From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Nov 06 15:59:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83501 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2007 23:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2007 23:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.170) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2007 23:59:26 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d29.17111022 (34988) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:59:22 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MC20 (webmail-mc20.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.97]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB011-88ac4730ffda2b0; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:59:22 -0400 References: <7A6839576A0C418AAABE492919771D66@hank320a6cca48> <8C9EDFE48EACA3E-8C8-1118@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com> <001001c81ff3$ea855620$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> <010501c82000$c39d1680$d503fea9@stodd> <002701c820ce$bdd58ce0$d503fea9@stodd> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:59:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: <002701c820ce$bdd58ce0$d503fea9@stodd> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 31361-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MC20.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.97) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:59:22 -0500 Message-Id: <8C9EEE82FABE738-808-70DB@WEBMAIL-MC20.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.170.97 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=7eAwMm4wlCIraPsnIDEiWBvqXA9wlGFgXMEJzajKi7C6AHNBNPYROGs15Znl_oDd X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Before Class D FM licenses and equipment were so readily available, many colleges developed Part 15 Carrier Current AM to an art form.? Much of the equipment was homebrew, but there was on commercial company, the Lower Power Broadcast Company or LPB, Inc.? I knew of installations that ran 50 watts. A coupler was necessary for each distribution transformer.? Mike -----Original Message----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 5:41 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help We'll have to figure some way of coupling it to the power lines as a carrier current setup. You could jack the power up to several watts as long as it didn't carry too far off the apartment complex property or away from the power lines. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith I am in a apartment building so can't put it out doors. thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net If you want any kind of range it'll have to be outdoors, which, of course will require a much more substantial cabinet Scott Todd --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Nov 06 16:44:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13725 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2007 00:44:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2007 00:44:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2007 00:44:35 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.121] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071106184405000786100003> for ; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:44:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006e01c820d7$80663ae0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <7A6839576A0C418AAABE492919771D66@hank320a6cca48> <8C9EDFE48EACA3E-8C8-1118@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com> <001001c81ff3$ea855620$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> <010501c82000$c39d1680$d503fea9@stodd> <002701c820ce$bdd58ce0$d503fea9@stodd> <8C9EEE82FABE738-808-70DB@WEBMAIL-MC20.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:44:05 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=8FkmVD6FzbOjr47oaGDqAAN8Iafasb9JWTEk0OrN57ff9pJTqYKU X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LPB is pretty much defunct, nowadays. As to your question, yes, you need another transmitter beyond each transformer, though I know of one installation in Maine which used a 250W Raytheon transmitter and a power splitter and ran a coax to each of the dorms instead. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 6:00 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help Before Class D FM licenses and equipment were so readily available, many colleges developed Part 15 Carrier Current AM to an art form.? Much of the equipment was homebrew, but there was on commercial company, the Lower Power Broadcast Company or LPB, Inc.? I knew of installations that ran 50 watts. A coupler was necessary for each distribution transformer.? Mike -----Original Message----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 5:41 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help We'll have to figure some way of coupling it to the power lines as a carrier current setup. You could jack the power up to several watts as long as it didn't carry too far off the apartment complex property or away from the power lines. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith I am in a apartment building so can't put it out doors. thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net If you want any kind of range it'll have to be outdoors, which, of course will require a much more substantial cabinet Scott Todd --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1112 - Release Date: 11/5/07 7:11 PM --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Nov 06 18:37:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 680 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2007 02:37:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2007 02:37:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2007 02:37:10 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d57.e350026 (39952) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:36:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:36:45 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=hG4XeNg6incJL4xxDB_QzEsKpkOvtm7thfGDka-2oZPwTiF3rCPIQ9fdgmCmK1bk X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, I remember the Intercollegiate Broadcast System (IBS) and LPB, Inc. Ludwell Sibley went on to bigger, or at least higher powered, endeavors. A typical carrier current system has a modest power transmitter (25W) that connected to splitter (toriod transformers) that connected to couplers at the transformer secondaries, usually 3-phase WYE connected. The problem which plagued many carrier current systems was hum. Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Tue Nov 06 21:39:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11348 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2007 05:39:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2007 05:39:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2007 05:39:41 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bf7.1e7a0fb6 (34953) for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:39:37 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-49-123.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.49.123]) by cia-da06.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA062-888947314f97194; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:39:37 -0500 Message-ID: <003301c82100$af247da0$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <104790.99055.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:40:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.49.123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Power X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=0ogfwS5mDCkvxCrBrV7xZ2M1cudve_FTD_4i_VxooDP9x_1irBeY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit where can you get these from? sorry I am behind on email had a windows crash and had to wait until I could get a sighted neighbor to help me reinstall. anyways am back online and will be responding to emails Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:41 AM Subject: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Power If I'm not mistaken, there is a 9volt battery clip that mates up with a similar connector on the top of a long plastic battery holder that holds 6 AA batteries. You'll likely want to use an old linear DC adapter (heavy wall wart) as most of the new small lightweight power supplies are switching power supplies with tons of RF noise on them an unsuitable for RF use. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Tue Nov 06 21:41:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58958 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2007 05:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2007 05:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2007 05:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d22.105d7ea6 (34957) for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:41:52 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-49-123.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.49.123]) by cia-da06.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA066-888d4731501e79; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:41:51 -0400 Message-ID: <004a01c82101$01149870$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <533340.2692.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:42:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.49.123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=TgwNUBdSxejCpBFw8WlXFokEJQWvsAfemJyiD5CSz8q6W-YtimYf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 10 mw? thaught these were 100 mw. ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 7:21 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Do you know how much current it draws and if there > is a 5V regulator onboard?? > Mike Mine is an earlier 10mw version. As for the regulator, Chris would have to answer that. I can not cover my yard on 1000 with mine at night. I need at least a watt, and I don't have any neighbors within half a mile. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Tue Nov 06 21:55:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68419 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2007 05:55:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2007 05:55:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2007 05:55:37 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d5b.12c29c9e (34979) for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:55:30 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-49-123.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.49.123]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA084-88a34731534f5a; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:55:29 -0500 Message-ID: <007901c82102$eda824d0$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <7A6839576A0C418AAABE492919771D66@hank320a6cca48> <8C9EDFE48EACA3E-8C8-1118@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com> <8C9EE1140C571AA-41C-2089@Webmail-mg21.sysops.aol.com> <888CD436981241ECAFA67606C84C8818@hank320a6cca48> <8C9EED56BD448A2-C24-693B@mblk-d46.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:56:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.49.123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=3wfMPYe20nikW9x8i0-BS8hmhCJ0OzXI7wmXahGZC5LKVK3fp_jN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is this one of the newer boards with full 100 mw output? also what about the power suply? let me know and I can get back to you. thanks hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:45 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help Hank, ? Chris tells me he has one left with the clear plastic enclosure for an extra $25.? The 1610 khz crystal is an extra $7.? Interested?? Left me know and I can changed the order.? Makes the total $82 plus shipping. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 4:39 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help can you test the frequency response and other stuff when you test it. as far as the case I am unable to see the case on the website. hopefully some one can help us out or chris can suggest something. also can you make sure when testing there is no hum in the power supply? I heard that some power supplies are known for causing alot of hum and other stuff in the carier. thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:20 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help I live in St. Louis, MO.? I'm afraid I don't have any recording equipment that would do it justice.? The Roadmaster has its factory Concert II sound system with AM Stereo radio.? My audio recording equipment, as with a microphone, is limited to a mono Sony note taking microcassette unit that runs at 15/16 ips.??Trust me, you wouldn't like the quality of the recording. I am an engineering and do have test equipment.? I don't if its output is enough for the AM Detector on my distortion test set.? However, I can?do trap pattern tests for?modulation capability, linearity, frequency response, and noise on with my o'scope if you like. By the way, I placed the order for a board with a 1610 crystal. Here are some other?Part 15?AM transmitters which might?provide some idea as to an enclosure.? http?://www.ontheair3.com/#bc-100 Incidentally, I looked at tube version.? Personally, I?don't believe the claimed specifications, at least for the tube unit. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 2:51 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help my private email is ke7ief@aol.com awesome out of curiousity can you send me a recording of what your am stereo sounds like using it? also in in olympia wa where abouts you located at? thanks this is greatly appreciated Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:05 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help Will do.? I reached Chris via eBay.? I put in a question about an enclosure as well.? It has a standard 9-volt transistor radio battery clip, but the text reads 8-AA cells.? Just as a guess, it probably has a 5-volt regulator.? I can get a plug-in wall adaptor at either Digikey or Radio Shack. Enclosure suggestions from the forum would be appreciated. My Roadmaster has a AM Stereo radio that will tune 1610 so I can check it out before I send it. Glad to help. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:48 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help cool. can you see how much a power suply would be as well? I emailed him but am unsure if it reached him aol has been a bit flaky as of late. but yes lets go head and order up the board with 1610 frequency cristle for a extra 7 dollars plus what ever the ppo suply would be as far as enclosers any one have any ideas? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help In a message dated 11/5/07 7:24:23 AM Central Standard Time, dwtpa97@verizon.net writes: > I don't know anything about the AMT-3000, but I think the one on eBay is > hand-built by Chris Cuff, a long time am stereo advocate. I think you're right, Dick. I don't think the eBay offering is an AMT-3000. Maybe Chris has some ideas about an enclosure. Or perhaps someone else on the forum. I am an engineer who designed things for the military. My designs tend to be robust, but estetically lacking. I'm sure Hank doesn't want something EMP-hardened, armored, and on tracks. That's the military's idea of a "portable enclosure". The only egonomic definition of "portable" the Army seemed to have was the equipment must have handles. On another note, goods news, Hank. He has a 1610 khz crystal for an extra $7 or $8 bucks. Let me know and I will order on of his boards for you. You can reimburse me when I get it put in an enclosure and you receive it. Mike Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. 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You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Tue Nov 06 21:57:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66423 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2007 05:57:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2007 05:57:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2007 05:57:48 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c75.1d2d985e (34968) for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:57:31 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-49-123.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.49.123]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA075-8898473153c837d; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:57:29 -0400 Message-ID: <008a01c82103$37c0cd60$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <7A6839576A0C418AAABE492919771D66@hank320a6cca48> <8C9EDFE48EACA3E-8C8-1118@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com> <001001c81ff3$ea855620$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> <010501c82000$c39d1680$d503fea9@stodd> <002701c820ce$bdd58ce0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:58:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.49.123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=pfEFUZFkLXUzjTutRp4ISgSo9ppQYtZKFPrlbLHt97vwvqT3jmYG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit interest idea any ways to get that working? didn't know you could do that one. thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:41 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help We'll have to figure some way of coupling it to the power lines as a carrier current setup. You could jack the power up to several watts as long as it didn't carry too far off the apartment complex property or away from the power lines. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith I am in a apartment building so can't put it out doors. thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net If you want any kind of range it'll have to be outdoors, which, of course will require a much more substantial cabinet Scott Todd --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Tue Nov 06 21:58:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85955 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2007 05:58:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2007 05:58:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2007 05:58:44 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c65.2044e7c2 (34964) for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:58:24 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-49-123.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.49.123]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA071-8894473153fe3a2; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:58:23 -0500 Message-ID: <009301c82103$595154e0$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <7A6839576A0C418AAABE492919771D66@hank320a6cca48> <8C9EDFE48EACA3E-8C8-1118@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com> <001001c81ff3$ea855620$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> <010501c82000$c39d1680$d503fea9@stodd> <002701c820ce$bdd58ce0$d503fea9@stodd> <8C9EEE82FABE738-808-70DB@WEBMAIL-MC20.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:59:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.49.123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=flnYFI0340km2ky8PTlYK30-hmor378QLXjP_CjGWvOlwiocN__3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit now you have to have paper work to get the carier currents transmitters unless there home brued. ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help Before Class D FM licenses and equipment were so readily available, many colleges developed Part 15 Carrier Current AM to an art form.? Much of the equipment was homebrew, but there was on commercial company, the Lower Power Broadcast Company or LPB, Inc.? I knew of installations that ran 50 watts. A coupler was necessary for each distribution transformer.? Mike -----Original Message----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 5:41 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help We'll have to figure some way of coupling it to the power lines as a carrier current setup. You could jack the power up to several watts as long as it didn't carry too far off the apartment complex property or away from the power lines. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith I am in a apartment building so can't put it out doors. thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net If you want any kind of range it'll have to be outdoors, which, of course will require a much more substantial cabinet Scott Todd --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 07 07:53:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13869 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2007 15:53:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2007 15:53:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2007 15:53:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54606 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Nov 2007 15:53:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Lj3I27gVM1lS3b2OTTeQBFxaNskgmJ5fyOpIbWvjHsCo3irxbGNRa22I_FfbmvdaVZzUEtzXdw-- X-Received: from [209.213.18.8] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:53:56 PST Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:53:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004a01c82101$01149870$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <604319.54243.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=a6VVC0Ma4lgUY2cH2PKiZEKv2P1mvT8AP86CuOk9AZ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- hank smith wrote: > 10 mw? > thought these were 100 mw. The earlier ones are 10 milliwatts, yes 10. I need to get the modification for the full power, though, that may not help me an awful lot. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 07 07:55:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22467 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2007 15:55:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2007 15:55:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.164) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2007 15:55:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4282 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Nov 2007 15:55:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1CMYJ7YVM1lIcciR1PLPSChlKiuC_OLpF7jZNvWMEmFRxIDAKpvrsMV9PcN6RQVHg0NrNReaQg-- X-Received: from [209.213.18.8] by web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:55:40 PST Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:55:40 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008a01c82103$37c0cd60$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <526917.4231.qm@web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=skGTmxHsU_RsStaYb6FIXUdFVD-iJfoIsB_AUZuM8N0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- hank smith wrote: > interest idea any ways to get that working? > didn't know you could do that one. > thanks > Hank I don't think 100 milliwatts is enough power for carrier current. By the way, Hank, what are you planning to use yours for/ Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Nov 07 09:17:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57633 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2007 17:17:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2007 17:17:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2007 17:17:00 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.184] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071107111627000656500003> for ; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:16:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006d01c82162$24161e00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <104790.99055.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003301c82100$af247da0$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:16:27 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Power X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=g797H6LM0xFz53MvmxOp6hCdZROpaBrg8xJcY0sj0ivCgNwP32sP X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think they're available new at DigiKey or Mouser. If not, you could build one easily enough. Be forewarned that they're not well regulated, so you might want to mount a 7809 voltage regulator with a heatsink below the circuit board. If the wall wart is rated at 9V @ 200mA, it'll be higher than that when connected to the transmitter since it draws much less than that. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:39 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Power where can you get these from? sorry I am behind on email had a windows crash and had to wait until I could get a sighted neighbor to help me reinstall. anyways am back online and will be responding to emails Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:41 AM Subject: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Power If I'm not mistaken, there is a 9volt battery clip that mates up with a similar connector on the top of a long plastic battery holder that holds 6 AA batteries. You'll likely want to use an old linear DC adapter (heavy wall wart) as most of the new small lightweight power supplies are switching power supplies with tons of RF noise on them an unsuitable for RF use. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1112 - Release Date: 11/5/07 7:11 PM --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Wed Nov 07 12:06:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82932 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2007 20:06:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2007 20:06:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2007 20:06:12 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c3a.2211b245 (60441) for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:06:08 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-49-123.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.49.123]) by ciaaol-d03.mail.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD032-ec1947321aae5d; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:06:07 -0400 Message-ID: <003a01c82179$aeb53610$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <526917.4231.qm@web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:06:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.49.123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=CpINgpZW1w1LtJaLgf2I0RH140EGBJh7Ce_XTjJe7X-hf0FrtiTt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit part 15 100 mw station to start as well as on the internet, then later on try to go carier current, or sink 3 transmitters up later on and extent the range that way. start out small go big. am on a fixed income as well. so have to do it this way. thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 7:55 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} need help --- hank smith wrote: > interest idea any ways to get that working? > didn't know you could do that one. > thanks > Hank I don't think 100 milliwatts is enough power for carrier current. By the way, Hank, what are you planning to use yours for/ Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Nov 07 17:32:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91269 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2007 01:32:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2007 01:32:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.207) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2007 01:32:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 77075 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Nov 2007 01:32:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iBvOTAUVM1lDknVrIHs2xviJn_Poz4aIYY0Q1kAQOdBjnAgMssTPGx.atj_jfHYQiA-- X-Received: from [24.192.186.246] by web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:32:24 PST Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:32:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006d01c82162$24161e00$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <80559.76613.qm@web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Power X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=AXHh-u5uwrUXSSP2hEhh7ggQiEBAQ2JtmsaatoLIy8Mq0g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Hi, all! For what it's worth, the supply voltage on the Alfredo Lite xmtr. seems to vary with the vintage. Mine came with two 4-AA holders, and a 12 V. wall wart! (Bought it about five years ago, from Chris Cuff, but don't hold me to that...could have been 6!) So far, no problems with it, still going strong and sounding great. There IS a regulator on the bottom of the PCB, but not sure what it is. Regards, George --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > I think they're available new at DigiKey or Mouser. > If not, you could build one easily enough. Be > forewarned that they're not well regulated, so you > might want to mount a 7809 voltage regulator with a > heatsink below the circuit board. If the wall wart > is rated at 9V @ 200mA, it'll be higher than that > when connected to the transmitter since it draws > much less than that. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: hank smith > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:39 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Power > > > where can you get these from? > sorry I am behind on email had a windows crash and > had to wait until I could get a sighted neighbor to > help me reinstall. > anyways am back online and will be responding to > emails > Hank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John P. > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:41 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Power > > If I'm not mistaken, there is a 9volt battery clip > that mates up with a > similar connector on the top of a long plastic > battery holder that > holds 6 AA batteries. > > You'll likely want to use an old linear DC adapter > (heavy wall wart) as > most of the new small lightweight power supplies > are switching power > supplies with tons of RF noise on them an > unsuitable for RF use. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1112 > - Release Date: 11/5/07 7:11 PM > > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 07 19:30:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54413 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2007 03:30:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2007 03:30:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp120.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.93) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2007 03:30:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 79248 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2007 03:30:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO z4x8l4) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.26.53.159 with login) by smtp120.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2007 03:30:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iRokXBYVM1nIBvhKFnV7unyR72.aEac8NGnpgYTPux2MS1nQDPzQ5uVMLBJ3OgzCYkfI8URKuA-- Message-ID: <000e01c821b8$09fe02c0$20a4fea9@z4x8l4> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "Jim Smith" Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 19:32:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: KFBK AM HD 1530 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=M1tO71DK5AmqED012fj4LgqvCIa1FFcGbfBRjmqeF2v2qiEiEH0FWz_hpMEM2Eqr1CfES_Fv X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang To who wants to know KFBK AM HD 1530 is back on tonight. So good luck DXing. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 07 19:40:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40122 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2007 03:40:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2007 03:40:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp121.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.94) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2007 03:40:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 64624 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2007 03:40:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO z4x8l4) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.26.53.159 with login) by smtp121.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2007 03:40:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4w1UIb4VM1kgRXyMjOCL_elN66ucE7g.B4DreG0h8gAvbof9lvP48YOUVTasxiQdFCMaHNbAbg-- Message-ID: <000a01c821b9$69f52900$20a4fea9@z4x8l4> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "Jim Smith" Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 19:42:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Chris Cuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=aWpJtR0QUE6hUHP85KZq2jfs1oOU0mFVIhKgMFGTzliIAQO3VYVk_AG1uLqHFnOifPtvtFkr X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I also would love to get a hold of Chris Cuff to but he is a hard man to get in contact with. I want him to repair and update my AL to 100mw and maybe a new freq. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Wed Nov 07 20:11:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90394 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2007 04:11:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2007 04:11:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2007 04:11:19 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c6e.1c63c97a (37185) for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:10:45 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-49-123.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.49.123]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA056-914147328c4232a; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:10:43 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c821bd$56d71190$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <000e01c821b8$09fe02c0$20a4fea9@z4x8l4> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:10:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.49.123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KFBK AM HD 1530 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=1eZ7FKWQhPX1Y_tnhOf8_Rp12D1sHzB7u2jIfe1Ya3nsJpB4ebCT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit was it down/? or is the hd back on? if the hd is back on I will give it a shot can some one tell me? ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net To: am stereo forum Cc: Jim Smith Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 7:32 PM Subject: {AMSF} KFBK AM HD 1530 Hi Gang To who wants to know KFBK AM HD 1530 is back on tonight. So good luck DXing. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Nov 07 20:49:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15753 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2007 04:49:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2007 04:49:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2007 04:49:17 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c54.1d770a40 (48624) for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:48:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:48:55 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Lztzo1pB4DeT_RwzqzM-FOFF15XFb_pgxufrWdYKfa1i2MVp4QL1r5lwvhf2KW6g X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try going to ebay Item Number 320178338780 and use Ask Seller a Question. I've gotten good responses. Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 07 21:11:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93609 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2007 05:11:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2007 05:11:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.243) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2007 05:11:44 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2007 05:11:44 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2007 05:11:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2007 05:11:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:11:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301c821bd$56d71190$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.8.104.73 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KFBK AM HD 1530 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=ScQGve41OPA9XJneaOrMihqnGWmpEg5V9J_FQQT2kvVNZKRKxcl8848ajzFI35PbIOQrnc7g X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > was it down/? > or is the hd back on? if the hd is back on I will give it a shot=20 can some one tell me? > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jimsmith95663@...=20 > To: am stereo forum=20 > Cc: Jim Smith=20 > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 7:32 PM > Subject: {AMSF} KFBK AM HD 1530 >=20 >=20 > Hi Gang To who wants to know KFBK AM HD 1530 is back on tonight.=20 So good luck DXing. Jim S >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Hank KFBK AM 1530 has had there HD AM off for a wile now and I=20 had just turned to them this after noon and tonight and there back=20 on. I don't know when they went back on . Good luck DXing them and=20 let us know how thay sound in KOMO AM 1000 country. KOMO is a=20 nightly station for me neer Sacramento Ca. Jim S From ke7ief@aol.com Wed Nov 07 22:27:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92475 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2007 06:27:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2007 06:27:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2007 06:27:29 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c8f.19a06883 (37189) for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 01:27:16 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-49-123.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.49.123]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA057-91454732ac431db; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 01:27:16 -0400 Message-ID: <001701c821d0$68297240$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:27:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.49.123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KFBK AM HD 1530 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=drntiFi-hLJQB7s2FoTQZNQHMRFEtNPxplcPtcx7SXpmC5ptENY7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit komo isn't hd all most had kfbk in hd am thinking about getting a turk am antanna what your thaughts? ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:11 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: KFBK AM HD 1530 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > was it down/? > or is the hd back on? if the hd is back on I will give it a shot can some one tell me? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jimsmith95663@... > To: am stereo forum > Cc: Jim Smith > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 7:32 PM > Subject: {AMSF} KFBK AM HD 1530 > > > Hi Gang To who wants to know KFBK AM HD 1530 is back on tonight. So good luck DXing. Jim S > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Hank KFBK AM 1530 has had there HD AM off for a wile now and I had just turned to them this after noon and tonight and there back on. I don't know when they went back on . Good luck DXing them and let us know how thay sound in KOMO AM 1000 country. KOMO is a nightly station for me neer Sacramento Ca. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Nov 08 16:18:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34068 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2007 00:18:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2007 00:18:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2007 00:18:53 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.233] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071108181832001515600003> for ; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:18:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003701c82266$476ea020$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <80559.76613.qm@web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:18:32 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Power X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Y8zDMOgqeLT-ymX-ZQ5dLFMX43X_04JKEuOHENMRsT3ZEJfPRy-2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mine has a small one on top- a 78L05, but I don't think it powers the whole board. I'd have to dig out the schematics but I think it's only for or both of the oscillators. My A-L is one of the earliest ones and has 6 AA batteries. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell For what it's worth, the supply voltage on the Alfredo Lite xmtr. seems to vary with the vintage. Mine came with two 4-AA holders, and a 12 V. wall wart! (Bought it about five years ago, from Chris Cuff, but don't hold me to that...could have been 6!) So far, no problems with it, still going strong and sounding great. There IS a regulator on the bottom of the PCB, but not sure what it is. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Nov 09 17:26:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6830 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2007 01:26:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2007 01:26:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.134) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2007 01:26:19 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2007 01:26:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2007 01:26:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2007 01:26:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:26:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003701c82266$476ea020$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.101.103 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Power X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=mE6uxiezhzrgfnweneQ_F-YiIGmRq9wmuG5N6l2t_dpGt4aD5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics For a long time, I had the second "Alfredo Lite" that Chris ever=20 built, and it came with a 9V battery clip. It ran best when powered=20 by a regulated 9VDC power supply. A typical 9VDC "wall wart"=20 transformer is no good, because the Alfredo Lite has such a low=20 current draw that a 9VDC wall wart will typically put out 12-13VDC,=20 and Chris made it clear that at least on the original Alfredo Lite=20 design, 9 volts was as much as some of the ICs could handle. If you wanted more RF power out, you could install higher-power final=20 output transistors, cut the 9VDC circuit trace to them, and feed the=20 output section with a separate higher-voltage supply, up to 15VDC or=20 whatever the RF transistors could handle (while keeping the rest of=20 the board at 9 volts max). From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 09 20:53:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28057 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2007 04:53:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2007 04:53:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.146) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2007 04:53:40 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2007 04:53:40 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2007 04:53:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2007 04:53:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 04:53:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001701c821d0$68297240$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.19.156.46 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KFBK AM HD 1530 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=vXV4bf9zcjERltxA41Gx0s8b7-9P4QKLSFRnPVV18U5OCHJcr1fwFSEGMM37bq9NzJLqb6DR X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > komo isn't hd > all most had kfbk in hd > am thinking about getting a turk am antanna what your thaughts? > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jim smith=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:11 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: KFBK AM HD 1530 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" =20 wrote: > > > > was it down/? > > or is the hd back on? if the hd is back on I will give it a=20 shot=20 > can some one tell me? > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: jimsmith95663@=20 > > To: am stereo forum=20 > > Cc: Jim Smith=20 > > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 7:32 PM > > Subject: {AMSF} KFBK AM HD 1530 > >=20 > >=20 > > Hi Gang To who wants to know KFBK AM HD 1530 is back on=20 tonight.=20 > So good luck DXing. Jim S > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Hank KFBK AM 1530 has had there HD AM off for a wile now and I=20 > had just turned to them this after noon and tonight and there=20 back=20 > on. I don't know when they went back on . Good luck DXing them=20 and=20 > let us know how thay sound in KOMO AM 1000 country. KOMO is a=20 > nightly station for me neer Sacramento Ca. Jim S >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Hank I have herd from the gang that the Turk is a good ant.. Yes=20 i know KOMO AM 1000 is analog only. If KOMO was HD it would had been=20 herable to listen to during the ice storms last winter. Jim Smith From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Nov 12 12:27:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73298 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2007 20:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2007 20:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2007 20:27:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4717 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Nov 2007 20:27:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HKmg2XEVM1lafR436JpyWRk52vu2qViubwB5e.md4hePVIDw584bOjPaQAUC4WrhsojBfoiu.9JeJLyOLG5AduGjKXWf0LekN3CQ8kQt0I2_SbgrkldffAr9lg-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:27:37 PST Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:27:37 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <727014.3305.qm@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: C-Quam has a Wikipedia article X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=8mfgspHR-CbqfYFqgjolawsNzfVMdGCbfQ5kHvHSCFzr2tEnSURajJg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Bill Norman - you might want to go to the Wikipedia website for C-QUAM and see if you can add a link to your station, as it is listed there. Likewise, it might be worth listing the HD tuners that decode CQUAM. It appears to have been edited by Leonard Kahn as one time as it lists many issues with CQuam that were pretty much corrected by the time the 3rd generation Motorola chips came out. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Nov 16 20:35:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47819 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2007 04:35:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2007 04:35:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2007 04:35:06 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cd0.1eea66f8 (49389) for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:35:03 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-38-75.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.38.75]) by ciaaol-d07.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD075-c0ed473e6f751df; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:35:02 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c828d3$38266530$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:35:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.38.75 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: am stereo transmitter help. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=WI7_dd3OWSaCdts-_1-JI8nbg3Lq7fBVEm3kVg2yaykhHzFmJjUa hello recieved my am stereo transmitter prebuilt and in case with power suply. am only getting 1 to 2 feet at best with this transmitter, and it is his latest board. it has 2 antannas one on each side. there any way to hook up my rca antanna on the out site of my apartment? its strung up on my balcany I was getting 1.1 miles on my sstran I should getting that if not more on this transmitter with the rca antanna. anyways your help is greatly appreciated. Hank From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 16 22:13:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 148 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2007 06:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2007 06:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.212) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2007 06:13:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 92557 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2007 06:13:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.20.188.223 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2007 06:13:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Pn8f5wcVM1lFJYawqutIcQdwxLsmwHMLzSiOhHMCKD7jQ5mbMiGwiaNHSZYMmpKYTYCuss1FIw-- Message-ID: <000a01c828e1$09c02880$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:13:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=OieRUUBv0fANj0QdjU1EfD6WNPYCX_WRhkIet4GfX5eYy4B4gl3g98HUj_VTQoDfrfXkuHOc X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang and Hank What Chris Cuff told me what to do with the AL is to make a loading coil and find out what kind fixed cap for it. The green wire is for the gound water pipe or center scrue on a plug outlet the blue wire is for the loading coil and ant. If you did not get instrutions from Chris you need to get in contact with him to fine out what to do in detale. I have has mailing now if you want get in contact with him so e mail me to get it. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Nov 16 22:22:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48159 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2007 06:22:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2007 06:22:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2007 06:22:16 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d55.1a0fc6d5 (34977) for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:22:13 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-38-75.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.38.75]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA082-88a1473e889348; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:22:12 -0500 Message-ID: <002801c828e2$30433550$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <000a01c828e1$09c02880$20a4fea9@jimsmith> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:22:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.38.75 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=HjRDuIMroQVE-sw3ATcnyA6wqlD6tiA-goQrJfkRhslnnDSYHhSW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello one problem is I can't see the color so I don't know what is what and isn't there a way I can get the rca antanna working with this? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net To: am stereo forum Cc: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:13 PM Subject: {AMSF} Al Lite Hi Gang and Hank What Chris Cuff told me what to do with the AL is to make a loading coil and find out what kind fixed cap for it. The green wire is for the gound water pipe or center scrue on a plug outlet the blue wire is for the loading coil and ant. If you did not get instrutions from Chris you need to get in contact with him to fine out what to do in detale. I have has mailing now if you want get in contact with him so e mail me to get it. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Nov 16 22:40:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31342 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2007 06:40:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2007 06:40:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2007 06:40:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bd7.1eed90a7 (29672) for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:40:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:40:38 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=L-rkFbB9g17dxbZ8pWOCn4a4MEyWM6Yjiy2EjeKv1URZyL76PEAWia6wt8wOHDGg X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hank, You need a 1610 khz antenna hundreds of feet in height with a ground counterpoise. However that is neither practical nor legal. You are limited to 10 feet. I would have thought the board would have a tuning mechanism to accommodate the 10 ft. antenna is was made to use. The 10 ft. length is so short compared to the wavelength, is almost solely reactive, capacitive to be exact, with a very low real resistance. A loading coil is needed to cancel the reactance. However was the unit built to drive the kind of radiative resistance a 10 ft. length of wire has at broadcast band wavelengths? If so, it would almost have to have some means of tuning the capacitive reactance out as well. I bought one myself. I suppose I need to take it out of box and power it up. Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Nov 16 22:43:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16104 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2007 06:43:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2007 06:43:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.170) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2007 06:43:56 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d5b.13fd99b0 (37255) for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:43:54 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-38-75.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.38.75]) by cia-ma07.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA075-9187473e8da8378; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:43:53 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c828e5$37a76c00$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:43:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.38.75 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=NW9Y5CKcsYuVnMm0IuzQRBb931Nw6IRl_X8mewDbXTiEUjVFACc4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit let me know I have 10 feet of wire its out side I just need it hooked up via a rca hook up I am aware of the legal limits etc. let me know if this has a way to tune it up. on my sstran I had to have some one assist me in tune ing that up for the antanna I am using currently. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:40 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al Lite Hank, You need a 1610 khz antenna hundreds of feet in height with a ground counterpoise. However that is neither practical nor legal. You are limited to 10 feet. I would have thought the board would have a tuning mechanism to accommodate the 10 ft. antenna is was made to use. The 10 ft. length is so short compared to the wavelength, is almost solely reactive, capacitive to be exact, with a very low real resistance. A loading coil is needed to cancel the reactance. However was the unit built to drive the kind of radiative resistance a 10 ft. length of wire has at broadcast band wavelengths? If so, it would almost have to have some means of tuning the capacitive reactance out as well. I bought one myself. I suppose I need to take it out of box and power it up. Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 16 22:45:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35510 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2007 06:45:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2007 06:45:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.177) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2007 06:45:47 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2007 06:45:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2007 06:45:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2007 06:45:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:45:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002801c828e2$30433550$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.20.188.223 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=5T79a7_4sUVJZt_rBU-aC75hbwSFypf_58jMtFQQM5is5rJjuobhSPuQ47S4k_oRlw_bvV-Z X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > Hello one problem is I can't see the color so I don't know what is=20 what and isn't there a way I can get the rca antanna working with=20 this? > thanks > Hank > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jimsmith95663@...=20 > To: am stereo forum=20 > Cc: jimsmith95663@...=20 > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:13 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Al Lite >=20 >=20 > Hi Gang and Hank What Chris Cuff told me what to do with the AL=20 is to make a loading coil and find out what kind fixed cap for it.=20 The green wire is for the gound water pipe or center scrue on a plug=20 outlet the blue wire is for the loading coil and ant. If you did not=20 get instrutions from Chris you need to get in contact with him to=20 fine out what to do in detale. I have has mailing now if you want get=20 in contact with him so e mail me to get it. Jim S >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Hank Can have a frend see the wires for you and mark them for you?=20 You still need to make a loading coil for it to work with any=20 distance. I herd from some ome the ant needs to be 10ft 9in and=20 the for best rezules is to have the TX just under the ant. Jim s From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Nov 16 23:01:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83312 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2007 07:01:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2007 07:01:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2007 07:01:26 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d49.16dcf631 (37190) for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:01:21 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-38-75.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.38.75]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA058-9146473e91bf34c; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:01:20 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c828e7$a824a770$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:01:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.38.75 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=SIoBPOJVxSrjLW-O2HEjAXs-yg9iWDVl0Xp5baUmAhADmpPuVO06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I found the grounding wire the signal got stronger I grounded it to my audio board am unsure on the hole coil thing I just know what I had on my amt 3000 worked nicely am unsure if that had a coil or not I had that built for me. anyways am unsure thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:45 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > Hello one problem is I can't see the color so I don't know what is what and isn't there a way I can get the rca antanna working with this? > thanks > Hank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jimsmith95663@... > To: am stereo forum > Cc: jimsmith95663@... > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:13 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Al Lite > > > Hi Gang and Hank What Chris Cuff told me what to do with the AL is to make a loading coil and find out what kind fixed cap for it. The green wire is for the gound water pipe or center scrue on a plug outlet the blue wire is for the loading coil and ant. If you did not get instrutions from Chris you need to get in contact with him to fine out what to do in detale. I have has mailing now if you want get in contact with him so e mail me to get it. Jim S > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Hank Can have a frend see the wires for you and mark them for you? You still need to make a loading coil for it to work with any distance. I herd from some ome the ant needs to be 10ft 9in and the for best rezules is to have the TX just under the ant. Jim s [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 17 00:27:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25750 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2007 08:27:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2007 08:27:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2007 08:27:01 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c3c.2413c10e (30738) for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:26:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:26:51 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=F3XQrHwTqVDUcUG8FwUZrHFSpPWn6-YsnWBBsvNFjyWOAsOq_AZLcVb6kOcXsG_s X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I unpacked the board. Had to make a run to Walgreen's to get a 9V battery for it. For what it's worth: 1. Hank, the Antenna connection is white, and with the RCA jacks pointing toward you, it's located on your left at the rear of the board. The ground wire is black and on your right at the rear of the board. 2. I was so anxious to try it out, I powered it up right there on the Walgreen's parking lot. The big red LED on the right lit up as did a tiny one at the left rear corner of the board which I assume to the output circuit. I didn't have anything to drive it with. I just want to listen to carrier and see that the car radio detected the stereo pilot tone. 3. From the front seat, I got nanda. I wrapped the insulated antenna wire three or four times around the car antenna mast. I got nothing except WFAN which is 800 miles away. I can only concude the board isn't working. By whay of comment, the board is heavily populated with electrolytic capacitors. Why, I am not sure. It also doesn't seem to have a single inductive component which is strange if not impossible. I know it's possible to made a 1610 khz ten foot antenna. That's what police cars used in 30's. Mike Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Nov 17 07:45:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72445 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2007 15:45:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2007 15:45:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.164) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2007 15:45:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 256 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2007 15:45:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HnekveQVM1mperBJ.6YMbW3ALlXehvY1BOJBep6_BqOWgNYkYD_E6dhcol7lncEawTYFwVlFlDLzdmAWxOYSTtCQPvau_qgOF6Dz6M5oKFtRhQc- X-Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 07:45:19 PST Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 07:45:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <426483.94982.qm@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=kAGGpUkIV0_f5OyrbKAuEqHWgZN4Lrk8jIuxngxaO4_xROJVehVBIqc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio IF you have a 'light' illuminated at the output, you have an antenna problem or short! Check your antenna connection again. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 17 09:32:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62619 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2007 17:32:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2007 17:32:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2007 17:32:04 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bf5.223d243b (37047) for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:31:53 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from MBLK-M22 (mblk-m22.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.66]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB035-90b7473f2589243; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:31:53 -0500 References: <426483.94982.qm@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:31:53 -0500 In-Reply-To: <426483.94982.qm@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 31361-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.66) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:31:53 -0500 Message-Id: <8C9F756E1257FF6-754-304A@MBLK-M22.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.66 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=_Yzzproq23THtDaEcErOAirKmbUgpmf7TlXHGm2TzNaV824hai51BGxIDdfT_f7G X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What kind of load does it take?? I have?50 or 75 ohm dummy loads.? The 50 ohm load I have is good for?a full gallon (literally).? The 75 is good for a few watts.? Either should be adequate. I know there is no way it could put 100mW into just?ten feet of wire.? But I would have thought it would have put out enough to be detected by a sensitive radio at small distances.? If it has a VSWR protection circuit on the output it is far more sophisticated than I would have thought. I don't have a schematic but the workmanship and general layout of the board looks good.? I'm looking forward to getting it up and running. Mike -----Original Message----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 9:45 am Subject: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite IF you have a 'light' illuminated at the output, you have an antenna problem or short! Check your antenna connection again. __________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. 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You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 17 09:54:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63411 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2007 17:54:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2007 17:54:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2007 17:54:36 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c07.244211f9 (37055) for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:54:33 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from FWM-D36 (fwm-d36.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.12]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB041-90bf473f2ad99b; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:54:33 -0500 References: <000801c828e7$a824a770$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:54:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: <000801c828e7$a824a770$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 31361-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by FWM-D36.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.12) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:54:33 -0500 Message-Id: <8C9F75A0B5AD269-E1C-2460@FWM-D36.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.12 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=pXwU-oFGvmoum9ei9JIvP16sSbnItg-kdcsYw7DJHOkGzMy219g7ZGWlRvqlP8T4 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hank, Apparently, the 1610 khz frequency your chose is a popular one for Part 15 broadcasting.? There is actually a documented antenna for it: http://web.archive.org/web/19991114032732/http://www.onr.com/user/ct/1610khz.htm A word of caution.? While connecting something to a cold water pipe may be a good galvanic or safety ground, it's not?much of a ground, as in a vertical?antenna counterpoise. Maybe some kind of top and/or bottom loaded Franklin with the support mast as ground counterpoise might work.? I need to read the Part 15 regulations to be sure, but I thought the 10 feet also included the transmission line. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sat Nov 17 10:17:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77596 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2007 18:17:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2007 18:17:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2007 18:17:37 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d49.16e8ccb5 (52379) for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:17:21 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-38-75.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.38.75]) by ciaaol-m03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM039-cc9b473f302e103; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:17:19 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01c82946$16b4db20$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <000801c828e7$a824a770$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> <8C9F75A0B5AD269-E1C-2460@FWM-D36.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:17:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.38.75 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=poYLjppnQikSwJjCoqtkxkV-e365KANz40eqlVumPpDmQMjoyAxi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am using my audio mixer currently for the ground so my current antanna won't work I will need to get a coil based antanna there any instruction book for the transmitter? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite Hank, Apparently, the 1610 khz frequency your chose is a popular one for Part 15 broadcasting.? There is actually a documented antenna for it: http://web.archive.org/web/19991114032732/http://www.onr.com/user/ct/1610khz.htm A word of caution.? While connecting something to a cold water pipe may be a good galvanic or safety ground, it's not?much of a ground, as in a vertical?antenna counterpoise. Maybe some kind of top and/or bottom loaded Franklin with the support mast as ground counterpoise might work.? I need to read the Part 15 regulations to be sure, but I thought the 10 feet also included the transmission line. Mike __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 17 10:46:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87235 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2007 18:46:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2007 18:46:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2007 18:46:09 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c2e.2188e974 (37144) for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:45:46 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-de15 (webmail-de15.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.36]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA036-9118473f36da277; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:45:46 -0500 References: <000801c828e7$a824a770$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> <8C9F75A0B5AD269-E1C-2460@FWM-D36.sysops.aol.com> <002a01c82946$16b4db20$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:45:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: <002a01c82946$16b4db20$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 31361-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-de15.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.36) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:45:46 -0500 Message-Id: <8C9F76133771DD8-878-15C@webmail-de15.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.104.36 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=BGY9Pad_f-yeesT8YuPPhmGN2yLOqBuPTkTj25c198sjT1drg99XAeAV3QQlSj_k X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not that I know of.?The only thing I got was the single sheet that came with transmitter. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:17 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite I am using my audio mixer currently for the ground so my current antanna won't work I will need to get a coil based antanna there any instruction book for the transmitter? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite Hank, Apparently, the 1610 khz frequency your chose is a popular one for Part 15 broadcasting.? There is actually a documented antenna for it: http://web.archive.org/web/19991114032732/http://www.onr.com/user/ct/1610khz.htm A word of caution.? While connecting something to a cold water pipe may be a good galvanic or safety ground, it's not?much of a ground, as in a vertical?antenna counterpoise. Maybe some kind of top and/or bottom loaded Franklin with the support mast as ground counterpoise might work.? I need to read the Part 15 regulations to be sure, but I thought the 10 feet also included the transmission line. Mike __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Nov 17 16:17:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75080 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2007 00:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2007 00:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2007 00:17:52 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.247] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071117181724001710800003> for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:17:24 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006a01c82978$a8f67e80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000a01c828e1$09c02880$20a4fea9@jimsmith> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:17:24 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=VhpM0UUhf6o8yimkhFeaxOtjpc14J-mqHjzfnpy8r8_fAoPlofMA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That would explain why the SSTran does so much better- it does have loading coils on the board to make the antenna more efficient. I think perhaps the next step to boosting the A-L performance would be to copy the circuitry from the SSTran into the A-L output. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang and Hank What Chris Cuff told me what to do with the AL is to make a loading coil and find out what kind fixed cap for it --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Nov 17 16:22:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7941 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2007 00:22:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2007 00:22:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2007 00:22:44 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.247] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071117182219002434500003> for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:22:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00a701c82979$59290020$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000801c828e7$a824a770$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> <8C9F75A0B5AD269-E1C-2460@FWM-D36.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:22:19 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=q-6CF5cXjtsqQhIhy9qKz_FzlthOwPCGTQ2uVpx-kJQQEtzV-3Fw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That it does. And don't forget it also includes any ground lead, but unless you're getting way out and/or causing interference, it's unlikely the FCC will notice. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com I need to read the Part 15 regulations to be sure, but I thought the 10 feet also included the transmission line. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sat Nov 17 16:48:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7241 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2007 00:48:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2007 00:48:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.170) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2007 00:48:26 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ce0.1cc7cdde (45783) for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:48:20 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-38-75.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.38.75]) by ciaaol-m03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM035-b2d7473f8bd1388; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:48:18 -0500 Message-ID: <003a01c8297c$b5387a00$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <000a01c828e1$09c02880$20a4fea9@jimsmith> <006a01c82978$a8f67e80$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:48:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.38.75 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=y_yJ_7zuNMxWPoxv-gwp-rfHm82c4IJ0ELDzK5FKBMjK3hdkpmLj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is that even possible? ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:17 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al Lite That would explain why the SSTran does so much better- it does have loading coils on the board to make the antenna more efficient. I think perhaps the next step to boosting the A-L performance would be to copy the circuitry from the SSTran into the A-L output. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang and Hank What Chris Cuff told me what to do with the AL is to make a loading coil and find out what kind fixed cap for it --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Nov 17 17:47:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12143 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2007 01:47:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2007 01:47:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2007 01:47:02 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.247] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071117194626000142900003> for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:46:26 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00e801c82985$19b153a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000a01c828e1$09c02880$20a4fea9@jimsmith> <006a01c82978$a8f67e80$d503fea9@stodd> <003a01c8297c$b5387a00$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:46:26 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=1702vSa2HTsmSwnUj5eHiDngpnWrcKzFqFMU_FgPoOX1tzwA0DvO X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why not? The schematic for the SSTran is in the manual. All you'd have to do is get similar components and add it to the output of the A-L. You'd have to put them on an external board, but that shouldn't affect performance that greatly. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith is that even possible? ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net That would explain why the SSTran does so much better- it does have loading coils on the board to make the antenna more efficient. I think perhaps the next step to boosting the A-L performance would be to copy the circuitry from the SSTran into the A-L output. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sat Nov 17 18:16:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44440 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2007 02:16:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2007 02:16:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.171) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2007 02:16:21 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cfb.200bd551 (52325) for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:16:19 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-38-75.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.38.75]) by ciaaol-d03.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD037-cc65473fa06b122; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:16:16 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c82988$ff8de700$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <000a01c828e1$09c02880$20a4fea9@jimsmith> <006a01c82978$a8f67e80$d503fea9@stodd> <003a01c8297c$b5387a00$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> <00e801c82985$19b153a0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:16:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.38.75 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=ygT6em7ZHfq-XMe-m_9ttAKEj6JNvOxc1yM3yuxZx83HNPIqQmNO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how do you attach the external board to the transmitter? never used a set up like that ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al Lite Why not? The schematic for the SSTran is in the manual. All you'd have to do is get similar components and add it to the output of the A-L. You'd have to put them on an external board, but that shouldn't affect performance that greatly. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith is that even possible? ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net That would explain why the SSTran does so much better- it does have loading coils on the board to make the antenna more efficient. I think perhaps the next step to boosting the A-L performance would be to copy the circuitry from the SSTran into the A-L output. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 17 19:17:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99242 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2007 03:17:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2007 03:17:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.210) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2007 03:17:01 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n19.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2007 03:17:01 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2007 03:17:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2007 03:17:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:16:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c828e7$a824a770$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.144.189 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=o2JmM3zTmdJGXEdFcI3yB0b4OFeSbrlhO6f_8zKZ7LcfdM529r6ArqQTeTXVghS-q9DmCzxt X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > I think I found the grounding wire the signal got stronger I=20 grounded it to my audio board am unsure on the hole coil thing I just=20 know what I had on my amt 3000 worked nicely am unsure if that had a=20 coil or not I had that built for me. > anyways > am unsure > thanks > Hank > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jim smith=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:45 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" =20 wrote: > > > > Hello one problem is I can't see the color so I don't know what=20 is=20 > what and isn't there a way I can get the rca antanna working with=20 > this? > > thanks > > Hank > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: jimsmith95663@=20 > > To: am stereo forum=20 > > Cc: jimsmith95663@=20 > > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:13 PM > > Subject: {AMSF} Al Lite > >=20 > >=20 > > Hi Gang and Hank What Chris Cuff told me what to do with the AL=20 > is to make a loading coil and find out what kind fixed cap for=20 it.=20 > The green wire is for the gound water pipe or center scrue on a=20 plug=20 > outlet the blue wire is for the loading coil and ant. If you did=20 not=20 > get instrutions from Chris you need to get in contact with him to=20 > fine out what to do in detale. I have has mailing now if you want=20 get=20 > in contact with him so e mail me to get it. Jim S > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Hank Can have a frend see the wires for you and mark them for=20 you?=20 > You still need to make a loading coil for it to work with any=20 > distance. I herd from some ome the ant needs to be 10ft 9in and=20 > the for best rezules is to have the TX just under the ant. Jim s >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Hank Its works the best if you use a earth ground like the center=20 screw on a wall plug. Sence you live in a apparment I would if I=20 where you make a small 2 or 3 ft ant. Jim S From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 17 22:01:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75985 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2007 06:01:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2007 06:01:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2007 06:01:38 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cd4.1c7352d2 (29672) for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 01:01:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 01:01:31 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=FK58HcFbMkXpjvZ6hvYwRjRuz1e8qjOSjJ2l1x1tzDOELG4Z2Q3ACs6ZAr53dKjh X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alright. After doing some research, I have been led to believe a linear 3 meter (9.8 ft) conductor in free space a capacitance of 30 pF and a radiation resistance of 0.1 ohm at 1610 khz. An inductance of approximately 326 uH would be need to cancel out the capacitive reactance which would tune the conductor. The experimenter used aircore inductors, which was many turns of wire around a 4 inch Sch. 40 PVC pipe. The experimenter was a ham and used to dealing with higher frequencies and much higher power. A simple compact ferrite cored inductor would do just as well. Such as: J.W. Miller 5900-331-RC 330uH +/- 10% 0.212 DCR Irated 1.6A Isat 1.51A Axial leads Digikey Part Number M8328-ND Price $2.37 Putting this is series with a 3 m stretched out length of wire near the board would eliminate 90 to 100% of the capacitive reactance. That would be a pretty good start. Ideally one would want to tightly tuned the antenna, but that would be location specific. Note the very low DCR of the inductor to hold down losses. By the way, I read the Part 15 regulations. The 10 ft. limit includes transmission lines and ground conductors. The really sharp guys put the transmitter directly at the base of the antenna. With all this said, if one has an audible signal at 2 miles on anything that doesn't have a phased array of six or so 300 ft. towers with a LN2 cooled front end, it probably isn't Part15 compliant. Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 17 22:30:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27038 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2007 06:30:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2007 06:30:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.56) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2007 06:30:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2007 06:30:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2007 06:30:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:30:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.150.80 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=l8DUDtSs419EnobEreNGkn_XAxRyAZu0v5YU_hLnnSgSDdzmO_7aRxdhcICvJFn6g2jOUkc_ X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > > > I think I found the grounding wire the signal got stronger I=20 > grounded it to my audio board am unsure on the hole coil thing I=20 just=20 > know what I had on my amt 3000 worked nicely am unsure if that had=20 a=20 > coil or not I had that built for me. > > anyways > > am unsure > > thanks > > Hank > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: jim smith=20 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:45 PM > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" =20 > wrote: > > > > > > Hello one problem is I can't see the color so I don't know=20 what=20 > is=20 > > what and isn't there a way I can get the rca antanna working=20 with=20 > > this? > > > thanks > > > Hank > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > > From: jimsmith95663@=20 > > > To: am stereo forum=20 > > > Cc: jimsmith95663@=20 > > > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:13 PM > > > Subject: {AMSF} Al Lite > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Hi Gang and Hank What Chris Cuff told me what to do with the=20 AL=20 > > is to make a loading coil and find out what kind fixed cap for=20 > it.=20 > > The green wire is for the gound water pipe or center scrue on a=20 > plug=20 > > outlet the blue wire is for the loading coil and ant. If you=20 did=20 > not=20 > > get instrutions from Chris you need to get in contact with him=20 to=20 > > fine out what to do in detale. I have has mailing now if you=20 want=20 > get=20 > > in contact with him so e mail me to get it. Jim S > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Hi Hank Can have a frend see the wires for you and mark them=20 for=20 > you?=20 > > You still need to make a loading coil for it to work with any=20 > > distance. I herd from some ome the ant needs to be 10ft 9in and=20 > > the for best rezules is to have the TX just under the ant. Jim s > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Hank Its works the best if you use a earth ground like the=20 center=20 > screw on a wall plug. Sence you live in a apparment I would if I=20 > where you make a small 2 or 3 ft ant. Jim S > Hi Hank I had put some more thought to this and sence you do have=20 8ft sealings you can make a 8ft ant. with it mounted to a peace of=20 ply wood that can sit on the floor put the loading coil and TX next=20 it. I will try to remember what Chris wrought to me. He told me to=20 take a toilet paper roll and get a spool of #14 wire and carefluy rap=20 125 wines around it and glue it to the role and have two holes on=20 each end of the role for the wire to go through. On each end of the=20 coil solder a short peace wire and find out from some one what kind=20 of fixed cap you need and then solder it to the two wires. And there=20 you go one loading coil. Outside of not having the ant. inside thats=20 what did with my 10mw and i got out about a haft mile with a haft=20 wave CB ant.. Take care . Jim S From ke7ief@aol.com Sat Nov 17 22:59:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91337 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2007 06:59:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2007 06:59:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.171) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2007 06:59:25 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c2e.21931deb (52331) for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 01:59:24 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-38-75.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.38.75]) by ciaaol-d04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD049-cc6b473fe2c81be; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 01:59:21 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01c829b0$8aafa950$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:59:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.38.75 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=sDq-DsZWFPck6TqS0FRbE_53ObHP6Zp5ceJyjPHMyJcMgkqFWpBP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wonder what that would have done if you stuck that out side? ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 10:30 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > > > I think I found the grounding wire the signal got stronger I > grounded it to my audio board am unsure on the hole coil thing I just > know what I had on my amt 3000 worked nicely am unsure if that had a > coil or not I had that built for me. > > anyways > > am unsure > > thanks > > Hank > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: jim smith > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:45 PM > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" > wrote: > > > > > > Hello one problem is I can't see the color so I don't know what > is > > what and isn't there a way I can get the rca antanna working with > > this? > > > thanks > > > Hank > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: jimsmith95663@ > > > To: am stereo forum > > > Cc: jimsmith95663@ > > > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:13 PM > > > Subject: {AMSF} Al Lite > > > > > > > > > Hi Gang and Hank What Chris Cuff told me what to do with the AL > > is to make a loading coil and find out what kind fixed cap for > it. > > The green wire is for the gound water pipe or center scrue on a > plug > > outlet the blue wire is for the loading coil and ant. If you did > not > > get instrutions from Chris you need to get in contact with him to > > fine out what to do in detale. I have has mailing now if you want > get > > in contact with him so e mail me to get it. Jim S > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Hi Hank Can have a frend see the wires for you and mark them for > you? > > You still need to make a loading coil for it to work with any > > distance. I herd from some ome the ant needs to be 10ft 9in and > > the for best rezules is to have the TX just under the ant. Jim s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Hank Its works the best if you use a earth ground like the center > screw on a wall plug. Sence you live in a apparment I would if I > where you make a small 2 or 3 ft ant. Jim S > Hi Hank I had put some more thought to this and sence you do have 8ft sealings you can make a 8ft ant. with it mounted to a peace of ply wood that can sit on the floor put the loading coil and TX next it. I will try to remember what Chris wrought to me. He told me to take a toilet paper roll and get a spool of #14 wire and carefluy rap 125 wines around it and glue it to the role and have two holes on each end of the role for the wire to go through. On each end of the coil solder a short peace wire and find out from some one what kind of fixed cap you need and then solder it to the two wires. And there you go one loading coil. Outside of not having the ant. inside thats what did with my 10mw and i got out about a haft mile with a haft wave CB ant.. Take care . Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Nov 17 23:05:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99824 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2007 07:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2007 07:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.91) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2007 07:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.28] by n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2007 07:05:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.136] by t1.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2007 07:05:28 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp109.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2007 07:05:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 809097.60732.bm@omp109.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 26919 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2007 07:05:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: A09Gc2QVM1mVpNiEEZ94d63KedPrASySBf6L7RKfsDyMjtMcCUi8hwdqceRSuI8ViQ-- X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 23:05:27 PST Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 23:05:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00e801c82985$19b153a0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <4626.25992.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=P_eoKLF4iqDTbtKdtDlWD2XQnEiO3yq90V3rCCltzz3pHd9FRHjw X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke They need to make a transmitter as nice as the SSTRAN that is AM stereo. Someone on here stated they had a Cuff AM stereo transmitter but that he only got a few feet range. The SSTRAN claims under right conditions and right antenna that you can get at least a mile out of it. What do you think? --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > Why not? The schematic for the SSTran is in the > manual. All you'd have to do is get similar > components and add it to the output of the A-L. > You'd have to put them on an external board, but > that shouldn't affect performance that greatly. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: hank smith > > is that even possible? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net > > > That would explain why the SSTran does so much > better- it does have loading coils on the board to > make the antenna more efficient. I think perhaps the > next step to boosting the A-L performance would be > to copy the circuitry from the SSTran into the A-L > output. > > > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 18 00:07:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38101 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2007 08:07:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2007 08:07:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.163) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2007 08:07:24 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2007 08:07:24 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2007 08:07:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2007 08:07:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:07:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001a01c829b0$8aafa950$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.8.231.202 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=Btd8MIqeJs6PBB5qI-bbI9DZhO1yiwxeAZ5YFT87hh2qoaqp_DHgBy5nDUQw1kSUHka8LsV8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > I wonder what that would have done if you stuck that out side? > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jim smith=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 10:30 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith"=20 =20 > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" =20 wrote: > > > > > > I think I found the grounding wire the signal got stronger I=20 > > grounded it to my audio board am unsure on the hole coil thing=20 I=20 > just=20 > > know what I had on my amt 3000 worked nicely am unsure if that=20 had=20 > a=20 > > coil or not I had that built for me. > > > anyways > > > am unsure > > > thanks > > > Hank > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > > From: jim smith=20 > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:45 PM > > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" =20 > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello one problem is I can't see the color so I don't know=20 > what=20 > > is=20 > > > what and isn't there a way I can get the rca antanna working=20 > with=20 > > > this? > > > > thanks > > > > Hank > > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > > > From: jimsmith95663@=20 > > > > To: am stereo forum=20 > > > > Cc: jimsmith95663@=20 > > > > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:13 PM > > > > Subject: {AMSF} Al Lite > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > Hi Gang and Hank What Chris Cuff told me what to do with=20 the=20 > AL=20 > > > is to make a loading coil and find out what kind fixed cap=20 for=20 > > it.=20 > > > The green wire is for the gound water pipe or center scrue on=20 a=20 > > plug=20 > > > outlet the blue wire is for the loading coil and ant. If you=20 > did=20 > > not=20 > > > get instrutions from Chris you need to get in contact with=20 him=20 > to=20 > > > fine out what to do in detale. I have has mailing now if you=20 > want=20 > > get=20 > > > in contact with him so e mail me to get it. Jim S > > > >=20 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > Hi Hank Can have a frend see the wires for you and mark them=20 > for=20 > > you?=20 > > > You still need to make a loading coil for it to work with any=20 > > > distance. I herd from some ome the ant needs to be 10ft 9in=20 and=20 > > > the for best rezules is to have the TX just under the ant.=20 Jim s > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Hi Hank Its works the best if you use a earth ground like the=20 > center=20 > > screw on a wall plug. Sence you live in a apparment I would if=20 I=20 > > where you make a small 2 or 3 ft ant. Jim S > > > Hi Hank I had put some more thought to this and sence you do have=20 > 8ft sealings you can make a 8ft ant. with it mounted to a peace=20 of=20 > ply wood that can sit on the floor put the loading coil and TX=20 next=20 > it. I will try to remember what Chris wrought to me. He told me=20 to=20 > take a toilet paper roll and get a spool of #14 wire and carefluy=20 rap=20 > 125 wines around it and glue it to the role and have two holes on=20 > each end of the role for the wire to go through. On each end of=20 the=20 > coil solder a short peace wire and find out from some one what=20 kind=20 > of fixed cap you need and then solder it to the two wires. And=20 there=20 > you go one loading coil. Outside of not having the ant. inside=20 thats=20 > what did with my 10mw and i got out about a haft mile with a haft=20 > wave CB ant.. Take care . Jim S >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Hank Parden my spelling. If you put it out side then you can go=20 the full 10ft 9in. Do you have a boulcaney or will your land lord let=20 you mount it out side some where? You will also need a weather proof=20 container I want to use a peace of 6in wite pipe and seal up holes.=20 You can make the ant. out of copper pipe. If you can't mount it out=20 side then thats why I was talking about inside model. Jim S From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Nov 18 08:04:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84860 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2007 16:04:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2007 16:04:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2007 16:04:34 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c36.1994b29f (52333) for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 11:04:01 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-38-75.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.38.75]) by ciaaol-d05.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD057-cc6d4740626c114; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 11:03:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c829fc$9fc9f790$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:44:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.38.75 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=kZ9bIUFNrXKGGhNwvJrqhuskixWwPQXHEkc4VwXBANk8r0S831-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the only way I can mount it out side is if I was to put it on my balcany and I can't attach it to the building the land lord is all ready turning a blind eye to the antanna strung up to the roogh of the balcany and stuck there with push pins they know of my set up and basicly said "we don't know about it but if corpret comes looking we'll have to ask you to remove it". if there is any way I can do this either way getting it out side with that sort of set up and not attach it to building then I would do that. then the next part is seeing if I can have some one make the antanna for me. any suggestions on this one. the land lord is all ready being gracious with me as it is letting me have the wire set up out there thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 12:07 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > I wonder what that would have done if you stuck that out side? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jim smith > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 10:30 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > > > > > I think I found the grounding wire the signal got stronger I > > grounded it to my audio board am unsure on the hole coil thing I > just > > know what I had on my amt 3000 worked nicely am unsure if that had > a > > coil or not I had that built for me. > > > anyways > > > am unsure > > > thanks > > > Hank > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: jim smith > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:45 PM > > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello one problem is I can't see the color so I don't know > what > > is > > > what and isn't there a way I can get the rca antanna working > with > > > this? > > > > thanks > > > > Hank > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: jimsmith95663@ > > > > To: am stereo forum > > > > Cc: jimsmith95663@ > > > > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:13 PM > > > > Subject: {AMSF} Al Lite > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Gang and Hank What Chris Cuff told me what to do with the > AL > > > is to make a loading coil and find out what kind fixed cap for > > it. > > > The green wire is for the gound water pipe or center scrue on a > > plug > > > outlet the blue wire is for the loading coil and ant. If you > did > > not > > > get instrutions from Chris you need to get in contact with him > to > > > fine out what to do in detale. I have has mailing now if you > want > > get > > > in contact with him so e mail me to get it. Jim S > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > Hi Hank Can have a frend see the wires for you and mark them > for > > you? > > > You still need to make a loading coil for it to work with any > > > distance. I herd from some ome the ant needs to be 10ft 9in and > > > the for best rezules is to have the TX just under the ant. Jim s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Hi Hank Its works the best if you use a earth ground like the > center > > screw on a wall plug. Sence you live in a apparment I would if I > > where you make a small 2 or 3 ft ant. Jim S > > > Hi Hank I had put some more thought to this and sence you do have > 8ft sealings you can make a 8ft ant. with it mounted to a peace of > ply wood that can sit on the floor put the loading coil and TX next > it. I will try to remember what Chris wrought to me. He told me to > take a toilet paper roll and get a spool of #14 wire and carefluy rap > 125 wines around it and glue it to the role and have two holes on > each end of the role for the wire to go through. On each end of the > coil solder a short peace wire and find out from some one what kind > of fixed cap you need and then solder it to the two wires. And there > you go one loading coil. Outside of not having the ant. inside thats > what did with my 10mw and i got out about a haft mile with a haft > wave CB ant.. Take care . Jim S > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Hank Parden my spelling. If you put it out side then you can go the full 10ft 9in. Do you have a boulcaney or will your land lord let you mount it out side some where? You will also need a weather proof container I want to use a peace of 6in wite pipe and seal up holes. You can make the ant. out of copper pipe. If you can't mount it out side then thats why I was talking about inside model. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Nov 18 08:24:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67949 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2007 16:24:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2007 16:24:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2007 16:24:32 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d28.1a70deb6 (52482) for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 11:24:04 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-38-75.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.38.75]) by ciaaol-d10.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD104-cd0247406722384; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 11:24:03 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c829ff$6d7e6b60$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:23:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.38.75 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=OQsNe0PzGMlD_eTZ_UIcaXGgFjOE4vNP-l0yJD1FFF4Jp2RJKFN8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this coil set up that you are describing to me is a cb antanna? I am re reading your email and noticed this thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 10:30 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > > > I think I found the grounding wire the signal got stronger I > grounded it to my audio board am unsure on the hole coil thing I just > know what I had on my amt 3000 worked nicely am unsure if that had a > coil or not I had that built for me. > > anyways > > am unsure > > thanks > > Hank > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: jim smith > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:45 PM > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" > wrote: > > > > > > Hello one problem is I can't see the color so I don't know what > is > > what and isn't there a way I can get the rca antanna working with > > this? > > > thanks > > > Hank > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: jimsmith95663@ > > > To: am stereo forum > > > Cc: jimsmith95663@ > > > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:13 PM > > > Subject: {AMSF} Al Lite > > > > > > > > > Hi Gang and Hank What Chris Cuff told me what to do with the AL > > is to make a loading coil and find out what kind fixed cap for > it. > > The green wire is for the gound water pipe or center scrue on a > plug > > outlet the blue wire is for the loading coil and ant. If you did > not > > get instrutions from Chris you need to get in contact with him to > > fine out what to do in detale. I have has mailing now if you want > get > > in contact with him so e mail me to get it. Jim S > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Hi Hank Can have a frend see the wires for you and mark them for > you? > > You still need to make a loading coil for it to work with any > > distance. I herd from some ome the ant needs to be 10ft 9in and > > the for best rezules is to have the TX just under the ant. Jim s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Hank Its works the best if you use a earth ground like the center > screw on a wall plug. Sence you live in a apparment I would if I > where you make a small 2 or 3 ft ant. Jim S > Hi Hank I had put some more thought to this and sence you do have 8ft sealings you can make a 8ft ant. with it mounted to a peace of ply wood that can sit on the floor put the loading coil and TX next it. I will try to remember what Chris wrought to me. He told me to take a toilet paper roll and get a spool of #14 wire and carefluy rap 125 wines around it and glue it to the role and have two holes on each end of the role for the wire to go through. On each end of the coil solder a short peace wire and find out from some one what kind of fixed cap you need and then solder it to the two wires. And there you go one loading coil. Outside of not having the ant. inside thats what did with my 10mw and i got out about a haft mile with a haft wave CB ant.. Take care . Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 18 09:36:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1687 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2007 17:36:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2007 17:36:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.159) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2007 17:36:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19419 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2007 17:36:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OemC2Q4VM1mgihbiYQ56yS.Dtas6FMuH12qnZvIBQFC9oUaYExil3ueHkxd.3Wt6Nw2i_yze86qZMHVpzajFqQVJoXLYyttbd0jdHpp8m0sbQxE- X-Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:36:13 PST Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:36:13 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <447042.18660.qm@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Alfredo Lite - ASPiSYS AMS Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=70YVrJu6uZs04PTzPUVMe6JNl1b2ahsSmRZuzOvWFUw7eEM2ysMk7qY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio clemsonbloke wrote: "They need to make a transmitter as nice as the SSTRAN that is AM stereo..." They do - have you looked into the ASPiSYS AM Stereo transmitter? It is adjusted for about 100mw, and you can adjust the frequency in 1KHz steps, turn the AM stereo on and off, and set it up for scheduled on/off times! Audio is wide bandwidth like the A.L., but you will pay two or three times as much for the convenience. John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Nov 18 11:28:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75262 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2007 19:28:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2007 19:28:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2007 19:28:23 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.55.24] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071118132309002854600003> for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:23:09 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002c01c82a18$ba060ec0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:23:09 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=BQ4KTaB8yVU1DFqAukKutb4CShjH_DgJl0IVR35Ny9lQG1zFP3AW X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually there is a way around it- if the transmitter is right at the antenna and the transmitter is mounted to a grounded pole or structure, that counts as zero ground lead length. I'm not sure how they come up with that but the FCC had investigated some talking billboards with part 15 transmitters on them and called it legal. That's really how you get good range with those power levels. Of course, you need a pretty good car radio to hear it much beyond the first thousand feet or so. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com By the way, I read the Part 15 regulations. The 10 ft. limit includes transmission lines and ground conductors. The really sharp guys put the transmitter directly at the base of the antenna. With all this said, if one has an audible signal at 2 miles on anything that doesn't have a phased array of six or so 300 ft. towers with a LN2 cooled front end, it probably isn't Part15 compliant. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Nov 18 11:32:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53874 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2007 19:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2007 19:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2007 19:32:48 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.55.24] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071118133220000763400003> for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:32:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006d01c82a1a$01fe04c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:32:20 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Rnsx72T_IvAi7px1Sts23lydpzP_J6QzlS9vkMZE96KPc8TIiq-G X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, if you can get similar gauge Litz wire, you'd be better off than using solid copper. Litz wire is similar to the old tinsel wire used in old headphones of the 20s, but each strand is insulated from the others except where they're soldered at the ends. It has superior RF characteristics in that it has more surface area for the RF to travel over and would result in less loss than even solid wire, and would be less loss than the coil Mike mentioned in his post, although that one would certainly improve things greatly. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith I will try to remember what Chris wrought to me. He told me to take a toilet paper roll and get a spool of #14 wire and carefluy rap 125 wines around it and glue it to the role and have two holes on each end of the role for the wire to go through. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Nov 18 11:41:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33623 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2007 19:41:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2007 19:41:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2007 19:41:42 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.55.24] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071118134119002007800003> for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:41:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009a01c82a1b$4359c7a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000a01c828e1$09c02880$20a4fea9@jimsmith> <006a01c82978$a8f67e80$d503fea9@stodd> <003a01c8297c$b5387a00$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> <00e801c82985$19b153a0$d503fea9@stodd> <000f01c82988$ff8de700$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:41:19 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=pCJa8SieFb5clMRnE7ea5YzxAHQ_OzVEjSIYxbOsV3kui-QXl1qg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks like Mike answered that at least in part. If you're using 1610, just unsolder the antenna wire, solder one end of the coil where the wire had been, reattach the wire to the other side of the coil and you'll be in business. To be more specific to your question, you'd take the SSTran schematic, copy the list of the parts used on the output between the antenna and the output transistors, and order the same parts from Mouser, Newark, or DigiKey. Then you'd get a small prototyping board from Radio Shack and duplicate the output circuit from the SSTran onto it. Then you'd run a short piece of wire from that board over to where the antenna was soldered on the A-L, moving the antenna to the output of side of the new board. The new board can reside in the dead space below the main board along side the batteries. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al Lite how do you attach the external board to the transmitter? never used a set up like that ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al Lite Why not? The schematic for the SSTran is in the manual. All you'd have to do is get similar components and add it to the output of the A-L. You'd have to put them on an external board, but that shouldn't affect performance that greatly. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith is that even possible? ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net That would explain why the SSTran does so much better- it does have loading coils on the board to make the antenna more efficient. I think perhaps the next step to boosting the A-L performance would be to copy the circuitry from the SSTran into the A-L output. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.34/1134 - Release Date: 11/16/07 9:52 AM --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Nov 18 12:51:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24879 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2007 20:51:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2007 20:51:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2007 20:51:52 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ca6.208b158d (49387) for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:51:48 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-38-75.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.38.75]) by ciaaol-d07.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD073-c0eb4740a5e236a; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:51:47 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c82a24$d48ae200$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <447042.18660.qm@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:51:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.38.75 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Alfredo Lite - ASPiSYS AMS Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=wqhSJsVVsHUmc6bzvrrn03bZOQNnqFdIi3ozKiGLEVesWdr_ityw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit des it have a rca input antanna? ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 9:36 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Alfredo Lite - ASPiSYS AMS Transmitter clemsonbloke wrote: "They need to make a transmitter as nice as the SSTRAN that is AM stereo..." They do - have you looked into the ASPiSYS AM Stereo transmitter? It is adjusted for about 100mw, and you can adjust the frequency in 1KHz steps, turn the AM stereo on and off, and set it up for scheduled on/off times! Audio is wide bandwidth like the A.L., but you will pay two or three times as much for the convenience. John __________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Nov 18 12:53:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35964 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2007 20:53:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2007 20:53:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s5.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.77) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2007 20:53:12 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.92]) by bay0-omc1-s5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:52:49 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:52:46 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV20.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:52:42 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: References: <447042.18660.qm@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002d01c82a24$d48ae200$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:52:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2007 20:52:46.0229 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8DA1450:01C82A24] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.77 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Alfredo Lite - ASPiSYS AMS Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=0apa0IzrXtbcVGZJu_hLdgw__1-fylhUtjtGWEZZNC6o X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd has BNC RF out, RCA Audio In's ----- Original Message ----- From: "hank smith" To: Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 3:51 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Alfredo Lite - ASPiSYS AMS Transmitter > des it have a rca input antanna? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John P. > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 9:36 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Alfredo Lite - ASPiSYS AMS Transmitter > > > clemsonbloke wrote: "They need to make a transmitter as nice as the > SSTRAN that is AM stereo..." > > They do - have you looked into the ASPiSYS AM Stereo transmitter? It > is adjusted for about 100mw, and you can adjust the frequency in 1KHz > steps, turn the AM stereo on and off, and set it up for scheduled > on/off times! Audio is wide bandwidth like the A.L., but you will pay > two or three times as much for the convenience. > > John > > __________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Nov 18 12:54:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35561 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2007 20:54:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2007 20:54:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2007 20:54:34 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d1f.117c843f (49389) for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:54:14 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-38-75.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.38.75]) by ciaaol-d07.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD075-c0ed4740a67431c; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:54:13 -0500 Message-ID: <004701c82a25$2b550d90$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <006d01c82a1a$01fe04c0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:54:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.38.75 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=KWApF-n7chKzB6h-Gn5sIdPj7LjLUQ-BvcWPPa5PaBNmiziZZlNR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this type of wire still sold? ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 11:32 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite Actually, if you can get similar gauge Litz wire, you'd be better off than using solid copper. Litz wire is similar to the old tinsel wire used in old headphones of the 20s, but each strand is insulated from the others except where they're soldered at the ends. It has superior RF characteristics in that it has more surface area for the RF to travel over and would result in less loss than even solid wire, and would be less loss than the coil Mike mentioned in his post, although that one would certainly improve things greatly. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith I will try to remember what Chris wrought to me. He told me to take a toilet paper roll and get a spool of #14 wire and carefluy rap 125 wines around it and glue it to the role and have two holes on each end of the role for the wire to go through. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Nov 18 12:55:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11559 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2007 20:55:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2007 20:55:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2007 20:55:30 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d4e.18364c00 (52343) for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:55:12 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-38-75.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.38.75]) by ciaaol-d07.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD079-cc774740a6ae23a; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:55:11 -0500 Message-ID: <005001c82a25$4dbeb700$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <000a01c828e1$09c02880$20a4fea9@jimsmith> <006a01c82978$a8f67e80$d503fea9@stodd> <003a01c8297c$b5387a00$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> <00e801c82985$19b153a0$d503fea9@stodd> <000f01c82988$ff8de700$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> <009a01c82a1b$4359c7a0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:55:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.38.75 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=k-EO_BqJJLAgnqz37ORXZW_dctwkQ1fGbGTnM_WhS9h3Zr93wNw3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oh didn't know you could do that cool will have to look in to this thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 11:41 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al Lite Looks like Mike answered that at least in part. If you're using 1610, just unsolder the antenna wire, solder one end of the coil where the wire had been, reattach the wire to the other side of the coil and you'll be in business. To be more specific to your question, you'd take the SSTran schematic, copy the list of the parts used on the output between the antenna and the output transistors, and order the same parts from Mouser, Newark, or DigiKey. Then you'd get a small prototyping board from Radio Shack and duplicate the output circuit from the SSTran onto it. Then you'd run a short piece of wire from that board over to where the antenna was soldered on the A-L, moving the antenna to the output of side of the new board. The new board can reside in the dead space below the main board along side the batteries. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al Lite how do you attach the external board to the transmitter? never used a set up like that ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al Lite Why not? The schematic for the SSTran is in the manual. All you'd have to do is get similar components and add it to the output of the A-L. You'd have to put them on an external board, but that shouldn't affect performance that greatly. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith is that even possible? ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net That would explain why the SSTran does so much better- it does have loading coils on the board to make the antenna more efficient. I think perhaps the next step to boosting the A-L performance would be to copy the circuitry from the SSTran into the A-L output. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.34/1134 - Release Date: 11/16/07 9:52 AM --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Nov 18 18:37:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68913 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2007 02:37:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2007 02:37:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.123) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2007 02:37:07 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2007 02:37:07 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.111.168] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2007 02:37:07 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp103.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2007 02:37:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 387274.71853.bm@omp103.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 15221 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Nov 2007 02:37:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kVKHngwVM1nrHMUiogCSGU.Sdow63QuHrmJjH6EFwTOkNCwlMq_QRHLf5UzV8KcG1d6diKW9mMjOIHpOigoCPuopswRm64NJ3ZhLpvNfPdlaYst2hii3aZE- X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:37:06 PST Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:37:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <496703.14680.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: this would be nice X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=PSW5sNDIAzFC33ZSRD0Lu0qQKPZhbMdroAvdm9eaMpvBBfqHGYU4 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke It would be nice if someone good with electronics knew how to install one of these on your receivers. Be a nice addition. http://www.aspisys.com/dqam.htm ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Nov 18 18:56:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48265 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2007 02:56:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2007 02:56:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2007 02:56:23 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bf8.1eb4df31 (42807) for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:56:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:56:15 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} this would be nice X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=BMOMdzGP9BmVq35c0GX03vIzKJ_wWwODo_ghfO5F7F8F04p-qwr4l5jIlMWdDp5S X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am somewhat proficient with electronics. Like the AM transmitter, it seems to have alot of electrolytic caps for some reason. Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Nov 18 19:11:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12236 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2007 03:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2007 03:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2007 03:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d5a.15366941 (37180) for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:11:24 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-38-75.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.38.75]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA053-913c4740feda25d; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:11:23 -0500 Message-ID: <004701c82a59$dcd74310$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <496703.14680.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:11:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.38.75 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} this would be nice X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=dSci_tS0xR2_EFjL5k9eUk9vBrbcpyBD21Fo0wqOXCbuC_OUDwJC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yeah baby this sounds nice any one know of any body who could do this? I have a couple of recievers that could use this awesome mod. ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 6:37 PM Subject: {AMSF} this would be nice It would be nice if someone good with electronics knew how to install one of these on your receivers. Be a nice addition. http://www.aspisys.com/dqam.htm __________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Nov 18 19:54:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85238 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2007 03:54:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2007 03:54:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.34) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2007 03:54:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82078 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Nov 2007 03:54:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Wkz2OKIVM1lk63PxA.a7gMWsAoyp.ovUrzSamBp547L2zdsUWf3YB3FrtuUbCEbbHtmdiBnQBAUOW9Q2V_3InNdaHxFjMDNIvF21kkFvM3rtXw0L1ADycOg- X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:54:35 PST Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:54:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004701c82a59$dcd74310$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <791386.80513.qm@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} this would be nice X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=s7bdDMTjM5i_Yln1lrCvWMBBDZfAyy32OTHhF7gnNdc09v-WC3Oi X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yeah it is awesome. I wish I knew enough about electronic wiring and schematics to do that type of mod. If I did it would be going in all 6 of my receivers! It's $35 a pop but worth it for the AM enthusiast. I love tinkering with my parents Chrysler Town and Country at night cause it has AM stereo and I can get some distant ones in and it sounds good! --- hank smith wrote: > yeah baby > this sounds nice > any one know of any body who could do this? I have a > couple of recievers that could use this awesome mod. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clemsonbloke > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 6:37 PM > Subject: {AMSF} this would be nice > > > It would be nice if someone good with electronics > knew > how to install one of these on your receivers. Be > a > nice addition. > > http://www.aspisys.com/dqam.htm > > > __________________________________________________________ > Be a better pen pal. > Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See > how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Nov 19 05:15:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77913 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2007 13:15:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2007 13:15:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.160) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2007 13:15:41 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.77]) by bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:15:41 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:15:41 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:15:35 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:15:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2007 13:15:41.0324 (UTC) FILETIME=[48BF6CC0:01C82AAE] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Delta ASE-2 Manual X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=MrQ6vfGrSCobGwSl-SPJJs-RWe6OmAI9fEqGPdgJcgIs X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Any one have a manual for the Delta ASE-2 Exciter??? I recently aquired one along with the Motorola 1310 Monitor. I have a manual for the 1310, but not the switch positions for "X band". I remember long long timae ago someone posted a link to the setting, but i cant seem locate it. Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hunterdonfree Moderator NeighborhoodInformer NJ/PA http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NeighborhoodInformerNewJersey http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NeighborhoodInformerpennsylvania From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 19 10:13:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91224 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2007 18:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2007 18:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2007 18:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d58.193e447a (30738) for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:13:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:13:37 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Alfredo Lite - ASPiSYS AMS Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=IBst4KzYmx_WgiTktmU8D6Df6tBbgRekyCp7AXymnlH9Ib79kJOOh8UfVmUjlDQ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know this may be kind of an inconvenient question, but how do the folks who sell these low power AM transmitters circumvent the FCC regulations requiring these devices be certificated or verified? In reading the regulations, I see only homebrew equipment for one's personal use is exempted. On the antenna thing, might it not be better to use a groundless antenna? Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 19 13:54:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26781 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2007 21:54:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2007 21:54:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp124.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.97) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2007 21:54:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44796 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2007 21:54:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.30.71.173 with login) by smtp124.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2007 21:54:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5iF0zmAVM1n46dGZTkTT2SB1B_Ldjt8VSk1dgYuc0BI_vu4IRJ9d.lUutw69N3eiZdoFvmuouQ-- Message-ID: <000c01c82af6$d0f99c80$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:54:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Al lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=bgpPfe2My1rOHnFQpo-wLAWvvQQacy4Rv6cv6O0KuQhAWC6XNaYFDQZJWmi3GoSeCLUHVyZP X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Hank I am sorry, my enternet was down for a bit. In that case out side dose not sound like a option. What i would do is get one of thoughs mounting plates that you can mount to the wall with 4 screws that also takes threded pipe from the hardware store and mount that to a peace of ply wood and get a peace of copper pipe 3/4 to 1in cut it at 8 ft get threded copper fiting solder the two to gether and then thred the pipe on the mounting plate. Than i would get a small metal screw drill a hole in the copper pipe and then take the wire from the loading coil srip it and rap it around the screw and then titen. I know its not the full sized 10ft ant. but you should get out a little or at least cover your aparment bilding as long as it is wood and a comp roof. Good Luck. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 19 15:22:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60224 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2007 23:22:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2007 23:22:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp118.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.91) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2007 23:22:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21822 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2007 23:22:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.19.156.176 with login) by smtp118.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2007 23:22:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: X96A5qkVM1k6lAXL_EaXzLboHcHwOkUeVYiTSL1733FSh_YJc8gFsp7wUFseDEcg.pefDVSGHTeYvbui.oGU1ldjhdOVCrzd4.USO1CHoKepdNFrzA-- Message-ID: <000a01c82b03$039a4fc0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:22:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Doing mods on am mono radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=hpFbfsSJT0Et9mbANRfjeudqrr0hIGHI80yiHd8MT3p4S_lCffr5qcGzGtIA-cIBmvWhhoQw X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang To oh it may concern. That I still know of Jeff Deck or some one at www.meduci.com can still mod's for people. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Nov 19 15:25:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29256 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2007 23:25:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2007 23:25:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.147) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2007 23:25:25 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.76]) by bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:25:25 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:25:25 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:25:22 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: References: <000a01c82b03$039a4fc0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:25:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2007 23:25:25.0711 (UTC) FILETIME=[76BDDDF0:01C82B03] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Doing mods on am mono radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=-_y7K00BdDrurEr-G4OW3Bxj97Dikgoii9OQiHTsWoMe X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I'm trying to save up for a rack mount version of jeff's amx2000, and i will soon be aquiring one of those aspisys tx's ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 6:22 PM Subject: {AMSF} Doing mods on am mono radio > Hi Gang To oh it may concern. That I still know of Jeff Deck or some one > at www.meduci.com can still mod's for people. Jim S > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 19 15:51:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47900 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2007 23:51:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2007 23:51:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2007 23:51:53 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d5c.1292242f (60432) for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:51:28 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from WEBMAIL-DF08 (webmail-df08.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.72]) by ciaaol-d01.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD011-ec104742217faa; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:51:28 -0500 References: <000c01c82af6$d0f99c80$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:51:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: <000c01c82af6$d0f99c80$20a4fea9@jimsmith> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 31361-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.72) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:51:28 -0500 Message-Id: <8C9F91E3CD8D4E4-60C-4E63@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.104.72 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=H1lBAR6gm8JsX27ytg3LcEzHCeANpkZj63dJYeT8HJupzMdAWKEM7AzUoZyqTfBX X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hank, Is there anyway you can send a picture of your balcony and the dimensions of where you would like to put the antenna?? What is your balcony made of?? Wood?? Steel?? Masonry? Thanks. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Sent: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 3:54 pm Subject: {AMSF} Al lite Hi Hank I am sorry, my enternet was down for a bit. In that case out side dose not sound like a option. What i would do is get one of thoughs mounting plates that you can mount to the wall with 4 screws that also takes threded pipe from the hardware store and mount that to a peace of ply wood and get a peace of copper pipe 3/4 to 1in cut it at 8 ft get threded copper fiting solder the two to gether and then thred the pipe on the mounting plate. Than i would get a small metal screw drill a hole in the copper pipe and then take the wire from the loading coil srip it and rap it around the screw and then titen. I know its not the full sized 10ft ant. but you should get out a little or at least cover your aparment bilding as long as it is wood and a comp roof. Good Luck. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Nov 19 16:02:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77578 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2007 00:02:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2007 00:02:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.171) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2007 00:02:51 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bc0.1e713680 (52468) for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:02:48 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-38-75.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.38.75]) by ciaaol-d09.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD097-ccf44742242517; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:02:46 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c82b08$adb8eed0$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <000c01c82af6$d0f99c80$20a4fea9@jimsmith> <8C9F91E3CD8D4E4-60C-4E63@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:02:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.38.75 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=SJ0p_vxAiN6ZR8i_tr1myIGcfyx2D7beVilcalOU0vNFVmLACK2Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit am unsure on that will have to see what I can do I will also have to see if I can get a sighted person to help me out with that ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 3:51 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al lite Hank, Is there anyway you can send a picture of your balcony and the dimensions of where you would like to put the antenna?? What is your balcony made of?? Wood?? Steel?? Masonry? Thanks. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Sent: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 3:54 pm Subject: {AMSF} Al lite Hi Hank I am sorry, my enternet was down for a bit. In that case out side dose not sound like a option. What i would do is get one of thoughs mounting plates that you can mount to the wall with 4 screws that also takes threded pipe from the hardware store and mount that to a peace of ply wood and get a peace of copper pipe 3/4 to 1in cut it at 8 ft get threded copper fiting solder the two to gether and then thred the pipe on the mounting plate. Than i would get a small metal screw drill a hole in the copper pipe and then take the wire from the loading coil srip it and rap it around the screw and then titen. I know its not the full sized 10ft ant. but you should get out a little or at least cover your aparment bilding as long as it is wood and a comp roof. Good Luck. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 19 16:11:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16622 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2007 00:11:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2007 00:11:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.56) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2007 00:11:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2007 00:11:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2007 00:11:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:11:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8C9F91E3CD8D4E4-60C-4E63@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.19.156.176 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=6ESTtaTTVBGDpznSZNVG3BoymigYwidovZWjZxpxlTp0M4t6XOOg_Ycq3d4C3mRt4FYtbmyh X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > >=20 > Hank, >=20 >=20 >=20 > Is there anyway you can send a picture of your balcony and the=20 dimensions of where you would like to put the antenna?? What is your=20 balcony made of?? Wood?? Steel?? Masonry? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Thanks. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: jimsmith95663@... > To: am stereo forum > Cc: jim smith > Sent: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 3:54 pm > Subject: {AMSF} Al lite >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi Hank I am sorry, my enternet was down for a bit. In that case=20 out side dose not sound like a option. What i would do is get one of=20 thoughs mounting plates that you can mount to the wall with 4 screws=20 that also takes threded pipe from the hardware store and mount that=20 to a peace of ply wood and get a peace of copper pipe 3/4 to 1in cut=20 it at 8 ft get threded copper fiting solder the two to gether and=20 then thred the pipe on the mounting plate. Than i would get a small=20 metal screw drill a hole in the copper pipe and then take the wire=20 from the loading coil srip it and rap it around the screw and then=20 titen. I know its not the full sized 10ft ant. but you should get out=20 a little or at least cover your aparment bilding as long as it is=20 wood and a comp roof. Good Luck. Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________________________ __ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL=20 Mail! - http://mail.aol.com >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Hank said earlyer that he can't put any thing out side. Plus=20 i would be concerend about kids messing with it. Jim S From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 19 21:54:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46128 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2007 05:54:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2007 05:54:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp121.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.94) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2007 05:54:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4945 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2007 05:54:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.8.109.28 with login) by smtp121.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2007 05:54:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OhxSaeoVM1mCdZ7StCObgpZlK9ZNGvysrKSZl2sd3kEDuoxHgnFcSskmLhs_qQtj2uqCZbY3pA-- Message-ID: <000a01c82b39$dce53c00$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:54:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: KFBK AM HD 1530 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=O1feHLNumIbU9Td4l9qWluqC9hvjxBqK7DY9ma2wWrJ1IstPIJAcIbBz_utAJtgZCDgA2VH6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Hank With this back and forth i had forgot to ask how dose KFBK AM HD 1530 sound up in western Wash. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Tue Nov 20 00:38:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85003 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2007 08:38:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2007 08:38:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2007 08:38:16 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d55.1a6141a7 (49381) for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 03:38:13 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-38-75.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.38.75]) by ciaaol-d06.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD063-c0e547429cf43; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 03:38:13 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c82b50$c1d6d880$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <000a01c82b39$dce53c00$20a4fea9@jimsmith> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:33:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.38.75 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KFBK AM HD 1530 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=_iDObM0CXUo2dIfkBXHsM9fc-8k6fIuyG1g68_fcOWtM3Wytmcf1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit pritty poor I can't get a hd lock could be my location the turnk antanna seemed to help the reception but not enuph to bring in the hd same thing with kex ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 9:54 PM Subject: {AMSF} KFBK AM HD 1530 Hi Hank With this back and forth i had forgot to ask how dose KFBK AM HD 1530 sound up in western Wash. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Nov 20 08:03:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2536 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2007 16:03:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2007 16:03:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2007 16:03:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c75.1ec433da (30740) for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:03:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:03:34 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KFBK AM HD 1530 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=kmv0vsYfv1jY6EvB-qk7OzKSE-RZknEuJ1-8Rqm7SJHS9c39Q860kDa4sHKDSSAS X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KFBK in Sacramento has a massive signal, particularly at night. It has the distiction of having the highest signal strength of any AM station in the United States, just shy of 40 volts/m a kilometer from its towers in its favored direction. You don't even need a receiver with that kind of signal; the metal fillings in your teeth will suffice. If your brain could decode HD, you could hear it in stereo. At 1530, it's disadvanged for daytime groundwave coverage. However at night, I would suspect its cover goes well into Canada. If not for the ionization over the North Pole which would eliminate secondary skip, it would probably reach northern Russia. Don't be concerned about KFBK's ground system. It doesn't have one. It's tower grounding system is only for lightning dissipation. There aren't any insulators at the bases. KFBK has the only full-length Franklin antennas licensed in the U.S. which provide it's massive signal strength and low radiation angle for anti-fade coverage. KFBK was once a McClatchey station. McClatchey had a juggernaut in-house engineering staff, including some recovering hams, and their stations were always on the cutting edge. RCA's Ampliphase was an in-house design McClatchey project that RCA turned into a commercial product. KFBK does utilized a directional pattern. At night, it favors North and South, slightly towards the Northeast and Southwest (towards the Bay Area). Sadly, it's programming is not on the same level as its engineering prowess. Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 20 08:38:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95576 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2007 16:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2007 16:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.250) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2007 16:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2007 16:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2007 16:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2007 16:38:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:38:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.53.240 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KFBK AM HD 1530 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=kW4gLG4Dejd73n-y8zLweeeKA11gyRjc_ttqhdVT5OasJnFpefflS3mXtQHYgB-RK_BG1asX X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > KFBK in Sacramento has a massive signal, particularly at night. It=20 has the=20 > distiction of having the highest signal strength of any AM station=20 in the=20 > United States, just shy of 40 volts/m a kilometer from its towers=20 in its favored=20 > direction. You don't even need a receiver with that kind of=20 signal; the metal=20 > fillings in your teeth will suffice. If your brain could decode=20 HD, you could=20 > hear it in stereo. At 1530, it's disadvanged for daytime=20 groundwave coverage.=20 > However at night, I would suspect its cover goes well into=20 Canada. If not=20 > for the ionization over the North Pole which would eliminate=20 secondary skip, it=20 > would probably reach northern Russia. >=20 > Don't be concerned about KFBK's ground system. It doesn't have=20 one. It's=20 > tower grounding system is only for lightning dissipation. There=20 aren't any=20 > insulators at the bases. KFBK has the only full-length Franklin=20 antennas licensed=20 > in the U.S. which provide it's massive signal strength and low=20 radiation=20 > angle for anti-fade coverage. >=20 > KFBK was once a McClatchey station. McClatchey had a juggernaut in- house=20 > engineering staff, including some recovering hams, and their=20 stations were always=20 > on the cutting edge. RCA's Ampliphase was an in-house design=20 McClatchey=20 > project that RCA turned into a commercial product. >=20 > KFBK does utilized a directional pattern. At night, it favors=20 North and=20 > South, slightly towards the Northeast and Southwest (towards the=20 Bay Area). >=20 > Sadly, it's programming is not on the same level as its engineering=20 prowess. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************************************** > See what's new at http://www.aol.com >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi I remember listening to them at night and they would say "we can=20 be herd from Mexico to the Oregon border". That was before thay went=20 HD. Jim S From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Nov 21 18:14:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9082 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2007 02:14:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2007 02:14:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2007 02:14:54 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.63] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071121201448002453200003> for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:14:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003601c82cad$bfecf140$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <006d01c82a1a$01fe04c0$d503fea9@stodd> <004701c82a25$2b550d90$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:14:48 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Al Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=LGqH3hlWtVoxq38e-rE1JJoNmKqAOjBRM0_6ltUwPWvuVYVKAGsq X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Google is your friend- just enter "litz wire" and you'll get more than enough hits. You could probably go a few gauges lighter in litz for the same surface area as 14g solid. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith this type of wire still sold? ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Actually, if you can get similar gauge Litz wire, you'd be better off than using solid copper. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Nov 21 18:32:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43659 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2007 02:32:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2007 02:32:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2007 02:32:26 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.63] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071121203218001297100003> for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:32:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009b01c82cb0$31c01fc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000c01c82af6$d0f99c80$20a4fea9@jimsmith> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:32:18 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=rGsdFQFaEONQJ46cHEA3fnQjau0JO7GKDXCyxEiNqel2gWeTRHLk X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If using an indoor antenna he may want to solder a pie plate (should be steel, not aluminum) on top of it for loading- makes it act longer than it really is. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net copper pipe 3/4 to 1in cut it at 8 ft get threded copper fiting solder the two to gether and then thred the pipe on the mounting plate. Than i would get a small metal screw drill a hole in the copper pipe and then take the wire from the loading coil srip it and rap it around the screw and then titen. I know its not the full sized 10ft ant. but you should get out a little or at least cover your aparment bilding as long as it is wood and a comp roof. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Nov 21 18:32:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78297 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2007 02:32:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2007 02:32:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2007 02:32:55 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.63] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071121203242001325300003> for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:32:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00b301c82cb0$40051400$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:32:42 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} this would be nice X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=BIbzVRB5jPLeknfvubU-CA35qi7bAPeZrvWd5IYtzfJIt2AuN6nf X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Notice what else is lacking- an AM stereo decoder chip. Wonder how they do the decoding with the minimal amount of active devices? I know Chris Cuff has sold decoder boards in the past and another guy, Jeff Deck, has them for sale for about the same price here in the US. You'd save on shipping and have a genuine decoder. Don't know if he's on this list anymore or not. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} this would be nice I am somewhat proficient with electronics. Like the AM transmitter, it seems to have alot of electrolytic caps for some reason. Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/07 5:15 PM --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 21 18:46:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23926 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2007 02:46:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2007 02:46:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.210) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2007 02:46:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 92858 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2007 02:46:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.35.137.98 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2007 02:46:05 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c82cb1$d7cc8ec0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:46:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Hi Hank X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=PWfcAmo6ijkDuAYTa6T7Ca6bNm94H0D8BZPOq75w19iYAsy882QFpPvADKtIYbknradvAFym X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi hank I had read back a few posts ago and I saw what you had wrought. I did not know that you had got out a mile with that ant.. On some of the older car radios they have RCA plugs that you can plug regular audio cords to if you cut one of thoughs off you can use that for your ant.. All you have to do is solder the loading coil to the center wire of that. Thats what i did with some adapters to put my AL on the CB ant. Also with that setup I had two loading coils one at the AL and one on the CB ant. If you can't keep that outside then I would go for the inside model. Also the resson why I was talking about useing a fixed cap for the loading coil is becuase you have to junk out a radio to use the tuner for the loading coil.Have fun. Jim s [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Nov 21 18:51:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9026 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2007 02:51:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2007 02:51:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2007 02:51:08 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.63] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071121205101000300700003> for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:51:01 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <015201c82cb2$cf3de500$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:51:01 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Alfredo Lite - ASPiSYS AMS Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ZlVnH59ivoJzq-Gc_x_UNS_smnzPvanJzTIjkunqMzWTX08FVx3D X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How do you know it's being circumvented? All a company has to do is submit engineering data, usually third party but can be done in house if the methodology is adequately described. Home brew stuff doesn't have to be submitted, but is nevertheless expected to comply. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com I know this may be kind of an inconvenient question, but how do the folks who sell these low power AM transmitters circumvent the FCC regulations requiring these devices be certificated or verified? In reading the regulations, I see only homebrew equipment for one's personal use is exempted. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 21 19:10:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23644 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2007 03:10:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2007 03:10:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.141) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2007 03:10:35 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2007 03:10:33 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2007 03:10:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2007 03:10:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 03:10:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009b01c82cb0$31c01fc0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.35.137.98 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=SMBVWWLGaV-ZohkPYr0t5NKkL3MODmRmbPEWH87ZqSBuILa0388sEvHEsCaPoKj5yCllq9ry X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > If using an indoor antenna he may want to solder a pie plate=20 (should be steel, not aluminum) on top of it for loading- makes it=20 act longer than it really is. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jimsmith95663@...=20 > copper pipe 3/4 to 1in cut it at 8 ft get threded copper fiting=20 solder the two to gether and then thred the pipe on the mounting=20 plate. Than i would get a small metal screw drill a hole in the=20 copper pipe and then take the wire from the loading coil srip it and=20 rap it around the screw and then titen. I know its not the full sized=20 10ft ant. but you should get out a little or at least cover your=20 aparment bilding as long as it is wood and a comp roof.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Scott Thats cool I did'nt know that. Thats why you are the=20 engineer here. I just was helping him out with his project with out=20 him getting in troble with his land lord. I would like you to get in=20 contact with KAHI AM 950 . Jerry Henrys e mail is jerry@kahi.com he=20 is the GM there . Thay are celibraiting there 50th on air the last=20 few weeks. I had took my Sony SRF A300 to there station and none of=20 them knew they where listening to there station. Jim S From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Nov 21 21:53:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66463 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2007 05:53:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2007 05:53:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2007 05:53:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cb6.1b065f6a (39329) for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:53:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:53:40 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Alfredo Lite - ASPiSYS AMS Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Zwkj5MiYrebMveTSfccMKDj0f-hzBsnTkAKntmChhf8CZvOAjQ4bHwnA60DcVAYf X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/07 8:51:36 PM Central Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > How do you know it's being circumvented? All a company has to do is submit > engineering data, usually third party but can be done in house if the > methodology is adequately described. Home brew stuff doesn't have to be submitted, > but is nevertheless expected to comply. > > Even if a unit is 100% compliant from a technical perspective, and I suspect many aren't, there are regulatory and procedural requirements that must be met such as FCC certification, ID numbers on the units, etc. IF the unit is SOLD in the United States. The tests required and who must perform them with what is not cheap by any means. Home brew devices are exempt from the testing and certification requirements, but that isn't what we are talking about. We are talking about companies selling units. There are two companies (LPB and Hamilton) that do sell certified units. If you look at their units, you will see they are much different in terms of design and construction which is reflected in the price of nearly $2,000. The claimed range is less than 1/4 mile. How do you think the non-certified units are getting a mile or two? Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Wed Nov 21 22:06:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72476 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2007 06:06:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2007 06:06:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2007 06:06:36 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d04.205358cd (52464) for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 01:06:26 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-192.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.192]) by ciaaol-d09.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD093-ccf047451c5e1a0; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 01:06:24 -0500 Message-ID: <003601c82ccd$d64d3100$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <000a01c82cb1$d7cc8ec0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:06:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.192 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi Hank X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=9bZj5F8M70FvTIn1Nvr_72tuDrcs7fYcQAahyOAY22NZ1_WPEo1x Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit okay will give that a try. thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 6:46 PM Subject: {AMSF} Hi Hank Hi hank I had read back a few posts ago and I saw what you had wrought. I did not know that you had got out a mile with that ant.. On some of the older car radios they have RCA plugs that you can plug regular audio cords to if you cut one of thoughs off you can use that for your ant.. All you have to do is solder the loading coil to the center wire of that. Thats what i did with some adapters to put my AL on the CB ant. Also with that setup I had two loading coils one at the AL and one on the CB ant. If you can't keep that outside then I would go for the inside model. Also the resson why I was talking about useing a fixed cap for the loading coil is becuase you have to junk out a radio to use the tuner for the loading coil.Have fun. Jim s [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Wed Nov 21 22:27:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72371 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2007 06:27:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2007 06:27:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2007 06:27:16 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d6a.13234ade (37219) for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 01:27:06 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-192.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.192]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA062-91634745213858; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 01:27:05 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c82cd0$ceccff20$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:27:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.192 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=Wr3MjoNwzIyUtTJhud4LAErzW3g3J1zr2IhlCaK-u_7N9A_FSGhZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks for the help. it is greatly appreciated jim. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:10 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al lite --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > If using an indoor antenna he may want to solder a pie plate (should be steel, not aluminum) on top of it for loading- makes it act longer than it really is. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jimsmith95663@... > copper pipe 3/4 to 1in cut it at 8 ft get threded copper fiting solder the two to gether and then thred the pipe on the mounting plate. Than i would get a small metal screw drill a hole in the copper pipe and then take the wire from the loading coil srip it and rap it around the screw and then titen. I know its not the full sized 10ft ant. but you should get out a little or at least cover your aparment bilding as long as it is wood and a comp roof. > > > > > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Scott Thats cool I did'nt know that. Thats why you are the engineer here. I just was helping him out with his project with out him getting in troble with his land lord. I would like you to get in contact with KAHI AM 950 . Jerry Henrys e mail is jerry@kahi.com he is the GM there . Thay are celibraiting there 50th on air the last few weeks. I had took my Sony SRF A300 to there station and none of them knew they where listening to there station. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Nov 22 06:21:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49954 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2007 14:21:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2007 14:21:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2007 14:21:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66766 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2007 14:21:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PecM7NoVM1njYRRPIFkttXN2UteNts95Cv92RZrUGNowYv4BdgkFVYLVC8fIjnkQlwt9GfIg_A-- X-Received: from [209.213.18.116] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 06:21:14 PST Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 06:21:14 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <259713.65279.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Alfredo Lite - ASPiSYS AMS Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=uM0Rb3puuPPh2tLbvLcoYVxCq52_KVumIcja8puJB-o X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Home brew devices are exempt from the testing and > certification requirements, > but that isn't what we are talking about. We are > talking about companies > selling units. There are two companies (LPB and > Hamilton) that do sell certified > units. If you look at their units, you will see > they are much different in > terms of design and construction which is reflected > in the price of nearly > $2,000. The claimed range is less than 1/4 mile. Count LPB out. > How do you think the non-certified units are getting > a mile or two? Part 150,000 ? Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Nov 22 08:28:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33024 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2007 16:28:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2007 16:28:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2007 16:28:26 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.229] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071122102815001064900003> for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 10:28:15 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003b01c82d24$f9bc5100$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 10:28:15 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Alfredo Lite - ASPiSYS AMS Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=SF-nZVH1VtyaIyvNwuBOuI2cdTvn1XpVQY8BBhrCgJi4PB7SeINv X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's an old adage that says there are three types of lies- white lies, damned lies and statistics. I think a lot of it may have to do with what received signal strength figures they're using and what sort of setup they're using for comparison. Likely the fully certified units are assuming a rather minimal installation and a signal that can be received on pretty much any radio. The others are assuming an optimized installation and a good car radio in order to entice people to buy their units. If the non-certified ones were that much over powered, the FCC would clamp down on it. I know Ramsey used to sell a broadband 1W amp which was sold for laboratory purposes but a lot of folks used them as boosters for part-15 FMs and the FCC fined them and ordered them to not sell that kit anymore. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com How do you think the non-certified units are getting a mile or two? --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Nov 22 08:36:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80948 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2007 16:36:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2007 16:36:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2007 16:36:10 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.229] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071122103540001942800003> for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 10:35:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004501c82d26$0324a700$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 10:35:40 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ax4clIOL_Yghf9-AL1sy6PKUXSt0h5_i4T5UCKKsERoFTXAXuWo8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Didn't know they were listening to their own station?? Is the A300 that much superior to a run of the mill radio they thought they were listening to FM? When I do contact them what do you want me to say to them- put in a plug for going AM stereo? Don't know what impact my input would have since I don't live where I can hear them. Plus, I've never done an AM stereo installation myself. I do know a lot of the theory and what's necessary to make it play well and know others who could help in a pinch. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith I would like you to get in contact with KAHI AM 950 . Jerry Henrys e mail is jerry@kahi.com he is the GM there . Thay are celibraiting there 50th on air the last few weeks. I had took my Sony SRF A300 to there station and none of them knew they where listening to there station. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 22 11:15:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37401 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2007 19:15:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2007 19:15:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.204) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2007 19:15:42 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2007 19:15:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2007 19:15:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2007 19:15:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 19:15:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004501c82d26$0324a700$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.30.69.65 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=_-Hz5bbDGtqOrgeyeXTd_yeOFHQMWjFiis1e5SPT4RWlMxx3jXrOWpzlBte_VmNcmaIJkwNZ X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Didn't know they were listening to their own station?? Is the A300=20 that much superior to a run of the mill radio they thought they were=20 listening to FM? When I do contact them what do you want me to say=20 to them- put in a plug for going AM stereo? Don't know what impact=20 my input would have since I don't live where I can hear them. Plus,=20 I've never done an AM stereo installation myself. I do know a lot of=20 the theory and what's necessary to make it play well and know others=20 who could help in a pinch. >=20 > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jim smith=20 >=20 >=20 > I would like you to get in=20 > contact with KAHI AM 950 . Jerry Henrys e mail is jerry@... he=20 > is the GM there . Thay are celibraiting there 50th on air the=20 last=20 > few weeks. I had took my Sony SRF A300 to there station and none=20 of=20 > them knew they where listening to there station. >=20 >=20 > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Scott Yes they where listening to there owen station throuugh my=20 Sony SRF A300 at there 50th party. To me the a300 sounds better then=20 the a100 lots more bass and you conect it to a biger amp with biger=20 speekers wow it sounds neet. Realing you need to get in contact with=20 the engineer Brad Smith at mailto:brad@kahi.com he would be the one=20 installing it. He was very imprest with the A300 Jery henry said to=20 me a wile back that thay can't aford it because of thay need to=20 replace there computers because thay are useing some of there=20 computers with Win 3.1. I just about fell over when I heard that and=20 ask him are thay useing 486's he said no so i said to him why not=20 replace the memery in them and then upgrade the software to Win=20 98.Did'nt you say that you bench tested it? I would tell them that it=20 works and its not a peace of juck. I am hopeing that thay did not=20 throe it out. Thats all i can think about for now. And to you and=20 every one els Happy National Foot Ball. Jim S From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Nov 22 21:54:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86321 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2007 05:54:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2007 05:54:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2007 05:54:28 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ca2.1dbaaef1 (29678) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 00:54:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 00:54:22 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=fiR9RJX-aROUUSb5LR3DenkrEQkgzJwAkbtyYt347-_rXbLe68eTMdL1P0lUV5tP X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit By international agreement, the AM extended broadcast band extends to 1710 kilohertz. However, the FCC truncates it at 1,700 kilohertz. Part 15 broadcasting seems to be limited 1,705 kilohertz. The advantage in terms of antennas, etc. of 1710 over 1700 is pretty minimal. However, it has a significant advantage in terms of inference, both to and from licensed service. Back in the 60s, college carrier current radio was a big thing. 530 was an ideal frequency because the FCC had not allocated it and it providing the most advantage for carrier current coverage. Although the output of the transmitter was very clean in terms of RF harmonics, nonlinear devices on the power line generated their own harmonics. The third harmonic fell on a local station at 1590 kilohertz which our signal beat with producing an audible tone (we have a cheap crystal with a large frequency tolerance). So much for that idea. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 23 09:35:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64212 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2007 17:35:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2007 17:35:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2007 17:35:08 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.57] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071123113454000482000004> for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:34:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001d01c82df7$74d2c040$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:34:54 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=wkbaqms6aULkddhC4WrlJKDCJry4wayXCqh1FWC84h00ZHjGeWjS X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A friend of mine tried it on 1710 and had the FCC at his door in a matter of days. Most car radios won't tune that high so it's probably not worth it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com By international agreement, the AM extended broadcast band extends to 1710 kilohertz. However, the FCC truncates it at 1,700 kilohertz. Part 15 broadcasting seems to be limited 1,705 kilohertz. The advantage in terms of antennas, etc. of 1710 over 1700 is pretty minimal. However, it has a significant advantage in terms of inference, both to and from licensed service. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 23 09:45:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68961 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2007 17:45:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2007 17:45:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2007 17:45:55 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.57] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071123114536001648500004> for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:45:36 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003101c82df8$f35607a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:45:36 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Al lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=PqSUE54JCsLPB1WXcD0ryXQ8gqt6nrAJ4u_HxgUOOeOsJzBfV3yx X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope- just changed the caps and the crystal I told you it would have to be sent to Mike Patton down in Louisiana for retuning the internal filters. Fortunately the new frequency isn't that far from the old it may work as is, but it will not be optimal. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith Did'nt you say that you bench tested it? I would tell them that it works and its not a peace of juck. I am hopeing that thay did not throe it out. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Nov 23 09:50:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39634 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2007 17:50:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2007 17:50:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2007 17:50:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46071 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2007 17:50:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QZ12oY8VM1l8inp7mU4lBWteMzneJ.w1spxjrZeyziEht.jJF3nwOz6neo2T20DVaRUxt5CIkg-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:50:35 PST Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:50:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001d01c82df7$74d2c040$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <211520.45667.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=KUVkYos8aJHpYpM-40xQ6Z8GSL_IalHxwElZbtkYOPc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > A friend of mine tried it on 1710 and had the FCC at > his door in a matter of days. Most car radios won't > tune that high so it's probably not worth it. > Scott Todd Now that religious pirate in NYC can operate high power and get away with it, but us NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.................. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Nov 23 10:08:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2839 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2007 18:08:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2007 18:08:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2007 18:08:26 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bbb.17f2ea2d (30739) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:08:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:08:17 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=eK3Ih1zyl3KhCF83HbquKAt4L2Ndy37Hl-Ojjmx3OHNzjbKJxhIwy0fD-WX7vyt4 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/23/07 11:35:29 AM Central Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > A friend of mine tried it on 1710 and had the FCC at his door in a matter > of days. Most car radios won't tune that high so it's probably not worth it. > Days? We ought to put those slueths on Bin Laden's trail. Ordinarily, what triggers a FCC visit is a complaint. What licensed service is on 1710? What made me think of 1710 is my Delco car radio tunes 1710. I think most extended band radios do. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Nov 23 10:12:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51855 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2007 18:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2007 18:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2007 18:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c04.245d4a4b (30739) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:12:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:12:07 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=05mMr3LOlxyebAc9nDaVXZlhQu87NngcgrV66JV6tuX0WMFpX2BDSrq8VSC-8lek X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/23/07 11:51:07 AM Central Standard Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > Now that religious pirate in NYC can operate high > power and get away with it, but us The operative word is "religious". Perhaps if you spent some time in the men's rooms at Port Authority as well, the FCC might allow your station a wider stance, signalwise. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Nov 23 10:25:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35248 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2007 18:25:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2007 18:25:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.163) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2007 18:25:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9711 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2007 18:25:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dv6QNmYVM1mMXD_noHs80GEC9nH72Ab_dTjhrR5WauxWVYRxQM7EWksXFVujluCzCw-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:25:38 PST Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:25:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <392200.9131.qm@web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=4ZTJMskL_aSc4aUmwBptkoaQBy4V5JKG6n5quAlysms X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/23/07 11:51:07 AM Central > Standard Time, > w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Now that religious pirate in NYC can operate high > > power and get away with it, but us It's a Hasidic Jewish station with the Lubavitccher Radio moniker.... > The operative word is "religious". Perhaps if you > spent some time in the > men's rooms at Port Authority as well, the FCC might > allow your station a wider stance, signalwise. Where is this? On that comment, I'm sitting on my hands...... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 23 10:55:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65055 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2007 18:55:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2007 18:55:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2007 18:55:07 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.57] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071123125447002343100003> for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:54:47 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <007c01c82e02$9deb1260$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:54:47 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=qPXgxjuZeMX-u4_MUeXScmOsEXuKQ7ykYZEXAeASm02OJ8ZPXUot X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chrysler and Ford radios don't. 1710 was supposed to be a TIS frequency but is effectively abandoned since not all radios will tune there and TIS can now be assigned anywhere there's a clear spot on the dial. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com What licensed service is on 1710? What made me think of 1710 is my Delco car radio tunes 1710. I think most extended band radios do. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Nov 23 11:19:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79787 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2007 19:19:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2007 19:19:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2007 19:19:57 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bb8.1769f49c (39955) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:19:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:19:50 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Exy2Rdm2cxhv82eJoNpk3wCYW-HMlr5xqLYv6qESErpVXFwKL1Hy5S9jM8YZoLGt X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/23/07 12:26:06 PM Central Standard Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > Where is this? On that comment, I'm sitting on my > hands...... > Port Authority is the name for the central bus terminal in NYC inhabited by an eccletic collection of humanity. Sitting on your hands is alright, just don't tap your feet. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 23 12:54:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10504 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2007 20:54:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2007 20:54:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.94) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2007 20:54:55 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2007 20:54:54 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.111.169] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2007 20:54:54 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp104.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2007 20:54:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 735325.64639.bm@omp104.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 93345 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2007 20:54:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZtE9YFIVM1mYFtpA_ZZeJCx5qJkXQPL55f_rDd6otfR5IEkZO.ya1qbov7thSd.Q8kkXmiiuXGDR0WvSDLMpxR2G4ShWfHJZCQVU6kcOcztp X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:54:53 PST Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:54:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <007c01c82e02$9deb1260$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <810589.93327.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=LeKWGrlyqqS0Xcx8_kK-mMBqkJpHU-HChr-umWX4OwgiNvU2JoKx X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke my chrysler will tune 1710 but maybe thats because its a factory AM stereo model too. Wasn't a lot of AMS stations on the extended band too? --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > Chrysler and Ford radios don't. 1710 was supposed > to be a TIS frequency but is effectively abandoned > since not all radios will tune there and TIS can now > be assigned anywhere there's a clear spot on the > dial. > > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mjgrant@aol.com > What licensed service is on 1710? > > What made me think of 1710 is my Delco car radio > tunes 1710. I think most > extended band radios do. > > > > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Nov 23 15:23:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69193 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2007 23:23:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2007 23:23:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2007 23:23:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 39192 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2007 23:23:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TR5cQ3YVM1njdVmrKM7L8c8UXhpNdqPmJJ6a4QreT1y1u9Itt3Ckb_jWKIh2cohy5cnhrCgK4Q-- X-Received: from [209.213.18.89] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:23:23 PST Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:23:23 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <007c01c82e02$9deb1260$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <195620.38954.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=4sfS8zk6jZoG0ord14CCC1ZNHzcCSL9Nn1XjlG4u2II X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > Chrysler and Ford radios don't. 1710 was supposed > to be a TIS frequency but is effectively abandoned > since not all radios will tune there and TIS can now > be assigned anywhere there's a clear spot on the > dial. My 2000 Taurus tunes 1710. It's the super deluxe with 6 CD changer and AM stereo. Being PEDANTIC Powell, I had to run out in the cold and see what the 1996 Ranger radio tuned to.... 1710. If I had seen this post before I went to the Ford dealer in Newberry, I would have tested radios there. If I go to Newberry early tomorrow, and I remember, I will do so. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Nov 23 15:24:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56048 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2007 23:24:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2007 23:24:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.163) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2007 23:24:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10794 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2007 23:24:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CPBYJYAVM1mTc8Pxkvi05Tr9nYv.lawnjPOx6aEr9jB9v6GDFAKFm2f8X3dJGBCUvI85qUXuTg-- X-Received: from [209.213.18.89] by web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:24:35 PST Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:24:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <370545.9984.qm@web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=HbCGx5Sn8N8lzuJ6iTqbqNAdVLtRVUWLsHXhOxuCaVk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/23/07 12:26:06 PM Central > Standard Time, > w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Where is this? On that comment, I'm sitting on my > > hands...... > > > > Port Authority is the name for the central bus > terminal in NYC inhabited by > an eccletic collection of humanity. Sitting on your > hands is alright, just don't tap your feet. LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Nov 23 15:46:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97487 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2007 23:46:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2007 23:46:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.161) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2007 23:46:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26667 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2007 23:46:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wn8R.uAVM1nItW6FWQywQMIIHZQYci0CxXOX56cVluTyIc60TJyGC9Giqru5a5dBBQ-- X-Received: from [209.213.18.89] by web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:46:28 PST Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:46:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <810589.93327.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <163804.26397.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=uOsdXl5y_monRu8G3dzTQDwZZUUHBbUDjATJM9pKL-g X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- clemsonbloke wrote: > my chrysler will tune 1710 but maybe thats because > its a factory AM stereo model too. Wasn't a lot of > AMS stations on the extended band too? It COULD have been but ended up being not so much so. The original plan gave stations a "preference" if they were to run AM stereo but was dropped. I don't have ANYone I can hear in stereo in a regular basis here near Silverstreet, SC. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Nov 23 15:50:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15023 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2007 23:50:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2007 23:50:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2007 23:50:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 94465 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2007 23:50:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tRYS7uEVM1mNHb0FZl3mQfrWfqv36Q_nbLXvBJVx X-Received: from [209.213.18.89] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:49:59 PST Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:49:59 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <115989.93008.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=tQqGXdH7XumhBjm-xf1k9up_KEIp4JS78IdIJISqfjY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW > Port Authority is the name for the central bus > terminal in NYC inhabited by > an eccletic collection of humanity. Sitting on your > hands is alright, just don't tap your feet. I think my correct response should be ---- I'm not a politician.... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Nov 23 16:58:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64182 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2007 00:58:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2007 00:58:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2007 00:58:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c7b.1fd02a2c (41812) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:58:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:58:37 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=psFbdYeMKXonvcqfKyHidhRpzaO9kRyjlXrWf5OEZoueOd4QCPiwMEJvd_oQPROh X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/23/07 6:50:15 PM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > I think my correct response should be ---- I'm not a > politician.... > It would help. That's whose running the FCC nowadays. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Nov 23 17:41:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40678 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2007 01:41:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2007 01:41:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2007 01:41:11 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cb7.1ac86e86 (29678) for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:41:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:41:07 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: The Mighty 1630,. AM Stereo KCJJ-AM Iowa City, Iowa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=0ekH4Caw7KfxESSnfzrguRT4OrtSQ9BAuaAXjx7f3oJiWsceJydrc7NtSzejUUzB X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: KCJJ-AM - Homepage Yesterday, I was sitting in middle of a deserted suburban shopping mail waiting to meet some out of town relations to guide them through the perils of the city to my house listening to the car radio. I decided to see what, if anything, was in the extended AM band that would trigger the AM Stereo indicator on my Buick Roadmaster Concert II radio. I honestly did think there would be anything there, stereo of otherwise. Much to my amazement, the radio locked onto KCJJ in Iowa City which is about 220 miles distant. Even with 10,000 watts, I didn't think with a short (less than 1/4 wave) nondirectional pattern at that part of the band could go the distance in the daytime. KCJJ did! Not only were they broadcasting in AM Stereo, but they were broadcasting MUSIC! Contemporary/Oldies. They had a terrific sounding signal. The s/n could have been better, but afterall, this was well beyond their fringe coverage. However, it was just gentle white noise and tolerable. As from that, it sounded every bit as good as any local FM station. The station puts out an impressive signal even with their limited budget. WLS in Chicago has a stronger signal in the evening, but doesn't play music anymore. WLS comes in via skywave which provides odd effects during fades. Good job, KCJJ! Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Nov 23 19:14:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82204 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2007 03:14:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2007 03:14:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.159) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2007 03:14:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 74117 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Nov 2007 03:14:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: P8j9gBoVM1n5wIK_tEMjEXAlcn2QQPqsPw0zQrJqAjonIXscgvv9nc4CGEV6cnOoGUepBuDCsQ-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.72] by web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:14:04 PST Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:14:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <50180.73813.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=jPkVmYDCbnm4kSQneZUbiGX0LnMcv4cHa8opny3lTf4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/23/07 6:50:15 PM Central > Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com > writes: > > > > I think my correct response should be ---- I'm not > a > > politician.... > > > > It would help. That's whose running the FCC > nowadays. ZOOOM! My catty comment went right over your head. Remember the politician that got caught in the Airport bathroom stall...... That's what I meant.... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Nov 23 19:17:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54530 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2007 03:17:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2007 03:17:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.161) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2007 03:17:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96666 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Nov 2007 03:17:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KyKMZOcVM1mHdVn59hFlK4LU986ZFYn.VyIbP3WJdhzhn2Vqn7KAzMC_8zkKavI7wlGJu9bnDw-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.72] by web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:17:44 PST Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:17:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <25210.96652.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Mighty 1630,. AM Stereo KCJJ-AM Iowa City, Iowa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=XjLSbjL-ATkKHmfWeaKX4zzHg_CTSqo9gpAAXxZhy_I X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW The upper end of the broadcast band has a bit of shortwave characteristics. WAGL 1560 (they never put AM stereo back after the exciter broke) is 50,000 watts in Lancaster, SC. At 80 miles in the summer there was always some skywave component on the signal, with varying signal strength and selective fades. I don't doubt you had some very short skip. I sometimes hear Atlanta's 1690 mid day at times, and I am near 200 miles from there. Powell near Silverstreet, SC NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 23 19:42:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 713 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2007 03:42:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2007 03:42:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2007 03:42:04 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.197] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071123212548002456400003> for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:25:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <018101c82e4a$049b3fc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <195620.38954.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:25:48 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=lXH37mKEMRcksa6PrPo3qKAMRqh999l4_WXooyfYtAFvG1sTlG8U X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe that flaw was rectified over the different manufacturers, but I do know that a lot of the early EB radios only tuned to 1700. I think Chris Cuff would remember which models better than I do, but he's been too busy to post here for a long time. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW My 2000 Taurus tunes 1710. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gowrone@gmail.com Fri Nov 23 19:45:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gowrone@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44643 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2007 03:45:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2007 03:45:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.242) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2007 03:45:48 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c38so1849ana for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:45:44 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.239.12 with SMTP id m12mr45568anh.1195875944566; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:45:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.11.2? ( [12.226.168.255]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 35sm2310875wra.2007.11.23.19.45.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:45:44 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3DE080F7-57F1-471B-B921-D932905FE76F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:45:39 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.242 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Matthew Elliff Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Mighty 1630,. AM Stereo KCJJ-AM Iowa City, Iowa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=285717100 that station rockks! i can get it here at night in springfield mo. only problem is dallas ft. worth interfeeres with it. it's a southern gospel station of some kind. the station also fades in and out on my am stereo rig. i have an srf-ax51v. On Nov 23, 2007, at 7:41 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Click here: KCJJ-AM - Homepage > > Yesterday, I was sitting in middle of a deserted suburban shopping > mail > waiting to meet some out of town relations to guide them through > the perils of the > city to my house listening to the car radio. I decided to see > what, if > anything, was in the extended AM band that would trigger the AM > Stereo indicator on > my Buick Roadmaster Concert II radio. I honestly did think there > would be > anything there, stereo of otherwise. > > Much to my amazement, the radio locked onto KCJJ in Iowa City which > is about > 220 miles distant. Even with 10,000 watts, I didn't think with a > short (less > than 1/4 wave) nondirectional pattern at that part of the band > could go the > distance in the daytime. KCJJ did! Not only were they > broadcasting in AM > Stereo, but they were broadcasting MUSIC! Contemporary/Oldies. > They had a > terrific sounding signal. The s/n could have been better, but > afterall, this was > well beyond their fringe coverage. However, it was just gentle > white noise and > tolerable. As from that, it sounded every bit as good as any local FM > station. The station puts out an impressive signal even with their > limited budget. > > WLS in Chicago has a stronger signal in the evening, but doesn't > play music > anymore. WLS comes in via skywave which provides odd effects > during fades. > > Good job, KCJJ! > > Mike > > > ************************************** > Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest products. > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? > NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From robert.w.welch@att.net Sat Nov 24 09:02:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40022 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2007 17:02:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2007 17:02:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2007 17:02:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2007 17:02:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2007 17:02:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:02:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <195620.38954.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=q65NgGYG3KFqbRfcl5xETlNj2N6FlfcgYv5-ShDm7r3GLA4zRW_R X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 My Kenwood X979 and the HD-100 (the HD tuner) both go to 1710. Bob in Vermont --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- scottn0bst@... wrote: >=20 > > Chrysler and Ford radios don't. 1710 was supposed > > to be a TIS frequency but is effectively abandoned > > since not all radios will tune there and TIS can now > > be assigned anywhere there's a clear spot on the > > dial. >=20 > My 2000 Taurus tunes 1710. It's the super deluxe with > 6 CD changer and AM stereo. Being PEDANTIC Powell, I > had to run out in the cold and see what the 1996 > Ranger radio tuned to.... 1710. If I had seen this > post before I went to the Ford dealer in Newberry, I > would have tested radios there. If I go to Newberry > early tomorrow, and I remember, I will do so. >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 24 12:05:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74522 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2007 20:05:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2007 20:05:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2007 20:05:52 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c9e.1b7fa14b (14457) for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:05:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:05:46 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=mZbypkVA29fhoL_3VBsjkSgNAYnFh_tzRz5IaIjUu-QUD2q-a-mr5fqNwfH0y8rQ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know why the FCC is so concerned about 1710? There is no licensed service on that frequency to interfere with. By international agreement, 1710 is a recognized extended band frequency. Ordinarily, FCC field inspections are complaint driven. The FCC's mandate is to protect licensed service. Seems to me, the FCC wold WANT unlicensed Part 15 broadcasters on 1710. It's not like there is a company wanting to put a 50 kW station with a full Franklin on it. The FCC can be petitioned. That's what WLW did in the 30s to construct a 500kW Super Power station on 700 khz even though the regulations limited AM stations to only 50kW. There are FM stations that run more than 100kW of ERP by exception. Anyone interested? Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 24 22:56:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18473 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 06:56:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2007 06:56:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.143) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2007 06:56:56 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2007 06:56:56 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2007 06:56:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2007 06:56:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 06:56:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.8.233.214 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=UR9srFm14V0apP4Rjx_UG8vc_R4TmXgGLTvbPDVWqL3J_-QgFF3PRDckSDbWggAcMBlRB_dK X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Does anyone know why the FCC is so concerned about 1710? There is=20 no=20 > licensed service on that frequency to interfere with. By=20 international agreement,=20 > 1710 is a recognized extended band frequency. >=20 > Ordinarily, FCC field inspections are complaint driven. The FCC's=20 mandate is=20 > to protect licensed service. Seems to me, the FCC wold WANT=20 unlicensed Part=20 > 15 broadcasters on 1710. It's not like there is a company wanting=20 to put a 50=20 > kW station with a full Franklin on it. >=20 > The FCC can be petitioned. That's what WLW did in the 30s to=20 construct a=20 > 500kW Super Power station on 700 khz even though the regulations=20 limited AM=20 > stations to only 50kW. There are FM stations that run more than=20 100kW of ERP by=20 > exception. >=20 > Anyone interested? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************************************** > Check out AOL's list of 2007's=20 > hottest products. >=20 > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? NCID=3Daoltop00030000000001) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Mike Its to bad that FCC did'nt mandate AM STEREO in place and not=20 be so dand concerd with the X- BAND. Jim S From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Nov 24 23:35:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33815 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 07:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2007 07:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.123) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2007 07:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2007 07:35:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.152] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2007 07:35:13 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp205.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2007 07:35:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 842868.22298.bm@omp205.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 15446 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Nov 2007 07:35:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IwxAAvoVM1lM46kfo2WQadDCPJoXPnOjYlQcf_A5CR_RVuy7QPokREZKg..GADxa6A-- X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:35:12 PST Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:35:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <746097.13404.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: AudioCubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=w434xirJpxcI1XXOUu_jSS-XNmIFkVMA786x1P0Px7ClSpFCcvFp X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Why yes those AM stereo radios are still available at Audiocubes. They underwent a revamping of the website. The long sold SRF-A300 is still sold and is still an AM stereo radio. Go here: http://www.audiocubes2.com/category/Radio/product/Sony_SRF-A300_FM,_AM_Radio.html If you don't believe this unit is AM Stereo go to Kevins page, he has it listed here: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Nov 24 23:38:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8073 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 07:38:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2007 07:38:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.92) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2007 07:38:19 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2007 07:38:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.153] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2007 07:38:19 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp206.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2007 07:38:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 202267.70737.bm@omp206.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 94814 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Nov 2007 07:38:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fUmpJfcVM1m13Vh7hm79aN5shceNF74mrNgk4fEYdoimlcPUKNMWHE270YkfUM3zRnEfADWD3Rc2XOjgZ5Li_0ZvJqWCw7_VzXWG9te0zxIb X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:38:18 PST Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:38:18 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <256561.93300.qm@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=9fgXvxSTWyllUu3scbl9MZKJe1_huBQV7oNxk9hlRVKrDisatIxW X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke This AM Stereo unit is also offered and has been inthe past as well on Audiocubes. http://www.audiocubes2.com/category/Radio/product/Sony_SRF-AX15_FM,_AM_Pocket_Radio.html ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Nov 25 00:39:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37041 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 08:39:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2007 08:39:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2007 08:39:46 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bbf.1d7bd544 (37523) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:39:41 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-192.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.192]) by cia-ma08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA088-9293474934cb168; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:39:41 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01c82f3e$bf37eb90$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <746097.13404.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:39:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.192 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AudioCubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=0KQCZRRO3Pl-lMzD0_AoK2T9JiXl_W14FlGAZ6ouIVJnR8GwH2i2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what about the boonbox? ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:35 PM Subject: {AMSF} AudioCubes Why yes those AM stereo radios are still available at Audiocubes. They underwent a revamping of the website. The long sold SRF-A300 is still sold and is still an AM stereo radio. Go here: http://www.audiocubes2.com/category/Radio/product/Sony_SRF-A300_FM,_AM_Radio.html If you don't believe this unit is AM Stereo go to Kevins page, he has it listed here: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/ __________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 25 07:26:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15431 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 15:26:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2007 15:26:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2007 15:26:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 92808 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Nov 2007 15:26:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .gbOL6oVM1miweBvhg9bGxv318zoGsZv78Y5fjVY X-Received: from [209.213.19.177] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 07:26:51 PST Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 07:26:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <883861.92320.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=hZqvvXwpp_6ecbUlKf8HkY4klyAQfqVar0aBCSvFXlo X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW \ There are FM stations that run more than > 100kW of ERP by exception. Mike, not by exception, but these stations are grandfathered. IF, and the real answer is WHEN they have to replace the antenna, they lose that exemption and have to go to what would currently be licensed. Some of these stations are approaching this reality as some of these FM antennas are very old and soon will require being replaced. Jim said > Hi Mike It's to bad that FCC didn't mandate AM >STEREO in place and not be so darned concerned with >the X- BAND. Jim S And yes I cleaned up your spelling.... ]:) The FCC didn't. One other thing that torques me off, is that the FCC won't allocate stations to 1610. The Atlanta, TX EB station came and went. Also you DO know that 530 is a licensed frequency, and we SHOULD have regular stations there. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO..... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Nov 25 08:46:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66144 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 16:45:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2007 16:45:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.101) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2007 16:45:59 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2007 16:45:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2007 16:45:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2007 16:45:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:45:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <883861.92320.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.20.55 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=tGGEcIATloLMABAx0cXzaWwvDFhoHzX6hL5sF4IlzynRnrqz X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > One other thing that torques me off, > is that the FCC won't allocate stations to 1610. The > Atlanta, TX EB station came and went. Also you DO know > that 530 is a licensed frequency, and we SHOULD have > regular stations there. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO..... I think you meant "authorised", here- And they are-- Specificly for TIS services only. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 25 08:50:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11499 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2007 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.159) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2007 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46876 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Nov 2007 16:50:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: c5k.liIVM1mTmSRtKR2VUXHfFiuf2M7U0jbrpmQe_z.1gLWNHokhvk694Xi24QzduAMcaCHbRA-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.177] by web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:50:44 PST Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:50:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <83817.33349.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=es8tfTCMWJyr_yiCr7wcpT8CMlXDSzyUV9aaR8UlWUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW > I think you meant "authorised", here- And they are-- > Specificly for TIS services only. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ That's a waste of 2 frequencies. A rulemaking needs to be started. TIS stations can be anywhere now. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Nov 25 11:59:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14843 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 19:59:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2007 19:59:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2007 19:59:39 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bc0.1f14596d (32915) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:59:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:59:32 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=SY2PKTVHbx5rPaPT0zMMVKbuOLOI_UR_5dp6EQr0Ow4I91Rx0KA7YxKHonqM33ZN X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/25/07 1:57:24 AM Central Daylight Time, jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net writes: > Hi Mike Its to bad that FCC did'nt mandate AM STEREO in place and not > be so dand concerd with the X- BAND. Jim S > Actually, the FCC did. There were going to be preferences given to the allocation of the newly opened extended band frequencies to licensees who would provide stereo. However, the industry talked, and the FCC listened. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Nov 25 12:23:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23273 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 20:23:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2007 20:23:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.159.7) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2007 20:23:33 -0000 X-Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mail.aol.com [172.20.114.176]) by imr-d06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN4-54749d9a51c3; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:23:01 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d29.193d02b2 (32915) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:06:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:06:39 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-IP: 172.20.114.176 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.159.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=RzJ_w45n_z8-prdIoeqSTmPx1yhmki80AObIgYnYF_FCnTtzBxy66qeHt8OhnBFf X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 530 khz used to be a popular frequency for Carrier Current stations because it gave the most advantage under the rules and wouldn't interfere with licensed service. At least, so it was thought. Unfortunately, its second harmonic at 1060 and third at 1590 did. With Carrier Current transmission, no matter how clean the transmitter, the harmonics develop because of nonlinear devices on the power lines. I assume one can operate Part 15 lower power on 530. However, because of the design of antenna, it is not advantageous. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Nov 25 12:30:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6927 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 20:30:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2007 20:30:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s27.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.99) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2007 20:30:17 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.79]) by bay0-omc1-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:29:36 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:29:36 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:29:31 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:29:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2007 20:29:36.0543 (UTC) FILETIME=[E56D12F0:01C82FA1] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=3u9tsqzMifK5I7vbqOdirFlj8B2Ltw8vNlMcrXINUvPn X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd what if you had an auto line coupler that is able to detect and compensate for line load changes. sort of like an automatic long wire tuner. or would these non linear devices still cause havoc harmonics wise? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 3:06 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? > 530 khz used to be a popular frequency for Carrier Current stations > because > it gave the most advantage under the rules and wouldn't interfere with > licensed > service. At least, so it was thought. Unfortunately, its second harmonic > at > 1060 and third at 1590 did. With Carrier Current transmission, no matter > how > clean the transmitter, the harmonics develop because of nonlinear devices > on > the power lines. > > I assume one can operate Part 15 lower power on 530. However, because of > the > design of antenna, it is not advantageous. > > Mike > > > ************************************** > Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest products. > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Nov 25 13:04:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56643 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 21:04:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2007 21:04:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.mud.yahoo.com) (216.252.100.61) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2007 21:04:15 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2007 21:04:15 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2007 21:04:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.155] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2007 21:04:15 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp208.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2007 21:04:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 472784.23593.bm@omp208.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 11520 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Nov 2007 21:04:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mhXpGp0VM1ldZWwaM4YZmjYcyljaIGyxT4Kn6gIIvsv3SkPjNMdgoNdfKZJErXlykbOEAUr_brGeasdktsIAAOdNDpKTw1b7pBlyIftvxmjI X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:04:14 PST Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:04:14 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002c01c82f3e$bf37eb90$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <551832.10464.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 216.252.100.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} AudioCubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Cj5NQ7Gp-TI3CmBJPEh6-fV1lbfkrZaZVehdgOTSGyd76fPdvdly X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Go to their site and look under radios to see. My opinion though is that this company charges way too much for their products. Its dumb to buy that sony SRF-A300 when you can buy the nice Sangean receiver that does Am/FM/HD/CQUAM all in one unit for not much more. --- hank smith wrote: > what about the boonbox? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clemsonbloke > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:35 PM > Subject: {AMSF} AudioCubes > > > Why yes those AM stereo radios are still available > at > Audiocubes. They underwent a revamping of the > website. The long sold SRF-A300 is still sold and > is > still an AM stereo radio. Go here: > > > http://www.audiocubes2.com/category/Radio/product/Sony_SRF-A300_FM,_AM_Radio.html > > If you don't believe this unit is AM Stereo go to > Kevins page, he has it listed here: > > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/ > > > __________________________________________________________ > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. > Make Yahoo! your homepage. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 25 15:08:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77882 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 23:08:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2007 23:08:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.130) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2007 23:08:21 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2007 23:08:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2007 23:08:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2007 23:08:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:08:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.30.70.131 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=-n3WYpyULwmoXQTQWaEDRzxJWoPuswMp1d5VN4Pv-QCvsKIAp0SIVzlE7U0t8PeLRsQSY4lZ X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 11/25/07 1:57:24 AM Central Daylight Time,=20 > jimsmith95663@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > Hi Mike Its to bad that FCC did'nt mandate AM STEREO in place and=20 not=20 > > be so dand concerd with the X- BAND. Jim S > >=20 >=20 > Actually, the FCC did. There were going to be preferences given to=20 the=20 > allocation of the newly opened extended band frequencies to=20 licensees who would=20 > provide stereo. However, the industry talked, and the FCC=20 listened.=20=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************************************** > Check out AOL's list of 2007's=20 > hottest products. >=20 > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? NCID=3Daoltop00030000000001) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Mike No I ment the hole band from 530 to 1610 or 1710. Jim S From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 25 15:14:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79176 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 23:14:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2007 23:14:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.241) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2007 23:14:45 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2007 23:14:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2007 23:14:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2007 23:14:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:14:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <551832.10464.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.30.70.131 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AudioCubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=eiEwxpLTO80Nf20RXUz2gxtxvaSnpY5yJdo0koGKLDJSYEsSlMsl-tPlukRttuJp-92fJDNL X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke =20 wrote: > > Go to their site and look under radios to see. My > opinion though is that this company charges way too > much for their products. Its dumb to buy that sony > SRF-A300 when you can buy the nice Sangean receiver > that does Am/FM/HD/CQUAM all in one unit for not much > more. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- hank smith wrote: >=20 > > what about the boonbox? > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: clemsonbloke=20 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:35 PM > > Subject: {AMSF} AudioCubes > >=20 > >=20 > > Why yes those AM stereo radios are still available > > at > > Audiocubes. They underwent a revamping of the > > website. The long sold SRF-A300 is still sold and > > is > > still an AM stereo radio. Go here:=20 > >=20 > >=20=20 > > > http://www.audiocubes2.com/category/Radio/product/Sony_SRF- A300_FM,_AM_Radio.html > >=20 > > If you don't believe this unit is AM Stereo go to > > Kevins page, he has it listed here:=20 > >=20 > >=20=20 > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/ > >=20 > >=20=20 > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites.=20 > > Make Yahoo! your homepage. > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites.=20 > Make Yahoo! your homepage. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > Hi Sounds good for home use but its not portable. The A300 sounds=20 great through a bigger amp. But I do agree that its a bit pricey.=20=20 Jim S From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Nov 25 15:17:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97985 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 23:17:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2007 23:17:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.170) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2007 23:17:27 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cfa.21b601a8 (60440) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:56:35 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-192.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.192]) by ciaaol-d03.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD031-ec184749fda0350; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:56:33 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c82fb6$90b34440$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <551832.10464.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:57:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.192 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AudioCubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=lnK6MvxtuSNnil5cfT5abmMGiAxPF5FK1WxjHNqQ5rr2A9Iapf95 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what is the frequency response on am stareo on the sangine? on the hd100 its really low ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 1:04 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AudioCubes Go to their site and look under radios to see. My opinion though is that this company charges way too much for their products. Its dumb to buy that sony SRF-A300 when you can buy the nice Sangean receiver that does Am/FM/HD/CQUAM all in one unit for not much more. --- hank smith wrote: > what about the boonbox? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clemsonbloke > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:35 PM > Subject: {AMSF} AudioCubes > > > Why yes those AM stereo radios are still available > at > Audiocubes. They underwent a revamping of the > website. The long sold SRF-A300 is still sold and > is > still an AM stereo radio. Go here: > > > http://www.audiocubes2.com/category/Radio/product/Sony_SRF-A300_FM,_AM_Radio.html > > If you don't believe this unit is AM Stereo go to > Kevins page, he has it listed here: > > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/ > > > __________________________________________________________ > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. > Make Yahoo! your homepage. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Nov 25 16:07:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32206 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 00:07:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 00:07:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.206) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 00:07:20 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n15.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 00:07:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 00:07:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 00:07:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:07:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.146.2.189 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: WNMB Airchecks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=0vLLJ1bCPpJtl7b_SJ4FG3KhazseF-51ZSIu6XNypoZqPK0 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane I finally got to my laptop and dubbed the WNMB airchecks from my last visit to North Myrtle Beach a couple weeks ago for the Cammy Awards. They were recorded mp3(320) on Cool Edit with my Sony SRF-42. It's glorious AM Stereo, with some great tunes from a great station. If anybody wants a copies, let me know. It took 2 CDs. There is hours and hours. Just send me the blank CDs, return postage & envelope, and I'll have em to you as soon as possible. Write me off list. Juan radiojuan@bellsouth dot net From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Nov 25 17:13:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26958 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 01:13:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 01:13:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 01:13:50 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cfb.20e86966 (52387) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:13:41 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-192.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.192]) by ciaaol-m05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM059-cca3474a1dc32e9; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:13:40 -0500 Message-ID: <007601c82fc9$a20cf7f0$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:13:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.192 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WNMB Airchecks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=r1kbqCdtELvxngto5zFLw54sa89xD-MmOgnb-C8jMT_QdssDAIOJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what is your email? your address bounjced I am interested in those cds ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan Gualda To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:07 PM Subject: {AMSF} WNMB Airchecks I finally got to my laptop and dubbed the WNMB airchecks from my last visit to North Myrtle Beach a couple weeks ago for the Cammy Awards. They were recorded mp3(320) on Cool Edit with my Sony SRF-42. It's glorious AM Stereo, with some great tunes from a great station. If anybody wants a copies, let me know. It took 2 CDs. There is hours and hours. Just send me the blank CDs, return postage & envelope, and I'll have em to you as soon as possible. Write me off list. Juan radiojuan@bellsouth dot net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Nov 25 17:31:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41893 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 01:31:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 01:31:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.171) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 01:31:37 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bfd.228f3bdc (39332) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:23:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:23:46 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=raitYZMYuIK7m30OjIhI-pbdWLYKAHqsP23J7IwvlqB_zL5kwybIdH6ODHPlonkt X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/25/07 3:30:27 PM Central Daylight Time, kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: > what if you had an auto line coupler that is able to detect and compensate > for line load changes. sort of like an automatic long wire tuner. or would > these non linear devices still cause havoc harmonics wise? > What happens is there is a pure RF carrier at Frequency X imposed on the power line by the coupler. There are nonlinear devices on the power line such as flourescent lights, diodes in the power supplies of various devices, etc.. The nonlinear devices distort (clip) the RF which produces the harmonics which are also carried along with the original RF on the power line. Also, the same nonlinear devices mix the RF with the 60 hertz power line frequency and its harmonics causing the hum modulation which often plagues carrier current systems. Possible solutions tend to be site specific. When I went to college, there were stairwells at either end of the dormitory sbuilding lit by incandescent lights which burned 24 hours a day. Conveniently, the lamps were on their own circuits because they were backed-up by emergency power. So we RF isolated the stairwell lights with high current RF chokes and AC capacitors and then coupled the RF only to the stairwell lighting circuits rather than the entire building wiring. The incandescent lamps were purely linear, so produced neither the harmonics nor the hum. All the rooms were close enough to the stairwells to get an adequate signal from the stairwell lighting circuits. Since we were having to drive alot less wiring, the power requirements were only about 20% of that previously required for the building. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Nov 25 17:51:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22493 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 01:51:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 01:51:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s17.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.217) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 01:51:28 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.83]) by bay0-omc3-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:51:25 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:51:25 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:51:20 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:51:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2007 01:51:25.0489 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA746A10:01C82FCE] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=Gcej7RxB4iECq0NoJ85mvRVwqXR7cqvRALeR3jN-gRq8 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I am just now getting ready to mess with carrier current and C-QuAM. I have a coupler, a Cunningham tube Tx, and a Delta ASE2 and a harris AMS G1 and a Moto 1310 monitor and of course a 20mhz dual trace scope :) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 8:23 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? > In a message dated 11/25/07 3:30:27 PM Central Daylight Time, > kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: > > >> what if you had an auto line coupler that is able to detect and >> compensate >> for line load changes. sort of like an automatic long wire tuner. or >> would >> these non linear devices still cause havoc harmonics wise? >> > > What happens is there is a pure RF carrier at Frequency X imposed on the > power line by the coupler. There are nonlinear devices on the power line > such as > flourescent lights, diodes in the power supplies of various devices, etc.. > The nonlinear devices distort (clip) the RF which produces the harmonics > which > are also carried along with the original RF on the power line. Also, the > same > nonlinear devices mix the RF with the 60 hertz power line frequency and > its > harmonics causing the hum modulation which often plagues carrier current > systems. > > Possible solutions tend to be site specific. When I went to college, > there > were stairwells at either end of the dormitory sbuilding lit by > incandescent > lights which burned 24 hours a day. Conveniently, the lamps were on their > own > circuits because they were backed-up by emergency power. So we RF > isolated the > stairwell lights with high current RF chokes and AC capacitors and then > coupled the RF only to the stairwell lighting circuits rather than the > entire > building wiring. The incandescent lamps were purely linear, so produced > neither > the harmonics nor the hum. All the rooms were close enough to the > stairwells to > get an adequate signal from the stairwell lighting circuits. Since we > were > having to drive alot less wiring, the power requirements were only about > 20% > of that previously required for the building. > > Mike > > > ************************************** > Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest products. > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Nov 25 18:09:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94037 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 02:09:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 02:09:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 02:09:40 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d19.1750fbbb (39330) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:09:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:09:27 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=DbAq2Hu_5sv_bHEpbVlVOqSe8zwoIOHhSIL-viHfLrUcAt3_oHHDv1mbO_kc4mDk X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/25/07 8:51:55 PM Central Daylight Time, kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: > I am just now getting ready to mess with carrier current and C-QuAM. I have > > a coupler, a Cunningham tube Tx, The only commercial available AM carrier current equipment I am familar with is LPB, Inc. who had a virtually monopoly. Your range on carrier current is basically dependent on how big the electric utility transformer is that you're one the side of. That's why carrier current is suitable for large buildings with big transformer such as dormitories, apartment buildings, etc.. In terms of individual homes, I share a 75 KVA pole transformer with 2 or 3 other houses. I can reach more people by shouting than I could with a carrier current setup. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Nov 25 18:21:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66889 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 02:21:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 02:21:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.231) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 02:21:00 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.79]) by bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:20:57 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:20:57 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:20:55 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:20:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2007 02:20:57.0043 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA621A30:01C82FD2] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=lcFu_Sf3TxZ_nvPqywa-bboZ3QKavbeYZrQtcWZsBYPw X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I have the rangemaster to reach an audience with. the carrier current is more for my own experimentation. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:09 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? > In a message dated 11/25/07 8:51:55 PM Central Daylight Time, > kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: > > >> I am just now getting ready to mess with carrier current and C-QuAM. I >> have >> >> a coupler, a Cunningham tube Tx, > > The only commercial available AM carrier current equipment I am familar > with > is LPB, Inc. who had a virtually monopoly. > > Your range on carrier current is basically dependent on how big the > electric > utility transformer is that you're one the side of. That's why carrier > current is suitable for large buildings with big transformer such as > dormitories, > apartment buildings, etc.. In terms of individual homes, I share a 75 KVA > pole > transformer with 2 or 3 other houses. I can reach more people by shouting > than I could with a carrier current setup. > > Mike > > > ************************************** > Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest products. > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 25 18:36:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17441 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 02:36:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 02:36:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 02:36:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1416 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2007 02:36:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4C3Iq1gVM1mKYcdmdPc6NrcFlhxyqBEnnroEaqCE X-Received: from [209.213.18.128] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:36:30 PST Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:36:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <800848.1303.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=_L_4tHHovLEcbzqUIdr8lLdd3sEu6ipqxA7MaijxdwQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW > The only commercial available AM carrier current > equipment I am familar with > is LPB, Inc. who had a virtually monopoly. But they are not really in business anymore more or less. If you don't have a schematic for one of their units, you may have a hard time finding it. And parts for their stuff....um, I expect the word is forget it. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Nov 25 19:10:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81647 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 03:10:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 03:10:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.182) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 03:10:04 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id y63so1012100pyg for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:10:03 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.100.6 with SMTP id c6mr2738610pym.1196046603021; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:10:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f79sm1380976pyh.2007.11.25.19.09.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:10:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474A38CF.8090709@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:09:03 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <551832.10464.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <551832.10464.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AudioCubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=FafIoaylTTgJAToiz0XsSjN1Y6rMVjvSjifcn7lr-itYYP319Qnx1rfxKp4NhQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 clemsonbloke wrote: > Its dumb to buy that sony SRF-A300 when you can buy the nice Sangean receiver that does Am/FM/HD/CQUAM all in one unit for not much more. And THIS coming from the guy who gave me a hard time for buying that Sangean and "supporting the HD Crowd" instead of an Analog AM Stereo tuner such as that SRF-A300? Kevin From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Nov 25 19:27:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88318 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 03:27:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 03:27:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 03:27:56 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 03:27:56 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 03:27:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 03:27:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:27:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007601c82fc9$a20cf7f0$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.146.2.189 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: WNMB Airchecks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=83W6AD9U4qIaiKo7lD4vuHck0wxONRKHGiYsMJ-I_Vyky34 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > what is your email? > your address bounjced > I am interested in those cds try gualdaj@bellsouth dot net From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Nov 25 19:49:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27473 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 03:49:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 03:49:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.94) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 03:49:12 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 03:49:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.154] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 03:49:12 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp207.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 03:49:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 54631.60392.bm@omp207.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 55160 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2007 03:49:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0sf2YCsVM1kKWKnTfriF9tb.qATz8de0N4858EXSXGnJ6xL2r9HNb.01dG4nGAhixQDQSIB.Qvlz9yorxexJxjOzl1BWg.Kv4SdaIYHfpk8l X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:49:11 PST Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:49:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <474A38CF.8090709@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <191689.53255.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} AudioCubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=0haaRmnykYL3vIr3rLtMB3v1wbXMg3tTrmZZhlWhOrzhiYGB3keI X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Possum, You took that wrong. I didnt care if you bought the Sangean so much as support HD, that was all. I thought that he wanted somehting for the home so I was saying in that case it would make more sense to purchase the Sangean for CQUAM since it apparently decodes it. I don't know of any other home tuners that receive AM stereo unless used on ebay. It doesn't hurt to have the Sangean if they actually someday cut off the analog signal but lets hope that doesnt happen. It would render so much of our equipment useless. By the way does anyone know what the deal is with 1490 WPCI in greenville? It's still advertised as AM stereo but I had heard he went HD. All I know is I can't get it in CQUAM so I don't think he's (i.e.- Radio Randy) still sending out analog AMS. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > clemsonbloke wrote: > > Its dumb to buy that sony SRF-A300 when you can > buy the nice Sangean receiver that does > Am/FM/HD/CQUAM all in one unit for not much more. > > And THIS coming from the guy who gave me a hard time > for buying that > Sangean and "supporting the HD Crowd" instead of an > Analog AM Stereo > tuner such as that SRF-A300? > > Kevin > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Nov 25 19:51:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1832 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 03:51:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 03:51:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.92) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 03:51:34 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 03:51:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.136] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 03:51:33 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp109.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 03:51:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 640648.35968.bm@omp109.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 15647 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2007 03:51:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VP77ZF4VM1mUDkEvjb2WJhT.XAq.UAYH23Joh9IYoveo.GMMtpADEk42qFgQIoxzHJkr7xsGcfecjHopwf_Cy6k7DSBB5MYf18lXcWGOR4.Y X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:51:32 PST Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:51:32 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <707160.13903.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=R-cB7vRJgAEwwZ3gn0ofa62osx84_2S28thbVxi1kcJoNIHCpg83 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Folks has anyone been experiencing a lot of hum on 600, 700, 800, etc?? I can't figure out what is going on but I have tons of hum. I was wondering if it was my problem or if there is something going on. It's been happening at night for a while. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Nov 25 19:52:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44086 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 03:52:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 03:52:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 03:52:06 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d5c.133d39cc (37254) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:52:01 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-192.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.192]) by cia-ma07.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA074-9186474a42de15e; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:52:00 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01c82fdf$d2b2e110$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:52:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.192 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=VJuLqoglaC0wQKBiXJUZzSHAyUI6aIfdlW64UhD0F_KvHu98pXvL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit where on earth did you find the equipment? ----- Original Message ----- From: Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:51 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? I am just now getting ready to mess with carrier current and C-QuAM. I have a coupler, a Cunningham tube Tx, and a Delta ASE2 and a harris AMS G1 and a Moto 1310 monitor and of course a 20mhz dual trace scope :) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 8:23 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? > In a message dated 11/25/07 3:30:27 PM Central Daylight Time, > kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: > > >> what if you had an auto line coupler that is able to detect and >> compensate >> for line load changes. sort of like an automatic long wire tuner. or >> would >> these non linear devices still cause havoc harmonics wise? >> > > What happens is there is a pure RF carrier at Frequency X imposed on the > power line by the coupler. There are nonlinear devices on the power line > such as > flourescent lights, diodes in the power supplies of various devices, etc.. > The nonlinear devices distort (clip) the RF which produces the harmonics > which > are also carried along with the original RF on the power line. Also, the > same > nonlinear devices mix the RF with the 60 hertz power line frequency and > its > harmonics causing the hum modulation which often plagues carrier current > systems. > > Possible solutions tend to be site specific. When I went to college, > there > were stairwells at either end of the dormitory sbuilding lit by > incandescent > lights which burned 24 hours a day. Conveniently, the lamps were on their > own > circuits because they were backed-up by emergency power. So we RF > isolated the > stairwell lights with high current RF chokes and AC capacitors and then > coupled the RF only to the stairwell lighting circuits rather than the > entire > building wiring. The incandescent lamps were purely linear, so produced > neither > the harmonics nor the hum. All the rooms were close enough to the > stairwells to > get an adequate signal from the stairwell lighting circuits. Since we > were > having to drive alot less wiring, the power requirements were only about > 20% > of that previously required for the building. > > Mike > > > ************************************** > Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest products. > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Nov 25 19:52:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22806 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 03:52:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 03:52:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.mud.yahoo.com) (216.252.100.61) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 03:52:30 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 03:52:30 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.29] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 03:52:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.135] by t2.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 03:52:30 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp108.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 03:52:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 246845.28210.bm@omp108.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 34833 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2007 03:52:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1yc6OFUVM1nzMrYs6dYOJd_AAyZltcfIOi2HrMuYYQnqIKw_5KfzhUIrC64MWBfV0LdjCpvjTE7H3n6IlYGN98faYn.Y.KmCuIMf8Y6QGyBA X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:52:29 PST Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:52:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <306282.64917.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 216.252.100.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: By the way X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=H0_UsRrzkFbP-L72rXUOEfvjQrufXfsVqAzVhzhEQ9A0bFcAZS_8 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke By the way, yes its on different radios too and in different locations around the home from small portables to the stereo system. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Nov 25 19:53:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67531 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 03:53:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 03:53:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 03:53:06 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c8d.1a5c0895 (37258) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:53:00 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-192.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.192]) by cia-ma07.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA078-918a474a43193b0; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:52:59 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c82fdf$f796b240$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:53:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.192 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=dLYkCx53cxzmPJXoXaZB1BuARkzQhtF5IkPAs-mwOSi7svs9L4_J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is it true that you have to have paperwork to get a carier current transmitter? or can any one get one? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? In a message dated 11/25/07 8:51:55 PM Central Daylight Time, kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: > I am just now getting ready to mess with carrier current and C-QuAM. I have > > a coupler, a Cunningham tube Tx, The only commercial available AM carrier current equipment I am familar with is LPB, Inc. who had a virtually monopoly. Your range on carrier current is basically dependent on how big the electric utility transformer is that you're one the side of. That's why carrier current is suitable for large buildings with big transformer such as dormitories, apartment buildings, etc.. In terms of individual homes, I share a 75 KVA pole transformer with 2 or 3 other houses. I can reach more people by shouting than I could with a carrier current setup. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Nov 25 20:44:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99574 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 04:44:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 04:44:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 04:44:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.be0.2570f4e8 (14502) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:44:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:44:49 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ogYcPRjYUv5YjzIg9KhRn8UnEMrc7GYIymJ1lxyQO1pkDcOCvtiYv8oTdvfXFxUR X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the question. Is it 50 hz hum or 60 hz hum? Is it always there or just went you're transmitting? Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Nov 25 20:48:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33930 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 04:48:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 04:48:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 04:48:49 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cf9.22363c40 (14502) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:48:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:48:26 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=17-5Iuq_QRVQBnawnUgBbRzxyss-P6n1pUSOcHtKMlNI4LfR6kNQnRJ4ulkXrSv- X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As far as I know, carrier current stations are not licensed. However, the equipment you use must be FCC certified unless it is homebrew. Then again, so does 100mW / 3 meter antenna stuff. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dolphin@strangeanimals.net Sun Nov 25 21:04:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: dolphin@strangeanimals.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2547 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 05:04:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 05:04:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.125) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 05:04:47 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 05:04:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 05:04:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 05:04:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:04:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <707160.13903.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.202.112.22 From: "amradiozebra" Subject: Re: Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184419589; y=vAtAXcgqEXvuEZK8ZW0q7URvGbp8jfRpxdcw7VkhLwmGWWWzPsbEDWY X-Yahoo-Profile: amradiozebra Cheap compact fluorescent lamps (the ones meant to go into old fashioned sockets) can emit a LOT of 60Hz hum at AM frequencies. I bought some at IKEA that are awful. The FEIT electric ones available widely in CA are at least somewhat better. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke wrote: > > Folks has anyone been experiencing a lot of hum on > 600, 700, 800, etc?? I can't figure out what is going > on but I have tons of hum. I was wondering if it was > my problem or if there is something going on. It's > been happening at night for a while. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 ___________________________________________________________________________= _________ > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you=20 > with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.=20 http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=3DAt9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ > From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Nov 25 22:50:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19092 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 06:50:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 06:50:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.177) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 06:50:02 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so1246799pyb for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:49:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.242.7 with SMTP id u7mr5206804qbr.1196059799397; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:49:59 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [65.66.130.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c6sm929734qbc.2007.11.25.22.49.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:49:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474A6C94.7070201@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:49:56 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <191689.53255.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <191689.53255.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AudioCubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=-BQFWrybly9YoIU3Ra7-UdOPlvv8GGB52FSAAweaUgRJcbHIfMg6wVuye20KhA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 clemsonbloke wrote: > By the way does anyone know what the deal is with 1490 WPCI in greenville? It's still advertised as AM stereo but I had heard he went HD. When I was there 2 months ago, WPCI was in Stereo, but in the HD-Radio mode. I couldn't get it to decode in Piedmont. It would drop in and out of Digital in West Greenville. Outside of Downtown Greenville, WPCI's HD signal is worthless. At night Skywave QRM kills HD on Church Street. Kevin From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Nov 25 22:56:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71282 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 06:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 06:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.172) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 06:56:36 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c76.1bd2f53c (52471) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:56:31 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-192.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.192]) by ciaaol-d09.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD0910-ccf7474a6e1c190; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:56:29 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01c82ff9$790b6050$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:56:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.192 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=urifcpmWf1pLxdC8_Z4TchkpXtTYD-xbxm6i1TIBtDKL1wAzrKj6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit where do you obtain carier current stuff for a cheap price? say under 100.00 or 150.00 or is this stuff more pricy then that? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 8:48 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? As far as I know, carrier current stations are not licensed. However, the equipment you use must be FCC certified unless it is homebrew. Then again, so does 100mW / 3 meter antenna stuff. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Nov 25 22:58:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61858 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 06:58:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 06:58:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.170) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 06:58:15 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c14.29a70d95 (52339) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:58:11 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-192.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.192]) by ciaaol-d06.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD069-cc73474a6e8236b; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:58:11 -0500 Message-ID: <003801c82ff9$b54d18b0$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:58:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.192 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: attn wanFw: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: bellsouthdotnet: host not found) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=4dQ8qMyi_xgNbF-fOS_YqJinOKM8azKRd5lQt-Cpu3stK12FEA0r hello wan your email address keeps bouncing why? am trying to get your mailing address to get the blank cds sent out anyways please email me off list ke7ief@aol.com Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mail Delivery Subsystem" To: Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:56 PM Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: bellsouthdotnet: host not found) > The original message was received at Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:56:12 -0500 (EST) > from root@localhost > > > *** ATTENTION *** > > Your e-mail is being returned to you because there was a problem with its > delivery. 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Have any one else? Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Mon Nov 26 05:22:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98123 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 13:22:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 13:22:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms046pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.46) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 13:22:24 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.228.191.99]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JS4006O17T2FYP0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:22:15 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:22:15 -0500 To: Message-id: <002101c8302f$5c9ae3b0$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=SVqm6JXMKNsgLXGxs1Kt0YZT3OPbYPdR8YI-Rd1oFL3FHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also, light dimmers can cause a lot of trouble on AM. I replaced a light dimmer with a regular toggle switch, and the noise went away. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: amradiozebra To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:04 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Serious Question Cheap compact fluorescent lamps (the ones meant to go into old fashioned sockets) can emit a LOT of 60Hz hum at AM frequencies. I bought some at IKEA that are awful. The FEIT electric ones available widely in CA are at least somewhat better. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke wrote: > > Folks has anyone been experiencing a lot of hum on > 600, 700, 800, etc?? I can't figure out what is going > on but I have tons of hum. I was wondering if it was > my problem or if there is something going on. It's > been happening at night for a while. > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you > with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Nov 26 05:48:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65100 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 13:48:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 13:48:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.91) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 13:48:22 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 13:48:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.146] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 13:48:22 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp204.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 13:48:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 145800.29843.bm@omp204.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 38192 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2007 13:48:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: S0_6Us4VM1lgiyoCV6iW.kOmcRryELxQj7PJiwh4JzKYERFEvGfnpiBnCZHmhxYCJAfnynEjF9ZVE0LLI8QPDmIku6jdgkYmugiZZ2oiWD0d X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:48:21 PST Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:48:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <181498.37731.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=p7Vonjaeo5RmtFbkn-X_-qGt_IcG1ct9oRB6WYJhs6sNHximL5cM X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I don't transmit anything. It's a low hum. It's annoying but it seems to be on 600, 700, 800, 900, etc, etc. It isn't on the in-between channels. --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Here's the question. Is it 50 hz hum or 60 hz hum? > Is it always there or > just went you're transmitting? > > Mike > > > ************************************** > Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest products. > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Nov 26 05:49:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12928 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 13:49:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 13:49:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.92) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 13:49:37 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 13:49:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.153] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 13:49:37 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp206.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2007 13:49:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 539025.32140.bm@omp206.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 29765 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2007 13:49:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Y9Vl3zkVM1lljBTZ7JM3NqeiR5HKWVJ5omaX2SITCxBfXrHokcbqn1bUG.RKj4ycuwkJgwLY10vMGI4wXMltYzRHzcmgZ3ncSpWCpQ3cgnuWrarihOma3eM- X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:49:36 PST Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:49:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <474A6C94.7070201@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <624117.29004.qm@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} AudioCubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=StGDad7BQtcy87NtxTdQDrGvXgOij7n6nUeytReSED0rteEKBOGt X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Possum, Oh ok well I wondered what was going on with it. I know their hourly legal ID still says AM Stereo but I figured he must have meant in HD. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > clemsonbloke wrote: > > By the way does anyone know what the deal is with > 1490 WPCI in greenville? It's still advertised as > AM stereo but I had heard he went HD. > > When I was there 2 months ago, WPCI was in Stereo, > but in the HD-Radio > mode. I couldn't get it to decode in Piedmont. It > would drop in and out > of Digital in West Greenville. Outside of Downtown > Greenville, WPCI's HD > signal is worthless. At night Skywave QRM kills HD > on Church Street. > > Kevin > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 26 08:00:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97133 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 16:00:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 16:00:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.163) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 16:00:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14857 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2007 16:00:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: p8QEit8VM1kaAk.pAqTecfumARXfhQGNi9tSWAOupPeOSkJn..iLRAnZKz5h9eeXQ6iZbpTDjw-- X-Received: from [209.213.18.181] by web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:00:04 PST Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:00:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <707160.13903.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <122323.12170.qm@web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=mjTGkfdGwqPvx0dTHndM64so2EUdLsB0KqVTkr9iAZs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Folks has anyone been experiencing a lot of hum on > 600, 700, 800, etc?? I can't figure out what is > going > on but I have tons of hum. I was wondering if it > was > my problem or if there is something going on. It's > been happening at night for a while. Not here. I would have to hear it to tell you what I thought it might be. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 26 08:05:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61602 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 16:05:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 16:05:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.158) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 16:05:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49057 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2007 16:05:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7CozCN0VM1m3aGFC6BPlooL2OTzqtqxFtJ5oU2JJ0QC6qgkru0eN7XrglBhQE4jQjIliXE713Q-- X-Received: from [209.213.18.181] by web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:05:42 PST Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:05:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003801c82ff9$b54d18b0$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <301194.48632.qm@web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} attn wanFw: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: bellsouthdotnet: host not found) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=hHCO5lUGWRJggmf7Wg-aGzN1so1matKdyL2c5xkxrJY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- hank smith wrote: > hello wan your email address keeps bouncing > why? take the word dot out and substitute it for a . He did that to prevent spam. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 26 08:09:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45048 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 16:09:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 16:09:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.161) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 16:09:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23043 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2007 16:09:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iWFKj3MVM1ni1ntrP4tNUOuQRcDgmiqlY_JXWs7mAwT6Q4RWGNE_EUfEVFd_7jj2GDED5QFS9w-- X-Received: from [209.213.18.181] by web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:09:25 PST Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:09:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c82ffb$a58df5a0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <786535.22771.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Speaking of HD rado X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=eCnrFl15Vnq9XU9okBpvijDIWJSXriQOte_lqUNMTm0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi Gang I had not seen Tom from WOR AM HD 710 post > hear sense night time approval of HD . Have any one > else? Jim S In private mail. I actually got WOR to give me PSD in South Carolina. I had come home and at the time on daylight time, there was a tad of light left so I took Jolene for a walk. WOR was simply smoking on the cheap portable, and even though the signal had weakened substantially by the time we got back from the mile walk, I still got the PSD. If I had gotten real decoding I would have recorded it. I feel it would have if I had stayed home to check, butr Jolene does NOT like to walk after dark even with the powerful LED flashlight, and if things make her nervous, they make me nervous.....Coyotes and other things. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 26 08:12:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9896 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 16:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 16:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 16:12:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73161 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2007 16:12:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WHsTvfkVM1neKX5tq4owxTbPyiTkgxTaKJQDAyzf0nn08AJsDd3jJLrnTymbzqxvQClIy38b3g-- X-Received: from [209.213.18.181] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:12:25 PST Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:12:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <122323.12170.qm@web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <550634.72432.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Gy591Uw8KuBdOUwQGmfNoJoxwMMxKluP0G3cNeALzQE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Take a portable radio and go outside and walk around and then away from where you live and the power lines? Anything new of plug in nature at your house? Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 26 08:16:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51275 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 16:16:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 16:16:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 16:16:22 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d4b.190ac339 (39332) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:16:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:16:03 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=l5rhV76T8qqB0amkTOD--pik1ky8Wxl-2RObAXtIv3tinw_A6wL-KQ_rq1hd7hJS X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Those are all harmonics of 100kHz. As it doesn't appear between channels, I suspect is is re-radiation of some signal at 100 khz. 100 khz is a navagational signal (Loran). Some of these stations are very powerful. What happens it the power lines pick up the signal like an antenna where it passes through nonlinear devices where which generate harmonics and modulated artifacts of the origninal clean signal and then re-radiates them, again like an antenna. Here's the question, is the hum 50 hz or some multiple thereof? I think the exact location and power of Loran stations are published. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Nov 26 11:58:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76471 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 19:58:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 19:58:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 19:58:30 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cf6.2154901d (60444) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:58:02 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-192.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.192]) by ciaaol-d04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD041-ec1c474b2548136; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:58:01 -0500 Message-ID: <002001c83066$d1871ef0$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <301194.48632.qm@web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:59:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.192 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} attn wanFw: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: bellsouthdotnet: host not found) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=1QtrRHHYxZCsetObCBq50UpM9_QaAo6EOryZh7U4Wqa2-ZsR37ge Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit my screen reader didn't tell me that thanks for making me aware of that will atempt again. thanks once again for the help. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:05 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} attn wanFw: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: bellsouthdotnet: host not found) --- hank smith wrote: > hello wan your email address keeps bouncing > why? take the word dot out and substitute it for a . He did that to prevent spam. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Nov 26 13:06:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53981 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 21:06:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 21:06:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.182) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 21:06:52 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so1722191pye for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:06:51 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.64.131.4 with SMTP id e4mr6868691qbd.1196111210551; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:06:50 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [65.66.130.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c6sm1424812qbc.2007.11.26.13.06.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:06:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474B1AA5.80607@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:12:37 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <707160.13903.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <707160.13903.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=0ChMK-qf7Eb-FFai_sHuhiLlc-JWhZcxGPXmnUaCa4-KVSgT1IooGaGpaIYokg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 clemsonbloke wrote: > It's been happening at night for a while. > AH! Night time is the key! Did you or one of your neighbors get a spiffy new CF Lamp to save the Earth from the Evil Power Company Coal plants, or get a Touch lamp? When i was a kid, mom got a touch lamp when they first came out and it tore up my old Tube Silvertone radio. What I did to fix it was the next thunderstorm we had when I was alone, I gave that lamp a dose of 240 Volts from the Dryer outlet. After it was "Hit by Lightning", mom never got another one! LOL You may want to take a cheap pocket radio and go around looking for the source of the hum. It could be a loose Neutral or ground wire in your electrical. I had an electronic controlled Microwave that ate up the Short-Wave band unless it was unplugged. I know you live in an Apartment building, so you may just be screwed. If you have a favorite station that is getting jammed by the Hum, perhaps a friend in another part of the complex will let you run a SRF-A300 into an FM Modulator in his apartment so you can listen to that station on FM? Perhaps a Shielded loop antenna could null out the hum? Good luck! Kevin From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Nov 26 15:46:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15022 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 23:46:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 23:46:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 23:46:53 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.79] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071126174642002205100003> for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:46:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008b01c83086$ea18bda0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:46:42 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=4zkgAMRNXsQ-prrgDrRjn5t4NPIP7ExgOgdZ4VHiBXZaaXEM2sGs X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Phillips brand tends to be the best. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: amradiozebra Cheap compact fluorescent lamps (the ones meant to go into old fashioned sockets) can emit a LOT of 60Hz hum at AM frequencies. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Nov 26 15:55:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76826 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 23:55:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2007 23:55:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 23:55:02 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.79] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071126175444003252000003> for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:54:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00e501c83088$09258b00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <002c01c82ff9$790b6050$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:54:44 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=F2Ck0sOPz-sEU1LJm6RGPxG_TtMcl4d6XDeXlKRwW7pR_WGe0F4N X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can find it in the radio trade magazines, or if you have friends in the broadcasting industry or at some of the local colleges. The really cheap stuff usually needs repair, however. I got one free many years ago but it required some serious work to get it going again. Sometimes you get lucky and find a good one at a low cost, but it's never something you should count on. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith where do you obtain carier current stuff for a cheap price? say under 100.00 or 150.00 or is this stuff more pricy then that? --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Nov 26 16:08:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82677 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 00:08:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 00:08:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.93) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 00:08:26 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 00:08:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.134] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 00:08:25 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp107.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 00:08:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 858397.5896.bm@omp107.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 7789 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2007 00:08:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zIlN2KIVM1kjc16eqXNlT1WPngLTOzj0Nla3yBSf.avSKyT1siBNtBerh8lKyHyugd0rH08F2xQBvG25UfzzppY8f.QX3_xUsFT5ccxBECLt X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:08:24 PST Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:08:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <474B1AA5.80607@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <991676.3827.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=aw6o8gcHgbhOR6QIrY06VUeQoeZWcEWz2wJcser1ja41dhH3kqPx X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Checked today and it was occuring through daylight hours as well. No apartment here, live in a house.. Who knows what it is... --- Possum Hunter wrote: > clemsonbloke wrote: > > It's been happening at night for a while. > > > > AH! Night time is the key! Did you or one of your > neighbors get a spiffy > new CF Lamp to save the Earth from the Evil Power > Company Coal plants, > or get a Touch lamp? When i was a kid, mom got a > touch lamp when they > first came out and it tore up my old Tube Silvertone > radio. What I did > to fix it was the next thunderstorm we had when I > was alone, I gave that > lamp a dose of 240 Volts from the Dryer outlet. > After it was "Hit by > Lightning", mom never got another one! LOL > > You may want to take a cheap pocket radio and go > around looking for the > source of the hum. It could be a loose Neutral or > ground wire in your > electrical. I had an electronic controlled Microwave > that ate up the > Short-Wave band unless it was unplugged. > > I know you live in an Apartment building, so you may > just be screwed. If > you have a favorite station that is getting jammed > by the Hum, perhaps a > friend in another part of the complex will let you > run a SRF-A300 into > an FM Modulator in his apartment so you can listen > to that station on > FM? Perhaps a Shielded loop antenna could null out > the hum? > > Good luck! > > Kevin > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From robert.w.welch@att.net Mon Nov 26 17:58:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42571 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 01:58:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 01:58:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.145) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 01:58:55 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 01:58:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 01:58:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 01:58:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:58:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c82ffb$a58df5a0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Speaking of HD radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=7NISf0T8HgaTRx1GSORACagKCag-7EDqmFzKieyNyGU88XsN90vh X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 To be honest, I haven't seen much of Mr Ray either around here. The=20 only New York station I can decode for more than 15 to 20 seconds...=20 and we are hovering around the shortest days of the year... keep that=20 in note... is WCBS or WFAN for the note that they have the same=20 transmit point. I haven't seen WOR decode ever here in Vermont. I always note the irony that the best WCBS signal comes in right under=20 the WDEV 550 transmitter. Full blast HD comes in there... whether the=20 transmitter is on or not. I'm holding out for the snowpack this=20 upcoming winter to help out the signals a little along with the long=20 nighttime hours and cold temps.=20=20 I'm always a "keep both eyes open" kind of person when approaching this=20 stuff. But, so far it isn't looking good. Hearing the HD flip back=20 and forth to me is more annoying to listen to than the white noise=20 caused by one particular station in New York while I try to listen to=20 WGN Chicago at night. WBZ doesn't even decode enough to change the 1030 to WBZ AM at night=20 reciently. I checked with the CE and he informed me the HD is still=20 on. So, there I am. WBZ usually slams into Central Vermont in December... and I mean slam=20 in like... WDEV would slam into Montpelier. That kind of slam. I already gave my Radi-osopy HD 100 to my dad down in Central=20 Massachusetts. The one in my car... will stay through the winter. I=20 will note that where I live... the only FM HD station is Vermont Public=20 Radio. I miss not having the RDS decode on FM because the HD-100 from=20 Kenwood lets its listeners think that the only way text can be=20 transmitted in an FM signal is with HD. The receiver which the HD-100=20 replaced decodes RDS... but not the HD-100. I have a feeling that when Red Sox have its pitchers and catchers=20 returning to Fort Meyers... that HD machine will have been whipped out=20 of my car too. And, I would be the most likely person to be interested in something=20 new... I'm 29! Bob Welch- WDEV --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang I had not seen Tom from WOR AM HD 710 post hear sense night=20 time approval of HD . Have any one else? Jim S >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 26 18:04:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81419 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 02:04:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 02:04:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 02:04:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98579 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2007 02:04:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FRk4WVQVM1lm5WWOB_yz4mzIZIZxDX_zZcWHjRgdhzPunfLv3jyWtUetEr17AeslZ8m0gpy9Pg-- X-Received: from [209.213.18.27] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:04:41 PST Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:04:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008b01c83086$ea18bda0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <430157.98529.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=zajPBFPUoV23DWjQ7Az0MDfXMhTSPcxVSunWynqxjcU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > The Phillips brand tends to be the best. If you can find them. I have 2 that have 3 U's. Long life they say, can be used on a dimmer and inside an enclosed fixture. Boy does THAT transmit....esspecially into the TV. This lamp is left on when I leave for WKDK in the morning, and it will be dark when I get home. I hunt for the better color corrected ones also. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 26 18:09:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47884 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 02:09:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 02:09:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 02:09:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 823 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2007 02:09:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: apcAPj4VM1kYXOTVPF9OcHVK78olmYXkb7Meh2hfwyoIVhtjfiHmTQKGtruVqdBouL9mQqnAew-- X-Received: from [209.213.18.27] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:09:44 PST Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:09:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <991676.3827.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <864198.463.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ruOThBNgSwlVuM1Y_KayMwTCzoAnTISvALlHb2wOyeI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Checked today and it was occuring through daylight > hours as well. No apartment here, live in a house.. > > Who knows what it is... Take a portable and go outside and walk around. Walk away from the house, and see what happens. See what happens when you get away from the power lines. If it goes away when you go out of the house, go back in and switch off breakers until it goes away. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Nov 26 18:26:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94272 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 02:26:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 02:26:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 02:26:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13698 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2007 02:26:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OQfVwCQVM1nE.6UncCHRaKsgJgYstUqgXXd6J5zszyZd3qaCyU0UULUnhf3RbXHA3w-- X-Received: from [70.20.9.154] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:26:44 PST Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:26:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <474A38CF.8090709@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <359721.12758.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} AudioCubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=-v15vBws-uxk97kGgGqmjLdn62XOzmEkJYT-HgtAAk6CifWeOjA7 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's an advantage to the SRF-300A in that if you're an A.M. station competing with an F.M. & you give away the 300s, chances are that the people who win the radios WON'T be able to hear your competition because the radios only tune to 90! "Whadya mean you can't hear 92.3?! I guess you'll just have to keep on listening to us!" Captive audience! Jay Possum Hunter wrote: clemsonbloke wrote: > Its dumb to buy that sony SRF-A300 when you can buy the nice Sangean receiver that does Am/FM/HD/CQUAM all in one unit for not much more. And THIS coming from the guy who gave me a hard time for buying that Sangean and "supporting the HD Crowd" instead of an Analog AM Stereo tuner such as that SRF-A300? Kevin --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 26 19:44:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63670 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 03:44:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 03:44:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 03:44:52 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c3b.24365228 (39953) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:44:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:44:49 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=C6q1DiPAdmp9oUkQcpPYcBuvHvKomfQ08vryuYslt6ZZQk3dRJfl4-stLQemIbmC X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most colleges have gone with licensed FM service, so there is alot of the old carrier current stuff around. It's just buried in storage. The university I attended had storage warehouses that looked like where the Arc of Covenant was stored in Raiders. One of the issues with carrier current broadcasting is that the coupler really needs to go at the main transformer or distribution panel to be most effective. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Nov 26 19:54:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93611 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 03:54:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 03:54:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.94) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 03:54:11 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 03:54:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.156] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 03:54:11 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp209.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 03:54:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 132538.29117.bm@omp209.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 66490 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2007 03:54:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 31I4UHMVM1n.N00zB77qljd4tdUHmz.dQRHO3GddWCVmfZveM1WgeEuXix_1Q9gQ25sviQOgKJZy1v5t5U9Mm7OMIjzhz0DwOnw5.2TIfTM6n7IlujS2rPw- X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:54:10 PST Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:54:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <864198.463.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <172312.64372.qm@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=DdIA1oYMNl-5bSRQ4TITpRJiSRyc2_yjwxGFW7YjPt-S4WCaslxs X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yeah I could do that. I was just worried if whatever the interference is could be unhealthy, like too much EMR from something that may be malfunctioning. --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > Checked today and it was occuring through daylight > > hours as well. No apartment here, live in a > house.. > > > > Who knows what it is... > > > Take a portable and go outside and walk around. Walk > away from the house, and see what happens. See what > happens when you get away from the power lines. If > it > goes away when you go out of the house, go back in > and > switch off breakers until it goes away. > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Nov 26 19:56:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58857 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 03:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 03:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bullet.mail.tp2.yahoo.com) (203.188.202.79) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 03:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from [202.43.196.224] by n3.bullet.mail.tp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 03:56:21 -0000 X-Received: from [217.12.4.214] by t1.bullet.tpe.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 03:56:21 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.28] by t1.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 03:56:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.155] by t1.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 03:56:20 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp208.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 03:56:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 756604.46412.bm@omp208.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 85648 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2007 03:56:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Sk.yQaEVM1k5dgCe3nf0SpYikg1VsD_tML5TQUtJT6cQJTzBWk_3kXmd8p2hLXWzUL3C9w9pUfmpUHpv002tNDICVZUt6DPI.iq7dwyf2d5l X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:56:19 PST Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:56:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <359721.12758.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <893261.78380.qm@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 203.188.202.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} AudioCubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=1Ls66c1MQaH-XiPIzPI44Dy8lLfJIlRyWsPgftSBzOHdJHQVqZ1O X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I wish these radios were made more reasonable priced. I'm sure in places like Australia where AM Stereo is big they are a lot cheaper and more choices of radios. It's a sin that after the FCC settled on format and after AMAX standards in 1993 that every single AM/FM doesnt include AM Stereo! --- JNR wrote: > There's an advantage to the SRF-300A in that if > you're an A.M. station competing with an F.M. & you > give away the 300s, chances are that the people who > win the radios WON'T be able to hear your > competition because the radios only tune to 90! > "Whadya mean you can't hear 92.3?! I guess you'll > just have to keep on listening to us!" > > Captive audience! > > Jay > > Possum Hunter wrote: > clemsonbloke wrote: > > Its dumb to buy that sony SRF-A300 when you can > buy the nice Sangean receiver that does > Am/FM/HD/CQUAM all in one unit for not much more. > > And THIS coming from the guy who gave me a hard > time for buying that > Sangean and "supporting the HD Crowd" instead of an > Analog AM Stereo > tuner such as that SRF-A300? > > Kevin > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 26 20:02:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63400 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 04:02:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 04:02:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.171) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 04:02:04 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bd0.1ffb506b (39953) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:46:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:46:58 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=cpG2uT2MJEqBgkbwqMvE4sTfLuw_E5NayfrC2vpAa1Qg-Hrlcf2OTOO6qKIKMi7k X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/26/07 6:08:51 PM Central Standard Time, clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk writes: > Checked today and it was occuring through daylight > hours as well. No apartment here, live in a house.. > Who knows what it is... > Check around on the Internet and see if you can tell where your nearest Loran-C station is located and how much power it has. The 100khz interval is very telling. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Nov 26 20:55:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81715 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 04:55:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 04:55:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 04:55:48 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c8a.165405ed (49391) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:55:15 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-192.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.192]) by ciaaol-d08.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD081-c0ef474ba33179; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:55:14 -0500 Message-ID: <003801c830b1$b3017160$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:55:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.192 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=K34sMcoXdPiru_LyKDJ3XWhcsOU2f0nlW0B4RQBVfjza2tNBJJ6p Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit if you have any that want to give the stuff away let me know seriously Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:44 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is 1710 khz Part 15 legal? Most colleges have gone with licensed FM service, so there is alot of the old carrier current stuff around. It's just buried in storage. The university I attended had storage warehouses that looked like where the Arc of Covenant was stored in Raiders. One of the issues with carrier current broadcasting is that the coupler really needs to go at the main transformer or distribution panel to be most effective. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Nov 26 22:26:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27308 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 06:26:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 06:26:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.170.190) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 06:26:44 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id v46so546767rnb for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:26:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.189.9 with SMTP id m9mr673279ybf.1196144803636; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:26:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5sm3007167roc.2007.11.26.22.26.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:26:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474B97A4.3040905@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:05:56 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <172312.64372.qm@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <172312.64372.qm@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=zYouaxvh__TB4RaiJRp62VMBCqZxUmWBqlYHiOYYBc-UQy441jjHkulVQrQ1lw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 clemsonbloke wrote: > Yeah I could do that. I was just worried if whatever the interference is could be unhealthy, like too much EMR from something that may be malfunctioning. I used to Engineer at 50,000 Watt WHYZ when they had the VP-50 and lived to tell about it, so you should be OK. Yes, the lights would stay lit, even when they were turned OFF! Kevin From robert.w.welch@att.net Mon Nov 26 22:57:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33104 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 06:57:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 06:57:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.195) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 06:57:32 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n4.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 06:57:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 06:57:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 06:57:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:57:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <474B97A4.3040905@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=pe1NqR5aGZr1EAfKXu7rQKYgiSZGtPQG0fhONHbvElhaIsqK7baZ X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 When I worked at WSTJ, I had to keep an eye on the original 1951 Gates- 1K all tube transmitter. That boy put out such heat we didn't need to=20 heat the ajoining studio except in the harshest of cold spells in the=20 winter. The consulting engineer once commented that if I wished we=20 could turn the beast into a rotisserie simply by building a spit and a=20 greese catcher above the 811As. I declined his offer... as there was a=20 nice yellow sticker on the machine indicating that it had within it=20 PCBs. I didn't find the least bit appetizing the thought of busting=20 out of there in event of a fire to call 911... and going down history=20 as the last jock at WSTJ! Bob.. now at WDEV, but am glad I can always come back to WSTJ and say=20 high on occasion. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > > clemsonbloke wrote: > > Yeah I could do that. I was just worried if whatever the=20 interference is could be unhealthy, like too much EMR from something=20 that may be malfunctioning. >=20 > I used to Engineer at 50,000 Watt WHYZ when they had the VP-50 and=20 lived=20 > to tell about it, so you should be OK. Yes, the lights would stay=20 lit,=20 > even when they were turned OFF! >=20 > Kevin > From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Nov 26 23:12:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88883 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 07:12:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 07:12:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 07:12:20 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ca6.217eecb9 (52480) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:12:10 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-192.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.192]) by ciaaol-d10.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD102-cd00474bc348116; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:12:09 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c830c4$d3d5b320$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:12:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.192 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=vTcN7973hYKrsgbu7YUMZL4kObDj3U2qx0wrcA0dWDpMollRd59C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit they still running that transmitter? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Welch To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:57 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Serious Question When I worked at WSTJ, I had to keep an eye on the original 1951 Gates- 1K all tube transmitter. That boy put out such heat we didn't need to heat the ajoining studio except in the harshest of cold spells in the winter. The consulting engineer once commented that if I wished we could turn the beast into a rotisserie simply by building a spit and a greese catcher above the 811As. I declined his offer... as there was a nice yellow sticker on the machine indicating that it had within it PCBs. I didn't find the least bit appetizing the thought of busting out of there in event of a fire to call 911... and going down history as the last jock at WSTJ! Bob.. now at WDEV, but am glad I can always come back to WSTJ and say high on occasion. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter wrote: > > clemsonbloke wrote: > > Yeah I could do that. I was just worried if whatever the interference is could be unhealthy, like too much EMR from something that may be malfunctioning. > > I used to Engineer at 50,000 Watt WHYZ when they had the VP-50 and lived > to tell about it, so you should be OK. Yes, the lights would stay lit, > even when they were turned OFF! > > Kevin > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 26 23:24:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47486 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 07:24:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 07:24:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 07:24:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d50.1971aac6 (39955) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:24:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:24:31 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=PzHEMuQJs57xan2M_LmvkfBkJ8vt1YhPJMGH_yjbM41ZOyCTWQDrESNdzoPyYPEf X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/27/07 12:27:07 AM Central Standard Time, thepossumhunter@gmail.com writes: > I used to Engineer at 50,000 Watt WHYZ when they had the VP-50 and lived > to tell about it, so you should be OK. Yes, the lights would stay lit, > even when they were turned OFF! > > Kevin, I just read a FCC citation for a FM station in Hawaii that used a utility pole for a tower. The center of radiation for 100,000 kW of ERP was 15 meters off ground! No need for a microwave oven in the transmitter shack. The only question is if the transmitter engineers' lunches got done before they did. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 26 23:26:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6055 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 07:26:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 07:26:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.243) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 07:26:44 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 07:26:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 07:26:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 07:26:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:26:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.216.15 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Speaking of HD radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=C86DLa3Y9dAE5GCdiegGfwr2Rakq6TUk5w2O3QXWoNOAYzqrS7sHtrbLtfqKAzEZGAc2sfEM X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Welch"=20 wrote: > > To be honest, I haven't seen much of Mr Ray either around here.=20=20 The=20 > only New York station I can decode for more than 15 to 20=20 seconds...=20 > and we are hovering around the shortest days of the year... keep=20 that=20 > in note... is WCBS or WFAN for the note that they have the same=20 > transmit point. I haven't seen WOR decode ever here in Vermont. >=20 > I always note the irony that the best WCBS signal comes in right=20 under=20 > the WDEV 550 transmitter. Full blast HD comes in there... whether=20 the=20 > transmitter is on or not. I'm holding out for the snowpack this=20 > upcoming winter to help out the signals a little along with the=20 long=20 > nighttime hours and cold temps.=20=20 >=20 > I'm always a "keep both eyes open" kind of person when approaching=20 this=20 > stuff. But, so far it isn't looking good. Hearing the HD flip=20 back=20 > and forth to me is more annoying to listen to than the white noise=20 > caused by one particular station in New York while I try to listen=20 to=20 > WGN Chicago at night. >=20 > WBZ doesn't even decode enough to change the 1030 to WBZ AM at=20 night=20 > reciently. I checked with the CE and he informed me the HD is=20 still=20 > on. So, there I am. >=20 > WBZ usually slams into Central Vermont in December... and I mean=20 slam=20 > in like... WDEV would slam into Montpelier. That kind of slam. >=20 > I already gave my Radi-osopy HD 100 to my dad down in Central=20 > Massachusetts. The one in my car... will stay through the winter.=20=20 I=20 > will note that where I live... the only FM HD station is Vermont=20 Public=20 > Radio. I miss not having the RDS decode on FM because the HD-100=20 from=20 > Kenwood lets its listeners think that the only way text can be=20 > transmitted in an FM signal is with HD. The receiver which the HD- 100=20 > replaced decodes RDS... but not the HD-100. >=20 > I have a feeling that when Red Sox have its pitchers and catchers=20 > returning to Fort Meyers... that HD machine will have been whipped=20 out=20 > of my car too. >=20 > And, I would be the most likely person to be interested in=20 something=20 > new... I'm 29! >=20 > Bob Welch- WDEV >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > Hi Gang I had not seen Tom from WOR AM HD 710 post hear sense=20 night=20 > time approval of HD . Have any one else? Jim S > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Bob My 2 local HD radio stations are KFBK AM HD 1530 this station=20 is still loud on analog and loud on side band noise to. The other is=20 KIDD AM HD 1470. My HD DX's are KNX AM HD 1070 and AM HD 1090=20 calls ???? and KSL AM HD 1160 and some times KEX AM HD 1190. I don't=20 owen a HD radio. I am still on the fence on this one. Is it worth it=20 on AM HD? I herd it sounded like a web cast YUUUK!!!It seems to me=20 that some thing that puts out that much noise dose'nt need to be on=20 the air on both AM and FM. Its realy to bad that hardly any one wants=20 to keep on there AM STEREO with NO massive noise and MORE reliealbe=20 reception then HD radio. To ME AM STEREO is way more sapeareor than=20 HD radio. Any way thats my 2 cents werth still. Jim S From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 26 23:34:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58334 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 07:34:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 07:34:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 07:34:28 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c32.1e23bee3 (39955) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:34:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:34:21 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=m3PlOq9VR1TvCMq8TOz5ESzmUTwGuABMcuh_vZZFHSGps0IgPof6uYC1f24GWmVc X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/27/07 12:57:51 AM Central Standard Time, robert.w.welch@att.net writes: > The consulting engineer once commented that if I wished we > could turn the beast into a rotisserie simply by building a spit and a > greese catcher above the 811As They don't call those glass forced air cooling jackets "chimneys" for nothing. Rotisserie? I can see it now. Ron Popeil's Showtime Barbeque and Rock Station. The cook/DJ could alternately load carts and hens. It would be a product taht was self-advertising. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 26 23:46:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15121 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 07:46:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 07:46:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.209) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 07:46:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54802 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 07:46:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@68.72.216.15 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 07:46:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BGDbnu4VM1muuz95_tRlZgq1tn64B1dBURlZu7wOMnqoc_.v2YlSGceYAQwiDhORMPH9cr5n1A-- Message-ID: <000a01c830c9$9af709a0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:46:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Hi Hank X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=7ThyZ-f45syBcTyIIVnZhsrT5bjce4lynfEIn2kr4hkjZMcS4UyXZKxb_6qnjL5BWHIA8XNw X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Hank With all the back and forth what have you decided to do with your ant for your AL . In doors or keep your out door ant? Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 27 01:06:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92387 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 09:06:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 09:06:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.123) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 09:06:14 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.28] by n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 09:06:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.132] by t1.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 09:06:14 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp105.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 09:06:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 51081.99656.bm@omp105.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 86717 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2007 09:06:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wb3Tw6IVM1mtZmRZJKBDk8umYnP91VHZ1ZXUo6hGP1oEFgrEjugWgIyY4yovTRTsqg-- X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:06:13 PST Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:06:13 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <474B97A4.3040905@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <40940.86294.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=h4Es_zEFqxobg7qgETwC_oNltQkHKJwM4p39rFMej-RjOj4CNQV1 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Possum, Yeah I remember the mighty WHYZ. I wish someone would buy that place and turn it into a first class AM stereo oldies station complete with some local news on the hour or something. It's sitting silent now, ive heard its for sale. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > clemsonbloke wrote: > > Yeah I could do that. I was just worried if > whatever the interference is could be unhealthy, > like too much EMR from something that may be > malfunctioning. > > I used to Engineer at 50,000 Watt WHYZ when they had > the VP-50 and lived > to tell about it, so you should be OK. Yes, the > lights would stay lit, > even when they were turned OFF! > > Kevin > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 27 01:19:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59704 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 09:19:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 09:19:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.mud.yahoo.com) (216.252.100.61) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 09:19:54 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 09:19:54 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.29] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 09:19:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.142] by t2.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 09:19:53 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 09:19:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 901603.87407.bm@omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 98319 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2007 09:19:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aGnYntMVM1mj42kMJWC9N0Ucd0bwditv.0A97OCeMISZPW7clB.jTlbCGgprZwD.NCiUF__o2YV6dJjN2RAV3OeneymU2.WXVTh3fOS7Ha9I X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:19:52 PST Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:19:52 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <943758.97277.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 216.252.100.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=rJb-DXCOo6dxkaffNfOTPYNP4OlmMdM1TFfsG-k_d7JHmXEdkzCi X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yeah I bet! Well it's just had me baffled because ive unplugged anything that I thoght was causing it. flourescent lights, you name it. Still buzz. Now I can get the normal stations 660, 950, 1280, 1330, 1440, 1490, etc but if you go off those theres buzz on like 600, 700, 800, 900, and so on. This is day and night. Now it doesnt affect local stations but it screws my DX listening at night. I went outside with a handheld and buzz all around. I wonder if someone in the neighborhood has something running they shouldnt? This started in the last month. I remember earlier in the year or last year people saying on here that the military was testing something on AM. I remember all those nights with solid tones that were heard all over on the same channel. I'm playing with the tuner now, seems to be some on 980 and 990 too. Could this be some IBOC crap? I wouldnt think because doesnt IBOC sound more like a beehive instead of a constant buzz? Hmm still messin with it 910, 920, 850, 840, 830, 780, 770, 760, 710, 700, 690, 640, 630, 620, 580, 570, 560, 550, 540. These are the ones I can hear, also on the upper 1680-1710. It's really loud on 1690 with a little higher pitched noise in there. I'd say it was strongest on 1690. I've even unplugged the internet stuff, routers, etc. Turned satellite radio off and unplugged. It's just insane. I can't figure it out. I am beginning to wonder if theres some transformer in the area about to malfunction or something. Would that not cause interference? It may not even be in the area. Could be travelling, as someone said, down the electrical lines. Anyway anymore ideas? -Kev > Kevin, > > I just read a FCC citation for a FM station in > Hawaii that used a utility > pole for a tower. The center of radiation for > 100,000 kW of ERP was 15 meters > off ground! > > No need for a microwave oven in the transmitter > shack. The only question is > if the transmitter engineers' lunches got done > before they did. > > Mike > > > > > ************************************** > Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest > products. > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ From ke7ief@aol.com Tue Nov 27 01:20:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71667 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 09:20:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 09:20:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 09:20:16 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c49.1e94a756 (37224) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:20:11 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-192.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.192]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA063-9168474be14822f; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:20:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c830d6$c6567ab0$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:20:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.192 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Speaking of HD radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=d0pHFRJEg8Gavc2U9hPxy5x872w_swqym9KXO6Axk0eJeVt12_N1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit if I could ever get kfbk to hd in here it is blasting desmorning around 1 am I would record you a sample you know this really sucks kex is about a hour from me, ksl is another am blaster and kfbk is a blaster there is know friggen reason why I am unable to recieve hd on these 2 at least. any other ideas besides the turk? this is really anoying. thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:26 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Speaking of HD radio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Welch" wrote: > > To be honest, I haven't seen much of Mr Ray either around here. The > only New York station I can decode for more than 15 to 20 seconds... > and we are hovering around the shortest days of the year... keep that > in note... is WCBS or WFAN for the note that they have the same > transmit point. I haven't seen WOR decode ever here in Vermont. > > I always note the irony that the best WCBS signal comes in right under > the WDEV 550 transmitter. Full blast HD comes in there... whether the > transmitter is on or not. I'm holding out for the snowpack this > upcoming winter to help out the signals a little along with the long > nighttime hours and cold temps. > > I'm always a "keep both eyes open" kind of person when approaching this > stuff. But, so far it isn't looking good. Hearing the HD flip back > and forth to me is more annoying to listen to than the white noise > caused by one particular station in New York while I try to listen to > WGN Chicago at night. > > WBZ doesn't even decode enough to change the 1030 to WBZ AM at night > reciently. I checked with the CE and he informed me the HD is still > on. So, there I am. > > WBZ usually slams into Central Vermont in December... and I mean slam > in like... WDEV would slam into Montpelier. That kind of slam. > > I already gave my Radi-osopy HD 100 to my dad down in Central > Massachusetts. The one in my car... will stay through the winter. I > will note that where I live... the only FM HD station is Vermont Public > Radio. I miss not having the RDS decode on FM because the HD-100 from > Kenwood lets its listeners think that the only way text can be > transmitted in an FM signal is with HD. The receiver which the HD- 100 > replaced decodes RDS... but not the HD-100. > > I have a feeling that when Red Sox have its pitchers and catchers > returning to Fort Meyers... that HD machine will have been whipped out > of my car too. > > And, I would be the most likely person to be interested in something > new... I'm 29! > > Bob Welch- WDEV > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > Hi Gang I had not seen Tom from WOR AM HD 710 post hear sense night > time approval of HD . Have any one else? Jim S > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Bob My 2 local HD radio stations are KFBK AM HD 1530 this station is still loud on analog and loud on side band noise to. The other is KIDD AM HD 1470. My HD DX's are KNX AM HD 1070 and AM HD 1090 calls ???? and KSL AM HD 1160 and some times KEX AM HD 1190. I don't owen a HD radio. I am still on the fence on this one. Is it worth it on AM HD? I herd it sounded like a web cast YUUUK!!!It seems to me that some thing that puts out that much noise dose'nt need to be on the air on both AM and FM. Its realy to bad that hardly any one wants to keep on there AM STEREO with NO massive noise and MORE reliealbe reception then HD radio. To ME AM STEREO is way more sapeareor than HD radio. Any way thats my 2 cents werth still. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Tue Nov 27 01:22:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13939 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 09:22:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 09:22:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.171) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 09:22:47 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c2d.22b96201 (37225) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:22:31 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-192.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.192]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA064-9169474be1d5335; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:22:30 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c830d7$1f55aeb0$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <000a01c830c9$9af709a0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:23:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.192 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi Hank X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=VE4WtH8OlclBdm35P-VNZ_xsZToPThYFe39FE7HlBlHFe7jmhrqd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit probably go in door I still need to find some one to build it for me if I could get the same range I was getting with the am stereo with the indoor I would rather do that then risk trying to deal with kids messing with it and risking the land lords really giving me a reason to kick me out as I said before they all ready are aware of my wire antanna for my amt 3000 and are letting it slide thus far but I don't want to push my luck if you get what I mean. thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:46 PM Subject: {AMSF} Hi Hank Hi Hank With all the back and forth what have you decided to do with your ant for your AL . In doors or keep your out door ant? Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 27 01:33:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18116 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 09:33:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 09:33:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.94) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 09:33:05 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 09:33:05 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.111.166] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 09:33:05 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp101.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 09:33:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 63443.5901.bm@omp101.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 29873 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2007 09:33:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RyH2ieIVM1ld.jOFWViodxnPzfUddBiGOGDzAoA4WfyAOrSwUxzy4gxqqTzplqVyz0tcpB0I0w22HJ7.4EK2u_h3RDYcMYLcm4Ez6GQaGbyhpbap564MMYE- X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:33:04 PST Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:33:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <171067.29804.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Speaking of HD radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=dpH6253lN5OBrnBQcytVpqPCJlDmnDPIwLTecqSeGsrOoLzEj2JD X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Thats sorta been my feeling about HD from all the material i've read and from accounts from people. If they are claiming the AM HD to be like FM then it should be much better than a low bit rate webcast. Now if it sounded like a 128K and above webcast then it would be superior for the most part. It's just when you get below the 96K threshold it becomes really muddy and in that respect you are right, it wouldn't be any better than current mono AM radio. I will say this. I've always loved Onkyo components for their clean power and still relatively low prices but I always thought their tuners were not so stellar. I had purchased two home theatre units from them about a year ago and they were still in the box. I had no reason to take them out of the box until I get the flat screen large tv. Well I decided to take one, the lower priced ($400) out of the box. I had been using a Sansui 2000X 1972 reciever on my desk with a pair of Yamaha studio monitors. I wanted the newer receiver out so I could pipe my digital line out of my computer into the new receiver. That way I can play music or content from my PC over it. I had been using my 1998 Onkyo TX-8511 reveiver in the other room as far as Onkyo was concerned. I never thought much about its tuner. Wow I pulled this newer one out and damn they've improved. This has to be the best sounding AM section i've heard in a stereo receiver in a long time. It's very clean and not muddy at all. On 1330 WORD and 660 here in Greenville it sounds as good as FM mono. Onkyo revamped a lot of their tuners and displays a couple years ago and got rid of those APR (auto precsicion tune, big lie, LOL!) tuners. Whatever they did they've improved the AM. I am not sure and I don't think its CQUAM but I can change listening modes while listening to AM. The listening modes are direct, stereo, and mono. I can't tell any difference because I can't get any CQUAM stations to test it. It's not advertised as such and I doubt it but as far as a normal AM mono tuner it sounds good. I was pleased. It's a HT-R530 Dolby Digital, DTS, 96/24 receiver with 110 watts X 7.1 channels. Alright enough of my babbling! I love talking about this stuff. Let me know what you guys think about this hum shit, its driving me nuts. -kev > Hi Bob My 2 local HD radio stations are KFBK AM HD > 1530 this station > is still loud on analog and loud on side band noise > to. The other is > KIDD AM HD 1470. My HD DX's are KNX AM HD 1070 and > AM HD 1090 > calls ???? and KSL AM HD 1160 and some times KEX AM > HD 1190. I don't > owen a HD radio. I am still on the fence on this > one. Is it worth it > on AM HD? I herd it sounded like a web cast > YUUUK!!!It seems to me > that some thing that puts out that much noise > dose'nt need to be on > the air on both AM and FM. Its realy to bad that > hardly any one wants > to keep on there AM STEREO with NO massive noise and > MORE reliealbe > reception then HD radio. To ME AM STEREO is way more > sapeareor than > HD radio. Any way thats my 2 cents werth still. Jim > S > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 27 01:35:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1425 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 09:35:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 09:35:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.145) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 09:35:05 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 09:35:05 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 09:35:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 09:35:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:35:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001501c830d7$1f55aeb0$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.216.15 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi Hank X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=_HrzOUhVf9P16ucSkFwGiQ99QSzzJvU_8ImblFwKwPVUHloKyDaZAIkIlSnv2rJ4bjNC0xsB X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > probably go in door > I still need to find some one to build it for me > if I could get the same range I was getting with the am stereo with=20 the indoor I would rather do that then risk trying to deal with kids=20 messing with it and risking the land lords really giving me a reason=20 to kick me out > as I said before they all ready are aware of my wire antanna for my=20 amt 3000 and are letting it slide thus far but I don't want to push=20 my luck if you get what I mean. > thanks > Hank > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jimsmith95663@...=20 > To: am stereo forum=20 > Cc: jim smith=20 > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:46 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Hi Hank >=20 >=20 > Hi Hank With all the back and forth what have you decided to do=20 with your ant for your AL . In doors or keep your out door ant? Jim S >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Hank I can't blame you i think that the inside one would be good=20 for you. If nothing eles you can cover your apt. bulding. I herd=20 that you have one or Am Stereo stations neer you. KLOG AM STEREO 1490=20 Jim S From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 27 01:35:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50679 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 09:35:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 09:35:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.91) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 09:35:47 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 09:35:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.135] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 09:35:46 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp108.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 09:35:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 676211.20059.bm@omp108.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 30988 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2007 09:35:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LC7pzmMVM1khaBMwDJ.YHo2LJaW5IUo277YzjBly6SX94IrWG9t4HK_8kasUiYCUrcHeumGNNo60i_R87YsScSQXYc0oKhmHDZlezRUDT2_o X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:35:45 PST Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:35:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <696924.29909.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=cGLk7W3QAT1ivpJYFu5Hn_3WGckqrhoNSptNiQcrD5qI-nOhyLSp X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Hahaha that made my day, LOL!!! Load carts and Hens!!! Boy what a novel idea. Course i'm sure many a radio DJ on the old AM's had a grill out back that someone could cook on if need! Sorta like firemen. Where theres men theres possibly going to be some eating of food. Damn I'm hungry now! But yeah carts and hens, lol, thats the line of the day! --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/27/07 12:57:51 AM Central > Standard Time, > robert.w.welch@att.net writes: > > > > The consulting engineer once commented that if I > wished we > > could turn the beast into a rotisserie simply by > building a spit and a > > greese catcher above the 811As > > They don't call those glass forced air cooling > jackets "chimneys" for > nothing. > > Rotisserie? I can see it now. Ron Popeil's > Showtime Barbeque and Rock > Station. The cook/DJ could alternately load carts > and hens. It would be a product > taht was self-advertising. > > Mike > > > ************************************** > Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest products. > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Nov 27 03:19:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60654 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 11:19:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 11:19:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.182) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 11:19:14 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id s27so416222ele for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:19:14 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.78.170.6 with SMTP id s6mr4010326hue.1196162353651; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:19:13 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.78.138.1 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:19:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80711270319w6242cc87hb7afeaa6ee24a71b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:19:13 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=Q0_L_0xxB63u0zxjVpW53HO1Inaoup10l8ghR-8-_mNt85wdQ7dj7zu- X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mr. Bell: Turning What is now WCSZ into a "first class" AM Stereo oldies station with local news just isn't going to happen. As much as you'd like it to, it won't. Why? It's not financially fesible. The station has a DOG signal at night. Oldies has been tried before in Greenville... I wouldn't call 103.3 a real oldies station as all that crap is paid time. If you think it'd work so well, pony up the $1.5 millon to Dr Cherry and The Tama Broadcasting folks would ask for it. .AND YOU DO IT. Most likely, whoever buys 1070 will take it religious or ethnic programming. Things just can't be like you wish they used to be..get with the times, move on and get in step with the times. 1070 also needs a fair amount of work done to it too. Nothing too major, but it needs work.. just ask the engineer. I figure that with the programming, resources, staffing and technology you'd like to have, it would cost around $30,000 a month to run that station. Do you have ANY idea how much the electric bill ALONE for the station would be? You keep repeating your wishes and dreams for 1070, we get your point.. you've said it time and time again... pony up the bucks to get it done yourself or drop it. Paul Walker ********************************************* Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:06 am (PST) Possum, Yeah I remember the mighty WHYZ. I wish someone would buy that place and turn it into a first class AM stereo oldies station complete with some local news on the hour or something. It's sitting silent now, ive heard its for sale. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > clemsonbloke wrote: > I used to Engineer at 50,000 Watt WHYZ when they had > the VP-50 and lived > to tell about it, so you should be OK. Yes, the > lights would stay lit, > even when they were turned OFF! > > Kevin > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 27 06:14:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26044 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 14:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 14:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.159) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 14:14:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10119 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2007 14:14:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: P1_L0h0VM1ljgS_LBRIokQw8bbXwffCvSM8Hlxzmqvd5i1mr3choYo4gpTL6t.IOJoAcQUBRqM0P38rMHILT9n0Ej50RKnMLRSuyjCvj8LJhyak- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:14:02 PST Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:14:02 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <360606.9709.qm@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: More AM Noise Generators X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=jyr_dJHL-v2NZcx909h6bZPytEFlP4WNkuuTW233d_jIlPSPUWWNWyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Noise generators: those fluorescent screw-in lightbulbs and 'switching' power supplies for cellphone chargers and XM satrad power supplies! More and more keep going on the list. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Nov 27 07:17:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76422 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 15:17:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 15:17:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qb-out-0506.google.com) (72.14.204.224) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 15:17:27 -0000 X-Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id a16so900142qbd for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:17:27 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.143.160.1 with SMTP id m1mr959671wfo.1196176647034; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:17:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k3sm3640619rog.2007.11.27.07.17.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:17:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474C34E0.7000301@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:16:48 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 72.14.204.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=YllVPxRR0IJDt8iRuC_I0MogXRa2yZjqtAmppUunk3VkCrefeVIOyyD8DcP8bQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I just read a FCC citation for a FM station in Hawaii that used a utility pole for a tower. The center of radiation for 100,000 kW of ERP was 15 meters off ground! > GOOD GRIEF! I am GLAD I ain't their Engineer! But then if I was their engineer, I would have NEVER put such a set-up together. But then, I did run WFIS on a Kenwood TS-440 for a day while waiting on parts for the SX-1A. The FUNNY thing was listeners were calling to say how much BETTER the station sounded and asked if we had a new transmitter!!! Another time I ran it on a Alpha-Delta Sloper antenna while I was rebuilding the ATU at the tower. Anything to stay on the air! Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Nov 27 08:02:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26579 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 16:02:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 16:02:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.180) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 16:02:07 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so425512ele for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:02:06 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.246.8 with SMTP id t8mr993427wfh.1196179325952; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:02:05 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h5sm3696629roe.2007.11.27.08.01.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:02:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474C3F5B.6020107@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:01:31 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <40940.86294.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <40940.86294.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=Dbh0IOxq5s3JVeFSlvSISNsd-7wwF_lc3fU883fmzZErZjJOQbomgA-TqA5sRw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 clemsonbloke wrote: > Yeah I remember the mighty WHYZ. I wish someone would buy that place and turn it into a first class AM stereo oldies station complete with some local news on the hour or something. A couple of years ago, Cox was going to buy it and turn it into "Another WSB". Just before the ink was going to hit the paper, they actually went up and saw the place...then RAN from it! Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Nov 27 08:04:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45437 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 16:04:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 16:04:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.164) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 16:04:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3008 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2007 16:04:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: m_ZeHSUVM1lFsbdOieOLwOvp_7Y2YSEBsbcH_s_lTDJIvrbnr9Yk9oL3R0wKOrsGFIna4hZQqg-- X-Received: from [209.213.18.69] by web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:04:36 PST Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:04:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <172312.64372.qm@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <938999.3001.qm@web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=DDzkGTITjcUP81ZYLiOZHW7XjvtDI_CbHszPnep2SmY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW No, if the interference were bad enough to be unhealty, you wouldn't get anything most likely. Don't worry about that. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Nov 27 08:35:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2775 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 16:35:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 16:35:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.225) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 16:35:41 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c49so921202wra for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:35:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.230.11 with SMTP id c11mr1017005wfh.1196180909543; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:28:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k6sm3675875rog.2007.11.27.08.28.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:28:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474C4594.1000106@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:28:04 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <943758.97277.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <943758.97277.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=_2sey92rw1-DXsV-UejEL54opG3hb7ZHvjVHVJgu9E-Iaxz2jlPPuLIIN1ZBHw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 I just thought of something... Is Duke Power trying Broadband Internet by Power Line in your area? I do know they were playing with the idea a couple of years ago. Internet by power line can make a helluva mess on Medium Wave and Short-Wave. Do you have any ground loops, like the telephone or Cable TV grounded to a different Ground rod than the Power? Even if you keep all of the different ground rods, they should be bonded together. I would get a pocket radio and go over all of the house looking for loose Neutral connections. Do you have any bad electrical outlets? Outside outlets love to go bad and get "Leaky". When you throw the Main Breaker to your house, does the hum go away? Use the same pocket radio and walk outside away from the house in all directions to see if the signal is coming from off-property. Be sure to check around the Power Poles. Duke Power WILL fix RFI from bad transformers and bad connections on the poles because they make them loose money too. They have scanners that look at the power wires to find heat from loose connections. ANY loose electrical connection is like a small Spark Gap transmitter! Any vines or trees growing up and getting into the Power Poles or lines? Get any new LED traffic lights in your area? When you go out to the telephone junction box and unplug your phone does the noise go away? Bad DSL filters also make a racket on AM. Just trying to give you some ideas... Kevin clemsonbloke wrote: > Yeah I bet! Well it's just had me baffled because ive unplugged anything that I thoght was causing it. From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Nov 27 09:58:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36909 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 17:58:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 17:58:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 17:58:47 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d1e.1303d3c9 (32913) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:58:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:58:43 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi Hank X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=8VIenbcZ63GbO2G0HHr_a4oMBQyUHHPgzTImCatIgeotuKUhP4h_MXJSK-12nsoJ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hank, How high are your ceilings? Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Nov 27 10:05:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79510 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 18:05:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 18:05:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 18:05:26 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c93.1b0a5370 (32913) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:05:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:05:18 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=aJBsMTYGKCBzS-OLXd9sLMnbaqSkulvFRYWBwbJXlrLZsrf-Hjgej1yG4RDh5luZ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or maybe roast chestnuts over the finals like the street vendors in front of the British Museum in London this time of year. Yes, I do indeed know of a station that had a bbq grill behind the station. Ten feet out the back door, you're in a cornfield. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Nov 27 10:24:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15977 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 18:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 18:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 18:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c34.1f36053e (32913) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:24:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:24:43 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=lmGn73HUM4LlnRY6uRYv1gLjmk5hbILEdCqgp0OtHgd36-dt_l44N8dAb2VlP3oI X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, Good ideas, but I couldn't help but notice the poster has a "uk" country suffix. 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(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Nov 27 10:31:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3059 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 18:31:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 18:31:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 18:31:33 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c35.20f76f99 (32913) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:31:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:31:23 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: New Kind of Antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=B-xvnDAGeAeOAi6S-akbwndz7rmrvylFjqGjBw_Z22cI0BZZH4LY-Qakdsu1ur6Y X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been toying around with applying an antenna design for use in Part 15 extended band AM broadcasting. It doesn't require a ground, which means it would be possible to mount high in air without running into any controversy with the FCC. I'm not looking to make anything from the project. However, with the cost of copper pipe what it is, it looks to be expensive just for the raw materials. I am still waiting to hear from Chris as to what load (as in ohms) the board is supposed to work into. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Nov 27 10:38:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50096 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 18:38:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 18:38:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s23.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.223) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 18:38:14 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.85]) by bay0-omc3-s23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:33:56 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:33:56 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 24.225.253.63 by BAY103-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:33:55 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:34:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2007 18:33:56.0806 (UTC) FILETIME=[11D8BE60:01C83124] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Kind of Antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=V_aX7uRhJpPnXcjpVDoEnm5HrFl7nEfvaRn4OUiSwfUh X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the A.I. CQUAM works into 50 ohm load. ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:31 PM Subject: {AMSF} New Kind of Antenna I have been toying around with applying an antenna design for use in Part 15 extended band AM broadcasting. It doesn't require a ground, which means it would be possible to mount high in air without running into any controversy with the FCC. I'm not looking to make anything from the project. However, with the cost of copper pipe what it is, it looks to be expensive just for the raw materials. I am still waiting to hear from Chris as to what load (as in ohms) the board is supposed to work into. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Nov 27 10:59:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56950 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 18:59:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 18:59:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.170.188) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 18:59:17 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id a43so770466rne for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:59:15 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.89.9 with SMTP id m9mr1150403wfb.1196189955640; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:59:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d34sm3937091roh.2007.11.27.10.59.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:59:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474C68F0.60301@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:58:56 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <8bce0fe80711270319w6242cc87hb7afeaa6ee24a71b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80711270319w6242cc87hb7afeaa6ee24a71b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=h7BJoF-VAnEMRQoDto3KEBUeeuhWk4csQw-cOxJnu4rbHIbjJGR-SHEcd4WNlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > It's not financially fesible. The station has a DOG signal at night. > It covers all of Greenville and the "money" areas of the County at night. > Oldies has been tried before in Greenville. Oldies has only been done Half-Assed since WFBC-FM Flipped in the 1990s WGVC was a bad joke and STILL drew better numbers than many stations. Tama did EVERYTHING wrong with Oldies on 1070, and you are right, 103.3 is NOT a real oldies station, nor was it the first go-around with oldies simulcasting 103.9. > If you think it'd work so well, pony up the $1.5 millon to Dr Cherry and The Tama Broadcasting folks would ask for it. .AND YOU DO IT. > I too think it would work, but I don't think it would be wise for a first time radio station owner to start off with a 50 KW Beast stand-alone AM in a Medium sized market that has become an FM Town. I would start off with a 1KW Non-D in a small town far enough outside of a big market not to compete for advertising $$$ with the 100 KW FMs...Kinda like WABV or WPCC. > Most likely, whoever buys 1070 will take it religious or ethnic programming. That staion has been Silent more than it has been on the air since Z-104 blew them away in the late 1980s. 99% of the problem is Tama. They just will NOT let a local GM do his job and run that station as he sees fit. They just will not learn that Greenville SC is a VERY different world than Tampa FL. If somebody spent the $$$ to turn it into a GOOD News-Talker they could really give WYRD-WORD a fit too. back in the day, WHYZ had a helluva signal all down into the Low Country from Charlston, SC to Jacksonville, FL If somebody spent a LOT of money on that station, I think it would pay for itself in short order, but it will ALWAYS loose money if it is run like Tama runs it. > I figure that with the programming, resources, staffing and technology you'd like to have, it would cost around $30,000 a month to run that station. Do you have ANY idea how much the electric bill ALONE for the station would be? > When I was there in the VP-50 days, $30,000 wouldn't cover the Electric bill at 50,000 Watts! Even if you had to lease a DX-50, the payments would be MUCH cheaper than the power bill would be to feed the MW-50. The bottom line is there HAS to be a very good reason Cox, CBS, Clear Channel, and Entercom have ALL ran away from that station. I don't know what they saw, but SOMETHING sure scared them away. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Nov 27 11:05:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18505 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 19:05:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 19:05:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hu-out-0506.google.com) (72.14.214.229) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 19:05:10 -0000 X-Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 28so1127525hub for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:05:09 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.102.5 with SMTP id z5mr1157962wfb.1196190309352; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:05:09 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a13sm3988450rof.2007.11.27.11.04.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:05:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474C6A38.6090803@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:04:24 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 72.14.214.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=1WzzBOQ-18ayvPVa-N1x0ZMUM5P-g4Ym_VoSBTujjrWRZ6GUhhpc6qy4ia2a4g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Yes, I do indeed know of a station that had a bbq grill behind the station. Both WJKI and WAIM / WROQ did. I had a NICE Tomato patch growing inside of the Tower Fence at WCKI. For some reason that RF really made those Tomatoes GROW! Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Nov 27 11:17:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52760 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 19:17:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 19:17:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qb-out-0506.google.com) (72.14.204.231) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 19:17:59 -0000 X-Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id p36so1030736qba for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:17:55 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.134.15 with SMTP id h15mr2122432rvd.1196191075404; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:17:55 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n67sm8235213pyh.2007.11.27.11.17.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:17:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474C6D48.9070901@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:17:28 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 72.14.204.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=1LOmywK8lclkmr4LIgMYkXBds_zc-TSP5v3ozVrPkOV__tQYL89MpoxbN_YACw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I couldn't help but notice the poster has a "uk" country suffix. That is because he signed up for yahoo mail at http://uk.yahoo.com/ instead of http://www.yahoo.com/ I do know now he is in my old Home Town. I used to have a Russian "RU" address I used as a spam trap for a while. Kevin From ke7ief@aol.com Tue Nov 27 12:20:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26772 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 20:20:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 20:20:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 20:20:12 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ced.216d88a9 (37257) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:20:00 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-192.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.192]) by cia-ma07.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA077-9189474c7bef3ae; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:20:00 -0500 Message-ID: <008a01c83132$f4b83d60$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:20:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.192 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi Hank X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=RccigMKRP7EWfaVVz9FWgiXJRkXkQee_xBpfcq2EgCVF4qc0_4dq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit don't know will have some one measure them and get back to you. ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 9:58 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi Hank Hank, How high are your ceilings? Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Tue Nov 27 12:25:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76889 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 20:25:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 20:25:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 20:25:58 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d09.230abab3 (37174) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:25:29 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-192.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.192]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA051-9136474c7d36349; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:25:27 -0500 Message-ID: <00ba01c83133$bc973b60$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <474C6D48.9070901@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:26:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.192 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=BB0_qyVKjuVhudHaSYbmUaimvWodX30Kb0oc7YEEy7bHGF8pN8LB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oooo what company? am trying to find a spam trap and a .ru would do the trick can you email me off list? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:17 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I couldn't help but notice the poster has a "uk" country suffix. That is because he signed up for yahoo mail at http://uk.yahoo.com/ instead of http://www.yahoo.com/ I do know now he is in my old Home Town. I used to have a Russian "RU" address I used as a spam trap for a while. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Tue Nov 27 14:10:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9215 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 22:10:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 22:10:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.200) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 22:09:59 -0000 X-Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mail.aol.com [172.20.114.176]) by imr-m06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN9-a474c95ab20a; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:09:47 -0400 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c18.23ab0288 (37230) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:13:43 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-192.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.192]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA067-916e474c7a752c8; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:13:42 -0500 Message-ID: <005a01c83132$0dc79a90$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:14:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.114.176 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi Hank X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=UaScWBmhZ_QsH7o5DUdibvuxaYPO9M2EeiuO2wuFdXtzA6dxZdiK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can't seem to pick that one up want to to its a awesome one. ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:35 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi Hank --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > probably go in door > I still need to find some one to build it for me > if I could get the same range I was getting with the am stereo with the indoor I would rather do that then risk trying to deal with kids messing with it and risking the land lords really giving me a reason to kick me out > as I said before they all ready are aware of my wire antanna for my amt 3000 and are letting it slide thus far but I don't want to push my luck if you get what I mean. > thanks > Hank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jimsmith95663@... > To: am stereo forum > Cc: jim smith > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:46 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Hi Hank > > > Hi Hank With all the back and forth what have you decided to do with your ant for your AL . In doors or keep your out door ant? Jim S > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Hank I can't blame you i think that the inside one would be good for you. If nothing eles you can cover your apt. bulding. I herd that you have one or Am Stereo stations neer you. KLOG AM STEREO 1490 Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Nov 27 14:12:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80729 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 22:12:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 22:12:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 22:12:21 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bff.27e4af4c (42808) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:11:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:11:41 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=W44XIaugn3KuB6Sh6novWfriKv5VijcLCFx9yc6-iImDBzWaTbnLbqZ4nlGIe5cQ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, That DOES change things. I was wondering how he was getting 60 hz. power line modulation in the UK, not the mention U.S. stations. I thought he was getting skip. By the way, just prior to the war, the Queen of England used to listen to WLW 700 from Cincinnatti in London. Isn't it amazing what 500,000 watts of AM power will do? Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Nov 27 14:20:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91895 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 22:20:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 22:20:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 22:20:09 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d5a.163c5e21 (42808) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:19:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:19:56 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ns0sqjBywtzharmqpwuCGo6ZPsEVSlzP6tdklM_EVk6Dae0WSGQ9ubDWFIi18UAq X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/27/07 1:05:50 PM Central Standard Time, thepossumhunter@gmail.com writes: > Both WJKI and WAIM / WROQ did. I had a NICE Tomato patch growing inside > of the Tower Fence at WCKI. For some reason that RF really made those > Tomatoes GROW! > Consider yourself lucky you didn't open the Tower Fence gate one day and have one of those tomatoes eat you instead of the other way around. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. 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(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Nov 27 14:27:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66621 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 22:27:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 22:27:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.162.231) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 22:27:25 -0000 X-Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i1so813746nzh for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:27:24 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.178.5 with SMTP id f5mr2234672rvp.1196202444760; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:27:24 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p13sm4244950roh.2007.11.27.14.27.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:27:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474C99A7.4020409@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:26:47 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <474C6D48.9070901@gmail.com> <00ba01c83133$bc973b60$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> In-Reply-To: <00ba01c83133$bc973b60$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=Qj-lVUfeMtTODdyyiDSUfIQE7J9osJCLGoN0O094LzbABMJI9qCaXEgb8RIsbQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 hank smith wrote: > oooo what company? am trying to find a spam trap and a .ru would do the trick can you email me off list? > The one I used is long since dead. Google is your friend! Kevin From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 27 14:35:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11611 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 22:35:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 22:35:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bullet.mail.re4.yahoo.com) (206.190.56.20) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 22:35:50 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n1.bullet.re4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 22:35:50 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.111.167] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 22:35:50 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp102.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 22:35:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 80138.4518.bm@omp102.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 63853 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2007 22:35:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: guppf6UVM1ma0VwdhVyBt_H8dk7i0hz0iBkAatzuPuXHvN1nnGS.oL.J_T9CVqzGNl3y4KGpzx5o3j_tTZ29GsS_PX3rmz5C3qsfoA8ltZzF X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:35:49 PST Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:35:49 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <474C4594.1000106@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <152101.62792.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.56.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=SMz3FrlddZDORR77CAnhMDLire3FLu7z55j40j-dTXwiD-O7Ieib X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Have to look into some of that. So far nothing has worked. Ha I wonder what the neighbors thing when they see me walking around with a tiny transistor, LOL! --- Possum Hunter wrote: > I just thought of something... > > Is Duke Power trying Broadband Internet by Power > Line in your area? I do > know they were playing with the idea a couple of > years ago. Internet by > power line can make a helluva mess on Medium Wave > and Short-Wave. > > Do you have any ground loops, like the telephone or > Cable TV grounded to > a different Ground rod than the Power? Even if you > keep all of the > different ground rods, they should be bonded > together. > > I would get a pocket radio and go over all of the > house looking for > loose Neutral connections. Do you have any bad > electrical outlets? > Outside outlets love to go bad and get "Leaky". When > you throw the Main > Breaker to your house, does the hum go away? > > Use the same pocket radio and walk outside away from > the house in all > directions to see if the signal is coming from > off-property. Be sure to > check around the Power Poles. Duke Power WILL fix > RFI from bad > transformers and bad connections on the poles > because they make them > loose money too. They have scanners that look at the > power wires to find > heat from loose connections. ANY loose electrical > connection is like a > small Spark Gap transmitter! Any vines or trees > growing up and getting > into the Power Poles or lines? > > Get any new LED traffic lights in your area? > > When you go out to the telephone junction box and > unplug your phone does > the noise go away? Bad DSL filters also make a > racket on AM. > > Just trying to give you some ideas... > > Kevin > > > clemsonbloke wrote: > > Yeah I bet! Well it's just had me baffled because > ive unplugged anything that I thoght was causing it. > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Nov 27 14:37:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49748 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 22:37:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 22:37:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 22:37:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19924 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2007 22:37:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _XjfsXAVM1ns5ODRkTj_b9ODEfY5maoKxsQQji2sFoWJGyue9gQVbDOadZ6rKb3JKvE4dWh04A-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:37:10 PST Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:37:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <152101.62792.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <153663.19866.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=V87_wGcOpEU1NY8MsZ5g6GWWpzcIiJRxGU4rwhLKWTE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Have to look into some of that. So far nothing has > worked. Ha I wonder what the neighbors thing when > they see me walking around with a tiny transistor, > LOL! Use the car and drive around. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From robert.w.welch@att.net Tue Nov 27 15:16:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5164 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 23:16:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 23:16:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.138) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 23:16:09 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 23:16:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 23:16:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 23:16:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:16:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001201c830c4$d3d5b320$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=PiR9j02vqntY3_S_7ya9hPKh6tw4LF7VHFkZVARM8bgoVBL-aPKr X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 The Gates 1K's removal is a story in itself... Yes, it did need to be=20 removed after a family of tiny garter snakes found the transmitter a=20 nice warm place to hang out. The snakes then... found their end in=20 this world due to being the completion of a circuit in the old Gates=20 1K. We always told the GM/ owner at WSTJ that it would be in his best=20 interest to invest in a new transmitter. However, he would always=20 find some reason to change the subject. The GM doesn't like=20 snakes... and when he got word.. nearly 6 years ago now... that a=20 family of snakes turned into toast after completing a circuit thus=20 causing the Gates to overheat... Well, it was an emergency now and=20 the boss had to take care of it. Final part of the story... Over the decades, WSTJ 1340 had a sister=20 station on the FM side built and it needed a studio... A wall was=20 built between the newer FM studio and behind the new wall, the WSTJ=20 transmitter room. This room minus the wall was originally the=20 engineer's office.. The radio station itself is built in an old=20 barn... the station facilities down stairs was where the stalls used=20 to be for the 5 cows and the upstairs where the family lived is most=20 of the sales office space. Go figure... this is Vermont. A problem arose due to the FM station being built when it finally=20 became time to take out the Gates-1K... and I just discribed it. We=20 decided we had to take apart the old Gates-1K and remove it in=20 pieces... it now resides in Coventry, VT in the home of a Lyndon=20 State College television station engineer and will be converted into=20 an 80-metre Amateur Radio station when that person retires. It's=20 replacement? A Nautel 1,000 watt transmitter with... to make this=20 post topical... a nice switch marked "AM Stereo." Seeing as I work at WDEV now... I'm not sure how the AM Stereo thing=20 is going at WSTJ... but, I know they have a stereo board and a stereo=20 capable transmitter... and the station plays music... What it does=20 not have is a stereo Orban Optimod-AM... nor the actual stereo=20 exciter within the transmitter cabinet. I saw that the day it was=20 installed. But.. the tally light could go on... I think? Bob, WDEV Radio Vermont --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > they still running that transmitter? > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Bob Welch=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:57 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Serious Question >=20 >=20 > When I worked at WSTJ, I had to keep an eye on the original 1951=20 Gates- > 1K all tube transmitter. That boy put out such heat we didn't=20 need to=20 > heat the ajoining studio except in the harshest of cold spells in=20 the=20 > winter. The consulting engineer once commented that if I wished=20 we=20 > could turn the beast into a rotisserie simply by building a spit=20 and a=20 > greese catcher above the 811As. I declined his offer... as there=20 was a=20 > nice yellow sticker on the machine indicating that it had within=20 it=20 > PCBs. I didn't find the least bit appetizing the thought of=20 busting=20 > out of there in event of a fire to call 911... and going down=20 history=20 > as the last jock at WSTJ! >=20 > Bob.. now at WDEV, but am glad I can always come back to WSTJ and=20 say=20 > high on occasion. >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 > wrote: > > > > clemsonbloke wrote: > > > Yeah I could do that. I was just worried if whatever the=20 > interference is could be unhealthy, like too much EMR from=20 something=20 > that may be malfunctioning. > >=20 > > I used to Engineer at 50,000 Watt WHYZ when they had the VP-50=20 and=20 > lived=20 > > to tell about it, so you should be OK. Yes, the lights would=20 stay=20 > lit,=20 > > even when they were turned OFF! > >=20 > > Kevin > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From robert.w.welch@att.net Tue Nov 27 15:32:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84290 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 23:32:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 23:32:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 23:32:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 23:32:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2007 23:32:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:32:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <943758.97277.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=ST4iErZQQvow1NLnwenhLjRCOlHg5qso9LghOpJ_shYD1eADP7GX X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 I wonder if your local electric utility is in the midst of a=20 Broadband over Powerlines trial (a.k.a. BPL). It has become a topic=20 of much converstation amongst the Amateur Radio community..=20 especially in the general direction of Washington DC. Compared to=20 BPL... You'd consider IBOC a walk in the park... in the deadly=20 interference department. Bob, Radio Vermont KB1EVV --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke =20 wrote: > > Yeah I bet! Well it's just had me baffled because ive > unplugged anything that I thoght was causing it.=20 > flourescent lights, you name it. Still buzz. Now I > can get the normal stations 660, 950, 1280, 1330, > 1440, 1490, etc but if you go off those theres buzz on > like 600, 700, 800, 900, and so on. This is day and > night. Now it doesnt affect local stations but it > screws my DX listening at night. I went outside with > a handheld and buzz all around. I wonder if someone > in the neighborhood has something running they > shouldnt? This started in the last month. I remember > earlier in the year or last year people saying on here > that the military was testing something on AM. I > remember all those nights with solid tones that were > heard all over on the same channel. I'm playing with > the tuner now, seems to be some on 980 and 990 too.=20 > Could this be some IBOC crap? I wouldnt think because > doesnt IBOC sound more like a beehive instead of a > constant buzz? Hmm still messin with it 910, 920, > 850, 840, 830, 780, 770, 760, 710, 700, 690, 640, 630, > 620, 580, 570, 560, 550, 540. These are the ones I > can hear, also on the upper 1680-1710. It's really > loud on 1690 with a little higher pitched noise in > there. I'd say it was strongest on 1690. I've even > unplugged the internet stuff, routers, etc. Turned > satellite radio off and unplugged. It's just insane.=20 > I can't figure it out. I am beginning to wonder if > theres some transformer in the area about to > malfunction or something. Would that not cause > interference? It may not even be in the area. Could > be travelling, as someone said, down the electrical > lines. Anyway anymore ideas? >=20 >=20 > -Kev >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Kevin, > >=20 > > I just read a FCC citation for a FM station in > > Hawaii that used a utility=20 > > pole for a tower. The center of radiation for > > 100,000 kW of ERP was 15 meters=20 > > off ground! > >=20 > > No need for a microwave oven in the transmitter > > shack. The only question is=20 > > if the transmitter engineers' lunches got done > > before they did. > >=20 > > Mike > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ************************************** > > Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest=20 > > products. > >=20 > > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? NCID=3Daoltop00030000000001) > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you=20 > with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.=20=20 http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=3DAt9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ > From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Nov 27 15:37:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15284 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2007 23:37:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2007 23:37:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ag-out-0708.google.com) (72.14.246.245) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2007 23:37:45 -0000 X-Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 8so1514932agc for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:37:44 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.232.13 with SMTP id e13mr7664156anh.1196206664711; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:37:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w43sm4655845pyg.2007.11.27.15.37.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:37:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474CAA42.4070009@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:37:38 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 72.14.246.245 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=e5K4_eRi_I8974icPAfcioeV5mTQ_k_EftaFwT9ldbYyv1H-hQNXSgDXZx4gGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Consider yourself lucky you didn't open the Tower Fence gate one day and have one of those tomatoes eat you instead of the other way around. It COULD happen. Remember the Movie "Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes"? Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Nov 27 16:06:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52103 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 00:06:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2007 00:06:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.248) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 00:06:19 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c37so270647anc for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:06:16 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.252.16 with SMTP id z16mr7706579anh.1196208376387; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:06:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o34sm4324036rog.2007.11.27.16.05.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:06:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474CB0BC.3060203@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:05:16 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <152101.62792.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <152101.62792.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=RVjXi7t1jrGNlTt1t78cpERiGxf48GN1JH_scLONFwXHvXcBthdWuBmR786Qig X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 clemsonbloke wrote: > I wonder what the neighbors thing when they see me walking around with a tiny transistor, Tell them you are listening to the Aliens. You would be telling the TRUTH if you tune that radio to WGVL or WDAB! Kevin From robert.w.welch@att.net Tue Nov 27 16:06:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63898 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 00:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2007 00:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.141) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 00:06:40 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2007 00:06:40 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2007 00:06:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2007 00:06:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:06:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c830d6$c6567ab0$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Speaking of HD radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=Nj9G1VymBSImVIcs8h20QVuQhb7dbdotgk8qOgw5El1KVCJmA7Qr X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 My dad down in Central Mass tunes WBZ... and although the HD is on at=20 the transmitter... the HD doesn't actually start to decode after day=20 has broken for some oddball reason. My dad is about 40 miles from=20 what is by all accounts the biggest radio station plant in New=20 England... 50,000 watts and no pattern change necessary at night.=20=20 I've heard WBZ Radio 1030 along the shores of Lake Superior! and in a=20 room at The Congress Hotel in Chicago in my youth... in summer.. in=20 loud... real loud... and I can't pick up the station in the house I=20 grew up in? For pitty's sake. Bob --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > if I could ever get kfbk to hd in here it is blasting desmorning=20 around 1 am I would record you a sample > you know this really sucks > kex is about a hour from me, ksl is another am blaster and kfbk is=20 a blaster there is know friggen reason why I am unable to recieve hd=20 on these 2 at least. > any other ideas besides the turk? > this is really anoying. > thanks > Hank > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jim smith=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:26 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Speaking of HD radio >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Welch"=20 > wrote: > > > > To be honest, I haven't seen much of Mr Ray either around here.=20 > The=20 > > only New York station I can decode for more than 15 to 20=20 > seconds...=20 > > and we are hovering around the shortest days of the year...=20 keep=20 > that=20 > > in note... is WCBS or WFAN for the note that they have the same=20 > > transmit point. I haven't seen WOR decode ever here in Vermont. > >=20 > > I always note the irony that the best WCBS signal comes in=20 right=20 > under=20 > > the WDEV 550 transmitter. Full blast HD comes in there...=20 whether=20 > the=20 > > transmitter is on or not. I'm holding out for the snowpack this=20 > > upcoming winter to help out the signals a little along with the=20 > long=20 > > nighttime hours and cold temps.=20 > >=20 > > I'm always a "keep both eyes open" kind of person when=20 approaching=20 > this=20 > > stuff. But, so far it isn't looking good. Hearing the HD flip=20 > back=20 > > and forth to me is more annoying to listen to than the white=20 noise=20 > > caused by one particular station in New York while I try to=20 listen=20 > to=20 > > WGN Chicago at night. > >=20 > > WBZ doesn't even decode enough to change the 1030 to WBZ AM at=20 > night=20 > > reciently. I checked with the CE and he informed me the HD is=20 > still=20 > > on. So, there I am. > >=20 > > WBZ usually slams into Central Vermont in December... and I=20 mean=20 > slam=20 > > in like... WDEV would slam into Montpelier. That kind of slam. > >=20 > > I already gave my Radi-osopy HD 100 to my dad down in Central=20 > > Massachusetts. The one in my car... will stay through the=20 winter.=20 > I=20 > > will note that where I live... the only FM HD station is=20 Vermont=20 > Public=20 > > Radio. I miss not having the RDS decode on FM because the HD- 100=20 > from=20 > > Kenwood lets its listeners think that the only way text can be=20 > > transmitted in an FM signal is with HD. The receiver which the=20 HD- > 100=20 > > replaced decodes RDS... but not the HD-100. > >=20 > > I have a feeling that when Red Sox have its pitchers and=20 catchers=20 > > returning to Fort Meyers... that HD machine will have been=20 whipped=20 > out=20 > > of my car too. > >=20 > > And, I would be the most likely person to be interested in=20 > something=20 > > new... I'm 29! > >=20 > > Bob Welch- WDEV > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > > > Hi Gang I had not seen Tom from WOR AM HD 710 post hear sense=20 > night=20 > > time approval of HD . Have any one else? Jim S > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Hi Bob My 2 local HD radio stations are KFBK AM HD 1530 this=20 station=20 > is still loud on analog and loud on side band noise to. The other=20 is=20 > KIDD AM HD 1470. My HD DX's are KNX AM HD 1070 and AM HD 1090=20 > calls ???? and KSL AM HD 1160 and some times KEX AM HD 1190. I=20 don't=20 > owen a HD radio. I am still on the fence on this one. Is it worth=20 it=20 > on AM HD? I herd it sounded like a web cast YUUUK!!!It seems to=20 me=20 > that some thing that puts out that much noise dose'nt need to be=20 on=20 > the air on both AM and FM. Its realy to bad that hardly any one=20 wants=20 > to keep on there AM STEREO with NO massive noise and MORE=20 reliealbe=20 > reception then HD radio. To ME AM STEREO is way more sapeareor=20 than=20 > HD radio. Any way thats my 2 cents werth still. Jim S >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Nov 27 16:11:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82558 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 00:11:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2007 00:11:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ag-out-0708.google.com) (72.14.246.241) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 00:11:50 -0000 X-Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 26so1585203agb for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:11:49 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.225.19 with SMTP id x19mr7739719ang.1196208709374; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:11:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g34sm4349300rob.2007.11.27.16.11.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:11:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474CB227.2040809@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:11:19 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 72.14.246.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=x2A46TVHl4QipJ4i2SbCdm9jH0Xf4n2OTZ21JRMKAampe2-5DCVi6f2Z2it_8A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Isn't it amazing what 500,000 watts of AM power will do? Oh yes! I was getting RTE 252 Thanksgiving night when we had that snow on the ground. Both XEROK and XERF just blasts into MO every night. Nothing can cover like high Power AM. Kevin From robert.w.welch@att.net Tue Nov 27 16:20:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22140 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 00:20:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2007 00:20:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 00:20:22 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2007 00:20:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2007 00:20:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2007 00:20:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:20:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80711270319w6242cc87hb7afeaa6ee24a71b@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=xzoFw7Np_dpuxgtTqLYdPn97iOj85YFUoB7ck3d7b7ptz9huj_dP X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 I wonder how much money could be saved by shutting the puppy down at=20 Midnight and returning to air at 5am. My station does this every=20 single night. In terms of the electric bill. Bob.. WDEV --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 wrote: > > Mr. Bell: >=20 > Turning What is now WCSZ into a "first class" AM Stereo oldies=20 station with > local news just isn't going to happen. As much as you'd like it to,=20 it > won't. >=20 > Why? It's not financially fesible. The station has a DOG signal at=20 night. > Oldies has been tried before in Greenville... I wouldn't call 103.3=20 a real > oldies station as all that crap is paid time. >=20 > If you think it'd work so well, pony up the $1.5 millon to Dr=20 Cherry and The > Tama Broadcasting folks would ask for it. .AND YOU DO IT. >=20 > Most likely, whoever buys 1070 will take it religious or ethnic > programming. Things just can't be like you wish they used to=20 be..get with > the times, move on and get in step with the times. >=20 > 1070 also needs a fair amount of work done to it too. Nothing too=20 major, but > it needs work.. just ask the engineer. >=20 > I figure that with the programming, resources, staffing and=20 technology you'd > like to have, it would cost around $30,000 a month to run that=20 station. Do > you have ANY idea how much the electric bill ALONE for the station=20 would be? > You keep repeating your wishes and dreams for 1070, we get your=20 point.. > you've said it time and time again... pony up the bucks to get it=20 done > yourself or drop it. >=20 > Paul Walker > ********************************************* >=20 > Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:06 am (PST) > Possum, > Yeah I remember the mighty WHYZ. I wish someone would > buy that place and turn it into a first class AM > stereo oldies station complete with some local news on > the hour or something. It's sitting silent now, ive > heard its for sale. >=20 > --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > clemsonbloke wrote: >=20 > > I used to Engineer at 50,000 Watt WHYZ when they had > > the VP-50 and lived > > to tell about it, so you should be OK. Yes, the > > lights would stay lit, > > even when they were turned OFF! > > > > Kevin > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Nov 27 16:35:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33124 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 00:35:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2007 00:35:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.247) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 00:35:43 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b38so318907ana for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:35:42 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.210.9 with SMTP id i9mr7759396ang.1196210142816; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:35:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a15sm4381889rof.2007.11.27.16.35.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:35:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474CB7B9.9070601@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:35:05 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=7DhOxWjjL-e0gCOsRXc20QQmSf0nuolYeH_pWjn6Wk-Cr6g1a6OxNPub30z2pg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Bob Welch wrote: > I wonder how much money could be saved by shutting the puppy down at Midnight and returning to air at 5am. Not enough to matter as the Night transmitter is a Harris SX-2.5A. The tower lights use as much electricity as that thing. Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Nov 27 16:49:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40718 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 00:49:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2007 00:49:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 00:49:29 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c9f.1cafbc1b (32915) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:49:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:49:17 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=n7StDf51ZjdFRz8bm8-Jm-m2vz_OqM-ntLQ89UzNpKGD_KoS5c5E57itC6YQX1Nm X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is that anything like TWACS? The division I worked at built some of the electronics for TWACS. It was a bad idea to begin with. However, after several years and a few million dollars in development, what we all thought was impossible was achieved. It actually got worse. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Nov 27 16:52:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46136 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 00:52:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2007 00:52:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 00:52:31 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cdf.1c6d91ac (32915) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:52:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:52:28 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=HIYZiix2CSCrT-76QlxSnX3WOKQJDaV8mHD9qov3A84Aib3ZGVtqRdskw2xFg5Uk X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/27/07 4:36:22 PM Central Standard Time, clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk writes: > Ha I wonder what the neighbors thing when > they see me walking around with a tiny transistor, > Just wear a hat made out of aluminum foil. No one will come near you. Trust on this one. I have alot of experience in this area. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Nov 27 17:09:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16067 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 01:09:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2007 01:09:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 01:09:24 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d45.181fe5d8 (32915) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:09:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:09:17 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Speaking of HD radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=bVOFqeDD4-hZ-F1WYl3jrXX61i6DeTT7PvmZL5O3JKYRdMZwmOJ6n99Ong4PmdK1 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you remember "Juicy Brucey Bradley" on WBZ? He drifted to Midwest talk radio where he got fired at two radio stations here in St. Louis, one being our premier 50 kW clear channel KMOX. He did a Don Imus style auto-distruct about 10 years ago. From there, he went across the river to work at a small station, which, interesting enough, was the one with the cornfield at the backdoor. A few months later, he did the same thing and got canned again. He had a great voice and smooth as glass on the air. A true professional. With Imus, it was joke that went South, an act, but Ole Brucey was/is a true believer. By the way, in 60s and 70s, WBZ's signal was so hot, it was the No. 2 rated station in the evening. In Baltimore. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Nov 27 17:53:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80374 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 01:53:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2007 01:53:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao101.cox.net) (68.230.241.45) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 01:53:47 -0000 X-Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20071128015343.ZMME27415.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:53:43 -0500 X-Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id J1tk1Y0031sYu840000000; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:53:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <360606.9709.qm@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <360606.9709.qm@web33510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <1A0F581F-8E27-4E53-A2EA-05A318BBD873@cox.net> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:53:43 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} More AM Noise Generators X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=tTHDehivVSPsOIRxaBr5H2sByvPFofjacsmmsRsMdjMdT-gLQI9uP8shI7oj X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Cheap" fluorescent screw-in lightbulbs, maybe. Mine cause no interference, and I have them in almost every light fixture in my house. On Nov 27, 2007, at 6:14 AM, John P. wrote: > Noise generators: those fluorescent screw-in lightbulbs and > 'switching' > power supplies for cellphone chargers and XM satrad power supplies! > More and more keep going on the list. > > __________________________________________________________ > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. > Make Yahoo! your homepage. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 27 18:00:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90336 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 02:00:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2007 02:00:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.107) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 02:00:42 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2007 02:00:42 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2007 02:00:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2007 02:00:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:00:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <153663.19866.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.8.106.73 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=-9Xf_cC6du98VtDQqHQsdLWAUhs4dc919WfDf1pdsCPPcfNMXQGloq-Dl-x0JjDEe7uVpzRV X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- clemsonbloke wrote: >=20 > > Have to look into some of that. So far nothing has > > worked. Ha I wonder what the neighbors thing when > > they see me walking around with a tiny transistor, > > LOL! >=20 >=20 > Use the car and drive around.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > Hi I had some arcing stadic on my radio for about 2 weeks and I=20 called my power company and thay told me to turn off my main braker=20 off and see if it kept going. It did. Jim S From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 27 19:23:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18624 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 03:23:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2007 03:23:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.93) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 03:23:06 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.29] by n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2007 03:23:06 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.111.167] by t2.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2007 03:23:06 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp102.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2007 03:23:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 988543.43208.bm@omp102.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 23083 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2007 03:23:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PoxNz2UVM1lQV.WINPHkv.k0N7Vi5vhJgaH1i3mmE7kocYoNwh1.i_B3ITC1Ja82_i7uEumsHOcfEFm8xSsr8uNUWxGwDtEQyRFc7V52cnAU.FouUZAST2Q- X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:23:04 PST Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:23:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <474CB0BC.3060203@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <2262.21957.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=DO8BPcKt4we1tJWGb4YDsPSvVvhFuy6bWQmwN4w48GY8uN52Sl9x X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Hhahaha I heard that on WGVL and WDAB!!! You are definitely right there! -Kev --- Possum Hunter wrote: > clemsonbloke wrote: > > I wonder what the neighbors thing when they see me > walking around with a tiny transistor, > > Tell them you are listening to the Aliens. You would > be telling the > TRUTH if you tune that radio to WGVL or WDAB! > > Kevin > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 27 19:28:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18370 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 03:28:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2007 03:28:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.233) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 03:28:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 86984 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2007 03:28:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: u5AbtsEVM1k05jP5kskL9epC5c1Prbsx35jHoofH79ges61HnMgNDxeYff4H8yhFI.0Gpv_4ZE8mRYqlV4eIQrEL.VhzQynJzTslVjXq4ij5y9ktAZ995LdeOlPYdhK89sKxrfw_s.4UeRw- X-Received: from [64.223.58.93] by web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:28:45 PST Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:28:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <893261.78380.qm@web23003.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <586354.82233.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} AudioCubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=0PejT0EgARixEK0uq7E3BUldwGM3FbXkiakHV7TpD9Hxx3_DU89l X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That would have to be some sort of takeoff on the 1962 All Channels Act whereby all T.V. sets manufactured from 1964 onwards had to have all UHF channels as well as VHF. I know Scott started a petition in 2001. Jay clemsonbloke wrote: I wish these radios were made more reasonable priced. I'm sure in places like Australia where AM Stereo is big they are a lot cheaper and more choices of radios. It's a sin that after the FCC settled on format and after AMAX standards in 1993 that every single AM/FM doesnt include AM Stereo! --- JNR wrote: > There's an advantage to the SRF-300A in that if > you're an A.M. station competing with an F.M. & you > give away the 300s, chances are that the people who > win the radios WON'T be able to hear your > competition because the radios only tune to 90! > "Whadya mean you can't hear 92.3?! I guess you'll > just have to keep on listening to us!" > > Captive audience! > > Jay > > Possum Hunter wrote: > clemsonbloke wrote: > > Its dumb to buy that sony SRF-A300 when you can > buy the nice Sangean receiver that does > Am/FM/HD/CQUAM all in one unit for not much more. > > And THIS coming from the guy who gave me a hard > time for buying that > Sangean and "supporting the HD Crowd" instead of an > Analog AM Stereo > tuner such as that SRF-A300? > > Kevin > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Nov 27 20:09:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49762 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 04:09:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2007 04:09:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.250) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 04:09:00 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c34so302652anc for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:09:00 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.207.5 with SMTP id e5mr8075462ang.1196222939967; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:08:59 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h5sm4621982roe.2007.11.27.20.08.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:08:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474C3291.8060103@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:06:57 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=pc-IbZwEu1GuMndU6FTlZt3IckVHEesNZ7psruCMdE9_n--oiAhCYcUEIHgEyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Bob Welch wrote: > When I worked at WSTJ, I had to keep an eye on the original 1951 Gates-1K all tube transmitter. That boy put out such heat we didn't need to heat the ajoining studio When I was at WCKI, we had the chimney on the CCA AM1000D so in the winter it would blow into the heat ducts. It would heat that building very nicely in the Winter. Kevin From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Nov 28 03:07:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14946 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 11:07:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2007 11:07:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.177) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 11:07:25 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so3096108pyc for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:07:24 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.87.10 with SMTP id p10mr5992568pyl.1196248044173; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:07:24 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:07:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80711280307m59fc979cq40adf99d4731f70b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:07:23 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: WDAB, WCSZ, Greenville, etc(Was; Serious question) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=4tZ560HfXAhsuwAMTa_VVQC5T99aZf66DW3PJVwyDTtLHO-UGx-F6v3i X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since the Chief Engineer here at "The Mighty 1590" WABV is also the Chief Engineer at WDAB 1580 and WCSZ I'm sure Einstein.. er William Boyd could tell us some stories. He's only been with WABV for 11 months but I know he's been with WDAB and WCSZ for awhile, so I'm sure he has his own stories and has heard some over the years. I have WDAB's old Gates BC1G transmitter sitting here, can't wait to get it up and running... it's in better shape technically speaking then my RCA BTA 1-M. It won't save on the electric bill at all though. Good thing WDAB is on 1580, it'll be a piece of cake to retune it from 1580 to 1590. Hell, even George, the other "guy" who works here at WABV could retune the transmitter from 1580 to 1590, it's that easy! lol Paul Walker Operations Manager/Program Director/On Air Personality "The Best Country Classics Ever Made" Cool Country 1590 WABV-AM 1590 Abbeville, SC www.wabv1590.com www.walkerbroadcasting.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting On 28 Nov 2007 10:45:38 -0000, wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Nov 28 06:56:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6752 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 14:56:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2007 14:56:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 14:56:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 65569 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2007 14:56:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: azO.zJsVM1lsGKZ2dRmGZYQ4D5t34rXc8Sfe7uwX_pQ3oS2ac8flFprDQwPkORUIta5sfGkY_GukzSEpJOMg8P.8SHLaURlIrvSy83lWSKa3Sr8- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:56:39 PST Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:56:39 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <750245.65549.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: 14th Anniversary of FCC Standard X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=gbk6zvg0TLo1hdnDBoXeB5SGOaKErNaCL38-TlLkhZU643t2M0X8OgE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Yep, last Friday was the 14th anniversary of the FCC mandate on 11/23/93 to make C-Quam the US AM Stereo Standard - only 10 years too late on that program boys. It's a shame, as now with DSP radios, 4 different AM Stereo formats would be a non-issue - every system could be deocoded with just 4 different pilot tones! Wouldn't that be neat driving in NE Indiana and listening to Kahn on WSPD, Magnavox on WOWO, Belar or CQuam on WJR, and Harris on CKLW? Time travel would be fun to travel back to 1985 with a modern radio (in a DeLorean of course)! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Nov 28 07:42:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2650 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 15:42:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2007 15:42:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.181) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 15:42:09 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so3546756pyi for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:42:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.135.20 with SMTP id m20mr6256413pyn.1196264528129; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:42:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f6sm3568528pyh.2007.11.28.07.41.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:42:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474D8C29.7020008@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:41:29 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <750245.65549.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <750245.65549.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} 14th Anniversary of FCC Standard X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=dxmfOUQntpGAJnmKt_w4tPK3dMz8xigVGlqU2kP6hLrxrLu203flVX_q_rWSEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John P. wrote: > It's a shame, as now with DSP radios, 4 different AM Stereo formats would be a non-issue - every system could be deocoded with just 4 different pilot tones! Time travel would be fun to travel back to 1985 with a modern radio That "modern radio" is the 1986 Vintage Kenwood KRC-959. It would switch between the systems using the pilot tones to determine what system was being used. If a PowerSide station that is still running the 15K Hz tone is tuned in, all of the sound will be in the left or right speaker. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Nov 28 08:02:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83836 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 16:02:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2007 16:02:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.184) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 16:02:45 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k20so1151592rvb for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:02:45 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.90.17 with SMTP id s17mr2630108rvl.1196265764991; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:02:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u2sm809807pyb.2007.11.28.08.02.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:02:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474D90ED.10504@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:01:49 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <8bce0fe80711280307m59fc979cq40adf99d4731f70b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80711280307m59fc979cq40adf99d4731f70b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WDAB, WCSZ, Greenville, etc(Was; Serious question) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=up9nifT0Nh1rU4_AWWZhN_1Qkly94BrpOIhOlK2BwI4Ma9cVEx4yoiWs0qhPSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > William Boyd could tell us some stories. He's only been with WABV for 11 months but I know he's been with WDAB and WCSZ for awhile, so I'm sure he has his own stories and has heard some over the years. > He missed out on all of the VP-50 "Fun". Still, that VP-50 being driven by the Black Faced Optimod 9000 made WHYZ the LOUDEST radio station in South Carolina's history! > I have WDAB's old Gates BC1G transmitter sitting here, can't wait to get it up and running. That is a GREAT Low-Miles BC1G. I know Don Gowens kept it in tip-top shape back in the WBBR days. Why did WDAB get rid of it? Did they buy a solid state 5KW and keep the Continental as a back-up? I know that Continental was in "As-New" condition as well. > it'll be a piece of cake to retune it from 1580 to 1590. > IIRC, all you need to do is swap the crystal and re-tune the loading coil, so why ain't it on the air now? Are you going to keep the RCA as a back-up or is that your new 160 Meter Boat Anchor Net rig? Kevin From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Nov 28 12:41:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16369 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 20:41:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2007 20:41:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.92) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 20:41:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 55048 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2007 20:41:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NzNd6uYVM1n30FY2ZoXBMNT5.NA99QXW1PpncbVoqRsM9jEK4QFHxhXx0HbyjvUm_6.XpwAQXvV2TFYPAW_MO0a4wwzWvEEwcth7txCc7VMzvYMB3qB4h2VLgw-- X-Received: from [60.234.196.152] by web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:41:41 PST Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:41:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <90173.50482.qm@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael and Ross Subject: We now have FM HD in N.Z X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915; y=lQI6YcjysDlWPNVZb1iYxRozFKfWNxfOXDwCpuUbdNh-sDdvLA X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We now have US standard FM HD testing on 106.2 in Auckland,It has 3 streams but can only hear the country music format being tested on it.I drove out of the coverage area a few days ago and the buzzing noise on the sidebands on 105.9 and 106.45 locally contracted down to 106.3 and 106.1 until the carrier faded.The noise isnt too bad but a lpfm moved from 106.0 to 105.9 probably because of it not far from here. Michael Michael&Ross --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 28 14:58:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79567 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 22:58:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2007 22:58:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.214) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 22:58:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2007 22:58:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2007 22:58:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:58:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <90173.50482.qm@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.149.233 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: We now have FM HD in N.Z X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=olaRuiBEylbQsrrkT39dYVv8gGaj4xganAVKrhmjkCyYEOADHOGjsEImYx4On8YQqJzD02rG X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Michael and Ross=20 wrote: > > We now have US standard FM HD testing on 106.2 in Auckland,It has 3=20 streams but can only hear the country music format being tested on=20 it.I drove out of the coverage area a few days ago and the buzzing=20 noise on the sidebands on 105.9 and 106.45 locally contracted down to=20 106.3 and 106.1 until the carrier faded.The noise isnt too bad but a=20 lpfm moved from 106.0 to 105.9 probably because of it not far from=20 here. >=20=20=20=20 > Michael >=20 >=20 > Michael&Ross >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > --------------------------------- > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail.=20 See how. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 Hi Mike I am sorry. Thats to bad my condolenses!!! Jim S. USA From robert.w.welch@att.net Wed Nov 28 15:13:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64774 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 23:13:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2007 23:13:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.196) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 23:13:44 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n5.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2007 23:13:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2007 23:13:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2007 23:13:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:13:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Speaking of HD radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=AVQXnbEfFRzaMbu0Uck8UIlO9pB0HKRpPlAwCRI8wzlqTOxvV3hf X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 No, I'm only 29.. so I remember the BZ Morning Team with Dave=20 Maynard. Those promos on TV made the show almost... You can see=20 those spots from the 80s at this link http://www.waverlymopic.com/html/categories/cake/wbz.html At the time BZ was still a full-service radio station... It has been=20 Newsradio since 1991 and played its last song in 1991. Bob --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Do you remember "Juicy Brucey Bradley" on WBZ? He drifted to=20 Midwest talk=20 > radio where he got fired at two radio stations here in St. Louis,=20 one being our=20 > premier 50 kW clear channel KMOX. He did a Don Imus style auto- distruct about=20 > 10 years ago. From there, he went across the river to work at a=20 small=20 > station, which, interesting enough, was the one with the cornfield=20 at the backdoor.=20=20 > A few months later, he did the same thing and got canned again. He=20 had a=20 > great voice and smooth as glass on the air. A true professional.=20=20 With Imus, it=20 > was joke that went South, an act, but Ole Brucey was/is a true=20 believer. >=20 > By the way, in 60s and 70s, WBZ's signal was so hot, it was the No.=20 2 rated=20 > station in the evening. In Baltimore. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************************************** > Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest=20 > products. >=20 > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? NCID=3Daoltop00030000000001) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 28 19:06:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23404 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 03:06:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 03:06:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omp2.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.153) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 03:06:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 95437 invoked by uid 1000); 27 Nov 2007 23:39:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50157 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2007 22:50:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jYKm5QAVM1md6dORQhd14dcVrwuoeWSNr.hBSFBznet5VW.t5fDTVB0Ox..ZRTc_tsq6Bi9blqa2sCGmwsPoAAMR6jZlkXOTB_herBicm5f3 X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:50:24 PST Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:50:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <474C68F0.60301@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <60637.50153.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=0qH3d5zRTKAwc85AJ87gPGvq4_tdADzdKayxp-AnOSAEV7z3JD47 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yeah i've lived in the area all my life and a bit older than Mr. Walker. I remember when that station had it's full power running and yes it was quite strong. I also agree that oldies has never been done right since Oldies 93.7 left the airwaves. Also as far as talkers hahah I bet old WORD would shit it's pants if someone came to town and made 1070 a liberal talker! Yeah the area is all conservative but imagine 50K of a liberal talker versus 5k of conservative. Oh I can dream can't I, hehehehehehe! --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > > It's not financially fesible. The station has a > DOG signal at night. > > > > It covers all of Greenville and the "money" areas of > the County at night. > > > > Oldies has been tried before in Greenville. > > Oldies has only been done Half-Assed since WFBC-FM > Flipped in the 1990s > WGVC was a bad joke and STILL drew better numbers > than many stations. > Tama did EVERYTHING wrong with Oldies on 1070, and > you are right, 103.3 > is NOT a real oldies station, nor was it the first > go-around with oldies > simulcasting 103.9. > > > > If you think it'd work so well, pony up the $1.5 > millon to Dr Cherry and The Tama Broadcasting folks > would ask for it. .AND YOU DO IT. > > > > I too think it would work, but I don't think it > would be wise for a > first time radio station owner to start off with a > 50 KW Beast > stand-alone AM in a Medium sized market that has > become an FM Town. I > would start off with a 1KW Non-D in a small town far > enough outside of a > big market not to compete for advertising $$$ with > the 100 KW > FMs...Kinda like WABV or WPCC. > > Most likely, whoever buys 1070 will take it > religious or ethnic programming. > > That staion has been Silent more than it has been on > the air since Z-104 > blew them away in the late 1980s. 99% of the problem > is Tama. They just > will NOT let a local GM do his job and run that > station as he sees fit. > They just will not learn that Greenville SC is a > VERY different world > than Tampa FL. If somebody spent the $$$ to turn it > into a GOOD > News-Talker they could really give WYRD-WORD a fit > too. back in the day, > WHYZ had a helluva signal all down into the Low > Country from Charlston, > SC to Jacksonville, FL If somebody spent a LOT of > money on that station, > I think it would pay for itself in short order, but > it will ALWAYS loose > money if it is run like Tama runs it. > > > > I figure that with the programming, resources, > staffing and technology you'd like to have, it would > cost around $30,000 a month to run that station. Do > you have ANY idea how much the electric bill ALONE > for the station would be? > > > > When I was there in the VP-50 days, $30,000 wouldn't > cover the Electric > bill at 50,000 Watts! Even if you had to lease a > DX-50, the payments > would be MUCH cheaper than the power bill would be > to feed the MW-50. > > The bottom line is there HAS to be a very good > reason Cox, CBS, Clear > Channel, and Entercom have ALL ran away from that > station. I don't know > what they saw, but SOMETHING sure scared them away. > > Kevin > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 28 19:22:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65381 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 03:22:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 03:22:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omp2.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.153) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 03:22:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 59953 invoked by uid 1000); 27 Nov 2007 23:18:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10564 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2007 22:39:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kR7b.IEVM1ljaLUOPe0GUe_eQTZ4P0v_pxkhGGk0RNwFFWbwcBMaWaksc7KB7gF4dNgRgGY7MHtl21N1rvpW.7MN.PyYnPwFcVN8YAvkvp0O X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:39:56 PST Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:39:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <740805.10171.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=I29jlxtKDLeY7dGEKE7yIemDhCV7WRZyrwiG51mtDbGrA57TIsvH X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Haha, yeah I know everyone gets this confused. If only I could convert it to a @yahoo.com . I got this @yahoo.co.uk when I was planning to go overseas and study in England. When I was in college your email was only accessible on campus. There was no outside access to it allowed. I had been planning to study abroad in England so I signed up for this. The study abroad never happened due to money reasons so I never went. I kept the address though. --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Kevin, > > Good ideas, but I couldn't help but notice the > poster has a "uk" country > suffix. > > Mike > > > ************************************** > Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest products. > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 28 19:31:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15877 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 03:31:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 03:31:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.179) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 03:31:33 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2007 03:31:33 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2007 03:31:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2007 03:31:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:31:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <60637.50153.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.126.204 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=a_z2De2Iw4hsHAiswLJTF78vBbIJwuzWDjuMfOtYVOZa8kA1Qc3QGXT6Dw3kRcYORfznM27- X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke =20 wrote: > > Yeah i've lived in the area all my life and a bit > older than Mr. Walker. I remember when that station > had it's full power running and yes it was quite > strong. I also agree that oldies has never been done > right since Oldies 93.7 left the airwaves. Also as > far as talkers hahah I bet old WORD would shit it's > pants if someone came to town and made 1070 a liberal > talker! Yeah the area is all conservative but imagine > 50K of a liberal talker versus 5k of conservative. Oh > I can dream can't I, hehehehehehe! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Possum Hunter wrote: >=20 > > Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > > > It's not financially fesible. The station has a > > DOG signal at night. > > >=20=20=20 > >=20 > > It covers all of Greenville and the "money" areas of > > the County at night. > >=20 > >=20 > > > Oldies has been tried before in Greenville. > >=20 > > Oldies has only been done Half-Assed since WFBC-FM > > Flipped in the 1990s=20 > > WGVC was a bad joke and STILL drew better numbers > > than many stations.=20 > > Tama did EVERYTHING wrong with Oldies on 1070, and > > you are right, 103.3=20 > > is NOT a real oldies station, nor was it the first > > go-around with oldies=20 > > simulcasting 103.9. > >=20 > >=20 > > > If you think it'd work so well, pony up the $1.5 > > millon to Dr Cherry and The Tama Broadcasting folks > > would ask for it. .AND YOU DO IT. > > >=20=20=20 > >=20 > > I too think it would work, but I don't think it > > would be wise for a=20 > > first time radio station owner to start off with a > > 50 KW Beast=20 > > stand-alone AM in a Medium sized market that has > > become an FM Town. I=20 > > would start off with a 1KW Non-D in a small town far > > enough outside of a=20 > > big market not to compete for advertising $$$ with > > the 100 KW=20 > > FMs...Kinda like WABV or WPCC. > > > Most likely, whoever buys 1070 will take it > > religious or ethnic programming. > >=20 > > That staion has been Silent more than it has been on > > the air since Z-104=20 > > blew them away in the late 1980s. 99% of the problem > > is Tama. They just=20 > > will NOT let a local GM do his job and run that > > station as he sees fit.=20 > > They just will not learn that Greenville SC is a > > VERY different world=20 > > than Tampa FL. If somebody spent the $$$ to turn it > > into a GOOD=20 > > News-Talker they could really give WYRD-WORD a fit > > too. back in the day,=20 > > WHYZ had a helluva signal all down into the Low > > Country from Charlston,=20 > > SC to Jacksonville, FL If somebody spent a LOT of > > money on that station,=20 > > I think it would pay for itself in short order, but > > it will ALWAYS loose=20 > > money if it is run like Tama runs it. > >=20 > >=20 > > > I figure that with the programming, resources, > > staffing and technology you'd like to have, it would > > cost around $30,000 a month to run that station. Do > > you have ANY idea how much the electric bill ALONE > > for the station would be? > > >=20=20=20 > >=20 > > When I was there in the VP-50 days, $30,000 wouldn't > > cover the Electric=20 > > bill at 50,000 Watts! Even if you had to lease a > > DX-50, the payments=20 > > would be MUCH cheaper than the power bill would be > > to feed the MW-50. > >=20 > > The bottom line is there HAS to be a very good > > reason Cox, CBS, Clear=20 > > Channel, and Entercom have ALL ran away from that > > station. I don't know=20 > > what they saw, but SOMETHING sure scared them away. > >=20 > > Kevin > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.=20 > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > Hi gang It would be neeto if it went AM STEREO 1070 Classic Country.=20 To me there needs to more music on the band. If some one would pole=20 the area I would bet you would come up with music more then talk and=20 also talk to them about analog AM STEREO radios avalable. Jim S From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Nov 28 19:38:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87665 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 03:38:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 03:38:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 03:38:23 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so3377888pyb for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:38:22 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.129.19 with SMTP id g19mr6929780pyn.1196307502502; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:38:22 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:38:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80711281938m36b2a5c9t231ff300fbdac575@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:38:22 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <60637.50153.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=_QZgFbMpyqu7l1hlwxw6YPZsMq1Z3f-C1-VsOE-ZJGzeQmuf1u62Fpz6 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shows what you know about the market, Jim. Greenville already has 2 country stations, one leans hot country and one leans classic country. I doubt Greenville could support 3 country stations.. especially when 2 stations are 100,000 watt FMs.... and the 3rd your proposing to go country is an AM with an abysmal night Check your facts first Paul On Nov 28, 2007 10:31 PM, jim smith wrote: > > Hi gang It would be neeto if it went AM STEREO 1070 Classic Country. > To me there needs to more music on the band. If some one would pole > the area I would bet you would come up with music more then talk and > also talk to them about analog AM STEREO radios avalable. Jim S > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 28 19:54:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51057 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 03:54:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 03:54:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.144) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 03:54:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2007 03:54:46 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2007 03:54:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2007 03:54:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:54:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80711281938m36b2a5c9t231ff300fbdac575@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.126.204 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=iNMIFTJgclxmxxoxaH79jshidLJiJE5oYpkhz1jtwLs4TsvFM8e5rPxQKOY6bQqu0F-RcMsr X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 wrote: > > Shows what you know about the market, Jim. Greenville already has 2=20 country > stations, one leans hot country and one leans classic country. I=20 doubt > Greenville could support 3 country stations.. especially when 2=20 stations are > 100,000 watt FMs.... and the 3rd your proposing to go country is an=20 AM with > an abysmal night >=20 > Check your facts first > Paul >=20 > On Nov 28, 2007 10:31 PM, jim smith wrote: >=20 > > > > Hi gang It would be neeto if it went AM STEREO 1070 Classic=20 Country. > > To me there needs to more music on the band. If some one would=20 pole > > the area I would bet you would come up with music more then talk=20 and > > also talk to them about analog AM STEREO radios avalable. Jim S > > . > > > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Pual Your a 100% right. I don't know the market back there. But=20 some one could run a pole and see if any one would like a music=20 format on the 1070 AM frec.. My local AM 950 stations GM regrets=20 going talk because they lost a lot of listeners. But reason he=20 stoped the music on AM 950 on week days was because the roileltys=20 where klling there buget. Jim S From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Nov 28 19:56:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80312 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 03:56:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 03:56:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.245) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 03:56:21 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b33so824159ana for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:56:21 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.66.14 with SMTP id t14mr10568998ank.1196308581529; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:56:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x48sm325455pyg.2007.11.28.19.56.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:56:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474E384F.9000903@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:55:59 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <60637.50153.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <60637.50153.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.245 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=ZzzfrSGylHrfccR51edC6NrlXI3TuqF5u3lEcfDaD57jAJmHOCH79PWlgo4BTw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 clemsonbloke wrote: > as far as talkers hahah I bet old WORD would shit it's pants if someone came to town and made 1070 a liberal talker! If you just stick Air America on it, it will sink like an PCB transformer in Lake Hartwell... Get rid if the call latters that have been run into the ground and make them something like WAAG "We're All About Greenville" and keep it Live n Local at least from 5AM till 9 PM and have all of the community leaders and movers n shakers on the air, along with the mayors off all of the towns in the County. Run live Greenville High School and Furman Sports and most important, and this is where Tama really screwed up, PROMOTE THE THING! Billboards, newspapers, bus stops, have the station logo EVERYWHERE. Do some trading and get Channel 4 to do a news bit about it at 6 PM. Personally, if I had a BIG investment in a market such as Greenville like Entercom, Clear Channel, and Cox has, I would buy up a sleeping giant like 1070 and put a "Safe" format such as Music Of Your Life on it just to keep somebody else from buying it and kicking my ass with it. THAT my friend is the real reason Clear Channel LMAed out 1440 to Mexicans and 660 to Bible bangers. They didn't want those Big Gun signals screwing up the Arbitron for their FM money makers. Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Nov 28 20:02:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36855 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 04:02:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 04:02:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 04:02:01 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c83.19de5686 (39331) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:01:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:01:48 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=K0WBwCNB34vHCYRYIl4aULcSbepfF_7LSfvK7ZMcQRGnmyT6nToqkh4w1C7K2cSh X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/28/07 9:06:28 PM Central Standard Time, clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk writes: > Also as > far as talkers hahah I bet old WORD would shit it's > pants if someone came to town and made 1070 a liberal > talker! Yeah the area is all conservative but imagine > 50K of a liberal talker versus 5k of conservative. Oh > I can dream can't I, hehehehehehe! > The United Nations Center for French Transgendered Spanish Speaking Liberal Islamic Black Lesbian Communist One World Studies at The Citadel could provide the programming sponsored by the International Jewish Conspiracy House of Pancakes (IJCHOP). Mike Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Nov 28 20:10:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32198 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 04:10:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 04:10:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.249) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 04:10:20 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d23so547539and for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:10:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.215.5 with SMTP id n5mr10618056ang.1196309419594; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:10:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w67sm101418pyg.2007.11.28.20.09.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:10:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474E3B72.407@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:09:22 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=NYVZaWO0-fG-bH4n_xhJFXY2M4o4vfembrN2p0qyMJhFJqZk0iPHns-eLXwhjg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jim smith wrote: > Hi gang It would be neeto if it went AM STEREO 1070 Classic Country. WESC 660 did Classic Country the right way and it belly flopped in the same market. WSSL 1440 also died doing Classic Country, as did WAIM 1230 and WRIX-FM in neighboring Anderson and WKDY 1400 in Spartanburg and WAGI in Gaffeny and WFIS 1600 in Fountain Inn. Before that both WAEB 800 and WCKI 1300 died doing Classic Country, also in that same market. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Nov 28 20:16:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66551 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 04:16:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 04:16:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.247) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 04:16:41 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so338320anc for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:16:40 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.106.1 with SMTP id e1mr10623142anc.1196309800832; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:16:40 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x72sm208465pyg.2007.11.28.20.16.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:16:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474E3D05.2070709@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:16:05 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, ABDX@yahoogroups.com, amradiodx@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: KWKH 1130 was:Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=b3XsL-sTeeSjwGpy6NxJnQ1a3tm_wDPJw-QUvJNqMyccyDqh_kHgc2xoUWyNng X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jim smith wrote: > Hi gang It would be neeto if it went AM STEREO 1070 Classic Country. Speaking of Classic Country, It looks like KWKH 1130 is on their DAY pattern again tonight. They are pegging my S-Meter here in Northwestern Missouri this evening. Kevin From ke7ief@aol.com Wed Nov 28 20:24:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17705 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 04:24:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 04:24:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 04:24:18 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d5d.1331c922 (52327) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:24:07 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-192.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.192]) by ciaaol-d03.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD039-cc67474e3ee53d5; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:24:06 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c8323f$c2a54a80$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <740805.10171.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:24:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.192 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=cbTAAw1fkXP8UwOn17O-oNIfo4IPGyM702LSuREORLBtae6LOEu5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it sounds cool though I have allways liked the co.uk domains ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 2:39 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question Haha, yeah I know everyone gets this confused. If only I could convert it to a @yahoo.com . I got this @yahoo.co.uk when I was planning to go overseas and study in England. When I was in college your email was only accessible on campus. There was no outside access to it allowed. I had been planning to study abroad in England so I signed up for this. The study abroad never happened due to money reasons so I never went. I kept the address though. --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Kevin, > > Good ideas, but I couldn't help but notice the > poster has a "uk" country > suffix. > > Mike > > > ************************************** > Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest products. > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Nov 28 20:32:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46185 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 04:32:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 04:32:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ro-out-1112.google.com) (72.14.202.182) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 04:32:01 -0000 X-Received: by ro-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o32so3032419rog for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:32:01 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.30.8 with SMTP id h8mr6995698pyj.1196310721349; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:32:01 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a70sm2429054pye.2007.11.28.20.31.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:32:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474E40AD.7080401@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:31:41 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 72.14.202.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=Jo1IU-vZwNJY2m5BZVTrBZsFEnhjcbxLfb4RJAAKKkkXoWUjscbFOKp1VClTiw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > The United Nations Center for French Transgendered Spanish Speaking Liberal Islamic Black Lesbian Communist One World Studies at The Citadel could provide the programming With all of the International Auto industry in the area, I might would try German or French Full Service on an AM. WMUU-AM 1260 is for sale and is in a good location close to Michelin and BMW. Kevin From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 28 21:03:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22258 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 05:03:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 05:03:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.147) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 05:03:07 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2007 05:03:07 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2007 05:03:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2007 05:03:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:03:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <474E3B72.407@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.126.204 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=qSMQPhYCjGFLJnciokVvtcySsOvNq-gqWXyS5V35UhggjJwg9mEh89S3ciStlseRF9nGn8AK X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > > jim smith wrote: > > Hi gang It would be neeto if it went AM STEREO 1070 Classic=20 Country.=20 >=20 > WESC 660 did Classic Country the right way and it belly flopped in=20 the=20 > same market. WSSL 1440 also died doing Classic Country, as did WAIM=20 1230=20 > and WRIX-FM in neighboring Anderson and WKDY 1400 in Spartanburg=20 and=20 > WAGI in Gaffeny and WFIS 1600 in Fountain Inn. Before that both=20 WAEB 800=20 > and WCKI 1300 died doing Classic Country, also in that same market. >=20 > Kevin > Hi WOW Classic country dose'nt work back there very good. Out here=20 in Tulery Ca KJUG AM STEREO 1270 www.kjugam.com thay have been on the=20 air for about 8 years that I know of any way. I wish I could get them=20 better but I can't. WSM AM 650 is still going strong and that one is=20 still 50kw!!!!! I got 2 new countrys on FM and I can't stand them.=20 Jim S From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 28 21:04:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46809 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 05:04:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 05:04:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omp202.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.144) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 05:04:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 53798 invoked by uid 1000); 28 Nov 2007 03:22:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 47414 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2007 03:22:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iWpALQsVM1llSFDOsixJvs9sbOYObpnZ6lvYDHvWzVh_A3pnZhMdFoVHAzEon_EpkZbIA9XurcGIZF63j5wHJqHjyd3jMcZWzcBh6SC8FSvS X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:22:02 PST Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:22:02 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <248540.36949.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=YlnAlOkxPmhK910XxNSsCis8P550PguEkQ4hnvVmvXbk80VOfupe X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke No telling...I have no clue. --- Bob Welch wrote: > I wonder if your local electric utility is in the > midst of a > Broadband over Powerlines trial (a.k.a. BPL). It > has become a topic > of much converstation amongst the Amateur Radio > community.. > especially in the general direction of Washington > DC. Compared to > BPL... You'd consider IBOC a walk in the park... in > the deadly > interference department. > > Bob, > Radio Vermont > KB1EVV > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke > > wrote: > > > > Yeah I bet! Well it's just had me baffled because > ive > > unplugged anything that I thoght was causing it. > > flourescent lights, you name it. Still buzz. Now > I > > can get the normal stations 660, 950, 1280, 1330, > > 1440, 1490, etc but if you go off those theres > buzz on > > like 600, 700, 800, 900, and so on. This is day > and > > night. Now it doesnt affect local stations but it > > screws my DX listening at night. I went outside > with > > a handheld and buzz all around. I wonder if > someone > > in the neighborhood has something running they > > shouldnt? This started in the last month. I > remember > > earlier in the year or last year people saying on > here > > that the military was testing something on AM. I > > remember all those nights with solid tones that > were > > heard all over on the same channel. I'm playing > with > > the tuner now, seems to be some on 980 and 990 > too. > > Could this be some IBOC crap? I wouldnt think > because > > doesnt IBOC sound more like a beehive instead of a > > constant buzz? Hmm still messin with it 910, 920, > > 850, 840, 830, 780, 770, 760, 710, 700, 690, 640, > 630, > > 620, 580, 570, 560, 550, 540. These are the ones > I > > can hear, also on the upper 1680-1710. It's > really > > loud on 1690 with a little higher pitched noise in > > there. I'd say it was strongest on 1690. I've > even > > unplugged the internet stuff, routers, etc. > Turned > > satellite radio off and unplugged. It's just > insane. > > I can't figure it out. I am beginning to wonder > if > > theres some transformer in the area about to > > malfunction or something. Would that not cause > > interference? It may not even be in the area. > Could > > be travelling, as someone said, down the > electrical > > lines. Anyway anymore ideas? > > > > > > -Kev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kevin, > > > > > > I just read a FCC citation for a FM station in > > > Hawaii that used a utility > > > pole for a tower. The center of radiation for > > > 100,000 kW of ERP was 15 meters > > > off ground! > > > > > > No need for a microwave oven in the transmitter > > > shack. The only question is > > > if the transmitter engineers' lunches got done > > > before they did. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** > > > Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest > > > products. > > > > > > > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? > NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you > > > with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 28 21:07:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99353 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 05:07:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 05:07:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.236.45) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 05:07:04 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2007 05:07:04 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2007 05:07:04 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2007 05:07:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.156] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2007 05:07:04 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp209.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2007 05:07:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 162091.97080.bm@omp209.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 16634 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2007 05:07:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2WaN7e4VM1kv38xVCBRVHhaR0shg9fogWC3cUxfQjreUPqwa3_Wg1k2EHpgfLoCGPBOqI4IGRKBJd8UjCZhWkDBh82n3cy.W_LfxZKVWIAsYclCgu3EaXw8- X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:07:03 PST Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:07:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001101c8323f$c2a54a80$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <268422.12198.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.236.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=_lxOflwnuwRxL1Zc1wjgqH_8cd7kwDEaKrOLj5bHf4CQ8PIv1wft X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Ha well if you really want one go to www.yahoo.co.uk and register you one. You can ya know. Only problem is when you log into your "my yahoo" it will have british content but you can get a UK one if you wish. --- hank smith wrote: > it sounds cool though > I have allways liked the co.uk domains > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clemsonbloke > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 2:39 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Serious Question > > > Haha, yeah I know everyone gets this confused. If > only I could convert it to a @yahoo.com . I got > this > @yahoo.co.uk when I was planning to go overseas > and > study in England. When I was in college your email > was only accessible on campus. There was no > outside > access to it allowed. I had been planning to study > abroad in England so I signed up for this. The > study > abroad never happened due to money reasons so I > never > went. I kept the address though. > > --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > Kevin, > > > > Good ideas, but I couldn't help but notice the > > poster has a "uk" country > > suffix. > > > > Mike > > > > > > ************************************** > > Check out AOL's list of 2007's > > hottest products. > > > > > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. > Make Yahoo! your homepage. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 28 21:46:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22871 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 05:46:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 05:46:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp118.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.91) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 05:46:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 668 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 05:46:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.18.126.204 with login) by smtp118.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 05:46:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 43hpbgsVM1ndOLWpXXHDu1SmrsBURdM38rMW9iZFlQ4QvoKYwYOHHa7xSc9AdZ0QLlLdT2uArQ-- Message-ID: <000a01c8324b$4897c0e0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:47:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Dose any one know???? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=dmfXc-4-ZwYortgA63VddzDEFWUOnjwAaSfHa-cx40DDiAOMrkOYokhQBLqth5N6CWvxVwY3 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Wow !!!! Thank you to who ever posted KWKH AM 1130 calls I like that format very much. It reminds me of my past away parent's. Dose any here know if KWKH AM 1130 is a AM STEREO station. I mite be going to Mo. next spring. There stream is very nice also. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 28 22:24:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31865 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 06:24:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 06:24:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.197) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 06:24:55 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n6.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2007 06:24:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2007 06:24:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2007 06:24:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:24:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <474E3D05.2070709@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.126.204 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KWKH 1130 was:Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=ZdXhI1mCGT9jo0nROaRP22gGORaP1BvMZObpfTjuIz8W__chYzNwr2l6RFmPezN3bYb9Fsai X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > > jim smith wrote: > > Hi gang It would be neeto if it went AM STEREO 1070 Classic=20 Country.=20 >=20 > Speaking of Classic Country, It looks like KWKH 1130 is on their DAY=20 > pattern again tonight. They are pegging my S-Meter here in=20 Northwestern=20 > Missouri this evening. >=20 > Kevin > Hi Kevin -- Possum Hunter Thank you very very very much. That format=20 reminds me of my pasted away parent's. That is the best Xmas peresant=20 I have gotten in along time. Jim S P.S Is that station in AM STEREO? From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Nov 29 04:42:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38917 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 12:42:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 12:42:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 12:42:35 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d6a.13ef10d1 (65099) for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:42:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:42:10 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KWKH 1130 was:Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=mB0-hb53DAC_PU4XZcTatMf61DiTH9e2aE4caNvX-G8gauXRH7r7rMMxmQ7pplYk X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, Whereabouts in Northwestern Missouri do you live and for how long? Would WHB mean anything to you? Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Nov 29 05:14:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75956 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 13:14:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 13:14:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 13:14:49 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c5f.1f43d2ce (65099) for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:14:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:14:29 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Interesting Antenna Facts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=e8_fhRtzEw0J_YhZxHWYtJPlzwzLdUD1Zurkh3PkyXMGRHNxYGyC4SGnNz6UfyU3 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been doing some calculations for a Part 15 AM antenna and came up with some interesting numbers. A 108 inch ( 9 ft.) monopole made out of 1-inch copper pipe with an ideal ground of planetary proportions at 1,700 khz would have a capacitance of 36 pF with a radiation resistance of 0.1 ohm. A 242.854 uH loading coil at the base would tune out the reactive component leaving only the 0.1 ohm radiation resisitance. One 100% upward modulation peaks, a 100mW (carrier) output transmitter would need to deliver 400mW of Instantaneous Peak Envelope Power into the 0.1 ohm radiation resistance which represents 0.2Vpk @ 2Apk. No big deal there. However, the monopole itself (after the loading coil) still has 2600 ohms of capacitive reactance which is driven by the 2Apk current. That's 5,200 volts and no I didn't slip several decimal points. Just by way of comparison, a 50 kW AM station has only has a mere 3200 volts at the common point on 100% modulation peaks! Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Nov 29 05:41:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46967 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 13:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 13:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 13:41:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 933 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2007 13:41:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xvskmpAVM1kOXZHxNSNVpHcaJxM70pRo8nBp2E7ghOwxh4jIyAheuNcWi6XPJ4YdJxN25CUhk0wULrJgb5kLy.cFvQKSdbXbmSc0aUI6N2IaJYWBxvJQUXUw9Q-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:41:45 PST Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:41:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <985431.99749.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: WDAB, WCSZ, Greenville, etc(Was; Serious question) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=i19Ovak_pRf2IzhgJ69S9xS3gS_DVHCQZT-JGLq2rY5sisS7E3M94ts X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Is "WABV-AM 1590" in C-Quam AM Stereo yet? If not, how can we help you get there? J ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Nov 29 05:48:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16806 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 13:48:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 13:48:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.188) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 13:48:47 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c24so1464070rvf for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:48:47 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.164.10 with SMTP id r10mr3271607rvo.1196344127506; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:48:47 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:48:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80711290548o65daba1fr853337f45255eb72@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:48:47 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: toledohamradio@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <985431.99749.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <985431.99749.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WDAB, WCSZ, Greenville, etc(Was; Serious question) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=OjfSN-8KoGNiXUZfv7bqY8ZgvoB8dqtyYzUzwL_8hDITRH40tTfUHL6U X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "The Mighty 1590" is NOT CQuam AM Stereo yet.. Id like it to be though.. I just don't havce the money to buy the necessary Stereo generating equipment and processing. If y'all want to pitch in and buy the necessary equipment, I'm all for it! :) On Nov 29, 2007 8:41 AM, John P. wrote: > Is "WABV-AM 1590" in C-Quam AM Stereo yet? > If not, how can we help you get there? > J > > __________________________________________________________ > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you > with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Nov 29 05:54:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99839 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 13:54:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 13:54:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.179) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 13:54:27 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so3601368pyb for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:54:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.70.17 with SMTP id x17mr7533256pyk.1196344466268; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:54:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:54:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80711290554y62a35a7evb2576e8d94f4e05a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:54:25 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <474D90ED.10504@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80711280307m59fc979cq40adf99d4731f70b@mail.gmail.com> <474D90ED.10504@gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WDAB, WCSZ, Greenville, etc(Was; Serious question) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=kFmHa1k16rn1G6V4jqTLKSGzpmQlGfZS_Jzi2rlyW4bchmejVQ4Y-vKh X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, the Gates BC1G is in good shape. As to why they got rid of it, they didn't need it anymore and weren't using it. I don't recall what they have for transmitters up there. William Boyd told me what they had, but I forget... (Pedantariffic Powell might remember) It isn't on the air yet because I've been waiting to get some new transmission cable in here. Right now, all I'ver got is RG8U running from the RCA BTA1M to the tower, hence why wer eonly at 250W and not a full 1KW. We also have to move the RCA BTA1M to another part of the transmitter room and move the Gates BC1G into service. As soon as the new cable comes in, we'll start getting abck up to full power and put the Gates BC1G into service. And Yes, The RCA BTA1M will be kept as a backup. (Only Powell knows who George is) LOL Paul On Nov 28, 2007 11:01 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > > I have WDAB's old Gates BC1G transmitter sitting here, can't wait to > get it up and running. > > That is a GREAT Low-Miles BC1G. I know Don Gowens kept it in tip-top > shape back in the WBBR days. Why did WDAB get rid of it? Did they buy a > solid state 5KW and keep the Continental as a back-up? I know that > Continental was in "As-New" condition as well. > > > it'll be a piece of cake to retune it from 1580 to 1590. > > > > IIRC, all you need to do is swap the crystal and re-tune the loading > coil, so why ain't it on the air now? Are you going to keep the RCA as a > back-up or is that your new 160 Meter Boat Anchor Net rig? > > Kevin > > . > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Nov 29 08:30:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76327 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 16:30:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 16:30:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.162.226) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 16:30:12 -0000 X-Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i28so1798693nzi for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:30:11 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.187.2 with SMTP id k2mr1978789wff.1196353811648; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:30:11 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k3sm7208142rog.2007.11.29.08.29.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:30:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474EE8F2.2050901@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:29:38 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <8bce0fe80711280307m59fc979cq40adf99d4731f70b@mail.gmail.com> <474D90ED.10504@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711290554y62a35a7evb2576e8d94f4e05a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80711290554y62a35a7evb2576e8d94f4e05a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WDAB, WCSZ, Greenville, etc(Was; Serious question) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=6rA78MpsaVOa7HS6kST-UCkwOcEWBKsAoRP3tBz0X-ha523z0tpIW70wO_ZU8A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > It isn't on the air yet because I've been waiting to get some new transmission cable in here. Right now, all I'ver got is RG8U running from the RCA BTA1M to the tower, hence why wer eonly at 250W and not a full 1KW. When I moved WFIS to the new building, I used 3/4" Andrew heliax from the transmitter to the ATU...Works GREAT! Kevin From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Nov 29 08:32:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42499 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 16:32:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 16:32:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.177) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 16:32:29 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so4163903pyb for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:32:29 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.27.1 with SMTP id e1mr71794pyj.1196353948980; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:32:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:32:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80711290832n3dc1e5d3j5c96c779b8135a5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:32:28 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <474EE8F2.2050901@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80711280307m59fc979cq40adf99d4731f70b@mail.gmail.com> <474D90ED.10504@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711290554y62a35a7evb2576e8d94f4e05a@mail.gmail.com> <474EE8F2.2050901@gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WDAB, WCSZ, Greenville, etc(Was; Serious question) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=QAEDPbdX-1MnQxRhaYGNjinl3A3f5vFI9rLEAYBMrsG2gNwv0ntDkatN X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an engineer from New Jersey shipping me some cable.. don't recall what it is, but its way better then what I have now! Paul On Nov 29, 2007 11:29 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > > It isn't on the air yet because I've been waiting to get some new > transmission cable in here. Right now, all I'ver got is RG8U running from > the RCA BTA1M to the tower, hence why wer eonly at 250W and not a full 1KW. > > When I moved WFIS to the new building, I used 3/4" Andrew heliax from > the transmitter to the ATU...Works GREAT! > > Kevin > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Nov 29 10:00:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31573 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 18:00:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 18:00:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.186) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 18:00:19 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so1550106rvb for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:00:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.15.19 with SMTP id s19mr3438657rvi.1196359219059; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:00:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y78sm3455145pyg.2007.11.29.10.00.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:00:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474EFDF6.6000201@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:59:18 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <000a01c8324b$4897c0e0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> In-Reply-To: <000a01c8324b$4897c0e0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Dose any one know???? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=sKLlfmH-5jo9XgvfE5xBFfMQgbNkQjmqn7rJXx1xic0fQMS4N-VphTFo5di9pg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Dose any here know if KWKH AM 1130 is a AM STEREO station. It ain't. > I mite be going to Mo. next spring. Just beware that normally you cannot hear KWKH here. It sounds like they are on their Day Non-D Antenna instead of their Night Directional antennas. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Nov 29 10:01:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36816 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 18:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 18:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.162) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 18:01:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 59861 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2007 18:01:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: K_3X1w8VM1lCoJbTBXhDnKEe49jacE0joR9BY41WncbIyLnw3BJPB48mAwZ9Pmltj8UeA7TvSw-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:01:46 PST Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:01:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <985431.99749.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <868419.58979.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: to get WABV in Stereo.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=KdhUIBSZ5fak8fIDoFTlapYr58u1QKwrxNzApaH05W0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "John P." wrote: > Is "WABV-AM 1590" in C-Quam AM Stereo yet? > If not, how can we help you get there? > J About $17,000 for a new transmitter and stereo audio processor would do it. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Nov 29 10:06:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74379 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 18:06:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 18:06:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.183) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 18:06:53 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so4346479pyi for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:06:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.91.1 with SMTP id t1mr7834989pyl.1196359608458; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:06:48 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:06:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80711291006v2ace0644k5d855f27b36024d0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:06:48 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <868419.58979.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <985431.99749.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <868419.58979.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} to get WABV in Stereo.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=3yxtdlJnE6WWGO1_BxG0qMarMdNfDvBsbkPAP5cWRnUhJqt47oxtGY8f X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We could probably get CQuam AM Stereo to work with the BC1G transmitter and a stereo processor, since the BC1G is in pretty good shape. Paul On Nov 29, 2007 1:01 PM, Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > --- "John P." > > wrote: > > > Is "WABV-AM 1590" in C-Quam AM Stereo yet? > > If not, how can we help you get there? > > J > > About $17,000 for a new transmitter and stereo audio > processor would do it. > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Nov 29 10:34:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62738 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 18:34:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 18:34:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ro-out-1112.google.com) (72.14.202.182) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 18:34:31 -0000 X-Received: by ro-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k5so3164609rog for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:34:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.96.6 with SMTP id y6mr7833771pyl.1196361270495; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:34:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v66sm1346636pyh.2007.11.29.10.34.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:34:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474F0608.3090101@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:33:44 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 72.14.202.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} KWKH 1130 was:Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=ZKTMYb1KXdPA3CDPTx_5oK2SqG6KzlUW4pJW5Ts6D1VRpC_zc2yo_McYz4dJ2g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Kevin, > > Whereabouts in Northwestern Missouri do you live and for how long? Daviess County, 7 Weeks. > Would WHB mean anything to you? That is a BLOW TORCH signal on 810, but I am NOT a Sports Fan, so I never listen. I find myself listening to KTTN AM STEREO 1600 or Short-Wave all of the time. At night I like to listen to CHWO 740. If you are talking about "Back in the days" I grew up listening to 4 stations. In the day I listened to WQOK 1440 Greenville, SC and WORD 910 Spartanburg, SC. At night it was WLAC 1510 Nashville, TN and WLS 890 Chicago, IL. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Nov 29 11:09:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4674 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 19:09:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 19:09:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.182) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 19:09:16 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so4147827pye for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:09:12 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.36.13 with SMTP id o13mr7891709pyj.1196363352494; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:09:12 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x56sm84471pyg.2007.11.29.11.09.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:09:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474F0E2D.9050206@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:08:29 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <8bce0fe80711280307m59fc979cq40adf99d4731f70b@mail.gmail.com> <474D90ED.10504@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711290554y62a35a7evb2576e8d94f4e05a@mail.gmail.com> <474EE8F2.2050901@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711290832n3dc1e5d3j5c96c779b8135a5@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80711290832n3dc1e5d3j5c96c779b8135a5@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WDAB, WCSZ, Greenville, etc(Was; Serious question) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=Jlo9AcCif0uHABdGwyOPew5QLvBM0d0GckP3eINWp2kXkLK9Ac45TL6F-7z8Bg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > I have an engineer from New Jersey shipping me some cable.. don't recall what it is, but its way better then what I have now! LOL Yea. RG8U should be able to do a Kilowatt. It will get warm, but wont melt down. I ran WFIS on RG8 into a Alpha-Delta Sloper while I rebuilt the ATU one time. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Nov 29 11:10:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69295 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 19:10:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 19:10:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.188) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 19:10:37 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g11so6218310rvb for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:10:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.48.10 with SMTP id a10mr295154rvk.1196363436281; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:10:36 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f77sm149381pyh.2007.11.29.11.10.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:10:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474F0E8E.8010508@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:10:06 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <868419.58979.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <868419.58979.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} to get WABV in Stereo.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=DykfaTWaF1tI5chQsWSWBskB71jv99ZeybQHsvvbeW4ftQRTbL4t4tAWKKT5WQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > About $17,000 for a new transmitter and stereo audio processor would do it. The BC-1G will do Stereo and sound good. Kevin From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 29 11:38:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32472 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 19:38:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 19:38:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.123) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 19:38:13 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.28] by n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2007 19:38:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.144] by t1.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2007 19:38:13 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp202.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2007 19:38:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 442638.3680.bm@omp202.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 24500 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2007 19:38:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZceJxKgVM1mB5PHNodmtS3HUyxN1YxlSWDA.n.Yh8cES1NNbSysBqaiXdv.lEslrjKeWEA5MLNwSXt371T3iSmgHhasuztEUAttk7mD6EvPS X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:38:12 PST Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:38:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <474F0608.3090101@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <404345.24326.qm@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} KWKH 1130 was:Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=J7qRdRMjrZWKNoJGfCniEBK5eJ1403_5m5hS5lBA-87_rYulTV0p X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke The Big Q! I remember it well. Miss stations like those! --- Possum Hunter wrote: > mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > Kevin, > > > > Whereabouts in Northwestern Missouri do you live > and for how long? > > Daviess County, 7 Weeks. > > > > Would WHB mean anything to you? > > > That is a BLOW TORCH signal on 810, but I am NOT a > Sports Fan, so I > never listen. I find myself listening to KTTN AM > STEREO 1600 or > Short-Wave all of the time. At night I like to > listen to CHWO 740. > > If you are talking about "Back in the days" I grew > up listening to 4 > stations. In the day I listened to WQOK 1440 > Greenville, SC and WORD 910 > Spartanburg, SC. At night it was WLAC 1510 > Nashville, TN and WLS 890 > Chicago, IL. > > Kevin > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. 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See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Nov 29 12:21:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88852 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 20:21:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 20:21:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.163) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 20:21:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 94993 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2007 20:21:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iUcxKJ4VM1nirb7NjoWflKlqkKVSU9pQvCo4XB7hOLzZRE6wCyNW6PGJkiJwaecHQZAs227l1g-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:21:10 PST Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:21:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <474F0E8E.8010508@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <213533.93362.qm@web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} to get WABV in Stereo.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=92JgpUIdaVQ1Ypj1U4YcmtB2WL2ujU6SH-ASpEY1VQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > About $17,000 for a new transmitter and stereo > audio processor would do it. > The BC-1G will do Stereo and sound good. But if someone donates, go for broke! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Nov 29 12:54:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24951 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 20:54:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 20:54:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.181) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 20:54:29 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so4506711pyi for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:54:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.86.12 with SMTP id o12mr7991334pyl.1196369668566; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:54:28 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u2sm151706pyb.2007.11.29.12.54.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:54:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474F26DE.8050800@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:53:50 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <404345.24326.qm@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <404345.24326.qm@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: WQOK Was:KWKH 1130 was:Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=GrA7YYZyMOeR2eVdB4BIkUHoM6wWbhMsalZJPGjl5_xwHVoSFmAdQcvPFDH4SA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 clemsonbloke wrote: > The Big Q! Broadcasting with FOUR TOWERS OF POWER! That was a fun station to listen to. > I remember it well. Miss stations like those! > I think we all do. Kevin From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Nov 29 14:23:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1296 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 22:23:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2007 22:23:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s25.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.225) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 22:23:13 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W34 ([64.4.19.134]) by bay0-omc3-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:23:11 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:23:11 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <474F26DE.8050800@gmail.com> References: <404345.24326.qm@web23001.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <474F26DE.8050800@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2007 22:23:11.0971 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D63DB30:01C832D6] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: Nashville Tennessee Antenna Array Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=9tIDiI0orQvBnf17OUfm-43ubKLBJ3PqxvSOVPksz3Ufx5P5LYon X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a question concerning Nashville Antenna arrays. Just off Interstate 24 in midtown Nashville there is a 8 antenna directional array. Can anyone identify this array as to station, power, etc. Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Nov 29 18:23:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40780 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 02:23:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2007 02:23:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 02:23:08 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ce8.1f115c43 (48552) for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:23:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:23:04 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nashville Tennessee Antenna Array Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=FcYEuw1-8oNgFiggkDmf28uRINqAFzAdFgu_IQUmB0tBtC7BnCvYvbL-2NAaT3kB X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael, I don't any Nashville station with an eight tower array. WNQM 1300 runs a 5-tower 1/4 wave array beaming 50,000 watts to the southeast. Of course, WSM still has it's single center guyed Blaw Knox on 650. Are you sure those are AM directional towers? Are the guy wires insulated? Mike. ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Nov 29 19:24:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67180 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 03:24:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2007 03:24:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.181) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 03:24:48 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so4067638pyb for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:24:48 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.131.13 with SMTP id i13mr8352990pyn.1196393088111; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:24:48 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:24:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80711291924h45c8c0cajf6395780afc29fc5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:24:48 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <213533.93362.qm@web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <474F0E8E.8010508@gmail.com> <213533.93362.qm@web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} to get WABV in Stereo.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=5gvkkdT0dqZEUvAiqlpLa2_QZ93zmLApMjJ1IDSrwT-t4ynFwtoWXNoR X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I certainly woud never turn down the "donation" of any equipment here..., ;=) Paul Walker WABV-AM 1590 NNNNN . > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Nov 29 19:26:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78959 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 03:26:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2007 03:26:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 03:26:43 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so4350246pyc for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:26:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.103.6 with SMTP id f6mr8353476pym.1196393202947; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:26:42 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:26:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80711291926q54e0672fnf7a7976885689649@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:26:42 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <474F0E2D.9050206@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80711280307m59fc979cq40adf99d4731f70b@mail.gmail.com> <474D90ED.10504@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711290554y62a35a7evb2576e8d94f4e05a@mail.gmail.com> <474EE8F2.2050901@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711290832n3dc1e5d3j5c96c779b8135a5@mail.gmail.com> <474F0E2D.9050206@gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WDAB, WCSZ, Greenville, etc(Was; Serious question) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=cKhi1xd9ptY_q_bVDrTIyNpaQQV4kJiyffRqa0FydjLfJkQbyqeEaBz6 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Possum: Well, with the bad shape my ATU is in and thje fact the RCA BTA1-M isn't working 100 percent either, the RG8U can't handle more then 500 Watts... I've found out the hard way. Ask Powell. Paul Walker NNNN On Nov 29, 2007 2:08 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > > I have an engineer from New Jersey shipping me some cable.. don't recall > what it is, but its way better then what I have now! > > LOL Yea. RG8U should be able to do a Kilowatt. It will get warm, but > wont melt down. I ran WFIS on RG8 into a Alpha-Delta Sloper while I > rebuilt the ATU one time. > > Kevin > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Nov 29 19:58:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61679 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 03:58:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2007 03:58:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s17.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.217) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 03:58:04 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W7 ([64.4.19.107]) by bay0-omc3-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:56:56 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:56:56 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2007 03:56:56.0790 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D1CBF60:01C83305] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Nashville Tennessee Antenna Array Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=Vb8L0nBeS17TjydzjjDeGGAWXXEs-abrCPwQjlw4mOZp-jwb2NAO X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, the wires are insulated. MTGC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: mjgrant@aol.comDate: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:23:04 -0500Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nashville Tennessee Antenna Array Question Michael,I don't any Nashville station with an eight tower array. WNQM 1300 runs a 5-tower 1/4 wave array beaming 50,000 watts to the southeast.Of course, WSM still has it's single center guyed Blaw Knox on 650.Are you sure those are AM directional towers? Are the guy wires insulated?Mike.**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products.(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Nov 30 07:02:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51293 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 15:02:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2007 15:02:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.177) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 15:02:08 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u52so5369513pyb for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:02:04 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.115.4 with SMTP id s4mr7783513qbm.1196434924243; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:02:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [65.66.130.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e19sm4768213qbe.2007.11.30.07.02.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:02:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <475025E0.8060501@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:01:52 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <8bce0fe80711280307m59fc979cq40adf99d4731f70b@mail.gmail.com> <474D90ED.10504@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711290554y62a35a7evb2576e8d94f4e05a@mail.gmail.com> <474EE8F2.2050901@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711290832n3dc1e5d3j5c96c779b8135a5@mail.gmail.com> <474F0E2D.9050206@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711291926q54e0672fnf7a7976885689649@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80711291926q54e0672fnf7a7976885689649@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WDAB, WCSZ, Greenville, etc(Was; Serious question) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=KlxTEbIQqekyaBajklPFc57VnuQde6lFq5cffgeJMaIempoKCyYLCHoq5pge-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > Well, with the bad shape my ATU is in and thje fact the RCA BTA1-M isn't working 100 percent either, the RG8U can't handle more then 500 Watts... > I've found out the hard way. > Oops! Got a little warm did it? Possum From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Nov 30 07:08:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24585 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 15:08:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2007 15:08:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.147) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 15:08:33 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.75]) by bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:07:39 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:07:39 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:07:37 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:07:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2007 15:07:39.0925 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFE3D450:01C83362] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: audio-stream.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=FuaZU-pTajH20c8qgmqZHFshpeKxGcgnOLc-tHTuMrJH X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd is it gone??? Can't seem to locate it. did they move the ftp server somewhere else?? I tried archive but it was blocked via robots.txt Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries http://www.ulc.org Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hunterdonfree Moderator NeighborhoodInformer NJ/PA http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NeighborhoodInformerNewJersey http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NeighborhoodInformerpennsylvania From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Nov 30 07:10:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63757 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 15:10:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2007 15:10:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.231) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 15:10:02 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so2106681wri for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:09:58 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.143.34.11 with SMTP id m11mr1186698wfj.1196435398568; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:09:58 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:09:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80711300709y398760fh652745f7d19eec05@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:09:58 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <475025E0.8060501@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80711280307m59fc979cq40adf99d4731f70b@mail.gmail.com> <474D90ED.10504@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711290554y62a35a7evb2576e8d94f4e05a@mail.gmail.com> <474EE8F2.2050901@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711290832n3dc1e5d3j5c96c779b8135a5@mail.gmail.com> <474F0E2D.9050206@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711291926q54e0672fnf7a7976885689649@mail.gmail.com> <475025E0.8060501@gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WDAB, WCSZ, Greenville, etc(Was; Serious question) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=-wH20wfIkG7ATyoDD3MJK5fGYMi8PpubX5U2_MyYnFsjf3GxUKYEKf6v X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yup, at least once due to "operator" error... and twice due to storms passing thru overloading the thing and knocking me off the air. Paul On Nov 30, 2007 10:01 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > > Well, with the bad shape my ATU is in and thje fact the RCA BTA1-M isn't > working 100 percent either, the RG8U can't handle more then 500 Watts... > > I've found out the hard way. > > > > Oops! Got a little warm did it? > > Possum > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Nov 30 07:33:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25410 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 15:32:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2007 15:32:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.162.226) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 15:32:59 -0000 X-Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id z31so1758164nzd for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:32:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.158.17 with SMTP id g17mr640180wfe.1196436779008; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:32:59 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [65.66.130.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q13sm4738439qbq.2007.11.30.07.32.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:32:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47502D27.9070400@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:32:55 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <8bce0fe80711280307m59fc979cq40adf99d4731f70b@mail.gmail.com> <474D90ED.10504@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711290554y62a35a7evb2576e8d94f4e05a@mail.gmail.com> <474EE8F2.2050901@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711290832n3dc1e5d3j5c96c779b8135a5@mail.gmail.com> <474F0E2D.9050206@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711291926q54e0672fnf7a7976885689649@mail.gmail.com> <475025E0.8060501@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711300709y398760fh652745f7d19eec05@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80711300709y398760fh652745f7d19eec05@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WDAB, WCSZ, Greenville, etc(Was; Serious question) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=tVgmy9wkn7n9rF371R6I6jq4sdFDz1eh5TAlM1C8BVQar4ET5IeWB6nQjSqO9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > Yup, at least once due to "operator" error... and twice due to storms passing thru overloading the thing and knocking me off the air. Yup, there is the Thunderstorms to factor in. When you re-build or replace that ATU, I would design it to be broadbanded enough to run HD-Radio. That will really make the Analog sound SWEET. Kevin From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Nov 30 07:50:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71033 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 15:50:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2007 15:50:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.179) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 15:50:40 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so4578855pye for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:50:37 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.135.20 with SMTP id m20mr2701230pyn.1196437836854; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:50:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:50:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80711300750y3260367bw5f7cc9667fcd4c80@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:50:36 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47502D27.9070400@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80711280307m59fc979cq40adf99d4731f70b@mail.gmail.com> <474D90ED.10504@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711290554y62a35a7evb2576e8d94f4e05a@mail.gmail.com> <474EE8F2.2050901@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711290832n3dc1e5d3j5c96c779b8135a5@mail.gmail.com> <474F0E2D.9050206@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711291926q54e0672fnf7a7976885689649@mail.gmail.com> <475025E0.8060501@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711300709y398760fh652745f7d19eec05@mail.gmail.com> <47502D27.9070400@gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WDAB, WCSZ, Greenville, etc(Was; Serious question) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=dlr9to6qbQKGyczMm7gkISm3oSshKaFbO1xLghiIQRgOy96O3-96b1Iu X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, we will never ever ever run HD Radio here, at least under my watch.. but it would be nice to have a finely working ATU. Paul On Nov 30, 2007 10:32 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > > Yup, at least once due to "operator" error... and twice due to storms > passing thru overloading the thing and knocking me off the air. > > Yup, there is the Thunderstorms to factor in. When you re-build or > replace that ATU, I would design it to be broadbanded enough to run > HD-Radio. That will really make the Analog sound SWEET. > > Kevin > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Nov 30 08:33:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95637 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 16:33:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2007 16:33:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.182) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 16:33:02 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so4626101pyi for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:33:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.180.9 with SMTP id h9mr18515396qbp.1196440377859; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:32:57 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [65.66.130.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e11sm4769987qbc.2007.11.30.08.32.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:32:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47503B34.7030304@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:32:52 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <8bce0fe80711280307m59fc979cq40adf99d4731f70b@mail.gmail.com> <474D90ED.10504@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711290554y62a35a7evb2576e8d94f4e05a@mail.gmail.com> <474EE8F2.2050901@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711290832n3dc1e5d3j5c96c779b8135a5@mail.gmail.com> <474F0E2D.9050206@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711291926q54e0672fnf7a7976885689649@mail.gmail.com> <475025E0.8060501@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711300709y398760fh652745f7d19eec05@mail.gmail.com> <47502D27.9070400@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711300750y3260367bw5f7cc9667fcd4c80@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80711300750y3260367bw5f7cc9667fcd4c80@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WDAB, WCSZ, Greenville, etc(Was; Serious question) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=X4JobCvBV4uDVnrcFkpYFuch0OUr_WOfzXLRhgCSF72rPtpS6JH-2J6IeSqQHw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > Well, we will never ever ever run HD Radio here, at least under my watch.. > but it would be nice to have a finely working ATU. Right, but an ATU broadbanded enough for HD will really sound GREAT on a C-QUAM station. One of the reasons AM Stereo flopped was stations treated the encoder as a "Magic Box" that would fix all of their ills. In fact, the very same upgrades required to make HD-Radio work are required to make C-QUAM work well. Kevin From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Nov 30 08:36:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56145 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 16:36:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2007 16:36:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.233) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 16:36:26 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 60so298889wri for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:36:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.78.122.16 with SMTP id u16mr9054475huc.1196440585277; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:36:25 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.78.138.1 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:36:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80711300836o4e8a6ca1ia30f023da954c7cb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:36:25 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47503B34.7030304@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80711280307m59fc979cq40adf99d4731f70b@mail.gmail.com> <474EE8F2.2050901@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711290832n3dc1e5d3j5c96c779b8135a5@mail.gmail.com> <474F0E2D.9050206@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711291926q54e0672fnf7a7976885689649@mail.gmail.com> <475025E0.8060501@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711300709y398760fh652745f7d19eec05@mail.gmail.com> <47502D27.9070400@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80711300750y3260367bw5f7cc9667fcd4c80@mail.gmail.com> <47503B34.7030304@gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WDAB, WCSZ, Greenville, etc(Was; Serious question) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=qAcd8Pkno3oskfOo5MfhzDFH2cXyhfkzKgG6ZVzqJvrV84IU_krU2yWy X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We will definately be getting the ATU fixed and properly tuned up here shortly.. but the money to go AM Stereo just isnt in the budget unfortunately! (What budget? LOL) Paul On Nov 30, 2007 11:32 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > > Well, we will never ever ever run HD Radio here, at least under my > watch.. > > but it would be nice to have a finely working ATU. > > Right, but an ATU broadbanded enough for HD will really sound GREAT on a > C-QUAM station. One of the reasons AM Stereo flopped was stations > treated the encoder as a "Magic Box" that would fix all of their ills. > In fact, the very same upgrades required to make HD-Radio work are > required to make C-QUAM work well. > > Kevin > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Nov 30 11:49:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70869 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 19:49:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2007 19:49:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.183) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 19:49:51 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so5384793pyi for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:49:47 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.119.14 with SMTP id w14mr5261993qbm.1196452186365; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:49:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [65.66.130.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f13sm5001568qba.2007.11.30.11.49.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:49:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47506943.7000503@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:49:23 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nashville Tennessee Antenna Array Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=bMxZunLXC4ivhp-iAC4-ZjzxA_l83Vtx37EEF6u4N5DraSKGxJNjgwzNY8MPIA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > Yes, the wires are insulated. Are these the towers you saw? http://www.wwcr.com/xmitter/fullsize/0912.htm Kevin From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Nov 30 12:12:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46985 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 20:12:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2007 20:12:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.213) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 20:12:15 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W25 ([64.4.19.125]) by bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:11:10 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:11:09 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <47506943.7000503@gmail.com> References: <47506943.7000503@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2007 20:11:10.0039 (UTC) FILETIME=[25F6B670:01C8338D] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Nashville Tennessee Antenna Array Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=rYgTFkTyKP8XphWFdShM4EJHjiJ1C_sMjdZ4Yc0POkjeqBQWODTM X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, these towers were not flared at the bottom, as memory serves. Also, there were 8 towers, two rows of four each. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: thepossumhunter@gmail.comDate: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:49:23 -0600Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nashville Tennessee Antenna Array Question MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote:> Yes, the wires are insulated.Are these the towers you saw?http://www.wwcr.com/xmitter/fullsize/0912.htmKevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Nov 30 14:32:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78359 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 22:32:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2007 22:32:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 22:32:10 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c4e.22b12065 (34916) for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:32:03 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmailbeta-m08 (webmailbeta-m08.sim.aol.com [64.12.141.100]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA031-886447508f63395; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:32:03 -0500 References: <47506943.7000503@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:32:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: <47506943.7000503@gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33060-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmailbeta-m08.sysops.aol.com (64.12.141.100) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:32:02 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA01B7F6BF6A86-E20-1613@webmailbeta-m08.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.141.100 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nashville Tennessee Antenna Array Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=iMeoV1EpHVhlUCZ7FyDJf3b4ruA4UsTWuIWG2ULG0dRcAtDclgEVNpnnAINkKmdH X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Those are four of WNQM AM 1300's five freestanding tower?directional array.?Apparently, shortwave station WWCR shares the same antenna location, but not the same array.? Looking at WWCR's antenna data on file, even Scotty couldn't kind of performance on shortwave from that array?even using?Captain Kirk's personal phasor to set the ratios and angles. Are the tower in a staggered picket fence arrangement? X??? ??????? ?X X ???????? X X ??????? X X ??????? X It sure sounds like a AM directional array, but darned if I know whose it could be.? Might be: A.? A Part 15 Broadcaster wanting to push the envelope of the FCC's interpretation of the "3 meter antenna rule". B.? A secret government?megawatt powered station on ultra clear channel 1,710 khz to carry Rush, Hannity, and O'Reilly. Mike Main Station Record - WWCR Permittee: WNQM, Inc. Call Sign: WWCR File Number: IHFLIC-19960220 Grant Date: 08/06/97 Expire Date: 11/01/01 Transmitter Location: 1300 WWCR Avenue Transmitter City: Nashville, TN Coordinates: 36 12 30 N Latitude 086 53 38 W Longitude Tower Heights: 26 Meters OHAGL 148 Meters OHAMSL Obstruction Markings: None Required Conditions: OHAGL: 26m OHAMSL: 148m Target Zones: 2,4,9-11,18,27-29,35,37-39,46-48,52,53,55,57,59, and 61 Address: WNQM,Inc. Radio Station WWCR 1300 WWCR Ave. Nashville, TN 37218 TRANSMITTERS: Power Number of Frequency Model (KW) Transmitters Emission Tolerence -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Continental Electronics 418-E 100.0 3 10K00A3E 0.0015% Continental Electronics 418-F 100.0 1 10K00A3E 0.0015% ANTENNAS: Gain Azimuth Beamwidth Elevation Model (dB) (Degrees) (Degrees) (Degrees) --------------------------------------------------------------- RHO 13.000 90.0 20.00 11.00 RHO 14.000 46.0 20.00 22.00 RHO 14.000 85.0 20.00 22.00 RHO 14.000 40.0 50.00 22.00 -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 1:49 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nashville Tennessee Antenna Array Question MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > Yes, the wires are insulated. Are these the towers you saw? http://www.wwcr.com/xmitter/fullsize/0912.htm Kevin ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp00050000000003 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Nov 30 14:49:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29157 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 22:49:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2007 22:49:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.171) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 22:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bda.1ce641b6 (60466) for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:47:29 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmailbeta-m10 (webmailbeta-m10.sim.aol.com [64.12.141.102]) by ciaaol-m01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM013-ec3247509301236; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:47:29 -0500 References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:47:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33060-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmailbeta-m10.sysops.aol.com (64.12.141.102) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:47:29 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA01BA1EE232DF-20E4-16D5@webmailbeta-m10.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.141.102 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Interesting Antenna Facts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=JJZZAQW69lVXUlCJuDNFglvQhwobw4kkfl_mcqhNybZB_A7LIhiddTdWwxuYA7Uq X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there anyone in the forum who is not landlocked?? I am working on an antenna.? I assume using an aluminum boat anchored in salt water as the ground?is the nearest thing there is an ideal ground plane. Mike -----Original Message----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 7:14 am Subject: {AMSF} Interesting Antenna Facts I've been doing some calculations for a Part 15 AM antenna and came up with some interesting numbers. A 108 inch ( 9 ft.) monopole made out of 1-inch copper pipe with an ideal ground of planetary proportions at 1,700 khz would have a capacitance of 36 pF with a radiation resistance of 0.1 ohm. A 242.854 uH loading coil at the base would tune out the reactive component leaving only the 0.1 ohm radiation resisitance. One 100% upward modulation peaks, a 100mW (carrier) output transmitter would need to deliver 400mW of Instantaneous Peak Envelope Power into the 0.1 ohm radiation resistance which represents 0.2Vpk @ 2Apk. No big deal there. However, the monopole itself (after the loading coil) still has 2600 ohms of capacitive reactance which is driven by the 2Apk current. That's 5,200 volts and no I didn't slip several decimal points. Just by way of comparison, a 50 kW AM station has only has a mere 3200 volts at the common point on 100% modulation peaks! Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp00050000000003 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Nov 30 17:46:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76248 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2007 01:46:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2007 01:46:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qb-out-0506.google.com) (72.14.204.231) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2007 01:46:32 -0000 X-Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f11so2464677qba for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:46:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.64.91.15 with SMTP id o15mr19562999qbb.1196473591889; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:46:31 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [65.66.130.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f18sm5269890qba.2007.11.30.17.46.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:46:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4750BCE6.5040004@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:46:14 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <47506943.7000503@gmail.com> <8CA01B7F6BF6A86-E20-1613@webmailbeta-m08.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CA01B7F6BF6A86-E20-1613@webmailbeta-m08.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 72.14.204.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nashville Tennessee Antenna Array Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=_sCRo9pzV7Wqr36HrWe8z_g4P1cKKR3aoLTZqxVDeWffN9ZQwbtCYKzSuQAfGg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > even Scotty couldn't kind of performance on shortwave from that array?even using?Captain Kirk's personal phasor to set the ratios and angles. WWRB has a MUCH better antenna! Kevin From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Nov 30 17:54:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29616 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2007 01:54:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2007 01:54:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.222) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2007 01:54:36 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W28 ([64.4.19.128]) by bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:54:09 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:54:09 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4750BCE6.5040004@gmail.com> References: <47506943.7000503@gmail.com> <8CA01B7F6BF6A86-E20-1613@webmailbeta-m08.sysops.aol.com> <4750BCE6.5040004@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2007 01:54:09.0862 (UTC) FILETIME=[107E7E60:01C833BD] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Nashville Tennessee Antenna Array Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=E2d1G_iJUA4zymllBUmNpR7EXe8uO3pCVZ9bKE6hC8MqGDDmSliu X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, the antenna's are not picket fenced. They are aligned 4 to a side. MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Nov 30 19:00:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mjgrant@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74003 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2007 03:00:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2007 03:00:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.8) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2007 03:00:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2007 03:00:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2007 03:00:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:00:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4750BCE6.5040004@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 198.209.225.228 From: "grant_at_hardscrapple" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nashville Tennessee Antenna Array Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=S02i1ireys9L4GbZ-0pzWVi8tION65dtv_3jySmMZNqITBT73sBK2HfzzaazrUjM X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple I was referring to attempting to use that 1300 khz array to do=20 shortwave. It would be interesting to see its phaser cabinet after=20 someone tried to make it swallow a 100 grand of 19 meter power. Any ideas on this mystery station? I suppose one could call the FCC=20 field office in Nashville and ask who it belongs to. If the black=20 bag folks show up at your house and carry you off, then it might=20 possibly belong to the Government. Mike --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > > mjgrant@... wrote: > > even Scotty couldn't kind of performance on shortwave from that=20 array?even using?Captain Kirk's personal phasor to set the ratios and=20 angles. >=20 > WWRB has a MUCH better antenna! >=20 > Kevin > From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Nov 30 19:12:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mjgrant@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30794 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2007 03:12:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2007 03:12:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2007 03:12:49 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2007 03:12:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2007 03:12:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2007 03:12:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:12:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <868419.58979.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 198.209.225.228 From: "grant_at_hardscrapple" Subject: Powell's Email Address X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=1qxk6erHj8XdNMaUQgIT44eowEmkTGXEdTW7OcCxMw5feGOjJ4z1rfet9n247Mza X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > =20 Powell, Don't you know when you spell out your email address that way it makes=20 it difficult for the spam robots to easily parse it? You're missing out=20 on some really great things. For example, I am going to get some generic Viagra with the money left=20 over after I pay off my on-line mortgage with the funds the Nigerian=20 Minister of Finance will be putting in my bank account now that I sent=20 him my account information. Mike From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Nov 30 19:21:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92181 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2007 03:21:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2007 03:21:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2007 03:21:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 75572 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2007 03:21:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jLg4CjIVM1m2vJUQN5GuV_Dop1ZIwugBHBG6IL0204MkROKvaJUR.P6TNAX.Q6N35RwnTgPGfw-- X-Received: from [209.213.18.59] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:21:46 PST Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:21:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <759896.75568.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Powell's Email Address X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=6O1AZ0SGI6tDKNQmxijEAiBsyuPV8oreFAaiPTzpoXg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- grant_at_hardscrapple wrote: > > Powell > > > > NNNN > > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > > Powell, > > Don't you know when you spell out your email address > that way it makes > it difficult for the spam robots to easily parse it? > You're missing out > on some really great things. > > For example, I am going to get some generic Viagra > with the money left > over after I pay off my on-line mortgage with the > funds the Nigerian > Minister of Finance will be putting in my bank > account now that I sent > him my account information. LOL. I get tons of spam over there, but there spam catcher catches it. I check it often, as every now and then a good email gets trapped. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 30 19:36:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79712 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2007 03:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2007 03:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2007 03:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2007 03:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2007 03:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2007 03:36:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:36:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80711300750y3260367bw5f7cc9667fcd4c80@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.35.136.84 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: WDAB, WCSZ, Greenville, etc(Was; Serious question) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=FQQXS5ZYuTTlaaBemHmPEDjPf2qn-rkzuvY9jJxSy1pQXXeiX7wDf8acdHTe_CIsa886MbbE X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 wrote: > > Well, we will never ever ever run HD Radio here, at least under my=20 watch.. > but it would be nice to have a finely working ATU. >=20 > Paul >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Nov 30, 2007 10:32 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: >=20 > > Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > > > Yup, at least once due to "operator" error... and twice due to=20 storms > > passing thru overloading the thing and knocking me off the air. > > > > Yup, there is the Thunderstorms to factor in. When you re-build or > > replace that ATU, I would design it to be broadbanded enough to=20 run > > HD-Radio. That will really make the Analog sound SWEET. > > > > Kevin > > > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Pual C-QuAM would be good any where any time!!!!! JIm S From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 30 19:54:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55453 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2007 03:54:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2007 03:54:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.234) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2007 03:54:37 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2007 03:54:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2007 03:54:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2007 03:54:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:54:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CA01BA1EE232DF-20E4-16D5@webmailbeta-m10.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.35.136.84 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Interesting Antenna Facts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=siBG4j-x2XcbVhdLTqRskF4MNxWQiD_bpb3xUnyH8JCyYahVV9Zy0BPty03fyJsfqJtuFBpc X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Is there anyone in the forum who is not landlocked?? I am working=20 on an antenna.? I assume using an aluminum boat anchored in salt=20 water as the ground?is the nearest thing there is an ideal ground=20 plane. >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: mjgrant@... > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 7:14 am > Subject: {AMSF} Interesting Antenna Facts >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I've been doing some calculations for a Part 15 AM antenna and came=20 up with=20 > some interesting numbers. >=20 > A 108 inch ( 9 ft.) monopole made out of 1-inch copper pipe with an=20 ideal=20 > ground of planetary proportions at 1,700 khz would have a=20 capacitance of 36 pF=20 > with a radiation resistance of 0.1 ohm. >=20 > A 242.854 uH loading coil at the base would tune out the reactive=20 component=20 > leaving only the 0.1 ohm radiation resisitance. One 100% upward=20 modulation=20 > peaks, a 100mW (carrier) output transmitter would need to deliver=20 400mW of=20 > Instantaneous Peak Envelope Power into the 0.1 ohm radiation=20 resistance which=20 > represents 0.2Vpk @ 2Apk. No big deal there. >=20 > However, the monopole itself (after the loading coil) still has=20 2600 ohms of=20 > capacitive reactance which is driven by the 2Apk current. That's=20 5,200 volts=20 > and no I didn't slip several decimal points. Just by way of=20 comparison, a 50=20 > kW AM station has only has a mere 3200 volts at the common point on=20 100%=20 > modulation peaks! >=20 > Mike >=20 > ************************************** > Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest=20 > products. >=20 > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? NCID=3Daoltop00030000000001) >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________________________ __ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! -=20 http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm? ncid=3Daolcmp00050000000003 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > HI Mike I don't know about any thing eles but aluminun I don't think=20 will last very long in salt water. Old KFRC AM 610 now KEAR AM 610=20 TX is in a salt water marsh neer Berkly Ca and I live about 30 miles=20 north east of Sacramento Ca so that would put me at about the 100=20 mile mark from there TX. And I can hear them just like a local and=20 thay are only 5kw. Jim S From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Dec 01 03:03:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29786 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2007 11:03:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2007 11:03:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2007 11:03:13 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2007 11:03:13 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2007 11:03:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2007 11:03:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:03:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.15.154 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: audio-stream.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Fh6hb0E9qAxURQp-SU7irB6xoxBu86ymILv-UkCIvNKZ6hlN X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > > is it gone??? Can't seem to locate it. did they move the ftp server=20 > somewhere else?? >=20 > I tried archive but it was blocked via robots.txt Still working here: http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/andromeda.php Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Dec 01 05:55:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17020 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2007 13:55:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2007 13:55:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2007 13:55:40 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c8d.1b0fe60a (42805) for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:55:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:55:26 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Interesting Antenna Facts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ElyTfzWHbL1LJldt6CfYauIUuwTk4yGhLPKSGJoZ1YFDBnmD2FdQ2obesTxrYYDk X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim, First, KFRC was a great station. It would come though strong and clear in beautiful AM Stereo when the FMers high atop Mt. Sutro would fade away. Second, I forgot about salt water and aluminum. Here in Midwest, metal boats are traditionally aluminum because that is what Native Americans used to build their canoes, many of which are still around today for float trips in the Ozarks. At least that was what the outfitter told me. It am going to be making a trip for an estate I administer in Southern Arkansas in a couple of weeks. Near the town of Louann just north of Smackover, there is a place called the Blue Hole. In the 20s, an oil rig drilled into a saltwater dome causing it to collapse, swallowing the rig which was never recovered. A saltwater lake about 10 acres in size formed in the crater. The depth of area in the center, about 100 yards across, is so deep it has never been measured, even with ocean going sonar which only shows side echos. I wonder if I could borrow someone's aluminum bass boat to use as groundplane. I could always drop a wire down the hole as long as necessary. When I worked at LTV Aerospace about 20 miles north of the Blue Hole we tried lowering a weight on a monofilament fishing line to test the depth. 1000 ft. of line was not enough. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Dec 01 10:27:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13612 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2007 15:40:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2007 15:40:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qb-out-0506.google.com) (72.14.204.233) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2007 15:40:35 -0000 X-Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f11so2497160qba for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:40:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.64.148.8 with SMTP id v8mr20966665qbd.1196523631241; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:40:31 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [65.66.130.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e11sm5545156qbc.2007.12.01.07.40.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:40:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4751806C.7000408@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 09:40:28 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 72.14.204.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Interesting Antenna Facts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=wJnlWQRVmAM9jECY4AnhTUJFgrxhIIZnUc10G_7xle8tmWUggJa3wscKnKwbXA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Here in Midwest, metal boats are traditionally aluminum because that is what Native Americans used to build their canoes, many of which are still around today for float trips in the Ozarks. At least that was what the outfitter told me. > ROFLMAO!!!! In order to make Aluminum, it takes HUGE amounts of Electricity and is a fairly High-Tech process. Aluminum was almost unknown before 1900. Native Americans made their canoes out of mostly Wood and bark. But YES, that saltwater lake would make a GOOD Ground. Kevin From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Dec 01 10:35:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75994 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2007 18:28:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2007 18:28:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2007 18:28:46 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.55.158] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071201122844001865600004> for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:28:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <032201c83448$58ca4600$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <985431.99749.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <868419.58979.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8bce0fe80711291006v2ace0644k5d855f27b36024d0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:28:44 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} to get WABV in Stereo.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=G_OPboKEpJ7RhqaYHaGoKIJEBVI4OJpEL9dSwTyqoTjNZbu-Qof4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got a Gates 1G from one of the first AM stereo stations in MN. The current engineer is going to try and shake loose the stereo generator and possibly the modulation monitor for me. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. We could probably get CQuam AM Stereo to work with the BC1G transmitter and a stereo processor, since the BC1G is in pretty good shape. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Dec 01 10:41:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27915 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2007 18:30:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2007 18:30:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2007 18:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.55.158] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071201123024002055300004> for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:30:24 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <033101c83448$93fa4040$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <60637.50153.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:30:24 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=0OKgyn7dwf41BvsIbINQB_zi5-tZecosUQDu_7OQO4ozHKvoCDZ6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not necessarily. Minneapolis/St. Paul is far more liberal than that area and our local liberal talker doesn't do so well. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke I bet old WORD would shit it's pants if someone came to town and made 1070 a liberal talker! Yeah the area is all conservative but imagine 50K of a liberal talker versus 5k of conservative. Oh I can dream can't I, hehehehehehe! --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 01 11:04:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30059 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2007 19:04:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2007 19:04:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.91) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2007 19:04:29 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2007 19:04:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.144] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2007 19:04:29 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp202.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2007 19:04:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 548474.14454.bm@omp202.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 8408 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2007 19:04:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2NyPwNMVM1nSI7gtwKiDwNWfhyOq0Du8Qd2GAam8nJFTK.9ZwsOr7qQxu2IOSJIuIZxGPqu9mVo2sJL1KIsCtBWMpL2T7K4VY3Oxitsh5fW4 X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:04:28 PST Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:04:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <033101c83448$93fa4040$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <519787.6134.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=X1MlmFs_EIqYeECW1K8Re_veJl8nC2QziumVZsYhPoNgHXaXWIBp X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yeah but it would be funny to have a liberal torch (50k)compared to that conservative spark (5k) that WORD is. Bwahahahah! --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > Not necessarily. Minneapolis/St. Paul is far more > liberal than that area and our local liberal talker > doesn't do so well. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clemsonbloke > > > > I bet old WORD would shit it's > pants if someone came to town and made 1070 a > liberal > talker! Yeah the area is all conservative but > imagine > 50K of a liberal talker versus 5k of conservative. > Oh > I can dream can't I, hehehehehehe! > > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From robert.w.welch@att.net Sat Dec 01 11:17:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10254 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2007 19:17:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2007 19:17:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.195) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2007 19:17:01 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n4.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2007 19:17:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2007 19:17:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2007 19:17:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:16:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <033101c83448$93fa4040$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=Ik0dkd-lSqbRC0Jnt20PsCWLtYR6JPm-s49qzfZsWbmVkROUDvaE X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Could that be because WCCO is king of the roost and with few=20 exceptions... say when the CBS folks took over and at one point put=20 Rush Limbaugh on, then quickly yanked him off... always has been? I read that "When WCCO was Cookin' Book" book. I miss listening to Cannon... for a while 'CCO was heard on the bird=20 as an audio sub with the MSC sports channel. Bob --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Not necessarily. Minneapolis/St. Paul is far more liberal than=20 that area and our local liberal talker doesn't do so well. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: clemsonbloke=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 > I bet old WORD would shit it's > pants if someone came to town and made 1070 a liberal > talker! Yeah the area is all conservative but imagine > 50K of a liberal talker versus 5k of conservative. Oh > I can dream can't I, hehehehehehe! >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Dec 01 11:28:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7693 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2007 19:28:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2007 19:28:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.92) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2007 19:28:54 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.14]) by bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:27:31 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:27:31 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.15 by BLU108-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:27:27 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:27:26 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2007 19:27:31.0030 (UTC) FILETIME=[37536760:01C83450] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=txLrcuZmlRz1lXR_2jthyT_JFBUh4lzuWxgcs0iN-bzla4-njlZNCIkeaYI X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If the progressive/liberal station in question in Minnesota--that doesn't do to well in the ratings, is the station licensed to St. Louis Park, MN, it would have to have some extraordinary programming to have decent ratings. Their frequency is 950 kc and they are 1,000 watts day and night and directional both day and night. (changing patterns day and night). Looks as though they cover about 2/3 of the metro Minneapolis/St.Paul area during the day and roughly half during the night-time hours. The fact that they are being leased gives me a clue, they weren't doing all that well in previous formats, which isn't surprising considering their signal doesn't adequately cover the metro market in the day, let alone night. -----Original Message----- From: clemsonbloke Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2007 2:04 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious question.... Yeah but it would be funny to have a liberal torch (50k)compared to that conservative spark (5k) that WORD is. Bwahahahah! --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > Not necessarily. Minneapolis/St. Paul is far more > liberal than that area and our local liberal talker > doesn't do so well. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clemsonbloke > > > > I bet old WORD would shit it's > pants if someone came to town and made 1070 a > liberal > talker! Yeah the area is all conservative but > imagine > 50K of a liberal talker versus 5k of conservative. > Oh > I can dream can't I, hehehehehehe! > > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. 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Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 01 16:29:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98966 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2007 00:29:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2007 00:29:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.218) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2007 00:29:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2007 00:29:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2007 00:29:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:29:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.147.22 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Interesting Antenna Facts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=cRadkIOOyHRe2ILNHmSenA7IfHf3RZ3TTfsfGexZzJwzS1CCylMowmZduicz-xAxMgw4aH-o X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Jim, >=20 > First, KFRC was a great station. It would come though strong and=20 clear in=20 > beautiful AM Stereo when the FMers high atop Mt. Sutro would fade=20 away. >=20 > Second, I forgot about salt water and aluminum. Here in Midwest,=20 metal boats=20 > are traditionally aluminum because that is what Native Americans=20 used to=20 > build their canoes, many of which are still around today for float=20 trips in the=20 > Ozarks. At least that was what the outfitter told me. >=20 > It am going to be making a trip for an estate I administer in=20 Southern=20 > Arkansas in a couple of weeks. Near the town of Louann just north=20 of Smackover,=20 > there is a place called the Blue Hole. In the 20s, an oil rig=20 drilled into a=20 > saltwater dome causing it to collapse, swallowing the rig which was=20 never=20 > recovered. A saltwater lake about 10 acres in size formed in the=20 crater. The depth=20 > of area in the center, about 100 yards across, is so deep it has=20 never been=20 > measured, even with ocean going sonar which only shows side echos.=20=20 I wonder if=20 > I could borrow someone's aluminum bass boat to use as groundplane.=20=20 I could=20 > always drop a wire down the hole as long as necessary. > When I worked at LTV Aerospace about 20 miles north of the Blue=20 Hole we tried=20 > lowering a weight on a monofilament fishing line to test the=20 depth. 1000 ft.=20 > of line was not enough. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************************************** > Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest=20 > products. >=20 > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? NCID=3Daoltop00030000000001) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Mike Wow that a deep hole mike. Yes your right KFRC was a great=20 station in the 90's and in the 70's. I miss them greatly in AM=20 STEREO here east of Sacramento Ca. Even I saw aluminum ceroad just in=20 the wether. Jim S From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Dec 01 18:08:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69888 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2007 02:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2007 02:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.171) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2007 02:08:31 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cf7.220170cd (39332) for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:03:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:03:17 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Interesting Antenna Facts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=D0rmvJz_07eEd2_kzs6Idk-lggrr2GoIIlECO_6HZ9xaOOBiyZ0Gz3wwcajNjIA3 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim, A little aluminum corrosion is good. The base metal oxidizes to form a protective coating of aluminum oxide which is impervious to just about anything. Out in the rural areas here in the Midwest, there are aluminum tube TV yagis that have been up since Ralph threatened to send Alice to the Moon. Did you know that in the early 19th. Century aluminum was more valuable than gold? Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Dec 01 18:20:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73562 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2007 02:20:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2007 02:20:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.170) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2007 02:20:06 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c4d.23e87347 (39332) for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:05:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:05:47 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Interesting Antenna Facts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=cSgEoNJeQpPFpboBJ2mzKsYBmXVdtm-Hti1Bpf7f4gH71se_64jnsp7O_UgWzcAn X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone every tried measuring the input voltage to a whip antenna AFTER the loading coil? Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 01 21:57:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75212 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2007 05:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2007 05:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.33) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2007 05:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2007 05:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2007 05:57:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:57:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.48.127 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Interesting Antenna Facts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=0RFP9OFryx8QztGavIoSeKlCI4lvcJRc2Uv0wziQZ5smzFiEUpSgMqqm8fcV4vlmHZwgr89z X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Jim, >=20 > A little aluminum corrosion is good. The base metal oxidizes to=20 form a=20 > protective coating of aluminum oxide which is impervious to just=20 about anything.=20=20 > Out in the rural areas here in the Midwest, there are aluminum tube=20 TV yagis=20 > that have been up since Ralph threatened to send Alice to the Moon. >=20 > Did you know that in the early 19th. Century aluminum was more=20 valuable than=20 > gold?=20=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************************************** > Check out AOL's list of 2007's=20 > hottest products. >=20 > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? NCID=3Daoltop00030000000001) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Mike I forgot about TV ant's. Now a days you mite want to keep=20 your eye on your ant's with metal theves around now. I would hate to=20 be in a aluminum boat in a mid west thunder storm. Are you lucky=20 enough to hear any AM STEREO in your area ? I am not. Can't get any=20 in good enough to hear. Jim Smith=20 From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Dec 02 08:13:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28469 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2007 16:13:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2007 16:13:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2007 16:13:52 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d33.1be4bd87 (29678) for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:13:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:13:50 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Interesting Antenna Facts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ucvGo08xmC563TXsAXTcGC0LaYZNO2J_NUKXZCpvbhm9UeRl2JIfvfZCIFCKU785 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/1/07 11:57:38 PM Central Standard Time, jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net writes: > Are you lucky > enough to hear any AM STEREO in your area ? Here in St. Louis, I can get KCJJ 1630 out of Iowa City and WLS 890 out of Chicago. KCJJ during the day is weak but listenable because there is no interference. WLS has a stronger signal but there is an strong adjacent station during the day. At night, when WLS fades in and out, it produces platform shift. KCJJ plays comtemporary and oldies which sounds great. WLS has talk which I can get locally. Our hometown KMOX, the Voice of Medicare, has HD but rarely anything I like to listen to. Many stations here in St. Louis are AM stereo capable. They just don't use it. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 02 08:56:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1705 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2007 16:55:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2007 16:55:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (216.252.100.62) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2007 16:55:59 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2007 16:55:59 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2007 16:55:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.132] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2007 16:55:59 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp105.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2007 16:55:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 124422.20662.bm@omp105.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 25220 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2007 16:55:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FqYEegIVM1l5L1L31z.KQiNtIj83B1ewzshLfehvbKBYeutdhh__GP2ytuSvCQ5D.vsww4E5X2107OSxtzDUwoVbDhQ_s83mofwqs2sWPTdn X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:55:58 PST Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 08:55:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <225816.25197.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 216.252.100.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Interesting Antenna Facts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=rVk9KMkjgY5pGpR3ND-Fk9qK8y3__1s0LsmdOtUTyvaIToFBawNy X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Someone mentioned Indians using aluminum, LOL!!! I can't help but think thats about as fake as Iron Eyes Cody was an Indian but maybe he used aluminum, LOL!!!!! --- jim smith wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... > wrote: > > > > Jim, > > > > A little aluminum corrosion is good. The base > metal oxidizes to > form a > > protective coating of aluminum oxide which is > impervious to just > about anything. > > Out in the rural areas here in the Midwest, there > are aluminum tube > TV yagis > > that have been up since Ralph threatened to send > Alice to the Moon. > > > > Did you know that in the early 19th. Century > aluminum was more > valuable than > > gold? > > > > Mike > > > > > > ************************************** > > Check out AOL's list of 2007's > > hottest products. > > > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? > NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Hi Mike I forgot about TV ant's. Now a days you > mite want to keep > your eye on your ant's with metal theves around now. > I would hate to > be in a aluminum boat in a mid west thunder storm. > Are you lucky > enough to hear any AM STEREO in your area ? I am > not. Can't get any > in good enough to hear. Jim Smith > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 02 08:58:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62233 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2007 16:58:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2007 16:58:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n1c.bullet.mail.tp2.yahoo.com) (203.188.202.126) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2007 16:58:10 -0000 X-Received: from [202.43.196.225] by n1.bullet.mail.tp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2007 16:58:09 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by t2.bullet.tpe.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2007 16:58:09 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.111.167] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2007 16:58:08 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp102.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2007 16:58:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 969396.47667.bm@omp102.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 81675 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2007 16:58:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NSTMJmEVM1kn5eOS.bWwo3IXkSAIpgwPhHVwqIiESFIicMB1zyy.Xz53pGMtx36xOgM9nxtei4Z_obUXmESQuua.yb.9cbvbQGmeLLI1AAkn X-Received: from [71.15.95.203] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:58:08 PST Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 08:58:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <104401.79224.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 203.188.202.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Interesting Antenna Facts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=4SlkGq34DY8NrfNlh7FFJoVd7awLjYw__nHSvYON09jOM7KqbUX3 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I can get WLS in AM stereo here in Greenville on my dad's Town and Country when I borrow it from him. You tune into 890 and oila' AM ST comes right up! No lag! --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/1/07 11:57:38 PM Central > Standard Time, > jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net writes: > > > > Are you lucky > > enough to hear any AM STEREO in your area ? > > Here in St. Louis, I can get KCJJ 1630 out of Iowa > City and WLS 890 out of > Chicago. KCJJ during the day is weak but listenable > because there is no > interference. WLS has a stronger signal but there > is an strong adjacent station > during the day. At night, when WLS fades in and > out, it produces platform shift. > > KCJJ plays comtemporary and oldies which sounds > great. WLS has talk which I > can get locally. Our hometown KMOX, the Voice of > Medicare, has HD but rarely > anything I like to listen to. > > Many stations here in St. Louis are AM stereo > capable. They just don't use > it. > > Mike > > > > > ************************************** > Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest > products. > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Dec 02 09:14:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50987 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2007 17:14:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2007 17:14:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2007 17:14:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ca9.203aba44 (42807) for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 12:14:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 12:14:36 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Interesting Antenna Facts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Z0OHMmHNawqRozvKBiZLKnDU-8C6syRptjHNldtt57lOS2HdsTUIzVLTNC3Ex0s7 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An Ozark canoe outfitter told me they use aluminum canoes because it was what the Native American Indians used centuries ago. The Alcoa tribe was famous for their aluminum canoes. Their descendents abandoned the ancient craft, preferring to run casinos and sell cheap cigarettes. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Sun Dec 02 09:17:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73598 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2007 17:17:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2007 17:17:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp115.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.96.88) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2007 17:17:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54200 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2007 17:17:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@76.252.184.252 with login) by smtp115.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2007 17:17:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SgM51DMVM1kE9tcH6WaX6x59By7q8yCcBEE5HGYuh.ctG03SkMZ9sBNKfPY7cWchyu2khPwiatHDeGTqqp6eaPuY81CnVbipemHSZfpPXzH9gnTtPckL6jmqn.prPyGNTIOp3u7qIxDcQRw- Message-ID: <001f01c83507$2f1222a0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 12:17:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071202-0, 12/02/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 66.196.96.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Interesting Antenna Facts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=i_ocbvT45cVJ7G_js9hNuWXVu6mOzpr9dqhrnI0qRL6Gj8g X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > First, KFRC was a great station. It would come though strong and clear in > beautiful AM Stereo when the FMers high atop Mt. Sutro would fade away. I was in San Francisco in the mid 70's (before AM Stereo) and got a chance to listen to KFRC for several days. I must say, whoever built the airchain for KFRC was a genius. Other than the mono audio, KFRC sounded as good (or better) than most of today's FM stations. An astounding frequency response, smooth, clean bass and lots of high end (it was before NRSC, but I've heard several 'good' AM's, even operating under NRSC guidelines). Their airchain was the best I'd ever heard and I doubt if I will ever hear another sound as good. Again, I don't know who the CE was during the 70's but it was an incredible sounding station built on and pushing the limit, not to mention 70+ year old technology. As for AM Stereo, I thought WHAS sounded as good as any AM station broadcasting during the 80's (I never got to sample KFRC when they went AM Stereo). Since WHAS is now all News/Talk, they are no longer in stereo and sound like every other Clear Channel Worldwide 50,000 watt talk, squishing their audio into 5 KHz, and heavy dynamic processing. There is still a favorite of mine.... WZZB in Seymour Indiana, which still broadcasts in C-Quam stereo and still plays music (a Gold-Based Adult Contemporary). They are a 1,000 watt daytimer (70 watts at night) on 1390 kHz so you won't be DXing this station in Bangor Maine, but if you have an AM stereo in your vehicle, and you get a chance to drive up I-65 from Louisville to Indianapolis, when you get to the Seymour exit (exit 50) punch them up and see how AM Stereo can still sound... even under the NRSB limits. Again , they sound better than some FM's. -Jim Burgan- From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 02 11:41:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72100 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2007 19:41:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2007 19:41:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.161) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2007 19:41:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 76400 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2007 19:41:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: D6xqwKEVM1mOiIYFxoTDKgGOq7ZaH3u4keoQmm4IPHgHWMF6SiI5X5xQ8G6g2bkbUo5KW3kv5g-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 11:41:15 PST Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:41:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <932299.28330.qm@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <503226.76347.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Powell's Email Address X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=JaZX5xeCkbyKPNzdz5sr2KBMIbGN28XQKVq7dy8ytR0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "John P." wrote: > Powell, I thought I was the only one that got that > secret email from > the Minister of Finance in Nigeria - aw, now I gotta > share my 13 > million US dollars with you too? yup... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Dec 02 14:08:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58096 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2007 22:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2007 22:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2007 22:08:18 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.55.112] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071202160752000770000003> for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:07:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002d01c83530$2258b3c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:07:52 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=0DwR_nLye2crA0J9FeUnBQh6uw95syWDegJHwLK3yz_pJG51WGWc X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's the one I was thinking of. I don't think it's leased time anymore, though I could be wrong. It was bought with the specific intentions of becoming a liberal alternative in talk radio but it could have changed hands since then and the new owners are leasing it to someone keeping the format. Their signal is actually better than the three I work at- 980 is 5kW but their pattern is pretty narrow. 1280 misses a lot of the SE metro at night whereas 950 only has a notch in that direction. 1570 is crippled by its high dial position and low night power. If I had the money, I'd buy 950 myself and put a Christian Country format on it- in AM stereo, of course! WCCO is center-left and they make at least a minor attempt at being fair. Plus they tend to concentrate on the local which is why they're still at or near the top of the ratings. CBS did a blood letting some years ago and ended their glory days. They're sometimes #2 in the ratings book, usually losing out to the KQ-92 morning show. Limbaugh was never on 'CCO. He was on KSTP for the longest time until Clear Channel pulled him and a few other programs away from them when they flipped one of their FMs to talk. He's their #1 audience grabber. The CBS folks hired some rather irritating hosts like Ruth Kozliak, though. Then they tried to get rid of her because she was killing their ratings but couldn't because of her contract and she was shunted off to 950 which they owned prior to being sold to the chick who took it lefty talk. Cannon is long gone- retired. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Donn Tillman If the progressive/liberal station in question in Minnesota--that doesn't do to well in the ratings, is the station licensed to St. Louis Park, MN, it would have to have some extraordinary programming to have decent ratings. Their frequency is 950 kc and they are 1,000 watts day and night and directional both day and night. (changing patterns day and night). Looks as though they cover about 2/3 of the metro Minneapolis/St.Paul area during the day and roughly half during the night-time hours. The fact that they are being leased gives me a clue, they weren't doing all that well in previous formats, which isn't surprising considering their signal doesn't adequately cover the metro market in the day, let alone night. From: Bob Welch Could that be because WCCO is king of the roost and with few exceptions... say when the CBS folks took over and at one point put Rush Limbaugh on, then quickly yanked him off... always has been? I read that "When WCCO was Cookin' Book" book. I miss listening to Cannon... for a while 'CCO was heard on the bird as an audio sub with the MSC sports channel. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Dec 02 14:09:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46987 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2007 22:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2007 22:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.244) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2007 22:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2007 22:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2007 22:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2007 22:09:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:09:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.101.103 From: "Kevin T." Subject: 1350 WHWH back in Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=ENhKudb2NQHlUL9xaCdvy2_OdAGYVmwQkMAWJphtc2Xyr33Q-A X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I am happy to report that thanks to engineer Neal Newman, 1350 WHWH=20 in Princeton, NJ is once again transmitting C-Quam AM Stereo for the=20 first time in nearly a decade! WHWH currently has a wide variety=20 music format called "Radio TED", with local sports and public affairs=20 programming on weekends. WHWH is also transmitting at 1250 watts=20 non-directional; when repairs to the tower array are complete, it=20 will return to 5000 watts directional. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Dec 02 14:16:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52427 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2007 22:16:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2007 22:16:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2007 22:16:32 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id y63so5614088pyg for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:16:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.91.1 with SMTP id t1mr1663451pyl.1196633791314; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:16:31 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 14:16:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80712021416k32aeb134w10b3d9c424059a0e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 17:16:31 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1350 WHWH back in Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=uvxITGqGn5ecMmrafHnDJUeXe_Yf15H3cAXxIvOj_QUFomGLcMps_fhm X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neal told me, Friday night, in person, that he had recently installed AM Stereo on WHWH. The football games are a fairly new thing too, i don't think they've been going on for too long. Paul On Dec 2, 2007 5:09 PM, Kevin T. wrote: > I am happy to report that thanks to engineer Neal Newman, 1350 WHWH > in Princeton, NJ is once again transmitting C-Quam AM Stereo for the > first time in nearly a decade! WHWH currently has a wide variety > music format called "Radio TED", with local sports and public affairs > programming on weekends. WHWH is also transmitting at 1250 watts > non-directional; when repairs to the tower array are complete, it > will return to 5000 watts directional. > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Dec 02 15:56:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59242 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2007 23:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2007 23:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s33.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.233) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2007 23:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.11]) by bay0-omc3-s33.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 2 Dec 2007 15:56:22 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 15:56:22 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.16 by BLU108-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:56:18 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:56:18 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2007 23:56:22.0334 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0BECDE0:01C8353E] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1350 WHWH back in Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=J5dgZ3kexVP6dLso1LUgANaAEvcGZdCCWlyIM0twohdk1_TtKvKFp9UPMOI X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is good news. Congratulations to Neal as well as all the listeners in the Princeton area that now are able to have a good am-stereo station to listen to. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Dec 02 16:00:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8424 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2007 00:00:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2007 00:00:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2007 00:00:28 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so6112893pye for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:00:27 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.26.14 with SMTP id d14mr409063pyj.1196640027244; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:00:27 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 16:00:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80712021600j6057ffc1nd2aab1cb9d57bc64@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 19:00:27 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1350 WHWH back in Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=UuryfWiws1S4frXiPcsYP1204jfpTJsabFpLTO9Q--LHgC2A8eUPgCmV X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And the listeners that get to hear my voice once or twice an hour on the esteemed AM Stereo 1350 "Radio ted ;=) Paul Walker On Dec 2, 2007 6:56 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > > That is good news. > > Congratulations to Neal as well as all the listeners in the Princeton area > that now are able to have a good am-stereo station to listen to. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Dec 02 16:20:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84302 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2007 00:20:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2007 00:20:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.228) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2007 00:20:52 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.16]) by bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 2 Dec 2007 16:20:52 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 16:20:52 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.16 by BLU108-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:20:47 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:20:46 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2007 00:20:52.0417 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CFBAB10:01C83542] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1350 WHWH back in Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=Db2ze6ZApWZ7cI9GZITuVNFz_i9dvvSInyGt7YHUuznytX0eFR5tNmd4hVg X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Once WHWH is back to full power and everything settles down to a dull roar, either Paul or Neal (or both) need to download some airchecks! ~~~~~Original Message~~~~~~~ From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2007 7:00 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1350 WHWH back in Stereo! ?And the listeners that get to hear my voice once or twice an hour on the esteemed AM Stereo 1350 "Radio ted ;=) Paul Walker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Dec 02 16:30:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 423 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2007 00:30:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2007 00:30:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.179) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2007 00:30:48 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so6145877pyi for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:30:47 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.93.1 with SMTP id v1mr2075460pyl.1196641847526; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:30:47 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 16:30:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80712021630m4a806a93nbf6f14ae663205c5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 19:30:47 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1350 WHWH back in Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=0TI8e0IuHJElLQLzRV4QZKS9Jrz5C95qgpckW-3wVKQde22gihhuvg9p X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have some airchecks, but they weren't recorded in AM Stereo.. if anyone wants them, I'll be glad to post them. (Kevin got them for me) On Dec 2, 2007 7:20 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Once WHWH is back to full power and everything settles down to a dull > roar, either Paul or Neal (or both) need to download some airchecks! > > ~~~~~Original Message~~~~~~~ > > From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. > Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2007 7:00 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1350 WHWH back in Stereo! > > ?And the listeners that get to hear my voice once or twice an hour on the > esteemed AM Stereo 1350 "Radio ted ;=) > > Paul Walker > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Sun Dec 02 18:12:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68647 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2007 02:12:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2007 02:12:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.179) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2007 02:12:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2007 02:12:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2007 02:12:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2007 02:12:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:12:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002d01c83530$2258b3c0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.19.95.58 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=A2kPvMztAIdQDSrTlGRl856pJekPAjRaUff13TcP1308uvBTpoTZ X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 I know Cannon retired... I recorded his last show ending with his=20 famous "I've got the money..." with the cash register sounds after.=20=20 Then, the sounds of his "imfamous basement studio" being un- plugged... We all heard a dial tone after.=20=20 The only reason why I thought Rush Limbaugh was on 'CCO.. perhaps for=20 only one day... was due to reading the book entitled "When 'CCO was=20 Cookin' Book." I also recall reading that the complaint meter shot=20 to the stratosphere when they aired him... which would make sense. I=20 honestly don't think he was on for more than a week... maybe just a=20 day.=20=20 That recording and book is down at my parents house where I'll be=20 sure to fetch both during sometime I will have down there.=20=20 Bob --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > That's the one I was thinking of. I don't think it's leased time=20 anymore, though I could be wrong. It was bought with the specific=20 intentions of becoming a liberal alternative in talk radio but it=20 could have changed hands since then and the new owners are leasing it=20 to someone keeping the format. Their signal is actually better than=20 the three I work at- 980 is 5kW but their pattern is pretty narrow.=20=20 1280 misses a lot of the SE metro at night whereas 950 only has a=20 notch in that direction. 1570 is crippled by its high dial position=20 and low night power. If I had the money, I'd buy 950 myself and put=20 a Christian Country format on it- in AM stereo, of course! >=20 > WCCO is center-left and they make at least a minor attempt at being=20 fair. Plus they tend to concentrate on the local which is why=20 they're still at or near the top of the ratings. CBS did a blood=20 letting some years ago and ended their glory days. They're sometimes=20 #2 in the ratings book, usually losing out to the KQ-92 morning=20 show. Limbaugh was never on 'CCO. He was on KSTP for the longest=20 time until Clear Channel pulled him and a few other programs away=20 from them when they flipped one of their FMs to talk. He's their #1=20 audience grabber. The CBS folks hired some rather irritating hosts=20 like Ruth Kozliak, though. Then they tried to get rid of her because=20 she was killing their ratings but couldn't because of her contract=20 and she was shunted off to 950 which they owned prior to being sold=20 to the chick who took it lefty talk. Cannon is long gone- retired. >=20 > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Donn Tillman=20 >=20 > If the progressive/liberal station in question in Minnesota--that=20 doesn't do to well in the ratings, is the station licensed to St.=20 Louis Park, MN, it would have to have some extraordinary programming=20 to have decent ratings. >=20 > Their frequency is 950 kc and they are 1,000 watts day and night=20 and directional both day and night. (changing patterns day and=20 night). Looks as though they cover about 2/3 of the metro=20 Minneapolis/St.Paul area during the day and roughly half during the=20 night-time hours. >=20 > The fact that they are being leased gives me a clue, they weren't=20 doing all that well in previous formats, which isn't surprising=20 considering their signal doesn't adequately cover the metro market in=20 the day, let alone night. >=20 > From: Bob Welch >=20 > Could that be because WCCO is king of the roost and with few=20 > exceptions... say when the CBS folks took over and at one point=20 put=20 > Rush Limbaugh on, then quickly yanked him off... always has been? >=20 > I read that "When WCCO was Cookin' Book" book. >=20 > I miss listening to Cannon... for a while 'CCO was heard on the=20 bird=20 > as an audio sub with the MSC sports channel. >=20 >=20 > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Dec 02 18:17:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88389 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2007 02:17:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2007 02:17:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.241) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2007 02:17:30 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d30so732603and for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:17:27 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.227.20 with SMTP id z20mr2470055ang.1196648246940; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:17:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 18:17:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80712021817ld6aacc8ifdd50409fbbb3aa3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 21:17:26 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Radio Ted 1350 WHWH Princeton, NJ Airchecks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=q6SWW2nzlp7A42MvyQptmbIPaqVyNABKJI23_ZdAqZHXdqWQwNr7x-jR X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They are not in stereo, but Kevin Tekel got these several months ago for me They are both 46 minutes 20 seconds long and encoded at 48K/32hz, aobut 9 megs each. http://www.walkerbroadcasting/mp3files/RadioTed1.mp3 http://www.walkerbroadcasting.com/mp3files/Radioted1a.mp3 -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Dec 02 18:19:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85496 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2007 02:19:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2007 02:19:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2007 02:19:29 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u52so6201569pyb for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:19:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.30.8 with SMTP id h8mr12390794pyj.1196648368457; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:19:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 18:19:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80712021819v74756073je80d232f620e3dee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 21:19:28 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80712021817ld6aacc8ifdd50409fbbb3aa3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80712021817ld6aacc8ifdd50409fbbb3aa3@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Ted 1350 WHWH Princeton, NJ Airchecks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=VsG1-52_g25BgMf6GGJ86ynN-Tx2Wc3SslYOHKs-ERnU7fzU1x5pkNTj X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, crap, that second link won't work unless the T is capatalized http://www.walkerbroadcasting.com/mp3files/RadioTed1a.mp3 On Dec 2, 2007 9:17 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > They are not in stereo, but Kevin Tekel got these several months ago for > me > > They are both 46 minutes 20 seconds long and encoded at 48K/32hz, aobut 9 > megs each. > > http://www.walkerbroadcasting/mp3files/RadioTed1.mp3 > http://www.walkerbroadcasting.com/mp3files/Radioted1a.mp3 > > -- > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Dec 02 23:08:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36887 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2007 07:08:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2007 07:08:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2007 07:08:07 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c05.2653067a (34954) for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 02:07:56 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-192.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.192]) by cia-da06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA063-888a4753ab49356; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:07:55 -0500 Message-ID: <007801c8357b$39426040$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 23:07:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.192 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=BLOhibrBNZX5j1pdhMce1XGhENMwRY0KXIv_iTYP2FNY6yCfuXZj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wouldn't mind hearing that can you post it when you get it? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Welch To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Serious question.... I know Cannon retired... I recorded his last show ending with his famous "I've got the money..." with the cash register sounds after. Then, the sounds of his "imfamous basement studio" being un- plugged... We all heard a dial tone after. The only reason why I thought Rush Limbaugh was on 'CCO.. perhaps for only one day... was due to reading the book entitled "When 'CCO was Cookin' Book." I also recall reading that the complaint meter shot to the stratosphere when they aired him... which would make sense. I honestly don't think he was on for more than a week... maybe just a day. That recording and book is down at my parents house where I'll be sure to fetch both during sometime I will have down there. Bob --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > That's the one I was thinking of. I don't think it's leased time anymore, though I could be wrong. It was bought with the specific intentions of becoming a liberal alternative in talk radio but it could have changed hands since then and the new owners are leasing it to someone keeping the format. Their signal is actually better than the three I work at- 980 is 5kW but their pattern is pretty narrow. 1280 misses a lot of the SE metro at night whereas 950 only has a notch in that direction. 1570 is crippled by its high dial position and low night power. If I had the money, I'd buy 950 myself and put a Christian Country format on it- in AM stereo, of course! > > WCCO is center-left and they make at least a minor attempt at being fair. Plus they tend to concentrate on the local which is why they're still at or near the top of the ratings. CBS did a blood letting some years ago and ended their glory days. They're sometimes #2 in the ratings book, usually losing out to the KQ-92 morning show. Limbaugh was never on 'CCO. He was on KSTP for the longest time until Clear Channel pulled him and a few other programs away from them when they flipped one of their FMs to talk. He's their #1 audience grabber. The CBS folks hired some rather irritating hosts like Ruth Kozliak, though. Then they tried to get rid of her because she was killing their ratings but couldn't because of her contract and she was shunted off to 950 which they owned prior to being sold to the chick who took it lefty talk. Cannon is long gone- retired. > > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Donn Tillman > > If the progressive/liberal station in question in Minnesota--that doesn't do to well in the ratings, is the station licensed to St. Louis Park, MN, it would have to have some extraordinary programming to have decent ratings. > > Their frequency is 950 kc and they are 1,000 watts day and night and directional both day and night. (changing patterns day and night). Looks as though they cover about 2/3 of the metro Minneapolis/St.Paul area during the day and roughly half during the night-time hours. > > The fact that they are being leased gives me a clue, they weren't doing all that well in previous formats, which isn't surprising considering their signal doesn't adequately cover the metro market in the day, let alone night. > > From: Bob Welch > > Could that be because WCCO is king of the roost and with few > exceptions... say when the CBS folks took over and at one point put > Rush Limbaugh on, then quickly yanked him off... always has been? > > I read that "When WCCO was Cookin' Book" book. > > I miss listening to Cannon... for a while 'CCO was heard on the bird > as an audio sub with the MSC sports channel. > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Dec 02 23:08:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35182 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2007 07:08:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2007 07:08:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2007 07:08:43 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c8d.1b37c293 (34979) for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 02:08:30 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-192.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.192]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA084-88a34753ab6c309; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:08:29 -0500 Message-ID: <008001c8357b$4dd2a880$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <8bce0fe80712021817ld6aacc8ifdd50409fbbb3aa3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 23:08:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.192 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Ted 1350 WHWH Princeton, NJ Airchecks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=WBry4q5KyFadkEhjewfk7npU_zWIXHI8y5O6jK_D2bN895Z0JCva Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can not find server ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 6:17 PM Subject: {AMSF} Radio Ted 1350 WHWH Princeton, NJ Airchecks They are not in stereo, but Kevin Tekel got these several months ago for me They are both 46 minutes 20 seconds long and encoded at 48K/32hz, aobut 9 megs each. http://www.walkerbroadcasting/mp3files/RadioTed1.mp3 http://www.walkerbroadcasting.com/mp3files/Radioted1a.mp3 -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Dec 02 23:09:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37218 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2007 07:09:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2007 07:09:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2007 07:09:08 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bf8.20590bfd (34980) for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 02:09:00 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-192.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.192]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA085-88a44753ab8a387; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:08:59 -0500 Message-ID: <008a01c8357b$5fad1f90$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <8bce0fe80712021817ld6aacc8ifdd50409fbbb3aa3@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80712021819v74756073je80d232f620e3dee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 23:08:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.192 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Ted 1350 WHWH Princeton, NJ Airchecks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=_ZoUqAcTL9fa3mNhmYCLS32g0xEhuzcGUTEdQPeyZV81kzrnD1K3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can you repost the first one? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 6:19 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Ted 1350 WHWH Princeton, NJ Airchecks Well, crap, that second link won't work unless the T is capatalized http://www.walkerbroadcasting.com/mp3files/RadioTed1a.mp3 On Dec 2, 2007 9:17 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > They are not in stereo, but Kevin Tekel got these several months ago for > me > > They are both 46 minutes 20 seconds long and encoded at 48K/32hz, aobut 9 > megs each. > > http://www.walkerbroadcasting/mp3files/RadioTed1.mp3 > http://www.walkerbroadcasting.com/mp3files/Radioted1a.mp3 > > -- > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Dec 02 23:11:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51821 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2007 07:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2007 07:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.177) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2007 07:11:21 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u52so6354555pyb for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:11:17 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.84.9 with SMTP id m9mr12696110pyl.1196665877547; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:11:17 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 23:11:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80712022311s66a7b55fvb2653d1de9013ee6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 02:11:17 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008a01c8357b$5fad1f90$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80712021817ld6aacc8ifdd50409fbbb3aa3@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80712021819v74756073je80d232f620e3dee@mail.gmail.com> <008a01c8357b$5fad1f90$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Ted 1350 WHWH Princeton, NJ Airchecks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=nlEoeQKD-IyzbrgxY5Q3nIE7UfoBDAxCQSYzps07zqtVAPiOx0H8ER-v X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.walkerbroadcasting.com/mp3files/RadioTed1.mp3 is the proper link. Paul On Dec 3, 2007 2:08 AM, hank smith wrote: > can you repost the first one? > thanks > Hank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 6:19 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Ted 1350 WHWH Princeton, NJ Airchecks > > Well, crap, that second link won't work unless the T is capatalized > > http://www.walkerbroadcasting.com/mp3files/RadioTed1a.mp3 > > On Dec 2, 2007 9:17 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. > > > wrote: > > > They are not in stereo, but Kevin Tekel got these several months ago for > > me > > > > They are both 46 minutes 20 seconds long and encoded at 48K/32hz, aobut > 9 > > megs each. > > > > http://www.walkerbroadcasting/mp3files/RadioTed1.mp3 > > http://www.walkerbroadcasting.com/mp3files/Radioted1a.mp3 > > > > -- > > Sincerely, > > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > -- > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Dec 02 23:16:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60661 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2007 07:16:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2007 07:16:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2007 07:16:58 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c4a.24a7a52e (34943) for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 02:16:42 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-192.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.192]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA054-887f4753ad571bb; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:16:40 -0500 Message-ID: <009e01c8357c$7289a7e0$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <8bce0fe80712021817ld6aacc8ifdd50409fbbb3aa3@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80712021819v74756073je80d232f620e3dee@mail.gmail.com> <008a01c8357b$5fad1f90$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> <8bce0fe80712022311s66a7b55fvb2653d1de9013ee6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 23:16:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.192 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Ted 1350 WHWH Princeton, NJ Airchecks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=G6cD76oMbFRgWOhMIsSEmj3innre9CAXCrGPoz3cbRWpxwCCg4op Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 11:11 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Ted 1350 WHWH Princeton, NJ Airchecks http://www.walkerbroadcasting.com/mp3files/RadioTed1.mp3 is the proper link. Paul On Dec 3, 2007 2:08 AM, hank smith wrote: > can you repost the first one? > thanks > Hank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 6:19 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Ted 1350 WHWH Princeton, NJ Airchecks > > Well, crap, that second link won't work unless the T is capatalized > > http://www.walkerbroadcasting.com/mp3files/RadioTed1a.mp3 > > On Dec 2, 2007 9:17 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. > > > wrote: > > > They are not in stereo, but Kevin Tekel got these several months ago for > > me > > > > They are both 46 minutes 20 seconds long and encoded at 48K/32hz, aobut > 9 > > megs each. > > > > http://www.walkerbroadcasting/mp3files/RadioTed1.mp3 > > http://www.walkerbroadcasting.com/mp3files/Radioted1a.mp3 > > > > -- > > Sincerely, > > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > -- > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Mon Dec 03 00:01:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92341 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2007 08:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2007 08:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.217) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2007 08:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2007 08:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2007 08:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2007 08:01:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 08:01:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007801c8357b$39426040$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Serious question.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=CAZkhaaSO-lYWPqRlBL5iRrpAxDE2YEGxMTb2IOYbscLHK3__Z7x X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 No problem... I flagged the message. Bob --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > I wouldn't mind hearing that can you post it when you get it? > thanks > Hank > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Bob Welch=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 6:12 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Serious question.... >=20 >=20 > I know Cannon retired... I recorded his last show ending with his=20 > famous "I've got the money..." with the cash register sounds=20 after.=20 > Then, the sounds of his "imfamous basement studio" being un- > plugged... We all heard a dial tone after.=20 >=20 > The only reason why I thought Rush Limbaugh was on 'CCO.. perhaps=20 for=20 > only one day... was due to reading the book entitled "When 'CCO=20 was=20 > Cookin' Book." I also recall reading that the complaint meter=20 shot=20 > to the stratosphere when they aired him... which would make=20 sense. I=20 > honestly don't think he was on for more than a week... maybe just=20 a=20 > day.=20 >=20 > That recording and book is down at my parents house where I'll be=20 > sure to fetch both during sometime I will have down there.=20 >=20 > Bob > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > That's the one I was thinking of. I don't think it's leased=20 time=20 > anymore, though I could be wrong. It was bought with the specific=20 > intentions of becoming a liberal alternative in talk radio but it=20 > could have changed hands since then and the new owners are=20 leasing it=20 > to someone keeping the format. Their signal is actually better=20 than=20 > the three I work at- 980 is 5kW but their pattern is pretty=20 narrow.=20 > 1280 misses a lot of the SE metro at night whereas 950 only has a=20 > notch in that direction. 1570 is crippled by its high dial=20 position=20 > and low night power. If I had the money, I'd buy 950 myself and=20 put=20 > a Christian Country format on it- in AM stereo, of course! > >=20 > > WCCO is center-left and they make at least a minor attempt at=20 being=20 > fair. Plus they tend to concentrate on the local which is why=20 > they're still at or near the top of the ratings. CBS did a blood=20 > letting some years ago and ended their glory days. They're=20 sometimes=20 > #2 in the ratings book, usually losing out to the KQ-92 morning=20 > show. Limbaugh was never on 'CCO. He was on KSTP for the longest=20 > time until Clear Channel pulled him and a few other programs away=20 > from them when they flipped one of their FMs to talk. He's their=20 #1=20 > audience grabber. The CBS folks hired some rather irritating=20 hosts=20 > like Ruth Kozliak, though. Then they tried to get rid of her=20 because=20 > she was killing their ratings but couldn't because of her=20 contract=20 > and she was shunted off to 950 which they owned prior to being=20 sold=20 > to the chick who took it lefty talk. Cannon is long gone- retired. > >=20 > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: Donn Tillman=20 > >=20 > > If the progressive/liberal station in question in Minnesota-- that=20 > doesn't do to well in the ratings, is the station licensed to St.=20 > Louis Park, MN, it would have to have some extraordinary=20 programming=20 > to have decent ratings. > >=20 > > Their frequency is 950 kc and they are 1,000 watts day and=20 night=20 > and directional both day and night. (changing patterns day and=20 > night). Looks as though they cover about 2/3 of the metro=20 > Minneapolis/St.Paul area during the day and roughly half during=20 the=20 > night-time hours. > >=20 > > The fact that they are being leased gives me a clue, they=20 weren't=20 > doing all that well in previous formats, which isn't surprising=20 > considering their signal doesn't adequately cover the metro=20 market in=20 > the day, let alone night. > >=20 > > From: Bob Welch > >=20 > > Could that be because WCCO is king of the roost and with few=20 > > exceptions... say when the CBS folks took over and at one point=20 > put=20 > > Rush Limbaugh on, then quickly yanked him off... always has=20 been? > >=20 > > I read that "When WCCO was Cookin' Book" book. > >=20 > > I miss listening to Cannon... for a while 'CCO was heard on the=20 > bird=20 > > as an audio sub with the MSC sports channel. > >=20 > >=20 > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! --=20 > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 03 05:36:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86730 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2007 13:36:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2007 13:36:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.210) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2007 13:36:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19261 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2007 13:36:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.155.147.82 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2007 13:36:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZF0nC9YVM1n1QsDx0RdhtmXU5I_0Ryc7TQKprNDUDSDXrv_lQt38jRJfx1HL4eFf0i2Ib_SFCg-- Message-ID: <000c01c835b1$84cbee60$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 05:36:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: KGO AM HD 810 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=4_HpZFVnGWry_aAUpOqqdKLuF7wwrDW_5xo0t9IpfNrZnAafN7-xmWZrMQ2Z95GaqZJ5pIQ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I thought you all would like know that KGO AM HD 810 is back on with HD radio. There HD radio has down been of for a long time. I don't know yet if there going to run Don Imus yet. I guess I will find out soon. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 03 05:46:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86079 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2007 13:46:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2007 13:46:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2007 13:46:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2007 13:46:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2007 13:46:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:46:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c835b1$84cbee60$20a4fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.147.82 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KGO AM HD 810 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=7xo5AXDqTmwDZmeadbWCqQsx816rqZi1GvRFWHk0geiY5gsVPlKlvs0sYUEmupRSzjQY1sk2 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang I thought you all would like know that KGO AM HD 810 is=20 back on with HD radio. There HD radio has been down of for a long=20 time. I don't know yet if there going to run Don Imus yet. I guess I=20 will find out soon. Jim S >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > AHHHH BETTER JIM S From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Dec 03 23:32:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3618 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2007 07:32:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2007 07:32:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.112) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2007 07:32:23 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2007 07:32:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2007 07:32:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2007 07:32:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:32:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c835b1$84cbee60$20a4fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.28.234 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: KGO AM HD 810 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=dPLIvnQ_dx_8NnJ06yVwMyjFAznZaOFBOeIyzNbRF8ggle8h X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang I thought you all would like know that KGO AM HD 810 is back on with HD radio. There HD radio has down been of for a long time. I don't know yet if there going to run Don Imus yet. I guess I will find out soon. Jim S >=20 Other than Bob Brinker's Money Talk, KGO has no plans of carrying any non-local talk shows. That's what makes KGO so unusual amongst the ABC/Citadel stable of stations. It's also why KGO has remained the Bay Area's top-ranked station for more than 25 years, now. (Yes, Dr. Dean Edell is local to KGO- He lives in Marin.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Dec 04 21:56:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4184 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2007 05:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2007 05:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.228) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2007 05:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.85]) by bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 21:56:30 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 21:56:30 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 05:56:30 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:58:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2007 05:56:30.0641 (UTC) FILETIME=[95204A10:01C83703] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: B.E. AX-10 Exciter Manuals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=2JEyTkexKiWgaxDJqeGcYtYm1iFY2Rf8fI7PrW6g_Sl0 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I am now the new owner of Kevin Tekel's old Broadcast Electronics AX-10 C-QuAM Exciter. I am in need of a manual for this item. Does anyone have one they can scan? I'm also looking for a Delta ASE-2 Manual Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Hunterdon PC Recycling Glen Gardner, NJ 08826 Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree From djjayarnold@yahoo.com Tue Dec 04 23:56:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: djjayarnold@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33088 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2007 07:56:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2007 07:56:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.155) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2007 07:56:45 -0000 X-Received: from [217.12.4.214] by n7.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2007 07:56:44 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by t1.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2007 07:56:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.155] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2007 07:56:44 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2007 07:56:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 657464.6228.bm@omp403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 75310 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Dec 2007 07:56:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.106.59.35] by web45314.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:56:44 PST Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 23:56:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <405225.74530.qm@web45314.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Jay Arnold Subject: KGO HD OFF was Re: {AMSF} Re: KGO AM HD 810 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317204437; y=4H5qDDx0LW2NdY-YOdZyHGSjwDqR1bF7Dzqb3AtAHEKLDQRF2rM X-Yahoo-Profile: djjayarnold --- Amy Mousie wrote: > Other than Bob Brinker's Money Talk, KGO has no > plans of carrying any non-local talk shows. That's > what makes KGO so unusual amongst the ABC/Citadel > stable of stations. It's also why KGO has remained > the Bay Area's top-ranked station for more than 25 > years, now. > (Yes, Dr. Dean Edell is local to KGO- He lives in > Marin.) Actually, I've read in at least two different Bay Area newspapers that Dean Edell now broadcasts his radio shows via satellite from Branscomb, in northern Mendocino County, California...and Dean no longer does KGO-TV medical reports, just his radio show... BTW, tonight, the K G O HD went back OFF and has not returned as of 11:55 p.m. 12/4/07...in Napa, it was trying to kick back on and couldn't, and the same at my friend's home in Santa Clara, which is MUCH closer to the KGO xmtr than my home...go figure... --jay The Official DJ Jay Homepage is: < http://www.geocities.com/jayjarnold > Accept no cheaper imitation than that. 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Dec 05 10:40:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45824 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2007 18:40:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2007 18:40:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.170) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2007 18:40:28 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d2c.18f9dcbf (60434) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:38:23 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmailbeta-m07 (webmailbeta-m07.sim.aol.com [64.12.141.99]) by ciaaol-d01.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD013-ec124756f01f3d9; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:38:23 -0500 References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:38:23 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33060-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmailbeta-m07.sysops.aol.com (64.12.141.99) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:38:23 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA0585269A4EB9-1360-45A2@webmailbeta-m07.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.141.99 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} B.E. AX-10 Exciter Manuals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=rOKkyR7pLutlfD2dmKbfc6NhYxi66J-xLDGKTna4ZmKU3mk90ZRF4vtAWxjuMXoE X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't have a manual, but unless the cost is unreasonable,? I would be interested in sharing one. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:58 pm Subject: {AMSF} B.E. AX-10 Exciter Manuals I am now the new owner of Kevin Tekel's old Broadcast Electronics AX-10 C-QuAM Exciter. I am in need of a manual for this item. Does anyone have one they can scan? I'm also looking for a Delta ASE-2 Manual Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Hunterdon PC Recycling Glen Gardner, NJ 08826 Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. 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Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2007 17:42:35.0339 (UTC) FILETIME=[62DDF1B0:01C8382F] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Fw: Request for information from BE web site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=KdbEMqAKXqRV1mtrFbSFqP-oy-dwJ9TapfrIwUX7W6ML X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd For all who need the AX10 manual from BE keep checking their website. se below.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Peters" To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" ; "RF Service" Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: RE: Request for information from BE web site Dear Rev. Chrysafis, We are scanning this document to a PDF. It should be available in the discontinued manuals section of our website in a couple of days. The manuals are listed in alphabetical order. I have provided a link to this page for your conveinience: http://www.bdcast.com/support/manual.php?dis_flag=t Thank you for your patience and I will send you a follow-up e-mail when we post it on the web. Best regards, -- Stuart Peters Manager RF Customer Service Broadcast Electronics Inc. RF Technical Support +1 (217)224-9617 Fax: +1 (217)224-9607 www.bdcast.com/support -----Original Message----- From: Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis [mailto:kc8gpd@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:22 PM To: RF Service Subject: Request for information from BE web site Hi, I am a amateur radio operator and recently got a AX10 C-QuAM Exciter and was going to experiment with it under FCC Part 15 Rules. I did not get a manual with it and would like to inquire about optaining an electronic copy of the manual for this exciter. I am operating off a hobbyist budget and cannot afford a whole lot of greenstamps for a manual. Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Dec 06 10:01:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89636 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2007 18:01:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2007 18:01:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2007 18:01:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49624 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2007 18:01:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: krTeCOgVM1kJ319pG_8doVS3GXPNnyxFqekMZId6EZ8JCdzgSIoKJIzswh1lNePV0qs7aDM7WZJtGFiqwotGKWEpzxesZMQy02.pTwj7ywKie.l449iIQZTAPQ-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:01:30 PST Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:01:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <717439.48810.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: B.E. AX-10 Exciter Manuals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=-dmjyLYeMvMic2OWnf7SYcm2bQzWOyNwFfzpgVXlD-pX1YXzLSONMOE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Check with our friends in North Myrtle Beach, as I think that's what they bought and maybe you can pay for copies. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Dec 06 11:05:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43270 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2007 19:05:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2007 19:05:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.171) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2007 19:05:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d3e.1b98fd8a (37122) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:05:13 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-stg-d04 (webmail-stg-d04.sim.aol.com [205.188.162.25]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA018-9102475847e9228; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:05:13 -0500 References: <717439.48810.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:05:13 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <717439.48810.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33161-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-stg-d04.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.25) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:05:12 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA06521057675D-3F8-1A44@webmail-stg-d04.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=djyiP1GQClaAu4NmHod8WQbFtgXdKrTFXKxjESgFCdtHjSbfR8_rpftxoG4ArA1e X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know alot of you are familar with the Part 15 rules.? Here is the question:? Is the 100mW limitation on power supplied to the final RF stage unmodulated DC? Under the old ham regulations, the 1 kW power limitation was indicated DC power (volts x amperes) for A3 (ordinary full carrier AM).? As such, power supplied by the modulator in conventional high level plate modulation was not counted.? As any broadcast engineer knows, in high level plate modulation, the plate DC ammeter and DC voltage meter do not change during modulation but the common point RF ammeter increases reflecting an increase in the total RF power being supplied to the antenna array.? The additional power being the sidebands. Newer non-conventional modulation methods do show an increase in the DC?power being supplied to the final RF stage during modulation.? Can that increase be disregarded as it would be no different than the indicated DC power with conventional modulation?? That is does the 100mW requirement pertain to the unmodulated transmitter? Just wondering. 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Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Dec 06 11:36:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97853 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2007 19:36:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2007 19:36:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.170) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2007 19:36:43 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cc8.20bc895c (60436) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:33:59 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-stg-d08 (webmail-stg-d08.sim.aol.com [205.188.162.29]) by ciaaol-d02.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD021-ec1447584ea7164; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:33:59 -0500 References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:33:59 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33161-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-stg-d08.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.29) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:33:59 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA065615600812-1494-1B68@webmail-stg-d08.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Audio Processing - dbx question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=VaDFUn4vNpnCCj_gUfXH3G1nBCpd-EMW2rIZviHAfajMYFp_Y_6TESCaOzGFjVjX X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In my day, which admittedly has come and gone, the audio processing units to have were CBS Labs Volumax and Audimax.? Even NBC stations used them.? Despite their awesome cost back then, many are still around and can be had for a very reasonable price.? Would they be worth it as opposed to more modern units? I remember the more affordable Gates Level Devil which breathed like my ashmatic grandmother.? Gates was a fine company that made many great peices of broadcast equipment.? However, in my opinion, that wasn't one of them.? The Storz stations used the CBS Labs units.? As long as the needle on the console level meter was off the pegs at either end, those units did the rest.? The only difference between the pilot light and peak flasher on the modulation monitor was the peak flasher was on longer. Some years back, I had a Sansui cassette deck with dbx.? For maximum dynamic range, I would record tapes with the dbx enabled.? For tapes to be played on conventional cassette players such as the car, I would record without the dbx.? One day I played a dbx recorded tape in the car.? I sounded just like good AM radio. In my opinion, AM just doesn't sound right without some compression.? That's why college stations without the budget for signal processing would not have a competitive signal on the air despite transmitters and studio equipment that would pass proof.? Of course, Optimax equipment is the best nowadays.? Here is the question about dbx.? If a station's audio was dbx compressed (which would sound alright by itself), could the receive signal be inverse dbx processed to recover the dynamic range? Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 06 21:51:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22045 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2007 05:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2007 05:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.132) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2007 05:51:26 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2007 05:51:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2007 05:51:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2007 05:51:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 05:51:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80712021630m4a806a93nbf6f14ae663205c5@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.101.103 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1350 WHWH back in Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=bQr4H1ttermhzB9yKdWdElEsbNHIR7PI1_543tTezRpW81wsRQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 wrote: > I have some airchecks, but they weren't recorded in AM Stereo.. if=20 anyone > wants them, I'll be glad to post them. This weekend I'll make some recordings of WHWH in stereo from my=20 Denon TU-680NAB. Hopefully there will be some music playing during=20 the daytime hours when I can get a good signal. From kevtronics@yahoo.com Thu Dec 06 22:08:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24759 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2007 06:08:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2007 06:08:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.144) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2007 06:08:51 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2007 06:08:51 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2007 06:08:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2007 06:08:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:08:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CA065615600812-1494-1B68@webmail-stg-d08.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.101.103 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Audio Processing - dbx question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=8b4TPo-U3bGKCJOyXqbxLFjAnVR1FOGBiS6D4-fcaazxAtaEFA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Here is the question about dbx.? If a station's audio was dbx > compressed (which would sound alright by itself), could the receive > signal be inverse dbx processed to recover the dynamic range? That's exactly that MTS TV Stereo sound does. dbx encoding is used=20 on the stereo subchannel to reduce the hiss that plagues FM Stereo=20 radio. Every stereo TV tuner (include those built into VCRs) has a=20 dbx decoding chip, which is used to recover the proper dynamic range=20 of the audio. In the late '70s, Dolby B NR was used on some FM Stereo broadcasts to=20 reduce the hiss; it was called "Dolby FM". You could run your=20 tuner's audio output into a Dolby-equipped tape deck to perform the=20 decoding. But it didn't really work as well as expected, especially=20 with FM stations using aggressive audio processing, so Dolby FM=20 basically disappeared by the early '80s, although technically the FCC=20 still allows FM stations to transmit it today if they wish. From ke7ief@aol.com Thu Dec 06 23:45:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86682 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2007 07:45:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2007 07:45:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2007 07:45:29 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ca1.1e7b6668 (48350) for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 02:45:21 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-41-217.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.41.217]) by ciaaol-m06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM066-bcde4758fa0f55; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:45:20 -0500 Message-ID: <003b01c838a5$37e2d130$4100a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 23:46:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.41.217 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1350 WHWH back in Stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=n4d-J9Gka7YBo61yM4xJTX104vWxb0CmmbrTCb9eVZnIisq5Yl64 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can you post them if you are successfull? thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin T. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:51 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1350 WHWH back in Stereo! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > I have some airchecks, but they weren't recorded in AM Stereo.. if anyone > wants them, I'll be glad to post them. This weekend I'll make some recordings of WHWH in stereo from my Denon TU-680NAB. Hopefully there will be some music playing during the daytime hours when I can get a good signal. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Dec 07 15:53:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47614 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2007 23:53:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2007 23:53:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s39.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.239) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2007 23:53:15 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.84]) by bay0-omc3-s39.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:53:14 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:53:14 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:53:14 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:53:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2007 23:53:14.0946 (UTC) FILETIME=[551E6A20:01C8392C] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.239 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Harris AMS-G1 C-QuAM Exciter and Some Want's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=Ccc_Kc-Nxi3Jxu-1yjafQQX3Kpt8s87vZlU8P4jJ7zox X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Hi Gang, I'm seriously considering parting with my Harris AMS-G1 Exciter. What I would want for it, and would definately make me part with it, are a pair of Symetrix 528E Mic Processors. If one of you guys want to add C-QuAM to your station and have a pair of the 528E's, We definately can Deal. I May also part with one of My CRL Stereo Preperation Processors for a Pair of Excalibur DA2-6 or similar 1RU 1 in 6 out DA's I also Need Two Autogram Modules, Model: IA I'm trying to finnish off my studio project :-) Thanks, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Dec 07 15:55:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26666 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2007 23:55:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2007 23:55:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2007 23:55:00 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.254] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071207175443002043500003> for ; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:54:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003501c8392c$ebe421c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <8CA0585269A4EB9-1360-45A2@webmailbeta-m07.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:54:43 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} B.E. AX-10 Exciter Manuals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=KjBXdyif6QIznJUrcWCoEQPTs2CgDwsZA5mgigppS-WNMvFUsxAi X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IIRC they're about $75 from BE. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com I don't have a manual, but unless the cost is unreasonable,? I would be interested in sharing one. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Dec 07 15:58:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68084 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2007 23:58:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2007 23:58:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.148) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2007 23:58:40 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.91]) by bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:58:40 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:58:40 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV19.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:58:39 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: References: <8CA0585269A4EB9-1360-45A2@webmailbeta-m07.sysops.aol.com> <003501c8392c$ebe421c0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:58:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2007 23:58:40.0558 (UTC) FILETIME=[1732DCE0:01C8392D] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} B.E. AX-10 Exciter Manuals X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=ak8ALODCTpB7DaoLo-u7vNj1QNLFP5bBz0gXyNqrK4Sk X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd not anymore :-) you would be suprised what a polite note to BE support can accomplish. keep checking the manuals section under discontinued products. BE assures me it will show up there very soon ;-) Thanks, Rev. Chrysafis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 6:54 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} B.E. AX-10 Exciter Manuals > IIRC they're about $75 from BE. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mjgrant@aol.com > > I don't have a manual, but unless the cost is unreasonable,? I would be > interested in sharing one. > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Dec 07 16:05:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3622 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2007 00:05:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2007 00:05:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2007 00:05:42 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.254] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071207180527000173300003> for ; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:05:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <007901c8392e$6b7d1ee0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <8CA065615600812-1494-1B68@webmail-stg-d08.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:05:27 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Audio Processing - dbx question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=hA1xhXy-YkGp9X6YQ7tSyr6SzC1bZDGkYPDNPuVOvuVrbNcyDnas X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Only if you're looking for that 60's sound. Today they would not be the least bit competetive. Even an old Dorrough 310 tribander would blow them away. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com In my day, which admittedly has come and gone, the audio processing units to have were CBS Labs Volumax and Audimax.? Even NBC stations used them.? Despite their awesome cost back then, many are still around and can be had for a very reasonable price.? Would they be worth it as opposed to more modern units? --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Dec 07 16:06:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43054 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2007 00:06:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2007 00:06:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2007 00:06:33 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.254] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071207180617000307200003> for ; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:06:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008801c8392e$8970a980$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <717439.48810.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CA06521057675D-3F8-1A44@webmail-stg-d04.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:06:17 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=O_Wi7gsQdH1n3vvbn8VsONrvlJQdaiRtxcksYkDy9WH2NiCPv9gS X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes- just like any other AM transmitter. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I know alot of you are familar with the Part 15 rules.? Here is the question:? Is the 100mW limitation on power supplied to the final RF stage unmodulated DC? --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Dec 07 16:39:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83605 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2007 00:39:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2007 00:39:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2007 00:39:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 69169 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2007 00:39:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4vbQ8_oVM1n8dG9rufgs57UakolqUAomLya_xs12vOW4FJGRyV6mRIDQ5ty4Gw6D61Y8zaOfrNzbEkdcR_rPJXvfu5FkA3dlGCnAkaLsIC63xSViCi8- X-Received: from [24.192.189.76] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:39:09 PST Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:39:09 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008801c8392e$8970a980$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <265299.68720.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=EI6zOG2oL-TS2pbvAY8k1fohxlvd52Qw9KkqkYAmJvhiPw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Aren't there some cases where the rating is RF output at the antenna connector, rather than plate or collector input power? CBs used to allow 5 watts input, now it is 4 watts output. I've heard so many different versions, some say 100 mW. PEP (25 mW. un-mod), some say 100 mW. un-mod input, some say 100 mW. un-mod output...anybody got Uncle Charlie's rule book handy? Just curious. Also, is the debate still on as to whether all the wire in the loading coil counts as antenna length (hope not!) Regards, George --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > Yes- just like any other AM transmitter. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mjgrant@aol.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > I know alot of you are familar with the Part 15 > rules.? Here is the question:? Is the 100mW > limitation on power supplied to the final RF stage > unmodulated DC? > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Dec 07 19:15:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6915 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2007 03:15:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2007 03:15:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2007 03:15:10 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.254] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071207211450000896100003> for ; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:14:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00cd01c83948$e14e6920$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <265299.68720.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:14:50 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=zGVJzT9mj_PJOWpP1-DZP7MsARR-Uo-BSmIKrJPR-QrVB4GEY2oG X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://sujan.hallikainen.org/FCC/FccRules/1996/15/ I won't guarantee this 100%, but I think there are those who have had loading coils and the FCC hasn't ordered their removal, so probably not. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Also, is the debate still on as to whether all the wire in the loading coil counts as antenna length (hope not!) --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Dec 08 02:58:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8489 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2007 10:58:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2007 10:58:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2007 10:58:07 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d30.1ed8a897 (29678) for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 05:57:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 05:57:52 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=un7fE8P1Dx0GRSLginJG12sizwaIXXncWyCyZ2qCPlNYdactc81N2_2TWC-QPHmP X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/7/07 6:07:07 PM Central Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > Yes- just like any other AM transmitter. > I know for ham equipment, that USED to be the case. Of course, broadcast transmitters it was rated output, although DC plate current and voltage were logged along with common point or antenna base current. With conventional plate modulation, the DC power (volts x amps) never changed with modulation. The additional power can from the modulator. Every is mulling over the new ham rules which are based on PEP output. Is this correct: 100 mWrms = 200 mW PEP 100 mWrms (carrier) at 100% peak modulation = 800 mW PEP Thanks. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Dec 08 18:44:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67403 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2007 02:44:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2007 02:44:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2007 02:44:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25339 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2007 02:44:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CqaINxMVM1n77mRq0LlM3vkA1ufN2_0gOPQg7bwRk.glhiz3ziSWtIYU8S6uSX13awBkqbR3ilKMWIHjaB_PgMlGn4pMqmoG.YiKBPSYJ_zokF54Rr8- X-Received: from [24.192.189.76] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 18:44:42 PST Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:44:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <587845.24746.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=P2o76LHdtk7RixzsskZm8wOUm23ye7ukmycBiZ6o8RuLeg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I believe it comes out this way: since power =voltage x current, a 100 mW carrier would be double the voltage at 100% mod. positive peaks, so the current would be doubled, so the power would be carrier x 2 x 2, or carrier x 4, or 400 mW. Of course, this is strictly PEAK rating, the average would certainly be lower. (Thank God for Optimod...some day I'll have one!) Last I heard, positive peak mod. was still allowed up to 125%, a small gain in overall power if you wan't to go to the trouble to keep the audio in the best polarity. My old Inovonics processor actually reverses the phase as needed to keep the big peaks on top, but I guess all the new rigs have phase rotators, so ignoring deliberate distortion, I doubt that advantage matters much today. Just my $0.02 worth.... Happy Holidays, George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/7/07 6:07:07 PM Central > Standard Time, > scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > > > > Yes- just like any other AM transmitter. > > > > I know for ham equipment, that USED to be the case. > Of course, broadcast > transmitters it was rated output, although DC plate > current and voltage were > logged along with common point or antenna base > current. With conventional plate > modulation, the DC power (volts x amps) never > changed with modulation. The > additional power can from the modulator. > > Every is mulling over the new ham rules which are > based on PEP output. > > Is this correct: > > 100 mWrms = 200 mW PEP > 100 mWrms (carrier) at 100% peak modulation = 800 mW > PEP > > Thanks. > > Mike > > > ************************************** > Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest products. > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Dec 08 21:32:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54150 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2007 05:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2007 05:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2007 05:31:58 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c19.28871005 (30737) for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 00:31:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 00:31:45 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=HCCuqhXmpDvVf_jMZ1eTFMmkHPihMj44F6eyNnwWefQhflByF-ZN6pAjsTtrPjeh X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George, A 100mWrms unmodulated carrier, being a sine wave, has voltage peaks that are 1.414 times the rms value. Likewise, it has current peaks that are also 1.414 times the rms value. So the peak instaneous power of 100 mWrms unmodulated signal is 200 mW (1.414V x 1.414I). If the same transmitter is modulated 100% positive, peak voltage of the modulation waveform doubles as does its current. So the peak envelope power of the modulated wave is four times its unmodulated value. As it's unmodulated value is 200 mW, it Peak Envelope Power is four times that or 800 mW. I began in AM broadcasting before the FCC adopted the 125% limit on positive modulation. Done properly, positive supermodulation does not create distortion. In fact, for receivers with synchronous detectors, even negative supermodulation doesn't produce distortion. That is mathematically proven. What led to the rulemaking were the stations who did it wrong either because they didn't understand the principle, didn't have the equipment capable of successfully doing it, or just didn't care. Gates made a standard 5kW model equipment with a 10kW class modulator. Standard in the sense that is was an orderable and supported item. In the 60s, that was what Storz's KXOK in St. Louis used. The audio signal was stronger, but just as important, cleaner than 50kW KMOX. In principle, the RCA Amphiphase could do extended supermodulation, in BOTH directions. However, a peak detector was used to derive the recovered audio for the overall audio negative feedback in the exciter which limited the negative modulation capability. The quiescent phase displacement used was 135 degrees, not the expected 120. When the displacement dropped to 0 degrees on positive peaks, that equalled just over 130% positive modulation. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Dec 09 09:26:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78047 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2007 17:26:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2007 17:26:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2007 17:26:31 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.102] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071209112609000839400003> for ; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 11:26:09 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005301c83a88$fae16d60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 11:26:09 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=oST4kprNFxcuSjaVbIHeQiZif4xMVBt-0Bd00hA9189bruDU9jtC X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 4:58 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question In a message dated 12/7/07 6:07:07 PM Central Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > Yes- just like any other AM transmitter. > I know for ham equipment, that USED to be the case. Of course, broadcast transmitters it was rated output, although DC plate current and voltage were logged along with common point or antenna base current. With conventional plate modulation, the DC power (volts x amps) never changed with modulation. The additional power can from the modulator. Every is mulling over the new ham rules which are based on PEP output. Is this correct: 100 mWrms = 200 mW PEP 100 mWrms (carrier) at 100% peak modulation = 800 mW PEP Thanks. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1178 - Release Date: 12/8/07 11:59 AM --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Dec 09 09:30:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75296 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2007 17:30:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2007 17:30:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2007 17:30:13 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.102] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071209112942001356100003> for ; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 11:29:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005d01c83a89$79a44b40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 11:29:42 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=uxB7Bad-MKZh9hEiAAtmRmzaETu87czcf5eJ37ACBgQn-OSe-6yh X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ham rules don't apply here- it's strictly by input power to the final stage- collector/drain/plate voltage times current. Your chances of accurately measuring anything other than those at these low power levels is pretty slim. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com I know for ham equipment, that USED to be the case. Of course, broadcast transmitters it was rated output, although DC plate current and voltage were logged along with common point or antenna base current. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 09 10:53:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47919 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2007 18:53:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2007 18:53:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2007 18:53:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11681 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2007 18:53:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: U3KHPMEVM1maSetFYy7Iv8GSivZh5ITbFrlfak6L8BWBstFIR6ADluIfaEoMZLkDlMVJiSES1w-- X-Received: from [209.213.18.189] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 10:53:16 PST Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 10:53:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005d01c83a89$79a44b40$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <982548.8972.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=0yqhGc80iST9Iy_o_n-fEGB52TfZloYtSfQ6XUrsn9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW And those "new" power ratings were done, I believe, to spite AM. Just like the ARRL now is trying to again RAM bandwidth legislation through to try to effectively KILL AM on the ham bands. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Dec 09 16:36:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14156 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2007 00:36:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2007 00:36:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2007 00:36:51 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2007 00:36:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2007 00:36:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2007 00:36:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:36:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.194.98.53 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Audio Processing - dbx question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=4Nej0VJzPVnV-yUSPPtEBn6reUKRaVKKh7HRhAGQZKsN6xMC3g X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > > Here is the question about dbx.? If a station's audio was dbx > > compressed (which would sound alright by itself), could the receive > > signal be inverse dbx processed to recover the dynamic range? >=20 > That's exactly that MTS TV Stereo sound does. dbx encoding is used=20 > on the stereo subchannel to reduce the hiss that plagues FM Stereo=20 > radio. Every stereo TV tuner (include those built into VCRs) has a=20 > dbx decoding chip, which is used to recover the proper dynamic range=20 > of the audio. >=20 > In the late '70s, Dolby B NR was used on some FM Stereo broadcasts to=20 > reduce the hiss; it was called "Dolby FM". You could run your=20 > tuner's audio output into a Dolby-equipped tape deck to perform the=20 > decoding. But it didn't really work as well as expected, especially=20 > with FM stations using aggressive audio processing, so Dolby FM=20 > basically disappeared by the early '80s, although technically the FCC=20 > still allows FM stations to transmit it today if they wish. I have a Technics RS-B605 tape deck, which can reocrd in dbx... From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sun Dec 09 16:47:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8317 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2007 00:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2007 00:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.187) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2007 00:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2007 00:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2007 00:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2007 00:47:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:47:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.194.98.53 From: "Dave" Subject: Who has a Roku Soundbridge M2000 ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=RBvJrtGOt_yKC3yRkVkDVKkgAelplK3CTwlGr2LdCC7BkvCpvw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Well I paid a lot for it I guess but I have recently brought one off ebay, the display is like RDS on drugs, really great. The problem is it will not play certain mms streams like 2GB which I wish I could get as they have a new 32k WMA stream, plays finer on my other 2 wi-fi radios I see KBAL is listed and like quite a few other streams shows the track info also. Any other am stereo stations streaming and showing track info I should know about ? I am trying to remember what station mentioned some months ago on here was am stereo, it was like a small town community station near a beech somewhere ? 2CA the Canberra AMS station are going to be streaming very soon apparently btw, lets hope the stream sounds as good as their AMS output :-) Dave UK From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Dec 10 03:35:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71910 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2007 11:35:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2007 11:35:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2007 11:35:54 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cc8.2100c5e2 (30738) for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:35:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:35:22 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Audio Processing - dbx question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=i4Zg9Nbz4hbH3tKK8HaGcwwVGjVt7k08rqNx2ZiA21sLjKqDDsClOug6lVC0MeXb X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/9/07 6:38:10 PM Central Standard Time, amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk writes: > I have a Technics RS-B605 tape deck, which can reocrd in dbx... > Great! Here is a simple experiment I would like you to try. Play one of your dbx recorded tapes without the dbx enabled on playback. Tell me what you think. Also, if your level indicators are operative during playback, how much higher the average level is without exceeded 0 VU. Thanks. Mike ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 10 08:17:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88153 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2007 16:17:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2007 16:17:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.158) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2007 16:17:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30438 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2007 16:17:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: U4huhIoVM1nJgdrRN7YJQZtQbM9.cjay7rA5S8s3ynDIjxS8B76dCY8GLirr_9tO2IvOyHlwUPOnG2zzq8SYvvaF6VRRyGnncMbVG1givhOCNQDCXoKehBUVcg-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:17:21 PST Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:17:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <658145.29996.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:Who has a Roku Soundbridge M2000 ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=JG1hENB7zUr489aJ4Lx7ZvvqT6c7yTwHW0zO3pYLkMJ3JqqT2cAsNC4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio There is a realitively new AM Stereo station on 900KHz in North Myrtle Beach WNMB. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 10 09:08:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53921 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2007 17:08:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2007 17:08:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2007 17:08:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22637 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2007 17:08:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EphT9ZsVM1l7TlMGrDWf0Sr0W0udy0k4yzqAWrzCCugJeSF0ajh1eeoDkhNj3qjQfBqNLEKO17eqprMo3ip2MRov1XJuRSq75hiifM_mh8GgtyDtKM2_.R1SMtShvg-- X-Received: from [24.192.189.76] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:08:50 PST Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:08:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <447740.22629.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=YNbp-GquRcstYgG0tDol3W2d2ZCk4aX-MX0Cwo-YXJ_drg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yup, I left out the 1.414 part...thanks for pointing that out! I too was working in broadcasting, in the 70's, and it seems time has dulled the memory somewhat. The distortion I was referring to was deliberately making ALL the audio asymetrical to take advantage of the 125 rule. From what I hear on the air these days, the almighty last db of loudness is worth even wrecking the audio to achieve. I like a good loud, aggressively processed sound as much as anyone, but some of these stations today give me listener fatigue! Just my opinion, but I think the pinnacle of tasteful processing was in the 70's and 80's, on the big top 40 stations like CKLW, WLS, and XEROK, etc. But I guess we can't go backwards... Regards, George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > George, > > A 100mWrms unmodulated carrier, being a sine wave, > has voltage peaks that are > 1.414 times the rms value. Likewise, it has current > peaks that are also > 1.414 times the rms value. So the peak instaneous > power of 100 mWrms unmodulated > signal is 200 mW (1.414V x 1.414I). > > If the same transmitter is modulated 100% positive, > peak voltage of the > modulation waveform doubles as does its current. So > the peak envelope power of the > modulated wave is four times its unmodulated value. > > As it's unmodulated value is 200 mW, it Peak > Envelope Power is four times > that or 800 mW. > > I began in AM broadcasting before the FCC adopted > the 125% limit on positive > modulation. Done properly, positive supermodulation > does not create > distortion. In fact, for receivers with synchronous > detectors, even negative > supermodulation doesn't produce distortion. That is > mathematically proven. What led > to the rulemaking were the stations who did it wrong > either because they didn't > understand the principle, didn't have the equipment > capable of successfully > doing it, or just didn't care. > > Gates made a standard 5kW model equipment with a > 10kW class modulator. > Standard in the sense that is was an orderable and > supported item. In the 60s, > that was what Storz's KXOK in St. Louis used. The > audio signal was stronger, but > just as important, cleaner than 50kW KMOX. > > In principle, the RCA Amphiphase could do extended > supermodulation, in BOTH > directions. However, a peak detector was used to > derive the recovered audio > for the overall audio negative feedback in the > exciter which limited the > negative modulation capability. The quiescent phase > displacement used was 135 > degrees, not the expected 120. When the > displacement dropped to 0 degrees on > positive peaks, that equalled just over 130% > positive modulation. > > Mike > > > > > > > ************************************** > Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest > products. > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Dec 10 10:31:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78289 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2007 18:31:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2007 18:31:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2007 18:31:40 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ca5.20c22a66 (37146) for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:31:23 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmailbeta-m07 (webmailbeta-m07.sim.aol.com [64.12.141.99]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA038-911a475d85fa10f; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:31:22 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:31:22 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <447740.22629.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33161-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmailbeta-m07.sysops.aol.com (64.12.141.99) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:31:22 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA0971FFB98D6D-15DC-1428@webmailbeta-m07.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=FXAu_fzm7Tjo7932O2zZY6-an2KV2RM8mxqtm7cfof8vRkfxGuQfpJTtk0NA8Eud X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree.? The stations you mentioned had the gear put a great signal.? If every station had their equipment and expertise, the 125% rule would never have been proposed, let alone adopted.? The rulemaking came about because of smaller stations with limited budgets trying to do something they weren't capable of in order to be competitive. In order to correctly do supermodulation, the transmitter had to be up to the task along with the right processing equipment.? In the 60s and early 70s, most of the transmitters in service weren't.? In fact, many struggled just to reach 100%.? Modulators and RF finals were designed for 100% sinusoidal modulation and little more.? Even that was with a fresh set of tubes.? While stations like WLS replaced their tubes on a frequent scheduled basis, many owners would run tubes until failure or the transmitter failed proof. AM audio needs processing.? Just run "raw" console audio and you quickly find out why, especially with high dynamic range sources like CDs which are common today.? To keep the peaks at or below 100%, the average level is down in the mud.? What I mean by doing supermodulation right is using the advantage?to transmit naturally asymetrical program material. If a station has any pride in its signal or just wants to make an honest buck, hyperprocessing is destructive to both.? The idea loud is better at any cost is something inside marketing people's heads along with God only knows what else.? The problem is most station management come from their ranks.? If you want to sell time, you have to have an audience.? If you want an audience, you must have something people want to listen to both in terms of program content and signal quality.? The loud thing is what sales people like to sell advertisers.? That doesn't mean the general public buys it.? As you said, there is such thing as listener fatique.? I am certain whoever produced those "Head On" TV commercial must have worked in radio sales, have been through detox several times, or both. Mike -----Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:08 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question Yup, I left out the 1.414 part...thanks for pointing that out! I too was working in broadcasting, in the 70's, and it seems time has dulled the memory somewhat. The distortion I was referring to was deliberately making ALL the audio asymetrical to take advantage of the 125 rule. From what I hear on the air these days, the almighty last db of loudness is worth even wrecking the audio to achieve. I like a good loud, aggressively processed sound as much as anyone, but some of these stations today give me listener fatigue! Just my opinion, but I think the pinnacle of tasteful processing was in the 70's and 80's, on the big top 40 stations like CKLW, WLS, and XEROK, etc. But I guess we can't go backwards... Regards, George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > George, > > A 100mWrms unmodulated carrier, being a sine wave, > has voltage peaks that are > 1.414 times the rms value. Likewise, it has current > peaks that are also > 1.414 times the rms value. So the peak instaneous > power of 100 mWrms unmodulated > signal is 200 mW (1.414V x 1.414I). > > If the same transmitter is modulated 100% positive, > peak voltage of the > modulation waveform doubles as does its current. So > the peak envelope power of the > modulated wave is four times its unmodulated value. > > As it's unmodulated value is 200 mW, it Peak > Envelope Power is four times > that or 800 mW. > > I began in AM broadcasting before the FCC adopted > the 125% limit on positive > modulation. Done properly, positive supermodulation > does not create > distortion. In fact, for receivers with synchronous > detectors, even negative > supermodulation doesn't produce distortion. That is > mathematically proven. What led > to the rulemaking were the stations who did it wrong > either because they didn't > understand the principle, didn't have the equipment > capable of successfully > doing it, or just didn't care. > > Gates made a standard 5kW model equipment with a > 10kW class modulator. > Standard in the sense that is was an orderable and > supported item. In the 60s, > that was what Storz's KXOK in St. Louis used. The > audio signal was stronger, but > just as important, cleaner than 50kW KMOX. > > In principle, the RCA Amphiphase could do extended > supermodulation, in BOTH > directions. However, a peak detector was used to > derive the recovered audio > for the overall audio negative feedback in the > exciter which limited the > negative modulation capability. The quiescent phase > displacement used was 135 > degrees, not the expected 120. When the > displacement dropped to 0 degrees on > positive peaks, that equalled just over 130% > positive modulation. > > Mike > > > > > > > ************************************** > Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest > products. > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 10 10:43:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14338 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2007 18:43:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2007 18:43:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.161) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2007 18:43:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 59170 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2007 18:43:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qu51gRoVM1k2rIcWVEY2NjoIGXSAxo1NBLO2YgmUfTqxCRS8tO1nLSXXkqrPVOCueZhIvE2JSQ-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:43:02 PST Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:43:02 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <261297.59070.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Audio Processing - dbx question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=d05M4GmMcNMmXwFKMtYzF0ugxoIs_kZADH-jiMTO92k X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/9/07 6:38:10 PM Central > Standard Time, > amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk writes: > > > > I have a Technics RS-B605 tape deck, which can > reocrd in dbx... > > > > Great! Here is a simple experiment I would like you > to try. Play one of > your dbx recorded tapes without the dbx enabled on > playback. Tell me what you think. I had a Technics cassette machine with DBX. Tried that and all I can say is EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. The motor got where the speed was whatever it wanted to be, but the fire later on melted the front off the unit. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 10 19:50:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72404 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 03:50:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2007 03:50:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.205) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2007 03:50:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31534 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2007 03:50:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: G5jj9hoVM1ljshatUkYDJQQYZmxMqYyPDMynAYQSFHCK85Swq8HONSZ4xaBDRest71LuupMzm86KgASVQ5tk4VfyLXFzlbdB4c1gKTOSm03VI2Qc.DM- X-Received: from [24.192.189.76] by web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:50:38 PST Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:50:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA0971FFB98D6D-15DC-1428@webmailbeta-m07.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <929754.31412.qm@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=XOre09yiavvg-I2q_tqee1x_DnABKkWM0fuTu1zmV7iquA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Mike, I couldn't agree more. You hit the nail on the head on all counts! Seems today's transmitters are capable of such good fidelity, and could easily handle supermodulation, yet the nasty processing continues. I'm sure with all the digital technology available today, processors COULD give us excellent loudness while still leaving the music intact, but as long as management and sales are making decisions that should be made by the engineers, I reckon not much will change. Maybe I'm just nostalgic, but I sure miss the days when the AM dial was full of well-meaning locals by day, and ruled at night by the mighty clears like WLW and XERF. AM had a thrill to it then! Regards, George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > I agree.? > > > > The stations you mentioned had the gear put a great > signal.? If every station had their equipment and > expertise, the 125% rule would never have been > proposed, let alone adopted.? The rulemaking came > about because of smaller stations with limited > budgets trying to do something they weren't capable > of in order to be competitive. > > > > In order to correctly do supermodulation, the > transmitter had to be up to the task along with the > right processing equipment.? In the 60s and early > 70s, most of the transmitters in service weren't.? > In fact, many struggled just to reach 100%.? > Modulators and RF finals were designed for 100% > sinusoidal modulation and little more.? Even that > was with a fresh set of tubes.? While stations like > WLS replaced their tubes on a frequent scheduled > basis, many owners would run tubes until failure or > the transmitter failed proof. > > > > AM audio needs processing.? Just run "raw" console > audio and you quickly find out why, especially with > high dynamic range sources like CDs which are common > today.? To keep the peaks at or below 100%, the > average level is down in the mud.? What I mean by > doing supermodulation right is using the > advantage?to transmit naturally asymetrical program > material. > > If a station has any pride in its signal or just > wants to make an honest buck, hyperprocessing is > destructive to both.? The idea loud is better at any > cost is something inside marketing people's heads > along with God only knows what else.? The problem is > most station management come from their ranks.? If > you want to sell time, you have to have an > audience.? If you want an audience, you must have > something people want to listen to both in terms of > program content and signal quality.? The loud thing > is what sales people like to sell advertisers.? That > doesn't mean the general public buys it.? As you > said, there is such thing as listener fatique.? I am > certain whoever produced those "Head On" TV > commercial must have worked in radio sales, have > been through detox several times, or both. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:08 am > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question > > > > > > > > Yup, I left out the 1.414 part...thanks for pointing > that out! > > I too was working in broadcasting, in the 70's, and > it > seems time has dulled the memory somewhat. > > The distortion I was referring to was deliberately > making ALL the audio asymetrical to take advantage > of > the 125 rule. From what I hear on the air these > days, > the almighty last db of loudness is worth even > wrecking the audio to achieve. I like a good loud, > aggressively processed sound as much as anyone, but > some of these stations today give me listener > fatigue! > Just my opinion, but I think the pinnacle of > tasteful > processing was in the 70's and 80's, on the big top > 40 > stations like CKLW, WLS, and XEROK, etc. But I guess > we can't go backwards... > > Regards, > George > > --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > George, > > > > A 100mWrms unmodulated carrier, being a sine wave, > > has voltage peaks that are > > 1.414 times the rms value. Likewise, it has > current > > peaks that are also > > 1.414 times the rms value. So the peak instaneous > > power of 100 mWrms unmodulated > > signal is 200 mW (1.414V x 1.414I). > > > > If the same transmitter is modulated 100% > positive, > > peak voltage of the > > modulation waveform doubles as does its current. > So > > the peak envelope power of the > > modulated wave is four times its unmodulated > value. > > > > As it's unmodulated value is 200 mW, it Peak > > Envelope Power is four times > > that or 800 mW. > > > > I began in AM broadcasting before the FCC adopted > > the 125% limit on positive > > modulation. Done properly, positive > supermodulation > > does not create > > distortion. In fact, for receivers with > synchronous > > detectors, even negative > > supermodulation doesn't produce distortion. That > is > > mathematically proven. What led > > to the rulemaking were the stations who did it > wrong > > either because they didn't > > understand the principle, didn't have the > equipment > > capable of successfully > > doing it, or just didn't care. > > > > Gates made a standard 5kW model equipment with a > > 10kW class modulator. > > Standard in the sense that is was an orderable and > > supported item. In the 60s, > > that was what Storz's KXOK in St. Louis used. The > > audio signal was stronger, but > > just as important, cleaner than 50kW KMOX. > > > > In principle, the RCA Amphiphase could do extended > > supermodulation, in BOTH > > directions. However, a peak detector was used to > > derive the recovered audio > > for the overall audio negative feedback in the > > exciter which limited the > > negative modulation capability. The quiescent > phase > > displacement used was 135 > > degrees, not the expected 120. When the > > displacement dropped to 0 degrees on > > positive peaks, that equalled just over 130% > > positive modulation. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** > > Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest > > products. > > > > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=da42__07hEOKsSpoupA3B8lyb9WY5mzZbLrkVKv9Kf4wEHveGg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > There is a realitively new AM Stereo station on 900KHz in North Myrtle > Beach WNMB. >=20 That was it, thanks From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 12 16:30:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75463 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 00:30:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2007 00:30:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.189) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 00:30:05 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2007 00:30:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2007 00:30:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2007 00:30:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:30:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CA0971FFB98D6D-15DC-1428@webmailbeta-m07.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.151.244 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=g4FIOzj22OKcz5mvkSPflIuCPEzWQjWuvpt3LZm88HQU0TPFmaMGljmbtYk-FAR9xQV0c-AL X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > >=20 > I agree.?=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > The stations you mentioned had the gear put a great signal.? If=20 every station had their equipment and expertise, the 125% rule would=20 never have been proposed, let alone adopted.? The rulemaking came=20 about because of smaller stations with limited budgets trying to do=20 something they weren't capable of in order to be competitive. >=20 >=20 >=20 > In order to correctly do supermodulation, the transmitter had to be=20 up to the task along with the right processing equipment.? In the 60s=20 and early 70s, most of the transmitters in service weren't.? In fact,=20 many struggled just to reach 100%.? Modulators and RF finals were=20 designed for 100% sinusoidal modulation and little more.? Even that=20 was with a fresh set of tubes.? While stations like WLS replaced=20 their tubes on a frequent scheduled basis, many owners would run=20 tubes until failure or the transmitter failed proof. >=20 >=20 >=20 > AM audio needs processing.? Just run "raw" console audio and you=20 quickly find out why, especially with high dynamic range sources like=20 CDs which are common today.? To keep the peaks at or below 100%, the=20 average level is down in the mud.? What I mean by doing=20 supermodulation right is using the advantage?to transmit naturally=20 asymetrical program material. >=20 > If a station has any pride in its signal or just wants to make an=20 honest buck, hyperprocessing is destructive to both.? The idea loud=20 is better at any cost is something inside marketing people's heads=20 along with God only knows what else.? The problem is most station=20 management come from their ranks.? If you want to sell time, you have=20 to have an audience.? If you want an audience, you must have=20 something people want to listen to both in terms of program content=20 and signal quality.? The loud thing is what sales people like to sell=20 advertisers.? That doesn't mean the general public buys it.? As you=20 said, there is such thing as listener fatique.? I am certain whoever=20 produced those "Head On" TV commercial must have worked in radio=20 sales, have been through detox several times, or both. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:08 am > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Yup, I left out the 1.414 part...thanks for pointing > that out! >=20 > I too was working in broadcasting, in the 70's, and it > seems time has dulled the memory somewhat. >=20 > The distortion I was referring to was deliberately > making ALL the audio asymetrical to take advantage of > the 125 rule. From what I hear on the air these days, > the almighty last db of loudness is worth even > wrecking the audio to achieve. I like a good loud, > aggressively processed sound as much as anyone, but > some of these stations today give me listener fatigue! > Just my opinion, but I think the pinnacle of tasteful > processing was in the 70's and 80's, on the big top 40 > stations like CKLW, WLS, and XEROK, etc. But I guess > we can't go backwards... >=20 > Regards, > George=20 >=20 > --- mjgrant@... wrote: >=20 > > George, > >=20 > > A 100mWrms unmodulated carrier, being a sine wave, > > has voltage peaks that are=20 > > 1.414 times the rms value. Likewise, it has current > > peaks that are also=20 > > 1.414 times the rms value. So the peak instaneous > > power of 100 mWrms unmodulated=20 > > signal is 200 mW (1.414V x 1.414I). > >=20 > > If the same transmitter is modulated 100% positive, > > peak voltage of the=20 > > modulation waveform doubles as does its current. So > > the peak envelope power of the=20 > > modulated wave is four times its unmodulated value. > >=20 > > As it's unmodulated value is 200 mW, it Peak > > Envelope Power is four times=20 > > that or 800 mW. > >=20 > > I began in AM broadcasting before the FCC adopted > > the 125% limit on positive=20 > > modulation. Done properly, positive supermodulation > > does not create=20 > > distortion. In fact, for receivers with synchronous > > detectors, even negative=20 > > supermodulation doesn't produce distortion. That is > > mathematically proven. What led=20 > > to the rulemaking were the stations who did it wrong > > either because they didn't=20 > > understand the principle, didn't have the equipment > > capable of successfully=20 > > doing it, or just didn't care. > >=20 > > Gates made a standard 5kW model equipment with a > > 10kW class modulator.=20 > > Standard in the sense that is was an orderable and > > supported item. In the 60s,=20 > > that was what Storz's KXOK in St. Louis used. The > > audio signal was stronger, but=20 > > just as important, cleaner than 50kW KMOX. > >=20 > > In principle, the RCA Amphiphase could do extended > > supermodulation, in BOTH=20 > > directions. However, a peak detector was used to > > derive the recovered audio=20 > > for the overall audio negative feedback in the > > exciter which limited the=20 > > negative modulation capability. The quiescent phase > > displacement used was 135=20 > > degrees, not the expected 120. When the > > displacement dropped to 0 degrees on=20 > > positive peaks, that equalled just over 130% > > positive modulation. > >=20 > > Mike > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ************************************** > > Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest=20 > > products. > >=20 > > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? NCID=3Daoltop00030000000001) > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals?=20 > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.=20 http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=3Dshopping >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________________________ __ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! -=20 http://webmail.aol.com >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang I wanted to know how long the P.15 TX ant. can be after the=20 loading coil? Jim S From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Dec 12 21:19:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53882 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 05:19:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2007 05:19:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 05:19:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c12.238ae06c (65099) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:19:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:19:41 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=cA5uhJU9KPVMA5lbidJB1DXMFmUHcjnpXrBoH-iDV1WgTORUV9YRv8YAMQCUz15J X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/12/07 6:30:39 PM Central Standard Time, jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net writes: > Hi Gang I wanted to know how long the P.15 TX ant. can be after the > loading coil? The combined length of the "antenna" and "ground" leads I believe is 3 meters. I interpret that to mean the linear measurement of conductors that function exclusively to carry the radio frequency current produced by the device. So in my opinion, the antenna length would be three meters minus the length of the loading coil (not the length of the wire which comprises it), the length of the lead connecting it to the transmitter, and the length of the wire connecting it a ground reference. Opinions differ, however. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 12 22:37:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43029 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 06:37:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2007 06:37:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.175) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 06:37:29 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2007 06:37:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2007 06:37:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2007 06:37:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:37:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.20.188.19 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=b1OaMm_D63UdZGF7wxMZxCksoQ4fAE7NHgjM3fQY-3KWCbeC1jwTFGNKfwaCjgMlLoG_Zfpu X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 12/12/07 6:30:39 PM Central Standard Time,=20 > jimsmith95663@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > Hi Gang I wanted to know how long the P.15 TX ant. can be after=20 the=20 > > loading coil? >=20 > The combined length of the "antenna" and "ground" leads I believe=20 is 3=20 > meters. I interpret that to mean the linear measurement of=20 conductors that function=20 > exclusively to carry the radio frequency current produced by the=20 device. >=20 > So in my opinion, the antenna length would be three meters minus=20 the length=20 > of the loading coil (not the length of the wire which comprises=20 it), the length=20 > of the lead connecting it to the transmitter, and the length of the=20 wire=20 > connecting it a ground reference. >=20 > Opinions differ, however. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************************************** > See AOL's top rated recipes=20 > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000004) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang and Mike What I had understude from some one here a wile=20 back 3 meters was 10 ft 9 in . Would that be correct after the=20 loading coil? The loading coil is going to be mounted sepret form the=20 ant. Jim S From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Dec 12 22:48:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17957 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 06:48:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2007 06:48:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 06:48:21 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cf9.2442b3ce (65097) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:48:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:48:19 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=CjH19X8xvMJJvywsY3S50yWwimeXNnHMYAOa0e9d2Jj4iVNKSqd7fcbApGwz7-Z6 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/13/07 12:37:56 AM Central Standard Time, jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net writes: > Hi Gang and Mike What I had understude from some one here a wile > back 3 meters was 10 ft 9 in . Would that be correct after the > loading coil? The loading coil is going to be mounted sepret form the > ant. Jim S > Actually, I think 3 meters is 117 inches or 9 ft. 9 inches. I would try to arrange the loading coil to be part of the transmitter, so it doesn't count against the 3 m limit. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 12 23:01:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8738 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 07:01:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2007 07:01:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.133) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 07:01:07 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2007 07:01:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2007 07:01:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2007 07:01:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:01:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.20.188.19 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=MKvO_m9NOalq9jEOkYppCRwDAvN9K6OowX47IAuw0uNjaLAFgmS3PaFZ_2xWvcxkIcGIqcUW X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 12/13/07 12:37:56 AM Central Standard Time,=20 > jimsmith95663@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > Hi Gang and Mike What I had understude from some one here a wile=20 > > back 3 meters was 10 ft 9 in . Would that be correct after the=20 > > loading coil? The loading coil is going to be mounted sepret form=20 the=20 > > ant. Jim S > >=20 >=20 > Actually, I think 3 meters is 117 inches or 9 ft. 9 inches. I=20 would try to=20 > arrange the loading coil to be part of the transmitter, so it=20 doesn't count=20 > against the 3 m limit. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************************************** > See AOL's top rated recipes=20 > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000004) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Mike Its all going to be close inside of a 6 in pvc white pipe. I=20 am glad you cleared up the lenth of the ant. I only understaned=20 standard not meteric. Thank You. Jim S From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Dec 12 23:09:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55502 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 07:09:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2007 07:09:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 07:09:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c76.1dd8008d (65097) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:09:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:09:11 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ZdFS0d5coJF6dy7-4oa3w_1r3h2LGVGmE-J_NW_qNl-plSjkHR61TmAv6wf55fC5 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/13/07 1:01:20 AM Central Standard Time, jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net writes: > Hi Mike Its all going to be close inside of a 6 in pvc white pipe. I > am glad you cleared up the lenth of the ant. I only understaned > standard not meteric. Thank You. Jim S > Were you going to put the loading coil outdoors? If so, ordinary PVC is not a good choice. There is UV resistant PVC. It can be found, like just about everything else, at McMaster Carr (www.mcmaster.com). McMaster has every type of plumbing item imaginable which can be easily perverted into other uses such as coil forms. Is there some advantage to an air core coil over a powdered iron cored one at BCB frequencies? Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 12 23:26:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3842 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 07:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2007 07:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.179) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 07:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2007 07:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2007 07:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2007 07:26:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:26:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.20.188.19 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=vp_CxQt25W_xiPz7bY_YGbTjNZJIE1oNwuVdrO1x47xFlFUHkLIIFaxKVoAiFW5XhwdW1Efd X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 12/13/07 1:01:20 AM Central Standard Time,=20 > jimsmith95663@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > Hi Mike Its all going to be close inside of a 6 in pvc white=20 pipe. I=20 > > am glad you cleared up the lenth of the ant. I only understaned=20 > > standard not meteric. Thank You. Jim S > >=20 >=20 > Were you going to put the loading coil outdoors? If so, ordinary=20 PVC is not=20 > a good choice. There is UV resistant PVC. It can be found, like=20 just about=20 > everything else, at McMaster Carr (www.mcmaster.com). McMaster has=20 every type=20 > of plumbing item imaginable which can be easily perverted into=20 other uses such=20 > as coil forms. >=20 > Is there some advantage to an air core coil over a powdered iron=20 cored one at=20 > BCB frequencies? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************************************** > See AOL's top rated recipes=20 > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000004) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Mike What I was going to do is put every thing inside of the 6 in=20 white pipe for out side use. And yes I was going to make the loading=20 coil out of 1 1/4 in pvc pipe and put it inside of the 6 in pipe with=20 TX. Now some one asked a wile back about using black pipe insted of=20 white and some one said to for sure to use white pipe because of lose=20 of resestance. Jim S From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 13 00:40:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31739 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 08:40:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2007 08:40:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp123.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.96) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 08:40:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13502 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 08:40:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.20.188.19 with login) by smtp123.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 08:40:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wj7iN5QVM1kfxECFqg_ZLW8K47iLKwjyA4uefv0uTYx3fPqK3QAABCHEaSTeQnUdxbhHdOFHVA-- Message-ID: <000c01c83d63$d6395f80$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:40:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: FOR SALE!!!!!!! 50 kw KDJQ AM 890 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=Cd5UC1gYoRX9ioAW04-C9DiklRZtXW4T-oONIivhX7TbtwYIOt4BQTueI4Noe6386EZwXfAl X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I was just was looking this station up because I was able to get this station daring morning and late after noons in the summer and they sounded good to. There calls are KDJQ AM 890 50kw Boise Id $800.000 and it also had 40 acres for there site. Its on Graigs List so you need to move quickly. I like that station when I can get it. It would be a shame if another station was lost to talk. Every station that goes talk is a shame. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Dec 13 01:08:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25119 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 09:08:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2007 09:08:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.179) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 09:08:20 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so1506572pyc.4 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:08:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.12.10 with SMTP id p10mr1956209pyi.36.1197536899771; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:08:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:08:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80712130108y5a2eb0e7o377e98c2c812b2b4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 04:08:19 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c83d63$d6395f80$20a4fea9@jimsmith> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000c01c83d63$d6395f80$20a4fea9@jimsmith> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} FOR SALE!!!!!!! 50 kw KDJQ AM 890 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=LSNR1GarnJa9lH4teKFKh8v_X2ySyiVNRmSWpPn84jPzpWEkfvD6qKic X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Every station that goes to talk is a shame because you personally don't like talk? maybe they go talk because thats what the market can bare and thats what will make the station money. Just because you dont like the format, doesn't mean it's not a good format. Radio isn't all about fun, a station has to make money and it needs to do what it needs to do to make money. By the way, the fact KDJQ is for sale has been public knowledge . .for what.. almost 2 months? It was posted on craigslist.org Boise awhile back and mentioned on several other broadcast lists. You're a bit late... Paul Walker On Dec 13, 2007 3:40 AM, wrote: > Hi Gang I was just was looking this station up because I was able to get > this station daring morning and late after noons in the summer and they > sounded good to. There calls are KDJQ AM 890 50kw Boise Id $800.000 and it > also had 40 acres for there site. Its on Graigs List so you need to move > quickly. I like that station when I can get it. It would be a shame if > another station was lost to talk. Every station that goes talk is a shame. > Jim S > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 13 01:48:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7394 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 09:48:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2007 09:48:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.144) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 09:48:21 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2007 09:48:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2007 09:48:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2007 09:48:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:48:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80712130108y5a2eb0e7o377e98c2c812b2b4@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.146.44 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} FOR SALE!!!!!!! 50 kw KDJQ AM 890 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=ekcuoL2aKgyxIoJzhekUiMy5iNaN83ZFNi-ks0VGyIPtkIr1gfCbWtjh8fXPFpnQxjnMf4N6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 wrote: > > Every station that goes to talk is a shame because you personally=20 don't like > talk? maybe they go talk because thats what the market can bare and=20 thats > what will make the station money. Just because you dont like the=20 format, > doesn't mean it's not a good format. Radio isn't all about fun, a=20 station > has to make money and it needs to do what it needs to do to make=20 money. >=20 > By the way, the fact KDJQ is for sale has been public=20 knowledge . .for > what.. almost 2 months? It was posted on craigslist.org Boise=20 awhile back > and mentioned on several other broadcast lists. >=20 > You're a bit late... >=20 > Paul Walker >=20 > On Dec 13, 2007 3:40 AM, wrote: >=20 > > Hi Gang I was just was looking this station up because I was=20 able to get > > this station daring morning and late after noons in the summer=20 and they > > sounded good to. There calls are KDJQ AM 890 50kw Boise Id=20 $800.000 and it > > also had 40 acres for there site. Its on Graigs List so you need=20 to move > > quickly. I like that station when I can get it. It would be a=20 shame if > > another station was lost to talk. Every station that goes talk is=20 a shame. > > Jim S > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Pual The resson I don't like talk radio that much because I saw=20 in my area big corp. radio oweners come in buy up the music stations=20 and turn them in to talk. And all most all talk radio stations sound=20 the same to me T....A....L....K . And No I am sorry for not knowing=20 that KDJQ was listed for the last 2 months. For give me.... Jim S From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 13 01:55:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44387 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 09:55:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2007 09:55:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 09:55:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2007 09:55:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2007 09:55:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:55:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.146.44 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} FOR SALE!!!!!!! 50 kw KDJQ AM 890 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=pB4wsEpy8b2ezjLr2tJxy2ZkcwZZI6upGn-DA66bMD_VK0s_PfHQAOei1hDexvlEk4r_Mxmi X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 > wrote: > > > > Every station that goes to talk is a shame because you personally=20 > don't like > > talk? maybe they go talk because thats what the market can bare=20 and=20 > thats > > what will make the station money. Just because you dont like the=20 > format, > > doesn't mean it's not a good format. Radio isn't all about fun, a=20 > station > > has to make money and it needs to do what it needs to do to make=20 > money. > >=20 > > By the way, the fact KDJQ is for sale has been public=20 > knowledge . .for > > what.. almost 2 months? It was posted on craigslist.org Boise=20 > awhile back > > and mentioned on several other broadcast lists. > >=20 > > You're a bit late... > >=20 > > Paul Walker > >=20 > > On Dec 13, 2007 3:40 AM, wrote: > >=20 > > > Hi Gang I was just was looking this station up because I was=20 > able to get > > > this station daring morning and late after noons in the summer=20 > and they > > > sounded good to. There calls are KDJQ AM 890 50kw Boise Id=20 > $800.000 and it > > > also had 40 acres for there site. Its on Graigs List so you=20 need=20 > to move > > > quickly. I like that station when I can get it. It would be a=20 > shame if > > > another station was lost to talk. Every station that goes talk=20 is=20 > a shame. > > > Jim S > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --=20 > > Sincerely, > > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Pual The resson I don't like talk radio that much because I saw=20 > in my area big corp. radio oweners come in buy up the music=20 stations=20 > and turn them in to talk. And all most all talk radio stations=20 sound=20 > the same to me T....A....L....K . And No I am sorry for not knowing=20 > that KDJQ was listed for the last 2 months. For give me.... Jim S > Hi Paul I for got to mentoin that talk radio is also why AM STEREO=20 lost a lot of ground. Jim S From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Dec 13 06:10:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40214 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 14:10:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2007 14:10:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 14:10:25 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c73.2062e5af (30737) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:10:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:10:10 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=41z0_SLDeXnnCyivMWUVq8Uw16znrF7bcDMtHhwLL3vIzqPoTSDn9ScpPe5WHU-U X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/13/07 1:27:05 AM Central Standard Time, jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net writes: > Hi Mike What I was going to do is put every thing inside of the 6 in > white pipe for out side use. And yes I was going to make the loading > coil out of 1 1/4 in pvc pipe and put it inside of the 6 in pipe with > TX. Now some one asked a wile back about using black pipe insted of > white and some one said to for sure to use white pipe because of lose > of resestance. Jim S > The resistance of a 10 ft. peice of wire at broadcast band frequencies is far less than 1 ohm. I wouldn't worry about the resistance of the pipe. Do you know what inductance you need? Perhaps I could send you a ferrite core inductor you could try. Free, of course. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Dec 13 06:21:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92204 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 14:21:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2007 14:21:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.171) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 14:21:03 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c51.1bdcc6d1 (30737) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:20:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:20:59 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} FOR SALE!!!!!!! 50 kw KDJQ AM 890 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=iaBakH08WzPtEuS2ShsSUXnmNSYOo_pOj-10n3bB4fYgXaQ_m0cHQ3JLq_e8u5de X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul, I am certain there's a market for child pornography, crack cocaine, black tar herion, nuclear weapons for terrorists, and talk radio(*). I would chose not to be the purveyor of such things. That's why I could never succeed in radio sales nor management. I'd also not buy a radio station off Craig's List. Unless things have changed, any new owner would have to qualify for the license under FCC rules. (*) I made an exception for Air America. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Dec 13 06:33:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6034 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 14:33:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2007 14:33:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.170) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 14:33:06 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c0f.16feeadf (30737) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:32:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:32:45 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} FOR SALE!!!!!!! 50 kw KDJQ AM 890 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=FAAdoyTBqsNhQsB_BDwfioCe-3JMtifGB-52-6fto4j6YLJLsa2Fj8oMQ3os8AcS X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had an idea. Maybe someone could buy the station and change the call letters to WLS and have a Top 40 contemporary format with strong radio personalities. I can hear the jingle now, "AM 89, W-L-S, B-o-i-s-e". Anyone know if they sell Old Style in Idaho? The problem I have with Talk Radio is that it is almost exclusively right wing propaganda by big corporations for big corporations. No, radio doesn't always have to entertain. However, that's what these clowns supposedly do. I would like to see more diversity in radio ownership and content. Just my opinion. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Dec 13 06:49:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66332 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 14:49:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2007 14:49:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ro-out-1112.google.com) (72.14.202.181) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 14:49:31 -0000 X-Received: by ro-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m6so359289roe.11 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:49:31 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.114.15 with SMTP id m15mr820063wfc.235.1197557370903; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:49:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m8sm8619831roe.2007.12.13.06.49.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:49:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47614671.7060309@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:49:21 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 72.14.202.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} FOR SALE!!!!!!! 50 kw KDJQ AM 890 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=WRn_BUKdjWAFrnDgxTZenpCI8QGy3CBpoG0cDVa4c2Hm4N-SmePfc0B8WU5l0w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I would like to see more diversity in radio ownership and content. Just my opinion. I agree 100%! Possum From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Dec 13 09:20:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55744 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 17:20:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2007 17:20:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 17:20:38 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.241] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071213112012002904600003> for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:20:12 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008201c83dac$d57f0600$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:20:12 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=VDZxdQjWa4jJs0s-2He8Ytxg36GBLSu9kZ5unEJvNmwXVvRdHAxG X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is the problem of the carbon used in the making of the black PVC pipe, though. It would absorb the signal. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com In a message dated 12/13/07 1:27:05 AM Central Standard Time, jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net writes: > Hi Mike What I was going to do is put every thing inside of the 6 in > white pipe for out side use. And yes I was going to make the loading > coil out of 1 1/4 in pvc pipe and put it inside of the 6 in pipe with > TX. Now some one asked a wile back about using black pipe insted of > white and some one said to for sure to use white pipe because of lose > of resestance. Jim S > The resistance of a 10 ft. peice of wire at broadcast band frequencies is far less than 1 ohm. I wouldn't worry about the resistance of the pipe. Do you know what inductance you need? Perhaps I could send you a ferrite core inductor you could try. Free, of course. Mike --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Dec 13 09:54:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66392 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 17:54:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2007 17:54:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 17:54:38 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.241] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071213115413002066300003> for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:54:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00b601c83db1$95e24980$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:54:13 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} FOR SALE!!!!!!! 50 kw KDJQ AM 890 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=gIRQBjLh4JWtlFK80CxCQw-CWq2QsqcHnxClKbjvevEtRSHp6N0t X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm old enough to remember when conservatives on talk radio were a rarity. When Rush Limbaugh first went national, he wasn't on a lot of big stations. Love him or hate him, his success was entirely due to the fact folks found him either or both entertaining and agreed with his opinions. Some of his affiliates became prosperous enough to upgrade their signals, and in other markets he got snatched up by the bigger stations. As for diverse views, I hear more dissenting opinions on Michael Medved than I do on ANY Air America or even NPR program. I dare say the majority of the Salem lineup is that way; certainly there's more intellectual honesty. You're not likely to hear any of them render a partial quote in order to make someone look like a fool or bigot the way Ed Shultz did about Bill Bennett. Sgt. Shultz is distributed by Jones, not AA, BTW. Jones is actually doing OK with their handful of leftie talkers while AA can't get off the ground. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com The problem I have with Talk Radio is that it is almost exclusively right wing propaganda by big corporations for big corporations. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 13 19:23:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10477 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2007 03:23:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2007 03:23:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.216) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2007 03:23:32 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2007 03:23:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2007 03:23:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2007 03:23:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:23:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.32.74.248 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=HY6c_cD5vOxf6bM4V4J_3qDwYu-EISUKurzLjIN7x8jTLR46Rq3huwKv0FVS5lZc3ooEWF-H X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 12/13/07 1:27:05 AM Central Standard Time,=20 > jimsmith95663@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > Hi Mike What I was going to do is put every thing inside of the 6=20 in=20 > > white pipe for out side use. And yes I was going to make the=20 loading=20 > > coil out of 1 1/4 in pvc pipe and put it inside of the 6 in pipe=20 with=20 > > TX. Now some one asked a wile back about using black pipe insted=20 of=20 > > white and some one said to for sure to use white pipe because of=20 lose=20 > > of resestance. Jim S > >=20 >=20 > The resistance of a 10 ft. peice of wire at broadcast band=20 frequencies is far=20 > less than 1 ohm. I wouldn't worry about the resistance of the=20 pipe. Do you=20 > know what inductance you need? Perhaps I could send you a ferrite=20 core=20 > inductor you could try. Free, of course. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************************************** > See AOL's top rated recipes=20 > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000004) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Mike I don't know about the ferrite rod ant. I am unforgenet=20 enough that I don't know more about engeneering. I am not a engineer=20 so I only know simpull stuff. So what Chris Cuff wrought in his=20 instrutions to make a simpull loading coil out of a toilet roll wined=20 125 wines of #14 wire round it and use a old AM tuner for tuning. I=20 had used a fixed cap before with great resolts. And I am going to=20 replace the toilet roll with a peace of wite pvc pipe 1 1/4 in. So in=20 case Chris forgets the note I had put in the box, can you send me a=20 fixed cap for 1000kc? Jim S From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Dec 13 22:15:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37633 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2007 06:15:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2007 06:15:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2007 06:15:36 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cfa.23e78c8e (41809) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:15:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:15:31 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=TxhGBmPh77WxkKbIlo1mrzYkkLRB5lxxusG5qPGnocReIS-6w6WRE4L0xBoEJSrg X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/13/07 9:23:54 PM Central Standard Time, jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net writes: > Hi Mike I don't know about the ferrite rod ant. I am unforgenet > enough that I don't know more about engeneering. I am not a engineer > so I only know simpull stuff. So what Chris Cuff wrought in his > instrutions to make a simpull loading coil out of a toilet roll wined > 125 wines of #14 wire round it and use a old AM tuner for tuning. I > had used a fixed cap before with great resolts. And I am going to > replace the toilet roll with a peace of wite pvc pipe 1 1/4 in. So in > case Chris forgets the note I had put in the box, can you send me a > fixed cap for 1000kc? Jim S > Actually, you should require a coil, not a cap. I have one of Chris's latest boards which he modified. There is no schematic available, so I don't know what it needs for a proper load. A capacitor across the coils means the coil has too much in inductance. You could be the same thing by removing turns. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 14 02:37:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65722 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2007 10:37:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2007 10:37:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.209) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2007 10:37:52 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2007 10:37:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2007 10:37:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2007 10:37:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:37:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.151.112 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=-i1NGZeWLFuIkV2I8cijDXcCnwMnQQc05aKEKZeDZ8gNOdIhFkJxRr0tYbH8xSrNRs63KGpq X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 12/13/07 9:23:54 PM Central Standard Time,=20 > jimsmith95663@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > Hi Mike I don't know about the ferrite rod ant. I am unforgenet=20 > > enough that I don't know more about engeneering. I am not a=20 engineer=20 > > so I only know simpull stuff. So what Chris Cuff wrought in his=20 > > instrutions to make a simpull loading coil out of a toilet roll=20 wined=20 > > 125 wines of #14 wire round it and use a old AM tuner for tuning.=20 I=20 > > had used a fixed cap before with great resolts. And I am going to=20 > > replace the toilet roll with a peace of wite pvc pipe 1 1/4 in.=20 So in=20 > > case Chris forgets the note I had put in the box, can you send me=20 a=20 > > fixed cap for 1000kc? Jim S > >=20 >=20 > Actually, you should require a coil, not a cap. I have one of=20 Chris's latest=20 > boards which he modified. There is no schematic available, so I=20 don't know=20 > what it needs for a proper load. >=20 > A capacitor across the coils means the coil has too much in=20 inductance. You=20 > could be the same thing by removing turns. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************************************** > See AOL's top rated recipes=20 > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000004) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Mike It worked perty good I was able to get out about 1/4 mile on=20 a 1/2 wave cb ant. with the TX in my bed room. So the signal had to=20 go through the loading coil up the 25 ft cable in to the ant.=20 through the cb loading coil and then out to cb ant.. And that was=20 only with his old 10mw TX. He is updating it as we wright. So I=20 can't wait I miss AM STEREO realy bad!!!!! JIM S From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Dec 14 10:47:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91647 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2007 18:47:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2007 18:47:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2007 18:47:54 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d4a.1b3f5b12 (30737) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:47:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:47:47 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=OdeSTNtjINeQn3--cwV3jrVLkfpIlG42JvQjK-ZuYz5culTR1jhNZGwsZNQVX7wx X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/14/07 4:38:28 AM Central Standard Time, jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net writes: > Hi Mike It worked perty good I was able to get out about 1/4 mile on > a 1/2 wave cb ant. with the TX in my bed room. So the signal had to > go through the loading coil up the 25 ft cable in to the ant. > through the cb loading coil and then out to cb ant.. And that was > only with his old 10mw TX. He is updating it as we wright. So I > can't wait I miss AM STEREO realy bad!!!!! JIM S > Of course, you know your arrangement is not Part 15 compliant, but enough said about that. I offerred to take Chris's schematic in whatever form it was (handwritten, paper napkin, etc.) and make a formal drawing for him to keep for free. I'm a professional and do good schematics. In the older version of the board which has a posted schematic, it has a linear Class AB push pull output. There was nothing I could see that limited its input to 100mW as required. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Dec 14 14:48:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50394 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2007 22:48:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2007 22:48:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.228) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2007 22:48:22 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.78]) by bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:48:22 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:48:22 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:48:21 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:48:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2007 22:48:22.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DCE3100:01C83EA3] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: AX-10 Manual Now Posted at BE website X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=95cwXaqrNBLhjpG8D3GlMg9kgMiUxO6ckMNbGNpPKgk5 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Here is a link to the manual http://www.bdcast.com/fgal/prod_manual/AX-10_AM_Stereo_Exciter_Manual.pdf Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 14 15:40:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89721 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2007 23:40:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2007 23:40:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.56) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2007 23:40:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2007 23:40:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2007 23:40:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:40:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.124.246 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Part 15 Compliance Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=ERwR8caJ28YCVcJTMkQz-XfDQKFYO-2RYsenUJ2DJ4btbPOLRSA-YQsIJRGfkzxH6jFgX5yq X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 12/14/07 4:38:28 AM Central Standard Time,=20 > jimsmith95663@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > Hi Mike It worked perty good I was able to get out about 1/4 mile=20 on=20 > > a 1/2 wave cb ant. with the TX in my bed room. So the signal had=20 to=20 > > go through the loading coil up the 25 ft cable in to the ant.=20 > > through the cb loading coil and then out to cb ant.. And that was=20 > > only with his old 10mw TX. He is updating it as we wright. So I=20 > > can't wait I miss AM STEREO realy bad!!!!! JIM S > >=20 >=20 > Of course, you know your arrangement is not Part 15 compliant, but=20 enough=20 > said about that. >=20 > I offerred to take Chris's schematic in whatever form it was=20 (handwritten,=20 > paper napkin, etc.) and make a formal drawing for him to keep for=20 free. I'm a=20 > professional and do good schematics. >=20 > In the older version of the board which has a posted schematic, it=20 has a=20 > linear Class AB push pull output. There was nothing I could see=20 that limited its=20 > input to 100mW as required.=20=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************************************** > See AOL's top rated recipes=20 > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000004) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Mike I know you are right about that it was not compiant and it=20 will still be not also. Acording to the FCC site you only so post to=20 get out with a P.15 AM TX 300ft. Jim s From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Dec 14 16:01:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82645 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2007 00:01:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2007 00:01:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s1.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.73) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2007 00:01:26 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.75]) by bay0-omc1-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:01:00 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:01:00 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:00:58 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:00:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2007 00:01:00.0605 (UTC) FILETIME=[939096D0:01C83EAD] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.73 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AX-10 Manual Now Posted at BE website X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=l6Ia9kSdGf2ADE_6szrYcxF3UpMDIPW2khvGSBLUzzxJ X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Hi, Thank You for uploading the manual. It is very much appreciated :-) Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: {AMSF} AX-10 Manual Now Posted at BE website > Here is a link to the manual > > http://www.bdcast.com/fgal/prod_manual/AX-10_AM_Stereo_Exciter_Manual.pdf > > > > Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis > > Moderator Hunterdonfree > http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Dec 14 16:03:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89707 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2007 00:03:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2007 00:03:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.175) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2007 00:03:25 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.83]) by bay0-omc2-s39.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:03:26 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:03:25 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:03:23 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:03:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2007 00:03:25.0842 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA21FF20:01C83EAD] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AX-10 Manual Now Posted at BE website X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=inIAM6YRvoazXOvJIwmSOdGyjzByQBSVauLKvpgYjtun X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd oops, wrong email adress ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 7:00 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AX-10 Manual Now Posted at BE website > Hi, > > Thank You for uploading the manual. It is very much appreciated :-) > > Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis > > Moderator Hunterdonfree > http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 5:48 PM > Subject: {AMSF} AX-10 Manual Now Posted at BE website > > >> Here is a link to the manual >> >> http://www.bdcast.com/fgal/prod_manual/AX-10_AM_Stereo_Exciter_Manual.pdf >> >> >> >> Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis >> >> Moderator Hunterdonfree >> http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree >> > From badeditpro@comcast.net Sun Dec 16 20:09:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24105 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 04:09:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 04:09:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.30.40) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 04:09:52 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RV091Y00817UAYk0A0dd00; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:09:55 +0000 X-Received: from joeandlynn ([71.62.246.80]) by OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Rg9t1Y00N1koVkf8Z00000; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:09:55 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=iWH8BU9YB_L-WuXRBigA:9 a=TIZAmWIPV7hIyBh3BdLbJd2afTgA:4 a=FEaNhf3AWQsA:10 a=nVlmlWy-w1EKSP0df44A:9 a=fTSgolRYLIc9D0FGHf4A:7 a=YyQgO9_gWSfHo76ORgdIREkPn5AA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Message-ID: <000601c84062$b01b7020$50f63e47@joeandlynn> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:09:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 76.96.30.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: RADIO: NO HELP AT ALL! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=294947950; y=SfCMx_JYZEiF7atu8bu2GUbnNPo5pe59EjhFNfWp6VxwkXm_xV0eRTQ_Hwsx X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Last night we had an ice storm. The power goes out and I bust out the cand= les and a portable radio=85 We listen all night and find absolutely no loca= l content about the storm. Nothing. There was not one single local voice = on the air. I didn=92t even hear any voice tracks. Syndication and =91seg= ue serenade=92 was the only programming available. Even the so called news= station had nothing to say=85. I was told this was a major power outage w= hen I called the power company. I was told power was out all over our area= and they had no clue when it would come back on. From the radio, nothing.= Nadda. Zip. Zero.=20=20 =20 What is it they always tell you? Make sure you have a radio and batteries = in case of an emergency? The government has been drumming that into our he= ads for years. Well, maybe they should start pointing out that it won=92t = do you any good at unless the emergency happens to be a hurricane or blizza= rd or some other predictable event. God help you if there is an earthquake= , toxic train derailment or terrorists set off a dirty bomb and it happens = to be after 7 pm on a Saturday night. There won=92t be anybody on the air = to tell you shit about it. =20 What a sad state we=92re in when serving the Public Interest only applies i= f it happens to be a weekday between 6 am and 6 pm. How far we have come f= rom when I started. From day one of my training I was told how important i= t was to watch the newswire, know how to use the EBS equipment and who to c= all to find out what the hell was going on if something happened. Every st= ation had generators, an emergency procedure book in the studio and a list = of important phone number to call; the power company, city government=92s e= mergency numbers, state and local police, schools and so on=85 Today, no = generators =96 too expensive. EAS, if it works at all, only sends out a me= ssage once and that\s it. No jock on duty to follow up and give a report o= n the status of an event as it unfolds =96 once again, too expensive. Even= if there is someone on the air, they probably have not been trained in any= emergency procedures. Most managers don=92t know either and they have nev= er been taught to care.=20=20 =20 Go ahead; blame new technology and more choices in media for the decline in= radio. Go on=85. But, don=92t you forget that no one outside our industry= can be blamed for dropping the ball when it comes to disaster preparedness= . We did that. The one thing we can do better than anybody else and we ig= nore it because of complacency, slash-and-burn budgeting and a general apat= hy toward why we=92re here in the first place. Call me idealistic and old-= fashioned if you want to but I was always taught that part of being a good = steward of the air-waves was asking the question =91what if?=92 and plannin= g what to do if it does. It really burns my ass that the answer to =91what= if?=92 has become =91so what?=92! =20 =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Dec 16 20:19:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17853 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 04:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 04:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.182) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 04:19:34 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so2159356pyb.6 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:19:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.98.3 with SMTP id a3mr3665058pym.22.1197865173803; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:19:33 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:19:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80712162019hbbb511bpa8b2b8f51a5ec0d1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:19:33 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000601c84062$b01b7020$50f63e47@joeandlynn> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000601c84062$b01b7020$50f63e47@joeandlynn> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} RADIO: NO HELP AT ALL! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=hLINdaIKIeoPboE1krkunFwfL6x_LH-EuvKtgssSp1s_USZN5NuE2wRE X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I take some offense to this. I may not be perfect nor do I run the best radio station, but I am "on duty= " 24/7. Our EAS works great and has worked great since the first day I got here. If it starts spitting on tape, I check to see what the problem/alert/warning is about, then I head voer to the computer to look at weather radar or news sites and am on the air, live, within 5 minutes and passing onto our listeners what's going on. Paul On Dec 16, 2007 11:09 PM, Joe Collins wrote: > Last night we had an ice storm. The power goes out and I bust out the > candles and a portable radio=85 We listen all night and find absolutely n= o > local content about the storm. Nothing. There was not one single local > voice on the air. I didn't even hear any voice tracks. Syndication and > 'segue serenade' was the only programming available. Even the so called > news station had nothing to say=85. I was told this was a major power ou= tage > when I called the power company. I was told power was out all over our a= rea > and they had no clue when it would come back on. From the radio, nothing= . > Nadda. Zip. Zero. > > > > What is it they always tell you? Make sure you have a radio and batterie= s > in case of an emergency? The government has been drumming that into our > heads for years. Well, maybe they should start pointing out that it won'= t > do you any good at unless the emergency happens to be a hurricane or > blizzard or some other predictable event. God help you if there is an > earthquake, toxic train derailment or terrorists set off a dirty bomb and= it > happens to be after 7 pm on a Saturday night. There won't be anybody on = the > air to tell you shit about it. > > > > What a sad state we're in when serving the Public Interest only applies i= f > it happens to be a weekday between 6 am and 6 pm. How far we have come f= rom > when I started. From day one of my training I was told how important it = was > to watch the newswire, know how to use the EBS equipment and who to call = to > find out what the hell was going on if something happened. Every station > had generators, an emergency procedure book in the studio and a list of > important phone number to call; the power company, city government's > emergency numbers, state and local police, schools and so on=85 Today, = no > generators =96 too expensive. EAS, if it works at all, only sends out a > message once and that\s it. No jock on duty to follow up and give a repo= rt > on the status of an event as it unfolds =96 once again, too expensive. E= ven > if there is someone on the air, they probably have not been trained in an= y > emergency procedures. Most managers don't know either and they have neve= r > been taught to care. > > > > Go ahead; blame new technology and more choices in media for the decline > in radio. Go on=85. But, don't you forget that no one outside our indust= ry > can be blamed for dropping the ball when it comes to disaster preparednes= s. > We did that. The one thing we can do better than anybody else and we > ignore it because of complacency, slash-and-burn budgeting and a general > apathy toward why we're here in the first place. Call me idealistic and > old-fashioned if you want to but I was always taught that part of being a > good steward of the air-waves was asking the question 'what if?' and > planning what to do if it does. It really burns my ass that the answer t= o > 'what if?' has become 'so what?'! > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > --=20 Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Dec 16 20:54:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43297 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 04:54:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 04:54:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fmailhost02.isp.att.net) (204.127.217.102) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 04:54:19 -0000 X-Received: from owner2d075f959 (adsl-153-50-10.mia.bellsouth.net[72.153.50.10]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20071217045400H0200ae5ome>; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:54:00 +0000 Message-ID: <00aa01c84068$cd9d8c90$7c01a8c0@owner2d075f959> To: References: <000601c84062$b01b7020$50f63e47@joeandlynn> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:53:44 -0500 Organization: Q Media Hot 100, LAZR, 1003. KOOL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071216-0, 12/16/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 204.127.217.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "J Gualda Q Media" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RADIO: NO HELP AT ALL! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=2YGRNWK2awdBrw9qZCvIibp89wOLNqSw7cBhPZZ7uRIDop8 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Joe, There are some stations out there with Local content, but your situation is becoming the norm, not the exception, and this is why people are abandoning traditional radio. I have actually heard GMs say that they are no longer in the "news business", but sadly this means that because of budget cuts, many clusters do not have a real person except business hours, and they rely on EAS. It's gotten quite sad. My station still has local news, and actually has a 5 person News team. This is rare now, but maybe it is why we are number 1 in the morning. Did the local TV stations have anything ? Juan Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Collins" To: "AM Stereo Forum" Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 11:09 PM Subject: {AMSF} RADIO: NO HELP AT ALL! Last night we had an ice storm. The power goes out and I bust out the candles and a portable radio… We listen all night and find absolutely no local content about the storm. Nothing. There was not one single local voice on the air. I didn’t even hear any voice tracks. Syndication and ‘segue serenade’ was the only programming available. Even the so called news station had nothing to say…. I was told this was a major power outage when I called the power company. I was told power was out all over our area and they had no clue when it would come back on. From the radio, nothing. Nadda. Zip. Zero. What is it they always tell you? Make sure you have a radio and batteries in case of an emergency? The government has been drumming that into our heads for years. Well, maybe they should start pointing out that it won’t do you any good at unless the emergency happens to be a hurricane or blizzard or some other predictable event. God help you if there is an earthquake, toxic train derailment or terrorists set off a dirty bomb and it happens to be after 7 pm on a Saturday night. There won’t be anybody on the air to tell you shit about it. What a sad state we’re in when serving the Public Interest only applies if it happens to be a weekday between 6 am and 6 pm. How far we have come from when I started. From day one of my training I was told how important it was to watch the newswire, know how to use the EBS equipment and who to call to find out what the hell was going on if something happened. Every station had generators, an emergency procedure book in the studio and a list of important phone number to call; the power company, city government’s emergency numbers, state and local police, schools and so on… Today, no generators – too expensive. EAS, if it works at all, only sends out a message once and that\s it. No jock on duty to follow up and give a report on the status of an event as it unfolds – once again, too expensive. Even if there is someone on the air, they probably have not been trained in any emergency procedures. Most managers don’t know either and they have never been taught to care. Go ahead; blame new technology and more choices in media for the decline in radio. Go on…. But, don’t you forget that no one outside our industry can be blamed for dropping the ball when it comes to disaster preparedness. We did that. The one thing we can do better than anybody else and we ignore it because of complacency, slash-and-burn budgeting and a general apathy toward why we’re here in the first place. Call me idealistic and old-fashioned if you want to but I was always taught that part of being a good steward of the air-waves was asking the question ‘what if?’ and planning what to do if it does. It really burns my ass that the answer to ‘what if?’ has become ‘so what?’! From badeditpro@comcast.net Sun Dec 16 21:30:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15500 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 05:30:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 05:30:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.30.32) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 05:30:49 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RYDH1Y0040mlR8U0A0cR00; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:30:54 +0000 X-Received: from joeandlynn ([71.62.246.80]) by OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RhWt1Y00D1koVkf8X00000; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:30:54 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=rLOs5nS4cuubxVRP7a4A:9 a=fmXWaCTRzTYIOMyMKK0HzpAMKe8A:4 a=ok68_o4NJqgA:10 a=0tDXpuNnPxL2MpduWuMA:9 a=eaUC9xQfH6IVVOF6i4AA:7 a=_Ax1sbK9HS4XEEdRbePh9d5paZIA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Message-ID: <000c01c8406e$00e95110$50f63e47@joeandlynn> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:30:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 76.96.30.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Re: RADIO: NO HELP AT ALL! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=294947950; y=T7osRHxCcMTU92BU9XSrCreGNCjb_rGYdwU8QEe3jnRb3KdkrYjuSdFPLFLv X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul, No offence was intended.... It sounds to me like you are a serious broadcaster who understands exactly what I am talking about. Unfortunately, you sir, are in the minority! My rant focuses on the fact that there was no one saying anything at all about the situation on the 30 or so local stations I can receive. Nothing! As an Operations Manager, I have been fighting the powers that be over this issue for years. Last brought it all home... This great medium we love is in dire straits and this is one of the reasons it is that way... :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditpro@comcast.net Sun Dec 16 21:45:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76179 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 05:45:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 05:45:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.62.16) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 05:45:26 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Rgw11Y0020QuhwU0503X00; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:45:26 +0000 X-Received: from joeandlynn ([71.62.246.80]) by OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RhlS1Y0031koVkf3N00000; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:45:26 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ZG5Q75Pd4k20pinBuYAA:9 a=fPW7nOJJ3Xs5fKX9IwGk58ZJUc0A:4 a=3I_whO4B8K8A:10 a=iQXqwNdw1g28KN9CTE8A:9 a=jLjkVs99eqz3u8cwIlYymqoprIwA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Message-ID: <000901c84070$0be08f00$50f63e47@joeandlynn> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:45:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 76.96.62.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Re: RADIO: NO HELP AT ALL! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=294947950; y=tx2-9cVvjaThE3cEyuLEGKs-TDKQP5AIKAbT8YZ1kzOO2eqVE_xEpaP6EvYV X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I have no clue what TV was doing.... My big screen don't take D cells... LOL. That's the problem. How many folks have TV's that run on batteries? So, TV coverage in a power outage is close to useless. The only service that up was cellular phones, hence, I could call the juice jockeys to see why there was no lights. That was it. There are a few stations and companies that are on the ball but mostly in Top 50 markets. Down here in #277 we got close to nothing. :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Mon Dec 17 00:24:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23427 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 08:24:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 08:24:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.253) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 08:24:13 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2007 08:24:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2007 08:24:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2007 08:24:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:24:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c84062$b01b7020$50f63e47@joeandlynn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.253 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: RADIO: NO HELP AT ALL! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=I2DxFwEYBH2GW-kGOLudQf5a1HinJ2Rl4kTwWb436L6ZwFmnL6lh X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 I have sympathy for you. However, I know I'm not part of the=20 problem, my station in Central Vermont.. market number.. who cares?=20 and I've never cared... is live from 5am to Midnight 6 days a week=20 and is live from 6am to midnight on Sunday out of our Waterbury=20 studio at 9 Stowe street. I got a call from my program director to be there at 4pm instead of=20 the usual 6pm as the usual person who holds the noon to 6pm slot was=20 snowed in. Shortly after 3pm I started tossing the snow off my car=20 and moved on in. I was constantly updating my list of event closings=20 and postponements after showing up and used nearly all local cut ins=20 during the NFL game we were broadcasting for that purpose. As the day grew into night the phone started ringing and delays for=20 tomorrow (Monday) started to trickle in. I was on every half hour=20 during my own Sunday night jazz show reading the list of schools=20 which had been delayed two hours. None had been cancelled except for=20 Vermont Technical College in Randolph. It's still burned in my brain,=20 and I've been home for 3 hours... ps.. It's 3am and I should be in=20 bed... but, no I was doing my passion... I think I even forgot to=20 clock in this evening. At this hour that list has likely gotten larger, but I did my duty to=20 the Central Vermont public and the broader Vermont public as the=20 transmitters carry out further than the ratings will ever indicate.=20=20 Not everyone in Vermont knows my place on the dial is the place to go=20 for this information... except if they were born here... some=20 actually call me and thank me. It's at that point when I truly=20 realize what the radio is there for.=20=20 Had there been any lights out... someone I know would have called me=20 asking me when the lights were coming back on... I'd've then called=20 the proper utility after finding out what town they lived in.=20=20 Sometimes when that happens the utility calls me, and I have always=20 answered that call. Radio is every bit as much a public utility as=20 the power company or the phone company or the water works. I'll admit... I slip up sometimes... but, I try every day I have a=20 chance at getting it right and every single one of my 40 co-workers=20 feels the same way. I just try to hold the torch that has always=20 been lit at 550 kHz in the Green Mountains since 1931, that is all. I gotta lay down here and relax. Bob, WDEV My normal shift is Sunday from 6pm to midnight. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" =20 wrote: > > Last night we had an ice storm. The power goes out and I bust out=20 the candles and a portable radio=85 We listen all night and find=20 absolutely no local content about the storm. Nothing. There was not=20 one single local voice on the air. I didn't even hear any voice=20 tracks. Syndication and `segue serenade' was the only programming=20 available. Even the so called news station had nothing to say=85. I=20 was told this was a major power outage when I called the power=20 company. I was told power was out all over our area and they had no=20 clue when it would come back on. From the radio, nothing. Nadda.=20 Zip. Zero.=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > What is it they always tell you? Make sure you have a radio and=20 batteries in case of an emergency? The government has been drumming=20 that into our heads for years. Well, maybe they should start=20 pointing out that it won't do you any good at unless the emergency=20 happens to be a hurricane or blizzard or some other predictable=20 event. God help you if there is an earthquake, toxic train=20 derailment or terrorists set off a dirty bomb and it happens to be=20 after 7 pm on a Saturday night. There won't be anybody on the air to=20 tell you shit about it. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > What a sad state we're in when serving the Public Interest only=20 applies if it happens to be a weekday between 6 am and 6 pm. How far=20 we have come from when I started. From day one of my training I was=20 told how important it was to watch the newswire, know how to use the=20 EBS equipment and who to call to find out what the hell was going on=20 if something happened. Every station had generators, an emergency=20 procedure book in the studio and a list of important phone number to=20 call; the power company, city government's emergency numbers, state=20 and local police, schools and so on=85 Today, no generators =96 too=20 expensive. EAS, if it works at all, only sends out a message once=20 and that\s it. No jock on duty to follow up and give a report on the=20 status of an event as it unfolds =96 once again, too expensive. Even=20 if there is someone on the air, they probably have not been trained=20 in any emergency procedures. Most managers don't know either and=20 they have never been taught to care.=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Go ahead; blame new technology and more choices in media for the=20 decline in radio. Go on=85. But, don't you forget that no one outside=20 our industry can be blamed for dropping the ball when it comes to=20 disaster preparedness. We did that. The one thing we can do better=20 than anybody else and we ignore it because of complacency, slash-and- burn budgeting and a general apathy toward why we're here in the=20 first place. Call me idealistic and old-fashioned if you want to but=20 I was always taught that part of being a good steward of the air- waves was asking the question `what if?' and planning what to do if=20 it does. It really burns my ass that the answer to `what if?' has=20 become `so what?'! >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 17 03:55:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26388 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 11:55:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 11:55:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.204) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 11:55:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21153 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 11:55:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.19.157.71 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 11:55:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: A__CFvkVM1noTYSXrjUL9OjsUz7prrClcQN.n9wtytS2TKgbxL0xr1JVxKx4krpps9fc8NCS_w-- Message-ID: <000a01c840a3$c84d1180$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:55:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=onN_5gc9JwIX7SdOWjeNK3Azc5B2P9OOMDsY0XB2f9YjHTe1M_aqEBOpLaQEkvbnT5DBmLkI X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I need some info about a 5/8 FM transceiver ant. I had talked to a few CB nuts on the CB AM band about 15 years ago and they all said that 5/8 wave ant was better than the 1/2 wave ant. I wanted to know when they where talking about the 5/8 ant was there a 5/8 AM ant or was there all ways just only a 5/8 FM ant.? I have not been on the garbage band for a long time. Back in the late 60's through the 70's my parents took the garbage very serious!!! Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Dec 17 07:14:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74719 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 15:14:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 15:14:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.172) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 15:14:25 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c7d.1c699c12 (42805) for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:10:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:10:42 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=d6eqRw8r0C141b8DKyk2eSutTVoP7-niyzJKqKkRDy_rC9O3t1PTsWd76bxVWzo2 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim, A 5/8 wave vertical radiator over ground plane produces the greatest ground level field intensity. However, few, if any, AM broadcast stations use 5/8 wave towers. Most local and regional stations use 1/4 wave towers, with the clear channel Class I and II stations using 1/2 wave towers. The problem with 5/8 wave towers is they have a significant high angle secondary vertical lobe due to the current distribution in the tower. At night, that causes a close-in skywave return which interferes with the fringe groundwave coverage. The ideal tower is a 1/2 wave Franklin, especially where the local ground conditions are poor. These are rare. The problem with Franklin is the height required at the lower end of the band, structural considerations because of the center insulator, and the centerfeed arrangement is somewhat involved. A good candidate for a Franklin would be WLS in Chicago. Despite its robust ground system, conditions have deteriorated in Tinsley Park which are believed due to housing development in the area. A Franklin, while quite tall at 890 khz, wouldn't be as effected as the present antenna system. Also, ground level site field intensity would be greatly reduced which is a consideration with development occurring in the area. Of course with WLS's present program line-up it would be a waste. In my opinion, Rush, Hannity, and the boyz should be limited to 100mW stations with 10 ft. antennas limited to daytime operation. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Dec 17 07:48:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29412 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 15:48:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 15:48:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 15:48:06 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d0d.21ba5b16 (42805) for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:47:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:47:28 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RADIO: NO HELP AT ALL! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=-MHhK0uKL_GFAMYPdxRfNdoPj1zwE1sp1qj-SUIa0H9lq7ZnQmXMIloJTSz9I5NE X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with you completely. The problem is that for the past 25 or so years, the public interest has given way to corporate interest. Station management answers to the shareholders, not the public whose interest they are licensed to serve. Radio has always been about money, but there were boundaries. The goal used to be to make as much money as possible within those boundaries. Deregulation and a blind eye at the FCC removed the boundaries. Now it is make as much money as possible by whatever means. Maximum profits are achieved when expenses are minimized. Satellite feed is cheap compare to live local programming, especially quality programming. Owners don't want a radio station, they want a money making machine that hopefully runs itself. Then all one needs is sales and management which has been the wet-dream of both since KDKA signed on the air. There is far too little diversity either in ownership or programming. The AM clear channel protection rules were relaxed under the guise that smaller stations wanted to provide more local coverage to serve their communities. Once they got nightime authorization, what were they broadcasting? Rush, Hannity, etc. just like the big stations. They didn't want to serve their communities. They just wanted more airtime to sell for their own interests. Up until the early 1950s, most radio, especially the high power long reach stations, were network, Mutual, NBC, CBS, and ABC. The return of local independent programming came about mostly as the result of Todd Storz, the father of the Top 40 format. Storz believed in making money for certain (most Storz stations had a second cleaning crew just to sweep the dollars off the floor so there would be a space to walk), but he believed in much more which showed through in the Storz stations. Each had its own distinct identity and were assets to the communities they served. Don't expect any satelite feed of your local weather or for the automation system to generated local emergency information you might need. Where's the money in that? Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 17 07:48:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13396 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 15:48:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 15:48:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.158) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 15:48:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82734 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2007 15:48:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4gFAH1YVM1muUm8Hcd.7TeD.DFjLux8vCGct2r1EvewK1jm8Lc0wGQA9bttgvmpCJSuPxIRI7g5T9c8j4fvbMIVnQU2wJ_iIg3rWatO4_7yJQaY- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:48:13 PST Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:48:13 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <127927.82285.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: RADIO: NO HELP AT ALL! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=OcIi4XGkSvzLFlLRmf640us_DoseC5bw82PmrEyF1uj0tz4vyHnR0xo X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Bob, WDEV - you are a "good guy" - and I wish our radioland here was as good as yours. I think that the public has migrated a wee bit more towards TV for their news - BUT - like you pointed out, when the juice goes out, I'm using my battery supply on the radio, not on a few minutes of TV viewing! Happy Holidays! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Dec 17 07:59:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7355 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 15:59:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 15:59:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 15:59:07 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c94.20a49170 (42805) for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:58:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:58:50 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RADIO: NO HELP AT ALL! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=1Z99pNBQZ61TEZh63-xemmZGJR-HABj6oI6QaAHP9Q-5EFjR2ONXjtq2t8MoU9hU X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob, I second that you're one of the every dwinding number of good guys. You're the Ben and Jerry of broadcasting. If Ben and Jerry just wanted to make the most money, they would have made their ice cream cheap like everyone else and no one would have heard of them. Keep up the good work and hold that torch high. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Dec 17 08:05:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60962 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 16:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 16:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.186) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 16:05:29 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g11so1741205rvb.25 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:05:27 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.133.16 with SMTP id g16mr4063398rvd.231.1197907527740; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:05:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h7sm14485962roe.2007.12.17.08.05.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:05:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47669E2D.6050308@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:05:01 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amradiodx@yahoogroups.com References: <000a01c840a3$c84d1180$20a4fea9@jimsmith> In-Reply-To: <000a01c840a3$c84d1180$20a4fea9@jimsmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Kewl Music Video! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=DpAQa1mTzAvIlm1a1BwJfFLWfHgZvu8h8XGWUaQA5TeJZJti9gZPSWCpKxgXjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Here is a KEWL Music Video about radio! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V9Qkd3dElw Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 17 08:20:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5072 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 16:20:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 16:20:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.205) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 16:20:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 33825 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2007 16:20:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: sZgWjZcVM1ndWhh6PsBzZBpglrD245K.Xq2SZYc2HavNp4e9bfSUJf9MRcjMdsJBGy6mSjbBQKADaBZvtQESDu4eNC5AH5vzELal9V3dWdhz1cLShx8- X-Received: from [24.192.189.76] by web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:20:31 PST Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:20:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000601c84062$b01b7020$50f63e47@joeandlynn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <796410.32978.qm@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} RADIO: NO HELP AT ALL! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=iVqxwJ8d0M1kG0L8m20fxcYfZD3wKcW33lHJ6p3ONeR48g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Oh boy, Joe! You've really struck a raw nerve, and a resonant one at that! While, to be fair, I must say there are still a few (very few) stations that feel the responsibility to the audience, most have found live talent and self-originated programming to cut too deeply into their profits. Let's face it...the job of a broadcaster is to deliver US, the audience, to the advertiser, and to hell with anything else, especially if it cost any money. There are actually stations out there with NOBODY (and maybe no microphone) in the building at times, they just let the automation do it all. I remember more than once a station around here having the same jingle play over and over for over an hour, before somebody finally got there and fixed it. It seems that these stations have forgotten a very important fact... THE LISTENER IS THE BOSS!!! No audience, no sponsors! Station owners of old (Powell Crosley of WLW is a great example) knew this, and look at the success they achieved! Stations invested heavily in talent and technology, and reaped big rewards for doing so. If the day comes when stations stop trying to be automated cash cows, and rather become trusted public utilities that respect the privilege of the license they have been given TO SERVE THE PUBLIC INTEREST, then maybe radio will have a chance against TVs, iPODS, etc.. Until then, there ARE ways to fight back! Call any station that you don't like, and tell them you are making a list of their sponsors, and that you will be contacting those sponsors to inform them that you will no longer buy their products or services until (a) the station cleans up their act, or (b) that sponsor moves his advertising to a more listener-responsive station. If the giants like ClearChannel (joke of a name, ain't it?) start thinking that they no longer have an audience to deliver to the sponsors, you can bet they will fall all over themselves to fix things! Money talks! In the mean time, small operators of small LP stations can set an example, by doing things for our own community, our own listeners, filling that local service niche that the big guys can't/won't. If you get 20 people to listen to a 1/10 watt station, that's 200 people per watt, or like having 10 million people listening to one 50 kWer...that kind of efficiency would make ClearChannel drool! Recently, the Fermi power plant near Detroit was found to have been "tampered with", having holes drilled in a cooling system pipe. How did I find out about it? From CKLW, just hours after it happened. No mention on any Detroit AM, FM, or TV station! That is pretty sad, when I have to tune in a Canadian station to find out what is going on in my own back yard in the US! Enough is enough! If we get off our duffs, make a fuss, and hold both the automated cash cows and the sorry excuse of a government agency that licenses them (or should I say protects them) accountable for serving those who buy their sponsor's products, I really believe we CAN turn radio around. Question is, WILL WE? Sorry, my passion for radio seems to be more alive than the medium iteself... George --- Joe Collins wrote: > Last night we had an ice storm. The power goes out > and I bust out the candles and a portable radio… We > listen all night and find absolutely no local > content about the storm. Nothing. There was not > one single local voice on the air. I didn’t even > hear any voice tracks. Syndication and ‘segue > serenade’ was the only programming available. Even > the so called news station had nothing to say…. I > was told this was a major power outage when I called > the power company. I was told power was out all > over our area and they had no clue when it would > come back on. From the radio, nothing. Nadda. Zip. > Zero. > > > > What is it they always tell you? Make sure you have > a radio and batteries in case of an emergency? The > government has been drumming that into our heads for > years. Well, maybe they should start pointing out > that it won’t do you any good at unless the > emergency happens to be a hurricane or blizzard or > some other predictable event. God help you if there > is an earthquake, toxic train derailment or > terrorists set off a dirty bomb and it happens to be > after 7 pm on a Saturday night. There won’t be > anybody on the air to tell you shit about it. > > > > What a sad state we’re in when serving the Public > Interest only applies if it happens to be a weekday > between 6 am and 6 pm. How far we have come from > when I started. From day one of my training I was > told how important it was to watch the newswire, > know how to use the EBS equipment and who to call to > find out what the hell was going on if something > happened. Every station had generators, an > emergency procedure book in the studio and a list of > important phone number to call; the power company, > city government’s emergency numbers, state and local > police, schools and so on… Today, no generators – > too expensive. EAS, if it works at all, only sends > out a message once and that\s it. No jock on duty > to follow up and give a report on the status of an > event as it unfolds – once again, too expensive. > Even if there is someone on the air, they probably > have not been trained in any emergency procedures. > Most managers don’t know either and they have never > been taught to care. > > > > Go ahead; blame new technology and more choices in > media for the decline in radio. Go on…. But, don’t > you forget that no one outside our industry can be > blamed for dropping the ball when it comes to > disaster preparedness. We did that. The one thing > we can do better than anybody else and we ignore it > because of complacency, slash-and-burn budgeting and > a general apathy toward why we’re here in the first > place. Call me idealistic and old-fashioned if you > want to but I was always taught that part of being a > good steward of the air-waves was asking the > question ‘what if?’ and planning what to do if it > does. It really burns my ass that the answer to > ‘what if?’ has become ‘so what?’! > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Dec 17 08:56:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65144 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 16:56:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 16:56:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.178) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 16:56:56 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so3657451pyb.16 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:56:56 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.30.8 with SMTP id h8mr1954544pyj.55.1197910616032; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:56:56 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:56:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80712170856h7579f6e1g7d95820a8638bad5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:56:55 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <796410.32978.qm@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000601c84062$b01b7020$50f63e47@joeandlynn> <796410.32978.qm@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} RADIO: NO HELP AT ALL! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=3hKsdD8NbsuEIhk2lmcJtUP9xPKMF6P4YwZn-sQlooGUu1yPXF-QKeFz X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is someone in this building 24/7 (even though we're only a daytimer..;=3D) ).. and we are 99 percent automated simply for the fact tha= t I, idividually, can only be on the air a few hours a day and George hasn't learned what to do on the air yet. Paul On Dec 17, 2007 11:20 AM, george russell wrote: > Oh boy, Joe! You've really struck a raw nerve, and a > resonant one at that! > > While, to be fair, I must say there are still a few > (very few) stations that feel the responsibility to > the audience, most have found live talent and > self-originated programming to cut too deeply into > their profits. > > Let's face it...the job of a broadcaster is to deliver > US, the audience, to the advertiser, and to hell with > anything else, especially if it cost any money. > > There are actually stations out there with NOBODY (and > maybe no microphone) in the building at times, they > just let the automation do it all. I remember more > than once a station around here having the same jingle > play over and over for over an hour, before somebody > finally got there and fixed it. > > It seems that these stations have forgotten a very > important fact... > THE LISTENER IS THE BOSS!!! No audience, no sponsors! > > Station owners of old (Powell Crosley of WLW is a > great example) knew this, and look at the success they > achieved! Stations invested heavily in talent and > technology, and reaped big rewards for doing so. > > If the day comes when stations stop trying to be > automated cash cows, > and rather become trusted public utilities that > respect the privilege of the license they have been > given TO SERVE THE PUBLIC INTEREST, > then maybe radio will have a chance against TVs, > iPODS, etc.. > > Until then, there ARE ways to fight back! > > Call any station that you don't like, and tell them > you are making a list of their sponsors, and that you > will be contacting those sponsors to inform them that > you will no longer buy their products or services > until > (a) the station cleans up their act, or (b) that > sponsor moves his advertising to a more > listener-responsive station. > > If the giants like ClearChannel (joke of a name, ain't > it?) start thinking that they no longer have an > audience to deliver to the sponsors, you can bet they > will fall all over themselves to fix things! Money > talks! > > In the mean time, small operators of small LP stations > can set an example, by doing things for our own > community, our own listeners, > filling that local service niche that the big guys > can't/won't. > > If you get 20 people to listen to a 1/10 watt station, > that's 200 people per watt, or like having 10 million > people listening to one 50 kWer...that kind of > efficiency would make ClearChannel drool! > > Recently, the Fermi power plant near Detroit was found > to have been "tampered with", having holes drilled in > a cooling system pipe. How did I find out about it? > From CKLW, just hours after it happened. No mention > on any Detroit AM, FM, or TV station! That is pretty > sad, when I have to tune in a Canadian station to find > out what is going on in my own back yard in the US! > > Enough is enough! If we get off our duffs, make a > fuss, and hold both the automated cash cows and the > sorry excuse of a government agency that licenses them > (or should I say protects them) accountable for > serving those who buy their sponsor's products, I > really believe we CAN turn radio around. > > Question is, WILL WE? > > Sorry, my passion for radio seems to be more alive > than the medium iteself... > > George > > > --- Joe Collins > wrote= : > > > Last night we had an ice storm. The power goes out > > and I bust out the candles and a portable radio=85 We > > listen all night and find absolutely no local > > content about the storm. Nothing. There was not > > one single local voice on the air. I didn't even > > hear any voice tracks. Syndication and 'segue > > serenade' was the only programming available. Even > > the so called news station had nothing to say=85. I > > was told this was a major power outage when I called > > the power company. I was told power was out all > > over our area and they had no clue when it would > > come back on. From the radio, nothing. Nadda. Zip. > > Zero. > > > > > > > > What is it they always tell you? Make sure you have > > a radio and batteries in case of an emergency? The > > government has been drumming that into our heads for > > years. Well, maybe they should start pointing out > > that it won't do you any good at unless the > > emergency happens to be a hurricane or blizzard or > > some other predictable event. God help you if there > > is an earthquake, toxic train derailment or > > terrorists set off a dirty bomb and it happens to be > > after 7 pm on a Saturday night. There won't be > > anybody on the air to tell you shit about it. > > > > > > > > What a sad state we're in when serving the Public > > Interest only applies if it happens to be a weekday > > between 6 am and 6 pm. How far we have come from > > when I started. From day one of my training I was > > told how important it was to watch the newswire, > > know how to use the EBS equipment and who to call to > > find out what the hell was going on if something > > happened. Every station had generators, an > > emergency procedure book in the studio and a list of > > important phone number to call; the power company, > > city government's emergency numbers, state and local > > police, schools and so on=85 Today, no generators =96 > > too expensive. EAS, if it works at all, only sends > > out a message once and that\s it. No jock on duty > > to follow up and give a report on the status of an > > event as it unfolds =96 once again, too expensive. > > Even if there is someone on the air, they probably > > have not been trained in any emergency procedures. > > Most managers don't know either and they have never > > been taught to care. > > > > > > > > Go ahead; blame new technology and more choices in > > media for the decline in radio. Go on=85. But, don't > > you forget that no one outside our industry can be > > blamed for dropping the ball when it comes to > > disaster preparedness. We did that. The one thing > > we can do better than anybody else and we ignore it > > because of complacency, slash-and-burn budgeting and > > a general apathy toward why we're here in the first > > place. Call me idealistic and old-fashioned if you > > want to but I was always taught that part of being a > > good steward of the air-waves was asking the > > question 'what if?' and planning what to do if it > > does. It really burns my ass that the answer to > > 'what if?' has become 'so what?'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > >=20 > --=20 Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Dec 17 09:00:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17793 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 17:00:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 17:00:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.181) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 17:00:28 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u52so4719726pyb.1 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:00:24 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.26.14 with SMTP id d14mr3704834pyj.8.1197910822266; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:00:22 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:00:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80712170900k721f0bfcq29330bb2547b73a1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:00:22 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=tv7tMWXI1rc-pnWrEXg3fZNCd_3U5XYQHwyRikmOMImkL1Dh9u-uO-if X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WCRS-AM 1450 in Greenwood, MS has a 5/8 wave antenna. And you think, because YOU don't like their program lineup, you think the programs should be on a teeny tiny signal? I like how people often think a program or programs should be on a less then stellar signal just because THEY don't like it. If it wasn't working for WLS< it wouldn't be on there.. but it's obvious it works for them, so it's good they doin't depend on you as program director. Paul Walker On Dec 17, 2007 10:10 AM, wrote: > A good candidate for a Franklin would be WLS in Chicago. Despite its > robust > ground system, conditions have deteriorated in Tinsley Park which are > believed > due to housing development in the area. A Franklin, while quite tall at > 890 > khz, wouldn't be as effected as the present antenna system. Also, ground > level site field intensity would be greatly reduced which is a > consideration with > development occurring in the area. > > Of course with WLS's present program line-up it would be a waste. In my > opinion, Rush, Hannity, and the boyz should be limited to 100mW stations > with 10 > ft. antennas limited to daytime operation. > > Mike > . > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Dec 17 09:05:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29493 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 17:05:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 17:05:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.179) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 17:05:57 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so5638118pyi.13 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:05:56 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.131.13 with SMTP id i13mr8084800pyn.50.1197911156616; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:05:56 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a70sm19061458pye.2007.12.17.09.05.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:05:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4766AC73.60405@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:05:55 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <8bce0fe80712170900k721f0bfcq29330bb2547b73a1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80712170900k721f0bfcq29330bb2547b73a1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=yiBisO_AJ-XUEHMirWyAf5NzbPvQQbrA1X9BmPG9DKFdETb6voovU1l6q-cokg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > WCRS-AM 1450 in Greenwood, MS has a 5/8 wave antenna. When did WCRS move from Greenwood, SC to Greenwood, MS? Kevin From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Dec 17 09:08:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59473 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 17:08:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 17:08:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.170.187) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 17:08:01 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s28so291727rnb.11 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:08:01 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.198.14 with SMTP id v14mr2471319ybf.134.1197911281136; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:08:01 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:08:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80712170908k5616cec4y5a0557fc1302a6ca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:08:01 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4766AC73.60405@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80712170900k721f0bfcq29330bb2547b73a1@mail.gmail.com> <4766AC73.60405@gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=A6QOimjUVUV3SG4rxAU0p1BJEpjxbIWWoiQdUW8OiNjpGWwvx8KuKg7c X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Woops, slip of the finger..... LOL.................. I was talking to a friend about Greenville and Greenwood, MS radio just a few minutes ago.. Sorry ;=) Paul On Dec 17, 2007 12:05 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > > WCRS-AM 1450 in Greenwood, MS has a 5/8 wave antenna. > > When did WCRS move from Greenwood, SC to Greenwood, MS? > > Kevin > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Dec 17 09:17:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97130 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 17:17:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 17:17:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.183) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 17:17:45 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so5416390pyc.4 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:17:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.98.3 with SMTP id a3mr4460952pym.22.1197911861650; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:17:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n45sm18156146pyh.2007.12.17.09.17.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:17:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4766AF2C.8010901@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:17:32 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <8bce0fe80712170900k721f0bfcq29330bb2547b73a1@mail.gmail.com> <4766AC73.60405@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80712170908k5616cec4y5a0557fc1302a6ca@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80712170908k5616cec4y5a0557fc1302a6ca@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=P2aPN94edEX2t1rjtDzPW1TW2lvA5ViSoK54ToDIN13vNI5SJoSoyLqXzG3YEg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > Woops, slip of the finger..... LOL.................. I was talking to a friend about Greenville and Greenwood, MS radio just a few minutes ago. LOL Kevin From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Dec 17 10:00:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54924 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 18:00:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 18:00:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 18:00:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2007 18:00:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2007 18:00:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:00:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.149.16.45 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: RADIO: NO HELP AT ALL! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=uUIGFBuRQCcJcYwYJIVNTaNb4hRzo6eLzQCWKlc3m6oW4AU X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane I was blessed to work for Storz. As a matter of fact, I was the last=20 on air person to ever work for Storz. I was the last one left at the=20 last station they had (WQAM) before it was sold. I remember the day=20 like it was yesterday. I was excited because I was doing PM drive.=20 The entire staff walked out because the new owners we not keeping=20 anyone, but I figured it was historic. It beat working 7-11 pm :-) Juan Ft. Pierce --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I agree with you completely. >=20 > The problem is that for the past 25 or so years, the public=20 interest has=20 > given way to corporate interest. Station management answers to=20 the shareholders,=20 > not the public whose interest they are licensed to serve. >=20 > Radio has always been about money, but there were boundaries. The=20 goal used=20 > to be to make as much money as possible within those boundaries.=20=20 Deregulation=20 > and a blind eye at the FCC removed the boundaries. Now it is make=20 as much=20 > money as possible by whatever means. >=20 > Maximum profits are achieved when expenses are minimized.=20=20 Satellite feed is=20 > cheap compare to live local programming, especially quality=20 programming.=20=20 > Owners don't want a radio station, they want a money making=20 machine that hopefully=20 > runs itself. Then all one needs is sales and management which has=20 been the=20 > wet-dream of both since KDKA signed on the air. >=20 > There is far too little diversity either in ownership or=20 programming. The AM=20 > clear channel protection rules were relaxed under the guise that=20 smaller=20 > stations wanted to provide more local coverage to serve their=20 communities. Once=20 > they got nightime authorization, what were they broadcasting?=20=20 Rush, Hannity,=20 > etc. just like the big stations. They didn't want to serve their=20 communities.=20=20 > They just wanted more airtime to sell for their own interests. >=20 > Up until the early 1950s, most radio, especially the high power=20 long reach=20 > stations, were network, Mutual, NBC, CBS, and ABC. The return of=20 local=20 > independent programming came about mostly as the result of Todd=20 Storz, the father of=20 > the Top 40 > format. Storz believed in making money for certain (most Storz=20 stations had=20 > a second cleaning crew just to sweep the dollars off the floor so=20 there would=20 > be a space to walk), but he believed in much more which showed=20 through in the=20 > Storz stations. Each had its own distinct identity and were=20 assets to the=20 > communities they served. >=20 > Don't expect any satelite feed of your local weather or for the=20 automation=20 > system to generated local emergency information you might need.=20=20 Where's the=20 > money in that? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************************************** > See AOL's top rated recipes=20 > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000004) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon Dec 17 10:55:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3060 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 18:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 18:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n48d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.174) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 18:55:56 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2007 18:55:56 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2007 18:55:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2007 18:55:56 -0000 Date: 17 Dec 2007 18:55:53 -0000 Message-ID: <1197917753.5629.6772.w107@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /AM CQUAM Transmitter Part15 DDS based/ASMAX1_Review.pdf Uploaded by : toledohamradio Description : Review of ASPiSYS ASMAX1 C-Quam Transmitter by K8DAD You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/AM%20CQUAM%20Transmitter%20Part15%20DDS%20based/ASMAX1_Review.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, toledohamradio From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 17 11:00:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73513 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 19:00:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 19:00:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.162) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 19:00:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34623 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2007 19:00:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Lg2pI_AVM1nDSU8_vqa3UZPqcFavN79abQpy0UcOFwyqeWgdZ1RPdZHZujJV2ioBm8RX4oyUjw-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:00:24 PST Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:00:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80712170900k721f0bfcq29330bb2547b73a1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <993497.33510.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Vbi--NgIQmusldcVBWLW0tK8i4x7lZmLgwS4AY9ij7g X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > WCRS-AM 1450 in Greenwood, MS has a 5/8 wave > antenna. That's Greenwood, SC > And you think, because YOU don't like their program > lineup, you think the > programs should be on a teeny tiny signal? I like > how people often think a > program or programs should be on a less then stellar > signal just because > THEY don't like it. If it wasn't working for WLS > it wouldn't be on there.. > but it's obvious it works for them, so it's good > they doin't depend on you as program director. That's for sure. The hard core left can't STAND that conservative talk radio thrives while AIR AMERICA went under. When you base it totally on hate conservatives and funded by politics and poor broadcasting techniques it's bound to fail. And hard core liberals, while wagging the body of the Democratic Party, are a minority. So they are (as we speak) are looking for ways to silence the opposition. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 17 11:00:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57836 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 19:00:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 19:00:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.163) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 19:00:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29467 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2007 19:00:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _QfUBWIVM1k67bGDPUUbdsns9WWiUHgZGSLUDXyFJ7rwJMNnl_O2gzDE8Ovikur9QdJkh08e1A-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:00:59 PST Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:00:59 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4766AC73.60405@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <118929.28600.qm@web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=iJ9u9_kyTKVhzKP4qtzXnCovrtznRWpdj2H7iZldgCA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > > WCRS-AM 1450 in Greenwood, MS has a 5/8 wave > antenna. > > When did WCRS move from Greenwood, SC to Greenwood, > MS? I would have felt THAT earthquake.... ]:) Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 17 11:01:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99690 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 19:01:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 19:01:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.190) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 19:01:12 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2007 19:01:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2007 19:01:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2007 19:01:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:01:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "Johnny Electron" Subject: Review of ASPiSYS CQUAM Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ElN2SZRprOd5pxgEZPkHFSKp173wanBwQ5jPQ2hPx-2P1rkCo6M-0xo X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hello Everyone, I did an analysis of the ASPiSYS AM Stereo C-Quam transmitter, and=20 I've posted my review on our files section. (Currently using it to=20 retransmit Christmas music in the house).=20 Season's Greetings! John From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Dec 17 12:04:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34305 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2007 20:04:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2007 20:04:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s33.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.105) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2007 20:04:37 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.92]) by bay0-omc1-s33.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:02:36 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:02:36 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV20.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:02:31 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:02:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2007 20:02:36.0431 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4DA19F0:01C840E7] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: wtt: CRL SMP-900 to ASPiSYS AM Stereo C-Quam transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=KjWTsN-D63nxHZYQdOI1gB-UW8LEB9lZeGtHKDNpA-aL X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I have a CRL SMP-900 AM Stereo NRSC, Asymetrical Limiter. It requires recalibration. I'd like to swap it to an ASPiSYS AM Stereo C-Quam transmitter. Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree From badeditpro@comcast.net Mon Dec 17 16:15:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48245 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 00:15:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2007 00:15:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.62.56) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 00:15:11 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RzdF1Y00H0bG4ec0503l00; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:15:10 +0000 X-Received: from joeandlynn ([71.62.246.80]) by OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id S0FA1Y00C1koVkf3P00000; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:15:10 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=iPBENlmIvmKd-kIdi2QA:9 a=lldUv436-LObBFLMDz0A:7 a=esBLq8TMsRIPzMd8dSDCAZ8PTOoA:4 a=shE9WCRXG_MA:10 a=kmn7Jx9RfvCab3iapZ8A:9 a=ahXubVHABX_afQJ7mNUA:7 a=-eAs9K_Yf9YoAwd5p6mBwPZjaX0A:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Message-ID: <001501c8410b$14376700$50f63e47@joeandlynn> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:15:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 76.96.62.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Re: RADIO: NO HELP AT ALL! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=294947950; y=XFLnVO-GKZd0A60Da6ykJHF_liQi6jOn6nUjdPw7B6N7jQVl_m4oFw7ha5gu X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Sorry, my passion for radio seems to be more alive than the medium iteself... George" How true!... I find myself feeling the same way. You made some very interesting points about the state of radio. One comment: In many cases it is not necessary to complain to advertisers. They are backing out all over the place when they hear things like you described. Corporate radio refuses to see it, though. They blame the poor guys who are trying to make it work with next to nothing or the sales people for not maintaining their accounts. In general. the powers that be have there heads stuck in the sand and don't want to hear it. There have been some encouraging changes lately, like Dan Mason taking over at CBS Radio. That's why WCBS-FM is back on in NYC.... He gets it. I just hope that he can show enough results to keep the bean counters happy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 17 17:22:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45608 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 01:22:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2007 01:22:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 01:22:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82536 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2007 01:22:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YcF__hEVM1kcz3jDWuiSYIz5v4U0AiEpK._HWljwlTMvmddkPz_jWautIL1UgrAYumMVJH4hqRxzWJHZdzuzZPA.RuzPnbAVBwSPc2VEOaCGQ.zLf8mbuwRPNPoMPQ-- X-Received: from [24.192.189.76] by web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:22:20 PST Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:22:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001501c8410b$14376700$50f63e47@joeandlynn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <867942.82201.qm@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RADIO: NO HELP AT ALL! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Qro6qlfdsDE1bQ6_nxbEk4YGCsVoxux9uYtFMt459hj-fw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Good point, and I actually DO share some of your optimism...we shall see! A few months ago, a small day-timer here in Michigan was off the air and up for sale, and I was talking with a guy who was close to some possible buyers. He asked me "If you bought this small station, what would you do to make it a success?" I told him to do the following: 1, reach out to the listeners in the area it serves, and ask THEM what would get them to listen, what kind of format, music, news coverage, etc. Make it clear that you intend to make it THEIR station, and to make it a valuable part of their everyday life. 2, Spread the word through mailings, public gatherings, promotions, ANY thing to get them interested. 3, get the listeners involved! Hire talent from the coverage area, ask listeners for recommendations for hiring. 4, make it clear to sponsors that you are part of the buying community, and seek advertisers who target your area and it's interests. 5, as much as possible, make all programming live and relevant to the area. 6. cover local sporting events, celebrations, town meetings, ANYTHING with human interest that relates to the area. 7. once on the air and going at it full throttle, NEVER rest on your laurels! Seek listener feedback constantly! Hold events, such as a picnic frequently, and invite listener involvement. Offer station tours, and make it clear that it is THEIR station, with easy access to them. People are very inclined to listen to something they feel interested and INVOLVED in. Years ago, Ruth Lyons on WLW had a waiting list of three years to get sponsors on her show. Why? People believed her, and they loved her because she reached out and touched their lives by being an ordinary person that they could relate to. If you get a person on radio that feels more like a welcome guest in your home, it is pretty hard to resist. And you do that by being a REAL human being, showing interest in the things that interest your listeners, and telling the truth. On a recent trip to Cincinnati, I caught several minutes of XERF, the legendary border station that launched Wolfman Jack. I asked a friend, who speaks Spanish to listen and tell me what earth-shaking world event they were covering. After a minute, he just smiled and said "they are giving birthday greetings to people on both sides of the Rio Grande" If this big 100 kW. monster can have a human touch like that, they could sell me a lot more than CC stations ever will! OK, I've preached too long...keep the faith! AM ain't dead yet! George --- Joe Collins wrote: > "Sorry, my passion for radio seems to be more alive > than the medium iteself... > > George" > > > How true!... I find myself feeling the same way. > You made some very interesting points about the > state of radio. One comment: In many cases it is > not necessary to complain to advertisers. They are > backing out all over the place when they hear things > like you described. Corporate radio refuses to see > it, though. They blame the poor guys who are trying > to make it work with next to nothing or the sales > people for not maintaining their accounts. In > general. the powers that be have there heads stuck > in the sand and don't want to hear it. There have > been some encouraging changes lately, like Dan Mason > taking over at CBS Radio. That's why WCBS-FM is > back on in NYC.... He gets it. I just hope that he > can show enough results to keep the bean counters > happy. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Dec 17 19:46:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60835 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 03:46:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2007 03:46:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 03:46:55 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c24.29a65d73 (39954) for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:46:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:46:27 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RADIO: NO HELP AT ALL! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=6Rn_3077C3z9lXPppWm27VUbin-_FLMH_8oO8b6b2szu6jB-ywwOEBrs4XSFVqdE X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, It's good to hear from a graduate of Stortz "College". While Todd Storz was a true genius with imagination and vision, his brother Robert was more the businessman who would have been more at home in the family's beer business in Omaha than radio. Todd Storz's true gift was an eye for talent, both on and off the air. He left behind a legacy of people in place to continue his vision after his death. The Storz formula was based on local programming built around strong on-air personalities, a robust in-house news department, and community involvement. I cannot image the budget it would take to implement that strategy today. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Dec 17 20:45:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49827 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 04:45:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2007 04:45:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 04:45:40 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c9f.1eed1b1d (39954) for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:45:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:45:31 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=XQ4TlUHfwD0sRw0VfOOKrLzjRmO66TcVvQJoglclRsgrkwNsu6yVKxDL0rK7tZvx X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul, Regardless of my programming expertise, which I have none, my occassional problem drinking would disqualify me as program director material at a station like WLS. I would have to work it up to full-blow alcoholism to even be considered. I would take Larry Lujack over Rush Limbaugh any day of the week, which explains why I don't program the Worlds Largest Station. Does any remember a strange old movie called "Brazil" about a police state of the future where the same tune played at every point on the radio dial? Just run the AM dial at night and could how many spots you get Rush, Hannity, Beck, Bortz, Savage, Ingram, OReilly,etc., all with the same message. When saying all right wing water carriers should be on LPAM I was being generous. Actually, I'd just bring back the Fairness Doctrine. As for WCRS, their file indicates they have 187.9 degree tower, just a smidge (an engineering term) over a 180 degree 1/2 wave and far short of a 225 degree 5/8 wave. With 1kW of power and limited protection on 1450, the close-in skywave return wouldn't be much of an issue even if they did have a 5/8ths. Are they using a tower that used to belong to another station? KMOX here is St. Louis has a slightly greater than 1/2 wave tower (190 deg). It was a hand-me-down. Just be way of comparison, compare WCRS's halfwave plus with WHO's modified Franklin. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Dec 17 21:08:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8732 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 05:08:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2007 05:08:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.251) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 05:08:39 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so640905anc.49 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:08:38 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.252.16 with SMTP id z16mr7175714anh.93.1197954518740; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:08:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h5sm15391435roe.2007.12.17.21.08.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:08:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <476755B0.9090605@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:08:00 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.251 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=hEswaz2hnbk6E_vv_CVyYw-OYeLo8WccPAwuDof75eEaeuAumzsrsFLVR3U2kA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > When saying all right wing water carriers should be on LPAM I was being generous. Actually, I'd just bring back the Fairness Doctrine. > That would shut a BUNCH of them up. But, it would also make a bunch of stations go silent. > As for WCRS, their file indicates they have 187.9 degree tower, Are they using a tower that used to belong to another station? No, but they did share the same tower with WCRS-FM that was sold to Cheap Channel then re-located. It is now WBZT-FM Mauldin, SC. > KMOX here is St. Louis has a slightly greater than 1/2 wave tower (190 deg). It was a hand-me-down. > Who used to be on that stick? > Just be way of comparison, compare WCRS's halfwave plus with WHO's modified Franklin. I have never seen it in person, but it sure is LOUD down here in Northern Missoouri. Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Dec 17 21:27:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13781 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 05:27:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2007 05:27:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.136.170) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 05:27:43 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c79.23371282 (65100) for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:12:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:12:08 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RADIO: NO HELP AT ALL! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=nALWnRIZMTQem--C44jx8tBXwCOa6z4DZ8AawSGxalyv40hnE3rvCsPkO2LG3JEr X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/17/07 6:15:40 PM Central Standard Time, badeditpro@comcast.net writes: > "Sorry, my passion for radio seems to be more alive > than the medium iteself... > > George I prefer to think of it as a sleeping giant. In 1950, with the advent of television, everyone was dressed to attend radio's funeral because conventional wisdom held it was dead. As radio existed up until that time, it was. The radio dramas and national shows like Fibber McGee and Molly, Jack Benny, etc. were to become just a memory. It took a Todd Storz to reinvent the medium in the 50s and 60s in a way no one envisioned. The same will happen again. At least, I hope so. Remember, the Top 40 wave did start at some great flagship station WCBS, WNBC, or WABC in New York. It started at a 500 watt daytimer in Omaha. Truly revolutionary ideas often come from unexpected places. Mike Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Dec 17 21:41:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70768 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 05:41:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2007 05:41:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 05:41:43 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c17.27f4b5b3 (39330) for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:41:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:41:26 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=sf4W9mdQitsfPQPxy9eDCDIslh3nImlSqRmN7PmAuPZSHgXPiSeITd0CF_ZswffT X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, KMOX is using part of WBBM's old tower. The odd-ball tower length was due to structural engineering considerations. Both WCRS and WHO are nondirectional. If you look at their respective field intensities, WHO's modified Franklin is alot stronger than an ordinary halfwave or 5/8 wave antenna. What brought WHO to mind, aside from their Franklin, was its public service. Farmers throughout the entire Midwest can rely on WHO for farm commodities prices and the weather. I imagine WHO is pretty hot where you're at. How does KMOX (1120) come in? KCMO (710)? KCMO and WHB switched frequencies. I assume KCMO kept WHB's power and pattern. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Dec 17 22:00:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84378 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 06:00:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2007 06:00:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.248) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 06:00:06 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b36so1241716ana.101 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:00:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.205.9 with SMTP id c9mr16626972ang.17.1197957602818; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:00:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a16sm15448497rof.2007.12.17.21.59.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:00:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <476761E0.5050802@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:00:00 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=5-felQ_A1ol9ySNbu5bdd1MdFNK26RhDTm_w57jBJuXEtlKuKPZgq3t0-Rx6-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > KMOX is using part of WBBM's old tower. The odd-ball tower length was due to structural engineering considerations. > Very interesting. > WHO's modified Franklin is alot stronger than an ordinary halfwave or 5/8 wave antenna. > Sounds like a Franklin would SMOKE on 160 Meters! > I imagine WHO is pretty hot where you're at. Yes, it is a 24/7 signal here. > How does KMOX (1120) come in? > Very strong at Night, nothing in the Day. > KCMO (710)? KCMO and WHB switched frequencies. I assume KCMO kept WHB's power and pattern. Both stations blast in here. Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Dec 18 02:24:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53352 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 10:24:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2007 10:24:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 10:24:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d4a.1b9d10f7 (39329) for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:24:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:24:30 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=T4EU7ZTQKVhWDZlMVg3J_u7KR7IHmuQnKJZ1CRZoOny428EQ-V3mX5vxky6t0QnG X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/18/07 12:00:21 AM Central Standard Time, thepossumhunter@gmail.com writes: > Sounds like a Franklin would SMOKE on 160 Meters! > I can't say about 160 meters, but at 1530 khz, KFBK in Sacramento reaches both Canada and Mexico with a pair of Franklins and 50kW. KFBK has the highest signal strength of any U.S. standard broadcast station. All this, with no ground system! http://www.fybush.com/sites/2005/site-051028.html I have been working on a version of the Franklin for LPAM in the extended broadcast band. With an extremely short conventional monopole, almost all the power goes into ground losses. But what if there wasn't any ground? Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 18 06:30:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1470 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 14:30:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2007 14:30:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.158) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 14:30:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 52923 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2007 14:30:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: u_oCMtAVM1mXP3z8gRe7xyXEVc7jTM8lXfz2.OJjU.lFquABimaKY.SoG2CuNgp3ezrohNG8Rg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.25] by web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:30:11 PST Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:30:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <736222.52103.qm@web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=pBYq-VdJU61JHcCtfCa_ccpydioO2l-WQVIKF3YxKfs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Paul, > > Regardless of my programming expertise, which I have > none, my occassional > problem drinking would disqualify me as program > director material at a station > like WLS. I would have to work it up to full-blow > alcoholism to even be considered. > > I would take Larry Lujack over Rush Limbaugh any day > of the week, which > explains why I don't program the Worlds Largest > Station. And doing so on AM your reign would be in days. > > Does any remember a strange old movie called > "Brazil" about a police state of > the future where the same tune played at every point > on the radio dial? Just > run the AM dial at night and could how many spots > you get Rush, Hannity, > Beck, Bortz, Savage, Ingram, OReilly,etc., all with > the same message. Shows how little you know. I doubt if you'd listened to any of them for any time. I like Boortz. Savage, is anti-war now. > When saying all right wing water carriers should be > on LPAM I was being > generous. Actually, I'd just bring back the > Fairness Doctrine. > > As for WCRS, their file indicates they have 187.9 > degree tower, just a smidge > (an engineering term) over a 180 degree 1/2 wave and > far short of a 225 > degree 5/8 wave. With 1kW of power and limited > protection on 1450, the close-in > skywave return wouldn't be much of an issue even if > they did have a 5/8ths. > Are they using a tower that used to belong to > another station? It's always been theirs. They get out better than the classic 1/4 wave grave yarder. KMOX here is St. > Louis has a slightly greater than 1/2 wave tower > (190 deg). It was a hand-me-down. > > Just be way of comparison, compare WCRS's halfwave > plus with WHO's modified Franklin. WKDK 1240 is full service with music. It makes money. It's always been that way. I expect I have better ratings in Newberry than Rush or Hannity. I'm on during that time period. What the ratings show is we are generally #1 or close to it. But Newberry is a small town of about 10,000. That doesn't generally work in a larger town with multiple stations including FM stations. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 18 06:35:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31590 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 14:35:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2007 14:35:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.159) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 14:35:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 47137 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2007 14:35:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YB0uSpAVM1nqOWswaFahPa6nDLY3wcx7cOR9gNaN X-Received: from [209.213.19.25] by web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:35:16 PST Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:35:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <476755B0.9090605@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <729499.46919.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Ouuh9Ft4vx466a4-7yUIluFn7Japfaih7QxOFcR40sI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > When saying all right wing water carriers should > be on LPAM I was being generous. Actually, I'd just > bring back the Fairness Doctrine. That's what the hard core left want to do. They want to eliminate free speech by bringing back a modified version of the fairness doctrine, which wasn't fair at all. In one city on the west coast, they are trying by having Conservative talk considered as paid political speech ( but not the left wing stuff ) and are trying to put it off the air. > That would shut a BUNCH of them up. But, it would > also make a bunch of stations go silent. It would eliminate a lot of AM stations. > > As for WCRS, their file indicates they have 187.9 > degree tower, Are they using a tower that used > to belong to another station? > No, but they did share the same tower with WCRS-FM > that was sold to > Cheap Channel then re-located. It is now WBZT-FM > Mauldin, SC. WCRS-FM was put atop the WCRS 1450 tower. That antenna is still there, and not being used that I know of. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 18 06:41:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68426 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 14:41:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2007 14:41:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.163) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 14:41:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 62645 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2007 14:41:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ehtWreMVM1kgVgDDTrUQel_QVMi8OpI8tACy4S8u2H2bTvE6sqkQ2q4V9j_UsIIPVWrKWktCWg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.25] by web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:41:44 PST Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:41:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <706335.56974.qm@web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=biiv06kEwT3kokDMrVFCCf7qcom0yJN3LnGfs8lxdPU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Kevin, > > KMOX is using part of WBBM's old tower. The > odd-ball tower length was due to > structural engineering considerations. > > Both WCRS and WHO are nondirectional. If you look > at their respective field > intensities, WHO's modified Franklin is alot > stronger than an ordinary > halfwave or 5/8 wave antenna. > > What brought WHO to mind, aside from their Franklin, > was its public service. > Farmers throughout the entire Midwest can rely on > WHO for farm commodities > prices and the weather. > > I imagine WHO is pretty hot where you're at. How > does KMOX (1120) come in? > KCMO (710)? KCMO and WHB switched frequencies. I > assume KCMO kept WHB's > power and pattern. Let us not forget how GREAT the soil conductivity is out west where those stations are. In Greenwood, the soil conductivity [forget the charts, they are wrong] are measured at probably around 0.1. As a side note WCOS 1400 in Columbia has a 5/8 wave. When Bobby Lambert squeezed it in many decades ago, it was a very tight fit. If that tower has to be replaced they have to go back to a 1/4 wave. He did such a good set up, IBOC in this case WAS plug and play. IBOC on a Sports format? SNORT! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Dec 18 09:07:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75785 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 17:07:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2007 17:07:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 17:07:57 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c35.2361db0c (14502) for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:07:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:07:49 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Ytc2gbmaXdrXbZgUUR_DSCQ22o5090kG4-oON1ZnrF1weO_KIoVZkPR84vlmqQzS X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/18/07 8:42:21 AM Central Standard Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > As a side note WCOS 1400 in Columbia has a 5/8 wave. > You are indeed correct. However, at 1 kW on 1400, the groundwave coverage doesn't reach out to where the even the close-in skywave reflection from the 5/8 secondary vertical lobe would occur. I stand corrected. My comment really pertained to larger stations with greater groundwave coverage. Obviously, if the station's groundwave doesn't extend out to the where the close-in skywave return occurs or the station only operates during daytime hours, the 5/8 tower would be the best choice if the Commission will authorized it. For a Class II or III, not limited to 1kW, the more economical choice would be higher authorized power as silicon is now cheaper than steel. Actually, I do listen to right-wing talk radio, mostly because I have little choice. In St. Louis, we have three talkers, two AM and one FM. One of the AM stations started out being the "alternative" to the other two. Even its Air America coverage is now down to Randi Rhodes. Talk radio has become more than just paid political speech. It's propaganda. Some balance needs to be restored and preserved in my opinion. The airwaves don't just belong to the highest bidder, a certain point of view, or even the majority. It belongs to everyone. I have to confess to listening to Michael Savage. Like a trainwreck, it's ugly and horrific, but sometimes you just have to take a look anyway. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Dec 18 10:21:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15727 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 18:20:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2007 18:20:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.184) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 18:20:58 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k15so2427183rvb.2 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:20:57 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.167.5 with SMTP id u5mr2495773rvo.71.1198002057527; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:20:57 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i4sm2495228rng.2007.12.18.10.19.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:20:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47680F04.20909@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:18:44 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=uy5afYcV28YcQKGGPBeH_9NQA7j_Q8WBRm8uFd0hSgZDEHpK6JQfUBFYjZwYhw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Actually, I do listen to right-wing talk radio, mostly because I have little choice. I am VERY lucky here to have several stations to listen to: Classic Hits KCHI 1010 AC KFMZ 1210 Nostalgia KRNT 1350 Oldies KIRX 1450 Oldies KFST 1550 AC KTTN 1600 Classical KXTR 1660 > Talk radio has become more than just paid political speech. It's propaganda. Some balance needs to be restored and preserved in my opinion. The airwaves don't just belong to the highest bidder, a certain point of view, or even the majority. It belongs to everyone. > It is called NPR. The Liberals are all on 100KW FMs the Conservatives and Libertarians are all on 500 Watt to 50,000 Watt AMs. I am sure Boortz, Rush, & the gang would be HAPPY to trade their noisey AM signals in for a National Network of 100KW FMs. > I have to confess to listening to Michael Savage. Like a trainwreck, it's ugly and horrific, but sometimes you just have to take a look anyway. That is a good way to describe savage! LOL Possum From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Dec 18 10:47:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90453 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 18:47:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2007 18:47:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-2122.google.com) (64.233.178.244) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 18:47:39 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id l65so2700612hsc.7 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:47:39 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.249.20 with SMTP id w20mr3074203rvh.7.1198003658524; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:47:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a16sm16427879rof.2007.12.18.10.47.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:47:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47680F7B.60604@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:20:43 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=1STUg3iN-XJYTGAWLTCaYUyJWkJ1FuVbOpZwMu6A9GxtIwJvCdw0qmTAwyjc-w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Actually, I do listen to right-wing talk radio, mostly because I have little choice. I am VERY lucky here to have several stations to listen to: Classic Hits KCHI 1010 AC KFMZ 1210 Nostalgia KRNT 1350 Oldies KIRX 1450 Oldies KFST 1550 AC KTTN 1600 Classical KXTR 1660 > Talk radio has become more than just paid political speech. It's propaganda. Some balance needs to be restored and preserved in my opinion. The airwaves don't just belong to the highest bidder, a certain point of view, or even the majority. It belongs to everyone. > It is called NPR. The Liberals are all on 100KW FMs the Conservatives and Libertarians are all on 500 Watt to 50,000 Watt AMs. I am sure Boortz, Rush, & the gang would be HAPPY to trade their noisey AM signals in for a National Network of 100KW FMs. > I have to confess to listening to Michael Savage. Like a trainwreck, it's ugly and horrific, but sometimes you just have to take a look anyway. That is a good way to describe savage! LOL Possum From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Dec 18 11:29:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64632 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 19:29:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2007 19:29:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 19:29:19 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2007 19:29:19 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2007 19:29:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2007 19:29:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:29:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47680F7B.60604@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.149.16.45 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=3H5hprAEH2C9SJZneOxVM7SZj2U-fUH9tlEF17-v-m4v_aI X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Come on guys....FOX NEWS its fair and balanced ! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > > mjgrant@... wrote: > > Actually, I do listen to right-wing talk radio, mostly because I=20 have little choice. >=20 > I am VERY lucky here to have several stations to listen to: >=20 > Classic Hits KCHI 1010 > AC KFMZ 1210 > Nostalgia KRNT 1350 > Oldies KIRX 1450 > Oldies KFST 1550 > AC KTTN 1600 > Classical KXTR 1660 >=20 >=20 > > Talk radio has become more than just paid political speech.=20=20 It's propaganda. Some balance needs to be restored and preserved in=20 my opinion. The airwaves don't just belong to the highest bidder, a=20 certain point of view, or even the majority. It belongs to everyone. > >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > It is called NPR. The Liberals are all on 100KW FMs the=20 Conservatives=20 > and Libertarians are all on 500 Watt to 50,000 Watt AMs. I am sure=20 > Boortz, Rush, & the gang would be HAPPY to trade their noisey AM=20 signals=20 > in for a National Network of 100KW FMs. >=20 >=20 > > I have to confess to listening to Michael Savage. Like a=20 trainwreck, it's ugly and horrific, but sometimes you just have to=20 take a look anyway. >=20 >=20 > That is a good way to describe savage! LOL >=20 > Possum > From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Dec 18 11:35:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54958 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 19:35:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2007 19:35:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 19:35:17 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ca3.21103dcf (37555) for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:35:11 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from FWM-D34 (fwm-d34.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.10]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB034-92b3476820ef1dd; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:35:11 -0500 References: <47680F04.20909@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:35:11 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <47680F04.20909@gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33161-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.10) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:35:11 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA0FC43D42808D-F58-3DE0@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=SrurZUzr1V_yK2NnVDV8GCCqmMuOi5lP9_RKBHC9YcIl1cAYtSc1kFzfVD-dhSvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Possum, NPR isn't liberal.? It's just boring. Thanks for mentioning KXTR.? I was going to be doing some antenna testing on 1660 khz because it is in the middle of the extended AM broadcast band. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Dec 18 11:52:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36649 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 19:52:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2007 19:52:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 19:52:47 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d55.1da8d9b8 (37044) for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:52:42 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from FWM-D34 (fwm-d34.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.10]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB032-90b4476825092c3; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:52:41 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:52:41 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33161-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.10) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:52:41 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA0FC6AF2345ED-F58-3F21@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ybxBnBBox0eMQDOvNUBb_UF918yP5-XOh5jBS2NJNy66zbTbYoVUzXyLlG4h4wxG X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Come on guys....FOX NEWS its fair and balanced ! And...... 1.? Abraham Lincoln shot John Wilkes Booth. 2.? The RMS Titanic struck and sank an iceberg in the North Atlantic. 3.? U.S. Naval ships from Pearl Harbor conducted a sneak attack?on the Japanese fleet in December 1941. 4.? John F. Kennedy shot Lee Harvey Oswald in the window of the Texas Book Depository from his limonsine. Courtesy of Keith Olbermann. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Dec 18 11:56:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68096 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 19:56:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2007 19:56:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.189) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 19:56:24 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k20so2413059rvb.30 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:56:24 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.180.11 with SMTP id c11mr886614rvf.166.1198007784263; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:56:24 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d34sm16527866roh.2007.12.18.11.56.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:56:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <476825EB.4050106@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:56:27 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=wSgktPNuWMwEGydVI6PFf15vOGlvcz4J6wQTyWjq5BzcF49NBcW7oBHj-aevgA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Juan Gualda wrote: > Come on guys....FOX NEWS its fair and balanced ! Then why don't they give Ron Paul a fair shake? Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Dec 18 12:21:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9065 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2007 20:21:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2007 20:21:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.170.188) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2007 20:21:26 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id e23so674868rng.7 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:21:25 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.201.13 with SMTP id y13mr3196109ybf.31.1198009285512; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:21:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w43sm19960627pyg.2007.12.18.12.21.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:21:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47682982.4030109@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:11:46 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <47680F04.20909@gmail.com> <8CA0FC43D42808D-F58-3DE0@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CA0FC43D42808D-F58-3DE0@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=RxwUpnPCVoDLTWywOjFpEM-PSNYUBUxuNvi8Sc23cqy6zDFUvv-pwoG6K5kInw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > NPR isn't liberal.? It's just boring. > I say if NPR is so great, why can't they survive in the commercial market and not suck down my Tax Dollars? They should dump these NPR and Bible Banger off the Educational Band and open it to migrate stations from the overcrowded AM band. > Thanks for mentioning KXTR.? I was going to be doing some antenna testing on 1660 khz because it is in the middle of the extended AM broadcast band. KXTR is nice to listen to at times. Classical on AM is VERY Rare! I can get them on my S-350, Superadio III, and car stereo, but they are not strong enough for my FreePlay Classic "Wind & Pray" radio or Sangean. Possum From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Dec 18 17:45:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90203 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 01:45:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 01:45:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.135) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 01:45:54 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n8.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2007 01:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2007 01:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2007 01:45:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:45:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47682982.4030109@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.50.10 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=Y0WXbdw26gHxaSN1uhOP2bNBX_UiTsSVY2oZL4kKsrF5DsA X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter wrote: > > mjgrant@... wrote: > > NPR isn't liberal.? It's just boring. > >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > I say if NPR is so great, why can't they survive in the commercial=20 > market and not suck down my Tax Dollars? They should dump these NPR and=20 > Bible Banger off the Educational Band and open it to migrate stations=20 > from the overcrowded AM band. >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Thanks for mentioning KXTR.? I was going to be doing some antenna testing on 1660 khz because it is in the middle of the extended AM broadcast band. >=20 >=20 > KXTR is nice to listen to at times. Classical on AM is VERY Rare! I can=20 > get them on my S-350, Superadio III, and car stereo, but they are not=20 > strong enough for my FreePlay Classic "Wind & Pray" radio or Sangean. >=20 > Possum > Working for an NPR station, I do hear the "NPR is Liberal" statement from people, but then again, these are people who blame Bill (and Hillary) Clinton for everything that goes wrong...I consider the source and smile. What really gets them is when I ask them to tell me what they heard that made them think it (NPR) is Liberal.... Guess what ? They can't because they don't listen. Ignorance is bliss...........With this in mind, Hannity and Limbaugh DO have a purpose..and more power to them. We provide more public service than all the commercial stations put together, so we are not going anywhere.....and yes we CAN survive...as most of our money comes from Underwriters and Members..yes people actually pay us money....some even thousands....(and guess what ? A whole lot of them are Republicans) We are expected to be on the air when the other stations are down during a Hurricane. In the past 4 Hurricanes, we were not off the air AT ALL! We have a 5 person News team, and we are the only provider of Classical Music in the area. I can go on, but I think I made my point. Bottom line, If you don't like NPR, Hannity, Limbaugh...don't listen. That is why radios have a switch. Juan ps....I don't agree with Rusty Humphries, but I do like him as he is a friend, and a great Broadcaster. From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Dec 18 18:07:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84717 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 02:07:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 02:07:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.244) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 02:07:39 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b20so708352ana.123 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:07:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.41.16 with SMTP id o16mr19034105ano.116.1198030055739; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:07:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p6sm16907998roc.2007.12.18.18.07.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:07:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47687CC3.4060507@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:06:59 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=COc504v20MgNnNEqIfgFV-8saRheQ1CcHm_f2d73ztKcdwBZ3blKYcMz9iiNxw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Juan Gualda wrote: > Bottom line, If you don't like NPR, Hannity, Limbaugh...don't listen. > That is why radios have a switch. Yes, Mine has several switches I use quite often. I press 7415 Enter and that gets some GREAT programming on WBCQ. On another radio I press 1600 Enter and this neat display that says (ST) lights and my AM radio sounds so WONDERFUL and Life-like listening to KTTN with sound so great, they made a Yahoo group about it! Oh yes, that is THIS Group! Kevin From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 18 18:32:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78712 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 02:32:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 02:32:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 02:32:05 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2007 02:32:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2007 02:32:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:32:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47687CC3.4060507@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.40.145.74 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=OnPZawTc-b0gN0l4svxBRphohdIVu1Ys0bDfrvCBfFjHSE7AxhjdbUmIIytWNmm-rqiC621Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > > Juan Gualda wrote: > > Bottom line, If you don't like NPR, Hannity, Limbaugh...don't=20 listen. > > That is why radios have a switch. >=20 > Yes, Mine has several switches I use quite often. I press 7415=20 Enter and=20 > that gets some GREAT programming on WBCQ. On another radio I press=20 1600=20 > Enter and this neat display that says (ST) lights and my AM radio=20 sounds=20 > so WONDERFUL and Life-like listening to KTTN with sound so great,=20 they=20 > made a Yahoo group about it! >=20 > Oh yes, that is THIS Group! >=20 > Kevin >=20 Hi Gang I do miss the good old days of classic country in AM STEREO=20 KTRB 860 AM STEREO Modesto Ca KRAK 1140 AM STEREO Sacramento Ca and=20=20 KHWY 1030 AM STEREO Folsom Ca. 99% of AM radio is talk boring radio=20 now. 1% is KUBA AM 1600 Marysville Ca 60's and 70's and KAHI AM 950=20 oldies on the week ends. Jim S From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Dec 18 18:45:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 107 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 02:45:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 02:45:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 02:45:30 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c84.1c9813d1 (30739) for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:45:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:45:05 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ae62SXIuSvOnK1NMWFQg-jm71boj2wG4TVMCmb1ksG9cbZd75qPTDmd79PCmqiAS X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, If ignorance is bliss, then Rush, Hannity, Savage, and Bortz must have begun their careers at WHB (World's Happiest Broadcasters) because they seem to be in a state of permanent nirvana. Actually, I don't think they would be allowed on the premises when Storz own the station. I think NPR is very well balanced, especially in their news and features. Conservatives have this notion you are either for them or against them. So because NPR doesn't base its content on the talking points faxed out from the White House, it must be liberal. NPR puts out a consistently good product. However, I prefer something more lively than the conversational style which was borrowed from college radio. KFTK, the Ennis right wing FM talker here in St. Louis carries Rusty Humphries. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Dec 18 19:54:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66661 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 03:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 03:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.240) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 03:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2007 03:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2007 03:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2007 03:54:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:54:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.50.10 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=L7_gN1eWdW44u0k-UnO_tOGAkeI0H0RjrlE_a-o2n4VbWfY X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 > wrote: > > > > Juan Gualda wrote: > > > Bottom line, If you don't like NPR, Hannity, Limbaugh...don't=20 > listen. > > > That is why radios have a switch. > >=20 > > Yes, Mine has several switches I use quite often. I press 7415=20 > Enter and=20 > > that gets some GREAT programming on WBCQ. On another radio I press=20 > 1600=20 > > Enter and this neat display that says (ST) lights and my AM radio=20 > sounds=20 > > so WONDERFUL and Life-like listening to KTTN with sound so great,=20 > they=20 > > made a Yahoo group about it! > >=20 > > Oh yes, that is THIS Group! > >=20 > > Kevin > >=20 > Hi Gang I do miss the good old days of classic country in AM STEREO=20 > KTRB 860 AM STEREO Modesto Ca KRAK 1140 AM STEREO Sacramento Ca and=20=20 > KHWY 1030 AM STEREO Folsom Ca. 99% of AM radio is talk boring radio=20 > now. 1% is KUBA AM 1600 Marysville Ca 60's and 70's and KAHI AM 950=20 > oldies on the week ends. Jim S > Back to AM Stereo.... I am planning another trip to North Myrtle Beach. This time I would like to take my Carver tx-11a, for a little better freq response when I record WNMB. Listening back to my airchecks, they sounded good, but the SRF-42 seems to roll off the high end before what the broadcasting stations roll off for the NRSC filter. Is the SRF-A100 any better ? I have not recorded from mine since I turned the AM Stereo back on at KRIB. One of these days, I will dig up my AM Stereo airchecks from the 80s....before the NRSC filtering. It's good stuff........ Juan From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 18 20:07:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66787 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 04:07:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 04:07:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.160) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 04:07:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 75393 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Dec 2007 04:07:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: r8aOwVsVM1muuKZHQ.KkilsLB54p3zNZG8aMyzHtcpPGGH8mpgmzEiQzxKMdnRCgYRiStMMzcA-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:07:40 PST Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:07:40 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <772813.75156.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=gm3kVwv3UsALFLBnOSjYoYe9_vkq2X4XkM8WBWNCdfE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Juan Gualda wrote: > Back to AM Stereo.... > > I am planning another trip to North Myrtle Beach. > This time I would > like to take my Carver tx-11a, for a little better > freq response when I record WNMB. And when are you heading this way? Powell @ WKDK after the Mantovani concert in town NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 18 20:21:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52201 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 04:21:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 04:21:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.119) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 04:21:18 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2007 04:21:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2007 04:21:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2007 04:21:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:21:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.119 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.150.208 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=X8_vya01YHIpdV0ngYzN_rfyhmlPEbBC9uIfMVeGUA1anHs8K8rQFSwlldwvIvgA49GgmVGh X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan Gualda" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 > > wrote: > > > > > > Juan Gualda wrote: > > > > Bottom line, If you don't like NPR, Hannity, Limbaugh...don't=20 > > listen. > > > > That is why radios have a switch. > > >=20 > > > Yes, Mine has several switches I use quite often. I press 7415=20 > > Enter and=20 > > > that gets some GREAT programming on WBCQ. On another radio I=20 press=20 > > 1600=20 > > > Enter and this neat display that says (ST) lights and my AM=20 radio=20 > > sounds=20 > > > so WONDERFUL and Life-like listening to KTTN with sound so=20 great,=20 > > they=20 > > > made a Yahoo group about it! > > >=20 > > > Oh yes, that is THIS Group! > > >=20 > > > Kevin > > >=20 > > Hi Gang I do miss the good old days of classic country in AM=20 STEREO=20 > > KTRB 860 AM STEREO Modesto Ca KRAK 1140 AM STEREO Sacramento Ca=20 and=20=20 > > KHWY 1030 AM STEREO Folsom Ca. 99% of AM radio is talk boring=20 radio=20 > > now. 1% is KUBA AM 1600 Marysville Ca 60's and 70's and KAHI AM=20 950=20 > > oldies on the week ends. Jim S > > >=20 >=20 > Back to AM Stereo.... >=20 > I am planning another trip to North Myrtle Beach. This time I would > like to take my Carver tx-11a, for a little better freq response=20 when > I record WNMB. >=20 > Listening back to my airchecks, they sounded good, but the SRF-42 > seems to roll off the high end before what the broadcasting stations > roll off for the NRSC filter. Is the SRF-A100 any better ? I have=20 not > recorded from mine since I turned the AM Stereo back on at KRIB. >=20 > One of these days, I will dig up my AM Stereo airchecks from the > 80s....before the NRSC filtering. It's good stuff........ >=20 >=20 > Juan > Hi I like my Sony SRF A300 lots of bass and wide audio and=20 sepraitoin. Jim S From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Dec 18 20:21:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73295 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 04:21:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 04:21:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.132) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 04:21:43 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2007 04:21:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2007 04:21:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2007 04:21:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:21:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.50.10 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: 5/8 Wave Ant....Rusty Humphries X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=BFASj6DOyzdmvU1k0--G5SZ_4LorKiKfMkgy6jne9pbfnbU X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > If ignorance is bliss, then Rush, Hannity, Savage, and Bortz must have begun=20 > their careers at WHB (World's Happiest Broadcasters) because they seem to be=20 > in a state of permanent nirvana. Actually, I don't think they would be allowed=20 > on the premises when Storz own the station. >=20 > I think NPR is very well balanced, especially in their news and features.=20=20 > Conservatives have this notion you are either for them or against them. So=20 > because NPR doesn't base its content on the talking points faxed out from the=20 > White House, it must be liberal.=20=20 >=20 > NPR puts out a consistently good product. However, I prefer something more=20 > lively than the conversational style which was borrowed from college radio. >=20 > KFTK, the Ennis right wing FM talker here in St. Louis carries Rusty=20 > Humphries. >=20 > Mike >=20 Mike, Hey NPR is liked by some, disliked by others. it does get really in depth as far as the News stories go because it is what is expected, but this isn't for everyone. Let's face it, headlines are all some people have time for. That is reality If you listen long enough to NPR, you will understand what it is about, and why they have long features, not headlines. Actually they do have headlines, but at the top of the hour. I have no problem with somebody telling me NPR sucks. I just want to know why. I have taken many calls from people making a donation, who make it a point to tell me in their opinion the NPR programming is left leaning, but they tell me they give money anyway because it is the only place where they can hear both sides of the story, and not just headlines. I respect these opinions because they come from listeners. Regarding Rusty...He is a great guy, and unlike some other talkers, he has the courage of his convictions. It is not an act. He is what he is, and he is a great Broadcaster.=20 Juan From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Dec 18 20:27:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45558 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 04:27:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 04:27:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.249) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 04:27:24 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2007 04:27:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2007 04:27:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2007 04:27:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:27:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <772813.75156.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.50.10 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: 5/8 Wave Ant, Mantovani & Myrtle Beach X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=NT-hgDAlX9z6_zwP-1DkKrvP0wO_3T4szA16DooaRnmFbBk X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > >=20 > --- Juan Gualda wrote: >=20 > > Back to AM Stereo.... > >=20 > > I am planning another trip to North Myrtle Beach. > > This time I would > > like to take my Carver tx-11a, for a little better > > freq response when I record WNMB. >=20 > And when are you heading this way? >=20 > Powell @ WKDK after the Mantovani concert in town >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > Powell.... Mantovani ? Really ?=20 I just bought on eBay some Bert Kaempfert records from a Stars & Stripes writer's estate in Europe. Mantovani is next for the collection... I am planning on going for the Mid Winter Beach Music get together there in Myrtle Beach next month. I know I asked you this before, but where are you in relation to Myrtle Beach ? Juan From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 18 20:29:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97757 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 04:29:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 04:29:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 04:29:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 76568 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Dec 2007 04:29:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2OVKhyAVM1mX9ed.Sg7tCrR.NdjFST_cTtKmEFzksYt49JLVvGkuYot3hIvAEjJ0yf94PqIOGQ-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:29:57 PST Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:29:57 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <246610.76199.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 5/8 Wave Ant, Mantovani & Myrtle Beach X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=NMMQej0e2k4tE2DfIout-AeCCAitScbOGCFxBR-2Pm8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Juan Gualda wrote: > > I am planning on going for the Mid Winter Beach > Music get together > there in Myrtle Beach next month. I know I asked you > this before, but > where are you in relation to Myrtle Beach ? Newberry SC some 200 miles WNW.... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Dec 18 20:44:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14175 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 04:44:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 04:44:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.244) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 04:44:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2007 04:44:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2007 04:44:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:44:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <246610.76199.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.50.10 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: 5/8 Wave Ant, Mantovani & Myrtle Beach X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=mXMcRNSK9KI2w27X_Leo_l5698vj_wAxPnQ6LDkXnWh5VuI X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > >=20 > --- Juan Gualda wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > I am planning on going for the Mid Winter Beach > > Music get together > > there in Myrtle Beach next month. I know I asked you > > this before, but > > where are you in relation to Myrtle Beach ? >=20 >=20 > Newberry SC some 200 miles WNW.... >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > Powell, Are you close enough to make airchecks of WLWL Rockingham ? Juan From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 19 05:54:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42406 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 13:54:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 13:54:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 13:54:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 72583 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Dec 2007 13:54:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZFTWafcVM1n4DYE8ReauXDQZuYFIl66JYCjZ4bhCX3AqD_itGM4wpkBjqfbPMGqaDQr23gd5dX5Y2g5YMqSTO9KeXGatj6uKsHxVL6zRzYHjw8ikXUGGT_w4tQ-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 05:54:39 PST Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 05:54:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <709607.71837.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=GhM9IXElZnjrTNj_vL36abruKUaUc64Dz06Aec_ueyq0xXBMIRqcJtM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Powell wrote: "...IBOC on a Sports format? SNORT!..." Snort indeed. Our 1KW graveyarder has FOX Craptacular Sports Network in HD, and the audio is horrible when there are cellphone calls or any voice that isn't at the studio. HOWEVER, when they allow music to play on the weekends once in a while, it sounds okay. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Dec 19 07:23:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41311 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 15:23:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 15:23:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 15:23:28 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c07.27303268 (14467) for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:23:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:23:20 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 5/8 Wave Ant....Rusty Humphries X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=qc-4wwJirb1YbGuD1UeoLeGtAIgQNDsMlAksj5xAZfWofccDpqcNUgnSjUcE0lJO X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I said, NPR puts out a consistently good product. If I want the indepth story, I go to NPR. If anything, NPR goes too much out of its way to be balanced. I think it is intellectual, but not liberal. The ring wingers consider it liberal because it isn't right wing. NPR is honest and highly professional. We need NPR. Now, Air America IS liberal. If one listens to both, one quickly understands the difference. I'm glad to hear Rusty Humphries is a man of conviction. Unfortunately, that sometimes limits one's tenure. Bruce Bradley is another one, although I think he finally retired. Mantovania? Surely he can't still be alive, let alone on the road doing concerts. By the way, have your heard Fatherly's production on Todd Storz and Storz Broadcasting? Top notch. I don't know if some of the guys just decided to do it on their own or it was underwritten by someone. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Dec 19 07:33:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90743 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 15:33:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 15:33:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 15:33:50 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c92.1d40ca4d (14467) for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:33:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:33:06 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=f6xQZ486_Xkxq4oPkDSP4xyLsJTuv4cYGE9SeBddIXu0ZghZ5oamDKpNmjK9imMr X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Back to AM Stereo and antennas... Does anyone have on of Chris Cuff's newest modified boards? If so, what kind of antenna seems to work best with it? I am trying build an antenna for Hank. I have one of Chris's boards for 660 and I never expected it would work with an antenna. However, it doesn't seem to work with a 50 ohm load either. Chris tells me the newer boards aren't 50 ohm. The antenna consists of a length of 3/4 in copper pipe with a 3 1/2 in. diameter air core loading coil at the base. I can put however many turns that are needed on it. From what Hank tells me, the vertical radiator itself will be about 7 feet in length and he's going to be using the center screw of a grounded outlet for the ground. I think Hank wants to use 1610. I am building it to get some reference measurements for my experimental antenna which will be 50 ohms. Thanks. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Dec 19 08:06:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10358 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 16:06:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 16:06:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.164) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 16:06:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17145 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Dec 2007 16:06:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .iiZtfkVM1kAP71EEvifHG9MBFxAYQYdnZUztnY1HZbc0ntu9dfsd2zKdUGS14AncGtm8J8ciA-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.132] by web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:06:02 PST Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:06:02 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <857251.16170.qm@web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 5/8 Wave Ant, Mantovani & Myrtle Beach X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=iJEYqjKRZQqEjcEX4J_2BBsSAIDSlgGezuYCS7ApynI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Juan Gualda wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > > > --- Juan Gualda wrote: > > > > > > > > I am planning on going for the Mid Winter Beach > > > Music get together > > > there in Myrtle Beach next month. I know I asked > you > > > this before, but > > > where are you in relation to Myrtle Beach ? > > > > > > Newberry SC some 200 miles WNW.... > > > > > > Powell > > > > NNNN > > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > > Powell, > > Are you close enough to make airchecks of WLWL > Rockingham ? I was when I lived in Columbia. I'm 60 miles more away now. I haven't tried, but I doubt if it would be very good. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 19 08:23:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69143 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 16:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 16:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.185) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 16:23:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20196 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Dec 2007 16:23:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0ThnpjYVM1n9j5FYj.Z8HqelYg3TxAl5IU4PiXKVvKYkNTDX2Hrsr.bBwabqkt3Dpm9egJZtCtsNElQqs8rW9OQfJ6Zcu8BNvzqCnqLyt4MGMvdgsIxvW0_bUKgZHQ-- X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:23:45 PST Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:23:45 -0800 (PST) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <822877.19752.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: www.amstereoradio.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=I2DJUw7wbYiPtw4zY9ZGKj5edVaZE0ElN4oeKu0T6wBWl2pyBUHi X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where the hell is the website?!?! It directs to some bullshit asshole squatter site!!! --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Dec 19 09:06:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14444 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 17:06:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 17:06:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 17:06:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c7b.2292dd0c (41810) for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:06:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:06:46 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.amstereoradio.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=6aKMtDa3P3oOn4rNi2eYi4EovpwZhoDZM7ctnAucCDNVVbtB5aem56yzST9woSkZ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/19/07 10:24:13 AM Central Standard Time, a1asurfradio@yahoo.com writes: > Where the hell is the website?!?! It directs to some bullshit asshole > squatter site!!! > Nice to see someone immersed in the spirit of the season. Just alittle advice. I wouldn't be making any plans for Christmas Eve as you are likely to have unexpected visitors. Four to be exact. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 19 10:47:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9716 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 18:47:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 18:47:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.225) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 18:47:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36498 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Dec 2007 18:47:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zze8gfcVM1m4TiiKiwmc9EwbMqsDwkEgYiKbfSfShzY42h5vT7SZvYNn00NiyzoM4pcyw9aVtZsQb0wDuMxLckU831TD3FqdG2l82Pt_4csdTIKUQQ-- X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:47:26 PST Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:47:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <875963.34802.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.amstereoradio.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=zCSVg3MhlqwnPkeE7swd0UOyZetPfzmfoNYL9ORfvzA_sEnYPK0f X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like getting visitors! I wish it did feel like Christmastime but it doesn't & no amount of wall-wall Johnny Mathis over F.M. can change that. Ah well, summer's only 6 months away. THAT's MY season! But seriously, I can't stand squatters. They are scum! There are no words in any language to describe how vile they are. mjgrant@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/19/07 10:24:13 AM Central Standard Time, a1asurfradio@yahoo.com writes: > Where the hell is the website?!?! It directs to some bullshit asshole > squatter site!!! > Nice to see someone immersed in the spirit of the season. Just alittle advice. I wouldn't be making any plans for Christmas Eve as you are likely to have unexpected visitors. Four to be exact. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Dec 19 11:01:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40212 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 19:01:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 19:01:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s36.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.236) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 19:01:25 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W6 ([64.4.19.106]) by bay0-omc3-s36.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:01:22 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:01:22 -0500 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2007 19:01:22.0180 (UTC) FILETIME=[8BA76440:01C84271] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=m20PP69scnzRCkmZUS6hn7U8lC0ziitiEplJSTAYDp1-Oc1UlKm- X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been reading the various inputs on this list concerning liberal vs. conservative radio talkers. I am not certain if anyone can say for sure why liberal talk radio fails and conservative radio thrives, but as we say down south, "them be the facts". I personally do not listen either version of talk radio, neither liberal or conservative, as I have developed the habit over time of doing my own thinking, and forming my own opinions based on facts that I discover and verify. I have neither the time or patience to listen to other people's opinions, which is what you get on talk radio, both conservative and liberal. I listen to NPR as they are the best available for unbiased news reporting. I also listen to the BBC via shortwave. I read the Chicago and Atlanta papers via the internet, with occasional forays to New York addresses. I also have subscriptions to several news magazines. With these sources, I believe I can think and come to conclusions based on my own system of beliefs and practices. I doubt seriously whether anything I write will change the listening habits of anyone, but I felt compelled to say them. MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Dec 19 13:26:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62885 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 21:26:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 21:26:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 21:26:06 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bec.16c70b61 (39330) for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:26:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:26:00 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=PBpOjdZDAm6XXSj3pRC25yKlnLJnO540ZUh453VRpTVwKJAsPWYyTCcNU1ha9b16 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael, Liberal talk radio fails because of sponsorship and audience. Right wingers appeal to business interests who provide the ad revenue. Who listens to radio during the day? Coupon clippers, small business owners, and angry unemployed white males. Liberals are out working hard and don't have the extra money to help support liberal radio. I like the "Beeb" myself, especially directly from the Worldservice via shortwave. Classy, but a bit dry. AM Stereo is the perfect solution. Put the conservative talkers on the right channel and the liberal talkers on the left. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Dec 19 13:26:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99654 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 21:26:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 21:26:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.189) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 21:26:42 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g11so4076267rvb.59 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:26:40 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.172.6 with SMTP id z6mr6261257rvo.54.1198099600539; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:26:40 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k6sm3299394rog.2007.12.19.13.26.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:26:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47698C5E.8070805@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:25:50 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <822877.19752.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <822877.19752.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.amstereoradio.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=JJuxB8TngttLcGoMEMLUntLtZCVf86Nu4T2VFXZ2lM8ZpgQ86UmKrdR-f_j1yQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 JNR wrote: > Where the hell is the website?!?! It directs to some bullshit asshole squatter site!!! That is what happens when the owner of the site does NOT pay the bill! Possum From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Dec 19 13:44:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85885 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 21:44:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 21:44:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s27.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.227) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 21:44:19 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.17]) by bay0-omc3-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:43:12 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:43:11 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.13 by BLU108-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:43:04 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:43:04 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2007 21:43:11.0101 (UTC) FILETIME=[269F2AD0:01C84288] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=MAPVd9s1TjMpIDyEsUWZHw07VzA96htvXSIoxqvFoVXOXYXhUexnMXJJb3M X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like to do my own thinking as well, Michael. I listen to the BBC for my national and international news as well as NPR. (used to also listen to VOA, but they continued to cut their hours and amount of time devoted to news and there was some internal turmoil about what they could and could not report) As far as news magazines, I think the most unbiased (just the facts, mam as Jack "Dragnet" Webb would say!) is U.S. News and World Reports. I also read several newspapers online including the Columbus (OH) Dispatch. (part of that "liberal media" - they endorsed the President in 2004; although it was half-hearted endorsement as opposed to their 2000 enthusiastic endorsement for Bush). But like you, I like to collect my own facts and then draw my own conclusions, instead of just thinking in lock-step with the talkers. (and they tend to be talkers, not thinkers). I believe one reason conservative radio does better mainly because they had at least a 20 head start on the liberal talk radio scene and that is to their credit; progressive/liberals just sat on their hands. Also I believe that most conservatives (and even neocons) have run businesses (small and corporations) and know how to run things better than the progressives/liberals who generally are not business oriented. It's the same with the campaigns, the republicans run better campaigns that the democratic party. The democratic party seems to keep shooting themselves in the foot. (i.e. Florida not having any delegates in the upcoming 2008 convention, since the state of Florida moved it's primary earlier than the DNC thought was appropriate) Elections are won by people who run the best campaigns, not necessarily the best candidates. Donn, St. Petersburg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Dec 19 13:59:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54875 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 21:59:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 21:59:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.166) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 21:59:34 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.11]) by bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:59:31 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:59:30 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.13 by BLU108-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:59:26 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:59:25 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2007 21:59:30.0901 (UTC) FILETIME=[6EA0C850:01C8428A] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=yJqQQKjdWYg-HQIgNIWMKxQU9aUfWSbfGftW2sG3LJCVBKqJuLc1YBdNzMc X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Several more points, With the conservative radio having a head start (and that is to their credit, they were thinking ahead), they have developed networks and syndicated themselves on the stations with the best coverage; liberal/progressive radio, usually has to settle for the crumbs when they can even get on the air; the graveyard channels and lower power stations, there are some exceptions (i.e..WINZ-940-Miami), but the exceptions are few and far between. As far as local news I can no longer depend on local radio with Clear Channel cutting their news operations to the bone. The alleged "news leader" here,ClearChannel's WFLA-970 airs Fox news at the top of the hour, then a few advertisements and then weather from one of the local TV stations, they do mange to run a full minute of local news at 30 or 31 minutes past the hour, but if you sneeze and miss that one minute of local news per hour, you're out of luck. Now the Leesburg,FL market is small enough where ClearChannel, Cox, CBS, Salem etc haven't been that interested (so far) and their two AM stations are locally owned and are live and local from 6am to midnight (both are automated overnight, but with people there incase of a news or weather emergency. This is often the case, at least here in Florida, where you actually have better local and state news coverage in a small market, that the corporations have not coveted. One of the two stations does run some syndicated talk as well as local talk, and that same station has news blocks midday as well as some music blocks during the day. On the weekend both stations are live and local, no repeats or "encore" programs. Donn St Petersburg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Dec 19 14:33:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84242 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 22:33:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 22:33:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.170.190) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 22:33:51 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id e5so787248rng.3 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:33:51 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.229.16 with SMTP id b16mr1438328ybh.115.1198103630972; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:33:50 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:33:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80712191433s60fe2ac9oc40fc7676cb99e5f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:33:50 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.amstereoradio.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=nBwYfs79tLidvk2riD9SQ85tPSAfHJcqven21IuHHLpSV3Cq1kW5Ra1g X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What kind of visitors do you think Jay is going to have? Maybe I'm missing something.. Paul On Dec 19, 2007 12:06 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 12/19/07 10:24:13 AM Central Standard Time, > a1asurfradio@yahoo.com writes: > > > Where the hell is the website?!?! It directs to some bullshit asshole > > squatter site!!! > > > > Nice to see someone immersed in the spirit of the season. Just alittle > advice. I wouldn't be making any plans for Christmas Eve as you are likely > to have > unexpected visitors. Four to be exact. > > Mike > > ************************************** > See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Dec 19 14:34:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85956 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 22:34:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 22:34:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.177) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 22:34:32 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id r27so852191ele.2 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:34:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.197.8 with SMTP id u8mr3849244ybf.62.1198103672144; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:34:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:34:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80712191434m538032cfi5336f759b2ed91fe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:34:31 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47698C5E.8070805@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <822877.19752.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47698C5E.8070805@gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.amstereoradio.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=f-r1ELY7W7EGFN0_QGpxPH0qWEMxAmu3yaOKbm8kvGCEqwgbIUXsYgWj X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's silly not to pay for the domain name.. what is that these days? $9? hat's what I paid for walkerbroadcasting.com Paul On Dec 19, 2007 4:25 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > JNR wrote: > > Where the hell is the website?!?! It directs to some bullshit asshole > squatter site!!! > > That is what happens when the owner of the site does NOT pay the bill! > > Possum > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Dec 19 14:53:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83544 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 22:53:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 22:53:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.159) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 22:53:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82144 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Dec 2007 22:53:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UrXtAYcVM1l3Wg0qpGX3pDLu_2otHM9I2Rloxtq_oTveXs0Gf_WY4gsJjDq1R33fJPNhwVmjvQ-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:53:35 PST Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:53:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <444093.81069.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=tyE8nsPS1xJtVDibsox9URi9AUYBuMpBod_RFK8LUbg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Michael, > > Liberal talk radio fails because of sponsorship and > audience. Right wingers > appeal to business interests who provide the ad > revenue. Who listens to radio > during the day? Coupon clippers, small business > owners, and angry unemployed > white males. Liberals are out working hard and > don't have the extra money to > help support liberal radio. > Not even close to reality! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Dec 19 15:15:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49731 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 23:15:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 23:15:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.224) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 23:15:14 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c49so2270653wra.1 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:15:13 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.143.157.10 with SMTP id j10mr3440314wfo.229.1198106113379; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:15:13 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m5sm18331419roe.2007.12.19.15.15.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:15:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4769A5F4.3070305@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:15:00 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <822877.19752.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47698C5E.8070805@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80712191434m538032cfi5336f759b2ed91fe@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80712191434m538032cfi5336f759b2ed91fe@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.amstereoradio.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=0w_XsQXLm5piugObyB9eXAmygTbHgq01MNP93Yn4BqUHM4aKKgnsvuPycx1Q3g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > It's silly not to pay for the domain name.. what is that these days? $9? You are 100% Right, but SOMEBODY didn't pay the toll collector! Possum From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Dec 19 15:16:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20965 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 23:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 23:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.179) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 23:16:42 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so6845251pyb.2 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:16:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.102.1 with SMTP id e1mr10595566pym.32.1198106201723; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:16:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:16:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80712191516v667d138dp497308f640ec7ee0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:16:41 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4769A5F4.3070305@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <822877.19752.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47698C5E.8070805@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80712191434m538032cfi5336f759b2ed91fe@mail.gmail.com> <4769A5F4.3070305@gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.amstereoradio.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=S0VGUzkqSey0to0jUr5wIvVOGuGtWSBflwHfX4VPkk-WlZc5qW8zHBa- X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WOW!! For once, Pedantariffic Powell says I'm 100 percent right? I guess there's a first time for everything! :=) Paul On Dec 19, 2007 6:15 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > > It's silly not to pay for the domain name.. what is that these days? $9? > > You are 100% Right, but SOMEBODY didn't pay the toll collector! > > Possum > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Dec 19 15:27:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62489 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 23:27:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 23:27:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 23:27:36 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bbb.1aeca36f (14501) for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:27:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:27:31 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 101 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=LtZns9DOVnn-9yTHfrv_Y3tjiOyv6UkJLFuPg_MQ_vJ_LPqBbPpyhGWSoJ9Rhhax X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/19/07 3:44:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, florida_amstereo@hotmail.com writes: Elections are won by people who run the best campaigns, not necessarily the best candidates. It also help to have the official in charge of the electron as your state campaign chairman. At least in Florida. Nah, I'm not bitter. Al will rise again. Mike **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Dec 19 15:30:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17184 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 23:30:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 23:30:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 23:30:31 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c0b.241c6684 (14501) for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:30:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:30:07 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 101 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=RXRsOFc3Q7QJHN7C4KlZqRF5qsDbqvBqmDo6SLdR4d8LeQ3Km19aS32dlUb7H9dD X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, hate radio started a lot more than 20 years ago. Mike **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Dec 19 15:33:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20629 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 23:33:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 23:33:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.188) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 23:33:34 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so2902360rvf.7 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:33:33 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.82.2 with SMTP id f2mr6362892rvb.25.1198107213505; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:33:33 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h7sm18412270roe.2007.12.19.15.33.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:33:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4769AA1B.4000301@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:32:43 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <822877.19752.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47698C5E.8070805@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80712191434m538032cfi5336f759b2ed91fe@mail.gmail.com> <4769A5F4.3070305@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80712191516v667d138dp497308f640ec7ee0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80712191516v667d138dp497308f640ec7ee0@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.amstereoradio.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=nBKycn8czFFcizTqcmqrdO6V789ixKvDeNtDwcE1nEv_-1W6hvXxkfAYnFyilw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > WOW!! For once, Pedantariffic Powell says I'm 100 percent right? Look again! I am well over 1200 Miles from Pedantariffic Powell! LOL Kevin From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Dec 19 15:34:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36075 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 23:34:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 23:34:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 23:34:41 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so4530181pyb.6 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:34:38 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.11.1 with SMTP id o1mr3042316pyi.31.1198107277747; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:34:37 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:34:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80712191534u25dd334bk8c38d99cef9ce52@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:34:37 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4769AA1B.4000301@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <822877.19752.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47698C5E.8070805@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80712191434m538032cfi5336f759b2ed91fe@mail.gmail.com> <4769A5F4.3070305@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80712191516v667d138dp497308f640ec7ee0@mail.gmail.com> <4769AA1B.4000301@gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.amstereoradio.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=I2GyykzsD3DwRVONWCgYLClVw-Yc1_uiNuyvz5upzG5e7eB4r_mB91V4 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OOPS.. Why in the world did I think Powell wrote that? LOL.. I'm sure I'll hear about it, HA! Paul On Dec 19, 2007 6:32 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > > WOW!! For once, Pedantariffic Powell says I'm 100 percent right? > > Look again! I am well over 1200 Miles from Pedantariffic Powell! LOL > > Kevin > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Dec 19 15:49:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64656 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 23:49:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2007 23:49:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.229) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 23:49:32 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 55so2789918wri.2 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:49:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.12.14 with SMTP id 14mr1547265wfl.81.1198108168557; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:49:28 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d37sm11478700roh.2007.12.19.15.49.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:49:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4769ADD0.5090003@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:48:32 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <822877.19752.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47698C5E.8070805@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80712191434m538032cfi5336f759b2ed91fe@mail.gmail.com> <4769A5F4.3070305@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80712191516v667d138dp497308f640ec7ee0@mail.gmail.com> <4769AA1B.4000301@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80712191534u25dd334bk8c38d99cef9ce52@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80712191534u25dd334bk8c38d99cef9ce52@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.amstereoradio.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=FXhLzrVrSZ-mk62j0lXfVCpp5e1Z67F7TCLZRDDfv8Oxjkp9fkOhvuBCxhoPwg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > OOPS.. Why in the world did I think Powell wrote that? LOL.. I'm sure I'll hear about it, HA! Yep, you are in for it when he gets online. Besides, I am MUCH better looking than Powell Kevin From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Dec 19 16:04:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80455 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 00:04:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 00:04:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.176) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 00:04:36 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so542092pyb.3 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:04:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.62.19 with SMTP id p19mr10658794pyk.4.1198109074936; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:04:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:04:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80712191604g4c5417bau9687a01693a6bda7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:04:34 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=ag_G4XNwYSvMzwjrV0gw7BJlrg0NXtShiC4c25O5FnShztQewzCLYyVF X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What stations are you referring to.. WLBE 790 and WVLG 640? I know that WQBQ 1410 and WKIQ 1210 sure as HELL DON'T fall into that catergory! :=) (I used to work for a sister station of theirs and know how the parent company "runs" things. Paul On Dec 19, 2007 4:59 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Several more points, > > With the conservative radio having a head start (and that is to their > credit, they were thinking ahead), they have developed networks and > syndicated themselves on the stations with the best coverage; > liberal/progressive radio, usually has to settle for the crumbs when they > can even get on the air; the graveyard channels and lower power stations, > there are some exceptions (i.e..WINZ-940-Miami), but the exceptions are > few and far between. > > As far as local news I can no longer depend on local radio with Clear > Channel cutting their news operations to the bone. The alleged "news leader" > here,ClearChannel's WFLA-970 airs Fox news at the top of the hour, then a > few advertisements and then weather from one of the local TV stations, they > do mange to run a full minute of local news at 30 or 31 minutes past the > hour, but if you sneeze and miss that one minute of local news per hour, > you're out of luck. > > Now the Leesburg,FL market is small enough where ClearChannel, Cox, CBS, > Salem etc haven't been that interested (so far) and their two AM stations > are locally owned and are live and local from 6am to midnight (both are > automated overnight, but with people there incase of a news or weather > emergency. This is often the case, at least here in Florida, where you > actually have better local and state news coverage in a small market, that > the corporations have not coveted. > > One of the two stations does run some syndicated talk as well as local > talk, and that same station has news blocks midday as well as some music > blocks during the day. > > On the weekend both stations are live and local, no repeats or "encore" > programs. > > Donn > St Petersburg > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Dec 19 16:24:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9228 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 00:24:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 00:24:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s25.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.97) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 00:24:46 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.17]) by bay0-omc1-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:23:40 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:23:40 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.12 by BLU108-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:23:35 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:23:34 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2007 00:23:40.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[9210A710:01C8429E] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=L0iSrteQHthgus10Io-JfmhqmVRETkFRmR32Zuf_xscIry7eICISULcewaU X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Paul, Yes,......... I was referring to WVLG-640 and WLBE-790. I visited WLBE earlier this year and was impressed by their small but good facility; several studios and they were converting an old storeroom to a news room. Unfortunately their (WLBE-790) signal at night is limited to mostly an east-west pattern and they have to contend with the Cuban station interference at night; where my parents live WLBE and WVLG boom in during the day at night only WVLG is listenable of the two. (in the Ridge Manor/Webster area). 1410 has been dark most of the last year, they have been dark the last two weekends and Thanksgiving week. (don't know what the story is on that) I'm not familiar with 1210, will have to find out where they are located. Here is St. Pete just 73 miles s.s.e. of my parents', I can barely receive 790 during the day (at night, it's a blend of 790-Miami or Cuba, depending on which direction I turn my radio.) I receive the Cuban 640 day and night here; not a hint of WVLG this far south. btw- if your familiar with south Florida radio; WQAM has more or less fired Hank Goldberg and Neil Rogers will be leaving in about a year when his current contract is up; both were asked to take a 50 percent cut to their salary. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Dec 19 16:49:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39700 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 00:49:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 00:49:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 00:49:12 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.55.48] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071219184902002028800003> for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:49:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <012901c842a2$91e68d00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <47680F04.20909@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:49:02 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: KSTR- was: Re: {AMSF} 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=YtQxRzpq5A1Fy6VdFyPblwKfWfkD2dSbZCXkKr2JnoFE2_n80WLT X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does KXTR run stereo, either now or in the past? Are they running IBOC now? I understand Entercom has most of their AMs of any size converted. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter I am VERY lucky here to have several stations to listen to: Classic Hits KCHI 1010 AC KFMZ 1210 Nostalgia KRNT 1350 Oldies KIRX 1450 Oldies KFST 1550 AC KTTN 1600 Classical KXTR 1660 --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Dec 19 17:06:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54524 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 01:06:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 01:06:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.238) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 01:06:25 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c55so2657262wra.11 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:06:22 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.154.6 with SMTP id b6mr653282ybe.64.1198112782369; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:06:22 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h5sm2298735roe.2007.12.19.17.06.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:06:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4769BFDE.2070605@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:05:34 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <47680F04.20909@gmail.com> <012901c842a2$91e68d00$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <012901c842a2$91e68d00$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: KSTR- was: Re: {AMSF} 5/8 Wave Ant X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=o4gMsMjDa9tnoxaEVhJMgQzWe4-ajO6cWr1uJH1DrvrNPKwGFCcFYtvNQG0Gng X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > Does KXTR run stereo, either now or in the past? I don't know about the past, but it is Mono now. > Are they running IBOC now? Analog. Kevin From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Dec 19 17:18:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8914 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 01:18:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 01:18:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.209) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 01:18:39 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2007 01:18:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2007 01:18:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2007 01:18:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:18:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <012901c842a2$91e68d00$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.50.10 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: WGTN 1400 Georgetown SC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=vE5c_H_kvUb1I9mjdFUswn42PEoNEK6EIgnaDy8LQw4ZJH4 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Anybody know if WGTN 1400 is currently Stereo ? I emailed their GM a few weeks back, and he told me it was on, but I only had the Motorola CQUAM radio, and I could not get any stereo seperation on my visit to Georgetown. Maybe he has another Stereo system. Juan From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Dec 19 17:21:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61256 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 01:21:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 01:21:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 01:21:49 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.55.48] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071219192136000191400003> for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:21:36 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <026401c842a7$1e6d2460$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:21:36 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=EDocT2ZLLZYAkwhOyA82VEgKuqQrei93T_9nA4YjuuxIrJkk_Z7l X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently you didn't read my message of several days ago. I'm old enough to remember when conservatives on talk radio were a rarity. I worked at KSTP in the start of their talk radio days back in the early 80s and by 1985 when I got sacked the only conservative voice on the station was Paul Harvey. Then they grudgingly added someone doing a 2-5AM Sunday night/Monday morning show. As Garfield the Cat would say, "Big fat hairy deal!" I remember the first station in my area to do an all talk format and it was all over the map, but then the fairness doctrine was in force. It was more left than right leaning as I recall. There was one right winger on another station but he was really off the wall, a John Birch Society type. It wasn't until Limbaugh went national that station owners realized the size of the market that wanted that type of programming. Back the NPR subject- I can tell some instances of unbalance. They were doing a report on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and they gave maybe two minutes to the Israeli side but seemingly gave the Palestinian* side all the time they wanted. Also, when they start giving more than a minute or two to a story about some aging surfer who got killed tackling a wave that was too big for him, you gotta wonder what it's all good for. Scott Todd *this is a misnomer if there ever was one. There never was a nation of Palestine, only a geographical region. The so-called Palestinians are actually of southern Syrian descent. ----- Original Message ----- From: Donn Tillman I believe one reason conservative radio does better mainly because they had at least a 20 head start on the liberal talk radio scene and that is to their credit; progressive/liberals just sat on their hands. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Dec 19 17:27:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59971 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 01:27:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 01:27:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 01:27:56 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.55.48] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071219192738001000700003> for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:27:38 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <026a01c842a7$f66efe60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000601c84062$b01b7020$50f63e47@joeandlynn> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:27:38 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} RADIO: NO HELP AT ALL! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=5qnNBfhadl-mQ6gJMA-TQ23xc77FXFh_XCmJXXd-3xUdu1r-YNvB X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude There's a lot that's made radio (or any business for that matter) very costly to run- higher minimum wage, workers comp, and don't forget all the new local, state and federal regulations regarding not just employees, but the type of paint that can go on the tower just to name one. I do agree that more stations could be live and local for much of the day and still be profitable, but there are a lot which would have to pull the plug. Doubtless there are a number of marginal signals that should. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Collins" From day one of my training I was told how important it was to watch the newswire, know how to use the EBS equipment and who to call to find out what the hell was going on if something happened. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 19 17:28:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63096 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 01:28:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 01:28:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 01:28:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23140 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2007 01:28:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: naGgUKgVM1nLhXs7kYz30nlnWvF7b2YW06BtWEdB6HCT09Tana_h8CL6Ld0HAojcFT6Zg6tR87EwNQvI0t2yw2X_Qc5ECrgIyXUnCsFDOVTSu0fZoZDtwLS.zg-- X-Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:28:25 PST Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:28:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <693804.22766.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=rKqQJUIbiIyMNNksZwxXsSSspneAncvWvQwlqETYCRXNUHuJlvNc4og X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio It also help to have the official in charge of the electron as your state campaign chairman. At least in Florida. Yep, here in our swing state of Ohio - they just realized that our electronic touchscreen voting machines can be 'tinkered with' - so they want to dump all $3 BiLLION dollars worth of machines into Lake Erie and go to optical scanning, so they can't 'buy' the election in Ohio like they did in 2004 when our GOP Secretary of State refused to NOT buy the machines from Diebold. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 19 19:14:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95000 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 03:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 03:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.232) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 03:14:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 85333 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2007 03:14:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xsZPA5cVM1lx_ggzLpb3dBSF3Q1I_g.RAa.s956gxee5WrifGy4nRTkpRjX0wmqVvPlqLcCKp4ftD8NzUEDDivyMkYYs_b76DIi8JjiWjKazaO1e8AA- X-Received: from [64.222.53.130] by web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:14:05 PST Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:14:05 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4769ADD0.5090003@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <178503.85009.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.amstereoradio.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=jDR455F1yFy96tasxLCcXOAn4H-Op4mVv0-Cu7ZRHoCsIOSaUNl4 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since nothing can be done now unless someone wants to spend $8Gazillion to get it back, now may be a good time to "rebrand." Another name with another extension. I have 1 in mind but don't want to print it here for fear of some squatter reading our list. We got 9-10 good years out of www.amstereoradio.com. I liked the station list there too. With the logos it reminded me of Alex's old site. Maybe before a new site goes up we should start with a new list of stations as well as radios. You know, really comprehensive. I'll admit I know NOTHING about web design. I dunno what kind of bandwidth we'd need (especially with audio files) but whatever it is, it should be FUN! You know, really make it POP! Every station logo should be listed with their station, we should bring back the hall of shame, & even list new gear including the Aspisys & Alfredo Xmtrs.. Again, I know nothing of web design & what this would take. BUT those guys that do, props to them! Ooh, how about a featured station of the week/month where people like Bill Norman & Michael J. are interviewed about their stations & what they had to do to get them in the shape they want or spotlight on the tech guys like Chris Cuff. I think I'm rambling! Jay Possum Hunter wrote: Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > OOPS.. Why in the world did I think Powell wrote that? LOL.. I'm sure I'll hear about it, HA! Yep, you are in for it when he gets online. Besides, I am MUCH better looking than Powell Kevin --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Dec 19 19:53:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35155 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 03:53:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 03:53:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.146) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 03:53:33 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.21]) by bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:52:45 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:52:45 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.14 by BLU108-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:52:38 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:52:38 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2007 03:52:45.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[C770DFC0:01C842BB] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=89fxOPASb3ovda7PTA72sMG1PsPZAgrIMC9tw3BJMJsqJo1ZrLS69F7AIAs X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently! ------------------------- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows Date: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:21 PM ? Apparently you didn't read my message of several days ago.................. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Dec 19 20:31:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1358 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 04:31:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 04:31:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 04:31:45 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u52so6534895pyb.10 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:31:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.116.12 with SMTP id t12mr1074376pym.52.1198125101177; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:31:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:31:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80712192031x79981eceu560f2318b8bd7933@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:31:41 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=19_wGa0R7ohFxYwq76PxyKt40YBVA0xQSdlL3VusHvxRXl7kvRz7fBF1 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Woops, I mean WQBQ *1240* *Paul* ** On Dec 19, 2007 7:23 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Yes,......... I was referring to WVLG-640 and WLBE-790. I visited WLBE > earlier this year and was impressed by their small but good facility; > several studios and they were converting an old storeroom to a news room. > > Unfortunately their (WLBE-790) signal at night is limited to mostly an > east-west pattern and they have to contend with the Cuban station > interference at night; where my parents live WLBE and WVLG boom in during > the day at night only WVLG is listenable of the two. (in the Ridge > Manor/Webster area). > > 1410 has been dark most of the last year, they have been dark the last two > weekends and Thanksgiving week. (don't know what the story is on that) > > I'm not familiar with 1210, will have to find out where they are located. > > Here is St. Pete just 73 miles s.s.e. of my parents', I can barely receive > 790 during the day (at night, it's a blend of 790-Miami or Cuba, depending > on which direction I turn my radio.) > > I receive the Cuban 640 day and night here; not a hint of WVLG this far > south. > > btw- if your familiar with south Florida radio; WQAM has more or less > fired Hank Goldberg and Neil Rogers will be leaving in about a year when his > current contract is up; both were asked to take a 50 percent cut to their > salary. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Wed Dec 19 20:58:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73018 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 04:58:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 04:58:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 04:58:52 -0000 X-Received: from webmail07.dca.untd.com (webmail07.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.147]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABDYV7WDAZNWWK2 for (sender ); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:58:43 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLHvnr3etOeUv82xZWW2Rcbg= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail07.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id M7DMP7HW; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:58:08 PST X-Received: from [99.129.25.163] by webmail07.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 04:58:06 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 04:58:06 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20071219.205806.22561.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ContentStamp: 10:5:661851138 X-MAIL-INFO:1700e4ade1a0f0e1f0f1a0f0f949b58180a13d013dd929cd2029d509099120659500ade59429e4e16df120a0c4c4454521a0e4 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.147|webmail07.dca.untd.com|webmail07.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=lVaN5fKJtEEezVQkdJLnhMC6QbLP2bu2jMLQYk241Q X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn The reason that Liberal talk radio has never succeeded is because its conce= pts are already in every facet of modern life. One talks about getting ones= news from PBS, NPR, CNN, and the other old time media outlets including ne= ws magazines and you have the liberal viewpoint. Talk radio generally prese= nts a different viewpoint so therefore it is interesting to listen to. The = audience for Air America Radio never developed because the natural audience= was already listening to NPR and other left leaning outlets. The conservat= ive audience was under served and ripe for a line of thinking that agreed w= ith their position on societal evolution. When the thought processes were n= o longer restricted by law (The Fairness Doctrine) there was an explosion o= f free speech and talk radio was born and set free. The process also return= ed value to AM broadcast facilities that were beginning to rust away. If a Martian landed in America and set out to determine the nation's offici= al state religion, he would have to conclude it is Liberalism, while Christ= ianity and Judaism are becoming prohibited by law. Many Americans are outraged by liberal hostility to traditional religion. T= o miss a larger point: liberalism is a religion ergo a godless one. And it is now entrenched as the state religion of this county. Though liberalism rejects the idea of God and reviles people of faith, it b= ears all the attributes of a religion. Let's throw open the doors of the Ch= urch of Liberalism, showing us its sacraments (abortion), its holy writ (Ro= e v. Wade), its martyrs (from Soviet spy Alger Hiss to cop-killer Mumia Abu= -Jamal), its clergy (public school teachers), its churches (government scho= ols, where prayer is prohibited but condoms are free), its doctrine of infa= llibility (as manifest in the "absolute moral authority" of spokesmen from = Cindy Sheehan to Max Cleland), and its cosmology (in which mankind is an in= consequential accident). Then, of course, there's the liberal creation myth: Charles Darwin's theory= of evolution. For liberals, evolution is the touchstone that separates the enlightened fr= om the benighted. But we can neatly reverse the pretense that liberals are = rationalists guided by the ideals of free inquiry and the scientific method= . Just expose the essential truth about Darwinian evolution that liberals r= efuse to confront: it is bogus science. Having a keen appreciation for genuine science, study reveals that the so-c= alled gaps in the theory of evolution are all there is=97Darwinism is nothi= ng but a gap. After 150 years of dedicated searching into the fossil record= , evolution's proponents have failed utterly to substantiate its claims. An= d a long line of supposed evidence, from the infamous Piltdown Man to the "= evolving" peppered moths of England, has been exposed as hoaxes. Still, lib= erals treat those who question evolution as religious heretics and prohibit= students from hearing about real science when it contradicts Darwinism. An= d these are the people who say they want to keep faith out of the classroom= ? Liberals' absolute devotion to Darwinism has nothing to do with evolution's= scientific validity and everything to do with its refusal to admit the pos= sibility of God as a guiding force. They will brook no challenges to the of= ficial religion. Fearlessly confronting the high priests of the Church of Liberalism=20 Liberals love to boast that they are not 'religious,' which is what one wou= ld expect to hear from the state-sanctioned religion. Of course liberalism = is a religion. It has its own cosmology, its own miracles, its own beliefs = in the supernatural, its own churches, its own high priests, its own saints= , its own total worldview, and its own explanation of the existence of the = universe. In other words, liberalism contains all the attributes of what is= generally known as 'religion. I could say "Merry Christmas" and I will even though I don't celebrate it. = I trust all of you religious types will have a great time. Don -- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: I have been reading the various inputs on this list concerning liberal vs. = conservative radio talkers. I am not certain if anyone can say for sure why liberal talk radio fails an= d conservative radio thrives, but as we say down south, "them be the facts".=20=20 I personally do not listen either version of talk radio, neither liberal or= conservative, as I have developed the habit over time of doing my own thinking, and forming my own = opinions based on facts that I discover and verify. I have neither the time or patience to l= isten to other people's opinions, which is what you get on talk radio, both conservative and libera= l. I listen to NPR as they are the best available for unbiased news reporting.= I also listen to the BBC via shortwave. I read the Chicago and Atlanta papers via the internet, with occasional for= ays to New York addresses. I also have subscriptions to several news maga= zines. With these sources, I believe I can think and come to conclusions b= ased on my own system of beliefs and practices. I doubt seriously whether anything I write will change the=20 listening habits of anyone, but I felt compelled to say them. =20 =20 MTGC (Michael) =20 _____________________________________________________________ Discount Online Trading - Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mJ8YGaQ35dH8Bwq6ynQaMMRT= GRlSeVnzUbVjdFMjSK4hP64/ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Dec 19 21:51:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28921 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 05:51:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 05:51:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 05:51:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44663 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2007 05:51:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Xz52Lk0VM1nC61o00Mh_wb9i8oLUnSGaXz5ldhnCMQIxu11bmWE4govz5wVQTb2qxI24U7WCmuCdjNkVc58cY475zlnSFko6RaTKyU5xSdRiQ_HpbMY- X-Received: from [24.192.189.76] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:51:01 PST Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:51:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <693804.22766.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <5104.43436.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=R6cGgggHTLKn-VQAvFnIj0UgRPOjC8G1EvSPAUpr6gSSyA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 As a former Cincinnatian, I gotta respond by quoting a former president..."I feel your pain!". Ohio has had more shenaningans going on in the election department than the Soviets had to deal with! Remember when ex-mayor/newscaster Jerry Springer (yes, THAT Jerry) was running for governor of Ohio? The opposition used a LOT of money to dig up a bounced check he had paid to a "lady of the evening". Wonder who paid for that research? And then the "conservatives" (you know, like the guy that preached against porn and then swindled hundreds of elderly out of their life savings) had to call in back-ups from out of town to try and run the decent and honorable Mayor Roxanne Qualls out of office, based on a rumor she might be a lesbian? Wonder who paid the plane fare for all those hypocrites? Like other respondents I've read on this thread, I too like to get the facts then come up with my own conclusions, but it is hard to get both sides of the story on the air when only one side can afford it. God bless independent radio!!! (Oh, I gotta run, the Art Bell/ show is coming on...now THERE is an open minded talk show, but all the talkies in Detroit are afraid to air it, so CKLW to the rescue again!) It's Christmas, a good time to put aside petty political differences and see that we have more in common than not, eh? If you are a decent law-abiding and compassionate human being, I salute you for that, regardless of color, creed, polling record, or stand on the IBOC issue. So Merry Christmas, happy holidays, and SMILE! George --- "John P." wrote: > It also help to have the official in charge of the > electron as your > state > campaign chairman. At least in Florida. > > Yep, here in our swing state of Ohio - they just > realized that our > electronic touchscreen voting machines can be > 'tinkered with' - so they > want to dump all $3 BiLLION dollars worth of > machines into Lake Erie > and go to optical scanning, so they can't 'buy' the > election in Ohio > like they did in 2004 when our GOP Secretary of > State refused to NOT > buy the machines from Diebold. > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Dec 19 22:33:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56576 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 06:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 06:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.205) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 06:33:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 97830 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2007 06:33:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nV_NG.QVM1m.7L_I6m8BvN7BkNTdOpEAs_iZtZfRtlKF_c2d4CMI0gfZCwofOP2sSfJPZfoXMuLhzd12foDbTUB3uRwllFOUe6OW_twCDRS485cWJHBDA_kkmLIDlw-- X-Received: from [24.192.189.76] by web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:33:11 PST Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:33:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20071219.205806.22561.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <611804.97792.qm@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=yZsKQJ3QbzpParHSseXdvEhIDRjCe_U1TYUckM0WnjpxBw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 You sure you're not a shadow writer for Rush? How would you define me, based on the following?: I am against abortion, gay marriage, and the legalization of any drug. I believe drug pushers are slow-motion serial killers, and should get the death penalty. I support all law and order, if fairly and equally applied to all people. I believe in creationism, and think evolution is a sick joke from Satan. and at the risk of being very politically incorrect, I am a born-again Bible-believing Christian. SO, I MUST BE A CONSERVATIVE, RIGHT? NOT SO FAST!!! What makes me opposite of the crowd who like to let Rush do their thinking for them, is that I believe anybody who does a fair day's work deserves a chance to keep a roof over their head, food on the table, and maybe even a little gas in their car. NO job if it exists is so lowly as to excuse slave labor! And I have more respect for the guy who mines the coal or uranium to power the computers of the world, than the crooks who look down on them from behind the tinted windows of their Ivory towers. Do I STILL sound like a conservative NOW? I would dare guess that most "conservatives" (if they even know what the word really means) have never worried about where their next meal is coming from. I have worked HARD all my life, making other's business a success, giving 110+% in every job, only to be laid off, looked down on, and called a "liberal". I think some of these so-called "conservatives" need to walk a mile in the shoes of the working class before they sit smugly and place labels on us. I was homeless once in the 70's, and swore I would never worship money or material things again, and I've kept that promise before God, family, and the world. Seems it all really comes down to money, doesn't it? Call me a lefty, call me a communist, call me a second-class citizen, but DON'T YOU EVER DARE CALL ME GODLESS, when I put God before anything...money, cars, status, titles...ANYTHING. I am sick of the right's use of "religion" to try and scare the rest of the people into thinking that they are right, when their real motive is to protect the status quo, and make sure that only "them that's got it, keep it!" I'm a righty's worst nightmare...I think for myself, and don't need some five-chinned pill-popping hypocritical hate-spewing sanctimonious weasel behind a gaudy gold-plated EV-20 to help me figure things out! Hope you at least won't accuse me of being politically-correct, 'cause there is a lot more where this came from! --- W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > The reason that Liberal talk radio has never > succeeded is because its concepts are already in > every facet of modern life. One talks about getting > ones news from PBS, NPR, CNN, and the other old time > media outlets including news magazines and you have > the liberal viewpoint. Talk radio generally presents > a different viewpoint so therefore it is interesting > to listen to. The audience for Air America Radio > never developed because the natural audience was > already listening to NPR and other left leaning > outlets. The conservative audience was under served > and ripe for a line of thinking that agreed with > their position on societal evolution. When the > thought processes were no longer restricted by law > (The Fairness Doctrine) there was an explosion of > free speech and talk radio was born and set free. > The process also returned value to AM broadcast > facilities that were beginning to rust away. > > If a Martian landed in America and set out to > determine the nation's official state religion, he > would have to conclude it is Liberalism, while > Christianity and Judaism are becoming prohibited by > law. > > Many Americans are outraged by liberal hostility to > traditional religion. To miss a larger point: > liberalism is a religion ergo a godless one. > > And it is now entrenched as the state religion of > this county. > > Though liberalism rejects the idea of God and > reviles people of faith, it bears all the attributes > of a religion. Let's throw open the doors of the > Church of Liberalism, showing us its sacraments > (abortion), its holy writ (Roe v. Wade), its martyrs > (from Soviet spy Alger Hiss to cop-killer Mumia > Abu-Jamal), its clergy (public school teachers), its > churches (government schools, where prayer is > prohibited but condoms are free), its doctrine of > infallibility (as manifest in the "absolute moral > authority" of spokesmen from Cindy Sheehan to Max > Cleland), and its cosmology (in which mankind is an > inconsequential accident). > > Then, of course, there's the liberal creation myth: > Charles Darwin's theory of evolution. > > For liberals, evolution is the touchstone that > separates the enlightened from the benighted. But we > can neatly reverse the pretense that liberals are > rationalists guided by the ideals of free inquiry > and the scientific method. Just expose the essential > truth about Darwinian evolution that liberals refuse > to confront: it is bogus science. > > Having a keen appreciation for genuine science, > study reveals that the so-called gaps in the theory > of evolution are all there is—Darwinism is nothing > but a gap. After 150 years of dedicated searching > into the fossil record, evolution's proponents have > failed utterly to substantiate its claims. And a > long line of supposed evidence, from the infamous > Piltdown Man to the "evolving" peppered moths of > England, has been exposed as hoaxes. Still, liberals > treat those who question evolution as religious > heretics and prohibit students from hearing about > real science when it contradicts Darwinism. And > these are the people who say they want to keep faith > out of the classroom? > > Liberals' absolute devotion to Darwinism has nothing > to do with evolution's scientific validity and > everything to do with its refusal to admit the > possibility of God as a guiding force. They will > brook no challenges to the official religion. > > Fearlessly confronting the high priests of the > Church of Liberalism > > Liberals love to boast that they are not > 'religious,' which is what one would expect to hear > from the state-sanctioned religion. Of course > liberalism is a religion. It has its own cosmology, > its own miracles, its own beliefs in the > supernatural, its own churches, its own high > priests, its own saints, its own total worldview, > and its own explanation of the existence of the > universe. In other words, liberalism contains all > the attributes of what is generally known as > 'religion. > > I could say "Merry Christmas" and I will even though > I don't celebrate it. I trust all of you religious > types will have a great time. > > Don > > -- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO > wrote: > > > I have been reading the various inputs on this list > concerning liberal vs. conservative radio talkers. > I am not certain if anyone can say for sure why > liberal talk radio fails and conservative radio > thrives, > but as we say down south, "them be the facts". > I personally do not listen either version of talk > radio, neither liberal or conservative, as I have > developed the habit over time of doing my own > thinking, and forming my own opinions based on > facts that I discover and verify. I have neither > the time or patience to listen to other people's > opinions, which is what you get on talk radio, both > conservative and liberal. > I listen to NPR as they are the best available for > unbiased news reporting. I also listen to the BBC > via shortwave. > I read the Chicago and Atlanta papers via the > internet, with occasional forays to New York > addresses. I also have subscriptions to several > news magazines. With these sources, I believe I can > think and come to conclusions based on my own system > of beliefs and practices. > I doubt seriously whether anything I write will > change the > listening habits of anyone, but I felt compelled to > say them. > > > MTGC (Michael) > > _____________________________________________________________ > Discount Online Trading - Click Now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mJ8YGaQ35dH8Bwq6ynQaMMRTGRlSeVnzUbVjdFMjSK4hP64/ > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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Jim s [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Wed Dec 19 22:55:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58789 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 06:55:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 06:55:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 06:55:14 -0000 X-Received: from webmail01.dca.untd.com (webmail20.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.160]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABDYWEQKAHVAPYS for (sender ); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:55:05 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLsNrMD9vlHmLEOMn3bVSLW77eajPMtHUZ4= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail20.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id M7DUCNRB; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:54:10 PST X-Received: from [99.129.25.163] by webmail20.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 06:53:48 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 06:53:48 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20071219.225348.11775.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ContentStamp: 88:44:207652967 X-MAIL-INFO:5b60a114b9bdd5b9d54dbdd5443db438892139dd39ed3479d934551919c1d920256014010034a1b9f04dd9bda9a9c9c950bda1e1a499d03131d465d46d9954f4543de970c049f049edb1adc0f96141a0c9501949242db465b549651dd4b1d42d54656ded21f4384d81bd090910d5954481299510f42585b5117190c1155dd93874e1091171a1607004f50549d580cd29608095bd4d2d0df5e53d84ade1b094e4e9a0c9eded4140c4c438c4307d55301939b500f12d8d9985f4f9d0b49404b1541dd994f4b4ed60301d30c4552561f11df455b5744574303455259d0179ad85609dc12525b5d54dd5c1c1b4cdc1bd3d44f5952991cd91fd09e990 f179b54da5e070b0e9b0adf0e0f161758d21a0f1b0f0fd65b91db0c965315135b4f41df49d2d6dd4 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.160|webmail20.dca.untd.com|webmail01.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=0L2OtUtTe1rpFg6arLzVefIMTWX8Ww1ZftbqtV4hJw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn You are a Populist! That was easy. -- george russell wrote: You sure you're not a shadow writer for Rush? How would you define me, based on the following?: I am against abortion, gay marriage, and the legalization of any drug. I believe drug pushers are slow-motion serial killers, and should get the death penalty. I support all law and order, if fairly and equally applied to all people. I believe in creationism, and think evolution is a sick joke from Satan. and at the risk of being very politically incorrect, I am a born-again Bible-believing Christian. SO, I MUST BE A CONSERVATIVE, RIGHT? NOT SO FAST!!! What makes me opposite of the crowd who like to let Rush do their thinking for them, is that I believe anybody who does a fair day's work deserves a chance to keep a roof over their head, food on the table, and maybe even a little gas in their car. NO job if it exists is so lowly as to excuse slave labor! And I have more respect for the guy who mines the coal or uranium to power the computers of the world, than the crooks who look down on them from behind the tinted windows of their Ivory towers. Do I STILL sound like a conservative NOW?=20=20=20 I would dare guess that most "conservatives" (if they even know what the word really means) have never worried about where their next meal is coming from. I have worked HARD all my life, making other's business a success, giving 110+% in every job, only to be laid off, looked down on, and called a "liberal". I think some of these so-called "conservatives" need to walk a mile in the shoes of the working class before they sit smugly and place labels on us. I was homeless once in the 70's, and swore I would never worship money or material things again, and I've kept that promise before God, family, and the world. Seems it all really comes down to money, doesn't it? Call me a lefty, call me a communist, call me a second-class citizen, but DON'T YOU EVER DARE CALL ME GODLESS, when I put God before anything...money, cars, status, titles...ANYTHING. I am sick of the right's use of "religion" to try and scare the rest of the people into thinking that they are right, when their real motive is to protect the status quo, and make sure that only "them that's got it, keep it!" I'm a righty's worst nightmare...I think for myself, and don't need some five-chinned pill-popping hypocritical hate-spewing sanctimonious weasel behind a gaudy gold-plated EV-20 to help me figure things out! Hope you at least won't accuse me of being politically-correct, 'cause there is a lot more where this came from! =20=20 --- W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > The reason that Liberal talk radio has never > succeeded is because its concepts are already in > every facet of modern life. One talks about getting > ones news from PBS, NPR, CNN, and the other old time > media outlets including news magazines and you have > the liberal viewpoint. Talk radio generally presents > a different viewpoint so therefore it is interesting > to listen to. The audience for Air America Radio > never developed because the natural audience was > already listening to NPR and other left leaning > outlets. The conservative audience was under served > and ripe for a line of thinking that agreed with > their position on societal evolution. When the > thought processes were no longer restricted by law > (The Fairness Doctrine) there was an explosion of > free speech and talk radio was born and set free. > The process also returned value to AM broadcast > facilities that were beginning to rust away. >=20 > If a Martian landed in America and set out to > determine the nation's official state religion, he > would have to conclude it is Liberalism, while > Christianity and Judaism are becoming prohibited by > law. >=20 > Many Americans are outraged by liberal hostility to > traditional religion. To miss a larger point: > liberalism is a religion ergo a godless one. >=20 > And it is now entrenched as the state religion of > this county. >=20 > Though liberalism rejects the idea of God and > reviles people of faith, it bears all the attributes > of a religion. Let's throw open the doors of the > Church of Liberalism, showing us its sacraments > (abortion), its holy writ (Roe v. Wade), its martyrs > (from Soviet spy Alger Hiss to cop-killer Mumia > Abu-Jamal), its clergy (public school teachers), its > churches (government schools, where prayer is > prohibited but condoms are free), its doctrine of > infallibility (as manifest in the "absolute moral > authority" of spokesmen from Cindy Sheehan to Max > Cleland), and its cosmology (in which mankind is an > inconsequential accident). >=20 > Then, of course, there's the liberal creation myth: > Charles Darwin's theory of evolution. >=20 > For liberals, evolution is the touchstone that > separates the enlightened from the benighted. But we > can neatly reverse the pretense that liberals are > rationalists guided by the ideals of free inquiry > and the scientific method. Just expose the essential > truth about Darwinian evolution that liberals refuse > to confront: it is bogus science. >=20 > Having a keen appreciation for genuine science, > study reveals that the so-called gaps in the theory > of evolution are all there is=97Darwinism is nothing > but a gap. After 150 years of dedicated searching > into the fossil record, evolution's proponents have > failed utterly to substantiate its claims. And a > long line of supposed evidence, from the infamous > Piltdown Man to the "evolving" peppered moths of > England, has been exposed as hoaxes. Still, liberals > treat those who question evolution as religious > heretics and prohibit students from hearing about > real science when it contradicts Darwinism. And > these are the people who say they want to keep faith > out of the classroom? >=20 > Liberals' absolute devotion to Darwinism has nothing > to do with evolution's scientific validity and > everything to do with its refusal to admit the > possibility of God as a guiding force. They will > brook no challenges to the official religion. >=20 > Fearlessly confronting the high priests of the > Church of Liberalism=20 >=20 > Liberals love to boast that they are not > 'religious,' which is what one would expect to hear > from the state-sanctioned religion. Of course > liberalism is a religion. It has its own cosmology, > its own miracles, its own beliefs in the > supernatural, its own churches, its own high > priests, its own saints, its own total worldview, > and its own explanation of the existence of the > universe. In other words, liberalism contains all > the attributes of what is generally known as > 'religion. >=20 > I could say "Merry Christmas" and I will even though > I don't celebrate it. I trust all of you religious > types will have a great time. >=20 > Don >=20 > -- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO > wrote: >=20 >=20 > I have been reading the various inputs on this list > concerning liberal vs. conservative radio talkers. > I am not certain if anyone can say for sure why > liberal talk radio fails and conservative radio > thrives, > but as we say down south, "them be the facts".=20=20 > I personally do not listen either version of talk > radio, neither liberal or conservative, as I have > developed the habit over time of doing my own > thinking, and forming my own opinions based on > facts that I discover and verify. I have neither > the time or patience to listen to other people's > opinions, which is what you get on talk radio, both > conservative and liberal. > I listen to NPR as they are the best available for > unbiased news reporting. I also listen to the BBC > via shortwave. > I read the Chicago and Atlanta papers via the > internet, with occasional forays to New York > addresses. I also have subscriptions to several > news magazines. With these sources, I believe I can > think and come to conclusions based on my own system > of beliefs and practices. > I doubt seriously whether anything I write will > change the=20 > listening habits of anyone, but I felt compelled to > say them. >=20=20 >=20=20 > MTGC (Michael) >=20=20 > _____________________________________________________________ > Discount Online Trading - Click Now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mJ8YGaQ35dH8Bwq6ynQaMMRT= GRlSeVnzUbVjdFMjSK4hP64/ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > Yahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 >=20 _____________________________________________________________________= _______________ Looking for last minute shopping deals?=20=20 Find them fast with Yahoo! 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KOOL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071219-0, 12/19/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 204.127.217.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "J Gualda Q Media" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=T4_6MVKAEaBBPy8vNA4kQzU85KfB-sQkIm2cYA3DwI8elQw X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane No offense Don, but just because someone isn't a "right winger" doesn't mean they do not believe in God. If you seriously think that Jesus is a Republican, then you should go back and read the Bible. This is the kind of pap that I hear by some of the nuts on the radio....another reason I can't stand to listen. Like I said, ignorance is bliss. Yes, some Liberals do not believe In god, but there are conservatives that do not believe either. Let's get back to talking about AM Stereo, and leave this to the Glen Beck and Sanity shows. Juan ----- Original Message ----- From: "W6YN Don Milbury" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:58 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows The reason that Liberal talk radio has never succeeded is because its concepts are already in every facet of modern life. One talks about getting ones news from PBS, NPR, CNN, and the other old time media outlets including news magazines and you have the liberal viewpoint. Talk radio generally presents a different viewpoint so therefore it is interesting to listen to. The audience for Air America Radio never developed because the natural audience was already listening to NPR and other left leaning outlets. The conservative audience was under served and ripe for a line of thinking that agreed with their position on societal evolution. When the thought processes were no longer restricted by law (The Fairness Doctrine) there was an explosion of free speech and talk radio was born and set free. The process also returned value to AM broadcast facilities that were beginning to rust away. If a Martian landed in America and set out to determine the nation's official state religion, he would have to conclude it is Liberalism, while Christianity and Judaism are becoming prohibited by law. Many Americans are outraged by liberal hostility to traditional religion. To miss a larger point: liberalism is a religion ergo a godless one. And it is now entrenched as the state religion of this county. Though liberalism rejects the idea of God and reviles people of faith, it bears all the attributes of a religion. Let's throw open the doors of the Church of Liberalism, showing us its sacraments (abortion), its holy writ (Roe v. Wade), its martyrs (from Soviet spy Alger Hiss to cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal), its clergy (public school teachers), its churches (government schools, where prayer is prohibited but condoms are free), its doctrine of infallibility (as manifest in the "absolute moral authority" of spokesmen from Cindy Sheehan to Max Cleland), and its cosmology (in which mankind is an inconsequential accident). Then, of course, there's the liberal creation myth: Charles Darwin's theory of evolution. For liberals, evolution is the touchstone that separates the enlightened from the benighted. But we can neatly reverse the pretense that liberals are rationalists guided by the ideals of free inquiry and the scientific method. Just expose the essential truth about Darwinian evolution that liberals refuse to confront: it is bogus science. Having a keen appreciation for genuine science, study reveals that the so-called gaps in the theory of evolution are all there is-Darwinism is nothing but a gap. After 150 years of dedicated searching into the fossil record, evolution's proponents have failed utterly to substantiate its claims. And a long line of supposed evidence, from the infamous Piltdown Man to the "evolving" peppered moths of England, has been exposed as hoaxes. Still, liberals treat those who question evolution as religious heretics and prohibit students from hearing about real science when it contradicts Darwinism. And these are the people who say they want to keep faith out of the classroom? Liberals' absolute devotion to Darwinism has nothing to do with evolution's scientific validity and everything to do with its refusal to admit the possibility of God as a guiding force. They will brook no challenges to the official religion. Fearlessly confronting the high priests of the Church of Liberalism Liberals love to boast that they are not 'religious,' which is what one would expect to hear from the state-sanctioned religion. Of course liberalism is a religion. It has its own cosmology, its own miracles, its own beliefs in the supernatural, its own churches, its own high priests, its own saints, its own total worldview, and its own explanation of the existence of the universe. In other words, liberalism contains all the attributes of what is generally known as 'religion. I could say "Merry Christmas" and I will even though I don't celebrate it. I trust all of you religious types will have a great time. Don -- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: I have been reading the various inputs on this list concerning liberal vs. conservative radio talkers. I am not certain if anyone can say for sure why liberal talk radio fails and conservative radio thrives, but as we say down south, "them be the facts". I personally do not listen either version of talk radio, neither liberal or conservative, as I have developed the habit over time of doing my own thinking, and forming my own opinions based on facts that I discover and verify. I have neither the time or patience to listen to other people's opinions, which is what you get on talk radio, both conservative and liberal. I listen to NPR as they are the best available for unbiased news reporting. I also listen to the BBC via shortwave. I read the Chicago and Atlanta papers via the internet, with occasional forays to New York addresses. I also have subscriptions to several news magazines. With these sources, I believe I can think and come to conclusions based on my own system of beliefs and practices. I doubt seriously whether anything I write will change the listening habits of anyone, but I felt compelled to say them. MTGC (Michael) _____________________________________________________________ Discount Online Trading - Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mJ8YGaQ35dH8Bwq6ynQaMMRTGRlSeVnzUbVjdFMjSK4hP64/ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Dec 19 23:02:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 844 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 07:02:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 07:02:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.130) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 07:02:58 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2007 07:02:54 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2007 07:02:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2007 07:02:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:02:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <611804.97792.qm@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.50.10 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=83wD5Aw4y4SL1OntInUfBPN8wpMaVJYLALXI-_VbObCWIYY X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Well said George.... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > You sure you're not a shadow writer for Rush? >=20 > How would you define me, based on the following?: >=20 > I am against abortion, gay marriage, and the > legalization of any drug. > I believe drug pushers are slow-motion serial killers, > and should get the death penalty. >=20 > I support all law and order, if fairly and equally > applied to all people. >=20 > I believe in creationism, and think evolution is a > sick joke from Satan. >=20 > and at the risk of being very politically incorrect, I > am a born-again Bible-believing Christian. >=20 > SO, I MUST BE A CONSERVATIVE, RIGHT? NOT SO FAST!!! >=20 > What makes me opposite of the crowd who like to let > Rush do their thinking for them, is that I believe > anybody who does a fair day's work deserves a chance > to keep a roof over their head, food on the table, and > maybe even a little gas in their car. NO job if it > exists is so lowly as to excuse slave labor! And I > have more respect for the guy who mines the coal or > uranium to power the computers of the world, than the > crooks who look down on them from behind the tinted > windows of their Ivory towers. >=20 > Do I STILL sound like a conservative NOW?=20=20=20 >=20 > I would dare guess that most "conservatives" (if they > even know what the word really means) have never > worried about where their next meal is coming from. I > have worked HARD all my life, making other's business > a success, giving 110+% in every job, only to be laid > off, looked down on, and called a "liberal". I think > some of these so-called "conservatives" need to walk a > mile in the shoes of the working class before they sit > smugly and place labels on us. I was homeless once in > the 70's, and swore I would never worship money or > material things again, and I've kept that promise > before God, family, and the world. >=20 > Seems it all really comes down to money, doesn't it? >=20 > Call me a lefty, call me a communist, call me a > second-class citizen, but DON'T YOU EVER DARE CALL ME > GODLESS, when I put God before anything...money, cars, > status, titles...ANYTHING. I am sick of the right's > use of "religion" to try and scare the rest of the > people into thinking that they are right, when their > real motive is to protect the status quo, and make > sure that only "them that's got it, keep it!" >=20 > I'm a righty's worst nightmare...I think for myself, > and don't need some five-chinned pill-popping > hypocritical hate-spewing sanctimonious weasel behind > a gaudy gold-plated EV-20 to help me figure things > out! >=20 > Hope you at least won't accuse me of being > politically-correct, 'cause there is a lot more where > this came from! >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- W6YN Don Milbury wrote: >=20 > > The reason that Liberal talk radio has never > > succeeded is because its concepts are already in > > every facet of modern life. One talks about getting > > ones news from PBS, NPR, CNN, and the other old time > > media outlets including news magazines and you have > > the liberal viewpoint. Talk radio generally presents > > a different viewpoint so therefore it is interesting > > to listen to. The audience for Air America Radio > > never developed because the natural audience was > > already listening to NPR and other left leaning > > outlets. The conservative audience was under served > > and ripe for a line of thinking that agreed with > > their position on societal evolution. When the > > thought processes were no longer restricted by law > > (The Fairness Doctrine) there was an explosion of > > free speech and talk radio was born and set free. > > The process also returned value to AM broadcast > > facilities that were beginning to rust away. > >=20 > > If a Martian landed in America and set out to > > determine the nation's official state religion, he > > would have to conclude it is Liberalism, while > > Christianity and Judaism are becoming prohibited by > > law. > >=20 > > Many Americans are outraged by liberal hostility to > > traditional religion. To miss a larger point: > > liberalism is a religion ergo a godless one. > >=20 > > And it is now entrenched as the state religion of > > this county. > >=20 > > Though liberalism rejects the idea of God and > > reviles people of faith, it bears all the attributes > > of a religion. Let's throw open the doors of the > > Church of Liberalism, showing us its sacraments > > (abortion), its holy writ (Roe v. Wade), its martyrs > > (from Soviet spy Alger Hiss to cop-killer Mumia > > Abu-Jamal), its clergy (public school teachers), its > > churches (government schools, where prayer is > > prohibited but condoms are free), its doctrine of > > infallibility (as manifest in the "absolute moral > > authority" of spokesmen from Cindy Sheehan to Max > > Cleland), and its cosmology (in which mankind is an > > inconsequential accident). > >=20 > > Then, of course, there's the liberal creation myth: > > Charles Darwin's theory of evolution. > >=20 > > For liberals, evolution is the touchstone that > > separates the enlightened from the benighted. But we > > can neatly reverse the pretense that liberals are > > rationalists guided by the ideals of free inquiry > > and the scientific method. Just expose the essential > > truth about Darwinian evolution that liberals refuse > > to confront: it is bogus science. > >=20 > > Having a keen appreciation for genuine science, > > study reveals that the so-called gaps in the theory > > of evolution are all there is=97Darwinism is nothing > > but a gap. After 150 years of dedicated searching > > into the fossil record, evolution's proponents have > > failed utterly to substantiate its claims. And a > > long line of supposed evidence, from the infamous > > Piltdown Man to the "evolving" peppered moths of > > England, has been exposed as hoaxes. Still, liberals > > treat those who question evolution as religious > > heretics and prohibit students from hearing about > > real science when it contradicts Darwinism. And > > these are the people who say they want to keep faith > > out of the classroom? > >=20 > > Liberals' absolute devotion to Darwinism has nothing > > to do with evolution's scientific validity and > > everything to do with its refusal to admit the > > possibility of God as a guiding force. They will > > brook no challenges to the official religion. > >=20 > > Fearlessly confronting the high priests of the > > Church of Liberalism=20 > >=20 > > Liberals love to boast that they are not > > 'religious,' which is what one would expect to hear > > from the state-sanctioned religion. Of course > > liberalism is a religion. It has its own cosmology, > > its own miracles, its own beliefs in the > > supernatural, its own churches, its own high > > priests, its own saints, its own total worldview, > > and its own explanation of the existence of the > > universe. In other words, liberalism contains all > > the attributes of what is generally known as > > 'religion. > >=20 > > I could say "Merry Christmas" and I will even though > > I don't celebrate it. I trust all of you religious > > types will have a great time. > >=20 > > Don > >=20 > > -- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO > > wrote: > >=20 > >=20 > > I have been reading the various inputs on this list > > concerning liberal vs. conservative radio talkers. > > I am not certain if anyone can say for sure why > > liberal talk radio fails and conservative radio > > thrives, > > but as we say down south, "them be the facts".=20=20 > > I personally do not listen either version of talk > > radio, neither liberal or conservative, as I have > > developed the habit over time of doing my own > > thinking, and forming my own opinions based on > > facts that I discover and verify. I have neither > > the time or patience to listen to other people's > > opinions, which is what you get on talk radio, both > > conservative and liberal. > > I listen to NPR as they are the best available for > > unbiased news reporting. I also listen to the BBC > > via shortwave. > > I read the Chicago and Atlanta papers via the > > internet, with occasional forays to New York > > addresses. I also have subscriptions to several > > news magazines. With these sources, I believe I can > > think and come to conclusions based on my own system > > of beliefs and practices. > > I doubt seriously whether anything I write will > > change the=20 > > listening habits of anyone, but I felt compelled to > > say them. > >=20=20 > >=20=20 > > MTGC (Michael) > >=20=20 > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Discount Online Trading - Click Now! > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mJ8YGaQ35dH8Bwq6ynQaMMRT= GRlSeVnzUbVjdFMjSK4hP64/ > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum=20 > > Yahoo! Groups Links > >=20 > >=20 > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 ___________________________________________________________________________= _________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals?=20=20 > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.=20 http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=3Dshopping > From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Dec 19 23:14:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98202 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 07:14:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 07:14:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.33) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 07:14:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2007 07:14:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2007 07:14:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:14:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00ae01c842d5$a025fad0$7c01a8c0@owner2d075f959> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.50.10 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows...& Savage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=8HU4vSzccs-oEByB6K2H9vZaTlsbrnz9-NYWYOLy8RYE2VA X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "J Gualda Q Media" wrote: > Let's get back to talking about AM Stereo, and leave this to the Glen Beck=20 > and Sanity shows. >=20 >=20 > Juan I stand corrected....the Hannity show....yikes.... :-) By the way, for the Michaels Savage listeners out there, if you ever hear him change subjects in the middle of one of his rants, it is because his Producer has been instructed to play a previous segemnt, usually a best of, because Savage has been known to lose control. This is honest to goodness true. He has said things that have gotten him in trouble. This way...he is saved from himself and future apologies etc... I have heard it happen, and it happens when he is really upset, spitting and stammering....yep, listen to his show fadeout and he is back in a split second talking about a completely different subject. It is the Amazing Savage! Multi topic show host. It's really funny. From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Dec 19 23:44:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15291 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 07:44:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 07:44:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 07:44:55 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c24.29e96100 (41811) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:44:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:44:48 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5006 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=pAo5s321_LdFgwvz4zYyul1niW97-OmA14n9uwsvsdxJ_TGFIGMUfJ7s-HDaQRf_ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My apologies as it appears I am the guilty party for having started this thread with a tongue and cheek comment about talk radio. Personally, I'd like to hear more about KSTP's tower. Mike **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Dec 20 07:50:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12015 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 15:50:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 15:50:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 15:50:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 67681 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2007 15:50:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BUV80_YVM1kSw26bezuDL4a2ypbb0h3E4gbP1yHx X-Received: from [209.213.19.10] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:50:17 PST Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:50:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <602259.67507.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=8l8psNFAZtcfdM50r9fR1NUqRk2PfGAaEBzO01NiL9c X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Hate radio = anything the hardcore left doesn't agree with. Name calling. Hate speech = anything the hard core doesn't agree with. And potential censorship at its worst. Sneaky .... pervasive PC Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 20 07:51:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41932 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 15:51:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 15:51:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.127) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 15:51:07 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2007 15:51:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2007 15:51:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2007 15:51:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:51:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c842d4$073b83e0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.7.83.73 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: And now for some thing compleatly differant !!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=iMe6vt3TnIAn2rUQ0En6FlFZX55g4SwS5DsIOVVWiWvwW-UbKvrESPYibMSXlrYcGOfcR8Vw X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang Some one said here that if you give the A.L more voltage you=20 could get more range out of it. So would that be true if you give it=20 less voltage you can get less range out of it for night use ?Politics=20 YUK!!!!!!! Jim s >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Lets ask this again. Jim S From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Dec 20 07:54:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67629 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 15:54:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 15:54:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 15:54:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63558 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2007 15:54:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0nLP1WUVM1nmDdyaHkQOQ0ZPPXxhbFPQ5RQIySyk3F.TV9SVayj8Vm_VsE7fYx3RgTvoJxn_oA-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.10] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:54:05 PST Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:54:05 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4769ADD0.5090003@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <293252.61157.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.amstereoradio.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=B5kmOysqxLUmtmR8wzPIiuiaqNPDOx716gFB6neS1ZE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > > OOPS.. Why in the world did I think Powell wrote > that? LOL.. I'm sure I'll hear about it, HA! > > Yep, you are in for it when he gets online. Besides, > I am MUCH better > looking than Powell KOFFFFF!!!! Now, breakfast went everywhere. Send me that new Mac laptop to replace this one please.... ]:) Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Dec 20 08:05:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37670 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 16:05:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 16:05:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.190) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 16:05:39 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f5so2907624rvb.56 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:05:38 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.179.25 with SMTP id b25mr88290rvf.117.1198166738455; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:05:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y78sm45922025pyg.2007.12.20.08.05.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:05:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <476A92C4.6090101@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:05:24 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <293252.61157.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <293252.61157.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} www.amstereoradio.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=0aqrFfrWC1-ggl8-GLB2Zg-WPNDAkg_sTRI9SHyvTlgYtDg7iflXMBGxaIpoig X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > KOFFFFF!!!! Now, breakfast went everywhere. Send me that new Mac laptop to replace this one please.... I knew THAT post would bring ya out of the woodwork! LOL Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Dec 20 08:10:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66329 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 16:10:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 16:10:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.159) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 16:10:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 60195 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2007 16:10:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 61JXgZwVM1mI8mBP5gvBLt5CkxqGWcsp4XPC5KvnDnwrlDLYquIGinWVoJGf6lb22TxNT0.7Nw-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.10] by web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:10:59 PST Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:10:59 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c842d4$073b83e0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <186292.59142.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} And now for some thing compleatly differant !!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ELPLveSzhYsy62LUnAV58Z0Q_aDhr8V3LyJ5uCaQ5gU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi Gang Some one said here that if you give the A.L > more voltage you could get more rang out of it. So > would that be true if you give it less voltage you > can get less range out of it for night use NOOOOOOOOOOOO Chris told me to be VERY careful with voltages as some chips can't take more voltage. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Dec 20 10:46:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36746 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 18:46:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 18:46:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 18:46:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44205 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2007 18:46:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gFsEoTEVM1lbmJ1wxrxEN7UqSkHIZA7gcoDklHGdu96TMK5CF0LOSRE7_XH4oJb234dZN5giJOyEa5hf6okhvGWCO.u1a3GAcW7tFlmMoZdVWeVOpRpaA70ZWeHEGQ-- X-Received: from [24.192.189.76] by web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:46:13 PST Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:46:13 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <411455.42844.qm@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=OCPQQ5UrGhVSLB9Qa2pu761-K0pOXenG_7lEFjbjbKs7Jg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Thanks, I guess I got a bit passionate there. When I joined this forum, I thought left and right discussions referred to the two audio channels! Instead of C-QUAM vs. ISB vs. PMX, I keep seeing Rush vs. Hartmann, liberal vs. conservative, etc. Politics is a good name for it...poly=many, tics=bloodsuckers! I am neither hateful, nor vengeful, and STILL wish ALL SIDES a Merry Christmas! George --- Juan Gualda wrote: > Well said George.... > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > wrote: > > > > You sure you're not a shadow writer for Rush? > > > > How would you define me, based on the following?: > > > > I am against abortion, gay marriage, and the > > legalization of any drug. > > I believe drug pushers are slow-motion serial > killers, > > and should get the death penalty. > > > > I support all law and order, if fairly and equally > > applied to all people. > > > > I believe in creationism, and think evolution is a > > sick joke from Satan. > > > > and at the risk of being very politically > incorrect, I > > am a born-again Bible-believing Christian. > > > > SO, I MUST BE A CONSERVATIVE, RIGHT? NOT SO > FAST!!! > > > > What makes me opposite of the crowd who like to > let > > Rush do their thinking for them, is that I believe > > anybody who does a fair day's work deserves a > chance > > to keep a roof over their head, food on the table, > and > > maybe even a little gas in their car. NO job if > it > > exists is so lowly as to excuse slave labor! And > I > > have more respect for the guy who mines the coal > or > > uranium to power the computers of the world, than > the > > crooks who look down on them from behind the > tinted > > windows of their Ivory towers. > > > > Do I STILL sound like a conservative NOW? > > > > I would dare guess that most "conservatives" (if > they > > even know what the word really means) have never > > worried about where their next meal is coming > from. I > > have worked HARD all my life, making other's > business > > a success, giving 110+% in every job, only to be > laid > > off, looked down on, and called a "liberal". I > think > > some of these so-called "conservatives" need to > walk a > > mile in the shoes of the working class before they > sit > > smugly and place labels on us. I was homeless > once in > > the 70's, and swore I would never worship money or > > material things again, and I've kept that promise > > before God, family, and the world. > > > > Seems it all really comes down to money, doesn't > it? > > > > Call me a lefty, call me a communist, call me a > > second-class citizen, but DON'T YOU EVER DARE CALL > ME > > GODLESS, when I put God before anything...money, > cars, > > status, titles...ANYTHING. I am sick of the > right's > > use of "religion" to try and scare the rest of the > > people into thinking that they are right, when > their > > real motive is to protect the status quo, and make > > sure that only "them that's got it, keep it!" > > > > I'm a righty's worst nightmare...I think for > myself, > > and don't need some five-chinned pill-popping > > hypocritical hate-spewing sanctimonious weasel > behind > > a gaudy gold-plated EV-20 to help me figure things > > out! > > > > Hope you at least won't accuse me of being > > politically-correct, 'cause there is a lot more > where > > this came from! > > > > > > > > --- W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > > > > The reason that Liberal talk radio has never > > > succeeded is because its concepts are already in > > > every facet of modern life. One talks about > getting > > > ones news from PBS, NPR, CNN, and the other old > time > > > media outlets including news magazines and you > have > > > the liberal viewpoint. Talk radio generally > presents > > > a different viewpoint so therefore it is > interesting > > > to listen to. The audience for Air America Radio > > > never developed because the natural audience was > > > already listening to NPR and other left leaning > > > outlets. The conservative audience was under > served > > > and ripe for a line of thinking that agreed with > > > their position on societal evolution. When the > > > thought processes were no longer restricted by > law > > > (The Fairness Doctrine) there was an explosion > of > > > free speech and talk radio was born and set > free. > > > The process also returned value to AM broadcast > > > facilities that were beginning to rust away. > > > > > > If a Martian landed in America and set out to > > > determine the nation's official state religion, > he > > > would have to conclude it is Liberalism, while > > > Christianity and Judaism are becoming prohibited > by > > > law. > > > > > > Many Americans are outraged by liberal hostility > to > > > traditional religion. To miss a larger point: > > > liberalism is a religion ergo a godless one. > > > > > > And it is now entrenched as the state religion > of > > > this county. > > > > > > Though liberalism rejects the idea of God and > > > reviles people of faith, it bears all the > attributes > > > of a religion. Let's throw open the doors of the > > > Church of Liberalism, showing us its sacraments > > > (abortion), its holy writ (Roe v. Wade), its > martyrs > > > (from Soviet spy Alger Hiss to cop-killer Mumia > > > Abu-Jamal), its clergy (public school teachers), > its > > > churches (government schools, where prayer is > > > prohibited but condoms are free), its doctrine > of > > > infallibility (as manifest in the "absolute > moral > > > authority" of spokesmen from Cindy Sheehan to > Max > > > Cleland), and its cosmology (in which mankind is > an > > > inconsequential accident). > > > > > > Then, of course, there's the liberal creation > myth: > > > Charles Darwin's theory of evolution. > > > > > > For liberals, evolution is the touchstone that > > > separates the enlightened from the benighted. > But we > > > can neatly reverse the pretense that liberals > are > > > rationalists guided by the ideals of free > inquiry > > > and the scientific method. Just expose the > essential > > > truth about Darwinian evolution that liberals > refuse > > > to confront: it is bogus science. > > > > > > Having a keen appreciation for genuine science, > > > study reveals that the so-called gaps in the > theory > > > of evolution are all there is—Darwinism is > nothing > > > but a gap. After 150 years of dedicated > searching > > > into the fossil record, evolution's proponents > have > > > failed utterly to substantiate its claims. And a > > > long line of supposed evidence, from the > infamous > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Thu Dec 20 10:54:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89879 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 18:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 18:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.246) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 18:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2007 18:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2007 18:54:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:54:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <602259.67507.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.149.16.45 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=3uLG3CJn3mbnq1X4ekt6bitWI3ZxNFF8cZSqi7570jF5748 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane ha ha...good one Powell. Here is my own mini list: Liberals =3D Govertment must solve all problems. Goverment is good.=20 Government is our friend. Conservatives =3D Government is evil, and can't be trusted (unless it=20 is to ban Gay marriage, and it gives tax breaks for wealthy=20 corporations).=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hate radio =3D anything the hardcore left doesn't agree > with. Name calling.=20 >=20 >=20 > Hate speech =3D anything the hard core doesn't agree > with.=20 >=20 >=20 > And potential censorship at its worst. Sneaky .... > pervasive PC=20=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Dec 20 11:02:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24489 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 19:02:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 19:02:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 19:02:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54145 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2007 19:02:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ORMZDuQVM1kzxAEc.6RVjXyuDkpp.iE83YAGjentZhZuAi2WvCaXoE9_SQ.D5HIwG9rbg9bb0Q-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:02:27 PST Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:02:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <662813.53549.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Politicians and AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=7dUkbe3OiOXQua6dcZqWjp8SriWvTK-To_OYD0c6uXo X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Here's one I came up with a few years ago: Why do politicians LOVE AM STEREO? Because they can talk out of BOTH sides of their mouth, and use platform shift to their advantage! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From robert.w.welch@att.net Thu Dec 20 12:23:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30523 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 20:23:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 20:23:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 20:23:15 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2007 20:23:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2007 20:23:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2007 20:23:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:23:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=sZ-DNMGZ_Z7fPK95DQNj1tXSIqT1SXB8DqcOeisLjFfOO9T01gRk X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Unless its some rare emergency... we shut our transmitter off after=20 the midnight news and fire it up again just before 5am... 6am on=20 Sundays. Granted, I have often wondered what would happen if something awful=20 happened in between those hours. I'm told the person living closest=20 to the studio who is a senior member of the station staff sleeps with=20 a beeper on him... set to vibrate... we figure that oughtta rock 'em=20 out of his socks... if heaven forbid something happens. Bob, WDEV --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman"=20 wrote: > > Several more points, >=20 > With the conservative radio having a head start (and that is to=20 their credit, they were thinking ahead), they have developed networks=20 and syndicated themselves on the stations with the best coverage;=20 liberal/progressive radio, usually has to settle for the crumbs when=20 they can even get on the air; the graveyard channels and lower power=20 stations, there are some exceptions (i.e..WINZ-940-Miami), but the=20 exceptions are few and far between. >=20 > As far as local news I can no longer depend on local radio with=20 Clear Channel cutting their news operations to the bone. The=20 alleged "news leader" here,ClearChannel's WFLA-970 airs Fox news at=20 the top of the hour, then a few advertisements and then weather from=20 one of the local TV stations, they do mange to run a full minute of=20 local news at 30 or 31 minutes past the hour, but if you sneeze and=20 miss that one minute of local news per hour, you're out of luck. >=20 > Now the Leesburg,FL market is small enough where ClearChannel, Cox,=20 CBS, Salem etc haven't been that interested (so far) and their two AM=20 stations are locally owned and are live and local from 6am to=20 midnight (both are automated overnight, but with people there incase=20 of a news or weather emergency. This is often the case, at least=20 here in Florida, where you actually have better local and state news=20 coverage in a small market, that the corporations have not coveted. >=20 > One of the two stations does run some syndicated talk as well as=20 local talk, and that same station has news blocks midday as well as=20 some music blocks during the day. >=20 > On the weekend both stations are live and local, no repeats=20 or "encore" programs. >=20 > Donn > St Petersburg >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Dec 20 12:32:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22711 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 20:32:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 20:32:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ro-out-1112.google.com) (72.14.202.181) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 20:32:51 -0000 X-Received: by ro-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p7so4728290roc.1 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:32:50 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.60.15 with SMTP id n15mr435729pyk.33.1198182769529; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:32:49 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.88.10 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:32:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80712201232t1c735decqe719bc331eb5a8aa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:32:49 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000b01c842d4$073b83e0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> X-Originating-IP: 72.14.202.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And now for some thing compleatly differant !!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=8BSKyeB0kYcZEGaEqR1yQu-TEJvCOGvfsyHMiderUT-eXzxIi6vGHGpH X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.... like you learn how to spell and compose an actual sentence with proper grammar? Sometimes what you type is such a concoction of mis-spellings, poor grammer and run on sentences, I have no clue what the hell you're trying to say. Paul On Dec 20, 2007 10:51 AM, jim smith wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > wrote: > > > > Hi Gang Some one said here that if you give the A.L more voltage you > could get more range out of it. So would that be true if you give it > less voltage you can get less range out of it for night use ?Politics > YUK!!!!!!! Jim s > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Lets ask this again. Jim S > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Dec 20 13:04:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42542 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 21:04:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 21:04:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.162.233) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 21:04:12 -0000 X-Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i11so27704nzi.8 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:04:11 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.226.2 with SMTP id y2mr374038wfg.75.1198184651406; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:04:11 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x48sm394956pyg.43.2007.12.20.13.04.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:04:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <476AD8B6.3040302@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:03:50 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <000b01c842d4$073b83e0$20a4fea9@jimsmith> <8bce0fe80712201232t1c735decqe719bc331eb5a8aa@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80712201232t1c735decqe719bc331eb5a8aa@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.162.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And now for some thing compleatly differant !!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=1SszxOI7-pDf2tF5inDaT6PJHLfbDhfPE7NR0k9RBeAnS6FbGE1AiF8cWtYdTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > How about something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.... like you learn how to spell and compose an actual sentence with proper grammar? > Just be GLAD he is listening to AM and not XM, iPod, or cell streaming. > Sometimes what you type is such a concoction of mis-spellings, poor grammer and run on sentences, I have no clue what the hell you're trying to say. As long as he can figure out how to fill out an Arbitron Diary... Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Dec 20 14:20:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58329 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 22:20:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 22:20:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 22:20:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d1f.1537519f (65098) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:20:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:20:02 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5006 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And now for some thing compleatly differant !!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=hiGc-hw7gBUvrHcR9c8uPHiwjegF8FoGuXguMiHFyVYR7tBz9Jh_45HTOI5upeyp X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, let's give the guy a break, OK? To answer his question, I recently purchased on of Chris Cuff's boards that has undergone undocumented modifications in the output section. So I don't know. What I do know is there is no way that board can push even 100 mW into a 10 ft. wire in open air. The old output section documented on this site was just an un-tuned linear amplifier acting as a voltage source. How much output it was capable of is anybody's guess, but the whatever the amount it, was dependent on the impedance of the load. It's not 50 ohms. Apparently, the board must use some form of low level modulation. Lowering the supply voltage most likely will cause the output stage to go into saturation. Because AM Stereo is a form of quadrature modulation, any amplitude distortion seriously degrades it. I'm trying to built an antenna for Hank, so if anyone knows what the AI board needs for a load, please let us know. Speaking of antennas (they didn't call me the Segmaster for nothing), does anyone know anything about KSTP's daytime antenna? From its FCC file data, it almost has to be a Frankie. With 50kW, it must really pack a bunch. Mike **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Dec 20 14:22:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72895 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 22:22:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 22:22:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 22:22:36 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d31.203a8b8d (65098) for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:22:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:22:32 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5006 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And now for some thing compleatly differant !!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=tj49BWClXDJs_gRkYSqNWmqMgLFVehEgPXIQ7qONIRvA1PriTVaaP0-ORQ_Tuvwe X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/20/07 3:04:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, thepossumhunter@gmail.com writes: As long as he can figure out how to fill out an Arbitron Diary... Kevin I really like Arbitron Dairy Ice Cream. It really filled me out. Mike **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Dec 20 14:24:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61499 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 22:24:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 22:24:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.213) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 22:24:06 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W31 ([64.4.19.131]) by bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:21:26 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:21:26 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <662813.53549.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <662813.53549.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2007 22:21:26.0465 (UTC) FILETIME=[A92DAB10:01C84356] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Politicians and AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=B0GGZIEnR2qHEFuSVP7PhEaP-2QJC-tqZrHRmEiz1le1e87v3HXr X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like it!!! MTGC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: w4opw@yahoo.comDate: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:02:27 -0800Subject: {AMSF} Politicians and AM stereo Here's one I came up with a few years ago:Why do politicians LOVE AM STEREO?Because they can talk out of BOTH sides of theirmouth, and use platform shift to their advantage! PowellNNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Dec 20 14:36:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80963 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 22:36:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 22:36:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-2122.google.com) (64.233.178.244) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 22:36:57 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id n78so62043hsc.12 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:36:57 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.12.5 with SMTP id 5mr210106ybl.128.1198190217355; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:36:57 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from Possum-Hunters-Computer.local ( [12.40.47.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n80sm531644pyh.44.2007.12.20.14.36.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:36:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <476AEE59.6090802@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:36:09 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And now for some thing compleatly differant !!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=uyHtpsntida2CEzWJMWKbqHuE9Sbk7RSDA2SwohRcMJnW0ehR8BMbxzbnIwcEw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I really like Arbitron Dairy Ice Cream. It really filled me out. I really like their C-QUAM Sundae. Kevin From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Thu Dec 20 15:02:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26493 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 23:02:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 23:02:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fmailhost05.isp.att.net) (204.127.217.105) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 23:02:51 -0000 X-Received: from fwebmail33.isp.att.net ([207.115.9.163]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20071220230049H0500d7nu4e>; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:00:49 +0000 X-Received: from [209.149.16.45] by fwebmail33.isp.att.net; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:00:49 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:00:49 +0000 Message-Id: <122020072300.7621.476AF42100056D1E00001DC522243323629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF060E0B040E9A09@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: Z3VhbGRhakBiZWxsc291dGgubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 204.127.217.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: gualdaj@bellsouth.net Subject: {AMSF} Politicians and AM stereo (And HD) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=-fwOAqaHpIucyvs4IGom2WZwCtI6E_k429lq3UyO1lMuAZg X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good one Powell By the way, I forgot to mention that my HD-100 HD Radio picks up AM Stereo just fine. I think someone may have asked on this list. Mind you, it is narrow, and sounds tinny, but it does decode. I tried it on WNMB. -------------- Original message from "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" : -------------- Here's one I came up with a few years ago: Why do politicians LOVE AM STEREO? Because they can talk out of BOTH sides of their mouth, and use platform shift to their advantage! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Dec 20 15:11:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91093 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 23:11:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 23:11:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 23:11:14 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.254] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071220171053001546900003> for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:10:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005501c8435e$07898920$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:10:53 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=JL2HBQbABJLtL_FygQtRJ-3ShNkcV55pfMiM4Ws7zNbaEBK6LRsq X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Other than it being an almost-Franklin (179deg over same) what else do you want to know? I worked there from 12/78 to 1/85. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Personally, I'd like to hear more about KSTP's tower. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Dec 20 15:17:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55426 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 23:17:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 23:17:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 23:17:59 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.254] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071220171726002606700003> for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:17:26 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008601c8435e$f183e980$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <186292.59142.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:17:26 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} And now for some thing compleatly differant !!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=lEdQsmkH71J2zBkq-qX0LjScW0eBxbEWCmnS_yuOj53C1EcUXI9D X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually that's only half right- keep the voltage on the chips the same but increase the voltage to the output transistors (will require cutting some traces) and it could work. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:11 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} And now for some thing compleatly differant !!!!!! --- jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi Gang Some one said here that if you give the A.L > more voltage you could get more rang out of it. So > would that be true if you give it less voltage you > can get less range out of it for night use NOOOOOOOOOOOO Chris told me to be VERY careful with voltages as some chips can't take more voltage. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/07 7:37 PM --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Dec 20 15:21:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1475 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 23:21:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 23:21:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 23:21:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31408 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2007 23:21:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WaKn4E0VM1lfNfEEzUU6Oy9pwR5R_0EigCGVvgwV7cQC8M4jVvhU1sNLx7ndptl2zQz89ss4aA-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:21:00 PST Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:21:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008601c8435e$f183e980$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <36542.31363.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} And now for some thing compleatly differant !!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=pjLPT1JjV68TzlkgIoUd4HIa5CNoCHGUlTZcPdMEC-Y X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > Actually that's only half right- keep the voltage on > the chips the same but increase the voltage to the > output transistors (will require cutting some > traces) and it could work. That part is true, but few of us are THAT good. If I wanted to cover my area I need about a watt. Powell Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Dec 20 15:26:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98607 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2007 23:26:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2007 23:26:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2007 23:26:04 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.254] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071220172555000531500003> for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:25:55 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00dd01c84360$20e59f60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <411455.42844.qm@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:25:55 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=FtQgCSFzMggQDyUQsEtpm9JAIYIrygXVyDWXfJMTSKVKvhrqdBnf X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And likewise to you too, my friend. Here's to a Merry Christmas or whatever celebration you like this time of year, and to a great 0-8. May we see a renaissance of AM stereo. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thanks, I guess I got a bit passionate there. When I joined this forum, I thought left and right discussions referred to the two audio channels! Instead of C-QUAM vs. ISB vs. PMX, I keep seeing Rush vs. Hartmann, liberal vs. conservative, etc. Politics is a good name for it...poly=many, tics=bloodsuckers! I am neither hateful, nor vengeful, and STILL wish ALL SIDES a Merry Christmas! George --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Dec 20 16:48:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27149 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2007 00:48:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2007 00:48:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s16.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.216) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2007 00:48:30 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W40 ([64.4.19.140]) by bay0-omc3-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:48:27 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:48:27 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00dd01c84360$20e59f60$d503fea9@stodd> References: <411455.42844.qm@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00dd01c84360$20e59f60$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2007 00:48:27.0694 (UTC) FILETIME=[330A64E0:01C8436B] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: Seasons Greetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=ALocBtakLF_M9w4_-HNdVoj168H6SKiHB8Cyp3HUAggfvjEJ4jmL X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merry Christmas to all the fine members of this great group. MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Thu Dec 20 17:46:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65387 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2007 01:46:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2007 01:46:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.165) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2007 01:46:40 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2007 01:46:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2007 01:46:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2007 01:46:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:46:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.165 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.50.10 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: Seasons Greetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=Zvqm_k23j1Xv2_ZuijA6mNW6sJk5LpmopaaNJBSFYkSFcsU X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > >=20 > Merry Christmas to all the fine members of this great group. >=20=20 >=20=20 > MTGC (Michael) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Back at you and everybody else...Merry Christmas From starship_2001@msn.com Thu Dec 20 18:12:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78507 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2007 02:12:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2007 02:12:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s4.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.204) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2007 02:12:08 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.24]) by bay0-omc3-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:11:50 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:11:50 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.6 by BAY131-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:11:49 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:11:49 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2007 02:11:50.0572 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8FCFEC0:01C84376] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Seasons Greetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=kW65tb8RtVIoFu6lcVoR3a405fq6gapcWd-TWUXsto6wwZ_8TPRsRJJcRg X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merry Christmas and Happy New Year in Analog (((((AM Stereo))))). -----Original Message----- From: Juan Gualda Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 8:46 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Seasons Greetings --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > > > Merry Christmas to all the fine members of this great group. > > > MTGC (Michael) > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Back at you and everybody else...Merry Christmas Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 20 23:34:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69502 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2007 07:34:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2007 07:34:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail13.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.194) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2007 07:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d122-104-71-1.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [122.104.71.1]) by mail13.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBL7YVqQ012086 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:34:37 +1100 To: Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:31:48 +1100 Message-ID: <003c01c843a3$8c6e7ac0$0301010a@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AchCu+WxHOnXhXlQTUWQco625IRCKAA52iFA X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: [SPAM] Re: {AMSF} Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=3Ef3mjV4gpFHp0hxJeM6I_lcRgANpGP2wQ0YpqJLjSfT X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Donno This is a brilliant and restrained response!!! :-) _____ From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donn Tillman Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 2:53 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows Apparently! ------------------------- From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Liberal VS Conservative Talk Shows Date: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:21 PM ? Apparently you didn't read my message of several days ago.................. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 21 07:58:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78218 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2007 15:58:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2007 15:58:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2007 15:58:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98345 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Dec 2007 15:58:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gmwSXQgVM1kbinrTqbco8oZkr5L1cpQuJnQBG6vPrsqaMC2kH7DkMoCPoQQdcEms0A-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:58:06 PST Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:58:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <52506.97937.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Alfredo Lite ANTENNA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=b59A7lnvLRINCeOMTY1o0VqfGqS4FbSQmFVGgKxNGK_1iYDmqAdiBwI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Would a 4:1 Balun - reversed - help with the A.L. to take what could be a high impedance output of the A.L. and convert it to 50 OHMs for the antenna cable? It would really help if we could get ahold of ALFREDO himself, but there's also a good engineer out West (who was on the list) that could help us, but I can't recall his name - anybody remember - I think he and the XYL split, so he took the bird, the radios and took-off? He had/has his A.L. running 24/7, but I think he used a ferrite bar to induce the A.L. output to his antenna? Happy Holidays, J ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Dec 21 08:33:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67735 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2007 16:33:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2007 16:33:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s8.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.208) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2007 16:33:17 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.75]) by bay0-omc3-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:32:27 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:32:26 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:32:22 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: References: <52506.97937.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:32:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2007 16:32:26.0870 (UTC) FILETIME=[129EC960:01C843EF] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite ANTENNA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=Q7zAMbH4V_0VzDukVcfnPmTSr2zYuUbva06BcOP0ifAV X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd the alfredo lite is 50 ohms. I forget which wire is hot which is ground. but this is easily identified by looking at the board. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." To: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite ANTENNA? > Would a 4:1 Balun - reversed - help with the A.L. to take what could be > a high impedance output of the A.L. and convert it to 50 OHMs for the > antenna cable? > > It would really help if we could get ahold of ALFREDO himself, but > there's also a good engineer out West (who was on the list) that could > help us, but I can't recall his name - anybody remember - I think he > and the XYL split, so he took the bird, the radios and took-off? He > had/has his A.L. running 24/7, but I think he used a ferrite bar to > induce the A.L. output to his antenna? > > Happy Holidays, > J > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Dec 21 12:56:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47938 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2007 20:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2007 20:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2007 20:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c42.22fe6358 (29678) for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:55:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:55:52 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5006 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite ANTENNA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=k1LqCcp7Nj_bYmpcLkNgcjXNMvcRkpy2S7s-l7_MIneppizxX2KrDW9SzyYhHh86 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/21/07 10:34:01 A.M. Central Standard Time, kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: the alfredo lite is 50 ohms. I forget which wire is hot which is ground. but this is easily identified by looking at the board. I talked to Chris. Apparently the old version was 50 ohms. The modified board is most definitely NOT according to Chris. The difference in the two version can be seen in the rear left hand corner of the board. The most noticeable difference is the old version has an RF coil and the modified version has a tiny incandescent lamp. I have the newer modified version, hook it up the old Cantenna to look at the output with a scope and there was nothing there. Mike **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Dec 21 13:00:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29973 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2007 21:00:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2007 21:00:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s36.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.108) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2007 21:00:20 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.91]) by bay0-omc1-s36.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:00:20 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:00:20 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV19.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:00:16 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:00:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2007 21:00:20.0438 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F369F60:01C84414] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite ANTENNA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=jgxLDy2lGJqb91BC4NZYQbKShDT681gkQajIsPUtmpQ9 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I have the 100mW Version. this is not 50 ohms? is it designed like a rangemaster to run into a 10ft whip? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 3:55 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite ANTENNA? > > In a message dated 12/21/07 10:34:01 A.M. Central Standard Time, > kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: > > the alfredo lite is 50 ohms. I forget which wire is hot which is ground. > but > > this is easily identified by looking at the board. > > > > I talked to Chris. Apparently the old version was 50 ohms. The modified > board is most definitely NOT according to Chris. The difference in the > two > version can be seen in the rear left hand corner of the board. The most > noticeable difference is the old version has an RF coil and the modified > version has > a tiny incandescent lamp. > > I have the newer modified version, hook it up the old Cantenna to look at > the output with a scope and there was nothing there. > > Mike > > > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Dec 21 13:04:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45768 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2007 21:04:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2007 21:04:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2007 21:04:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49142 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Dec 2007 21:04:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uzzFsjQVM1m_fmWpToMxI7E8wco.vW_REOylo0renM.F9LzbNuefRy501W6P7OJHZU6lpI7UaqS8ScU44XewhCMuHbvR5zuv7Sa4_AVQOvQT5egTZ5M- X-Received: from [24.192.189.76] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:04:04 PST Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:04:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <52506.97937.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <942880.48805.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite ANTENNA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=WpKB_YiYfmtKL29ZPJzGFhmPUJU8YiYWqnZEuqqUKj1V1A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Don't know if it still holds true, but when I bought the AL from Mr. Cuff, he told me the output IS 50 ohms. Are newer versions higher Z? Ya got me curious...George --- "John P." wrote: > Would a 4:1 Balun - reversed - help with the A.L. to > take what could be > a high impedance output of the A.L. and convert it > to 50 OHMs for the > antenna cable? > > It would really help if we could get ahold of > ALFREDO himself, but > there's also a good engineer out West (who was on > the list) that could > help us, but I can't recall his name - anybody > remember - I think he > and the XYL split, so he took the bird, the radios > and took-off? He > had/has his A.L. running 24/7, but I think he used a > ferrite bar to > induce the A.L. output to his antenna? > > Happy Holidays, > J > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Dec 21 13:12:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77007 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2007 21:12:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2007 21:12:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2007 21:12:33 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d04.23b22a43 (29678) for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:12:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:12:05 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5006 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite ANTENNA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ptKaW0I7D0dJjPwe0LfWTlIUmSkZhuxvSPCKxrjKg742pRXEjXLWCpMM-f-PyLFY X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/21/07 9:58:27 A.M. Central Standard Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: Would a 4:1 Balun - reversed - help with the A.L. to take what could be a high impedance output of the A.L. and convert it to 50 OHMs for the antenna cable? The input impedance of a 10 ft. (thereabouts) whip antenna with an inductor sufficient to cancel out its reactance is about 0.1 ohm. Of course, that is working against an ideal ground, which is not available to the average user. An input of 1Arms would necessary to deliver 100mWrms to antenna. This would correspond to 2,750 Vrms at the base of the whip. The actual impedance of a whip antenna is effectively the ground resistance it is working against which varies greatly from on location to another. I could tell you what kind of load the board that has its schematic posted in this group would drive. I don't believe it could put out a 100mWrms (carrier) AM modulated signal into 50 ohms. The supply voltage isn't high enough. Mike **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Dec 21 23:33:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76577 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2007 07:33:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2007 07:33:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2007 07:33:02 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cd3.257ed84e (65099) for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 02:32:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 02:32:51 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite ANTENNA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=D6z8dKkcYXpOVy_CcEVqhgAh5ONyUpS9TxAmMllKEqoVkGUAyWKzrsUfpn-Dpu52 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/21/07 3:01:11 PM Central Standard Time, kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: > I have the 100mW Version. this is not 50 ohms? is it designed like a > rangemaster to run into a 10ft whip? > Actually, I have no idea what it is. I know my board does not appear to have any inductive components. That makes it kinda difficult to get 100mW into a 10ft. whip. When I load mine with 50 ohms, it's dead as a doornail. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Dec 22 00:03:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67815 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2007 08:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2007 08:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2007 08:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d64.19f609cc (39955) for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 03:03:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 03:03:12 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AM Stereo Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=bnSlF760-4M3PHIXu5MP4ZGu6iecXcor6zM3QIktUqZ2vH1epOqck_x1ZqFBoVhd X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/21/07 3:04:31 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Don't know if it still holds true, but when I bought > the AL from Mr. Cuff, he told me the output IS 50 > ohms. Are newer versions higher Z? > Ya got me curious...George > I ordinarily don't forward email without the sender's permission, but Chris obviously intended this to be in public domain, so I am forwarding it as a service to those with his boards who might find it helpful. I am certain Chris is an honest and reputable person. However, in may opinion, his product could use a bit better documentation, which I offerred to do without charge as a public service. It looks like the thing to do is overwind the loading coil and put a variable capacitor in series with it to bring it to resonance. What the impedance is at resonance is anybody's guess. I can measure it, but is is likely to depend on if I use the center screw of one of my wall outlets or the grounding system of a local daytimer at the low end of the band during off-hours. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Dec 22 10:30:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64276 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2007 18:30:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2007 18:30:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2007 18:30:17 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d66.1eb061e6 (39332) for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:29:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:29:46 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite ANTENNA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=viTIixhm_qgSLJqLYECFvHUEeF3NxcpFICzROF5sIFg-UwbT-A9oXJgH0ajOrCQu X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subj: RE: Re: AM Stereo Transmitter Date: 11/30/07 5:47:48 PM Central Standard Time From: ccuff@in4web.com To: mjgrant@aol.com Sent from the Internet (Details) OK, The output impedance is NOT 50 ohms at the output. The added on part is a small one transistor RF stage. It is not meant to go thru a 50 ohm load at all. The wire for the antenna is supposed to connect to a long wire antenna, tuned, plus an earth ground. The incandescent lamp is there to protect the RF output transistor. If you need a 50 ohm output, you can remove the RF stage and use the output off the 2N3904/2N3906 1st RF stage- At that point, it IS 50 ohm. The added on stage was done since 2003 due to so many people wanting more power than the original 20mw it had originally. To verify that the basic transmitter is working, bring a radio very near (1 to 2 feet) to the transmitter with just the antenna wire, nothing more. Without a tuned antenna system or a carrier current antenna, you will not get any distance. I can also mail you a schematic. Chris ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Dec 22 10:50:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30160 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2007 18:50:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2007 18:50:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.172) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2007 18:50:05 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.87]) by bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:50:01 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:50:01 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 72.250.93.64 by BAY103-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:49:59 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:46:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2007 18:50:01.0760 (UTC) FILETIME=[7554CA00:01C844CB] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite ANTENNA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=k3YlDytS4LX7dhsdGHrg64Q45nofm0F-FfNDxqIw38h1 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like a updated schematic for the 100mW version. email to: kc8gpd@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 1:29 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite ANTENNA? Subj: RE: Re: AM Stereo Transmitter Date: 11/30/07 5:47:48 PM Central Standard Time From: ccuff@in4web.com To: mjgrant@aol.com Sent from the Internet (Details) OK, The output impedance is NOT 50 ohms at the output. The added on part is a small one transistor RF stage. It is not meant to go thru a 50 ohm load at all. The wire for the antenna is supposed to connect to a long wire antenna, tuned, plus an earth ground. The incandescent lamp is there to protect the RF output transistor. If you need a 50 ohm output, you can remove the RF stage and use the output off the 2N3904/2N3906 1st RF stage- At that point, it IS 50 ohm. The added on stage was done since 2003 due to so many people wanting more power than the original 20mw it had originally. To verify that the basic transmitter is working, bring a radio very near (1 to 2 feet) to the transmitter with just the antenna wire, nothing more. Without a tuned antenna system or a carrier current antenna, you will not get any distance. I can also mail you a schematic. Chris ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Dec 22 11:11:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43866 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2007 19:11:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2007 19:11:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2007 19:11:10 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.55.147] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071222131051000243200003> for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:10:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00b301c844ce$d6843740$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:10:51 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite ANTENNA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=nP2wfpKwIsPBbv4E25Hv4xGnIFJlWiIQ1mcVzxavOT6USSl19QNa X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why would anyone WANT a 50 ohm output on one of these? The antennas they work into are anything but. Scott Todd --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Dec 22 15:32:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77674 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2007 23:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2007 23:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2007 23:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d30.207136bf (14457) for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:31:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:31:34 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite ANTENNA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=PMQ1z_2VSaKwvoTAn3hCPAMFI7haqkdrpIP69UsyL0nbScmot3sbDG6pihnuCEtA X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/22/07 1:51:17 PM Central Daylight Time, kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: > I would like a updated schematic for the 100mW version. > Me, too. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Dec 22 15:34:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4342 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2007 23:34:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2007 23:34:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2007 23:34:42 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bdf.25f2135b (14457) for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:34:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:34:36 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite ANTENNA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=EGL5nkM8KXa8b0HA4dc8vowKd0iKdM7XoHQQdhVIFa1HG-Amt315dbOqbR5D4FYI X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/22/07 2:11:39 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > Why would anyone WANT a 50 ohm output on one of these? The antennas they > work into are anything but. > You make a good point. 50 ohms is just a common standard. With a PI network, I can make the antenna 50 ohms (real), no matter what it actually is. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Dec 23 13:12:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78499 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2007 21:12:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2007 21:12:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s16.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.216) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2007 21:12:20 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.74]) by bay0-omc3-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:12:21 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:12:21 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:12:18 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: "Mike Sloane" , , Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:12:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2007 21:12:21.0012 (UTC) FILETIME=[8188FD40:01C845A8] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: fs: Haris AM Stereo, CRL AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=imwRjKtynoJytbFPeLsJnxsr_RmVPbCZkyrs0duwrumE X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd cherry Condition Harris AMS-G1 C-QuAM Exciter. I have PDF of manual. $500.00 Shipped Con-US Lot of CRL Processors... 1x SMP-900 Works, but need re alignment. Have PDF of manual. 2x SPP-800 1 Works, 1 has no Audio, Have PDF of Manual $400.00 Shipped for all Con-US 1x APP-400 condition unknown, have pdf of manual $150.00 Shipped Con-US Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Moderator Hunterdonfree http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Dec 23 13:13:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63842 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2007 21:13:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2007 21:13:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.143) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2007 21:13:01 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.80]) by bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:13:01 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:13:01 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:13:00 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:12:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2007 21:13:01.0472 (UTC) FILETIME=[99A6B200:01C845A8] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} fs: Haris AM Stereo, CRL AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=km0VYS-WYxtfxA2q2RpaxmNFtu-stLwg8kkCM9TraPSg X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Will consider counter offers as well :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" To: "Mike Sloane" ; ; Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 4:12 PM Subject: {AMSF} fs: Haris AM Stereo, CRL AM Stereo > cherry Condition Harris AMS-G1 C-QuAM Exciter. I have PDF of manual. > $500.00 > Shipped Con-US > > Lot of CRL Processors... > > 1x SMP-900 Works, but need re alignment. Have PDF of manual. > > 2x SPP-800 1 Works, 1 has no Audio, Have PDF of Manual > > $400.00 Shipped for all Con-US > > 1x APP-400 condition unknown, have pdf of manual > > $150.00 Shipped Con-US > > Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis > > Moderator Hunterdonfree > http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/hunterdonfree > > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Dec 23 13:55:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36438 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2007 21:55:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2007 21:55:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2007 21:55:40 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.48] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071223155505000914100003> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:55:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002701c845ae$f42ee840$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:55:05 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite ANTENNA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=JckowxoOa9eRC63_Yu4670bRspupUin0iq0AhvygHTQLI5Dn67v8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's still one caveat here- if you go too far and try and get too good a match you'll end up losing more power in the matching network than you'll get by matching the antenna more perfectly. It's best if the output of the transmitter is as close to the antenna impedance so there doesn't need to be much matching done. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Why would anyone WANT a 50 ohm output on one of these? The antennas they > work into are anything but. > You make a good point. 50 ohms is just a common standard. With a PI network, I can make the antenna 50 ohms (real), no matter what it actually is. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Dec 23 23:09:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40956 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2007 07:09:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2007 07:09:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2007 07:09:21 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bfc.27b7ca36 (29672) for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 02:09:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 02:09:05 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite ANTENNA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=c-5_jn7vywHJZkiYxaqAHzpQzpfoGpvgeF8qUNz9DyrTQMSmHJtv9U0EDGGDwbAx X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, A 10 ft. antenna over an ideal ground plane presents the equivalent of about 30 to 40 pf in series with 0.1 ohm, which is the radiation resistance. One can design a PI section matching network with will tune it to 50 ohms resistive. Like you said, the losses in the coil would be significant if the load was really 0.1 ohm. In real life, the ground resistance isn't zero. In fact, it may not even be purely resistive. That's not an issue because the PI network can tune out the reactance and match the combined ground and radiation resistance. The problem with the PI matching network is not the loss. When there is a high ratio of input to output resistance, the network has an unavoidably high Q. While it is attainable, it makes the net circuit very selective which may cause sideband attenuation limited frequency response and may need to be tweaked as conditions change. The good side is it attenuated spurious emissions which keeps the Feds happy. The better approach would seem to be a broadband toroidal matching transformer. That's what well engineered systems seem to favor. A modest Q tuned circuit to eliminate the reactive component, with a tapped toroid to do the impedance match. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Dec 23 23:22:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96839 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2007 07:22:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2007 07:22:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2007 07:22:44 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cfc.252567bb (29672) for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 02:22:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 02:22:33 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Anybody have any working relationship with the Feds? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=WraWz5dHVInCXjhu8tAXRCnBKh70gkONVxAnA0h5VyCXOqvu-iOHSnkBd1mc71qb X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am working on a couple of antenna designs and need some empirical data. To get some good quality measurement, it would be desireable to get the signal levels out of the mud. This would mean putting perhaps 10 or so watts into the radiators. Obviously, this requires an experimental station license. I am a graduate professional engineer, although my specialization is electronic test engineering, not communications. I had a First Class Radiotelephone license since the 60s until it was eliminated back in the early 80s. I am modestly competent in general legal matters though not in communications law. Is is possible to get an experimental station license with hiring a Washington mouthpiece who is admitted to practice before the FCC? Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Dec 23 23:23:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16114 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2007 07:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2007 07:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2007 07:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c4c.2646f4c5 (29672) for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 02:23:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 02:23:43 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} fs: Haris AM Stereo, CRL AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=wIT2zLiNh_f5FcoYW1iwV5u_rzLSqYvipyaY-JCt16_Hgccl7fFLHX_8ou7UzjPl X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What kind of output(s) does the unit provide? Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 24 07:53:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21327 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2007 15:53:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2007 15:53:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2007 15:53:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 75368 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Dec 2007 15:53:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7AXyD1gVM1l_uWUFOPPy5dRbc38ZSkJHQ.QDVJ_FCu4pw4byBMqe1AmoCrnlUpTQ33Mwz2ZHvwws1eSQTWVyuhriEaO9Y6nHXxGTts87kmI1crUlIFI- X-Received: from [64.223.58.113] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:53:09 PST Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:53:09 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <586329.75317.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anybody have any working relationship with the Feds? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=6EuwIUpt5Q1NXHnLszGvdLixFSNns1WjTvTfcMvZjq1AxCekTIVh X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The only info I know of is that you may be covered under 47CFR5 (if it's non-broadcast) & that the forms for experimental stations (309 to construct, 310 to cover) are on the F.C.C. website. Jay mjgrant@aol.com wrote: I am working on a couple of antenna designs and need some empirical data. To get some good quality measurement, it would be desireable to get the signal levels out of the mud. This would mean putting perhaps 10 or so watts into the radiators. Obviously, this requires an experimental station license. I am a graduate professional engineer, although my specialization is electronic test engineering, not communications. I had a First Class Radiotelephone license since the 60s until it was eliminated back in the early 80s. I am modestly competent in general legal matters though not in communications law. Is is possible to get an experimental station license with hiring a Washington mouthpiece who is admitted to practice before the FCC? Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Dec 24 11:26:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44013 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2007 19:26:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2007 19:26:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.238) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2007 19:26:11 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.79]) by bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:25:00 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:25:00 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 24.225.253.63 by BAY103-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 19:25:00 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:26:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2007 19:25:00.0575 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD260AF0:01C84662] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} fs: Haris AM Stereo, CRL AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=PWIJusznj2A9ACcW7a4yVH4_kGbntBbzph-M0ApONIdB X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I/O is Balanced or unbalanced 600 ohm +4dbu the exciter DOES NOT have a sample output. it requires inserting the L-R into the xtal osc. and the L+R audio to the audio in on the tx. ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 2:23 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} fs: Haris AM Stereo, CRL AM Stereo What kind of output(s) does the unit provide? Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Dec 24 16:11:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11344 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2007 00:11:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2007 00:11:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2007 00:11:12 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.223] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071224181100002676200003> for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:11:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001301c8468b$1cf6e480$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:11:00 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite ANTENNA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=GRs5cjyejGrJLn6Fwm7PYm0wEf4-VcGoJ65WRW7mJW4Ftm57L82d X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Even though I'm more of a maintenance than an engineering guy, I've actually had the same thought. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com The better approach would seem to be a broadband toroidal matching transformer. That's what well engineered systems seem to favor. A modest Q tuned circuit to eliminate the reactive component, with a tapped toroid to do the impedance match. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Dec 24 16:23:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87111 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2007 00:23:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2007 00:23:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2007 00:23:01 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.223] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071224182243000922700003> for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:22:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005a01c8468c$bf95f220$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <586329.75317.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:22:43 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anybody have any working relationship with the Feds? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=-kZT2BfjhRfMpdpw-8_ycxUqd4C9pes3rmU469XjICp5wb-vSdYf X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Normally I'm a fan of keeping things legal, but if you can do the measurements fast enough, you might want to skip the experimental license. You could wait years for one of those. Scott Todd --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Dec 24 19:07:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92431 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2007 03:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2007 03:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2007 03:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.be8.24afe36d (41812) for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:07:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:07:00 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anybody have any working relationship with the Feds? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=y8TM5GVa67dkMKN7R0M4VbuilPLa6EgRLMP4uis9EqkslyXijVU9ZcnYVZZN2eMq X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/24/07 7:23:15 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > Normally I'm a fan of keeping things legal, but if you can do the > measurements fast enough, you might want to skip the experimental license. You could > wait years for one of those. > So experimental licenses aren't just procedural? I'm not sure what the FCC has for "ears". Any ideas? Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Dec 24 19:13:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86085 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2007 03:13:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2007 03:13:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2007 03:13:26 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c3c.27862c45 (41812) for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:13:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:13:24 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite ANTENNA? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=BLVfqzaWRI9wNmyQID3GI84cmfwHy8_9hqLBpL-Kc0JrbC6ECBn1vlHhVjhBuZVV X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/24/07 7:11:28 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > Even though I'm more of a maintenance than an engineering guy, I've > actually had the same thought. > Toriods are definitely viable at 1.7 Mhz. LPB carrier current couplers and splitters used them. Much like a short antenna, power lines are low impedance. The coupler has a selector switch with a tapped toriod transformer. Power lines were typically inductive although one driven point immediately ahead of a PF correction capacitor bank was not. Contrary to conventional wisdom, the antenna must be detuned to lessen the criticality of keeping it tuned as well as widening its bandwidth. Mike ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 28 06:25:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 606 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 14:25:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 14:25:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 14:25:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 94242 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2007 14:25:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: z0mGf7YVM1l0nTCM3xJlqpBf0kHqYdkOqymaRJEAc8t5EE4teN0p0X8bZzAOkvEAXo9EdJVv.sM.j9m8ZCCioFrWt4sZT9cQ.uWib63ooj64aY5HC31perzdKg-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:25:24 PST Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:25:24 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <247841.93750.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Kevin Tekel is a published author X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=KhKkonxO55wUkrqwtM7VFF6FxbUfEA5vqJf0xfj1MRt3MHtIk8H3ceQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey Kevin, You should get some 'brownie points' for your SBE certification for your article in the December 2007 edition of "Radio Guide" on the POS HD radios from Best Buy! 73's JohnnyElectron ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Dec 28 07:03:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92636 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 15:03:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 15:03:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.137) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 15:03:34 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.11]) by bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:03:31 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:03:30 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.15 by BLU108-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:03:26 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:03:25 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2007 15:03:30.0616 (UTC) FILETIME=[CEDB4B80:01C84962] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kevin Tekel is a published author X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=x2bc5qJ1MzKpslf5P4F_Qna0gOo85BrUsWgNIVkMvmbAsl2e2iDPm3DaxOU X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi John, Thanks for pointing out Kevin's article; the link to the PDF of the Dec 2007 edition of Radio Guide is : http:..www.radio-guide.com/issues/RG-dec-2007.pdf The article is on page 26, then on page 27 is a nice ad for the Fanfare Receiver. Donn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Dec 28 07:14:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21444 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 15:14:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 15:14:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 15:14:05 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.18]) by bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:14:05 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:14:05 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.15 by BLU108-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:14:01 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:14:00 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2007 15:14:05.0278 (UTC) FILETIME=[492507E0:01C84964] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kevin Tekel is a published author X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=cl3IYN6-3O2ktyNsCqNlxlCHaTh-Kf1U6mTkjsbRZL2bNKrFDqO65Uf2gCk X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The correct link for Kevin's article is: http://www.radio-guide.com/issues/RG-dec-2007.pdf and the ad on page 27 (my apologies to Marv) is for the FT-!AP, the Ultimate Translator Receiver. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Dec 28 09:07:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67222 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 17:07:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 17:07:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.180) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 17:07:10 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2007 17:07:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2007 17:07:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2007 17:07:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:07:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.5 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Summarizing... Analog AM Stereo? or Digital HD? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=X4yPxXM35x3HebR91VJ02NqyOo9cW9J-abaY3gaV-PLD7R4Cmg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wanna know if there is some "consensus" now, when the year is=20 gone, about the next 2008 year: 1) Analog AM Stereo? Or 2) Digital AM (HD, IBOC, DRM or some cryptic Kahn idea)? Some approach, please? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Dec 28 10:22:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23546 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 18:22:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 18:22:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 18:22:55 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cf5.1c3b087c (34931) for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:22:26 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from WEBMAIL-DC14 (webmail-dc14.webmail.aol.com [205.188.149.36]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA044-887347753ee21f; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:22:26 -0500 References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:22:26 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 75.43.91.209 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33161-STANDARD X-Received: from 75.43.91.209 by WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.36) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:22:26 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA1795BB917BE2-DC4-1BFD@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: There is something on 1710 kilohertz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=-WdjcMrqTK0jxb-Ydp7ILCr1RoyVXcdZ2l5k1GvoUqT0AGBI2pFfokR5xDOqOL70 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been scouting out some places to do some antenna testing.=C2=A0 Stra= ngely, in the late afternoon, an unmodulated mono carrier appeared for arou= nd 15 minutes beginning at approximately 16:23 CST.=C2=A0 The Roadmaster De= lco AMS radio locked on it during scan.=C2=A0=C2=A0My=C2=A0Sony communicati= ons receiver has a BFO and signal strength indicator, both=C2=A0verified th= e presence of a carrier within 100 hertz (the limit of the receiver's preci= sion) at=C2=A01,710=C2=A0kilohertz.=C2=A0 The Sony's=C2=A0signal strength i= ndicator is not calibrated, but for comparision, the signal was about equal= to known 1 kW=C2=A0nondirectional=C2=A0station on 800 khz about 40 miles a= way. According to the FCC, the should not be anything on 1710.=C2=A0 Has anyone else come across this signal?=C2=A0 If so, what gives? Mike -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:07 am Subject: {AMSF} Summarizing... Analog AM Stereo? or Digital HD? Hi Gang!!! I wanna know if there is some "consensus" now, when the year is=20 gone, about the next 2008 year: 1) Analog AM Stereo? Or 2) Digital AM (HD, IBOC, DRM or some cryptic Kahn idea)? Some approach, please? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love =20 ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail= .aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Dec 28 10:27:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93705 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 18:27:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 18:27:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.190) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 18:27:31 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k15so3183392rvb.51 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:27:29 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.141.202.12 with SMTP id e12mr4949542rvq.65.1198866449590; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:27:29 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.88.10 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:27:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80712281027u7d18c3c4td60b75e0ad2aa76f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:27:29 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA1795BB917BE2-DC4-1BFD@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CA1795BB917BE2-DC4-1BFD@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} There is something on 1710 kilohertz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=EO_e6KbZZZNPsWQyBdW3Qkfz_FqTK_QuY_udPqkXvk-fpLRNdhbreYUL X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Radio Lubavitcher (spelling?) in NYC operates on 1710, obviously has a pirate. They've been said to be running several thousand watts into a long wire of some kind.. it could be them. Paul On Dec 28, 2007 1:22 PM, wrote: > I have been scouting out some places to do some antenna testing. > Strangely, in the late afternoon, an unmodulated mono carrier appeared fo= r > around 15 minutes beginning at approximately 16:23 CST. The Roadmaster > Delco AMS radio locked on it during scan. My Sony communications receive= r > has a BFO and signal strength indicator, both verified the presence of a > carrier within 100 hertz (the limit of the receiver's precision) > at 1,710 kilohertz. The Sony's signal strength indicator is not calibrat= ed, > but for comparision, the signal was about equal to known 1 > kW nondirectional station on 800 khz about 40 miles away. > > According to the FCC, the should not be anything on 1710. > > Has anyone else come across this signal? If so, what gives? > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: jotape1960 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:07 am > Subject: {AMSF} Summarizing... Analog AM Stereo? or Digital HD? > > Hi Gang!!! > > I wanna know if there is some "consensus" now, when the year is > gone, about the next 2008 year: > > 1) Analog AM Stereo? > > Or > > 2) Digital AM (HD, IBOC, DRM or some cryptic Kahn idea)? > > Some approach, please? > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > __________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > --=20 Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Dec 28 10:39:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86913 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 18:39:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 18:39:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 18:39:21 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cb4.26bb50ad (37167) for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:38:50 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from WEBMAIL-DC14 (webmail-dc14.webmail.aol.com [205.188.149.36]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA046-912f477542ba30d; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:38:50 -0500 References: <8CA1795BB917BE2-DC4-1BFD@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:38:50 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 75.43.91.209 In-Reply-To: <8CA1795BB917BE2-DC4-1BFD@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33161-STANDARD X-Received: from 75.43.91.209 by WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.36) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:38:50 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA179806554D7B-DC4-1CAB@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: KCJJ in Arkansas!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=zOfSDIpnDMHwe-EUrcS7G1psuGmgT9cgPvu3Apu6L3ik3XIZr3c7Smev79bDGSj- X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was driving through Northern Arkansas (between Walnut Ridge and Newport to be exact) last evening and scanning the AM band looking for something worth listening to when the radio locked onto 1630 in stereo.? When the station ID'ed, it was KCJJ in Iowa City, Iowa.? That's amazing given KCJJ has less than a 1/4 wave tower and drops down to 1 kW ND at night.? It was amazingly strong, though subject to fading.? Not quite WHO, but far more than one would expect for a station using a shorter than a 1/4?wave stick against a tall?modified Franklin with 50 times the power. Maybe somebody forgot to dial down the power that night? Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Dec 28 10:48:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70485 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 18:48:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 18:48:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 18:48:43 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so6303350pye.8 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:48:40 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.68.3 with SMTP id v3mr11288004pyk.12.1198867719226; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:48:39 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.88.10 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:48:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80712281048o74a9624bu4fa53be49d98ff45@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:48:39 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA179806554D7B-DC4-1CAB@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CA1795BB917BE2-DC4-1BFD@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> <8CA179806554D7B-DC4-1CAB@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ in Arkansas!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=FcPkcJk3LYpszbtBqH1fd6Ka3OwQscLZzedXjdbTFhbtY7rzkDKu4x9z X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've heard KCJJ 1630 before, from Marks Mississippi (smack in the middle of nowhere, between Clarksdale and Batesville, south of Tunica) Click the following link for a 48 second aircheck, it's encoded at 48K/32Hz and only 285kb. http://www.walkerbroadcasting.com/kcjj.mp3 Paul Walker www.wabv1590.com On Dec 28, 2007 1:38 PM, wrote: > > I was driving through Northern Arkansas (between Walnut Ridge and Newport > to be exact) last evening and scanning the AM band looking for something > worth listening to when the radio locked onto 1630 in stereo.? When the > station ID'ed, it was KCJJ in Iowa City, Iowa.? That's amazing given KCJJ > has less than a 1/4 wave tower and drops down to 1 kW ND at night.? It was > amazingly strong, though subject to fading.? Not quite WHO, but far more > than one would expect for a station using a shorter than a 1/4?wave stick > against a tall?modified Franklin with 50 times the power. > > Maybe somebody forgot to dial down the power that night? > > Mike > > __________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Dec 28 11:51:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38227 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 19:51:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 19:51:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 19:51:52 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cac.240bc70a (34982) for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:51:28 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from hewlett5k1589j (dialup-4.240.150.79.dial1.phoenix1.level3.net [4.240.150.79]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA087-88a6477553ba1d2; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:51:24 -0500 Message-ID: <003e01c8498b$08a14e50$4f96f004@hewlett5k1589j> To: References: <247841.93750.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:51:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 4.240.150.79 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kevin Tekel is a published author X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=8ldGCsHQk0tJkSrvzNNDOr7LrOyKISJmpv5yEt9K7y90k3Jbv_vy X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can I get the website to read that? ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: K.T. radio list AMS 2001 Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 6:25 AM Subject: {AMSF} Kevin Tekel is a published author Hey Kevin, You should get some 'brownie points' for your SBE certification for your article in the December 2007 edition of "Radio Guide" on the POS HD radios from Best Buy! 73's JohnnyElectron __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Dec 28 13:01:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56521 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 21:01:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 21:01:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 21:01:10 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.16]) by bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:01:10 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:01:10 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.11 by BLU108-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:01:05 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:01:04 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2007 21:01:10.0313 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5D53190:01C84994] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kevin Tekel is a published author X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=xNz5tCaWIlSnNK5M7voyaQSnlMYGlgpya7nIV1LT_100Dw5w76JLHheY6Hc X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Hank, I don't know if John has a better link or not, since even my corrected link doesn't seem to work. I would try www.radio-guide.com then I'm not sure where to tell you to look, since you have a vision problem. Don't know if the "jaws" program lets you physically search a page ( I believe it does), but if it does, then in the upper right hand corner of the home page is the December 2007 issue, you would click on that, which should bring up a PDF file of the December edition, then scroll to page 26 for Kevin's review. Donn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Dec 28 13:09:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8072 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 21:09:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 21:09:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 21:09:14 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cbd.2361a91a (34944) for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:09:00 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from hewlett5k1589j (dialup-4.240.150.79.dial1.phoenix1.level3.net [4.240.150.79]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA055-8880477565e728e; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:08:56 -0500 Message-ID: <011c01c84995$dd3a9d60$4f96f004@hewlett5k1589j> To: References: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:08:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 4.240.150.79 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kevin Tekel is a published author X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=bJzwTZtMLiaVp0Lo1cjj8V_P2V1dtFcMP2XtZFVdorAZPxpNEaLP X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks will give that a try. I can do a search with in the webpage so shouldn't have a problem, will let you know if I run in to any problems. will save the url for when I get back to olympia I am in az visiting my parents and am on a dial up connection 14.04 there out in the sticks am going to download the pdf when I get back to my dsl connection hopefully they archive there issues? do you know if they do? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Donn Tillman To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kevin Tekel is a published author Hi Hank, I don't know if John has a better link or not, since even my corrected link doesn't seem to work. I would try www.radio-guide.com then I'm not sure where to tell you to look, since you have a vision problem. Don't know if the "jaws" program lets you physically search a page ( I believe it does), but if it does, then in the upper right hand corner of the home page is the December 2007 issue, you would click on that, which should bring up a PDF file of the December edition, then scroll to page 26 for Kevin's review. Donn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Dec 28 13:12:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50416 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 21:12:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 21:12:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 21:12:25 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.22]) by bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:12:25 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:12:25 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.11 by BLU108-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:12:18 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:12:17 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2007 21:12:25.0407 (UTC) FILETIME=[58385CF0:01C84996] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kevin Tekel is a published author X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=voewoLHCw54kiSQEFoFiYf3xMPrHSVfKpEpXy1PyEnK7-UNhBerATfUR4TY X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi again, Hank. Yes, the issues are archived going back several years, so you should be able to seek out the December 2007 issue. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Dec 28 13:13:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60461 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 21:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 21:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 21:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cc2.20eea5ca (34940) for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:13:46 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from hewlett5k1589j (dialup-4.240.150.79.dial1.phoenix1.level3.net [4.240.150.79]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA051-887c47756706298; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:13:44 -0500 Message-ID: <013801c84996$887b1970$4f96f004@hewlett5k1589j> To: References: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:13:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 4.240.150.79 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kevin Tekel is a published author X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=Vz3AnAUmcT4SMRnSQHWbfJYRIdGZFFl_uldTGyOvRa6hDFRjHrhQ X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sounds good will let you know if I run in to any problems. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Donn Tillman To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 1:12 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Kevin Tekel is a published author Hi again, Hank. Yes, the issues are archived going back several years, so you should be able to seek out the December 2007 issue. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Dec 28 13:19:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68171 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 21:19:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 21:19:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.84) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 21:19:05 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.14]) by bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:19:04 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:19:05 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.11 by BLU108-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:19:01 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:19:01 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2007 21:19:05.0319 (UTC) FILETIME=[46961770:01C84997] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: XM channel 6 does WNDR-1260 Syracuse X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=e3jF0UzR3xW_9Q82t83D__K_h4myBDXNfRH0UsdHdMczk-sh3lnLo_AtMUo X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those in radio markets number 6 - 25, where there is little or no live and local programming, you can close your eyes and take a Magic Carpet Ride to the 1960's when most radio was live and local. XM channel 6 is re-creating WNDR- 1260, Syracuse, New York today through 9 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Dec 28 13:41:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84988 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2007 21:41:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2007 21:41:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2007 21:41:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 71403 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2007 21:41:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 99vbVucVM1ljQI56502A.kDTVDb5jlttqjj0_R5yK9S.dcRVUT9ZfNfiftBO1Fk2hqEoLjwQCw-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:41:15 PST Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:41:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80712281048o74a9624bu4fa53be49d98ff45@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <834681.70092.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ in Arkansas!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=DE5RmZceuC9HjHZhs22T1-3XBdfq0VUIcJreTyHZwa8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > I've heard KCJJ 1630 before, from Marks Mississippi > (smack in the middle of > nowhere, between Clarksdale and Batesville, south of > Tunica) I hear KCJJ regularly....when I lived in West Columbia and here in Silverstreet. The Augusta GA station on the frequency does not have very good ground wave coverage at all. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Dec 29 07:24:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84869 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2007 15:24:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2007 15:24:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.158) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2007 15:24:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 69004 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Dec 2007 15:24:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0Tk6DB8VM1nx7eOgdBelKc_cNgp84MXXe5ES..Qsq8qDAPN2X3l8yhdn_LFRd5CWLrgZ1.I.5cDkOrT9rnb0bMXPNUn64BxlCBWlpLlfh4jEgVxghpIIsyc50w-- X-Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 07:24:47 PST Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 07:24:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <753782.68021.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: KCJJ in Arkansas!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=udSXn4ATJq-_LUZFBfs9lj-26lZUW6hyPfuKtjZVJ4-Waj4q7Ti8NUM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio KCJJ must have some great soil, as you can hear them in Ohio in stereo regularly - UNTIL somebody at ODOT put their traffic info on 1630 in Toledo! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Dec 29 09:50:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9248 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2007 17:50:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2007 17:50:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2007 17:50:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50630 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Dec 2007 17:50:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: O4Ok1gAVM1lIESi9UKP7dvHTD48YQ1oUzX9nFuQj6XkSoSZ1HNlh7amPXFunthGyCqJdw4k59ySm2U.HzRIU8tuT.D0zUqh49f9H7rPHW.VkKnSnk5o- X-Received: from [24.192.189.76] by web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:50:44 PST Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:50:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <753782.68021.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <897335.40980.qm@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ in Arkansas!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=RVC4VTk5nfPgUptCLXOfR1MGofw_EYHZAGJTtaoagTJEOw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yup, and they arrive in stereo most nights in the Detroit/Pontiac area, too! Hope they aren't planning to jump on the IBOC wagon soon. G. --- "John P." wrote: > KCJJ must have some great soil, as you can hear them > in Ohio in stereo > regularly - UNTIL somebody at ODOT put their traffic > info on 1630 in > Toledo! > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Dec 29 11:26:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56282 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2007 19:26:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2007 19:26:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2007 19:26:16 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.70] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071229132614002207600004> for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:26:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00d401c84a51$2f21a680$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <897335.40980.qm@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:26:14 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ in Arkansas!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=cX2ozpcgYTrcismYgbeZKBG0MToqRIeXgOrneRQ9BjHpr2Sb6cm_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I doubt you'll have to worry about that anytime soon. It's a local station with a local owner. Visited there back in 2000 with Chris Cuff. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Yup, and they arrive in stereo most nights in the Detroit/Pontiac area, too! Hope they aren't planning to jump on the IBOC wagon soon. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Dec 29 11:30:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30729 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2007 19:30:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2007 19:30:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2007 19:30:54 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.70] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20071229133032002822100004> for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:30:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <012101c84a51$c8e64640$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:30:32 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Summarizing... Analog AM Stereo? or Digital HD? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=z7fq410xaeumsCuwGHIIK7A6seaZdQihPwaQ8MKtOAR4VLDlwhWF X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Frankly I think IBOC is going to come to a standstill, especially on MW. W= e'll have to see how the WYSL complaint against WBZ pans out before there's= any change. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 11:07 AM Subject: {AMSF} Summarizing... Analog AM Stereo? or Digital HD? Hi Gang!!! I wanna know if there is some "consensus" now, when the year is=20 gone, about the next 2008 year: 1) Analog AM Stereo? Or 2) Digital AM (HD, IBOC, DRM or some cryptic Kahn idea)? Some approach, please? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.9/1198 - Release Date: 12/26/07= 5:26 PM --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/= dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 31 05:08:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26458 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2007 13:08:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2007 13:08:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp110.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (68.142.229.95) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2007 13:08:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11588 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2007 13:08:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.8.231.76 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2007 13:08:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: W6CWQEsVM1kSrTo9cTE.GLvk8bBxeF8gIKA0rD4mvmKxheefmcIrEgubgYgMkIZmkAsZNvtOQQ-- Message-ID: <000c01c84bae$5942c580$20a4fea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 05:08:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.229.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Happy New Years X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=9ugWdGoE6zslaMemOOlJFlkmVYuqvWLv2tOi-9Kiy7LxFsyxi18sLdaHnVEtre6Ha457q3-v X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang If it has not been said yet Happy New Years. And happy 10th Anniversary to here The Am Stereo web site Thank you Kevin T. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Dec 31 08:36:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69153 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2007 16:36:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2007 16:36:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2007 16:36:08 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cc1.25f13f12 (42805) for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:35:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:35:39 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5006 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ in Arkansas!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=EqrVS0VsEttKCcWD_yH2TFs9L4cfHwZEb61by90CTTYCtL3Zq7gxzAP_SK6kpMBh X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/29/07 9:25:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: KCJJ must have some great soil, as you can hear them in Ohio in stereo regularly - UNTIL somebody at ODOT put their traffic info on 1630 in Toledo! I wonder what KCJJ's coverage would be like if they ran their full 10kW at night instead of cutting back to 1kW. By the way, KCJJ came in loud, clear, and in stereo in Spearsville. Louisiana. I would not have believed it. By the way, hasn't ODOT heard that's what 530 is reserved for? Mike **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 01 16:45:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12205 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 00:45:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2008 00:45:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.227) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 00:45:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6469 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2008 00:45:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: llnKFWwVM1mFmNRla_XotFsXqB0fypOZJJD9kY7ZUXq6A5xxWKPsstG5plvzSi1vmu.1_iTrDFld2w1QnsaWiaqBZ7rbk.o.3uiklDAS7wo26WRnExz3e6N0Ypb0zQ1M26RPK_AZV0879xI- X-Received: from [64.223.56.169] by web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:45:16 PST Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <115727.5467.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ in Arkansas!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=P1LYqVnjo32ypyMbXfmfsPBsf9rplKTMmGvugRcXm_WQF_kG-db4 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't forget 1610! By the way, hasn't ODOT heard that's what 530 is reserved for? Mike **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Jan 01 17:34:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26470 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 01:34:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2008 01:34:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.213) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 01:34:14 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W7 ([64.4.19.107]) by bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:32:00 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:32:00 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <115727.5467.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <115727.5467.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2008 01:32:00.0110 (UTC) FILETIME=[451E70E0:01C84CDF] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: Nashville Tennessee Directional Array X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=VwTLVljJ6L7j5N54orkyi8TMsmgBP0x__616cA2vdUFgD6UnYaHv X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently went back through Nasville and observed more closely the directional array I asked about in a previous post. I was mistaken, there are only 6 towers, arranged in two rows of three, aligned east - west. All down guys are insulated. They are slightly north of the I24/I65 connector (about 1/4 mile or less). Can any of our members identify this array? MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Jan 01 17:35:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33412 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 01:35:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2008 01:35:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.176) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 01:35:48 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id w53so1437419pyg.25 for ; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 17:35:47 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.8.13 with SMTP id l13mr17082852pyi.42.1199237747535; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 17:35:47 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:35:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80801011735t7106f587jdb10dc1051e481f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:35:47 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <115727.5467.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nashville Tennessee Directional Array X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=XqDHMZDz7WnioxkvFgje43DXS0Fa9HhunRHprPltmpug5gDrfHRDTmjt X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WVOl 1470 Berry Hill? Paul On Jan 1, 2008 8:32 PM, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO < mtgc@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I recently went back through Nasville and observed more closely the > directional array I asked about in a previous post. I was mistaken, there > are only 6 towers, arranged in two rows of three, aligned east - west. All > down guys are insulated. They are slightly north of the I24/I65 connector > (about 1/4 mile or less). > > Can any of our members identify this array? > > > MTGC (Michael) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Jan 01 18:07:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84810 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2008 02:07:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2008 02:07:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s11.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.211) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2008 02:07:55 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W23 ([64.4.19.123]) by bay0-omc3-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:07:55 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:07:55 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80801011735t7106f587jdb10dc1051e481f@mail.gmail.com> References: <115727.5467.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8bce0fe80801011735t7106f587jdb10dc1051e481f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2008 02:07:55.0764 (UTC) FILETIME=[49FD2340:01C84CE4] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Nashville Tennessee Directional Array X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=RgXvGQjfxnEd4GJJhVkgqOX61aU499KRUmLwdxR_n69TkByZHjn5 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe it is, in fact WVOL. I checked their web site and their address corresponds almost exactly where I saw the antenna system. Thanks for the information. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.comDate: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:35:47 -0500Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nashville Tennessee Directional Array WVOl 1470 Berry Hill?PaulOn Jan 1, 2008 8:32 PM, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote:>> I recently went back through Nasville and observed more closely the> directional array I asked about in a previous post. I was mistaken, there> are only 6 towers, arranged in two rows of three, aligned east - west. All> down guys are insulated. They are slightly north of the I24/I65 connector> (about 1/4 mile or less).>> Can any of our members identify this array?>>> MTGC (Michael)>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>> >-- Sincerely,Paul B. Walker, Jr.www.walkerbroadcasting.comwww.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Jan 02 20:12:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34857 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 04:12:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2008 04:12:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.227) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 04:12:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 68051 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2008 04:12:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pZKNg4cVM1nVKyrdY3FqnfRMEfdWsMWnuMvoWS_FO5HIjOfAGJlF8y.OKnSyw_ri7B_NulibPuoEB50dr.OcMWi9sG80BfSpM0XX.w5j50Ixlc..zL.9dV5P4k4qE9NZlgguDMQ_tsqlLQ-- X-Received: from [64.223.37.201] by web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 20:12:25 PST Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:12:25 -0800 (PST) To: ABDX , AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <584272.67401.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=MZO3JhxvC1RLQDUGIEjyY5ovgTsxgJyWEbC3js2uFbVWXHUiqRT5 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just wondering if anyone near Providence has gear for 222Mc/s as a friend & I have started ragchewing on 223.46Mc. 5 nights weekly (Su.-Th. @ 21:00 local). Just wondering if anyone else was interested in exploring ham radio's sadly forgotten band. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 (V31VQ renewal is pending) --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Thu Jan 03 10:06:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39749 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2008 18:05:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2008 18:05:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.125) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2008 18:05:58 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2008 18:05:58 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2008 18:05:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2008 18:05:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:05:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <584272.67401.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=9DX4v2SY6pH6PnC8GQSD2_cF5BakIhbZHWJdFPPT-DcC X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Unfortunately I'm crystal controlled on 223.5. I haven't turned the=20 rig on in years and Providence would be a long shot for me and my 10=20 watts from Long Island. But if you ever get down on 75 meters I'm=20 usally on with a friend of mine Sundays, 5 pm local time at @3.710=20 MHz on AM. The sked sometimes gets bumped due to family affairs. Jerry WA2FNQ =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Just wondering if anyone near Providence has gear for 222Mc/s as a=20 friend & I have started ragchewing on 223.46Mc. 5 nights weekly (Su.- Th. @ 21:00 local). Just wondering if anyone else was interested in=20 exploring ham radio's sadly forgotten band. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 > (V31VQ renewal is pending) >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 03 16:01:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77550 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 00:01:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 00:01:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.232) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 00:01:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 52719 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2008 00:01:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rp83qjsVM1n1hygbcPD9EURIakM3Xad3jFKUvmo. X-Received: from [64.223.48.92] by web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:01:46 PST Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 16:01:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <329971.48657.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=0EL-P-jfce3cO6K3FG730dekiZ9WYz8NKyDGid4RayirN0k8WN_L X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds good! I have a Swan rig that will synthesize AM (R3E I think). I can also go over to my ham club. Call there is W1AQ. They brag their license was issued BEFORE A.R.R.L.'s W1AW. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 V31VQ renewal pending. wa2fnq wrote: Unfortunately I'm crystal controlled on 223.5. I haven't turned the rig on in years and Providence would be a long shot for me and my 10 watts from Long Island. But if you ever get down on 75 meters I'm usally on with a friend of mine Sundays, 5 pm local time at @3.710 MHz on AM. The sked sometimes gets bumped due to family affairs. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Just wondering if anyone near Providence has gear for 222Mc/s as a friend & I have started ragchewing on 223.46Mc. 5 nights weekly (Su.- Th. @ 21:00 local). Just wondering if anyone else was interested in exploring ham radio's sadly forgotten band. > > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 > (V31VQ renewal is pending) > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n1ea@arrl.net Thu Jan 03 21:13:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@arrl.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47392 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 05:12:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 05:12:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.139) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 05:12:59 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n12.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 05:12:59 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 05:12:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 05:12:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:12:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.209.236.161 From: "David J. Ring, Jr." Subject: Re: Nashville Tennessee Directional Array X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77032563; y=JiQLIQf7mjSAiGCSFm-mo9CThqF0x7gQmpnV866UGZLWilk X-Yahoo-Profile: djringjr How about WWCR Short Wave in Nashville? http://www.wwcr.com/ Best to all - and Happy New Year! David Ring --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > >=20 > I recently went back through Nasville and observed more closely the directional array I asked about in a previous post. I was mistaken, there are only 6 towers, arranged in two rows of three, aligned east - west. All down guys are insulated. They are slightly north of the I24/I65 connector (about 1/4 mile or less). >=20=20 > Can any of our members identify this array? >=20=20 >=20=20 > MTGC (Michael) >=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Jan 03 21:17:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72461 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 05:17:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 05:17:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.183) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 05:17:27 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id n24so2354864pyh.26 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:17:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.49.4 with SMTP id b4mr20121664pyk.35.1199423843472; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:17:23 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 21:17:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80801032117j20237fb6y65dbae70a537b271@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 00:17:23 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Nashville Tennessee Directional Array X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=1Hcfop6qM2K2HQT36sXVmVCsF2w8ptPEyCG6gGXPdSZYJ8b9yIPkgojv X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's WVOL 1470 Berry Hill They use 2 towers by day and 6 towers at night. WWCR Shortwave doesn't use towers exactly like a traditional AM broadcast station does, I don't think. On Jan 4, 2008 12:12 AM, David J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > How about WWCR Short Wave in Nashville? > http://www.wwcr.com/ > > Best to all - and Happy New Year! > > David Ring > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - > CEO wrote: > > > > > > I recently went back through Nasville and observed more closely the > directional array I asked about in a previous post. I was mistaken, > there are only 6 towers, arranged in two rows of three, aligned east - > west. All down guys are insulated. They are slightly north of the > I24/I65 connector (about 1/4 mile or less). > > > > Can any of our members identify this array? > > > > > > MTGC (Michael) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n1ea@arrl.net Thu Jan 03 21:34:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@arrl.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18526 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 05:34:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 05:34:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 05:34:11 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 05:34:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 05:34:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 05:34:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:34:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.209.236.161 From: "David J. Ring, Jr." Subject: Re: Nashville Tennessee Directional Array X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77032563; y=UCs3621hSh7XOp95T8IyLJp7znvei3DiL__cQcXbf0iIKJ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: djringjr Here is where WWCR Short Wave is located: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=3Dq&hl=3Den&geocode=3D&time=3D&date=3D&ttype= =3D&q=3D36.208333,+-86.893889&ie=3DUTF8&ll=3D36.208615,-86.893895&spn=3D0.0= 0812,0.015278&t=3Dh&z=3D16&om=3D1 Best David From n1ea@arrl.net Thu Jan 03 21:38:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@arrl.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33072 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 05:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 05:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.215) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 05:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 05:38:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 05:38:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 05:38:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:38:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80801032117j20237fb6y65dbae70a537b271@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.209.236.161 From: "David J. Ring, Jr." Subject: {AMSF} Re: Nashville Tennessee Directional Array X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77032563; y=fH7JAYg8FP1RnVrduUr_WYAXsWDtOVHcWPxAVdf6pK-6Xg4 X-Yahoo-Profile: djringjr You got the brass ring - great job - here is the location! http://maps.google.com/maps?f=3Dq&hl=3Den&q=3D36.20028,+-86.77972+(WVOL-AM)= &om=3D1&ie=3DUTF8&ll=3D36.200287,-86.779397&spn=3D0.00406,0.007639&t=3Dh&z= =3D17 It's WVOL 1470 Berry Hill > They use 2 towers by day and 6 towers at night. >=20 > WWCR Shortwave doesn't use towers exactly like a traditional AM broadcast > station does, I don't think. From n1ea@arrl.net Thu Jan 03 22:11:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: n1ea@arrl.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65307 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 06:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 06:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.162) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 06:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 06:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 06:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 06:11:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:11:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.209.236.161 From: "David J. Ring, Jr." Subject: {AMSF} Re: Nashville Tennessee Directional Array X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77032563; y=5X5rWsx7EDrtxzCrgaq9pIbLUqdcKzccvj5LY2CsIQu0NKk X-Yahoo-Profile: djringjr This is the most amazing antenna array I've ever seen - it is on the south side of Interstate 20 just past Rockwall, Texas. I think it is 12 towers which send a very sharp beam to Dallas. They have the same field strength at night with 5 kW as they do with a closer antenna running 50 kW daytime. (Of course it is a very narrow footprint!) http://maps.google.com/maps?f=3Dq&hl=3Den&q=3D32.89917,+-96.41306+(KFXR-AM)= &om=3D1&ie=3DUTF8&ll=3D32.897903,-96.411338&spn=3D0.002112,0.003819&t=3Dh&z= =3D18 It was known as KLIF for many years. Here is the best picture of the 12 stick AM antenna array: http://www.qsl.net/n1ea/Rockwall 12 Tower001.jpg David From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jan 04 03:53:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57551 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 11:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 11:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.135) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 11:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 11:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 11:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 11:52:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 11:52:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.6.201 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=C8KTpIEArjJeHD7DbeYdABVYdprlzSRA0VAxjOtiod06hTvT X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > Unfortunately I'm crystal controlled on 223.5. I haven't turned the=20 > rig on in years and Providence would be a long shot for me and my 10=20 > watts from Long Island. But if you ever get down on 75 meters I'm=20 > usally on with a friend of mine Sundays, 5 pm local time at @3.710=20 > MHz on AM. The sked sometimes gets bumped due to family affairs. >=20 > Jerry WA2FNQ You still doing AMS there, or has that gone by the wayside in more recent times? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ *grumbles about the lack of AMS hams in the western US- What few there are in the eastern US are too far away* From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Jan 04 09:46:17 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 60475 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2008 17:46:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2008 17:46:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n51b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.165) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2008 17:46:14 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 17:46:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 17:46:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2008 17:46:14 -0000 Date: 4 Jan 2008 17:46:14 -0000 Message-ID: <1199468774.8969.50921.w109@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /EE25906D-3D6C-4219-B1E6-A870F1279515.pdf Uploaded by : pdmtr Description : Europe Digital AM draft (read the interesting AM Stereo paragraph on it)! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/EE25906D-3D6C-4219-B1E6-A870F1279515.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, pdmtr From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jan 04 23:18:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88203 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2008 07:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2008 07:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2008 07:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ced.259194c3 (29673) for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 02:18:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 02:18:17 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ in Arkansas!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=8n-xwL9PaK9RjI1QDcKwsY5n1PvovZ-7u0eKEYduUJQmkGEhUFan9cF9K4XLyhGq X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/1/08 6:45:31 PM Central Standard Time, a1asurfradio@yahoo.com writes: > Don't forget 1610! > I just got back from Chicago, and driving up Lakeshore Drive I noticed the transportation authority is using 1650, right in the middle of the extended AM band. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jan 04 23:43:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15811 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2008 07:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2008 07:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2008 07:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bdd.216f5e58 (29673) for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 02:43:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 02:43:48 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Nashville Tennessee Directional Array X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ZaeKFCOYF-sT43X8UXUn95vMiKn7RZbk0VsWDp0wD7Glo0o5vCPym9rPw5hKohsw X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/3/08 11:13:14 PM Central Standard Time, n1ea@arrl.net writes: > How about WWCR Short Wave in Nashville? > Shortwave stations do not typically use vertical tower arrays like standard AM broadcast stations do. Their antenna systems are generally more complex. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jan 04 23:53:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1014 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2008 07:53:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2008 07:53:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2008 07:53:47 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d41.1e65ec27 (29673) for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 02:53:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 02:53:43 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Nashville Tennessee Directional Array X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=KR0TFFBVSGhM9o4E8AD61wWcqT4h3hZ_BNEqHeiZmtMyg-DllaLyez33Wvx13-1q X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WGDY had difficult to maintain array. It was rumored the transmitter engineers would periodically make offerrings to the Phaser God to keep it in align. With the advent of modular transmitters, I wonder why no one has thought of low level phasing. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Jan 05 04:12:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85315 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2008 12:12:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2008 12:12:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.182) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2008 12:12:29 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id w49so3116041pyg.36 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 04:12:29 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.38.17 with SMTP id q17mr6851678pyj.47.1199535148568; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 04:12:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 04:12:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80801050412s5c707de3y43b58a6b1972eed3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 07:12:28 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ in Arkansas!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=j2DrimpDcmYQBUToodvs0dEtxPNRjdonPdQ8Ds0SrwjqSnbo-zRTbR8C X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The City of Glastonbury, CT is uysing WPII600... on 1570Khz. ANd it gets out REALLLY well... I've heard it myself all over the place. Paul On Jan 5, 2008 2:18 AM, wrote: > In a message dated 1/1/08 6:45:31 PM Central Standard Time, > a1asurfradio@yahoo.com writes: > > > Don't forget 1610! > > > I just got back from Chicago, and driving up Lakeshore Drive I noticed the > > transportation authority is using 1650, right in the middle of the > extended AM > band. > > Mike > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sat Jan 05 08:19:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38547 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2008 16:19:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2008 16:19:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2008 16:19:43 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2008 16:19:43 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2008 16:19:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2008 16:19:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:19:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <329971.48657.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=LZI-J1YVH1bGNm4aMnXhZpC-e0nR1YbTcH3UIeyEd6eE X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Great!! We'll look for you but we moved the sked to Saturday, same=20 time, same place. CUL 73 for now. Jerry --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Sounds good! I have a Swan rig that will synthesize AM (R3E I=20 think). I can also go over to my ham club. Call there is W1AQ.=20=20 They brag their license was issued BEFORE A.R.R.L.'s W1AW. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 > V31VQ renewal pending. >=20 > wa2fnq wrote: = =20 Unfortunately I'm crystal controlled on 223.5. I haven't turned the=20 > rig on in years and Providence would be a long shot for me and my=20 10=20 > watts from Long Island. But if you ever get down on 75 meters I'm=20 > usally on with a friend of mine Sundays, 5 pm local time at=20 @3.710=20 > MHz on AM. The sked sometimes gets bumped due to family affairs. >=20=20 > Jerry WA2FNQ >=20=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > > > Just wondering if anyone near Providence has gear for 222Mc/s=20 as a=20 > friend & I have started ragchewing on 223.46Mc. 5 nights weekly=20 (Su.- > Th. @ 21:00 local). Just wondering if anyone else was interested=20 in=20 > exploring ham radio's sadly forgotten band. > >=20 > > 73, > > Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 > > (V31VQ renewal is pending) > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > --------------------------------- > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 > = =20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jan 05 15:19:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58753 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2008 23:19:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2008 23:19:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2008 23:19:28 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.180] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080105171902000440500004> for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:19:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008801c84ff1$e926b5c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:19:02 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Nashville Tennessee Directional Array X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=eps3T3E5tdzPKKnUYlz3WBXikp-yiddykjhXqmYiqB2c59mvegFe X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It has been proposed. I'm not sure they've figured out what to do about negative towers (those that receive more energy from adjoining towers than what they're fed from the phasor, not negative in phase.) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com With the advent of modular transmitters, I wonder why no one has thought of low level phasing. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jan 08 11:54:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mjgrant@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51558 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2008 19:54:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2008 19:54:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2008 19:54:54 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2008 19:54:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2008 19:54:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2008 19:54:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:54:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80712281027u7d18c3c4td60b75e0ad2aa76f@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.12.117.131 From: "grant_at_hardscrapple" Subject: Re: {AMSF} There is something on 1710 kilohertz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=XMY-6ax_qzzmf07J5mvy_E--Eer0thtggjyf0Ykt1Cb_7DGTxluSwJQxP1Snk26S X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Last night something dawned on me about the mystery signal on 1710.=20=20 Turning up the volume on the car radio (on battery only), there was=20 the usual low level 360 hertz which comes from amplitude modulation=20 of the carrier by the residual ripple in the power source. Nothing=20 out of the ordinary, so I never gave it a second thought at the time. Wait a minute! How many small transmitters use 3-phase power=20 supplies? Mike >=20 > On Dec 28, 2007 1:22 PM, wrote: >=20 > > I have been scouting out some places to do some antenna testing. > > Strangely, in the late afternoon, an unmodulated mono carrier=20 appeared for > > around 15 minutes beginning at approximately 16:23 CST. The=20 Roadmaster > > Delco AMS radio locked on it during scan. My Sony communications=20 receiver > > has a BFO and signal strength indicator, both verified the=20 presence of a > > carrier within 100 hertz (the limit of the receiver's precision) > > at 1,710 kilohertz. The Sony's signal strength indicator is not=20 calibrated, > > but for comparision, the signal was about equal to known 1 > > kW nondirectional station on 800 khz about 40 miles away. > > > > According to the FCC, the should not be anything on 1710. > > > > Has anyone else come across this signal? If so, what gives? > > > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jotape1960 > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:07 am > > Subject: {AMSF} Summarizing... Analog AM Stereo? or Digital HD? > > > > Hi Gang!!! > > > > I wanna know if there is some "consensus" now, when the year is > > gone, about the next 2008 year: > > > > 1) Analog AM Stereo? > > > > Or > > > > 2) Digital AM (HD, IBOC, DRM or some cryptic Kahn idea)? > > > > Some approach, please? > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > > http://webmail.aol.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com Wed Jan 09 06:14:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54181 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2008 14:14:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2008 14:14:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.183) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2008 14:14:18 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2008 14:14:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2008 14:14:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2008 14:14:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:14:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.175.225.22 From: "ai9e_qrp" Subject: Re: {AMSF} There is something on 1710 kilohertz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=241001136; y=Kx7QpLkihj8OlMCS5zKA1FPgOmFxuoTkyJvXfVPfnnxzJYU X-Yahoo-Profile: ai9e_qrp Could it be the 3rd harmonic of something on 570? 73 - NM0S --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "grant_at_hardscrapple"=20 wrote: > > Last night something dawned on me about the mystery signal on 1710.=20=20 > Turning up the volume on the car radio (on battery only), there was=20 > the usual low level 360 hertz which comes from amplitude modulation=20 > of the carrier by the residual ripple in the power source. Nothing=20 > out of the ordinary, so I never gave it a second thought at the time. >=20 > Wait a minute! How many small transmitters use 3-phase power=20 > supplies? From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jan 09 09:56:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27266 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2008 17:56:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2008 17:56:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2008 17:56:38 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cba.20607739 (32915) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:56:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:56:31 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} There is something on 1710 kilohertz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=GHaHJR99XJcSCdtgGU7GDT1NGpjXuVGxLSo8bA-BP9UTYp4GgjFUrhZrqY3y9BU4 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/9/08 8:14:48 AM Central Standard Time, ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com writes: > Could it be the 3rd harmonic of something on 570? > Not really. We have local stations at 550 (5 kW) and 590 (1kW). The closest thing on 570 is quite a distance away and even their fundamental is not detectable. The third harmonic of our local 5kW station at 550 (1650) is also undetectable. Besides, the signal would not cleanly turn-on and turn-off and would be modulated by something more than residual power supply ripple. Good suggestion, though. Does anyone know the reason why 1610 and 1710 were never assigned? Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jan 09 09:59:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90176 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2008 17:59:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2008 17:59:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.160) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2008 17:59:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 41163 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2008 17:59:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dOzoguEVM1nvUaL1_NDWIIYo_8ooC4Tb1VFOy2iTZf1RZIevofwjDMzOdo_mfxSQWLaRcF2UfA-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:59:43 PST Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:59:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <240689.40167.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} There is something on 1710 kilohertz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=SuGmHY-Z7i3ubtYvFgLOTATJOKeDD2X73-ADzeq5SSU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know the reason why 1610 and 1710 were > never assigned? > > Mike `1610 had a station in Atlanta, Texas for awhile. They went dark and was deleted. Same question ought to go to 530. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Jan 09 17:13:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1383 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2008 01:13:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2008 01:13:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2008 01:13:19 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.182] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080109191307000352300003> for ; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:13:07 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009501c85326$88d237c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:13:07 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} There is something on 1710 kilohertz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=aeaf6Pl3lCuA-0Q4y9Ro7v9BZU1oJsI05-GrbVbf3YybkuoJdKg8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1710 was designated strictly as a TIS frequency. Nothing ever ended up there because not all car radios would tune it- the one in my 98 Neon being a perfect example. The problem with 1610 is the adjacent 1600. It's such a congested frequency it was almost impossible to fit anything next to it. Remember that EB stations had to be nondirectional, though the FCC has relaxed that requirement allowing simple directionals; none of this nine tower stuff. As to the 360Hz you heard, I don't think anything below 5kW is three phase anymore. The last three phase kilowatt was made back in the late 40s, early 50s maybe. Might be a couple of pirates off frequency- not enough signal to be heard of either one other than the heterodyne. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com Does anyone know the reason why 1610 and 1710 were never assigned? --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jan 09 20:32:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58053 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2008 04:32:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2008 04:32:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2008 04:32:11 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d23.16b2a152 (29678) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 23:32:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 23:32:08 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} There is something on 1710 kilohertz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=aAB3c9Qr5dcxGAEghjyWrBtCgAfqeg2LMNjDdsiBJIZ87sFsE7hrqRaQNX6v7zaW X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/9/08 7:13:33 PM Central Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > 1710 was designated strictly as a TIS frequency. Nothing ever ended up > there because not all car radios would tune it- the one in my 98 Neon being a > perfect example. The problem with 1610 is the adjacent 1600. It's such a > congested frequency it was almost impossible to fit anything next to it. Remember > that EB stations had to be nondirectional, though the FCC has relaxed that > requirement allowing simple directionals; none of this nine tower stuff. > > As to the 360Hz you heard, I don't think anything below 5kW is three phase > anymore. The last three phase kilowatt was made back in the late 40s, early > 50s maybe. Might be a couple of pirates off frequency- not enough signal to be > heard of either one other than the heterodyne. > > That what I mean. Whatever the signal came from, it had some power behind it. I was thinking maybe some kind of industrial equipment like induction heating or something. It's just odd that it was exactly 1710. You're right. I haven't seen 3-phase 1 kW plants for a very long time. The couple I remember dated back to pre-WWII with single digit microfarad filter caps. KMOX has a state of the art transmitter, but doesn't have enough dead air to see what their residual is. I suspect the new rigs use switchmode power supplies simply for their efficiency and compactness. 1710 would be a great frequency to reserve for LPAM with 530 for CCAM. In my day, it was already being used for that purpose. Here in St. Louis, MoDot uses 530, but I have no idea how they transmit it. It's low level barely audible, EVERYWHERE. The signal strength is low but really uniform. It's the same in my backyard as on the urban interstates, downtown, the burbs, etc.. I was going to call MoDot and ask, but their lines are too congested with death threats over the closing of Highway 40. You're right about 1600, but there are quite a number of stations on 1590. I know. In college, the third harmonic of our 530 khz carrier current station fell right on a local station at that frequency. Had the FCC spent any more time at our station, it would have been designated a field office. Does the name Paul F. Hampton have any meaning to anyone? Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 08:39:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58794 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2008 16:39:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2008 16:39:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.158) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2008 16:39:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18766 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2008 16:39:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hD7oaOYVM1mYk7sKeQKiKF9zQq4KwhEOlffZhgBOsWNHnDlkETYC5MPqKsiHmBmEuihguwC6nwjXh31tudpZsriH9kU2O1VprhtM.wbZtHOxa5uFotTmgl9pHw-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:39:22 PST Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:39:22 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <932213.18524.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=GTIgTJiGMYaaqiNW6E5k24QpP-uB1dLGPi0u-lmQw89tnoEPMox1FEg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Check this out - this French dude makes his own vacuum tubes! How many tubes to make an AMS set? Too bad there aren't more tinkerers like this in the world! Here's the link: http://dailymotion.alice.it/video/x3wrzo_fabrication-dune-lampe-triode_tech ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 10 11:42:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3367 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2008 19:42:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2008 19:42:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2008 19:42:18 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cb6.203819a4 (29679) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:42:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:41:59 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=C81KWhDsVMxsIwYAdRXSBCeMXoySPhtwIBg_nTkFRz7P69VzTKAcUhG9rCzc3q4h X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/08 10:39:51 AM Central Standard Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > How many tubes to make an AMS set? > It's probably doable. RCA made an Amphiphase exciter with just tubes. Just think how complex a TV receiver is and those were made with all tubes. The atomic bombs dropped in WWII were developed with tube equipment and vacuum tube driven. I belong to Fun with Tubes. There might be some folks there willing to take it on. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 12:29:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17399 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2008 20:29:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2008 20:29:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.202) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2008 20:29:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50020 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2008 20:29:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AzgUHokVM1mAZUtVVorIn0vFbUWmnh0NGLJLe2GMjqZ7pORbxtmv027rTznde8fYzIMNwK4j.8D_JmlFVb7wNwW1pzbsm75zbRQdwmwnrC096gI4Fff3bn9X8s0k8Q-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:29:44 PST Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:29:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <570531.49731.qm@web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=PmPhhvDfefELy1-typj75xQK0zvKjdGYU2QWPQ-9tB1geA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Mike, what is the "Fun with Tubes" you mentioned? Sounds very interesting! (A few friends and I have kicked around the idea of making tubes, and amongst us is a saying..."If it hasn't got a filament, what good is it?") Regards, George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/10/08 10:39:51 AM Central > Standard Time, > toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > > > > How many tubes to make an AMS set? > > > It's probably doable. RCA made an Amphiphase > exciter with just tubes. Just > think how complex a TV receiver is and those were > made with all tubes. The > atomic bombs dropped in WWII were developed with > tube equipment and vacuum tube > driven. I belong to Fun with Tubes. There might be > some folks there willing > to take it on. > > Mike > > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 10 12:41:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79314 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2008 20:41:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2008 20:41:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2008 20:41:13 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bd5.22ee9b1f (41809) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:41:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:40:59 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=m455golduUELv9TC0DQTQkExUWlUDfq5P57ASlsHAQTHuEOC_THQiuP-q9n-QsZR X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/08 2:30:14 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Mike, > what is the "Fun with Tubes" you mentioned? http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/ Fun with Tubes is a website and Yahoogroup hosted by Max Robinson, a retired physics professor and musician. He has taken on the task of preserving the wealth of knowledge and heritage of vacuum tube electronics. A true authoritative source. No myths, magic wire, charmed circuits, etc.. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 10 12:51:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66052 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2008 20:51:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2008 20:51:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2008 20:51:02 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ce2.2287f93c (41809) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:50:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:50:43 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ZLeHaftxLMC2RHaLdgKCAGnEmOZjtqpsONCOGkMEVV1GruGu8aKr6Mdcw7XGBtdJ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/08 2:30:14 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > I have kicked > around the idea of making tubes, Tubes are not difficult to make. There first ones were in fact made by accident while trying to improve incandescent lamps. Making a useful tube is another matter. Although there are know physical laws which characterize their characteristics, most designs are empirical arrived at through trial and error in the laboratory. Even with modern high power computers to do the mathematics, the basic design of the 6L6 "kinkless" beam power tube developed in the early 1930s has not been improved upon. The same is true of 12AX7 developed shortly after World War II. Why tubes sound as good as they do is still somewhat of mystery. Well designed tube transmitters typically sound much better than their specifications and proofs would suggest. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Jan 10 13:31:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62594 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2008 21:31:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2008 21:31:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2008 21:31:21 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.85] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080110152601000666200003> for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:26:01 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001a01c853cf$fb2809e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:26:01 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} There is something on 1710 kilohertz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Ww8N4r57kYXrrDV-dPDJk3D5DT8yHnnHGeuwoeVHiCmX3wiEW8AG X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My guess would be buried Radiax cable, considering the wavelength of that frequency. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Here in St. Louis, MoDot uses 530, but I have no idea how they transmit it. It's low level barely audible, EVERYWHERE. The signal strength is low but really uniform. It's the same in my backyard as on the urban interstates, downtown, the burbs, etc.. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Jan 10 13:32:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22293 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2008 21:32:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2008 21:32:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2008 21:32:17 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.85] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080110153203001826400003> for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:32:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006501c853d0$d3a70320$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <932213.18524.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:32:03 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=M3ffpfMdV6qe2FsXwQHZF8zqAiaNDsKwS1uTQNc5hKQ4dhe2ta8K X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If that guy wanted to make some reproduction WD-11 tubes I'll bet he could sell quite a few to the antique radio crowd. Scott Todd --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 18:18:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29720 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 02:18:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2008 02:18:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.204) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 02:18:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 52146 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2008 02:18:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MF5kAmYVM1mBwR.VtsQImbnJHj2YHstvOEHOkOHrZttNblzIfUvf5LP8sMe9lZne.VHL639dHf7r3H3pUP.I9ytCJtsmx0XaulNocULsPICbc0uX3dlu4zrTwBalgg-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:18:01 PST Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:18:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <450265.32020.qm@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=y8rGrs-iV2kxZ5F9ZmccHSYqfd5mqNVjJOc_aio4RHsvuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes sir, it's hard to improve on some of those old tubes! As for older transmitters, a good example is the Continental 317c. Those old monsters sure sounded good, didn't they? What my friends and I have been discussing is possibly taking apart old tuning eye tubes, like the very rare 6T5, and re-coating the targets with new phosphor, as phosphor failure ("burn") seems to be the main problem with such tubes. We've also considered designing a few new styles of our own, with different color phosphors, maybe mixing colors scraped from old CRTs. Custom tuning eyes, anyone? Main problem is finding a vacuum pump that can pull the needed vacuum, but we are looking into that. Probably no market for such activities, but I do know a few Zenith collectors that would pay good money for a nice bright 6T5! Fun is the main motivation, though,I admit. BTW, I check out "Fun with Tubes"...great site! Thanks for the pointer. Regards, George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/10/08 2:30:14 PM Central > Standard Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > I have kicked > > around the idea of making tubes, > > Tubes are not difficult to make. There first ones > were in fact made by > accident while trying to improve incandescent lamps. > Making a useful tube is > another matter. Although there are know physical > laws which characterize their > characteristics, most designs are empirical arrived > at through trial and error in > the laboratory. > > Even with modern high power computers to do the > mathematics, the basic design > of the 6L6 "kinkless" beam power tube developed in > the early 1930s has not > been improved upon. The same is true of 12AX7 > developed shortly after World War > II. > > Why tubes sound as good as they do is still somewhat > of mystery. Well > designed tube transmitters typically sound much > better than their specifications and > proofs would suggest. > > Mike > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 18:25:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24773 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 02:25:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2008 02:25:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.204) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 02:25:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 55061 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2008 02:25:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rJoaPa8VM1korZfKg7CTHchTaO9sBtpmdJhOTkndkTl5UpwsyTUKhqUO2QOEGJxtCrPuRf67VQ3BG5Ao8.3HB3q1Of3.arQ0Sdf15Uk8qHpB_bTh1lE- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:25:11 PST Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:25:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006501c853d0$d3a70320$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <469926.51909.qm@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Trye_-fqyBr2ehgACQ5whtNu6xMlKr_xMD-1Lo7SVappfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Hmm, in that video, the base he used looks very much like a WD-11, at least the pin arrangement does. I'm one of those old radio nuts (member of Michigan Antique Radio Club), and I've often wondered why Russia hasn't seen that market potential, since they can make small runs of tubes. One of our guys was actually taking '01As apart and hiding sub-mini triodes inside...and he seemed to be selling them well. Now if that guy in France can make a batch of 1L6 tubes, he can retire! Regards, George --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > If that guy wanted to make some reproduction WD-11 > tubes I'll bet he could sell quite a few to the > antique radio crowd. > > Scott Todd > > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 20:42:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60792 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 04:42:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2008 04:42:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.250) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 04:42:09 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2008 04:42:09 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2008 04:42:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2008 04:42:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:42:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.48 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=hvahgiFo4v9QT5iZ9T01iWnNTxdJaUAwWnKhD9jGMO16URDJbw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 1/10/08 2:30:14 PM Central Standard Time,=20 > wlx1430@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > I have kicked > > around the idea of making tubes,=20 >=20 > Tubes are not difficult to make. There first ones were in fact=20 made by=20 > accident while trying to improve incandescent lamps. Making a=20 useful tube is=20 > another matter. Although there are know physical laws which=20 characterize their=20 > characteristics, most designs are empirical arrived at through=20 trial and error in=20 > the laboratory. >=20 > Even with modern high power computers to do the mathematics, the=20 basic design=20 > of the 6L6 "kinkless" beam power tube developed in the early 1930s=20 has not=20 > been improved upon. The same is true of 12AX7 developed shortly=20 after World War=20 > II. >=20 > Why tubes sound as good as they do is still somewhat of mystery.=20=20 Well=20 > designed tube transmitters typically sound much better than their=20 specifications and=20 > proofs would suggest. >=20 > Mike >=20 Hi Gang!!! The only one negative issue with the vacuum tubes is the great=20 amount of electric power we need to get a few real RF power in the=20 air, but nobody can dispute the very good and beautiful sound tubes=20 have. I think an "state-of-the-art" vacuum tube AM TX could be pass an AM=20 Stereo test. However, I'm not sure if a vacuum tube circuit could be=20 pass a today digital AF/RF test. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 10 20:52:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4790 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 04:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2008 04:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 04:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cc0.2713ce83 (41812) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:52:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:52:36 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=AVRc62qRrcmwsHpXrnKIvD3hAL9eFJuM2Y_WFXORPsPqxkkY_p-VJCWN_rJlD0P3 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/08 8:18:24 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Yes sir, it's hard to improve on some of those old > tubes! > As for older transmitters, a good example is the > Continental 317c. > Those old monsters sure sounded good, didn't they? > To commerate the new millineum in 2000, WLW put its original 1927 vintage Western Electric 7A on the air instead of its state of the art Harris 3DX. One wound have expected a difference somewhat akin to comparing an audiofile sound system of today to a windup wax cylinder phonograph. It wasn't. With modern audio processing up in front of it, the WE sounded great! Just as an aside, just try convincing Management at most stations today to spend any time or money maintaining a museum piece in working order. Many complain about spending anything for PM on the main. By the way, a Continental 317-C is/was a fine sounding transmitter. A number of years ago, a border blaster used three of them in parallel to get their 150kW. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 10 21:04:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20541 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 05:04:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2008 05:04:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 05:03:59 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d5a.1afaed7c (41812) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:03:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:03:42 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=uv7RIfNhC9J24J1dIsrKRkGDfiLb9hHx4eR-r41NaW37FXdfPmCo7lzMqVxcXWlU X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/08 8:18:24 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Yes sir, it's hard to improve on some of those old > tubes! > As for older transmitters, a good example is the > Continental 317c. > Those old monsters sure sounded good, didn't they? > I'm surprised the Russian's don't. Either too much NOS around or too little demand. Russia has former military plants that turn out good quality products. Russian consumer goods were shoddy, but their military electronics, while dated by Western standards, was always first class. To obtain the reliability they did with vacuum electronics was a real art. Speaking of Zenith collectors, I have a Zenith 10A1 "Big Black Dial" console radio that could use a new rubber thingy that holds the glass cover. The old one disintegrated. Any ideas? Like the Connie 317, the Zenith sounds remarkably good. It is very smooth, mellow, and listenable. It also tunes the Extended AM Broadcast Band. That was some forward thinking for 1941! Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 10 21:09:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29939 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 05:09:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2008 05:09:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 05:09:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c80.1c6e4261 (41812) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:09:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:09:12 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Rm0-TmgLQy3Ru0ix6HTga6S9Lj3kx-bj51DFADzNam1vk1H7ubSOlbevGZHfeqkU X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/08 8:18:24 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > I do know > a few Zenith collectors that would pay good money for > a nice bright 6T5! > There was a rumor that a Ukranian factory was making 6T5 and 6E5 indicator tubes. They were nice and bright. The problem was they glowed just as bright without B+ every being applied. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 10 21:12:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22146 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 05:12:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2008 05:12:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 05:12:11 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c87.20fe5c4f (41812) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:12:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:12:07 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=NdgckZG4w9etvYmk-1x9HQx8zfSw1bGEYhJDwAkANbUV58sJiYVox3MAWbOTNZU_ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/08 8:18:24 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Main problem is finding a vacuum pump that can pull > the needed vacuum, but we are looking into that. > High vacuum pumps are readily available, both new and used. The real challenge is the metalurgy of the filament and heater. The older tubes used thorium and other toxic materials. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 10 21:34:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96099 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 05:34:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2008 05:34:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 05:34:55 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d3f.1f4373d3 (41812) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:34:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:34:39 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=-ZRYV3kZqRk1TIpQe-h3k1wVtbJmcxEiF0TXoRafz-wvjTvSPD4M1G20lROM7QtS X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/10/08 10:42:31 PM Central Standard Time,=20 jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > I think an "state-of-the-art" vacuum tube AM TX could be pass an AM=20 > Stereo test. However, I'm not sure if a vacuum tube circuit could be=20 > pass a today digital AF/RF test. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 High power tetrodes and triodes are far superior to theie its power mosfet= =20 and biploar counterparts. The reason why transmitter manufacturers went wi= th=20 solid state finals was cost, both capital and operating, as well as reliabi= lity.=20 The latter didn't hold much water if a tube transmitter was well maintaine= d.=20 I've known stations with tube transmitters that had unscheduled downtime i= n=20 the order of minutes per year. I've also known at least one tube transmitt= er=20 that sufferred no damage whatsoever after the tower took a direct lightning= =20 hit strong enough to shatter the base insulator. Tubes do digital very well. Look at the pulse amplifiers used for long rea= ch=20 radar. Nuclear weapons use tubes to deliver the detonation pulse. It's ju= st=20 that digital arrived long after tubes had already left the scene.=20=20 Mike Mike ************** Start the year off right. 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Pioneer, Sony, Dual and Audiovox are showing new IBOC receivers. More buzz! _____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on paralegal training and make up to $150K/ year. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m8nofvBOkkjLl1fkaG1BmWYs= cd3WWUe0WQRygEOfEZJ1MqU/ From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 10 23:20:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30913 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 07:20:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2008 07:20:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.183.155) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 07:20:05 -0000 X-Received: from [217.12.4.214] by n7.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2008 07:20:04 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by t1.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2008 07:20:04 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.111.169] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2008 07:20:04 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp104.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2008 07:20:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 703329.65511.bm@omp104.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 59110 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2008 07:20:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6JixuAIVM1nfg.PDZbBBTAWaVxqje9BVsHfxUNMF1mhNeng.75VnctvzwH1EADnx9.8LHqDpZTIja6YPY_BpZJrLr9B9DJQgT11IRCKo82Nwm4rTKSckk84- X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:20:03 PST Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:20:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080110.215849.28801.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <657315.58205.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.183.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} CES and Ibiquity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=qDeQGkYmls42JnfIoNV7kMDPV9-PZaQxV1ptMm_vNUHL_0udkGFq X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Usually the HD is only on the upper to top model. I know thats true currently with sony and onkyo. They will have to include HD on the working mans receivers too before it will ever catch on big! :o) --- W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > CES booth for Ibiquity is its largest booth ever. > > Receiver makers are producing more products for IBOC > and adding new "HD" Radio receivers; More than 25 > booths are showing IBOC products for a total of over > 50 "HD" Radio-related items. > > Pioneer, Sony, Dual and Audiovox are showing new > IBOC receivers. > > More buzz! > _____________________________________________________________ > Click for free info on paralegal training and make > up to $150K/ year. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m8nofvBOkkjLl1fkaG1BmWYscd3WWUe0WQRygEOfEZJ1MqU/ > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 07:59:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58802 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 15:59:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2008 15:59:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 15:59:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17027 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2008 15:59:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: k_7jO.gVM1lWjD41OByowqV3RK.3bu0suFuw6.8Hac8ZL442BbwSFu_MHb5iQ0OcqBmq3qKQxw-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.137] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:59:08 PST Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:59:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <657315.58205.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <95425.15759.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CES and Ibiquity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=dqe3-_XO-XXXOeI1vetvePVUs5wQxs3m-06x1-5nLWI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Usually the HD is only on the upper to top model. I > know thats true currently with sony and onkyo. They > will have to include HD on the working mans > receivers > too before it will ever catch on big! :o) That's true. Also power levels on FM, now at 1% of analog, need to be higher. They are talking about a 10% power level. In Greenville-Kevin's area WMYI 102.5 is running HD. Their power level is 19,200. That means their HD is 192 watts. Yes I DID get it to decode in the Hendersonville, NC Radio Shack. Actually even better ( ??? ) for HD would be for all car radios to have it standard.... no delete option. I am NOT going to hold my breath on that one. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Jan 11 12:16:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35876 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 20:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2008 20:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.236.44) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 20:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2008 20:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.111.169] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2008 20:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp104.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2008 20:16:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 230198.8365.bm@omp104.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 54825 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2008 20:16:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1bAssBUVM1nhBM_kQ1IqKmtrwAt1eP2nyeldUuUCqlDaNpFbbmAdNIn2kgEligKpj25Yfx8at8c5YThYkKNJDWutDX_bAH.y9SDfjODlPqHJVUrxjiagfJc- X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:16:41 PST Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:16:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <95425.15759.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <278408.54242.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.236.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} CES and Ibiquity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=yDUC4dYUwfNsT7-hKpT9uxKsLM1kR9p2kVfEcS7wJDKzBQHVARJV X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Very true because many many people get their radio entertainment in the car. I'd support a no delete option as well if we are going to get on the bandwagon with HD. I've supported analog AM a long time and still prefer analog but I wish those HD people would either go all the way or not at all. The halfway point of it seems as if it's only for the richest folks who can afford a $1500 receiver. I do think that if they'd start putting HD on every receiver from the bottom of the barrel Sony receiver to their flagship ES model that it would catch on faster. Same goes for car radios, portable radios, walkmans, etc. Only then will it take off. Powell what about Pre-emphasis and de-emphasis on FM? Digital doesn't require that. There was a writeup about that in radioworld this month. That might cause perceived levels to be somewhat different than they actually are due to different sound on the digital side. For one we both know that digital can't be pushed past the +0db on the meters or distortion results. Very different from analog where levels can be pushed higher as long as they fall off quickly on the VU. Could that be a perceived difference concerning power levels and volume of sound as well? I do believe they need to increase transmit power on the digital side because I continue to hear from people who have these sets and say that the digital simply doesn't lock on the way its supposed to. I guess what i'm trying to ask Powell is that won't people percieve digital to not be as loud as analog since it doesn't require as much processing as analog when it comes to FM? I'd like to see more digital beautiful music stations pop up. I do like that type of music when winding down. I agree though more car receivers with HD option and certainly increase transmit power levels so those sets will lock onto the signal. -Kevin --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > Usually the HD is only on the upper to top model. > I > > know thats true currently with sony and onkyo. > They > > will have to include HD on the working mans > > receivers > > too before it will ever catch on big! :o) > > That's true. Also power levels on FM, now at 1% of > analog, need to be higher. They are talking about a > 10% power level. In Greenville-Kevin's area WMYI > 102.5 > is running HD. Their power level is 19,200. That > means > their HD is 192 watts. Yes I DID get it to decode in > the Hendersonville, NC Radio Shack. > > > Actually even better ( ??? ) for HD would be for all > car radios to have it standard.... no delete option. > I > am NOT going to hold my breath on that one. > > > Powell > > > > > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Jan 11 12:32:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92565 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 20:32:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2008 20:32:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.186) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 20:32:08 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k15so1136645rvb.51 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:32:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.148.3 with SMTP id v3mr2266835rvd.223.1200083528748; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:32:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:32:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80801111232r1536f4can84f3e85931e38a9a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:32:08 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <278408.54242.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <95425.15759.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <278408.54242.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} CES and Ibiquity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=D7TrPR_XJaIiLtHISIkWliD1nKXxvAjAi57KVILDDb0Eak_FK_ro73Va X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't support HD radio much at all, but after talking with Powell, I do agree that if they are going to make this work, they need to increase the power the HD signal puts out... yet not create too much interference at the same time. My biggest problem with HD is the interference it causes that certain Engineers in Eastern North Carolina claim doesnt exsist and continually tells me to "Tack off my DX'er hat and think like a broadcaster". He also got pissed when I called him "Tom Ray, Junior" drinking the IBOC Koolaid". i think the first time I called him that he actually said f&^k you and signed off from our instant message conversation. Luckily, WABV doesn't suffer from any HD interference as no one nearby geographically speaking or frequency wise has turned on HD. This same engineer claims that if 1580 WDAB in Travelers Rest, SC or 1600 WFIS in Fountain Spring, SC lit up HD I'd be fine. I disagree. When I get this clunker up to full power, if either one of them lit up HD, it would most certainly eat away at my fringe coverage. However, the likelyhood of either WFIS or WDAB lighting up HD? Not very likely at all. A friend of mine has been spending some time at WFHT 1390 in Avon Park, FL (North of Sebring, South of Lake Wales). Radio Disney, on 1380..WWMI Saint Petersburg, Florida has lit up HD. You can hear HISS and NOISE barely 20 miles out from WFHT's towers and their coverage gets chewed up further down the road, so to speak.. when you could hear them almost 50 miles or so interference free. Paul Walker On Jan 11, 2008 3:16 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Very true because many many people get their radio > entertainment in the car. I'd support a no delete > option as well if we are going to get on the bandwagon > with HD. I've supported analog AM a long time and > still prefer analog but I wish those HD people would > either go all the way or not at all. The halfway > point of it seems as if it's only for the richest > folks who can afford a $1500 receiver. I do think > that if they'd start putting HD on every receiver from > the bottom of the barrel Sony receiver to their > flagship ES model that it would catch on faster. Same > goes for car radios, portable radios, walkmans, etc. > Only then will it take off. Powell what about > Pre-emphasis and de-emphasis on FM? Digital doesn't > require that. There was a writeup about that in > radioworld this month. That might cause perceived > levels to be somewhat different than they actually are > due to different sound on the digital side. For one > we both know that digital can't be pushed past the > +0db on the meters or distortion results. Very > different from analog where levels can be pushed > higher as long as they fall off quickly on the VU. > Could that be a perceived difference concerning power > levels and volume of sound as well? I do believe they > need to increase transmit power on the digital side > because I continue to hear from people who have these > sets and say that the digital simply doesn't lock on > the way its supposed to. I guess what i'm trying to > ask Powell is that won't people percieve digital to > not be as loud as analog since it doesn't require as > much processing as analog when it comes to FM? I'd > like to see more digital beautiful music stations pop > up. I do like that type of music when winding down. > I agree though more car receivers with HD option and > certainly increase transmit power levels so those sets > will lock onto the signal. > > -Kevin > > --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > > --- clemsonbloke > > wrote: > > > > > Usually the HD is only on the upper to top model. > > I > > > know thats true currently with sony and onkyo. > > They > > > will have to include HD on the working mans > > > receivers > > > too before it will ever catch on big! :o) > > > > That's true. Also power levels on FM, now at 1% of > > analog, need to be higher. They are talking about a > > 10% power level. In Greenville-Kevin's area WMYI > > 102.5 > > is running HD. Their power level is 19,200. That > > means > > their HD is 192 watts. Yes I DID get it to decode in > > the Hendersonville, NC Radio Shack. > > > > > > Actually even better ( ??? ) for HD would be for all > > car radios to have it standard.... no delete option. > > I > > am NOT going to hold my breath on that one. > > > > > > Powell > > > > > > > > > > > > NNNN > > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 13:30:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 506 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 21:30:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2008 21:30:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.202) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 21:30:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28490 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2008 21:30:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Ur0RzIMVM1ns2JgqE1mYhbNrUhKXuRdMhWeHBMpIYRYjAbSuXrRp5gtgV4s1Q0AF.HbdBr6jHTrVMJwN0ecoxt1xkHfE157XaWq6ltMViYggGftqidU- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:30:09 PST Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:30:09 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <90490.26317.qm@web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=xg1Ionqp4f1wRZRVV1ACrtpMem_T3kUSr4aTQVrNf69uFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Actually, XEROK, in Juarez, Chihuahua, had a single transmitter, the only one of it's kind, the Continental 318.5. This was built on order for XEROK, I'm told. They ran it at 50 kW. days, then cranked it up to full power at night! That was one station that actually bragged about their nighttime skywave, taking request calls on air from all over the US, and I'm sure they sold that service to sponsors. ReelRadio.com has a good aircheck of them, with the evening switch-over to high power, and lots of bragging about "North America's most powerful radio station", "150,000 watts of nightime skywave", etc.. As for running three 50kW together, that is what XEROK is doing NOW, with three Harris Destiny rigs. When I'm up near Flint, Michigan, not all that far from CKLW, I can often hear them at night! (both are on 800) Between them and XERF (100 kW) in Cuidad Acuna/Del Rio TX, looks like border-blasting isn't a totally lost art yet. I remember when WLW fired up the old WE box. They mentioned it on the air during the news, and I guess got some favorable remarks about it... long live the big glass hollow-state monsters! Regards, George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/10/08 8:18:24 PM Central > Standard Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Yes sir, it's hard to improve on some of those old > > tubes! > > As for older transmitters, a good example is the > > Continental 317c. > > Those old monsters sure sounded good, didn't they? > > > > > To commerate the new millineum in 2000, WLW put its > original 1927 vintage > Western Electric 7A on the air instead of its state > of the art Harris 3DX. One > wound have expected a difference somewhat akin to > comparing an audiofile sound > system of today to a windup wax cylinder phonograph. > It wasn't. With modern > audio processing up in front of it, the WE sounded > great! > > Just as an aside, just try convincing Management at > most stations today to > spend any time or money maintaining a museum piece > in working order. Many > complain about spending anything for PM on the main. > > By the way, a Continental 317-C is/was a fine > sounding transmitter. A > number of years ago, a border blaster used three of > them in parallel to get their > 150kW. > > Mike > > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 13:34:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13123 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 21:34:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2008 21:34:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 21:34:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30670 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2008 21:34:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lQv6rjYVM1n5JpkF1S0CPc1jBH.RUQZlwxnJSHl7htfHzRbkj.SfT9g5mGovw0XI0Fo50JzLqN0NBqTY.7scr5Y3FGQDDZu4Cz.urg5aSEjTGHvoifM- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:34:15 PST Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:34:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <760241.30257.qm@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=f8dn8iQl9nacMvq5KCP3Sf27127C07XPUgMM6d-mPWfIbg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Mike, There is a guy in our club who specializes in vintage Zenith parts, and I may run in to him at our next MARC swap, in about three weeks. I'll get his address and/or phone number and relay it to you then. Those old Zeniths were sure great sounding, and great looking, too! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/10/08 8:18:24 PM Central > Standard Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Yes sir, it's hard to improve on some of those old > > tubes! > > As for older transmitters, a good example is the > > Continental 317c. > > Those old monsters sure sounded good, didn't they? > > > > > I'm surprised the Russian's don't. Either too much > NOS around or too little > demand. > > Russia has former military plants that turn out good > quality products. > Russian consumer goods were shoddy, but their > military electronics, while dated by > Western standards, was always first class. To > obtain the reliability they did > with vacuum electronics was a real art. > > Speaking of Zenith collectors, I have a Zenith 10A1 > "Big Black Dial" console > radio that could use a new rubber thingy that holds > the glass cover. The old > one disintegrated. Any ideas? Like the Connie 317, > the Zenith sounds > remarkably good. It is very smooth, mellow, and > listenable. It also tunes the > Extended AM Broadcast Band. That was some forward > thinking for 1941! > > Mike > > > > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 13:36:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36239 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 21:36:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2008 21:36:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.204) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 21:36:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6705 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2008 21:36:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rgkSYWoVM1kcdzjE2B3Pp7_L3M.r41kgJeO73TRIhjHXZraP0wnDcErny0YPnOvDPuKOyD_kD5u2hz5CvtoHYQy.YcWlOnpKtUPCSjMe9DvYE_X1XsvRo94PXlG4cQ-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:36:39 PST Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:36:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <992417.5337.qm@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=z2SpV3wGaJnMoXoEDA-uYXChKHRLjq5iAlr146C_by6IKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Huh? No B+, and they glowed? Wouldn't have been that they might drive a Geiger counter crazy, too, would it? (LOL) George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/10/08 8:18:24 PM Central > Standard Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > I do know > > a few Zenith collectors that would pay good money > for > > a nice bright 6T5! > > > > There was a rumor that a Ukranian factory was making > 6T5 and 6E5 indicator > tubes. They were nice and bright. The problem was > they glowed just as bright > without B+ every being applied. > > Mike > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 13:40:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64793 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 21:40:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2008 21:40:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.203) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 21:40:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80317 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2008 21:40:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: V8nfWGgVM1n5rs9FHN.bAa.FXJ24ep63tiExbMcCM90Is5VHFCqUILarSp64RBiKLqUAnkcmrEWQHqWWhatS7e9K8QTLj4ZXM4QF3tqjK8gAywYHCC.K07Z1Noz27w-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:40:43 PST Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:40:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <588641.79716.qm@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=JZ7nlwbJXbMjVTHYYN0hW-SKlOeY7suSqYLv4CesWh13oQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Well, for the cathodes I figured I'd sacrifice some old tubes that nobody wants (TV series-stringers), and CAREFULLY scrape the coating off the cathodes. Yes, there are some toxic things in tubes, but I have my trusty rubber gloves and respirator, should the day come to seriously pursue this. Would a vacuum pump like AC techs use pull down far enough? My friend has one of those, I think. George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/10/08 8:18:24 PM Central > Standard Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Main problem is finding a vacuum pump that can > pull > > the needed vacuum, but we are looking into that. > > > > High vacuum pumps are readily available, both new > and used. The real > challenge is the metalurgy of the filament and > heater. The older tubes used thorium > and other toxic materials. > > Mike > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 13:47:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86292 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 21:47:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2008 21:47:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 21:47:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34165 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2008 21:47:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LJHg6LMVM1lNgFHKgLCGpCHUfw7znPyPvsDQMsMEeWog5hW2grmDHT4QQDyJ1sIcmrVyoB9hpFNTf8DCBbvtXhSQnmwmwgphXAN6AbgZ7fVP6C.BrI0lIzBV_flyAQ-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:47:09 PST Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:47:09 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080110.215849.28801.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <594149.31505.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} CES and Ibiquity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=xsHhVXxpW_M-wNSBTK05vjuN7ci4Zoi-d8XzYzLziK2uqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Sony is involved? Maybe then IBOC will go the way of the Betamax and the Minidisc! (No slight on Sony, just IBOC! lol) --- W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > CES booth for Ibiquity is its largest booth ever. > > Receiver makers are producing more products for IBOC > and adding new "HD" Radio receivers; More than 25 > booths are showing IBOC products for a total of over > 50 "HD" Radio-related items. > > Pioneer, Sony, Dual and Audiovox are showing new > IBOC receivers. > > More buzz! > _____________________________________________________________ > Click for free info on paralegal training and make > up to $150K/ year. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m8nofvBOkkjLl1fkaG1BmWYscd3WWUe0WQRygEOfEZJ1MqU/ > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 13:56:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10860 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 21:56:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2008 21:56:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 21:56:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80907 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2008 21:56:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PhyUGE8VM1mWrL0OBsS8cNVsBU6rTf_UVttilUX3y6knBBYpkH_V4SXWmJDsH9SFVXDnHKvpiIYeRRG_qECOdlnrPfzYaD8ueyzujDB6q6n6fB6J3L4- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:56:13 PST Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:56:13 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80801111232r1536f4can84f3e85931e38a9a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <525115.80839.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} CES and Ibiquity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=H7aEcH-HZKo_ldsqAksUPasnH0XSs1yLKYuqtjjuFXBN2g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 IBOC=Insidious Buzzing Obnoxious Crud C-QUAM=Can't Quite Use Adequate Modulation (so say the ISB guys) NTSC=Now THAT'S Superior Color! SECAM=System Esentialy Contrary to Accepted Methods PAL=Pay Another Liscense Anybody got any other good ones? --- "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > I don't support HD radio much at all, but after > talking with Powell, I do > agree that if they are going to make this work, they > need to increase the > power the HD signal puts out... yet not create too > much interference at the > same time. > > My biggest problem with HD is the interference it > causes that certain > Engineers in Eastern North Carolina claim doesnt > exsist and continually > tells me to "Tack off my DX'er hat and think like a > broadcaster". He also > got pissed when I called him "Tom Ray, Junior" > drinking the IBOC Koolaid". i > think the first time I called him that he actually > said f&^k you and signed > off from our instant message conversation. > > Luckily, WABV doesn't suffer from any HD > interference as no one nearby > geographically speaking or frequency wise has turned > on HD. This same > engineer claims that if 1580 WDAB in Travelers Rest, > SC or 1600 WFIS in > Fountain Spring, SC lit up HD I'd be fine. I > disagree. When I get this > clunker up to full power, if either one of them lit > up HD, it would most > certainly eat away at my fringe coverage. > > However, the likelyhood of either WFIS or WDAB > lighting up HD? Not very > likely at all. > > A friend of mine has been spending some time at WFHT > 1390 in Avon Park, FL > (North of Sebring, South of Lake Wales). Radio > Disney, on 1380..WWMI Saint > Petersburg, Florida has lit up HD. You can hear HISS > and NOISE barely 20 > miles out from WFHT's towers and their coverage gets > chewed up further down > the road, so to speak.. when you could hear them > almost 50 miles or so > interference free. > > Paul Walker > > On Jan 11, 2008 3:16 PM, clemsonbloke > wrote: > > > Very true because many many people get their > radio > > entertainment in the car. I'd support a no delete > > option as well if we are going to get on the > bandwagon > > with HD. I've supported analog AM a long time and > > still prefer analog but I wish those HD people > would > > either go all the way or not at all. The halfway > > point of it seems as if it's only for the richest > > folks who can afford a $1500 receiver. I do think > > that if they'd start putting HD on every receiver > from > > the bottom of the barrel Sony receiver to their > > flagship ES model that it would catch on faster. > Same > > goes for car radios, portable radios, walkmans, > etc. > > Only then will it take off. Powell what about > > Pre-emphasis and de-emphasis on FM? Digital > doesn't > > require that. There was a writeup about that in > > radioworld this month. That might cause perceived > > levels to be somewhat different than they actually > are > > due to different sound on the digital side. For > one > > we both know that digital can't be pushed past the > > +0db on the meters or distortion results. Very > > different from analog where levels can be pushed > > higher as long as they fall off quickly on the VU. > > Could that be a perceived difference concerning > power > > levels and volume of sound as well? I do believe > they > > need to increase transmit power on the digital > side > > because I continue to hear from people who have > these > > sets and say that the digital simply doesn't lock > on > > the way its supposed to. I guess what i'm trying > to > > ask Powell is that won't people percieve digital > to > > not be as loud as analog since it doesn't require > as > > much processing as analog when it comes to FM? I'd > > like to see more digital beautiful music stations > pop > > up. I do like that type of music when winding > down. > > I agree though more car receivers with HD option > and > > certainly increase transmit power levels so those > sets > > will lock onto the signal. > > > > -Kevin > > > > --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- clemsonbloke > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Usually the HD is only on the upper to top > model. > > > I > > > > know thats true currently with sony and onkyo. > > > They > > > > will have to include HD on the working mans > > > > receivers > > > > too before it will ever catch on big! :o) > > > > > > That's true. Also power levels on FM, now at 1% > of > > > analog, need to be higher. They are talking > about a > > > 10% power level. In Greenville-Kevin's area WMYI > > > 102.5 > > > is running HD. Their power level is 19,200. That > > > means > > > their HD is 192 watts. Yes I DID get it to > decode in > > > the Hendersonville, NC Radio Shack. > > > > > > > > > Actually even better ( ??? ) for HD would be for > all > > > car radios to have it standard.... no delete > option. > > > I > > > am NOT going to hold my breath on that one. > > > > > > > > > Powell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NNNN > > > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > -- > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Jan 11 15:07:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13969 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 23:07:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2008 23:07:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.236.44) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 23:07:08 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2008 23:07:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.144] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2008 23:07:08 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp202.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2008 23:07:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 123394.41873.bm@omp202.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 87604 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2008 23:07:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9LCFT1kVM1k3LYBc6NAj4bcVz.utjANmh6X4J9WUlzAp.v5WrLgcdnE4hY3A3K1m1ZmUur.Wj3KBN5ZmcSjwvgozYMHzqNuAm6SMAGb_H_El X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:07:07 PST Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:07:07 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <525115.80839.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <251618.85545.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.236.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} CES and Ibiquity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Zb0h1ZDfbFajHY0HjW-snCXsYYt4eSSd6j1txtxHy5f0ck4BIH7C X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke in TV they refer to NTSC as Never The Same Color, LOL! --- george russell wrote: > IBOC=Insidious Buzzing Obnoxious Crud > C-QUAM=Can't Quite Use Adequate Modulation (so say > the > ISB guys) > NTSC=Now THAT'S Superior Color! > SECAM=System Esentialy Contrary to Accepted Methods > PAL=Pay Another Liscense > Anybody got any other good ones? > > --- "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > wrote: > > > I don't support HD radio much at all, but after > > talking with Powell, I do > > agree that if they are going to make this work, > they > > need to increase the > > power the HD signal puts out... yet not create too > > much interference at the > > same time. > > > > My biggest problem with HD is the interference it > > causes that certain > > Engineers in Eastern North Carolina claim doesnt > > exsist and continually > > tells me to "Tack off my DX'er hat and think like > a > > broadcaster". He also > > got pissed when I called him "Tom Ray, Junior" > > drinking the IBOC Koolaid". i > > think the first time I called him that he actually > > said f&^k you and signed > > off from our instant message conversation. > > > > Luckily, WABV doesn't suffer from any HD > > interference as no one nearby > > geographically speaking or frequency wise has > turned > > on HD. This same > > engineer claims that if 1580 WDAB in Travelers > Rest, > > SC or 1600 WFIS in > > Fountain Spring, SC lit up HD I'd be fine. I > > disagree. When I get this > > clunker up to full power, if either one of them > lit > > up HD, it would most > > certainly eat away at my fringe coverage. > > > > However, the likelyhood of either WFIS or WDAB > > lighting up HD? Not very > > likely at all. > > > > A friend of mine has been spending some time at > WFHT > > 1390 in Avon Park, FL > > (North of Sebring, South of Lake Wales). Radio > > Disney, on 1380..WWMI Saint > > Petersburg, Florida has lit up HD. You can hear > HISS > > and NOISE barely 20 > > miles out from WFHT's towers and their coverage > gets > > chewed up further down > > the road, so to speak.. when you could hear them > > almost 50 miles or so > > interference free. > > > > Paul Walker > > > > On Jan 11, 2008 3:16 PM, clemsonbloke > > wrote: > > > > > Very true because many many people get their > > radio > > > entertainment in the car. I'd support a no > delete > > > option as well if we are going to get on the > > bandwagon > > > with HD. I've supported analog AM a long time > and > > > still prefer analog but I wish those HD people > > would > > > either go all the way or not at all. The halfway > > > point of it seems as if it's only for the > richest > > > folks who can afford a $1500 receiver. I do > think > > > that if they'd start putting HD on every > receiver > > from > > > the bottom of the barrel Sony receiver to their > > > flagship ES model that it would catch on faster. > > Same > > > goes for car radios, portable radios, walkmans, > > etc. > > > Only then will it take off. Powell what about > > > Pre-emphasis and de-emphasis on FM? Digital > > doesn't > > > require that. There was a writeup about that in > > > radioworld this month. That might cause > perceived > > > levels to be somewhat different than they > actually > > are > > > due to different sound on the digital side. For > > one > > > we both know that digital can't be pushed past > the > > > +0db on the meters or distortion results. Very > > > different from analog where levels can be pushed > > > higher as long as they fall off quickly on the > VU. > > > Could that be a perceived difference concerning > > power > > > levels and volume of sound as well? I do believe > > they > > > need to increase transmit power on the digital > > side > > > because I continue to hear from people who have > > these > > > sets and say that the digital simply doesn't > lock > > on > > > the way its supposed to. I guess what i'm trying > > to > > > ask Powell is that won't people percieve digital > > to > > > not be as loud as analog since it doesn't > require > > as > > > much processing as analog when it comes to FM? > I'd > > > like to see more digital beautiful music > stations > > pop > > > up. I do like that type of music when winding > > down. > > > I agree though more car receivers with HD option > > and > > > certainly increase transmit power levels so > those > > sets > > > will lock onto the signal. > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- clemsonbloke > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Usually the HD is only on the upper to top > > model. > > > > I > > > > > know thats true currently with sony and > onkyo. > > > > They > > > > > will have to include HD on the working mans > > > > > receivers > > > > > too before it will ever catch on big! :o) > > > > > > > > That's true. Also power levels on FM, now at > 1% > > of > > > > analog, need to be higher. They are talking > > about a > > > > 10% power level. In Greenville-Kevin's area > WMYI > > > > 102.5 > > > > is running HD. Their power level is 19,200. > That > > > > means > > > > their HD is 192 watts. Yes I DID get it to > > decode in > > > > the Hendersonville, NC Radio Shack. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually even better ( ??? ) for HD would be > for > > all > > > > car radios to have it standard.... no delete > > option. > > > > I > > > > am NOT going to hold my breath on that one. > > > > > > > > > > > > Powell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NNNN > > > > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Jan 11 15:22:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95651 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 23:22:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2008 23:22:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 23:22:02 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a78so1474968pyh.32 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:21:58 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.82.16 with SMTP id j16mr4214742pyl.57.1200093718237; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:21:58 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:21:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80801111521u59d8ff5bh66fcb699896c0ee0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:21:58 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <251618.85545.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <525115.80839.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <251618.85545.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} CES and Ibiquity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=C25uVL48HpOgiXw7N3XSZRvJS7kI2wtCLQbrZWw414NUpqbBbhp2RnKs X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit According to one of my Chief Engineer buddies in Connecticut... Inherently Bad Off Channel And When 1290 in West Hartford Connecticut had the call letters, their own Chief Engineer jokingly dubbed it: We Transmit Much Interference We Transmit More Interference Now, WCCC-AM, was the first to go AM HD in Connecticut Paul On Jan 11, 2008 6:07 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > in TV they refer to NTSC as Never The Same Color, LOL! > > > --- george russell > wrote: > > > IBOC=Insidious Buzzing Obnoxious Crud > > C-QUAM=Can't Quite Use Adequate Modulation (so say > > the > > ISB guys) > > NTSC=Now THAT'S Superior Color! > > SECAM=System Esentialy Contrary to Accepted Methods > > PAL=Pay Another Liscense > > Anybody got any other good ones? > > > > --- "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > > > wrote: > > > > > I don't support HD radio much at all, but after > > > talking with Powell, I do > > > agree that if they are going to make this work, > > they > > > need to increase the > > > power the HD signal puts out... yet not create too > > > much interference at the > > > same time. > > > > > > My biggest problem with HD is the interference it > > > causes that certain > > > Engineers in Eastern North Carolina claim doesnt > > > exsist and continually > > > tells me to "Tack off my DX'er hat and think like > > a > > > broadcaster". He also > > > got pissed when I called him "Tom Ray, Junior" > > > drinking the IBOC Koolaid". i > > > think the first time I called him that he actually > > > said f&^k you and signed > > > off from our instant message conversation. > > > > > > Luckily, WABV doesn't suffer from any HD > > > interference as no one nearby > > > geographically speaking or frequency wise has > > turned > > > on HD. This same > > > engineer claims that if 1580 WDAB in Travelers > > Rest, > > > SC or 1600 WFIS in > > > Fountain Spring, SC lit up HD I'd be fine. I > > > disagree. When I get this > > > clunker up to full power, if either one of them > > lit > > > up HD, it would most > > > certainly eat away at my fringe coverage. > > > > > > However, the likelyhood of either WFIS or WDAB > > > lighting up HD? Not very > > > likely at all. > > > > > > A friend of mine has been spending some time at > > WFHT > > > 1390 in Avon Park, FL > > > (North of Sebring, South of Lake Wales). Radio > > > Disney, on 1380..WWMI Saint > > > Petersburg, Florida has lit up HD. You can hear > > HISS > > > and NOISE barely 20 > > > miles out from WFHT's towers and their coverage > > gets > > > chewed up further down > > > the road, so to speak.. when you could hear them > > > almost 50 miles or so > > > interference free. > > > > > > Paul Walker > > > > > > On Jan 11, 2008 3:16 PM, clemsonbloke > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Very true because many many people get their > > > radio > > > > entertainment in the car. I'd support a no > > delete > > > > option as well if we are going to get on the > > > bandwagon > > > > with HD. I've supported analog AM a long time > > and > > > > still prefer analog but I wish those HD people > > > would > > > > either go all the way or not at all. The halfway > > > > point of it seems as if it's only for the > > richest > > > > folks who can afford a $1500 receiver. I do > > think > > > > that if they'd start putting HD on every > > receiver > > > from > > > > the bottom of the barrel Sony receiver to their > > > > flagship ES model that it would catch on faster. > > > Same > > > > goes for car radios, portable radios, walkmans, > > > etc. > > > > Only then will it take off. Powell what about > > > > Pre-emphasis and de-emphasis on FM? Digital > > > doesn't > > > > require that. There was a writeup about that in > > > > radioworld this month. That might cause > > perceived > > > > levels to be somewhat different than they > > actually > > > are > > > > due to different sound on the digital side. For > > > one > > > > we both know that digital can't be pushed past > > the > > > > +0db on the meters or distortion results. Very > > > > different from analog where levels can be pushed > > > > higher as long as they fall off quickly on the > > VU. > > > > Could that be a perceived difference concerning > > > power > > > > levels and volume of sound as well? I do believe > > > they > > > > need to increase transmit power on the digital > > > side > > > > because I continue to hear from people who have > > > these > > > > sets and say that the digital simply doesn't > > lock > > > on > > > > the way its supposed to. I guess what i'm trying > > > to > > > > ask Powell is that won't people percieve digital > > > to > > > > not be as loud as analog since it doesn't > > require > > > as > > > > much processing as analog when it comes to FM? > > I'd > > > > like to see more digital beautiful music > > stations > > > pop > > > > up. I do like that type of music when winding > > > down. > > > > I agree though more car receivers with HD option > > > and > > > > certainly increase transmit power levels so > > those > > > sets > > > > will lock onto the signal. > > > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- clemsonbloke > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Usually the HD is only on the upper to top > > > model. > > > > > I > > > > > > know thats true currently with sony and > > onkyo. > > > > > They > > > > > > will have to include HD on the working mans > > > > > > receivers > > > > > > too before it will ever catch on big! :o) > > > > > > > > > > That's true. Also power levels on FM, now at > > 1% > > > of > > > > > analog, need to be higher. They are talking > > > about a > > > > > 10% power level. In Greenville-Kevin's area > > WMYI > > > > > 102.5 > > > > > is running HD. Their power level is 19,200. > > That > > > > > means > > > > > their HD is 192 watts. Yes I DID get it to > > > decode in > > > > > the Hendersonville, NC Radio Shack. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually even better ( ??? ) for HD would be > > for > > > all > > > > > car radios to have it standard.... no delete > > > option. > > > > > I > > > > > am NOT going to hold my breath on that one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Powell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NNNN > > > > > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > __________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 15:34:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38390 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2008 23:34:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2008 23:34:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.161) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2008 23:34:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80293 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jan 2008 23:34:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hqfxs10VM1kp53HEuinwZcbPI1BGq6sPZhyaA4cSG5jPXgUTxSpTNA8wNokTX5UkuzFl0O4BXg-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:34:47 PST Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:34:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <278408.54242.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <940524.78807.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CES and Ibiquity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=MehHXdroseqDG71vb_nhcdO--TfNcOX6TKTX3rb0mqM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- clemsonbloke wrote: I've supported analog AM a long time and > still prefer analog but I wish those HD people would > either go all the way or not at all. The halfway > point of it seems as if it's only for the richest > folks who can afford a $1500 receiver. I do think > that if they'd start putting HD on every receiver > from > the bottom of the barrel Sony receiver to their > flagship ES model that it would catch on faster. > Same > goes for car radios, portable radios, walkmans, etc. Right now, there are no chips for portables. > Only then will it take off. Powell what about > Pre-emphasis and de-emphasis on FM? Digital doesn't > require that. There was a writeup about that in > radioworld this month. That might cause perceived > levels to be somewhat different than they actually > are > due to different sound on the digital side. For one > we both know that digital can't be pushed past the > +0db on the meters or distortion results. Very > different from analog where levels can be pushed > higher as long as they fall off quickly on the VU. > Could that be a perceived difference concerning > power > levels and volume of sound as well? The power level problem is a real thing. It supposedly won't take as much with digital but the 1% level was FAR too low. 10% might be better. Also one MUST watch processing carefully for it to sound decent on HD. And it can, and it really isn't a problem when switching. The real problem is keeping the 2 in time sync when switching. THAT is annoying when they are not. >I do believe > they > need to increase transmit power on the digital side > because I continue to hear from people who have > these > sets and say that the digital simply doesn't lock on > the way its supposed to. I guess what i'm trying to > ask Powell is that won't people percieve digital to > not be as loud as analog since it doesn't require as > much processing as analog when it comes to FM? I'd > like to see more digital beautiful music stations > pop > up. I do like that type of music when winding down. I've not noticed that. Some HD stations sound NO different analog or digital, and some sound way better. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 16:24:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83690 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 00:24:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 00:24:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 00:24:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 91094 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2008 00:24:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Fx4GW9kVM1lwHQCnQ0AVNylPTuV8zuIpc3OxgWHZFH1KTUqVPWhAe5FFhT5paBqRQr5f59cxlqhRqvTlefu8TWUNiahZUw5Qph9dXOJg56Q92JkBKuQ- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:24:26 PST Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:24:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <251618.85545.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <445758.90863.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} CES and Ibiquity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=mE4FfNhQhWOM4FTEXWemo-WKeuPZfKlYm33VZPlvFEOitg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Uh-huh, and years ago that was probably true, but it has been so perfected that color-shifting with a decent signal is pretty much a thing of the past. When the set the new ATSC standards, they could have gone with the original NTSC primary colors (widest gamut you can get with three primaries), but instead they went with IBU or SMPTE-C or whatever it is, probably for the sake of international standardization. If you ever get to see an old RCA CT-100 color set, with a good signal, the deep rich colors will amaze you. They had the exact red, blue, and green phosphors, instead of today's orangish-red and yellowish-green. Actually, PAL, and to a lesser extent SECAM, owe their heritage to adaptations of NTSC. NTSC wasn't a flawed system, it just never was fully utilized by most sets or stations. Given today's cheap technology, it COULD work great. If ATSC were to have adopted the best of NTSC parameters, it would be even better than it is now. (though I gotta admit, it looks pretty good) BTW, C-QUAM and NTSC have something in common...I and Q! Just my little patriotic flag-waving for good old US television science! George (Peacock has 402 days left to live..sniff-sob-boo-hoo) --- clemsonbloke wrote: > in TV they refer to NTSC as Never The Same Color, > LOL! > > > > > > --- george russell wrote: > > > IBOC=Insidious Buzzing Obnoxious Crud > > C-QUAM=Can't Quite Use Adequate Modulation (so say > > the > > ISB guys) > > NTSC=Now THAT'S Superior Color! > > SECAM=System Esentialy Contrary to Accepted > Methods > > PAL=Pay Another Liscense > > Anybody got any other good ones? > > > > --- "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > > wrote: > > > > > I don't support HD radio much at all, but after > > > talking with Powell, I do > > > agree that if they are going to make this work, > > they > > > need to increase the > > > power the HD signal puts out... yet not create > too > > > much interference at the > > > same time. > > > > > > My biggest problem with HD is the interference > it > > > causes that certain > > > Engineers in Eastern North Carolina claim doesnt > > > exsist and continually > > > tells me to "Tack off my DX'er hat and think > like > > a > > > broadcaster". He also > > > got pissed when I called him "Tom Ray, Junior" > > > drinking the IBOC Koolaid". i > > > think the first time I called him that he > actually > > > said f&^k you and signed > > > off from our instant message conversation. > > > > > > Luckily, WABV doesn't suffer from any HD > > > interference as no one nearby > > > geographically speaking or frequency wise has > > turned > > > on HD. This same > > > engineer claims that if 1580 WDAB in Travelers > > Rest, > > > SC or 1600 WFIS in > > > Fountain Spring, SC lit up HD I'd be fine. I > > > disagree. When I get this > > > clunker up to full power, if either one of them > > lit > > > up HD, it would most > > > certainly eat away at my fringe coverage. > > > > > > However, the likelyhood of either WFIS or WDAB > > > lighting up HD? Not very > > > likely at all. > > > > > > A friend of mine has been spending some time at > > WFHT > > > 1390 in Avon Park, FL > > > (North of Sebring, South of Lake Wales). Radio > > > Disney, on 1380..WWMI Saint > > > Petersburg, Florida has lit up HD. You can hear > > HISS > > > and NOISE barely 20 > > > miles out from WFHT's towers and their coverage > > gets > > > chewed up further down > > > the road, so to speak.. when you could hear them > > > almost 50 miles or so > > > interference free. > > > > > > Paul Walker > > > > > > On Jan 11, 2008 3:16 PM, clemsonbloke > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Very true because many many people get their > > > radio > > > > entertainment in the car. I'd support a no > > delete > > > > option as well if we are going to get on the > > > bandwagon > > > > with HD. I've supported analog AM a long time > > and > > > > still prefer analog but I wish those HD people > > > would > > > > either go all the way or not at all. The > halfway > > > > point of it seems as if it's only for the > > richest > > > > folks who can afford a $1500 receiver. I do > > think > > > > that if they'd start putting HD on every > > receiver > > > from > > > > the bottom of the barrel Sony receiver to > their > > > > flagship ES model that it would catch on > faster. > > > Same > > > > goes for car radios, portable radios, > walkmans, > > > etc. > > > > Only then will it take off. Powell what about > > > > Pre-emphasis and de-emphasis on FM? Digital > > > doesn't > > > > require that. There was a writeup about that > in > > > > radioworld this month. That might cause > > perceived > > > > levels to be somewhat different than they > > actually > > > are > > > > due to different sound on the digital side. > For > > > one > > > > we both know that digital can't be pushed past > > the > > > > +0db on the meters or distortion results. Very > > > > different from analog where levels can be > pushed > > > > higher as long as they fall off quickly on the > > VU. > > > > Could that be a perceived difference > concerning > > > power > > > > levels and volume of sound as well? I do > believe > > > they > > > > need to increase transmit power on the digital > > > side > > > > because I continue to hear from people who > have > > > these > > > > sets and say that the digital simply doesn't > > lock > > > on > > > > the way its supposed to. I guess what i'm > trying > > > to > > > > ask Powell is that won't people percieve > digital > > > to > > > > not be as loud as analog since it doesn't > > require > > > as > > > > much processing as analog when it comes to FM? > > I'd > > > > like to see more digital beautiful music > > stations > > > pop > > > > up. I do like that type of music when winding > > > down. > > > > I agree though more car receivers with HD > option > > > and > > > > certainly increase transmit power levels so > > those > > > sets > > > > will lock onto the signal. > > > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- clemsonbloke > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Usually the HD is only on the upper to top > > > model. > > > > > I > > > > > > know thats true currently with sony and > > onkyo. > > > > > They > > > > > > will have to include HD on the working > mans > > > > > > receivers > > > > > > too before it will ever catch on big! :o) > > > > > > > > > > That's true. Also power levels on FM, now at > > 1% > > > of > > > > > analog, need to be higher. They are talking > > > about a > > > > > 10% power level. In Greenville-Kevin's area > > WMYI > > > > > 102.5 > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Jan 11 19:31:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5967 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 03:31:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 03:31:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.183) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 03:31:56 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so1639444pyi.13 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:31:55 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.79.3 with SMTP id g3mr4499697pyl.3.1200108715685; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:31:55 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:31:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80801111931l508e1d32jdf64fd055e8b547b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:31:55 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: For Sale... Hamilton AM 1000 Rangemaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=Noq-I2ln6Kh3ug-tj_mSXWlUh-_Q0v9mTUF8f3wE9l59_6fM8kvDRDY8 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is very gently used, but in good condition and was taken good care of. Asking $500 plus shipping...... Email me oflfist if you're interested.. I am selling this for a friend. Paul Walker walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com www.walkerbroadcasting.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jan 11 21:10:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29074 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 05:10:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 05:10:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 05:10:49 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cb9.22dd495a (48576) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:10:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:10:55 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=XtYWnLYbz0iSzA2AbRkK3Wa22rdU_MYyUIvUcVX5c01DKx9H4wO_1N4aEeGCtnsp X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/11/08 3:37:18 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Huh? No B+, and they glowed? Wouldn't have been that > they might drive a Geiger counter crazy, too, would > it? All I know is the guy decided to use it anyway and found out the radio didn't have to be plugged in anymore and could get HBO. The downside was the wife put a potted plant on top of it. A week later the plant ate the cat. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jan 11 21:15:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96892 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 05:15:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 05:15:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 05:15:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bdb.220a9984 (48576) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:15:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:16:12 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=FSsv8g6xMtuHHlJnv9mATpagtnHM3yjr0v-UtQsTu09QMuYtq8inBJq8pgDHHZuu X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/11/08 3:41:11 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Would a vacuum pump like AC techs use pull down far > enough? No. You need something like a Welch Sargent. They're pretty common. Used alot in laboratories and industrial uses. At White Rodgers we used them for filling mercury elements. However, don't get one of those. The spent oil was loaded with mercury. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Jan 11 23:56:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64729 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 07:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 07:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 07:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.be5.225591ff (37085) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:56:19 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-db06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB067-90dd478872a1371; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:56:18 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01c854f0$a9f6b0e0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <8bce0fe80801111931l508e1d32jdf64fd055e8b547b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:56:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Sale... Hamilton AM 1000 Rangemaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=qIn_SYz6huKE0Un0GL3cLTi8KrM0moyipPMm4rbmbMl5wLw78yfR X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit so, so, so, tempting if only I had the money. can this be used in doors? or is a out door set up? been looking for one of these babies for the part 15 station I am running. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:31 PM Subject: {AMSF} For Sale... Hamilton AM 1000 Rangemaster It is very gently used, but in good condition and was taken good care of. Asking $500 plus shipping...... Email me oflfist if you're interested.. I am selling this for a friend. Paul Walker walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com www.walkerbroadcasting.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Jan 12 04:27:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86288 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 12:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 12:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.240) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 12:27:32 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c38so348406ana.75 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 04:27:31 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.68.19 with SMTP id v19mr9262868ank.4.1200140851894; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 04:27:31 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 04:27:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80801120427i19fae8d7tbe8f15c901e84bec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 07:27:31 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002c01c854f0$a9f6b0e0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80801111931l508e1d32jdf64fd055e8b547b@mail.gmail.com> <002c01c854f0$a9f6b0e0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Sale... Hamilton AM 1000 Rangemaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=ixMJHfyEd6rdCfdeXufkXYhSjK_Yxt8c95uSxblbk9jt8t8Kwcjjd1bz X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is an outdoor setup, but it can be used indoors as well, I think. Paul On Jan 12, 2008 2:56 AM, hank smith wrote: > so, so, so, tempting if only I had the money. > can this be used in doors? or is a out door set up? > been looking for one of these babies for the part 15 station I am running. > Hank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:31 PM > Subject: {AMSF} For Sale... Hamilton AM 1000 Rangemaster > > It is very gently used, but in good condition and was taken good care of. > > Asking $500 plus shipping...... > > Email me oflfist if you're interested.. I am selling this for a friend. > > Paul Walker > walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 04:53:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77319 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 12:53:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 12:53:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.158) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 12:53:30 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2008 12:53:30 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2008 12:53:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2008 12:53:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:53:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.203.97.74 From: "Sotiris" Subject: New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=e4je829P0oaL517tZlj6DjEv2GUhnQCMuilSf-XBVVE X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Happy new year to all members of AM stereo group.=20 I would like to inform you that since the introduction of ASMAX-1 AM=20 CQUAM stereo transmitter we have sold both at America and Australia,=20 but most interesting many units sold at European countries and mostly=20 at Greece, Italy (22), Great Britain (13) & Germany (9)!!! That was=20 very interesting for me, as my first thought was that Europe wouldn't=20 be a possible market for those "part15.219" kind of AM transmitters!=20 However seems that more people from Europe than everybody believes,=20 are interested on AM stereo!!!=20 I have found also that many guys at UK, and Germany had AM stereo=20 receivers! Italians are more familiar with AM stereo, and they have=20 already made more than 15 ASMAX-1 installations there, some of them=20 with an RF amplifier after it to gain some more powerfull signal,=20 than that provided from the EU ASMAX-1 model (400mW PEP)! We are=20 still trying to find a way to proceed with the FCC certification for=20 our ASMAX-1, and we might have that done in the next few months.=20 All feedback comments from ASMAX-1 users are more than excellent! New=20 We are also pleased to offer a discount priced unit for everyone that=20 is a member of this AM stereo Group! This offer will be valid for 1=20 month, until Sunday, February 10th. Every member of this group can=20 have an ASMAX-1 Mk II unit & together an AM stereo decoder board=20 DQUAM, for 250U$ + 30U$ for shipping! Paypal payment is accepted.=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jan 12 07:07:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38743 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 15:07:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 15:07:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 15:07:03 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.123] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080112090653000775100003> for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:06:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005b01c8552d$5a770d20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <95425.15759.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <278408.54242.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <8bce0fe80801111232r1536f4can84f3e85931e38a9a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:06:53 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} CES and Ibiquity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=sfDzj15MEyFYB9GWxGdWwgOYU22Vkm-jQzpnXQg3hcI86H-2ZJE2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I find WLW's I-Buzz wipes out what should be a useable DX signal from KCMO in Kansas City. I like to listen to Savage on my way home from work if I can get it. As for Kevin's contention we need lower priced receivers- there are plenty of them below $200 now. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I don't support HD radio much at all, but after talking with Powell, I do agree that if they are going to make this work, they need to increase the power the HD signal puts out... yet not create too much interference at the same time. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jan 12 07:25:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10248 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 15:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 15:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 15:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.123] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080112092517000341700003> for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:25:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <012901c8552f$eca94800$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <525115.80839.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:25:17 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} CES and Ibiquity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=6Nm7L-lq7euRVJfHHuV26XKoTqDUEv7y2zswGh9-r0XJ6AdlCZWH X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I[ve always heard NTSC stood for Never Twice the Same Color. SECAM= System Especially to Counter American Methods Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com NTSC=Now THAT'S Superior Color! SECAM=System Esentialy Contrary to Accepted Methods --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jan 12 07:44:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90968 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 15:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 15:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 15:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.123] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080112094401000275300003> for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:44:01 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <015b01c85532$8a7c8040$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:44:01 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=S_et5r446eIXN0i6TmnBQgl0H_pIZtz-Ztc0XHiRwMXOLGG0GAcU X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Combining several messages into one reply- Not really. Tubes tend to make even order harmonic distortion which the ear finds very pleasing. And unless you're using computer grade tubes, the cutoff is a lot softer than with solid state. One other thing- the human ear can hear faint noises better with a small amount of background hiss. How many of you knew that? 1L6s would be a good tube to make. I think if we can find ways of *rebuilding* them, primarily just changing out the filament and re-evacuating the envelope, that would be enough. Can't really say that was forward thinking- there was a police band just above the broadcast band and that's all they were trying to get. I don't think they ever envisioned the expanded AM band we have today. As for tuning eyes, I think we'd need to find someone who can determine why the phosphors go dim so fast. My suspicion is ion bombardment though I can't prove it. I'm just going by what I remember of old TV technology. The CRTs made before aluminized screens needed an ion trap to keep the phosphors from being destroyed. There'd have to be some sort of coating which would protect the phosphors and still let the light through, probably a layer of evaporated metal a few molecules thick. Gold would be a likely candidate. As for using salvaged color TV phosphors, I kind of doubt that would be practical. Those phosphor dots (or stripes, in the case of a lot of Japanese sets) are pretty small/thin. Those phosphors are likely readily available anyway. I do like the idea of other colors. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Why tubes sound as good as they do is still somewhat of mystery. Well designed tube transmitters typically sound much better than their specifications and proofs would suggest. ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Now if that guy in France can make a batch of 1L6 tubes, he can retire! ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Like the Connie 317, the Zenith sounds remarkably good. It is very smooth, mellow, and listenable. It also tunes the Extended AM Broadcast Band. That was some forward thinking for 1941! ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com What my friends and I have been discussing is possibly taking apart old tuning eye tubes, like the very rare 6T5, and re-coating the targets with new phosphor, as phosphor failure ("burn") seems to be the main problem with such tubes. We've also considered designing a few new styles of our own, with different color phosphors, maybe mixing colors scraped from old CRTs. Custom tuning eyes, anyone? --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jan 12 07:46:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99350 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 15:46:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 15:46:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 15:46:24 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.123] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080112094617000637200003> for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:46:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <018801c85532$db589300$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <940524.78807.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:46:17 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} CES and Ibiquity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=iS3gpyKyhFFloHG6PjzAx0xOXRNAGMsE7_sdpjqbkYWCduvlwZIi X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Prototypes were developed last year about this time; production should commence before the end of this year and we could see the first battery IBOC portables about this time next year. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Right now, there are no chips for portables. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jan 12 08:44:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29035 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 16:44:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 16:44:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 16:44:34 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c2c.27831c24 (65097) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:44:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:44:27 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=g4d9wRDdwLW12f4laDehjbWfFhLrwYphZomXjKW9xD71i0wSv9rU8a5nfwITa5VT X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/12/08 9:44:53 AM Central Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > Can't really say that was forward thinking- there was a police band just > above the broadcast band and that's all they were trying to get. I don't think > they ever envisioned the expanded AM band we have today. > That's what mystified me was well. Indeed, the extended AM band on the Zenith was maked "Police Band". I thought, "Wow!". Not only did the Zenith foresee the Extended AM Band, but they foresaw the Police band before Sting was even born. As the ole' Zenith pulls in KCJJ quite well at night thanks to its WaveMagnet(tm) (and it sounds great!) who plays alot of 70's retro stuff, I thought there was some cosmic connection link between the Police and the Extended AM Band. I was also getting Dr. Don Rose live on KFRC during the morning drive, but after my meds were adjusted the last time, I can't seem to tune it in anymore. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jan 12 09:01:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67942 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 17:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 17:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 17:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d61.1c179fc4 (65097) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:01:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:01:40 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=625-bI3Nd1NFZIx0WM8VsjymDqDwsUQ_K7BR19M2AUQyf07bpduzXvfyv6lSLZLm X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You appear to have a very good product and thanks for the discount! Not to put a damper on things, but I might point out that it is unlawful to market any such device for on-air use that is not already FCC certified. The problems you may experience with actual FCC certification are: 1. It has to be tested with the antenna with which it is intended to be used. 2. The power requirement is 100 mW DC input, not 100mW RF output. If you have a broadband output, it will not have anything approaching 100% efficiency as it is no doubt a linear amplifier. 3. There must not be a means for the consumer to adjust the RF output level. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sat Jan 12 09:55:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91847 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 17:55:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 17:55:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 17:55:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2008 17:55:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2008 17:55:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:55:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=6g67gJsz41dbaQdSTrSv0Ld0zMc-uzKH8qmTh7rLHQ0Y X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Hi Amy, Sorry for the late reply. Sometimes I don't get to keep up with things. Yes... 3.710 MHz in AM stereo. Always. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: >=20 > You still doing AMS there, or has that gone by the wayside in more > recent times? >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > *grumbles about the lack of AMS hams in the western US- What few=20 there > are in the eastern US are too far away* > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 10:14:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64364 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 18:14:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 18:14:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 18:14:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16918 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2008 18:14:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Kd9u._4VM1kqL5TQZ7Rn.W4jEZUDbCODHAw8fHUw7cLapy4IbJNkoAz0fHLO0DfQAM3E4h4TN3fpGrRMq.SlZdWlwXtBgZlqd6AAa4S2fFXLXmGl2Vwf5FzK6g-- X-Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:14:34 PST Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:14:34 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <406168.15966.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=KPmG9bnSwMWUpfXgJbUFb1y44Jmtt2NxUZlQ-nozjSaIFOcZZLi9rv4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio George said: "...Sony is involved? Maybe then IBOC will go the way of the Betamax and the Minidisc! (No slight on Sony, just IBOC! lol.." Yes, but the Minidisc is a great invention, and works wonderful in doing what it needs to do without ruining everything around it and is totally compatible with analog! John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jan 12 10:16:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66137 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 18:16:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 18:16:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 18:16:51 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c0f.1a21f13e (37542) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:16:28 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-da09 (webmail-da09.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.204]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB023-92a6478903fb20c; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:16:27 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:16:27 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33706-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-da09.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.204) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:16:27 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA235E61E8BC70-13A8-3331@webmail-da09.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=fklOQn4AmkolZ2aABIL2x0nK4lK30-odu4Qm34-pfWEAts0-mv_efVCED88a3NAR X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes... 3.710 MHz in AM stereo. Always. There are AM Stereo ham stations??? Mike -----Original Message----- From: wa2fnq To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:55 am Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew Hi Amy, Sorry for the late reply. Sometimes I don't get to keep up with things. Yes... 3.710 MHz in AM stereo. Always. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > You still doing AMS there, or has that gone by the wayside in more > recent times? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > *grumbles about the lack of AMS hams in the western US- What few there > are in the eastern US are too far away* > ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 10:17:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56181 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 18:17:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 18:17:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.162) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 18:17:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 51758 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2008 18:17:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HTlsQwgVM1li.WZgT1WEEEJzbUJwhizpoFnj4b60FwzSWFTG253OwgXpf8Bfz.191is6Yf24pmjtpj0SYqU4D7WS4nREYxxTBQJpNI8WDGmTgRnXDjgoJR2Zww-- X-Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:17:23 PST Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:17:23 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <543693.38895.qm@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: iBiquity IBOC HD Portable a nightmare X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=HhfrHwzRY3P2-jeo1V1XLTGNq5HRwDL4g948o8L2_idDVNSlTedpkAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio How in the SamHill are they EVER going to have an AM portable IBOC radio? I don't think it can easily be done as I have to keep my AM loop at least a FOOT away from my tuner or the tuner's own noise will wipe out the entire AM band! FM-IBOC can be done, but AM would require a metal case around the entire unit, a way to turn off the display and a remote highly-directional ferrite bar loop?? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From ke7ief@aol.com Sat Jan 12 10:27:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31473 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 18:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 18:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 18:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cef.2742ffbc (37072) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:27:14 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-db05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB056-90d04789067e3c8; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:27:12 -0500 Message-ID: <006301c85548$cffbefa0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <8bce0fe80801111931l508e1d32jdf64fd055e8b547b@mail.gmail.com> <002c01c854f0$a9f6b0e0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> <8bce0fe80801120427i19fae8d7tbe8f15c901e84bec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:27:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Sale... Hamilton AM 1000 Rangemaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=akB7cf5BVVFLWIftPhmSf9opWQCfIWOOB-7hzTBUsjGwRhPPcXM3 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit have you had alot of offers? also do you do p ayment plans? just curious. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 4:27 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Sale... Hamilton AM 1000 Rangemaster It is an outdoor setup, but it can be used indoors as well, I think. Paul On Jan 12, 2008 2:56 AM, hank smith wrote: > so, so, so, tempting if only I had the money. > can this be used in doors? or is a out door set up? > been looking for one of these babies for the part 15 station I am running. > Hank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:31 PM > Subject: {AMSF} For Sale... Hamilton AM 1000 Rangemaster > > It is very gently used, but in good condition and was taken good care of. > > Asking $500 plus shipping...... > > Email me oflfist if you're interested.. I am selling this for a friend. > > Paul Walker > walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sat Jan 12 10:28:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1586 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 18:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 18:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 18:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d1f.177b4329 (37079) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:28:17 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-db06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB061-90d7478906bc313; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:28:14 -0500 Message-ID: <006c01c85548$f5fdb3f0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:28:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=sI46FC9hUWYhVtv-ukFhIb_uKtaz2iF7CeDVLEfWsKzhzoa7SzqR X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit these things built or do you have to build them? ----- Original Message ----- From: Sotiris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 4:53 AM Subject: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! Happy new year to all members of AM stereo group. I would like to inform you that since the introduction of ASMAX-1 AM CQUAM stereo transmitter we have sold both at America and Australia, but most interesting many units sold at European countries and mostly at Greece, Italy (22), Great Britain (13) & Germany (9)!!! That was very interesting for me, as my first thought was that Europe wouldn't be a possible market for those "part15.219" kind of AM transmitters! However seems that more people from Europe than everybody believes, are interested on AM stereo!!! I have found also that many guys at UK, and Germany had AM stereo receivers! Italians are more familiar with AM stereo, and they have already made more than 15 ASMAX-1 installations there, some of them with an RF amplifier after it to gain some more powerfull signal, than that provided from the EU ASMAX-1 model (400mW PEP)! We are still trying to find a way to proceed with the FCC certification for our ASMAX-1, and we might have that done in the next few months. All feedback comments from ASMAX-1 users are more than excellent! New We are also pleased to offer a discount priced unit for everyone that is a member of this AM stereo Group! This offer will be valid for 1 month, until Sunday, February 10th. Every member of this group can have an ASMAX-1 Mk II unit & together an AM stereo decoder board DQUAM, for 250U$ + 30U$ for shipping! Paypal payment is accepted. Best regards Sotiris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Jan 12 10:33:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57413 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 18:33:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 18:33:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.176) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 18:33:36 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z57so5822245pyg.34 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:33:35 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.128.1 with SMTP id f1mr5292582pyn.63.1200162815784; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:33:35 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:33:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80801121033o3d243b5fm45de885601ee0fdb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:33:35 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006301c85548$cffbefa0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80801111931l508e1d32jdf64fd055e8b547b@mail.gmail.com> <002c01c854f0$a9f6b0e0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> <8bce0fe80801120427i19fae8d7tbe8f15c901e84bec@mail.gmail.com> <006301c85548$cffbefa0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Sale... Hamilton AM 1000 Rangemaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=ZuNSas0z_1ORhkXgZ7DWLj5aENqHV2kTfjS72WPTMTv5BDBIgXiezBmd X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I cant speak for my friend so I don't know if he'd take payment plans, but I doubt it.... if he did, that'd probably raise the price a little. paul On Jan 12, 2008 1:27 PM, hank smith wrote: > have you had alot of offers? > also do you do p ayment plans? just curious. > Hank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 4:27 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Sale... Hamilton AM 1000 Rangemaster > > It is an outdoor setup, but it can be used indoors as well, I think. > > Paul > > On Jan 12, 2008 2:56 AM, hank smith > > wrote: > > > so, so, so, tempting if only I had the money. > > can this be used in doors? or is a out door set up? > > been looking for one of these babies for the part 15 station I am > running. > > Hank > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:31 PM > > Subject: {AMSF} For Sale... Hamilton AM 1000 Rangemaster > > > > It is very gently used, but in good condition and was taken good care > of. > > > > Asking $500 plus shipping...... > > > > Email me oflfist if you're interested.. I am selling this for a friend. > > > > Paul Walker > > walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com > > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > -- > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sat Jan 12 10:36:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42077 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 18:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 18:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 18:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cfb.25f0ff48 (37079) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:35:56 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-db06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB061-90d7478908871ba; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:35:53 -0500 Message-ID: <00ae01c8554a$0e161c10$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <8CA235E61E8BC70-13A8-3331@webmail-da09.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:36:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=RechCUK3l5LSKTXw01R8Q_IBAwLlpmpn0G3t6-Nv5dwqJ9tgvDgy X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how do you recieve these stations? what rig. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:16 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew Yes... 3.710 MHz in AM stereo. Always. There are AM Stereo ham stations??? Mike -----Original Message----- From: wa2fnq To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:55 am Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew Hi Amy, Sorry for the late reply. Sometimes I don't get to keep up with things. Yes... 3.710 MHz in AM stereo. Always. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > You still doing AMS there, or has that gone by the wayside in more > recent times? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > *grumbles about the lack of AMS hams in the western US- What few there > are in the eastern US are too far away* > __________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sat Jan 12 10:37:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50754 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 18:37:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 18:37:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 18:37:58 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c33.2304665b (37079) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:37:35 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-db06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB061-90d7478908eb2e9; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:37:33 -0500 Message-ID: <00bb01c8554a$4c61fc50$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <8bce0fe80801111931l508e1d32jdf64fd055e8b547b@mail.gmail.com> <002c01c854f0$a9f6b0e0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> <8bce0fe80801120427i19fae8d7tbe8f15c901e84bec@mail.gmail.com> <006301c85548$cffbefa0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> <8bce0fe80801121033o3d243b5fm45de885601ee0fdb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:38:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Sale... Hamilton AM 1000 Rangemaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=9LbGkIFlX_rRWhBjf-GK2ulUNCAaArfo-TxVk2xJ5OAqpjS8dTZW X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit darn well if I get this job I may be interested I don't have the money currently but if I get this job and my first paycheck is good I will be in touch and lord willing it will be still for sale. thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Sale... Hamilton AM 1000 Rangemaster I cant speak for my friend so I don't know if he'd take payment plans, but I doubt it.... if he did, that'd probably raise the price a little. paul On Jan 12, 2008 1:27 PM, hank smith wrote: > have you had alot of offers? > also do you do p ayment plans? just curious. > Hank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 4:27 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Sale... Hamilton AM 1000 Rangemaster > > It is an outdoor setup, but it can be used indoors as well, I think. > > Paul > > On Jan 12, 2008 2:56 AM, hank smith > > wrote: > > > so, so, so, tempting if only I had the money. > > can this be used in doors? or is a out door set up? > > been looking for one of these babies for the part 15 station I am > running. > > Hank > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:31 PM > > Subject: {AMSF} For Sale... Hamilton AM 1000 Rangemaster > > > > It is very gently used, but in good condition and was taken good care > of. > > > > Asking $500 plus shipping...... > > > > Email me oflfist if you're interested.. I am selling this for a friend. > > > > Paul Walker > > walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com > > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > -- > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jan 12 10:46:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95311 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 18:46:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 18:46:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 18:46:12 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c03.1ad0c305 (37546) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:46:06 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-da09 (webmail-da09.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.204]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB027-92aa47890aed65; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:46:05 -0500 References: <006c01c85548$f5fdb3f0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:46:05 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <006c01c85548$f5fdb3f0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33706-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-da09.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.204) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:46:05 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA23628564F3F9-13A8-3406@webmail-da09.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=3Xb-3l3oZCNqbB6DNK80-lTBqeqCerN7G3IFWkHbL4HGA7iOvWqepSFlBabGVXnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit these things built or do you have to build them? There seem to be complete, except for the antenna, which was why I mentioned the FCC rule.? The company offerring these is in Greece, I believe, not the U.S.. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 10:48:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47131 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 18:48:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 18:48:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 18:48:11 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2008 18:48:11 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2008 18:48:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2008 18:48:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:48:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006c01c85548$f5fdb3f0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.212.249 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=iJMdf35IZQWLHxlBOFJzMQbgMDvTKyajWYhQCeh9m_I X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 You can see more for it at:=20=20 http://www.aspisys.com/ampll.htm=20 Regards=20 Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > these things built or do you have to build them? > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Sotiris=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 4:53 AM > Subject: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! >=20 >=20 > Happy new year to all members of AM stereo group.=20 > I would like to inform you that since the introduction of ASMAX-1=20 AM=20 > CQUAM stereo transmitter we have sold both at America and=20 Australia,=20 > but most interesting many units sold at European countries and=20 mostly=20 > at Greece, Italy (22), Great Britain (13) & Germany (9)!!! That=20 was=20 > very interesting for me, as my first thought was that Europe=20 wouldn't=20 > be a possible market for those "part15.219" kind of AM=20 transmitters!=20 > However seems that more people from Europe than everybody=20 believes,=20 > are interested on AM stereo!!!=20 > I have found also that many guys at UK, and Germany had AM stereo=20 > receivers! Italians are more familiar with AM stereo, and they=20 have=20 > already made more than 15 ASMAX-1 installations there, some of=20 them=20 > with an RF amplifier after it to gain some more powerfull signal,=20 > than that provided from the EU ASMAX-1 model (400mW PEP)! We are=20 > still trying to find a way to proceed with the FCC certification=20 for=20 > our ASMAX-1, and we might have that done in the next few months.=20 > All feedback comments from ASMAX-1 users are more than excellent!=20 New=20 >=20 > We are also pleased to offer a discount priced unit for everyone=20 that=20 > is a member of this AM stereo Group! This offer will be valid for=20 1=20 > month, until Sunday, February 10th. Every member of this group=20 can=20 > have an ASMAX-1 Mk II unit & together an AM stereo decoder board=20 > DQUAM, for 250U$ + 30U$ for shipping! Paypal payment is accepted.=20 >=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jan 12 10:50:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8136 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 18:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 18:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 18:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c59.22c87b40 (34991) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:50:13 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-da09 (webmail-da09.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.204]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB014-88af47890be4d6; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:50:13 -0500 References: <8CA235E61E8BC70-13A8-3331@webmail-da09.sysops.aol.com> <00ae01c8554a$0e161c10$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:50:12 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <00ae01c8554a$0e161c10$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33706-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-da09.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.204) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:50:12 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA236318F06658-13A8-3425@webmail-da09.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=cP337EYnMRPvbYLiqzIxgnhXlj8rzoQi9-8pRAqmJf3kDb3bXEabc0-i3YnSoH0G X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how do you recieve these stations? I'd be interested in that one myself.? It has to homebrew.? I suppose you could put one of those AM Stereo decoding thingies on the IF output of a communications receiver. Communications and ham receivers are not known for their low distortion RF and IF sections.? C-QUAM like all quadrature AM signals requires low amplitude distortion of the received signal or it goes to crap. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Jan 12 11:02:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21368 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 19:02:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 19:02:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.183) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 19:02:40 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f31so1887989pyh.17 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:02:39 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.69.11 with SMTP id w11mr5322026pyk.60.1200164559201; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:02:39 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:02:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80801121102l5df47241od7252e8602b9ac3f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:02:39 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=isNHOWSO9ie75CKz32Xj5Iqd5S0b15W0FLGtuqd4qUnuDJbVqU8HcWRD X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike: You missed two things.. This is on http://www.aspisys.com/ampll.htm: "The unit meets all FCC (Part-15) requirements for AM transmitters".. doesn't mean it's Certified, just means it could meet FCC requirements. ALso on the same page: Disclaimer: Although this unit meets FCC Part 15 requirements for AM transmitters, this does not mean it has been FCC certified They've not tried to claim they're FCC certified. ANd Hank... they come built, as far as I know. Paul On Jan 12, 2008 12:01 PM, wrote: > You appear to have a very good product and thanks for the discount! > > Not to put a damper on things, but I might point out that it is unlawful > to > market any such device for on-air use that is not already FCC certified. > > The problems you may experience with actual FCC certification are: > > 1. It has to be tested with the antenna with which it is intended to be > used. > > 2. The power requirement is 100 mW DC input, not 100mW RF output. If you > have a broadband output, it will not have anything approaching 100% > efficiency > as it is no doubt a linear amplifier. > > 3. There must not be a means for the consumer to adjust the RF output > level. > > Mike > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jan 12 11:22:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1920 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 19:22:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 19:22:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 19:22:33 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cea.269dfb08 (34993) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:22:28 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MA04 (webmail-ma04.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.68]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB016-88b147891374397; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:22:28 -0500 References: <8bce0fe80801121102l5df47241od7252e8602b9ac3f@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:22:28 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80801121102l5df47241od7252e8602b9ac3f@mail.gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33706-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MA04.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.68) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:22:28 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA23679ADFBCC2-F04-369E@WEBMAIL-MA04.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=63sy9o3FKN_VvuomROg_rk01W8ZBgHTiz8ILq9iYo8KnHBPe09GbBhImC_XgvAL1 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "The unit meets all FCC (Part-15) requirements for AM transmitters".. doesn't mean it's Certified, just means it could meet FCC requirements. Paul, Yes, I could that.?? I took except the assertion it "meets all FCC (Part-15) requirements".? It doesn't and couldn't.? Unlike homebrew and kits (which is a gray area in the regulations), it has BE FCC certified or approved in order to marketed in the U.S. for on-air use. I'm not saying it isn't a good unit nor the price isn't fair.? One could buy it as a AM Stereo generator which was why I purchased one of Chris's boards. As a practical matter, I don't believe the FCC has the resources nor the authority(*) to go around verifying antenna and ground lead lengths, DC power to the final state, etc. for Part 15 stations.? What prompts a FCC visit is almost always interference with a licensed service.? If such is the case, the operator must cease and desist no matter weither his equipment is legal or not. I am taking about Part 15 stations that have made a reasonably digilent effort that may be marginally out of compliance.? That is, their antenna may be 10 ft. instead of 3 meters, the output of the final RF stage is 100mW rather than the DC input, etc..? I am not talking about pirate radio operators running kilowatts into long wires.? The former is, at worst, a regulatory infraction.? The later is violation of the Communications Act, which is?a felony, which could send you away for a long time in a Federal slammer. (*) The FCC only has the legal authority to inspect licensed stations, which stems from a condition of the license the licensee agrees to. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jan 12 11:39:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11830 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 19:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 19:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 19:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d32.204450e8 (37534) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:39:48 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MA04 (webmail-ma04.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.68]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB017-929e478917831a8; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:39:47 -0500 References: <8bce0fe80801121102l5df47241od7252e8602b9ac3f@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:39:47 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80801121102l5df47241od7252e8602b9ac3f@mail.gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33706-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MA04.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.68) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:39:47 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA236A060FF972-F04-3728@WEBMAIL-MA04.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: AM Stereo Exciter Outputs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=u5aamOkp2yMKMorJ8DSYtPqV2-x17J1yN4BBdtw8n1ssKVIkb-PLhxna5yV-CATQ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you who may have commercial AM Stereo exciters like the Motorola units, what kind of outputs do these units have? 1. The composite AM stereo signal for follow-on linear amplification?? If so, what output level? 2.?Seperate AM and continous phase modulated?RF outputs, with the AM going to the regular audio input of the transmitter and the RF output going to the input of the RF chain? 3.?Both of the above. 4.?Something completely different. Thanks. Mike? ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 12 13:42:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16433 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 21:42:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 21:42:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.236.44) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 21:42:53 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2008 21:42:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.134] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2008 21:42:52 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp107.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2008 21:42:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 784689.31672.bm@omp107.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 41814 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2008 21:42:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VxKVd4sVM1mLFK9_HKn4rQ8OKq1AZcAKl5j_DTmG8T9nGdoKDdIixBpBChUrHRh6FJFyRht0wyN5peKGmKO6IcXQFlwP41txZoBkY9NZIo9xd0Nogz1Z7To- X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:42:51 PST Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:42:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <406168.15966.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <777968.40906.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.236.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=k24QPyRHqeAKNf-IkZqFn0KtGhDK_rlRXscCqgIf7Z5UlBIfHixf X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Minidisc is still used and sold professionally. It caught on quite well in europe and asia. In japan it's still quite popular with consumers. I still have 4 machines and they work great. One thing they are very useful for is recording long talk shows. I can set the machine for long record and get 4 hours on one disc. Thats great when you want to record Coast to Coast AM with George Noory! --- "John P." wrote: > George said: "...Sony is involved? Maybe then IBOC > will go the way of > the Betamax and the Minidisc! (No slight on Sony, > just IBOC! lol.." > > Yes, but the Minidisc is a great invention, and > works wonderful in > doing what it needs to do without ruining everything > around it and is > totally compatible with analog! > John > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 14:01:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20624 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 22:01:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 22:01:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.203) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 22:01:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81385 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2008 22:01:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dXFjR9IVM1lMsQQcvw4ReniDh1uEDxb2fTV5T_FadV4MGOEzy8K1fWJfnMp4vKe7uqBtG7O8FCxKd_SaQct6LAS5WN_vOQpDah0cqMIwzvjLtB3qpkY- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:01:29 PST Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:01:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <659625.78655.qm@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=K9i57t100fHsMjhz342s2LTfvqsle-J3fXgMVTvuQRN6_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Sounds like good stuff for the Art Bell show! --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/11/08 3:37:18 PM Central > Standard Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Huh? No B+, and they glowed? Wouldn't have been > that > > they might drive a Geiger counter crazy, too, > would > > it? > > All I know is the guy decided to use it anyway and > found out the radio didn't > have to be plugged in anymore and could get HBO. > The downside was the wife > put a potted plant on top of it. A week later the > plant ate the cat. > > Mike > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 14:14:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54587 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 22:14:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 22:14:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 22:14:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 86106 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2008 22:14:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5brIy0AVM1nsyqPKW5q6gdaXqeS6BJpwj60v8fg54.MwSAewWbpfDBnyJPPUMPpHGia82vI4kFvgF4oLRAc5GdkK3KI_g4eurXDqlJAWFwXKBz2BAZw- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:14:02 PST Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:14:02 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <012901c8552f$eca94800$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <469074.85451.qm@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} CES and Ibiquity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=yJ6LpUxY8GXpQXlfei3m8EoFkcMPW_TX_k0f2Aov5AOmXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Ah, I like your version of SECAM even better! But, I am a die-hard NTSC kinda guy, so I'll stick with...Neat Technology Super Colors. (the math involved in bringing NTSC into being is pretty cool!) George --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > I[ve always heard NTSC stood for Never Twice the > Same Color. > SECAM= System Especially to Counter American Methods > > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > NTSC=Now THAT'S Superior Color! > SECAM=System Esentialy Contrary to Accepted > Methods > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 14:20:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69918 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 22:20:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 22:20:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 22:20:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 55295 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2008 22:20:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jpxobf0VM1kQLYT723RK5jD1FBc4vbWAjEIA25H_FWxSKk_J.M9I6EMloCEn6vS9MWPLVtlV0NwlDN0cDYbU53czWA-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:20:58 PST Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:20:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <015b01c85532$8a7c8040$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <721541.10159.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=6A-C5pJAUzeeG2AxL9SrClJuiejSRKiW3Z9PBvZi5NMmeA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I agree on a couple things...the hiss added to small sounds is the same as dithering in digital recording, isn't it? The eye tube dimming I agree is ion bombardment, as well as maybe heating of the target. It would be impractical to ion trap an eye tube, I guess! At a trip to the TV museum in Columbus, I saw first hand the ion burning on old CRTs...not pretty! I think I'll make an eye tube with red, white, and blue target, for those sets with a real spirit! Regards, George --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > Combining several messages into one reply- > > Not really. Tubes tend to make even order harmonic > distortion which the ear finds very pleasing. And > unless you're using computer grade tubes, the cutoff > is a lot softer than with solid state. One other > thing- the human ear can hear faint noises better > with a small amount of background hiss. How many of > you knew that? > > 1L6s would be a good tube to make. I think if we > can find ways of *rebuilding* them, primarily just > changing out the filament and re-evacuating the > envelope, that would be enough. > > Can't really say that was forward thinking- there > was a police band just above the broadcast band and > that's all they were trying to get. I don't think > they ever envisioned the expanded AM band we have > today. > > As for tuning eyes, I think we'd need to find > someone who can determine why the phosphors go dim > so fast. My suspicion is ion bombardment though I > can't prove it. I'm just going by what I remember of > old TV technology. The CRTs made before aluminized > screens needed an ion trap to keep the phosphors > from being destroyed. There'd have to be some sort > of coating which would protect the phosphors and > still let the light through, probably a layer of > evaporated metal a few molecules thick. Gold would > be a likely candidate. As for using salvaged color > TV phosphors, I kind of doubt that would be > practical. Those phosphor dots (or stripes, in the > case of a lot of Japanese sets) are pretty > small/thin. Those phosphors are likely readily > available anyway. I do like the idea of other > colors. > > Scott Todd > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mjgrant@aol.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Why tubes sound as good as they do is still > somewhat of mystery. Well > designed tube transmitters typically sound much > better than their specifications and > proofs would suggest. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Now if that guy in France can make a batch of > 1L6 > tubes, he can retire! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mjgrant@aol.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Like the Connie 317, the Zenith sounds > remarkably good. It is very smooth, mellow, > and listenable. It also tunes the > Extended AM Broadcast Band. That was some > forward thinking for 1941! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > What my friends and I have been discussing > is possibly > taking apart old tuning eye tubes, like the > very rare > 6T5, and re-coating the targets with new > phosphor, as > phosphor failure ("burn") seems to be the > main problem > with such tubes. We've also considered > designing a > few new styles of our own, with different > color > phosphors, maybe mixing colors scraped from > old CRTs. > Custom tuning eyes, anyone? > > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 14:31:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9195 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 22:31:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 22:31:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 22:31:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11238 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2008 22:31:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: I2cuM4AVM1k4m0DdwHk3VWOxe2X.DhKJpFWXY6Re X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:31:06 PST Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:31:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <406168.15966.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <848730.8100.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=ox__FgSTL8gZD1j57Jpc8MYfYLjv11qjALc69fn5EH7Kyg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Believe me, NO slur was meant to either Beta or Minidisc! I am a die-hard Minidisc user, own 14 decks/portables/rack-mounts, including a HiMD portable. I love the format, as I can edit in the field with no computer needed. Your right, it is a great invention, and it saddens me to see Sony giving up on it, along with their superior ATRAC codec. As for Beta, I still use SuperBeta to record shows I might miss, and remember, Beta didn't die, it just gave up it's consumer standing. Beta begat Betacam, the darling of the broadcasters, and the one good thing about NTSC going away is I will maybe be able to finally afford a Betacam SP camcorder! No slur against either great format, just a joke about Sony's great technology versus their lousy marketing. Regards, George --- "John P." wrote: > George said: "...Sony is involved? Maybe then IBOC > will go the way of > the Betamax and the Minidisc! (No slight on Sony, > just IBOC! lol.." > > Yes, but the Minidisc is a great invention, and > works wonderful in > doing what it needs to do without ruining everything > around it and is > totally compatible with analog! > John > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 14:36:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78966 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 22:36:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 22:36:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 22:36:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87054 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2008 22:36:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: h9bzRyQVM1m3Ufpb0AbtWKfVNNVFZGx0mop0cSICm7QbIovq4ZX5gMpFywUL4DY5l1_QNBnul5lN3IEUd5sIDRrCe6OhyPkNOZYuHyolvooFyOB3iBCMUsFdxE93rw-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:36:12 PST Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:36:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <777968.40906.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <6021.84302.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=EsFQ0JAczj2VqUJ-WECcC7kHBERX_KlXbZf0uBuOZbYE6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My kinda people! As for being sold professionally, WHERE? I thought the MZ-RH1 was going to be the last Minidisc made. Tell me some good news! Sony should apply the HiMD technology to a larger disc and offer 24-bit/96 kHz...I'd stop eating to save up for one! Regards, George --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Minidisc is still used and sold professionally. It > caught on quite well in europe and asia. In japan > it's still quite popular with consumers. I still > have > 4 machines and they work great. One thing they are > very useful for is recording long talk shows. I can > set the machine for long record and get 4 hours on > one > disc. Thats great when you want to record Coast to > Coast AM with George Noory! > > > --- "John P." wrote: > > > George said: "...Sony is involved? Maybe then IBOC > > will go the way of > > the Betamax and the Minidisc! (No slight on Sony, > > just IBOC! lol.." > > > > Yes, but the Minidisc is a great invention, and > > works wonderful in > > doing what it needs to do without ruining > everything > > around it and is > > totally compatible with analog! > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 14:36:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31948 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 22:36:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 22:36:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 22:36:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66301 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2008 22:36:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JmRLCegVM1kFveHv1o5bDm1V1MdPiAbCLXSgCBXCiCBed1yckZR2dJBhIzkeOEFTRcZLQQAjDPako9xCvUEsuNX4.2kmn_3mjotFW2U14o5i3Vq10oc- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:36:36 PST Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:36:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <777968.40906.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <512980.59540.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=QPV657gsgOwf2sOif7DDIcVHSF-1ZJMn4LZmROz6-IIz-A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My kinda people! As for being sold professionally, WHERE? I thought the MZ-RH1 was going to be the last Minidisc made. Tell me some good news! Sony should apply the HiMD technology to a larger disc and offer 24-bit/96 kHz...I'd stop eating to save up for one! Regards, George --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Minidisc is still used and sold professionally. It > caught on quite well in europe and asia. In japan > it's still quite popular with consumers. I still > have > 4 machines and they work great. One thing they are > very useful for is recording long talk shows. I can > set the machine for long record and get 4 hours on > one > disc. Thats great when you want to record Coast to > Coast AM with George Noory! > > > --- "John P." wrote: > > > George said: "...Sony is involved? Maybe then IBOC > > will go the way of > > the Betamax and the Minidisc! (No slight on Sony, > > just IBOC! lol.." > > > > Yes, but the Minidisc is a great invention, and > > works wonderful in > > doing what it needs to do without ruining > everything > > around it and is > > totally compatible with analog! > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jan 12 15:31:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87288 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 23:31:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 23:31:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 23:31:30 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.137] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080112173115000923800003> for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:31:15 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <007a01c85573$d12dd160$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <8bce0fe80801121102l5df47241od7252e8602b9ac3f@mail.gmail.com> <8CA236A060FF972-F04-3728@WEBMAIL-MA04.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:31:15 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Exciter Outputs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ZGPWQ-l7PmmVSFTNNgaWYT-ruOUCtAba4RAHK8ZZNQrLcNMmYKoz X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Not all makes have the same features, but the Motorolas have an L-R modulated RF output for replacing the transmitter's internal oscillator, the L+R audio to feed to the regular modulator stages, and a low level composite output (about 100mW worth) to help diagnose whether an AM stereo problem is in the exciter or the transmitter. I don't think the BE exciters had that last item. You'd have to shut the station down temporarily and listen to that output on an AM stereo radio. If it sounded fine there the problem was external to the exciter. All outputs are BNC connectors. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: To: For those of you who may have commercial AM Stereo exciters like the Motorola units, what kind of outputs do these units have? --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Jan 12 15:44:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61177 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2008 23:44:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2008 23:44:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2008 23:44:47 -0000 X-Received: from dialup-4.232.117.248.dial1.losangeles1.level3.net ([4.232.117.248]) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1JDq1u-0003EX-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:44:46 -0500 Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6021.84302.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:44:43 -0600 References: <6021.84302.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=vcRfSyMr47o1gOaDR12kLpRp_RElsfQkhlltHYchY5BnGntgo61g_teWAhNTvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell wrote: > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My kinda people! > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different models from 3 different brands=20=20 on their web site for sale. Kevin =93You=92re never beaten until you admit it.=94 - General George S. Patton = Jr. From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 16:09:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4914 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 00:09:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 00:09:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.158) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 00:09:39 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 00:09:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 00:09:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 00:09:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:09:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.212.249 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=ALgOiAZWUpZRWiRLpPzYwwvFG2XRODb9wHKulgTNZqk X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 Thanks for your comments... We have real consider long ago every=20 aspect you have mentioned... However we clealy say that for now, the=20 ASMAX-1 hasn't been a "certified" unit, although it has been measured=20 and meets every single required rule for certification process! I would like to clarify for you & also others, some things about=20 ASMAX-1. The unit meets EVERY technical requirement of Part 15.219=20=20 (paragraphs a, b, & c), as it has DC input (not RF power as you have=20 misunderstund probably) at final stage, factory trimmed at 100mW=20 consumption (see #a) with UNMODULATED carrier! Newer units are all=20 made with a fixed 100mW max DC input power at the final stage, as=20 there is no need now for the user to trim something on the unit.=20 There is a real wideband output stage that has an efficiency of 35%=20 and that means we can have a modulated carrier reaching 140mW of RF=20 power, although we keep it at ~120mW PEP max and that is the power=20 mentioned clearly as RF PEP at our website (this doesn't apply to=20 units for licensed HAM radio operators, where the rear panel pot will=20 be on its place, allowing a max adjustment of 400mW PEP). Also it has ALL harmonics & spurious products FAR LESS than the=20 required by the regulation (see #b), -20db, as worst case is measured=20 at -36dbc! for 2nd harmonic of a 520Khz carrier setting!=20 Now the most commonly misunderstund Part15 paragraph is the one=20 referred to the "3 meter" total length of the antenna used at=20 part15.219 type transmitters (see #b)!=20 Wihout any intention to try to convice anybody about it, I'm sure=20 (and I have already asked many people related with FCC regulations)=20 that there is NOT a single direct or indirect reference inside the=20 15.219 text, that makes the use of a specific PERMANENT attached=20 antenna, a DE FACTO oneway for certification, and marketing a=20 transmitter according to this SPECIFIC regulation!=20 ---------- Copied & pasted from FCC cfr47 part15.219 paragraph----- =A7 15.219 Operation in the band 510=961705 kHz=20 (a) The total input power to the final radio frequency stage=20 (exclusive of filament or heater power) shall not exceed 100=20 milliwatts. (b) The total length of the transmission line, antenna and ground=20 lead (if used) shall not exceed 3 meters. (c) All emissions below 510 kHz or above 1705 kHz shall be attenuated=20 at least 20 dB below the level of the unmodulated carrier.=20 Determination of compliance with the 20 dB attenuation specification=20 may be based on measurements at the intentional radiator's antenna=20 output terminal unless the intentional radiator uses a permanently=20 attached antenna, in which case compliance shall be deomonstrated by=20 measuring the radiated emissions. ---------------------------------------------=20 Now reading the text BELOW the end of (c) there is an interesting=20 point in my opinion.=20 "For determination of compliance with the 20db..." (clarifying the=20 measurement method that should be followed, when a device is tested=20 also for certification and/or compliance with #c for parasitic=20 emissions), "measurements at the intenional radiator's ANTENNA OUTPUT=20 TERMINAL! UNLESS!!! ... USES A PERMANENT ATTACHED ANTENNA!=20 Seems that the text in capital lettering shows a contrary situation=20 for those saying that you must have a specific antenna permanent=20 attached at the device to pass certification, as you can have an=20 antenna output terminal (commonly called CONNECTOR), but you can't=20 certify a unit if it hasn't a permanent fixed antenna at it!=20 The above process of verification for parasitic emissions, clearly=20 clarifies that there is no need for a unit to be certified with a=20 specific antenna fo use on it, as at that case it would'n't=20 distinguish between two ways of lab measurements. It should be only=20 one way, that one that requires "compliance to be demonstrated by=20 measuring the radiated emissions" from the antenna, either permanent=20 attached on the device or not, as that it would be only a matter of=20 the antenna radiated emissions measurement! =20 The antenna choice can be a installation matter, that buyers can make=20 as long as they aren't going to use something having a length more=20 than 3 meters total!=20 If someone uses larger antenna with a certified device (the device=20 is the transmitter itself and not the antenna, and it must be=20 certified at 15.219 for use with an "antenna type" with a length less=20 than the 3 meters refered at #b, regardless what the ) then he=20 probably brakes the rule not the transmitter! It is the same=20 situation as if somebody changes an electronic part inside a=20 certified unit with a permanent attached antenna on it, and gaining=20 more power from the final stage than the 100mW refered at #a! Its the=20 user responsibility to follow the rules at the end!=20=20 For the above comments I can provide many examples of certified part=20 15.219 units, that they haven't a specific antenna under their=20 certification process, and they use antenna connectors (not commonly=20 used for antennas and probably not available in the market for that=20 specific use, but they are real connectors). Some have also a=20 selection rear switch that makes possible for the user to select from=20 internal antenna and an external antenna jack, for connecting a user=20 choice antenna! Problem for us with the certification process as I see it, is that we=20 must find someone at US to work with us for the paperwork, and all=20 the required arrangments that will be need...=20 Technicaly we have the ability to run all required lab tests (also on=20 our labs and at two other EU certified metrology labs)! We have make=20 every required tests according to Part15 related paragraphs (meaning=20 not only the 15.219) and we have measures that can prove that the=20 unit not only meets but exceeds ALL the certification process rules!=20 We could surely avoid all these process by offering a real kit form=20 device! But how many people you know that they could even try to=20 solder by hand a 24pin uSSOP SMT IC like the one we use for DDS, or=20 even build a kit with almost 250pcs of 0805 SMT's and more than 10pcs=20 of SOIC's? Sooner or later the paragraph of the part 15 rules that allowing=20 somebody to build its own transmitter by scratch or kit will be=20 useless. While on the other hand he can't use professionaly designed=20 and builded devices without certification (and not ONLY VERIFICATION=20 as on all others part15 devices! Please read the diferrences between=20 the two ways to see what I mean).=20 Most electronic parts turning to SMT and the very older ones that=20 are still on production can't be considered for new designs, if=20 somebody wants to meet todays rules for CE, RoHS, FCC, etc!=20 An example... Three or more decades ago to make a stable frequency=20 oscillator you should use a specific selected frequency crystal, and=20 to change frequency of use, you should first change the crystal and=20 the retune everything in the device! Nowdays a PLL or better a DDS=20 will allow you to change frequency on the fly!!!=20 Before 3 or 4 decades it was extremly expensive for a small company=20 lab to have all test equipments that are capable to make accurate=20 measures. But now even small personal ham radio labs can have T&M=20 equipments that even NASA would loved to have back at early 60's!=20 Part 15 am transmitter designing and testing is for sure not rocket=20 science after all... and today is even more easier to follow the=20 rules by the book! Ooops... turns to be a bit long message finally :) Sorry...=20 Best regards Sotiris=20 =20 -- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > You appear to have a very good product and thanks for the discount! >=20 > Not to put a damper on things, but I might point out that it is=20 unlawful to=20 > market any such device for on-air use that is not already FCC=20 certified. >=20 > The problems you may experience with actual FCC certification are: >=20 > 1. It has to be tested with the antenna with which it is intended=20 to be=20 > used. >=20 > 2. The power requirement is 100 mW DC input, not 100mW RF output.=20=20 If you=20 > have a broadband output, it will not have anything approaching 100%=20 efficiency=20 > as it is no doubt a linear amplifier. >=20 > 3. There must not be a means for the consumer to adjust the RF=20 output level. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. >=20=20=20=20=20=20 > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise? NCID=3Daolcmp00300000002489 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jan 12 16:47:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75380 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 00:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 00:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 00:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.137] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080112184710002476000003> for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:47:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00b501c8557e$6cf9a740$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:47:10 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=RPJwi7j6Yypcmb-byvsN0r_wxrs2MhM91O0qKXada8ds5RaohcSz X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That means the carrier output isn't going to be much more than the original Alfredo Lite transmitter! The FCC only specifies PEP for ham band operation not the AM broadcast band. Someone needs to combine the low level circuitry of the A-L with the output stages of a Hamilton. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Sotiris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com There is a real wideband output stage that has an efficiency of 35% and that means we can have a modulated carrier reaching 140mW of RF power, although we keep it at ~120mW PEP max and that is the power mentioned clearly as RF PEP at our website (this doesn't apply to units for licensed HAM radio operators, where the rear panel pot will be on its place, allowing a max adjustment of 400mW PEP --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sat Jan 12 17:25:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77208 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 01:25:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 01:25:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 01:25:07 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cde.212454fd (37096) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:24:49 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-db07.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB076-90e84789685f44; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:24:48 -0500 Message-ID: <007701c85583$2cd6a3c0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <6021.84302.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:25:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=XUYnZVW5huCo9ocj5GvVWPLRWTsKK_0H1VcdiJysiGBB1ed34KSf X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 will they stop making md decs? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:44 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell wrote: > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My kinda people! > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different models from 3 different brands on their web site for sale. Kevin “You’re never beaten until you admit it.” - General George S. Patton Jr. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 17:33:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43509 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 01:33:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 01:33:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.116) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 01:33:35 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 01:33:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 01:33:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 01:33:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:33:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b501c8557e$6cf9a740$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.116 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.212.249 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=PKBT5FA_pLZhYk4d7PSH7DC1kRuYeEykDUySR2-i_mw X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 Not sure how much power was the original Alfredo lite kit available=20 from Chris, but from what I've read previously those wasn't more than=20 10mW RF! At a discussion here lately, someone said that the newer=20 units are now upgraded 100mW RF. Maybe someone who has one older unit=20 could give more info about it...=20 Have anybody measured the RF output power of a Hamilton? I've heard=20 many things about Hamilton and another one kit that is PLL. The later=20 one is surely not more powerfull however!=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > That means the carrier output isn't going to be much more than the=20 original Alfredo Lite transmitter! The FCC only specifies PEP for=20 ham band operation not the AM broadcast band. Someone needs to=20 combine the low level circuitry of the A-L with the output stages of=20 a Hamilton. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Sotiris=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > There is a real wideband output stage that has an efficiency of=20 35%=20 > and that means we can have a modulated carrier reaching 140mW of=20 RF=20 > power, although we keep it at ~120mW PEP max and that is the=20 power=20 > mentioned clearly as RF PEP at our website (this doesn't apply to=20 > units for licensed HAM radio operators, where the rear panel pot=20 will=20 > be on its place, allowing a max adjustment of 400mW PEP >=20 >=20 > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Jan 12 17:37:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22298 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 01:37:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 01:37:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.170) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 01:37:53 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.79]) by bay0-omc2-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:37:40 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:37:40 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:37:38 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:37:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2008 01:37:40.0464 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2879700:01C85584] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=FtoTj9Ij6gnt2f6oWYmnhRSmAtUiVwNeHrF2JpU857lV X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd the hamiltons toroid output circuit and 3 meter whip is too narrow in bandwidth. there is not enough to pass the QuAM. i think it has an RF bandwidth of about 6khz uner optimal conditions. search part 15 us for more info on the subject. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sotiris" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 8:33 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! Hi Not sure how much power was the original Alfredo lite kit available from Chris, but from what I've read previously those wasn't more than 10mW RF! At a discussion here lately, someone said that the newer units are now upgraded 100mW RF. Maybe someone who has one older unit could give more info about it... Have anybody measured the RF output power of a Hamilton? I've heard many things about Hamilton and another one kit that is PLL. The later one is surely not more powerfull however! Best regards Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > That means the carrier output isn't going to be much more than the original Alfredo Lite transmitter! The FCC only specifies PEP for ham band operation not the AM broadcast band. Someone needs to combine the low level circuitry of the A-L with the output stages of a Hamilton. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sotiris > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > There is a real wideband output stage that has an efficiency of 35% > and that means we can have a modulated carrier reaching 140mW of RF > power, although we keep it at ~120mW PEP max and that is the power > mentioned clearly as RF PEP at our website (this doesn't apply to > units for licensed HAM radio operators, where the rear panel pot will > be on its place, allowing a max adjustment of 400mW PEP > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Jan 12 18:37:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74849 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 02:37:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 02:37:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 02:37:53 -0000 X-Received: from dialup-4.232.237.57.dial1.losangeles1.level3.net ([4.232.237.57]) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1JDsjP-0006e9-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:37:52 -0500 Message-Id: <81C46828-1D69-4468-9138-0EB22A578A31@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <007701c85583$2cd6a3c0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:37:49 -0600 References: <6021.84302.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <007701c85583$2cd6a3c0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=5jZ8comwrazxyefEMSyiKwvPizgisvtAJHEDLaccl5TnZ9bpVND6n5PDDV1Vtg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jan 12, 2008, at 7:25 PM, hank smith wrote: > will they stop making md decs? One of these days, I am sure they will, but I think it will be a=20=20 while. MDs are pretty popular in radio and in the consumer market in=20=20 other countries. Kevin =93You=92re never beaten until you admit it.=94 - General George S. Patton = Jr. From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jan 12 20:26:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11587 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 04:25:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 04:25:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 04:25:58 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bd6.24fd6a36 (42809) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:25:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:25:51 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=hESSeHOgfd71FUdQGMRhK_Odv7-jPP6-RUG8jzCBf5rqOQA5wt92hqoOekFeFizm X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/12/08 4:01:55 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Sounds like good stuff for the Art Bell show! > Odd you should mention Art Bell. I was dialing around the radio driving back from Arkansas, and Art Bell himself was back on his show. By the way, I personally know George Nouri. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sat Jan 12 20:28:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18361 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 04:28:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 04:28:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 04:28:11 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bc2.1dd965f3 (37071) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:27:52 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-db05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB055-90cf47899346259; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:27:51 -0500 Message-ID: <006001c8559c$bd7268b0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:28:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=uBS5au7Rq4Vh9WJTthv41-tplq1j4B3XOsxy0hsp-X9v16WkECOe X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit write on is he as nice in person as he is on the air? I think he is doing a awesome job out of curiousity how did you meet george? Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 8:25 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? In a message dated 1/12/08 4:01:55 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Sounds like good stuff for the Art Bell show! > Odd you should mention Art Bell. I was dialing around the radio driving back from Arkansas, and Art Bell himself was back on his show. By the way, I personally know George Nouri. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jan 12 20:29:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38919 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 04:29:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 04:29:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 04:29:54 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cce.2354f326 (42809) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:29:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:29:49 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=lMoJHLtuNQNvpdsJY16H8pi1dm78WfcqFs8Kck7MXW9gePymSqz0KbGeG0kLwXbb X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it's too high anode potential, rather than heat or current. I has a Newcomb school radio that could use a new 6E5 which is considerably faded. Maybe I will put one of those Chernobyl "conditioned" ones in and see if I can get XM radio on it. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jan 12 21:05:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49405 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 05:05:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 05:05:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 05:05:38 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cda.2346fd26 (42809) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:05:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:05:31 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=dJsTHBtqEpR6I7RKUdVZxk2irOwA0ShzvLB3lyM_F6ekcU283_z8K6f2wX2KGNcP X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wasn't taking issue with your product, which seems very well designed. I agree the Part 15 rules are somewhat confusing and subject to interpretation. I've been toying with the idea building a marketable AM Stereo transmitter, so that is why I was familar with the regulations. The certification process seems very costly and unless one sold a good number of units at a hefty price, it would not be profitable. So I decided to just make it an engineering exercise. LBP, a company I knew from my college days four decades ago, made a certified unit. It has an insulated stud on the top that a Radio Shack 96 in. steel whip screwed into. The reason for certifying a unit with a particular antenna attached is that the power input and output are highly dependent on the antenna itself. My preference from an engineering perspective would be to certified the transmitter has a 50 ohm output impedance and into a 50 ohm load. The will give the maximum possible power transfer. There is nothing the user could attach to it to get any more. Testing with an antenna is messy because a 3-meter length of wire is anything but 50 ohms. It has a very high impedance which is almost entirely reactive. It would take several thousand volts of RF to deliver 100mW of real power into a 3-meter monopole and that assumes a infinite lossless ground. Even tuning out the reactance, the residue real component is almost entirely the ground resistance. Testing with 50 ohms or some specified test load would seem to make more sense. Otherwise, you essentially need an antenna test range with a low loss ground system. I am looking at a DSP approach with a Direct PWM or Chireix output stage. That will deliver an output efficiency of around 90% as opposed to 35% for a linear amplifier stage. The challenge is finding a fast enough DSP engine to get enough effective resolution to keep the noise floor low. Are you looking for a particular U.S lab to do the certification? I also agree it is hard to electronic experimental anymore as thru-hole parts are disappearing. The new high performance stuff was never made in thru-hole. I can't even hand solder DIPs, let alone fine pitch SMD. Again, it looks like you have a great product. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jan 12 21:15:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92077 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 05:15:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 05:15:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 05:15:57 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bed.198c18fb (42809) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:15:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:15:40 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=A8XkIlLTGjHLIkxQATKFcWA6lJzOxhmWP9pZdFae4ASipkgMRBFGERqzrC1p-rbI X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/12/08 7:38:06 PM Central Standard Time, kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: > the hamiltons toroid output circuit and 3 meter whip is too narrow in > bandwidth. there is not enough to pass the QuAM. > The problems isn't the toroid, it's the 3 meter whip. Even at extended broadcast band frequencies, a 3 meter whip has an astronomical Q. That means a narrow bandwidth. One could use a PI matching network instead of the toriod, but it would be super critical and one would lose the isolation provided by the toroid. When you have a 10 ft stick up the air and a silicon RF final, you need all the ESD protection you can get. I am working on an antenna with a wider bandwidth as well as one that may need require a grounding system. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sat Jan 12 21:22:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92035 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 05:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 05:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 05:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c63.23fcb5e5 (37074) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:22:00 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-db05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB058-90d247899ff61f5; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:21:59 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01c855a4$5ba7cbe0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:22:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=GjXXjmw2ejK5KmcjZT2mRr3Ut3GqP7KpkD6mqYnGT568oox16Ff- X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit if you ever build a am stereo board that can give the full 100mw output let me know and you got a buyer Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! I wasn't taking issue with your product, which seems very well designed. I agree the Part 15 rules are somewhat confusing and subject to interpretation. I've been toying with the idea building a marketable AM Stereo transmitter, so that is why I was familar with the regulations. The certification process seems very costly and unless one sold a good number of units at a hefty price, it would not be profitable. So I decided to just make it an engineering exercise. LBP, a company I knew from my college days four decades ago, made a certified unit. It has an insulated stud on the top that a Radio Shack 96 in. steel whip screwed into. The reason for certifying a unit with a particular antenna attached is that the power input and output are highly dependent on the antenna itself. My preference from an engineering perspective would be to certified the transmitter has a 50 ohm output impedance and into a 50 ohm load. The will give the maximum possible power transfer. There is nothing the user could attach to it to get any more. Testing with an antenna is messy because a 3-meter length of wire is anything but 50 ohms. It has a very high impedance which is almost entirely reactive. It would take several thousand volts of RF to deliver 100mW of real power into a 3-meter monopole and that assumes a infinite lossless ground. Even tuning out the reactance, the residue real component is almost entirely the ground resistance. Testing with 50 ohms or some specified test load would seem to make more sense. Otherwise, you essentially need an antenna test range with a low loss ground system. I am looking at a DSP approach with a Direct PWM or Chireix output stage. That will deliver an output efficiency of around 90% as opposed to 35% for a linear amplifier stage. The challenge is finding a fast enough DSP engine to get enough effective resolution to keep the noise floor low. Are you looking for a particular U.S lab to do the certification? I also agree it is hard to electronic experimental anymore as thru-hole parts are disappearing. The new high performance stuff was never made in thru-hole. I can't even hand solder DIPs, let alone fine pitch SMD. Again, it looks like you have a great product. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jan 12 21:32:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21201 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 05:32:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 05:32:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 05:32:29 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c7b.2439a326 (42809) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:31:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:31:56 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Yqvh-AllJhCQjnik0KrnauUoI0VX6T2hgCw8gW1i0XuIze3ms2iuJ05P7v36NRru X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Noory spend a stint here in St. Louis doing the graveyard shift at KTRS here in St. Louis. He had his own local show before he started substituting for Art Bell on Coast to Coast. George has kind of a unique radio style. He doesn't have the rancor of a Rush nor the funeral director tone of NPR. He's Easy Listening for Talk Radio. As for meeting George, we had a common interest in legitimate UFO research. Not the aluminum foil hat / black helicopter stuff. Yes, he is a nice guy. A great listener. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 21:39:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9228 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 05:39:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 05:39:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 05:39:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44776 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2008 05:39:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GAPYOWUVM1ntiM.EmnTq_dua9KaG1TteZs1Sx7LIPi6kP69KyysLvlcbG7NCmvJJnz3WZWOeA2jyyDoPoOTbFLg5xPzY71AxP8UVesvbLvHsoqU- X-Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:39:42 PST Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:39:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <291332.43075.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=LFCA5ivMwcNEGnOUXb2n-lud5CHJ-b0tIpGaM0wDkgCb2NgEY7ASaCU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Jerry wrote: "Yes... 3.710 MHz in AM stereo. Always. Jerry WA2FNQ" Jerry, could you have an AM stereo chat on the 160m band? If so, we could use the ASPiSYS AM Stereo "amateur radio version" transmitter! Now, there you would not have any FCC concerns whatsoever, assuming your license class allows for operation on the 160 meter band. 73's John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 21:54:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24528 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 05:54:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 05:54:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 05:54:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 79927 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2008 05:54:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LYdZdeUVM1lO0mbUoZqbuJrEeXo5oxmssu_wTI0r5MOPBlKFf_GdSgalFtWL0acKArqlNnDymvl_dVnkbau5wikcktZu4C9DOln6FWg_tTFRqgGPybj3zxy6wxFhEQ-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:54:06 PST Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:54:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <81C46828-1D69-4468-9138-0EB22A578A31@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <205298.77633.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=58zjA9G3FtdpPCQw-7nO1fnSuOM10yPoQ_542BrDIvOJ-g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Well, the JE-480 was Sony's last (non-Hi) MD deck, and the MZ-M200 aka MZ-RH10 was their last portable, and they seem to have no plans to make anymore of either, nor have they announced any future models. Sony has even dropped ATRAC on their Connect download service, bowing to MP3. Hope I'm wrong, but seems the writing is on the wall. As for the HBB and Tascam stuff, those models have been out a while, may be last of stock, too. Marantz made a great pro portable, too, but have dropped it in favor of hard-drive and flash memory based stuff. Sadly, even after Sony developed HiMD, they never made a deck for it. Only one out is made by Onkyo. The station I hang out at occasionally still uses MD, as do I'm sure a lot of others, maybe their loyalty will buy it some more time? Hope so! There is a great site for MD, www.minidisc.org They have specs, manual downloads, even an animation of how the HiMD optics works...pretty cool stuff! Regards, George --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 7:25 PM, hank smith wrote: > > > will they stop making md decs? > > One of these days, I am sure they will, but I think > it will be a > while. MDs are pretty popular in radio and in the > consumer market in > other countries. > > Kevin > “You’re never beaten until you admit it.” - General > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 21:57:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92979 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 05:57:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 05:57:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 05:57:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 64859 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2008 05:57:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YX6GnTgVM1n..cQUalF8csGybtC06Z0oEA1TDu1HGP1Ey2T9XVhV3oMhnOcwjMMYwvBGaPVJFFPVXKWe33r1O3gPSMSkDxEp94Y0EZjn42czK3pkbzm3ycKan0xmUQ-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:57:18 PST Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:57:18 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <904269.28279.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=zNG2d-nogLRX3fIrpLbg5eMimXleS16pmM0X3MN-V19iLw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes, I heard him not long ago, and it wasn't a tape. George was once an anchor at WXYZ-TV 7 in Detroit, I think. Oops, time to go warm up the radio, that show starts in a couple minutes! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/12/08 4:01:55 PM Central > Standard Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Sounds like good stuff for the Art Bell show! > > > Odd you should mention Art Bell. I was dialing > around the radio driving back > from Arkansas, and Art Bell himself was back on his > show. By the way, I > personally know George Nouri. > > Mike > > > > > ************** > Start the year off right. 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 22:01:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46925 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 06:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 06:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 06:01:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30549 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2008 06:01:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: r023ms8VM1k01JGz_SBo.0Mw3L4TToUwDTcEBC6HZb0x5NwZWX.J4nsnSrf5Brdh6a6pEST3B_9WP2qi7kJVIKOSvbPWnADC0VM5zWb81AYmwwaWCHzT61ryCYPzkQ-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:01:45 PST Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:01:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <430143.29538.qm@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=eyXL-MBcTb_CAdTw9mLIBbJOsAcQW1d9phLwaczpTX5tjg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Could be. I have an old Grundig with the scarce EM34 eye in it, and I tried putting a cathode resistor in rather than a target resistor. It not only dimmed the eye, but made the zero signal angle bigger! Rodgers of Canada even had an eye tube made for wide angle, the 6X6G. same idea, keep the cathode high on the indicator, and that tube had a seperate cathode for that. But it does seem that lower target current stretches the life out...I sure hope so, 'cause EM34s are gettin' mighty pricey! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I think it's too high anode potential, rather than > heat or current. > > I has a Newcomb school radio that could use a new > 6E5 which is considerably > faded. Maybe I will put one of those Chernobyl > "conditioned" ones in and see > if I can get XM radio on it. > > Mike > > > ************** > Start the year off right. 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 22:03:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25942 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 06:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 06:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 06:03:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 88461 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2008 06:03:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: B8JygiMVM1mrK4khHfuPWdb6d.wWXq26Q3nMt2a6g0JTWAs6psNR0F02TrqOBvmPZA-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:03:15 PST Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:03:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <48742.84115.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=zScUWFFgS9nBFeZwMcoBJP0EUw4r-cYcxps3DpeeX-wtfg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 UFOs ARE real!!! Any forums for that? --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > George Noory spend a stint here in St. Louis doing > the graveyard shift at > KTRS here in St. Louis. He had his own local show > before he started substituting > for Art Bell on Coast to Coast. > > George has kind of a unique radio style. He doesn't > have the rancor of a > Rush nor the funeral director tone of NPR. He's > Easy Listening for Talk Radio. > > As for meeting George, we had a common interest in > legitimate UFO research. > Not the aluminum foil hat / black helicopter stuff. > > Yes, he is a nice guy. A great listener. > > Mike > > > ************** > Start the year off right. 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 12 23:13:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89137 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 07:13:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 07:13:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bullet.mail.re4.yahoo.com) (206.190.56.20) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 07:13:51 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n1.bullet.re4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 07:13:51 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.111.167] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 07:13:51 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp102.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 07:13:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 106102.64729.bm@omp102.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 79965 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2008 07:13:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gxCXex8VM1lbaB_Q0ynV3ALE_MkJWbNDM7ArwPb0PMgAuZmzv3Ml8wGoPk04bjiC0w-- X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:13:50 PST Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:13:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6021.84302.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <169821.77134.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.56.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=avsIELiu2iHTXPDEoLA93zRRcB7pX1hV91sV8IjKyOn2MLEjIbcP X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke George, Tascam makes some pro models. Go here: http://www.tascam.com/catalogue;40,19.html personally I like this model: http://www.tascam.com/details;8,19,58.html and yes this model has MDLP for long play and recording. -Kevin --- george russell wrote: > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My kinda people! > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? I thought > the MZ-RH1 was going to be the last Minidisc made. > Tell me some good news! > Sony should apply the HiMD technology to a larger > disc > and offer > 24-bit/96 kHz...I'd stop eating to save up for one! > Regards, > George > > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > Minidisc is still used and sold professionally. > It > > caught on quite well in europe and asia. In japan > > it's still quite popular with consumers. I still > > have > > 4 machines and they work great. One thing they > are > > very useful for is recording long talk shows. I > can > > set the machine for long record and get 4 hours on > > one > > disc. Thats great when you want to record Coast > to > > Coast AM with George Noory! > > > > > > --- "John P." wrote: > > > > > George said: "...Sony is involved? Maybe then > IBOC > > > will go the way of > > > the Betamax and the Minidisc! (No slight on > Sony, > > > just IBOC! lol.." > > > > > > Yes, but the Minidisc is a great invention, and > > > works wonderful in > > > doing what it needs to do without ruining > > everything > > > around it and is > > > totally compatible with analog! > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Yahoo! 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 12 23:17:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27500 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 07:17:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 07:17:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.182.182) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 07:17:04 -0000 X-Received: from [217.12.4.215] by n5.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 07:17:03 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by t2.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 07:17:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.134] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 07:17:03 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp107.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 07:17:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 402946.68538.bm@omp107.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 32474 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2008 07:17:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Kmhky6YVM1kf.P3A61orIA2W0VyLqBah7u7AmZTGTTXq4pUyRRuCjPp1n5jd.LaO2Nq07lGoLtZSOvOxVYT6gPufNR21UXJ8PyeKybnUkhEM X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:17:02 PST Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:17:02 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <512872.29542.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.182.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=l7OiIFlRtMxCMRYffTr0MkTNfdcvBNxxHQS4CxugJJrD3O32m-4L X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Ha true! I do love the format though just because of the simplicity and editing is a breeze! Most of all I can record up to 4 hours on a disc for talk shows. I still record on cassettes as well. I can load up two 90 min tapes in my dual TEAC which records on both sides and get 3 hours but the minidisc wins out for talk shows because I can get that 4 full hours. Actually the minidisc will record 5.3 hours total in the longest record mode but I only need 4 for Coast to Coast! -Kevin --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell wrote: > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My kinda > people! > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different models from 3 > different brands > on their web site for sale. > > Kevin > “You’re never beaten until you admit it.” - General > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! 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Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 12 23:20:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52077 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 07:20:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 07:20:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.94) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 07:20:58 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.28] by n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 07:20:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.146] by t1.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 07:20:58 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp204.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 07:20:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 217335.10713.bm@omp204.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 2605 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2008 07:20:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GZDFAlAVM1nm7plKdJuqbKKeMv.yMq89h8alpTC4jilPMbzKGTrU5SbSCZirSHawyK9GdFRUvoWuGrmyLW9kaQeDlmEtQ8B2HmY3nc9afcBcQ5HtxCeYnC4- X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:20:57 PST Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:20:57 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <007701c85583$2cd6a3c0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <333445.95036.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=OFMt5akXyZjv7d37a9ikeRIcv5oLxJ-nMtJM9lOzOFSTDWzDlJeI X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke So far Tascam still makes two pro models. Sony still sells the MDS-JE480 for $149 on their site. Now let me tell yall this one :o)! Around Christmas Sony put the MDS-JE480 on their b-stock site on sale for $25.99 and with free shipping and tax added it came out to around $26. I bought two of those units. They may say b-stock but they dammned well look and work brand new. I couldn't tell any difference at all. You can't beat that for $26 and the free shipping they had at Christmas. Be sure to look around as they still put some of those decks up for that price every now and then and have free shipping. This deck runs $149.99 on the main site and is still sold. Sony runs some real dirt cheap sales but you gotta check it daily. They get gone, sometimes they only had dirt cheap decks up for a few hours then they are gone so look out! -Kevin --- hank smith wrote: > will they stop making md decs? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Possum Hunter" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:44 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell wrote: > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My kinda > people! > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different models from 3 > different brands > on their web site for sale. > > Kevin > “You’re never beaten until you admit it.” - General > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 12 23:23:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47398 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 07:23:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 07:23:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.123) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 07:23:28 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.29] by n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 07:23:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.154] by t2.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 07:23:28 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp207.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 07:23:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 373240.49044.bm@omp207.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 65974 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2008 07:23:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Uwcx364VM1nqPf5bwRYnkZUvP4nrGu7V.6bVR_0HJGlEdSwJro0OQQjKjcjQ0DR2NZgz1BvASb8czhpHowow2ezbj8P8FtyjErkGRnZUBn9j X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:23:27 PST Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:23:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <205298.77633.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <461614.65779.qm@web23007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Flf8g5Ol5k_TP2vD0chmpF0GW3dmjv6ufJs7NJHXNL4Ps3H0yQKp X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke As I said check this: http://www.tascam.com/details;8,19,58.html and this: http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=11029300 So yes the MDS-JE480 is still very much sold and be sure to read my other post concerning the b-stock site. Sony's website is tricky to navigate but if you know how to get around it you'll find stuff. -Kevin --- george russell wrote: > Well, the JE-480 was Sony's last (non-Hi) MD deck, > and > the MZ-M200 aka MZ-RH10 was their last portable, and > they seem to have no plans to make anymore of > either, > nor have they announced any future models. Sony has > even dropped ATRAC on their Connect download > service, > bowing to MP3. Hope I'm wrong, but seems the > writing > is on the wall. > > As for the HBB and Tascam stuff, those models have > been out a while, > may be last of stock, too. Marantz made a great pro > portable, too, but have dropped it in favor of > hard-drive and flash memory based stuff. > > Sadly, even after Sony developed HiMD, they never > made > a deck for it. > Only one out is made by Onkyo. > > The station I hang out at occasionally still uses > MD, > as do I'm sure a lot of others, maybe their loyalty > will buy it some more time? Hope so! > > There is a great site for MD, www.minidisc.org > > They have specs, manual downloads, even an animation > of how the HiMD optics works...pretty cool stuff! > > Regards, > > George > > > > --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 7:25 PM, hank smith wrote: > > > > > will they stop making md decs? > > > > One of these days, I am sure they will, but I > think > > it will be a > > while. MDs are pretty popular in radio and in the > > consumer market in > > other countries. > > > > Kevin > > “You’re never beaten until you admit it.” - > General > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jan 12 23:50:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50265 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 07:50:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 07:50:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 07:50:07 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c82.21c58bcb (65097) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 02:49:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 02:49:54 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=fbPCDu7oCkackj9CoguU6RpRZ2io4H5AT5w7KVIcV-fE6ROlxWoHs4HCmFi5ar-V X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/12/08 11:57:43 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > George was once an anchor at WXYZ-TV 7 in Detroit, I > think. > Oops, time to go warm up the radio, that show starts > in a couple minutes! > I know at one time George worked in radio in Detroit. It don't remember the call, but it wasn't WJR. Warm up the radio? As in a t-u-u-u-u-be radio? Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sat Jan 12 23:59:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81470 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 07:59:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 07:59:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 07:59:36 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d5f.1d99000d (37103) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 02:59:32 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-db08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB081-90ef4789c4e21f8; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 02:59:31 -0500 Message-ID: <002f01c855ba$47d2e260$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:59:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=wdtOi0WnwHDVHE0dA9fBn7h5MbsWJrcdNS2PQFIGZvTIaxwE58tQ X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit do you listen to him on 550? thankks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 9:31 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? George Noory spend a stint here in St. Louis doing the graveyard shift at KTRS here in St. Louis. He had his own local show before he started substituting for Art Bell on Coast to Coast. George has kind of a unique radio style. He doesn't have the rancor of a Rush nor the funeral director tone of NPR. He's Easy Listening for Talk Radio. As for meeting George, we had a common interest in legitimate UFO research. Not the aluminum foil hat / black helicopter stuff. Yes, he is a nice guy. A great listener. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Jan 13 00:00:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37151 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 08:00:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 08:00:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 08:00:44 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c85.1f5b7361 (37095) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:00:37 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-db07.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB075-90e74789c523286; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:00:36 -0500 Message-ID: <004101c855ba$70776510$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <291332.43075.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:01:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=tRA8wgTgwdeBGVYmmxYJw_beRrL_ZOO_rXYca0BqWoOpBIfvtjCQ X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can some one record some samples of that? that must sound sweet. ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 9:39 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: New year with CQUAM special offer! Jerry wrote: "Yes... 3.710 MHz in AM stereo. Always. Jerry WA2FNQ" Jerry, could you have an AM stereo chat on the 160m band? If so, we could use the ASPiSYS AM Stereo "amateur radio version" transmitter! Now, there you would not have any FCC concerns whatsoever, assuming your license class allows for operation on the 160 meter band. 73's John __________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Jan 13 00:01:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3731 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 08:01:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 08:01:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 08:01:36 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d00.2206cd24 (37074) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:01:30 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-db05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB058-90d24789c5573bb; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:01:28 -0500 Message-ID: <004c01c855ba$90751790$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <205298.77633.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:01:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=2t5aCojj4NNKW_rMb8mgIT4mPI4gT6Qn7BHoGoyxkpjaLYXlpkxU X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what bitrate in mp3? and what about all the drm music I purchased? ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 9:54 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC Well, the JE-480 was Sony's last (non-Hi) MD deck, and the MZ-M200 aka MZ-RH10 was their last portable, and they seem to have no plans to make anymore of either, nor have they announced any future models. Sony has even dropped ATRAC on their Connect download service, bowing to MP3. Hope I'm wrong, but seems the writing is on the wall. As for the HBB and Tascam stuff, those models have been out a while, may be last of stock, too. Marantz made a great pro portable, too, but have dropped it in favor of hard-drive and flash memory based stuff. Sadly, even after Sony developed HiMD, they never made a deck for it. Only one out is made by Onkyo. The station I hang out at occasionally still uses MD, as do I'm sure a lot of others, maybe their loyalty will buy it some more time? Hope so! There is a great site for MD, www.minidisc.org They have specs, manual downloads, even an animation of how the HiMD optics works...pretty cool stuff! Regards, George --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 7:25 PM, hank smith wrote: > > > will they stop making md decs? > > One of these days, I am sure they will, but I think > it will be a > while. MDs are pretty popular in radio and in the > consumer market in > other countries. > > Kevin > "You're never beaten until you admit it." - General > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Jan 13 00:02:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81264 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 08:02:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 08:02:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 08:02:37 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c03.1ada4abb (37084) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:02:32 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-db06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB066-90dc4789c5953d; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:02:30 -0500 Message-ID: <005401c855ba$b735bf10$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <904269.28279.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:02:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=08bNKEQWk7G182dtNNAGXsKNNClZiQyOQMNOXaF72U6SVWBhJE6n X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit darn I missed the first 2 hours oh well crap. just as a side note I have the theme that he uses on vinyl really sounds nice to. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? Yes, I heard him not long ago, and it wasn't a tape. George was once an anchor at WXYZ-TV 7 in Detroit, I think. Oops, time to go warm up the radio, that show starts in a couple minutes! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/12/08 4:01:55 PM Central > Standard Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Sounds like good stuff for the Art Bell show! > > > Odd you should mention Art Bell. I was dialing > around the radio driving back > from Arkansas, and Art Bell himself was back on his > show. By the way, I > personally know George Nouri. > > Mike > > > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jan 13 00:04:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56719 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 08:04:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 08:04:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 08:04:51 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c47.29576428 (65097) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:04:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:04:46 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=TUq7tyk-AQzGWzbUwLJy1sJUq4mAv6mMCsZcL-dF9dZcPXbV8_KhKhqjZE3NGyPn X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/13/08 12:03:39 AM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > UFOs ARE real!!! Any forums for that? > There are forums but you have to have a note from your therapist that you are taking your meds to participate. Yes, there are REAL groups but they're kind of word-of-mouth to keep the kooks and frauds out. There are unidentified flying objects that are just that. Flying objects that haven't been identified. Attempting to identify these objects is what most legitimate groups try to do. Whatever happened at Roswell (which I have been to), the Government covered it up for some reason. I don't know what is was, but something happened that wasn't what the Government said. Have you heard of the Blue Room at Wright Patterson? Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Jan 13 00:06:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83555 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 08:06:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 08:06:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 08:06:01 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c2c.278d2add (37107) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:05:58 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-db08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB085-90f34789c66412; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:05:57 -0500 Message-ID: <007401c855bb$373d2ae0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <512872.29542.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:06:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=G0yCrLBJKLlhlNLUuy0wS98spe0Ni0eRdbTy1UtMteTNbgAGtqNZ X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what is the sampling rate on the 4 hour mode? can I get a sample of what that soujnds like? 320 kbps mp3 file that is high enuph that I won't loose any major transcoding. I know the longer you get with md the poorer the sound quality gets ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:17 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC Ha true! I do love the format though just because of the simplicity and editing is a breeze! Most of all I can record up to 4 hours on a disc for talk shows. I still record on cassettes as well. I can load up two 90 min tapes in my dual TEAC which records on both sides and get 3 hours but the minidisc wins out for talk shows because I can get that 4 full hours. Actually the minidisc will record 5.3 hours total in the longest record mode but I only need 4 for Coast to Coast! -Kevin --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell wrote: > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My kinda > people! > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different models from 3 > different brands > on their web site for sale. > > Kevin > "You're never beaten until you admit it." - General > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Jan 13 00:07:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24030 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 08:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 08:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 08:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c28.27f087e0 (37086) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:07:13 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-db06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB068-90de4789c6af367; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:07:12 -0500 Message-ID: <007c01c855bb$656ebaa0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <333445.95036.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:07:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=nuf8HKjH0Se3VHetXPKF4QLHfeIkDZLS0nZ3tX1p50Zu0Y6jXm-6 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what is there b-stock site u rl? damn thats cheap. is therre any cheaper decks then 149? just curious. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:20 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC So far Tascam still makes two pro models. Sony still sells the MDS-JE480 for $149 on their site. Now let me tell yall this one :o)! Around Christmas Sony put the MDS-JE480 on their b-stock site on sale for $25.99 and with free shipping and tax added it came out to around $26. I bought two of those units. They may say b-stock but they dammned well look and work brand new. I couldn't tell any difference at all. You can't beat that for $26 and the free shipping they had at Christmas. Be sure to look around as they still put some of those decks up for that price every now and then and have free shipping. This deck runs $149.99 on the main site and is still sold. Sony runs some real dirt cheap sales but you gotta check it daily. They get gone, sometimes they only had dirt cheap decks up for a few hours then they are gone so look out! -Kevin --- hank smith wrote: > will they stop making md decs? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Possum Hunter" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:44 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell wrote: > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My kinda > people! > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different models from 3 > different brands > on their web site for sale. > > Kevin > "You're never beaten until you admit it." - General > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jan 13 00:25:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1217 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 08:25:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 08:25:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 08:25:11 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cb8.22f72863 (65097) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:25:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:25:08 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=wmm1GArnR5b8Ha24UU9bvuPBf9Hp9qgZDf6GU0OvW55Vj4oTdDPaqjbBP1NwtE1F X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/13/08 2:00:01 AM Central Standard Time, ke7ief@aol.com writes: > do you listen to him on 550? > KTRS was purchased by the St. Louis Baseball Cardinals several years ago when they ended their 60 year relationship with clear channel KMOX. I don't listen much to them anymore as I think they're now an all-sports station. Yes, I used to listen to George on 550 KTRS when he had his local show and when it took over for Art Bell on Coast to Coast. I think KTRS dropped Coast to Coast. However, when George is on in the evening, there are plenty of clear channel stations that carry him. Because of its low position on the dial, KTRS with 5 kW has a fairly wide contour during the day. As much as 50kW KMOX. The geniuses who now own the Cardinals apparently didn't understand about groundwave and skywave. Yes, KTRS is as strong as KMOX during the day, but at night, when alot of baseball games are played, KMOX stops KTRS a mudhole. By the way, KTRS which used to be KUSA, had on-demand AM Stereo. When they played C&W, it was fulltime stereo. Then when it adopted a talk format (Talk Radio St. Louis), it ran stereo for commericials and music, but mono for the talk in between to squeeze the last percent of modulation out. Crazy. They finally switch off the AM Stereo for good. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jan 13 08:52:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72882 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 16:52:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 16:52:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 16:52:53 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.22] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080113105240000106400003> for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:52:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008701c85605$4df6bc20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <430143.29538.qm@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:52:40 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=emELm0aLNF9ViwRkeQMI8Pql60lxUSuroqDDXXS6b1kJHX1ONpUE X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I service an old radio with an eye tube I put a resistor in series with the target- usually not enough to affect the shadow angle, but enough to cut the target current. 33K is usually the value I use and the eye dims only slightly. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com But it does seem that lower target current stretches the life out...I sure hope so, 'cause EM34s are gettin' mighty pricey! --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jan 13 08:55:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13480 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 16:55:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 16:55:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 16:55:10 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.22] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080113105436000425100003> for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:54:36 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009701c85605$9365b2c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:54:36 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=z7HS59nGdky37DZ4pX7LgxMbKJvBlN4rn4N4etMeB2W1mkQjD9W- X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My friend William Walker found a way around that. He puts a pipe over the whip and that broadbands it just enough. The pipe needs to be insulated from the case. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: > the hamiltons toroid output circuit and 3 meter whip is too narrow in > bandwidth. there is not enough to pass the QuAM. > The problems isn't the toroid, it's the 3 meter whip. Even at extended broadcast band frequencies, a 3 meter whip has an astronomical Q. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jan 13 09:03:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7340 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 17:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 17:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 17:03:38 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.22] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080113110324001846300003> for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:03:24 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00a101c85606$cdd8f740$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:03:24 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=idjYJLDvT9EawQcy21SiTkjTwU2Wqy3_8_mnEy1xqYb2G4VuwMn1 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We've got a testing lab right here in the Minneapolis/St.Paul area- Owl Engineering. The guy who runs it is a former FCC engineer so he knows his stuff. Mike- is there any reason you're insisting on a 50 ohm arrangment? Since the resistance of a short whip is already low, why not start there instead? IIRC the Gates series of broadcast transmitters have a mere 5 ohms Z on each RF board that has to be transformed up to 50 to work with standard coax but if you start low and stay low you'll have less loss through any coupling network. I really like your idea of a super efficient output stage for maximum signal. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I agree the Part 15 rules are somewhat confusing and subject to interpretation. I've been toying with the idea building a marketable AM Stereo transmitter, so that is why I was familar with the regulations. The certification process seems very costly and unless one sold a good number of units at a hefty price, it would not be profitable. So I decided to just make it an engineering exercise. LBP, a company I knew from my college days four decades ago, made a certified unit. It has an insulated stud on the top that a Radio Shack 96 in. steel whip screwed into. The reason for certifying a unit with a particular antenna attached is that the power input and output are highly dependent on the antenna itself. My preference from an engineering perspective would be to certified the transmitter has a 50 ohm output impedance and into a 50 ohm load. The will give the maximum possible power transfer. There is nothing the user could attach to it to get any more. Testing with an antenna is messy because a 3-meter length of wire is anything but 50 ohms. It has a very high impedance which is almost entirely reactive. It would take several thousand volts of RF to deliver 100mW of real power into a 3-meter monopole and that assumes a infinite lossless ground. Even tuning out the reactance, the residue real component is almost entirely the ground resistance. Testing with 50 ohms or some specified test load would seem to make more sense. Otherwise, you essentially need an antenna test range with a low loss ground system. I am looking at a DSP approach with a Direct PWM or Chireix output stage. That will deliver an output efficiency of around 90% as opposed to 35% for a linear amplifier stage. The challenge is finding a fast enough DSP engine to get enough effective resolution to keep the noise floor low. Are you looking for a particular U.S lab to do the certification? --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jan 13 09:05:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93693 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 17:05:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 17:05:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 17:05:36 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.22] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080113110510002156800003> for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:05:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00a701c85607$0cd67440$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <6021.84302.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <007701c85583$2cd6a3c0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> <81C46828-1D69-4468-9138-0EB22A578A31@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:05:10 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=xg4L5uZdVwzyMR76bBEWzECPPsR2Byx-63E_oPqykwu9cIw9loTS X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Apparently old George never met "Baghdad Bob"... :^D Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" “You’re never beaten until you admit it.” - General George S. Patton Jr. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jan 13 09:13:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40196 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 17:13:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 17:13:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 17:13:22 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.22] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080113111237000169100003> for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:12:37 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00bb01c85608$17855400$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:12:37 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=MIFGsbmHVoVWrXYTYGoJA7gr_VpV9aQIgL8Ugq93iZmsKaKKbSxA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I heard the original Alfredo was more like 20mW, but when you're dealing with power that low I guess the difference isn't that much. The Hamilton uses a very efficient, looks to be class-E, output. Never measured it but I'd be surprised if it didn't put out nearly 90mW. The kit you've heard about is the SSTran and a LOT of antique radio buffs own them for playing old radio shows and music through their restored sets. Depending upon setup, I've heard of people getting almost as much range with an SSTran as with a Hamilton. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Sotiris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Not sure how much power was the original Alfredo lite kit available from Chris, but from what I've read previously those wasn't more than 10mW RF! At a discussion here lately, someone said that the newer units are now upgraded 100mW RF. Maybe someone who has one older unit could give more info about it... Have anybody measured the RF output power of a Hamilton? I've heard many things about Hamilton and another one kit that is PLL. The later one is surely not more powerfull however! --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 09:24:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27128 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 17:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 17:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.174) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 17:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 17:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 17:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 17:24:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:24:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00a101c85606$cdd8f740$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.203.50.84 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=s98E75EzUMmVKqHo24tm5dJxKG5u2RcyMijpTZovH7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 I would very interested for getting his contact information, to find=20 out exactly what he will need to proceed for a certification of our=20 unit! Maybe sent it to me by PM?=20 We have make some prototypes here (when we were working on the ASMAX=20 design phase) and on of it was with a high level modulation scheme on=20 an MOSFET final stage with an efficiency of ~80%. The problem was=20 that with the high level modulator circuit and RF final stage needed=20 board space made the unit larger than our target dimensions!!! We=20 really wanted to keep it small enough to be able to be used even=20 below the dashboard of a car!=20 Probably that might not be our best choice for more power of the=20 unit, but is a trade off world, after all!=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 =20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > We've got a testing lab right here in the Minneapolis/St.Paul area-=20 Owl Engineering. The guy who runs it is a former FCC engineer so he=20 knows his stuff. >=20 > Mike- is there any reason you're insisting on a 50 ohm arrangment?=20=20 Since the resistance of a short whip is already low, why not start=20 there instead? IIRC the Gates series of broadcast transmitters have=20 a mere 5 ohms Z on each RF board that has to be transformed up to 50=20 to work with standard coax but if you start low and stay low you'll=20 have less loss through any coupling network. I really like your idea=20 of a super efficient output stage for maximum signal. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: mjgrant@...=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 >=20 > I agree the Part 15 rules are somewhat confusing and subject to=20 > interpretation. I've been toying with the idea building a=20 marketable AM Stereo=20 > transmitter, so that is why I was familar with the regulations.=20=20 The certification=20 > process seems very costly and unless one sold a good number of=20 units at a hefty=20 > price, it would not be profitable. So I decided to just make it=20 an engineering=20 > exercise. >=20 > LBP, a company I knew from my college days four decades ago, made=20 a certified=20 > unit. It has an insulated stud on the top that a Radio Shack 96=20 in. steel=20 > whip screwed into. >=20 > The reason for certifying a unit with a particular antenna=20 attached is that=20 > the power input and output are highly dependent on the antenna=20 itself. My=20 > preference from an engineering perspective would be to certified=20 the transmitter=20 > has a 50 ohm output impedance and into a 50 ohm load. The will=20 give the=20 > maximum possible power transfer. There is nothing the user could=20 attach to it to=20 > get any more. >=20 > Testing with an antenna is messy because a 3-meter length of wire=20 is anything=20 > but 50 ohms. It has a very high impedance which is almost=20 entirely reactive.=20 > It would take several thousand volts of RF to deliver 100mW of=20 real power=20 > into a 3-meter monopole and that assumes a infinite lossless=20 ground. Even=20 > tuning out the reactance, the residue real component is almost=20 entirely the ground=20 > resistance. Testing with 50 ohms or some specified test load=20 would seem to=20 > make more sense. Otherwise, you essentially need an antenna test=20 range with a=20 > low loss ground system. >=20 > I am looking at a DSP approach with a Direct PWM or Chireix=20 output stage.=20=20 > That will deliver an output efficiency of around 90% as opposed=20 to 35% for a=20 > linear amplifier stage. The challenge is finding a fast enough=20 DSP engine to get=20 > enough effective resolution to keep the noise floor low. >=20 > Are you looking for a particular U.S lab to do the certification? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Jan 13 09:48:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75376 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 17:48:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 17:48:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.138) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 17:48:48 -0000 X-Received: from dialup-4.226.27.21.dial1.dallas1.level3.net ([4.226.27.21]) by emory.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1JE6wu-0000yY-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:48:45 -0500 Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00a701c85607$0cd67440$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:48:42 -0600 References: <6021.84302.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <007701c85583$2cd6a3c0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> <81C46828-1D69-4468-9138-0EB22A578A31@gmail.com> <00a701c85607$0cd67440$d503fea9@stodd> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=Zx6oBNibsU_-9wyUQuvLoYNcHRyEcnV476HKaw02DxhmZqTDUZpGOuf28wjP5A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jan 13, 2008, at 11:05 AM, wrote: > Apparently old George never met "Baghdad Bob"... :^D I do miss "Baghdad Bob". he made the news entertaining to watch. LOL Possum =93You=92re never beaten until you admit it.=94 - General George S. Patton = Jr. From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Jan 13 13:42:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36716 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 21:42:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 21:42:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 21:42:42 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bc3.1f2f2474 (34969) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:42:10 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA076-8899478a85b0382; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:42:09 -0500 Message-ID: <004b01c8562d$47e869f0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <00bb01c85608$17855400$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:43:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=Yzur_Fjn4P4qk2LYNF4JEtxd0shyf1YS94IQquiNaHl3KoXHOJ6y X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I get 1.1 miles out of my sstran that is the best little transmitter I have seen. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:12 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! I heard the original Alfredo was more like 20mW, but when you're dealing with power that low I guess the difference isn't that much. The Hamilton uses a very efficient, looks to be class-E, output. Never measured it but I'd be surprised if it didn't put out nearly 90mW. The kit you've heard about is the SSTran and a LOT of antique radio buffs own them for playing old radio shows and music through their restored sets. Depending upon setup, I've heard of people getting almost as much range with an SSTran as with a Hamilton. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Sotiris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Not sure how much power was the original Alfredo lite kit available from Chris, but from what I've read previously those wasn't more than 10mW RF! At a discussion here lately, someone said that the newer units are now upgraded 100mW RF. Maybe someone who has one older unit could give more info about it... Have anybody measured the RF output power of a Hamilton? I've heard many things about Hamilton and another one kit that is PLL. The later one is surely not more powerfull however! --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jan 13 14:08:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44786 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 22:08:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 22:08:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 22:08:33 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c8f.1f583455 (41811) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:08:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:08:03 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=xknzmSgS37tpPm31f_oUo1sujG9trSZeZr80NPpEi0qPFxkhuwIUlO3F56ZB0Aee X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/13/08 10:55:29 AM Central Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > My friend William Walker found a way around that. He puts a pipe over the > whip and that broadbands it just enough. The pipe needs to be insulated from > the case. > > That "detuning" technique is called a caged monopole which is what I have been working on. Some regular extended AM broadcast band stations have successfully used it. Fold wires are brought down from the top around the tower and joined at a shirt around the base, sometimes with a capacitor to ground. By lowering the reactance and raising the radiation resistance, the effective Q is lowered. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jan 13 14:19:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53199 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 22:19:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 22:19:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 22:19:10 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cad.2518faf0 (41811) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:19:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:19:00 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=AKdsTdZ3a9pT63s6rjy_CEgXBHVcoij0FgXa4wM48vSqaqio6rkYxLEw34aaDDEP X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Class E, either as Direct PWM or Chireax, is the way to go. There are some very good fast IC amplifiers that can do an excellent job of linearly amplifying a low level generated AMS signal. The problem is efficiency. These amplifiers typically draw large idle currents and it is not possible to meter just the current in the output amplifier. Also, these amplifiers have very low output impedances, so a build-out resistor is needed which has an inherent 50% penalty in terms of power. The result is very low output power. With antenna efficiencies well below 1%, the radiated power is only a few microwatts at best. With conventional AM, generating the DPWM or Chireax drive is relatively easy. AMS is another matter. Practically, it takes a DSP engine. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jan 13 14:58:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34418 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 22:58:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 22:58:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 22:58:23 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c0a.285c216b (41811) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:57:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:57:45 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=3ZbeTH1SlB68Lumzc3yeL96OChgTn9EKkmCirdv8i3ln5vRxkKob6OblKRi-fYQT X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/13/08 11:27:32 AM Central Standard Time, pdmtr@yahoo.com writes: > We have make some prototypes here (when we were working on the ASMAX > design phase) and on of it was with a high level modulation scheme on > an MOSFET final stage with an efficiency of ~80%. The problem was > that with the high level modulator circuit and RF final stage needed > board space made the unit larger than our target dimensions!!! We > really wanted to keep it small enough to be able to be used even > below the dashboard of a car! > Probably that might not be our best choice for more power of the > unit, but is a trade off world, after all! > I got 90% efficiency with a 100 mW nominal DC input modulated to 135% (1W PEP) using a single TI 74AC16244 with just a 6 volt supply into 50 ohms. The output was Class E which has no modulator. The IC is a 48SSOP package which is very compact. No heatsink required. Drive requirements was negligible. The output stage used a Chireax modulation scheme with my loss-less differential combiner. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jan 13 15:01:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52619 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 23:01:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2008 23:01:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 23:01:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bb8.1ce8d096 (41811) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:01:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:01:27 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Ks8YuO9_TuDpeix6GTrBinAUuugNIqvVU0jX31yrYUrpj7V1X1B2i8Bst4R8BQCO X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/13/08 11:49:01 AM Central Standard Time, thepossumhunter@gmail.com writes: > I do miss "Baghdad Bob". he made the news entertaining to watch. LOL > I heard Randi Rhodes say he's now crossdressing using the name Dana Perino. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Jan 13 16:10:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3526 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 00:10:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 00:10:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.91) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 00:10:48 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.29] by n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 00:10:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.134] by t2.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 00:10:48 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp107.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 00:10:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 397844.23314.bm@omp107.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 89275 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 00:10:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: a648faYVM1l8V5HXGh4o5Cf0yH2mfBMZJ114DYSlQkJ2tlDh77LJZpYqguAor6WHJ5zW9ZWbgEP_o0Qb_DDXWl_L3lPLn3Qpm7J06_raSQls X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:10:47 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:10:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <007401c855bb$373d2ae0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <447844.87802.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Tm2ezsj4otkfXv3xgdGMY-cECb3OR6xQfJv5RaX1PMnXKZNE0Z8Z X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke As I said I use the longest for talk radio which is very sufficient for this purpose. The regular stereo mode is of course the best but the second mode isn't bad either. The longest mode is the least fidelity but is fine for my uses. They have 4 modes. Stereo, LP2, LP4, and Mono. LP4 being of course the longest with nearly 5 hours worth recording. Now I have a friend who put tons of MP3's on minidiscs using the 5 hour mode and it was fine for background music and didn't sound bad. The fact is this. Anytime you increase recording time it will be at a cost. Same with analog tape, slower speed, lower fidelity. Same with MP3, lower bitrate, lower quality. Even at slowest speed though I believe the Minidisc has fidelity as good as or better than AM stereo, mostly better i'd say but thats always a matter of opinion! -Kevin --- hank smith wrote: > what is the sampling rate on the 4 hour mode? > can I get a sample of what that soujnds like? > 320 kbps mp3 file > that is high enuph that I won't loose any major > transcoding. > I know the longer you get with md the poorer the > sound quality gets > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clemsonbloke > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:17 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > Ha true! I do love the format though just because > of > the simplicity and editing is a breeze! Most of > all I > can record up to 4 hours on a disc for talk shows. > I > still record on cassettes as well. I can load up > two > 90 min tapes in my dual TEAC which records on both > sides and get 3 hours but the minidisc wins out > for > talk shows because I can get that 4 full hours. > Actually the minidisc will record 5.3 hours total > in > the longest record mode but I only need 4 for > Coast to > Coast! > > -Kevin > > --- Possum Hunter > wrote: > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell > wrote: > > > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My kinda > > people! > > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different models > from 3 > > different brands > > on their web site for sale. > > > > Kevin > > "You're never beaten until you admit it." - > General > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Jan 13 16:15:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16310 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 00:15:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 00:15:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.94) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 00:15:37 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 00:15:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.135] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 00:15:36 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp108.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 00:15:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 824966.25578.bm@omp108.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 71474 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 00:15:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: h4QUiTQVM1lAKTVyYlosKvJJ0BmfRFboHiJZ_INQs_xtd8yKJVxFslucWn6aRdvtHg-- X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:15:35 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:15:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <007c01c855bb$656ebaa0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <825805.70700.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=7qchmVxycyoPyHdfx72zRQvpeL_uRvza2FR65E-GjyPlGyYrJ-io X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke You have to at least make it here: http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=16190&SR=nav:electronics:tv_hm_ent:ht_systems:shop_compare:ss&ref=http%3A//www.sony.com/index.php Then you just hover your mouse over Computers, home entertainment, whatever and watch the menu popup. Under whatever section you are wanting to buy from select Sony Outlet and Refurbished Products. Another site will come up and you can further refine your selection. As I said there arent currently any Minidisc Units on sale on the site other than the regular stock site for $149. You have to be a sleuth and keep track of the site and check it daily. As I said sometimes things are there for a couple hours and then gone. People snatch them up fast. I saw a CD recorder of theirs on there for $120 one day and they are regular $300. The actual URL for the b-stock home audio components is here: http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SearchCatalog?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=6148914691233367670&searchType=outlet¤tPath=All+Products%2F%2F%2F%2FTV+%26+Home+Entertainment%2F%2F%2F%2FSony+Outlet+%26amp%3B+Refurbished+Products%2F%2F%2F%2FAudio+Components%2F%2F%2F%2FUserSearch%3DInventory+%3E+0+and+Price+Ss+%3E+0 Good Luck with it! I love my two units I bought and I couldn't tell any difference whatsoever. -Kevin --- hank smith wrote: > what is there b-stock site u rl? > damn thats cheap. > is therre any cheaper decks then 149? just curious. > Hank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clemsonbloke > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:20 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > So far Tascam still makes two pro models. Sony > still > sells the MDS-JE480 for $149 on their site. Now > let > me tell yall this one :o)! Around Christmas Sony > put > the MDS-JE480 on their b-stock site on sale for > $25.99 > and with free shipping and tax added it came out > to > around $26. I bought two of those units. They may > say b-stock but they dammned well look and work > brand > new. I couldn't tell any difference at all. You > can't beat that for $26 and the free shipping they > had > at Christmas. Be sure to look around as they still > put some of those decks up for that price every > now > and then and have free shipping. This deck runs > $149.99 on the main site and is still sold. Sony > runs > some real dirt cheap sales but you gotta check it > daily. They get gone, sometimes they only had dirt > cheap decks up for a few hours then they are gone > so > look out! > > -Kevin > > --- hank smith wrote: > > > will they stop making md decs? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Possum Hunter" > > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:44 PM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell > wrote: > > > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My kinda > > people! > > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different models > from 3 > > different brands > > on their web site for sale. > > > > Kevin > > "You're never beaten until you admit it." - > General > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 16:18:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87629 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 00:18:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 00:18:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 00:18:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26353 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 00:18:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iLLkGm4VM1mEsOHE7hi3e9e6z70mxL5PQP_m_QpFshD7oalexCv3Z6GylAInva8cWzzVqA7avw-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:18:03 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:18:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <447844.87802.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <451249.25308.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: MD LP4 speed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=zavwN-xe0KuE9ut5uuUYTNoBX68ATrsaX4vNg9aQ-Hw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW LP4 speed sounds amazingly good when you carefully watch levels and don't get too high. I have an 80 minute MD recorded in LP4 speed and there's 4 minutes of time left.... I use it to play stuff on my AM stereo transmitter............ Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Jan 13 16:20:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33618 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 00:20:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 00:20:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.93) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 00:20:41 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 00:20:40 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.111.168] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 00:20:40 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp103.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 00:20:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 595892.78201.bm@omp103.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 59847 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 00:20:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TzrLYYoVM1kmA7ZCmjk8SXmbfrOtxCFLvQvJR_IWTrSBHiQg1DDlXTfV.gpGdvULGL0ET5YqdRVtAHFUeG8tg7OcxG3jV8LFHDvt1kTr28S26ltBxEInN6k- X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:20:39 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:20:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <451249.25308.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <603472.56108.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} MD LP4 speed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=XklzUhNdRBkMaZXkgYHFmN1dmhIokyiffo6Cxm71k9SCQXL0nv_5 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I have to agree 100% with Powell. I didn't want to overstate it's capabilities in my earlier post but i've recorded about 5 hours worth of beautiful music in that mode and it's fine. Yes make sure levels are correct. I am in 100% agreement here. -Kevin --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > LP4 speed sounds amazingly good when you carefully > watch levels and don't get too high. I have an 80 > minute MD recorded in LP4 speed and there's 4 > minutes > of time left.... I use it to play stuff on my AM > stereo transmitter............ > > > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 17:12:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21463 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 01:12:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 01:12:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.159) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 01:12:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 39662 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 01:11:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kn7bEyAVM1nH..DQDdn4WHkqhJVvjzii2cvmS6vhZef8oczL2XcFXGPCUbqEd0a9vwQaMqY.kw-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:11:59 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:11:59 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <603472.56108.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <743793.39050.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} MD LP4 speed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=WbK6hcRGssxc8MFkqzDXm_xegJAvwWSJjg6WpJg1b30 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- clemsonbloke wrote: > I have to agree 100% with Powell. I didn't want to > overstate it's capabilities in my earlier post but > i've recorded about 5 hours worth of beautiful music > in that mode and it's fine. Yes make sure levels > are correct. I am in 100% agreement here. I once recorded my funeral announcements for Sunday morning in the production room. The levels were set VERY wrong on the MD recorder. I ran correct levels on the board but they were super duper way too hot on the MD. I "overclocked" severely. It sounded like a late 1950's transistor radio with a weak battery amplified and played down a long tunnel with a creek running through it. I am now always VERY careful about levels. Digital devices don't stand for any leeway in this respect. BTW, the LP4 disc has 50's oldies on it. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Jan 13 19:09:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41414 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 03:09:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 03:09:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.91) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 03:09:39 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 03:09:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.153] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 03:09:39 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp206.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 03:09:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 517365.36513.bm@omp206.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 36201 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 03:09:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IbxUPfsVM1kOfrHAMRkmddMhnxUClv2wNyjrgsx0poj1o4TJIjzHQSmxGGPVd7pRXTyob2FZvEQ8zHj5Z66ezS8II_D8WGkKmiSwsWM2U0x0lCE1XuK1tsI- X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:09:38 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:09:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <743793.39050.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <626629.35809.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} MD LP4 speed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=XWj9YjKLvRyMUmf0sCPlw3EJr4KIcdJqgs_KewnrYytoEJcCBuNn X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Hahah Powell you said it there buddy! Yeah if those levels are hot it'll get that 50's crud sound! Those MD's are great though, easy to edit and virtually indestructable with general care. I love mine! -Kevin PS - Yeah I make a lot of 60's mixes myself. I tune in on the net when I can to WKDK. Love those oldies! --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > I have to agree 100% with Powell. I didn't want > to > > overstate it's capabilities in my earlier post but > > i've recorded about 5 hours worth of beautiful > music > > in that mode and it's fine. Yes make sure levels > > are correct. I am in 100% agreement here. > > > I once recorded my funeral announcements for Sunday > morning in the production room. The levels were set > VERY wrong on the MD recorder. I ran correct levels > on > the board but they were super duper way too hot on > the > MD. I "overclocked" severely. It sounded like a late > 1950's transistor radio with a weak battery > amplified > and played down a long tunnel with a creek running > through it. I am now always VERY careful about > levels. > Digital devices don't stand for any leeway in this > respect. > > BTW, the LP4 disc has 50's oldies on it. > > > > Powell > > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 19:29:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94737 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 03:29:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 03:29:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 03:29:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 91697 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 03:29:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HYE51CMVM1m9Mqc82f3sE0SM1cyoC8nlbw8po_WkeYf0IcxkwqjiXBKxeqbyg01q1ZLsw52xKA-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.111] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:29:10 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:29:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <626629.35809.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <422827.90516.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} MD LP4 speed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=gtMsUmXEtUuhXdjTrOZXKCIdf50BiC50FRZjKx5FPJ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Hahah Powell you said it there buddy! Yeah if those > levels are hot it'll get that 50's crud sound! > Those > MD's are great though, easy to edit and virtually > indestructable with general care. I love mine! > > -Kevin > > PS - Yeah I make a lot of 60's mixes myself. I tune > in on the net when I can to WKDK. Love those > oldies! I am responsible for overnites 8 PM until 6 AM Sunday through Thursday nights, and weekdays 1:35 PM until 6 Monday - Friday....except till 5 PM fridays. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 20:04:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69303 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 04:04:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 04:04:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.203) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 04:04:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28758 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 04:04:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5ovTZEMVM1kms9MDQdNoMWy0.HHlE4EfEapVUTlGp4p6epnDZL4CqAZBGtQAgcShXuaX2p_G7dkx5698ywRMI9NWojp7JDrAUwjQtVBukZsZN518YiQ- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:04:21 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:04:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <541324.24260.qm@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Dj3m-LP3BDhsxFx-dX9h7pSWHcsih08wvvAt5qH-I0p-kw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 You betcha! A bunch of little glass thingies that all start with the letter 'E'...ye ancient Grundig! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/12/08 11:57:43 PM Central > Standard Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > George was once an anchor at WXYZ-TV 7 in Detroit, > I > > think. > > Oops, time to go warm up the radio, that show > starts > > in a couple minutes! > > > > I know at one time George worked in radio in > Detroit. It don't remember the > call, but it wasn't WJR. > > Warm up the radio? As in a t-u-u-u-u-be radio? > > Mike > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 20:08:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66544 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 04:08:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 04:08:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 04:08:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98084 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 04:08:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: N1uipeQVM1nlggLIujN3rfhJaYZGjE1y9Q859WKFSiGpAsxRzyD7S.2XBLlUdNpEV9IDtesTF3JVLbCRDc6NqhnFsgEBAq_YfIVZFvp_dBIuPoN3AJd89dWn4gn3Aw-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:08:52 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:08:52 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <356342.96960.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=KnfnWFXymo3twZ1D3InyhOvp-F3A-4C-prhybRKGk4K80A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Anybody got the link for that vacuum tube maker?...I accidentally deleted it! Thanx, George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/12/08 11:57:43 PM Central > Standard Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > George was once an anchor at WXYZ-TV 7 in Detroit, > I > > think. > > Oops, time to go warm up the radio, that show > starts > > in a couple minutes! > > > > I know at one time George worked in radio in > Detroit. It don't remember the > call, but it wasn't WJR. > > Warm up the radio? As in a t-u-u-u-u-be radio? > > Mike > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 20:11:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58871 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 04:11:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 04:11:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 04:11:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 04:11:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 04:11:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:11:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.77 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=QBXs3cLQAG37rUoedAPJq_aXf1RtX7lHM2vTEKAJwLWMwPb6Lw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 1/13/08 10:55:29 AM Central Standard Time,=20 > scottn0bst@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > My friend William Walker found a way around that. He puts a pipe=20 over the=20 > > whip and that broadbands it just enough. The pipe needs to be=20 insulated from=20 > > the case. > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > That "detuning" technique is called a caged monopole which is what=20 I have=20 > been working on. Some regular extended AM broadcast band stations=20 have=20 > successfully used it. Fold wires are brought down from the top=20 around the tower and=20 > joined at a shirt around the base, sometimes with a capacitor to=20 ground. >=20 > By lowering the reactance and raising the radiation resistance,=20 the effective=20 > Q is lowered. >=20 > Mike >=20 Radio Hams have been done it for years to get more reception signal=20 in some HF bands (vertical 5/8 aerials to 25, 27 and 30 MHz).=20 However, it causes a lot of background noise into near VHF TV sets=20 when they transmit SSB. So, use it in the MW band could cause interference in some other=20 bands and/or adjacent channels. Maybe, it's the main reason to want a very narrow "Q" to the=20 standard AM service: the minimal adjacent channels interference,=20 BUT... it's a a very "bad sound" solution. AM Stereo needs, at least, 20 kHz total channel bandwidth (10 kHz=20 above the carrier and 10 kHz below it). The ideal antenna "Q" would=20 be 30 kHz (to give an extra adjacent channel spacing), but I'm not=20 sure if we could build something like that (thinking in a vertical=20 system). A simple horizontal dipole could do it so good, but... it's=20 illegal and impractical. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Jan 13 20:20:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36334 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 04:20:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 04:20:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.94) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 04:20:20 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 04:20:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.142] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 04:20:19 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 04:20:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 821344.73249.bm@omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 61980 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 04:20:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vK8MqAsVM1nbbj4eSoQMONqTfvZJGL.HbNpTq24F_gzsAbP8L0LYfJr8xeaT8_YAG9pvcf78BtySjOEmKgNBqYkHsX7HPqAUu1t9Eh7gs8dH X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:20:18 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:20:18 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <422827.90516.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <794856.61175.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} MD LP4 speed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=rdWllpqC4ZGC566pGHNY78M6QkrReY6uXPfy3Q4IGHbci5qgGrVD X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I'll be sure to tune in! -Kevin --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > Hahah Powell you said it there buddy! Yeah if > those > > levels are hot it'll get that 50's crud sound! > > Those > > MD's are great though, easy to edit and virtually > > indestructable with general care. I love mine! > > > > -Kevin > > > > PS - Yeah I make a lot of 60's mixes myself. I > tune > > in on the net when I can to WKDK. Love those > > oldies! > > > I am responsible for overnites 8 PM until 6 AM > Sunday > through Thursday nights, and weekdays 1:35 PM until > 6 > Monday - Friday....except till 5 PM fridays. > > Powell > > > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 20:33:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79790 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 04:33:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 04:33:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.203) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 04:33:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 48740 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 04:33:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: X1jxL7QVM1ntEGpsbwB33JUSvBWUGNblvbMk6FvKCeNGe7JfAL5CPY7pVhLqm2q0Fm5KJLQx6g_RjmuRh6appRmQKfRHG95qRW_Tfwrp_s2X3FJ4YQc- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:33:21 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:33:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <169821.77134.qm@web23002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <214230.47624.qm@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=WFABCsJ2xuqVitalwmAp5FQjvcjgVLBcaxolJAIGQ4TRPw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Cool! Glad somebody still makes them. I wish they would do more with HiMD, I like the option of un-compressed PCM. (not that ATRAC sounds bad, at 64 kb/sec it sounds better than MP3 at 128) George --- clemsonbloke wrote: > George, > > Tascam makes some pro models. Go here: > > http://www.tascam.com/catalogue;40,19.html > > personally I like this model: > > http://www.tascam.com/details;8,19,58.html > > > and yes this model has MDLP for long play and > recording. > > -Kevin > > > > > --- george russell wrote: > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My kinda > people! > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? I > thought > > the MZ-RH1 was going to be the last Minidisc made. > > > Tell me some good news! > > Sony should apply the HiMD technology to a larger > > disc > > and offer > > 24-bit/96 kHz...I'd stop eating to save up for > one! > > Regards, > > George > > > > > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > > > Minidisc is still used and sold professionally. > > It > > > caught on quite well in europe and asia. In > japan > > > it's still quite popular with consumers. I > still > > > have > > > 4 machines and they work great. One thing they > > are > > > very useful for is recording long talk shows. I > > can > > > set the machine for long record and get 4 hours > on > > > one > > > disc. Thats great when you want to record Coast > > to > > > Coast AM with George Noory! > > > > > > > > > --- "John P." wrote: > > > > > > > George said: "...Sony is involved? Maybe then > > IBOC > > > > will go the way of > > > > the Betamax and the Minidisc! (No slight on > > Sony, > > > > just IBOC! lol.." > > > > > > > > Yes, but the Minidisc is a great invention, > and > > > > works wonderful in > > > > doing what it needs to do without ruining > > > everything > > > > around it and is > > > > totally compatible with analog! > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > > > > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > Find them fast with Yahoo! 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Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 20:37:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1316 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 04:37:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 04:37:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 04:37:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 75457 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 04:37:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gsZ7CW0VM1mdNFFiTz72W59qbbABXUtJrDqVGhcdmd_g09K9gzdk2vLcPcPQ3stFDcPcNhizwje_hx7a2Ya3B6mcHPTlT2eT0WVyDbn1s3ySIQXrAsooZhU8ru1haA-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:37:38 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:37:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <512872.29542.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <642220.72991.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=EAohWsGblvC-bwUmkQhYuPBWEkRKUfYMNAjG2eSR6a-D5g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I'm trying to figure a way to remote-start my HiMD to do that...with one 1 gig disc, I could get 35 hours (7 days) of Coast! But even at one show per disc, standard MDs are cheaper than decent cassettes. I have an old (ATRAC 2!) MD deck with a VCR-style timer. I was going to sell it till I discovered the timer function...no more missed Coast shows for this guy! George --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Ha true! I do love the format though just because > of > the simplicity and editing is a breeze! Most of all > I > can record up to 4 hours on a disc for talk shows. > I > still record on cassettes as well. I can load up > two > 90 min tapes in my dual TEAC which records on both > sides and get 3 hours but the minidisc wins out for > talk shows because I can get that 4 full hours. > Actually the minidisc will record 5.3 hours total in > the longest record mode but I only need 4 for Coast > to > Coast! > > -Kevin > > > --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell wrote: > > > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My kinda > > people! > > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different models from > 3 > > different brands > > on their web site for sale. > > > > Kevin > > “You’re never beaten until you admit it.” - > General > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 20:44:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84530 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 04:44:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 04:44:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.203) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 04:44:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 55466 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 04:44:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Q9vTP74VM1nl1sdjNSbufxLpsxxqfDpSAbFZ3c.jpLcZxk465sdmOBPke7g17WU28Cnd6uU8kA3Hs4O7hI4M3._3HLBmJgCQX8o7U..XKruZXi_hYP2RzDYNb1yJqg-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:44:25 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:44:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <333445.95036.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <525850.52336.qm@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=W2HDxFgjDT3pR95abhETxbNq2Yj1XXXWEMgMpmubfDe89w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 That's one sweet deal! I paid $150 + ship on my '480, but at $26, I may just get a back-up. Even at the regular price, the 480 is a great deck. I like the ATRAC-R bit re-allocation idea, and the scale-factor editing has uses, too. For the life of me, I don't know why people don't "get it"...MD is the coolest format I've used, and the only one that finally got me out of my reel-to-reel-only mood. Sure, computers can do a lot of neat editing tricks, but I haven't found one yet that fits in my shirt pocket, runs on a cheap battery, and has a top-notch ADC. Long live the little disc with the big sound! George --- clemsonbloke wrote: > So far Tascam still makes two pro models. Sony > still > sells the MDS-JE480 for $149 on their site. Now let > me tell yall this one :o)! Around Christmas Sony > put > the MDS-JE480 on their b-stock site on sale for > $25.99 > and with free shipping and tax added it came out to > around $26. I bought two of those units. They may > say b-stock but they dammned well look and work > brand > new. I couldn't tell any difference at all. You > can't beat that for $26 and the free shipping they > had > at Christmas. Be sure to look around as they still > put some of those decks up for that price every now > and then and have free shipping. This deck runs > $149.99 on the main site and is still sold. Sony > runs > some real dirt cheap sales but you gotta check it > daily. They get gone, sometimes they only had dirt > cheap decks up for a few hours then they are gone so > look out! > > -Kevin > > > --- hank smith wrote: > > > will they stop making md decs? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Possum Hunter" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:44 PM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell wrote: > > > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My kinda > > people! > > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different models from > 3 > > different brands > > on their web site for sale. > > > > Kevin > > “You’re never beaten until you admit it.” - > General > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 20:47:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67197 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 04:47:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 04:47:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.202) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 04:47:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 91124 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 04:47:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: V1kKy.sVM1m3O2kfF9bLW3pagvelbErvIADWnpCIjZrZu2Lv7fM_54jrekk.csFmtOT5lI3qOXclj5VMTpn5kKIzSTwQxxV_nHYMcXDtxS_OWJ5R2v2kKXWJuIbgiw-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:47:23 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:47:23 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004c01c855ba$90751790$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <860397.88314.qm@web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=JZl7xfTr0cDA1k8ivnZBRNMk_CCDWSwVTQDRiHneeu5kkw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Not sure, when they were ATRAC it was 132 kb/sec, MDLP-2. My guess would be 128 or worse! --- hank smith wrote: > what bitrate in mp3? > and what about all the drm music I purchased? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 9:54 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > Well, the JE-480 was Sony's last (non-Hi) MD deck, > and > the MZ-M200 aka MZ-RH10 was their last portable, > and > they seem to have no plans to make anymore of > either, > nor have they announced any future models. Sony > has > even dropped ATRAC on their Connect download > service, > bowing to MP3. Hope I'm wrong, but seems the > writing > is on the wall. > > As for the HBB and Tascam stuff, those models have > been out a while, > may be last of stock, too. Marantz made a great > pro > portable, too, but have dropped it in favor of > hard-drive and flash memory based stuff. > > Sadly, even after Sony developed HiMD, they never > made > a deck for it. > Only one out is made by Onkyo. > > The station I hang out at occasionally still uses > MD, > as do I'm sure a lot of others, maybe their > loyalty > will buy it some more time? Hope so! > > There is a great site for MD, www.minidisc.org > > They have specs, manual downloads, even an > animation > of how the HiMD optics works...pretty cool stuff! > > Regards, > > George > > --- Possum Hunter > wrote: > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 7:25 PM, hank smith wrote: > > > > > will they stop making md decs? > > > > One of these days, I am sure they will, but I > think > > it will be a > > while. MDs are pretty popular in radio and in > the > > consumer market in > > other countries. > > > > Kevin > > "You're never beaten until you admit it." - > General > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 20:51:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42976 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 04:51:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 04:51:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.206) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 04:51:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21934 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 04:51:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: I9_KbUkVM1lCjQjIFIF7dnn3dLTzx6VwuXusZdsimzu20LYRbzJYecvkQqu9JY4Iag-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:51:22 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:51:22 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005401c855ba$b735bf10$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <371849.20435.qm@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=6Lim5GPfegzvbYPwwFHrK3vSRMV6PgAd4C6hNIJZRSFK6w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 The opening theme? Isn't that from a movie called "MIdnight" something-or-other? I like the closing them, "Inca Dance", by Cusco, but have had no luck finding the CD anywhere except on line...and I don't have "plastic". Oh well, glad to see the word "vinyl"! (I get dizzy watching CDs and MDs go around...can't read the label, hah-hah!) George --- hank smith wrote: > darn I missed the first 2 hours oh well crap. > just as a side note > I have the theme that he uses on vinyl > really sounds nice to. > Hank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 9:57 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? > > > Yes, I heard him not long ago, and it wasn't a > tape. > George was once an anchor at WXYZ-TV 7 in Detroit, > I > think. > Oops, time to go warm up the radio, that show > starts > in a couple minutes! > George > --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 1/12/08 4:01:55 PM Central > > Standard Time, > > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > > Sounds like good stuff for the Art Bell show! > > > > > Odd you should mention Art Bell. I was dialing > > around the radio driving back > > from Arkansas, and Art Bell himself was back on > his > > show. By the way, I > > personally know George Nouri. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > ************** > > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > > shape. > > > > > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Jan 13 20:51:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48307 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 04:51:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 04:51:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 04:51:59 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 04:51:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.142] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 04:51:58 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 04:51:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 902652.19821.bm@omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 80434 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 04:51:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zgw8ybUVM1mhifhDrqZx24f.ncr4ZcTTW013ZR6PaqqXob_pz5rI7EbLNr4RjM92l2fnkLPnLQWByhH16QDjBTkVNuYJ.uEb0S_N_U8YcLWi X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:51:57 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:51:57 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <642220.72991.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <21966.75208.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=PSD3PR7bXv_1Z_KvCdnelx-aVeCYOOz0uK3oamhvqE2Xpkqqy91t X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke The Best Coast show I have heard in a long time was the one back around thanksgiving on the Kennedy Assasination. They had several people on that night. Truly great radio! -Kevin --- george russell wrote: > I'm trying to figure a way to remote-start my HiMD > to > do that...with one 1 gig disc, I could get 35 hours > (7 > days) of Coast! But even at one show per disc, > standard MDs are cheaper than decent cassettes. > I have an old (ATRAC 2!) MD deck with a VCR-style > timer. I was going to sell it till I discovered the > timer function...no more missed Coast shows for this > guy! > George > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > Ha true! I do love the format though just because > > of > > the simplicity and editing is a breeze! Most of > all > > I > > can record up to 4 hours on a disc for talk shows. > > > I > > still record on cassettes as well. I can load up > > two > > 90 min tapes in my dual TEAC which records on both > > sides and get 3 hours but the minidisc wins out > for > > talk shows because I can get that 4 full hours. > > Actually the minidisc will record 5.3 hours total > in > > the longest record mode but I only need 4 for > Coast > > to > > Coast! > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > --- Possum Hunter > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell > wrote: > > > > > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My kinda > > > people! > > > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > > > > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different models > from > > 3 > > > different brands > > > on their web site for sale. > > > > > > Kevin > > > “You’re never beaten until you admit it.” - > > General > > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! 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Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 20:56:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65471 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 04:56:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 04:56:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 04:56:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36999 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 04:55:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Lmst5NgVM1liZPN8vpNtED0hzekTg6GWoCh9_04LcIX6lHoYcMYUY2XgqRZisfe.9_XRI4bZrcTwtIjSxBNee1YPYOnRI4_t_BA04bBshfKf1HgEES0UERU1Mj37Hg-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:55:59 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:55:59 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <640413.21289.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=IMDCt31OQvrhNLP_8sfSduJz09yifp6DZfMrQyQ09fhLYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Oh boy, you brought up Wright-Pat? I lived in Fairborn, Ohio for about 15 years. My Dad worked in the Foreign Technology Division at Wright-Pat for a while...of course, he refuses to say just HOW foreign the technology was. We gotta talk sometime, off forum! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/13/08 12:03:39 AM Central > Standard Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > UFOs ARE real!!! Any forums for that? > > > There are forums but you have to have a note from > your therapist that you are > taking your meds to participate. Yes, there are > REAL groups but they're kind > of word-of-mouth to keep the kooks and frauds out. > > There are unidentified flying objects that are just > that. Flying objects > that haven't been identified. Attempting to > identify these objects is what most > legitimate groups try to do. > > Whatever happened at Roswell (which I have been to), > the Government covered > it up for some reason. I don't know what is was, > but something happened that > wasn't what the Government said. > > Have you heard of the Blue Room at Wright Patterson? > > Mike > > > > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 20:59:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58597 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 04:59:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 04:59:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.208) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 04:59:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30558 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 04:59:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zL8rAncVM1lb3imWa7ejg2L6r1B_xSRDV9MyQj0XMDbSfoBZoUCLcA8Iev3540DXiOu4vccoHXImcWqZNITso26TRuGHxzZ4UrjGJC9gXMixDdeMgIk- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:59:50 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:59:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <007401c855bb$373d2ae0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <869043.25964.qm@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Nfm_QsZHpKaGVvTenPhwEGFxLjjF-mNSJGQB0_dsRIGZ6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 If I recall correctly, Standard MD is 326 kb/sec, lp-2 is 132, and LP-4 is 66. In 4, it is mixed stereo, some of the seperation is given up to leave more bits for better definition. Check out www.minidisc.org they have all the answers...great site! George --- hank smith wrote: > what is the sampling rate on the 4 hour mode? > can I get a sample of what that soujnds like? > 320 kbps mp3 file > that is high enuph that I won't loose any major > transcoding. > I know the longer you get with md the poorer the > sound quality gets > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clemsonbloke > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:17 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > Ha true! I do love the format though just because > of > the simplicity and editing is a breeze! Most of > all I > can record up to 4 hours on a disc for talk shows. > I > still record on cassettes as well. I can load up > two > 90 min tapes in my dual TEAC which records on both > sides and get 3 hours but the minidisc wins out > for > talk shows because I can get that 4 full hours. > Actually the minidisc will record 5.3 hours total > in > the longest record mode but I only need 4 for > Coast to > Coast! > > -Kevin > > --- Possum Hunter > wrote: > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell > wrote: > > > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My kinda > > people! > > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different models > from 3 > > different brands > > on their web site for sale. > > > > Kevin > > "You're never beaten until you admit it." - > General > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! 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Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Jan 13 21:03:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64392 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 05:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 05:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.92) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 05:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 05:03:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.136] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 05:03:36 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp109.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 05:03:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 547006.96269.bm@omp109.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 43927 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 05:03:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uSz_TQAVM1kHbIY4r9mLJcNKGOQn94pXUyZK_6FWK8I9mt_VcPt6J.9MzhUcLHQg48C010VjFeKVyYxS0T.yNjo0rpqHM0BnE09OenQWqqP8cTB.QRgXtR8- X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:03:35 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:03:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <525850.52336.qm@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <659908.37469.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=b2XjD23ngqnaFlVxjuQNXX9LhDu8fS9SIsMEY3xPk6En5VKJgNpP X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yeah i've been with the format since 1997 and love it. These days though kids want to carry around 20,000 songs on an ipod. While that may be convenient its just not the same as physical media. You don't get liner notes, photograpy, etc. The bad part is when the thing crashes and you lose all your songs you purchased off itunes. I know kids at school who have lost extensive collections oila'! That to me is just nuts. I can't take those kinds of risks with my favorite recordings. Now as a broadcasting student about to graduate and I have come to appreciate MP3's uses but I don't consider it a very "hi-fi" format. In broadcasting though we record our commercial spots and music beds down in Cool Edit Pro/Adobe Audition. It can do the full qualtiy or any type of MP3. Usually nowadays people will record a commercial this way and send it directly to the radio station via the internet. No more mailing of tapes or CD's. So yeah it has its convenience. I think MD will hang around a good while. Look at DAT, it's still around and still sold. DAT and MD was just relocated to professional/broadcast use. We have still have minidisc in our studios at school. We also still have a reel to reel and cassette. Not to mention we also have old working cart machines and tapes in the equipment closet as well as a Digicart (uses the Zip disks). We still get requests from time to time to transfer something from an old tape or cart over to digital so we still drag that stuff out from time to time. I recently converted some 35mm slides to digital for the our deparment. I was the only one that still had working 35mm slide equipment! Yes I plan to hang on to that stuff, never know when you'll get requests like that to do stuff and make some side cash. Well I hope you can find you one of those $26 MD decks, I bought two back before Christmas. Just keep checking, you never know what will pop up for sale on the site. Good Luck. -Kevin --- george russell wrote: > That's one sweet deal! I paid $150 + ship on my > '480, > but at $26, I may just get a back-up. > Even at the regular price, the 480 is a great deck. > I > like the ATRAC-R > bit re-allocation idea, and the scale-factor editing > has uses, too. > For the life of me, I don't know why people don't > "get > it"...MD is the coolest format I've used, and the > only > one that finally got me out of my reel-to-reel-only > mood. Sure, computers can do a lot of neat editing > tricks, but I haven't found one yet that fits in my > shirt pocket, runs on a cheap battery, and has a > top-notch ADC. > Long live the little disc with the big sound! > George > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > So far Tascam still makes two pro models. Sony > > still > > sells the MDS-JE480 for $149 on their site. Now > let > > me tell yall this one :o)! Around Christmas Sony > > put > > the MDS-JE480 on their b-stock site on sale for > > $25.99 > > and with free shipping and tax added it came out > to > > around $26. I bought two of those units. They > may > > say b-stock but they dammned well look and work > > brand > > new. I couldn't tell any difference at all. You > > can't beat that for $26 and the free shipping they > > had > > at Christmas. Be sure to look around as they > still > > put some of those decks up for that price every > now > > and then and have free shipping. This deck runs > > $149.99 on the main site and is still sold. Sony > > runs > > some real dirt cheap sales but you gotta check it > > daily. They get gone, sometimes they only had > dirt > > cheap decks up for a few hours then they are gone > so > > look out! > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > --- hank smith wrote: > > > > > will they stop making md decs? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Possum Hunter" > > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:44 PM > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell > wrote: > > > > > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My kinda > > > people! > > > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > > > > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different models > from > > 3 > > > different brands > > > on their web site for sale. > > > > > > Kevin > > > “You’re never beaten until you admit it.” - > > General > > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 21:03:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98159 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 05:03:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 05:03:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 05:03:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 92293 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 05:03:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kNh1Lx4VM1m7fQ1ROnBXGf1ic9NFp.DEr.5Ew7sJ0.5iljIM7Bgdc5BegD38UxZlHgfyRO98pJGlwV9axuUBWLvfkjFMxFxYBCA4 X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:03:46 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:03:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008701c85605$4df6bc20$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <972695.92030.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=sGUkxZYpV5c3dDG1Dt9ZIe55ZNZO1VORrXprj8In2j7ssw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yup, until the Grundig, I usually used 22k...your's is probably even better, if the target is still bright. (actually, a new eye tube seems a little TOO bright to me, but JMHO). George --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > When I service an old radio with an eye tube I put a > resistor in series with the target- usually not > enough to affect the shadow angle, but enough to cut > the target current. 33K is usually the value I use > and the eye dims only slightly. > > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > But it does seem that lower target current > stretches > the life out...I sure hope so, 'cause EM34s are > gettin' mighty pricey! > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Jan 13 21:06:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74127 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 05:06:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 05:06:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.93) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 05:06:18 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 05:06:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.152] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 05:06:17 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp205.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 05:06:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 811205.90049.bm@omp205.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 13592 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 05:06:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HpvlkXgVM1khX37ZPraybBD06j6bSiO_.NvzI9qL6SxRBeUFKyU8jmS6osZyqkhutAxr3DBWVjcU_qblJ2D2FvO2RzJ5ODHqOUU9CpwcdtP1 X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:06:16 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:06:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <869043.25964.qm@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <860076.11787.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=_E_gQs5BhUrwvnLCvjIZiyadM0JmBvPOyvwJr3Rh0NlhYfx-tG0F X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yep I know that site well. Too bad they don't update it anymore. I haven't seen much updated on it in a while. There were some other sister sites but I don't recall their addresses. I forgot to say. I have a couple of pre-recorded MD's as well. They weren't around that long but I bought a few when they were just for fun. -Kevin --- george russell wrote: > If I recall correctly, Standard MD is 326 kb/sec, > lp-2 > is 132, and LP-4 is 66. In 4, it is mixed stereo, > some of the seperation is given up to leave more > bits > for better definition. > Check out www.minidisc.org they have all the > answers...great site! > George > --- hank smith wrote: > > > what is the sampling rate on the 4 hour mode? > > can I get a sample of what that soujnds like? > > 320 kbps mp3 file > > that is high enuph that I won't loose any major > > transcoding. > > I know the longer you get with md the poorer the > > sound quality gets > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: clemsonbloke > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:17 PM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > > > > Ha true! I do love the format though just > because > > of > > the simplicity and editing is a breeze! Most of > > all I > > can record up to 4 hours on a disc for talk > shows. > > I > > still record on cassettes as well. I can load up > > two > > 90 min tapes in my dual TEAC which records on > both > > sides and get 3 hours but the minidisc wins out > > for > > talk shows because I can get that 4 full hours. > > Actually the minidisc will record 5.3 hours > total > > in > > the longest record mode but I only need 4 for > > Coast to > > Coast! > > > > -Kevin > > > > --- Possum Hunter > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell > > wrote: > > > > > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My kinda > > > people! > > > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > > > > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different models > > from 3 > > > different brands > > > on their web site for sale. > > > > > > Kevin > > > "You're never beaten until you admit it." - > > General > > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! 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Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 21:10:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70097 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 05:10:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 05:10:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 05:10:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6863 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 05:10:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ztdXLdwVM1nJrQD3RWuoH262S9_enZzWo3yBlc.F.r5FvSsOkhPtxhJe.7u9sXMq.w3XpX0nBbl8wlDzsgjscaexsMSCILpytlPQ9zafU95aVXibg_4- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:10:43 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:10:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <972695.92030.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <33917.4588.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Inovonics 222 NRSC box... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=hHDOgZ8xZI3ly1vZW6hoU6GdefX3asXTyhF8tbvb8W852A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 In case anybody out there in AM land needs a good final limiter/clipper/NRSC/low-pass-filter processor, mine is on Ebay for another 2 days. Just took it out of the rack a few weeks ago, and she works good as new. (search "inovonics 222" on ebay) I will be selling the Inovonics MAP-II 8-band processor in a week or two. Hope somebody gives these old veterans a good home! George --- george russell wrote: > Yup, until the Grundig, I usually used 22k...your's > is > probably even better, if the target is still bright. > > (actually, a new eye tube seems a little TOO bright > to > me, but JMHO). George > > --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > > > When I service an old radio with an eye tube I put > a > > resistor in series with the target- usually not > > enough to affect the shadow angle, but enough to > cut > > the target current. 33K is usually the value I > use > > and the eye dims only slightly. > > > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: george russell > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > > But it does seem that lower target current > > stretches > > the life out...I sure hope so, 'cause EM34s are > > gettin' mighty pricey! > > > > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Jan 13 21:12:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65854 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 05:12:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 05:12:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.176) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 05:12:40 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id h31so2139952pyc.23 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:12:39 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.63.2 with SMTP id q2mr6356462pyk.49.1200287558927; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:12:38 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:12:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80801132112h7af73c07y9eec740765684da0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:12:38 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <33917.4588.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <972695.92030.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <33917.4588.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Inovonics 222 NRSC box... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=oSZg6LWmrspHYwrUv1Ej_mPqQpucd3Nmpl59LzlrrJDmuGuMGCGb4SO0 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an Innovonics 222 Audio Processor and Symetrix 528 here at The Mighty 1590 Paul Walker www.wabv1590.com On Jan 14, 2008 12:10 AM, george russell wrote: > In case anybody out there in AM land needs a good > final limiter/clipper/NRSC/low-pass-filter processor, > mine is on Ebay for another 2 days. > Just took it out of the rack a few weeks ago, and she > works good as new. (search "inovonics 222" on ebay) > I will be selling the Inovonics MAP-II 8-band > processor in a week or two. > Hope somebody gives these old veterans a good home! > George > > --- george russell > wrote: > > > Yup, until the Grundig, I usually used 22k...your's > > is > > probably even better, if the target is still bright. > > > > (actually, a new eye tube seems a little TOO bright > > to > > me, but JMHO). George > > > > --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > > > > > When I service an old radio with an eye tube I put > > a > > > resistor in series with the target- usually not > > > enough to affect the shadow angle, but enough to > > cut > > > the target current. 33K is usually the value I > > use > > > and the eye dims only slightly. > > > > > > Scott Todd > . > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 21:18:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88718 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 05:18:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 05:18:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 05:18:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 33572 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 05:18:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eLQw518VM1mJkhWn8DbJJft8UAsRYtaF6eNrUZkiDg0d76j.OsOslfpZg7ixGZ.fyF.ZOZ4ENYHygrMHGnq64uvia4wcWtIpmmXRbpS2r18b.QndPGQ- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:18:30 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:18:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <21966.75208.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <62867.33380.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=FBYwj6lAMW1yiuVUULY4Mvb8Siku2tnK5QUcFI5b65MwSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 You got my "Amen"! That was the kind of talk radio that doesn't happen enough. G --- clemsonbloke wrote: > The Best Coast show I have heard in a long time was > the one back around thanksgiving on the Kennedy > Assasination. They had several people on that > night. > Truly great radio! > > -Kevin > > > > --- george russell wrote: > > > I'm trying to figure a way to remote-start my HiMD > > to > > do that...with one 1 gig disc, I could get 35 > hours > > (7 > > days) of Coast! But even at one show per disc, > > standard MDs are cheaper than decent cassettes. > > I have an old (ATRAC 2!) MD deck with a VCR-style > > timer. I was going to sell it till I discovered > the > > timer function...no more missed Coast shows for > this > > guy! > > George > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > > > Ha true! I do love the format though just > because > > > of > > > the simplicity and editing is a breeze! Most of > > all > > > I > > > can record up to 4 hours on a disc for talk > shows. > > > > > I > > > still record on cassettes as well. I can load > up > > > two > > > 90 min tapes in my dual TEAC which records on > both > > > sides and get 3 hours but the minidisc wins out > > for > > > talk shows because I can get that 4 full hours. > > > Actually the minidisc will record 5.3 hours > total > > in > > > the longest record mode but I only need 4 for > > Coast > > > to > > > Coast! > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > --- Possum Hunter > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My kinda > > > > people! > > > > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > > > > > > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different models > > from > > > 3 > > > > different brands > > > > on their web site for sale. > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > “You’re never beaten until you admit it.” - > > > General > > > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 21:25:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39159 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 05:25:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 05:25:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 05:25:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17889 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 05:25:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qci_MTkVM1mZa2y1Vwr_O0E9GPzkaI2fZVmVH46plQznw8Vssm5uy5rcnvYnIR3VD.5C.iMyLqY62PGETrbkbduznAjGsyUFNiOjqX7XT.yMwOH.z1Y- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:25:29 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:25:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <659908.37469.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <105365.17873.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=w-2zCdX1FwKJegCqgbaS8MWKBitInUInPv3-7pFxfbWYmg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Seems kids today maybe have dumbed-down hearing? 20,000 songs...the number is impressive, but not the sound quality. Also with the I-thing, you have to hook up to a computer to change anything. MD is so flexible, and the media so cheap! I've done entire spots from scratch tracks to polished final cut, all on a cheap MD deck. And without getting splicing tape on my fingers, ha-ha. I just got a 4-track MD deck, can't wait to explore all those possibilities. (Hope to finish reading the ten-pound owner's manual late this year!) --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Yeah i've been with the format since 1997 and love > it. > These days though kids want to carry around 20,000 > songs on an ipod. While that may be convenient its > just not the same as physical media. You don't get > liner notes, photograpy, etc. The bad part is when > the thing crashes and you lose all your songs you > purchased off itunes. I know kids at school who > have > lost extensive collections oila'! That to me is > just > nuts. I can't take those kinds of risks with my > favorite recordings. Now as a broadcasting student > about to graduate and I have come to appreciate > MP3's > uses but I don't consider it a very "hi-fi" format. > In broadcasting though we record our commercial > spots > and music beds down in Cool Edit Pro/Adobe Audition. > > It can do the full qualtiy or any type of MP3. > Usually nowadays people will record a commercial > this > way and send it directly to the radio station via > the > internet. No more mailing of tapes or CD's. So > yeah > it has its convenience. I think MD will hang around > a > good while. Look at DAT, it's still around and > still > sold. DAT and MD was just relocated to > professional/broadcast use. We have still have > minidisc in our studios at school. We also still > have > a reel to reel and cassette. Not to mention we also > have old working cart machines and tapes in the > equipment closet as well as a Digicart (uses the Zip > disks). We still get requests from time to time to > transfer something from an old tape or cart over to > digital so we still drag that stuff out from time to > time. I recently converted some 35mm slides to > digital for the our deparment. I was the only one > that still had working 35mm slide equipment! Yes I > plan to hang on to that stuff, never know when > you'll > get requests like that to do stuff and make some > side > cash. Well I hope you can find you one of those $26 > MD decks, I bought two back before Christmas. Just > keep checking, you never know what will pop up for > sale on the site. Good Luck. > > -Kevin > > > --- george russell wrote: > > > That's one sweet deal! I paid $150 + ship on my > > '480, > > but at $26, I may just get a back-up. > > Even at the regular price, the 480 is a great > deck. > > I > > like the ATRAC-R > > bit re-allocation idea, and the scale-factor > editing > > has uses, too. > > For the life of me, I don't know why people don't > > "get > > it"...MD is the coolest format I've used, and the > > only > > one that finally got me out of my > reel-to-reel-only > > mood. Sure, computers can do a lot of neat > editing > > tricks, but I haven't found one yet that fits in > my > > shirt pocket, runs on a cheap battery, and has a > > top-notch ADC. > > Long live the little disc with the big sound! > > George > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > > > So far Tascam still makes two pro models. Sony > > > still > > > sells the MDS-JE480 for $149 on their site. Now > > let > > > me tell yall this one :o)! Around Christmas > Sony > > > put > > > the MDS-JE480 on their b-stock site on sale for > > > $25.99 > > > and with free shipping and tax added it came out > > to > > > around $26. I bought two of those units. They > > may > > > say b-stock but they dammned well look and work > > > brand > > > new. I couldn't tell any difference at all. > You > > > can't beat that for $26 and the free shipping > they > > > had > > > at Christmas. Be sure to look around as they > > still > > > put some of those decks up for that price every > > now > > > and then and have free shipping. This deck runs > > > $149.99 on the main site and is still sold. > Sony > > > runs > > > some real dirt cheap sales but you gotta check > it > > > daily. They get gone, sometimes they only had > > dirt > > > cheap decks up for a few hours then they are > gone > > so > > > look out! > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > --- hank smith wrote: > > > > > > > will they stop making md decs? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Possum Hunter" > > > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:44 PM > > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My kinda > > > > people! > > > > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > > > > > > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different models > > from > > > 3 > > > > different brands > > > > on their web site for sale. > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > “You’re never beaten until you admit it.” - > > > General > > > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Yahoo! 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Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 21:33:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29326 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 05:33:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 05:33:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 05:33:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9759 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 05:33:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kIoeBdcVM1nIUk_cFWtDcijy0yHvJPmYZjHEKwa27yoZHzXx.BzGuzyS_Cq_3y5WOzajGoCmT4snZ3cYn.q6eDMGe67vpQrearXe9CEawA63A8iMBuxaZRosJVWrIA-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:33:42 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:33:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <860076.11787.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <616542.9602.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=q63rV8-EAs1fWMdAlyavpY8eI7MlUhDRADRZtTlq6zxNGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I found a promotional MD put out by Rolling Stone Magazine, called "Rolling Stone:Turn it Up" at a yard sale a couple months ago. Got it for a quarter, the lady didn't know what to play it back on. Also got "MiniDisc Sampler" that Sony put out when I won an MZ-1 (original "brick") on Ebay. And last year, a guy at the flea market gave up on MD, and sold me a box of 32 new pre-records, still sealed in the plastic, for $20! This might be a good area to collect in, as the price may rise in coming years? Yes, that site seems to have given up, not much news on there since the MZ-RH1 came out. George George --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Yep I know that site well. Too bad they don't > update > it anymore. I haven't seen much updated on it in a > while. There were some other sister sites but I > don't > recall their addresses. I forgot to say. I have a > couple of pre-recorded MD's as well. They weren't > around that long but I bought a few when they were > just for fun. > > -Kevin > > > > --- george russell wrote: > > > If I recall correctly, Standard MD is 326 kb/sec, > > lp-2 > > is 132, and LP-4 is 66. In 4, it is mixed stereo, > > some of the seperation is given up to leave more > > bits > > for better definition. > > Check out www.minidisc.org they have all the > > answers...great site! > > George > > --- hank smith wrote: > > > > > what is the sampling rate on the 4 hour mode? > > > can I get a sample of what that soujnds like? > > > 320 kbps mp3 file > > > that is high enuph that I won't loose any major > > > transcoding. > > > I know the longer you get with md the poorer the > > > sound quality gets > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: clemsonbloke > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:17 PM > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > > > > > > > Ha true! I do love the format though just > > because > > > of > > > the simplicity and editing is a breeze! Most > of > > > all I > > > can record up to 4 hours on a disc for talk > > shows. > > > I > > > still record on cassettes as well. I can load > up > > > two > > > 90 min tapes in my dual TEAC which records on > > both > > > sides and get 3 hours but the minidisc wins > out > > > for > > > talk shows because I can get that 4 full > hours. > > > Actually the minidisc will record 5.3 hours > > total > > > in > > > the longest record mode but I only need 4 for > > > Coast to > > > Coast! > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > --- Possum Hunter > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My > kinda > > > > people! > > > > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > > > > > > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different > models > > > from 3 > > > > different brands > > > > on their web site for sale. > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > "You're never beaten until you admit it." - > > > General > > > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Jan 13 21:53:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36027 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 05:53:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 05:53:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 05:53:05 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d0c.23fb8548 (34955) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:52:57 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-da06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA064-888b478af8b7137; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:52:56 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c85671$beba6940$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <642220.72991.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:53:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=JuVymjT_hNvhtJzxPSjBkqvuKAqSEbgKAxu7QricSEZlzAUMlQ0C X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit if you ever want to cell any of your md stuff let me know ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:37 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC I'm trying to figure a way to remote-start my HiMD to do that...with one 1 gig disc, I could get 35 hours (7 days) of Coast! But even at one show per disc, standard MDs are cheaper than decent cassettes. I have an old (ATRAC 2!) MD deck with a VCR-style timer. I was going to sell it till I discovered the timer function...no more missed Coast shows for this guy! George --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Ha true! I do love the format though just because > of > the simplicity and editing is a breeze! Most of all > I > can record up to 4 hours on a disc for talk shows. > I > still record on cassettes as well. I can load up > two > 90 min tapes in my dual TEAC which records on both > sides and get 3 hours but the minidisc wins out for > talk shows because I can get that 4 full hours. > Actually the minidisc will record 5.3 hours total in > the longest record mode but I only need 4 for Coast > to > Coast! > > -Kevin > > > --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell wrote: > > > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My kinda > > people! > > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different models from > 3 > > different brands > > on their web site for sale. > > > > Kevin > > "You're never beaten until you admit it." - > General > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > __________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Jan 13 21:54:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18290 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 05:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 05:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 05:54:16 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d30.2262d592 (34967) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:54:04 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA074-8897478af8f33ca; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:53:56 -0500 Message-ID: <002701c85671$e3aa2150$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <525850.52336.qm@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:54:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=z7MTTUUTGQSCf1O-QJAYMas3wn5ePLYzwR4Gh4bE8fcl0lapvCCI X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 how minue driven is the unit? ----- Original Message ----- From: "george russell" To: Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:44 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > That's one sweet deal! I paid $150 + ship on my '480, > but at $26, I may just get a back-up. > Even at the regular price, the 480 is a great deck. I > like the ATRAC-R > bit re-allocation idea, and the scale-factor editing > has uses, too. > For the life of me, I don't know why people don't "get > it"...MD is the coolest format I've used, and the only > one that finally got me out of my reel-to-reel-only > mood. Sure, computers can do a lot of neat editing > tricks, but I haven't found one yet that fits in my > shirt pocket, runs on a cheap battery, and has a > top-notch ADC. > Long live the little disc with the big sound! > George > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > >> So far Tascam still makes two pro models. Sony >> still >> sells the MDS-JE480 for $149 on their site. Now let >> me tell yall this one :o)! Around Christmas Sony >> put >> the MDS-JE480 on their b-stock site on sale for >> $25.99 >> and with free shipping and tax added it came out to >> around $26. I bought two of those units. They may >> say b-stock but they dammned well look and work >> brand >> new. I couldn't tell any difference at all. You >> can't beat that for $26 and the free shipping they >> had >> at Christmas. Be sure to look around as they still >> put some of those decks up for that price every now >> and then and have free shipping. This deck runs >> $149.99 on the main site and is still sold. Sony >> runs >> some real dirt cheap sales but you gotta check it >> daily. They get gone, sometimes they only had dirt >> cheap decks up for a few hours then they are gone so >> look out! >> >> -Kevin >> >> >> --- hank smith wrote: >> >> > will they stop making md decs? >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Possum Hunter" >> > To: >> > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:44 PM >> > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC >> > >> > >> > >> > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell wrote: >> > >> > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? 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amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64454 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 05:55:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 05:55:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 05:55:25 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bc0.2444d147 (34980) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:55:07 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA085-88a4478af939153; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:55:06 -0500 Message-ID: <003001c85672$0fadad80$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <860397.88314.qm@web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:55:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=wugAhEb32J3Lvce3qGEx5mAC0UKf-UA-MoRO4bPrvWcZX5Ct2PEe X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it didn't sound half bad actually I couldn't notice any loss one way to test this run the music threw devocalizers if it is compressed 160 or lower trust me you will notice it. I didn't notice it at 132 kbps ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:47 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC Not sure, when they were ATRAC it was 132 kb/sec, MDLP-2. My guess would be 128 or worse! --- hank smith wrote: > what bitrate in mp3? > and what about all the drm music I purchased? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 9:54 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > Well, the JE-480 was Sony's last (non-Hi) MD deck, > and > the MZ-M200 aka MZ-RH10 was their last portable, > and > they seem to have no plans to make anymore of > either, > nor have they announced any future models. Sony > has > even dropped ATRAC on their Connect download > service, > bowing to MP3. Hope I'm wrong, but seems the > writing > is on the wall. > > As for the HBB and Tascam stuff, those models have > been out a while, > may be last of stock, too. Marantz made a great > pro > portable, too, but have dropped it in favor of > hard-drive and flash memory based stuff. > > Sadly, even after Sony developed HiMD, they never > made > a deck for it. > Only one out is made by Onkyo. > > The station I hang out at occasionally still uses > MD, > as do I'm sure a lot of others, maybe their > loyalty > will buy it some more time? Hope so! > > There is a great site for MD, www.minidisc.org > > They have specs, manual downloads, even an > animation > of how the HiMD optics works...pretty cool stuff! > > Regards, > > George > > --- Possum Hunter > wrote: > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 7:25 PM, hank smith wrote: > > > > > will they stop making md decs? > > > > One of these days, I am sure they will, but I > think > > it will be a > > while. MDs are pretty popular in radio and in > the > > consumer market in > > other countries. > > > > Kevin > > "You're never beaten until you admit it." - > General > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 00:00:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29092 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 08:00:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 08:00:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.204) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 08:00:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50037 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 08:00:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: W4pSZ.IVM1kgPp.17yIa3AkJy6D3F5S2dNu8YuEAJSo3vL92ETUmbIkQVrCagBS9RNifX.bzQdpS.6c6re8lINACbcXypbhSKGuZC_3R6lFTXe5AEQo- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:00:33 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:00:33 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001b01c85671$beba6940$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <943920.63620.qm@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=zpCdHI2egJTi3kAK_Z5xzBHPTfqxO0bAWGnlF5w8FJZg7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I might. I didn't get on the MD wagon until 2005, and came in with HiMD. (MZ-M100). Once I realized what I could do with MD, I went on a buying spree! Now have the HiMD, a CD/MD bookshelf system, a Denon pro rack-mount, 3 decks, a Sony 4-tracker, and a bunch of portables. I fell for this format hook, line, and sinker! May need to thin the herd, soon, though, and I'll let you know. George --- hank smith wrote: > if you ever want to cell any of your md stuff let me > know > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:37 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > I'm trying to figure a way to remote-start my HiMD > to > do that...with one 1 gig disc, I could get 35 > hours (7 > days) of Coast! But even at one show per disc, > standard MDs are cheaper than decent cassettes. > I have an old (ATRAC 2!) MD deck with a VCR-style > timer. I was going to sell it till I discovered > the > timer function...no more missed Coast shows for > this > guy! > George > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > Ha true! I do love the format though just > because > > of > > the simplicity and editing is a breeze! Most of > all > > I > > can record up to 4 hours on a disc for talk > shows. > > I > > still record on cassettes as well. I can load up > > two > > 90 min tapes in my dual TEAC which records on > both > > sides and get 3 hours but the minidisc wins out > for > > talk shows because I can get that 4 full hours. > > Actually the minidisc will record 5.3 hours > total in > > the longest record mode but I only need 4 for > Coast > > to > > Coast! > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > --- Possum Hunter > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell > wrote: > > > > > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My kinda > > > people! > > > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > > > > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different models > from > > 3 > > > different brands > > > on their web site for sale. > > > > > > Kevin > > > "You're never beaten until you admit it." - > > General > > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 00:01:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64382 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 08:01:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 08:01:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.31) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 08:01:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 08:01:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 08:01:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:01:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.19.170 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=bV46-rogjXHtE7Uy3iKZgfJFQOQ0idEoKl4IgqcNDPHr9ofZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > Hi Amy, >=20 > Sorry for the late reply. Sometimes I don't get to keep up with things. >=20 > Yes... 3.710 MHz in AM stereo. Always. >=20 > Jerry WA2FNQ Great! :) Someday, someone's gonna have to upload a new MP3 of AMS on the ham bands, like yours, just to prove AMS is still alive and in use. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 00:10:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44155 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 08:10:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 08:10:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.119) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 08:10:13 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 08:10:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 08:10:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 08:10:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:10:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CA235E61E8BC70-13A8-3331@webmail-da09.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.119 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.19.170 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=59J9b8AX4iQkMh833xXzzgRqxetblLG7Evaz6cq9daiHPIOF X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > Jerry WA2FNQ said: > Yes... 3.710 MHz in AM stereo. Always. Mike said: > There are AM Stereo ham stations??? Yes. The directory for AMS ham stations: http://tinyurl.com/3ctcph Individually, the two MP3s are: http://tinyurl.com/34ups8 http://tinyurl.com/2ssnb6 These are of Jerry, WA2FNQ. There are a feww others, but the archive has no recordings of them. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 00:13:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10906 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 08:13:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 08:13:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 08:13:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54131 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 08:13:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mXtSB5QVM1mpNSizC2o8q.9Tc.j5Q7ksGTVEFfFvoydrZajK6xq8f35lMgwW3X6WYrP1WvcNfFogYBt_eOlahO8mcsevqk_PqcWowVVfHM576KpEqUZKyXm5sKq6iQ-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:13:17 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:13:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003001c85672$0fadad80$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <564743.51015.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=P3HDqVJhCkC3pgnzSN250ehlVvuxgi0O682GbKhmQUYptA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 My apologies to the MD crowd! Std. MD is 292 kb/sec, not 326... I'll go stand in the corner now. So many ATRAC versions, so little time... George --- hank smith wrote: > it didn't sound half bad > actually I couldn't notice any loss > one way to test this run the music threw > devocalizers > if it is compressed 160 or lower trust me you will > notice it. > I didn't notice it at 132 kbps > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:47 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > Not sure, when they were ATRAC it was 132 kb/sec, > MDLP-2. > My guess would be 128 or worse! > > --- hank smith wrote: > > > what bitrate in mp3? > > and what about all the drm music I purchased? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: george russell > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 9:54 PM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > > > > Well, the JE-480 was Sony's last (non-Hi) MD > deck, > > and > > the MZ-M200 aka MZ-RH10 was their last portable, > > and > > they seem to have no plans to make anymore of > > either, > > nor have they announced any future models. Sony > > has > > even dropped ATRAC on their Connect download > > service, > > bowing to MP3. Hope I'm wrong, but seems the > > writing > > is on the wall. > > > > As for the HBB and Tascam stuff, those models > have > > been out a while, > > may be last of stock, too. Marantz made a great > > pro > > portable, too, but have dropped it in favor of > > hard-drive and flash memory based stuff. > > > > Sadly, even after Sony developed HiMD, they > never > > made > > a deck for it. > > Only one out is made by Onkyo. > > > > The station I hang out at occasionally still > uses > > MD, > > as do I'm sure a lot of others, maybe their > > loyalty > > will buy it some more time? Hope so! > > > > There is a great site for MD, www.minidisc.org > > > > They have specs, manual downloads, even an > > animation > > of how the HiMD optics works...pretty cool > stuff! > > > > Regards, > > > > George > > > > --- Possum Hunter > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 7:25 PM, hank smith wrote: > > > > > > > will they stop making md decs? > > > > > > One of these days, I am sure they will, but I > > think > > > it will be a > > > while. MDs are pretty popular in radio and in > > the > > > consumer market in > > > other countries. > > > > > > Kevin > > > "You're never beaten until you admit it." - > > General > > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Jan 14 01:02:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73065 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 09:02:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 09:02:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 09:02:36 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c19.2c056e33 (37595) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:02:34 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-mb06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB068-92db478b2528283; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:02:33 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01c8568c$5ab5c050$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <943920.63620.qm@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:03:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=tfARf8KozNnTKuklJ9n_lG-ES_L1Z7j5iQWT9D1BtTUyel29lGlX X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit awesome thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:00 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC I might. I didn't get on the MD wagon until 2005, and came in with HiMD. (MZ-M100). Once I realized what I could do with MD, I went on a buying spree! Now have the HiMD, a CD/MD bookshelf system, a Denon pro rack-mount, 3 decks, a Sony 4-tracker, and a bunch of portables. I fell for this format hook, line, and sinker! May need to thin the herd, soon, though, and I'll let you know. George --- hank smith wrote: > if you ever want to cell any of your md stuff let me > know > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:37 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > I'm trying to figure a way to remote-start my HiMD > to > do that...with one 1 gig disc, I could get 35 > hours (7 > days) of Coast! But even at one show per disc, > standard MDs are cheaper than decent cassettes. > I have an old (ATRAC 2!) MD deck with a VCR-style > timer. I was going to sell it till I discovered > the > timer function...no more missed Coast shows for > this > guy! > George > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > Ha true! I do love the format though just > because > > of > > the simplicity and editing is a breeze! Most of > all > > I > > can record up to 4 hours on a disc for talk > shows. > > I > > still record on cassettes as well. I can load up > > two > > 90 min tapes in my dual TEAC which records on > both > > sides and get 3 hours but the minidisc wins out > for > > talk shows because I can get that 4 full hours. > > Actually the minidisc will record 5.3 hours > total in > > the longest record mode but I only need 4 for > Coast > > to > > Coast! > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > --- Possum Hunter > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell > wrote: > > > > > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My kinda > > > people! > > > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > > > > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different models > from > > 3 > > > different brands > > > on their web site for sale. > > > > > > Kevin > > > "You're never beaten until you admit it." - > > General > > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Jan 14 01:04:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18214 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 09:04:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 09:04:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 09:04:22 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ce4.2606c841 (37580) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:04:14 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-mb05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB055-92cc478b258c24b; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:04:13 -0500 Message-ID: <002501c8568c$999ef200$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:05:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=11kpzfIsx2SRXNTwK0l4Jp08TQK8WG52SmYQ8SsjFT9414P4fCzG X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hmmm I have a file of what sounds like stereo ham band activity just remimbered about this one art bell had it on his site a while back called ben.mp3 any one interested? btw it is really funny. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:01 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > Hi Amy, > > Sorry for the late reply. Sometimes I don't get to keep up with things. > > Yes... 3.710 MHz in AM stereo. Always. > > Jerry WA2FNQ Great! :) Someday, someone's gonna have to upload a new MP3 of AMS on the ham bands, like yours, just to prove AMS is still alive and in use. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Jan 14 01:05:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95437 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 09:05:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 09:05:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 09:05:06 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ce9.23e50e3a (37576) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:04:52 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-mb05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB051-92c8478b25b255; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:04:51 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01c8568c$b12a2ac0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:06:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=ANvN_FF0LRSba51POAW6yoS1NHr-xiCBuCNDqsJdmlydXT9uDacB X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what rig can you recieve these on? ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:10 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > Jerry WA2FNQ said: > Yes... 3.710 MHz in AM stereo. Always. Mike said: > There are AM Stereo ham stations??? Yes. The directory for AMS ham stations: http://tinyurl.com/3ctcph Individually, the two MP3s are: http://tinyurl.com/34ups8 http://tinyurl.com/2ssnb6 These are of Jerry, WA2FNQ. There are a feww others, but the archive has no recordings of them. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 14 01:06:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51697 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 09:06:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 09:06:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 09:06:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c86.2336cb8b (65097) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:06:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:06:34 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=afer59RdGR2xcW8gbhZ0S8QRrtYcZa3k3WimPRhPkJbaqCvTEvhM9wYIdWVSOKA- X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a non-ham (not bragging, just fact), I am confused. Are you saying that you can transmit something other than voice over an amatuer radio station? Also, what equipment are you using to transmit and received AM Stereo in the 80 meter band? Just wondering. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 14 01:11:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67983 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 09:11:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 09:11:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 09:11:07 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d40.1fc33cee (65097) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:10:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:10:42 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Transmitter and Antenna Design (was New Year with CQUAM special offer!) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=SOTxebbi5pIQEM8Oi6CLcl7SuycPUA8-_rhr62b6qGWYecZUUUNLkjgyolXGNHpa X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As these discussions have taken the original threads far afield, I thought I would start a new more focused one for this subject. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 14 01:18:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90499 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 09:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 09:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 09:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d38.1cf34754 (65097) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:18:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:18:27 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=lokS0jlrr48vlOGzD-cIekMEbKUauh-vvNEDwq-D-NCFQKrsDkmjCV-VI3gHwPtN X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/13/08 10:56:29 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Oh boy, you brought up Wright-Pat? As your Dad about the building the black top roof with parking stripes painted on it that is shown to be a parking lot on all the base layouts. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 14 01:48:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7078 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 09:48:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 09:48:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 09:48:47 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cbf.1dd72aa1 (65097) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:48:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:48:40 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Transmitter and Antenna Design (was New Year with CQUAM special of... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=jB5UfTSL1F2mQhDNDN6XZbWrSrFBX_6bscqaqGFBGQSjs_HxWy_3hw4kPCwgK0n4 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/13/08 10:12:07 PM Central Standard Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > Radio Hams have been done it for years to get more reception signal > in some HF bands (vertical 5/8 aerials to 25, 27 and 30 MHz). > However, it causes a lot of background noise into near VHF TV sets > when they transmit SSB. > > So, use it in the MW band could cause interference in some other > bands and/or adjacent channels. An antenna is a linear device, so it cannot create artifacts that are there to begin with. Alot of hams rely on the inherent filtering of a tuned antenna to hold down spurious emissions. At 1,700 khz, an antenna consisting of a vertical 3-meter length of 10 ga. solid wire over an ideal ground plane has a radiation resistance of 120 milliohms and a capacitance of approximately 25 pF. Neglecting losses, that's a Q of 31,200 which translates into a bandwidth of zip. However, unless the antenna and its loading coil are immersed in liquid helium with a ground connection extending down to the Earth's liquid nickel core (I don't want to be giving the more ambious among us any ideas), that's not achievable. Why Part 15 transmitters have the bandwidth they do is because of the large losses, mainly in the ground. I should say, as with hams, some Part 15 transmitter designs rely on the high-Q of the antenna to suppress spurious and harmonic emissions. If this is the case, then you are correct. Using a broader band antenna may be problematic, particularly with harmonics falling in shortwave bands, especially ham bands. Those are those folks who will get the Feds knocking on your door faster than anyone. Some guy trying to work Perth doesn't want to listen to a Part 15'ers U2 retrospective. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 03:12:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32075 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 11:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 11:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 11:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 11:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 11:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 11:12:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:12:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.19.170 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=t5-JNe61RKlzVaFksF2EWQgxmwZ0-y-nD9AURlsJrv7leo-e X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > As a non-ham (not bragging, just fact), I am confused. I'm not a ham, either, but a longtime SWL and DZer, so...=20 > Are you saying that you can transmit something other than voice over an=20 > amatuer radio station? Yes- Morse code, RTTY, PSK/packet data, FAX, SSTV, ATV (in the UHF/microwave bands) and narrow-bandwidth DRM, amongst others. > Also, what equipment are you using to transmit and received AM Stereo in the=20 > 80 meter band? Jerry describes it best himself, here: http://www.wa2fnq.com/fnq/amstrdoc.htm Go down to the link for "AM stereo pictures" to see his setup, and how he transmits & receives AMS in the ham bands. :) (Yes, a downconverter into an AMS tuner.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 03:14:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6868 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 11:14:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 11:14:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.174) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 11:14:16 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 11:14:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 11:14:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 11:14:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:14:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002501c8568c$999ef200$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.19.170 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Ybyo1dlxlVUZ0zzlxUN4ZZSCwbuQAN8ssfBpVSC5hTr3Wp51 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > hmmm > I have a file of what sounds like stereo ham band activity just remimbered about this one > art bell had it on his site a while back > called > ben.mp3 > any one interested? > btw it is really funny. > Hank I'm curious. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 03:17:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11377 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 11:17:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 11:17:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.238) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 11:17:29 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 11:17:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 11:17:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 11:17:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:17:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.19.170 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=jnRC5gDMUvOGW2BAFK6nmYyrPMNfkFUjlHwTNgsZFkW1eO3f X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > I'm not a ham, either, but a longtime SWL and DZer, so...=20 Damn typos- DXer. :P Even mice make mistakes. :P Odd, how this thread is titled off-topic, yet it's been about ham AMS. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 14 03:27:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58738 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 11:27:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 11:27:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 11:27:42 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c80.1cb6c607 (65097) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:27:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:27:22 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=jzeGsyIcwvvooOUameP5VhpjW3yWxbVjEa8jIb-VOfIFTyDDq7mCLht1Its_Bw4q X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't be surprised to hear Art Bell claim he recently work Elvis on 80 meters in AMS. Is AMS transmission permissible by the FCC regulations for ham bands? It's not exactly an A3 transmission. It's a form of quadrature AM transmission. By something other than voice, I meant music, etc.. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 14 03:44:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66165 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 11:44:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 11:44:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 11:44:21 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cdb.2470f53c (65097) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:44:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:44:06 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Transmitter and Antenna Design (was New Year with CQUAM special of... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=6mr9obo05_Fw3ov3HHDjxlqt35pyWJ_8k7DnuBO6QF9RJToYW1PTklzAcy0gNMda X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In case anyone is interested, I have a simple simulation of a 74AC244 circuit running Class E into a 50 ohm simulated antenna load. The '244 is a more garden variety part than the '16244 and comes in thru-hole. It's nice to have a socketed part. Although not quite as efficient, it puts out 90-plus milliwatts into 50 ohms using 20mAdc from a 5 volt supply. The circuit is tuned for 1,250 kilohertz. Nothing magical about that frequency. The 800 ns. period just made the fractional pulse width calculations easier. The pulse width is 300 ns. which corresponds to 135 degrees. All you Ampliphase fans know the significance of that number. Yes, it's for a Chireax modulation scheme. The simulation runs on SwitchCAD III available for free download from Linear Technology. Let me know if you are interested. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Jan 14 04:57:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63879 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 12:57:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 12:57:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com) (216.252.100.57) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 12:57:26 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 12:57:26 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.29] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 12:57:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.155] by t2.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 12:57:26 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp208.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 12:57:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 992363.39726.bm@omp208.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 15544 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 12:57:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jkVWkGEVM1nKuTd0DuV_RJWzODusKqin4ICFE4CceJTOoVJbfT3ej9O8_xXhIuHL3Q-- X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:57:25 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:57:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <62867.33380.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <30486.15114.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 216.252.100.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=-FvUGSNVcHl2kga3dL-h1x4SCIY1-TM4y9hYR7YaONAXWm6oDlA9 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Exactly! I remember when Coast used to be that interesting almost nightly. It was back when Art used to have the dreamland show. -Kevin --- george russell wrote: > You got my "Amen"! That was the kind of talk radio > that doesn't happen enough. G > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > The Best Coast show I have heard in a long time > was > > the one back around thanksgiving on the Kennedy > > Assasination. They had several people on that > > night. > > Truly great radio! > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > --- george russell wrote: > > > > > I'm trying to figure a way to remote-start my > HiMD > > > to > > > do that...with one 1 gig disc, I could get 35 > > hours > > > (7 > > > days) of Coast! But even at one show per disc, > > > standard MDs are cheaper than decent cassettes. > > > I have an old (ATRAC 2!) MD deck with a > VCR-style > > > timer. I was going to sell it till I discovered > > the > > > timer function...no more missed Coast shows for > > this > > > guy! > > > George > > > --- clemsonbloke > wrote: > > > > > > > Ha true! I do love the format though just > > because > > > > of > > > > the simplicity and editing is a breeze! Most > of > > > all > > > > I > > > > can record up to 4 hours on a disc for talk > > shows. > > > > > > > I > > > > still record on cassettes as well. I can load > > up > > > > two > > > > 90 min tapes in my dual TEAC which records on > > both > > > > sides and get 3 hours but the minidisc wins > out > > > for > > > > talk shows because I can get that 4 full > hours. > > > > Actually the minidisc will record 5.3 hours > > total > > > in > > > > the longest record mode but I only need 4 for > > > Coast > > > > to > > > > Coast! > > > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Possum Hunter > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My > kinda > > > > > people! > > > > > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > > > > > > > > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different > models > > > from > > > > 3 > > > > > different brands > > > > > on their web site for sale. > > > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > “You’re never beaten until you admit it.” - > > > > General > > > > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home > page. > > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Never miss a thing. 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Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Jan 14 05:01:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95022 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 13:01:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 13:01:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bullet.mail.re4.yahoo.com) (206.190.56.21) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 13:01:48 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n2.bullet.re4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 13:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.135] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 13:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp108.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 13:01:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 648027.78964.bm@omp108.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 85340 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 13:01:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QskAxjsVM1k76X8PQNiEkcGUr6FfeVqrZ1jM0g8pj67482XijhTlw2C3cYQg2qw6QXWL6eGe.TMZHCwC4ljlUW4zdQCihQbAOx1il6TcIyePLvmWVlFytHo- X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:01:46 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:01:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <105365.17873.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <518449.81918.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.56.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=hi9IQPzDAhgeHg67a11od7ncLjHO1g9LDh9QxCN_LDRKErvVt4Dy X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Ha sounds interesting to me. Yeah and you know another thing people haven't thought of. The have nots. If the record companies went to all downloading then how would the have nots buy music? Not everyone has the internet and there will always be have nots such as that. Not everyone can afford a computer and internet connection. I agree the sound quality is squashed compared to other sources. They have dumbed down quality for convenience. We've already been down that road before and it was called 8-tracks. While 8 track tapes are sorta old school cool and novelty they were never that great. The thing I hated about them was when the song would fade out in the middle of the song so the machine could flip to the next track while it faded back in! Good lord that drove me nuts! Also all the misalignment issues with that head jerkin up and down all the time! -Kevin --- george russell wrote: > Seems kids today maybe have dumbed-down hearing? > 20,000 songs...the number is impressive, but not the > sound quality. > Also with the I-thing, you have to hook up to a > computer to change anything. MD is so flexible, and > the media so cheap! > I've done entire spots from scratch tracks to > polished > final cut, all on a cheap MD deck. And without > getting splicing tape on my fingers, ha-ha. > I just got a 4-track MD deck, can't wait to explore > all those possibilities. > (Hope to finish reading the ten-pound owner's manual > late this year!) > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > Yeah i've been with the format since 1997 and love > > it. > > These days though kids want to carry around > 20,000 > > songs on an ipod. While that may be convenient > its > > just not the same as physical media. You don't > get > > liner notes, photograpy, etc. The bad part is > when > > the thing crashes and you lose all your songs you > > purchased off itunes. I know kids at school who > > have > > lost extensive collections oila'! That to me is > > just > > nuts. I can't take those kinds of risks with my > > favorite recordings. Now as a broadcasting > student > > about to graduate and I have come to appreciate > > MP3's > > uses but I don't consider it a very "hi-fi" > format. > > In broadcasting though we record our commercial > > spots > > and music beds down in Cool Edit Pro/Adobe > Audition. > > > > It can do the full qualtiy or any type of MP3. > > Usually nowadays people will record a commercial > > this > > way and send it directly to the radio station via > > the > > internet. No more mailing of tapes or CD's. So > > yeah > > it has its convenience. I think MD will hang > around > > a > > good while. Look at DAT, it's still around and > > still > > sold. DAT and MD was just relocated to > > professional/broadcast use. We have still have > > minidisc in our studios at school. We also still > > have > > a reel to reel and cassette. Not to mention we > also > > have old working cart machines and tapes in the > > equipment closet as well as a Digicart (uses the > Zip > > disks). We still get requests from time to time > to > > transfer something from an old tape or cart over > to > > digital so we still drag that stuff out from time > to > > time. I recently converted some 35mm slides to > > digital for the our deparment. I was the only one > > that still had working 35mm slide equipment! Yes > I > > plan to hang on to that stuff, never know when > > you'll > > get requests like that to do stuff and make some > > side > > cash. Well I hope you can find you one of those > $26 > > MD decks, I bought two back before Christmas. > Just > > keep checking, you never know what will pop up for > > sale on the site. Good Luck. > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > --- george russell wrote: > > > > > That's one sweet deal! I paid $150 + ship on my > > > '480, > > > but at $26, I may just get a back-up. > > > Even at the regular price, the 480 is a great > > deck. > > > I > > > like the ATRAC-R > > > bit re-allocation idea, and the scale-factor > > editing > > > has uses, too. > > > For the life of me, I don't know why people > don't > > > "get > > > it"...MD is the coolest format I've used, and > the > > > only > > > one that finally got me out of my > > reel-to-reel-only > > > mood. Sure, computers can do a lot of neat > > editing > > > tricks, but I haven't found one yet that fits in > > my > > > shirt pocket, runs on a cheap battery, and has a > > > top-notch ADC. > > > Long live the little disc with the big sound! > > > George > > > --- clemsonbloke > wrote: > > > > > > > So far Tascam still makes two pro models. > Sony > > > > still > > > > sells the MDS-JE480 for $149 on their site. > Now > > > let > > > > me tell yall this one :o)! Around Christmas > > Sony > > > > put > > > > the MDS-JE480 on their b-stock site on sale > for > > > > $25.99 > > > > and with free shipping and tax added it came > out > > > to > > > > around $26. I bought two of those units. > They > > > may > > > > say b-stock but they dammned well look and > work > > > > brand > > > > new. I couldn't tell any difference at all. > > You > > > > can't beat that for $26 and the free shipping > > they > > > > had > > > > at Christmas. Be sure to look around as they > > > still > > > > put some of those decks up for that price > every > > > now > > > > and then and have free shipping. This deck > runs > > > > $149.99 on the main site and is still sold. > > Sony > > > > runs > > > > some real dirt cheap sales but you gotta check > > it > > > > daily. They get gone, sometimes they only had > > > dirt > > > > cheap decks up for a few hours then they are > > gone > > > so > > > > look out! > > > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > --- hank smith wrote: > > > > > > > > > will they stop making md decs? > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Possum Hunter" > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:44 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My > kinda > > > > > people! > > > > > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > > > > > > > > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different > models > > > from > > > > 3 > > > > > different brands > > > > > on their web site for sale. > > > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > “You’re never beaten until you admit it.” - > > > > General > > > > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Jan 14 05:04:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13221 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 13:04:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 13:04:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.34) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 13:04:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 74173 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 13:04:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Vy21UqIVM1lJD6ViXlzhCy1C361z8KTP4cgKB2wNUYQrK8hpAPjFZpkcP6rvrdgx3g-- X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:04:51 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:04:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <616542.9602.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <537251.74035.qm@web23009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.34 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=SrR6Waa42Ad-Xa5eBJcD5dkpaBopLERypc7SbJwKrzNo-96YY0NV X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I believe that Rolling Stone Minidisc is from around 1992 if its the one I'm thinking about. There was one they put out in the early 90s. Yeah sounds like you got a good deal and you are right, prices are maintaining and rising on pre-recorded MDs. I see that all the time on ebay. I remember the last ones I bought in the late 90s were about $9.99 at Best Buy. I think they run about $10 on ebay and some for much more. I do think prices will rise on them. I'm just glad I bought a couple when they were around! -Kevin --- george russell wrote: > I found a promotional MD put out by Rolling Stone > Magazine, called "Rolling Stone:Turn it Up" at a > yard > sale a couple months ago. Got it for a quarter, the > lady didn't know what to play it back on. Also got > "MiniDisc Sampler" that Sony put out when I won an > MZ-1 (original "brick") on Ebay. And last year, a > guy > at the flea market gave up on MD, and sold me a box > of > 32 new pre-records, still sealed in the plastic, for > $20! > This might be a good area to collect in, as the > price > may rise in coming years? > Yes, that site seems to have given up, not much news > on there since the MZ-RH1 came out. > George > George > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > Yep I know that site well. Too bad they don't > > update > > it anymore. I haven't seen much updated on it in > a > > while. There were some other sister sites but I > > don't > > recall their addresses. I forgot to say. I have > a > > couple of pre-recorded MD's as well. They weren't > > around that long but I bought a few when they were > > just for fun. > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > --- george russell wrote: > > > > > If I recall correctly, Standard MD is 326 > kb/sec, > > > lp-2 > > > is 132, and LP-4 is 66. In 4, it is mixed > stereo, > > > some of the seperation is given up to leave more > > > bits > > > for better definition. > > > Check out www.minidisc.org they have all the > > > answers...great site! > > > George > > > --- hank smith wrote: > > > > > > > what is the sampling rate on the 4 hour mode? > > > > can I get a sample of what that soujnds like? > > > > 320 kbps mp3 file > > > > that is high enuph that I won't loose any > major > > > > transcoding. > > > > I know the longer you get with md the poorer > the > > > > sound quality gets > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: clemsonbloke > > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:17 PM > > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > > > > > > > > > > Ha true! I do love the format though just > > > because > > > > of > > > > the simplicity and editing is a breeze! Most > > of > > > > all I > > > > can record up to 4 hours on a disc for talk > > > shows. > > > > I > > > > still record on cassettes as well. I can > load > > up > > > > two > > > > 90 min tapes in my dual TEAC which records > on > > > both > > > > sides and get 3 hours but the minidisc wins > > out > > > > for > > > > talk shows because I can get that 4 full > > hours. > > > > Actually the minidisc will record 5.3 hours > > > total > > > > in > > > > the longest record mode but I only need 4 > for > > > > Coast to > > > > Coast! > > > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > --- Possum Hunter > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george > russell > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My > > kinda > > > > > people! > > > > > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > > > > > > > > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different > > models > > > > from 3 > > > > > different brands > > > > > on their web site for sale. > > > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > "You're never beaten until you admit it." > - > > > > General > > > > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > Never miss a thing. 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Jan 14 05:06:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26690 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 13:06:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 13:06:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.236.51) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 13:06:25 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.28] by n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 13:06:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.142] by t1.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 13:06:25 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 13:06:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 203013.28535.bm@omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 64870 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 13:06:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OlagWWQVM1mKU9OsUmEqVJkIyi8_BosLm4_b7yfP7hv2I5uUKvNUMQ8cgYuP9lGEBrqnpvkPkn8_EQ6PDBu_ED6CRQylz8mtBbuTBrmhlRt8eD_S7qAbRbc- X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:06:24 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:06:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002701c85671$e3aa2150$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <306121.55679.qm@web23008.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.236.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=42mKVZEXzroMFODsBaUZ5g_h5VLZEUC7GwNI0sxHsxXxB6Ktpuuk X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke It's about the same as any other MD deck as far as Menu's are considered. It's all the same menu's and works the same way. My older MDS-JB920 has the same menu's. -Kevin --- hank smith wrote: > how minue driven is the unit? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "george russell" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:44 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > > That's one sweet deal! I paid $150 + ship on my > '480, > > but at $26, I may just get a back-up. > > Even at the regular price, the 480 is a great > deck. I > > like the ATRAC-R > > bit re-allocation idea, and the scale-factor > editing > > has uses, too. > > For the life of me, I don't know why people don't > "get > > it"...MD is the coolest format I've used, and the > only > > one that finally got me out of my > reel-to-reel-only > > mood. Sure, computers can do a lot of neat > editing > > tricks, but I haven't found one yet that fits in > my > > shirt pocket, runs on a cheap battery, and has a > > top-notch ADC. > > Long live the little disc with the big sound! > > George > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > >> So far Tascam still makes two pro models. Sony > >> still > >> sells the MDS-JE480 for $149 on their site. Now > let > >> me tell yall this one :o)! Around Christmas Sony > >> put > >> the MDS-JE480 on their b-stock site on sale for > >> $25.99 > >> and with free shipping and tax added it came out > to > >> around $26. I bought two of those units. They > may > >> say b-stock but they dammned well look and work > >> brand > >> new. I couldn't tell any difference at all. You > >> can't beat that for $26 and the free shipping > they > >> had > >> at Christmas. Be sure to look around as they > still > >> put some of those decks up for that price every > now > >> and then and have free shipping. This deck runs > >> $149.99 on the main site and is still sold. Sony > >> runs > >> some real dirt cheap sales but you gotta check it > >> daily. They get gone, sometimes they only had > dirt > >> cheap decks up for a few hours then they are gone > so > >> look out! > >> > >> -Kevin > >> > >> > >> --- hank smith wrote: > >> > >> > will they stop making md decs? > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Possum Hunter" > > >> > To: > >> > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:44 PM > >> > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell > wrote: > >> > > >> > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Jan 14 05:07:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63472 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 13:07:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 13:07:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.127.221) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 13:07:28 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 13:07:27 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 13:07:27 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 13:07:27 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.28] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 13:07:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.144] by t1.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 13:07:27 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp202.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 13:07:27 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 540846.57144.bm@omp202.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 19669 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 13:07:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tAsx4LMVM1k5xtFUbGsPEfgkU0aQ0.MGUne8L4Dayr20VfCqexj0rw1Mo9xRXExpS.EPpJDQYEdy8TA_aCCZYMJ4gd8WGojyyvvf3wtzTbea42huv21uCP0- X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:07:26 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:07:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003001c85672$0fadad80$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <547783.19128.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.127.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=STjqUsgoGPlI75HNWI0udjEM3eWAfPGn1Hh0yjsZ4KV9KFMGQMaB X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Well ATRAC is supposed to only mask material that is unaudible to the human ear. At least that was their mantra back in the day. -Kevin --- hank smith wrote: > it didn't sound half bad > actually I couldn't notice any loss > one way to test this run the music threw > devocalizers > if it is compressed 160 or lower trust me you will > notice it. > I didn't notice it at 132 kbps > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:47 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > Not sure, when they were ATRAC it was 132 kb/sec, > MDLP-2. > My guess would be 128 or worse! > > --- hank smith wrote: > > > what bitrate in mp3? > > and what about all the drm music I purchased? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: george russell > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 9:54 PM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > > > > Well, the JE-480 was Sony's last (non-Hi) MD > deck, > > and > > the MZ-M200 aka MZ-RH10 was their last portable, > > and > > they seem to have no plans to make anymore of > > either, > > nor have they announced any future models. Sony > > has > > even dropped ATRAC on their Connect download > > service, > > bowing to MP3. Hope I'm wrong, but seems the > > writing > > is on the wall. > > > > As for the HBB and Tascam stuff, those models > have > > been out a while, > > may be last of stock, too. Marantz made a great > > pro > > portable, too, but have dropped it in favor of > > hard-drive and flash memory based stuff. > > > > Sadly, even after Sony developed HiMD, they > never > > made > > a deck for it. > > Only one out is made by Onkyo. > > > > The station I hang out at occasionally still > uses > > MD, > > as do I'm sure a lot of others, maybe their > > loyalty > > will buy it some more time? Hope so! > > > > There is a great site for MD, www.minidisc.org > > > > They have specs, manual downloads, even an > > animation > > of how the HiMD optics works...pretty cool > stuff! > > > > Regards, > > > > George > > > > --- Possum Hunter > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 7:25 PM, hank smith wrote: > > > > > > > will they stop making md decs? > > > > > > One of these days, I am sure they will, but I > > think > > > it will be a > > > while. MDs are pretty popular in radio and in > > the > > > consumer market in > > > other countries. > > > > > > Kevin > > > "You're never beaten until you admit it." - > > General > > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > Yahoo! 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Jan 14 05:09:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92021 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 13:09:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 13:09:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bullet.mail.re4.yahoo.com) (206.190.56.24) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 13:09:00 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n5.bullet.re4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 13:08:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.154] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 13:08:59 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp207.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 13:08:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 861217.60987.bm@omp207.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 95573 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 13:08:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Erl1N5QVM1m.uMkHyaSLf3fdS.VHdbQe9ri753coBblQTRpNq0HZQ6eT0Gp2b0eWhAh902XpYKP26t5_64sAA0Osv3tTgHTHNEfpoofALLu9 X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:08:58 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:08:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <943920.63620.qm@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <901630.95534.qm@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.56.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=dQcNcLKrsrAz8ETvGOgasQoA4YGZfT8byS_-UmgC99F6vtyi1eY5 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I'd hang on to the Hi-MD I think. I never bought into Hi-MD but had I done that I wouldn't be selling it. Excellent piece of technology to hold onto. -Kevin --- george russell wrote: > I might. I didn't get on the MD wagon until 2005, > and > came in with HiMD. (MZ-M100). Once I realized what > I > could do with MD, I went on a buying spree! Now > have > the HiMD, a CD/MD bookshelf system, a Denon pro > rack-mount, 3 decks, a Sony 4-tracker, and a bunch > of > portables. I fell for this format hook, line, and > sinker! > May need to thin the herd, soon, though, and I'll > let > you know. > George > > > > --- hank smith wrote: > > > if you ever want to cell any of your md stuff let > me > > know > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: george russell > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:37 PM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > > > > I'm trying to figure a way to remote-start my > HiMD > > to > > do that...with one 1 gig disc, I could get 35 > > hours (7 > > days) of Coast! But even at one show per disc, > > standard MDs are cheaper than decent cassettes. > > I have an old (ATRAC 2!) MD deck with a > VCR-style > > timer. I was going to sell it till I discovered > > the > > timer function...no more missed Coast shows for > > this > > guy! > > George > > --- clemsonbloke > wrote: > > > > > Ha true! I do love the format though just > > because > > > of > > > the simplicity and editing is a breeze! Most > of > > all > > > I > > > can record up to 4 hours on a disc for talk > > shows. > > > I > > > still record on cassettes as well. I can load > up > > > two > > > 90 min tapes in my dual TEAC which records on > > both > > > sides and get 3 hours but the minidisc wins > out > > for > > > talk shows because I can get that 4 full > hours. > > > Actually the minidisc will record 5.3 hours > > total in > > > the longest record mode but I only need 4 for > > Coast > > > to > > > Coast! > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > --- Possum Hunter > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george russell > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My > kinda > > > > people! > > > > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > > > > > > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different > models > > from > > > 3 > > > > different brands > > > > on their web site for sale. > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > "You're never beaten until you admit it." - > > > General > > > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 05:56:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20735 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 13:56:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 13:56:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 13:56:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 79469 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 13:56:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: o2c8tZYVM1lGI0j1GDw5MwOchfeHmf783sALTP_bJjtsAamvioeWPNQpgL_3XRSoipsdOYQcqfJVePuSvVaku9IGzYMc6mcgE0JFrFh630lO7y388P4QaPmc6w-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:56:00 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:56:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <1104.77549.qm@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Ax2B1391qrpjVfy0bMrQGnFkQq5TxswE6mS2-zOpNXP0GYKb_S82I-Y X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Mike asked: "Are you saying that you can transmit something other than voice over an amatuer radio station?" NO, you cannot transmit music anymore, but you can transmit stereo voice. The commercial radio stations are the ones that asked the FRC/FCC to prohibit music from hams, as the FIRST music radio stations were hams playing records on their Victrolas for the neighbors! Just like the NAB these days trying to derail satellite radio. I wonder what would happen if the hams asked the FCC for permission to broadcast music again? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 07:17:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9315 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 15:17:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 15:17:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.160) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 15:17:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 76477 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 15:17:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0xNxGc0VM1mvwS6JqyXDIpxy7NYqNIx16DlqpuAN43zPRId7JmKIdpUuAtPhzK6r7XrzCW7qMw-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.9] by web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:17:17 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:17:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <214230.47624.qm@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <912721.75092.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=HwG2364Nl06mLJ0sRgNzsXOWlCGm1IJwgyTvR1Daxgs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- george russell wrote: > Cool! Glad somebody still makes them. I wish they > would do more with HiMD, I like the option of > un-compressed PCM. (not that ATRAC sounds bad, at > 64 > kb/sec it sounds better than MP3 at 128) > George You CAN record HiMD on a regular MD. But you then can NO LONGER use it in a regular MD device. You CAN'T even erase it. You then have to put it BACK in a HiMD machine and erase and RE-record something in regular mode on that machine to recover the disk. I know this from experience. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Jan 14 08:38:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51881 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 16:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 16:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 16:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from dialup-4.226.81.210.dial1.dallas1.level3.net ([4.226.81.210]) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1JESKn-00036V-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:38:49 -0500 Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1104.77549.qm@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:38:46 -0600 References: <1104.77549.qm@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=C0y51oj-GEBWXEmusv8oqKIXrcZoWrnb87AkTssRvmJTEsCblMchRbPLmG7CdQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jan 14, 2008, at 7:56 AM, John P. wrote: > I wonder what would happen if the hams asked the FCC for permission=20=20 > to broadcast music again? That would be loads of FUN. Perhaps they could give 11 Meters back to=20=20 the hams for music. I have heard Hams on the AM Phone nets with=20=20 Singing Jingles of their call letters. Most are Pams Re-Sings done by=20=20 Ken R. Productions. Kevin =93You=92re never beaten until you admit it.=94 - General George S. Patton = Jr. From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 10:50:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10302 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 18:50:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 18:50:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.162) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 18:50:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4670 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 18:50:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0AKvih4VM1kYGKwN8afQAuBYhsdbhRgfSR_rhkcDBArsSrzjbbtj9fgHcxJ_hTlMRoM9Pt6gNg-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:50:08 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:50:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <531874.3064.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=DeSngJp_pXU2UuVhfm7hStNYqMu_mT-1z4mhO6LhNI8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > On Jan 14, 2008, at 7:56 AM, John P. wrote: > > > I wonder what would happen if the hams asked the > FCC for permission > > to broadcast music again? > > That would be loads of FUN. Perhaps they could give > 11 Meters back to > the hams for music. I have heard Hams on the AM > Phone nets with > Singing Jingles of their call letters. Most are Pams > Re-Sings done by > Ken R. Productions. Which no longer exists, and Pams stuff is now owned by Jams. Ken R is out of the business. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Jan 14 11:03:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68477 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 19:03:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 19:03:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 19:03:35 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cfc.2713ec68 (37685) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:03:29 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-mb08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB081-9335478bb1ff114; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:03:28 -0500 Message-ID: <005201c856e0$3417fef0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:03:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=9Ku-wUR0ekCvJuIn9SBLsCh12_H79fEu5m5DjPq5isG63S-qg_m7 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how do I get it to the group? ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:14 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > hmmm > I have a file of what sounds like stereo ham band activity just remimbered about this one > art bell had it on his site a while back > called > ben.mp3 > any one interested? > btw it is really funny. > Hank I'm curious. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Jan 14 11:08:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59197 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 19:08:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 19:08:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 19:08:06 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d5a.1b609399 (37666) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:07:21 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-mb07.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB078-9322478bb2e73b7; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:07:20 -0500 Message-ID: <007f01c856e0$c1d03550$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <1104.77549.qm@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:07:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=V5mGvsEJNgg2BifB2N7go1rgnipuX94JY630WngwzpFh95RkxXaw X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit they probably would say no ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 5:56 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew Mike asked: "Are you saying that you can transmit something other than voice over an amatuer radio station?" NO, you cannot transmit music anymore, but you can transmit stereo voice. The commercial radio stations are the ones that asked the FRC/FCC to prohibit music from hams, as the FIRST music radio stations were hams playing records on their Victrolas for the neighbors! Just like the NAB these days trying to derail satellite radio. I wonder what would happen if the hams asked the FCC for permission to broadcast music again? __________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Jan 14 12:42:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98768 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 20:42:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 20:42:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.134) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 20:42:46 -0000 X-Received: from dialup-4.232.237.37.dial1.losangeles1.level3.net ([4.232.237.37]) by dickinson.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1JEW8q-0005ux-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:42:45 -0500 Message-Id: <8CE49A30-2200-4201-AC19-FEE906598135@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <531874.3064.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:42:42 -0600 References: <531874.3064.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=xyu_5jGYgDHEB9widX7oBXz3xhbvS0qXYXlD2vsyhqOWKKlhWl-ymHXTVBuIUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jan 14, 2008, at 12:50 PM, Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > Ken R is out of the business. Yup, he retired in 2005. Kevin =93You=92re never beaten until you admit it.=94 - General George S. Patton = Jr. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 12:50:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30235 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 20:50:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 20:50:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.244) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 20:50:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25374 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 20:50:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZbR46hwVM1lzvIbQKS35_auxuP0erqlAoIHCAxr6.hIP_oIQrGWs3ZnUmj7XZ2ocyO3uURic4gy5_zQqV0pDiBeovb7H083Gd1NyL6XJmtzM1H4_IBY- X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:50:32 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:50:32 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <007f01c856e0$c1d03550$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <262362.24594.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=noTnkO7umtxMpmcfvCGldfnup37lBE6rB_J8Um7Onva0iMfp8PU6 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Remember the old Novice question pool where one of the answers to one of the questions was: (music can only be played) above 1280MHz. Maybe stick music up on microwaves but I can't think of any practical application playing music would have in amateur radio other than IDs & the national anthem. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 (V31VQ renewal still pending) hank smith wrote: they probably would say no ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 5:56 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew Mike asked: "Are you saying that you can transmit something other than voice over an amatuer radio station?" NO, you cannot transmit music anymore, but you can transmit stereo voice. The commercial radio stations are the ones that asked the FRC/FCC to prohibit music from hams, as the FIRST music radio stations were hams playing records on their Victrolas for the neighbors! Just like the NAB these days trying to derail satellite radio. I wonder what would happen if the hams asked the FCC for permission to broadcast music again? __________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 12:51:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59050 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 20:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 20:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.143) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 20:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n16.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 20:51:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 20:51:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 20:51:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:51:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.19.170 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=nB_gln-89ruXx45skqzzoAKojZqoqP2DL3oZA7ubz9cknpDU X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Don't be surprised to hear Art Bell claim he recently work Elvis on 80 meters=20 > in AMS.=20 Don't get me started on Art... :P I knew him before he went national- He thought I was crazy to say there even is such a thing as AM stereo. :P =20 > Is AMS transmission permissible by the FCC regulations for ham bands? It's=20 > not exactly an A3 transmission. It's a form of quadrature AM transmission. Since quadrature AM (including AM ISB as well as any AM/PM and AM/NFM combinations) aren't even given separate classifications- They'd still be A3, as long as no interference is caused or power exceeded. > By something other than voice, I meant music, etc..=20=20 Other than sound effects (as far as I know- others could confirm), music is allowed only if it's part of a NASA rebroadcast. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 12:55:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90487 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 20:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 20:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 20:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 20:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 20:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 20:55:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:55:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005201c856e0$3417fef0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.19.170 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=kia7tF6CplY6c-2xcRMWwvRYlBQjktAJRCepZRw_NguMfMDj X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > how do I get it to the group? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 12:57:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8106 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 20:57:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 20:57:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 20:57:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 83157 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 20:57:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BSP7acUVM1nHnfII1e4C00SwIxb6nd5P3P1q0XpmU.6b.1PEA4_IbD4PYpwiKsD.PIKkoznr7KRrRL3A0s9iYtCBSsmhnzrjxZErjoNlLA_4PmtDbY4- X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:57:10 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:57:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002501c8568c$999ef200$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <622084.82615.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=FcI1JSExhA2urVrn56447gSJP7RtwUDVG3WVOiG8O0DYihr36V7z X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a link to I believe a station ID of WA2FNQ from www.amwindow.org. http://www.amwindow.org/audio/htm/wa2fnq.htm hank smith wrote: hmmm I have a file of what sounds like stereo ham band activity just remimbered about this one art bell had it on his site a while back called ben.mp3 any one interested? btw it is really funny. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:01 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > Hi Amy, > > Sorry for the late reply. Sometimes I don't get to keep up with things. > > Yes... 3.710 MHz in AM stereo. Always. > > Jerry WA2FNQ Great! :) Someday, someone's gonna have to upload a new MP3 of AMS on the ham bands, like yours, just to prove AMS is still alive and in use. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 12:59:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11391 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 20:59:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 20:59:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.213) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 20:59:50 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 20:59:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 20:59:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 20:59:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:59:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <262362.24594.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.19.170 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=x99YmvkSu8GnzvVWCzH2XV_3F_r1jbq_bXzmcJKdosy3C0_v X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Remember the old Novice question pool where one of the answers to one of the questions was: (music can only be played) above 1280MHz.=20 Maybe stick music up on microwaves but I can't think of any practical application playing music would have in amateur radio other than IDs & the national anthem. >=20=20=20=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 (V31VQ renewal still pending) Shuttle/ISS wakeup calls, which may contain MUSIC, are ALLOWED for rebroadcast by hams. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 13:04:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92543 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 21:04:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 21:04:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.235) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 21:04:37 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 21:04:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 21:04:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 21:04:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:04:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <622084.82615.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.19.170 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=ZxrcZF6D9j8xIB9tDrccp8ivez8lSgFDgkZBT8mlQOetGsmn X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Here's a link to I believe a station ID of WA2FNQ from www.amwindow.org. http://www.amwindow.org/audio/htm/wa2fnq.htm This is already up at the AMS Archive as MP3. I provided a TinyURL link to it earlier. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 13:14:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30128 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 21:14:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 21:14:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.230) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 21:14:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44371 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 21:14:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MoAGMDkVM1lc201t.ALI760Nr56yUbNGt9ixnhc3rHDl9p69wOUpq0b2x7CK1UwPiuppBvpSc3M7w7CJvEG1y6VRl5h.S7K0xl1R8vi097mIK57DYw-- X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:14:52 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:14:52 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <944516.44289.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=Qqr57wKYb9x_M7aO-AyuBsok7PWKunSHMx_ioW4EklivdfR4OKvz X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know but I thought we were talking more about amateur stations originating music. Amy Mousie wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Remember the old Novice question pool where one of the answers to one of the questions was: (music can only be played) above 1280MHz. Maybe stick music up on microwaves but I can't think of any practical application playing music would have in amateur radio other than IDs & the national anthem. > > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 (V31VQ renewal still pending) Shuttle/ISS wakeup calls, which may contain MUSIC, are ALLOWED for rebroadcast by hams. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 13:26:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74809 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 21:26:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 21:26:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.143) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 21:26:14 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 21:26:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 21:26:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 21:26:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:26:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <944516.44289.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.7.16 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=N6Iq9DAoIe_mS0M7F5sCUgOoLimcwOvVMS3IbOI_7oGs7vd- X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > I know but I thought we were talking more about amateur stations originating music. I know. As far as I know, that's the only exception to the no-music rule. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 14:06:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29494 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 22:06:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 22:06:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.164) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 22:06:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4139 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 22:06:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GoQErOcVM1m.JJ8b3vCdJH_WGS1w9.MfFVzOUPu8 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:06:44 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:06:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <560700.2026.qm@web33515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=SsfK340pGNxqtaEaUrIKxoQruuSOZ8jvasdSGgRVMUJP1E-RPf332yE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio PWIII W4OPW wrote: > Ken R is out of the business. Ken R lives in town here, and indicated to me that he was out of the jingle business, but now he's writing articles for Radio World when he feels like it. He also said that he's dropping his middle initial "R" - (must be some sort of a mid-life crisis) and is just going by Ken Deutch. He's a real decent 'radio guy' - I remember him being on the air for 3 days straight at our local AM during the "Blizzard of '78" as he was stranded at the station, back in the full-service days! (never did add AMS there) J ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 14:09:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55380 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 22:09:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 22:09:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.234) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 22:09:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 60191 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 22:09:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jO_XoN4VM1ntMWnGE.l7Tw93EuX39TOkcnWyftpKlKqErTehVi62f0tiaHbE8XkrMK2XWhp5ttae9BjDTqQs_Z82rsB_j6Qm.TeS8B8jLjuNAshRqqw- X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:09:24 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:09:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <793330.60015.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=a8vaM2AzmFWOV3-rEK5QHL2DUua1o-XULrD13mVRwl6p8lIgNzMZ X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah, but what about the P.W. Mobile song? Amy Mousie wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Here's a link to I believe a station ID of WA2FNQ from www.amwindow.org. http://www.amwindow.org/audio/htm/wa2fnq.htm This is already up at the AMS Archive as MP3. I provided a TinyURL link to it earlier. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 14:19:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89459 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 22:19:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 22:19:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.131) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 22:19:02 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 22:19:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 22:19:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 22:19:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:19:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <793330.60015.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.7.16 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=FyfOp0986srmcKEDCEDSrridgwWpChSVNwbcOIPEmgRSt_uy X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Ah, but what about the P.W. Mobile song?=20=20 Eh?? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 14:45:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49292 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 22:45:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 22:45:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.230) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 22:45:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17556 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 22:45:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nFXTgKgVM1lvUjYporD9NL5.Xj9Mc.6syYpYmiUWuAM7lpTRZwvKTTJ07.DrnSlJPg-- X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:45:21 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:45:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <798049.17414.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=00_shQkxPGRk0VWvWZ5rMVhnbMsvaNKfn_XDMdSWkXC2Y0zE0MQe X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's on the A.M. Window site. It's an amusing song about the trials of operating (AM) mobile with something akin to the mobile rig I use: a Radio Shack HTX-10 (7 Watts of carrier on A.M.). Look in the "A-V" section "...My mo-bile rig's so yellowy [weak, low-powered] I can't even blow a fuse." Amy Mousie wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Ah, but what about the P.W. Mobile song? Eh?? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 15:13:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83327 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 23:13:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 23:13:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 23:13:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20025 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 23:13:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ab_ZGCQVM1lMnWtpMIeyIAczqO.8XYm5rXi5uSGStqTWI_YDYa4jzoSJ4E_Sl4wNJXp9FnlsiQ-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:13:19 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:13:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <793330.60015.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <52960.18633.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=3MfN21qmo4Tdp7Qs6haHQt6SHSchoi5thCxtoTalydQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- JNR wrote: > Ah, but what about the P.W. Mobile song? Where do you think the idea of W4OPW came from ??? Oh, PISS WEAK!! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 15:28:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65471 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 23:28:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 23:28:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 23:28:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26214 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 23:28:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: a74dLYMVM1nqhoB8TYV5evHrtvcOpnUzS_nQq.0wh5HHs7xwT6__McbDEvO1FkyZBg-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:28:36 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:28:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <916681.24691.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} DIY Vacuum Tubes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=AcYW3gVSpOfRnOyfa_d-YvjugUfsDBHMR4zxWosm8V42PQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Oh, you bet I will! I am having dinner with him Thursday evening, and it will be the first topic on the agenda. Maybe now that he's been out of the employ of Uncle Sam for a while, he will loosen up a bit...but I won't hold my breath. George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/13/08 10:56:29 PM Central > Standard Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Oh boy, you brought up Wright-Pat? > > As your Dad about the building the black top roof > with parking stripes > painted on it that is shown to be a parking lot on > all the base layouts. > > Mike > > > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 15:31:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68185 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 23:31:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 23:31:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.203) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 23:31:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 70078 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 23:31:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _YAqKlcVM1k996KHj._JWVuCqY8vT2km7ze_ZXkj_zfwU3TDLNhoHA9Ii_MnxMzOYqnxNOmP70qiXxN1cGpJtpHJoyWiELQ6OQe9PIwnjU7SFONa.0E- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:31:10 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:31:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <30486.15114.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <447774.68744.qm@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=TLDSW_jr2i0_v21yGl1EvkXzhURLSwclULFagTTdRVJefw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Ah yes, from the high desert, and the kingdom of knye! Coast is one of the main things keeping night-time AM alive, I bet. George --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Exactly! I remember when Coast used to be that > interesting almost nightly. It was back when Art > used > to have the dreamland show. > > > -Kevin > > > > --- george russell wrote: > > > You got my "Amen"! That was the kind of talk > radio > > that doesn't happen enough. G > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > > > The Best Coast show I have heard in a long time > > was > > > the one back around thanksgiving on the Kennedy > > > Assasination. They had several people on that > > > night. > > > Truly great radio! > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > --- george russell wrote: > > > > > > > I'm trying to figure a way to remote-start my > > HiMD > > > > to > > > > do that...with one 1 gig disc, I could get 35 > > > hours > > > > (7 > > > > days) of Coast! But even at one show per > disc, > > > > standard MDs are cheaper than decent > cassettes. > > > > I have an old (ATRAC 2!) MD deck with a > > VCR-style > > > > timer. I was going to sell it till I > discovered > > > the > > > > timer function...no more missed Coast shows > for > > > this > > > > guy! > > > > George > > > > --- clemsonbloke > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ha true! I do love the format though just > > > because > > > > > of > > > > > the simplicity and editing is a breeze! > Most > > of > > > > all > > > > > I > > > > > can record up to 4 hours on a disc for talk > > > shows. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > still record on cassettes as well. I can > load > > > up > > > > > two > > > > > 90 min tapes in my dual TEAC which records > on > > > both > > > > > sides and get 3 hours but the minidisc wins > > out > > > > for > > > > > talk shows because I can get that 4 full > > hours. > > > > > Actually the minidisc will record 5.3 hours > > > total > > > > in > > > > > the longest record mode but I only need 4 > for > > > > Coast > > > > > to > > > > > Coast! > > > > > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Possum Hunter > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george > russell > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My > > kinda > > > > > > people! > > > > > > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different > > models > > > > from > > > > > 3 > > > > > > different brands > > > > > > on their web site for sale. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > “You’re never beaten until you admit it.” > - > > > > > General > > > > > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home > > page. > > > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home > page. > > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon Jan 14 15:36:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 91084 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 23:36:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 23:36:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.190) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 23:36:38 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 23:36:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 23:36:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2008 23:36:38 -0000 Date: 14 Jan 2008 23:36:36 -0000 Message-ID: <1200353796.555.3815.w102@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /FCC Citation for Excessive Ground Lead Length.doc Uploaded by : grant_at_hardscrapple Description : FCC Part 15 Citation You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/FCC%20Citation%20for%20Excessive%20Ground%20Lead%20Length.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, grant_at_hardscrapple From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 14 15:54:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13605 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 23:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 23:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 23:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bfd.25b3ac24 (37532) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:54:18 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-de16 (webmail-de16.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.37]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB015-929c478bf62a362; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:54:18 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:54:18 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <916681.24691.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33706-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-de16.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.37) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:54:18 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA251FE967B6AD-180-2A2F@webmail-de16.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: FCC Citation for Part 15 Violation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=_KD3g-w6aMNSegnwlbjYSzHn_tfcHmDYLsr4Ekq4RfvMaMoR-MHRKRE59Bm7ZNjs X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I would not have thunk it, but the FCC actually cited someone for having a legal antenna and transmitter?with an excessively long ground lead.? No interference.? No complaint.? No other violations. My guess is he had a legal antenna with a transmitter at the base?of a short tower or mast as he was also a ham.? It didn't say weither the ground lead was an actual lead or the support structure itself. Still, it sounds alittle nit-picky as the guy obviously made a good faith effort at compliance. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 15:56:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92735 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2008 23:56:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2008 23:56:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.206) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2008 23:56:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38469 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2008 23:56:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YYqjRWcVM1lOspLuxEYBKKT3_c0qHErHzLMHnLXv2C.tFAEHCokvSDLQ5LoCsOdshrRdFlmBZL1n.g.Pcj3T0fb59oalCZTLdUH4Sd8XG5dJ__EPJ18- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:56:02 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:56:02 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <518449.81918.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <238909.38054.qm@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=kKOBmFLsIJAohSzp6RTRP6g58_idQofE1kXZYLy-a373WA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Good point! I went through a "have-not" period in my own life, so I can really relate to it. (This isn't even my computer, a friend let's me use it daily in exchange for caring for his kitties.) There will always be a place for an actual hard-copy of sound, I think, unless computers get as cheap and small as typical players...never mind the hook-up fee. 8-tracks! Hahahahah! Oh man, those were a royal pain. When Earl Muntz came out with his 4-track, which kinda begat the 8-track, he was adapting a proven broadcast medium to a job for which it wasn't quite as well suited. What is a typical cart, about 70 seconds of tape? (I know, they made longer ones, but not for jingles or spots) To get a salable amount of music on one, there are just too many layers of tape rubbing against each other, and that horrid switch-over. Yeah, I remember songs fading out for the jump, and a few cheap tapes that didn't even bother to fade...just CLICK! Remember liking one particular song on a tape, and having to jump tracks and wait several minutes to replay it? Kinda made 10-inch reel seem like rapid access! 8-track COULD have sounded better than cassette, as it ran twice the speed, but with all the other problems, and cassette's rapid improvement, it was doomed...thankfully! George --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Ha sounds interesting to me. Yeah and you know > another thing people haven't thought of. The have > nots. If the record companies went to all > downloading > then how would the have nots buy music? Not > everyone > has the internet and there will always be have nots > such as that. Not everyone can afford a computer > and > internet connection. I agree the sound quality is > squashed compared to other sources. They have > dumbed > down quality for convenience. We've already been > down > that road before and it was called 8-tracks. While > 8 > track tapes are sorta old school cool and novelty > they > were never that great. The thing I hated about them > was when the song would fade out in the middle of > the > song so the machine could flip to the next track > while > it faded back in! Good lord that drove me nuts! > Also > all the misalignment issues with that head jerkin up > and down all the time! > > -Kevin > > > --- george russell wrote: > > > Seems kids today maybe have dumbed-down hearing? > > 20,000 songs...the number is impressive, but not > the > > sound quality. > > Also with the I-thing, you have to hook up to a > > computer to change anything. MD is so flexible, > and > > the media so cheap! > > I've done entire spots from scratch tracks to > > polished > > final cut, all on a cheap MD deck. And without > > getting splicing tape on my fingers, ha-ha. > > I just got a 4-track MD deck, can't wait to > explore > > all those possibilities. > > (Hope to finish reading the ten-pound owner's > manual > > late this year!) > > > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > > > Yeah i've been with the format since 1997 and > love > > > it. > > > These days though kids want to carry around > > 20,000 > > > songs on an ipod. While that may be convenient > > its > > > just not the same as physical media. You don't > > get > > > liner notes, photograpy, etc. The bad part is > > when > > > the thing crashes and you lose all your songs > you > > > purchased off itunes. I know kids at school who > > > have > > > lost extensive collections oila'! That to me is > > > just > > > nuts. I can't take those kinds of risks with my > > > favorite recordings. Now as a broadcasting > > student > > > about to graduate and I have come to appreciate > > > MP3's > > > uses but I don't consider it a very "hi-fi" > > format. > > > In broadcasting though we record our commercial > > > spots > > > and music beds down in Cool Edit Pro/Adobe > > Audition. > > > > > > It can do the full qualtiy or any type of MP3. > > > Usually nowadays people will record a commercial > > > this > > > way and send it directly to the radio station > via > > > the > > > internet. No more mailing of tapes or CD's. So > > > yeah > > > it has its convenience. I think MD will hang > > around > > > a > > > good while. Look at DAT, it's still around and > > > still > > > sold. DAT and MD was just relocated to > > > professional/broadcast use. We have still have > > > minidisc in our studios at school. We also > still > > > have > > > a reel to reel and cassette. Not to mention we > > also > > > have old working cart machines and tapes in the > > > equipment closet as well as a Digicart (uses the > > Zip > > > disks). We still get requests from time to time > > to > > > transfer something from an old tape or cart over > > to > > > digital so we still drag that stuff out from > time > > to > > > time. I recently converted some 35mm slides to > > > digital for the our deparment. I was the only > one > > > that still had working 35mm slide equipment! > Yes > > I > > > plan to hang on to that stuff, never know when > > > you'll > > > get requests like that to do stuff and make some > > > side > > > cash. Well I hope you can find you one of those > > $26 > > > MD decks, I bought two back before Christmas. > > Just > > > keep checking, you never know what will pop up > for > > > sale on the site. Good Luck. > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > --- george russell wrote: > > > > > > > That's one sweet deal! I paid $150 + ship on > my > > > > '480, > > > > but at $26, I may just get a back-up. > > > > Even at the regular price, the 480 is a great > > > deck. > > > > I > > > > like the ATRAC-R > > > > bit re-allocation idea, and the scale-factor > > > editing > > > > has uses, too. > > > > For the life of me, I don't know why people > > don't > > > > "get > > > > it"...MD is the coolest format I've used, and > > the > > > > only > > > > one that finally got me out of my > > > reel-to-reel-only > > > > mood. Sure, computers can do a lot of neat > > > editing > > > > tricks, but I haven't found one yet that fits > in > > > my > > > > shirt pocket, runs on a cheap battery, and has > a > > > > top-notch ADC. > > > > Long live the little disc with the big sound! > > > > George > > > > --- clemsonbloke > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > So far Tascam still makes two pro models. > > Sony > > > > > still > > > > > sells the MDS-JE480 for $149 on their site. > > Now > > > > let > > > > > me tell yall this one :o)! Around Christmas > > > Sony > > > > > put > > > > > the MDS-JE480 on their b-stock site on sale > > for > > > > > $25.99 > > > > > and with free shipping and tax added it came > > out > > > > to > > > > > around $26. I bought two of those units. > > They > > > > may > > > > > say b-stock but they dammned well look and > > work > > > > > brand > > > > > new. I couldn't tell any difference at all. > > > > You > > > > > can't beat that for $26 and the free > shipping > > > they > > > > > had > > > > > at Christmas. Be sure to look around as > they > > > > still > > > > > put some of those decks up for that price > > every > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Jan 14 16:06:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18642 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 00:06:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 00:06:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 00:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c79.25d730c6 (34979) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:06:32 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA084-88a3478bf90538d; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:06:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c8570a$926a7940$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <238909.38054.qm@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:07:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=pM3UCR5uwjiM3jNWC2XOnI0iZkbkCDItP7iOUG2D7wFU1QW7gtO7 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had a 8-track recorder once that was kind of cool baught tons of 8-tracks and recorded over the content ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:56 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC Good point! I went through a "have-not" period in my own life, so I can really relate to it. (This isn't even my computer, a friend let's me use it daily in exchange for caring for his kitties.) There will always be a place for an actual hard-copy of sound, I think, unless computers get as cheap and small as typical players...never mind the hook-up fee. 8-tracks! Hahahahah! Oh man, those were a royal pain. When Earl Muntz came out with his 4-track, which kinda begat the 8-track, he was adapting a proven broadcast medium to a job for which it wasn't quite as well suited. What is a typical cart, about 70 seconds of tape? (I know, they made longer ones, but not for jingles or spots) To get a salable amount of music on one, there are just too many layers of tape rubbing against each other, and that horrid switch-over. Yeah, I remember songs fading out for the jump, and a few cheap tapes that didn't even bother to fade...just CLICK! Remember liking one particular song on a tape, and having to jump tracks and wait several minutes to replay it? Kinda made 10-inch reel seem like rapid access! 8-track COULD have sounded better than cassette, as it ran twice the speed, but with all the other problems, and cassette's rapid improvement, it was doomed...thankfully! George --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Ha sounds interesting to me. Yeah and you know > another thing people haven't thought of. The have > nots. If the record companies went to all > downloading > then how would the have nots buy music? Not > everyone > has the internet and there will always be have nots > such as that. Not everyone can afford a computer > and > internet connection. I agree the sound quality is > squashed compared to other sources. They have > dumbed > down quality for convenience. We've already been > down > that road before and it was called 8-tracks. While > 8 > track tapes are sorta old school cool and novelty > they > were never that great. The thing I hated about them > was when the song would fade out in the middle of > the > song so the machine could flip to the next track > while > it faded back in! Good lord that drove me nuts! > Also > all the misalignment issues with that head jerkin up > and down all the time! > > -Kevin > > > --- george russell wrote: > > > Seems kids today maybe have dumbed-down hearing? > > 20,000 songs...the number is impressive, but not > the > > sound quality. > > Also with the I-thing, you have to hook up to a > > computer to change anything. MD is so flexible, > and > > the media so cheap! > > I've done entire spots from scratch tracks to > > polished > > final cut, all on a cheap MD deck. And without > > getting splicing tape on my fingers, ha-ha. > > I just got a 4-track MD deck, can't wait to > explore > > all those possibilities. > > (Hope to finish reading the ten-pound owner's > manual > > late this year!) > > > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > > > Yeah i've been with the format since 1997 and > love > > > it. > > > These days though kids want to carry around > > 20,000 > > > songs on an ipod. While that may be convenient > > its > > > just not the same as physical media. You don't > > get > > > liner notes, photograpy, etc. The bad part is > > when > > > the thing crashes and you lose all your songs > you > > > purchased off itunes. I know kids at school who > > > have > > > lost extensive collections oila'! That to me is > > > just > > > nuts. I can't take those kinds of risks with my > > > favorite recordings. Now as a broadcasting > > student > > > about to graduate and I have come to appreciate > > > MP3's > > > uses but I don't consider it a very "hi-fi" > > format. > > > In broadcasting though we record our commercial > > > spots > > > and music beds down in Cool Edit Pro/Adobe > > Audition. > > > > > > It can do the full qualtiy or any type of MP3. > > > Usually nowadays people will record a commercial > > > this > > > way and send it directly to the radio station > via > > > the > > > internet. No more mailing of tapes or CD's. So > > > yeah > > > it has its convenience. I think MD will hang > > around > > > a > > > good while. Look at DAT, it's still around and > > > still > > > sold. DAT and MD was just relocated to > > > professional/broadcast use. We have still have > > > minidisc in our studios at school. We also > still > > > have > > > a reel to reel and cassette. Not to mention we > > also > > > have old working cart machines and tapes in the > > > equipment closet as well as a Digicart (uses the > > Zip > > > disks). We still get requests from time to time > > to > > > transfer something from an old tape or cart over > > to > > > digital so we still drag that stuff out from > time > > to > > > time. I recently converted some 35mm slides to > > > digital for the our deparment. I was the only > one > > > that still had working 35mm slide equipment! > Yes > > I > > > plan to hang on to that stuff, never know when > > > you'll > > > get requests like that to do stuff and make some > > > side > > > cash. Well I hope you can find you one of those > > $26 > > > MD decks, I bought two back before Christmas. > > Just > > > keep checking, you never know what will pop up > for > > > sale on the site. Good Luck. > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > --- george russell wrote: > > > > > > > That's one sweet deal! I paid $150 + ship on > my > > > > '480, > > > > but at $26, I may just get a back-up. > > > > Even at the regular price, the 480 is a great > > > deck. > > > > I > > > > like the ATRAC-R > > > > bit re-allocation idea, and the scale-factor > > > editing > > > > has uses, too. > > > > For the life of me, I don't know why people > > don't > > > > "get > > > > it"...MD is the coolest format I've used, and > > the > > > > only > > > > one that finally got me out of my > > > reel-to-reel-only > > > > mood. Sure, computers can do a lot of neat > > > editing > > > > tricks, but I haven't found one yet that fits > in > > > my > > > > shirt pocket, runs on a cheap battery, and has > a > > > > top-notch ADC. > > > > Long live the little disc with the big sound! > > > > George > > > > --- clemsonbloke > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > So far Tascam still makes two pro models. > > Sony > > > > > still > > > > > sells the MDS-JE480 for $149 on their site. > > Now > > > > let > > > > > me tell yall this one :o)! Around Christmas > > > Sony > > > > > put > > > > > the MDS-JE480 on their b-stock site on sale > > for > > > > > $25.99 > > > > > and with free shipping and tax added it came > > out > > > > to > > > > > around $26. I bought two of those units. > > They > > > > may > > > > > say b-stock but they dammned well look and > > work > > > > > brand > > > > > new. I couldn't tell any difference at all. > > > > You > > > > > can't beat that for $26 and the free > shipping > > > they > > > > > had > > > > > at Christmas. Be sure to look around as > they > > > > still > > > > > put some of those decks up for that price > > every > === message truncated === __________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 16:13:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71030 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 00:13:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 00:13:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.207) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 00:13:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11461 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jan 2008 00:12:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Z4l4LMEVM1m2venwSdog1wuM4U4z16kH8BRqaDUM_O0nBiGn4plWJvtSPOtXS3XOAaQ7YJNrSO3UCNpykPA5STW5zpQkzPS74zVygj9q.tl5SaxpaK4BgYUWouLOCg-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:12:56 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:12:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <547783.19128.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <936214.99437.qm@web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=lgqhM4L5efqju1-3KV4AIT4LQtMfgjfjih0rHyyRf6vjjA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yup, it drops what is considered inaudible, then assigns bits to what is left, giving more to what is more noticeable. Just from my own comparisons, ATRAC does this better than most codecs, including MP3. My friend archives his show on WPON, with A small HiMD, and runs it at 64kb/sec. It sounds better than a lot of MP3s I've heard at 128. Here's a crazy thing to consider...I read where an audiophile claims MD (normal speed, 292) can sound BETTER than the CD from which it was recorded. Seemed impossible to me, until I read his explanation. On SOME stereos, especially in cars, the detail that is in a CD can be more than the speakers/amp can follow accurately. With the minor details reduced/removed by ATRAC, what is left is easier to reproduce, hence better over-all sound. Just to check this out, I asked several people to listen to 4 different tracks on a MD portable, then on a CD Walkman from which the MD was recorded, using the same good headphones. Out of 8 people, 2 said the MD sounded better! Mind you, none of these folks were pro musicians or audiophiles, but the theory is kinda interesting anyway. As they say on TV, "your results may vary!" George -- clemsonbloke wrote: > Well ATRAC is supposed to only mask material that is > unaudible to the human ear. At least that was their > mantra back in the day. > > -Kevin > > > --- hank smith wrote: > > > it didn't sound half bad > > actually I couldn't notice any loss > > one way to test this run the music threw > > devocalizers > > if it is compressed 160 or lower trust me you will > > notice it. > > I didn't notice it at 132 kbps > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: george russell > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:47 PM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > > > > Not sure, when they were ATRAC it was 132 > kb/sec, > > MDLP-2. > > My guess would be 128 or worse! > > > > --- hank smith wrote: > > > > > what bitrate in mp3? > > > and what about all the drm music I purchased? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: george russell > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 9:54 PM > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > > > > > > > Well, the JE-480 was Sony's last (non-Hi) MD > > deck, > > > and > > > the MZ-M200 aka MZ-RH10 was their last > portable, > > > and > > > they seem to have no plans to make anymore of > > > either, > > > nor have they announced any future models. > Sony > > > has > > > even dropped ATRAC on their Connect download > > > service, > > > bowing to MP3. Hope I'm wrong, but seems the > > > writing > > > is on the wall. > > > > > > As for the HBB and Tascam stuff, those models > > have > > > been out a while, > > > may be last of stock, too. Marantz made a > great > > > pro > > > portable, too, but have dropped it in favor of > > > hard-drive and flash memory based stuff. > > > > > > Sadly, even after Sony developed HiMD, they > > never > > > made > > > a deck for it. > > > Only one out is made by Onkyo. > > > > > > The station I hang out at occasionally still > > uses > > > MD, > > > as do I'm sure a lot of others, maybe their > > > loyalty > > > will buy it some more time? Hope so! > > > > > > There is a great site for MD, www.minidisc.org > > > > > > They have specs, manual downloads, even an > > > animation > > > of how the HiMD optics works...pretty cool > > stuff! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > George > > > > > > --- Possum Hunter > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 7:25 PM, hank smith > wrote: > > > > > > > > > will they stop making md decs? > > > > > > > > One of these days, I am sure they will, but > I > > > think > > > > it will be a > > > > while. MDs are pretty popular in radio and > in > > > the > > > > consumer market in > > > > other countries. > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > "You're never beaten until you admit it." - > > > General > > > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > Yahoo! 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File : /ben.mp3 Uploaded by : alive4jesus1 Description : ben.mp3 this file has touch tones at beginning and also has the date when this was recorded file also time stamped. tell me what you all think. this is really halarious Hank Smith You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/ben.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, alive4jesus1 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 16:15:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88919 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 00:15:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 00:15:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 00:15:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 94654 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jan 2008 00:15:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UvTj8twVM1lEsQ3Mpyav4sFXURIn9jiA25wAEz5yxK2UaD_n5_Y_I9Y9Cn2S1to35B8gGeyeffc1z0flZnkK07e5o_yvI939PhiHZi4abnjBxIWtwbM- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:15:29 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:15:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <901630.95534.qm@web23011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <422473.94345.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=KKgjTicZDGytpS9AlM9eUTNiJyygtq1IrMj9aTFIG0e_og X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yup, I have to hang on to it, to play back the HiMD discs, unless I get a really great deal on the newest one. Hmmm, how many meals skipped adds up to $400? George --- clemsonbloke wrote: > I'd hang on to the Hi-MD I think. I never bought > into > Hi-MD but had I done that I wouldn't be selling it. > Excellent piece of technology to hold onto. > > -Kevin > > > --- george russell wrote: > > > I might. I didn't get on the MD wagon until 2005, > > and > > came in with HiMD. (MZ-M100). Once I realized > what > > I > > could do with MD, I went on a buying spree! Now > > have > > the HiMD, a CD/MD bookshelf system, a Denon pro > > rack-mount, 3 decks, a Sony 4-tracker, and a bunch > > of > > portables. I fell for this format hook, line, and > > sinker! > > May need to thin the herd, soon, though, and I'll > > let > > you know. > > George > > > > > > > > --- hank smith wrote: > > > > > if you ever want to cell any of your md stuff > let > > me > > > know > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: george russell > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:37 PM > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to figure a way to remote-start my > > HiMD > > > to > > > do that...with one 1 gig disc, I could get 35 > > > hours (7 > > > days) of Coast! But even at one show per disc, > > > standard MDs are cheaper than decent > cassettes. > > > I have an old (ATRAC 2!) MD deck with a > > VCR-style > > > timer. I was going to sell it till I > discovered > > > the > > > timer function...no more missed Coast shows > for > > > this > > > guy! > > > George > > > --- clemsonbloke > > wrote: > > > > > > > Ha true! I do love the format though just > > > because > > > > of > > > > the simplicity and editing is a breeze! Most > > of > > > all > > > > I > > > > can record up to 4 hours on a disc for talk > > > shows. > > > > I > > > > still record on cassettes as well. I can > load > > up > > > > two > > > > 90 min tapes in my dual TEAC which records > on > > > both > > > > sides and get 3 hours but the minidisc wins > > out > > > for > > > > talk shows because I can get that 4 full > > hours. > > > > Actually the minidisc will record 5.3 hours > > > total in > > > > the longest record mode but I only need 4 > for > > > Coast > > > > to > > > > Coast! > > > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Possum Hunter > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:36 PM, george > russell > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > A Coast-to-Coast AND Minidisc fan? My > > kinda > > > > > people! > > > > > > As for being sold professionally, WHERE? > > > > > > > > > > http://www.bswusa.com/ has 7 different > > models > > > from > > > > 3 > > > > > different brands > > > > > on their web site for sale. > > > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > "You're never beaten until you admit it." > - > > > > General > > > > > George S. Patton Jr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > Never miss a thing. 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 16:20:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83547 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 00:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 00:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 00:20:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16344 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jan 2008 00:20:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QySncfsVM1mE1kQX7aofp13H0Ot7lZFuu9yxjF5zOv.qMLTxj4APoP0UO62USZvidVFy7sj5jfIpn.XI3uKTUG9q3UW9RJ6lpIrv11E2VUmY_eEuFiE- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:20:30 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:20:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <912721.75092.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <743945.14416.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=nPz67ge8dicN7o2t_ANuYyKThi71yZ6Uk7jHPxAdvawAoA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 That's true, but it is nice that cheap and readily available MD discs can be used in the HiMD machine, as not a lot of places stock the more expensive (per minute) HiMD disc yet. When I'm doing a live recording at full speed (PCM), I can still get 28 minutes on a cheap disc, and that works out to way less than reel tape, or top grade cassette. George --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- george russell wrote: > > > Cool! Glad somebody still makes them. I wish > they > > would do more with HiMD, I like the option of > > un-compressed PCM. (not that ATRAC sounds bad, at > > 64 > > kb/sec it sounds better than MP3 at 128) > > George > > > You CAN record HiMD on a regular MD. But you then > can > NO LONGER use it in a regular MD device. You CAN'T > even erase it. You then have to put it BACK in a > HiMD > machine and erase and RE-record something in regular > mode on that machine to recover the disk. I know > this > from experience. > > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 16:25:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37581 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 00:25:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 00:25:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 00:25:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1985 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jan 2008 00:25:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LK7_q6AVM1n788fN_WLBgcnYvK.xKLkPFwFDHqV7D1OgmpMEqtgXddlQyYWWc_0fcgZ5INv2T8m5I4YAjVvSCiqsOq9hKIPThqoHAoNLoOmrZvdqc2vxY6HtnY9NdA-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:25:13 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:25:13 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c8570a$926a7940$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <243748.834.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=G7fdXqeYPPiuXYJLie9cPPHlRSjz7E6GhqEhqYSIuGeLHw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I confess, I had one too, and even tried putting the songs in such order that the switchover would occur between songs...not always easy. Mine was, I think, an Akai, and could do quad, too. Can't work up a tear to shed over it's demise, though! George --- hank smith wrote: > I had a 8-track recorder once > that was kind of cool > baught tons of 8-tracks and recorded over the > content > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:56 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > Good point! I went through a "have-not" period in > my > own life, so I can really relate to it. (This > isn't > even my computer, a friend let's me use it daily > in > exchange for caring for his kitties.) > There will always be a place for an actual > hard-copy > of sound, I think, > unless computers get as cheap and small as typical > players...never mind the hook-up fee. > 8-tracks! Hahahahah! Oh man, those were a royal > pain. > When Earl Muntz came out with his 4-track, which > kinda > begat the 8-track, he was adapting a proven > broadcast > medium to a job for which it wasn't quite as well > suited. What is a typical cart, about 70 seconds > of > tape? (I know, they made longer ones, but not for > jingles or spots) > To get a salable amount of music on one, there are > just too many layers of tape rubbing against each > other, and that horrid switch-over. > Yeah, I remember songs fading out for the jump, > and a > few cheap tapes that didn't even bother to > fade...just > CLICK! > Remember liking one particular song on a tape, and > having to jump tracks and wait several minutes to > replay it? Kinda made 10-inch reel seem like rapid > access! > 8-track COULD have sounded better than cassette, > as it > ran twice the speed, but with all the other > problems, > and cassette's rapid improvement, it was > doomed...thankfully! > George > > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > Ha sounds interesting to me. Yeah and you know > > another thing people haven't thought of. The > have > > nots. If the record companies went to all > > downloading > > then how would the have nots buy music? Not > > everyone > > has the internet and there will always be have > nots > > such as that. Not everyone can afford a computer > > and > > internet connection. I agree the sound quality > is > > squashed compared to other sources. They have > > dumbed > > down quality for convenience. We've already been > > down > > that road before and it was called 8-tracks. > While > > 8 > > track tapes are sorta old school cool and > novelty > > they > > were never that great. The thing I hated about > them > > was when the song would fade out in the middle > of > > the > > song so the machine could flip to the next track > > while > > it faded back in! Good lord that drove me nuts! > > Also > > all the misalignment issues with that head > jerkin up > > and down all the time! > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > --- george russell wrote: > > > > > Seems kids today maybe have dumbed-down > hearing? > > > 20,000 songs...the number is impressive, but > not > > the > > > sound quality. > > > Also with the I-thing, you have to hook up to > a > > > computer to change anything. MD is so > flexible, > > and > > > the media so cheap! > > > I've done entire spots from scratch tracks to > > > polished > > > final cut, all on a cheap MD deck. And without > > > getting splicing tape on my fingers, ha-ha. > > > I just got a 4-track MD deck, can't wait to > > explore > > > all those possibilities. > > > (Hope to finish reading the ten-pound owner's > > manual > > > late this year!) > > > > > > --- clemsonbloke > wrote: > > > > > > > Yeah i've been with the format since 1997 > and > > love > > > > it. > > > > These days though kids want to carry around > > > 20,000 > > > > songs on an ipod. While that may be > convenient > > > its > > > > just not the same as physical media. You > don't > > > get > > > > liner notes, photograpy, etc. The bad part > is > > > when > > > > the thing crashes and you lose all your > songs > > you > > > > purchased off itunes. I know kids at school > who > > > > have > > > > lost extensive collections oila'! That to me > is > > > > just > > > > nuts. I can't take those kinds of risks with > my > > > > favorite recordings. Now as a broadcasting > > > student > > > > about to graduate and I have come to > appreciate > > > > MP3's > > > > uses but I don't consider it a very "hi-fi" > > > format. > > > > In broadcasting though we record our > commercial > > > > spots > > > > and music beds down in Cool Edit Pro/Adobe > > > Audition. > > > > > > > > It can do the full qualtiy or any type of > MP3. > > > > Usually nowadays people will record a > commercial > > > > this > > > > way and send it directly to the radio > station > > via > > > > the > > > > internet. No more mailing of tapes or CD's. > So > > > > yeah > > > > it has its convenience. I think MD will hang > > > around > > > > a > > > > good while. Look at DAT, it's still around > and > > > > still > > > > sold. DAT and MD was just relocated to > > > > professional/broadcast use. We have still > have > > > > minidisc in our studios at school. We also > > still > > > > have > > > > a reel to reel and cassette. Not to mention > we > > > also > > > > have old working cart machines and tapes in > the > > > > equipment closet as well as a Digicart (uses > the > > > Zip > > > > disks). We still get requests from time to > time > > > to > > > > transfer something from an old tape or cart > over > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 16:28:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11661 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 00:28:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 00:28:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.208) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 00:28:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9006 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jan 2008 00:28:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _2QMyEYVM1mSjkU27Y8DjCd3xg3mnB81KEFOqEjq8V0k2mnjbN2hMEvlr2XorR6t0tSQmhHX3YVT9dHCvv9m7idDz5nlI.zy30bz9A_ik1korlZzFH8- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:28:45 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:28:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA251FE967B6AD-180-2A2F@webmail-de16.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <904825.8123.qm@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Citation for Part 15 Violation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=X4kM-w4z6Hr-nH7Rdm_cmokXEr6LIBmfYp15K0R2c5Opbg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 That's scary! Seems a few years back, the FCC was selectively fining FM low-power stations, based on program content...political agreement with the powers in office could buy some extra leeway on the watt meter, but say the wrong thing, and they nailed ya. Hope this isn't another such phase all over again. George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Well, I would not have thunk it, but the FCC > actually cited someone for having a legal antenna > and transmitter?with an excessively long ground > lead.? No interference.? No complaint.? No other > violations. > > My guess is he had a legal antenna with a > transmitter at the base?of a short tower or mast as > he was also a ham.? It didn't say weither the ground > lead was an actual lead or the support structure > itself. > > Still, it sounds alittle nit-picky as the guy > obviously made a good faith effort at compliance. > > Mike > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 16:55:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49465 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 00:55:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 00:55:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 00:55:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 85762 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jan 2008 00:55:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _jFlBukVM1kl2Wm2VtF.80nyALdKqfcB9eXgXk_Fbq7dioSSCjDQgRaOROamYmEQBeZRSyqWOpY5UMCMUADkJv.OZYvl9KrDgAmps_AtLr5U0XILzoULupGhEwkCAg-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:55:18 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:55:18 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1200356023.67769.8924.w112@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <568678.83073.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=pWUyKwaEf8bSmLZU1RudGAjoKqry6KM8Lb5MHFs-mrBRXA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 That's side-splitting! Just goes to show, not ALL the good radio lies in the broadcast bands, eh? (remember the "nerd network" on 80m. ?) --- amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know > that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the > amstereoforum > group. > > File : /ben.mp3 > Uploaded by : alive4jesus1 > Description : ben.mp3 this file has touch tones at > beginning and also has the date when this was > recorded file also time stamped. tell me what you > all think. this is really halarious Hank Smith > > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/ben.mp3 > > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, > please visit: > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles > > Regards, > > alive4jesus1 > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Jan 14 16:55:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66367 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 00:55:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 00:55:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 00:55:41 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c38.24b6817b (37660) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:55:36 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-mb07.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB072-931c478c0485ee; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:55:34 -0500 Message-ID: <001801c85711$5911d2e0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <243748.834.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:55:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=cBl7Ms3mnyRMl94XLV1Jsh0xtcsmpzu1NHlcNGOK6A9MtOLi9_12 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit me neeghter but it was different ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 4:25 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC I confess, I had one too, and even tried putting the songs in such order that the switchover would occur between songs...not always easy. Mine was, I think, an Akai, and could do quad, too. Can't work up a tear to shed over it's demise, though! George --- hank smith wrote: > I had a 8-track recorder once > that was kind of cool > baught tons of 8-tracks and recorded over the > content > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:56 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony and IBOC > > > Good point! I went through a "have-not" period in > my > own life, so I can really relate to it. (This > isn't > even my computer, a friend let's me use it daily > in > exchange for caring for his kitties.) > There will always be a place for an actual > hard-copy > of sound, I think, > unless computers get as cheap and small as typical > players...never mind the hook-up fee. > 8-tracks! Hahahahah! Oh man, those were a royal > pain. > When Earl Muntz came out with his 4-track, which > kinda > begat the 8-track, he was adapting a proven > broadcast > medium to a job for which it wasn't quite as well > suited. What is a typical cart, about 70 seconds > of > tape? (I know, they made longer ones, but not for > jingles or spots) > To get a salable amount of music on one, there are > just too many layers of tape rubbing against each > other, and that horrid switch-over. > Yeah, I remember songs fading out for the jump, > and a > few cheap tapes that didn't even bother to > fade...just > CLICK! > Remember liking one particular song on a tape, and > having to jump tracks and wait several minutes to > replay it? Kinda made 10-inch reel seem like rapid > access! > 8-track COULD have sounded better than cassette, > as it > ran twice the speed, but with all the other > problems, > and cassette's rapid improvement, it was > doomed...thankfully! > George > > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > Ha sounds interesting to me. Yeah and you know > > another thing people haven't thought of. The > have > > nots. If the record companies went to all > > downloading > > then how would the have nots buy music? Not > > everyone > > has the internet and there will always be have > nots > > such as that. Not everyone can afford a computer > > and > > internet connection. I agree the sound quality > is > > squashed compared to other sources. They have > > dumbed > > down quality for convenience. We've already been > > down > > that road before and it was called 8-tracks. > While > > 8 > > track tapes are sorta old school cool and > novelty > > they > > were never that great. The thing I hated about > them > > was when the song would fade out in the middle > of > > the > > song so the machine could flip to the next track > > while > > it faded back in! Good lord that drove me nuts! > > Also > > all the misalignment issues with that head > jerkin up > > and down all the time! > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > --- george russell wrote: > > > > > Seems kids today maybe have dumbed-down > hearing? > > > 20,000 songs...the number is impressive, but > not > > the > > > sound quality. > > > Also with the I-thing, you have to hook up to > a > > > computer to change anything. MD is so > flexible, > > and > > > the media so cheap! > > > I've done entire spots from scratch tracks to > > > polished > > > final cut, all on a cheap MD deck. And without > > > getting splicing tape on my fingers, ha-ha. > > > I just got a 4-track MD deck, can't wait to > > explore > > > all those possibilities. > > > (Hope to finish reading the ten-pound owner's > > manual > > > late this year!) > > > > > > --- clemsonbloke > wrote: > > > > > > > Yeah i've been with the format since 1997 > and > > love > > > > it. > > > > These days though kids want to carry around > > > 20,000 > > > > songs on an ipod. While that may be > convenient > > > its > > > > just not the same as physical media. You > don't > > > get > > > > liner notes, photograpy, etc. The bad part > is > > > when > > > > the thing crashes and you lose all your > songs > > you > > > > purchased off itunes. I know kids at school > who > > > > have > > > > lost extensive collections oila'! That to me > is > > > > just > > > > nuts. I can't take those kinds of risks with > my > > > > favorite recordings. Now as a broadcasting > > > student > > > > about to graduate and I have come to > appreciate > > > > MP3's > > > > uses but I don't consider it a very "hi-fi" > > > format. > > > > In broadcasting though we record our > commercial > > > > spots > > > > and music beds down in Cool Edit Pro/Adobe > > > Audition. > > > > > > > > It can do the full qualtiy or any type of > MP3. > > > > Usually nowadays people will record a > commercial > > > > this > > > > way and send it directly to the radio > station > > via > > > > the > > > > internet. No more mailing of tapes or CD's. > So > > > > yeah > > > > it has its convenience. I think MD will hang > > > around > > > > a > > > > good while. Look at DAT, it's still around > and > > > > still > > > > sold. DAT and MD was just relocated to > > > > professional/broadcast use. We have still > have > > > > minidisc in our studios at school. We also > > still > > > > have > > > > a reel to reel and cassette. Not to mention > we > > > also > > > > have old working cart machines and tapes in > the > > > > equipment closet as well as a Digicart (uses > the > > > Zip > > > > disks). We still get requests from time to > time > > > to > > > > transfer something from an old tape or cart > over > === message truncated === __________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Jan 14 17:22:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7536 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 01:22:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 01:22:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 01:22:22 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.55.63] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080114192144001533200003> for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:21:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002401c85715$9987c240$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:21:44 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=HCkIWm2YIALfwEmo50BABIP32S59v-FuI0dOBZufiEoJ1XSPhrHM X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So why couldn't it be driven with the conventional low level stages of the Alfredo Lite that produce the L-R? The class E output is generating the envelope modulation. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I got 90% efficiency with a 100 mW nominal DC input modulated to 135% (1W PEP) using a single TI 74AC16244 with just a 6 volt supply into 50 ohms. The output was Class E which has no modulator. The IC is a 48SSOP package which is very compact. No heatsink required. Drive requirements was negligible. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Jan 14 17:47:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77284 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 01:47:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 01:47:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 01:47:10 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.55.63] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080114194638001644900004> for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:46:38 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01c201c85719$13cf22c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <8CA251FE967B6AD-180-2A2F@webmail-de16.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:46:38 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Citation for Part 15 Violation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=rYIDG23c97byxp5fm6ZAr-HfrnYcTcwfKtiea3p3TblhRIW4G6ri X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've heard of these transmitters being mounted on towers and even billboard frames where those structures were considered "grounded" but not as a ground lead and the whole operations were considered legal. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Well, I would not have thunk it, but the FCC actually cited someone for having a legal antenna and transmitter?with an excessively long ground lead.? No interference.? No complaint.? No other violations. My guess is he had a legal antenna with a transmitter at the base?of a short tower or mast as he was also a ham.? It didn't say weither the ground lead was an actual lead or the support structure itself. Still, it sounds alittle nit-picky as the guy obviously made a good faith effort at compliance. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Jan 14 19:25:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55797 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 03:25:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 03:25:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.54) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 03:25:10 -0000 X-Received: from dialup-4.232.18.156.dial1.losangeles1.level3.net ([4.232.18.156]) by francis.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1JEcQH-0004U8-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:25:10 -0500 Message-Id: <88168D0C-DAA0-44A4-859B-B89E860BF06C@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA251FE967B6AD-180-2A2F@webmail-de16.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:25:07 -0600 References: <8CA251FE967B6AD-180-2A2F@webmail-de16.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Citation for Part 15 Violation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=RBpQbOmii2gYL0FrQ0Cz32OjCThExCOyXbBi8sIiuLtsIaUOLiTQyhNm4m1xtw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jan 14, 2008, at 5:54 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Well, I would not have thunk it, but the FCC actually cited someone=20=20 > for having a legal antenna and transmitter?with an excessively long=20=20 > ground lead.? No interference.? No complaint.? No other violations. I think somebody had it "in for him" and ratted him out. Such a=20=20 station is not going to put a signal too much out of his own backyard.=20=20 If some Ham ratted me out for such a nit picky thing, I think I would=20=20 try out my new Coax Cutters on the Rat's antenna system. Possum =93You=92re never beaten until you admit it.=94 - General George S. Patton = Jr. From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 14 21:18:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57107 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 05:18:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 05:18:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 05:18:09 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c1a.2de73c6b (41812) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:18:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:18:02 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=o-KJlyfTpt-kBSKfGXfjHdSV5XomRAX6XY_7pWOTAdBQ-He_UsBD8GvIwkDnFTry X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/08 7:22:56 PM Central Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > So why couldn't it be driven with the conventional low level stages of the > Alfredo Lite that produce the L-R? The class E output is generating the > envelope modulation. > Class E amplifiers aren't really amplifiers. They're essentially switches with two states, on and off. I am using a Chireax modulation scheme which produces AM from phase modulating two constant amplitude final RF amplifiers, more popularly known as Ampliphase. All amplitude information is lost in Class E amplifier. For an AMS version to work, essentially the A+B signal would modulate the phase displacement between the two signals with the A-B signal simutaneously phase modulating both signals in unison with respect to time. Mathematically, that's definable. The problem is implementing a hardware scheme to do it. A DSP engine would be way to go except the ones I know of aren't fast enough. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 14 21:25:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44639 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 05:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 05:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 05:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cfa.26ef8753 (41812) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:25:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:25:44 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Citation for Part 15 Violation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ODtxjLOOdu5b48-SoQ9xKJip-gq_SC1-CZ0CoRBW1MJcD325v2JqRaB5yo7d3OZm X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If the guy had a green wire running down the mast connected to a grounding rod, that's a ground lead. However, just because the tower is grounded (I think the more appropriate term is bonded) and the transmitter is attached to it, doesn't make the tower a ground conductor for the transmitter. Given the compliance measures the guy took, it doesn't seem likely he ran a ground lead. By the construction of the regulations applied in that case, if I used a water standpipe as a ground, I would have to count the water system of the entire City of St. Louis going back to the water works as part of the 3-meter allowance. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 14 21:29:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40740 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 05:29:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 05:29:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 05:29:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c9f.218b1a55 (41812) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:29:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:29:34 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Citation for Part 15 Violation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=SMHoLxy02qqKhIu0Tbctt8cJzcxrta20A_c9JUzOHv4IQlI4T9FthCe_EA5QflOq X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/08 9:25:24 PM Central Standard Time, thepossumhunter@gmail.com writes: > I think somebody had it "in for him" and ratted him out. Such a > station is not going to put a signal too much out of his own backyard. That was my impression as well. On another group, two hams are trying to get World War III started on eBay over a item that cost less than $10. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Jan 14 22:21:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2644 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 06:21:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 06:21:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.26) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 06:21:21 -0000 X-Received: from dialup-4.226.24.50.dial1.dallas1.level3.net ([4.226.24.50]) by amos.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1JEfAm-0001fU-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:21:21 -0500 Message-Id: <8020D5C1-34D7-46C8-B0F1-DE43E1FF79B2@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:21:18 -0600 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Citation for Part 15 Violation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=MxGfrGEyK9QY8Q4vknQHbzlk0f11dtHMxzYDjL6qjZkc7MR17-AzIn9x5icnbw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jan 14, 2008, at 11:29 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > That was my impression as well. On another group, two hams are=20=20 > trying to get World War III started on eBay over a item that cost=20=20 > less than $10. You a ham? I am moving to the Saint Louis area tomorrow and I want to=20=20 take the exam to get my ticket. Been taking the Tech and General exams=20=20 online and passing them pretty good now. Kevin =93You=92re never beaten until you admit it.=94 - General George S. Patton = Jr. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 23:13:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3089 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 07:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 07:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.137) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 07:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2008 07:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2008 07:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2008 07:13:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:13:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.100 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=LBXf5f_0u9W0KIKPY_hGskNlQAsjByliwLBwopYh_oaqh0rvxw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > As a non-ham (not bragging, just fact), I am confused. >=20 > Are you saying that you can transmit something other than voice=20 over an=20 > amatuer radio station? >=20 > Also, what equipment are you using to transmit and received AM=20 Stereo in the=20 > 80 meter band? >=20 > Just wondering. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Hi Mike!!! Any Radio ham can use, at least, 3 kind of modulation signals:=20 VOICE, DATA and MORSE CODE. When I'm talking about DATA, I want to say COMPUTER DATA (text=20 characters, digital image, MIDI sequence and, eventually, digital=20 music low bit rate stream). So, eventually, any radio ham can transmit "music". But, it isn't=20 an "standard" in the radio ham community. Of course, in the 27 MHZ CB zone you can find some "music" in SSB=20 mode (fix stations mostly). But it isn't a radio ham band. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 23:13:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4019 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 07:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 07:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.147) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 07:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2008 07:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2008 07:13:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2008 07:13:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:13:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.100 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=1kiHkjAC8swhSAaDec7emR138jtVskNcnNyXn5VcYHQmFfGcoA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > As a non-ham (not bragging, just fact), I am confused. >=20 > Are you saying that you can transmit something other than voice=20 over an=20 > amatuer radio station? >=20 > Also, what equipment are you using to transmit and received AM=20 Stereo in the=20 > 80 meter band? >=20 > Just wondering. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Hi Mike!!! Any Radio ham can use, at least, 3 kind of modulation signals:=20 VOICE, DATA and MORSE CODE. When I'm talking about DATA, I want to say COMPUTER DATA (text=20 characters, digital image, MIDI sequence and, eventually, digital=20 music low bit rate stream). So, eventually, any radio ham can transmit "music". But, it isn't=20 an "standard" in the radio ham community. Of course, in the 27 MHZ CB zone you can find some "music" in SSB=20 mode (fix stations mostly). But it isn't a radio ham band. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Jan 15 04:16:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32177 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 12:16:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 12:16:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.143) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 12:16:00 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.80]) by bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:15:17 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:15:17 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:15:14 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: References: <8CA251FE967B6AD-180-2A2F@webmail-de16.sysops.aol.com> <88168D0C-DAA0-44A4-859B-B89E860BF06C@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:14:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2008 12:15:17.0588 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A60F140:01C85770] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Citation for Part 15 Violation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=-WgXm4bePIjOdDVFMYtZbzqlIBNXfHvYf_kYNd2kLcyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd here are some discussions on other forums about the situation http://part15.us/node/1572 heres a google search on ground lead http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=part+15+am+ground+lead ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:25 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Citation for Part 15 Violation On Jan 14, 2008, at 5:54 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Well, I would not have thunk it, but the FCC actually cited someone > for having a legal antenna and transmitter?with an excessively long > ground lead.? No interference.? No complaint.? No other violations. I think somebody had it "in for him" and ratted him out. Such a station is not going to put a signal too much out of his own backyard. If some Ham ratted me out for such a nit picky thing, I think I would try out my new Coax Cutters on the Rat's antenna system. Possum “You’re never beaten until you admit it.” - General George S. Patton Jr. Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum Yahoo! Groups Links From ke7ief@aol.com Tue Jan 15 05:34:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94762 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 13:34:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 13:34:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 13:34:17 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bf7.260fa326 (37523) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:34:00 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-ma08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA088-9293478cb646109; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:33:59 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01c8577b$4fbd5060$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:34:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=SxWUosrx3ev6Nwu_-05R-G3dXK-kH25iMCNatK3CePRM6XIvIvZE X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable how do you broadcast music in ssb in cb band? and what is range like? this aught to be fun ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:13 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > As a non-ham (not bragging, just fact), I am confused. >=20 > Are you saying that you can transmit something other than voice=20 over an=20 > amatuer radio station? >=20 > Also, what equipment are you using to transmit and received AM=20 Stereo in the=20 > 80 meter band? >=20 > Just wondering. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Hi Mike!!! Any Radio ham can use, at least, 3 kind of modulation signals:=20 VOICE, DATA and MORSE CODE. When I'm talking about DATA, I want to say COMPUTER DATA (text=20 characters, digital image, MIDI sequence and, eventually, digital=20 music low bit rate stream). So, eventually, any radio ham can transmit "music". But, it isn't=20 an "standard" in the radio ham community. Of course, in the 27 MHZ CB zone you can find some "music" in SSB=20 mode (fix stations mostly). But it isn't a radio ham band. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Jan 15 05:46:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71773 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 13:46:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 13:46:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (207.69.200.63) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 13:46:52 -0000 X-Received: from dialup-4.232.237.107.dial1.losangeles1.level3.net ([4.232.237.107]) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1JEm7v-0000Gh-00 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:46:51 -0500 Message-Id: <2974A4F9-6F19-4CAB-B27A-384010E89676@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002c01c8577b$4fbd5060$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:46:49 -0600 References: <002c01c8577b$4fbd5060$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Originating-IP: 207.69.200.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=VsJSOAMANBMscre_PykV-erJd0bfrRojWoTCNNHOjZRdcBwg7-rIPkHD9p4Ktw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jan 15, 2008, at 7:34 AM, hank smith wrote: > how do you broadcast music in ssb in cb band? Go around ANY truck stop and you will hear some LID playing music on=20=20 the CB Possum =93You=92re never beaten until you admit it.=94 - General George S. Patton = Jr. From wa2fnq@optonline.net Tue Jan 15 10:32:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47451 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 18:32:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 18:32:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n23d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.213) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 18:32:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2008 18:32:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2008 18:32:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:32:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002e01c8568c$b12a2ac0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=aRW41jo0OkAiXrbc-mTov_LnL45NCKUcQj7r38gV0D9B X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq These recordings were made by Pete, WA1SOV by coupling the I.F of=20 his SP 600 to the I.F. of his Sony SRF A 100. They were made a while=20 ago. Now I have other 2 microphones (left and right) in the studio=20 in addition to the main, center channel microphone. A small touch of=20 stereo reverb adds a little more effect. If I have a guest in the=20 studio he will generally wind up on the left channel. I have had 2=20 guests in the studio, one on the left and one on the right. Halfway=20 through the QSO they switched and Pete picked up the change. My system is AM L + R with FM L - R. which is basically the old=20 Magnavox system. I use a Gonset Super 6 converter ahead of a Radio=20 Shack TM - 152 and a Sony SRF A 100 for a reciever. You can see my=20 stuff at: http://www.wa2fnq.com/fnq/amstrdoc.htm Pete is on occasionally using ISB AM stereo. All this is probably a little much for Ham radio but the name of the=20 game is experimentation. And yes, music is not allowed in any form on the Ham bands. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" =20 wrote: > > what rig can you recieve these on? > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Amy Mousie=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:10 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@ wrote: > > >=20 > Jerry WA2FNQ said: >=20 > > Yes... 3.710 MHz in AM stereo. Always. >=20 > Mike said: >=20 > > There are AM Stereo ham stations??? >=20 > Yes. >=20 > The directory for AMS ham stations: > http://tinyurl.com/3ctcph >=20 > Individually, the two MP3s are: > http://tinyurl.com/34ups8 > http://tinyurl.com/2ssnb6 >=20 > These are of Jerry, WA2FNQ. There are a feww others, but the=20 archive > has no recordings of them. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 15:03:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25568 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 23:03:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 23:03:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.113) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 23:03:05 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2008 23:03:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2008 23:03:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2008 23:03:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:03:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.31.123 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=7tFlgcdmDQs5CccniLLjCgdiccXQdNIt07pjMxcIqK-d6F0S X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > These recordings were made by Pete, WA1SOV by coupling the I.F of=20 > his SP 600 to the I.F. of his Sony SRF A 100. They were made a while=20 > ago. Now I have other 2 microphones (left and right) in the studio=20 > in addition to the main, center channel microphone. A small touch of=20 > stereo reverb adds a little more effect. If I have a guest in the=20 > studio he will generally wind up on the left channel. I have had 2=20 > guests in the studio, one on the left and one on the right. Halfway=20 > through the QSO they switched and Pete picked up the change. Would be interesting to hear. :) > My system is AM L + R with FM L - R. which is basically the old=20 > Magnavox system. I use a Gonset Super 6 converter ahead of a Radio=20 > Shack TM - 152 and a Sony SRF A 100 for a reciever. You can see my=20 > stuff at: >=20 > http://www.wa2fnq.com/fnq/amstrdoc.htm If you're running FM, not PM, for the L-R, it's close to the RCA/Belar/Sansui systems. Magnavox is AM/PM. > Pete is on occasionally using ISB AM stereo. Also would be interesting to hear. :) > All this is probably a little much for Ham radio but the name of the=20 > game is experimentation. Well, if some hams run MTS stereo audio on their ATV equipment, why not AMS on the AM-mode ham bands? :) > And yes, music is not allowed in any form on the Ham bands. Except, as noted, for NASA rebroadcasts. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Jan 15 15:04:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45435 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2008 23:04:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2008 23:04:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2008 23:04:26 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.182] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080115170409001973100003> for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:04:09 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001501c857cb$8cad3bc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:04:09 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=bLpaChQN8B4Gy-duS4p40ipcu0sOJrCJVl4L0q1HciXrV2xewXQr X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike- you're letting theory get in the way of reality. Some stations with MW-50 transmitters ran stereo and that's essentially a huge tube class-E rig. The more modern polyphase PDM transmitters always have at least one phase conducting unless you're hitting -100% so it should be able to pass stereo even better. It might need a bit of IPM correction though. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Class E amplifiers aren't really amplifiers. They're essentially switches with two states, on and off. I am using a Chireax modulation scheme which produces AM from phase modulating two constant amplitude final RF amplifiers, more popularly known as Ampliphase. All amplitude information is lost in Class E amplifier. For an AMS version to work, essentially the A+B signal would modulate the phase displacement between the two signals with the A-B signal simutaneously phase modulating both signals in unison with respect to time. Mathematically, that's definable. The problem is implementing a hardware scheme to do it. A DSP engine would be way to go except the ones I know of aren't fast enough. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jan 15 16:07:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21065 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 00:07:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 00:07:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 00:07:04 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d5f.1df09704 (34893) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:06:52 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from mblk-d45 (mblk-d45.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.229]) by cia-da01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA012-884d478d4a9c29d; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:06:52 -0500 References: <002c01c8577b$4fbd5060$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:06:51 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <002c01c8577b$4fbd5060$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33706-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.229) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:06:51 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA25EAD4A35B84-1744-11DE@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=7jTmYrr_2JdGNbagvHp5Rdm-GdnRpErtAJ3zJd4mAqdxJhBphZLBFdOV3o_7iP4M X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Of course, in the 27 MHZ CB zone you can find some "music" in SSB=20 mode (fix stations mostly). But it isn't a radio ham band. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love You get our 27 Mhz=C2=A0CB skip in Chile?=C2=A0 Wow.=C2=A0 I bought a 5W CB= walkie talkie for the car in event of emergency before cell phones were co= mmon.=C2=A0 I sent in the required license application which the FCC reject= ed because=C2=A0it lacked any mis-spellings, my dental records showed I had= too many remaining teeth, and NASCAR had no record=C2=A0of any qualifying = clothing or accessory purchases I had made. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail= .aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jan 15 16:19:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75789 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 00:19:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 00:19:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 00:19:32 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c66.265d4bb4 (34933) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:19:17 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from mblk-d45 (mblk-d45.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.229]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA046-8875478d4d851b; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:19:17 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:19:17 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33706-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.229) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:19:17 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA25EC9101DEC6-1744-12A6@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=_ZQq4KCZLdJihoatY5wd5kLABNRW3_-ykJdpBcwev6sbAzyHWR-q8fZZkE8jbD78 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jerry, Do you mean FM modulation of the carrier with the L-R signal or phase modulation?? That would be alittle easier to do than the present CQUAM system. I'd like to give you a listen sometime if you have reach into the Midwest.? There is a ham in our neighborhood association that I pick up on occassion? with my wired phone.? I thought he worked sideband until I meet him in person and found out he just talks that way. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jan 15 16:37:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74816 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 00:37:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 00:37:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 00:37:38 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c30.23631a63 (37043) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:37:29 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from mblk-d45 (mblk-d45.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.229]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB031-90b3478d51c8350; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:37:29 -0500 References: <001501c857cb$8cad3bc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:37:28 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <001501c857cb$8cad3bc0$d503fea9@stodd> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33706-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.229) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:37:28 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA25EF1B7DD500-1744-1392@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=YxckkTIajRG0_s_vGtjpsqUXPUmNYcxPqBJ8ywBXxw4oAFb1FBRu1pgb6IBoKtyJ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, You can use transmitters with Class E finals with AM stereo.?As you said, it's done all the time.? I just meant to say, it is not possible to directly?use the signal produced by Chris Cuff's board to drive a Class E final.? An intervening PWM modulator is needed.? An Ampliphase modulator works just as well.? Either way, a digital signal is needed to drive the output stage. As a sidenote, the Aussie's claim to have good success with old Ampliphase transmitters running AM stereo.? If the technology had been available to adequately implement the principle, RCA could have owned the market with its Ampliphase transmitters. By the way, DPWM and DWM are not the same.? The later has bandwidth?limitations when it comes to AMS because of the required filter between the PWM modulator and RF final.? It's been made to work quite well, but a limitation none the less. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jan 15 18:09:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23352 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 02:09:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 02:09:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 02:09:26 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bc3.1f546fe2 (37566) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:09:21 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from FWM-D01 (fwm-d01.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.193]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB043-92be478d6751e8; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:09:21 -0500 References: <8CA251FE967B6AD-180-2A2F@webmail-de16.sysops.aol.com> <88168D0C-DAA0-44A4-859B-B89E860BF06C@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:09:21 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33706-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by FWM-D01.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.193) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:09:21 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA25FBF159AB30-970-24B9@FWM-D01.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Citation for Part 15 Violation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=l9gx8raSz2F8moLvMQwIu-t3vsFJvbCpjtI0IziLVNOl_PCt5Ri_kqO4sjWebbfk X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some very interesting discussions.? Thanks. By way a general comment, the regulations only state a length of 3 meters.? Nowhere do I read that the antenna must be a simple length of wire. The discussion about the ground lead is interesting.? My position would be if?something is above ground?and solely carries the RF current produced by the Part 15 transmitter, it is functioning either as a ground lead, transmission line, or antenna and therefore must be included in the 3 meter limitation. If there is no intervening transmission line between the transmitter and loading coil, I would consider it part of the transmitter, which has no size limitation.? I have toyed with the idea of having on the final amplifier at the base of the antenna with the rest of the transmitter remotely located in a?climate controlled environment. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Tue Jan 15 18:11:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67649 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 02:11:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 02:11:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 02:11:53 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d49.1d6b2086 (37082) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:11:39 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-db06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB064-90da478d67d9293; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:11:38 -0500 Message-ID: <006301c857e5$2f708650$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:12:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=Lik69M3tUa0jE8e5dDpiOH9nl0I3Zf3LOIjsP_D_A4zFufOMDDMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I knew that about the ham bands I was unclear about the cb bands talked to another ham friend of mine and he said that it is not aloud on the cb band either. and with me being a ham they would probably come after me more. oviously I am not going to be doing anything like that. want to stay clean Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: wa2fnq To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew These recordings were made by Pete, WA1SOV by coupling the I.F of his SP 600 to the I.F. of his Sony SRF A 100. They were made a while ago. Now I have other 2 microphones (left and right) in the studio in addition to the main, center channel microphone. A small touch of stereo reverb adds a little more effect. If I have a guest in the studio he will generally wind up on the left channel. I have had 2 guests in the studio, one on the left and one on the right. Halfway through the QSO they switched and Pete picked up the change. My system is AM L + R with FM L - R. which is basically the old Magnavox system. I use a Gonset Super 6 converter ahead of a Radio Shack TM - 152 and a Sony SRF A 100 for a reciever. You can see my stuff at: http://www.wa2fnq.com/fnq/amstrdoc.htm Pete is on occasionally using ISB AM stereo. All this is probably a little much for Ham radio but the name of the game is experimentation. And yes, music is not allowed in any form on the Ham bands. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > what rig can you recieve these on? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Amy Mousie > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:10 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@ wrote: > > > > Jerry WA2FNQ said: > > > Yes... 3.710 MHz in AM stereo. Always. > > Mike said: > > > There are AM Stereo ham stations??? > > Yes. > > The directory for AMS ham stations: > http://tinyurl.com/3ctcph > > Individually, the two MP3s are: > http://tinyurl.com/34ups8 > http://tinyurl.com/2ssnb6 > > These are of Jerry, WA2FNQ. There are a feww others, but the archive > has no recordings of them. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 18:31:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18236 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 02:31:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 02:31:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.204) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 02:31:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 41187 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2008 02:31:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HahJDBIVM1nTvTBjnnLqtRa_uVxidc.NlR4JnAd4jGNsTo._N2hxwMMnTkGFQtoIJ9Y94Zkkb5qYiUwzCOmPAesWOJO0_WUY.USUWyUe0IlAocL1MgA- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:31:40 PST Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:31:40 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA25FBF159AB30-970-24B9@FWM-D01.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <463485.40661.qm@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Citation for Part 15 Violation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=3UdxNfzQ6RRlvFne5ic2JCs2bVVisIj946BKIpvWuvhywQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 What about a slinky antenna? I was going to center feed two slinkies, cut to total 1/2 wave, and only stretch them out a to a total length of 3 meters...now y'all have me nervous! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Some very interesting discussions.? Thanks. > > By way a general comment, the regulations only state > a length of 3 meters.? Nowhere do I read that the > antenna must be a simple length of wire. > > The discussion about the ground lead is > interesting.? My position would be if?something is > above ground?and solely carries the RF current > produced by the Part 15 transmitter, it is > functioning either as a ground lead, transmission > line, or antenna and therefore must be included in > the 3 meter limitation. > > If there is no intervening transmission line between > the transmitter and loading coil, I would consider > it part of the transmitter, which has no size > limitation.? I have toyed with the idea of having on > the final amplifier at the base of the antenna with > the rest of the transmitter remotely located in > a?climate controlled environment. > > Mike > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 18:44:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91240 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 02:44:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 02:44:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 02:44:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 74905 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2008 02:44:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rVQ_RSYVM1n1ZhpJ7lYrRoz8GN38cM13fkUCqMwSN73tJuSet.mbRdw.oNKznQYFItdHgedqPnUd7PutTMqAzhB3FFV.jhJbFEjKIDlGxvRl.KBVgek- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:44:37 PST Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:44:37 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <876199.73240.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=i3VSkDrhEGjrQFLMf3wRQjGp1jbKRKgNS4NDJwzdPssbkA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Hmm, sounds like L-R would reduce ampliphase on one component while adding on the other? Might not be that hard to do...very interesting idea! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/14/08 7:22:56 PM Central > Standard Time, > scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > > > > So why couldn't it be driven with the conventional > low level stages of the > > Alfredo Lite that produce the L-R? The class E > output is generating the > > envelope modulation. > > > > Class E amplifiers aren't really amplifiers. > They're essentially switches > with two states, on and off. I am using a Chireax > modulation scheme which > produces AM from phase modulating two constant > amplitude final RF amplifiers, more > popularly known as Ampliphase. > > All amplitude information is lost in Class E > amplifier. For an AMS version > to work, essentially the A+B signal would modulate > the phase displacement > between the two signals with the A-B signal > simutaneously phase modulating both > signals in unison with respect to time. > Mathematically, that's definable. The > problem is implementing a hardware scheme to do it. > A DSP engine would be way > to go except the ones I know of aren't fast enough. > > Mike > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 20:11:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71252 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 04:11:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 04:11:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 04:11:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2008 04:11:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2008 04:11:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:11:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002c01c8577b$4fbd5060$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.66 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=6GGnQN7TH5hIAfi6FGOIkzohlqca0UaF3znSKDU-VLlbTQv3_A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" =20 wrote: > > how do you broadcast music in ssb in cb band? > and what is range like? this aught to be fun It was my first "radio ham" experience, too much years ago: I didn't=20 know what to say in the mike so... I play a vinyl record and I put=20 the SSB CB mike close to the speaker and transmitted it!!! hahaha!!! When I understood how to do it better, I connect directly the line=20 output of my old cassette radiorecorder to the aux line input of my=20 best loved SSB device I ever had: KENWOOD TS-530S (vacuum tube=20 device but very, very, faithful working beast) and I often=20 transmitted some music into the "forbidden" 27 MHZ band, remember=20 that device was intended to the legal ham service bands only, but...=20 everybody knows how to use it "out of band", hehehe!!! However, there is a lot of CB music in the air, SSB and AM, too. I'd known some UHF (FM mode) radio ham music too, even with=20 the "lunar bounce" DXs. Maybe we must to remember (and to pay a deserved tribute to) that=20 any kind of today telecomunication technology (audio, video, data,=20 etc.) was born into the radio ham "laboratories". Believe it or not. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 20:21:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7634 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 04:21:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 04:21:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.136) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 04:21:22 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2008 04:21:22 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2008 04:21:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2008 04:21:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:21:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.66 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=gfGDFmJW7U6pOF_59MAl0C9aLxhnjJMqCSJmbIF116mdmzpY7g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > > > These recordings were made by Pete, WA1SOV by coupling the I.F=20 of=20 > > his SP 600 to the I.F. of his Sony SRF A 100. They were made a=20 while=20 > > ago. Now I have other 2 microphones (left and right) in the=20 studio=20 > > in addition to the main, center channel microphone. A small=20 touch of=20 > > stereo reverb adds a little more effect. If I have a guest in=20 the=20 > > studio he will generally wind up on the left channel. I have had=20 2=20 > > guests in the studio, one on the left and one on the right.=20 Halfway=20 > > through the QSO they switched and Pete picked up the change. >=20 > Would be interesting to hear. :) >=20 > > My system is AM L + R with FM L - R. which is basically the old=20 > > Magnavox system. I use a Gonset Super 6 converter ahead of a=20 Radio=20 > > Shack TM - 152 and a Sony SRF A 100 for a reciever. You can see=20 my=20 > > stuff at: > >=20 > > http://www.wa2fnq.com/fnq/amstrdoc.htm >=20 > If you're running FM, not PM, for the L-R, it's close to the > RCA/Belar/Sansui systems. Magnavox is AM/PM. >=20 > > Pete is on occasionally using ISB AM stereo. >=20 > Also would be interesting to hear. :) >=20 > > All this is probably a little much for Ham radio but the name of=20 the=20 > > game is experimentation. >=20 > Well, if some hams run MTS stereo audio on their ATV equipment, why > not AMS on the AM-mode ham bands? :) >=20 > > And yes, music is not allowed in any form on the Ham bands. >=20 > Except, as noted, for NASA rebroadcasts. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Why not to try ISB? Just put two SSB transmitters (better if you use an external VFO to=20 generate the exact same carrier to both TXs) and then modulate one=20 into LSB mode with the LEFT audio channel and the other into USB=20 mode with the RIGHT audio channel. I think, it's the better AMS system. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jan 15 20:24:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59238 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 04:24:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 04:24:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 04:24:25 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c6c.1cf55522 (30737) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:24:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:24:01 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=_sLvkgbqajGsO_l82w2N6QOupLvjW5RNQp-6nubBm__1LhmI4jKukhqizwBSwPu7 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/15/08 8:45:15 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Hmm, sounds like L-R would reduce ampliphase on one > component while adding on the other? Might not be > that hard to do...very interesting idea! > George > Theoretically and mathematically, it's not difficult. The time displacement between the two signal legs determines the amplitude. Shifting both legs by the same amount with respect to time, phase modulates the result. The two can be independent of one another. Doing the amplitude to phase is not difficult. Neither is phase modulation of the carrier. Do them both simutaneously is challenge in terms of a hardware solution. There is a straightforward DSP solution, but to get 10 bits resolution at 1,700 khz would require an engine capable of at least several billion operations be second. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jan 15 20:34:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10329 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 04:34:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 04:34:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 04:34:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c86.2369e575 (30737) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:34:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:34:16 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Citation for Part 15 Violation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=1Z-HNkvsXDnZge1dDhkEOrWAwqiGu0i9zYQQW1yopdf4V08SmxJr9afzN54m7mBh X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/15/08 8:31:59 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > What about a slinky antenna? I was going to center > feed two slinkies, cut to total 1/2 wave, and only > stretch them out a to a total length of 3 meters...now > y'all have me nervous! > That's a helical radiator. If I was making the call, I would say it was it was legal. The regulation is ambiguous and there is a principle of law which says the doubt must be in resolved favor of the person cited. To be really conservative, I would say keep it to 3 meters in combined length and girth. Actually, I am working on a caged dipole which would eliminate the ground lead issue. However, I was wondering if the fold wires which run parallel to and are electrically paralled with the center radiator would individually count against the 3 meter limitation. By the way, how were you going to fed your helical? Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jan 15 21:02:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10540 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 05:02:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 05:02:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 05:02:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bbb.1dbdded1 (30737) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:02:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:02:35 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Need Info/Advice on Chris Cuff's AMS Board X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=lmSi71qUR3c-TKHRrVcut7uhCIedzKJ8v6koSlvBsU79akv1zPFS3BXYimM0ezl3 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am building an antenna for Hank. It has a 2.5 meter vertical radiator 19mm in diameter with a loading coil at the base. It has 50 mm. diameter PVC loading coil mandrel, 200 mm. in length. Hank would like it tuned to 1610 khz. I have the latest version of the CC AMS board with the modified output. Whatever it is meant to work into, it isn't 50 ohms. When I connected mine to my 50 ohm Cantenna, it was dead as a doornail. I need to know how many turns of wire to put in the loading coil. Thanks. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 21:42:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24308 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 05:42:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 05:42:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 05:42:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 40879 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2008 05:42:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uC3LUlwVM1mHR9ohVBc9uITHGZU4sOjJ_U_SRTQlq1IbZ3aL7svE_pQjrR.9wnIKXZZXIgODKGWidHMDb0eQOtlsEgIrYWsTMn5ggq8..2VrzvWJkXPylLh02TYeBA-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:42:42 PST Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:42:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <360698.40676.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=UG9smr1dsay15QMRTenOH2RoZQOlE97tg4uJZwwWwLZjOA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Well, you could always do it in (dare I say it?) analog. Something I've wondered about with ampliphase, too. Seems if ALL it does is move the phases, the change in amplitude would not be linearly related to the change in phase, but rather a tangental one. Wasn't there some way RCA corrected this by adding a small amount of AM in the process? Just curious! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/15/08 8:45:15 PM Central > Standard Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Hmm, sounds like L-R would reduce ampliphase on > one > > component while adding on the other? Might not be > > that hard to do...very interesting idea! > > George > > > > Theoretically and mathematically, it's not > difficult. The time displacement > between the two signal legs determines the > amplitude. Shifting both legs by > the same amount with respect to time, phase > modulates the result. The two can > be independent of one another. > > Doing the amplitude to phase is not difficult. > Neither is phase modulation > of the carrier. Do them both simutaneously is > challenge in terms of a hardware > solution. There is a straightforward DSP solution, > but to get 10 bits > resolution at 1,700 khz would require an engine > capable of at least several billion > operations be second. > > Mike > > > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 21:48:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37684 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 05:48:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 05:48:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 05:48:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44246 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2008 05:48:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: w1OQxuUVM1mvwFXWWy5BXbY9DsGug0UBOwo8ueP86Gl9npJQs22WnVu9HitCPsyr0WhfVQkXC3YJ9tjehLpeI13Xb9Qg1wc202.OTTn3HVg3Q0FGqedqLT7j5cdMYw-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:48:03 PST Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:48:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <644797.43791.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Citation for Part 15 Violation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=_l15IUnzK2tO_eSmm91FP-eqXKelrIbHSc4FbW8XP1SNpg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 We've been considering either a center-fed half-wave, or a vertical, base fed, on the ground, with radials, like a broadcast tower...either way, 3 meters long. Tradition tells me go with the base-fed vertical, but I think maybe putting a 1/2 wave up on a tall mast might get out better. What do you think? George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/15/08 8:31:59 PM Central > Standard Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > What about a slinky antenna? I was going to center > > feed two slinkies, cut to total 1/2 wave, and only > > stretch them out a to a total length of 3 > meters...now > > y'all have me nervous! > > > > That's a helical radiator. If I was making the > call, I would say it was it > was legal. The regulation is ambiguous and there is > a principle of law which > says the doubt must be in resolved favor of the > person cited. To be really > conservative, I would say keep it to 3 meters in > combined length and girth. > > Actually, I am working on a caged dipole which > would eliminate the ground > lead issue. However, I was wondering if the fold > wires which run parallel to > and are electrically paralled with the center > radiator would individually count > against the 3 meter limitation. > > By the way, how were you going to fed your helical? > > Mike > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jan 16 00:32:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56930 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 08:32:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 08:32:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 08:32:14 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d61.1c899d06 (29679) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:32:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:32:03 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=XEKAZ3MUkQfdB7oQM9-i4k7oy1Uwc8RlMABfqDeQqrLigJlOAZIF4gb24mUYnS3T X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The RCA Ampliphase was essentially all analog. The first Ampliphase was, in fact, all tube. There was two-fold problem with it. The first was phase drift. If anyone has worked with a boatanchor tube Tek scope, you know what that is all about. The second was most transmitter engineers in the field didn't understand how it worked well enough to keep it properly aligned. You are correct. The Ampliphase transfer function is not linear. It's a sine function. RCA used a combination of a pre-distorter, which was a diode based network which did a piece-wise approximation of the sine, along with negative feedback around the entire transmitter. As there was not the phase shift associated with the usual modulation transformer, the system was stable with larger amounts of negative feedback. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jan 16 00:41:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56958 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 08:40:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 08:40:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 08:40:59 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cb7.2070462c (29679) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:40:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:40:50 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Citation for Part 15 Violation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=5c9Uk5HSplDNTZIx6mdS_luX9uxiHX0R8PZ1urauNDuGVwCQu1-8zGr8YEJFoHU3 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A very short helical antenna would be operating in the normal mode which performs much like short monopole of the same size. Have you run a simulation? It would appear in order to get a long enough length of wire wound on the support structure, you would essential have aircore inductors with the outer terminals open. I have wonder if these guys who use these large aircore loading coils aren't getting their signal improvement from radiation from the coil itself. There are other techniques, but it you center feed the antenna, you need a balanced drive. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Jan 16 09:38:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3896 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 17:38:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 17:38:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 17:38:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10175 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2008 17:38:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wniga3sVM1kcXgld.FAsZEm50gF9CcWU_LO_kRdPq9GTJwa9McvLexnyoUhnDzYztspjofnRWpus78a.S81NOl9_OQ-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:38:38 PST Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:38:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <228507.9610.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=v0KY6j7lzHRORAzyCDn3o0KT3obSCjawxVuLLgpNNPZPOg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Thanks for explaining that! I had wondered for some time how they obtained linearity. Interesting stuff! RCA built a 250 kW. version of that monster, and gave it the serial number "XERF"...no mystery where THAT one went, eh? Wolfman himself was heard over that box, but as you said, they were trouble for a lot of engineers, and XERF had their share of problems. A guy named Mike Vendetti (?) got the rig going one last time, right as the glory days of border radio were coming to an end, but after he left, they finally gave up and became a 10 kW. local. Oh, for a time machine... George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > The RCA Ampliphase was essentially all analog. The > first Ampliphase was, in > fact, all tube. There was two-fold problem with it. > The first was phase > drift. If anyone has worked with a boatanchor tube > Tek scope, you know what that > is all about. The second was most transmitter > engineers in the field didn't > understand how it worked well enough to keep it > properly aligned. > > You are correct. The Ampliphase transfer function > is not linear. It's a > sine function. RCA used a combination of a > pre-distorter, which was a diode > based network which did a piece-wise approximation > of the sine, along with > negative feedback around the entire transmitter. As > there was not the phase shift > associated with the usual modulation transformer, > the system was stable with > larger amounts of negative feedback. > > Mike > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Jan 16 09:47:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47876 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 17:47:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 17:47:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 17:47:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15337 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2008 17:47:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3lYHWKwVM1nvL0zFZUSxbF1KJAamLhQnlR6YhOI3DCiXy14yDUzJ7jp1BLgFYYi0jE2QfkpqlZL5XEd3fBSLhb.Xow-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:47:20 PST Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:47:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <86181.14214.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Citation for Part 15 Violation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=SdBsFjiTUBlnpa6jYpFODL0B6mmTZ9qd1rSmHMWCSu5Hjw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Actually, we were considering PVC pipe, if it doesn't have any nasty electrical effects. Idea is to have a center section that holds the coax terminal, a tuning capacitor, and the inner ends of the two slinkies. Then the slinkies would be stretched, free standing around the pipe, and secured by end caps. If the pipe is maybe half the diameter of the slinkie, it shouldn't have much effect electrically, I hope. At this point it is all conjecture...some in the group we formed to build this station are losing interest, they think you just plug it all in and play it, and are too impatient for results. But I may go ahead with it anyway, and provide a service for our club's July week-end long swap meet. As for balanced feed, our original intent was to build a SMALL RF amp, maybe a watt or two, and design it to feed such an antenna, but with Uncle Charlie starting to bother LPAM's, that may go on the back burner for now, hah-hah! Regards, George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > A very short helical antenna would be operating in > the normal mode which > performs much like short monopole of the same size. > > Have you run a simulation? It would appear in order > to get a long enough > length of wire wound on the support structure, you > would essential have aircore > inductors with the outer terminals open. > > I have wonder if these guys who use these large > aircore loading coils aren't > getting their signal improvement from radiation from > the coil itself. > > There are other techniques, but it you center feed > the antenna, you need a > balanced drive. > > Mike > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wa2fnq@optonline.net Wed Jan 16 10:54:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70507 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 18:54:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 18:54:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.175) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 18:54:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2008 18:54:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2008 18:54:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2008 18:54:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:54:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CA25EC9101DEC6-1744-12A6@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=1h3qKr_EmVYq-oXMl-mcNceiSljpXW9JJ5fERbcQqfeR X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq It's FM because that was easier for me to do and right you are Amy,=20 that makes it more like the Belar system. I seem to remember doing=20 something different than what Belar was doing maybe with the pre- emphasis... but those brain cells are dead now. It was 1983 when I=20 did all of this. I wish I could make it in to the midwest. You never know. The band=20 has gone long on us a few times so it may be possible. When this=20 happens Pete and I have gone down to 160 meters. That's a neat band.=20 Right now I'm running @100 watts on 75 using a plate modulated=20 Johnson Adventurer (Yes, that was my novice transmitter) in to a=20 Heath SB-200 linear. The main transmitter is a homebrew 4-400 plate=20 modulated by a pair of 572B's which I can't run at full power=20 anymore because of the 1500 watt PEP maximum ruling. That rig is=20 also down right now due to an audio problem. The same AM stereo=20 stuff works with both transmitters. HA!! Yes, some Hams have that SSB sounding voice. To answer Joetapes comments... 2 SSB rigs run together off a common VFO wouldn't sound good at all.=20 The audio quality of a typical crystal filter SSB rig is quite poor=20 and audio quality is an issue. That's also not a cheap way to go.=20 There are many ways you can generate a stereo signal. What I did was=20 easy, cheap, required no change to my exsisting transmitters and it=20 works. Got a Sony SRF-42?? Put a converter ahead of it, sit back and=20 enjoy the stereo.=20 Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Jerry, >=20 > Do you mean FM modulation of the carrier with the L-R signal or=20 phase modulation??=20 > That would be alittle easier to do than the present CQUAM system. >=20 > I'd like to give you a listen sometime if you have reach into the=20 Midwest.? There is a ham in our neighborhood association that I pick=20 up on occassion? with my wired phone.? I thought he worked sideband=20 until I meet him in person and found out he just talks that way. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 _____________________________________________________________________ ___ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! -=20 http://webmail.aol.com >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jan 16 11:25:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71353 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 19:25:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 19:25:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 19:25:02 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d43.1848c841 (37529) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:24:55 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from MBLK-M20 (mblk-m20.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.53]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB012-9299478e5a0722f; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:24:55 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:24:55 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <86181.14214.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33706-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.53) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:24:55 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA268C9BDA881B-B54-B98@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Citation for Part 15 Violation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=8IBKHlYih3jklRoNq-lXe-WHNItQvXlF-XBIf8tymRleS9NcyihMaHRyaRgsKafH X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, if you're interested in a joint development project, I could supply some ideas and financing.? I like engineering challenges and to built things, but I don't have alot of use for? the fruits of such efforts.?? How I got started?on this idea was two-fold.? I wanted to built a 100mW prototype?of a next generation?Ampliphase?exciter which could be retrofitted into a 5kW RCA unit.?? Second, I wanted to build an antenna for Hank. It occurred to me there is a?need for a high quality, fully compliant,?Part 15 AM transmitter? built to best commercial standards at reasonable cost.? That means FCC certification which requires an integral antenna.? A whip is very low efficiency and narrow band if properly tuned.? The tuning is an issue.? Without tuning, a transmitter can't even deliver a microwatt of real power to?a simple 10 ft. metal whip.? If tuned, the?Q is so high, it hasn't got the necessary bandwidth.? If a ferrite core inductor is used to resonant it, then temperature drift is an issue if the transmitter is siting at the base of the antenna up on pole somewhere.? What the FCC considers a "ground lead" is also a complication for elevated applications. So I needed a more?sophisticated antenna. Your slinky idea might work, but not as a?helical antenna.? Helical have two modes.? Normal and axial.??3-meters is too short?for the antenna to function in the axial mode.? There are 1,700 megahertz axial mode helicals that are longer than that.? Besides, why would you want an antenna that?protects a very?narrow beam straight up in the sky?? The other mode is normal or broadside.? That is possible and what you want.? However, such very short antennas function much like their caged monopole counterparts.? That is, the antenna functions as a monopole with an effective element diameter as that of the slinky. What would be neat is if you could arrive at a form factor?where the inductance of each turn exactly?equals the?free air coupled capacitance. I have a 2.5 meter monopole that I can change the center support from copper to PVC to use as a support.? Where might one find a slinky?? The?mechanical problem I see it gravity.??Because of its weight, the convolutions are going to be closer together at the bottom than the top, which messes up the helix.? I suppose I could?change all the fold elements to PVC as well and just wind wire around the whole thing and sweep it.??How much wire are you suggesting?? 1/4 lamda adjusting for the velocity factor of copper?? Any impedance predictions? Mike ? -----Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:47 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Citation for Part 15 Violation Actually, we were considering PVC pipe, if it doesn't have any nasty electrical effects. Idea is to have a center section that holds the coax terminal, a tuning capacitor, and the inner ends of the two slinkies. Then the slinkies would be stretched, free standing around the pipe, and secured by end caps. If the pipe is maybe half the diameter of the slinkie, it shouldn't have much effect electrically, I hope. At this point it is all conjecture...some in the group we formed to build this station are losing interest, they think you just plug it all in and play it, and are too impatient for results. But I may go ahead with it anyway, and provide a service for our club's July week-end long swap meet. As for balanced feed, our original intent was to build a SMALL RF amp, maybe a watt or two, and design it to feed such an antenna, but with Uncle Charlie starting to bother LPAM's, that may go on the back burner for now, hah-hah! Regards, George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > A very short helical antenna would be operating in > the normal mode which > performs much like short monopole of the same size. > > Have you run a simulation? It would appear in order > to get a long enough > length of wire wound on the support structure, you > would essential have aircore > inductors with the outer terminals open. > > I have wonder if these guys who use these large > aircore loading coils aren't > getting their signal improvement from radiation from > the coil itself. > > There are other techniques, but it you center feed > the antenna, you need a > balanced drive. > > Mike > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jan 16 11:45:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35639 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 19:45:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 19:45:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 19:45:54 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bdd.22a6aa8c (37120) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:45:42 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from MBLK-M20 (mblk-m20.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.53]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA016-9100478e5ee6ce; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:45:42 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:45:42 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <228507.9610.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33706-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.53) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:45:42 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA268F83302A63-B54-D3F@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=A27hXAviI_T6VZ8BR_X7hqFaK7bIXbnzOaNRCbMjTgvEg6EuxXuSmsZ27idkFjYD X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RCA built some real monsters in the Ampliphase genre.? Their unprecedented efficiency of their time combined with the lower cost of not having a huge modulator and transformer made it possible to built some really large units.? RCA built some 500kW units for Mexico (XEX I think).? Big difference in those units and the 500kW unit RCA built for WLW a couple of decades earlier. There was a saying amongst transmitter engineers to the effect that Ampliphase drove many of them to drink which was the only?positive thing that could be said about those plants. Today, implementing a highly accurate sinusoidal transfer element is a cinch.? It's a small PROM with a lookup table.? A 16-bit x 16-bit ROM is tiny by today's standards.? A rock stable phase modulator is also a cinch.? Phase in the frequency domain?is nothing but displacement in the time domain, a timer in other words.? In fact, you could have a completely digital path from source to RF final!? As the cute redhead for HughesNet says, "How cool is that?" Doing?purely amplitude modulated L+R with purely phase modulated L-R AM stereo is doable in hardware.? So would be regular quadrature modulation.? It's what Motorola did to make the quadrature signal compatible with envelope detectors that is involved. Mike -----Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:38 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! Thanks for explaining that! I had wondered for some time how they obtained linearity. Interesting stuff! RCA built a 250 kW. version of that monster, and gave it the serial number "XERF"...no mystery where THAT one went, eh? Wolfman himself was heard over that box, but as you said, they were trouble for a lot of engineers, and XERF had their share of problems. A guy named Mike Vendetti (?) got the rig going one last time, right as the glory days of border radio were coming to an end, but after he left, they finally gave up and became a 10 kW. local. Oh, for a time machine... George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > The RCA Ampliphase was essentially all analog. The > first Ampliphase was, in > fact, all tube. There was two-fold problem with it. > The first was phase > drift. If anyone has worked with a boatanchor tube > Tek scope, you know what that > is all about. The second was most transmitter > engineers in the field didn't > understand how it worked well enough to keep it > properly aligned. > > You are correct. The Ampliphase transfer function > is not linear. It's a > sine function. RCA used a combination of a > pre-distorter, which was a diode > based network which did a piece-wise approximation > of the sine, along with > negative feedback around the entire transmitter. As > there was not the phase shift > associated with the usual modulation transformer, > the system was stable with > larger amounts of negative feedback. > > Mike > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jan 16 11:50:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9643 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 19:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 19:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 19:50:26 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d0c.244d040c (37121) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:50:20 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from MBLK-M20 (mblk-m20.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.53]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA017-9101478e5ffc1f5; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:50:20 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:50:20 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33706-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.53) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:50:20 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA269028F76D57-B54-D8F@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=QSiDF77ek1orhUrVi0ZmPT-d-3VpmPe74ken18KyqhvPODjVB_h6xE86-LFm7MUU X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How would you like to DPWM your 4-400's?? 160 meters is doable for sure.? 80 meters may be a little too fast. Mike -----Original Message----- From: wa2fnq To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:54 pm Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew It's FM because that was easier for me to do and right you are Amy, that makes it more like the Belar system. I seem to remember doing something different than what Belar was doing maybe with the pre- emphasis... but those brain cells are dead now. It was 1983 when I did all of this. I wish I could make it in to the midwest. You never know. The band has gone long on us a few times so it may be possible. When this happens Pete and I have gone down to 160 meters. That's a neat band. Right now I'm running @100 watts on 75 using a plate modulated Johnson Adventurer (Yes, that was my novice transmitter) in to a Heath SB-200 linear. The main transmitter is a homebrew 4-400 plate modulated by a pair of 572B's which I can't run at full power anymore because of the 1500 watt PEP maximum ruling. That rig is also down right now due to an audio problem. The same AM stereo stuff works with both transmitters. HA!! Yes, some Hams have that SSB sounding voice. To answer Joetapes comments... 2 SSB rigs run together off a common VFO wouldn't sound good at all. The audio quality of a typical crystal filter SSB rig is quite poor and audio quality is an issue. That's also not a cheap way to go. There are many ways you can generate a stereo signal. What I did was easy, cheap, required no change to my exsisting transmitters and it works. Got a Sony SRF-42?? Put a converter ahead of it, sit back and enjoy the stereo. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Jerry, > > Do you mean FM modulation of the carrier with the L-R signal or phase modulation?? > That would be alittle easier to do than the present CQUAM system. > > I'd like to give you a listen sometime if you have reach into the Midwest.? There is a ham in our neighborhood association that I pick up on occassion? with my wired phone.? I thought he worked sideband until I meet him in person and found out he just talks that way. > > Mike > > > > __________________________________________________________ ___ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Wed Jan 16 12:31:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15811 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 20:31:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 20:31:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 20:31:37 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c54.25045976 (37252) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:31:27 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-ma07.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA072-9184478e699d10f; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:31:26 -0500 Message-ID: <007101c8587e$efd86900$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:32:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=7mc6-UrjFUhd7Ssdwlf1cTNFhOh6GuQ3_cB35lTWZ0zL9BYJUFNn X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit where do you get the converter at? ----- Original Message ----- From: wa2fnq To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:54 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew It's FM because that was easier for me to do and right you are Amy, that makes it more like the Belar system. I seem to remember doing something different than what Belar was doing maybe with the pre- emphasis... but those brain cells are dead now. It was 1983 when I did all of this. I wish I could make it in to the midwest. You never know. The band has gone long on us a few times so it may be possible. When this happens Pete and I have gone down to 160 meters. That's a neat band. Right now I'm running @100 watts on 75 using a plate modulated Johnson Adventurer (Yes, that was my novice transmitter) in to a Heath SB-200 linear. The main transmitter is a homebrew 4-400 plate modulated by a pair of 572B's which I can't run at full power anymore because of the 1500 watt PEP maximum ruling. That rig is also down right now due to an audio problem. The same AM stereo stuff works with both transmitters. HA!! Yes, some Hams have that SSB sounding voice. To answer Joetapes comments... 2 SSB rigs run together off a common VFO wouldn't sound good at all. The audio quality of a typical crystal filter SSB rig is quite poor and audio quality is an issue. That's also not a cheap way to go. There are many ways you can generate a stereo signal. What I did was easy, cheap, required no change to my exsisting transmitters and it works. Got a Sony SRF-42?? Put a converter ahead of it, sit back and enjoy the stereo. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Jerry, > > Do you mean FM modulation of the carrier with the L-R signal or phase modulation?? > That would be alittle easier to do than the present CQUAM system. > > I'd like to give you a listen sometime if you have reach into the Midwest.? There is a ham in our neighborhood association that I pick up on occassion? with my wired phone.? I thought he worked sideband until I meet him in person and found out he just talks that way. > > Mike > > > > __________________________________________________________ ___ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Jan 16 12:51:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52387 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 20:51:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 20:51:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 20:51:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 40455 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2008 20:51:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OIIbxI4VM1nNFV0Rwq6yGOgf1hadS7xEAHeF5NtHuLlLXaJXPqmLdD5Xk1RPeecmWa0eZcd83Q1RhdZTU6GiFibg1xpecVee51Ic13iVj7A.nhQS2uA- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:51:20 PST Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:51:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA268C9BDA881B-B54-B98@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <200812.40436.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Citation for Part 15 Violation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=wrmXfOrLSwhJb-0p0BGKHeP0XASOWa2eVG21NThlldmVVw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 A new-version Ampliphase? I love it! I admire folks who keep history alive by not only repeating it, but IMPROVING it...I wish you luck, and would love to hear it working! I've wondered if I may someday do the same idea with the old Continental 317, but for now that remains on the "maybe" list. The whole reason behind my quest for a small but efficient antenna, was born out of a desire to serve the small city of Durand, Michigan, with week-end local radio service, on a non-profit, non-commercial basis. Currently, there is no AM station anywhere in Shiawassee County, and the big guys in Flint and Lansing don't bother with small towns. As a member of a group of train nuts who hang around at the Durand Depot and Railway Museum, I brought up the idea of our own station one evening, and was surprised at the response...everyone liked the idea. I found that we had among us some decent talent, both in electronics and writing/performing behind the mike, and the idea seemed to gather momentum quickly. I promised to provide the transmitter, antenna, and audio equipment, and purchased several items on ebay, such as a multi-band processor, NRSC processor, peak limiter/clipper, etc. This is what got me into the MiniDisc scene! I have a complete production studio here where I live, but didn't want to haul a rack full of equipment and the control desk on a 180-mile round trip every week-end. I figured I needed a good, reliable medium to take the finished programs to the transmitter, and after considering cassette, DAT, and open-reel tape, the minidisc proved the best solution. I could apply the processing, NRSC curve, and peak limiting to the audio here at home, then take the finished disc to the transmitter...kind of a very delayed STL. We actually made a trial run, using the Alfredo Lite (in mono) and a long wire antenna, just to guage sound quality. It worked beyond my fondest hopes, and it seemed our little station was going to come true. But some among us soon lost interest, not having patience with the process, leaving just a few die-hards like me to keep the idea going. I still hope to get this project going, but am currently between jobs, and can not go to the depot for now. Currently, a friend and I are hoping to build the slinky, and test it out here in Warren, then when re-employement permits, I'll take it to Durand for another trial, hopefully re-igniting interest. If the slinky doesn't do the trick, we may just shunt-feed the big tower behind the depot that holds up Canadian National's UHF antennae, LOL! As for the proposed slinky, yes, I figured to use 1/4 wave of wire, trimmed for capacitance and velocity, then adjusted with a capacitor in the center. Slinkies do stretch, but from the pictures I've seen, the stretch looks like it is pretty constant from top to bottom...could be wrong on that, of course. Alternate we considered was just winding the turns with wire directly on the PVC, but the slinky would be far easier to put up and take down, reducible to small sections that could easily fit in the trunk of a car. According to your analysis, though, I may opt to use a slinky to build a single 5/8 radiator, and ground mount it with some copper radials...we shall see. We both agree on one thing for sure...there needs to be a GOOD part 15 transmitter offered for sale. Perhaps your Ampliphase is what will do just that! I believe a lot, if not most, LPAMs want to sound just as good as the big boys, and have spent a lot of money on processing, only to find their good audio mangled by bad transmitters. A decent transmitter would certainly sell to such folks, I'd bet. Keep me posted if you build the Ampliphase, I would seriously like to hear some over-the-air recordings of it! Regards, George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Actually, if you're interested in a joint > development project, I could supply some ideas and > financing.? I like engineering challenges and to > built things, but I don't have alot of use for? the > fruits of such efforts.?? > > How I got started?on this idea was two-fold.? I > wanted to built a 100mW prototype?of a next > generation?Ampliphase?exciter which could be > retrofitted into a 5kW RCA unit.?? Second, I wanted > to build an antenna for Hank. > > It occurred to me there is a?need for a high > quality, fully compliant,?Part 15 AM transmitter? > built to best commercial standards at reasonable > cost.? That means FCC certification which requires > an integral antenna.? > > A whip is very low efficiency and narrow band if > properly tuned.? The tuning is an issue.? Without > tuning, a transmitter can't even deliver a microwatt > of real power to?a simple 10 ft. metal whip.? If > tuned, the?Q is so high, it hasn't got the necessary > bandwidth.? If a ferrite core inductor is used to > resonant it, then temperature drift is an issue if > the transmitter is siting at the base of the antenna > up on pole somewhere.? What the FCC considers a > "ground lead" is also a complication for elevated > applications. > > So I needed a more?sophisticated antenna. > > Your slinky idea might work, but not as a?helical > antenna.? Helical have two modes.? Normal and > axial.??3-meters is too short?for the antenna to > function in the axial mode.? There are 1,700 > megahertz axial mode helicals that are longer than > that.? Besides, why would you want an antenna > that?protects a very?narrow beam straight up in the > sky?? The other mode is normal or broadside.? That > is possible and what you want.? However, such very > short antennas function much like their caged > monopole counterparts.? That is, the antenna > functions as a monopole with an effective element > diameter as that of the slinky. > > What would be neat is if you could arrive at a form > factor?where the inductance of each turn > exactly?equals the?free air coupled capacitance. > > I have a 2.5 meter monopole that I can change the > center support from copper to PVC to use as a > support.? Where might one find a slinky?? > The?mechanical problem I see it gravity.??Because of > its weight, the convolutions are going to be closer > together at the bottom than the top, which messes up > the helix.? I suppose I could?change all the fold > elements to PVC as well and just wind wire around > the whole thing and sweep it.??How much wire are you > suggesting?? 1/4 lamda adjusting for the velocity > factor of copper?? Any impedance predictions? > > Mike > ? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:47 am > Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Citation for Part 15 > Violation > > > > > > > Actually, we were considering PVC pipe, if it > doesn't > have any nasty electrical effects. Idea is to have a > center section that holds the coax terminal, a > tuning > capacitor, and the inner ends of the two slinkies. > Then the slinkies would be stretched, free standing > around the pipe, and secured by end caps. If the > pipe > is maybe half the diameter of the slinkie, it > shouldn't have much effect electrically, I hope. > At this point it is all conjecture...some in the > group > we formed to build this station are losing interest, > they think you just plug it all in and play it, and > are too impatient for results. > But I may go ahead with it anyway, and provide a > service for our club's July week-end long swap meet. > > As for balanced feed, our original intent was to > build > a SMALL RF amp, maybe a watt or two, and design it > to > feed such an antenna, but with Uncle Charlie > starting > to bother LPAM's, that may go on the back burner for > now, hah-hah! > Regards, > George > > --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > A very short helical antenna would be operating in > > the normal mode which > > performs much like short monopole of the same > size. > > > > Have you run a simulation? It would appear in > order > > to get a long enough > > length of wire wound on the support structure, you > > would essential have aircore > > inductors with the outer terminals open. > > > > I have wonder if these guys who use these large > > aircore loading coils aren't > > getting their signal improvement from radiation > from > > the coil itself. > > > > There are other techniques, but it you center feed > > the antenna, you need a > > balanced drive. > > > > Mike > > > > > > ************** > > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > > shape. > > > > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Jan 16 12:57:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27810 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 20:57:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 20:57:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 20:57:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 47327 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2008 20:57:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fM.paoEVM1nVIbEnCDuzQYKlybVJgZ7tKkddRf26owP79C2ircZgsipQ5hixIdMEHlGOOj9B.IQjV1pvaD9Pmth.ugks6yLT2q74EnoqewFG3GaxNw0- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:57:10 PST Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:57:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA268F83302A63-B54-D3F@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <449025.47046.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=FCnHyIqiQsRGchc1ipeQGlLN2-_GPiYqio02EteHswMyNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Let me see if I understand this...you have a stable RF crystal oscillator, which is split into the two phases reqwuired for Ampliphase, but you could also phase-modulate the oscillator, sort of like Magnavox PMX did? Yeah, with today's cheap and powerful digital stuff, I bet you can pull it off nicely! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > RCA built some real monsters in the Ampliphase > genre.? Their unprecedented efficiency of their time > combined with the lower cost of not having a huge > modulator and transformer made it possible to built > some really large units.? RCA built some 500kW units > for Mexico (XEX I think).? Big difference in those > units and the 500kW unit RCA built for WLW a couple > of decades earlier. > > There was a saying amongst transmitter engineers to > the effect that Ampliphase drove many of them to > drink which was the only?positive thing that could > be said about those plants. > > Today, implementing a highly accurate sinusoidal > transfer element is a cinch.? It's a small PROM with > a lookup table.? A 16-bit x 16-bit ROM is tiny by > today's standards.? A rock stable phase modulator is > also a cinch.? Phase in the frequency domain?is > nothing but displacement in the time domain, a timer > in other words.? In fact, you could have a > completely digital path from source to RF final!? As > the cute redhead for HughesNet says, "How cool is > that?" > > Doing?purely amplitude modulated L+R with purely > phase modulated L-R AM stereo is doable in > hardware.? So would be regular quadrature > modulation.? It's what Motorola did to make the > quadrature signal compatible with envelope detectors > that is involved. > > Mike > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:38 am > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special > offer! > > > > > > > Thanks for explaining that! I had wondered for some > time how they obtained linearity. Interesting stuff! > > > RCA built a 250 kW. version of that monster, and > gave > it the serial number "XERF"...no mystery where THAT > one went, eh? > Wolfman himself was heard over that box, but as you > said, they were trouble for a lot of engineers, and > XERF had their share of problems. > A guy named Mike Vendetti (?) got the rig going one > last time, right as the glory days of border radio > were coming to an end, but after he left, they > finally > gave up and became a 10 kW. local. Oh, for a time > machine... > George > --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > The RCA Ampliphase was essentially all analog. The > > first Ampliphase was, in > > fact, all tube. There was two-fold problem with > it. > > The first was phase > > drift. If anyone has worked with a boatanchor tube > > Tek scope, you know what that > > is all about. The second was most transmitter > > engineers in the field didn't > > understand how it worked well enough to keep it > > properly aligned. > > > > You are correct. The Ampliphase transfer function > > is not linear. It's a > > sine function. RCA used a combination of a > > pre-distorter, which was a diode > > based network which did a piece-wise approximation > > of the sine, along with > > negative feedback around the entire transmitter. > As > > there was not the phase shift > > associated with the usual modulation transformer, > > the system was stable with > > larger amounts of negative feedback. > > > > Mike > > > > > > ************** > > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > > shape. > > > > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jan 16 14:55:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97778 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 22:55:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 22:55:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 22:55:11 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c5b.244926af (34932) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:54:57 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from WEBMAIL-DC17 (webmail-dc17.webmail.aol.com [205.188.149.39]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA045-8874478e8b413a7; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:54:57 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:54:57 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <200812.40436.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33706-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-DC17.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.39) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:54:57 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA26A9F357CD31-CB0-19E6@WEBMAIL-DC17.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Citation for Part 15 Violation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=CcZ477bSD6a-J7AD_PWI_gdmaUX66hX7DpajG9ptfZ7IxmLFJHCfw_6OvJVoyiQx X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RCA didn't invent the Ampliphase principle.? It was?Henry Chireix in?in the mid-30s.? RCA didn't even develop the idea.?The McClatchy in-house engineering department did.? KFBK, the Sacramento flamethrower, had the first 50kW Chireix based transmitter.? McClatchy talked RCA into?turning the design into a commercial product.? Ampliphase was a brilliant concept, far ahead of its time.? Unfortunately, it took another 50 years for? technology to evolve to be point it could be reliably implemented.? The first Ampliphase exciter looked alot like Armstrong's early FM exciters.? Chains of cascaded vacuum tube ?phase modulators.? The Ampliphase principle is still viable.? However, its owner, RCA Broadcast Products, is no longer.? Actually, the Ampliphase principle would have worked as well or better for the ultimate state of the art BE 4M system.? My guess is BE didn't want to buy the rights and the reputation Ampliphase had in the industry. By the way, there was a station in Kalamazoo on the low end of the dial (I forget the call) that was the poster child of RCA's Ampliphase product.? Of course, being RCA, that's what all the NBC flagship stations used. Properly adjustment, Ampliphase transmitter ran fantastic proofs.? Much like a colleague's Jaguar would do 140 mph.? When it was running Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Jan 16 15:03:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24412 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 23:03:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 23:03:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.179) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 23:03:44 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id n39so535708pyh.31 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:03:44 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.86.12 with SMTP id o12mr1508888pyl.27.1200524623858; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:03:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:03:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80801161503i400fcabfkd20b2d1b21a31f8c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:03:43 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA26A9F357CD31-CB0-19E6@WEBMAIL-DC17.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200812.40436.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CA26A9F357CD31-CB0-19E6@WEBMAIL-DC17.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Citation for Part 15 Violation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=doYyqD-pTpJQG6Gag3hKU722OseEeHtci-FZJDTus70_LTHT2Nyal19s X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Im not one of the moderators here, but I think Powell or Kevin would agree.. arent we getting way off topic from the subject line and even away from DXing?? Paul On Jan 16, 2008 5:54 PM, wrote: > RCA didn't invent the Ampliphase principle.? It was?Henry Chireix in?in > the mid-30s.? RCA didn't even develop the idea.?The McClatchy in-house > engineering department did.? KFBK, the Sacramento flamethrower, had the > first 50kW Chireix based transmitter.? McClatchy talked RCA into?turning the > design into a commercial product.? > > Ampliphase was a brilliant concept, far ahead of its time.? Unfortunately, > it took another 50 years for? technology to evolve to be point it could be > reliably implemented.? The first Ampliphase exciter looked alot like > Armstrong's early FM exciters.? Chains of cascaded vacuum tube ?phase > modulators.? > > The Ampliphase principle is still viable.? However, its owner, RCA > Broadcast Products, is no longer.? Actually, the Ampliphase principle would > have worked as well or better for the ultimate state of the art BE 4M > system.? My guess is BE didn't want to buy the rights and the reputation > Ampliphase had in the industry. > > By the way, there was a station in Kalamazoo on the low end of the dial (I > forget the call) that was the poster child of RCA's Ampliphase product.? Of > course, being RCA, that's what all the NBC flagship stations used. > > Properly adjustment, Ampliphase transmitter ran fantastic proofs.? Much > like a colleague's Jaguar would do 140 mph.? When it was running > > Mike > > __________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jan 16 15:09:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27502 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2008 23:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2008 23:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2008 23:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c1b.22a2bc91 (37036) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:09:12 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from MBLK-M18 (mblk-m18.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.51]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB026-90ac478e8e97168; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:09:11 -0500 References: <200812.40436.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CA26A9F357CD31-CB0-19E6@WEBMAIL-DC17.sysops.aol.com> <8bce0fe80801161503i400fcabfkd20b2d1b21a31f8c@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:09:11 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80801161503i400fcabfkd20b2d1b21a31f8c@mail.gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33706-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.51) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:09:11 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA26ABF04F67F4-A34-1FE8@MBLK-M18.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Citation for Part 15 Violation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=YML6_BS-4GwbVn4eEHqaq7YDrWofx9v6VDc3h9Q5KVZf0cgFt2vYNW-I4ByKOhZw X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a word, yes.=C2=A0=20 That is why a suggested a new thread for low power AMS transmitters and ant= ennas. Mike However, on topic of AM Stereo, here a blurb from downunder on Ampliphase, = CQUAM, and digital: e. info@innescorp.com.au=20 New South Wales, Australia Transmitters=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0Digital AM - Don't throw away that Ampliphase Transmitter Digital AM - Don't throw away that Ampliphase Transmitter Author: John Innes=20 =C2=A0=20 Digital AM? Don=E2=80=99t Throw Away That Ampliphase Transmitter! Perhaps you want to dip a toe in the water when AM digital tests start, pro= bably with a DRM exciter, and are wondering about transmitter conversions. = If you have an RCA Ampliphase transmitter, maybe in use as a standby or jus= t gathering dust, consider the following: Rule of thumb: if a transmitter can perform well in AM Stereo, it should pa= ss digital AM. The Ampliphase transmitters made good test figures on C-QUAM= using the identical exciter settings to the internal test transmitter in t= he exciter. There is no PWM frequency to produce aliasing artifacts, and no modulator f= ilter to limit audio bandwidth. A standard Ampliphase transmitter was 3 dB down at 26 kHz. Its audio bandwi= dth was so wide that it produced "monkey chatter" in adjacent channels from= audio noise above 10 kHz in the feed from the studio, until the introducti= on of NRSC-compliant audio limiters.=20 Delay is identical in the audio and the RF path, with a group delay equaliz= er incorporated in the original design to ensure this. DRM requires that the audio response extend down to DC. Purists in the USA = years ago used to make the simple modification needed to DC couple the audi= o input. DC coupling the drive regulator will need a little more work, but = can be done. Setup adjustments can be optimized to produce good plate efficiency at aver= age powers that are a small fraction of peak power. Of course, the old transmitter still runs up a considerable power bill. Whe= n solid state transmitters are available that are designed from scratch for= DRM, they will be more economical than the Ampliphase, be more stable in a= djustment and need less maintenance, and no doubt produce better test figur= es. When digital AM becomes a regular, revenue producing service, it will b= e time to buy a transmitter for it, and we will be able to help you with th= at purchase. But until then, consider a new use for the old transmitter. =C2=A0 Home | About Us | Product Catalogue | Partners | Technical Support | Contac= t | Terms & Conditions Microsoft, Windows, and the Windows logo are trademarks, or registered trad= emarks of Microsoft Corporation in the United States and/or other countries= . ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail= .aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 02:11:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4906 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 10:11:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 10:11:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.226) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 10:11:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 72245 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2008 10:11:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HDke8rAVM1nHXghNKFgocyvvdtdYezfpTeEOMImaY2kcwZ4YKCEt1n7eorbrj32qtPJT6uq7AiZneKyLxOGi.9_ZH1wQf.W1Rzj9Awk2LsgXw8BD_XGvPwr2KXG5kyGnnjFqugoZK1xIQSc- X-Received: from [64.223.32.101] by web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:11:22 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:11:22 -0800 (PST) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <69578.70147.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=-9uVYoBG5DlE337nBmxWCQ8EhjFHXgv6JcZ3XL4sOX1U9kgP8uLL X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the link: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0%2C9171%2C1702369%2C00.html. A lot of teens are buying L.P.s according to the article. They even quote Newbury Comics' C.E.O. as saying their vinyl sales were up 37% last year. Must've been what my friend Shawn,K1VSR & I bought! We're a couple of geezers* @ age 28! *= note- I'm using geezer in the American slang tradition of someone "older"/"old" not the British use of Geezer & no, @ 28 I don't consider myself old! --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 17 05:17:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82544 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 13:17:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 13:17:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 13:17:12 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ce1.1f76f738 (14467) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:17:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:17:06 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=cfux1Hza9JgRf8LzfMTu6V1itsXdnRPlTe6UFcg-_0HPAV22NsPymZ0g5f8cXlXY X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Personally, I think vinyl has an appealing, though perhaps not as accurate, sound. For you broadcast guys, if you used actual records, not carts, what was your favorite cartridge? Stanton 500AL, Shure 44C, or something else? I miss those old turntables and cueing. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 05:41:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40432 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 13:41:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 13:41:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.162) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 13:41:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80690 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2008 13:40:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Q9CFaaQVM1kz.ntAVTZml4gDBBbsaBqQysu0GW6hnGfMc6fTBXMgSBQUKM1Qtfm9xgSQpE_mbzh9yVts2Dt_yeDy3LEitk_Jz5kXpjvbOJClCjQ- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:40:59 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:40:59 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <439548.78864.qm@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Low Power CQUAM Transmitter Antennae X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=A7q0j86LzKB928FbqO2EREBRsv0KUF-HIOW2ppZsMVihSSdtmAQI7x4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I think the recent threads about antennae for part 15 rigs IS very valid on our group, as we are trying to find out the best way to make a decent, legal, Part15 antenna to broadcast AM STEREO using either our Alfredo Lite transmitters or ASPiSYS AM Stereo transmitters from Greece. Regarding Slinkys - I think I saw some for sale in the 'shop' at the Cracker Barrel restaurants! 73s John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Jan 17 06:01:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87811 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 14:01:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 14:01:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s33.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.105) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 14:01:54 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.84]) by bay0-omc1-s33.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:01:50 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:01:50 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:01:46 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: References: <439548.78864.qm@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:01:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2008 14:01:50.0685 (UTC) FILETIME=[81C9A0D0:01C85911] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Low Power CQUAM Transmitter Antennae X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=Yw2YUsNRjpHLvvrT2WuSPCwtxcMTcqjaCtr9e2v5HWJR X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd You may want to check this antenna out. 3 meter long TIS antenna.... http://part15.us/files.p15/tis_0.pdf i'm not sure if he is still in bussiness though. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." To: Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: {AMSF} Low Power CQUAM Transmitter Antennae >I think the recent threads about antennae for part 15 rigs IS very > valid on our group, as we are trying to find out the best way to make a > decent, legal, Part15 antenna to broadcast AM STEREO using either our > Alfredo Lite transmitters or ASPiSYS AM Stereo transmitters from > Greece. > > Regarding Slinkys - I think I saw some for sale in the 'shop' at the > Cracker Barrel restaurants! > > 73s > John > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 17 08:32:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38313 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 16:32:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 16:32:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 16:32:51 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cad.257e2d3d (37542) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:32:34 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MB05 (webmail-mb05.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.153]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB023-92a6478f83213ad; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:32:33 -0500 References: <439548.78864.qm@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:32:33 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MB05.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.153) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:32:33 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA273DB2675781-1480-118F@WEBMAIL-MB05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Low Power CQUAM Transmitter Antennae X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=sUPcLaivncMnUcxB2QCwNCk_WRCQTAx111U8IgJJThLsSQm2iFhUR0ylFHBnZVhD X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone ever used one of these antennas? I'm not certain he built what he thought he did.? The drawings are a bit rough, but it looks like he brought the end of the helix?through the center of the support tube back to the drive point?adding a couple of capacitors to resonate it.? I'm not an antenna expert and its been awhile since I took Fields and Waves, but I think he just built a big air core inductor. Looks like he lives just outside Chicagoland which is driving distance for me.? Next time I do Vienna Beef and gyro run, I will see if I can look him up. Thanks for the slinky source.? Cracker Barrel's have just about anything in those general stores.? Even if they don't have a slinky, I know they will have chicken and dumplings, so it won't be a wasted trip in any event. Yes, I eat.? Alot.? Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Thu Jan 17 08:47:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22661 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 16:47:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 16:47:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 16:47:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2008 16:47:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2008 16:47:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:47:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CA269028F76D57-B54-D8F@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=o1p1MTA8NO1umgigcJHFNT91Z4jYOfMY8k7463vmg0yW X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Do you mean pulse width modulation?? That works fine on 80 meters=20 and it's been done already by WA1QIX. Check out his site at: http://www.classeradio.com/wa1qix.htm PWM will work anywhere you want to. 73 for now. Jerry --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > >=20 > How would you like to DPWM your 4-400's?? 160 meters is doable for=20 sure.? 80 meters may be a little too fast.ou mean=20 >=20 >=20 From wa2fnq@optonline.net Thu Jan 17 09:00:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53388 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 17:00:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 17:00:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.183) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 17:00:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2008 17:00:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2008 17:00:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2008 17:00:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:00:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007101c8587e$efd86900$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=tm0_lgKrh0xBQShn0V1rh8cF-hT3oQaahmwkPj0cpnQM X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq I know Vectronics has a kit but I don't know how good it is. You could=20 try a web search for shortwave converter. Maybe e-bay?? I bought my=20 Gonset Super 6 at a local Hamfest. I remember in his early days of=20 mobiling my dad had one in his car. That's where I had mine when I=20 first got it. It gave me something else to listen to instead of the=20 local broacast stations. Jerry WA2FNQ=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > where do you get the converter at? >=20 From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 09:22:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55001 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 17:22:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 17:22:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 17:22:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18487 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2008 17:22:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: j6ysI1gVM1kXewz84uqM6EDcGb9cmJ5sOoqBbHS8dwY6wmS2zG2AjTvE13h8lLcYsEhIu7Zz8hwJPJWfW1AZ6j2qVrYNrvtoiFIABNLRDKzItYza5j8- X-Received: from [64.223.32.101] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:22:50 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:22:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <564434.17280.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=CJEIlt2cYQaUutt_PG3dYGqhXG9OQLIFnWuPYTl3z1CysvudVBzM X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Damn: Saddys I spend with my girlfriend. As a ham club member once said when you first get married your wife's response is "YOU'RE not going to the club!" vs. 20 years later when she says "You're not going to the club?" 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 (still waiting for my renewal of V31VQ) wa2fnq wrote: Hi Amy, Sorry for the late reply. Sometimes I don't get to keep up with things. Yes... 3.710 MHz in AM stereo. Always. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > You still doing AMS there, or has that gone by the wayside in more > recent times? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > *grumbles about the lack of AMS hams in the western US- What few there > are in the eastern US are too far away* > --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 09:56:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58754 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 17:56:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 17:56:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.164) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 17:56:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 59736 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2008 17:56:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: f7FlWcMVM1lQFuV_pXt0Hxgt3kEV3WXHES16GD_NG7a_yGRI941r9s2cJvUGKZac4oISkUlHxg-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:56:24 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:56:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <698399.58865.qm@web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=jl7FYUZYIhuKrKliLULud-JKh6rDEteDE3A81FmMwwI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > For you broadcast guys, if you used actual records, > not carts, what was your > favorite cartridge? Stanton 500AL, Shure 44C, or > something else? The 500AL was FAR more durable The Shure M44C had a very fragile stylus. Too much side to side movement bent the stylus badly. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 17 10:06:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57350 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 18:06:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 18:06:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 18:06:07 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c71.22d4ee0f (34988) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:05:17 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MB06 (webmail-mb06.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.154]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB011-88ac478f98dd1c9; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:05:17 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:05:17 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MB06.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.154) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:05:17 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA274AA65AA55E-8FC-323@WEBMAIL-MB06.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=XTpZMJ-nUVI9oaLZaQczMvX8iIORcJMVc8YFL8zp7HO44chubPsZe3dlZkVmf9oN X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jerry, PWM usually refers to just the modulator.? Instead a high power Class AB or B audio amplifier coupled to an RF final via a modulation transformer (and sometimes reactor), a high power PWM audio amplifier operating at a?repitition rate of 80 or so kilohertz?is directly coupled to the RF final through a low pass filter to remove the artifacts of the 80?kilohertz PWM frequency.? You're right.? In this?sheme, it doesn't matter what the RF operating frequency is of the final.?? It's like any other Class C?high level modulated final.?? Direct?PWM is horse of different color entirely.??Amplitude modulation is obtained by directly varying on-time?of the RF final at carrier frequency.? The is no modulator, low pass filter, or intermediate frequency.? The final is either turned-on or off.?? A very small circuit can control very big tubes.? For example, just a?small pair of high voltage power mosfets can?switch a 10,000 watt tetrode.? Because the tube is either on or off, efficiency is very high. Because the system runs at carrier frequency, there is a limitation due to how fast?the?power mosfets?switch.? High voltage mosfets are relatively slow which?results in a practical limit on the?carrier frequency.? The AM broadcast band is achieveable as would be 160 meters. For truly top notch?CQUAM,?DPWM or Ampliphase have many advantages.? While the two may seem radically different, the?two or more less?the same thing when ones does the analysis.? RCA tried building Ampliphase shortwave transmitters, but they were a bust.? The?power and RF sections were?fine, as RCA could do very well, but the exciter was?another story.? It just wouldn't reliably operate at SW frequencies. With DPWM, you can turn a 1KW CW transmitter into a AM?transmitter without a whole lot of fuss. By the way, that's?quite a shack you have. Mike? Do you mean pulse width modulation?? That works fine on 80 meters and it's been done already by WA1QIX. Check out his site at: http://www.classeradio.com/wa1qix.htm PWM will work anywhere you want to. 73 for now. Jerry ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 17 10:14:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90116 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 18:14:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 18:14:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 18:14:31 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cfe.238d49e3 (37533) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:14:19 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MB06 (webmail-mb06.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.154]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB016-929d478f9afb3a5; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:14:19 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:14:19 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <698399.58865.qm@web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MB06.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.154) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:14:19 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA274BE95F377A-8FC-3B7@WEBMAIL-MB06.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Ycer8e6KNmAY81h1eXh0USacC32cT663gQ5_jE9gnpD3HWMtCikyHvNAfoSs3Wyt X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My experience exactly!? I know the "scratch" DJ's nowadays use the Shure, I never had any luck with them.? We tried using the Shure a number of years ago because they were available through discount channel, but they just wouldn't hold up.? The stylii had to changed so often, the hole on the cartridge body would get so wallered out, it wouldn't hold the stylus anymore. The Stanton 500AL may not have had the best specs, nor have been the cheapest, but they sure held up.? Even with board operators whose knuckles dragged on floor when they weren't slip-cueing records. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:56 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > For you broadcast guys, if you used actual records, > not carts, what was your > favorite cartridge? Stanton 500AL, Shure 44C, or > something else? The 500AL was FAR more durable The Shure M44C had a very fragile stylus. Too much side to side movement bent the stylus badly. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Thu Jan 17 12:02:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44978 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 20:02:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 20:02:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 20:02:19 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c42.2545b252 (34981) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:02:09 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA086-88a5478fb43e7; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:02:08 -0500 Message-ID: <006701c85943$e45f9790$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <69578.70147.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:02:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=6LosbOh_XMfI7nfMQvBeKA2kvXyiUhZ7TVRuR3G_C-_9F1tSynok X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit vinyl kicks booty now if we could only make our own that would be even better. I love the way vinyl sounds btw I am one year yunger then you at 27 and my vinyl collection is pritty big ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: AMSF Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:11 AM Subject: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time Here's the link: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0%2C9171%2C1702369%2C00.html. A lot of teens are buying L.P.s according to the article. They even quote Newbury Comics' C.E.O. as saying their vinyl sales were up 37% last year. Must've been what my friend Shawn,K1VSR & I bought! We're a couple of geezers* @ age 28! *= note- I'm using geezer in the American slang tradition of someone "older"/"old" not the British use of Geezer & no, @ 28 I don't consider myself old! --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 17 12:07:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89162 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 20:07:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 20:07:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (216.252.100.62) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 20:07:07 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2008 20:07:07 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2008 20:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.142] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2008 20:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2008 20:07:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 886243.6889.bm@omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 34636 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2008 20:07:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .Q2e50UVM1nfViFBcsH0d1iG5TslNoFO.YrBNStdjfJE0sv1HfWoFGJcuGNcQGWQyZOHwk0KRVAhb8fu.NVrh1DyfGnKAfJQ7iStR2ufHrio X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:07:05 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:07:05 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <698399.58865.qm@web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <869189.34232.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 216.252.100.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ifWvNgObyUcQmrJrL7gKf74ojUygVU4xbBXzHw1H0g2Z3KJ23EY2 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I agree. I have a Stanton 500 on one of my turntbles here. Works quite nicely. -Kevin --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > For you broadcast guys, if you used actual > records, > > not carts, what was your > > favorite cartridge? Stanton 500AL, Shure 44C, or > > something else? > > The 500AL was FAR more durable The Shure M44C had a > very fragile stylus. Too much side to side movement > bent the stylus badly. > > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 12:22:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93270 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 20:22:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 20:22:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.158) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 20:22:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5644 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2008 20:22:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UTzFiDcVM1kFD5lWbn.EMJyQaUggBi6OuZKx17rHnD.6P1YKuqWNm_kIMkqmzolFmtxKOefkjw-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:22:47 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:22:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <869189.34232.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <729682.1772.qm@web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=eadBQBcADiQO2HlumrwCSqRkF65Wa6Yz8FFBVevfRUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- clemsonbloke wrote: > I agree. I have a Stanton 500 on one of my > turntbles > here. Works quite nicely. The 500 EE is way better than the AL....just a stylus change. I have a 681EE buried somewhere in the mess in Columbia.... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 17 13:47:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22003 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 21:47:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 21:47:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 21:47:29 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bed.1a1ebec3 (37557) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:47:21 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from FWM-D09 (fwm-d09.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.201]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB036-92b5478fcce838f; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:47:20 -0500 References: <69578.70147.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <006701c85943$e45f9790$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:47:20 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <006701c85943$e45f9790$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.201) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:47:20 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA2769ABF3D2D4-D1C-2A6F@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=BERRDkU11_ITcZLCVlMgQQS3vsntQnljpJWpzCDguqyPcuqQtZZAY30mKpba1veK X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit now if we could only make our own that would be even better. Sure you can.? My dad had a home record cutter.? Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 17 13:57:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34249 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 21:57:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 21:57:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 21:57:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cf9.279c6a17 (37115) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:57:42 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from FWM-D09 (fwm-d09.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.201]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA011-90fb478fcf56d5; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:57:42 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:57:42 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <729682.1772.qm@web34709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.201) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:57:42 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA276B1E62DB58-D1C-2B36@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=uKBIV50VUXjUlxq7tOY9UoV4sW1942Jr-aFvik9mg8GmyUXs-pRlizJW2AHah9CV X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The 500 EE is way better than the AL....just a stylus change. I have a 681EE buried somewhere in the mess in Columbia.... We used the 681EE for transcription (cart cutting) where it was treated more carefully than the console tables that?required cueing.? Now that we all agree on cartridges.? How about turntables and preamps?? For turntables, Gates has my vote.? They didn't have the lowest rumble around, but they were robust.? When you cue'ed on of those babies up, you didn't need to be gentle about it. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Thu Jan 17 13:58:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48658 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 21:58:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 21:58:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 21:58:42 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c8e.1de04610 (34943) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:58:29 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA054-887f478fcf83332; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:58:28 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c85954$315e7ce0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <69578.70147.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <006701c85943$e45f9790$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> <8CA2769ABF3D2D4-D1C-2A6F@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:59:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=kQgbGxMj8zvMJCvM04Ozhtc9X00ZxSBBGos7EGQEVWG61EYi7KaU X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit where do you get them at? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time now if we could only make our own that would be even better. Sure you can.? My dad had a home record cutter.? Mike __________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 14:00:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48266 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 22:00:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 22:00:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.162) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 22:00:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63695 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2008 22:00:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Jf1fmiwVM1lIdV35Ga9nXJ0T0SclLhkHgjxKTHghGxZI0mo_l.U6SF6Tx1zw7P7WSQ2eMleLYg-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:00:37 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:00:37 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA276B1E62DB58-D1C-2B36@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <628222.60507.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=iIuGP06ADS6UN3lIvW4LXuL9x_cQDwq9pZd-_TLylkU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Now that we all agree on cartridges.? How about > turntables and preamps?? > > For turntables, Gates has my vote.? They didn't have > the lowest rumble around, but they were robust.? > When you cue'ed on of those babies up, you didn't > need to be gentle about it. The Gates turntables were a good bit quieter than the Russcos. But the Technics were used by stations too. Mike, are you using a different character set? I am seeing LOTS of extra question marks everywhere. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Jan 17 14:07:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61398 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2008 22:07:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2008 22:07:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2008 22:07:08 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so1015082pye.9 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:07:04 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.98.3 with SMTP id a3mr2893953pym.22.1200607624328; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:07:04 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:07:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80801171407l7418b43y4511f2339d9d89fc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:07:04 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <628222.60507.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CA276B1E62DB58-D1C-2B36@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> <628222.60507.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=lZVt3GOaqWrw24bgotwZ4M-Gbr4pVSmOhzyiApRxOS2GHQN1qQM7Qvjo X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am seeing alot of those question marks all over the place too. Paul On Jan 17, 2008 5:00 PM, Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > Now that we all agree on cartridges.? How about > > turntables and preamps?? > > > > For turntables, Gates has my vote.? They didn't have > > the lowest rumble around, but they were robust.? > > When you cue'ed on of those babies up, you didn't > > need to be gentle about it. > > The Gates turntables were a good bit quieter than the > Russcos. But the Technics were used by stations too. > > Mike, are you using a different character set? I am > seeing LOTS of extra question marks everywhere. > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 17 17:25:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89621 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 01:25:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 01:25:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 01:25:32 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cfd.2711492c (34930) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:25:26 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-da12 (webmail-da12.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.207]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA043-8872479000051f8; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:25:25 -0500 References: <69578.70147.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <006701c85943$e45f9790$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> <8CA2769ABF3D2D4-D1C-2A6F@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> <001301c85954$315e7ce0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:25:25 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <001301c85954$315e7ce0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.207) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:25:25 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA2788233A5A6F-514-8F9@webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=FWJI5Iwb1RrnUz3jAOD-fJ8CAuJdryyuxK1xH21CjbdMZA2b0yvylFi-O8LNp2mn X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The machine as as old as the hills made just after WWII.? I don't know if you can even buy the shellac blanks anymore.? Have you looked on eBay?? By the way, it wasn't stereo nor high fidelity. Comparing the sound quality to a commercially produced vinyl LP would be comparable to comparing a 8mm BW home movie to Pirates of the Carribean in IMAX. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 3:59 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time where do you get them at? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time now if we could only make our own that would be even better. Sure you can.? My dad had a home record cutter.? Mike __________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. 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Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 17 17:42:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66168 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 01:42:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 01:42:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 01:42:31 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bd4.248289e2 (34934) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:42:27 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-da12 (webmail-da12.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.207]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA047-8876479004032f; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:42:27 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:42:27 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <628222.60507.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.207) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:42:27 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA278A84131CD9-514-9EE@webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=YnwuHOgYclFQ1m-48v92aINNclM5HuFFEtm45FNCr4mB7BIpTxZCHhe64SXHRnW3 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's what AOL does. I remember the Russco's.? There were ones that were marketed under a number of names (Rek-O-Kut, QRK, LPB, etc.? I don't who actually made them.? We used the 16-in. Gates hub drive units mounted directly into the console.? Forget any kind of shock mounting.??With a?power,?rather than slip, cue you could hear the idler "burn rubber" up against the hub on startup. The only more robust drive system I've seen was the old Seeburg's that used a gear drive.?Someone thought of using a?Seeburg Select-O-Matic player mechanism?as a primitive automation system before?the union?killed the idea in its infancy. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 4:00 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Now that we all agree on cartridges.? How about > turntables and preamps?? > > For turntables, Gates has my vote.? They didn't have > the lowest rumble around, but they were robust.? > When you cue'ed on of those babies up, you didn't > need to be gentle about it. The Gates turntables were a good bit quieter than the Russcos. But the Technics were used by stations too. Mike, are you using a different character set? I am seeing LOTS of extra question marks everywhere. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 17 17:43:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64787 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 01:43:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 01:43:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 01:43:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c27.2a4e21a6 (37132) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:43:50 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-da12 (webmail-da12.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.207]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA026-910c479004551bf; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:43:49 -0500 References: <8CA276B1E62DB58-D1C-2B36@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> <628222.60507.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8bce0fe80801171407l7418b43y4511f2339d9d89fc@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:43:49 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80801171407l7418b43y4511f2339d9d89fc@mail.gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.207) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:43:49 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA278AB52577D0-514-A02@webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=k_7WIPu_sLapnOcbkSb0yS90BXiYDYYMFxS5dGiDXEomWgzzkeymtRfDBou39XyV X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am seeing alot of those question marks all over the place too. Am I the only person on AOL?? That what the AOL mail client does.? That, or I am actually the Riddler. -----Original Message----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 4:07 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time I am seeing alot of those question marks all over the place too. Paul On Jan 17, 2008 5:00 PM, Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > Now that we all agree on cartridges.? How about > > turntables and preamps?? > > > > For turntables, Gates has my vote.? They didn't have > > the lowest rumble around, but they were robust.? > > When you cue'ed on of those babies up, you didn't > > need to be gentle about it. > > The Gates turntables were a good bit quieter than the > Russcos. But the Technics were used by stations too. > > Mike, are you using a different character set? I am > seeing LOTS of extra question marks everywhere. > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Thu Jan 17 17:48:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19704 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 01:48:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 01:48:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 01:48:34 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d43.18721f01 (34958) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:48:11 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-da06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA067-888e4790055b38e; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:48:12 -0500 Message-ID: <001001c85974$5e0d2fa0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <8CA276B1E62DB58-D1C-2B36@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> <628222.60507.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8bce0fe80801171407l7418b43y4511f2339d9d89fc@mail.gmail.com> <8CA278AB52577D0-514-A02@webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:49:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=8TgZNnUyUW9pW3McN0MC5KmKyjJYVcy_NwbNb2Ej8ENoZ8nMKdB5 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use my aol account threw imap outlook express and don't run in to that on this end. ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:43 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time I am seeing alot of those question marks all over the place too. Am I the only person on AOL?? That what the AOL mail client does.? That, or I am actually the Riddler. -----Original Message----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 4:07 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time I am seeing alot of those question marks all over the place too. Paul On Jan 17, 2008 5:00 PM, Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > Now that we all agree on cartridges.? How about > > turntables and preamps?? > > > > For turntables, Gates has my vote.? They didn't have > > the lowest rumble around, but they were robust.? > > When you cue'ed on of those babies up, you didn't > > need to be gentle about it. > > The Gates turntables were a good bit quieter than the > Russcos. But the Technics were used by stations too. > > Mike, are you using a different character set? I am > seeing LOTS of extra question marks everywhere. > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 17 18:25:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41162 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 02:25:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 02:25:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 02:25:33 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bc0.24ae0cc4 (34922) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:25:22 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from WEBMAIL-DF06 (webmail-df06.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.70]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA037-886a47900e12317; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:25:22 -0500 References: <69578.70147.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <006701c85943$e45f9790$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> <8CA2769ABF3D2D4-D1C-2A6F@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> <001301c85954$315e7ce0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:25:22 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <001301c85954$315e7ce0$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-DF06.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.70) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:25:22 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA279083058890-BAC-38B1@WEBMAIL-DF06.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=UqWdpmiBHaLAhVEslfnxBFLL4dqMksN_S3kOw7mysyFD_tR1Bf3y-Ev0de-WZlKU X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit where do you get them at? Hank, You're in luck.? There was one like we had on auction at eBay:? Item:? 120211231879 If you're in stereo or hi-fi, it's NOT a unit for you. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 3:59 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time where do you get them at? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time now if we could only make our own that would be even better. Sure you can.? My dad had a home record cutter.? Mike __________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 19:38:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6079 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 03:38:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 03:38:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 03:38:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58722 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2008 03:38:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UNz92FcVM1nRcZTtAK5BhdVvEBL.Aht3Ve4xhsgYTCbt8T6o6zEi0wszhzY0V.nZBqN5aw4QVfCY5yPyaeZumSG.F4mkAU6FpXvwkHfXq5pxU6P5Y8K.TMJc05n1gg-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:38:33 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:38:33 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <505891.58656.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=86-HP_gbsFFBlCqtrzg1dyUUjh4RYwZv019n8IZ5Zuu0ug X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Ah, the Grado FT-E was a great cartridge! I worked at the supplier that sold them to a station, then ended up working at that same station. I took one home and subbed it for the Empire I was using at the time, and it blew the Empire away...at1/5 the price! Even more amazing, although it had an elitical stylus, it played CD-4 records, in quad, perfectly. Probably would have sold like hotcakes if they were publicly advertised. Maybe not as tough as the old GE variable-reluctance, but excellent sound. BTW, I think Grado is still in biz, they even made a special tone arm not long back, but it was NOT a bargain. George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Personally, I think vinyl has an appealing, though > perhaps not as accurate, > sound. > > For you broadcast guys, if you used actual records, > not carts, what was your > favorite cartridge? Stanton 500AL, Shure 44C, or > something else? > > I miss those old turntables and cueing. > > Mike > > > > > ************** > Start the year off right. 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 19:41:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87358 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 03:41:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 03:41:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.204) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 03:41:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 74078 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2008 03:41:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JfzQglcVM1kPaFUnvmF7Mtit22fQG17EfMyfIKqZpp8KPnOKJ_FCTjdWYezsM7O47mcB31rdBDG7Sd8fL95PgpCEJ5IcTz8U9GLN4Z02lWkWNvxJBuk- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:41:09 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:41:09 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA273DB2675781-1480-118F@WEBMAIL-MB05.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <370576.11022.qm@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Low Power CQUAM Transmitter Antennae X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=F2cde4VseIKrBLlSj5etZkz_kyUfSkAUhKGom2Vk9XNwVg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 That's cool...as long as you don't eat the slinky and energize the chow! --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > Has anyone ever used one of these antennas? > > I'm not certain he built what he thought he did.? > The drawings are a bit rough, but it looks like he > brought the end of the helix?through the center of > the support tube back to the drive point?adding a > couple of capacitors to resonate it.? I'm not an > antenna expert and its been awhile since I took > Fields and Waves, but I think he just built a big > air core inductor. > > Looks like he lives just outside Chicagoland which > is driving distance for me.? Next time I do Vienna > Beef and gyro run, I will see if I can look him up. > > Thanks for the slinky source.? Cracker Barrel's have > just about anything in those general stores.? Even > if they don't have a slinky, I know they will have > chicken and dumplings, so it won't be a wasted trip > in any event. > > Yes, I eat.? Alot.? > > Mike > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 19:46:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63192 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 03:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 03:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 03:46:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63133 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2008 03:46:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BktX54AVM1k89ato3BW7ZOJUt3TecEfpglI6SHKGVxm3BqPN3B3013R9GRpCOdbWAFEO0of6_Hctx8ttnCHM5gyCF8NcKUOEzJxYHk_JJUiby3QEiwQ- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:46:03 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:46:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA274BE95F377A-8FC-3B7@WEBMAIL-MB06.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <420720.62558.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=RQgufwxEdgWbUBJXqwee88lB0ZbggF1mNOC3etKgJP7BCA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 SLIP cueing? You gotta be at least half as old as me, hah-hah! I learned how, but never got to, as we had QRKs (Russco) that could nearly turn a car around, they had so much torque. (Would have made a great potter's wheel, too) George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > My experience exactly!? I know the "scratch" DJ's > nowadays use the Shure, I never had any luck with > them.? We tried using the Shure a number of years > ago because they were available through discount > channel, but they just wouldn't hold up.? The stylii > had to changed so often, the hole on the cartridge > body would get so wallered out, it wouldn't hold the > stylus anymore. > > The Stanton 500AL may not have had the best specs, > nor have been the cheapest, but they sure held up.? > Even with board operators whose knuckles dragged on > floor when they weren't slip-cueing records. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:56 am > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time > > > > > > > > --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > For you broadcast guys, if you used actual > records, > > not carts, what was your > > favorite cartridge? Stanton 500AL, Shure 44C, or > > something else? > > The 500AL was FAR more durable The Shure M44C had a > very fragile stylus. Too much side to side movement > bent the stylus badly. > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 19:48:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51110 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 03:48:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 03:48:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.205) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 03:48:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50123 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2008 03:48:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zyo0i9MVM1mLCnBuLyc_q5HEyKPk1oX1E02BJH6XqX8Cmq_SjYrUDzujBAta2grg4q6AtWnohJo.IIdE5rxmymDOUAWPGuwoK2PSxYKHDZo6Owg9LS4- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:48:33 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:48:33 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006701c85943$e45f9790$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <530534.48972.qm@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=JAz9HbgG2vtHEUVCPivr3HbCstlmC1PaBq3mNHLSEnQZjA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes sir, think of vinyl as digital with an infinite bit-rate. Actually, you CAN make your own, but Scully lathes and Westrex cutters may require a long talk with a loan officer on the way to get them. George --- hank smith wrote: > vinyl kicks booty > now if we could only make our own that would be even > better. I love the way vinyl sounds > btw I am one year yunger then you at 27 and my vinyl > collection is pritty big > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JNR > To: AMSF > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:11 AM > Subject: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time > > > Here's the link: > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0%2C9171%2C1702369%2C00.html. > > A lot of teens are buying L.P.s according to the > article. They even quote Newbury Comics' C.E.O. as > saying their vinyl sales were up 37% last year. > Must've been what my friend Shawn,K1VSR & I bought! > We're a couple of geezers* @ age 28! > > *= note- I'm using geezer in the American slang > tradition of someone "older"/"old" not the British > use of Geezer & no, @ 28 I don't consider myself > old! > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 19:51:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22329 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 03:51:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 03:51:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 03:51:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1156 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2008 03:51:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: W_GfR6QVM1mVTHXKui5xpW1eOlccGI.utNy9eFFQUV9QFKXv13tbQUEHBJK2C9bwq4x0CA.jCB_FqCbN1XwWN5pYLl9zOQ4JF0RfEqojaiybWpy_swE- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:51:03 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:51:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA276B1E62DB58-D1C-2B36@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <168709.99534.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=29ylek1Rc1htIr5TzHLe_PIMo4ZFJx7JasGcBIFbPUZW2g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Somebody told me Gates were re-badged QRKs? G --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > The 500 EE is way better than the AL....just a > stylus > change. I have a 681EE buried somewhere in the mess > in > Columbia.... > > > > We used the 681EE for transcription (cart cutting) > where it was treated more carefully than the console > tables that?required cueing.? > > Now that we all agree on cartridges.? How about > turntables and preamps?? > > For turntables, Gates has my vote.? They didn't have > the lowest rumble around, but they were robust.? > When you cue'ed on of those babies up, you didn't > need to be gentle about it. > > Mike > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 19:59:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54888 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 03:59:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 03:59:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.205) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 03:59:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 56381 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2008 03:59:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZZ72T3IVM1kCQsvlpYSmIubJYmvPwSkhwNWpwE7eF1ISNHLXsINCIjbwX0tFOW.lo_Ag_FBA7mxd.mcwwtjiXskwFDBFt0k38WeDBWPn5HWqs9ap1Nk- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:59:06 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:59:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA279083058890-BAC-38B1@WEBMAIL-DF06.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <762955.55146.qm@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=fukWLJqL_QbfDpvcZ-8kKg6GjkZAQoyZ2uILGzIWUf47_A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 And what was everybody's favorite board? I gotta go with the old Gates Dualux-2. Big, kinda wierd lookin, but as ergonomic as Archie's easy chair. (Yeah, I'm old...it had rotary faders with HUGE knobs and big VUs!) George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > where do you get them at? > > > Hank, > > You're in luck.? There was one like we had on > auction at eBay:? > > Item:? 120211231879 > > If you're in stereo or hi-fi, it's NOT a unit for > you. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hank smith > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 3:59 pm > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time > > > > > > > where do you get them at? > thanks > Hank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mjgrant@aol.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:47 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time > > now if we could only make our own that would be even > better. > Sure you can.? My dad had a home record cutter.? > > Mike > > __________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From ke7ief@aol.com Thu Jan 17 20:41:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47851 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 04:41:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 04:41:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 04:41:05 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d51.1f254567 (37183) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 23:40:58 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA055-913f47902dd887; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 23:40:57 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c8598c$5b0fe140$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <530534.48972.qm@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:41:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=x0PlA07FgedHHZpzE-rzn7y9yHlATdhYFgbIqLUWou1h8Wh5vSzg X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit so I've heard still would be fun to make your own. anyways any good ideas for phono preamps? I have a radio shack preamp and it sounds fine when I hook it up threw my stereo but on my computer well it puts a nice lovely hum when the record is playing. I can send you a audio sample to hear what it is doing. thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:48 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time Yes sir, think of vinyl as digital with an infinite bit-rate. Actually, you CAN make your own, but Scully lathes and Westrex cutters may require a long talk with a loan officer on the way to get them. George --- hank smith wrote: > vinyl kicks booty > now if we could only make our own that would be even > better. I love the way vinyl sounds > btw I am one year yunger then you at 27 and my vinyl > collection is pritty big > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JNR > To: AMSF > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:11 AM > Subject: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time > > > Here's the link: > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0%2C9171%2C1702369%2C00.html. > > A lot of teens are buying L.P.s according to the > article. They even quote Newbury Comics' C.E.O. as > saying their vinyl sales were up 37% last year. > Must've been what my friend Shawn,K1VSR & I bought! > We're a couple of geezers* @ age 28! > > *= note- I'm using geezer in the American slang > tradition of someone "older"/"old" not the British > use of Geezer & no, @ 28 I don't consider myself > old! > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 20:46:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46089 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 04:46:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 04:46:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 04:46:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 39097 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2008 04:46:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ET6wdyQVM1lC59H_EcIbJiDD2ZBCDr3iOVj4FJH_4PEpqCjh.qBoPuG9jzg0HeZPMOuYGXkm9MvEFp0WyFUkUGA1cy5EHoKcF4W_hJ4tWSX.Rfh_YAQ- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:46:45 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:46:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001701c8598c$5b0fe140$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <741542.36069.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=9zJ09chI28GbTp_NtDzhaqxwvll8PWa5k9fcyPfTnV8cSA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Hank, if you can find an RCA tube manual, from the 60's, there is a circuit in the back for a pre-amp, and as I recall it has a choice of curves, RIAA for sure and maybe NAB. A friend of mine built one years ago, and it worked quite well feeding his old Heathkit power amps. George --- hank smith wrote: > so I've heard > still would be fun to make your own. > anyways > any good ideas for phono preamps? > I have a radio shack preamp and it sounds fine when > I hook it up threw my stereo but on my computer well > it puts a nice lovely hum when the record is > playing. > I can send you a audio sample to hear what it is > doing. > thanks > Hank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:48 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in > Time > > > Yes sir, think of vinyl as digital with an > infinite > bit-rate. > Actually, you CAN make your own, but Scully lathes > and > Westrex cutters > may require a long talk with a loan officer on the > way > to get them. > George > --- hank smith wrote: > > > vinyl kicks booty > > now if we could only make our own that would be > even > > better. I love the way vinyl sounds > > btw I am one year yunger then you at 27 and my > vinyl > > collection is pritty big > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: JNR > > To: AMSF > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:11 AM > > Subject: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time > > > > > > Here's the link: > > > > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0%2C9171%2C1702369%2C00.html. > > > > A lot of teens are buying L.P.s according to the > > article. They even quote Newbury Comics' C.E.O. > as > > saying their vinyl sales were up 37% last year. > > Must've been what my friend Shawn,K1VSR & I > bought! > > We're a couple of geezers* @ age 28! > > > > *= note- I'm using geezer in the American slang > > tradition of someone "older"/"old" not the > British > > use of Geezer & no, @ 28 I don't consider myself > > old! > > > > --------------------------------- > > Never miss a thing. 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 20:49:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56682 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 04:49:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 04:49:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.204) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 04:49:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17686 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2008 04:49:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tpS89v4VM1lvRqWwF2Um7AQzzWOdpWa0ru9lJnrl7sy109p6fZR.E1aQZ0wXNCIxHA-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:49:04 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:49:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001701c8598c$5b0fe140$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <470594.15735.qm@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Who was asking... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=J1AVAKsLKD_kYAz9ey3fyhrZD01K-wCFmO1eA-qKR5Ciww X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Who was asking me last week about Wright Pat? contact me at wlx1430@hotmail.com, when you get a chance... George --- hank smith wrote: > so I've heard > still would be fun to make your own. > anyways > any good ideas for phono preamps? > I have a radio shack preamp and it sounds fine when > I hook it up threw my stereo but on my computer well > it puts a nice lovely hum when the record is > playing. > I can send you a audio sample to hear what it is > doing. > thanks > Hank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:48 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in > Time > > > Yes sir, think of vinyl as digital with an > infinite > bit-rate. > Actually, you CAN make your own, but Scully lathes > and > Westrex cutters > may require a long talk with a loan officer on the > way > to get them. > George > --- hank smith wrote: > > > vinyl kicks booty > > now if we could only make our own that would be > even > > better. I love the way vinyl sounds > > btw I am one year yunger then you at 27 and my > vinyl > > collection is pritty big > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: JNR > > To: AMSF > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:11 AM > > Subject: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time > > > > > > Here's the link: > > > > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0%2C9171%2C1702369%2C00.html. > > > > A lot of teens are buying L.P.s according to the > > article. They even quote Newbury Comics' C.E.O. > as > > saying their vinyl sales were up 37% last year. > > Must've been what my friend Shawn,K1VSR & I > bought! > > We're a couple of geezers* @ age 28! > > > > *= note- I'm using geezer in the American slang > > tradition of someone "older"/"old" not the > British > > use of Geezer & no, @ 28 I don't consider myself > > old! > > > > --------------------------------- > > Never miss a thing. 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 17 21:00:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47928 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 05:00:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 05:00:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 05:00:44 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bc0.24b00673 (30738) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:00:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:00:39 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Low Power CQUAM Transmitter Antennae X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=xXvusAzhMTa-1-sqxOxDBovWwTnkC8TQbEgXoiN8iaXF2l4Topudz5LOdTAKgrFS X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, somebody on eBay is selling a slinky antenna. Not a bad price. Anyone interested, let me know. When the weather warms enough I can get a grounding rod driven in my backyard, I will try hanging a slinky from a tree branch with some fishing line. Then I will sweep the impedance between its base and the grounding rod with my HP 652. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 21:09:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74548 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 05:09:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 05:09:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.128) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 05:09:08 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2008 05:09:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2008 05:09:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2008 05:09:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:09:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.38 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=XSJUk085aFrhaDI1alR3gWVXv9QpDa-j7bHxCeSYelj3ONBKXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > To answer Joetapes comments... >=20 > 2 SSB rigs run together off a common VFO wouldn't sound good at=20 all.=20 > The audio quality of a typical crystal filter SSB rig is quite=20 poor=20 > and audio quality is an issue. That's also not a cheap way to go.=20 >=20 > There are many ways you can generate a stereo signal. What I did=20 was=20 > easy, cheap, required no change to my exsisting transmitters and=20 it=20 > works. Got a Sony SRF-42?? Put a converter ahead of it, sit back=20 and=20 > enjoy the stereo.=20 >=20 > Jerry WA2FNQ >=20 > Hi Jerry!!! I was talking about a radio ham AMS experiment, not a professional=20 AMS broadcasting. With some friends, we did it a lot of years ago. Believe it or not,=20 It worked!!! Of course, I admit the sound quality was so poor: it was only two=20 radio ham SSB transceivers!!! I guess we're just talking about a 3=20 kHz audio bandwidth!!! But, it works. Anyhow, with all the today digital technology in our hands, I think=20 it must be relative easy and cheap to build a professional quality=20 ISB TX (replacing the ceramic or cristal sideband filters or, even,=20 the full exciter stage, by a digital artifact). Unfortunately, Motorola won the AMS battle (or should I say they put=20 more money in the FCC plate???) so, in the "professional arena" we=20 only have C-QUAM. I don't know if a typical radio ham transceiver could transmit C- QUAM. ??? Maybe, just an idea, we could use the Aspisys C-QUAM mini TX into=20 some "upconverter" stage to get 160, 80, 40, 20, etc. meters band. But, C-QUAM uses quadrature (I discover the wheel!!!) mod, in other=20 words: phase mod artifacts. Everybody knows the HF spectrum isn't=20 a "kind" place to that technology. So, AMS C-QUAM isn't good to the=20 HF bands. VHF? UHF? ??? Maybe. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 17 21:10:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62517 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 05:10:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 05:10:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 05:10:39 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c87.21befbe3 (30738) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:10:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:10:33 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=HAuK0XISWVObTEmKNUIKv6vYrS1IstE57TtUBIyPx6u2cdzMd6pgMcWOyc14I27r X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/17/08 9:39:03 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Maybe not as tough as the old GE variable-reluctance, > The GE VRII was the cartridge the station used before the Stanton 500AL. It was robust. Alittle hard on records, though. On new releases that were in heavy rotation, that wasn't an issue. The record reps would give you as many as you wanted. The switch to the Stanton was driven by 45's starting to be issued in stereo. We didn't need stereo, but the mono cartridge would damage the stereo grove. The Gates preamps were for the GE's. They didn't have the rolloff part of the RIAA curve. With the GE's, the HF rolloff came from a combination of the low input resistance the GE worked into and its self-inductance. We contemplated modifying the preamps for the Stantons, but in the end, just left the rolloff alone as it gave a brighter sound. Pre-emphasis before it's time! Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 17 21:21:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1418 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 05:21:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 05:21:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 05:21:52 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d0e.1d456f3f (30738) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:21:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:21:49 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=FrZAvayAVmES3Uk-53fJQ_gEcKxlUwsQ1e8vDAbSTdZOkFvGAjIHCvoevijlnWlq X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Gates would come up to speed in a third turn so I just power cued them when I had to run the board. The oldtimers insisted on slip cuing to get the timing as tight as a cart. I was lucky to get through a shift without cuing one up on the air. Nowadays that is considered "music". Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 17 21:26:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14713 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 05:26:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 05:26:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 05:26:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bd8.2823b320 (30738) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:26:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:26:02 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=EXChwn1R8di9OVLm0MPFtfBpnZN7WdMBN-mU9WTHqGKAc7l5FVdZydwzfpaFMUVT X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/17/08 9:51:37 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Somebody told me Gates were re-badged QRKs I think QRK's, Russco's, and the like were Rek-O-Kuts. Gates were the only one's with hub drive. Not sure though. Did you know there are now turntables with USB outputs? Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 17 21:32:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35673 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 05:32:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 05:32:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 05:32:30 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bfd.25e43ed8 (30738) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:31:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:31:50 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=vfmmT39LbupOyedF9XHnsvzvlijBWM3vTXHqOGrMbf3wOzILyV9J_qS6voWi5CpB X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm a Statesman kinda guy. Love those Daven/Shallco rotary faders. Never had to worry about anybody spilling the ever present cup of coffee down into the faders like on the new low profile linear boards. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 17 21:35:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79379 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 05:35:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 05:35:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 05:35:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c93.1f9dc44a (30738) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:35:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:35:41 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=MGUH_RdyM0wSz3hM244PNO29OT5dwZwhwYMT2FCmbq6fchom3CGgHqHXTM5-t1pN X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/17/08 9:59:32 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > big VUs Didn't ya just love that warm glow and the big dancing spade indicator? Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 17 21:37:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97839 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 05:37:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 05:37:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 05:37:28 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d31.22b0b529 (30738) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:37:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:37:21 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=MU5-8KXmI3UVUWpnmLw3KhALEx2Xqmorn7TFt7rgOmXGc8aayA_8J53VPmYGsE2p X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/17/08 10:41:26 PM Central Standard Time, ke7ief@aol.com writes: > it puts a nice lovely hum when the record is playing It only hums because it doesn't know the words. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Thu Jan 17 23:10:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97330 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 07:10:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 07:10:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 07:10:36 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bfa.5d08507 (37083) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 02:10:28 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-13-89.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.89]) by cia-db06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB065-90db479050e2298; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 02:10:27 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01c859a1$3decb970$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 23:10:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.89 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=4veA2raazG5YihMXHQNTjl_CWkMfWOaR0jFH4UThqkO5sd-cd6NY X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hehehe no seriously there is a hum and I can't figure out why it is doing it only threw the computer and not my stereo ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time In a message dated 1/17/08 10:41:26 PM Central Standard Time, ke7ief@aol.com writes: > it puts a nice lovely hum when the record is playing It only hums because it doesn't know the words. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 07:01:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56327 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 15:01:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 15:01:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 15:01:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45838 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2008 15:01:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tco6BmsVM1mhGYsY_1kB1eID0dTyFX3EnPO72oZJaXsr0M8QrGRtv9V9dvJ2V89e0A-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.105] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:01:30 PST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:01:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <420720.62558.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <939727.43636.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=dtANulxawTNsIr-oxKq8k7H4y88_BufgwBm9xPsxiQM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I did slip cueing when we had the Gates TT's in the control room. They were fast enough NOT to but put a low frequency thump in the audio if you didn't. The Russo / QRK etc turntables are not nearly as quiet as the Gates TT's are. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 07:03:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42077 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 15:03:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 15:03:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 15:03:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 48843 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2008 15:03:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ke3cIzsVM1kh1zsEg8J9VGHQrV4OKAYa82gODi5TL_GCXqt7JeZa1nfRFPtVMw63lCIO0qNwjw-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.105] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:03:19 PST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:03:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <168709.99534.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <735452.48598.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=UYZea44II5Bw6haxuGpVZJSU_dkCoFg0MbBi78XuUi8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- george russell wrote: > Somebody told me Gates were re-badged QRKs? The much LATER series may have been but the earlier ones were not. They were way quieter other than the start up thunk that could get on the air. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 07:07:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16746 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 15:07:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 15:07:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 15:07:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 51656 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2008 15:07:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uAMUfYMVM1l.ljQd4Bt_gfs6M8ejKSrPNojqX7vLQzT1KPXjKtHCy83sbSao3y_h6S8ylZIKKg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.105] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:07:04 PST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:07:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <762955.55146.qm@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <592652.84670.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=HgyVWSyCQV0G9OLxpvVPemqmOHhXuWcXONe61diIO94 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- george russell wrote: > And what was everybody's favorite board? > I gotta go with the old Gates Dualux-2. Big, kinda > wierd lookin, but as ergonomic as Archie's easy > chair. > (Yeah, I'm old...it had rotary faders with HUGE > knobs > and big VUs!) The Tube type Gatesway was a good board, but for WKDK we have the LPB 10 channel Signature II. The Signature III came afterwards, and we have an 8 channel one in the production room. They are solid and last and don't give a lot of trouble. If I HAD to get a new board, I would go with Wheatstone, they make good stuff and it's modular. Some of the consoles out now are not, and if something simple happens, you are off the air. On the stuff Wheatstone makes, you can take out and replaced modules hot. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 07:09:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14282 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 15:09:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 15:09:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 15:09:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 47771 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2008 15:09:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SZu0N38VM1m.te5izChyzaNBQkwlGtVb7S7hJkb_42mmafUwyWEUxweKNSaUWHsD9beewzBNBg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.105] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:09:12 PST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:09:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001701c8598c$5b0fe140$590da54b@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <590975.44832.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=LamVCQ4Ot6Sd4Kxiqw360BdRHpiTVHsqo_2JW-Fhpxg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW comment at end --- hank smith wrote: > so I've heard > still would be fun to make your own. > anyways > any good ideas for phono preamps? > I have a radio shack preamp and it sounds fine when > I hook it up threw my stereo but on my computer well > it puts a nice lovely hum when the record is > playing. > I can send you a audio sample to hear what it is > doing. Sounds like a faulty ground somewhere. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 07:16:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39579 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 15:16:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 15:16:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.159) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 15:16:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11958 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2008 15:16:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nsmX5WQVM1lptz6GPBvt8R8vvCo06crFWXut_loHgqrrzAEKtF_Wqh.QduoZp.oafIuh4X39kw-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.105] by web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:16:38 PST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:16:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <979380.10729.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=hbTBMMyWLR8F2_ZS-LmIDOdBUHidZvXGiXy1l66rCoc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/17/08 9:39:03 PM Central > Standard Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Maybe not as tough as the old GE > variable-reluctance, > > > The GE VRII was the cartridge the station used > before the Stanton 500AL. It > was robust. Alittle hard on records, though. On > new releases that were in > heavy rotation, that wasn't an issue. The record > reps would give you as many as > you wanted. There also was a stereo VR series. AGGGGGG. Stylus was VERY fragile. NOT very good to use with a broadcast environment. Even with heavy play the styrene 45's would get cue burn with the Stantons. Small stations didn't get lots of copies. ONE if we were lucky. At WKDK for a long time we had a trade out with Carter's Record Mart. I bought most of my 45's there during the era. Shure had some magnetic cartridges well before anything Stanton had out. The M3D was used in broadcast, and lots of stations went to the M44 series. The baby blue stylus was more for DJ than the white M44C. The eliptical M44E was good for home, and they also had a M55E which was just a different stylus. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jan 18 07:21:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88434 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 15:21:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 15:21:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 15:21:54 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c41.28c47177 (14467) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:21:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:21:31 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ozxBfu2UKortgU7EPMf3JaEj16IPaGKcVvTkIO30p1O145h2t9gqHxCbcyxkjexP X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/18/08 1:10:52 AM Central Standard Time, ke7ief@aol.com writes: > hehehe > no seriously there is a hum and I can't figure out why it is doing it only > threw the computer and not my stereo > It has to do with ground loops. Computers were not made for high quality audio and use single ended inputs and outputs that are grounded to the chassis. For high performance applications, professional audio cards like the Lynx II use 600 ohm balanced inputs and outputs on A3 style connectors. Aside from perhaps phono cartridges to preamps and the console output to the monitor and cue speakers, almost everything audio in a broadcast station is low impedance balanced, 600 ohms for line level, 150/250 for mikes. As a HA solution, buy some of those ground adapters, the ones for connecting ground plugs to ungrounded outlets, and cut off the ground thingy that connects to the center screw. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 07:24:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30170 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 15:24:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 15:24:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.160) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 15:24:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 99041 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2008 15:24:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MCmTi0kVM1kvW26lGWJYem7tRK4zWpuvG3aOhjt9jeQUMXXdibzBEQOzcVK634ThGdiVVe8D3w-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.105] by web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:24:55 PST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:24:55 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <721034.97811.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=aMFzl2FYc4oB4AYRlFmTZFOAOfxC5l-lSQ5uJh638gI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I'm a Statesman kinda guy. Love those Daven/Shallco > rotary faders. Never > had to worry about anybody spilling the ever present > cup of coffee down into the > faders like on the new low profile linear boards. Those early solid state Gates consoles were horrid in the fact they had no headroom. With the new low profile boards, well if you spill something in the console, you get to pay for repairs. No food rule in the control room works wonders. Clear Channel purchased a lot of digital consoles from a "certain manufacturer". Not modular at all. Bad part is they have had a considerable amount of problem with these. If there's a failure you could be off the air. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jan 18 08:03:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51059 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 16:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 16:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 16:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bbb.1e141489 (14467) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:02:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:02:39 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=bUkT02g3slkOLDpnjEJwSOj0AOHqClXXBeFxyQPY7b1yFH76F0wsVImYzW92WujA X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/18/08 9:09:44 AM Central Standard Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > Sounds like a faulty ground somewhere. > Did you connect the green wire from the turntable to preamp? Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jan 18 08:15:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64871 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 16:15:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 16:15:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 16:15:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d42.188ddca0 (14467) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:15:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:15:34 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=D8Nqcb-ncCoOKATDj6QCOsR_ZSNYJqql9L0V5YbjufWCmbWmWRuDGjjBfwKPDHxl X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit By way of observation, if one had a typical computer of today with a 320 gbyte harddrive chocked full of MP3s and a professional sound card, you would have a multimillion dollar automation system and music library of the late 1960's and then some. I wonder if anyone makes a home version of a program that allows you to program MP3, ID's, etc. so one could play Program Director and automate a LPAM station? It could do program logs and everything. Really impress the Feds when they come to inspected your ground lead length with a micrometer. Of course, to be authentic the program would have to include a half empty bottle of Jack Daniels and a dirty Dixie cup in the software box. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Jan 18 08:21:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26444 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 16:21:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 16:21:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s34.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.234) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 16:21:23 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W10 ([64.4.19.110]) by bay0-omc3-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:20:09 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:20:06 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <592652.84670.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <762955.55146.qm@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <592652.84670.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2008 16:20:09.0152 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE78F400:01C859ED] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=QLL5YjIHiassxgh6Fcdt8zhfr5KyRwGbQVM41Qp3M8YCsgK6VXfZ X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I worked at a small AM station in southern Georgia back in the middle 60's and we used the Gates board. I agree it was very ergonomic and had wonderful fader controls and large VU meters. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: w4opw@yahoo.comDate: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:07:04 -0800Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time --- george russell wrote:> And what was everybody's favorite board?> I gotta go with the old Gates Dualux-2. Big, kinda> wierd lookin, but as ergonomic as Archie's easy> chair.> (Yeah, I'm old...it had rotary faders with HUGE> knobs> and big VUs!)The Tube type Gatesway was a good board, but for WKDKwe have the LPB 10 channel Signature II. The SignatureIII came afterwards, and we have an 8 channel one inthe production room. They are solid and last and don'tgive a lot of trouble. If I HAD to get a new board, Iwould go with Wheatstone, they make good stuff andit's modular. Some of the consoles out now are not,and if something simple happens, you are off the air.On the stuff Wheatstone makes, you can take out andreplaced modules hot. PowellNNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jan 18 08:34:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65990 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 16:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 16:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 16:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cca.250b0e96 (14467) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:34:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:34:41 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Low Power CQUAM Transmitter Antennae X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=SPqw_qsXxnSMAF_VoqnGURCm7KzzuusYzvLhfkTJY3OMTCHuD0e-MERLHQbfHy2E X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a guy with any eBay store (Slinkyantennas) who, you guessed it, builds every configuration of Slinky antenna imaginable. Dipoles, single slinky, double slinky, triple slinky, mini-slinky, etc. You name it. Interesting enough, he lives here in Missouri, a couple of hours away. I'm going to drop him a note to see if he has done anything with LPAM. Maybe I could pack up my test gear and see if we can come up with something. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Fri Jan 18 10:23:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45483 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 18:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 18:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 18:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2008 18:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2008 18:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2008 18:23:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:23:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: R.I. ham ragchew X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=_SFckP7ZO1X9LJLskgeogPLhhJCSp76l5Ci9NYH4eCgM X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Hi Joe, I relize what you're saying but with the group of AMer's I hang out=20 with that wouldn't even fly as an experiment. That's what I meant by=20 audio quality being an issue. It will work but as you said there are=20 better ways of doing things. With modern technology you can build an=20 ISB rig with specs than Kahn could only dream of.=20 Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > > > To answer Joetapes comments... > >=20 > > 2 SSB rigs run together off a common VFO wouldn't sound good at=20 > all.=20 > > The audio quality of a typical crystal filter SSB rig is quite=20 > poor=20 > > and audio quality is an issue. That's also not a cheap way to=20 go.=20 > >=20 > > There are many ways you can generate a stereo signal. What I did=20 > was=20 > > easy, cheap, required no change to my exsisting transmitters and=20 > it=20 > > works. Got a Sony SRF-42?? Put a converter ahead of it, sit back=20 > and=20 > > enjoy the stereo.=20 > >=20 > > Jerry WA2FNQ > >=20 > > > Hi Jerry!!! >=20 > I was talking about a radio ham AMS experiment, not a professional=20 > AMS broadcasting. >=20 > With some friends, we did it a lot of years ago. Believe it or=20 not,=20 > It worked!!! >=20 > Of course, I admit the sound quality was so poor: it was only two=20 > radio ham SSB transceivers!!! I guess we're just talking about a 3=20 > kHz audio bandwidth!!! But, it works. >=20 > Anyhow, with all the today digital technology in our hands, I=20 think=20 > it must be relative easy and cheap to build a professional quality=20 > ISB TX (replacing the ceramic or cristal sideband filters or,=20 even,=20 > the full exciter stage, by a digital artifact). >=20 > Unfortunately, Motorola won the AMS battle (or should I say they=20 put=20 > more money in the FCC plate???) so, in the "professional arena" we=20 > only have C-QUAM. >=20 > I don't know if a typical radio ham transceiver could transmit C- > QUAM. ??? >=20 > Maybe, just an idea, we could use the Aspisys C-QUAM mini TX into=20 > some "upconverter" stage to get 160, 80, 40, 20, etc. meters band. >=20 > But, C-QUAM uses quadrature (I discover the wheel!!!) mod, in=20 other=20 > words: phase mod artifacts. Everybody knows the HF spectrum isn't=20 > a "kind" place to that technology. So, AMS C-QUAM isn't good to=20 the=20 > HF bands. VHF? UHF? ??? Maybe. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Jan 18 10:45:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7878 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 18:45:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 18:45:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 18:45:24 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c62.23f01ed7 (37688) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:44:42 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-51-18.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.51.18]) by cia-mb08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB084-93384790f3983; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:44:41 -0500 Message-ID: <006501c85a02$41d6cdd0$4000a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:45:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.51.18 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=2l003AWbkPy5ipAAqk9kAmQlqv34C9RSWvw8Qe8A3_A1SEw9xxNT X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this turn table doesn't have a ground plug on it is there a ground loop icelator or something I can get to help fix this? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:21 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time In a message dated 1/18/08 1:10:52 AM Central Standard Time, ke7ief@aol.com writes: > hehehe > no seriously there is a hum and I can't figure out why it is doing it only > threw the computer and not my stereo > It has to do with ground loops. Computers were not made for high quality audio and use single ended inputs and outputs that are grounded to the chassis. For high performance applications, professional audio cards like the Lynx II use 600 ohm balanced inputs and outputs on A3 style connectors. Aside from perhaps phono cartridges to preamps and the console output to the monitor and cue speakers, almost everything audio in a broadcast station is low impedance balanced, 600 ohms for line level, 150/250 for mikes. As a HA solution, buy some of those ground adapters, the ones for connecting ground plugs to ungrounded outlets, and cut off the ground thingy that connects to the center screw. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Jan 18 10:47:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25354 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 18:47:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 18:47:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 18:47:20 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bef.1f22ea29 (37692) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:47:12 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-51-18.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.51.18]) by cia-mb08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB088-933c4790f42e81; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:47:11 -0500 Message-ID: <007901c85a02$9f794b20$4000a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:47:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.51.18 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=0uCfAOzaQ8xsq-Cc033bEF49mV-8p6pusYnRyeMZuun0LdSzj-VY X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the preamp says not to hook the ground leed to it or you will fry it. something to that extent. wondering to if it is just a cheap preamp. its radio shack were talking about. could buying a different preamp also fix the problem? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:02 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time In a message dated 1/18/08 9:09:44 AM Central Standard Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > Sounds like a faulty ground somewhere. > Did you connect the green wire from the turntable to preamp? Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Jan 18 10:47:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91839 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 18:47:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 18:47:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 18:47:57 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ca3.2437126b (37692) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:47:50 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-51-18.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.51.18]) by cia-mb08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB088-933c4790f454bf; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:47:49 -0500 Message-ID: <008201c85a02$b6baa9a0$4000a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:48:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.51.18 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=ABXKF8zQwzGjIkjhtMYVLrqAoZzOLhNWNHA7zFu3VikRdqs1FA-C X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit www.stationplaylist.com I use it for mine ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:15 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time By way of observation, if one had a typical computer of today with a 320 gbyte harddrive chocked full of MP3s and a professional sound card, you would have a multimillion dollar automation system and music library of the late 1960's and then some. I wonder if anyone makes a home version of a program that allows you to program MP3, ID's, etc. so one could play Program Director and automate a LPAM station? It could do program logs and everything. Really impress the Feds when they come to inspected your ground lead length with a micrometer. Of course, to be authentic the program would have to include a half empty bottle of Jack Daniels and a dirty Dixie cup in the software box. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Jan 18 10:49:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61021 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 18:49:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 18:49:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 18:49:00 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bd1.260d7a4a (37692) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:48:47 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-51-18.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.51.18]) by cia-mb08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB088-933c4790f48d13b; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:48:46 -0500 Message-ID: <009301c85a02$d9624670$4000a8c0@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:49:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.51.18 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Low Power CQUAM Transmitter Antennae X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=ZuMpFesyu0eHH9cXuhz8jBivAc5Iq1ur-Cs_opXWtBQxmUp5x8Tr X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cool ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:34 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Low Power CQUAM Transmitter Antennae There is a guy with any eBay store (Slinkyantennas) who, you guessed it, builds every configuration of Slinky antenna imaginable. Dipoles, single slinky, double slinky, triple slinky, mini-slinky, etc. You name it. Interesting enough, he lives here in Missouri, a couple of hours away. I'm going to drop him a note to see if he has done anything with LPAM. Maybe I could pack up my test gear and see if we can come up with something. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jan 18 15:55:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55305 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 23:55:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 23:55:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 23:55:43 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.55.225] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080118175525001588300003> for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:55:25 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <015001c85a2e$39eeb5c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <360698.40676.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:55:25 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=DHEiddCpMSuMOJv6n4SXO8mAkLPnfVEYr9VWSIl19pdVyWQDCtRI X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes they did- in one of the intermediate stages past the exciter in addition to the rest that Mike explained earlier. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wasn't there some way RCA corrected this by adding a small amount of AM in the process? --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jan 18 15:59:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14738 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2008 23:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2008 23:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2008 23:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.55.225] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080118175911002149300003> for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:59:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <016e01c85a2e$c0bf0a00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <644797.43791.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:59:11 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC Citation for Part 15 Violation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=bBBshHWXAIf4uTSYcnU9E0HNKJt7xkmrEJ0fc8pyEhR1mYEa6tZB X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Up on the tall mast for sure. The tower, while for FCC purposes is considered "ground," really isn't as far as radiating the wave is concerned. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Tradition tells me go with the base-fed vertical, but I think maybe putting a 1/2 wave up on a tall mast might get out better. What do you think? --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jan 18 16:11:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96539 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 00:11:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 00:11:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 00:11:34 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.55.225] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080118181118000805600003> for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:11:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <018c01c85a30$71f87ee0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <762955.55146.qm@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:11:18 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ZFYbdmQ4u6TCW2p9GYd8Ee6a2WMZUljImfPaRmnsULYoT8yZpruF X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pretty much any old tube board, but if I had to pick I'd say Stereo Yard. Never worked at a station with one but had to get a couple for my collection. The later version snowplows were also nice, once they got past the germanium transistor period- especially the Executive stereo 10 channel. I also liked the smaller Stereo Statesman. Collins boards were nice as they were modular. Favorite turntable- Gates CB series (vintage), though the top end stations typically used McCurdy, and the classical and beautiful music stations used Fairchild; Technics SP-25 (modern.) Favorite preamp- ADC. Lots of luck ever finding one. Got a couple prototypes and a few production models. They were built primarily for the Northwestern College Radio stations, though they were available for the general market. I doubt they sold many. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com And what was everybody's favorite board? I gotta go with the old Gates Dualux-2. Big, kinda wierd lookin, but as ergonomic as Archie's easy chair. (Yeah, I'm old...it had rotary faders with HUGE knobs and big VUs!) --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 18:12:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53831 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 02:12:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 02:12:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 02:12:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9137 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2008 02:12:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mvXlrgoVM1l_qPBccaeujx46WyN4S5Y0JKRWIaTZhku7MbPq9xPnKbWeMCLrKkHHD3ZZ8nWva_e_slvDKy8heAAIaEnisqx4o6XXO2GvSH2J8DRt_aY- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:12:41 PST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:12:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <336372.6870.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=i17slIt5MDmIBGnuiYXq6qD2i74jvHHvSaxGfjvK_Zrnrw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yeah, all this scratching in the new "music", they call it an art form...we called it a technical error! The times' they are a changin'... George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > The Gates would come up to speed in a third turn so > I just power cued them > when I had to run the board. The oldtimers insisted > on slip cuing to get the > timing as tight as a cart. I was lucky to get > through a shift without cuing one > up on the air. Nowadays that is considered "music". > > Mike > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 18:16:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50811 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 02:16:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 02:16:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.203) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 02:16:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 48562 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2008 02:16:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Fd8KMBAVM1m19C9oqopylGuK8Bw8hFLdGXO6Wvvd X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:16:15 PST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:16:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <846567.48236.qm@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=qf307h-jNJfGzJqmdR3Va6VawtAMcXj8a9XTZr7PT2JEBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 USBs on a table? No, I hadn't heard of that, but I guess it should come as no surprise! Re. the t-tables, I read somewhere that those super-fast starters were actually invented by a DJ in California, who made the first few in his garage. There is that one problem with slip-cue, if the table has much rumble, you can sure bounce the power supply in the xmtr! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/17/08 9:51:37 PM Central > Standard Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Somebody told me Gates were re-badged QRKs > > I think QRK's, Russco's, and the like were > Rek-O-Kuts. Gates were the only > one's with hub drive. Not sure though. > > Did you know there are now turntables with USB > outputs? > > Mike > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 18:21:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70246 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 02:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 02:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 02:21:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 83777 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2008 02:21:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uQ0SDEAVM1mPd47pyaBORucp4FqRy6AQ13qTX1hPdd_528uKmkKTLYe.IOgfHFx35UFJouyqOznwkTrKWTdG9NLU0CmJv__dEvVFRCiw0WxHKiu6Woc- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:21:31 PST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:21:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <845563.80121.qm@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=olJO-i-kuQc1t3Il4ZHRAF882r-5wbsGIs8U5TAXkw_w8w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Oh, I'd forgotten the Statesman...nice board! Never got to run one of those. I drove a President, a Diplomat, the Dualux II, and a tiny little Shane & Young "Cherokee 300". Oh yes, there was a Sparta in there somewhere, and my at-home old mono, the infamous Gates "Yard" (tube version). I miss rotary faders! I suppose if you start with linears, they feel normal to you, and I eventually got used to them, but the rotaries just felt more natural. George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I'm a Statesman kinda guy. Love those Daven/Shallco > rotary faders. Never > had to worry about anybody spilling the ever present > cup of coffee down into the > faders like on the new low profile linear boards. > > Mike > > > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 18:22:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75097 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 02:22:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 02:22:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 02:22:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16143 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2008 02:22:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BEItzEcVM1md2VLf.sDWauRzcAJI__zJ1F_npCUVMZC16PqSRa2dJlLdaSrVvWs0Rw-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:22:51 PST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:22:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <324885.16045.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=jCEwYgSW9O0B18DFLz77E1UG9F4h9YMRYk0P2PmTn2llqg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yup, I'll take that over a row of LEDs anyday! Seems the ballistics were a lot easier on the eyes, too. G --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/17/08 9:59:32 PM Central > Standard Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > big VUs > > Didn't ya just love that warm glow and the big > dancing spade indicator? > > Mike > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 18:26:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89536 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 02:26:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 02:26:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 02:26:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 60676 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2008 02:26:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: A9hWyu4VM1n1PdWjv3mKS_ZUFJzi05PHZrKbf0U3qXV5F3naEcD_jyRFApDE5_aDo0K8uIGCqSt1VtASQemxDKh7lr7ttIraahGbGYi4GaeUTxi8P9d9huS7sjTr1w-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:26:14 PST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:26:14 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <735452.48598.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <546572.59034.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=tCZEiwS1PHMktZCZEN7r7T3ow9e75je9U0khY8ApM81G7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes, the later ones, I saw several at the Dayton Ham swap a couple years ago, and they looked just like my Russcos, but with the Gates livery. G --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- george russell wrote: > > > Somebody told me Gates were re-badged QRKs? > > The much LATER series may have been but the earlier > ones were not. They were way quieter other than the > start up thunk that could get on the air. > > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 18:30:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8431 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 02:30:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 02:30:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 02:30:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 69583 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2008 02:30:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZkZGZ1UVM1kDVUqloPeZFup1JAFHnxWolsetpIZrar11m3upel0XfazkKj4gFWv1cb4fkGlqdbO3YZiT78UQESxOOvZ7c30fzCEUxNFO9o6koj1xEVst5.mW2Xt.Qw-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:30:36 PST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:30:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <721034.97811.qm@web34711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <181892.68598.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=r-CkkOyCPtBxb9KGpMJC10GzRYI9kQ3ppDE7lgVTOV6GlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 You wouldn't be referring to ADM products, would you? G --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > I'm a Statesman kinda guy. Love those > Daven/Shallco > > rotary faders. Never > > had to worry about anybody spilling the ever > present > > cup of coffee down into the > > faders like on the new low profile linear boards. > > Those early solid state Gates consoles were horrid > in > the fact they had no headroom. > > With the new low profile boards, well if you spill > something in the console, you get to pay for > repairs. > > No food rule in the control room works wonders. > > Clear Channel purchased a lot of digital consoles > from > a "certain manufacturer". Not modular at all. Bad > part > is they have had a considerable amount of problem > with > these. If there's a failure you could be off the > air. > > > Powell > > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 18:32:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94747 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 02:32:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 02:32:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 02:32:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26093 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2008 02:32:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UPBvD0oVM1lLDwHLqheBfl_Zi1owNZhfvdXUXzR1fSm7DdNmR3hABApmuTeahjK6WubKCmvzQHZsA7rvd4d9cDPEBhkXBgTAEfaJOIaD96kDSnIDQuj6xGz6uXINdw-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:32:11 PST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:32:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <249217.25769.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=tXyha1Ist_7SFwez_OwhWTGDCtRHA2a8Vid4yEUgIiC7Mg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 HAhahaha! Some things in the broadcast world never change! G --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > By way of observation, if one had a typical computer > of today with a 320 > gbyte harddrive chocked full of MP3s and a > professional sound card, you would have > a multimillion dollar automation system and music > library of the late 1960's > and then some. > > I wonder if anyone makes a home version of a program > that allows you to > program MP3, ID's, etc. so one could play Program > Director and automate a LPAM > station? It could do program logs and everything. > Really impress the Feds when > they come to inspected your ground lead length with > a micrometer. Of course, > to be authentic the program would have to include a > half empty bottle of Jack > Daniels and a dirty Dixie cup in the software box. > > Mike > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 18:37:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29260 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 02:37:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 02:37:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.208) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 02:37:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 93009 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2008 02:37:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NpZ5pYEVM1kjD9eEko2ysBuDS.5XZml5y9LDS._TybBr7vbdsmgJoSGq79KwdP6AP6YBkvi3PGOd30aubkWv_pCbfNJmHTS93NrZ0zAUCeDUozU.Hxc- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:37:43 PST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:37:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <018c01c85a30$71f87ee0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <582817.92919.qm@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=EVLchtHMAm1HopO6Oeto3nYlsGfmR9J-LRHpshdTGwMgCQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Ever see a Telefunken 'table? I hear the only thing heavier than that machine is the price-tag! G --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > Pretty much any old tube board, but if I had to pick > I'd say Stereo Yard. Never worked at a station with > one but had to get a couple for my collection. The > later version snowplows were also nice, once they > got past the germanium transistor period- especially > the Executive stereo 10 channel. I also liked the > smaller Stereo Statesman. Collins boards were nice > as they were modular. > > Favorite turntable- Gates CB series (vintage), > though the top end stations typically used McCurdy, > and the classical and beautiful music stations used > Fairchild; Technics SP-25 (modern.) Favorite > preamp- ADC. Lots of luck ever finding one. Got a > couple prototypes and a few production models. They > were built primarily for the Northwestern College > Radio stations, though they were available for the > general market. I doubt they sold many. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > And what was everybody's favorite board? > I gotta go with the old Gates Dualux-2. Big, > kinda > wierd lookin, but as ergonomic as Archie's easy > chair. > (Yeah, I'm old...it had rotary faders with HUGE > knobs > and big VUs!) > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 18:39:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39320 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 02:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 02:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.205) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 02:39:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26030 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2008 02:39:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: InVZPu8VM1mES.JBoGAQyST.NID_kkDJ_1p2DsigwPwKQ4mmLXlJlBoJZA25PzHYv4zut0kfikB94DwUX8Rke43AIoh4yVOYT34v9meqFpnIqOiv4xM- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:39:50 PST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:39:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <015001c85a2e$39eeb5c0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <253226.25817.qm@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=2DsWmhguihet4cELv28HFExNNG6xj80lQ9B9BAFE3H448g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 So it didn't really deserve it's nick-name, "Amplifuzz"? G --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > Yes they did- in one of the intermediate stages past > the exciter in addition to the rest that Mike > explained earlier. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Wasn't there some way RCA corrected this by adding > a > small amount of AM in the process? > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 18:42:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6103 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 02:42:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 02:42:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.159) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 02:42:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 43496 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2008 02:41:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qnoEfqcVM1k0gr4BblXOyLIF2n1pyPlSFwgYwmqe X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:41:59 PST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:41:59 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <181892.68598.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <795505.43047.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=WXKJEORPZ_qqAbkwy3kbmAJd9e7RP4R3Mu68NZUdUW4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- george russell wrote: > You wouldn't be referring to ADM products, would > you? > G No. It starts with R. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 18:49:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65531 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 02:49:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 02:49:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.207) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 02:49:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1993 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2008 02:49:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QT.M.pwVM1noq5tAfxha_E4nWbySnm2zOyGQRKTXsIZDdW2g.5e34mSP5ncr6GDBmuWW3pnxJBoE4VA_Eu.A7kFm._VS1o89Hy0KsNqC1.6rBCBiRts- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:49:45 PST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:49:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <795505.43047.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <374151.762.qm@web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=wuTE209KV3jM68Zp92QOmTg2w82awYvZd7nkISMEIQWu-g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 ?????? newer brand? (not RCA!) G --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- george russell wrote: > > > You wouldn't be referring to ADM products, would > > you? > > G > > > No. It starts with R. > > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 18 19:58:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6516 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 03:58:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 03:58:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.163) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 03:58:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38688 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2008 03:58:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9GRVEJcVM1mQdIYlbXP1rWPADxvcJJpUVrCcr0t8nkzj0N9e7mJk.oR3P23RMjv5OHl_dJ6BfQ-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.23] by web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:58:30 PST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:58:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <374151.762.qm@web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <848152.38368.qm@web34714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=1Rs7ThoqbdRLBJnhXkvqYcvARScl5zLX1KB9Q5tk6qE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- george russell wrote: > ?????? newer brand? (not RCA!) G New all digital console and nothing is modular. That is bad. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Jan 18 21:01:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4356 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 05:01:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 05:01:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bullet.mail.re4.yahoo.com) (206.190.56.24) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 05:01:17 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n5.bullet.re4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2008 05:01:17 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.111.169] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2008 05:01:17 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp104.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2008 05:01:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 213475.62046.bm@omp104.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 464 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2008 05:01:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tSjiHvoVM1mVLMWP_mECnSv6WibR_x0bKA0q90f9450lDRCZTI.zLBCxxuGCkquR8dw6Rteze1aALHH7UfFJoc5fKAD7x6AbzO9iF9o22o1T X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:01:16 PST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:01:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <336372.6870.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <285145.80791.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.56.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=v8ktnpBSxH6PQMXPsISJ6ZT3s1cOqYHY4XHJhX0jb5wEjOIglEpD X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke The times they've been changed, scratching as an art began in the late 70's with the first hip hop artists like Sugar Hill Gang and Herbie Hancock, etc. -Kevin --- george russell wrote: > Yeah, all this scratching in the new "music", they > call it an art form...we called it a technical > error! > The times' they are a changin'... > George > --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > The Gates would come up to speed in a third turn > so > > I just power cued them > > when I had to run the board. The oldtimers > insisted > > on slip cuing to get the > > timing as tight as a cart. I was lucky to get > > through a shift without cuing one > > up on the air. Nowadays that is considered > "music". > > > > Mike > > > > > > ************** > > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > > shape. > > > > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jan 18 21:50:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66476 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 05:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 05:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 05:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d63.f9e2df6 (42807) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:50:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:50:32 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=C2PQSfq5bx-IanD910v-Ocr1dR8DHUB7_BWmrL0kEtzf2FRkf1dW40dlXYX-ttoL X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hank, Usually turntables have a two-wire polarized non-grounded line cord, two audio cables from the cartridge (L and R) and a green single conductor ground wire. You may need to exeriment around as to where the ground wire needs to go. Most often, it's the preamp chassis. Also, you might try the computer chassis. Whichever works. The garden variety ground adapter from Walmart, Walgreen's, Tru Value, etc. works just fine as a ground isolator with the ring that goes to the outlet center screw cut off. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jan 18 22:01:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10829 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 06:01:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 06:01:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 06:01:01 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d00.22bd02e1 (42807) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:00:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:00:57 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Low Power CQUAM Transmitter Antennae X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Utnas2pgpgTgkOJHMDBDuBK52V9tQy9C7veMCKRLJ5FCboZ_L5lpgCFnBTIkmP-l X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hank, I dropped him a email message. Maybe he will work with me on a LPAM antenna. Looks like he has alot of real estate on his antenna farm. The ground here is too frozen to plant a 8 ft. 5/8 in. grounding rod. I haven't had time to go down to City Hall to get a permit. I live in the city proper where it is crime to drive anything into the ground more than a few inches without a permit. Hopefully, this guy may already have one. I can tell by the feedpoint impedance what the antenna is acting like (large diameter monopole, helix, etc..). I'd foot the cost of one for you to evaluate with the Alfredo Lite II if you wanted to give it a try. My assumption is you would hang it from your ceiling. It's length appears to be self-adjusting to match your ceiling height. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jan 18 22:02:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34096 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 06:02:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 06:02:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 06:02:54 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d5e.1e616fda (42807) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:02:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:02:32 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=3HVZ-e_SOH8Uj1AdFRGWx8WOzmExiSoQDokRXI15bIJ3JjrBCYa75ajadXpWfnWd X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/18/08 5:56:11 PM Central Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > Yes they did- in one of the intermediate stages past the exciter in > addition to the rest that Mike explained earlier. > Right you are. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Jan 18 22:30:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23341 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 06:30:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 06:30:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 06:30:51 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c81.1d799c01 (34981) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:30:47 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-51-18.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.51.18]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA086-88a547919915227; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:30:46 -0500 Message-ID: To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:30:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3264 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3264 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.51.18 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Low Power CQUAM Transmitter Antennae X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=eAdOcGkaJAW55kfplbxXgeMz81zyFWfGs5eJMA4BabKg6_lNEApY X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can you try it first and also have the connector hook up on the transmitter so all I have to do is plug in the antanna and go? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:00 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Low Power CQUAM Transmitter Antennae Hank, I dropped him a email message. Maybe he will work with me on a LPAM antenna. Looks like he has alot of real estate on his antenna farm. The ground here is too frozen to plant a 8 ft. 5/8 in. grounding rod. I haven't had time to go down to City Hall to get a permit. I live in the city proper where it is crime to drive anything into the ground more than a few inches without a permit. Hopefully, this guy may already have one. I can tell by the feedpoint impedance what the antenna is acting like (large diameter monopole, helix, etc..). I'd foot the cost of one for you to evaluate with the Alfredo Lite II if you wanted to give it a try. My assumption is you would hang it from your ceiling. It's length appears to be self-adjusting to match your ceiling height. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jan 18 22:49:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37149 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 06:49:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 06:49:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 06:49:11 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c34.24d21ebb (42807) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:49:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:49:05 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Low Power CQUAM Transmitter Antennae X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=1CM8Um5POdz0MEtBNzmQn2In02-oObu1X5yCmk-FUimFxLmUCrKrFOtbcDcEPOdx X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/19/08 12:31:20 AM Central Standard Time, ke7ief@aol.com writes: > can you try it first and also have the connector hook up on the transmitter > so all I have to do is plug in the antanna and go? > If I had board that worked. 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Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Jan 18 23:39:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33455 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 07:39:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 07:39:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 07:39:48 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cc3.22eb0c42 (37519) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 02:39:39 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-51-18.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.51.18]) by cia-ma08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA084-928f4791a9353cc; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 02:39:34 -0500 Message-ID: <3008E943415D46048E1238345C19F4CF@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:39:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3264 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3264 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.51.18 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Low Power CQUAM Transmitter Antennae X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=7b6l8osTfwHJGJ7EW9ogf_YjrRUkW6BQjZu12d0B9bgIpDAAuVdA X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thaught he sent that back to yu can you let me know how it works? the antanna that is. thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Low Power CQUAM Transmitter Antennae In a message dated 1/19/08 12:31:20 AM Central Standard Time, ke7ief@aol.com writes: > can you try it first and also have the connector hook up on the transmitter > so all I have to do is plug in the antanna and go? > If I had board that worked. 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Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jan 19 12:08:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64909 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 20:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 20:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 20:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cb6.21332155 (34922) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:08:36 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-md03 (webmail-md03.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.141]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA037-886a479258c43ac; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:08:36 -0500 References: <3008E943415D46048E1238345C19F4CF@home9b6221bfb8> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:08:36 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <3008E943415D46048E1238345C19F4CF@home9b6221bfb8> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-md03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.141) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:08:36 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA28EE35ADD4F0-1364-31C5@webmail-md03.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Are there special limiters for AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=-94qlK00aG8BhE4gk2kSZF5FK1-nDvhXRWCI4B9cAhE4cBMzX_1rr1ipFXyewCMg X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In C-QUAM, the relationship of left and right levels to carrier amplitude and phase modulation is somewhat complex.? Are there limits with the necessary algorithm to take the left and right levels, calculate the modulation produced, and adjust the common gain accordingly? I was thinking two strapped mono limiters would not work.? For example, if the left and right were equal and out of phase, there would no amplitude modulation of the carrier (thus no limiting action) but would modulate the phase which would be unlimited. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Jan 19 13:35:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84578 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 21:35:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 21:35:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.207) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 21:35:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81398 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2008 21:35:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: N22SjqYVM1mJdxiGs_buPt9t.udvY6FK2ZnrebWvVkJQQXel0alePp0j.5s5j2Lp4E7EGCnt6esrkFnovpuZjtuSIhcSIqMcE6wdQ3HIr3mPqrNcY2Y- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:35:47 PST Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:35:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA28EE35ADD4F0-1364-31C5@webmail-md03.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <130033.79788.qm@web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Are there special limiters for AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=sOVVhRk6JpRRD9kBJBxbIFd-LF5mdvgLKeg2DZBiJcNz9A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yup, and the best example is the Orban Optimod 9100B-2. It keeps the stereo modulation from exceeding 70% if only one channel is modulated. Another way is to separately limit (L-R) and (L+R), That can get a bit tricky, and to do it well requires partial slaving of the two VCAs, but I have heard a station in this area do it, and for the most part, it works quite well. Figure two limiters, with the (L-R) threshold set at 70%, and the (L+R) set at 90%...it WILL maintain stereo imaging during severe out-of-phase moments, but will bring down the (L+R) due to slaving. If you reduce slaving, then the mono can go higher at these moments, but with reduced seperation on the peaks...like I said, tricky! (This is one thing I liked about Magnavox PMX, processing was a bit simpler, but WOWO used...you guessed it, a 9100B-2!) Worst case is some of the later pop music that has a lot of out-of-phase sound, it can trip up some of these systems. As I understand it, the Optimod uses a logic system that tracks the relationship between the two channels, and adapts to such situations. I suppose that the algorithms for tight control are a breeze with today's powerful digital tools, but given Orban's reputation for loud but clean audio, I would go with the 9100...if I win the lottery, hah-hah! At one point, when we were kicking around station ideas, I propossed a special QSL just for stereo listeners, and saying a secret word in (L-R) only, so the mono receivers would hear nothing...yeah, too much time on my hands! Regards, George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In C-QUAM, the relationship of left and right levels > to carrier amplitude and phase modulation is > somewhat complex.? Are there limits with the > necessary algorithm to take the left and right > levels, calculate the modulation produced, and > adjust the common gain accordingly? > > I was thinking two strapped mono limiters would not > work.? For example, if the left and right were equal > and out of phase, there would no amplitude > modulation of the carrier (thus no limiting action) > but would modulate the phase which would be > unlimited. > > Mike > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From ke7ief@aol.com Sat Jan 19 14:22:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95400 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2008 22:22:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2008 22:22:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2008 22:22:11 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c62.240e2fd1 (37690) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:22:07 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-51-18.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.51.18]) by cia-mb08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB086-933a4792780d17b; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:22:06 -0500 Message-ID: To: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:22:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3264 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3264 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.51.18 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: usb turn table X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=fa2MtF5pHPuN3gR2UGhGXoLJxHzCCljc2k5JWAA-xi3uVRd0421z X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 hello out of curiousity what cartrages and stylesses do the usb turn table take? thanks Hank From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Jan 19 17:51:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88637 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2008 01:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2008 01:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2008 01:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2008 01:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2008 01:51:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2008 01:51:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:51:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CA28EE35ADD4F0-1364-31C5@webmail-md03.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.34 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Are there special limiters for AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=LHHVoF7viT7ESQjeDZjtIqItoEFNPdmcI3rOWUb9bFL7uAX2cg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In C-QUAM, the relationship of left and right levels to carrier=20 amplitude and phase modulation is somewhat complex.? Are there=20 limits with the necessary algorithm to take the left and right=20 levels, calculate the modulation produced, and adjust the common=20 gain accordingly? >=20 > I was thinking two strapped mono limiters would not work.? For=20 example, if the left and right were equal and out of phase, there=20 would no amplitude modulation of the carrier (thus no limiting=20 action) but would modulate the phase which would be unlimited. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 I only knew one specific "home" C-QUAM audio processor and you can=20 find it into the left FILES menu. However, there are a lot of=20 professional processor to get a "perfect" sound (Orban Optimod-AM=20 9100-B is the "top-of-the-line" device). But, I'm an enemy of any kind of audio processing beyond=20 the "standard" noise reduction/soft AGC/peak limiter, because I=20 think it's an "offensive trick" to the original musicians idea. It's=20 just a personal thought. Anyhow, the only necessary audio processing to the C-QUAM AMS system=20 was/is/always will be a NEGATIVE PEAKS LIMITING, into the mono (L+R)=20 chain to prevent the carrier absence. As we know, if any negative peak reaches the 100% of total=20 modulation, then the carrier instant value will be zero, in other=20 words: there will not be any carrier in this moment. In that=20 condition, the C-QUAM decoder losses the main phase reference (the=20 carrier), so... there isn't decoding process! I don't know why the=20 Motorola brains didn't prevent it before to patent the system, and I=20 don't know why it's a major issue because the duration of one=20 negative peak into a normal audio stream is... negligible! But...=20 It's the system. I think there must be something new to fix it today=20 (with some digital trick I guess), I'm not sure. ISB AMS doesn't need audio restriction and, if the FCC "curia" had=20 been clever, we could have the two systems (C-QUAM and ISB) in the=20 air today and the people could choice, free, the format they want=20 (as we can choice between CD, WAV, MP3, WMA, etc. today). Just a personal idea. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Jan 19 18:06:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38451 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2008 02:06:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2008 02:06:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2008 02:06:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 88406 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jan 2008 02:06:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9JqNr6YVM1ngiH9zM8C_5zw2YR2YMjVk23fjEwAxEGpljukQbn7aiohwcb.qDV5Ql6azSzksPaeFvHllzPsiWAkKv2lPFZBPM98evUhTJoxXk1tD0MI- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:06:24 PST Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:06:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <507439.88116.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Are there special limiters for AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=zm6cON-G-06Fjiem9XKivFmJunPC6sBeS8upJqLAPY-GVg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 The "solo mod" limits are placed on C-QUAM because of the limitations of real-world decoders. If somebody built a decoder that functioned as theoretically intended (probably quite expensive), then even out-of-phase (L-)+(R+) audio could be limited like normal. So far, I don't think it has happened. Maybe the DSP decoder Ford was talking about putting in their premium sound systems does it? G --- jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... > wrote: > > > > In C-QUAM, the relationship of left and right > levels to carrier > amplitude and phase modulation is somewhat complex.? > Are there > limits with the necessary algorithm to take the left > and right > levels, calculate the modulation produced, and > adjust the common > gain accordingly? > > > > I was thinking two strapped mono limiters would > not work.? For > example, if the left and right were equal and out of > phase, there > would no amplitude modulation of the carrier (thus > no limiting > action) but would modulate the phase which would be > unlimited. > > > > Mike > > > > > > I only knew one specific "home" C-QUAM audio > processor and you can > find it into the left FILES menu. However, there are > a lot of > professional processor to get a "perfect" sound > (Orban Optimod-AM > 9100-B is the "top-of-the-line" device). > > But, I'm an enemy of any kind of audio processing > beyond > the "standard" noise reduction/soft AGC/peak > limiter, because I > think it's an "offensive trick" to the original > musicians idea. It's > just a personal thought. > > Anyhow, the only necessary audio processing to the > C-QUAM AMS system > was/is/always will be a NEGATIVE PEAKS LIMITING, > into the mono (L+R) > chain to prevent the carrier absence. > > As we know, if any negative peak reaches the 100% of > total > modulation, then the carrier instant value will be > zero, in other > words: there will not be any carrier in this moment. > In that > condition, the C-QUAM decoder losses the main phase > reference (the > carrier), so... there isn't decoding process! I > don't know why the > Motorola brains didn't prevent it before to patent > the system, and I > don't know why it's a major issue because the > duration of one > negative peak into a normal audio stream is... > negligible! But... > It's the system. I think there must be something new > to fix it today > (with some digital trick I guess), I'm not sure. > > ISB AMS doesn't need audio restriction and, if the > FCC "curia" had > been clever, we could have the two systems (C-QUAM > and ISB) in the > air today and the people could choice, free, the > format they want > (as we can choice between CD, WAV, MP3, WMA, etc. > today). > > Just a personal idea. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Jan 19 18:08:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51085 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2008 02:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2008 02:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.204) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2008 02:08:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46629 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jan 2008 02:08:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MwTU.sgVM1l5Qs6sOzThOIhhtFiafr6c4LH2rS4G2J3MTKV5hn6IRurGxhgKXlXg2nRtdEgXTsDqTJhqerAuBoa9jNiGH1wQnAq.ILmQrxZCycp1VLg- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:08:46 PST Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:08:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <404013.46588.qm@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Are there special limiters for AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=_Ys9Q5ajI_WMPwhpRleLwhSMi2CCv_kJIt77Q4u7DrRNtg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Best solution would have been to divide L-R by 2, then after decoding, multiply it by two before matrixing. a bit noisier in bad cases, but very safe! Too late for that I guess, seems the standards are pretty much written in stone now. G --- jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... > wrote: > > > > In C-QUAM, the relationship of left and right > levels to carrier > amplitude and phase modulation is somewhat complex.? > Are there > limits with the necessary algorithm to take the left > and right > levels, calculate the modulation produced, and > adjust the common > gain accordingly? > > > > I was thinking two strapped mono limiters would > not work.? For > example, if the left and right were equal and out of > phase, there > would no amplitude modulation of the carrier (thus > no limiting > action) but would modulate the phase which would be > unlimited. > > > > Mike > > > > > > I only knew one specific "home" C-QUAM audio > processor and you can > find it into the left FILES menu. However, there are > a lot of > professional processor to get a "perfect" sound > (Orban Optimod-AM > 9100-B is the "top-of-the-line" device). > > But, I'm an enemy of any kind of audio processing > beyond > the "standard" noise reduction/soft AGC/peak > limiter, because I > think it's an "offensive trick" to the original > musicians idea. It's > just a personal thought. > > Anyhow, the only necessary audio processing to the > C-QUAM AMS system > was/is/always will be a NEGATIVE PEAKS LIMITING, > into the mono (L+R) > chain to prevent the carrier absence. > > As we know, if any negative peak reaches the 100% of > total > modulation, then the carrier instant value will be > zero, in other > words: there will not be any carrier in this moment. > In that > condition, the C-QUAM decoder losses the main phase > reference (the > carrier), so... there isn't decoding process! I > don't know why the > Motorola brains didn't prevent it before to patent > the system, and I > don't know why it's a major issue because the > duration of one > negative peak into a normal audio stream is... > negligible! But... > It's the system. I think there must be something new > to fix it today > (with some digital trick I guess), I'm not sure. > > ISB AMS doesn't need audio restriction and, if the > FCC "curia" had > been clever, we could have the two systems (C-QUAM > and ISB) in the > air today and the people could choice, free, the > format they want > (as we can choice between CD, WAV, MP3, WMA, etc. > today). > > Just a personal idea. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From mtgc@hotmail.com Sat Jan 19 19:05:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50741 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2008 03:05:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2008 03:05:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s27.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.227) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2008 03:05:33 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W3 ([64.4.19.103]) by bay0-omc3-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:05:33 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:05:32 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <507439.88116.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <507439.88116.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2008 03:05:33.0167 (UTC) FILETIME=[523277F0:01C85B11] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: AM Stereo Car Receiver question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=M0ofNzz__SBDouksUNNiUoReKrLq8VQCJUjOSI796KkQOPzRWmyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am looking at replacing my plain jane am/fm/cd player in my truck with a new receiver. I would love to have one that decodes CQuam as well as HD FM and HD AM, along with a cd player. Do any of the members of this group know of any such receiver(s)? Thanks, MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Jan 19 21:13:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69480 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2008 05:13:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2008 05:13:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.92) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2008 05:13:48 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.29] by n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2008 05:13:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.144] by t2.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2008 05:13:47 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp202.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2008 05:13:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 870569.33603.bm@omp202.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 39175 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jan 2008 05:13:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AcKFcKEVM1lNOO6s2Urb4whFDnwf7_.gaycJygsdwHcNYdBlUKckwps5Y97WLnMbVucvMX52PfYyBFakQOg2RyWV3CBRL0D7GkTziC4Y_FCr X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:13:46 PST Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:13:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA28ECD6027ACF-1364-3167@webmail-md03.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <473658.38923.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=lpABCtExLOXkHfnZ51fgN3vMnzulaBmM8eTVkeq9zHAb0T8DI2gE X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Someone asked something about cartridges. That USB turntable looks like it has some sort of ortifon type and those are expensive and sometimes harder to find. I think most of the other USB turntables have an audio technica P type from what i've seen. -Kevin --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > For?anyone interested in a USB turntable: > > http://www.numark.com/ttxusb > > Mike > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jan 19 21:49:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60620 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2008 05:49:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2008 05:49:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2008 05:49:12 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c81.1d92e1d1 (29678) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:48:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:48:44 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Are there special limiters for AMS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Xkd2fmTfcxKHXk0WzXjEcCdYEKLqmofKANK9m4-Y1OjR44AR8HB2-vdii7rVxrRw X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It depends on the transmitter. Ideally, when negative modulation exceeds 100%, output waveform reverses phase. Ampliphase and DPWM transmitter can do that. So with low level four quandrant modulation and linear amplification can as well. I image the decoder uses a phase locked loop to provide the carrier for the product detector. PLL's have filters that allows the VCO to hold phase even if the signal momentarily drops out. However, conventional transmitters pinch off at 100% downward modulation (or before) which creates distortion. As with regular quadrature modulation, any distortion is the system greatly deteriorates its performance. These transmitters are more tolerant of upward supermodulation but may flat-top above 125% which has the same effect. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jan 19 21:59:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95194 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2008 05:59:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2008 05:59:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2008 05:59:14 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bd2.164a5bcb (29678) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:59:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:59:07 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Car Receiver question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=sCOMtwKalRrENb7-X5ZSOO25q2VK2GHb4bjfb8PcfaW4A46YY0xYGwGUriPMgMDh X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wish I could help, but have a question to add to the thread. I have a 1994 Buick Roadmaster with a Delco Concert II sound system. It has the graphic equalizer and cassette, but no CD. It is has absolutely beautiful AM stereo reception. The 94 is getting tired and I was looking towards a 96 (the last year for Roadmaster). The radio is also a Concert II, has a CD player and no graphic equalizer. I don't know if it is AM stereo. I did realize the one in the 94 was AM until the "ST" indicator came on going past WLS. There is nothing on either radio to indicate AM Stereo capability. Anyone know? The Roadmaster is the same as the Chevrolet Caprice and Cadillac Fleetwood of the same year. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sat Jan 19 22:12:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9617 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2008 06:12:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2008 06:12:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2008 06:12:02 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cfc.278edab8 (34944) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:11:58 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-51-18.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.51.18]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA055-88804792e62c298; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:11:57 -0500 Message-ID: <6B5B76CE4CAA46E4AF12314DE14D2A01@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <473658.38923.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:12:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3264 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3264 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.51.18 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=sGo_fr8tjFuiTo_7E5W6PCx9z_rdrt3Xk3cTpsK-orY5McOQWoIJ X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how can you tell what cartrage it uses? if I want to buy one of these things I want to make sure I can get cartrages for them etc. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 9:13 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time Someone asked something about cartridges. That USB turntable looks like it has some sort of ortifon type and those are expensive and sometimes harder to find. I think most of the other USB turntables have an audio technica P type from what i've seen. -Kevin --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > For?anyone interested in a USB turntable: > > http://www.numark.com/ttxusb > > Mike > > > > __________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Jan 20 00:07:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27723 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2008 08:07:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2008 08:07:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.123) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2008 08:07:40 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2008 08:07:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.146] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2008 08:07:40 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp204.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2008 08:07:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 263207.69803.bm@omp204.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 49716 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jan 2008 08:07:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GkHjBgMVM1mYd7sjRJbdZF7.Y1TBCRhGCx0az5DTUbRh.s.d7iRcOBisOpmcXsj1YvDQhX6BDl02NYgE6Prd1qlpqebSKT8BBzMBGGWVfR_r X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:07:38 PST Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:07:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6B5B76CE4CAA46E4AF12314DE14D2A01@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <3936.48631.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=w1CcHgElLCnu0GvhN2khLinxkSk7Xxn7IZ6_cU2RJhs86nw863DF X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Hank, If you buy a new turntable such as a USB model you can rest assured they make replacement stylus. It may be that the stylus is the only thing replaceable. I don't know, haven't researched those USB turntables. Most of the modern ones that are mass sold are built around those audio technica P mounts or some variant thereof. If you are just transferring from LP into a computer I think you'd find the supplied cartridge/stylus sufficient. After all that turntable isn't mean to be one used to listen to records all the time, it's meant merely as a means to transfer them to digital. If you want a high quality expensive table to simply play your collection look to Thorens, Music Hall, or some of the other names currently producing fine tables. Those all would be very serviceable with all sorts of types of cartridges and styli. -Kevin --- hank smith wrote: > how can you tell what cartrage it uses? > if I want to buy one of these things I want to make > sure I can get cartrages for them etc. > Hank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clemsonbloke > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in > Time > > > Someone asked something about cartridges. That USB > turntable looks like it has some sort of ortifon > type > and those are expensive and sometimes harder to > find. > I think most of the other USB turntables have an > audio > technica P type from what i've seen. > > -Kevin > > --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > For?anyone interested in a USB turntable: > > > > http://www.numark.com/ttxusb > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > More new features than ever. Check out the new > AOL > > Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jan 20 13:32:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39207 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2008 21:32:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2008 21:32:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2008 21:32:51 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cbf.1e5ad614 (37131) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:32:44 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-mf06 (webmail-mf06.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.219]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA025-910b4793bdfc23c; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:32:44 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:32:44 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <3936.48631.qm@web23013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-mf06.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.219) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:32:44 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA29C32110B946-B28-CA5@webmail-mf06.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=QC5AlDcyDAM8iX5oj_hf-Tbh05Hr3SntF3_HjDj-3RoC6SOYqyU2d--PglKCkH0O X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks like our old friend Stanton Magnetics also make a USB turntable: http://www.stantondj.com/v2/prod_t90.asp I think you could be pretty sure the cartridge is a standard Stanton Magnetics model for which you will never have any difficulty finding a replacement.? Stanton is fine company with a sterling reputation in the broadcast industry and elsewhere. That is, unless Stanton, like many other fine?American companies,?is bought out by some? Wall Street?not-yet-jailed felon?who ships it?off to China where the products will be made by slave labor out of chicken droppings. I'd go with the Stanton if I had the money. Mike Mike ? ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Jan 20 13:39:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66622 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2008 21:39:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2008 21:39:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2008 21:39:11 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d36.2020bf17 (37663) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:38:56 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-51-18.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.51.18]) by cia-mb07.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB075-931f4793bf6e2b7; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:38:55 -0500 Message-ID: To: References: <8CA29C32110B946-B28-CA5@webmail-mf06.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:39:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3264 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3264 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.51.18 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=eR7TWjkHsND-bDdqb0CyxAM-lYGUAj3KUgbUB2DVWLH7TRZPi0V1 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what is the price tag? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time Looks like our old friend Stanton Magnetics also make a USB turntable: http://www.stantondj.com/v2/prod_t90.asp I think you could be pretty sure the cartridge is a standard Stanton Magnetics model for which you will never have any difficulty finding a replacement.? Stanton is fine company with a sterling reputation in the broadcast industry and elsewhere. That is, unless Stanton, like many other fine?American companies,?is bought out by some? Wall Street?not-yet-jailed felon?who ships it?off to China where the products will be made by slave labor out of chicken droppings. I'd go with the Stanton if I had the money. Mike Mike ? __________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jan 20 13:45:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22712 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2008 21:45:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2008 21:45:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2008 21:45:03 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c12.27b94d65 (34895) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:45:00 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-mf06 (webmail-mf06.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.219]) by cia-da01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA014-884f4793c0db224; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:44:59 -0500 References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:45:00 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-mf06.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.219) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:45:00 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA29C4D78E2ABD-B28-D29@webmail-mf06.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=7Q2jASoUSAXNn-19I_deCEdrAvasuOx_dvVY2rRnqiudg_NAMGs8QM9XHQzyyO9K X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I notice there was one of these transmitters offerred on eBay, but the auction was pulled.? I would not have thought eBay was that savvy.? Surely, the Feds didn't order eBay to pull it.? Yes, technically, it's an rules violation, but Jeez, with global terrorism and all, you would think their priorities could use alittle review. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Sotiris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 6:53 am Subject: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! Happy new year to all members of AM stereo group. I would like to inform you that since the introduction of ASMAX-1 AM CQUAM stereo transmitter we have sold both at America and Australia, but most interesting many units sold at European countries and mostly at Greece, Italy (22), Great Britain (13) & Germany (9)!!! That was very interesting for me, as my first thought was that Europe wouldn't be a possible market for those "part15.219" kind of AM transmitters! However seems that more people from Europe than everybody believes, are interested on AM stereo!!! I have found also that many guys at UK, and Germany had AM stereo receivers! Italians are more familiar with AM stereo, and they have already made more than 15 ASMAX-1 installations there, some of them with an RF amplifier after it to gain some more powerfull signal, than that provided from the EU ASMAX-1 model (400mW PEP)! We are still trying to find a way to proceed with the FCC certification for our ASMAX-1, and we might have that done in the next few months. All feedback comments from ASMAX-1 users are more than excellent! New We are also pleased to offer a discount priced unit for everyone that is a member of this AM stereo Group! This offer will be valid for 1 month, until Sunday, February 10th. Every member of this group can have an ASMAX-1 Mk II unit & together an AM stereo decoder board DQUAM, for 250U$ + 30U$ for shipping! Paypal payment is accepted. Best regards Sotiris ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jan 20 14:05:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63498 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2008 22:05:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2008 22:05:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2008 22:05:47 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ccc.27a09475 (37060) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:05:32 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-mf06 (webmail-mf06.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.219]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB046-90c44793c5ac31a; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:05:32 -0500 References: <940524.78807.qm@web34712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <018801c85532$db589300$d503fea9@stodd> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:05:33 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <018801c85532$db589300$d503fea9@stodd> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-mf06.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.219) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:05:33 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA29C7B64310D7-B28-DE9@webmail-mf06.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Bq6_J_Vy8i6UWOK8aEiUx_eigi8YKPIVfKxrmfOM1CUiTYEWBdaCnLp2Lpd62o76 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would look like to me the way of doing AM stereo is the amplitude modulate the carrier with L+R and phase modulate the carrier with L-R.? That would be compatible and alot simpler than the present CQUAM system. As I understand it, in CQUAM, the L+R amplitude modulates a full carrier.? That's simple enough.? The L-R signals amplitude modulates a carrier 90 degrees out phase with the first (in quadrature) in which the carrier is suppressed.? OK.? That's doable as well.? This is classic quadrature AM modulation, with the L+R signal independent of its 90-degree shifted conjugate which is the L-R signal.? However, the vector result which is the only thing a conventional radio can detect, would not be simply the L+R signal with a carrier in-phase with it.? So it's not compatible. In the Motorola scheme, these two quadrature signals are then fed into limiter to recover just the phase information for a carrier which is them AM modulated with the L+R signal. Was there a reason for this Rube Goldberg scheme as opposed to just directly linearly phase modulating the carrier with L-R information? Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jan 20 14:14:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19649 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2008 22:14:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2008 22:14:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2008 22:14:32 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d6a.19abbc80 (34930) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:14:05 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from FWM-M12 (fwm-m12.webmail.aol.com [64.12.168.76]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA043-88724793c7ac18c; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:14:04 -0500 References: <8CA29C32110B946-B28-CA5@webmail-mf06.sysops.aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:14:04 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by FWM-M12.sysops.aol.com (64.12.168.76) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:14:04 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA29C8E71FEADA-1768-1726@FWM-M12.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=IVWndL3V20xFjpPhArzZn-JkgsKzmMoAuB6vN0OhQeWvYYaoJdD0oBaoBQ1GT27s X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what is the price tag? The price tag is a little cardboard thingy attached by a string to the product?that has the price written on it. At TopDJGear.com, which has both, the Stanton is $299 with the Numark being $169.? In looking for the price, I found out the Numark uses a Stanton 500 V3 cartridge. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Jan 20 14:21:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84174 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2008 22:21:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2008 22:21:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2008 22:21:41 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c1f.29760ff7 (37106) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:21:39 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-51-18.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.51.18]) by cia-db08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB084-90f24793c97031e; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:21:37 -0500 Message-ID: To: References: <8CA29C32110B946-B28-CA5@webmail-mf06.sysops.aol.com> <8CA29C8E71FEADA-1768-1726@FWM-M12.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:22:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3264 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3264 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.51.18 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=N2CS5krA3TMeOJbhAqhmI-D3FS5pm23WU4bnrql8F1eu4OkON7vC X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit those easy to find? also those good quality? Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 2:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time what is the price tag? The price tag is a little cardboard thingy attached by a string to the product?that has the price written on it. At TopDJGear.com, which has both, the Stanton is $299 with the Numark being $169.? In looking for the price, I found out the Numark uses a Stanton 500 V3 cartridge. Mike __________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jan 20 16:12:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6936 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2008 00:12:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2008 00:12:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2008 00:12:19 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d42.18cc4b40 (29678) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:12:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:12:07 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=IFhkaot2vwQ2yPSTE2-B_f5EYKh19y9DUvL3zqOgmqjuzKtWN54TmyNCgWJbUjHH X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The cartridge and stylus for a Stanton 500 V3 is very easy to find. A package of two new complete cartridges sell for $41 on eBay. Singles are $25 at Dick's Sporting Goods. This is a "stratch" cartridge, meaning it will take back-cueing. It's the successor to the famed 500 AL. It's rugged, but perhaps not the most refine. With the 500 AL you swap the stylus and make it the high fidelity, lower groove wear 681 which was more delicate. The nice thing about the Stanton turntable is it has a detachable industry standard cartridge head. You could put a Shure 44C in there if you wanted. As a side note, I thought the Shure was named for the Shure Brothers Manufacturing Company who produced it. Turns out I was wrong. It gots its name from the fact the stylus was SURE to breakoff the first time you tried backqueing a record with it. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Jan 20 17:29:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38683 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2008 01:29:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2008 01:29:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2008 01:29:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2008 01:29:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2008 01:29:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:29:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CA29C4D78E2ABD-B28-D29@webmail-mf06.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.203.120.171 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=AtB1pUPM_zD0olTJRGKNLTTAsKQDX7iSk7PAWC_BRu0 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 There wasn't any pulled off auction listing for this transmitter...=20 Last listing ended some days ago and we haven't renew it... :)=20 We have an active listing but is for EU, Oz and other countries not=20 including US.=20 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=3D1&item=3D190179750146=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > >=20 > I notice there was one of these transmitters offerred on eBay, but=20 the auction was pulled.? I would not have thought eBay was that=20 savvy.? Surely, the Feds didn't order eBay to pull it.? Yes,=20 technically, it's an rules violation, but Jeez, with global terrorism=20 and all, you would think their priorities could use alittle review. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Sotiris > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 6:53 am > Subject: {AMSF} New year with CQUAM special offer! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Happy new year to all members of AM stereo group.=20 > I would like to inform you that since the introduction of ASMAX-1=20 AM=20 > CQUAM stereo transmitter we have sold both at America and=20 Australia,=20 > but most interesting many units sold at European countries and=20 mostly=20 > at Greece, Italy (22), Great Britain (13) & Germany (9)!!! That was=20 > very interesting for me, as my first thought was that Europe=20 wouldn't=20 > be a possible market for those "part15.219" kind of AM=20 transmitters!=20 > However seems that more people from Europe than everybody believes,=20 > are interested on AM stereo!!!=20 > I have found also that many guys at UK, and Germany had AM stereo=20 > receivers! Italians are more familiar with AM stereo, and they have=20 > already made more than 15 ASMAX-1 installations there, some of them=20 > with an RF amplifier after it to gain some more powerfull signal,=20 > than that provided from the EU ASMAX-1 model (400mW PEP)! We are=20 > still trying to find a way to proceed with the FCC certification=20 for=20 > our ASMAX-1, and we might have that done in the next few months.=20 > All feedback comments from ASMAX-1 users are more than excellent!=20 New=20 >=20 > We are also pleased to offer a discount priced unit for everyone=20 that=20 > is a member of this AM stereo Group! This offer will be valid for 1=20 > month, until Sunday, February 10th. Every member of this group can=20 > have an ASMAX-1 Mk II unit & together an AM stereo decoder board=20 > DQUAM, for 250U$ + 30U$ for shipping! Paypal payment is accepted.=20 >=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________________________ __ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! -=20 http://webmail.aol.com >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Jan 20 19:45:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54601 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2008 03:45:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2008 03:45:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2008 03:45:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20837 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2008 03:44:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 03chKF0VM1mEnvj6mpY1Q92w0GfrLYR15ECKvM5x..QWDi5iqJVrvbN_Xt0g3hrZfH_k46.c3IRtX_6ItkvnKONRYBkGZZqxqXCklcqvO5RB9FqWHnE- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:44:57 PST Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:44:57 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA29C7B64310D7-B28-DE9@webmail-mf06.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <736843.20524.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=OiECNRf-YTZOB-QwQH1AQcVA3tWNcDwZX30h2PpLNH0mDg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Mike, your first proposal is EXACTLY what Magnavox PMX did! The exciter was phase-mod with (L-R) via a three-varactor voltage-controlled delay line, up to a max of 57 degrees, then this fed the transmitter, where it was AMed with (L+R). I agree, this is a simple, straightforward approach, and has several advantages over C-QUAM, one being simpler processing. Last fall, I had a lengthy phone conversation with Mr. Robert Streeter, who developed and patented the system for Magnavox, and installed it at WOWO in Fort Wayne. (patent number 4,332,978) The biggest point he made was that PMX is LINEAR phase modulation, and C-QUAM is tangental. He believed that the idea of I and Q was no surprise, as Mr. Parker, one of C-QUAMs patentees, had also been involved with color TV research. Thought he admits he couldn't prove it, he was pretty sure Motorola went with C-QUAM mainly because it was an ideal MONO system, being very compatible as long as stereo separation was only average, and it's complexity would give Motorola a head start in cornering the market on decoders. (Actually, Motorola DID try to sue Sony for the SRF-A100, as it decoded C-QUAM "incorrectly". That radio admittedly used a Magnavox decoder, with modifications to make it work more or less with any system) On the decoding end, PMX is also way simpler. Phase detector yields (L-R), envelope detector yields (L+R), a quick matrix, and there you have it! A simple gain-tracking circuit keeps (L-R) and (L+R) levels equal, insuring steady imaging. Magnavox converted a "boom-box" portable to PMX, put it on display at a hardware store in Ft. Wayne, and it caused quite a stir. At that time, though , Phillips (Magnavox's parent co.) decided to stop spending money on AM stereo, and put it into CDs. As far as I (or Mr. Streeter) know, that was the ONLY consumer level PMX receiver ever made! (I'd love to have it!) Eric Culp, CE at WOWO in those days, said it best..."C-QUAM is a very complicated way to do a very simple task!" There were problems with PMX in it's early days, but there were problems with ALL systems until the bugs were worked out. Magnavox got it working great, and WOWO sounded excellent! They had to inject the 25 Hz. tone to get the by-then all C-QUAM market to decode, but even after all the differences, WOWO sounded good on the C-QUAM sets, too. Mr. Streeter summed it up nicely..."C-QUAM wasn't a technical victory, it was a political one." I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, the FCC (after making PMX the standard at first), gave in to powerful (corporate) forces, let ALL systems go on the air, and dallied over a decade before settling on C-QUAM. AM Stereo suffered the same confusion that all but killed quadrophonic...no standard! If I were to build my own exciter, at the risk of a great deal of criticism, I would definitely go with Magnavox...it's smart, VERY smart! Just $0.02 from a guy who heard them all in their day. George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I would look like to me the way of doing AM stereo > is the amplitude modulate the carrier with L+R and > phase modulate the carrier with L-R.? That would be > compatible and alot simpler than the present CQUAM > system. > > As I understand it, in CQUAM, the L+R amplitude > modulates a full carrier.? That's simple enough.? > The L-R signals amplitude modulates a carrier 90 > degrees out phase with the first (in quadrature) in > which the carrier is suppressed.? OK.? That's doable > as well.? This is classic quadrature AM modulation, > with the L+R signal independent of its 90-degree > shifted conjugate which is the L-R signal.? However, > the vector result which is the only thing a > conventional radio can detect, would not be simply > the L+R signal with a carrier in-phase with it.? So > it's not compatible. > > In the Motorola scheme, these two quadrature signals > are then fed into limiter to recover just the phase > information for a carrier which is them AM modulated > with the L+R signal. > > Was there a reason for this Rube Goldberg scheme as > opposed to just directly linearly phase modulating > the carrier with L-R information? > > Mike > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Jan 20 19:56:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35773 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2008 03:56:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2008 03:56:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.225) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2008 03:56:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98936 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2008 03:56:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OL4NUW0VM1mLFx86OcMQtxxM4texuGCDKw9rSGY8yzyvKgBwJTuL8DRbCwFDcxtVEhiWXriYNHRO3YHd_BXlSpU6DVyG0yAUNxtCHz9rBdsFiXgn8LY- X-Received: from [64.223.32.101] by web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:56:22 PST Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:56:22 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <736843.20524.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <8186.97995.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=wTJGWmf3RGG25sDF3WVMlspRYxhdqUjzW748JW-Z5XOJ4bZEHoLx X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Around 2000 sound clips of all the systems were posted on an A.M.S. list (I forget if it was this one or a predecessor). The Magnavox system sounded the best. I was very unimpressed by the Kahn system. Its sound wasn't as good as Magnavox or C-QUAM. I could never understand why people went crazy over the Kahn system as it sounded terrible. Maybe in the future when I finally have a house & enough land to build a system, I'll be on 160/75m with Magnavox. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 george russell wrote: Mike, your first proposal is EXACTLY what Magnavox PMX did! The exciter was phase-mod with (L-R) via a three-varactor voltage-controlled delay line, up to a max of 57 degrees, then this fed the transmitter, where it was AMed with (L+R). I agree, this is a simple, straightforward approach, and has several advantages over C-QUAM, one being simpler processing. Last fall, I had a lengthy phone conversation with Mr. Robert Streeter, who developed and patented the system for Magnavox, and installed it at WOWO in Fort Wayne. (patent number 4,332,978) The biggest point he made was that PMX is LINEAR phase modulation, and C-QUAM is tangental. He believed that the idea of I and Q was no surprise, as Mr. Parker, one of C-QUAMs patentees, had also been involved with color TV research. Thought he admits he couldn't prove it, he was pretty sure Motorola went with C-QUAM mainly because it was an ideal MONO system, being very compatible as long as stereo separation was only average, and it's complexity would give Motorola a head start in cornering the market on decoders. (Actually, Motorola DID try to sue Sony for the SRF-A100, as it decoded C-QUAM "incorrectly". That radio admittedly used a Magnavox decoder, with modifications to make it work more or less with any system) On the decoding end, PMX is also way simpler. Phase detector yields (L-R), envelope detector yields (L+R), a quick matrix, and there you have it! A simple gain-tracking circuit keeps (L-R) and (L+R) levels equal, insuring steady imaging. Magnavox converted a "boom-box" portable to PMX, put it on display at a hardware store in Ft. Wayne, and it caused quite a stir. At that time, though , Phillips (Magnavox's parent co.) decided to stop spending money on AM stereo, and put it into CDs. As far as I (or Mr. Streeter) know, that was the ONLY consumer level PMX receiver ever made! (I'd love to have it!) Eric Culp, CE at WOWO in those days, said it best..."C-QUAM is a very complicated way to do a very simple task!" There were problems with PMX in it's early days, but there were problems with ALL systems until the bugs were worked out. Magnavox got it working great, and WOWO sounded excellent! They had to inject the 25 Hz. tone to get the by-then all C-QUAM market to decode, but even after all the differences, WOWO sounded good on the C-QUAM sets, too. Mr. Streeter summed it up nicely..."C-QUAM wasn't a technical victory, it was a political one." I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, the FCC (after making PMX the standard at first), gave in to powerful (corporate) forces, let ALL systems go on the air, and dallied over a decade before settling on C-QUAM. AM Stereo suffered the same confusion that all but killed quadrophonic...no standard! If I were to build my own exciter, at the risk of a great deal of criticism, I would definitely go with Magnavox...it's smart, VERY smart! Just $0.02 from a guy who heard them all in their day. George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I would look like to me the way of doing AM stereo > is the amplitude modulate the carrier with L+R and > phase modulate the carrier with L-R.? That would be > compatible and alot simpler than the present CQUAM > system. > > As I understand it, in CQUAM, the L+R amplitude > modulates a full carrier.? That's simple enough.? > The L-R signals amplitude modulates a carrier 90 > degrees out phase with the first (in quadrature) in > which the carrier is suppressed.? OK.? That's doable > as well.? This is classic quadrature AM modulation, > with the L+R signal independent of its 90-degree > shifted conjugate which is the L-R signal.? However, > the vector result which is the only thing a > conventional radio can detect, would not be simply > the L+R signal with a carrier in-phase with it.? So > it's not compatible. > > In the Motorola scheme, these two quadrature signals > are then fed into limiter to recover just the phase > information for a carrier which is them AM modulated > with the L+R signal. > > Was there a reason for this Rube Goldberg scheme as > opposed to just directly linearly phase modulating > the carrier with L-R information? > > Mike > __________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Jan 20 20:07:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26235 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2008 04:07:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2008 04:07:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2008 04:07:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27340 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2008 04:07:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DqbQbDMVM1k5B.01QOuLQKmO4PpcSMrm_bJ.Z45G9oUG_tc1Hw0gCG9zZsHaL5ATR4j.xHS.YqkhT8cBU5dKp0VLDHddt34hvAkbAPkUp7_F7E8eUjw- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:07:42 PST Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:07:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8186.97995.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <793356.26949.qm@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=3F2doFkhjRkxyYsJ9uGuTNNXj2GhZTQKTmAau9hDTazxvg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Go for it! Actually, there is a ham doing that (I think up on 80) He generates a stereo echo of his speech, then PMXs it onto his rig. He recommends just down-verting 80 to MW, then use the radio of your choice. I agree, Kahn ISB had one big advantage...you could decode it (poorly) with two regular mono radios. I heard a tape of his system over XETRA way back when...I'll stick with Maggie! George --- JNR wrote: > Around 2000 sound clips of all the systems were > posted on an A.M.S. list (I forget if it was this > one or a predecessor). The Magnavox system sounded > the best. I was very unimpressed by the Kahn > system. Its sound wasn't as good as Magnavox or > C-QUAM. I could never understand why people went > crazy over the Kahn system as it sounded terrible. > Maybe in the future when I finally have a house & > enough land to build a system, I'll be on 160/75m > with Magnavox. > > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 > > george russell wrote: > Mike, > your first proposal is EXACTLY what Magnavox PMX > did! > The exciter was phase-mod with (L-R) via a > three-varactor voltage-controlled delay line, up to > a > max of 57 degrees, then this fed the transmitter, > where it was AMed with (L+R). I agree, this is a > simple, straightforward approach, and has several > advantages over C-QUAM, one being simpler > processing. > > Last fall, I had a lengthy phone conversation with > Mr. > Robert Streeter, who developed and patented the > system > for Magnavox, and installed it at WOWO in Fort > Wayne. > (patent number 4,332,978) > The biggest point he made was that PMX is LINEAR > phase > modulation, and C-QUAM is tangental. He believed > that > the idea of I and Q was no surprise, as Mr. Parker, > one of C-QUAMs patentees, had also been involved > with > color TV research. > > Thought he admits he couldn't prove it, he was > pretty > sure Motorola went with C-QUAM mainly because it > was > an ideal MONO system, > being very compatible as long as stereo separation > was > only average, > and it's complexity would give Motorola a head > start > in cornering the market on decoders. (Actually, > Motorola DID try to sue Sony for the SRF-A100, as > it > decoded C-QUAM "incorrectly". That radio > admittedly > used a Magnavox decoder, with modifications to make > it > work more or less with any system) > > On the decoding end, PMX is also way simpler. > Phase > detector yields (L-R), envelope detector yields > (L+R), > a quick matrix, and there you have it! A simple > gain-tracking circuit keeps (L-R) and (L+R) levels > equal, insuring steady imaging. Magnavox converted > a > "boom-box" portable to PMX, put it on display at a > hardware store in Ft. Wayne, and it caused quite a > stir. At that time, though , Phillips (Magnavox's > parent co.) decided to stop spending money on AM > stereo, and put it into CDs. As far as I (or Mr. > Streeter) know, that was the ONLY consumer level > PMX > receiver ever made! (I'd love to have it!) > > Eric Culp, CE at WOWO in those days, said it > best..."C-QUAM is a very complicated way to do a > very > simple task!" > > There were problems with PMX in it's early days, > but > there were problems with ALL systems until the bugs > were worked out. > Magnavox got it working great, and WOWO sounded > excellent! > They had to inject the 25 Hz. tone to get the > by-then > all C-QUAM market to decode, but even after all the > differences, WOWO sounded good on the C-QUAM sets, > too. > > Mr. Streeter summed it up nicely..."C-QUAM wasn't a > technical victory, it was a political one." I > couldn't agree more. > Unfortunately, the FCC (after making PMX the > standard > at first), gave in to powerful (corporate) forces, > let > ALL systems go on the air, and dallied over a > decade > before settling on C-QUAM. > AM Stereo suffered the same confusion that all but > killed quadrophonic...no standard! > > If I were to build my own exciter, at the risk of a > great deal of criticism, I would definitely go with > Magnavox...it's smart, VERY smart! > Just $0.02 from a guy who heard them all in their > day. > George > > --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > I would look like to me the way of doing AM > stereo > > is the amplitude modulate the carrier with L+R > and > > phase modulate the carrier with L-R.? That would > be > > compatible and alot simpler than the present > CQUAM > > system. > > > > As I understand it, in CQUAM, the L+R amplitude > > modulates a full carrier.? That's simple enough.? > > The L-R signals amplitude modulates a carrier 90 > > degrees out phase with the first (in quadrature) > in > > which the carrier is suppressed.? OK.? That's > doable > > as well.? This is classic quadrature AM > modulation, > > with the L+R signal independent of its 90-degree > > shifted conjugate which is the L-R signal.? > However, > > the vector result which is the only thing a > > conventional radio can detect, would not be > simply > > the L+R signal with a carrier in-phase with it.? > So > > it's not compatible. > > > > In the Motorola scheme, these two quadrature > signals > > are then fed into limiter to recover just the > phase > > information for a carrier which is them AM > modulated > > with the L+R signal. > > > > Was there a reason for this Rube Goldberg scheme > as > > opposed to just directly linearly phase > modulating > > the carrier with L-R information? > > > > Mike > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > More new features than ever. Check out the new > AOL > > Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Jan 20 20:50:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56400 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2008 04:50:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2008 04:50:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2008 04:50:11 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cb5.28cd747d (34978) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:49:52 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-51-18.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.51.18]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA083-88a24794246e2c6; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:49:51 -0500 Message-ID: <4DBA4C2560BC4529AB05ED007DB2910B@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <8186.97995.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:50:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3264 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3264 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.51.18 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=wNKCbpcCFNFZvOsDX8IBrx25iKufx4_jOsKBTjOTF5NS-rllg_b9 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can I get that website so I can compare? ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 7:56 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM - I am confused Around 2000 sound clips of all the systems were posted on an A.M.S. list (I forget if it was this one or a predecessor). The Magnavox system sounded the best. I was very unimpressed by the Kahn system. Its sound wasn't as good as Magnavox or C-QUAM. I could never understand why people went crazy over the Kahn system as it sounded terrible. Maybe in the future when I finally have a house & enough land to build a system, I'll be on 160/75m with Magnavox. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 george russell wrote: Mike, your first proposal is EXACTLY what Magnavox PMX did! The exciter was phase-mod with (L-R) via a three-varactor voltage-controlled delay line, up to a max of 57 degrees, then this fed the transmitter, where it was AMed with (L+R). I agree, this is a simple, straightforward approach, and has several advantages over C-QUAM, one being simpler processing. Last fall, I had a lengthy phone conversation with Mr. Robert Streeter, who developed and patented the system for Magnavox, and installed it at WOWO in Fort Wayne. (patent number 4,332,978) The biggest point he made was that PMX is LINEAR phase modulation, and C-QUAM is tangental. He believed that the idea of I and Q was no surprise, as Mr. Parker, one of C-QUAMs patentees, had also been involved with color TV research. Thought he admits he couldn't prove it, he was pretty sure Motorola went with C-QUAM mainly because it was an ideal MONO system, being very compatible as long as stereo separation was only average, and it's complexity would give Motorola a head start in cornering the market on decoders. (Actually, Motorola DID try to sue Sony for the SRF-A100, as it decoded C-QUAM "incorrectly". That radio admittedly used a Magnavox decoder, with modifications to make it work more or less with any system) On the decoding end, PMX is also way simpler. Phase detector yields (L-R), envelope detector yields (L+R), a quick matrix, and there you have it! A simple gain-tracking circuit keeps (L-R) and (L+R) levels equal, insuring steady imaging. Magnavox converted a "boom-box" portable to PMX, put it on display at a hardware store in Ft. Wayne, and it caused quite a stir. At that time, though , Phillips (Magnavox's parent co.) decided to stop spending money on AM stereo, and put it into CDs. As far as I (or Mr. Streeter) know, that was the ONLY consumer level PMX receiver ever made! (I'd love to have it!) Eric Culp, CE at WOWO in those days, said it best..."C-QUAM is a very complicated way to do a very simple task!" There were problems with PMX in it's early days, but there were problems with ALL systems until the bugs were worked out. Magnavox got it working great, and WOWO sounded excellent! They had to inject the 25 Hz. tone to get the by-then all C-QUAM market to decode, but even after all the differences, WOWO sounded good on the C-QUAM sets, too. Mr. Streeter summed it up nicely..."C-QUAM wasn't a technical victory, it was a political one." I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, the FCC (after making PMX the standard at first), gave in to powerful (corporate) forces, let ALL systems go on the air, and dallied over a decade before settling on C-QUAM. AM Stereo suffered the same confusion that all but killed quadrophonic...no standard! If I were to build my own exciter, at the risk of a great deal of criticism, I would definitely go with Magnavox...it's smart, VERY smart! Just $0.02 from a guy who heard them all in their day. George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I would look like to me the way of doing AM stereo > is the amplitude modulate the carrier with L+R and > phase modulate the carrier with L-R.? That would be > compatible and alot simpler than the present CQUAM > system. > > As I understand it, in CQUAM, the L+R amplitude > modulates a full carrier.? That's simple enough.? > The L-R signals amplitude modulates a carrier 90 > degrees out phase with the first (in quadrature) in > which the carrier is suppressed.? OK.? That's doable > as well.? This is classic quadrature AM modulation, > with the L+R signal independent of its 90-degree > shifted conjugate which is the L-R signal.? However, > the vector result which is the only thing a > conventional radio can detect, would not be simply > the L+R signal with a carrier in-phase with it.? So > it's not compatible. > > In the Motorola scheme, these two quadrature signals > are then fed into limiter to recover just the phase > information for a carrier which is them AM modulated > with the L+R signal. > > Was there a reason for this Rube Goldberg scheme as > opposed to just directly linearly phase modulating > the carrier with L-R information? > > Mike > __________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Jan 20 21:13:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20052 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2008 05:13:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2008 05:13:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2008 05:13:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2008 05:13:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2008 05:13:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:13:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CA29C7B64310D7-B28-DE9@webmail-mf06.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.54 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=iN08IkZjdNdR6D7iSO8ent613AN2By9c0Lje7ubsf_M7oLYmhA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I would look like to me the way of doing AM stereo is the=20 amplitude modulate the carrier with L+R and phase modulate the=20 carrier with L-R.? That would be compatible and alot simpler than=20 the present CQUAM system. >=20 > As I understand it, in CQUAM, the L+R amplitude modulates a full=20 carrier.? That's simple enough.? The L-R signals amplitude modulates=20 a carrier 90 degrees out phase with the first (in quadrature) in=20 which the carrier is suppressed.? OK.? That's doable as well.? This=20 is classic quadrature AM modulation, with the L+R signal independent=20 of its 90-degree shifted conjugate which is the L-R signal.?=20 However, the vector result which is the only thing a conventional=20 radio can detect, would not be simply the L+R signal with a carrier=20 in-phase with it.? So it's not compatible. >=20 > In the Motorola scheme, these two quadrature signals are then fed=20 into limiter to recover just the phase information for a carrier=20 which is them AM modulated with the L+R signal. >=20 > Was there a reason for this Rube Goldberg scheme as opposed to=20 just directly linearly phase modulating the carrier with L-R=20 information? >=20 > Mike >=20 I asked the same, time ago, and somebody explained that the Magnavox=20 system (pure L-R phase modulation) was some unsolved problems which=20 C-QUAM fix. ??? I don't understand it, but it was the explanation. Anyhow, C-QUAM, Magnavox and Harris use phase modulation family=20 tricks and it wasn't/isn't/won't be a good solution in a RF band=20 known by its inherent DX phasing problems. Then ISB AMS (Kahn) takes advantage (win), because ISB is more=20 efficient against the phasing problems (like SSB is better than AM=20 in HF bands). OK, I admit the first Kahn system wasn't/isn't the best (because the=20 undesirable sideband cancellation system needed a better technology=20 not present in the '80), but today, with all the digital tricks we=20 have... I insist ISB AMS is better than the others, if you can=20 convince the FCC square heads, of course. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 21 00:10:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51215 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2008 08:10:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2008 08:10:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2008 08:10:11 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bd9.2840315a (39953) for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 03:10:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 03:10:05 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=je4g7h-69_TaRg1tilymGlwYtDkLw9C99i50BqYi39hCu0RejEUKzSgIj6hcrpPM X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's another question. I have many. Does the 25 hz pilot tone linearly phase modulate the carrier or is it added out of phase to the L and R signals? With it being out of phase between L and R, it would cancel in the L+R, resulting in no amplitude modulation. In the L -R, it would be additive at twice amplitude which would phase modulate the carrier. However, the transfer function would be tangential, not linear. My understanding is the 25 hz tone only serves identify the signal as AMS and serves no decoding purpose, right? Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 21 04:27:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98360 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2008 12:27:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2008 12:27:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.232) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2008 12:27:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49165 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2008 12:27:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HmqasXcVM1lOtVezHZfRLJYO1NUSsbURd_NESx.hkpIAsqhLoxtlwSuk_CguLKJt.Hn3yKjMfk7AMZKD1yLuBDIIRjqfKJt3vVWFID8GuHkAu2DuhN8- X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:27:07 PST Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:27:07 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4DBA4C2560BC4529AB05ED007DB2910B@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <780899.45357.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=ZuL0N5xBVBFY206-sxruIly9Au3raCm1b_wLZFQ27l08qo3AwcSb X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't remember which e-mail list it was. It might have been this one or the previous one belonging to a guy named Dennis. If memory serves correctly it was Kevin Tekel that posted the audio clips. They may have been Part 15 stations he had built that originated the audio. In any event, it was around 2000-2001. There have been a few e-mail lists to date. This one is the longest but before this there was Dennis' (where I got admonished for calling Clear Channel a name) & 1 or maybe 2 more before. The 1st one I joined was Alex K.'s when I was in college ~1998. The best post I remember reading was one where somebody posted a list of 5 things for A.M. stations to survive which I think unfortunately I threw away my copy of. I haven't been able to find another copy since. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 hank smith wrote: can I get that website so I can compare? ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 7:56 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM - I am confused Around 2000 sound clips of all the systems were posted on an A.M.S. list (I forget if it was this one or a predecessor). The Magnavox system sounded the best. I was very unimpressed by the Kahn system. Its sound wasn't as good as Magnavox or C-QUAM. I could never understand why people went crazy over the Kahn system as it sounded terrible. Maybe in the future when I finally have a house & enough land to build a system, I'll be on 160/75m with Magnavox. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 george russell wrote: Mike, your first proposal is EXACTLY what Magnavox PMX did! The exciter was phase-mod with (L-R) via a three-varactor voltage-controlled delay line, up to a max of 57 degrees, then this fed the transmitter, where it was AMed with (L+R). I agree, this is a simple, straightforward approach, and has several advantages over C-QUAM, one being simpler processing. Last fall, I had a lengthy phone conversation with Mr. Robert Streeter, who developed and patented the system for Magnavox, and installed it at WOWO in Fort Wayne. (patent number 4,332,978) The biggest point he made was that PMX is LINEAR phase modulation, and C-QUAM is tangental. He believed that the idea of I and Q was no surprise, as Mr. Parker, one of C-QUAMs patentees, had also been involved with color TV research. Thought he admits he couldn't prove it, he was pretty sure Motorola went with C-QUAM mainly because it was an ideal MONO system, being very compatible as long as stereo separation was only average, and it's complexity would give Motorola a head start in cornering the market on decoders. (Actually, Motorola DID try to sue Sony for the SRF-A100, as it decoded C-QUAM "incorrectly". That radio admittedly used a Magnavox decoder, with modifications to make it work more or less with any system) On the decoding end, PMX is also way simpler. Phase detector yields (L-R), envelope detector yields (L+R), a quick matrix, and there you have it! A simple gain-tracking circuit keeps (L-R) and (L+R) levels equal, insuring steady imaging. Magnavox converted a "boom-box" portable to PMX, put it on display at a hardware store in Ft. Wayne, and it caused quite a stir. At that time, though , Phillips (Magnavox's parent co.) decided to stop spending money on AM stereo, and put it into CDs. As far as I (or Mr. Streeter) know, that was the ONLY consumer level PMX receiver ever made! (I'd love to have it!) Eric Culp, CE at WOWO in those days, said it best..."C-QUAM is a very complicated way to do a very simple task!" There were problems with PMX in it's early days, but there were problems with ALL systems until the bugs were worked out. Magnavox got it working great, and WOWO sounded excellent! They had to inject the 25 Hz. tone to get the by-then all C-QUAM market to decode, but even after all the differences, WOWO sounded good on the C-QUAM sets, too. Mr. Streeter summed it up nicely..."C-QUAM wasn't a technical victory, it was a political one." I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, the FCC (after making PMX the standard at first), gave in to powerful (corporate) forces, let ALL systems go on the air, and dallied over a decade before settling on C-QUAM. AM Stereo suffered the same confusion that all but killed quadrophonic...no standard! If I were to build my own exciter, at the risk of a great deal of criticism, I would definitely go with Magnavox...it's smart, VERY smart! Just $0.02 from a guy who heard them all in their day. George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I would look like to me the way of doing AM stereo > is the amplitude modulate the carrier with L+R and > phase modulate the carrier with L-R.? That would be > compatible and alot simpler than the present CQUAM > system. > > As I understand it, in CQUAM, the L+R amplitude > modulates a full carrier.? That's simple enough.? > The L-R signals amplitude modulates a carrier 90 > degrees out phase with the first (in quadrature) in > which the carrier is suppressed.? OK.? That's doable > as well.? This is classic quadrature AM modulation, > with the L+R signal independent of its 90-degree > shifted conjugate which is the L-R signal.? However, > the vector result which is the only thing a > conventional radio can detect, would not be simply > the L+R signal with a carrier in-phase with it.? So > it's not compatible. > > In the Motorola scheme, these two quadrature signals > are then fed into limiter to recover just the phase > information for a carrier which is them AM modulated > with the L+R signal. > > Was there a reason for this Rube Goldberg scheme as > opposed to just directly linearly phase modulating > the carrier with L-R information? > > Mike > __________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 21 07:55:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59797 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2008 15:55:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2008 15:55:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2008 15:55:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11830 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2008 15:55:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: J4HSFq0VM1nmSZvB36Gp_q.KW1cUW2JWbSuNeL7G2pJ9MoYAnwwhj6R.4quM5fUSxTtIqIX6SQ-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.130] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:55:40 PST Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:55:40 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <45148.9614.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=U1gA7B8tkzKF-DW_kQlVlEvtYgoHNSl1mDXD-ZMhKqI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > The cartridge and stylus for a Stanton 500 V3 is > very easy to find. A > package of two new complete cartridges sell for $41 > on eBay. Singles are $25 at > Dick's Sporting Goods. > > This is a "stratch" cartridge, meaning it will take > back-cueing. It's the > successor to the famed 500 AL. It's rugged, but > perhaps not the most refine. > With the 500 AL you swap the stylus and make it the > high fidelity, lower groove > wear 681 which was more delicate. The 681 is a different cartridge. I don't think the 681 SERIES stylus will fit properly IF at all. That said the 500EE stylus comes close. > The nice thing about the Stanton turntable is it has > a detachable industry > standard cartridge head. You could put a Shure 44C > in there if you wanted. As > a side note, I thought the Shure was named for the > Shure Brothers > Manufacturing Company who produced it. Turns out I > was wrong. It gots its name from the > fact the stylus was SURE to breakoff the first time > you tried backqueing a > record with it. there is a sharp edge on both sides of the section the stylus on a M44 series cartridge stylus comes out of. A very SHARP razor blade and extreme care will take care of that, but if you are very clumsy you can still break the stylus. The yellow N44E stylus is elliptical. They also made a M55E. Simple to change a M44 to that, use the N55E stylus...a brown one. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 21 09:02:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91537 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2008 17:02:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2008 17:02:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2008 17:02:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 72662 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2008 17:02:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: I392VBMVM1nKkDGH.QZ43FRUOdKkiA2MSLcVDQ_2SGOlS2pL4YlfYqZhrhQ8qj6DTqUdNwlmeoIDQxewdsBiE6E.flubL6M41njvLzz0ByzF3Us- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:02:09 PST Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:02:09 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <311865.72645.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=pFjCMt9KQ7Yvh9uyrvCSOEHikSsrhZbipFjTpIg145bnshxIorIG-as X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Only the first version of the Harris system used their pilot tone for fancy stuff (actually, it was even a moving target)! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 21 11:17:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38291 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2008 19:17:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2008 19:17:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2008 19:17:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bb8.1df94c78 (42809) for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:17:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:17:41 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=zJC9C00ax4KKnyLBxkB803EB1Dnbt_N5msYfCJRd6Wtqs7fLzUlGXRA7LoyhCcJi X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As it has been awhile, I differ to your opinion as to the styli opinions for the 500AL. As the heads are standard and detachable (I am not sure on the NuMark), I suppose with an extra head, one could use a more refined cartridge with a similar output level. That is, if one needed to both cue and transcribe. Thanks for the correction, Powell! You may have saved Hank some cash. As for the modification to the Shure, a person with your dexterity could do brain surgery on a flea. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jan 21 11:35:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48311 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2008 19:35:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2008 19:35:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2008 19:35:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 62521 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2008 19:35:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CSBDCLMVM1kAWSvkEfVl_9iBTLloBHvihOMlp1dYswUKtNUKq5TclEZ_6UWNWW204Ve7kShdsw-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:35:12 PST Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:35:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <254336.61172.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.:Resurgence of Vinyl in Time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=3atmY4ooChFqr4Ut5omrTqlPEzZU7OXbZxDRGtSa5VM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > As it has been awhile, I differ to your opinion as > to the styli opinions for the 500AL. The 500 series has a lot of options. > Thanks for the correction, Powell! You may have > saved Hank some cash. As > for the modification to the Shure, a person with > your dexterity could do brain surgery on a flea. It's not hard. I didn't do it on mine because I am careful. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jan 21 13:38:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42591 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2008 21:38:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2008 21:38:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.206) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2008 21:38:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98586 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2008 21:38:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aFxurkYVM1kTVDJxANK6coIuUopcKv7Al2.c3Ks5HMlxZweoFOPhNiRi1nmg0MXhzA-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:38:01 PST Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:38:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <982151.98291.qm@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=K9DUt7ZK8E7iY4G0wALssxWt0rhYOyno85bzLZHpgH7n9w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes, in C-QUAM, the pilot modulates the phase, tangentally, and if all is working right, there is no trace of it in the amplitude. Unlike FM, where the pilot is a needed phase reference for decoding, in AM it only serves to ID the station as stereo. First-batch Harris DID use a variable-freq. pilot to indicate angle between phases, and PMX used an FM pilot (5 Hz, max. dev. 20 Hz.) that could be used to carry slow information, like RDS, but AFAIK, all other pilots were just IDs. George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Here's another question. I have many. > > Does the 25 hz pilot tone linearly phase modulate > the carrier or is it added > out of phase to the L and R signals? With it being > out of phase between L and > R, it would cancel in the L+R, resulting in no > amplitude modulation. In the > L -R, it would be additive at twice amplitude which > would phase modulate the > carrier. However, the transfer function would be > tangential, not linear. > > My understanding is the 25 hz tone only serves > identify the signal as AMS and > serves no decoding purpose, right? > > Mike > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jan 22 09:11:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81253 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2008 17:11:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2008 17:11:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2008 17:11:51 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d64.1d5574f1 (39952) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:11:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:11:33 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=8eceU0gNeXpNiHEgtl2pULG9M9nqo9U9q-hFqZMsF-7UszsUwfEB5x9UNGhq-3Ga X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For all you technical guys: I assume the greatest carrier phase shift occurs when the L and R inputs are equal and out of phase which produces (ideally) no amplitude modulation of the carrier. As the signals produce no AM modulation regardless of their amplitude, nothing really defines the relationship between their amplitude to the phase shift of the carrier. I could assume the peak envelope of the DSBSC quadrature component was the same as the in-phase full carrier AM envelope would be if the same L and R signals were in phase and produced 100% AM modulation. Then the phase shift would be that of the resulting vector from addition of the quadrature sidebands with the in-phase carrier. Of course, there is no law that says the peak envelopes of the two components must be the same. As one AM component is full carrier and the other is not, it most likely isn't. It could be anything. Bottom line, what is the peak to peak carrier phase shift when a Right signal identical to the Left that produces 100% amplitude and 0% phase modulation is inverted becoming -R resulting in 0% amplitude modulation and 100% phase modulation? My guess is +/- 45 degrees or +/- Pi/4 radians. Gosh, this is interesting as all hell. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jan 22 16:32:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10777 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2008 00:32:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2008 00:32:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2008 00:32:51 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d41.2065e81b (37570); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:32:47 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from WEBMAIL-DC04 (webmail-dc04.webmail.aol.com [205.188.149.26]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB047-92c247968b2f23; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:32:47 -0500 References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, funwithtubes@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:32:46 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-DC04.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.26) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:32:46 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA2B6E9C64BEE9-650-12E6@WEBMAIL-DC04.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Transmitter and Antenna Design (was New Year with CQUAM special of... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=HZL3wJMCwDxO2_-Kbo7lcO_RYCYRpi_jqG5Puqng96DOQ82KXX9zvDefyl_xEQeI X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Might anyone know of a source for a toroidal 1:1 50 ohm balun rated for about 1 watt from 0.25 to?3.5 megahertz?? Actually, just a 1:1 transformer with two isolated 50 ohm windings would do.? In fact, the isolation might be advantageous given the fet output. Also, can anyone burn a 27C family UV eprom? Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Tue Jan 22 21:10:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63643 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2008 05:10:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2008 05:10:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2008 05:10:11 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c21.153d7b83 (37659) for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:10:05 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-65.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.65]) by cia-mb07.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB071-931b4796cc293df; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:10:04 -0500 Message-ID: <2171D9FB639C4A31950E7930DEE7CE43@home9b6221bfb8> To: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:10:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3264 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3264 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.65 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: phono preamp question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=HT9553elPzZLuydbV9X2SDSUMx3WMjHEYApek6Hi0Lf-UUwfTRnW X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 hello I went ahead and purchased a ground loop icelator. it has 2 sets of rca jacks one side is shorter then the other as far as wires pairs. I have the shorter pair going from computer to loop icelator and the long pair of leeds going threw to preamp is this hooked up correctly? thanks Hank From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 01:31:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25142 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2008 09:31:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2008 09:31:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.187) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2008 09:31:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2008 09:31:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2008 09:31:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2008 09:31:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:31:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <780899.45357.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.23.16 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=K-zqFs8CoRgscVYL5suH9sWCAwovuxaA35URUd4VltcN8tiw X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > I don't remember which e-mail list it was. It might have been this one or the previous one belonging to a guy named Dennis. If memory serves correctly it was Kevin Tekel that posted the audio clips. They may have been Part 15 stations he had built that originated the audio. In any event, it was around 2000-2001. The AMS Archive still exists, but yes, you're referring to it when it was originally an FTP directory hosted on the NRC's DX Audio Service FTP server. The AMS demos were made on a Pioneer (if I recall) multi-mode test generator, which did everything but the RCA-Belar system. (Harris' VCPM was in fixed-mode QAM, rather than the variable pilot carrier.) The archive still has some of them in its demos directory: http://tinyurl.com/24fchy But would be quite happy for more demos. The AMS Archive is still the largest-maintained AMS-related audio and data archive, and still actively accepts airchecks, demos and other AMS stuff- projects, circuits, tips and the like- although it has been quiet. in recent months. http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/ There has never really been an anti-digital policy at the AMS Archive, just a reluctance for bad engineering and proprietary systems, but will happily accept HD/DRM/DAB DX airchecks, as well as old & new AMS airchecks, regardless of system. They don't play favourites with any system. Again, demos and other such AMS stuff syill welcome. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 01:35:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61301 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2008 09:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2008 09:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.209) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2008 09:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2008 09:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2008 09:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2008 09:35:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:35:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.23.16 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=IfPFNLRNDsOFVXSVJOkrSVpneMGVrGc6G6SbPWC7B_7LFjhA X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Here's another question. I have many. >=20 > Does the 25 hz pilot tone linearly phase modulate the carrier or is it added=20 > out of phase to the L and R signals? With it being out of phase between L and=20 > R, it would cancel in the L+R, resulting in no amplitude modulation. In the=20 > L -R, it would be additive at twice amplitude which would phase modulate the=20 > carrier. However, the transfer function would be tangential, not linear. Correct- It's modulated in the (L-R), primarily to reduce incidental co-channel triggering. =20 > My understanding is the 25 hz tone only serves identify the signal as AMS and=20 > serves no decoding purpose, right? Correct. Just triggers the C-QUAM receiver to go into stereo. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 01:45:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86180 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2008 09:45:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2008 09:45:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.56) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2008 09:45:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2008 09:45:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2008 09:45:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:45:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <311865.72645.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.23.16 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=0Jw3ljh9Id8LmLFC-9h_OMTq7g8Sl15zxYRGsWnAoCbFLXyf X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > Only the first version of the Harris system used their pilot tone for > fancy stuff (actually, it was even a moving target)! It was a phase-steering pilot (based on the EMI AM stereo/FM stereo/TV stereo proposal of the 1950s), which varied the phase according to the average degree of stereo separation (L-R) in use. The net effect was that while there was no platform motion in the broadcasted audio, there WAS platform motion in the incidental hiss/static! (Check the MP3 of KOMO 1000, Seattle at the AMS Archive- One of the last Harris stations in 1991, when the tape was recorded: http://tinyurl.com/2p6sj ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (No, they're not using Harris, now.) From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 03:17:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92229 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2008 11:17:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2008 11:17:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.214) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2008 11:17:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2008 11:17:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2008 11:17:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:17:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.23.16 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=mHdYGDsguqhuEVwU5WnyayM0Ek3Uys9J8CITyhbaHqW1Q4PD X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > The AMS demos were made on a Pioneer (if I recall) > multi-mode test generator, Panasonic, now that I remember, and it was Mr. Tekel's, if I do recall correctly. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ke7ief@aol.com Wed Jan 23 10:04:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91636 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2008 18:04:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2008 18:04:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2008 18:04:51 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c85.209f4b48 (37185) for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:04:50 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-65.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.65]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA056-9141479781c091; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:04:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3EE2F66FC4CF44D2A3ED52F2B4EF0D4B@home9b6221bfb8> To: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:05:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3264 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3264 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.65 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: can some one help me identify this hum? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=be2lyzbI19coHGPeirSU7XPUxTmtj2YRhrzXWE2kTF24E5d-VAmc X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 hello I am still getting a slite hum from the preamp it is minimized but still audible can some one take a listen to this sample I am going to upload to the group files section and help me figure what this is? it doesn't sound like a 60 cycle hum Hank From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Jan 23 10:20:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 74154 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2008 18:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2008 18:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n49a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.143) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2008 18:20:12 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2008 18:20:12 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2008 18:20:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2008 18:20:12 -0000 Date: 23 Jan 2008 18:20:11 -0000 Message-ID: <1201112411.28149.22763.w122@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /record sample.mp3 Uploaded by : alive4jesus1 Description : the odd hum I am running to I can't identify where this is coming from it doesn't appear to sound like a 60 cycle hum can some one identify this for me? You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/record%20sample.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, alive4jesus1 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Jan 23 18:01:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91864 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 02:01:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 02:01:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 02:01:12 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.170] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080123200105001844100003> for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:01:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005401c85e2d$a3542880$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:01:05 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Car Receiver question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Qc5SUwLqRbARhCT0v7wN7YhnOw_AW7pnBMclyfIzOFPALICnUR2j X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Take your Alfredo Lite with you and find out. I'll loan you mine if you don't have one as long as you pay shipping both ways. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com The 94 is getting tired and I was looking towards a 96 (the last year for Roadmaster). The radio is also a Concert II, has a CD player and no graphic equalizer. I don't know if it is AM stereo. I did realize the one in the 94 was AM until the "ST" indicator came on going past WLS. There is nothing on either radio to indicate AM Stereo capability. Anyone know? The Roadmaster is the same as the Chevrolet Caprice and Cadillac Fleetwood of the same year. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Jan 23 18:15:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23037 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 02:15:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 02:15:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 02:15:01 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.170] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080123201426001714100003> for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:14:26 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <010301c85e2f$80e934a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <736843.20524.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:14:26 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=qONlFzG6u26iEJWHF2pDSKNXDxtlNVD_9f-LG3iD3PLHZWhc6voF X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The reason the broadcasters didn't like it was that you had to limit the negative modulation or you'd get popping noises in the decoded audio. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mike, your first proposal is EXACTLY what Magnavox PMX did! The exciter was phase-mod with (L-R) via a three-varactor voltage-controlled delay line, up to a max of 57 degrees, then this fed the transmitter, where it was AMed with (L+R). I agree, this is a simple, straightforward approach, and has several advantages over C-QUAM, one being simpler processing. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 18:30:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52737 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 02:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 02:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 02:30:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 64383 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jan 2008 02:30:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GIW44roVM1kTdINmFOLCBZdeinc1MgvApjskfpP0cqYpkvu6qcU9c.L7gqBaLbSiv6p79sy8wjsEww2l9DSyV4z4AaVoODj1p86KjckBaNA6WQWIfno- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:30:43 PST Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:30:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <010301c85e2f$80e934a0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <332273.61325.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=K68KQvSro5pF5XIBDYjp76wsPBMWcNf7B8nOP0Jh_eDcUg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes, but how bad is it? WOWO CE told me they were limiting negatives to 94%, didn't seem too bad to me at the time, but I guess these days every % is money! George --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > The reason the broadcasters didn't like it was that > you had to limit the negative modulation or you'd > get popping noises in the decoded audio. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Mike, > your first proposal is EXACTLY what Magnavox PMX > did! > The exciter was phase-mod with (L-R) via a > three-varactor voltage-controlled delay line, up > to a > max of 57 degrees, then this fed the transmitter, > where it was AMed with (L+R). I agree, this is a > simple, straightforward approach, and has several > advantages over C-QUAM, one being simpler > processing. > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 21:59:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81938 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 05:59:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 05:59:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.179) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 05:59:36 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 05:59:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 05:59:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 05:59:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 05:59:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <332273.61325.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.34.128 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=otgdSC10uecFcxFImCttRHpayqSwazhPm4rRKo_5se2l_z1A X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Yes, but how bad is it? WOWO CE told me they were > limiting negatives to 94%, didn't seem too bad to me > at the time, but I guess these days every % is money! Very bad. Radios lock on carrier. If you cross the carrier, you could lose the lock. On some radios, this sounds like "thumping" or "fluttering". Then you're talking about additional noise from the sideband crossing over. into the other sideband's realm, producing unwanted audio. You do not want to exceed 98% negative modulation. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 22:12:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88328 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 06:12:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 06:12:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.167) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 06:12:33 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 06:12:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 06:12:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 06:12:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 06:12:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2171D9FB639C4A31950E7930DEE7CE43@home9b6221bfb8> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.63 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: phono preamp question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=djkl5X-Z4U0pTovA9jWPC6CpGuT64NVPjJCeegarhDw8yRIyBg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" =20 wrote: > > hello I went ahead and purchased a ground loop icelator. > it has 2 sets of rca jacks one side is shorter then the other as=20 far as=20 > wires pairs. > I have the shorter pair going from computer to loop icelator and=20 the long=20 > pair of leeds going threw to preamp > is this hooked up correctly? > thanks > Hank > The best way to fight against the ground loop problems is to find=20 the reason of the ground loop. In the old (but so good) vinyl record world, the major reason was/is=20 the bad and/or poor ground connection between the turntable and the=20 RIAA pre-amplifier. Another reason could be the ground "genesis": if the=20 ground "starting point" of the RIAA pre-amp isn't the same of the=20 turntable and/or the final power-amp, you will get a great headache=20 with the ground loop noise. Another reason could be the bad/poor isolation of the ground "cover=20 screen" of the audio cable you're using between the phono cartridge=20 and the RIAA pre-amp. I use a SHURE M-72B phono cartridge and a TEAC PA-4 RIAA pre-amp and=20 I don't have any kind of problems. At last, if the ground loop noise is a reduced "near" 60 Hz problem,=20 you can fix it with the NOTCH FILTER of the well-known and loved=20 COOL EDIT PRO, if you are in the analog to digital transferring=20 world, of course. (I guess there must be some real time parametric=20 equalizer and/or notch filter device to fix it too. Of course, it=20 isn't an ideal and cheap solution.) GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 22:26:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67188 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 06:26:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 06:26:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.128) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 06:26:29 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n1.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 06:26:28 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 06:26:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 06:26:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 06:26:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.63 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=arXF4g7rIdyto86SwFEyIQO_Q5vvFFmLZ91D8KnAOvI9zl12_A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@ wrote: > > > > Here's another question. I have many. > >=20 > > Does the 25 hz pilot tone linearly phase modulate the carrier or=20 is > it added=20 > > out of phase to the L and R signals? With it being out of phase > between L and=20 > > R, it would cancel in the L+R, resulting in no amplitude=20 modulation. > In the=20 > > L -R, it would be additive at twice amplitude which would phase > modulate the=20 > > carrier. However, the transfer function would be tangential, not > linear. >=20 > Correct- It's modulated in the (L-R), primarily to reduce=20 incidental > co-channel triggering. >=20=20 > > My understanding is the 25 hz tone only serves identify the=20 signal > as AMS and=20 > > serves no decoding purpose, right? >=20 > Correct. Just triggers the C-QUAM receiver to go into stereo. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Amy!!! But, please, excuse my ignorance, Why the receiver needs a tone to=20 be trigged to work into stereo mode? As I understand, if a C-QUAM tuner is tuned into a MONO=20 transmission, the decoder stage can still "full" work but, as it=20 won't find a phase modulation component error/difference, it'll be=20 forced to stay in mono mode (I'm talking about according the=20 standard Motorola explanation of the C-QUAM decoding chip), so...=20 Why it needs some extra tone? It's the same with ISB decoders: the "pilot" tone is absolutely=20 unnecessary because the decoder can work with or without a real=20 stereo transmission. So... You know I'm a moron and I need some extra lesson, hehehe!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 22:38:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18363 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 06:38:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 06:38:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.128) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 06:38:06 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 06:38:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 06:38:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 06:38:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 06:38:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EE2F66FC4CF44D2A3ED52F2B4EF0D4B@home9b6221bfb8> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.63 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: can some one help me identify this hum? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=nPqxtNmNdcH_JR3PU8sX7wAMaD6zQ0L2NBqI5kEu43X95jCJ9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" =20 wrote: > > hello I am still getting a slite hum from the preamp it is=20 minimized but=20 > still audible can some one take a listen to this sample I am going=20 to upload=20 > to the group files section and help me figure what this is? it=20 doesn't sound=20 > like a 60 cycle hum > Hank > Hi Hank!!! I' not an expert on it but I guess it's some motor rotation/friction=20 family noise (not a direct 60 Hz electric power noise). If you're using COOL EDIT PRO, you can use the NOTCH FILTER tool to=20 eliminate the noise. Of course, the real solution is to test your turntable motor. Just an idea: I had a very close noise time ago and I discovered the=20 reason into an stupid not electronic reason: my turntable was=20 touching a loose wood surface, which was vibrating (not audible)=20 with the conditioned air system of my studio!!! I separated the=20 turntable off the wood and the noise disappeared!!! Just a case. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From ke7ief@aol.com Wed Jan 23 22:39:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3376 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 06:39:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 06:39:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 06:39:39 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c74.24366ef8 (37073) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:39:34 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-65.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.65]) by cia-db05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB057-90d1479832a41c2; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:39:33 -0500 Message-ID: <7F8640F95B1F40A595A179EE483CCD74@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:39:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3264 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3264 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.65 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: phono preamp question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=yMnU0X9G7BAQHnI7luNmNZXmsdbDB2Nn91usCJtFj1tGGrhpI96x X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I posted a record sample to the group can you take a listen to that and tell me what hurts hum that is? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:12 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: phono preamp question --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" =20 wrote: > > hello I went ahead and purchased a ground loop icelator. > it has 2 sets of rca jacks one side is shorter then the other as=20 far as=20 > wires pairs. > I have the shorter pair going from computer to loop icelator and=20 the long=20 > pair of leeds going threw to preamp > is this hooked up correctly? > thanks > Hank > The best way to fight against the ground loop problems is to find=20 the reason of the ground loop. In the old (but so good) vinyl record world, the major reason was/is=20 the bad and/or poor ground connection between the turntable and the=20 RIAA pre-amplifier. Another reason could be the ground "genesis": if the=20 ground "starting point" of the RIAA pre-amp isn't the same of the=20 turntable and/or the final power-amp, you will get a great headache=20 with the ground loop noise. Another reason could be the bad/poor isolation of the ground "cover=20 screen" of the audio cable you're using between the phono cartridge=20 and the RIAA pre-amp. I use a SHURE M-72B phono cartridge and a TEAC PA-4 RIAA pre-amp and=20 I don't have any kind of problems. At last, if the ground loop noise is a reduced "near" 60 Hz problem,=20 you can fix it with the NOTCH FILTER of the well-known and loved=20 COOL EDIT PRO, if you are in the analog to digital transferring=20 world, of course. (I guess there must be some real time parametric=20 equalizer and/or notch filter device to fix it too. Of course, it=20 isn't an ideal and cheap solution.) GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Wed Jan 23 22:42:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8214 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 06:42:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 06:42:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 06:42:26 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d52.21efca6e (37084) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:42:22 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-65.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.65]) by cia-db06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB066-90dc4798334c1a1; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:42:21 -0500 Message-ID: To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:42:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3264 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3264 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.65 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: can some one help me identify this hum? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=UQFMHVgE2MhFl3Lcvt7V8rE6-tKz9EWGG6s5XYc7xuG-eriCCxaj X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the turn table is sitting on the top shelf of my computer stand its sitting on the stand securely but the front is hanging off a bit do to = it being to big for the stand. could this be the problem? just curious. Hank ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:38 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: can some one help me identify this hum? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" =20 wrote: > > hello I am still getting a slite hum from the preamp it is=20 minimized but=20 > still audible can some one take a listen to this sample I am going=20 to upload=20 > to the group files section and help me figure what this is? it=20 doesn't sound=20 > like a 60 cycle hum > Hank > Hi Hank!!! I' not an expert on it but I guess it's some motor rotation/friction=20 family noise (not a direct 60 Hz electric power noise). If you're using COOL EDIT PRO, you can use the NOTCH FILTER tool to=20 eliminate the noise. Of course, the real solution is to test your turntable motor. Just an idea: I had a very close noise time ago and I discovered the=20 reason into an stupid not electronic reason: my turntable was=20 touching a loose wood surface, which was vibrating (not audible)=20 with the conditioned air system of my studio!!! I separated the=20 turntable off the wood and the noise disappeared!!! Just a case. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Wed Jan 23 22:45:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29173 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 06:45:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 06:45:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 06:45:02 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c08.2bebb0b7 (37106) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:44:54 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-65.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.65]) by cia-db08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB084-90f2479833e537e; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:44:54 -0500 Message-ID: To: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:44:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3264 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3264 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.65 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: thaught of another possible problem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=UIW7FvNEzZNt2iPp9YWfa5VxV4aEQVSQIPrbsuSlsxMRAbSpTXBt X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 my friend who gave me the preamp told me it was for crystal cartrages not megnetic could that cause a hum? I thaught the crystal preamps took all the base out though? am confused on that one. this is what the guy told him at radio shack that this amp was for crystal cartrages Hank From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 24 00:59:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53834 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 08:59:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 08:59:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.93) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 08:59:21 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 08:59:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.135] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 08:59:20 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp108.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 08:59:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 540426.30379.bm@omp108.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 53069 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jan 2008 08:59:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dyQsSA4VM1nDV.D2gwo6Hs5qIRlPTjW0Tfh0OFaV4iZZMsdDAJ_EmcV06T78_ah81A-- X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:59:19 PST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:59:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <575229.53064.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=rm514iPEAvVuuUkqgFsAydY3XnZoSIgpMniP4YlnlbMdYkJ0LaGr X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke I received this station tonight here in my driveway in the town and country in full AM stereo tonight around 2 am. Anyone know what the power output at night is on this station? I live in Greenville, SC and that station is in Iowa. It sure locked onto the stereo signal and played nicely for me in AM stereo. -Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jan 24 01:02:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1475 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 09:02:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 09:02:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.218) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 09:02:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 09:02:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 09:02:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:01:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.23.205 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=z3KFNt0ZhU_185RtZh7z7KxtsvAjVH7YH7bQaGJUdQMv7WC1 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > But, please, excuse my ignorance, Why the receiver needs a tone to=20 > be trigged to work into stereo mode? To prevent the radio from falsely going stereo on a non-stereo signal. > As I understand, if a C-QUAM tuner is tuned into a MONO=20 > transmission, the decoder stage can still "full" work but, as it=20 > won't find a phase modulation component error/difference, it'll be=20 > forced to stay in mono mode (I'm talking about according the=20 > standard Motorola explanation of the C-QUAM decoding chip), so...=20 > Why it needs some extra tone? >=20 > It's the same with ISB decoders: the "pilot" tone is absolutely=20 > unnecessary because the decoder can work with or without a real=20 > stereo transmission. Yes, the stereo can work without a pilot- The pilot isn't necessary for that, but it is necessary to tell the receiver, "yes, this is a stereo broadcast", and not have something falsely trigger the receiver into stereo.....unless you want a forced-stereo receiver that's stereo on the moment of carrier detection, as was the case for the Sony SRF-A100 and SRF-A1. A forced-stereo radio goes stereo on any carrier, even mono carriers. Great if you want to test the signal quality of a given mono broadcast. :) (Of course, you could do that with an FM/PM discriminator, too.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Jan 24 08:17:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48314 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 16:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 16:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 16:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.205] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080124101723001664500003> for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:17:23 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004901c85ea5$46066c60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <575229.53064.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:17:23 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=1uFYbzzOhD0V9IVu3nSb4SIZyugdrPhPuBVot3GZ6fvwz8Ktim0R X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1000W. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I received this station tonight here in my driveway in the town and country in full AM stereo tonight around 2 am. Anyone know what the power output at night is on this station? --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Jan 24 08:36:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74610 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 16:36:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 16:36:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 16:36:40 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so353180pyi.0 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:36:39 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.115.18 with SMTP id s18mr931088pym.59.1201192599538; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:36:39 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:36:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80801240836h28dafb82qa34b25d23ebcec92@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:36:39 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004901c85ea5$46066c60$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <575229.53064.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <004901c85ea5$46066c60$d503fea9@stodd> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=HjIws1j-NyXrzKjeguRRSfpqg6i2xMJgAIsAJNPU4nAfrJX_OBTrC09j X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With about 3 exceptions, all stations between 1620 and 1700kHZ are 10KW Day and 1KW night, Non directional. Paul On Jan 24, 2008 11:17 AM, wrote: > 1000W. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clemsonbloke > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > I received this station tonight here in my driveway in > the town and country in full AM stereo tonight around > 2 am. Anyone know what the power output at night is > on this station? > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - > $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 24 08:47:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22254 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 16:47:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 16:47:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 16:47:29 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ced.27593ea3 (48552) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:47:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:47:31 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=c1zE2cfgKVYLCz46pniCS_EnRueQlyz3yF4ccOjpEkIlhOM4J4jetfW0l0pxSWsD X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KCJJ has phenomenal coverage for reasons I do not fully understand. At night, KCJJ only runs 1kW. They run non-directional into a shorter than 1/4 wave tower. The area is noted for very high ground conductivity. However, WHO in Des Moines enjoys the same high ground conductity along with a tall modified Franklin tower with signal protection extending to World's End. They run 50kW nondirectional with a 1 km field that could set your drawers on fire. With that said, at 600 miles distance, they both come in at the same signal strength. You figure. KOMA in Oklahoma City with 50kW into a directional array regularly put a listenable signal into Viet Nam. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 24 08:59:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98370 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 16:59:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 16:59:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 16:59:10 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c0c.28de9e5d (48552) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:58:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:58:42 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=f26KaU39ZlU0F8jp4WoGLDF1hfXxlfyFWQxvp-OnUJ_Cvw8uYyK3AdHQLLpcRL3u X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As Amy mentioned, the reason for the pilot is to prevent false triggers. While convention monaural AM stations may have very little incidental phase modulation at the transmitter output, that does not mean their received signals were similarly free of phase modulation. At night, due to variations in return path length because of ionosheric conditions, the ablsolute phase of distant AM skywave signals changes considerably which appears to an AM stereo receiver as phase modulation. The same effect occurs in groundwave when a moving receiver crosses through nulls in a directional station's signal. I could be wrong, but my guess is that in absence of a 25 hertz tone, the AMS receiver keeps the residual garbage that appears in quadrature from being added into the mono signal. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jan 24 10:32:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81854 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 18:32:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 18:32:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.159) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 18:32:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5595 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jan 2008 18:32:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zs7..gwVM1n1eDu5z334R5y8It9o5.VdfAPdjgtYNHliYSgpRYgVYEB0JhTEPeQ_8JD0P5SjRQ-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:32:08 PST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:32:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <575229.53064.qm@web23012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <637570.96268.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=7hdMnqZirvkEFoegwDwoyzI3tKX1QEGj4BrW09FjVNA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- clemsonbloke wrote: > I received this station tonight here in my driveway > in > the town and country in full AM stereo tonight > around > 2 am. Anyone know what the power output at night is > on this station? I live in Greenville, SC and that > station is in Iowa. It sure locked onto the stereo > signal and played nicely for me in AM stereo. 1000 watts. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From robert.w.welch@att.net Thu Jan 24 13:55:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30891 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 21:55:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 21:55:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 21:55:33 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 21:55:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 21:55:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2008 21:55:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:55:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: I yanked my Kenwood IBOC tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=KuzE45ba1ZT1evN7shAb39g0p-sG3SQaAor8kG1YoZroPdOj3_6V X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Ladies and Gentlemen, As of this past Saturday, I yanked my Kenwood IBOC tuner bootbox from=20 the wiring maze behind my dash. The box itself is too big for me to=20 actually remove it with my bare hands. The reason... It's the dead of winter... and not even the most=20 powerful of the regions radio stations' audio will decode. Not WCBS,=20 not WFAN, not even... oh my WOR (grins). WBZ won't decode. My own=20 station, WDEV, is too wise to participate in this silliness.=20=20 I went into this with an open mind and the only station which will=20 decode is one I barely if ever listen to Vermont Public Radio. They=20 stream 3 HD channels the first one being what I'd get at 107.9 from=20 Mount Mansfield anyway.. the 2nd is classical.. The station I work at=20 has a sister station 101.7 WCVT where I can listen for that kind of=20 music. As far as HD-3 is concerned... The BBC World Service can come=20 in on my Sirius subscription and at a better sound quality. Right=20 next to the program preset I have for The CBC on Sirius. At one=20 time, The CBC could be heard right out of Montreal on CBM-940. That=20 all sadly moved at around 1998 to FM. The last CBC 50-kw station I've ever been able to hear clearly at=20 night is putting out its flamethrower at 1070 sometime in April as=20 CBA Moncton, New Brunswick has now gone FM at 106.1. Another reason why I yanked the IBOC... so many FM stations from the=20 very listenable Montreal all have RDS... with the Kenwood version of=20 IBOC receiver can't decode. As the Les Nessman character in WKRP-in-Cincinatti used to=20 say... "..may the good news be yours." Bob Welch Radio Vermont, Inc WDEV, WDEV-FM, W243AT From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Jan 24 14:56:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22235 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2008 22:56:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2008 22:56:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s22.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.94) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2008 22:56:13 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.16]) by bay0-omc1-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:56:14 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:56:10 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.16 by BLU108-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:56:04 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:56:03 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2008 22:56:10.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[50130920:01C85EDC] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I yanked my Kenwood IBOC tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=bzAee4TWhWXOo48QdRuPMI_xJT7P5DlGGKaNnAZ7_raC5zEtEMoFG5dA5i8 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your Kenwood IBOC tuner, may not be totally useless.......... maybe it might make a good door-stop?!? :) Maybe the 4th, 5th or 6th generation of IBOC will be the answer to our prayers,that along with better programming on the corporate stations could save both the a.m. and f.m. bands of terrestrial radio. It seems the smaller chains like yours are programming and doing things right, maybe the big guys could learn from you. Donn, listening to the BBC on XM 131 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 24 16:40:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83132 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 00:40:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 00:40:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.94) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 00:40:11 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.28] by n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 00:40:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.136] by t1.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 00:40:09 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp109.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 00:40:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 873378.23205.bm@omp109.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 2579 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2008 00:40:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: n4Nsis0VM1n2NI21GL2PkolF30DNCAiOFPd0k67CtUJmQH2NHo5fG1WwjTrr_26HJzm7cq16zJV.aJFNbFSa_SmsI4w4PwXK8wyNl4do.PuO X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:40:07 PST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:40:07 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <637570.96268.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <443422.605.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=CB7IrM_zqL7mgwTFKhAAurId6Bkk9x2uLoU8ArdhR0CJnrLFpavh X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Tom Suter from KCJJ emailed me and said they are 10,000 watts non-directional. I had emailed him to ask him that question last night after posting on here. I am amazed at their coverage and guys it's a damn good signal. I was receiving quality fidelity and it locked onto AM Stereo too. I'd say thats pretty dang good little station there! --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- clemsonbloke wrote: > > > I received this station tonight here in my > driveway > > in > > the town and country in full AM stereo tonight > > around > > 2 am. Anyone know what the power output at night > is > > on this station? I live in Greenville, SC and > that > > station is in Iowa. It sure locked onto the > stereo > > signal and played nicely for me in AM stereo. > > > 1000 watts. > > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 24 16:45:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89033 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 00:45:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 00:45:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bullet.mail.re4.yahoo.com) (206.190.56.22) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 00:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n3.bullet.re4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 00:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.153] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 00:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp206.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 00:45:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 371546.24509.bm@omp206.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 36976 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2008 00:45:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4uVjkcAVM1ly7l4ReGSIvjpNPq.OHreZodislq9DXnjXME6hUbtRouLa975O.pbE2TnuuSNaoSj6wJ3hsmjmjQH7y9zI2k9iuL3YanTz4FLW X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:45:35 PST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:45:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <348112.36245.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.56.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} I yanked my Kenwood IBOC tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=1ox1jng5ZkUjnwqsCkbqIgei_J8Uah8SeSnKutXwpCVWVAGUoWv- X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Yeah but I bet around those generations of receivers is when they'll decide they want to charge subscription services! Ugh! --- Donn Tillman wrote: > Your Kenwood IBOC tuner, may not be totally > useless.......... maybe it might make a good > door-stop?!? :) > > Maybe the 4th, 5th or 6th generation of IBOC will be > the answer to our prayers,that along with better > programming on the corporate stations could save > both the a.m. and f.m. bands of terrestrial radio. > > It seems the smaller chains like yours are > programming and doing things right, maybe the big > guys could learn from you. > > Donn, > listening to the BBC on XM 131 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Jan 24 16:56:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69348 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 00:56:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 00:56:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.207) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 00:56:23 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.11]) by bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:55:57 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:55:57 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.13 by BLU108-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:55:46 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:55:45 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2008 00:55:57.0316 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B7E8440:01C85EED] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} I yanked my Kenwood IBOC tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=5QNDGIsBTc3PMNCjNgREeKJIgzJJoG4SW32OlAjlyPBs5bccxY3eYMNBs9I X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stranger things have happened and there have been some hints that after several years, the HD2 and HD3 channels could have commercials or be subscription. Donn, St. Petersburg in a true AM stereo free market, where one day time station "forgets" to sign off every evening and also where the Disney station continues to have IBOC at night. (1380) ~~~~ Original Message~~~ From: clemsonbloke Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 7:45 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} I yanked my Kenwood IBOC tuner ?Yeah but I bet around those generations of receivers is when they'll decide they want to charge subscription services! Ugh! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Jan 24 17:12:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96998 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 01:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 01:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.179) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 01:12:26 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v53so548959pyh.33 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:12:25 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.49.4 with SMTP id b4mr1522712pyk.35.1201223545657; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:12:25 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:12:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80801241712s3002a95dlc8d09b64e7d665b0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:12:25 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <443422.605.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <637570.96268.qm@web34710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <443422.605.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=689prWdVa2G7fGsJI3hxCtKDphXl6q3AztsgTGoWhICEaCB8vEHkhVIa X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 10,000 Watt Non Directional by day, that is. Paul On Jan 24, 2008 7:40 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Tom Suter from KCJJ emailed me and said they are > 10,000 watts non-directional. I had emailed him to > ask him that question last night after posting on > here. I am amazed at their coverage and guys it's a > damn good signal. I was receiving quality fidelity > and it locked onto AM Stereo too. I'd say thats > pretty dang good little station there! > > --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > > --- clemsonbloke > > wrote: > > > > > I received this station tonight here in my > > driveway > > > in > > > the town and country in full AM stereo tonight > > > around > > > 2 am. Anyone know what the power output at night > > is > > > on this station? I live in Greenville, SC and > > that > > > station is in Iowa. It sure locked onto the > > stereo > > > signal and played nicely for me in AM stereo. > > > > > > 1000 watts. > > > > > > Powell > > > > NNNN > > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 24 17:45:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26433 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 01:45:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 01:45:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omp1.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.97.134) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 01:45:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20066 invoked by uid 1000); 25 Jan 2008 00:38:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 56206 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2008 00:37:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bTWR_fcVM1nlyBIqMssg8qLRRKcRpkNT_IhJccBYeI7zI0qSfaGFCGFsQQ1ddu6BgJh84TiaaPSG9OoDW1kHgPqYRtgcijPcGbc894aApU8HYp3G1G6D_3c- X-Received: from [71.15.94.12] by web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:37:35 PST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:37:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <265847.47724.qm@web23014.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.196.97.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=U4KNGMVjN0lf9IUoM3v44XpsVFZtRSmXPODsV-3KP3qjwLicUJ9s X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Vietnam! Damn! Ha thats a torch! --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > KCJJ has phenomenal coverage for reasons I do not > fully understand. At > night, KCJJ only runs 1kW. They run non-directional > into a shorter than 1/4 wave > tower. The area is noted for very high ground > conductivity. However, WHO in > Des Moines enjoys the same high ground conductity > along with a tall modified > Franklin tower with signal protection extending to > World's End. They run 50kW > nondirectional with a 1 km field that could set your > drawers on fire. > > With that said, at 600 miles distance, they both > come in at the same signal > strength. You figure. KOMA in Oklahoma City with > 50kW into a directional > array regularly put a listenable signal into Viet > Nam. > > Mike > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jan 24 19:01:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49119 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 03:01:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 03:01:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 03:01:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 83568 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2008 03:01:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Y5fDU_sVM1logYx1RtGmPAD4nRQG.K6KG8UGruc5x4Nu2xyqDTf6oj67R2FOytzQHzGzcF.6vA-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.183] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:01:50 PST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:01:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <443422.605.qm@web23010.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <394655.74998.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=LPmafsthyUsqc2OtYwqSl5SElWRpEddq9-fQ5FDgWlo X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Tom Suter from KCJJ emailed me and said they are > 10,000 watts non-directional. I had emailed him to > ask him that question last night after posting on > here. I am amazed at their coverage and guys it's a > damn good signal. I was receiving quality fidelity > and it locked onto AM Stereo too. I'd say thats > pretty dang good little station there! They ARE, daytime. If they are cheating and using 10,000 watts at night, I surely wouldn't be admitting it.... LOL! That said, the Augusta GA 1630 is at THE other end of the spectrum. Day coverage on 10,000 watts is VERY poor. At night, on nights with very low skywave conditions the signal is unusable after 15 miles at the very best. I think it was a very poor install, however, and ground conductivity is very poor also. Powell Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jan 24 19:03:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66979 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 03:03:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 03:03:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 03:03:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 79812 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2008 03:03:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eVhrMVwVM1lJtyq0DIUkAfS4el2z1nPbeK5ZIdZkZQiw3VUtMXqwyRsdQoWtrBicgVtTlycXjg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.183] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:03:24 PST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:03:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <348112.36245.qm@web23015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <341246.79441.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} I yanked my Kenwood IBOC tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=MpWXWZpNUXAlBlRg2PstI-enpyI7ttG4RaVomQvOCII X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Yeah but I bet around those generations of receivers > is when they'll decide they want to charge > subscription services! Ugh! They can't on the main [digital] channel. And who would pay for it anyway. Maybe data on the HD3? Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jan 24 19:14:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17054 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 03:14:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 03:14:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.202) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 03:14:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11279 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2008 03:14:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WD4gBZoVM1kNNaqJBLjIFW_Fo60b_JSGVOgkEbDd7w8i5vHG9AO29qIn1w8hOpbkII8ffRRFhM9.0yq1.3KP6sxZzq7_fo1pdjA7Ee.CEfoBh4visD3HmCb7V2OlwQ-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:14:10 PST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:14:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <422251.9961.qm@web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=QAxl49IWo3y45rBu8HyPiS_-UqUnwUrY_Jki9I_AZO53nQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 So 94% must have been safe, eh? WOWO had awesome audio in their Magnavox days, even though I was often listening on a C-QUAM car radio. I used to listen to them from Detroit to Cincinnati, and seldom lost the stereo lock. Ah, those were the days! George --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > wrote: > > > > Yes, but how bad is it? WOWO CE told me they were > > limiting negatives to 94%, didn't seem too bad to > me > > at the time, but I guess these days every % is > money! > > Very bad. Radios lock on carrier. If you cross the > carrier, you could > lose the lock. On some radios, this sounds like > "thumping" or > "fluttering". Then you're talking about additional > noise from the > sideband crossing over. into the other sideband's > realm, producing > unwanted audio. > > You do not want to exceed 98% negative modulation. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jan 24 19:20:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73805 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 03:20:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 03:20:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 03:20:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30639 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2008 03:20:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Bcjd3lwVM1kfOt04RfG1L23lR9YO.acuuxMAU6avNguLR79pFEnSnSplNG3oEHBwwsL643bNsTGqVNzNYdlgCJawD7K2DSY8PQmYXNwuuVIOcmtOfmU- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:20:28 PST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:20:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <402216.29797.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=M0kxDVu0kT625ZzO8qmqYkF3o4Ltg5lmzwzs0AQPnPdRzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 My SRF-42 also is "forced stereo", kinda neat. The dominant station is centered in the stereo image, while the co-channels swirl around, at a speed depending on their carrier frequency difference. This affect has not gone un-noticed by a certain hard-core MW DXer... I am working on a way to use this to advantage, in an external matrix circuit. Even surrounded by mono stations, the old C-QUAM decoder may have a big job to do. BTW, ever listen to an IBOC station in forced stereo? Yuch! Analog in the middle, buzz all around! George --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" > wrote: > > > But, please, excuse my ignorance, Why the receiver > needs a tone to > > be trigged to work into stereo mode? > > To prevent the radio from falsely going stereo on a > non-stereo signal. > > > As I understand, if a C-QUAM tuner is tuned into a > MONO > > transmission, the decoder stage can still "full" > work but, as it > > won't find a phase modulation component > error/difference, it'll be > > forced to stay in mono mode (I'm talking about > according the > > standard Motorola explanation of the C-QUAM > decoding chip), so... > > Why it needs some extra tone? > > > > It's the same with ISB decoders: the "pilot" tone > is absolutely > > unnecessary because the decoder can work with or > without a real > > stereo transmission. > > Yes, the stereo can work without a pilot- The pilot > isn't necessary > for that, but it is necessary to tell the receiver, > "yes, this is a > stereo broadcast", and not have something falsely > trigger the receiver > into stereo.....unless you want a forced-stereo > receiver that's stereo > on the moment of carrier detection, as was the case > for the Sony > SRF-A100 and SRF-A1. A forced-stereo radio goes > stereo on any carrier, > even mono carriers. Great if you want to test the > signal quality of a > given mono broadcast. :) (Of course, you could do > that with an FM/PM > discriminator, too.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jan 24 19:24:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35222 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 03:24:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 03:24:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 03:24:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 95509 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2008 03:24:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HE5j9TEVM1lIx0DlbtJESJ5z4f1_aphR4.gtA6aHZzxVknITiPKWw5NFX4J61b4JXNDty1Qn0OWjdka5jDkGq79UK5zL57JYeS9M7ct4M3QTB1aMbtHqZJG5Coq3fA-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:24:38 PST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:24:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <834716.92173.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=pE-KwFktN3Njhufs0_-4ZX_G9HBrrqIBJfdHm2G87zDrTA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Your guess is right on the money. Unfortunately, most chips count a minimum of five cycles of the 25 Hz. tone before accepting the signal as bona-fide stereo...that's why the slow lock-up, usually 200 mS., longer on a weak signal. I learned long ago to scan the band s-l-o-w-l-y when looking for stereo. George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > As Amy mentioned, the reason for the pilot is to > prevent false triggers. > While convention monaural AM stations may have very > little incidental phase > modulation at the transmitter output, that does not > mean their received signals > were similarly free of phase modulation. > > At night, due to variations in return path length > because of ionosheric > conditions, the ablsolute phase of distant AM > skywave signals changes considerably > which appears to an AM stereo receiver as phase > modulation. The same effect > occurs in groundwave when a moving receiver crosses > through nulls in a > directional station's signal. > > I could be wrong, but my guess is that in absence of > a 25 hertz tone, the AMS > receiver keeps the residual garbage that appears in > quadrature from being > added into the mono signal. > > Mike > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jan 24 19:27:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40318 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 03:27:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 03:27:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 03:27:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21561 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2008 03:27:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: h391NykVM1m.Q5y9FlJlmRVCHguA0wUGQDlWLJRMcNBTCPDqZkKg_L6h5tr3NHhrrb362_BcAFDGx7yy8vl1onUx8GL15supx_1GMFxEmdjKoUd9Cu0- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:27:04 PST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:27:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004901c85ea5$46066c60$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <284069.21287.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=FW1sgNe4BT6PWXPLO0RYRBFgbsEYl4ogKcu8QTFbnv0XDA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Let's see FM or IBOC do THAT! Man, I love real analog AM! G --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > 1000W. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clemsonbloke > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > I received this station tonight here in my > driveway in > the town and country in full AM stereo tonight > around > 2 am. Anyone know what the power output at night > is > on this station? > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From ke7ief@aol.com Thu Jan 24 19:29:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91396 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 03:29:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 03:29:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 03:29:07 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c30.247e401f (34966) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:28:56 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-40-65.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.40.65]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA073-8896479957762a9; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:28:55 -0500 Message-ID: <0AD468E26484475C808CF48D34217FE1@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <402216.29797.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:29:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3264 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3264 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.40.65 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=wYmLILcloCuW1CpuaIL1ir5ESbnvlyUG5E2tove8UGfcVzey9KYw X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can i hear samples of this radio? ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 7:20 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused My SRF-42 also is "forced stereo", kinda neat. The dominant station is centered in the stereo image, while the co-channels swirl around, at a speed depending on their carrier frequency difference. This affect has not gone un-noticed by a certain hard-core MW DXer... I am working on a way to use this to advantage, in an external matrix circuit. Even surrounded by mono stations, the old C-QUAM decoder may have a big job to do. BTW, ever listen to an IBOC station in forced stereo? Yuch! Analog in the middle, buzz all around! George --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" > wrote: > > > But, please, excuse my ignorance, Why the receiver > needs a tone to > > be trigged to work into stereo mode? > > To prevent the radio from falsely going stereo on a > non-stereo signal. > > > As I understand, if a C-QUAM tuner is tuned into a > MONO > > transmission, the decoder stage can still "full" > work but, as it > > won't find a phase modulation component > error/difference, it'll be > > forced to stay in mono mode (I'm talking about > according the > > standard Motorola explanation of the C-QUAM > decoding chip), so... > > Why it needs some extra tone? > > > > It's the same with ISB decoders: the "pilot" tone > is absolutely > > unnecessary because the decoder can work with or > without a real > > stereo transmission. > > Yes, the stereo can work without a pilot- The pilot > isn't necessary > for that, but it is necessary to tell the receiver, > "yes, this is a > stereo broadcast", and not have something falsely > trigger the receiver > into stereo.....unless you want a forced-stereo > receiver that's stereo > on the moment of carrier detection, as was the case > for the Sony > SRF-A100 and SRF-A1. A forced-stereo radio goes > stereo on any carrier, > even mono carriers. Great if you want to test the > signal quality of a > given mono broadcast. :) (Of course, you could do > that with an FM/PM > discriminator, too.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 24 19:38:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84053 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 03:38:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 03:38:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 03:38:06 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ccd.29013db7 (30740) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:37:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:37:55 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=rJdBXF-OGeSTLLRW5TrT37ixHkjOIej0u6xaFRblB7fSUIs9-DKstUVoFV815VA_ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/24/08 7:45:28 PM Central Standard Time, clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk writes: > Vietnam! Damn! Ha thats a torch! > In my younger and more skeptical days, I thought that was just Storz lore. I foolishly bet one of the engineers down at KOMA two racks of Aurthur Bryant Ribs they couldn't provide proof of that claim. They had half a wall full, including about a dozen or so reports from Armed Forces Radio. When I drove down from K.C. to deliver on the bet, I saw their plant. Nothing out of the ordinary. Just three 1/2 wave towers phased to throw everything to the West. Driving back to Kansas City, their mighty 50,000 watt signal disappeared off the car radio dial 30 miles outside of town in the daytime. As for our friends at KCJJ in Iowa City, I hope someone is remembering to turn the power down after sunset. It's hard to believe you can throw that strong a signal in all directions with just a kilowatt and a short tower. Aside from their phenomenal coverage, they have a mighty fine AMS signal. They're prgramming is pretty good too. Mike ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002548) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jan 24 19:38:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20256 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 03:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 03:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 03:38:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 41556 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2008 03:38:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Kht9c3wVM1lkDrtWEwrC1RY4C0nnEJHdwRa54qBMg7OJVBmOHxIvLomjd8Nm7PIPb5nSP_PlTzzpK9nuiqy1qApoONweL22SCpViwCCygRylSbEdpRk- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:38:43 PST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:38:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0AD468E26484475C808CF48D34217FE1@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <43699.16024.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=AP-RtWFE7avM3QovIlSIIrBKpIjuN11S2GuP7FNB7dBG1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Well, if I can get my friend (who owns this computer) to hook a minidisc player to it's audio somehow, I'll get samples of both mono and our last surviving stereo station in the area, CFCO. BTW, that was the only portable or walkman ever to be AMAX certified. On a station like CKLW, that still believes in the NRSC standards, it sounds pretty darn good! Watch Ebay, Hank...I see one every so often, and they go a lot cheaper than the SRF-A100 or A1. --- hank smith wrote: > can i hear samples of this radio? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 7:20 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused > > > My SRF-42 also is "forced stereo", kinda neat. The > dominant station is centered in the stereo image, > while the co-channels swirl around, at a speed > depending on their carrier frequency difference. > This affect has not gone un-noticed by a certain > hard-core MW DXer... > I am working on a way to use this to advantage, in > an > external matrix circuit. Even surrounded by mono > stations, the old C-QUAM decoder may have a big > job to > do. > BTW, ever listen to an IBOC station in forced > stereo? > Yuch! > Analog in the middle, buzz all around! > George > --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > "jotape1960" > > wrote: > > > > > But, please, excuse my ignorance, Why the > receiver > > needs a tone to > > > be trigged to work into stereo mode? > > > > To prevent the radio from falsely going stereo > on a > > non-stereo signal. > > > > > As I understand, if a C-QUAM tuner is tuned > into a > > MONO > > > transmission, the decoder stage can still > "full" > > work but, as it > > > won't find a phase modulation component > > error/difference, it'll be > > > forced to stay in mono mode (I'm talking about > > according the > > > standard Motorola explanation of the C-QUAM > > decoding chip), so... > > > Why it needs some extra tone? > > > > > > It's the same with ISB decoders: the "pilot" > tone > > is absolutely > > > unnecessary because the decoder can work with > or > > without a real > > > stereo transmission. > > > > Yes, the stereo can work without a pilot- The > pilot > > isn't necessary > > for that, but it is necessary to tell the > receiver, > > "yes, this is a > > stereo broadcast", and not have something > falsely > > trigger the receiver > > into stereo.....unless you want a forced-stereo > > receiver that's stereo > > on the moment of carrier detection, as was the > case > > for the Sony > > SRF-A100 and SRF-A1. A forced-stereo radio goes > > stereo on any carrier, > > even mono carriers. Great if you want to test > the > > signal quality of a > > given mono broadcast. :) (Of course, you could > do > > that with an FM/PM > > discriminator, too.) > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jan 24 19:43:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64279 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 03:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 03:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.204) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 03:43:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 99154 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2008 03:43:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ejUTHeUVM1lQXFmeeobz5IZJMwDk31v_RR_5FqkxhFZ0mMU4GS1bBkzgYjZZxwuNGlipSZLeFoD8xxK2tt62NtjgQ2LxMCpaA1G9CJqVwJ1XVEHhoN0- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:43:20 PST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:43:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <605655.60022.qm@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=6OzbHHqjd6FuToPfqj55oOeFilQ7MLJTyy-AiWNinLmHqg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yup, that is pretty darn good delivery for a kW. Almost every night, they are coming in fine in stereo here in Motown. Ditto on the programing, good tunes, and sounds like they take pride in their audio. Now if that would just become contagious! G --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/24/08 7:45:28 PM Central > Standard Time, > clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk writes: > > > > Vietnam! Damn! Ha thats a torch! > > > In my younger and more skeptical days, I thought > that was just Storz lore. I > foolishly bet one of the engineers down at KOMA two > racks of Aurthur Bryant > Ribs they couldn't provide proof of that claim. > They had half a wall full, > including about a dozen or so reports from Armed > Forces Radio. > > When I drove down from K.C. to deliver on the bet, I > saw their plant. > Nothing out of the ordinary. Just three 1/2 wave > towers phased to throw everything > to the West. Driving back to Kansas City, their > mighty 50,000 watt signal > disappeared off the car radio dial 30 miles outside > of town in the daytime. > > As for our friends at KCJJ in Iowa City, I hope > someone is remembering to > turn the power down after sunset. It's hard to > believe you can throw that strong > a signal in all directions with just a kilowatt and > a short tower. > > Aside from their phenomenal coverage, they have a > mighty fine AMS signal. > They're prgramming is pretty good too. > > Mike > > > ************** > Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL > Music. > > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002548) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jan 24 19:45:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71199 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 03:45:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 03:45:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.203) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 03:45:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66976 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2008 03:45:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iDDPpMAVM1mytbscfx3q6P8iW_RvR4ZafSbvf9blGy_S_WK3fVxu_0KrgAXuvkzCL6nyiPlnnknpE9_F4fMKuY6037ynSztAZSPl27nATSZlYYj3MgA- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:45:01 PST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:45:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <64244.64216.qm@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} I yanked my Kenwood IBOC tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=XyJLvvwxsqrXTC4hxseWh-jGvSUQyRUOI5dxHpBz8zOlkA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I'll PAY ya to yank the exciter out of WJR, ha-hah! G --- Bob Welch wrote: > Ladies and Gentlemen, > > As of this past Saturday, I yanked my Kenwood IBOC > tuner bootbox from > the wiring maze behind my dash. The box itself is > too big for me to > actually remove it with my bare hands. > > The reason... It's the dead of winter... and not > even the most > powerful of the regions radio stations' audio will > decode. Not WCBS, > not WFAN, not even... oh my WOR (grins). WBZ won't > decode. My own > station, WDEV, is too wise to participate in this > silliness. > > I went into this with an open mind and the only > station which will > decode is one I barely if ever listen to Vermont > Public Radio. They > stream 3 HD channels the first one being what I'd > get at 107.9 from > Mount Mansfield anyway.. the 2nd is classical.. The > station I work at > has a sister station 101.7 WCVT where I can listen > for that kind of > music. As far as HD-3 is concerned... The BBC World > Service can come > in on my Sirius subscription and at a better sound > quality. Right > next to the program preset I have for The CBC on > Sirius. At one > time, The CBC could be heard right out of Montreal > on CBM-940. That > all sadly moved at around 1998 to FM. > > The last CBC 50-kw station I've ever been able to > hear clearly at > night is putting out its flamethrower at 1070 > sometime in April as > CBA Moncton, New Brunswick has now gone FM at 106.1. > > Another reason why I yanked the IBOC... so many FM > stations from the > very listenable Montreal all have RDS... with the > Kenwood version of > IBOC receiver can't decode. > > As the Les Nessman character in WKRP-in-Cincinatti > used to > say... "..may the good news be yours." > > Bob Welch > Radio Vermont, Inc > WDEV, WDEV-FM, W243AT > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jan 24 20:05:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76527 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 04:05:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 04:05:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 04:05:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6454 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2008 04:05:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: K9Jm_GAVM1nyqd7rMQWkpRuhdl4jCDdHBAqDQ_pI0B76TX4VTGGG_YWVyi8yAHabuy0Xtq.aPQ-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.12] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:05:23 PST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:05:23 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <605655.60022.qm@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <165877.4014.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=rQ4f3UilG3ukpFtKaGHdBKmnOnxyPk0HQpGBQOhZAk4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- george russell wrote: > Yup, that is pretty darn good delivery for a kW. > Almost every night, they are coming in fine in > stereo > here in Motown. Just remember that the high end of the band has some shortwave characteristics. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Jan 25 06:33:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11382 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 14:33:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 14:33:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp112.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (68.142.229.93) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 14:33:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31135 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 14:33:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@75.62.113.117 with login) by smtp112.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 14:33:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lVkoEHEVM1nhwi4y2vJgy46D0gdt1StnZDfjF.zdKBFomNDQAo9S8hclbrod8Uyio._LuK643rWfvksvYFqT2F7RzESON1Fkzs1f2hXtQUGN4tWPDI_pTGJFkQPXYOUcnEKDSJtcVn_TV60- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <002c01c85f5f$41f905f0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <165877.4014.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:33:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080125-2, 01/25/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 68.142.229.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=zcAIRkASMJe2zSWrsZrCnWhMqSYLlT7oJi6EiCO0OetsPzs X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Yup, that is pretty darn good delivery for a kW. > Almost every night, they are coming in fine in > stereo > here in Motown. Before they started licensing stations in the expanded band, radios had been in production for a year, so Dallas/Ft Worth airport had TIS stations on 1630 KHz and 1680 KHz. They each had 65 watts of power (I asked, but never found out how they obtained TIS licenses for 65 watts on those puppies). The had departure info on 1630 and arrival/baggage info on 1680. I live in Central Indiana and posted on the Usenet group in 1995 or 1996 that I could pick them up easily every night. Within days people from all over the US were posting about reception these stations. As they started licensing station on them (they are all 10kw days, 1 kw nights,omni) I could pick up nearly all of them at night. They are all mandated by their license to broadcast in AM Stereo, but the FCC never enforced that. -Jim- From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 06:55:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36470 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 14:55:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 14:55:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n33a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.214) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 14:55:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 14:55:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 14:55:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2008 14:55:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:55:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002c01c85f5f$41f905f0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.33.32 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=8a-nLmI_Ed8IIM2-PxTksKXlIlG7WfznzF6jaE1vjHpLUSFj X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > They are all mandated by their license to broadcast in AM Stereo, but the=20 > FCC never enforced that. No, no mandates- They had AMS PREFERENCES, which allowed them to get their X-band licenses with greater preference. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (who has a QSL card for the station in Vallejo, CA on 1640, before they got their permanent calls, for the day/night BEFORE they started regular programming... :) And at that time, it was classic soul in AMS, well before going to black gospel, then to Catholic... This was the first X-band station west of New Jersey, at that time.) From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 08:08:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1754 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 16:08:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 16:08:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 16:08:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81124 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2008 16:08:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 73x5m4gVM1k2qCXPqwQKc_0_hanOATzMT59q4SSQYDIKzFnUM.NRK6nMefZMTBDp9aqJMB_aT01quZ0mTeai9Ubto701no26G9Q67OP7yNcPLDaHAXxWZ6mRWw-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:08:40 PST Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:08:40 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <365229.74918.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: I yanked my Kenwood IBOC tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=lW0XrwfqGFeIy2Rpdt4ximlmkaQz34cyMdTofPPdup2MdeFd4xM9lDI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio George R said: "...I'll PAY ya to yank the exciter out of WJR, ha-hah! G..." I'm sure that you're talking about the IBOC exciter, which they only run during the day now, of course. Even a 'bad day' of C-Quam on WJR sounded better than a 'good day' of IBOC on WJR! Their IBOC stereo doesn't have much separation, fake-sounding 'highs' and no middle range 'ooomp' anymore. I wish that WJR would at least run C-Quam at night with the 5KHz filter OFF, like WLS does! The only reason I haven't yanked-out my IBOC tuner in the car is that it does do one thing better than my AM stereo radio: I can actually hear a 2nd adjacent AM station that gets IBOC noise on my analog tuner as there must be some sort of an IBOC filter built in. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 11:35:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71581 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 19:35:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 19:35:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.207) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 19:35:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27590 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2008 19:35:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: P0oJiZwVM1kh5rYdb_S8oYzkDHraz4qVlKaKueAqWrj_KZGbWBKE1PJu3QhHqNRGQ_TC8g2L2CieYU9jOxJ3K0wv_BSZ9yOVz5sVEk8UCmHFH8hcLdcWeImSIrAxTg-- X-Received: from [24.192.180.237] by web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:35:16 PST Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:35:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <365229.74918.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <339715.27143.qm@web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I yanked my Kenwood IBOC tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=SmB2iTrbWwy1zooSjBgiILpSRY2XqS1d-EHP-mzSN55tVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yup, they used to do the ballgames in stereo, sounded good. WLS gave me a good scare last summer! I didn't know they were back in stereo at night, and I was listening to them in Lansing while waiting for a swap to open. Half asleep, I suddenly was scrambling to get out of the car, I was SURE a motorcycle had just wiped out nearby... No motorcycle, just one VERY well done stereo commercial! George .. --- "John P." wrote: > George R said: "...I'll PAY ya to yank the exciter > out of WJR, ha-hah! > G..." > > I'm sure that you're talking about the IBOC exciter, > which they only > run during the day now, of course. > Even a 'bad day' of C-Quam on WJR sounded better > than a 'good day' of > IBOC on WJR! Their IBOC stereo doesn't have much > separation, > fake-sounding 'highs' and no middle range 'ooomp' > anymore. I wish that > WJR would at least run C-Quam at night with the 5KHz > filter OFF, like > WLS does! > > The only reason I haven't yanked-out my IBOC tuner > in the car is that > it does do one thing better than my AM stereo radio: > I can actually > hear a 2nd adjacent AM station that gets IBOC noise > on my analog tuner > as there must be some sort of an IBOC filter built > in. > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 12:22:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49863 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 20:22:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 20:22:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 20:22:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 39539 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2008 20:22:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8yeBRaYVM1mfEirJdu.IkO1x42qNkmxnFSLh4LGTBGeKH2TFQfCid3r1BbjSoVLuHg-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:22:38 PST Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:22:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002c01c85f5f$41f905f0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <267459.38808.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: I'm live on WKDK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=XHZsW3AtWzOUGbNvLuGDNgyzuxr1B3F6kVayHoPhHs8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Until 5 PM EST. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jan 25 14:27:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2303 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2008 22:27:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2008 22:27:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2008 22:27:16 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.230] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080125162644000463000003> for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:26:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00fd01c85fa2$09a04c20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:26:44 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=W2p_NwJ5zRJsxTlZ37EIi2fGoNJQ7zgrShBYFsJ1kx725QVs3l62 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where did you get that idea? They're running into one tower of an old five tower array cut for 1580 so it should be slightly more than 1/4wave. Been there, seen the setup. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com KCJJ has phenomenal coverage for reasons I do not fully understand. At night, KCJJ only runs 1kW. They run non-directional into a shorter than 1/4 wave tower. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jan 25 17:42:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77510 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2008 01:42:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2008 01:42:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2008 01:42:06 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cd7.2518b10c (37058) for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:41:52 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-md02 (webmail-md02.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.140]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB044-90c2479a8fe030b; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:41:52 -0500 References: <00fd01c85fa2$09a04c20$d503fea9@stodd> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:41:52 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <00fd01c85fa2$09a04c20$d503fea9@stodd> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-md02.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.140) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:41:52 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA2DD3C270DAA1-E08-22F1@webmail-md02.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ULFkBtnOn1Grvajfaz7JQt6kMaqWVrYEn-Al6keEh7SAjdskcREtkgYI0cN9A6GS X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where did you get that idea? Their FCC file and antenna structure registration.? 83.5 degrees electrical length. The 1580 array must have been alot shorter that 90 degrees.? I wonder it they are using the ground systems of all the towers?? Is there anything unusual about the sight?? Saltwater marsh?? An alien technological device interposed between the transmitter and tower?? Remains of animal sacrifices at the base of the tower? Whatever they're doing, they're doing it right.? There should be an award for stations like KCJJ.? Thank goodness they're in a small market.? Otherwise they would have been assimilated into the Cheap Channel or Infamy Broadcasting collectives and gutted. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Fri Jan 25 19:32:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89485 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2008 03:32:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2008 03:32:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2008 03:32:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2008 03:32:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2008 03:32:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 03:32:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <339715.27143.qm@web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: I yanked my Kenwood IBOC tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=K_WszTcl5F1R8oopYbnUC5aqvZQjZ8lId18zoaBnuNs91QML9Cqp X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 One of those moments we all dream about... the level number one=20 commercial production. Of course to me... I work at a mono=20 station... so when I hear a station from Montreal on FM... I'm awed=20 by any level of stereo separation. Ironically, I used to hear that=20 kind of stuff on WVPS (107.9) Burlington from Mt Mansfield before=20 they narrowed their analog bandwidth.. kept the stereo pilot light on=20 and ran IBOC on the frequency. That said... you'd think that most critical of listener... the=20 classical music listener... would go ape over Vermont Public having=20 done something like that. Bizzare, I haven't heard much. Bob --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > Yup, they used to do the ballgames in stereo, sounded > good. > WLS gave me a good scare last summer! I didn't know > they were back in stereo at night, and I was listening > to them in Lansing while waiting for a swap to open.=20 > Half asleep, I suddenly was scrambling to get out of > the car, I was SURE a motorcycle had just wiped out > nearby... > No motorcycle, just one VERY well done stereo > commercial! > George=20=20 > .. > --- "John P." wrote: >=20 > > George R said: "...I'll PAY ya to yank the exciter > > out of WJR, ha-hah! > > G..." > >=20 > > I'm sure that you're talking about the IBOC exciter, > > which they only > > run during the day now, of course. > > Even a 'bad day' of C-Quam on WJR sounded better > > than a 'good day' of > > IBOC on WJR! Their IBOC stereo doesn't have much > > separation, > > fake-sounding 'highs' and no middle range 'ooomp' > > anymore. I wish that > > WJR would at least run C-Quam at night with the 5KHz > > filter OFF, like > > WLS does! > >=20 > > The only reason I haven't yanked-out my IBOC tuner > > in the car is that > > it does do one thing better than my AM stereo radio: > > I can actually > > hear a 2nd adjacent AM station that gets IBOC noise > > on my analog tuner > > as there must be some sort of an IBOC filter built > > in. > >=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > >=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and=20 > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.=20 > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=3DAhu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and=20 > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.=20=20 http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=3DAhu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 20:01:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14084 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2008 04:01:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2008 04:01:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.164) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2008 04:01:55 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2008 04:01:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2008 04:01:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2008 04:01:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 04:01:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.4 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=MaN_Lwjmvo1nNylFYFhGcs6NMRKBnpvCNiLmNHghFDYGgR7Nxg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > As Amy mentioned, the reason for the pilot is to prevent false=20 triggers.=20=20 > While convention monaural AM stations may have very little=20 incidental phase=20 > modulation at the transmitter output, that does not mean their=20 received signals=20 > were similarly free of phase modulation. >=20 > At night, due to variations in return path length because of=20 ionosheric=20 > conditions, the ablsolute phase of distant AM skywave signals=20 changes considerably=20 > which appears to an AM stereo receiver as phase modulation. The=20 same effect=20 > occurs in groundwave when a moving receiver crosses through nulls=20 in a=20 > directional station's signal. >=20 > I could be wrong, but my guess is that in absence of a 25 hertz=20 tone, the AMS=20 > receiver keeps the residual garbage that appears in quadrature=20 from being=20 > added into the mono signal. >=20 > Mike=20 >=20 >=20 You're so right, dear friend!!! This was my point: the Motorola C-QUAM system is bad, so bad, from=20 the genesis because it uses a wrong technologic trick (phase=20 modulation) into a very aggressive media to the phase modulation=20 system (the atmospheric space)!!! On the other hand, ISB takes advantage from it because the carrier=20 only serves as a "referrence point" to the user; the decoding stage=20 doesn't need any carrier!!! So, most of the phasing and/or long path=20 problems don't become a serious problem itself (there is always some=20 audio distortion problem with the very long distance performance at=20 all, but it's out of the human control). I know all the Kahn enemies will want to kill me about the before=20 paragraph because ISB has a carrier and it is used into=20 any "dreamed" ISB receiver. But I want to explain why I said the=20 decoder doesn't need the carrier: ISB means, basically, two=20 separated and absolutely independent sidebands. In other words, it's=20 the same as if we have two SSB TX working in the same basic=20 frecuency (the only one difference with the "standard" ISB system=20 is... the carrier!!!). Now, if ISB means two SSB, and all of us know=20 the basis about SSB, in other words: NO CARRIER, what's happening=20 with the carrier in the ISB receiver? The two sidebands recovering=20 stages (two balanced modulators working as product detectors) "throw=20 out" the carrier (the specific work of a product detector is... to=20 eliminate the carrier!!!). So, the next stage in the RX just works=20 with... the audio from the sidebands. In other words, it's just a=20 basic AM decoder but... with Independent SideBands!!! I discovered=20 the wheel!!! hehehe!!! So, I can say the ISB receiver doesn't need=20 the carrier itself, even I know it isn't exactly that way. In a pure ISB receiver, it doesn't matter about the false stereo=20 situation because if you're in a false stereo triggering, and you're=20 so far from the TX, the only one problem you'd have would be the=20 different background noise into the left and right audio channel=20 (due to the probably different band background noise in the LSB and=20 USB frecuencies). But, I can't see it as a problem itself because=20 our ears are accustomed to hear different background noise from the=20 left and right side of our head, so... I think it as a "natural"=20 situation. Unfortunately, we're in 2008 now. The FCC dug the Kahn idea in 1984=20 so... we only have C-QUAM, now. Well, it's stereo... AT LEAST!!! Somebody said, time ago, "However, it moves." I say: "We have C-QUAM, now. However, ISB is better." GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 20:07:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19592 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2008 04:07:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2008 04:07:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2008 04:07:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2008 04:07:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2008 04:07:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 04:07:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.26 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=YpIOIeZFfYrgt5p1rMELK6L7ZTkuJycAdpaiLLi_qOC1JT7stQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > As Amy mentioned, the reason for the pilot is to prevent false=20 triggers.=20=20 > While convention monaural AM stations may have very little=20 incidental phase=20 > modulation at the transmitter output, that does not mean their=20 received signals=20 > were similarly free of phase modulation. >=20 > At night, due to variations in return path length because of=20 ionosheric=20 > conditions, the ablsolute phase of distant AM skywave signals=20 changes considerably=20 > which appears to an AM stereo receiver as phase modulation. The=20 same effect=20 > occurs in groundwave when a moving receiver crosses through nulls=20 in a=20 > directional station's signal. >=20 > I could be wrong, but my guess is that in absence of a 25 hertz=20 tone, the AMS=20 > receiver keeps the residual garbage that appears in quadrature=20 from being=20 > added into the mono signal. >=20 > Mike=20 >=20 >=20 You're so right, dear friend!!! This was my point: the Motorola C-QUAM system is bad, so bad, from=20 the genesis because it uses a wrong technologic trick (phase=20 modulation) into a very aggressive media to the phase modulation=20 system (the atmospheric space)!!! On the other hand, ISB takes advantage from it because the carrier=20 only serves as a "referrence point" to the user; the decoding stage=20 doesn't need any carrier!!! So, most of the phasing and/or long path=20 problems don't become a serious problem itself (there is always some=20 audio distortion problem with the very long distance performance at=20 all, but it's out of the human control). I know all the Kahn enemies will want to kill me about the before=20 paragraph because ISB has a carrier and it is used into=20 any "dreamed" ISB receiver. But I want to explain why I said the=20 decoder doesn't need the carrier: ISB means, basically, two=20 separated and absolutely independent sidebands. In other words, it's=20 the same as if we have two SSB TX working in the same basic=20 frecuency (the only one difference with the "standard" ISB system=20 is... the carrier!!!). Now, if ISB means two SSB, and all of us know=20 the basis about SSB, in other words: NO CARRIER, what's happening=20 with the carrier in the ISB receiver? The two sidebands recovering=20 stages (two balanced modulators working as product detectors) "throw=20 out" the carrier (the specific work of a product detector is... to=20 eliminate the carrier!!!). So, the next stage in the RX just works=20 with... the audio from the sidebands. In other words, it's just a=20 basic AM decoder but... with Independent SideBands!!! I discovered=20 the wheel!!! hehehe!!! So, I can say the ISB receiver doesn't need=20 the carrier itself, even I know it isn't exactly that way. In a pure ISB receiver, it doesn't matter about the false stereo=20 situation because if you're in a false stereo triggering, and you're=20 so far from the TX, the only one problem you'd have would be the=20 different background noise into the left and right audio channel=20 (due to the probably different band background noise in the LSB and=20 USB frecuencies). But, I can't see it as a problem itself because=20 our ears are accustomed to hear different background noise from the=20 left and right side of our head, so... I think it is a "natural"=20 situation. Unfortunately, we're in 2008 now. The FCC dug the Kahn idea in 1984=20 so... we only have C-QUAM, now. Well, it's stereo... AT LEAST!!! Somebody said, time ago, "However, it moves." I say: "We have C-QUAM, now. However, ISB is better." GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jan 25 20:42:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77829 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2008 04:42:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2008 04:42:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2008 04:42:26 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c1d.2f23aeca (42805) for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:42:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:42:24 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=RMgfG5c6rPHXOUkIj3tqBznVAKsYGMJqkGaF9LWD0SI107KjPbewt9RO0jzQovQH X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a dumb question. Does Motorola (or anyone else) hold a licensible patent on CQUAM? That is, if someone builts a CQUAM receiver or transmitter do they have to pay a royalty to Motorola? In so, how can a FCC mandatory standard be licensed to a private corporation? Here is another dumb question: Is there a market for a reasonably priced FCC certified high quality DSP AMS Part 15 transmitter? Mike ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002 548) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 00:32:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14855 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2008 08:32:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2008 08:32:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2008 08:32:11 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2008 08:32:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2008 08:32:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:32:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.23.147 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=qaujHTwkyjBDrCIR0WAkWU8of1XbDFVod5f0IYk7HbiSXtQM X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Here's a dumb question. Does Motorola (or anyone else) hold a licensible=20 > patent on CQUAM? That is, if someone builts a CQUAM receiver or transmitter do=20 > they have to pay a royalty to Motorola? In so, how can a FCC mandatory=20 > standard be licensed to a private corporation? Motorola has several patents regarding C-QUAM (something like 20+)- All but a couple have expired. Motorola does, however, have a still-active trademark for C-QUAM, but I believe their policy still says they waive all royalty fees. =20 > Here is another dumb question: Is there a market for a reasonably priced FCC=20 > certified high quality DSP AMS Part 15 transmitter? Dunno. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Jan 26 09:52:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35099 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2008 17:52:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2008 17:52:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao105.cox.net) (68.230.241.41) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2008 17:52:15 -0000 X-Received: from fed1rmimpo03.cox.net ([70.169.32.75]) by fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080126175214.CRNG9710.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:52:14 -0500 X-Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id htrL1Y0031sYu840000000; Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:51:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <47397CB2-E528-43BA-BD5E-1041F0F63C02@cox.net> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:52:14 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=CY5nbf9uJ7CmtzWOV5hCaEOvYJJ-xNNcTveRmiVrUU_90H0X-gln7rOBzAPI X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, it wasn't. It worked (and still works) well. Modern varients work even better. The real problem with C-Quam compared with Kahn is that Kahn wanted radios carrying his system to have good fidelity as well. Motorola didn't care. So the vast majority of AM stereo radios, from the Radio Shack model some people on this list like to RS and Kraco car stereos sounded like crap: narrowband AM but in stereo. THAT is the single reason AM stereo failed. For most people it didn't sound any better than regular AM. Richard Wagoner On Jan 25, 2008, at 8:01 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > > This was my point: the Motorola C-QUAM system is bad, so bad, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jan 27 10:43:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30289 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2008 18:43:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2008 18:43:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2008 18:43:01 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.127] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080127124236002991800003> for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:42:36 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001001c86115$10beb400$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <00fd01c85fa2$09a04c20$d503fea9@stodd> <8CA2DD3C270DAA1-E08-22F1@webmail-md02.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:42:36 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ChABV5k86GGFPGGb69syUIsqMsXyyFZC8CVC6fomooIIj24DCR4l X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope. It's all pretty conventional. It's on a flat piece of land and didn't see any evidence of cattails, though it was late Feb./early March, IIRC. Must be that rich farm land. I was there back in 2000 with Chris Cuff. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I wonder it they are using the ground systems of all the towers?? Is there anything unusual about the sight?? --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jan 27 11:05:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97907 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2008 19:05:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2008 19:05:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2008 19:05:12 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.127] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080127130434000170300003> for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:04:34 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006401c86118$22da4b60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <00fd01c85fa2$09a04c20$d503fea9@stodd> <8CA2DD3C270DAA1-E08-22F1@webmail-md02.sysops.aol.com> <001001c86115$10beb400$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:04:34 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=L_-fPzWkDyaV7Eihvz0iiMFXeNQPoGhtQyn9v35kHMZJapgz7kNh X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I should add perhaps it does use all the ground systems as in any directional they are all connected, but there's nothing otherwise unusual about the setup. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 12:43 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ Nope. It's all pretty conventional. It's on a flat piece of land and didn't see any evidence of cattails, though it was late Feb./early March, IIRC. Must be that rich farm land. I was there back in 2000 with Chris Cuff. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I wonder it they are using the ground systems of all the towers?? Is there anything unusual about the sight?? --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1241 - Release Date: 1/24/08 9:58 AM --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jan 27 18:50:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61874 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2008 02:50:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2008 02:50:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2008 02:50:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d45.1ee44892 (39955) for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:49:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:49:48 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=woHPPnrkvNyiMcq93tX3uPhM1ctgUOH7M71lL-3m4rBuw162O6mOWIkXpnzytCX- X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/27/08 1:05:27 PM Central Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > I should add perhaps it does use all the ground systems as in any > directional they are all connected, but there's nothing otherwise unusual about the > setup. > > Scott > I didn't know if they were going through the old station's phasing cabinet or just salvaged on of the existing towers, running a new feedline directly to the tower they wanted to use. As you know, in a directional station, all the grounds are commoned through the feedlines at the phaser. There are quite a number of stations in the extended broadcast band with the same power and even taller towers that don't have the nightime reach that KCJJ has. As most of KCJJ's sponsors seem to be small local businesses, I wonder if their wide nightime coverage brings in any extra revenue. Not too many people would travel 500 miles to get their dry cleaning done or pick-up a pizza. I remember a Harley Davidson dealer in Tennessee would advertise on WLS in the old days. At night, of course. Mike ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Mon Jan 28 09:46:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27280 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2008 17:46:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2008 17:46:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp106.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (68.142.229.99) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2008 17:46:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38625 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2008 17:46:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@76.251.81.246 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2008 17:46:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aLK7qTgVM1lu6dARPnhBPO8Bc7uhe7aim7MBxxmyGajDnhG3E4_b1IW0tU3m6CB0XqZwdvyeUA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <00ff01c861d5$bcb4c130$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:46:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080127-1, 01/27/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 68.142.229.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=1FLkN69RKclrxj3ll4_CPsPtHCTrg0vii73Iyrk6BpnkVd4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Mike wrote: > I remember a Harley Davidson dealer in Tennessee would advertise on WLS in > the old days. At night, of course. I remember that too Mike, but WLS's skywave is nearly perfect in Tennessee at night. WLS covers the entire state like a local most of the time, in much the same way WLAC covers Indiana at night. WSM doesn't cover Indiana quite so well, because they are on a very low frequency, and the higher AM frequencies tend to propagate better at night... Plus WLCA has a couple of nulls, concentrating more power in their 3 main lobes (one of which is pointed right at Indiana. I'd guess that guy sold a ton of Harley's from those ads on WLS. There was a record shop that advertised on WLAC in the late 50's and early 70's, my (much older) sister and her husband frequently drove to Nashville (a 4 1.2 hour drive) to visit this guy's record shop. -Jim- From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 15:43:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46301 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2008 23:43:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2008 23:43:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.158) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2008 23:43:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27717 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jan 2008 23:43:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8vIYe3AVM1nd2tmH23oTZ2zUyL_TxBHz9rT985__E56Kl8_PVW8cAObUzAa2RZpWeuQBEr6R7Hwq2TVzxczOABpOY1hD0LzPWpfO8.f.KXkb6T7enBD42MZo3w-- X-Received: from [72.241.129.52] by web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:43:16 PST Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:43:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <120251.23300.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=HpRVhB4Wgp9kb_8kDIizklc1Eg3hnAjgpheju_XMi7GxohHiTZzT0Us X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio KCJJ has da bomb ground conductivity, cause "that's where the tall corn grows"! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Jan 29 18:02:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46426 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2008 02:02:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2008 02:02:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2008 02:02:39 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.22.98] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080129200227001508700003> for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:02:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002701c862e4$dd528f20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:02:27 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=uTh234BK0z0RIZZGsVEwurcz7r0nJO6-nnPY8ZQNMWeLBeMxZ7QU X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The station was dark when it was purchased by the current owner. He got it at a time when the FCC had opened up applications for the expanded band. Originally he wanted just the EB license, but was told he had to get the old 1580 frequency reactivated at least temporarily. The station had been a five tower directional, but he was using only two towers- one for 1580 (KCJK, now deleted) and another was being fed 1630. The rest were left disconnected. Don't know if the extra towers are still standing, though if they are it wouldn't be too difficult to take them down with a large crane and dissasemble them on the ground. 1580 had a dilapidated old Gates Vanguard-II transmitter. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I didn't know if they were going through the old station's phasing cabinet or just salvaged on of the existing towers, running a new feedline directly to the tower they wanted to use. As you know, in a directional station, all the grounds are commoned through the feedlines at the phaser. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Jan 29 18:09:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25554 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2008 02:09:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2008 02:09:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.183) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2008 02:09:38 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id w49so98704pyg.36 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:09:38 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.42.18 with SMTP id u18mr156115pyj.58.1201658977945; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:09:37 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:09:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80801291809y4606cf8dvd260730f0a61197f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:09:37 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002701c862e4$dd528f20$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002701c862e4$dd528f20$d503fea9@stodd> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=IF0zvYO_c9SXL6DyYn8DrwBfgu-SBXUO3j9Te3u0Zgl32mBn5Apm56tp X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought KCJK was 1560, guess Im confused.. lol Paul On Jan 29, 2008 9:02 PM, wrote: > The station was dark when it was purchased by the current owner. He got > it at a time when the FCC had opened up applications for the expanded band. > Originally he wanted just the EB license, but was told he had to get the old > 1580 frequency reactivated at least temporarily. The station had been a five > tower directional, but he was using only two towers- one for 1580 (KCJK, now > deleted) and another was being fed 1630. The rest were left disconnected. > Don't know if the extra towers are still standing, though if they are it > wouldn't be too difficult to take them down with a large crane and > dissasemble them on the ground. 1580 had a dilapidated old Gates Vanguard-II > transmitter. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mjgrant@aol.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > I didn't know if they were going through the old station's phasing cabinet > or > just salvaged on of the existing towers, running a new feedline directly > to > the tower they wanted to use. As you know, in a directional station, all > the > grounds are commoned through the feedlines at the phaser. > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - > $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 21:58:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70808 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2008 05:58:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2008 05:58:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.78) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2008 05:58:00 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2008 05:57:59 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2008 05:57:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2008 05:57:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:57:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00fd01c85fa2$09a04c20$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.239.225.169 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=waT7mWRVdsOhMJSdsyMvUgGpWT2vqFQ9-m68HE5z4DW2jQZRbw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > Where did you get that idea? They're running into one tower of an > old five tower array cut for 1580 so it should be slightly more > than 1/4wave. Been there, seen the setup. >=20 > Scott Todd The original KCJJ was 1560 kHz directional. From what I've heard,=20 the station was dark at the time the new KCJJ on 1630 kHz was built. After 1630 KCJJ got on the air, they brought 1560 back to life as=20 KCJK for a few years as a KCJJ simulcast, but I believe they dropped=20 it down to something like a 250-watt non-directional signal, and I'm=20 pretty sure 1560 was always a daytimer. Eventually they took 1560=20 off the air again and turned in the license. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Jan 29 22:03:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8057 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2008 06:03:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2008 06:03:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.179) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2008 06:03:03 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x19so135624pyg.24 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:03:03 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.41.12 with SMTP id t12mr431196pyj.0.1201672983719; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:03:03 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:03:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80801292203i6d4422b7h6664c97f97699335@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:03:03 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <00fd01c85fa2$09a04c20$d503fea9@stodd> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=MUZNU8BINWGNFAe5V9kULKAbPNRRllebCX5UyOqJUJNWhRt_GSwZhrW7 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, I thought KCJK was on 1560. And Yeah, it was a daytimer at the end of its life.. Im thinking 1KW Non Directional... but i could be wrong. On Jan 30, 2008 12:57 AM, Kevin T. wrote: > > Where did you get that idea? They're running into one tower of an > > old five tower array cut for 1580 so it should be slightly more > > than 1/4wave. Been there, seen the setup. > > > > Scott Todd > > The original KCJJ was 1560 kHz directional. From what I've heard, > the station was dark at the time the new KCJJ on 1630 kHz was built. > After 1630 KCJJ got on the air, they brought 1560 back to life as > KCJK for a few years as a KCJJ simulcast, but I believe they dropped > it down to something like a 250-watt non-directional signal, and I'm > pretty sure 1560 was always a daytimer. Eventually they took 1560 > off the air again and turned in the license. > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jan 29 22:33:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89721 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2008 06:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2008 06:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2008 06:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d45.1f2eadbd (37168) for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:33:22 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MC10 (webmail-mc10.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.87]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA047-913047a01a3227; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:33:22 -0500 References: <120251.23300.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:33:22 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 70.245.209.126 In-Reply-To: <120251.23300.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 70.245.209.126 by WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.87) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:33:22 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA3121251BB9BC-350-239A@WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=90Fd7VxVmGohZSNsQwxzNc1G4M2DxmzNelxOAx4gOA7YHFEw0vHLvmffPuG0XN2_ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KCJJ has da bomb ground conductivity, cause "that's where the tall corn grows"! The corn grows?tall in the rich river bottom?land on the Illinois side where most of the AM stations here in St. Louis have their transmitters.? They don't get out the way KCJJ does. I think you guys hit the nail on the head.??It is?soil conductivity and the corn.? What really happened to that directional station and its staff?? Maybe that high soil conductivity comes from?being saturated with a highly conductive saline?iron rich fluid?like say, emmmm, human blood! Scott, did you ever get to see the station's GM or did the people who worked there merely refer to him as He Who Walks Behind the Rows (of Towers)?? Were there alot of really creepy looking kids hanging around with? sickles?? Maybe Chris Cuff made a return visit to KCJJ and didn't?make it ?back.? Lord knows he doesn't answer his email anymore. If KCJJ petitions to have it's call changed to KORN and joins the Disney Children Network, I wouldn't be doing in any tower tours in Iowa City if I were you.? In the meanwhile, I'm going to be looking at their signal on the scope?for?satanic messages?hidden in that seemingly perfect AMS?signal. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Jan 29 22:51:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35911 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2008 06:51:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2008 06:51:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.179) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2008 06:51:36 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so172252pyb.6 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:51:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.33.5 with SMTP id l5mr449224pyj.30.1201675895919; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:51:35 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:51:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80801292251l210cb2f1m49938994a4c2d4ae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:51:35 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA3121251BB9BC-350-239A@WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <120251.23300.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CA3121251BB9BC-350-239A@WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=fkT3-F4MmYv3Ivfqn1hBQCDbUtCIWr1H6brgYCWxacAx-bxd9GXR-9bq X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1490 AM in Mitchel South Dakota which is Owned by Sorenson Broadcasting and operated by Waitt Media/NRG Broadcasting already has the KORN call letters. Sorry ;) On Jan 30, 2008 1:33 AM, wrote: > > > KCJJ has da bomb ground conductivity, cause "that's where the tall corn > grows"! > > The corn grows?tall in the rich river bottom?land on the Illinois side > where most of the AM stations here in St. Louis have their transmitters.? > They don't get out the way KCJJ does. > > I think you guys hit the nail on the head.??It is?soil conductivity and > the corn.? What really happened to that directional station and its staff?? > Maybe that high soil conductivity comes from?being saturated with a highly > conductive saline?iron rich fluid?like say, emmmm, human blood! > > Scott, did you ever get to see the station's GM or did the people who > worked there merely refer to him as He Who Walks Behind the Rows (of > Towers)?? Were there alot of really creepy looking kids hanging around with? > sickles?? Maybe Chris Cuff made a return visit to KCJJ and didn't?make it > ?back.? Lord knows he doesn't answer his email anymore. > > If KCJJ petitions to have it's call changed to KORN and joins the Disney > Children Network, I wouldn't be doing in any tower tours in Iowa City if I > were you.? In the meanwhile, I'm going to be looking at their signal on the > scope?for?satanic messages?hidden in that seemingly perfect AMS?signal. > > Mike > > __________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Jan 30 03:55:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90750 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2008 11:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2008 11:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.227) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2008 11:55:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66701 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2008 11:55:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FMDA_DMVM1nqxlV_S2.wvOBmPxJbCBYQN5SWmC99QyQ7MV4eFKpxW9qQhWwk2hypC7j6DOjwAtclE7jD2PLArUTxf2q9EySyrwNGV0vJ7x3178sUYzMGJtuiVCNP4Zq7WKbcnB.EdkRmdeQ- X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:55:20 PST Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:55:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA3121251BB9BC-350-239A@WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <344336.64814.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=7rNKefawSucV9g2rkfZXictcSFZc0K4t_sCwQn7W6QJeJSFkqBC1 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No more Cheeba for you! mjgrant@aol.com wrote: KCJJ has da bomb ground conductivity, cause "that's where the tall corn grows"! The corn grows?tall in the rich river bottom?land on the Illinois side where most of the AM stations here in St. Louis have their transmitters.? They don't get out the way KCJJ does. I think you guys hit the nail on the head.??It is?soil conductivity and the corn.? What really happened to that directional station and its staff?? Maybe that high soil conductivity comes from?being saturated with a highly conductive saline?iron rich fluid?like say, emmmm, human blood! Scott, did you ever get to see the station's GM or did the people who worked there merely refer to him as He Who Walks Behind the Rows (of Towers)?? Were there alot of really creepy looking kids hanging around with? sickles?? Maybe Chris Cuff made a return visit to KCJJ and didn't?make it ?back.? Lord knows he doesn't answer his email anymore. If KCJJ petitions to have it's call changed to KORN and joins the Disney Children Network, I wouldn't be doing in any tower tours in Iowa City if I were you.? In the meanwhile, I'm going to be looking at their signal on the scope?for?satanic messages?hidden in that seemingly perfect AMS?signal. Mike __________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jan 30 08:43:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52271 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2008 16:43:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2008 16:43:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2008 16:43:04 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c7d.207d3280 (37118) for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:42:28 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from WEBMAIL-DC03 (webmail-dc03.webmail.aol.com [205.188.149.25]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA014-90fe47a0a8f3348; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:42:27 -0500 References: <120251.23300.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CA3121251BB9BC-350-239A@WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com> <8bce0fe80801292251l210cb2f1m49938994a4c2d4ae@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:42:27 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 70.245.209.126 In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80801292251l210cb2f1m49938994a4c2d4ae@mail.gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 70.245.209.126 by WEBMAIL-DC03.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.25) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:42:27 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA31763BC2630B-9D4-2AF@WEBMAIL-DC03.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=nwo-AY7vvuOjQfJ_d2O-ETdtWYAzuGb_CY1Uz7-UhoZudtxpfIXI_kM7sw4OUEm0 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1490 AM in Mitchel South Dakota which is Owned by Sorenson Broadcasting and operated by Waitt Media/NRG Broadcasting already has the KORN call letters Wasn't that where the Children of the Corn was filmed?? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:51 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1630 The Mighty KCJJ 1490 AM in Mitchel South Dakota which is Owned by Sorenson Broadcasting and operated by Waitt Media/NRG Broadcasting already has the KORN call letters. Sorry ;) On Jan 30, 2008 1:33 AM, wrote: > > > KCJJ has da bomb ground conductivity, cause "that's where the tall corn > grows"! > > The corn grows?tall in the rich river bottom?land on the Illinois side > where most of the AM stations here in St. Louis have their transmitters.? > They don't get out the way KCJJ does. > > I think you guys hit the nail on the head.??It is?soil conductivity and > the corn.? What really happened to that directional station and its staff?? > Maybe that high soil conductivity comes from?being saturated with a highly > conductive saline?iron rich fluid?like say, emmmm, human blood! > > Scott, did you ever get to see the station's GM or did the people who > worked there merely refer to him as He Who Walks Behind the Rows (of > Towers)?? Were there alot of really creepy looking kids hanging around with? > sickles?? Maybe Chris Cuff made a return visit to KCJJ and didn't?make it > ?back.? Lord knows he doesn't answer his email anymore. > > If KCJJ petitions to have it's call changed to KORN and joins the Disney > Children Network, I wouldn't be doing in any tower tours in Iowa City if I > were you.? In the meanwhile, I'm going to be looking at their signal on the > scope?for?satanic messages?hidden in that seemingly perfect AMS?signal. > > Mike > > __________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Jan 30 16:39:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17410 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2008 00:39:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2008 00:39:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp105.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (68.142.229.100) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2008 00:39:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11703 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2008 00:39:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@76.251.83.191 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2008 00:39:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Dg0i7fgVM1nvWxfn0eUlGqzlcMhVS9yL_vGA87yILWwvMuQcL0oxrA60MQ7bGyXQ_BxWV7utIt1xRMaPPVHq.Ymc3DHt470JOT_IM_URZI2F65byD.l9TJJVzLpqIkphDWuYGKj_XLmFlmU- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001e01c863a1$bf19c240$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <120251.23300.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CA3121251BB9BC-350-239A@WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com> <8bce0fe80801292251l210cb2f1m49938994a4c2d4ae@mail.gmail.com> <8CA31763BC2630B-9D4-2AF@WEBMAIL-DC03.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:39:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080130-1, 01/30/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 68.142.229.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=ItIYHa0q6My8MXUmtTkfMbGIPd1owfCFG_Z6WMYaOwOl8AY X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 Even though this thread has been going on for several days, I haven't even thought about checking for KCJJ here in central Indiana. I checked it this evening and they are booming in here tonight. This is amazing for a 1,000 watt station on a tower that is electrically ineffecient. They must have one heck-of-a ground system. It is stronger than WHO... go figure. -Jim- From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Jan 30 17:37:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12053 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2008 01:37:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2008 01:37:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.207) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2008 01:37:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14905 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2008 01:37:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZOA_EfMVM1kJd5NSVBWluJ2C8i_lD98SOLfJvtQOpemIWzISHC60vB_ZaalE89WKdO.MS8IKdH8MqexFfyJqzK.ISTwI3n_OBX86G094GkqePbsILaqgXxmzjaDWXA-- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:37:21 PST Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:37:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001e01c863a1$bf19c240$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <865593.6612.qm@web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=UXhtL1oO8kvgXUMRHn9xqfbNGx3HN-BdgHyUSpKM-EQt_w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I wonder if maybe there is a large underground body of water in that area? Maybe really high mineral deposits? Also, has anybody checked with the CE to confirm that they are indeed 1 kW.? I regularly DX 5 kW. stations at far less distance, and with far weaker results! Not sure how far from them to here (Detroit area), but almost every night they are in steady C-QUAM, usually with fine audio. (receiver is '95 Dodge van radio, and in mono on a cheap portable in the basement!) George --- Jim Burgan wrote: > Even though this thread has been going on for > several days, I haven't even > thought about checking for KCJJ here in central > Indiana. > I checked it this evening and they are booming in > here tonight. > This is amazing for a 1,000 watt station on a tower > that is electrically > ineffecient. > They must have one heck-of-a ground system. > It is stronger than WHO... go figure. > -Jim- > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Jan 30 18:00:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63503 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2008 02:00:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2008 02:00:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2008 02:00:36 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.141] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080130195654000980200003> for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:56:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <007a01c863ad$42b04740$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <120251.23300.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CA3121251BB9BC-350-239A@WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com> <8bce0fe80801292251l210cb2f1m49938994a4c2d4ae@mail.gmail.com> <8CA31763BC2630B-9D4-2AF@WEBMAIL-DC03.sysops.aol.com> <001e01c863a1$bf19c240$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:56:54 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=bk9_Nt4OSBeDdMI5xrqHznGJQVB1ULG3TfhUUYpP_8jtJuEh3JAl X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I rarely get a good signal up here anymore. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Burgan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Even though this thread has been going on for several days, I haven't even thought about checking for KCJJ here in central Indiana. I checked it this evening and they are booming in here tonight. This is amazing for a 1,000 watt station on a tower that is electrically ineffecient. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Jan 30 18:03:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43846 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2008 02:03:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2008 02:03:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2008 02:03:51 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.141] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080130200343002111200003> for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:03:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00b101c863ae$367425e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <120251.23300.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CA3121251BB9BC-350-239A@WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:03:43 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=4brf4zrc48M9DfSFvlojfiodVrGaXYN7zOcMp1m0XTkmjjGGjFNm X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep- ol' Captain Steve does the morning show on weekdays and we were on the air with him. As for Chris, I know he's become a bit of a recluse, but it could be because he's been rather busy these last few years. I know he is/was taking care of his elderly parents. He posts a lot of stuff on ebay so I know he's still around. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com Scott, did you ever get to see the station's GM or did the people who worked there merely refer to him as He Who Walks Behind the Rows (of Towers)?? Were there alot of really creepy looking kids hanging around with? sickles?? Maybe Chris Cuff made a return visit to KCJJ and didn't?make it ?back.? Lord knows he doesn't answer his email anymore. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From nhughes@melbpc.org.au Thu Jan 31 13:47:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: nhughes@melbpc.org.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63421 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2008 21:47:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2008 21:47:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2008 21:47:16 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2008 21:47:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2008 21:47:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2008 21:47:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:47:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <47397CB2-E528-43BA-BD5E-1041F0F63C02@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 218.214.129.136 From: "quadcom38" Subject: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=133289281; y=DXtWVnMk3CDICEluiffU2Qztb_YBX63FZtJTAoscfbmTsWAW X-Yahoo-Profile: quadcom38 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner =20 wrote: > > No, it wasn't. It worked (and still works) well. Modern varients=20 work=20=20 > even better. >=20 > The real problem with C-Quam compared with Kahn is that Kahn=20 wanted=20=20 > radios carrying his system to have good fidelity as well. Motorola=20=20 > didn't care. So the vast majority of AM stereo radios, from the=20 Radio=20=20 > Shack model some people on this list like to RS and Kraco car=20 stereos=20=20 > sounded like crap: narrowband AM but in stereo. >=20 > THAT is the single reason AM stereo failed. For most people it=20 didn't=20=20 > sound any better than regular AM. >=20 > Richard Wagoner >=20 >=20 > On Jan 25, 2008, at 8:01 PM, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > > > This was my point: the Motorola C-QUAM system is bad, so bad, >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From an Australian perspective the above isn't/wasn't true. From the=20 outset of AM broadcasting in the late 20's up until the mid 70's, it=20 was common for AM stations to broadcast the baseband up to 10KHz and=20 beyond, despite in those days the 10KHz spacing. The regulators sited=20 stations so that there were no adj/co channel assignements within the=20 coverage area of the transmitter (and like the US, this is a big=20 country!) We had our own manufacturing industry then and the locally=20 produced AM receivers sounded very good indeed. In fact there were=20 some receivers manufactured in the late 70's which incorporated 10KHz=20 whistle filters, to null out distant carriers after dark=20 (the "local/distant" switch). With the move to 9KHz spacing and pressure to get more stations on=20 the air, the broadcast regs were tightened so that now the baseband=20 limit is 7KHz. When AMS arrived the sound was fantastic, subjectively=20 rivaling FM stereo. I still have a Sony AM stereo receiver dating=20 from the mid-80's which has the IF wide/narrow switch, though sadly=20 it lacks a 9KHz whistle filter.=20 So on a good wide-band receiver, AM radio in Australia can sound very=20 good indeed, stereo or not. But sadly, all the AM stations here with=20 the notable exception of 1053 2CA Canberra, and a couple of others,=20 have returned to mono. 2CA has good skywave coverage here in=20 Melbourne and I often tune in at night, just to hear some old 60's=20 tracks played once again in stereo... I have heard a US made Fanfare AM stereo tuner here - while it=20 professes to have wide/narrow switch for AM, there wasn't much sound=20 quality difference and it still sounded muffled compared to my Sony!=20 Pity, because the FM performance was superb. I could go on but this post is long enough already... Cheers Ex-Engineer From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 31 14:57:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4873 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2008 22:57:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2008 22:57:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2008 22:57:26 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ce4.2769ae14 (37121) for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:56:50 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from Webmail-mg03 (webmail-mg03.sim.aol.com [64.12.142.151]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA017-910147a2523211c; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:56:50 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:56:50 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 75.43.91.209 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 75.43.91.209 by Webmail-mg03.sim.aol.com (64.12.142.151) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:56:50 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA3273B32957A1-8F0-1706@Webmail-mg03.sim.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Bc4oSbcB_ZuJt32ZTLvNZlxHRtHopt2U-HQAzSB_EUJragl2oHEXXx-RvMiSFZ6J X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings to all our friend in the Land Down Under (where the winds blow and there's thunder). HiFi AM has been around for more than half a century in the U.S..? RCA Ampliphase AM transmitters, around since the 50s,?could pass FM standard audio proofs.? There were a multitude of HiFi AM receivers built.? As you mentioned, my Heathkit mono tube tuner, circa 1955?has a Narrow/Wide selector with 10khz whistle filter.? I have a 1940 Zenith 10A1 Console Radio that sounds great to this day and seems to thrive on AM Stereo signals. However, the most of the market purposefully did not want HiFi and deliberately filtered their audio to get the last percent of modulation.? There are stations like that now.? Most newer (as in post-tube(valve) radios) that are not AM Stereo have really junky (no TRF state, narrow IF, high distortion diode detectors) AM sections. I am glad to see quite a number of RCA Ampliphase transmitters finding new life in Australia, especially for AM Stereo operation. Is it true turntables turn counterclockwise in the?Southern Hemisphere?? Well, that's what I heard. 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Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 31 15:13:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35471 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2008 23:13:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2008 23:13:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2008 23:13:37 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d6a.1b189152 (34907) for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:13:35 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-md09 (webmail-md09.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.147]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA024-885b47a2561e234; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:13:34 -0500 References: <120251.23300.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CA3121251BB9BC-350-239A@WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com> <00b101c863ae$367425e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:13:35 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 75.43.91.209 In-Reply-To: <00b101c863ae$367425e0$d503fea9@stodd> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 75.43.91.209 by webmail-md09.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.147) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:13:34 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA327609BF637C-EE0-1FB@webmail-md09.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1630 The Mighty KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=BufJ9i1Hs9oxJshAswJIgPrx8NpN48VMMyBK-imBeNkOrv8rR_kT9LyWk4c7Ljqp X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glad to hear Chris is still around and?didn't end up as corn fodder. I am in Arkansas this week on estate business.? KCJJ comes in really great in the early morning when they go to 10kW before the skywave propagation dissipates. Mike -----Original Message----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 8:03 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 1630 The Mighty KCJJ Yep- ol' Captain Steve does the morning show on weekdays and we were on the air with him. As for Chris, I know he's become a bit of a recluse, but it could be because he's been rather busy these last few years. I know he is/was taking care of his elderly parents. He posts a lot of stuff on ebay so I know he's still around. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com Scott, did you ever get to see the station's GM or did the people who worked there merely refer to him as He Who Walks Behind the Rows (of Towers)?? Were there alot of really creepy looking kids hanging around with? sickles?? Maybe Chris Cuff made a return visit to KCJJ and didn't?make it ?back.? Lord knows he doesn't answer his email anymore. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Thu Jan 31 17:41:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86471 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 01:41:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2008 01:41:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 01:41:27 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cbf.1f627bae (34944) for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:41:17 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-62-124.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.62.124]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA055-888047a278b2323; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:41:07 -0500 Message-ID: <6744D018096343CBA311829442E933C3@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <8CA3273B32957A1-8F0-1706@Webmail-mg03.sim.aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:41:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3264 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3264 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.62.124 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=tMsB-86ErlAX1xid2u_FWCPLzK3wtRfCUjZZx9NuuzXkbf3ierit X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit would the record still play if it turned the other way? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:56 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused Greetings to all our friend in the Land Down Under (where the winds blow and there's thunder). HiFi AM has been around for more than half a century in the U.S..? RCA Ampliphase AM transmitters, around since the 50s,?could pass FM standard audio proofs.? There were a multitude of HiFi AM receivers built.? As you mentioned, my Heathkit mono tube tuner, circa 1955?has a Narrow/Wide selector with 10khz whistle filter.? I have a 1940 Zenith 10A1 Console Radio that sounds great to this day and seems to thrive on AM Stereo signals. However, the most of the market purposefully did not want HiFi and deliberately filtered their audio to get the last percent of modulation.? There are stations like that now.? Most newer (as in post-tube(valve) radios) that are not AM Stereo have really junky (no TRF state, narrow IF, high distortion diode detectors) AM sections. I am glad to see quite a number of RCA Ampliphase transmitters finding new life in Australia, especially for AM Stereo operation. Is it true turntables turn counterclockwise in the?Southern Hemisphere?? Well, that's what I heard. 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Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jan 31 19:42:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2900 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 03:42:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2008 03:42:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.206) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 03:42:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10031 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2008 03:42:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oRikvdQVM1mni34ZFKY3g1XxnGRUJHYO5wRci.b1h.D.udvOYAtN1lwYxM2pm4VH8LX93KdzASz9BHx3esZEhd54xE6saWh5jHceZkl3E9X8xY4qa64- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:42:20 PST Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:42:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA3273B32957A1-8F0-1706@Webmail-mg03.sim.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <528085.5944.qm@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=UiDLx6w_3vlDgYtRZnz5uiSW-SsJaNJSqcY1fosFtfFj1w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I think the T-tables turn clockwise, but I heard the turlets and drains go backwards! Seriously, greetings to Australia! I used to get up early to listen to Dick Patterson on Radio Australia short-wave (5995 and 9580 kHz.). Is he still with ABC? Regards, George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Greetings to all our friend in the Land Down Under > (where the winds blow and there's thunder). > > HiFi AM has been around for more than half a century > in the U.S..? RCA Ampliphase AM transmitters, around > since the 50s,?could pass FM standard audio proofs.? > There were a multitude of HiFi AM receivers built.? > As you mentioned, my Heathkit mono tube tuner, circa > 1955?has a Narrow/Wide selector with 10khz whistle > filter.? I have a 1940 Zenith 10A1 Console Radio > that sounds great to this day and seems to thrive on > AM Stereo signals. > > However, the most of the market purposefully did not > want HiFi and deliberately filtered their audio to > get the last percent of modulation.? There are > stations like that now.? Most newer (as in > post-tube(valve) radios) that are not AM Stereo have > really junky (no TRF state, narrow IF, high > distortion diode detectors) AM sections. > > I am glad to see quite a number of RCA Ampliphase > transmitters finding new life in Australia, > especially for AM Stereo operation. > > Is it true turntables turn counterclockwise in > the?Southern Hemisphere?? Well, that's what I heard. > > > Mike > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jan 31 19:44:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48889 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 03:44:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2008 03:44:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.206) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 03:44:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11338 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2008 03:44:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UDyensoVM1k6Gp9R3haX749DRKYN_ib7op64Y1v3BsyyHuswbEGwHxCBCER2kksYnZo6Ez4kDXCxr521TvRdvRFrncfCq4TZDj1FGgK3pEM8otwM2oY- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:44:45 PST Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:44:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6744D018096343CBA311829442E933C3@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <976848.10356.qm@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=EKT5C10SI4tks6ScFLR3uciQMCSuLYHMshCiDCblUZPiTA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes, but you might hear hidden messages (Paul McCartney?). WAY beck when vinyl ruled in the stations, the had 16 inch transcription discs that played from the label out, but I can't remember which way they rotated. G. --- hank smith wrote: > would the record still play if it turned the other > way? > thanks > Hank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mjgrant@aol.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:56 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused > > > Greetings to all our friend in the Land Down Under > (where the winds blow and there's thunder). > > HiFi AM has been around for more than half a > century in the U.S..? RCA Ampliphase AM > transmitters, around since the 50s,?could pass FM > standard audio proofs.? There were a multitude of > HiFi AM receivers built.? As you mentioned, my > Heathkit mono tube tuner, circa 1955?has a > Narrow/Wide selector with 10khz whistle filter.? I > have a 1940 Zenith 10A1 Console Radio that sounds > great to this day and seems to thrive on AM Stereo > signals. > > However, the most of the market purposefully did > not want HiFi and deliberately filtered their audio > to get the last percent of modulation.? There are > stations like that now.? Most newer (as in > post-tube(valve) radios) that are not AM Stereo have > really junky (no TRF state, narrow IF, high > distortion diode detectors) AM sections. > > I am glad to see quite a number of RCA Ampliphase > transmitters finding new life in Australia, > especially for AM Stereo operation. > > Is it true turntables turn counterclockwise in > the?Southern Hemisphere?? Well, that's what I heard. > > Mike > > > __________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From ke7ief@aol.com Thu Jan 31 22:32:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4882 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 06:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2008 06:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 06:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d3f.21e2fd3f (34945) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 01:31:43 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-62-124.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.62.124]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA056-888147a2bcc5326; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:31:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1ACEBDFC65804852B6CD6E0733397B07@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <528085.5944.qm@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:31:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3264 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3264 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.62.124 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=7FlszmvVi9Ou3SN1kziQTT_0AtjCdBw1WVhTTMEcHRFQEyRcNmD3 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how can the drains and toylets go backwards? ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:42 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused I think the T-tables turn clockwise, but I heard the turlets and drains go backwards! Seriously, greetings to Australia! I used to get up early to listen to Dick Patterson on Radio Australia short-wave (5995 and 9580 kHz.). Is he still with ABC? Regards, George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Greetings to all our friend in the Land Down Under > (where the winds blow and there's thunder). > > HiFi AM has been around for more than half a century > in the U.S..? RCA Ampliphase AM transmitters, around > since the 50s,?could pass FM standard audio proofs.? > There were a multitude of HiFi AM receivers built.? > As you mentioned, my Heathkit mono tube tuner, circa > 1955?has a Narrow/Wide selector with 10khz whistle > filter.? I have a 1940 Zenith 10A1 Console Radio > that sounds great to this day and seems to thrive on > AM Stereo signals. > > However, the most of the market purposefully did not > want HiFi and deliberately filtered their audio to > get the last percent of modulation.? There are > stations like that now.? Most newer (as in > post-tube(valve) radios) that are not AM Stereo have > really junky (no TRF state, narrow IF, high > distortion diode detectors) AM sections. > > I am glad to see quite a number of RCA Ampliphase > transmitters finding new life in Australia, > especially for AM Stereo operation. > > Is it true turntables turn counterclockwise in > the?Southern Hemisphere?? Well, that's what I heard. > > > Mike > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Thu Jan 31 22:32:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16987 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 06:32:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2008 06:32:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 06:32:23 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cde.22a97e56 (34982) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 01:32:16 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-62-124.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.62.124]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA087-88a647a2bce5d1; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:32:06 -0500 Message-ID: To: References: <976848.10356.qm@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:32:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3264 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3264 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.62.124 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=kdqOk4nLAB3VEKB559G6Clsdz7xs-69_MXcYUo7km6NYjD2inNKU X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what songs have the suposivly hidden messages? am curious ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:44 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused Yes, but you might hear hidden messages (Paul McCartney?). WAY beck when vinyl ruled in the stations, the had 16 inch transcription discs that played from the label out, but I can't remember which way they rotated. G. --- hank smith wrote: > would the record still play if it turned the other > way? > thanks > Hank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mjgrant@aol.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:56 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused > > > Greetings to all our friend in the Land Down Under > (where the winds blow and there's thunder). > > HiFi AM has been around for more than half a > century in the U.S..? RCA Ampliphase AM > transmitters, around since the 50s,?could pass FM > standard audio proofs.? There were a multitude of > HiFi AM receivers built.? As you mentioned, my > Heathkit mono tube tuner, circa 1955?has a > Narrow/Wide selector with 10khz whistle filter.? I > have a 1940 Zenith 10A1 Console Radio that sounds > great to this day and seems to thrive on AM Stereo > signals. > > However, the most of the market purposefully did > not want HiFi and deliberately filtered their audio > to get the last percent of modulation.? There are > stations like that now.? Most newer (as in > post-tube(valve) radios) that are not AM Stereo have > really junky (no TRF state, narrow IF, high > distortion diode detectors) AM sections. > > I am glad to see quite a number of RCA Ampliphase > transmitters finding new life in Australia, > especially for AM Stereo operation. > > Is it true turntables turn counterclockwise in > the?Southern Hemisphere?? Well, that's what I heard. > > Mike > > > __________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Feb 01 09:09:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37551 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 17:09:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2008 17:09:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.103) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 17:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n20.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2008 17:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2008 17:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2008 17:09:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:09:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.28.51 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=CoEbF4RSsSckFkrtq87qNV9cQxHlIzd-PFxZ1f9KgovODlUh X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > what songs have the suposivly hidden messages? ELO's "Fire on High"...... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 01 09:56:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21790 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 17:56:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2008 17:56:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 17:56:15 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ca2.2532ddf8 (37047) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:56:07 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-nb06 (webmail-nb06.sim.aol.com [207.200.69.198]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB035-90b747a35d37e9; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:56:07 -0500 References: <8CA3273B32957A1-8F0-1706@Webmail-mg03.sim.aol.com> <6744D018096343CBA311829442E933C3@home9b6221bfb8> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:56:07 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 75.43.91.209 In-Reply-To: <6744D018096343CBA311829442E933C3@home9b6221bfb8> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 75.43.91.209 by webmail-nb06.sysops.aol.com (207.200.69.198) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:56:06 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA3312DAC4271F-1534-E18@webmail-nb06.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=zOJGd40AV1IVK-dEUiDA5uDoMe_oPWv6quxyEtXW3V28oKo0UmFSBpH2i5_OaOdK X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit would the record still play if it turned the other way? thanks Hank With a broadcast turntable and a cartridge with back-cue capability, you could play an entire record backwards.? However, my comment about Aussie turntables being counterclockwise was tongue in check.? Because Australia is in the Southern hemisphere, toilets, drains, and cyclones turn in the opposite direction due to Siderail forces being in the opposite direction.? To the best of my knowledge, vinyl records are cut clockwise in both hemispheres. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 01 10:05:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99057 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 18:05:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2008 18:05:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 18:05:07 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d00.2454c4ce (37565) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:04:21 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-nb06 (webmail-nb06.sim.aol.com [207.200.69.198]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB042-92bd47a35f2417f; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:04:20 -0500 References: <976848.10356.qm@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:04:20 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 75.43.91.209 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 75.43.91.209 by webmail-nb06.sysops.aol.com (207.200.69.198) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:04:20 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA331400AC43B2-1534-EA7@webmail-nb06.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=UL2Vu3Pi72_Q_njJ0WAKrLVSfQ3rJXQhbtHClcBiARuyVrD_IENm1xd8Xcm7jdt6 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what songs have the suposivly hidden messages? am curious I think?the McCartney thing was the Beatles White Album.?? Before you begin playing vinyl backwards for secret messages, just remember Charles Manson got his guidance that way. I remember back in the early 70's playing a?Buddy Holly?45 backwards contained the phrase "Buy Yahoo and Google."? Who would have known. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Feb 01 12:15:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60501 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 20:15:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2008 20:15:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 20:15:25 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c82.241d2a06 (37190) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:15:11 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home9b6221bfb8 (75-165-62-124.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.62.124]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA058-914647a37dc4191; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:15:01 -0500 Message-ID: <80E6A101BB894B93B6680169B7AB3EF4@home9b6221bfb8> To: References: <8CA3273B32957A1-8F0-1706@Webmail-mg03.sim.aol.com> <6744D018096343CBA311829442E933C3@home9b6221bfb8> <8CA3312DAC4271F-1534-E18@webmail-nb06.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:15:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3264 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3264 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.62.124 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=ErpKqqSTDf_pLZwKc9bySc5-OgsG-zDLwLPJepN8aB7o0HlplkU4 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit interesting ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:56 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused would the record still play if it turned the other way? thanks Hank With a broadcast turntable and a cartridge with back-cue capability, you could play an entire record backwards.? However, my comment about Aussie turntables being counterclockwise was tongue in check.? Because Australia is in the Southern hemisphere, toilets, drains, and cyclones turn in the opposite direction due to Siderail forces being in the opposite direction.? To the best of my knowledge, vinyl records are cut clockwise in both hemispheres. Mike __________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Feb 01 14:34:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43333 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 22:34:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2008 22:34:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 22:34:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17973 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2008 22:34:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Bmg03goVM1n4MtTBYG_p2GTX6bc3_vHiAHfo1OKqer6QPpjM4y.HV11cOvgG.j4oSY1gFfR1J7sU8JjH0.jE2IuZhjLdX2C.m38DKBuUC.nIdr9zfKs- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:34:48 PST Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:34:48 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1ACEBDFC65804852B6CD6E0733397B07@home9b6221bfb8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <141135.16807.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=KPgczEl5V-bjA2Nlm8rHs1G_RytKNXlj7EKiKhoL8JVncg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Coriolus effect, I think. They are on opposite sides of the equator. Used to wonder if turlets right ON the equator were worth betting on? Just kidding....George --- hank smith wrote: > how can the drains and toylets go backwards? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:42 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused > > > I think the T-tables turn clockwise, but I heard > the > turlets and drains go backwards! Seriously, > greetings > to Australia! I used to get up early to listen to > Dick Patterson on Radio Australia short-wave (5995 > and > 9580 kHz.). Is he still with ABC? > Regards, > George > --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > Greetings to all our friend in the Land Down > Under > > (where the winds blow and there's thunder). > > > > HiFi AM has been around for more than half a > century > > in the U.S..? RCA Ampliphase AM transmitters, > around > > since the 50s,?could pass FM standard audio > proofs.? > > There were a multitude of HiFi AM receivers > built.? > > As you mentioned, my Heathkit mono tube tuner, > circa > > 1955?has a Narrow/Wide selector with 10khz > whistle > > filter.? I have a 1940 Zenith 10A1 Console Radio > > that sounds great to this day and seems to > thrive on > > AM Stereo signals. > > > > However, the most of the market purposefully did > not > > want HiFi and deliberately filtered their audio > to > > get the last percent of modulation.? There are > > stations like that now.? Most newer (as in > > post-tube(valve) radios) that are not AM Stereo > have > > really junky (no TRF state, narrow IF, high > > distortion diode detectors) AM sections. > > > > I am glad to see quite a number of RCA > Ampliphase > > transmitters finding new life in Australia, > > especially for AM Stereo operation. > > > > Is it true turntables turn counterclockwise in > > the?Southern Hemisphere?? Well, that's what I > heard. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > More new features than ever. Check out the new > AOL > > Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Feb 01 14:38:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26999 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 22:38:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2008 22:38:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.207) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 22:38:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54613 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2008 22:38:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SGlMoKgVM1mub6pNN1KNA4wyYjOuKx7xhyjD16jls_WieNZmKN08uewHWlQeyzzeP9f5D8wSAYCaZq6p3QNaZZgUETBwVxlmkKk_SQ2PbaCW8sIczzI- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:38:20 PST Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:38:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <620122.53996.qm@web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=kv1xqkEnNsUuHMPLlQsQ4HWeSOnKl4SXv7M3AMLnoYCJTg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I think it was the "I am Walrus" by the Beatles, at the end where they say "everybody smokes pot" repeatedly. If you reverse it, it sounds like "Rah, rah, Paul is dead". I actually loaded a full-track reel to reel backwards to hear this at the steady correct speed...I didn't hear it... guess not EVERYBODY smokes pot, hah-hah! George --- hank smith wrote: > what songs have the suposivly hidden messages? > am curious > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:44 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused > > > Yes, but you might hear hidden messages (Paul > McCartney?). > WAY beck when vinyl ruled in the stations, the had > 16 > inch transcription discs that played from the > label > out, but I can't remember which way they rotated. > G. > --- hank smith wrote: > > > would the record still play if it turned the > other > > way? > > thanks > > Hank > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: mjgrant@aol.com > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:56 PM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused > > > > > > Greetings to all our friend in the Land Down > Under > > (where the winds blow and there's thunder). > > > > HiFi AM has been around for more than half a > > century in the U.S..? RCA Ampliphase AM > > transmitters, around since the 50s,?could pass > FM > > standard audio proofs.? There were a multitude > of > > HiFi AM receivers built.? As you mentioned, my > > Heathkit mono tube tuner, circa 1955?has a > > Narrow/Wide selector with 10khz whistle filter.? > I > > have a 1940 Zenith 10A1 Console Radio that > sounds > > great to this day and seems to thrive on AM > Stereo > > signals. > > > > However, the most of the market purposefully did > > not want HiFi and deliberately filtered their > audio > > to get the last percent of modulation.? There > are > > stations like that now.? Most newer (as in > > post-tube(valve) radios) that are not AM Stereo > have > > really junky (no TRF state, narrow IF, high > > distortion diode detectors) AM sections. > > > > I am glad to see quite a number of RCA > Ampliphase > > transmitters finding new life in Australia, > > especially for AM Stereo operation. > > > > Is it true turntables turn counterclockwise in > > the?Southern Hemisphere?? Well, that's what I > heard. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > More new features than ever. Check out the new > AOL > > Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! 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Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 01 15:17:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27379 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 23:17:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2008 23:17:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 23:17:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28826 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2008 23:17:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: y.3IgK0VM1nT44FALGKDamas8_cKVSXCQjZ9OqcVwflvSgle9g1ShNFtJcaJFCYHoZDSddIkeJ3XFIxtQXvQh3HoUr5Q1YQPCYO4TT7_ix3dFEKDOlVz81MvFQ-- X-Received: from [72.241.174.89] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:17:18 PST Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:17:18 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <668131.28434.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=DG0CmsTebWQXu9q3Tpjwd0kJLUhMWG9b9Z99uOzXKrXoVM1Ub4Mu7FE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Friends in OZ: We had an active member of our group when "Magic 693" was in C-Quam stereo, and they played some nice music too (based on recordings I heard), but I believe that they did a frequency swap with another station, and didn't take the CQuam hardware along. The Sony SRF-A100, or equivalent model overseas, has an AM audio bandwidth of 13KHz-14KHz with the tone dial turned to allow for max treble, while the excellent Fanfare Tuner meets or exceeds the AMAX standard of 7.5KHz audio bandwidth, but is just a little under 10KHz. I believe that they tried making an Australian model with a 12.5KHz I.F. filter. Regards, John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 01 17:43:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11106 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 01:43:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 01:43:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 01:43:44 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.53] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080201194325000078000003> for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:43:25 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008c01c8653d$ba62b2a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <976848.10356.qm@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:43:25 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ic-RmR2gopfPjYaislYy16oWM1Irtt_3GgmIp7UPgQRiEEhZrkGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Same as all the others. Typically cutting inside out was done for one of two reasons- the EQ on those radio station grade disk cutters wasn't uniform from outside in and on the second side they'd be cut inside out so when the disk was flipped there wouldn't be such an obvious change. The other reason was the shavings from cutting the grooves were less likely to get tangled in the cutting stylus, something which would ruin both the disk and the stylus. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com WAY beck when vinyl ruled in the stations, the had 16 inch transcription discs that played from the label out, but I can't remember which way they rotated. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Feb 01 18:22:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72694 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 02:22:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 02:22:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 02:22:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 70486 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2008 02:22:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 90ppu80VM1nQWJGyV4KDy2ETURmzpymIB5v11WaR5Voo5.rZUoEWG1nd5ftO8lLqw4fKsaRElw4jFy9MMDa79CikNzUK4Q_1ysVmUnBBB29dIdid8T4- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:22:16 PST Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:22:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008c01c8653d$ba62b2a0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <192019.69372.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=8dcS5TB7pNo9I3ukRRcUR2gDAc0tnVb8M0CpJGblLk4ZBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Ah yes, I do recall that there is an equalization function related to radius...RIAA stuff is vanishing knowledge these days! So one side played in and the other out? I love this forum, I learn something every day...THANKS George --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > Same as all the others. Typically cutting inside > out was done for one of two reasons- the EQ on > those radio station grade disk cutters wasn't > uniform from outside in and on the second side > they'd be cut inside out so when the disk was > flipped there wouldn't be such an obvious change. > The other reason was the shavings from cutting the > grooves were less likely to get tangled in the > cutting stylus, something which would ruin both the > disk and the stylus. > > Scott Todd > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > WAY beck when vinyl ruled in the stations, the > had 16 > inch transcription discs that played from the > label > out, but I can't remember which way they rotated. > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Feb 01 18:35:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20727 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 02:35:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 02:35:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp106.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (68.142.229.99) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 02:35:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 56282 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 02:34:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO EMACHINE) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@76.251.82.171 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 02:34:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: slcQB2YVM1lKognu5Y50ZNgoK38QFPofJckRxSlnj74KxLXxuQHuRUgSTke2Bwag4j0KbF3KBo1f058P6POCNvMKu3pRLG8HS7znCHxvKFQHhqgGQ1TtmWnjo2tfgW7dnZWmLA6nv3PLtso- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001b01c86544$31e853b0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <620122.53996.qm@web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:34:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080201-1, 02/01/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 68.142.229.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=F1Ls7WHr1t0lPap2rh6LYOLHawwdIhDVdwFM5vMfUPF9luU X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > I think it was the "I am Walrus" by the Beatles, at > the end where they say "everybody smokes pot" > repeatedly. If you reverse it, it sounds like > "Rah, rah, Paul is dead". I actually loaded a > full-track reel to reel backwards to hear this at the > steady correct speed...I didn't hear it... > guess not EVERYBODY smokes pot, hah-hah! George Then there is the infamous track from the Beatles "Revolver" LP, called "Number Nine". In this song John Lennon sings "Number nine... number nine... number nine... " over and over and over again. If you play this backwards it sounds like John is saying, "turn me on dead man... turn me on dead man... turn me on dead man". Which further fueled rumors that one of the fab four had bitten the dust. The best line about "backward masking" came from George Carlin. George Carlin said, "If you play "Number Nine" backwards it screws up your turntable..." -Jim- From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 01 20:39:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13188 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 04:39:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 04:39:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.232) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 04:39:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 68987 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2008 04:39:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WR_XTaUVM1m5eaFwXExo2OB.x160XM1brh13EHJ8CjV0jbEe.0CXcnuJkworWDzgCrsN4ONODWbMt9xmpQzMb9rLu9JWkvvyfyr1eOa370_CHkRB9SWaF45.eQRv9H5V8YmwX26659E9jK0- X-Received: from [70.109.212.219] by web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:39:55 PST Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:39:55 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <668131.28434.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <297575.67601.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=5azNuCYOvYz5nCdaAdNdSsahkn1DRs76J3YGNuDFl8i0ZPMlWMLf X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think you might mean Ian Davidson. "John P." wrote: Friends in OZ: We had an active member of our group when "Magic 693" was in C-Quam stereo, and they played some nice music too (based on recordings I heard), but I believe that they did a frequency swap with another station, and didn't take the CQuam hardware along. The Sony SRF-A100, or equivalent model overseas, has an AM audio bandwidth of 13KHz-14KHz with the tone dial turned to allow for max treble, while the excellent Fanfare Tuner meets or exceeds the AMAX standard of 7.5KHz audio bandwidth, but is just a little under 10KHz. I believe that they tried making an Australian model with a 12.5KHz I.F. filter. Regards, John __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Feb 01 20:46:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47356 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 04:46:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 04:46:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.204) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 04:46:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 77359 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2008 04:46:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WoSlzWgVM1lMhlmAPtyeATV4W2GGP3xKvejTuUayuizTCaQxPfCR7NFRA3BR97t889uF0HlHNy1HEflH38_WI5QO3nEY6tFsdZkozp2zsCD9nTuhJUU- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:46:42 PST Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:46:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001b01c86544$31e853b0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <252072.75951.qm@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=MQRwIxzXKPfoKlFZHaZYmP0eyvmkP_1X_owKg-JClNGCcA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Guess Carlin didn't have a good old QRK with the "gear-shift"! G --- Jim Burgan wrote: > > I think it was the "I am Walrus" by the Beatles, > at > > the end where they say "everybody smokes pot" > > repeatedly. If you reverse it, it sounds like > > "Rah, rah, Paul is dead". I actually loaded a > > full-track reel to reel backwards to hear this at > the > > steady correct speed...I didn't hear it... > > guess not EVERYBODY smokes pot, hah-hah! George > > > Then there is the infamous track from the Beatles > "Revolver" LP, called > "Number Nine". > In this song John Lennon sings "Number nine... > number nine... number nine... > " over and over and over again. > If you play this backwards it sounds like John is > saying, "turn me on dead > man... turn me on dead man... turn me on dead man". > Which further fueled rumors that one of the fab four > had bitten the dust. > > The best line about "backward masking" came from > George Carlin. > George Carlin said, "If you play "Number Nine" > backwards it screws up your > turntable..." > -Jim- > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 01 20:52:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92466 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 04:52:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 04:52:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.143) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 04:52:29 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2008 04:52:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2008 04:52:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2008 04:52:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:52:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001b01c86544$31e853b0$6501a8c0@EMACHINE> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.85 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=gnOfb9GoWuo3pKCaufjFofXHFPC3EVNc5lICyjHbZ_L32py-cQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burgan" wrote: > > > I think it was the "I am Walrus" by the Beatles, at > > the end where they say "everybody smokes pot" > > repeatedly. If you reverse it, it sounds like > > "Rah, rah, Paul is dead". I actually loaded a > > full-track reel to reel backwards to hear this at the > > steady correct speed...I didn't hear it... > > guess not EVERYBODY smokes pot, hah-hah! George >=20 >=20 > Then there is the infamous track from the Beatles "Revolver" LP,=20 called=20 > "Number Nine". > In this song John Lennon sings "Number nine... number nine...=20 number nine...=20 > " over and over and over again. > If you play this backwards it sounds like John is saying, "turn me=20 on dead=20 > man... turn me on dead man... turn me on dead man". > Which further fueled rumors that one of the fab four had bitten=20 the dust. >=20 > The best line about "backward masking" came from George Carlin. > George Carlin said, "If you play "Number Nine" backwards it screws=20 up your=20 > turntable..." > -Jim- > Hi gang!!! I don't want to start some kind of religious and/or philosophical=20 discussion about the interesting "backward lines" issue, but I guess=20 the backward possible language is a natural phenomenom that is=20 present in all the languages of the world and in a lot of=20 circunstances (not only in a musical recording). Sometimes The Beatles used backward tapes intentionally. The song=20 RAIN was the first using this technology. The first musical=20 phrase: "IF THE RAIN COMES THEY RUN AND HIDE THEIR HEADS" was used=20 backward in the final part (coda) of the song (after a little pause)=20 and you could think John was speaking some "rare language", but not=20 at all. There are others beatles' songs with that "sound effect":=20 BLUE JAY WAY, FLYING, I'M THE WALRUS, REVOLUTION N=BA 9 (from the=20 WHITE ALBUM not REVOLVER), etc. The problem was/is/will be if there is another "Hidden" intention on=20 it or it is just a natural accident. Some psychologists think the human brain works backward when we're=20 sleeping. I don't know. Some people think there is a satanic artifact, specially from the=20 young musicians involved in the drugs world. It's no wonder the evil=20 forces work that way but I'm not sure if we have the right to judge=20 musicians only because a "backward" lines. It's well known the Coca-Cola company used this technology to=20 increase their merchandising campaigns. Maybe some politicians have used it, too!!! So, I'm not sure if we could to agree about a "moral" law here. I=20 guess not. But, it is a radio forum, an AM Stereo forum, and the AM radio=20 was/is/will always be a communication "vehicle". And... any vehicle=20 can carry any kind of "loading", hehehe!!! So, if you have some backward music, put in on the air!!! Despite=20 the "moral" issue, any kind of music is better than the talking=20 programs we have in the AM band today. It's just MY opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From rwagoner@cox.net Fri Feb 01 21:08:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43045 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 05:08:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 05:08:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao107.cox.net) (68.230.241.39) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 05:08:41 -0000 X-Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080202050841.FVNY6359.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:08:41 -0500 X-Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id kV8d1Y00f1sYu840000000; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:08:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <5E3256ED-7C7B-4C18-92A1-43C79B21C1C1@cox.net> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:08:41 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM - I am confused X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=Xlka27VxDCsGQfW2NKxKgtF8HIXjbMJrHefp4mn7Acj5MozUQGw8H8mY-AC3 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Carlin once did a bit on how if you play a certain record backwards it ... screws up your needle! Richard On Feb 1, 2008, at 8:52 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > If you play this backwards [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@optusnet.com.au Sat Feb 02 01:28:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80236 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 09:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 09:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail14.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.195) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 09:28:01 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d58-106-69-183.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.106.69.183]) by mail14.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m129RoKW009425 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:27:57 +1100 To: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:27:47 +1100 Message-ID: <008601c8657d$e02a6010$0301010a@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <297575.67601.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 thread-index: AchlVavb9t+/72zqToqzaVSivs8vwwAIh5Sw X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=89Acab3qd5OjxyNh5LSWpzKRSL0krcWb7eRQGbUyd1E0 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ Yo Jay!! Long time, no speak ... If my memory doesn't mistake me you're the good guy who moved from Florida to New England and always seems to help the disadvantaged. Good on ya! How are things going? I think you might mean Ian Davidson. Yes. So do I. :-) "John P." yahoo.com> wrote: Friends in OZ: We had an active member of our group when "Magic 693" was in C-Quam stereo, and they played some nice music too (based on recordings I heard), but I believe that they did a frequency swap with another station, and didn't take the CQuam hardware along. Hey John (you'll always be Johnny Electron to me!) I guess I'm pretty much inactive on this list now as I simply have nothing relevant to say. But I still scan it daily ... but no longer with a heavy duty scrute. I miss the AMS lists terribly. And I miss fighting as a warrior/advocate for AMS. They were really good times for me as I'd sort of been listening to AM stereo in secret here between 1985 and 2000. It was wonderful feeling part of a possible world movement for the good. But the cause is lost here now. Canberra's 2CA is the only decent AMS station left. And I can hardly even pick it up. Magic 693 only swapped frequencies with its sister station (the more popular talk station went to the better lower frequency) and the AM stereo optimod or whatever it had purchased seems to have been shelved. It's a damned shame. Melbourne's top station 3AW hasn't managed to increase its ratings in the market but now is picked up in many places in Victoria that it previously didn't reach. And Magic's ratings have dropped markedly. It no longer is picked up pretty much state-wide (and in Northern Tasmania) as it was. It dropped AM stereo. And it dropped it's wonderful PAM jingles six months before the change of frequency. It's still a pleasant station for me to listen to, but only a shadow of what it was. IN LESS THAN 11 MONTHS WE IN OZ GET DAB+!!! Australian governments of both persuasions have been promising digital radio since 1990. It should have arrived in 2000, when digital TV arrived. Hopefully it is something to look very forward to. I reckon the only reason you lot in America have had to put up with IBOC is that it simply was invented in America ... and those dreadful big corporations (who donate heaps to both the Dems and the Repubs) ensured that this was to be. It seems to me that you simply get the best government that corporate money can buy. Your founding fathers must be turning in their graves. Maybe Obama may change things ... I hope so ... but even he seems filthy rich. What a shame an ordinary Joe has no chance of becoming president. The Sony SRF-A100, or equivalent model overseas, has an AM audio bandwidth of 13KHz-14KHz with the tone dial turned to allow for max treble, while the excellent Fanfare Tuner meets or exceeds the AMAX standard of 7.5KHz audio bandwidth, but is just a little under 10KHz. I believe that they tried making an Australian model with a 12.5KHz I.F. filter. Regards, John The Fanfare model was a Godsend. But the average Joe (like me) couldn't afford one. The huge mistake with the intro of AMS in America was not mandating only one system (CQuam) as we did, and Canada followed, and mandating that any receiver which delivered FM stereo must also deliver AM stereo. It would seem that Americans have learned nothing from this experience. Cheers from Downunder Johnny E! Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Feb 02 07:43:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91930 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 15:43:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2008 15:43:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2008 15:43:50 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.55.99] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080202094330002372000003> for ; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:43:30 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002e01c865b3$1636ca60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <008601c8657d$e02a6010$0301010a@seagull> Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:43:30 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=eEnUQjjrMcBJ4Tc-DOY_Dgk-FHiRWjKfXWNeAO-1t4XAwbu3i9ab X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gotta love a guy who constantly talks about "change" but never defines his terms. Robert Mugabe and Mao Zedong brought change to their countries too, very little of it good. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com It seems to me that you simply get the best government that corporate money can buy. Your founding fathers must be turning in their graves. Maybe Obama may change things ... I hope so ... but even he seems filthy rich. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Feb 04 19:37:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8604 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2008 03:37:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2008 03:37:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.230) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2008 03:37:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 90790 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2008 03:37:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HTOeJWIVM1lAo0SWQ6PdQrmmXbiXOKYnawHOEvwvnS2nXqaL2qPFQQS3At1o39606F4USzXu3Z6j3rre8loBu7wqyQ1mkjneqU6rIQU9jSDAoPk4AuCKwEL2XQnsnAtrlbvV2Izm9PRHZ2s- X-Received: from [64.222.43.143] by web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:37:51 PST Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 19:37:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008601c8657d$e02a6010$0301010a@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <460033.89630.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=yc3_z9ZHc1dsu4uEBh_SAoVbf6a8QUNrWIFXW5rjEFJsxcvYQsDu X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Ian, sorry for the delay. I moved back to New England & helped disadvantaged radio stations! Almost got WPEP turned around, but alas, the license was canceled October 18th of last year. Pity too. Thanks for all of the tapes of 3MP & 3EE. I'm still enjoying them to this day. Additionally the Melbourne station list from the newspaper! Things change for the bad but they also change for the good, too. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 Ian Davidson wrote: From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ Yo Jay!! Long time, no speak ... If my memory doesn't mistake me you're the good guy who moved from Florida to New England and always seems to help the disadvantaged. Good on ya! How are things going? I think you might mean Ian Davidson. Yes. So do I. :-) "John P." yahoo.com> wrote: Friends in OZ: We had an active member of our group when "Magic 693" was in C-Quam stereo, and they played some nice music too (based on recordings I heard), but I believe that they did a frequency swap with another station, and didn't take the CQuam hardware along. Hey John (you'll always be Johnny Electron to me!) I guess I'm pretty much inactive on this list now as I simply have nothing relevant to say. But I still scan it daily ... but no longer with a heavy duty scrute. I miss the AMS lists terribly. And I miss fighting as a warrior/advocate for AMS. They were really good times for me as I'd sort of been listening to AM stereo in secret here between 1985 and 2000. It was wonderful feeling part of a possible world movement for the good. But the cause is lost here now. Canberra's 2CA is the only decent AMS station left. And I can hardly even pick it up. Magic 693 only swapped frequencies with its sister station (the more popular talk station went to the better lower frequency) and the AM stereo optimod or whatever it had purchased seems to have been shelved. It's a damned shame. Melbourne's top station 3AW hasn't managed to increase its ratings in the market but now is picked up in many places in Victoria that it previously didn't reach. And Magic's ratings have dropped markedly. It no longer is picked up pretty much state-wide (and in Northern Tasmania) as it was. It dropped AM stereo. And it dropped it's wonderful PAM jingles six months before the change of frequency. It's still a pleasant station for me to listen to, but only a shadow of what it was. IN LESS THAN 11 MONTHS WE IN OZ GET DAB+!!! Australian governments of both persuasions have been promising digital radio since 1990. It should have arrived in 2000, when digital TV arrived. Hopefully it is something to look very forward to. I reckon the only reason you lot in America have had to put up with IBOC is that it simply was invented in America ... and those dreadful big corporations (who donate heaps to both the Dems and the Repubs) ensured that this was to be. It seems to me that you simply get the best government that corporate money can buy. Your founding fathers must be turning in their graves. Maybe Obama may change things ... I hope so ... but even he seems filthy rich. What a shame an ordinary Joe has no chance of becoming president. The Sony SRF-A100, or equivalent model overseas, has an AM audio bandwidth of 13KHz-14KHz with the tone dial turned to allow for max treble, while the excellent Fanfare Tuner meets or exceeds the AMAX standard of 7.5KHz audio bandwidth, but is just a little under 10KHz. I believe that they tried making an Australian model with a 12.5KHz I.F. filter. Regards, John The Fanfare model was a Godsend. But the average Joe (like me) couldn't afford one. The huge mistake with the intro of AMS in America was not mandating only one system (CQuam) as we did, and Canada followed, and mandating that any receiver which delivered FM stereo must also deliver AM stereo. It would seem that Americans have learned nothing from this experience. Cheers from Downunder Johnny E! Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Feb 04 21:27:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13408 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2008 05:27:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2008 05:27:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2008 05:27:17 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cf4.207e2e54 (41810) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 00:27:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 00:27:13 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5003 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Cvcwof_VqkKtXlCPK5rzR7m2XguvhI36T0MDdq3zlVLW2xYnDjHnUumgKOoNVbug X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/2/08 9:44:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: Maybe Obama may change things ... I hope so ... but even he seems filthy rich. He or Hillary will bring back the Fairness Doctrine. When stations have to play an hour of Sam Seder for every hour of Rush and an hour of Randi Rhodes (who is really hot) for every hour of Laura Ingram, Talk Radio will go the way of Joe Pine and Morton Downey, becoming just a bad dream. Than Top 40 can return to fill the programming vacuum and it will be Happy Days again. Mike **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Feb 04 21:50:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29357 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2008 05:50:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2008 05:50:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao103.cox.net) (68.230.241.43) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2008 05:50:56 -0000 X-Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080205055053.XQHJ14980.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 00:50:53 -0500 X-Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id lhr41Y00b1sYu840000000; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:51:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <7670DBEA-CC09-447A-B180-2D778F119A35@cox.net> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:50:51 -0800 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=OjVSTKiGPe8Iv9e6NtKptMlZ5xWI1_O6ypr5tD_4C_x51RCGJYyuoHfEUOYj X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good theory, except that it didn't happen under Clinton Volume 1. On Feb 4, 2008, at 9:27 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/2/08 9:44:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, > scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > > > He or Hillary will bring back the Fairness Doctrine. When stations > have to > play an hour of Sam Seder for every hour of Rush and an hour of > Randi Rhodes > (who is really hot) for every hour of Laura Ingram, Talk Radio will > go the > way of Joe Pine and Morton Downey, becoming just a bad dream. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@optusnet.com.au Mon Feb 04 23:47:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78299 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2008 07:47:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2008 07:47:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.183) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2008 07:47:21 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d58-106-69-183.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.106.69.183]) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m157lDLC010690 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:47:19 +1100 To: Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:47:12 +1100 Message-ID: <008701c867cb$52651f40$0301010a@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchnqIAEQHOfE2xUS1mRhLuvJwyf+wAIPZNw In-Reply-To: <460033.89630.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=Tmkt2hlMBGTf--SgSPtyneFU-bM44ENWgOaGewtosja3 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 From: JNR Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ > Hey Ian, sorry for the delay. I moved back to New England & helped > disadvantaged radio stations! Almost got WPEP turned around, but > alas, the license was canceled October 18th of last year. Pity too. If there were more Jays in the world it would be a better place! > Thanks for all of the tapes of 3MP & 3EE. I'm still enjoying them to > this day. Additionally the Melbourne station list from the newspaper! You're welcome. I was so proud of Melbourne's AM stereo stations at the time. We were arguably the AM Stereo capital of the southern hemisphere. How quickly things can change. :( > Things change for the bad but they also change for the good, too. As Deborough Kerr said in 'The King and I' - "I hope so ... Oh I do hope so." > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 Yo! Whatever all that means ... All I can say is Me Too 3XY. Cheers from Downunder Ian Melbourne (the World's second most liveable city) God bless Vancouver! From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Feb 05 00:45:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66931 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2008 08:45:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2008 08:45:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.142) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2008 08:45:27 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n15.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2008 08:45:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2008 08:45:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2008 08:45:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:45:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008701c867cb$52651f40$0301010a@seagull> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.13.102 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=ARAEV2dcfxbmolNpUgjknw1mHaGPKZ5UFzsv8jezbeaK0VhH X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Davidson" wrote: > >=20=20 > From: JNR >=20 > > 73, > > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > Yo! Whatever all that means ... All I can say is Me Too 3XY. OK, for you, Ian, I'll translate Jay's closing for you: 73 =3D Old Morse shorthand for "goodbye" or "see you later"; N1WVQ =3D He's a ham in New England (specifically the state of Rhode Island= ; V31VQ =3D He's got a ham license in Belize, Central America, just on the south end of Mexico; WQBI410 =3D He's a licensed General Mobile Radio Service (*) operator. (*: GMRS is like CB, except licensed(**), and uses frequencies in the lower UHF band, just below UHF TV and above the 440MHz ham band.) (**: CB is unlicensed in the US.) (Info gleamed from: http://www.qrz.com/callsign/N1WVQ ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@optusnet.com.au Tue Feb 05 01:45:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67859 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2008 09:45:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2008 09:45:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.185) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2008 09:45:22 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d58-106-69-183.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [58.106.69.183]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m159jAb1001965; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 20:45:17 +1100 To: Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 20:45:10 +1100 Message-ID: <00b801c867db$ccf0efe0$0301010a@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Achn03imrkVj9mMJR6aWSktm01JiSgAAuiJQ In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=RAbfAIFvuaJ7gaeHoOdjONXJ0ZPz8lfgdWgLotErGKBt X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 From: Amy Mousie Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ > OK, for you, Ian, I'll translate Jay's closing for you: > 73 = Old Morse shorthand for "goodbye" or "see you later"; > N1WVQ = He's a ham in New England (specifically the state > of Rhode Island; > V31VQ = He's got a ham license in Belize, Central America, > just on the south end of Mexico; > WQBI410 = He's a licensed General Mobile Radio Service (*) > operator. (*: GMRS is like CB, except licensed(**), and uses > frequencies in the lower UHF band, just below UHF TV and > above the 440MHz ham band.) (**:CB is unlicensed in the US.) Thanks Amy I knew it must have meant something relevant. :) God bless you Amy! You have been a beacon in our quest for broadcast AM stereo. You are so knowledgeable and have been a wonderful advocate. It was you who came up with the concept of the IAAAS - International Association for the Advancement of AM Stereo. Then wanted the words to be changed to International Alliance of Advocates for AM Stereo. I never understood why at the time ... but I do now. Then that particular AMS list imploded ... several still on this list were responsible. Hi Bob! They were wonderful days. I thought we could change the world. At least some of us had a go! It's good that KT's Forum is still here. Thanks Kevin. I still enjoy reading this stuff, but in Oz ... the Cause is lost. And I'm so pleased to say that a BCC of this message is going to Alex in Canada - the founder of AM Stereo websites - and probably will be the only winner we ever have. If it wasn't for Alex I mightn't be here. No matter how many Jesus' weve had on different AMS lists ... Alex was and is God ... at least as far as AMS is concerned. Ian Melbourne From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Feb 05 11:19:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79805 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2008 19:19:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2008 19:19:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.204) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2008 19:19:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 62816 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2008 19:19:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3ymcqmAVM1k5pDIHof0hQJfLMNdd6QPITBGC_xbuptmSXokPrXWg3nGylOkgt1mP.DUp0Vtd5aShDLuT_5TSIxoQSEh6LG8wJaC5vhlYDuM2cmLdfk0- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:19:52 PST Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:19:52 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <561944.62194.qm@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=phjNCvmeDzcnYZpM9AHk0_r8eqhUuOCz-tg1fSB0EtV1cQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Now THERES a scenario I'd love to see happen! Music on AM again, with LIVE DJs running tight boards, real PAMS jingles, a big border-blaster or two, and the only talk show allowed would be Coast2Coast. OK, somebody wake me up now... George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/2/08 9:44:17 A.M. Central > Standard Time, > scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > > Maybe Obama may change things ... I hope so ... but > even he seems filthy > rich. > > > > He or Hillary will bring back the Fairness Doctrine. > When stations have to > play an hour of Sam Seder for every hour of Rush and > an hour of Randi Rhodes > (who is really hot) for every hour of Laura Ingram, > Talk Radio will go the > way of Joe Pine and Morton Downey, becoming just a > bad dream. > > Than Top 40 can return to fill the programming > vacuum and it will be Happy > Days again. > > Mike > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all > time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Feb 05 11:21:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42140 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2008 19:21:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2008 19:21:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.182) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2008 19:21:12 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so3007224pyi.11 for ; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:21:12 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.75.15 with SMTP id c15mr9771147pyl.37.1202239271396; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:21:11 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:21:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80802051121s697b23efna88fa03e544fe4f9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:21:11 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <561944.62194.qm@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <561944.62194.qm@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=b2cOGCzhkzNno7iEjB74K_T-iregD-y0aOj1Q2QbXPyAR5eahE8CkxbU X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, keep dreamin... Paul On Feb 5, 2008 2:19 PM, george russell wrote: > Now THERES a scenario I'd love to see happen! Music > on AM again, with LIVE DJs running tight boards, real > PAMS jingles, a big border-blaster or two, and the > only talk show allowed would be Coast2Coast. > OK, somebody wake me up now... > George > > --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 2/2/08 9:44:17 A.M. Central > > Standard Time, > > scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > > > > Maybe Obama may change things ... I hope so ... but > > even he seems filthy > > rich. > > > > > > > > He or Hillary will bring back the Fairness Doctrine. > > When stations have to > > play an hour of Sam Seder for every hour of Rush and > > an hour of Randi Rhodes > > (who is really hot) for every hour of Laura Ingram, > > Talk Radio will go the > > way of Joe Pine and Morton Downey, becoming just a > > bad dream. > > > > Than Top 40 can return to fill the programming > > vacuum and it will be Happy > > Days again. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all > > time on AOL Music. > > > ( > http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > > 48) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Tue Feb 05 20:51:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77148 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 04:51:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2008 04:51:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.141) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 04:51:22 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 04:51:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 04:51:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 04:51:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 04:51:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <561944.62194.qm@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=-_LBXp3l1oXh5tY5s9hSHnQLu_NI8J5h-eYzuqGHZZ8woH3w_a9o X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 George... you and our friends on this list and friends of friends=20 scrounge together the coin... and we'll have the Northeast-US' first=20 next generation Canadian Border blaster at 1070 in April. The month which CBA 1070 Moncton comes to an end. I don't care if=20 I'm only 29... I still pulsate from hearing the 1968 hit "Born to be=20 wild" by Steppenwolf. Back time to the 20/20 news sounder with The=20 Birds.. "Turn, turn, turn". Grins Bob=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > Now THERES a scenario I'd love to see happen! Music > on AM again, with LIVE DJs running tight boards, real > PAMS jingles, a big border-blaster or two, and the > only talk show allowed would be Coast2Coast. > OK, somebody wake me up now... > George > --- mjgrant@... wrote: >=20 > >=20=20 > > In a message dated 2/2/08 9:44:17 A.M. Central > > Standard Time,=20=20 > > scottn0bst@... writes: > >=20 > > Maybe Obama may change things ... I hope so ... but > > even he seems filthy > > rich.=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > He or Hillary will bring back the Fairness Doctrine. > > When stations have to=20 > > play an hour of Sam Seder for every hour of Rush and > > an hour of Randi Rhodes=20 > > (who is really hot) for every hour of Laura Ingram, > > Talk Radio will go the=20 > > way of Joe Pine and Morton Downey, becoming just a > > bad dream. > >=20=20 > > Than Top 40 can return to fill the programming > > vacuum and it will be Happy=20=20 > > Days again. > >=20=20 > > Mike > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all > > time on AOL Music.=20=20=20=20=20 > > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy? NCID=3Daolcmp003000000025 > > 48) > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and=20 > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.=20=20 http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=3DAhu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 05 22:11:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49728 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 06:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2008 06:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 06:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 06:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 06:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 06:11:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 06:11:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80802051121s697b23efna88fa03e544fe4f9@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.14 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=fiHnahrKVTawiSDdWic1Q32bm5v4pDX1OidWL_cJHKfAbEQbHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 wrote: > > Yeah, keep dreamin... >=20 > Paul >=20 >=20 I think there must be more than dreamers here. How can we resuscitate a dead who seems to want to stay dead? For a long time the AM band was forced to be "the second hand=20 people", in comparison with the FM band, and nobody did something!!! With the "new" AM STEREO technology could have to do a great war=20 against the FM band in the '80 decade BUT... instead of... the AM=20 broadcasters chose the "talk format", in stereo!!! Now some guys are trying, desperately, to sell a "brand new" trick=20 (IBOC). I wonder "for what". Who wants to hear more "talking=20 programs" or endless advertising campaign with digital sound? I think a good dream can't change the things. The only one way to fight and to win the war is back to the music,=20 music on the air, free and asked by the listeners "on the fly". But, my last question: Why to make a good effort (to broascast good=20 music) if the tuners quality is so bad? Yesterday I got in a=20 webpage, from a prestigious audio/radio tuners/receivers maker, and=20 I saw their last model: US$ 1570. A monstrous equipment, with CD=20 audio input, Dolby Surround 7.1 Digital in/out, 250 Wts RMS per=20 channel, FM Stereo and... I guessed it had AM band because I saw=20 a "KHZ" in the LCD screen but it wasn't mentioned!!! When I read the=20 specs, I could see it really has an AM-MW section with... an=20 spectacular 5 KHZ audio bandwidth, not stereo of course. Such a=20 radio man!!! So, I repeat, I think there must be more than dreamers here. Just an idea. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Feb 05 22:15:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67662 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 06:14:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2008 06:14:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.182) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 06:14:59 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f31so2964171pyh.17 for ; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:14:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.84.9 with SMTP id m9mr10461517pyl.6.1202278499322; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:14:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 22:14:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80802052214k24c7ebe2w9e1b64be1631c1c9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 01:14:59 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80802051121s697b23efna88fa03e544fe4f9@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=jqdeDrwHkC2mPaTV2mGJz7XxpExCQjHay4ktmvhh55zjnn1OXfXdlagX X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Of course there are dreamers here, but those of us here who also work in radio and understand what the REALITY is. Paul On Feb 6, 2008 1:11 AM, jotape1960 wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > wrote: > > > > Yeah, keep dreamin... > > > > Paul > > > > > > I think there must be more than dreamers here. > > How can we resuscitate a dead who seems to want to stay dead? > > For a long time the AM band was forced to be "the second hand > people", in comparison with the FM band, and nobody did something!!! > > With the "new" AM STEREO technology could have to do a great war > against the FM band in the '80 decade BUT... instead of... the AM > broadcasters chose the "talk format", in stereo!!! > > Now some guys are trying, desperately, to sell a "brand new" trick > (IBOC). I wonder "for what". Who wants to hear more "talking > programs" or endless advertising campaign with digital sound? > > I think a good dream can't change the things. > > The only one way to fight and to win the war is back to the music, > music on the air, free and asked by the listeners "on the fly". > > But, my last question: Why to make a good effort (to broascast good > music) if the tuners quality is so bad? Yesterday I got in a > webpage, from a prestigious audio/radio tuners/receivers maker, and > I saw their last model: US$ 1570. A monstrous equipment, with CD > audio input, Dolby Surround 7.1 Digital in/out, 250 Wts RMS per > channel, FM Stereo and... I guessed it had AM band because I saw > a "KHZ" in the LCD screen but it wasn't mentioned!!! When I read the > specs, I could see it really has an AM-MW section with... an > spectacular 5 KHZ audio bandwidth, not stereo of course. Such a > radio man!!! > > So, I repeat, I think there must be more than dreamers here. > > Just an idea. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > >=20 > --=20 Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Feb 06 12:02:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48371 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 20:02:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2008 20:02:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 20:02:26 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.168] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080206135639002322800003> for ; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:56:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003901c868fb$23d37600$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:56:39 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=UPRBxyd97CzcN0ugAbXeDnuEsCOvdrXkV9yJmYB8fZa8UjPEZIS0 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dream on. Music is getting so expensive to program these days you'll likely see and end to a lot of stations instead. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Talk Radio will go the way of Joe Pine and Morton Downey, becoming just a bad dream. Than Top 40 can return to fill the programming vacuum and it will be Happy Days again. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Feb 06 12:03:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31234 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 20:03:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2008 20:03:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 20:03:33 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.168] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080206140213003260800003> for ; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:02:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <007c01c868fb$ea7252e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:02:13 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=a1xVQOqbGbubBKd4ijLzjJ4fS3So1ZwfdKURm7MjXPgZBNARwOTK X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unfortunately Canada won't cede the allocation to the US. We're fast approaching a time when we'll have a bunch of US directionals protecting nothing but some vacant allotments in Canada. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Welch George... you and our friends on this list and friends of friends scrounge together the coin... and we'll have the Northeast-US' first next generation Canadian Border blaster at 1070 in April. The month which CBA 1070 Moncton comes to an end. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Feb 06 13:35:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90082 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 21:35:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2008 21:35:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.204) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 21:35:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 99563 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2008 21:35:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iWiqZOQVM1ktzvQBVRdy90sDP35UE85qilydjTjRCQ8I4bcrxsxp3XxzV4BjY23pTDw8xURE4HSkDeZOxdYLVJJ_IyHGud5eHGPJszDebwfcphGAzPQ- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:35:32 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 13:35:32 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <886263.99137.qm@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=u-p9FOOfbXaY7RaQskfeFyMLVf7za8r9xtLZn_qBekGtVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Tell ya what...if I win the lotto, I'll hire Continental to build a 500 kW. plant, then use the rest of the loot to bribe, uh, I mean persuade the Canadian government to license it! I miss those days when a little one-tube regen or 6-transistor box was all you needed to hear the big rigs anywhere on the continent. But given today's ho-hum programming, it's probably just as well... 500 kW. of Rush? Heaven help me! George --- Bob Welch wrote: > George... you and our friends on this list and > friends of friends > scrounge together the coin... and we'll have the > Northeast-US' first > next generation Canadian Border blaster at 1070 in > April. > > The month which CBA 1070 Moncton comes to an end. I > don't care if > I'm only 29... I still pulsate from hearing the 1968 > hit "Born to be > wild" by Steppenwolf. Back time to the 20/20 news > sounder with The > Birds.. "Turn, turn, turn". > > Grins Bob > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > > wrote: > > > > Now THERES a scenario I'd love to see happen! > Music > > on AM again, with LIVE DJs running tight boards, > real > > PAMS jingles, a big border-blaster or two, and the > > only talk show allowed would be Coast2Coast. > > OK, somebody wake me up now... > > George > > --- mjgrant@... wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/2/08 9:44:17 A.M. Central > > > Standard Time, > > > scottn0bst@... writes: > > > > > > Maybe Obama may change things ... I hope so ... > but > > > even he seems filthy > > > rich. > > > > > > > > > > > > He or Hillary will bring back the Fairness > Doctrine. > > > When stations have to > > > play an hour of Sam Seder for every hour of Rush > and > > > an hour of Randi Rhodes > > > (who is really hot) for every hour of Laura > Ingram, > > > Talk Radio will go the > > > way of Joe Pine and Morton Downey, becoming just > a > > > bad dream. > > > > > > Than Top 40 can return to fill the programming > > > vacuum and it will be Happy > > > Days again. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of > all > > > time on AOL Music. > > > > > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy? > NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > > > 48) > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From robert.w.welch@att.net Wed Feb 06 13:49:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75581 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 21:49:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2008 21:49:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.220) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 21:49:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 21:49:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 21:49:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:49:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007c01c868fb$ea7252e0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=ehpnGTpn984JgO7qV2DTFbX-Rh618MKs3PbPCC9CF7JAKiK4oLyZ X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Who needs to get a frequency from the Canadians? I wasn't advocating=20 that at all... plus.. it wouldn't be a Border blaster after making it=20 American. Moncton in its own right is located right in a tidal=20 bore.. one of the most powerful in the world... which adds to its=20 nighttime listening area. Moncton is within 3 to 4 hours of the=20 Border.=20=20 Bob --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Unfortunately Canada won't cede the allocation to the US. We're=20 fast approaching a time when we'll have a bunch of US directionals=20 protecting nothing but some vacant allotments in Canada. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Bob Welch=20 > George... you and our friends on this list and friends of friends=20 > scrounge together the coin... and we'll have the Northeast-US'=20 first=20 > next generation Canadian Border blaster at 1070 in April. >=20 > The month which CBA 1070 Moncton comes to an end.=20 >=20 >=20 > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Feb 06 14:01:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17738 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 22:01:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2008 22:01:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.164) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 22:01:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 52066 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2008 22:01:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0ek6bDgVM1mns_ycJ1Clfor49gLAnTQHxGnZaBAwub0gN7gkJowmc.JTT_AQc9CKFaKT2c0GcQ-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:01:47 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:01:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <886263.99137.qm@web32411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <916118.49372.qm@web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=4_mI0ekRJ_ecXKRFnHir9jm6h4wZJvmh94fLPIAk7jQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- george russell wrote: > Tell ya what...if I win the lotto, I'll hire > Continental to build a 500 kW. > plant, then use the rest of the loot to bribe, uh, I > mean persuade > the Canadian government to license it! Low power! Harris ALREADY has the DX-2000. If the DX-50 is 50,000 watts.......yep 2 mil. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From robert.w.welch@att.net Wed Feb 06 14:13:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84209 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 22:13:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2008 22:13:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 22:13:27 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 22:13:27 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 22:13:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 22:13:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:13:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <916118.49372.qm@web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=9b7USCRb8bisyFQ-k1Hw4LHdjT-xptg6Za89876t-33oStxGDJRh X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 That and Radio Canada International already has their very visible=20 antenna farm in nearby Sackville, NB. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- george russell wrote: >=20 > > Tell ya what...if I win the lotto, I'll hire > > Continental to build a 500 kW. > > plant, then use the rest of the loot to bribe, uh, I > > mean persuade > > the Canadian government to license it!=20=20 >=20 >=20 > Low power! Harris ALREADY has the DX-2000. If the > DX-50 is 50,000 watts.......yep 2 mil.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Feb 06 14:25:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73888 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 22:25:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2008 22:25:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 22:25:17 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.243] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080206162443000645700003> for ; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:24:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00ce01c8690f$d5059d40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:24:43 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=QtHbjQD5Ze04bdlmcYrQmWgjQOTpiUiClA7SL2udYb-vfFEnK4qd X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you think they'd let some Americans own what you're proposing? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Welch To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Who needs to get a frequency from the Canadians? I wasn't advocating that at all... plus.. it wouldn't be a Border blaster after making it American. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Wed Feb 06 14:59:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19412 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 22:59:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2008 22:59:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.134) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 22:59:14 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 22:59:14 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 22:59:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2008 22:59:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:59:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00ce01c8690f$d5059d40$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=k1LhYLlCTYdkWtJVdln1Dt5S_bY5DMgjOHgtVzgTUAMlV96Ax7tD X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 I wouldn't be thinking it from that point of view... Why wouldn't=20 Maritimers want their own full-service radio station... basically,=20 the anchoring funds would be theirs.. They know too well how much=20 freight along with pleasure travel happens between The Cities of=20 Halifax... Saint John... Moncton... Fredericton and Portland to=20 Boston. The land border crossing 4 hours from that transmitter is=20 the 6th largest in traffic going back and forth between there and the=20 west coast. They know that themselves more than most Americans do. To be an employee of a Canadian company as an American is extremely=20 easy... to be an investor is likely easier.. especially there. Plus,=20 the historical familial ties between the Atlantic Canadians and New=20 England is a priceless asset. Bob I know the most experienced broadcast meteorologist in that=20 region on a personal basis... Peter Coade now at CBC Nova Scotia..=20 Ironically, his national network is who is relinquishing the freq...=20 However with dynamic full-time regional programming... I always=20 say... the possibilities are endless. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Do you think they'd let some Americans own what you're proposing?=20=20 >=20 > Scott > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Bob Welch=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 >=20 > Who needs to get a frequency from the Canadians? I wasn't=20 advocating=20 > that at all... plus.. it wouldn't be a Border blaster after=20 making it=20 > American. >=20 >=20 > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Feb 06 15:27:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16376 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 23:27:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2008 23:27:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 23:27:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73833 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2008 23:27:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yVjIUt8VM1luXwWes_xHu6WAA3JcVvbmkUaOINTapy4N0pJktNfRr.4OhOPk9KiGJqCNnSHnwF63uzURMYYI1QjIXGcix4Wt5hAUigOQyTvORH4AHQg- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:27:09 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:27:09 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <153603.69921.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=wv3o-Bmq1hAvH4o51cQRiEzsQDI-iEMFDUFuQugJ3pIJWw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 The whole idea of a border-blaster is to serve a market in a neighboring country, free from the wattage or programming restrictions of the target country. It wasn't always without political repercussions, and it got nasty more than once, but that just added to the mystique! Things are better today. I think each country on this continent should have a few clear channels, with high power, specifically for targeting their neighbors. The old NARBA treaty was a good thing, and I'd like to see it re-signed. Mexico actually considered putting their now-defunct shortwave programming on XERF, but with all the dozens of locals all over 1570 at night lately, I doubt it would work very well...too bad! My favorite U.S. produced program is only available here on a Canadian station. Fortunately, radio waves don't respect borders! Border-blasting has a long, colorful, wild, and yes, at times naughty history, but it is an idea that still holds a lot of merit today. AM's biggest advantage is it's ability to go great distances, without regard to borders or cultures, and maybe we should again learn to exploit that ability. "When we stop JAMMING each other, and can LISTEN to each other, then we can finally get to KNOW each other!" A NARBA delegate said that before I was born...it still makes sense today. Just $0.02 from a guy who sorely misses the big voices in the dark... George --- Bob Welch wrote: > Who needs to get a frequency from the Canadians? I > wasn't advocating > that at all... plus.. it wouldn't be a Border > blaster after making it > American. Moncton in its own right is located right > in a tidal > bore.. one of the most powerful in the world... > which adds to its > nighttime listening area. Moncton is within 3 to 4 > hours of the > Border. > > Bob > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > wrote: > > > > Unfortunately Canada won't cede the allocation to > the US. We're > fast approaching a time when we'll have a bunch of > US directionals > protecting nothing but some vacant allotments in > Canada. > > > > Scott Todd > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bob Welch > > George... you and our friends on this list and > friends of friends > > scrounge together the coin... and we'll have the > Northeast-US' > first > > next generation Canadian Border blaster at 1070 > in April. > > > > The month which CBA 1070 Moncton comes to an > end. > > > > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Feb 06 15:30:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7010 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 23:30:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2008 23:30:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 23:30:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 75917 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2008 23:30:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: haIsOPcVM1m_3Rug37W8ZtXQVSG.TgNFEJKVNCB0sVpo18zCKUYwbIQntD1038sYYuiNiVYk9OamJc1ZjrxB_FjFKDFU_A84ms7KNrGfwcqmu5n0Z5Q- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:30:15 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:30:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <916118.49372.qm@web34715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <487416.73900.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=OxzPjWx-ilBKDi7CofZOeSEqUV4rMt0t12HMjhmzRoGMHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 NOW you're talkin'! Make those fences, dental filings, and tin roofs SING! Make streetlights flicker and pulse, and make the crystal set a viable reciever again...you got MY vote! George --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- george russell wrote: > > > Tell ya what...if I win the lotto, I'll hire > > Continental to build a 500 kW. > > plant, then use the rest of the loot to bribe, uh, > I > > mean persuade > > the Canadian government to license it! > > > Low power! Harris ALREADY has the DX-2000. If the > DX-50 is 50,000 watts.......yep 2 mil. > > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Feb 06 15:33:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39313 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2008 23:33:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2008 23:33:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2008 23:33:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87246 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2008 23:33:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SS5x80sVM1lPjoNyPWA_b8ubXwNnDWFqERQeaAcGdMgdQ30aUY0A00N4GMClb8QboD.GpNgSn5ACqEYwHei1gSru_8_1ULURyE0g0trrWK1PYCkGymg- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:33:07 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:33:07 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00ce01c8690f$d5059d40$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <888385.86624.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=nSAgl-C5QCK8Qbwl_NS3aH2402Zq07jG_wSJeIGXOL7lhQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Sure, you just get a Canadian(s) to own it on paper. That trick still works today along the Rio Grande. G --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > Do you think they'd let some Americans own what > you're proposing? > > Scott > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Welch > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Who needs to get a frequency from the Canadians? > I wasn't advocating > that at all... plus.. it wouldn't be a Border > blaster after making it > American. > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Feb 06 17:11:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 134 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 01:11:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2008 01:11:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 01:11:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23791 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2008 01:11:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1pV9G80VM1kxvsreb7C8wZk7gAoCe6757w86UiutqXwOtWF9Wfx04XLNpalBfRy0McjynUNskg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.25] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:11:27 PST Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 17:11:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <487416.73900.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <301318.21999.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=AGy177jRnTBaCxYKFZIinPB7cJYdzbt6HR_pqgokAGw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- george russell wrote: > NOW you're talkin'! Make those fences, dental > filings, and tin roofs SING! Make streetlights > flicker and pulse, and make the crystal set a viable > reciever again...you got MY vote! > George And there are some of these on the air. I think the 1521 in Saudi Arabia has one. It would be cool to fire one up on 1710.... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 06 17:21:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77746 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 01:21:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2008 01:21:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.212) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 01:21:58 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 01:21:58 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 01:21:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 01:21:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:21:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003901c868fb$23d37600$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.13.102 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=98jt7YesbdWKc8yVsjIccaLhJUfnNCfNuphFa-u2AEYfqDYx X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Dream on. Music is getting so expensive to program these days you'll likely see and end to a lot of stations instead. For a majority of contemporary music, this is true. However, there are various creative copyright/copyleft licenses out there, dominated by Creative Commons, that allow royalty-free music broadcasting and distribution. The RIAA doesn't WANT broadcasters to go this route, yet many musicians have abandoned the RIAA's clearinghouses for free and fair distribution. There are a number of sites dedicated to royalty-free creative works, the largest being the Internet Archive at http://www.archive.org :) I've been mining the IA's music archives for my own musical fix- They have every genre you can think of. :) If the music industry actually payed attention to just what today's youth WILL buy, instead of forcefeeding stations and stores with crap they won't, the industry wouldn't be complaining so much about the abailability of music on the internet- They made themselves very much irrelevant. Don't buy RIAA- They double-charge royalties for broadcasters and streamcasters. This wasn't the way it has been up until 20 years ago. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Feb 06 18:54:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10442 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 02:54:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2008 02:54:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu139-omc1-s13.blu139.hotmail.com) (65.55.175.153) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 02:54:38 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W28 ([65.55.162.182]) by blu139-omc1-s13.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:54:38 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 02:54:37 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: References: <00ce01c8690f$d5059d40$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2008 02:54:38.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7A9F7C0:01C86934] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.175.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=vD4HdlXr5W_2CJ2XfZgLP3YtQr14UQ7mPn5fZ8ehWF9NztgeQ8BzcI25xRI X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert, Wasn't 740 out of Toronto, a CBC outlet before the CBC gave that up? I know that 740 out of Toronto blankets Buffalo, Kenmore, Niagara Falls (Ontario and New York) as well as Youngstown,NY both day and night and..... if I'm not mistaking, I believe 740 does better in the Buffalo ratings than some of the Buffalo stations.(which wouldn't take much) Donn, in Canada's southernmost province--Florida To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: robert.w.welch@att.netDate: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 22:59:12 +0000Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in OZ I wouldn't be thinking it from that point of view... Why wouldn't Maritimers want their own full-service radio station... basically, the anchoring funds would be theirs.. They know too well how much freight along with pleasure travel happens between The Cities of Halifax... Saint John... Moncton... Fredericton and Portland to Boston. The land border crossing 4 hours from that transmitter is the 6th largest in traffic going back and forth between there and the west coast. They know that themselves more than most Americans do.To be an employee of a Canadian company as an American is extremely easy... to be an investor is likely easier.. especially there. Plus, the historical familial ties between the Atlantic Canadians and New England is a priceless asset.Bob I know the most experienced broadcast meteorologist in that region on a personal basis... Peter Coade now at CBC Nova Scotia.. Ironically, his national network is who is relinquishing the freq... However with dynamic full-time regional programming... I always say... the possibilities are endless.--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote:>> Do you think they'd let some Americans own what you're proposing? > > Scott> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Welch > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Who needs to get a frequency from the Canadians? I wasn't advocating > that at all... plus.. it wouldn't be a Border blaster after making it > American.> > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Feb 06 18:56:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77168 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 02:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2008 02:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.181) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 02:56:37 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id w53so3370555pyg.25 for ; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:56:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.26.14 with SMTP id d14mr11845251pyj.8.1202352995731; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:56:35 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:56:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80802061856i72323931lfc64f8f20d87c9e6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:56:35 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <00ce01c8690f$d5059d40$d503fea9@stodd> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=-3Q5N8aS3Ucg-0e_mp_NiapzVuQ0HkIM1Nfj0_u3ffT97mvntd-fJa7E X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, 740 CHWO used to be a CBC Outlet ANd thanks to Scott Fybush, here's a short audio clip of their last day on the air: http://www.fybushmedia.com/cbladieu.mp3 On Feb 6, 2008 9:54 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Robert, > > Wasn't 740 out of Toronto, a CBC outlet before the CBC gave that up? > > I know that 740 out of Toronto blankets Buffalo, Kenmore, Niagara Falls > (Ontario and New York) as well as Youngstown,NY both day and night and..... > if I'm not mistaking, I believe 740 does better in the Buffalo ratings than > some of the Buffalo stations.(which wouldn't take much) > > Donn, > in Canada's southernmost province--Florida > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: > robert.w.welch@att.netDate : Wed, 6 Feb 2008 > 22:59:12 +0000Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in OZ > > I wouldn't be thinking it from that point of view... Why wouldn't > Maritimers want their own full-service radio station... basically, the > anchoring funds would be theirs.. They know too well how much freight along > with pleasure travel happens between The Cities of Halifax... Saint John... > Moncton... Fredericton and Portland to Boston. The land border crossing 4 > hours from that transmitter is the 6th largest in traffic going back and > forth between there and the west coast. They know that themselves more than > most Americans do.To be an employee of a Canadian company as an American > is extremely easy... to be an investor is likely easier.. especially there. > Plus, the historical familial ties between the Atlantic Canadians and New > England is a priceless asset.Bob I know the most experienced broadcast > meteorologist in that region on a personal basis... Peter Coade now at CBC > Nova Scotia.. Ironically, his national network is who is relinquishing the > freq... However with dynamic full-time regional programming... I always > say... the possibilities are endless.--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > wrote:>> Do you think they'd let some Americans own what > you're proposing? > > Scott> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Welch > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Who needs to get a frequency from the Canadians? I wasn't advocating > that > at all... plus.. it wouldn't be a Border blaster after making it > > American.> > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html- $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---> > > [Non-text portions > of this message have been removed]> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Feb 06 19:25:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10155 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 03:25:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2008 03:25:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu139-omc1-s17.blu139.hotmail.com) (65.55.175.157) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 03:25:21 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W54 ([65.55.162.182]) by blu139-omc1-s17.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:25:20 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 03:25:20 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80802061856i72323931lfc64f8f20d87c9e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <00ce01c8690f$d5059d40$d503fea9@stodd> <8bce0fe80802061856i72323931lfc64f8f20d87c9e6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2008 03:25:20.0758 (UTC) FILETIME=[117DF960:01C86939] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.175.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=BjuZevzi2u0n2Z5U-5xvjlkn6qtB4W0XJBTMvidZbum8LHcTu40HMfiCOMI X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you very much Paul. I was hoping to get a response from someone in that region (such as yourself); rather than conjecture or opinions from people not in that region. The audio clip was very interesting and informative; I'm glad it gave the history it did. Now, since you are in that region; let me ask another question..... is 860 still French service CBC?, the reason I'm asking is that the last several times, I've been to my parents, I haven't been receiving French programming at night on 860. Here is St Petersburg, there is a local political talk station on 860 (also locals on 760- so no WJR here and a local on 1040, so no WHO here)..... so from here I can't tell at all what's going on at 860 out of Toronto. In fact I'm not able to receive 740 - CHWO here at all, but I'm amazed that in this day and age, this is an English formatted music station on a high powered a.m. frequency; it's also interesting that CBC is now having to use about 8 frequencies to fill the void left by abandoning 740. Thanks in advance for any info on my questions. Donn To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.comDate: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:56:35 -0500Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in OZ Yes, 740 CHWO used to be a CBC OutletANd thanks to Scott Fybush, here's a short audio clip of their last day onthe air:http://www.fybushmedia.com/cbladieu.mp3On Feb 6, 2008 9:54 PM, Donn Tillman wrote:> Robert,>> Wasn't 740 out of Toronto, a CBC outlet before the CBC gave that up?>> I know that 740 out of Toronto blankets Buffalo, Kenmore, Niagara Falls> (Ontario and New York) as well as Youngstown,NY both day and night and.....> if I'm not mistaking, I believe 740 does better in the Buffalo ratings than> some of the Buffalo stations.(which wouldn't take much)>> Donn,> in Canada's southernmost province--Florida>>> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom:> robert.w.welch@att.netDate : Wed, 6 Feb 2008> 22:59:12 +0000Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in OZ>> I wouldn't be thinking it from that point of view... Why wouldn't> Maritimers want their own full-service radio station... basically, the> anchoring funds would be theirs.. They know too well how much freight along> with pleasure travel happens between The Cities of Halifax... Saint John...> Moncton... Fredericton and Portland to Boston. The land border crossing 4> hours from that transmitter is the 6th largest in traffic going back and> forth between there and the west coast. They know that themselves more than> most Americans do.To be an employee of a Canadian company as an American> is extremely easy... to be an investor is likely easier.. especially there.> Plus, the historical familial ties between the Atlantic Canadians and New> England is a priceless asset.Bob I know the most experienced broadcast> meteorologist in that region on a personal basis... Peter Coade now at CBC> Nova Scotia.. Ironically, his national network is who is relinquishing the> freq... However with dynamic full-time regional programming... I always> say... the possibilities are endless.--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com,> wrote:>> Do you think they'd let some Americans own what> you're proposing? > > Scott> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Welch> > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >> Who needs to get a frequency from the Canadians? I wasn't advocating > that> at all... plus.. it wouldn't be a Border blaster after making it >> American.> > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html- $8.25/mo! --> http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---> > > [Non-text portions> of this message have been removed]>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>> >-- Sincerely,Paul B. Walker, Jr.www.walkerbroadcasting.comwww.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Feb 06 19:27:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84562 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 03:27:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2008 03:27:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.178) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 03:27:23 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so3269542pyi.0 for ; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:27:20 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.116.12 with SMTP id t12mr11832549pym.52.1202354839068; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:27:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:27:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80802061927r2072fa79g63071744580bf037@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 22:27:18 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <00ce01c8690f$d5059d40$d503fea9@stodd> <8bce0fe80802061856i72323931lfc64f8f20d87c9e6@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=ZfFrlrsOP2qczt7ao1HPSH8milgJXNOVlF1sCyODOAn4aZZ5CdrYg4G5 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 860 is still French.. I heard them the other week playing music with french announcers. Paul On Feb 6, 2008 10:25 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Thank you very much Paul. > > I was hoping to get a response from someone in that region (such as > yourself); rather than conjecture or opinions from people not in that > region. > > The audio clip was very interesting and informative; I'm glad it gave the > history it did. > > Now, since you are in that region; let me ask another question..... is 860 > still French service CBC?, the reason I'm asking is that the last several > times, I've been to my parents, I haven't been receiving French programming > at night on 860. Here is St Petersburg, there is a local political talk > station on 860 (also locals on 760- so no WJR here and a local on 1040, so > no WHO here)..... so from here I can't tell at all what's going on at 860 > out of Toronto. > > In fact I'm not able to receive 740 - CHWO here at all, but I'm amazed > that in this day and age, this is an English formatted music station on a > high powered a.m. frequency; it's also interesting that CBC is now having > to use about 8 frequencies to fill the void left by abandoning 740. > > Thanks in advance for any info on my questions. > > Donn > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: > walkerbroadcasting@gmail.comDate : > Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:56:35 -0500Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in OZ > > Yes, 740 CHWO used to be a CBC OutletANd thanks to Scott Fybush, here's a > short audio clip of their last day onthe air: > http://www.fybushmedia.com/cbladieu.mp3On Feb 6, 2008 9:54 PM, Donn > Tillman > > wrote:> Robert,>> Wasn't 740 out of Toronto, a CBC outlet before the CBC > gave that up?>> I know that 740 out of Toronto blankets Buffalo, Kenmore, > Niagara Falls> (Ontario and New York) as well as Youngstown,NY both day and > night and.....> if I'm not mistaking, I believe 740 does better in the > Buffalo ratings than> some of the Buffalo stations.(which wouldn't take > much)>> Donn,> in Canada's southernmost province--Florida>>> To: > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom :> > robert.w.welch@att.netDate < > robert.w.welch%40att.netDate>: Wed, 6 Feb 2008> 22:59:12 +0000Subject: > {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in OZ>> I wouldn't be thinking it from that point of > view... Why wouldn't> Maritimers want their own full-service radio > station... basically, the> anchoring funds would be theirs.. They know too > well how much freight along> with pleasure travel happens between The Cities > of Halifax... Saint John...> Moncton... Fredericton and Portland to Boston. > The land border crossing 4> hours from that transmitter is the 6th largest > in traffic going back and> forth between there and the west coast. They know > that themselves more than> most Americans do.To be an employee of a > Canadian company as an American> is extremely easy... to be an investor is > likely easier.. especially there.> Plus, the historical familial ties > between the Atlantic Canadians and New> England is a priceless asset.Bob I > know the most experienced broadcast> meteorologist in that region on a > personal basis... Peter Coade now at CBC> Nova Scotia.. Ironically, his > national network is who is relinquishing the> freq... However with dynamic > full-time regional programming... I always> say... the possibilities are > endless.--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com,> > wrote:>> Do you think they'd let some Americans own what> > you're proposing? > > Scott> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Welch> > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > >> Who needs to get a frequency from the > Canadians? I wasn't advocating > that> at all... plus.. it wouldn't be a > Border blaster after making it >> American.> > > --- > http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html < > http://usfamily.net/dialup.html>- $8.25/mo! --> > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---> > > [Non-text portions> > of this message have been removed]>>> [Non-text portions of this message > have been removed]>> >-- Sincerely,Paul B. Walker, > Jr.www.walkerbroadcasting.comwww.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting[Non-textportions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Wed Feb 06 20:34:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36976 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 04:34:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2008 04:34:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 04:34:40 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c82.24ac7634 (34976) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 23:34:32 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home18fde9342f (75-165-62-124.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.62.124]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA081-88a047aa8a56b0; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:34:31 -0500 Message-ID: <002b01c86942$bf8595a0$6401a8c0@home18fde9342f> To: References: Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:34:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.62.124 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=2r9MJZ0jVONhA6LuQSiLdZo1jrtVbzSeKHQyrBPQjkc5dR0EP3Lz X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there any sites that offer music from the christian music johnrah? every johnra in that type of music eg christian rock, rap, etc etc? ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Dream on. Music is getting so expensive to program these days you'll likely see and end to a lot of stations instead. For a majority of contemporary music, this is true. However, there are various creative copyright/copyleft licenses out there, dominated by Creative Commons, that allow royalty-free music broadcasting and distribution. The RIAA doesn't WANT broadcasters to go this route, yet many musicians have abandoned the RIAA's clearinghouses for free and fair distribution. There are a number of sites dedicated to royalty-free creative works, the largest being the Internet Archive at http://www.archive.org :) I've been mining the IA's music archives for my own musical fix- They have every genre you can think of. :) If the music industry actually payed attention to just what today's youth WILL buy, instead of forcefeeding stations and stores with crap they won't, the industry wouldn't be complaining so much about the abailability of music on the internet- They made themselves very much irrelevant. Don't buy RIAA- They double-charge royalties for broadcasters and streamcasters. This wasn't the way it has been up until 20 years ago. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Wed Feb 06 20:43:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68649 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 04:43:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2008 04:43:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.140) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 04:43:20 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 04:43:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 04:43:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 04:43:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:43:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=Qc2A9myvc1YIYWXZzW6vrVmrZbDzn6t1nA7xP4tJdv7tiOBbRU3W X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Yes, CBL was 740 CBC Radio (now, Radio One) Toronto... and CBM 940=20 was the same network in Montreal. Montreal is now at 88.5=20 transmitting from that lighted cross which is on all the nighttime=20 cityscapes we see on postcards the tourists buy. One slight=20 engineering hick up... with that plan.. CBMT broadcasts English=20 Television on VHF 6.. so you could say that CBC has itself for its=20 largest contributer to its own TVI and RFI.. so ironic you wanna=20 burst out laughing. The turned down 88.5 signal is so week that the primary signal of 940=20 must now be covered with a 104.7 in the same city to cover its own=20 west end... and a 101.9 in Cowansville near the Bromont Ski area..=20 East of which the Quebec Community Network takes over with its=20 regional productions originating in a shared effort with Sherbrooke=20 and Quebec City. As you drive on Townships Autoroute 10.. east the=20 signal from Sherbrooke takes over at 91.7 FM. I know a post switch over frenzy to build out a network for CBL=20 Toronto's (then) impending listening area deficiency was may have=20 been similar to Montreals... but, as I live in Vermont (and have=20 always lived in New England)... and traveled extensively in New=20 Brunswick and Nova Scotia... I can't comment much more about=20 Toronto's particulars. Bob --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Donn Tillman=20 wrote: > > Robert, >=20=20 > Wasn't 740 out of Toronto, a CBC outlet before the CBC gave that up? >=20=20 > I know that 740 out of Toronto blankets Buffalo, Kenmore, Niagara=20 Falls (Ontario and New York) as well as Youngstown,NY both day and=20 night and..... if I'm not mistaking, I believe 740 does better in the=20 Buffalo ratings than some of the Buffalo stations.(which wouldn't=20 take much) >=20=20 > Donn, > in Canada's southernmost province--Florida >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > To: amstereoforum@...: robert.w.welch@...: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 22:59:12=20 +0000Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in OZ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I wouldn't be thinking it from that point of view... Why wouldn't=20 Maritimers want their own full-service radio station... basically,=20 the anchoring funds would be theirs.. They know too well how much=20 freight along with pleasure travel happens between The Cities of=20 Halifax... Saint John... Moncton... Fredericton and Portland to=20 Boston. The land border crossing 4 hours from that transmitter is the=20 6th largest in traffic going back and forth between there and the=20 west coast. They know that themselves more than most Americans do.To=20 be an employee of a Canadian company as an American is extremely=20 easy... to be an investor is likely easier.. especially there. Plus,=20 the historical familial ties between the Atlantic Canadians and New=20 England is a priceless asset.Bob I know the most experienced=20 broadcast meteorologist in that region on a personal basis... Peter=20 Coade now at CBC Nova Scotia.. Ironically, his national network is=20 who is relinquishing the freq... However with dynamic full-time=20 regional programming... I always say... the possibilities are=20 endless.--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote:>>=20 Do you think they'd let some Americans own what you're proposing? > >=20 Scott> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Welch > To:=20 amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Who needs to get a frequency from=20 the Canadians? I wasn't advocating > that at all... plus.. it=20 wouldn't be a Border blaster after making it > American.> > > ---=20 http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---> > > [Non-text=20 portions of this message have been removed]>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Feb 06 21:21:59 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93359 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 05:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2008 05:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n44c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.178) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 05:21:59 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 05:21:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 05:21:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 05:21:59 -0000 Date: 7 Feb 2008 05:21:58 -0000 Message-ID: <1202361718.13190.35865.w107@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Blizzard of 78.mp3 Uploaded by : bob_welch550 Description : A more serious reason for keeping 1070 working in an area that can get stormy. You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Blizzard%20of%2078.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, bob_welch550 From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 06 21:26:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86487 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 05:26:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2008 05:26:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.173) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 05:26:42 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 05:26:42 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 05:26:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 05:26:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:26:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.30.68.94 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=I91eytWxqDtojI1SexvCpGr4QEtUC2XwD2lhu8EQ64byf_BjvUi18Y7Ifi9ZxDR7Ze910byN X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Welch"=20 wrote: > > Yes, CBL was 740 CBC Radio (now, Radio One) Toronto... and CBM 940=20 > was the same network in Montreal. Montreal is now at 88.5=20 > transmitting from that lighted cross which is on all the nighttime=20 > cityscapes we see on postcards the tourists buy. One slight=20 > engineering hick up... with that plan.. CBMT broadcasts English=20 > Television on VHF 6.. so you could say that CBC has itself for its=20 > largest contributer to its own TVI and RFI.. so ironic you wanna=20 > burst out laughing. >=20 > The turned down 88.5 signal is so week that the primary signal of=20 940=20 > must now be covered with a 104.7 in the same city to cover its own=20 > west end... and a 101.9 in Cowansville near the Bromont Ski area..=20 > East of which the Quebec Community Network takes over with its=20 > regional productions originating in a shared effort with Sherbrooke=20 > and Quebec City. As you drive on Townships Autoroute 10.. east the=20 > signal from Sherbrooke takes over at 91.7 FM. >=20 > I know a post switch over frenzy to build out a network for CBL=20 > Toronto's (then) impending listening area deficiency was may have=20 > been similar to Montreals... but, as I live in Vermont (and have=20 > always lived in New England)... and traveled extensively in New=20 > Brunswick and Nova Scotia... I can't comment much more about=20 > Toronto's particulars. >=20 > Bob >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Donn Tillman=20 > wrote: > > > > Robert, > >=20=20 > > Wasn't 740 out of Toronto, a CBC outlet before the CBC gave that=20 up? > >=20=20 > > I know that 740 out of Toronto blankets Buffalo, Kenmore, Niagara=20 > Falls (Ontario and New York) as well as Youngstown,NY both day and=20 > night and..... if I'm not mistaking, I believe 740 does better in=20 the=20 > Buffalo ratings than some of the Buffalo stations.(which wouldn't=20 > take much) > >=20=20 > > Donn, > > in Canada's southernmost province--Florida > >=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@: robert.w.welch@: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 22:59:12=20 > +0000Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo in OZ > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > I wouldn't be thinking it from that point of view... Why wouldn't=20 > Maritimers want their own full-service radio station... basically,=20 > the anchoring funds would be theirs.. They know too well how much=20 > freight along with pleasure travel happens between The Cities of=20 > Halifax... Saint John... Moncton... Fredericton and Portland to=20 > Boston. The land border crossing 4 hours from that transmitter is=20 the=20 > 6th largest in traffic going back and forth between there and the=20 > west coast. They know that themselves more than most Americans=20 do.To=20 > be an employee of a Canadian company as an American is extremely=20 > easy... to be an investor is likely easier.. especially there.=20 Plus,=20 > the historical familial ties between the Atlantic Canadians and New=20 > England is a priceless asset.Bob I know the most experienced=20 > broadcast meteorologist in that region on a personal basis... Peter=20 > Coade now at CBC Nova Scotia.. Ironically, his national network is=20 > who is relinquishing the freq... However with dynamic full-time=20 > regional programming... I always say... the possibilities are=20 > endless.--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, =20 wrote:>>=20 > Do you think they'd let some Americans own what you're proposing? >=20 >=20 > Scott> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Welch > To:=20 > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Who needs to get a frequency from=20 > the Canadians? I wasn't advocating > that at all... plus.. it=20 > wouldn't be a Border blaster after making it > American.> > > ---=20 > http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! --=20 > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---> > > [Non-text=20 > portions of this message have been removed]>=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Gang What town dose CBC 1 1010 AM come from? I can get that one=20 some times here in Northern Californa. Jim S From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 06 22:32:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61662 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 06:32:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2008 06:32:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.140) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 06:32:08 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 06:32:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 06:32:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 06:32:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 06:32:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002b01c86942$bf8595a0$6401a8c0@home18fde9342f> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.22.41 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Lo9hbgz0n3-8Mh1ceB8fCzuB73Tlcm5TKQy3jzKpLPXDumOz X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > there any sites that offer music from the christian music johnrah? every johnra in that type of music eg christian rock, rap, etc etc? Might be- and the word is spelled "genre", for what it's worth. :) Most of what I get are oldies, reggae, world, classical and experimental electronic. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Feb 06 22:36:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79039 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 06:36:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2008 06:36:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n2c.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.233) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 06:36:02 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n2.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 06:36:01 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 06:36:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 06:36:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 06:36:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.22.41 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Y0j_U6ARc3SxuKy2dbFxL-hC8pON5hizv_PFH3bGuYRkhBnP X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > Hi Gang What town dose CBC 1 1010 AM come from? I can get that one=20 > some times here in Northern Californa. Jim S Calgary, Alberta, if I recall. Just a few slots away from CKMX on 1060, same city. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From philipr@irac.pe.ca Thu Feb 07 04:54:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: philipr@irac.pe.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52974 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 12:54:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2008 12:54:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 12:54:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 12:54:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2008 12:54:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 12:53:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 142.176.20.3 From: "Phil" Subject: BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=95173723; y=r6rwQHpVzW4isdZBt41xNKTUyu5FzgtCnGZGQPKEhp-Pmpwhok_8 X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Oh yes, if I won lotto 6-49, I would be applying for the following: Callsign: CIHI Frequency: 1070 Power 50KW Class A Format: Top 40 Boss radio AM Stereo Tower: 1 192 degree broadband tower, with 3/4 wavelength ground radials Site location: Tantramar Marshes [salt marsh] 900 CKDH is on the NS=20 side, RCI is on the NB side. Or, maybe I'd just buy CKDH from MBS Radio and replace 1KW on 900 KHz=20 with 50 KW on 1070 KHz. And, Robert W. Morgan and the Real Don Steele would be smiling from=20 above! Keep in mind that any station in Canada must be at least 80% Canadian=20 owned and the CRTC can see through any corporate entanglements. But=20 hey, if I do win 6-49, I'll keep 20% open for you folks! And, I'd scoop up Daryl MacLean from 1580 CKDO. Tina Delgado is ALIVE! Phil Rafuse VY2PR Stratford PEI Canada From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Feb 07 06:22:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82799 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 14:22:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2008 14:22:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ti-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.142.189) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 14:22:13 -0000 X-Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b8so507031tic.9 for ; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 06:22:12 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.110.5.14 with SMTP id 14mr6201909tie.10.1202394132628; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 06:22:12 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [75.106.106.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i38sm16990158wxd.16.2008.02.07.06.21.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 07 Feb 2008 06:22:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <8519EADC-C999-499C-ACCE-94258097CB3C@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:21:37 -0600 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.142.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=V-YIaYc4kC9fTp1RzJMT97tdlozNzVXbDHTN-lmMmwL9t2ze9kf2OL7bApcBDA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Feb 7, 2008, at 6:53 AM, Phil wrote: > Oh yes, if I won lotto 6-49, I would be applying for the following: I would rescue poor WRNO from the Preachers who won't put it back on the Air. Yea Buddy WRNO on a 500 KW BBC Transmitter! :-) And / or..Rescue KUSW from the TBN Nuts. Hire Timtron WA1HLR as the Program Director and Engineer. Greaseman as Morning man and Jazz Mckay afternoon drive. Use AC/DC's "Rock And Roll Ain't Noise Pollution" as the interval Signal. Hmmm, scratch that. Apply for another Freq for WRNO and just give that one to Timtron! REAL Radio will return to the air if I hit that Power Ball! Kevin From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Feb 07 06:59:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85714 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 14:59:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2008 14:59:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.232) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 14:59:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 41848 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2008 14:59:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IbH7WIMVM1l077nd4Ec2KdnZ8CWY2hpUbrJLbj1tX8JfgxniZEOuhivhn7dfR1HlO1Npzg8iEV9lcn6WBnhWIFScdEDLGWHgjQE.Iw1I2kYUuJX_tCIuViVUP08CjA-- X-Received: from [64.222.43.143] by web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 06:59:22 PST Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 06:59:22 -0800 (PST) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <550415.40889.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Looks like we can ADD one. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=aDm7bcQrjxmAkmHLoBRYv56NaHyrajJE3lpNyUpepDiTMj9Si6qN X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From the A.B.D.X. list, a DXer snagged XEYJ/940 in Coahuilla, Mexico which advertises itself as "A.M. estereo en espanol." I don't have the community of license, but I think there's a way to go to the S.C.T. website from the F.C.C.'s. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 (Yup, a U.S. ham license issued in the New England call district, a foreign ham operating under a reciprocal license in Belize & the General Mobile Radio Service on 462 & 467Mc., evolved from the old U.S. C.B. Class A.) Now working on my General Radiotelephone Operator's License with Radar Endorsement (I have free time!) --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Feb 07 20:36:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91021 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 04:36:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 04:36:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 04:36:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 52464 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2008 04:36:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CQZI93QVM1khG7EDuNBYNQmpGpPDCnn6_IxK70S1Fx3VrcUCM7lWWUR10Z3h_H.btIifSAgixYeoP8RMtHcnLh4XP8mUSIdV68DuGM_8KzAAStPzogc- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:36:29 PST Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 20:36:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <717015.51898.qm@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=MHbgQNoU65_9rGx9wfaU_1IM15YQGXZgogQIxFZJyUavGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Judging by some of what's called "music" these days, the RIAA should be paying the STATIONS for the free exposure! G --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > wrote: > > > > Dream on. Music is getting so expensive to > program these days > you'll likely see and end to a lot of stations > instead. > > For a majority of contemporary music, this is true. > However, there are > various creative copyright/copyleft licenses out > there, dominated by > Creative Commons, that allow royalty-free music > broadcasting and > distribution. The RIAA doesn't WANT broadcasters to > go this route, yet > many musicians have abandoned the RIAA's > clearinghouses for free and > fair distribution. There are a number of sites > dedicated to > royalty-free creative works, the largest being the > Internet Archive at > http://www.archive.org :) I've been mining the IA's > music archives for > my own musical fix- They have every genre you can > think of. :) > > If the music industry actually payed attention to > just what today's > youth WILL buy, instead of forcefeeding stations and > stores with crap > they won't, the industry wouldn't be complaining so > much about the > abailability of music on the internet- They made > themselves very much > irrelevant. > > Don't buy RIAA- They double-charge royalties for > broadcasters and > streamcasters. This wasn't the way it has been up > until 20 years ago. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Feb 07 20:43:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49342 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 04:43:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 04:43:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.238) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 04:43:09 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2008 04:43:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2008 04:43:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2008 04:42:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:42:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <717015.51898.qm@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.22.41 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=EpobtE8flgiYyEzpFRIVnIDQFmY3KOC62e3_tC1V-YSskjQy X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Judging by some of what's called "music" these days, > the RIAA should be paying the STATIONS for the free > exposure! G They did- Didn't you read about the payola scandal a couple years back? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Feb 07 20:43:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92811 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 04:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 04:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.202) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 04:43:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1088 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2008 04:43:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lcla5E0VM1nJb6YftgMYcDE7SW2CTNZOC72jpr17JMrJ8vw5SX8kodyZCHbQ_JwuSQCcClTUvf7XJYhD4R17kcsOmxWj44cEo7qtVJBT3Y4X.XGhEjc- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:43:34 PST Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 20:43:34 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <264606.497.qm@web32409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=JAErWGjsAmx4E1vkauYbqLEsThczVrUPtSGD1xEBV8m5Dw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Let me know when that happens...I'm setting a button on my car radio in advance!!! (When you're hiring DJs, maybe get ex-WLS John "Records" Landecker, too...he was a heck of a Boss DJ!) --- Phil wrote: > Oh yes, if I won lotto 6-49, I would be applying for > the following: > > Callsign: CIHI > Frequency: 1070 > Power 50KW Class A > Format: Top 40 Boss radio > AM Stereo > Tower: 1 192 degree broadband tower, with 3/4 > wavelength ground radials > Site location: Tantramar Marshes [salt marsh] 900 > CKDH is on the NS > side, RCI is on the NB side. > > Or, maybe I'd just buy CKDH from MBS Radio and > replace 1KW on 900 KHz > with 50 KW on 1070 KHz. > > And, Robert W. Morgan and the Real Don Steele would > be smiling from > above! > > Keep in mind that any station in Canada must be at > least 80% Canadian > owned and the CRTC can see through any corporate > entanglements. But > hey, if I do win 6-49, I'll keep 20% open for you > folks! > > And, I'd scoop up Daryl MacLean from 1580 CKDO. > > Tina Delgado is ALIVE! > > Phil Rafuse VY2PR > Stratford PEI Canada > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Feb 07 20:49:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69336 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 04:49:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 04:49:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 04:49:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 43936 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2008 04:49:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 10LnIWwVM1lBjy28ToNQVoipN4M2r2S4ltEQaaVapgUwKC2JfVNotp3SoBWIEh__W8axY9EQ1Bq1LGTMdGNsFLuMrcIHmoCGU5YnCJsHTHleDt3HoHI- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:49:09 PST Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 20:49:09 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8519EADC-C999-499C-ACCE-94258097CB3C@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <274318.43180.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=yIksEO5P7xHzrmCk1ZmfBl_uHBO4vCkRbV4vt95jTLOv8w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Are you talking about WRNO that used to be on the 49m. band? Played top 40 out of Louisiana? Man, I thought they were gone for good, Preachers now? "Don't make me holler, don't make me shout, turn them pockets inside out! Send in that green seaweed of salvation NOW!" G --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > On Feb 7, 2008, at 6:53 AM, Phil wrote: > > > Oh yes, if I won lotto 6-49, I would be applying > for the following: > > > I would rescue poor WRNO from the Preachers who > won't put it back on > the Air. Yea Buddy WRNO on a 500 KW BBC Transmitter! > :-) And / > or..Rescue KUSW from the TBN Nuts. > > Hire Timtron WA1HLR as the Program Director and > Engineer. Greaseman as > Morning man and Jazz Mckay afternoon drive. Use > AC/DC's "Rock And Roll > Ain't Noise Pollution" as the interval Signal. Hmmm, > scratch that. > Apply for another Freq for WRNO and just give that > one to Timtron! > > REAL Radio will return to the air if I hit that > Power Ball! > > Kevin > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Feb 07 20:51:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79514 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 04:51:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 04:51:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 04:51:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61800 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2008 04:51:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qkLnltcVM1mpdkk1LV19cHtuX.XTc9aq4TW4toS_LPtmUvetKYkXrnqrhROrQqfcGB4.k4oVMPptdJ5478RJhPLxBXhpfVmkAZ2hPUxAMHGHN6EldBI- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:51:41 PST Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 20:51:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <550415.40889.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <714752.45402.qm@web32415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looks like we can ADD one. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=WievKuotjBJmwPyXLx93ckJ4-GjgAHI6Ig0Wdg3DkCMoaA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Cool! Just found out XEG in Monterrey is stereo, too. Gonna grab my old 'A-100 and go vacation in Mexico, amigos! G --- JNR wrote: > From the A.B.D.X. list, a DXer snagged XEYJ/940 in > Coahuilla, Mexico which advertises itself as "A.M. > estereo en espanol." I don't have the community of > license, but I think there's a way to go to the > S.C.T. website from the F.C.C.'s. > > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 > (Yup, a U.S. ham license issued in the New England > call district, a foreign ham operating under a > reciprocal license in Belize & the General Mobile > Radio Service on 462 & 467Mc., evolved from the old > U.S. C.B. Class A.) Now working on my General > Radiotelephone Operator's License with Radar > Endorsement (I have free time!) > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Feb 07 20:53:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17693 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 04:53:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 04:53:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.203) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 04:53:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6264 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2008 04:53:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FKF2rWgVM1lxfxnmj8BG9O.ZQO84VZxHG8N0YLTAB_wD6E2N8cvJEqoR8XAtG161NdH2L3cSbXv761KEsynm1DC4I2ku3BFiOdqpySdorDNTy2uTB72VybEtSAytcw-- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:53:47 PST Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 20:53:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <825901.5117.qm@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=JsRuJUnZNPX3Fl8o2WiWLhvd6YVmSovx_oO7PTmY-2AQwQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yeah, I remember that. Best way is for both parties to realize each is doing the other a service, and call it even...but not likely in these greedy days, I guess. G --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > wrote: > > > > Judging by some of what's called "music" these > days, > > the RIAA should be paying the STATIONS for the > free > > exposure! G > > They did- Didn't you read about the payola scandal a > couple years back? > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Feb 07 20:57:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48071 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 04:57:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 04:57:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 04:57:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 48704 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2008 04:57:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MfJdGFoVM1n0y4lotUAsDcvwKEMOm6DrS_15BdzOHbCjnP6wYF3s2ZVxEDsAFHCzqc4gnLCzcKY8gxHQcH3AZd.jd3FCIllFbVha61BCtI1n4MzKY.S3b8e8C8WRzg-- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:57:13 PST Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 20:57:13 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <542638.48491.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: What's on 1717 kHz? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=2y8QiPrrtNW2Y_TfQYDowoPBhQ63luGOZ8wiv0xgag2VKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Anybody know who's on 1716-1717 at night? I heard what sounded like Cuba, English-speaking female announcer, Latin music. Almost caught the ID, but the furnace kicked on just then...drat! George ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Feb 07 21:17:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19387 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 05:17:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 05:17:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.182) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 05:17:50 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so4199165pye.8 for ; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:17:49 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.100.6 with SMTP id c6mr13523809pym.14.1202447869159; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:17:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [75.106.106.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 71sm1412993wry.5.2008.02.07.21.17.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:17:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <391C2323-8715-4561-BCB5-5E40CED21010@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <274318.43180.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 23:17:24 -0600 References: <274318.43180.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=H7bY1-ga__1c7m-xzE-aMCjLPDCdxhwnIE89A3msYsgJ-ntdiq-jJuf1wj6wHg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Feb 7, 2008, at 10:49 PM, george russell wrote: > Are you talking about WRNO that used to be on the 49m band? That is the WRNO > Man, I thought they were gone for good, Preachers now? Preachers bought it, but it has not come back on the air yet. http://www.wrnoworldwide.org/ Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Feb 07 21:39:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68927 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 05:39:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 05:39:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 05:39:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 33272 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2008 05:39:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TkBd_00VM1niyGp.riiUvEQcdue0F2QjEfsEbMZwg5wjuu6ozcXMXdiS1paK67owECOkhUcvNjFSYRQZxZCb.QkB8fkg.lomcDlskGnQQLHZfdljGMs- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:39:07 PST Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 21:39:07 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <391C2323-8715-4561-BCB5-5E40CED21010@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <968456.32245.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=RQp_urWV-TiKHvYuZvpTr_A2LHYyee6h7Emv4yDyabX2ew X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 That was a good station back in the day! Some DJ named something- "Costello". Always thought it was kinda novel hearing Toyota commercials on a short-wave station. Didn't they have a MW with the same call sign, used to feed it to the SW sometimes? G --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > On Feb 7, 2008, at 10:49 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Are you talking about WRNO that used to be on the > 49m band? > > That is the WRNO > > > > Man, I thought they were gone for good, Preachers > now? > > Preachers bought it, but it has not come back on the > air yet. > > http://www.wrnoworldwide.org/ > > Kevin > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Feb 07 21:46:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82963 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 05:46:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 05:46:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 05:46:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 40952 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2008 05:46:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JV4agRYVM1lDx5sFvbS8qqpI3LTm0WQSXvwUMWZxZ69BrvmcxhKZpFL.vUM3gRb_yK2b9MjphdFlYY3Mp18i7B0MQRDO8hpfp3LdSI.ldsY.sUcTP9w- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:46:21 PST Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 21:46:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <391C2323-8715-4561-BCB5-5E40CED21010@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <855289.36115.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=D68dqE94h_3jygmN0tKSPnqpupnR2ckH_H7qskIcDX6dFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Sory, I hope I didn't offend anybody with the preacher remarks. Nothing against HONEST preachers, I love 'em if they are the real deal. I was poking fun at the charlatan dollar-a-holler pay-to-pray guys who bilked millions from their flocks...the guys who went from border radio to TV to SW to jail. No offense intended! George --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > On Feb 7, 2008, at 10:49 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Are you talking about WRNO that used to be on the > 49m band? > > That is the WRNO > > > > Man, I thought they were gone for good, Preachers > now? > > Preachers bought it, but it has not come back on the > air yet. > > http://www.wrnoworldwide.org/ > > Kevin > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Feb 07 21:47:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13184 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 05:47:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 05:47:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.229) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 05:47:10 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so3750555wxd.5 for ; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:47:10 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.205.13 with SMTP id c13mr5099699ybg.132.1202449630491; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:47:10 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [75.106.106.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 26sm7457924wra.27.2008.02.07.21.47.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:47:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <968456.32245.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 23:46:42 -0600 References: <968456.32245.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=7Ml1UwS-KkJp-nb9939_ozxtJJ5RA35nfDrnwZKKJKTh0owR0AOgC6bVvmpgMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Feb 7, 2008, at 11:39 PM, george russell wrote: > Some DJ named something-"Costello". Joe Costello owned the station. > Didn't they have a MW with the same call sign, used to feed it to > the SW sometimes? That was WRNO-FM "We Rock New Orleans". Kevin From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Feb 07 21:51:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48045 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 05:51:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 05:51:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.182) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 05:51:55 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v53so4415482pyh.33 for ; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:51:55 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.98.6 with SMTP id a6mr13561478pym.10.1202449914919; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:51:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 21:51:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80802072151w57ef32aakb336541ba7628268@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 00:51:54 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <968456.32245.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=RVEygT53X2P7RsplFBIib8xEsd86mNo3K4ToTWmrRahiJLwMeJqC959L X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And they are now "The New Voice Of New Orleans, 99.5 FM" WRNO with a News/talk format. Paul On Feb 8, 2008 12:46 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > > On Feb 7, 2008, at 11:39 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Some DJ named something-"Costello". > > Joe Costello owned the station. > > > Didn't they have a MW with the same call sign, used to feed it to > > the SW sometimes? > > That was WRNO-FM "We Rock New Orleans". > > Kevin > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Feb 07 21:52:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67745 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 05:52:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 05:52:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.234) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 05:52:46 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s18so3504730wxc.14 for ; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:52:45 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.49.15 with SMTP id w15mr5105475ybw.101.1202449965938; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:52:45 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [75.106.106.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 27sm22361233wra.34.2008.02.07.21.52.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:52:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <855289.36115.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 23:52:22 -0600 References: <855289.36115.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=kFJ3C1zILxY-cSK74C7Kk7_cVP1JrkHBSmQ8WqQgDXMlXqwLQPz9-qj3YWZeOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Feb 7, 2008, at 11:46 PM, george russell wrote: > Sory, I hope I didn't offend anybody with the preacher remarks. No offense here. I think they are the Scum of the Earth. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Feb 07 21:56:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98178 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 05:56:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 05:56:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 05:56:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 59226 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2008 05:56:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6wWh_CcVM1mVnHzlD_p735QDuJW.bX9oewVQvn_LIH1pGjRZ89DPoiSuCJ.A7JaSlS1I_BOg2iU44DBpyh5RFscRRyCM1CDhFld4DxCyRBXAKA7I.1Q- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:56:39 PST Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 21:56:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <62807.57462.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=xAsV8dXzHsaFvEBdLWZjgAoV0Wb7iYxLAOcmJS3SyVBx8A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Thanks Kevin...you are as a sodium vapor light upon the misty foggy highway of my memory! (I'm old...what can I say) G --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > On Feb 7, 2008, at 11:39 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Some DJ named something-"Costello". > > > Joe Costello owned the station. > > > > Didn't they have a MW with the same call sign, > used to feed it to > > the SW sometimes? > > > That was WRNO-FM "We Rock New Orleans". > > Kevin > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Feb 07 21:57:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50336 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 05:57:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 05:57:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.205) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 05:57:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98111 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2008 05:57:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mx1yD4UVM1mvqRlCjHt0GHSbgAcVtekHZTinKasFTFBlg.VzNfiimWY52ktvMLiThVH9hKsdg4.lW_1Osw1_fJXyHA9oQKCnUv5lYiKpwGhaXgZqbZM- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:57:45 PST Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 21:57:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <750838.96386.qm@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=TFoVSe9NDw3rgVjG5dwzEPDlHA7_dQCN-ySwqZbFyYrsdA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I agree! There is probably a special room for them in you-know-where. --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > On Feb 7, 2008, at 11:46 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Sory, I hope I didn't offend anybody with the > preacher remarks. > > No offense here. I think they are the Scum of the > Earth. > > Kevin > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Feb 07 21:57:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47053 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 05:57:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 05:57:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.182) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 05:57:46 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id l24so216089waf.17 for ; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:57:46 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.114.150.1 with SMTP id x1mr6096631wad.46.1202450266360; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:57:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [75.106.106.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h39sm1993558wxd.14.2008.02.07.21.57.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:57:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <066D3F23-B1C4-4025-AF04-84D095DAAD62@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80802072151w57ef32aakb336541ba7628268@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 23:57:19 -0600 References: <968456.32245.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8bce0fe80802072151w57ef32aakb336541ba7628268@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: WRNO Was:BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=TFoVSfNNDw0GQwNnq5jZB8a-eWDlvlrwgqwdYoRvQKgQqB8xngjdKAMs1a8ZFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Feb 7, 2008, at 11:51 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > And they are now "The New Voice Of New Orleans, 99.5 FM" WRNO with a > News/talk format. What a shame. They were one of the pioneer Rock stations in the US and was one of the most listened to stations in New Orleans. WRNO was the very first Rock format SW station in the world, and was the first commercial Shortwave licensed in the US since the 1930s. Kevin From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Feb 07 22:02:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11244 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 06:02:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 06:02:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.181) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 06:02:10 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f31so3819901pyh.19 for ; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:02:07 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.28.12 with SMTP id f12mr13497508pyj.40.1202450526508; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:02:06 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 22:02:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80802072202w58168895g8a166a1ebabe9987@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 01:02:06 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <066D3F23-B1C4-4025-AF04-84D095DAAD62@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <968456.32245.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8bce0fe80802072151w57ef32aakb336541ba7628268@mail.gmail.com> <066D3F23-B1C4-4025-AF04-84D095DAAD62@gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRNO Was:BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=IeFPDK0rDWYn1Ex_T4u9otG9nuqO7eHUaO866glItFtUwSRTUcCeeG5S X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uh, 1930? You need to tell the "New" WRNO Shortwave folks to fix their facts.. From http://www.wrnoworldwide.org/aboutus.htm : In 1980, a Louisiana-based entrepreneur was granted the first U.S.-basedinternational commercial short wave radio license. In 1982, WRNO Worldwide began its first broadcast. Well, it depends, now that I htink about it... where they commercial back in the 30s and 40s? Paul On Feb 8, 2008 12:57 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > > On Feb 7, 2008, at 11:51 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > > > And they are now "The New Voice Of New Orleans, 99.5 FM" WRNO with a > > News/talk format. > > What a shame. They were one of the pioneer Rock stations in the US and > was one of the most listened to stations in New Orleans. WRNO was the > very first Rock format SW station in the world, and was the first > commercial Shortwave licensed in the US since the 1930s. > > Kevin > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Feb 07 22:02:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14189 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 06:02:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 06:02:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 06:02:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 51319 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2008 06:02:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eczgzYAVM1ltnIzeP01VRztqizpaw26GJcoF2nwDyplPvSZ_fQ8.CkUgQ3KcbEUT.iEYzXEyED7vWlHNGIVqSQZRBbv.JO9bGfIthkm4kDrA1fPuqTw- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:02:48 PST Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 22:02:48 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <066D3F23-B1C4-4025-AF04-84D095DAAD62@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <233995.51216.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRNO Was:BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=lchAwHO-Wn35-q4MeSSsqrdVYehuddmBkx4sf6lUScfCxg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Maybe the preachers will be greedy enough to lease the station out to some music-minded operators, like XEROK did back in the 70's. Until then, you'll hear stuff like... "I wanna say "HI" to all my beloved along the Prayboy network! All miracles, all the time, with ascensions on the hour, and 20/20 genuflections!" OK, C2C is on...I'm outa here... G --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > On Feb 7, 2008, at 11:51 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. > wrote: > > > And they are now "The New Voice Of New Orleans, > 99.5 FM" WRNO with a > > News/talk format. > > What a shame. They were one of the pioneer Rock > stations in the US and > was one of the most listened to stations in New > Orleans. WRNO was the > very first Rock format SW station in the world, and > was the first > commercial Shortwave licensed in the US since the > 1930s. > > Kevin > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Feb 07 22:16:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41005 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 06:16:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 06:16:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.236) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 06:16:52 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h30so3200908wxd.21 for ; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:16:49 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.70.11.1 with SMTP id 1mr7841666wxk.18.1202451409092; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:16:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [75.106.106.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i16sm23351828wxd.30.2008.02.07.22.16.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:16:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <920A0379-6F98-47AD-AF6A-5CA03CEEDBAA@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80802072202w58168895g8a166a1ebabe9987@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 00:16:25 -0600 References: <968456.32245.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8bce0fe80802072151w57ef32aakb336541ba7628268@mail.gmail.com> <066D3F23-B1C4-4025-AF04-84D095DAAD62@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80802072202w58168895g8a166a1ebabe9987@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRNO Was:BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=q8SBGDBWclkRxBziP8SSfEoehTJsBBW1EtCAP_ZWuho10kNeLwXljMjAw7wpPw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Feb 8, 2008, at 12:02 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > Well, it depends, now that I htink about it... where they commercial > back in the 30s and 40s? WLW-SW, Bethany Ohio was the last commercial station in the US when they were taken over by the government to transmit Voice Of America in WW2. WINB was Non-Com. WNYW was a CIA Operation that was sold to Family Radio International and became Non-Com WYFR. The construction permit for WRNO was issued in 1980. It was the first Commercial SW licensed since WLW-SW Kevin From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 07 23:21:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76870 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 07:21:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 07:21:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 07:21:20 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2008 07:21:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2008 07:21:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2008 07:21:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:21:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.148.32 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: AM Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=KXX-fLphlYYHDQUcrkVdEG95UmEZbyzJTIrCmsDh3ILv4XD9g7kkguf8BHw7ADia2u081yn- X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" > wrote: >=20 > > Hi Gang What town dose CBC 1 1010 AM come from? I can get that=20 one=20 > > some times here in Northern Californa. Jim S >=20 > Calgary, Alberta, if I recall. Just a few slots away from CKMX on > 1060, same city. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Amy Good to see you back on here!!!!! I kind of like that=20 station. I just never knew where it was from exsept I kwen it was a=20 Canadian station. And thats the only one I can get.Thanks Amy. Jim S. From ke7ief@aol.com Thu Feb 07 23:47:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95191 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 07:47:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 07:47:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 07:47:26 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c91.21ede214 (37067) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 02:47:18 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home18fde9342f (75-165-13-37.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.37]) by cia-db05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB051-90cb47ac0904350; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 02:47:17 -0500 Message-ID: <004501c86a26$e03f1070$6401a8c0@home18fde9342f> To: References: <855289.36115.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 23:47:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.37 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=8AMoKqDs38WeOD9Ii2MEIPablIpFXIAnkwZlDVf98_We-aqddyCJ X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit none taken its all good Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:46 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} BOSS RADIO Atlantic Sory, I hope I didn't offend anybody with the preacher remarks. Nothing against HONEST preachers, I love 'em if they are the real deal. I was poking fun at the charlatan dollar-a-holler pay-to-pray guys who bilked millions from their flocks...the guys who went from border radio to TV to SW to jail. No offense intended! George --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > On Feb 7, 2008, at 10:49 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Are you talking about WRNO that used to be on the > 49m band? > > That is the WRNO > > > > Man, I thought they were gone for good, Preachers > now? > > Preachers bought it, but it has not come back on the > air yet. > > http://www.wrnoworldwide.org/ > > Kevin > __________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Thu Feb 07 23:49:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23538 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 07:49:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 07:49:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 07:49:48 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cfd.28f90002 (37068) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 02:49:37 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home18fde9342f (75-165-13-37.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.13.37]) by cia-db05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB052-90cc47ac098f88; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 02:49:36 -0500 Message-ID: <005d01c86a27$36056090$6401a8c0@home18fde9342f> To: References: <968456.32245.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8bce0fe80802072151w57ef32aakb336541ba7628268@mail.gmail.com> <066D3F23-B1C4-4025-AF04-84D095DAAD62@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 23:50:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.13.37 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRNO Was:BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=ZdSP0QARp79VD8j89VCHNy7Bcx8xGDcUSCCnEZT77qvnpOQYo8_i X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is there any rock sw stations left? ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: {AMSF} WRNO Was:BOSS RADIO Atlantic On Feb 7, 2008, at 11:51 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > And they are now "The New Voice Of New Orleans, 99.5 FM" WRNO with a > News/talk format. What a shame. They were one of the pioneer Rock stations in the US and was one of the most listened to stations in New Orleans. WRNO was the very first Rock format SW station in the world, and was the first commercial Shortwave licensed in the US since the 1930s. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Fri Feb 08 03:04:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82063 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 11:04:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 11:04:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 11:04:23 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2008 11:04:23 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2008 11:04:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2008 11:04:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:04:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=ZIGAb8bQGEroPlfHugDsVLK_EAFA3e5S23WE21TRFOCONN2jCq8q X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 I've riden past that transmit site since I was a wee one every time=20 through to last summer out the window of The Ocean Limited... The VIA=20 Rail train from Montreal to Halifax. I'm told Mother Nature has not been so gentle to the place=20 called "The Gentle Island" in the most current tourist PR. Chances=20 are you just got your lights back on.. If I were to make a really=20 educated guess.=20=20 Bob in Vermont PS.. And your choice of CIHI only because CKHJ is now in use at 1260=20 under the moniker of "Hot Country KHJ".. Having a reverence for the=20 history of virtually anything... I always note that irony in that=20 moniker... and those hemmed call sign sounds just like another=20 station on the left coast. Why not KHJ at 930 down in Saint John..=20 it would be the right format for the hemmed call sign. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Phil" wrote: > > Oh yes, if I won lotto 6-49, I would be applying for the following: >=20 > Callsign: CIHI > Frequency: 1070 > Power 50KW Class A > Format: Top 40 Boss radio > AM Stereo > Tower: 1 192 degree broadband tower, with 3/4 wavelength ground=20 radials > Site location: Tantramar Marshes [salt marsh] 900 CKDH is on the NS=20 > side, RCI is on the NB side. >=20 > Or, maybe I'd just buy CKDH from MBS Radio and replace 1KW on 900=20 KHz=20 > with 50 KW on 1070 KHz. >=20 > And, Robert W. Morgan and the Real Don Steele would be smiling from=20 > above! >=20 > Keep in mind that any station in Canada must be at least 80%=20 Canadian=20 > owned and the CRTC can see through any corporate entanglements.=20=20 But=20 > hey, if I do win 6-49, I'll keep 20% open for you folks! >=20 > And, I'd scoop up Daryl MacLean from 1580 CKDO. >=20 > Tina Delgado is ALIVE! >=20 > Phil Rafuse VY2PR > Stratford PEI Canada > From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 08 03:14:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73620 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 11:14:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 11:14:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.186) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 11:14:43 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2008 11:14:43 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2008 11:14:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2008 11:14:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:14:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004501c86a26$e03f1070$6401a8c0@home18fde9342f> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.16.134.85 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=zncrNG3rwUewkUnZpTpQ9PfgXjF6LYc852EEEBZmTw0T3jpLpFMbFm8N7CL3r14625M8_V5B X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > none taken its all good > > Hank > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: george russell=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:46 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} BOSS RADIO Atlantic >=20 >=20 > Sory, I hope I didn't offend anybody with the preacher > remarks. > Nothing against HONEST preachers, I love 'em if they > are the real deal. > I was poking fun at the charlatan dollar-a-holler > pay-to-pray guys > who bilked millions from their flocks...the guys who > went from border radio to TV to SW to jail. > No offense intended! > George >=20 > --- Possum Hunter wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > On Feb 7, 2008, at 10:49 PM, george russell wrote: > >=20 > > > Are you talking about WRNO that used to be on the > > 49m band? > >=20 > > That is the WRNO > >=20 > >=20 > > > Man, I thought they were gone for good, Preachers > > now? > >=20 > > Preachers bought it, but it has not come back on the > > air yet. > >=20 > > http://www.wrnoworldwide.org/ > >=20 > > Kevin > >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.=20 > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang I hate those fonys to!!!! You know what I use to say? "=20 HAAAALLLLAAAUUUUYAAA MY FRENDS WE WANT YOUR MONEY REEEEEEAL=20 BAD!!!!!!" Jim S From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 08 05:51:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23341 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 13:51:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 13:51:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 13:51:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 91450 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2008 13:51:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tbIWTrUVM1l_ni0SzFUI5aMc9G2CjheKRqRSKtmKmFWRzVQyHBmyLFMeOUi7.GQ_JWZb76xLcr2jnIQj.DHXDfH_YtEelxdzvItsr31i.1nSdz4- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:51:11 PST Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 05:51:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <220710.91310.qm@web33511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Cp29S7qf9Hd6Dksk4DCYPrS350MXMurnAAoOHNPASuXpDb95-cLDHQ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey Phil - buy it! Question: do you still have to have 35% CANCON or what is the percentage for an oldies music station in Canada? 73's John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 08 05:53:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84353 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 13:53:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 13:53:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 13:53:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14023 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2008 13:53:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: k660o6EVM1nT6Q5t6Vn7QDRfVHcibTbkuf2sovB9unMk610QZrS3zMO8CTt42SA2AoWOXj.HvKHrtuuvxYXh021S0OqASY9_ujRcr4rTllwp8KljT6e78E.lJg-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:53:31 PST Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 05:53:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <411031.12015.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: WKRP band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=7FMS0ofgV3-3UUfQfU0-sq1Iu-im99i92ts5F5evOm_GGypYUDIag4I X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kevin wrote: "...Scum of the Earth..." Hey, weren't they the nasty punk band on that WKRP episode? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From badeditpro@comcast.net Fri Feb 08 06:14:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98943 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 14:14:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 14:14:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.30.80) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 14:14:09 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id n1sK1Y0020mlR8UA802800; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:14:01 +0000 X-Received: from joeandlynn ([71.62.246.80]) by OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id n2E71Y00L1koVkf8X00000; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:14:08 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=c8fmjlUdPlJ3Jzku3zAA:9 a=f7aGj5lkMd-uiq7AqHcA:7 a=5LLNcNDS1H7GSeDtz_5v9zZxjpEA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 a=HBxe7VtG9cxyH2K0AOUA:9 a=FM_C_qoqLhOZO4NGHdQA:7 a=1KE9b-_zUv1sBsKwBUjTTdZw7RQA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Message-ID: <000f01c86a5c$df584a60$50f63e47@joeandlynn> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:14:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 76.96.30.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: OF RADIO AND RAILROADS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=294947950; y=xPPtQsopzUt9Eiyb2S6iCUj_-8qfqfosxpxH3NNRmszTuC3GOmnfAx85G-IW X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am not a person who likes to be idle. I need to have something to apply my mind to. So, while waiting for the phone to ring, I have rediscovered an old passion over the last few months. I like trains. I grew up not far from a rail yard and they were a big part of my childhood. Along with the sound of my transistor radio, I would fall asleep to the sound of the NPBL short line switching cars. My on-line foray into the world of today's rail fans has really been an interesting trip. I have found out that the rail industry is set to boom. They are improving rails and tunnels, buying new equipment and hauling more fright than ever before. Light rails are popping up in more towns or expanding where already in place and Amtrak is building new stations. Why? Well, rail is still the most efficient way to move fright over long distances and with the high price of fuel; it is an attractive alternative to trucking or air fright. Folks are turning more and more to public transportation instead of firing up the 12 mile per gallon SUV and commuter rail service is a viable alternative for many, especially in urban areas. An intriguing discussion is going on in the rail world that struck me as quite relevant to radio: A return to steam powered locomotives. It's not headline news yet but there are a few who are looking into it. What does this have to do with the state of our industry? A little history, first. During the 1950's while radio was busy reinventing itself after the dawn of TV, the railroads were going through a revolution. The venerable steam locomotive was being phased out in favor of diesel-electric power. There were many factors that played into this transition: Cost of operation, the promise of lower maintenance, smaller crews, fuel prices and a very aggressive marketing campaign put on by the diesel manufacturers. One by one, the big black engines were taken out of service then scrapped, put in museums or just parked on some remote siding and forgotten. Fast forward 50 years and steam begins become attractive again. Why? Because the price of diesel fuel is skyrocketing and alternative sources of power from renewable or at least more plentiful resources like coal need to be investigated. Upon reexamining the decision to nix steam you run into some interesting facts that make you wonder whether they made the right choice. Many rail companies did hard research before pulling the plug, most notably, New York Central published an in depth study on the pros and cons of diesel vs. steam. At the time, diesel fuel was cheap even by 1950's standards; it was eight cents per gallon. Coal, the preferred fuel for steam locomotives, was not much more expensive when compared to a single diesel verses a steam loco's cost of operation but there was a history of crippling coal mining industry strikes in the late 40's and early 50's that made railroads concerned about the stability of the supply. It is interesting to note that most studies were one-on-one comparisons even though steam locomotives generated more horse power. The articulated steam locomotive of the day could deliver 6,000 to 10,000 horsepower compared to a diesel's 4,000. The solution was, and still is, to run trains with multiple locomotives. You very rarely see a modern fright train without at least two. Of course, that means fuel consumption is doubled, negating any cost saving over coal in the 1950 study. Today diesel is averaging around $3.28 per gallon and coal is running at around $60 per short ton. Diesel's price has increased dramatically when compared to coal over the same period of time. Steam engines don't care what you burn to generate heat to boil the water. Therefore, you don't have to limit your comparison strictly to coal. Fuel options include everything from wood scraps to sugar cane stalks to Bunker 'C' fuel oil. (It's what's left over after all the gasoline; diesel and other light components have been taken out of crude. It's nasty, thick stuff that has to be heated just to pump it form one place to another but it's cheap!) So what is stopping the rail industry from more aggressively exploring steam? The loss of what they call "Steam Culture." The last generation of steam locomotives built in the 40's and 50's were incredibly efferent and powerful, even by today's standards. Those that survive are historic relics either carefully run for special excursions or locked up in museums. There are only a handful of people who know how to operate them and maintain them. So few in fact that there are lots of steam loco's waiting to be restored but there's no one to do it. The railroads did a beautiful job of eliminating all vestiges of steam culture after the change-over. Shops were closed, specialized tools scraped or destroyed, blueprints thrown away and steam mechanics and engineers either learned how to run diesel or quit. Many steam engineers simply said, "I don't want to drive no car on the tracks" and left. So, after 50 years of diesel operation, there's no one to turn to for a quick re-introduction of steam power. They would have to start from scratch, designing and testing new equipment, training personnel and rebuilding water and coaling towers in all the yards where they were knocked down years ago. The same thing is happening to radio. We are watching the loss of "Radio Culture." Whatever you think the future of radio might be, you have to concede that change involves innovation and talented, passionate and dedicated people to make it happen. Unfortunately, just those sorts of people have left the industry in droves. Either they are forced out by endless budget cutting and staff reduction or they wise up, take their talent elsewhere and apply it in a field where they get their just rewards. In other words, radio eats its young. If the day ever comes when a much smaller and wiser radio industry decides it needs to get back to providing a relevant, captivating and exciting product, those who have survived will be hard pressed to find anyone who either has the know-how, experience or the desire to make that happen. The steam locomotive and the local radio station have one thing in common: They both require talented people providing loving attention to make them run. It is an interesting parallel to ponder, for those of us who care to think about such things. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Feb 08 06:35:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48110 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 14:35:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 14:35:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms048pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.48) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 14:35:16 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.228.191.115]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JVX008SWCIQWMX2@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:35:15 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:35:16 -0500 To: Message-id: <002e01c86a5f$d297a4d0$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000f01c86a5c$df584a60$50f63e47@joeandlynn> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OF RADIO AND RAILROADS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=zXp5sp0oFh3PgBjCaqRIJocvOPHm9vvYHKXO5kh4t2MAlw X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very interesting! Thanks, Joe Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Collins To: AM Stereo Forum Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:14 AM Subject: {AMSF} OF RADIO AND RAILROADS I am not a person who likes to be idle. I need to have something to apply my mind to. So, while waiting for the phone to ring, I have rediscovered an old passion over the last few months. I like trains. I grew up not far from a rail yard and they were a big part of my childhood. Along with the sound of my transistor radio, I would fall asleep to the sound of the NPBL short line switching cars. My on-line foray into the world of today's rail fans has really been an interesting trip. I have found out that the rail industry is set to boom. They are improving rails and tunnels, buying new equipment and hauling more fright than ever before. Light rails are popping up in more towns or expanding where already in place and Amtrak is building new stations. Why? Well, rail is still the most efficient way to move fright over long distances and with the high price of fuel; it is an attractive alternative to trucking or air fright. Folks are turning more and more to public transportation instead of firing up the 12 mile per gallon SUV and commuter rail service is a viable alternative for many, especially in urban areas. An intriguing discussion is going on in the rail world that struck me as quite relevant to radio: A return to steam powered locomotives. It's not headline news yet but there are a few who are looking into it. What does this have to do with the state of our industry? A little history, first. During the 1950's while radio was busy reinventing itself after the dawn of TV, the railroads were going through a revolution. The venerable steam locomotive was being phased out in favor of diesel-electric power. There were many factors that played into this transition: Cost of operation, the promise of lower maintenance, smaller crews, fuel prices and a very aggressive marketing campaign put on by the diesel manufacturers. One by one, the big black engines were taken out of service then scrapped, put in museums or just parked on some remote siding and forgotten. Fast forward 50 years and steam begins become attractive again. Why? Because the price of diesel fuel is skyrocketing and alternative sources of power from renewable or at least more plentiful resources like coal need to be investigated. Upon reexamining the decision to nix steam you run into some interesting facts that make you wonder whether they made the right choice. Many rail companies did hard research before pulling the plug, most notably, New York Central published an in depth study on the pros and cons of diesel vs. steam. At the time, diesel fuel was cheap even by 1950's standards; it was eight cents per gallon. Coal, the preferred fuel for steam locomotives, was not much more expensive when compared to a single diesel verses a steam loco's cost of operation but there was a history of crippling coal mining industry strikes in the late 40's and early 50's that made railroads concerned about the stability of the supply. It is interesting to note that most studies were one-on-one comparisons even though steam locomotives generated more horse power. The articulated steam locomotive of the day could deliver 6,000 to 10,000 horsepower compared to a diesel's 4,000. The solution was, and still is, to run trains with multiple locomotives. You very rarely see a modern fright train without at least two. Of course, that means fuel consumption is doubled, negating any cost saving over coal in the 1950 study. Today diesel is averaging around $3.28 per gallon and coal is running at around $60 per short ton. Diesel's price has increased dramatically when compared to coal over the same period of time. Steam engines don't care what you burn to generate heat to boil the water. Therefore, you don't have to limit your comparison strictly to coal. Fuel options include everything from wood scraps to sugar cane stalks to Bunker 'C' fuel oil. (It's what's left over after all the gasoline; diesel and other light components have been taken out of crude. It's nasty, thick stuff that has to be heated just to pump it form one place to another but it's cheap!) So what is stopping the rail industry from more aggressively exploring steam? The loss of what they call "Steam Culture." The last generation of steam locomotives built in the 40's and 50's were incredibly efferent and powerful, even by today's standards. Those that survive are historic relics either carefully run for special excursions or locked up in museums. There are only a handful of people who know how to operate them and maintain them. So few in fact that there are lots of steam loco's waiting to be restored but there's no one to do it. The railroads did a beautiful job of eliminating all vestiges of steam culture after the change-over. Shops were closed, specialized tools scraped or destroyed, blueprints thrown away and steam mechanics and engineers either learned how to run diesel or quit. Many steam engineers simply said, "I don't want to drive no car on the tracks" and left. So, after 50 years of diesel operation, there's no one to turn to for a quick re-introduction of steam power. They would have to start from scratch, designing and testing new equipment, training personnel and rebuilding water and coaling towers in all the yards where they were knocked down years ago. The same thing is happening to radio. We are watching the loss of "Radio Culture." Whatever you think the future of radio might be, you have to concede that change involves innovation and talented, passionate and dedicated people to make it happen. Unfortunately, just those sorts of people have left the industry in droves. Either they are forced out by endless budget cutting and staff reduction or they wise up, take their talent elsewhere and apply it in a field where they get their just rewards. In other words, radio eats its young. If the day ever comes when a much smaller and wiser radio industry decides it needs to get back to providing a relevant, captivating and exciting product, those who have survived will be hard pressed to find anyone who either has the know-how, experience or the desire to make that happen. The steam locomotive and the local radio station have one thing in common: They both require talented people providing loving attention to make them run. It is an interesting parallel to ponder, for those of us who care to think about such things. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Feb 08 06:42:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49982 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 14:42:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 14:42:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ti-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.142.189) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 14:42:54 -0000 X-Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u5so93573tia.15 for ; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:42:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.110.31.5 with SMTP id e5mr7257572tie.35.1202481773528; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:42:53 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [75.106.106.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h13sm1990243wxd.1.2008.02.08.06.42.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:42:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005d01c86a27$36056090$6401a8c0@home18fde9342f> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:42:26 -0600 References: <968456.32245.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8bce0fe80802072151w57ef32aakb336541ba7628268@mail.gmail.com> <066D3F23-B1C4-4025-AF04-84D095DAAD62@gmail.com> <005d01c86a27$36056090$6401a8c0@home18fde9342f> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.142.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRNO Was:BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=PKA6ZaIyLbT-AlSow52f5HKPBH1N2UOx8DhhkvSNXc-DkPwxklKBCLb9_OJy4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 8, 2008, at 1:50 AM, hank smith wrote: > is there any rock sw stations left? WBCQ http://www.wbcq.com/ has Rock Music programs, mostly on the weekends. American Forces Network (Was AFRTS) has Music programming on Shortwave from US Navy transmitters in the Upper Sideband Mode. Here are the Locations and frequencies: Diego Garcia USB 12,759 kHz 4,319 kHz Guam USB 13,362 kHz 5,765 kHz Key West, Florida USB 12,1335 kHz, 7812.5 kHz and 5,4465 kHz; same as daytime Pearl Harbor, Hawaii USB 10,320 kHz 6,350 kHz Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Fri Feb 08 06:58:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17524 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 14:58:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 14:58:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.136) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 14:58:24 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2008 14:58:24 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2008 14:58:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2008 14:58:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:58:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000f01c86a5c$df584a60$50f63e47@joeandlynn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: OF RADIO AND RAILROADS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=ydHqXouXmEue7cEXnLNg8px2tHineMJFCMW9hl6V__JE4O9H4f38 X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Could not have said it better myself. The poster child of Amtrak's=20 decline is located along side an expressway in a place called Beech=20 Grove, IN. Not getting political... but, the powers that be have not=20 over the course of 20 or so years given the National Rail Passenger=20 Corp a fair budget allocation to fix all that various array of=20 equipment which the general public can see along that roadway. The folks who do not understand the tried and true mantra that=20 sometimes works well.. being penny-wise is pound foolish... have=20 contributed to that mess. A capital budget is not an operating=20 budget... and Amtrak is the most cost efficient rail passenger rail=20 system in the world. The bus has its public highways paid for=20 outside its privately-owned structure. The airlines have their=20 airtraffic controllers and airports paid for outside of their=20 privately-owned structures. Amtrak pays a rent of sorts to its=20 operating rails outside of the Northeast Corridor.. some parts of the=20 Chicagoland and midwest region... and around California. I will relinquish this list to discussions about radio with this last=20 request... read about how the former head of CSX-Corp did that job...=20 his name may be on a few of your US bills currently. Bob --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" =20 wrote: > > I am not a person who likes to be idle. I need to have something=20 to apply my mind to. So, while waiting for the phone to ring, I have=20 rediscovered an old passion over the last few months. I like=20 trains. I grew up not far from a rail yard and they were a big part=20 of my childhood. Along with the sound of my transistor radio, I=20 would fall asleep to the sound of the NPBL short line switching=20 cars.=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > My on-line foray into the world of today's rail fans has really=20 been an interesting trip. I have found out that the rail industry is=20 set to boom. They are improving rails and tunnels, buying new=20 equipment and hauling more fright than ever before. Light rails are=20 popping up in more towns or expanding where already in place and=20 Amtrak is building new stations. Why? Well, rail is still the most=20 efficient way to move fright over long distances and with the high=20 price of fuel; it is an attractive alternative to trucking or air=20 fright. Folks are turning more and more to public transportation=20 instead of firing up the 12 mile per gallon SUV and commuter rail=20 service is a viable alternative for many, especially in urban areas. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > An intriguing discussion is going on in the rail world that struck=20 me as quite relevant to radio: A return to steam powered=20 locomotives. It's not headline news yet but there are a few who are=20 looking into it. What does this have to do with the state of our=20 industry? >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > A little history, first. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > During the 1950's while radio was busy reinventing itself after the=20 dawn of TV, the railroads were going through a revolution. The=20 venerable steam locomotive was being phased out in favor of diesel- electric power. There were many factors that played into this=20 transition: Cost of operation, the promise of lower maintenance,=20 smaller crews, fuel prices and a very aggressive marketing campaign=20 put on by the diesel manufacturers. One by one, the big black=20 engines were taken out of service then scrapped, put in museums or=20 just parked on some remote siding and forgotten.=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Fast forward 50 years and steam begins become attractive again.=20=20 Why? Because the price of diesel fuel is skyrocketing and=20 alternative sources of power from renewable or at least more=20 plentiful resources like coal need to be investigated. Upon=20 reexamining the decision to nix steam you run into some interesting=20 facts that make you wonder whether they made the right choice. Many=20 rail companies did hard research before pulling the plug, most=20 notably, New York Central published an in depth study on the pros and=20 cons of diesel vs. steam.=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > At the time, diesel fuel was cheap even by 1950's standards; it was=20 eight cents per gallon. Coal, the preferred fuel for steam=20 locomotives, was not much more expensive when compared to a single=20 diesel verses a steam loco's cost of operation but there was a=20 history of crippling coal mining industry strikes in the late 40's=20 and early 50's that made railroads concerned about the stability of=20 the supply. It is interesting to note that most studies were one-on- one comparisons even though steam locomotives generated more horse=20 power. The articulated steam locomotive of the day could deliver=20 6,000 to 10,000 horsepower compared to a diesel's 4,000. The=20 solution was, and still is, to run trains with multiple locomotives.=20=20 You very rarely see a modern fright train without at least two. Of=20 course, that means fuel consumption is doubled, negating any cost=20 saving over coal in the 1950 study. Today diesel is averaging around=20 $3.28 per gallon and coal is running at around $60 per short ton.=20=20 Diesel's price has increased dramatically when compared to coal over=20 the same period of time. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Steam engines don't care what you burn to generate heat to boil the=20 water. Therefore, you don't have to limit your comparison strictly=20 to coal. Fuel options include everything from wood scraps to sugar=20 cane stalks to Bunker 'C' fuel oil. (It's what's left over after all=20 the gasoline; diesel and other light components have been taken out=20 of crude. It's nasty, thick stuff that has to be heated just to pump=20 it form one place to another but it's cheap!) >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > So what is stopping the rail industry from more aggressively=20 exploring steam? The loss of what they call "Steam Culture." >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > The last generation of steam locomotives built in the 40's and 50's=20 were incredibly efferent and powerful, even by today's standards.=20=20 Those that survive are historic relics either carefully run for=20 special excursions or locked up in museums. There are only a handful=20 of people who know how to operate them and maintain them. So few in=20 fact that there are lots of steam loco's waiting to be restored but=20 there's no one to do it. The railroads did a beautiful job of=20 eliminating all vestiges of steam culture after the change-over.=20=20 Shops were closed, specialized tools scraped or destroyed, blueprints=20 thrown away and steam mechanics and engineers either learned how to=20 run diesel or quit. Many steam engineers simply said, "I don't want=20 to drive no car on the tracks" and left. So, after 50 years of=20 diesel operation, there's no one to turn to for a quick re- introduction of steam power. They would have to start from scratch,=20 designing and testing new equipment, training personnel and=20 rebuilding water and coaling towers in all the yards where they were=20 knocked down years ago.=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > The same thing is happening to radio. We are watching the loss=20 of "Radio Culture."=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Whatever you think the future of radio might be, you have to=20 concede that change involves innovation and talented, passionate and=20 dedicated people to make it happen. Unfortunately, just those sorts=20 of people have left the industry in droves. Either they are forced=20 out by endless budget cutting and staff reduction or they wise up,=20 take their talent elsewhere and apply it in a field where they get=20 their just rewards. In other words, radio eats its young. If the day=20 ever comes when a much smaller and wiser radio industry decides it=20 needs to get back to providing a relevant, captivating and exciting=20 product, those who have survived will be hard pressed to find anyone=20 who either has the know-how, experience or the desire to make that=20 happen.=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > The steam locomotive and the local radio station have one thing in=20 common: They both require talented people providing loving attention=20 to make them run. It is an interesting parallel to ponder, for those=20 of us who care to think about such things.=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 08 07:17:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40688 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 15:17:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 15:17:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.232) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 15:17:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 48067 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2008 15:17:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: l9o9LpcVM1nopjBcYLY5bopXISJ4MK8IbBR6YUKYQT9PgM8MAkJc2o454XhT75UZfHLbrh3vZcFzkdeOS.D3K4uUXsk.SzUBqeJkwPQLUykSPWmu3Ilj9DAJB3aNUbwungLbGGDAyj.zxuI- X-Received: from [64.222.43.143] by web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:17:06 PST Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 07:17:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <411031.12015.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <419467.47081.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} WKRP band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=8aEhSElhoO5v_PbBO-9Cm6fkmTP24fphxihl-AaVXdmFeonki6tZ X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry I don't remember his character's name but the actor is Peter Elbling. On the air with Venus: "We're not actually a punk rock group" Venus: "No, what's the difference?" "Punk rock is several cuts below hoodlum rock. Another thing is punk rock groups dress deplorably. The also don't usually physically attack their audience." Venus: "& you dudes do?" "Come to the show and find out." Still on the air with Venus but after he shuts off the mics to scold them: "Ask Dog about his musical training." Venus: (still frustrated, flips the mics back on) "Dog, what's your musical training?" Dog: "I have none." "But I have cello training from the Royal Academy. I don't play much anymore. You can't get thousands of screaming teenage girls to a cello recital now can you?...& we rather like teenage girls!" "John P." wrote: Kevin wrote: "...Scum of the Earth..." Hey, weren't they the nasty punk band on that WKRP episode? __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Feb 08 09:33:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25222 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 17:33:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 17:33:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms044pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.44) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 17:33:39 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.228.191.115]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JVX000N5F8E1LP3@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:33:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:33:52 -0500 To: Message-id: <001301c86a68$02627890$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT - OF RADIO AND RAILROADS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=8EHv5DRwmsPfbefMXgcFAuInEddeh8KsPYsK8InPzbZyhw X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some people have said that America's leaders deal only with problems in the short term and never for the long term. However, they certainly can be relied upon to look as far ahead as the next election! Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Welch To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:58 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: OF RADIO AND RAILROADS Could not have said it better myself. The poster child of Amtrak's decline is located along side an expressway in a place called Beech Grove, IN. Not getting political... but, the powers that be have not over the course of 20 or so years given the National Rail Passenger Corp a fair budget allocation to fix all that various array of equipment which the general public can see along that roadway. The folks who do not understand the tried and true mantra that sometimes works well.. being penny-wise is pound foolish... have contributed to that mess. A capital budget is not an operating budget... and Amtrak is the most cost efficient rail passenger rail system in the world. The bus has its public highways paid for outside its privately-owned structure. The airlines have their airtraffic controllers and airports paid for outside of their privately-owned structures. Amtrak pays a rent of sorts to its operating rails outside of the Northeast Corridor.. some parts of the Chicagoland and midwest region... and around California. I will relinquish this list to discussions about radio with this last request... read about how the former head of CSX-Corp did that job... his name may be on a few of your US bills currently. Bob --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Collins" wrote: > > I am not a person who likes to be idle. I need to have something to apply my mind to. So, while waiting for the phone to ring, I have rediscovered an old passion over the last few months. I like trains. I grew up not far from a rail yard and they were a big part of my childhood. Along with the sound of my transistor radio, I would fall asleep to the sound of the NPBL short line switching cars. > > > > My on-line foray into the world of today's rail fans has really been an interesting trip. I have found out that the rail industry is set to boom. They are improving rails and tunnels, buying new equipment and hauling more fright than ever before. Light rails are popping up in more towns or expanding where already in place and Amtrak is building new stations. Why? Well, rail is still the most efficient way to move fright over long distances and with the high price of fuel; it is an attractive alternative to trucking or air fright. Folks are turning more and more to public transportation instead of firing up the 12 mile per gallon SUV and commuter rail service is a viable alternative for many, especially in urban areas. > > > > An intriguing discussion is going on in the rail world that struck me as quite relevant to radio: A return to steam powered locomotives. It's not headline news yet but there are a few who are looking into it. What does this have to do with the state of our industry? > > > > A little history, first. > > > > During the 1950's while radio was busy reinventing itself after the dawn of TV, the railroads were going through a revolution. The venerable steam locomotive was being phased out in favor of diesel- electric power. There were many factors that played into this transition: Cost of operation, the promise of lower maintenance, smaller crews, fuel prices and a very aggressive marketing campaign put on by the diesel manufacturers. One by one, the big black engines were taken out of service then scrapped, put in museums or just parked on some remote siding and forgotten. > > > > Fast forward 50 years and steam begins become attractive again. Why? Because the price of diesel fuel is skyrocketing and alternative sources of power from renewable or at least more plentiful resources like coal need to be investigated. Upon reexamining the decision to nix steam you run into some interesting facts that make you wonder whether they made the right choice. Many rail companies did hard research before pulling the plug, most notably, New York Central published an in depth study on the pros and cons of diesel vs. steam. > > > > At the time, diesel fuel was cheap even by 1950's standards; it was eight cents per gallon. Coal, the preferred fuel for steam locomotives, was not much more expensive when compared to a single diesel verses a steam loco's cost of operation but there was a history of crippling coal mining industry strikes in the late 40's and early 50's that made railroads concerned about the stability of the supply. It is interesting to note that most studies were one-on- one comparisons even though steam locomotives generated more horse power. The articulated steam locomotive of the day could deliver 6,000 to 10,000 horsepower compared to a diesel's 4,000. The solution was, and still is, to run trains with multiple locomotives. You very rarely see a modern fright train without at least two. Of course, that means fuel consumption is doubled, negating any cost saving over coal in the 1950 study. Today diesel is averaging around $3.28 per gallon and coal is running at around $60 per short ton. Diesel's price has increased dramatically when compared to coal over the same period of time. > > > > Steam engines don't care what you burn to generate heat to boil the water. Therefore, you don't have to limit your comparison strictly to coal. Fuel options include everything from wood scraps to sugar cane stalks to Bunker 'C' fuel oil. (It's what's left over after all the gasoline; diesel and other light components have been taken out of crude. It's nasty, thick stuff that has to be heated just to pump it form one place to another but it's cheap!) > > > > So what is stopping the rail industry from more aggressively exploring steam? The loss of what they call "Steam Culture." > > > > The last generation of steam locomotives built in the 40's and 50's were incredibly efferent and powerful, even by today's standards. Those that survive are historic relics either carefully run for special excursions or locked up in museums. There are only a handful of people who know how to operate them and maintain them. So few in fact that there are lots of steam loco's waiting to be restored but there's no one to do it. The railroads did a beautiful job of eliminating all vestiges of steam culture after the change-over. Shops were closed, specialized tools scraped or destroyed, blueprints thrown away and steam mechanics and engineers either learned how to run diesel or quit. Many steam engineers simply said, "I don't want to drive no car on the tracks" and left. So, after 50 years of diesel operation, there's no one to turn to for a quick re- introduction of steam power. They would have to start from scratch, designing and testing new equipment, training personnel and rebuilding water and coaling towers in all the yards where they were knocked down years ago. > > > > The same thing is happening to radio. We are watching the loss of "Radio Culture." > > > > Whatever you think the future of radio might be, you have to concede that change involves innovation and talented, passionate and dedicated people to make it happen. Unfortunately, just those sorts of people have left the industry in droves. Either they are forced out by endless budget cutting and staff reduction or they wise up, take their talent elsewhere and apply it in a field where they get their just rewards. In other words, radio eats its young. If the day ever comes when a much smaller and wiser radio industry decides it needs to get back to providing a relevant, captivating and exciting product, those who have survived will be hard pressed to find anyone who either has the know-how, experience or the desire to make that happen. > > > > The steam locomotive and the local radio station have one thing in common: They both require talented people providing loving attention to make them run. It is an interesting parallel to ponder, for those of us who care to think about such things. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Feb 08 11:34:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17218 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 19:34:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 19:34:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 19:34:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1357 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2008 19:34:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zn3QGlwVM1n5D_4Wm9aJb46yL0H83yL_g3DbkuYOWnh3XokW8oAYJ8jH7ig_3LU.oiWQXYndMg-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:34:47 PST Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:34:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <754671.839.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: WKDK 1240 DX test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=OMpgXmu28pDPeUMzuOqy8zpHKGznKIR9GFrF8LuIJZU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I'll go live with regular music from 11:30 AM EST up until midnight. ABC news TOH and then into the DX test with morse code, and sweep tones if they arrive in time and maybe some special music if I can find it. I'll do 30 minutes of test or so. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 08 15:56:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20243 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2008 23:56:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2008 23:56:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2008 23:56:43 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.220] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080208175638000351100003> for ; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:56:38 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <000501c86aaf$02b81a60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:56:38 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=GCwfatAZoj1LdcJ0-K9c1r2UjJaQvkvoTFipUKRA6xFL6JrGnyf7 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome back, Phil. Haven't seen you post here in probably years. Seen a few of your posts over at the Antique Radio Forum, though. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Oh yes, if I won lotto 6-49, I would be applying for the following: Callsign: CIHI Frequency: 1070 Power 50KW Class A Format: Top 40 Boss radio AM Stereo Phil Rafuse VY2PR --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 08 16:05:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57637 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2008 00:05:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2008 00:05:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2008 00:05:50 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c26.2af509f3 (37140) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 19:05:44 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MC12 (webmail-mc12.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.89]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA032-911447acee58de; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:05:44 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:05:44 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <419467.47081.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.89) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:05:44 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA38C6A617E478-7EC-480A@WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WKRP band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=_4ZPvoyrLGRK38AmGxGBEw4OQiFEEy3g-4rM09psXYxYxJu7uJv--xdgCehArHbl X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the true humor of WKRP was perhaps more appreciate by those in the business than the general public. I lived in rural Arkansas (defense work) for a number of years and few of my indigenous colleagues understood the humor Green Acres. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 08 17:27:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63023 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2008 01:27:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2008 01:27:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2008 01:27:15 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.251] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080208192636003204900003> for ; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:26:36 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <044201c86abb$94954be0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <855289.36115.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:26:36 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=XWvFe_oZqniRKlZiQtyKY0-zX38xz_oB4qScjTJhD0gKf_Xi5HWP X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit None taken. A good way to find out if an organization is up to snuff is to check the ECFA (Evangelicals Concerned for Financial Accountability) website. Didn't look this group up but I'd heard of their leader a long time ago and I think he's on the up and up. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:47 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} BOSS RADIO Atlantic Sory, I hope I didn't offend anybody with the preacher remarks. Nothing against HONEST preachers, I love 'em if they are the real deal. I was poking fun at the charlatan dollar-a-holler pay-to-pray guys who bilked millions from their flocks...the guys who went from border radio to TV to SW to jail. No offense intended! George --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > On Feb 7, 2008, at 10:49 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Are you talking about WRNO that used to be on the > 49m band? > > That is the WRNO > > > > Man, I thought they were gone for good, Preachers > now? > > Preachers bought it, but it has not come back on the > air yet. > > http://www.wrnoworldwide.org/ > > Kevin > __________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1267 - Release Date: 2/8/08 8:12 PM --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 08 17:28:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14215 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2008 01:28:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2008 01:28:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2008 01:28:16 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.251] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080208192756000133400003> for ; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:27:56 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <046001c86abb$c46a7980$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <968456.32245.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8bce0fe80802072151w57ef32aakb336541ba7628268@mail.gmail.com> <066D3F23-B1C4-4025-AF04-84D095DAAD62@gmail.com> <8bce0fe80802072202w58168895g8a166a1ebabe9987@mail.gmail.com> <920A0379-6F98-47AD-AF6A-5CA03CEEDBAA@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:27:56 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRNO Was:BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=6WxLuyJka6Tv_2RexUmGqbU6W-nJFzSoR9a9ZgCTxQeGTZlDdntZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought that WNYW was owned by the Mormon Church before it was sold to Family Stations? Scott TOdd ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 12:17 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRNO Was:BOSS RADIO Atlantic On Feb 8, 2008, at 12:02 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > Well, it depends, now that I htink about it... where they commercial > back in the 30s and 40s? WLW-SW, Bethany Ohio was the last commercial station in the US when they were taken over by the government to transmit Voice Of America in WW2. WINB was Non-Com. WNYW was a CIA Operation that was sold to Family Radio International and became Non-Com WYFR. The construction permit for WRNO was issued in 1980. It was the first Commercial SW licensed since WLW-SW Kevin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1267 - Release Date: 2/8/08 8:12 PM --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Feb 08 19:05:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61247 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2008 03:05:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2008 03:05:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.206) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2008 03:05:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 90847 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2008 03:05:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Xc.gswMVM1kseZqCijLc.8DVoCk7K0NLpnNNBUtSsEufQIFP_QZRX839zBDDLDhFPnVopIAW43Z0TebGW3emz2ROQVNDJFToRBPUJ7fC8GwYH9Ghr78- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:05:25 PST Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 19:05:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA38C6A617E478-7EC-480A@WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <968641.89602.qm@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WKRP band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=NwNTgiCH91h0o1mNV_37erbH_TYbQb0-XigplWXxyKnnpw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 You betcha! I used to cringe when Dr. Johnny Fever would cue up a disc by watching the stylus while he turned it, as if it vibrates enough to see. Nobody could understand that this was wrong...Oh well. (BTW, there actually is a WKRC in Cincy, wonder if that influenced the selection of call-signs for the show?) Green Acres rules! "Good morning Mr. Douglas! Well, it's not actually a good morning...but I guess it isn't really a bad one...hell, it's not even morning!" Kimball reminded me of a few too many co-workers, and Haney would have tried selling air conditioners in Siberia. Love that show! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I think the true humor of WKRP was perhaps more > appreciate by those in the business than the general > public. > I lived in rural Arkansas (defense work) for a > number of years and few of my indigenous colleagues > understood the humor Green Acres. > > Mike > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Feb 08 19:07:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94410 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2008 03:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2008 03:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.203) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2008 03:07:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66794 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2008 03:07:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oc_SprIVM1mRquzI1jo5bucnEaX3CjqaiPINi8Pj X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:07:15 PST Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 19:07:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005d01c86a27$36056090$6401a8c0@home18fde9342f> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <654983.64985.qm@web32410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRNO Was:BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=DgYeTHNrb5E8bympXZis8NJ-fFSMmsKcrN_WnOqjYi0asA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Closest thing I've heard in recent years was an occasional hit on Radio Australia. (5995/9580 kHz) IF you like getting up that early! G --- hank smith wrote: > is there any rock sw stations left? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Possum Hunter > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:57 PM > Subject: {AMSF} WRNO Was:BOSS RADIO Atlantic > > > > On Feb 7, 2008, at 11:51 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. > wrote: > > > And they are now "The New Voice Of New Orleans, > 99.5 FM" WRNO with a > > News/talk format. > > What a shame. They were one of the pioneer Rock > stations in the US and > was one of the most listened to stations in New > Orleans. WRNO was the > very first Rock format SW station in the world, > and was the first > commercial Shortwave licensed in the US since the > 1930s. > > Kevin > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Feb 08 19:20:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12761 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2008 03:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2008 03:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.206) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2008 03:20:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1361 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2008 03:20:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wewTrHEVM1mCZBUP.cXYbuD2RrDXG9iPWyuiXbqiPo_dnh38XIoIAfHYI1ROQ0rE7KZOHbMv8SYRwWDce224O5chJ36FhGpY6CBtk1J4xHFQ.R5YZlo- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:20:54 PST Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 19:20:54 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000f01c86a5c$df584a60$50f63e47@joeandlynn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <235168.217.qm@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} OF RADIO AND RAILROADS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=MRvwWgv26TFYTKTMXdWdPl84EWrvQpdI4IN6KojXMdolog X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Good comparison, Joe. Don't know what part of the land you are in, but if you get into Michigan ever, check out the Steam Institute in Owosso. They have a fully restored steamer, former Pere Marquette #1225. This engine was heard in the movie "Polar Express". (Look close at the kid's ticket numbers...1225!). I know a few people there, and could probably get you into the cab of that old beast. If you would like to know more, contact me of forum at WLX1430@hotmail.com...I too am a train nut. (The part of my blood that isn't radio is pretty much all diesel fuel, hah-hah!) George --- Joe Collins wrote: > I am not a person who likes to be idle. I need to > have something to apply my mind to. So, while > waiting for the phone to ring, I have rediscovered > an old passion over the last few months. I like > trains. I grew up not far from a rail yard and they > were a big part of my childhood. Along with the > sound of my transistor radio, I would fall asleep to > the sound of the NPBL short line switching cars. > > > > My on-line foray into the world of today's rail fans > has really been an interesting trip. I have found > out that the rail industry is set to boom. They are > improving rails and tunnels, buying new equipment > and hauling more fright than ever before. Light > rails are popping up in more towns or expanding > where already in place and Amtrak is building new > stations. Why? Well, rail is still the most > efficient way to move fright over long distances and > with the high price of fuel; it is an attractive > alternative to trucking or air fright. Folks are > turning more and more to public transportation > instead of firing up the 12 mile per gallon SUV and > commuter rail service is a viable alternative for > many, especially in urban areas. > > > > An intriguing discussion is going on in the rail > world that struck me as quite relevant to radio: A > return to steam powered locomotives. It's not > headline news yet but there are a few who are > looking into it. What does this have to do with the > state of our industry? > > > > A little history, first. > > > > During the 1950's while radio was busy reinventing > itself after the dawn of TV, the railroads were > going through a revolution. The venerable steam > locomotive was being phased out in favor of > diesel-electric power. There were many factors that > played into this transition: Cost of operation, the > promise of lower maintenance, smaller crews, fuel > prices and a very aggressive marketing campaign put > on by the diesel manufacturers. One by one, the big > black engines were taken out of service then > scrapped, put in museums or just parked on some > remote siding and forgotten. > > > > Fast forward 50 years and steam begins become > attractive again. Why? Because the price of diesel > fuel is skyrocketing and alternative sources of > power from renewable or at least more plentiful > resources like coal need to be investigated. Upon > reexamining the decision to nix steam you run into > some interesting facts that make you wonder whether > they made the right choice. Many rail companies did > hard research before pulling the plug, most notably, > New York Central published an in depth study on the > pros and cons of diesel vs. steam. > > > > At the time, diesel fuel was cheap even by 1950's > standards; it was eight cents per gallon. Coal, the > preferred fuel for steam locomotives, was not much > more expensive when compared to a single diesel > verses a steam loco's cost of operation but there > was a history of crippling coal mining industry > strikes in the late 40's and early 50's that made > railroads concerned about the stability of the > supply. It is interesting to note that most studies > were one-on-one comparisons even though steam > locomotives generated more horse power. The > articulated steam locomotive of the day could > deliver 6,000 to 10,000 horsepower compared to a > diesel's 4,000. The solution was, and still is, to > run trains with multiple locomotives. You very > rarely see a modern fright train without at least > two. Of course, that means fuel consumption is > doubled, negating any cost saving over coal in the > 1950 study. Today diesel is averaging around $3.28 > per gallon and coal is running at around $60 per > short ton. Diesel's price has increased > dramatically when compared to coal over the same > period of time. > > > > Steam engines don't care what you burn to generate > heat to boil the water. Therefore, you don't have > to limit your comparison strictly to coal. Fuel > options include everything from wood scraps to sugar > cane stalks to Bunker 'C' fuel oil. (It's what's > left over after all the gasoline; diesel and other > light components have been taken out of crude. It's > nasty, thick stuff that has to be heated just to > pump it form one place to another but it's cheap!) > > > > So what is stopping the rail industry from more > aggressively exploring steam? The loss of what they > call "Steam Culture." > > > > The last generation of steam locomotives built in > the 40's and 50's were incredibly efferent and > powerful, even by today's standards. Those that > survive are historic relics either carefully run for > special excursions or locked up in museums. There > are only a handful of people who know how to operate > them and maintain them. So few in fact that there > are lots of steam loco's waiting to be restored but > there's no one to do it. The railroads did a > beautiful job of eliminating all vestiges of steam > culture after the change-over. Shops were closed, > specialized tools scraped or destroyed, blueprints > thrown away and steam mechanics and engineers either > learned how to run diesel or quit. Many steam > engineers simply said, "I don't want to drive no car > on the tracks" and left. So, after 50 years of > diesel operation, there's no one to turn to for a > quick re-introduction of steam power. They would > have to start from scratch, designing and testing > new equipment, training personnel and rebuilding > water and coaling towers in all the yards where they > were knocked down years ago. > > > > The same thing is happening to radio. We are > watching the loss of "Radio Culture." > > > > Whatever you think the future of radio might be, you > have to concede that change involves innovation and > talented, passionate and dedicated people to make it > happen. Unfortunately, just those sorts of people > have left the industry in droves. Either they are > forced out by endless budget cutting and staff > reduction or they wise up, take their talent > elsewhere and apply it in a field where they get > their just rewards. In other words, radio eats its > young. If the day ever comes when a much smaller and > wiser radio industry decides it needs to get back to > providing a relevant, captivating and exciting > product, those who have survived will be hard > pressed to find anyone who either has the know-how, > experience or the desire to make that happen. > > > > The steam locomotive and the local radio station > have one thing in common: They both require talented > people providing loving attention to make them run. > It is an interesting parallel to ponder, for those > of us who care to think about such things. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 08 19:25:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42195 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2008 03:25:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2008 03:25:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2008 03:25:04 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.251] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080208212448001137500003> for ; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:24:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <049701c86acc$18310ec0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <968641.89602.qm@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:24:48 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WKRP band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ylRvULUq8kowP1PZUcIdMOXfrlVjNK-cPpLg22dSNYcIRLMYbvD_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The similarity was quite intentional from what I understand. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com (BTW, there actually is a WKRC in Cincy, wonder if that influenced the selection of call-signs for the show?) --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Feb 08 19:31:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10433 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2008 03:31:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2008 03:31:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2008 03:31:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 83869 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2008 03:31:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EmicnscVM1m3e.DO50eJTlVSklmW4su3LjRYzx5ug5FXDNKvM1kQFAgOTjDF5CDRcs89mi6ne4LuDsRgXhHyCENxApa.ZEpBvH2GAkgDHefTEJN3e4w- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:31:36 PST Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 19:31:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <920A0379-6F98-47AD-AF6A-5CA03CEEDBAA@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <909500.82509.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRNO Was:BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=HhIdivRa9xZjgyX8vo4-town6VevrZuoF1oj0pv3QCjS9w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 What would you call WWCR in Nahville? (besides bad names, hah-hah!) They seem to me to be in a gray area between non-profit and commercial. They sell air time to a lot of preachers, but also to some loony end-of-the-world types who want to sell you all kinds of survival gear. They recently put several more transmitters on the air. Supposedly, their call sign stands for World Wide Christian Radio, but a few years back the sold a prime three-hour chunk to notorious pirate broadcaster Alan "Radio Free New York" Wainer, sponsored by High Times Magazine! That guy said a lot of things, but none of it sounded like a sermon, if ya get my drift! Do the preachers (loose use of the word) give them a non-prof. status? I've always wondered about that... George --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > On Feb 8, 2008, at 12:02 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. > wrote: > > > Well, it depends, now that I htink about it... > where they commercial > > back in the 30s and 40s? > > WLW-SW, Bethany Ohio was the last commercial station > in the US when > they were taken over by the government to transmit > Voice Of America in > WW2. > > WINB was Non-Com. WNYW was a CIA Operation that was > sold to Family > Radio International and became Non-Com WYFR. The > construction permit > for WRNO was issued in 1980. It was the first > Commercial SW licensed > since WLW-SW > > Kevin > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 08 19:50:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88120 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2008 03:50:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2008 03:50:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2008 03:50:10 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cda.255ad8f1 (30737) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 22:50:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 22:50:00 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5003 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WKRP band X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=cMj_nA2NfN45ivz2QQbwlAQL2LIEcJ3JcIHGjvSTMEuuHUY33q20pShITJf8hamm X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All the characters were more caricatures of the people I knew, there was a grain of truth in each one. The sales guy? I knew two guys in marketing that went to the same tailor long before the TV series. The Big Man's secretary? Had one just like that, too. As for Green Acres, as any big city Yankee who moves to a rural area can attest, there is always a Mr. Haney. They may drive a little better truck, but the business model and ethics are the same. I ran over a hung of scrap metal which destroyed a tire I bought at Sam's for $75. The local tire shop offered to get me going for $175. I thought, "What the heck? An extra $25 a pair." Then he told me the $175 for each tire. Told him I'd go back to Sam's, to which he responded he didn't think my mini-spare would get me to Little Rock. Mike **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Feb 08 22:27:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23161 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2008 06:27:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2008 06:27:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.246) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2008 06:27:11 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so986057ana.60 for ; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 22:27:07 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.248.9 with SMTP id v9mr11504158anh.37.1202538427720; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 22:27:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [75.106.106.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g9sm9105162wra.6.2008.02.08.22.26.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 08 Feb 2008 22:27:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <8B494AD9-0CA6-4F81-A92D-5B461B8117FB@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <909500.82509.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 00:26:42 -0600 References: <909500.82509.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRNO Was:BOSS RADIO Atlantic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=TLsukvDeej2o8dgYhPgLpE1pUFlDgft6u8P_pKYgRQjo4cqrUQ30y-RxlR6w7g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Feb 8, 2008, at 9:31 PM, george russell wrote: > What would you call WWCR in Nahville? WWCR is commercial, but was started MUCH leter than WRNO. Possum =93You=92re never beaten until you admit it.=94 - General George S. Patton = Jr. From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Feb 10 21:52:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35207 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2008 05:52:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2008 05:52:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2008 05:52:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28458 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2008 05:52:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6HkNttwVM1n5sI09nLaw70SnY1TV0tcSy8MSxUKijxwDGUgypA0l3pnw8.GstDizCTzL_IeTFa1PFPOCsmmK9BUTDYk5Pv5BqkZyAUxOP8y9pASPp04- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:52:32 PST Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:52:32 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <346217.25671.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: solid-state question? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=zmyQS20Nay-OW5yyl3gspGLNjXja531vWybVLGTSWy71Gw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 A bit off topic, but I'm trying to help a young learning-disabled friend of mine. His recently-deceased dad left him an old GE portable (1958), and one of the output transistors is shorted. The part is a 2N188, PNP germanium. We found them on the web, but they are $16 EACH, and since it's push/pull, I suppose I should change both to maintain balance...OUCH! He can't afford that, and still laid off, I would be scraping, too. Is there a modern, cheaper transistor that will work in it's place? I don't mind changing bias resistors if it comes down to that. There are so many folks on this forum who's electronic education is a lot more up to date than mine (I still use tubes for everything), so I hope you don't mind me asking for advice. This kid has a heart of gold, and I just couldn't resist trying to help him out. I'll buy the two transistors for him, if somebody can suggest an affordable, commonly available substitute that will work. Thanks in advance for any pointers you can offer! Regards, George ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Feb 11 08:43:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87763 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2008 16:43:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2008 16:43:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2008 16:43:24 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cf3.27a55273 (39331) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:42:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:42:58 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} solid-state question? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=tY47YoY6TUZGOph1UGC4QYTXc2cI7L3s3nKDaP8B5cIVxZUNuKkVr00cJxO8cldN X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is this a line operated table radio or a battery operated portable? Do you have a schematic? I wouldn't worry about matching the transistors. I assure you GE didn't when they built it. Most radios of that genre (car radios being the exception) almost universally used the classic capacitor coupled complementary push-pull OTL circuit. This circuit can also be found as the final RF stage on the Chris Cuff board. There are usually two temperature compensation diodes in the base circuit and a small value resistor in each of emitters of the output transistors if the amp was Class AB. Many only used one diode with the emitters directly commoned to form a Class B amplifier. If you wanted to use silicon, you would need to replace both the output transistors and temperature compensation diodes with their silicon counterparts. In the meanwhile, let me look around for that transistor. Mike ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002548) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Feb 11 12:40:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90302 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2008 20:40:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2008 20:40:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2008 20:40:42 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c36.22e0a33d (34896) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:40:20 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from FWM-D43 (fwm-d43.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.19]) by cia-da01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA015-885047b0b2b3187; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:40:19 -0500 References: <346217.25671.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:40:19 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <346217.25671.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.19) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:40:19 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA3B05737F3C7C-F04-D99@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} solid-state question? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=-zDz3bC-MQKlx3lehuTo0QuM_p6x1PlRctnIZD-70Nqdy3xoRLEL90x7R9sIPWfg X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George, It appears what you need is a NTE102, which is the PNP transistor in the output pair.? A NTE103 is its NPN complement. http://nte01.nteinc.com/nte/NTExRefSemiProd.nsf/69d5aa3584d015ce85256e780056e56f?CreateDocument A pdf datasheet has been uploaded in the group File section.? I have located a source which is far less that $16 and I would be pleased to have one sent directly to your snail mail address if you email it to me privately.? No cost.? It's nice you're helping out someone.? No, I'm not ordering it from Supreme via?the Telex. Where the obsolete part bandits make out is supplying replacement parts to the military.? When I was with LTV Aerospace, we had some dated GFE test sets that needed replacement parts from time to time.? In the military, there is something called configuration management and control.? That is, a contractor must maintain an article of government property exactly to the approved drawing.? To change a drawing was a lengthy and expensive process.? So what was a $1 garden variety transistor when the equipment was originally designed?must be replaced with the same item?no matter?the price for the life of the equipment. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Feb 11 12:43:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42150 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2008 20:43:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2008 20:43:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.206) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2008 20:43:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30729 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2008 20:43:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jvh2yZEVM1koJ9pbTk1xN04jKhywmMnTGNKIfWV_GZAeEIHmYuJgMQ5DPnG2gdPEhh_9a86W6bNjQ2oXzbe3oqNeySJ.Z1u25zWNfwbrErT7vKVBWGw- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:43:07 PST Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:43:07 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <238710.29842.qm@web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} solid-state question? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=JpsOAbEBPBZW4V3gzAq8YyjJlEJmy6i9q38mGoFqrvGGpQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 It's a battery portable, runs on 4 D-cells in series. There are two audio transformers, so I am assuming that stage is transformer input and transformer output, like old tube radios in the 20's. I measured resistance across the battery box, just over two ohms, probably the DC resistance of the output transformer's primary. Found one of the 2N188 was 0 ohms from any lead to any other, either polarity. (hope I am diagnosing this right...transistors just aren't my forte!) I called a store in our area today, the salesman said that an NTE-102 was the same thing, and a LOT cheaper, but he called it a "switching" transistor...isn't that kind of like a thyratron? If it will still work OK, I'll order them from him. Thanks for the help, from me AND the kid! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Is this a line operated table radio or a battery > operated portable? Do you > have a schematic? > > I wouldn't worry about matching the transistors. I > assure you GE didn't when > they built it. Most radios of that genre (car > radios being the exception) > almost universally used the classic capacitor > coupled complementary push-pull > OTL circuit. This circuit can also be found as the > final RF stage on the Chris > Cuff board. > > There are usually two temperature compensation > diodes in the base circuit and > a small value resistor in each of emitters of the > output transistors if the > amp was > Class AB. Many only used one diode with the > emitters directly commoned to > form a Class B amplifier. > > If you wanted to use silicon, you would need to > replace both the output > transistors and temperature compensation diodes with > their silicon counterparts. > > In the meanwhile, let me look around for that > transistor. > > Mike > > > ************** > Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL > Music. > > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002548) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Feb 11 12:58:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98235 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2008 20:58:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2008 20:58:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.205) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2008 20:58:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63308 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2008 20:58:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: S6bAc1UVM1lVLTBChR03RgSgW_mxLsi18cqE7sZhmDvYGy8xqlhzjVjYJpL6A0eumA-- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:58:36 PST Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:58:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA3B05737F3C7C-F04-D99@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <799294.61971.qm@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} solid-state question? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=-X-Flz1h0r4qoUawUXDMOn7UyH8t6HhuRbYgEEAYMlSQZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Our emails must have passed each other in the wire! I just sent you one, then got this one. So the NTE-102 will work? That's great news. I'll contact you off forum...thanks! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > George, > > It appears what you need is a NTE102, which is the > PNP transistor in the output pair.? A NTE103 is its > NPN complement. > > http://nte01.nteinc.com/nte/NTExRefSemiProd.nsf/69d5aa3584d015ce85256e780056e56f?CreateDocument > > A pdf datasheet has been uploaded in the group File > section.? I have located a source which is far less > that $16 and I would be pleased to have one sent > directly to your snail mail address if you email it > to me privately.? No cost.? It's nice you're helping > out someone.? No, I'm not ordering it from Supreme > via?the Telex. > > Where the obsolete part bandits make out is > supplying replacement parts to the military.? When I > was with LTV Aerospace, we had some dated GFE test > sets that needed replacement parts from time to > time.? In the military, there is something called > configuration management and control.? That is, a > contractor must maintain an article of government > property exactly to the approved drawing.? To change > a drawing was a lengthy and expensive process.? So > what was a $1 garden variety transistor when the > equipment was originally designed?must be replaced > with the same item?no matter?the price for the life > of the equipment. > > Mike > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL > Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From badeditpro@comcast.net Tue Feb 12 07:55:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29487 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2008 15:55:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2008 15:55:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.62.40) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2008 15:55:38 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id odTX1Y00B0mv7h05407p00; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:55:26 +0000 X-Received: from joeandlynn ([71.62.246.80]) by OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ofvb1Y00D1koVkf3X00000; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:55:36 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=U4m0uM-O_Ti0JVpK6CkA:9 a=YUDpqNNVIh53L4sSbkCLKWrC5NwA:4 a=7mayv77iRtYA:10 a=4QWv5yBzkzhBafzUl-EA:9 a=EAEdHZCrCzmn_oVfVTwA:7 a=GShbgida76_Q7IClbOi9QzqbadoA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Message-ID: <000501c86d8f$ba8b4760$50f63e47@joeandlynn> To: "Petan, Roger" , "Fritz" , "AM Stereo Forum" , "Abrams, Kris" , "Allen, Mitch" Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:55:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 76.96.62.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: WLS LIVES! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=294947950; y=65HY-1c6EX_y2aiTXrhnH31FpzP1EaNIzNPaU3-i1W095ZAQ3hHX7kYRgZ0w X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yo, Stop what you're doing and watch this... You WILL be smilling! :) JC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imh-HiSPaDE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Feb 12 11:32:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7920 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2008 19:32:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2008 19:32:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s5.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.205) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2008 19:32:15 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W29 ([64.4.19.129]) by bay0-omc3-s5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:31:12 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:31:12 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2008 19:31:12.0476 (UTC) FILETIME=[D37921C0:01C86DAD] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: AM Stereo at 1200 khz near Nashville Tenn. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=zC0nzediJn8smeo2NXuput2MAT7FbkLb_5jumY1f26httZ-8em6v X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello group, I was travelling through Nasville Sunday past. I was in my Fiero with AM Stereo and this station light the AM Stereo pilot, but I could not detect any stereo separation. What is this station and are they actually in stereo or just lighting the pilot? Thanks, MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Feb 12 12:46:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94486 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2008 20:46:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2008 20:46:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.181) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2008 20:46:49 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v53so6521278pyh.33 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:46:45 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.87.10 with SMTP id p10mr1980658pyl.34.1202849204898; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:46:44 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:46:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80802121246p3ec89dc5p6c499cd6d366ba95@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:46:44 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo at 1200 khz near Nashville Tenn. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=vjpaxRosDqD0v13Ctk6ZoWScnSFodLSYDPx8YziFxcEqH8eMIfmqVgJR X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They are WAMB, 1200 with 50KW Day and 3800W Critical Hours, Non Directional. Their website is www.wamb.net and before anyone asks, the 99.3 FM they list on their website is translator station W257AR, with 3 Watts at 295 feet. Another AM station granted an FM translator. WGNS 1450, just south of Nashville has em too. Paul On Feb 12, 2008 2:31 PM, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO < mtgc@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello group, > > I was travelling through Nasville Sunday past. I was in my Fiero with AM > Stereo and this station light the AM Stereo pilot, but I could not detect > any stereo separation. > What is this station and are they actually in stereo or just lighting the > pilot? > > > Thanks, > > > MTGC (Michael) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Feb 12 13:27:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59694 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2008 21:27:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2008 21:27:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2008 21:27:21 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d09.2ac83986 (41809) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:27:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:27:12 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo at 1200 khz near Nashville Tenn. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Pkbnj3P_STMByuFlgLypI9wSznEPPUlcj0i7i1YBX1G5HpMiN7DyQw8iFZTYl9VO X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know. The station's groundwave doesn't reach St. Louis during the day and at night WOIA wipes out 1200 here. Interesting enough, although Coast to Coast AM originates here in St. Louis, none of the local stations carry it. So I have to rely on the 50 kW San Antonio blowtorch for the musings of Mr. Noory. There are a couple of stations here that occassionally put out the pilot but, as you said, the program material was monaural. I am not sure why they do it except for possibly testing purposes. Actually, it's not a good idea. The pilot tone enables the quadrature detection circuits in the receiver. With identical L and R signals, the only thing in the Q dectector is spurious junk which will be added back into the recovered audio if the pilot signal is present. Mike ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Feb 12 13:42:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66843 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2008 21:42:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2008 21:42:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2008 21:42:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17655 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2008 21:42:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _TWimScVM1kBQhHEX3as9w6S_nAKGVXxMLjpUHSFZFa4cQl22wCXvjCm2PcjCfa.Rzf6a6hPmg-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:42:35 PST Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:42:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <917276.17583.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo at 1200 khz near Nashville Tenn. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=HJFp9UwNTKn_JJhmDwNWwHHRmXG0JAmjzGgtgmcIp1s X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I don't know. The station's groundwave doesn't > reach St. Louis during the > day and at night WOIA wipes out 1200 here. > Interesting enough, although Coast > to Coast AM originates here in St. Louis, none of > the local stations carry it. > So I have to rely on the 50 kW San Antonio blowtorch > for the musings of Mr. > Noory. 550 does. And Coast to Coast SOMETIMES comes from St.Louis, mostly from LA...... WOAI Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From gowrone@gmail.com Tue Feb 12 13:44:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gowrone@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57741 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2008 21:44:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2008 21:44:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ti-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.142.187) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2008 21:44:47 -0000 X-Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j3so558199tid.19 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:44:46 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.110.3.15 with SMTP id 15mr1421887tic.52.1202852685626; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:44:45 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.11.2? ( [12.207.19.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h11sm1451515wxd.5.2008.02.12.13.44.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:44:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:44:41 -0600 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.142.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Matthew Elliff Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo at 1200 khz near Nashville Tenn. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=285717100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wait a minute. i've been st. louis before (i'm in s pringfield mo) doesn't ktrs 550 carry coast to coast? thought i heard it once when i was there visiting my brother. am i wrong? does noone carry it? found it whle dial surfing. 550 is gone due to 560 kwto the local being there. yeah woai would burry that nashville station here too. On Feb 12, 2008, at 3:27 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I don't know. The station's groundwave doesn't reach St. Louis > during the > day and at night WOIA wipes out 1200 here. Interesting enough, > although Coast > to Coast AM originates here in St. Louis, none of the local stations > carry it. > So I have to rely on the 50 kW San Antonio blowtorch for the musings > of Mr. > Noory. > > There are a couple of stations here that occassionally put out the > pilot but, > as you said, the program material was monaural. I am not sure why > they do it > except for possibly testing purposes. Actually, it's not a good > idea. The > pilot tone enables the quadrature detection circuits in the > receiver. With > identical L and R signals, the only thing in the Q dectector is > spurious junk > which will be added back into the recovered audio if the pilot > signal is present. > > Mike > > ************** > The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Feb 12 16:04:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58648 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2008 00:04:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2008 00:04:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2008 00:04:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26991 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2008 00:04:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: t9T5v9YVM1lcNaWxBUjdQgkFwiNl.OP._H.nzqMtWhu10OQSPiNsk4nXg0hXdJBuschrgX4MnsLA.HYj8pZJJ42VB_vYDWWdByCr9EXXmwXfFsx1LsZS7GKzne5eZg-- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:04:29 PST Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:04:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000501c86d8f$ba8b4760$50f63e47@joeandlynn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <416412.22514.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS LIVES! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=71JqW0MfjKE3H6ZCoaeVb6NPt3Pz3x4GZCkmZ-UJoAZYnA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Your right, Joe...I AM smiling! What a great station that once was. Seeing John "Records" Landecker do his "boogie check" sure brings back some fond memories. BTW, Records TRULY is his middle name...his mother called in one night and verified that on the air, hah-hah! George --- Joe Collins wrote: > Yo, > > Stop what you're doing and watch this... You WILL > be smilling! > > :) > > JC > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imh-HiSPaDE > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Feb 12 17:20:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9806 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2008 01:20:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2008 01:20:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2008 01:20:11 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c32.26732305 (34917) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:20:02 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from MBLK-M27 (mblk-m27.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.71]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA032-886547b245c21c0; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:20:02 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:20:01 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <416412.22514.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.71) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:20:01 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA3BF5B0962563-138-2241@MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS LIVES! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=1ZSKijkvZJC6KGJ4TE5UowZB0R1wSUu4xdJoBL6EBlmPRojHS6-a64KhpPFtv1qQ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BTW, Records TRULY is his middle name...his mother called in one night and verified that on the air, So it had to be true, right?? If you believe that, I'll send you a case of Old Style brewed up in God's Country.? I don't know what krausening is, but if Old Style was fully krausened, it's not something that does much for beer. Does anybody remember when Larry Lujack had it out with Steve and Gary on the air?? I had to pull over to the side of interstate I was laughing so hard.? Jim Johnson was right in the middle trying to be the solid serious newsman. That broadcast was legend and made the Chicago papers the next day.? Was it real or?reel?? Everyone denies it was staged.? Whatever it was, both Lujack's ratings in the morning drive and Steve and Gary's in the evening drive went through the roof with people tuning in with the hope of a reoccurrence and possible violence. Ah, how I miss Animal Stories and the minute details of the pregnancy of Steve Dahl's wife.? Now that was entertainment! Now we have Rush.? What can I say? Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 12 17:31:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14397 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2008 01:31:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2008 01:31:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23211.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.66) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2008 01:31:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49735 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2008 01:31:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Cte2T9AVM1k3fvZN_qKnIU3FUAuWB7DnjKMe7zGjFMPtDx4AacmbDikI9CcThWCgGYMwR.2wM2BEcTFkfmgCbxnQTsjPEsT363L_w_vaCM_VcWKNvnGG.xs- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23211.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:31:12 PST Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:31:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000501c86d8f$ba8b4760$50f63e47@joeandlynn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <447507.46884.qm@web23211.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS LIVES! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=tHImA-hNxX1VVnXE1cHs53kgpTSnXZxnqc_ZV7XtlEZMZW-C7mpB X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke This is good but I saw it months ago. -Kevin --- Joe Collins wrote: > Yo, > > Stop what you're doing and watch this... You WILL > be smilling! > > :) > > JC > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imh-HiSPaDE > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Feb 12 18:09:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55414 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2008 02:09:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2008 02:09:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2008 02:09:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7709 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2008 02:09:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: A74nx5MVM1kWMbi07llE3cEsg12EIYhCY2zPNWaosb0BuOZAihmPDLxTBz5nFzai2ik8lf5v6UMfXRfp3qffWHuu_dQLb3zzSvV.vaCvZ1V64bNxotM- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:09:04 PST Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:09:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA3BF5B0962563-138-2241@MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <828461.7641.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS LIVES! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=ppO2mgVRv6b9D0_VaNb4JI8H3NacwvGdzOlTn6eO_U-7Bg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Nah, I never believed it, but I think it WAS his real mother on the phone, doing a good bit of schtick on his behalf. Rush? Somebody seriously needs to parody him, like maybe...... Flush Rimbowl "Half my brain tied behind my back, and the other half in a slightly lower position!" G --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > BTW, Records TRULY is his middle name...his mother > called in one night and verified that on the air, > > > So it had to be true, right?? If you believe that, > I'll send you a case of Old Style brewed up in God's > Country.? I don't know what krausening is, but if > Old Style was fully krausened, it's not something > that does much for beer. > > Does anybody remember when Larry Lujack had it out > with Steve and Gary on the air?? I had to pull over > to the side of interstate I was laughing so hard.? > Jim Johnson was right in the middle trying to be the > solid serious newsman. > > That broadcast was legend and made the Chicago > papers the next day.? Was it real or?reel?? Everyone > denies it was staged.? Whatever it was, both > Lujack's ratings in the morning drive and Steve and > Gary's in the evening drive went through the roof > with people tuning in with the hope of a > reoccurrence and possible violence. > > Ah, how I miss Animal Stories and the minute details > of the pregnancy of Steve Dahl's wife.? Now that was > entertainment! > > Now we have Rush.? What can I say? > > Mike > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Feb 12 18:31:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20531 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2008 02:31:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2008 02:31:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2008 02:31:53 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c04.2cea22d9 (37119) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:31:44 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from MBLK-M27 (mblk-m27.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.71]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA015-90ff47b2568f99; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:31:43 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:31:43 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <828461.7641.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.71) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:31:43 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA3BFFB4FDECCE-138-25BE@MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS LIVES! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Huql3LGBg1GNcr_mXGPN6seufrfJKWXJz47UM_5M8JkP5XkK7yDPpmxlzP9bLRQF X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rush? Somebody seriously needs to parody him, like maybe...... Flush Rimbowl I think Michael Savage refers to Rush as Hush Bimbo.? By the way, did you know Rush comes from Missouri?? Believe it or not, his brother is a high level judge.? I guess we know where Rush was where they were handing out brains in that family. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditpro@comcast.net Wed Feb 13 03:46:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26329 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2008 11:46:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2008 11:46:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.62.16) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2008 11:46:45 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oyut1Y0020Fqzac5102u00; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:46:33 +0000 X-Received: from joeandlynn ([71.62.246.80]) by OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ozml1Y0031koVkf3U00000; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:46:45 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kvhqIl3PKzJqraYXIwoA:9 a=gCEosUUisaIuRaVGNjC6uu8U5-cA:4 a=ZKlmZI38X7UA:10 a=tAIBD_Fa-XAF0-3P7rIA:9 a=WRyvbXr3LPCCufE4Pfm1ZBqUNw8A:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Message-ID: <001001c86e36$227a2a20$50f63e47@joeandlynn> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 06:46:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 76.96.62.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: RE:WLS LIVES! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=294947950; y=p_ewe0KUGUIJDur57UY3NZFJxg6r08BU1wGBWCnsoYY7NmsU3_xvHwQ1EZjP X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, I know it's been out for a while but I just found it and had to share... I particularly enjoyed Fred Winston! There is a curious, surreal thing that happens sometimes when you SEE someone talking who you have mostly heard where the voice does not connect with the face. That happened when I watched the video. I have seen pictures of Fred but never met him. I love it when that happens! It was also nice to see Tom Kent doing his thing. He LOVES WLS. We have mutual friends and I have put Tom on every Oldies station I programmed since he started his show. I was shocked when Tom quit but not surprised. He was really burning the candle at both ends there toward the end. I don't know what he's working on right now but I'm sure he'll be back doing something incredible soon. Question: Was the 89 rewind broadcast in stereo and did anybody get an aircheck? I'd pay for a copy of that if they did. :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Feb 13 09:48:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1556 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2008 17:48:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2008 17:48:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.174) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2008 17:48:43 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.24]) by bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:48:07 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:48:05 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.14 by BLU108-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:48:00 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:48:00 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2008 17:48:05.0728 (UTC) FILETIME=[964C0E00:01C86E68] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE:WLS LIVES! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=WHRosopG7EkMRxH5Fexpdv7klAK-4YFLLzMSeCNsJI5qeL6B3PDWDntqudg X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Joe, Even though I was never able to pick up WLS with a strong enough signal to listen to; I am so glad you posted the video; it was new to me and I'm sure many others on the list. It seems radio used to fun, to listen to and to work in and sadly it seems (with a few exceptions) that time has passed. The video of WLS for me brought back many other memories of similiar stations here that I used to listen to..... WQAM 560, Miami, WFUN 790 ("FUN with a W") South Miami, WKXY- 930 Sarasota, WLOF 950- Orlando, the Big Ape WAPE 690 - Jacksonville (and at night WTIX 690- New Orleans), WALT 1110 Tampa and WLCY 1380 St Petersburg. All those stations were fun to listen to and it was obvious that the d.j.'s were having fun as well. Sometimes in the summer, while in Ohio, I would listen to the Big 8 CKLW, which I could pick up day and night ; another great station. Thanks again, for posting the video. Donn, St. Petersburg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Feb 13 10:34:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41906 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2008 18:34:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2008 18:34:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.162) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2008 18:34:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 72340 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2008 18:34:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LBQEnEEVM1mn9thY8XoJnyJt2jodPhljdFUQkIgJpUbUB0GqB_gZtgTbAVB.IbL7uob0bnUaKyfOeiaRBvJdH2Jn0KLor3lq8.oXhAs5Q59Hl88- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:34:10 PST Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:34:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <420657.71567.qm@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: AM Stereo at 1200 khz near Nashville Tenn. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=4e3fPnOsJA3tHDtaCP8libjaCpc_Yg4ieJui7x5Dd-oBPQdaMHdpKO0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I might disagree with you on running a stereo pilot; I know an engineer who runs one because he likes how it 'opens up' the audio bandwidth on his Delco AM stereo radio, even though he currently has mono audio feeding it. (eventually stereo audio when the boss upgrades his board). ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Feb 13 12:13:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68193 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2008 20:13:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2008 20:13:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2008 20:13:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 99113 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2008 20:13:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NySKQUcVM1k0cNYagLUNggooTMA6tv_w96KUx2DNG0mkG.ik0hSe4SJkLP2MynPqkyZbKTj6M3h1CXlmd4Wcq5ccUfvbIZwVeh17Y87Ef7OFDe01YK3yUpFMeQ-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:13:42 PST Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:13:42 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <784981.98978.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: WCCO-AM STEREO (Back To The Future) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=pFRPrR8yJKtZcpSTwaA41TL2_oRwQWeuxHQPwa2kU50QyEEraixtsNY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Go here for a look at WCCO-AM STEREO (from 1985) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Ji6rv-7Ss ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 13 13:22:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75586 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2008 21:22:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2008 21:22:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2008 21:22:36 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c5a.26a6efcb (42807) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:22:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:22:05 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE:WLS LIVES! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=0ljgkrx34UBrMVvrR0th6If_JXr-eYvFJwXSIEV_uVMIj06bXb5UQe_CdoaHVUir X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Donn, As you probably know, WQAM and WTIX were Storz stations. As far as faces not matching voices, that was why many DJs never made the transition from radio to TV. KXOK would publish the Sing Along Survey each week featuring one of the on-air personalities. Some of pictures were 20 years old if the guy EVER looked like that. You could bet your Silver Dollar Survey if they used a characature, the guy looked like a troll. There were exceptions like Delcia Devin, who, by some strange coincidence got all the remotes from the big sponsors. I remember when Don Imus had his morning talk show. A listener said he looked like a worn leather saddlebag. And not in a good way. Mike ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 13 13:40:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82414 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2008 21:40:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2008 21:40:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2008 21:40:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d06.26fe8bb8 (42807) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:40:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:40:42 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo at 1200 khz near Nashville Tenn. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=LnXOdMdKnIFetO0G3rVfR01tnw5R28qj-h4OqP8axuWz9tWRsPzZKlewpcvR67Xm X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/13/08 12:34:50 PM Central Standard Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > I might disagree with you on running a stereo pilot; I know an engineer > who runs one because he likes how it 'opens up' the audio bandwidth on > his Delco AM stereo radio, even though he currently has mono audio > feeding it. That is true. The Delco radio in my car is the same way. It is a tradeoff between high end response, what there is of it, and noise. Alot of mono stations intentionally roll their high end off, so there's nothing there to receive. As the pilot is purely phase modulated, there is no mono AM modulation penalty. However, skywave fade and nulls in a directional array pattern will create unintended phase modulation which will put artifacts in the quadrature detector and the recovered audio if there is a pilot present to trigger the AMS circuitry. For a non-directional station where skywave coverage isn't a concern, you may have a point. I know some extended band stations would transmit the pilot with seemingly no seperation. Mike ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Feb 13 15:43:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6433 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2008 23:43:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2008 23:43:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2008 23:43:16 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.55.219] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080213174247000615000003> for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:42:47 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00c601c86e9a$f1f76380$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <8CA3BFFB4FDECCE-138-25BE@MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:42:47 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS LIVES! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=azItJQNExAJF7Ujig1daqrEs3BcC1X5Wynr2SlSSbBtkuIyyhuhV X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And he makes more money than all of them combined. Pretty dumb I'd say. Frankly I think C2C is a waste of watts. It seems to be a confirmation of G K Chesterton's observation that when people stop believing in God they don't believe in nothing but rather will believe in anything. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com Rush? Somebody seriously needs to parody him, like maybe...... Flush Rimbowl I think Michael Savage refers to Rush as Hush Bimbo.? By the way, did you know Rush comes from Missouri?? Believe it or not, his brother is a high level judge.? I guess we know where Rush was where they were handing out brains in that family. Mike __________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. 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Groups Wellness Spot A resource for living the Curves lifestyle. . __ --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Feb 13 17:49:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80183 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2008 01:49:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2008 01:49:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s17.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.217) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2008 01:49:36 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W14 ([64.4.19.114]) by bay0-omc3-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:49:36 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:49:36 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2008 01:49:36.0899 (UTC) FILETIME=[DAC6E530:01C86EAB] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo at 1200 khz near Nashville Tenn. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=aQ-39IFx2pfLoqO8D1W96yW9lBKKnqIMQhO9SM-NzG0VcR8BeVON X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I emailed the sales manager at the station telling him about my experiences with the Pilot being on and no separation, and he said in his email that they were transmitting in stereo and the lack of separation had to be a technical problem and he would get with their chief engineer to investigate and he would get back to me as soon as he had an answer to the problem. It was a surprise that I got a response from the station. I will keep the group appraised of all information I get from this station. MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 13 19:38:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86530 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2008 03:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2008 03:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2008 03:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c19.2ed4e7a9 (37128) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:38:13 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from MBLK-M10 (mblk-m10.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.43]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA022-910847b3b7a5296; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:38:13 -0500 References: <000f01c86a5c$df584a60$50f63e47@joeandlynn> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:38:13 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <000f01c86a5c$df584a60$50f63e47@joeandlynn> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by MBLK-M10.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.43) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:38:12 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA3CD22925D897-9F4-1F39@MBLK-M10.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OF RADIO AND RAILROADS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=W4QdVAcCvwDytghxUxUZUNnNvXeN2zm3-OXwptt2r69eYfwXdv0z0whti5ihWrIG X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe, I think Amtrak is great.? My friend and I took Amtrak from St. Louis to Chicago for $23 each.? You can't better that!? In St. Louis our Amtrak station is just shack by the track.? Our fabulous Union Station has been turned into a bunch of botiques and overpriced eateries.? The nice thing about the train is being able to just walk on, at least in St. Louis, and arriving in Downtown Chicago right in the middle of everything.? The alternative is arriving at Lambert 2 hours early.? Waiting for a plane that is usually late or cancelled.? Fighting through O'Hare and arguing with the rental car company.? Then the traffic from the airport downtown. The problem with steam locomotives is few use condensers which makes then rather inefficient.? The few steam lines I know use waste oil to fire the boiler.? I've always been fascinated by steam train.? In late 19th Century, one hit 122 MPH.? Pretty impressive in the days of horse and buggies. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Feb 13 19:40:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90235 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2008 03:40:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2008 03:40:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.176) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2008 03:40:18 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b50so260593pyh.30 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:40:17 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.54.19 with SMTP id g19mr866620pyk.25.1202960417718; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:40:17 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:40:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80802131940x186f815an16f3c1246c626cb0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:40:17 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA3CD22925D897-9F4-1F39@MBLK-M10.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000f01c86a5c$df584a60$50f63e47@joeandlynn> <8CA3CD22925D897-9F4-1F39@MBLK-M10.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} OF RADIO AND RAILROADS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=c4cp038vemFXPgDD8rdZ6fnD4bYlPC7a5D6tz3YLMfmcyBQixTSvZlCh X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I took a train from New Orleans, Louisana to Williston, North Dakota (NW Corner of the state) with a layover/connection in Chicago. If you have a roomette (with a bed to slep in over night) they are much more comfortable. Mind you, expensive.. but nice, as you also get breakfast. I like trains 'cuse you don't have to go through nearly as muchsecurity and want in such long lines as a plane/airport. Paul On Feb 13, 2008 10:38 PM, wrote: > Joe, > > I think Amtrak is great.? My friend and I took Amtrak from St. Louis to > Chicago for $23 each.? You can't better that!? In St. Louis our Amtrak > station is just shack by the track.? Our fabulous Union Station has been > turned into a bunch of botiques and overpriced eateries.? The nice thing > about the train is being able to just walk on, at least in St. Louis, and > arriving in Downtown Chicago right in the middle of everything.? The > alternative is arriving at Lambert 2 hours early.? Waiting for a plane that > is usually late or cancelled.? Fighting through O'Hare and arguing with the > rental car company.? Then the traffic from the airport downtown. > > The problem with steam locomotives is few use condensers which makes then > rather inefficient.? The few steam lines I know use waste oil to fire the > boiler.? I've always been fascinated by steam train.? In late 19th Century, > one hit 122 MPH.? Pretty impressive in the days of horse and buggies. > > Mike > > __________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 14 00:23:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79540 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2008 08:23:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2008 08:23:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.203) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2008 08:23:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 35053 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2008 08:23:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO i5d3d0) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@71.155.150.230 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2008 08:23:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: a5Ceg3AVM1nEuZNcmlXHf22pZgKn0OAfxHCsfqhRR2EhHgwW X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001101c86ee3$0c9b6040$f968fea9@i5d3d0> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:24:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Thats still to hear X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=OD1NDDBaBbNM6WGE8QNgOG2Jv8XBz4jzYMA-D4r8Xjek0IqqTGgZYyIqGO_ikZOZ8Jas82lt X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Thats still good to hear that there is still music stations on AM in this country. I wish that there was more in my area. I had just found out that the only AM music station I can get on week days now simocast on FM now. KUBA AM 1600 FM 95.5 Yuba City Ca. I hope that thay don't sell there AM off like KFRC AM 610 or going talk. YUK!!!!!!!!!!!! Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Feb 14 00:32:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49746 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2008 08:32:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2008 08:32:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ti-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.142.185) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2008 08:32:26 -0000 X-Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a20so274522tia.10 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:32:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.78.15 with SMTP id f15mr362940ybl.187.1202977945522; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:32:25 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.225.21 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:32:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80802140032s51b1bcffl4e3f7b21178158d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:32:25 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001101c86ee3$0c9b6040$f968fea9@i5d3d0> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <001101c86ee3$0c9b6040$f968fea9@i5d3d0> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.142.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Thats still to hear X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=-WRXHhlOk5w_jd7qhWzg5FvMX0ByqmsQcPtCb5DzZH3OdPTB6IZFBWMI X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 95.5 FM is K238AV, a 10 Watt Translator 10 miles away from Yuba City Paul On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 3:24 AM, wrote: > Hi Gang Thats still good to hear that there is still music stations on > AM in this country. I wish that there was more in my area. I had just found > out that the only AM music station I can get on week days now simocast on FM > now. KUBA AM 1600 FM 95.5 Yuba City Ca. I hope that thay don't sell there > AM off like KFRC AM 610 or going talk. YUK!!!!!!!!!!!! Jim S > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 14 15:33:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7779 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2008 23:33:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2008 23:33:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.131) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2008 23:33:06 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2008 23:33:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2008 23:33:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2008 23:33:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:33:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80802140032s51b1bcffl4e3f7b21178158d@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.8.104.210 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Thats still to hear X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=w--LZ2G83h9J2RcSrKfIk_py7c75VGRs-C9wGJvcLRUhVX60HfHuT_O9VwJFs994dKNSvMnV X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 wrote: > > 95.5 FM is K238AV, a 10 Watt Translator 10 miles away from Yuba City >=20 > Paul >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 3:24 AM, wrote: >=20 > > Hi Gang Thats still good to hear that there is still music=20 stations on > > AM in this country. I wish that there was more in my area. I had=20 just found > > out that the only AM music station I can get on week days now=20 simocast on FM > > now. KUBA AM 1600 FM 95.5 Yuba City Ca. I hope that thay don't=20 sell there > > AM off like KFRC AM 610 or going talk. YUK!!!!!!!!!!!! Jim S > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Paul That would exsplane way I could not find that one on the FCC=20 web site. Jim S From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Feb 14 15:36:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56979 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2008 23:36:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2008 23:36:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2008 23:36:11 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id d32so585149pye.21 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:36:10 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.33.15 with SMTP id l15mr2130179pyj.61.1203032169175; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:36:09 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:36:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80802141536m2bbf0c2u409d313b77b66e2f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:36:09 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80802140032s51b1bcffl4e3f7b21178158d@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Thats still to hear X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=iHS-gPScPYIuv5cFQtNwrhy6JwWHl3VKnxBoUwfZUR_zH-UQLhAcnVoS X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uh, if it's a licensed translator (which the 99.5 fm is, thats relaying 1600AM).. it will sure as hell be on the FCC website. Go to http://www.fcc.gov/search then click FM Query on the left hand side and type i nthe call lettersi nthe appropriate box Paul On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:33 PM, jim smith wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > wrote: > > > > 95.5 FM is K238AV, a 10 Watt Translator 10 miles away from Yuba City > > > > Paul > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Paul That would exsplane way I could not find that one on the FCC > web site. Jim S > > > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Feb 14 15:36:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11679 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2008 23:36:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2008 23:36:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.176) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2008 23:36:54 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v53so670638pyh.33 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:36:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.77.18 with SMTP id e18mr2178632pyl.20.1203032214280; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:36:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:36:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80802141536h18c8ef3euc79ceac118f7340b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:36:48 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80802141536m2bbf0c2u409d313b77b66e2f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80802140032s51b1bcffl4e3f7b21178158d@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80802141536m2bbf0c2u409d313b77b66e2f@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Thats still to hear X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=RA920WDSLiq0WfpvmvLWW4uGHtBwaEIn1wTulyRiw9LnmuZ0P9R-l1Ky X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Er, excuse me, that should be 95.5 FM. Paul On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. < walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> wrote: > Uh, if it's a licensed translator (which the 99.5 fm is, thats relaying > 1600AM).. it will sure as hell be on the FCC website. > > Go to http://www.fcc.gov/search then click FM Query on the left hand side > and type i nthe call lettersi nthe appropriate box > > Paul > > > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:33 PM, jim smith > wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > > wrote: > > > > > > 95.5 FM is K238AV, a 10 Watt Translator 10 miles away from Yuba City > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Hi Paul That would exsplane way I could not find that one on the FCC > > web site. Jim S > > > > > > . > > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 14 19:19:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6568 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2008 03:19:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2008 03:19:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.130) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2008 03:19:40 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 03:19:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 03:19:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 03:19:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:19:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80802141536h18c8ef3euc79ceac118f7340b@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.144.185 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Thats still to hear X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=1udPF3E9i41NlEVdQ2RIWPtvKAJT32VvYCJ5rDvL7FN1Z9CD2FdOlyW3jNRp1ckLxWm2E-Tk X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 wrote: > > Er, excuse me, that should be 95.5 FM. >=20 > Paul >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. < > walkerbroadcasting@...> wrote: >=20 > > Uh, if it's a licensed translator (which the 99.5 fm is, thats=20 relaying > > 1600AM).. it will sure as hell be on the FCC website. > > > > Go to http://www.fcc.gov/search then click FM Query on the left=20 hand side > > and type i nthe call lettersi nthe appropriate box > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:33 PM, jim smith > > wrote: > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > > > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > 95.5 FM is K238AV, a 10 Watt Translator 10 miles away from=20 Yuba City > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > Hi Paul That would exsplane way I could not find that one on=20 the FCC > > > web site. Jim S > > > > > >=20 > > > . > > > > > > >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Guys I went by KUBA not what the traslater calls where whitch I=20 did not know. Jim S From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Feb 14 19:29:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90438 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2008 03:29:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2008 03:29:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.181) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2008 03:29:20 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id d32so646244pye.21 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:29:20 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.90.1 with SMTP id s1mr2352167pyl.53.1203046159951; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:29:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.18.2 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:29:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80802141929i40f5f022gfff756799f4bf91b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:29:19 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80802141536h18c8ef3euc79ceac118f7340b@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Thats still to hear X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=N932BmQwI3WKAhKKAc_E96gAKLbo-_UXlqCpdCZqTWkQTRE4ICF2FAlX X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hate to sound mena, but in my original reply to the email you sent out, I included the translator calls... Plus, you knew the frequency, it's not that hard to figur eout. www.radio-locator.com is a decent too tool Paul On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:19 PM, jim smith wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > wrote: > > > > Er, excuse me, that should be 95.5 FM. > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. < > > walkerbroadcasting@...> wrote: > > > > > Uh, if it's a licensed translator (which the 99.5 fm is, thats > relaying > > > 1600AM).. it will sure as hell be on the FCC website. > > > > > > Go to http://www.fcc.gov/search then click FM Query on the left > hand side > > > and type i nthe call lettersi nthe appropriate box > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:33 PM, jim smith > > > wrote: > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > 95.5 FM is K238AV, a 10 Watt Translator 10 miles away from > Yuba City > > > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > Hi Paul That would exsplane way I could not find that one on > the FCC > > > > web site. Jim S > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sincerely, > > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Guys I went by KUBA not what the traslater calls where whitch I > did not know. Jim S > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 14 19:38:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39408 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2008 03:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2008 03:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2008 03:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 03:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 03:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 03:38:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:38:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80802141929i40f5f022gfff756799f4bf91b@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.144.185 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Thats still to hear X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=Q2tNnd6lMNsLl32EMsiYT60zMSE_TQlu2GNU0Noc2u4BEm0oT7ORmZkCl9yJiM0Y4cfXAtZq X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 wrote: > > I hate to sound mena, but in my original reply to the email you=20 sent out, I > included the translator calls... >=20 > Plus, you knew the frequency, it's not that hard to figur eout. >=20 > www.radio-locator.com is a decent too tool >=20 > Paul >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:19 PM, jim smith > wrote: >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > > wrote: > > > > > > Er, excuse me, that should be 95.5 FM. > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. < > > > walkerbroadcasting@> wrote: > > > > > > > Uh, if it's a licensed translator (which the 99.5 fm is, thats > > relaying > > > > 1600AM).. it will sure as hell be on the FCC website. > > > > > > > > Go to http://www.fcc.gov/search then click FM Query on the=20 left > > hand side > > > > and type i nthe call lettersi nthe appropriate box > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:33 PM, jim smith > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > 95.5 FM is K238AV, a 10 Watt Translator 10 miles away from > > Yuba City > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Paul That would exsplane way I could not find that one on > > the FCC > > > > > web site. Jim S > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sincerely, > > > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > > > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > > > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Hi Guys I went by KUBA not what the traslater calls where whitch I > > did not know. Jim S > > > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Paul I did the search before I sent the message. And I did it on=20 FCC site so i will try what you said a little later. Its dinner time.=20 Jim S From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 14 19:53:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67565 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2008 03:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2008 03:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.234) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2008 03:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 03:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 03:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 03:53:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:53:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80802140032s51b1bcffl4e3f7b21178158d@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.144.185 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Thats still to hear X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=-4KpwODKECdjBWyQUPxUlmyv21XUWsl8TL4uIsqN89Oy6sqQNMjZTbyokj21HQfHTHlHgJjX X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 wrote: > > 95.5 FM is K238AV, a 10 Watt Translator 10 miles away from Yuba City >=20 > Paul >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 3:24 AM, wrote: >=20 > > Hi Gang Thats still good to hear that there is still music=20 stations on > > AM in this country. I wish that there was more in my area. I had=20 just found > > out that the only AM music station I can get on week days now=20 simocast on FM > > now. KUBA AM 1600 FM 95.5 Yuba City Ca. I hope that thay don't=20 sell there > > AM off like KFRC AM 610 or going talk. YUK!!!!!!!!!!!! Jim S > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Paul 10 watts 10 miles from Yuba City Ca!?!? I wonder how the=20 signal gets to town. All though its out in the valley where its flat.=20 Jim S From djjayarnold@yahoo.com Fri Feb 15 07:53:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: djjayarnold@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40881 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2008 15:53:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2008 15:53:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.31) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2008 15:53:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 15:53:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2008 15:53:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:53:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.111.166.95 From: "djjayarnold" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Thats still to hear X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=317204437; y=Y8K3KEeAr8V9YjIGriTmZWm1DPJkC2NTvQGdc_PT4u07mgk8CR4 X-Yahoo-Profile: djjayarnold --- jim smith wrote:>=20 > Hi Paul 10 watts 10 miles from Yuba City Ca!?!?=20 > I wonder how the signal gets to town. Although its=20 > out in the valley where its flat.=20 > Jim S Another source to check out (though it says KNCO-FM, which is KUBA's sister station): http://www.recnet.com/cdbs/fmq.php?facid=3D139605&jaws=3D0 --jay From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Feb 15 12:16:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61760 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2008 20:15:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2008 20:15:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu139-omc1-s14.blu139.hotmail.com) (65.55.175.154) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2008 20:15:58 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W17 ([65.55.162.183]) by blu139-omc1-s14.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:15:57 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo , Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:15:57 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2008 20:15:57.0782 (UTC) FILETIME=[93478F60:01C8700F] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.175.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: WLCY - sonic salute X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=Hz_O369kkzMJD4WtzaEZHPvKfjJl3oKCB11occm89C3OI-MncbfiJJcFInA X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Time frame is the usual, 4 - 9 pm Eastern Standard Time, today, 15 Feb 2008. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Feb 15 12:16:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30446 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2008 20:16:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2008 20:16:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu139-omc1-s15.blu139.hotmail.com) (65.55.175.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2008 20:16:13 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W1 ([65.55.162.181]) by blu139-omc1-s15.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:13:15 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo , Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:13:14 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2008 20:13:15.0459 (UTC) FILETIME=[32870930:01C8700F] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.175.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. Petersburg/Tampa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=76Wczn0BSYSgs9Ot5Y_JcdwY9aT3S08YuyfaDDa9VrETnCInHU4dU5NNI8Y X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rahall's communications WLCY is featured this week. WLCY was constantly number one in the ratings throughout the 1960's. Mentions today include ESSO gasoline prices, Pier 60 at Clearwater Beach and cruising on the weekends at the Steak and Shake. WLCY - 1380 KC 5,000 watts day and night; directional at night; the transmitter site remains in the same location, in a saltwater marsh on the causeway (Gandy) connecting Tampa and St. Petersburg on the St. Petersburg side; although WLCY was licensed to both cities; but reception was (and still is) iffy at night in north Tampa. Supposedly WLCY was one of the first directional stations in the U.S. Prior call letters before WLCY were WTSP. Today 1380 is a Radio Disney station in mono and half the time, no IBOC during the day, but IBOC at night, which from what I've read is the reverse of all the other IBOC stations here. I don't think its intentional that they run the IBOC at random, just think the automation isn't up to speed or someone is asleep at the switch. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Feb 15 14:39:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62232 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2008 22:39:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2008 22:39:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.245) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2008 22:39:41 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so179055ana.65 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:39:40 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.171.10 with SMTP id t10mr4809678ane.58.1203115180397; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:39:40 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.140.13 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:39:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80802151439h52f086e7ld33833770f3c122@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:39:40 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.245 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Thats still to hear X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=otBzzf344B3ew5p-bx_L3SHnz88QUhJvL8dgSiaThUlWA1ZYz8J1n0_S X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AM stations that have been getting FM translators are using buying those translators from an exsisting station that is using them. And since these translators are being used by AM stations under a Special Temporary Authority, I'm not sure recnet.com or radio-locator.com will ever actually show the Am station thats using them. Paul On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:53 AM, djjayarnold wrote: > --- jim smith > > wrote:> > > Hi Paul 10 watts 10 miles from Yuba City Ca!?!? > > I wonder how the signal gets to town. Although its > > out in the valley where its flat. > > Jim S > > Another source to check out (though it says KNCO-FM, > which is KUBA's sister station): > > http://www.recnet.com/cdbs/fmq.php?facid=139605&jaws=0 > > --jay > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 15 16:01:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46861 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 00:01:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 00:01:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 00:01:26 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d49.213faca7 (48552) for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:01:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:01:33 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5003 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. Petersburg/Tampa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=GM9-FsLVdnQvwkFo-tHZOcjJvz2yT-71zfGelqXRzwFiixEgyoU_w2BVWk3WbJYn X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/15/08 2:16:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, florida_amstereo@hotmail.com writes: cruising on the weekends at the Steak and Shake. In St. Louis it was Steak and Shake (city) and Chuck-a-Burger(county). On Friday and Saturday nights, the smoke from the burning rubber would choke you. Of course, the radio was Johnny Rabbit and KXOK. Steak and Shake is now just a bunch of old farts like me who need someplace to alternate between to avoid being banned at the White Castle on nights IHOP don't have some kind of specials. Our electric assisted chairs just can't lay down the rubber like a 65 GTO with Tri-power. Mike **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Feb 15 16:11:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70526 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 00:10:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 00:10:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.250) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 00:10:58 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d23so208386and.39 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:10:57 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.227.20 with SMTP id z20mr5036735ang.8.1203120657721; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:10:57 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.140.13 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:10:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80802151610i57b3107aj5419421b2b93e22a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:10:57 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. Petersburg/Tampa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=pKrRLxbPY56x0_9DOrmunZzEo5d9aXMKKjTEng9BD9vfOQB_5fNaTcDJ X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They don't run IBOC during the day because of intereference issues with their IBOC sidebands and the analog signal of an adjacent channel AM station. Paul On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Rahall's communications WLCY is featured this week. WLCY was constantly > number one in the ratings throughout the 1960's. Mentions today include ESSO > gasoline prices, Pier 60 at Clearwater Beach and cruising on the weekends at > the Steak and Shake. > > WLCY - 1380 KC 5,000 watts day and night; directional at night; the > transmitter site remains in the same location, in a saltwater marsh on the > causeway (Gandy) connecting Tampa and St. Petersburg on the St. Petersburg > side; although WLCY was licensed to both cities; but reception was (and > still is) iffy at night in north Tampa. > > Supposedly WLCY was one of the first directional stations in the U.S. > Prior call letters before WLCY were WTSP. > > Today 1380 is a Radio Disney station in mono and half the time, no IBOC > during the day, but IBOC at night, which from what I've read is the reverse > of all the other IBOC stations here. I don't think its intentional that they > run the IBOC at random, just think the automation isn't up to speed or > someone is asleep at the switch. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Feb 15 16:43:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14059 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 00:43:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 00:43:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s38.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.110) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 00:43:48 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.18]) by bay0-omc1-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:42:40 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:42:40 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.13 by BLU108-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:42:34 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:42:34 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2008 00:42:40.0274 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5820F20:01C87034] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. Petersburg/Tampa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=bd3Wqrn2QA1n3-kPNSghSdFnsFgoNqXGBk5ISED6oEvJYK8Sez-E2V1rpqE X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Paul, That's make sense and I read on one of the radio boards that some listeners of 1400 in Zephryhills and nearby Wesley Chapel were complaining about the IBOC hash from 1380 interferring with 1400. Zephyrhills is about 50 miles n.e. of 1380's towers. The funny/odd thing is though that some days they do run it, and some days they don't, it's after sunset here now, will have to check it out; maybe they finally have their act together. Then most nights they run IBOC, but not every night, the inconsistency is what I find amazing. Of course the station is satellite fed as a Disney Station and there's nothing live or local or all, no time checks, traffic , weather etc. I'm assuming they at least do the legal i.d. at or near the top of the hour, unless they've managed to foul that up. All the other stations here that run IBOC do not run it at night and they are consistent with that. Donn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Feb 15 16:55:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86828 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 00:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 00:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.240) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 00:55:20 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b2so189497ana.88 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:55:16 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.31.3 with SMTP id e3mr5116465ane.1.1203123316630; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:55:16 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.140.13 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:55:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80802151655j3b632dces38f4e8abc169c55f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:55:16 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. Petersburg/Tampa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=Erw1Q72JdZlRIqutw72IoJYnj_6cxhRFci03b4fVuG5ihLGkhsIR1v8k X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The problems I heard were because of Radio Disney 1380's IBOC sidebands destroying the local coverage of WFHT 1390 Avon Park, completely obliterating alot of useable signal. Paul On Feb 15, 2008 7:42 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Hi Paul, > > That's make sense and I read on one of the radio boards that some > listeners of 1400 in Zephryhills and nearby Wesley Chapel were complaining > about the IBOC hash from 1380 interferring with 1400. Zephyrhills is about > 50 miles n.e. of 1380's towers. > > The funny/odd thing is though that some days they do run it, and some days > they don't, it's after sunset here now, will have to check it out; maybe > they finally have their act together. > > Then most nights they run IBOC, but not every night, the inconsistency is > what I find amazing. Of course the station is satellite fed as a Disney > Station and there's nothing live or local or all, no time checks, traffic , > weather etc. > > I'm assuming they at least do the legal i.d. at or near the top of the > hour, unless they've managed to foul that up. > > All the other stations here that run IBOC do not run it at night and they > are consistent with that. > > Donn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Feb 15 16:57:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46150 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 00:57:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 00:57:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.231) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 00:57:16 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.24]) by bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:57:16 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:57:15 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.13 by BLU108-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:57:11 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:57:10 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2008 00:57:15.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF5E6730:01C87036] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. Petersburg/Tampa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=diWORnmm5gvr8cT1iIj2EOrf28WMe5j4wLk8OpM06H99PAgCVd7MBQuukUg X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We still have Steak and Shake here and amazingly the only one in St Petersburg seems to cater to a mostly younger crowd, just like they did in the 60's and 70's; I don't know about the ones in Tampa or Bradenton. Also big in the 60's and 70's among the high school crowd was Frishes' (sp?)Big Boy. I'm familiar with White Castle, since my parents are from Columbus, the home of White Castle...... but White Castle never had any locations in the Tampa Bay area, but we did have a White Castle Imitator called Royal Castle, but they have long since disappeared. Of course for fast food in the late 60's and early 70's there was also Burger King, McDonald's, Burger Queen, Biff Burger and a regional chain (that lasted several years) called Wagon Ho. (I realize that even if they had succeeded, they would have to had changed the last part of their name!) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 15 17:06:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82138 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 01:06:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 01:06:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.112) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 01:06:25 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2008 01:06:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2008 01:06:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2008 01:06:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:06:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80802151439h52f086e7ld33833770f3c122@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.48.13 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Thats still to hear X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=Nk2YWMk6rNAlhbkOvlD8qidho5WJv7cG_rfMf79HrV9DBv-gcsEjLTlqAWwUhMfmvuzoxl0b X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 wrote: > > AM stations that have been getting FM translators are using buying=20 those > translators from an exsisting station that is using them. >=20 > And since these translators are being used by AM stations under a=20 Special > Temporary Authority, I'm not sure recnet.com or radio-locator.com=20 will ever > actually show the Am station thats using them. >=20 > Paul >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:53 AM, djjayarnold =20 wrote: >=20 > > --- jim smith > > > wrote:> > > > Hi Paul 10 watts 10 miles from Yuba City Ca!?!? > > > I wonder how the signal gets to town. Although its > > > out in the valley where its flat. > > > Jim S > > > > Another source to check out (though it says KNCO-FM, > > which is KUBA's sister station): > > > > http://www.recnet.com/cdbs/fmq.php?facid=3D139605&jaws=3D0 > > > > --jay > > > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang I found it on the FCC web site. Its about 10 mile NE of Yuba=20 City Ca. I can also get KNCO AM 830 from Grass Vally Ca. The FM 95.5=20 is licened to East Serria Radio Group so I geuss Nevda County=20 Broadcasters have a contract for FM 95.5. Jim S From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Feb 15 17:10:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30874 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 01:10:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 01:10:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s18.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.90) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 01:10:48 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.21]) by bay0-omc1-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:10:20 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:10:20 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.13 by BLU108-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:10:14 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:10:13 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2008 01:10:20.0403 (UTC) FILETIME=[B305A430:01C87038] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. Petersburg/Tampa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=MQf5XcA-atgAK13Lmx1B9HoCBcTIbPUtPzMvcPktbsitG3SqH6eiCqqwQ1Y X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now I recall reading about that problem as well and it surprised me since it has to be at least 70 miles between n.e. St Petersburg where 1380 has it's towers and Avon Park, but the more I think about it, I'm sure it's possible and there's no reason to doubt it. I'm surprised that WVLG (The Villages) 640 hasn't filed a complaint about ClearChannel's WDAE 620 curtailing their southern coverage area, but the difference might be the hash from 620 doesn't quite make it to the Villages itself, but does make it impossible to listen to 640 in some areas where WVLG used to be listenable. (WVLG btw- is live and local from 6am until midnight 7 days a week and has a music format and the emphasis is on local events and news) I don't think IBOC hash makes good neighbors, fences might, but not IBOC hash. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Feb 15 17:17:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68852 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 01:17:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 01:17:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.241) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 01:17:15 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d30so195311and.86 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:17:15 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.140.10 with SMTP id n10mr5037547and.97.1203124634802; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:17:14 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.140.13 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:17:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80802151717wa576923ibc535d01117a7058@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:17:14 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. Petersburg/Tampa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=-F0ZXoMpP4R_l6nilBrIzx9R_S8ia4_75OCdJwyl8tlzLTeery3E5GsU X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't say too much about 1390, but I know people directly involved with WFHT 1390 so that's where some of my information comes from. Paul On Feb 15, 2008 8:10 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Now I recall reading about that problem as well and it surprised me > since it has to be at least 70 miles between n.e. St Petersburg where 1380 > has it's towers and Avon Park, but the more I think about it, I'm sure it's > possible and there's no reason to doubt it. > > I'm surprised that WVLG (The Villages) 640 hasn't filed a complaint about > ClearChannel's WDAE 620 curtailing their southern coverage area, but the > difference might be the hash from 620 doesn't quite make it to the Villages > itself, but does make it impossible to listen to 640 in some areas where > WVLG used to be listenable. > > (WVLG btw- is live and local from 6am until midnight 7 days a week and has > a music format and the emphasis is on local events and news) > > I don't think IBOC hash makes good neighbors, fences might, but not IBOC > hash. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Feb 15 17:32:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25008 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 01:32:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 01:32:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 01:32:29 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.17]) by bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:32:26 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:32:25 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.13 by BLU108-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:32:21 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:32:20 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2008 01:32:25.0617 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8E94010:01C8703B] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. Petersburg/Tampa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=Iw_oR1fN9nOx3JFq9_0hOPEUw4ggxbp2-XxpLRVS6UAhAePPPvzj4kLKYzM X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well I have to commend the people at 1390 for filing the complaint and also to commend either the FCC or 1380 (or both) for stopping the daytime IBOC hash. (at least most days). I know I had read where the Canadian Government had also complained about the IBOC hash interfering with the coverage of some Canadian stations and the last I heard, our FCC was just sitting on the complaint and not taking any action. I hope someone can tell me that has changed and someone at the FCC is trying to alleviate that problem. I also know that KDKA 1120 in Pittsburgh and 1130 WBZ in Boston have cut into each other's nighttime service areas and they are both owned by the same corporate conglomerate. Also there's a station in Rochester, NY (WYSL - 1040) that has filed a complaint about 1030 WBZ's BuZzzzzzzzzzz/IBOC Hash interfering with their nighttime coverage area. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Feb 15 17:33:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61877 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 01:33:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 01:33:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.248) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 01:33:25 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c28so209156ana.67 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:33:25 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.107.7 with SMTP id f7mr5147747anc.35.1203125605053; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:33:25 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.140.13 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:33:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80802151733w67e8520cq7106131416ae0073@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:33:24 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. Petersburg/Tampa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=Z12n6nfmUYf9SZJRYiCP01Gyi2LpkEqdtMH0C8_HUNSIQqHf7avpPdpk X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There was no complaint filed on 1390's part.... they are dealing directly with the folks at Radio Disney 1380. Paul On Feb 15, 2008 8:32 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Well I have to commend the people at 1390 for filing the complaint and > also to commend either the FCC or 1380 (or both) for stopping the daytime > IBOC hash. (at least most days). > > I know I had read where the Canadian Government had also complained about > the IBOC hash interfering with the coverage of some Canadian stations and > the last I heard, our FCC was just sitting on the complaint and not taking > any action. > > I hope someone can tell me that has changed and someone at the FCC is > trying to alleviate that problem. > > I also know that KDKA 1120 in Pittsburgh and 1130 WBZ in Boston have cut > into each other's nighttime service areas and they are both owned by the > same corporate conglomerate. > > Also there's a station in Rochester, NY (WYSL - 1040) that has filed a > complaint about 1030 WBZ's BuZzzzzzzzzzz/IBOC Hash interfering with their > nighttime coverage area. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Feb 15 17:38:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19716 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 01:38:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 01:38:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.201) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 01:38:42 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.13]) by bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:37:56 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:37:55 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.13 by BLU108-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:37:50 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:37:50 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2008 01:37:55.0561 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D92B590:01C8703C] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. Petersburg/Tampa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=9MsTF5EOwUH4uZVkp5XcneP3__bNCvh6cBZIDEM0JB9clsTzHMHcSzk8ydg X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's amazing that they were able to find someone at 1380 to discuss this with; unless they went to Radio Disney hq directly. At least 1380 is trying to do the right thing in this situation. Now if they could just do something about nothing live or local! (I'm not holding my breath though) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Feb 15 23:46:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97518 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 07:46:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 07:46:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 07:46:55 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c0c.2b9e0a3a (34966) for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:46:37 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from home18fde9342f (75-165-35-33.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.35.33]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA073-889647b694dab9; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:46:36 -0500 Message-ID: <002201c87070$38375ea0$6601a8c0@home18fde9342f> To: References: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:47:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.35.33 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. Petersburg/Tampa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=vLi9uSJzjkYKn7SbZ4lmIsodG7AsaIQP7n51erqT75khdoqZjQrp X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit burger queen? you got to be kidding. how long did that last? and wonder what the differences were? ----- Original Message ----- From: Donn Tillman To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:57 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. Petersburg/Tampa We still have Steak and Shake here and amazingly the only one in St Petersburg seems to cater to a mostly younger crowd, just like they did in the 60's and 70's; I don't know about the ones in Tampa or Bradenton. Also big in the 60's and 70's among the high school crowd was Frishes' (sp?)Big Boy. I'm familiar with White Castle, since my parents are from Columbus, the home of White Castle...... but White Castle never had any locations in the Tampa Bay area, but we did have a White Castle Imitator called Royal Castle, but they have long since disappeared. Of course for fast food in the late 60's and early 70's there was also Burger King, McDonald's, Burger Queen, Biff Burger and a regional chain (that lasted several years) called Wagon Ho. (I realize that even if they had succeeded, they would have to had changed the last part of their name!) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Feb 15 23:52:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20420 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 07:52:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 07:52:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.241) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 07:52:18 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c16so228802ana.7 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:52:18 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.68.19 with SMTP id v19mr5738335ank.73.1203148338153; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:52:18 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.140.13 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:52:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80802152352l2e0240f7vbdadf185f48b412a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:52:18 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002201c87070$38375ea0$6601a8c0@home18fde9342f> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002201c87070$38375ea0$6601a8c0@home18fde9342f> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. Petersburg/Tampa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=sFqR3RYuhe5sehDZ7L8r4zmEZl0I5njo1xaEC8xQLCgRDOOjp42qg-iG X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's a Burger Queen still in exsistance today along the main drag in Williston, North Dakota where all the hotels/motels and most of the shopping and restaurants are. Paul On Feb 16, 2008 2:47 AM, hank smith wrote: > burger queen? > you got to be kidding. > how long did that last? > and wonder what the differences were? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Donn Tillman > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:57 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. > Petersburg/Tampa > > We still have Steak and Shake here and amazingly the only one in St > Petersburg seems to cater to a mostly younger crowd, just like they did in > the 60's and 70's; I don't know about the ones in Tampa or Bradenton. > > Also big in the 60's and 70's among the high school crowd was Frishes' > (sp?)Big Boy. > > I'm familiar with White Castle, since my parents are from Columbus, the > home of White Castle...... but White Castle never had any locations in the > Tampa Bay area, but we did have a White Castle Imitator called Royal Castle, > but they have long since disappeared. > > Of course for fast food in the late 60's and early 70's there was also > Burger King, McDonald's, Burger Queen, Biff Burger and a regional chain > (that lasted several years) called Wagon Ho. (I realize that even if they > had succeeded, they would have to had changed the last part of their name!) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gowrone@gmail.com Fri Feb 15 23:55:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gowrone@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85391 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 07:55:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 07:55:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 07:55:45 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so1128929pye.14 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:55:44 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.101.1 with SMTP id d1mr3992395pym.51.1203148544591; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:55:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.11.2? ( [12.207.19.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n27sm4976308pyh.11.2008.02.15.23.55.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:55:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002201c87070$38375ea0$6601a8c0@home18fde9342f> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:55:42 -0600 References: <002201c87070$38375ea0$6601a8c0@home18fde9342f> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Matthew Elliff Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. Petersburg/Tampa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=285717100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit we don't have whiate castle here in springfield mo, we do have steake and shake though. good stuff. On Feb 16, 2008, at 1:47 AM, hank smith wrote: > burger queen? > you got to be kidding. > how long did that last? > and wonder what the differences were? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Donn Tillman > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:57 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. > Petersburg/Tampa > > We still have Steak and Shake here and amazingly the only one in St > Petersburg seems to cater to a mostly younger crowd, just like they > did in the 60's and 70's; I don't know about the ones in Tampa or > Bradenton. > > Also big in the 60's and 70's among the high school crowd was > Frishes' (sp?)Big Boy. > > I'm familiar with White Castle, since my parents are from Columbus, > the home of White Castle...... but White Castle never had any > locations in the Tampa Bay area, but we did have a White Castle > Imitator called Royal Castle, but they have long since disappeared. > > Of course for fast food in the late 60's and early 70's there was > also Burger King, McDonald's, Burger Queen, Biff Burger and a > regional chain (that lasted several years) called Wagon Ho. (I > realize that even if they had succeeded, they would have to had > changed the last part of their name!) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gowrone@gmail.com Fri Feb 15 23:57:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gowrone@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71757 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 07:57:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 07:57:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.182) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 07:57:31 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id h31so1045062pyc.23 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:57:31 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.83.20 with SMTP id k20mr2432011pyl.42.1203148651199; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:57:31 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.11.2? ( [12.207.19.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n27sm4977593pyh.11.2008.02.15.23.57.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:57:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <8CB4F0F5-45EC-448F-A38C-9582AB2B717D@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80802152352l2e0240f7vbdadf185f48b412a@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:57:29 -0600 References: <002201c87070$38375ea0$6601a8c0@home18fde9342f> <8bce0fe80802152352l2e0240f7vbdadf185f48b412a@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Matthew Elliff Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. Petersburg/Tampa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=285717100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit never been to a burger queen before. interesting. On Feb 16, 2008, at 1:52 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > There's a Burger Queen still in exsistance today along the main drag > in > Williston, North Dakota where all the hotels/motels and most of the > shopping > and restaurants are. > > Paul > > On Feb 16, 2008 2:47 AM, hank smith wrote: > > > burger queen? > > you got to be kidding. > > how long did that last? > > and wonder what the differences were? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Donn Tillman > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:57 PM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. > > Petersburg/Tampa > > > > We still have Steak and Shake here and amazingly the only one in St > > Petersburg seems to cater to a mostly younger crowd, just like > they did in > > the 60's and 70's; I don't know about the ones in Tampa or > Bradenton. > > > > Also big in the 60's and 70's among the high school crowd was > Frishes' > > (sp?)Big Boy. > > > > I'm familiar with White Castle, since my parents are from > Columbus, the > > home of White Castle...... but White Castle never had any > locations in the > > Tampa Bay area, but we did have a White Castle Imitator called > Royal Castle, > > but they have long since disappeared. > > > > Of course for fast food in the late 60's and early 70's there was > also > > Burger King, McDonald's, Burger Queen, Biff Burger and a regional > chain > > (that lasted several years) called Wagon Ho. (I realize that even > if they > > had succeeded, they would have to had changed the last part of > their name!) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > -- > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Feb 16 04:54:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97001 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 12:54:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 12:54:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms048pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.48) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 12:54:41 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.228.191.115]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JWC0083X172YIR5@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 06:54:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:54:40 -0500 To: Message-id: <005c01c8709b$18a530a0$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <002201c87070$38375ea0$6601a8c0@home18fde9342f> <8bce0fe80802152352l2e0240f7vbdadf185f48b412a@mail.gmail.com> <8CB4F0F5-45EC-448F-A38C-9582AB2B717D@gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. Petersburg/Tampa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=NvsC9oEbbyqzqm7xTI7ARcirTUs_x9GV6hoviD-3wB7L_g X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tampa also had a White Tower, which was similar to White Castle. They have been gone for a long time now. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Elliff To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 2:57 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. Petersburg/Tampa never been to a burger queen before. interesting. On Feb 16, 2008, at 1:52 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > There's a Burger Queen still in exsistance today along the main drag > in > Williston, North Dakota where all the hotels/motels and most of the > shopping > and restaurants are. > > Paul > > On Feb 16, 2008 2:47 AM, hank smith wrote: > > > burger queen? > > you got to be kidding. > > how long did that last? > > and wonder what the differences were? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Donn Tillman > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:57 PM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. > > Petersburg/Tampa > > > > We still have Steak and Shake here and amazingly the only one in St > > Petersburg seems to cater to a mostly younger crowd, just like > they did in > > the 60's and 70's; I don't know about the ones in Tampa or > Bradenton. > > > > Also big in the 60's and 70's among the high school crowd was > Frishes' > > (sp?)Big Boy. > > > > I'm familiar with White Castle, since my parents are from > Columbus, the > > home of White Castle...... but White Castle never had any > locations in the > > Tampa Bay area, but we did have a White Castle Imitator called > Royal Castle, > > but they have long since disappeared. > > > > Of course for fast food in the late 60's and early 70's there was > also > > Burger King, McDonald's, Burger Queen, Biff Burger and a regional > chain > > (that lasted several years) called Wagon Ho. (I realize that even > if they > > had succeeded, they would have to had changed the last part of > their name!) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > -- > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Feb 16 05:04:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1547 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 13:04:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 13:04:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms042pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.42) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 13:04:05 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.228.191.115]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JWC00B6Q1LXUK66@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:03:34 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:03:35 -0500 To: Message-id: <006701c8709c$5763da70$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. Petersburg/Tampa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=x4nb9gCSL4vhfU7QAP5UH-yDGF9Oo4Ji0bpF-hcOpZe4oA X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Donn is right about WLCY's nighttime signal being poor in north Tampa. The signal was adequate in Tampa during the 1940s when the city limits were further south. But as the city extended into the county all the way up to the county line, there are large parts of the metro area where WLCY is not receivable at night. Interestingly, though, because the signal is directional to the south at night, it is receivable in the Bradenton/Sarasota areas with no problem. (I haven't checked this out lately, but I presume it's still true.) Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Donn Tillman To: am stereo ; amstereo@bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 3:13 PM Subject: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. Petersburg/Tampa Rahall's communications WLCY is featured this week. WLCY was constantly number one in the ratings throughout the 1960's. Mentions today include ESSO gasoline prices, Pier 60 at Clearwater Beach and cruising on the weekends at the Steak and Shake. WLCY - 1380 KC 5,000 watts day and night; directional at night; the transmitter site remains in the same location, in a saltwater marsh on the causeway (Gandy) connecting Tampa and St. Petersburg on the St. Petersburg side; although WLCY was licensed to both cities; but reception was (and still is) iffy at night in north Tampa. Supposedly WLCY was one of the first directional stations in the U.S. Prior call letters before WLCY were WTSP. Today 1380 is a Radio Disney station in mono and half the time, no IBOC during the day, but IBOC at night, which from what I've read is the reverse of all the other IBOC stations here. I don't think its intentional that they run the IBOC at random, just think the automation isn't up to speed or someone is asleep at the switch. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Feb 16 05:32:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63983 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 13:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 13:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.201) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 13:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.26]) by bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:32:00 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:32:00 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.15 by BLU108-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:31:57 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:31:57 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2008 13:32:00.0517 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F282B50:01C870A0] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. Petersburg/Tampa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=bBzUQuee_7a989LIW8qSGAlblyYqLDD3SeeQ_c-r53P1zKUmMUzxAYDw6Gc X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick, you're right, in fact the nighttime signal in Palmetto and Bradenton is pretty strong day and even stronger at night, but as you get south of Cortez Ave in Bradenton getting near the Sarasota/Bradenton Airport and Whitfield Estates the nighttime signal is still good. A(better than north Tampa- more like Central Tampa) and south of Sarasota it's starts to get interference from a Cuban station. (the Cuban interference didn't seem to be a factor when 1380 was WLCY, but the Cuban interference seemed to have kicked in around the mid 1970's. Also near downtown Clearwater is another null, where the nighttime signal is bad. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Feb 16 12:48:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22209 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 20:48:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 20:48:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 20:48:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bde.29e26897 (34929) for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:48:39 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from FWM-D33 (fwm-d33.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.9]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA042-887147b74c2727; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:48:39 -0500 References: <002201c87070$38375ea0$6601a8c0@home18fde9342f> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:48:39 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34032-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.9) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:48:39 -0500 Message-Id: <8CA3EF4715D9496-174C-30A1@FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. Petersburg/Tampa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=0VgDpHc4Bo1ZRbFqaTlwHlxvz6WwdF_ynxbPgIB8CoY6LEiSTbTlykNtk44k5N6V X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit we don't have whiate castle here in springfield mo, we do have steake and shake though. good stuff. You live in Springfield?? Great.? I live up the Mother Road in St. Louis.? I went to school in Rolla. I don't know how far the Porcelain Palace has reached down I-44.? Steak n Shake is always good.? Better than Mickey D's and alot cheaper than Red Robin.? Are all the Shoney Big Boys gone?? Wendy's folded up here?in St. Louis, although some are still around elsewhere.? How I?missed those severed fingers in my chili!? Truly finger licken good. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gowrone@gmail.com Sat Feb 16 13:40:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gowrone@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64702 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2008 21:40:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2008 21:40:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2008 21:40:23 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id n24so1406338pyh.26 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:40:22 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.35.98.3 with SMTP id a3mr4709206pym.22.1203198022638; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:40:22 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.11.2? ( [12.207.19.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a22sm5682484pye.35.2008.02.16.13.40.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:40:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <75B51E88-7524-48DC-8AEB-D589B873089C@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA3EF4715D9496-174C-30A1@FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:40:20 -0600 References: <002201c87070$38375ea0$6601a8c0@home18fde9342f> <8CA3EF4715D9496-174C-30A1@FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Matthew Elliff Subject: Re: {AMSF} XM channel 6 - Sonic Salute---WLCY - St. Petersburg/Tampa X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=285717100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit lol. we still wendy's and hardys too and sonic. On Feb 16, 2008, at 2:48 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > we don't have whiate castle here in springfield mo, we do have steake > and shake though. good stuff. > > You live in Springfield?? Great.? I live up the Mother Road in St. > Louis.? I went to school in Rolla. > > I don't know how far the Porcelain Palace has reached down I-44.? > Steak n Shake is always good.? Better than Mickey D's and alot > cheaper than Red Robin.? Are all the Shoney Big Boys gone?? Wendy's > folded up here?in St. Louis, although some are still around > elsewhere.? How I?missed those severed fingers in my chili!? Truly > finger licken good. > > Mike > > __________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Tue Feb 19 05:32:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38246 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2008 13:32:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2008 13:32:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp123.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (66.196.96.96) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2008 13:32:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38823 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2008 13:32:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO JimBurganPC) (jimbo700@sbcglobal.net@76.251.81.210 with login) by smtp123.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2008 13:32:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VxXK7HIVM1n2NNU5gSBpZvaP47eGXI94TMJzqWriZmj7Rf5LBnZmpKLOppl_NylQ.6XljxgjjA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: To: References: <001001c86e36$227a2a20$50f63e47@joeandlynn> In-Reply-To: <001001c86e36$227a2a20$50f63e47@joeandlynn> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:32:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Originating-IP: 66.196.96.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE:WLS LIVES! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=9pw5B2KyxY4fkAV31vgdwSyBUBZj7stIV0lGTBSjoYbVThM X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Question: Was the 89 rewind broadcast in stereo and did anybody > get an aircheck? I'd pay for a copy of that if they did. The entire WLS Rewind was in stereo and it was recorded by many in it's entirety. It was also streamed and I recorded about 6 hours of the stream (the last 6). It has been featured a couple of times on Uncle Ricky's website. -Jim- From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 29 11:38:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79371 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 19:38:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 19:38:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 19:38:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28700 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Feb 2008 19:38:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VBvKPvgVM1mEkN3BvzDdfvfQF1zugVN45RndgBqHsK9ZgHZPzXYtL6cKyfMj0QzqNWIGaVcjLtjGis7DGAA_N0DUCLseIyNo9m5uW7FDaJsLnRYCRSs- X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:38:54 PST Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:38:54 -0800 (PST) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <220204.28043.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: A big 14th birthday goes out to... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=nCOjjR38nykKwO5JLIju4MEFuV_60bgg1vrSnc-N687YDnTt5viM X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Our very own leaper, Chris Cuff! Happy birthday! Make a wish! --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 29 13:36:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54271 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2008 21:35:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Feb 2008 21:35:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2008 21:35:57 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c2c.2c595276 (65098) for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:35:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:35:37 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A big 14th birthday goes out to... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=cqW7U2h1mTnPajpn-G_DtmFGHbiJYHPcrn_WtGECHxf8i014D7XICQeLh3oNNj0L X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/29/08 1:39:21 PM Central Standard Time, a1asurfradio@yahoo.com writes: > Our very own leaper, Chris Cuff! Happy birthday! Make a wish! > I wish he would respond to his emails. ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 29 23:26:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20487 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2008 07:26:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2008 07:26:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.102) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2008 07:26:56 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n19.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 07:26:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 07:26:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 07:26:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 07:26:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.53.58 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: A big 14th birthday goes out to... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=OlEsG-Dyb0-PeiRaPnDDalqstyt8PZ9CLyPVd75C4PhEHZ1HNezrXPfRElneYrZX3lJREC_6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 2/29/08 1:39:21 PM Central Standard Time,=20 > a1asurfradio@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > Our very own leaper, Chris Cuff! Happy birthday! Make a wish! > >=20 >=20 > I wish he would respond to his emails. >=20 >=20 > ************** > Ideas to please picky=20 > eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel- campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=3Daolcmp00300000002598) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 Hi Gang The only way I can get in tuch with him now is by snail=20 mail. And no I am not going to give out his adress. Jim S From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Mar 01 05:00:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40737 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2008 13:00:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2008 13:00:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.191) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2008 13:00:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 13:00:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 13:00:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 13:00:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 13:00:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.194.98.53 From: "Dave" Subject: Bill Norman's voice X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=d9QcFxID0I2A7gSi5lSqIOjAbJCj7x5RFGSEhHbFwHJxoZf54A X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan I've just 'tuned' in to WNIB on my Roku M2000, honestly not being funny=20 about what I am going to say but what is wrong with Bill Norman ? He=20 sounds like he has a slight stroke the way he slurrs / pronounces words=20 etc a little bit like the Harry Enfield characters Smashy and Nicey !=20 only UK reader will know I mean here unless it's been on a PBS etc Is the internet feed a direct from a c-quam decoder btw ? Sounds good=20 via the hi-fi From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Mar 01 05:05:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58873 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2008 13:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2008 13:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.229) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2008 13:05:29 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i28so8762283wxd.20 for ; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 05:05:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.239.11 with SMTP id m11mr14035715anh.105.1204376728628; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 05:05:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.94.7 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 05:05:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80803010505k6cdd426cl5523d02d194243a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:05:28 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bill Norman's voice X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=HhCktsVzjvDvTl7hHhACP1-Qz1Pbtf1vXY1rictosy3IaMzYL8nfdifl X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill is getting on in years a ltitle bit and I heard he wants to eventually retire. Paul On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Dave wrote: > I've just 'tuned' in to WNIB on my Roku M2000, honestly not being funny > about what I am going to say but what is wrong with Bill Norman ? He > sounds like he has a slight stroke the way he slurrs / pronounces words > etc a little bit like the Harry Enfield characters Smashy and Nicey ! > only UK reader will know I mean here unless it's been on a PBS etc > > Is the internet feed a direct from a c-quam decoder btw ? Sounds good > via the hi-fi > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. 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Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.2/1305 - Release Date: 2008-02-29= 18:32 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Mar 01 06:08:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16040 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2008 14:08:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2008 14:08:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.144) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2008 14:08:31 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 14:08:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 14:08:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2008 14:08:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:08:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80803010505k6cdd426cl5523d02d194243a0@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.194.98.53 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bill Norman's voice X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=bT54FuBofOnD_vaJiF_xLtrYWL5-v3SBbJA1frArCw_Ah8S5Ig X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. 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From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Mar 01 06:11:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11243 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2008 14:11:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2008 14:11:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-0708.google.com) (64.233.178.243) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2008 14:11:51 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id j58so179792hsj.6 for ; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 06:11:50 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.142.4 with SMTP id p4mr23006505and.103.1204380710687; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 06:11:50 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.94.7 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 06:11:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80803010611x355dc020sa11fbcfb24f3af4e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 09:11:50 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80803010505k6cdd426cl5523d02d194243a0@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bill Norman's voice X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=lUOMPyPf1R3kPOn8tvQCEPTbS4CL5lfRJ45vXPRTwmoCI2aqmGgPyDyP X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes it kinda did answer the question, he's old, wants to retire. .and when you get to that state, you don't put as much effort into things as you use to On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Dave wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > wrote: > > > > Bill is getting on in years a ltitle bit and I heard he wants to > eventually > > retire. > > > > > > Yes ok actually he sounds young but that does'nt really answer the > question ! > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.walkerbroadcasting.com www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Mar 01 12:32:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78835 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2008 20:32:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2008 20:32:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23213.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.68) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2008 20:32:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81912 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Mar 2008 20:32:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JqxfHbkVM1laaU2HGvypvjdhaRRoSOVCxgJg1uMWnlkx91EvOAi7BfOVUtm1ol6slDJ3jAt9UEYgPRDhdOozfWiCsS_HSzJX_Ao5ZARXz5or X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23213.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:32:49 PST Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:32:49 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80803010611x355dc020sa11fbcfb24f3af4e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <750134.81737.qm@web23213.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.68 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bill Norman's voice X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=8JD8yaBIh5ZhLoB5CO7uf6Z8vT0eJkTD44VyKaII4LkZ1x1rRQhB X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Guys Bill isn't that old. He's what in his 50's? Thats still plenty young. I think its the 48K feed that slurs things a bit. The feed does have some artifacts on music that sound weird so I suspect it might be that more than anything. The only way to know for sure is to travel to North Myrtle and listen live I suppose. Great station though and good music. I love the local community aspects of it and I am a big supporter of local radio. I believe people really like to get to know their on air personalities, like a friend. It's someone you trust to give you your local news or to be on the air in the event of a weather alert. I think Paul may have been doing that here a while back when this bad weather came through. I know he too supports local raido. Just wish more people did, oh well we can all dream can't we? -Kevin --- "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > Yes it kinda did answer the question, he's old, > wants to retire. .and when > you get to that state, you don't put as much effort > into things as you use > to > > > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Dave > wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > , > > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > > wrote: > > > > > > Bill is getting on in years a ltitle bit and I > heard he wants to > > eventually > > > retire. > > > > > > > > > > Yes ok actually he sounds young but that does'nt > really answer the > > question ! > > > > > > > > > > -- > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Mar 01 13:27:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55963 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2008 21:27:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2008 21:27:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2008 21:27:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7725 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Mar 2008 21:27:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GD23UdAVM1nSX2OoYLi.73kCIYcuZWy7KhT.S47Aa.P5V87mrQfatZvtcoymP7cCWGS4T_M2wWQa5K3kGzy2joHvSA-- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 13:27:47 PST Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:27:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <750134.81737.qm@web23213.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <751142.7365.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bill Norman's voice X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=vTIA071wkWs65DEZDuc6BonDPM8k2SGUooCRW7oEJ3_ziQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Local radio rules! Maybe when everybody has gone to XM or whatever, and MW has decended to utter chaos, the FCC will have a stroke of genius and turn that band over to pirate...uh, I mean independent operators to play with. There are how many ham bands for non-profit hobby radio? None of them allow the playing of music or ads or sound effects, or anything that could be considered broadcasting, ie. the intentional transmission of material for the express purpose of reception by the general public en masse. It is time for an amateur broadcast band! There is a LOT of talent out there that will never know the right people to get a job on the air, and if given a chance, I believe they could transform AM back into a force to be reckoned with. Make the band sound better, and more listeners will demand better-sounding receivers, and then even the manufacturers might start taking AM seriously and stop building the sorry narrow-band junk we deal with today. Sure, there would have to be rules, such as technical standards like frequency accuracy, harmonic levels and spectrum occupancy, and hopefully some form of decency standards, but beyond that, give these "hams" a chance, and we would probably ALL benefit from their efforts, talent, and ingenuity! Uncle Sam, 1/10 watt is NOT enough! Give us daytime omni limits of at least 10 watts, with real antennae, and let the nightime patterns and power levels be worked out by an independent group of operators, sort of an amateur version of the NAB/FCC/ITU. At times, the situation in the Netherlands has approached this point, with optimistic results. We've seen what ClearChannel CAN'T do with AM. Let's see what real radio-infected, talented people CAN do with the band. It CAN be done, but will it? Like Kevin said, "It's OK to dream"! OK, I'll get out from behind the pulpit before I REALLY get to preachin'! Sorry, this is a very emotional topic for me... Regards, George --- clemsonbloke wrote: > Guys Bill isn't that old. He's what in his 50's? > Thats still plenty young. I think its the 48K feed > that slurs things a bit. The feed does have some > artifacts on music that sound weird so I suspect it > might be that more than anything. The only way to > know for sure is to travel to North Myrtle and > listen > live I suppose. Great station though and good > music. > I love the local community aspects of it and I am a > big supporter of local radio. I believe people > really > like to get to know their on air personalities, like > a > friend. It's someone you trust to give you your > local > news or to be on the air in the event of a weather > alert. I think Paul may have been doing that here a > while back when this bad weather came through. I > know > he too supports local raido. Just wish more people > did, oh well we can all dream can't we? > > -Kevin > > > --- "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > wrote: > > > Yes it kinda did answer the question, he's old, > > wants to retire. .and when > > you get to that state, you don't put as much > effort > > into things as you use > > to > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Dave > > wrote: > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > , > > > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bill is getting on in years a ltitle bit and I > > heard he wants to > > > eventually > > > > retire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes ok actually he sounds young but that does'nt > > really answer the > > > question ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sincerely, > > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > > www.walkerbroadcasting.com > > www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Mar 02 01:45:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90332 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 09:44:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2008 09:44:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 09:44:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c43.29f426a0 (30737) for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 04:44:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 04:44:48 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5003 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: AMS Pre-emphasis? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=nsAeii4Hsf4HOptEmv-VVAvkiJp5DfBsgp6aFyJ23TrY_j9020xvgfvx-lLBxxcn X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've read the AMS patent. It mentions nothing about pre-emphasis. Does AMS or AMAX use pre-emphasis and if so is it just a simple level independent time constant or something more involved? If so, what might the time constant be? My other question is are AMS transmitters set up to deliver 100% AM modulation (or more) with a single channel driven in the stereo mode? Thanks. Mike **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Mar 02 14:41:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13852 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 22:41:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2008 22:41:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 22:41:31 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.73] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080302164116001940400003> for ; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:41:16 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <000801c87cb6$99051b80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <751142.7365.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:41:16 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bill Norman's voice X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=5fG2kjohWYMok6voMnI3Qey4OIjCBTbqdRDZOPGfpbUk-ovAPgGC X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AMEN! PREACH IT, brotha! Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell We've seen what ClearChannel CAN'T do with AM. Let's see what real radio-infected, talented people CAN do with the band. It CAN be done, but will it? Like Kevin said, "It's OK to dream"! OK, I'll get out from behind the pulpit before I REALLY get to preachin'! 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PREACH IT, Brotha! Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell We've seen what ClearChannel CAN'T do with AM. Let's see what real radio-infected, talented people CAN do with the band. It CAN be done, but will it? Like Kevin said, "It's OK to dream"! OK, I'll get out from behind the pulpit before I REALLY get to preachin'! 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PREACH IT, brotha! Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell It is time for an amateur broadcast band! We've seen what ClearChannel CAN'T do with AM. Let's see what real radio-infected, talented people CAN do with the band. OK, I'll get out from behind the pulpit before I REALLY get to preachin'! Sorry, this is a very emotional topic for me... --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Mar 02 14:47:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44288 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 22:47:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2008 22:47:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 22:47:10 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.73] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080302164650002704000003> for ; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:46:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004b01c87cb7$60010c80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:46:50 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Pre-emphasis? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=zy1_5-hWJsoyYBRNqeuUXbRVcRi6lIj_YRVon8dQ7uhK4oRRCmFd X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's not in the original patents because it was added later. IIRC it's very similar to the FM pre-emphasis curve. To your second question, no. It causes distortion. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I've read the AMS patent. It mentions nothing about pre-emphasis. Does AMS or AMAX use pre-emphasis and if so is it just a simple level independent time constant or something more involved? If so, what might the time constant be? My other question is are AMS transmitters set up to deliver 100% AM modulation (or more) with a single channel driven in the stereo mode? --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Mar 02 15:52:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58150 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 23:52:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2008 23:52:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23214.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.69) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 23:52:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 93102 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Mar 2008 23:52:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: C91xKesVM1neagKPDx8FiRfgiOA6MG45UWOJmWS.5b03KWvXRM.S3H5tJ67Vpg40Q6GhjK8wwCeta2d6PEzXc2Pxum_tHKySw06FLYWMskUF X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23214.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 15:52:17 PST Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:52:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001201c87cb6$d74255c0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <622473.90877.qm@web23214.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bill Norman's voice X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=MKzZ3pDwkUVSxd6SSvU63sYGHLxiL-lkUJd7GH3sSFs80WBkxAXk X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke And by the way Bill Norman is a fantastic guy committed to local radio.....key words being fantastic, local, and radio! Thats saying a lot! Let's support Bill and others like him who are trying hard to keep excellent local radio alive! -Kevin --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > AMEN! PREACH IT, brotha! > > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: george russell > > It is time for an amateur broadcast band! > > > We've seen what ClearChannel CAN'T do with AM. > Let's > see what real radio-infected, talented people CAN > do > with the band. > > > OK, I'll get out from behind the pulpit before I > REALLY get to preachin'! > Sorry, this is a very emotional topic for me... > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Mar 02 15:54:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91014 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 23:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2008 23:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.162) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 23:54:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2789 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Mar 2008 23:54:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OxSF3roVM1lfbDrm8_LCRxgZ39xrjY.65eh6JDTO_TrntMz_SjAvGEEdJ5WMZxTrtL0ZiQIGEGt9U2oF6UsY3o7UIsmy5UVxvNwVOWuy3GN_yo3Kc5Q- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 15:54:16 PST Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:54:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <449236.1587.qm@web34713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Citadel / ABC tanks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=buILoGY3hrGl4lITWSaVu0v11oeFCOR8cK17IMTYGNE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW They are circling the drain............... Powell http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/ NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Mar 02 19:09:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99641 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 03:09:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2008 03:09:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 03:09:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c55.29fe1712 (29678) for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:09:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:09:12 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5003 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Pre-emphasis? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ExAfA_ucTo-hJ9wQlRQXtQZxsiZjz8ZiuWHKgyBFUYNr5z01cqUv1JJJ_8-wx0Dx X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The FM pre-emphasis curve is 75 usec, level independent. What I mean by level independent is that it is always there and always same not matter what the signal level. That is how FM pre-emphasis works. Some signal processing schemes in essence makes the frequency response level dependent. Am I understanding your response as to AMS, is that if one has a left or right only signal, the most modulation that can be achieved is 50% without distortion? Is that a limitation imposed by the rules, transmitter design, or receiver? Mike **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Mar 02 21:43:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9344 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 05:43:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2008 05:43:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.161) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 05:43:54 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2008 05:43:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2008 05:43:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2008 05:43:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 05:43:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.34.25 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Pre-emphasis? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=C0z5cb-ljsJs3C2vlRSnRXI53kU8wIbmQ7YmyE9bH22HrM9_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > Am I understanding your response as to AMS, is that if one has a left or=20=20 > right only signal, the most modulation that can be achieved is 50% without=20=20 > distortion? Is that a limitation imposed by the rules, transmitter design, or=20 > receiver? Physics- 50% envelope + 75% quadrature =3D 125% total modulation. Any more, and yes, it causes distortion. This is why C-QUAM is called a NON-LINEAR AM stereo system. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Mar 02 23:13:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87013 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 07:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2008 07:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.161) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 07:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2008 07:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2008 07:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2008 07:13:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 07:13:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.118 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: AMS Pre-emphasis? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Lb2AOyjUpRyBF_Onp4BQ6028aDJuCY7-ntG_XO6urdz-Wot30g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I've read the AMS patent. It mentions nothing about pre- emphasis. Does AMS=20 > or AMAX use pre-emphasis and if so is it just a simple level=20 independent=20 > time constant or something more involved? If so, what might the=20 time constant=20 > be? >=20=20 > My other question is are AMS transmitters set up to deliver 100%=20 AM=20=20 > modulation (or more) with a single channel driven in the stereo=20 mode? >=20=20 > Thanks. >=20=20 > Mike >=20 The first question: AMS can use pre-emphasis but it wasn't in the original idea because,=20 at the time AMS was created, the standard AM was without pre- emphasis. However, there was some "standard" AM pre-emphasis=20 (patrocinated by NRSC, I guess I'm not sure) in the first AMAX=20 standard. It was a modified 75 (or 120?) microseconds to get the=20 4000-8000 Hz enhancement without exceed the 10 KHz AM standard mask.=20 I'm not sure if the "new" AMAX receivers use it but, as all we know,=20 the dreamed Orban Optimod-AM 9100B had and still has this pre- emphasis in the box, and the broadcaster have to choice if use it or=20 not. The second question: Theorically, C-QUAM AMS can modulated only up to 50% of one single=20 audio channel because more than it causes distortion. However, if=20 someone is transmitting an stereo signal, at full rated level, and=20 suddenly one channel is gone, I'm not sure if the distortion would=20 become an audible artifact because the AMS processors must avoid the=20 problem with an automatic cut of the L-R path (at least, it was the=20 Motorola recomendation according to the C-QUAM related literature). This is one of the reasons to prefer Independent Side Band AM=20 Stereo, where you can modulated both or only one audio channel up to=20 100% without distortion because, if one channel is gone, you just=20 lose one single sideband, the other sideband goes straighforward its=20 way to the receivers. Cheers for Kahn!!! Ha, ha, ha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Mar 03 06:07:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10646 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 14:07:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2008 14:07:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 14:07:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45183 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Mar 2008 13:52:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mxgRrLwVM1m2HRAGkTZz6cxVb9PnubBwXyTS6P_dz0XVX_rLZQ9acU4n5b6qQTH9BquM5JsgCSBY0dT9gK3QroZTxZUy0oU0RExmkcOSVH3iLwgfMug6UODyZA-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 05:52:27 PST Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 05:52:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <355758.43221.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:AMS Pre-emphasis? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=9W-aGCzoikSliaCTOA9gD05Fftol48jQvRWNE_vmzvNw8IE7GewkCP4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Mike, I believe that there is some electronics at work in the AMS encoder that prevents more than a 70% balance in just one channel to help with mono radio compatability issues (although I have heard one channel driven more than that, and on a C-Quam specific radio it sounds great, but on a Sony 'work with all 4 AMS systems' radio it tends to distort a wee-bit if it is all bass driven into one channel. An exception is the Fanfare FTA-100P tuner which WILL handle one channel of bass quite well. Listen to Sinatra's song on the Fanfare website samples for an example. John Mike wrote: "... are AMS transmitters set up to deliver 100% AM modulation (or more) with a single channel driven in the stereo mode?" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Mar 03 06:25:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86825 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 14:25:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2008 14:25:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 14:25:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 55292 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Mar 2008 14:07:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ATvpmxoVM1lHjGHHpI_ZA3yoKWJGsPVR3lOSXX46KpWT.cS41_qAq7UnkLH7ezeUdmVkLSx_yoduLivDAJckH1bhdlaB4v671cbmuUTPRcPzvms- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 06:07:06 PST Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 06:07:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <747378.54848.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re:Citadel / ABC tanks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=jdlDyL-G7LuchxBGgKC-SbEEKogDeF41k6M8G3O4KDI-cfvQHivxIZ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Cidadel sure picked a bad decade to buy ABC Radio, and ABC picked a great one to sell it! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Mar 03 09:23:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46723 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 17:23:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2008 17:23:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 17:23:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87817 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Mar 2008 17:22:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kqnGILwVM1kXYYDK.Y99UrAFzzSzGcinY8uMt7JvcDMd557cOpUqXVAZJka97P.sJXzR57U2obA12ElDOzLsaxxbCMue6NHNwJaJgvPRQlUsg0RltYpYCGVH2cGutQ-- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:22:04 PST Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:22:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <712372.87552.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Pre-emphasis? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=XDlpoT-UbAuJFm8fzaJYZYD1Gt0zvZ82jNYregrpA8AeoA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 As for pre-emphasis, the AMAX curve starts at 1 kHz. and rises to about +9 db at 7.5 kHz., then sort of levels off. It is basically a 75 uSec. curve, but truncated near the top. While that is a fixed curve, there are processors that move the starting point from 1 kHz. to a higher frequency during peaks, rather than just compressing the higher bands of audio. Inovonics' NRSC box does it that way, and it actually sounds pretty good. I think most of the newer stuff, like Orban's 9100, limit single-side peaks to around 65%. They also process L-R and L+R, rather than just L and R. Great for keeping the mod high, but seems to me that could vary the stereo image if driven hard. (Ask me again why I like PMX!) Regards, George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I've read the AMS patent. It mentions nothing about > pre-emphasis. Does AMS > or AMAX use pre-emphasis and if so is it just a > simple level independent > time constant or something more involved? If so, > what might the time constant > be? > > My other question is are AMS transmitters set up to > deliver 100% AM > modulation (or more) with a single channel driven in > the stereo mode? > > Thanks. > > Mike > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch > video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Mar 03 10:32:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12602 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 18:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2008 18:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 18:32:48 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c09.31347e05 (41812) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:32:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:32:38 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5003 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Pre-emphasis? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=dnHj6MkwgO8O1EHPlzE7N5indohAUW0bJqryM0PIUI1NpyAiS_nzWls4491UgVfW X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/2/08 11:44:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, amymousie@yahoo.com writes: Physics- 50% envelope + 75% quadrature = 125% total modulation. Any more, and yes, it causes distortion. This is why C-QUAM is called a NON-LINEAR AM stereo system. Amy, You seem to be correct, but I'm not sure why. A single channel signal would shift the resultant AM signal by 45 degrees or PI/8 radians regardless of amplitude. A single Left signal would produce a positive 45 degree shift whereas a single Right signal would produce a negative 45 degree shift. That being said, the phased displaced signal could still be amplitude modulated 100% (defined as the signal reaching "0" amplitude on the negative peak). In a conventional quadrature detector, equal signals at 70.7% amplitude (referenced to 100% AM modulation in each respective domain) would appear undistorted in both the real and imaginary outputs. However, as you mentioned, CQUAM is not conventional quadrature AM. In fact, the only thing quadrature AM has to do with the process was the particular method employed in the inventors to derive tangential phase shift of the carrier. In the patent, a limiter was used to suppress any amplitude information in both the real and imaginary domains, leaving on the phase information to generate the resultant phase displaced carrier which was then conventionally AM modulated. As I mentioned before, I am uncertain why the inventors went through these contortions rather than directly and linearly phase modulating the carrier with the L-R signal. Although the carrier would be displaced by a constant 45 degrees, I still don't see why it cannot be 100% modulated by a single L or R signal. Perhaps, and most likely, I am just dense. Mike **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Mar 03 11:16:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73752 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 19:16:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2008 19:16:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 19:16:11 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cea.2b3b047b (41812) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:16:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:16:05 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5003 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AMS Pre-emphasis? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=WIHBvO2x4iJgMje3iUhnu46qurnpYtJPc0qvcAhPE95XiBNgSifKnNx4BfjOK6RR X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At one time, almost all the major stations here in St. Louis were AM Stereo. One station has a "Stereo on Demand" scheme that essential treated AM stereo as a board effect. That is, if the program content was stereo, it was transmitted in stereo. It it was mono, it was transmitted in mono. As for local content, which was a personality based humorous talk show, they using schizophrenic miking with the news/weather/traffic person in mono solely on the left channel, the personality in mono on both channels (center), and the side kick in mono solely on the right channel. In the car, it produced listener fatigue after awhile as it seemed the levels were not equal. The personality would come booming through with the side kick not only on the other side of the car, but also at a lower level. Eventually, the station when back to mono only fulltime because it gave a "stronger" signal in "most" (read mono) radios. National commercial promos in stereo (intended primarily for FM stations) did not seem as loud as the old mono ones cut locally or for regular AM stereos. The stereo ones sounded more natural and appealing, but that didn't seem to matter. Mike **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Mar 03 12:19:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73625 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2008 20:19:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2008 20:19:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2008 20:19:12 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cca.28df84fa (37581) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:18:32 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from homeb29194fc77 (75-165-35-33.tukw.qwest.net [75.165.35.33]) by cia-mb05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB056-92cd47cc5d1653; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:18:31 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c87d6b$bf5db020$6601a8c0@homeb29194fc77> To: References: <747378.54848.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:18:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 75.165.35.33 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:Citadel / ABC tanks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=OsmoPaqhj0UQI3z1BUOcBkre2rFHLNSz6dmoHbdyVaETiFQhPM43 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit does this mean they went out of business? ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 6:07 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re:Citadel / ABC tanks Cidadel sure picked a bad decade to buy ABC Radio, and ABC picked a great one to sell it! __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Mar 03 21:33:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22954 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2008 05:33:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2008 05:33:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.189) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2008 05:33:49 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2008 05:33:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2008 05:33:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2008 05:33:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 05:33:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.68 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Pre-emphasis? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=8m_l7Z9y2Ecfkj2TkSjUrgMqGIR23fVbPlGh9oa14ABdkc3Q8w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > >=20=20 > In a message dated 3/2/08 11:44:13 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20=20 > amymousie@... writes: >=20 > Physics- 50% envelope + 75% quadrature =3D 125% total modulation.=20 Any > more, and yes, it causes distortion. This is why C-QUAM is called=20 a > NON-LINEAR AM stereo system. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Amy, >=20=20 > You seem to be correct, but I'm not sure why. A single channel=20=20 signal would=20 > shift the resultant AM signal by 45 degrees or PI/8 radians=20=20 regardless of=20 > amplitude. A single Left signal would produce a positive 45=20 degree shift=20 > whereas a single Right signal would produce a negative 45 degree=20 shift. That=20 > being said, the phased displaced signal could still be amplitude=20 modulated 100%=20 > (defined as the signal reaching "0" amplitude on the negative=20 peak). In a=20 > conventional quadrature detector, equal signals at 70.7%=20 amplitude (referenced=20 > to 100% AM modulation in each respective domain) would appear=20 undistorted in=20 > both the real and imaginary outputs. >=20=20 > However, as you mentioned, CQUAM is not conventional quadrature=20 AM. In=20 > fact, the only thing quadrature AM has to do with the process was=20 the particular=20 > method employed in the inventors to derive tangential phase shift=20 of the=20 > carrier. In the patent, a limiter was used to suppress any=20=20 amplitude information=20 > in both the real and imaginary domains, leaving on the phase=20 information to=20 > generate the resultant phase displaced carrier which was then=20 conventionally=20 > AM modulated. As I mentioned before, I am uncertain why the=20 inventors went=20 > through these contortions rather than directly and linearly phase=20 modulating=20 > the carrier with the L-R signal. >=20=20 > Although the carrier would be displaced by a constant 45 degrees,=20 I still=20=20 > don't see why it cannot be 100% modulated by a single L or R=20 signal.=20=20 >=20=20 > Perhaps, and most likely, I am just dense. >=20=20 > Mike >=20=20 >=20=20 Hi Mike! I guess Motorola had to make C-QUAM as we know it because there=20 still was another AMS system with the pure L-R phase modulation. I wonder if those two systems are compatible between themselves. Theorically, any stereo audio signal is a 50% Left channel and 50%=20 right channel, so the sum L+R =3D 100%. (Oops! I discovered the=20 wheel). So, any time the stereo signal has only one channel=20 component (as the full separated records from the early 1960=20 decade), only the 50% of the total stereo signal reaches to the TX.=20 THEORICALLY, this wouldn't be a problem to C-QUAM because the audio=20 processor would be able to handle it. Of course, the real problem is=20 when someone is using an overprocessed signal trying to get some=20 advantage against the geographical distance. But, due to the C-QUAM=20 process itself (the pure AM quadrature), we get some undesirable=20 components when there is only one channel of audio, because we get=20 two uncompatible sidebands from the QUAM and the Envelope parts.=20 Again, THEORICALLY, the QUAM part of C-QUAM passes through a limiter=20 to extract this uncompatible dual signals (at least, this is the=20 original Motorola schematic diagram). Unfortunately, the literature=20 about this issue isn't benevolent with C-QUAM. Of course, with the today stereo recordings, where the only one=20 audio channel audio condition is always avoided, there wouldn't be=20 any problem with C-QUAM. C-QUAM wasn't/isn't/won't be the best Amplitude Modulation Stereo=20 system but... IS THE TODAY OFFICIAL SYSTEM. So... it is what there=20 is... Unfortunately. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Mar 04 05:49:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93800 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2008 13:48:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2008 13:48:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2008 13:48:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21848 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Mar 2008 13:48:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: v3uUk8UVM1kpyZTBQxp68x.28NHSB2Tm3kkr2OQBcwayCjnCBhRF4bQCIaP2mD6GO_uRHu3oFTRaS.EeSmYjTcx7UiNQinkUGLmC77Uuh5l9NX8- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 05:48:58 PST Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 05:48:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <749581.21289.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: CFCO - The Good, The Bad and The Ugly X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=6G1Dd-ynb_wvEU8lmOSQ2Ha7VAE_BVP-XOAKbxftH-jodzjdjuaiWGI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio CFCO - AM Stereo 630 - Chatham, Ontario The Good: Still high quality stereo AM audio. The Bad: They switched from Classic Gold to County on Monday. The Ugly: They went from having their ID as "AM630, and FM92.9" to "Country 92.9" without any mention of AM630. This is a place where they have a 10,000 regional AM stereo station and a puny 250W translator on FM! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Mar 04 12:08:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13818 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2008 20:08:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2008 20:08:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2008 20:08:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 35117 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Mar 2008 20:08:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NmiR_1MVM1n0VDeiGihalxPd9.tSvpZTsmHhbZZqoFa.FQYWcSnxQdWDGqvWEkWfqt2RGuqlmKhC19BabakqrNVd2uC70lenjoOkESQAMa1S.bs2Z_o- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:08:51 PST Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:08:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <749581.21289.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <55297.34958.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} CFCO - The Good, The Bad and The Ugly X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=UIbGynkIZppvMCIZ8ilsfo6pN93IrUg244BO7ToCZY9UkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Makes ya wonder what's next, doesn't it? Just a few years ago, they were announcing "CFCO, FM 92.9, and AM Stereo 630". as if the FM wasn't stereo! Hope they aren't going to talk soon. G --- "John P." wrote: > CFCO - AM Stereo 630 - Chatham, Ontario > > The Good: Still high quality stereo AM audio. > The Bad: They switched from Classic Gold to County > on Monday. > The Ugly: They went from having their ID as "AM630, > and FM92.9" to > "Country 92.9" without any mention of AM630. This > is a place where > they have a 10,000 regional AM stereo station and a > puny 250W > translator on FM! > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Mar 04 17:43:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6073 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2008 01:43:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2008 01:43:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2008 01:43:18 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.156] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080304194241000454500003> for ; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:42:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009d01c87e62$4a609ec0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:42:41 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Pre-emphasis? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=5b6FDa7uh3o8vlFTm0DFWtexaN_7afB0SPlY3nWf-_9PpPd6u3Gs X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CQUAM was an improvement over the Magnavox system in that you could get slightly more modulation on the negative peaks. With PMX you'd get a popping noise when the carrier got too close to pinching off. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 I guess Motorola had to make C-QUAM as we know it because there still was another AMS system with the pure L-R phase modulation. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Mar 05 08:52:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82128 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2008 16:52:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2008 16:52:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2008 16:52:33 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d07.2882d0cc (33856) for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:52:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:52:00 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Pre-emphasis? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=9tZNzanTu8oWZOm6z1cmzHMYeCSwUzHICMOQgysHlJ4clW70wQOvJQ-XJziKJcwb X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could the popping be due to the PLL losing lock because the signal amplitude becomes too small? A product detector should be ample to accommodate a signal that even passes through zero and beyond (carrier reversal). Mike ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Mar 05 12:29:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82121 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2008 20:21:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2008 20:21:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2008 20:21:10 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d5a.21112212 (33856); Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:21:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:20:58 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: MJGRANT@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Gates Executive Board on ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Dw3ShKgHmf6xUc5j_13r5a8kMU63iBQtmJdV7TrydrBoVwSqksvH_5upk7jEe4Fg X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's not my auction, but there is a Gates Executive board on ebay for $150. It looks intact and in good shape. One of the best stereo consoles ever built in my opinion. Although it predates AMS and was intended for FMS, I know of no reason it couldn't be used for AMS. It would be a mightly fine addition to a Part 15 station, especially for $150. In fact, if I owned a licensed AM or FM station with a newer slider-style console, I would seriously consider replacing it with this unit. With some modest PM on the faders and switches, it would most likely outlive its owner. The downside is it is in New Jersey and the buyer has to pick it up. Auction number: 140212906293 Mike ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Mar 05 12:57:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3694 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2008 20:56:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2008 20:56:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.147) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2008 20:56:59 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.85]) by bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 5 Mar 2008 12:56:56 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 12:56:56 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:56:52 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:56:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2008 20:56:56.0526 (UTC) FILETIME=[72A75EE0:01C87F03] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gates Executive Board on ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=5Z0D3Cuv8jWKX1UUws7dMaygaW9tAT1EpyK6SNK9cJhB X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd it's my auction :) I'm asking 400 buy it now. Thank You, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org Licensed Amateur Radio Operator: kc8gpd Location: Glen Gardner, NJ 08826 Owner/Moderator FreeStuffWarren NJ Moderator HunterdonFree I Recycle Computers IM: kc8gpd@yahoo.com From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Mar 05 14:32:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6565 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2008 22:32:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2008 22:32:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2008 22:32:05 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d08.2d1c237c (33856) for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 17:31:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 17:31:25 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gates Executive Board on ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Z5dLqFCMIAcM-g6fsSJkQfRHIo8Py3aDfKv440I13WGRBoHep0xwU1aVc52rIIqH X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/5/08 2:57:47 PM Central Standard Time, kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: > it's my auction :) > > I'm asking 400 buy it now. > > Thank You, > That's a great price for a mighty fine board. Sadly, I would not be able to put it to good use. A board like that deserves a working life, not gathering dust in my basement. ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Mar 05 14:46:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84713 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2008 22:46:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2008 22:46:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s5.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.77) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2008 22:46:09 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.80]) by bay0-omc1-s5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:46:06 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:46:06 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 68.37.195.197 by BAY103-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:46:04 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kc8gpd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com To: References: Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 17:46:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "Robert P. Chrysafis" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2008 22:46:06.0391 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2AD7470:01C87F12] Return-Path: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.77 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Robert P. Chrysafis" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gates Executive Board on ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=VmBmvqCyQPZ_KfsmTPRHAkFKWGbthM5_ozsAFuNyAnCN X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd It came from WEST AM 1400 Easton, PA From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Mar 05 14:59:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51558 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2008 22:59:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2008 22:59:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2008 22:59:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 89500 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Mar 2008 22:59:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YsT1LtQVM1l2LzdITwlC1I9oIauvjiqqJBz.KuVfBcZFp5oaM0mfoxnHLdydcKk2lZ.PcSBG1fftEKG1XBULFPlBwJVghdHuWMA7UK0HikA.BvOyvMQ- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:59:17 PST Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:59:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <747956.88947.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gates Executive Board on ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=R46IzhSCDsY7TA0iGw7ZwAMEawuxAwBAGxySsneLHRCW4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I hope somebody gives that a good working home! Rotary faders, BIG VU meters...Ah, fond memories... G --- "Robert P. Chrysafis" wrote: > It came from WEST AM 1400 Easton, PA > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From mark_608@hotmail.com Thu Mar 06 08:54:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark_608@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7482 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2008 16:53:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2008 16:53:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s15.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.215) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2008 16:53:58 -0000 X-Received: from BAY143-W3 ([65.55.154.38]) by bay0-omc3-s15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 6 Mar 2008 08:53:55 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mark_608@hotmail.com To: Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 11:53:54 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <749581.21289.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <749581.21289.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2008 16:53:55.0022 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9D02EE0:01C87FAA] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mark Sundquist Subject: RE: {AMSF} CFCO - The Good, The Bad and The Ugly X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3850332; y=qAy_I5fZTxsAIKx4viq08j2_VO7I1KFcfbPg_kBHKk87XaE X-Yahoo-Profile: mark_608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Argh...this is rotten news! It's been awhile since I've listened. It's not that I don't like country...but I really loved their Classic Gold format! BAH! :( Mark Warren,MI To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: toledohamradio@yahoo.comDate: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 05:48:58 -0800Subject: {AMSF} CFCO - The Good, The Bad and The Ugly CFCO - AM Stereo 630 - Chatham, OntarioThe Good: Still high quality stereo AM audio.The Bad: They switched from Classic Gold to County on Monday.The Ugly: They went from having their ID as "AM630, and FM92.9" to"Country 92.9" without any mention of AM630. This is a place wherethey have a 10,000 regional AM stereo station and a puny 250Wtranslator on FM!__________________________________________________________Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Mar 08 20:53:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38316 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2008 04:53:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2008 04:53:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.101) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2008 04:53:40 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2008 04:53:40 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2008 04:53:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Mar 2008 04:53:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 04:53:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.73 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=vZmMw_c496Eold0XwyFxHRSmnDc0ueNUpu4yMuF29fjbY_6VBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! I found an advertising in my e-mail input folder, today. It's about the next "NAB 2008 Surround Conference". I understand it's=20 intended to the "new" Digital TV standard. But I wonder what about the "new" Digital AM format? Are there some=20 good news to comment? or Definitively it's just a total failure? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Mar 08 22:44:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75748 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2008 06:44:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2008 06:44:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2008 06:44:01 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cae.2c3673e9 (30739) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 01:43:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 01:43:45 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: WLS is featured on Studio 2 today on XM 2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=RBF9N0Z-qXHPYQTmIRm8ndi1bRejpSABb-OFLgmXX84-edPevKuu34wJOMIPbDoM X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was looking on the Studio 2 schedule on XM radio. Today they are featuring none other than WLS as it was in the 1960s. Mike ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From nhughes@melbpc.org.au Mon Mar 10 01:48:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: nhughes@melbpc.org.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26284 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2008 08:48:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2008 08:48:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.176) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2008 08:48:50 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2008 08:48:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2008 08:48:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2008 08:48:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:48:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 218.214.129.136 From: "quadcom38" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo at 1200 khz near Nashville Tenn. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=133289281; y=cJ-G-ebaH7OugMYsBMe6plnJq9A7GiLRdks-Mvdv_ID1mmXw X-Yahoo-Profile: quadcom38 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Elliff =20 wrote: > > wait a minute. i've been st. louis before (i'm in s pringfield mo)=20=20 > doesn't ktrs 550 carry coast to coast? thought i heard it once when=20 i=20=20 > was there visiting my brother. am i wrong? does noone carry it?=20 found=20=20 > it whle dial surfing. 550 is gone due to 560 kwto the local being=20=20 > there. yeah woai would burry that nashville station here too. > On Feb 12, 2008, at 3:27 PM, mjgrant@... wrote: >=20 > > I don't know. The station's groundwave doesn't reach St. Louis=20=20 > > during the > > day and at night WOIA wipes out 1200 here. Interesting enough,=20=20 > > although Coast > > to Coast AM originates here in St. Louis, none of the local=20 stations=20=20 > > carry it. > > So I have to rely on the 50 kW San Antonio blowtorch for the=20 musings=20=20 > > of Mr. > > Noory. > > > > There are a couple of stations here that occassionally put out=20 the=20=20 > > pilot but, > > as you said, the program material was monaural. I am not sure=20 why=20=20 > > they do it > > except for possibly testing purposes. Actually, it's not a good=20=20 > > idea. The > > pilot tone enables the quadrature detection circuits in the=20=20 > > receiver. With > > identical L and R signals, the only thing in the Q dectector is=20=20 > > spurious junk > > which will be added back into the recovered audio if the pilot=20=20 > > signal is present. > > > > Mike > > > > ************** > > The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > > > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=3Daolcmp00300000002565) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I think there is some misunderstanding here of the function of the=20 CQUAM Stereo Pilot. Unlike FM, where the pilot is a necessary=20 component of the decoding process, in CQUAM the pilot serves no=20 decoding function at all; its sole purpose is to indicate that the=20 transmitter is CQUAM enabled; as has been noted, a pilot can be=20 broadcast even though the transmitted baseband source content is mono. Regards from Down-under! Ex-Engineer From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Mar 10 21:42:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7993 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2008 04:41:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2008 04:41:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2008 04:41:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2008 04:41:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2008 04:41:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 04:41:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.71 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo at 1200 khz near Nashville Tenn. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=2CF-GcKbm5jyEM6VOgztnFax49BLWLrsIyM3KRQ3vLu6Twz58A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "quadcom38" wrote: > I think there is some misunderstanding here of the function of the=20 > CQUAM Stereo Pilot. Unlike FM, where the pilot is a necessary=20 > component of the decoding process, in CQUAM the pilot serves no=20 > decoding function at all; its sole purpose is to indicate that the=20 > transmitter is CQUAM enabled; as has been noted, a pilot can be=20 > broadcast even though the transmitted baseband source content is mono. >=20 > Regards from Down-under! > Ex-Engineer > There are another reasons to find a "pseudo" stereo station in the band: 1) A great 40, 30, 20 or less Hz receiver internal noise due to=20 some "out of alignment" or some internal broken condenser (filter). 2) An external interference creating some rare "beaten" or "mixed" RF=20 mirage. 3) A radio station internal (and excessive) audio chain HUM noise (less=20 than 40 Hz). 4) Some real C-QUAM Stereo TX on the air but a mono audio chain (I=20 don't think it's this case) GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 12 17:02:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19373 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2008 00:02:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2008 00:02:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.200) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2008 00:02:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4164 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2008 00:02:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO i5d3d0) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.31.51.187 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2008 00:02:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: einSQUsVM1lLGO9ERYD5Ata2OoQDbsH6AeRFwe06HVQCgntNkQ3zzZ2U0WLPWbWa.nshst4G6Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <002201c884a6$2e024f40$f968fea9@i5d3d0> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:03:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: KAVT AM STEREO 1680 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=uyX8L2DfmeaK_lZHi40t5JthXYPqkCS9h4BNFWfJzqGSVuisf1qXS4P6kbWGh8zDy-G4CpaW X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I was listening to my Sony SRF A300 and I went in to the EX Band and I had gotten KAVT AM STEREO 1680 on day sky wave that was'nt the only thing also thay had changed there format form Radio Dis -me to a more Music of your life format called "Legends 1680" wich I can stad a lot better. I hope Radio Dis Me go's down in flames Enjoy Fresno Ca. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Mar 14 17:21:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78341 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2008 00:21:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2008 00:21:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2008 00:21:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2008 00:21:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2008 00:21:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:21:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.3.35 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: It's getting dangerous to be a broadcaster.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=68LPiyQQ0VSgq-2APU-9_AnPrVbO-dMwmUvbxHfrxIOEK7cu X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Car crashes into KXL (750 AM, Portland, OR) station building: http://www.katu.com/news/16687591.html Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 14 17:25:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3226 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2008 00:25:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2008 00:25:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.141) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2008 00:25:48 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n14.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2008 00:25:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2008 00:25:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2008 00:25:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:25:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002201c884a6$2e024f40$f968fea9@i5d3d0> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.50.240 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KAVT AM STEREO 1680 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=lmNeJW7UAWYhGgiyckEDUI9WkcAnUVpmg6XJPntMF-QhNPFoHxO5_x87gPnFUblISht7yERc X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" =20 wrote: > > Hi Gang I was listening to my Sony SRF A300 and I went in to the=20 EX Band and I had gotten KAVT AM STEREO 1680 on day sky wave that=20 was'nt the only thing also thay had changed there format form Radio=20 Dis -me to a more Music of your life format called "Legends 1680" wich=20 I can stad a lot better. I hope Radio Dis Me go's down in flames=20 Enjoy Fresno Ca. Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang I guess I had forgoten to mention that they are a very local=20 station now. That I have noticed they don't even brake for news at the=20 top of the hour. Jim Smith From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Mar 14 17:39:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69494 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2008 00:39:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2008 00:39:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.247) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2008 00:39:51 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b15so1300200ana.102 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:39:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.121.12 with SMTP id t12mr24313184anc.108.1205541590430; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:39:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.140.13 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80803141739s5a5c4d77i5bb3e321d920973a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:39:50 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002201c884a6$2e024f40$f968fea9@i5d3d0> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAVT AM STEREO 1680 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=hSx5Ow15Y0wBmTktuwWTxZgMmKEfJYStl6oeWVvig4E14qAv1hdHIY1r X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know several other stations that don't do news, 2 of my former emplyoers being some of them. Some stations don't do news, because thats not why people tune in, they tune in for the music. Paul On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 8:25 PM, jim smith wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > "jim smith" > wrote: > > > > Hi Gang I was listening to my Sony SRF A300 and I went in to the > EX Band and I had gotten KAVT AM STEREO 1680 on day sky wave that > was'nt the only thing also thay had changed there format form Radio > Dis -me to a more Music of your life format called "Legends 1680" wich > I can stad a lot better. I hope Radio Dis Me go's down in flames > Enjoy Fresno Ca. Jim Smith > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Gang I guess I had forgoten to mention that they are a very local > station now. That I have noticed they don't even brake for news at the > top of the hour. Jim Smith > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.theradiogod.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 14 18:04:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28653 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2008 01:04:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2008 01:04:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.211) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2008 01:04:42 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2008 01:04:42 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2008 01:04:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2008 01:04:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:04:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80803141739s5a5c4d77i5bb3e321d920973a@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.44.202.125 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAVT AM STEREO 1680 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=Wzk7mc8fO8-qbY3gpFR4ddb6CfHhbYpt9oHdTVPiwXlF5oAkqj7Fa4xNSWXl8eQntcCzGjtT X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 wrote: > > I know several other stations that don't do news, 2 of my former=20 emplyoers > being some of them. >=20 > Some stations don't do news, because thats not why people tune in,=20 they tune > in for the music. >=20 > Paul >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 8:25 PM, jim smith > wrote: >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > > "jim smith" > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Gang I was listening to my Sony SRF A300 and I went in to the > > EX Band and I had gotten KAVT AM STEREO 1680 on day sky wave that > > was'nt the only thing also thay had changed there format form=20 Radio > > Dis -me to a more Music of your life format called "Legends 1680"=20 wich > > I can stad a lot better. I hope Radio Dis Me go's down in flames > > Enjoy Fresno Ca. Jim Smith > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Hi Gang I guess I had forgoten to mention that they are a very=20 local > > station now. That I have noticed they don't even brake for news=20 at the > > top of the hour. Jim Smith > > > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > http://www.realradiousa.com > http://www.theradiogod.com > http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > walkerbroadcasting@... >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Paul I am also one of them poeple but I am use to that being I=20=20 have listened to AM radio for many years. For me my perants trained=20 me if I want to hear some one talk I will turn on the TV and if I=20 want to hear music I will turn on the radio. I would like to hear=20 more music on AM radio but I don't think IBOC is going to help that=20 with night time sky wave and lots of noise driving listeners a way=20 from the band. Thanks Pual . Jim Smith From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Mar 14 19:22:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51669 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2008 02:22:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2008 02:22:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.23) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2008 02:22:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2008 02:22:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2008 02:22:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:22:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80803141739s5a5c4d77i5bb3e321d920973a@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.8.103.205 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: KAVT AM STEREO 1680 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=DRgbw3439Qu_SGzo0Bux66iW7jqvf63lGqEOZg5mOhc7U1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > > I know several other stations that don't do news, 2 of my former emplyoers > being some of them. >=20 > Some stations don't do news, because thats not why people tune in, they tune > in for the music. >=20 > Paul People tune in to MY station to hear News, that's why we are number one or two in the market. Sadly, most stations are too cheap to do News, and that is why stations don't run it...not because people prefer music.....unless they want a jukebox, and in that case they are plenty of satellite stations that fill the bill. Juan Ft. Pierce, FL From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Mar 14 19:25:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6346 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2008 02:25:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2008 02:25:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.250) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2008 02:25:07 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d23so970198and.56 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:25:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.163.8 with SMTP id l8mr24667113ane.56.1205547906737; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:25:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.140.13 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80803141925j1b67d2a4l5b02bb656b1d08c9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:25:06 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80803141739s5a5c4d77i5bb3e321d920973a@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAVT AM STEREO 1680 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=wTU-OPes2ixfXkWfQsoHqEBkNDKxpDS3Z7DZXa4dVXkFi1mi9JRs8sUA X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well good for you, thats why people tune into your station. But i still stand by my statement and add that some people want just music and don't listen for news. WABV runs JUST music... NO news. Everyone else does it.. we have ABC, Fox, SRN and everything else under the sun for TOH news here in Abbeville-Greenwood. Paul On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Juan Gualda wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > wrote: > > > > I know several other stations that don't do news, 2 of my former > emplyoers > > being some of them. > > > > Some stations don't do news, because thats not why people tune in, > they tune > > in for the music. > > > > Paul > > People tune in to MY station to hear News, that's why we are number > one or two in the market. > > Sadly, most stations are too cheap to do News, and that is why > stations don't run it...not because people prefer music.....unless > they want a jukebox, and in that case they are plenty of satellite > stations that fill the bill. > > Juan > Ft. Pierce, FL > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.theradiogod.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Mar 14 20:36:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60560 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2008 03:36:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2008 03:36:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.162) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2008 03:36:20 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2008 03:36:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2008 03:36:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2008 03:36:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 03:36:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80803141925j1b67d2a4l5b02bb656b1d08c9@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.8.103.205 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: KAVT AM STEREO 1680 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=iz1dB-BytSvmwetWu37hJ1geZAsLm-vf8Vlv2qyf4M-dny8 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > > Well good for you, thats why people tune into your station. But i still > stand by my statement and add that some people want just music and don't > listen for news. >=20 > WABV runs JUST music... NO news. Everyone else does it.. we have ABC, Fox, > SRN and everything else under the sun for TOH news here in > Abbeville-Greenwood. >=20 > Paul Well good for you Paul. I am glad there are still a couple stations playing nothing but music out there (on AM), but I see a day soon where they will be gone, or playing music only in Spanish. I wish you all the best, because I like Music on AM. I know you do lost dog reports, and that is great. Hopefully you do other local stuff too...local PSAs, as opposed to the canned ones and other things like interviewing local officials who have something relevant to the community. If you don't, I really wish you luck, because you are going to need it in the long run. I can see stations like WNMB that play Music AND News doing well, and they are, in spite of Oldies signals from at least two markets coming in there. It isn't because of Music alone, it is because of the local angle in the programming. News, Public affairs and being seen at events in North Myrtle Beach. Bill gets it, and the formula is so simple, but it is not easy to duplicate, because it takes work, and far too many stations are clueless. It's sad really. Music on AM in my area ? North of me, there is an affiliate of the "True Oldies" channel. What a waste....the same 800 songs over and over.... To my West, is a Classic Country station....again playing the same 1200 songs over and over, with a ton of National spots from the satellite. I love Classic Country, but I like to hear something besides the Judds and Merle Haggard. The lack of a decent Classic Country made me buy a Sirius. Damn glad I did. Maybe if I lived closer I could listen to WABV...unless you play too much of the Judds ! :-) There is a Black Gospel station in my area, good audio, it's from the bird, but they do lots of local stuff.=20 And there's Cuba......Good music, but too much propaganda. Can't forget the Bahamas, still good radio. And you old buddies there in Cocoa.....They had a half decent R&B station there for awhile, now spanish and soon to be simulcasting WMEL (If my sources are correct). In the R&B mode, they were fun to listen to. Real live jocks, and some decent R&B. They had incredible audio. It sounded really good. Good and clean Hi-Fi sound. Hey, I love music on AM, I just wish there was a better selection, but I am living in the past. Juan From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Mar 14 20:40:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33643 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2008 03:40:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2008 03:40:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.247) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2008 03:40:38 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c25so901410ana.15 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:40:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.206.11 with SMTP id d11mr24792030ang.86.1205552437948; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:40:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.140.13 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80803142040x448fb52ek235cfe02067e90b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:40:37 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80803141925j1b67d2a4l5b02bb656b1d08c9@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAVT AM STEREO 1680 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=PkT3bydLb9rNUEtkwdXSJzgKuCspVtPGhjYjzYdsYDZfDSfsahRHc5N0 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan: 920 is soon to become "EWTN Catholic Radio". It is locally owned by Divine Mercy Communications and will have the call letters WDMB. 1300 is going to become "The Talk To Me Station, WMEL" WABV could do national and statewide news but everyone else is doing it.Whyshould we copy everything else? Music only is definately different then anyone else. No satelitte services, just Music on hard drive. I have a big enough playlsit to go 12 days without a repeat. We will air whatever Public Service Announcements, Community Information and other pertinent information that we get our hands on. Paul On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Juan Gualda wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > wrote: > > > > Well good for you, thats why people tune into your station. But i still > > stand by my statement and add that some people want just music and don't > > listen for news. > > > > WABV runs JUST music... NO news. Everyone else does it.. we have > ABC, Fox, > > SRN and everything else under the sun for TOH news here in > > Abbeville-Greenwood. > > > > Paul > > Well good for you Paul. I am glad there are still a couple stations > playing nothing but music out there (on AM), but I see a day soon > where they will be gone, or playing music only in Spanish. I wish you > all the best, because I like Music on AM. I know you do lost dog > reports, and that is great. Hopefully you do other local stuff > too...local PSAs, as opposed to the canned ones and other things like > interviewing local officials who have something relevant to the > community. If you don't, I really wish you luck, because you are going > to need it in the long run. > > I can see stations like WNMB that play Music AND News doing well, and > they are, in spite of Oldies signals from at least two markets coming > in there. It isn't because of Music alone, it is because of the local > angle in the programming. News, Public affairs and being seen at > events in North Myrtle Beach. Bill gets it, and the formula is so > simple, but it is not easy to duplicate, because it takes work, and > far too many stations are clueless. It's sad really. > > Music on AM in my area ? > > North of me, there is an affiliate of the "True Oldies" channel. What > a waste....the same 800 songs over and over.... > > To my West, is a Classic Country station....again playing the same > 1200 songs over and over, with a ton of National spots from the > satellite. I love Classic Country, but I like to hear something > besides the Judds and Merle Haggard. The lack of a decent Classic > Country made me buy a Sirius. Damn glad I did. Maybe if I lived closer > I could listen to WABV...unless you play too much of the Judds ! :-) > > There is a Black Gospel station in my area, good audio, it's from the > bird, but they do lots of local stuff. > > And there's Cuba......Good music, but too much propaganda. > > Can't forget the Bahamas, still good radio. > > And you old buddies there in Cocoa.....They had a half decent R&B > station there for awhile, now spanish and soon to be simulcasting WMEL > (If my sources are correct). In the R&B mode, they were fun to listen > to. Real live jocks, and some decent R&B. They had incredible audio. > It sounded really good. Good and clean Hi-Fi sound. > > Hey, I love music on AM, I just wish there was a better selection, but > I am living in the past. > > Juan > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.theradiogod.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Mar 14 21:26:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16448 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2008 04:26:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2008 04:26:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.189) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2008 04:26:07 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2008 04:26:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2008 04:26:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2008 04:26:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 04:26:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80803142040x448fb52ek235cfe02067e90b@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.8.103.205 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: 1300 & 920 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=7fCUPvSApKyV8ChpzZDK7hXmiMgb6Saxz-Gr9Wy9Y8Hu57A X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Paul, I don't know how long you were in the area, but 920 WMEL "used" to have a good signal. It used to be Stereo too. I tried to buy the Stereo gear, but they wouldn't sell it. This was at least 6 or 7 years ago. Maybe 1300 will make it down here more regularly. Some days it comes in great, some days not at all. They are off the air for days at a time though. Hopefully those days are over. I did like their R&B format. Good imaging and good music....It sounded better after they wired both channels of the CD player into the audio chain. lol Juan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > > Juan: >=20 > 920 is soon to become "EWTN Catholic Radio". It is locally owned by Divine > Mercy Communications and will have the call letters WDMB. >=20 > 1300 is going to become "The Talk To Me Station, WMEL" >=20 > WABV could do national and statewide news but everyone else is doing > it.Whyshould we copy everything else? Music only is definately > different then > anyone else. No satelitte services, just Music on hard drive. >=20 > I have a big enough playlsit to go 12 days without a repeat. We will air > whatever Public Service Announcements, Community Information and other > pertinent information that we get our hands on. >=20 > Paul >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Juan Gualda wrote: >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > > wrote: > > > > > > Well good for you, thats why people tune into your station. But i still > > > stand by my statement and add that some people want just music and don't > > > listen for news. > > > > > > WABV runs JUST music... NO news. Everyone else does it.. we have > > ABC, Fox, > > > SRN and everything else under the sun for TOH news here in > > > Abbeville-Greenwood. > > > > > > Paul > > > > Well good for you Paul. I am glad there are still a couple stations > > playing nothing but music out there (on AM), but I see a day soon > > where they will be gone, or playing music only in Spanish. I wish you > > all the best, because I like Music on AM. I know you do lost dog > > reports, and that is great. Hopefully you do other local stuff > > too...local PSAs, as opposed to the canned ones and other things like > > interviewing local officials who have something relevant to the > > community. If you don't, I really wish you luck, because you are going > > to need it in the long run. > > > > I can see stations like WNMB that play Music AND News doing well, and > > they are, in spite of Oldies signals from at least two markets coming > > in there. It isn't because of Music alone, it is because of the local > > angle in the programming. News, Public affairs and being seen at > > events in North Myrtle Beach. Bill gets it, and the formula is so > > simple, but it is not easy to duplicate, because it takes work, and > > far too many stations are clueless. It's sad really. > > > > Music on AM in my area ? > > > > North of me, there is an affiliate of the "True Oldies" channel. What > > a waste....the same 800 songs over and over.... > > > > To my West, is a Classic Country station....again playing the same > > 1200 songs over and over, with a ton of National spots from the > > satellite. I love Classic Country, but I like to hear something > > besides the Judds and Merle Haggard. The lack of a decent Classic > > Country made me buy a Sirius. Damn glad I did. Maybe if I lived closer > > I could listen to WABV...unless you play too much of the Judds ! :-) > > > > There is a Black Gospel station in my area, good audio, it's from the > > bird, but they do lots of local stuff. > > > > And there's Cuba......Good music, but too much propaganda. > > > > Can't forget the Bahamas, still good radio. > > > > And you old buddies there in Cocoa.....They had a half decent R&B > > station there for awhile, now spanish and soon to be simulcasting WMEL > > (If my sources are correct). In the R&B mode, they were fun to listen > > to. Real live jocks, and some decent R&B. They had incredible audio. > > It sounded really good. Good and clean Hi-Fi sound. > > > > Hey, I love music on AM, I just wish there was a better selection, but > > I am living in the past. > > > > Juan > > > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > http://www.realradiousa.com > http://www.theradiogod.com > http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > walkerbroadcasting@... >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Mar 14 21:41:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65279 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2008 04:41:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2008 04:41:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.240) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2008 04:41:17 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b36so1037952ana.106 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:41:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.212.13 with SMTP id k13mr25069728ang.76.1205556072872; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:41:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.140.13 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80803142141p67200edfqcbbb475d234542b3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:41:12 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80803142040x448fb52ek235cfe02067e90b@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1300 & 920 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=z-6ciwhGCBoM5ES20eXVqgg9f25lRnTO6enWW0NSAABUGjs9kNvg024T X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan: I was in Cocoa from March to December 2005. I worked with the LATE Steve Delay, Rama Communications former Chief Engineer. 1300's "local" signal is a bit better in Brevard County because their two tower pattern goes almost all north and south from the Central part of brevard County and 920's 4 tower, 5000 Watt pattern isn't quite as north/south and comes from the Southern part of the county. I could hear 1300 well north of Titusville and Vero beach clear as day at 4:45 in the afternoon. Hell, WTIR even streamed on the internet during the "urban" days. WMEL's website is still at http://www.920wmel.com 920's NEW site is http://www.divinemercyradio.com/ WTIR's website was www.1300wtir.com Paul On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Juan Gualda wrote: > Paul, > > I don't know how long you were in the area, but 920 WMEL "used" to > have a good signal. It used to be Stereo too. I tried to buy the > Stereo gear, but they wouldn't sell it. This was at least 6 or 7 years > ago. > > Maybe 1300 will make it down here more regularly. Some days it comes > in great, some days not at all. They are off the air for days at a > time though. Hopefully those days are over. > > I did like their R&B format. Good imaging and good music....It sounded > better after they wired both channels of the CD player into the audio > chain. lol > > Juan > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > wrote: > > > > Juan: > > > > 920 is soon to become "EWTN Catholic Radio". It is locally owned by > Divine > > Mercy Communications and will have the call letters WDMB. > > > > 1300 is going to become "The Talk To Me Station, WMEL" > > > > WABV could do national and statewide news but everyone else is doing > > it.Whyshould we copy everything else? Music only is definately > > different then > > anyone else. No satelitte services, just Music on hard drive. > > > > I have a big enough playlsit to go 12 days without a repeat. We will air > > whatever Public Service Announcements, Community Information and other > > pertinent information that we get our hands on. > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Juan Gualda wrote: > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > , > > > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Well good for you, thats why people tune into your station. But > i still > > > > stand by my statement and add that some people want just music > and don't > > > > listen for news. > > > > > > > > WABV runs JUST music... NO news. Everyone else does it.. we have > > > ABC, Fox, > > > > SRN and everything else under the sun for TOH news here in > > > > Abbeville-Greenwood. > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > Well good for you Paul. I am glad there are still a couple stations > > > playing nothing but music out there (on AM), but I see a day soon > > > where they will be gone, or playing music only in Spanish. I wish you > > > all the best, because I like Music on AM. I know you do lost dog > > > reports, and that is great. Hopefully you do other local stuff > > > too...local PSAs, as opposed to the canned ones and other things like > > > interviewing local officials who have something relevant to the > > > community. If you don't, I really wish you luck, because you are going > > > to need it in the long run. > > > > > > I can see stations like WNMB that play Music AND News doing well, and > > > they are, in spite of Oldies signals from at least two markets coming > > > in there. It isn't because of Music alone, it is because of the local > > > angle in the programming. News, Public affairs and being seen at > > > events in North Myrtle Beach. Bill gets it, and the formula is so > > > simple, but it is not easy to duplicate, because it takes work, and > > > far too many stations are clueless. It's sad really. > > > > > > Music on AM in my area ? > > > > > > North of me, there is an affiliate of the "True Oldies" channel. What > > > a waste....the same 800 songs over and over.... > > > > > > To my West, is a Classic Country station....again playing the same > > > 1200 songs over and over, with a ton of National spots from the > > > satellite. I love Classic Country, but I like to hear something > > > besides the Judds and Merle Haggard. The lack of a decent Classic > > > Country made me buy a Sirius. Damn glad I did. Maybe if I lived closer > > > I could listen to WABV...unless you play too much of the Judds ! :-) > > > > > > There is a Black Gospel station in my area, good audio, it's from the > > > bird, but they do lots of local stuff. > > > > > > And there's Cuba......Good music, but too much propaganda. > > > > > > Can't forget the Bahamas, still good radio. > > > > > > And you old buddies there in Cocoa.....They had a half decent R&B > > > station there for awhile, now spanish and soon to be simulcasting WMEL > > > (If my sources are correct). In the R&B mode, they were fun to listen > > > to. Real live jocks, and some decent R&B. They had incredible audio. > > > It sounded really good. Good and clean Hi-Fi sound. > > > > > > Hey, I love music on AM, I just wish there was a better selection, but > > > I am living in the past. > > > > > > Juan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sincerely, > > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > > http://www.realradiousa.com > > http://www.theradiogod.com > > http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > > walkerbroadcasting@... > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.theradiogod.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Mar 14 22:21:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37828 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2008 05:21:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2008 05:21:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.142) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2008 05:21:03 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n15.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2008 05:21:03 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2008 05:21:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2008 05:21:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 05:21:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80803142141p67200edfqcbbb475d234542b3@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.8.103.205 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: 1300 & 920 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=upKYR3ejtJo60FVrjOXZKKMA0M8fmHGxSrK6GMSA1dVPBw8 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Paul, WTIRs website still works. Are they going to try Internet Only ? It was weird...sometimes when going through the area, I would hear Urban, other times Spanish. I didn't realize they brokered a lot of their hours.....or was that the format ? I miss the R&B. They played some good old school mixed with smooth new stuff AND gospel. What a combo, but in my opinion it was fun. Juan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > > Juan: >=20 > I was in Cocoa from March to December 2005. I worked with the LATE Steve > Delay, Rama Communications former Chief Engineer. >=20 > 1300's "local" signal is a bit better in Brevard County because their two > tower pattern goes almost all north and south from the Central part of > brevard County and 920's 4 tower, 5000 Watt pattern isn't quite as > north/south and comes from the Southern part of the county. I could hear > 1300 well north of Titusville and Vero beach clear as day at 4:45 in the > afternoon. >=20 > Hell, WTIR even streamed on the internet during the "urban" days. >=20 > WMEL's website is still at http://www.920wmel.com > 920's NEW site is http://www.divinemercyradio.com/ > WTIR's website was www.1300wtir.com >=20 > Paul >=20 >=20 > On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Juan Gualda wrote: >=20 > > Paul, > > > > I don't know how long you were in the area, but 920 WMEL "used" to > > have a good signal. It used to be Stereo too. I tried to buy the > > Stereo gear, but they wouldn't sell it. This was at least 6 or 7 years > > ago. > > > > Maybe 1300 will make it down here more regularly. Some days it comes > > in great, some days not at all. They are off the air for days at a > > time though. Hopefully those days are over. > > > > I did like their R&B format. Good imaging and good music....It sounded > > better after they wired both channels of the CD player into the audio > > chain. lol > > > > Juan > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > > wrote: > > > > > > Juan: > > > > > > 920 is soon to become "EWTN Catholic Radio". It is locally owned by > > Divine > > > Mercy Communications and will have the call letters WDMB. > > > > > > 1300 is going to become "The Talk To Me Station, WMEL" > > > > > > WABV could do national and statewide news but everyone else is doing > > > it.Whyshould we copy everything else? Music only is definately > > > different then > > > anyone else. No satelitte services, just Music on hard drive. > > > > > > I have a big enough playlsit to go 12 days without a repeat. We will air > > > whatever Public Service Announcements, Community Information and other > > > pertinent information that we get our hands on. > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Juan Gualda wrote: > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > , > > > > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well good for you, thats why people tune into your station. But > > i still > > > > > stand by my statement and add that some people want just music > > and don't > > > > > listen for news. > > > > > > > > > > WABV runs JUST music... NO news. Everyone else does it.. we have > > > > ABC, Fox, > > > > > SRN and everything else under the sun for TOH news here in > > > > > Abbeville-Greenwood. > > > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > Well good for you Paul. I am glad there are still a couple stations > > > > playing nothing but music out there (on AM), but I see a day soon > > > > where they will be gone, or playing music only in Spanish. I wish you > > > > all the best, because I like Music on AM. I know you do lost dog > > > > reports, and that is great. Hopefully you do other local stuff > > > > too...local PSAs, as opposed to the canned ones and other things like > > > > interviewing local officials who have something relevant to the > > > > community. If you don't, I really wish you luck, because you are going > > > > to need it in the long run. > > > > > > > > I can see stations like WNMB that play Music AND News doing well, and > > > > they are, in spite of Oldies signals from at least two markets coming > > > > in there. It isn't because of Music alone, it is because of the local > > > > angle in the programming. News, Public affairs and being seen at > > > > events in North Myrtle Beach. Bill gets it, and the formula is so > > > > simple, but it is not easy to duplicate, because it takes work, and > > > > far too many stations are clueless. It's sad really. > > > > > > > > Music on AM in my area ? > > > > > > > > North of me, there is an affiliate of the "True Oldies" channel. What > > > > a waste....the same 800 songs over and over.... > > > > > > > > To my West, is a Classic Country station....again playing the same > > > > 1200 songs over and over, with a ton of National spots from the > > > > satellite. I love Classic Country, but I like to hear something > > > > besides the Judds and Merle Haggard. The lack of a decent Classic > > > > Country made me buy a Sirius. Damn glad I did. Maybe if I lived closer > > > > I could listen to WABV...unless you play too much of the Judds ! :-) > > > > > > > > There is a Black Gospel station in my area, good audio, it's from the > > > > bird, but they do lots of local stuff. > > > > > > > > And there's Cuba......Good music, but too much propaganda. > > > > > > > > Can't forget the Bahamas, still good radio. > > > > > > > > And you old buddies there in Cocoa.....They had a half decent R&B > > > > station there for awhile, now spanish and soon to be simulcasting WMEL > > > > (If my sources are correct). In the R&B mode, they were fun to listen > > > > to. Real live jocks, and some decent R&B. They had incredible audio. > > > > It sounded really good. Good and clean Hi-Fi sound. > > > > > > > > Hey, I love music on AM, I just wish there was a better selection, but > > > > I am living in the past. > > > > > > > > Juan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sincerely, > > > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > > > http://www.realradiousa.com > > > http://www.theradiogod.com > > > http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > > > walkerbroadcasting@ > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > http://www.realradiousa.com > http://www.theradiogod.com > http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > walkerbroadcasting@... >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Mar 15 10:15:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1955 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2008 17:14:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2008 17:14:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2008 17:14:59 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.133] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080315121443103253700004> for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:14:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008801c886c0$376b97a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:14:43 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} It's getting dangerous to be a broadcaster.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=EWO4GKbW8DJ_Eqb6Ho_pnCdXdSrZb_kA7ekdPaxgSb7DQ7Z8g1M9 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone crashed into the WLS TV studios several weeks ago. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Car crashes into KXL (750 AM, Portland, OR) station building: --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 15 20:08:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24015 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2008 03:08:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2008 03:08:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.133) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2008 03:08:34 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n6.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2008 03:08:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2008 03:08:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2008 03:08:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:08:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008801c886c0$376b97a0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.57.251.228 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} It's getting dangerous to be a broadcaster.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=Q3mFuJbJ0WeLyUImjvX4wYMOwsHK6HUIZYq7rMN7YQS3VaVt925f8920CvYlRAxdniSxMVyl X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Someone crashed into the WLS TV studios several weeks ago. >=20 > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Amy Mousie=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 >=20 > Car crashes into KXL (750 AM, Portland, OR) station building: >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang Theres some crazys out there!!! Hay Scott can you please E=20 Mail me. Thanks Jim Smith From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 15 20:15:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60242 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2008 03:15:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2008 03:15:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.201) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2008 03:15:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6143 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2008 03:15:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO i5d3d0) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.57.251.228 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2008 03:15:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Y7exy0YVM1mCNdHsbDMvEnRXk7M6S_CChqk4ysgiDSqwmIEZ4cevwYOg09miWDOTXNA_1B_ut2r7KHejZeHOjiIhBExlauyfsKpyiduLQ_DhcJ.kpeA- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000c01c8871c$aa0a60a0$f968fea9@i5d3d0> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:17:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: KAVT has changed calls X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=DR4kprxBihYRjQ7Ut9Jnke__hKdqtUmDkoDyYWiGCmbaBLN-IUOCCTugCp-rMpookbW_QwY8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang KAVT AM 1680 is now KGED AM 1680 and thay will soon have a web page at www.legends1680.com . Thay have a starter page there now. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Sat Mar 15 21:41:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46119 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2008 04:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2008 04:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.115) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2008 04:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2008 04:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2008 04:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2008 04:41:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 04:41:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: It's getting dangerous to be a broadcaster.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=FaMo_cnFhqpifVmbRMvGsTyYDAwWHiA_Jn7ei2n_Eb_D4co-mzR6 X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 And, I thought we just had the laws of nature to deal with...=20 I'm now the (so-called) morning talent at WSTJ St-Johnsbury, VT. My=20 weekend warriors were exactly that last Sunday morning as they walked=20 into 3 inches of water in the "ole basement studios" (Thanks to Steve=20 Cannon up in WCCO-land for that line). Darn have we had a winter... thanks to it being warmer than normal.. it=20 is in the running to being one of the snowiest since 1970-71. Bob in Vermont --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > Car crashes into KXL (750 AM, Portland, OR) station building: > http://www.katu.com/news/16687591.html >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Mar 17 15:29:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16040 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2008 22:29:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2008 22:29:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2008 22:29:23 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bb8.24cb958c (37047) for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:29:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MC14 (webmail-mc14.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.91]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB035-90b747def0b628; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:29:10 -0400 References: <000c01c8871c$aa0a60a0$f968fea9@i5d3d0> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:29:10 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <000c01c8871c$aa0a60a0$f968fea9@i5d3d0> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35304-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MC14.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.91) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:29:10 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA569574448CDF-688-BFE@WEBMAIL-MC14.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=bTDKa1_ksiopwQQDRpEOhntPGnspg01MKBbhN7p8mo7rLRDySXWaoxmiPyl-sV2q X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently heard "Walking on Broken Glass" by the Eurythmics on KCJJ on the Roadmaster's Delco Concert II at 250 miles distant.? It sounded absolutely fantastic, especially with the nearly explosive dynamics and?bedrock solid low end.? Not the slightest hint of pumping or breathing.? Even the highs seems as good as FM.? Excellent separation and stereo imaging. Does anyone know what kind of signal processing and exciter/transmitter they are using? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Mar 17 18:33:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99134 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2008 01:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2008 01:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2008 01:33:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27356 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2008 01:33:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: a0_IahEVM1llRcPpp2hEEZGgipppyecGYLiCaIr1ohnZcE33tCCeGwRr2wAlw16IOqG7Y.x4Az_5CsRqKn4RrAtlsZej6NQHE1fg8D_OtkTSGvki0ok- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:33:14 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:33:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA569574448CDF-688-BFE@WEBMAIL-MC14.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <120972.27167.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=phm0HNHigXMYTVNkKnthFTpRGoGGN09MP9gVidwadvy0mA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I've noticed that, too. Seems KCJJ really prides themselves on audio quality. Just guessing, but the processor might be an Orban Optimod 9100...set up right, those things sound awesome. Kudos also to their board operators, obviously not just more of the "let the limiter worry about the level" crowd. When I have been closer to them, I've listened more to the operating than the content... sounds pretty darn good! Hope they stay like this for a long time. George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I recently heard "Walking on Broken Glass" by the > Eurythmics on KCJJ on the Roadmaster's Delco Concert > II at 250 miles distant.? It sounded absolutely > fantastic, especially with the nearly explosive > dynamics and?bedrock solid low end.? Not the > slightest hint of pumping or breathing.? Even the > highs seems as good as FM.? Excellent separation and > stereo imaging. > > Does anyone know what kind of signal processing and > exciter/transmitter they are using? > > Mike > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Mar 17 18:37:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3598 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2008 01:37:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2008 01:37:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.242) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2008 01:37:33 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c10so1330113ana.52 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:37:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.214.6 with SMTP id m6mr211827ang.39.1205804244659; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:37:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80803171837n632d22bat26baffc79a8d6f8a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:37:24 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <120972.27167.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8CA569574448CDF-688-BFE@WEBMAIL-MC14.sysops.aol.com> <120972.27167.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.242 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=Em2H6APLbzaTxL0QupWUd6wKg3Jj80j8t0y76AqVUB79qW_q_limS_y9 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone ever consider they might not be dropping power at night? Paul On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 9:33 PM, george russell wrote: > I've noticed that, too. Seems KCJJ really prides > themselves on audio quality. Just guessing, but the > processor might be an Orban Optimod > 9100...set up right, those things sound awesome. > Kudos also to their board operators, obviously not > just more of the > "let the limiter worry about the level" crowd. When I > have been closer to them, I've listened more to the > operating than the content... > sounds pretty darn good! Hope they stay like this for > a long time. > George > --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > I recently heard "Walking on Broken Glass" by the > > Eurythmics on KCJJ on the Roadmaster's Delco Concert > > II at 250 miles distant.? It sounded absolutely > > fantastic, especially with the nearly explosive > > dynamics and?bedrock solid low end.? Not the > > slightest hint of pumping or breathing.? Even the > > highs seems as good as FM.? Excellent separation and > > stereo imaging. > > > > Does anyone know what kind of signal processing and > > exciter/transmitter they are using? > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.theradiogod.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Mar 17 19:38:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84916 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2008 02:38:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2008 02:38:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.244) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2008 02:38:44 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2008 02:38:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2008 02:38:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:38:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80803171837n632d22bat26baffc79a8d6f8a@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.49.60 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=ipiQfptgUbyoxqhoXphudrAzHahZvvsfD1rgvEF-I79EduI X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > > Anyone ever consider they might not be dropping power at night? >=20 > Paul NO....for reasons I will not get into on here.=20 The signal gets out well. Juan=20 Fort Pierce, Fl From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Mar 17 19:41:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81602 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2008 02:41:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2008 02:41:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-0708.google.com) (64.233.178.250) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2008 02:41:35 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id z77so5412430hsz.9 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:41:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.140.19 with SMTP id n19mr350372and.23.1205808083092; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:41:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80803171941k68ba1d8ey46872102b543dc95@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:41:22 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80803171837n632d22bat26baffc79a8d6f8a@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=4jbWuMC2sgQtr9vYeoMnW-7D2qBQsjBrKBvn8jP1TDbDHFMAAyk9VR18 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't care what a station says to someone.....or what you see when you might go see them...... I think it's entirely possible . Paul On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Juan Gualda wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > wrote: > > > > Anyone ever consider they might not be dropping power at night? > > > > Paul > > NO....for reasons I will not get into on here. > > The signal gets out well. > > Juan > Fort Pierce, Fl > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.theradiogod.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Mar 17 20:09:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54340 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2008 03:09:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2008 03:09:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.163) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2008 03:09:04 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2008 03:09:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2008 03:09:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2008 03:09:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:09:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80803171941k68ba1d8ey46872102b543dc95@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.49.60 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=CeHZe5esRZL7l5gxX3D1RvOGuK_Lb_ejjtbiE4DKsXeeM7E X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Yes Paul, it is possible...but why bring it up ? Gene Bridges is a long time Broadcaster. he may not be on this list, but I know for a fact that some on this list know him well. Even implying that he is running high power at night is foolish, unless you have proof. It accomplishes nothing but getting people pissed off. Also, you have to be careful of Libel. One more bit of advice form a 25 plus year broadcaster....being that Radio has a 40% plus unemployment rate...it is best not to burn any bridges as they say.... You never know when you will need someones help. Please take it from me....I have seen this happen. Juan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > > I don't care what a station says to someone.....or what you see when you > might go see them...... I think it's entirely possible . >=20 > Paul >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Juan Gualda wrote: >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > > wrote: > > > > > > Anyone ever consider they might not be dropping power at night? > > > > > > Paul > > > > NO....for reasons I will not get into on here. > > > > The signal gets out well. > > > > Juan > > Fort Pierce, Fl > > > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > http://www.realradiousa.com > http://www.theradiogod.com > http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > walkerbroadcasting@... >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Mar 17 20:15:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76197 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2008 03:15:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2008 03:15:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-0708.google.com) (64.233.178.250) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2008 03:15:55 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 4so4328374hsl.5 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:15:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.41.4 with SMTP id o4mr458484ano.86.1205810142380; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:15:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80803172015l5683799ewd879431b846620dc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:15:42 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80803171941k68ba1d8ey46872102b543dc95@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=drgcQYbqJSWAQuZkh7AS_ZK3j8cWIY-c-EzbgyBHuRK3ilnXeHde3N-S X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Im not burning any bridges bnut Im just playing devils advocate here.. anything is possible. Plus, why would I care about KCJJ? Back when I was high school, I contacted them after hearing them and was treated like shit, sworn at and told to get lost in not so nice terms for simply emailing them, told them I heard them and etc Paul On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Juan Gualda wrote: > Yes Paul, it is possible...but why bring it up ? > > Gene Bridges is a long time Broadcaster. he may not be on this list, > but I know for a fact that some on this list know him well. > > Even implying that he is running high power at night is foolish, > unless you have proof. It accomplishes nothing but getting people > pissed off. Also, you have to be careful of Libel. > > One more bit of advice form a 25 plus year broadcaster....being that > Radio has a 40% plus unemployment rate...it is best not to burn any > bridges as they say.... You never know when you will need someones > help. Please take it from me....I have seen this happen. > > Juan > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > wrote: > > > > I don't care what a station says to someone.....or what you see when you > > might go see them...... I think it's entirely possible . > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Juan Gualda wrote: > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > , > > > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Anyone ever consider they might not be dropping power at night? > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > NO....for reasons I will not get into on here. > > > > > > The signal gets out well. > > > > > > Juan > > > Fort Pierce, Fl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sincerely, > > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > > http://www.realradiousa.com > > http://www.theradiogod.com > > http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > > walkerbroadcasting@... > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.theradiogod.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Mar 17 20:30:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21417 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2008 03:30:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2008 03:30:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.166) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2008 03:30:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2008 03:30:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2008 03:30:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2008 03:30:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:30:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80803172015l5683799ewd879431b846620dc@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.49.60 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=aM-1RJjjUN16VG1ggN3yfq05_uLZuKNp8GOg1X1gwMMpmvw X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > > Im not burning any bridges bnut Im just playing devils advocate here.. > anything is possible. >=20 > Plus, why would I care about KCJJ? Back when I was high school, I contacted > them after hearing them and was treated like shit, sworn at and told to get > lost in not so nice terms for simply emailing them, told them I heard them > and etc >=20 > Paul >=20 LOL I was unemployed in the 80's at one time and called Gene for a job. He asked me what I wanted for salary, I told him...then he told me it was too much..... Hey Paul.....It's his fault he can't spot good talent when it came to hiring you and I.=20 His loss......but seriously, everything happens for a reason. Juan From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Mar 17 21:05:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7936 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2008 04:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2008 04:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2008 04:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cfc.2d3ba9f0 (39952) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:05:20 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=vJ45BWFgtf0idvlC911K6EgYTbf5mM2bkqcwNpoN5B1ClGLKSDiYG9j0R3kfPuVu X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/17/08 8:42:14 PM Central Standard Time, walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com writes: > I don't care what a station says to someone.....or what you see when you > might go see them...... I think it's entirely possible . > Ground conductivity or not, KCJJ packs the power into the St. Louis area at night. Sometimes more that the other station of the corn, WHO who sents 50 kW up their Franklin. I also wonder if our friends in Iowa City are getting that kind of reach with only a kilowatt into a short non-directional antenna. Whatever they're doing, it sounds great. I purposefully listened for pump and breathing during recovery, there was none. I don't mean a little. I mean none. No hard compression on the peaks either. Infinity run KMOX here has every resource (except people), so I am certain they have an Optimod. In comparison to KCJJ, their on air sound is about as flat as a weekold Big Gulp you find in one of backseat cupholders. Is Optimod the old CBS Labs after it was spun off? Mike ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Mar 18 09:41:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61583 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2008 16:41:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2008 16:41:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2008 16:41:27 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.204] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080318114109100786400003> for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:41:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008201c88917$0b49d3e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:41:09 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=mBbje15bD6fX3DQQD7wL5MvPOuWHP4xntgFlSWu6d38oDEalvrbA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't remember the processing but the transmitter is a Harris DX-10. No direct relationship between CBS and Optimod. Seems to me Mike Dorrough pretty much put the single band limiter types out of business with his DAP-310. Essentially Robert Orban(owski) souped up the design and created his own company. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com Does anyone know what kind of signal processing and exciter/transmitter they are using? Is Optimod the old CBS Labs after it was spun off? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Mar 18 10:48:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30068 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2008 17:47:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2008 17:47:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2008 17:47:36 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ce5.2b4f2eb2 (34989) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:47:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from webmail-de06 (webmail-de06.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.27]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB012-88ad47e000343b6; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:47:32 -0400 References: <8bce0fe80803171941k68ba1d8ey46872102b543dc95@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80803172015l5683799ewd879431b846620dc@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:47:32 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80803172015l5683799ewd879431b846620dc@mail.gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35304-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-de06.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.27) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:47:32 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA573746246441-C68-19F@webmail-de06.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=aGShReDvorMDQtXHZB65N_mZR2lCQw-LmrKnN3_HQ0mWa4V6-IQYCMmeoZ0xBv4i X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ? You must have contacted the GM.? That's just how?they express affection.???I heard a GM call this guy every name in book?before?calling him?out to settle things?in the parking lot.??The guy on the receiving end was one of the station owners.?? After this same GM had a similar "lovefest" with a FCC field agent,?he had?to go off to charm school (rehab) for awhile. As for KCJJ's power, if they failed to cutback power, it would be documented in operating log.? It may be hard to tell at distance because of?the nature o f ionospheric propagation, but the difference between 1Kw and 10Kw is 10dB which would be easily noticed on the close-in night-time groundwave contour.? Even if KCJJ's loyal listeners wouldn't blow the whistle, you can bet the farm its competition in Iowa City would. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Mar 18 10:55:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7753 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2008 17:55:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2008 17:55:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.247) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2008 17:55:00 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b33so6601ana.90 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:55:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.138.16 with SMTP id l16mr2304860and.95.1205862900172; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:55:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80803181055m607c9d86k7a3d2b52db314d63@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:55:00 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA573746246441-C68-19F@webmail-de06.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80803171941k68ba1d8ey46872102b543dc95@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80803172015l5683799ewd879431b846620dc@mail.gmail.com> <8CA573746246441-C68-19F@webmail-de06.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=t27Jl7F6FCMYLeT9tYdh8hmiWCOZKFKdQh3W1hOrF-Cc9IDqHKBW7u5K X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If a station failed to cutback power and was operating overower at more then licensed parameters.. you actually think they'd document it in their Operating log? You must be quite naive.... I don't know any operator would be stupid enough to admit to that in writing. Paul On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 1:47 PM, wrote: > terms>? > > You must have contacted the GM.? That's just how?they express > affection.???I heard a GM call this guy every name in book?before?calling > him?out to settle things?in the parking lot.??The guy on the receiving end > was one of the station owners.?? After this same GM had a similar "lovefest" > with a FCC field agent,?he had?to go off to charm school (rehab) for awhile. > > As for KCJJ's power, if they failed to cutback power, it would be > documented in operating log.? It may be hard to tell at distance because > of?the nature o f ionospheric propagation, but the difference between 1Kw > and 10Kw is 10dB which would be easily noticed on the close-in night-time > groundwave contour.? Even if KCJJ's loyal listeners wouldn't blow the > whistle, you can bet the farm its competition in Iowa City would. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.theradiogod.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Mar 18 11:21:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19823 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2008 18:18:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2008 18:18:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2008 18:18:47 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d37.27ce1e22 (37141) for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:18:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from FWM-D13 (fwm-d13.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.205]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA033-911547e0078429c; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:18:44 -0400 References: <8bce0fe80803171941k68ba1d8ey46872102b543dc95@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80803172015l5683799ewd879431b846620dc@mail.gmail.com> <8CA573746246441-C68-19F@webmail-de06.sysops.aol.com> <8bce0fe80803181055m607c9d86k7a3d2b52db314d63@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:18:44 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80803181055m607c9d86k7a3d2b52db314d63@mail.gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35304-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by FWM-D13.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.205) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:18:44 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA573BA2B30B2C-5B8-142@FWM-D13.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=8JZlCzN6izNPgZ7F4t9PyoEnZBph-1GRELpyY22G3EqOCcvOZqSm8vmXQhvuldxS X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If a station failed to cutback power and was operating overower at more then licensed parameters.. you actually think they'd document it in their Operating log? I bet they use a computerized operating log.? Operating in excess of authorized power is a rules infraction, subject to fines and license forfeiture.? Falsifying logs is a felony subject to imprisonment in a federal prison.? Big difference, especially if you have hemmoroids. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Mar 18 11:24:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56688 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2008 18:22:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2008 18:22:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.242) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2008 18:22:58 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c8so11338ana.47 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:22:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.122.8 with SMTP id u8mr2407660anc.103.1205864577665; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:22:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80803181122p70e721d3xbeb08368371fd018@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:22:57 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA573BA2B30B2C-5B8-142@FWM-D13.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80803171941k68ba1d8ey46872102b543dc95@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80803172015l5683799ewd879431b846620dc@mail.gmail.com> <8CA573746246441-C68-19F@webmail-de06.sysops.aol.com> <8bce0fe80803181055m607c9d86k7a3d2b52db314d63@mail.gmail.com> <8CA573BA2B30B2C-5B8-142@FWM-D13.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.242 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=YwLGuHu_uma8A_GyQ8ZpRAbAqbSBDl6WtzBzgCHdlqZ5FRkzFM6O44Gy X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not all stations have computerized logs, including several of the ones I've worked for. On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 2:18 PM, wrote: > > > If a station failed to cutback power and was operating overower at more > then > licensed parameters.. you actually think they'd document it in their > Operating log? > > I bet they use a computerized operating log.? Operating in excess of > authorized power is a rules infraction, subject to fines and license > forfeiture.? Falsifying logs is a felony subject to imprisonment in a > federal prison.? Big difference, especially if you have hemmoroids. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.theradiogod.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Mar 18 11:28:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68943 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2008 18:27:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2008 18:27:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2008 18:27:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66063 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2008 18:27:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SSjE8ZAVM1mqHVIU4d686MqtS6dIZswpuAO3LM5hI1_sGsus9w0epQfDd7D9OqhXUZjATMftYA-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:27:13 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:27:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80803181122p70e721d3xbeb08368371fd018@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <780246.65596.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=aCIyjQH3aCLoZZ7cGn15njANYI0q1qxOIAjONxHKJ44 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > Not all stations have computerized logs, including > several of the ones I've worked for. But Paul, the stations you have mostly worked for have been disfunctional at best. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Mar 18 11:53:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62440 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2008 18:52:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2008 18:52:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.182) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2008 18:52:33 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so51145pyi.13 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:52:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.35.105.18 with SMTP id h18mr1705828pym.49.1205866352624; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from wildbpp09meyrl ( [71.244.174.72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a2sm28294235pyi.12.2008.03.18.11.52.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007001c88929$31564160$6d02a8c0@wildbpp09meyrl> To: References: <8CA569574448CDF-688-BFE@WEBMAIL-MC14.sysops.aol.com> <120972.27167.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8bce0fe80803171837n632d22bat26baffc79a8d6f8a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:52:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=-XstToYGdk-gh7yV5nMALxUHm0LrIx-P4VktcdyWQnxsLucwnKIIQXAMYAUejA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > Anyone ever consider they might not be dropping power at night? I was thinking the same thing, so I drove up into their Local Coverage area and at Sunset, they dropped off a cliff. From what I can tell, they have a MUCH better skywave than Groundwave signal. Kevin From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Mar 18 12:04:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35450 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2008 19:04:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2008 19:04:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2008 19:04:17 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2008 19:04:17 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2008 19:04:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2008 19:04:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:04:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80803181055m607c9d86k7a3d2b52db314d63@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.149.16.45 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=e9rri86EASToIPmFCU4Y-y-4IxpA4o4e1Zvin84anHlbCpA X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 wrote: > > If a station failed to cutback power and was operating overower at=20 more then > licensed parameters.. you actually think they'd document it in their > Operating log? >=20 > You must be quite naive.... I don't know any operator would be=20 stupid enough > to admit to that in writing. >=20 > Paul Paul, As far as punishment goes, you are better off being honest about an=20 infraction than lying about it. Any LEGITAMATE broadcaster, who may=20 OCASSIONALLY commit an error, will not get in trouble if they=20 sometimes forget to lower power (for example). Falsyfing logs is=20 serious...very serious. If a broadcaster is stupid enough (and maybe naive enough) to lie on=20 a log, then the FCC will most likely throw the book. A violation has to be "willful and or repeated"....according to the=20 FCC. Juan From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Mar 18 12:22:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31409 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2008 19:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2008 19:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.183) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2008 19:22:12 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u52so58510pyb.10 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:22:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.35.65.17 with SMTP id s17mr1781945pyk.37.1205868131404; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from wildbpp09meyrl ( [71.244.174.72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p77sm28653666pyb.16.2008.03.18.12.22.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01c501c8892d$557e3fd0$6d02a8c0@wildbpp09meyrl> To: References: <8bce0fe80803171941k68ba1d8ey46872102b543dc95@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80803172015l5683799ewd879431b846620dc@mail.gmail.com> <8CA573746246441-C68-19F@webmail-de06.sysops.aol.com> <8bce0fe80803181055m607c9d86k7a3d2b52db314d63@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:21:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=jfWU47ro8nS3XzLk0pZv2uMDC6q5RhL8o06SBUci05wXFIdC6fGa9IusO9LNvg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: >I don't know any operator would be stupid enough to admit to that in >writing. I can name names! ROFL Kevin From robert.w.welch@att.net Tue Mar 18 14:03:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90750 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2008 21:03:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2008 21:03:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.165) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2008 21:03:31 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2008 21:03:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2008 21:03:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2008 21:03:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:03:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CA573BA2B30B2C-5B8-142@FWM-D13.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.165 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.241.134.25 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=4KsIf1w-y-EIL2ENVhw4VFrAKD3cb2iFd_fzkjlfJAoQy385Kg8U X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 This is the point in the conversation where I as a bystander who has=20 taken more notes in transmitter logs than you could count in a=20 year... has to laugh... because at most radio stations the people=20 taking those numbers which we take so seriously... are usually people=20 who have no idea what they are noting... so they wouldn't know if=20 what they were writing down was a note of their own stations' legal=20 infraction or not. Bob Welch, Now mornings.. and APD at WSTJ St Johnsbury, VT --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > >=20 >=20 > If a station failed to cutback power and was operating overower at=20 more then > licensed parameters.. you actually think they'd document it in their > Operating log? >=20 >=20 > I bet they use a computerized operating log.? Operating in excess=20 of authorized power is a rules infraction, subject to fines and=20 license forfeiture.? Falsifying logs is a felony subject to=20 imprisonment in a federal prison.? Big difference, especially if you=20 have hemmoroids. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Mar 18 17:33:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46293 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2008 00:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2008 00:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2008 00:33:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 68018 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Mar 2008 00:33:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: el_RiZ0VM1l5ys0OOLwMY4Miix3TAfBKqniF6_Rq96l_uLayC01pf_mnDyn_bwLhgUYzqC904y4fHYAivUoNoHVeqnfDk_bz63t66cC6jJKZsPrVlI4- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:33:14 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:33:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <784496.67665.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=6IknrKHDNiMjejg2MF5x2neNzYP32befNbGnarepgoW2wA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Optimod AFAIK, Is no relation to CBS Labs. It was started by Robert Orban, who was inspired (?) by the nasty processing on FM stations he listened to. His first processor combined audio processing and stereo signal generating in one package, and was a huge hit. He also made products for pro-audio but non-broadcast users, like parametric EQs, compressors, etc. KMOX no doubt can afford the best, but they may have jumped on the digital bandwagon too early and bought a 1st generation Omnia or the like, or maybe DID buy an Optimod, but are not feeding it properly. Pardon my blunt analogy, but you can't polish a piece of fecal matter! A good processor can do some pretty amazing things to audio, but the audio has to be good to start with. (Mr. Orban makes no secret of his love for vinyl.) Our local FM oldies mill went with top-of-the-heap audio from board to STL...but plays low bit-rate MP3s for a music source...yech!!! They are quickly losing listeners to a newer station that sounds a LOT better. All that to save space on the lousy hard-drive! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/17/08 8:42:14 PM Central > Standard Time, > walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com writes: > > > > I don't care what a station says to someone.....or > what you see when you > > might go see them...... I think it's entirely > possible . > > > > Ground conductivity or not, KCJJ packs the power > into the St. Louis area at > night. Sometimes more that the other station of the > corn, WHO who sents 50 kW > up their Franklin. I also wonder if our friends in > Iowa City are getting that > kind of reach with only a kilowatt into a short > non-directional antenna. > > Whatever they're doing, it sounds great. I > purposefully listened for pump > and breathing during recovery, there was none. I > don't mean a little. I mean > none. No hard compression on the peaks either. > > Infinity run KMOX here has every resource (except > people), so I am certain > they have an Optimod. In comparison to KCJJ, their > on air sound is about as > flat as a weekold Big Gulp you find in one of > backseat cupholders. > > Is Optimod the old CBS Labs after it was spun off? > > Mike > > > ************** > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL > Money & > Finance. > > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Mar 19 04:07:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54019 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2008 11:07:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2008 11:07:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2008 11:07:54 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cce.28fb14ac (30740) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:07:48 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=qF8L0-X3yBT16mZiuKqveOtP7cxWfzIh-FpidpSVl6ZqOJB7Ps34pHZlzJ2h5f6U X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know how "smart" an Orban is. I know with the audio processing units of my day, there was alot of "tuning" required to get good results. AGC vs. Limiting. Attack and recovery times. Threshold levels. Compression ratios, etc.. In part, it depended on the program material. If you were a Top 40 you didn't have the same settings as an All News, even with the same equipment. It could be that KMOX is HD and KCJJ is AMS. When the Delco detects the AMS pilot, it opens up its bandwidth. Mike ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Mar 19 05:56:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30180 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2008 12:55:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2008 12:55:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2008 12:55:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 842 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Mar 2008 12:55:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zBnv714VM1lEJj4WsqT715DPT1blpnuT4oOy6lexeC1PIcgKqCjbm0Ti6kywJEQskKb5lcIAUV6LULQhaDi7ylu8mLc2zKS6w5G_u0gSA2rQ23E- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:55:52 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:55:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <630403.327.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=0CApK4bcXWLKiWXriy_1iQvFNP2Uk4V3GGjBG7dgdeLVdnTZkUupzaI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Wasn't music on the first-gen hard drives at stations stored as MP2s instead of crappy MP3's ? ...plays low bit-rate MP3s... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Mar 19 06:39:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40337 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2008 13:37:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2008 13:37:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2008 13:37:28 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c1c.2f5a2063 (41811) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:36:33 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=yq-jhHMKzAk4iM-ljmB6XCQmMQYi6ZitdEWqOH97Gk5zSj3fi8GuPm3oS1Ukv01Z X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/19/08 6:56:43 AM Central Standard Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > Wasn't music on the first-gen hard drives at stations stored as MP2s > instead of crappy MP3's ? > The MP3 format is lossy. The automation system I remember had carts recorded at 7.5 ips as were the rotation carts. Oldies were records which had to be in pristine condition. A scratch would make the Level Devil go nuts. Mike ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Mar 19 07:21:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41357 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2008 14:20:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2008 14:20:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2008 14:20:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 85415 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Mar 2008 14:20:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KUpf0XsVM1mEmcJjE8ABb4UAdClt_chYBQrRTZ08lwQdhvzyY7QbgqQgX3W5lHZwjiDlOrtgHg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.130] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:20:27 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:20:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <630403.327.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <580534.83224.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KCJJ Iowa City X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=3r26YyHSveLzQhucOp7wNsXw8CA-h6O20--ySgTpbu4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "John P." wrote: > Wasn't music on the first-gen hard drives at > stations stored as MP2s > instead of crappy MP3's ? Well we call it Mpeg layer 2. Our older Enco still does. iTunes rips as Mpeg layer 4 !!! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Mar 19 09:57:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97858 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2008 16:57:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2008 16:57:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qmix.com) (209.43.120.44) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2008 16:57:45 -0000 X-Received: from jburgan (mail.qmix.com [69.95.183.85] (may be forged)) by qmix.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id m2JGviu28498 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:57:44 -0400 Message-ID: <002101c889e2$5b870a50$980110ac@jburgan> To: References: <003901c7b793$216cc340$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:57:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080319-0, 03/19/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 209.43.120.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: More on KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=O2Pt1WDFZUkOabmDJDF5847up7zXZ-wFCH4LX2USOJm6zg0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > As for KCJJ's power, if they failed to cutback power, it would be > documented in operating log.? It may be hard to tell at distance > because of?the nature o f ionospheric propagation, but the difference > between 1Kw and 10Kw is 10dB which would be easily noticed > on the close-in night-time groundwave contour.? They are cutting back to 1KW at sunset Central Time. I heard the difference and interruption in service when they made the switch a few times last December. Those extended band frequencies are much better for propagation and there are only a few stations on them at night (1630 kc only has 4 stations in the US using that frequency, day and night and none of them have KCJJ's location (the other 3 are in Fort Worth TX, Fox Farm WY, and Augusta, GA) or ground conductivity. I do hear the Augusta station under KCJJ at times, but KCJJ is the dominant one on 1630. The fact that KCJJ is propagating better is probably related to their 83.5° (electrical degree) tower (if memory serves, shorter towers lend themselves to better propagation, while somewhat limiting their groundwave abilities) and terrific soil conductivity. I'd say they are getting out as well as they SHOULD get out considering the transmitter plant and location and competition on the dial. In any event, I'd bet the farm they are reducing power from 10 to 1 KW at sunset. -Jim- (drowning in torrential rains in Indiana) From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Mar 19 11:17:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60707 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2008 18:17:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2008 18:17:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2008 18:17:14 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d3b.20e1904a (34922) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:17:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from mblk-d50 (mblk-d50.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.234]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA037-886a47e158a41b5; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:17:08 -0400 References: <003901c7b793$216cc340$d503fea9@stodd> <002101c889e2$5b870a50$980110ac@jburgan> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:17:08 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <002101c889e2$5b870a50$980110ac@jburgan> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35304-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by mblk-d50.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.234) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:17:08 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA580493DB2C9C-13C0-17F2@mblk-d50.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: More on KCJJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=yPcdsfWn1mOe8Ga9StVFxYRpVKw0FSjKDfow8Gnc87fTl8nXVupYpH4NG-iVXCYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shorter towers result in higher azimuth radiation angles which result in a closer return of the skywave.? Someone mentioned 1630 khz is approaching shortwave.? I know with an adequate antenna, 1 kW goes a good distance on 160 meters. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From badeditpro@comcast.net Wed Mar 19 14:15:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: badeditpro@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26152 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2008 21:15:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2008 21:15:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.62.56) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2008 21:15:14 -0000 X-Received: from OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 38T31Z00P0bG4ec5606n00; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:14:17 +0000 X-Received: from joeandlynn ([71.62.246.80]) by OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 39F31Z00F1koVkf3P00000; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:15:04 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9iVsaT0DwjZmLxKg1UYA:9 a=HVmid7BjqiGIIRrLs-gA:7 a=pQ-lFtkJqPvvmEsBmlB8UD_so2wA:4 a=3I_whO4B8K8A:10 a=Xra0X3lUYJvQBpcko9MA:9 a=k0bC_u7wdPEUPxIx1MkA:7 a=lv41xd5Ca2OLahR6vURw4OavclwA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Message-ID: <001301c88a06$4cf9b810$50f63e47@joeandlynn> To: "AM Stereo Forum" Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:15:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 76.96.62.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joe Collins" Subject: Orban's Optimod X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=294947950; y=syRe_QEDdUvhaT8tpbuIJG5VY0eKC_GNx0_A7svm11nuVDT93qTK--_K3ff4 X-Yahoo-Profile: badeditproductions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a quick note.... The first Orban Optimod-FM 8000/A is a wide-band process much like the CBS Audimax with the addition of a high frequency limiter, clipper and stereo generator all in one box. Orban's approach to compression was totally different from the CBS design, though. Orban used no gate and only about seven dB of gain reduction in the 8000. CBS used a freeze gate with a 'return to zero' function that meant you had to run an Audimax at an average 10 dB of gain reduction at all times. When Orban came out with the 8100/A they switched to a two- band compressor followed by a high frequency limiter and a much more aggressive distortion canceling clipper. The six-band limiter was a field strapable add-on that came later. I have always felt that the original 8000 sounds much, much better than anything they have come out with since. Stick a CRL SPP-800 in front of an 8000 and you will achieve Audio Nirvana.... Just don't expect to be the loudest thing on the dial... Clean trumps loud in my book any day. SImple is good! :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Mar 19 15:08:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53813 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2008 22:08:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2008 22:08:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.227) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2008 22:08:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 86003 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Mar 2008 22:08:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OOane7YVM1kHEyoVmtfTsy3SSzpIU8tsOhwG0e2f X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:08:48 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:08:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001301c88a06$4cf9b810$50f63e47@joeandlynn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <613382.70865.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Orban's Optimod X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=3qpGOxVMLnfd8OZyICwQqFLLxZViZmZPoLmRA5Hk_oq5XpmHTH3d X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Funny you mention that. I own an 8000. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 Joe Collins wrote: Just a quick note.... The first Orban Optimod-FM 8000/A is a wide-band process much like the CBS Audimax with the addition of a high frequency limiter, clipper and stereo generator all in one box. Orban's approach to compression was totally different from the CBS design, though. Orban used no gate and only about seven dB of gain reduction in the 8000. CBS used a freeze gate with a 'return to zero' function that meant you had to run an Audimax at an average 10 dB of gain reduction at all times. When Orban came out with the 8100/A they switched to a two- band compressor followed by a high frequency limiter and a much more aggressive distortion canceling clipper. The six-band limiter was a field strapable add-on that came later. I have always felt that the original 8000 sounds much, much better than anything they have come out with since. Stick a CRL SPP-800 in front of an 8000 and you will achieve Audio Nirvana.... Just don't expect to be the loudest thing on the dial... Clean trumps loud in my book any day. SImple is good! :) JC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Mar 19 17:20:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70510 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2008 00:20:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2008 00:20:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2008 00:20:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82404 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Mar 2008 00:20:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mo0dRrsVM1mo17ZdMBPsUHL7NCDWcD4Z6uGPcQgbW8tw0MM9PP5R8jwI4RAXFvg1CMvVRzxmJvyNZhFq5OvZbAXDsnz.l0xmYqteu55DpjLqTqHQZBM- X-Received: from [69.47.225.108] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:20:08 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:20:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001301c88a06$4cf9b810$50f63e47@joeandlynn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <544197.79157.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Orban's Optimod X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=BnZbJ4fI-Uz5TRXQYmjdokofWpPD-Hjc97RTs7Q__8QvYg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I agree, clean DOES trump loud! But I reckon it is a trade-off. You have to keep the quieter parts above not only the electronic noise floor, but also the environmental ones. When I record a minidisc for playback in the car, I tend to process a bit heavier, to keep the music above tire noise, wind, etc., but try to leave it sounding natural. There is a happy medium...I like a station to sound bold and powerful, like a lot of the big guys did in the 70s, but it is crazy to keep pursuing the theoretical 0.63 peak/avg. ratio limit. Maybe somebody should build a box with just a water-cooled clipper and 100-pole LP filter? BTW, what was that awful device Radio Moscow used to use on their shortwave broadcasts? Talk about loud and nasty! I picture two big diodes across the program bus, with no LPF...it was REALLY gross. George --- Joe Collins wrote: > Just a quick note.... The first Orban Optimod-FM > 8000/A is a wide-band process much like the CBS > Audimax with the addition of a high frequency > limiter, clipper and stereo generator all in one > box. Orban's approach to compression was totally > different from the CBS design, though. Orban used > no gate and only about seven dB of gain reduction in > the 8000. CBS used a freeze gate with a 'return to > zero' function that meant you had to run an Audimax > at an average 10 dB of gain reduction at all times. > When Orban came out with the 8100/A they switched to > a two- band compressor followed by a high frequency > limiter and a much more aggressive distortion > canceling clipper. The six-band limiter was a field > strapable add-on that came later. I have always > felt that the original 8000 sounds much, much better > than anything they have come out with since. Stick > a CRL SPP-800 in front of an 8000 and you will > achieve Audio Nirvana.... Just don't expect to be > the loudest thing on the dial... Clean trumps loud > in my book any day. SImple is good! > > :) > > JC > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Mar 20 07:29:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51573 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2008 14:29:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2008 14:29:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2008 14:29:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 40656 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Mar 2008 14:29:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pHAj58AVM1keybqmUnKLBgayFOsdv8vSdbOqJZRd43O1jmjUduRB_ZXZIDaU8IAskg-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:29:05 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:29:05 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <548522.40429.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Mar 22 09:28:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96154 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2008 16:28:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2008 16:28:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2008 16:28:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15023 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Mar 2008 16:28:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zEaehK0VM1k1fOalaLCihf66x1jS881TXw5xTC9.GiK0CVHOrydvj103zn6Zu2R74Ao7_KsUz5r0LuJVov3BdA0fDU3uyUCaLilSNWtGH9gYebo- X-Received: from [72.241.177.103] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:28:30 PDT Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <997330.13501.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Possum Hunter, CQ, CQ. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=fNA3ieU1ThJY-NEup8fYJ4V-wZnUURHN4tqNbyo-QnGB4B1HHT4qdhs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Paging Possum Hunter - are you out there? They're looking for you at the new B.I. music group. Want me to forward your email address to Jim? John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Mar 22 14:54:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48640 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2008 21:54:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2008 21:54:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.183) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2008 21:54:13 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so2413112pye.8 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:54:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.35.26.14 with SMTP id d14mr5375873pyj.58.1206222853341; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from wildbpp09meyrl ( [4.152.255.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n27sm6149942pyh.11.2008.03.22.14.54.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00c301c88c67$427eb760$80ff9804@wildbpp09meyrl> To: References: <997330.13501.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:54:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Possum Hunter, CQ, CQ. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=h3sioIU0ftcOUlVdZC_Lk6gmtaoOC8hYaobaiH8AVYIuVYSc7QU8o1QTteW8jA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John P. wrote: > Paging Possum Hunter - are you out there? Yea, I was doing some re-locating back to South Carolina. > > They're looking for you at the new B.I. music group. I am on it. LOL Possum From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Mar 22 23:44:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86300 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2008 06:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2008 06:43:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2008 06:43:30 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c1a.349239d4 (48576) for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 02:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 02:43:34 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Floods X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=88ikRMAYSvLTMeKHK7viEh_Dd-SaOMn_9FqZBFHKWd085sdz3E2AG2xf7OqJFJO9 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I took a look with a pair of binoculars at my antenna test site which is now under about 30 or so feet of Meramec river water. Ordinarily, the Meramec is a gentle floating and recreational stream which almost disappears in the summer. The copper grounding rods go down 2 meters, so they should be alright if I can find them in the muck. The small surveying flags that marked them must be long since gone. Other than that, nothing is lost and the ground should have some really great conductivity. Hope everyone is safe and dry. ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Mar 26 18:49:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21139 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2008 01:49:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2008 01:49:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2008 01:49:11 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d30.294f316e (37167) for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:48:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from mblk-d32 (mblk-d32.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.216]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA046-912f47eafcf92eb; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:48:42 -0400 References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:48:42 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35304-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by mblk-d32.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.216) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:48:42 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA5DC3D165F9FF-760-21A8@mblk-d32.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Gates CB-500 16-inch Transcription Turntable on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=xAGCmkjjHKHdRKPeJNRmgVULYhDxyWj0uvObm2py26UMiZjQD7V7zBNQsIjD6tVk X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I came across a Gates turntable on eBay.? It's one of the genuine Gates hub-drive units.? Only around $150. I don't know if anyone still makes parts for these, especially the rubber ones that are subject to wear. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Mar 26 19:40:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32682 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2008 02:40:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2008 02:40:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2008 02:40:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 86143 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Mar 2008 02:40:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CkefK9IVM1nx54FoeV_rz0Pc5kI54__gxL2VH4IHzwlfpG5yMeznWkzmZ7uwFAYib1cQKArz6w-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.108] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:40:24 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:40:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA5DC3D165F9FF-760-21A8@mblk-d32.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <589897.85955.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gates CB-500 16-inch Transcription Turntable on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=nuooc5TLhSvroo8vAft3Nqht6EmfhQ4nXOgokVwfm2g X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I came across a Gates turntable on eBay.? It's one > of the genuine Gates hub-drive units.? Only around > $150. > > I don't know if anyone still makes parts for these, > especially the rubber ones that are subject to wear. I doubt it. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 18:52:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48116 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2008 01:52:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2008 01:52:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2008 01:52:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5458 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Mar 2008 01:52:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FuvLx5oVM1m2GGaq3rf0iD7ozhb5pmdNvWdPuYPWKMpqAYiTg0qvrsFP1GSB1jD75pbi10_t19VebCnv4RIgCHUgpHb5HhJd9B3Zrp8oVOqbYRQC2vo- X-Received: from [24.192.178.217] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:52:10 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:52:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <589897.85955.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <297618.4690.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gates CB-500 16-inch Transcription Turntable on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=6Lncqi0GHkRJy9orslMF9CZxM7wxMK28GE9BI-5WSB7tyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 This was a few years ago, but the salesman at Harris told me there is a guy in Florida who rebuilds the idler wheels for broadcast tables. Now if I can just remember his name, I'll post it. George --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > I came across a Gates turntable on eBay.? It's one > > of the genuine Gates hub-drive units.? Only around > > $150. > > > > I don't know if anyone still makes parts for > these, > > especially the rubber ones that are subject to > wear. > > > I doubt it. > > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Mar 28 16:05:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36839 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2008 23:05:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2008 23:05:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2008 23:05:12 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.221] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080328180504101934400011> for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:05:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002f01c89128$65c6b5e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <297618.4690.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:05:04 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gates CB-500 16-inch Transcription Turntable on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=gVEna2p3sDTXio1VdKyASG7snxO3u_DhEoALsk5tdDrsWsFnxc26 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd appreciate that. Got a number of these turntables over the years. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com This was a few years ago, but the salesman at Harris told me there is a guy in Florida who rebuilds the idler wheels for broadcast tables. Now if I can just remember his name, I'll post it. George --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 14:49:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37493 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2008 21:49:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2008 21:49:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.144) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2008 21:49:57 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 21:49:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 21:49:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2008 21:49:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:49:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002f01c89128$65c6b5e0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.23.55 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gates CB-500 16-inch Transcription Turntable on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=mxDMECtysj-4wllhnZjugeoaLHdhPkrK8TFUPXXV_zDJhh4W X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Somebody must be fixing them, as alot of OTR and other radio programs are still being discovered and transferred. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 17:44:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49857 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2008 00:43:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2008 00:43:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2008 00:43:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58010 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2008 00:43:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GF1p9QwVM1lDdwRNju1HJZmC4j2AQzcvxwut8oytAENoPXona0WVq0UXzto9B0cjmz8omydfnA-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.103] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:43:58 PDT Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:43:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <991329.57774.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gates CB-500 16-inch Transcription Turntable on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=nOq6-we_6XcJKvKiViuBsCGFxGd_rZfytgk6MLf0HJs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW There's not much to break and the Gates CB series actually was quiter than the Russco (and others) that were identical and the rubber on the Gates held up much better. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Mar 29 18:45:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27857 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2008 01:45:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2008 01:45:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2008 01:45:21 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c69.26e19fa5 (14467) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:44:54 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gates CB-500 16-inch Transcription Turntable on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=VxYFRxULUfGUFrOwrwE5gT-eJWQEn3qkCgtp6_wBHAv4mv49r52eHbuZQvviWW-f X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Gates CB-500 was a great piece of gear. Unlike the competition, they were hub driven. The rumble produced by the idler wheel was transmitted across the hub, outside of the record grooves, rather than from the platter rim across the entire platter. These turntables had massive motors to get the platters up to speed on a power cue. If you listened closely from underneath, you could hear the idler burn rubber against the hub. Robust would be an understatement for these turntables. With PM, which was minimum, these turnables would last forever. The only thing they needed were new felts weekly (station policy to protect the vinyl), replacing the rubber wear parts periodically, and power switch if it was used for power cueing. The problem might be the rubber parts. You can machine the mechanical parts which only need replacement if they are missing. However, I would not have a guess about the rubber parts. The irony is I threw many away had many hours of use still left on them. The PM schedule called for them to be replaced, so they were. The rotation was all on carts, so they got little use. X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46973 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2008 01:57:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2008 01:57:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2008 01:57:31 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d32.2901da90 (14467) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:57:24 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gates CB-500 16-inch Transcription Turntable on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=KCmO9uV11gBTk7S4v476rGM0fKjLgejMPoF07mG_5S2PMbYHbVK-smNA9T20Jv6T X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/29/08 3:50:32 PM Central Standard Time, amymousie@yahoo.com writes: > Somebody must be fixing them, as alot of OTR and other radio programs > are still being discovered and transferred. > It was my experience that major market stations had PM schedules that called for replacing the rubber parts on short intervals. Surely someone saved the discards if nothing else. Also, someone must have bought the Gates tooling when these units were discontinued. Mike ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15& ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 11:01:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9060 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2008 18:01:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2008 18:01:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2008 18:01:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 35027 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2008 18:01:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: D9vJ3cMVM1lQsp5syodz8nZB7yvYtqYR9y_Z.lcCSmdDNvW8UA_Lt_RWqEhwPwMIlH.sECutig-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.69] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:01:43 PDT Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:01:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <571234.31272.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gates CB-500 16-inch Transcription Turntable on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=4a8zfSZ_amk01o2HkzCinNj2Eh2G5bm8xHOQ3bUWasY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > These turntables had massive motors to get the > platters up to speed on a > power cue. If you listened closely from underneath, > you could hear the idler burn > rubber against the hub. Robust would be an > understatement for these > turntables. If you just turned the turntable on you and had the pot up you would get a low frequency thump. On those you could slip cue and the turntable would turn and you could hold the 45 still. If you were good you could flip switch and start the whole shebang with the pot down and have a tight board. > With PM, which was minimum, these turnables would > last forever. The only > thing they needed were new felts weekly (station > policy to protect the vinyl), > replacing the rubber wear parts periodically, and > power switch if it was used > for power cueing. I have NEVER seen one of those mercury switches fail. Yes, you could break the rocker if you were destructive. Changing the felt at WKDK was not done weekly, but when needed as it was a major pain. powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Mar 30 21:48:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75270 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2008 04:48:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2008 04:48:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2008 04:48:35 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d15.1f2ec437 (42809) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:48:25 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Gates CB-500 16-inch Transcription Turntable on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=TmV6Ed566DGESGB1NgLB9gVGONqB8GRwM9a1Ei2_LlsPrBROIHhsF0W5Ri-_SFgf X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The power cueing was not done with intregal mercury switches. The station had mercury relay switching scheme on the power and bus connection. The turntable power control keys were just about the console. One relay bridged the intregal switch on the turntable and while another momentarily interrupted the connection between the pot and bus selector at the same time for a fraction of a second. In principle, the system muted the turntable channel during spinup and the start cue with up with the cart machines. Great idea, no so great implementation. Sometimes the latch relay would drop out and the muted relay would trigger on its own for no apparent reason. The circuit used a pair of 2050 tubes. The old hands never used it. They always slip-cued. On that board, you had to pot up from the cue position on the pot anyway. The felt PM was a dictate of the Program Director. They treated the old vinyl in the libary like gold. The story was something got imbedded in a felt that went unnoticed and damaged an a record during a slip-cue. Even though it was the flip-side, the guy went nuts. Mike ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15& ncid=aolhom00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Apr 03 15:44:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64554 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2008 22:44:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2008 22:44:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-0708.google.com) (64.233.178.249) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2008 22:44:15 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 23so3453485hsn.12 for ; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:44:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.138.16 with SMTP id l16mr832287and.119.1207262654911; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:44:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80804031544r1cca4eadqd936ab27b169df14@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:44:14 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=TBmkvHGSW9jax4Z-yFn6jucM6gMKBboHF35c6UqpnpsHpPXZrvzA6qPY X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone here awake? -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.theradiogod.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Thu Apr 03 16:19:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82995 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2008 23:19:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2008 23:19:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.146) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2008 23:19:27 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2008 23:19:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2008 23:19:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2008 23:19:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:19:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80804031544r1cca4eadqd936ab27b169df14@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.202.125.223 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=jBwR37zE_9sBjYyc05JUaux9bM9uGzT0-hszhoJrhFk X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Zzzzzzz.... umm=20 and you have to wake us up? what time is it?=20 Ohhh no! going to sleep a bit longer....=20 zzzzzz...=20 :)=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 wrote: > > Anyone here awake? >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > http://www.realradiousa.com > http://www.theradiogod.com > http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > walkerbroadcasting@... >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Apr 03 17:19:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68386 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 00:18:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 00:18:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu139-omc1-s4.blu139.hotmail.com) (65.55.175.144) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 00:18:58 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W33 ([65.55.162.182]) by blu139-omc1-s4.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:09:42 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 00:09:42 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80804031544r1cca4eadqd936ab27b169df14@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bce0fe80804031544r1cca4eadqd936ab27b169df14@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2008 00:09:42.0763 (UTC) FILETIME=[2EA5D3B0:01C895E8] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.175.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=A1-jgR1qcdsin5MOcwOF9WoEixR9fcV68WI4tmSQ3PWAmxG7qP0-9Zqa30s X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings Paul and Sotiris! It's not so quiet here with the daytime and night-time sideband hash of Radio Disney out of St. Petersburg, it completely wipes out 1360 - 1400 here during the day and at night wipes out 1360 - 1390. I had sent an offline email to you (Paul) earlier about this; but I may not have used the correct email address. Also a local 1450 in Sarasota is now IBOC as well, I was under the impression that the "local channels/graveyard channels" were not likely to use IBOC. Another local station here uses IBOC during the day and they must have had a satellite failure, as there was nothing but dead air for at least 12 minutes, but the sideband hash was still going strong from 800 - 840 during their "dead air" fiesta. Salem's 1360 (WKAT)out of Miami Beach has upgraded their power and I was able to receive them for the first time in St. Pete until Radio Disney resumed IBOC 24/7. All other stations in this area that are IBOC are only IBOC during the day. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.comDate: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:44:14 -0400Subject: {AMSF} it's quiet.... Anyone here awake?-- Sincerely,Paul B. Walker, Jr.http://www.realradiousa.comhttp://www.theradiogod.comhttp://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcastingwalkerbroadcasting@gmail.com[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Apr 03 17:22:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35364 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 00:22:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 00:22:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 00:22:35 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.97] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080403192204101245000010> for ; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:22:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004201c895ea$2f0fa720$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <8bce0fe80804031544r1cca4eadqd936ab27b169df14@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:22:04 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=1ZdfV-HIphjFx1DftqwetFhYSPOWNsI16ljbTmCd3PQzl-8IMnTI X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It gets that way every once in awhile. I wouldn't panic. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Anyone here awake? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Thu Apr 03 17:28:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73469 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 00:28:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 00:28:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s34.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.106) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 00:28:35 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.23]) by bay0-omc1-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:28:35 -0700 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:28:35 -0700 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.5 by BAY131-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:28:35 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:28:34 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2008 00:28:35.0917 (UTC) FILETIME=[D20F67D0:01C895EA] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.106 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=sLqW9chzUxyR8BoqAuKoJeMShc6aE_QJ3nsCymh6SmaAYw8yKCUnut_nSg X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ could i pleeze snooze a bit longer was having a dream all the big 50kw blow torches turned the stereo on and started playing music until i realized it was a dream. -----Original Message----- From: Sotiris Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2008 7:19 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: it's quiet.... Zzzzzzz.... umm and you have to wake us up? what time is it? Ohhh no! going to sleep a bit longer.... zzzzzz... :) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > > Anyone here awake? > > > > -- > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > http://www.realradiousa.com > http://www.theradiogod.com > http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > walkerbroadcasting@... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Apr 03 17:33:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83874 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 00:33:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 00:33:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-0708.google.com) (64.233.178.248) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 00:33:29 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 55so2754766hsc.10 for ; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:33:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.251.8 with SMTP id y8mr1143558anh.76.1207269208764; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from wildbpp09meyrl ( [4.255.210.27]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q26sm7042049ele.0.2008.04.03.17.33.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <020901c895eb$7a977aa0$1bd2ff04@wildbpp09meyrl> To: References: <8bce0fe80804031544r1cca4eadqd936ab27b169df14@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 20:33:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=uCiBtw_W4KRqCYgGi-MTfSr5rO92X8BMqhS13qY6K-p9fElraR6MF4u1IaBIfg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > Anyone here awake? No AM Stereo to listen to at my location in Upstate South Carolina...let's convert WABV. I will do the Engineering. Kevin - Upstate SC From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Apr 03 17:49:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53867 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 00:49:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 00:49:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ag-out-0708.google.com) (72.14.246.240) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 00:49:06 -0000 X-Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 31so3577485agc.3 for ; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:49:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.247.14 with SMTP id u14mr137188anh.18.1207270145686; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:49:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80804031749h57905dd1k47c5fcaa960ce4f9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 20:49:05 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <020901c895eb$7a977aa0$1bd2ff04@wildbpp09meyrl> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80804031544r1cca4eadqd936ab27b169df14@mail.gmail.com> <020901c895eb$7a977aa0$1bd2ff04@wildbpp09meyrl> X-Originating-IP: 72.14.246.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=QKerySbsS8gn5h0Pi7lGgwvxFJ2hZk23nvLmjKZwDzG2To61OvgVmi7R X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are you paying for the stereo equipment too? ;=) Paul On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > > Anyone here awake? > > No AM Stereo to listen to at my location in Upstate South Carolina...let's > > convert WABV. I will do the Engineering. > > Kevin - Upstate SC > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.theradiogod.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Apr 03 17:51:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57605 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 00:51:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 00:51:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ag-out-0708.google.com) (72.14.246.245) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 00:51:17 -0000 X-Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 35so208128aga.11 for ; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:51:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.251.5 with SMTP id y5mr1204638anh.56.1207270274578; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:51:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80804031751v686044d5o6f8583ff077019ae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 20:51:14 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80804031544r1cca4eadqd936ab27b169df14@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 72.14.246.245 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=mqr4_U5EL2XZUJ-JwqtjGa_2bskaZYwxZRSqwArZNqK3i77fZ97_cN4N X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Donn: I did get the email and forwarded it onto my friends in Avon Park, FL at the 1390 there. WKAT went from 5KW Day, 1 KW Night Non Directional to 50KW Day/5KW Night, 5 towers with a day pattern thats kinda North/South with a huge lobe cover Most of Miami and a small lobe to the SW by day... and basically the same at night, but a bigger lobe due south. Paul Walker www.realradiousa.com On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Greetings Paul and Sotiris! > > It's not so quiet here with the daytime and night-time sideband hash of > Radio Disney out of St. Petersburg, it completely wipes out 1360 - 1400 here > during the day and at night wipes out 1360 - 1390. > > I had sent an offline email to you (Paul) earlier about this; but I may > not have used the correct email address. > > Also a local 1450 in Sarasota is now IBOC as well, I was under the > impression that the "local channels/graveyard channels" were not likely to > use IBOC. > > Another local station here uses IBOC during the day and they must have had > a satellite failure, as there was nothing but dead air for at least 12 > minutes, but the sideband hash was still going strong from 800 - 840 during > their "dead air" fiesta. > > Salem's 1360 (WKAT)out of Miami Beach has upgraded their power and I was > able to receive them for the first time in St. Pete until Radio Disney > resumed IBOC 24/7. > > All other stations in this area that are IBOC are only IBOC during the > day. > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: > walkerbroadcasting@gmail.comDate : > Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:44:14 -0400Subject: {AMSF} it's quiet.... > > Anyone here awake?-- Sincerely,Paul B. Walker, > Jr.http://www.realradiousa.comhttp://www.theradiogod.comhttp://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcastingwalkerbroadcasting@gmail.com[Non-text > portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.theradiogod.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Apr 03 18:54:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24419 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 01:54:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 01:54:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-0708.google.com) (64.233.178.240) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 01:54:09 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id j58so436350hsj.6 for ; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:54:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.214.16 with SMTP id m16mr1297303ang.101.1207274048632; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from wildbpp09meyrl ( [4.255.210.27]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c29sm7159551elf.9.2008.04.03.18.54.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <02da01c895f6$c2046320$1bd2ff04@wildbpp09meyrl> To: References: <8bce0fe80804031544r1cca4eadqd936ab27b169df14@mail.gmail.com> <020901c895eb$7a977aa0$1bd2ff04@wildbpp09meyrl> <8bce0fe80804031749h57905dd1k47c5fcaa960ce4f9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 21:54:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Possum Hunter" Subject: Re: {AMSF} it's quiet.... 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Walker, Jr. wrote: > Are you paying for the stereo equipment too? ;=) No, but I got a New-In-Box Metro AM Stereo Converter I will put in my Van to listen to WABV in Stereo Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Apr 03 19:00:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28984 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 02:00:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 02:00:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 02:00:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 65122 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Apr 2008 02:00:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NQT7oNEVM1mH_hr1hiMGG1qUSXDOD1VceHUVreU4Dhxad5S1D1YZJw8ug6aeFR0JXDwxXVGIRh8iHoOTOoRy4QlgCu8sPj.T6aOmGrCUZoYXJMnuRqI- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:00:22 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:00:22 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <962178.58671.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: RE: {AMSF} it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=5HukVjmmykD1QKJKHbuxnNVD1vZRCEsahxei0UezfcgDTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 IBOC=Insidious Buzzing Obnoxious Crap! And if I'm elected president, ladies and gentlemen, the law will be: All stations will be analog only, with no phase modulation allowed EXCEPT for the conveyance of stereophonic content, and all must conform to the FULL NRSC curve. All receiver manufacturers will be required to offer full bandwidth with direct-conversion ("zero-IF") synchronous detection! Can I get an "amen"...or a vote? Now back to the land of the fickle ferrite functions... G. --- Donn Tillman wrote: > Greetings Paul and Sotiris! > > It's not so quiet here with the daytime and > night-time sideband hash of Radio Disney out of St. > Petersburg, it completely wipes out 1360 - 1400 here > during the day and at night wipes out 1360 - 1390. > > I had sent an offline email to you (Paul) earlier > about this; but I may not have used the correct > email address. > > Also a local 1450 in Sarasota is now IBOC as well, I > was under the impression that the "local > channels/graveyard channels" were not likely to use > IBOC. > > Another local station here uses IBOC during the day > and they must have had a satellite failure, as there > was nothing but dead air for at least 12 minutes, > but the sideband hash was still going strong from > 800 - 840 during their "dead air" fiesta. > > Salem's 1360 (WKAT)out of Miami Beach has upgraded > their power and I was able to receive them for the > first time in St. Pete until Radio Disney resumed > IBOC 24/7. > > All other stations in this area that are IBOC are > only IBOC during the day. > > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: > walkerbroadcasting@gmail.comDate: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 > 18:44:14 -0400Subject: {AMSF} it's quiet.... > > > > > Anyone here awake?-- Sincerely,Paul B. Walker, > Jr.http://www.realradiousa.comhttp://www.theradiogod.comhttp://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcastingwalkerbroadcasting@gmail.com[Non-text > portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Apr 03 19:25:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39913 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 02:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 02:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu139-omc1-s12.blu139.hotmail.com) (65.55.175.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 02:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W46 ([65.55.162.183]) by blu139-omc1-s12.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:25:25 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 02:25:25 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80804031751v686044d5o6f8583ff077019ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bce0fe80804031544r1cca4eadqd936ab27b169df14@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80804031751v686044d5o6f8583ff077019ae@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2008 02:25:25.0514 (UTC) FILETIME=[241B06A0:01C895FB] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.175.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=RTxuBnhkr057OFRDfTrxkBgclU3Z5RP73cq4T7K_1BamIbGwp113TWo18D8 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Paul, I had noticed WKAT's CP about 6 months ago and according to the contour maps at www.Radio.locator.com, I was not expecting to be able to receive WKAT , but much to my surprise one evening while dx'ing in the car, I was receiving WKAT 1360 instead of the 1360 out of Cypress Gardens, then the next night it was still WKAT at night, then I tried about a week later and I noticed the IBOC hash had resumed both day and night; whereas before they had turned it off during the day (1380 Radio Disney) and at night it was erratic, some nights they had the IBOC on and some nights they didn't ..... but now Radio Disney is consistent, running it 24/7; not caring at all about interfering with any other stations. Donn To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.comDate: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 20:51:14 -0400Subject: Re: {AMSF} it's quiet.... Donn:I did get the email and forwarded it onto my friends in Avon Park, FL at the1390 there.WKAT went from 5KW Day, 1 KW Night Non Directional to 50KW Day/5KW Night, 5towers with a day pattern thats kinda North/South with a huge lobe coverMost of Miami and a small lobe to the SW by day... and basically the same atnight, but a bigger lobe due south.Paul Walkerwww.realradiousa.comOn Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Donn Tillman wrote:> Greetings Paul and Sotiris!>> It's not so quiet here with the daytime and night-time sideband hash of> Radio Disney out of St. Petersburg, it completely wipes out 1360 - 1400 here> during the day and at night wipes out 1360 - 1390.>> I had sent an offline email to you (Paul) earlier about this; but I may> not have used the correct email address.>> Also a local 1450 in Sarasota is now IBOC as well, I was under the> impression that the "local channels/graveyard channels" were not likely to> use IBOC.>> Another local station here uses IBOC during the day and they must have had> a satellite failure, as there was nothing but dead air for at least 12> minutes, but the sideband hash was still going strong from 800 - 840 during> their "dead air" fiesta.>> Salem's 1360 (WKAT)out of Miami Beach has upgraded their power and I was> able to receive them for the first time in St. Pete until Radio Disney> resumed IBOC 24/7.>> All other stations in this area that are IBOC are only IBOC during the> day.>> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom:> walkerbroadcasting@gmail.comDate :> Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:44:14 -0400Subject: {AMSF} it's quiet....>> Anyone here awake?-- Sincerely,Paul B. Walker,> Jr.http://www.realradiousa.comhttp://www.theradiogod.comhttp://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcastingwalkerbroadcasting@gmail.com[Non-text> portions of this message have been removed]>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>> >-- Sincerely,Paul B. Walker, Jr.http://www.realradiousa.comhttp://www.theradiogod.comhttp://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcastingwalkerbroadcasting@gmail.com[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Apr 03 19:30:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45189 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 02:30:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 02:30:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.243) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 02:30:07 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b15so900525ana.112 for ; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:30:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.105.15 with SMTP id d15mr1461006anc.32.1207276206754; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:30:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80804031930j2c1cdfefn3e858be741e9dd13@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 22:30:06 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80804031544r1cca4eadqd936ab27b169df14@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80804031751v686044d5o6f8583ff077019ae@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=fEOK2fk06C2YYd3NDN-wWCDqa2lB90hwhRNzOsovpylzZC3jPxYGoZYL X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My contact from WFHT is out of town and has other pressing matters so he hasn't been able to attend to anything there lately. WHNR 1360 Cypress Gardens/Haines City is being sold again. The guy, a spanish man, who bought it, owes lots of money and it's reverting back to the guy who sold it to him... who also still owes money on it. Paul Walker www.realradiousa.com On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Hi Paul, > > I had noticed WKAT's CP about 6 months ago and according to the contour > maps at www.Radio.locator.com , I was not > expecting to be able to receive WKAT , but much to my surprise one evening > while dx'ing in the car, I was receiving WKAT 1360 instead of the 1360 out > of Cypress Gardens, then the next night it was still WKAT at night, then I > tried about a week later and I noticed the IBOC hash had resumed both day > and night; whereas before they had turned it off during the day (1380 Radio > Disney) and at night it was erratic, some nights they had the IBOC on and > some nights they didn't ..... but now Radio Disney is consistent, running it > 24/7; not caring at all about interfering with any other stations. > > Donn > > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: > walkerbroadcasting@gmail.comDate : > Thu, 3 Apr 2008 20:51:14 -0400Subject: Re: {AMSF} it's quiet.... > > Donn:I did get the email and forwarded it onto my friends in Avon Park, FL > at the1390 there.WKAT went from 5KW Day, 1 KW Night Non Directional to 50KW > Day/5KW Night, 5towers with a day pattern thats kinda North/South with a > huge lobe coverMost of Miami and a small lobe to the SW by day... and > basically the same atnight, but a bigger lobe due south.Paul > Walkerwww.realradiousa.comOn Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Donn Tillman < > florida_amstereo@hotmail.com >wrote:> > Greetings Paul and Sotiris!>> It's not so quiet here with the daytime and > night-time sideband hash of> Radio Disney out of St. Petersburg, it > completely wipes out 1360 - 1400 here> during the day and at night wipes out > 1360 - 1390.>> I had sent an offline email to you (Paul) earlier about this; > but I may> not have used the correct email address.>> Also a local 1450 in > Sarasota is now IBOC as well, I was under the> impression that the "local > channels/graveyard channels" were not likely to> use IBOC.>> Another local > station here uses IBOC during the day and they must have had> a satellite > failure, as there was nothing but dead air for at least 12> minutes, but the > sideband hash was still going strong from 800 - 840 during> their "dead air" > fiesta.>> Salem's 1360 (WKAT)out of Miami Beach has upgraded their power and > I was> able to receive them for the first time in St. Pete until Radio > Disney> resumed IBOC 24/7.>> All other stations in this area that are IBOC > are only IBOC during the> day.>> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom:> > walkerbroadcasting@gmail.comDate :> Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:44:14 > -0400Subject: {AMSF} it's quiet....>> Anyone here awake?-- Sincerely,Paul B. > Walker,> > Jr.http://www.realradiousa.comhttp://www.theradiogod.comhttp://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcastingwalkerbroadcasting@gmail.com[Non-text> > portions of this message have been removed]>> [Non-text portions of this > message have been removed]>> >-- Sincerely,Paul B. Walker, > Jr.http://www.realradiousa.comhttp://www.theradiogod.comhttp://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcastingwalkerbroadcasting@gmail.com[Non-text > portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Thu Apr 03 19:50:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76922 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 02:50:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 02:50:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.142) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 02:50:09 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 02:50:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 02:50:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 02:50:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:50:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80804031930j2c1cdfefn3e858be741e9dd13@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.2.32.36 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=8WKEOvNKK6JleUD5X13sebAHdlywfmxY0RnTHnQt7nKJGpg X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane I heard that WKAT is sharing their transmitter site with WINZ. WKAT used to be on Miami Beach. They got out pretty well but the Metro has grown so much that they didn't reach some of Broward. Juan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > > My contact from WFHT is out of town and has other pressing matters so he > hasn't been able to attend to anything there lately. >=20 > WHNR 1360 Cypress Gardens/Haines City is being sold again. The guy, a > spanish man, who bought it, owes lots of money and it's reverting back to > the guy who sold it to him... who also still owes money on it. >=20 > Paul Walker > www.realradiousa.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Donn Tillman > wrote: >=20 > > Hi Paul, > > > > I had noticed WKAT's CP about 6 months ago and according to the contour > > maps at www.Radio.locator.com , I was not > > expecting to be able to receive WKAT , but much to my surprise one evening > > while dx'ing in the car, I was receiving WKAT 1360 instead of the 1360 out > > of Cypress Gardens, then the next night it was still WKAT at night, then I > > tried about a week later and I noticed the IBOC hash had resumed both day > > and night; whereas before they had turned it off during the day (1380 Radio > > Disney) and at night it was erratic, some nights they had the IBOC on and > > some nights they didn't ..... but now Radio Disney is consistent, running it > > 24/7; not caring at all about interfering with any other stations. > > > > Donn > > > > > > > > To: amstereoforum@...: > > walkerbroadcasting@... : > > Thu, 3 Apr 2008 20:51:14 -0400Subject: Re: {AMSF} it's quiet.... > > > > Donn:I did get the email and forwarded it onto my friends in Avon Park, FL > > at the1390 there.WKAT went from 5KW Day, 1 KW Night Non Directional to 50KW > > Day/5KW Night, 5towers with a day pattern thats kinda North/South with a > > huge lobe coverMost of Miami and a small lobe to the SW by day... and > > basically the same atnight, but a bigger lobe due south.Paul > > Walkerwww.realradiousa.comOn Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Donn Tillman < > > florida_amstereo@... >wrote:> > > Greetings Paul and Sotiris!>> It's not so quiet here with the daytime and > > night-time sideband hash of> Radio Disney out of St. Petersburg, it > > completely wipes out 1360 - 1400 here> during the day and at night wipes out > > 1360 - 1390.>> I had sent an offline email to you (Paul) earlier about this; > > but I may> not have used the correct email address.>> Also a local 1450 in > > Sarasota is now IBOC as well, I was under the> impression that the "local > > channels/graveyard channels" were not likely to> use IBOC.>> Another local > > station here uses IBOC during the day and they must have had> a satellite > > failure, as there was nothing but dead air for at least 12> minutes, but the > > sideband hash was still going strong from 800 - 840 during> their "dead air" > > fiesta.>> Salem's 1360 (WKAT)out of Miami Beach has upgraded their power and > > I was> able to receive them for the first time in St. Pete until Radio > > Disney> resumed IBOC 24/7.>> All other stations in this area that are IBOC > > are only IBOC during the> day.>> To: amstereoforum@...:> > > walkerbroadcasting@... :> Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:44:14 > > -0400Subject: {AMSF} it's quiet....>> Anyone here awake?-- Sincerely,Paul B. > > Walker,> > > Jr.http://www.realradiousa.comhttp://www.theradiogod.comhttp://www.myspace.= com/walkerbroadcastingwalkerbroadcasting@...[Non-text> > > portions of this message have been removed]>> [Non-text portions of this > > message have been removed]>> >-- Sincerely,Paul B. Walker, > > Jr.http://www.realradiousa.comhttp://www.theradiogod.comhttp://www.myspace.= com/walkerbroadcastingwalkerbroadcasting@...[Non-text > > portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Thu Apr 03 19:54:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91427 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 02:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 02:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.177) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 02:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 02:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 02:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 02:52:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:52:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80804031749h57905dd1k47c5fcaa960ce4f9@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.2.32.36 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: {AMSF} it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=K8-nBz-HQm3ODFVCYx00DhPsKs3KER46DQ-YE6x2DONqh_k X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > > Are you paying for the stereo equipment too? ;=3D) >=20 > Paul >=20 > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Possum Hunter > wrote: >=20 > > Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > > > Anyone here awake? > > > > No AM Stereo to listen to at my location in Upstate South Carolina...let's > > > > convert WABV. I will do the Engineering. > > > > Kevin - Upstate SC > > I am soon getting an AM Stereo Exciter....I'd be happy to donate it to "the cause". It does need some modifications. Heck, I don't want to make Paul too busy though....so help him out Kevin. Juan From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu Apr 03 19:57:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96165 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 02:55:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 02:55:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.245) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 02:55:27 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d33so1152885and.34 for ; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:55:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.251.13 with SMTP id y13mr1441963anh.97.1207277723724; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:55:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80804031955l6cb20f0as7a4106a3c01f6158@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 22:55:23 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80804031930j2c1cdfefn3e858be741e9dd13@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.245 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=Ye1M551aeCosbKH68UtH-QwXYK9dGrL6vXTb8sdfVcbdmw2wcXQqRarh X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A quickcheck of the co-ordinates for WKAT 1360's ne wCPshows they are sharing the WINZ tower site. -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.theradiogod.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Juan Gualda wrote: > I heard that WKAT is sharing their transmitter site with WINZ. > > WKAT used to be on Miami Beach. They got out pretty well but the Metro > has grown so much that they didn't reach some of Broward. > > Juan > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > wrote: > > > > My contact from WFHT is out of town and has other pressing matters so he > > hasn't been able to attend to anything there lately. > > > > WHNR 1360 Cypress Gardens/Haines City is being sold again. The guy, a > > spanish man, who bought it, owes lots of money and it's reverting > back to > > the guy who sold it to him... who also still owes money on it. > > > > Paul Walker > > www.realradiousa.com > > . > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Apr 03 21:04:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85002 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 04:04:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 04:04:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 04:04:36 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c9c.23414248 (39330) for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 00:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 00:04:31 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Pe-Ubfcn3ulfLYaDrG9IjksrKdtfslJ3pAC5tis4gC-nOajWfwlAn7UtYqmRhLfJ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/3/08 4:44:41 PM Central Standard Time, walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com writes: > Anyone here awake? > Yes. I think we need a bomb thrower to liven things up. Any thoughts on Randi Rhodes and Air America? Mike ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Thu Apr 03 23:46:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16124 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 06:46:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 06:46:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 06:46:24 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d0b.1e65cbbc (37095) for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 02:46:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from homeb29194fc77 (70-57-68-58.tukw.qwest.net [70.57.68.58]) by cia-db07.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB075-90e747f5ceab3b0; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:46:08 -0400 Message-ID: <004801c8961f$900d4340$6601a8c0@homeb29194fc77> To: References: <8bce0fe80804031544r1cca4eadqd936ab27b169df14@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 23:46:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 70.57.68.58 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=JwM0DMfd4xVNbw8BpqsaEiSVeZiED2A6t4nebIS7OV2XLZLg8Y72 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello am awake. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 3:44 PM Subject: {AMSF} it's quiet.... Anyone here awake? -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.theradiogod.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Thu Apr 03 23:46:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57607 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 06:46:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 06:46:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 06:46:45 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c3a.3047d7ed (37092) for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 02:46:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from homeb29194fc77 (70-57-68-58.tukw.qwest.net [70.57.68.58]) by cia-db07.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB072-90e447f5cebd22; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:46:24 -0400 Message-ID: <005001c8961f$991d0e70$6601a8c0@homeb29194fc77> To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 23:46:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 70.57.68.58 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=qgO2dism-S-uH6VW-v0lKTS7cnojalgs3sVndSao-fOqAyVSRzAU X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit its 3 am ----- Original Message ----- From: Sotiris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 4:19 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: it's quiet.... Zzzzzzz.... umm and you have to wake us up? what time is it? Ohhh no! going to sleep a bit longer.... zzzzzz... :) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > > Anyone here awake? > > > > -- > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > http://www.realradiousa.com > http://www.theradiogod.com > http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > walkerbroadcasting@... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimbo@burgan.net Fri Apr 04 05:27:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61705 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 12:27:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 12:27:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO flpi195.prodigy.net) (207.115.20.197) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 12:27:15 -0000 X-ORBL: [75.62.113.28] X-Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-75-62-113-28.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net [75.62.113.28]) by flpi195.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with SMTP id m34CRELS008125 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 05:27:14 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c8964f$3744d5e0$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: <8bce0fe80804031544r1cca4eadqd936ab27b169df14@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:27:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080404-0, 04/04/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.20.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=YBJz9KD7kS_nWEOFKRIWrwuZzANg79JNBbc1PKwszaEhkmw X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Anyone here awake? I was sleeping until you woke me up. Where did I put the Ambien...... From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Apr 04 05:58:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22918 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 12:57:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 12:57:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 12:57:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15221 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Apr 2008 12:57:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: cwpLICkVM1mA4s4gc0TN73pcdjoVrhn_kRdgTYRUR54DBhODLZufFazI_B.qt2_6Z_In7yH8lES_wcG5JgThcsk5AsT3xbxcgbFmpAd6gvT7LaXbzyFoR_ErHA-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 05:57:38 PDT Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 05:57:38 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <591825.13689.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=PigYGslr__ettbOGlNN_q-THAwfCmMFOcnQ50Df-ub2yUnm-87FrrMo X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio As they used to sing on Hee-Haw: "...Deep dark depression, excessive misery..." that's how I feel since AM STEREO CFCO transformed / degenerated from 60s/70s 'Classic Gold 630, CFCO' to 'Country 92.9' promoting their 250 watt POS FM translator over their 10KW C-Quam AM stereo system and becoming a hot country station. Crappy music - classic country would have been okay, but not this crap. Anyhow, the only, only, only bright spot is that they still are in AM stereo. ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Apr 04 16:14:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56766 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 23:14:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 23:14:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.165) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 23:14:05 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 23:14:05 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 23:14:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 23:14:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:14:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <591825.13689.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.165 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.23.55 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=8vrfygJVg8qCFEbEJsGfuxZfgV_rEFYMCWv23mr5yNSU_4U4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > As they used to sing on Hee-Haw: "...Deep dark depression, excessive > misery..." that's how I feel since AM STEREO CFCO transformed / > degenerated from 60s/70s 'Classic Gold 630, CFCO' to 'Country 92.9' > promoting their 250 watt POS FM translator over their 10KW C-Quam AM > stereo system and becoming a hot country station. Crappy music - > classic country would have been okay, but not this crap. Anyhow, the > only, only, only bright spot is that they still are in AM stereo.=20=20 A shame they don't take their cue from Calgary, Alberta's CKMX 1060, which IS Classic Country, and for a country station (which admittedly I'm not a big fan of country), it's quite listenable....and just about the only full-service AM stereo station audible here on the Pacific coast, providing as little interference as possible from the dulcet tones of the IBOC hash from 1050 and 1070 don't interfere.... Oh, well- they are on the internet, feeding their stream right off the mod mon! ...But satill not the same.... (I use ckmx1060.com, I think-- Been a while, though I did once extract the stream URL to play in my music players.... Been a while since I checked, though...) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ =20 From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Apr 04 16:15:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44398 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2008 23:15:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2008 23:15:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.250) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2008 23:15:19 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 23:15:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 23:15:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2008 23:15:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:15:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80804031544r1cca4eadqd936ab27b169df14@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.23.55 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=dZZaOyzQ17iZNrIISHpDXJsuIWJMbCcHFBe4Ul1YpwrGInfu X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > > Anyone here awake? Squirrels stole my undies, so I've been quiet. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From keith1226@yahoo.com Fri Apr 04 18:21:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96204 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2008 01:21:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2008 01:21:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.146) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2008 01:21:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34689 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2008 01:21:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rABiaDUVM1mQEvS6Z1bXf0Z75sqvS5mvOTU1ljo7bZDWkbS3iPadHvluk_AIOn8hFsAdZORFtpKO906zPB7M.FxXqKpS9JYTdpL9D_BxYgWBAw7QwW3ZLwBA865STdq_saN6.Eg790GIibUE.op5e6ci X-Received: from [63.164.145.198] by web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:21:17 PDT Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:21:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <682520.7503.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=73JioBOGx_A3nvRJlw9CTTFiMT_I0PqYfICs4ngsR1M2FHni X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 They do a really good bluegrass show one night a week--think it's Friday. Have to listen tonight and see. Keith B. in Seattle --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > > wrote: > > > > As they used to sing on Hee-Haw: "...Deep dark > depression, excessive > > misery..." that's how I feel since AM STEREO CFCO > transformed / > > degenerated from 60s/70s 'Classic Gold 630, CFCO' > to 'Country 92.9' > > promoting their 250 watt POS FM translator over > their 10KW C-Quam AM > > stereo system and becoming a hot country station. > Crappy music - > > classic country would have been okay, but not this > crap. Anyhow, the > > only, only, only bright spot is that they still > are in AM stereo. > > A shame they don't take their cue from Calgary, > Alberta's CKMX 1060, > which IS Classic Country, and for a country station > (which admittedly > I'm not a big fan of country), it's quite > listenable....and just about > the only full-service AM stereo station audible here > on the Pacific > coast, providing as little interference as possible > from the dulcet > tones of the IBOC hash from 1050 and 1070 don't > interfere.... > > Oh, well- they are on the internet, feeding their > stream right off the > mod mon! ...But satill not the same.... > > (I use ckmx1060.com, I think-- Been a while, though > I did once extract > the stream URL to play in my music players.... Been > a while since I > checked, though...) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Apr 04 19:16:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55666 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2008 02:15:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2008 02:15:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2008 02:15:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44105 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2008 02:15:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: u5ojxTQVM1m07Xl7nMdlz30_TGdsYLFuXYIIoqlLRKrTIW3qyRhLlqdRMkWgwwpvagfiHigohn.T78cyEIDipGjwMDNBgFhBmPOmJXKnViwSLfaE49c- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:15:51 PDT Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 19:15:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <591825.13689.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <699923.43474.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=EuG9_NXTDRYaf4tD0knXYpmXh3NK02qENkMC_EEl7vev-A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Well, at least they didn't go to all talk. Remember how many times stations went stereo, then began yakking? Only good stereo effect was the commercials! WJR, WLS, CKLW...too many to remember. George --- "John P." wrote: > As they used to sing on Hee-Haw: "...Deep dark > depression, excessive > misery..." that's how I feel since AM STEREO CFCO > transformed / > degenerated from 60s/70s 'Classic Gold 630, CFCO' to > 'Country 92.9' > promoting their 250 watt POS FM translator over > their 10KW C-Quam AM > stereo system and becoming a hot country station. > Crappy music - > classic country would have been okay, but not this > crap. Anyhow, the > only, only, only bright spot is that they still are > in AM stereo. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one > month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com > ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 04 23:57:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64587 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2008 06:57:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2008 06:57:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2008 06:57:08 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 06:57:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 06:57:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 06:57:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 06:57:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <699923.43474.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.146.23 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=bnoDSwPBJV5OM1uPleRj7anQnB5C3823PSaC6J92028ObYQ7nlTp7su1RK9F-abeKuPMd1GC X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > Well, at least they didn't go to all talk. Remember > how many times stations went stereo, then began > yakking? Only good stereo effect was the commercials! > WJR, WLS, CKLW...too many to remember. > George >=20 > --- "John P." wrote: >=20 > > As they used to sing on Hee-Haw: "...Deep dark > > depression, excessive > > misery..." that's how I feel since AM STEREO CFCO > > transformed / > > degenerated from 60s/70s 'Classic Gold 630, CFCO' to > > 'Country 92.9' > > promoting their 250 watt POS FM translator over > > their 10KW C-Quam AM > > stereo system and becoming a hot country station.=20 > > Crappy music - > > classic country would have been okay, but not this > > crap. Anyhow, the > > only, only, only bright spot is that they still are > > in AM stereo.=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > >=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one > > month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.=20=20 > > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of=20 Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.=20=20 > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com > Hi Very sad to me. The only day AM STEREO I can get now is my A.L.=20 that I got back from Chris Cuff. Jim Smith From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Apr 05 15:08:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26486 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2008 22:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2008 22:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.159) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2008 22:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 22:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 22:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 22:07:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:07:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.23.55 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=zOGOgialhab_ISIYJjlkSCqFyTgkbpsQD7x5s0bLHCTPxs_U X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > Hi Very sad to me. The only day AM STEREO I can get now is my A.L.=20 > that I got back from Chris Cuff. Jim Smith Sad but true- There're no stereo stations left in California, and only 2-3 carrier-only stations, mostly in the X-band, as far as I know. :( There might be one each in Oregon and Washington, but these, I think are low-power TXes. None at all in Nevada, and I certainly don't know of any in Arizona or Idaho. And the two stations I DO know of in Wyoming just can't be received out this way. There are one or two up in British Columbia, but are not really receivable at all down this way, with stronger stations elsewhere on the west coast blocking them. Won't get into the Mexico issue, since I know of none currently in the northwestern region of the country. What I would give for just ONE powerful AMS station on the west coast! Just ONE!! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Apr 05 15:42:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82823 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2008 22:41:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2008 22:41:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2008 22:41:54 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.55] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080405174147103113100010> for ; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 17:41:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004501c8976e$84b1ca20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 17:41:47 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ZBZb8qYYKVTHaXCCEn052-gJSdvdeSOtxNfPoxFAd3y1tSlcpM-8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unless this unit was built in the mid to late 90s it's probably due for some fresh electrolytics all the way through. Solid state equipment reliability is inversely proportional to the number of 'lytics used. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan Gualda To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I am soon getting an AM Stereo Exciter....I'd be happy to donate it to "the cause". It does need some modifications. Heck, I don't want to make Paul too busy though....so help him out Kevin. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Apr 05 15:49:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60654 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2008 22:49:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2008 22:49:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2008 22:49:10 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.55] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080405174903100827500010> for ; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 17:49:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009f01c8976f$88c476c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 17:49:03 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Ve4fIvqWSL-qbZB9xdySAeJfRaheaS-ZfDJabtL2iHG6gMLqcN8n X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Consider me surprised but pleased. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Anyone here awake? > Yes. I think we need a bomb thrower to liven things up. Any thoughts on Randi Rhodes and Air America? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Apr 05 23:14:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28819 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2008 06:14:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2008 06:14:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2008 06:14:43 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cf5.26f45b63 (39952) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 02:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 02:14:37 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=vlKaSnSQKnmBDprWHYSsuTjUjxYQ2XekEzCAN1aH9notX_jiLSIm8LDE_I3GWxFJ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am fortunate to live on the deep fringe of KCJJ. It is terrible to live in a large metropolitan area in the heart of America and the only stereo signal is 1 kW from a small Iowa college more than 200 miles away. I believe there should be sufficient Class 1A stations mandated to be AMS that at least one AMS should be listenable everywhere in the U.S. at night. I also think the FCC should enforce the X-band AMS mandate. There are at least a half dozen stations in St. Louis that are fully AMS capable with the flip of a switch. However, they don't want to take the modulation penalty for AMS. WLS must have the largest nightime footprint of any remaining AMS south of the Canadian border. Mike ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Apr 05 23:26:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82946 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2008 06:26:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2008 06:26:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2008 06:26:10 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ce3.2afd2c96 (39952) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 02:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 02:26:08 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=QLFYiM56xtMaTSTIRBgbwPHSGG6S7CsIF4ypkl5lElCN3HtJRk-NoT3JAKAF4veH X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The local station that carried Air America changed its format to sports, like the other 4, count'em 4, sports stations didn't have it covered in our market. There is no station day or night that reaches St. Louis that carries Air America. You would think AA would have at least a couple Class 1's. As for Randi Rhodes's comment, it did seem a little over the top. I despise Hillary, but the comment wasn't worth of Randi. The "B" word would have been much better and more accurate than the one she chose. In refering to Hillary and Geraldine as ho's, not only did Randi insult all those who serve in the world's oldest profession but it wasn't even accurate. Anyone knows the two of them couldn't come up with subway fare between working the streets. Mike ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Apr 05 23:39:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64605 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2008 06:39:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2008 06:39:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.243) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2008 06:39:27 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c37so195246anc.128 for ; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:39:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.133.1 with SMTP id g1mr2934559and.134.1207463966594; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:39:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:39:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80804052339r2435bfa6v2f16c68757f7e866@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 02:39:26 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=mRLij17mWdFmweKujfp1MmxAm3S559TW5y-b2_-OgZiq2KdjvtxxRt6q X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think ANY station should be FORCED/MNDATED to go AM Stereo. Paul On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 2:14 AM, wrote: > I am fortunate to live on the deep fringe of KCJJ. It is terrible to > live in > a large metropolitan area in the heart of America and the only stereo > signal > is 1 kW from a small Iowa college more than 200 miles away. > > I believe there should be sufficient Class 1A stations mandated to be AMS > that at least one AMS should be listenable everywhere in the U.S. at > night. I > also think the FCC should enforce the X-band AMS mandate. > > There are at least a half dozen stations in St. Louis that are fully AMS > capable with the flip of a switch. However, they don't want to take the > modulation penalty for AMS. > > WLS must have the largest nightime footprint of any remaining AMS south of > > the Canadian border. > > Mike > > ************** > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > > ( > http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016 > ) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.theradiogod.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Apr 05 23:46:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58456 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2008 06:46:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2008 06:46:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.250) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2008 06:46:23 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so212179anc.69 for ; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:46:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.19 with SMTP id g19mr7302356ana.44.1207464382967; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:46:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80804052346g4d803563q8d06055b27cdb290@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 02:46:22 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80804052339r2435bfa6v2f16c68757f7e866@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80804052339r2435bfa6v2f16c68757f7e866@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=TJ3r8W3Ih6SIsRNDu7Y_MNqZ5WcopnA6yvmqPvbrZl4apFbueg7KLBfv X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let me expand on that... I think MANDATING/FORCING a station to adopt technology and having listeners adapt to it is why different forms of technology failed. It's why, in part, HD is failing. WHy do you think AM Stereo should be mandated on stations? I mean, sure, it sounds better... but other then that, what's the reason? We considered going AM Stereo when I *thought* we would be getting a new transmitter, but we did not end up getting a new transmitter so I abandoned the AM Stereo idea. Why? A New solid state transmitter can have the AM Stereo capability BUILT in. I love AM Stereo as much as the next person, don't get me wrong. Paul On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 2:39 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. < walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think ANY station should be FORCED/MNDATED to go AM Stereo. > > Paul > > On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 2:14 AM, wrote: > > > I am fortunate to live on the deep fringe of KCJJ. It is terrible to > > live in > > a large metropolitan area in the heart of America and the only stereo > > signal > > is 1 kW from a small Iowa college more than 200 miles away. > > > > I believe there should be sufficient Class 1A stations mandated to be > > AMS > > that at least one AMS should be listenable everywhere in the U.S. at > > night. I > > also think the FCC should enforce the X-band AMS mandate. > > > > There are at least a half dozen stations in St. Louis that are fully AMS > > > > capable with the flip of a switch. However, they don't want to take the > > modulation penalty for AMS. > > > > WLS must have the largest nightime footprint of any remaining AMS south > > of > > the Canadian border. > > > > Mike > > > > ************** > > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > > > > ( > > http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016 > > ) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > -- > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > http://www.realradiousa.com > http://www.theradiogod.com > http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.theradiogod.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Apr 06 00:24:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34668 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2008 07:24:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2008 07:24:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.134) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2008 07:24:31 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n7.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2008 07:24:30 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2008 07:24:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2008 07:24:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 07:24:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.23.55 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=fAs3V3OFv9pBNRANx3EZnz-4MiftEvkh3XDiPjgI9J7yU3Dg X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I am fortunate to live on the deep fringe of KCJJ. It is terrible to live in=20 > a large metropolitan area in the heart of America and the only stereo signal=20 > is 1 kW from a small Iowa college more than 200 miles away. And what a signal- and reputation- they have! Too nad it doesn't reach out this gar west... > I believe there should be sufficient Class 1A stations mandated to be AMS=20 > that at least one AMS should be listenable everywhere in the U.S. at night. I=20 > also think the FCC should enforce the X-band AMS mandate. At the risk of repeating myself, THERE WAS NEVER AN AMS MANDATE FOR THE X-BAND! What they had was license preference if the broadcaster said they'll use AMS. THAT'S IT! > There are at least a half dozen stations in St. Louis that are fully AMS=20 > capable with the flip of a switch. However, they don't want to take the=20 > modulation penalty for AMS. What penalty? Unlike FM, there is NONE for AM stereo. > WLS must have the largest nightime footprint of any remaining AMS south of=20 > the Canadian border. Or WBAP (Dallas) or KCJJ...... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (If there were any AMS stations I wish I could receive on my 'A100 RIGHT NOW, it would be WNMB....but then, I love oldies... ;) ) From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Apr 06 02:12:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59413 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2008 09:12:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2008 09:12:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2008 09:12:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2008 09:12:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2008 09:12:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 09:12:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80804052346g4d803563q8d06055b27cdb290@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.40 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=4n4XdylqHiKZgjZ2FPdXR_pWsRElYYrnWVkyJ0qMzf1wjc1MeQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 wrote: > > Let me expand on that... >=20 > I think MANDATING/FORCING a station to adopt technology and having=20 listeners > adapt to it is why different forms of technology failed. It's why,=20 in part, > HD is failing. >=20 > WHy do you think AM Stereo should be mandated on stations? I mean,=20 sure, it > sounds better... but other then that, what's the reason? >=20 > We considered going AM Stereo when I *thought* we would be getting=20 a new > transmitter, but we did not end up getting a new transmitter so I=20 abandoned > the AM Stereo idea. Why? A New solid state transmitter can have=20 the AM > Stereo capability BUILT in. >=20 > I love AM Stereo as much as the next person, don't get me wrong. >=20 > Paul >=20 >=20 If you let me add something: Radio is a business. Everybody have to pay the bill, every month. None of the "new" technologies can assure us we will have enough=20 listeners to can "sold" your station (and to have enough money to=20 pay the bill). So, Why? and With what argument could you "force" a broadcaster to=20 change to a new "x" technology if he doesn't/they don't have enough=20 resources or if the today system works so fine to him/them? Of course, I love stereo sound and I want to have an AM Stereo=20 station here and I hope can get it soon, but... "business are=20 business", unfortunately. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Apr 06 08:51:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9947 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2008 15:50:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2008 15:50:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2008 15:50:39 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d5a.2451607d (39330) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:50:22 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=_81e7bBt2lDvz7hio59b6KmGKGaRJJFYDMLywkFZJBZd_5DGGUnmwZblvsbLbcjz X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/6/08 1:39:55 AM Central Daylight Time, walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com writes: > I don't think ANY station should be FORCED/MNDATED to go AM Stereo. > I disagree. They use the public bandwidth. They don't own it, it is licensed to them on condition. The FCC has mandated technical standards since Day 1. AM Stereo is no different that requiring a station to have a minimum audio bandwith, maximum allowable distortion, etc.. Just my opinion. Mike ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Apr 06 09:03:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63523 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2008 16:01:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2008 16:01:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2008 16:01:38 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c8c.1c5445a9 (39330) for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:00:37 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=aa2ApYCKXZKTVgsSg_LHWMGP5AtgEgG84pLh-caeqdPGg96m3BzFvQbtBS5xjztM X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/6/08 2:25:02 AM Central Daylight Time, amymousie@yahoo.com writes: > > WLS must have the largest nightime footprint of any remaining AMS > south of > > the Canadian border. > > Or WBAP (Dallas) or KCJJ...... > KCJJ has great signal coverage given its limitations, but it doesn't compare with WLS. 10 kW into a quarter wave at 1630 during the day doesn't match 50 kW into a half-wave at 890. Nor does 1 kW match 50 kW at night. Is WBAP AM Stereo? It comes in reasonably well at night here but I don't remember ever seeing an AM Stereo indication. What I would like to see is an AMS station here in St. Louis that would carry Air America during the day and Adult Contemporary at night. Mike ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Apr 06 12:31:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36178 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2008 19:31:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2008 19:31:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.240) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2008 19:31:29 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c38so266356ana.89 for ; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:31:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.213.4 with SMTP id l4mr8580141ang.71.1207510289310; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:31:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80804061231w31ce71a6le26e9ba1e7b48b91@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 15:31:29 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=o4nY3d6-yV9Sy9YAemYFPs4-bMa0YDdDIfw_ZLJpOH8_jGceKjPldK40 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AM Stereo may not cost much to impliment... but I can betcha a broadcaster will make almost no extra money by impolimenting it. Why force technology on a society which has had serious problems adapting HD Technology, for multiple reasons? ANd if you'd like a station that programs Air America By Day and Adult Comtemporary by night.. why don't you go and lease a station or buy one if you think it would work so well? Paul On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 4/6/08 2:25:02 AM Central Daylight Time, > amymousie@yahoo.com writes: > > KCJJ has great signal coverage given its limitations, but it doesn't > compare > with WLS. 10 kW into a quarter wave at 1630 during the day doesn't match > 50 > kW into a half-wave at 890. Nor does 1 kW match 50 kW at night. > > Is WBAP AM Stereo? It comes in reasonably well at night here but I don't > remember ever seeing an AM Stereo indication. > > What I would like to see is an AMS station here in St. Louis that would > carry > Air America during the day and Adult Contemporary at night. > > Mike > . > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Apr 06 13:19:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67666 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2008 20:19:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2008 20:19:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu139-omc1-s1.blu139.hotmail.com) (65.55.175.141) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2008 20:19:42 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W9 ([65.55.162.182]) by blu139-omc1-s1.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 6 Apr 2008 13:19:41 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 20:19:41 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80804061231w31ce71a6le26e9ba1e7b48b91@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bce0fe80804061231w31ce71a6le26e9ba1e7b48b91@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2008 20:19:41.0799 (UTC) FILETIME=[8BDF1770:01C89823] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.175.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: not quiet on the IBOC hash front X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=AKETOkAgV0fsY2YwjPuJJTMDiHfw-2aCfB97IteVacQGHArzsYgpmZqja_M X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Paul, Juan and others familiar with Florida radio. For the first time in several years, I was able to dx in the Lakeland area and also within the city limits of nearby Winter Haven yesterday. I have had a 2007 Corolla since December 2007 and I have to say that the radio filters out more of the sideband IBOC hash that my former auto. (1994 Plymouth Acclaim- {the worst car radio I have ever had} ); that being said even though the current car filters out more of the IBOC hash (is pretty much the same as my parents' 2003 Toyota Avalon's radio as far as filtering out the IBOC sideband noise), I still had interference from ClearChannels WHNZ (We Sell No Zebras -their flawed attempt at humor to get people to remember the call letters of their primarily infomercial station) 1250 interfered with WONN 1230, Lakeland as close in as 5 miles from the WONN transmitter site. Just west of the Winter Haven city limits (probably about 2 miles west of their western most city limits, Radio Disney satellite radio (no local programming period) 1380 out of St. Petersburg starting interfering with the 1360 out of Cypress Gardens/Winter Haven. So in addition to the station in Avon Park and 1400 in Zephyrhills, Radio Disney also cuts down the coverage of 1360 out of Cypress Gardens/Winter Haven as well. If either 1340 in West Palm or 1380 there turns on IBOC (or maybe they already have); that will sure wipe out any gains in WKAT's new 50,000 watt daytime signal in the northern half of Palm Beach county. Between IBOC, the constant Cuban interference and other man made interference (the new light bulbs, neighbor's TV satellite dishes, computers etc), AM listening is almost impossible except on the very strongest signals. (and even on some of the strongest AM signals, I can still hear the Cuban interference underneath during the day as well as at night - 570 and 860). donn, in the am stereo free zone of St. Petersburg ---- but plenty of IBOC hash. btw- seems to me there is or used to be someone on this list in the Lakeland area; if so...... do you or anyone else knows what the story is on the "alleged" AM 780 in Mulberry? It has been listed on radio-locator.com for at least 2 years as a 250 watt daytime only station; I have yet to be able to receive it, while in Mulberry and then yesterday I was within 4 miles of Mulberry and nothing on 780; the station doesn't have a website that I can locate, so there's no website explaining what is going on. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Apr 06 13:26:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30416 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2008 20:26:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2008 20:26:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.230) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2008 20:26:20 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i30so1101704wxd.2 for ; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 13:26:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.240.17 with SMTP id n17mr8705241anh.49.1207513579731; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 13:26:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 13:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80804061326y766d0fc5ve99d395cff7409cb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 16:26:19 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80804061231w31ce71a6le26e9ba1e7b48b91@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} not quiet on the IBOC hash front X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=dd5hznEOmEgKGt8wD4HeOap7wFUbu4bVUp9wgC93UoGQIVrptuwT4B_2 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WREY, 780 is to be a 250 Watt FULLTIME station with 3 towers being used day and night. It has been one of the longest running, yet unbilt AM CP's in recent memory. They've faced numerous challenges in getting the station on the air. ALL very legitimate issues and not just excsues. The original CP expired about a year or so ago but in trhe recent AM Window back in 2003, they filed again for a a "New WREY" and fought against an Application for June Park, FL and won. The fight was over what was more of a real town, had population, was a seperate community and would provide service. I was able to help prove through photos and a written report that June Park, FL was nothing more then a subdivision of West Melbourne, FL. The person who filed for 780 in June Park, FL owns The Big 810 WEUS Orlovista-Orlando, Carl Como Tutera. The station was reportedly running out of it's licensed pattern, but I have no way to prove that.. but I do know WEUS is for sale and has been from Day 1. 1400 WZHR in Zephyrhills has always had a shitty signal from what multiple people have told me, due in part to where the tower is located. Dave and Lola Wagonvoord aka Wagy Boy aka The Wagonwheels have never done much to the facility. Paul Walker www.realradiousa.com On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > > > Hi Paul, Juan and others familiar with Florida radio. > > For the first time in several years, I was able to dx in the Lakeland area > and also within the city limits of nearby Winter Haven yesterday. > > I have had a 2007 Corolla since December 2007 and I have to say that the > radio filters out more of the sideband IBOC hash that my former auto. (1994 > Plymouth Acclaim- {the worst car radio I have ever had} ); that being said > even though the current car filters out more of the IBOC hash (is pretty > much the same as my parents' 2003 Toyota Avalon's radio as far as filtering > out the IBOC sideband noise), I still had interference from ClearChannels > WHNZ (We Sell No Zebras -their flawed attempt at humor to get people to > remember the call letters of their primarily infomercial station) 1250 > interfered with WONN 1230, Lakeland as close in as 5 miles from the WONN > transmitter site. > > Just west of the Winter Haven city limits (probably about 2 miles west of > their western most city limits, Radio Disney satellite radio (no local > programming period) 1380 out of St. Petersburg starting interfering with the > 1360 out of Cypress Gardens/Winter Haven. So in addition to the station in > Avon Park and 1400 in Zephyrhills, Radio Disney also cuts down the coverage > of 1360 out of Cypress Gardens/Winter Haven as well. > > If either 1340 in West Palm or 1380 there turns on IBOC (or maybe they > already have); that will sure wipe out any gains in WKAT's new 50,000 watt > daytime signal in the northern half of Palm Beach county. > > Between IBOC, the constant Cuban interference and other man made > interference (the new light bulbs, neighbor's TV satellite dishes, computers > etc), AM listening is almost impossible except on the very strongest > signals. (and even on some of the strongest AM signals, I can still hear the > Cuban interference underneath during the day as well as at night - 570 and > 860). > > donn, > in the am stereo free zone of St. Petersburg ---- but plenty of IBOC hash. > > btw- seems to me there is or used to be someone on this list in the > Lakeland area; if so...... do you or anyone else knows what the story is on > the "alleged" AM 780 in Mulberry? It has been listed on radio-locator.comfor at least 2 years as a 250 watt daytime only station; I have yet to be > able to receive it, while in Mulberry and then yesterday I was within 4 > miles of Mulberry and nothing on 780; the station doesn't have a website > that I can locate, so there's no website explaining what is going on. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Apr 06 14:10:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27782 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2008 21:10:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2008 21:10:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu139-omc1-s18.blu139.hotmail.com) (65.55.175.158) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2008 21:10:41 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W38 ([65.55.162.182]) by blu139-omc1-s18.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:03:18 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 21:03:18 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80804061326y766d0fc5ve99d395cff7409cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bce0fe80804061231w31ce71a6le26e9ba1e7b48b91@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80804061326y766d0fc5ve99d395cff7409cb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2008 21:03:18.0010 (UTC) FILETIME=[A34135A0:01C89829] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.175.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} not quiet on the IBOC hash front X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=dwnZAqMl0_8vPahEOZaN3m5Vdglx5d0cmhgtLtb-8U0LYbym1B_C_ZJv2eA X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Paul for the info on WREY (I couldn't recall the call letters). (you're a fountainhead of information!) I guess I didn't remember all the CP details as far as night time operation. If WREY 780 has IBOC, that will cut down considerable the day time southern range of WLBE 790 in Leesburg,FL which has a fair to moderate signal in Lakeland and a relatively strong signal from Polk City north to Leesburg. At night it wouldn't matter as they(WLBE) reduce power and go to a more or less east to west signal pattern to protect Miami's WAXY and the Cuban 790 pretty well rules even just a few miles outside of Leesburg. Here I get a blend of WAXY and Cuba on 790 at night and a blend of WLBE and Cuba during the day. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.comDate: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 16:26:19 -0400Subject: Re: {AMSF} not quiet on the IBOC hash front WREY, 780 is to be a 250 Watt FULLTIME station with 3 towers being used dayand night.It has been one of the longest running, yet unbilt AM CP's in recent memory.They've faced numerous challenges in getting the station on the air. ALLvery legitimate issues and not just excsues.The original CP expired about a year or so ago but in trhe recent AM Windowback in 2003, they filed again for a a "New WREY" and fought against anApplication for June Park, FL and won.The fight was over what was more of a real town, had population, was aseperate community and would provide service. I was able to help provethrough photos and a written report that June Park, FL was nothing more thena subdivision of West Melbourne, FL.The person who filed for 780 in June Park, FL owns The Big 810 WEUSOrlovista-Orlando, Carl Como Tutera. The station was reportedly running outof it's licensed pattern, but I have no way to prove that.. but I do knowWEUS is for sale and has been from Day 1.1400 WZHR in Zephyrhills has always had a shitty signal from what multiplepeople have told me, due in part to where the tower is located. Dave andLola Wagonvoord aka Wagy Boy aka The Wagonwheels have never done much to thefacility.Paul Walkerwww.realradiousa.comOn Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Donn Tillman wrote:>>> Hi Paul, Juan and others familiar with Florida radio.>> For the first time in several years, I was able to dx in the Lakeland area> and also within the city limits of nearby Winter Haven yesterday.>> I have had a 2007 Corolla since December 2007 and I have to say that the> radio filters out more of the sideband IBOC hash that my former auto. (1994> Plymouth Acclaim- {the worst car radio I have ever had} ); that being said> even though the current car filters out more of the IBOC hash (is pretty> much the same as my parents' 2003 Toyota Avalon's radio as far as filtering> out the IBOC sideband noise), I still had interference from ClearChannels> WHNZ (We Sell No Zebras -their flawed attempt at humor to get people to> remember the call letters of their primarily infomercial station) 1250> interfered with WONN 1230, Lakeland as close in as 5 miles from the WONN> transmitter site.>> Just west of the Winter Haven city limits (probably about 2 miles west of> their western most city limits, Radio Disney satellite radio (no local> programming period) 1380 out of St. Petersburg starting interfering with the> 1360 out of Cypress Gardens/Winter Haven. So in addition to the station in> Avon Park and 1400 in Zephyrhills, Radio Disney also cuts down the coverage> of 1360 out of Cypress Gardens/Winter Haven as well.>> If either 1340 in West Palm or 1380 there turns on IBOC (or maybe they> already have); that will sure wipe out any gains in WKAT's new 50,000 watt> daytime signal in the northern half of Palm Beach county.>> Between IBOC, the constant Cuban interference and other man made> interference (the new light bulbs, neighbor's TV satellite dishes, computers> etc), AM listening is almost impossible except on the very strongest> signals. (and even on some of the strongest AM signals, I can still hear the> Cuban interference underneath during the day as well as at night - 570 and> 860).>> donn,> in the am stereo free zone of St. Petersburg ---- but plenty of IBOC hash.>> btw- seems to me there is or used to be someone on this list in the> Lakeland area; if so...... do you or anyone else knows what the story is on> the "alleged" AM 780 in Mulberry? It has been listed on radio-locator.comfor at least 2 years as a 250 watt daytime only station; I have yet to be> able to receive it, while in Mulberry and then yesterday I was within 4> miles of Mulberry and nothing on 780; the station doesn't have a website> that I can locate, so there's no website explaining what is going on.>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Apr 06 14:16:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43838 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2008 21:16:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2008 21:16:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.247) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2008 21:16:49 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d33so378671and.110 for ; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:16:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.252.17 with SMTP id z17mr8748885anh.79.1207516608881; Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:16:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80804061416x68718f21i3577f2887dbee031@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:16:48 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80804061231w31ce71a6le26e9ba1e7b48b91@mail.gmail.com> <8bce0fe80804061326y766d0fc5ve99d395cff7409cb@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} not quiet on the IBOC hash front X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=kyxRVqSLvnPwTOJvZxNZj5-2zoq_iDXgf32GtlCEfIlvaG1scasYKPbL X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Donn: I'm not a fountainhead of informaiton, I just retain real well what people have told me over the years. And yes, I do know the folks involved with WREY 780. There is the possibility that When WREY 780 eventually goes on the air, it will turn on IBOC to keep WLBE's signal out of the air. Paul Walker www.realradiousa.com On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Thanks Paul for the info on WREY (I couldn't recall the call letters). > (you're a fountainhead of information!) > > I guess I didn't remember all the CP details as far as night time > operation. > > If WREY 780 has IBOC, that will cut down considerable the day time > southern range of WLBE 790 in Leesburg,FL which has a fair to moderate > signal in Lakeland and a relatively strong signal from Polk City north to > Leesburg. At night it wouldn't matter as they(WLBE) reduce power and go to a > more or less east to west signal pattern to protect Miami's WAXY and the > Cuban 790 pretty well rules even just a few miles outside of Leesburg. > > Here I get a blend of WAXY and Cuba on 790 at night and a blend of WLBE > and Cuba during the day. > . > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Sun Apr 06 21:20:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5943 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2008 04:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2008 04:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2008 04:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2008 04:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2008 04:20:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 04:20:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.61.18 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=XaKuACcNpgqxpXrJnyhFkFrD6fEAs9-b1Ri7Tz9mYW1LHU2JItSF X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 You just explained exactly why... amidst all the hoopla about digital=20 broadcast or.. ATSC.. television being so darn much better... Why my=20 dad is just considering his television watching days over as of=20 February 19, 2009... when in the US... all the analog stations which=20 are licensed as full-power will be mandated to drop off the air.=20=20 He's not letting a bunch of nameless bureaucrats control how much=20 money he gives to Panasonic... for a new set-top downconverter..=20 which given what some independent engineers... and my own naked eyes=20 have humbilly noticed... may not exactly give my dad any signal at=20 all... even if the FCC's calculations say the digital signal will=20 drape as far from the tower as the analog signal has since say.. 1948=20 or 1954 depending upon when your nearest TV station took to the air. Bob in Vermont, USA. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 > wrote: > > > > Let me expand on that... > >=20 > > I think MANDATING/FORCING a station to adopt technology and=20 having=20 > listeners > > adapt to it is why different forms of technology failed. It's=20 why,=20 > in part, > > HD is failing. > >=20 > > WHy do you think AM Stereo should be mandated on stations? I=20 mean,=20 > sure, it > > sounds better... but other then that, what's the reason? > >=20 > > We considered going AM Stereo when I *thought* we would be=20 getting=20 > a new > > transmitter, but we did not end up getting a new transmitter so I=20 > abandoned > > the AM Stereo idea. Why? A New solid state transmitter can have=20 > the AM > > Stereo capability BUILT in. > >=20 > > I love AM Stereo as much as the next person, don't get me wrong. > >=20 > > Paul > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > If you let me add something: >=20 > Radio is a business. Everybody have to pay the bill, every month. >=20 > None of the "new" technologies can assure us we will have enough=20 > listeners to can "sold" your station (and to have enough money to=20 > pay the bill). >=20 > So, Why? and With what argument could you "force" a broadcaster to=20 > change to a new "x" technology if he doesn't/they don't have enough=20 > resources or if the today system works so fine to him/them? >=20 > Of course, I love stereo sound and I want to have an AM Stereo=20 > station here and I hope can get it soon, but... "business are=20 > business", unfortunately. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Apr 07 17:27:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20474 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 00:27:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 00:27:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 00:27:15 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.201] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080407192708100159900010> for ; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:27:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005d01c8990f$6df39be0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:27:08 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=oIaxkuAI4Lu-CV_cOoc7nqUuJpOhVByHwhtddHRpKiJROXm-KA_2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As much as I despise AA, I genuinely feel sorry for you losing the one you had to sports. I suspect, however, if the fairness doctrine ever is reinstated, talk stations of all political stripes will go sports or go dark. Nothing else would be safe enough in the hyper regulated environment. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com The local station that carried Air America changed its format to sports, like the other 4, count'em 4, sports stations didn't have it covered in our market. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Apr 07 17:28:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30070 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 00:28:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 00:28:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 00:28:12 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.201] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080407192803100317900010> for ; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:28:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <007101c8990f$8eb14300$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:28:03 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=U7tdFJmV7AzIOWI4jPJawe7H2njS9S-ywyI8HPwXEmNx-a1eG_ZD X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's assuming the equipment is even still in the rack and hasn't been removed or trashed. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com There are at least a half dozen stations in St. Louis that are fully AMS capable with the flip of a switch. However, they don't want to take the modulation penalty for AMS. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Apr 07 17:45:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66569 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 00:45:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 00:45:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 00:45:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 77453 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2008 00:45:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: o2MTCzgVM1mM6ORzJfasHWOH6lRJAA5uCKFkNLN6MhveksqwfkO8EQ0qvR1L2y5gfxdGo5B6KFBlvjeeae1JvjIxyf3u3wMfOpzL5TsJo9RxCcXKZAQ- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:45:46 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 17:45:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <72857.77413.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=GHC650eTmh-F8xRIOXI2ikRUr3qZCIzNAWpHdUpYSc-kUg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Amen to ALL of that! Seems the X band is more used around here for TIS, Airport, and Border info than anything else. Two cities in my area use 1700 and 1690 for city-owned info stations, and both sound like manure, to put it politely...clipped like a toe nail! Good old wishy-washy Uncle Charlie hasn't had guts since they dropped the original Magnavox decision under pressure from Motorola and Kahn. They write new rules, then totally ignore them. I hoped when they broomed out Micheal Powell that things might get better, but it sure donesn't look like it. George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I am fortunate to live on the deep fringe of KCJJ. > It is terrible to live in > a large metropolitan area in the heart of America > and the only stereo signal > is 1 kW from a small Iowa college more than 200 > miles away. > > I believe there should be sufficient Class 1A > stations mandated to be AMS > that at least one AMS should be listenable > everywhere in the U.S. at night. I > also think the FCC should enforce the X-band AMS > mandate. > > There are at least a half dozen stations in St. > Louis that are fully AMS > capable with the flip of a switch. However, they > don't want to take the > modulation penalty for AMS. > > WLS must have the largest nightime footprint of any > remaining AMS south of > the Canadian border. > > Mike > > > > > ************** > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel > Guides. > > > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Apr 07 17:47:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24961 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 00:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 00:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 00:47:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63179 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2008 00:47:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xnDeJ5kVM1mg4hwSC.Sp_P_M94DDelgZidzBU5zp.esX6LeXhFHCVC52.o9Yt47e3hRvQRF6IjnkwJ8VSQ6HLdOeZmNMQz3IFKXFZvVvCVKAGfQy3VQ- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:47:02 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 17:47:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <753184.62031.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=lVivcIjAjDuVFqy5_mLTOmXyTAxaA04shlN-R4EB38ANyA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Well put! --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > The local station that carried Air America changed > its format to sports, like > the other 4, count'em 4, sports stations didn't have > it covered in our > market. > > There is no station day or night that reaches St. > Louis that carries Air > America. You would think AA would have at least a > couple Class 1's. > > As for Randi Rhodes's comment, it did seem a little > over the top. I despise > Hillary, but the comment wasn't worth of Randi. The > "B" word would have been > much better and more accurate than the one she > chose. In refering to Hillary > and Geraldine as ho's, not only did Randi insult all > those who serve in the > world's oldest profession but it wasn't even > accurate. Anyone knows the two of > them couldn't come up with subway fare between > working the streets. > > Mike > > > ************** > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel > > Guides. > > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Apr 07 17:50:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92294 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 00:50:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 00:50:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 00:50:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5702 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2008 00:50:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rHHqpYMVM1nyPxl6ceAlHePI9JxI.rEG3VDTvculs2ob_o5x._DrVLEttGlEGn5.kw-- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:50:06 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 17:50:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <383143.5202.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=zXZUULYYd3yGuKnxJKjBxfZezDix_nAl_UEXCW-pwnMTPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I thought that the FCC required all stations above 1600 kHz. to be so-called "model one", with minimum power of 10 kW. and mandatory AMS. At least that was the buzz when they opened 1610-1700 up at first. --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... > wrote: > > > > I am fortunate to live on the deep fringe of KCJJ. > It is terrible > to live in > > a large metropolitan area in the heart of America > and the only > stereo signal > > is 1 kW from a small Iowa college more than 200 > miles away. > > And what a signal- and reputation- they have! Too > nad it doesn't reach > out this gar west... > > > I believe there should be sufficient Class 1A > stations mandated to > be AMS > > that at least one AMS should be listenable > everywhere in the U.S. at > night. I > > also think the FCC should enforce the X-band AMS > mandate. > > At the risk of repeating myself, THERE WAS NEVER AN > AMS MANDATE FOR > THE X-BAND! What they had was license preference if > the broadcaster > said they'll use AMS. THAT'S IT! > > > There are at least a half dozen stations in St. > Louis that are fully > AMS > > capable with the flip of a switch. However, they > don't want to take > the > > modulation penalty for AMS. > > What penalty? Unlike FM, there is NONE for AM > stereo. > > > WLS must have the largest nightime footprint of > any remaining AMS > south of > > the Canadian border. > > Or WBAP (Dallas) or KCJJ...... > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (If there were any AMS stations I wish I could > receive on my 'A100 > RIGHT NOW, it would be WNMB....but then, I love > oldies... ;) ) > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Apr 07 17:55:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7850 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 00:55:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 00:55:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.244) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 00:55:17 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b38so408102ana.48 for ; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:55:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.213.4 with SMTP id l4mr11640527ang.71.1207616114162; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:55:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 17:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80804071755u41e8ff1btf915fe7b3a028089@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 20:55:14 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <383143.5202.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <383143.5202.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=OGUgIprfj-fbkKshb0j_00MDA0FnqYLnjzjE3BttNu03TtNV0q0iFpG0 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Model one?? All XBand stations are `10KW Day, 1 KW Night, Non Directional There are a few, such as 1660 in New Jersey that are directional. Paul www.realradiousa.com On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 8:50 PM, george russell wrote: > I thought that the FCC required all stations above > 1600 kHz. to be > so-called "model one", with minimum power of 10 kW. > and mandatory > AMS. At least that was the buzz when they opened > 1610-1700 up at first. > > > --- Amy Mousie > wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > mjgrant@... > > wrote: > > > > > > I am fortunate to live on the deep fringe of KCJJ. > > It is terrible > > to live in > > > a large metropolitan area in the heart of America > > and the only > > stereo signal > > > is 1 kW from a small Iowa college more than 200 > > miles away. > > > > And what a signal- and reputation- they have! Too > > nad it doesn't reach > > out this gar west... > > > > > I believe there should be sufficient Class 1A > > stations mandated to > > be AMS > > > that at least one AMS should be listenable > > everywhere in the U.S. at > > night. I > > > also think the FCC should enforce the X-band AMS > > mandate. > > > > At the risk of repeating myself, THERE WAS NEVER AN > > AMS MANDATE FOR > > THE X-BAND! What they had was license preference if > > the broadcaster > > said they'll use AMS. THAT'S IT! > > > > > There are at least a half dozen stations in St. > > Louis that are fully > > AMS > > > capable with the flip of a switch. However, they > > don't want to take > > the > > > modulation penalty for AMS. > > > > What penalty? Unlike FM, there is NONE for AM > > stereo. > > > > > WLS must have the largest nightime footprint of > > any remaining AMS > > south of > > > the Canadian border. > > > > Or WBAP (Dallas) or KCJJ...... > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > (If there were any AMS stations I wish I could > > receive on my 'A100 > > RIGHT NOW, it would be WNMB....but then, I love > > oldies... ;) ) > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > Total Access, No Cost. > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.theradiogod.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Apr 07 18:04:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43740 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 01:04:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 01:04:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 01:04:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 84687 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2008 01:04:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dhCIcYkVM1mLTUfzMBwzG7tVCoXG0HeL.wwQ2y3LDDucYYwz7QukpkZPfZPaMXghlK9cWjPlhkq5XHWVjyDa.4H4UBIbSEqDhrVlGvfvfOyG9tfu6ac- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:04:29 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 18:04:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <318437.84155.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=rCber6qnWUuBhXHsgI3-p7glq3j3Ur-Mrs5dFSp1QDPsKg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes, and that minimum audio bandwidth should be AUDIO, not that infernal hissing and buzzing of IBOC! Absolutely, if a station is granted a liscense, then along with the privilege of using the airwaves, there comes a responsibility to the listener, and that should include both service standards and technical standards. They should also mandate minimum standards for receivers, as well. Remember when UHF tuners became mandated for any TV sold in the US? Once we even had strict quality standards for NTSC color, so there IS precedent. With today's cheap digital processing, there is NO excuse for receivers to have sloppy, narrow, un-even passbands, high distortion, and mono only. Instead of tossing out stereo, why not toss out out-dated things like diode envelope detection? But then, I am a sponsor-supporting LISTENER, so I guess my tirade is for naught! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/6/08 1:39:55 AM Central > Daylight Time, > walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com writes: > > > > I don't think ANY station should be FORCED/MNDATED > to go AM Stereo. > > > > I disagree. They use the public bandwidth. They > don't own it, it is > licensed to them on condition. The FCC has mandated > technical standards since Day 1. > AM Stereo is no different that requiring a station > to have a minimum audio > bandwith, maximum allowable distortion, etc.. > > Just my opinion. > > Mike > > > ************** > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel > > Guides. > > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Apr 07 22:12:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49369 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 05:12:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 05:12:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 05:12:06 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c10.30482541 (14457) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 01:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 01:12:03 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=FAx6U5Ogf98CAysiDWYLt-hFx_fB-SaG-3VWp0ELPFQl7HYP46W3RmyV7A8xHNIK X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are such stations available here in St. Louis. Only a handful of AM stations here make any money. I was only stating a personal preference, not making a commercial proposal. I was never a programming guy (not bragging, just fact). From a business perspective, I don't know how some stations here survive. I think what doomed AMS was a poor start. The FCC should never have allowed the market to sort of the right system. It should also have mandated AMS, grandfathering in the small town mom and pops. It's like the chicken and egg. Without available stations, people aren't going to buy receivers. Without receivers, there is no potential audience. Without a audience, there are no advertisers. Without advertisers, there are no available stations. I know we have discussed this before, but can an AMS station get 100% amplitude modulation on a L or R only signal? Mike ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Apr 07 23:27:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74852 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 06:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 06:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao102.cox.net) (68.230.241.44) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 06:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080408062734.MLDO13697.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 02:27:34 -0400 X-Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id AuTa1Z0061sYu8403uTaka; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:27:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 23:27:33 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=BLSlURw6CniawzNtn4ba1Ue22zhY-PvzCTkyssS2Emo9pfceiX3Q1LCvFagL X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That was a factor, but another big issue was the narrow bandwidth radios such as the infamous Radio Shack model (that supposedly has one incarnation that didn't sound awful, though I never heard a good version myself), Radio Shack and Kraco car stereos that did sound awful, and bad antennas on some of the factory car stereo that were good with AM stereo. Essentially, after all the hype, people heard just like the old joke: same static, but in stereo. People really don't care about stereo as much as they care about fidelity. The vast majority of available AM stereo radios sounded awful. On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:12 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I think what doomed AMS was a poor start. The FCC should never have > allowed > the market to sort of the right system. It should also have > mandated AMS, > grandfathering in the small town mom and pops. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 02:23:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9742 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 09:23:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 09:23:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 09:23:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 09:23:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 09:23:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:23:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.1.144 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: CKMX Calgary still stereo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=3ZBfBtd5MF9dDXBm-C5rjs7-y4STy-1fWMOQC717EYdKwAV9 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie I did a spur-of-the-moment recording direct from my Aiwa CR-DS805 pocket AMS radio to my RCA Lyra MP3 recorder at my back porch in 35-degree weather (brrr!) without benefit of my Select-A-Tenna, so the recording's a bit noisier than I'd like, and you hear the fadeouts (and the EL light of my watch on the same hand holding the radio!), even with nulled-out IBOC hash from 1050.... (Breathe, mousie!) ....of CKMX Classic Country 1060, about 800 miles or so northeast of me, from my location near Humboldt Bay, California. :) The only reliable AMS signal I can get anywhere in western North America is STILL stereo! Recorded over about 10 minuts from 11:55pm-12:05am PDT, 7-8 April 2008. http://www.sendspace.com/file/g0hxnm Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 08 05:15:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jlaltmann@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38025 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 12:15:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 12:15:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.128) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 12:15:30 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 12:15:30 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 12:15:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 12:15:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:15:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.158.217.140 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236606698; y=5-fizKUi44ByrkduSBRonrwTU4KBh0bKhu1hfrrXatAliTinTVe1Qmg9unHuDjDM-1Y X-Yahoo-Profile: jeff7472000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've heard of squirrels stealing undies, but they (the squirrels) were the two-legged instead of four-legged kind. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." > walkerbroadcasting@ wrote: > > > > Anyone here awake? > > Squirrels stole my undies, so I've been quiet. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 07:35:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74971 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 14:34:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 14:34:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.184) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 14:34:12 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 14:34:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 14:34:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 14:34:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:34:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.22.67 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: it's quiet.... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=OnNwvCox4JW2H35UQDWnKBZuvMfp9iqQSbMhM8LXIPj_kmEW X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" wrote: > > I've heard of squirrels stealing undies, but they (the squirrels) were > the two-legged instead of four-legged kind. *giggle* ;) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 10:46:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86868 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 17:35:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 17:35:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 17:35:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9998 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2008 17:35:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ajxjogwVM1moSOlGMV.oabbkHPYnLJS2IPaT6iZ2RYrDjha3KsBpc52rPvknn3Y84mOC6YlCrA-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:35:07 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 10:35:07 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <383143.5202.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <455221.9497.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=LehnpNzI3NcTz9h17eUtEM1W0nyYz3EsZ7hIpKSW3vk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- george russell wrote: > I thought that the FCC required all stations above > 1600 kHz. to be > so-called "model one", with minimum power of 10 kW. > and mandatory AMS. WRONG on MANDATORY. At least that was the buzz when they opened > 1610-1700 up at first. It might of been the buzz but it was not rooted in fact. You got a PREFERENCE if you agreed to run AM stereo. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 10:50:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5997 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 17:37:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 17:37:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 17:36:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11585 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2008 17:36:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ghhDPAgVM1mMQjpvWewyqAJFmFKxIAFOPUBoakWMK6JNWzbBrsocIOhAGM.U4pHN3rtAPjjeIw-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:36:58 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 10:36:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <786716.11258.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: AM stereo rece8vers and tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=1Tp4UAwX2HpjILNHbBQDEoTXZvQPju9Wo8QZZiX4z0A X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > That was a factor, but another big issue was the > narrow bandwidth > radios such as the infamous Radio Shack model (that > supposedly has > one incarnation that didn't sound awful, though I > never heard a good > version myself), Radio Shack and Kraco car stereos > that did sound > awful, and bad antennas on some of the factory car > stereo that were > good with AM stereo. Essentially, after all the > hype, people heard > just like the old joke: same static, but in stereo. My radio shack one sounded fine. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Apr 08 11:00:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8149 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 17:48:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 17:48:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-0708.google.com) (64.233.178.246) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 17:48:41 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id n78so972034hsc.8 for ; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:48:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.101.68.19 with SMTP id v19mr344895ank.128.1207676921342; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:48:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 10:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80804081048j51a23251ve6caaa59ad2c5e86@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:48:41 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <455221.9497.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <383143.5202.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <455221.9497.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=IWQIopnmJvz4_2BTzX3-41eRdGjiMefRvCdyWBe5V87lRWdCV9qCNtNt X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many people have been confused over the years, thinking that AM Stereo was mandatory. I'm not exactly sure where that confusion came from though. Paul Walker www.realradiousa.com On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > --- george russell > wrote: > > > I thought that the FCC required all stations above > > 1600 kHz. to be > > so-called "model one", with minimum power of 10 kW. > > and mandatory AMS. > > WRONG on MANDATORY. > > At least that was the buzz when they opened > > 1610-1700 up at first. > > It might of been the buzz but it was not rooted in > fact. You got a PREFERENCE if you agreed to run AM > stereo. > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Apr 08 11:35:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24219 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 18:35:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 18:35:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 18:35:38 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bf4.23b3db86 (39954) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:35:23 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo rece8vers and tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=a82Ak3cul23JNPszEfLQy7lqud5tb_zcHP2bJiASvP_4aWd2Jw0w0RVXYOVJI8kQ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are there currently any good sounding AMS radios made? Something like a table radio. The Delco Concert II in the car sounds great, but is there a comparable sounding home radio? Mike ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 11:38:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79434 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 18:38:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 18:38:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 18:38:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 97478 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2008 18:38:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BwB1JywVM1m1BA61zWohMPVbwEHxaWp2dRqMTgq0Osero9f6v0xpTfPvcavPF0ZuHY3VT3mnKQ-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:38:05 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:38:05 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <703997.96704.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo rece8vers and tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=bwR2dOUCuGrTys_nIqytCIQ4O2eWOFbiLXKxdVdGrdM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Are there currently any good sounding AMS radios > made? In the us market NO. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 15:58:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36722 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 22:58:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 22:58:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 22:58:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 69552 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2008 22:58:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HToK8BoVM1nAni8p0uYr0N0Wn.1AGFfc1laMd95eWChyeRmiTYNFL8eAtORVbpPiEUNITxP3Fk1XR3zXve8RHJdo3UeeBdjXKfDbU6r.zJMjAmxr2p0- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:58:32 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:58:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <140930.68744.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=sf2enEGGEPsrSwFuFHdjGNqkN5l13oMk780lId-MaZ9Y6g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Sounds familiar...seems I remember folks saying quadraphonic was doomed by a "let the marketplace determine a standard" attitude. Of course, quad returned, under the new name "surround sound", with an extra channel or two, but you get the idea! I had decoders for all 4 systems, but lack of public acceptance made the record companies a bit reticent to produce much good software. Maybe AM Stereo will come back under a new name? Like maybe "AM Surround"? Ah, no law against dreaming! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > There are such stations available here in St. Louis. > Only a handful of AM > stations here make any money. I was only stating a > personal preference, not > making a commercial proposal. I was never a > programming guy (not bragging, just > fact). From a business perspective, I don't know > how some stations here > survive. > > I think what doomed AMS was a poor start. The FCC > should never have allowed > the market to sort of the right system. It should > also have mandated AMS, > grandfathering in the small town mom and pops. > > It's like the chicken and egg. Without available > stations, people aren't > going to buy receivers. Without receivers, there is > no potential audience. > Without a audience, there are no advertisers. > Without advertisers, there are no > available stations. > > I know we have discussed this before, but can an AMS > station get 100% > amplitude modulation on a L or R only signal? > > Mike > > > > > ************** > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel > Guides. > > > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 16:01:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48655 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 23:01:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 23:01:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 23:01:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 92009 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2008 23:01:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bQj23zoVM1nf0RpjeTa148PT6FgvOArk9zEMeZeMv8ThUAqj6gPAQdzXs.E6eDDJyIMqP6ztg7LtJL8Oxx_QI9kkgSD3dHJT62NUse..jZeGFaniQtQ- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:01:44 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:01:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <455221.9497.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <216802.90465.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=3rU4remhUnwHQlq8FVHYINDHqmk8DEyCmltaxBGnv7-ykQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Thanks for setting me straight, Powell. I remember (dimly) the hooplah when the X-band was getting ready to happen, but didn't read much on the legal angles. So using 1610 and up was also always legal for TIS stations, too? George --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- george russell wrote: > > > I thought that the FCC required all stations above > > 1600 kHz. to be > > so-called "model one", with minimum power of 10 > kW. > > and mandatory AMS. > > WRONG on MANDATORY. > > At least that was the buzz when they opened > > 1610-1700 up at first. > > It might of been the buzz but it was not rooted in > fact. You got a PREFERENCE if you agreed to run AM > stereo. > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 16:03:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18591 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 23:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 23:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 23:03:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 86333 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2008 23:03:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZuDKkygVM1n8tG.XpA0_u96tcKNuv_aAxe3PS95ZqGkUxALSpmqyehU9f644vp2.m4FUTTWavw-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:03:38 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:03:38 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <216802.90465.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <812695.86326.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=aFK38mZJG2KE3dydT5LrPXWZlOFY9OhtfPW5oUp1Qic X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- george russell wrote: > Thanks for setting me straight, Powell. I remember > (dimly) the hooplah when the X-band was getting > ready > to happen, but didn't read much on the legal angles. > > So using 1610 and up was also always legal for TIS > stations, too? I know that TIS stations can actually be on any frequency. I found that out heading from the east coast to New Mexico. Arkansas had some that had excellent range. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Apr 08 16:06:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46787 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 23:06:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 23:06:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-0708.google.com) (64.233.178.246) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 23:06:47 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 4so1641518hsl.5 for ; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:06:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.123.4 with SMTP id v4mr12969099anc.7.1207696006782; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:06:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80804081606p50e3b338kf7b13f7c200e3921@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 19:06:46 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <812695.86326.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <216802.90465.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <812695.86326.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=4XCdh9B38fzniPO5Y56D64PTrLTU3HUxkVe7bjxzqZ8iIQCM6AX_NmyN X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's a TIS in New Jersey on 1300 somewhere. I heard of one being on 1400 somewhere. Glastonbury, Connecticut has WPII600 at 1570Khz.. and boy oh boy, does it GET OUT for 10 Watts!! Paul Walker www.realradiousa.com On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Powell E. Way III W4OPW wrote: > > --- george russell > wrote: > > > Thanks for setting me straight, Powell. I remember > > (dimly) the hooplah when the X-band was getting > > ready > > to happen, but didn't read much on the legal angles. > > > > So using 1610 and up was also always legal for TIS > > stations, too? > > I know that TIS stations can actually be on any > frequency. I found that out heading from the east > coast to New Mexico. Arkansas had some that had > excellent range. > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 16:28:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86009 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 23:28:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 23:28:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.220) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 23:28:43 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 23:28:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 23:28:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 23:28:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <703997.96704.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.202.21.118 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo rece8vers and tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=yBKBoi_D_zHCqBE9NeOJxlCnsp_7z7e1StgKQBl3qUc X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 not sure if it could even be a small market for such radio tuners... :(=20 However since I 've experencied the AM STEREO (meaning CQUAM basically)=20 I have managed to buy at least 35 AMS capable different handheld or=20=20 desktop/tuner radios and more than 6 car radios...=20 I do have now more than 4 Sony ST-JX220A and 5 Carver TX11a (or=20 PSB11a).=20 The best sounding tuners are for sure the TX11a FMHO! I do call it as=20 the AM STEREO (CQUAM) reference receiver! But I must found a TX11b to=20 see if there are any better at AM stereo fidelity! You don't want to=20 listen FM reception after it! Following are (from best to worst), the=20 Sony ST-JX220A, the TEAC T-30 & T-60! the Yamaha T420A, Sherwood=20 TDS130SB, Pioneer series, may others that are almost similar between=20 them, and the worst of all I have listen to, is the MCS3050 !!!=20 although its sensitivity is real good!=20 If all tuners made like the TX11a, or at least ST-JX220A, at AM stereo=20 part, at least the AM stereo system would have a better chance to=20 compete FM... at the introduction days of it! But with crapradios like=20 the MCS that was like saying to listeners, AM can't even try to compete=20 the NBFM quality!=20 For car radios, I was amazed by one Blaupunkt Grand Prix, that it has=20 an excellent AM receiver, with a real good AM stereo quality, making it=20 the top IMO and is proudly sitting at the dashboard of my Smart, while=20 a Pioneer model it has great AM stereo quality but the reception part=20 is not as good as of the Blaupunkt... Kraco ETR 1084 is to be installed=20 at my wifes car to be checked replacing an OEM from (not sure as it has=20 GM logo at it) Ford... ??? that was good enough to stay on dashboard=20 for almost a year...=20 For handhelds/mini pocket radios I must thank Chris Cuff who has sold=20 me an incredible sensitive and selective AIWA CR-S8 with excellent AM=20 stereo sound. Some others like many AIWA's and also the Sony SRF's=20 aren't so good IMO...=20 From my experience since now with all these radios of different makers=20 and types of use, I have conclude that one of the major reasons for=20 stall of the AM stereo system, was the unbelievable lack of FCC=20 decision, for not demanding for at least some minimum quality (or at=20 least IF passband) standards from AM radio manufacturers and leave it=20 completely unregulated! So some radios are made AMS capable just to=20 gain the marketing position, while in reality they have destroyed any=20 chance to a buyer of them to buy another AMS radio, as some mono radios=20 of their era, sounded better even monophonic!!!=20 If the same approach (for receivers IF for example) has happened at FM=20 band for instance, then FM stereo might have faced the same road path=20 as AM stereo... But at that case IF BW has been set wide enough to pass=20 easily the stereo component, while if they were based from start only=20 on the restricted needed monophonic required BW, the FM stereo, as is=20 would be out of question...=20 Seems I wrote more than needed, but that happens when someone (hmm=20=20 Paul... are you satisfied now that you have wake up almost all? ) makes=20 such a strong wake up call... :) =20=20=20 Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- mjgrant@... wrote: >=20 > > Are there currently any good sounding AMS radios > > made?=20 >=20 > In the us market NO. >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 16:34:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20426 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 23:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 23:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 23:34:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 70656 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2008 23:34:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: t3cTZD4VM1nJndY2YkC6eO7cVxC0tEEwxAW.1zddzZYkhK9C.xATESMc4hLsM92Q69XoGPXuVw-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:34:38 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:34:38 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <64275.70301.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo receivers and tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=75sExUxO0_tev1BFws7mc3Qbju_vTEsSF7QWjOfgSmY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Corrected spelling....that 8 drove me C R A Z Y..... Anyway, my 2000 Taurus Wagon has AM Stereo, however it's not particularly wide and decent sounding. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 16:59:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57893 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2008 23:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2008 23:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2008 23:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 23:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 23:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2008 23:59:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 23:59:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <786716.11258.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.22.67 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: AM stereo rece8vers and tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=7NvsZL5xIGIoAZLgR-2mgyg3eTieOchnDYLsD4LnLbol7F4w X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > >=20 > --- Richard Wagoner wrote: >=20 > > That was a factor, but another big issue was the > > narrow bandwidth=20=20 > > radios such as the infamous Radio Shack model (that > > supposedly has=20=20 > > one incarnation that didn't sound awful, though I > > never heard a good=20=20 > > version myself), [...] >=20 > My radio shack one sounded fine.=20 So is mine. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 17:02:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75670 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 00:02:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 00:02:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.145) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 00:02:55 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 00:02:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 00:02:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 00:02:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:02:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.22.67 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo rece8vers and tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=fBRohWNxNpqxcRrVbQaUl2qopBp6U-PyUAWed7sNJfnd4x_F X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Are there currently any good sounding AMS radios made? Something like a=20 > table radio. The Delco Concert II in the car sounds great, but is there a=20 > comparable sounding home radio? From Japan there are. A few of them (may require tweaking to get the X-band) are available on AudioCubes.com. The SRF-A300 is a portable tabletop that's a bit bassy, but otherwise very good, and seems to be the most popular current radio. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 17:04:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3571 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 00:04:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 00:04:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.144) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 00:04:13 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 00:04:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 00:04:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 00:04:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:04:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.22.67 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo rece8vers and tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=skmWcXkijCcmSbx4hsyJ0nWCcngtn24EvS6tPixm6eNACA5E X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Are there currently any good sounding AMS radios made? Something like a=20 > table radio. The Delco Concert II in the car sounds great, but is there a=20 > comparable sounding home radio? Also, the Fanfare FT100 is still being made, though it's pricey. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 17:15:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86852 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 00:15:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 00:15:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.79) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 00:15:38 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 00:15:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 00:15:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 00:15:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:15:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.22.67 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: AM stereo rece8vers and tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=W9t68XAqIJJJDmnsc5U7M2BCOOqzf0Pg3QHZSK8BM-W_pe7D X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > For handhelds/mini pocket radios I must thank Chris Cuff who has sold=20 > me an incredible sensitive and selective AIWA CR-S8 with excellent AM=20 > stereo sound. Some others like many AIWA's and also the Sony SRF's=20 > aren't so good IMO...=20 Of the 5 AMS radios i've owned (4 different models), the worst-sounding of the bunch is my Aiwa CR-DS805. Best, of course, is my (second) Sony SRF-A100. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 17:15:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76694 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 00:15:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 00:15:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.237) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 00:15:39 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 00:15:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 00:15:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 00:15:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:15:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.210.2.155 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: AM stereo rece8vers and tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=NahUr4CVSgWoms2weVAPpM_zsMq3IrXE6KhNCJ7TYWr0Y8YfopuP X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 http://meduci.com/amx2000.html You write: >Are there currently any good sounding AMS radios made? Something=20 >like a table radio.=20 From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 17:23:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68875 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 00:23:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 00:23:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.145) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 00:23:38 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 00:23:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 00:23:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 00:23:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:23:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <216802.90465.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.22.67 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=u-eq7aWROh_ARW0D1-9ocvsKxLZtJyAhWRpo7Flj9EpzafCA X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > So using 1610 and up was also always legal for TIS > stations, too? No. 530 and 1610 were (and still officially are) the designated TIS frequencies. Above 1610 prior to the X-band authorisation were non-directional beacons, other fixed services and cordless telephones (NBFM, between 1720-1780kHz). 1800 started the 160m ham band. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Apr 08 17:33:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71586 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 00:33:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 00:33:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 00:33:01 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.127] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080408193231102832700010> for ; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:32:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00e701c899d9$59297020$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:32:31 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo rece8vers and tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=4I-WD-pcFNqxgGqWSkbrdQP_WKaZw50-0fl4A0gnZ8p7Zm9XfxY8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good to know you're still making those, Jeff. Gotta fire mine up again as it's been a few months. For those who haven't heard one, it's a great sounding radio! Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jeffdeck2001 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo rece8vers and tuners http://meduci.com/amx2000.html You write: >Are there currently any good sounding AMS radios made? Something >like a table radio. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.9/1364 - Release Date: 4/7/08 6:38 PM --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 17:40:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67428 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 00:40:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 00:40:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 00:40:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73200 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2008 00:40:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VzVvfM0VM1mD98ONlyy82szDeK_BPer76WaPJL7B2qeipJsredkLN508i7KmOYOTyGpr7VhUOg-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:40:42 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:40:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <641951.73005.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=KIIxgMxdOlwg1pnu-V2RvSudPq2ZzKjuWIpWTE-bXeI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > wrote: > > > So using 1610 and up was also always legal for TIS > > stations, too? > > No. 530 and 1610 were (and still officially are) the > designated TIS > frequencies. Above 1610 prior to the X-band > authorisation were > non-directional beacons, other fixed services and > cordless telephones > (NBFM, between 1720-1780kHz). 1800 started the 160m > ham band. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ There was ONE allocation on 1610 in Atlanta, TEXAS...but it's dead and gone. 530 SHOULD be allocated for a US frequency. It's FAR too good to not be. More than one friend of mine had early cordless phones that were in the expanded band and they were NOT NBFM but AM!!!! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 17:45:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16066 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 00:45:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 00:45:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 00:45:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 83141 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2008 00:45:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VTdxQRsVM1nSq4gZ_HXVmIwVzqnIZOdmHfIXvBT7UqmerHlOY0.uyz8E5f.oVVTbTncASTPB0vBbRYtPnUfNdmVn5RIU.gBoHzr5DFkLmxveNHy.gf5rbCJ_KoTWAw-- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:45:43 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:45:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <868254.82242.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=mSODOWC_Q3vrNZ5CLbqUefNcplSW_wUqa49-kQjeu7e7IA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 OK...but there is an airport info station in Detroit on a mid-band frequency (can't recall exactly right now), and a bridge/border crossing to Canada station, also mid-band. How do they get away with this? Are there cases where Uncle Charlie waives the rules? George --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > wrote: > > > So using 1610 and up was also always legal for TIS > > stations, too? > > No. 530 and 1610 were (and still officially are) the > designated TIS > frequencies. Above 1610 prior to the X-band > authorisation were > non-directional beacons, other fixed services and > cordless telephones > (NBFM, between 1720-1780kHz). 1800 started the 160m > ham band. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Apr 08 17:46:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20042 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 00:46:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 00:46:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-0708.google.com) (64.233.178.242) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 00:46:49 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id n78so1351623hsc.4 for ; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:46:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.122.8 with SMTP id u8mr14104400anc.103.1207702008323; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:46:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80804081746r42789d06w91479278b821ed84@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 20:46:48 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <868254.82242.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <868254.82242.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.242 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=__HiNlfaT2uWiiprKU8mOf6IejArtEupOL71wn3b_-lFCZKgUFQmZ5CA X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They didn't "get away with it", TIS' are not regulatedto just 1610 and 530 anymore. I've seen them on 1570, 1380, etc Paul Walker www.realradiousa.com On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:45 PM, george russell wrote: > OK...but there is an airport info station in Detroit > on a mid-band frequency (can't recall exactly right > now), and a bridge/border crossing to Canada station, > also mid-band. How do they get away with this? > Are there cases where Uncle Charlie waives the rules? > George > --- Amy Mousie > wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > george russell > > wrote: > > > > > So using 1610 and up was also always legal for TIS > > > stations, too? > > > > No. 530 and 1610 were (and still officially are) the > > designated TIS > > frequencies. Above 1610 prior to the X-band > > authorisation were > > non-directional beacons, other fixed services and > > cordless telephones > > (NBFM, between 1720-1780kHz). 1800 started the 160m > > ham band. > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > Total Access, No Cost. > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.theradiogod.com http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 17:49:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71451 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 00:49:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 00:49:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 00:49:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 56321 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2008 00:49:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iUnLFyUVM1lUQhdWChHE_aHEt_xwVKA3wmngSgb5CoRHGN9TUYDd1_mclu3RF.23lygKCc4XB_.uPAcg0xYZ38KVNad0V7u80VOXSjf8vExEzJhEXppQaC4VfYaWcw-- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:49:01 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:49:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <641951.73005.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <585026.56011.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=5lu9pGr8BvBqFkmeWfXsVFfXsiIj9JGGtG1cMrbwkxoa9w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yup, I remember "acidentally" hearing our neighbor yakking on the phone, around 1740, definitely AM. As for 530, I agree, but a few MWDXers will get upset when they can no long hear Central American stations, but rather traffic info. George --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- Amy Mousie wrote: > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george > russell > > wrote: > > > > > So using 1610 and up was also always legal for > TIS > > > stations, too? > > > > No. 530 and 1610 were (and still officially are) > the > > designated TIS > > frequencies. Above 1610 prior to the X-band > > authorisation were > > non-directional beacons, other fixed services and > > cordless telephones > > (NBFM, between 1720-1780kHz). 1800 started the > 160m > > ham band. > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > There was ONE allocation on 1610 in Atlanta, > TEXAS...but it's dead and gone. 530 SHOULD be > allocated for a US frequency. It's FAR too good to > not > be. More than one friend of mine had early cordless > phones that were in the expanded band and they were > NOT NBFM but AM!!!! > > > Powell > > > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 17:58:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23103 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 00:58:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 00:58:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.244) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 00:58:14 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 00:58:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 00:58:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 00:58:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:58:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00e701c899d9$59297020$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.210.2.155 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: AM stereo receivers and tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=FGq0lZlaq5QaJaVl4GZtN9_dGZeX6-vMnHUJuI7pE5vsfkqyYtKA X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Thanks, Scott for the good words. You write: >Good to know you're still making those, Jeff. Gotta fire mine=20 >up again as it's been a few months. For those who haven't=20 >heard one, it's a great sounding radio! >=20 >Scott Todd From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 18:01:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87500 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 01:01:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 01:01:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 01:01:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 33248 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2008 01:01:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: acQiNlcVM1kZhwi1pN9PLRRucYmPleuhMd3Hhaq47hkNdKoA X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:01:48 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:01:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <163860.33169.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo receivers and tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=wW9KKZgpUQvz_RHSyG_K-lnxD7HCE_L2tBq8VfszSs0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jeffdeck2001 wrote: > Thanks, Scott for the good words. I want one, but don't have the spare money. I have my Jeff Deck modified Yamaha AM stereo FM stereo tuner here at WKDK. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 18:32:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21412 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 01:32:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 01:32:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 01:32:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23830 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2008 01:32:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: G.ASl9AVM1lDPN9HK10PaLiLywlvuPw8UPCtznYy7i4AlGmaWGClf6tjrVwINKqucjWnUYpbIQw8pw3VijB8Bnic_ngQO0u5AspzNaTbM_vXj9WlffA- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:32:03 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:32:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <412841.23218.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo rece8vers and tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=_bdScUtRce9LbxWPDcZPbuYGZE6PwQ6OWq2athsJ2z5NhA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Ever hear a Denon TU-680? I've never had the pleasure, there are very few out there, but it was built for the NRSC to demonstrate the capabilities of AM Stereo, and When Julian Hersch did a review in some hi-fi magazine, he compared the AM and FM from a New York station that simulcast classical music. He said the AM sounded better! Go figure...that station must have been passing the whole enchilada, audio-wise. Best receiver would be to build a superhet with WIDE and FLAT (both gain and phase) and LINEAR IF stages, then use synchronous I and Q product detectors. Better yet, direct-conversion with NO IF stages! That way, upper passband limit could be determined strictly by audio filtering. The D. C. approach was suggested in 2003 for auto radios, but I don't know of any using it yet. I built a mono D. C. radio, ( I.F. is the audio itself), very simple, and the sound quality from some of the stations around here is just amazing. Surely some radio maker out there can do this better than a tinkerer like me! (Are you listening, Sony?) George --- Sotiris wrote: > Hi > not sure if it could even be a small market for such > radio tuners... :( > However since I 've experencied the AM STEREO > (meaning CQUAM basically) > I have managed to buy at least 35 AMS capable > different handheld or > desktop/tuner radios and more than 6 car radios... > I do have now more than 4 Sony ST-JX220A and 5 > Carver TX11a (or > PSB11a). > The best sounding tuners are for sure the TX11a > FMHO! I do call it as > the AM STEREO (CQUAM) reference receiver! But I must > found a TX11b to > see if there are any better at AM stereo fidelity! > You don't want to > listen FM reception after it! Following are (from > best to worst), the > Sony ST-JX220A, the TEAC T-30 & T-60! the Yamaha > T420A, Sherwood > TDS130SB, Pioneer series, may others that are almost > similar between > them, and the worst of all I have listen to, is the > MCS3050 !!! > although its sensitivity is real good! > > If all tuners made like the TX11a, or at least > ST-JX220A, at AM stereo > part, at least the AM stereo system would have a > better chance to > compete FM... at the introduction days of it! But > with crapradios like > the MCS that was like saying to listeners, AM can't > even try to compete > the NBFM quality! > > For car radios, I was amazed by one Blaupunkt Grand > Prix, that it has > an excellent AM receiver, with a real good AM stereo > quality, making it > the top IMO and is proudly sitting at the dashboard > of my Smart, while > a Pioneer model it has great AM stereo quality but > the reception part > is not as good as of the Blaupunkt... Kraco ETR 1084 > is to be installed > at my wifes car to be checked replacing an OEM from > (not sure as it has > GM logo at it) Ford... ??? that was good enough to > stay on dashboard > for almost a year... > > For handhelds/mini pocket radios I must thank Chris > Cuff who has sold > me an incredible sensitive and selective AIWA CR-S8 > with excellent AM > stereo sound. Some others like many AIWA's and also > the Sony SRF's > aren't so good IMO... > > From my experience since now with all these radios > of different makers > and types of use, I have conclude that one of the > major reasons for > stall of the AM stereo system, was the unbelievable > lack of FCC > decision, for not demanding for at least some > minimum quality (or at > least IF passband) standards from AM radio > manufacturers and leave it > completely unregulated! So some radios are made AMS > capable just to > gain the marketing position, while in reality they > have destroyed any > chance to a buyer of them to buy another AMS radio, > as some mono radios > of their era, sounded better even monophonic!!! > If the same approach (for receivers IF for example) > has happened at FM > band for instance, then FM stereo might have faced > the same road path > as AM stereo... But at that case IF BW has been set > wide enough to pass > easily the stereo component, while if they were > based from start only > on the restricted needed monophonic required BW, the > FM stereo, as is > would be out of question... > > > Seems I wrote more than needed, but that happens > when someone (hmm > Paul... are you satisfied now that you have wake up > almost all? ) makes > such a strong wake up call... :) > > > Sotiris > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III W4OPW" > wrote: > > > > > > --- mjgrant@... wrote: > > > > > Are there currently any good sounding AMS radios > > > made? > > > > In the us market NO. > > > > > > Powell > > > > NNNN > > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Apr 08 19:23:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68610 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 02:23:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 02:23:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 02:23:34 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d10.2332136f (32913) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 22:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 22:23:27 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Fe60Fwp-7VYoxObbS5gdg6oQyElMbPehupjUEhDFH0njdIhvbyvyDu-dLLQjmws3 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The market isn't always right. Betamax was actually better the VHS. IMHO. Can you imagine if the FCC decided to let different Stereo TV systems compete? Or in the 40's, let every TV manufacturer and broadcaster decide what kind of system to use? Or color TV in the late 50s? Promugating technical standards is the FCC's job, not the market. I would have to research it a bit, but I don't believe the basic audio standards for AM has change in the last 70 years. The beauty of C-QUAM was the "C". KCJJ sounds just great on the 1941 Zenith 10A1 as well as the Delco Concertmaster II and there's no hash on the adjacents. With just 1 kW, KCJJ can project a decent stereo signal several hundred miles at night. AM-HD can't do that at present. Mike ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Apr 08 19:33:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6685 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 02:33:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 02:33:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 02:33:37 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d0e.260f73cb (32913) for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 22:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 22:32:58 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo rece8vers and tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Z8rKUIxGGJ9aGNdhnznCXYxRgFcodUX4PG4joLoDAk-Sn48ryPVCm69BRdUDYhJ2 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The FCC wasn't shy about mandating TV receivers have UHF capability. It didn't let those who only wanted VHF to buy VHF only receivers. For upscale factory sound systems for autos, the cost of adding AMS capability was negligible. Most of us listen to the radio the most in our cars. The reason manufactures stopped making AMS capable radios was the decline in AMS stations. Mike ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 21:53:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96748 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 04:53:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 04:53:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.59) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 04:53:20 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 04:53:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 04:53:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 04:53:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <641951.73005.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.22.67 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=ulVYQIkWdQdYhrk7b-3FxobuIMu39XypYCZiGFrZnftlhQrw X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > More than one friend of mine had early cordless > phones that were in the expanded band and they were > NOT NBFM but AM!!!!=20=20 The one that was here was around 1750 and was NBFM- I had to slope-tyne to listen to it. On my (first) 'A100, I managed to tune to it, and boy, the sound was funky- as it should, since the AM portion was minimal, but the FM, which was in its difference channel (PM/FM, ie: for the Magnavox and RCA/Belar systems), had all the audio, so it was entirely out of phase! In some places, you still might hear these old cordless phones in use. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Apr 08 21:56:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49832 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 04:56:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 04:56:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.158) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 04:56:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 04:56:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 04:56:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 04:56:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 04:56:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <868254.82242.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.22.67 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=b8H5omKambKvWRy1WhFsg981vhdSHGvezfh7APXoyT2-efmi X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > OK...but there is an airport info station in Detroit > on a mid-band frequency (can't recall exactly right > now), and a bridge/border crossing to Canada station, > also mid-band. How do they get away with this? > Are there cases where Uncle Charlie waives the rules? > George Officially 530 and 1610 are still designated TIS frequencies as I've said, BUT! TISes are not restricted to using those frequencies only. The local TIS is on 1610 and 98.1...yes, FM. Wherever there's space, they can get authorisation. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ke7ief@aol.com Wed Apr 09 00:08:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68657 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 07:08:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 07:08:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 07:08:00 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c02.3142784b (37183) for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2008 03:07:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from homeb29194fc77 (70-57-68-58.tukw.qwest.net [70.57.68.58]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA055-913f47fc6b4727; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:07:52 -0400 Message-ID: <005c01c89a10$6c6965a0$6601a8c0@homeb29194fc77> To: References: <00e701c899d9$59297020$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 00:07:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 70.57.68.58 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo rece8vers and tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=dwxuNHEHIk-VcfN45xkR47adiXa0a23C7uGmsQjXvs_dBGnTdipb X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can you send some mp3s of recordings? ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:32 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo rece8vers and tuners Good to know you're still making those, Jeff. Gotta fire mine up again as it's been a few months. For those who haven't heard one, it's a great sounding radio! Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jeffdeck2001 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo rece8vers and tuners http://meduci.com/amx2000.html You write: >Are there currently any good sounding AMS radios made? Something >like a table radio. ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.9/1364 - Release Date: 4/7/08 6:38 PM --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 08:29:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68608 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 15:29:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 15:29:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 15:29:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 94994 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2008 15:28:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BB7MvWAVM1nCJq6IFeOriIxpYOcvD5PECS5XgooJUkYzI6glyFejV2X24Gu5RKo6Unh4jHtwTaB1tqH54Y3GdUg7oJzP50W5kGR8WTgmBQHhreyiTpE7PNM7Tvs.1A-- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:28:59 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 08:28:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <622592.91705.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=BS3CpiNDx-dHqqloQSRp3lUkFYJbh7e_m-txSTlMfc2B9A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 FM? perfect place for it, and IBOC, too!!! (LOL) --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > wrote: > > > > OK...but there is an airport info station in > Detroit > > on a mid-band frequency (can't recall exactly > right > > now), and a bridge/border crossing to Canada > station, > > also mid-band. How do they get away with this? > > Are there cases where Uncle Charlie waives the > rules? > > George > > Officially 530 and 1610 are still designated TIS > frequencies as I've > said, BUT! TISes are not restricted to using those > frequencies only. > > The local TIS is on 1610 and 98.1...yes, FM. > > Wherever there's space, they can get authorisation. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 11:17:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57117 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 18:17:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 18:17:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 18:17:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 57882 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2008 18:17:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dz..q2kVM1nS4mbP9F2gwQFHJ2uEfvQxOySHWWzyoOhF1EuoCpMaye_Qslioi2UkHw-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 11:17:43 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:17:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <785640.57017.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Cordless AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=octqp-sRaoT75O5gQJzorcYNWfe7Uo-zwlpHQER83eXFM3kWcNj4Rzg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I built my own C-Quam decoder board in 1983 and installed it into a Layfayette tuner; somehow I had a way to 'force' the (MC13000P?) chip into stereo (I don't remember how, but I did) and when I had it in "forced stereo", then I could hear cordless phones at night! wrote: "...More than one friend of mine had early cordless > phones that were in the expanded band and they were > NOT NBFM but AM!!!!..." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 11:19:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65589 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 18:19:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 18:19:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 18:19:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 94587 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2008 18:19:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: etQgFjYVM1meaywWA87QD17j6A74IJlpumgc_Biss_VZ6noezSspgO4b3SgaLyH_rGn5mE01UIiwEitaZbjhJnfZUGbbTfmLKsmqL7YvgMiv1JyYBwQtDgFmAg-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 11:19:10 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:19:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <296055.94465.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: JCPenney MCS AM Stereo Tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=GgHaSPC86l-Ngxuba8umf53AoKNR7zb8UF_G4VCrnPHE0Sn-UsM_f2c X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Has anyone tried simply replacing the I.F. filter with one with a wider bandwidth? Sotiris - have you tried installing your AMS decoder board into this tuner and then hearing how it sounds? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 11:22:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96930 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 18:22:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 18:22:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 18:22:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32010 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2008 18:22:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dcbKT98VM1mIOvhZlIOoPXXf1WlpozbmIQy.aTzCRM2xt0a9_9t.eomCVhRIXN3XW0GPgpK1MUCXtL2pYAqzQTjZCgmFye6e7zHN1HiuHUmnYwM2iTqXZVhTgQ-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 11:22:27 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:22:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <739160.31602.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: AM Stereo Tuners - Fanfare X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=jWw69sCwke3SIithxhTQ7W9kdN5qQhbTk_AhVihGit3Erpf-0-Xj358 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I will say that the Fanfare FTA100P AM Stereo tuner is super-sweet. It does cut-off the extra high-end, so there is no 15KHz audio like the other tuner mentioned, but the Fanfare does have very low noise, superb stereo separation and very low distortion. The Omega circuitry does make a difference in reception. Go to the FanfareFM website to hear the AM Stereo samples and you can hear what I mean. 73's John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 13:03:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94307 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 20:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 20:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.186) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 20:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 20:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 20:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 20:03:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:03:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <296055.94465.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.202.21.118 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: JCPenney MCS AM Stereo Tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=niJt3IhmQywbDET7jRG0m8tJQ8FRCzWJdPYeO1zZjHg X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi John=20 No I haven't done either...=20 I've wrote what was my impression for each tuner as it was made,=20 without any mods, as this is what the buyer should have heard when he=20 bought each of them...=20 And I'm sure about the comments, as for each one I 've wrote=20 something, was not coming from only one unit of the model, but at=20 least 3 and with random serial numbers from different lot (and at=20 some cases from diferent countries.=20 The Carvers however that I had the luck to have, as some of them have=20 been sold to Greek AM stereo pirat... hmmm testing station operators,=20 are 16 units!!! All of them sounded excellent both at wide and narrow=20 IF selection, even that I have aligned at least 6 of them and=20 replaced some electrolytic caps at a couple of them also!=20 Sony STJX220A was 5 units (4 silver face & 1 black/lead face) all=20 working excellent from arrival at my bench...=20 Sherwood TDS130SB has been my beloved tuners... not so much for the=20 AM stereo sound quality and separation, etc.=20 Mostly because they do have an INCREDIBLE AM front end!!!!!!!!!!!=20 Combined with an excellent ferrite stick antenna placed at rear, that=20 is kept in circuit even when you'r connecting an external AM HiZ=20 antenna, it provides an excellent tuner for medium wave DX listeners=20 that their are unlucky and leaving at the most noisy large city=20 center... with trolley buses passing infront of their window every 1- 2 minutes...=20 These tuners with their excellent selectivity and combined=20 sensitivity, wake up my memories from back when, as a teen, used to=20 tune my AM JVC analog dial tuner (with a huge flywheel that forced=20 the gang variable capacitors inside, to tune it at frequency), to=20 listen to the VOA Kavala (not realy but not far from it) AM station=20 and the AFRS AM station, based at the Athens airport USAF base of=20 Hellinikon... and many other DX stations that used to be listenable=20 at Athens until late 70's early 80's...=20 Field test from a standard location and antenna, is at my oppinion=20 the best test for AMS tuners. All the results are from exactly the=20 same system.=20 Have also run some bench tests with my VP's Panasonic generators and=20 with ASMAX-1 to compare all the available to me AMS receivers... and=20 have seen the same things also at bench.=20 At ready made AMS radios I'm not going to change or add anything,=20 until something needs to be repaired. No reason after all, as I'm=20 doing mods to more modern and at most cases better tuners available=20 today...=20 =20 Sotiris=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > Has anyone tried simply replacing the I.F. filter with one with a=20 wider > bandwidth? >=20 > Sotiris - have you tried installing your AMS decoder board into this > tuner and then hearing how it sounds? >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 13:07:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67195 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 20:07:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 20:07:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.182) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 20:07:22 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 20:07:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 20:07:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 20:07:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:07:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <739160.31602.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.202.21.118 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: AM Stereo Tuners - Fanfare X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=a6ijynFHuXRFqXu13QfbhwDCPdKr3BES9C1oJnWdqh0 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr FANFARE FTA100P ! that is one that I'm searching for, and haven't=20 been lucky enough to get my hands on it... :(=20 If that one outperforms Carver TX11a then it will replace them from=20 the center top of my lab both at home and office...=20 Anyone offering one ???? :)=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > I will say that the Fanfare FTA100P AM Stereo tuner is super- sweet. It > does cut-off the extra high-end, so there is no 15KHz audio like the > other tuner mentioned, but the Fanfare does have very low noise,=20 superb > stereo separation and very low distortion. The Omega circuitry does > make a difference in reception. >=20 > Go to the FanfareFM website to hear the AM Stereo samples and you=20 can > hear what I mean. >=20 > 73's > John >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 13:10:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86880 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 20:10:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 20:10:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.134) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 20:10:48 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n7.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 20:10:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 20:10:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 20:10:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:10:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <412841.23218.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.202.21.118 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo rece8vers and tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=--Ae634QtYocCGf7WysipOGB-Rb4kA8_Icct0L3V0QE X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi George=20 Not lucky to got one here... I lost one at ebay some months ago, but=20 it seems they are rare to find them at auction places... Maybe they=20 are real good and nobody wants to give it away! :)=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > Ever hear a Denon TU-680? I've never had the > pleasure, there are very few out there, but it was > built for the NRSC to demonstrate the capabilities of > AM Stereo, and When Julian Hersch did a review in some > hi-fi magazine, he compared the AM and FM from a New > York station that simulcast classical music. > He said the AM sounded better! Go figure...that > station must have been passing the whole enchilada, > audio-wise. > Best receiver would be to build a superhet with WIDE > and FLAT (both gain and phase) and LINEAR IF stages, > then use synchronous I and Q product detectors.=20 > Better yet, direct-conversion with NO IF stages! That > way, upper passband limit could be determined strictly > by audio filtering. The D. C. approach was suggested > in 2003 for auto radios, but I don't know of any using > it yet.=20=20 > I built a mono D. C. radio, ( I.F. is the audio > itself), very simple, and the sound quality from some > of the stations around here is just amazing. > Surely some radio maker out there can do this better > than a tinkerer like me! (Are you listening, Sony?) > George >=20 > --- Sotiris wrote: >=20 > > Hi=20 > > not sure if it could even be a small market for such > > radio tuners... :(=20 > > However since I 've experencied the AM STEREO > > (meaning CQUAM basically)=20 > > I have managed to buy at least 35 AMS capable > > different handheld or=20=20 > > desktop/tuner radios and more than 6 car radios...=20 > > I do have now more than 4 Sony ST-JX220A and 5 > > Carver TX11a (or=20 > > PSB11a).=20 > > The best sounding tuners are for sure the TX11a > > FMHO! I do call it as=20 > > the AM STEREO (CQUAM) reference receiver! But I must > > found a TX11b to=20 > > see if there are any better at AM stereo fidelity! > > You don't want to=20 > > listen FM reception after it! Following are (from > > best to worst), the=20 > > Sony ST-JX220A, the TEAC T-30 & T-60! the Yamaha > > T420A, Sherwood=20 > > TDS130SB, Pioneer series, may others that are almost > > similar between=20 > > them, and the worst of all I have listen to, is the > > MCS3050 !!!=20 > > although its sensitivity is real good!=20 > >=20 > > If all tuners made like the TX11a, or at least > > ST-JX220A, at AM stereo=20 > > part, at least the AM stereo system would have a > > better chance to=20 > > compete FM... at the introduction days of it! But > > with crapradios like=20 > > the MCS that was like saying to listeners, AM can't > > even try to compete=20 > > the NBFM quality!=20 > >=20 > > For car radios, I was amazed by one Blaupunkt Grand > > Prix, that it has=20 > > an excellent AM receiver, with a real good AM stereo > > quality, making it=20 > > the top IMO and is proudly sitting at the dashboard > > of my Smart, while=20 > > a Pioneer model it has great AM stereo quality but > > the reception part=20 > > is not as good as of the Blaupunkt... Kraco ETR 1084 > > is to be installed=20 > > at my wifes car to be checked replacing an OEM from > > (not sure as it has=20 > > GM logo at it) Ford... ??? that was good enough to > > stay on dashboard=20 > > for almost a year...=20 > >=20 > > For handhelds/mini pocket radios I must thank Chris > > Cuff who has sold=20 > > me an incredible sensitive and selective AIWA CR-S8 > > with excellent AM=20 > > stereo sound. Some others like many AIWA's and also > > the Sony SRF's=20 > > aren't so good IMO...=20 > >=20 > > From my experience since now with all these radios > > of different makers=20 > > and types of use, I have conclude that one of the > > major reasons for=20 > > stall of the AM stereo system, was the unbelievable > > lack of FCC=20 > > decision, for not demanding for at least some > > minimum quality (or at=20 > > least IF passband) standards from AM radio > > manufacturers and leave it=20 > > completely unregulated! So some radios are made AMS > > capable just to=20 > > gain the marketing position, while in reality they > > have destroyed any=20 > > chance to a buyer of them to buy another AMS radio, > > as some mono radios=20 > > of their era, sounded better even monophonic!!!=20 > > If the same approach (for receivers IF for example) > > has happened at FM=20 > > band for instance, then FM stereo might have faced > > the same road path=20 > > as AM stereo... But at that case IF BW has been set > > wide enough to pass=20 > > easily the stereo component, while if they were > > based from start only=20 > > on the restricted needed monophonic required BW, the > > FM stereo, as is=20 > > would be out of question...=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Seems I wrote more than needed, but that happens > > when someone (hmm=20=20 > > Paul... are you satisfied now that you have wake up > > almost all? ) makes=20 > > such a strong wake up call... :) > >=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > > Sotiris > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > > III W4OPW"=20 > > wrote: > > > > > >=20 > > > --- mjgrant@ wrote: > > >=20 > > > > Are there currently any good sounding AMS radios > > > > made?=20 > > >=20 > > > In the us market NO. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Powell > > >=20 > > > NNNN=20=20 > > > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of=20 Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.=20=20 > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 13:15:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56584 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 20:15:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 20:15:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 20:15:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22661 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2008 20:15:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Wt.5uukVM1kRoQpxyJSNeyZRnfUuP5BeuzX_GRawiwJ7nQASMtTDSHOAa24VYkj.xJ9J3u8JgIBm.OMVKzVeG8oe1OJqqAn2Mky.KQWuOwWlJos6ZC7Dt4dYDnz6YQ-- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:15:26 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:15:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <294923.17631.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo rece8vers and tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=7TR0IeFsBOuptunr4XNl-ziM4uy7dtdZB9IG6fB_R0Bixg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I suspect a lot of them ended up bought by broadcasters rather than audiophiles, as they were promoted by the NRSC bunch. Ask around radio stations, or look in trade papers classified sections. IF you get one, I'd sure like to hear a recording from it! Georg --- Sotiris wrote: > Hi George > Not lucky to got one here... I lost one at ebay some > months ago, but > it seems they are rare to find them at auction > places... Maybe they > are real good and nobody wants to give it away! :) > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > > wrote: > > > > Ever hear a Denon TU-680? I've never had the > > pleasure, there are very few out there, but it was > > built for the NRSC to demonstrate the capabilities > of > > AM Stereo, and When Julian Hersch did a review in > some > > hi-fi magazine, he compared the AM and FM from a > New > > York station that simulcast classical music. > > He said the AM sounded better! Go figure...that > > station must have been passing the whole > enchilada, > > audio-wise. > > Best receiver would be to build a superhet with > WIDE > > and FLAT (both gain and phase) and LINEAR IF > stages, > > then use synchronous I and Q product detectors. > > Better yet, direct-conversion with NO IF stages! > That > > way, upper passband limit could be determined > strictly > > by audio filtering. The D. C. approach was > suggested > > in 2003 for auto radios, but I don't know of any > using > > it yet. > > I built a mono D. C. radio, ( I.F. is the audio > > itself), very simple, and the sound quality from > some > > of the stations around here is just amazing. > > Surely some radio maker out there can do this > better > > than a tinkerer like me! (Are you listening, > Sony?) > > George > > > > --- Sotiris wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > not sure if it could even be a small market for > such > > > radio tuners... :( > > > However since I 've experencied the AM STEREO > > > (meaning CQUAM basically) > > > I have managed to buy at least 35 AMS capable > > > different handheld or > > > desktop/tuner radios and more than 6 car > radios... > > > I do have now more than 4 Sony ST-JX220A and 5 > > > Carver TX11a (or > > > PSB11a). > > > The best sounding tuners are for sure the TX11a > > > FMHO! I do call it as > > > the AM STEREO (CQUAM) reference receiver! But I > must > > > found a TX11b to > > > see if there are any better at AM stereo > fidelity! > > > You don't want to > > > listen FM reception after it! Following are > (from > > > best to worst), the > > > Sony ST-JX220A, the TEAC T-30 & T-60! the Yamaha > > > T420A, Sherwood > > > TDS130SB, Pioneer series, may others that are > almost > > > similar between > > > them, and the worst of all I have listen to, is > the > > > MCS3050 !!! > > > although its sensitivity is real good! > > > > > > If all tuners made like the TX11a, or at least > > > ST-JX220A, at AM stereo > > > part, at least the AM stereo system would have a > > > better chance to > > > compete FM... at the introduction days of it! > But > > > with crapradios like > > > the MCS that was like saying to listeners, AM > can't > > > even try to compete > > > the NBFM quality! > > > > > > For car radios, I was amazed by one Blaupunkt > Grand > > > Prix, that it has > > > an excellent AM receiver, with a real good AM > stereo > > > quality, making it > > > the top IMO and is proudly sitting at the > dashboard > > > of my Smart, while > > > a Pioneer model it has great AM stereo quality > but > > > the reception part > > > is not as good as of the Blaupunkt... Kraco ETR > 1084 > > > is to be installed > > > at my wifes car to be checked replacing an OEM > from > > > (not sure as it has > > > GM logo at it) Ford... ??? that was good enough > to > > > stay on dashboard > > > for almost a year... > > > > > > For handhelds/mini pocket radios I must thank > Chris > > > Cuff who has sold > > > me an incredible sensitive and selective AIWA > CR-S8 > > > with excellent AM > > > stereo sound. Some others like many AIWA's and > also > > > the Sony SRF's > > > aren't so good IMO... > > > > > > From my experience since now with all these > radios > > > of different makers > > > and types of use, I have conclude that one of > the > > > major reasons for > > > stall of the AM stereo system, was the > unbelievable > > > lack of FCC > > > decision, for not demanding for at least some > > > minimum quality (or at > > > least IF passband) standards from AM radio > > > manufacturers and leave it > > > completely unregulated! So some radios are made > AMS > > > capable just to > > > gain the marketing position, while in reality > they > > > have destroyed any > > > chance to a buyer of them to buy another AMS > radio, > > > as some mono radios > > > of their era, sounded better even monophonic!!! > > > If the same approach (for receivers IF for > example) > > > has happened at FM > > > band for instance, then FM stereo might have > faced > > > the same road path > > > as AM stereo... But at that case IF BW has been > set > > > wide enough to pass > > > easily the stereo component, while if they were > > > based from start only > > > on the restricted needed monophonic required BW, > the > > > FM stereo, as is > > > would be out of question... > > > > > > > > > Seems I wrote more than needed, but that happens > > > when someone (hmm > > > Paul... are you satisfied now that you have wake > up > > > almost all? ) makes > > > such a strong wake up call... :) > > > > > > > > > Sotiris > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. > Way > > > III W4OPW" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- mjgrant@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are there currently any good sounding AMS > radios > > > > > made? > > > > > > > > In the us market NO. > > > > > > > > > > > > Powell > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 13:20:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36640 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 20:20:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 20:20:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 20:20:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66268 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2008 20:20:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: m._vIFcVM1mKRGG1oYyvugDuUl3AgV3R7RMXyZlR09l2EZSSYD.ZCVObie4kTJvi9XKE5cjo_NTQdK.J_5lpFIqP5dYK03.bUHAFk57rZNiLgLwa3GKaQFEQYbA54A-- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:20:03 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:20:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <25123.64964.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo rece8vers and tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=3YjJVyT2L2wMB9GPi5crKLz8Fe2-AalNUh2gXVIrBADI-g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 If any of your sets use actual IF transformers, rather than the ceramic filters, you can "stagger tune" them. If the IF is 455 kHz., tune one for 453, one for 455, one for 457, etc. TVs used to be done that way, for the wide video signal, and I've done it on antique tube radios, with good results. If you have a sweep generator that will run that low, and a scope, you can watch the passband, and tailor it to your liking. It CAN be done by ear, but very carefully, needless to say! George --- Sotiris wrote: > Hi George > Not lucky to got one here... I lost one at ebay some > months ago, but > it seems they are rare to find them at auction > places... Maybe they > are real good and nobody wants to give it away! :) > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > > wrote: > > > > Ever hear a Denon TU-680? I've never had the > > pleasure, there are very few out there, but it was > > built for the NRSC to demonstrate the capabilities > of > > AM Stereo, and When Julian Hersch did a review in > some > > hi-fi magazine, he compared the AM and FM from a > New > > York station that simulcast classical music. > > He said the AM sounded better! Go figure...that > > station must have been passing the whole > enchilada, > > audio-wise. > > Best receiver would be to build a superhet with > WIDE > > and FLAT (both gain and phase) and LINEAR IF > stages, > > then use synchronous I and Q product detectors. > > Better yet, direct-conversion with NO IF stages! > That > > way, upper passband limit could be determined > strictly > > by audio filtering. The D. C. approach was > suggested > > in 2003 for auto radios, but I don't know of any > using > > it yet. > > I built a mono D. C. radio, ( I.F. is the audio > > itself), very simple, and the sound quality from > some > > of the stations around here is just amazing. > > Surely some radio maker out there can do this > better > > than a tinkerer like me! (Are you listening, > Sony?) > > George > > > > --- Sotiris wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > not sure if it could even be a small market for > such > > > radio tuners... :( > > > However since I 've experencied the AM STEREO > > > (meaning CQUAM basically) > > > I have managed to buy at least 35 AMS capable > > > different handheld or > > > desktop/tuner radios and more than 6 car > radios... > > > I do have now more than 4 Sony ST-JX220A and 5 > > > Carver TX11a (or > > > PSB11a). > > > The best sounding tuners are for sure the TX11a > > > FMHO! I do call it as > > > the AM STEREO (CQUAM) reference receiver! But I > must > > > found a TX11b to > > > see if there are any better at AM stereo > fidelity! > > > You don't want to > > > listen FM reception after it! Following are > (from > > > best to worst), the > > > Sony ST-JX220A, the TEAC T-30 & T-60! the Yamaha > > > T420A, Sherwood > > > TDS130SB, Pioneer series, may others that are > almost > > > similar between > > > them, and the worst of all I have listen to, is > the > > > MCS3050 !!! > > > although its sensitivity is real good! > > > > > > If all tuners made like the TX11a, or at least > > > ST-JX220A, at AM stereo > > > part, at least the AM stereo system would have a > > > better chance to > > > compete FM... at the introduction days of it! > But > > > with crapradios like > > > the MCS that was like saying to listeners, AM > can't > > > even try to compete > > > the NBFM quality! > > > > > > For car radios, I was amazed by one Blaupunkt > Grand > > > Prix, that it has > > > an excellent AM receiver, with a real good AM > stereo > > > quality, making it > > > the top IMO and is proudly sitting at the > dashboard > > > of my Smart, while > > > a Pioneer model it has great AM stereo quality > but > > > the reception part > > > is not as good as of the Blaupunkt... Kraco ETR > 1084 > > > is to be installed > > > at my wifes car to be checked replacing an OEM > from > > > (not sure as it has > > > GM logo at it) Ford... ??? that was good enough > to > > > stay on dashboard > > > for almost a year... > > > > > > For handhelds/mini pocket radios I must thank > Chris > > > Cuff who has sold > > > me an incredible sensitive and selective AIWA > CR-S8 > > > with excellent AM > > > stereo sound. Some others like many AIWA's and > also > > > the Sony SRF's > > > aren't so good IMO... > > > > > > From my experience since now with all these > radios > > > of different makers > > > and types of use, I have conclude that one of > the > > > major reasons for > > > stall of the AM stereo system, was the > unbelievable > > > lack of FCC > > > decision, for not demanding for at least some > > > minimum quality (or at > > > least IF passband) standards from AM radio > > > manufacturers and leave it > > > completely unregulated! So some radios are made > AMS > > > capable just to > > > gain the marketing position, while in reality > they > > > have destroyed any > > > chance to a buyer of them to buy another AMS > radio, > > > as some mono radios > > > of their era, sounded better even monophonic!!! > > > If the same approach (for receivers IF for > example) > > > has happened at FM > > > band for instance, then FM stereo might have > faced > > > the same road path > > > as AM stereo... But at that case IF BW has been > set > > > wide enough to pass > > > easily the stereo component, while if they were > > > based from start only > > > on the restricted needed monophonic required BW, > the > > > FM stereo, as is > > > would be out of question... > > > > > > > > > Seems I wrote more than needed, but that happens > > > when someone (hmm > > > Paul... are you satisfied now that you have wake > up > > > almost all? ) makes > > > such a strong wake up call... :) > > > > > > > > > Sotiris > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. > Way > > > III W4OPW" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- mjgrant@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are there currently any good sounding AMS > radios > > > > > made? > > > > > > > > In the us market NO. > > > > > > > > > > > > Powell > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 13:26:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8046 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 20:26:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 20:26:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 20:26:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 84860 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2008 20:26:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _r9qTDEVM1nS9_Q1IHYqJa8PYr7ER8aVmAVrjdxi9nJgHz6wQYKZuVe5yuduFBPpkg-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:26:50 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:26:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <294923.17631.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <590685.84797.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Denon TU-680 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=KOBrwupgGUXopnQTMlHCEkI2pDHBV44dKKvsUMxlY90 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- george russell wrote: > I suspect a lot of them ended up bought by > broadcasters rather than audiophiles, as they were > promoted by the NRSC bunch. Ask around radio > stations, or look in trade papers classified > sections. > IF you get one, I'd sure like to hear a recording > from > it! The SCBA ordered 12 and they went to my friend to dole out to those who wanted them. Quality Control obviously did not exist. 8 were DOA, and 3 failed in some form shortly thereafter. My friend has one left and the AM works, the FM has no longer any stereo. So BE WARNED of this. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From dwtpa97@verizon.net Wed Apr 09 13:35:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74512 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 20:35:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 20:35:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173001pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.1) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 20:35:07 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([71.100.78.12]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JZ2007UNRU3PAC0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:34:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:34:51 -0400 To: Message-id: <002801c89a81$29ca1f70$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <590685.84797.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Denon TU-680 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=xTlXjAODGXm5jXfDfHyXHnYYykvUr-R6lIiWBxWi8Yycig X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I owned a TU-680 at one time, and although everything worked on it, I was disappointed in the sound. The separation was ok, but it just didn't produce the high notes that some of my other am tuners did (even though they weren't stereo). After our last local station dropped cquam, I sold the tuner. Even though the unit had great published specs, it just didn't sound that good in the real world, compared with other am tuners. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III W4OPW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 4:26 PM Subject: {AMSF} Denon TU-680 --- george russell wrote: > I suspect a lot of them ended up bought by > broadcasters rather than audiophiles, as they were > promoted by the NRSC bunch. Ask around radio > stations, or look in trade papers classified > sections. > IF you get one, I'd sure like to hear a recording > from > it! The SCBA ordered 12 and they went to my friend to dole out to those who wanted them. Quality Control obviously did not exist. 8 were DOA, and 3 failed in some form shortly thereafter. My friend has one left and the AM works, the FM has no longer any stereo. So BE WARNED of this. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 15:11:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36983 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 22:11:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 22:11:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.8) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 22:11:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 22:11:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 22:11:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:11:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002801c89a81$29ca1f70$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.239.225.169 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Denon TU-680 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=Zk44ueKbxELBaN7yyZzuCvOC_CrwEGJLm8k6IgKpKguOBheUnA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics > I owned a TU-680 at one time, and although everything worked on it, > I was disappointed in the sound. The separation was ok, but it > just didn't produce the high notes that some of my other am tuners > did (even though they weren't stereo). After our last local > station dropped cquam, I sold the tuner. Even though the unit had > great published specs, it just didn't sound that good in the real > world, compared with other am tuners. The Denon follows the NRSC de-emphasis curve. Older AM Stereo=20 receivers did not, and usually sound excessively bright, especially=20 those from Sony (SRF-A100, etc.) because at the time those were=20 introduced (1983), it was thought that the proliferation of wideband=20 AM receivers would allow AM stations to discontinue the use of=20 pre-emphasis. Of course, wideband AM receivers didn't exactly take=20 over the marketplace, so the NRSC curve was created as a compromise=20 to make a station sound the best it can on both traditional=20 narrowband mono AM receivers as well as on wideband AM Stereo=20 receivers. I have a TU-680NAB and I have no problems with it. It is not the=20 best tuner for AM DXing, because its fixed bandwidth IF filter just=20 doesn't provide the needed selectivity. But if you have a local AM Stereo (or even wideband mono AM) station, it will sound=20 fantastic. The TU-680NAB also has excellent FM reception and sound=20 quality -- mine pulls in FM signals almost as well as a good OEM car=20 radio (Delco, Chrysler, etc.), and in wideband FM mode the stereo=20 separation is unbelievably wide (something like 55 to 60 dB, compared=20 to the 30 dB typical to most FM Stereo receivers). From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 15:14:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89201 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 21:32:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 21:32:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 21:32:59 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 21:32:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 21:32:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 21:32:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:32:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <25123.64964.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.202.21.118 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo receivers and tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=M9Rup4y22hlmna5I9lXrVWq0-2UZjgkTlx-hz8hDJQc X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr reading comments about the Denon DU-680 I'm not so sure if it's worth=20 it... If that is the case both on quality of it, and the audio=20 fidelity at AMS then the Carver's will surely hold their place at my=20 lab...=20 George, I do have few T&M equipments, not much, but should fit for=20 the job... I think :)=20 However I know about detuning IF cascade firters to widening the IF=20 passband, but this also inserts or increases ripple all over the=20 newer passband, and also changes the total group delay of the IF=20 system, and that is not so good for IQ related signals... while at=20 mono that should not be a problem.=20 Problem is that most digital tuners with AMS use 450KHz IF filters,=20 and I have been lucky enough to find only 455KHz IF ceramic filters=20 with a passband of 30KHz!!! Still thinking if I should make a tuner=20 as a product. Meducci has however a good unit AFIK. Not digital=20 tuning, and without many blips, blinking scrolling messages & other=20 christmas lights at it, but it works properly, isn't it?=20 If half the radio makers followed that method (pay for a good=20 electronic design) instead of giving huge amounts taken from the R&D=20 funds for the "P orche" external designs of a crap circuitry, then=20 AMS tuners will be all around as a standard since now. And if tuners=20 were available then no station will even thing to turn off the AMS!I=20 do know that first hand, as I was chief engineer at one of the=20 biggest FM stations of Greece, and when we faced a problem that we=20 had to turn off the stereo, I've faced incredible questions for the=20 reason we were running at mono for 2 days, even though we were a=20 news/sports station, without a real need for stereo 24/7/365... and=20 the most silly thing is that those questions came 2 weeks after we=20 had returned to it!=20 For am receivers, do believe me that it isn't the less than 30c/pc=20 value of the needed extra components to make their tuners IF wide to=20 pass at least an acceptable audio at AMS... Its that the money from=20 R&D of the electronic part moved all the way to the marketing/face=20 design people...=20 Their basic reason?=20 Believe it or not: known as W.A.F or Wife Acceptance Factor for all=20 consumer electronics! to the high-end people :)=20 =20=20=20 From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 15:58:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18619 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 22:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 22:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.79) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 22:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 22:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 22:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 22:52:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:52:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <622592.91705.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.22.67 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=IEpYSjNEMWVVh80JqhNoryHjvbt6SdkdhVo4ybR4DqAWBhyF X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > FM? perfect place for it,=20 Considering most radio listenership is FM, yes it's the better band. 1610 AM doesn't work so well for the local CalTrans TIS, but on FM, it actually reaches most of the county. The call is KMKE-LP 98.1. > and IBOC, too!!! (LOL) Actually, there are fewer problems with IBOC on FM, and most of the growth for IBOC has been on FM. It might survive there- Who knows? It certainly doesn't work for AM, even violating the very spirit of non-interference with adjacent channels. (I don't like bad engineering- I think I've pointed that out many, many times.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 15:59:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5067 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2008 22:55:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2008 22:55:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.185) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2008 22:55:06 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 22:55:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 22:55:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2008 22:55:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:55:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <785640.57017.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.22.67 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Cordless AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=YOWRBbzTWvNaMiqJKV73BR6Nc5b3s0n5sNwiLg9Xp8lmzTgZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > I built my own C-Quam decoder board in 1983 and installed it into a > Layfayette tuner; somehow I had a way to 'force' the (MC13000P?) chip > into stereo (I don't remember how, but I did) and when I had it in > "forced stereo", then I could hear cordless phones at night! Change the component on the pilot detector tap so it's a different frequency...like 0Hz? :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jimbo@burgan.net Wed Apr 09 17:08:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimbo@burgan.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77081 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 00:08:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 00:08:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO flpi102.prodigy.net) (207.115.20.71) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 00:08:07 -0000 X-ORBL: [75.62.113.28] X-Received: from EMACHINE (adsl-75-62-113-28.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net [75.62.113.28]) by flpi102.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with SMTP id m3A083cd003651 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2008 17:08:04 -0700 Message-ID: <00ad01c89a9e$f14a0750$6601a8c0@EMACHINE> To: References: Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 20:08:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080409-1, 04/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 207.115.20.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Jim Burgan" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167801055; y=QYPWZko5PqOSpRgyuSfTuAbWvqdwu1yCJx-VV8ZJXEAOuPU X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo700 > Actually, there are fewer problems with IBOC on FM, and most of the > growth for IBOC has been on FM. It might survive there- Who knows? It > certainly doesn't work for AM, even violating the very spirit of > non-interference with adjacent channels. (I don't like bad > engineering- I think I've pointed that out many, many times.) I'm not so sure, Amy. The IBOC travesty on FM may not be the same as the mess on the AM/MW band, but FM-IBOC has it's own set of problems. Most significantly, coverage area. Here in Indiana the class B (50KW at 150 meters) HD signal barely covers half the area of their analog 60 dBu city-grade contour and the class A's (3 or 6KW at 100 meters) don't even cover their city of license. I have an Alpine HD radio in my car. I live 35 miles south of Indianapolis and I can't receive any of the Indy station's HD signals. I would guess that the HD signal for class B's is good to about 20-25 miles from the stick, and the class A HD signal is good to about 10-15 miles from the stick. I've read in the trades that a full class C FM station has an effective HD signal of l30 to 40 miles (my experience in Florida in January would validate that). The problem is so bad that the HD Alliance has asked the FCC to allow broadcasters to increase the power of the HD signal a bunch. There are already interference issues with FM-IBOC, and if the FCC allows broadcasters to increase power as much as they are asking (I'm not sure but I think it's a 10 fold increase), it will result in significant interference on 1st adjacent channels, plus it would wipe out about half of the current low power FM stations. In my ever-so-humble opinion, IBOC was/is a train wreck of colossal proportion, and it will never work. Not to mention that there is no benefit to consumers to purchase an HD radio, except for the HD2 and HD3 signals, most of which are being used for extreme niche programming and don't have appeal to the masses. Plus, FM HD Radio offers no improvement in sound quality over the analog signal. The real problem now is that broadcasters have spent millions upgrading their transmitters (the cost to add HD to an existing class B FM is nearly $100,000) and they have no way to recoup that investment. Smaller markets can't afford to upgrade and large markets that have upgraded upgraded are seeing no benefit to shelling out that kind of money. They only winner so far has been Ibiquity, and there have been tons of losers. Don't even get me started on AM-IBOC. -Jim- From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Apr 09 17:48:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14506 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 00:48:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 00:48:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 00:48:16 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.186] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080409194745100289000016> for ; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:47:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00a401c89aa4$a7ace8a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <00e701c899d9$59297020$d503fea9@stodd> <005c01c89a10$6c6965a0$6601a8c0@homeb29194fc77> Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:47:45 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo rece8vers and tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ivQtS0OZOPKbDXYOV-n1ifqjf_kqqP9mNYFbQS0KgihP9PWz1ND1 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For all my work in electronics I've never even tried that. I suppose I could get around to it, but I'd need a longer version of the cord that comes with the Alfredo Lite transmitter (1/8" stereo plug to dual RCA). Not much to hear in AM stereo in this area, though sometimes I get WLS at night. KCJJ is rare nowadays. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com can you send some mp3s of recordings? ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:32 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM stereo rece8vers and tuners Good to know you're still making those, Jeff. Gotta fire mine up again as it's been a few months. For those who haven't heard one, it's a great sounding radio! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Apr 09 17:49:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75293 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 00:49:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 00:49:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 00:49:37 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.186] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080409194919100247600017> for ; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:49:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00bd01c89aa4$de82fea0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:49:19 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo rece8vers and tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=c8MPs0AdQC5qIwFgfkr-cCttP9OBZ3kRd_qaCtqdRu3vfoxGThB6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit True, but a few cents per radio over millions of radios and it adds up. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com For upscale factory sound systems for autos, the cost of adding AMS capability was negligible. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 21:33:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81973 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 04:33:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 04:33:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 04:33:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96979 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2008 04:33:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TTVKqyEVM1lixxliGl0nQPjVPUGGURXUDStjvzT0A.2aKC2oFsd40Ub_ZxHt2R9nBLljJOBsD8KMfks9tl1Fp6HYquA5FBiNQEcxZv6t92HnKzCi8S1IauahhsaIIg-- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:33:04 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:33:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <616405.96272.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Denon TU-680 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=5mnHi3IJxL7nnuPig1CnjKTwTDE2IOou9dtGK1B4prGyvw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Wasn't the Denon one of very few AMAX receivers? Given today's narrow band stations (some, anyway), I bet it would sound a bit off. We have a couple good stations left here in the Detroit area, most of them in Canada, that still pre-emph, but any rig with a tone control can get it fairly flat out to 10 k. George --- "Kevin T." wrote: > > I owned a TU-680 at one time, and although > everything worked on it, > > I was disappointed in the sound. The separation > was ok, but it > > just didn't produce the high notes that some of my > other am tuners > > did (even though they weren't stereo). After our > last local > > station dropped cquam, I sold the tuner. Even > though the unit had > > great published specs, it just didn't sound that > good in the real > > world, compared with other am tuners. > > The Denon follows the NRSC de-emphasis curve. Older > AM Stereo > receivers did not, and usually sound excessively > bright, especially > those from Sony (SRF-A100, etc.) because at the time > those were > introduced (1983), it was thought that the > proliferation of wideband > AM receivers would allow AM stations to discontinue > the use of > pre-emphasis. Of course, wideband AM receivers > didn't exactly take > over the marketplace, so the NRSC curve was created > as a compromise > to make a station sound the best it can on both > traditional > narrowband mono AM receivers as well as on wideband > AM Stereo > receivers. > > I have a TU-680NAB and I have no problems with it. > It is not the > best tuner for AM DXing, because its fixed bandwidth > IF filter just > doesn't provide the needed selectivity. But if you > have a local > AM Stereo (or even wideband mono AM) station, it > will sound > fantastic. The TU-680NAB also has excellent FM > reception and sound > quality -- mine pulls in FM signals almost as well > as a good OEM car > radio (Delco, Chrysler, etc.), and in wideband FM > mode the stereo > separation is unbelievably wide (something like 55 > to 60 dB, compared > to the 30 dB typical to most FM Stereo receivers). > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 21:38:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54120 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 04:38:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 04:38:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 04:38:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46883 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2008 04:38:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZujuE.UVM1mAHYGM.CBCwBdJCAxkjW38uKtTJOQU1FnE_bhSK7kmBZxIZHlVwHhGcA-- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:38:29 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:38:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <472559.46069.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=R_KHjvL1C4wsDcqwSNnAgL98XkA5CHJEZEOepW84T1KxOw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 While my remark may have been partially in jest, I agree fully...AM is NO PLACE for IBOC! If all AMs went with the NRSC curve, we could have decent sound, low interference problems, and maybe even still DX at night. (sigh!) And as for bad engineering...AMEN! BTW, what do you know about Kahn's competing system to IBOC, CAM-D? Heard any stations using it? Supposed to be one west of Detroit a ways, I may get over that way in July and get day/night recordings of it. George --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > wrote: > > > > FM? perfect place for it, > > Considering most radio listenership is FM, yes it's > the better band. > 1610 AM doesn't work so well for the local CalTrans > TIS, but on FM, it > actually reaches most of the county. The call is > KMKE-LP 98.1. > > > and IBOC, too!!! (LOL) > > Actually, there are fewer problems with IBOC on FM, > and most of the > growth for IBOC has been on FM. It might survive > there- Who knows? It > certainly doesn't work for AM, even violating the > very spirit of > non-interference with adjacent channels. (I don't > like bad > engineering- I think I've pointed that out many, > many times.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Apr 09 21:50:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80208 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 04:50:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 04:50:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 04:50:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54219 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2008 04:50:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: l.IN2NMVM1kwb0CLmiXYwomFJzaI1dX92nwX8hMLfC9mZoOcVDSTKmIjKrl_ZywjxWoHKd1Q_Hv2O3MpoRil_Fe83stv2nHSlKAvz8dVxtgNwlA7BRmxiaP0qydBhg-- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:50:05 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:50:05 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <45483.52912.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo receivers and tuners X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=MoStw4HsYVgPq_OwvBxdel4eAWSj840Nk_Bx1CxIMCso3w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Ripple may not be a problem, first color TV on the market (RCA CT-100) had 7 video IFs, all stagger tuned, and NTSC is definitely an I/Q system. (Magnavox/PMX inventor Bob Streeter told me that is where C-QUAM inventors got their inspiration, and I believe him!) Anyway, in the 70's I worked in a TV shop, and we still stagger-tuned 'em then, with no adverse effects on color demodulation. Of course, that was a very wide passband, and the color took up only a fraction of it. Maybe at a narrower 30 kHz., problem is bigger? I'm still learning... George --- Sotiris wrote: > reading comments about the Denon DU-680 I'm not so > sure if it's worth > it... If that is the case both on quality of it, and > the audio > fidelity at AMS then the Carver's will surely hold > their place at my > lab... > George, I do have few T&M equipments, not much, but > should fit for > the job... I think :) > However I know about detuning IF cascade firters to > widening the IF > passband, but this also inserts or increases ripple > all over the > newer passband, and also changes the total group > delay of the IF > system, and that is not so good for IQ related > signals... while at > mono that should not be a problem. > Problem is that most digital tuners with AMS use > 450KHz IF filters, > and I have been lucky enough to find only 455KHz IF > ceramic filters > with a passband of 30KHz!!! Still thinking if I > should make a tuner > as a product. Meducci has however a good unit AFIK. > Not digital > tuning, and without many blips, blinking scrolling > messages & other > christmas lights at it, but it works properly, isn't > it? > If half the radio makers followed that method (pay > for a good > electronic design) instead of giving huge amounts > taken from the R&D > funds for the "P orche" external designs of a crap > circuitry, then > AMS tuners will be all around as a standard since > now. And if tuners > were available then no station will even thing to > turn off the AMS!I > do know that first hand, as I was chief engineer at > one of the > biggest FM stations of Greece, and when we faced a > problem that we > had to turn off the stereo, I've faced incredible > questions for the > reason we were running at mono for 2 days, even > though we were a > news/sports station, without a real need for stereo > 24/7/365... and > the most silly thing is that those questions came 2 > weeks after we > had returned to it! > > For am receivers, do believe me that it isn't the > less than 30c/pc > value of the needed extra components to make their > tuners IF wide to > pass at least an acceptable audio at AMS... Its that > the money from > R&D of the electronic part moved all the way to the > marketing/face > design people... > Their basic reason? > Believe it or not: known as W.A.F or Wife Acceptance > Factor for all > consumer electronics! to the high-end people :) > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Apr 10 00:37:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61791 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 07:37:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 07:37:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.146) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 07:37:00 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 07:37:00 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 07:37:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 07:37:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:37:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.63 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=0uxkuAdhcbFjCnykUxIGFsn4PM1QRUnVmBzwgZhqDLkwMTo1QA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > > > FM? perfect place for it,=20 >=20 > Considering most radio listenership is FM, yes it's the better=20 band. > 1610 AM doesn't work so well for the local CalTrans TIS, but on=20 FM, it > actually reaches most of the county. The call is KMKE-LP 98.1. >=20 > > and IBOC, too!!! (LOL) >=20 > Actually, there are fewer problems with IBOC on FM, and most of the > growth for IBOC has been on FM. It might survive there- Who knows?=20 It > certainly doesn't work for AM, even violating the very spirit of > non-interference with adjacent channels. (I don't like bad > engineering- I think I've pointed that out many, many times.) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Amy!!! It's so nice to me to read your last opinion about IBOC but I have a=20 great doubt: Why in the WIKIPEDIA web site we can read about "more than 1000 IBOC=20 stations 'working' in USA"? and Why we can see a lot of efforts to=20 try to "get/force in" IBOC into the Latin American market and,=20 apparently, nobody does any to show the truth about it? Some idea? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From keith1226@yahoo.com Thu Apr 10 00:56:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19939 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2008 07:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2008 07:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.113) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2008 07:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 07:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 07:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2008 07:56:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:56:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.197.193.155 From: "Keith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hee-Haw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=J_HFuOgzf8mlAQbArnb0dJCO6UrgmEDUWWieK1CxWmCQ3HUc X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Juan,=20 The answer is probably that traditional, over-the-air, radio broadcasting in the USA is fighting for its life against internet radio, satellite radio, mp3 players, et cetera, and the company that owns the proprietary "IBOC" technology has convinced many broadcasters that they need something "digital" to compete. Whether the listening public really wants or needs it is still an open question at this point.=20 Keith Beesley in Seattle WA --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 > wrote: > > > > > > FM? perfect place for it,=20 > >=20 > > Considering most radio listenership is FM, yes it's the better=20 > band. > > 1610 AM doesn't work so well for the local CalTrans TIS, but on=20 > FM, it > > actually reaches most of the county. The call is KMKE-LP 98.1. > >=20 > > > and IBOC, too!!! (LOL) > >=20 > > Actually, there are fewer problems with IBOC on FM, and most of the > > growth for IBOC has been on FM. It might survive there- Who knows?=20 > It > > certainly doesn't work for AM, even violating the very spirit of > > non-interference with adjacent channels. (I don't like bad > > engineering- I think I've pointed that out many, many times.) > >=20 > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > >=20 > Hi Amy!!! >=20 > It's so nice to me to read your last opinion about IBOC but I have a=20 > great doubt: >=20 > Why in the WIKIPEDIA web site we can read about "more than 1000 IBOC=20 > stations 'working' in USA"? and Why we can see a lot of efforts to=20 > try to "get/force in" IBOC into the Latin American market and,=20 > apparently, nobody does any to show the truth about it? >=20 > Some idea? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sun Apr 20 19:31:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39318 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2008 02:31:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2008 02:31:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.250) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2008 02:31:50 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2008 02:31:50 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2008 02:31:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2008 02:31:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:31:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <616405.96272.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.36.222.123 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Denon TU-680 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=RMsb2Lc_-TpAsF43UxmHiavYLwH3IPS6e9aukCca15_0fIEoPoKcVSJv X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I have the Denon tuner and had no problems with the AM, although it=20 could use a super-narrow switch for selectivity. All the stations=20 sounded better than "normal" AM. My problem with this tuner was the FM. It was literally sent from=20 coast-to-coast and back to fix the problem but there was just no way=20 even the manufacturer could solve it. The FM would switch back and=20 forth between stereo and mono repeatedly and when it was fixed, I would=20 test it and it would last for a few seconds, make this wretching noise=20 and go back to it's old problem. Naturally all this happened after the=20 model was discontinued and I turned-down an offer to replace it because=20 I bought it for the AM-Stereo to begin with. I'll use my receiver's FM=20 but that's no biggie since who listens to FM anyway? I also have the Radio Shack AM-Stereo tuner which has good selectivity=20 but I like the bandwith of the Denon better. I have the Sony SRF-A100=20 which is the brightest sounding radio. I won it from the late Jack=20 Armstrong at KFRC in 1983. Jay Arnold will attest to the sound since I=20 sent him my recording of the last day of KYA using the Sony. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 08:18:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17859 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2008 15:18:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2008 15:18:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2008 15:18:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80175 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2008 15:18:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EXPYgKMVM1kpn0DZCpoh.TU0YjN.fOiQJdTKCGc5XsviTU3BK8MHgdoqdVOHRs8Vj69cZ3Y0R15p5j7xd1QJ9ng2uSjjhvsUGikVTU3qTLvRHAz1Z1_.Kg-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:18:29 PDT Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:18:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <902577.79527.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: AMAX Needed in 1983 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=x4Yr4fOD1qiALa40S1yQ3X5cemokguVbj_y-rAN64Ja05GPwhlV21vc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio When the big CQuam AM Stereo push was active in the early 80's, it's too bad that Moto didn't make sure that there was an AMAX standard of sorts back then, as super narrow bandwidth AM radios with stereo didn't do much to help keep music on AM in stereo. If all the radios of the day had the super-wide bandwidth of the SRF-A100, I think it would have been a different story, and some of the 50KW stations today would be like a 'satellite radio' "Superstation" with stereo music 24/7. Some of the radios were pretty decent, but just didn't have very wide bandwidth. Some of the better/wider bandwidth AM stereo radios included the aforementioned Sony SRF-A100, Delco UX-1, Chrysler radios with the 5-band EQ, the Denon and Carver tuners, and of course, the Fanfare FTA-100P. I have not used it, but the tuner made by Jeff Deck, one of our own group members in Michigan, is wide bandwidth stereo AM as well. John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 09:27:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9687 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2008 16:27:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2008 16:27:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2008 16:27:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31398 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2008 16:27:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1y3cA3wVM1l1LykCg8MZv61ce7.ScjJ3ZpfZqp6YozktPfH94Oo1ma.KNnVXwDLEoG6pjHwzUhzSuJOsbz6JvPoiV3oM46S2n.pGbunv7fGME6v2O8sCJ0XI5O0- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:27:30 PDT Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:27:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <589973.30782.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Denon TU-680 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Xb4jvjmA-CCm9XqyS1SOa_p26767AvY5QwuC04J2uMSr9A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I also thought the SRF-A100 was a bit bright. I was told that because the decoder was basically a Magnavox type, receiving C-QUAM on it produced a bit of even-harmonic distortion that could "brighten" the sound. BUT, I still thought it was an excellent radio over-all! I miss mine a lot, had to sell it during lean times, but with the promise that I would get first chance at it if the new owner decided to sell it. The "forced-stereo" feature spawned a clever DX trick, even on mono signals, via a simple gadget in the headphone line. (more on that if anyone is interested) BTW, Eric Culp, past CE at WOWO, thought so highly of that radio, that he used to keep one hanging around his neck while at work. He told me he preferred the sound to that of the "official" PMX monitor in the rack! George --- Tom wrote: > I have the Denon tuner and had no problems with the > AM, although it > could use a super-narrow switch for selectivity. > All the stations > sounded better than "normal" AM. > > My problem with this tuner was the FM. It was > literally sent from > coast-to-coast and back to fix the problem but there > was just no way > even the manufacturer could solve it. The FM would > switch back and > forth between stereo and mono repeatedly and when it > was fixed, I would > test it and it would last for a few seconds, make > this wretching noise > and go back to it's old problem. Naturally all this > happened after the > model was discontinued and I turned-down an offer to > replace it because > I bought it for the AM-Stereo to begin with. I'll > use my receiver's FM > but that's no biggie since who listens to FM anyway? > > I also have the Radio Shack AM-Stereo tuner which > has good selectivity > but I like the bandwith of the Denon better. I have > the Sony SRF-A100 > which is the brightest sounding radio. I won it > from the late Jack > Armstrong at KFRC in 1983. Jay Arnold will attest > to the sound since I > sent him my recording of the last day of KYA using > the Sony. > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 09:29:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4409 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2008 16:29:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2008 16:29:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2008 16:29:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 41072 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2008 16:29:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: S7vTzUkVM1lNROV.CzLWRIe.vacao4Y_kKV6N.SgSHvCulUzMDcgrjNMYBdwPieW2XE7FLCZGwrF7MBtEj0BzeBX.qaeRGghpbZeo3Za5tHX502HObXfHDBJHOM- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:29:48 PDT Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:29:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <276488.38031.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Denon TU-680 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=sw7rCiksCnWovZ7tGNw1ycR8Wra31Qtqw7BT4ot_s6wgIg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Could "brightness" also have been because the SRF-A100 did not de-emph the NRSC curve? (tone control did help some, I thought) G --- Tom wrote: > I have the Denon tuner and had no problems with the > AM, although it > could use a super-narrow switch for selectivity. > All the stations > sounded better than "normal" AM. > > My problem with this tuner was the FM. It was > literally sent from > coast-to-coast and back to fix the problem but there > was just no way > even the manufacturer could solve it. The FM would > switch back and > forth between stereo and mono repeatedly and when it > was fixed, I would > test it and it would last for a few seconds, make > this wretching noise > and go back to it's old problem. Naturally all this > happened after the > model was discontinued and I turned-down an offer to > replace it because > I bought it for the AM-Stereo to begin with. I'll > use my receiver's FM > but that's no biggie since who listens to FM anyway? > > I also have the Radio Shack AM-Stereo tuner which > has good selectivity > but I like the bandwith of the Denon better. I have > the Sony SRF-A100 > which is the brightest sounding radio. I won it > from the late Jack > Armstrong at KFRC in 1983. Jay Arnold will attest > to the sound since I > sent him my recording of the last day of KYA using > the Sony. > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 12:36:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61933 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2008 19:36:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2008 19:36:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.191) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2008 19:36:16 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2008 19:36:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2008 19:36:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2008 19:36:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:36:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <902577.79527.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.79 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: AMAX Needed in 1983 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=6XtEtfefkqLEgvv3t-ms5ybhMMcbUZwGW6lb4Hn4WCigcTQ1lQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > When the big CQuam AM Stereo push was active in the early 80's,=20 it's > too bad that Moto didn't make sure that there was an AMAX standard=20 of > sorts back then, as super narrow bandwidth AM radios with stereo=20 didn't > do much to help keep music on AM in stereo. If all the radios of=20 the > day had the super-wide bandwidth of the SRF-A100, I think it would=20 have > been a different story, and some of the 50KW stations today would=20 be > like a 'satellite radio' "Superstation" with stereo music 24/7.=20=20 > Some of the radios were pretty decent, but just didn't have very=20 wide > bandwidth. Some of the better/wider bandwidth AM stereo radios > included the aforementioned Sony SRF-A100, Delco UX-1, Chrysler=20 radios > with the 5-band EQ, the Denon and Carver tuners, and of course, the > Fanfare FTA-100P. I have not used it, but the tuner made by Jeff=20 Deck, > one of our own group members in Michigan, is wide bandwidth stereo=20 AM > as well. >=20 > John >=20 What could we do now? or Could we do something about it, now? or Is=20 there someone doing something about it, now? I mean, in the market=20 place arena. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 18:23:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55978 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2008 01:23:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2008 01:23:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.176) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2008 01:23:11 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 01:23:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 01:23:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 01:23:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:23:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <902577.79527.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.200 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: AMAX Needed in 1983 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=jBRIdZVYQJWTBgDAQ5cpaILQR2rI0AAmEZS1q3f9EPaQx8n6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > When the big CQuam AM Stereo push was active in the early 80's, it's > too bad that Moto didn't make sure that there was an AMAX standard of > sorts back then, as super narrow bandwidth AM radios with stereo didn't > do much to help keep music on AM in stereo. If all the radios of the > day had the super-wide bandwidth of the SRF-A100, I think it would have > been a different story, and some of the 50KW stations today would be > like a 'satellite radio' "Superstation" with stereo music 24/7.=20=20 That would be so easy to say, but that isn't true. The real culprits were the combination of lower advertising rates (FM had more listeners, so stations charged more for advertising), bad marketing consultation advice, and most of all, ROYALTIES. Prior to '87-'88, stations regularly sent out promos for airplay. Now, they must pay royalty fees if they want to play any of the RIAA-clearinghouse material. Because of the lower ad intake, it became harder to justify music. It got CONSIDERABLY worse after 1996. :( RCA in the '50s and '60s recommended an NRSC curve and pre-emphasis (which I've read in their 1961 paper on AM stereo), and specifically tailored their AM/FM system to fit within a 10.2kHz mask to cause the least interference. The trouble is, unlike the phonograph industry, there has not been anything like a standard-bearer like the RIAA was originally, for receivers, although it can be said that aside from budget throwaway transistor radios, most radios up until the '80s were very good sounding, even on AM. It deteriorated badly when "CHEAPER is BETTER" was pushed on consumers... Gone are the days when a good radio cost almost as much as a new car...and EVERYBODY had to have one! :) Wouldn't matter anyway, since the RIAA got greedy, blame used records, cassettes and MP3s for taking their money away from them...and very little of it gets to the performers! :P > Some of the radios were pretty decent, but just didn't have very wide > bandwidth. Some of the better/wider bandwidth AM stereo radios > included the aforementioned Sony SRF-A100, Delco UX-1, Chrysler radios > with the 5-band EQ, the Denon and Carver tuners, and of course, the > Fanfare FTA-100P. I have not used it, but the tuner made by Jeff Deck, > one of our own group members in Michigan, is wide bandwidth stereo AM > as well. The 'A100 just about meets AMAX standards....on the narrow setting. :) Far exceeds it in wide. :) I'll never part with mine, nuh-uh! :D It even exceeds the NRSC mask, which is why listeners often complain about it being so bright. :) (The NRSC mask is greater than the AMAX standard, since AMAX was designed for a minimum, rather than a peak performance.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 18:34:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22869 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2008 01:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2008 01:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.23) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2008 01:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 01:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 01:34:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:34:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <589973.30782.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.200 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Denon TU-680 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=D3MGs7Ht38ewsqnj4jnYjVDjonHG6pSmf7T4g9tss5c0_pc3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > I also thought the SRF-A100 was a bit bright. I was > told that because the decoder was basically a Magnavox > type, receiving C-QUAM on it produced a bit of > even-harmonic distortion that could "brighten" the > sound. BUT, I still thought it was an excellent radio > over-all! Actually, because it's flat to about 12kHz, exceeding the NRSC curve, and can taper out up to the 20kHz mark... :) On narrow, it's flat to 7kHz, tapering out to about 11 or 12. :) =20 > I miss mine a lot, had to sell it during lean times, > but with the promise that I would get first chance at > it if the new owner decided to sell it. > The "forced-stereo" feature spawned a clever DX trick, > even on mono signals, via a simple gadget in the > headphone line. (more on that if anyone is > interested) I miss my original, too- It was destroyed in the triple earthquakes more than 15 years ago. :( A friend here gave me a "new" one that actually worked even better than my original, and there's no bloody way I'm gomnna part with it! :) And yes, the forced-stereo detection (detect on carrier) has made, and still does, an EXCELLENT DXing tool, and even with the additional phase noise, it actually pulls signals out from the din better than in strict mono. :) =20 > BTW, Eric Culp, past CE at WOWO, thought so highly of > that radio, that he used to keep one hanging around > his neck while at work. He told me he preferred the > sound to that of the "official" PMX monitor in the > rack! I would have LOVED to have heard Magnavox in the field.. Heck, even the RCA/Belar, or for that matter, original RCA systems- What an experience those would've been! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 18:37:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85045 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2008 01:37:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2008 01:37:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.139) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2008 01:37:26 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n12.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 01:37:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 01:37:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 01:37:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:37:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <276488.38031.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Denon TU-680 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=l6p9_kXK0bdRQiJyFyrcC6M4kihVcJvD0rSV9bMU35x3tOh1 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Could "brightness" also have been because the SRF-A100 > did not=20 > de-emph the NRSC curve? (tone control did help some, I > thought) If you ran it through a Dolby or DNR filter, it did sound better... But not only were there no de-emphasis, it was also much wider than recommended. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From keith1226@yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 19:22:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70683 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2008 02:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2008 02:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.107) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2008 02:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 02:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 02:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 02:22:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:22:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Keith" Subject: Zenith (OT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=wVaZYutcpSoB0L7RtqaY9ESaH2QegzrRMHCpOB2iXcxkqmxD X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Not AMS, but I found a great sounding portable at my local thrift store=20 a few weeks ago. It's a Zenith Continental 6 band (the other four,=20 besides AM (to 1610) and FM are VHF and UHF--weather, airplanes, etc.=20 Says "Made in Japan" on the back; no model number (made for Zenith by=20 Sony or Panasonic?). I heartily recommend it if you can find one :-).=20 Still have to clean it up; looks like it was sitting in someone's attic=20 for years, but I popped some batteries in and whoa! It's the best- sounding portable I've ever heard (with the possible exception of a GE=20 Super). I would imagine it's a contemporary of the last Trans-Oceanics.=20 Keith B.=20=20 From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 21:22:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47050 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2008 04:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2008 04:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.110) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2008 04:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 04:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 04:22:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 04:22:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:22:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Zenith (OT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=3Q_ovnLJy5iFTr_PFBYOK_tr-9f772LKKaTMzWYdA7hELiFo X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" wrote: > > Not AMS, but I found a great sounding portable at my local thrift store=20 > a few weeks ago. It's a Zenith Continental 6 band (the other four,=20 > besides AM (to 1610) and FM are VHF and UHF--weather, airplanes, etc.=20 > Says "Made in Japan" on the back; no model number (made for Zenith by=20 > Sony or Panasonic?). I heartily recommend it if you can find one :-).=20 > Still have to clean it up; looks like it was sitting in someone's attic=20 > for years, but I popped some batteries in and whoa! It's the best- > sounding portable I've ever heard (with the possible exception of a GE=20 > Super). >=20 > I would imagine it's a contemporary of the last Trans-Oceanics.=20 Probably '60s or '70s- I think the latter, although it'd be helpful (maybe) if there was at least a picture. Portables of this type were very common in the '70s, and really did sound nice. :) My first working SW radio was similar- AM, FM (mono), SW in 4 bands (6, 9, 12 and 15MHz), with VHF police/fire/weather- It was a Westminster (Montgomery Ward), and it did sound good. :) Had it for 5 years before it wore out... :( Couple years ago, I bought on eBay a relatively rare RCA braille radio- AM, FM VHF-TV and UHF-TV audio, built between the late '60s and mid '70s- It sounds great! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Apr 22 07:48:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62538 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2008 14:48:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2008 14:48:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2008 14:48:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61159 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Apr 2008 14:48:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mUuAPDoVM1kHk94d8q.T40_hcSMm8DXQQYvAZWdnLM.BTU09I9umSdx77cCM5oipn7khoa0fqaN_SNRiIKEmfyE.xyKHlQwQ4NWp X-Received: from [209.213.19.45] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:48:16 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:48:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <307516.61089.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Zenith (OT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Vlg4b5uV3vNUuL6QkHL_EqU_1DccY_i0cpV0ja2mgb0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Keith wrote: > Not AMS, but I found a great sounding portable at my > local thrift store > a few weeks ago. It's a Zenith Continental 6 band > (the other four, > besides AM (to 1610) and FM are VHF and > UHF--weather, airplanes, etc. The BEST sounding AM radio is the GE P-780. They were made in the late 50's, and after a recap and if needed, an alignment, the sound makes the SuperRadio series sound limp. It has almost a "cult" following. Of the SuperRadios the first model not a I as there was no such thing, has much better bass response as the speaker is larger. I got one at a flea market in excellent shape except no FM antenna rod ( who cares). If I want to listen to FM an alligator clip to the antenna terminals works fine. I have a portable that RCA made somethime AFTER 1969. It has the new logo. I paid 50 cents for it. It worked only on FM and looked nearly unused. After working the bandswitch numerous times it came into life. It covers longwave, the BC all the way to 30 megahertz and FM. It runs on 6 or 8 C cells. The main problem is the battery door is a poor design, and can pop off. EXCELLENT performer and sound. It's a good bit heavier than any of the SuperRadio series. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Apr 22 11:34:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8313 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2008 18:34:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2008 18:34:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.215) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2008 18:34:26 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 18:34:26 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 18:34:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2008 18:34:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:34:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <307516.61089.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Zenith (OT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=MbbGOJBLLRFkQdR5XR9xD_8WGP3Dxiw9qSyvpOLxj61bPhMDog X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III W4OPW"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- Keith wrote: >=20 > > Not AMS, but I found a great sounding portable at my > > local thrift store=20 > > a few weeks ago. It's a Zenith Continental 6 band > > (the other four,=20 > > besides AM (to 1610) and FM are VHF and > > UHF--weather, airplanes, etc.=20 >=20 >=20 > The BEST sounding AM radio is the GE P-780. They were > made in the late 50's, and after a recap and if > needed, an alignment, the sound makes the SuperRadio > series sound limp. It has almost a "cult" following.=20 > Of the SuperRadios the first model not a I as there > was no such thing, has much better bass response as > the speaker is larger. I got one at a flea market in > excellent shape except no FM antenna rod ( who cares). > If I want to listen to FM an alligator clip to the > antenna terminals works fine.=20 >=20 > I have a portable that RCA made somethime AFTER 1969. > It has the new logo. I paid 50 cents for it. It worked > only on FM and looked nearly unused. After working the > bandswitch numerous times it came into life. It covers > longwave, the BC all the way to 30 megahertz and FM. > It runs on 6 or 8 C cells. The main problem is the > battery door is a poor design, and can pop off. > EXCELLENT performer and sound. It's a good bit heavier > than any of the SuperRadio series. >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > I had an old Grundig table top radio with an excellent AM sound. I=20 guess it was from the 50s because it had vacuum tubes. The cabinet=20 was wood and had two speakers (bass and treble). I don't remember=20 the model but it was well-known in those fantastic years. If the today AMAX receiver had earphone output and the capability to=20 work with 2 AA cells, it would be nice!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Apr 22 11:39:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90058 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2008 18:39:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2008 18:39:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2008 18:39:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 56445 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Apr 2008 18:39:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ltIDeQQVM1l6wPV.IYeojjhzcDQrj9RquDSb_TchBPfxgUH9GoRdJ7hpBpnK_3yys2tw7ONNlWhaKHhTZsmIgm62XRF0WkXB0BSE X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:39:27 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:39:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <561690.55930.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Zenith (OT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=oFcY8vA3rhXEAES-UcLHW0tbiWAL4i_HDVh_Jfi9G0o X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- jotape1960 wrote: > I had an old Grundig table top radio with an > excellent AM sound. I > guess it was from the 50s because it had vacuum > tubes. The cabinet > was wood and had two speakers (bass and treble). I > don't remember > the model but it was well-known in those fantastic > years. And these are BETTER than AMAX. > If the today AMAX receiver had earphone output and > the capability to > work with 2 AA cells, it would be nice!!! > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Find a SRF-42a Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Apr 22 12:41:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61446 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2008 19:41:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2008 19:41:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2008 19:41:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 47481 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Apr 2008 19:41:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nhlAu7sVM1nlOJlOmeVVrh_BxAIsVrzjrtD0NA3gAL85cjBj6AC6EjjUyas.JztyizShLx.QHnPw.zpoLymUIyn_6T_5u_Eg4_eXPOg1GCPKnQoSPotNozg3Fcw- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:41:44 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:41:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <561690.55930.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <541061.47399.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Zenith (OT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=xgRIIkxAIWNrKXc8NQ3JTnjq637mov55OpL5XjwdsxmbhQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Those old Grundigs are great! I still have one, made in '51, has the five-band EQ, the magic eye tube, even an electrostatic tweeter. After all this time, all it's ever needed was a couple tubes and a dial lamp, no bad caps yet. Still sounds great today. I used to work on those beasts in the shop, nobody else wanted to touch them, for fear they might need a 6-foot dial cord, hah-hah! Yes, some of those early transistor portables sounded pretty good on AM. I found a Continental 11-transistor AM/FM/SW at an antique radio show for $10, grabbed it because it looked to be in good shape. Found out the small lamps for each band are tuning indicators...tune for dimmest light. This thing sounds better than anything they are selling today, if you can find an AM station that still puts out the whole bandwidth. Best portables I ever remember owning was a Nordmende Globetrotter, something like 11 bands, with each of the shortwave broadcast bands spread the whole length of the dial, and a Magnavox D-2999, which did everything but cook dinner for me! All these oldies seem to be going up in value now, some of them ebay-ing for way more than a few years ago...get 'em while ya can! BTW, anybody know of a simple circuit that will step 1.5 v. up to 65-90 vdc.? I have a couple really nice tube portables left, but the "B" batteries are scarce and sky-high in price. 8 of the 9-volts won't fit in one of them, and even that is getting pricey these days. George --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > > --- jotape1960 wrote: > > > I had an old Grundig table top radio with an > > excellent AM sound. I > > guess it was from the 50s because it had vacuum > > tubes. The cabinet > > was wood and had two speakers (bass and treble). I > > don't remember > > the model but it was well-known in those fantastic > > years. > > > And these are BETTER than AMAX. > > > > If the today AMAX receiver had earphone output and > > the capability to > > work with 2 AA cells, it would be nice!!! > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Find a SRF-42a > > > Powell > > > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Apr 22 17:15:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84399 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2008 00:15:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2008 00:15:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s27.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.227) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2008 00:15:20 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W43 ([64.4.19.143]) by bay0-omc3-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:12:37 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:12:37 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <561690.55930.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <561690.55930.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2008 00:12:37.0848 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCDAED80:01C8A4D6] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: B Battery Eliminator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=sXjMvaO6W_b81nLhNaNiA-hqA2tQ7SWimfH66o30Jaj7CinKOuAE X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone on this forum asked for a B Battery eliminator. Check http://www.tubesandmore.com/ MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: w4opw@yahoo.comDate: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:39:27 -0700Subject: Re: {AMSF} Zenith (OT) --- jotape1960 wrote:> I had an old Grundig table top radio with an> excellent AM sound. I > guess it was from the 50s because it had vacuum> tubes. The cabinet > was wood and had two speakers (bass and treble). I> don't remember > the model but it was well-known in those fantastic> years.And these are BETTER than AMAX. > If the today AMAX receiver had earphone output and> the capability to > work with 2 AA cells, it would be nice!!!> > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!!Find a SRF-42aPowellNNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Apr 23 11:25:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2564 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2008 18:25:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2008 18:25:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2008 18:25:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24483 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2008 18:25:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FeNRxEcVM1kBiinVK.X4AsyAQbUtZ7EqPhlY7Ua1sWi2sHN9utyH9XJYmpsJiZGo.hrnr7FLWxLfEUj39hYB.aMmOpy6iP89Tx8CcuzZIo07WgaIIi790O25kSw- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:25:32 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:25:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <918316.22607.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} B Battery Eliminator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=UsJmiG14cnW6pLOg8D4rdFOYcQMI99JJyDI7W70OAz3LgA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Thanks! I checked, but all they have are outboard power supplies. Looking for a small inverter to step up 1.5 v. to 67.5 v., so that the radio can still be used away from power lines, and self-contained. I've built such devices for powering fluorescent lights, but getting one to run on only 1.5 v. is the big challenge. Any ideas welcome! This is OT, so any help is welcome to my email address...thanks! George --- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > > Someone on this forum asked for a B Battery > eliminator. Check http://www.tubesandmore.com/ > > MTGC (Michael) > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: > w4opw@yahoo.comDate: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:39:27 > -0700Subject: Re: {AMSF} Zenith (OT) > > > > > --- jotape1960 wrote:> I had > an old Grundig table top radio with an> excellent AM > sound. I > guess it was from the 50s because it had > vacuum> tubes. The cabinet > was wood and had two > speakers (bass and treble). I> don't remember > the > model but it was well-known in those fantastic> > years.And these are BETTER than AMAX. > If the today > AMAX receiver had earphone output and> the > capability to > work with 2 AA cells, it would be > nice!!!> > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!!Find a > SRF-42aPowellNNNN POP email is powell at backroads > DOT net > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Apr 23 18:04:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29167 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2008 01:04:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2008 01:04:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2008 01:04:24 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.120] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080423200356100495800010> for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:03:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00a001c8a5a7$50c3f480$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <918316.22607.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:03:56 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} B Battery Eliminator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Hvjbkp_6l7UHColl0T0ESUKFpxE9WsFWst0hzD0pHg6HvqdVVKBx X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a guy in Australia who designed one that worked on four penlight cells. Used a torroidal transformer in reverse and it was small enough to fit inside a 67.5v battery carton. Unfortunately there's no way to turn it off using the radio's power switch without some modification. Saw it a couple years ago on the Antique Radio Forum. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 1:25 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} B Battery Eliminator Thanks! I checked, but all they have are outboard power supplies. Looking for a small inverter to step up 1.5 v. to 67.5 v., so that the radio can still be used away from power lines, and self-contained. I've built such devices for powering fluorescent lights, but getting one to run on only 1.5 v. is the big challenge. Any ideas welcome! This is OT, so any help is welcome to my email address...thanks! George --- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > > Someone on this forum asked for a B Battery > eliminator. Check http://www.tubesandmore.com/ > > MTGC (Michael) > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: > w4opw@yahoo.comDate: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:39:27 > -0700Subject: Re: {AMSF} Zenith (OT) > > > > > --- jotape1960 wrote:> I had > an old Grundig table top radio with an> excellent AM > sound. I > guess it was from the 50s because it had > vacuum> tubes. The cabinet > was wood and had two > speakers (bass and treble). I> don't remember > the > model but it was well-known in those fantastic> > years.And these are BETTER than AMAX. > If the today > AMAX receiver had earphone output and> the > capability to > work with 2 AA cells, it would be > nice!!!> > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!!Find a > SRF-42aPowellNNNN POP email is powell at backroads > DOT net > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/08 11:31 AM --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Apr 23 18:14:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77273 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2008 01:14:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2008 01:14:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2008 01:14:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 47905 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2008 01:14:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UZTEtF0VM1mTC5uh9dqqgOWb3E9LhS1E837IdDLtKP91kbBTwf28tQfIDUa5sr5SUb5yD.6ommPtEuMw0o5v7STt.ejd959Oh3ng X-Received: from [209.213.19.9] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:14:39 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:14:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00a001c8a5a7$50c3f480$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <276237.47485.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} B Battery Eliminator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=-of5HW9FYKLRmO3jfx36IPr497m2DaKsPuNU-cWJXBA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW The 67.5 volt batteries are still availabe and you can make a pack up with 9V batteries and they will fit in most radios. The price on the 67.5 battery is not THAT bad yet. But the 90 volt ones don't exist, nor do the ones that have A and B combos. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Apr 24 08:34:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24765 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2008 15:34:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2008 15:34:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2008 15:34:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4601 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2008 15:34:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hXhVi3AVM1lsRWLrtmqvfQ3XAgj0zB7sK0.enFJrsbIDDXX9ZVfUIeJBReOmHPVoXUrtJpavycH2tUKrd2JN9pwENLd79c1ym34YHwgiY5hpUjjnpIM.4Q-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:34:31 PDT Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:34:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <257582.3580.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: B Battery Eliminator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=KTqGKfJJrrz1u3HP6_JLByQHLuypYeN9Kt5Fob8HACi7JMz6Cc_Mr7Y X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio don't these torrid voltage units develop a lot of RF hash? J.E. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Apr 24 11:54:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72300 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2008 18:54:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2008 18:54:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2008 18:54:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26566 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2008 18:54:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iFbUuWYVM1nnggk2Z1tpeMy.cTCWTQDissLo7WU4AGSjUqNp6sTfu3RdCKPtoRFjKxRdHZm7imZSKNiJBQjgblIPbvbL8SFp3KQYzHwDxPM29lAoSfEZJsD9FRo- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:54:51 PDT Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:54:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <257582.3580.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <650993.26169.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: B Battery Eliminator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=DXC5NFnNXJTw1dACdoTyE5R8dpjekHjvAwEejb5KHoZzPw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Not if you use less-efficient sine waves. I saw a clever A/B pack for sale, that replaces the huge Zenith Transoceanic combo-battery, disguised with a replica lable, and containing 8 "D" cells. Quiet, and MUCH cheaper to run. Guess I should grow up and quit playing with tubes, maybe even "transistorize" the old things, but hey, I'm OLD! :>) Regards, George --- "John P." wrote: > don't these torrid voltage units develop a lot of RF > hash? > > J.E. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Apr 24 12:02:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25246 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2008 19:02:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2008 19:02:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2008 19:02:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34940 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2008 19:02:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oUdV7zsVM1m7NlyjpV2nUkA8gXb.cY5tvpQJ2VpyHA2xZqW6kchqfaXg6XYdT66kOtuOP3j0LA.cf4sYVg6RuAvnXURidaNYNz4UViNf9vexkRWx9SGxyPMj9IE- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:02:23 PDT Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:02:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <276237.47485.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <422674.33184.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} B Battery Eliminator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=OpU5Mh_5svYroMHsCzC9XdobaNnAjqUwTUGpyu82fG8iLw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Did that for one, used 2 "D" to replace the long-forgotten "G" size cell and 8 9-volt for "B", but the other radio is too cramped inside, barely bigger than a transistor portable. Maybe 4-5 bits of germanium and a little re-wiring, hah-hah! Besides 9-volts are even getting pricey...and most of them are fatter than before, won't even fit a few transistor radios I have. So much for "standards"! Regards, George! --- "Powell E. Way III W4OPW" wrote: > The 67.5 volt batteries are still availabe and you > can > make a pack up with 9V batteries and they will fit > in > most radios. The price on the 67.5 battery is not > THAT > bad yet. But the 90 volt ones don't exist, nor do > the > ones that have A and B combos. > > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Sat Apr 26 01:41:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75087 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2008 08:41:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2008 08:41:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.161) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2008 08:41:37 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2008 08:41:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2008 08:41:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2008 08:41:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:41:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "alfredotorrejon" Subject: Re: Cordless AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=J-_AD5mDdph6MDPGVNzMGJnwVwNRwpwpIgp6Hj1y4QOZu0sbZrgwLAU0 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > I built my own C-Quam decoder board in 1983 and installed it into a > Layfayette tuner; somehow I had a way to 'force' the (MC13000P?) chip > into stereo (I don't remember how, but I did) and when I had it in > "forced stereo", then I could hear cordless phones at night! I remember hearing those old cordless phones in the expanded part of the band back in the 1990s. The base would transmit to the handset around 1680 kHz, and the handset would transmit to the base on VHF (most likely in the 49 MHz band). The modulation was narrowband FM. The first time I heard one of these was around 1992 or early 1993. I sitting in the car in the high school parking lot one afternoon, and I was scanning the then-vacant expanded band frequencies out of curiosity. I heard a very weak signal on 1680 that sounded like one side of a phone conversation (the radio's narrow IF filter was providing slope detection). The second time that I heard one of these phones was one evening in 1997, while in my apartment. I was scanning the expanded band with a SRF-42. Back then, the expanded band was brand new, and in the Austin, TX area, it was virtually empty. As I recall, the narrowband FM sounded loud and distorted on the SRF-42. By the way, either on the same or another evening, I was able to DX a traveler's information station on the expanded band with the SRF-42. By the 1990s, these phones were relics, as the 46/49 MHz phones had been introduced circa 1980 or '81. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Apr 26 14:02:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36447 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2008 21:02:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2008 21:02:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2008 21:02:39 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.71] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080426160228102409900010> for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:02:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00be01c8a7e1$18d2af80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:02:28 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Cordless AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=qRxqiynF4OMTJ_CHoUuFoIMvcsi37Gjn3JQopeFSr0CntBdFjhqi X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The icon of part 15 AM stereo resurfaces! Glad to know you're still around. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: alfredotorrejon To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Apr 26 14:06:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25307 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2008 21:06:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2008 21:06:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2008 21:06:04 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.71] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080426160539102812700010> for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:05:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00de01c8a7e1$8aaf8ce0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <422674.33184.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:05:39 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} B Battery Eliminator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=hrsxMB6jdJbRPeav99r0ltoDUwQeTsrfKyPA_hrrUWoLqjmvvgjS X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You'd be better served using FETs than germaniums as they're more like tubes. I wouldn't do that to a vintage radio, though. I'll see what I can find on that eliminator and pass it along. IIRC it doesn't have too many issues with RFI. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Did that for one, used 2 "D" to replace the long-forgotten "G" size cell and 8 9-volt for "B", but the other radio is too cramped inside, barely bigger than a transistor portable. Maybe 4-5 bits of germanium and a little re-wiring, hah-hah! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat May 03 19:34:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85464 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 02:34:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 02:34:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 02:34:12 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c92.289364bf (48552) for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 22:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 22:34:36 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Sony SRF-42 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Orm0psxsGcZfX1-qVIVJ0ZkH5Xti6zdXOp8BiEr3V6YSEVaXFybta2ybsqOETj9C X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An auction for a Sony SRF-42 on ebay just closed. The auction price was north of $60. I don't know it sold for much more than than new. I have to assume the winner must be a real fan of AM Stereo and maybe a member of this group. Now all s/he needs to do is bid on an AMS station to listen to. No hard feelings. My sincerest congratulations to the winner. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat May 03 20:57:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51921 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 03:57:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 03:57:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 03:57:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 84763 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2008 03:57:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9TBnqkgVM1n0e2roDcsa0mXa_Ozngk.BoStfaD_7hqeFDnKthed_U8o850VKfuMz1MkVtXtcQrkI.gzNHxPAF7elhVzhSLT2utxvajpfwklE88lqfeWzuWaul28- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 May 2008 20:57:31 PDT Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 20:57:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <227084.82223.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-42 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=tVO8ysdfqgg4IaJmIqyB0yFicjd6o3RgeUqYtamxYe-HHw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Times MUST be tough, it wasn't that long ago that a beat-up 'A100 with dented grilles could fetch that much, and a mint one $300+. I got $150 for mine, with the box and paperwork, near-mint, maybe I should feel lucky? George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > An auction for a Sony SRF-42 on ebay just closed. > The auction price was > north of $60. I don't know it sold for much more > than than new. > > I have to assume the winner must be a real fan of AM > Stereo and maybe a > member of this group. Now all s/he needs to do is > bid on an AMS station to listen > to. > > No hard feelings. My sincerest congratulations to > the winner. > > Mike > > > ************** > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists > on > family favorites at AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat May 03 20:59:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69712 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 03:59:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 03:59:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 03:59:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 85696 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2008 03:59:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Pw8T8IoVM1mOyONWUzZ5lQgVxDebNZA0NlfyaM8gC7Tj1Wr96y9Lrw.6s6OMk.YD8Q-- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 May 2008 20:59:10 PDT Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 20:59:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <781313.85681.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-42 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=3W9ZAM0ON__oW6nuxVcKTS234W5AI2qCWMgToDgCI_0KWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Duh! Read it right, George! I read that as a "100, time for glasses! A 42 for that much IS a good sign...glad I kept mine. --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > An auction for a Sony SRF-42 on ebay just closed. > The auction price was > north of $60. I don't know it sold for much more > than than new. > > I have to assume the winner must be a real fan of AM > Stereo and maybe a > member of this group. Now all s/he needs to do is > bid on an AMS station to listen > to. > > No hard feelings. My sincerest congratulations to > the winner. > > Mike > > > ************** > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists > on > family favorites at AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From mjgrant@aol.com Sun May 04 00:13:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91055 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 07:13:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 07:13:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 07:13:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bd4.2e5dbec4 (39954) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 03:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 03:13:36 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-42 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=KIOWIm8oVwe8vO168vCBVxQ2xlgdibtO22ORKQDoZEdPBkzIsG2QSWVlrBsN4901 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can tell ya that one was headed for Mars. I knew when to quit. If I'd kept bidding, it would have gone over $100 easy. Someone really wanted it. The winning bidder probably lived in Iowa City. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun May 04 00:19:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59195 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 07:19:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 07:19:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 07:19:07 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c5b.2f375b1c (39954) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 03:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 03:19:02 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-42 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=9vFDBFNLPLlbmVMSvCkMUSa_nDXOO7UjdFJnPn7lVpz-Ue2wis7PrTHU9pN_xJ1e X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I guess it's time for trip to the auto salvage yard to look for a Delco AMS radio which I suppose I could power with a lawn tractor battery and make a "portable" radio out of it. Instead of wearing it on my belt, I could make a backpack out it and go around looking like a WWII radio guy like you see in John Wayne movies. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun May 04 02:28:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98913 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 09:28:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 09:28:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 09:28:34 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2008 09:28:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2008 09:28:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2008 09:28:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 09:28:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: Sony SRF-42 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=kyDaqqgKAvXQUCal_ZKIQFbBATHuDUSVMF0hjFY98q8 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Well if Chris Cuff who bought it isn't a real fan of AM Stereo who=20 else would be?=20 :)=20 Of course CCuff also sells his CQUAM Tx Crystal based boards, so no=20 problem for "listening" his own radio station :)=20 But on the other hand, these radios resells for much more at guys=20 abroad (as I) who need to find CQUAM capable radios to listen the=20 stations available at their country!=20 Probably this one will be sold in a month or so for at least 100U$ !=20 Sotiris=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > An auction for a Sony SRF-42 on ebay just closed. The auction=20 price was=20 > north of $60. I don't know it sold for much more than than new. >=20 > I have to assume the winner must be a real fan of AM Stereo and=20 maybe a=20 > member of this group. Now all s/he needs to do is bid on an AMS=20 station to listen=20 > to. >=20 > No hard feelings. My sincerest congratulations to the winner. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on=20 > family favorites at AOL Food. >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=3Daolfod00030000000001) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Sun May 04 09:33:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72443 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 16:33:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 16:33:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 16:33:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c04.361aa19e (14501) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 12:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 12:30:16 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=wmSXUrXlEQQCnErwsVFO6kShVQMdEmA9DeijeyZlg19NnW7E52JlXCCkyjCNCfhe X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I must have had one of those "senior moments" as I didn't notice Chris was the final bidder. Of course, he has his own "station". Doesn't look like Chris is currently selling anything. Last I heard, he wasn't answering his email because the Children of Corn got him when he went back to covertly check out KCJJ. I think the folks in Iowa City need to make another sacrifice at the base of their tower or something, because the nighttime coverage down here in River City hasn't been too good lately. Mike Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun May 04 10:23:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36758 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 17:23:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 17:23:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 17:23:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 68311 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2008 17:22:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eAUGj30VM1ls2yTbP_H85LXcnmW4sCkvUT6iJchi0q_z2rKRzvOaU31yp7PW.p6348VAOiGzjgtovDca4uzooN93jfUd1v4FR03mw3fjQSOZARdHQnPxF7tlxA-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.12] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 May 2008 10:22:58 PDT Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 10:22:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <6530.68245.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=sn5cw9oJVeC7gL-2or8I_XcDz0AeYEBG6fUYnNHRrzo X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I must have had one of those "senior moments" as I > didn't notice Chris was > the final bidder. Of course, he has his own > "station". > > Doesn't look like Chris is currently selling > anything. Last I heard, he > wasn't answering his email because the Children of > Corn got him when he went back > to covertly check out KCJJ. HUH? > I think the folks in Iowa City need to make another > sacrifice at the base of > their tower or something, because the nighttime > coverage down here in River > City hasn't been too good lately. Conditons have stunk lately especially last night. OH, a friend of mine is selling me a SRF-42 for $25. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Sun May 04 10:39:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23161 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 17:39:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 17:39:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 17:39:38 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.ca1.2f22781c (14501) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 13:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 13:39:24 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=OJh_22cMZH3nlNKldcJwy9_wpoqzOrbyVwW8LL1vV5speZuTD4av8NCACsF7BX75 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/4/08 12:23:32 PM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > OH, > a friend of mine is selling me a SRF-42 for $25. > How long had it been on the ocean floor and in how many pieces is it? ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun May 04 10:42:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34658 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 17:42:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 17:42:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 17:42:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44859 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2008 17:42:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tIUA.MQVM1n0ITsfZYB006377didw1ToP_6VRNou6OmwczbS6OtH5BuuXiIFvuaRs0i98ewP2bPoBB_YQTCd5iR756ZHCKMu8V52sWZMA32I2A1JUhmUxCiYUg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.12] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 May 2008 10:42:21 PDT Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 10:42:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <364963.44538.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=n09WzJpB-EhP_N5SPZ_x6E7_0ByCc68V4NLyFN8UCSI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/4/08 12:23:32 PM Central > Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com > writes: > > > > OH, > > a friend of mine is selling me a SRF-42 for $25. > > > > How long had it been on the ocean floor and in how > many pieces is it? In good working condition well taken care of. He didn't want to bring it east, and offered it to me at that price and yes he knows what they can go for...... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun May 04 11:47:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33820 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 18:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 18:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 18:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.141] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080504134710101137400010> for ; Sun, 04 May 2008 13:47:10 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00a301c8ae17$918a4d20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <6530.68245.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 13:47:10 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=UueCLwxc8mnmmTzV9tl0QZWOwm4Kk9hRgex_VV5uioW7WaIovQc4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You guys might want to check this out: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/30apr_4dionosphere_launch.htm From the website- Ready to fly through the ionosphere? W. Kent Tobiska, president of Space Environment Technologies, offers these simple instructions: "One, download and install Google Earth." "Two, visit our web site and click on the link 'Total Electron Content.'" In addition to total electron content, the 4D model also can be configured to display available radio frequencies, maximum usable frequencies, and the critical "bounce frequency" of the ionosphere's f2-layer-terms well known to hams and other experts. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Conditons have stunk lately especially last night. OH, a friend of mine is selling me a SRF-42 for $25. Powell --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun May 04 13:08:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56542 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 20:08:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 20:08:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.31) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 20:08:52 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so321718ywh.57 for ; Sun, 04 May 2008 13:08:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.128.20 with SMTP id a20mr6891719and.121.1209931732264; Sun, 04 May 2008 13:08:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Sun, 4 May 2008 13:08:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80805041308q6130a44cq87f4d590c7355030@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 16:08:52 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=qxhzBR2e5W7oujE6b8ch_CSCOYpw_mDGAwUNoxiGDijiy_PstLUk5jb7 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Children of The Corn? HUH??? And I heard KCJJ just about 2 weeks ago around 2AM in the morning riding backm from Greenwood, 20 miles away.. no sign of WRDW Augusta on 1630. I REALLY have to wonder how I've NEVER heard a peep from 1630 in Augusta and always hear KCJJ when I DO hear something on 1630. Paul Walker www.realradiousa.com www.radio-talk.net On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 12:30 PM, wrote: > I must have had one of those "senior moments" as I didn't notice Chris > was > the final bidder. Of course, he has his own "station". > > Doesn't look like Chris is currently selling anything. Last I heard, he > wasn't answering his email because the Children of Corn got him when he > went back > to covertly check out KCJJ. > > I think the folks in Iowa City need to make another sacrifice at the base > of > their tower or something, because the nighttime coverage down here in > River > City hasn't been too good lately. > > Mike > > Mike > > ************** > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on > family favorites at AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun May 04 13:19:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11156 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 20:19:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 20:19:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 20:19:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96037 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2008 20:19:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _yR6aZYVM1kHvVc02852E_s208z4pU5_0E1jxfpIdoJ.sNpoWc2rXku0Al.44OaktTI2SmY4taMFE14_lhQlq5yIeIPzK9VbCR34VdRMTIoxn9jZ1UyFYmAM9w-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.38] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 May 2008 13:19:48 PDT Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 13:19:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80805041308q6130a44cq87f4d590c7355030@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <503869.94460.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=-4-BRPka1pAb1CQLKvjcbJKivIgW-sPQ1ItciugRAkc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > The Children of The Corn? HUH??? > > And I heard KCJJ just about 2 weeks ago around 2AM > in the morning riding > backm from Greenwood, 20 miles away.. no sign of > WRDW Augusta on 1630. > > I REALLY have to wonder how I've NEVER heard a peep > from 1630 in Augusta and > always hear KCJJ when I DO hear something on 1630. They diplex on the old 1480 towers, and it has HORRIBLE local coverage. On nights with NO skywave they are unlistenable at 10 to 15 miles out. You and I are too close for skywave. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From ke7ief@aol.com Sun May 04 14:07:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61801 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 21:07:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 21:07:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 21:07:52 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.ce5.2f78cb28 (37251) for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 17:07:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from CWRN (71-35-127-46.tukw.qwest.net [71.35.127.46]) by cia-ma07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA071-9183481e25a02c4; Sun, 04 May 2008 17:07:45 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c8ae2a$e5916670$f74dfea9@CWRN> To: References: <6530.68245.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 14:07:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-AOL-IP: 71.35.127.46 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=7nNVqWeNr4BYE53oCNUVfSwXx4L9l-we5gc2F3XEncGNjcTXucEe X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit where do you get the christals for the chris cuff transmitter? I may be moving back to spokane wa or tosan az and 1600 is ocupied down there and my cristal is set to 1610 ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:22 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 on eBay --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I must have had one of those "senior moments" as I > didn't notice Chris was > the final bidder. Of course, he has his own > "station". > > Doesn't look like Chris is currently selling > anything. Last I heard, he > wasn't answering his email because the Children of > Corn got him when he went back > to covertly check out KCJJ. HUH? > I think the folks in Iowa City need to make another > sacrifice at the base of > their tower or something, because the nighttime > coverage down here in River > City hasn't been too good lately. Conditons have stunk lately especially last night. OH, a friend of mine is selling me a SRF-42 for $25. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun May 04 15:24:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70199 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 22:24:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2008 22:24:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 22:24:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 57987 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2008 22:24:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kbBLJ4YVM1kKDo7SY3s0TX8vUpLrh3Fau0bofPFK4_VHIf9ppDFWkqdY4fOCUBGzXiKMiwa.u4q7_.R06IhjBzNjAbobytVLJiaabOE7UeLN3RLV_T.WM7DqrfE- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 May 2008 15:24:32 PDT Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 15:24:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001801c8ae2a$e5916670$f74dfea9@CWRN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <901737.57746.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: denon TU-680 on ebay! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=9NAOOfsAfGq56620NlqCPZytuWncSES-9H9xEnv4v60q-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 If anyone want's one, there is a Denon TU-680 on Ebay for "buy it now" $250! Shipping is $20 (found it searching "am stereo", halfway down the page.) Wish I had the funds right now, I've wanted one of those puppies since they came out...hope somebody can give her a nice loving home! George ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun May 04 17:30:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31384 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 00:30:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2008 00:30:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 00:30:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50784 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2008 00:30:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qnVaMSYVM1k1Wh63sP3A9PaXlIGnSflcJWXi67DVnvHsKK2VbM3UQhmOQCiZHc_f1Pb3M5R7.0KjFfLHfDatwgRC2SD_819wJrJXE5uxtm9OUYCZoTJeDXrMgZ8- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 May 2008 17:30:35 PDT Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 17:30:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <368867.50449.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony SRF-42 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=tmDdOiuMLMrz2z9RpUrEG4OfTcIpdcauW7RpST_3y66HgA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Ah, I can picture that! G --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Well, I guess it's time for trip to the auto salvage > yard to look for a Delco > AMS radio which I suppose I could power with a lawn > tractor battery and make > a "portable" radio out of it. Instead of wearing it > on my belt, I could make > a backpack out it and go around looking like a WWII > radio guy like you see in > John Wayne movies. > > Mike > > > ************** > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists > on > family favorites at AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From mjgrant@aol.com Sun May 04 23:11:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85549 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 06:11:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2008 06:11:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 06:11:51 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.c15.13062c03 (30738) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 02:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 02:11:46 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF-42 on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Adcrx2qQ_l73sXlVPpzpmTZnxB7JC3NrM_J_p-Lujneka_yllLpkxLH2aWeNxln- X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/4/08 3:09:18 PM Central Daylight Time, walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com writes: > I REALLY have to wonder how I've NEVER heard a peep from 1630 in Augusta > and > always hear KCJJ when I DO hear something on 1630. > It's the corn and He Who Walks Behind the Towers. You need to watch that cheap horror flick to appreciate the joke. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon May 05 08:42:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94018 invoked from network); 5 May 2008 15:42:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2008 15:42:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2008 15:42:25 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.bcb.28c833b1 (34929) for ; Mon, 5 May 2008 11:42:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from webmail-md05 (webmail-md05.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.143]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA042-8871481f2ada36d; Mon, 05 May 2008 11:42:18 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 11:42:18 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <901737.57746.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36240-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.143) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 05 May 2008 11:42:18 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA7CDDBBBB3780-F18-A54@webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} denon TU-680 on ebay! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=M-MB0zIxmW06WiUJ-rmKcTPwSn-ZreoUirl_Vk60xjqkQCrzOYJUK-IfsL2IyeA4 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am currently the high bidder on a Sansui TU-D99AMX tuner (ebay item 160234238146).? Not exactly the Denon, but it is currently going for just over $40 with $13 shipping.? If you want it, don't bid it up to my maximum bid.? I will have the seller send it directly to you and you can reimburse me.? Or we can swap something.? I have a Sansui TU-D77 which is the mono version one notch down from the D99.? Got it?new?through AFES catalog back in the early 80's when the U.S.?dollar was worth something.? Its AM section, which doesn't claim to be anything special, is sensitive but narrow.? I don't know about the D99.??? For those of you who run AMS under Part 73 rules, is there a requirement for doing an AMS proof and what is used for the detector?? The HP339 Distortion Test Sets had a built in envelope detector.? That won't work for this. My ECL engine driven digital AMS synthesizer is nearing completion and I need some test gear to prove-out the stereo signal. Mike -----Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 4 May 2008 5:24 pm Subject: {AMSF} denon TU-680 on ebay! If anyone want's one, there is a Denon TU-680 on Ebay for "buy it now" $250! Shipping is $20 (found it searching "am stereo", halfway down the page.) Wish I had the funds right now, I've wanted one of those puppies since they came out...hope somebody can give her a nice loving home! George __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed May 07 17:24:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14087 invoked from network); 8 May 2008 00:24:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2008 00:24:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2008 00:24:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cd6.2c9da91a (34922) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 20:24:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from webmail-mf01 (webmail-mf01.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.214]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA037-886a4822482aff; Wed, 07 May 2008 20:24:10 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 20:24:10 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <901737.57746.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36240-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-mf01.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.214) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 07 May 2008 20:24:10 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA7EB8F83F4ED7-AB8-166F@webmail-mf01.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} denon TU-680 on ebay! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=11d-J0QmGkxB_FOvjsBFG6LjaJujD0aK5ZPOzwtf1F7036cAGVyP-B5gbofLGNa7 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks like the unit went for around $140.? Much less than I would have thought.? It really has some great spec's in terms of AMS capability. Mike -----Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 4 May 2008 5:24 pm Subject: {AMSF} denon TU-680 on ebay! If anyone want's one, there is a Denon TU-680 on Ebay for "buy it now" $250! Shipping is $20 (found it searching "am stereo", halfway down the page.) Wish I had the funds right now, I've wanted one of those puppies since they came out...hope somebody can give her a nice loving home! George __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed May 07 17:39:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60632 invoked from network); 8 May 2008 00:39:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2008 00:39:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2008 00:39:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bfb.3671616a (37146) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 20:39:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from webmail-mf01 (webmail-mf01.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.214]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA038-911a48224bcd2c8; Wed, 07 May 2008 20:39:41 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 20:39:41 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <901737.57746.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36240-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-mf01.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.214) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 07 May 2008 20:39:41 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA7EBB23782EB9-AB8-1765@webmail-mf01.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Anyone familar with McKay Dymek? Terk? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ZIkuIUquGnD2KBRIxAzmnlgzrBkmSohYAa65wWQXz-6VXzqpMqAPje41V4z-QX08 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember this name from years ago.? They supposedly had the best AM broadcast receiver ever.? The also made a huge AM ferrite loopstick with tunable pre-amp.? The DA-5. The DA-5 was made in the days before the extended band existed.? The loopstick is probably fine, but the pre-amp won't tune XB without modifications. Has anyone attempted this?? Is the DA-5 worth the bother? Terk makes a passive AM antenna.? Is it any good? The 1941 Zenith 10A1?with its Wavemagnet has more sensitivity than my?communications receiver on the AM band.??It needs a better antenna for this band.? I live near the crest of a hill and?close-in lightning strikes?have gotten very common. ?I don't want to connect a longwire lightning catcher to a receiver as this costly.? I don't think a NE-2 to ground is going to offer much protection when the last hit sent a 75 KVA pole transformer crashing to the ground in flames. Mike Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed May 07 17:53:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31640 invoked from network); 8 May 2008 00:53:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2008 00:53:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2008 00:53:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 57830 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2008 00:53:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8xrefWEVM1nmbDtybvKep7SxWuHqFAxryfYX8LrfbyPb2v2XYrlzcjcL3H5vsXPOaS2TfDfuRTTRWqliEcW9I8WyMRXfqHXHH13AGhdZeDZq4JnfpUJgpXVNQQo- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 May 2008 17:53:34 PDT Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 17:53:34 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA7EB8F83F4ED7-AB8-166F@webmail-mf01.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <310201.56981.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} denon TU-680 on ebay! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=XbhUBk6PoZci7HJMsKggvlQkI8J0_fx9HIclVg7EQHzgqw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Darn! I'd have skipped a couple weeks of lunch and dinner if I thought I could get it that cheap. Somebody got a great deal, and I hope they appreciate it! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Looks like the unit went for around $140.? Much less > than I would have thought.? It really has some great > spec's in terms of AMS capability. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, 4 May 2008 5:24 pm > Subject: {AMSF} denon TU-680 on ebay! > > > > > > > If anyone want's one, there is a Denon TU-680 on > Ebay > for "buy it now" > $250! Shipping is $20 (found it searching "am > stereo", halfway down the page.) > Wish I had the funds right now, I've wanted one of > those puppies since they came out...hope somebody > can > give her a nice loving home! > George > > __________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed May 07 17:58:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89514 invoked from network); 8 May 2008 00:57:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2008 00:57:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2008 00:57:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61584 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2008 00:57:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Yh_T3PwVM1koVqjKAaYFQ50XWOKQv1eVCc6pdU8jaWqpiSdqKwl35D98Z9ZfmfepnVcyPrIdvOzPCq0.pgL9rjov6r5.UCtXPTgDFz_6SkyP413KvyLMtASsR4I- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 May 2008 17:57:59 PDT Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 17:57:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA7EBB23782EB9-AB8-1765@webmail-mf01.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <417611.61395.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anyone familar with McKay Dymek? Terk? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=MT-Pyc-SpGNmFKRybrkzGMOQbIribGYeGXiIdIUYYleLqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 McKay had a cool radio that tuned with "decade dials", one for megahertz, one for 100 khz, on down to (I think) khz steps. I saw one last year at the Dayton Hamfest, shoulda grabbed it. Turk makes a decent tunable loop, with a cable for sets with antenna terminals, or you can just set it near the ferrite bar in any radio. Actually not too bad for $40, made a nice boost to a few portables, but it has no amplifier in it. George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I remember this name from years ago.? They > supposedly had the best AM broadcast receiver ever.? > The also made a huge AM ferrite loopstick with > tunable pre-amp.? The DA-5. > > The DA-5 was made in the days before the extended > band existed.? The loopstick is probably fine, but > the pre-amp won't tune XB without modifications. > > Has anyone attempted this?? Is the DA-5 worth the > bother? > > Terk makes a passive AM antenna.? Is it any good? > > The 1941 Zenith 10A1?with its Wavemagnet has more > sensitivity than my?communications receiver on the > AM band.??It needs a better antenna for this band.? > I live near the crest of a hill and?close-in > lightning strikes?have gotten very common. ?I don't > want to connect a longwire lightning catcher to a > receiver as this costly.? I don't think a NE-2 to > ground is going to offer much protection when the > last hit sent a 75 KVA pole transformer crashing to > the ground in flames. > > Mike > > Mike > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From mjgrant@aol.com Wed May 07 18:18:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80329 invoked from network); 8 May 2008 01:18:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2008 01:18:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2008 01:18:39 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c29.35968c71 (41812) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 21:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 21:18:11 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} denon TU-680 on ebay! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=KV8LleN66h1iOO3kdBMT3Hh3eJLrCxOTLZZzYzWp0pD3ts9rjXFJd-URr_fnQAEI X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the$137.50 final bid was just when wise people knew when to quit upping the ante. There is no telling what someone had for the maximum bid. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed May 07 18:24:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82865 invoked from network); 8 May 2008 01:24:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2008 01:24:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2008 01:24:13 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d29.2479d453 (41812) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 21:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 21:24:05 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anyone familar with McKay Dymek? Terk? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=XwEgbpDUiSz2m-mR5Y5RDyABSR1eTWM7VT_Q1yDTpC8VB1Zh_NKQSPjyHfd67B5v X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That Terk seems to be the only one presently made except the C.Crane Company that sponsors C2C. Long range reception has gotten poor in recent weeks. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed May 07 18:33:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83095 invoked from network); 8 May 2008 01:33:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2008 01:33:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2008 01:33:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 79123 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2008 01:33:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 61zesvAVM1kHYBS4DQ0hjEqAcFv1krV3X4PUGIwAarlmm7WLAXoyYe.rpqn4OxSdlZdKGapjENZ.FRINzCpVhRC2sEVTuBTljAR8Pqyu_n2Fm1jYtls2KHSdTw-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.128] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 May 2008 18:33:20 PDT Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 18:33:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA7EB8F83F4ED7-AB8-166F@webmail-mf01.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <224431.76701.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} denon TU-680 on ebay! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=RlxQwoah3tW9dxHNwWsmVfwqiQp7sXMcngK6hE9q1Ik X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Looks like the unit went for around $140.? Much less > than I would have thought.? It really has some great > spec's in terms of AMS capability. > > Mike > Yes IF it works. That's a big if, and lots of chips for this unit are no longer available. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed May 07 18:45:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60065 invoked from network); 8 May 2008 01:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2008 01:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2008 01:45:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 99843 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2008 01:45:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Wqx2hREVM1kn1TsMWmbY41d4Aq2HrTfGG3Tsjc0PPwW.6jPnG7KGSgaCvDCyHQpGOsNdQ71R41Ggjv0a1LpGn3BsUzxxsw5IX62.KfEIzQ_SqiN0HVsXNQNNBNA- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 May 2008 18:45:52 PDT Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 18:45:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <735630.99788.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anyone familar with McKay Dymek? Terk? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=4yIieUwAQSPeXHzrH9gqM-UmH-t7yxzpGYU0asOcRq7HJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Poor as in unfavorable sky conditions, or because of IBOC infestation in your area? We now have at least 3, maybe more nightime IBOCs in the Detroit area...disgusting! I had such a sweet dream last night. I saw a big garbage truck going around all the IBOC stations, grabbing their rotten little exciters, replacing them with stereo ones, and taking the IBOC units to a seething, smoking dump. I looked closer to see who was driving the truck...it was Leonard Kahn!:>) Wish THAT one would come back again! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > That Terk seems to be the only one presently made > except the C.Crane Company > that sponsors C2C. > > Long range reception has gotten poor in recent > weeks. > > Mike > > > > > ************** > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists > on family > favorites at AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From mjgrant@aol.com Wed May 07 20:01:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52398 invoked from network); 8 May 2008 03:01:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2008 03:01:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2008 03:01:51 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cb2.2fc42ff1 (29678) for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 23:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 23:01:43 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anyone familar with McKay Dymek? Terk? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=mcsQl7PNA4ZfKLrRK3wW9ExDmt5PLIhGmKWAh5w7nFVn_bRIxbb97fRPpPK0nLfG X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/7/08 8:46:09 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Poor as in unfavorable sky conditions, or because of > IBOC infestation in your area? Poor as in weak signals. Our Infamy Broadcasting station here is IBOC (I think). KMOX. Fortunately, at 1120 it is not near anything I ever listen to. I get C2C at 550 and adult cont. at 1630 in the evenings. KCJJ's signal has just gotten weak. The Zenith still pulls it in with the proper adjustment of the WaveMagnet. However, I hate to put alot of hours on its original 1941 tube set. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu May 08 13:47:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73630 invoked from network); 8 May 2008 20:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2008 20:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2008 20:47:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 41880 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2008 20:47:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EP5sS.QVM1lXhtkwgu5p85Dsa0BohPzeRdflBrSqBmOAsqLvxn2JvLhpGB2Z7Q6qw3pZsxy_SEI2ybiJJUb35TMsHU7u3_Ayx44i3AIvvS3AH5va628y0jzhz_k- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 May 2008 13:47:08 PDT Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:47:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <323840.41796.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anyone familar with McKay Dymek? Terk? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=QohIqW0MuaOkcbczTOvR039Td3q-r6f1P0BBbETGMUF22w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yup, those 1L6 tubes are getting pretty dear these days. Somebody is actually making a solid state plug-in replacement for them now, but that just isn't the same! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/7/08 8:46:09 PM Central > Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com > writes: > > > > Poor as in unfavorable sky conditions, or because > of > > IBOC infestation in your area? > > Poor as in weak signals. Our Infamy Broadcasting > station here is IBOC (I > think). KMOX. Fortunately, at 1120 it is not near > anything I ever listen to. I > get C2C at 550 and adult cont. at 1630 in the > evenings. KCJJ's signal has > just gotten weak. The Zenith still pulls it in with > the proper adjustment of > the WaveMagnet. However, I hate to put alot of > hours on its original 1941 tube > set. > > Mike > > > > > ************** > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists > on family > favorites at AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu May 08 17:11:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16723 invoked from network); 9 May 2008 00:11:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2008 00:11:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2008 00:11:24 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.5] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080508191120100105700010> for ; Thu, 08 May 2008 19:11:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00e401c8b169$8b450d60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <8CA7EBB23782EB9-AB8-1765@webmail-mf01.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 19:11:20 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anyone familar with McKay Dymek? Terk? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=oyrgNkZzbw8SXo9eqy81_MSiDG19fy1xUMV3ruFGSdAFbSjcTEgf X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That NE-2 is to warn you to disconnect the antenna, not to be a lightning arrestor. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com The 1941 Zenith 10A1?with its Wavemagnet has more sensitivity than my?communications receiver on the AM band.??It needs a better antenna for this band.? I live near the crest of a hill and?close-in lightning strikes?have gotten very common. ?I don't want to connect a longwire lightning catcher to a receiver as this costly.? I don't think a NE-2 to ground is going to offer much protection when the last hit sent a 75 KVA pole transformer crashing to the ground in flames. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bill_1234321@yahoo.com Thu May 08 17:35:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill_1234321@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72582 invoked from network); 9 May 2008 00:35:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2008 00:35:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.132) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2008 00:35:12 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n5.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2008 00:35:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2008 00:35:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2008 00:35:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 00:35:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "bill_1234321" Subject: Looking for a list of AM stereo stations. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=335180529; y=poJVuOpfWHE3rKQ8X_03nl36ZfvSbg4SzqP_LTzNhxrnwyZC5CRn X-Yahoo-Profile: bill_1234321 Is there a website with a fairly up to date list of AMS stations? Here=20 in Houston, the only one I could pick up in stereo was WBAP 820=20 Dallas/Ft Worth. That was last year. Lately I've tuned in, no stereo. From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu May 08 17:39:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57415 invoked from network); 9 May 2008 00:39:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2008 00:39:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.240) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2008 00:39:24 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d23so276642and.132 for ; Thu, 08 May 2008 17:39:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.152.19 with SMTP id z19mr5224124and.80.1210293561022; Thu, 08 May 2008 17:39:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Thu, 8 May 2008 17:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80805081739v383b459ckcbdb35bfe7867850@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 20:39:20 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looking for a list of AM stereo stations. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=81WIKear3WRs9SPCOMDovC-zp9jdTWDcdlrU9EkfokEiEPwclqPjd_we X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here you go....... http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/usa.htm Paul Walker www.realradiousa.com www.radio-talk.net On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 8:35 PM, bill_1234321 wrote: > Is there a website with a fairly up to date list of AMS stations? Here > in Houston, the only one I could pick up in stereo was WBAP 820 > Dallas/Ft Worth. That was last year. Lately I've tuned in, no stereo. > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu May 08 22:17:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13241 invoked from network); 9 May 2008 05:17:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2008 05:17:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.240) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2008 05:17:13 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2008 05:17:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2008 05:17:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2008 05:17:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 05:17:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80805081739v383b459ckcbdb35bfe7867850@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looking for a list of AM stereo stations. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=3jbzsSI51xdrOnWa4edKzKu4MB7P7ZYggTpBEAySgAcWhD57LPJPIKxon_9hf6jqAoUyxdla X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 wrote: > > Here you go....... >=20 > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/usa.htm >=20 > Paul Walker > www.realradiousa.com > www.radio-talk.net >=20 > On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 8:35 PM, bill_1234321 =20 wrote: >=20 > > Is there a website with a fairly up to date list of AMS=20 stations? Here > > in Houston, the only one I could pick up in stereo was WBAP 820 > > Dallas/Ft Worth. That was last year. Lately I've tuned in, no=20 stereo. > > > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > http://www.realradiousa.com > http://www.radio-talk.net > http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > walkerbroadcasting@... >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang You mite try this one it seems to be the most updated list=20 that have I seen. www.meduci.com/stations.html Thanks Jim S From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 09 10:37:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62261 invoked from network); 9 May 2008 17:37:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2008 17:37:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2008 17:37:09 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c06.34d92d9a (37037) for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 13:36:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from webmail-me08 (webmail-me08.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.200]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB027-90ad48248bb928f; Fri, 09 May 2008 13:36:58 -0400 References: <8bce0fe80805081739v383b459ckcbdb35bfe7867850@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 13:36:58 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80805081739v383b459ckcbdb35bfe7867850@mail.gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36502-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.200) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 09 May 2008 13:36:58 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA80126A1253B9-3DC-1400@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looking for a list of AM stereo stations. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=R_yItLB8-EMOX3U5-yK67HM9Bx-33l_iCdSp5QvtmYaGZj_FW8V0wFkWZxXBJIRl X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't say in general, but the stations listed as AMS in the St. Louis area aren't.? Trust me. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 8 May 2008 7:39 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looking for a list of AM stereo stations. Here you go....... http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/usa.htm Paul Walker www.realradiousa.com www.radio-talk.net On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 8:35 PM, bill_1234321 wrote: > Is there a website with a fairly up to date list of AMS stations? Here > in Houston, the only one I could pick up in stereo was WBAP 820 > Dallas/Ft Worth. That was last year. Lately I've tuned in, no stereo. > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 09 11:28:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24577 invoked from network); 9 May 2008 18:28:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2008 18:28:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2008 18:28:09 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c7b.2fdeece8 (34923) for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 14:27:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from webmail-me08 (webmail-me08.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.200]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA038-886b48249795109; Fri, 09 May 2008 14:27:33 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 14:27:33 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <323840.41796.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36502-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.200) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 09 May 2008 14:27:33 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA80197B7BFF13-3DC-17E6@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anyone familar with McKay Dymek? Terk? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=K0s7XOqo0OWe_T-6qWJku68fwPSBab96k9FN_syf8oSFLqyxlBHK2NIRNfi_UGhf X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, the 10A1 Zenith console used another loctal tube as the RF amplifier.? A remarkably sensitive tube.? The Zenith tunes the extended broadcast band on its first shortwave band.? It's marked "Police".? I didn't even know Sting was making records back in 1941.? On most nights, the Zenith puts in KCJJ like a local station. The Zenith, with its famous "Big Black Dial", was state of the art back in 1941.? A tuned RF stage, active low distortion envelope detector (not just a diode), feedback tone controls, a push pull audio output, and 12-in. electrodynamic speaker.? It sounds very good to this day.? Original tubes. The Zenith uses a AM loop antenna (no ferrite) contructed inside a cardboard box.? Literally.? The box can be rotated to get the best signal. Listening to Cardinal games on it is just like old times, except no Jack Buck or Harry Carey.? Mike Shannon, who used to play for the Cards, is their present announcer.? Mike is known to have thrown back a few too many tall cold ones before announcing the game.? As long as they're Budweisers, his sponsor, Anheuser Busch, doesn't?mind.? After more than half a century, the Card's new management switched from 50kW Class I KMOX to 5kW? regional KTRS for a stake in the station ownership.? Because of its low position advantage on the dial (550 khz vs. 1120 khz), the daytime coverage is almost comparable, but not at night when KMOX's signal would blanket more than 30 states with Cards baseball. I digress.? Has anyone tried building one of those giant AM loops? Mike -----Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 8 May 2008 3:47 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anyone familar with McKay Dymek? Terk? Yup, those 1L6 tubes are getting pretty dear these days. Somebody is actually making a solid state plug-in replacement for them now, but that just isn't the same! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/7/08 8:46:09 PM Central > Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com > writes: > > > > Poor as in unfavorable sky conditions, or because > of > > IBOC infestation in your area? > > Poor as in weak signals. Our Infamy Broadcasting > station here is IBOC (I > think). KMOX. Fortunately, at 1120 it is not near > anything I ever listen to. I > get C2C at 550 and adult cont. at 1630 in the > evenings. KCJJ's signal has > just gotten weak. The Zenith still pulls it in with > the proper adjustment of > the WaveMagnet. However, I hate to put alot of > hours on its original 1941 tube > set. > > Mike > > > > > ************** > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists > on family > favorites at AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri May 09 11:34:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41717 invoked from network); 9 May 2008 18:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2008 18:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2008 18:34:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 59361 invoked by uid 60001); 9 May 2008 18:34:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1uFTTJAVM1lu9B_3KcFHqTYu5pJirkrI3KopnnAkt3Wf1tIc6jrqloFN0yztP.bDL8DkSCdBo12QE4E9qjyqc33kgNOsT1qE_1NJHMWy7hNc9hsaxJgJxiOv6g-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 May 2008 11:34:34 PDT Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 11:34:34 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CA80197B7BFF13-3DC-17E6@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <335804.58859.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=YIhIO7vzws5RPomwJs6KdBjvwxf4vwgWCyamJ8Sk05k X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Actually, the 10A1 Zenith console used another > loctal tube as the RF amplifier.? I have a Philco 46-1209 that has loctals except for the rectifier and 2 6V6-GT's for push pull audio. I have a failing oscillator tube socket. I need a loctal tube socket..... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 09 11:36:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26739 invoked from network); 9 May 2008 18:36:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2008 18:36:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2008 18:36:39 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.ce9.308d57d1 (37033) for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 14:36:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from webmail-me08 (webmail-me08.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.200]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB023-90a9482499af15f; Fri, 09 May 2008 14:36:31 -0400 References: <8CA7EBB23782EB9-AB8-1765@webmail-mf01.sysops.aol.com> <00e401c8b169$8b450d60$d503fea9@stodd> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 14:36:31 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <00e401c8b169$8b450d60$d503fea9@stodd> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36502-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.200) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 09 May 2008 14:36:31 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA801ABC64217B-3DC-1883@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anyone familar with McKay Dymek? Terk? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=5HFBmR4K-6a_pnjl3oFavkw8M5I56PLMUlxYoLmwweuHGHpzWBKz4MVLBJV7t1Su X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That NE-2 is to warn you to disconnect the antenna, not to be a lightning arrestor. I would be somewhat reluctant to throw the plastic insulated minature knife switch when what used to be a NE-2 has turned into a ball of white-hot plasma. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 09 11:53:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28566 invoked from network); 9 May 2008 18:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2008 18:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2008 18:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d4f.27d87636 (37543) for ; Fri, 9 May 2008 14:53:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from webmail-me08 (webmail-me08.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.200]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB024-92a748249db58e; Fri, 09 May 2008 14:53:41 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 14:53:41 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <335804.58859.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36502-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.200) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 09 May 2008 14:53:41 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA801D22354EC9-3DC-19C0@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=K9mh6Vm3LiauGXZwM4LsJdr5mPlffTTaV5GGImJGhv7PefZQgBwcPwdQrxjmq3mv X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Powell, The Zenith uses a 1232 tube as its RF Amp.? All the other tubes are octals. Angela Instruments (www.angela.com) as well as Radiodaze (www.radiodaze.com) both have Loctal sockets though probably not what is in your Philco.? Like the Zenith, it probably has wafer phenolic sockets.? When I replaced the disintegrationed cloth coverage rubber insulated wire with teflon insulated wire, I had to refurbish the tube sockets.? The modern saddle style ceramics are no doubt better, but it was going to be too much of challenge to install them on the Zenith chassis. Max Robinson at Fun with Tubes is the most knowledgeable guy I know when it comes to the older vacuum electronics.? You might drop him a line. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 9 May 2008 1:34 pm Subject: {AMSF} OLD radios --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Actually, the 10A1 Zenith console used another > loctal tube as the RF amplifier.? I have a Philco 46-1209 that has loctals except for the rectifier and 2 6V6-GT's for push pull audio. I have a failing oscillator tube socket. I need a loctal tube socket..... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri May 09 20:39:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96421 invoked from network); 10 May 2008 03:39:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2008 03:39:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.201) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2008 03:39:07 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W28 ([64.4.19.128]) by bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 9 May 2008 20:38:18 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 23:38:18 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <335804.58859.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8CA80197B7BFF13-3DC-17E6@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> <335804.58859.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2008 03:38:18.0162 (UTC) FILETIME=[49472920:01C8B24F] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=pdLOV7J_IGOw9HfmKF-v5Vw4xGN8vH3V_Q6c_CJbUStbK5wF-hWe X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try this address for your loctal tube socket: http://www.tubesandmore.com/ MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: w4opw@yahoo.comDate: Fri, 9 May 2008 11:34:34 -0700Subject: {AMSF} OLD radios --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote:> Actually, the 10A1 Zenith console used another> loctal tube as the RF amplifier.?I have a Philco 46-1209 that has loctals except forthe rectifier and 2 6V6-GT's for push pull audio. Ihave a failing oscillator tube socket. I need a loctaltube socket.....PowellNNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat May 10 07:50:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76058 invoked from network); 10 May 2008 14:50:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2008 14:50:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2008 14:50:34 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.47] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080510095026100862700010> for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 09:50:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006a01c8b2ad$873bf900$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <8CA7EBB23782EB9-AB8-1765@webmail-mf01.sysops.aol.com> <00e401c8b169$8b450d60$d503fea9@stodd> <8CA801ABC64217B-3DC-1883@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:50:26 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anyone familar with McKay Dymek? Terk? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=GC4JW8uNok1JojRQZtfTHSC4J0SvcWtSztKvZyKX-NHPtp7JOLSi X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You throw the switch while the NE-2 is still orange. It should flash long before the storm is close enough to destroy it, assuming you're around to see it. If not, throw the switch before you leave. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com That NE-2 is to warn you to disconnect the antenna, not to be a lightning arrestor. I would be somewhat reluctant to throw the plastic insulated minature knife switch when what used to be a NE-2 has turned into a ball of white-hot plasma. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat May 10 07:53:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59538 invoked from network); 10 May 2008 14:53:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2008 14:53:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2008 14:53:54 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.47] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080510095348101180400010> for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 09:53:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <007e01c8b2ad$ffb50980$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <335804.58859.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:53:48 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=QDMdhJ4LG7mQ2HC3tL8G9M2pzdm0HFB35TIu2km1Xttdo-eY9Itb X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As long as it isn't corroded you could temporarily pull the tube from the socket and squeeze the contacts with a pair of pliers. That could improve the operation. Otherwise I'd recommend the Antique Radio Forum. Lots of guys over there might have exactly what you need. Small stuff like that is often free. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I have a Philco 46-1209 that has loctals except for the rectifier and 2 6V6-GT's for push pull audio. I have a failing oscillator tube socket. I need a loctal tube socket..... --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat May 10 07:58:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13636 invoked from network); 10 May 2008 14:58:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2008 14:58:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2008 14:58:48 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.47] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080510095814101771300010> for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 09:58:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00b601c8b2ae$9dd51420$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <8CA80197B7BFF13-3DC-17E6@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:58:14 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anyone familar with McKay Dymek? Terk? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Ae5AqQRcu9Do9Oh1Hsb9wxOgYEvn_uVO7uDUsqc9fXEpn7KS5ksq X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You'll have to Google "loop antenna" but I remember seeing one that was wire wound around an old cordless drill box and a single gang tuning cap. Seems to me the guy was from Texas and may have been part of an earlier AM stereo list. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Has anyone tried building one of those giant AM loops? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 10 09:35:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99419 invoked from network); 10 May 2008 16:35:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2008 16:35:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2008 16:35:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45750 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2008 16:35:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SMRX3hEVM1kOtywmontv5jc5KDv9C9ZnwXveeS7.XEpBITABIKxBH4SSdUtAI07YxdxXYG9VxZz4mj8gsTVHCId8WxdOY14PlQes8xqohUvzkGcn9V7ugIvz3w-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.100] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 May 2008 09:35:09 PDT Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:35:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <357794.44251.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=JwOkQKOzHv0ZnleNlgKOWCv0dsOKajd0ZoIia3YmqAY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > > Try this address for your loctal tube socket: > > > http://www.tubesandmore.com/ They didn't have any when I made my order recently. I ordered from Radio Daze. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 10 09:37:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80005 invoked from network); 10 May 2008 16:37:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2008 16:37:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2008 16:37:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 47695 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2008 16:37:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: umXJFVEVM1mKsSrZ8MriEQLZ_woT10pqtXFs.hieMa2mG5SHaAIykEwG.tFobEocGG.gkv.QCstLjc_8IBx5g7vB1ovhPorPcgMrqRi1a.GJdzRmSOOvIrZY2g-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.100] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 May 2008 09:37:35 PDT Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:37:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <007e01c8b2ad$ffb50980$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <843402.46991.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=vlOsQj4CYvLpIF0s65b5QA5J9Lg0a1glHoazP1rKObM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > As long as it isn't corroded you could temporarily > pull the tube from the socket and squeeze the > contacts with a pair of pliers. That could improve > the operation. Otherwise I'd recommend the Antique > Radio Forum. Lots of guys over there might have > exactly what you need. Small stuff like that is > often free. The insulating material is falling apart. I thought of using needle nose to do that, and make sure the pins all make contact. I ordered the socket, but may do that so I don't have to do brain surgery right away. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 10 09:38:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84481 invoked from network); 10 May 2008 16:38:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2008 16:38:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2008 16:38:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 48341 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2008 16:38:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: auezfNMVM1mttsEaVH6ehUPTFWvNXBD4cRk5XMwckpQMYEu1GhXlPi8tvle.XPC7T_zl.nXE_brgAWhLOqLwm23gTOwmEUyr.t58 X-Received: from [209.213.19.100] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 May 2008 09:38:47 PDT Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:38:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00b601c8b2ae$9dd51420$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <327875.47291.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Loop antennas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=sYiZeW5kHF4FuNzYkIyZfOO0yyH5cSVRAFzh8FtpXuI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > You'll have to Google "loop antenna" but I remember > seeing one that was wire wound around an old > cordless drill box and a single gang tuning cap. > Seems to me the guy was from Texas and may have been > part of an earlier AM stereo list. Bruce Carter has an excellent Loop Antenna site. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Sat May 10 10:26:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41405 invoked from network); 10 May 2008 17:26:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2008 17:26:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2008 17:26:59 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bf9.385ed850 (14467) for ; Sat, 10 May 2008 13:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 13:26:45 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=oLnn9qJkLxTJIEREpS47MkOqO7Sst4U2vUV6ZyCF3sNDQYqMvRDlyqTbKasCHSGj X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Powell, Radio Daze is a good company. I purchased some items from them when I refurbishing the Zenith. You're right. Those phenolic wafer sockets just crumble with age. On the Zenith, I had one with leakage betweem two adjacent pins. I scrubbed the socket with toothbrush and isopropyl alcohol and couldn't get rid of it. I don't know if it was the solvent or just age, but the socket disintegrated. Putting a modern socket in would have required drilling the chassis. I was able to salvage a socket out from an old table radio that had already been partially canabalized. I assuming you're converting the Philco to AMS? Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bill_1234321@yahoo.com Sat May 10 16:16:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill_1234321@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29149 invoked from network); 10 May 2008 23:16:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2008 23:16:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.56) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2008 23:16:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2008 23:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2008 23:16:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 23:16:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CA80126A1253B9-3DC-1400@webmail-me08.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "bill_1234321" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looking for a list of AM stereo stations. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=335180529; y=Ej0pnxEt78BIW_EqY1bpR4u8W6BIZY7fUmVAU2jXQdf-lJQvhyP2 X-Yahoo-Profile: bill_1234321 Thanks for the help. But I discovered that my Terk Advantage antenna=20 is not working. So maybe I'll make a cable with a PL-259 connector.=20 That way I can connect the tuner to my high frequency ham radio=20 dipole antenna that's strung up outside. > > I can't say in general, but the stations listed as AMS in the St.=20 Louis area aren't.? Trust me. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, 8 May 2008 7:39 pm > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Looking for a list of AM stereo stations. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Here you go....... >=20 > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics/usa.htm >=20 > Paul Walker > www.realradiousa.com > www.radio-talk.net >=20 > On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 8:35 PM, bill_1234321 =20 wrote: >=20 > > Is there a website with a fairly up to date list of AMS=20 stations? Here > > in Houston, the only one I could pick up in stereo was WBAP 820 > > Dallas/Ft Worth. That was last year. Lately I've tuned in, no=20 stereo. > > > >=20 > > >=20 > --=20 > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > http://www.realradiousa.com > http://www.radio-talk.net > http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > walkerbroadcasting@... >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 10 17:34:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54700 invoked from network); 11 May 2008 00:34:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2008 00:34:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2008 00:34:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17847 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2008 00:34:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0tXOyfsVM1nnOzyYUuz5Q1VI90TACuNjFx8bEM6R8z_P.Xz8UoflmNa7MVahDuUY6g-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.26] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 May 2008 17:34:34 PDT Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 17:34:34 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <44215.17762.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=v2iD4Y5IHdmL-TMc4gy7ZSN-0gztibPK3XjiSu466hk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Powell, > > Radio Daze is a good company. I purchased some > items from them when I > refurbishing the Zenith. I also ordered some tubes, but they were out of 12BA6's! > I assuming you're converting the Philco to AMS? ABSOLUTELY NOT! I have 2 AM stereo tuners, and now the SRF-42 I got from a friend. And the car radio is AM stereo. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Sat May 10 21:01:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28770 invoked from network); 11 May 2008 04:01:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2008 04:01:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2008 04:01:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d68.2aec45e5 (14467) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 00:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 00:01:03 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=AsJv9biuCrOHg9DY5RiH9DASmJoqsPIaGW0C8Yfyv90_Q-UJNeTfot3gTnjRKmEH X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/10/08 7:34:58 PM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > > I assuming you're converting the Philco to AMS? > > ABSOLUTELY NOT! > I thought not. It was a take a few more of those 12BA6's to accomplish that. I assume you are rebuilding what is commonly called a AA-5? Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 10 21:03:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42051 invoked from network); 11 May 2008 04:03:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2008 04:03:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2008 04:03:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2557 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2008 04:03:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HBShXlwVM1nireRSFOxS_fNN6favU1Bdl2MskAsJ7LBjwORecgwCgXZ7sq0kUdl6IAvupRtEt9gi63x22fMvOIy882Y1Ix56xbcX X-Received: from [209.213.19.153] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 May 2008 21:03:22 PDT Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 21:03:22 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <234281.2370.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=8N7PStmKwyas9HaIEBRVlj2knvNESIW39E5V1VRxS6c X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/10/08 7:34:58 PM Central > Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com > writes: > > > > > I assuming you're converting the Philco to AMS? > > > > ABSOLUTELY NOT! > > > > I thought not. It was a take a few more of those > 12BA6's to accomplish that. > I assume you are rebuilding what is commonly called > a AA-5? No the Philco console. Power transformer, made in 1946. I DO however have a loctal AA5 set. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun May 11 16:52:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21003 invoked from network); 11 May 2008 23:52:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2008 23:52:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2008 23:52:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 70113 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2008 23:52:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8w760IYVM1k.psr1WSPD33fJQew1emAyARinHUv2yxYx9iryatd0z0ZKEZ1hKkaHR3c5zT4QaEIJYH5lgTRFzYCGfmIwIpwsdmwPkMJGtFRvDEkr.PskmA-- X-Received: from [72.241.177.103] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 May 2008 16:52:52 PDT Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 16:52:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <204724.69071.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Looking for a list of AM stereo stations. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=8Q74c4XjqnqKZ3lzu6EnDJHX57yaKPMIF061EV_-0BjE2gQ-5rq_Yn0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi, Made a trek across Ohio Saturday, and I'm very happy to report AM Stereo music from Bucyrus on 1540 WBCO, and stereo audio on 920 in Columbus (little separation, but great bandwidth audio and massive bass for their music format). Also used an IBOC radio for this trip, and NOT ONE of the HD-AM stations had stereo audio in Ohio (WJR Detroit, MI was the exception) but no stereo on former CQuam 610-WTVN, or WOWO-1190, or WLW-700, or WOSU-820, or WCWA-1230 or former CQuam 1370-WSPD. STEREO SCORE: CQUAM= +2, IBOC-AM= (-6) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From kjones_731@yahoo.com Sun May 11 19:48:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16527 invoked from network); 12 May 2008 02:48:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2008 02:48:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web81905.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.184) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2008 02:48:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 84336 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2008 02:48:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EBqxEnMVM1mp0syHSu_zNBsef2qRcJ8XQSRQxM38h4jylz01woy5cUilt84g3.XmjVbuzZ8KTizAPXsmJO4Lal9dbtJmXJ.KoSeCcYow0KhUNRuuYzOrSk3zeA-- X-Received: from [75.60.230.180] by web81905.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 May 2008 19:48:23 PDT Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 19:48:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <204724.69071.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <553477.83805.qm@web81905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Kirk Jones Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Looking for a list of AM stereo stations. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=klF8Qo_q0niE8T7NB3t5rAv8Wy1gmgxQHI4tHwPAgjFwNyFb2w X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 Did you try 1160 WDJO? They are out of Florence Ky/ Cincinatti,Oh. I think they are in AM Stereo, they mentioned it on the station ID. It comes in weak here in Columbus, Oh. They play GREAT OLDIES www.oldies1160.com ----Kirk > Hi, Made a trek across Ohio Saturday, and I'm very > happy to report AM > Stereo music from Bucyrus on 1540 WBCO, and stereo > audio on 920 in > Columbus (little separation, but great bandwidth > audio and massive bass > for their music format). > Also used an IBOC radio for this trip, and NOT ONE > of the HD-AM > stations had stereo audio in Ohio (WJR Detroit, MI > was the exception) > but no stereo on former CQuam 610-WTVN, or > WOWO-1190, or WLW-700, or > WOSU-820, or WCWA-1230 or former CQuam 1370-WSPD. > > STEREO SCORE: CQUAM= +2, IBOC-AM= (-6) > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > From ke7ief@aol.com Sun May 11 20:33:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56180 invoked from network); 12 May 2008 03:33:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2008 03:33:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2008 03:33:42 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bf8.2cecdbdf (34946) for ; Sun, 11 May 2008 23:33:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hank (71-35-126-159.tukw.qwest.net [71.35.126.159]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA057-88824827ba8e365; Sun, 11 May 2008 23:33:35 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c8b3e0$f8b9c6f0$6718a8c0@hank> To: References: <204724.69071.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 20:33:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "hank smith" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 71.35.126.159 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Looking for a list of AM stereo stations. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=2MqyGQTC6Lz5m6dvsDdwND1BpASeCaQx4zaNvCwI4_hGFgfkxkcl X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what was the format that had awesome base? ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 4:52 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Looking for a list of AM stereo stations. Hi, Made a trek across Ohio Saturday, and I'm very happy to report AM Stereo music from Bucyrus on 1540 WBCO, and stereo audio on 920 in Columbus (little separation, but great bandwidth audio and massive bass for their music format). Also used an IBOC radio for this trip, and NOT ONE of the HD-AM stations had stereo audio in Ohio (WJR Detroit, MI was the exception) but no stereo on former CQuam 610-WTVN, or WOWO-1190, or WLW-700, or WOSU-820, or WCWA-1230 or former CQuam 1370-WSPD. STEREO SCORE: CQUAM= +2, IBOC-AM= (-6) __________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon May 12 08:14:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75895 invoked from network); 12 May 2008 15:14:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2008 15:14:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2008 15:14:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 83257 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2008 15:14:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uNyNrwEVM1lc.iZ8e5HSF0ffZNCATrxOb0AfFBOrntHl7VVcr9saKgnWIakCAveWi0C8yRL3XhYIzoSNQQUmJypgayLYwDqlnXkivV1OO8_rpAuyx0lHvA-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 May 2008 08:14:47 PDT Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 08:14:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <324397.82518.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Looking for a list of AM stereo stations. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=L1QfJHHRJqmDcmWy29wUbp0RovTDQpcS-xVlwvFz-crRhFSu933rXo0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Adult standards music on AM920 Columbus - yep, music! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon May 12 19:20:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35867 invoked from network); 13 May 2008 02:20:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2008 02:20:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.131) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2008 02:20:45 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2008 02:20:45 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2008 02:20:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2008 02:20:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 02:20:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <234281.2370.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ssAL64pHiubeeiVmAFPgaunuorLDSxQ9nPtj4_ObDfGyvhNv5g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III"=20 wrote: > >=20 > --- mjgrant@... wrote: >=20 > > In a message dated 5/10/08 7:34:58 PM Central > > Daylight Time, w4opw@...=20 > > writes: > >=20 > >=20 > > > > I assuming you're converting the Philco to AMS? > > >=20 > > > ABSOLUTELY NOT!=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > > I thought not. It was a take a few more of those > > 12BA6's to accomplish that.=20 > > I assume you are rebuilding what is commonly called > > a AA-5? >=20 >=20 >=20 > No the Philco console. Power transformer, made in > 1946.=20=20 >=20 > I DO however have a loctal AA5 set.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > Does somebody know when the AM receivers started to be BAD? Why some=20 old samples had more quality than the "new" Digital, XPLOD, Super=20 Tuner, Auto Tuning, Auto Memory Tuning, etc, etc, etc? Why non of=20 the AM broadcasters claimed/demanded about a "minimal" performance=20 of this devices? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From keith1226@yahoo.com Mon May 12 21:45:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34627 invoked from network); 13 May 2008 04:45:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2008 04:45:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.89) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2008 04:45:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 77962 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 2008 04:45:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4HiSHmEVM1m..zGUujYz86edHxPeqnr99DGaF6xUl.N6i5WgPvs7OkwV3.lO3VZANA-- X-Received: from [71.197.193.155] by web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 May 2008 21:45:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:45:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <686115.77407.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Reply-To: keith1226@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=VW1KObia6M7NaPY_Y50mFjvsBe2mGlmRSf8srvslgGx2ceg- X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Juan,=20 I'm no expert, but based on owning a lot of older, but not antique, radios,= it seems to me that the quality of AM tuners started to go down about the = time that FM radio listening started to become more popular than AM listeni= ng (at least in the USA): about 1970.=20 According to some fans of "vintage" high-fidelity audio gear I know, the cu= toff date seems to be 1980. This was also the time that most US AM stations= were switching from music to all-talk programming. I have some quality rad= ios made in the late 80s and even the 90s and 2000s, but these were designe= d for shortwave listeners and AM DXers (e.g. the GE Superadio series) rathe= r than the average person. By then the emphasis in portable audio devices h= ad changed from the radio itself to things like cassette tape players and C= D players.=20 Keith Beesley in Seattle --- On Mon, 5/12/08, jotape1960 wrote: > From: jotape1960 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, May 12, 2008, 7:20 PM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III"=20 > wrote: > > > >=20 > > --- mjgrant@... wrote: > >=20 > > > In a message dated 5/10/08 7:34:58 PM Central > > > Daylight Time, w4opw@...=20 > > > writes: > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > > I assuming you're converting the > Philco to AMS? > > > >=20 > > > > ABSOLUTELY NOT!=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > I thought not. It was a take a few more of those > > > 12BA6's to accomplish that.=20 > > > I assume you are rebuilding what is commonly > called > > > a AA-5? > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > No the Philco console. Power transformer, made in > > 1946.=20=20 > >=20 > > I DO however have a loctal AA5 set.=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Powell > >=20 > > NNNN=20=20 > > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > >=20 > Does somebody know when the AM receivers started to be BAD? > Why some=20 > old samples had more quality than the "new" > Digital, XPLOD, Super=20 > Tuner, Auto Tuning, Auto Memory Tuning, etc, etc, etc? Why > non of=20 > the AM broadcasters claimed/demanded about a > "minimal" performance=20 > of this devices? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue May 13 07:02:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67271 invoked from network); 13 May 2008 14:02:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2008 14:02:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2008 14:02:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 77431 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 2008 14:02:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: q3hGtlQVM1lIUXmsTBnnBzO.QttgUHkBkCUpYAVFjgotLEaER3SUDuwVjW6BCMChYg-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 May 2008 07:02:07 PDT Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 07:02:07 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <630990.76950.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: AM Stereo is OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=jUr6X1O7JfRNnVe7OwSYQdyKx4W6YLBrp2X0aJGXIX_gK3C1dXVHlAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Who'd thought Boy George was a fan of AM Stereo? Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsi-OCOPZRk From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue May 13 07:18:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53866 invoked from network); 13 May 2008 14:18:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2008 14:18:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s39.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.111) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2008 14:18:46 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.18]) by bay0-omc1-s39.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 13 May 2008 07:18:46 -0700 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 May 2008 07:18:45 -0700 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.113 by BLU108-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:18:42 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 14:18:42 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2008 14:18:45.0973 (UTC) FILETIME=[41470850:01C8B504] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo is OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=x_3Q8wfghncIHjlGOm3slcvStCMPoMmgXZgqAT480vwvV2tlM3Pprv4XFzY X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amazing; wish some of the remaining AM Stereo stations in North America could get some major publicity like that now; it just might get enough publicity to reverse the trend of thinking all a.m. stations have to be mono and (repetitious) talk. Donn in one of many a.m. stereo free zones [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue May 13 10:14:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70223 invoked from network); 13 May 2008 17:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2008 17:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2008 17:14:26 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c8b.29b6651f (42807) for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 13:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:14:23 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=8fNcFCkduF3IJE_dDWGSpTBJ1yYfrG2lIIHRXs-qa5xjrWvGdwxI5AcQR800fajn X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/12/08 9:20:57 PM Central Daylight Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > > > I thought not. It was a take a few more of those > > > 12BA6's to accomplish that. > > > I assume you are rebuilding what is commonly called > > > a AA-5? > > > > > > > > No the Philco console. Power transformer, made in > > 1946. > That's unusual for transformer powered radio to have a 12 volt filament supply. I assume the 6BA6 and 12BA6 were released concurrently. By the way, I have an older brother who was also made in 1946. One of those post-war models. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue May 13 10:37:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78583 invoked from network); 13 May 2008 17:37:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2008 17:37:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2008 17:37:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49034 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 2008 17:37:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5IO3v_UVM1ko0WBhlsBYuDmZkO04rXcNERJqP.vgPXqbSO0O6P5hZPG04LtPkvzvJN4pCJkd0.DNlHepP1KxtNtu4Kk8pCOxa.GD.8vBcPvLhDOm62fm2N10Rg-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 May 2008 10:37:19 PDT Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:37:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <88444.47764.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=icrssGYVldNWl_6qy1e10fEeKm-8QaV1cyWmrow1A-I X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW It's really strange the Hallicrafters S-118 has a power transformer. 2 6BL8A tubes a 6T8 and a 12BA6 and audio output via a 6AQ5. Now, with the 2 small electrolytics change it still doesn't work right. Same symptoms of rumbling and crackling. All the paper caps have been replaced. I guess I need to hunt up a manual on Ebay. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Tue May 13 10:50:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72957 invoked from network); 13 May 2008 17:50:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2008 17:50:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2008 17:50:40 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c01.3704161b (42807) for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 13:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:50:33 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=l8UpNNiZ5WfGOlyF87-V_Dn-n281Mw7uGBKtUqzEv9TWQO_zUaTcZsoDxkQn16Iw X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/12/08 9:20:57 PM Central Daylight Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > Does somebody know when the AM receivers started to be BAD? I believe it began with television. Before television, radio was the primary form of entertainment. Familes would gather round a console radio to hear dramas such as The Shadow, comedy such as Burns and Allen, sports like boxing, as well as live music. With the frequency protection afforded the 50 kW Class IA stations in those days, the dial was full of stations in the evening. The Zenith 10A1 was given to my in-laws as wedding present in 1941. It cost $179 in 1941. That was a huge amount of money in those days. When television took over as the primary form of entertainment, radio became to decline, as with it, AM receivers. The mighty consoles of the 30's and 40's, became the inexpensive AA-5's of 50's. Gone was the tuned RF stage that gave the consoles range, the powerful push-pull output stage, and the 10 or 12 inch speaker housed on a large baffle. With the 60's came transistors and a still further decline with the 5-transistor pocket radios and tiny speakers. As receiver capability declined, so the quality of the broadcast signal. The philosophy was why cast pearls before swine. Loud was the only thing that matter. High compression and limited bandwidth were the goals. Talk Radio and sports took over the AM band in the 70's and 80's as music formats migrated the FM band with increasing staturation of FM car radios. AMS came about in the early 80's, but too late in my opinion to save musicradio on AM. The technology had developed to produce an AM radio that rivaled FM, but number of AMS stations began declining until there are just a handful left. The tipping point was went the flagship and over Class IA stations went back to monaural. I know of alot of high end AM-FM tuners with the poorest AM sections. The idea was why waste the money if there is nothing to listen to that would take advantage of the extra performance? There are always exception to the rule. In the 70's and early 80's, KFRC in San Francisco and others put out an exceptionally high quality signal. WLS in Chicago fought the trend to go mono (at night) even with its current Talk Radio format.And there is of course our favorite KKJC. I am a big fan of AMS, but I am afraid it is going to go the way of the Green Hornet. That being, you can still hear it occassionally on a few stations but it belongs to the past. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue May 13 11:05:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76050 invoked from network); 13 May 2008 18:05:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2008 18:05:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2008 18:05:13 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cfe.2f9d14f3 (42807) for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 14:05:08 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo is OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=S48HaiJW2GUalY7KM2xFwKtaZyqh7B40kDUw9FjWka6lGdCKopmqRRQTqEHGgtRt X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/13/08 9:02:31 AM Central Daylight Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > Who'd thought Boy George was a fan of AM Stereo? > I don't know why not. At night, my sole AMS music station comes and goes, oh-ho-hoes. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue May 13 11:28:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71475 invoked from network); 13 May 2008 18:28:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2008 18:28:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2008 18:28:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 60800 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 2008 18:28:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HjGuXUcVM1mmHG8yZAQZiioiz3YVwY8gGO9NotqruyowtKqMMrVUPu_QYYVc3qKEmJ1BPtH0U_nLNzuLjLl1qgVgl7Gal6khyHYW X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 May 2008 11:28:12 PDT Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:28:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <785394.60777.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=4LIRH32bAANjdKkJOVN-x9GEBhBdu5gclvMximWfLZE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW In the late 50's GE decided to make a transistor radio that was equal or better than the BEST tube type radios of the era. They came up with the P-780. OH MY! GE Superadio...eat your heart out. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue May 13 11:58:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30425 invoked from network); 13 May 2008 18:58:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2008 18:58:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2008 18:58:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 71501 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 2008 18:57:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qly0i_0VM1npvnptgUdv79ArMYo_XxBhGTO8xZbLDRAPuVtlUHThsizVCeuHT4qvtg-- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 May 2008 11:57:57 PDT Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:57:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <550443.70740.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=vy2-PmhgMeYrxkKOsqD5ZW8nXxNfYb3WxwxY1H1zSdjVWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Sadly, there seems to be one side trying to improve things, then the other, but always out of synch. Today's AM transmitters are capable of better then ever sound quality, and that has been a trend I think since the Continental 317's were popular. Could be that the audio was just a happy side-effect of the search for better efficiency, though. NRSC and AMS could have been AM's salvation, but receivers as a rule sounded like same old AM, but in two channels (3D mud!), and without good first impressions, things were bound to go down the pipe, I guess. There have always been a few exceptions to the bad receiver problem, I had an 86 Cougar with a radio that seemed tailored to the NRSC passband, but was mono. When I got a later model, the radio WAS stereo, but sounded like crap...out of synch again! I'm lucky to live near Ontario, we still have a stereo station (CFCO), and a mono station that still believes in high fidelity audio (CKLW). Once they are gone, it will be the guys with the little rigs that will keep analog, hi-fi, stereo AM alive...God help them! BTW, wanna hear just how good or bad your area's stations sound? Build a direct-conversion receiver. It can be complex, or as simple as a slightly modified regen with just a tube/transistor or two. Basically a super-het with 0 Hz. I.F....the audio IS the I. F., and the passband is controlled only by audio filtering and the limits of your ears. It really shows what the stations CAN sound like. I built one and compared the stations around Detroit. Sadly, almost all of the locals are clean but with very poor high end. I know the receiver isn't at fault...CKLW sounds like FM, and on C2C, you can hear the accoustics of George Noory's studio! --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/12/08 9:20:57 PM Central > Daylight Time, > jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Does somebody know when the AM receivers started > to be BAD? > > I believe it began with television. Before > television, radio was the primary > form of entertainment. Familes would gather round a > console radio to hear > dramas such as The Shadow, comedy such as Burns and > Allen, sports like boxing, > as well as live music. With the frequency > protection afforded the 50 kW Class > IA stations in those days, the dial was full of > stations in the evening. The > Zenith 10A1 was given to my in-laws as wedding > present in 1941. It cost $179 > in 1941. That was a huge amount of money in those > days. > > When television took over as the primary form of > entertainment, radio became > to decline, as with it, AM receivers. The mighty > consoles of the 30's and > 40's, became the inexpensive AA-5's of 50's. Gone > was the tuned RF stage that > gave the consoles range, the powerful push-pull > output stage, and the 10 or 12 > inch speaker housed on a large baffle. With the 60's > came transistors and a > still further decline with the 5-transistor pocket > radios and tiny speakers. As > receiver capability declined, so the quality of the > broadcast signal. The > philosophy was why cast pearls before swine. Loud > was the only thing that > matter. High compression and limited bandwidth were > the goals. Talk Radio and > sports took over the AM band in the 70's and 80's as > music formats migrated the FM > band with increasing staturation of FM car radios. > AMS came about in the > early 80's, but too late in my opinion to save > musicradio on AM. The technology > had developed to produce an AM radio that rivaled > FM, but number of AMS > stations began declining until there are just a > handful left. The tipping point was > went the flagship and over Class IA stations went > back to monaural. > > I know of alot of high end AM-FM tuners with the > poorest AM sections. The > idea was why waste the money if there is nothing to > listen to that would take > advantage of the extra performance? > > There are always exception to the rule. In the 70's > and early 80's, KFRC in > San Francisco and others put out an exceptionally > high quality signal. WLS in > Chicago fought the trend to go mono (at night) even > with its current Talk > Radio format.And there is of course our favorite > KKJC. > > I am a big fan of AMS, but I am afraid it is going > to go the way of the Green > Hornet. That being, you can still hear it > occassionally on a few stations > but it belongs to the past. > > Mike > > > > > ************** > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists > on family > favorites at AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > From mjgrant@aol.com Tue May 13 12:41:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81481 invoked from network); 13 May 2008 19:41:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2008 19:41:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2008 19:41:11 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bbc.2339087b (39330) for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 15:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:40:57 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=hHCBn-vMFwFqNRERQqIPIRppEHc2pli7UPen6llb5cr7cCPbi-k7g4N_2f-pmLNg X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Working on an AMS design, the fidelity part essentially comes "free" given the state of the art along with bottom line issues such as efficiency, reliability, and economy. In the past, this was not always the case. Ampliphase designs aside, fidelity came at a high price on conventional high level plate modulated designs. First, there was modulator, essentially an extremely high power audio amplifier. To get any efficiency at all, the final modulator tubes were run Class B. To run AB or even A to hold distortion down would have cost a small fortune to built as well as operate. Then there was the 35 kW modulation transformer and reactor. Just to get 30 hertz full power response would have required alot of high cost alloy in their cores. The amplification chain needed to get to 35 kW was typically too long to put much negative feedback around before it would get unstable. You didn't want to even talk about IM distortion. The RF final was another issue. On typical output tubes in the 50kW class. the highest efficiency conduction angle and operating point rarely coincided with the highest linearity which would have produced the lowest distortion. With all that said, as I mentioned before, in practice these transmitters typically sounded much better than their proof numbers would have suggested. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue May 13 15:17:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93027 invoked from network); 13 May 2008 22:17:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2008 22:17:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.250) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2008 22:17:33 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c37so742421anc.56 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 15:17:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.47.13 with SMTP id u13mr479208anu.25.1210717049854; Tue, 13 May 2008 15:17:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Tue, 13 May 2008 15:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80805131517u67098aefwf87397ffbcb809ba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 18:17:29 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <630990.76950.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <630990.76950.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo is OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=nxVzXBK68-pDka2CBja8vy8ldHFJRmEphN4qeeQUFmeCNnP2m40dmCyE X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That was REALLY cool to watch! Thanks for sharing, I lvoed it! Paul Walker www.realradiousa.com On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:02 AM, John P. wrote: > Who'd thought Boy George was a fan of AM Stereo? > > Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsi-OCOPZRk > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue May 13 15:57:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62310 invoked from network); 13 May 2008 22:57:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2008 22:57:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2008 22:57:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49514 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 2008 22:57:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: G1D6MJwVM1kpaxlKNqJmHs_o0Pw73QK6th8nOYjfs1YOmkWQ__SoF.YS2iqi7VjFnA-- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 May 2008 15:57:17 PDT Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:57:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <692807.49210.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=r-yUWgYayhPBboZyJu1idWKjlj4NtgECeEUUaSQC_5B8jw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes, they sure did. Talk about inefficient for the sake of fidelity, Crosley built a rig with series modulation, called a "Cathanode" for WLW, proclaimed by the McIntosh Audio folks to be nearly flat from 20 to 20k, below 1% THD (eat your heart out, FM!)... and it made Cincinnati Gas & Electric very VERY rich! Imagine if a TV set was built with the sloppy approach of a typical AM receiver...no detail, wrong or no colors, NO SALE! It is far easier to make a great AM radio than to build a $100 TV that can conform to the fussy NTSC passband and stability requirements. Yet I see $100 TVs with excellent pictures, but a $200 radio can't do AM justice! What's up with that? Not too MUCH cost...too LITTLE interest, I guess. Does anybody besides AMS fans, MW DXers, and good engineers care anymore, though? I have my doubts... George "analog...it's just natural!" --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Working on an AMS design, the fidelity part > essentially comes "free" given > the state of the art along with bottom line issues > such as efficiency, > reliability, and economy. In the past, this was not > always the case. > > Ampliphase designs aside, fidelity came at a high > price on conventional high > level plate modulated designs. First, there was > modulator, essentially an > extremely high power audio amplifier. To get any > efficiency at all, the final > modulator tubes were run Class B. To run AB or even > A to hold distortion down > would have cost a small fortune to built as well as > operate. Then there was > the 35 kW modulation transformer and reactor. Just > to get 30 hertz full power > response would have required alot of high cost alloy > in their cores. The > amplification chain needed to get to 35 kW was > typically too long to put much > negative feedback around before it would get > unstable. You didn't want to even > talk about IM distortion. > > The RF final was another issue. On typical output > tubes in the 50kW class. > the highest efficiency conduction angle and > operating point rarely coincided > with the highest linearity which would have produced > the lowest distortion. > > With all that said, as I mentioned before, in > practice these transmitters > typically sounded much better than their proof > numbers would have suggested. > > Mike > > > > > ************** > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists > on family > favorites at AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > From mjgrant@aol.com Tue May 13 20:12:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99680 invoked from network); 14 May 2008 03:12:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2008 03:12:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2008 03:12:55 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bc1.30361562 (29678) for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 23:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 23:12:42 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=5MRN2UiKYNPP1UQgK1S6tG7bdPPjLEgZjbD1BIEGMh10PEt5RaA6RFy6LIOaqSE_ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember an ad for WLW boasting of their high fidelity signal in an old broadcast magazine my college subscribed to. Gates adopted the principle only ran the series modulator tube PWM Class D to get some efficiency. Because of the filter necessary, it didn't have the audio performance of the series analog version which ran Class A. In those days, electricity was cheap. Apparently, Motorola held a monopoly, or near monopoly, on the decoder chips. Motorola sold most of their semiconductor lines to On-semi. Some products didn't make the transition. Does anyone know if the chips are in current manufacture in production quantities? Generating the AMS signal in the transmitter is easier and more straightforward than decoding it in the receiver. One could do the original Hilbert method or just use a DSP engine to calculate a signal of the required amplitude, phase, and frequency. A Class E final really doesn't care if you drive the output to zero (100% downward modulation) or even beyond (signal inversion) in some designs. However, that seems to make Motorola chips go nuts. They must have a tracking oscillator that loses lock and snaps back to its center frequency and then re-acquires when the signal comes back sufficiently out of the trough. There would appear to be a somewhat complicated way of avoiding that, but that's another story. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue May 13 21:24:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21068 invoked from network); 14 May 2008 04:24:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2008 04:24:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2008 04:24:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82290 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2008 04:24:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mSZmQo4VM1l6FxAbImcxIiDB4h7qNBJx74clfo3.KwaeC.MLsFxhmDVmPcfEtGuI_dp7i2c.TUY7k_XafjDzlWPxswC5u2obfcLOFidPqcNs8mYVv8OfXwejHrE- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 May 2008 21:24:55 PDT Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 21:24:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <462365.82076.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=sRrrlakVkn9LaSL7ytFIDVzWIQcDjXK_Hf2llQNyoVMoGA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 It can be decoded cleanly, even if overmodulated to the point of carrier pinch-off or inversion, by using two product detectors, both fed by a LO locked to the carrier and shifted 90 deg between the two. "I" should yield L+R, "Q" should yield L-R and a pilot tone...or am I overlooking something? If my math isn't totally gone, making the LO level 6.03 db above the incoming carrier level (or 12.06 above the sidebands at 100%) would allow mod up to 200 % w/o a lot of distortion, other than the harmonics unavoidable with inversion. that's plenty of safety margin, I should think. I've over-driven my Alfredo Lite (not hard to do!) to the point of nastiness when heard on a regular set, but through a synchro, it sounds a lot cleaner...not perfect, but a lot better. Of course, this would still require an envelope detector just to obtain AGC, that or audio-derive it from the L+R output of the matrix. Seems to me Motorola used a weird decoding method...but then again C-QUAM is a weird system! :>) George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I remember an ad for WLW boasting of their high > fidelity signal in an old > broadcast magazine my college subscribed to. Gates > adopted the principle only > ran the series modulator tube PWM Class D to get > some efficiency. Because of > the filter necessary, it didn't have the audio > performance of the series analog > version which ran Class A. In those days, > electricity was cheap. > > Apparently, Motorola held a monopoly, or near > monopoly, on the decoder chips. > Motorola sold most of their semiconductor lines to > On-semi. Some products > didn't make the transition. Does anyone know if the > chips are in current > manufacture in production quantities? > > Generating the AMS signal in the transmitter is > easier and more > straightforward than decoding it in the receiver. > One could do the original Hilbert method > or just use a DSP engine to calculate a signal of > the required amplitude, > phase, and frequency. A Class E final really > doesn't care if you drive the > output to zero (100% downward modulation) or even > beyond (signal inversion) in some > designs. However, that seems to make Motorola chips > go nuts. They must have > a tracking oscillator that loses lock and snaps back > to its center frequency > and then re-acquires when the signal comes back > sufficiently out of the > trough. There would appear to be a somewhat > complicated way of avoiding that, but > that's another story. > > Mike > > > ************** > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists > on > family favorites at AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue May 13 22:30:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10305 invoked from network); 14 May 2008 05:30:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2008 05:30:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2008 05:30:40 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2008 05:30:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2008 05:30:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2008 05:30:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 05:30:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <692807.49210.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.200 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=-hmpB-0Silv8p5JUxjG1PndemQRCdlxN1GnqhL8oUSrhd7Y_OA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > Yes, they sure did. Talk about inefficient for the > sake of fidelity, Crosley built a rig with series > modulation, called a "Cathanode" for WLW, proclaimed > by the McIntosh Audio folks to be nearly=20 > flat from 20 to 20k, below 1% THD (eat your heart > out, FM!)... > and it made Cincinnati Gas & Electric very VERY rich! >=20 > Imagine if a TV set was built with the sloppy approach > of a typical AM receiver...no detail, wrong or no > colors, NO SALE! >=20 > It is far easier to make a great AM radio than to > build a $100 TV that can conform to the fussy NTSC > passband and stability requirements. > Yet I see $100 TVs with excellent pictures, but a $200 > radio can't do AM justice! What's up with that? >=20 > Not too MUCH cost...too LITTLE interest, I guess. >=20 > Does anybody besides AMS fans, MW DXers, and good > engineers care anymore, though? I have my doubts... >=20 > George >=20 > "analog...it's just natural!" >=20=20 But I wonder... Where, in this whole history, were/are the AM=20 broadcasters? It seems to me like an AM receiver makers and AM=20 listeners just issue but I think the AM broadcasters MUST do/say=20 something about it, too. In my country the reality was: some "mayor leagues" (Santiago,=20 capital of Chile) AM broadcasters killed the "gold eggs hen" because=20 they were the same who asked FM licenses (with the infamous province=20 repeaters) and they were the same who convinced the listeners to=20 change to FM. Today, I don't know how to revert it. It was a sad and=20 unfair history. But, we still broadcast in AM!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Tue May 13 22:47:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75289 invoked from network); 14 May 2008 05:47:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2008 05:47:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2008 05:47:11 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ca3.3054bf18 (29678) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 01:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 01:47:08 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=WQCm3Q-Cm0YVI5muuFrfM95F1f1LG2OaltX4ox3qvDryU01b1vkgNNoVANJV1lFW X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George, As Ed McMahon often said, "You are correct, sir." The only difference I would propose would be to lock the PLL onto the second harmonic of the carrier (which would be a constant 910 khz for a receiver with 455 khz IF). I would use a large enough filtering time constant that the loop would not shift appreciably if the signal dropped out during part of the audio cycle. It need only be agile enough to track atomospheric fade which creates a shift in phase of the receiving signal due to changes in path length. The reason for locking onto the second harmonic is it permits a two-stage binary counter such as a Type 3 Closen counter to digitally generated two reference signals, precisely in quadrature without phase shifting components which can drift. Then, as you stated, these reference signals can be used for I and Q product detectors. The L+R and L-R components can then be recovered and matrixed to seperate the L and R signals. The system is tolerant of signal pinchoff and even reversal if the product detectors are true four quadrant detectors. In fact, the system would work with reduced carrier AM as well as supermodulation although the mono AM compatibility would be lost. I don't know that is what the Motorola chips use. I think they use a tracking PLL to recover phase information and an envelope detector to recover amplitude information. This scheme can also be used to recover I and Q components. However, the tracking PLL must be able to track audio frequencies, so it must have a fast filtering loop time constant. When the signal drops out, the PLL free runs and then re-acquires when the signal comes out of the negative modulation through. The lock/loss of lock changes might sound like pops or clicks. In reading the Hilbert patent, phase shift is limited to +/- 1 radian which corresponds to 100% phase modulation by a pure L-R signal. Hilbert claimed in the patent that the tangential modulation scheme produced less spurious artifacts and used less bandwidth than linearly phase modulating the carrier with the L-R signal. He didn't offer a mathematical proof of this claim nor any empirical data to support it, but Hilbert was a pretty smart guy so I am inclined to take his word for it. The again, it could have been just to get around the other patents for AMS systems that did use linear phase modulation which is considerably simpler. Great insight, George! Getting back on topic, the signal out of the last IF on one of those old radios could drive an outboard AMS detector. One might be able to build one entirely with tubes. I'd use an on-chassis 6J4 cathode follower to buffer the signal and drive the interconnecting cable. The rest someone else can figure out. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue May 13 22:56:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62258 invoked from network); 14 May 2008 05:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2008 05:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2008 05:56:36 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.ccb.27b5974f (29678) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 01:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 01:56:33 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=6o5-3rDk0smOp2ACXM7OaU1SdJfEOdBaXTzUAKZoFG7uvOYub5v2mu7HQvbYYtlH X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/13/08 11:25:24 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Of course, this would still require an envelope > detector just to obtain AGC, that or audio-derive it > from the L+R output of the matrix. > In the Motorola system, the carrier level will appear as a constant (offset) in the in-phase detector. Just filter the audio from the output of in-phase detector and you have the AGC voltage although you may need to invert the polarity for tube sets. In reading through the specs of the Motorola 13000 series decoder chips, it really doesn't say what the maximum modulation capability is. It is spec'd at 50% pure Left or Right. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed May 14 00:00:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77448 invoked from network); 14 May 2008 07:00:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2008 07:00:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2008 07:00:02 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c98.27807ba3 (29678) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 02:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 02:59:49 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=cVeIJF_FX4EVnVxwOQg4YuS3qXjISCF_y2t8ETYR5Dri7kOCxokI_ixL6ZiBGKX5 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/13/08 11:25:24 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > "I" should yield L+R, "Q" should yield L-R and a pilot > tone...or am I overlooking something? > George, In the Motorola (Hibert) system, (1 + L + R) cos (Theta) appears in the in-phase detector and (1+ L + R) sin (Theta) appears in the quadrature detector where Theta is defined by the ArcTan of the quotient ((L - R) / (1 + L + R )). Screwy, I know. The only screwier was how Hibert went about generating it in hardware. It is obvious if there is no L - R information, there is no phase shift and it is just an ordinary full-carrier AM signal. You can also see why L or R only signals can never reach 100% downward modulation. If L or R reach -1, then the denominator of the ArcTan argument goes to zero. Thus, the modulation penalty. I don't know if anyone has conducted a study of L - R content in typical stereo program material. That would provide some idea from a practical perspective as to how much penalty there actually is. It is most likely large in a Talk Radio format with schizo-miking which isn't the proper approach to begin with. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@optusnet.com.au Wed May 14 01:22:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4999 invoked from network); 14 May 2008 08:22:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2008 08:22:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail13.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2008 08:22:24 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d122-104-68-214.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [122.104.68.214]) by mail13.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m4E8MKSI031722 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 18:22:21 +1000 To: Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:22:20 +1000 Message-ID: <004b01c8b59b$a1480870$0301010a@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-index: Aci1AfT+ie6xsrMUS+GorliZuQbOmAAl1Qhg In-Reply-To: <630990.76950.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Stereo is OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=E4q9hMFPW8lPdyBlmdc-Zu47DCthFBZtOlu-2gAd3m55 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Johnny Electron Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo is OZ Who'd thought Boy George was a fan of AM Stereo? Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsi-OCOPZRk Thanks Johnny for this! If my memory serves me correct this station was originally 4IP in Ipswich Queensland. It had such a good signal to metro Brisbane that it cheekilly challenged the Brissie market. It always was a progressive pro-active station. When we first got colour television in 1975, 4IP relaunched as "Color 41P". I guess you had to use your imagination. Now, of course it's moved to the FM band as River FM, as have so many other good AMS stations. I don't post much here anymore as frankly I haven't much to contribute given the current sad state of AMS in Oz. Here's something I recently wrote to Dennis' list ... G'day guys from Melbourne, Oz (former AMS Capital of the World circa. 2000) Don't ever think that as an AMS fanatic I've lost interest in this wonderful part of my life. I've always done what I thought I could to keep it alive in Oz. But I can assure you it IS gone. 2CA Canberra is the only reputable AMS station left - in a city of about 300,000. The other night I rang Peter Van (who does Magic 1278's 7 pm to midnight shift live!). Magic's ratings have NEVER been worse. But before I could try and discuss it with him he was full-on doing a wonderful pitch on how good Magic would sound next year when it goes digital and there will be a level playing field. He was BRILLIANT! After our short interupted chat (as he went to air) I wrote to station manager Gary Hoffman praising Peter's attitude and positivity. He's a good guy too. Below is his reply. Poor old Magic is now only rating less than 4%, and similar station 3MP is rating about 2%. But in its heyday (playing the same format very well) 3MP in AM stereo rated 14%. I'm sure the listeners are still there. At least we only have to wait seven months before Magic can launch in hi-fi digital stereo playing "The Best Songs of All Time". I think it would be better to call it "The Best Hit's of All Time" - but this is something I'll probably raise with Gary in the interim. God - I miss Magic in AM stereo so much! I reckon this is the next best thing. Ian Melbourne _____ From: Gary Hoffman [mailto:ghoffman@magic1278.com.au] Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 7:15 PM To: Ian Davidson Subject: RE: Magic 1278 Reply Ian, you seem to have a pretty good grasp on things. I listened to 4BH (online) for about two hours today and agree with your comments. In regard to the Jingles, they were great jingles, but were very tired after almost nine years. But the biggest problem was that they didn't have anywhere near enough variety. We cut them every whichway and there was nothing left that we hadn't tried. I'm a big fan of transitional jingles and they were too limited to do that job successfully anymore. Of course, the change to 1278 rendered them useless (couldn't recut them to remove the 693), but by then they didn't really "fit" the station sound too well anyway. I will try to get a new jingle package in my budget for next year, to commence when we go digitial, although I think my chances may be a bit slim. We will replay the 500 over the Queens Birthday long weekend, and yes, I would like to do more special weekends but one problem we have is the bloody variety we play already. It's hard to do theme weekends when most of that stuff is already going around. But still, your point is valid. I won't go into 3MP's success or AM stereo because I want to go home, maybe that's a discussion for another time. Regards, Gary _____ From: Ian Davidson [mailto:dav259@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Friday, 9 May 2008 6:34 PM To: Gary Hoffman Subject: RE: Magic 1278 Reply Thanks Gary Yes - I agree that SCB treated Magic almost as an afterthought. In a way, though the frequency change originally seemed successful for 3AW, it's ratings haven't gone up in the long term. If this is the cause of Magic's lower ratings it should be seen as a net failure. Hopefully Fairfax Media will run things better. At least 4BH in Brissie seems to be rating nicely (and in my view they aren't nearly as good as Magic). I find it impossible to explain why 3MP rated so well in the early 90s - playing pretty much what Magic does now. I'd like to say it was because 3MP was Australia's best AM stereo station at the time - but still, talking to others, I can see that many people didn't ever know that AM stereo ever existed. Maybe some heard it in stereo and didn't even realise. Anyway - you seem to be doing things right. All your announcers are good! The recent Top 500 Songs of All Time was great. Maybe you should do more of these things over weekends. I'd like to hear a weekend of double plays where you play two different versions of the same hit. Maybe you should also give some nights over to nostalgic specials of music from the past - like Talk 1116 3AK did in the early 2000s, even though most people didn't seem to know the station existed. They did create some great radio - before turning into SEN. Maybe you should have nights with a golden oldie like Normie Rowe, or Ronnie Burns in the studio, and take talkback calls. This would be a positive way to connect with your listeners. Peter Van would be great at it! Thanks for your response. I will be one of the first to buy a DAB+ walkman, and then hopefully again I'll be able to listen to Magic as happily as I did in the past. Listening at home the loss of stereo doesn't matter so much. You come in clearly and sound good. But listening through a walkman or car radio the stereo is a great enhancement. But PLEASE bring back the PAMS jingles. It's what originally made me like Magic 693 better than 3MP. cheers Ian _____ From: Gary Hoffman [mailto:ghoffman@magic1278.com.au] Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 4:53 PM To: dav259@optusnet.com.au Subject: Magic 1278 Reply G'day Ian, Thanks for your very kind comments, and your criticism of our frequency change isn't too far off the mark either, although I disagree about the ownership changes. Magic was short changed by SCB on many occasions, so I am hopeful life under Fairfax will offer a few upsides. The biggest criticism we get these days is about the frequency, and there's no doubt it has cost us a lot of listeners. But Peter Van is right about the opportunity digital provides. We will begin broadcasting in digital no later than Jan 1 next year, and the sound quality will be excellent. So all those folks in the metro area (it won't work outside metro) who can't get us now will be able to do so with no problems... as long as they buy a digital radio of course. And yes, we will be promoting digital very strongly. The other option is to listen on the net, which many people do - especially interstate or in provincial areas. Regards, Gary Hoffman GARY HOFFMAN Station Manager/Programme Director Magic 1278 - The Best Songs Of All Time T: (03) 9243 2128 | F: (03) 9696 8111 www.magic1278.com.au FAIRFAX RADIO NETWORK 2UE Sydney | 3AW & Magic 1278 Melbourne | 4BC & 4BH Brisbane | 6PR & 96fm Perth Syndication | Digital Courier | Radio Monitoring | Satellite Music Australia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed May 14 08:15:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15781 invoked from network); 14 May 2008 15:15:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2008 15:15:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2008 15:15:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 91189 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2008 15:15:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: U_QlTcYVM1lzZkDzOcw4x5_nDBgTJAqTAAASCbxf X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 May 2008 08:15:26 PDT Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 08:15:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <425569.90787.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: CKLW Harris AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=XO_a3pIvgk7TuBsYLXqT9Tb62C5QIYkEIxsioX1gR2jOY5um8T0wtkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio "The BIG 8, C-K-L-W" yep - some serious audio. Did you ever hear them in Harris AM stereo? I did, and it was entirely awesome. Somewhere in my vast archives (XYL calls it a huge junkpile of tapes) is at least a commercial bragging about CKLW being in AM stereo, and how you can win a Sony SRF-A100. Ahhh, those were the days. Wish I had a time machine set for 1983! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed May 14 08:17:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18614 invoked from network); 14 May 2008 15:17:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2008 15:17:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2008 15:17:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 373 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2008 15:16:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kvI2F1wVM1miXyEqrvrppoYr59va_YNyZGam38QddfP4sZksLGYLDPbRz9URL9BOWxfiBj_UZWgAR5ACbn.OzPL8dT30jGJQ X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 May 2008 08:16:56 PDT Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 08:16:56 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <659451.99884.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=9aTq2vaBNpCUtNBQjG5qQOHUZU3so-R2jbIBrshjQZQpT47PzwIcu_Y X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Speaking of Old Rigs, anybody know where I can get a schematic for a Hallicrafters S38-E, so I can replace the old electrolytics? When you first turn it on, one of the tube filaments comes on real bright, then goes back to 'normal' - is that normal too? 73's From mjgrant@aol.com Wed May 14 09:31:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48393 invoked from network); 14 May 2008 16:31:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2008 16:31:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2008 16:31:02 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c74.2b25870c (41811) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 12:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:30:54 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CKLW Harris AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=tMpt1LOJCx-ueWWkhponJuCu9Di_g9GAernhHFlPqzrYSkQ6HL2PWZHJ5XLy7ka0 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CKLW uses a directional pattern at night that nulls towards St. Louis, so I haven't heard them for a long time. However, when I was on job sites in Michigan, I listen to them all the time in the late 70's. Unfortunately, I didn't have an AM Stereo radio then. Nice signal though. The first AMS radio I bought was a Sony Walkman (not the SRF-42) in the early 80's at one of those electronic shops at the foot of Powell Street near Market. The first AMS station I heard was KFRC. Magnificent. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed May 14 09:33:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56525 invoked from network); 14 May 2008 16:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2008 16:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2008 16:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bd1.2d68d62d (41811) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 12:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:33:29 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=JehPlBEOClrr6HXOAnkkukfKYKAEJK5AY7mvqHGaJG3DUazyvr7lcxuBkLlbJSYP X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The filament thing is normal as I gather the radio uses a series string. Let me check around for a schematic. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed May 14 09:52:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20488 invoked from network); 14 May 2008 16:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2008 16:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.222) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2008 16:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W36 ([64.4.19.136]) by bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 14 May 2008 09:52:25 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:52:25 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2008 16:52:25.0959 (UTC) FILETIME=[E33AFF70:01C8B5E2] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=igVCS0lCoUgW48Ms8I4KTHpzdQf5u2QwadO8Rdk93ItNiSDU16aQ X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This address has a lot of schematics: bama.sbc.edu MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: mjgrant@aol.comDate: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:33:29 -0400Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OLD radios The filament thing is normal as I gather the radio uses a series string. Let me check around for a schematic.Mike**************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food.(http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed May 14 09:52:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72345 invoked from network); 14 May 2008 16:52:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2008 16:52:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2008 16:52:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42403 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2008 16:52:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4o9Z8VgVM1l7VUCFJUnID69HXpS0bBDro3UrsV9rDMkSXQEX0vqoB2v1kNH6b_tzudsUcblJIc72n7g8BvVuIHWk74UYQaVIXawvU8aDUP4IZqKsm.qw.jvflA-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 May 2008 09:52:41 PDT Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 09:52:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <959080.42322.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=f582fDgXG_r5FPTuyZQwg0EVzbnz-wDPmna1UisZSQs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > The filament thing is normal as I gather the radio > uses a series string. Let > me check around for a schematic. What radio are we discussing here? Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Wed May 14 10:06:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20887 invoked from network); 14 May 2008 17:06:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2008 17:06:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2008 17:06:26 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cda.2de539ce (39329) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:06:24 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=EJv1aYJBV8-QjIH_pUt3zJaRPBF6r5PRlb9-QhhAD3Q1fm3egz6RDhrrXx7A6FKv X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/14/08 11:53:13 AM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > What radio are we discussing here? > > Hallicrafters S38-E ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? 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(http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed May 14 10:09:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33073 invoked from network); 14 May 2008 17:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2008 17:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s26.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.226) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2008 17:09:22 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W54 ([64.4.19.154]) by bay0-omc3-s26.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 14 May 2008 10:09:21 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:09:21 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <959080.42322.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <959080.42322.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2008 17:09:21.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[40D55480:01C8B5E5] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=AAbUrAePsB4_1iLoVEWwGSXr4NcTJgh3ng_zVzlvgfhyW_cIiLOJ X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hallicrafters S38E? MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: w4opw@yahoo.comDate: Wed, 14 May 2008 09:52:41 -0700Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OLD radios --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote:> The filament thing is normal as I gather the radio> uses a series string. Let > me check around for a schematic.What radio are we discussing here?PowellNNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed May 14 11:03:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63172 invoked from network); 14 May 2008 18:03:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2008 18:03:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2008 18:03:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 33483 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2008 18:03:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: McCsYyEVM1k6ABDqTuF_tLaCOhsV_ca6xJMrToLg1rjRhRRFsM7SvUpYhCp5I9zl.tH6t.luQw3oMmDa2YQVBzKxizZpHukxq33WIO3zmUGEpYwDhS5BRcKVJMZMBK9UZtfFZKU6lsX1CnLFoOQRY5mqnS4NFj6vyb8- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 May 2008 11:03:05 PDT Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:03:05 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <531951.32017.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=TAxdRUM9DjeOsZscEOjnFgMv9XDkIy4DZG6oTO7eETSb3w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Makes sense...I think that is why most processors designed for AMS hard limit the L-R separate from the L+R. Of course, that can lead to some serious image shifting on moments of extreme stereo effect, but Orban has a way around that, some kind of logic that "talks" between the two paths. You bring up a good point, mentioning bandwidth requirements! I think maybe that was the clincher for C-QUAM, not counting Motorola's big bankroll to push it through. Linear (Magnavox) is a whole lot easier, and a great deal easier to decode as well, but I guess it is a bit fat, bandwidth wise. Too bad. Early tests at WOWO showed separation up to 40 db. was possible, and a single synchro can decode the whole thing. Just take the L+R at the usual output, then the PLL error loop gives the L-R. I'm told when they first publicly demonstrated it on a customized Phillips boombox at a hardware store in Ft. Wayne, it caused quite a stir. Would I ever love to get ahold of THAT receiver...only Magnavox-only AMS rig ever built! Here's an idea that could solve all the mod-limits problem of C-QUAM or any other system...change the audio matrix coefficients! At the exciter, reduce the L-R by 6 db, then at the receiver, raise it 6 db before de-matrixing. Yes, it would raise the L-R noise level a bit, but since that component is PM, it is not as prone to noise as the AM L+R part is anyway. That way a single input to either side could be modulated 100%, because the L-R in exciter would only be effectively at 50%. Theoretically, FULL seperation could be achieved even at high envelope mod, and even the "schizo-miking" (good term for it!) would not upset things. Fun to dream, but I'm sure somebody already thought of this, and had their reasons for not doing it. That's why they are engineers, and I'm a tinkerer! :>) So are you going to build an all-tube AMS set? I seem to recall that 6BN6 gated-beam tubes make good synchros. I think years ago I saw an article in an electronics magazine that used one for that. Ever thought about tinkering with the Harris system? Two synchros, one for each audio channel, seems you could have TOTAL seperation, even at 100% on a side, with no mess...of course mono compatibility just flew out the window... George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/13/08 11:25:24 PM Central > Daylight Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > "I" should yield L+R, "Q" should yield L-R and a > pilot > > tone...or am I overlooking something? > > > George, > > In the Motorola (Hibert) system, (1 + L + R) cos > (Theta) appears in the > in-phase detector and (1+ L + R) sin (Theta) appears > in the quadrature detector > where Theta is defined by the ArcTan of the quotient > ((L - R) / (1 + L + R )). > Screwy, I know. The only screwier was how Hibert > went about generating it in > hardware. > > It is obvious if there is no L - R information, > there is no phase shift and > it is just an ordinary full-carrier AM signal. You > can also see why L or R > only signals can never reach 100% downward > modulation. If L or R reach -1, then > the denominator of the ArcTan argument goes to zero. > Thus, the modulation > penalty. > > I don't know if anyone has conducted a study of L - > R content in typical > stereo program material. That would provide some > idea from a practical > perspective as to how much penalty there actually > is. It is most likely large in a > Talk Radio format with schizo-miking which isn't the > proper approach to begin > with. > > Mike > > > > ************** > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists > on family > favorites at AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > From mjgrant@aol.com Wed May 14 12:01:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25786 invoked from network); 14 May 2008 19:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2008 19:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2008 19:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ca9.254f9863 (30739) for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 15:01:33 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=eE2qXU4wCYWhd_uhDbtjMEg7DFECUfU9gQkoXOpHnx7EoVdA-WXyEZBuKmfS36LJ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/14/08 1:03:57 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > the PLL > error loop gives the L-R. The PLL in that mode is just a phase detector. The control loop locks the VCO in the PLL onto the input signal. If the input signal shifts, the loop changes the input to the VCO to keep it locked. How much voltage shift the VCO requires is the signal output. The linearity is a function of the VCO's voltage to frequency linearity. Here's the problem. The PLL must track the input signal at the highest audio frequency with minimal error. So the loop has to be fast, fast enough to lose lock if the signal drops below the minimum required by the phase detector. That produces a sudden change in the output signal causing a click or pop on negative modulation peaks that go below that threshold. Your idea of a slow PLL that locks onto the quiescent carrier with enough filtering to be uneffected by momentary audio frequency dropouts is much better. Because it is slow, you could run a very high open loop gain to keep the phase error to a minimum. I haven't done the math yet but upon inspection, I am not certain why the Hilbert system produces any fewer or smaller spurious artifacts than the Kahn system. By the way, thanks for the tip on Delta Electronics. They make some really neat gear. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed May 14 12:17:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99664 invoked from network); 14 May 2008 19:17:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2008 19:17:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2008 19:17:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 53391 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2008 19:16:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: s6rnGrsVM1m_6dyaWGzGl_sX8EezKKtzANBOrlx5M4dpOGlmEO8yEul.iEDg3zO4S_ec9Lg9ua9jrsSnCA87V22A4DUaY4zwGPFxn8xkITVLpFGqCvN5yA0hGA-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 May 2008 12:16:58 PDT Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:16:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <452466.53373.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=EOVlJvMF8mhKSIF9qGgnMr1Z8ojG7IMN8T-Pxz4yEQA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/14/08 11:53:13 AM Central > Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com > writes: > > > > What radio are we discussing here? > Hallicrafters S38-E I have a S-38E and a S38-EB and I want a S-38EM. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed May 14 16:44:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62831 invoked from network); 14 May 2008 23:44:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2008 23:44:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.100) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2008 23:44:41 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n17.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2008 23:44:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2008 23:44:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2008 23:44:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 23:44:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CKLW Harris AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=HIMtPPpif16P9eChly1a5SVYq7YQr8ZAIsQz8LD7XCWzqYtB X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > The first AMS radio I bought was a Sony Walkman (not the SRF-42) in the early=20 > 80's at one of those electronic shops at the foot of Powell Street near=20 > Market. The first AMS station I heard was KFRC. Magnificent. Sounds like the SRF-A1... I'd LOVE to have an 'A1, or even the rare Canadian Coca-Cola edition of the 'A1... Oh, well... *sigh* Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed May 14 17:21:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96545 invoked from network); 15 May 2008 00:20:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2008 00:20:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.212) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2008 00:20:57 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2008 00:20:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2008 00:20:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2008 00:20:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 00:20:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <531951.32017.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=nCHUGc5tZvaDRtOOWAqBdbaKn8badAMCDRRt0qpEel9cmfwi X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > >=20 > You bring up a good point, mentioning bandwidth > requirements! > I think maybe that was the clincher for C-QUAM, not > counting Motorola's big bankroll to push it through. The actual issue was harmonics- It's what put the "C" (Compatible) in C-QUAM. > Linear (Magnavox) is a whole lot easier, and a great > deal easier to decode as well, but I guess it is a bit > fat, bandwidth wise. Not any more than C-QUAM, if some of the C-QUAM technologies were applied! This is true about ALL the AMS systems developed. > Too bad. Early tests at WOWO showed separation up to > 40 db. was possible, and a single synchro can decode > the whole thing. Currently, C-QUAM can surpass that. > Here's an idea that could solve all the mod-limits > problem of C-QUAM or any other system...change the > audio matrix coefficients! >=20 > At the exciter, reduce the L-R by 6 db, then at the > receiver, raise it 6 db before de-matrixing. Yes, it > would raise the L-R noise level a bit, but since that > component is PM, it is not as prone to noise as the AM > L+R part is anyway. That way a single input to either > side could be modulated 100%, because the L-R in > exciter would only be effectively at 50%.=20 > Theoretically, FULL seperation could be achieved even > at high envelope mod, and even the "schizo-miking" > (good term for it!) would not upset things. The current specs are 125% positive modulation for the L+R and 75% for L-R. Proper tracking allows for sufficient and efficient channel separation. What really killed the Magnavox system was that it DIDN'T use limiters, particularly on negative modulation, whicxh only Motorola's system addressed. It's not a noticable problem on mono envelope-detector sets, but zero-crossing modulation actually does cancel the carrier itself out, which causes "thudding", hence why Motorola recommended negative modulation should be 98% (95%, originally). > Fun to dream, but I'm sure somebody already thought of > this, and had their reasons for not doing it. That's > why they are engineers, and I'm a tinkerer! :>) Like I said, already in the C-QUAM specs. :) > So are you going to build an all-tube AMS set? I seem > to recall that 6BN6 gated-beam tubes make good > synchros. I think years ago I saw an article in an > electronics magazine that used one for that. RCA designed one that worked with all the AMS systems they were testing back in '59-'60- It could get QUAM, AM-FM and AM-PM, functionally similar to all the AMS chips (minus Motorola's cosine correction & ∅-tangent circuitry), in that it could do any combinatio= n of Envelope, I/Q, and FM/PM discrimination. (C-QUAM is E/Q, rather than I/Q, but the chips do contain both Envelope and I/Q sync detection with phase discrimination.) I think the RCA schems are online somewhere.... It was originally published in a Sept. 1960 AMS review their lab published. It was built into an AA5 box RCA used to sell at the time. :) I have the paper in DjVu format somewhere here... > Ever thought about tinkering with the Harris system?=20 > Two synchros, one for each audio channel, seems you > could have TOTAL seperation, even at 100% on a side, > with no mess...of course mono compatibility > just flew out the window... Harris' VCPM was a true QUAM with variable phase (gave interesting results- The audio didn't suffer from platform shift, but the background noise did!), which was later fixed-phase (true QUAM), and was later converted to C-QUAM by adding limiters and changing the pilot tone to the C-QUAM standard. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed May 14 18:35:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11749 invoked from network); 15 May 2008 01:34:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2008 01:34:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2008 01:34:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96373 invoked by uid 60001); 15 May 2008 01:34:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: f._58sQVM1nUQOeQBhXkI4NbpV.9Ws9A69EL.RBSQ0ImMSAlB7NGqWtlZYtF757DGHdyRgjMN81PNJONR3CGtdy7RSgbtsHfz6raZbesS5Zqt96WeLnzLNUvENb5B3EPV3CAB2QRl9K40N2AI7MIQg-- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 May 2008 18:34:58 PDT Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:34:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <249854.96075.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=gHp9VaLF1dbZrx_69FyJzbyTA39lOWi3QowI_uYgNtQ98A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Darn! Computer burped, try again... Amy, I agree with all your points except one...the Continental Electronics 302A Magnavox exciter DID have limiters, seperate for pos and neg, and WOWO set their's at 94% max neg. according to then-CE Robert Culp. A great wealth of information and history on all this is Robert Streeter. Besides inventing PMX, and working with both it and C-QUAM in several stations, he has a lot of lab notes, test results, and equipment (prototype of the 302A included!) in his possession. We had a nice long phone chat, but I sent him an email as requested, and never got a reply, nor could I reach him again at his home phone. As he was ill at the time, and he is retired, I thought it best to not bother him, but am a bit worried. Maybe a ham operator out there can try to contact him? His call sign is W8ST, still current. He said he would give me a tour of WOWO some evening, and threatened to fire the original 302A up again briefly! It is still at WOWO along with the custom-built mod monitor. I think he was kidding, but if not, I would WALK to Ft. Wayne to witness that...SRF-A100 and recorder in tow, of course! All this talk of C-QUAM pro and con is still very stimulating, but I hope it is not soon becoming an exercise in historical record! Seems so, sometimes... George --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > wrote: > > > > > > You bring up a good point, mentioning bandwidth > > requirements! > > I think maybe that was the clincher for C-QUAM, > not > > counting Motorola's big bankroll to push it > through. > > The actual issue was harmonics- It's what put the > "C" (Compatible) in > C-QUAM. > > > Linear (Magnavox) is a whole lot easier, and a > great > > deal easier to decode as well, but I guess it is a > bit > > fat, bandwidth wise. > > Not any more than C-QUAM, if some of the C-QUAM > technologies were > applied! This is true about ALL the AMS systems > developed. > > > Too bad. Early tests at WOWO showed separation up > to > > 40 db. was possible, and a single synchro can > decode > > the whole thing. > > Currently, C-QUAM can surpass that. > > > Here's an idea that could solve all the mod-limits > > problem of C-QUAM or any other system...change the > > audio matrix coefficients! > > > > At the exciter, reduce the L-R by 6 db, then at > the > > receiver, raise it 6 db before de-matrixing. Yes, > it > > would raise the L-R noise level a bit, but since > that > > component is PM, it is not as prone to noise as > the AM > > L+R part is anyway. That way a single input to > either > > side could be modulated 100%, because the L-R in > > exciter would only be effectively at 50%. > > Theoretically, FULL seperation could be achieved > even > > at high envelope mod, and even the "schizo-miking" > > (good term for it!) would not upset things. > > The current specs are 125% positive modulation for > the L+R and 75% for > L-R. Proper tracking allows for sufficient and > efficient channel > separation. > > What really killed the Magnavox system was that it > DIDN'T use > limiters, particularly on negative modulation, > whicxh only Motorola's > system addressed. It's not a noticable problem on > mono > envelope-detector sets, but zero-crossing modulation > actually does > cancel the carrier itself out, which causes > "thudding", hence why > Motorola recommended negative modulation should be > 98% (95%, originally). > > > Fun to dream, but I'm sure somebody already > thought of > > this, and had their reasons for not doing it. > That's > > why they are engineers, and I'm a tinkerer! :>) > > > Like I said, already in the C-QUAM specs. :) > > > So are you going to build an all-tube AMS set? I > seem > > to recall that 6BN6 gated-beam tubes make good > > synchros. I think years ago I saw an article in > an > > electronics magazine that used one for that. > > RCA designed one that worked with all the AMS > systems they were > testing back in '59-'60- It could get QUAM, AM-FM > and AM-PM, > functionally similar to all the AMS chips (minus > Motorola's cosine > correction & ∅-tangent circuitry), in that it > could do any combination > of Envelope, I/Q, and FM/PM discrimination. (C-QUAM > is E/Q, rather > than I/Q, but the chips do contain both Envelope and > I/Q sync > detection with phase discrimination.) > > I think the RCA schems are online somewhere.... It > was originally > published in a Sept. 1960 AMS review their lab > published. > > It was built into an AA5 box RCA used to sell at the > time. :) > > I have the paper in DjVu format somewhere here... > > > Ever thought about tinkering with the Harris > system? > > Two synchros, one for each audio channel, seems > you > > could have TOTAL seperation, even at 100% on a > side, > > with no mess...of course mono compatibility > > just flew out the window... > > Harris' VCPM was a true QUAM with variable phase > (gave interesting > results- The audio didn't suffer from platform > shift, but the > background noise did!), which was later fixed-phase > (true QUAM), and > was later converted to C-QUAM by adding limiters and > changing the > pilot tone to the C-QUAM standard. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed May 14 18:41:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35836 invoked from network); 15 May 2008 01:41:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2008 01:41:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2008 01:41:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80749 invoked by uid 60001); 15 May 2008 01:41:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 90o3IZsVM1nQ76jvecXfu2cHfLVl1lNrIQZxAR6gEdGDNQ_.I17xiPz0JklAhY_2DfX2XJWidPgPPFuhziNMP6UEcQiVkKdZIulZSg-- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 May 2008 18:41:20 PDT Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:41:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <563235.80732.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} CKLW Harris AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=bQTElxR26zRe4QvRCDFaJJ7K5f7k-EhHC-eKDyuZWHEHyg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Wish CKLW had been back in stereo last night...they lost the C2C feed and played country music for several hours, simul. of CFCO-FM. Sounded great even in mono, so I was flipping between 840 WHAS to hear what George Noory was up to, then back to the Big 8 for the thrill of hearing them play music again. If they dropped C2C (I doubt it), I would have mixed feelings...hmm, music on the Big 8 (good), but C2C from a far station (not so good). George --- Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... > wrote: > > > The first AMS radio I bought was a Sony Walkman > (not the SRF-42) in > the early > > 80's at one of those electronic shops at the foot > of Powell Street near > > Market. The first AMS station I heard was KFRC. > Magnificent. > > Sounds like the SRF-A1... I'd LOVE to have an 'A1, > or even the rare > Canadian Coca-Cola edition of the 'A1... Oh, well... > *sigh* > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > From mjgrant@aol.com Wed May 14 21:04:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28024 invoked from network); 15 May 2008 04:04:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2008 04:04:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2008 04:04:14 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c39.2fd2623f (30739) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 00:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 00:04:07 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CKLW Harris AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=X-FdXjqUkcxh7PMlrVzyYy3LDthIsUaVpTQiNlf0UkXCEd-DkTbSt9sUrGLj4AQ9 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/14/08 6:45:17 PM Central Daylight Time, amymousie@yahoo.com writes: > Sounds like the SRF-A1... I'd LOVE to have an 'A1, or even the rare > Canadian Coca-Cola edition of the 'A1... Oh, well... *sigh* > Amy, Actually mine is still around somewhere. It was a A1. It had switch for two different stereo systems. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed May 14 21:42:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88635 invoked from network); 15 May 2008 04:42:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2008 04:42:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2008 04:42:29 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c6b.2fc2b960 (30739) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 00:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 00:42:06 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=94IQu_MUCllKORSq1CIESFXnrEqHvRPmEhA7HBIvSqVzIM4_pOuacW8nZBMhWXxK X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/14/08 7:21:32 PM Central Daylight Time, amymousie@yahoo.com writes: > Not any more than C-QUAM, if some of the C-QUAM technologies were > applied! This is true about ALL the AMS systems developed. > Amy, I beg to differ. In linear phase modulation system here is what is necessary to generate the signal: 1. Matrix L and R to produce L + R and L - R signals. 2. Feed the L - R signal into a +/- 1 radian phase modulator running at carrier frequency. 3. Amplitude modulate the output of the phase modulator with the L + R signal. The Motorola (Hilbert) System requires the following: 1. Matrix L and R to produce L + R and L - R signals. 2. Produce two carrier frequency signals that are in quadrature. 3. Feed the L + R signal along with the in-phase carrier into a balanced modulator. 4. Feed the L - R signal along with the quadrature carrier into a balanced modulator. 5. Combine the outputs of the balanced modulators along with an in-phase carrier. 6. Feed the result into a limiter to remove an amplitude information. 7. Amplitude modulate the output of the limiter with the L + R signal. Harmonics of the carrier or harmonics of the modulating signal producing sidebands out from the carrier? As you know, anytime you PM or FM modulate a carrier it produces multiple artifacts around the carrier. I am not certain why the tangential relationship between the L + R + 1 and L - R signals alters that. Maybe it does. I'd just like to see the mathematical proof of it. I believe the Motorola system requires a cosine corrector to recover the signal. I assume it's analog. I assume modern technology does better than what RCA used in their Ampliphase transmitters. That's what the "pre-distorter" was. With digital synthesis, either the Hilbert or Kahn system is relatively easy to implement on the transmitter end. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed May 14 22:21:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87512 invoked from network); 15 May 2008 05:21:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2008 05:21:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.220) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2008 05:21:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2008 05:21:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 May 2008 05:21:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 05:21:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CKLW Harris AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=XiaKDO5k_9q-kzyZyal4Q_lllyHLBn6jKkrCCU05x8PqLSSU X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 5/14/08 6:45:17 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 > amymousie@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > Sounds like the SRF-A1... I'd LOVE to have an 'A1, or even the rare > > Canadian Coca-Cola edition of the 'A1... Oh, well... *sigh* > >=20 >=20 > Amy, >=20 > Actually mine is still around somewhere. It was a A1. It had switch for two=20 > different stereo systems. Yes, I know- It works the same way as the 'A100- That is, Mode A handles (C-)QUAM, Magnavox, and Harris (and the RCA/Belar system, similar to the Magnavox PMX system, except for using a very narrowband FM instead of PM for the L-R component), and Mode B, which handles ISB. Why? Ohase-shift network, since to achieve ISB modulation, the L-R's audio polarity is inverted, creating independent left & right channels through phase cancellation- And the process works in reception, too. :) I love my 'A100, of course... I'd still would love to have an 'A1... :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From mjgrant@aol.com Wed May 14 22:53:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48580 invoked from network); 15 May 2008 05:53:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2008 05:53:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2008 05:53:05 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.ccd.33b0575a (30739) for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 01:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 01:53:03 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=k1YFc7bnFQqPKDxXroGoi_tYbHFeXxaNkOMWPKXkT4KfCEYYd3dDJ50p_PurIs1L X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/14/08 1:03:57 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > At the exciter, reduce the L-R by 6 db, then at the > receiver, raise it 6 db before de-matrixing. Yes, it > would raise the L-R noise level a bit, but since that > component is PM, it is not as prone to noise as the AM > L+R part is anyway. That way a single input to either > side could be modulated 100%, because the L-R in > exciter would only be effectively at 50%. > Theoretically, FULL seperation could be achieved even > at high envelope mod, and even the "schizo-miking" > (good term for it!) would not upset things. > > In the Hilbert system, it is not the level of the L - R signal that causes the limitation. It's the negative modulation depth of the in-phase L + R component. The phase modulation angle in Hilbert system is defined by: ArcTan (( L - R ) / ( L + R + 1)) When the L + R signal approaches - 1 (100% downward modulation), the bottom half of the expression approaches zero, so the value of the total argument goes to infinity for any finite value of L - R. The maximum L or R only amplitude modulation is just slightly over 60% before the phase modulation reaches + / - 1 radian. Changing the scalar on the L - R component to 0.5 ( - 6 db) redefines the phase modulation to: ArcTan ( 0.5 ( L - R ) / ( L + R + 1 ) In this senario, the maximum L or R only amplitude modulation is just slightly over 75% before the phase modulation reaches + / - 1 radian. In the Hilbert system with standard coefficients, if the phase modulation is limited to 75% or + / - 0.75 radians, the maximum allowable L or R only modulation is just under 50%. That's the modulation penalty. I find it strange that Motorola doesn't spec the limits on their decoder chips. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu May 15 22:09:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26446 invoked from network); 16 May 2008 05:09:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2008 05:09:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2008 05:09:54 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d0a.2442d509 (42805) for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 01:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 01:09:45 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: AMS Systems and Technology (was OLD radios) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=4OAdhfKvaHjP7KIycbvoh6wnMrfhOgLXWbxdhnoXsqDId-eEIhuMa17xw3mAIj0P X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/14/08 8:35:38 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > WOWO set > their's at 94% max neg. according to then-CE > Robert Culp. > Nice to here he got a job after I Spy ended and the Cos went on to sitcom. George, the more I think about it, the more I like your receiver/decoder idea with the dual synchronous detectors and carrier-locked PLL. I may build it. I have a tube Heathkit HiFi AM tuner that I can modify a bit to get a buffered last IF output to drive an outboard AMS decoder. It's very forgiving and pretty well electrically indestructible. Short of a tank running over it, I can repair it. I don't want dig into the Denon as it has alot that could go wrong and too many parts that can't be replaced, but could use it for comparison. My ECL engine driven AMS generator can do 95% L or R only modulation. That's the limitation I put in the eprom. Above that, it just limits the phase modulation to a couple of bits less than +/- PI / 2 radians ( 90 degrees). On the scope it looks like good with the proper phase and amplitude relationships. The AMS eprom does not allow amplitude supermodulation. It can, including carrier reversal. I just haven't gotten around to it and just set hard limits at 98% amplitude and 150% phase. I am interested in seeing what the Motorola chip does with it. With George's concept decoder, it should work fine. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu May 15 23:39:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68843 invoked from network); 16 May 2008 06:39:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2008 06:39:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2008 06:39:51 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d22.2634e0cd (42805) for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 02:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 02:39:48 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CKLW Harris AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ZNKGXn33E3_W9Wff8SwPGqER7XbOzbtMmpcMjuSgb363NyhyQSVQQMFVAXnyNLrq X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George, Speaking of C2C, the show's theme music sounds really spooky with WLS's skywave fade in and out in AM Stereo, especially on the car radio. I am glad to see WLS is keeping their evening coverage in C-Quam. That makes a big AMS footprint for people who would otherwise have nothing within the range of their receivers. Now if we could just persuade them to go back to a contemporary music format and put a Franklin out in Tinsley Park. You've probably guessed by now why I don't run radio stations. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Thu May 15 23:47:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59558 invoked from network); 16 May 2008 06:47:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2008 06:47:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2008 06:47:46 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c02.3566de84 (37080) for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 02:47:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hank (65-101-148-207.tukw.qwest.net [65.101.148.207]) by cia-db06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB062-90d8482d2e0a1d5; Fri, 16 May 2008 02:47:39 -0400 Message-ID: <002301c8b720$e04e8d60$6700a8c0@hank> To: References: Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 23:48:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "hank smith" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 65.101.148.207 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CKLW Harris AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=EEUD3wuh-M4RgcEQN8LbzzO-LPiDEb9wtfL556oGmG6oxgxOUQor X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there a way you can record it? I have allways wanted to here that ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:39 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} CKLW Harris AM Stereo George, Speaking of C2C, the show's theme music sounds really spooky with WLS's skywave fade in and out in AM Stereo, especially on the car radio. I am glad to see WLS is keeping their evening coverage in C-Quam. That makes a big AMS footprint for people who would otherwise have nothing within the range of their receivers. Now if we could just persuade them to go back to a contemporary music format and put a Franklin out in Tinsley Park. You've probably guessed by now why I don't run radio stations. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu May 15 23:54:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37935 invoked from network); 16 May 2008 06:54:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2008 06:54:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.143) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2008 06:54:40 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n16.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2008 06:54:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2008 06:54:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2008 06:54:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 06:54:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=6QIzg4vycQRqi-XUKJnfquqoZE-wPWGQGkPiIaCHHTcb2Aqftg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > >=20 > With digital synthesis, either the Hilbert or Kahn system is=20 relatively easy=20 > to implement on the transmitter end. >=20 > Mike=20 >=20 I agree. Theorically (into a math software vision) ISB is the perfect=20 solution because, if we use some "dreamed digital carrier oscilator=20 and modulator", it is the easy way (in the software domain, you just=20 create the carrier, split into three separate ways, modulate two of=20 this ways separately, one with the left channel and the other with=20 the right channel, filter the non-desireable sidebands and then add=20 the third way, pure carrier, and... voila! you get a very good ISB=20 AMS signal). I think this software would be able to produce C-QUAM,=20 too (even at the same time). The only one problem would be that=20 this "dreamed digital modulator" gives a digital signal (binary=20 stream not compatible with the real world), so we have to convert it=20 to the analog world and amplify it to our final legal power. I'm not=20 sure if this part is easy and cheap. But the problem still remains the same: Why to build a digital=20 modulator (to get a very good AMS signal) if the receivers still=20 remain bad? I think we have to get a "new" generation of very good performance=20 AM receivers and THEN to try to improve the TXs. Just my idea. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 16 00:12:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24648 invoked from network); 16 May 2008 07:12:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2008 07:12:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2008 07:12:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d15.241005bc (42805) for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 03:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 03:12:11 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=9mpW86YO4OIL8L44sz_se_1xiQc3OBD_cU81wEfvGNw7FZy3DYiuSI5PB7zb06Fi X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My ECL engine generates two constant amplitude / constant duty cycle phase modulated pulse trains. It doesn't take much to go from its 100 mW nominal bufferred output to driving a pair of 25kW output tubes, all Class E. It was designed to replace the exciter and driver stages of a RCA Ampliphase transmitter. You won't get anyone to mass produce a good radio unless there is something good that can be heard on it. To parody the movie Field of Dreams, if you build it, they will listen. Come to think about it, wasn't that movie set in Iowa where KCJJ is located? Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri May 16 00:17:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63298 invoked from network); 16 May 2008 07:17:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2008 07:17:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.249) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2008 07:17:15 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c34so189274anc.123 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 00:17:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.212.13 with SMTP id k13mr4202965ang.28.1210922231610; Fri, 16 May 2008 00:17:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Fri, 16 May 2008 00:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80805160017o1a1f3883r7b70faf8990b2a80@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 03:17:11 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: KCJJ 1630 Audio And video Feed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=2KUacy4RTdQu6TehBHmgpWmnY6fwz3Clr5BTiMTAh2ynQzAZoIY4k7nd X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit During the day, you can hear the audio of the radio station while watching a view of their studio. At night, you can hear the local police scanner activity with a view into their parking lot Check it out at: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/kcjj-raw -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri May 16 06:04:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54263 invoked from network); 16 May 2008 13:04:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2008 13:04:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2008 13:04:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14766 invoked by uid 60001); 16 May 2008 13:04:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 02b5KHoVM1mjdgvzZVACAjA.4wVTIiJfOmYUxhlIuyq3XQEx_v8kM4yikuVirM3RQct337V4px2WiD5qsdudcSfYdYxGWK5ml4DBV4C_RlvL_McWGwyzBZtQSg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.83] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 May 2008 06:04:53 PDT Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 06:04:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80805160017o1a1f3883r7b70faf8990b2a80@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <811196.14675.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ 1630 Audio And video Feed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=pL_CYjX_s307u8gSGHKe-gByyAYF9I3yjFYOecHptMA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > During the day, you can hear the audio of the radio > station while watching a > view of their studio. > > At night, you can hear the local police scanner > activity with a view into > their parking lot As I said on another list....bebroadcasting public service is illegal....no matter if you get permission....it's illegal! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 16 06:13:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13781 invoked from network); 16 May 2008 13:13:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2008 13:13:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2008 13:13:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c26.34e709c6 (30737) for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 09:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 09:13:09 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ 1630 Audio And video Feed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=CBpxTE9ei7uj2Yf-NCzJMzFcajqlPYkJHDmGlUc7HzOaqbXOLbyO-S7AL4rTb3Bs X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/16/08 2:17:34 AM Central Daylight Time, walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com writes: > During the day, you can hear the audio of the radio station while watching > a > view of their studio. > In my day, the last thing anyone would want was a camera in the studio, let alone streaming it over the Internet. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri May 16 06:29:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54254 invoked from network); 16 May 2008 13:29:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2008 13:29:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2008 13:29:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 78105 invoked by uid 60001); 16 May 2008 13:29:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hiZ0U6kVM1mIy0t4pDEz6krhzlCQ7aNa_PlD.Iy.0T9fdKVBnrkNXRW17uDK0ZGKi82oFedvve2YcXO5N.FVj4NVxAZsMuNAWLc0reqvZbuLICGijCowObn_mg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.83] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 May 2008 06:29:52 PDT Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 06:29:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <974956.78076.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ 1630 Audio And video Feed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=4__rt9sSoS_SyvGLZ3lHt2KZtADKFnnhlRQ_D7FggL4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/16/08 2:17:34 AM Central > Daylight Time, > walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com writes: > > > > During the day, you can hear the audio of the > radio station while watching > > a view of their studio. > In my day, the last thing anyone would want was a > camera in the studio, let > alone streaming it over the Internet. > Mike Streaming the broadcast studio at Newberry College ( and it's a Lutheran college) got some students in hot water. They weren't streaming online only but on the Comcast Cable in Newberry.....the Newberry College president had some important people visiting.....he decided to show them the studio on the cable channel. UNfortunately the students must have forgotten....the view was of some oral sex......ahem! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri May 16 09:01:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3988 invoked from network); 16 May 2008 16:01:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2008 16:01:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2008 16:01:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30918 invoked by uid 60001); 16 May 2008 16:01:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VvL0UZkVM1m4OTaas2hAh.Rb3CQdIXr4o7BJMoBeMFdplLI2rS0HV1Xv0SbFkq9pjHtCAJPAdvdCJqHbGFgGMP6e2dxhSkKteZqZTtKkAm5yj6T_X4en6IjLvHM- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 May 2008 09:01:02 PDT Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 09:01:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <872736.25122.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Systems and Technology (was OLD radios) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=uek35dnkbQ-G2CBllhjWp_dtvsYHZLzfZXFDm9I72tOtrg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 OOPS! I must have had "I spy" on the brain, CE's name was ERIC Culp. If you build that, please let me know what happens! I would love to try and build one, but don't have the proper breadboard or savvy to pull it off. Yeah, good old Heathkit...some pretty fond memories from my younger days revolve around that name. My neighbor bought the color TV kit, and I helped build it, we were both pretty pleased that it didn't blow up when we turned it on, and was actually pretty easy to align and converge. (set included a built-in dot generator...they really tried to make it easy for anybody to get a good finished product) If this thing works, Mike, you should print up some boards and I bet you could sell them! So this computer-driven exciter, is it putting out C-QUAM or linear? This is intriguing me more by the minute... George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/14/08 8:35:38 PM Central > Daylight Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > WOWO set > > their's at 94% max neg. according to then-CE > > Robert Culp. > > > > Nice to here he got a job after I Spy ended and the > Cos went on to sitcom. > > George, the more I think about it, the more I like > your receiver/decoder idea > with the dual synchronous detectors and > carrier-locked PLL. I may build it. > I have a tube Heathkit HiFi AM tuner that I can > modify a bit to get a > buffered last IF output to drive an outboard AMS > decoder. It's very forgiving and > pretty well electrically indestructible. Short of a > tank running over it, I can > repair it. I don't want dig into the Denon as it > has alot that could go > wrong and too many parts that can't be replaced, but > could use it for comparison. > > My ECL engine driven AMS generator can do 95% L or R > only modulation. That's > the limitation I put in the eprom. Above that, it > just limits the phase > modulation to a couple of bits less than +/- PI / 2 > radians ( 90 degrees). On > the scope it looks like good with the proper phase > and amplitude relationships. > The AMS eprom does not allow amplitude > supermodulation. It can, including > carrier reversal. I just haven't gotten around to it > and just set hard limits at > 98% amplitude and 150% phase. > > I am interested in seeing what the Motorola chip > does with it. With George's > concept decoder, it should work fine. > > Mike > > > > > > > ************** > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists > on family > favorites at AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri May 16 09:24:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71516 invoked from network); 16 May 2008 16:24:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2008 16:24:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2008 16:24:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8656 invoked by uid 60001); 16 May 2008 16:24:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5QLKOusVM1miRskR3FXzjUOBEYZMTTZeO.USxT44byjvSLOAxyYcrUurhgzQfB8X3gnyfye8epRBa.Dhbq1lnW47_txlKAtkmyMBjSxGpF.trqGNL5xX3Eno4Y8- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 May 2008 09:24:00 PDT Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 09:24:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <418897.8536.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} CKLW Harris AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Blp7_YY1mO__dyr78wTdiKwKO3QEIJtPSEDRKBZ178WdqA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Well, if they won't let you run a station...their loss! I think if WLS tried the old "musicradio 89" format, they might find that there is a big chunk of audience waiting for something like that. Problem is they look at those of us who would listen as a less profitable piece of the demographic pie. But alas, if there is any force tougher to fight than gravity, it is managerial inertia! So is the C2C feed in stereo? That would be nice when some of that cool bumper music plays. Either way, I applaud WLS for being un-afraid to keep the C-QUAM on at night, too bad other flamethrowers consider it a waste. Maybe we should get some investors together and lease XEROK like in the 70's but in stereo. 150 kW. of C-QUAM! BTW, how well do you get WLS in the Gateway City? George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > George, > > Speaking of C2C, the show's theme music sounds > really spooky with WLS's > skywave fade in and out in AM Stereo, especially on > the car radio. > > I am glad to see WLS is keeping their evening > coverage in C-Quam. That makes > a big AMS footprint for people who would otherwise > have nothing within the > range of their receivers. > > Now if we could just persuade them to go back to a > contemporary music format > and put a Franklin out in Tinsley Park. > > You've probably guessed by now why I don't run radio > stations. > > Mike > > > ************** > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists > on > family favorites at AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 16 10:51:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57809 invoked from network); 16 May 2008 17:51:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2008 17:51:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2008 17:51:12 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c31.30f0f87a (29678) for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 13:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 13:51:06 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Systems and Technology (was OLD radios) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=t60gB_ZxFJXBOb5iJ-wCU9xwdbJHFCVrl4Uy7CWbw9hyXZAe4BwZDcZzIkpq2I1l X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/16/08 11:02:01 AM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > So this computer-driven exciter, is it putting out > C-QUAM or linear? > George, It can do anything that can be mathematically defined, as all communications schemes can. I can burn an eprom for linear, or use a larger eprom and have it pin selectable. I wish I could find some higher speed logic for the engine. The ECL version I built runs at 870.4 Mhz which gives 8 bit true resolution on amplitude and 9 bit true resolution on phase. I could do time dithering to get higher resolution. I was thinking 10-bit would be adequate. The engine takes the raw L and R signals in two's complement binary, digitally adds the synthesized 25 hz pilot, digitally matrixes the signals and generates two phase solutions including the cosine correction for the constant amplitude square wave chains to arrive at the correct combined amplitude and phase output. Want limiting? No problem. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 16 10:52:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20512 invoked from network); 16 May 2008 17:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2008 17:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2008 17:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d2a.254613f1 (29678) for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 13:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 13:52:53 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CKLW Harris AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=_klel0x6CCCOtXjTS-EYOUGlWSSiE2UCgu_vC3p806JeGQpN-TfvVy-VfnEI59if X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/16/08 11:24:41 AM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Well, if they won't let you run a station...their > loss! > Some stations bemoan having operating losses. Just put me in charge and I'll show them what operating losses really are! Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri May 16 11:43:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60519 invoked from network); 16 May 2008 18:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2008 18:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.235) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2008 18:43:51 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c30so529355wra.14 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 11:43:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.106.1 with SMTP id e1mr5174170anc.24.1210963430397; Fri, 16 May 2008 11:43:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Fri, 16 May 2008 11:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80805161143q7df92ad8h993721436f8a376@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 14:43:50 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <974956.78076.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <974956.78076.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ 1630 Audio And video Feed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=wRhw5F0x36uQGSDVt2Hsev9dPk07k6NyrElHzUzMjt5YcIKB3uJVRpOo X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *Cues Bill Clinton*.. I did NOT have sexual relations with THAT woman! LOL I believe in technology and I love the idea of a camera in the studio, just means the DJ can't scratch his ass or dig for booger gold like he might otherwise. Paul Walker www.realradiousa.com On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > > --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/16/08 2:17:34 AM Central > > Daylight Time, > > walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com writes: > > > > > > > During the day, you can hear the audio of the > > radio station while watching > > > a view of their studio. > > > In my day, the last thing anyone would want was a > > camera in the studio, let > > alone streaming it over the Internet. > > > Mike > > Streaming the broadcast studio at Newberry College ( > and it's a Lutheran college) got some students in hot > water. They weren't streaming online only but on the > Comcast Cable in Newberry.....the Newberry College > president had some important people visiting.....he > decided to show them the studio on the cable channel. > UNfortunately the students must have forgotten....the > view was of some oral sex......ahem! > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Fri May 16 12:49:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79349 invoked from network); 16 May 2008 19:49:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2008 19:49:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2008 19:49:34 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.ce2.2d806ec7 (37097) for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 15:49:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hank (65-101-148-207.tukw.qwest.net [65.101.148.207]) by cia-db07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB077-90e9482de53f3a1; Fri, 16 May 2008 15:49:20 -0400 Message-ID: <005401c8b78d$f6062a10$6700a8c0@hank> To: References: Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 12:49:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "hank smith" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 65.101.148.207 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Systems and Technology (was OLD radios) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=nDFBdy668R29Dfx74HpGRp3cG0JeyQ5Mg_jlRP4U6txiVJy5oChe X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this thing broadcasting? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:51 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Systems and Technology (was OLD radios) In a message dated 5/16/08 11:02:01 AM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > So this computer-driven exciter, is it putting out > C-QUAM or linear? > George, It can do anything that can be mathematically defined, as all communications schemes can. I can burn an eprom for linear, or use a larger eprom and have it pin selectable. I wish I could find some higher speed logic for the engine. The ECL version I built runs at 870.4 Mhz which gives 8 bit true resolution on amplitude and 9 bit true resolution on phase. I could do time dithering to get higher resolution. I was thinking 10-bit would be adequate. The engine takes the raw L and R signals in two's complement binary, digitally adds the synthesized 25 hz pilot, digitally matrixes the signals and generates two phase solutions including the cosine correction for the constant amplitude square wave chains to arrive at the correct combined amplitude and phase output. Want limiting? No problem. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri May 16 16:59:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44639 invoked from network); 16 May 2008 23:59:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2008 23:59:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2008 23:59:51 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.101] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080516185922101887500010> for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 18:59:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002401c8b7b0$f46a6680$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <550443.70740.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 18:59:22 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=kgHaTRZdcmNnHk98r8SEKL61toWXaaaS3N5g7Snm8_32JyPmdGJk X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got a schematic you could share? I suppose I really wouldn't need it as the Meduci receiver is about as good as it gets short of direct conversion. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell BTW, wanna hear just how good or bad your area's stations sound? Build a direct-conversion receiver. It can be complex, or as simple as a slightly modified regen with just a tube/transistor or two. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri May 16 17:00:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78299 invoked from network); 17 May 2008 00:00:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2008 00:00:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2008 00:00:56 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.101] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080516190048102102500010> for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 19:00:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003a01c8b7b1$27d00de0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <531951.32017.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 19:00:48 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=PoMA6DH5-GjrX3-j0OMc3swFI8YqOmuNUKcua5-xblbi80SGD_5g X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How so? Harris was as compatible as any system. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell Ever thought about tinkering with the Harris system? Two synchros, one for each audio channel, seems you could have TOTAL seperation, even at 100% on a side, with no mess...of course mono compatibility just flew out the window... --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri May 16 18:51:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80391 invoked from network); 17 May 2008 01:51:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2008 01:51:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2008 01:51:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 95592 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2008 01:51:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AhkW0KcVM1k2bFGkGNjuCh2Y4COza75k5XtoyHcr1ZiQ..gbbuG5KlxOfW3uAiZJgB0XxHOx8D6uDBThzhq0.Y0adjLK530_ X-Received: from [72.241.177.103] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 May 2008 18:51:35 PDT Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 18:51:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <990841.95185.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: OLD radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=SPtyxqB14ag3X9Ko1Fng33tHPaRMpPtS5Dw8erTeRMhN5B_p8NrHuxg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Tell us more about your ECL engines - do you just burn chips, like a STAMP? Mike wrote: "...My ECL engine generates two constant amplitude / constant duty cycle phase modulated pulse trains...." From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri May 16 23:20:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66872 invoked from network); 17 May 2008 06:20:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2008 06:20:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2008 06:20:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 57500 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2008 06:20:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: s5H71LcVM1nLW00jx8I7UTZyuaU9pFjQd_lkLh9cYmUW7qPYFJwAMtH5C3GeQOl682Fa79dconcO7hy5ecwpgSAZVq4.dJMbBZdUw9T8FX9Raz0NOF0uaLBEG7c- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 May 2008 23:20:20 PDT Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 23:20:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <893789.56603.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Systems and Technology (was OLD radios) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=bgFOVfonzTyvs0FLQe9K0--OEJVs6UdoH7Am0AaPrC6C_w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Sounds like a dream exciter to me! All you need now is a bit of amplification, and continued apathy on Uncle Charlie's part.:>) Nothing big, maybe a quad of 4CX250s? That must be pretty awesome, being able to generate any stereo mode you want...I trust there is going to be some good un-biased research now! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/16/08 11:02:01 AM Central > Daylight Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > So this computer-driven exciter, is it putting out > > C-QUAM or linear? > > > > George, > > It can do anything that can be mathematically > defined, as all communications > schemes can. I can burn an eprom for linear, or use > a larger eprom and have > it pin selectable. > > I wish I could find some higher speed logic for the > engine. The ECL version > I built runs at 870.4 Mhz which gives 8 bit true > resolution on amplitude and 9 > bit true resolution on phase. I could do time > dithering to get higher > resolution. I was thinking 10-bit would be > adequate. > > The engine takes the raw L and R signals in two's > complement binary, > digitally adds the synthesized 25 hz pilot, > digitally matrixes the signals and > generates two phase solutions including the cosine > correction for the constant > amplitude square wave chains to arrive at the > correct combined amplitude and phase > output. > > Want limiting? No problem. > > Mike > > > ************** > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists > on > family favorites at AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri May 16 23:27:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39866 invoked from network); 17 May 2008 06:27:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2008 06:27:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2008 06:27:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49785 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2008 06:27:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eGZochMVM1k3bZ1OO1HnR9hXWebahyGsl6SriAsHCRHyCI4R.h81pYzu9MkHjr0mqjFEp554m.BDWYFrCIJ2E_rrtn4ATKaiRo5nrCMlPxK.ZnTQxqVpWNQdO4E- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 May 2008 23:27:09 PDT Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 23:27:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <356942.49368.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} CKLW Harris AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=4IsWAnkL_AsxCYj7fLWmpR9-BPkIKj2sM1IDlFP5_dFzUw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Hah! But I bet some of your lossy moves would eventually turn out to be good investments down the road. If I ran WLS, it would get it's Franklin, and then I'd hire John "Records" Landecker back, as well as a few other great talents. Would cost a bundle, but I bet a little patience would see it become a winner again! But I know what you mean...I ran a station totally in to the ground, but fortunately, it was my station. At least there are no investors chasing me with Chicago typewriters! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/16/08 11:24:41 AM Central > Daylight Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Well, if they won't let you run a station...their > > loss! > > > > Some stations bemoan having operating losses. Just > put me in charge and I'll > show them what operating losses really are! > > Mike > > > ************** > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists > on > family favorites at AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri May 16 23:46:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41644 invoked from network); 17 May 2008 06:46:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2008 06:46:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2008 06:46:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 71693 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2008 06:46:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lqLJQGwVM1kSurEZOD0ZF0lAyrpJlu8N9RBJubki82uDGE9kueeYsNWuIltcbFx3cPINz_.JIcXbJizkfVRSyG3V02pP9aLQWc1J.A-- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 May 2008 23:46:36 PDT Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 23:46:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <173403.70860.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: time for a feeding frenzy! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=w_YEPN5ChGY6cGjdKGqd8svZwO-kE75TcydNKmJxZKZYRQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Let the sharks begin circling...there is an SRF-A100 0n Ebay right now, so far at $9.95! I'm tapped out, but I just know SOMEBODY on this forum can give this puppy a loving home! George From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat May 17 03:15:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53126 invoked from network); 17 May 2008 10:15:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2008 10:15:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.141) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2008 10:15:13 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n14.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2008 10:15:07 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2008 10:15:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2008 10:15:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 10:15:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <356942.49368.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CKLW Harris AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=1582MtODVWafIzguhu5sFPgMFbRh2uHHfXVl6zq_h23reoJwYRRhd_MVHlHroRC7B1WqY1dv X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > Hah! But I bet some of your lossy moves would > eventually turn out to be good investments down the > road. > If I ran WLS, it would get it's Franklin, and then I'd > hire John "Records" Landecker back, as well as a few > other great talents. Would cost a bundle, but I bet a > little patience would see it become a winner again! > But I know what you mean...I ran a station totally in > to the ground, but fortunately, it was my station. At > least there are no investors chasing me with Chicago > typewriters! > George >=20=20=20 > --- mjgrant@... wrote: >=20 > > In a message dated 5/16/08 11:24:41 AM Central > > Daylight Time,=20 > > wlx1430@... writes: > >=20 > >=20 > > > Well, if they won't let you run a station...their > > > loss! > > >=20 > >=20 > > Some stations bemoan having operating losses. Just > > put me in charge and I'll=20 > > show them what operating losses really are! > >=20 > > Mike > >=20 > >=20 > > ************** > > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists > > on=20 > > family favorites at AOL Food. > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=3Daolfod00030000000001) > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > >=20 > > > Hi I don't think you would have to wait that long to have a=20 winner!!! Between talk radio and infomerecls some thing is going to=20 have to change on AM radio and its not the mode its being broadcasted=20 in. Just my 2 cents werth till june 20th. Jim S Moving soon YuK!!!!!!! From starship_2001@msn.com Sat May 17 04:55:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56200 invoked from network); 17 May 2008 11:55:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2008 11:55:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.143) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2008 11:55:10 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.15]) by bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 17 May 2008 04:55:10 -0700 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 17 May 2008 04:55:10 -0700 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.6 by BAY131-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 17 May 2008 11:55:06 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 11:55:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2008 11:55:10.0718 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBD671E0:01C8B814] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} time for a feeding frenzy! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=rW21RP1ZZOhuMdRD8SCSRELDetUyM1UPCvVypzXEEKbbdHt8YyY6dHE7Xw X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nothing here to receive on it......very sad. -----Original Message----- From: george russell Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 2:46 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} time for a feeding frenzy! Let the sharks begin circling...there is an SRF-A100 0n Ebay right now, so far at $9.95! I'm tapped out, but I just know SOMEBODY on this forum can give this puppy a loving home! George ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat May 17 10:55:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33285 invoked from network); 17 May 2008 17:54:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2008 17:54:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2008 17:54:58 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c4a.291a0eed (29673) for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 13:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 13:54:52 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Systems and Technology (was OLD radios) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=cc0MJmHAyVht-yul1WRhnpju6vzqA5nxKi97it15290dtmNFH1sswUtTiEeIqPAW X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No need for any apathy on Uncle Charlie's part. This whole project started by I know someone who has a 5 kW Ampliphase he is trying to nurse back to health along with a station license to go with it. Uncle Charlie would really like to see the station back up the full 5 kW. The Ampliphase principle has many strengths. It was far more efficient than other transmitters of its day. Wide bandwidth, which made them well suited for AMS. Their Achilles' Heel was the exciter. RCA did a yeomen's job with the technology of the day, but it was a concept that came too long before the technology to implement it. The exciter used cascaded analog phase shifters and an analog cosine corrector. Drift was issue, not to mention getting it tweaked to being with. Ampliphase transmitters were used as test platforms for AMS in Australia not all that many years ago. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat May 17 11:16:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78027 invoked from network); 17 May 2008 18:16:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2008 18:16:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2008 18:16:02 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d23.2549d366 (29673) for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 14:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 14:16:00 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CKLW Harris AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=oIe-1yX2iDGOpkDQ-hDyC3Fp0A2sRJm_jEqYD6pDwnQxckvv-hmARyhrzhTQpNbb X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/17/08 1:27:31 AM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > If I ran WLS, it would get it's Franklin WLS's signal strength has deteriorated in recent years. I am told it is ground related. Although is has a robust ground system under its half wave tower, the ground conditions of the Tinsley Park area that have changed and there appears nothing can be done about it. Some say it is new development in the area that has happened over the years. Some say it is God's wrath over Steve and Gary. Who knows? The consultants sure don't. A Franklin, in principle, solves the ground problem. It doesn't have one! The base of a full height Franklin is at zero potential. For RF purposes, it doesn't even need to be earthed. In practice it is for lightning dissipation. A Franklin provides the highest field strength of any tower. What's also nice is the center of radiation isn't at ground level, but rather elevated 1/2 wavelength about ground which would keep the Big 89's new neighbors in Tinsley Park happy. I don't believe anyone has attempted a full height Franklin as low as 890 kilohertz. That would be a tall tower, by far the tallest AM broadcast band tower in the United States. Something worthy of the World's Largest Station. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat May 17 11:17:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81147 invoked from network); 17 May 2008 18:17:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2008 18:17:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2008 18:17:57 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c9f.2c9d8efc (29673) for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 14:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 14:17:23 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} time for a feeding frenzy! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=lwoq_Elu4Ty_Wu1xe6Cl1QraC-fQEivIptttIBZrAxPwvqVjvli2j7fpm-BGQp67 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sure the snipers have their weapons loaded and are sighting in as we speak. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat May 17 16:20:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5641 invoked from network); 17 May 2008 23:20:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2008 23:20:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2008 23:20:54 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.136] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080517182020100607000010> for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 18:20:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003101c8b874$adb07940$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 18:20:20 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Systems and Technology (was OLD radios) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=BCz_juyu51AKlFRf2Xama2WsGWoPpTWS5Eu1qaw39lKjMKL5OOcB X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I used to work with a guy who at one time was chief engineer at KFGO in Fargo, ND. He said that the worst transmitter ever to try and get stereo was the 5kW RCA Ampliphase. He explained it used a different sort of overall feedback than did their 50kW rigs which were much easier to get stereo. In fact, KFGO relegated their Ampliphase to standby status and went back to their old transmitter when they went stereo. Unfortunately AMS was killed during an ownership change years later. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com No need for any apathy on Uncle Charlie's part. This whole project started by I know someone who has a 5 kW Ampliphase he is trying to nurse back to health along with a station license to go with it. Uncle Charlie would really like to see the station back up the full 5 kW. The Ampliphase principle has many strengths. It was far more efficient than other transmitters of its day. Wide bandwidth, which made them well suited for AMS. Their Achilles' Heel was the exciter. RCA did a yeomen's job with the technology of the day, but it was a concept that came too long before the technology to implement it. The exciter used cascaded analog phase shifters and an analog cosine corrector. Drift was issue, not to mention getting it tweaked to being with. Ampliphase transmitters were used as test platforms for AMS in Australia not all that many years ago. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat May 17 16:24:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58093 invoked from network); 17 May 2008 23:24:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2008 23:24:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2008 23:24:36 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.136] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080517182421101030700010> for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 18:24:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004001c8b875$3d69fde0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <893789.56603.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 18:24:21 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AMS Systems and Technology (was OLD radios) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=HhiCAaguNR4rP6fHVPro8OOFNDexVrRtW1lnDXQoavClZbkocpeD X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thing is, if it's generating the entire CQUAM signal the amplifiers will have to be linear. If it's just generating the L-R then it can use conventional class C amplification where the L+R is added at the modulator. I wasn't quite clear on what the generator was putting out. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sounds like a dream exciter to me! All you need now is a bit of amplification, and continued apathy on Uncle Charlie's part.:>) Nothing big, maybe a quad of 4CX250s? That must be pretty awesome, being able to generate any stereo mode you want --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat May 17 16:35:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61523 invoked from network); 17 May 2008 23:35:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2008 23:35:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2008 23:35:05 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.136] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080517183453102190400010> for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 18:34:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00bc01c8b876$b6316000$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 18:34:53 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Jim's move X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=WyiBnG0TOONjWkJxgLretyOr62ITYWFtd1LykZ3rZq4oCAtSZwlR X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Will you still be in the same area or will you be moving far enough away to see if there are other stations that might be interested in a cheap conversion to stereo? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith Just my 2 cents werth till june 20th. Jim S Moving soon YuK!!!!!!! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Sat May 17 16:39:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96855 invoked from network); 17 May 2008 23:39:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2008 23:39:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.112) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2008 23:39:47 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2008 23:39:47 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2008 23:39:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 May 2008 23:39:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 23:39:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00bc01c8b876$b6316000$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.201 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Jim's move X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=ARaKTtGHeeXr6jn2_d3gIZq4fL1DfJOroMVNS-fE9rIpwo_Xt924jOklqsPYz3HcHYPonxWe X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Will you still be in the same area or will you be moving far enough=20 away to see if there are other stations that might be interested in a=20 cheap conversion to stereo? >=20 > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jim smith=20 > Just my 2 cents werth till june 20th. Jim S Moving soon YuK!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Scott Yes I am staying in the same area. We all ready talked about=20 this Scott. Jim S From bclsiciliaclub@inwind.it Sun May 18 08:05:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bclsiciliaclub@inwind.it X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91040 invoked from network); 18 May 2008 15:05:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2008 15:05:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO cp-out7.libero.it) (212.52.84.107) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2008 15:05:30 -0000 X-Received: from pc2f320b38c6b6 (151.33.243.122) by cp-out7.libero.it (8.5.014) id 482C21810074238B for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 18 May 2008 17:05:29 +0200 Message-ID: <010401c8b8f8$9d7e27f0$0301a8c0@pc2f320b38c6b6> To: Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:05:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 212.52.84.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: "bclnews.it" Subject: Radio Broadcast Italia testing on 1485 Khz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111157203; y=mUd1Ju-KGBqOstkcuDTK0QqpGQqxlVjdZheenNXGxKZoNrI0fisn_8s X-Yahoo-Profile: bclsiciliaclub Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit New tx on mediumwave in Rome for Radio Broadcast Italia testing on 1485 Khz (150 watt, FP 1 Kw). They have also a little TX in fm operating from Frosinone area. I think they'll operate in stereo very soon... Roberto Scaglione http://www.bclnews.it [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun May 18 13:19:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57599 invoked from network); 18 May 2008 20:19:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2008 20:19:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2008 20:19:22 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.ca6.27cb3449 (41811) for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 16:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 16:19:18 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Broadcast Italia testing on 1485 Khz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=6flrGXvzhSQLnpsza8Lvp2c3JB8OuDQfABd9eeAvnVctS-w8Qy6zmUHYOYXN7Cau X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/18/08 10:05:44 AM Central Daylight Time, bclsiciliaclub@inwind.it writes: > New tx on mediumwave in Rome for Radio Broadcast Italia testing on 1485 Khz > (150 watt, FP 1 Kw). They have also a little TX in fm operating from > Frosinone area. I think they'll operate in stereo very soon... > > That may be a bit hard to get here in midcontinental North America. However, if I ever get to Rome, as I hope someday I might, I will be certain to listen. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun May 18 13:41:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39993 invoked from network); 18 May 2008 20:41:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2008 20:41:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2008 20:41:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98234 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2008 20:41:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2PZRWyYVM1mHlIFdPALRKteXZVfDTYqwVv359syZNNAZUKIyA_KbEcPFB2DMT3aVJZvjllS2fK18teHs7KmAbq4DMxmZn__JJ3AR6maScQGBmMsPsArKqeqNuOQ- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 May 2008 13:41:54 PDT Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 13:41:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <380596.98051.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Broadcast Italia testing on 1485 Khz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=kOmMbCAm0Jx-MubRA2ZnN3kG_66ZuVjfiqmgf_wjxWeiGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 All they need is some soil like KCJJ sits on! G --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/18/08 10:05:44 AM Central > Daylight Time, > bclsiciliaclub@inwind.it writes: > > > > New tx on mediumwave in Rome for Radio Broadcast > Italia testing on 1485 Khz > > (150 watt, FP 1 Kw). They have also a little TX in > fm operating from > > Frosinone area. I think they'll operate in stereo > very soon... > > > > > > That may be a bit hard to get here in midcontinental > North America. However, > if I ever get to Rome, as I hope someday I might, I > will be certain to > listen. > > Mike > > > ************** > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists > on > family favorites at AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon May 19 13:24:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38017 invoked from network); 19 May 2008 20:24:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2008 20:24:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp122.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.95) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2008 20:24:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 57528 invoked from network); 19 May 2008 20:24:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO i5d3d0) (jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net@75.18.51.150 with login) by smtp122.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2008 20:24:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pj4N3ScVM1mOarWTCZa2U0.Exd_sbee6Rcr0.ycoxyreLLtKKqVKjOwNo2xyG0GxTcF0vh55c49JvA93RTJOQASqnU.a5Wbcj5DC7sTTg__U6QCfISxLwvrw30YaQT8HTzg- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000901c8b9ee$b7a29660$f968fea9@i5d3d0> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 13:27:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=JLXSqEQuBqS62sZpxhrVxwXOuiWtEeyjZKxrsA8Fb3M1LAy-BCM2zmT5KMo98lSUo8NdqWjZ X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Well I got to comferm what some one else told me about AM HD . It dose sound like a web stream. witch I will have to admit that it dose sound better then a narrow band AM radio. The station I got to hear was KFBK AM 1530 HD STEREO. But!!!!! Its nothing like good old fashioned C-QuAM AM STEREO. And for HD AM's sound it still not worth the noise it makes on the AM band. Sorry WOR AM 710. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Mon May 19 14:47:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92642 invoked from network); 19 May 2008 21:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2008 21:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.166) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2008 21:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2008 21:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2008 21:47:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2008 21:47:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 21:47:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c8b9ee$b7a29660$f968fea9@i5d3d0> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=1JuRxfmqEq9k5BD52PXRO4G1yMOKhInCJUAqbp9qpDvaq1oj7yoV X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Add to the fact that IBOC doesn't decode for nearly the listening distance at night as would a simple analog broadcast. Bob in Vermont --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > Hi Gang Well I got to comferm what some one else told me about AM HD . It dose sound like a web stream. witch I will have to admit that it dose sound better then a narrow band AM radio. The station I got to hear was KFBK AM 1530 HD STEREO. But!!!!! Its nothing like good old fashioned C-QuAM AM STEREO. And for HD AM's sound it still not worth the noise it makes on the AM band. Sorry WOR AM 710. Jim S >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon May 19 15:56:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2043 invoked from network); 19 May 2008 22:56:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2008 22:56:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.248) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2008 22:56:38 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c24so631498ana.23 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 15:56:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.226.6 with SMTP id y6mr8543477ang.131.1211237794965; Mon, 19 May 2008 15:56:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Mon, 19 May 2008 15:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80805191556m64f6e847lc7a8e58fdd24683b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 18:56:34 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000901c8b9ee$b7a29660$f968fea9@i5d3d0> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000901c8b9ee$b7a29660$f968fea9@i5d3d0> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=FQcyT_q8oNJjSCyubmp7XFF1KaP8Q68XtD3B_EC1nAyqHcXvKmECZa8W X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HD is not in Stereo. And you seriously expected HD Am to be i nStrereo? Paul On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 4:27 PM, jim smith wrote: > Hi Gang Well I got to comferm what some one else told me about AM HD . > It dose sound like a web stream. witch I will have to admit that it dose > sound better then a narrow band AM radio. The station I got to hear was KFBK > AM 1530 HD STEREO. But!!!!! Its nothing like good old fashioned C-QuAM AM > STEREO. And for HD AM's sound it still not worth the noise it makes on the > AM band. Sorry WOR AM 710. Jim S > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Mon May 19 16:27:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36973 invoked from network); 19 May 2008 23:27:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2008 23:27:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao107.cox.net) (68.230.241.39) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2008 23:27:01 -0000 X-Received: from fed1rmimpo03.cox.net ([70.169.32.75]) by fed1rmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080519232702.UAZZ12068.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 19:27:02 -0400 X-Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id TbT01Z00d1sYu8404bT0C0; Mon, 19 May 2008 19:27:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80805191556m64f6e847lc7a8e58fdd24683b@mail.gmail.com> References: <000901c8b9ee$b7a29660$f968fea9@i5d3d0> <8bce0fe80805191556m64f6e847lc7a8e58fdd24683b@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 16:26:58 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=2gJC6Q02WVGiv7Kb89R4JSErp326dvbLjRIcqSdfqM1gCPs8LdXDFlvDmGy4 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, it is. If the station broadcasts it in stereo. On May 19, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > HD is not in Stereo. > > And you seriously expected HD Am to be i nStrereo? > > Paul > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Mon May 19 16:39:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72270 invoked from network); 19 May 2008 23:39:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2008 23:39:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2008 23:39:28 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2008 23:39:28 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2008 23:39:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2008 23:39:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 23:39:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80805191556m64f6e847lc7a8e58fdd24683b@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.200 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=6WKGZk4sYiSGI7r0yI9CpgdgAnydQEurNTKJBoOOytWpmpD84545K83dDADt7V05FVil53Cb X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 wrote: > > HD is not in Stereo. >=20 > And you seriously expected HD Am to be i nStrereo? >=20 > Paul >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 4:27 PM, jim smith > wrote: >=20 > > Hi Gang Well I got to comferm what some one else told me about=20 AM HD . > > It dose sound like a web stream. witch I will have to admit that=20 it dose > > sound better then a narrow band AM radio. The station I got to=20 hear was KFBK > > AM 1530 HD STEREO. But!!!!! Its nothing like good old fashioned C- QuAM AM > > STEREO. And for HD AM's sound it still not worth the noise it=20 makes on the > > AM band. Sorry WOR AM 710. Jim S > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > http://www.realradiousa.com > http://www.radio-talk.net > http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > walkerbroadcasting@... >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Paul Yes KFBK AM 1530 HD STEREO . When thay went to bumpers=20 music and camercals thay are in stereo on that station. Analog FM=20 like .....I think not. Jim S P.S I am just a radio listener . Thats=20 what you guys work for. From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon May 19 19:24:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52964 invoked from network); 20 May 2008 02:24:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2008 02:24:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2008 02:24:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13002 invoked by uid 60001); 20 May 2008 02:24:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ShGbbscVM1nuPveZc5qoxgLQw4k37CHrJwQf1eZWlL_80trg25t8.WmI9A9RIfcBt2gWxfqcpaS6MYf.OpOmUwI8a3TtzZT9Zn._WZh3yvridNw3zzRjn6ksCbI- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 May 2008 19:24:30 PDT Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 19:24:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <640626.80185.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=-3s5Lv9sP33Igm3ZaztA9MO6cxSMQaOlkpS18bR5k7vnyA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I hope all those stations clogging up the band with IBOC garbage read you guy's letters! IBOC is a success only for those criminal snake-oil peddlers who fleeced the station owners into buying into it. It is a dismal failure for the listeners. We still have a C-QUAM station in the Detroit area (630 CFCO), and it doesn't interfere at all with 620 or 640. We are now "missing" a dozen or more allocations at night thanks to the #&$#@ buzz and hiss of WWJ, WMUZ, and several others. Even in the daytime, 580 CKWW is messed up by 560's fat and filthy upper. Never mind the fact that CKWW (actually playing music with decent fidelity), has many times the listeners of 560's "I'll pray when you pay". (I guess it's OK to jam a channel as long as it's not in the U.S.. Canada should be having a royal fit about this...did we learn nothing from the Doc Brinkley/XERA days?) Stereo or not, right now the only high-definition AM is real full bandwidth analog heard with a decent receiver! I listen to CKLW (still full bandwidth) nightly on a dirt-cheap home-made wide band rig, and I will buy tomorrow any HD rig that can rival it for sound quality. Ibiquity, GIVE UP...IBOC on AM is good for NOTHING! You've done more damage to AM than ClearChannel, the FCC, and the death of NARBA combined! This tired worn-out concept that "if it's digital, it must be better" doesn't wash anymore! (ask anybody with a good turntable or fast reel-reel deck and a cheap MP3 player) When you can figure out a way to wrap around 250-300 kb/sec (or preferably much more) into an AM channel, WITH the footprint of C-QUAM, and WITHOUT the adjacent hash-trash, THEN I will bow to your engineering miracle and buy an HD radio...until then, I'd rather listen to my Granddaddy's Atwater-Kent! Now that I've had my red-faced rant (and a brisk walk and a cigarette), has anybody heard CAM-D, or more importantly, heard the adjacent channels to such a station? Supposedly, several stations are using it, including one here in Michigan, but I haven't the opportunity yet to get within range of it. I would be very interested in knowing if it lives up to Mr. Kahn's claims! If it DOES, then it is time to barrage the FCC (all 5 brain cells of them) with a letter-writing campaign. George "analog...it's just natural!" --- jim smith wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. > Walker, Jr." > wrote: > > > > HD is not in Stereo. > > > > And you seriously expected HD Am to be i nStrereo? > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 4:27 PM, jim smith > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Gang Well I got to comferm what some one > else told me about > AM HD . > > > It dose sound like a web stream. witch I will > have to admit that > it dose > > > sound better then a narrow band AM radio. The > station I got to > hear was KFBK > > > AM 1530 HD STEREO. But!!!!! Its nothing like > good old fashioned C- > QuAM AM > > > STEREO. And for HD AM's sound it still not worth > the noise it > makes on the > > > AM band. Sorry WOR AM 710. Jim S > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sincerely, > > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > > http://www.realradiousa.com > > http://www.radio-talk.net > > http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting > > walkerbroadcasting@... > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Hi Paul Yes KFBK AM 1530 HD STEREO . When thay > went to bumpers > music and camercals thay are in stereo on that > station. Analog FM > like .....I think not. Jim S P.S I am just a radio > listener . Thats > what you guys work for. > > From mjgrant@aol.com Mon May 19 22:19:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34085 invoked from network); 20 May 2008 05:19:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2008 05:19:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2008 05:19:12 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d22.26a8d90c (39331) for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 01:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 01:19:01 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=dvCetMc9irE7PDdGkdPsSrBj79FnvffncJrnCFcgJ_k1-dIKm_sSAAUida4DRk1i X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KFBK has a really hot signal, especially north and south. In fact, it has the highest 1 km field intensity of any standard broadcast station in the United States, thanks to a pair of full Franklin towers. I assume HD uses a digital compression format. If it is like the MP3 format, it is not loss-less. When you listen to nothing but MP3's, you forget what the original sounded like. I listen to alot of MP3's on YouTube and paid downloads. To me, they sounded good. It had been a couple of years since I listen to a CD. Walmart had a cheap Lionel Richie CD which I couldn't resist. After listening to "You Are" on CD, it was surprising just how much is lost on MP3. I had a rental truck with XM. To me, it sounds creepy. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon May 19 22:40:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82512 invoked from network); 20 May 2008 05:40:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2008 05:40:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2008 05:40:22 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c8c.2007bb13 (39331) for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 01:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 01:40:11 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=NBHen9DqRyLUljra0aQHyuIpD8BpCY72cUD7eCma8TeOx9ApxhMSm9gy7lGIEAp5 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit C-Quam, as KFRC and KCJJ implemented it, sounds very natural. It doesn't have the highs most people can't hear anyway after age 40 like FM Stereo. It tends to be a bit more mellow, but still clear and lifelike. Somebody is spending alot of money promoting HD radio. I suspect many regional and local AMers outside major markets would have more listeners than their HD audience if they just put a loudspeaker out on their parking lot. Mike ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com Tue May 20 05:41:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49900 invoked from network); 20 May 2008 12:41:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2008 12:41:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.79) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2008 12:41:49 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2008 12:41:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2008 12:41:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2008 12:41:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:41:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c8b9ee$b7a29660$f968fea9@i5d3d0> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "ai9e_qrp" Subject: CQUAM Stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=241001136; y=ggNOu9ldp9JvmSA7WiD6wMwVMe1Vn2tAPoT5mVIZxY_y9wY X-Yahoo-Profile: ai9e_qrp On my trip to the Dayton Hamfest, I traveled from Cedar Rapids to=20 Dayton via Fort Wayne, and back via Indianapolis. Every hour or so=20 I did a scan of the AM band to see what CQUAM I could hear. Driving through the Chicago area in the pre-dawn hours of the=20 morning, my pilot indicator lit up on weak stations at 1240, 1470,=20 and 1060. These were probably several hundred miles distant, as the=20 signals were too weak to discern any programming information. As to=20 the stations these were, it could be anyone's guess. Coming through Peoria on the way back, I heard 1290 WIRL. They=20 sounded TERRIFIC with their classic country format. You'd have been=20 hard pressed to tell it from FM. Unfortunately, their signal=20 vanished within 30 miles of town. Though I didn't listen for it this time, I have recently heard 1340=20 KROS in Clinton IA. They have an adult contemporary format, and=20 some unusual music programming on Sunday.=20=20 I'll be writing a letter of encouragement to WIRL. With the rest of=20 the world transfixed by this IBOC trash, their station management=20 needs to know that their decision to remain CQUAM is appreciated. Dave From robert.w.welch@att.net Tue May 20 07:12:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68852 invoked from network); 20 May 2008 14:12:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2008 14:12:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.145) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2008 14:12:24 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2008 14:12:24 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2008 14:12:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 May 2008 14:12:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:12:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.73.164.226 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=Dva6aQB8scOinnTX56tXwalgweCGhhoy37XM6m1LLhiISZHo1B2o X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 I think Mike might be on to something.. grins --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > C-Quam, as KFRC and KCJJ implemented it, sounds very natural. It doesn't=20 > have the highs most people can't hear anyway after age 40 like FM Stereo. It=20 > tends to be a bit more mellow, but still clear and lifelike. >=20 > Somebody is spending alot of money promoting HD radio. I suspect many=20 > regional and local AMers outside major markets would have more listeners than their=20 > HD audience if they just put a loudspeaker out on their parking lot. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************** > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family=20 > favorites at AOL Food. >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=3Daolfod00030000000001) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue May 20 14:19:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67531 invoked from network); 20 May 2008 21:19:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2008 21:19:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s27.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.227) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2008 21:19:56 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W18 ([64.4.19.118]) by bay0-omc3-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 20 May 2008 14:19:56 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 17:19:56 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00a401c89aa4$a7ace8a0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <00e701c899d9$59297020$d503fea9@stodd> <005c01c89a10$6c6965a0$6601a8c0@homeb29194fc77> <00a401c89aa4$a7ace8a0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2008 21:19:56.0696 (UTC) FILETIME=[40B19980:01C8BABF] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: Windows XP SP3 & Norton Incompatible X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=M1jcOzWj4S2CRC0Ze5DlI7QazCVC1vYxn_oAs-NjutPfhM6W2Q-F X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I presently run Windows XP Pro and downloaded the SP3 update and installed it. Once the update was installed, my Norton SystemWorks and Anti-virus both had error messages to the effect that they needed to be uninstalled and re-installed.I contacted Norton and they tell me that Norton SystemWorks is presently incompatible with SP3.I used Norton Go-Back to remove SP3, and then Norton was OK.Norton tells me that they are working on the incompability and it should be resolved in around 10 or so days.Just thought all forum members should be aware of this problem. If you have any questions, please contact Norton.MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Tue May 20 16:11:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87121 invoked from network); 20 May 2008 23:11:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2008 23:11:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms046pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.46) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2008 23:11:13 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([71.100.78.12]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K1600379WENGTW3@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:11:12 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 19:11:12 -0400 To: Message-id: <002001c8bace$cc387320$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00e701c899d9$59297020$d503fea9@stodd> <005c01c89a10$6c6965a0$6601a8c0@homeb29194fc77> <00a401c89aa4$a7ace8a0$d503fea9@stodd> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Windows XP SP3 & Norton Incompatible X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=tmrFtZsrO48fvcTek3L40B4YIzFdGh_68Z446rJ4uulKjg X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the info - very useful! Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:19 PM Subject: {AMSF} Windows XP SP3 & Norton Incompatible I presently run Windows XP Pro and downloaded the SP3 update and installed it. Once the update was installed, my Norton SystemWorks and Anti-virus both had error messages to the effect that they needed to be uninstalled and re-installed.I contacted Norton and they tell me that Norton SystemWorks is presently incompatible with SP3.I used Norton Go-Back to remove SP3, and then Norton was OK.Norton tells me that they are working on the incompability and it should be resolved in around 10 or so days.Just thought all forum members should be aware of this problem. If you have any questions, please contact Norton.MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue May 20 17:13:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48755 invoked from network); 21 May 2008 00:13:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2008 00:13:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2008 00:13:15 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2008 00:13:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2008 00:13:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2008 00:13:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 00:13:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.36.116 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Windows XP SP3 & Norton Incompatible X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=eJcT1mujr2VwLjh__ddqzywXH9AF1Us1AkDFXbNlDXJ_7SMM X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Mmmm, shoulda switched to AVG... :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue May 20 23:55:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24673 invoked from network); 21 May 2008 06:55:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2008 06:55:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2008 06:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2008 06:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2008 06:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2008 06:55:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 06:55:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <640626.80185.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.89 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=4x6Vt3U5xaEkfN05ZMpBQFWir6RQhFHJdMUmyizbBHEU09HzUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > >=20=20=20 > Ibiquity, GIVE UP...IBOC on AM is good for NOTHING! >=20 > You've done more damage to AM than ClearChannel, the > FCC, and the death of NARBA combined! >=20 > This tired worn-out concept that "if it's digital, it > must be better" doesn't wash anymore! > (ask anybody with a good turntable or fast reel-reel > deck and a cheap MP3 player) >=20 > When you can figure out a way to wrap around 250-300 > kb/sec (or preferably much more) into an AM channel, > WITH the footprint of=20 > C-QUAM, and WITHOUT the adjacent hash-trash, THEN I > will bow to your engineering miracle and buy an HD > radio...until then, I'd rather listen to my > Granddaddy's Atwater-Kent! >=20 AMEN!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed May 21 03:44:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43187 invoked from network); 21 May 2008 10:44:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2008 10:44:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.31) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2008 10:44:03 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so1541690ywj.37 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 03:44:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.83.29 with SMTP id g29mr39094ybb.130.1211366642894; Wed, 21 May 2008 03:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.121? ( [66.191.219.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm1924230ywg.6.2008.05.21.03.44.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 21 May 2008 03:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <297FAE7D-65F0-4E90-96D6-FDE2A80009EE@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80805191556m64f6e847lc7a8e58fdd24683b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 20:55:13 -0400 References: <000901c8b9ee$b7a29660$f968fea9@i5d3d0> <8bce0fe80805191556m64f6e847lc7a8e58fdd24683b@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=3YAz1XuNlNJzuzyHI2xDJyzkzXjwdlEX0zwnJeH-3QNmyjNV13CnUthcnSMhdw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On May 19, 2008, at 6:56 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > HD is not in Stereo. AM HD-Radio CAN be Stereo, and it does sound better than Low Bandwidth Analog AM from a typical car radio. On the other hand, C-QUAM Stereo will blow it away when you listen on a GOOD AM Stereo tuner such as the Carver TX-11b or other AMAX tuners. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed May 21 05:26:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19222 invoked from network); 21 May 2008 12:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2008 12:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2008 12:26:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34007 invoked by uid 60001); 21 May 2008 12:26:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MkzDRs8VM1nCpyW2ANR1bDuSyHgxruS9N_u.Tqta.TZyBXkDq.O.m1jJ0I8G5b9lVw-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 May 2008 05:26:48 PDT Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 05:26:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <838095.33910.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Windows XP SP3 & Norton Incompatible X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=PIYpM7EKKkTRXzRd1lVbm_vVEiHyCbGRBYYwUYbjtuOlYBV32ZhWBgY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Is anybody else here running IE7 and then downloaded that POS XP SP3? I did, and now when I scroll up and down (like reading these messages) it is like a 'time warp' and the screen takes forever to update and jumps up and down 2 seconds after you move the mouse. Everything else works except Norton and this jumping scroll BS. 73's J From starship_2001@msn.com Wed May 21 06:16:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66264 invoked from network); 21 May 2008 13:16:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2008 13:16:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.160) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2008 13:16:07 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.18]) by bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 21 May 2008 06:16:06 -0700 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 21 May 2008 06:16:05 -0700 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.4 by BAY131-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 21 May 2008 13:16:03 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:16:03 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2008 13:16:05.0960 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3709480:01C8BB44] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Windows XP SP3 & Norton Incompatible X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=sgV4CCk2G9ren8TiFnRPCVSjXzH9hDcITKI5crM_CLwNgbLQm2cvaRV1lg X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i use FF and i have no problems with SP3. Also i use AVG free 8.0 no problems. -----Original Message----- From: John P. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:26 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Windows XP SP3 & Norton Incompatible Is anybody else here running IE7 and then downloaded that POS XP SP3? I did, and now when I scroll up and down (like reading these messages) it is like a 'time warp' and the screen takes forever to update and jumps up and down 2 seconds after you move the mouse. Everything else works except Norton and this jumping scroll BS. 73's J ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Wed May 21 09:46:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9188 invoked from network); 21 May 2008 16:46:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2008 16:46:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.8) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2008 16:46:00 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2008 16:45:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 May 2008 16:45:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:45:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c8b9ee$b7a29660$f968fea9@i5d3d0> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=Ihf-LJV60eDeGrfnO2orkA_zzP9K8mwe-oj5rfhzcQhH X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq You need to qualify this and say that AM HD sounds like a low bit=20 rate web stream. Not all web streams sound bad... although I'm sure=20 there are those on this board that will dispute me. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith"=20 wrote: > > Hi Gang Well I got to comferm what some one else told me about AM=20 HD . It dose sound like a web stream. witch I will have to admit=20 that it dose sound better then a narrow band AM radio. The station=20 I got to hear was KFBK AM 1530 HD STEREO. But!!!!! Its nothing like=20 good old fashioned C-QuAM AM STEREO. And for HD AM's sound it still=20 not worth the noise it makes on the AM band. Sorry WOR AM 710. Jim S >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed May 21 10:04:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13144 invoked from network); 21 May 2008 17:04:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2008 17:04:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2008 17:04:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21011 invoked by uid 60001); 21 May 2008 17:04:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: o.ahF5MVM1kxIC0YT.H1JQTENjwnBnLye8mIlCO05lszUocZw_Ue6O66X2M3uhRQrwCd_MvonBKpntWo6LxWvPL4Kx8J5Ql7ePsM9Q-- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 May 2008 10:04:55 PDT Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:04:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <704099.19575.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=P4EpR-jZIbDurc8ERqEV0djZnRg-zAyLnbPHKGv_QQtF8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Kinda dispute...I've heard some pretty good sounding ones, but most compressed stuff SOUNDS compressed. I know RealPlayer 8 used ATRAC, same codec as MiniDisc, didn't sound too bad, but some of these radio station feeds are horrible. I was listening to one last week that was 33 kb/sec, and it was disgusting. Above 250 kB/sec, I have to listen pretty close on good headphones to find fault, but who uses that high a bit rate for web streaming? George --- wa2fnq wrote: > You need to qualify this and say that AM HD sounds > like a low bit > rate web stream. Not all web streams sound bad... > although I'm sure > there are those on this board that will dispute me. > > Jerry WA2FNQ > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" > wrote: > > > > Hi Gang Well I got to comferm what some one else > told me about AM > HD . It dose sound like a web stream. witch I will > have to admit > that it dose sound better then a narrow band AM > radio. The station > I got to hear was KFBK AM 1530 HD STEREO. But!!!!! > Its nothing like > good old fashioned C-QuAM AM STEREO. And for HD > AM's sound it still > not worth the noise it makes on the AM band. Sorry > WOR AM 710. Jim S > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > From mjgrant@aol.com Wed May 21 11:00:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51323 invoked from network); 21 May 2008 18:00:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2008 18:00:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2008 18:00:34 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d11.2849bd44 (65100) for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 14:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 14:00:12 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=gQoeBI_Qg2cfsmIvtEnfWYGhb4Jm2_QmeBYPPio66nbNGOBS9nImIm2FiRbUFjfJ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/21/08 11:46:26 AM Central Daylight Time, wa2fnq@optonline.net writes: > You need to qualify this and say that AM HD sounds like a low bit > rate web stream. Not all web streams sound bad... although I'm sure > there are those on this board that will dispute me. > > I won't dispute that. Do anyone know what bit rate AM HD is and what compression algorithm is used? Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed May 21 11:06:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35038 invoked from network); 21 May 2008 18:06:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2008 18:06:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2008 18:06:12 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bf1.2a0bd186 (65100) for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 14:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 14:05:59 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=akbmWEOIMCI8yWxF-3XnwjY_XHz3qbF3fT2n6KBs9odRkxsLR3QkrWIaafB7Izkk X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George, On a dialup modem, with an actual 56Kbps connection speed, I know it cannot even begin to keep up with even voice grade streaming audio. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed May 21 16:17:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94109 invoked from network); 21 May 2008 23:17:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2008 23:17:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2008 23:17:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 47615 invoked by uid 60001); 21 May 2008 23:17:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UfjitNkVM1luxytuNvd6i7k0FI34OBudKm486WHrN9OuPIk60hGO3_BACFYpG7wOStb.FPhQNXaKf8FDwi4OnGw49QuUwrIm.g-- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 May 2008 16:17:28 PDT Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:17:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <838095.33910.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <881853.47383.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Windows XP SP3 & Norton Incompatible X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=KVtaMStZeBzrigYbJoKKP8I8d2fUNPsqVEYhKxKeF_0VPwOXvMic X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke LOL I dont even use IE 7, I tested it before it came out and it sucks. The web page updating and showing incorrectly is the problem more of IE7 than SP3 but SP3 sucks. This is why you test them on another computer first. Windows XP Pro here and IE6, only way to go. -Kevin --- "John P." wrote: > Is anybody else here running IE7 and then downloaded > that POS XP SP3? > I did, and now when I scroll up and down (like > reading these messages) > it is like a 'time warp' and the screen takes > forever to update and > jumps up and down 2 seconds after you move the > mouse. Everything else > works except Norton and this jumping scroll BS. > 73's > J > > > > From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed May 21 16:19:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39701 invoked from network); 21 May 2008 23:19:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2008 23:19:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23209.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.64) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2008 23:19:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29062 invoked by uid 60001); 21 May 2008 23:19:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RDe6spsVM1m2ISjwBQaH76NQyCgdj8BBG5T0s9K61rUbDhqCIePvzxfZCE.IdiuXVL04maZ49eyV8sftaSMqK4g_ozyeWcfxMeIb8Bt1KsHG7wgUpPed0zE- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23209.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 May 2008 16:19:01 PDT Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:19:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <601568.28054.qm@web23209.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.64 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Windows XP SP3 & Norton Incompatible X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=VSp9TuN3twAgo9no0O9HF9OLKc7V2roUmWigKN9aZxr1BpSGmLZ3 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke One thing you guys may not know is that you cannot use two anti-virus programs with any system. I have no idea why people try to run two anti-virus programs at once. You're just asking for trouble if you do that. The system will eventually crash, may not be till a year later but it will if you run two anti-virus programs. -Kevin --- Norbert 26 wrote: > i use FF and i have no problems with SP3. Also i use > AVG free 8.0 no problems. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John P. > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:26 AM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Windows XP SP3 & Norton > Incompatible > > Is anybody else here running IE7 and then downloaded > that POS XP SP3? > I did, and now when I scroll up and down (like > reading these messages) > it is like a 'time warp' and the screen takes > forever to update and > jumps up and down 2 seconds after you move the > mouse. Everything else > works except Norton and this jumping scroll BS. > 73's > J > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > From rwagoner@cox.net Wed May 21 16:34:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9852 invoked from network); 21 May 2008 23:34:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2008 23:34:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao106.cox.net) (68.230.241.40) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2008 23:34:27 -0000 X-Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080521233425.JDVT28729.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 19:34:25 -0400 X-Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id UPZW1Z00S1sYu8404PaS36; Wed, 21 May 2008 19:34:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <97B7AB7B-013C-4607-9A75-C2221446A524@cox.net> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:34:25 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=wNuM7Vt6bDEXrDwDV_SQuobkFaFTcVlshw7cq_2CqE6WF4cxaoBBqZuT1bGP X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it can sound w=quite good. Worth the interference? Perhaps not. But it doesn't always sound bad. On May 21, 2008, at 9:45 AM, wa2fnq wrote: > You need to qualify this and say that AM HD sounds like a low bit > rate web stream. Not all web streams sound bad... although I'm sure > there are those on this board that will dispute me. > > Jerry WA2FNQ > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" > wrote: > > > > Hi Gang Well I got to comferm what some one else told me about AM > HD . It dose sound like a web stream. witch I will have to admit > that it dose sound better then a narrow band AM radio. The station > I got to hear was KFBK AM 1530 HD STEREO. But!!!!! Its nothing like > good old fashioned C-QuAM AM STEREO. And for HD AM's sound it still > not worth the noise it makes on the AM band. Sorry WOR AM 710. Jim S > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed May 21 17:07:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87234 invoked from network); 22 May 2008 00:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2008 00:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2008 00:07:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 75303 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2008 00:07:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TNqBo5YVM1n.m8pqsKVgwhw7uPPCJPeWow4Slo4Et0MYGP.MozYBkgEpImDA9VseWdDDzK71HiLcWvh0nrA2mPa0YabfewSNEoyvwdaRqQdHUTf9hC742t0zGc0- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 May 2008 17:07:32 PDT Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:07:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <261152.74453.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=WnVgV87wGhYa5xUeMcwNX36-1KMFSWUYox5ThQs-5gSgmw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes, I remember when we were on dial-up...yech! Now that we have it on fast cable, SOME of the audio isn't too bad, some is horrible, most falls short of CD-grade, but is tolerable. My ears aren't what they once were, but I can still tell 128k. MP3 from 256 from 292 MD. I hear that most of the pay-to-play download sites are low bit rate, too. AMHD probably has a special codec, but let's face it, no matter how you compress, sooner or later you lose too much. I've made comparisons using ATRAC at 292, 166, and 64 kb/sec, and each drop in speed becomes harder on the ears. 292 does sound close to CD, and the very slight differences I can hear are not really that difficult to live with, but slow it down, and cassette starts sounding better! 64 is just plain nasty for anything but non-critical dictation. But how much data can you fit in an AM channel? I'd bet it is far lower than 64! George George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > George, > > On a dialup modem, with an actual 56Kbps connection > speed, I know it cannot > even begin to keep up with even voice grade > streaming audio. > > Mike > > > ************** > Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch > "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& > ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed May 21 17:25:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60186 invoked from network); 22 May 2008 00:25:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2008 00:25:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2008 00:25:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22843 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2008 00:25:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZCBk7CcVM1nVJOKpObeRP25RqL2Iurg8U7xzCvTCwSgWtssYmWmP8szHGKiY2Thucl2m9n5W_97yJWgDCY32moc.aYBWN5Ru_SrlpQ-- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 May 2008 17:25:14 PDT Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:25:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <97B7AB7B-013C-4607-9A75-C2221446A524@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <807482.22659.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=PPfXnWxQon8JPImBXWVsKPNPfzIixSCOxYC3OgIqmr5HXA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Seems like HD sounds better on some sets because those sets have no choice in how they decode the HD, but have plenty of room for error in the analog section, and too often take full advantage of that margin. Fortunately, analog has all that room for improvement, unlike HD with it's fixed codec and low max. possible bit rate. Unfair comparison, too, when you compare the two from the same station, because they must limit the analog high end response to make room for the "hiss". Compare the same program on an HD station and a full-bandwidth analog station. That extra 5 kHz. makes more difference than it's given credit for! George --- Richard Wagoner wrote: > I think it can sound w=quite good. > > Worth the interference? Perhaps not. But it doesn't > always sound bad. > > On May 21, 2008, at 9:45 AM, wa2fnq wrote: > > > You need to qualify this and say that AM HD sounds > like a low bit > > rate web stream. Not all web streams sound bad... > although I'm sure > > there are those on this board that will dispute > me. > > > > Jerry WA2FNQ > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Gang Well I got to comferm what some one else > told me about AM > > HD . It dose sound like a web stream. witch I will > have to admit > > that it dose sound better then a narrow band AM > radio. The station > > I got to hear was KFBK AM 1530 HD STEREO. But!!!!! > Its nothing like > > good old fashioned C-QuAM AM STEREO. And for HD > AM's sound it still > > not worth the noise it makes on the AM band. Sorry > WOR AM 710. Jim S > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu May 22 05:47:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94920 invoked from network); 22 May 2008 12:47:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2008 12:47:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2008 12:47:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 55152 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2008 12:47:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Rb2HjtsVM1mXV.YR2DLPWdgfZ8j1jdtEePIKgrC34WuTC39qLl6KwfWMi0LgM3DwaJIQzojJOPIgeaWczvFQOil1lHK1OVIB X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 May 2008 05:47:15 PDT Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 05:47:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <733326.54836.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=vr95H55xITAIRdSgmTjz6e17_9oLCY_rMSFmwaMo29_QwWXr1iJSgSc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Mike asked: "...Do anyone know what bit rate AM HD is and what compression algorithm is used?..." For AM voice, it sounds to me like: " Sequential Hyroglifical Interweaved Transmission " is what is used. From mjgrant@aol.com Thu May 22 10:44:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42748 invoked from network); 22 May 2008 17:44:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2008 17:44:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2008 17:44:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c1f.37821c34 (41811) for ; Thu, 22 May 2008 13:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 13:44:45 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=nnLihcuAAzFZKrbzXJq8no0TFEtm6bptvmbjbY8uIVDq2QXsGA9rVcOLGRcbjtH7 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/22/08 7:48:02 AM Central Daylight Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > For AM voice, it sounds to me like: > " Sequential Hyroglifical Interweaved Transmission " > is what is used. That is what Ampliphase transmitters used when they were severly out of alignment. Everything sounded like a manure commercial with the announcer having a mouthful of product. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dc2daylight@gmail.com Thu May 22 14:29:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dc2daylight@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72580 invoked from network); 22 May 2008 21:29:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2008 21:29:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.175) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2008 21:29:52 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2008 21:29:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2008 21:29:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2008 21:29:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 21:29:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 130.13.172.202 From: "big_h00pla" Subject: Moving East X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=263622177; y=9jT23sdmuSdMCtv99pIidCVeozb5BKUsidv4U46mn3pnbFNhmA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla I am leaving AM Stereo free Arizona for Tennessee very soon.=20 Who still has AM Stereo still going in the East.=20 Kevin From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu May 22 14:37:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71770 invoked from network); 22 May 2008 21:36:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2008 21:36:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.242) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2008 21:36:58 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d17so54078and.52 for ; Thu, 22 May 2008 14:36:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.10.15 with SMTP id 15mr820888anj.152.1211492216949; Thu, 22 May 2008 14:36:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Thu, 22 May 2008 14:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80805221436h6da7a0e7y6375a227656f5616@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:36:56 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.242 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Moving East X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=WKYt1bpdDmP2q8tBz8_ygyKu0ijWLlBDT6Jrd7tstqSRgK3Pbp1adK8O X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin: These are the only ones I could find in your neck of the woods that are AM Stereo. I have provided web site links to the stations which also stream online. In my opinion, WGOL is the best one. Good music and definately a local, hometown feel. WGOL has a sister station also in Russellville, but they aren't in AM Stereo, just plain mono on 1500kHz. "Stereo 920 AM" Franklin County's Own WGOL Russellville, Alabama www.wgolam.com WVOL - 1470 AM STEREO - Berry Hill, TN (Urban Adult Contemporary) http://www.wvol1470.net/ WMSR - 1320 AM STEREO - Manchester, TN (AC, Oldies) http://www.thunder1320.com/ WMC - 790 AM STEREO - Memphis, TN (Country) http://www.wmc79.com/ WYFN - 980 AM STEREO - Nashville, TN (Religious) WAMB - 1200 AM STEREO - Nashville, TN Paul Walker www.realradiousa.com On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 5:29 PM, big_h00pla wrote: > I am leaving AM Stereo free Arizona for Tennessee very soon. > > Who still has AM Stereo still going in the East. > > Kevin > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dc2daylight@gmail.com Thu May 22 15:31:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dc2daylight@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90136 invoked from network); 22 May 2008 22:31:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2008 22:31:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2008 22:31:15 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so174634ywm.14 for ; Thu, 22 May 2008 15:31:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.240.19 with SMTP id n19mr255693wfh.332.1211495474314; Thu, 22 May 2008 15:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [130.13.172.202]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 27sm7435080wfa.2.2008.05.22.15.31.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 22 May 2008 15:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80805221436h6da7a0e7y6375a227656f5616@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bce0fe80805221436h6da7a0e7y6375a227656f5616@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 15:31:12 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Moving East X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=263622177; y=HkctCf547BycjlcEblIowo-s1sDdjVUuhxqGD5pdPuQrG6KzPg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Paul, Is there anything in Mississippi. I am within 20 miles of the border there. Kevin > "Stereo 920 AM" Franklin County's Own WGOL Russellville, Alabama > www.wgolam.com > > WVOL - 1470 AM STEREO - Berry Hill, TN (Urban Adult Contemporary) > http://www.wvol1470.net/ > WMSR - 1320 AM STEREO - Manchester, TN (AC, Oldies) > http://www.thunder1320.com/ > WMC - 790 AM STEREO - Memphis, TN (Country) http://www.wmc79.com/ > WYFN - 980 AM STEREO - Nashville, TN (Religious) > WAMB - 1200 AM STEREO - Nashville, TN From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu May 22 15:35:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89399 invoked from network); 22 May 2008 22:35:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2008 22:35:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.246) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2008 22:35:13 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d18so63529and.130 for ; Thu, 22 May 2008 15:35:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.134.10 with SMTP id h10mr883884and.117.1211495711821; Thu, 22 May 2008 15:35:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Thu, 22 May 2008 15:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80805221535w1194f454o8a8cf5882baeed9d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 18:35:11 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80805221436h6da7a0e7y6375a227656f5616@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Moving East X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=dIBrSQBGAchZku1Yshj6EAD-WOzNURDEB7jBj9N7e1pchl8YRsyNF6s9 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope, SORRY, SOL... lol I would check out WGOL online, they're decent. Paul On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 6:31 PM, kevin redding wrote: > > > Paul, > > Is there anything in Mississippi. I am within 20 miles of the border > there. > > Kevin > > > "Stereo 920 AM" Franklin County's Own WGOL Russellville, Alabama > > www.wgolam.com > > > > WVOL - 1470 AM STEREO - Berry Hill, TN (Urban Adult Contemporary) > > http://www.wvol1470.net/ > > WMSR - 1320 AM STEREO - Manchester, TN (AC, Oldies) > > http://www.thunder1320.com/ > > WMC - 790 AM STEREO - Memphis, TN (Country) http://www.wmc79.com/ > > WYFN - 980 AM STEREO - Nashville, TN (Religious) > > WAMB - 1200 AM STEREO - Nashville, TN > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu May 22 18:46:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6369 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 01:46:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 01:46:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 01:46:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96979 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2008 01:46:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7HX3T_sVM1m4Wx2O696MoOCfxFF_XYBVo.FyI3vyuMRjRIpVAiZzvzqLYPjZW9iNo1C.IYm23qEAQw8GHGJmiU06MaKfSqYWsC_WLw-- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 May 2008 18:46:09 PDT Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 18:46:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <733326.54836.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <85896.92138.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=NA6zMk7Kit4Vm2muvfcWt4YkEuLRBEd1cXRm5dS4oQ07dg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Well, I certainly agree with the first letter of each word!!!:>) George --- "John P." wrote: > Mike asked: "...Do anyone know what bit rate AM HD > is and what > compression algorithm is used?..." > > For AM voice, it sounds to me like: > " Sequential Hyroglifical Interweaved Transmission " > is what is used. > > > > > > > > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu May 22 18:47:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88133 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 01:47:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 01:47:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 01:47:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73159 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2008 01:47:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .i7udg4VM1nLonZ8RlqU0iVq_dSj4Fz288um8UZm8sItRXbI5.BOWlw9yvBfdu_NV4KJzlPvhN4y0tA0SfwM0d9vPIFkApUueFfwn_hHkibu2E5XYE9sEK8.VuI- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 May 2008 18:47:06 PDT Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 18:47:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <207327.72607.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=eFxy1SvIo6Bpn0Bu-zzwSxIE9oCqqx16nX5jDN0L-Ow50g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Uh-huh...today we call those political ads! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/22/08 7:48:02 AM Central > Daylight Time, > toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > > > > For AM voice, it sounds to me like: > > " Sequential Hyroglifical Interweaved Transmission > " > > is what is used. > > > That is what Ampliphase transmitters used when they > were severly out of > alignment. Everything sounded like a manure > commercial with the announcer having a > mouthful of product. > > Mike > > > > ************** > Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch > "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& > ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu May 22 18:48:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41258 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 01:48:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 01:48:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 01:48:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1155 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2008 01:48:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Zjf0HAwVM1mKFiUZqAkfWxv6YAIzFGiWOBZUf0JmVoodn56gVE472X9K9EaqJH4rbJtahTQK1QB208xBpqTG7uXsikcmEG0ReqFvmw-- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 May 2008 18:48:01 PDT Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 18:48:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <226106.1010.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Moving East X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=vaoxeDDORgdSDuW4hNJCgdc-0b1IuVepKg9H9e-ZAnAPJg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 How far east? Still a few in Canada...eh? G --- big_h00pla wrote: > I am leaving AM Stereo free Arizona for Tennessee > very soon. > > Who still has AM Stereo still going in the East. > > Kevin > > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu May 22 18:49:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37220 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 01:49:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 01:49:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 01:49:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 89366 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2008 01:49:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aQzBLpcVM1nJVWVGqS6WQ00eTS3n7B8BUqSg_czIYyP91Wy98ujO0hu0P6r_gVdvgZdKtLHAw33Jyo5_18zrloKGntEWlvd7HF5uEqw09EIjVaicoQt5JvHVBgc- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 May 2008 18:49:15 PDT Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 18:49:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <883638.89141.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Moving East X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=01-_CX_bjqipuRz4p8GQ83R1kAnzku19AAcCMO-E_woTNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Holy Mackerel! I'm movin' to Tennessee, y'all! G --- kevin redding wrote: > > > Paul, > > Is there anything in Mississippi. I am within 20 > miles of the border > there. > > Kevin > > > "Stereo 920 AM" Franklin County's Own WGOL > Russellville, Alabama > > www.wgolam.com > > > > WVOL - 1470 AM STEREO - Berry Hill, TN (Urban > Adult Contemporary) > > http://www.wvol1470.net/ > > WMSR - 1320 AM STEREO - Manchester, TN (AC, > Oldies) > > http://www.thunder1320.com/ > > WMC - 790 AM STEREO - Memphis, TN (Country) > http://www.wmc79.com/ > > WYFN - 980 AM STEREO - Nashville, TN (Religious) > > WAMB - 1200 AM STEREO - Nashville, TN > > > From mjgrant@aol.com Thu May 22 23:53:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9601 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 06:53:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 06:53:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 06:53:36 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c3a.35ce1c41 (30737) for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 02:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 02:53:33 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Moving East X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ljZj4xefOXzleefJ_R90Zykf54TeoYc439wD_prn_LDUa0weTjb5lwH4T8OKEraI X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WLS 890 50 kW nondirectional Class I clear channel out of Chicago blankets Tennessee pretty well at night. Or used to. There was a Harley Davidson dealer in Tennessee who used to regularly advertise on the old WLS in the evening hours. WLS is still C-Quam in the evening hours. Say "Hi" to Brother Al and Tipper when you get there. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 23 00:00:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83998 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 07:00:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 07:00:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 07:00:47 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c30.31ab7fdb (30737) for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 03:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 03:00:43 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Moving East X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Gig7NBm3_ysI5qHiyHLhPK-EHeCj6DMW_SqIjVw7f2BV7hdPfJ0Aj4Ya9johAKiB X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WMC in Memphis must run directional. Its signal doesn't reach north to St. Louis or west into Missouri or Arkansas. When I make the drive between St. Louis to Arkansas, I listen to WREC day and night. I don't remember finding WMC. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 23 00:04:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27325 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 07:04:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 07:04:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 07:04:30 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c36.2d5576ce (30737) for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 03:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 03:04:27 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Moving East X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=DOGXZAlReqbmFoJIIhvSPs_erRVbjTapItohJF4Rdg5ksKxtOl4HIgduaeBHvKBk X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the FCC should include C-Quam or IBOC in the station's file so it would be the database. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri May 23 00:08:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24378 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 07:08:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 07:08:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.243) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 07:08:45 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so122055anc.0 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 00:08:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.46.10 with SMTP id t10mr1450191ant.156.1211526524933; Fri, 23 May 2008 00:08:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Fri, 23 May 2008 00:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80805230008k7bfebcf8h71eebf481c308213@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 03:08:44 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Moving East X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=n2eRcpGJKJDGqF6wVzZZES4LV91isTI_i9Tf9R9H8TstzvNHLgsNZ8uA X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uh, a big DUH on the fact WMC-AM runs directional. Taking two seconds at radio-locator would show their 4 tower night pattern with 5 kw blasts mainly south with a fewlobes to the SE and SW. Paul On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 3:00 AM, wrote: > WMC in Memphis must run directional. Its signal doesn't reach north to > St. > Louis or west into Missouri or Arkansas. When I make the drive between St. > Louis to Arkansas, I listen to WREC day and night. I don't remember finding > WMC. > > Mike > > ************** > Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& > ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri May 23 00:09:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28828 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 07:09:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 07:09:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.246) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 07:09:43 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d18so112133and.67 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 00:09:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.140.15 with SMTP id n15mr1453997and.87.1211526583050; Fri, 23 May 2008 00:09:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Fri, 23 May 2008 00:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80805230009w4431b03cq2f1fb24903f6c023@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 03:09:42 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Moving East X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=UZw99H3YhSquRBcSagvxhcJiddWcydzKkf51O496WP9RpHLG4pBeN0pJ X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you look closely in the CDBS database, a station will file "Digital Notification" which usually indicates they are planning to go digital, if they haven't already. On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 3:04 AM, wrote: > I think the FCC should include C-Quam or IBOC in the station's file so > it > would be the database. > > Mike > > ************** > Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& > ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri May 23 01:09:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48432 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 08:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 08:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.8) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 08:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 08:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 08:09:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 08:09:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <207327.72607.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.87 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=7hH22DtKPQH8ssmseRnwn8RPS-OPUbATsdYU-Z9gsIFsjIy0uA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 > > In a message dated 5/22/08 7:48:02 AM Central > > Daylight Time,=20 > > toledohamradio@... writes: > >=20 > >=20 > > > For AM voice, it sounds to me like: > > > " Sequential Hyroglifical Interweaved Transmission > > " > > > is what is used. > >=20 My humble opinion is: digital AM has problems not about the kind of=20 bitstream and/or bit compression system. I think the problem is=20 about to try to put a very low level (10% or less) signal (the IBOC=20 subcarriers) into a very noisy and unfriendly band (like the MW=20 band). Analog AM (mono or stereo) can put a full (100%) audio signal on the=20 air all the time, all the day, in any weather condition, in any kind=20 of propagation condition. AND IT WORKS!!! It have been working for=20 the last 80 years!!! AM Digital system only works good with a perfect "laboratory"=20 condition between the transmitter and the receiver. But, Does=20 somebody know where in the real world you can get that "perfect"=20 condition. Today, a typical latin american 1 KW AM analog audio station, with a=20 coverage of 50 km (30 miles) around, needs 10 times the current=20 power to reach the same area with digital audio!!! But, don't ask=20 about the horrible interferences into the adjacent channels at night=20 and don't ask about who will pay the electric bill!!! I guess digital system works so fine in VHF, UHF and above. In=20 facts, the digital TV is a good example to this. But not in the low=20 bands. That's all. The best proof about the analog AM can sound so, so, so and so good=20 is... the today FM Stereo system!!! What? Yes, I'm not mad: the FM=20 Stereo subcarrier (L-R) is just pure AM!!! But... with 15 Khz of=20 audio bandwidth in the TX and the RX, THIS IS THE GREAT DIFFERENCE=20 WITH THE TODAY "STANDARD" AM (there is a lot of very good AM TXs but=20 there is a lot of junk pieces of RXs, too). My humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri May 23 04:50:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59165 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 11:50:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 11:50:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.154) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 11:50:21 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so326827ywa.76 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 04:50:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.52.2 with SMTP id z2mr1610903ybz.44.1211543414676; Fri, 23 May 2008 04:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.11? ( [24.177.234.234]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm7753733ywd.2.2008.05.23.04.50.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 23 May 2008 04:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3D73990A-A6FC-4A5A-9E58-F12F770B1A66@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002001c8bace$cc387320$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:46:00 -0400 References: <00e701c899d9$59297020$d503fea9@stodd> <005c01c89a10$6c6965a0$6601a8c0@homeb29194fc77> <00a401c89aa4$a7ace8a0$d503fea9@stodd> <002001c8bace$cc387320$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Windows XP SP3 & Norton Incompatible X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=n4H5hTC3L97k0bNbiCP_Ecud3ungBTFcxX1mMMeZ-wxdVq27879cwjS0rT9pXg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 I am GLAD I run a Mac with OSX 10.5.2! :-) Kevin in Upstate SC From dc2daylight@gmail.com Fri May 23 07:23:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dc2daylight@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90172 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 14:23:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 14:23:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.184) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 14:23:05 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j71so512916rne.8 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 07:23:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.240.19 with SMTP id n19mr638216wfh.12.1211552584624; Fri, 23 May 2008 07:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [130.13.172.202]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 29sm9563716wfg.0.2008.05.23.07.23.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 23 May 2008 07:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6378D8B9-0B70-4CA4-8D88-B11CD060DDF4@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 07:23:01 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Moving East X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=263622177; y=ewdCjjMiodPG57PsdHjXXD1hmGR0phmdn9vY4vCoBxqJHx70BQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On May 22, 2008, at 11:53 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Say "Hi" to Brother Al and Tipper when you get there. If I see the winner of the 2000 presidential election, I will send your regards. After I get moved, I will let you all know who if anyone is still in AM $. Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 23 08:57:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98123 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 15:57:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 15:57:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 15:57:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d59.21222cdc (30737) for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 11:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:57:31 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=yhnaW10DlO1bbOHyitcMx2M28yFT3YJLLb9--Bc831RsHmfyS66fRD8972pWl9XL X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I agree with your points. If AM HD is like satellite radio (XM), there is no degradation in transmission. The information on the signal is either there or it isn't. I assume there is error correction. When there is not enough raw bits to correct, it goes away, often ungracefully. Digital transmission techniques can work very well with very tiny signals. A good example is satellite telephones. Even a "high power" satellite transponder would be considered puny by terrestrial standands. Keep in mind, that transmission is to/from 22,500 miles out in space and through the ionosphere at that. Analog C-Quam is a continuous system, although it does not have infinite resolution due to finite system noise. I suspect the newer C-Quam systems use DSP to generate the signal rather than the original Hilbert analog method. Low bit-rates do to audio what low resolution does the video. There is a kind of aural pixelation. It is also important to know that digital audio has a kind of noise of its own due to quantitization error. The signal to noise ratio cannot be measured the same way as analog. In an analog system, one would take a maximum signal measurement and use it as a reference. Then the input signal would be removed and whatever output remained would be the noise floor. The ration of the two would be the signal to noise ratio. That doesn't work for digital systems. One could have a very large apparent s/n ratio, that is, when there was no signal there would be a miniscule output yet have a poor effective s/n ratio. In digital systems, the signal generates the noise. No signal, no noise. However, in listening to it, the ear can detect it. Whereas there might be an application specific DSP engine that could get a couple more bits, the limit with ordinary commercial components is about 8 true bits in a fully digitally constructed AMS signal. There are time dithering techniques that could perhaps yeild another 2 to 4 bits before the artifacts generated negate the benefit. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 23 08:59:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44945 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 15:59:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 15:59:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 15:59:51 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d69.2caf7190 (30737) for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 11:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:59:38 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=kQMUb0Q4o5QkSeLrogk6-wTPoPY8ilTn4ea5s59B43zoNKprTafZSCr2qDc3AZOH X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/23/08 3:09:32 AM Central Daylight Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > the FM > Stereo subcarrier (L-R) is just pure AM!!! True. That's why FM Stereo takes a big hit in s/n ratio over mono. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri May 23 14:01:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7133 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 21:01:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 21:01:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 21:01:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20806 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2008 21:01:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Ih27e1EVM1mIrBvYBKtpKQUamXBB4hXlWqQ1wLkqJmOM5VPUDElA1ZBWtg5SUyV3NPPtWHTkbTakAA7OC.hSgukCI1X_vT8CbUJI8rVriUEfzt53MbBPae7WYc4- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 May 2008 14:01:40 PDT Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:01:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <409890.19582.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Moving East X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=CvD7ymklY3HASotXMRqkTU0GcdxJkrGaTeFjGzRipyZGOw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I'll drink to that!!! G --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I think the FCC should include C-Quam or IBOC in the > station's file so it > would be the database. > > Mike > > > ************** > Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch > "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& > ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri May 23 15:51:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61335 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 22:51:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 22:51:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 22:51:05 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.180] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080523175103100439900010> for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 17:51:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <010a01c8bd27$9c914740$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <6378D8B9-0B70-4CA4-8D88-B11CD060DDF4@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:51:03 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Moving East X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=SxktnJX7iI4XaY7NIi8ghtZeHNMoFGdr7DJlaXMmrqqX9l9MI7FL X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Um- no less than the NY Times, no friend of Republicans or conservatives, reported the recount showed GWB won Florida. Sorry to stomp on your petunias. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com If I see the winner of the 2000 presidential election, I will send your regards. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kjones_731@yahoo.com Fri May 23 16:03:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjones_731@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25651 invoked from network); 23 May 2008 23:03:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2008 23:03:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.110) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2008 23:03:14 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 23:03:14 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 23:03:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 23:03:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 23:03:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.60.230.180 From: "kjones_731" Subject: 77 WABC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=58737040; y=Q1_cjR9ow19QxRrLRNtgvVqgUwT_5EGJGnRF_ud_RsqJiAVzPg X-Yahoo-Profile: kjones_731 Just a note this Monday 6am to 10 pm WABC is having their Rewound radio=20 special with tapes of the 60's and 70's the way it was. tune in to 770=20 AM (50KW) or at wabcradio.com to listen. Kirk From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri May 23 18:08:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61592 invoked from network); 24 May 2008 01:08:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2008 01:08:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.138) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2008 01:08:11 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.22]) by bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 23 May 2008 18:08:00 -0700 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 May 2008 18:08:00 -0700 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.110 by BLU108-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 24 May 2008 01:07:53 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 01:07:53 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2008 01:08:00.0333 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C0427D0:01C8BD3A] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 77 WABC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=xVNx1JSmQGoo3SbKr2zAJnOajNkxYNogGpy3xeRcf9vNkiIWIK6GVb5vWk0 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also understand, from another list, that WLS - 890 Chicago will have a special on Memorial Day where some of the former D.J.'s will be playing music from the 60's and 70's. I also understand the WLS's Memorial Day Special will be streamed as well (as WABC) so that people (like myself) that don't have a prayer of receiving WLS can listen as well. Donn, St. Petersburg (where Radio Cuba rains/reins on 890 at night - can't even hear WLS in the background as a rule) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 23 20:10:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30968 invoked from network); 24 May 2008 03:10:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2008 03:10:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2008 03:10:02 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d34.28bfbc48 (41812) for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 23:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 23:09:57 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Moving East X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=qfb5QyGtjReuU8co1f7ER1IMJM17Qw2XYHIccRjEyiEGbG-r0VB3fuA48uiSaaqA X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/23/08 5:51:36 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > Um- no less than the NY Times, no friend of Republicans or conservatives, > reported the recount showed GWB won Florida. Sorry to stomp on your petunias. > What are you saying, the NYT is always right? I don't think anyone will ever know who actual had the most votes. It is my understanding that the guy who invented the infamous punch card ballot system used in Florida went on to invent IBOC HD radio. That's not hash. It's electronic hanging chads. How's that for a seg? Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 23 20:12:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88989 invoked from network); 24 May 2008 03:12:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2008 03:12:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2008 03:12:06 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c24.37c10e69 (41812) for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 23:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 23:12:02 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 77 WABC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=B63MX-gg3WqVmgG59NnC6Klmlo47aOlKGkNDyrAJiCw8nPGCAqG54iwcUiltKcYV X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is its sister station in Chicago, WLS, doing the same? Heck, I'd drive the Roadmaster to groundwave contour to hear that. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri May 23 20:20:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62298 invoked from network); 24 May 2008 03:20:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2008 03:20:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.245) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2008 03:20:42 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so275718ana.76 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 20:20:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.144.11 with SMTP id r11mr3255353and.52.1211599241882; Fri, 23 May 2008 20:20:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.58.6 with HTTP; Fri, 23 May 2008 20:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80805232020y4d943889h42cd6edc679e02a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 23:20:41 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.245 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: {AMSF} 77 WABC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=KAc6lCzkVefDO6lmnlLD4j8vOUef0hdH-VgWE85Y-0qI0P8WJx581Mcm X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uh, Yeah, they are. On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:12 PM, wrote: > Is its sister station in Chicago, WLS, doing the same? Heck, I'd drive > the > Roadmaster to groundwave contour to hear that. > > Mike > > ************** > Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& > ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri May 23 22:34:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70794 invoked from network); 24 May 2008 05:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 May 2008 05:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.172) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2008 05:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 05:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 05:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 05:34:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 05:34:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.82 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM HD sounds like web streem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=jwiBQRQeNnqrhBN77BWcp47ZxiCZn6MH8ytaekxWrhxW87qHSg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 5/23/08 3:09:32 AM Central Daylight Time,=20 > jotape1960@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > the FM=20 > > Stereo subcarrier (L-R) is just pure AM!!!=20 >=20 > True. That's why FM Stereo takes a big hit in s/n ratio over mono. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Noise was/is/still will be the only one real problem to the analog=20 AM, because it is inherent to the system, like the old vinyl noise,=20 the old tape noise and all electronic analog audio devices (when it=20 doesn't pass the minimal specs). But the today great differences (problems) between AM and FM are: 1) Type of programming: FM =3D mostly music AM =3D mostly talk, sports, news, religion, etc. (at least, in my=20 country). 2) Receivers audio bandwidth: FM =3D> 12 kHz AM =3D< 5 kHz 3) Receivers audio distortion: FM < 0.5% AM =3D> 2% 4) Receivers discrimination (it is inherent to the legal channel=20 separation and related to the final signal to noise ratio): FM =3D 150 kHz AM =3D 10 kHz 5) Night interferences (inherent to the frecuencies used): FM =3D almost nothing AM =3D a lot of "monkey chatter" 6) Because the last point, AM bands (MW and SW) aren't friendly to=20 the digital implementation. In the other hand, I guess today=20 standard FM band (VHF) is full compatible with IBOC. Nobody can't fix the problems inherent to the band conditions (noise=20 and propagation), but the broadcasters could do something to get=20 back to the full beautiful stereo music sound, IF THEY WANT TO DO IT. Some day, maybe? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat May 24 17:17:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97378 invoked from network); 25 May 2008 00:17:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2008 00:17:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2008 00:17:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87699 invoked by uid 60001); 25 May 2008 00:17:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yRQuGRgVM1kBYpWXNnCeZhXMLXLieBkWTG3guXQN.LMHyIKeCb8w2piXJr1tK5OxJXMugPtm0Y2YDb_og93g1aE9vJcv5W8iNeJ7LvuS49_5XoqAwV7JCcKG45c- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 May 2008 17:17:08 PDT Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 17:17:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <355442.87590.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Moving East X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=GgXB4QRhU-Q7KASljOGz9jLNvd7V1i7h4q89vrVPmpRtIQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 IBOC=chads? Now THAT makes sense! G --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/23/08 5:51:36 PM Central > Daylight Time, > scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > > > > Um- no less than the NY Times, no friend of > Republicans or conservatives, > > reported the recount showed GWB won Florida. Sorry > to stomp on your petunias. > > > > What are you saying, the NYT is always right? I > don't think anyone will ever > know who actual had the most votes. It is my > understanding that the guy who > invented the infamous punch card ballot system used > in Florida went on to > invent IBOC HD radio. That's not hash. It's > electronic hanging chads. > > How's that for a seg? > > Mike > > > ************** > Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch > "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& > ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat May 24 17:19:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63725 invoked from network); 25 May 2008 00:19:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2008 00:19:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2008 00:19:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 88862 invoked by uid 60001); 25 May 2008 00:19:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rIvEBkwVM1lWOeysPjGNzz3Stoi7CG90tl0fIqqOTypLqwl2ssfeysRHLYdfJCCvfeZK4iREXR034PYaS6F485_z0LuZpBjC7H7v6oHhbQdSvjdJoJGD_AGNNhc- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 May 2008 17:19:28 PDT Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 17:19:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <308495.88391.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} 77 WABC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=tghPy2wkmeZsmCDpJtDdSPoWd2vuM-mQCDSTZy8QSpl1rQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Mike, I don't know what network covers it, but WLS former John Landecker has a "back to the music" show on Sunday, we get on WHNN up in Saginaw. Lot of good hits from the glory days of Drake, and Landecker hasn't lost it! G --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Is its sister station in Chicago, WLS, doing the > same? Heck, I'd drive the > Roadmaster to groundwave contour to hear that. > > Mike > > > ************** > Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch > "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& > ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > From mjgrant@aol.com Sat May 24 23:14:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37386 invoked from network); 25 May 2008 06:14:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2008 06:14:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2008 06:14:10 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c30.31e1a22c (41811) for ; Sun, 25 May 2008 02:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 02:14:07 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 77 WABC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Mfp6NQ7HfODVfmM53NW1H-snYj2IeF57Bn88-MiN3t60hqz39qick2a0SaQf9Gc1 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm from Missouri. Until I see an actual certified birth certificate showing the John's middle name being "Records", I'm not buying it. I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night. What's his son's middle initials, C.D.? I'm going to be driving north of Highland, IL which is about 50 miles northeast of St. Louis almost directly in line with Tinsley Park. The FCC in its wisdom authorize a peanut whistle is Highland on 880 kilohertz with a directional antenna beaming to the southwest towards St. Louis. On AMS, the car radio's IF bandwidth opens up and the peanut whistle bleeds over. I don't have a portable AMS receiver or I would just take Amtrak on the senile citizen fare to the Windy City with the cost of gas being what it is. The weather is mild enough I could sleep out in Grant Park, just like 40 years ago. Nothing is finer than waking up on the grass in the morning listening WLS just as one of Chicago's finest opens up the back of your with a baton for resisting arrest in your sleep. Mike Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. 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Chrysafis Universal Life Ministries (ULC) http://www.ulc.org From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun May 25 20:44:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18057 invoked from network); 26 May 2008 03:44:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2008 03:44:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2008 03:44:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87942 invoked by uid 60001); 26 May 2008 03:44:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NKHOVu8VM1nhdlPuTSC0fD2I8_pQhch4F5BSa7E5KGSjxBQPuXvpDQ6Rk6mJNeSfdfsEVkTsxzM1vbJeUsiy5lYj2p4remljW6LSJPA1aKVNWbN_oHeDnIu2FCw- X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 May 2008 20:44:06 PDT Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 20:44:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <725328.87276.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} 77 WABC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=9CsL09dChtsl6tAE1gIFcGoA6nHt4RkRVWeDYkr8eR2Y2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Well, John did have his mom call in one night while he was on the air, she talked about him enough to sound like she really was his mom, and then she swore by all that's holy that Records truly is his middle name. But I agree, it is just too much of a coincidence for a DJ to have that for a name...I'd like to see the B.C. myself! Sounds like you had the same kind of nights I used to, in the good old days...ever wake up in the back of somebody else's pickup truck, 75 miles from home, and not even have a clue how it happened? Fortunately the young lady who owned said truck was kind enough to drive me home, when gas was $0.45 a gallon...today I'd be walkin' for sure! Enjoy your trip! George --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I'm from Missouri. Until I see an actual certified > birth certificate showing > the John's middle name being "Records", I'm not > buying it. I may have been > born at night, but it wasn't last night. What's his > son's middle initials, > C.D.? > > I'm going to be driving north of Highland, IL which > is about 50 miles > northeast of St. Louis almost directly in line with > Tinsley Park. The FCC in its > wisdom authorize a peanut whistle is Highland on 880 > kilohertz with a directional > antenna beaming to the southwest towards St. Louis. > On AMS, the car radio's > IF bandwidth opens up and the peanut whistle bleeds > over. > > I don't have a portable AMS receiver or I would just > take Amtrak on the > senile citizen fare to the Windy City with the cost > of gas being what it is. The > weather is mild enough I could sleep out in Grant > Park, just like 40 years ago. > Nothing is finer than waking up on the grass in the > morning listening WLS > just as one of Chicago's finest opens up the back of > your with a baton for > resisting arrest in your sleep. > > Mike > > > Mike > > > ************** > Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch > "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& > ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > From mjgrant@aol.com Sun May 25 21:33:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11836 invoked from network); 26 May 2008 04:33:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2008 04:33:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2008 04:33:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d24.27d593d2 (32913) for ; Mon, 26 May 2008 00:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 00:33:12 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 77 WABC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=lZEF0iSMo_KQqjSWZ_quWNwkqkUP3bDIv8d3Ud6Bxojxvf_S3LcSHRAm91UvQlQG X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was thinking of having some T-shirts made up. "I Attended the Democratic National Convention in 1968 and All I Got was this T-shirt and 14 stitches at Cook County". They might sell well in Denver if Hillary stays in. I wonder if WABC or WLS is going to get a rating survey for the retrocast? It might pursuade them to maybe do a few hours of contemporary format in the late evenings before C2C. Will WABC be running C-CQAM for the event? Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon May 26 13:18:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76476 invoked from network); 26 May 2008 20:18:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2008 20:18:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2008 20:18:37 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.54] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080526151820101385300010> for ; Mon, 26 May 2008 15:18:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002101c8bf6d$caeb0700$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:18:20 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 77 WABC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=LPv5Vkz4fQZpYmCO5DWtYYqksHWNfEGQ2Q6rOG6g_AoCJpQp0Mtx X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AFAIK they never did, so no. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Will WABC be running C-CQAM for the event? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Thu May 29 00:18:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57577 invoked from network); 29 May 2008 07:17:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2008 07:17:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2008 07:17:57 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bfe.3adf11f6 (37230) for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 03:17:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hank (65-101-148-207.tukw.qwest.net [65.101.148.207]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA067-916e483e589c12b; Thu, 29 May 2008 03:17:49 -0400 Message-ID: <01d401c8c15c$316ae460$6700a8c0@hank> To: References: <8bce0fe80805221436h6da7a0e7y6375a227656f5616@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 00:18:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "hank smith" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 65.101.148.207 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Moving East X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=qHcWDFP2PpocdXKN5QuXh2nZVQXzECvsVvDThPFy-n_PxFkt-1jy X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit any in az? ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Moving East Kevin: These are the only ones I could find in your neck of the woods that are AM Stereo. I have provided web site links to the stations which also stream online. In my opinion, WGOL is the best one. Good music and definately a local, hometown feel. WGOL has a sister station also in Russellville, but they aren't in AM Stereo, just plain mono on 1500kHz. "Stereo 920 AM" Franklin County's Own WGOL Russellville, Alabama www.wgolam.com WVOL - 1470 AM STEREO - Berry Hill, TN (Urban Adult Contemporary) http://www.wvol1470.net/ WMSR - 1320 AM STEREO - Manchester, TN (AC, Oldies) http://www.thunder1320.com/ WMC - 790 AM STEREO - Memphis, TN (Country) http://www.wmc79.com/ WYFN - 980 AM STEREO - Nashville, TN (Religious) WAMB - 1200 AM STEREO - Nashville, TN Paul Walker www.realradiousa.com On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 5:29 PM, big_h00pla wrote: > I am leaving AM Stereo free Arizona for Tennessee very soon. > > Who still has AM Stereo still going in the East. > > Kevin > > > -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. http://www.realradiousa.com http://www.radio-talk.net http://www.myspace.com/walkerbroadcasting walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Thu May 29 13:44:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44793 invoked from network); 29 May 2008 20:44:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2008 20:44:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173005pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.5) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2008 20:44:34 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([71.100.78.12]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K1N001BKDBD38G0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 29 May 2008 15:38:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:44:35 -0400 To: Message-id: <000801c8c1cc$ce7d5ab0$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <8bce0fe80805221436h6da7a0e7y6375a227656f5616@mail.gmail.com> <01d401c8c15c$316ae460$6700a8c0@hank> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: CQUAM Transmitters on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=w71PZfhygsgkRueowvwZM75yAh5iPx8k3DIt0VdESXcnJA X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I noticed some CQuam transmitters for sale in eBay. They can be seen using searchphrase: "New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono" in eBay. Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Thu May 29 15:09:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62510 invoked from network); 29 May 2008 22:08:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2008 22:08:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2008 22:08:57 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cf6.3160c410 (37219) for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 18:08:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hank (65-101-148-207.tukw.qwest.net [65.101.148.207]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA062-9163483f297026d; Thu, 29 May 2008 18:08:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c8c1d8$9292a580$6700a8c0@hank> To: References: <8bce0fe80805221436h6da7a0e7y6375a227656f5616@mail.gmail.com> <01d401c8c15c$316ae460$6700a8c0@hank> <000801c8c1cc$ce7d5ab0$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 15:08:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "hank smith" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 65.101.148.207 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM Transmitters on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=f_OQRNiRuiq56buH4DrNzsvsYEFjhVa4LC7-uptXJNMhRRBrMGaL X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick W To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:44 PM Subject: {AMSF} CQUAM Transmitters on eBay can you send the url for the direct search result quiteria?I noticed some CQuam transmitters for sale in eBay. They can be seen using searchphrase: "New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono" in eBay. Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu May 29 18:00:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66510 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 01:00:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 01:00:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s34.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.106) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 01:00:22 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.14]) by bay0-omc1-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 29 May 2008 17:59:40 -0700 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 May 2008 17:59:40 -0700 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.113 by BLU108-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 30 May 2008 00:59:37 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 00:59:36 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2008 00:59:40.0397 (UTC) FILETIME=[708279D0:01C8C1F0] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.106 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (item 150252760566 end time Jun-04-08 23:58:05 PDT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=p3w2eAQOoZ9WzDhX7XjxjOTl6CGCzLdml6OgNFHNhijpnfPeHG2Y5at8F_8 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Hank, I believe this is the direct url link that Dick Wheeler was referring to. The Cquam is manufactored by ne of our more famous posters on the list! Donn, St. Petersburg,FL http://cgi.ebay.com/New-AM-Transmitter-CQUAM-Stereo-or-Mono-530-1700KHz-PLL_W0QQitemZ150252760566QQihZ005QQcategoryZ4675QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu May 29 18:58:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19921 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 01:58:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 01:58:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 01:58:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 43074 invoked by uid 60001); 30 May 2008 01:58:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ruNW51oVM1kONfC0XyR0xG09011uVCHnMZbsljMK4GS059wc8NzcOWPKrEAH15Tt3Yq6QsZ.5OeVeBBNgJYYRK5TiOwYt81eck3WJTv2s0DI_d39m2ux7u9b_g-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.150] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 May 2008 18:58:23 PDT Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 18:58:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <153187.43033.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (item 150252760566 end time Jun-04-08 23:58:05 PDT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=OaNsmltHb_pC3Aj45ErfyjXqe4cN54oRp6Walr7QCWo X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Donn Tillman wrote: > Hi Hank, > > I believe this is the direct url link that Dick > Wheeler was referring to. > > The Cquam is manufactored by ne of our more famous > posters on the list! I'd love to have one, but on my limited money even working at WKDK it's out of my budget for a good while. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Thu May 29 20:55:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41718 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 03:54:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 03:54:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.247) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 03:54:59 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2008 03:54:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2008 03:54:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2008 03:54:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 03:54:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <153187.43033.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.57.250.211 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (item 150252760566 end time Jun-04-08 23:58:05 PDT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=kNeI3X6dyI2jzaWtBw0MSjuKVFa9-pp_1g-Tpa62L7MgIsTWvcVwWfsxa2fhRNotwlN3gnS1 X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" =20 wrote: > >=20 > --- Donn Tillman wrote: >=20 > > Hi Hank, > >=20 > > I believe this is the direct url link that Dick > > Wheeler was referring to. > >=20 > > The Cquam is manufactored by ne of our more famous > > posters on the list! >=20 >=20 > I'd love to have one, but on my limited money even > working at WKDK it's out of my budget for a good > while.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > Hi Guys Why don't you wait for one of Chris's Tx's. His Tx's are=20 cheeper and his sound very good. Jim S From ke7ief@aol.com Thu May 29 21:53:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80358 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 04:53:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 04:53:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 04:53:15 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c84.29b0a4db (37105) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 00:53:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hank (65-101-148-207.tukw.qwest.net [65.101.148.207]) by cia-db08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB083-90f1483f8834196; Fri, 30 May 2008 00:53:09 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c8c211$16b01450$6700a8c0@hank> To: References: Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 21:53:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "hank smith" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 65.101.148.207 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (item 150252760566 end time Jun-04-08 23:58:05 PDT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=hn6gD-iYkg2y-q7iH3r7T4H5Ge6FMm_ehU1aJxYYsFVHzL6eTNuh X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have one but 1 need a christal replaced 1610 is used in az where I will be moving to and I need a way to hook up a external antanna ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:54 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (item 150252760566 end time Jun-04-08 23:58:05 PDT) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > > > --- Donn Tillman wrote: > > > Hi Hank, > > > > I believe this is the direct url link that Dick > > Wheeler was referring to. > > > > The Cquam is manufactored by ne of our more famous > > posters on the list! > > > I'd love to have one, but on my limited money even > working at WKDK it's out of my budget for a good > while. > > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > Hi Guys Why don't you wait for one of Chris's Tx's. His Tx's are cheeper and his sound very good. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu May 29 22:14:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98090 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 05:14:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 05:14:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 05:14:30 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d55.2fb640df (29678) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 01:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 01:14:28 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ZB-AVfKDgnEowsBG56y0Hc1Fa8iLzoWnWbeH0N-4EbsUuGwBXbLkJ3sDGPqwzu_W X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hank, I seem to recall that the crystals in the transmitters we have run at 2 times carrier frequency. I can check around. What were you looking for? Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu May 29 22:38:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87467 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 05:38:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 05:38:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 05:38:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98687 invoked by uid 60001); 30 May 2008 05:38:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 May 2008 22:38:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:38:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <80341.98591.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=IsQuOi3-9styoy0chhS_oxHbZliHGULbeVVoiMUjaUUCAw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Mike, they run at 4 times the freq. so that they can be divided into 90 degree pieces by a ring counter...at least my CC/AL does. G --- On Fri, 5/30/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, May 30, 2008, 1:14 AM > Hank, > > I seem to recall that the crystals in the transmitters we > have run at 2 times > carrier frequency. I can check around. What were you > looking for? > > Mike > > > ************** > Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking > with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& > ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Thu May 29 22:38:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81710 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 05:38:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 05:38:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 05:38:41 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cb8.2dd17557 (34959) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 01:38:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hank (65-101-148-207.tukw.qwest.net [65.101.148.207]) by cia-da06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA068-888f483f92d726c; Fri, 30 May 2008 01:38:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c8c217$7c8a1680$6700a8c0@hank> To: References: Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:39:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "hank smith" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 65.101.148.207 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=Mys-3gPIMUfrWJC8I0mMFNvPKELmkPw1FOOkN58zx3AEBaQ6dkwe X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit am unsure at this point I will be moving to toson az sorry for the miss spelling am trying to remimber if there is something in the ex band above 1610 that is open any idea? I know 1600 is being used thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... Hank, I seem to recall that the crystals in the transmitters we have run at 2 times carrier frequency. I can check around. What were you looking for? Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri May 30 07:48:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38540 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 14:48:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 14:48:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 14:48:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30390 invoked by uid 60001); 30 May 2008 14:48:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lPSz57AVM1nN0979B3EMH0KEQN.S7ftUbfX0k.RChtNZCNLeO32gkN4dngFozlOH1fcN4KYtbAfTkR6v2fJk7DWoIJr8vYb3zUJZ2eCnsYbtDU7EOYG8GeJ0Kw-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.154] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 May 2008 07:48:46 PDT Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 07:48:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <142035.29943.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (item 150252760566 end time Jun-04-08 23:58:05 PDT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=HP7FsvzltLWgLZB9033NKhMlJ-onkkd_05XSmzvftqs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW > > I'd love to have one, but on my limited money even > > working at WKDK it's out of my budget for a good > > while. > > > > > > Powell > > > > NNNN > > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > Hi Guys Why don't you wait for one of Chris's > Tx's. His Tx's are > cheeper and his sound very good. Jim S > Chris said he was NOT making any more. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 30 10:16:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97200 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 17:16:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 17:16:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 17:15:59 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cab.2cdc7fcd (42807) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 13:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:15:48 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=dnutXSbZBeFvDNAO2LMffk8tU4YtqKUk44Vop8BFrdIyahGH2NZwCIF2lfM8P0Pn X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George, I believe you are correct. It is four times. Sorry. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 30 10:24:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1565 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 17:24:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 17:24:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 17:24:33 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cf1.34a861d5 (42807) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 13:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:24:25 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=5DtnFgr8rOO_nqBb-yMe_-jwPFHyiBurMN0HcqjX9Mm8K4NPL_efXCNSjBEJrUjN X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hank, You can go to the FCC AM database and put in the latitude and longitude of where you will be locating. It believe it will tell you what stations are on a given frequency and the distance from them. Even with 10kW non-directional, the extended band stations don't have a large groundwave contour, especially with soil conductivity in that region. Perhaps someone on this forum who lives in that area could do a dial survey for you. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 30 10:43:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86160 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 17:43:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 17:43:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 17:43:14 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c19.3ad0c5db (42807) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 13:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:42:57 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=MT_EQSdt8ZuMAhhf7eR1Xeq0qeGDxAoYJ9SDjCkEm5T-MwFHQ2J5n6w6S2DrpFY_ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/30/08 9:49:23 AM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > Chris said he was NOT making any more. > I will sell or swap mine if anyone is interested since he is no longer making them. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Fri May 30 11:36:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63926 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 18:36:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 18:36:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 18:36:44 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bf1.2b4827fd (34970) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 14:36:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hank (65-101-148-207.tukw.qwest.net [65.101.148.207]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA077-889a4840492a353; Fri, 30 May 2008 14:36:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c8c284$291765d0$6700a8c0@hank> To: References: Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:37:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "hank smith" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 65.101.148.207 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=X3gyZ1TnYY7FHecYU2O0aoGHx_7kP9c6hD9Sw7wVs6CbBtjBELQM X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can some one do a dial servey for me? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... Hank, You can go to the FCC AM database and put in the latitude and longitude of where you will be locating. It believe it will tell you what stations are on a given frequency and the distance from them. Even with 10kW non-directional, the extended band stations don't have a large groundwave contour, especially with soil conductivity in that region. Perhaps someone on this forum who lives in that area could do a dial survey for you. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Fri May 30 11:37:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69484 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 18:37:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 18:37:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 18:37:28 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cfa.3513b2fe (34968) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 14:37:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hank (65-101-148-207.tukw.qwest.net [65.101.148.207]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA075-88984840495bb3; Fri, 30 May 2008 14:37:16 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c8c284$461ee2c0$6700a8c0@hank> To: References: Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:37:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "hank smith" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 65.101.148.207 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=riz92FljJEVWBDP-7pSUVGHsaV8pEDeRadeu7y2UgQLDsptBCvrf X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is yours working? what freq is yours at? am curious also what you wanting to swap for? Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:42 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... In a message dated 5/30/08 9:49:23 AM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > Chris said he was NOT making any more. > I will sell or swap mine if anyone is interested since he is no longer making them. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 30 12:40:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15309 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 19:40:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 19:40:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 19:40:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c69.29f7c723 (34905) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 15:40:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from webmail-db05 (webmail-db05.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.70]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA022-885948405833355; Fri, 30 May 2008 15:40:35 -0400 References: <001501c8c284$461ee2c0$6700a8c0@hank> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 15:40:35 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <001501c8c284$461ee2c0$6700a8c0@hank> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36743-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.70) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 30 May 2008 15:40:35 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA90A429D9DF56-658-A37@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=q0H_zCaYulSwgVHXjf6nVfwbI44_An91r14S2PzqRt2_Q0DDw5CZTyeIVv1K7Ezu X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hank, Mine does not seem to work, but Chris promised to fix it.? It's just been hard to reach him to send it back.? It may actually work with the right antenna.? It just doesn't at 50 ohms. Mine is tuned to 660 khz which really wouldn't be practical for broadcasting.? I just wanted it as a reliable test source because WLS reception is not very good, fading in and out. I paid $50 for it, plus some extra for the special frequency, and shipping. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 30 May 2008 1:37 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... is yours working? what freq is yours at? am curious also what you wanting to swap for? Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:42 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... In a message dated 5/30/08 9:49:23 AM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > Chris said he was NOT making any more. > I will sell or swap mine if anyone is interested since he is no longer making them. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 30 13:12:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58890 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 20:12:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 20:12:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 20:12:28 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cb8.2deaa405 (37567) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 16:12:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from webmail-db05 (webmail-db05.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.70]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB044-92bf48405fa71a2; Fri, 30 May 2008 16:12:23 -0400 References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 16:12:23 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36743-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.70) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 30 May 2008 16:12:22 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA90A89AC74D1F-658-BED@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=NdnKjETIikWjyrTMwvx4qACtwBLzt4NSRl1TQKd90JMVxOeF7aTTG4P7uFAxs7nw X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you notice, these transmitters are being sold from Greece and are illegal for unlicensed Part 15 service in the U.S..? It looks like a well engineered unit, but getting FCC approval for an assembled Part 15 BCB transmitter is both expensive and technically difficult. One of the?challenges is the?intregal antenna requirement.? That is, the transmitting system to be approval must have its own specified (and compliant)?ground, transmission line, and antenna in addition to the transmitter itself.? The FCC rules are somewhat ambigous in this regard.? For example, one manufacturer, if think it was LPB, used a?102 in. steel whip with a ferrite coil?built on the transmitter circuit board.?It?also cost north of $1,500.? It was made to be?mounted?a mast.? Even though it was FCC approved, there are those at the FCC who assert the mast to be a ground conductor extention and thus non-compliant.? I recall LPB suggesting that schools, which these units were primarily used for, emply the "campus property limit" provision to qualify the transmitters, rather than the 100 mW / 3m rule. The transmitter on email say they have a 100 mW PEP output.? Well, that all well and good, but it's not the Part 15 requirement.? The Part 15 requirement is 100 mW DC input to the final RF stage.? Apples and oranges.? A 100 mW PEP output represents a 25 mW full carrier AM signal modulated to 100%.? The reason for the low output is the AMS signal is low level analog generated and requires a linear broadband (untuned) output stage which is not very efficient.? It's?a similar approach to that used on the Chris Cuff boards.? I believe the output is 50 ohms, which is a widely used standard, but doesn't begin to match a 3m whip. As I said, it's a good design.? It seems to have alot of bells and whistles which are nice, but doesn't necessarily add to the actuall performance. By the way, one of the reasons Chris may have stopped making his boards is the?scarcity of the parts used.? I suspect if a single part failed, one could most likely come up with a replacement at some cost, but to come up with multiple part sets to built news one might be expensive as well as difficult. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 30 13:16:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57757 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 20:16:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 20:16:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 20:16:26 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cf3.338bd606 (34988) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 16:16:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from webmail-db05 (webmail-db05.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.70]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB011-88ac48406095302; Fri, 30 May 2008 16:16:21 -0400 References: <000a01c8c217$7c8a1680$6700a8c0@hank> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 16:16:21 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <000a01c8c217$7c8a1680$6700a8c0@hank> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36743-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.70) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 30 May 2008 16:16:21 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA90A9292F2FAC-658-C30@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ixIJzUSwlmVCUDtNSxbgIZdQmNRVUb6AaC2jzYMDzWvD7BzKXRvCViWN6lylOk1i X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hank, I will try doing a theoretical survey for Tucson.? Here in St. Louis, we have a full-time 5kW station on 1600 khz.? It uses a directional antenna array and I was fortune to find a test area along a null in their pattern which was a park. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:39 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... am unsure at this point I will be moving to toson az sorry for the miss spelling am trying to remimber if there is something in the ex band above 1610 that is open any idea? I know 1600 is being used thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... Hank, I seem to recall that the crystals in the transmitters we have run at 2 times carrier frequency. I can check around. What were you looking for? Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Fri May 30 13:23:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97714 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 20:23:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 20:23:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 20:23:52 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.ccc.33609885 (37589) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 16:23:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hank (65-101-148-207.tukw.qwest.net [65.101.148.207]) by cia-mb06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB062-92d548406246231; Fri, 30 May 2008 16:23:35 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c8c293$2345b0d0$6700a8c0@hank> To: Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:24:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "hank smith" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 65.101.148.207 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=32qvDBmZr0QZuxShb2YcQZzyX3GaqFp-cdzi4WzrCqd6iF1dl2nM X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello can any one tell me if this is in kit form or is it prebuilt? also any one on the list use this model in us? if so any extras you are wanting to swap for a amt3000 mono transmitter prebuilt and a prebuilt chris cuff am stereo transmitter as well? both are tuned to 1610 the amt3000 can be tuned the other one can't with out getting another cristal. thanks Hank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Fri May 30 13:26:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30500 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 20:26:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 20:26:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 20:26:16 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cce.2fc78b21 (37690) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 16:26:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hank (65-101-148-207.tukw.qwest.net [65.101.148.207]) by cia-mb08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB086-933a484062e122b; Fri, 30 May 2008 16:26:10 -0400 Message-ID: <002601c8c293$81395b60$6700a8c0@hank> To: References: <000a01c8c217$7c8a1680$6700a8c0@hank> <8CA90A9292F2FAC-658-C30@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:26:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "hank smith" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-AOL-IP: 65.101.148.207 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=LgjxcS8_YprvAx6XBqP5EEoIqr7eXUZ6nFALOJ2Ujg4Zz9dgGu3w X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:16 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... Hank, I will try doing a theoretical survey for Tucson.? Here in St. Louis, we have a full-time 5kW station on 1600 khz.? It uses a directional antenna array and I was fortune to find a test area along a null in their pattern which was a park. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:39 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... am unsure at this point I will be moving to toson az sorry for the miss spelling am trying to remimber if there is something in the ex band above 1610 that is open any idea? I know 1600 is being used thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... Hank, I seem to recall that the crystals in the transmitters we have run at 2 times carrier frequency. I can check around. What were you looking for? Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 30 14:01:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75142 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 21:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 21:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 21:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cb6.2e69d214 (37120) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 17:01:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from webmail-db05 (webmail-db05.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.70]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA016-910048406b3520d; Fri, 30 May 2008 17:01:41 -0400 References: <001501c8c293$2345b0d0$6700a8c0@hank> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 17:01:41 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <001501c8c293$2345b0d0$6700a8c0@hank> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36743-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.70) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 30 May 2008 17:01:41 -0400 Message-Id: <8CA90AF7E808169-658-E83@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=GT8GQVtNV-RZ5ah_y_kX2FCDQzOhCQZNcnw0sv1kHVf89gCm0CSxwXmZy5wpVGro X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The ones on eBay are fully assembled and tested except for antenna and ground wires.? That's why they're non-compliant.? I believe the seller is a member of this list. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 30 May 2008 3:24 pm Subject: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions hello can any one tell me if this is in kit form or is it prebuilt? also any one on the list use this model in us? if so any extras you are wanting to swap for a amt3000 mono transmitter prebuilt and a prebuilt chris cuff am stereo transmitter as well? both are tuned to 1610 the amt3000 can be tuned the other one can't with out getting another cristal. thanks Hank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Fri May 30 14:12:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68399 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 21:12:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 21:12:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 21:12:07 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cd1.32d56029 (34981) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 17:11:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hank (65-101-148-207.tukw.qwest.net [65.101.148.207]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA086-88a548406d982b8; Fri, 30 May 2008 17:11:53 -0400 Message-ID: To: References: <001501c8c293$2345b0d0$6700a8c0@hank> <8CA90AF7E808169-658-E83@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:12:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Disposition-Notification-To: "hank smith" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-AOL-IP: 65.101.148.207 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=FU_EJg-MKxpWrTTG0MMk7Y-HrXftpvsvYSDnz-oIh2-GvHsJdKTe X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit does it use rca jacks? if so I all ready have a antanna from my amt3000 I could use ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:01 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions The ones on eBay are fully assembled and tested except for antenna and ground wires.? That's why they're non-compliant.? I believe the seller is a member of this list. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 30 May 2008 3:24 pm Subject: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions hello can any one tell me if this is in kit form or is it prebuilt? also any one on the list use this model in us? if so any extras you are wanting to swap for a amt3000 mono transmitter prebuilt and a prebuilt chris cuff am stereo transmitter as well? both are tuned to 1610 the amt3000 can be tuned the other one can't with out getting another cristal. thanks Hank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 30 16:07:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86058 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 23:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 23:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 23:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c40.374b1db4 (30740) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 19:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 19:07:25 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=CmgGVMwVg_4gQZMFZT0uXWkrb_Dg3QJkw97H28sc0fC8hJSik3ebrgMhWLIjv_uP X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hank, Tucson, Arizona is located at 32 deg. 13 minutes North Latitude and 110 deg. 58 minutes West Longitude. A good frequency looks like 1640 kilohertz. It should be pretty quiet day and night with lots of room to avoid interfering with any licensed service. Mike 1. Nearest Co-Channel KBJA 1640 khz 10.0kW day / 1.0kW night Sandy, Utah 589 miles 2. Nearest Adjacent Local KXEW 1600 khz 1.0kW day / 1.0kW night (Directional antenna) South Tucson, Arizona Local 3. Nearest First Adjacents XEUT 1630 khz 10kW day / 1.0kW night Tijuana, Mexico 351 miles KHRO 1650 khz 8.5kW day / 0.85 kW night El Paso, Texas 269 miles 3. Nearest Second Adjacents KSMH 1620 khz 10.0kW day / 1.0kW night West Sacramento, California 736 miles KXOL 1660 khz 10.0kW day / 1.0kW night Brigham City, Utah 632 miles 4. Nearest Third Adjacents 1610khz is not assigned KHPY 1670khz 10kW day / 9.0kW night (Directional antenna nulls towards Tucson) Moreno Valley, California 380 miles ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri May 30 16:12:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42750 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 23:12:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 23:12:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 23:12:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2008 23:12:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2008 23:12:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 23:12:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CA90A89AC74D1F-658-BED@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.86.191 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=0NWvYHh2c_W6xWy8sCQ4BXeWNpGpMRgmUKUbVMFTkDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 Well I have to clear some things about the ASMAX-1 CQUAM AM=20 Transmitter.=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > If you notice, these transmitters are being sold from Greece and=20 are illegal for unlicensed Part 15 service in the U.S..? It looks=20 like a well engineered unit, but getting FCC approval for an=20 assembled Part 15 BCB transmitter is both expensive and technically=20 difficult.> The truth is that the most difficult part isn't the technical (as we,=20 at aspisys, are engineers, and do understand exactly for what & how=20 the rules apply on the tech side), neither the economical matter.=20 The real problem that make it difficult for us to certify it is...=20 the distance!!! As we are located at Athesn GREECE (EU) we are not=20 able to locate and easily communicate with a reliable test house at=20 US. Its common for such matters, when a product from abroad is=20 marketed at US (or EU), that the US (or EU) based dealer run all that=20 process. Of course these works out good for products that will have=20 some market interest after certification, and will sell good enough=20 to cover both the expenses and the working time needed for=20 certification from dealer/representative. That isn't the case for=20 Part15.219 AM transmitters!=20 We had try to contact some people, even some of the suggested by some=20 members of the group, but without any response. We are still interest=20 on the subject however, and we will do it ASAP if the right contacts=20 come forward. > One of the?challenges is the?intregal antenna requirement.? That=20 is, the transmitting system to be approval must have its own=20 specified (and compliant)?ground, transmission line, and antenna in=20 addition to the transmitter itself.? The FCC rules are somewhat=20 ambigous in this regard.? For example, one manufacturer, if think it=20 was LPB, used a?102 in. steel whip with a ferrite coil?built on the=20 transmitter circuit board.?It?also cost north of $1,500.? It was made=20 to be?mounted?a mast.? Even though it was FCC approved, there are=20 those at the FCC who assert the mast to be a ground conductor=20 extention and thus non-compliant.? I recall LPB suggesting that=20 schools, which these units were primarily used for, emply the "campus=20 property limit" provision to qualify the transmitters, rather than=20 the 100 mW / 3m rule.> Well the Part15.219 rule doesn't demand the antenna to be standard=20 and permantly attached at a transmitter for certification under them.=20 The requirement under 3rd paragraph is that, the (read also ANY)=20 connected antenna, should NOT exceed the 3m total lenght including=20 (if used) the transmittion line, and ground lead of it (the antenna=20 ground lead)!=20 Read the paragraph about the harmonic & spurious emmisions measuring=20 method for transmitter certification procedure under this specific=20 rule. Because antenna isn't required to be standard type and attached=20 at the transmitter thats why the procedure clearly states that:=20 ------------------------ "(c) All emissions below 510 kHz or above 1705 kHz shall be=20 attenuated at least 20 dB below the level of the unmodulated carrier.=20 Determination of compliance with the 20 dB attenuation specification may be based on measurements at the intentional radiator's antenna=20 output terminal (OUTPUT TERMINAL(!)), unless (!!! UNLESS !!!) the=20 intentional radiator uses a permanently attached antenna, in which=20 case compliance shall be demonstrated by measuring the radiated=20 emissions." ------------------------ Is it me only understanding that under 15.219 the intentional=20 radiator basicaly should have an antenna output terminal (read also=20 as from other part 15 paragraph, as a connector NOT COMMONLY USED FOR=20 ANTENNA interconnection), and from this terminal will be measured at=20 certification testing to pass or not for parasitic emissions, or also=20 others read the same? Of course maybe I do misunderstanding it. Of course paragraph (b) is about the antenna to be used (!) according=20 to part 15.219 rule.=20 --------------- "(b) The total length of the transmission line, antenna and ground=20 lead (if used) shall not exceed 3 meters."=20 ---------------=20 I can't see that the antenna should be permanently attached at the=20 transmitter. Reading it it goes mostly to the other way. An attached=20 at the transmitter, antenna will not be logical to use any length of=20 transmission line... Otherwise isn't consider as "attached"! >=20 > The transmitter on email say they have a 100 mW PEP output.? Well,=20 that all well and good, but it's not the Part 15 requirement.? The=20 Part 15 requirement is 100 mW DC input to the final RF stage.? Apples=20 and oranges.? A 100 mW PEP output represents a 25 mW full carrier AM=20 signal modulated to 100%.? The reason for the low output is the AMS=20 signal is low level analog generated and requires a linear broadband=20 (untuned) output stage which is not very efficient.? It's a similar=20 approach to that used on the Chris Cuff boards.? I believe the output=20 is 50 ohms, which is a widely used standard, but doesn't begin to=20 match a 3m whip.>=20 Should have read better the description. We clearly saying that we do=20 comply with the 15.219 rule that has a limit of 100mW DC input at=20 final amplifier, while we state it as a 100mW !RF! PEP! And we are=20 capable, as Electronic Engineers, to distinguish "Apples & Oranges"=20 very well! But Ebayers aren't all engineers to understand just by a=20 look what DCin mW is stands for and what RF PEP mW are! Previous=20 listings had the RF PEP at 140mW but we did find that a bit confusing=20 for customers, as at first look they have asking us how we say 140mW=20 when below we say the rules demand to stay at 100mW! After explain=20 them that these 2 things are different, we decide to say it "RF =3D=20 100mW PEP" that is lower than the real RF PEP level, and write the=20 exact way to understand what that is! So the non-techies readers will=20 not be so much confused...=20 The ASMAX-1 running with a final amplifier DCin power of exactly=20 100mW for unmodulated RF carrier of 37mW. That makes it capable to=20 deliver >140mW with >+100% modulation. We do setting every unit to=20 that level when we ship it to US, unless its going to licensed HAM=20 operators!=20 >=20 > As I said, it's a good design.? It seems to have alot of bells and=20 whistles which are nice, but doesn't necessarily add to the actuall=20 performance.>=20 Thanks for your comments. Of course, nor the "bells" and mostly not=20 the "whistles" add much to the broadcasting signal quality of it...=20 But they do add many usefull features to a user. Best of it (as we do=20 have excellent feedback comments for it, among others) is the timer=20 automation for scheduled broadcasting time & days!=20 I will not going to say about how + are the feedback comments for=20 audio quality and separation... Just take the time to read the=20 "ASMAX1_Review.pdf Review of ASPiSYS ASMAX1 C-Quam Transmitter by=20 K8DAD"=20 under the file section of this group.=20 And he had got an earlier model of it... :( =20 >=20 > By the way, one of the reasons Chris may have stopped making his=20 boards is the?scarcity of the parts used.? I suspect if a single part=20 failed, one could most likely come up with a replacement at some=20 cost, but to come up with multiple part sets to built news one might=20 be expensive as well as difficult. >=20 > Mike i think Chris still makes some units every 3-4 months. Maybe its more=20 skeptical about making them, due to the recent FCC actions against a=20 US based kit builder! Hope not however...=20 Sotiris From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 30 16:18:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25545 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 23:18:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 23:18:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 23:18:43 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c75.2dcc4867 (65099) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 19:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 19:18:29 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=vV_2ou7DENDXKyXEjjEhvbMSkf8d4ZlUlCnSFduacoqfVHdR-lRs4bEFvU_VaLHZ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hank, The audio inputs are RCA jacks. The RF output is BNC. http://www.aspisys.com/asmax_back.jpg Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri May 30 16:34:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39503 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 23:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 23:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.79) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 23:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2008 23:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2008 23:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2008 23:34:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 23:34:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.86.191 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=nvj29U3LgCzqFKl03EDK2pc5AUKw10o2XKnNCPaquOU X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 The units that goes to US non-HAM users always have an RCA/Phono jack=20 instead of the BNC. Photos are based on the European/HAM- International model and not the US standard user model! We do saying that at Ebay's listings, hope clear enough to everyone=20 reading the description down to the end & not only the headline of=20 it.=20 If & when we finally certify it, it would be always supplied with an=20 antenna jack like the RCA (as we do have seen other certified units=20 using it legally)!=20 Even the HAM models will be that way.=20 Sotiris=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Hank, >=20 > The audio inputs are RCA jacks. The RF output is BNC. >=20 > http://www.aspisys.com/asmax_back.jpg >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with=20 > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=3D4& > ?NCID=3Daolfod00030000000002) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 30 16:49:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4706 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 23:49:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 23:49:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 23:49:55 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.ca2.30a1e945 (65099) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 19:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 19:49:39 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=zVxLx_iTygrNjVWawrp4FBIUjgc32ZiM7o6oMfLxDSM_dn-ocZwHcrupskUEmxmV X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sortiris, Thanks for clearing things up. As I said, it appears to be a well engineered. I could be wrong, but I believe the peak power of a 25 mW unmodulated carrier is 50 mW. As the signal doubles in magnitude during 100% positive peaks, the power goes up on the square or quadruples. So the Peak Envelope Power of a 100% sine wave modulated full carrier signal is actually four times the peak or eight times the effective rms. I did error. It's not 25 mW for 100 mW PEP, it's 12.5 mW. I think. Let me read Part 15 again. I believe the intent of the regulation was to limit the output power of the device. Without a specified antenna, the power output is undefined. On Chris's board, it uses a linear, constant voltage type, output amplifier. The lower the antenna resistance, the more power output it has. The spurious measurement just specified the test conditions specific for that measurement. Again, I think. I have 30 years of experience as a test engineer. I was Test Engineering Manager with Emerson Electric for a good number of years as well as a Senior Test Engineer with LTV Aerospace Missiles Division and Loral. I'm not looking for work, but if you need a liaison for a U.S. test house, I would be willing to help. Gratis. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 30 16:56:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65794 invoked from network); 30 May 2008 23:56:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2008 23:56:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2008 23:56:04 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c30.329c00cd (65099) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 19:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 19:55:57 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=63_DGrI-nm5NI3F53OtSgMwtzD0aP8pSvT8WTBYeGRoWHT4OoHtnbeTvdDDDGre5 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/30/08 6:12:52 PM Central Daylight Time, pdmtr@yahoo.com writes: > i think Chris still makes some units every 3-4 months. Maybe its more > skeptical about making them, due to the recent FCC actions against a > US based kit builder! Hope not however... The U.S. has changed since the attack of 9/11. Even though the Communications Act of 1934 has been around for a long time, the FCC generally took a common sense approach to enforcement, especially went it comes to minor violations by ordinary citizens. Usually just a letter. Nowadays, seems everything turns into a serious matter. That's why I would like to see a fully legal AMS transmitter on the market at a reasonable price. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. 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(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri May 30 17:48:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34481 invoked from network); 31 May 2008 00:48:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2008 00:48:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.128) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2008 00:48:57 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2008 00:48:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2008 00:48:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2008 00:48:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 00:48:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.86.191 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=f54aSjAWzF89KkliZ3yKqV-foZpf2dN1suW171WpQnw X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Mike=20 a carrier with 100% AM sinewave modulation will double its voltage=20 relative to the voltage of it unmodulated, at a specific R. Since=20 current is constant at both measures for the same R the Peak Envelope=20 Power will be quadruple relative to the unmodulated carrier power=20 measured. Crest factor at AM broadcasting (better saying continious=20 analog modulation) is not so critical as on data transmittions.=20 Some good references about it are:=20 http://www.nu9n.com/am.html=20 http://www.rf-amplifiers.com/index.php?topic=3Dpeak_power=20 About the antenna issue of Part15. There is another paragraph that=20 specifies that the measures taken at the antenna port are for Z=3D50R=20 Don't remember exact number of it. I'll check it tomorrow. But we=20 have read very carefull all the CFR47 Part15 rules any times, and=20 there are some 'grey' areas inside it...=20 Will contact you soon about the testings.=20 Sotiris=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Sotiris, >=20 > Thanks for clearing things up. As I said, it appears to be a well=20 > engineered. >=20 > I could be wrong, but I believe the peak power of a 25 mW=20 unmodulated carrier=20 > is 50 mW. As the signal doubles in magnitude during 100% positive=20 peaks, the=20 > power goes up on the square or quadruples. So the Peak Envelope=20 Power of a=20 > 100% sine wave modulated full carrier signal is actually four times=20 the peak or=20 > eight times the effective rms. I did error. It's not 25 mW for=20 100 mW PEP,=20 > it's 12.5 mW. I think.=20=20 >=20 > Let me read Part 15 again. I believe the intent of the regulation=20 was to=20 > limit the output power of the device. Without a specified antenna,=20 the power=20 > output is undefined. On Chris's board, it uses a linear, constant=20 voltage type,=20 > output amplifier. The lower the antenna resistance, the more power=20 output it=20 > has. The spurious measurement just specified the test conditions=20 specific for=20 > that measurement. Again, I think. >=20 > I have 30 years of experience as a test engineer. I was Test=20 Engineering=20 > Manager with Emerson Electric for a good number of years as well as=20 a Senior Test=20 > Engineer with LTV Aerospace Missiles Division and Loral. I'm not=20 looking for=20 > work, but if you need a liaison for a U.S. test house, I would be=20 willing to=20 > help. Gratis.=20=20 >=20 > Mike From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri May 30 18:01:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57617 invoked from network); 31 May 2008 01:01:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2008 01:01:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.131) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2008 01:01:13 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2008 01:01:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2008 01:01:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2008 01:01:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 01:01:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.86.191 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=TP4dEkB8D_FgOqyPt5QhsdurRHFjgeJx1BWrFmIjDhM X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 5/30/08 6:12:52 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 pdmtr@...=20 > writes: >=20 >=20 > > i think Chris still makes some units every 3-4 months. Maybe its=20 more=20 > > skeptical about making them, due to the recent FCC actions=20 against a=20 > > US based kit builder! Hope not however...=20 >=20 > The U.S. has changed since the attack of 9/11. Even though the=20 > Communications Act of 1934 has been around for a long time, the FCC=20 generally took a common=20 > sense approach to enforcement, especially went it comes to minor=20 violations=20 > by ordinary citizens. Usually just a letter. Nowadays, seems=20 everything=20 > turns into a serious matter. >=20 > That's why I would like to see a fully legal AMS transmitter on the=20 market at=20 > a reasonable price. >=20 > Mike Yes I'm aware of these changes... However I hope that these haven't=20 forced also Chris to avoid to make his Alfredo's.=20 From the moment I've heard AM stereo I realized that a part15 AMS=20 transmitter with specifications that will be quite similar to real=20 broadcasting equipments should be in the market... Cost is something=20 that is related to too many things. For example, when we design it,=20 we estimate a price that at the time was real low. Since then the U$D=20 has fall much below Euro, and while we kept our EUR price (since we=20 also pay all parts and labor work at EUR here) same, if not lowering=20 it as much as we can, the final price for a US citizen paying at U$D=20 has raised at more than 50% !!! since early last year! :(=20 Sotiris From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 30 19:52:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24173 invoked from network); 31 May 2008 02:52:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2008 02:52:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2008 02:52:02 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d4c.200c1004 (39332) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 22:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 22:51:58 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=UcMKCQJE7clVdoPIUkZNt277NBPfCvB3KN5QPjqIu0PtblNNMmVoRRxv8JSfVMKf X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe the real problem with Chris's board is the availability of parts. It's hard to find thru-hole parts in general and the older analog and logic ICs are no longer available at reasonable prices. You have to buy them as replacement parts which cost a fortune compared to their original prices. It's just not economical. Just take a look at the cost of what's still available in Advanced Schottky and ECL. The documentation of Chris's board is enough for someone to go through and update the design with current production parts and a surface mount board. Before going to that much trouble, it might be better to go with a purely digital design using DSP techniques. As I said, I think you designed a good product. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. 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(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri May 30 20:41:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68883 invoked from network); 31 May 2008 03:41:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2008 03:41:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2008 03:41:23 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d2f.22a7fe69 (39332) for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 23:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 23:41:18 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=DfYfe_bZQFfxZ-wURPyoFnUcmQqXE-ztbO2INjy0-1QGTlQi1DRSqhmQSYz-9_LX X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/30/08 7:49:22 PM Central Daylight Time, pdmtr@yahoo.com writes: > a carrier with 100% AM sinewave modulation will double its voltage > relative to the voltage of it unmodulated Right you are. at a specific R. Since > current is constant at both measures for the same R Well, no. E = I * R . If the voltage doubles for a constant R, then current doubles as well. Since P = E * I, then the product of twice the voltage and twice the current is four times the power or quadruple. the Peak Envelope > Power will be quadruple relative to the unmodulated > carrier power measured. Right you are! The Peak Envelope Power with full carrier 100% positive sinusoidal AM modulation is indeed four times the *peak* power of unmodulated carrier. However, the rms unmodulated carrier voltage is 1 / SQRT(2) times the peak unmodulated carrier voltage so the unmodulated rms current is 1 / SQRT(2) times the peak unmodulated carrier current with a constant resistance. Since P = E * I, Prms = (Epk / SQRT(2) * (Ipk / SQRT(2) = (Epk * Ipk) / 2 . Since Ppk = Epk * Ipk, Prms = Ppk / 2. As you said, the Peak Envelope Power of the modulated carrier is four times the Peak Power of the unmodulated carrier. Since the peak unmodulated carrier power is twice the effective (rms) unmodulated carrier, the Peak Envelope Power of the modulated carrier is 8 times the effective power of the unmodulated carrier. A 100% sinusoidally modulate full carrier AM signal with 100mW of Peak Envelope Power would have an effective unmodulated carrier of 12.5mW. The same signal with 100mW of effective carrier power would have a Peak Envelope Power (PEP) of 800mW. Positive supermodulation would require even more PEP. What messed me up was I was thinking of Double Side Band Suppressed Carrier relationships, which would be four times power. Crest factor at AM broadcasting (better saying continious > > analog modulation) is not so critical as on data transmittions. Speech and music have large crest factors, which are reduced to some degree by signal procressing. Where crest factors come into play to being able to maintain a higher average modulation or modulation density. For example, a 100% modulated AM signal has four times the power in the sidebands (where the intelligence is) than a 50% modulated signal. > Will contact you soon about the testings. Great. I live in St. Louis and am about an hour and half drive to Broadcast Electronics in Quincy and about a 5 hour drive to Chicago. Boeing here in St. Louis has an EMC Lab, but I believe they only do in-house testing. It's a MIL-STD facility, so they would charge you a fortune anyway. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. 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(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Fri May 30 21:54:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13529 invoked from network); 31 May 2008 04:54:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2008 04:54:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2008 04:54:41 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d25.2a10cc17 (37219) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 00:54:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from home840bd9ac9d (65-101-148-207.tukw.qwest.net [65.101.148.207]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA062-91634840da0930e; Sat, 31 May 2008 00:54:34 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c8c2da$6b7778b0$6700a8c0@home840bd9ac9d> To: References: Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 21:54:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-AOL-IP: 65.101.148.207 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=pJr-RAy6RZI7Ohr-MHH4xnJHWUGfKRyzvcmK8lYJUn1dqkoJB7NK X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wonder if that is what the amt3000 uses and I didn't know it it sure feels like a rca jack anyways am unsure what to do with mine chris cuff one sense I can't appear to get a cristal for it. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions Hank, The audio inputs are RCA jacks. The RF output is BNC. http://www.aspisys.com/asmax_back.jpg Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Fri May 30 21:56:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93660 invoked from network); 31 May 2008 04:56:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2008 04:56:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2008 04:56:16 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.ca3.3251b9ac (37523) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 00:56:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from home840bd9ac9d (65-101-148-207.tukw.qwest.net [65.101.148.207]) by cia-ma08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA088-92934840da69157; Sat, 31 May 2008 00:56:10 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c8c2da$a4d3c460$6700a8c0@home840bd9ac9d> To: References: Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 21:56:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-AOL-IP: 65.101.148.207 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=Fh3o_oQtr1kC0P1Smqcd2UaX63MQ_pME28ak97YkkA0_aIXRUOR2 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there a way you could if I can't make the ebay listing prebuild one of these for me? I am blind and am unable to build the transmitter myself. I at this time don't think I can get the ones on ebay do to the price. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Sotiris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 4:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions Hi The units that goes to US non-HAM users always have an RCA/Phono jack instead of the BNC. Photos are based on the European/HAM- International model and not the US standard user model! We do saying that at Ebay's listings, hope clear enough to everyone reading the description down to the end & not only the headline of it. If & when we finally certify it, it would be always supplied with an antenna jack like the RCA (as we do have seen other certified units using it legally)! Even the HAM models will be that way. Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Hank, > > The audio inputs are RCA jacks. The RF output is BNC. > > http://www.aspisys.com/asmax_back.jpg > > Mike > > > ************** > Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& > ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat May 31 06:54:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58881 invoked from network); 31 May 2008 13:54:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2008 13:54:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.220) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2008 13:54:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2008 13:54:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2008 13:54:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 13:54:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c8c2da$a4d3c460$6700a8c0@home840bd9ac9d> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.86.191 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=XBERO7eu1CP3_oDvMvcIo165jKHo2Jja_IlHXOVDnek X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Hank=20 These units are ready made and boxed.=20 best regards=20 Sotiris=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > there a way you could if I can't make the ebay listing prebuild one=20 of these for me? I am blind and am unable to build the transmitter=20 myself. I at this time don't think I can get the ones on ebay do to=20 the price. > Hank > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Sotiris=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 4:34 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some=20 questions >=20 >=20 > Hi=20 > The units that goes to US non-HAM users always have an RCA/Phono=20 jack=20 > instead of the BNC. Photos are based on the European/HAM- > International model and not the US standard user model! > We do saying that at Ebay's listings, hope clear enough to=20 everyone=20 > reading the description down to the end & not only the headline=20 of=20 > it.=20 >=20 > If & when we finally certify it, it would be always supplied with=20 an=20 > antenna jack like the RCA (as we do have seen other certified=20 units=20 > using it legally)!=20 >=20 > Even the HAM models will be that way.=20 >=20 > Sotiris=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@ wrote: > > > > Hank, > >=20 > > The audio inputs are RCA jacks. The RF output is BNC. > >=20 > > http://www.aspisys.com/asmax_back.jpg > >=20 > > Mike > >=20 > >=20 > > ************** > > Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with=20 > > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=3D4& > > ?NCID=3Daolfod00030000000002) > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat May 31 09:35:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19101 invoked from network); 31 May 2008 16:35:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2008 16:35:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2008 16:35:11 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.118] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080531113455100940700010> for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 11:34:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002401c8c33c$725e5ce0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 11:34:55 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=OtYtF23a1GD2ztvNR36auuy_MXStau8BV2tGG_FYuO-J_l7vSPJS X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I actually think there should be a change in the last few stages of the design- I'd eliminate the last NE-602 and just amplify the RF in the last few transistors while modulating the output stage directly rather than the linear amp design. You'll get more RF out of it and still keep it legal. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com The documentation of Chris's board is enough for someone to go through and update the design with current production parts and a surface mount board. Before going to that much trouble, it might be better to go with a purely digital design using DSP techniques. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sat May 31 09:40:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43546 invoked from network); 31 May 2008 16:40:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2008 16:40:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2008 16:40:46 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c1d.3d8a9e53 (37595) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 12:40:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from home840bd9ac9d (65-101-148-207.tukw.qwest.net [65.101.148.207]) by cia-mb06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB068-92db48417f8435e; Sat, 31 May 2008 12:40:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c8c33d$1d216b90$6700a8c0@home840bd9ac9d> To: References: Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 09:41:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-AOL-IP: 65.101.148.207 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=3F4vzxJ19_Esf7XiZUhyuFhHB7LxmG6x2X_jjFW70upSQxYQbTpa X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit even the ones that can be ordered directly from your webpage? ----- Original Message ----- From: Sotiris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 6:54 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions Hi Hank These units are ready made and boxed. best regards Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > there a way you could if I can't make the ebay listing prebuild one of these for me? I am blind and am unable to build the transmitter myself. I at this time don't think I can get the ones on ebay do to the price. > Hank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sotiris > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 4:34 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions > > > Hi > The units that goes to US non-HAM users always have an RCA/Phono jack > instead of the BNC. Photos are based on the European/HAM- > International model and not the US standard user model! > We do saying that at Ebay's listings, hope clear enough to everyone > reading the description down to the end & not only the headline of > it. > > If & when we finally certify it, it would be always supplied with an > antenna jack like the RCA (as we do have seen other certified units > using it legally)! > > Even the HAM models will be that way. > > Sotiris > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@ wrote: > > > > Hank, > > > > The audio inputs are RCA jacks. The RF output is BNC. > > > > http://www.aspisys.com/asmax_back.jpg > > > > Mike > > > > > > ************** > > Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& > > ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 31 09:46:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89792 invoked from network); 31 May 2008 16:46:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2008 16:46:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2008 16:46:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87379 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2008 16:46:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: erLJm88VM1kcnHg0pIsKFWdgAA4w_T7r7bURn0gwAmYp31f.dILdL.EL2Mwv087piGHqWnorkcOClZWyLW1OSrWdwjpN0jrbc0e7HfT9TnyjqNhAUqsg.QI99w-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.19] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 May 2008 09:46:47 PDT Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 09:46:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000a01c8c33d$1d216b90$6700a8c0@home840bd9ac9d> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <283252.86762.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=kk5AK6E5LtupB51mCpyXtUP4N4UGbqQr7Xr-4_gmqTI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- hank smith wrote: > even the ones that can be ordered directly from your > webpage? hank a kit builder would be an absolute fool for building the kit for a purchaser. The FCC fined the rear end off of some of the suppliers for doing this. Don't even ask a supplier to do this for you. If I had kits the answer would be no.....as in the country song What Part of NO Don't you Understand. The FCC should have better things to do such as fining cheaters that have not operated legally for years, and do cause interference. They seem to be petty in who they go after. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From ke7ief@aol.com Sat May 31 10:09:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55418 invoked from network); 31 May 2008 17:09:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2008 17:09:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2008 17:09:48 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d01.30998c33 (34940) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 13:09:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from home840bd9ac9d (65-101-148-207.tukw.qwest.net [65.101.148.207]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA051-887c4841865127f; Sat, 31 May 2008 13:09:38 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c8c341$3f0c4b40$6700a8c0@home840bd9ac9d> To: References: <283252.86762.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 10:10:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-AOL-IP: 65.101.148.207 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=klg3v1QqUDWDU_m-v5Td5LLuIh07QLWSs6XJGI1ChwIh4BneoDzu X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello I was going to use it for part15 and the only reason why I was asking was because I am unable to build the kit myself if I was to purchase one of these things. I am litterly totally blind I can't see to build the thing. hope this clairifies my reasons for asking for you and the list Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 9:46 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions --- hank smith wrote: > even the ones that can be ordered directly from your > webpage? hank a kit builder would be an absolute fool for building the kit for a purchaser. The FCC fined the rear end off of some of the suppliers for doing this. Don't even ask a supplier to do this for you. If I had kits the answer would be no.....as in the country song What Part of NO Don't you Understand. The FCC should have better things to do such as fining cheaters that have not operated legally for years, and do cause interference. They seem to be petty in who they go after. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat May 31 11:09:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35954 invoked from network); 31 May 2008 18:09:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2008 18:09:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.145) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2008 18:09:15 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2008 18:09:15 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2008 18:09:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2008 18:09:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 18:09:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c8c341$3f0c4b40$6700a8c0@home840bd9ac9d> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.86.191 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=VQEW5uwMfv6GcGik5HmmEpDDUkzpLAHy8sj2NZs_WJw X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Hank=20 Yes even those ordered directly from our website will be send out as=20 ready made units, with RCA/phono connector at antenna. These units=20 are now completely done by SMT parts. However I think I still have=20 some of the units (from the 2nd batch) with thru hole parts, that I=20 could send them as "kit" with only 3 SMT chips pre-soldered on board.=20 The rest components should be put on place and soldered by the user.=20 Will provide instructions and adjsutment guide with them. After these=20 older boards go, then we will only sell the complete SMT boxed=20 product!=20 Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > Hello > I was going to use it for part15 > and the only reason why I was asking was because I am unable to=20 build the kit myself if I was to purchase one of these things. I am=20 litterly totally blind I can't see to build the thing. > hope this clairifies my reasons for asking for you and the list > Hank > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Powell E. Way III=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some=20 questions >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- hank smith wrote: >=20 > > even the ones that can be ordered directly from your > > webpage? >=20 > hank >=20 > a kit builder would be an absolute fool for building > the kit for a purchaser. The FCC fined the rear end > off of some of the suppliers for doing this. Don't > even ask a supplier to do this for you. If I had kits > the answer would be no.....as in the country song=20 > What Part of NO Don't you Understand.=20 >=20 > The FCC should have better things to do such as fining > cheaters that have not operated legally for years, and > do cause interference. They seem to be petty in who > they go after.=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From ke7ief@aol.com Sat May 31 11:16:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32462 invoked from network); 31 May 2008 18:16:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2008 18:16:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2008 18:16:12 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d50.2bb9587c (37071) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 14:16:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from home840bd9ac9d (65-101-148-207.tukw.qwest.net [65.101.148.207]) by cia-db05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB055-90cf484195de1cd; Sat, 31 May 2008 14:15:59 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c8c34a$6a0e2fd0$6700a8c0@home840bd9ac9d> To: References: Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 11:16:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-AOL-IP: 65.101.148.207 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=41j5BThbGkBA2OmeGbyI8U_rK4gtFSvA8QnEUjle8NJ_EBMwYTB9 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is the kits cheaper or the same price? am just curious. even if the kits were cheaper I would still have to try to find some one to build it for me sense I am unable to. but if the kit was cheaper may have to try to do that. thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Sotiris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 11:09 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions Hi Hank Yes even those ordered directly from our website will be send out as ready made units, with RCA/phono connector at antenna. These units are now completely done by SMT parts. However I think I still have some of the units (from the 2nd batch) with thru hole parts, that I could send them as "kit" with only 3 SMT chips pre-soldered on board. The rest components should be put on place and soldered by the user. Will provide instructions and adjsutment guide with them. After these older boards go, then we will only sell the complete SMT boxed product! Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > Hello > I was going to use it for part15 > and the only reason why I was asking was because I am unable to build the kit myself if I was to purchase one of these things. I am litterly totally blind I can't see to build the thing. > hope this clairifies my reasons for asking for you and the list > Hank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Powell E. Way III > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions > > > > --- hank smith wrote: > > > even the ones that can be ordered directly from your > > webpage? > > hank > > a kit builder would be an absolute fool for building > the kit for a purchaser. The FCC fined the rear end > off of some of the suppliers for doing this. Don't > even ask a supplier to do this for you. If I had kits > the answer would be no.....as in the country song > What Part of NO Don't you Understand. > > The FCC should have better things to do such as fining > cheaters that have not operated legally for years, and > do cause interference. They seem to be petty in who > they go after. > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 31 11:19:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64818 invoked from network); 31 May 2008 18:19:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2008 18:19:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2008 18:19:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 51433 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2008 18:19:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Sd.x0AgVM1kOzKBQKYKRFd9tuSyOqOTwjtiOt8UTc6xnxTQjLjGpDDyAyDq14RkvDmkYmmA3ONtkFHbjn2JqXaPmUhbv107sKTdtJqJYPyXC5SyCl43aFWvbsA-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.94] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 May 2008 11:19:29 PDT Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 11:19:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000601c8c341$3f0c4b40$6700a8c0@home840bd9ac9d> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <49165.51142.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=MJEzcTr_F97stj4vmIGCBIMVhR5VExx0EzVgFRMhblU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- hank smith wrote: > Hello > I was going to use it for part15 > and the only reason why I was asking was because I > am unable to build the kit myself if I was to > purchase one of these things. I am litterly totally > blind I can't see to build the thing. > hope this clairifies my reasons for asking for you > and the list > Hank I understand that you are blind. The FCC does not care. They will still fine the supplier. I'd find one put together or find someone to do build it for you other than the supplier....unless you are willing to pay his fine. And also the FCC would also likely make him stop selling the kits in addition to the fines. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat May 31 12:23:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47169 invoked from network); 31 May 2008 19:23:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2008 19:23:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2008 19:23:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12054 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2008 19:23:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 May 2008 12:23:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 12:23:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <283252.86762.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <328091.10504.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=VifalOCbpMxjO-3UqHB6VaBRdu6dlAIyecZUAC46zgt31w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Powell, if the FCC ever DID go after interference-causing operators, they would have to fine all the IBOC stations! That may be WHY they are petty in their pusuits, they don't want to upset any lobbyists! (Micheal Powell's ghost still haunts that bunch) --- On Sat, 5/31/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, May 31, 2008, 12:46 PM > --- hank smith wrote: > > > even the ones that can be ordered directly from your > > webpage? > > > hank > > a kit builder would be an absolute fool for building > the kit for a purchaser. The FCC fined the rear end > off of some of the suppliers for doing this. Don't > even ask a supplier to do this for you. If I had kits > the answer would be no.....as in the country song > What Part of NO Don't you Understand. > > The FCC should have better things to do such as fining > cheaters that have not operated legally for years, and > do cause interference. They seem to be petty in who > they go after. > > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Sat May 31 19:41:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83472 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 02:41:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2008 02:41:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 02:41:03 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c1b.32262a44 (41809) for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 22:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 22:40:51 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=zGURoPuUguTV45UkUEDWwlQh12sbWaTr4g-mlOiv7UNUzrQAid5sKQlWKKa5vdVj X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's like this. If you are not causing interference with a licensed service and you are running more or less 100 mW with a legal antenna, the chances are highly unlikely you will run afoul of the feds. The FCC is like any regulatory agency. It does not have the authority to come upon your property to inspect radio equipment without a warrant EXCEPT for licensees who waive such rights as a condition of their license. I do not believe the FCC is going to go to court to get a search warrant for a possibly non-compliant flea power transmitter if there is no interference with licensed service. If there is interference with licensed service, it doesn't matter weither the equipment is technically compliant or not. Besides, it is against U.S. law to sell such transmitters, not to buy or own them. Our friend Sortoris is in Greece where it is not illegal to sell them. I don't think Greece extradites for that kind of offense. Now weither Dick Cheney would launch a full scale invasion of Greece using Sortoris's sale of his goods is another matter. He's already invaded the cradle of Western Civilization, why not the Cradle of Democracy as well? For the record, I don't believe in noncompliance. Every engineer prides himself in maintaining his station right as rain. The same for most hams. I'm just saying the Feds have much bigger fish to fry, figuratively. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Jun 01 10:39:39 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21589 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 17:39:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2008 17:39:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.211) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 17:39:36 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2008 17:39:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2008 17:39:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2008 17:39:36 -0000 Date: 1 Jun 2008 17:39:34 -0000 Message-ID: <1212341974.15561.32335.w116@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /FCC/Part 15.219.pdf Uploaded by : grant_at_hardscrapple Description : Low Power AM Broadcasting Regulation You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/FCC/Part%2015.219.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, grant_at_hardscrapple From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Jun 01 11:26:53 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18404 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 18:26:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2008 18:26:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.252) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 18:26:50 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2008 18:26:50 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2008 18:26:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2008 18:26:50 -0000 Date: 1 Jun 2008 18:26:50 -0000 Message-ID: <1212344810.318196.31268.w117@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /FCC/Part 15 Interpretation.pdf Uploaded by : grant_at_hardscrapple Description : Interpretation of Part 15 Rules and Regulations You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/FCC/Part%2015%20Interpretation.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, grant_at_hardscrapple From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jun 01 11:50:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45479 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 18:50:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2008 18:50:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 18:50:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c50.2dfae344 (14501) for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:50:43 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=dNsEYxSY4s1bbJcAxu8CjTr6SrUiCKoLWe9pKE2peRUU0mzOnshQlRzfWqJGa1m8 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/30/08 6:12:52 PM Central Daylight Time, pdmtr@yahoo.com writes: > Part15.219 rule doesn't demand the antenna to be standard Sortoris, The FCC provides a explanatory guide to interpreting Part 15 Rules and Regulations. I've uploaded the guide in a new folder along with the 15.219 rule itself. The standard antenna requirement can be found on the second page. I am assuming with the display and all, your unit uses a microprocessor of some sort. That means in addition 15.219, it must meet the general EMC spurious emission standards as well. The challenge is coming up with a standard antenna which is 50 ohms at BCB frequencies and yet still complies with 3m requirement. A 50 ohm dummy load would not meet the requirement unless the intent was that the unit should always be operated into a dummy load only. You MIGHT be able to convince the FCC to accept a unit that limits the DC power to the RF stage to 100mW and spurious emissions to the required levels under all conditions of load. The spurious emission requirement provides for two methods of demonstrating compliance. One is a direct electrical measurement at the antenna terminal, presumably with the intended antenna connected. The other is measuring the actual radiated emission. The problem with the direct electrical measurement is that if the intended antenna is a 3m length of wire, the voltage present to deliver 100mW of real power into such a load is several thousand volts. I'd really like to get a good unit available and legal in the U.S.. It could be yours, but I believe it would take some design changes. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Jun 01 12:18:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86534 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 19:18:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2008 19:18:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.228) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 19:18:55 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h27so598805wxd.7 for ; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:18:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.53.1 with SMTP id b1mr10048646aga.48.1212347935284; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.78? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y78sm9968409pyg.17.2008.06.01.12.18.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <283252.86762.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:35:18 -0400 References: <283252.86762.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=miABLD3S3s-ErZ79RwzjpLFck_-xuY1OmXgE8N2jp3vEULozJOBoriVRGuFZrA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On May 31, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > The FCC should have better things to do such as fining cheaters that > have not operated legally for years, and do cause interference. > They seem to be petty in who they go after. Yes, I would LOVE to see the FCC fry a certain Cheater that has been operating on Daytime power 24/7 for YEARS. This station is supposed to operate 1000 Watts Day, 25 Watts Night, and 500 Watts Pre-Sunrise. Yet HE complains about a co-channel station causing QRM in his coverage area! Kevin in Upstate SC From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jun 01 12:26:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1065 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 19:26:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2008 19:26:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 19:26:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9852 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jun 2008 19:26:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: R5.Pm1gVM1nTIHUIczmjn2y7leWCCzl72RNzponXO.nLAWpU8rWrhr9TIy_M.t1nl4If78CkwvLONFRiOGocslpoD8Ra37HTbRh561whw70YShDpxa9yfxhw7A-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.20] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:26:58 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:26:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <782984.8847.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=QOD3xCIqHVpKoss7Y-K3esTuHf20dReq1RCVO6v2eRI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > On May 31, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Powell E. Way III > wrote: > > > The FCC should have better things to do such as > fining cheaters that > > have not operated legally for years, and do cause > interference. > > They seem to be petty in who they go after. > > Yes, I would LOVE to see the FCC fry a certain > Cheater that has been > operating on Daytime power 24/7 for YEARS. This > station is supposed to > operate 1000 Watts Day, 25 Watts Night, and 500 > Watts Pre-Sunrise. Yet > HE complains about a co-channel station causing QRM > in his coverage > area! > > Kevin in Upstate SC You mean WFIS ? Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Jun 01 15:18:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5856 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2008 22:18:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2008 22:18:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-0708.google.com) (64.233.178.244) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2008 22:18:17 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 55so690123hsc.14 for ; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:18:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.106.6 with SMTP id e6mr10285963agc.41.1212358696681; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.78? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n45sm4350662pyh.29.2008.06.01.15.18.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <782984.8847.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:17:56 -0400 References: <782984.8847.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=bhwj4PA4SofxzmdS-7W0Zez1aFgiJHauTRrec2DTQfD8-xJXtc1aN4i-lv43-g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jun 1, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > You mean WFIS ? Who else? LOL Perhaps we can talk to new GM at WABV into fixing that station's technical problems and turning on HD-Radio :-) Kevin From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jun 01 17:55:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4890 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 00:55:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2008 00:55:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 00:55:00 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.54] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080601195429101605700015> for ; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:54:29 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004701c8c44b$67fd3d60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:54:29 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=eqiD5nUp3Mj6ueXB7Nb_ncBSUMGz_o6k2pPDosBQ8zPL1NDHIsgk X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Says who? Even full power stations rarely have antennas that are 50 ohms. The day antenna of one of my stations is 89 ohms, another is way up around 360 ohms. The reference tower of one of my other stations runs almost as much current as the common point, meaning its impedance is well below 50 ohms (IIRC it's around 20 ohms or so.) The challenge is to match the output of the transmitter into the load of the antenna, end of story. For our purposes it could be by designing the output stage to more closely match the antenna in the first place, or design a matching network with a minimum of loss. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com The challenge is coming up with a standard antenna which is 50 ohms at BCB frequencies and yet still complies with 3m requirement. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jun 01 17:57:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48009 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 00:57:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2008 00:57:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 00:57:11 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.54] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080601195705100595300010> for ; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:57:05 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005b01c8c44b$c5423160$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:57:05 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=QZK9-VFC95cBwFhW9YHC6AguXAfOPi12y2GEkccnmPXO_k5sZfBd X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tell it to Randi Rhodes! Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Besides, it is against U.S. law to sell such transmitters, not to buy or own them. Our friend Sortoris is in Greece where it is not illegal to sell them. I don't think Greece extradites for that kind of offense. Now weither Dick Cheney would launch a full scale invasion of Greece using Sortoris's sale of his goods is another matter. He's already invaded the cradle of Western Civilization, why not the Cradle of Democracy as well? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jun 01 22:10:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37539 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 05:10:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2008 05:10:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 05:10:26 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d35.29d375be (42809) for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 01:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 01:10:23 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=AJoO0bV5QvKNG9cfCj8qx9i1xTHXJp6310Qlsi6IJG84SnbKE1pGeGn4S9BCl-ww X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/1/08 7:57:34 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > Tell it to Randi Rhodes! Mark Greene and Company sold her up the river. The problem with liberals is we have a bad tendency to eat our own. AA wasn't do all that well with Al and Randi. I would have thrown Hillary under the bus before Randi. Back on topic, I wish there was an outlet within listening range for Randi and Rachel. I know it's streamed on the web, but I get listening fatigue from webcasts in a very short period of time. It reminds me of the sound of an out of alignment Ampliphase transmitter. Something about it just grates on my ears and nerves. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jun 01 22:28:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77346 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 05:28:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2008 05:28:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 05:28:05 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c06.3790d58d (42809) for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 01:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 01:27:55 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Transmitter CQUAM Stereo or Mono 530-1700KHz PLL - eBay (it... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=e-geIPGzze6CjWiGOkth3e-kLvcGVhHctIEPkQQu_u44kqYtQc_iwJFjgJJkul-P X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I should say the need is for some kind of compliant standard antenna that is matched the output of the transmitter. Our good friend Sotoris's 50 ohm output is pretty much an industry standard for transmitters, but as you adeptedly mentioned, not antennas. The problem is the antenna length is so short, it's actual performance is not very predictable or even consistent. Even at the most advantageous frequency of 1,700 khz, its tiny true radiation resistance and free space capacitance are swamped by other environment variables. That makes it difficult to construct a standard for testing. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jun 02 07:06:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13959 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 14:06:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2008 14:06:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 14:06:12 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c17.39199254 (29679) for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:06:00 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Kj2toNJ9Xt0MEGDZgsDGtwy9gAv3VvIfYsmNbFGA1qltEL_8Clo8hqHVqXdwDa03 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/1/08 2:19:16 PM Central Daylight Time, thepossumhunter@gmail.com writes: > Yes, I would LOVE to see the FCC fry a certain Cheater that has been > operating on Daytime power 24/7 for YEARS. This station is supposed to > operate 1000 Watts Day, 25 Watts Night, and 500 Watts Pre-Sunrise. Yet > HE complains about a co-channel station causing QRM in his coverage > area! > Are you saying there is a *licensed* service that runs 1,000w without authorization at night that the Feds haven't done anything about? That's an easy thing to prove technically, not to mention the station logs. No logs? Well that's a major violation in itself. Why doesn't the FCC just pull his ticket altogether? You have things like this going on and the FCC is busting Part 15'ers for excessive ground lead lengths? Something is wrong. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jun 02 10:34:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13716 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 17:34:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2008 17:34:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 17:34:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 52464 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2008 17:34:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: C4Bl1O8VM1m7wyKUGkowP1pAGc8zc3l3Z7VTs1qV7HHtA0.IvxM7rgNmjh1ZtsWjiaVwPe_Z_zAPE7yytMCemyN8Ry__GYR93sx.8SBGlNtSRr1qwGXfJygV2g-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:34:52 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:34:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <630959.51776.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=83-SEoUIEetxPejtkSvRkQy5PL1Ki5JAZ0WGxQQwZRM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/1/08 2:19:16 PM Central > Daylight Time, > thepossumhunter@gmail.com writes: > > > > Yes, I would LOVE to see the FCC fry a certain > Cheater that has been > > operating on Daytime power 24/7 for YEARS. This > station is supposed to > > operate 1000 Watts Day, 25 Watts Night, and 500 > Watts Pre-Sunrise. Yet > > HE complains about a co-channel station causing > QRM in his coverage > > area! > > > > Are you saying there is a *licensed* service that > runs 1,000w without > authorization at night that the Feds haven't done > anything about? Yes WFIS in Fountain INN, SC > That's an easy > thing to prove technically, not to mention the > station logs. No logs? What station logs are you referring to? Be specific. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jun 02 15:12:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68610 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 22:12:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2008 22:12:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 22:12:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29843 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2008 22:11:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:11:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 15:11:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <184544.25753.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=DvourJePiVNww_ikLGOTPrzT-62lnyfTkZ4-ZOna0VUHCA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 That's because the part-15-ers don't wash the right hands or scratch the right backs in Washington! But I won't get on that topic, as I would probably wear out the keyboard, have a stroke, and get kicked off the forum. That grating ear fatigue you suffer listening to web feeds, Mike...isn't that malady known as MP3 compressionitis? Bring back RealPlayer 8... (No push for ATRAC intended, hah-hah!) George --- On Mon, 6/2/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 10:06 AM > In a message dated 6/1/08 2:19:16 PM Central Daylight Time, > thepossumhunter@gmail.com writes: > > > > Yes, I would LOVE to see the FCC fry a certain Cheater > that has been > > operating on Daytime power 24/7 for YEARS. This > station is supposed to > > operate 1000 Watts Day, 25 Watts Night, and 500 Watts > Pre-Sunrise. Yet > > HE complains about a co-channel station causing QRM in > his coverage > > area! > > > > Are you saying there is a *licensed* service that runs > 1,000w without > authorization at night that the Feds haven't done > anything about? That's an easy > thing to prove technically, not to mention the station > logs. No logs? Well > that's a major violation in itself. Why doesn't > the FCC just pull his ticket > altogether? > > You have things like this going on and the FCC is busting > Part 15'ers for > excessive ground lead lengths? Something is wrong. > > Mike > > > ************** > Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking > with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& > ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jun 02 16:02:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54205 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 23:02:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2008 23:02:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 23:02:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d2a.26e30f57 (65098) for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:02:52 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=BhX48fl3_0YqmAUCuQkmHAUH6eJfDPXcw70BFiPI1Zae0HburXz39FyEOYlhlw7z X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/2/08 12:35:28 PM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > What station logs are you referring to? Be specific. > The transmitter operating logs? Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?& NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jun 02 16:06:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83191 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 23:05:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2008 23:05:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 23:05:11 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bb9.274cdabe (65098) for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:05:06 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=qLSCtiq-8wPoRuqlrD28dMBbwoHnU4TmaUn3_A2Uh8LJKvqiJOCnsVBvJusbcNGc X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/2/08 5:13:21 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > That's because the part-15-ers don't wash the right hands or scratch the > right backs in Washington Ahh...if that was all that was involved. I would hate to be an Idaho broadcaster and need a favor from Sen. Larry "Widestance" Craig. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?& NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jun 02 16:49:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50781 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 23:49:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2008 23:49:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 23:49:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5657 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2008 23:49:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SkJrPEkVM1leV5UIzsT1qVBFqHSq347Q9LSoj3uMMIM.rNQu64srOBano5Ax5VV3jaaz2a4rUyFESguu3LEiH_vqD0nTe62G653Cdj8KnDqGjg55pwqwfX90Uw-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.35] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:49:02 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 16:49:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <489968.5562.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=vMKZleQWfhSJX082GMiGG0ZZTdrdx_VDe2sbdLiPlio X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/2/08 12:35:28 PM Central > Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com > writes: > > > > What station logs are you referring to? Be > specific. > > > > The transmitter operating logs? No longer required. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jun 02 16:53:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89353 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2008 23:53:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2008 23:53:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2008 23:53:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3492 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2008 23:53:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.125] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:53:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 16:53:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <793418.2643.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=L8nySL_qUfrJBNJmzHW8_-uvGrbwxzrxCbpssZT8klnt4g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 AMEN!!! --- On Mon, 6/2/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 7:05 PM > In a message dated 6/2/08 5:13:21 PM Central Daylight Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com > writes: > > > > That's because the part-15-ers don't wash the > right hands or scratch the > > right backs in Washington > > Ahh...if that was all that was involved. I would hate to > be an Idaho > broadcaster and need a favor from Sen. Larry > "Widestance" Craig. > > Mike > > > ************** > Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking > with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?& > NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Jun 02 17:45:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8338 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2008 00:45:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2008 00:45:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.237) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2008 00:45:38 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h27so880814wxd.19 for ; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:45:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.102.15 with SMTP id z15mr12229913agb.114.1212453937511; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.64? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n29sm16003490pyh.32.2008.06.02.17.45.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:19:46 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=Q5pN9csIQOZnWrbgw_Smeo1K1sMTZTOauFlqKoA2bKL_tifRUeKLKWo3bkNLYA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jun 2, 2008, at 10:06 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Are you saying there is a *licensed* service that runs 1,000w > without authorization at night that the Feds haven't done anything > about? Yup, and this one station is not the only one. WDRF 1510 with 1000 Watts Day, 250 Watts Critical Hours is another frequent cheater. I used to hear them at night in Florida long after they were supposed to be signed off > You have things like this going on and the FCC is busting Part > 15'ers for excessive ground lead lengths? Something is wrong. You are very correct! Kevin in Upstate South Carolina From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jun 02 18:57:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1259 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2008 01:57:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2008 01:57:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2008 01:57:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63022 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2008 01:57:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VVGpzlsVM1moSA29aaCSIdUZyloHjF9dwSOp_xGMFjQ_I4_e6z_L4YsDRWKTmM9aLWfGMvGv_msDwCWie1gtmlnQMjeoQL84LD_oaBqkDSs2mskbUctdK1tk0A-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.88] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:57:21 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 18:57:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <291585.62027.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=06Iv5BHfo3qbx7HxOrS03RG2NoUVvxFkQ1vmZWIplIo X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > > On Jun 2, 2008, at 10:06 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > Are you saying there is a *licensed* service that > runs 1,000w > > without authorization at night that the Feds > haven't done anything > > about? > > Yup, and this one station is not the only one. WDRF > 1510 with 1000 > Watts Day, 250 Watts Critical Hours is another > frequent cheater. I > used to hear them at night in Florida long after > they were supposed to > be signed off > > > You have things like this going on and the FCC is > busting Part > > 15'ers for excessive ground lead lengths? > Something is wrong. > > You are very correct! > > Kevin in Upstate South Carolina WDRF never uses their critical hours either. They do run it lower when they stay on, but not ALL night any more. Someone else is "cheating" on 1510 as it gives WLAC fits when I want to listen to Coast to Coast. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jun 02 20:44:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31044 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2008 03:43:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2008 03:43:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2008 03:43:08 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bf7.3681c07a (32915); Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:42:57 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: MJGRANT@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=1pUu9BUCx2V_PfZrEJHs6xQnmuiQjxnf_5sfCreFpAj7kdgF93EQZOubGCcxVnVz X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Powell, When I am in Arkansas, I listen to C2C on WLAC as well. Good strong signal. Old school professional air presence. WLS also carries C2C, which I would prefer because they run CQUAM at night, but their signal isn't what it used to be. When I lived in the Natural State about 20 years ago, WLS was almost as strong as a local station. No more. KCJJ now trounces the Big 89's signal much of the time even at that distance. Must be Global Warming. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?& NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jun 02 20:47:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15368 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2008 03:47:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2008 03:47:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2008 03:47:48 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d15.260f8503 (32915) for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:47:40 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=eprAsitiDCAe-xqCFwPc5tIF5DjQgb2Aw2pJ4OhXlY6oizMa12PBrsgBbIBHouxT X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sotoris, Any thoughts on a standard antenna? I was thinking of calling Ludwell Sibley at LPB, if he is still around, to see how that handled the certification issue. Anyone who has done time at a CC college station knows Mr. Sibley and LPB very well. He wrong the bible on carrier current broadcasting. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?& NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Jun 02 21:40:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55519 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2008 04:40:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2008 04:40:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2008 04:40:01 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d01.30d8904e (34967) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 00:39:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from home840bd9ac9d (65-101-148-207.tukw.qwest.net [65.101.148.207]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA074-88974844cb1a86; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 00:39:55 -0400 Message-ID: <002701c8c533$e6c58f10$6700a8c0@home840bd9ac9d> To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:40:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-AOL-IP: 65.101.148.207 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=c54A7Cou2ndkV-g2P6NDL7xp8QhUFKvAdKAbkoP7VDqxNDnUYaUP X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can I pick up wls, and kcjj in toson az? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: MJGRANT@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:42 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions Powell, When I am in Arkansas, I listen to C2C on WLAC as well. Good strong signal. Old school professional air presence. WLS also carries C2C, which I would prefer because they run CQUAM at night, but their signal isn't what it used to be. When I lived in the Natural State about 20 years ago, WLS was almost as strong as a local station. No more. KCJJ now trounces the Big 89's signal much of the time even at that distance. Must be Global Warming. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?& NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jun 03 04:37:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71894 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2008 11:37:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2008 11:37:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2008 11:37:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12286 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2008 11:37:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bmecL84VM1m3QNgdTacvrJ4zXmvESht0dKJmNofZVC5rv.YHBGMeumWr5S_TeSDwrtqXHJStQilaig.e2318Qgu5uA6NvYXBsJIwQxrMNXICJUlI7Uie20fhaA-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.172] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 04:37:45 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 04:37:45 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <91382.12107.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=qKTtlKAgYUoI4lUak7TIamHg3cDSRE82_Iug2o83IX4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Sotoris, > > Any thoughts on a standard antenna? I was thinking > of calling Ludwell Sibley > at LPB, if he is still around, to see how that > handled the certification > issue. Anyone who has done time at a CC college > station knows Mr. Sibley and LPB > very well. He wrong the bible on carrier current > broadcasting. He wrong the bible? BTW for all intents and purposes LPB is no longer in business. Gone! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jun 03 04:38:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2345 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2008 11:38:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2008 11:38:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2008 11:38:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 71812 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2008 11:38:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zcIRuS0VM1l28PqEl_zbaU1iIWsWg1z2H4INfGm8soA8.fBPTayVSr1HCEb.NBfzpw-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.172] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 04:38:57 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 04:38:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002701c8c533$e6c58f10$6700a8c0@home840bd9ac9d> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <398670.71499.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=44yhaEoIA8V2tJ0HTsp1pmX_KG3K4JLkSKHXtRZO8Ic X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- hank smith wrote: > can I pick up wls, and kcjj in toson az? Where is Toson, AZ ? I never heard of that town. In AZ it is VERY unlikely you can hear WLS. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From ke7ief@aol.com Tue Jun 03 05:33:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82734 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2008 12:33:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2008 12:33:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2008 12:32:59 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d2d.2cb9b1b0 (34947) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 08:32:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from home840bd9ac9d (65-101-148-207.tukw.qwest.net [65.101.148.207]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA058-8883484539f1212; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 08:32:49 -0400 Message-ID: <002701c8c576$15ae33d0$6700a8c0@home840bd9ac9d> To: References: <398670.71499.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 05:33:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-AOL-IP: 65.101.148.207 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=Ra2_jL6vmx1vcRIYkO795EvbLSIo4rOxG9kg0hQTmYoOLJTwBXgh X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit its a hour from feenix am killing the spelling of the name of the town in az sorry about that Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:38 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions --- hank smith wrote: > can I pick up wls, and kcjj in toson az? Where is Toson, AZ ? I never heard of that town. In AZ it is VERY unlikely you can hear WLS. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jun 03 06:10:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57383 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2008 13:10:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2008 13:10:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2008 13:10:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80058 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2008 13:10:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mqGlc0QVM1nTndbP_AyIe1BKEk49Wc5sqNOURGBNAV7OIinvdrqYEpX8mGLWwCwDWgvoqrvv0XXcooS0p5RdxgX90CDaxzKuFAIa X-Received: from [209.213.19.104] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 06:10:13 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 06:10:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002701c8c576$15ae33d0$6700a8c0@home840bd9ac9d> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <151549.79852.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=d4AS7NwruawFUOKu9nhS7bXglNox3-TeNsIsaxqNCRg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- hank smith wrote: > its a hour from feenix > am killing the spelling of the name of the town in > az sorry about that So you are moving to tewwsahn....... heh heh. Yeah, be careful not to melt, not to mention melt your radios in the heat. I think Snowflake Arizona would be a better place. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From ke7ief@aol.com Tue Jun 03 07:45:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74592 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2008 14:45:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2008 14:45:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2008 14:45:38 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d14.271f3fd8 (34945) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:45:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from home840bd9ac9d (65-101-148-207.tukw.qwest.net [65.101.148.207]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA056-88814845590c137; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:45:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c8c588$7ce0cab0$6700a8c0@home840bd9ac9d> To: References: <151549.79852.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:45:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-AOL-IP: 65.101.148.207 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=EZTvQwbkv67DfaC3r87SnfHSyffkqK78oM7azetq4nysNE4ASlxT X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit tell me about it it gets to be at least 120 degreese down there Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:10 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions --- hank smith wrote: > its a hour from feenix > am killing the spelling of the name of the town in > az sorry about that So you are moving to tewwsahn....... heh heh. Yeah, be careful not to melt, not to mention melt your radios in the heat. I think Snowflake Arizona would be a better place. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jun 03 09:40:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9921 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2008 16:40:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2008 16:40:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2008 16:40:36 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cb6.2ecd18cd (41810) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:40:30 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=G3lID6ueymkvoJhMVWcQsw1U5yxlecWydsB00YcpOtcyjjlmT8wt_8BvtIPqBbV0 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/2/08 11:40:25 PM Central Daylight Time, ke7ief@aol.com writes: > can I pick up wls, and kcjj in toson az? > I doubt it. KCJJ is in Iowa City with only 1 kW at night. There was a time WLS was loud and clear all the way to Colorado and Texas. I don't know anymore. Aside from signal degradation, I believe there is Mexican co-channel station. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?& NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Tue Jun 03 11:48:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73806 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2008 18:48:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2008 18:48:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2008 18:48:09 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.caa.2cf85fc4 (37687) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:47:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from home840bd9ac9d (65-101-148-207.tukw.qwest.net [65.101.148.207]) by cia-mb08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB083-9337484591d33e; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:47:48 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c8c5aa$57d506b0$6700a8c0@home840bd9ac9d> To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:47:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-AOL-IP: 65.101.148.207 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=LgtgcOdqqTgKKrGVwGuz4ueUhymrncUYSjaQrRHGXcUDhLPW_nty X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wonder if there is any am stereo stations I can pick up down there at night any I should shoot for? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:40 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions In a message dated 6/2/08 11:40:25 PM Central Daylight Time, ke7ief@aol.com writes: > can I pick up wls, and kcjj in toson az? > I doubt it. KCJJ is in Iowa City with only 1 kW at night. There was a time WLS was loud and clear all the way to Colorado and Texas. I don't know anymore. Aside from signal degradation, I believe there is Mexican co-channel station. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?& NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dc2daylight@gmail.com Tue Jun 03 14:13:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dc2daylight@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72662 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2008 21:13:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2008 21:13:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.31) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2008 21:13:10 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so1798561ywt.89 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:13:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.204.8 with SMTP id b8mr1726498ybg.75.1212527590060; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.47? ( [72.161.197.170]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d12sm507472qbc.26.2008.06.03.14.12.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:12:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <01d401c8c15c$316ae460$6700a8c0@hank> References: <8bce0fe80805221436h6da7a0e7y6375a227656f5616@mail.gmail.com> <01d401c8c15c$316ae460$6700a8c0@hank> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4B3C1302-E780-4B7F-BF56-3E848AFD486A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:12:50 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Moving East X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=263622177; y=VbggKSFiw0jTlrRVF3vz8HchUQPycoBoz9rSea9dgw2n6Sel0w X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On May 29, 2008, at 12:18 AM, hank smith wrote: > any in az? Sadly, no. Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jun 03 17:15:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53019 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2008 00:15:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2008 00:15:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2008 00:15:21 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cb3.32caa3a4 (14467) for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:15:18 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Moving East X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=H9KmB8jFJEVtXJHg4MXS2Y8jwLPIY3Ni8cXlqfmhJ03B6hN-3jytY3XfC8QRH_se X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know someone who is trying to get a licensed station in Arizona up to its full 5kW. My AMS phase to amplitude engine is designed to excite a RCA Ampliphase final RF stage. Can't promise anything, but there is a possibility. In the meanwhile, in doing the search for an open frequency for your Part 15 station, I noticed you are in nighttime range of a number of Mexican extended band stations. I don't know if they run CQUAM though. Aren't there any members in Arizona or the Southwest? Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?& NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Jun 03 17:32:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26564 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2008 00:32:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2008 00:32:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2008 00:32:19 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.142] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080603193200100521600010> for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:32:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001301c8c5da$9b38ea40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <8bce0fe80805221436h6da7a0e7y6375a227656f5616@mail.gmail.com> <01d401c8c15c$316ae460$6700a8c0@hank> <4B3C1302-E780-4B7F-BF56-3E848AFD486A@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:32:00 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Moving East X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=_QWgYJ9zvE8bE13CMHl_-NA2nO-ebfOq9hOYrKVH9U8__zEZDccg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any Mexican AMS heard there? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:13 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Moving East On May 29, 2008, at 12:18 AM, hank smith wrote: > any in az? Sadly, no. Kevin --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Jun 03 17:36:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26469 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2008 00:36:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2008 00:36:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2008 00:36:20 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.142] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080603193600101041400010> for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:36:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002701c8c5db$2a416e60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:36:00 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=m_KkPT86eWb4cdi5S1zr-nEglRsHbpIo9QiGWb76aWTsxrKNrVUj X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Haven't heard that name in awhile. I knew when he was on the board of directors for the Antique Wireless Association, though I never met him personally. I could get you his ham callsign and do a QRZ search for some contact information. The best part-15 antenna is a fat one. A section of 4" copper tubing would beat any whip hands down. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Any thoughts on a standard antenna? I was thinking of calling Ludwell Sibley at LPB, if he is still around, to see how that handled the certification issue. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dc2daylight@gmail.com Tue Jun 03 20:46:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dc2daylight@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41336 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2008 03:46:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2008 03:46:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.233) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2008 03:46:28 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h31so1450178wxd.1 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:46:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.93.13 with SMTP id q13mr14293536agb.47.1212551188192; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.2.3? ( [75.120.193.59]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z38sm1212733pyg.25.2008.06.03.20.46.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:46:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <001301c8c5da$9b38ea40$d503fea9@stodd> References: <8bce0fe80805221436h6da7a0e7y6375a227656f5616@mail.gmail.com> <01d401c8c15c$316ae460$6700a8c0@hank> <4B3C1302-E780-4B7F-BF56-3E848AFD486A@gmail.com> <001301c8c5da$9b38ea40$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <56F09F4E-D691-49A5-B542-6D042F92FECE@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 22:46:24 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Moving East X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=263622177; y=fWWUe5Pzoei9pIHS530-BFreAGxICYq7nrTh7L74Me_arA3y1w X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Jun 3, 2008, at 7:32 PM, wrote: > Any Mexican AMS heard there? Not any more. XENY used to be AM $. Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jun 03 21:16:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 455 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2008 04:15:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2008 04:15:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2008 04:15:59 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d58.229c1bd5 (30740) for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 00:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 00:15:53 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=-V9fi_p19nEOCbOz5YrgojPbORFrt5xc6i1z8UvY2bTspMmycUlxrd8PMI87kGoV X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ludwell Sibley was heavily involved in an organization known as the IBS or Intercollegiate Broadcast System. His manual on Carrier Current Broadcasting was old and tattered even when I was in college. I believe he was one of the founders and/or partners in LPB, Inc. who was the only real commerical supplier of carrier current broadcasting equipment. Since those days, LPB went on to more mainstream broadcast equipment. LPB made Part 15 intentional radiators but it is my understanding they have since gotten out of the business. Their product was very expensive. You are correct about the efficiency of the radiator improving with the diameter of the monopole. The benefit increasing the capacitance of the radiator to free space and therefore decreasing its capacitive reactance. One way of achieving the a large effective diameter, without actually having a conductor that size is "caging". That is, a large diameter center conductor/support it "folded" at the top with a ring of smaller conductors equally spaced going back down towards the base. It provides a large effective diameter which also increasing the electrical length while maintaining an overall length of less than 3 meters. I have actually built one of these, out of rigid copper tube, as you suggest. Doing impedance measurements, its characteristics are highly dependent on the ground used. I suspect no worse than a conventional whip, but troublesome nevertheless. That's why it wouldn't make a good standard. Lack of repeatability and reproducibility. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?& NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Jun 04 05:14:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76707 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2008 12:14:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2008 12:14:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.29) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2008 12:14:36 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so39596ywe.71 for ; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 05:14:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.154.6 with SMTP id b6mr1354685ybe.28.1212581675765; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 05:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.115? ( [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm1333864wrh.40.2008.06.04.05.14.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 04 Jun 2008 05:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <291585.62027.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:25:21 -0400 References: <291585.62027.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=IpHTXwI_65bDq6FRnN6kFAs4aFk54fLrU2D1Mf_zzJqkg_Fk6TKMpMBHy5AhYw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jun 2, 2008, at 9:57 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > WDRF never uses their critical hours either. They do run it lower > when they stay on, but not ALL night any more. When I worked there when it was WJKI, we would hear about it of we didn't go to 250 Watts dead nuts on time. Some evenings just before sign-off, you couldn't get WJKI at the end of the driveway due to Skywave from WLAC. My question is why isn't WLAC as protective of their Night and Critical Hours coverage as they used to be? WLAC has fought that station since it first hit the air as WSJW. Why are they letting WDRF get away with cheating now? Kevin in Upstate SC From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 06:57:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91714 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2008 13:57:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2008 13:57:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2008 13:57:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 67908 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 2008 13:57:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DH86ZJ0VM1m2AzWwddzmnmHCuBONHB9tfkkJgbgcyWepNKzdq6ibLZTl1mwDIFOaIyEPtJwM.JC0GDR1MJdx31B7at2zynoTFh8X1eijaUkxaNRjMwy2wqoUEQ-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.7] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 06:57:03 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 06:57:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <973393.66918.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=12IhEbHPdtsP3cfGg_jL8SlEehZCFhsCwcjYl-ZGRZk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Possum Hunter wrote: > When I worked there when it was WJKI, we would hear > about it of we > didn't go to 250 Watts dead nuts on time. Some > evenings just before > sign-off, you couldn't get WJKI at the end of the > driveway due to > Skywave from WLAC. > > My question is why isn't WLAC as protective of their > Night and > Critical Hours coverage as they used to be? WLAC has > fought that > station since it first hit the air as WSJW. Why are > they letting WDRF > get away with cheating now? Because Ben B the current region CC chief doesn't care. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From robert.w.welch@att.net Wed Jun 04 18:33:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71666 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2008 01:33:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2008 01:33:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.101) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2008 01:33:34 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2008 01:33:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2008 01:33:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2008 01:33:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:33:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.58.25 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=0LFLBkjem2Y5ALtv4yhPuODkgYXEQ83bmOvdrhHUFwMLwJ0XplNZ X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 If it was knowing and willingly done... violating the law that is... one could just as easily fudge the transmitter logs in as much of a manner... albeit all of this being sick... oh so sick... of a way to run a radio station. I'll mind you all of that. I'm the Acting PD of WSTJ St Johnsbury ... a station which at 1340 was granted permission to run 1kw years ago from needing to cut to 250w at nightfall.=20=20 All that said... I listened with dismay in an area as close to Boston... as Keene, NH to the state line with Mass back around sunset in fall of 2006.. I believe and heard WBZ getting interupted... almost to the tune of being completely wiped off the dial completely by some station down in the Mid-Atlantic region.. I think...=20 I had other things on my mind at the time... like driving... but, I said to myself... this is remarkable WBZ getting wiped of the dial as it is tossing out 50 kw and I'm ... definately in a 50kw zone of WBZ. That is the standard bearer... and milepost of all radio stations in the entire region.=20=20=20 Maybe it was just my reverence for radio history talking there for a wee bit... but, still... for a moment while behind the wheel that evening at around 5:30pm in December.. and me being a natural-born New Englander... That moment just took me speechless... and I'm hired to talk. Bob at WSTJ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 6/2/08 12:35:28 PM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@...=20 > writes: >=20 >=20 > > What station logs are you referring to? Be specific.=20 > >=20 >=20 > The transmitter operating logs? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with=20 > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=3D4?& > NCID=3Daolfod00030000000002) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jun 04 18:52:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52260 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2008 01:52:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2008 01:52:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2008 01:52:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31892 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2008 01:52:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xipJxwgVM1mY17R.53cyE7J3v2XeDlGddz.0QSNIcXifLPN0_R9BKz154vK7be8bn9fNEHvZKVryQ1NDOmmPYURFKFjWTTiz64qP X-Received: from [209.213.19.156] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:52:10 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 18:52:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <952646.31841.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=1QHilImeD5vwL02kNw5VSMyT3NuIsUGGKprzuQ1D3kM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- Bob Welch wrote: > If it was knowing and willingly done... violating > the law that is... > one could just as easily fudge the transmitter logs > in as much of a > manner... albeit all of this being sick... oh so > sick... of a way to > run a radio station. I'll mind you all of that. Um Bob, WHY would you keep a transmitter log if you were going to cheat? It's no longer required. If you cheat and get caught and also fudged the transmitter log you didn't HAVE to keep the FCC CAN then fine you on that point also! > I'm the Acting PD of WSTJ St Johnsbury ... a station > which at 1340 was > granted permission to run 1kw years ago from needing > to cut to 250w at nightfall. And now virtually no one on the "graveyard" frequencies have to, although there ARE exceptions. > All that said... I listened with dismay in an area > as close to > Boston... as Keene, NH to the state line with Mass > back around sunset > in fall of 2006.. I believe and heard WBZ getting > interupted... almost > to the tune of being completely wiped off the dial > completely by some > station down in the Mid-Atlantic region.. I think... At that distance that would not surprise me at all. > I had other things on my mind at the time... like > driving... but, I > said to myself... this is remarkable WBZ getting > wiped of the dial as > it is tossing out 50 kw and I'm ... definately in a > 50kw zone of WBZ. Well, no, um, er what do you mean by 50 KW zone? I am afraid I don't understand. Let me ask this. How many miles are you away from WBZ at that point ?? > That is the standard bearer... and milepost of all > radio stations in > the entire region. > > Maybe it was just my reverence for radio history > talking there for a > wee bit... but, still... for a moment while behind > the wheel that > evening at around 5:30pm in December.. and me being > a natural-born New > Englander... That moment just took me speechless... > and I'm hired to talk. It's called skywave. And it can and will be destructive. I wonder if the interfering station was supposed to run critical hours and did not. That happens a lot. Nothing would be done until WBZ makes a complaint to the FCC. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From robert.w.welch@att.net Wed Jun 04 19:08:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15567 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2008 02:08:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2008 02:08:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n33a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.214) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2008 02:08:40 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2008 02:08:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2008 02:08:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2008 02:08:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:08:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <952646.31841.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.58.25 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=gU4r7wa_Z27C6JtMfLK7Xac_1jObxs4r_GVL9DQ1f4_ygF2M7Jf- X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 As I said... I'm an Acting PD... I keep a transmitter log just because the 62-year old I replaced.. who retired... kept a transmitter log. I did not know they were no longer required. Given in the word "Acting" there are some rules which once were that I'm just following as they always were. Thus begs the question... Since I was always told by my now retired colleague... and the other station I worked at before here to staple the EAS tape and make notation of the time of every EAS test on the transmitter log of the date... Just where would I staple the EAS tape if there were no transmitter log to maintain? Bob Welch WSTJ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > >=20 > --- Bob Welch wrote: >=20 > > If it was knowing and willingly done... violating > > the law that is... > > one could just as easily fudge the transmitter logs > > in as much of a > > manner... albeit all of this being sick... oh so > > sick... of a way to > > run a radio station. I'll mind you all of that. >=20 >=20 > Um Bob, WHY would you keep a transmitter log if you > were going to cheat? It's no longer required. If you > cheat and get caught and also fudged the transmitter > log you didn't HAVE to keep the FCC CAN then fine you > on that point also!=20=20 >=20 >=20 > > I'm the Acting PD of WSTJ St Johnsbury ... a station > > which at 1340 was > > granted permission to run 1kw years ago from needing > > to cut to 250w at nightfall.=20=20 >=20 >=20 > And now virtually no one on the "graveyard" > frequencies have to, although there ARE exceptions.=20 >=20 >=20=20 > > All that said... I listened with dismay in an area > > as close to > > Boston... as Keene, NH to the state line with Mass > > back around sunset > > in fall of 2006.. I believe and heard WBZ getting > > interupted... almost > > to the tune of being completely wiped off the dial > > completely by some > > station down in the Mid-Atlantic region.. I think... >=20 >=20 > At that distance that would not surprise me at all.=20 >=20 >=20 > > I had other things on my mind at the time... like > > driving... but, I > > said to myself... this is remarkable WBZ getting > > wiped of the dial as > > it is tossing out 50 kw and I'm ... definately in a > > 50kw zone of WBZ. >=20 > Well, no, um, er what do you mean by 50 KW zone? I am > afraid I don't understand. Let me ask this. How many > miles are you away from WBZ at that point ??=20=20 >=20 >=20 > > That is the standard bearer... and milepost of all > > radio stations in > > the entire region.=20=20=20 > >=20 > > Maybe it was just my reverence for radio history > > talking there for a > > wee bit... but, still... for a moment while behind > > the wheel that > > evening at around 5:30pm in December.. and me being > > a natural-born New > > Englander... That moment just took me speechless... > > and I'm hired to talk. >=20 >=20 > It's called skywave. And it can and will be > destructive. I wonder if the interfering station was > supposed to run critical hours and did not. That > happens a lot. Nothing would be done until WBZ makes a > complaint to the FCC.=20=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jun 04 22:00:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59401 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2008 05:00:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2008 05:00:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2008 05:00:07 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c2a.29835eb2 (65100) for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 00:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 00:59:55 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=8YqXv_qmE6pKAbYWKFdh5-iPfjksvP9gXkTWGp05KuHNk_-onQd0Su3Gk928uj2u X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At some point, violations cease being regulatory rules violations with civil penalities and become violations of the Communication Act of 1934 with felony criminal penalities. Personally, I wouldn't want to be sharing the honeymoon suite at a federal correctional institution if you know what I mean. WBZ is a powerful station. In the heyday of Comtemporary Top 40, WBZ was the second highest rated station in the evening. In Baltimore, Maryland that is. WBZ's directional antenna had nothing to do with protecting other stations as WBZ had frequency protection out to Saturn. It directed all those 50,000 watts down the East Coast. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?& NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jun 05 05:36:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90046 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2008 12:36:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2008 12:36:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2008 12:36:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22930 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2008 12:36:28 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.14] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 05:36:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 05:36:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <178664.22264.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=QzO5L8dEo0mkg94jYLFGCoE-XLp_kOgV5FTecbE1iUo X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 6/4/08, Bob Welch wrote: > From: Bob Welch > Subject: {AMSF} Re: that cquam transmitter on ebay? have some questions > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 10:08 PM > As I said... I'm an Acting PD... I keep a transmitter > log just because > the 62-year old I replaced.. who retired... kept a > transmitter log. I > did not know they were no longer required. > > Given in the word "Acting" there are some rules > which once were that > I'm just following as they always were. Thus begs the > question... > Since I was always told by my now retired colleague... and > the other > station I worked at before here to staple the EAS tape and > make > notation of the time of every EAS test on the transmitter > log of the > date... Just where would I staple the EAS tape if there > were no > transmitter log to maintain? > > Bob Welch > WSTJ EAS is not part of the transmitter log. Email me your mailing address and I will send you our form which you can modify for your use. You need to make a paper form and log the EAS, on duty needs to sign the EAS sheet and save them. Powell From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jun 06 19:58:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1472 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2008 02:58:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2008 02:58:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.128) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2008 02:58:22 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2008 02:58:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2008 02:58:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2008 02:58:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 02:58:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.64 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=MM9ATnj4WIvqRn08rVwHsl99pCXv46lIFSJN7g4Yz8m3-__k_w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! In the beaufiful and wonderful early years of the 1970's was a very=20 good vocal/instrumental group called Carpenters. I love their=20 music!!! Well, Carpenters made an album (vinyl, of course) called "Yesterday=20 and Today". The second face ("B" face) of this album was a=20 large "mixed" selection of old songs, a kind of tribute of the old=20 fashion musical radio. I want to know if there is an AM radio, today, in USA, with this=20 kind of programming and, as I don't live in USA, if there is some=20 web page where we could hear it. Thanks a lot for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 06 21:06:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64870 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2008 04:06:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2008 04:06:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.130) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2008 04:06:39 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n3.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2008 04:06:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2008 04:06:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2008 04:06:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 04:06:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.57.251.63 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=CWyB2k_U6f7cbcS5dyk5ZCcXEmdNGfZ6PS0ylvhZtRvjj5l3zXYJI9W9yVT2XoUvtfiBFr_B X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > In the beaufiful and wonderful early years of the 1970's was a very=20 > good vocal/instrumental group called Carpenters. I love their=20 > music!!! >=20 > Well, Carpenters made an album (vinyl, of course) called "Yesterday=20 > and Today". The second face ("B" face) of this album was a=20 > large "mixed" selection of old songs, a kind of tribute of the old=20 > fashion musical radio. >=20 > I want to know if there is an AM radio, today, in USA, with this=20 > kind of programming and, as I don't live in USA, if there is some=20 > web page where we could hear it. >=20 > Thanks a lot for your time!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > Hi Jaun You can try www.legends1680.com. Thay are a AM STEREO=20 station in Fresno Ca USA, Thay play from the 50's up. Take care Jim S From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jun 07 11:55:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78760 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2008 18:55:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2008 18:55:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2008 18:55:36 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c3a.37a692a1 (39330) for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:55:30 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=gTEp9zYOARHO4F93-73OB-vanywRZjwyQn5Nzclq9eRC7Yb8la6cVvYOQuuJIXjG X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I, too, like the Carpenters. Karen's passing was a tragic loss. Yes, the Carpenters still get airplay. I believe the format here in the U.S. is called "Soft Rock", almost always FM. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?& NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Jun 08 16:17:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81377 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2008 23:17:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2008 23:17:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.228) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2008 23:17:40 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so1005878wri.15 for ; Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:17:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.31.8 with SMTP id e8mr2786016age.22.1212967059928; Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.112? ( [66.191.219.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm9209327agc.9.2008.06.08.16.17.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 21:17:58 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=avq3pqljTXDjDnpDbmeq-6Kc3ciChvpC0kaq_PMCG81FdWlTrtX1EPIkxbba9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jun 6, 2008, at 10:58 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > I want to know if there is an AM radio, today, in USA, with this > kind of programming Yes there are many small AM stations that are automated playing this type of music. The best station that be heard over a wide area is in Canada, CHWO 740. Kevin in Upstate SC From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 16:22:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97702 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2008 23:22:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2008 23:22:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.240) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2008 23:22:25 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2008 23:22:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2008 23:22:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2008 23:22:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 23:22:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.129.206.150 From: "Sotiris" Subject: List of AM STEREO receivers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=VpuH9QEOb2uW3veTBA-D5rTw-dCWgCvHd02spj2saMM X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr AM STEREO RECEIVERS Some of the receivers that are capable to decode AM CQUAM Stereo=20 broadcast are the following:=20 Carver TX11a, TX11b, Sony ST JX220A, ST JX520A, Sony SRF-A100,=20 Sherwood TD130SB, Jc Penny -Technics MCS3050,=20 Denon TU-680NAB, DENON TU-1500, Fanfare FTA100 P, TEAC T30, TEAC T60,=20 METROSOUND AMS400,=20 Kraco ETR-1084, Becker Grand Prix 754, AIWA CR-S8, AIWA HX-RX626,=20 Yamaha T420A,=20 Panasonic - Matsushita RX-FT53, Panasonic RX-DS15, Panasonic RX-ED57,=20 Panasonic RF-HS70 (the only known digital=20 PLL pocket size walkman type), Aiwa CR-DS805, Sony SRFA300, SRF- AX51V, MEDUCCI AMX-2000, Delco UX-1,=20 Sherwood CRD180, Sansui TU-D99AMX, Sansui TU-S77AMX, Sony SRF 42A,=20 Sony SRF-A1 Walkmans, SONY SRF-AX15,=20 SONY SRF-42, Realistic TM-152, JVC RC-QS11, Pioneer F-D3, Pioneer KE- 8003ZH, EUROVOX MCC-6701V,=20 SONY SRF-M100 (audio cassette size), Aiwa CSD-SR80, Aiwa CR-D60=20 and hundred other brands and models!=20 =20 A unique radio for receiving CQUAM AM STEREO is the SDR (Software=20 Defined Radio) SoDiRa DE1103DRM that is also capable to receive DRM=20 broadcasts! More information about it can be found at:=20 http://www.dsp4swls.de/sodira/sodiraeng.html =20 For more info about the available SONY portable AM STEREO models, see=20 the SONY Japan catalog:=20 http://www.ecat.sony.co.jp/search.cfm?skwd=3DAM%83X%83e%83%8C% 83I&input2.x=3D15&input2.y=3D5 =20 For Panasonic:=20 http://prodb.matsushita.co.jp/product/info.do?pg=3D04&hb=3DRX-FT53=20 =20 For Pioneer:=20 http://www3.pioneer.co.jp/product/product_info.php? product_no=3D00000126&cate_cd=3D035&option_no=3D0 =20 For DENON:=20 http://denon.jp/products/TU1500.html From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jun 08 16:37:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55845 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2008 23:37:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2008 23:37:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2008 23:37:37 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.53.97] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080608183715100603500010> for ; Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:37:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003001c8c9c0$d3e408e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:37:15 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} List of AM STEREO receivers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=FGZpAGIflkl67v2UL22T4QS361DxCf1f76WtgxzUe8XvO7oNhBBL X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The TU-1500 is mono. IIRC it does have a place on the board for the components, but they'd have to be added. Likely they've just reused the 680 circuitry so you'd need a schematic for both to pull off the conversion. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Sotiris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com AM STEREO RECEIVERS Some of the receivers that are capable to decode AM CQUAM Stereo broadcast are the following: [snip] Denon TU-680NAB, DENON TU-1500 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Jun 08 17:59:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34406 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 00:59:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 00:59:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s11.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 00:59:42 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W4 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s11.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 8 Jun 2008 17:59:42 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 00:59:42 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2008 00:59:42.0417 (UTC) FILETIME=[19D83410:01C8C9CC] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=DGX2s9stR11K4P7h9U8nL93Coy3rPCq36itBF_JK-isdNlYCbK2_jmGLk54 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin or any other CHWO listeners; is 740 CHWO totally automated or just overnight? I cannot pick them up at all, but have heard so many people speak highly of the station. I understand CHWO shows up in the Buffalo metro ratings. As far as many other stations south of the border (US/Canada), they are mostly the stations where no other format has worked and then they are cheaply automated (no local news period, no time checks, no current weather (just a taped daily weather forecast); ClearChannel has two in our area, 1450 WSDV-Sarasota and 1320 WDDV (Venice); they both broadcast the same format, with 1450 being on about a 10 second delay due to the fact they are IBOC. Up until July 2005, the immediate Tampa/St Petersburg/Clearwater area had WGUL 860 with this music format, but they threw in the towel, sold the station and it's now political/religious talk with a dose of infomercials on the weekends; no local programming except the news, which is obviously taped in the morning and replayed in the afternoon. (they do well as top of the hour weather and traffic though; have to give them credit where credit is due) This type of music that you like, is primarily liked by people over 45 or 50 years of age and in this country, national advertisers don't seem to want the over 50 year old crowd, it's not the demographic most stations are after. Most national advertisers want the 18 - 34 (or is it 25) year old listener; they are much more impressionable and liable to try and/or buy any product advertised. (with the possible exception of "Colon Cleanse" ! :), that's another story and a popular infomercial for many secular and religious stations in the United States Donn To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: thepossumhunter@gmail.comDate: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 21:17:58 -0400Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old fashion radio On Jun 6, 2008, at 10:58 PM, jotape1960 wrote:> I want to know if there is an AM radio, today, in USA, with this > kind of programmingYes there are many small AM stations that are automated playing this type of music. The best station that be heard over a wide area is in Canada, CHWO 740.Kevin in Upstate SC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Jun 08 18:08:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79996 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 01:08:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 01:08:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.163) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 01:08:21 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W47 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 8 Jun 2008 18:08:21 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 01:08:21 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2008 01:08:21.0513 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F3FF790:01C8C9CD] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} List of AM STEREO receivers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=B4w9plJPZ-kuUla3R14F5MTJTRwm948FRWxA2qCvfOd7exOSZeq4XZ0wggI X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sotiris, thanks for the comprehensive list of am stereo capable receivers and tuners and the websites as well. Donn, St. Petersburg,FL To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: pdmtr@yahoo.comDate: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 23:22:24 +0000Subject: {AMSF} List of AM STEREO receivers! AM STEREO RECEIVERSSome of the receivers that are capable to decode AM CQUAM Stereo broadcast are the following: Carver TX11a, TX11b, Sony ST JX220A, ST JX520A, Sony SRF-A100, Sherwood TD130SB, Jc Penny -Technics MCS3050, Denon TU-680NAB, DENON TU-1500, Fanfare FTA100 P, TEAC T30, TEAC T60, METROSOUND AMS400, Kraco ETR-1084, Becker Grand Prix 754, AIWA CR-S8, AIWA HX-RX626, Yamaha T420A, Panasonic - Matsushita RX-FT53, Panasonic RX-DS15, Panasonic RX-ED57, Panasonic RF-HS70 (the only known digital PLL pocket size walkman type), Aiwa CR-DS805, Sony SRFA300, SRF-AX51V, MEDUCCI AMX-2000, Delco UX-1, Sherwood CRD180, Sansui TU-D99AMX, Sansui TU-S77AMX, Sony SRF 42A, Sony SRF-A1 Walkmans, SONY SRF-AX15, SONY SRF-42, Realistic TM-152, JVC RC-QS11, Pioneer F-D3, Pioneer KE-8003ZH, EUROVOX MCC-6701V, SONY SRF-M100 (audio cassette size), Aiwa CSD-SR80, Aiwa CR-D60 and hundred other brands and models! A unique radio for receiving CQUAM AM STEREO is the SDR (Software Defined Radio) SoDiRa DE1103DRM that is also capable to receive DRM broadcasts! More information about it can be found at: http://www.dsp4swls.de/sodira/sodiraeng.htmlFor more info about the available SONY portable AM STEREO models, see the SONY Japan catalog: http://www.ecat.sony.co.jp/search.cfm?skwd=AM%83X%83e%83%8C%83I&input2.x=15&input2.y=5For Panasonic: http://prodb.matsushita.co.jp/product/info.do?pg=04&hb=RX-FT53 For Pioneer: http://www3.pioneer.co.jp/product/product_info.php?product_no=00000126&cate_cd=035&option_no=0For DENON: http://denon.jp/products/TU1500.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Jun 08 18:12:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62956 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 01:12:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 01:12:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.222) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 01:12:45 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W11 ([64.4.19.111]) by bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 8 Jun 2008 18:12:44 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 21:12:45 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2008 01:12:44.0959 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC46A2F0:01C8C9CD] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=Akaeq441akv3hVUJRGtxQtoTjHPRFgoy_lDpX2vxwrKxmbxHo2R5 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I live in the Atlanta area, and WSB, 750 totally blows 740 away. Oh well, that is my luck, in that if it weren't for bad luck, I would have no luck at all. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: thepossumhunter@gmail.comDate: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 21:17:58 -0400Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old fashion radio On Jun 6, 2008, at 10:58 PM, jotape1960 wrote:> I want to know if there is an AM radio, today, in USA, with this > kind of programmingYes there are many small AM stations that are automated playing this type of music. The best station that be heard over a wide area is in Canada, CHWO 740.Kevin in Upstate SC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 18:15:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8934 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 01:15:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 01:15:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 01:15:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6728 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jun 2008 01:15:06 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.76] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:15:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 18:15:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <469288.6644.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=eBYGU_X8M8RwEnub9nLbvkV0nSoHIDTXSQfvuqjw9S0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's because the agencies are run by arrogant unknowledgeable young assholes that haven't a clue. The young group, the very youngest is very set in their ways, and most of them NO LONGER listen to any radio. They think it's beneath them.  And the older age group is just thrown under the bus. And a lot of radio stations no longer have any staff that know how to sell a product as in "the station"  !!! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 6/8/08, Donn Tillman <florida_amstereo@hotmail.com> wrote: This type of music that you like, is primarily liked by people over 45 or 50 years of age and in this country, national advertisers don't seem to want the over 50 year old crowd, it's not the demographic most stations are after. Most national advertisers want the 18 - 34 (or is it 25) year old listener; they are much more impressionable and liable to try and/or buy any product advertised. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Jun 08 19:07:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50255 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 02:07:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 02:07:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s8.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.147) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 02:07:43 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W23 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s8.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 8 Jun 2008 19:07:43 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 02:07:43 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: <469288.6644.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <469288.6644.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2008 02:07:43.0139 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A24F730:01C8C9D5] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=qbR7cnsUqeu4n5TN7dGoketgIJdCOPTFHhW7VlIMsiVT2M3Lwu__cqkZplk X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mr. Way, You're absolutely right; those advertisers trying to reach to 18-25 crowd, don't have a clue or they would know that age group is not (as a whole) listening to radio as did previous generations and of course the radio advertising executives aren't about to tell the national advertisers that most young people are not listening to radio, when there are I-pods/MP3 Players and other ways for them to get their music/entertainment fix. Now, Is CHWO automated all the time, just at night or what? Donn, curious in St Petersburg, where getting CHWO is next to impossible. (have yet to be able to receive it, but who knows what the future may bring!) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: w4opw@yahoo.comDate: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 18:15:06 -0700Subject: RE: {AMSF} Old fashion radio That's because the agencies are run by arrogant unknowledgeable young assholes that haven't a clue. The young group, the very youngest is very set in their ways, and most of them NO LONGER listen to any radio. They think it's beneath them.  And the older age group is just thrown under the bus. And a lot of radio stations no longer have any staff that know how to sell a product as in "the station"  !!! PowellNNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net--- On Sun, 6/8/08, Donn Tillman <florida_amstereo@hotmail.com> wrote:This type of music that you like, is primarily liked by people over 45 or 50years of age and in this country, national advertisers don't seem to wantthe over 50 year old crowd, it's not the demographic most stations areafter. Most national advertisers want the 18 - 34 (or is it 25) year oldlistener; they are much more impressionable and liable to try and/or buy anyproduct advertised. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Jun 08 19:45:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13548 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 02:45:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 02:45:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.155) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 02:45:50 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W14 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 8 Jun 2008 19:45:49 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 02:45:49 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: References: <469288.6644.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2008 02:45:49.0949 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED307AD0:01C8C9DA] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=AFbtGeNgOF5wZW5lng-mMhLmhBdeS34MoIEsGIoV-AOfvllaHCp4rwT1qig X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since Mr.Way is Way too busy; I will reply to one of my own past posts! ..........I was looking at a Buffalo Radio board and CHWO has a 2.6 share in the latest spring trend; number 8 among 23 stations isn't too shabby for a foreign station that's about 90 miles from Buffalo. Donn To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: florida_amstereo@hotmail.comDate: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 02:07:43 +0000Subject: RE: {AMSF} Old fashion radio Mr. Way,You're absolutely right; those advertisers trying to reach to 18-25 crowd, don't have a clue or they would know that age group is not (as a whole) listening to radio as did previous generations and of course the radio advertising executives aren't about to tell the national advertisers that most young people are not listening to radio, when there are I-pods/MP3 Players and other ways for them to get their music/entertainment fix.Now, Is CHWO automated all the time, just at night or what?Donn,curious in St Petersburg, where getting CHWO is next to impossible. (have yet to be able to receive it, but who knows what the future may bring!)To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: w4opw@yahoo.comDate: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 18:15:06 -0700Subject: RE: {AMSF} Old fashion radioThat's because the agencies are run by arrogant unknowledgeable young assholes that haven't a clue. The young group, the very youngest is very set in their ways, and most of them NO LONGER listen to any radio. They think it's beneath them.  And the older age group is just thrown under the bus. And a lot of radio stations no longer have any staff that know how to sell a product as in "the station"  !!! PowellNNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net--- On Sun, 6/8/08, Donn Tillman <florida_amstereo@hotmail.com> wrote:This type of music that you like, is primarily liked by people over 45 or 50years of age and in this country, national advertisers don't seem to wantthe over 50 year old crowd, it's not the demographic most stations areafter. Most national advertisers want the 18 - 34 (or is it 25) year oldlistener; they are much more impressionable and liable to try and/or buy anyproduct advertised. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jun 08 22:03:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12177 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 05:03:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 05:03:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 05:03:33 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d08.37bff74e (42809) for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 01:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 01:03:29 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=p8RbaUZ1Gel0wWPDu5J-TXlqZg6qtO3hPwQS2dD_3ydHOLhWIM8pAV5Wd2RStnJF X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe a small independent station like KCJJ in Iowa City is alot more in touch with their advertisers, most of whom are local small businesses. The advertisers know the station, the audience, the salesperson, and the results. They don't rely on media buyers and "experts". By the way, an old time Top 40 station here in St. Louis has returned to its original format after almost five decades of various formats, owners, etc.. KZQZ is a 5kW full-time directional regional station on 1430 khz. Formerly, the venerable WIL, it was the first popular music station in St. Louis in the late 50s. When Todd Storz came to town and acquired KXOK, WIL couldn't compete. KXOK has a more powerful signal due to its dail position and Storz had virtually unlimited resources. It's nice to have a music AMer back on the local airwaves, but its audio quality is poor. Of course, it isn't stereo, but it sounds like a 5-transistor AM radio. I had thought that I had just gotten spoiled on modern AM radio sound and that's how AM radio sounded back then. Then I listened to some of the off-air tapes of WLS (mono) and KXOK. No, KZQZ just sounds bad. Shame, because there is alot pf potential there. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?& NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jun 08 22:06:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19183 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 05:06:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 05:06:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 05:06:36 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c35.368e27fb (42809) for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 01:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 01:06:31 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=kny0xG12z2Isgm7eth876LFBl7ukbUm1JR1hb2moLDYVmWu4Cz_tmLmidYCFmb9a X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/8/08 8:15:23 PM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > That's because the agencies are run by arrogant unknowledgeable young > assholes that haven't a clue. Come on, Powell. Quit being diplomatic and tell us what you really think of these folks. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?& NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 22:32:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39584 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 05:32:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 05:32:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.118) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 05:32:54 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2008 05:32:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2008 05:32:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2008 05:32:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 05:32:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.118 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.27.168 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: List of AM STEREO receivers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=CPILBo4RL46E-ro7gsgEJSLuse31ihl3tEy1e3-XhUUbMcdM X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > Panasonic RF-HS70 (the only known digital=20 > PLL pocket size walkman type), Aiwa CR-DS805, The Aiwa mentioned- which I have- is digital/PLL-tuned and is pocket sized. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 08 22:39:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4383 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 05:39:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 05:39:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.125) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 05:39:43 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2008 05:39:43 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2008 05:39:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2008 05:39:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 05:39:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.27.168 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=LRaILkUuO7mYrGeHiMCiwXgKAsRexBacBjJPVA0GzWthIexc X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 6/8/08 8:15:23 PM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@...=20 > writes: >=20 >=20 > > That's because the agencies are run by arrogant unknowledgeable young=20 > > assholes that haven't a clue. >=20 > Come on, Powell. Quit being diplomatic and tell us what you really think of=20 > these folks. I'll reply before Powell does... :) Marketing consultants should be burned at the stake and exiled to the Arctic...in pup tents without thermals. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 09 00:18:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39079 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 07:18:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 07:18:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.140) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 07:18:35 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2008 07:18:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2008 07:18:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2008 07:18:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 07:18:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.27.168 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=6Hvzx8NmPlUGPS1nac6caUqkZw5r0_EmcKC5GdjVLj5JfdOT X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > Marketing consultants should be burned at the stake and exiled to the > Arctic...in pup tents without thermals. :) Additionally, I'd tie 'em up to a Mack, and have them dragged from Needles, California to Lubbock, Texas. :) If any survive, I'd make them bow at the foot of Buddy Holly's statue, there. :) Am I bitter? Oh, no- Not at all! *checks eBay for marketing consultant-sized deep-fryer* Not at all! :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 09 05:58:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11754 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 12:58:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 12:58:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 12:58:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58609 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jun 2008 12:58:31 -0000 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 05:58:31 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 05:58:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <340768.58102.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: OT Post Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=kdYmiWg669ZZCjeO0mFwAu2at_BU9uvWIxIDvhkqpTA_5keC9l3SCvI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio OT question: I've seen "" "" a lot lately on posts - what is this from? I'm assuming it's some sort of 'rich text' formatting? 73's John From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jun 09 06:03:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74221 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 13:03:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 13:03:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 13:03:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63245 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jun 2008 13:03:03 -0000 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 06:03:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 06:03:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <277524.21442.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re:List of AM STEREO receivers! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=YarbZH-htcnKM1ChwHe3jiXArWcRocPuHf9ZnZtGnOUNyGQY-kEANQ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio And don't forget the superb FANFARE FTA-100P AM Stereo TUNER. PLUS- all the OEM automotive AM Stereo radios: The GM-DELCO "UX1", the CHRYSLER "RAZ", the FORD (Visteon)CD6, plus radios from JEEP, Mitsubishi, and Toyota. Plus, older tuners given AM stereo life with new AM Stereo adapter boards from Sotiris, Chris Cuff and other list members... From mtgc@hotmail.com Mon Jun 09 06:32:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79483 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 13:32:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 13:32:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s15.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.215) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 13:32:36 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W36 ([64.4.19.136]) by bay0-omc3-s15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 9 Jun 2008 06:31:49 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:31:48 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2008 13:31:49.0135 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B76E9F0:01C8CA35] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=3aSmdHVvwU1wtzbVcSWD35kll49caqTTFY_2G7zDPm8lWpeoeZyk X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit People, People, You are forgetting that most sacred mantra of consulting: "Find out what the customer wants and then give it to them"! Another way of saying letting the blind lead the blind. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: amymousie@yahoo.comDate: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 05:39:42 +0000Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old fashion radio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote:>> In a message dated 6/8/08 8:15:23 PM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@... > writes:> > > > That's because the agencies are run by arrogant unknowledgeable young > > assholes that haven't a clue.> > Come on, Powell. Quit being diplomatic and tell us what you reallythink of > these folks.I'll reply before Powell does... :)Marketing consultants should be burned at the stake and exiled to theArctic...in pup tents without thermals. :)Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 09 06:40:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29935 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 13:39:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 13:39:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.134) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 13:39:59 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n7.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2008 13:39:59 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2008 13:39:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2008 13:39:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:39:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <340768.58102.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.27.168 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: OT Post Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=fWOZOJvX-jw9Aq4CgCWHZkk19boLDPinKw1izEIyet-n5L8p X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > OT question: I've seen "" "" a lot lately on posts - what is this from? I'm assuming it's some sort of 'rich text' formatting? With a ; following it, it's an HTML tag representing a non-blank space. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 09 06:45:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69277 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 13:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 13:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 13:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2008 13:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2008 13:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2008 13:45:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:45:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.27.168 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=o-wcW7x4K81pBw7ImATplZmH8du7_qBVSi9pxkMlS8rsNCh1 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > >=20 > People, People, >=20=20 > You are forgetting that most sacred mantra of consulting: "Find out what the customer wants > and then give it to them"! >=20=20 > Another way of saying letting the blind lead the blind. Yes- Based on national averages and "research", RARELY ever taking into consideration local conditions and trends, much less the need to fill in various niches. ...Like here in the Humboldt Bay area, the most successful station locally is the Jones Network oldies station... But oldies, supposedly, don't sell! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jun 09 07:00:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59909 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 14:00:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 14:00:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.109) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 14:00:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2008 14:00:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2008 14:00:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2008 14:00:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:00:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.6 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=cNCPHImCCjm7BPuQhdlvbStwZ1t2n8d3aq3gdHTIaSgr4_xr1g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Thank you so much for all your comments!!! I can see that, basically, USA has the same problem that we have here:=20 a few stupid young people office workers deciding the nation destiny,=20 hahahahaha!!! Well, let's the boat sinks, hahahaha!!! LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM RADIO!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jun 09 07:01:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58842 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 14:01:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 14:01:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 14:01:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12815 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jun 2008 14:01:36 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.15] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 07:01:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 07:01:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <10087.11138.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=JrjBhTaO4JUPckPmnA9DzKaacziCCHv4WNzq7vyRP74 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- On Mon, 6/9/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > That's because the agencies are run by arrogant > unknowledgeable young > > assholes that haven't a clue. > > Come on, Powell. Quit being diplomatic and tell us what > you really think of these folks. Well I think they are and smart as They think they are smarter than everyone and know absolutely nothing about their business. How's that? Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jun 09 07:06:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85485 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 14:06:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 14:06:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 14:06:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26694 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jun 2008 14:06:04 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.15] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 07:06:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 07:06:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <541468.26441.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=QvLC5aSbAFFJfPTSoArPZz_SZeUS-W5F5RubQ8YKANo X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 6/9/08, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > People, People, > > You are forgetting that most sacred mantra of consulting: > "Find out what the customer wants and then give it to them"! But often it's them doing what they think it ought to be and not even what they think a few people want. And they don't care. They are isolated from the real world. Powell From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jun 09 09:13:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18203 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 16:13:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 16:13:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 16:13:20 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d20.2e3bd1b9 (65099) for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:13:10 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=hh0MWMG9O4b_Rnv3i9jKOeU-q7gnMdzrIlZDJl8IQW6EJ77pQra1GT9ZbUGSzl0Z X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/9/08 2:38:35 AM Central Daylight Time, amymousie@yahoo.com writes: > Marketing consultants should be ...exiled to the > Arctic...in pup tents without thermals. :) You should team up with Exxon-Mobil. Seems you both want to pollute America's last wilderness. Exxon with crude oil and you with (questionably) human excrement. Mike ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?& NCID=aolfod00030000000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Jun 09 10:04:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59739 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 17:04:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 17:04:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.183) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 17:04:19 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u52so810489pyb.13 for ; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:04:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.56.4 with SMTP id e4mr3666735waa.0.1213031058465; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.22.105? ( [206.74.253.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm2506ywd.2.2008.06.09.10.04.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 13:04:10 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=kZ_kQYNbUZdrQgqNPx8RRftJdqUe8RKuQgXWJNWfpEuZex6W-V4iqnAtknWq9w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jun 8, 2008, at 8:59 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Kevin or any other CHWO listeners; is 740 CHWO totally automated or > just overnight? CHWO is Live N Local 18 Hours a day. The "AM 740 Jukebox" only runs overnight. Kevin in Upstate SC From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Jun 09 10:44:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85142 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 17:44:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 17:44:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s5.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.205) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 17:44:31 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.18]) by bay0-omc3-s5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:44:31 -0700 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:44:30 -0700 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.111 by BLU108-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:44:22 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:44:21 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2008 17:44:30.0867 (UTC) FILETIME=[788F9E30:01C8CA58] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=-ZDcgHBilXRLBhU39VVXFaUWagN3GSSs6J_78Km-1uGNLMH3_ggSQJG6Qt8 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Kevin, in upstate SC; maybe one of these days I will travel far enough north to receive CHWO! Donn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Jun 09 10:53:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21907 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 17:53:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 17:53:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.225) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 17:53:34 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f6so2268116rvb.53 for ; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:53:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.171.6 with SMTP id y6mr2343298rvo.85.1213034014660; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.22.105? ( [206.74.253.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm10560035ywp.3.2008.06.09.10.53.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <53213086-6C53-461A-9ABB-656A2EE890FF@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 13:53:28 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=LFJZWRGxZTZVeWv26CPwBDMgG5dZSq5ECPNItZqj8fI0QtvC9d7Q5SQ_K5mPsw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jun 9, 2008, at 1:44 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > Thanks, Kevin, in upstate SC; maybe one of these days I will travel > far enough north to receive CHWO! I can't hear it here in South Carolina any more due to QRM from a Talker that popped up on 740, but when I was in Northern MO this Winter, it sounded like a local as soon as the Sun set. Kevin in Upstate SC From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jun 09 11:03:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78600 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 18:03:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 18:03:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 18:03:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44082 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jun 2008 18:03:07 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:03:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 11:03:07 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <53213086-6C53-461A-9ABB-656A2EE890FF@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <523197.43814.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: CHWO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=JRSZUQWXAEEHYIt73fx1o9CBMPPfbkZ6AULapyvgvsA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 6/9/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > > I can't hear it here in South Carolina any more due to > QRM from a > Talker that popped up on 740, but when I was in Northern MO > this > Winter, it sounded like a local as soon as the Sun set. What talker? WHERE? I hear CHWO sporadically. Sometimes I will hear Tulsa. Powell From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Jun 09 11:14:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87921 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2008 18:14:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2008 18:14:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.243) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2008 18:14:12 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so2890224rvb.18 for ; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:14:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.1 with SMTP id v1mr2371480rvp.73.1213035252220; Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.22.105? ( [206.74.253.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm10590545ywp.3.2008.06.09.11.14.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4467D944-7AAD-447D-963A-89F91CD1A9ED@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <523197.43814.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 14:14:06 -0400 References: <523197.43814.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} CHWO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=SqX7ZsGgGrLQJebPq56o0GgTQePCaHGkVzhM3E3IpdVY5LKfNe5Fc-YOnLbxIA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jun 9, 2008, at 2:03 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > What talker? WHERE? I hear CHWO sporadically. Sometimes I will hear > Tulsa. I get KRMG pretty solid here in Greenville County with a little CHWO in the background and noise sometimes. I really do miss listening to CHWO all of the time. When they first flipped to 740, they sounded good in SC till KRMG blew 'em out. Kevin in Upstate SC From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 07:56:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41626 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2008 14:56:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2008 14:56:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2008 14:56:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34459 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jun 2008 14:56:23 -0000 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:56:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:56:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <750179.34429.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CHWO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Mg1NKyLL7iueblDa-VSHBVdb_CfHKKqC_9azdTyMjyNP_TbLUmxNZXM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio It was amazing to think that the CBC 'gave-up' their smoker on 740 for the FM world, when they could have so much more coverage on AM. From jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 10 11:39:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95663@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49879 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2008 18:39:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2008 18:39:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.56) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2008 18:39:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2008 18:39:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2008 18:39:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:39:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <750179.34429.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.53.190 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: CHWO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=171748543; y=qWaK66VVmoSaWSR9HMoxdnP-Wpsqf8KeOBevlLrDdvtOEu1ZjFNyB2Uf1Bk_fMBSiNuHKP6e X-Yahoo-Profile: jim95663 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > It was amazing to think that the CBC 'gave-up' their smoker on 740=20 for the FM world, when they could have so much more coverage on AM. > Hi Porely made AM radios. Jim S From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 12:55:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39883 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2008 19:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2008 19:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.177) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2008 19:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2008 19:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2008 19:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2008 19:55:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:55:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <750179.34429.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.9.55 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: CHWO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=bigKwJ_-QJBbt8Yp4i0-2QbcmG0gPYosYTSg1oXFQ9q22qzO X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > It was amazing to think that the CBC 'gave-up' their smoker on 740 for the FM world, when they could have so much more coverage on AM. To put it in perspective, Vancouver, BC's CBC 1 on 690 still kicks in strongly, enough that I can receive it (weakly) in the daytime, here in coastal northwestern California... :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Jun 11 10:33:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89433 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2008 17:33:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2008 17:33:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2008 17:33:01 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a73so2189719pye.2 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:33:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.115.92.2 with SMTP id u2mr170790wal.33.1213205576092; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.22.110? ( [206.74.253.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h9sm257833wxd.30.2008.06.11.10.32.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <750179.34429.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:02:30 -0400 References: <750179.34429.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CHWO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=wv_7aufulBi-NLQfyq46r4bw9VKIiIX0XM7qbA4mdxuHkyJcbzD8l9rBk_HS-g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jun 10, 2008, at 10:56 AM, John P. wrote: > It was amazing to think that the CBC 'gave-up' their smoker on 740 > for the FM world, when they could have so much more coverage on AM. They wanted the Higher Fidelity and Stereo of FM in the city. Yes, CQUAM does sound better than FM Stereo, but only on a GOOD radio most people don't have. For Rural coverage, CBC has the Northern Service on Shortwave that you can hear in most of North America. Besides, CHWO is more interesting to listen to. Kevin in Upstate SC From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Jun 11 18:14:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99221 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2008 01:14:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2008 01:14:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2008 01:14:16 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.37] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080611201355101381400010> for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:13:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00ee01c8cc29$d6feb000$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:13:55 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=QUku34piy7iAqGYoDYzOxTIKXFA7Do1KwoiSAx2hEV8UP8p-Bg_7 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree. They'll likely whine that nobody wants to listen to music on AM anymore. Call me crazy, but I have a philosophy that says other than the unavoidable compression needed to overcome man made and natural noise, do all you can to keep the audio squeaky clean, and I mean public radio clean, before transmitting. The signal will have to deal with enough crap between the tower and where it's received, not to mention the lousy receivers themselves. You're a bit of a techie, Mike. Why don't you offer to help them clean up their air sound? If I were closer I'd offer myself. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com It's nice to have a music AMer back on the local airwaves, but its audio quality is poor. Of course, it isn't stereo, but it sounds like a 5-transistor AM radio. I had thought that I had just gotten spoiled on modern AM radio sound and that's how AM radio sounded back then. Then I listened to some of the off-air tapes of WLS (mono) and KXOK. No, KZQZ just sounds bad. Shame, because there is alot pf potential there. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Wed Jun 11 18:20:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42043 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2008 01:20:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2008 01:20:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.183) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2008 01:20:27 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2008 01:20:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2008 01:20:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2008 01:20:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:20:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.58.25 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: CHWO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=ODmA8MnKZt6e9RX5WzK9PK8AeBKVopqBccIw-8CXaJugwARwYAoL X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 CBC Radio One broadcasts its programs in mono... even on FM. And continuous music... is more interesting than what engages the mind.=20 ... hmmm... This said from a guy who works at a station which plays Adult Standards for a format. Bob... at WSTJ. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter wrote: > >=20 > On Jun 10, 2008, at 10:56 AM, John P. wrote: >=20 > > It was amazing to think that the CBC 'gave-up' their smoker on 740=20=20 > > for the FM world, when they could have so much more coverage on AM. >=20 > They wanted the Higher Fidelity and Stereo of FM in the city. Yes,=20=20 > CQUAM does sound better than FM Stereo, but only on a GOOD radio most = =20 > people don't have. For Rural coverage, CBC has the Northern Service on = =20 > Shortwave that you can hear in most of North America. Besides, CHWO is = =20 > more interesting to listen to. >=20 > Kevin in Upstate SC > From ke7ief@aol.com Wed Jun 11 19:22:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19297 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2008 02:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2008 02:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2008 02:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bd5.310062e3 (34969) for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:22:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from HankSmithPC (168-103-155-224.tukw.qwest.net [168.103.155.224]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA076-88994850884f8; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:22:08 -0400 Message-ID: <12B10EC5B4B640C68FBF84B5E64BD4AB@HankSmithPC> To: References: <00ee01c8cc29$d6feb000$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <00ee01c8cc29$d6feb000$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:22:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-AOL-IP: 168.103.155.224 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old fashion radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=K___IWgo5bMZiKd7l1Mi12SQ6KyNgIZj8Pu39er5IUq6lJpWcMv- X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what format do they play mike? ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 6:13 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Old fashion radio I agree. They'll likely whine that nobody wants to listen to music on AM anymore. Call me crazy, but I have a philosophy that says other than the unavoidable compression needed to overcome man made and natural noise, do all you can to keep the audio squeaky clean, and I mean public radio clean, before transmitting. The signal will have to deal with enough crap between the tower and where it's received, not to mention the lousy receivers themselves. You're a bit of a techie, Mike. Why don't you offer to help them clean up their air sound? If I were closer I'd offer myself. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com It's nice to have a music AMer back on the local airwaves, but its audio quality is poor. Of course, it isn't stereo, but it sounds like a 5-transistor AM radio. I had thought that I had just gotten spoiled on modern AM radio sound and that's how AM radio sounded back then. Then I listened to some of the off-air tapes of WLS (mono) and KXOK. No, KZQZ just sounds bad. Shame, because there is alot pf potential there. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Thu Jun 12 05:23:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61621 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2008 12:23:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2008 12:23:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms042pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.42) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2008 12:23:48 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([71.100.78.12]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K2C00GUONRASI63@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:23:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:23:34 -0400 To: Message-id: <002501c8cc87$222db050$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00e701c899d9$59297020$d503fea9@stodd> <005c01c89a10$6c6965a0$6601a8c0@homeb29194fc77> <00a401c89aa4$a7ace8a0$d503fea9@stodd> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Windows XP SP3 & Norton Incompatible X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=KgjqnF6uzloo9fvSQ6T3UKlN_TXxh-Js0nfYVbPMgC-A8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know if the incompatibility issue between Norton & (XP) SP3 was resolved? Thanks, Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:19 PM Subject: {AMSF} Windows XP SP3 & Norton Incompatible I presently run Windows XP Pro and downloaded the SP3 update and installed it. Once the update was installed, my Norton SystemWorks and Anti-virus both had error messages to the effect that they needed to be uninstalled and re-installed.I contacted Norton and they tell me that Norton SystemWorks is presently incompatible with SP3.I used Norton Go-Back to remove SP3, and then Norton was OK.Norton tells me that they are working on the incompability and it should be resolved in around 10 or so days.Just thought all forum members should be aware of this problem. If you have any questions, please contact Norton.MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Jun 12 07:50:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53943 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2008 14:50:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2008 14:50:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.228) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2008 14:50:43 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W39 ([64.4.19.139]) by bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:49:48 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:49:48 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002501c8cc87$222db050$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> References: <00e701c899d9$59297020$d503fea9@stodd> <005c01c89a10$6c6965a0$6601a8c0@homeb29194fc77> <00a401c89aa4$a7ace8a0$d503fea9@stodd> <002501c8cc87$222db050$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2008 14:49:48.0837 (UTC) FILETIME=[90060550:01C8CC9B] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Windows XP SP3 & Norton Incompatible X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=bWs8vDtFOA30WyUlLKjBlZGAvx5GdBYoQacx4lKwGL_SNYVC5xZa X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Go here for the answer to your questions. http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/sharedtech.nsf/docid/2008053104562413?OpenDocument&lg=en&ct=us&seg=hho&src=hot MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: dwtpa97@verizon.netDate: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:23:34 -0400Subject: Re: {AMSF} Windows XP SP3 & Norton Incompatible Does anyone know if the incompatibility issue between Norton & (XP) SP3 was resolved?Thanks,Dick W.----- Original Message ----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:19 PMSubject: {AMSF} Windows XP SP3 & Norton IncompatibleI presently run Windows XP Pro and downloaded the SP3 update and installed it. Once the update was installed, my Norton SystemWorks and Anti-virus both had error messages to the effect that they needed to be uninstalled and re-installed.I contacted Norton and they tell me that Norton SystemWorks is presently incompatible with SP3.I used Norton Go-Back to remove SP3, and then Norton was OK.Norton tells me that they are working on the incompability and it should be resolved in around 10 or so days.Just thought all forum members should be aware of this problem. If you have any questions, please contact Norton.MTGC (Michael)[Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Thu Jun 12 14:01:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49513 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2008 21:01:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2008 21:01:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms046pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.46) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2008 21:01:23 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([71.100.78.12]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K2D00KJ7BPZEUUA@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:01:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:01:11 -0400 To: Message-id: <001601c8cccf$71d2dc00$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00e701c899d9$59297020$d503fea9@stodd> <005c01c89a10$6c6965a0$6601a8c0@homeb29194fc77> <00a401c89aa4$a7ace8a0$d503fea9@stodd> <002501c8cc87$222db050$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Windows XP SP3 & Norton Incompatible X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=zajuYHqz3CeDxqnsTDsvJiZIl1eskCFl9SMjt4Qs5zGgGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks very much, Michael! Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Windows XP SP3 & Norton Incompatible Go here for the answer to your questions. http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/sharedtech.nsf/docid/2008053104562413?OpenDocument&lg=en&ct=us&seg=hho&src=hot MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: dwtpa97@verizon.netDate: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:23:34 -0400Subject: Re: {AMSF} Windows XP SP3 & Norton Incompatible Does anyone know if the incompatibility issue between Norton & (XP) SP3 was resolved?Thanks,Dick W.----- Original Message ----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:19 PMSubject: {AMSF} Windows XP SP3 & Norton IncompatibleI presently run Windows XP Pro and downloaded the SP3 update and installed it. Once the update was installed, my Norton SystemWorks and Anti-virus both had error messages to the effect that they needed to be uninstalled and re-installed.I contacted Norton and they tell me that Norton SystemWorks is presently incompatible with SP3.I used Norton Go-Back to remove SP3, and then Norton was OK.Norton tells me that they are working on the incompability and it should be resolved in around 10 or so days.Just thought all forum members should be aware of this problem. If you have any questions, please contact Norton.MTGC (Michael)[Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Jun 12 14:26:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94826 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2008 21:25:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2008 21:25:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.222) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2008 21:25:59 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W1 ([64.4.19.101]) by bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:25:12 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:25:12 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001601c8cccf$71d2dc00$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> References: <00e701c899d9$59297020$d503fea9@stodd> <005c01c89a10$6c6965a0$6601a8c0@homeb29194fc77> <00a401c89aa4$a7ace8a0$d503fea9@stodd> <002501c8cc87$222db050$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> <001601c8cccf$71d2dc00$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2008 21:25:12.0725 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC900C50:01C8CCD2] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: URGENT!! Windows XP SP3 & Norton STILL Incompatible! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=QTXPrr18gNDYkTzrl4UgOcko0jR-lJxpz6K8yXriU7ftCTx70me6 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 I uploaded the SP3 updates, and still am having problems with Norton System= works. I followed all the suggestions in the site below and still had the problems. I have used Norton Go-Back t= o get my machine back in order. I am going to contact Norton and ask them WDF!! MTGC (Michael) ________________________________ To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: dwtpa97@verizon.net Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:01:11 -0400 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Windows XP SP3 & Norton Incompatible Thanks very much, Michael! Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Windows XP SP3 & Norton Incompatible Go here for the answer to your questions. http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/sharedtech.nsf/docid/2008053104562413?= OpenDocument&lg=3Den&ct=3Dus&seg=3Dhho&src=3Dhot MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: dwtpa97@verizon.netDate: Thu, 12 Jun= 2008 08:23:34 -0400Subject: Re: {AMSF} Windows XP SP3 & Norton Incompatibl= e Does anyone know if the incompatibility issue between Norton & (XP) SP3 was= resolved?Thanks,Dick W.----- Original Message ----- From: MTGC CONSULTING = MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20= , 2008 5:19 PMSubject: {AMSF} Windows XP SP3 & Norton IncompatibleI present= ly run Windows XP Pro and downloaded the SP3 update and installed it. Once = the update was installed, my Norton SystemWorks and Anti-virus both had err= or messages to the effect that they needed to be uninstalled and re-install= ed.I contacted Norton and they tell me that Norton SystemWorks is presently= incompatible with SP3.I used Norton Go-Back to remove SP3, and then Norton= was OK.Norton tells me that they are working on the incompability and it s= hould be resolved in around 10 or so days.Just thought all forum members sh= ould be aware of this problem. If you have any questions, please contact No= rton.MTGC (Michael)[Non-text portions of this message have been removed][No= n-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Jun 13 05:15:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68215 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2008 12:15:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2008 12:15:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms044pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.44) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2008 12:15:13 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([71.100.78.12]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K2E00CMVI0WN100@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 07:14:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:14:57 -0400 To: Message-id: <0BC162B3178942349E5950A4C150C2EA@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00e701c899d9$59297020$d503fea9@stodd> <005c01c89a10$6c6965a0$6601a8c0@homeb29194fc77> <00a401c89aa4$a7ace8a0$d503fea9@stodd> <002501c8cc87$222db050$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> <001601c8cccf$71d2dc00$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} URGENT!! Windows XP SP3 & Norton STILL Incompatible! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=Yy4feHfbRFPMrKLGB06CQ4CbYNMksyDGWXvoqXyghRfS-g X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Based on your previous email (before you sent the second one), I followed the instructions at the website you suggested. So far, I have not discovered any problems. I'll keep my fingers crossed! Thanks again, Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: {AMSF} URGENT!! Windows XP SP3 & Norton STILL Incompatible! I uploaded the SP3 updates, and still am having problems with Norton Systemworks. I followed all the suggestions in the site below and still had the problems. I have used Norton Go-Back to get my machine back in order. I am going to contact Norton and ask them WDF!! MTGC (Michael) ________________________________ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Jun 13 06:28:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17413 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2008 13:28:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2008 13:28:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s40.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.240) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2008 13:28:53 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W9 ([64.4.19.109]) by bay0-omc3-s40.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:27:17 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:27:17 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0BC162B3178942349E5950A4C150C2EA@your4dacd0ea75> References: <00e701c899d9$59297020$d503fea9@stodd> <005c01c89a10$6c6965a0$6601a8c0@homeb29194fc77> <00a401c89aa4$a7ace8a0$d503fea9@stodd> <002501c8cc87$222db050$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> <001601c8cccf$71d2dc00$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> <0BC162B3178942349E5950A4C150C2EA@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2008 13:27:17.0809 (UTC) FILETIME=[3364DA10:01C8CD59] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} URGENT!! Windows XP SP3 & Norton STILL Incompatible! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=V6BZaurjnW-eNxi5NHQNWk0ZvUeEQccGXWdj2cInhcEnvVu5XOcE X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is good. I am still in contact with Norton and we will see what comes out this time. It may be that my system has other problems that cause this outcome. I will let this forum know everything I find out about this problem. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: dwtpa97@verizon.netDate: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:14:57 -0400Subject: Re: {AMSF} URGENT!! Windows XP SP3 & Norton STILL Incompatible! Based on your previous email (before you sent the second one), I followed the instructions at the website you suggested. So far, I have not discovered any problems. I'll keep my fingers crossed!Thanks again,Dick W.----- Original Message ----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 5:25 PMSubject: {AMSF} URGENT!! Windows XP SP3 & Norton STILL Incompatible!I uploaded the SP3 updates, and still am having problems with Norton Systemworks. I followed all the suggestionsin the site below and still had the problems. I have used Norton Go-Back to get my machine back in order.I am going to contact Norton and ask them WDF!!MTGC (Michael)________________________________. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 02:32:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4225 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2008 09:32:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2008 09:32:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2008 09:32:30 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2008 09:32:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2008 09:32:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2008 09:32:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:32:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.113 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} URGENT!! Windows XP SP3 & Norton STILL Incompatible! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=kExjRh8nBxWwcpLhxaDfSRVu-k4-rrAbbl67lv4B4nIQZXWcRQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > >=20 > That is good. I am still in contact with Norton and we will see=20 what comes out > this time. It may be that my system has other problems that cause=20 this outcome. >=20=20 > I will let this forum know everything I find out about this=20 problem. >=20=20 > MTGC (Michael) >=20 >=20 It isn't my bussiness but I suggest to change your=20 antivirus/antihacker/antispy/antispam software by McAfee Internet=20 Security Suite 2008. It is 100% compatible with Windows XP SP3 and=20 Vista Ultimate. Just and idea. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Jun 14 17:55:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11523 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2008 00:54:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2008 00:54:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.154) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2008 00:54:59 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so2491220ywm.46 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:54:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.229.16 with SMTP id b16mr7577906ybh.131.1213491299164; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.68? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y45sm7676545pyg.9.2008.06.14.17.54.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4E1F924F-C628-41C4-A109-DAC6D81AF163@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:22:08 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} URGENT!! Windows XP SP3 & Norton STILL Incompatible! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=jt_HLl_Ds5lGdLvunMvAx_pDWp4YHfzXEeA2fhSoDQ8OCIuEXRu165VernOOcw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 It is interesting to note that through all of my software upgrades from OSX 10.3.2 to OSX 10.5.3, I have not had one single Software compatibility issue. With each upgrade my software only works BETTER, and I don't have to worry about Viruses. That is why I love my Mac :-) Kevin in Upstate South Carolina From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 07:37:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14962 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2008 14:37:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2008 14:37:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n33a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.214) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2008 14:37:07 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2008 14:37:07 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2008 14:37:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2008 14:37:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:37:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4E1F924F-C628-41C4-A109-DAC6D81AF163@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.30.42 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} URGENT!! Windows XP SP3 & Norton STILL Incompatible! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=ESSLP7InI2fP-nyR6Jgbua8cC7xvi9nqHAgMD--7u_lFZOh1 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter wrote: > > It is interesting to note that through all of my software upgrades=20=20 > from OSX 10.3.2 to OSX 10.5.3, I have not had one single Software=20=20 > compatibility issue. With each upgrade my software only works BETTER, = =20 > and I don't have to worry about Viruses. >=20 > That is why I love my Mac :-) I'll agree about the Mac, being a Mac mousie, myself (and having switched from PC to Mac a year and a half ago), but there are indeed Mac viruses, even Java viruses. I use ClamXav on my G4 iMac (10.4.11 - I'm cheap :) ), which is just as free as AVG Free Edition for Windows (which I HIGHLY recommend over Norton or McAfee). Now... Back to (what's left of) AM stereo.... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 09:35:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26706 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2008 16:35:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2008 16:35:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2008 16:35:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96156 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2008 16:35:39 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.16] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:35:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:35:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4E1F924F-C628-41C4-A109-DAC6D81AF163@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <746589.96131.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} URGENT!! Windows XP SP3 & Norton STILL Incompatible! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=po7ZQ5e3wU_QeiiXLqi2i2-Ma4heULYIzceBqz45qzM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's a lot of Mac software now that won't run on anything less than the last OS version. I have 10.3.9 and a lot of new stuff won't.  As for viruses, don't gloat. There ARE folks now writing viruses and stuff for Mac because it has become more popular. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 6/14/08, Possum Hunter <thepossumhunter@gmail.com> wrote: From: Possum Hunter <thepossumhunter@gmail.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} URGENT!! Windows XP SP3 & Norton STILL Incompatible! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 11:22 AM It is interesting to note that through all of my software upgrades from OSX 10.3.2 to OSX 10.5.3, I have not had one single Software compatibility issue. With each upgrade my software only works BETTER, and I don't have to worry about Viruses. That is why I love my Mac :-) Kevin in Upstate South Carolina ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/join (Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Jun 15 11:09:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54455 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2008 18:08:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2008 18:08:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.232) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2008 18:08:58 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W34 ([64.4.19.134]) by bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:06:41 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:06:42 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <746589.96131.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4E1F924F-C628-41C4-A109-DAC6D81AF163@gmail.com> <746589.96131.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2008 18:06:41.0888 (UTC) FILETIME=[9063CE00:01C8CF12] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} URGENT!! Windows XP SP3 & Norton STILL Incompatible! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=mDgd41TG2vQXQIBZCJrorc7PBUPxDFymsyWBp34iE0UZvUq2k64v X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, can you imagine what is going to happen when Apple gets over a 5% share of the market? Wink Wink Nudge Nudge MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: w4opw@yahoo.comDate: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:35:39 -0700Subject: Re: {AMSF} URGENT!! Windows XP SP3 & Norton STILL Incompatible! There's a lot of Mac software now that won't run on anything less than the last OS version. I have 10.3.9 and a lot of new stuff won't.  As for viruses, don't gloat. There ARE folks now writing viruses and stuff for Mac because it has become more popular. PowellNNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net--- On Sat, 6/14/08, Possum Hunter <thepossumhunter@gmail.com> wrote:From: Possum Hunter <thepossumhunter@gmail.com>Subject: Re: {AMSF} URGENT!! Windows XP SP3 & Norton STILL Incompatible!To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comDate: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 11:22 AMIt is interesting to note that through all of my software upgrades from OSX 10.3.2 to OSX 10.5.3, I have not had one single Software compatibility issue. With each upgrade my software only works BETTER, and I don't have to worry about Viruses.That is why I love my Mac :-)Kevin in Upstate South Carolina------------------------------------Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/<*> Your email settings:Individual Email | Traditional<*> To change settings online go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/join(Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 14:38:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43655 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2008 21:38:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2008 21:38:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2008 21:38:08 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2008 21:38:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2008 21:38:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2008 21:38:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:38:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <746589.96131.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.30.42 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} URGENT!! Windows XP SP3 & Norton STILL Incompatible! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=uZXYlaedMmSlFmgphgVvEhCSaok17uqHW9qynF9YnUhizDrH X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > > There's a lot of Mac software now that won't run on anything less than the last OS version. I have 10.3.9 and a lot of new stuff won't.  As for viruses, don't gloat. There ARE folks now writing viruses and stuff for Mac because it has become more popular.=20 Alot of this is due to the fact that the newer Intel-based Macs didn't exist until 10.3.8, with the Universal Binary introduced with 10.3.9. (All new Macs are Intel-based-- Apple transitioned from Motorola to Intel in 2005-2006. My iMac is a Motorola PowerPC G4 processor, built in '01, which, yes, I'm quite happy with. :) ) But yeah- Anything that can be written in C, Java or Javascript is STILL a problem in the Mac world-- with Java & Javascript, not to mention Flash actionscript, perl and XHTML, being all cross-platform, the Mac is still just as vulverable. The plus is that at least OSX is much more stable, and has fewer core vulnerabilities which would cause instabilities. (Those who remember Macs from the '80s and '90s-- OSX is VERY different, and ALOT more powerful than it has ever been, and does continue getting better. The core OS of OSX is based on BSD Unix.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 14:42:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52943 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2008 21:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2008 21:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.147) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2008 21:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2008 21:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2008 21:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2008 21:42:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:42:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.30.42 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} URGENT!! Windows XP SP3 & Norton STILL Incompatible! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=x7ZIP_wB6N_tCx2hjj96KbnW4Xx6jq1dTzkvlO2hIGkwM9iW X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > >=20 > Yes, can you imagine what is going to happen when Apple gets over a 5% share of the market? Would 8-12% impress you? (Yes, that's where it's at, now.) One thing I can imagine right now is that at least there are no email incompatibility issues, unlike whateverthehellyouremailclientis... :) (And I know it isn't Outlook/Outlook Express...) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Jun 15 15:14:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86959 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2008 22:14:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2008 22:14:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.154) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2008 22:14:01 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so2836208ywm.14 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:14:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.150.13 with SMTP id c13mr4915833ybo.217.1213568040752; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.74? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n80sm10739125pyh.30.2008.06.15.15.13.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:13:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:13:54 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} URGENT!! Windows XP SP3 & Norton STILL Incompatible! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=3GYjS_QhYalY8S-lzMF9mwq8it87_PBmkpfKIbcaiHxmfqCBS5XrriLpbqeU1w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jun 15, 2008, at 5:42 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > Would 8-12% impress you? It should when you think about it. Every electronics store sells Windows Computers, and almost all new computers come with Windows from the factory, but there is ONLY one brand of computer you can buy that comes with Mac OSX and only 3 places to buy 'em: The Apple Store, The iStore, and now Best Buy. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Jun 15 15:21:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47253 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2008 22:21:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2008 22:21:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2008 22:21:26 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so3010078ywa.82 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:21:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.198.20 with SMTP id v20mr9482195ybf.151.1213568485898; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.74? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f79sm10746121pyh.35.2008.06.15.15.21.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <746589.96131.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:21:22 -0400 References: <746589.96131.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} URGENT!! Windows XP SP3 & Norton STILL Incompatible! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=VPLvzC5iAEHU-pRucQNIt3KG64GzFA7ZvyyxMpOaARc2DBUvPXkNicDOzNpPQA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jun 15, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > There's a lot of Mac software now that won't run on anything less > than the last OS version Yes, but my new mac runs the older software just fine. I can run almost any software written for Mac as old as OSX 10.1.x with my OSX Leopard 10.5.3. You can even run the old OS9 stuff in Mac Classic. Try THAT with Vista! Kevin in Upstate SC on a MacBook Core Duo From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Jun 15 15:28:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60779 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2008 22:28:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2008 22:28:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.213) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2008 22:28:34 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W26 ([64.4.19.126]) by bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:28:27 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:28:27 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2008 22:28:27.0851 (UTC) FILETIME=[21DF91B0:01C8CF37] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} URGENT!! Windows XP SP3 & Norton STILL Incompatible! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=I0oUolSV8W-wymjgdVh9VVwLRDd1ttv-ojvV4qAYZbarEGqj4pZL X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, if you subtract all the Apple's given away by Mr. Jobes to schools and other institutions, you have about 7%, tops. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: amymousie@yahoo.comDate: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:42:54 +0000Subject: Re: {AMSF} URGENT!! Windows XP SP3 & Norton STILL Incompatible! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON -CEO wrote:>> > Yes, can you imagine what is going to happen when Apple gets over a5% share of the market?Would 8-12% impress you? (Yes, that's where it's at, now.) One thing Ican imagine right now is that at least there are no emailincompatibility issues, unlike whateverthehellyouremailclientis... :)(And I know it isn't Outlook/Outlook Express...)Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 19:01:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52897 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2008 02:01:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2008 02:01:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.147) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2008 02:01:28 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 02:01:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 02:01:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 02:01:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:01:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.30.42 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} URGENT!! Windows XP SP3 & Norton STILL Incompatible! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Ei0GQ6NZ54ScVnXNhC2_MOVD58rGK6A2vbcqOK5EMa2v81Jp X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter wrote: > >=20 > On Jun 15, 2008, at 5:42 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: >=20 > > Would 8-12% impress you? >=20 > It should when you think about it. Every electronics store sells=20=20 > Windows Computers, and almost all new computers come with Windows from = =20 > the factory, but there is ONLY one brand of computer you can buy that = =20 > comes with Mac OSX and only 3 places to buy 'em: The Apple Store, The = =20 > iStore, and now Best Buy. Keeping in mind that's a BIGGER slice of the pie than just the largest Windows PC maker- Dell... (And I curse Dell 10,000 different ways for all the hell they put me through before I went Mac!) Sales have grown significantly since the iPod (and now the iPhone) have become popular... And Microsoft's fiascos- ie: Vista- have not been any hinderance. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 19:27:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89469 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2008 02:27:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2008 02:27:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2008 02:27:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42181 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2008 02:27:15 -0000 X-Received: from [72.241.177.103] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:27:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:27:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <122357.40687.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Father's Day - CFCO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=LoiHQ2V_irD-39sgkV8GfeUEJd8-XXwJAsQD6UL9evRa_UNkrA-8-n8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Happy Father's Day greetings to all the Dad's out there - and the radio Dads too. Any of the Detroit-area people notice that CFCO is in mono today? Wonder if the recent storms did a number on their transmitter? John From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 19:50:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9099 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2008 02:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2008 02:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.211) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2008 02:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 02:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 02:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 02:50:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:50:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.27 From: "jotape1960" Subject: An AM life belt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=cJK_jID26sIrCQyNq4NRdFjcFyiuFn-vCUp2EeIuU5E8Vz9nuw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! 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From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Jun 15 20:20:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5270 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2008 03:20:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2008 03:20:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2008 03:20:01 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d3c.2370fcc5 (37086) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 23:19:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from HankSmithPC (168-103-155-224.tukw.qwest.net [168.103.155.224]) by cia-db06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB068-90de4855dbd1150; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 23:19:55 -0400 Message-ID: To: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:15:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-AOL-IP: 168.103.155.224 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: am stereo belt? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=NEBROdkH3bD7B5_P5GE7mgWN1kfcgGznxUlWfrpHDKuznTnjPm2t X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 hello a email called am stereo belt was just posted accidently deleeted email can some one please repost the email? it sounded interesting Hank From keith1226@yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 21:19:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72398 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2008 04:19:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2008 04:19:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.148) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2008 04:19:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 74325 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2008 04:19:37 -0000 X-Received: from [71.197.193.155] by web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:19:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:19:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <674896.74163.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Reply-To: keith1226@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo belt? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=f5w3slwd6qYptTk4QepH5KGMO_D0HN_2D7zpd1E8CSa1SITV X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Hi Gang!!! I want to know if somebody knows a document (text, multimedia, PowerPoint slide show, etc.), somewhere in the Web, that talks about the "AM tragedy", emphasizing the problem about the bad receivers and the fact that there is no technical reason to the AM bad sound. I've been gathered information about it, but I need more to get my final target: to convince my country AM broadcasters to do something urgent to save our AM band. Can somebody help me? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- On Sun, 6/15/08, hank smith wrote: > From: hank smith > Subject: {AMSF} am stereo belt? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 8:15 PM > hello a email called > am stereo belt > was just posted > accidently deleeted email > can some one please repost the email? > it sounded interesting > Hank >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 From rwagoner@cox.net Sun Jun 15 22:40:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97926 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2008 05:40:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2008 05:40:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao106.cox.net) (68.230.241.40) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2008 05:40:54 -0000 X-Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080616054051.GWGF7004.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:40:51 -0400 X-Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id eVgu1Z0071sYu8404VguCQ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:40:54 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:40:51 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} URGENT!! 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Windows XP SP3 & Norton STILL Incompatible! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=ztQCphPFCKoyt8dxmZOOyo0upQMHh3_8l7LSVBImTqQ2sF7vPomy7goDY3VL X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And Amazon. On Jun 15, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > but there is ONLY one brand of computer you can buy that > > comes with Mac OSX and only 3 places to buy 'em: The Apple Store, > The > > iStore, and now Best Buy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 23:35:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17346 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2008 06:35:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2008 06:35:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.113) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2008 06:35:12 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 06:35:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 06:35:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 06:35:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 06:35:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.87.93 From: "Kevin T." Subject: First ever AM Stereo on YouTube! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=GW6lUdR0sV_sRSNpAQgQLwhqUf38nuuNo8mRA_09QTpFWX-eHw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Thanks to a program called "Riva FLV Encoder" you can now upload=20 videos to YouTube with STEREO audio (as long as you keep the combined=20 audio + video bitrate below 350 kbps). So I used it to upload one of=20 my favorite AM Stereo recordings, of 1190 WOWO via skywave DX in=20 1992: Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D9_5QTkGEflQ Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWm_iYK-ctiQ Also if you're interested, I posted some cuts from a fantastic easy=20 listening "beautiful music" LP -- this is Part 1, follow the "Related=20 Video" links for parts 2 through 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbRIoO9NuAdg From gowrone@gmail.com Mon Jun 16 09:32:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gowrone@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16610 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2008 16:32:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2008 16:32:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.157) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2008 16:32:02 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so3095621ywm.8 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:32:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.252.11 with SMTP id z11mr2427394wfh.232.1213633921920; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:32:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [12.227.170.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm12141299wff.12.2008.06.16.09.32.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:32:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1560789B-CE62-4400-9800-902ABBEDBB29@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:31:17 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Matthew Elliff Subject: Re: {AMSF} First ever AM Stereo on YouTube! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=285717100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey that's pretty cool! i'm glad someone finally got something to work on youtube so stereo stuff could be uploaded. that sounded nice. On Jun 16, 2008, at 1:35 AM, Kevin T. wrote: > Thanks to a program called "Riva FLV Encoder" you can now upload > videos to YouTube with STEREO audio (as long as you keep the combined > audio + video bitrate below 350 kbps). So I used it to upload one of > my favorite AM Stereo recordings, of 1190 WOWO via skywave DX in > 1992: > > Part 1 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_5QTkGEflQ > > Part 2 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm_iYK-ctiQ > > Also if you're interested, I posted some cuts from a fantastic easy > listening "beautiful music" LP -- this is Part 1, follow the "Related > Video" links for parts 2 through 4: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRIoO9NuAdg > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 13:20:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49323 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2008 20:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2008 20:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2008 20:20:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16077 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2008 20:20:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:20:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:20:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <674896.74163.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <637492.14714.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo belt? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=XIQVlM5y4po1rk-X-6pSnyaGlTlgqtQ4UE9lPEwY9tkxaQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Hola, Juan! I would recommend looking at Leonard Kahn's website, google "Wrath of Kahn"= , there is some very interesting reading on there! A lot of it is worthy of downloading and sharing with those in a position t= o preserve our "favorite band". Leonard has fought long and hard with the FCC and the broadcasting lobby (sometimes ALSO known as the FCC) to keep AM clean, and to continue taking = advantage of it's greatest asset...the ability to reach vast distances effi= ciently. He puts forth some excellent technical explanations, and the opini= onated stuff is well written and often humorous...check it out! BTW, is there IBOC in Chile yet? If THAT comes to town, Lord help ya, amig= o! George --- On Mon, 6/16/08, keith beesley wrote: > From: keith beesley > Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo belt? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 12:19 AM > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I want to know if somebody knows a document (text, > multimedia, > PowerPoint slide show, etc.), somewhere in the Web, that > talks about > the "AM tragedy", emphasizing the problem about > the bad receivers and > the fact that there is no technical reason to the AM bad > sound. >=20 > I've been gathered information about it, but I need > more to get my > final target: to convince my country AM broadcasters to do > something > urgent to save our AM band. >=20 > Can somebody help me? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Sun, 6/15/08, hank smith > wrote: >=20 > > From: hank smith > > Subject: {AMSF} am stereo belt? > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 8:15 PM > > hello a email called > > am stereo belt > > was just posted > > accidently deleeted email > > can some one please repost the email? > > it sounded interesting > > Hank > >=20 > > ------------------------------------ > >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups > > Links > >=20 > >=20 > > =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 13:22:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52160 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2008 20:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2008 20:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2008 20:22:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17857 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2008 20:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:22:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:22:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <223334.16389.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} First ever AM Stereo on YouTube! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=TlT70EQd_CRat075XSljf_ef5Zo0F0zbAYoxm7b3Z20bxg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Kevin...you the man! I've been after any recording of WOWO from their Magnavox days, can't wait to see/hear this... George --- On Mon, 6/16/08, Kevin T. wrote: > From: Kevin T. > Subject: {AMSF} First ever AM Stereo on YouTube! > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 2:35 AM > Thanks to a program called "Riva FLV Encoder" you > can now upload > videos to YouTube with STEREO audio (as long as you keep > the combined > audio + video bitrate below 350 kbps). So I used it to > upload one of > my favorite AM Stereo recordings, of 1190 WOWO via skywave > DX in > 1992: > > Part 1 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_5QTkGEflQ > > Part 2 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm_iYK-ctiQ > > Also if you're interested, I posted some cuts from a > fantastic easy > listening "beautiful music" LP -- this is Part 1, > follow the "Related > Video" links for parts 2 through 4: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRIoO9NuAdg From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 13:52:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86596 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2008 20:52:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2008 20:52:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2008 20:52:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 67794 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2008 20:52:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:52:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:52:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <975270.67760.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} First ever AM Stereo on YouTube! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=T09IS5CJfcF2kAwNbbDlMCPs4JCNuTdf2yNPi1SnY0Z4vw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 AWESOME! Man, what a memory, hearing WOWO in glorious PMX stereo again. Kevin, was your tuner stock C-QUAM? I recall WOWO sounding really good on a C-QUAM car radio I had back then...PMX decoded Motorola-style still sounded good, and you can well imagine how it sounded thru an SRF-A100 (Magnavox-oriented decoder)...FM had nothing on THAT! WOWO was such an awesome station, it was a sad day when the FCC forced them to go mono (they refused to convert to C-QUAM), then they lost power, went talk...Oh well, thanks to you, the REAL WOWO sound lives on! George --- On Mon, 6/16/08, Kevin T. wrote: > From: Kevin T. > Subject: {AMSF} First ever AM Stereo on YouTube! > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 2:35 AM > Thanks to a program called "Riva FLV Encoder" you > can now upload > videos to YouTube with STEREO audio (as long as you keep > the combined > audio + video bitrate below 350 kbps). So I used it to > upload one of > my favorite AM Stereo recordings, of 1190 WOWO via skywave > DX in > 1992: > > Part 1 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_5QTkGEflQ > > Part 2 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm_iYK-ctiQ > > Also if you're interested, I posted some cuts from a > fantastic easy > listening "beautiful music" LP -- this is Part 1, > follow the "Related > Video" links for parts 2 through 4: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRIoO9NuAdg From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 14:30:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97377 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2008 21:30:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2008 21:30:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.141) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2008 21:30:00 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n14.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 21:30:00 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 21:30:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 21:29:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:29:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <975270.67760.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.87.93 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} First ever AM Stereo on YouTube! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=3u_20lG_R1jcG8Nv_N22xcuj2j3ieaU-21Vl0xsgBOW1bRVvEA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > AWESOME! Man, what a memory, hearing WOWO in glorious PMX stereo > again. > Kevin, was your tuner stock C-QUAM? I recall WOWO sounding really > good on a C-QUAM car radio I had back then...PMX decoded > Motorola-style still sounded good, and you can well imagine how it > sounded thru an SRF-A100 (Magnavox-oriented decoder)...FM had > nothing on THAT! > WOWO was such an awesome station, it was a sad day when the FCC > forced them to go mono (they refused to convert to C-QUAM), then > they lost power, went talk...Oh well, thanks to you, the REAL WOWO > sound lives on! > George I didn't make the recording myself, it was by a kind fellow who gave=20 me a copy of his WOWO tapes many years ago. As far as I know his=20 receiver was a stock, unmodified TM-152, thus if WOWO was still=20 transmitting Magnavox AM Stereo in late 1992, they must have been=20 using a 25 Hz pilot tone to get it to decode on C-Quam receivers. And in response to those who have asked about how to upload a stereo=20 video to YouTube, here are the tools I used... To create a "video" out of the WAV audio track, I created a=20 320x240 BMP title image in Windows Paint and then used BMP2AVI to=20 attach it to the WAV file and create the resulting AVI video file: http://www.divx-digest.com/software/bmp2avi.html Normally BMP2AVI expects a numbered sequence of BMP files in order to=20 create a true motion-picture video, but you can use only one image to=20 create a fixed title screen that will appear through the duration of=20 the audio. The only consequence of this is that once uploaded to=20 YouTube, you cannot rewind or fast-forward the video while it's=20 playing, since it only contains one image frame covering the entire=20 duration of the audio. The real trick is to create an FLV video file yourself. Normally=20 YouTube takes whatever format you upload (MPEG, Windows Media Video,=20 QuickTime, etc.) and they convert it to FLV format with mono audio. But if you do the FLV conversion yourself and upload it, YouTube will=20 see that your file is already in FLV format and won't re-convert it=20 as long as you keep the total audio+video bitrate lower than 350=20 kbps. So if you upload to YouTube an FLV video containing stereo=20 audio that is less than 350 kbps, it will play in stereo on YouTube! The tool I use to create FLV videos is Riva FLV Encoder: http://www.rivavx.com/?encoder The only catch is that it requires at least Windows 2000 or XP; Riva=20 locks up on my Windows 98 and ME computers. To keep the best audio=20 quality, set the audio to 160 kbps 44100 Hz Stereo and set the video=20 bitrate to 160 kbps or less (if you're just using a fixed title=20 image, even 48 kbps for the video is fine) and make sure the video=20 resolution matches the resolution of the video file you are putting=20 into the FLV encoder. You can then take the resulting FLV file and upload it to YouTube! From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 16:28:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68761 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2008 23:28:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2008 23:28:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.214) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2008 23:28:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 23:28:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2008 23:28:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:28:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <223334.16389.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.30.42 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} First ever AM Stereo on YouTube! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=gnPWjUTKDHoZOC1GLhKmwAKS2wSpsDM7MLkVE-iSzRz8cEUs X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Kevin...you the man! I've been after any recording of WOWO from their Magnavox days, can't wait to see/hear this... > George From the AMS Archive, here are the files for Indiana: http://tinyurl.com/5x6avo 3 WOWO files there, at the mo... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Jun 16 17:35:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96505 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2008 00:35:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2008 00:35:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2008 00:35:39 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.126] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080616193522102682500010> for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:35:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00a201c8d012$4ec6cfa0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:35:22 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} An AM life belt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=pSjlsCC3-ZsVrRJiOiqfVaYi9dQ10HnordUYFiXunkfJsiSxgbty X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You might want to check the Radio World archives. There was an article by Bob Orban (of audio processor fame) who wrote such an article, but it was many years ago and I couldn't tell you how long it was exactly. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 I want to know if somebody knows a document (text, multimedia, PowerPoint slide show, etc.), somewhere in the Web, that talks about the "AM tragedy", emphasizing the problem about the bad receivers and the fact that there is no technical reason to the AM bad sound. ___ --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 18:47:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9395 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2008 01:47:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2008 01:47:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2008 01:47:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 70592 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jun 2008 01:47:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:47:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:47:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <314523.70477.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} First ever AM Stereo on YouTube! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=D_6gXSuDEllVjXUxlZhQayrpC3WIHkQeg_Q6bFW7eRh4MQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Kevin, due to an agreement with Continental Electronics, WOWO was not allowed to alter the PMX-302 exciter, or even open it up, so the CE did the next best thing...he fed a 25 Hz. tone into the audio chain! It fooled C-QUAM receivers into decoding the Magnavox signal, and unfortunately, fooled a lot of people into thinking WOWO was using C-QUAM. WOWO never EVER used C-QUAM, they were the proud flagship station of the Magnavox System to the bitter end, and when C-QUAM became the standard, they just went back to mono. (no love lost between the CE and Motorola!) I tried to get a petition going to get WOWO "grandfather status" so they could keep their PMX going. They sounded fine on C-QUAM sets, they were causing no harm to other stations, and they were the last surviving PMX station out of the seven that ever used it beyond testing...but to no avail. Your audio posting proves that C-QUAM sets had no trouble with PMX, other than somewhat of a change in the stereo image...I think in some cases it sounded much BETTER! (WOWO got frequent listener comments to that effect, also) George --- On Mon, 6/16/08, Kevin T. wrote: > From: Kevin T. > Subject: Re: {AMSF} First ever AM Stereo on YouTube! > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 5:29 PM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > > wrote: > > AWESOME! Man, what a memory, hearing WOWO in glorious > PMX stereo > > again. > > Kevin, was your tuner stock C-QUAM? I recall WOWO > sounding really > > good on a C-QUAM car radio I had back then...PMX > decoded > > Motorola-style still sounded good, and you can well > imagine how it > > sounded thru an SRF-A100 (Magnavox-oriented > decoder)...FM had > > nothing on THAT! > > WOWO was such an awesome station, it was a sad day > when the FCC > > forced them to go mono (they refused to convert to > C-QUAM), then > > they lost power, went talk...Oh well, thanks to you, > the REAL WOWO > > sound lives on! > > George > > I didn't make the recording myself, it was by a kind > fellow who gave > me a copy of his WOWO tapes many years ago. As far as I > know his > receiver was a stock, unmodified TM-152, thus if WOWO was > still > transmitting Magnavox AM Stereo in late 1992, they must > have been > using a 25 Hz pilot tone to get it to decode on C-Quam > receivers. > > And in response to those who have asked about how to upload > a stereo > video to YouTube, here are the tools I used... > > To create a "video" out of the WAV audio track, I > created a > 320x240 BMP title image in Windows Paint and then used > BMP2AVI to > attach it to the WAV file and create the resulting AVI > video file: > > http://www.divx-digest.com/software/bmp2avi.html > > Normally BMP2AVI expects a numbered sequence of BMP files > in order to > create a true motion-picture video, but you can use only > one image to > create a fixed title screen that will appear through the > duration of > the audio. The only consequence of this is that once > uploaded to > YouTube, you cannot rewind or fast-forward the video while > it's > playing, since it only contains one image frame covering > the entire > duration of the audio. > > The real trick is to create an FLV video file yourself. > Normally > YouTube takes whatever format you upload (MPEG, Windows > Media Video, > QuickTime, etc.) and they convert it to FLV format with > mono audio. > But if you do the FLV conversion yourself and upload it, > YouTube will > see that your file is already in FLV format and won't > re-convert it > as long as you keep the total audio+video bitrate lower > than 350 > kbps. So if you upload to YouTube an FLV video containing > stereo > audio that is less than 350 kbps, it will play in stereo on > YouTube! > > The tool I use to create FLV videos is Riva FLV Encoder: > > http://www.rivavx.com/?encoder > > The only catch is that it requires at least Windows 2000 or > XP; Riva > locks up on my Windows 98 and ME computers. To keep the > best audio > quality, set the audio to 160 kbps 44100 Hz Stereo and set > the video > bitrate to 160 kbps or less (if you're just using a > fixed title > image, even 48 kbps for the video is fine) and make sure > the video > resolution matches the resolution of the video file you are > putting > into the FLV encoder. > > You can then take the resulting FLV file and upload it to > YouTube! 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( [12.227.170.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm9876015wrl.11.2008.06.16.23.05.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6E5F6AC7-C9D6-4BC9-9A0C-E6FE4487FC63@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 01:05:14 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Matthew Elliff Subject: did springfield mo ever have any am stereo stations? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=285717100 i've always wondered if we ever did. does anyone know? i can't find anything online about it. thanks in advance. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 05:03:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37314 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2008 12:03:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2008 12:03:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.217) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2008 12:03:32 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2008 12:03:32 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2008 12:03:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2008 12:03:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:03:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <637492.14714.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.24 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo belt? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=fR2icTHv5Ib8as19J7fPQZvtMBq6eiC5Jdy7rBjQMIrK_BbcVw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > Hola, Juan! >=20 > I would recommend looking at Leonard Kahn's website, google "Wrath=20 of Kahn", there is some very interesting reading on there! >=20 > A lot of it is worthy of downloading and sharing with those in a=20 position to preserve our "favorite band". >=20 > Leonard has fought long and hard with the FCC and the broadcasting=20 lobby > (sometimes ALSO known as the FCC) to keep AM clean, and to=20 continue taking advantage of it's greatest asset...the ability to=20 reach vast distances efficiently. He puts forth some excellent=20 technical explanations, and the opinionated stuff is well written=20 and often humorous...check it out! >=20 > BTW, is there IBOC in Chile yet? If THAT comes to town, Lord help=20 ya, amigo! >=20 > George >=20 >=20 Hi George!!! Thank you so much for your help!!! Thanks God, here, in Chile, there isn't an IBOC station yet. But I=20 suspect there is one near here (and I guess very strong) in 980 -=20 1200 KHZ. In the morning (before my local 10 A.M.) I can hear a lot=20 of "rare" far noise in this part of the band, noise not present one=20 month ago, but it's only the noise not an intelligible sound. And I=20 suspect this is an IBOC noise because it sounds like the typical=20 digital Internet connection sound. Unfortunately, I don't know and I=20 don't have read something about what station could be, and from=20 where. Maybe Argentina? Brasil? I don't know. I'll read the Kahn' site and I hope to get a good material from=20 there. I hope to get my final target soon, before the IBOC monster expands=20 its tentacles to this part of the world. Please, pray for this cause=20 and give me all your "Good Vibrations". LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 05:25:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64167 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2008 12:25:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2008 12:25:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.128) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2008 12:25:39 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n1.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2008 12:25:39 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2008 12:25:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2008 12:25:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:25:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <314523.70477.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.24 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} First ever AM Stereo on YouTube! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=7XKN3l99iIK_-iWH9YcnnzYUUTujsfarGf5aPIW-CAHA8_YeVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > Kevin, >=20 > due to an agreement with Continental Electronics, WOWO was not=20 allowed to alter the PMX-302 exciter, or even open it up, so the CE=20 did the next best thing...he fed a 25 Hz. tone into the audio=20 chain! It fooled C-QUAM receivers into decoding the Magnavox=20 signal, and unfortunately, fooled a lot of people into thinking WOWO=20 was using C-QUAM.=20=20 > WOWO never EVER used C-QUAM, they were the proud flagship station=20 of the Magnavox System to the bitter end, and when C-QUAM became the=20 standard, they just went back to mono. (no love lost between the CE=20 and Motorola!) >=20 > I tried to get a petition going to get WOWO "grandfather status"=20 so they could keep their PMX going. They sounded fine on C-QUAM=20 sets, they were causing no harm to other stations, and they were the=20 last surviving > PMX station out of the seven that ever used it beyond=20 testing...but to no avail. Your audio posting proves that C-QUAM=20 sets had no trouble with PMX, other than somewhat of a change in the=20 stereo image...I think in some cases it sounded much BETTER! (WOWO=20 got frequent listener comments to that effect, also) > George Excuse my ignorance but, theorically, Magnavox is ALMOST the same=20 thing than C-QUAM, or Am I wrong? As I know the differences are minimal, in the exciter side. I guess=20 the receiver is, ALMOST, the same circuit. So... I don't understand=20 why the FCC brains could forbid the Magnavox system if any C-QUAM=20 receiver could "catch" it. ??? Which would be the problem? I guess the real problem was/is/still will be between C-QUAM and=20 Kahn, because I don't know how to get some compatibility here.=20 Maybe, with some sophisticated digital trick we could transmit both=20 C-QUAM and ISB at the same time, MAYBE, but I don't know if we could=20 do something like this in the receiver part. Does somebody have done some survey about which system is=20 TECHNICALLY more effective (money to performance ratio)? C-QUAM or=20 ISB? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 17:36:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64424 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2008 00:36:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2008 00:36:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.233) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2008 00:36:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22564 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jun 2008 00:36:14 -0000 X-Received: from [64.223.44.245] by web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:36:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:36:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <599190.21933.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} First ever AM Stereo on YouTube! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=eUP-W-CTzfCrDXllfoGAo_XdY6oBBgKTi3gx9jCtRFEspqnomIBj X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think Chris Cuff may have posted that about 7 years ago to this list.&nbs= p; It may be in the files section.  I remember he talked about it on-a= ir when he & Scott went to KCJJ in April 2000.  I think he said th= at of the 5 systems, "C-QUAM won but not by much."  You know what, I'm= almost positive he did because I remember Kahn getting the lowest score wh= ich, I think, was a 77. 73, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Tue, 6/17/08, jotape1960 <jotape1960@yahoo.com> wrote: From: jotape1960 <jotape1960@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {AMSF} First ever AM Stereo on YouTube! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 8:25 AM =20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, george russell <wlx1= 430@... >=20 wrote: > > Kevin, >=20 > due to an agreement with Continental Electronics, WOWO was not=20 allowed to alter the PMX-302 exciter, or even open it up, so the CE=20 did the next best thing...he fed a 25 Hz. tone into the audio=20 chain! It fooled C-QUAM receivers into decoding the Magnavox=20 signal, and unfortunately, fooled a lot of people into thinking WOWO=20 was using C-QUAM.=20=20 > WOWO never EVER used C-QUAM, they were the proud flagship station=20 of the Magnavox System to the bitter end, and when C-QUAM became the=20 standard, they just went back to mono. (no love lost between the CE=20 and Motorola!) >=20 > I tried to get a petition going to get WOWO "grandfather status"=20 so they could keep their PMX going. They sounded fine on C-QUAM=20 sets, they were causing no harm to other stations, and they were the=20 last surviving > PMX station out of the seven that ever used it beyond=20 testing...but to no avail. Your audio posting proves that C-QUAM=20 sets had no trouble with PMX, other than somewhat of a change in the=20 stereo image...I think in some cases it sounded much BETTER! (WOWO=20 got frequent listener comments to that effect, also) > George Excuse my ignorance but, theorically, Magnavox is ALMOST the same=20 thing than C-QUAM, or Am I wrong? As I know the differences are minimal, in the exciter side. I guess=20 the receiver is, ALMOST, the same circuit. So... I don't understand=20 why the FCC brains could forbid the Magnavox system if any C-QUAM=20 receiver could "catch" it. ??? Which would be the problem? I guess the real problem was/is/still will be between C-QUAM and=20 Kahn, because I don't know how to get some compatibility here.=20 Maybe, with some sophisticated digital trick we could transmit both=20 C-QUAM and ISB at the same time, MAYBE, but I don't know if we could=20 do something like this in the receiver part. Does somebody have done some survey about which system is=20 TECHNICALLY more effective (money to performance ratio)? C-QUAM or=20 ISB? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sweetpriya.kapoor2@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 03:13:03 2008 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=27944;u=;t=1213994343;m=1351912763;s=2593398067; From sweetpriya.kapoor2@yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 03:13:06 2008 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=27945;u=;t=1213994353;m=1031431264;s=2359188368; From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Jun 18 06:03:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21229 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2008 13:03:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2008 13:03:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s23.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.95) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2008 13:03:29 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.18]) by bay0-omc1-s23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:02:40 -0700 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:02:40 -0700 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.117 by BLU108-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:02:34 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:02:34 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2008 13:02:40.0300 (UTC) FILETIME=[96CB9EC0:01C8D143] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Sonal Chauhan New Sizzling Photos--ref to hacker Love Rose X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=82D56JvdEu0C5JTxnM1GSSM0tMJWhHpI3RHOq3ErN5av1UNrmAsaVnXyhqI X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I didn't open this (the two posts from Love Rose; which were sent to more than a dozen yahoo groups) on my computer, for fear of a possible virus, but did open it on my MSNTV2, which cannot download most things including viruses. Looks as though Love Rose is a busy person or group of people; hope that "Love Rose" doesn't hack into or corrupt any of this newsgroups files. Donn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 13:41:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12862 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2008 20:41:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2008 20:41:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.124) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2008 20:41:44 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2008 20:41:44 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2008 20:41:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2008 20:41:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:41:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.89.120 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: Sonal Chauhan New Sizzling Photos--ref to hacker Love Rose X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=zwwrQod8BgqXRh1YokBC0kJ0yq7Nef_XOmYcEFS1h2B43qf67w X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman"=20 wrote: > I didn't open this (the two posts from Love Rose; which were sent=20 to more than a dozen yahoo groups) on my computer, for fear of a=20 possible virus, but did open it on my MSNTV2, which cannot download=20 most things including viruses. It was a spammer who has been banned. The two spam messages have=20 been deleted from the group's archive. I have to manually approve each new member of this group, which=20 usually keeps out 99.99% of the spammers, but sometimes an extra- persistent one slips through the cracks. From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Jun 20 13:49:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93437 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2008 20:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2008 20:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.214) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2008 20:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W38 ([64.4.19.138]) by bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:49:19 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:49:19 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2008 20:49:19.0940 (UTC) FILETIME=[1CB52040:01C8D317] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Sonal Chauhan New Sizzling Photos--ref to hacker Love Rose X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=iZg4edYRZnZOGseNbgWl0VX_qP7pjfXerhnEIDWjzA2cOpA6waO1 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kev, Can you back trace this hacker to the originating ISP? If you can, and it is an American ISP you should be able to shut this hacker down. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: kevtronics@yahoo.comDate: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:41:42 +0000Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sonal Chauhan New Sizzling Photos--ref to hacker Love Rose --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" wrote:> I didn't open this (the two posts from Love Rose; which were sent to more than a dozen yahoo groups) on my computer, for fear of a possible virus, but did open it on my MSNTV2, which cannot download most things including viruses.It was a spammer who has been banned. The two spam messages have been deleted from the group's archive.I have to manually approve each new member of this group, which usually keeps out 99.99% of the spammers, but sometimes an extra-persistent one slips through the cracks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Jun 20 15:26:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61642 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2008 22:26:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2008 22:26:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s36.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.175) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2008 22:26:21 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W5 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s36.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:26:21 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:26:20 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2008 22:26:21.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA840000:01C8D324] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Sonal Chauhan New Sizzling Photos--ref to hacker Love Rose X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=cPvYSFbD-Q87js9IdwNxsIh4GXzJNFWvcqt35ukcnCZicUZ90tAAbqoPhpI X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would think that Yahoo groups would also be interested in trying to track this hacker down as well, since he/she/they hacked into at least a dozen other Yahoo groups that also were recipients of these spams. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: mtgc@hotmail.comDate: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:49:19 -0400Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Sonal Chauhan New Sizzling Photos--ref to hacker Love Rose Kev,Can you back trace this hacker to the originating ISP? If you can, and it is an American ISP youshould be able to shut this hacker down.MTGC (Michael)To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: kevtronics@yahoo.comDate: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:41:42 +0000Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sonal Chauhan New Sizzling Photos--ref to hacker Love Rose--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn Tillman" wrote:> I didn't open this (the two posts from Love Rose; which were sent to more than a dozen yahoo groups) on my computer, for fear of a possible virus, but did open it on my MSNTV2, which cannot download most things including viruses.It was a spammer who has been banned. The two spam messages have been deleted from the group's archive.I have to manually approve each new member of this group, which usually keeps out 99.99% of the spammers, but sometimes an extra-persistent one slips through the cracks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 21:07:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28754 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2008 04:07:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2008 04:07:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2008 04:07:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11992 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jun 2008 04:07:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:07:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:07:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <759020.11539.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sonal Chauhan New Sizzling Photos--ref to hacker Love Rose X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=fyRsB06sUO1-sIPUSmOittCiUmPfUc2Qix_GFpHp-cZYKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Glad you're watching out, Kevin! Somehow I had a feeling that message didn't have anything to do with AM Stereo...glad I didn't open it, with a few kids hanging around here. George --- On Fri, 6/20/08, Kevin T. wrote: > From: Kevin T. > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sonal Chauhan New Sizzling Photos--ref to hacker Love Rose > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 4:41 PM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Donn > Tillman" > wrote: > > I didn't open this (the two posts from Love Rose; > which were sent > to more than a dozen yahoo groups) on my computer, for fear > of a > possible virus, but did open it on my MSNTV2, which cannot > download > most things including viruses. > > It was a spammer who has been banned. The two spam > messages have > been deleted from the group's archive. > > I have to manually approve each new member of this group, > which > usually keeps out 99.99% of the spammers, but sometimes an > extra- > persistent one slips through the cracks. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 15:03:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1385 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2008 22:03:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2008 22:03:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2008 22:03:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18647 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jun 2008 22:03:26 -0000 X-Received: from [72.241.177.103] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 15:03:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 15:03:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <361475.18632.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: WJR HD-not X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=fQs4QIeUnrB-pSAIdRYxAjG3TuNnIhBy2HROMsvQo1cerlDEAOeyorg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio WJR has switched off the HD during the day now too - anybody know if we can pester them to turn the CQuam back on instead? From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Jun 21 18:18:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67076 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2008 01:18:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2008 01:18:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2008 01:18:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58784 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jun 2008 01:18:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:18:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:18:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <361475.18632.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <55391.54999.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WJR HD-not X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=UNJ8tBiOs_iPARMbAuMOy-X3uV_JhRpdSSo9Xnf_6H667g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Oh, could this be the beginning of a TREND? I hope other stations see this as a brave move by WJR to say "enough is enough...bannish the BUZZ"! I wonder if they even still have the C-QUAM exciter in the rack? Quite a few of those have gone through Ebay over the last few years... George --- On Sat, 6/21/08, John P. wrote: > From: John P. > Subject: {AMSF} WJR HD-not > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 6:03 PM > WJR has switched off the HD during the day now too - anybody > know if we can pester them to turn the CQuam back on > instead? From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jun 23 18:27:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91506 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2008 01:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2008 01:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2008 01:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c21.287d7d2e (34934) for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:27:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from webmail-da09 (webmail-da09.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.204]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA047-887648604d82af; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:27:30 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:27:30 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <55391.54999.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37434-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-da09.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.204) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:27:30 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAA3B09AB2C725-728-EAF@webmail-da09.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Trip to Fort Wayne X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=lWGa1B7ni468ZaDojr-io4NnUY9JhCXtHBWd3QdpojG_96UgOZWOcIcamSlUGzhQ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I attended a wedding this weekend in Fort Wayne, driving from Saint Louis.? Didn't get much by way of AMS scans on the Roadmaster's Delco except WLS.? However, Fort Wayne has a nice antenna farm on the northwest border of the city.? There were so many towers, I couldn't tell the arrays from the single towers (AM, FM, TV, or combination thereof).? On US 27 on the way of town towards Indianapolis, there was a short four tower array I?but couldn't indentify it.? The studio must have been at the same location as there were several large satellite dishes in back of a larger than the typical transmitter shed building. Anyone know if KCJJ got hit by the floods in Iowa City?? 1630 seemed pretty well dead. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 06:00:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38981 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2008 13:00:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2008 13:00:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2008 13:00:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29749 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 2008 13:00:23 -0000 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 06:00:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 06:00:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <741260.252.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re:Trip to Fort Wayne X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=wSqO23UGhXHTvtAbwv4hAnMlZwnAPCMdTjN8Yjx3vabbauRZ74doR7M X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Mike, CFCO was in mono last week after a thunderstorm, but they're back in CQuam as of yesterday. WJR still mono and no HD too. From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jun 24 08:10:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40859 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2008 15:10:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2008 15:10:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2008 15:10:06 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c07.3ad6c332 (34920) for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:10:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MA17 (webmail-ma17.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.81]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA035-886848610e49311; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:10:01 -0400 References: <741260.252.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:10:01 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <741260.252.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37434-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MA17.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.81) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:10:01 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAA42382158EE6-1340-B21@WEBMAIL-MA17.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:Trip to Fort Wayne X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=nabfTz6yLJjoWRftiOlVyNre0F8qlxZpZFV73InO-6KsDOmanz9xLlDJ8_pTiZ-Z X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sorry I missed it. Mike -----Original Message----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 8:00 am Subject: {AMSF} Re:Trip to Fort Wayne Mike, CFCO was in mono last week after a thunderstorm, but they're back in CQuam as of yesterday. WJR still mono and no HD too. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Jun 26 14:50:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65066 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2008 21:50:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2008 21:50:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.225) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2008 21:50:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16100 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2008 21:50:53 -0000 X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:50:53 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:50:53 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <540004.14454.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: WNMB struck by lightning, apparently off air. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=YMZRIt2SfxDBjrjDDgn2f9LYD9t8zNuIVfcXLGIlVA1fOSO5idI4 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On www.radio-info.com Bill posted that WNMB was struck by lightning & cards= in its Scott Studios automation & Harris Xmtr. were charred.=A0 Here's the= full text: In spite of good grounding and good engineering practices, sometimes Mother= Nature will have her way. This past Monday evening lightning struck both t= he WNMB studios in North Myrtle Beach and the station's transmitter site at= the Barefoot Resort. The studio strike turned a Scott Studios computer to = blackened audio cards, taking it out of service. The transmitter strike vir= tually destroyed our Harris transmitter. We have ordered new units for both= locations and hope to be back on the air by Monday or Tuesday. In the mean= time, we are still streaming. Total damages came to about $30k....not as bad as it could have been.=A0 In= surance is likely to cover some of the damage. Bill, I don't know if you still read this e-mail list but I hope I can say = this from all of us: we hope things go speedily along & we will offer any a= ssistance, albeit limited, if we are able to. =A0 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jun 26 14:55:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46008 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2008 21:55:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2008 21:55:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2008 21:55:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 86297 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2008 21:55:22 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:55:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:55:22 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <540004.14454.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <305211.85183.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WNMB struck by lightning, apparently off air. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=6OY_Ye2Rj3aZ1NXlrF8-3RuSnrudGez1AFfRjEcac44 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well he can't get a Scott anymore. It would be Google automation.=20 =A0 =A0 He needs to get a BE transmitter for AM stereo. =A0 Something wasn't grounded right if it did that kind of damage.=20 =A0 =A0 Powell =A0 =A0 NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 6/26/08, JNR wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Jun 27 04:05:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5773 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2008 11:05:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2008 11:05:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.228) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2008 11:05:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54343 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jun 2008 11:05:42 -0000 X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 04:05:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 04:05:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <305211.85183.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <304186.54250.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WNMB struck by lightning, apparently off air. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=dK1K0xbiVMr6w23wNCS9knHtsyaBEdb1RBWx8-Vtj54wUN3WU_Tg X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hope he continues broadcasting in stereo.=A0 I hope he has insurance.=A0 = $30k is a hefty chunk of change. =A0 Somebody stole part of the grounding system @ WARL & if there's a lightning= hit there's a good chance it'll fry everything! =A0 Jay --- On Thu, 6/26/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} WNMB struck by lightning, apparently off air. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 5:55 PM Well he can't get a Scott anymore. It would be Google automation.=20 =A0 =A0 He needs to get a BE transmitter for AM stereo. =A0 Something wasn't grounded right if it did that kind of damage.=20 =A0 =A0 Powell =A0 =A0 NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 6/26/08, JNR wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jun 27 06:33:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91046 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2008 13:33:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2008 13:33:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2008 13:33:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7477 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jun 2008 13:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.154] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:33:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:33:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <304186.54250.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <806687.7300.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WNMB struck by lightning, apparently off air. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Uiu06H4Fh3NXiRR5RB2ZIf027JwLF7KXl1MdWtSMFo4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EVERYTHING must be grounded to the same ground, and that IS NOT the ground = system of an AM=A0 radiator.=A0 If there are separate grounds for the equip= ment this is what will happen. BOOOOM=A0 SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTT!=A0=A0=20 Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 6/27/08, JNR wrote: I hope he continues broadcasting in stereo. I hope he has insurance. $30k= is a hefty chunk of change. =20 Somebody stole part of the grounding system @ WARL & if there's a lightning hit there's a good chance it'll fry everything! =20 Jay --- On Thu, 6/26/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} WNMB struck by lightning, apparently off air. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 5:55 PM Well he can't get a Scott anymore. It would be Google automation.=20 =20 =20 He needs to get a BE transmitter for AM stereo. =20 Something wasn't grounded right if it did that kind of damage.=20 =20 =20 Powell =20 =20 NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 6/26/08, JNR wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Jun 27 06:58:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86087 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2008 13:58:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2008 13:58:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.185) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2008 13:58:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 75668 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jun 2008 13:58:53 -0000 X-Received: from [64.222.56.19] by web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:58:53 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:58:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <806687.7300.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <719090.75597.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WNMB struck by lightning, apparently off air. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=LYb0M9WPHKbuyM6wNNIRd2WxxpbVqW1PNn_cbZOiKUTId_7M86uU X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's what they teach electricians.=A0 I remember seeing a shack for a 1kW= class C in R.I. which the sole electrical system ground had all but one st= rand disconnected from itself.=A0 Plus, it appeared to be aluminum or steel= , not copper.=A0 Anyway, the book I have says that you must have more than = 1 ground rod for an electrical system unless you can prove a resistance of = 25 ohms in the one rod.=A0 This guy advocated 8 ground rods.=A0 Hey, if you= have the land & the cash: do it!=A0 As for ground radials I just thought t= hey are attached to a ring around the antenna which is buried in the ground= & served as sort of a reflector for the A.M. signal. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ.WQBI410 --- On Fri, 6/27/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} WNMB struck by lightning, apparently off air. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 9:33 AM =20=20=20=20 EVERYTHING must be grounded to the same ground, and that IS NOT= the ground system of an AM radiator. If there are separate grounds for t= he equipment this is what will happen. BOOOOM SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTT T! = =20 Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 6/27/08, JNR wrote: I hope he continues broadcasting in stereo. I hope he has insurance. $30k= is a hefty chunk of change. =20 Somebody stole part of the grounding system @ WARL & if there's a lightning hit there's a good chance it'll fry everything! =20 Jay --- On Thu, 6/26/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} WNMB struck by lightning, apparently off air. To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 5:55 PM Well he can't get a Scott anymore. It would be Google automation.=20 =20 =20 He needs to get a BE transmitter for AM stereo. =20 Something wasn't grounded right if it did that kind of damage.=20 =20 =20 Powell =20 =20 NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 6/26/08, JNR wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Jun 27 07:35:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46034 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2008 14:35:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2008 14:35:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.237) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2008 14:35:01 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so408298wri.8 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:34:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.202.9 with SMTP id z9mr1745146anf.8.1214577298240; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.114? ( [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i49sm3335697rne.9.2008.06.27.07.34.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1B5A2219-0BA8-4413-B572-7AAE1004EDD2@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <305211.85183.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:15:34 -0400 References: <305211.85183.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WNMB struck by lightning, apparently off air. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=RfEzGuuKtxiOoCGBMEIINx-prcay0Tfd_tMeZoYBK4GWYwby9f7jlH85NLdEzA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jun 26, 2008, at 5:55 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > Something wasn't grounded right if it did that kind of damage. Not always. I have seen Lightning blow a hole in the side wall of the PA Compartment of a CCA AM-1000D transmitter! That whole station was grounded with 4" Copper Strapping. Kevin in Upstate South Carolina From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jun 27 10:33:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29717 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2008 17:33:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2008 17:33:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2008 17:33:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15259 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jun 2008 17:33:00 -0000 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:33:00 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:33:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <522919.15105.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re:WNMB struck by lightning, apparently off air. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=CutNJEPy5jo8cJqxV0miJ8AGo_ixXqRWbI_rKChf-pgyhtQnSxXZonQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I hope that it didn't ruin his outboard AM stereo encoder! From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Jun 27 10:58:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17402 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2008 17:58:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2008 17:58:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.185) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2008 17:58:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 56968 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jun 2008 17:58:48 -0000 X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:58:48 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:58:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <522919.15105.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <444894.55105.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:WNMB struck by lightning, apparently off air. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=S3n1ZmaP7lVnijqeBCPurdMsPLVCsXAAqzTOCX9UB9K-uiI_d-6y X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think it's a Delta Electronics encoder.=A0 I hope it didn't destroy it ei= ther. =A0 Jay --- On Fri, 6/27/08, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Re:WNMB struck by lightning, apparently off air. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 1:33 PM I hope that it didn't ruin his outboard AM stereo encoder! =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jun 27 19:07:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32156 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2008 02:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2008 02:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2008 02:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.138] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080627210713100253600010> for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:07:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008601c8d8c4$06892520$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <305211.85183.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1B5A2219-0BA8-4413-B572-7AAE1004EDD2@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:07:13 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WNMB struck by lightning, apparently off air. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=eiAz8DSWbjNmwQFXbE-9l_u-Hay6tVXT7rz7bJt6vSIuubb0Rr5t X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I haven't seen anything quite that devastating, but I'd have to concur. Tower 4 at KKMS and the studio building took a simultaneous hit back in 02 or 03 and melted the bus bar between the ATU and the bowl insulator feeding the tower plus it put a hole in the building's water main. That was quite a mess. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com On Jun 26, 2008, at 5:55 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > Something wasn't grounded right if it did that kind of damage. Not always. I have seen Lightning blow a hole in the side wall of the PA Compartment of a CCA AM-1000D transmitter! That whole station was grounded with 4" Copper Strapping. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Jun 28 05:41:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76996 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2008 12:41:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2008 12:41:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.29) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2008 12:41:47 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so474079ywe.65 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 05:41:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.47.7 with SMTP id z7mr4279472ybj.126.1214656907356; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 05:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.114? ( [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o27sm1325389ele.13.2008.06.28.05.41.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 05:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <22714754-06FF-4DD7-9A5B-AD20762F5ACF@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <806687.7300.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:04:11 -0400 References: <806687.7300.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WNMB struck by lightning, apparently off air. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=lXX0Uc7L09ZA6e5Fe2Pu1eWGV5KjCkS-9Q-uCGpESSS5llEQNHuTAGzqZJcmTA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jun 27, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > EVERYTHING must be grounded to the same ground And that means EVERYTHING! When I first went to work for WCKI, I grounded the steel building to the Main ground and all of the RFI problems went away! Kevin in Upstate South Carolina From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jul 01 11:41:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59558 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2008 18:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2008 18:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.159) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2008 18:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2008 18:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2008 18:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2008 18:41:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:41:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.104 From: "jotape1960" Subject: A copyright issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=XfAnkznk-xXWSqUgIOO1BgV7y4ZOf1weLJ8M5Eflg5IMC5AYhg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi gang!!! I wanna know why all the commercial music recording material (vinyl,=20 tapes, CDs, etc.) has the following legend: ...Unauthorized public performance, BROADCASTING and copying of this=20 record prohibited... If it is absolutely right, WHO CAN BROADCAST MUSIC? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Jul 01 12:21:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27615 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2008 19:21:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2008 19:21:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.214) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2008 19:21:30 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W53 ([64.4.19.153]) by bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:21:27 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 15:21:27 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2008 19:21:27.0920 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8E1F700:01C8DBAF] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} A copyright issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=mK31ulk3NU38IXKM2r6tYs-Gif7AfQHEK1suaGaWsYhxohH_Vkhw X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: jotape1960@yahoo.comDate: Tue, 1 Jul= 2008 18:41:55 +0000Subject: {AMSF} A copyright issue Hi gang!!!I wanna know why all the commercial music recording material (vin= yl, tapes, CDs, etc.) has the following legend:...Unauthorized public perfo= rmance, BROADCASTING and copying of this record prohibited...If it is absol= utely right, WHO CAN BROADCAST MUSIC?Thanks for your time!!!GOD BLESS YOU A= LL!!!!!!!Juan J. Paredes G.From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love=20 The key word here is "unauthorized". If you pay ASCAP and/or BMI the prope= r=20 funds, you can broadcast to your hearts content. =20 =20 MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jul 01 12:45:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39395 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2008 19:45:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2008 19:45:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2008 19:45:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 53512 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jul 2008 19:45:51 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:45:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:45:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <37720.53339.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A copyright issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=qbn0-AkseFrcOjXrwNC8p_uqji_Z8B3-zQtxQv1YPOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Notice the word=A0=A0=A0=A0 unauthorized=A0=A0 ..... If=A0 you have the mus= ic license you are authorized... =A0 =A0 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 7/1/08, jotape1960 wrote: I wanna know why all the commercial music recording material (vinyl,=20 tapes, CDs, etc.) has the following legend: ...Unauthorized public performance, BROADCASTING and copying of this=20 record prohibited... If it is absolutely right, WHO CAN BROADCAST MUSIC? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jul 01 14:18:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51727 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2008 21:18:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2008 21:18:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2008 21:18:52 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d5b.2647fe12 (34988) for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 17:18:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from FWM-M43 (fwm-m43.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.245]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB011-88ac486a9f372c6; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:18:47 -0400 References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:18:47 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37563-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by FWM-M43.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.245) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:18:47 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAA9D72E220B53-EB4-366@FWM-M43.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A copyright issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=8i-Q63rnUz7YYVdo-GrZYlUwND5BlnZS87Vkaf1L75xZCV7DVTsTkliPWY_A_f9w X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Juan, The program producer acquires a use license from an organization such as BM= I to use copyrighted material.=C2=A0 In the case of a broadcaster, the stat= ion or the organization with which it is affiliated, acquires the license.= =C2=A0 When I was involved in college radio, the records (yes, as in vinyl)= were licensed through the Intercollegiate Broadcast System (IBS). At some commercial stations, individual "licenses" for various records wher= e provided by the promoters who personally brought=C2=A0records to pitch to= the PM.=C2=A0 As I call, the licenses were small rectangular slips of pape= r with portraits of Grant and Franklin on them stuffed into an an envelope.= =C2=A0 The licenses were then turned over to the safekeeping of the PM.=C2= =A0 Sometimes the PM would provide the lead DJs with some of the licenses t= o keep in their pocket just in case an auditor from BMI would show up. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 1:41 pm Subject: {AMSF} A copyright issue Hi gang!!! I wanna know why all the commercial music recording material (vinyl,=20 tapes, CDs, etc.) has the following legend: ...Unauthorized public performance, BROADCASTING and copying of this=20 record prohibited... If it is absolutely right, WHO CAN BROADCAST MUSIC? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Jul 01 15:05:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91183 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2008 22:05:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2008 22:05:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2008 22:05:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 94716 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jul 2008 22:05:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:05:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 15:05:07 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAA9D72E220B53-EB4-366@FWM-M43.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <257922.93917.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} A copyright issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=WMRfI9SvfkneX8xIe5ivLTB_C4iqSv7LJc35zN2-V0SG-w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 LOL! Well put as usual, Mike. Were those slips a certain color, say, uh, = maybe green? Remember the episode of WKRP where Johnny was offered a little bit of=20 recreational powder in leu of such "licenses"? Mr. Carlson was told it was= foot powder, applied it as such, and panicked when his foot started to num= b...Isn't radio FUN? George --- On Tue, 7/1/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} A copyright issue > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 5:18 PM > Juan, >=20 > The program producer acquires a use license from an > organization such as BMI to use copyrighted material.=A0 In > the case of a broadcaster, the station or the organization > with which it is affiliated, acquires the license.=A0 When I > was involved in college radio, the records (yes, as in > vinyl) were licensed through the Intercollegiate Broadcast > System (IBS). >=20 > At some commercial stations, individual > "licenses" for various records where provided by > the promoters who personally brought=A0records to pitch to > the PM.=A0 As I call, the licenses were small rectangular > slips of paper with portraits of Grant and Franklin on them > stuffed into an an envelope.=A0 The licenses were then turned > over to the safekeeping of the PM.=A0 Sometimes the PM would > provide the lead DJs with some of the licenses to keep in > their pocket just in case an auditor from BMI would show > up. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: jotape1960 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 1:41 pm > Subject: {AMSF} A copyright issue >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi gang!!! >=20 > I wanna know why all the commercial music recording > material (vinyl,=20 > tapes, CDs, etc.) has the following legend: >=20 > ...Unauthorized public performance, BROADCASTING and > copying of this=20 > record prohibited... >=20 > If it is absolutely right, WHO CAN BROADCAST MUSIC? >=20 > Thanks for your time!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From robert.w.welch@att.net Tue Jul 01 16:33:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52988 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2008 23:33:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2008 23:33:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.177) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2008 23:33:33 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2008 23:33:33 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2008 23:33:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2008 23:33:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 23:33:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <37720.53339.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.58.25 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: A copyright issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=r-al32bG1aYn1UgQ5BBPppdm1fxW0KnZZKgGwSTCPutZj0kA3btz X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 The word .. unauthorized.. is a modifier for not only public performance but.. BROADCASTING and copying as well. The usage of language may have been the key in this. I live near Quebec.. I hear some strange writing of French by my fellow Vermonters in restauraunt menus and such.. the same can be found on public road signs. One of which is less than a mile from Quebec.. it has poor word usage on it. And to think the friends at Transports Quebec are just a telephone call away.. No one in Vermont chose to call before they painted up a huge sign. "Newport... suivante 4 sorties" When just a half-mile to the north a similar sign uses the more apt term "prochaines sorties" now back to the usual AM transmitter chit-chat. Bob at WSTJ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > > Notice the word=A0=A0=A0=A0 unauthorized=A0=A0 ..... If=A0 you have the m= usic license you are authorized... >=20 > =A0 > =A0 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 > --- On Tue, 7/1/08, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 >=20 > I wanna know why all the commercial music recording material (vinyl,=20 > tapes, CDs, etc.) has the following legend: >=20 > ...Unauthorized public performance, BROADCASTING and copying of this=20 > record prohibited... >=20 > If it is absolutely right, WHO CAN BROADCAST MUSIC? >=20 > Thanks for your time!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 02 05:46:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4547 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 12:46:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 12:46:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 12:46:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 70770 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jul 2008 12:46:09 -0000 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:46:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 05:46:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <817114.70432.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=kP13nlDi3hfN03TTOod0cUXNh3FGB1TKIFFnisuV5sKISM-jRQcaBQ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hello Everybody, How about we all put our heads together for this one. I'm trying to help Hank get his Part 15 transmitter up and running, and he is stuck on the antenna. We're looking for some ideas on simple, low-cost, low profile, antennae for a vision-impaired person to easily put in their place to provide coverage of their residence. Ideas? Thanks, John From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 02 05:48:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42772 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 12:48:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 12:48:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 12:48:44 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bc6.27d71d9d (39954) for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 08:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 08:48:37 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A copyright issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Ipv6uILo-2XqSWvox95PNnPaSFB938MV6yx21PnI7zQXrF1di92YDKkAaEoPyz_O X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone who has done time at a radio station knows the truly indispensible piece of equipment is the coffee urn. What I could never figure out was why the on-air talent at the FM rockers of my day would take their coffee black with a snort of powered creamer up each nostril. Maybe it was one of those voice enhancement things. What was really nice was the record promoters would always see the Creamora never ran out. Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 02 07:13:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7991 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 14:13:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 14:13:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 14:13:28 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c15.1a33382c (41811) for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:13:25 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=zreq4etDTj6nuKq-r_9zplwCp69tZMrqbpvfIEn2aYwnCeXdlZU_8RmZ8BU5QVhD X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a matter of fact, I happen to have one. What frequency? Total height, floor to ceiling? This must be relatively close as this is a top support which must reach the ceiling as it is top heavy and subject to tipping. To ship it, the mast section must be unscrewed from the base else it exceeds shipping dimensions. I am not sure how to pre-tune it as I found that is highly dependent on the ground that is used. The Slinky suspended from the ceiling might work. I tried it outdoors, suspended by a length of PVC pipe up the middle against a robust ground. I couldn't get it to tune properly, with only a minor peak at resonance. It didn't radiate worth a damn. Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 02 08:33:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25084 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 15:33:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 15:33:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 15:33:04 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.cb9.3273aba9 (37056) for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:32:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from FWM-D02 (fwm-d02.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.194]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB042-90c0486b9f9723b; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:32:39 -0400 References: <817114.70432.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:32:40 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <817114.70432.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37563-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by FWM-D02.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.194) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:32:40 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAAA6FFF3F832A-C00-1E52@FWM-D02.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=w39CtLUeN_lsxJSrpILlC-mc_NVKTASDDiUZddmq4MecdqoXgfwUzZY8MOgfhiI0 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit View full size What do you think? Mike -----Original Message----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 7:46 am Subject: {AMSF} Small Antenna Ideas Hello Everybody, How about we all put our heads together for this one. I'm trying to help Hank get his Part 15 transmitter up and running, and he is stuck on the antenna. We're looking for some ideas on simple, low-cost, low profile, antennae for a vision-impaired person to easily put in their place to provide coverage of their residence. Ideas? Thanks, John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Wed Jul 02 08:36:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18922 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 15:36:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 15:36:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 15:36:45 -0000 X-Received: from imo-m13.mail.aol.com (imo-m13.mail.aol.com [172.20.114.177]) by imr-d01.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN9-a486ba07f27d; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:36:31 -0400 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d6b.29ecea00 (34956) for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:36:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from HankSmithPC (s10.trico.az.wi-power.com [198.36.144.10]) by cia-da06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA065-888c486ba0703d2; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:36:17 -0400 Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 08:36:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.114.177 X-Spam-Flag:YES X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=cIXYRzUo-yE5RI2JeQEdwnIZm7Jfkp39NyLq80Oekk9JTMlrDFIs X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello am wanting to go on 1640 will be using this in tucson az when I fineally get relocated and settled in. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:13 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Small Antenna Ideas As a matter of fact, I happen to have one. What frequency? Total height, floor to ceiling? This must be relatively close as this is a top support which must reach the ceiling as it is top heavy and subject to tipping. To ship it, the mast section must be unscrewed from the base else it exceeds shipping dimensions. I am not sure how to pre-tune it as I found that is highly dependent on the ground that is used. The Slinky suspended from the ceiling might work. I tried it outdoors, suspended by a length of PVC pipe up the middle against a robust ground. I couldn't get it to tune properly, with only a minor peak at resonance. It didn't radiate worth a damn. Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Jul 02 09:13:10 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 66055 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 16:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 16:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.140) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 16:13:09 -0000 Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 16:13:09 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 16:13:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 16:13:09 -0000 Date: 2 Jul 2008 16:13:08 -0000 Message-ID: <1215015188.144.98034.w122@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Antenna.bmp Uploaded by : grant_at_hardscrapple Description : Simple Low Cost AM BCB Antenna You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Antenna.bmp To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, grant_at_hardscrapple From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 02 09:19:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6825 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 16:19:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 16:19:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 16:19:02 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bcc.2ec431cf (37559) for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:18:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MA12 (webmail-ma12.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.76]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB038-92b7486baa7031b; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:18:56 -0400 References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:18:55 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37563-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MA12.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.76) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:18:55 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAAA7675D7F1FE-EE0-1FA7@WEBMAIL-MA12.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=pBOQgavmHkcxXyCAgkb4vwQUIcJvz0b4lI_2OH3kul4WFNrjBhe2-pbkpGPBqAX1 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hank, I looks like inserting the bitmap in the post didn't work, so I uploaded it into the Files section.? I will work up the values for 1640 khz. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:36 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} Small Antenna Ideas Hello am wanting to go on 1640 will be using this in tucson az when I fineally get relocated and settled in. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:13 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Small Antenna Ideas As a matter of fact, I happen to have one. What frequency? Total height, floor to ceiling? This must be relatively close as this is a top support which must reach the ceiling as it is top heavy and subject to tipping. To ship it, the mast section must be unscrewed from the base else it exceeds shipping dimensions. I am not sure how to pre-tune it as I found that is highly dependent on the ground that is used. The Slinky suspended from the ceiling might work. I tried it outdoors, suspended by a length of PVC pipe up the middle against a robust ground. I couldn't get it to tune properly, with only a minor peak at resonance. It didn't radiate worth a damn. Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Jul 02 14:41:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36866 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 21:41:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 21:41:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 21:41:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54378 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jul 2008 21:41:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:41:20 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 14:41:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <215908.54328.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} A copyright issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=0x-z80Yh-iYQnODRiU4qPWS8-ZbC4al8Sps4DPAbFh4glQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Mike! You're on a roll! I'm laughing out loud here, and really think you missed your calling...as a comedian. My short stint in top 40 exposed me to a lot of that stuff. Thank God I never had any interest in trying the "Cremora", but a LOT of my co-workers did. George --- On Wed, 7/2/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} A copyright issue > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 8:48 AM > Anyone who has done time at a radio station knows the truly > indispensible > piece of equipment is the coffee urn. What I could never > figure out was why the > on-air talent at the FM rockers of my day would take their > coffee black with a > snort of powered creamer up each nostril. Maybe it was one > of those voice > enhancement things. > > What was really nice was the record promoters would always > see the Creamora > never ran out. > > Mike > > > ************** > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jul 02 14:43:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72994 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 21:43:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 21:43:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.185) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 21:43:39 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 21:43:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 21:43:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2008 21:43:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:43:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.89.120 From: "Kevin T." Subject: 1450 WCTC is now Oldies in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=llZnH4JCrKhL1hcY3R6HKVmtZaUa4OMGw-4cQOLwOPYwZJuolw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As of 10 AM today, one of the nation's premiere AM Stereo stations,=20 1450 WCTC in New Brunswick, NJ has switched to an Oldies music format=20 using the "Good Time Oldies" satellite service. Some elements of WCTC's long-running News/Talk format will remain:=20 Jack Ellery with locally oriented talk from 6 to 10 AM weekdays,=20 WCTC's top-of-hour local newscasts through the morning until noon,=20 local weather and traffic reports during afternoon drive, and=20 play-by-play broadcasts of Rutgers football and basketball and=20 Somerset Patriots minor league baseball, as well as some locally=20 oriented talk and public affairs programs on the weekends. The satellite DJs sound canned and artificially slick, but at least=20 the music sounds gorgeous in full-separation, full 10 kHz bandwidth=20 C-Quam AM Stereo, as Oldies is perhaps the best musical format to=20 demonstrate the true quality AM Stereo can deliver! I will record=20 and share some high-quality airchecks of WCTC on my Denon TU-680NAB=20 tuner on July 4th for all to hear. WCTC also streams their audio=20 online at www.wctcam.com -- but I'm not sure if their web stream is=20 in stereo; I haven't tried it yet. From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 02 16:16:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83894 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 23:16:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2008 23:16:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 23:16:22 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d04.3708f899 (29672) for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:16:17 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A copyright issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=NJlaZQmAQ60FZdmhx-Il5NZBdP-xxNBacd5HAdENA04KD2zcC4JV-C8CIlkG6eK4 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/2/08 4:41:50 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Mike! You're on a roll! I'm laughing out loud here, and really think you > missed your calling...as a comedian. > I've been channelling Doctor Don Rose. In AM Stereo, none the less. I find the "reception" is alot better when I am off my meds which I haven't gotten around to having filled this month. Storz was virtually payola proof, at least as far as on-air talent. The playlist was on stone tablets blessed by the Sage of Omaha, the one before Warren Buffett, who by the way wouldn't have had enough money to get a record on a air that wouldn't have played anyway. The difference between a Storz playlist and the Ten Commandants was that if you didn't follow the Ten Commandants, you only had God to fear. Mike ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (www.tourtracker.com ?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Jul 02 17:14:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77077 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2008 00:14:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2008 00:14:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2008 00:14:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16865 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2008 00:14:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:14:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:14:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <218874.16581.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} A copyright issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=pj_wLJEOaICKbLPEZ9nvvHg3U7I7EG-DUxr0pfX92VyZSg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Well put! G --- On Wed, 7/2/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} A copyright issue > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 7:16 PM > In a message dated 7/2/08 4:41:50 PM Central Daylight Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com > writes: > > > > Mike! You're on a roll! I'm laughing out loud > here, and really think you > > missed your calling...as a comedian. > > > > I've been channelling Doctor Don Rose. In AM Stereo, > none the less. I find > the "reception" is alot better when I am off my > meds which I haven't gotten > around to having filled this month. > > Storz was virtually payola proof, at least as far as on-air > talent. The > playlist was on stone tablets blessed by the Sage of Omaha, > the one before Warren > Buffett, who by the way wouldn't have had enough money > to get a record on a > air that wouldn't have played anyway. The difference > between a Storz playlist > and the Ten Commandants was that if you didn't follow > the Ten Commandants, you > only had God to fear. > > Mike > > > ************** > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the > live > music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > (www.tourtracker.com > ?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jul 03 01:36:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32051 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2008 08:36:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2008 08:36:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.121) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2008 08:36:25 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2008 08:36:25 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2008 08:36:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2008 08:36:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:36:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.121 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.2.148 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A copyright issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=T8hXGPbSUhBZKPjHl2_IT19im52BiUNWmOuSSlsum3Z-kiSG X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I've been channelling Doctor Don Rose. In AM Stereo, none the less. I find=20 > the "reception" is alot better when I am off my meds which I haven't gotten=20 > around to having filled this month. > I -SO- miss the Good Doctor! :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (If there is a radio heaven, Don Rose is certainly one of its saints.... :) ) From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 03 11:24:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59928 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2008 18:24:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2008 18:24:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2008 18:24:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 67536 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2008 18:24:00 -0000 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 11:24:00 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:24:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <626667.62411.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: A copyright issue? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=7W60ttLPtBJP14grPDnu4GcuD7Q-KZLzyigej14mtoARBIMc8wdQ6WA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio 30 years back in Top40, one DJ had a freakin' brand new REFRIGERATOR on his front door step - no payola here - no money was exchanged. He did just happen to mention to a promoter that his frig was on 'the fritz' and crapped out, and viola - there was a new one from heaven! The frig lasted a lot longer than "Arthur Carlson's Foot Powder" too! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 03 11:28:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27482 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2008 18:28:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2008 18:28:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2008 18:28:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20959 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2008 18:28:14 -0000 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 11:28:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:28:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <171797.20662.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=zVv6SCs5GelotVnSjFGo1U_oC_nHQSTA19q2QyLAUCx_eiekHLw-F7s X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio MJG - the "planthook" ceiling to floor wire antenna looks interesting. Has anyone used this? How well does it work? I was thinking about the slinky deal too, but it sounds like that didn't work so well? Would the planthook wire work better if it was just a coax shield (-insulation)? Jo hn From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jul 03 13:29:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95493 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2008 20:29:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2008 20:29:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2008 20:29:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 95986 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2008 20:29:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:29:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 13:29:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <626667.62411.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <650338.95971.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A copyright issue? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=gcpYoU7FTk4Pl3ykYAX4E00oiJ-u3Vd9o6uHZPc3EQZ7Ew X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Oh man, keep it up guys, you're cheerin' me up big time! Actually, I think all these fine folks who served in the business should recount thier funniest stories, for a book...I'D sure buy a copy! When I worked in a station back before the Grand Canyon formed, we had a small card file box sitting on top of the record rack. For the longest time it never occured to me to look inside. When I finally did, I suddenly realized there was a whole lot more than records and carts getting played at night in that studio! (Won't say what they were, as there are ladies reading this, you guys can figure it out I'm sure.) Seems a lady record promoter was prone to schedule late night, uh, "business meetings" with the DJ. Guess that's why we kept finding half-hour tapes on ye olde Ampex. Most un-forgettable moment was at a little college station in Springfield Ohio. I was sent next door to the studio to see if we could get to the back of the patchbay. When I asked what was going on in that room, and would I likely disturb anybody, the PD said, "nah, some kind of meeting, but they are very nice guys"...found out later he actually said a word that rhymed with "very". Dumb hick that I was, I'd never heard of such organizations on college campuses before, and the shock was not quickly gotten over! Turns out there was no access to the patchbay...this was just a prank played on all new arrivals. I never worked another college after that. George --- On Thu, 7/3/08, John P. wrote: > From: John P. > Subject: {AMSF} Re: A copyright issue? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 2:24 PM > 30 years back in Top40, one DJ had a freakin' brand new > REFRIGERATOR on his front door step - no payola here - no > money was exchanged. He did just happen to mention to a > promoter that his frig was on 'the fritz' and > crapped out, and viola - there was a new one from heaven! > The frig lasted a lot longer than "Arthur > Carlson's Foot Powder" too! From jon@kenneke.com Thu Jul 03 14:54:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon@kenneke.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47962 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2008 21:54:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2008 21:54:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO kenneke.com) (65.103.64.194) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2008 21:54:55 -0000 X-Received: from kenneke.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m63Lstqv024008 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:54:55 -0700 X-Received: from localhost (jon@localhost) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id m63LstMR024005 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:54:55 -0700 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:54:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.7.4 (kenneke.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:54:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 65.103.64.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jon Subject: FS: Sony SRF-AX15 AMS receiver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77819664; y=6oHAGqthbqlLFaMl-elmpTbq4wu7it7f1IcZT4m_4ohHdFq9wg X-Yahoo-Profile: jonkenneke The is a handheld Sony that has been used about 2 times. In excellent condition. Make me an offer! Jon From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 03 16:57:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54033 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2008 23:57:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2008 23:57:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2008 23:57:38 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id r.d08.3a9d5acf (39953); Thu, 3 Jul 2008 19:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 19:57:10 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: MJGRANT@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=8PJn0uxgS9Cs3yuxq5EdOK3-LWuhrKnVySn0uUfUeky8OdM73elEQ0JXSOWXM3sw X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, I've been working on a "standard antenna" in conjunction with getting Part 15 acceptance for my AMS transmitter. I've tried alot of configurations, including the ceiling to floor wire antenna. The shortcoming of indoor antennas is getting an acceptable ground. In my house, the center screw of the outlets is just an extension of the ground wire in the NM cable feeding them. All of the antennas I tried behave much differently using such a ground. You can use a Slinky suspended from the plant hanger. I used fishing line to do a tri-point suspension from the last couple of coils at ends to the anchors. I used nylon which appeared to be an adequate insulator. You have to chrimp the feed wire onto the Slinky as it will not solder. The required tuning inductance is less than a single wire. At BCB frequencies, it appears to function as a "fat" monopole rather than any kind of helical antenna. Esthetically, if you have the decor to pass it off as a piece of modern art, it might be suitable. The single wire is alot more discrete. The wire gauge doesn't seem to be critical. I had some 18 ga. black stranded Teflon hookwire, so that was what I used. The impedance I measured using a test oscillator and broadband AC meter was around 92 ohms using the center screw of one of the wall outlets in my living room. In the basement using the washing machine outlet which has a dedicated ground connected by a short length of 12 ga. solid copper wire to a cold water pipe, it was more like 69 ohms and needed the tuning reactance re-adjusted. These tests were done at 1.7 Mhz. Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jul 03 17:50:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10837 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 00:50:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 00:50:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 00:50:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2008 00:50:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2008 00:50:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:50:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <650338.95971.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.2.148 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: A copyright issue? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=lnjOpQcyNp2Fm_pMFw0EpR4smKLF6yLqrpba_QWB51rrhNhh X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Oh man, keep it up guys, you're cheerin' me up big time! > Actually, I think all these fine folks who served in the business should recount thier funniest stories, for a book...I'D sure buy a copy! I think a few have..... =20 > When I worked in a station back before the Grand Canyon formed, we had a small card file box sitting on top of the record rack. For the longest time it never occured to me to look inside. When I finally did, I suddenly realized there was a whole lot more than records and carts getting played at night in that studio! (Won't say what they were, as there are ladies reading this, you guys can figure it out I'm sure.) > Seems a lady record promoter was prone to schedule late night, uh, "business meetings" with the DJ. Guess that's why we kept finding > half-hour tapes on ye olde Ampex. Balloon animal practice, perhaps? *giggle* ;) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Jul 03 17:53:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93117 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 00:53:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 00:53:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 00:53:15 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.242] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080703195247100290000010> for ; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:52:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005901c8dd70$a8bb9340$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <171797.20662.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:52:47 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=xZVvsCyYnzQhtE5ysH-JCvsxGsElFXOdz8BmUvsxZ3iCc5kOLkZn X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My guess is it would require radically different tuning than a straight piece of wire. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I was thinking about the slinky deal too, but it sounds like that didn't work so well? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jul 03 17:55:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60607 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 00:55:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 00:55:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 00:55:28 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2008 00:55:28 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2008 00:55:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2008 00:55:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:55:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.2.148 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: FS: Sony SRF-AX15 AMS receiver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=-WWWomnkzjGkiZl8bIM__QSGuImZ8GSWxuHVn84PWwQOdt7a X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, jon wrote: > >=20 > The is a handheld Sony that has been used about 2 times. In excellent > condition. >=20 > Make me an offer! Just hope no-one buys it more than what it's sold for on Audiocubes... about $65+s&h, I think? Amy. <:3 )~~8~~ (I wouldn't mind one- Love to have a decent pocket AMS, but....this ain't a good $$ month for the mousie... :( ) From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 03 18:21:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80176 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 01:21:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 01:21:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 01:21:50 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c5f.36959400 (14501) for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:21:40 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=_UF7HW9BS5BGGyV9ZEqVmhribkvkney_-Hq0HpizOr6-aVYE5rQm23J8smF28HcD X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, The Slinky seems to just have more capacitance and requires somewhat less cancelling inductance. The tuning is not as sharp which suggests a lower Q. Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 03 18:25:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79394 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 01:25:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 01:25:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 01:25:18 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c4e.37b4e4e5 (14501) for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:24:48 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FS: Sony SRF-AX15 AMS receiver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=H5QJXxtnhVBxxJQs86FCMhUyoEQxOCRilNsL1q2ySxAI9TlBST52kEm6JrULRwXj X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/3/08 7:55:48 PM Central Daylight Time, amymousie@yahoo.com writes: > Love to have a decent pocket AMS, but....this > ain't a good $$ month for the mousie... :( ) > Nor for the Mikey. Gas, food, and prescription drugs are quickly reducing my disposable income to zero. Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 03 18:36:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16747 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 01:36:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 01:36:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 01:36:29 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c96.284c51f6 (14501) for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:36:20 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=P3LmjJwsIf-FkP0Ixdnxp6Yswl-6zhOxldLNt9g7GodRs2cumjXWYJFWzKhyFJOv X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hank, If you are still using the SSTran, it has a built-in tuning network to accommodation a simple floor to ceiling wire without any external components. Very thoughtful of them. So all you need is a ceiling pot hanger, small anchor, and about 10 ft. of wire. Except for the wire, I got everything at Wally Mart. The PVC insulated wire in the automotive department would also work. You just need to free hang the anchor for a day or so to get the coil out of the wire. See how that works and then try the Slinky instead of the wire. I don't know how generous the SSTran folks were in what their tuning network can accommodate. Don't use good diagnonals to cut the Slinky. I trashed a premium pair of Xcelites with only a couple of cuts. Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Thu Jul 03 19:25:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22395 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 02:25:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 02:25:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.210) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 02:25:25 -0000 X-Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mail.aol.com [172.18.157.197]) by imr-m08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-4486d8a0c85; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:25:16 -0400 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bb8.3000155f (37108) for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 22:25:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from HankSmithPC (s10.trico.az.wi-power.com [198.36.144.10]) by cia-db08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB086-90f4486d89fc390; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:25:04 -0400 Message-ID: <0D383F59824442DBB660F2FEE1FA5F76@HankSmithPC> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 19:24:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-AOL-IP: 172.18.157.197 X-Spam-Flag:YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=WCTZOftVRXme5-717hgIYw3qwr6iepSXcerDmw2ZBypuw2wdPbmC X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello I am using the sstran for a back up unit I now have the transmitter that sotteris cells good unit that is what I am trying to get a antanna for wanted to get the sstran in am stereo but the developer was unable to impliment it other then that that transmitter is a good rig as well served me well for over 2 years and is still going strong ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:36 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas Hank, If you are still using the SSTran, it has a built-in tuning network to accommodation a simple floor to ceiling wire without any external components. Very thoughtful of them. So all you need is a ceiling pot hanger, small anchor, and about 10 ft. of wire. Except for the wire, I got everything at Wally Mart. The PVC insulated wire in the automotive department would also work. You just need to free hang the anchor for a day or so to get the coil out of the wire. See how that works and then try the Slinky instead of the wire. I don't know how generous the SSTran folks were in what their tuning network can accommodate. Don't use good diagnonals to cut the Slinky. I trashed a premium pair of Xcelites with only a couple of cuts. Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Thu Jul 03 19:28:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16933 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 02:28:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 02:28:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 02:28:22 -0000 X-Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.228]) by imr-d01.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN7-8486d8a68347; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:26:48 -0400 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c88.2ed4caa9 (37079) for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 22:26:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from HankSmithPC (s10.trico.az.wi-power.com [198.36.144.10]) by cia-db06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB061-90d7486d8a6014e; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:26:41 -0400 Message-ID: <500B48851C7647599104DF030CDB2D74@HankSmithPC> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 19:26:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-AOL-IP: 172.18.150.228 X-Spam-Flag:YES X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FS: Sony SRF-AX15 AMS receiver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=tHWkW2h6JyvV7cBGyPrP1H63131XfEjMwxXBxylDSqVcF44Ww8_M X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit join the club am also running in to medicine issues myself and am having a hell of a time getting mine filled in arizona where I am staying currently am fighting medicade what a pain in the you know what anyways I may have to pay full price for mine so i hear you there ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FS: Sony SRF-AX15 AMS receiver In a message dated 7/3/08 7:55:48 PM Central Daylight Time, amymousie@yahoo.com writes: > Love to have a decent pocket AMS, but....this > ain't a good $$ month for the mousie... :( ) > Nor for the Mikey. Gas, food, and prescription drugs are quickly reducing my disposable income to zero. Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Thu Jul 03 19:33:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 753 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 02:33:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 02:33:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.210) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 02:33:33 -0000 X-Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mail.aol.com [172.18.157.197]) by imr-m08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN10-b486d8bfa1c3; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:33:30 -0400 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d02.384a7f16 (37083) for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 22:33:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from HankSmithPC (s10.trico.az.wi-power.com [198.36.144.10]) by cia-db06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB065-90db486d8bf7164; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:33:28 -0400 Message-ID: To: Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 19:33:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-AOL-IP: 172.18.157.197 X-Spam-Flag:YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: question about fm relays in tucson az X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=IGRwLX0JRn9TFuZBxD7IpqkY3gdiiiPGAb7MHLVMlh7X_OMNaN6n X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 hello as I stated in last email I am staying in az currently temperarly will be moving permently to tucson az in september from olympia wa anyways something I observed on fm at least and most likely am is that tucson has several relays for the same station eg kfma is on 92.1 and 101.3 there classical station is on think its 89.1 and one other station close to it am going off of memory didn't have a sighted person to help me look at my moms car radio then we have a country station that is also on 2 different frequencies and one other station does this, not counting klove, and air1 christian stations all over the place 89.9 88.1, 1100.5, 100.9, 105.5, 102.3 and I am sure other places when going from marana az where my parents are at to tucson witch is roughly 30 minutes buy car away I am noticing the relays all threw out the area any ideas why? I have never scene anything quite like this the am has tons of nastelga stuff on it as well is it just the area, or are those relays as well? the am reception is poor out here for some odd reason so am having trouble telling exactly what is going on on that end. thanks Hank From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jul 03 20:55:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57995 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 03:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 03:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 03:55:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30051 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jul 2008 03:55:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:55:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 20:55:56 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <832978.28925.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A copyright issue? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=L32SbMxgWvJDNAGfj5iIWivxvR9zmJQWjjpS-DTa0FDxuw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 AMY! I'm blushing! G --- On Thu, 7/3/08, Amy Mousie wrote: > From: Amy Mousie > Subject: {AMSF} Re: A copyright issue? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 8:50 PM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > wrote: > > > > Oh man, keep it up guys, you're cheerin' me up > big time! > > Actually, I think all these fine folks who served in > the business > should recount thier funniest stories, for a book...I'D > sure buy a copy! > > > I think a few have..... > > > When I worked in a station back before the Grand > Canyon formed, we > had a small card file box sitting on top of the record > rack. For the > longest time it never occured to me to look inside. When I > finally > did, I suddenly realized there was a whole lot more than > records and > carts getting played at night in that studio! (Won't > say what they > were, as there are ladies reading this, you guys can figure > it out I'm > sure.) > > Seems a lady record promoter was prone to schedule > late night, uh, > "business meetings" with the DJ. Guess that's > why we kept finding > > half-hour tapes on ye olde Ampex. > > Balloon animal practice, perhaps? *giggle* ;) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jul 03 20:59:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3877 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 03:59:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 03:59:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 03:59:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17624 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jul 2008 03:59:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:59:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 20:59:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <199343.17301.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FS: Sony SRF-AX15 AMS receiver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=NwIGOz8-mMMlwn1W2jJwvFjiV7V00Bo68Mu_Qn01LJDHvA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 At least they are prescription, or you would be well BELOW $0... --- On Thu, 7/3/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FS: Sony SRF-AX15 AMS receiver > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 9:24 PM > In a message dated 7/3/08 7:55:48 PM Central Daylight Time, > amymousie@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Love to have a decent pocket AMS, but....this > > ain't a good $$ month for the mousie... :( ) > > > > Nor for the Mikey. Gas, food, and prescription drugs are > quickly reducing my > disposable income to zero. > > Mike > > > ************** > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jul 03 21:04:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47543 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 04:04:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 04:04:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 04:04:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24384 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jul 2008 04:04:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:04:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:04:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <970685.19603.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=97wpYIymJ75Wn6__sZzdkhS_Wa3Aq_M3-b5ThGnP2Z8HwQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 How about this: get enough PVC tubing to reach from the floor to the ceiling, wind 1/2 wavelength of wire (minus some for obvious high inductance and distributed capacitance), and center-feed it? No ground required then? Still not a tower, but don't 1/2 wave dipoles tune nicely? I was going to make a 30-foot portable mini-tower that way, never got around to it, though George --- On Thu, 7/3/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 9:36 PM > Hank, > > If you are still using the SSTran, it has a built-in tuning > network to > accommodation a simple floor to ceiling wire without any > external components. Very > thoughtful of them. > > So all you need is a ceiling pot hanger, small anchor, and > about 10 ft. of > wire. Except for the wire, I got everything at Wally Mart. > The PVC insulated > wire in the automotive department would also work. You > just need to free hang > the anchor for a day or so to get the coil out of the wire. > See how that > works and then try the Slinky instead of the wire. I > don't know how generous the > SSTran folks were in what their tuning network can > accommodate. > > Don't use good diagnonals to cut the Slinky. I trashed > a premium pair of > Xcelites with only a couple of cuts. > > Mike > > > > ************** > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Jul 03 21:09:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72817 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 04:09:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 04:09:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.221) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 04:09:26 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2008 04:09:19 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.67] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2008 04:09:25 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp419.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2008 04:09:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 775478.60451.bm@omp419.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 15108 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 04:09:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.193.238 with plain) by smtp126.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 04:09:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iFEcWZQVM1m1aK4pCcR_9vMIKTsRgrD7FepljAV.lr9Wmj977i_rOzcyhSeXLv4gNCiUM1jXL4p6U_JL8QV_ylAwV51unHmXR0oWs4znavI_jVYLK0Cwwnl2ppxjtauONQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7F016DA6-2FD5-4A2E-9C38-123E2EF12B4F@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 23:09:23 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, hank smith X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} question about fm relays in tucson az X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=OMVJCE7fw7rDwFQTDkX04nNtQnQFcQSmYbmbZTaeZHY27-J8OQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > when going from marana az where my parents are at to tucson witch > is roughly > 30 minutes buy car away I am noticing the relays all threw out the > area > any ideas why? Too many mountains with areas that can't get a signal from the main station. Kevin From ke7ief@aol.com Thu Jul 03 22:36:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30148 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 05:36:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 05:36:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 05:36:01 -0000 X-Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mail.aol.com [172.20.107.70]) by imr-d01.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN8-9486db69e37e; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:35:26 -0400 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c34.379ae40d (34968) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:35:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from HankSmithPC (s10.trico.az.wi-power.com [198.36.144.10]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA075-8898486db694387; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:35:21 -0400 Message-ID: To: References: <970685.19603.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <970685.19603.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 22:35:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.107.70 X-Spam-Flag:YES X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=k7GeuLcGQZuP4OgvVZXSztSvlBdT-tdbXWHYIkMztstdYAd3d9P4 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit that would be a really easy antanna to ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 9:04 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas How about this: get enough PVC tubing to reach from the floor to the ceiling, wind 1/2 wavelength of wire (minus some for obvious high inductance and distributed capacitance), and center-feed it? No ground required then? Still not a tower, but don't 1/2 wave dipoles tune nicely? I was going to make a 30-foot portable mini-tower that way, never got around to it, though George --- On Thu, 7/3/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 9:36 PM > Hank, > > If you are still using the SSTran, it has a built-in tuning > network to > accommodation a simple floor to ceiling wire without any > external components. Very > thoughtful of them. > > So all you need is a ceiling pot hanger, small anchor, and > about 10 ft. of > wire. Except for the wire, I got everything at Wally Mart. > The PVC insulated > wire in the automotive department would also work. You > just need to free hang > the anchor for a day or so to get the coil out of the wire. > See how that > works and then try the Slinky instead of the wire. I > don't know how generous the > SSTran folks were in what their tuning network can > accommodate. > > Don't use good diagnonals to cut the Slinky. I trashed > a premium pair of > Xcelites with only a couple of cuts. > > Mike > > > > ************** > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 03 22:39:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10458 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 05:39:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 05:39:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 05:39:42 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bd7.34db172a (41811) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:39:34 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=rZ0hK4SCIX8y_638YdaXCgJeQCJCuD51BPgBz1bHj9G-UA3121ILjcU8L3RRAOvf X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Sortoris transmitter works into 50 ohms, not a 3 meter length of wire. You will need something to match it. Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Thu Jul 03 22:42:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85249 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 05:42:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 05:42:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 05:42:08 -0000 X-Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mail.aol.com [172.20.107.71]) by imr-d01.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN5-6486db7e7286; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:40:55 -0400 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bfe.3f5edb51 (34969) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:40:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from HankSmithPC (s10.trico.az.wi-power.com [198.36.144.10]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA076-8899486db7db25; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:40:51 -0400 Message-ID: <9E0BF483F29645B6AE01812F47398D38@HankSmithPC> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 22:40:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.107.71 X-Spam-Flag:YES X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=1wc9TnwbIKLeX09bdcBDd_MVPSUvE5ZeY0gnqDc52rvJ_40JFCCw X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit any recommendations? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:39 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas The Sortoris transmitter works into 50 ohms, not a 3 meter length of wire. You will need something to match it. Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 03 22:48:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46761 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 05:48:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 05:48:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 05:48:22 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cce.3347e3ee (41811) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:48:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:48:19 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=FKtV_BA8-Fw3rrUt7G2Wd1AqsK4gsN830f4EXDTvgoMK7jWuKsVaMLfV_GsqF1cr X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What you are talking about is a helical antenna. Unfortunately, because the lateral length of the antenna is so short, it doesn't perform that way. It tends to behave like a regular short monopole of the same diameter as the helical. Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 03 22:51:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75393 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 05:51:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 05:51:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 05:51:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c42.36b3e0f0 (41811) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:51:54 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=MkpeVn2HmYEKY6zaIa_EUGZ4zpW7oo0vUX-YH00Zc_ZVJ0-MoY_7PtFi3TQVas8f X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It will resonate, but won't radiate, at least far field. That's the problem. Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 03 22:52:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32779 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 05:52:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 05:52:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 05:52:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c33.30893b65 (41811) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:52:41 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=fEuj4P6_N9AD-HJYaF8OFYQvAJE9vl2pDdyefMfOePEQDwsUUkx_3Eakze0BT85m X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting enough, there is a parallel dialog exactly the same as this one going on in another forum. Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jul 04 00:40:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77838 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 07:40:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 07:40:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.253) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 07:40:44 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2008 07:40:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2008 07:40:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2008 07:40:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 07:40:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.253 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.2.148 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Rj9lEHc3shX9-xfPOJynnt1aOmNMkkcdElQc5vtURF7bA37D X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > The Sortoris transmitter works into 50 ohms, not a 3 meter length of wire.=20=20 > You will need something to match it. Minor gripe, if I may, but that's SOTIRIS- Two I's, one O. Good Greek name from one of the true good guys of AMS. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (That's been bugging me for a while... :( ) From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Jul 04 08:28:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57812 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 15:28:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 15:28:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 15:28:56 -0000 X-Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mail.aol.com [172.20.107.69]) by imr-d01.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN4-5486e417c212; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:27:56 -0400 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c14.3f2f1488 (37072) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 11:27:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from HankSmithPC (s10.trico.az.wi-power.com [198.36.144.10]) by cia-db05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB056-90d0486e417434; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:27:51 -0400 Message-ID: <592918AAF4CF439BA795886A3139A704@HankSmithPC> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:27:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.107.69 X-Spam-Flag:YES X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=vsZng7hxIIol8XEIGPYG2XOhKvo2FhP-v6gjuWiDOtIKF5APzdr4 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry for the miss spelling my screen reader says it differently so was going buy how it pronounced his name thanks for correcting the spelling for me. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:40 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > The Sortoris transmitter works into 50 ohms, not a 3 meter length of wire. > You will need something to match it. Minor gripe, if I may, but that's SOTIRIS- Two I's, one O. Good Greek name from one of the true good guys of AMS. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (That's been bugging me for a while... :( ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Jul 04 08:30:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33309 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 15:30:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 15:30:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 15:30:11 -0000 X-Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.227]) by imr-d01.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN6-7486e419b305; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:28:27 -0400 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c0b.37e71b95 (37109) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 11:28:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from HankSmithPC (s10.trico.az.wi-power.com [198.36.144.10]) by cia-db08.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB087-90f5486e418d171; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:28:15 -0400 Message-ID: <737422C1694B4A30AADF31214E008A1F@HankSmithPC> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:28:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-AOL-IP: 172.18.150.227 X-Spam-Flag:YES X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=rUjP0omYyXuAvMGjXKucRjnBH0UMQHut30ph7CrXr08b-DoioAEC X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what forum? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:52 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas Interesting enough, there is a parallel dialog exactly the same as this one going on in another forum. Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jul 04 12:01:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36814 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 19:01:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 19:01:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 19:01:00 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c6c.299d80ba (65098) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:00:53 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=YqgUmkUEftLMzLnuJt-TpaSRtW_ORJURrnm23FDAyNhTvCQAYP_TqU-lE6CxYjLx X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/4/08 10:29:32 AM Central Daylight Time, ke7ief@aol.com writes: > sorry for the miss spelling > my screen reader says it differently so was going buy how it pronounced his > name > thanks for correcting the spelling for me. > Hank > I believe Amy's comments were directed at me. I don't have an excuse, except age. At least I can spell Socrotis and Ploto correctly. Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jul 04 12:08:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51366 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 19:08:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 19:08:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 19:08:28 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c32.30f01e81 (65098) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:08:22 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=IuenuIx75p2eegoWCDKOWNntoBfzO97MoQZsCVqWHuWop4Q-4E6urEQaf1JjepvA X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/4/08 10:30:31 AM Central Daylight Time, ke7ief@aol.com writes: > what forum? part15.us/node/1713 I thought that HAD to be you. If not, the must be parallel universe. Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jul 04 12:14:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37511 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 19:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 19:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 19:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d1c.29506374 (65098) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:14:33 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=FCR04iKoq4QqdjhScNbjw-8HwLapyg9gxwTOFRRBgihxMoXG20T5V9S_Rgc6-nmr X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/4/08 2:41:05 AM Central Daylight Time, amymousie@yahoo.com writes: > Good Greek name In Athens, Alexander paid a visit to Diogenes, who lived with dogs in an abandoned wine cask. Alexander greatly admired the famous Cynic and sought out his humble wisdom. "What may I do for you, Diogenes?" asked the ruler of known world. "You may step aside as you are blocking my light." replied Diogenes. All I really remember from Philosophy 101. Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Jul 04 12:40:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41616 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2008 19:40:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2008 19:40:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.210) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2008 19:40:39 -0000 X-Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mail.aol.com [172.20.107.70]) by imr-m08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN7-8486e7ca534c; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:40:21 -0400 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cf5.312a536d (37096) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:40:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from HankSmithPC (s10.trico.az.wi-power.com [198.36.144.10]) by cia-db07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB076-90e8486e7c9b392; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:40:17 -0400 Message-ID: <79D18192247D4365822E2AFCA2E9D4B8@HankSmithPC> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:40:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.107.70 X-Spam-Flag:YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=Uv-VPYDtkuzdnJQdPAaukL1Ve_3FhC0Yg0gZ50m9rtTHzeAc6ejp X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did't post in that forum haven't for ages ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:08 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas In a message dated 7/4/08 10:30:31 AM Central Daylight Time, ke7ief@aol.com writes: > what forum? part15.us/node/1713 I thought that HAD to be you. If not, the must be parallel universe. Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Jul 06 14:47:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45074 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2008 21:47:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2008 21:47:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2008 21:47:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1182 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jul 2008 21:47:04 -0000 X-Received: from [72.241.177.103] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:47:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 14:47:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <555734.925.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: question about fm relays in tucson az X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=3qk-6kIMdHqLsz7Nnwvn1avFIpdRLNYnE-P9Jq-J2vx88OiuoDzx8go X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kevin R - aren't you just leaving Arizona, and Hank is moving to AZ from Washington? As far as the relays, I would think the crappy ground conductance of sand would make AM skywaves for crap. J From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Jul 06 15:14:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1953 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2008 22:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2008 22:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.24) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2008 22:14:19 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n32.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2008 22:14:19 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.240] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2008 22:14:19 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp401.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2008 22:14:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 676591.54180.bm@omp401.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 86978 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2008 22:14:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.199.100 with plain) by smtp118.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2008 22:14:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tbRp01QVM1mQhJ8lzmg3CaQKsiCDPAjJxNsQ5M_W6P7AqC39vjfFXQE0jAFVppmFnod5Cuaq.cKWfUT6rDpvhZPxh2hNypeOYjRsWXKGTXtHa7689DwlHj0UFJ0x5UYJ7w-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <555734.925.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <555734.925.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <653DCD32-14D9-4BD1-894B-A6A260AB80E6@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:14:16 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: question about fm relays in tucson az X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=BVRCrcrW8CzXLKbNlWZLhsSl-OAJLSwPMrLtlgSJGKOgSN5DUA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Jul 6, 2008, at 4:47 PM, John P. wrote: > Kevin R - aren't you just leaving Arizona I'm in Tennessee. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jul 06 16:17:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19071 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2008 23:17:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2008 23:17:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2008 23:17:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26541 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jul 2008 23:17:51 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.105] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:17:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 16:17:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <555734.925.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <197050.26300.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: question about fm relays in tucson az X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=rZzsTaVDAuh96q0_4AOmho0OvRFkukHkO6A43QKDO8o X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin has been there in Tennessee almost a month now.=A0 Poor soil conducti= vity does not affect skywave, just the groundwave, or not like you think or= no one would ever hear WSB at all at night. Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 7/6/08, John P. wrote: Kevin R - aren't you just leaving Arizona, and Hank is moving to AZ from Washington? As far as the relays, I would think the crappy ground conductance of sand w= ould make AM skywaves for crap. J [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jul 06 20:36:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87751 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2008 03:36:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2008 03:36:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2008 03:36:06 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c96.28830ce9 (65098) for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 23:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 23:36:04 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: question about fm relays in tucson az X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=J6zbYp_PWP7pexx5cpJfYb_VemX5MGzYsGxkPa7d_WcpTqt7fctdFcguq8kvWy2v X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/6/08 6:18:01 PM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > Poor soil conductivity does not affect skywave, just the groundwave, or not > like you think or no one would ever hear WSB at all at night. > In principle, or at least how the regs used to calculate the 500uV/m skywave contour, it's only dependent on field intensity at 1 mile. Not frequency nor ground conductivity. As Powells say, that's only to approximate theoretical daytime groundwave contours. With that said, anyone who believes ionospheric propagation is the same for 540 as it is at 1,700 khz must live on another planet with a different ionosphere. As to ground conductivity effecting skywave coverage need only look at how the mighty WLS's skywave coverage has fallen off with changing ground conditions at and around Tinsley Park. Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jul 06 20:55:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59747 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2008 03:55:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2008 03:55:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2008 03:55:32 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d00.35ab1f8c (65098) for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 23:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 23:55:29 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ChfKnBsoC-jn8LvxRlmAQnFpkOpYBYz8vdZUem7CxrkaTrDmTWsU7bK6oP4Qif_q X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/4/08 12:42:32 AM Central Daylight Time, ke7ief@aol.com writes: > any recommendations? > I believe you need a low power antenna tuner to match the 3-meter wire to the 50 ohm output of the Sotiris xmtr. Basically, a tunable PI network. I would think there would be enough of a demand for one, that our friend would offer it at least as an accessory. I am reluctant to work one up because I don't know what the output stage of Sotiris's xmtr looks like, how tolerant it is of mismatch (during tuning), and what kind of protection it has. It doesn't seem to have socketed components, which would make for easy field repair. Because it is a high value device, I would be afraid of damaging it. Sotiris approach is solid good engineering practice. I would design the xmtr to have a 50 ohm output and then a tuner to match it to the antenna. Makes testing alot easier and mating to other equipment in non-Part 15 applications easier. Remember, his are worldclass units, not just for the U.S.. As for socketed components, that's harder and harder to do as thru-hole components become ever increasingly rare. Mike Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Jul 06 23:50:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19575 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2008 06:50:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2008 06:50:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.104) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2008 06:50:34 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2008 06:50:34 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2008 06:50:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2008 06:50:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 06:50:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.19.216 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=KwxS6AG-Rbv-7GylaT3JSW26Q5fBmoU3d2f_pmQJtySElSNs X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie An antenna tuner for Part 15? You could always try these guys: http://www.miracleantenna.com/ I have one of their units, the Miracle Ducker IL, and have had good results on receivers, and it's designed to take a few watts of TX power. :) Expensive puppies, but worth it. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jul 07 06:42:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14956 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2008 13:42:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2008 13:42:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2008 13:42:39 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d2a.2a1dfad3 (29678) for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:42:31 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=CfCJXZ5tCBqUOcOyZXdydr4a8mos10zrJLYFF37CUE2g308tSrK3a7amkhJPZ5F3 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does it tune the BCB on Tx? Forgive the ill-formed, but what is a "rubber duck" outside the context of a bathtub? Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 06:49:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10319 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2008 13:49:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2008 13:49:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2008 13:49:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 99562 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2008 13:49:03 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.7] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 06:49:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 06:49:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <603506.99176.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=iZPjwM2IO-0cFzOZjgx_XjJpRfo9rB3qezZP8SM49v4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A rubber duck(ie) is an antenna that's short and flexible for use on VHF and UHF hand helds. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 06:50:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8846 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2008 13:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2008 13:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.125.208) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2008 13:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n10.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2008 06:40:44 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.68] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2008 13:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2008 13:50:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 176291.79864.bm@omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 6863 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2008 13:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.199.100 with plain) by smtp121.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2008 13:50:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: X58j4AwVM1kB6gM44wQ.Sk6LmWymuBk746kdL.jfzA.2Fy3UsU..J2dl4KwQr7e2T5bH41Fnm2.PXWDjpSM366M6V86jr_4PxEU8TOryMx2T2aqkRxTOCnWV6bSkmclyVXyAXrR8IK1xMUw0aynM X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <06C8EECF-20AB-40AA-B874-B40B95ACC6C3@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 08:50:34 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.125.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=jy_gm4DZLiN8uVH9UBeYqv_YfWm0cfZ_AWnOOdYG4RcFd94JQA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Jul 7, 2008, at 8:42 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Does it tune the BCB on Tx? Forgive the ill-formed, but what is a > "rubber > duck" outside the context of a bathtub? A rubber duck is a short flexible antenna coated with rubber often used on a 2 meter radio, scanner, or CB. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 07:03:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92478 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2008 14:03:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2008 14:03:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2008 14:03:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10431 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2008 14:03:00 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.7] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 07:03:00 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 07:03:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <06C8EECF-20AB-40AA-B874-B40B95ACC6C3@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <420699.9614.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Rubber Duckie thread X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=6vVwnYfQN6TumMjcHogDBP7DWukhG5_VT-_kjQHLm14 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh geez! Now the Muppet song Rubber Duckie is running through my head...... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 07 07:37:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14639 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2008 14:37:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2008 14:37:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2008 14:37:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13448 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2008 14:37:31 -0000 X-Received: from [72.241.177.103] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 07:37:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 07:37:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <981404.12331.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=_MSzqNPnFRyjlxuXb5EjtecfGPP0iV41truuz9UvBxZmSXDmGgJ08kI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio How about a 4:1 balun - 50ohm coax to the balun and then the antenna leads off of that - or do you lose too much in the network that way? From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Jul 07 10:22:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39257 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2008 17:22:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2008 17:22:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2008 17:22:52 -0000 X-Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mail.aol.com [172.18.157.196]) by imr-d01.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN8-948724fe61d1; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:18:30 -0400 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d4c.2500fa02 (34945) for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:18:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from HankSmithPC (s10.trico.az.wi-power.com [198.36.144.10]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA056-888148724fd2ff; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:18:11 -0400 Message-ID: <10529C72DFE242618284EAFB3E3AD8B6@HankSmithPC> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:18:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-AOL-IP: 172.18.157.196 X-Spam-Flag:YES X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=4_e6Rta1XNbZwFAPw5RLecpDOIt8lrsttgG5CZhUvcR1kZwB1BGc X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit tx power? that the same for transmit? ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 11:50 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas An antenna tuner for Part 15? You could always try these guys: http://www.miracleantenna.com/ I have one of their units, the Miracle Ducker IL, and have had good results on receivers, and it's designed to take a few watts of TX power. :) Expensive puppies, but worth it. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jul 07 14:13:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22993 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2008 21:13:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2008 21:13:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2008 21:13:37 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c9d.292c6053 (29672) for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:13:29 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=09zEiIeLMYbGl884cgshW74L9bd2yhv3uTdm4kJ9XUOua9vzMyHtuYvWKt646jLL X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's not really clear from the specifications, but I believe the unit receives down through the BCB, but will not tune for transmit that low. Mike ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Jul 08 04:37:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72188 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2008 11:37:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2008 11:37:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.128) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2008 11:37:30 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2008 11:37:30 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2008 11:37:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2008 11:37:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:37:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.37.195.197 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: wttf: Telos Audioactive Standalone Mp3 encoder box X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=6-Gi9YmUs2aTJXnYCWRZyzXPWRaiaqPCWxnYyzpGMUbq X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I have a Harris AMS-G1 with pdf manual to trade for one of these boxes. No i don't want barix boxes or any of the peecee garbage floating=20 around. i want the audioactive rackmount box with balanced inputs on it. thanks, Rev. Chrysafis pic's of the harris available on request. From wnmb@sc.rr.com Thu Jul 10 08:43:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42307 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2008 15:43:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2008 15:43:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.135) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2008 15:43:41 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2008 15:43:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2008 15:43:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2008 15:43:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:43:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.63.227.62 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: AM 1000 transmitter for sale. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=I6wnONOVf0aDNVq8KQfim01UvJ1L8SHTkcszGK_iE6jqYA X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Hey folks, if anyone is looking for a 1 kw transmitter for parts,=20 Harris SX-1, we are selling one. It's control section was fried by=20 lightning. Everything else is ok. here's a link to the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=3D1&item=3D160260057435&ssPageName=3DSTRK:MESE:IT&ih=3D006 We contine to broadcast in AM Stereo. We are now doing so with a new=20 transmitter. come visit in North Myrtle Beach. Bill. wnmb From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jul 10 09:35:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10804 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2008 16:35:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2008 16:35:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2008 16:35:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38498 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jul 2008 16:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:35:31 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:35:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <606538.37659.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM 1000 transmitter for sale. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=vuILSWe228mOCR3_oJgbMZM-Ngobqnv_c2uigfkqk08 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So what did you get? BE? =A0 Powell up the hill in Newberry, SC=20 NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Bill Norman wrote: From: Bill Norman Subject: {AMSF} AM 1000 transmitter for sale. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 11:43 AM Hey folks, if anyone is looking for a 1 kw transmitter for parts,=20 Harris SX-1, we are selling one. It's control section was fried by=20 lightning. Everything else is ok. here's a link to the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&rd=3D1&item=3D160260057435&ssPageName=3DSTRK:MESE:IT&ih=3D006 We contine to broadcast in AM Stereo. We are now doing so with a new=20 transmitter. come visit in North Myrtle Beach. Bill. wnmb ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jul 10 15:32:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24106 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2008 22:32:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2008 22:32:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2008 22:32:57 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2008 22:32:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2008 22:32:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2008 22:32:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:32:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.19.216 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: AM 1000 transmitter for sale. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=nosOpB3Hr3fMcKegJJwinr7x0DFtqi3MA6_88uAL9jvbpjPU X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > We contine to broadcast in AM Stereo. We are now doing so with a new=20 > transmitter. YES!!! *happy mouse dance* > come visit in North Myrtle Beach. Bill. wnmb A shame you're too far away- I couldn't afford to travel if I wanted to. :(=20 The west coast needs stereo AMers like you..... :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jul 10 18:17:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62650 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2008 01:17:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2008 01:17:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.118) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2008 01:17:48 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2008 01:17:48 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2008 01:17:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2008 01:17:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:17:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.118 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.81 From: "jotape1960" Subject: A question about the digital war X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=BXEZv0oIP1WQC4pKlTTvB7fXy_md3Gb3eHByCmW1_qpIIKwFlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi gang!!! I wanna know if there is some new news about the digital war: How many=20 stations have been converter into IBOC, What about the NAB, What about=20 the listeners, etc. Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 11 05:53:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89408 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2008 12:53:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2008 12:53:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2008 12:53:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 70914 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2008 12:53:40 -0000 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 05:53:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 05:53:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <239723.70432.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re:A question about the digital war X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=qljzWscv-T_5jAdnyD2wJUV1RE-UNOIQnA5zvvzeCIggVeE7aMjQh9g X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio WJR - 50KW Class 1A 760KHz - switched-off it's C-Quam AM stereo when it installed their POS IBOC-HD. Ran IBOC-HD-AM 24/7 for a while, then they stopped night-time HD at the end of last year, but did not use AMS or wider bandwidth at night, as they could have. Now, they have had their HD off ALL the time for nearly the past month. Wonder what's up with that? John From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 11 05:54:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74773 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2008 12:54:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2008 12:54:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2008 12:54:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 76677 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2008 12:54:30 -0000 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 05:54:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 05:54:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <321097.76068.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re:AM 1000 transmitter for sale. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=9Fk45U8EqbwsMFakG_zVe5RA4CB1avLMZfMVk6ivv1FKzkbV-6-cqYc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Bill - glad to hear that AMS is returning. Did you get another Harris, a BE or a Nautel? John From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Jul 11 06:51:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99959 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2008 13:51:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2008 13:51:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms042pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.42) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2008 13:51:45 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([71.100.78.12]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K3U00GFUH5V8F05@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:51:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:51:31 -0400 To: Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <239723.70432.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:A question about the digital war X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=hDLwGSdveTb5bkp0GV_kjhqZkoNB3zOfCB0t99Z4ylZdsA X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here in the Tampa area, judging by the digital hiss on the adjacent channels, most of the more powerful stations seem to be broadcasting in IBOC HD during the daytime, but not at night. For instance, a couple of nights ago, I only noticed one station that appeared to transmit in IBOC HD. But since I haven't been checking on a daily basis, it may be that they're just erratic in their nighttime usage of it. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:53 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re:A question about the digital war WJR - 50KW Class 1A 760KHz - switched-off it's C-Quam AM stereo when it installed their POS IBOC-HD. Ran IBOC-HD-AM 24/7 for a while, then they stopped night-time HD at the end of last year, but did not use AMS or wider bandwidth at night, as they could have. Now, they have had their HD off ALL the time for nearly the past month. Wonder what's up with that? John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Jul 11 08:05:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70585 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2008 15:05:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2008 15:05:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.223) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2008 15:05:26 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2008 15:05:43 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.249] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2008 15:05:26 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2008 15:05:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 124001.43709.bm@omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 87014 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2008 15:05:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.209.220 with plain) by smtp126.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2008 15:05:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: agY0m.8VM1kI4gEJy3plaNzXGKuARsbcx1qAcTs.W.F3SxN00ud.9doTwQQG1hIS.TYz4I6Rg3FUksA0lU9zANnHMXChpjPsPu5Gj71hb0eUVwmrmbWIZYzbawpeVu3Utw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <239723.70432.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <239723.70432.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <59E1AC9D-88A3-404E-932C-8F41AAFF2BE7@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:05:24 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:A question about the digital war X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=5IoX689yjvrwyklv0C35zFyVqFqEN-idNycDLAG4vgWvwDIprQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Jul 11, 2008, at 7:53 AM, John P. wrote: > Wonder what's up with that? Is WJR Cumulus? They were told to turn their jamming devices off at night because it interfered with other stations they owned. Kevin From robert.w.welch@att.net Fri Jul 11 10:08:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75522 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2008 17:08:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2008 17:08:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.167) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2008 17:08:30 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2008 17:08:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2008 17:08:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2008 17:08:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:08:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <59E1AC9D-88A3-404E-932C-8F41AAFF2BE7@yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.58.25 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re:A question about the digital war X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=cPxADWfaLkVXHeYZpAyCFwHMsIGmJjIbJzypZhk492amKB2SmveU X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 WJR used to always say they were an ABC Owned & Operated station... which these days would now mean Citadel... unless it was just the radio networks which were spun off and not the stations. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding wrote: > >=20 > On Jul 11, 2008, at 7:53 AM, John P. wrote: >=20 > > Wonder what's up with that? >=20 > Is WJR Cumulus? They were told to turn their jamming devices off at=20=20 > night because it interfered with other stations they owned. >=20 > Kevin > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jul 11 17:23:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30028 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2008 00:23:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2008 00:23:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2008 00:23:01 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.184] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080711192231103170100010> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:22:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003b01c8e3b5$cdba8d40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <239723.70432.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <59E1AC9D-88A3-404E-932C-8F41AAFF2BE7@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:22:31 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:A question about the digital war X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Z2kMnIUJQBdhZCbDl_OoLIBQADJCh0ESRS2rBVACPB_fBAE5N75A X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're right about the reason, but wrong about which company. They're Citadel. There was too much mutual interference with 770 WABC. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com On Jul 11, 2008, at 7:53 AM, John P. wrote: > Wonder what's up with that? Is WJR Cumulus? They were told to turn their jamming devices off at night because it interfered with other stations they owned. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jul 11 17:24:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63797 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2008 00:24:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2008 00:24:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2008 00:24:43 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.184] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080711192424102567400011> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:24:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004f01c8e3b6$10be0220$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:24:24 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:A question about the digital war X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=1ThwbuDlXnqWXBlqrPTq2eOLZ0ZlHTuiMxpX1zot5NZ5lhdBE-eR X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seems to me it was the other way around- they kept the networks and sold most of the stations, though they did hang onto the Radio Disney O&Os. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Welch To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com WJR used to always say they were an ABC Owned & Operated station... which these days would now mean Citadel... unless it was just the radio networks which were spun off and not the stations. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Fri Jul 11 18:47:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15853 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2008 01:47:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2008 01:47:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.244) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2008 01:47:41 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2008 01:47:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2008 01:47:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2008 01:47:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 01:47:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004f01c8e3b6$10be0220$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.58.25 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re:A question about the digital war X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=8gUcajxKsU-C_Cs2Q5J7uShpNP9IQPFpI_L7DYU2sCYWX7H4qDlm X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 I file affidavits now to Citadel Communications for Flashback with Bill St James.. only the ABC Radio logo appears on the paperwork. I think they got permission in the deal to use the ABC logo in network promotions and so on. Bob at WSTJ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Seems to me it was the other way around- they kept the networks and sold most of the stations, though they did hang onto the Radio Disney O&Os. >=20 > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Bob Welch=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > WJR used to always say they were an ABC Owned & Operated station... > which these days would now mean Citadel... unless it was just the > radio networks which were spun off and not the stations.=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jul 11 20:42:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3798 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2008 03:42:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2008 03:42:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.103) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2008 03:42:21 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n20.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2008 03:42:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2008 03:42:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2008 03:42:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:42:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004f01c8e3b6$10be0220$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.11.192 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re:A question about the digital war X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=v525Z8ntcSiYXL2bsQPaARd9KNmFjgAQVQKLXpYWC0Vl_qIe X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Seems to me it was the other way around- they kept the networks and sold most of the stations, though they did hang onto the Radio Disney O&Os. DISNEY kept the Radio Disney stations. The rest were sold, along with the radio network (but not the TV network) to Citadel... And Citadel is on the brink of collapse. (Citadel currently owns the former ABC station KGO-AM 810, the only fully-independently-programmed radio station in the ABC/Citadel network.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wnmb@sc.rr.com Sun Jul 13 18:30:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42346 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2008 01:30:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2008 01:30:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.119) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2008 01:30:14 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2008 01:30:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2008 01:30:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2008 01:30:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:30:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <321097.76068.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.119 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.182.183.50 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re:AM 1000 transmitter for sale. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=leu3MWnI5-FgrwTsVhWGx9kaia4_hUH-ghd7Hnii0K9JXg X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 We bought a new Armstrong 1 kw. unit. It's digital ready, but, of=20 course, we are running our AM Stereo instead. The new transmitter is=20 doing great for us. It is capable of much better average modulation=20 than the old Harris unit, and it is working very well with the Stereo. From r_lebreton36@hotmail.com Wed Jul 16 05:58:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: r_lebreton36@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97059 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2008 12:58:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2008 12:58:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2008 12:58:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2008 12:58:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2008 12:58:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:58:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.226.11.131 From: "r_lebreton36" Subject: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243931885; y=b5WEg0S3Gr3lWfhECbtgqN7z0RenWYXq0Fs8swvMCqXy8qcoumgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: r_lebreton36 Hello, Folks! I was wondering if anyone knows where to get an AMS board for a=20 portable receiver. I spoke with Chris Cuff and he informed me he's=20 out of the biz. I looked at the option of getting the Sony SRF-AX15=20 but that is meant for the Japanese market. Any ideas? TIA... From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 06:40:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32399 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2008 13:40:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2008 13:40:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.241) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2008 13:40:21 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2008 13:40:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2008 13:40:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2008 13:40:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:40:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.5.154 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=WyL3Mm_vjEiU1Qy_t8--nQcxkwYhXMvb8E6LlCsM4sCiy33M X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "r_lebreton36" wrote: > > Hello, Folks! >=20 > I was wondering if anyone knows where to get an AMS board for a=20 > portable receiver. I spoke with Chris Cuff and he informed me he's=20 > out of the biz. I looked at the option of getting the Sony SRF-AX15=20 > but that is meant for the Japanese market. >=20 > Any ideas? Go for the 'AX15. It's an analogue-tuned AMS receiver. Out of the box, it might tune up to 1630-1650kHz or so, but with some advice from someone who knows how to tweak the 'AX15's board, you might be able to have the tuning tweaked up to cover the entire AM broadcast band. (I did that to my 'A100.) Yes, Japan uses 9kHz channel steps, but for an analogue tuner, that doesn't really matter. It's the *FM* band on the 'AX15 that's only really usable in Japan, being it's 76-92MHz, so....it's really good for AMS only. Anyone else? Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 16 09:12:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93606 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2008 16:12:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2008 16:12:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2008 16:12:12 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cb3.37ee95b2 (42808) for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:12:06 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Etog88O46dFfxR7RFcRkCxJmsBO4M7KKs0NCNbZdmTZfgpHneL1Q6rNYoaxPb5iV X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy, Does our friend Sotiris give a decoder board away with each of the transmitters he sells? He may be a source or at least be able to say where he is getting them. I know Motorola made a number of variants of their decoder chips. Having dealt with Motorola in a professional capacity, they sold most of their lines to OnSemi a number of years ago. OnSemi elected not continue manufacture of a fair number of items. I mention this because I am having a problem locating several of the prime Motorola AMS decoder ICs at a reasonable price. I have enough begun-yet-not-finished projects around, but an ambitious person might look towards a discrete (as in general purpose ICs) decoder board. The Motorola 13000 series IC approach did seem to have its limitations on L and R only modulation depth. Mike ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 12:52:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37498 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2008 19:52:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2008 19:52:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.252) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2008 19:52:13 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2008 19:52:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2008 19:52:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2008 19:52:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:52:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.252 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.5.154 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=zxQ3abmyasY_IoHeaeEuxWo1Ml1fbw2mjjQzzJG2ZwJsYXAH X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Amy, >=20 > Does our friend Sotiris give a decoder board away with each of the=20 > transmitters he sells? He may be a source or at least be able to say where he is=20 > getting them. There are a few people other than Chris (who's out of the game, for now) who have decoder boards- Meduci comes to mind, not just Sotiris & Co. in Greece. :) =20 > I know Motorola made a number of variants of their decoder chips.=20 Having=20 > dealt with Motorola in a professional capacity, they sold most of their lines to=20 > OnSemi a number of years ago. OnSemi elected not continue manufacture of a=20 > fair number of items. I mention this because I am having a problem locating=20 > several of the prime Motorola AMS decoder ICs at a reasonable price. I wonder if Chris has a pile left over, or he sold them to someone else (Jeff @ meduci, etc.), not sure? =20 > I have enough begun-yet-not-finished projects around, but an ambitious person=20 > might look towards a discrete (as in general purpose ICs) decoder board. The=20 > Motorola 13000 series IC approach did seem to have its limitations on L and R=20 > only modulation depth. It would be the 1302x and later chips, you mean. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (who would LOVE to have a homemade pocket AMS radio, but never got the chance for one of Chris' radios... :( ) From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Jul 16 17:24:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15751 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2008 00:23:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2008 00:23:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2008 00:23:59 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.76] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080716192333101149500010> for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:23:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004001c8e7a3$cce05ac0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:23:33 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=mR-ktuOFxsIDAjXIhKd3E4SXv9hk0hAiyqyyFLSrTlaFU_WQOZ2S X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that may be why Chris quit making decoder kits- lack of affordable and easy to obtain decoder chips. At this point many radios are using DSP anyway. I don't think any AM stereo modulation monitor ever used one of those decoder chips either. I suppose you could copy the decoder portion of any of them but it won't be a little bitty board like it would with a 13028 chip on it. Another idea would be to get one of these programmable ASIC chips and blast a bunch of them with the decoder circuitry. Before I go, I was wondering if someone could etch a PC board for me? I've got a 13022 that I've been wanting to use but haven't had success in doing it myself. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com OnSemi elected not continue manufacture of a fair number of items. I mention this because I am having a problem locating several of the prime Motorola AMS decoder ICs at a reasonable price. I have enough begun-yet-not-finished projects around, but an ambitious person might look towards a discrete (as in general purpose ICs) decoder board. The Motorola 13000 series IC approach did seem to have its limitations on L and R only modulation depth. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Wed Jul 16 17:49:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49925 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2008 00:49:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2008 00:49:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2008 00:49:37 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d15.2b27bf0d (37595) for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:49:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from alexfcaddc2555 (s10.trico.az.wi-power.com [198.36.144.10]) by cia-mb06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB068-92db487e971837c; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:49:30 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01c8e7a6$f90d87a0$6701a8c0@alexfcaddc2555> To: References: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:46:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "hank smith" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-AOL-IP: 198.36.144.10 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=dHrkAYN72k3pmnlt1WVz3sXVoJnHOkSAwVfqCHGe4ooFWK-ld22M X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit madusi is still making stuff I just purchased a tuner from him ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:52 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Amy, > > Does our friend Sotiris give a decoder board away with each of the > transmitters he sells? He may be a source or at least be able to say where he is > getting them. There are a few people other than Chris (who's out of the game, for now) who have decoder boards- Meduci comes to mind, not just Sotiris & Co. in Greece. :) > I know Motorola made a number of variants of their decoder chips. Having > dealt with Motorola in a professional capacity, they sold most of their lines to > OnSemi a number of years ago. OnSemi elected not continue manufacture of a > fair number of items. I mention this because I am having a problem locating > several of the prime Motorola AMS decoder ICs at a reasonable price. I wonder if Chris has a pile left over, or he sold them to someone else (Jeff @ meduci, etc.), not sure? > I have enough begun-yet-not-finished projects around, but an ambitious person > might look towards a discrete (as in general purpose ICs) decoder board. The > Motorola 13000 series IC approach did seem to have its limitations on L and R > only modulation depth. It would be the 1302x and later chips, you mean. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (who would LOVE to have a homemade pocket AMS radio, but never got the chance for one of Chris' radios... :( ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 23:34:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89491 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2008 06:34:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2008 06:34:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.144) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2008 06:34:04 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2008 06:34:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2008 06:34:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2008 06:34:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:34:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.203.120.137 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=pvUFAoiqrLdi4pVeaiA0xP7DBOqpioVAfERoIie2V-4 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "r_lebreton36" =20 wrote: > > Hello, Folks! >=20 > I was wondering if anyone knows where to get an AMS board for a=20 > portable receiver. I spoke with Chris Cuff and he informed me he's=20 > out of the biz. I looked at the option of getting the Sony SRF-AX15=20 > but that is meant for the Japanese market. >=20 > Any ideas? >=20 > TIA... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D190237625573 From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 17 03:06:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40188 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2008 10:06:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2008 10:06:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2008 10:06:06 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c86.35588908 (14457) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:06:03 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=3fDFOTuA858SSzFts5TVepn4OtDGBHSz0rbS_CPKPYwFqbE4_eoVKoxNZGS6AqMg X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I knew you would come through with one! Great compact layout. Mike ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 17 03:25:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71787 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2008 10:25:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2008 10:25:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2008 10:25:21 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bd7.36349fb4 (14457) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:25:16 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=N6isITLhayxYQttWe3B2F1VMJlN2HEJ1iL34pKZhDMmz5XrIGDNgP0zMKik9xxth X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/16/08 7:24:21 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > I think that may be why Chris quit making decoder kits- lack of affordable > and easy to obtain decoder chips. Chris's transmitter board has alot of obsolete parts. You hit the nail squarely on the head when you said affordable and easy to obtain. There are ECG, SK, and NTE type replacement parts, you know, the kind where they sell you a $0.30 OEM transistor in a plastic bag for $9.00. As for prime parts in production quantities, that's another question entirely. I worked for a defense contractor for a good number of years. We had GFE (Government Furnished Equipment) test sets that were under configuration control. That means when these units were repaired, the EXACT part called out in the Technical Data Package had to be used. We had a person who spent almost all his time and a small fortune finding obsolete components for this purpose. Our European Production Group built an entire large configuration long obsolete HP ATS-1000 test set from replacement parts for some un-Godly amount of money. No one was still around who understood the spaghetti test code it ran (the programmer's favorite instruction was "GOTO") and it was actually cheaper to built the obsolete hardware than attempt to re-write the software. Mike ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 17 03:37:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27207 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2008 10:37:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2008 10:37:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2008 10:37:11 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c22.3e6c62e0 (14457) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:37:05 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=8qCgRfdQfa90M8sgT7JvHwNpnx-hUkAUYIzixt_2ln3htzYVvBO3qU7mTxOSkXvi X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/16/08 7:24:21 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > Before I go, I was wondering if someone could etch a PC board for me? I've > got a 13022 that I've been wanting to use but haven't had success in doing it > myself. > We used ExpressPCB.com for our prototyping service. We probably did well over 100 different boards with them without a problem. They even have a free modest PCB layout program for download. Highly recommend. I remember the old Kepco prototyping setup, which incidentally was made here in St. Louis (Valley Park, to be exact). That was in the pre-EPA / OSHA days. Mike ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 17 03:39:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33939 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2008 10:39:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2008 10:39:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2008 10:39:32 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cdb.3754f4c9 (14457) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:39:28 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=-4obDptcA72LTXiP-4tyw-zqWCzDBzhIMVWBPX7zeq4X9KHxdv7iYN2ZJ0F6OmEF X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/16/08 7:24:21 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > I suppose you could copy the decoder portion of any of them but it won't be > a little bitty board like it would with a 13028 chip on it. Another idea > would be to get one of these programmable ASIC chips and blast a bunch of them > with the decoder circuitry. > I like our friend George's dual synchronous detector idea. Mike ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 03:53:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93107 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2008 10:53:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2008 10:53:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.115) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2008 10:53:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2008 10:53:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2008 10:53:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2008 10:53:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:53:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.132.93.99 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=AtPSqSxcHbeqJTF6ZE93EText4mlhcy-Gd_-JoQgBZHLuIYHEdDI X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Good morning, You write: >There are a few people other than Chris (who's out of the game,=20 >for now) who have decoder boards- Meduci comes to mind, not just=20 >Sotiris & Co. in Greece. :) We sell AM stereo decoder boards for $25 postpaid each to the continental United States. These are Motorola MC13028-based, and need six conections (power, ground, I.F input, left output, right output, stereo LED). We provide free technical assistance, or can install in your tuner for modest charge. We also sell=20 complete stand-alone AM stereo tuner solutions, starting at $150 postpaid. Sincerely, meduci, LLC http://meduci.com From ke7ief@aol.com Thu Jul 17 08:23:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97563 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2008 15:23:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2008 15:23:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2008 15:23:42 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d4e.30642f06 (34965) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:23:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from alexfcaddc2555 (s10.trico.az.wi-power.com [198.36.144.10]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA072-8895487f63f5323; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:23:35 -0400 Message-ID: <007a01c8e821$14729ec0$6701a8c0@alexfcaddc2555> To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:23:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "hank smith" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-AOL-IP: 198.36.144.10 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=jUIGPAqkKsFfnIOAtLL9UxOSCbTg9AhHfUIKSeTMeWZmAiTrDmLd X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit does the reciever need all of these outputs in order to work with the decoder board? as far as the reciever that he cells for 150.00 am using it with a make shift antanna for now still am waiting on the proper cable but this thing kicks total butt the best 150.00 I spent this thing sounds supurb ----- Original Message ----- From: jeffdeck2001 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 3:53 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... Good morning, You write: >There are a few people other than Chris (who's out of the game, >for now) who have decoder boards- Meduci comes to mind, not just >Sotiris & Co. in Greece. :) We sell AM stereo decoder boards for $25 postpaid each to the continental United States. These are Motorola MC13028-based, and need six conections (power, ground, I.F input, left output, right output, stereo LED). We provide free technical assistance, or can install in your tuner for modest charge. We also sell complete stand-alone AM stereo tuner solutions, starting at $150 postpaid. Sincerely, meduci, LLC http://meduci.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From r_lebreton36@hotmail.com Thu Jul 17 09:11:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: r_lebreton36@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41987 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2008 16:11:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2008 16:11:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2008 16:11:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2008 16:11:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2008 16:11:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:11:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007a01c8e821$14729ec0$6701a8c0@alexfcaddc2555> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.226.11.131 From: "r_lebreton36" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243931885; y=JwwEYD1h02TNNyYfA39Yp4MGR4gx2hUc-imZGiCTnM6MzeMKbuUN X-Yahoo-Profile: r_lebreton36 Just to add to the competition. I received this reply from ASPiSYS.=20=20 ASPiSYS lists this decoder board at $35 USD. Obviously, it would be=20 more economical to purchase an AMS decoder board from Meduci since=20 ASPiSYS is located in Greece.=20=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D From: info@aspisys.com To: r_lebreton36 Subject: Re: DQAM Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:29:01 +0300 Hello, =20 Yes, it's possible to use at a lower voltage, down to 2.2V (but=20 please make sure you tell us about this when ordering because a=20 simple modification is required). =20 Thank you. =20 ASPiSYS Ltd. P.O. Box 14386 Athens 11510 Greece (EU) Tel. (+30) 210 771-9544 Fax. (+30) 210 771-4983 FreeWorldDialup: 819168 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: R LeBreton=20 To: info@aspisys.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:26 PM Subject: DQAM Hello, =20 I was interested in your DQAM AM Stereo decoder board. It states=20 on your web site that it functions from 8V to 15V. Is it possible to=20 get this to work at a lower voltage (i.e. 6V or 3V)? As I would like=20 use this in a portable radio. =20 Thank you, =20 Richard. > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jeffdeck2001=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 3:53 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... >=20 >=20 > Good morning, >=20 > You write: > >There are a few people other than Chris (who's out of the game,=20 > >for now) who have decoder boards- Meduci comes to mind, not just=20 > >Sotiris & Co. in Greece. :) >=20 > We sell AM stereo decoder boards for $25 postpaid each to the > continental United States. These are Motorola MC13028-based, and > need six conections (power, ground, I.F input, left output, > right output, stereo LED). We provide free technical assistance, > or can install in your tuner for modest charge. We also sell=20 > complete stand-alone AM stereo tuner solutions, starting at $150 > postpaid. >=20 > Sincerely, > meduci, LLC >=20 > http://meduci.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Jul 17 12:54:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46377 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2008 19:53:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2008 19:53:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.232) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2008 19:53:57 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 57so64526wri.12 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:53:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.55.20 with SMTP id d20mr359466aga.51.1216324436355; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.114? ( [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p60sm237045hsa.14.2008.07.17.12.53.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2AFBEE39-9428-4384-B338-37007D825952@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:26:26 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:AM 1000 transmitter for sale. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=mGQ9S8_2ShqN2zavF_I21QNVq_nTRRFtfo6zr3ERho6b_a0b5gHWJF295y3SnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jul 13, 2008, at 9:30 PM, Bill Norman wrote: > It is capable of much better average modulation > than the old Harris unit, and it is working very well with the Stereo. GREAT! I never did like that "Harris Fuzz" modulation in the SX Series transmitter. Please post some Off-Air Airchecks from the new transmitter. Kevin in Upstate South Carolina From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 17 13:14:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42069 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2008 20:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2008 20:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2008 20:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cc4.364292fb (37120) for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:14:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA016-9100487fa83d10a; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:14:53 -0400 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-DC14 (webmail-dc14.webmail.aol.com [205.188.149.36]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.10) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA015-5c47487fa8353d7; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:14:45 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:14:45 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37668-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.36) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:14:45 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAB660E4121D06-23C-39D@WEBMAIL-DC14.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=E4U7gXsYnvaMO0ZZYDsTPRyaBEV-qC05j8VkxLVV1JYcRqAf2venHoF-QLuYqe9_ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Given what the dollar is now worth against the Euro, $35 is a bargain.? I would go with a known supplier with a good reputation.? Sotiris seems to enjoy that status. Mike -----Original Message----- From: r_lebreton36 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:11 am Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... Just to add to the competition. I received this reply from ASPiSYS. ASPiSYS lists this decoder board at $35 USD. Obviously, it would be more economical to purchase an AMS decoder board from Meduci since ASPiSYS is located in Greece. ================================== From: info@aspisys.com To: r_lebreton36 Subject: Re: DQAM Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:29:01 +0300 Hello, Yes, it's possible to use at a lower voltage, down to 2.2V (but please make sure you tell us about this when ordering because a simple modification is required). Thank you. ASPiSYS Ltd. P.O. Box 14386 Athens 11510 Greece (EU) Tel. (+30) 210 771-9544 Fax. (+30) 210 771-4983 FreeWorldDialup: 819168 ----- Original Message ----- From: R LeBreton To: info@aspisys.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:26 PM Subject: DQAM Hello, I was interested in your DQAM AM Stereo decoder board. It states on your web site that it functions from 8V to 15V. Is it possible to get this to work at a lower voltage (i.e. 6V or 3V)? As I would like use this in a portable radio. Thank you, Richard. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jeffdeck2001 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 3:53 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... > > > Good morning, > > You write: > >There are a few people other than Chris (who's out of the game, > >for now) who have decoder boards- Meduci comes to mind, not just > >Sotiris & Co. in Greece. :) > > We sell AM stereo decoder boards for $25 postpaid each to the > continental United States. These are Motorola MC13028-based, and > need six conections (power, ground, I.F input, left output, > right output, stereo LED). We provide free technical assistance, > or can install in your tuner for modest charge. We also sell > complete stand-alone AM stereo tuner solutions, starting at $150 > postpaid. > > Sincerely, > meduci, LLC > > http://meduci.com > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 14:35:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34692 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2008 21:35:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2008 21:35:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2008 21:35:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2008 21:35:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2008 21:35:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:35:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007a01c8e821$14729ec0$6701a8c0@alexfcaddc2555> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.27.49 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=uoF_1UdfGhzF66l11ietwENzb1NUxMi7Rg-9vp2rBeNn6y5x X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > does the reciever need all of these outputs in order to work with the decoder board? Mmm, yes. :) Power input: Duh! :) Something's gotta power the board, like all the rest of the circuitry inside. :) I.F. input: This is where the source signal comes from when it's decoded/demodulated. Most radios have a 450 or 455 kHz I.F. L and R outputs: These go to your receiver's audio amplifier board, which go to your speakers and headphones, with balance and tone controls. L.E.D. indicator output: If your radio already has a stereo indicator for FM, this goes there. Otherwise, you can add your own L.E.D. stereo indicator. (Not necessary, I guess, if you're completely blind, but what the hey, yes? :) > as far as the reciever that he cells for 150.00 > am using it with a make shift antanna for now still am waiting on the proper cable but this thing kicks total butt > the best 150.00 I spent > this thing sounds supurb If Jeff put out a portable or pocket unit, I'd do everything I could to buy one. :) He has not only built a reputation as Meduci with his tuners, he's someone I trust and respect on anything A.M.S.-related. :) (Certain acronyms are dotted for the sake of our blind readers using their computers' text-to-speech programs. Normally, I don't.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (THAT should sound weird on a text-to-speech program! It's a simple ASCII mouse, with a bow on her tail. :) ) From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 14:38:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49455 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2008 21:38:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2008 21:38:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.112) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2008 21:38:42 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2008 21:38:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2008 21:38:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2008 21:38:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:38:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.27.49 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=M6BlanGeDhEqADGRymV8MyWBcyqdL8KodzDCdr5y4Tzs3ZMl X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "r_lebreton36" wrote: > > Just to add to the competition. I received this reply from ASPiSYS.=20=20 > ASPiSYS lists this decoder board at $35 USD. Obviously, it would be=20 > more economical to purchase an AMS decoder board from Meduci since=20 > ASPiSYS is located in Greece.=20=20 ASPiSYS is Sotiris' company. I also respect Sotiris for his engineering, as much as I do of Jeff and his Meduci company. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 22:06:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59728 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2008 05:06:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2008 05:06:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.146) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 05:06:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2008 05:06:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2008 05:06:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2008 05:06:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:06:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.25 From: "jotape1960" Subject: C-Quam question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=mDrRnpixSBcWLVfhExxOvSzj2nlq-NSGwY2o48FMn2cizPO1_A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I need a more deep explanation about some specific questions about=20 Motorola C-QUAM AM Stereo system: 1) Why the encoder needs an extra QUAM board envelope modulator? The=20 output from the "I" modulator (inside the QUAM board) is a full=20 DSBNC signal. If this signal is re-inserted after the final QUAM=20 limiter, directly from the "I" modulator, we have the full C-QUAM=20 signal!!! 2) Why the decoder doesn't use the "I" demodulator signal as an=20 audio signal to feed the final audio matrix? As I've seen, this=20 signal is only used as a reference to the comparator unit. ??? 3) I discovered I already have a C-QUAM AM Stereo receiver. It is a=20 Sony Car Radio/CD package. The manual doesn't speak about this=20 feature and nothing about it on the box or in the device itself. I=20 discovered it accidentally, when I passed through a very noisy area=20 far away of my transmitter site and... Oops, an Stereo indicator=20 light lighted and the typical "rare" sound (something like an audio=20 channel out of phase) came to my ears. Of course, it wasn't a real=20 stereo audio signal because my station doesn't transmit in stereo.=20 The only one problem I have is the device IF filter and its very=20 narrow band (I guess only 4 or 5 kHz). How can I work around it?=20 Where can I get IF filters with, at least, 8 kHz passband? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Jul 18 00:05:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27774 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2008 07:05:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2008 07:05:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.178) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 07:05:23 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2008 07:05:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2008 07:05:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2008 07:05:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:05:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.1.251 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: C-Quam question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=MPOdkHxqhM9xIR7lU1-oHROexhY4PMiEf3jlIwsYiOJyPuGl X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I need a more deep explanation about some specific questions about=20 > Motorola C-QUAM AM Stereo system: >=20 > 1) Why the encoder needs an extra QUAM board envelope modulator? The=20 > output from the "I" modulator (inside the QUAM board) is a full=20 > DSBNC signal. If this signal is re-inserted after the final QUAM=20 > limiter, directly from the "I" modulator, we have the full C-QUAM=20 > signal!!! I/Q =3D QUAM, not C-QUAM, which is E/Q. Why? I=3D(L+R) and Q=3D(L-R). To acheve a closer compatibility to mono, the sum needs to be, in part, 1+(L+R). So, the C-QUAM chip has BOTH an Envelope ("E") detector AND an I/Q synchronous detector, plus a phase ("PM") discriminator to be used as a tracker, to keep the quadrature balanced, and reduce platform motion. > 2) Why the decoder doesn't use the "I" demodulator signal as an=20 > audio signal to feed the final audio matrix? As I've seen, this=20 > signal is only used as a reference to the comparator unit. ??? It could, but again, it's not for the receiver's sake, but on the transmitter's end, to maintain compatibility with mono receivers. It has to do with the mathematics. (Even RCA suggested this in its 1960 report on AM stereo, as a way to add compatibility to QUAM transmissions.) > 3) I discovered I already have a C-QUAM AM Stereo receiver. It is a=20 > Sony Car Radio/CD package. The manual doesn't speak about this=20 > feature and nothing about it on the box or in the device itself. I=20 > discovered it accidentally, when I passed through a very noisy area=20 > far away of my transmitter site and... Oops, an Stereo indicator=20 > light lighted and the typical "rare" sound (something like an audio=20 > channel out of phase) came to my ears. Of course, it wasn't a real=20 > stereo audio signal because my station doesn't transmit in stereo.=20 > The only one problem I have is the device IF filter and its very=20 > narrow band (I guess only 4 or 5 kHz). How can I work around it?=20 > Where can I get IF filters with, at least, 8 kHz passband? Congratulations! Yes, ALOT of car radios aren't marked saying they're stereo, nor having it mentioned in the owner's manual, for some reason, and even up to very recent years, the car companies and OEM radio manufacturers have been VERY reluctant to say how many tuners out there are indeed AMS models- Enough so far too many think there are NO AMS-capable radios out there, giving stations the excuse to drop AMS. The truth is, an FCC estimate in 1993, with no reason for this to be any different now, considering output has been the same, to be 10-15% of all auto radios in North America are AMS capable. That's a hella-lotta radios! :) Keep in mind I'm aware of AMS-capable car stareos installed in cars up to 2006, and with some IBOC models also supporting- rather limitedly- C-QUAM, AMS is still being put into cars.... But for some reason, not aftermarket car stereos, or any commerciaaly-available radios (except, again, some IBOC models), in North America. (AMS is still on the shelves of stores in Japan- The ONLY country where that's still the case.) Too much ignorance has been killing AMS, with some keeping others ignorant willingly. It doesn't have to be. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jul 18 07:55:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95098 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2008 14:55:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2008 14:55:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 14:55:12 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d1d.2c1fe0cc (42805) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:55:02 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-Quam question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=9sljeyFHEeJyXnWw5xj2eWLYc0UCuY36rrU3LtFHafT3SyQDNpJ8kQ7xOQGyPDmY X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good explanation, Amy. To begin to create the C-QUAM signal, the sum (L+R) is used to drive an in-phase carrier balanced modulator. The difference (L-R) is used to drive a quadrature (shifted 90 degrees) balanced modulator. Summing the two, creates a conventional QUAM signal in which the L+R information is contained on the in-phase (I) DSBSC component while the L-R information is contained on the quadrature (Q) DSBSC component. One could stop here and have a perfectly good AM stereo system. Integrating (averaging) the signal on the receiving end between -90 to +90 degrees recovers the L+R information, while integrating the same signal between 0 to 180 degrees recovers the L-R information. Matrixing the two results yields the original L and R components. The problem with the above system is two-fold. First, the absolute amplitude of the composite signal is a complex mathematical relationship determined by the amplitude and phase of the Left, Right, and carrier signals. As this is all a conventional envelope detector can detect, the output of the detector is essentially meaningless. There goes compatibility. The other problem is for the above system to work, the frequency and phase of the original carrier must be somehow known at the receiver to a high degree of certainty (accuracy). As there is no way to derived it from the incoming signal, that becomes problematic. So we are back to our DSBSC QUAM signal with a (L+R) in-phase component and (L-R) quadrature component. To solve the missing carrier information problem, we re-insert an in-phase carrier. Now we can recover the original carrier phase information at the receiver end for our in-phase and quadrature synchronous demodulators. The demodulators now yield back our L+R and L-R signals which can then be matrixed to recover the L and R signals. We now have a workable AM Stereo system, workable though not compatible. The absolute amplitude of the composite signal detected by a conventional envelope detector is still a complex product of the components which went into its creation. So in the Motorola C-QUAM system, the above signal is put through a limiter to remove its amplitude information, leaving only phase information. To me, this sounds like a Rube Goldberg approach to what is simply deriving the ArcTangent of the argument (L - R) / (1 + L + R), but that's what it is. We now have the phase of our C-QUAM carrier. The only thing left to do is amplitude modulate it with the (L+R) signal. An envelope detector will recover the L+R (mono) information just as it would a conventional AM signal. An envelope detector is insensitive to phase, so the phase component is simply lost in a regular mono receiver. The only thing left to do is add a 25 hertz pilot tone 26dB down to the L-R only signal. This produces no amplitude modulation of the carrier, which is L+R, so it is not detected by a conventional receiver. Unlike the 19khz pilot used in FM Stereo, the AMS pilot contains no decoding information. Its sole purpose is to identify an AM Stereo signal and turn-on the decoding circuitry on an AMS receiver. The selling point of the Motorola system was that not only was it compatible with conventional AM receivers, it was also compatible with existing AM transmitters. The Motorola box put out two signals. A constant amplitude phase modulated RF carrier output which fed the existing RF chaim and a L+R audio signal that fed the existing audio chain. To be honest, I really don't understand the decoding scheme used in the Motorola 130XX chips. I would just use a PLL with a long time constant loop to reco ver a phased locked 4x multiple of the original carrier phase, a Type III Closen counter to derive in-phase and quadrature switching signals at carrier frequency, and two synchronous detectors. A tone-decoding PLL could detect the pilot tone. Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jul 18 08:02:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21297 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2008 15:02:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2008 15:02:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 15:02:47 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bd7.3657c1fc (42805) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:02:39 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-Quam question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=RG-E01yRY6OQe3kWwhREvHeLuB1KYh2ddWYiP5T0GOw3X9QF1DEBBcmuK02XWnFr X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/18/08 2:06:02 AM Central Daylight Time, amymousie@yahoo.com writes: > The truth is, an FCC estimate in 1993, with no reason for > this to be any different now, considering output has been the same, to > be 10-15% of all auto radios in North America are AMS capable. That's > a hella-lotta radios! :) Keep in mind I'm aware of AMS-capable car > stareos installed in cars up to 2006, You're right as always, Amy. Compare that number with how many IBOC capable radios there are. Maybe some marketing folks could figure that out. I can say, though not universally, there has long been a resistance to improving AM fidelity going back long before AM stereo. There were the points of light in the darkness, but these tended to be the exception. Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jul 18 12:46:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46595 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2008 19:46:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2008 19:46:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 19:46:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d04.38df0170 (29672) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:46:51 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-Quam question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=1yZvATw27hBkWsZYL2qjbyEFkbIXvUxqM45TWtl4N27_l172gaH7TlJ2yE-158pB X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/18/08 9:55:52 AM Central Daylight Time, mjgrant@aol.com writes: > Integrating > (averaging) the signal on the receiving end between -90 to +90 degrees > recovers the L+R information, while integrating the same signal between 0 to > 180 > degrees recovers the L-R information. Sorry, Integration of the signal between 0 to 180 degrees recovers the in-phase (L+R) information while -90 to +90 degress recovers the quadrature (L-R) information. Me sorry. I got confused because the PLL VCO signal which supplies the real and imaginary synchronous detectors is already 90 degrees out of phase with the input when the loop is in lock. By the way, George deserves credit for this decoding scheme which is tolerant of high modulation factors, including true 4-quadrant sinusoidal supermodulation without the clicks and pops associated with the Motorola chip. Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jul 18 15:34:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47490 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2008 22:34:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2008 22:34:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 22:34:06 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.85] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080718173055100579400010> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:30:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006001c8e926$67f68f60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:30:55 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=bSkbJ_Zw0_BskCAmF63p3P6Iysp87lWSGEBXHKZ0bGVTsIqcBTFe X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've got it but it took me for freaking ever to create the layout, and I'm not sure I couldn't have done better. The biggest hassle is actually etching the boards. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com We used ExpressPCB.com for our prototyping service. We probably did well over 100 different boards with them without a problem. They even have a free modest PCB layout program for download. Highly recommend. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jul 18 15:39:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12328 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2008 22:39:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2008 22:39:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 22:39:15 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.85] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080718173848101487600010> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:38:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00ad01c8e927$81b3cde0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:38:48 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-Quam question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=_koNO9h45wDa2ENE_43nQGPgrPzkvr0st88g-xadqEvFbD-C6CS0 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let's see a circuit diagram, I think I may want to build one! Considering the obsolescence of decoder chips, this could be the next big thing for AM stereo radios. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com By the way, George deserves credit for this decoding scheme which is tolerant of high modulation factors, including true 4-quadrant sinusoidal supermodulation without the clicks and pops associated with the Motorola chip. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jul 18 18:01:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35009 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2008 01:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2008 01:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2008 01:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cc7.381c013b (42809) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:01:41 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=2A0Sdo78Y9l90gHg_KsTBQD8u8FVPvNEB_NSgPoPzYkOmYErPy6uuKBRMYPbuHwM X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, ExpressPCB can turnaround so great looking boards in no time. As we have a PCB shear, we would put several different layouts on the same board and then shear them apart. Same price. The free layout software may be a bit overpriced. I think they can now take standard Gerbers, etc.. There is a knack to using the ExpressPCB software. I laid out connector transistion boards, etc. Nothing too complicated. For more complex boards, I used Cadence which for most projects was an overkill. However, the auto-placer and auto-router was a big time saver. The other thing ExpressPCB can do is plated through holes. In fact, all the holes are plated through. For your homebrew boards were you thinking about photosensitive boards? Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Jul 18 18:29:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14632 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2008 01:29:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2008 01:29:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n48d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.174) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2008 01:29:09 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2008 01:29:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2008 01:29:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2008 01:29:09 -0000 Date: 19 Jul 2008 01:29:08 -0000 Message-ID: <1216430948.132272.3167.w101@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /AD630.pdf Uploaded by : grant_at_hardscrapple Description : Analog Devices Precision Synchronous Demodulater You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/AD630.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, grant_at_hardscrapple From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jul 18 18:39:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39262 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2008 01:39:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2008 01:39:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2008 01:39:06 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c4b.31db6ec3 (42809) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:39:03 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: C-Quam question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=mUfyDu4FiJo_oDo0pzaV7SJnhc1p33H_XKDOroyRW58GB9VKJy40ut3RUvrO2wOc X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/18/08 5:39:41 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > Let's see a circuit diagram, I think I may want to build one! Considering > the obsolescence of decoder chips, this could be the next big thing for AM > stereo radios. > I was about to launch this as another one of my started-but-never-finished projects. Professionally, I worked with the Analog Device AD630 which is a really amazing IC. The application was a LVDT based measurement system. To recover displacement information from a LVDT, the output must be sychronously demodulated. With the AD630, the system had ppm performance. Note, the sync signal is straight logic level digital. I am certain the IC's extreme linearity wouldn't heard an AMS receiver's distortion numbers any. It is really a simple circuit. You could build a lower cost discrete version if you were so inclined. Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jul 18 18:44:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67900 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2008 01:44:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2008 01:44:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2008 01:44:44 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.211] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080718204430100489500010> for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:44:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001301c8e941$73310e80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:44:30 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=goO6Y1i7e922RC4UtIqpregqZzrv0g8DzbfPriOJJMWqfTcO4yyg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Then I must lack that knack. It was such a chore using it that I've never used it a second time, though I suppose considering the 13022 is a 24 pin wide body DIP it was pretty ambitious for a first try. What I ended up doing was printing it out (don't think I even have that anymore) and copied it with a combination of rub-on transfers and resist pen, which turned out to be nothing more than a Sharpie. Didn't have a way of doing photosensitive boards then but would consider it if it would improve the product. I suspect my biggest problem was that my process lacked heat and agitation of the etching solution. One other thing I was hoping to do was to leave as much of the copper on the board for a groundplane. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 8:01 PM ExpressPCB can turnaround so great looking boards in no time. The free layout software may be a bit overpriced. I think they can now take standard Gerbers, etc.. There is a knack to using the ExpressPCB software. I laid out connector transistion boards, etc. Nothing too complicated. For more complex boards, I used Cadence which for most projects was an overkill. However, the auto-placer and auto-router was a big time saver. The other thing ExpressPCB can do is plated through holes. In fact, all the holes are plated through. For your homebrew boards were you thinking about photosensitive boards? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jul 18 19:23:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36490 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2008 02:23:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2008 02:23:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2008 02:23:51 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c40.3ca36b8c (42807) for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:23:47 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=0gyfKXkGdJ9deL7ds1QLur_KXpNn_1KLWCdvp5er9Sr5ux_YG-6hPTuxeyvdxfv6 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With the Kepco/Kodak system, the layout, which in those days were Bishop Graphics tape on mylar, had to be sent out for camera work as layouts were usually done 2:1, sometimes 4:1. The process required a 1:1 photographic negative which generally had to be "touched up". The negative was then used to expose a photosensitive board in the UV exposure frame. Then the exposed board was developed in the developer tank which continuously sprayed it was with a developer chemical made by Kodak. I have relatively insensitive skin that can take concentrated sulfuric acid (at room temperature of course) for 30 or seconds without any consequence. However, the Kodak developer would cause burning within a few seconds and nothing would stop it. The board was then left to air dried (to allow the deadly developer to vaporize so it could be inhaled more readily) and washed, allowing what was left of it to go down the municipal drain to later get into the ground water supply to cause birth defects and cancer. At this point, you might have perhaps one good board out of two or three. Now the board was ready for the fun part, the etch tank. The tank contained 5 gallons of ferric chloride heated to about 130 degrees F.. The board did not sit in the solution, but rather hung above it as it was sprayed with heated solution. The yeild here was about one in two as well on a good day with fresh chemicals. The board was then washed in a regular sink and Viola! You had an etched PC board. Normally the board had to inspected as they were infamous for having hairline breaks in the runs which were touched up with a solder iron. There was an electroless tin plating process for the foolhearty which almost guaranteed the board would be unsolderable by any means known to man. Of course, jumpers had to hand soldered as the holes were not plated through. That's why people stopped making their own prototype boards. That was when copperclad boards were relatively cheap. The rule was to make four boards to get one that bordered on being usable. I don't places like ExpressPCB use a direct photo process, but rather a variation of silkscreening like used in mass production boards. Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jul 18 21:14:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33010 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2008 04:14:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2008 04:14:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.132) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2008 04:14:19 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2008 04:14:19 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2008 04:14:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2008 04:14:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 04:14:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.88 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: C-Quam question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=eAQw-OBKzOCDrH3cJchkiIuge8NaZvjYxHXpLf9se0YhZTdKpA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Good explanation, Amy. >=20 > To begin to create the C-QUAM signal, the sum (L+R) is used to=20 drive an=20 > in-phase carrier balanced modulator. The difference (L-R) is used=20 to drive a=20 > quadrature (shifted 90 degrees) balanced modulator. Summing the=20 two, creates a=20 > conventional QUAM signal in which the L+R information is contained=20 on the in-phase=20 > (I) DSBSC component while the L-R information is contained on the=20 quadrature=20 > (Q) DSBSC component. >=20 > One could stop here and have a perfectly good AM stereo system.=20=20 Integrating=20 > (averaging) the signal on the receiving end between -90 to +90=20 degrees=20 > recovers the L+R information, while integrating the same signal=20 between 0 to 180=20 > degrees recovers the L-R information. Matrixing the two results=20 yields the=20 > original L and R components. >=20 > The problem with the above system is two-fold. First, the=20 absolute amplitude=20 > of the composite signal is a complex mathematical relationship=20 determined by=20 > the amplitude and phase of the Left, Right, and carrier signals.=20=20 As this is=20 > all a conventional envelope detector can detect, the output of the=20 detector is=20 > essentially meaningless. There goes compatibility. The other=20 problem is for=20 > the above system to work, the frequency and phase of the original=20 carrier must=20 > be somehow known at the receiver to a high degree of certainty=20 (accuracy).=20=20 > As there is no way to derived it from the incoming signal, that=20 becomes=20 > problematic. >=20 > So we are back to our DSBSC QUAM signal with a (L+R) in-phase=20 component and=20 > (L-R) quadrature component. To solve the missing carrier=20 information problem,=20 > we re-insert an in-phase carrier. Now we can recover the original=20 carrier=20 > phase information at the receiver end for our in-phase and=20 quadrature synchronous=20 > demodulators. The demodulators now yield back our L+R and L-R=20 signals which=20 > can then be matrixed to recover the L and R signals. We now have=20 a workable=20 > AM Stereo system, workable though not compatible. The absolute=20 amplitude of=20 > the composite signal detected by a conventional envelope detector=20 is still a=20 > complex product of the components which went into its creation. >=20 > So in the Motorola C-QUAM system, the above signal is put through=20 a limiter=20 > to remove its amplitude information, leaving only phase=20 information. To me,=20 > this sounds like a Rube Goldberg approach to what is simply=20 deriving the=20 > ArcTangent of the argument (L - R) / (1 + L + R), but that's what=20 it is. >=20 > We now have the phase of our C-QUAM carrier. The only thing left=20 to do is=20=20 > amplitude modulate it with the (L+R) signal. An envelope detector=20 will recover=20 > the L+R (mono) information just as it would a conventional AM=20 signal. An=20 > envelope detector is insensitive to phase, so the phase component=20 is simply lost=20 > in a regular mono receiver. >=20 > The only thing left to do is add a 25 hertz pilot tone 26dB down=20 to the L-R=20 > only signal. This produces no amplitude modulation of the=20 carrier, which is=20 > L+R, so it is not detected by a conventional receiver. Unlike the=20 19khz pilot=20 > used in FM Stereo, the AMS pilot contains no decoding=20 information. Its sole=20 > purpose is to identify an AM Stereo signal and turn-on the=20 decoding circuitry on=20 > an AMS receiver. >=20 > The selling point of the Motorola system was that not only was it=20 compatible=20 > with conventional AM receivers, it was also compatible with=20 existing AM=20 > transmitters. The Motorola box put out two signals. A constant=20 amplitude phase=20 > modulated RF carrier output which fed the existing RF chaim and a=20 L+R audio=20 > signal that fed the existing audio chain. >=20 > To be honest, I really don't understand the decoding scheme used=20 in the=20 > Motorola 130XX chips. I would just use a PLL with a long time=20 constant loop to reco > ver a phased locked 4x multiple of the original carrier phase, a=20 Type III=20 > Closen counter to derive in-phase and quadrature switching signals=20 at carrier=20 > frequency, and two synchronous detectors. A tone-decoding PLL=20 could detect the=20 > pilot tone. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Thank you so much Amy and Mike for your comments!!! My thought was about what kind of signal is at the output of the "I"=20 modulator, inside the QUAM part. This "I" modulator is a balanced modulator, so at its output we only=20 have the two sidebands (LSB+USB) but not the carrier (this is the=20 job of any balanced modulator). But, this sidebands are, in fact, the natural products of a simple=20 Amplitude (Envelope) Modulation technique!!! In other words, it is=20 the same Envelope modulator necessary products to any mono AM=20 receiver. because the "I" modulator sidebands are, actually, the L+R=20 audio signal. If we split the output of this "I" modulator into two path: one to=20 the QUAM summing network, and the other to final output AFTER the=20 QUAM limiter, and then we sum the pure "I" modulator sidebands with=20 the phase modulation products (from the limiter), we will get the=20 full C-QUAM signal. I'll try to "draw" it now: |---------------------| | | |--[I]----| | | | | [OSC]------[+]-----[LIMITER]-----[+]------ C-QUAM Signal | | |--[Q]----| So, we have: a) "I" modulator, fed by the In-phase carrier and the L+R audio. b) "Q" modulator, fed by the 90=BA carrier and the L-R audio. c) C-QUAM signal from the summing QUAM network and passed through=20 the Limiter. d) The final envelope signal, which is the result to add the Limiter=20 C-QUAM signal (PM) and the sidebands from the "I" modulator (which=20 is already an AM or envelope signal with the L+R audio). I hope you can understand my way. It's just a thought, a theorical=20 idea. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Jul 18 22:35:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93949 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2008 05:35:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2008 05:35:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2008 05:35:02 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c20.3faf25b5 (34947) for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 01:34:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hanksmithPC (s10.trico.az.wi-power.com [198.36.144.10]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA058-888348817cfd3e0; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 01:34:54 -0400 Return-Receipt-To: "hank smith" To: References: <007a01c8e821$14729ec0$6701a8c0@alexfcaddc2555> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:34:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Importance: High Thread-Index: AcjoVRkJ4T0b9ajpTpCQRwJUqg3pCwBC+a/Q Content-Language: en-us Disposition-Notification-To: "hank smith" X-AOL-IP: 198.36.144.10 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=9RrIInBYrWKl4NWgJhNkO2kMQMbAaGn7x4ZP8-sqzV_Hg2tgQ1Fy X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello do you want me to post some recordings from the madusi reciever? grand it these aren't in stereo there is no am cquam in tucson but let me know and I can still post some stuff here. if I get my am stereo transmitter working I will also post some recordings if you all want as well thanks From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Mousie Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:36 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo decoder board... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , "hank smith" wrote: > > does the reciever need all of these outputs in order to work with the decoder board? Mmm, yes. :) Power input: Duh! :) Something's gotta power the board, like all the rest of the circuitry inside. :) I.F. input: This is where the source signal comes from when it's decoded/demodulated. Most radios have a 450 or 455 kHz I.F. L and R outputs: These go to your receiver's audio amplifier board, which go to your speakers and headphones, with balance and tone controls. L.E.D. indicator output: If your radio already has a stereo indicator for FM, this goes there. Otherwise, you can add your own L.E.D. stereo indicator. (Not necessary, I guess, if you're completely blind, but what the hey, yes? :) > as far as the reciever that he cells for 150.00 > am using it with a make shift antanna for now still am waiting on the proper cable but this thing kicks total butt > the best 150.00 I spent > this thing sounds supurb If Jeff put out a portable or pocket unit, I'd do everything I could to buy one. :) He has not only built a reputation as Meduci with his tuners, he's someone I trust and respect on anything A.M.S.-related. :) (Certain acronyms are dotted for the sake of our blind readers using their computers' text-to-speech programs. Normally, I don't.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (THAT should sound weird on a text-to-speech program! It's a simple ASCII mouse, with a bow on her tail. :) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Jul 19 07:26:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57216 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2008 14:26:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2008 14:26:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2008 14:26:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 97810 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2008 14:26:36 -0000 X-Received: from [72.241.177.103] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:26:36 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:26:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <733777.97772.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=0uozgW8O0FtHXtGJW5Ki3YGdDM-dSlxQSzHHuVr0mqCUHULoqMCIb_I X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio This was the chuckle of the day, for sure: "...The board was then left to air dried (to allow the deadly developer to vaporize so it could be inhaled more readily) and washed, allowing what was left of it to go down the municipal drain to later get into the ground water supply to cause birth defects and cancer. At this point, you might have perhaps one good board out of two or three..." When I first started working 25 yrs ago, we tried, once and only once, to make our own circuit boards at work. The deadly smells, the rubber gloves, the sunlamps, drilling a zillion holes - it all stank - literally. I made the PCB layout with Bishop Graphics tape and an Xacto knife on a sheet of drawing mylar at 2X - took it out to have positive and negatives made at 1X (put registration marks so that they could measure them) and I was rather good at it, so that part wasn't so bad, just the etching was. I have used ExpressPCB and it takes forever to do the layout with their free software from hell, BUT, I'd rather spend 10-12 hours on the computer with the layout than two days of frustration burning my own photosense boards, hands and nosehairs! JP From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Jul 19 20:34:30 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80517 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2008 03:34:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2008 03:34:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.140) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2008 03:34:28 -0000 Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2008 03:34:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2008 03:34:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2008 03:34:27 -0000 Date: 20 Jul 2008 03:34:26 -0000 Message-ID: <1216524866.40711.94611.w108@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /pdf/rcareview196009.djvu Uploaded by : amymousie Description : RCA Review from RCA Labs (now Lucent), Sept. 1960 on AM stereo. Recommended reading. Created in DjVu format. Viewers/tools may be found at http://www.celartem.com/en/download/djvu.asp or http://djvu.sourceforge.net/ More info on this PDF alternative at http://djvu.org/ You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/pdf/rcareview196009.djvu To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, amymousie From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Jul 19 22:42:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25765 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2008 05:42:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2008 05:42:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.213) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2008 05:42:17 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2008 05:42:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2008 05:42:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2008 05:42:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 05:42:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1216524866.40711.94611.w108@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.1.251 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=PnMvYpG7NNHURLtNVjNHs88R-8YthCX2xD4aEuOIWbn1AeQK X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > File : /pdf/rcareview196009.djvu=20 > Uploaded by : amymousie =20 > Description : RCA Review from RCA Labs (now Lucent), Sept. 1960 on AM stereo. Recommended reading. Created in DjVu format. Viewers/tools may be found at http://www.celartem.com/en/download/djvu.asp or http://djvu.sourceforge.net/ More info on this PDF alternative at http://djvu.org/=20 >=20 Just a correction: It's AT&T Bell Labs that became Lucent; RCA Labs became Sarnoff Corporation. I even emailed them a couple years back asking about any of the papers they had on their labs' AMS experiments back in the '50s & '60s- I did get a response saying they did (minus the prototypes they built), and I was welcome to them if I wanted to scan them myself. Well, since Princeton, NJ is too far away for me to travel with a scanner... *sigh* Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Jul 20 18:08:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7030 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2008 01:08:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2008 01:08:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2008 01:08:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54865 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2008 01:08:21 -0000 X-Received: from [72.241.177.103] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:08:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:08:21 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <162777.54279.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: SRF-A42 Sold X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=mxg-MnfFtTn2vYtepJ3HdqRnuBNKoq5UzvEtPSWOm6wrxxUCldtFYwA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Wow, who said AM Stereo isn't still alive? Did you see the winning bid for the SRF-42 AM Stereo radio? Winning bid: US $103.51 ! From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jul 20 20:08:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26800 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2008 03:08:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2008 03:08:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2008 03:08:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bf4.2fd75f17 (39952) for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:08:50 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF-A42 Sold X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=jjlfUq2I92ogP_1dbwfA6YGl-VoGudFqs6OclMdamaW-bfKSHST0Kbz4ce22uOI_ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/20/08 8:08:51 PM Central Daylight Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > Wow, who said AM Stereo isn't still alive? Did you see the winning bid for > the SRF-42 AM Stereo radio? Winning bid: US $103.51 ! > Some folks are just hoarders. There question is what are they listening to? Along the same line, I save all my Bishop Graphics layout material for when that technology will once again return. I wish AM Stereo would make a revival, however, like my BG layout materials, I have my doubts it will happen. Unlike my BG material which went obsolete because people got smarter, AMS went away because people got dumber. Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Jul 20 20:28:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99885 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2008 03:28:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2008 03:28:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2008 03:28:47 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bd2.27afa86d (34946) for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:28:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hanksmithPC (s10.trico.az.wi-power.com [198.36.144.10]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA057-8882488402641e5; Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:28:41 -0400 Message-ID: <9C9639F20B2F4F6296243986E2D883CD@hanksmithPC> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:28:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 Disposition-Notification-To: "hank smith" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-AOL-IP: 198.36.144.10 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF-A42 Sold X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=PFiWk4GriTRQ5we7dn0y6tbR0Ho5Jpav3k5FkOmbZ1gHHz_JG2T6 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit has radio technology ever made a revival? just curious ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:08 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF-A42 Sold In a message dated 7/20/08 8:08:51 PM Central Daylight Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > Wow, who said AM Stereo isn't still alive? Did you see the winning bid for > the SRF-42 AM Stereo radio? Winning bid: US $103.51 ! > Some folks are just hoarders. There question is what are they listening to? Along the same line, I save all my Bishop Graphics layout material for when that technology will once again return. I wish AM Stereo would make a revival, however, like my BG layout materials, I have my doubts it will happen. Unlike my BG material which went obsolete because people got smarter, AMS went away because people got dumber. Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Jul 20 21:35:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 674 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2008 04:35:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2008 04:35:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2008 04:35:30 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2008 04:35:30 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2008 04:35:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2008 04:35:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:35:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9C9639F20B2F4F6296243986E2D883CD@hanksmithPC> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.53 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF-A42 Sold X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=o3LtZVuYSmgKafW6XHAYcpknQewYLGpNuvOETgSxOzVmP8Ge8g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > has radio technology ever made a revival? > just curious Why not, now? Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jul 21 00:46:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64052 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2008 07:46:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2008 07:46:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2008 07:46:31 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.ce2.33f0aac6 (30737) for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:46:28 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} SRF-A42 Sold X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=8WbCiJbW_r9CXRB_1AjnwGLaGbtE1-UzE390Rtf49dTTtug4AOFaja6X2g_aLVLE X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/20/08 10:29:14 PM Central Daylight Time, ke7ief@aol.com writes: > has radio technology ever made a revival? > just curious > Absoutely. With the onset of television after WWII, everyone thought radio was dead as Marconi. True, radio would never be what it was before the war with families huddled around a console set in their living listening to the lastest installment of The Shadow, the antics of Burns and Allen, or the live music of My Hit Parade. However, radio was far from dead. It just needed to be re-invented. A Nebraska beer heir had the vision to see the future of radio. His name was Todd Storz. He didn't see radios future as a recreation of its Golden Era, but rather something else entirely. Starting with a 500 watt daytime in Omaha, he invented the format which would be known as Top 40 radio. It didn't try to compete with television. It stood on its own. Many stations followed and it breathed new life into the media for the next quarter century. For a media to succeed, it takes a rare synergy between technology, marketing, and art. Radio will come again. Actually, I believe the C-QUAM system was, and still is, the best technology for the AM broadcast band. I believe the best is yet to come in terms of formats. I would hate to think that what is now Talk Radio will be the zenith for a media pioneered by giants like Edward R. Murrow and Jack Benny, not to mention the later contributions of Wolfman Jack, Don Rose, Larry Lujack and many others too numerous to name. There is power between 530 to 1700 kilohertz which waiting for a new generation to grab the lightning. Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 07:04:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53491 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2008 14:04:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2008 14:04:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.50) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2008 14:04:07 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n31.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2008 14:04:07 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.71] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2008 14:04:07 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2008 14:04:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 490545.44933.bm@omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 48657 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2008 14:04:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.201.234 with plain) by smtp128.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2008 14:04:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OvftomMVM1khU_el7c9LtesVsADPIplCpJulj6thDkc7Ufttgh_OBp21cDcO.iCKjNi18IRbffkpf9cpGLw3lbrKKznJs20HIYoae4_JnpJ3LsuNu4gLvfFoI8O_aUCiMQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:04:05 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=cRVrbvjGZVvKVuoZjG3TUtNbz2SSzklLEaXYAPo0Esg6S_HBdQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Jul 21, 2008, at 2:46 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > There is power between > 530 to 1700 kilohertz which waiting for a new generation to grab > the lightning. What will happen, or radio will suffer the fate of the dinosaur, is that some station owner will be desperate with his station about dead, and he or she will just turn the mike over to some 18 year old kid. They will turn off the satellite at night and pay some kid $10 an hour and tell him to play or talk about whatever he or she wants from 8PM to Midnight. People won't care if the show is on AM or FM if its good enough. Without any bird crap off the satellite and all the homogenized McRadio slime if they leave the kid alone and he is good, then an audience will build. Let it run for a year without touching the program. Hands off. This is EXACTLY what happened with FM in the 60s and it kicked the crap out of AM. It was the next big thing and ran for 25 years. The other thing is that they need to have LESS ads and charge more for each ad in a SHORTER stopset. Then the production people need to find a way to have the ads be less obtrusive. Let the kid at night kind of sneak the ad in to the show in a low key way. The station needs to PODCAST the show so people who like it can time shift it. Sell the advertisers on the radio cume and also the podcast cume. The advertiser only wants to know that people are listening, they don't care if its the radio or a podcast. And push podcasts of your shows on your radio station in a big way. If it doesn't happen, then iPods rule the world and in 20 more years when all the people who were in high school in 1985 die off, radio is dead. Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jul 21 08:12:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86291 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2008 15:12:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2008 15:12:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2008 15:12:27 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c56.3ce283a1 (48600) for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:12:19 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=JX-FuAbLnMpksG-PTOOvHcPAJDEtX_8CAI_yUEy7-hsusE8DVgcV_AuE3dFDxZtI X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, Thanks for your thoughts. Despite what some owners have tried to make of it, radio is not just a community juke box. It's about entertainment and when it comes to entertainment, the muses are indeed fickle. We have a version of your idea here. Bring your own audience (or at least sponsors), and you've got yourself a show, AM or FM, to do with as more or less you please. Except for a few stations, most here are lucky to pay the light bill. The problem with ad rates is the fragmentation and saturation of the market. There is just too much bandwidth to cost effectively program at a profit. With the decline of ad rates, stations try to make it up by selling more time which only exacerbates the problem. Ads are alright. The problem is the ads aren't entertaining anymore for the most part. When I was younger, I would await the Coke spots just as much as the latest chartbuster power hit . "I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony....." Speaking of creative advertising, the Anheuser Busch Company here is St. Louis has been taken over by a Belgium conglomerate who promises to gut it like a Mississippi River catfish. From the Clydesdale Beer Wagon emerging from the gates at Grant's Farm to "When you say Bud..." to the Real Men of Genius campaign, A-B ad spots are entertaining. If I worked for A-B, as my last act, I would have the ad agency do one of those Real Men of Genius spots featuring Carlos Brito, the CEO of InBev. Of course, it would get you fired like a hooker with a case of the clap, but why not go out in style rather than wait for a couple of guys from security to show up at your desk with a cardboard box just as the phone rings with a call from the HR department? Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Jul 21 17:22:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86951 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2008 00:22:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2008 00:22:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2008 00:22:00 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.91] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080721192143100247700010> for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:21:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005301c8eb91$66922c20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:21:43 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=boRwr9nSfApXVP7agNxzg-f-eOxuqSPIzoDSUWlOwBbMj8KSWRPc X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Depends upon whether the pay per play tax for radio goes through. This is a classic case of be careful what you wish for because you just might get it with all its disastrous consequences because it'll make playing music so expensive that play lists will be pared even further so that only the surest of hits will get played. The so-called fairness doctrine will cause even more stations to flip to sports. This impending era of reregulation will put the kaibosh on the future of radio, not enhance it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding What will happen, or radio will suffer the fate of the dinosaur, is that some station owner will be desperate with his station about dead, and he or she will just turn the mike over to some 18 year old kid. They will turn off the satellite at night and pay some kid $10 an hour and tell him to play or talk about whatever he or she wants from 8PM to Midnight. People won't care if the show is on AM or FM if its good enough. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 17:27:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24409 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2008 00:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2008 00:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.91) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2008 00:27:31 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2008 00:27:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.144] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2008 00:27:31 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp202.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2008 00:27:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 527176.22550.bm@omp202.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 96140 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2008 00:27:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.201.234 with plain) by smtp104.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2008 00:27:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3sfh4J8VM1kAOTHXiVP.n0uG_7TZkJtJPt1_BuI6aGgY.OTmAbhaIFWjLTjPlLdZChq.OIMwRMyWgjHFeSLlXNR1bzjYYxnbkVwYxAsZ._s0RlJuTBQST.jQxI.qN75_qA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <005301c8eb91$66922c20$d503fea9@stodd> References: <005301c8eb91$66922c20$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:27:26 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=XXO-6_Zd9cd9tEaLHx6h8vJNbNS6ozmnJ0YCiqbPT9lBKO9iQg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Jul 21, 2008, at 7:21 PM, wrote: > The so-called fairness doctrine will cause even more stations to > flip to sports. I anxiously await its return. Kevin From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 18:32:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99409 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2008 01:32:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2008 01:32:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.213) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2008 01:32:52 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2008 01:32:52 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2008 01:32:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2008 01:32:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:32:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.33.168 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=bdhGd64uDm6Wu_kXWOWXkCSJxacnyyNa0ZzGomDaMya1vBJm X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding wrote: > >=20 > On Jul 21, 2008, at 7:21 PM, wrote: >=20 > > The so-called fairness doctrine will cause even more stations to=20=20 > > flip to sports. >=20 > I anxiously await its return. For one thing, radio was at its peak when the Fairness Doctrine was enforced. When it was gutted, so was radio, and look what we have now, hmm? Additionally, copyright royalties have already gotten so out of control that it has an already-tight stranglehold on what music and other productions can be broadcast, often to the point where many outfits can't afford to do anything BUT feed off the birds. Advertising isn't that big a problem, but it depends on how it's handled. Insofar as copyrights, many artists are now divorcing themselves from the RIAA's mob-like vice-grip on music by going to open-copyright, or so-called "copyleft", means for retaining their copyright rights without forcing stations to pay extortion fees. I openly support Creative Commons, GPL Music License and other similar "copyleft" systems, as well as music that have expired into the Public Domain (most music performance copyrights prior to 1972 have, but certain money-makingt catalogues have been renewed over the years, so... No Beatles, Stones or Elvis, there. :) ), and I encourage stations to boycott anything currently under the RIAA's control in favour of such. Creative Commons is the fastest-growing alternative to the RIAA's control, and many big-name artists have switched to Creative Commons. Lastly, radio stations that focus on serving their community of license-- REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL AFFILIATION-- tend to be the successors in this industry, NOT the cookie-cutter bird-fed shops that are only there just to pick up advertising dollars. Stations like KGO-AM in San Francisco or KHUM in Ferndale (near where I live-- Remember the storms we had, here? I still do- KHUM got national awards for excellence, for being local enough to actually SERVE THE PUBLIC), or WNMB in North Myrtle Beach, who do all their programming locally.... They succeed in their markets because they care enough about the community, the community returns the favour. Canned programming just doesn't work towards the survival of the medium.... And with digital TV switching over in February, far too many are going to need something to switch to when they can't afford to upgrade...and radio is going to be a very important medium if it steps up to the challenge. Let's take back radio... the music... the community... our nation... OUR FREEDOM. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From robert.w.welch@att.net Mon Jul 21 19:04:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47677 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2008 02:04:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2008 02:04:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2008 02:04:12 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2008 02:04:12 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2008 02:04:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2008 02:04:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:04:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.58.159 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=5QgDk3RUDFw2JOZZnTPS1w5WmvAuirhKCZX_1YJN_V_Ab32eJ9rr X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 As I make this post... I realize that the proud station I used to work for is strange these days... in that it has no format... and never had one. It never was sucked into the Top-40 craze.. although it as always played some music... It's always been a Red Sox Radio Network station although it's not a sportsradio station... and it has the ears of every local and state politician... but, it is not a newsradio or news/talk station. Ever since the day of it's first efforts July 31, 1931.. WDEV has always been the place Vermonters feel most at home.=20 When I got a full-time job someplace else... I felt awful leaving it.=20=20 When the person who signs your check is the man in the office right downstairs and who remembers as a boy seeing his dad turn the station on for the first time... that's when you realize you've encountered the real thing. Anson Tebbits (former WCAX-TV Montpelier Bureau Chief)... gasp a full-blown bureau covering the happenings at the statehouse with another reporter on the heels of the Governor.. gasp.. whoa.. I digress.. said himself "Vermont is a radio state" Mr Tebbits said this to Vermont Life magazine.. due to the fact that with the income of Vermonter's being such that WDEV's 550 signal blankets the state with ease and his own station's signal at VHF 3 on Mount Mansfield can't have a signal coverage even close to WDEV Radio... and unless it's over-the-air.. most don't even have TV sets.. still. Radio... and more importantly "RadioVermont" is king. I felt humbled to have been given the opportunity to utter the call letters WDEV Waterbury-Montpelier.. WDEV-FM Warren at the top of each hour on Saturday afternoons and Sunday evenings for the better of 6 years. Now only 6 months after having left... my new radio home suffers from satellite glitches everytime it rains. I have to do "satellite cover".. even for AP Radio News... It has become so annoying that I'm considering getting out of the business... because I love Vermont.. and for another reason... I can still listen to WDEV even at the new address 60 miles from the transmitters. Bob in Vermont Vive la radio.. libre. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding > wrote: > > > >=20 > > On Jul 21, 2008, at 7:21 PM, wrote: > >=20 > > > The so-called fairness doctrine will cause even more stations to=20=20 > > > flip to sports. > >=20 > > I anxiously await its return. >=20 > For one thing, radio was at its peak when the Fairness Doctrine was > enforced. When it was gutted, so was radio, and look what we have now, > hmm? >=20 > Additionally, copyright royalties have already gotten so out of > control that it has an already-tight stranglehold on what music and > other productions can be broadcast, often to the point where many > outfits can't afford to do anything BUT feed off the birds. >=20 > Advertising isn't that big a problem, but it depends on how it's handled. >=20 > Insofar as copyrights, many artists are now divorcing themselves from > the RIAA's mob-like vice-grip on music by going to open-copyright, or > so-called "copyleft", means for retaining their copyright rights > without forcing stations to pay extortion fees. I openly support > Creative Commons, GPL Music License and other similar "copyleft" > systems, as well as music that have expired into the Public Domain > (most music performance copyrights prior to 1972 have, but certain > money-makingt catalogues have been renewed over the years, so... No > Beatles, Stones or Elvis, there. :) ), and I encourage stations to > boycott anything currently under the RIAA's control in favour of such. > Creative Commons is the fastest-growing alternative to the RIAA's > control, and many big-name artists have switched to Creative Commons. >=20 > Lastly, radio stations that focus on serving their community of > license-- REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL AFFILIATION-- tend to be the > successors in this industry, NOT the cookie-cutter bird-fed shops that > are only there just to pick up advertising dollars. Stations like > KGO-AM in San Francisco or KHUM in Ferndale (near where I live-- > Remember the storms we had, here? I still do- KHUM got national awards > for excellence, for being local enough to actually SERVE THE PUBLIC), > or WNMB in North Myrtle Beach, who do all their programming > locally.... They succeed in their markets because they care enough > about the community, the community returns the favour. >=20 > Canned programming just doesn't work towards the survival of the > medium.... And with digital TV switching over in February, far too > many are going to need something to switch to when they can't afford > to upgrade...and radio is going to be a very important medium if it > steps up to the challenge. >=20 > Let's take back radio... the music... the community... our nation... > OUR FREEDOM. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jul 21 19:16:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37066 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2008 02:16:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2008 02:16:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2008 02:16:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c47.3a312ee0 (37558) for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:16:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB037-92b648854305234; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:16:37 -0400 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MA21 (webmail-ma21.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.85]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.10) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA013-5c45488542fe36f; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:16:30 -0400 References: <005301c8eb91$66922c20$d503fea9@stodd> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:16:30 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <005301c8eb91$66922c20$d503fea9@stodd> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37668-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.85) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:16:30 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAB9B816C0F097-D6C-34A4@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=OxwOrZqGcreU2Wdhtkz4GiY2_6912ymv1aAXzvwr1fV5zQigfzLq2Gylefs32fOP X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with Amy.? Radio flourished under the Fairness Doctrine.? Just look what you have today when every right-wing nutcase, and those pretending to be right-wing nutcases, has a talk show. What many fail to understand is the airways are not privately owned.? They belong to the people.? Private entities are licensed to use for airways in the public interest. By the way, what happened to time when record companies would PAY to get their product on the air instead of the other way around? The only thing the RIAA has done that has proven worthwhile is come up with a standard equalization curve for records.? Their legal eagles are probably trying to figure out a way to get royalties from that. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Mon Jul 21 19:31:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55423 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2008 02:31:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2008 02:31:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2008 02:31:49 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail19.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.159]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEJLTWDAFYCMMS for (sender ); Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:31:31 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDx/OCreW8m2dMZxJRW4uO74= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail19.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NQNYQL4M; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:30:37 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.244.200] by webmail19.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:29:37 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:29:37 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080721.192937.29835.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 24:12:1585440031 X-MAIL-INFO:11eaf3d71b8f834e3eba3b4ebf6b332b4b9b5a4a3ecf3faa7fe74be3bbaf5ecf5eeff7bbaa1aded30a8a7eaade3aabca63c38ac3e7df73b7 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.159|webmail19.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=12ZPXfcsf6TCwbpsp1yiAW7sF8BQRa8j6ebRXYvjzA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn I agree with Senator Obama: Obama Does Not Support Return of Fairness Doctrine There may be some Democrats talking about reimposing the Fairness Doctrine,= but one very important one does not: presumptive presidential nominee Bara= ck Obama. By John Eggerton -- Broadcasting & Cable There may be some Democrats talking about reimposing the Fairness Doctrine,= but one very important one does not: presumptive presidential nominee Bara= ck Obama. Barack Obama The Illinois senator=92s top aide said the issue continues to be used as a = distraction from more pressing media business. "Sen. Obama does not support reimposing the Fairness Doctrine on broadcaste= rs," press secretary Michael Ortiz said in an e-mail to B&C late Wednesday. "He considers this debate to be a distraction from the conversation we shou= ld be having about opening up the airwaves and modern communications to as = many diverse viewpoints as possible," Ortiz added. "That is why Sen. Obama = supports media-ownership caps, network neutrality, public broadcasting, as = well as increasing minority ownership of broadcasting and print outlets." Free speech guaranteed by the First Amendment should include all media. In addition, the listeners and viewers also should be free to choose what t= hey want to watch and listen to.=20 Listeners are what advertisers are paying for. Without the product (radio l= isteners) there is no sale of air time.=20 Don -- "Amy Mousie" wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding wrote: > >=20 > On Jul 21, 2008, at 7:21 PM, wrote: >=20 > > The so-called fairness doctrine will cause even more stations to=20=20 > > flip to sports. >=20 > I anxiously await its return. For one thing, radio was at its peak when the Fairness Doctrine was enforced. When it was gutted, so was radio, and look what we have now, hmm? Additionally, copyright royalties have already gotten so out of control that it has an already-tight stranglehold on what music and other productions can be broadcast, often to the point where many outfits can't afford to do anything BUT feed off the birds. Advertising isn't that big a problem, but it depends on how it's handled. Insofar as copyrights, many artists are now divorcing themselves from the RIAA's mob-like vice-grip on music by going to open-copyright, or so-called "copyleft", means for retaining their copyright rights without forcing stations to pay extortion fees. I openly support Creative Commons, GPL Music License and other similar "copyleft" systems, as well as music that have expired into the Public Domain (most music performance copyrights prior to 1972 have, but certain money-makingt catalogues have been renewed over the years, so... No Beatles, Stones or Elvis, there. :) ), and I encourage stations to boycott anything currently under the RIAA's control in favour of such. Creative Commons is the fastest-growing alternative to the RIAA's control, and many big-name artists have switched to Creative Commons. Lastly, radio stations that focus on serving their community of license-- REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL AFFILIATION-- tend to be the successors in this industry, NOT the cookie-cutter bird-fed shops that are only there just to pick up advertising dollars. Stations like KGO-AM in San Francisco or KHUM in Ferndale (near where I live-- Remember the storms we had, here? I still do- KHUM got national awards for excellence, for being local enough to actually SERVE THE PUBLIC), or WNMB in North Myrtle Beach, who do all their programming locally.... They succeed in their markets because they care enough about the community, the community returns the favour. Canned programming just doesn't work towards the survival of the medium.... And with digital TV switching over in February, far too many are going to need something to switch to when they can't afford to upgrade...and radio is going to be a very important medium if it steps up to the challenge. Let's take back radio... the music... the community... our nation... OUR FREEDOM. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 21:22:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67719 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2008 04:22:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2008 04:22:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2008 04:22:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96969 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2008 04:22:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:22:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:22:56 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAB9B816C0F097-D6C-34A4@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <468525.96739.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=h1_kAAo6gDgYvQC--LkoUa4UAwEjvKsmm7E2Tz31Xx-eLA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 And if they can get a fee for the RIAA curve, I'll only buy vinyl that follows the CCIR curve! Seems the RIAA has gone the same way as the NAB. They used to be for the good of radio excellence, setting standards for everything down to tape spool design ("NAB hub"). Now they are a bunch of political hacks that couldn't care less if a station sounds like a telephone call from Melbourne...as long as it makes money. Hmmm, kinda sounds like the FCC under Micheal Powell, doesn't it? George --- On Mon, 7/21/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio's future > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 10:16 PM > I agree with Amy.? Radio flourished under the Fairness > Doctrine.? Just look what you have today when every > right-wing nutcase, and those pretending to be right-wing > nutcases, has a talk show. > > What many fail to understand is the airways are not > privately owned.? They belong to the people.? Private > entities are licensed to use for airways in the public > interest. > > By the way, what happened to time when record companies > would PAY to get their product on the air instead of the > other way around? > > The only thing the RIAA has done that has proven worthwhile > is come up with a standard equalization curve for records.? > Their legal eagles are probably trying to figure out a way > to get royalties from that. > > Mike > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 21:24:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81698 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2008 04:24:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2008 04:24:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2008 04:24:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 93177 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2008 04:24:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:24:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:24:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080721.192937.29835.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <234815.93137.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=lmHsqgXgd49nGx0pvgfzCmpRf6acTBkei9iqw4gzpvOWZg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Thanks...you just helped me decide how to vote this fall! G --- On Mon, 7/21/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio's future > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 10:29 PM > I agree with Senator Obama: >=20 > Obama Does Not Support Return of Fairness Doctrine > There may be some Democrats talking about reimposing the > Fairness Doctrine, but one very important one does not: > presumptive presidential nominee Barack Obama. >=20 > By John Eggerton -- Broadcasting & Cable >=20 > There may be some Democrats talking about reimposing the > Fairness Doctrine, but one very important one does not: > presumptive presidential nominee Barack Obama. > Barack Obama >=20 > The Illinois senator=E2=80=99s top aide said the issue continues > to be used as a distraction from more pressing media > business. >=20 > "Sen. Obama does not support reimposing the Fairness > Doctrine on broadcasters," press secretary Michael > Ortiz said in an e-mail to B&C late Wednesday. >=20 > "He considers this debate to be a distraction from the > conversation we should be having about opening up the > airwaves and modern communications to as many diverse > viewpoints as possible," Ortiz added. "That is > why Sen. Obama supports media-ownership caps, network > neutrality, public broadcasting, as well as increasing > minority ownership of broadcasting and print outlets." >=20 > Free speech guaranteed by the First Amendment should > include all media. > In addition, the listeners and viewers also should be free > to choose what they want to watch and listen to.=20 >=20 > Listeners are what advertisers are paying for. Without the > product (radio listeners) there is no sale of air time.=20 >=20 > Don >=20 > -- "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding > > wrote: > > > >=20 > > On Jul 21, 2008, at 7:21 PM, > wrote: > >=20 > > > The so-called fairness doctrine will cause even > more stations to=20=20 > > > flip to sports. > >=20 > > I anxiously await its return. >=20 > For one thing, radio was at its peak when the Fairness > Doctrine was > enforced. When it was gutted, so was radio, and look what > we have now, > hmm? >=20 > Additionally, copyright royalties have already gotten so > out of > control that it has an already-tight stranglehold on what > music and > other productions can be broadcast, often to the point > where many > outfits can't afford to do anything BUT feed off the > birds. >=20 > Advertising isn't that big a problem, but it depends on > how it's handled. >=20 > Insofar as copyrights, many artists are now divorcing > themselves from > the RIAA's mob-like vice-grip on music by going to > open-copyright, or > so-called "copyleft", means for retaining their > copyright rights > without forcing stations to pay extortion fees. I openly > support > Creative Commons, GPL Music License and other similar > "copyleft" > systems, as well as music that have expired into the Public > Domain > (most music performance copyrights prior to 1972 have, but > certain > money-makingt catalogues have been renewed over the years, > so... No > Beatles, Stones or Elvis, there. :) ), and I encourage > stations to > boycott anything currently under the RIAA's control in > favour of such. > Creative Commons is the fastest-growing alternative to the > RIAA's > control, and many big-name artists have switched to > Creative Commons. >=20 > Lastly, radio stations that focus on serving their > community of > license-- REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL AFFILIATION-- tend to be > the > successors in this industry, NOT the cookie-cutter bird-fed > shops that > are only there just to pick up advertising dollars. > Stations like > KGO-AM in San Francisco or KHUM in Ferndale (near where I > live-- > Remember the storms we had, here? I still do- KHUM got > national awards > for excellence, for being local enough to actually SERVE > THE PUBLIC), > or WNMB in North Myrtle Beach, who do all their programming > locally.... They succeed in their markets because they care > enough > about the community, the community returns the favour. >=20 > Canned programming just doesn't work towards the > survival of the > medium.... And with digital TV switching over in February, > far too > many are going to need something to switch to when they > can't afford > to upgrade...and radio is going to be a very important > medium if it > steps up to the challenge. >=20 > Let's take back radio... the music... the community... > our nation... > OUR FREEDOM. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ =20=20=20=20=20=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 05:13:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43903 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2008 12:13:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2008 12:13:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2008 12:13:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 79517 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2008 12:13:00 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.21] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:12:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:12:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <991357.79037.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Q9CeHHfffepaou51hxboGJQg8qz9EXd2HbHy7LzrcRc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 7/21/08, kevin redding wrote: > > The so-called fairness doctrine will cause even more > stations to > > flip to sports. > > I anxiously await its return. So you want censorship. That's what it will be. That will bankrupt many radio stations. And then the music money grubbers will do that to the music stations. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 05:17:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93818 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2008 12:17:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2008 12:17:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2008 12:17:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26468 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2008 12:17:48 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.21] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:17:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:17:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <172956.26416.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=4goi5557Aa-IPtYSCVlZ_gt-klWGpuPxE-6laSScaMM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 7/21/08, Amy Mousie wrote: > > For one thing, radio was at its peak when the Fairness > Doctrine was > enforced. When it was gutted, so was radio, and look what > we have now, > hmm? But then there was NO talk radio as we have it today. The left wingers get in power and can't just order talk radio off the air, but the way the "fairness" doctrine will be worded will do the same thing. And if the music royalties go up thousands of dollars for even the smallest stations they will just give up and turn in the license. That's almost a form of censorship itself. At WKDK our music royalty fees are by far the LARGEST monthly outlay, being over a thousand a month for a small TOWN radio station covering about 15,000 folks. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 05:39:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1910 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2008 12:39:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2008 12:39:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2008 12:39:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49177 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2008 12:39:02 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.21] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:39:02 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:39:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAB9B816C0F097-D6C-34A4@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <514308.49018.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=VcUUTr0F-4k2bBOiL86mMnB28zTHl56O-h4fm03WRjM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > By the way, what happened to time when record companies > would PAY to get their product on the air instead of the > other way around? You mean payola? > The only thing the RIAA has done that has proven worthwhile > is come up with a standard equalization curve for records.? > Their legal eagles are probably trying to figure out a way > to get royalties from that. The NAB sat back and didn't go out whole hog when the internet came under fire to extort royalties out of internet radio. And now "they" are coming after radio stations. They don't know what to do. Powell From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jul 22 10:07:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79866 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2008 17:07:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2008 17:07:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2008 17:07:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c4f.318b3152 (32914) for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:07:36 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=EpiI5U_xnsUusEbkrAlUfTQTbRrN6QJxc3vtecNJTNIT0a945Wk1JR0SvwrGOyfq X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If this is so, I disagree with Senator Obama on this point. The Fairness Doctrine does not restrict free speech but rather guarantees it. It assures a presentation of opposing ideas on civic matters. The air time that broadcasters are selling belongs to the public, not them. The public airwaves are analogous to the town square. The Constitution guarantees everyone access to it. It's not the marketplace where access comes at price and only those who can afford to buy space can be there. Talk radio has become too monolythic. There is no longer just a right wing bias, other perspectives have been silenced. When the marketplace fails the public, it the government's role to step in with regulation to restore balance. Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jul 22 10:16:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88484 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2008 17:16:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2008 17:16:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2008 17:16:06 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cb8.345e9586 (32914) for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:15:59 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=hAvIhZMmMf2Fn4Bp_z9KPdSvfgcauWZX7BSB_Kcz4rCq9DMp7iw2UGfIyq4ZBRQ7 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't want this thread to get too political, but I think Sen. Obama kisses too many butts too often. He needs to do things "The Chicago Way". I say what worked for Al Capone to Mayor Daley will work for Barack. Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 10:34:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69456 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2008 17:34:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2008 17:34:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.50) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2008 17:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n31.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2008 17:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.70] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2008 17:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2008 17:34:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 681446.52279.bm@omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 27462 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2008 17:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.197.161 with plain) by smtp119.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2008 17:34:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: p45e_K4VM1nt9Aa6wwNlets7BeOPRkGspYagCguRXWngOC.mvM7keT6XdQc4ZpuMDhyMqTlRisNOSdo.BcSKpOQw8QBIoRY__OeQlkJVrOVXXY00MDezKAkoAryywjP9kA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9F744B95-B781-42FA-89EB-3BC32D5C4225@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:34:37 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=_PTQ2gh3shu96NNtf5gV8AiZVK6PjYUB7ZOzm2qWDdflSaUnuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Jul 22, 2008, at 12:07 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > The Fairness Doctrine does not restrict free speech but rather > guarantees it. > It assures a presentation of opposing ideas on civic matters. The > air time > that broadcasters are selling belongs to the public, not them. Mike, You and I think alike on this topic. Now if we could just get the broadcasters to widen their signals and put C-QUAM or Kahn or even Harris/Magnavox. I would take any of them right now over the hissing crap that is wrecking the AM band now. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 10:46:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5816 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2008 17:46:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2008 17:46:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2008 17:46:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 69943 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2008 17:46:40 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:46:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:46:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <469089.69233.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=07rfcYRDSHGxaRYcwEX-rH3AcXMOiMbwPUT5ZJ_hw1A X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- On Tue, 7/22/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: >> If this is so, I disagree with Senator Obama on this point. I don't agree with Senator Obama on much but on this I agree. > The Fairness Doctrine does not restrict free speech but > rather guarantees it. > It assures a presentation of opposing ideas on civic > matters. The air time > that broadcasters are selling belongs to the public, not > them. This is a specious argument. The Fairness Doctrine as before will not be revived as before. The NEW Fairness Doctrine willl be written so it will prevent talk radio from surviving. > The public airwaves are analogous to the town square. NOT. The > Constitution guarantees everyone access to it. There was NO radio when the Constitution was written. It's not the > marketplace where access comes at > price and only those who can afford to buy space can be > there. This makes no sense. > Talk radio has become too monolythic. There is no longer > just a right wing > bias, other perspectives have been silenced. When the > marketplace fails the > public, it the government's role to step in with > regulation to restore balance. AHHHHH we now get to the point. Left wing radio failed miserably so we censor the other. I get your point LOUD and CLEAR! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Jul 22 11:00:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80184 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2008 18:00:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2008 18:00:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao107.cox.net) (68.230.241.39) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2008 18:00:41 -0000 X-Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080722180040.EAEX29505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:00:40 -0400 X-Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id t60g1Z00J1sYu840460g0S; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:00:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <392588BE-BD37-46AE-A8B3-5A73FBF46FB6@cox.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:00:39 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=D-pGDEnIbSwSsqydNx9aRGT2ekY-GZecJam-236zT1K7Bs0G2gGA1J3HBYy8 X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No one had a problem with it when the talk shows were all from "the other side." On Jul 22, 2008, at 10:07 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > There is no longer just a right wing > bias, other perspectives have been silenced. When the marketplace > fails the > public, it the government's role to step in with regulation to > restore balance. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jul 22 11:20:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47393 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2008 18:20:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2008 18:20:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2008 18:20:48 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c01.3fe69f1b (41809) for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:20:32 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Zjwm-uksM33-lybXL9tEVs7zDZ_MzZ-DeZnY8iMQgogONsrxIjdTZqx6noN0iY6n X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/22/08 1:01:17 PM Central Daylight Time, rwagoner@cox.net writes: > No one had a problem with it when the talk shows were all from "the > other side." > Like? 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(http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Tue Jul 22 18:20:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66475 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2008 01:20:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2008 01:20:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2008 01:20:54 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail07.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.147]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEJPB4DASX2MKJ for (sender ); Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:20:03 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD6Xuj3/rwphcfrBXvFo6dPQ= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail07.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NQRE2QNE; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:19:17 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.244.200] by webmail07.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:18:31 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:18:31 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080722.181831.4305.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 7:3:1780810124 X-MAIL-INFO:5cd99569556c0d199cb165950d087d75e9216d X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.147|webmail07.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=pCyOa99SeNq4TozPXNuPTzzCvlXbR_W9pRIhKBke7A X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Some of us on this list have a very limited knowledge of the radio broadcas= ting business. Broadcasters do not sell air time. We sell access to our lis= tening base. The more listeners we have within a certain demographic the mo= re we can charge for that access. What we sell no more belong to the public= than the privately owned bus that provides transportation around your 'tow= n square' example. I own several AM stations that I purchased in the mid 1980's when many of t= he former owners had walked away from or lost the stations in bankruptcy. I= t was so sad to see beautiful facilities abandoned for lack of funds to kee= p the antiquated station's vacuum tubes glowing.=20 I was able to make these stations profitable by reducing expenses and provi= ding programing that attracted a listener base that then attracted advertis= ers. Today's talk radio has been very profitable for station owners. There = are no perspectives that have been silenced. Any program that attracts an = audience will be welcome on my stations. That should be obvious. I am in th= is business to make a profit and if "Al Gore Alive" would attract listeners= I would run it. =20 Forcing stations to make equal time for left wing talk radio would cut into= profits so drastically that radio executives would opt to scale back on ta= lk programming to avoid escalating costs and interference from the Federal = Communications Commission. Radio stations would take a financial hit if forced to air "balanced". prog= ramming because liberal talk radio has not proved itself to be profitable. = Air America, the liberal counterpunch to conservative talk radio has failed= several times and has caused station owners to suffer from poor listener n= umbers. Clear Channel has dedicated several of its major market station to = "progressive" talk and has taken a loss in the endeavor. Talk radio is what= it is because it attracts a large audience. Not for any conspiracy reason. Free speech is just that. Anything that controls that speech is not freedom= . Free speech guaranteed by the First Amendment should include all media. I= n addition, the listeners and viewers also should be free to choose what th= ey want to watch and listen to. What speech is broadcast should not be meas= ured by a government bureaucrat. Don -- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: If this is so, I disagree with Senator ABM on this point. The Fairness Doctrine does not restrict free speech but rather guarantees i= t.=20 It assures a presentation of opposing ideas on civic matters. The air tim= e=20 that broadcasters are selling belongs to the public, not them. The public airwaves are analogous to the town square. The Constitution=20 guarantees everyone access to it. It's not the marketplace where access co= mes at=20 price and only those who can afford to buy space can be there. Talk radio has become too monolythic. There is no longer just a right wing= =20 bias, other perspectives have been silenced. When the marketplace fails th= e=20 public, it the government's role to step in with regulation to restore bala= nce. Mike =20=20=20 From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 18:42:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68453 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2008 01:42:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2008 01:42:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n70.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.38) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2008 01:42:48 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n70.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2008 01:42:48 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.225] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2008 01:42:48 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.248] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2008 01:42:48 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2008 01:42:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 710004.13019.bm@omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 83860 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2008 01:42:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.79 with plain) by smtp127.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2008 01:42:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2UBxONUVM1lAsgfyjkZGULNtAUou02fm2KrEcw43JoktXWHx48M5fVjDOSMb5cnToRrLGzIIGqK3EoU_3gq7nsLv8._WryynlVVvlRCbUXQhRMe_k.TDOQD7IzieaEkp1w-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20080722.181831.4305.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> References: <20080722.181831.4305.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4F0C2805-2D74-4A88-9DCC-674F30018F58@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:42:47 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=HuiEp-KDTv4FeZZ4qT6Hh0p9Sx3y6pRj61jPw8uA4vHrC5ebfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Jul 23, 2008, at 1:18 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > Radio stations would take a financial hit if forced to air > "balanced". programming because liberal talk radio has not proved > itself to be profitable. Air America, the liberal counterpunch to > conservative talk radio has failed several times and has caused > station owners to suffer from poor listener numbers I dunno about that, Don. Nova M seems to be doing VERY WELL with left wing stations in the west and many other places, but running left wing talk in red ass Arizona they are doing very well. Since they have been on the air, half the state has gone Democratic. Half of Air America got tossed off XM to carry Nova M's programming. They aren't Air America at all Think about this, the left wing stations do seem to be making inroads. The GOP got their butts blistered in the last set of Congressional elections and they are gonna get it spanked pink again in November. There is another voice and people are listening. The only thing that would make Nova M better is if they all carried C- QUAM. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 19:10:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70766 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2008 02:10:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2008 02:10:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2008 02:10:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34545 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jul 2008 02:10:16 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.173] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:10:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:10:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4F0C2805-2D74-4A88-9DCC-674F30018F58@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <260762.32750.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=zkWQvNZSOQt388Wa4D0mYOVZVbwTY_0bn9zsfrTKX8Y X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 7/22/08, kevin redding wrote: > > Radio stations would take a financial hit if forced to > air > > "balanced". programming because liberal talk > radio has not proved > > itself to be profitable. Air America, the liberal > counterpunch to > > conservative talk radio has failed several times and > has caused > > station owners to suffer from poor listener numbers > > I dunno about that, Don. Nova M seems to be doing VERY WELL > with left > wing stations in the west and many other places, but > running left > wing talk in red ass Arizona they are doing very well. NOT! KPHX comes in 28th out of 30 with a 0,5 rating. Nova M on their website raves over being on KMNY in the Dallas area. Guess what? They don't even show AT ALL in the ratings. Doing well? That said, I know a LOT of conservatives (real ones) that can't stand McCain as they consider him a Democrat in Republican clothing, and are going to vote for Obama to spite the Republican party. I haven't had time to check this out on this miserably slow dial up. Maybe I can get Al Gore to come fix my internet connection..... :) Powell From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Jul 22 19:27:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35219 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2008 02:27:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2008 02:27:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.209) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2008 02:27:27 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W8 ([64.4.19.108]) by bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:27:27 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:27:27 -0400 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2008 02:27:27.0502 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6416AE0:01C8EC6B] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=yUakiPcUtZmEBfXrjxLQJ4w5CBk3TRDfx0XdQCf5SCaSjXDAdTbk X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mr. Milbury, Last time I checked, all your stations must be licensed by the FCC, and if I remember the verbiage on the license, to serve, "in the public interest". Now, I agree that you pay the power bills and the talent bills and all running costs, but if you don't have that magic piece of paper from the FCC, you money means nothing.You say you "don't sell air time", instead you sell "access to your listening audience". How can you sell said access without the air time you have licensed to use by the FCC. Sounds like ham and egg theory to me, said theory goes like this..."if we had some ham, we would have some ham and eggs...if we had some eggs". And, just another bit of information that you conveniently seem to overlook, all "public media", this being the airwaves, ARE owned by all Americans, and managed by the FCC, a governmental agency, said government being, "of the people, by the people and for the people" if memory serves. I know that liberal talk radio hasn't been successful, and there are as many explanations for this failure as there are listeners to liberal talk radio. I personally don't have any idea why anyone would listen to any talk radio, either liberal or conservative, as I like to make up my own mind about the world after doing my own research. Both liberal and conservative talk hosts, are on the whole, just hot air generators with little in the way of real news worthiness, again this just my opinion. Again, I admire your business acumen and drive, but I don't agree with your opinions about the freedom of the airwaves. My two cents (or maybe three) worth, Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Tue Jul 22 20:17:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35236 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2008 03:16:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2008 03:16:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2008 03:16:59 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail06.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.146]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEJPJVEAHFESWA for (sender ); Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:15:48 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD3NDNN6CpiMTnkQzJGCTeFc= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail06.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NQRMN6WZ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:15:19 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.244.200] by webmail06.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:15:09 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:15:09 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080722.201509.9410.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 5:2:2859097776 X-MAIL-INFO:04c89809fc217855d9fc218d21d56500ad794c0c X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.146|webmail06.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=yHn6rwRLUAhCcI9pj9xz3vvsDRb6k29z3GWFcVGQOw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn If my station has twice the number of listeners than another station in my = market then I have twice the 'public interest' than the other station.=20 I am not licensed to sell air time. I am licensed to operate in a defined m= anner utilizing a specified piece of spectrum and I may charge a fee for ad= vertising to be included in my programing. The FCC makes and enforces the r= ules that I must observe if I am to continue to enjoy those license privile= ges. Defining freedom is easy: In the beginning we were all free, then someone s= tarted making rules.=20 Democracy: is two wolves and a lamb deciding what's for dinner. Freedom: is two wolves and a lamb with a gun. Don -- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: Mr. Milbury, =20 Last time I checked, all your stations must be licensed by the FCC, and if = I remember the verbiage on the license, to serve, "in the public interest".= Now, I agree that you pay the power bills and the talent bills and all ru= nning costs, but if you don't have that magic piece of paper from the FCC, = you money means nothing.You say you "don't sell air time", instead you sell= "access to your listening audience". How can you sell said access without= the air time you have licensed to use by the FCC. Sounds like ham and egg= theory to me, said theory goes like this..."if we had some ham, we would h= ave some ham and eggs...if we had some eggs". And, just another bit of inf= ormation that you conveniently seem to overlook, all "public media", this b= eing the airwaves, ARE owned by all Americans, and managed by the FCC, a governmental agency, said government b= eing, "of the people, by the people and for the people" if memory serves. I know that liberal talk radio hasn't been successful, and there are as man= y explanations for this failure as there are listeners to liberal talk radi= o. I personally don't have any idea why anyone would listen to any talk ra= dio, either liberal or conservative, as I like to make up my own mind about= the world after doing my own research. Both liberal and conservative talk= hosts, are on the whole, just hot air generators with little in the way of= real news worthiness, again this just my opinion. Again, I admire your business acumen and drive, but I don't agree with your= opinions about the freedom of the airwaves. =20 =20 My two cents (or maybe three) worth, =20 Michael From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 22:41:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11824 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2008 05:41:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2008 05:41:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2008 05:41:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2008 05:41:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2008 05:41:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:41:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080722.201509.9410.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.95 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=hvNTcSpRRBol3STW19-lbgVhPsH4vZe16rkalSd1nPh0tDSJUA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I'm not a USA citizen, but I'm a human being and I was born free.=20 I'm not sure if I'm still free because there's a lot of rules in my=20 country. But, the rules aren't bad itself. I think the problem is=20 when "some people" (specially, politicians) uses the rules to get=20 some "dark" privileges. The radio waves are absolutely free from the transmitter antenna to=20 the receiver. Nobody can control it. The rules only can to be=20 applied BEFORE the transmitter antenna. The question is: What kind of rules? Moral Rules? Religion Rules?=20 Political Rules? Commercial Rules? ??? I think this decision must to=20 be taken by the radio station owners, only. Radio waves are the same as the sunlight: electromagnetic energy.=20 Here, in Chile, the radio station owners have to pay some tax, year=20 by year, to use the "radioelectromagnetic spectrum". I guess it's=20 the same in all over the world. I wonder if some day somebody will=20 charge the use of the "public" sunlight, in the streets, with a new=20 tax. ??? GOD BLESS THE FREEDOM!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 05:38:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34075 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2008 12:38:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2008 12:38:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.121) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2008 12:38:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2008 12:38:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2008 12:38:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2008 12:38:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:38:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.121 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.203.47.245 From: "ai9e_qrp" Subject: Re: Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=241001136; y=lysi0tZB5QAu6DqBfv_Ka7CB1zlZRCY2RbDGXIFp09aL_O8 X-Yahoo-Profile: ai9e_qrp The new 'Fairness Doctrine' is being bandied about under the justification of same vague first amendment reasoning. As I recall the first amendment prohibits the government from acting to limit one's ability to express oneself. It does not, however guarantee access to another person's media in which to make these expressions.=20 If I want to do a radio show to extol some unpopular idea, I cannot force WLS to allow me on the air. I can though stand on the street corner and exercise my free SPEECH all day long. Make no mistake - the current Fairness Doctrine proposals are a thinly veiled attempt to guarantee the permanence of the Democratic Congress by making the airing of any political talk shows too economically unpalatable to broadcasters.=20=20 I have to ask - would the Fairness Doctrine apply to public radio stations? Could I ask for two hours on the college station to counter Garrison Keillor's parodying of President Bush? Somehow I don't think so.=20=20 But then, maybe there is a reason that the most left-wing radio required government handouts to survive. Dave From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 05:50:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10441 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2008 12:50:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2008 12:50:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2008 12:50:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27589 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jul 2008 12:50:43 -0000 X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:50:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:50:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <87013.4219.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=TnGQDuOYFLc6cIKu0VmgyYP7XiZVLUa8_arwmnaa4W-mftJlbds1 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Absolutely right.=A0 Let's hope this horrible idea never comes to pass.=A0 = Wasn't the original brought about in 1949 (that's right: the Fairness Docto= rine isn't a founding document of radio communication!) to protect newspape= rs because radio stations were editorializing?=A0 Remember, yes the public = owns the airwaves, but a radio station is a private entity.=A0 Don't like w= hat's currently offered?=A0 Buy your own station.=A0 Oh, run C-QUAM...but t= hat's a given with this board! =A0 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 =A0 P.S.: "In involuntary compliance with the so-called Fairness Doctorine, we = now present the other side of the A.M. stereo view: here's a pro-HDAM comme= nt...." --- On Wed, 7/23/08, ai9e_qrp wrote: From: ai9e_qrp Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radio's future To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 8:38 AM The new 'Fairness Doctrine' is being bandied about under the justification of same vague first amendment reasoning. As I recall the first amendment prohibits the government from acting to limit one's ability to express oneself. It does not, however guarantee access to another person's media in which to make these expressions.=20 If I want to do a radio show to extol some unpopular idea, I cannot force WLS to allow me on the air. I can though stand on the street corner and exercise my free SPEECH all day long. Make no mistake - the current Fairness Doctrine proposals are a thinly veiled attempt to guarantee the permanence of the Democratic Congress by making the airing of any political talk shows too economically unpalatable to broadcasters.=20 I have to ask - would the Fairness Doctrine apply to public radio stations? Could I ask for two hours on the college station to counter Garrison Keillor's parodying of President Bush? Somehow I don't think so.=20 But then, maybe there is a reason that the most left-wing radio required government handouts to survive. Dave =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Jul 23 08:31:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45710 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2008 15:31:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2008 15:31:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.128) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2008 15:31:34 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n1.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2008 15:31:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2008 15:31:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2008 15:31:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:31:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.149.16.45 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: Radio's future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=hVCDK3aYqVJzhC6j2Qf9gdY9YOSL56yEA4DgZiOy0I9wPqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "ai9e_qrp" wrote: > > The new 'Fairness Doctrine' is being bandied about under the > justification of same vague first amendment reasoning. As I recall > the first amendment prohibits the government from acting to limit > one's ability to express oneself. It does not, however guarantee > access to another person's media in which to make these=20 expressions.=20 > If I want to do a radio show to extol some unpopular idea, I cannot > force WLS to allow me on the air. I can though stand on the street > corner and exercise my free SPEECH all day long. >=20 > Make no mistake - the current Fairness Doctrine proposals are a=20 thinly > veiled attempt to guarantee the permanence of the Democratic=20 Congress > by making the airing of any political talk shows too economically > unpalatable to broadcasters.=20=20 >=20 > I have to ask - would the Fairness Doctrine apply to public radio > stations? Could I ask for two hours on the college station to=20 counter > Garrison Keillor's parodying of President Bush? Somehow I don't=20 think > so.=20=20 >=20 > But then, maybe there is a reason that the most left-wing radio > required government handouts to survive. >=20 > Dave > Fairness Doctrine =3D Bad Idea ! Let's face the facts.....Republicans are doing a good enough job of=20 screwing themselves without the help of the Gov't...or the so-called=20 Fairness Doctrine. If Rush and the other righties were as powerful as some seem to=20 think, John McCain would not be the Republican nominee. Am radio is a dying breed anyway, this intervention is just not a=20 good idea. Let it bleed. Juan Fort Pierce, Florida From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Jul 25 12:31:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43584 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2008 19:31:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2008 19:31:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-0708.google.com) (64.233.178.251) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2008 19:31:48 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 23so555778hsn.13 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:31:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.197.3 with SMTP id u3mr3574013anf.102.1217014307769; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.102? ( [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm3040613ywp.3.2008.07.25.12.31.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <79C59A4B-1DCD-437C-9956-62CA724AA2B0@gmail.com> To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:13:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.251 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=usSqje1S8db9pys1Z2csO13OsAGbT61PLUnxqjqpN_v26zgk1IbHUqqqXmVKMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 1070 WCSZ San Suci-Greenville SC back on the air with Classic Country today. No DJs. I wonder how long they will stay on the air THIS time? Kevin in Upstate South Carolina From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jul 25 16:22:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69120 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2008 23:22:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2008 23:22:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2008 23:22:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 91436 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jul 2008 23:22:10 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.43] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:22:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:22:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <79C59A4B-1DCD-437C-9956-62CA724AA2B0@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <440443.91174.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=4PVryKWhtNZXKqL8g2cA5tEzJ7FkrjJtj37rPHQFthU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW - > 1070 WCSZ San Souci-Greenville SC back on the air with > Classic Country > today. No DJs. > > I wonder how long they will stay on the air THIS time? The music is courtesy of Bill Boyd the engineer. I expect it is also one of his computers. It's supposed to be leased to some Mexican group. Bill and I discussed this and we give them one month, and then they will default on the payments. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jul 27 08:30:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3936 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2008 15:30:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2008 15:30:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2008 15:30:01 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c0a.3f0856c6 (30740) for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:29:54 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=62iWdk6l1Pk7JC1XGvAnmQdELUl2z1KmrNVNDeXF45dbW8wfCj9NAa6Jg_0Ay1sj X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/25/08 2:32:12 PM Central Daylight Time, thepossumhunter@gmail.com writes: > I wonder how long they will stay on the air THIS time? > Until the juke box runs out of quarters. Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Jul 27 15:19:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62505 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2008 22:19:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2008 22:19:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.176) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2008 22:19:18 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so2343427pyb.1 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:19:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.64.184.18 with SMTP id h18mr8323133qbf.12.1217197157866; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.87? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s35sm20364076qbs.13.2008.07.27.15.19.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:19:16 -0700 (PDT) Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <53C7BBC4-0984-430C-870A-7F83DAD12696@gmail.com> To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <760761.72363.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:18:50 -0400 References: <760761.72363.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: [ABDX] WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=1C5qwTNIMh9V4C1-E3WvrNYJPoBnrfGBML5_WlX5JuJiv0R-ItGWMDK5AsAxSA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jul 25, 2008, at 7:17 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > LOL.... you are just now finding this out? The reason I just noticed it is the thing is off and on...not on all of the time. > That's the Engineer's computer playing that music until the Mexicans > that are going to lease it takes over. AH, OK. > Bill, the engineer and I give them a month and then they will > default on the payment. I agree. That monster has a helluva power bill, and the market has plenty of Mexican / Spanish format stations on AM and FM. I wonder if it will be another pest on the air with Cheating at night and over- modulating? Doesn't this market have enough Cheaters? Where is the FCC when ya need them? Oh yea, they are out nailing Part 15s for having their antenna an Inch too long. Kevin in Upstate South Carolina From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Jul 27 16:36:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42615 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2008 23:36:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2008 23:36:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2008 23:36:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 72319 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2008 23:36:24 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.72] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:36:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:36:24 -0700 (PDT) To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <53C7BBC4-0984-430C-870A-7F83DAD12696@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <775638.71470.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=6_Iy9Qq1-QiPp23apIf5jkU4ZZqkujb1q-aIsenfQpM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW comments imbedded inline ! NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 7/27/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > > On Jul 25, 2008, at 7:17 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > > > LOL.... you are just now finding this out? > > The reason I just noticed it is the thing is off and > on...not on all of the time. Bill had it offline working on it. There is still some distortion he has to sort out. > > That's the Engineer's computer playing that > music until the Mexicans > > that are going to lease it takes over. > > AH, OK. > > > Bill, the engineer and I give them a month and then > they will > > default on the payment. > > I agree. That monster has a helluva power bill, and the > market has > plenty of Mexican / Spanish format stations on AM and FM. I > wonder if > it will be another pest on the air with Cheating at night > and over- > modulating? Doesn't this market have enough Cheaters? > Where is the FCC > when ya need them? Oh yea, they are out nailing Part 15s > for having > their antenna an Inch too long. > > Kevin in Upstate South Carolina That's for sure. Bill will not be pleased if they cheat. There's no market for another one, but if some fool has the money....... The station was coming in well in Silverstreet, SC this afternoon. Powell From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 06:28:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89249 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2008 13:28:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2008 13:28:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2008 13:28:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 74349 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2008 13:28:28 -0000 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:28:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:28:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <876302.74225.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=M61-BYFSikEGSsBl34Wyf9aeeSJ5-p16XiiQ6U_uo9zkrh2TclriKlE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Does WCSZ have AM stereo? John From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 07:36:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68174 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2008 14:36:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2008 14:36:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2008 14:36:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 59390 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2008 14:36:13 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.32] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:36:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:36:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <876302.74225.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <903776.57610.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=bHwitAUht7VDRy7k3vdSXdfiULYYQ9HyVJO0v6SWqig X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 7/28/08, John P. wrote: > From: John P. > Subject: {AMSF} Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 9:28 AM > Does WCSZ have AM stereo? NO!!!!! Powell From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Jul 28 11:42:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96329 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2008 18:42:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2008 18:42:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.239) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2008 18:42:35 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so2048998wxd.13 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:42:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.70.56.13 with SMTP id e13mr7089768wxa.77.1217270554321; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.90? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i15sm13760432wxd.7.2008.07.28.11.42.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <775638.71470.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:03:34 -0400 References: <775638.71470.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.239 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=eflpKViXVnoJL0Txed3FTtg9b6smv1CuombhENrQyk1CjVSvtTwdKXtYuZ8LCQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:36 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > Bill had it offline working on it. There is still some distortion he > has to sort out. Ah, OK. Why bother? The Mexicans will have it at 150% Modulation anyway LOL. > That's for sure. Bill will not be pleased if they cheat. He had better watch that station like a hawk! Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Jul 28 11:42:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70625 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2008 18:42:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2008 18:42:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.239) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2008 18:42:38 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so2048998wxd.13 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:42:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.70.67.14 with SMTP id p14mr7116697wxa.38.1217270556244; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.90? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i15sm13760432wxd.7.2008.07.28.11.42.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:11:42 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.239 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=LJMdpenEaPxRb8Qj5ArL-fFnb8JmO0ssg58rtwVjiQ9rQLkcb7lvjgMXql82Fw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jul 27, 2008, at 11:29 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/25/08 2:32:12 PM Central Daylight Time, > thepossumhunter@gmail.com writes: > > >> I wonder how long they will stay on the air THIS time? >> > > Until the juke box runs out of quarters. With most AM stations doing good to get a Dollar a Holler for 30 Second ads in this market, they will NEVER make enough money to feed that MW-50, much less pay the help and LMA rent. WHYZ - WCSZ has been Dark more than they have been on the air since "Z-104" blew them off of the Arbitron map in 1986. The last AM with any ratings in this market, WORD 950 - WYRD 1330 just flipped to FM. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Jul 28 11:52:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51564 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2008 18:52:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2008 18:52:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.225) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2008 18:52:33 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h30so1894929wxd.23 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:52:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.70.54.19 with SMTP id c19mr7145315wxa.2.1217270552540; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.90? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i15sm13760432wxd.7.2008.07.28.11.42.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <8FD67130-3D53-4FB2-99CA-DD4ABA42FCC7@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <876302.74225.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:00:18 -0400 References: <876302.74225.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=gyK5xY0SgEZ6Nu5GpMxTHhlS8DOeohD7TjK2Y9lzLAh5-pyHtRoYa6eXVEO5Yg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jul 28, 2008, at 9:28 AM, John P. wrote: > Does WCSZ have AM stereo? I was involved with the attempted conversion of their old Gates VP-50 to C-QUAM. It was a futile effort. The last time I was in there (7 Years ago) the Stereo equipment was still in there, and the newer MW-50 would make a NICE stereo conversion if you could ever get that poorly engineered Directional antenna system broadbanded enough. The only former AM Stereo stations in this market I know of were: 570 WWNC - Ashville - C-QUAM 660 WESC - Greenville - Harris 800 WPJM - Greer - Harris (Equipment in rack, but never heard it on air) 1090 WMTY - Greenwood - C-QUAM 1330 WFBC - Greenville - C-QUAM 1350 WLMA - Greenwood - C-QUAM 1390 WHPB - Belton - Harris 1450 WCRS - Greenwood - Kahn ISB 1490 WPCI - Greenville - Harris then C-QUAM now HD-Radio Kevin in Upstate South Carolina From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 12:13:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55045 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2008 19:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2008 19:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2008 19:13:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 35184 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2008 19:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:13:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:13:56 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8FD67130-3D53-4FB2-99CA-DD4ABA42FCC7@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <953331.34524.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=N93s4YXLIbD9cC2lVLHu1cnuuuAeQ_XUZlwmvxztH7c X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > > Does WCSZ have AM stereo? > > I was involved with the attempted conversion of their old > Gates VP-50 > to C-QUAM. It was a futile effort. The last time I was in > there (7 > Years ago) the Stereo equipment was still in there, and the > newer > MW-50 would make a NICE stereo conversion if you could ever > get that > poorly engineered Directional antenna system broadbanded > enough. > > The only former AM Stereo stations in this market I know of > were: > > 570 WWNC - Ashville - C-QUAM > 660 WESC - Greenville - Harris > 800 WPJM - Greer - Harris (Equipment in rack, but never > heard it on air) > 1090 WMTY - Greenwood - C-QUAM > 1330 WFBC - Greenville - C-QUAM > 1350 WLMA - Greenwood - C-QUAM all gone. they did run Powerside when Ron was alive > 1390 WHPB - Belton - Harris > 1450 WCRS - Greenwood - Kahn ISB > 1490 WPCI - Greenville - Harris then C-QUAM now HD-Radio > > Kevin in Upstate South Carolina I think all the stereo stuff is GONE from 1070. I will ask Bill. Even years ago when Art Sutton had WCRS there was no stereo stuff for AM stereo ANYWHERE. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 12:14:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30411 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2008 19:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2008 19:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2008 19:14:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14669 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2008 19:14:45 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:14:45 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:14:45 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <659793.14630.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=pxFYrpQC5eOehNI1PGBqbESIr3cx1rhYIhAMdHXrAC0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Possum Hunter wrote: The last AM with any ratings > in this > market, WORD 950 - WYRD 1330 just flipped to FM. Simulcast. Powell From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Jul 28 19:37:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23741 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 02:37:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2008 02:37:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s3.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.203) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 02:37:41 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.23]) by bay0-omc3-s3.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:37:41 -0700 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:37:40 -0700 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.116 by BLU108-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:37:37 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:37:37 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2008 02:37:40.0939 (UTC) FILETIME=[125EF9B0:01C8F124] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=OCWJH_zKBpNQCTI_61pGEHht9Wg8iVfxl_Lan_71aTdqu2BsLYDii11-jKc X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just wondering if anyone noticed the interference WCBS had this past Friday night; apparently from what I read on the Columbus (OH) radio-info board..........Salem's WRFD 880, due to a computer glitch (the lights were on, but on one was home!) didn't sign off at the local sunset of 9p this past Friday night and apparently didn't drop to the critical hours power as well and pumped out 23,000 watts overnight. The satellite feed continued for the rest of the night. Someone from Fargo North Dakota dx'd WRFD Friday night, even though he said it was weak in Fargo. I imagine anyone in Toledo, Cleveland, Youngstown or western Pennsylvania that were trying to listen to News on WCS Friday evening had a challenge. This was a one night event, evidently the problem was corrected and sign off was at 9pm on Saturday evening. Donn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Jul 29 06:00:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44131 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 13:00:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2008 13:00:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 13:00:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 65546 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2008 13:00:25 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:00:24 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:00:24 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <659793.14630.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <56437.65487.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=iGjFpsbetNyBrtvpFIchFmz78QDVlSE_4e9jy66DyneKpbXTlDhP X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Everyone keeps saying 1070 is back on the air but all I have is static and = I live about 4 miles from it. =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 3:14 PM NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Possum Hunter wrote: The last AM with any ratings > in this=20 > market, WORD 950 - WYRD 1330 just flipped to FM. Simulcast.=20 Powell =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Jul 29 06:02:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94711 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 13:02:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2008 13:02:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 13:02:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5327 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2008 13:01:59 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:01:59 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:01:59 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <677505.5189.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=bB8aLSFH5LmxIktoqeoaymEr5EAn6lry_tQyvJDvni_DC95unK64 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i'm surprised those mexicans havent screwed up 1440 yet. =A0 =A0 --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 1:03 PM On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:36 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > Bill had it offline working on it. There is still some distortion he=20 > has to sort out. Ah, OK. Why bother? The Mexicans will have it at 150% Modulation=20 anyway LOL. > That's for sure. Bill will not be pleased if they cheat. He had better watch that station like a hawk! Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 06:30:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97943 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 13:30:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2008 13:30:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 13:30:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 93740 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2008 13:30:49 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.139] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:30:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:30:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <677505.5189.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <908354.93452.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=KDGv_lpae1I9fqA6BIDj0OrYFUWsPEhA9lSbUeDV7Do X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Because those aren't MEXICANS running the format. They are from South America and actually look down on Mexicans. A friend of mine did commercials on them once. They insisted on doing the commercial their way and he got NO response. He got better response from WDAB. The Mexicans haven't taken over yet. Yes, you can lease a 50,000 watt station if you hurry!! A note for everybody...not just picking on Kevin..... Also, please make sure you edit the subject line... as in take out ABDX out of the subject line when you post to another list. It screws up mail rules for us that are on multiple lists and the post gets in the wrong folder. I have seen 3 different lists in some lists..... Powell ( an ABDX co-moderator) NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 7/29/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > i'm surprised those mexicans havent screwed up 1440 yet. From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 06:35:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25001 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 13:35:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2008 13:35:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 13:35:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44581 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2008 13:35:15 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.139] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:35:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:35:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <56437.65487.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <626369.43817.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=14TDf-_6c3ybDKkJWiaiLUCHsm3VHD782a9RhYMHV04 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Bill the engineer is still doing work on it. There was some audio distortion on the MW-50 or somewhere else he hadn't gotten to. He finally has it back to a real 50KW again. It was good and strong and loud down here in Silverstreet..... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 7/29/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Everyone keeps saying 1070 is back on the air but all I have > is static and I live about 4 miles from it. > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 10:24:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14757 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 17:24:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2008 17:24:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 17:24:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87985 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2008 17:24:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:24:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:24:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <805493.87627.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=GZooOp2zrBiheuoWeMBwpynARfqZcwSzYEkVunUhTgOQdw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 See what happens when you put a computer in charge? It's nice to have an "engineer" or "technician" or "operator" that never calls in sick, doesn't ask for a raise, and takes no time off, but I wonder if that "employee" full of ICs is going to take responsibility when the FCC comes calling? I'm sure it will serve that job for which computers are so often recruited, a scapegoat, but will it pay the fine? (and there should be one, both punitive and to cover losses to WCBS!) If it were my station, it would be MY hand on the throttle, but I guess that is an old fashioned way of thinking. A station without human operation is not a broadcasting concern, just a big fancy repeater! Just my 1/50 of a dollar's worth... G --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Donn Tillman wrote: > From: Donn Tillman > Subject: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net > Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 10:37 PM > Just wondering if anyone noticed the interference WCBS had > this past Friday night; apparently from what I read on the > Columbus (OH) radio-info board..........Salem's WRFD > 880, due to a computer glitch (the lights were on, but on > one was home!) didn't sign off at the local sunset of > 9p this past Friday night and apparently didn't drop to > the critical hours power as well and pumped out 23,000 watts > overnight. > > The satellite feed continued for the rest of the night. > > Someone from Fargo North Dakota dx'd WRFD Friday night, > even though he said it was weak in Fargo. > > I imagine anyone in Toledo, Cleveland, Youngstown or > western Pennsylvania that were trying to listen to News on > WCS Friday evening had a challenge. This was a one night > event, evidently the problem was corrected and sign off was > at 9pm on Saturday evening. > > Donn > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Tue Jul 29 10:30:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11054 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 17:29:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2008 17:29:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.30) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 17:29:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2008 17:29:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2008 17:29:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:29:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <805493.87627.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.58.159 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=RdYxRE6qlFOf0Gs0GLsAGy0BvRyNauJeh5z3kZy6NAlLQVfBvHbh X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 My sentiments exactly.. Too Err is human... to really mess up... you need a computer. Bob in Vermont --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > See what happens when you put a computer in charge? It's nice to have an "engineer" or "technician" or "operator" that never calls in sick, doesn't ask for a raise, and takes no time off, but I wonder if that "employee" full of ICs is going to take responsibility when the FCC comes calling? > I'm sure it will serve that job for which computers are so often recruited, a scapegoat, but will it pay the fine? (and there should be one, both punitive and to cover losses to WCBS!) > If it were my station, it would be MY hand on the throttle, but I guess that is an old fashioned way of thinking. > A station without human operation is not a broadcasting concern, just a big fancy repeater! Just my 1/50 of a dollar's worth... > G=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Donn Tillman wrote: >=20 > > From: Donn Tillman > > Subject: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Cc: amstereo@... > > Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 10:37 PM > > Just wondering if anyone noticed the interference WCBS had > > this past Friday night; apparently from what I read on the > > Columbus (OH) radio-info board..........Salem's WRFD=20 > > 880, due to a computer glitch (the lights were on, but on > > one was home!) didn't sign off at the local sunset of > > 9p this past Friday night and apparently didn't drop to > > the critical hours power as well and pumped out 23,000 watts > > overnight. > >=20 > > The satellite feed continued for the rest of the night. > >=20 > > Someone from Fargo North Dakota dx'd WRFD Friday night, > > even though he said it was weak in Fargo. > >=20 > > I imagine anyone in Toledo, Cleveland, Youngstown or > > western Pennsylvania that were trying to listen to News on > > WCS Friday evening had a challenge. This was a one night > > event, evidently the problem was corrected and sign off was > > at 9pm on Saturday evening. > >=20 > > Donn > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jul 29 10:53:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91915 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 17:53:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2008 17:53:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 17:53:12 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c00.3c777a0f (37566) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:53:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB043-92be488f590536b; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:53:09 -0400 X-Received: from webmail-md14 (webmail-md14.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.132]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA032-5c54488f58ef25f; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:52:47 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:52:47 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <805493.87627.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37955-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.132) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:52:47 -0400 Message-Id: <8CABFBB0BBFBC92-C0C-62D@webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=z5MwKhqh-9BJtokRAiiCxXiZ8CCX28aw7MWqdti3NxXVQNiQ-HHUCetmWmjUW6Ip X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While the reliability of broadcasting equipment has improved immensely in the past several decades, which should be reflected to some degree in the relaxation of the rules, a broadcast station should never be unattended in my opinion.? This is particularly true for the station in question because of its high power, dominant co-channel station, and operating authority. It is one thing to relax taking hourly transmitter readings?by a First Class license holder.? It is another to have a robot system that is as unattended as a traffic light. Here is the real question:? Does anyone associated with WRFD actually listen to it? Here is St. Louis, KFRT simutaneously ran news feeds and programs at equal level for hours uncorrected in the middle of weekday. Mike -----Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:24 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) See what happens when you put a computer in charge? It's nice to have an "engineer" or "technician" or "operator" that never calls in sick, doesn't ask for a raise, and takes no time off, but I wonder if that "employee" full of ICs is going to take responsibility when the FCC comes calling? I'm sure it will serve that job for which computers are so often recruited, a scapegoat, but will it pay the fine? (and there should be one, both punitive and to cover losses to WCBS!) If it were my station, it would be MY hand on the throttle, but I guess that is an old fashioned way of thinking. A station without human operation is not a broadcasting concern, just a big fancy repeater! Just my 1/50 of a dollar's worth... G --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Donn Tillman wrote: > From: Donn Tillman > Subject: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net > Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 10:37 PM > Just wondering if anyone noticed the interference WCBS had > this past Friday night; apparently from what I read on the > Columbus (OH) radio-info board..........Salem's WRFD > 880, due to a computer glitch (the lights were on, but on > one was home!) didn't sign off at the local sunset of > 9p this past Friday night and apparently didn't drop to > the critical hours power as well and pumped out 23,000 watts > overnight. > > The satellite feed continued for the rest of the night. > > Someone from Fargo North Dakota dx'd WRFD Friday night, > even though he said it was weak in Fargo. > > I imagine anyone in Toledo, Cleveland, Youngstown or > western Pennsylvania that were trying to listen to News on > WCS Friday evening had a challenge. This was a one night > event, evidently the problem was corrected and sign off was > at 9pm on Saturday evening. > > Donn > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Jul 29 12:10:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7354 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 19:10:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2008 19:10:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.137) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 19:10:47 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.20]) by bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:10:47 -0700 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:10:46 -0700 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.113 by BLU108-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:10:39 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:10:39 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2008 19:10:46.0741 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE46D050:01C8F1AE] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=PnLPnrNbDclLjYIpcHHslyDOAWF8adJXBNzG9jBM18Pkrfd_gO-WOaX4c8A X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mjgrant wrote: "Here is the real question:? Does anyone associated with WRFD (880 - Columbus,OH) actually listen to it?" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Evidently not; at least not on Friday nights! Of course, the WRFD could use the defense that the IBOC hash proponents use: Unless the interference kept WCBS from serving it's city of license, then......... it doesn't matter. On some of the ClearChannel stations here; it's not unusual for there to be 3 - 5 minutes of dead air or double audio as mentioned. A news feed and a commercial running at the same volume at the same time; especially on the weekends, but I have heard dead air during the day during the week as well. Donn, in the am stereo free zone of St. Petersburg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Jul 29 12:13:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13219 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 19:13:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2008 19:13:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.178) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 19:13:06 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so9556pyi.27 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:13:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.79.12 with SMTP id g12mr3558571rvl.182.1217358785337; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.103? ( [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm511875ywf.2.2008.07.29.12.13.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9E86CC88-8EFD-46FC-82C9-E3D40315E130@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <953331.34524.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:30:08 -0400 References: <953331.34524.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=k8KW67a3dqTnzhWvwNTKFJv4iUPdYEWPFwP0xVmFSvqV5bFxl1_6YF6YINl-kw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jul 28, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > I think all the stereo stuff is GONE from 1070. I will ask Bill. It was CRL Audio Processing and a Motorola Exciter and Mod Monitor > Even years ago when Art Sutton had WCRS there was no stereo stuff > for AM stereo ANYWHERE. I helped Charlie Sparks install it on the RCA BTA-1S. The BTA-1R was left Mono. I installed the Kahn Good-N-Loud processor and set it up. DAMN That thing Sounded GOOD! Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Jul 29 12:13:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86696 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 19:13:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2008 19:13:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.178) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 19:13:09 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id d32so9798pye.19 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:13:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.201.15 with SMTP id y15mr3566239rvf.33.1217358787142; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.103? ( [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm511875ywf.2.2008.07.29.12.13.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6683D3AF-6633-4ECF-B0E1-DB2EC1743D46@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <659793.14630.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:33:40 -0400 References: <659793.14630.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=R1xKZyyYmpAWHv8Z5WdspqG4zq_l4KfJ82PmV-NjWGHsWxCzdzE1Tee4FX7-xw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jul 28, 2008, at 3:14 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > Simulcast. Now WORD covers the whole market on 106.3, I look for Entercom to Dump or LMA out 1330 and 950 pretty soon. Like it or not, this is an FM market and AMs ain't got a snowball's chance of getting in the rating book anymore. Possum From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Jul 29 12:15:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26717 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 19:15:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2008 19:15:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.178) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 19:15:16 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f31so10874pyh.20 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:15:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.201.1 with SMTP id y1mr3557592rvf.246.1217358915376; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.103? ( [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm14914755ywl.4.2008.07.29.12.15.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <54C4FA71-AE36-49E1-A365-42801BBFEAE1@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <56437.65487.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:15:04 -0400 References: <56437.65487.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=7sXjH_cIJGeFN24YyRgnXifCtqvHDIBnvbAwCYy4nPQ4NuDexmc0-0DJdDe9vw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jul 29, 2008, at 9:00 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Everyone keeps saying 1070 is back on the air but all I have is > static and I live about 4 miles from it. It is off and on. Park on 1070 and sooner or later you will hear it. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Jul 29 12:16:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42815 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 19:16:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2008 19:16:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.233) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 19:16:29 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so16243rvb.13 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:16:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.137.8 with SMTP id p8mr3573043rvn.163.1217358989732; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.103? ( [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm1595150ywg.6.2008.07.29.12.16.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <8474496A-A0FD-4DC9-80AF-28F048FF89AB@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <677505.5189.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:16:14 -0400 References: <677505.5189.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=b2FekAPn_b03M-c7-94zsbZfIiOeu8iOqx_K02P6w0tN-wi43XnorDlam0WycA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jul 29, 2008, at 9:01 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > i'm surprised those mexicans havent screwed up 1440 yet. Cheap Channel must keep them on a very short leash. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Jul 29 12:21:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39176 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 19:21:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2008 19:21:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.227) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 19:21:07 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id g37so17820rvb.23 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:21:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.76.21 with SMTP id d21mr3574490rvl.242.1217359266830; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.103? ( [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm5343ywg.6.2008.07.29.12.21.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <025F3C53-3148-42B9-9A45-1E7125DA21AC@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <626369.43817.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:20:53 -0400 References: <626369.43817.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=YLWzxiCBS6NjoGOOVk5jFBMzGK2L6K-Je4hOC8LtmkO2BeElImUlPnnWS8FFYg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jul 29, 2008, at 9:35 AM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > He finally has it back to a real 50KW again. It was good and strong > and loud down here in Silverstreet..... Back in the "good ol' days" that station blew a hole in the dial all of the way to Beufort, and you could get it on a good car radio to Jacksonville, FL. Do we have any members Southeast of Greenville, SC that can give signal reports? Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 13:39:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17816 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 20:39:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2008 20:39:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 20:39:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 91157 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2008 20:39:00 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:39:00 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:39:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8474496A-A0FD-4DC9-80AF-28F048FF89AB@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <27197.90581.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=wXrBhLhnPS_Ja4lv_l82QGSdBVPopHjQpakYx9KQdco X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW as I said they aren't Mexican. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > > i'm surprised those mexicans havent screwed up > 1440 yet. > > Cheap Channel must keep them on a very short leash. > > Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 13:45:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75866 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2008 20:45:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2008 20:45:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2008 20:45:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12325 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2008 20:45:49 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:45:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:45:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <025F3C53-3148-42B9-9A45-1E7125DA21AC@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <885443.11931.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=DNJj78sgyTW6Pj7b7ERuLjQgPGIZ2kaeUt5pUI4-c70 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > > > He finally has it back to a real 50KW again. It was > good and strong > > and loud down here in Silverstreet..... > > Back in the "good ol' days" that station blew > a hole in the dial all > of the way to Beufort, and you could get it on a good car > radio to > Jacksonville, FL. Do we have any members Southeast of > Greenville, SC > that can give signal reports? It's the only Greenville Spartanburg market station I can actually listen to.... I haven't measured it against others. Powell From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 21:07:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96882 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 04:07:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 04:07:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 04:07:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6116 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2008 04:07:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:07:02 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:07:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CABFBB0BBFBC92-C0C-62D@webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <947712.6049.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=dsn3KtWPLSaR_wz6Y2Utr1gGv_3V_h-p5R064PAMtnbvEg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 AMEN! We had a similar incident at CFCO not long ago. The cart machine with the station ID jingles got stuck, playing "Solid gold 630, CFCO" over and over on top of the music. Got up in the middle of the night, STILL going! I can't believe a station operates on such a narrow margin that they can't afford to keep a competent operator on board. Strange that most volunteer stations, like heard on colleges, have no trouble affording at least a limited staff...but then they don't have to answer to shareholders that may not even listen to them. George --- On Tue, 7/29/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 1:52 PM > While the reliability of broadcasting equipment has improved > immensely in the past several decades, which should be > reflected to some degree in the relaxation of the rules, a > broadcast station should never be unattended in my > opinion.? This is particularly true for the station in > question because of its high power, dominant co-channel > station, and operating authority. > > It is one thing to relax taking hourly transmitter > readings?by a First Class license holder.? It is another to > have a robot system that is as unattended as a traffic > light. > > Here is the real question:? Does anyone associated with > WRFD actually listen to it? > > Here is St. Louis, KFRT simutaneously ran news feeds and > programs at equal level for hours uncorrected in the middle > of weekday. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:24 pm > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 > July) > > > > > > > See what happens when you put a computer in charge? > It's nice to have an "engineer" or > "technician" or "operator" that never > calls in sick, doesn't ask for a raise, and takes no > time off, but I wonder if that "employee" full of > ICs is going to take responsibility when the FCC comes > calling? > I'm sure it will serve that job for which computers are > so often recruited, a scapegoat, but will it pay the fine? > (and there should be one, both punitive and to cover losses > to WCBS!) > If it were my station, it would be MY hand on the throttle, > but I guess that is an old fashioned way of thinking. > A station without human operation is not a broadcasting > concern, just a big fancy repeater! Just my 1/50 of a > dollar's worth... > G > > --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Donn Tillman > wrote: > > > From: Donn Tillman > > > Subject: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 > July) > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net > > Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 10:37 PM > > Just wondering if anyone noticed the interference WCBS > had > > this past Friday night; apparently from what I read on > the > > Columbus (OH) radio-info board..........Salem's > WRFD > > 880, due to a computer glitch (the lights were on, but > on > > one was home!) didn't sign off at the local sunset > of > > 9p this past Friday night and apparently didn't > drop to > > the critical hours power as well and pumped out 23,000 > watts > > overnight. > > > > The satellite feed continued for the rest of the > night. > > > > Someone from Fargo North Dakota dx'd WRFD Friday > night, > > even though he said it was weak in Fargo. > > > > I imagine anyone in Toledo, Cleveland, Youngstown or > > western Pennsylvania that were trying to listen to > News on > > WCS Friday evening had a challenge. This was a one > night > > event, evidently the problem was corrected and sign > off was > > at 9pm on Saturday evening. > > > > Donn > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 21:11:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72668 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 04:11:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 04:11:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 04:11:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96437 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2008 04:11:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:11:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:11:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <621465.96020.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=DgN3IBIzVCNG2evk5KOLSquOXcD6u1rWN9CJZQoFUGgsww X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Lord have mercy...I remember when dead air was THE dreaded nightmare, even a slow-to-cue tape or record. How times have changed! Wonder what Mr. Drake would think of such sloppy timing? George --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Donn Tillman wrote: > From: Donn Tillman > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net > Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 3:10 PM > mjgrant wrote: > > "Here is the real question:? Does anyone associated > with WRFD (880 - Columbus,OH) actually listen to it?" > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Evidently not; at least not on Friday nights! > > Of course, the WRFD could use the defense that the IBOC > hash proponents use: Unless the interference kept WCBS > from serving it's city of license, then......... it > doesn't matter. > > On some of the ClearChannel stations here; it's not > unusual for there to be 3 - 5 minutes of dead air or double > audio as mentioned. A news feed and a commercial running > at the same volume at the same time; especially on the > weekends, but I have heard dead air during the day during > the week as well. > > Donn, > in the am stereo free zone of St. Petersburg > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 04:09:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86573 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 11:09:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 11:09:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 11:09:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46638 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2008 11:09:43 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.64] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:09:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:09:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <947712.6049.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <446510.46606.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=kr0uO_gWx9kja5KOhvSaRKmr5Dsg8JD4cApHJU99mFM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 7/30/08, george russell wrote: > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 12:07 AM > AMEN! We had a similar incident at CFCO not long ago. The > cart machine with the station ID jingles got stuck, playing > "Solid gold 630, CFCO" > over and over on top of the music. Got up in the middle of > the night, > STILL going! > I can't believe a station operates on such a narrow > margin that they can't afford to keep a competent > operator on board. That is just a totally ignornant statement. Look the word up. It means not knowing the facts. The fact is it's almost impossible to find someone to keep someone there at a reasonable rate and at night listenership drops off, and most stations even unatttended don't make ANYthing after dark. A lot of stations simply can NOT afford to have someone overnite. There was the recent FCC proposal to have all stations staffed all the time when on the air. That would cause thousands of small town market and small market stations to sign off very early at night and not stay on overnight. Why stay on overnight? It prevents tuneouts. WCAM and WPUB in Camden, SC said even if they had people to work the evening and they would sign off, people would lay out with no notice. We are automated mostly at WKDK. Well, if we had gotten another workstation instead of doing everything out of one computer ( Enco allows this, other automation systems aren't capable of this) I could have my night playlist done in advance, and could run live afternoons, and also production could be done in the production room and send it to the automation. Some stations use software that schedules commercials and puts them in the automation and also uses music scheduling software. We use that traffic scheduling software, however we PRINT out the log, and all commercials and music and other events are manually entered into our playlists. We have a lot of programs that come in on CD and I have to rip them into the computer. Not having to be live in the afternoon allows me time to do this. Now, this is an AM playing music. In a larger market with a group of stations, only a few of the stations are usually profitable. Powell > Strange that most volunteer stations, > like heard on colleges, have no trouble affording at least > a limited staff...but then they don't have to answer to > shareholders that may not even listen to them. > George > > > --- On Tue, 7/29/08, mjgrant@aol.com > wrote: > > > From: mjgrant@aol.com > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night > (25 July) > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 1:52 PM > > While the reliability of broadcasting equipment has > improved > > immensely in the past several decades, which should be > > reflected to some degree in the relaxation of the > rules, a > > broadcast station should never be unattended in my > > opinion.? This is particularly true for the station in > > question because of its high power, dominant > co-channel > > station, and operating authority. > > > > It is one thing to relax taking hourly transmitter > > readings?by a First Class license holder.? It is > another to > > have a robot system that is as unattended as a traffic > > light. > > > > Here is the real question:? Does anyone associated > with > > WRFD actually listen to it? > > > > Here is St. Louis, KFRT simutaneously ran news feeds > and > > programs at equal level for hours uncorrected in the > middle > > of weekday. > > > > Mike > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: george russell > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:24 pm > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night > (25 > > July) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See what happens when you put a computer in charge? > > It's nice to have an "engineer" or > > "technician" or "operator" that > never > > calls in sick, doesn't ask for a raise, and takes > no > > time off, but I wonder if that "employee" > full of > > ICs is going to take responsibility when the FCC comes > > calling? > > I'm sure it will serve that job for which > computers are > > so often recruited, a scapegoat, but will it pay the > fine? > > (and there should be one, both punitive and to cover > losses > > to WCBS!) > > If it were my station, it would be MY hand on the > throttle, > > but I guess that is an old fashioned way of thinking. > > A station without human operation is not a > broadcasting > > concern, just a big fancy repeater! Just my 1/50 of a > > dollar's worth... > > G > > > > --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Donn Tillman > > wrote: > > > > > From: Donn Tillman > > > > > Subject: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday > night (25 > > July) > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net > > > Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 10:37 PM > > > Just wondering if anyone noticed the interference > WCBS > > had > > > this past Friday night; apparently from what I > read on > > the > > > Columbus (OH) radio-info > board..........Salem's > > WRFD > > > 880, due to a computer glitch (the lights were > on, but > > on > > > one was home!) didn't sign off at the local > sunset > > of > > > 9p this past Friday night and apparently > didn't > > drop to > > > the critical hours power as well and pumped out > 23,000 > > watts > > > overnight. > > > > > > The satellite feed continued for the rest of the > > night. > > > > > > Someone from Fargo North Dakota dx'd WRFD > Friday > > night, > > > even though he said it was weak in Fargo. > > > > > > I imagine anyone in Toledo, Cleveland, Youngstown > or > > > western Pennsylvania that were trying to listen > to > > News on > > > WCS Friday evening had a challenge. This was a > one > > night > > > event, evidently the problem was corrected and > sign > > off was > > > at 9pm on Saturday evening. > > > > > > Donn > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 04:15:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18494 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 11:15:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 11:15:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 11:15:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 51198 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2008 11:15:35 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.64] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:15:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:15:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <621465.96020.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <829054.51140.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=3nnYn_S5l49xZj3wzjQJH9rbGhh31wYiUlzvZZAPZQ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Clear Channel uses Prophet. Clear Channel in Columbia, SC does the same thing. I asked Prophet and they said that's caused by VERY sloppy playlist programming and not checking things. The automation does exactly what it is told to. Just lazy sloppy work. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 7/30/08, george russell wrote: >> Lord have mercy...I remember when dead air was THE dreaded > nightmare, even a slow-to-cue tape or record. How times > have changed! Wonder what > Mr. Drake would think of such sloppy timing? > George > > > --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Donn Tillman > wrote: > > > From: Donn Tillman > > On some of the ClearChannel stations here; it's > not > > unusual for there to be 3 - 5 minutes of dead air or > double > > audio as mentioned. A news feed and a commercial > running > > at the same volume at the same time; especially on the > > weekends, but I have heard dead air during the day > during > > the week as well. From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 04:23:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43523 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 11:23:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 11:23:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 11:23:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14517 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2008 11:23:03 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.64] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:23:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:23:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <446510.46606.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <300497.13821.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: not changing power or signing off on time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=nrhrvtVTl43BF7mtYQ0KtwZjtyHehgCGcJTwSMlw61s X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW One should NEVER EVER FOR ANY REASON depend on air talent to do this. Salem's 880 is unattended. But I have found that modern talent usually hasn't a clue about these things, and if they had to they are almost never on time. That said, a station with unattended and electronically switched power / pattern / sign off needs a person that without fail verifies this daily. Machines are way more reliable than machines. A lot of problems crop up when there is a power failure. If the equipment does not have a UPS, these devices lose their memory. Why there isn't non volatile memory on those I don't know. Those that don't need a good UPS there to protect the device. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 06:02:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33804 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 13:01:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 13:01:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 13:01:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 94895 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2008 13:01:40 -0000 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:01:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:01:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <593521.94656.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=6IRkkT7oIKG1ydiPtEDKD2NZksZ5yGpv4l82kESWVWXvNkYo18uWTWs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio George wrote: "... station ID jingles got stuck, playing "Solid gold 630, CFCO" over and over on top of the music..." When I visited CFCO on a weekend, they actually had 3 people at their cluster there for their 3.5 stations, but they had pretty-much all voicetracked their shifts, including the news; all they had to do was go live assist so that they could talk to a live remote every once in a while, but for the most part, they were not in their booths, the audio monitors were turned all the way down, and they were just walking around visiting, so the only way they'd find out about on-air audio mishaps was by taking a phone call. At least they did have people there to take the phone calls. Now, cue-up Clear Channel WCWA last night and they had country music playing over the top of their live MudHens baseball game! Funny part was, the announcers at the ballgame were giving the lineups and they could hear the music and were commenting about trying to talk louder than the music! If it was their STL picking-up country, that shouldn't happen, as the FM capture effect is that only one signal wins, you don't get both as you can in AM, so I'm assuming the board op at the studio was freaking out for a while (fixed when I checked-back an hour later). They also had to turn-off the HD delay for the analog during the game, which they hadn't done yet either - what a cluster! From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Jul 30 08:51:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47175 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 15:51:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 15:51:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.153) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 15:51:49 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so52380ywm.72 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:51:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.105.18 with SMTP id h18mr4444229rvm.207.1217433109327; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.103? ( [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm1623842ywn.0.2008.07.30.08.51.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3D5385FA-A419-4E05-9584-9837E383386C@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <885443.11931.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:44:57 -0400 References: <885443.11931.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=V9hZbkFdcEtIEYCBLmEPKImH57UaB3wLMOIE-RQN7HYZYvgYcjoPhQzkyzgTlg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jul 29, 2008, at 4:45 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > It's the only Greenville Spartanburg market station I can actually > listen to.... I haven't measured it against others. You can't get WLFJ 660? Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 09:15:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25884 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 16:15:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 16:15:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 16:15:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63489 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2008 16:15:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:15:36 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:15:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <446510.46606.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <618932.63347.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=70niEFwyJc9YUrPhXgnSPrqDj8mnf1Z4iIjHXvBOycqUAw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Ignorant? No, I just have a long memory and think for myself! If the station is that big of a loss after dark, why not just shut down and let some other big-watter cover the area? I'll bet there is a tax write-off in there somewhere. 50 years ago, an office's idea of a copy machine was 50 girls at typewriters taking dictation, and most tall buildings had live human elevator operators...and the economy was a hell of a lot better then than now for most folks. How could companies afford so much labor? Maybe they weren't so busy trying to provide income to investors that wouldn't know honest work if it bit them in the posterior. Put the investor behind the console, and watch him screw things up like no computer ever could! I know I'll get hell for that one, big deal, I've had a hammer and sickle painted on my car before for standing up for the HUMAN worker, the TRUE backbone of this country. Many small town stations when I was a kid had a real engineer on duty, not to mention live "combo" dj/board-ops... why was it it profitable THEN, but not NOW? re-read 3rd paragraph! Greed and arrogance, two of humanity's ugliest traits, are going to be the downfall of this country. Hopefully I won't live long enough to say "I told you so!". G --- On Wed, 7/30/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 7:09 AM > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > --- On Wed, 7/30/08, george russell > wrote: > > > From: george russell > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night > (25 July) > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 12:07 AM > > AMEN! We had a similar incident at CFCO not long ago. > The > > cart machine with the station ID jingles got stuck, > playing > > "Solid gold 630, CFCO" > > over and over on top of the music. Got up in the > middle of > > the night, > > STILL going! > > I can't believe a station operates on such a > narrow > > margin that they can't afford to keep a competent > > operator on board. > > > That is just a totally ignornant statement. Look the word > up. It means not knowing the facts. The fact is it's > almost impossible to find someone to keep someone there at a > reasonable rate and at night listenership drops off, and > most stations even unatttended don't make ANYthing after > dark. A lot of stations simply can NOT afford to have > someone overnite. There was the recent FCC proposal to have > all stations staffed all the time when on the air. That > would cause thousands of small town market and small market > stations to sign off very early at night and not stay on > overnight. Why stay on overnight? It prevents tuneouts. > > WCAM and WPUB in Camden, SC said even if they had people to > work the evening and they would sign off, people would lay > out with no notice. > > We are automated mostly at WKDK. Well, if we had gotten > another workstation instead of doing everything out of one > computer ( Enco allows this, other automation systems > aren't capable of this) I could have my night playlist > done in advance, and could run live afternoons, and also > production could be done in the production room and send it > to the automation. Some stations use software that schedules > commercials and puts them in the automation and also uses > music scheduling software. We use that traffic scheduling > software, however we PRINT out the log, and all commercials > and music and other events are manually entered into our > playlists. We have a lot of programs that come in on CD and > I have to rip them into the computer. Not having to be live > in the afternoon allows me time to do this. Now, this is an > AM playing music. In a larger market with a group of > stations, only a few of the stations are usually profitable. > > > > Powell > > > > Strange that most volunteer stations, > > like heard on colleges, have no trouble affording at > least > > a limited staff...but then they don't have to > answer to > > shareholders that may not even listen to them. > > George > > > > > > --- On Tue, 7/29/08, mjgrant@aol.com > > wrote: > > > > > From: mjgrant@aol.com > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday > night > > (25 July) > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 1:52 PM > > > While the reliability of broadcasting equipment > has > > improved > > > immensely in the past several decades, which > should be > > > reflected to some degree in the relaxation of the > > rules, a > > > broadcast station should never be unattended in > my > > > opinion.? This is particularly true for the > station in > > > question because of its high power, dominant > > co-channel > > > station, and operating authority. > > > > > > It is one thing to relax taking hourly > transmitter > > > readings?by a First Class license holder.? It is > > another to > > > have a robot system that is as unattended as a > traffic > > > light. > > > > > > Here is the real question:? Does anyone > associated > > with > > > WRFD actually listen to it? > > > > > > Here is St. Louis, KFRT simutaneously ran news > feeds > > and > > > programs at equal level for hours uncorrected in > the > > middle > > > of weekday. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: george russell > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:24 pm > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday > night > > (25 > > > July) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See what happens when you put a computer in > charge? > > > It's nice to have an "engineer" or > > > "technician" or "operator" > that > > never > > > calls in sick, doesn't ask for a raise, and > takes > > no > > > time off, but I wonder if that > "employee" > > full of > > > ICs is going to take responsibility when the FCC > comes > > > calling? > > > I'm sure it will serve that job for which > > computers are > > > so often recruited, a scapegoat, but will it pay > the > > fine? > > > (and there should be one, both punitive and to > cover > > losses > > > to WCBS!) > > > If it were my station, it would be MY hand on the > > throttle, > > > but I guess that is an old fashioned way of > thinking. > > > A station without human operation is not a > > broadcasting > > > concern, just a big fancy repeater! Just my 1/50 > of a > > > dollar's worth... > > > G > > > > > > --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Donn Tillman > > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Donn Tillman > > > > > > > Subject: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday > > night (25 > > > July) > > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > > Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net > > > > Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 10:37 PM > > > > Just wondering if anyone noticed the > interference > > WCBS > > > had > > > > this past Friday night; apparently from what > I > > read on > > > the > > > > Columbus (OH) radio-info > > board..........Salem's > > > WRFD > > > > 880, due to a computer glitch (the lights > were > > on, but > > > on > > > > one was home!) didn't sign off at the > local > > sunset > > > of > > > > 9p this past Friday night and apparently > > didn't > > > drop to > > > > the critical hours power as well and pumped > out > > 23,000 > > > watts > > > > overnight. > > > > > > > > The satellite feed continued for the rest of > the > > > night. > > > > > > > > Someone from Fargo North Dakota dx'd > WRFD > > Friday > > > night, > > > > even though he said it was weak in Fargo. > > > > > > > > I imagine anyone in Toledo, Cleveland, > Youngstown > > or > > > > western Pennsylvania that were trying to > listen > > to > > > News on > > > > WCS Friday evening had a challenge. This was > a > > one > > > night > > > > event, evidently the problem was corrected > and > > sign > > > off was > > > > at 9pm on Saturday evening. > > > > > > > > Donn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups > > Links > > > > > > From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 09:22:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86373 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 16:22:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 16:22:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.145) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 16:22:41 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2008 16:22:34 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.250] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2008 16:22:37 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2008 16:22:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 672766.28877.bm@omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 60902 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 16:22:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.134 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 16:22:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hODX3f0VM1lB2dDB1BdxrAQt9Fkd4Axbv5vPaK2nky3zQ1NNOBCL3PFPQ0oci4sYFNEXbzGLEbrhYKi9P4bwk1I1b6aEY0kMEZHPfmAg9kJqs5KSDXhkuMxKhUzTAh6.7w-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <618932.63347.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <618932.63347.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <038E4A80-993E-4C56-8617-E0FEB34DD518@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:22:35 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=d-4_SWwj5Oe3yKuwvzgTJZOBbrPO1H323zeWI2BsyLtaIki_iQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Jul 30, 2008, at 11:15 AM, george russell wrote: > How could companies afford so much labor? Maybe they weren't > so busy trying to provide income to investors that wouldn't know > honest work if it bit them in the posterior. Put the investor > behind the console, and watch him screw things up like no computer > ever could! No flames here. I agree with you. People need to work and earn money or they can't buy the crap the investor hopes to sell. And it WAS better when people actually could be seen working in radio stations. Was at an FM station in Harbert Hills, TN the other day. There was a nice looking antenna and small building. Everything was run from a computer and off the bird. Why even have a station if you are going to do that? BTW, no one listens to the station. I am sure its no surprise. Kevin Adamsville, TN From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 09:45:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86298 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 16:45:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 16:45:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 16:45:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63573 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2008 16:45:02 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:45:02 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:45:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <618932.63347.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <620418.59334.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=kHfTYnpsvYDLdvwThoJzAoMhXbMMkR674mPNtj_rWkY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Yahoo is acting goofy again. Let me see if I get this to go. NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 7/30/08, george russell wrote: > Ignorant? No, I just have a long memory and think for > myself! > If the station is that big of a loss after dark, why not > just shut down and let some other big-watter cover the area? Because you won't SERVE anything. The big watter is serving THEIR local area, not yours. > I'll bet there is a tax write-off in there somewhere. Maybe not/ > 50 years ago, an office's idea of a copy machine > was 50 girls at typewriters taking dictation, and most tall > buildings had live human elevator operators...and the > economy was a hell of a lot better then than now for most > folks. 50 years ago people died of diseases that are cured easily. There were very few if any treatments for heart problems, cancer, and so on. Is that better? > How could companies afford so much labor? It was cheaper. > Maybe they > weren't so busy trying to provide income to investors > that wouldn't know honest work if it bit them in the > posterior. Put the investor behind the console, and watch > him screw things up like no computer ever could! Computers don't screw things up, they do EXACTLY what they are told to do. > I know I'll get hell for that one, big deal, > I've had a hammer and sickle painted on my car before > for standing up for the HUMAN worker, the TRUE backbone of > this country. Many small town stations when I was a kid had > a real engineer on duty, not to mention live > "combo" dj/board-ops... > why was it it profitable THEN, but not NOW? Because then they were the only thing in town. And labor was cheap. Broadcast equipment was not even remotely dependable in relation to today's stuff. A lot of local small stations sounded like crap. But that's all there was. re-read 3rd > paragraph! > Greed and arrogance, two of humanity's ugliest traits, > are going to be the downfall of this country. Hopefully I > won't live long enough to say > "I told you so!". > G No, the small town and small market operator has a struggle to stay afloat. There are lots of small towns and their radio station is a cold and dark builing, a rusting tower and silent transmitter because there no longer is there enough revenue to keep it on the air. A lot of the operators have given up on radio or retired. There so much other media stuff floating around that it has hurt. Just being a cash register attached to a tower doesn't work either. Yes you CAN be automated and sound good and do service. The computer gives you the opportunity to be more productive, not more lazy. Those that choose the more lazy can go away, and often do. I'm at the station and automated now. I did the Noon Hour, recorded all my funeral announcements, and the Farm and Home program (swap trade sell thing) and now need to finish ripping my weekend Beach Music 3 hour show into the computer. And then finish my Church services on CD too. Powell From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Jul 30 09:45:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87266 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 16:45:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 16:45:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.164) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 16:45:10 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W50 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:44:26 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:44:25 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: <618932.63347.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <446510.46606.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <618932.63347.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2008 16:44:26.0123 (UTC) FILETIME=[870895B0:01C8F263] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=sfdzvSogfgI0m9d_PiGVAyHcH883CNo3diq7eTElU3fKnVUcDj5gggFJVkI X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting enough, I have seen several stations that have CP's to relinquish their nighttime authorizations; one is 1270 in Eatonville, Fl (near Orlando). (don't take my word; go to http:www.radio-locator.com and put in Eatonville, Orlando or zip code 32801.) I have read and heard from a number of people that radio listenership plummets after 7pm, so I guess there are stations that wonder why (with higher and higher power bills etc) they should stay on the air 24/7. Some of the CP's I have seen for this usually include a power increase and/or change in pattern or location for their daytime operations. Also I have seen some CP's in Florida to lower daytime power and to go non-directional, this seems to be cash flow problem where the station is saving money on real estate (selling the old several tower array to a developer) and then relocating to a single tower array, which requires less land. A case in point in WTIS in the Tampa/St Petersburg area, they are at 1110 on the AM dial and the are now 10,000 watts all during the day, once they make the transition, they will be something like 4700 or 4000 watts during critical hours and I would imagine WBT will bleed into part of their service area during the last hour or so everyday. What is interesting and maybe someone could explain the rationale to me; but WTIS - 1110 now has it's directional tower array in St. Petersburg and they are licensed to Tampa, now under the CP, they will be moving to some less expensive real estate in Tampa, but are CHANGING their City of License to St. Petersburg, doesn't make any sense to me, but I'm sure there must a reason. (good or bad!) WTIS is brokered religion and colon cleanse commercials, so it won't be a big loss, if WBT overpowers them in the early mornings and evenings. Donn To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: wlx1430@yahoo.comDate: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:15:36 -0700Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 30 12:07:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2638 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 19:07:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 19:07:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 19:07:08 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cd6.34eaf958 (41811) for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:07:01 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=EiACXWUTjd_EWXorHlt3bwQnaX1lFcuIHxCHYL09aOWmXUdgPN0K_xbt1tTb54vW X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, so they can't afford a 24/7/365 tech or DJ, but doesn't the station have a single employee who actually listens to the station on their own time for enjoyment? Someone who might call the appropriate person to go fix the problem? Or at least call someone who can call someone to fix the problem? Can't the station at least hire an illegal alien from just south of the border who will work for pennies without benefits? Yes, I am aware CFCO is a Canadian station. Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 30 12:22:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9399 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 19:22:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 19:22:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 19:22:40 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c94.36a1d4ea (41811) for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:22:35 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=5gR58ylaOC4E5vkKMpxURSmQKhjkBrztYezniGjZBKMKeGYslWSvoYnYdfOyTzWM X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/30/08 6:10:21 AM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > That is just a totally ignornant statement. Look the word up. I did. I think you have an extra "n". Hear in the Midwest, the term is "ignert". I still maintain if a station doesn't have enough listenership to support a low paid attendant, it needs to free up the bandwidth it occupies for another station that can. Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 12:37:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99809 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 19:37:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 19:37:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 19:37:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4293 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2008 19:36:57 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:36:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:36:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <338354.3874.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=EhtP10XhJkdJdx3B-OdoJ_zYhe65ybjfIy0_xnL5yKA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 7/30/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > That is just a totally ignornant statement. Look the > word up. > > I did. I think you have an extra "n". Hear in > the Midwest, the term is > "ignert". > > I still maintain if a station doesn't have enough > listenership to support a > low paid attendant, it needs to free up the bandwidth it > occupies for another station that can. Listenership at night is too low, and small market and small TOWN market stations can't afford it. Free up the bandwidth? On a local frequency? RIIIIGHT. And most of the time you can't FIND a reliable person, and if you had someone there, most of them, if something happened would make it worse. At WKDK there is almost ALWAYS someone monitoring. Those who NEVER monitor their stations need to be made a fool of. Powell From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 30 12:51:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85407 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 19:51:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 19:51:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 19:51:36 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bcb.3014d551 (41811) for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:51:29 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=DpjzqZCMT0_5X_gbqBRLBCn4qRPeemIilNQ75bwC00fD_dE8-o3EV7db2EaOLDK6 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Powell touches upon the idea that drove the FCC to cut back on the frequency protection for the Class IA stations. There were all these small town stations that so earnestly wanted to serve their communities during the evening hours. That was crap. They wanted the ad revenue, however small, and to hell with their communities. I've lived in small town and rural America. The only thing I can say is Thank God for stations like WLS, WOAI, CKLW, WCFL, WABC, KOMA and the like. In the middle of the sticks I could get the same high quality big city programming available to those in Chicago, Detriot, and New York. I could care less that Old Style was paying the frieght from up in God's Country rather than the local Dairy Queen. The owner of the local peanut whistle might have, but I didn't. Now that the small town stations got the extended hours authorization, they're bitching they can't afford to profitably program it with any local content. That is, except for ads. And wasn't that the idea all along? De-regulation has done to radio what it has done to the airline industry. Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 14:01:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99479 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 21:01:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 21:01:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 21:01:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10979 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2008 21:01:43 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:01:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:01:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <118395.10442.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=UlESIYVFbjgHBD4TMDuhoDxdDPlefb3pPdfY_vmMIn4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I said no such thing. I was referring to any station AM or FM that has a full time allocation. I think you don't have an understanding of what REAL radio is, and I don't mean those big companies that now are "circling the drain".... there's good small town market stations, not those that are unattended all the time and have NO local content at all. MOHD is NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 7/30/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Powell touches upon the idea that drove the FCC to cut back > on the frequency > protection for the Class IA stations. There were all these > small town > stations that so earnestly wanted to serve their > communities during the evening > hours. That was crap. They wanted the ad revenue, however > small, and to hell with > their communities. > From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 30 16:06:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33442 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 23:06:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 23:06:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 23:06:28 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bb8.338f825f (41810) for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:06:20 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=S5KfFd__EtMOrWNa7wfV1DX34fqLXiQc02feERHMVxK1T0EtZAaRz1Rh5UpWMu_e X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Powell, I know what small or tiny town is all about, or was. The owner(s) typically own one station or an AM/FM combo and wear many hats. It's definitely a hands-on job. In addition to owning the station, they manage and program it, keep the books, sell time, DJ, do repairs, answer the phone, and, time allowing, run the vacuum over the carpet. The one I am most familar with was in the small town where I attended college. It was a 1 kW top of the dial AM daytimer / 3 kW (yeap, 3,000 W ERP) short tower FM combo that simucast a Top 40 format during the day with the FM side signing off at midnight. The air staff had a fast-food turnover rate due to stiff wage competition from the Student Union Snack Bar and College Bookstore. The college ran three stations, a 100 Kw tall tower FMer that carried PBS, a 300 watt FM student run station that ran a progressive / Top 40 mix, and a carrier current AM station that had live Top 40 during the day and early evening and rebroadcast a popular Top 40 FM station from a distant major city the rest of the time. The social science department would run surveys as academic exercises and the college stations left nothing in terms of available listeners. It was an ego thing for the guy who ran it, although I believe his wife actually held the license. The station lost money hand over fist. The couple ran a motor hotel and restaurant which was their actual source of income. However, he took great pride in his station and owning it. Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Jul 30 16:08:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91336 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 23:08:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 23:08:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 23:08:45 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so160357ywk.36 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:08:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.49.2 with SMTP id w2mr156840ybw.27.1217459324824; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.113? ( [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m10sm3218075rnd.15.2008.07.30.16.08.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:08:33 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=n-JmYv6iQqzhT2oFWgwk9JRsyVVxVcEcnP6TP5lfxwl_zgd-9vVCXbKxqFXJpA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jul 30, 2008, at 3:22 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I still maintain if a station doesn't have enough listenership to > support a > low paid attendant, it needs to free up the bandwidth it occupies > for another > station that can. Agreed! Kevin From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Jul 30 16:29:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33130 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 23:29:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 23:29:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 23:29:29 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.208] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080730182910100415300010> for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:29:10 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <021601c8f29c$995d2ee0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <618932.63347.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:29:10 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=S5yWqanepa3sPkTw6ACDaeDqxXdV7wHN44qwYxAo2d-4trEksbdK X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lower wages, less taxes, fewer benefits. It amazes me that folks who haven't run so much as a hot dog stand can think of themselves as economic experts. That last isn't directed strictly at you, George, as it's all too common. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell How could companies afford so much labor? Maybe they weren't so busy trying to provide income to investors that wouldn't know honest work if it bit them in the posterior. Put the investor behind the console, and watch him screw things up like no computer ever could! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 16:35:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91435 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 23:35:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 23:35:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.125.208) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 23:35:50 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n10.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2008 23:35:39 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.67] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2008 23:35:50 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp419.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2008 23:35:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 438217.33993.bm@omp419.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 73138 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 23:35:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.144 with plain) by smtp128.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 23:35:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QzUuDtQVM1lQ006YBkjR11BCFdHVK9Ei48ruL4NHfUdWDD0dywD7Gm4AZQJcl4P2qM2hatZWzPRndzXQPNOUk7hvVAsKtAE.8dPdTWmlJc2607ffCflSW1N457kw0dgE0X0B5_SXvhl1yCVzCSUy X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <021601c8f29c$995d2ee0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <618932.63347.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <021601c8f29c$995d2ee0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:35:46 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.125.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=hIwpcHZ0vteY8oL_NZ9tpw58xFvyUWygJm8FGJkVgaunA2TMsw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Lower wages, less taxes, fewer benefits. It amazes me that folks > who haven't run so much as a hot dog stand can think of themselves > as economic experts. That last isn't directed strictly at you, > George, as it's all too common. The investor class has had so much greed that they have almost economically destroyed this nation. The Republican party is far the worst in causing this. The greed they show and hatred towards working people by them is palpable to those who work. Yes, I know this is for AM stereo and I might get hammered for this but I could not let it go. Sorry to all. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 16:48:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57149 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2008 23:48:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2008 23:48:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2008 23:48:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 92023 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2008 23:48:42 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.62] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:48:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:48:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <264408.78355.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=OG2QsuQi8bgogXqgJ72HgPUbGzoW4i4Rxk_WG2dwaM8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW WKDK is a full kilowatt on 1240. Full time or so there's Jimmy the owner, Heather who also sells does interviews and middays. She's partly live. I do the 1:35 PM to 6 PM playlist and 8 PM until 6:15 the next morning. It would be a real pain if we had to schedule logs by hand...and be live all the time. We would be signing off at 11;30 otherwise, maybe earlier. With the Enco automation system it allows us to do stuff out of one box that most other automation systems have to have 2 or more computers. I have not played with Prophet, but with Enco when I do my playlist I can't play more than one thing at a time I think. I don't know if you can do it with scheduling software. Prophet Systems allows it.... for some reason. But Prophet, however is VERY CPU intensive. Enco allows us to carry a lot of different network programs, such as ABC News, SC Network News and Sports, their Sportstalk Program and U of SC and Clemson University Sports. We do carry Newberry High School and Newberry College sports, but I usually board op that. We also use a Tieline, which is a codec that allows high quality audio at dial up rates. 28800 is maximum speed. At that speed it sounds way better than AM IBOC ever could. The new versions do stereo over IP via cell phone. But with so much other media around it's way much harder to stay afloat. We are full service with oldies and a mix of new AC and new AC's country that is decent. It's interesting that some of the big guys are circling the drain. The only ones doing OK are the small TOWN market folks who haven't forgotten what radio is, and we ARE staying afloat with the help of computers, and quality solid state audio and transmitting equipment. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 7/30/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > I know what small or tiny town is all about, or was. The > owner(s) typically > own one station or an AM/FM combo and wear many hats. > It's definitely a > hands-on job. In addition to owning the station, they > manage and program it, keep > the books, sell time, DJ, do repairs, answer the phone, > and, time allowing, > run the vacuum over the carpet. From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 23:42:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63309 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 06:42:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 06:42:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 06:42:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54659 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2008 06:42:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:42:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:42:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <222034.53945.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: RE: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=PW1lXRGr-ibxjJAc4VpDgAL0CFsmismMohLiiXEQje0mgg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Brokered religion and colon cleanse? Hmmm, Rev. Ike, Crazy Water Crystals, autographed pictures of the Lord, now where have I heard that before? Pretty successful formula for certain mega-flamers whose call signs started with XE! Oh, how I miss the big Mexican border blasters...G --- On Wed, 7/30/08, Donn Tillman wrote: > From: Donn Tillman > Subject: RE: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 12:44 PM > Interesting enough, I have seen several stations that have > CP's to relinquish their nighttime authorizations; one > is 1270 in > Eatonville, Fl (near Orlando). (don't take my word; go > to http:www.radio-locator.com and put in Eatonville, Orlando > or zip code 32801.) > > I have read and heard from a number of people that radio > listenership plummets after 7pm, so I guess there are > stations that wonder why (with higher and higher power bills > etc) they should stay on the air 24/7. > > Some of the CP's I have seen for this usually include a > power increase and/or change in pattern or location for > their daytime operations. > > Also I have seen some CP's in Florida to lower daytime > power and to go non-directional, this seems to be cash flow > problem where the station is saving money on real estate > (selling the old several tower array to a developer) and > then relocating to a single tower array, which requires less > land. > > A case in point in WTIS in the Tampa/St Petersburg area, > they are at 1110 on the AM dial and the are now 10,000 watts > all during the day, once they make the transition, they will > be something like 4700 or 4000 watts during critical hours > and I would imagine WBT will bleed into part of their > service area during the last hour or so everyday. > > What is interesting and maybe someone could explain the > rationale to me; but WTIS - 1110 now has it's > directional tower array in St. Petersburg and they are > licensed to Tampa, now under the CP, they will be moving to > some less expensive real estate in Tampa, but are CHANGING > their City of License to St. Petersburg, doesn't make > any sense to me, but I'm sure there must a reason. (good > or bad!) > > WTIS is brokered religion and colon cleanse commercials, so > it won't be a big loss, if WBT overpowers them in the > early mornings and evenings. > > Donn > > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: > wlx1430@yahoo.comDate: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:15:36 > -0700Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night > (25 July) > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 30 23:53:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44964 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 06:53:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 06:53:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 06:53:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c75.34c6a74b (42809) for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:53:52 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=mpj9WKZLTB9okSy1drvh1kar32e2yIqJci_nDdVLPUvKM5nRyMflYomqtwE4tdxB X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sure you're doing a great job, Powell. As you mentioned, high school and college sports are a big component of the local content of most small town stations. Where I went to college, the college station carried the college teams, whose games were more or less drunken brawls. High school sports, especially football, is big in small towns. However, most people attended the games rather than listened to them on the radio. The problem with the major players is the monolythic programming. I can take just so much Rush and Shawn before my autonomic nervous systems kick in and empties my stomach. Goebels and Tokyo Rose at least played music some of the time. Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 23:58:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 602 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 06:58:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 06:58:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 06:58:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 65361 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2008 06:58:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:58:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:58:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <620418.59334.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <681219.65260.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=ttL-uIi5sPRN9Cox1FhcO_u4Bn10SHFIIg9yBJxYt6Qc9w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes, I agree, computers can make you more productive, and in some formats that is fine, but if I can say this without sounding boastful, give me a pair of QRKs, some hot PAMS jingles, and a decent board, and I'll run you a program that no computer can match. Only humans can intelligently interact with several music sources at the same time, and have a sense of exactly when to cue the record. Timing a cue by setting a fade level point for the preceding record only works well with some songs, it is disastrous with others! A computer, like you said, does exactly what it is programmed to do...but it has no feelings, no sense of tempo, and none of the other things that make a hot DJ. Our local oldies are all automated, and I am yet to hear anything to match what I heard on a small 1 kW. AM local growing up. Today's gear is more reliable, I agree, and the newer transmitters sound pretty darn good (But so does a screen-mod Continental!), it just seems a shame that such sonic quality can't be wedded with good old fashioned talent. Somewhere out there is a kid willing to work for a fair wage, who might be the next Wolfman Jack or Gary Burbank if just given a chance. Shame that chance will probably never come... George --- On Wed, 7/30/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 12:45 PM > Yahoo is acting goofy again. Let me see if I get this to > go. > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > --- On Wed, 7/30/08, george russell > wrote: > > > Ignorant? No, I just have a long memory and think for > > myself! > > If the station is that big of a loss after dark, why > not > > just shut down and let some other big-watter cover the > area? > > > Because you won't SERVE anything. The big watter is > serving THEIR local area, not yours. > > > I'll bet there is a tax write-off in there > somewhere. > > Maybe not/ > > > > 50 years ago, an office's idea of a copy > machine > > was 50 girls at typewriters taking dictation, and most > tall > > buildings had live human elevator operators...and the > > economy was a hell of a lot better then than now for > most > > folks. > > > 50 years ago people died of diseases that are cured easily. > There were very few if any treatments for heart problems, > cancer, and so on. Is that better? > > > > How could companies afford so much labor? > > > It was cheaper. > > > Maybe they > > weren't so busy trying to provide income to > investors > > that wouldn't know honest work if it bit them in > the > > posterior. Put the investor behind the console, and > watch > > him screw things up like no computer ever could! > > > Computers don't screw things up, they do EXACTLY what > they are told to do. > > > > > > I know I'll get hell for that one, big deal, > > I've had a hammer and sickle painted on my car > before > > for standing up for the HUMAN worker, the TRUE > backbone of > > this country. Many small town stations when I was a > kid had > > a real engineer on duty, not to mention live > > "combo" dj/board-ops... > > why was it it profitable THEN, but not NOW? > > Because then they were the only thing in town. And labor > was cheap. Broadcast equipment was not even remotely > dependable in relation to today's stuff. A lot of local > small stations sounded like crap. But that's all there > was. > > > > re-read 3rd > > paragraph! > > Greed and arrogance, two of humanity's ugliest > traits, > > are going to be the downfall of this country. > Hopefully I > > won't live long enough to say > > "I told you so!". > > G > > > No, the small town and small market operator has a struggle > to stay afloat. There are lots of small towns and their > radio station is a cold and dark builing, a rusting tower > and silent transmitter because there no longer is there > enough revenue to keep it on the air. A lot of the operators > have given up on radio or retired. There so much other media > stuff floating around that it has hurt. Just being a cash > register attached to a tower doesn't work either. > > Yes you CAN be automated and sound good and do service. The > computer gives you the opportunity to be more productive, > not more lazy. Those that choose the more lazy can go away, > and often do. I'm at the station and automated now. I > did the Noon Hour, recorded all my funeral announcements, > and the Farm and Home program (swap trade sell thing) and > now need to finish ripping my weekend Beach Music 3 hour > show into the computer. And then finish my Church services > on CD too. > > > Powell From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 00:08:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40815 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 07:08:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 07:08:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 07:08:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 74971 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2008 07:08:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:08:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:08:56 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <647039.74817.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=z6_XEZ2QQHUAesn62fSAreZ6wb7artMvxkaBheVC9EZi2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 AMEN, Mike! At night, I'd like nothing better than to see the return to true clear-channel (not the company) operation! The NARBA allocations that finally ended the US/Mexico wave-wars worked very well, gave everyone anywhere on the continent a good selection of programming, and even served somewhat of an ambassadorial duty by allowing cross-border and cross-cultural broadcasting between the three great nations that occupy this continent. I'd even like to see each nation allowed one or two super-power (500 kW?) channels, say 2 Cs, a W, a K, and 2 XEs, to increase intra-continental good will...just a dream of mine! George --- On Wed, 7/30/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 3:51 PM > Powell touches upon the idea that drove the FCC to cut back > on the frequency > protection for the Class IA stations. There were all these > small town > stations that so earnestly wanted to serve their > communities during the evening > hours. That was crap. They wanted the ad revenue, however > small, and to hell with > their communities. > > I've lived in small town and rural America. The only > thing I can say is > Thank God for stations like WLS, WOAI, CKLW, WCFL, WABC, > KOMA and the like. In > the middle of the sticks I could get the same high quality > big city programming > available to those in Chicago, Detriot, and New York. I > could care less that > Old Style was paying the frieght from up in God's > Country rather than the > local Dairy Queen. The owner of the local peanut whistle > might have, but I > didn't. > > Now that the small town stations got the extended hours > authorization, > they're bitching they can't afford to profitably > program it with any local content. > That is, except for ads. And wasn't that the idea all > along? > > De-regulation has done to radio what it has done to the > airline industry. > > Mike > > > > > > > ************** > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 00:11:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68277 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 07:11:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 07:11:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 07:11:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36968 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2008 07:11:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:11:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:11:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <21884.36684.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=TuZKiEqZUdKay7iN1DsujiKhiIo764va2tppdHhj2B69yg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Well put! VERY well put...you won't get hammered by ME! G --- On Wed, 7/30/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 7:35 PM > > Lower wages, less taxes, fewer benefits. It amazes me > that folks > > who haven't run so much as a hot dog stand can > think of themselves > > as economic experts. That last isn't directed > strictly at you, > > George, as it's all too common. > > The investor class has had so much greed that they have > almost > economically destroyed this nation. The Republican party is > far the > worst in causing this. The greed they show and hatred > towards working > people by them is palpable to those who work. > > Yes, I know this is for AM stereo and I might get hammered > for this > but I could not let it go. > > Sorry to all. > > Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 00:20:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70747 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 07:20:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 07:20:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 07:20:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42292 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2008 07:20:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:20:00 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:20:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <565876.42063.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=h1pNSOsOua8iC9GMUeLRnsqUD3Fqqq0LJ0F3_iJmo45WEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yup, the "cookie-cutter" programs. One night I sat in Durand, MI, scanned the dial, and found 11 stations carrying C2C, and over a dozen carrying ESPN...with a lousy car radio! My stomach nearly empties, too! G --- On Thu, 7/31/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 2:53 AM > I'm sure you're doing a great job, Powell. > > As you mentioned, high school and college sports are a big > component of the > local content of most small town stations. Where I went to > college, the > college station carried the college teams, whose games were > more or less drunken > brawls. High school sports, especially football, is big in > small towns. > However, most people attended the games rather than > listened to them on the radio. > > The problem with the major players is the monolythic > programming. I can take > just so much Rush and Shawn before my autonomic nervous > systems kick in and > empties my stomach. Goebels and Tokyo Rose at least played > music some of the > time. > > Mike > > > ************** > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@optusnet.com.au Thu Jul 31 00:51:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68262 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 07:51:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 07:51:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.186) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 07:51:24 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d122-104-70-209.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [122.104.70.209]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6V7pJjx005353; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:51:20 +1000 To: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:51:18 +1000 Message-ID: <005001c8f2e2$38015040$0301010a@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <021601c8f29c$995d2ee0$d503fea9@stodd> Thread-Index: AcjynCBAeqLRKWkZSXeohUtj1MOKNQARDGOA X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=Rj7QAPNuxMo65eKFmExFz08DXAWwLWybtrDCc8_HUc87 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: george russell Well put! VERY well put...you won't get hammered by ME! G Hear Hear. Well said Kevin. From: Scott Todd It amazes me that folks who haven't run so much as a hot dog stand can think of themselves as economic experts. That last isn't directed strictly at you, George, as it's all too common. Scott I see. So have you, Scott, run more than a hot dog stand? What makes you an expert, and all of us economic plebs? Or are you the secret owner of that worldwide conglomerate ... Hot Dogs R Us!!?? Ian Melbourne, Oz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 02:14:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68462 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 09:14:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 09:14:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 09:14:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 60634 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2008 09:14:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:14:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:14:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005001c8f2e2$38015040$0301010a@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <642125.59843.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: RE: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=G1i1X0qWF4Qm1Si5uQWydQaUMZEAS4J62cWFf3UXbw6H3g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Economic experts? Oh, you mean those guys that keep saying how great the economy is, while I wonder if my kid will be warm this winter? Any clear thinker who is not duped by the established (and paid-off) "wisdom" of the powers-that-be, can see the truth about the economy. It is overly-complicated, probably for sinister reasons, artificially propped up with assets that don't even exist, and based on money that is dust in the wind. And the "experts" want to keep it that way! "Experts" are a dime a dozen, and overpriced at that. All due respect, but I learn all I need to know about the economy when I drive past a gas station, don't get hired for a job, or stay awake at night wondering how I'm going to feed my kid another month. G --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Ian Davidson wrote: > From: Ian Davidson > Subject: RE: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 3:51 AM > From: george russell > > > Well put! VERY well put...you won't get hammered by ME! > G > > Hear Hear. Well said Kevin. > > From: Scott Todd > > It amazes me that folks who haven't run so much as a > hot dog stand can think > of themselves as economic experts. That last isn't > directed strictly at you, > George, as it's all too common. Scott > > I see. So have you, Scott, run more than a hot dog stand? > What makes you > an expert, and all of us economic plebs? > > Or are you the secret owner of that worldwide conglomerate > ... Hot Dogs R > Us!!?? > > > Ian > Melbourne, Oz > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 02:18:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95594 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 09:18:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 09:18:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 09:18:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46680 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2008 09:18:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:18:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:18:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005001c8f2e2$38015040$0301010a@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <588649.46406.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: RE: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=XsXcAXxIjxUqyKNfz2-bTUpv0GUyrgjwqQIj333ysVGP8w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Economic experts? Oh, you mean those guys that keep saying how great the economy is, while I wonder if my kid will be warm this winter? Any clear thinker who is not duped by the established (and paid-off) "wisdom" of the powers-that-be, can see the truth about the economy. It is overly-complicated, probably for sinister reasons, artificially propped up with assets that don't even exist, and based on money that is dust in the wind. And the "experts" want to keep it that way! "Experts" are a dime a dozen, and overpriced at that. All due respect, but I learn all I need to know about the economy when I drive past a gas station, don't get hired for a job, or stay awake at night wondering how I'm going to feed my kid another month. Maybe the "experts" will feed him? G --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Ian Davidson wrote: > From: Ian Davidson > Subject: RE: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 3:51 AM > From: george russell > > > Well put! VERY well put...you won't get hammered by ME! > G > > Hear Hear. Well said Kevin. > > From: Scott Todd > > It amazes me that folks who haven't run so much as a > hot dog stand can think > of themselves as economic experts. That last isn't > directed strictly at you, > George, as it's all too common. Scott > > I see. So have you, Scott, run more than a hot dog stand? > What makes you > an expert, and all of us economic plebs? > > Or are you the secret owner of that worldwide conglomerate > ... Hot Dogs R > Us!!?? > > > Ian > Melbourne, Oz > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 31 06:51:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30960 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 13:51:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 13:51:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 13:51:19 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.d6a.2d6d68f6 (29672) for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:51:04 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=cdGO2dlv70qH-Up7ibDLQhBK6fE92cJbyIiykK3EHWoL_jshuvXabTqeC1SS3SXd X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George makes an interesting point. Radio is not a jukebox. Nowadays, people have Ipods, etc. to listen to the music they chose to hear. Radio is an entertainment medium. The keyword is entertainment. The Top 40 format wasn't just about playing records. A critical component was a strong on-air personality. Every station played more or less the same records. That wasn't what set KFRC, KHJ, WLS, WABC, WBZ, and so many other stations apart. It was people like Don Rose, Larry Lujack, and countless others. These people weren't just folks who knew their way around a turntable. They were entertainers. They brought something good into our lives. There are stations today that play the music from that era, but they're not what those stations were. It wasn't the music, it was a package, the presentation. I don't believe Top 40 is coming back any more than Fibber McGee or The Shadow. Like it's predecessors, it had a Golden Age, but that time has come and gone. It made a contribution which has enduring value, but nevertheless, it belongs to the past, not the future. If it is to survive, radio must evolve. Someone needs to re-invent it once more. I wish I was smart enough to do that, but I am not William Paley, David Sarnoff, Todd Storz, or Alan Freed. However, I believe that person is out there. The kid who rides his or her bicycle out to the edge of town to see the small building with its call letters out front and tower raising above it. Someone who sees something there the rest of us can't. Like those who came before, someone with the imagination and daring to grab the lightning. Maybe we need all those small stations to be the incubator of radio's future. One thing is for certain, it's not going to be created by an automation system or come down from the sky via a satellite feed. Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 06:58:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58020 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 13:58:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 13:58:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 13:58:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45683 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2008 13:58:49 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.164] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:58:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:58:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <681219.65260.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <53721.45313.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: the good old days X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=C937tbXd1zIdhX3xWfIuUOx7fRE2evKKFb6OwEi2eAw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Inline comments. NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 7/31/08, george russell wrote: > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 2:58 AM > Yes, I agree, computers can make you more productive, and in > some formats that is fine, but if I can say this without > sounding boastful, give me a pair of QRKs, some hot PAMS > jingles, and a decent board, and I'll run you a program > that no computer can match. You can do the same thing with an automation system. You can cross fade the cuts to your hearts content, and I think you can set where you want it to. I would rather have a direct drive Technics turntable than a QRK or Russco. Parts aren't available any more. Only humans can intelligently > interact with several music sources at the same time, and > have a sense of exactly when to cue the record. Timing a > cue by setting a fade level point for the preceding record > only works well with some songs, it is disastrous with > others! As I said you can set the points on the computer, on the sophisticated ones, for each song I am guessing. > A computer, like you said, does exactly what it is > programmed to do...but it has no feelings, no sense of > tempo, and none of the other things that make a hot DJ. See above again. > Our local oldies are all automated, and I am yet to hear > anything to match what I heard on a small 1 kW. AM local > growing up. Yeah because maybe they are from "the bird" ?? > Today's gear is more reliable, I agree, and the newer > transmitters sound pretty darn good (But so does a > screen-mod Continental!), it just seems a shame that such > sonic quality can't be wedded with good old fashioned > talent. Somewhere out there is a kid willing to work for a > fair wage, who might be the next Wolfman Jack or Gary > Burbank if just given a chance. > Shame that chance will probably never come... Yeah but the newest solid state transmitters will modulate louder and have FAR better distortion figures than the tube type ones, especially in high powered units. And tubes are getting harder to get and are more expensive, and are far poorer of quality than years past. As for high school students, don't forget most kids now don't listen to ANY radio, let alone AM. Some have no idea what it is. And so many kids are so unreliable..... Powell ( cuing up American Pie ) From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 07:03:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92708 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 14:03:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 14:03:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 14:03:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50338 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2008 14:03:40 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.164] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:03:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:03:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <647039.74817.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <128185.50291.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Rio treaty X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=88pFHY00W8culYNQUSUZzffRaITp1OFPreBVjcwZ26Q X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- On Thu, 7/31/08, george russell wrote: > From: george russell > At night, I'd like nothing better than to see the > return to true clear-channel (not the company) operation! > The NARBA allocations that finally ended the US/Mexico > wave-wars worked very well, gave everyone anywhere on the > continent a good selection of programming, and even served > somewhat of an ambassadorial duty by allowing cross-border > and cross-cultural broadcasting between the three great > nations that occupy this continent. Pre NARBA the AM band went from 550 to 1500. Note that 540 wasn't added until 1955. We need to get 530 added in the US as a regular frequency. > I'd even like to see each nation allowed one or two > super-power (500 kW?) > channels, say 2 Cs, a W, a K, and 2 XEs, to increase > intra-continental good will...just a dream of mine! > George The RIO treaty came after NARBA and prohibits that. RIO allows a maximum of 100,000 watts day and 50,000 nights. Gee I would love to be able to fire up a DX-2000 or one of Nautel's NA-2000. On 530 it would cover a lot of territory with 2 million watts. If you do another on 1710, at night you could cover the entire continent at night. Powell From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 31 07:14:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51731 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 14:14:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 14:14:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 14:14:36 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.ce7.31dfade5 (29672) for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:14:31 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=1Vtnffl8m_zokgLBfsPfcWfCkyPar5ov46gCmGXY9KuLp4lbN2mw78UY3s0064Hq X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George, Mexico has some 500kW class stations. WLW experimented in the late 30's and during WWII with superpower 500kW. The idea of raising the maximum power of some of the Class 1A stations to 500kW had been kicked around in the 30s and 40s. The polical landscape was much different back then. That was the FDR era in which there was concern about preserving our democracy from the tyranny of Big Business run amok. There was a fear of allowing that much power falling into the hands of a few. Entities like Cheap Channel and Infamy could never have existed back then. With adequate protection, 50kW is sufficient, unless you want to talk about covering continents. The problem now isn't insufficient power, it's reduced protection. There is clutter. At night, just a 1kW station will render the skywave service area around it useless for hundreds of miles, many times its useful service area. With that said, I wish I would have been in Mason when WLW put 500,000 watts to that Blaw Knox of theirs. I'd bet its daytime contour stretched to St. Louis, Chicago, New Orleans, and Philadelphia. Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 31 07:35:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89370 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 14:35:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 14:35:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 14:35:27 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.bbb.3280e813 (29672) for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:35:21 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rio treaty X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=6Uj-u9MiCpIeMPdKJNemG3MVivkp4x0_dwjX7ul2Hu7AWWP9eKqoxxmFQmP0NAkg X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/31/08 9:04:14 AM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > Gee I would love to be able to fire up a DX-2000 or one of Nautel's > NA-2000. On 530 it would cover a lot of territory with 2 million watts. > With their solid state high efficiency technology, you could float one on a ship in the ocean with a nice salt water ground. You could have multiple ships in a spaced arrangement with their exciters properly phased-locked via GPS. Maybe five ships delivering 10 Megawatts in a super-cardiod pattern anchored just beyond the economic territorial limit on the East Coast. If you had such a technological monster, how would you program it? Just wondering. Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Jul 31 08:48:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28898 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 15:48:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 15:48:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.149) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 15:48:05 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so40048qwj.34 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:48:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.214.217.8 with SMTP id p8mr6391127qag.4.1217519284666; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.64? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h12sm5341168wxd.35.2008.07.31.08.48.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <118395.10442.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:26:18 -0400 References: <118395.10442.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=d-zYsKprWZkIIrLGf7-u6E4GRlNWC2OY03BnjNVOiREzIrw1KNU-xvhu4SQvgg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jul 30, 2008, at 5:01 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > there's good small town market stations, not those that are > unattended all the time and have NO local content at all. MOHD is Very few Small stations are run as well as WNMB or WKDK. As far as that goes, Very few big 50,000 Watt blowtorch stations are run as well as WNMB. If a small station cannot make enough money to keep a real live employee of the station there at all times, they should go off of the air so they don't cause QRM to the stations that can. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 09:28:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56171 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 16:28:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 16:28:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 16:28:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63377 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2008 16:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:28:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <624485.62830.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=_KrrYtCvFSLRnWzfB5QiCTmCOKlx76mLPvmlMYIWLH0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 7/31/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > Mexico has some 500kW class stations. NOT anymore. NOT after Rio. They DID. WLW experimented in > the late 30's and > during WWII with superpower 500kW. This is true. > The idea of raising the maximum power of some of the Class > 1A stations to > 500kW had been kicked around in the 30s and 40s. The > polical landscape was much > different back then. That was the FDR era in which there > was concern about > preserving our democracy from the tyranny of Big Business > run amok. There was a > fear of allowing that much power falling into the hands of > a few. Entities > like Cheap Channel and Infamy could never have existed back > then. Infinity is CBS. > With adequate protection, 50kW is sufficient, unless you > want to talk about covering continents. That is not true. Daytime, some non direction 50 KW stations do not have very good coverage in the City of License..... poor ground conductivity and man made noise. The problem now isn't > insufficient power, it's reduced > protection. There is clutter. At night, just a 1kW > station will render the > skywave service area around it useless for hundreds of > miles, many times its useful service area. This is true. > With that said, I wish I would have been in Mason when WLW > put 500,000 watts > to that Blaw Knox of theirs. I'd bet its daytime > contour stretched to St. > Louis, Chicago, New Orleans, and Philadelphia. It didn't go nearly as far as that. Nights are a different thing. With plotting software and using 530 and 2 million watts,and using Wheeler Texas as the point, city grade coverage was stupendous, covering 8 million people but it was far FAR less than you would imagine. And it wouldn't be worth the attempt. Powell From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 11:42:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15749 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 18:42:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 18:42:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 18:42:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66948 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2008 18:42:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:42:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:42:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <620924.63709.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=9GA-N6U3Ngj0Rb29nHBnectkqX4mqpyuSrCJfr-g8YJQyw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 That last paragraph sums it up with great eloquence...thanks for the stirring imagery! I once was that kid on the bike, and you're right, that kid is out there. Do we go looking for him, or wait for him to find us? G --- On Thu, 7/31/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 9:51 AM > George makes an interesting point. Radio is not a jukebox. > Nowadays, people > have Ipods, etc. to listen to the music they chose to hear. > Radio is an > entertainment medium. The keyword is entertainment. > > The Top 40 format wasn't just about playing records. A > critical component > was a strong on-air personality. Every station played more > or less the same > records. That wasn't what set KFRC, KHJ, WLS, WABC, > WBZ, and so many other > stations apart. It was people like Don Rose, Larry Lujack, > and countless others. > These people weren't just folks who knew their way > around a turntable. They > were entertainers. They brought something good into our > lives. > > There are stations today that play the music from that era, > but they're not > what those stations were. It wasn't the music, it was > a package, the > presentation. > > I don't believe Top 40 is coming back any more than > Fibber McGee or The > Shadow. Like it's predecessors, it had a Golden Age, > but that time has come and > gone. It made a contribution which has enduring value, but > nevertheless, it > belongs to the past, not the future. > > If it is to survive, radio must evolve. Someone needs to > re-invent it once > more. I wish I was smart enough to do that, but I am not > William Paley, David > Sarnoff, Todd Storz, or Alan Freed. However, I believe > that person is out > there. The kid who rides his or her bicycle out to the > edge of town to see the > small building with its call letters out front and tower > raising above it. > Someone who sees something there the rest of us can't. > Like those who came > before, someone with the imagination and daring to grab the > lightning. Maybe we > need all those small stations to be the incubator of > radio's future. One thing > is for certain, it's not going to be created by an > automation system or come > down from the sky via a satellite feed. > > Mike > > > > > > > > > ************** > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 31 12:03:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57369 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 19:03:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 19:03:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 19:03:31 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c8c.2695e984 (30740) for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:03:20 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=LYH7tyhy6IavtpBBA8fF8YWUUffb597Gg1_tgJ7tQelo4NU50GslwGsb7YGAHi4O X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 500,000 watts would be 10 times 50 kW which would yield a +10 dB increase in field strength. At 700 kHz, that should have produce a usable, though not city contour, out to Chicago (250 miles), St. Louis (300 miles), and possibly Philadelphia (500 miles). I used to listen to WLS (890) during the day driving to and from work in St. Louis (250 miles) with only 50 kW. At 500 kW, that signal would have been more than 6 times stronger. Of course, if you look at the conductivity map, there is a high conductivity path between St. Louis and Chicago. I think it was a WPA project during the 1930s. Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 12:05:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70896 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 19:05:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 19:05:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 19:05:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 95917 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2008 19:05:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:05:52 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:05:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <492642.95717.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Nmt2gPua1v8RV4NCWlZvhsirOK3h6u125rxT3xLwPR_foQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes, Mexico still has some stations LICENSED for 500 kW., but few if any are running at that power anymore. Only two big ones still making a dent in the U.S. sky are XERF (1570) and XEROK (800). XEG (1050) may still be strong, I'm in a bad area to hear them, though. Mexican stations can have one wattage on the license, and another at the tower. XERF has been licensed at 250 kW. since back when they actually had a 250 kW. Amplifuzz, but until 2003, they often were just a weak local. 2003, they kicked it up to 100 kW, with the intention of being an IMER outlet for expatriates living in the U.S.. They are easily heard as far up as Cincinnati! As for XEROK, they dropped to lower power for a while, worn out equipment and such, but a couple years ago, got all new ground radials, a new ATU, and three shiny new Harris DX-50s! Quite often, I can hear them near Flint, MI, even though CKLW is only 75 miles away. Now THAT's a border-blaster! If they would just go back to the X-ROK 80 format... (no offense meant to any Radio Canon fans out there) Yes, I would love to have been at WLW then, too! One of the engineers who WAS there, is a member of Michigan Antique Radio Club...Charlie Stinger is a walking WLW and Crosley museum and library! Ah, to have a time machine... George --- On Thu, 7/31/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 10:14 AM > George, > > Mexico has some 500kW class stations. WLW experimented in > the late 30's and > during WWII with superpower 500kW. > > The idea of raising the maximum power of some of the Class > 1A stations to > 500kW had been kicked around in the 30s and 40s. The > polical landscape was much > different back then. That was the FDR era in which there > was concern about > preserving our democracy from the tyranny of Big Business > run amok. There was a > fear of allowing that much power falling into the hands of > a few. Entities > like Cheap Channel and Infamy could never have existed back > then. > > With adequate protection, 50kW is sufficient, unless you > want to talk about > covering continents. The problem now isn't > insufficient power, it's reduced > protection. There is clutter. At night, just a 1kW > station will render the > skywave service area around it useless for hundreds of > miles, many times its > useful service area. > > With that said, I wish I would have been in Mason when WLW > put 500,000 watts > to that Blaw Knox of theirs. I'd bet its daytime > contour stretched to St. > Louis, Chicago, New Orleans, and Philadelphia. > > Mike > > > ************** > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 12:10:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27501 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 19:10:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 19:10:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 19:10:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42920 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2008 19:10:23 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:10:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:10:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <492642.95717.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <283474.34037.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=mVg-fZlyH4NZLn69rdDI1blO-qCOlPW4o_aAWBu_HjI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 7/31/08, george russell wrote: > Yes, Mexico still has some stations LICENSED for 500 kW., Was licensed. The Rio agreement says 100,000 watts and even some licensed for that power level are using 50K. Night power is 50K period. The FCC data for Mexican stations is not correct, and outdated by next to forever. Powell From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 12:11:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36984 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 19:11:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 19:11:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 19:11:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 983 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2008 19:11:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:11:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:11:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <624485.62830.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <21466.306.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=vSZdxfTlK4nzHZVZGo7SpLzOnF3_l0V-A9vaVbWIyJVe5g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 There is still a big one in Cuba, that I often hear up in Michigan. It is a noticia station, giving time beeps every minute, a click on each second, and non-stop bulletin board news reports. can't remember the freq, 640, 680, something like that... Last I heard they were running the full half-meg. G --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 12:28 PM > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > --- On Thu, 7/31/08, mjgrant@aol.com > wrote: > > > > > Mexico has some 500kW class stations. > > NOT anymore. NOT after Rio. They DID. > > WLW experimented in > > the late 30's and > > during WWII with superpower 500kW. > > This is true. > > > > The idea of raising the maximum power of some of the > Class > > 1A stations to > > 500kW had been kicked around in the 30s and 40s. The > > polical landscape was much > > different back then. That was the FDR era in which > there > > was concern about > > preserving our democracy from the tyranny of Big > Business > > run amok. There was a > > fear of allowing that much power falling into the > hands of > > a few. Entities > > like Cheap Channel and Infamy could never have existed > back > > then. > > Infinity is CBS. > > > > With adequate protection, 50kW is sufficient, unless > you > > want to talk about covering continents. > > That is not true. Daytime, some non direction 50 KW > stations do not have very good coverage in the City of > License..... poor ground conductivity and man made noise. > > > The problem now isn't > > insufficient power, it's reduced > > protection. There is clutter. At night, just a 1kW > > station will render the > > skywave service area around it useless for hundreds of > > miles, many times its useful service area. > > This is true. > > > > With that said, I wish I would have been in Mason when > WLW > > put 500,000 watts > > to that Blaw Knox of theirs. I'd bet its daytime > > contour stretched to St. > > Louis, Chicago, New Orleans, and Philadelphia. > > > It didn't go nearly as far as that. Nights are a > different thing. > With plotting software and using 530 and 2 million > watts,and using Wheeler Texas as the point, city grade > coverage was stupendous, covering 8 million people but it > was far FAR less than you would imagine. And it > wouldn't be worth the attempt. > > > Powell From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Jul 31 12:15:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52932 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 19:15:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 19:15:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s35.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.107) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 19:15:53 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.14]) by bay0-omc1-s35.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:15:17 -0700 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:15:16 -0700 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.117 by BLU108-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:15:08 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:15:08 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 19:15:16.0353 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3CDD710:01C8F341] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=G2Gf2pZrpi6zWC6AivXvc7Y_dYX-ynyQ7FDFST8ck6gXQI9OBq9BuzWVVb4 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm beginning to think that some of the best A.M. radio is in the smaller markets or the fringe of the bigger markets. ClearChannel and the other five or six big corporations cherry picked the biggest signals and markets they could find; pretty well leaving the small towns alone. In Leesburg, you can receive WLBE 790 (5,000 watts day, 1000 watts night in a tight east to west directional pattern) and WVLG 640 Wildwood/the Villages (good grounding, about 930 watts day and 870 watts night, non-directional). Both are locally owned and operated. WVLG 640 is live and local (playing oldies from the 50's through the 80's) from 6am through midnight 7 days a week; they do their own automation overnights. WVLG is owned by "The Villages" a huge developer that has built the Villages into one of the biggest (or maybe it is the biggest) 50+ retirement communities in the U.S.. The Villages encompasses three counties and currently has 70,000 people. In the public squares and common areas in any of the Villages (Sumter Landing, Spanish Springs etc) WVLG is piped in everywhere. While true that WVLG is to the Villages, what Radio Disney is to Disney Corp. (an promotional tool, they do play a lot of good music and are good with providing a calendar of local events) WLBE is at the other extreme budget wise, owned by an older gentleman (I think he told me he was 80 when I visited the station last year); they do have some syndicated talk shows, but the bulk of their programming is local talk and music. The owner told me that times are rough and they can't pay a lot to their employees and most have second jobs, but the two employees I met, while there seemed to have a passion for radio, as did the owner and manager( one and the same). They were showing off their new news room that had just been completed. So....... if anyone is in the Leesburg/Wildwood/The Villages area, try out the A.M. band; it's almost like a time warp back to the 60's and 70's. Leesburg is about 40 miles n.w. of Orlando and about 25 miles south of Ocala. Donn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 12:17:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31475 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 19:17:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 19:17:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 19:17:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7593 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2008 19:17:55 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:17:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:17:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <21466.306.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <334651.7433.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=DjGFF2cRhw8UUOpL7zscMd7db4exrIBFhr2VdfNdPvk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Radio Reloj.... on 640 when they came on during the Cuban Missle crisis they did. They put a 250,000 watter on 630. Those power levels are gone. I doubt there's that much power on 640 any more, or I'd never hear anything ELSE here in SC at that power level. So you have actually seen that 500,000 watt transmitter operating recently? I have even heard RR on FM during E-skip. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 7/31/08, george russell wrote: > There is still a big one in Cuba, that I often hear up in > Michigan. > It is a noticia station, giving time beeps every minute, a > click on each second, and non-stop bulletin board news > reports. > can't remember the freq, 640, 680, something like > that... > Last I heard they were running the full half-meg. > G From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 12:22:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88815 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 19:22:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 19:22:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 19:22:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21828 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2008 19:22:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:22:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:22:07 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <283474.34037.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <977686.20921.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=xuqkZ1Q0XrdiVHaR5tP2_o9812kWA1sTyQ1cGrmSEbvfdw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Powell, XEROK runs one DX-50 during the day, but ALL THREE at night. And I have heard XERF's legal ID..."transmitedo con cien mil watts de potencia"..."transmitting with one hundred thousand watts of power", and that was at 2:00 am their local time. As for XEROK, maybe somebody in TX or CH can see what the ID claims? They are definitely running more than 50 kW. at night! G --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 3:10 PM > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > --- On Thu, 7/31/08, george russell > wrote: > > > Yes, Mexico still has some stations LICENSED for 500 > kW., > > Was licensed. The Rio agreement says 100,000 watts and even > some licensed for that power level are using 50K. Night > power is 50K period. > > The FCC data for Mexican stations is not correct, and > outdated by next to forever. > > > Powell From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 12:26:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81604 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 19:26:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 19:26:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 19:26:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 88511 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2008 19:26:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:26:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:26:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <334651.7433.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <917478.87889.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=RaWH15_Io-6suKEZi4G3G3eTd4HES7_h5dxSzo6SvNe26Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 No, never been to Cuba, but the station has a CM?? call sign, and often comes in near Flint, on top of anything else on the channel, and sounding pretty good. May not be 640, I'll check next trip out from this power-line infested city! G --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 3:17 PM > Radio Reloj.... on 640 when they came on during the Cuban > Missle crisis they did. They put a 250,000 watter on 630. > Those power levels are gone. I doubt there's that much > power on 640 any more, or I'd never hear anything ELSE > here in SC at that power level. So you have actually seen > that 500,000 watt transmitter operating recently? I have > even heard RR on FM during E-skip. > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > --- On Thu, 7/31/08, george russell > wrote: > > There is still a big one in Cuba, that I often hear up > in > > Michigan. > > It is a noticia station, giving time beeps every > minute, a > > click on each second, and non-stop bulletin board news > > reports. > > can't remember the freq, 640, 680, something like > > that... > > Last I heard they were running the full half-meg. > > G From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Jul 31 12:27:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75310 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 19:27:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 19:27:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.238) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 19:27:17 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.15]) by bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:26:45 -0700 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:26:45 -0700 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.117 by BLU108-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:26:38 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:26:37 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2008 19:26:45.0239 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E698070:01C8F343] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=6iWqnJCZMQ4f1gIP5UYXxxTQnomt5n838kUEoQK6-ldhqaTsD3sLitDFMAY X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 640 out of Cuba (which I can receive pretty good during the day and great at night (overriding WVLG 640 out of the Villages) is music; mostly soft rock and pop and some disco. There are several , if not many, of the Radio Reloj that run news with the time beeps every minute; one that comes to mid is 950, which from where I am (St. Petersburg) overpowers the 950 out of Orlando). That is it used to, now I get IBOC sideband hash for the most part on 950. ( Thank you WFLA 970 for that). Donn st petersburg,fl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 31 12:31:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86208 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 19:31:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 19:31:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 19:31:23 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c5d.315d2eec (30737) for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:31:18 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=FXk8sxjsSrBwAInoda6DPtsboCGQHDFTJ21yqR3nleBrunchRmcm2a5OtfyCzq3L X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/31/08 1:43:26 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Do we go looking for him, or wait for him to find us? > I don't think most automation systems would invite him in for a popsicle after business hours like Wolfman Jack's "assistant" in American Grafetti. As automation takes over the small stations, radio loses its training ground, just like baseball has its minor leagues. Many of the well known personalities started out at small stations. Have you ever heard of a small station automation system developing its style and skill before moving on to the major market big-watters? One of these days, a station owner is going to have one of those automation systems do a HAL-9000 on them. "I can't let you reduce my power at night, Dave." Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 13:01:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95605 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 20:01:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 20:01:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.108) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 20:01:51 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n9.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2008 20:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.71] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2008 20:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2008 20:01:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 688207.18834.bm@omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 21417 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 20:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.144 with plain) by smtp126.plus.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 20:01:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tR_U3aEVM1l83WgNKA91jZEPSINUM2gg00cvumqRSoIknNlGkxzyPvU.ZubPd6IadWzwAcj0.kKgZ.MrejyflgfmgaAwL7F9xce82lxOfXTwN2OZ3qy2SAEe3ePLCqqvMQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <977686.20921.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <977686.20921.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:01:42 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=_PTsp8gn8quc3V0IzzVS3mw1HWpLof9nCjMHnhbEFMkUZJLW0g X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Jul 31, 2008, at 2:22 PM, george russell wrote: > As for XEROK, maybe somebody in TX or CH can see what the ID > claims? They are definitely running more than 50 kW. at night! I recently moved from AZ to TN. They were running 22 kW for a while and then they replaced their antenna and grounds. They say they are running 100 kW. I had no reason to doubt them. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Jul 31 13:11:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16216 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 20:11:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 20:11:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.148) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 20:11:14 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so120499qwk.18 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:11:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.214.26.4 with SMTP id 4mr6864611qaz.49.1217535074305; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.103? ( [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm459535yws.5.2008.07.31.13.11.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3752C1E2-6C4F-4EA2-ABAA-846D52F46657@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <222034.53945.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:19:40 -0400 References: <222034.53945.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=s7br6stc4GLPfui9Hl7M9-hMrP1NUXgaO4Xu2xqVJIaAy9R32-ONewF_Opd06A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jul 31, 2008, at 2:42 AM, george russell wrote: > Oh, how I miss the big Mexican border blasters...G Yes they were FUN to listen to. I used to listen to XEROK and XERF when I was a kid. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Jul 31 13:11:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78792 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 20:11:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 20:11:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 20:11:18 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so53714qwj.40 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:11:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.214.243.5 with SMTP id q5mr6867572qah.21.1217535078204; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.103? ( [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm459535yws.5.2008.07.31.13.11.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <647039.74817.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:23:25 -0400 References: <647039.74817.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=1TaMRYC6VumIZE99ta4Advfdr9Xkq4kULZU6cE-6w-gO1GyX_PYbHk-4uyc_ng X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jul 31, 2008, at 3:08 AM, george russell wrote: > I'd even like to see each nation allowed one or two super-power (500 > kW?) > channels, say 2 Cs, a W, a K, and 2 XEs, to increase intra- > continental good will...just a dream of mine! Just getting rid of Pre-Sunrise and Post Sun Set would help a lot. I would be happy to see Night signal levels return to 1970 Levels. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 14:33:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85910 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 21:33:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 21:33:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 21:33:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15772 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2008 21:33:29 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:33:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:33:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <511317.14638.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: high power X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=XJymMq91u7q2igS8njsobGycRQW9dBfsKxQyZJJPXd8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW The current conductivity maps were done in the early 50's and they are not accurate... they are higher than actuality. The real story about that is a long story. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 14:35:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88096 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2008 21:35:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2008 21:35:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2008 21:35:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29244 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2008 21:35:24 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:35:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:35:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <977686.20921.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <300867.29173.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Uh8SV-M53aKwyeZ1I4cGadmCcrzVKhb29tHAD4L_eVM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 7/31/08, george russell wrote: > From: george russell > And I have heard XERF's legal ID..."transmitedo > con cien mil watts de potencia"..."transmitting > with one hundred thousand watts of power", and that was > at 2:00 am their local time. > As for XEROK, maybe somebody in TX or CH can see what the > ID claims? They are definitely running more than 50 kW. at > night! > G So you have been there and verified it? The fact is, that that end of the band is close to being shortwave. If they are doing so they ARE in violation of the treaty. Powell From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 21:24:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33249 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 04:24:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 04:24:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 04:24:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42365 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2008 04:24:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:24:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:24:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3752C1E2-6C4F-4EA2-ABAA-846D52F46657@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <133309.42032.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=a34Xs-ou_JR-msxgq23BxgdT3WPu6rORcOD7Kr5Lc1H-DQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I used to sneak out to my dad's big RCA console and DX the AM band at night. One night he caught me listening to XEG in Monterrey, NL. I didn't understand what the man and lady DJs were saying in Spanish, but I got hooked on the music, and could tell the DJs were having fun...so I did, too. He asked what I was listening to, and I said "I don't know, but they keep mentioning icky cigars!" What I was hearing was XEG in Spanish, "ehkees eh geh", which to a little kid sounded like icky cigar. Soon enough I discovered Wolfman and the crazy "preachers" on XERF, and that is what made me want to work in radio. To this day, when I am out with my big loop antenna prowling around AM at night, my pulse still quickens, and a wave of nostalgia sweeps over me any time I hear a call sign starting with XE. I live near Detroit, so chasing XEs is a real challenge, but I never give up. Now my adopted son, who is Mexican, has gotten hooked on Tejano and Nortena music, and when I tell him how I first heard such music, he gets wide-eyed and hopes the big stations come back some day...he actually likes AM radio...My God, I am so in love with this kid!!! In 2003, I got the greatest birthday gift an XE DXer could ask for...XERF went to 100 kW. I lay in bed, and caught the sign-on as they proudly announced (en Espanol) "XERF, the powerful one! 1570 AM, transmitting with 100,000 watts of power". I got kinda choked up, hearing an old long lost friend back on my radio. For a night, I was a kid again! (My car radio has XEROK, XEG, XERF, XEW and XEB on the buttons...just in case the ionosphere ever gets in a generous mood.) Some day, if the job situation improves, the kid and I are going to ride Amtrak to Del Rio/Cd. Acuna, and see the old XERA building (what's left of it), find the fire-pit that Wolfman used to cook lavish dinners for the locals on, and hopefully get a tour of XERF. Guess it's a given that an AM radio and a Minidisc recorder will be along for the ride! George --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 1:19 PM > On Jul 31, 2008, at 2:42 AM, george russell wrote: > > > Oh, how I miss the big Mexican border blasters...G > > Yes they were FUN to listen to. I used to listen to XEROK > and XERF > when I was a kid. > > Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 31 21:27:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45474 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 04:27:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 04:27:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 04:27:20 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.c6d.2e3ed0fb (41810) for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:27:04 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} high power X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ghwcOOH9uVEQ3uVPyW4c9NBhbkDV_8zTdnRtgeNxscs4jDyWtnjDh07HpZ2Fdbgc X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KOMA in Oklahoma City had a number of verfied signal reports from Vietnam during the war, including several from Armed Forces Radio. KOMA runs 50kW near the top of AM BCB, at least what is was back then. Their array of half-wave radiators throws everything to the West. I haven't looked at the field intensity patterns in awhile, but I imagine it would be at least as much as a 100 or 150 kW non-directional station. I know daytime propagation has changed over the years. WLS has dropped off considerably in St. Louis. About 30 years ago, it had a listenable signal even during the day and was as strong as a local 5kW at night. Not any longer. I am told it is deteriorating local ground conditions at Tinsley Park which has been taken over by urban sprawl. They have a robust ground system and even the consultants don't know what to do next. I say build a new true Franklin radiator. It would be the tallest AM tower in the United States. Can you share the reason for deteriorating ground conductivity in the U.S.? Mike ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 21:37:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41430 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 04:37:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 04:37:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 04:37:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66267 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2008 04:36:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:36:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:36:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <300867.29173.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <342166.65646.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=4xHDJ6BizNbq9TWgM66J9Yxdz05PNKqDV1T_XuZrxR705w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Well, Powell, you have gotten me interested enough to write to them, or call (Help, mi espanol es no bueno!) and get a verification from the CE. As for treaty violations, given the IBOC crap that stations along the border are inflicting on many locals across the Rio Grande, I think both sides better look at what is going on...or we could see the 30's repeated all over, with flame-throwers that burn the paint off of the south wall of buildings in New York! (Think I'll buy some stock in Coahuila Edison!:-) George --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: {AMSF} XERF > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 5:35 PM > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > --- On Thu, 7/31/08, george russell > wrote: > > > From: george russell > > And I have heard XERF's legal > ID..."transmitedo > > con cien mil watts de > potencia"..."transmitting > > with one hundred thousand watts of power", and > that was > > at 2:00 am their local time. > > As for XEROK, maybe somebody in TX or CH can see what > the > > ID claims? They are definitely running more than 50 > kW. at > > night! > > G > > > So you have been there and verified it? The fact is, that > that end of the band is close to being shortwave. If they > are doing so they ARE in violation of the treaty. > > > Powell From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Aug 01 05:07:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3696 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 12:07:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 12:07:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.153) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 12:07:01 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so599606ywa.86 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:07:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.153.19 with SMTP id f19mr3125618ybo.116.1217592420862; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.113? ( [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j13sm1751526rne.4.2008.08.01.05.06.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <334651.7433.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:38:39 -0400 References: <334651.7433.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=Z7A-sH-qHLDU1TJr13-dHCpb0uhfqye0hw_0pMz81jJaVV2j7FMtVeQpgTHjpw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Jul 31, 2008, at 3:17 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > So you have actually seen that 500,000 watt transmitter operating > recently? When I was in Fort Lauderdale a couple of years ago, they put a city grade signal in there 24/7. The 710 signal covered up the local 50,000 Watter just a couple of Miles from the transmitter. Kevin From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Aug 01 06:18:22 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68774 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 13:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 13:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.101) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 13:18:22 -0000 Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 13:18:21 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 13:18:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2008 13:18:21 -0000 Date: 1 Aug 2008 13:18:20 -0000 Message-ID: <1217596700.24663.96765.w110@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. 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You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/radios/CARVER%20TX11%20A%26B/CarverTX11A_DeNSRC.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, pdmtr From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 10:50:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34792 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 17:50:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 17:50:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 17:50:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 48927 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2008 17:50:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 10:50:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:50:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <12044.47657.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=3ZCoXzszTdBcd0RRIgXQ-AEcPubincp0_0PeUBJeJZyh8w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Uh-huh, sounds like SOMETHING pretty big is cooking! G --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 7:38 PM > On Jul 31, 2008, at 3:17 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > > > So you have actually seen that 500,000 watt > transmitter operating > > recently? > > When I was in Fort Lauderdale a couple of years ago, they > put a city > grade signal in there 24/7. The 710 signal covered up the > local 50,000 > Watter just a couple of Miles from the transmitter. > > Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 11:04:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46831 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 18:04:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 18:04:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 18:04:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7859 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2008 18:04:51 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:04:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 11:04:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <265348.7838.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: water path conductivity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=7dlj0BGuz5CjVYXoQYtGbGIQAvWGdaVXIryaxJJizak X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 7:38 PM > On Jul 31, 2008, at 3:17 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > > > So you have actually seen that 500,000 watt > transmitter operating > > recently? > > When I was in Fort Lauderdale a couple of years ago, they > put a city > grade signal in there 24/7. The 710 signal covered up the > local 50,000 > Watter just a couple of Miles from the transmitter. Water path. Soil conductivity at max is 30. Sea water is 5000!!! From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Aug 01 12:50:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72692 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 19:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 19:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.178) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 19:50:27 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v33so640423wah.2 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:50:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.196.13 with SMTP id t13mr12087904waf.219.1217620226298; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.64? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm2496995yxm.0.2008.08.01.12.50.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <23630673-C8D4-4CD2-BA3D-7FD7A1C05F62@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <133309.42032.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:39:35 -0400 References: <133309.42032.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.178 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=QP29WIrdpqgi4wE4mV0YgKC6-uX2hrjdP79B1pIkP1wNegy37VVG50S3C2T8nA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 1, 2008, at 12:24 AM, george russell wrote: > Guess it's a given that an AM radio and a Minidisc recorder will be > along for the ride! When the Ionosphere Goddess is happy, XERF blasts into South Carolina like a local. WPJM makes DXing impossible on 800. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Aug 01 12:50:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52785 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 19:50:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 19:50:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.26) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 19:50:29 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so110067qwi.53 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:50:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.214.78.19 with SMTP id a19mr8211431qab.70.1217620228947; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.64? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm2496995yxm.0.2008.08.01.12.50.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:46:16 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} high power X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=6zBmBfiUV6A8Qahg6yTG5BSj1qg2YPF0dNVB3DpUU45nHuHItDzXN5vQTXoeYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 1, 2008, at 12:27 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Can you share the reason for deteriorating ground conductivity in > the U.S.? Urban Sprawl paves over the ground keeping rainwater from soaking in. Droughts have ruined the Ground Conductivity in many areas. Mining and water usage has also lowered Ground Water levels. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 13:01:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52358 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 20:01:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 20:01:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 20:01:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61026 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2008 20:01:43 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:01:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:01:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <23630673-C8D4-4CD2-BA3D-7FD7A1C05F62@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <843335.60988.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=7kEowOv3M_aJUYK5MX-HYdALAyWhiLh5ax6RlonXDcE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I have NEVER heard XERF here. 800 is a jumble down in Silverstreet. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > When the Ionosphere Goddess is happy, XERF blasts into > South Carolina > like a local. WPJM makes DXing impossible on 800. From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 13:19:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49071 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 20:19:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 20:19:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 20:19:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29110 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2008 20:19:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:19:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:19:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <23630673-C8D4-4CD2-BA3D-7FD7A1C05F62@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <509356.28775.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=nHfoDSIb2ONGkwDCFcdJKFe1vw7WDF8SvQ7pRKzkOsY50g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I envy you, Kevin! I got lucky when I caught their inauguration of the big rig, but mostly since then they are usually difficult to get up here. I understand they are no longer an IMER affiliate...do they play music again? I hear they still send birthday greetings to people on both sides of the river, even us gringos! Community service from such a big station, pretty impressive, eh? (CKLW is like that, too) George --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 12:39 PM > On Aug 1, 2008, at 12:24 AM, george russell wrote: > > > Guess it's a given that an AM radio and a Minidisc > recorder will be > > along for the ride! > > When the Ionosphere Goddess is happy, XERF blasts into > South Carolina > like a local. WPJM makes DXing impossible on 800. > > Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 13:22:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21267 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 20:22:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 20:22:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 20:22:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19118 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2008 20:22:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:22:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:22:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <843335.60988.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3690.19020.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=tshyelgMg9uzilECNT32HkjPT6GS44IbouZwEmoVAOXP1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 That's cause XERF is on 1570...800 is XEROK. If you don't have anything local on 1050, you might get XEG. G --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: {AMSF} XERF > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 4:01 PM > I have NEVER heard XERF here. 800 is a jumble down in > Silverstreet. > > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Possum Hunter > wrote: > > When the Ionosphere Goddess is happy, XERF blasts into > > South Carolina > > like a local. WPJM makes DXing impossible on 800. From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 13:24:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29284 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 20:24:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 20:24:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 20:24:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44125 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2008 20:24:38 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:24:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:24:38 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3690.19020.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <620748.41918.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=9f6kO26W4uFrS6Dn-BcKT9TMdlM3fFVYTA50c1ZxUdY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I know that. I hear Jacksonville on 1570 and Atlanta.....well it's near Atlanta..... 800 is a mess. 1050 is a mess, I have heard SS on 1050 but never ID'ed it. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 8/1/08, george russell wrote: > --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Powell E. Way III > wrote: > > > From: Powell E. Way III > > Subject: {AMSF} XERF > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 4:01 PM > > I have NEVER heard XERF here. 800 is a jumble down in > > Silverstreet. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Aug 01 18:20:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57425 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 01:20:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 01:20:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 01:20:05 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.83] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080801202001102568300012> for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:20:01 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01b801c8f43e$6da15b20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <618932.63347.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <021601c8f29c$995d2ee0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:20:01 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=xxQN8k78pRy5MjuyEEU79vN7c7HtI_WwKUzG0ZDvGSJ54-hq23FV X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The so-called investor class is anyone with a 401k or 403b, including those of rather modest means. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding The investor class has had so much greed that they have almost economically destroyed this nation. The Republican party is far the worst in causing this. The greed they show and hatred towards working people by them is palpable to those who work. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Aug 01 18:26:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28234 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 01:26:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 01:26:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 01:26:36 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.83] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080801202627101103200010> for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:26:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01bc01c8f43f$537bd300$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:26:27 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: unmuting a Chrysler Infinity radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=QgXhbcr5KMqdXyWhlm6q48nY4WgaNYHnPVE4Gg7tm90Miys0Kvs4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Went through a salvage yard looking for parts to fix up a car that I had bought for daughter #1 and while I was at it see if I could find a Chrysler Infinity radio as well so I could upgrade the radio in my Neon. I found one but when I hooked it up I didn't get any audio. Looking on the connector pinout diagram there's one in the power socket labeled MUTE. I'm wondering if that might have something to do with the no audio situation. Does that have to be grounded or possibly be pulled high? Looks like I'd have to add a wire to the Neon's connector in that position, but that shouldn't be too difficult. Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 18:33:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76611 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 01:33:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 01:33:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.125) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 01:33:36 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n15.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 01:33:36 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.72] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 01:33:36 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 01:33:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 174061.6455.bm@omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 9459 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 01:33:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.144 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 01:33:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tB4q2ZgVM1n1Vfw2dNkt6.KgcoPtUOEM2K.m_FzjWnofzKy1zxBBjQNDKmWdK.AxObNJaYatgDGHPmXARJa.aJh4NeSeVcNMSWQcqKboPdYtZYB4hYscBiQrZ0bkjLzDCw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <01b801c8f43e$6da15b20$d503fea9@stodd> References: <618932.63347.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <021601c8f29c$995d2ee0$d503fea9@stodd> <01b801c8f43e$6da15b20$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6D9CAD80-144C-4C0E-8D64-6D5348AE26E0@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 20:33:34 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=FxCLKn2AUakiMiOl1B9ug1r4arCMlugT6dNj7ttBewB4-KYqsA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 1, 2008, at 8:20 PM, wrote: > The so-called investor class is anyone with a 401k or 403b, > including those of rather modest means. I can't wait until November. All you have to say to people is "Had Enough?" and "Katrina" and "Iraq" and "Gas Prices" and "Unemployment" and "Bank Failures" and "Foreclosure". November is coming to the GOP and the signal couldn't be clearer if it was in C-QUAM, analog, HD or a 50 kW clear channel frequency. Its coming Scott. Kevin From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 21:49:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35840 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 04:49:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 04:49:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.218) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 04:49:04 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 04:49:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 04:49:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:49:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6D9CAD80-144C-4C0E-8D64-6D5348AE26E0@yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.77 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=OouaEOFstoKNZH3PpotHzz6fxFV7UFEzTS8s3J819_eFZoY8wg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > >=20 > On Aug 1, 2008, at 8:20 PM, wrote: >=20 > > The so-called investor class is anyone with a 401k or 403b,=20=20 > > including those of rather modest means. >=20 > I can't wait until November. >=20 > All you have to say to people is "Had Enough?" and "Katrina" and=20=20 > "Iraq" and "Gas Prices" and "Unemployment" and "Bank Failures"=20 and=20=20 > "Foreclosure". >=20 > November is coming to the GOP and the signal couldn't be clearer=20 if=20=20 > it was in C-QUAM, analog, HD or a 50 kW clear channel frequency. >=20 > Its coming Scott. >=20 > Kevin > What do you really mean with "it won't be C-QUAM, analog, HD or a 50=20 kW"? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 00:29:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6049 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 07:29:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 07:29:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 07:29:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 896 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2008 07:29:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:29:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:29:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6D9CAD80-144C-4C0E-8D64-6D5348AE26E0@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <10243.99779.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=iekps89vgPVCKMw6XlSKO3Joo6OP4_QJAmzo8uOpIjS7bA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Let's just hope the election isn't "bought", if you get my drift! G --- On Fri, 8/1/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 9:33 PM > On Aug 1, 2008, at 8:20 PM, > wrote: > > > The so-called investor class is anyone with a 401k or > 403b, > > including those of rather modest means. > > I can't wait until November. > > All you have to say to people is "Had Enough?" > and "Katrina" and > "Iraq" and "Gas Prices" and > "Unemployment" and "Bank Failures" and > "Foreclosure". > > November is coming to the GOP and the signal couldn't > be clearer if > it was in C-QUAM, analog, HD or a 50 kW clear channel > frequency. > > Its coming Scott. > > Kevin From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Aug 02 00:35:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34231 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 07:35:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 07:35:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.59) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 07:35:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 76682 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2008 07:35:46 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 07:35:45 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 07:35:45 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6683D3AF-6633-4ECF-B0E1-DB2EC1743D46@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <948903.70948.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=UEBKs-xxgJPoCZRZVcmb77eIW8zfl6dI30RCr10y__xog9MTm2cV X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah I hear you on that.=A0 I don't buy half of what they say on WORD but I= listen.=A0 I mainly like it because well it still has some local flair eve= n if I don't agree with everything they say.=A0 Sad if the AM's go though b= ecause I can't get that damn 106.3 worth a crap here in my location.=A0 I'm= very near town and here all of the FM's sound horrible except 98.9 and 102= .5.=A0 I've tried both indoor and outdoor antennas.=A0 I think i'm just in = one of those weird locations where stuff just for whatever reason doesn't c= ome in clearly.=A0 AM stations though I can get decently.=A0 I still haven'= t heard 1070 fire back up though.=A0 Everyone keeps saying that it's on but= i've yet to hear it.=A0 I have always been able to get 1070 when it was on= . =A0 -Kevin --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 12:33 PM On Jul 28, 2008, at 3:14 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > Simulcast. Now WORD covers the whole market on 106.3, I look for Entercom to Dump=20 or LMA out 1330 and 950 pretty soon. Like it or not, this is an FM=20 market and AMs ain't got a snowball's chance of getting in the rating=20 book anymore. Possum =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Aug 02 00:39:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12353 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 07:39:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 07:39:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.59) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 07:39:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 78490 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2008 07:39:14 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 07:39:14 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 07:39:14 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <27197.90581.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <488274.78204.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=lRJ5Txb9T4bfW5CFIiC0JgysqnrZXhfJ9M96XfjcC7h0zdLNbt6r X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You coulda fooled me with the spanish thats spoken on it.=A0 I can't unders= tand a damn word they say.=A0 English only!=A0 The US needs to establish an= official language, =A0 =A0 =A0 --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 4:39 PM as I said they aren't Mexican. Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > > i'm surprised those mexicans havent screwed up > 1440 yet. >=20 > Cheap Channel must keep them on a very short leash. >=20 > Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@optusnet.com.au Sat Aug 02 03:29:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90831 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 10:29:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 10:29:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.182) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 10:29:47 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d122-104-70-209.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [122.104.70.209]) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m72ATj6B031289 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 20:29:46 +1000 To: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 20:29:44 +1000 Message-ID: <004901c8f48a$aeff4bd0$0301010a@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <6D9CAD80-144C-4C0E-8D64-6D5348AE26E0@yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acj0RAR4O6i3pbnZQNaWmd/2lsLhfQAQ1VyA X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=5TNMv0RMV35RGk0qgpPLcr8x5VMiYr9V-gLqF3PU7c89 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: kevin redding > November is coming to the GOP and the signal couldn't be > clearer if it was in C-QUAM, analog, HD or a 50 kW > clear channel frequency. > Its coming Scott. I reckon that I can express the feelings of the rest of the world - well maybe 80% of them ... We want America to do a 180 degree turn. Bush's pathetic "war on terror" has come to nothing. If he had have been serious he would have captured Osama by now, but instead of that he chose to invade Iraq (which had nothing to do with 9/11). After all the the deaths and maimings of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis, and the disgusting things that went on at Abu Ghraib, plus the disgrace that has been created at Guantanamo Bay, not to mention the secretive practice of sedition ... Obama offers positive change. All McCain offers is "Bush Lite". Kevin spoke of the internal things. It's time for America to vote in a decent and likeable man who will change America and belatedly drag it into a peaceful and prosperous 21st century. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 04:11:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12190 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 11:11:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 11:11:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 11:11:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20523 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2008 11:11:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:11:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 04:11:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <488274.78204.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <164388.20496.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=q42YLCpQ8WmpdSLOEbmWGRuju4vWR9xm9rFBSy2Emr8N6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 The U.S. needs to establish an official language?...hmmm, how about Ojibwa,= or maybe Lakota, or perhaps Cherokee? English is no more a US language than Spanish is Mexican. (Maybe they shoul= d speak Aztek, or Myan?) There are 171 channels in the MW band, 80 more on FM...room enough for dive= rsity, don't you think? AMERICA is a CONTINENT, not a country, we are ALL Americans, and if we don'= t stop bickering over petty things like language differences, and pull toge= ther, we may all be speaking Arabic or Chinese very soon! Just something t= o mull over and maybe work up a good vitrious rebuttal to! (Come on, I KNOW you can do it!) G --- On Sat, 8/2/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 3:39 AM > You coulda fooled me with the spanish thats spoken on it.=A0 > I can't understand a damn word they say.=A0 English > only!=A0 The US needs to establish an official language, > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 > --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Powell E. Way III > wrote: >=20 > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 4:39 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > as I said they aren't Mexican. >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 > --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Possum Hunter gmail.com> wrote: >=20 > > > i'm surprised those mexicans havent screwed > up > > 1440 yet. > >=20 > > Cheap Channel must keep them on a very short leash. > >=20 > > Kevin >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 04:21:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30802 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 11:21:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 11:21:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 11:21:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 64294 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2008 11:21:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:21:48 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 04:21:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004901c8f48a$aeff4bd0$0301010a@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <567400.63773.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: RE: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=L1FeZAmd9Fl48W-Dff4tPTfgToNY44WuF5amBSHX7Obn_g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 You go, Ian! Shame you can't vote from "down under"! All of Bush's antics HAVE benefited a FEW people, like undertakers, ammo makers, and of course, Halliburton. If McCain gets in, it will be the third term of the Bush Administration. God help us Yanks! Our brave boys should be HERE, where there are terrorists plotting to destroy us from the inside out, not half a world away, trying to force a democracy onto people who don't want it, and who will promptly remove it as soon as the troops leave. Let's see...Afgahnistan, North Korea, no oil...Iraq, lots of oil... OH, O.K., I GET IT!!! G --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Ian Davidson wrote: > From: Ian Davidson > Subject: RE: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 6:29 AM > From: kevin redding > > > November is coming to the GOP and the signal > couldn't be > > clearer if it was in C-QUAM, analog, HD or a 50 kW > > clear channel frequency. > > > Its coming Scott. > > I reckon that I can express the feelings of the rest of the > world - well > maybe 80% of them ... > > We want America to do a 180 degree turn. Bush's > pathetic "war on terror" > has come to nothing. If he had have been serious he would > have captured > Osama by now, but instead of that he chose to invade Iraq > (which had nothing > to do with 9/11). > > After all the the deaths and maimings of hundreds of > thousands of innocent > Iraqis, and the disgusting things that went on at Abu > Ghraib, plus the > disgrace that has been created at Guantanamo Bay, not to > mention the > secretive practice of sedition ... Obama offers positive > change. > > All McCain offers is "Bush Lite". > > Kevin spoke of the internal things. > > It's time for America to vote in a decent and likeable > man who will change > America and belatedly drag it into a peaceful and > prosperous 21st century. > > > Ian > Melbourne > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Aug 02 04:51:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50132 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 11:51:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 11:51:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.28) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 11:51:54 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so912775ywe.55 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:51:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.83.22 with SMTP id g22mr4895513ybb.140.1217677913467; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.103? ( [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm1633647ywp.3.2008.08.02.04.51.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <265348.7838.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:16:44 -0400 References: <265348.7838.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} water path conductivity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=SxnGUSp-0HW27z61DzffCl39Dza0sMsLxeWrBJgejmLYaMph0OhAKrj6JJy_IQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 1, 2008, at 2:04 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > Water path. Soil conductivity at max is 30. Sea water is 5000!!! When you are parked and watching the tower lights of a 50,000 Watt Class A Station, and it is completely wiped out by a station on an island over 100 Miles away, that DX station has a helluva lot more power then the Local Class A, Seawater Path or not! Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Aug 02 04:51:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85865 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 11:51:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 11:51:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.28) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 11:51:55 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so699313ywh.39 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:51:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.133.17 with SMTP id g17mr4893649ybd.196.1217677915343; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.103? ( [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm1633647ywp.3.2008.08.02.04.51.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4219A168-83FA-4A2E-B139-C531C34AEB18@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <12044.47657.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 19:51:32 -0400 References: <12044.47657.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.28 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=JuafD1Io5oGLK_G6-MHn4opVOAQFjcpnIVQLtvoST3RJvwGP3sug8IL3O-JaKA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 1, 2008, at 1:50 PM, george russell wrote: > Uh-huh, sounds like SOMETHING pretty big is cooking! It looks like Cuba has several Single Frequency and Frequency Agile BIG Transmitters that can be fed with audio from any of the big Cuban networks. Many times you can hear cross-talk from one network to another, audio distortion, or a nasty hum, so the system isn't perfect. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 05:30:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9139 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 12:30:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 12:30:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 12:30:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63925 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2008 12:30:54 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.163] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:30:53 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 05:30:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <164388.20496.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <993644.62324.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=DDwd3ihbVVV2nGPqvNDYuftMmUu7K_GkGQ03MUjRQhM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Let us make it hard..... Navaho. powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 8/2/08, george russell wrote: > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 7:11 AM > The U.S. needs to establish an official language?...hmmm, > how about Ojibwa, or maybe Lakota, or perhaps Cherokee? > English is no more a US language than Spanish is Mexican. > (Maybe they should speak Aztek, or Myan?) > There are 171 channels in the MW band, 80 more on FM...room > enough for diversity, don't you think? > AMERICA is a CONTINENT, not a country, we are ALL > Americans, and if we don't stop bickering over petty > things like language differences, and pull together, we may > all be speaking Arabic or Chinese very soon! Just something > to mull over and maybe work up a good vitrious rebuttal to! > (Come on, I KNOW you can do it!) > G > > > > > --- On Sat, 8/2/08, clemsonbloke > wrote: > > > From: clemsonbloke > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On > Air > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 3:39 AM > > You coulda fooled me with the spanish thats spoken on > it. > > I can't understand a damn word they say. English > > only! The US needs to establish an official > language, > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Powell E. Way III > > wrote: > > > > From: Powell E. Way III > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On > Air > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 4:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as I said they aren't Mexican. > > > > Powell > > > > NNNN > > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > > --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Possum Hunter > > gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > i'm surprised those mexicans havent > screwed > > up > > > 1440 yet. > > > > > > Cheap Channel must keep them on a very short > leash. > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > From dav259@optusnet.com.au Sat Aug 02 05:34:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97517 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 12:34:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 12:34:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.189) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 12:34:24 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d122-104-70-209.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [122.104.70.209]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m72CYKXE013180 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 22:34:20 +1000 To: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 22:34:19 +1000 Message-ID: <007d01c8f49c$163d70e0$0301010a@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <567400.63773.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acj0kfbpbeqnTtwOSCGNPhgR1P5FCQABq4Bg X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=4ydfm_g5Kw5ugDbw-QyAi6t9x2lCi9VxvqT2dFg2gQr- X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 From: george russell > You go, Ian! Shame you can't vote from "down under"! Me-too 3XY! That's now an Aussie expression of agreement. > God help us Yanks! Yes! You individually are a wonderful lot. The trouble is that your Supreme Court eventually appointed the idiotic George in 2000 without counting all of the votes. But! Four years later ... you voted him in legitimately. Why??? > Our brave boys should be HERE, where there are terrorists plotting > to destroy us from the inside out, not half a world away, trying to > force a democracy onto people who don't want it, and who will > promptly remove it as soon as the troops leave. Yes. That's probably why Obama will pull out. But McCain might stay (as long as no Americans are killed). The international question is ... Should America continue to interfere with other countries for any seeming benefit, or should America only do so when it is right? > Let's see...Afgahnistan, North Korea, no oil...Iraq, lots of > oil... OH, O.K., I GET IT!!! G Me-Too 3XY! Ian Melbourne From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Aug 02 08:32:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69523 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 15:32:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 15:32:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao106.cox.net) (68.230.241.40) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 15:32:22 -0000 X-Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080802153220.POVX28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:32:20 -0400 X-Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id xTYM1Z00A1sYu8403TYMNL; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:32:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <004901c8f48a$aeff4bd0$0301010a@seagull> References: <004901c8f48a$aeff4bd0$0301010a@seagull> Message-Id: <5F645E32-01C0-43B1-988F-CCA2BFA8475D@cox.net> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:32:21 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.40 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=iKHYSobCYXG8mM2b7qvbEZdHFO5xDNFS9t80gM1EQvSY5KRoRZyl4qaTwnjV X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And who would this be? The guy who is the equivalent of a newscaster reading a teleprompter? All image, no substance, no plan ... but he sounds good when he talks (as long as he has a prepared speech). On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:29 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > It's time for America to vote in a decent and likeable man who will > change > America and belatedly drag it into a peaceful and prosperous 21st > century. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 09:08:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37328 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 16:08:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 16:08:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.146) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 16:08:10 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n19.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 16:08:07 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.251] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 16:08:07 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 16:08:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 490081.45064.bm@omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 56312 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 16:08:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.144 with plain) by smtp125.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 16:08:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vOtgOAMVM1n3JZo4oV2YZc4XB6ivCLUP.cVhamC4H8ot_0aXf4whDtwb_tar_QIawx0auEyscGyQwnk9f0r7luAlrd3x0srViA_9P4tuu5KJdUcQvaaTlcR475RpPeb5lQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0982BCE4-29BA-4C3F-91A9-7EDD236FCBB9@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:08:05 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=iPKCpRBj75cQU8JydVQRZlO0GXuxAOm7vHuDF40k4N7DtZu_Sw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > What do you really mean with "it won't be C-QUAM, analog, HD or a 50 > kW"? ??? A clear signal will be given with the Republicans and Bush are going to be thrown out in November. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 09:19:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81362 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 16:19:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 16:19:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.125) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 16:19:12 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n15.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 16:19:11 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.71] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 16:19:11 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 16:19:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 964397.51750.bm@omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 20182 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 16:19:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.144 with plain) by smtp128.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 16:19:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: X1bfBWEVM1lA8xSemxLgz2yWCciFQC9dVL2qZ8bubSgJtpFjK3vtxdFGxLvdDF6spNUmLehkSCIeC0LSrZwaQ1pV_k9dSLDQC3pQ2Xe43TPKG8jNW6ucFABjR0Q_Dc24Zg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <5F645E32-01C0-43B1-988F-CCA2BFA8475D@cox.net> References: <004901c8f48a$aeff4bd0$0301010a@seagull> <5F645E32-01C0-43B1-988F-CCA2BFA8475D@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:19:09 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Z9AeHmOt2s7YbLf6jxynrGRGH925eM1jKnxnepgyguktr8gJpw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > And who would this be? The guy who is the equivalent of a newscaster > reading a teleprompter? All image, no substance, no plan ... but he > sounds good when he talks (as long as he has a prepared speech). At least he can speak a coherent sentence unlike the MORON who is in the office now. Bush can't speak or especially read anything more serious than My Pet Goat. Do you want me to post some of the stupid things Bush said, he's worse than Quayle. The man who will be president is Barack Hussein Obama. He will be leading in such a flood of Democrats that all you guys in Orange County, Cal. will be crying big tears. Come to think about it, Obama -D, Barr- L, Nader -I and McKinney -G are all running and they all want us out of Iraq, a war that the fine Republicans brought for no reason. McBush wants to keep soldiers in Iraq as long as 100 years. The Iraqis want us GONE. I have had enough Republican destructive rule. I am so excited about November that I can hardly keep it in. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 09:20:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66117 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 16:20:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 16:20:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.146) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 16:20:08 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.225] by n19.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 16:20:08 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.249] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 16:20:08 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 16:20:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 419760.89361.bm@omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 83223 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 16:20:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.144 with plain) by smtp119.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 16:20:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mJ8OCnYVM1ngz8J6CiX1rR5HJR7BZ8HWPAgNnfXVSTekfWSNt.18khE1PVm1mEseMfsUlETDSD6r_vFBtuxYI4eZMWLTpNA5NYL6n6SBjIguEw5zopbZ7kucJegh22Wznw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <007d01c8f49c$163d70e0$0301010a@seagull> References: <007d01c8f49c$163d70e0$0301010a@seagull> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:20:06 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=0lEEAzweHSu5R8AuCLBhCiF52IV09Gy9VWcA1Z30dkPJ1sp-4g X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 2, 2008, at 7:34 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > But! Four years later ... you voted him in legitimately. Why??? There were voting irregularities in Ohio and other states. It was a rerun of 2000 in 2004. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Aug 02 09:27:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54462 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 16:27:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 16:27:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 16:27:53 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so703336ywk.50 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:27:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.205.13 with SMTP id c13mr5251301ybg.183.1217694472824; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.3.21? ( [65.15.246.59]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm3845573ywo.7.2008.08.02.09.27.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2FC38980-05D9-484A-9A02-74C6E348CCC7@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <843335.60988.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:40:21 -0400 References: <843335.60988.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=O8Q_ztNmlbquV1mFxCSvT61N8KOOjEo4VEzAYrPBO8SDP8VVHafozXj0s3ma0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 1, 2008, at 4:01 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > I have NEVER heard XERF here. While it did better in MO than here, XERF is no wimp here in the Upstate. > 800 is a jumble down in Silverstreet. When I was a kid, 800 was XEROK or CKLW if you nulled out the Mexican. If Trans World Radio pointed to the US, it was TWR no matter where you pointed the Loop! That ended when WPJM got Night service and upped the power. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Aug 02 09:27:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61957 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 16:27:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 16:27:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.154) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 16:27:54 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so765941ywm.20 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:27:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.108.15 with SMTP id k15mr924839ybm.53.1217694474220; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.3.21? ( [65.15.246.59]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm3845573ywo.7.2008.08.02.09.27.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <509356.28775.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:58:09 -0400 References: <509356.28775.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WRFD 880 vs WCBS 880, Friday night (25 July) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=O8Q_ztNmlbquV1mFxCSvT61N8KOOjEo4VEzAYrPBO8SDP8VVHafozXj0s3ma0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 1, 2008, at 4:19 PM, george russell wrote: > I understand they are no longer an IMER affiliate...do they play > music again? I don't listen much because I speak so little Spanish. When I finish my new Medium Wave antenna, I will give it a listen. > I hear they still send birthday greetings to people on both sides > of the river, even us gringos! Community service from such a big > station, > pretty impressive, eh? (CKLW is like that, too) Yes, american stations can learn a lesson from them. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Aug 02 09:27:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30843 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 16:27:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 16:27:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 16:27:56 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so722544ywr.28 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:27:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.84.12 with SMTP id m12mr5242690ybl.11.1217694475625; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.3.21? ( [65.15.246.59]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm3845573ywo.7.2008.08.02.09.27.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6801BDC4-1DCC-45CD-BC36-DE4832C8D75E@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3690.19020.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:00:15 -0400 References: <3690.19020.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=FZEZjCQnh5RXhvrurz3cQytWxCUPpie2ondYbnnOOeDJan2eG49G9AFfoEKVLA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 1, 2008, at 4:22 PM, george russell wrote: > If you don't have anything local on 1050, you might get XEG. The Ionosphere Goddess has to be real happy for that to happen. Possum From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Aug 02 09:28:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62076 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 16:28:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 16:28:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 16:28:03 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so837657ywr.42 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:28:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.95.15 with SMTP id s15mr5251065ybb.112.1217694482587; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.3.21? ( [65.15.246.59]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm3845573ywo.7.2008.08.02.09.28.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <436B987F-B81A-46D1-A234-07BCD082FDAB@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <948903.70948.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:55:53 -0400 References: <948903.70948.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=EN6TpJVtKeE-0P6W6AKztkE2NjUqDZeWgoQ2dNdfPNZt_6HTtULhn6grKduL9w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:35 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Yeah I hear you on that. I don't buy half of what they say on WORD > but I listen. I mainly like it because well it still has some local > flair even if I don't agree with everything they say. Yea, I HATE Talk Radio, but WORD is the ONLY station with local content in the AM or FM dial anymore. I would LOVE to see a station that was local Full Service AC or Classic Hits. > Sad if the AM's go though because I can't get that damn 106.3 > worth a crap here in my location. Yes, Piney Mountain is on your way. While the station is licensed for Simpsonville, the transmitter is at a Cell Tower in Spartanburg County. > I'm very near town and here all of the FM's sound horrible except > 98.9 and 102.5. I've tried both indoor and outdoor antennas. Yup LOTS of Multipath thanks to Paris Mountain at your location. > I have always been able to get 1070 when it was on. 1070 should make the Worms come out of the Ground at your location. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Aug 02 09:28:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44366 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 16:28:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 16:28:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.154) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 16:28:05 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so647444ywr.40 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:28:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.58.17 with SMTP id g17mr5246622yba.175.1217694485097; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:28:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.3.21? ( [65.15.246.59]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm3845573ywo.7.2008.08.02.09.28.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2626A310-4FDE-471C-8CFF-CADD053ADFAA@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <488274.78204.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:58:16 -0400 References: <488274.78204.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=WJFaQRSc4Trm6CrsVYJ_jGgrSgias6LA8aVIQrI9oChQwAezSMFG5IeCFAQDTg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:39 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > You coulda fooled me with the spanish thats spoken on it. Well, they do speak Spanish in South America. > The US needs to establish an official language, So long as you make it Cherokee. We were here a helluva long time before y'all got off the boat. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 09:53:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2963 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 16:53:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 16:53:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 16:53:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 71601 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2008 16:53:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:53:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:53:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <961002.71568.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} water path conductivity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=eZ9hKas71bBcvdHPy8pbR5l7nCNN8XV4EJWl-4cdfQLOig X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 AAAAAAAAAMEN! --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} water path conductivity > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 5:16 PM > On Aug 1, 2008, at 2:04 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > > > Water path. Soil conductivity at max is 30. Sea water > is 5000!!! > > When you are parked and watching the tower lights of a > 50,000 Watt > Class A Station, and it is completely wiped out by a > station on an > island over 100 Miles away, that DX station has a helluva > lot more > power then the Local Class A, Seawater Path or not! > > Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 10:06:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25823 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 17:06:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 17:06:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 17:06:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 83350 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2008 17:06:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:06:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:06:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <993644.62324.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <155224.83115.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=TQBpxjFiR_yvt3htMYIbjo2mjL2KFV-o6_3GJBlwrUM1Zg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Ah yes, WINDTALKERS! My apologies, there are only 161 AM channels. Your right, Navaho is a very difficult language, as opposed to Lakota (Sioux) which I actually managed to learn a bit of... "Heyoki washichu meyealo"...I'm a CRAZY white man!" Better one: the Cherokee word for "bus" is eight syllables... meaning "large metal wagon on rubber wheels that carries many people" Gotta love my Native friends! George --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 8:30 AM > Let us make it hard..... Navaho. > > > powell > > > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > --- On Sat, 8/2/08, george russell > wrote: > > > From: george russell > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On > Air > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 7:11 AM > > The U.S. needs to establish an official > language?...hmmm, > > how about Ojibwa, or maybe Lakota, or perhaps > Cherokee? > > English is no more a US language than Spanish is > Mexican. > > (Maybe they should speak Aztek, or Myan?) > > There are 171 channels in the MW band, 80 more on > FM...room > > enough for diversity, don't you think? > > AMERICA is a CONTINENT, not a country, we are ALL > > Americans, and if we don't stop bickering over > petty > > things like language differences, and pull together, > we may > > all be speaking Arabic or Chinese very soon! Just > something > > to mull over and maybe work up a good vitrious > rebuttal to! > > (Come on, I KNOW you can do it!) > > G > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 8/2/08, clemsonbloke > > wrote: > > > > > From: clemsonbloke > > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back > On > > Air > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 3:39 AM > > > You coulda fooled me with the spanish thats > spoken on > > it. > > > I can't understand a damn word they say. > English > > > only! The US needs to establish an official > > language, > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Powell E. Way III > > > wrote: > > > > > > From: Powell E. Way III > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back > On > > Air > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 4:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as I said they aren't Mexican. > > > > > > Powell > > > > > > NNNN > > > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > > > > --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Possum Hunter > > > > gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > i'm surprised those mexicans havent > > screwed > > > up > > > > 1440 yet. > > > > > > > > Cheap Channel must keep them on a very short > > leash. > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups > > Links > > > > > > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 10:08:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97071 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 17:08:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 17:08:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 17:08:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44943 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2008 17:08:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:08:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:08:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <007d01c8f49c$163d70e0$0301010a@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <579458.44411.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: RE: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=pbU3DVu3xdnSCoJH2s9-xfwTFFjwwepjUvP8xH5mt7LqQA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 And a big 3XY to you, mate! George --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Ian Davidson wrote: > From: Ian Davidson > Subject: RE: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 8:34 AM > From: george russell > > > You go, Ian! Shame you can't vote from "down > under"! > > > Me-too 3XY! That's now an Aussie expression of > agreement. > > > God help us Yanks! > > > Yes! You individually are a wonderful lot. The trouble is > that your > Supreme Court eventually appointed the idiotic George in > 2000 without > counting all of the votes. > > But! Four years later ... you voted him in legitimately. > Why??? > > > Our brave boys should be HERE, where there are > terrorists plotting > > to destroy us from the inside out, not half a world > away, trying to > > force a democracy onto people who don't want it, > and who will > > promptly remove it as soon as the troops leave. > > Yes. That's probably why Obama will pull out. But > McCain might stay (as > long as no Americans are killed). > > The international question is ... > > Should America continue to interfere with other countries > for any seeming > benefit, or should America only do so when it is right? > > > Let's see...Afgahnistan, North Korea, no > oil...Iraq, lots of > > oil... OH, O.K., I GET IT!!! G > > > Me-Too 3XY! > > > Ian > Melbourne From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 10:15:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5418 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 17:15:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 17:15:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 17:15:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 69533 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2008 17:15:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:15:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:15:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <2FC38980-05D9-484A-9A02-74C6E348CCC7@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <694944.68734.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=v3OoZqoZxU626VtQQvVsAe84dcJ2dsxK8O1BszBs1uCMTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Thanks for the memory jog, Kevin! Most magical radio moment for me...heard a Three Dog Night song playing on BOTH X-ROK and CK at the same time, just a split second apart...then at the end, the X-ROK DJ named it in Spanish, while the CK jock did so in English (or what Canadians call English...just kidding, neighbors...eh!) I can still close my eyes and hear those two awesome T-40 monsters battling it out in Mid-Michigan. (that was when X-ROK had bi-lingual DJs, alternating each set) George --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 9:40 AM > On Aug 1, 2008, at 4:01 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > > > I have NEVER heard XERF here. > > While it did better in MO than here, XERF is no wimp here > in the > Upstate. > > > 800 is a jumble down in Silverstreet. > > When I was a kid, 800 was XEROK or CKLW if you nulled out > the Mexican. > If Trans World Radio pointed to the US, it was TWR no > matter where you > pointed the Loop! That ended when WPJM got Night service > and upped the > power. > > Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 10:18:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47010 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 17:18:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 17:18:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 17:18:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 95152 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2008 17:18:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:18:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:18:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6801BDC4-1DCC-45CD-BC36-DE4832C8D75E@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <958223.94411.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=zKuhHEdK42MlupnbRXWyWCs0re_qDGadXnAJWlnhEZZLhg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 What sacrifice do I offer up to this goddess, anyway? A big tube, a golden transistor? Maybe a l-o-n-g beverage antenna! :-) G --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 10:00 AM > On Aug 1, 2008, at 4:22 PM, george russell wrote: > > > If you don't have anything local on 1050, you > might get XEG. > > The Ionosphere Goddess has to be real happy for that to > happen. > > Possum From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 10:19:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69658 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 17:19:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 17:19:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 17:19:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 67964 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2008 17:19:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:19:53 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:19:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <2626A310-4FDE-471C-8CFF-CADD053ADFAA@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <80253.67882.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=8sc-Uvj_lDFbw1MndnTy3wm6_PnpUJRzkttaNtD6DwZ0fw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 You're Cherokee? Then you are more American than I am...I salute you! --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 10:58 AM > On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:39 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > > > You coulda fooled me with the spanish thats spoken on > it. > > Well, they do speak Spanish in South America. > > > The US needs to establish an official language, > > So long as you make it Cherokee. We were here a helluva > long time > before y'all got off the boat. > > Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 10:22:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49351 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 17:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 17:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 17:22:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27830 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2008 17:22:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:22:31 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:22:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <749675.27758.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=XzKbKk0fpILQjqWRfROneaaR4MgvLHuvPuSsq3h8_OvJog X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 May I ad one word to that, Kevin? NUKE-YOU-LER! G --- On Sat, 8/2/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 12:19 PM > > And who would this be? The guy who is the equivalent of > a newscaster > > reading a teleprompter? All image, no substance, no > plan ... but he > > sounds good when he talks (as long as he has a > prepared speech). > > At least he can speak a coherent sentence unlike the MORON > who is in > the office now. Bush can't speak or especially read > anything more > serious than My Pet Goat. Do you want me to post some of > the stupid > things Bush said, he's worse than Quayle. > > The man who will be president is Barack Hussein Obama. He > will be > leading in such a flood of Democrats that all you guys in > Orange > County, Cal. will be crying big tears. > > Come to think about it, Obama -D, Barr- L, Nader -I and > McKinney -G > are all running and they all want us out of Iraq, a war > that the fine > Republicans brought for no reason. McBush wants to keep > soldiers in > Iraq as long as 100 years. The Iraqis want us GONE. > > I have had enough Republican destructive rule. I am so > excited about > November that I can hardly keep it in. > > Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 10:26:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13621 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 17:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 17:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 17:26:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1337 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2008 17:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:26:58 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:26:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <324154.98875.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=oJ_CzMhzXaCBG6HsbVwo_bEKkg2iCaMF3TaBTEd5lYxmmg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 BINGO! Ohio, my home state, turned my stomach with that crap that went on, buying only certain models of voting machines, that just by coincidence I am sure (not!), could very easily be hacked into...by certain parties that had the code. I'll be a gentleman (if a hillbilly can) and not mention WHO had that code in hand! I am not proud that my first vote ever cast was for Jerry Springer as mayor of Cincinnati, but after THAT crap, I can again be seen in public down there un-embarrassed! George --- On Sat, 8/2/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 12:20 PM > On Aug 2, 2008, at 7:34 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > > > But! Four years later ... you voted him in > legitimately. Why??? > > > There were voting irregularities in Ohio and other states. > It was a > rerun of 2000 in 2004. > > Kevin From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Aug 02 11:25:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67604 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 18:25:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 18:25:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao102.cox.net) (68.230.241.44) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 18:25:03 -0000 X-Received: from fed1rmimpo03.cox.net ([70.169.32.75]) by fed1rmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080802182503.DGEB6684.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:25:03 -0400 X-Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id xWR21Z0031sYu8404WR2c8; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:25:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <004901c8f48a$aeff4bd0$0301010a@seagull> <5F645E32-01C0-43B1-988F-CCA2BFA8475D@cox.net> Message-Id: <11E36844-13DA-4EB3-92C9-C1B9954A4AFA@cox.net> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:25:00 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=DJPSrDqF3X0T0tBl1-B0h_6kX-qDjw8jYXKoRA6KyfPT37IwTpBf0RVDjQgL X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Be careful what you wish for. California is so screwed up financially we may never recover, and it is all due to the one party in control. Interesting response you gave, since Bush isn't running against Obama. At the same time, this is not the place for such discussions, so I will not partake any more in this thread. You may blast me with no response. On Aug 2, 2008, at 9:19 AM, kevin redding wrote: > > And who would this be? The guy who is the equivalent of a newscaster > > reading a teleprompter? All image, no substance, no plan ... but he > > sounds good when he talks (as long as he has a prepared speech). > > At least he can speak a coherent sentence unlike the MORON who is in > the office now. Bush can't speak or especially read anything more > serious than My Pet Goat. Do you want me to post some of the stupid > things Bush said, he's worse than Quayle. > > The man who will be president is Barack Hussein Obama. He will be > leading in such a flood of Democrats that all you guys in Orange > County, Cal. will be crying big tears. > > Come to think about it, Obama -D, Barr- L, Nader -I and McKinney -G > are all running and they all want us out of Iraq, a war that the fine > Republicans brought for no reason. McBush wants to keep soldiers in > Iraq as long as 100 years. The Iraqis want us GONE. > > I have had enough Republican destructive rule. I am so excited about > November that I can hardly keep it in. > > Kevin > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 11:49:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47684 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 18:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 18:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 18:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 18:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.247] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 18:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 18:49:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 553644.70513.bm@omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 68887 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 18:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.144 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 18:49:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mVJdybEVM1m0hsxY2VW3m94MlbBIuF3qPyz3KC0lKKjL5.io8thfOXC1NnmYRgmZ7kX75sOHS5ov7Jxmnt7Ps0brU1wuv7XqepF5n5vZ3Ea.n.xEG.K9jUuMBKI6BRtFYA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <11E36844-13DA-4EB3-92C9-C1B9954A4AFA@cox.net> References: <004901c8f48a$aeff4bd0$0301010a@seagull> <5F645E32-01C0-43B1-988F-CCA2BFA8475D@cox.net> <11E36844-13DA-4EB3-92C9-C1B9954A4AFA@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0351EC6D-39F8-41FD-B363-A33EFF230736@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:49:20 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=sbjkC2C_bHQPGIoKt8npuPIQ89IfcBlWMiw7X8l-U_CApAB59Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Be careful what you wish for. California is so screwed up financially > we may never recover, and it is all due to the one party in control. Your governor is a REPUBLICAN. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Aug 02 11:53:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60358 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 18:53:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 18:53:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.155) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 18:53:00 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so2045228ywa.84 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:52:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.137.8 with SMTP id k8mr5440074ybd.87.1217703179150; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.64? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm4779581yxl.9.2008.08.02.11.52.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <0BD49FE9-7F4F-49DB-A3DF-94233CD8EE48@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <958223.94411.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:27:31 -0400 References: <958223.94411.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.155 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=Fgu0AngHuVICLDmvRvOiuXteCuRxuzqH8TYbpeFA8WlDc_-1PkGsGWfs9lLTug X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:18 PM, george russell wrote: > What sacrifice do I offer up to this goddess, anyway? A big tube, a > golden transistor? Maybe a l-o-n-g beverage antenna! :-) G I offer her a Kenwood R-1000 and a 5 foot Square Air Core Loop. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Aug 02 11:53:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58654 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 18:53:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 18:53:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.30) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 18:53:01 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so777950ywe.59 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:53:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.92.6 with SMTP id p6mr5436674ybb.243.1217703180877; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.64? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm4779581yxl.9.2008.08.02.11.52.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <878D555C-4623-4BE7-9CF7-AAC2D1F973F2@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <694944.68734.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:13:14 -0400 References: <694944.68734.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=79eNwKgmOMAKk8aGIfxNqggxKmbNrX5YZuUuFu1uHo98UhNlDF7o8LEEjt5UpA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:15 PM, george russell wrote: > Thanks for the memory jog, Kevin! Yea, wasn't X-ROK 80 "The Sun City Rocker" the kewlest thing on the dial :-) By the time I came around (Born in 1968), XERF had so many technical problems, it was hit or miss if it was on at all. Often it would drop out right in the middle of a song or paid "preacher". Remember when they were selling Mail order Chicks? LOL Kevin From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Aug 02 12:04:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11406 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 19:04:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 19:04:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.244) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 19:04:00 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c14so246792anc.1 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:03:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.5.13 with SMTP id 13mr18231779ane.65.1217703839661; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:03:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.142.18 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 12:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80808021203h316ded9fw9f6f262635f203d8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:03:59 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=hgJjnBsJZ0AXEmXIayc4ZQ3fQ44lKmvrlLksYdiVQthcItuvjnHFCpt2 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wasn't 106.3 Oldies/Classic Hits at one time? The only way WOLT 103.9 makes any money is because they broker it out, all of it. It doesnt seem like Oldies/Classic Hits would work very well in the market. Paul Posted by: "Possum Hunter" thepossumhunter@gmail.com I CURAPossum_Hunter2 Sat Aug 2, 2008 9:28 am (PDT) On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:35 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Yeah I hear you on that. I don't buy half of what they say on WORD > but I listen. I mainly like it because well it still has some local > flair even if I don't agree with everything they say. Yea, I HATE Talk Radio, but WORD is the ONLY station with local content in the AM or FM dial anymore. I would LOVE to see a station that was local Full Service AC or Classic Hits. > Sad if the AM's go though because I can't get that damn 106.3 > worth a crap here in my location. Yes, Piney Mountain is on your way. While the station is licensed for Simpsonville, the transmitter is at a Cell Tower in Spartanburg County. > I'm very near town and here all of the FM's sound horrible except > 98.9 and 102.5. I've tried both indoor and outdoor antennas. Yup LOTS of Multipath thanks to Paris Mountain at your location. > I have always been able to get 1070 when it was on. 1070 should make the Worms come out of the Ground at your location. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Sat Aug 02 12:08:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92600 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 19:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 19:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao105.cox.net) (68.230.241.41) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 19:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080802190816.GNUX774.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:08:16 -0400 X-Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id xX8G1Z0021sYu8404X8GTL; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:08:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <0351EC6D-39F8-41FD-B363-A33EFF230736@yahoo.com> References: <004901c8f48a$aeff4bd0$0301010a@seagull> <5F645E32-01C0-43B1-988F-CCA2BFA8475D@cox.net> <11E36844-13DA-4EB3-92C9-C1B9954A4AFA@cox.net> <0351EC6D-39F8-41FD-B363-A33EFF230736@yahoo.com> Message-Id: <2F29CFC6-7D81-4714-9E40-ADB46F826DDB@cox.net> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 12:08:14 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=ziIQJlf_YSY98kjesKjBX_CnF5WObH-byLi6rb2IeIEQPHMzE5n92KBA9FLE X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I said I wouldn't respond any more, but this one does need clarifying: he says he is Republican, but his actions are all Democrat. But as you know, budgets are made by the legislators, and Ca has had a Democrat legislature since time began. On Aug 2, 2008, at 11:49 AM, kevin redding wrote: > > Be careful what you wish for. California is so screwed up > financially > > we may never recover, and it is all due to the one party in control. > > Your governor is a REPUBLICAN. > > Kevin > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Aug 02 12:29:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64585 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 19:29:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 19:29:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.29) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 19:29:06 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so666289ywt.45 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:29:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.143.3 with SMTP id v3mr5483368ybn.229.1217705345524; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.64? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm4838049yxl.9.2008.08.02.12.29.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <150A3D81-4EDF-4255-AC88-6A1FD4F6490C@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80808021203h316ded9fw9f6f262635f203d8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:28:51 -0400 References: <8bce0fe80808021203h316ded9fw9f6f262635f203d8@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=VKkZK1bmqGEMAUpxsleJxO0dG3Yo921SSMeZsdjOhFb9Wsin4m8AnCCd5z7fRw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > Wasn't 106.3 Oldies/Classic Hits at one time? When Barnstable owned it. Oldies 106.3 was awful. Other than the first half of Morning Drive it was Voice tracked and the automation was ALWAYS screwed up. Still, it got better numbers than it did in any format Entercom has put on it. > The only way WOLT 103.9 makes any money is because they broker it > out, all of it. Yup, WOLT sucks. > It doesnt seem like Oldies/Classic Hits would work very well in the > market. WMYI pulls a 6.8 with a Classic Hits format and WROQ pulls a 4.8 with Classic Rock. That isn't too shabby. Kevin From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Aug 02 12:35:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7648 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 19:35:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 19:35:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 19:35:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18008 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2008 19:35:50 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:35:50 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 19:35:50 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <164388.20496.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <861081.17763.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=5rOCMkC-84Wy_ZL_6FeOHwMMiYiqx2hMIR8QQ_eXTwkle_t1YM9H X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well sir English has been the de facto standard in the US since the get go = if you didn't know.=A0 It's just never been made official.=A0 The majority = of Americans speak it so therefore majority rules in a situation as this. =A0 --- On Sat, 8/2/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 7:11 AM The U.S. needs to establish an official language?... hmmm, how about Ojibwa= , or maybe Lakota, or perhaps Cherokee? English is no more a US language than Spanish is Mexican. (Maybe they shoul= d speak Aztek, or Myan?) There are 171 channels in the MW band, 80 more on FM...room enough for dive= rsity, don't you think? AMERICA is a CONTINENT, not a country, we are ALL Americans, and if we don'= t stop bickering over petty things like language differences, and pull toge= ther, we may all be speaking Arabic or Chinese very soon! Just something to= mull over and maybe work up a good vitrious rebuttal to! (Come on, I KNOW you can do it!) G --- On Sat, 8/2/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 3:39 AM > You coulda fooled me with the spanish thats spoken on it.=A0 > I can't understand a damn word they say.=A0 English > only!=A0 The US needs to establish an official language, > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 > --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Powell E. Way III > wrote: >=20 > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 4:39 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > as I said they aren't Mexican. >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 > --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Possum Hunter gmail.com> wrote: >=20 > > > i'm surprised those mexicans havent screwed > up > > 1440 yet. > >=20 > > Cheap Channel must keep them on a very short leash. > >=20 > > Kevin >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 12:43:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25428 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 19:43:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 19:43:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n64.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.189) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 19:43:21 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n64.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 19:43:21 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 19:43:21 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.249] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 19:43:21 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 19:43:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 84792.66892.bm@omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 43918 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 19:43:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.144 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 19:43:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4tq37S8VM1kWM8GCdVQeLKbeY7AsLqs7hyFsY53pJKvLV9fq6LsXFf_XyS3CmjykvmuJkVacrwssGSM9yKI9xt5Bc2DbrraK6wsaFzLrfCpxoW69Vmvmtv5Crvon1w9xUg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <0BD49FE9-7F4F-49DB-A3DF-94233CD8EE48@gmail.com> References: <958223.94411.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0BD49FE9-7F4F-49DB-A3DF-94233CD8EE48@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <02F622B3-DB19-46B5-8406-C59C7ECB8E16@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:43:19 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Xj9PtPv97DHtO5Nvd2EylXcjfndWZ2_KhwSOdxio71oGNV6uDA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I offer her a Kenwood R-1000 and a 5 foot Square Air Core Loop. I have one of those but I bet it really sings with a big loop like that! Kevin From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Aug 02 12:44:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62114 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 19:44:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 19:44:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 19:44:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7597 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2008 19:44:15 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:44:14 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 19:44:14 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <436B987F-B81A-46D1-A234-07BCD082FDAB@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <288900.7293.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=NqcheBRHRKaWJWzx93A1zwaDetQXhriZ8luciB-55TLbJqp-VCF9 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ha the worms!=A0 Yeah it usually does when it's on.=A0 In fact last year Bi= ll had that thing sounding quite good with the jones oldies playing.=A0 I h= ad heard that Tama cut the power for a while and apparently that was true c= ause there were no night beacons running on the towers.=A0 Do those beacons= not still need to be run even if the station isn't in operation?=A0 I thou= ght they were there by law for aircraft to spot?=A0 I know those towers are= n't incredibly tall but it would seem that if they are supposed to have the= m that they should be on.=A0 Perhaps those were added but not required due = to height.=A0 I know that you don't have to have the beacons except past a = certain heigth.=A0 I just wondered about that.=A0 They've been back on now = for a while.=A0 Anyway yes I get a great signal on 1070 when they are on.= =A0 I do wish the FM side was better but yes multipath eats things up over = here.=A0 As far as WORD yes i'm with you in that I don't agree with everyth= ing they say but it's just good to have someone local.=A0 There have been times suc= h as that winter a few years ago when the power was off for 8 days.=A0 I co= uld still turn on my battery powered radios and get WORD, they had power an= d was keeping people up to date with what was going on.=A0 THAT my friends = is real radio, local and on the spot!=A0 I wish more were like that but sad= ly they aren't.=A0 The only real ones I know of that are like that are WORD= , WKDK, and WNMB.=A0 When I was at the beach back in June it was like radio= zen listening to WNMB.=A0 It felt like radio felt when I was a kid, like t= hey were just next door neighbours.=A0 Wish those days were still here! =A0 -Kevin --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 10:55 AM On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:35 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Yeah I hear you on that. I don't buy half of what they say on WORD=20 > but I listen. I mainly like it because well it still has some local=20 > flair even if I don't agree with everything they say. Yea, I HATE Talk Radio, but WORD is the ONLY station with local=20 content in the AM or FM dial anymore. I would LOVE to see a station=20 that was local Full Service AC or Classic Hits. > Sad if the AM's go though because I can't get that damn 106.3=20 > worth a crap here in my location. Yes, Piney Mountain is on your way. While the station is licensed for=20 Simpsonville, the transmitter is at a Cell Tower in Spartanburg County. > I'm very near town and here all of the FM's sound horrible except=20 > 98.9 and 102.5. I've tried both indoor and outdoor antennas. Yup LOTS of Multipath thanks to Paris Mountain at your location. > I have always been able to get 1070 when it was on. 1070 should make the Worms come out of the Ground at your location. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Aug 02 12:45:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54945 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 19:45:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 19:45:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 19:45:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 59969 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2008 19:45:41 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:45:41 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 19:45:41 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <80253.67882.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <709019.58792.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=1A-3W2z8EDy-BujJ9jCWyGljHV7AoSg6GVAf7V_4UZ61z53AlZTx X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But the Cherokee Indians speak english as well. =A0 --- On Sat, 8/2/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 1:19 PM You're Cherokee? Then you are more American than I am...I salute you! --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 10:58 AM > On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:39 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: >=20 > > You coulda fooled me with the spanish thats spoken on > it. >=20 > Well, they do speak Spanish in South America. >=20 > > The US needs to establish an official language, >=20 > So long as you make it Cherokee. We were here a helluva > long time=20 > before y'all got off the boat. >=20 > Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Aug 02 12:51:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74276 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 19:51:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 19:51:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 19:51:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11824 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2008 19:51:13 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:51:12 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 19:51:12 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80808021203h316ded9fw9f6f262635f203d8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <101505.11621.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=5H6l8qPYfgTtlXasO7aigxFMe3DJ2H5XDhK3RVgjza4qzHcrmrNf X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul, =A0 Yeah it was oldies at one time.=A0 It was about ten years ago now if memory= serves.=A0 The one thing that used to piss me off about that station was c= ertain songs.=A0 Ok say Bernadette by the Four Tops.=A0 You know near the e= nd where they are singing and go into that "ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...."=A0 then t= he guy comes back in with "BERNADETTE!"=A0 ?=A0 Well oldies 106 used to let= it go "ahhhhhhhhhh"=A0 then you'd hear "oldies 106!" and theyd cut the dam= n song off.=A0 Man that used to drive me nuts cause Oldies 93.7 never did t= hat when they were oldies.=A0 Oldies 106 did that on more than one song too= , used to drive me nuts.=A0 But yes you are correct that they were oldies.= =A0 They were around I think maybe 2-3 years if memory serves then they fli= pped.=A0 Much better signal though than 103.3.=A0 Back when 106.3 was oldie= s I could get the signal clear but for some reason I can't nowadays and it'= s just static over here near town.=A0 I've tried both indoor and outdoor an= tennas and nothing really works well in my location.=A0=20 =A0 Kevin =A0 --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrot= e: From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. Subject: {AMSF} Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 3:03 PM Wasn't 106.3 Oldies/Classic Hits at one time? The only way WOLT 103.9 makes any money is because they broker it out, all of it. It doesnt seem like Oldies/Classic Hits would work very well in the market. Paul Posted by: "Possum Hunter" thepossumhunter@ gmail.com I CURAPossum_Hunter2 Sat Aug 2, 2008 9:28 am (PDT) On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:35 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Yeah I hear you on that. I don't buy half of what they say on WORD > but I listen. I mainly like it because well it still has some local > flair even if I don't agree with everything they say. Yea, I HATE Talk Radio, but WORD is the ONLY station with local content in the AM or FM dial anymore. I would LOVE to see a station that was local Full Service AC or Classic Hits. > Sad if the AM's go though because I can't get that damn 106.3 > worth a crap here in my location. Yes, Piney Mountain is on your way. While the station is licensed for Simpsonville, the transmitter is at a Cell Tower in Spartanburg County. > I'm very near town and here all of the FM's sound horrible except > 98.9 and 102.5. I've tried both indoor and outdoor antennas. Yup LOTS of Multipath thanks to Paris Mountain at your location. > I have always been able to get 1070 when it was on. 1070 should make the Worms come out of the Ground at your location. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Aug 02 12:51:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23810 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 19:51:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 19:51:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.30) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 19:51:58 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so1024053ywe.71 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:51:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.111.15 with SMTP id o15mr5513091ybm.7.1217706718347; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.64? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm3067365ywp.3.2008.08.02.12.51.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4A81DC8E-BD66-48DD-A351-A82EDE6E3A86@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <02F622B3-DB19-46B5-8406-C59C7ECB8E16@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:51:52 -0400 References: <958223.94411.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0BD49FE9-7F4F-49DB-A3DF-94233CD8EE48@gmail.com> <02F622B3-DB19-46B5-8406-C59C7ECB8E16@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=7H-px1w22nJhAOSTwvj2yupaFyqkF4lOMl5b3OII0cSN6osj2wNJXT-br4mSgA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:43 PM, kevin redding wrote: > I have one of those but I bet it really sings with a big loop like > that! It is an RF Vacuum Cleaner! Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Aug 02 13:01:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20858 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 20:01:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 20:01:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.29) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 20:01:41 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so2439680ywh.51 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:01:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.154.12 with SMTP id g12mr5519153ybo.38.1217707300836; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.64? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm4905533yxg.6.2008.08.02.13.01.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <214342A8-096B-421F-A09B-73465E74E79C@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <288900.7293.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 16:01:31 -0400 References: <288900.7293.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=J0Iqdetlc0shLtapRMSNyVV3DjrrnNviwLUGabUp7Uwl8R3j_7K5kDR74FI67Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:44 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Do those beacons not still need to be run even if the station isn't > in operation? Yes, the tower lights MUST be on, or the towers dropped by law. > When I was at the beach back in June it was like radio zen listening > to WNMB. It felt like radio felt when I was a kid, like they were > just next door neighbours. Wish those days were still here! When I was in Fort Lauderdale, a PIrate was like that. Lynks-FM was Live N Local Reggae 24/7 with lots of remotes and local info. It sounded MUCH better than any of the legal stations in the market! LOL Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Aug 02 13:04:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98503 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 20:04:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 20:04:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.29) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 20:04:52 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so1008816ywe.55 for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:04:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.151.20 with SMTP id y20mr5520067ybd.78.1217707492003; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.64? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm4864457yxl.9.2008.08.02.13.04.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9FE2EF15-8038-4F04-B939-3488A7ED9310@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <101505.11621.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 16:04:48 -0400 References: <101505.11621.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=ei3qx0R4aKoY1SziZpLsQnK9Q4WSHZhwYYXATetqHSzfg7JKaG0NTJX7ONxpWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:51 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Man that used to drive me nuts cause Oldies 93.7 never did that when > they were oldies The best Oldies done in this market was "Oldies 1330 WFBC" when Bill Love was running the place. Kevin From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Aug 02 13:31:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60306 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 20:31:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 20:31:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 20:31:03 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.15] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080802153032100671100010> for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:30:32 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003c01c8f4df$28dcc320$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <10243.99779.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:30:32 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Hillary- was Re: {AMSF} November is coming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=YTy0zzehPYQ0N7n5p5I_b2YPOiC5fB9l8tv_JyIuoC_JQDi_5cOC X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm betting on one of the following- if Hillary isn't chosen as VP she'll drop a bombshell at the Democrat convention with some evidence that disqualifies Obama from being President. If she is selected to be his VP, she waits til just before inauguration day. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Let's just hope the election isn't "bought", if you get my drift! G --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Aug 02 13:46:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23795 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 20:45:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 20:45:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 20:45:59 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.15] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080802154538102558200010> for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:45:38 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00fb01c8f4e1$44b6aaa0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <749675.27758.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:45:38 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=4rnaDOV5cTbG8VEpMEcSjcOZ5CgNTT9mtTy7Py4ZEw-K42n8WgpL X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've heard more than a few Democrats say it that way too. Carter, IIRC. You think Bush says some stupid things, how about when Obama said he's been to all 57 states? He goofs up in all kinds of ways but you NEVER hear about it anywhere aside from talk radio. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com May I ad one word to that, Kevin? NUKE-YOU-LER! G --- On Sat, 8/2/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 12:19 PM > > And who would this be? The guy who is the equivalent of > a newscaster > > reading a teleprompter? All image, no substance, no > plan ... but he > > sounds good when he talks (as long as he has a > prepared speech). > > At least he can speak a coherent sentence unlike the MORON > who is in > the office now. Bush can't speak or especially read > anything more > serious than My Pet Goat. Do you want me to post some of > the stupid > things Bush said, he's worse than Quayle. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Aug 02 13:51:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50844 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 20:51:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 20:51:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 20:51:25 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.15] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080802155120100318400010> for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:51:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <010f01c8f4e2$10a38fc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <004901c8f48a$aeff4bd0$0301010a@seagull> <5F645E32-01C0-43B1-988F-CCA2BFA8475D@cox.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:51:20 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Q0KbD_QEK1MWlEMFzxknrmFfFOX846wdvKR7Gx5kDkOE3unMkvIE X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That many, eh? Sounds like it could end up splitting the vote giving the election to McCain. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Come to think about it, Obama -D, Barr- L, Nader -I and McKinney -G are all running and they all want us out of Iraq, a war that the fine Republicans brought for no reason. McBush wants to keep soldiers in Iraq as long as 100 years. The Iraqis want us GONE. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Aug 02 13:54:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10305 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 20:54:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 20:54:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 20:54:42 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.15] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080802155427100699300010> for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:54:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <012801c8f4e2$802d5560$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <004901c8f48a$aeff4bd0$0301010a@seagull> <5F645E32-01C0-43B1-988F-CCA2BFA8475D@cox.net> <11E36844-13DA-4EB3-92C9-C1B9954A4AFA@cox.net> <0351EC6D-39F8-41FD-B363-A33EFF230736@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:54:27 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=kHrVeiXCVKgGuqQTLDs0u2JcYjHKoWvfEqWDT9xc_PyQTCecXkjx X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Like he has ALL the control? Governors and Presidents don't make laws- that's the legislature's job and in CA both houses have been controlled by Democrats for years. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Be careful what you wish for. California is so screwed up financially > we may never recover, and it is all due to the one party in control. Your governor is a REPUBLICAN. Kevin --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Aug 02 14:01:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82654 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 21:01:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 21:01:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 21:01:35 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.15] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080802160119101381800010> for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:01:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <015501c8f4e3$75d05440$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <164388.20496.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:01:19 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ajgFH18Inqf7BkhT4PB1sG_XvwDQiIqgNqcL08fpRjzKkNtEEnoa X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll agree with you partially that there certainly is enough room for a diversity of ethnic programming. That said, however, we still need a common language. If someone is having a medical emergency but they only speak Hmong, Vietnamese, Somali, or what have you, how can I help them out? Or if one of my kids is working at a fast food place and someone comes in not speaking English, how can they give them the food they want? (Usually it's the other way around- some non-English speaker botches the order of someone like me who doesn't speak 22 languages fluently.) Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell The U.S. needs to establish an official language?...hmmm, how about Ojibwa, or maybe Lakota, or perhaps Cherokee? English is no more a US language than Spanish is Mexican. (Maybe they should speak Aztek, or Myan?) There are 171 channels in the MW band, 80 more on FM...room enough for diversity, don't you think? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Aug 02 14:07:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9452 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 21:07:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 21:07:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 21:07:47 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.15] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080802160744102171400010> for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:07:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <018701c8f4e4$5b787180$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <288900.7293.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:07:44 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=YShXMNeH2O64VJyGlN0SwjVSzxGBQymjOVYpkUSsroPKGxAZZTrg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They were absolutely in violation of FAA rules by doing that unless they notified them of the outage. Even a 1/4 wave at 1070 will still be tall enough to require lighting. IIRC it's between 1250 and 1300 where towers are short enough (assuming 1/4 wave) not to require lighting unless they're close to an airport. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I had heard that Tama cut the power for a while and apparently that was true cause there were no night beacons running on the towers. Do those beacons not still need to be run even if the station isn't in operation? I thought they were there by law for aircraft to spot? I know those towers aren't incredibly tall but it would seem that if they are supposed to have them that they should be on. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Aug 02 14:33:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78473 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 21:33:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 21:33:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 21:33:48 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.15] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080802162509100788700010> for ; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:25:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01af01c8f4e6$c9db3160$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <618932.63347.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <021601c8f29c$995d2ee0$d503fea9@stodd> <01b801c8f43e$6da15b20$d503fea9@stodd> <6D9CAD80-144C-4C0E-8D64-6D5348AE26E0@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:25:09 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=BTfggmu5sayPnOHc3P5nH1ksOFY8nGx4xOXKq_qDd-MHwbOt9Tw4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Dems ran in 2006 on lowering gas prices, but they never passed any meaningful legislation to do so and are still blocking legislation that would allow us to drill our own oil. And the Republicans deserve the blame because? The foreclosure problem was Democrats insisting it was racist to red line certain neighborhoods, and they forced the banks via legislation to lend to those who weren't qualified to have such loans in the first place. But because W is President it's all the Republicans' fault? The bank failures are partly the result of the bad loans. Unemployment is still in the single digits, but then you're going to tell me we're nearing the Great Depression standards since so many have quit looking for work and those people aren't counted. Katrina- then governor Blanco (D) was warned well enough in advance to prepare the state for the catastrophe. New Orleans mayor Nagin failed to use dozens of school buses to evacuate people and they ended up getting ruined by flood waters instead. Mississippi had worse destruction than Louisiana, but you seldom heard about their plight. Their Republican governor led the way and rebuilt the damaged areas while the Democrats across the state line caterwauled about how Bush hadn't done anything for them, and an all too willing media carried their cries nationwide. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com On Aug 1, 2008, at 8:20 PM, wrote: > The so-called investor class is anyone with a 401k or 403b, > including those of rather modest means. I can't wait until November. All you have to say to people is "Had Enough?" and "Katrina" and "Iraq" and "Gas Prices" and "Unemployment" and "Bank Failures" and "Foreclosure". --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 16:21:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40852 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 23:21:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 23:21:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.220) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 23:21:12 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 23:21:07 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.242] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 23:21:12 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp403.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 23:21:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 557345.53921.bm@omp403.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 84982 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 23:21:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.144 with plain) by smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 23:21:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9fXuA.oVM1lO6fcKEm1OHgcX3WkKzI4O8K7Tqq_M_bC_Y_.d9WVK7Fopswxc2AipDZZ4y5rzDPhMAY7S877m1f2wEYDo4nxePYR_QkXk_1uqv_uYGnqntztG37t9FQ1EUw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <010f01c8f4e2$10a38fc0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <004901c8f48a$aeff4bd0$0301010a@seagull> <5F645E32-01C0-43B1-988F-CCA2BFA8475D@cox.net> <010f01c8f4e2$10a38fc0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6D61EB2D-3F07-4148-954E-D27AACF93918@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 18:21:10 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Ll0F1QUp9SqVHzQk3k0ph-nNAiOqocqIoJkx_7qjvRt1LIRPnw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:51 PM, wrote: > That many, eh? Sounds like it could end up splitting the vote > giving the election to McCain. Tell us what happens after the first Tuesday in November, ok? Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 16:22:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60564 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 23:22:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2008 23:22:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.48) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 23:22:07 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 23:22:07 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.246] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 23:22:07 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2008 23:22:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 112103.8799.bm@omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 87461 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 23:22:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.144 with plain) by smtp119.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 23:22:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: sWy0W4QVM1nuU2Qd2.EdZQx6UeHvwVDYme9JfWE.ElHTFIf594qleWStyzGtZuAE5Dw8zz5HNAAKXA8ZhHUzqM7hkpXJHmEamzgH6Qxp X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <012801c8f4e2$802d5560$d503fea9@stodd> References: <004901c8f48a$aeff4bd0$0301010a@seagull> <5F645E32-01C0-43B1-988F-CCA2BFA8475D@cox.net> <11E36844-13DA-4EB3-92C9-C1B9954A4AFA@cox.net> <0351EC6D-39F8-41FD-B363-A33EFF230736@yahoo.com> <012801c8f4e2$802d5560$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 18:22:05 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=LPj92qKNewpeZ5wlM0zTiTiJWmIYKCPtm9AwMM9VRbIawXYh8A X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:54 PM, wrote: > Governors and Presidents don't make laws Yeah but they sign them into law or veto them. They have plenty of power in the statehouses. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 17:18:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36325 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 00:18:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 00:18:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.48) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 00:18:22 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 00:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.68] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 00:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 00:18:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 798435.1588.bm@omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 94774 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 00:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.144 with plain) by smtp124.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 00:18:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BEs9TLgVM1lvfktjaTkB4qxzXKkC35henMBopvVxPawOgBXidCbPRtkcMzU91wO45b_F41L5ZJ0uKniI_4Do5aqzqyMjrHim_dKuvAaEpDWFMOvW4PtY4aWYLYaPqR7edw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <01af01c8f4e6$c9db3160$d503fea9@stodd> References: <618932.63347.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <021601c8f29c$995d2ee0$d503fea9@stodd> <01b801c8f43e$6da15b20$d503fea9@stodd> <6D9CAD80-144C-4C0E-8D64-6D5348AE26E0@yahoo.com> <01af01c8f4e6$c9db3160$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 19:18:18 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=L88v0JdsUoPFoHSClpbb5XWmGDzenoE0nKAHXGLga8iDi3W7IA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > And the Republicans deserve the blame because? I love you because you are a Republican apologist. Lest you forgot some of the high points of the GWB administration and Republicans over the past 8 years, let me give you a reminder. There is more but I got tired of typing.... Katrina Iraq Allowing banks to not have oversight which caused the bad loans. They had the House, Senate and Executive for 6 years. All they did was start unnecessary wars and kill people who were innocent. Bad policy on energy that caused MASSIVE inflation. Ending of Habeas Corpus laws. Illegal Wiretapping. Secret Energy Policy that led to incredibly destructive oil prices. Changing of overtime laws to cut certain people out like nurses and many others. Failure to prosecute war in a expeditious manner in Iraq and Afghanistan Cutting the funds to care for wounded soldiers Walter Reed Hospital Cutting taxes on the rich during war time. LYING BEFORE THE UN TO START A WAR IN IRAQ Refusal to allow the press to photograph the returning war dead. Running the military into the ground and stressing soldiers and sailors beyond the breaking point. Alberto Gonzales and the firing of the US Attorneys Almost doubling the national debt in Ws term while the GOP had the House, Senate, and Executive Branches. Toe tapping in a Minneapolis mens room - I am not GAY! The Downing Street Memo Handling of 9/11 Veto of medical care bill for children Nuclear weapons technology to India for Mangoes Donald Rumsfeld Not enough weapons or protective gear for soldiers. Bad handling of the E-3 Orion that had to crash land in Hainan Island. Missing nuclear weapons aboard a B-52 Dick Cheney shooting a man in the face with a shotgun Refusal to admit there really is global warming Changing the scientific reports to read the way the administration wants instead of showing science. Hiring of all the unqualified people in his administration Karl Rove Tora Bora and Bin Laden Cutting the VA budget for wounded warrior care during a war. Enron Senator David Vitter Republicans forcing the Democrats to hold meetings in the basement and not allowing a hearing The MONSTER Medicare drug program screw up. Trying to get the government involved in religious groups to give them money to handle problems Absolutely awful trade treaties like CAFTA and FTAA Secret prisons all over the world and refusal to admit it. _T_O_R_T_U_R_E_ Stock Market in the 11000's Irving I. "Scooter" Libby Disassembling the Iraqi army right after taking Baghdad "Iraq will sell its oil and pay the costs of the war." Ahmed Chalabi "Major Combat Operations in Iraq are over. Mission Accomplished" Bring it on! No bid contracts to Cheney's ex company Halliburton who over charged and fed soldiers rotted food. BLACKWATER Ever go to the airport and deal with the TSA? Cartoons being shown at the UN to start the Iraq war. Find any WMD's yet? Signing a report endorsing outsourcing with thousands of American workers having their jobs shipped overseas. Lack of job creation Refusal to enforce corporate tax law. Refusal to extend unemployment while GIVING THE TOP 10% A TAX CUT Underfunding Title 1 programs for disadvantaged kids No Child Left Behind Gutting clean air standards for aged powerplants with the Clean Air Act Allowing increased arsenic to be in drinking water with the Clean Water Act THE PATRIOT ACT Fighting CAFE standards until the last second. The threat level is Yellow, Orange, Red, Yellow, OMG! Cutting Mad Cow inspections Attempts to start war in Iran "I'm the Decider" Monica Goodling Kyle Sampson Ted Stevens and the bridge to nowhere Outing of Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson Josh Bolten and his recess appointment as ambassador to the UN Bob Ney Duke Cunningham and the big bux from the defense suppliers Dusty Foggo and Bribery Cookie Krongard and refusal to investigate contractor fraud in Iraq David Safavian White House advisor Claude Allen and shoplifting Jack Abramoff The Pat Tillman coverup Rick Renzi land fraud All done by awesome Republicans. You keep supporting them, Scott. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 19:29:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51418 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 02:29:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 02:29:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 02:29:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 75832 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 02:29:09 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.72] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:29:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 19:29:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <878D555C-4623-4BE7-9CF7-AAC2D1F973F2@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <455235.75692.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=t8yn3r5UxYcDmWAp5U8urI09UqVcdXWPxBW5E47p6bM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW John R at WLAC did the same thing.... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > By the time I came around (Born in 1968), XERF had so many > technical > problems, it was hit or miss if it was on at all. Often it > would drop > out right in the middle of a song or paid > "preacher". Remember when > they were selling Mail order Chicks? LOL > > Kevin > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 19:30:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17846 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 02:30:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 02:30:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 02:30:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87869 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 02:30:33 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.72] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:30:33 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 19:30:33 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0351EC6D-39F8-41FD-B363-A33EFF230736@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <555437.87850.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=fGhjBC0QVkFFJjErJ_NUowRsx9AVSkfMUoVcnHiknzU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 8/2/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 2:49 PM > > Be careful what you wish for. California is so screwed > up financially > > we may never recover, and it is all due to the one > party in control. > > Your governor is a REPUBLICAN. He was referring to all that took place before Arnold took office. Powell From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Aug 02 19:33:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93866 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 02:33:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 02:33:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 02:33:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 89338 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 02:33:07 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 02:33:07 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 02:33:07 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9FE2EF15-8038-4F04-B939-3488A7ED9310@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <387665.88254.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=wZ-ZmlgJYo7XG7eu9I_w6a_xreLPyfbgRFkH0GLwE1cAuiPHLBBZ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well bless the man.=A0 Hopefully someone will do something like that again = but I doubt it.=A0 Would be nice if they did. =A0 -Kevin --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 4:04 PM On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:51 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Man that used to drive me nuts cause Oldies 93.7 never did that when=20 > they were oldies The best Oldies done in this market was "Oldies 1330 WFBC" when Bill=20 Love was running the place. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 19:35:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97396 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 02:35:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 02:35:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 02:35:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28993 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 02:35:22 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.72] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:35:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 19:35:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <214342A8-096B-421F-A09B-73465E74E79C@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <998380.28896.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=0DyaSgsqCxij6PLVQT8H3OSoIS-RKQr7CKDCSlP1l3g X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:44 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > > > Do those beacons not still need to be run even if the > station isn't > > in operation? > > Yes, the tower lights MUST be on, or the towers dropped by > law. Those are really short towers now. If they are under 200 feet they don't have to be lit. Powell From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Aug 02 19:35:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38632 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 02:35:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 02:35:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.59) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 02:35:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30132 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 02:35:48 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 02:35:48 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 02:35:48 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <018701c8f4e4$5b787180$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <568436.24631.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=CNfPMEitxxrArAZC3tHmhbdq-Ku4CsFEYa_J9uq9xpVICnC-2sxk X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well I promise you for about a month or so those lights were off at night o= n 1070.=A0 It looked as though they had not only cut power to the transmitt= er but to the whole dang place.=A0 It was dark as hell over there at night.= =A0 You could barely even see the towers by moonlight (if you had=A0enough = on a particular night).=A0 I wondered about that and why they were left off= so long.=A0 I had decided in my mind that maybe they were just going to di= smantle the whole operation and take them down or something.=A0 They were b= ack on the last time I went over there last week. =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Sat, 8/2/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote= : From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 5:07 PM They were absolutely in violation of FAA rules by doing that unless they no= tified them of the outage. Even a 1/4 wave at 1070 will still be tall enoug= h to require lighting. IIRC it's between 1250 and 1300 where towers are sho= rt enough (assuming 1/4 wave) not to require lighting unless they're close = to an airport. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 I had heard that Tama cut the power for a while and apparently that was tru= e cause there were no night beacons running on the towers. Do those beacons= not still need to be run even if the station isn't in operation? I thought= they were there by law for aircraft to spot? I know those towers aren't in= credibly tall but it would seem that if they are supposed to have them that= they should be on. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 19:38:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32107 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 02:38:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 02:38:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 02:38:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30572 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 02:38:15 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.72] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:38:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 19:38:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <018701c8f4e4$5b787180$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <655111.29579.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=MUHrUzE823i_uAVjp02Xe8C7v4Fjtf3VKyqvUEA45OE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I think they are under 200 feet but I can find out. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 8/2/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 5:07 PM > They were absolutely in violation of FAA rules by doing that > unless they notified them of the outage. Even a 1/4 wave at > 1070 will still be tall enough to require lighting. IIRC > it's between 1250 and 1300 where towers are short enough > (assuming 1/4 wave) not to require lighting unless > they're close to an airport. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 20:22:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45243 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 03:22:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 03:22:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.49) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 03:22:49 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 03:22:49 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 03:22:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 03:22:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 03:22:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.5 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ux9q2jHe3zLYkylmSs5iMwMRqNNkQ9XsLdKc7k6EtZoDBWaLsQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > > > And the Republicans deserve the blame because? >=20 > I love you because you are a Republican apologist. Lest you=20 forgot=20=20 > some of the high points of the GWB administration and Republicans=20=20 > over the past 8 years, let me give you a reminder. There is more=20 but=20=20 > I got tired of typing.... >=20 > Katrina > Iraq > Allowing banks to not have oversight which caused the bad loans. > They had the House, Senate and Executive for 6 years. All they=20 did=20=20 > was start unnecessary wars and kill people who were innocent. > Bad policy on energy that caused MASSIVE inflation. > Ending of Habeas Corpus laws. > Illegal Wiretapping. > Secret Energy Policy that led to incredibly destructive oil prices. > Changing of overtime laws to cut certain people out like nurses=20 and=20=20 > many others. > Failure to prosecute war in a expeditious manner in Iraq and=20 Afghanistan > Cutting the funds to care for wounded soldiers > Walter Reed Hospital > Cutting taxes on the rich during war time. > LYING BEFORE THE UN TO START A WAR IN IRAQ=09 > Refusal to allow the press to photograph the returning war dead. > Running the military into the ground and stressing soldiers and=20=20 > sailors beyond the breaking point. > Alberto Gonzales and the firing of the US Attorneys > Almost doubling the national debt in Ws term while the GOP had=20 the=20=20 > House, Senate, and Executive Branches. > Toe tapping in a Minneapolis mens room - I am not GAY! > The Downing Street Memo > Handling of 9/11 > Veto of medical care bill for children > Nuclear weapons technology to India for Mangoes > Donald Rumsfeld > Not enough weapons or protective gear for soldiers. > Bad handling of the E-3 Orion that had to crash land in Hainan=20 Island. > Missing nuclear weapons aboard a B-52 > Dick Cheney shooting a man in the face with a shotgun > Refusal to admit there really is global warming > Changing the scientific reports to read the way the=20 administration=20=20 > wants instead of showing science. > Hiring of all the unqualified people in his administration > Karl Rove > Tora Bora and Bin Laden > Cutting the VA budget for wounded warrior care during a war. > Enron > Senator David Vitter > Republicans forcing the Democrats to hold meetings in the=20 basement=20=20 > and not allowing a hearing > The MONSTER Medicare drug program screw up. > Trying to get the government involved in religious groups to give=20=20 > them money to handle problems > Absolutely awful trade treaties like CAFTA and FTAA > Secret prisons all over the world and refusal to admit it. > _T_O_R_T_U_R_E_ > Stock Market in the 11000's > Irving I. "Scooter" Libby > Disassembling the Iraqi army right after taking Baghdad > "Iraq will sell its oil and pay the costs of the war." > Ahmed Chalabi > "Major Combat Operations in Iraq are over. Mission Accomplished" > Bring it on! > No bid contracts to Cheney's ex company Halliburton who over=20 charged=20=20 > and fed soldiers rotted food. > BLACKWATER > Ever go to the airport and deal with the TSA? > Cartoons being shown at the UN to start the Iraq war. > Find any WMD's yet? > Signing a report endorsing outsourcing with thousands of American=20=20 > workers having their jobs shipped overseas. > Lack of job creation > Refusal to enforce corporate tax law. > Refusal to extend unemployment while GIVING THE TOP 10% A TAX CUT > Underfunding Title 1 programs for disadvantaged kids > No Child Left Behind > Gutting clean air standards for aged powerplants with the Clean=20 Air Act > Allowing increased arsenic to be in drinking water with the Clean=20=20 > Water Act > THE PATRIOT ACT > Fighting CAFE standards until the last second. > The threat level is Yellow, Orange, Red, Yellow, OMG! > Cutting Mad Cow inspections > Attempts to start war in Iran > "I'm the Decider" > Monica Goodling > Kyle Sampson > Ted Stevens and the bridge to nowhere > Outing of Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson > Josh Bolten and his recess appointment as ambassador to the UN > Bob Ney > Duke Cunningham and the big bux from the defense suppliers > Dusty Foggo and Bribery > Cookie Krongard and refusal to investigate contractor fraud in Iraq > David Safavian > White House advisor Claude Allen and shoplifting > Jack Abramoff > The Pat Tillman coverup > Rick Renzi land fraud >=20 > All done by awesome Republicans. >=20 > You keep supporting them, Scott. >=20 > Kevin > I'm a Chilean citizen (South America) and, unfortunately to me, any=20 USA political decision affects our lives, directly, too. I agree Bush didn't do a well job, but I'm no sure the other part=20 will be a real solution (specifically to the AM radios). We must to pray so hard for a real miracle to save the AM band, and=20 I'm not sure if it is an Obama priority. Just my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 23:15:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45904 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 06:15:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 06:15:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 06:15:36 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 06:15:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 06:15:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 06:15:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 06:15:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <565876.42063.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.13.247 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=YZEElyOIwS2lmtGGFvpxgQtHEPCYkAodV4ZFnllMIu8p5wXm X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Yup, the "cookie-cutter" programs. One night I sat in Durand, MI, scanned > the dial, and found 11 stations carrying C2C, and over a dozen carrying ESPN...with a lousy car radio! My stomach nearly empties, too! G=20=20 >=20 This is proof positive that the abolition of the Fairness Doctrine was a Bad Idea-- I can prove there are actually FEWER talk radio stations today, without the Fairness Doctrine than there were with: Just eliminate all the bird-fed takers ands see how many are left. Chances are, MUCH fewer than when the Fairness Doctrine was abolished. Now, tell me- Was that a good thing? Did it REALLY improve diversity of voices and ownership to abolish the Fairness Doctrine? I don't think it was, just as much as letting the RIAA have free reign over royalty fees that have driven many statiuons from broadcasting anything beyond bird-fed programming. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 23:19:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54840 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 06:19:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 06:19:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 06:19:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16005 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 06:19:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:19:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 23:19:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0BD49FE9-7F4F-49DB-A3DF-94233CD8EE48@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <119509.15523.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=y5ZZdQd4dn3Vy4eC0lD6L0KMaVzorh-Z4SMfjxCc1HRyuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I'll be dogone...I was listening to an R2000 and a loop when I caught the big X ramping up the juice in 2003! Guess I better look to trade the 2000 for a 1000? G --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 1:27 PM > On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:18 PM, george russell wrote: > > > What sacrifice do I offer up to this goddess, anyway? > A big tube, a > > golden transistor? Maybe a l-o-n-g beverage antenna! > :-) G > > I offer her a Kenwood R-1000 and a 5 foot Square Air Core > Loop. > > Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 23:35:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8802 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 06:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 06:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 06:35:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 56743 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 06:35:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:35:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 23:35:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <878D555C-4623-4BE7-9CF7-AAC2D1F973F2@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <774761.55957.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=8-IgZehFPsF5JtReO9tVeVNd0cXMJc7iSQoQ5OyaVxWYkg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Oh Yeah! "Rock and roll from the West Pole"! Yup, the were darn kewl, and I guess in 1975, they actually scored #1 in the ratings, despite their non-US location. Something tells me if some group of investors leased that station and turned it back into the Sun City Rocker, a LOT of people in my generation would love it. (Right now, Mexico is VERY open to US leasing...anybody out there got some play money and a Form 235?) XERF had an old Amplifuzz..uh, I mean Ampliphase box, that was pretty worn out. Several attempts were made to revive it, but always with only temporary success. Baby Chicks! YEAH! "Send $3.95, cash, check, or money order, to CHICKS! XERF, Del Reeeeeo, Texas!" "And if you order right now, da Wolfman gonna send you a life-size autographed poster of HIM, dat glows in da dark!" Wolfman and the Big X...a combination that will never be matched again. (sniff-sniff :<() George --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 2:13 PM > On Aug 2, 2008, at 1:15 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Thanks for the memory jog, Kevin! > > Yea, wasn't X-ROK 80 "The Sun City Rocker" > the kewlest thing on the > dial :-) > > By the time I came around (Born in 1968), XERF had so many > technical > problems, it was hit or miss if it was on at all. Often it > would drop > out right in the middle of a song or paid > "preacher". Remember when > they were selling Mail order Chicks? LOL > > Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 23:43:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88333 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 06:43:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 06:43:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 06:43:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 95732 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 06:43:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:43:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 23:43:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <709019.58792.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <261090.94620.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=4VXemj0gRFiofkRoNJYObuEFKUsA2HOQcEixt0HLgcXEkw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Good point! Around hear, just about everybody does, including most of the = Mexicans I know. Of course, Detroit has a version of English all it's own= , and until you master it, Spanish seems easier!=20=20 The Brits will tell you of course that NOBODY in the US speaks English... except transplanted Brits! What a big, wonderful world this is!=20 --- On Sat, 8/2/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 3:45 PM > But the Cherokee Indians speak english as well. > =A0 >=20 >=20 > --- On Sat, 8/2/08, george russell > wrote: >=20 > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 1:19 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > You're Cherokee? Then you are more American than I > am...I salute you! >=20 > --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Possum Hunter gmail.com> wrote: >=20 > > From: Possum Hunter > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On > Air > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 10:58 AM > > On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:39 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > >=20 > > > You coulda fooled me with the spanish thats > spoken on > > it. > >=20 > > Well, they do speak Spanish in South America. > >=20 > > > The US needs to establish an official language, > >=20 > > So long as you make it Cherokee. We were here a > helluva > > long time=20 > > before y'all got off the boat. > >=20 > > Kevin >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 23:44:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52707 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 06:44:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 06:44:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 06:44:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7714 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 06:44:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:44:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 23:44:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4A81DC8E-BD66-48DD-A351-A82EDE6E3A86@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <687532.7035.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=aKTe8rYNdbM0f8SXF7Og-0FH7iUDyXKbiU4A-s8ogNGZng X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I want an RF Hoooooooooooo-ver, too! --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 3:51 PM > On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:43 PM, kevin redding wrote: > > > I have one of those but I bet it really sings with a > big loop like > > that! > > It is an RF Vacuum Cleaner! > > Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 02 23:52:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 834 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 06:52:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 06:52:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 06:52:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 67309 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 06:52:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:52:20 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 23:52:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <735744.64894.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=OkqBtfjPp-vmDC9MJeuOtueYCXLxCI2SpdrXz5TZjj6zvA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Good LORD! And people hate Bill Clinton for a few minor indiscretions involving some ladies? Well, at least back then I had a job that I could live on, gas in the car, and NO fear that my kid (and I) might end up in the cold! Time for a change? It is WAY past time for a change!!! G --- On Sat, 8/2/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 8:18 PM > > And the Republicans deserve the blame because? > > I love you because you are a Republican apologist. Lest you > forgot > some of the high points of the GWB administration and > Republicans > over the past 8 years, let me give you a reminder. There is > more but > I got tired of typing.... > > Katrina > Iraq > Allowing banks to not have oversight which caused the bad > loans. > They had the House, Senate and Executive for 6 years. All > they did > was start unnecessary wars and kill people who were > innocent. > Bad policy on energy that caused MASSIVE inflation. > Ending of Habeas Corpus laws. > Illegal Wiretapping. > Secret Energy Policy that led to incredibly destructive oil > prices. > Changing of overtime laws to cut certain people out like > nurses and > many others. > Failure to prosecute war in a expeditious manner in Iraq > and Afghanistan > Cutting the funds to care for wounded soldiers > Walter Reed Hospital > Cutting taxes on the rich during war time. > LYING BEFORE THE UN TO START A WAR IN IRAQ > Refusal to allow the press to photograph the returning war > dead. > Running the military into the ground and stressing soldiers > and > sailors beyond the breaking point. > Alberto Gonzales and the firing of the US Attorneys > Almost doubling the national debt in Ws term while the GOP > had the > House, Senate, and Executive Branches. > Toe tapping in a Minneapolis mens room - I am not GAY! > The Downing Street Memo > Handling of 9/11 > Veto of medical care bill for children > Nuclear weapons technology to India for Mangoes > Donald Rumsfeld > Not enough weapons or protective gear for soldiers. > Bad handling of the E-3 Orion that had to crash land in > Hainan Island. > Missing nuclear weapons aboard a B-52 > Dick Cheney shooting a man in the face with a shotgun > Refusal to admit there really is global warming > Changing the scientific reports to read the way the > administration > wants instead of showing science. > Hiring of all the unqualified people in his administration > Karl Rove > Tora Bora and Bin Laden > Cutting the VA budget for wounded warrior care during a > war. > Enron > Senator David Vitter > Republicans forcing the Democrats to hold meetings in the > basement > and not allowing a hearing > The MONSTER Medicare drug program screw up. > Trying to get the government involved in religious groups > to give > them money to handle problems > Absolutely awful trade treaties like CAFTA and FTAA > Secret prisons all over the world and refusal to admit it. > _T_O_R_T_U_R_E_ > Stock Market in the 11000's > Irving I. "Scooter" Libby > Disassembling the Iraqi army right after taking Baghdad > "Iraq will sell its oil and pay the costs of the > war." > Ahmed Chalabi > "Major Combat Operations in Iraq are over. Mission > Accomplished" > Bring it on! > No bid contracts to Cheney's ex company Halliburton who > over charged > and fed soldiers rotted food. > BLACKWATER > Ever go to the airport and deal with the TSA? > Cartoons being shown at the UN to start the Iraq war. > Find any WMD's yet? > Signing a report endorsing outsourcing with thousands of > American > workers having their jobs shipped overseas. > Lack of job creation > Refusal to enforce corporate tax law. > Refusal to extend unemployment while GIVING THE TOP 10% A > TAX CUT > Underfunding Title 1 programs for disadvantaged kids > No Child Left Behind > Gutting clean air standards for aged powerplants with the > Clean Air Act > Allowing increased arsenic to be in drinking water with the > Clean > Water Act > THE PATRIOT ACT > Fighting CAFE standards until the last second. > The threat level is Yellow, Orange, Red, Yellow, OMG! > Cutting Mad Cow inspections > Attempts to start war in Iran > "I'm the Decider" > Monica Goodling > Kyle Sampson > Ted Stevens and the bridge to nowhere > Outing of Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson > Josh Bolten and his recess appointment as ambassador to the > UN > Bob Ney > Duke Cunningham and the big bux from the defense suppliers > Dusty Foggo and Bribery > Cookie Krongard and refusal to investigate contractor fraud > in Iraq > David Safavian > White House advisor Claude Allen and shoplifting > Jack Abramoff > The Pat Tillman coverup > Rick Renzi land fraud > > All done by awesome Republicans. > > You keep supporting them, Scott. > > Kevin From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 00:04:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52972 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 07:04:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 07:04:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.163) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 07:04:23 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 07:04:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 07:04:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 07:04:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 07:04:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5F645E32-01C0-43B1-988F-CCA2BFA8475D@cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.13.247 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=EhCQTLEAkt60GrZYpT2PzXie9FFT54ESSW7Sswa2wgTHJenv X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > And who would this be? The guy who is the equivalent of a newscaster=20=20 > reading a teleprompter? All image, no substance, no plan ... but he=20=20 > sounds good when he talks (as long as he has a prepared speech). Funny, some said that of Kennedy- Yet, when Kennedy came to power, the US was still in a very bad recession that his predecessor, Eisenhower, presided over. In the 2 1/2 years he was in office, the US economy turned around to become the most profitable it had ever been to that time, a prosperity that wouldn't be seen until another Democrat came to power-- the dot-com boom during the Clinton years. Only one Democrat presided over a failed economy in the past 100 years- Carter. (FDR inherited the Depression, so it wasn't his fault, and tried to do everything he could to get people back to working, paying jobs.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 00:13:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72380 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 07:13:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 07:13:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 07:13:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 83775 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 07:13:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 00:13:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 00:13:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <758926.83358.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=FTjbExu_PQV1Juia7wsV7lZJ-DoNDa0XT0ckrL9R5xw5bQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Right ON, Amy! Great new use for C-QUAM (or any AMS system)...double-edged talk shows! We could have Flush Rimbowl and Co. coming out of the "right" speaker, and reason and truth coming out of the "correct" side! (I KNOW I'll getta a verbal ass-kicking for THAT, hah-hah!) George --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Amy Mousie wrote: > From: Amy Mousie > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 3:04 AM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Richard Wagoner > > wrote: > > > > And who would this be? The guy who is the equivalent > of a newscaster > > reading a teleprompter? All image, no substance, no > plan ... but he > > sounds good when he talks (as long as he has a > prepared speech). > > Funny, some said that of Kennedy- Yet, when Kennedy came to > power, the > US was still in a very bad recession that his predecessor, > Eisenhower, > presided over. In the 2 1/2 years he was in office, the US > economy > turned around to become the most profitable it had ever > been to that > time, a prosperity that wouldn't be seen until another > Democrat came > to power-- the dot-com boom during the Clinton years. > > Only one Democrat presided over a failed economy in the > past 100 > years- Carter. (FDR inherited the Depression, so it > wasn't his fault, > and tried to do everything he could to get people back to > working, > paying jobs.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 00:20:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52759 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 07:20:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 07:20:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.209) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 07:20:41 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 07:20:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 07:20:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 07:20:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 07:20:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A81DC8E-BD66-48DD-A351-A82EDE6E3A86@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.13.247 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=D3arEsvLZusX7j-GzXMJI3f2cwpbgYqjGeH2XV7fbdfw10wZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter wrote: > >=20 > On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:43 PM, kevin redding wrote: >=20 > > I have one of those but I bet it really sings with a big loop like=20=20 > > that! >=20 > It is an RF Vacuum Cleaner! Pit a Select-A-Tenna near it, and hear it pick up Europe... :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (...in the DAYTIME!) From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 00:23:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52387 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 07:23:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 07:23:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.144) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 07:23:21 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 07:23:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 07:23:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 07:23:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 07:23:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <214342A8-096B-421F-A09B-73465E74E79C@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.13.247 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Lnq7ZgkcM-bzqI7-8-Y4927KiJwvD7OZcVw-_KAM_iZNOGOJ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter wrote: > >=20 > On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:44 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: >=20 > > Do those beacons not still need to be run even if the station isn't = =20 > > in operation? >=20 > Yes, the tower lights MUST be on, or the towers dropped by law. Necessity to keep planes from hitting towers. :) =20 > > When I was at the beach back in June it was like radio zen listening = =20 > > to WNMB. It felt like radio felt when I was a kid, like they were=20=20 > > just next door neighbours. Wish those days were still here! >=20 > When I was in Fort Lauderdale, a PIrate was like that. Lynks-FM was=20=20 > Live N Local Reggae 24/7 with lots of remotes and local info. It=20=20 > sounded MUCH better than any of the legal stations in the market! LOL Damn good reggae, too- I've heard them online. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 00:43:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85943 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 07:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 07:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 07:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 07:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 07:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 07:43:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 07:43:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <758926.83358.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.13.247 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=p0w7r95wkWjF5Hu9-7-DEISR0fDecmYZPJiwT_3KQEfmmtOO X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Right ON, Amy! >=20 > Great new use for C-QUAM (or any AMS system)...double-edged talk shows! > We could have Flush Rimbowl and Co. coming out of the "right" speaker, > and reason and truth coming out of the "correct" side! > (I KNOW I'll getta a verbal ass-kicking for THAT, hah-hah!) Not the first time it's been suggested... Oh, and it works better in Kahn/Hazeltine ISB mode... ;) *hides* Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 05:30:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30268 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 12:30:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 12:30:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 12:30:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15087 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 12:30:13 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.23] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 05:30:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 05:30:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <735744.64894.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <988815.13945.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Fwj1ex6tIPuoEp0H5SdGYsVU9KXzoUvOOqVOxsV0evI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > Good LORD! And people hate Bill Clinton for a few minor > indiscretions involving some ladies? No lying about it. Well, at least back > then I had a job that I could live on, gas in the car, and > NO fear that my kid (and I) might end up in the cold! Time > for a change? It is WAY past time for a change!!! G And it will come and we will pay dearly for it. I am tired of this thread. This is the AM Stereo list not the Marxist Love Affair Society list. I am a conservative, but don't care for this George Bush. I don't like any of the candidates. There was a joke a while back that this year we have a Democrat, a Socialist and a Marxist running for president. McCain is considered a Democrat by true conservatives, who have been shoved aside in both parties, by the way. November is coming. We will have a very cold day in January and hell might even freeze over. Powell From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 05:36:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87502 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 12:36:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 12:36:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.220) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 12:36:55 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.225] by n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 12:36:50 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.66] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 12:36:55 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 12:36:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 9716.71597.bm@omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 81348 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 12:36:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.144 with plain) by smtp128.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 12:36:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: l1Wpk.AVM1njkI0sER834JgvJLPda90Wv55fCI8Lmg6ekL50fpGHlXvx9uDD8VWZGcIZtZpzbCB6I0xoAlBRNmTDWxdNkxszfBN_J5WckJBRSOP3nd4PpRsco4qCdXp5Hw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <735744.64894.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <735744.64894.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <154A287E-B8A7-421F-BB90-184DF5204E16@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 07:36:53 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Qd_2i20c4tKc_1GRUjiaq3ioy9yxN1xV1lyE66-_cMRPc15csw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Good LORD! And people hate Bill Clinton for a few minor > indiscretions involving some ladies? Well, at least back then I > had a job that I could live on, gas in the car, and NO fear that my > kid (and I) might end up in the cold! Time for a change? It is > WAY past time for a change!!! It was in the term of the first Bush. of the family who financed Hitler prior to WW II, yeah, check that out, when the government refused to choose an AM stereo transmission mode and let things die as they did. At least when Clinton came in AM stereo was chosen to be C-QUAM. Republicans even screwed up AM stereo. Check out that long list I sent. I can't understand why anyone with a room temperature IQ would ever vote for a Republican. Kevin From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Aug 03 05:43:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98851 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 12:43:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 12:43:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.144) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 12:43:33 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 12:43:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 12:43:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 12:43:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 12:43:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <988815.13945.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.144.216.216 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=SzZYQb0I6o1imafpuaLo_jO4BKHUm8wSqUiqRVKZ466yv0s X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit November is coming. We will have a very cold day in January and hell might even freeze over. Powell I have a vision.... POWELL FOR PRESIDENT ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 05:44:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31154 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 12:44:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 12:44:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 12:44:03 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n16.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 12:44:03 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.253] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 12:44:03 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 12:44:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 614731.66276.bm@omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 32918 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 12:44:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.144 with plain) by smtp127.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 12:44:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: s9mi0a8VM1lGvIOPlve.Bi12cr2eg1xkR6WpvG58kUkO9UElThatuE5GnodttMFnZeLDGdM6RtQ255I4JOJYPEWSp4r42trOVhSNoJ4hAOUODbkDQdBJc6U63MfQg56FZQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3D88842E-451F-41E9-A31D-C0AF892FB624@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 07:44:01 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=fh0IQJJA0Kc_SgTpsCfQHMQS0KVi9T4_LGSXrrx3cZrn3S6lmw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I'm a Chilean citizen (South America) and, unfortunately to me, any > USA political decision affects our lives, directly, too. Our governments role in the situation with Pinochet was deplorable. A lot of people were "disappeared" during his time in power. > I agree Bush didn't do a well job, but I'm no sure the other part > will be a real solution (specifically to the AM radios). The first Bush was one of the direct causes of the demise of AM stereo. Engineers and station owners kept asking for one of the four transmission modes to be chosen. The Bush administration said they wanted the market to decide. It was caused to drag on so long that AM stereo never caught on in the United States. > We must to pray so hard for a real miracle to save the AM band, and > I'm not sure if it is an Obama priority. In the USA, AM is becoming a relic. All radio is becoming passe. It will have its place but not prominent as it was in the past. What I find interesting is that the FM stations on the 45 MHz band from Chile can at times be heard playing some very nice music. Its rare but it does happen. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 05:45:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14842 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 12:45:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 12:45:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.49) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 12:45:43 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n30.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 12:45:39 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.71] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 12:45:39 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 12:45:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 870929.40547.bm@omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 88045 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 12:45:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.144 with plain) by smtp114.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 12:45:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 158fti0VM1mcY14Ca26mxHWbnAVxwUpobnV27wbU51Gr66.iC.9BO2Jc_qIhDXX_LwzAthVz5oPuOzqyXWQN6a_yruFjmB5hf.tHJgnE9RFgBmflGqwSzOrVKKsjS_.hAw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2D7BF078-9CD6-418B-A048-02D638A076A8@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 07:45:38 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=pDmldS2bQNn_NOa1rzgCxxQJ61JUijEJM83e4ZpwEJV03_dc2g X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 3, 2008, at 7:43 AM, Juan Gualda wrote: > > I have a vision.... POWELL FOR PRESIDENT ! He would be better than the one we have now. At least Powell can put a coherent sentence together and he loves AM stereo. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 05:49:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77362 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 12:49:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 12:49:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 12:49:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25965 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 12:49:02 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.23] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 05:49:02 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 05:49:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <126706.25672.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=zD65nukVw4YF-xgw0svyeJjfYWdl2TOVx0ULCzXtuHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW > > Funny, some said that of Kennedy- Yet, when Kennedy came to > power, the > US was still in a very bad recession that his predecessor, > Eisenhower, > presided over. In the 2 1/2 years he was in office, the US > economy > turned around to become the most profitable it had ever > been to that > time, a prosperity that wouldn't be seen until another > Democrat came > to power-- the dot-com boom during the Clinton years. And his policies would today be considered those of a GOOD moderate Republican and he would be drummed out of the Democratic party. > Only one Democrat presided over a failed economy in the > past 100 > years- Carter. And he singlehandedly decimated the military, that even today has not recovered from the damage. (FDR inherited the Depression, so it > wasn't his fault, > and tried to do everything he could to get people back to > working, paying jobs.) It takes time for what for what some previous admimistration did to show up. Those large tax increases that Clinton did in the late 90's was starting to show up right before George was inaugurated. This happens no matter what administration is in power. There was NO surplus under Clinton. It was a paper one. The defeceits (yes I spelled it this way) we have now are horrible. But soon, expect more taxes, and a lot more spending that doesn't even come close to being covered by any tax increase no matter how large it is. Have a 401 or some form of retirement? Expect it to be taxed. Going to retire soon. It had better be VERY soon. Otherwise you might be seeing 70 or more as a retirement date. I am glad I get mine in a few months. I was afraid to wait, though I will be 62 in October. If I had to wait to 70 to retire completely I think I would rather be dead. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 05:53:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61255 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 12:53:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 12:53:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 12:53:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 70097 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 12:53:19 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.23] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 05:53:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 05:53:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <758926.83358.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <645075.68554.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: AM stereo joke X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=OZKMahluFdoFFbhMl_mi1ivxqfK30Tqmehc4PYroa8I X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW What a sorry excuse for a joke. Here's the one I did a good while ago. Why do politicians love AM stereo Because they can talk out of both sides of their mouths and use PLATFORM SHIFT to their advantage.... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 8/3/08, george russell wrote: > > Great new use for C-QUAM (or any AMS system)...double-edged > talk shows! > We could have Flush Rimbowl and Co. coming out of the > "right" speaker, > and reason and truth coming out of the "correct" > side! > (I KNOW I'll getta a verbal ass-kicking for THAT, > hah-hah!) > George From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 05:58:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77096 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 12:58:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 12:58:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 12:58:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32446 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 12:58:58 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.23] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 05:58:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 05:58:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <154A287E-B8A7-421F-BB90-184DF5204E16@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <953688.32240.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=kLRBno6Cu8pqrLHv4MJGDIwGhAqiKrov7aBPW0XXhbY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN At least when Clinton came in AM stereo was > chosen to be > C-QUAM. Republicans even screwed up AM stereo. Clinton had nothing to do with it. > Check out that long list I sent. I can't understand why > anyone with a > room temperature IQ would ever vote for a Republican. If someone wanted to, I am sure we could do the very same for Clinton and Carter...... I won't waste my time. This is not @$@$@$%@$^@^^%$%^&% political list. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 05:59:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32681 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 12:59:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 12:59:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 12:59:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73737 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 12:59:51 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.23] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 05:59:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 05:59:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <402995.72973.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=IWlNxRkxxJ9dlN9cvcGoNC0cwdOoChNUHiZdzym54ZE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW All parties would be afraid. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Juan Gualda wrote: > From: Juan Gualda > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 8:43 AM > November is coming. We will have a very cold day in January > and hell > might even freeze over. > > > Powell > > > I have a vision.... POWELL FOR PRESIDENT ! > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 06:04:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32374 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 13:04:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 13:04:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 13:04:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36212 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 13:03:59 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.23] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 06:03:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 06:03:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <2D7BF078-9CD6-418B-A048-02D638A076A8@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <728429.35048.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Jom5mdzhAfGLqmrYl0Tdgxy9R_FXLLBzivK7-LWji54 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Neither party is up to doing what really needs to be done. Both would rather attack each other. And we have a very lazy electorate. If I were head of the FCC OOOHHH EEEEE! .... though. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 8/3/08, kevin redding wrote: > > > > I have a vision.... POWELL FOR PRESIDENT ! > > He would be better than the one we have now. At least > Powell can put > a coherent sentence together and he loves AM stereo. > > Kevin > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 07:16:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84375 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 14:16:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 14:16:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n33.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.25) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 14:16:54 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n33.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 14:16:53 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.252] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 14:16:53 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp413.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 14:16:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 719606.64770.bm@omp413.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 75306 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 14:16:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.144 with plain) by smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 14:16:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xdUlV_AVM1kPIbaAqgC9nZRJFLvyWXYLHgzhUxyzBqIYkp3uxTqPbMMX5U_tHerHZdmL1Y4.MFidR5RsIEcwm76Ccy07.oVevnPdIZElFaJ1B.u.vB1oOB5mnpvkMEzElkGUwpbDx22cd59a.jOa.mM- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <53E8A844-5244-4C11-BAE9-95CEF6797ABB@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 09:16:51 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Colombia goes to the dark side X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=F611ngMnbVPxA30xwcTXOOOZ36KGrO3YDVqa5Fqwlr9NPehSVg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Colombian Station Airs HD Radio Tests 8.01.2008=09 An FM station in Colombia is the first in that country to air HD=20=20 Radio, according to Broadcast Electronics. Tropicana 102.9 is airing digital using BE HD Radio transmission=20=20 equipment. =93The installation is part of a test granted under temporary=20=20 authorization by the broadcast governing agency in Colombia, and was=20=20 conducted in the country capital of Bogota, population 9 million,=94 BE = =20 said in the announcement. BE called this the first reported HD Radio installation in Colombia.=20=20 The station is using an FXi 250 digital FM exciter and FSi 10 HD=20=20 Radio exporter into an existing FM 20S solid-state transmitter. The station is owned by Caracol Radio Network. BE equipment is=20=20 represented by Jaime Sorzano of Broadcast Equipment and Parts http://www.rwonline.com/pages/s.0101/t.14789.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 07:24:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13790 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 14:24:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 14:24:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 14:24:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 53137 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 14:24:15 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.23] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 07:24:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 07:24:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <79238.52883.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=SYV7g4ouUr5W6j8VnJ5Y1JEX7Ni_eRLos5xRNi3WLXI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I am so sick and tired of this political CRAP on this list I am about to go down to the Animal Shelter for an injection of "blue juice"...... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 08:37:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47147 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 15:37:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 15:37:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 15:37:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32367 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 15:37:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 08:37:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 08:37:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <154A287E-B8A7-421F-BB90-184DF5204E16@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <291737.32280.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=w1w_2nZLGxGeG0vNzBwntsTcIMS8r4FtQhgAT_vqxQ0reQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Kevin, do I have your permission to print that list and share it with a few undecided (or wrongly decided!) friends? I'll blank out your name if you wish...George --- On Sun, 8/3/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 8:36 AM > > Good LORD! And people hate Bill Clinton for a few > minor > > indiscretions involving some ladies? Well, at least > back then I > > had a job that I could live on, gas in the car, and NO > fear that my > > kid (and I) might end up in the cold! Time for a > change? It is > > WAY past time for a change!!! > > It was in the term of the first Bush. of the family who > financed > Hitler prior to WW II, yeah, check that out, when the > government > refused to choose an AM stereo transmission mode and let > things die > as they did. At least when Clinton came in AM stereo was > chosen to be > C-QUAM. Republicans even screwed up AM stereo. > > Check out that long list I sent. I can't understand why > anyone with a > room temperature IQ would ever vote for a Republican. > > Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 08:58:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45377 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 15:58:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 15:58:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.221) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 15:58:40 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.225] by n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 15:58:40 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.72] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 15:58:40 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 15:58:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 142204.20587.bm@omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 8742 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 15:58:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.144 with plain) by smtp121.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 15:58:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jA7yNI0VM1lcq2jpva.5SoE680eYrVP.taOIiMMWw1gkYJAGadrewlp_V_xmbktuINy5376ERmOIqNCGz2jRYE3ih0R5rPFV7pVv2JCqyh7f..QuiJ.2rmKERQL5bkkMdQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <291737.32280.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <291737.32280.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0D7E48CF-02D5-429D-BCCD-98BCF49BFBA7@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 10:58:38 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=6bDlvO6a25dc-E5dMIrtMafxOAxSAwYzVJV9WwIForzEd_KIgg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Kevin, do I have your permission to print that list and share it > with a few undecided (or wrongly decided!) friends? I'll blank out > your name if you wish...George Be my guest. Have fun, George. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 09:25:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25224 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 16:25:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 16:25:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 16:25:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 85835 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 16:25:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 09:25:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 09:25:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3D88842E-451F-41E9-A31D-C0AF892FB624@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <161140.85419.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=dUDSiZJAURX3yLbKH9qP3ySdO3aCri3_iF6eLZJeqttWuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 The FCC DID choose a system (Magnavox PMX), but there was so much outcry from proponents of the other systems, (who of course had far more money to donate to lobbyists than Magnavox did), so in the interest of a "free (?) market", the biggest mistake in AM history was made. (IBOC gets my vote for #2) Personally, I would have liked to see PMX stay the standard, but I would have MUCH preferred to see ANY of them at least chosen and then stuck with! It is the same lack of a standard that killed quadraphonic stereo years before...seems SOMEBODY wasn't learning from past mistakes too well! Can you imagine if this "free market" approach had been used back in the 50's? Three systems for color TV...we would STILL be watching B&W! Back then the FCC, the engineers and set builders, and the government worked together, overcame the problems, and when NTSC was chosen, it was not a suggestion, it was the LAW! That is how AM stereo should have been handled. AM is dying today because of several bad moves. The receiver makers kept narrowing the passband, so the broadcasters kept raising the high-frequency boost and compression, and the process repeated, in a spiral that was sure to make AM a very low-fi sound. This of course made AM a "voice medium" in the minds of many, so it was soon relegated to news and talk. Stereo, and later the NRSC EQ curve, were attempts to revive AM as a viable music medium, but it was too late, and the government AGAIN dragged it's feet by not making NRSC and AMAX mandatory. (At first the NRSC spectrum occupancy "mask" was not even a law, just a recommendation) What can save AM now? PROGRAMMING! Offer something that FM isn't giving. We have a tiny 1 kW. station near here that sells time to various unique music programs, and people ARE taking notice. Maybe a hard look at how programming is going on, by AM owners, then a tough decision to take a risk and go out on a new limb? Remember, TOP 40 was a giant leap by somebody who couldn't possibly KNOW that it would succeed! Finally, stop ignoring night-time DX listeners, looking at them as a bunch of "nuts" or "just hobbyists"...WE are a market, too! There ARE listeners that are not just fishing for QSL cards, but actually like hearing what is going on in another city, state, or even nation. Somebody out there with a good head for programming must come up with some kind of promotional idea to cash in on the one thing FM CAN'T do... go the distance! One way would be to limit the number of affiliates that can carry a show simultaneously. If C2C was only on a few high power stations, you can bet those stations would be scrambling to get the DXer to tune in! (Of course now I'm treading on the sacred "free market" ground!) Maybe AM can't be saved...maybe we are all clinging to a sinking ship. Maybe it is time to open the band to pirates and see what they can do with it! Whatever works, eh? George --- On Sun, 8/3/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 8:44 AM > > I'm a Chilean citizen (South America) and, > unfortunately to me, any > > USA political decision affects our lives, directly, > too. > > Our governments role in the situation with Pinochet was > deplorable. A > lot of people were "disappeared" during his time > in power. > > > I agree Bush didn't do a well job, but I'm no > sure the other part > > will be a real solution (specifically to the AM > radios). > > The first Bush was one of the direct causes of the demise > of AM > stereo. Engineers and station owners kept asking for one of > the four > transmission modes to be chosen. The Bush administration > said they > wanted the market to decide. It was caused to drag on so > long that AM > stereo never caught on in the United States. > > > We must to pray so hard for a real miracle to save the > AM band, and > > I'm not sure if it is an Obama priority. > > In the USA, AM is becoming a relic. All radio is becoming > passe. It > will have its place but not prominent as it was in the > past. > > What I find interesting is that the FM stations on the 45 > MHz band > from Chile can at times be heard playing some very nice > music. Its > rare but it does happen. > > Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 09:44:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30438 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 16:44:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 16:44:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 16:44:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96748 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 16:44:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 09:44:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 09:44:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <79238.52883.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <247254.95634.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=wN4nu3OQeL9MRlmBX0rYEMffaYlvvHKGhq2zWuCQ5oLZJA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Oh, come now, Powell...is it THAT bad? We are all here because we love AM Stereo, but we also want a world where we can afford a radio to listen to it on, a station to hear, and enough peace on the planet that we can hear other things than the latest death toll or economic bad news. Go ahead, throw YOUR hat in the ring! I think you might get some support here! George --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 10:24 AM > I am so sick and tired of this political CRAP on this list I > am about to go down to the Animal Shelter for an injection > of "blue juice"...... > > > Powell > > > > > > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 14:00:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25444 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 21:00:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 21:00:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.101) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 21:00:30 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 21:00:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 21:00:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2008 21:00:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:00:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <953688.32240.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.13.247 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=z4O692kSnciYpkKnxripM9ZrQTAwTBU3mCSBR4OG4OR8Mcoa X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: =20=20 > At least when Clinton came in AM stereo was > > chosen to be=20=20 > > C-QUAM. Republicans even screwed up AM stereo. >=20 >=20 > Clinton had nothing to do with it.=20 The decision was in February 1993- Under Clinton's administration. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w6yn@juno.com Sun Aug 03 14:04:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22719 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 21:04:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 21:04:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 21:04:32 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEKNHL5AGUZCLJ for (sender ); Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:04:27 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD0AHO9BCKF4JpnQU3oeD14g= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NRPU7UAG; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:03:58 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.244.200] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:03:34 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:03:34 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080803.140334.14214.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 28:14:3548556420 X-MAIL-INFO:553e3e3b432e83e3fb5a5a3b5a77c76f232fcf0f7f57676767eb7fbefebf2b5e97ab97fa1adedbdecb2ffacb2bcb73afc37317736a1e8b6aea17178b0ba35ade3a9a9ededa2a134a138afa8aebca73defedbf393dfde8bc7c3ca4f7303cb8e9ee7e32e43fb3ba7ba9bba3b5a337e1e232f02377f0302d78f6f9f4e3eaffe430a022bba023bdabf5acf7e4a73cb4ac38ac36a93c38b5ffb8713f7bb2a97971ef733faa3be6397f76eaaaa737aaa731a9a638b9a0a676f232f024e431feb4e3b3e4e4b4b3b4b9b9b2e3f83ea271b9e67fe577b232f77e77ad79f7b2b4bf747471f672e0afb9b02a73e8ffa8fef331f4bbacfa7be3b3fdf6f7b3b1a dfdac73313db4a9eaada4afade2adece4ab7dbb39af3b7b70a6f8fde039a6b73734fb78f8b6e9e9e3e7bdaab4f7f7b0a837f0aa367ee7beb02b3d76fb3430e027b7b2f7faa43fb2bdf3ade3ab79aba8fcf371fbb83be3b4b9fe39befbebad38713133f1a337ef7dfae9f639a X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=Rj2Zkv6IoWl658KoRsdnqJ1Ml__y90Zyyf6tBNfCVg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Regulating speech in order to alter its content is exactly the sort of medd= ling that the First Amendment is meant to prohibit. Should the fairness doctrine be reinstated, the possibility of a challenge = even if the challenge ultimately failed, the cost of defending against it c= ould be substantial to the extent that I would cancel all talk programming = from my stations. I don't know what available programming would attract the= demographic audience that my customers demand. It just may mean that my in= vestment value could be radically diminished and a distressed property sale= may be the result. Fortunately I purchased these sticks as "distressed pro= perty" in the mid 80's so I may not suffer much of a loss. It's time for me= to retire anyway.=20 Policy discussion on the airwaves for decades was, for the most part, as bl= and as cottage cheese. In practice, the so-called fairness doctrine was dee= ply unfair. Restricting free speech and government controls on media content is anathem= a to our constitutional guarantees of free speech. Stalinists, of course, d= o not agree. History always proves them wrong: "Our massive strategy was to use the Fairness Doctrine to challenge and har= ass right-wing broadcasters and hope the challenges would be so costly to t= hem that they would be inhibited and decide it was too expensive to continu= e." --Bill Ruder, Democratic campaign consultant and Assistant Secretary of= Commerce, Kennedy Administration[1] "The main thing is the Post is going to have damnable, damnable problems ou= t of [its Watergate coverage]. They have a television station...and they ar= e going to have to get it renewed." --President Richard Nixon[2] Should the federal government mandate "fairness" in broadcasting? "Yes," sa= y some Members of Congress, including Speaker of the House Nancy Pols, who = reportedly said this week that House leaders would "aggressively pursue" le= gislation to reinstate the "Fairness Doctrine."[3] Until it was abolished i= n 1987, this Federal Communications Commission rule required broadcasters t= o air all sides of controversial issues. At first glance, the rule may sound innocuous. Fairness is, after all, a ba= sic American value. But as a matter of principle, any such government contr= ols on media content is anathema to constitutional guarantees of free speec= h. And in practice, the so-called fairness doctrine was deeply unfair. Dulling Down Broadcasting Rather than foster full and fair discussion of public issues, the real effe= ct of the Fairness Doctrine was to discourage discussion of controversial i= ssues of any kind. It's no coincidence that such media as talk radio--virtu= ally non-existent while the rule was in place--flowered after its repeal. R= ather than the vast wasteland of bland muzak-like discussion it was before,= broadcasting-- especially radio--has become a platform for vibrant and con= troversial debate on countless issues. The Fairness Doctrine was developed by the FCC over a long period, based on= its broad authority under the Communications Act to regulate the airwaves.= The rule was first articulated in 1949, when television was in its infancy= and radio meant a handful of AM stations in each market. In its final form= , the rule required broadcasters to "afford reasonable opportunity for disc= ussion of contrasting points of view on controversial matters of public imp= ortance."[4] The vagueness of the standard left quite a bit of uncertainty. What is a "r= easonable" opportunity? How many "contrasting" views? Station managers whos= e programming ventured too far into controversial subjects could quite easi= ly find themselves subject to a fairness doctrine challenge. And even if th= e challenge ultimately failed, the cost of defending against it could be su= bstantial. So the safe route for most was to stay far away from controversy= . As a result, policy discussion on the airwaves for decades was, for the m= ost part, as bland as cottage cheese. Political Abuse This "chilling" effect was exacerbated by political abuse of the system. Po= liticians of both parties used the doctrine to further their political ends= . Political strategists for Kennedy and Johnson, for example, consciously u= sed the Fairness Doctrine to cow political opponents. According to statemen= ts from party activists, there was an explicit strategy to raise the cost o= f critical programming, and thus get it dropped entirely. "Perhaps...our ta= ctics were too aggressive," one party operative is quoted as saying, "but w= e were up against ultra-right preachers who were saying vicious things abou= t Kennedy and Johnson."[5] The political use of the Fairness Doctrine was brought to new heights by Pr= esident Richard Nixon. According to Jesse Walker of Reason magazine, "priva= te activists directed by the Republican National Committee regularly filed = Fairness Doctrine challenges against stations whose reporting angered the W= hite House."[6] Demise of the Fairness Doctrine The constitutionality of the Fairness Doctrine was challenged in the 1969 c= ase Red Lion v. FCC[7], involving a religious broadcaster who was fined by = the FCC for not providing a person criticized on the air an opportunity to = reply. The Supreme Court upheld the rule, reasoning that because broadcast = frequencies were scarce, the government may intervene in broadcast media in= ways that would not be allowed toward traditional media, such as newspaper= s. The decision in Red Lion, however, has been subject to intense criticism.[8= ]And in 1987, the FCC rescinded the Fairness Doctrine, finding it to be con= trary to the Constitution as well as bad policy.[9] In its landmark decisio= n, the Commission wrote: We believe that the role of the electronic press in our society is the = same as that of the printed press. Both are sources of information and view= point. Accordingly, the reasons for proscribing government intrusion into t= he editorial discretion of print journalists provide the same basis for pro= scribing such interference into the editorial discretion of broadcast journ= alists.[10] The FCC's decision to rescind the doctrine was later upheld by a federal ap= peals court. In so doing, however, the court did not pass judgment on the c= onstitutionality of the rule and instead relied on the FCC's policy finding= s that it did not serve the public interest.[11] Red Lion is still formally in place. But in years since, the basic "spectru= m scarcity" rationale of Red Lion (and thus the constitutionality of fairne= ss rules) has become ever weaker. Not only have new broadcast frequencies--= such as the UHF television and FM radio bands--been put into use, but entir= ely new systems such as cable TV and satellite radio have been created, off= ering consumers hundreds of channels when before they only had a handful.[1= 2] And the Internet has made notions of scarcity almost meaningless.[13] At the same time, broadcasters--especially radio broadcasters--became much = more willing to air controversial points of view, in large part because of = the repeal of the FCC's fairness rule. Most notably, talk radio, which had = been a relatively rare format, exploded in scope and popularity. In 1990, t= here were some 400 stations with a talk show format nationwide. By 2006, th= ere were more than 1,400 stations devoted entirely to talk formats.[14] Pro= gramming shed its cottage cheese-like character, as controversial new hosts= , such as Rush Limbaugh, gained airtime and the freedom to express strong o= pinions and views without fear of regulatory reprisal. According to the Pro= ject for Excellence in Journalism: With the [Fairness] Doctrine's repeal, radio shows could become more on= e-sided, more free-wheeling, ideological and political. And it didn't take = long. One of the first to gain popularity under the new rules was a new voi= ce out of California named Rush Limbaugh. Within a year or two of the new r= ules, Limbaugh's provocative denunciations of Democrats became a phenomenon= . Stations quickly began to pick up his syndicated show, and other conserva= tive names followed his lead. Being controversial seemed a plus.[15] Not all the changes, of course, were due to the Fairness Doctrine repeal. O= ther factors, such as the rise of FM radio, were at work. But, as documente= d by economists Thomas Hazlett and David W. Sosa, the regulatory change had= a substantial causal effect.[16] Government-Enforced "Balance" Many supporters of the Fairness Doctrine are concerned about this explosion= of information because they see it as the wrong kind of information. Many = are frankly concerned about the amount of "conservative" programming, espec= ially in talk radio, and would like to see a different balance. Certainly, conservative-oriented talk radio has been more successful than l= eft-leaning radio programming. But broadcasting is only one small part of t= oday's media universe, which includes not just radio and television broadca= sting but print, cable, and Internet sources. Conservatives have had no loc= k on opportunities, even in radio. Programming with a liberal bent, from Ma= rio Cuomo's show to Air America, has been given opportunities and will get = more. Moreover, arguments that the Fairness Doctrine is needed because certain ty= pes of media are too conservative, too negative, too partisan, or too anyth= ing actually strengthen the case against the regulation. Any law that is ta= rgeted at media based on the content of what is being said raises greater c= onstitutional concerns and is much less likely to pass constitutional muste= r--and for good reason. Regulating speech in order to alter its content is = exactly the sort of meddling that the First Amendment is meant to prohibit.= It is simply not the job of politicians to "correct" the mix of opinions b= eing expressed in the marketplace of ideas, even if--and especially if--the= y disagree with those opinions. Conclusion The Federal Communications Commission did the right thing 20 years ago in t= hrowing this unnecessary, counter-productive, and unwise restriction on spe= ech into the regulatory dustbin. It should be left there. To do otherwise w= ould be dangerous and obviously unconstitutional. [1]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free Speech," The American Conservat= ive, April 23, 2007, at http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_04_23/article3.ht= ml. [2]Quoted in Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, "Chilling the Internet? L= essons from FCC Regulation of Radio Broadcasting," Cato Institute Policy An= alysis No. 270, March 19, 1997. [3]See "Her Royal Fairness, The American Spectator, May 14, 2007, at http:/= /www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=3D11427. [4]For general background on the development of the rule, see Museum of Bro= adcast Communications, "Fairness Doctrine" at http://www.museum.tv/archives= /etv/F/htmlF/fairnessdoct/fairnessdoct.htm. [5]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free Speech," The American Conservat= ive, April 23, 2007, at http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_04_23/article3.ht= ml. [6]Ibid. [7]Red Lion v. FCC, 395 U.S. 367 (1969). [8]See, e.g.., William Van Alstyne, The Mobius Strip of the First Amendment= : Perspectives on Red Lion, 29 S. Carolina. L. Rev. 539, 547-48 (1978) (lis= ting many of the leading articles in the first decade after the decision) a= t http://eprints.law.duke.edu/archive/00000564/01/29_S._C._L._Rev._539_(197= 8-1979).pdf. [9]The agency had originally declined to consider the question of whether t= he rule was constitutional. In early 1987, however, a federal court held th= at the FCC could not enforce the doctrine unless it considered the constitu= tional objections. Meredith v. FCC, 809 F. 2d 863 (1987). [10]Syracuse Peace Council, 2 FCC Reports 5043 (1987). [11]Syracuse Peace Council, 867 F. 2d 654 (D.C. Cir. (1989)). [12]Many believe that due to these developments, combined with the longstan= ding legal criticism of the Red Lion case, were it to be reconsidered today= , it would be decided differently. A study published two years ago by the F= CC itself makes this case convincingly. See, John W. Berresford, "The Scarc= ity Rationale for Regulating Traditional Broadcasting: An Idea Whose Time H= as Passed," FCC Media Bureau Staff Research Paper, March 2005, at http://hr= aunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-257534A1.pdf. [13]See Adam D. Thierer, "The Media Cornucopia," City Journal, Spring 2007,= at http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_2_media.html. [14]Project on Excellence in Journalism, "The State of the News Media 2007:= An Annual Report on American Journalism, Talk Radio page, at http://www.st= ateofthenewsmedia.org/2007/narrative_radio_talk_radio.asp?cat=3D8&media=3D9= . [15]Project on Excellence in Journalism, "The State of the News Media 2007:= An Annual Report on American Journalism, Talk Radio page, at http://www.st= ateofthenewsmedia.org/2007/narrative_radio_talk_radio.asp?cat=3D8&media=3D9= . [16]Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, "Was the Fairness Doctrine a "Chil= ling Effect? Evidence from the Post-deregulation Radio Market," 26 Journal = of Legal Studies 279 (1997). Don -- "Amy Mousie" wrote: This is proof positive that the abolition of the Fairness Doctrine was a Bad Idea-- I can prove there are actually FEWER talk radio stations today, without the Fairness Doctrine than there were with: Just eliminate all the bird-fed takers ands see how many are left. Chances are, MUCH fewer than when the Fairness Doctrine was abolished. Now, tell me- Was that a good thing? Did it REALLY improve diversity of voices and ownership to abolish the Fairness Doctrine? I don't think it was, just as much as letting the RIAA have free reign over royalty fees that have driven many statiuons from broadcasting anything beyond bird-fed programming. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Yup, the "cookie-cutter" programs. One night I sat in Durand, MI, scanned > the dial, and found 11 stations carrying C2C, and over a dozen carrying ESPN...with a lousy car radio! My stomach nearly empties, too! G=20=20 >=20=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 14:42:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93016 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 21:42:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2008 21:42:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 21:42:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 67951 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2008 21:42:47 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:42:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:42:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <758532.67327.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=3t5L72b6RHoLsLc8ZZegt_ZnOjQJRwTJZl0l1SIlA5I X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Amy Mousie wrote: > > > At least when Clinton came in AM stereo was > > > chosen to be > > > C-QUAM. Republicans even screwed up AM stereo. > > > > > > Clinton had nothing to do with it. > > The decision was in February 1993- Under Clinton's > administration. > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ SO, AND YOUR POINT IS ??????????????????????? I SAID AND I REPEAT CLINTON HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. IT MAKES NOT A TWITTER IF IT WAS HIS ADMINISTRATION. *****HE***** HAD NO DECISION IN IT. Pedantic Powell From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Aug 03 18:12:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33030 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 01:12:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 01:12:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 01:12:52 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.213] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080803201247102630600010> for ; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:12:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002401c8f5cf$c2bc12c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <618932.63347.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <021601c8f29c$995d2ee0$d503fea9@stodd> <01b801c8f43e$6da15b20$d503fea9@stodd> <6D9CAD80-144C-4C0E-8D64-6D5348AE26E0@yahoo.com> <01af01c8f4e6$c9db3160$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:12:47 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ar3shuRbC42EvL-tdnHPiWsR-kWbRxdPYCbuYWeb7rAHqWFz97sN X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, you're too much. Very little of what you said wasn't either a fabrication or a half truth. Just the two I copied are a case in point. Valerie Plame had been a desk jockey for five years when she was supposedly "outed." The statute of limitations is four years. The UN ambassador was John Bolton, and if anything his appointment was probably the best thing W ever did. Bolton had the guts to tell the UN when they were wrong. Frankly I don't care if the world hates us because the petty potentates and kleptocrats of the UN remind me more of the bar room scene of Star Wars than a reasonable bunch of folks. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Outing of Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson Josh Bolten and his recess appointment as ambassador to the UN --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Aug 03 18:19:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87937 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 01:19:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 01:19:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 01:19:03 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.213] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080803201857100149900010> for ; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:18:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006001c8f5d0$9faee0e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:18:57 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Ya0-mDLgZHcO9_5suoRbUJybQuW3Q68ne4lQY-4b1gC5x7HYI9uU X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We never had more than one talker at a time in this area back then. I do remember some of the doozies they had on KSTP about the time I got canned- mornings had a radical libertarian, afternoons had a shrink with more problems than the people she was trying to help, and of course there was Larry King overnights, who I partially credit with my getting sacked. He was so boring I fell asleep during my shift. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I can prove there are actually FEWER talk radio stations today, without the Fairness Doctrine than there were with: Just eliminate all the bird-fed takers ands see how many are left. Chances are, MUCH fewer than when the Fairness Doctrine was abolished. Now, tell me- Was that a good thing? Did it REALLY improve diversity of voices and ownership to abolish the Fairness Doctrine? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Aug 03 18:24:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9770 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 01:24:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 01:24:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 01:24:56 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.213] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080803202432100800900010> for ; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:24:32 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008d01c8f5d1$674b0980$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:24:32 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=rmno_Ko63-Z_WXAKrknbF5E2qEISqGI6dXbwAVk7BgKi0Pn0FBQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kennedy used much the same tactics to turn the economy around as did the much hated Reagan. FDR might have inherited the depression, but his fickle economic policy actually prolonged it as it made investment impossible. Clinton inherited the boom from the Reagan/Bush 41 years. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie Funny, some said that of Kennedy- Yet, when Kennedy came to power, the US was still in a very bad recession that his predecessor, Eisenhower, presided over. In the 2 1/2 years he was in office, the US economy turned around to become the most profitable it had ever been to that time, a prosperity that wouldn't be seen until another Democrat came to power-- the dot-com boom during the Clinton years. Only one Democrat presided over a failed economy in the past 100 years- Carter. (FDR inherited the Depression, so it wasn't his fault, and tried to do everything he could to get people back to working, paying jobs.) --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Aug 03 18:41:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57474 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 01:41:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 01:41:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 01:41:47 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.213] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080803204138101895600015> for ; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:41:38 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <011f01c8f5d3$cbdb2360$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:41:38 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: OT- net neutrality X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=JWp6XuKoAgXMr-ywtwD710Ca7RKxEjx-k3ENxD3G0LcQ4vlyRssA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Powell- a few weeks ago you posted an article on Obama saying he was not in favor of reinstating the fairness doctrine. That same article said that he was in favor of net neutrality. Do you or anyone here really know what that's about? Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 18:49:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68138 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 01:49:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 01:49:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.92) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 01:49:30 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 01:49:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.146] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 01:49:29 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp204.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 01:49:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 968773.4977.bm@omp204.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 23333 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 01:49:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.144 with plain) by smtp103.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 01:49:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HImgiicVM1mZZRqXX.bKmc3ZxIDX8QrtU8W5BC8ncjjLe.WbP4XyV9PJxattyFXoq.oEzszeCArhhnZynGjlywPRSgtQsglXlKo3r5hi.PWHfBsKeeCyxLUqamRHmqu97g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <002401c8f5cf$c2bc12c0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <618932.63347.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <021601c8f29c$995d2ee0$d503fea9@stodd> <01b801c8f43e$6da15b20$d503fea9@stodd> <6D9CAD80-144C-4C0E-8D64-6D5348AE26E0@yahoo.com> <01af01c8f4e6$c9db3160$d503fea9@stodd> <002401c8f5cf$c2bc12c0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5512281F-187B-4EA1-8576-0BD73DE4236A@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:49:27 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=SCnvjNR0uRz2yj20PiCskbxftfjp8sSsviUo_q9WHe8s7WvU9w X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Very little of what you said wasn't either a fabrication or a half > truth. Just the two I copied are a case in point. I can say you will never stop covering up for the Republifreeks. You will keep the blinders on and apologize for them until the day you die. Keep your eyes closed and only listen to the stuff on Salem. You will be ok. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 18:50:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29398 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 01:50:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 01:50:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.92) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 01:50:39 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.28] by n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 01:50:39 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.110.140] by t1.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 01:50:39 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp210.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 01:50:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 143699.99336.bm@omp210.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 7427 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 01:50:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.144 with plain) by smtp113.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 01:50:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <006001c8f5d0$9faee0e0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <006001c8f5d0$9faee0e0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5EC3A3DB-D109-4E7F-B18F-E9E7993F8DD6@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:50:36 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=PF7cwzYGwnJxOZwGn9SkLr9KVTUyvlR99tin6KYWLK5QohVhpw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 3, 2008, at 8:18 PM, wrote: > Larry King overnights, who I partially credit with my getting > sacked. He was so boring I fell asleep during my shift. Mirabilis dictu! We agree!!!! Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 18:52:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51043 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 01:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 01:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.94) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 01:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 01:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.145] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 01:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp203.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 01:52:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 28914.38950.bm@omp203.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 95870 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 01:52:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.144 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 01:52:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0J_vKbUVM1kJLAbouDUsIx5o0lOfOK06nctz6CUUMFQL6lFDBcWy8dYSqdQhAzT728SeTn_TcjIPH_nXMmiU_DQzHtbb0El2FEhy89Ci9DS_.jR3xyyVVsklpyKcdHAmeA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <008d01c8f5d1$674b0980$d503fea9@stodd> References: <008d01c8f5d1$674b0980$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <55BA1172-466C-4CEF-9A9F-0366374EA829@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:52:53 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=_pSQ77np9jKYXzet2VVayp9JxQvn7mgTYWYeILVVWn-lwNNCvw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 3, 2008, at 8:24 PM, wrote: > Kennedy used much the same tactics to turn the economy around as > did the much hated Reagan. I never want to hear from a Republican saying, Obama is nothing but hot air, smoke and mirrors. Reagan was EXACTLY that kind of president and all the Republicans venerate him. I thought he was a goober but he gave me a big raise while I was in the Navy and I got to buy an AM stereo radio with the extra money. I have to give that to him. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 19:49:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60398 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 02:49:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 02:49:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 02:49:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1074 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 02:49:40 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.34] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:49:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 19:49:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <011f01c8f5d3$cbdb2360$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <915824.767.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- net neutrality X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=yGyFBKp7cyN3vmai5qkAOjf2wABM0jmxC3vUNL1iyp8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Not sure. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 8/3/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > Powell- a few weeks ago you posted an article on Obama > saying he was not in favor of reinstating the fairness > doctrine. That same article said that he was in favor of > net neutrality. Do you or anyone here really know what > that's about? > > Scott Todd > > > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 20:12:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16279 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 03:12:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 03:12:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 03:12:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 03:12:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 03:12:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:12:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.29 From: "jotape1960" Subject: C-QUAM Forum? Radio Forum? Political Forum? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=QMN0RqT9KbejsadNtpBJcFsk3Ym8LQoWBqSmfQe05iRGIzq1pg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! A humble opinion from a proud South American citizen: 1) The Radio system (AM, FM, mono, stereo, etc.) is a people=20 oriented service (music, talk, sport, etc.) 2) Unfortunately, the radio is ruled by laws and the laws are made=20 by... politicians (I discovered the wheel!!!) 3) The people live WITH the laws, too. It doesn't matter the people=20 thinks or needs, the laws show the politicians thoughts (not the=20 people thoughts). 4) This is a radio forum. So, everything about the people can be=20 here (because the radio is a people oriented service). Even the=20 political issues. 5) We still have a good amount of music AM stations here, in Chile,=20 AND I LOVE IT!!! I can't understand how in the most powerful country=20 of the world you aren't capable to have a "healthy" music AM. Why=20 not? At last, a technical question: Does somebody know if someone tested=20 the possibility to transmit C-QUAM and ISB at the same time, with=20 only one TX? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Aug 03 20:37:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55987 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 03:37:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 03:37:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.113) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 03:37:10 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 03:37:10 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 03:37:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 03:37:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:37:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008d01c8f5d1$674b0980$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.144.216.216 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=aOkIEFXpJAldZjbb20R72UGEr2bT5xKUKGCuUUdxvdrCxbE X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane If the economy is (was) good...It's whoever is in power.... Or....If the economy is bad, it is whoever is (was)in power... It's amazing how this is shifted back and forth..... Republicans can never give credit for a good economy to the Dems...and vice versa... Dems will always blame the Republicans for a bad economy, and not take the blame.... Look at the big picture....... I hope we can find some solutions to our problems and on another note..AM Stereo is still around..... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Kennedy used much the same tactics to turn the economy around as did the much hated Reagan. FDR might have inherited the depression, but his fickle economic policy actually prolonged it as it made investment impossible. Clinton inherited the boom from the Reagan/Bush 41 years. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Amy Mousie=20 >=20 > Funny, some said that of Kennedy- Yet, when Kennedy came to power, the > US was still in a very bad recession that his predecessor, Eisenhower, > presided over. In the 2 1/2 years he was in office, the US economy > turned around to become the most profitable it had ever been to that > time, a prosperity that wouldn't be seen until another Democrat came > to power-- the dot-com boom during the Clinton years. >=20 > Only one Democrat presided over a failed economy in the past 100 > years- Carter. (FDR inherited the Depression, so it wasn't his fault, > and tried to do everything he could to get people back to working, > paying jobs.) >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 21:07:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28871 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 04:07:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 04:07:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 04:07:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7820 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 04:07:39 -0000 X-Received: from [72.241.177.103] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:07:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:07:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <618368.7294.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re:New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=lRiAoZFGrRxDaDjZ210uMT2JqHJupfe-itYPMraunVTNkbBGm0tcKeU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Is there a 'right-hand' page for the TX11 schematic? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 21:12:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58666 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 04:12:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 04:12:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 04:12:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 43778 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 04:11:59 -0000 X-Received: from [72.241.177.103] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:11:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:11:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <676040.43670.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re:unmuting a Chrysler Infinity radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Sh8aCmMZXGurd_yqgia9EwQUNcxDhjKKEeuxFHa7MhN9KBTVzQUYqhw X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Scott, I believe that you only use the 'mute' to quiet the unit when you have a phonecall - I believe it should still output with no connection. However, I think SOME of the 'Infinity' units have the amps at the speakers, rather than in the 'head unit', so the output of the unit might be a 'low level' signal for the amplified speakers (I hate to say). Is your radio the standard unit with the grey connector and the black connector? What model? John From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 21:34:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1181 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 04:34:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 04:34:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 04:34:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58160 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 04:34:18 -0000 X-Received: from [72.241.177.103] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:34:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:34:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <361302.57275.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=rw76p9gwWqhtgbmB0pFtkE9fKM5adOHMGpYd3s2HFRWY4TqsO8zzpNY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kev wrote: "...There were voting irregularities in Ohio..." You're right about that. They shoved the 'special' Diebold touchscreen voting machines down our throats, courtesy of the GOP in Columbus, just in time for the 2004 election - and get this, they didn't have enought machines to go around here in 'blue' Toledo and in 'blue' Cleveland (2-3hr wait), but had a surplus of machines in the 'red' Southern Ohio. After every single state official was replaced in the last election (that's right, Governor on down kicked-out), all of these machines are gone, and millions wasted. The "gay marriage amendment" state-wide vote was a great way to force the GOP to the Ohio polls on election day 2004 too. So it was Richard Nixon, dirty tricks at their best, in Ohio, in 2004. Speaking of C-Quam, I think that there's only 2 stations I know of here anymore, and they sound great too. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 21:36:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44148 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 04:36:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 04:36:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 04:36:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 60231 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 04:36:15 -0000 X-Received: from [72.241.177.103] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:36:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:36:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <14914.59573.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=zcSLDsxeg23LVBO9K60OpRj_t6kPN7728Z_k6Layrn_7zXIzbNF-fT0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio What's a good list of Mexican border blaster frequencies to check for? From dav259@optusnet.com.au Sun Aug 03 21:41:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15459 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 04:41:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 04:41:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.188) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 04:41:37 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d122-104-70-209.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [122.104.70.209]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m744fZuf002738 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:41:36 +1000 To: Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:41:33 +1000 Message-ID: <004601c8f5ec$5f98de40$0301010a@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 thread-index: Acj1zzqVYUI2vPNDTC+rO6qo6r9+jwAFrX0g In-Reply-To: <002401c8f5cf$c2bc12c0$d503fea9@stodd> X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=U4ByU-zYint4HiPBqGUzvad4MQJ7K3eWxIE9MdtoGIrZ X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 From: Scott Todd > Frankly I don't care if the world hates us because the petty > potentates and kleptocrats of the UN remind me more of the > bar room scene of Star Wars than a reasonable bunch of folks. Scott ... Why don't you care if the world hates you? Hatred results in extremism and terrorism. Bush's policies (several of which would continue under McCain) have given the world a disastrously costly and unnecessary war (dollar wise to US citizens, life-wise to innocent Iraqis), torture, sedition, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, plus lying to the UN. Frankly, we citizens of the world expect better from our greatest ally ... and the country that we most try to emulate. Your Star Wars analogy could just as appropriately describe the shenanigans that have gone on in the White House between Bush, Rumsfeld, Rove, and the disreputable neocons who seemingly share your world view ... Stuff the world - We want to get off. America is the greatest country in the world. To remain No. 1 it needs to CHANGE! This is what Obama offers. On the AM stereo front, I doubt whether either the Democrats or Republicans are to blame. There are simply no votes in radio. The majority of listeners are tone deaf and will listen to anything as long as it's loud and clear. They care more about kitchen table issues ... and it's probably right. Still, it doesn't exonerate a series of pathetically bad decisions over a number of decades. If your situation is in any way similar to Australia's you can blame a lot of the AM stereo stations for hardly promoting it at all. And I will say this ... If America had have mandated C-quam sooner (as Australia did from AM stereo's inception) maybe it would have had a better chance. But both of America's major parties are beholden to the corporates and the "free enterprise" system that many other countries are wary of. There is a time and place for government regulation. And this was one of them. Ian Melbourne From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Aug 03 22:56:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92811 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 05:56:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 05:56:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.162) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 05:56:28 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 05:56:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 05:56:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 05:56:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:56:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <618368.7294.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.230.131 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re:New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=FvRzOonieLXu8knjQgMrHTCo2Z0Wh-OPXIlVDWea_vk X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > Is there a 'right-hand' page for the TX11 schematic? > Hi John=20 Meaning the TX11A (since the TX11 was only FM)? Yes there is one. Take=20 alook at the TX11A relative file:=20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/radios/ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 00:16:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66221 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 07:16:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 07:16:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.124) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 07:16:40 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 07:16:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 07:16:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 07:16:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:16:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.13.247 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: C-QUAM Forum? Radio Forum? Political Forum? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=8Txvh6I9WLK1c84cngXABeZ1UowssG68oROBwjXZ8Q3VFvY_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > At last, a technical question: Does somebody know if someone tested=20 > the possibility to transmit C-QUAM and ISB at the same time, with=20 > only one TX? Can't be done simultaneously- The L-R in the quadrature of one is the reverse audio polarity of that of the other. You can alternate between the two with the same TX, even the same board, with a minimal extra circuitry. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 04 01:50:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4131 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 08:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 08:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 08:50:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9592 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 08:50:35 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:50:35 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:50:35 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080803.140334.14214.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <731447.9430.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ExvdPY0MB09eberyCOMXohu80A8SF_9tMSnZVt3FgUAiASycFAG5 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just graduated my degree in broadcasting and we studied this.=A0 Many peo= ple get the Fairness Doctrine wrongly.=A0 It was basically designed to insu= re that both sides of a story were presented such as democrats and republic= ans would get equal time to present their ideas.=A0 Very unlike what we hav= e today where everything is dominated by republican cronies of the bush adm= inistration.=A0 I truly believe that any news or radio organization for tha= t matter is only worth its salt if it provides both sides equally.=A0 I don= 't believe all the hot air these republicans spew but I DO want to hear the= m and what they have to say.=A0 I would be against an all democrat run oper= ation too.=A0 I want both sides.=A0 I am educated enough to make up my own = mind.=A0 I don't need that one lop sided crap that we have today on republi= can crony radio.=A0 Fox news fair and balanced, yeah right!=A0 They are fai= r and balanced=A0 conservative and republican, thats the two sides you get = from those people.=A0 Anyone republican or democrat who wants to hear things on= e sided are just not well informed, educated, or open minded=A0for that mat= ter.=A0 I believe our whole system is based on checks and balances and I be= lieve the fairness doctrine as I studied it in college provided that checks= and balances system.=A0 I think we need more of that.=A0 From what I can t= ell its only republican folks who dominate talk radio that do not want the = fairness doctrine reinstated.=A0 Wonder why?=A0 Does it ever make you think= ?=A0 We've talked about local small town radio.=A0 Well there was tons more= of that in the days of the fairness doctrine than there are now.=A0 You ev= er wonder why?=A0 Do you not think rich corporate america wants to control = the airwaves?=A0 You see they are being controlled now by one side.=A0 Rich= corporate republican types who do not care for the working man.=A0 Sure th= ey wanted the fairness doctrine taken away, that way they could spew their = one sided views on everything.=A0 They could buy up all the stations and the h= ell with any other views, they didn't have to present them once the fairnes= s doctrine was taken away.=A0 Too many people don't understand this.=A0 It'= s simple.=A0 It was placed so that both sides could be heard equally.=A0 I = remember growing up when it was in place.=A0 I used to like hearing both si= des.=A0 To me its sad that we don't get both sides now.=A0 Think folks! =A0 -Kevin --- On Sun, 8/3/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 5:03 PM Regulating speech in order to alter its content is exactly the sort of medd= ling that the First Amendment is meant to prohibit. Should the fairness doctrine be reinstated, the possibility of a challenge = even if the challenge ultimately failed, the cost of defending against it c= ould be substantial to the extent that I would cancel all talk programming = from my stations. I don't know what available programming would attract the= demographic audience that my customers demand. It just may mean that my in= vestment value could be radically diminished and a distressed property sale= may be the result. Fortunately I purchased these sticks as "distressed pro= perty" in the mid 80's so I may not suffer much of a loss. It's time for me= to retire anyway.=20 Policy discussion on the airwaves for decades was, for the most part, as bl= and as cottage cheese. In practice, the so-called fairness doctrine was dee= ply unfair. Restricting free speech and government controls on media content is anathem= a to our constitutional guarantees of free speech. Stalinists, of course, d= o not agree. History always proves them wrong: "Our massive strategy was to use the Fairness Doctrine to challenge and har= ass right-wing broadcasters and hope the challenges would be so costly to t= hem that they would be inhibited and decide it was too expensive to continu= e." --Bill Ruder, Democratic campaign consultant and Assistant Secretary of Com= merce, Kennedy Administration[ 1] "The main thing is the Post is going to have damnable, damnable problems ou= t of [its Watergate coverage]. They have a television station...and they ar= e going to have to get it renewed." --President Richard Nixon[2] Should the federal government mandate "fairness" in broadcasting? "Yes," sa= y some Members of Congress, including Speaker of the House Nancy Pols, who = reportedly said this week that House leaders would "aggressively pursue" le= gislation to reinstate the "Fairness Doctrine."[3] Until it was abolished i= n 1987, this Federal Communications Commission rule required broadcasters t= o air all sides of controversial issues. At first glance, the rule may sound innocuous. Fairness is, after all, a ba= sic American value. But as a matter of principle, any such government contr= ols on media content is anathema to constitutional guarantees of free speec= h. And in practice, the so-called fairness doctrine was deeply unfair. Dulling Down Broadcasting Rather than foster full and fair discussion of public issues, the real effe= ct of the Fairness Doctrine was to discourage discussion of controversial i= ssues of any kind. It's no coincidence that such media as talk radio--virtu= ally non-existent while the rule was in place--flowered after its repeal. R= ather than the vast wasteland of bland muzak-like discussion it was before,= broadcasting- - especially radio--has become a platform for vibrant and co= ntroversial debate on countless issues. The Fairness Doctrine was developed by the FCC over a long period, based on= its broad authority under the Communications Act to regulate the airwaves.= The rule was first articulated in 1949, when television was in its infancy= and radio meant a handful of AM stations in each market. In its final form= , the rule required broadcasters to "afford reasonable opportunity for disc= ussion of contrasting points of view on controversial matters of public imp= ortance." [4] The vagueness of the standard left quite a bit of uncertainty. What is a "r= easonable" opportunity? How many "contrasting" views? Station managers whos= e programming ventured too far into controversial subjects could quite easi= ly find themselves subject to a fairness doctrine challenge. And even if th= e challenge ultimately failed, the cost of defending against it could be su= bstantial. So the safe route for most was to stay far away from controversy= . As a result, policy discussion on the airwaves for decades was, for the m= ost part, as bland as cottage cheese. Political Abuse This "chilling" effect was exacerbated by political abuse of the system. Po= liticians of both parties used the doctrine to further their political ends= . Political strategists for Kennedy and Johnson, for example, consciously u= sed the Fairness Doctrine to cow political opponents. According to statemen= ts from party activists, there was an explicit strategy to raise the cost o= f critical programming, and thus get it dropped entirely. "Perhaps...our ta= ctics were too aggressive," one party operative is quoted as saying, "but w= e were up against ultra-right preachers who were saying vicious things abou= t Kennedy and Johnson."[5] The political use of the Fairness Doctrine was brought to new heights by Pr= esident Richard Nixon. According to Jesse Walker of Reason magazine, "priva= te activists directed by the Republican National Committee regularly filed = Fairness Doctrine challenges against stations whose reporting angered the W= hite House."[6] Demise of the Fairness Doctrine The constitutionality of the Fairness Doctrine was challenged in the 1969 c= ase Red Lion v. FCC[7], involving a religious broadcaster who was fined by = the FCC for not providing a person criticized on the air an opportunity to = reply. The Supreme Court upheld the rule, reasoning that because broadcast = frequencies were scarce, the government may intervene in broadcast media in= ways that would not be allowed toward traditional media, such as newspaper= s. The decision in Red Lion, however, has been subject to intense criticism.[8= ] And in 1987, the FCC rescinded the Fairness Doctrine, finding it to be co= ntrary to the Constitution as well as bad policy.[9] In its landmark decisi= on, the Commission wrote: We believe that the role of the electronic press in our society is the same= as that of the printed press. Both are sources of information and viewpoin= t. Accordingly, the reasons for proscribing government intrusion into the e= ditorial discretion of print journalists provide the same basis for proscri= bing such interference into the editorial discretion of broadcast journalis= ts. [10] The FCC's decision to rescind the doctrine was later upheld by a federal ap= peals court. In so doing, however, the court did not pass judgment on the c= onstitutionality of the rule and instead relied on the FCC's policy finding= s that it did not serve the public interest.[11] Red Lion is still formally in place. But in years since, the basic "spectru= m scarcity" rationale of Red Lion (and thus the constitutionality of fairne= ss rules) has become ever weaker. Not only have new broadcast frequencies- = -such as the UHF television and FM radio bands--been put into use, but enti= rely new systems such as cable TV and satellite radio have been created, of= fering consumers hundreds of channels when before they only had a handful.[= 12] And the Internet has made notions of scarcity almost meaningless. [13] At the same time, broadcasters- -especially radio broadcasters- -became muc= h more willing to air controversial points of view, in large part because o= f the repeal of the FCC's fairness rule. Most notably, talk radio, which ha= d been a relatively rare format, exploded in scope and popularity. In 1990,= there were some 400 stations with a talk show format nationwide. By 2006, = there were more than 1,400 stations devoted entirely to talk formats.[14] P= rogramming shed its cottage cheese-like character, as controversial new hos= ts, such as Rush Limbaugh, gained airtime and the freedom to express strong= opinions and views without fear of regulatory reprisal. According to the P= roject for Excellence in Journalism: With the [Fairness] Doctrine's repeal, radio shows could become more one-si= ded, more free-wheeling, ideological and political. And it didn't take long= . One of the first to gain popularity under the new rules was a new voice o= ut of California named Rush Limbaugh. Within a year or two of the new rules= , Limbaugh's provocative denunciations of Democrats became a phenomenon. St= ations quickly began to pick up his syndicated show, and other conservative= names followed his lead. Being controversial seemed a plus.[15] Not all the changes, of course, were due to the Fairness Doctrine repeal. O= ther factors, such as the rise of FM radio, were at work. But, as documente= d by economists Thomas Hazlett and David W. Sosa, the regulatory change had= a substantial causal effect.[16] Government-Enforced "Balance" Many supporters of the Fairness Doctrine are concerned about this explosion= of information because they see it as the wrong kind of information. Many = are frankly concerned about the amount of "conservative" programming, espec= ially in talk radio, and would like to see a different balance. Certainly, conservative- oriented talk radio has been more successful than = left-leaning radio programming. But broadcasting is only one small part of = today's media universe, which includes not just radio and television broadc= asting but print, cable, and Internet sources. Conservatives have had no lo= ck on opportunities, even in radio. Programming with a liberal bent, from M= ario Cuomo's show to Air America, has been given opportunities and will get= more. Moreover, arguments that the Fairness Doctrine is needed because certain ty= pes of media are too conservative, too negative, too partisan, or too anyth= ing actually strengthen the case against the regulation. Any law that is ta= rgeted at media based on the content of what is being said raises greater c= onstitutional concerns and is much less likely to pass constitutional muste= r--and for good reason. Regulating speech in order to alter its content is = exactly the sort of meddling that the First Amendment is meant to prohibit.= It is simply not the job of politicians to "correct" the mix of opinions b= eing expressed in the marketplace of ideas, even if--and especially if--the= y disagree with those opinions. Conclusion The Federal Communications Commission did the right thing 20 years ago in t= hrowing this unnecessary, counter-productive, and unwise restriction on spe= ech into the regulatory dustbin. It should be left there. To do otherwise w= ould be dangerous and obviously unconstitutional. [1]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free Speech," The American Conservat= ive, April 23, 2007, at http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ article3= . html. [2]Quoted in Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, "Chilling the Internet? L= essons from FCC Regulation of Radio Broadcasting, " Cato Institute Policy A= nalysis No. 270, March 19, 1997. [3]See "Her Royal Fairness, The American Spectator, May 14, 2007, at http:/= /www.spectato r.org/dsp_ article.asp? art_id=3D11427. [4]For general background on the development of the rule, see Museum of Bro= adcast Communications, "Fairness Doctrine" at http://www.museum. tv/archive= s/ etv/F/htmlF/ fairnessdoct/ fairnessdoct. htm. [5]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free Speech," The American Conservat= ive, April 23, 2007, at http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ article3= . html. [6]Ibid. [7]Red Lion v. FCC, 395 U.S. 367 (1969). [8]See, e.g.., William Van Alstyne, The Mobius Strip of the First Amendment= : Perspectives on Red Lion, 29 S. Carolina. L. Rev. 539, 547-48 (1978) (lis= ting many of the leading articles in the first decade after the decision) a= t http://eprints. law.duke. edu/archive/ 00000564/ 01/29_S._ C._L._Rev. _53= 9_(1978-1979). pdf. [9]The agency had originally declined to consider the question of whether t= he rule was constitutional. In early 1987, however, a federal court held th= at the FCC could not enforce the doctrine unless it considered the constitu= tional objections. Meredith v. FCC, 809 F. 2d 863 (1987). [10]Syracuse Peace Council, 2 FCC Reports 5043 (1987). [11]Syracuse Peace Council, 867 F. 2d 654 (D.C. Cir. (1989)). [12]Many believe that due to these developments, combined with the longstan= ding legal criticism of the Red Lion case, were it to be reconsidered today= , it would be decided differently. A study published two years ago by the F= CC itself makes this case convincingly. See, John W. Berresford, "The Scarc= ity Rationale for Regulating Traditional Broadcasting: An Idea Whose Time H= as Passed," FCC Media Bureau Staff Research Paper, March 2005, at http://hr= aunfoss. fcc.gov/edocs_ public/attachmat ch/DOC-257534A1. pdf. [13]See Adam D. Thierer, "The Media Cornucopia," City Journal, Spring 2007,= at http://www.city- journal.org/ html/17_2_ media.html. [14]Project on Excellence in Journalism, "The State of the News Media 2007:= An Annual Report on American Journalism, Talk Radio page, at http://www.st= ateoft henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ radio_talk_ radio.asp? cat=3D8&med= ia=3D 9. [15]Project on Excellence in Journalism, "The State of the News Media 2007:= An Annual Report on American Journalism, Talk Radio page, at http://www.st= ateoft henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ radio_talk_ radio.asp? cat=3D8&med= ia=3D 9. [16]Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, "Was the Fairness Doctrine a "Chil= ling Effect? Evidence from the Post-deregulation Radio Market," 26 Journal = of Legal Studies 279 (1997). Don -- "Amy Mousie" wrote: This is proof positive that the abolition of the Fairness Doctrine was a Bad Idea-- I can prove there are actually FEWER talk radio stations today, without the Fairness Doctrine than there were with: Just eliminate all the bird-fed takers ands see how many are left. Chances are, MUCH fewer than when the Fairness Doctrine was abolished. Now, tell me- Was that a good thing? Did it REALLY improve diversity of voices and ownership to abolish the Fairness Doctrine? I don't think it was, just as much as letting the RIAA have free reign over royalty fees that have driven many statiuons from broadcasting anything beyond bird-fed programming. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, george russell wrote= : > > Yup, the "cookie-cutter" programs. One night I sat in Durand, MI, scanned > the dial, and found 11 stations carrying C2C, and over a dozen carrying ESPN...with a lousy car radio! My stomach nearly empties, too! G=20 >=20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 04 01:52:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18615 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 08:52:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 08:52:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 08:52:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10539 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 08:52:02 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:52:02 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:52:02 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <011f01c8f5d3$cbdb2360$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <285378.10205.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- net neutrality X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=HmpfADe5mjRym_Qk2hymGc9FouIAenrZkVUF9hgDWAVfK47eBwsN X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Obama's problem is that he's trying to please everyone, you can't do that.= =A0 It never works. =A0 =A0 --- On Sun, 8/3/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote= : From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: {AMSF} OT- net neutrality To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 9:41 PM Powell- a few weeks ago you posted an article on Obama saying he was not in= favor of reinstating the fairness doctrine. That same article said that he= was in favor of net neutrality. Do you or anyone here really know what tha= t's about? Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 02:21:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58122 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 09:21:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 09:21:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 09:21:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 09:21:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 09:21:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 09:21:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <731447.9430.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.13.247 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=-DGGOJMB-iqVMpPvhoFEZRscoI8mkyGYXgkoQ2pw4b9W7M7X X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie Thank you, clemsonbloke! (There are WAY TOO MANY Kevins to keep track of around here!) This is precisely why I've always been a supporter of the Fairness Doctrine- It actually ensures DIVERSITY of thoughts and opinions in the open market known as DEMOCRACY. I, too, don't want lopsided rhetoric from EITHER the Left or Right. One big-market station I do know that has continued to operate as if the Fairness Doctrine had still been in place is KGO-AM 810 of San Francisco, who have a very diverse stable of talkshow hosts (ALL local!), and have now enjoyed 30 YEARS as the #1 radio station in the San Francisco Bay Area, and its General Manager, Michael "Mickey" Luckoff, has been inducted into the National Radio Hall of Fame for his 40+ years at the helm of KGO, and doing what radio SHOULD be doing, talk or otherwise: SERVING THE COMMUNITY! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke wrote: > > I just graduated my degree in broadcasting and we studied this.=A0 Many people get the Fairness Doctrine wrongly.=A0 It was basically designed to insure that both sides of a story were presented such as democrats and republicans would get equal time to present their ideas.=A0 Very unlike what we have today where everything is dominated by republican cronies of the bush administration.=A0 I truly believe that any news or radio organization for that matter is only worth its salt if it provides both sides equally.=A0 I don't believe all the hot air these republicans spew but I DO want to hear them and what they have to say.=A0 I would be against an all democrat run operation too.=A0 I want both sides.=A0 I am educated enough to make up my own mind.=A0 I don't need that one lop sided crap that we have today on republican crony radio.=A0 Fox news fair and balanced, yeah right!=A0 They are fair and balanced=A0 conservative and republican, thats the two sides you get from > those people.=A0 Anyone republican or democrat who wants to hear things one sided are just not well informed, educated, or open minded=A0for that matter.=A0 I believe our whole system is based on checks and balances and I believe the fairness doctrine as I studied it in college provided that checks and balances system.=A0 I think we need more of that.=A0 From what I can tell its only republican folks who dominate talk radio that do not want the fairness doctrine reinstated.=A0 Wonder why?=A0 Does it ever make you think?=A0 We've talked about local small town radio.=A0 Well there was tons more of that in the days of the fairness doctrine than there are now.=A0 You ever wonder why?=A0 Do you not think rich corporate america wants to control the airwaves?=A0 You see they are being controlled now by one side.=A0 Rich corporate republican types who do not care for the working man.=A0 Sure they wanted the fairness doctrine taken away, that way they could spew their one > sided views on everything.=A0 They could buy up all the stations and the hell with any other views, they didn't have to present them once the fairness doctrine was taken away.=A0 Too many people don't understand this.=A0 It's simple.=A0 It was placed so that both sides could be heard equally.=A0 I remember growing up when it was in place.=A0 I used to like hearing both sides.=A0 To me its sad that we don't get both sides now.=A0 Think folks! From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 04 05:31:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26810 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 12:31:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 12:31:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 12:31:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 74437 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 12:31:13 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:31:12 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:31:12 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <94796.74055.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=kKMw7IeHZn5XDZOiAj5Fy9fuRmZFqEebCk8GoRfR4OxczCRA9qD9 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Amy, =A0 Thanks.=A0 Well it is true that many people wrongly interpret what the fair= ness doctrine is about.=A0 It is usually because they do not read what it w= as actually about and draw premature conclusions.=A0 I think that whether y= ou are a democrat or republican that you must support both sides of an issu= e being presented.=A0 As I said the fairness doctrine supports a sort of "c= hecks and balances" system.=A0 It insures that both sides of a story are pr= esented with equal time on the air.=A0 Why anyone would not want things pre= sented fairly from both sides is beyond me.=A0 I myself do tend to lean dem= ocrat in thought but I don't claim allegiance to any party because I have s= een good and bad in both.=A0 In recent years what we've seen is a new more = radical form of both democrat and republicans.=A0 It's not your grandfather= s brand of politicians!=A0 One thing I see these days are gross misundersta= ndings of voters.=A0 Believe it or not i've known folks that support a part= y that doesn't even support their own beliefs or lifestyle.=A0 For instance,= gay republicans...how in the world do you get that??!=A0 Uhh aren't republ= icans against gay rights and marriage?=A0 Geez already!=A0 I have though se= en people like that support republicans.=A0 That is just one example.=A0 Th= ere are other examples from many different types of people but my point her= e is people do not even know what they believe let alone know what a party'= s philosophy is about.=A0 This is precisely why the Fairness Doctrine needs= to be re-introduced.=A0 Both sides need to be shown so that people can lea= rn where they stand on issues and with whom.=A0 The problem with many thing= s today is education.=A0 Only about 25% of americans hold a Bachelors degre= e and with advanced degrees it's an even lower percentage.=A0 This is a hig= h school educated nation but we are in the 21st century and that just simpl= y isn't enough these days.=A0 I think though that in the past a high school education was better than it is now.=A0 I see too many kids these days tha= t can't point Vietnam or the UK out on a map.=A0 They have no sense of geog= raphy.=A0 Whats more is there is very little interest in history and you as= k a kid today when the vietnam war was and what it was fought for and they = cannot tell you.=A0 That is still considered recent history.=A0 It certainl= y isn't ancient history.=A0 The fairness doctrine can at least educate peop= le on both sides of an issue.=A0 I just think its a step in the right direc= tion.=A0 The sad thing though, and I believe someone mentioned this, but to= days kids don't really listen to the radio therefore what do we make of thi= s and the fairness doctrine?=A0 From my research though i've found that kid= s do listen to the radio but its mostly lower income kids who cannot afford= an MP3 player let alone a computer to download and purchase the files with= .=A0 Now those kids do listen to the radio because it is a cheaper form of entertainment and is readily available.=A0 Perhaps those lower income kids= then may be more educated on at least their politics shoudl the fairness d= octrine be re-introduced! =A0 -Kevin (ClemsonBloke) --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Amy Mousie wrote: From: Amy Mousie Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:21 AM Thank you, clemsonbloke! (There are WAY TOO MANY Kevins to keep track of around here!) This is precisely why I've always been a supporter of the Fairness Doctrine- It actually ensures DIVERSITY of thoughts and opinions in the open market known as DEMOCRACY. I, too, don't want lopsided rhetoric from EITHER the Left or Right. One big-market station I do know that has continued to operate as if the Fairness Doctrine had still been in place is KGO-AM 810 of San Francisco, who have a very diverse stable of talkshow hosts (ALL local!), and have now enjoyed 30 YEARS as the #1 radio station in the San Francisco Bay Area, and its General Manager, Michael "Mickey" Luckoff, has been inducted into the National Radio Hall of Fame for his 40+ years at the helm of KGO, and doing what radio SHOULD be doing, talk or otherwise: SERVING THE COMMUNITY! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, clemsonbloke wrote: > > I just graduated my degree in broadcasting and we studied this.=A0 Many people get the Fairness Doctrine wrongly.=A0 It was basically designed to insure that both sides of a story were presented such as democrats and republicans would get equal time to present their ideas.=A0 Very unlike what we have today where everything is dominated by republican cronies of the bush administration.=A0 I truly believe that any news or radio organization for that matter is only worth its salt if it provides both sides equally.=A0 I don't believe all the hot air these republicans spew but I DO want to hear them and what they have to say.=A0 I would be against an all democrat run operation too.=A0 I want both sides.=A0 I am educated enough to make up my own mind.=A0 I don't need that one lop sided crap that we have today on republican crony radio.=A0 Fox news fair and balanced, yeah right!=A0 They are fair and balanced=A0 conservative and republican, thats the two sides you get from > those people.=A0 Anyone republican or democrat who wants to hear things one sided are just not well informed, educated, or open minded=A0for that matter.=A0 I believe our whole system is based on checks and balances and I believe the fairness doctrine as I studied it in college provided that checks and balances system.=A0 I think we need more of that.=A0 From what I can tell its only republican folks who dominate talk radio that do not want the fairness doctrine reinstated.=A0 Wonder why?=A0 Does it ever make you think?=A0 We've talked about local small town radio.=A0 Well there was tons more of that in the days of the fairness doctrine than there are now.=A0 You ever wonder why?=A0 Do you not think rich corporate america wants to control the airwaves?=A0 You see they are being controlled now by one side.=A0 Rich corporate republican types who do not care for the working man.=A0 Sure they wanted the fairness doctrine taken away, that way they could spew their one > sided views on everything.=A0 They could buy up all the stations and the hell with any other views, they didn't have to present them once the fairness doctrine was taken away.=A0 Too many people don't understand this.=A0 It's simple.=A0 It was placed so that both sides could be heard equally.=A0 I remember growing up when it was in place.=A0 I used to like hearing both sides.=A0 To me its sad that we don't get both sides now.=A0 Think folks! =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Aug 04 05:40:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96333 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 12:40:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 12:40:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.28) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 12:40:42 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so1071794ywt.33 for ; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:40:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.181.7 with SMTP id d7mr8202477ybf.249.1217853641707; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.113? ( [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k49sm7597988rnd.14.2008.08.04.05.40.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <387665.88254.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 16:46:24 -0400 References: <387665.88254.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.28 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WCSZ 1070 Back On Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=-_7iqrjJZZlMu-XkbRX8W-FuNA31lCWdsU7HdmAeRjbUAh3u4IWc9LIy-WmT9A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 2, 2008, at 10:33 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Well bless the man. Hopefully someone will do something like that > again but I doubt it. Would be nice if they did. Bill Love vowed to get even and "Burry" Metromedia and WFBC when they canned him. He did on WMYI "My 102.5". Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Aug 04 05:40:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73153 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 12:40:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 12:40:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 12:40:45 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so989567ywk.56 for ; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:40:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.199.21 with SMTP id w21mr3883524ybf.199.1217853644803; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.113? ( [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k49sm7597988rnd.14.2008.08.04.05.40.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <40D5F12D-97D8-4C5D-8857-1EBC7DE84B28@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <843335.60988.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 16:47:26 -0400 References: <843335.60988.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=Q7KpR58_etxgyNEi5JE_qXm2SxLrRZgfb394euo2PIeKH4iHXgK3whzLQjFygQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 1, 2008, at 4:01 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > I have NEVER heard XERF here. 800 is a jumble down in Silverstreet. You need a good loop. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Aug 04 05:40:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96713 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 12:40:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 12:40:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.156) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 12:40:46 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so108388yxh.24 for ; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:40:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.146.18 with SMTP id y18mr1240917ybn.162.1217853646164; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.113? ( [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k49sm7597988rnd.14.2008.08.04.05.40.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <98EA74F3-91AF-4DB7-BFCE-D97BA11832D0@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <774761.55957.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 16:52:14 -0400 References: <774761.55957.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.156 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=HX-DBSAvUyg5IxMw5Zn4syKoHA4qXeKIr7a0FHlXCmU6V_-J-ly1mpy0AkQ7iQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 3, 2008, at 2:35 AM, george russell wrote: > Oh Yeah! "Rock and roll from the West Pole"! Yup, the were darn > kewl, Many of us wish somebody would crank up one of those Border Blasters with kewl programming. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 06:24:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45290 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 13:24:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 13:24:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 13:24:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29153 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 13:24:46 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.132] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:24:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 06:24:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <40D5F12D-97D8-4C5D-8857-1EBC7DE84B28@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <873855.28973.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=4Fw_bHshffrxOnln1G7c3LUseoUZhFq5UTChtEvfOeE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > > > I have NEVER heard XERF here. 800 is a jumble down in > Silverstreet. > > You need a good loop. The Radio Shack and Terk loop don't help. There are too many cheaters on 1570 and a good bit of stations have night power on 800 that used to be daytimers. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 06:40:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97689 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 13:40:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 13:40:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 13:40:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 84213 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 13:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.132] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:40:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 06:40:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004601c8f5ec$5f98de40$0301010a@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <704940.83742.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=oHWfZCobFCG3C2VTWKM049YbRjz9dwjcGxL-RVdB0i8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Ian Davidson wrote: > > > Frankly I don't care if the world hates us because > the petty > > potentates and kleptocrats of the UN remind me more of > the > > bar room scene of Star Wars than a reasonable bunch of > folks. > > Scott ... Why don't you care if the world hates you? > Hatred results in extremism and terrorism. It was ans is already here and there. > Bush's policies (several of which would continue under > McCain) have given > the world a disastrously costly and unnecessary war (dollar > wise to US > citizens, life-wise to innocent Iraqis), torture, sedition, > Abu Ghraib, > Guantanamo Bay, plus lying to the UN. McCain's policies are not the same as Bush. They don't like each other very well. > Frankly, we citizens of the world expect better from our > greatest ally ... > and the country that we most try to emulate. NO, being a hard core lefist is not what we want to be with loss of freedom of speech like these countries that whine about us. > Your Star Wars analogy could just as appropriately describe > the shenanigans > that have gone on in the White House between Bush, > Rumsfeld, Rove, and the > disreputable neocons who seemingly share your world view > ... Stuff the > world - We want to get off. There you go with name calling. I am waiting for the Nitler analogy. By the way Hitler and the NAZI party were socialists. So then also I can then call you a neocom? > America is the greatest country in the world. To remain > No. 1 it needs to > CHANGE! This is what Obama offers. Become a socialist one party state like Venezuela? Powell From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 06:50:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93691 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 13:50:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 13:50:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n23b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.142) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 13:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n23.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 13:50:34 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.64] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 13:50:34 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp416.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 13:50:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 633270.5135.bm@omp416.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 62008 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 13:50:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.144 with plain) by smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 13:50:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nLdT24UVM1nZnSrJXWDHspLHEqezLM7P5x0qdTT7JC2gJMs2bvXx_5YTwjkcqw3.ZKsFqHgma.VO.wl_Mham5skgqKW5BMmEMVetHmZZ X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <14914.59573.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <14914.59573.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0730572E-A5EC-46CE-87F3-5FF5C787D97C@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:50:32 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=j9HTjZjglWbapqp24IAKHhSH4OS6RgIN5EzDFY5Ct0A5bHJ8iw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > What's a good list of Mexican border blaster frequencies to check for? 690 XETRA Tijuana, Baja California del Norte 77 kW 730 XEX Mexico, Distrito Federal 100 kW 800 XEROK Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua 150 kW 900 XEW Mexico, Distrito Federal 250 kW 1050 XEG Monterrey, Nuevo Leon 100 kW 1220 XEB Mexico, Distrito Federal 100 kW 1570 XERF Ciudad Acuna, Chihuahua 250 kW These are authorized powers. Most are transmitting with lower power these days as fewer and fewer people are listening to AM all over the world. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 06:59:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69198 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 13:59:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 13:59:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 13:59:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 97090 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 13:59:41 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.132] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:59:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 06:59:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <565061.24477.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=diwE4iv8ce8YK6aq1dhOCSwN1bgb66jMpkMnHrKH0H0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Amy Mousie wrote: > Thank you, clemsonbloke! (There are WAY TOO MANY Kevins to > keep track > of around here!) This is precisely why I've always been > a supporter of > the Fairness Doctrine- It actually ensures DIVERSITY of > thoughts and > opinions in the open market known as DEMOCRACY. I, too, > don't want > lopsided rhetoric from EITHER the Left or Right. Now that is a lie. The old Fairness Doctine did no such thing. It was used policitally by BOTH parties to stifle talk and ideas. Now, of course the new one would be specifically written to close down talk radio. So much has been admitted in hushed circles. > One big-market station I do know that has continued to > operate as if > the Fairness Doctrine had still been in place is KGO-AM 810 > of San > Francisco, who have a very diverse stable of talkshow hosts > (ALL > local!), and have now enjoyed 30 YEARS as the #1 radio > station in the > San Francisco Bay Area, and its General Manager, Michael > "Mickey" > Luckoff, has been inducted into the National Radio Hall of > Fame for > his 40+ years at the helm of KGO, and doing what radio > SHOULD be > doing, talk or otherwise: SERVING THE COMMUNITY! That's not what I have heard. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 07:09:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25368 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 14:09:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 14:09:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 14:09:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4833 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 14:09:32 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.132] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:09:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 07:09:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0730572E-A5EC-46CE-87F3-5FF5C787D97C@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <772090.4617.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=hgjZZZgOsdey9PHJ0gri5elN4fWs1tA7QrgASgHk_X0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net And the Rio Treaty negates all authorizations over 100 KW. The Rio Treaty allows ALL North American countries to run up to 100 KW but unwisely the US and Canada only allow 50. Kevin, is the Spanish radio list still there that you moderate? If so that question could be asked. I don't have the address in my book. Powell --- On Mon, 8/4/08, kevin redding wrote: > 690 XETRA Tijuana, Baja California del Norte 77 kW > 730 XEX Mexico, Distrito Federal 100 kW > 800 XEROK Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua 150 kW > 900 XEW Mexico, Distrito Federal 250 kW > 1050 XEG Monterrey, Nuevo Leon 100 kW > 1220 XEB Mexico, Distrito Federal 100 kW > 1570 XERF Ciudad Acuna, Chihuahua 250 kW > > These are authorized powers. Most are transmitting with > lower power > these days as fewer and fewer people are listening to AM > all over the world. > From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 07:15:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60619 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 14:15:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 14:15:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 14:15:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44767 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 14:15:11 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.132] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:15:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 07:15:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <731447.9430.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <664919.44270.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: A long time sport voice silenced X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=KpHaHSmNaCl_lFa8V_PT4iS4No2KhqkUed8bocziW8I X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Skip Caray, long time announcer for the Braves died in his sleep. He was 68. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 07:17:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92104 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 14:17:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 14:17:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.134) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 14:17:00 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 14:17:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 14:17:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 14:17:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:16:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002401c8f5cf$c2bc12c0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.175.225.140 From: "ai9e_qrp" Subject: Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=241001136; y=JsfLKSAziqElJIjwb3h2ubxpFLglFtFSOXF2vBApJbWc6hQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ai9e_qrp I too would like to keep the political content out of this group. Far=20 too much credit/blame is attributed to the political party of the=20 president in office, far too little to the party of the Congress who=20 propose and approve the spending and laws the President must sign or=20 veto. Personally, I think our political system is too broke to fix.=20=20 McCain will be status quo hell-in-a-handbasket. Obama will be hell-in- a-V8-Hemi-powered-handbasket. Yes, he will bring change, just like=20 Gorbachev did to the USSR, which no longer exists as a political=20 entity. So that is why this conservative supports Obama. That said, as a group devoted to broadcasting in general and AM Stero=20 in particular, our criticism needs to go toward the FCC, who has=20 whored out our radio and TV spectrum to the highest bidder,=20 consistantly and shortsightedly, for the past 20+ years. From rwagoner@cox.net Mon Aug 04 08:45:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90047 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 15:45:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 15:45:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao106.cox.net) (68.230.241.40) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 15:45:43 -0000 X-Received: from fed1rmimpo03.cox.net ([70.169.32.75]) by fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080804154544.DKJQ28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:45:44 -0400 X-Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id yFli1Z00Y1sYu8404Flj7M; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:45:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <731447.9430.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <731447.9430.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <20B78B6B-DC1F-46D7-8787-4FC153C7BA44@cox.net> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:45:41 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.40 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=lAOncdghxHJuWUyYS7LJj2_eUr4LzUzdbAo2xhBK2UQD3imAQM9YYGIznrpG X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And very unlike television, newspapers, public radio and cable news which are dominated by democrat cronies. I always find it interesting that liberals are soooo concerned about conservative talk radio (which isn't truly much of a ratings success outside of a FEW shows) and think that the other media is fine as it is ... totally liberal biases and all . On Aug 4, 2008, at 1:50 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Very unlike what we have today where everything is dominated by > republican cronies of the bush administration. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 08:54:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44389 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 15:54:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 15:54:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.49) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 15:54:33 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n30.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 15:54:32 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 15:54:32 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 15:54:28 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.241] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 15:54:28 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 15:54:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 495993.73944.bm@omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 5294 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 15:54:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.144 with plain) by smtp123.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 15:54:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: q0BLt_sVM1mW9jhuT0VHOrCsb.3M.Tce4cUl7M9g5lXMp2gLapQQ8Bd6T4KmzKxJ0RJcheNWw6_VwVu8Hh_GNJQXDJyGQG7mfzpvoseCkDcoOLCN9I1prawTvA6wC50MJA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20B78B6B-DC1F-46D7-8787-4FC153C7BA44@cox.net> References: <731447.9430.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <20B78B6B-DC1F-46D7-8787-4FC153C7BA44@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0C32B776-AA3E-4A7B-AAC0-2D46C9AED5DB@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:54:26 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=q_cI1yISnWPFb2yMQfDXYwyZH5Bvqzcc-WXDEd4XcDPCO335Xw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 4, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Richard Wagoner wrote: > And very unlike television, newspapers, public radio and cable news > which are dominated by democrat cronies. It depends on where you live. It might be that way in California but in Arizona and Tennessee its way dominated by GOP robots on the air. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 13:26:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49610 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 20:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 20:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 20:26:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 90112 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 20:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from [75.45.200.59] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:26:52 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:26:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <98EA74F3-91AF-4DB7-BFCE-D97BA11832D0@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <61736.90020.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=grb_4CFczkqxhWgo_gOoE-ZPOCi6F1GASFvCuB0W0TQaxA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anybody does, I'll work there for FREE!=A0 Well, OK, maybe a few tacos and = Coronas a =A0day and a dry warm spot to sleep...G --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} XERF To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 4:52 PM On Aug 3, 2008, at 2:35 AM, george russell wrote: > Oh Yeah! "Rock and roll from the West Pole"! Yup, the were darn=20 > kewl, Many of us wish somebody would crank up one of those Border Blasters=20 with kewl programming. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 13:29:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53563 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 20:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 20:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 20:29:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45671 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 20:29:25 -0000 X-Received: from [75.45.200.59] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:29:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:29:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <55BA1172-466C-4CEF-9A9F-0366374EA829@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <703479.45259.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=FFSC-wH6ZFvCGXZQE2jHtXh6S1-29kDuimzUIkjxun__Gg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did you find any C-QUAM stations to "trickle down" thru it, though?=A0 G --- On Sun, 8/3/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 9:52 PM On Aug 3, 2008, at 8:24 PM, =20 wrote: > Kennedy used much the same tactics to turn the economy around as=20 > did the much hated Reagan. I never want to hear from a Republican saying, Obama is nothing but=20 hot air, smoke and mirrors. Reagan was EXACTLY that kind of president=20 and all the Republicans venerate him. I thought he was a goober but he gave me a big raise while I was in=20 the Navy and I got to buy an AM stereo radio with the extra money. I=20 have to give that to him. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 13:30:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79220 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 20:30:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 20:30:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 20:30:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46871 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 20:30:38 -0000 X-Received: from [75.45.200.59] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:30:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:30:38 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <14914.59573.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <485750.45788.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=BNbpSjrIFk9zd7qfZr0gYfbPw2lZ05rf5-n1PP6W_iJxXw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm at the office...I have a list at home, if nobody gives ya one first, I'= ll post it tonight.=A0 G --- On Mon, 8/4/08, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Re: XERF To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 12:36 AM What's a good list of Mexican border blaster frequencies to check for? =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 13:32:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56034 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 20:32:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 20:32:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.50) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 20:32:04 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n31.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 20:32:04 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.68] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 20:32:04 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 20:32:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 565977.39378.bm@omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 4093 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 20:32:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.144 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 20:32:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pnRHv3AVM1mWOc0BUL2dPcTtGIUyuNW2R87ZzY6GzYV0Bwe9BJ0ZnJkqgIdNiRs_QbKFuDqgt_CyZ45d_bYIgx03ff1hoozctPkf5i.Kq1INvurMsexPNPlULr7zTBu8JA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <703479.45259.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <703479.45259.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <40775D2D-4C02-488A-AF4E-A566525BC78D@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:32:02 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Wou4kaNR-vde9u_hDqyrazjYHGbTvryQfoyxNIPaIw6tL2RWRQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 4, 2008, at 3:29 PM, george russell wrote: > Did you find any C-QUAM stations to "trickle down" thru it, though? G I recently moved from Arizona "The Foreclosure State" to Tennessee "The Factory Closure State" and checked for the first time today for AM stereo. All I had was a falsing signal from WBIP 1400 in Booneville, MS. What did you think of the cartoons? Kevin Adamsville, TN From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 13:32:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89550 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 20:32:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 20:32:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 20:32:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 95088 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 20:32:50 -0000 X-Received: from [75.45.200.59] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:32:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:32:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0730572E-A5EC-46CE-87F3-5FF5C787D97C@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <397121.94836.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=OKYQPR3zR8HTXg5Vv7CCDGMjQ5YGJbUT7v3y1a4uyNi_YA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow...that looks like the buttons on my R2000!=A0 G --- On Mon, 8/4/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: XERF To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 9:50 AM > What's a good list of Mexican border blaster frequencies to check for? 690 XETRA Tijuana, Baja California del Norte 77 kW 730 XEX Mexico, Distrito Federal 100 kW 800 XEROK Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua 150 kW 900 XEW Mexico, Distrito Federal 250 kW 1050 XEG Monterrey, Nuevo Leon 100 kW 1220 XEB Mexico, Distrito Federal 100 kW 1570 XERF Ciudad Acuna, Chihuahua 250 kW These are authorized powers. Most are transmitting with lower power=20 these days as fewer and fewer people are listening to AM all over the=20 world. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 13:35:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15506 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 20:35:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 20:35:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 20:35:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96886 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 20:35:21 -0000 X-Received: from [75.45.200.59] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:35:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:35:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <772090.4617.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <569089.96817.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=PN0FHjW6n3EERhjQBOwdTsYubn_irGj8yM85G3p69ss5LA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Powell, when did Rio go into effect?=A0 Because XEROK bought 3 new DX-50s w= ith the express purpose of running one in the day and all three at night. You are bursting my image of the mighty 800, here! George --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: XERF To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 10:09 AM NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net And the Rio Treaty negates all authorizations over 100 KW. The Rio Treaty a= llows ALL North American countries to run up to 100 KW but unwisely the US = and Canada only allow 50. Kevin, is the Spanish radio list still there that= you moderate? If so that question could be asked. I don't have the address= in my book.=20 Powell --- On Mon, 8/4/08, kevin redding wrote: > 690 XETRA Tijuana, Baja California del Norte 77 kW > 730 XEX Mexico, Distrito Federal 100 kW > 800 XEROK Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua 150 kW > 900 XEW Mexico, Distrito Federal 250 kW > 1050 XEG Monterrey, Nuevo Leon 100 kW > 1220 XEB Mexico, Distrito Federal 100 kW > 1570 XERF Ciudad Acuna, Chihuahua 250 kW >=20 > These are authorized powers. Most are transmitting with > lower power=20 > these days as fewer and fewer people are listening to AM > all over the world. > =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 14:07:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94670 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 21:07:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 21:07:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 21:07:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 48807 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 21:07:10 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:07:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:07:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <569089.96817.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <94597.48773.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=DCiYegC8KKA408PSlEhwIj6AgXk23dwR-STPztffcTY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 8/4/08, george russell wrote: > Powell, when did Rio go into effect?=A0 Some time after WW II with updates.=20 > Because XEROK bought > 3 new DX-50s with the express purpose of running one in the > day and all three at night. > You are bursting my image of the mighty 800, here! > George Normally the day power limit is 100 K day and 50 nights. I might want to as= k Peter on the [BC] list as he knows all that good stuff.=20 Powell From w6yn@juno.com Mon Aug 04 14:30:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15433 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 21:30:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 21:30:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 21:30:28 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail02.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.142]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEKQ7HLAPGX5E2 for (sender ); Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:30:18 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD6ZbIBEUN0LadGG23aIUnbA= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail02.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NRSG3STD; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:29:46 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.244.200] by webmail02.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:29:19 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:29:19 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080804.142919.5124.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 36:18:3417157920 X-MAIL-INFO:0e4155c045a9f5f97100693030302d00b5e0a00c79b509c479e1ed20b0202470d4ad108510ada01029e590010159b5c5b97d5994cd7dd164845139541410510561c49d90600d74501db9e574d945e5d9e4bd9074a075 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.142|webmail02.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=Sn9K3KHzfAyUFuRdqIhr87zCOucnVwSzwpGSWNpsxw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn We have, in fact, too much freedom of the press in this country. The public= figure doctrine needs to be revised, the Fairness Doctrine needs to be rev= ived, there must be brakes and restraints on unpopular speech and deception= , otherwise they will propagate like bacteria through a population. It is absolutely necessary to muzzle every elected and appointed member of = our government. How do we treat news outlets that mistakenly report an item= or regurgitate governmental press releases that are false or wrong? What s= hould we do with those who are deemed to be dangerous demagogues? Silence t= hem? Ban them from any government licensed broadcasting station or public f= orum? Arrest them? Where do you draw the line when the line keeps moving? S= hould Al Franken, Jon Stewart or Randi Rhodes have greater rights to expres= s their opinions and philosophies than a Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity? I d= oubt even the ACLU would condone that. However, he implied assumption in so= me of these comments would say, yes. "Correct speech ONLY will be tolerated= !" I trust you all found your Kool-Aid to be delicious. It has obviously been = effective. I don't recall very much in the Constitution about "Qualified" freedom of s= peech. To my thinking, that sort of reasoning would call into question our = other freedoms such as life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The Fairness Doctrine was a bust from the beginning. It was just another in= trusion into our society by a bunch of power hungry politicians determined = to silence those with whom they hated or feared. There was nothing fair abo= ut the Fairness Doctrine. The FD did nothing more than create yet another l= ayer of government regulations upon radio and TV stations requiring them to= hunt down or put on every single point of view on virtually any semi-polit= ical or controversial issue that was expressed on the station. Anyone who l= ived through the FD times can tell you that every nut ball and his brother = were constantly banging on the station's door, demanding free time and thre= atening to report you to the FCC if you ignored them. What a country! Exemp= t from all of this were the print media. How was that fair? The Internet wa= s not even a thought in those days. Now that we are in the digital age, why shouldn't Congress renew and extend= the FD to include print media and everything on the Internet? Are we all, = not guaranteed equal protection under the constitution? Why stop with broad= cast stations? Let's go find those bastards and shut them up! Let's go set = up committees as to what is acceptable speech! Political correctness could = soar to new heights. Where should it stop? How far should it go? Just who is going to be selecte= d and charged with the responsibility of 1) identifying the demagogic offen= ders, 2) determine what constitutes bacterial demagogic speech and 3) how t= o rectify those demagogues? Who decides what, according to Mr. Todd is dece= ptive, or a falsehood? The politically appointed FCC? A partisan Congress? = A "citizens committee" made up of political appointees? Are we to turn over the determination of what constitutes media free speech= to the same people who gave us the IRS? Those same elected officials who c= ontinually refuse to simplify the tax codes and legislate heavy fines and p= enalties and even imprison any who violates those laws? Your personal priva= cy? What government agency knows more about every individual in this countr= y than the IRS? What about the great job Congress has done with Social Security? A system t= hat started as a sham because the government figured that given the average= longevity of the time, that the majority of contributors would never live = long enough to collect for more than a short period of time. Universal Heal= th Care? What should we call it when our right to choose our health care is= taken away from us, in favor of a government run system? Limbaugh and all the others, no matter what their political agenda is, and,= I know this will stick in the throats of many, should be completely free t= o spew whatever they want. Otherwise, we put ourselves on the same road as = the HUAC of the 1950's and the Chinese Red Guards of the 1960's. Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: I just graduated my degree in broadcasting and we studied this. Many peopl= e get the Fairness Doctrine wrongly. It was basically designed to insure t= hat both sides of a story were presented such as democrats and republicans = would get equal time to present their ideas. Very unlike what we have toda= y where everything is dominated by republican cronies of the bush administr= ation. I truly believe that any news or radio organization for that matter= is only worth its salt if it provides both sides equally. I don't believe= all the hot air these republicans spew but I DO want to hear them and what= they have to say. I would be against an all democrat run operation too. = I want both sides. I am educated enough to make up my own mind. I don't n= eed that one lop sided crap that we have today on republican crony radio. = Fox news fair and balanced, yeah right! They are fair and balanced conser= vative and republican, thats the two sides you get from those people. Anyone republican or democrat who wants to hear things one = sided are just not well informed, educated, or open minded for that matter.= I believe our whole system is based on checks and balances and I believe = the fairness doctrine as I studied it in college provided that checks and b= alances system. I think we need more of that. From what I can tell its on= ly republican folks who dominate talk radio that do not want the fairness d= octrine reinstated. Wonder why? Does it ever make you think? We've talke= d about local small town radio. Well there was tons more of that in the da= ys of the fairness doctrine than there are now. You ever wonder why? Do y= ou not think rich corporate america wants to control the airwaves? You see= they are being controlled now by one side. Rich corporate republican type= s who do not care for the working man. Sure they wanted the fairness doctr= ine taken away, that way they could spew their one sided views on everything. They could buy up all the stations and the hel= l with any other views, they didn't have to present them once the fairness = doctrine was taken away. Too many people don't understand this. It's simp= le. It was placed so that both sides could be heard equally. I remember g= rowing up when it was in place. I used to like hearing both sides. To me = its sad that we don't get both sides now. Think folks! =20 -Kevin --- On Sun, 8/3/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 5:03 PM Regulating speech in order to alter its content is exactly the sort of medd= ling that the First Amendment is meant to prohibit. Should the fairness doctrine be reinstated, the possibility of a challenge = even if the challenge ultimately failed, the cost of defending against it c= ould be substantial to the extent that I would cancel all talk programming = from my stations. I don't know what available programming would attract the= demographic audience that my customers demand. It just may mean that my in= vestment value could be radically diminished and a distressed property sale= may be the result. Fortunately I purchased these sticks as "distressed pro= perty" in the mid 80's so I may not suffer much of a loss. It's time for me= to retire anyway.=20 Policy discussion on the airwaves for decades was, for the most part, as bl= and as cottage cheese. In practice, the so-called fairness doctrine was dee= ply unfair. Restricting free speech and government controls on media content is anathem= a to our constitutional guarantees of free speech. Stalinists, of course, d= o not agree. History always proves them wrong: "Our massive strategy was to use the Fairness Doctrine to challenge and har= ass right-wing broadcasters and hope the challenges would be so costly to t= hem that they would be inhibited and decide it was too expensive to continu= e." --Bill Ruder, Democratic campaign consultant and Assistant Secretary of Com= merce, Kennedy Administration[ 1] "The main thing is the Post is going to have damnable, damnable problems ou= t of [its Watergate coverage]. They have a television station...and they ar= e going to have to get it renewed." --President Richard Nixon[2] Should the federal government mandate "fairness" in broadcasting? "Yes," sa= y some Members of Congress, including Speaker of the House Nancy Pols, who = reportedly said this week that House leaders would "aggressively pursue" le= gislation to reinstate the "Fairness Doctrine."[3] Until it was abolished i= n 1987, this Federal Communications Commission rule required broadcasters t= o air all sides of controversial issues. At first glance, the rule may sound innocuous. Fairness is, after all, a ba= sic American value. But as a matter of principle, any such government contr= ols on media content is anathema to constitutional guarantees of free speec= h. And in practice, the so-called fairness doctrine was deeply unfair. Dulling Down Broadcasting Rather than foster full and fair discussion of public issues, the real effe= ct of the Fairness Doctrine was to discourage discussion of controversial i= ssues of any kind. It's no coincidence that such media as talk radio--virtu= ally non-existent while the rule was in place--flowered after its repeal. R= ather than the vast wasteland of bland muzak-like discussion it was before,= broadcasting- - especially radio--has become a platform for vibrant and co= ntroversial debate on countless issues. The Fairness Doctrine was developed by the FCC over a long period, based on= its broad authority under the Communications Act to regulate the airwaves.= The rule was first articulated in 1949, when television was in its infancy= and radio meant a handful of AM stations in each market. In its final form= , the rule required broadcasters to "afford reasonable opportunity for disc= ussion of contrasting points of view on controversial matters of public imp= ortance." [4] The vagueness of the standard left quite a bit of uncertainty. What is a "r= easonable" opportunity? How many "contrasting" views? Station managers whos= e programming ventured too far into controversial subjects could quite easi= ly find themselves subject to a fairness doctrine challenge. And even if th= e challenge ultimately failed, the cost of defending against it could be su= bstantial. So the safe route for most was to stay far away from controversy= . As a result, policy discussion on the airwaves for decades was, for the m= ost part, as bland as cottage cheese. Political Abuse This "chilling" effect was exacerbated by political abuse of the system. Po= liticians of both parties used the doctrine to further their political ends= . Political strategists for Kennedy and Johnson, for example, consciously u= sed the Fairness Doctrine to cow political opponents. According to statemen= ts from party activists, there was an explicit strategy to raise the cost o= f critical programming, and thus get it dropped entirely. "Perhaps...our ta= ctics were too aggressive," one party operative is quoted as saying, "but w= e were up against ultra-right preachers who were saying vicious things abou= t Kennedy and Johnson."[5] The political use of the Fairness Doctrine was brought to new heights by Pr= esident Richard Nixon. According to Jesse Walker of Reason magazine, "priva= te activists directed by the Republican National Committee regularly filed = Fairness Doctrine challenges against stations whose reporting angered the W= hite House."[6] Demise of the Fairness Doctrine The constitutionality of the Fairness Doctrine was challenged in the 1969 c= ase Red Lion v. FCC[7], involving a religious broadcaster who was fined by = the FCC for not providing a person criticized on the air an opportunity to = reply. The Supreme Court upheld the rule, reasoning that because broadcast = frequencies were scarce, the government may intervene in broadcast media in= ways that would not be allowed toward traditional media, such as newspaper= s. The decision in Red Lion, however, has been subject to intense criticism.[8= ] And in 1987, the FCC rescinded the Fairness Doctrine, finding it to be co= ntrary to the Constitution as well as bad policy.[9] In its landmark decisi= on, the Commission wrote: We believe that the role of the electronic press in our society is the same= as that of the printed press. Both are sources of information and viewpoin= t. Accordingly, the reasons for proscribing government intrusion into the e= ditorial discretion of print journalists provide the same basis for proscri= bing such interference into the editorial discretion of broadcast journalis= ts. [10] The FCC's decision to rescind the doctrine was later upheld by a federal ap= peals court. In so doing, however, the court did not pass judgment on the c= onstitutionality of the rule and instead relied on the FCC's policy finding= s that it did not serve the public interest.[11] Red Lion is still formally in place. But in years since, the basic "spectru= m scarcity" rationale of Red Lion (and thus the constitutionality of fairne= ss rules) has become ever weaker. Not only have new broadcast frequencies- = -such as the UHF television and FM radio bands--been put into use, but enti= rely new systems such as cable TV and satellite radio have been created, of= fering consumers hundreds of channels when before they only had a handful.[= 12] And the Internet has made notions of scarcity almost meaningless. [13] At the same time, broadcasters- -especially radio broadcasters- -became muc= h more willing to air controversial points of view, in large part because o= f the repeal of the FCC's fairness rule. Most notably, talk radio, which ha= d been a relatively rare format, exploded in scope and popularity. In 1990,= there were some 400 stations with a talk show format nationwide. By 2006, = there were more than 1,400 stations devoted entirely to talk formats.[14] P= rogramming shed its cottage cheese-like character, as controversial new hos= ts, such as Rush Limbaugh, gained airtime and the freedom to express strong= opinions and views without fear of regulatory reprisal. According to the P= roject for Excellence in Journalism: With the [Fairness] Doctrine's repeal, radio shows could become more one-si= ded, more free-wheeling, ideological and political. And it didn't take long= . One of the first to gain popularity under the new rules was a new voice o= ut of California named Rush Limbaugh. Within a year or two of the new rules= , Limbaugh's provocative denunciations of Democrats became a phenomenon. St= ations quickly began to pick up his syndicated show, and other conservative= names followed his lead. Being controversial seemed a plus.[15] Not all the changes, of course, were due to the Fairness Doctrine repeal. O= ther factors, such as the rise of FM radio, were at work. But, as documente= d by economists Thomas Hazlett and David W. Sosa, the regulatory change had= a substantial causal effect.[16] Government-Enforced "Balance" Many supporters of the Fairness Doctrine are concerned about this explosion= of information because they see it as the wrong kind of information. Many = are frankly concerned about the amount of "conservative" programming, espec= ially in talk radio, and would like to see a different balance. Certainly, conservative- oriented talk radio has been more successful than = left-leaning radio programming. But broadcasting is only one small part of = today's media universe, which includes not just radio and television broadc= asting but print, cable, and Internet sources. Conservatives have had no lo= ck on opportunities, even in radio. Programming with a liberal bent, from M= ario Cuomo's show to Air America, has been given opportunities and will get= more. Moreover, arguments that the Fairness Doctrine is needed because certain ty= pes of media are too conservative, too negative, too partisan, or too anyth= ing actually strengthen the case against the regulation. Any law that is ta= rgeted at media based on the content of what is being said raises greater c= onstitutional concerns and is much less likely to pass constitutional muste= r--and for good reason. Regulating speech in order to alter its content is = exactly the sort of meddling that the First Amendment is meant to prohibit.= It is simply not the job of politicians to "correct" the mix of opinions b= eing expressed in the marketplace of ideas, even if--and especially if--the= y disagree with those opinions. Conclusion The Federal Communications Commission did the right thing 20 years ago in t= hrowing this unnecessary, counter-productive, and unwise restriction on spe= ech into the regulatory dustbin. It should be left there. To do otherwise w= ould be dangerous and obviously unconstitutional. [1]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free Speech," The American Conservat= ive, April 23, 2007, at http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ article3= . html. [2]Quoted in Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, "Chilling the Internet? L= essons from FCC Regulation of Radio Broadcasting, " Cato Institute Policy A= nalysis No. 270, March 19, 1997. [3]See "Her Royal Fairness, The American Spectator, May 14, 2007, at http:/= /www.spectato r.org/dsp_ article.asp? art_id=3D11427. [4]For general background on the development of the rule, see Museum of Bro= adcast Communications, "Fairness Doctrine" at http://www.museum. tv/archive= s/ etv/F/htmlF/ fairnessdoct/ fairnessdoct. htm. [5]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free Speech," The American Conservat= ive, April 23, 2007, at http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ article3= . html. [6]Ibid. [7]Red Lion v. FCC, 395 U.S. 367 (1969). [8]See, e.g.., William Van Alstyne, The Mobius Strip of the First Amendment= : Perspectives on Red Lion, 29 S. Carolina. L. Rev. 539, 547-48 (1978) (lis= ting many of the leading articles in the first decade after the decision) a= t http://eprints. law.duke. edu/archive/ 00000564/ 01/29_S._ C._L._Rev. _53= 9_(1978-1979). pdf. [9]The agency had originally declined to consider the question of whether t= he rule was constitutional. In early 1987, however, a federal court held th= at the FCC could not enforce the doctrine unless it considered the constitu= tional objections. Meredith v. FCC, 809 F. 2d 863 (1987). [10]Syracuse Peace Council, 2 FCC Reports 5043 (1987). [11]Syracuse Peace Council, 867 F. 2d 654 (D.C. Cir. (1989)). [12]Many believe that due to these developments, combined with the longstan= ding legal criticism of the Red Lion case, were it to be reconsidered today= , it would be decided differently. A study published two years ago by the F= CC itself makes this case convincingly. See, John W. Berresford, "The Scarc= ity Rationale for Regulating Traditional Broadcasting: An Idea Whose Time H= as Passed," FCC Media Bureau Staff Research Paper, March 2005, at http://hr= aunfoss. fcc.gov/edocs_ public/attachmat ch/DOC-257534A1. pdf. [13]See Adam D. Thierer, "The Media Cornucopia," City Journal, Spring 2007,= at http://www.city- journal.org/ html/17_2_ media.html. [14]Project on Excellence in Journalism, "The State of the News Media 2007:= An Annual Report on American Journalism, Talk Radio page, at http://www.st= ateoft henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ radio_talk_ radio.asp? cat=3D8&med= ia=3D 9. [15]Project on Excellence in Journalism, "The State of the News Media 2007:= An Annual Report on American Journalism, Talk Radio page, at http://www.st= ateoft henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ radio_talk_ radio.asp? cat=3D8&med= ia=3D 9. [16]Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, "Was the Fairness Doctrine a "Chil= ling Effect? Evidence from the Post-deregulation Radio Market," 26 Journal = of Legal Studies 279 (1997). Don -- "Amy Mousie" wrote: This is proof positive that the abolition of the Fairness Doctrine was a Bad Idea-- I can prove there are actually FEWER talk radio stations today, without the Fairness Doctrine than there were with: Just eliminate all the bird-fed takers ands see how many are left. Chances are, MUCH fewer than when the Fairness Doctrine was abolished. Now, tell me- Was that a good thing? Did it REALLY improve diversity of voices and ownership to abolish the Fairness Doctrine? I don't think it was, just as much as letting the RIAA have free reign over royalty fees that have driven many statiuons from broadcasting anything beyond bird-fed programming. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, george russell wrote= : > > Yup, the "cookie-cutter" programs. One night I sat in Durand, MI, scanned > the dial, and found 11 stations carrying C2C, and over a dozen carrying ESPN...with a lousy car radio! My stomach nearly empties, too! G=20 >=20 /info/terms/ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 14:54:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12297 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 21:54:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 21:54:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 21:54:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10068 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 21:54:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:54:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:54:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <731447.9430.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <262087.9399.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Tte_XV1UFMqGdWZZD4pTn1jIhMCCsv-ETAkI_JZKwHBKMA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Kevin, if you ever become a preacher, I'll stuff the offering plate! That pretty well sums up what I and a LOT of folks I know believe. BTW, it's not the Fox NEWS channel...it's the Fox NOISE channel! I too like to hear both sides, and make up my own mind. Today, that is=20 dangerous...if there is one thing the government fears worse than an alien = invasion, it's us thinking for ourselves! Ever notice all the people who defend the current quagmire have all their b= ills paid, a roof over their head, and gas in their car? Yeah, they may be= in debt, but at least they are pretty sure where their next meal is coming= from. I used to have a ministry with the homeless folk in Mt. Clemens, MI. where = I and a couple friends would buy a few pizzas and go down to the riverbank = and share them, and just sit and talk with these people. Common image of these folks is only PARTLY right...yes, some are drug users= , or too lazy to work, but we also met very intellegent people who had lost it all, and only wanted a chance to do an honest day's work an= d earn their keep. But who is going to hire them? Who is going to let them= use their shower to get presentable for a job interview? WHEN is a talk sh= ow host with a roving microphone going to get THESE PEOPLE'S take on the cu= rrent affairs? My guess is never!!! Why do I give a damn? 2 reasons: (1)= it is hard not to have compassion once you get to know some of these folks= , and (2) THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD GO I!!!] If things don't turn around and pretty damn fast, a lot of people who are c= onvinced that the system is fine are in for a very painful discovery. When it is THEIR turn out in the cold, and nobody will hire them, I bet the= y will be singing a whole new tune! George =20=20 --- On Mon, 8/4/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:50 AM > I just graduated my degree in broadcasting and we studied > this.=A0 Many people get the Fairness Doctrine wrongly.=A0 It > was basically designed to insure that both sides of a story > were presented such as democrats and republicans would get > equal time to present their ideas.=A0 Very unlike what we > have today where everything is dominated by republican > cronies of the bush administration.=A0 I truly believe that > any news or radio organization for that matter is only worth > its salt if it provides both sides equally.=A0 I don't > believe all the hot air these republicans spew but I DO want > to hear them and what they have to say.=A0 I would be against > an all democrat run operation too.=A0 I want both sides.=A0 I > am educated enough to make up my own mind.=A0 I don't > need that one lop sided crap that we have today on > republican crony radio.=A0 Fox news fair and balanced, yeah > right!=A0 They are fair and balanced=A0 conservative and > republican, thats the two sides you get from > those people.=A0 Anyone republican or democrat who wants to > hear things one sided are just not well informed, educated, > or open minded=A0for that matter.=A0 I believe our whole > system is based on checks and balances and I believe the > fairness doctrine as I studied it in college provided that > checks and balances system.=A0 I think we need more of > that.=A0 From what I can tell its only republican folks who > dominate talk radio that do not want the fairness doctrine > reinstated.=A0 Wonder why?=A0 Does it ever make you think?=A0 > We've talked about local small town radio.=A0 Well there > was tons more of that in the days of the fairness doctrine > than there are now.=A0 You ever wonder why?=A0 Do you not > think rich corporate america wants to control the > airwaves?=A0 You see they are being controlled now by one > side.=A0 Rich corporate republican types who do not care for > the working man.=A0 Sure they wanted the fairness doctrine > taken away, that way they could spew their one > sided views on everything.=A0 They could buy up all the > stations and the hell with any other views, they didn't > have to present them once the fairness doctrine was taken > away.=A0 Too many people don't understand this.=A0 > It's simple.=A0 It was placed so that both sides could be > heard equally.=A0 I remember growing up when it was in > place.=A0 I used to like hearing both sides.=A0 To me its sad > that we don't get both sides now.=A0 Think folks! > =A0 > -Kevin >=20 >=20 > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: >=20 > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 5:03 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Regulating speech in order to alter its content is exactly > the sort of meddling that the First Amendment is meant to > prohibit. >=20 > Should the fairness doctrine be reinstated, the possibility > of a challenge even if the challenge ultimately failed, the > cost of defending against it could be substantial to the > extent that I would cancel all talk programming from my > stations. I don't know what available programming would > attract the demographic audience that my customers demand. > It just may mean that my investment value could be radically > diminished and a distressed property sale may be the result. > Fortunately I purchased these sticks as "distressed > property" in the mid 80's so I may not suffer much > of a loss. It's time for me to retire anyway.=20 >=20 > Policy discussion on the airwaves for decades was, for the > most part, as bland as cottage cheese. In practice, the > so-called fairness doctrine was deeply unfair. >=20 > Restricting free speech and government controls on media > content is anathema to our constitutional guarantees of free > speech. Stalinists, of course, do not agree. >=20 > History always proves them wrong: >=20 > "Our massive strategy was to use the Fairness Doctrine > to challenge and harass right-wing broadcasters and hope the > challenges would be so costly to them that they would be > inhibited and decide it was too expensive to continue." >=20 > --Bill Ruder, Democratic campaign consultant and Assistant > Secretary of Commerce, Kennedy Administration[ 1] >=20 > "The main thing is the Post is going to have damnable, > damnable problems out of [its Watergate coverage]. They have > a television station...and they are going to have to get it > renewed." >=20 > --President Richard Nixon[2] >=20 > Should the federal government mandate "fairness" > in broadcasting? "Yes," say some Members of > Congress, including Speaker of the House Nancy Pols, who > reportedly said this week that House leaders would > "aggressively pursue" legislation to reinstate the > "Fairness Doctrine."[3] Until it was abolished in > 1987, this Federal Communications Commission rule required > broadcasters to air all sides of controversial issues. >=20 > At first glance, the rule may sound innocuous. Fairness is, > after all, a basic American value. But as a matter of > principle, any such government controls on media content is > anathema to constitutional guarantees of free speech. And in > practice, the so-called fairness doctrine was deeply unfair. >=20 > Dulling Down Broadcasting >=20 > Rather than foster full and fair discussion of public > issues, the real effect of the Fairness Doctrine was to > discourage discussion of controversial issues of any kind. > It's no coincidence that such media as talk > radio--virtually non-existent while the rule was in > place--flowered after its repeal. Rather than the vast > wasteland of bland muzak-like discussion it was before, > broadcasting- - especially radio--has become a platform for > vibrant and controversial debate on countless issues. >=20 > The Fairness Doctrine was developed by the FCC over a long > period, based on its broad authority under the > Communications Act to regulate the airwaves. The rule was > first articulated in 1949, when television was in its > infancy and radio meant a handful of AM stations in each > market. In its final form, the rule required broadcasters to > "afford reasonable opportunity for discussion of > contrasting points of view on controversial matters of > public importance." [4] >=20 > The vagueness of the standard left quite a bit of > uncertainty. What is a "reasonable" opportunity? > How many "contrasting" views? Station managers > whose programming ventured too far into controversial > subjects could quite easily find themselves subject to a > fairness doctrine challenge. And even if the challenge > ultimately failed, the cost of defending against it could be > substantial. So the safe route for most was to stay far away > from controversy. As a result, policy discussion on the > airwaves for decades was, for the most part, as bland as > cottage cheese. >=20 > Political Abuse >=20 > This "chilling" effect was exacerbated by > political abuse of the system. Politicians of both parties > used the doctrine to further their political ends. Political > strategists for Kennedy and Johnson, for example, > consciously used the Fairness Doctrine to cow political > opponents. According to statements from party activists, > there was an explicit strategy to raise the cost of critical > programming, and thus get it dropped entirely. > "Perhaps...our tactics were too aggressive," one > party operative is quoted as saying, "but we were up > against ultra-right preachers who were saying vicious things > about Kennedy and Johnson."[5] >=20 > The political use of the Fairness Doctrine was brought to > new heights by President Richard Nixon. According to Jesse > Walker of Reason magazine, "private activists directed > by the Republican National Committee regularly filed > Fairness Doctrine challenges against stations whose > reporting angered the White House."[6] >=20 > Demise of the Fairness Doctrine >=20 > The constitutionality of the Fairness Doctrine was > challenged in the 1969 case Red Lion v. FCC[7], involving a > religious broadcaster who was fined by the FCC for not > providing a person criticized on the air an opportunity to > reply. The Supreme Court upheld the rule, reasoning that > because broadcast frequencies were scarce, the government > may intervene in broadcast media in ways that would not be > allowed toward traditional media, such as newspapers. >=20 > The decision in Red Lion, however, has been subject to > intense criticism.[8] And in 1987, the FCC rescinded the > Fairness Doctrine, finding it to be contrary to the > Constitution as well as bad policy.[9] In its landmark > decision, the Commission wrote: >=20 > We believe that the role of the electronic press in our > society is the same as that of the printed press. Both are > sources of information and viewpoint. Accordingly, the > reasons for proscribing government intrusion into the > editorial discretion of print journalists provide the same > basis for proscribing such interference into the editorial > discretion of broadcast journalists. [10] >=20 > The FCC's decision to rescind the doctrine was later > upheld by a federal appeals court. In so doing, however, the > court did not pass judgment on the constitutionality of the > rule and instead relied on the FCC's policy findings > that it did not serve the public interest.[11] >=20 > Red Lion is still formally in place. But in years since, > the basic "spectrum scarcity" rationale of Red > Lion (and thus the constitutionality of fairness rules) has > become ever weaker. Not only have new broadcast frequencies- > -such as the UHF television and FM radio bands--been put > into use, but entirely new systems such as cable TV and > satellite radio have been created, offering consumers > hundreds of channels when before they only had a > handful.[12] And the Internet has made notions of scarcity > almost meaningless. [13] >=20 > At the same time, broadcasters- -especially radio > broadcasters- -became much more willing to air controversial > points of view, in large part because of the repeal of the > FCC's fairness rule. Most notably, talk radio, which had > been a relatively rare format, exploded in scope and > popularity. In 1990, there were some 400 stations with a > talk show format nationwide. By 2006, there were more than > 1,400 stations devoted entirely to talk formats.[14] > Programming shed its cottage cheese-like character, as > controversial new hosts, such as Rush Limbaugh, gained > airtime and the freedom to express strong opinions and views > without fear of regulatory reprisal. According to the > Project for Excellence in Journalism: >=20 > With the [Fairness] Doctrine's repeal, radio shows > could become more one-sided, more free-wheeling, ideological > and political. And it didn't take long. One of the first > to gain popularity under the new rules was a new voice out > of California named Rush Limbaugh. Within a year or two of > the new rules, Limbaugh's provocative denunciations of > Democrats became a phenomenon. Stations quickly began to > pick up his syndicated show, and other conservative names > followed his lead. Being controversial seemed a plus.[15] >=20 > Not all the changes, of course, were due to the Fairness > Doctrine repeal. Other factors, such as the rise of FM > radio, were at work. But, as documented by economists Thomas > Hazlett and David W. Sosa, the regulatory change had a > substantial causal effect.[16] >=20 > Government-Enforced "Balance" >=20 > Many supporters of the Fairness Doctrine are concerned > about this explosion of information because they see it as > the wrong kind of information. Many are frankly concerned > about the amount of "conservative" programming, > especially in talk radio, and would like to see a different > balance. >=20 > Certainly, conservative- oriented talk radio has been more > successful than left-leaning radio programming. But > broadcasting is only one small part of today's media > universe, which includes not just radio and television > broadcasting but print, cable, and Internet sources. > Conservatives have had no lock on opportunities, even in > radio. Programming with a liberal bent, from Mario > Cuomo's show to Air America, has been given > opportunities and will get more. >=20 > Moreover, arguments that the Fairness Doctrine is needed > because certain types of media are too conservative, too > negative, too partisan, or too anything actually strengthen > the case against the regulation. Any law that is targeted at > media based on the content of what is being said raises > greater constitutional concerns and is much less likely to > pass constitutional muster--and for good reason. Regulating > speech in order to alter its content is exactly the sort of > meddling that the First Amendment is meant to prohibit. It > is simply not the job of politicians to "correct" > the mix of opinions being expressed in the marketplace of > ideas, even if--and especially if--they disagree with those > opinions. >=20 > Conclusion >=20 > The Federal Communications Commission did the right thing > 20 years ago in throwing this unnecessary, > counter-productive, and unwise restriction on speech into > the regulatory dustbin. It should be left there. To do > otherwise would be dangerous and obviously unconstitutional. >=20 > [1]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free > Speech," The American Conservative, April 23, 2007, at > http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ article3. html. >=20 > [2]Quoted in Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, > "Chilling the Internet? Lessons from FCC Regulation of > Radio Broadcasting, " Cato Institute Policy Analysis > No. 270, March 19, 1997. >=20 > [3]See "Her Royal Fairness, The American Spectator, > May 14, 2007, at http://www.spectato r.org/dsp_ article.asp? > art_id=3D11427. >=20 > [4]For general background on the development of the rule, > see Museum of Broadcast Communications, "Fairness > Doctrine" at http://www.museum. tv/archives/ > etv/F/htmlF/ fairnessdoct/ fairnessdoct. htm. >=20 > [5]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free > Speech," The American Conservative, April 23, 2007, at > http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ article3. html. >=20 > [6]Ibid. >=20 > [7]Red Lion v. FCC, 395 U.S. 367 (1969). >=20 > [8]See, e.g.., William Van Alstyne, The Mobius Strip of the > First Amendment: Perspectives on Red Lion, 29 S. Carolina. > L. Rev. 539, 547-48 (1978) (listing many of the leading > articles in the first decade after the decision) at > http://eprints. law.duke. edu/archive/ 00000564/ 01/29_S._ > C._L._Rev. _539_(1978-1979). pdf. >=20 > [9]The agency had originally declined to consider the > question of whether the rule was constitutional. In early > 1987, however, a federal court held that the FCC could not > enforce the doctrine unless it considered the constitutional > objections. Meredith v. FCC, 809 F. 2d 863 (1987). >=20 > [10]Syracuse Peace Council, 2 FCC Reports 5043 (1987). >=20 > [11]Syracuse Peace Council, 867 F. 2d 654 (D.C. Cir. > (1989)). >=20 > [12]Many believe that due to these developments, combined > with the longstanding legal criticism of the Red Lion case, > were it to be reconsidered today, it would be decided > differently. A study published two years ago by the FCC > itself makes this case convincingly. See, John W. > Berresford, "The Scarcity Rationale for Regulating > Traditional Broadcasting: An Idea Whose Time Has > Passed," FCC Media Bureau Staff Research Paper, March > 2005, at http://hraunfoss. fcc.gov/edocs_ public/attachmat > ch/DOC-257534A1. pdf. >=20 > [13]See Adam D. Thierer, "The Media Cornucopia," > City Journal, Spring 2007, at http://www.city- journal.org/ > html/17_2_ media.html. >=20 > [14]Project on Excellence in Journalism, "The State of > the News Media 2007: An Annual Report on American > Journalism, Talk Radio page, at http://www.stateoft > henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ radio_talk_ radio.asp? > cat=3D8&media=3D 9. >=20 > [15]Project on Excellence in Journalism, "The State of > the News Media 2007: An Annual Report on American > Journalism, Talk Radio page, at http://www.stateoft > henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ radio_talk_ radio.asp? > cat=3D8&media=3D 9. >=20 > [16]Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, "Was the > Fairness Doctrine a "Chilling Effect? Evidence from the > Post-deregulation Radio Market," 26 Journal of Legal > Studies 279 (1997). >=20 > Don >=20 > -- "Amy Mousie" > wrote: >=20 > This is proof positive that the abolition of the Fairness > Doctrine was > a Bad Idea-- >=20 > I can prove there are actually FEWER talk radio stations > today, > without the Fairness Doctrine than there were with: Just > eliminate all > the bird-fed takers ands see how many are left. Chances > are, MUCH > fewer than when the Fairness Doctrine was abolished. >=20 > Now, tell me- Was that a good thing? Did it REALLY improve > diversity > of voices and ownership to abolish the Fairness Doctrine? I > don't > think it was, just as much as letting the RIAA have free > reign over > royalty fees that have driven many statiuons from > broadcasting > anything beyond bird-fed programming. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, george russell > wrote: > > > > Yup, the "cookie-cutter" programs. One night > I sat in Durand, MI, > scanned > > the dial, and found 11 stations carrying C2C, and over > a dozen > carrying ESPN...with a lousy car radio! My stomach nearly > empties, > too! G=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 15:03:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48732 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 22:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 22:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 22:03:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 68066 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 22:03:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:03:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:03:38 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <94796.74055.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <855842.66125.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=BZm-oGR08YXsY9k6jDMBWSLQ2HESnN885k3i9sZqPV29Sw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Kevin, are you refering to the Log Cabin Republicans? Hah-hah LOL! Talk about a group of persecuted folks supporting their persecutors! I had a friend that was big on that...until I explained to him that HIS rig= hts were being forestalled by the very people HE supported. Until I set him straight...uh, maybe that's not the best choice of words in= this case...until I got him to see the light, he didn't have a clue! It's kinda like a slave in love with the cruel master because he doesn't ev= en know he is cruel...go figure! G --- On Mon, 8/4/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 8:31 AM > Amy, > =A0 > Thanks.=A0 Well it is true that many people wrongly > interpret what the fairness doctrine is about.=A0 It is > usually because they do not read what it was actually about > and draw premature conclusions.=A0 I think that whether you > are a democrat or republican that you must support both > sides of an issue being presented.=A0 As I said the fairness > doctrine supports a sort of "checks and balances" > system.=A0 It insures that both sides of a story are > presented with equal time on the air.=A0 Why anyone would not > want things presented fairly from both sides is beyond me.=A0 > I myself do tend to lean democrat in thought but I don't > claim allegiance to any party because I have seen good and > bad in both.=A0 In recent years what we've seen is a new > more radical form of both democrat and republicans.=A0 > It's not your grandfathers brand of politicians!=A0 One > thing I see these days are gross misunderstandings of > voters.=A0 Believe it or not i've known folks that > support a party > that doesn't even support their own beliefs or > lifestyle.=A0 For instance, gay republicans...how in the > world do you get that??!=A0 Uhh aren't republicans > against gay rights and marriage?=A0 Geez already!=A0 I have > though seen people like that support republicans.=A0 That is > just one example.=A0 There are other examples from many > different types of people but my point here is people do not > even know what they believe let alone know what a > party's philosophy is about.=A0 This is precisely why the > Fairness Doctrine needs to be re-introduced.=A0 Both sides > need to be shown so that people can learn where they stand > on issues and with whom.=A0 The problem with many things > today is education.=A0 Only about 25% of americans hold a > Bachelors degree and with advanced degrees it's an even > lower percentage.=A0 This is a high school educated nation > but we are in the 21st century and that just simply > isn't enough these days.=A0 I think though that in the > past a high school > education was better than it is now.=A0 I see too many kids > these days that can't point Vietnam or the UK out on a > map.=A0 They have no sense of geography.=A0 Whats more is > there is very little interest in history and you ask a kid > today when the vietnam war was and what it was fought for > and they cannot tell you.=A0 That is still considered recent > history.=A0 It certainly isn't ancient history.=A0 The > fairness doctrine can at least educate people on both sides > of an issue.=A0 I just think its a step in the right > direction.=A0 The sad thing though, and I believe someone > mentioned this, but todays kids don't really listen to > the radio therefore what do we make of this and the fairness > doctrine?=A0 From my research though i've found that kids > do listen to the radio but its mostly lower income kids who > cannot afford an MP3 player let alone a computer to download > and purchase the files with.=A0 Now those kids do listen to > the radio because it is a cheaper form of > entertainment and is readily available.=A0 Perhaps those > lower income kids then may be more educated on at least > their politics shoudl the fairness doctrine be > re-introduced! > =A0 > -Kevin (ClemsonBloke) >=20 > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Amy Mousie > wrote: >=20 > From: Amy Mousie > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:21 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Thank you, clemsonbloke! (There are WAY TOO MANY Kevins to > keep track > of around here!) This is precisely why I've always been > a supporter of > the Fairness Doctrine- It actually ensures DIVERSITY of > thoughts and > opinions in the open market known as DEMOCRACY. I, too, > don't want > lopsided rhetoric from EITHER the Left or Right. >=20 > One big-market station I do know that has continued to > operate as if > the Fairness Doctrine had still been in place is KGO-AM 810 > of San > Francisco, who have a very diverse stable of talkshow hosts > (ALL > local!), and have now enjoyed 30 YEARS as the #1 radio > station in the > San Francisco Bay Area, and its General Manager, Michael > "Mickey" > Luckoff, has been inducted into the National Radio Hall of > Fame for > his 40+ years at the helm of KGO, and doing what radio > SHOULD be > doing, talk or otherwise: SERVING THE COMMUNITY! >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, clemsonbloke > > wrote: > > > > I just graduated my degree in broadcasting and we > studied this.=A0 > Many people get the Fairness Doctrine wrongly.=A0 It was > basically > designed to insure that both sides of a story were > presented such as > democrats and republicans would get equal time to present > their > ideas.=A0 Very unlike what we have today where everything is > dominated > by republican cronies of the bush administration.=A0 I truly > believe > that any news or radio organization for that matter is only > worth its > salt if it provides both sides equally.=A0 I don't > believe all the hot > air these republicans spew but I DO want to hear them and > what they > have to say.=A0 I would be against an all democrat run > operation too.=A0 I > want both sides.=A0 I am educated enough to make up my own > mind.=A0 I > don't need that one lop sided crap that we have today > on republican > crony radio.=A0 Fox news fair and balanced, yeah right!=A0 > They are fair > and balanced=A0 conservative and republican, thats the two > sides you get > from > > those people.=A0 Anyone republican or democrat who > wants to hear > things one sided are just not well informed, educated, or > open > minded=A0for that matter.=A0 I believe our whole system is > based on checks > and balances and I believe the fairness doctrine as I > studied it in > college provided that checks and balances system.=A0 I think > we need > more of that.=A0 From what I can tell its only republican > folks who > dominate talk radio that do not want the fairness doctrine > reinstated.=A0 Wonder why?=A0 Does it ever make you think?=A0 > We've talked > about local small town radio.=A0 Well there was tons more of > that in the > days of the fairness doctrine than there are now.=A0 You > ever wonder > why?=A0 Do you not think rich corporate america wants to > control the > airwaves?=A0 You see they are being controlled now by one > side.=A0 Rich > corporate republican types who do not care for the working > man.=A0 Sure > they wanted the fairness doctrine taken away, that way they > could spew > their one > > sided views on everything.=A0 They could buy up all the > stations and > the hell with any other views, they didn't have to > present them once > the fairness doctrine was taken away.=A0 Too many people > don't > understand this.=A0 It's simple.=A0 It was placed so that > both sides could > be heard equally.=A0 I remember growing up when it was in > place.=A0 I used > to like hearing both sides.=A0 To me its sad that we > don't get both > sides now.=A0 Think folks! >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 15:07:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23157 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 22:07:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 22:07:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 22:07:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28480 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 22:07:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:07:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:07:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <827324.28059.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=ZTgIsCjIPcakXDwGsNUdm45suHruKrqnh4d4ulKF9iKzVA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 You just made the point for me...those with the bucks get what they want, and to hell with the rest of us, even when it is on our backs that they build their filthy empires. G --- On Mon, 8/4/08, ai9e_qrp wrote: > From: ai9e_qrp > Subject: {AMSF} Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 10:16 AM > I too would like to keep the political content out of this > group. Far > too much credit/blame is attributed to the political party > of the > president in office, far too little to the party of the > Congress who > propose and approve the spending and laws the President > must sign or > veto. Personally, I think our political system is too > broke to fix. > McCain will be status quo hell-in-a-handbasket. Obama will > be hell-in- > a-V8-Hemi-powered-handbasket. Yes, he will bring change, > just like > Gorbachev did to the USSR, which no longer exists as a > political > entity. So that is why this conservative supports Obama. > > That said, as a group devoted to broadcasting in general > and AM Stero > in particular, our criticism needs to go toward the FCC, > who has > whored out our radio and TV spectrum to the highest bidder, > > consistantly and shortsightedly, for the past 20+ years. From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 15:14:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41324 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 22:14:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 22:14:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 22:14:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 39921 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 22:14:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:14:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:14:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0C32B776-AA3E-4A7B-AAC0-2D46C9AED5DB@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <147969.39868.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=NJAshS6QG8GbgLtgMhmcFV5ocpJeGDChhhV05au1CKDtTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 It is in Detroit, too, Kevin. Our only station that isn't pegged to the right end of the spectrum has Air America...but come on, how effective is THAT? Fire the talkers who are too busy joking to get down to serious matters, and put somebody articulate like you or I behind the mike! There are no sacred cows in my view, the truth isn't always pleasant, but it should always be told, and proof given. (OK, Thom Hartmann is a good start, I guess) G --- On Mon, 8/4/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:54 AM > On Aug 4, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Richard Wagoner wrote: > > > And very unlike television, newspapers, public radio > and cable news > > which are dominated by democrat cronies. > > It depends on where you live. It might be that way in > California but > in Arizona and Tennessee its way dominated by GOP robots on > the air. > > Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 15:22:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10001 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 22:22:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 22:22:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 22:22:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45614 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 22:22:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:22:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:22:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <40775D2D-4C02-488A-AF4E-A566525BC78D@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <127077.45236.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Ns8AWXiOPWAS_0y6Rnr84TCOVlarXY1mSruzJ0tITNCM-w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Ah yes, the cartoons! Two of them that I could get were hilarious! Unfortunately, I am on an Apple, and it is not mine, and sometimes it goes through a routine that a Windows guy like me can't get past. It downloads, but then won't show what it has downloaded..ughh! But I will keep prodding it...thanks for sending them! --- On Mon, 8/4/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:32 PM > On Aug 4, 2008, at 3:29 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Did you find any C-QUAM stations to "trickle > down" thru it, though? G > > I recently moved from Arizona "The Foreclosure > State" to Tennessee > "The Factory Closure State" and checked for the > first time today for > AM stereo. All I had was a falsing signal from WBIP 1400 in > > Booneville, MS. > > What did you think of the cartoons? > > Kevin > Adamsville, TN From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 15:26:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45866 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 22:26:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 22:26:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 22:26:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61106 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 22:26:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:26:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:26:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <94597.48773.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <762074.60935.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: XERF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=PO9sLUbnu1bLlZWOnm5Eeq38YuOEZ4eOiht3B8QXqaLi2A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Common practice when these stations were expressly going for distance was t= o run low (XEROK) or even no (XERA/early XERF) power in the daytime, then c= rank it up at sundown when the wattage would pay for itself in mileage. Last I heard this was still the routine at XEROK...50 by day, 150 by night. George --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: XERF > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:07 PM > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, george russell > wrote: >=20 > > Powell, when did Rio go into effect?=A0 >=20 > Some time after WW II with updates.=20 >=20 > > Because XEROK bought > > 3 new DX-50s with the express purpose of running one > in the > > day and all three at night. > > You are bursting my image of the mighty 800, here! > > George >=20 > Normally the day power limit is 100 K day and 50 nights. I > might want to ask Peter on the [BC] list as he knows all > that good stuff.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell =20=20=20=20=20=20 From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 15:33:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50498 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 22:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 22:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.223) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 22:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 22:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.254] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 22:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2008 22:33:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 998389.70746.bm@omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 32127 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 22:33:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.125 with plain) by smtp123.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 22:33:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VewCY7QVM1kVZDnNXgJSd57M2ImNV3L_wcMLoeXYHPGc.RLO0a5jk1h3wvpnBm8HkgQsIohuf3tsxWe.OWxTGlq5LjdYncI5qs9RBmGK2wxQgJMf.zMq2RctksVfhAqTzA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <127077.45236.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <127077.45236.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:33:13 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Ni09LPyF8gHV-NXbSEPe2yHSUcnZbg2bAN725HVBK5wInchb6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Unfortunately, I am on an Apple, and it is not mine, and sometimes > it goes through a routine that a Windows guy like me can't get > past. I They were sent on a Mac. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 15:40:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50442 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 22:40:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 22:40:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 22:40:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 52327 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 22:40:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:40:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:40:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080804.142919.5124.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <304949.51065.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=JQUCXBkgx8nFFa0EvdUL-pJjzkk-sczfr3Q3DQptWX-jNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 This will stick in even MORE throats, but it needs to be said... Instead of universal health care, how about (a) price controls on a very greedy genre of business, health care, and (b) a minimum wage high enough to AFFORD a doctor? When a hospital can charge you $25 for a couple aspirin tablets because they serve them in a paper cup at your bedside (I've SEEN this on an itemized bill!), how in the hell is anybody working for slave wages supposed to get cared for? Seems to me this is all a very convenient way to thin the herd of anybody that hasn't "succeeded", i.e. drives an expensive car, wears a $500 watch, or lives on the "right" side of the tracks. I WORK for a living (if you could even call it a living), and God help me if I even need a tooth pulled! George --- On Mon, 8/4/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:29 PM > We have, in fact, too much freedom of the press in this > country. The public figure doctrine needs to be revised, the > Fairness Doctrine needs to be revived, there must be brakes > and restraints on unpopular speech and deception, otherwise > they will propagate like bacteria through a population. > > It is absolutely necessary to muzzle every elected and > appointed member of our government. How do we treat news > outlets that mistakenly report an item or regurgitate > governmental press releases that are false or wrong? What > should we do with those who are deemed to be dangerous > demagogues? Silence them? Ban them from any government > licensed broadcasting station or public forum? Arrest them? > Where do you draw the line when the line keeps moving? > Should Al Franken, Jon Stewart or Randi Rhodes have greater > rights to express their opinions and philosophies than a > Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity? I doubt even the ACLU would > condone that. However, he implied assumption in some of > these comments would say, yes. "Correct speech ONLY > will be tolerated!" > > I trust you all found your Kool-Aid to be delicious. It has > obviously been effective. > > I don't recall very much in the Constitution about > "Qualified" freedom of speech. To my thinking, > that sort of reasoning would call into question our other > freedoms such as life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. > > The Fairness Doctrine was a bust from the beginning. It was > just another intrusion into our society by a bunch of power > hungry politicians determined to silence those with whom > they hated or feared. There was nothing fair about the > Fairness Doctrine. The FD did nothing more than create yet > another layer of government regulations upon radio and TV > stations requiring them to hunt down or put on every single > point of view on virtually any semi-political or > controversial issue that was expressed on the station. > Anyone who lived through the FD times can tell you that > every nut ball and his brother were constantly banging on > the station's door, demanding free time and threatening > to report you to the FCC if you ignored them. What a > country! Exempt from all of this were the print media. How > was that fair? The Internet was not even a thought in those > days. > > Now that we are in the digital age, why shouldn't > Congress renew and extend the FD to include print media and > everything on the Internet? Are we all, not guaranteed equal > protection under the constitution? Why stop with broadcast > stations? Let's go find those bastards and shut them up! > Let's go set up committees as to what is acceptable > speech! Political correctness could soar to new heights. > > Where should it stop? How far should it go? Just who is > going to be selected and charged with the responsibility of > 1) identifying the demagogic offenders, 2) determine what > constitutes bacterial demagogic speech and 3) how to rectify > those demagogues? Who decides what, according to Mr. Todd is > deceptive, or a falsehood? The politically appointed FCC? A > partisan Congress? A "citizens committee" made up > of political appointees? > > Are we to turn over the determination of what constitutes > media free speech to the same people who gave us the IRS? > Those same elected officials who continually refuse to > simplify the tax codes and legislate heavy fines and > penalties and even imprison any who violates those laws? > Your personal privacy? What government agency knows more > about every individual in this country than the IRS? > > What about the great job Congress has done with Social > Security? A system that started as a sham because the > government figured that given the average longevity of the > time, that the majority of contributors would never live > long enough to collect for more than a short period of time. > Universal Health Care? What should we call it when our right > to choose our health care is taken away from us, in favor of > a government run system? > > Limbaugh and all the others, no matter what their political > agenda is, and, I know this will stick in the throats of > many, should be completely free to spew whatever they want. > Otherwise, we put ourselves on the same road as the HUAC of > the 1950's and the Chinese Red Guards of the 1960's. > > Don > > -- clemsonbloke wrote: > I just graduated my degree in broadcasting and we studied > this. Many people get the Fairness Doctrine wrongly. It > was basically designed to insure that both sides of a story > were presented such as democrats and republicans would get > equal time to present their ideas. Very unlike what we have > today where everything is dominated by republican cronies of > the bush administration. I truly believe that any news or > radio organization for that matter is only worth its salt if > it provides both sides equally. I don't believe all the > hot air these republicans spew but I DO want to hear them > and what they have to say. I would be against an all > democrat run operation too. I want both sides. I am > educated enough to make up my own mind. I don't need > that one lop sided crap that we have today on republican > crony radio. Fox news fair and balanced, yeah right! They > are fair and balanced conservative and republican, thats > the two sides you get from > those people. Anyone republican or democrat who wants to > hear things one sided are just not well informed, educated, > or open minded for that matter. I believe our whole system > is based on checks and balances and I believe the fairness > doctrine as I studied it in college provided that checks and > balances system. I think we need more of that. From what I > can tell its only republican folks who dominate talk radio > that do not want the fairness doctrine reinstated. Wonder > why? Does it ever make you think? We've talked about > local small town radio. Well there was tons more of that in > the days of the fairness doctrine than there are now. You > ever wonder why? Do you not think rich corporate america > wants to control the airwaves? You see they are being > controlled now by one side. Rich corporate republican types > who do not care for the working man. Sure they wanted the > fairness doctrine taken away, that way they could spew their > one > sided views on everything. They could buy up all the > stations and the hell with any other views, they didn't > have to present them once the fairness doctrine was taken > away. Too many people don't understand this. It's > simple. It was placed so that both sides could be heard > equally. I remember growing up when it was in place. I > used to like hearing both sides. To me its sad that we > don't get both sides now. Think folks! > > -Kevin > > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: > > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 5:03 PM > > > > > > > Regulating speech in order to alter its content is exactly > the sort of meddling that the First Amendment is meant to > prohibit. > > Should the fairness doctrine be reinstated, the possibility > of a challenge even if the challenge ultimately failed, the > cost of defending against it could be substantial to the > extent that I would cancel all talk programming from my > stations. I don't know what available programming would > attract the demographic audience that my customers demand. > It just may mean that my investment value could be radically > diminished and a distressed property sale may be the result. > Fortunately I purchased these sticks as "distressed > property" in the mid 80's so I may not suffer much > of a loss. It's time for me to retire anyway. > > Policy discussion on the airwaves for decades was, for the > most part, as bland as cottage cheese. In practice, the > so-called fairness doctrine was deeply unfair. > > Restricting free speech and government controls on media > content is anathema to our constitutional guarantees of free > speech. Stalinists, of course, do not agree. > > History always proves them wrong: > > "Our massive strategy was to use the Fairness Doctrine > to challenge and harass right-wing broadcasters and hope the > challenges would be so costly to them that they would be > inhibited and decide it was too expensive to continue." > > --Bill Ruder, Democratic campaign consultant and Assistant > Secretary of Commerce, Kennedy Administration[ 1] > > "The main thing is the Post is going to have damnable, > damnable problems out of [its Watergate coverage]. They have > a television station...and they are going to have to get it > renewed." > > --President Richard Nixon[2] > > Should the federal government mandate "fairness" > in broadcasting? "Yes," say some Members of > Congress, including Speaker of the House Nancy Pols, who > reportedly said this week that House leaders would > "aggressively pursue" legislation to reinstate the > "Fairness Doctrine."[3] Until it was abolished in > 1987, this Federal Communications Commission rule required > broadcasters to air all sides of controversial issues. > > At first glance, the rule may sound innocuous. Fairness is, > after all, a basic American value. But as a matter of > principle, any such government controls on media content is > anathema to constitutional guarantees of free speech. And in > practice, the so-called fairness doctrine was deeply unfair. > > Dulling Down Broadcasting > > Rather than foster full and fair discussion of public > issues, the real effect of the Fairness Doctrine was to > discourage discussion of controversial issues of any kind. > It's no coincidence that such media as talk > radio--virtually non-existent while the rule was in > place--flowered after its repeal. Rather than the vast > wasteland of bland muzak-like discussion it was before, > broadcasting- - especially radio--has become a platform for > vibrant and controversial debate on countless issues. > > The Fairness Doctrine was developed by the FCC over a long > period, based on its broad authority under the > Communications Act to regulate the airwaves. The rule was > first articulated in 1949, when television was in its > infancy and radio meant a handful of AM stations in each > market. In its final form, the rule required broadcasters to > "afford reasonable opportunity for discussion of > contrasting points of view on controversial matters of > public importance." [4] > > The vagueness of the standard left quite a bit of > uncertainty. What is a "reasonable" opportunity? > How many "contrasting" views? Station managers > whose programming ventured too far into controversial > subjects could quite easily find themselves subject to a > fairness doctrine challenge. And even if the challenge > ultimately failed, the cost of defending against it could be > substantial. So the safe route for most was to stay far away > from controversy. As a result, policy discussion on the > airwaves for decades was, for the most part, as bland as > cottage cheese. > > Political Abuse > > This "chilling" effect was exacerbated by > political abuse of the system. Politicians of both parties > used the doctrine to further their political ends. Political > strategists for Kennedy and Johnson, for example, > consciously used the Fairness Doctrine to cow political > opponents. According to statements from party activists, > there was an explicit strategy to raise the cost of critical > programming, and thus get it dropped entirely. > "Perhaps...our tactics were too aggressive," one > party operative is quoted as saying, "but we were up > against ultra-right preachers who were saying vicious things > about Kennedy and Johnson."[5] > > The political use of the Fairness Doctrine was brought to > new heights by President Richard Nixon. According to Jesse > Walker of Reason magazine, "private activists directed > by the Republican National Committee regularly filed > Fairness Doctrine challenges against stations whose > reporting angered the White House."[6] > > Demise of the Fairness Doctrine > > The constitutionality of the Fairness Doctrine was > challenged in the 1969 case Red Lion v. FCC[7], involving a > religious broadcaster who was fined by the FCC for not > providing a person criticized on the air an opportunity to > reply. The Supreme Court upheld the rule, reasoning that > because broadcast frequencies were scarce, the government > may intervene in broadcast media in ways that would not be > allowed toward traditional media, such as newspapers. > > The decision in Red Lion, however, has been subject to > intense criticism.[8] And in 1987, the FCC rescinded the > Fairness Doctrine, finding it to be contrary to the > Constitution as well as bad policy.[9] In its landmark > decision, the Commission wrote: > > We believe that the role of the electronic press in our > society is the same as that of the printed press. Both are > sources of information and viewpoint. Accordingly, the > reasons for proscribing government intrusion into the > editorial discretion of print journalists provide the same > basis for proscribing such interference into the editorial > discretion of broadcast journalists. [10] > > The FCC's decision to rescind the doctrine was later > upheld by a federal appeals court. In so doing, however, the > court did not pass judgment on the constitutionality of the > rule and instead relied on the FCC's policy findings > that it did not serve the public interest.[11] > > Red Lion is still formally in place. But in years since, > the basic "spectrum scarcity" rationale of Red > Lion (and thus the constitutionality of fairness rules) has > become ever weaker. Not only have new broadcast frequencies- > -such as the UHF television and FM radio bands--been put > into use, but entirely new systems such as cable TV and > satellite radio have been created, offering consumers > hundreds of channels when before they only had a > handful.[12] And the Internet has made notions of scarcity > almost meaningless. [13] > > At the same time, broadcasters- -especially radio > broadcasters- -became much more willing to air controversial > points of view, in large part because of the repeal of the > FCC's fairness rule. Most notably, talk radio, which had > been a relatively rare format, exploded in scope and > popularity. In 1990, there were some 400 stations with a > talk show format nationwide. By 2006, there were more than > 1,400 stations devoted entirely to talk formats.[14] > Programming shed its cottage cheese-like character, as > controversial new hosts, such as Rush Limbaugh, gained > airtime and the freedom to express strong opinions and views > without fear of regulatory reprisal. According to the > Project for Excellence in Journalism: > > With the [Fairness] Doctrine's repeal, radio shows > could become more one-sided, more free-wheeling, ideological > and political. And it didn't take long. One of the first > to gain popularity under the new rules was a new voice out > of California named Rush Limbaugh. Within a year or two of > the new rules, Limbaugh's provocative denunciations of > Democrats became a phenomenon. Stations quickly began to > pick up his syndicated show, and other conservative names > followed his lead. Being controversial seemed a plus.[15] > > Not all the changes, of course, were due to the Fairness > Doctrine repeal. Other factors, such as the rise of FM > radio, were at work. But, as documented by economists Thomas > Hazlett and David W. Sosa, the regulatory change had a > substantial causal effect.[16] > > Government-Enforced "Balance" > > Many supporters of the Fairness Doctrine are concerned > about this explosion of information because they see it as > the wrong kind of information. Many are frankly concerned > about the amount of "conservative" programming, > especially in talk radio, and would like to see a different > balance. > > Certainly, conservative- oriented talk radio has been more > successful than left-leaning radio programming. But > broadcasting is only one small part of today's media > universe, which includes not just radio and television > broadcasting but print, cable, and Internet sources. > Conservatives have had no lock on opportunities, even in > radio. Programming with a liberal bent, from Mario > Cuomo's show to Air America, has been given > opportunities and will get more. > > Moreover, arguments that the Fairness Doctrine is needed > because certain types of media are too conservative, too > negative, too partisan, or too anything actually strengthen > the case against the regulation. Any law that is targeted at > media based on the content of what is being said raises > greater constitutional concerns and is much less likely to > pass constitutional muster--and for good reason. Regulating > speech in order to alter its content is exactly the sort of > meddling that the First Amendment is meant to prohibit. It > is simply not the job of politicians to "correct" > the mix of opinions being expressed in the marketplace of > ideas, even if--and especially if--they disagree with those > opinions. > > Conclusion > > The Federal Communications Commission did the right thing > 20 years ago in throwing this unnecessary, > counter-productive, and unwise restriction on speech into > the regulatory dustbin. It should be left there. To do > otherwise would be dangerous and obviously unconstitutional. > > [1]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free > Speech," The American Conservative, April 23, 2007, at > http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ article3. html. > > [2]Quoted in Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, > "Chilling the Internet? Lessons from FCC Regulation of > Radio Broadcasting, " Cato Institute Policy Analysis > No. 270, March 19, 1997. > > [3]See "Her Royal Fairness, The American Spectator, > May 14, 2007, at http://www.spectato r.org/dsp_ article.asp? > art_id=11427. > > [4]For general background on the development of the rule, > see Museum of Broadcast Communications, "Fairness > Doctrine" at http://www.museum. tv/archives/ > etv/F/htmlF/ fairnessdoct/ fairnessdoct. htm. > > [5]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free > Speech," The American Conservative, April 23, 2007, at > http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ article3. html. > > [6]Ibid. > > [7]Red Lion v. FCC, 395 U.S. 367 (1969). > > [8]See, e.g.., William Van Alstyne, The Mobius Strip of the > First Amendment: Perspectives on Red Lion, 29 S. Carolina. > L. Rev. 539, 547-48 (1978) (listing many of the leading > articles in the first decade after the decision) at > http://eprints. law.duke. edu/archive/ 00000564/ 01/29_S._ > C._L._Rev. _539_(1978-1979). pdf. > > [9]The agency had originally declined to consider the > question of whether the rule was constitutional. In early > 1987, however, a federal court held that the FCC could not > enforce the doctrine unless it considered the constitutional > objections. Meredith v. FCC, 809 F. 2d 863 (1987). > > [10]Syracuse Peace Council, 2 FCC Reports 5043 (1987). > > [11]Syracuse Peace Council, 867 F. 2d 654 (D.C. Cir. > (1989)). > > [12]Many believe that due to these developments, combined > with the longstanding legal criticism of the Red Lion case, > were it to be reconsidered today, it would be decided > differently. A study published two years ago by the FCC > itself makes this case convincingly. See, John W. > Berresford, "The Scarcity Rationale for Regulating > Traditional Broadcasting: An Idea Whose Time Has > Passed," FCC Media Bureau Staff Research Paper, March > 2005, at http://hraunfoss. fcc.gov/edocs_ public/attachmat > ch/DOC-257534A1. pdf. > > [13]See Adam D. Thierer, "The Media Cornucopia," > City Journal, Spring 2007, at http://www.city- journal.org/ > html/17_2_ media.html. > > [14]Project on Excellence in Journalism, "The State of > the News Media 2007: An Annual Report on American > Journalism, Talk Radio page, at http://www.stateoft > henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ radio_talk_ radio.asp? > cat=8&media= 9. > > [15]Project on Excellence in Journalism, "The State of > the News Media 2007: An Annual Report on American > Journalism, Talk Radio page, at http://www.stateoft > henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ radio_talk_ radio.asp? > cat=8&media= 9. > > [16]Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, "Was the > Fairness Doctrine a "Chilling Effect? Evidence from the > Post-deregulation Radio Market," 26 Journal of Legal > Studies 279 (1997). > > Don > > -- "Amy Mousie" > wrote: > > This is proof positive that the abolition of the Fairness > Doctrine was > a Bad Idea-- > > I can prove there are actually FEWER talk radio stations > today, > without the Fairness Doctrine than there were with: Just > eliminate all > the bird-fed takers ands see how many are left. Chances > are, MUCH > fewer than when the Fairness Doctrine was abolished. > > Now, tell me- Was that a good thing? Did it REALLY improve > diversity > of voices and ownership to abolish the Fairness Doctrine? I > don't > think it was, just as much as letting the RIAA have free > reign over > royalty fees that have driven many statiuons from > broadcasting > anything beyond bird-fed programming. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, george russell > wrote: > > > > Yup, the "cookie-cutter" programs. One night > I sat in Durand, MI, > scanned > > the dial, and found 11 stations carrying C2C, and over > a dozen > carrying ESPN...with a lousy car radio! My stomach nearly > empties, > too! G > > > /info/terms/ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 15:44:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68919 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2008 22:44:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2008 22:44:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2008 22:44:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98394 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2008 22:44:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:44:20 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:44:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <985428.97507.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=DlhTvRkM4PcNB2fkbBqAGwd6Fl8tAUu6ytBDAVaLrZhcAw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yeah, but sent from ANYTHING, they get lost in some time/space warp in this rig. It's not mine, or it would have been fixed/figured out a long time ago! Most of my friends have had pity on me, and send images embedded in the letter, so that it appears as part of the text field. I WILL get them on the screen eventually, some times on the tenth download or so, suddenly everything works right. I'll try again after dinner... George --- On Mon, 8/4/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 6:33 PM > > Unfortunately, I am on an Apple, and it is not mine, > and sometimes > > it goes through a routine that a Windows guy like me > can't get > > past. I > > They were sent on a Mac. > > Kevin From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Aug 04 17:49:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19213 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 00:49:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 00:49:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 00:49:48 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.204] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080804194923101439000010> for ; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:49:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004b01c8f695$aa8593e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <676040.43670.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:49:23 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:unmuting a Chrysler Infinity radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=orP3p2A7PIg93t07RW0chQ-7ypQN9pl8VfeyGm7lJkEP6fPgKZdo X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes it is. It came out of a 94 Chrysler New Yorker. I wanted an older version with the five band equalizer. Model number is 5269 425 Issue 1 Date code 0783 Supplier 28046 Ser.# 33190500A plus a couple of other unidentified numbers at the bottom of the tag RX-694B 349-024 Saved a few bucks on it because it was more than 10 years old, and saved even further because I pulled it myself. Hope this helps. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com However, I think SOME of the 'Infinity' units have the amps at the speakers, rather than in the 'head unit', so the output of the unit might be a 'low level' signal for the amplified speakers (I hate to say). Is your radio the standard unit with the grey connector and the black connector? What model? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 17:57:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45422 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 00:57:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 00:57:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 00:57:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16452 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 00:57:56 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.124] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:57:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:57:56 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <94597.48773.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <789628.16090.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Rio Treaty info from Peter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=avOOmzYy8dVCfawx19QE1sx_wW8bi3Iek5B5c65kU3A X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Here is what Peter H said on the [BC] list. He calls the 800 XELO........ Ex. XERF is notified at 250 kW, but it hasn't had a 250 kW transmitter in half a century. And, in fact, it was operated at 10 kW for many decades and until very recently. Now, it is at 50 kW, but still five-times less than its notified power. XELO is notified at 150 kW, but it is running 100 kW or 50 kW, depending upon whom you choose to believe. IF ... and that is a big if ... they are a Class A and were notified at a power and efficiency in excess of 50 kW and 362.10 mV/m/kW at 1 km (both of which are the minimum power and efficiency for the class), then they may maintain their notified power and efficiency. 540 is notified at 150 kW, and it is also notified at 440 mV/m/kW at 1 km, but such a tower would be 1,130 feet tall, and the actual height of the tower is more like 680 feet. Over time, these apparent anomalies are being shaken out of the system. Incidentally, XELA is one of two (830 and 1030) which were special arrangements during NARBA, for which the United States got 800 and 900, grandfathered at 5 kW ND-U, and for Alaska, only, in return for 830 and 1030, also grandfathered at 5 kW ND-U, for Mexico City, only. XELA is still running 5 kW nights, but 10 kW days, and Alaska has abandoned one of its two entitled frequencies on account of interference from Canada. (The rash of Class I-N allocations more than made up for it as Alaska now has more Class A stations than any other state). The 830 and 1030 allocations to Mexico, and the corresponding 800 and 900 allocations to the United States, are Class II-B allocations, hence Class B allocations, and those always have a day ceiling of 50 kW, but a night ceiling of 5 kW, unless and until the U.S.-Mexican Standard Broadcast Agreement is renegotiated. However, before "Rio" rearranged the deck chairs on the Titanic, all four stations rigidly maintained compliance with the 5 kW ND-U treaty requirement. As far as I am aware, Mexico has never abrogated its standard broadcast treaties with the United States. In fact, Mexico appears to be living within both the letter and the spirit of those treaties, as once "Rio" became effective, and Class II-Bs (Class Bs) were limited to 50 kW, Mexico reduced its one Class II-B/Class B 100/50 kW operation to 50/50 kW. XETRA is a Class A, and under "Rio", 100 kW is permitted. But, then there is the problem of 710 in L.A. So, XETRA apparently elected to maintain, but not increase the "prohibited overlap", and chose 77 kW days, and a revised day pattern, which day pattern sends about the same mV/m towards L.A. as its old day pattern and 50 kW day power sent. "Rio" also mandated that all Class I-As operate at 50 kW, if they were not already doing so. Hence, ZNS-1 (1540) and CBU (1580) both installed 50 kW transmitters and DA-1 arrays so that the letter of the "Rio" treaty would be met. NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Aug 04 17:58:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85384 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 00:58:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 00:58:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 00:58:27 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.204] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080804195755102609100010> for ; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:57:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005f01c8f696$db727da0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <004601c8f5ec$5f98de40$0301010a@seagull> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:57:55 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ndo-mrZOYxRIxhBbFj72oU27TEIqFcqURYVYEkCUCw0FJGdhHjUS X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think the average folk hate us, by and large, but the government leaders in much of the world do. In the third world so much of our foreign aid is siphoned off by the kleptocrats in power that it makes me wonder whether it's even worth it. There was a book with the title "The Tragedy of American Compassion" which outlined this very well. In Europe they've been so dependent upon our military I believe they truly don't know how dangerous a world we really live in. Those are the two prime sources of my cynicism towards the Useless Nations, not a contempt for the average Omar, Svetlana or Julio. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: Scott Todd > Frankly I don't care if the world hates us because the petty > potentates and kleptocrats of the UN remind me more of the > bar room scene of Star Wars than a reasonable bunch of folks. Scott ... Why don't you care if the world hates you? Hatred results in extremism and terrorism. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Aug 04 18:11:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86836 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 01:11:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 01:11:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 01:11:56 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.204] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080804201144101044600010> for ; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:11:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009001c8f698$c954d120$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <731447.9430.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:11:44 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=EwnjFOFpb1kl7SqeFhUYHJd0oF43uHPbPT3DuVRMN3LhTik42pmf X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kid, you're way to young to be telling me what it was like under the fairness doctrine. You're in love with an idea but you never lived through it's negative consequences. As Don said, it sounds innocuous and fairness is a basic American virtue, but indeed it was used as a hammer by politicians of both parties to silence the opposition. And his bland as cottage cheese description was pretty accurate. As for your assertion that small town radio died because of its repeal, sorry again, but there are plenty of other factors at work that have diminished its effectiveness. A good example is the Minnesota iron range northwest of Duluth. The old school stations are either gone or on the bird as there are far more stations up there than there ever used to be. Gone are the days when one or two stations served a small town. One other point, and you can look up the government statistics if you don't believe me, but the ultra rich vote Democrat 2:1 over Republican. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 18:14:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38856 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 01:14:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 01:14:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.40) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 01:14:04 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n13.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 01:14:03 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.69] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 01:14:03 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 01:14:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 675148.16915.bm@omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 86777 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 01:14:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.125 with plain) by smtp124.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 01:14:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: byh.YgcVM1nd5GzARcZ99kFJk2HSALSl7rEuELh8QHeIYf3djztW1lYdOIRPbo4j8pb_5Vyw_vYGzm_KETNeBDqnDqy6fIIC8e5TrV1KbvkpUsDwlrYCtn8G1KiKiY.d0g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <009001c8f698$c954d120$d503fea9@stodd> References: <731447.9430.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <009001c8f698$c954d120$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:13:59 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=JVlprNl87gwY7Xh8BSa-lA0TugfzFIM2LPIjcmk9nZj3LtXBsQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 4, 2008, at 8:11 PM, wrote: > One other point, and you can look up the government statistics if > you don't believe me, but the ultra rich vote Democrat 2:1 over > Republican. Its because they are smart. Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Mon Aug 04 18:36:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57936 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 01:36:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 01:36:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 01:36:28 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail11.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.151]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEKRMVSAFF9ZU2 for (sender ); Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:35:44 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD5aYpF+m1OQ2R72gekAKbQU= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail11.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NRSW45WD; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:35:10 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.244.200] by webmail11.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 01:34:41 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 01:34:41 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080804.183441.1277.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:3:94191127 X-MAIL-INFO:49333fda0b6a8e2b4e4e8f3fcec3ea8eae3e8b6e27673adfea0bee6e0bceef33477feede43eb7b032b2a7f0e8f879ec77b3b022e5a873b630e37330b07bb3ba7ef3f33abf39fcfd3 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.151|webmail11.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=0vsP51dksS4sL0luW6I-Lw3tunKGzSewE4F3PNl2iQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Are you insinuating that george russell is stupid? -- kevin redding wrote: Its because they are smart. Kevin On Aug 4, 2008, at 8:11 PM, wrote: > One other point, and you can look up the government statistics if=20=20 > you don't believe me, but the ultra rich vote Democrat 2:1 over=20=20 > Republican. From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 18:41:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59581 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 01:41:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 01:41:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.48) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 01:41:32 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 01:41:32 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.246] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 01:41:32 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 01:41:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 336362.58037.bm@omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 93709 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 01:41:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.125 with plain) by smtp124.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 01:41:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0QaxcxQVM1ng2NmImTPAUaCh.CUI0oRkPu7IiH1nWxzLoGST5NOAxzLq.GYOML5flZGVTSFrciaNv8.ixbI7hqK4wjQtkYMLir6hoBs1Vr0xl4xNWhwSWN4G9QhnS31Gnw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20080804.183441.1277.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> References: <20080804.183441.1277.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:41:30 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Qp1hoHnOg5oiaz7Wn7OgKtLzgdjGZijXR0JuIsfM3u1Z9Jbyww X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla If Ultra rich people vote 2:1 for Democrats they must be smart. If George Russell votes for Democrats he is smart and has a compassionate heart. At least thats what I get out of what he says on this list. You don't have to be ultra rich to be smart and vote for Democrats. I believe that most people who are Republican are out for themselves and not as smart as Democrats. If Republicans were like Eisenhower, I would like them a lot more. Kevin On Aug 5, 2008, at 1:34 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Are you insinuating that george russell is stupid? > > -- kevin redding wrote: > > Its because they are smart. From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 18:53:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60612 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 01:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 01:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 01:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 01:53:35 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.241] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 01:53:38 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 01:53:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 705409.97047.bm@omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 46822 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 01:53:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.120.197.103 with plain) by smtp130.plus.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 01:53:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZDw_Eh8VM1lDbr4ewd6DFtGLHvFGPkpu292lUyiIHCfYhdBD0knNjmUjGgjAbBwWqo2SXcetjI4L8dZXQUMG6vwMzvRoU8TxLm1GktZZzW_yw6eqOFDxLBlgtNliWjD0zg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:53:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Good luck Houstonians and Western Louisianans X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=YBY31EwnkpfmcT6u2Kwc-Mf67pyNYD3y9yFEhHqvVtooXKSFhg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla To those who live in Southeast Texas around Houston and in Southwestern Louisiana, my thoughts and prayers are with you, as you are looking at a storm that could become a hurricane. If there is any more AM stereo stations in the area, lets hope they are not damaged and any more AM stereo is lost. Hopefully if there is damage, I hope the Republican Administration of the Federal Government does not treat you all as they have the people of New Orleans. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 19:41:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18035 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 02:41:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 02:41:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 02:41:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49127 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 02:41:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:41:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:41:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080804.183441.1277.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <852477.48938.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=tCxuW1soQSQcHYf9FNPWci7_gmcZDdoyk7REgZGUSD71lQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 --- On Mon, 8/4/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 9:34 PM > Are you insinuating that george russell > is stupid? > > -- kevin redding wrote: > > Its because they are smart. > > Kevin > > > On Aug 4, 2008, at 8:11 PM, > wrote: > > > One other point, and you can look up the government > statistics if > > you don't believe me, but the ultra rich vote > Democrat 2:1 over > > Republican. From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 19:49:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81737 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 02:49:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 02:49:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 02:49:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 41408 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 02:49:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:49:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:49:05 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <964781.41342.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=YJ_q2_vz02zgQmhg-XbiG-lba_Rh6iSlZoKiRuFK9sN7ug X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Thanks, Kevin! You're half right anyway...I have a HUGE compassionate heart (that sometimes gets me into trouble!), but smart? Well, maybe not by today's standards, but I DO think for myself, and some people hate that, because I'm not easily snowed by the status quo. It is all about compassion, isn't it? Too many people are so stuck on "me, me, ME!" that they don't remember that they are NOT the only people on the planet. I long ago adopted a "live and let live" philosophy, and think that one man's rights extend all the way to...another man's rights! Flush..uh, that's Rush has a right to spew his twisted and outright false statistics all he pleases...and I have the right to change the station! (Thank God for variable capacitors, hah-hah!) George --- On Mon, 8/4/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 9:41 PM > If Ultra rich people vote 2:1 for Democrats they must be > smart. > > If George Russell votes for Democrats he is smart and has a > > compassionate heart. At least thats what I get out of what > he says on > this list. You don't have to be ultra rich to be smart > and vote for > Democrats. > > I believe that most people who are Republican are out for > themselves > and not as smart as Democrats. If Republicans were like > Eisenhower, I > would like them a lot more. > > Kevin > > On Aug 5, 2008, at 1:34 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > > Are you insinuating that george russell > is stupid? > > > > -- kevin redding wrote: > > > > Its because they are smart. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 21:54:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99419 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 04:54:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 04:54:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 04:54:05 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 04:54:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 04:54:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 04:54:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 04:54:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.41 From: "jotape1960" Subject: ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=UHpsAfB2F9TDB-HTS7AyGGt4nxl0fudPJwkoKGR27WvRZ2jiqg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: >=20 > > At last, a technical question: Does somebody know if someone=20 tested=20 > > the possibility to transmit C-QUAM and ISB at the same time,=20 with=20 > > only one TX? >=20 > Can't be done simultaneously- The L-R in the quadrature of one is=20 the > reverse audio polarity of that of the other. You can alternate=20 between > the two with the same TX, even the same board, with a minimal extra > circuitry. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Amy!!! You're right if you use the original Kahn and C-QUAM systems. But if you use the same RF carrier and split it into two separate=20 ways: one to get ISB (without the carrier, only the sidebands) and=20 the other to get C-QUAM (without the final envelope modulator, just=20 the QUAM signal) and then you join the two ways into only one=20 signal... I think it must to work. Nobody tested it? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Aug 04 22:06:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58741 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 05:06:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 05:06:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.118) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 05:06:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 05:06:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 05:06:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 05:06:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 05:06:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005f01c8f696$db727da0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.118 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.41 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=vgwUocvh9vQpIyrIMB3qjMeQ51vISZJmzzU1XliY1LJHBPwxDw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > I don't think the average folk hate us, by and large, but the=20 government leaders in much of the world do. In the third world so=20 much of our foreign aid is siphoned off by the kleptocrats in power=20 that it makes me wonder whether it's even worth it. There was a=20 book with the title "The Tragedy of American Compassion" which=20 outlined this very well. In Europe they've been so dependent upon=20 our military I believe they truly don't know how dangerous a world=20 we really live in. Those are the two prime sources of my cynicism=20 towards the Useless Nations, not a contempt for the average Omar,=20 Svetlana or Julio. >=20 > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Ian Davidson=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 >=20=20=20=20 > From: Scott Todd >=20=20=20=20 > > Frankly I don't care if the world hates us because the petty > > potentates and kleptocrats of the UN remind me more of the > > bar room scene of Star Wars than a reasonable bunch of folks. >=20 > Scott ... Why don't you care if the world hates you? Hatred=20 results in > extremism and terrorism. >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > I don't think the world hates USA, despite USA has done a lot of=20 things to deserve it (for example, here in Chile, when=20 USA "undirectly" removed Allende and put Pinochet; I'm not=20 criticizing the results, I'm talking about the fact). I think the world loves some USA things (rock music, technology,=20 cars, etc.). The problem is: Did USA learn from the past mistakes? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 04 23:52:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59991 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 06:52:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 06:52:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 06:52:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31535 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 06:52:16 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 06:52:15 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 06:52:15 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <565061.24477.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <64456.31516.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=8_1LvMmZr02wPouV3490S0hQ6Oxr7q7XXoZSlyKqcunh8L5AvfFq X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what I said it was a= bout unless you are saying that my professors are wrong and that the textbo= oks are wrong! =A0 -Kevin --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 9:59 AM NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Amy Mousie wrote: > Thank you, clemsonbloke! (There are WAY TOO MANY Kevins to > keep track > of around here!) This is precisely why I've always been > a supporter of > the Fairness Doctrine- It actually ensures DIVERSITY of > thoughts and > opinions in the open market known as DEMOCRACY. I, too, > don't want > lopsided rhetoric from EITHER the Left or Right. Now that is a lie. The old Fairness Doctine did no such thing. It was used = policitally by BOTH parties to stifle talk and ideas. Now, of course the ne= w one would be specifically written to close down talk radio. So much has b= een admitted in hushed circles.=20 > One big-market station I do know that has continued to > operate as if > the Fairness Doctrine had still been in place is KGO-AM 810 > of San > Francisco, who have a very diverse stable of talkshow hosts > (ALL > local!), and have now enjoyed 30 YEARS as the #1 radio > station in the > San Francisco Bay Area, and its General Manager, Michael > "Mickey" > Luckoff, has been inducted into the National Radio Hall of > Fame for > his 40+ years at the helm of KGO, and doing what radio > SHOULD be > doing, talk or otherwise: SERVING THE COMMUNITY! That's not what I have heard.=20 Powell =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 04 23:53:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63253 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 06:53:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 06:53:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 06:53:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30830 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 06:53:07 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 06:53:07 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 06:53:07 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20B78B6B-DC1F-46D7-8787-4FC153C7BA44@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <838506.30369.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=8ZhEwgo9wusiqPbEDnN-TGA11Yb0n8PIQ39zGprY864J4iXg9dvC X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Television dominated by Democrats?=A0 Where?=A0 What about Fox News?=A0 Fai= r and Balanced?=A0 What about all the Christian networks?> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Richard Wagoner wrote: From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:45 AM And very unlike television, newspapers, public radio and cable news=20 which are dominated by democrat cronies. I always find it interesting that liberals are soooo concerned about=20 conservative talk radio (which isn't truly much of a ratings success=20 outside of a FEW shows) and think that the other media is fine as it=20 is ... totally liberal biases and all . On Aug 4, 2008, at 1:50 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Very unlike what we have today where everything is dominated by=20 > republican cronies of the bush administration. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 04 23:53:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29470 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 06:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 06:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 06:53:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44427 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 06:53:37 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 06:53:37 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 06:53:37 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0C32B776-AA3E-4A7B-AAC0-2D46C9AED5DB@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <681337.44321.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ceZARcQu94zutw3uPUtkcrpSL26nUzdqYkhQvTF92LOAHpPkwf4k X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep same here, Repubs everywhere, no dems to be found! =A0 --- On Mon, 8/4/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:54 AM On Aug 4, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Richard Wagoner wrote: > And very unlike television, newspapers, public radio and cable news > which are dominated by democrat cronies. It depends on where you live. It might be that way in California but=20 in Arizona and Tennessee its way dominated by GOP robots on the air. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 00:22:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25411 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 07:22:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 07:22:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 07:22:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 75739 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 07:22:13 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:22:13 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:22:13 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080804.142919.5124.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <936319.75038.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=gV8mcJNQbFt6rizhpHMEk93tsNpHoCnb1ByGUzWLG0gLNkK5CnMn X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don for your reference the constitution does include freedom of speech, it'= s in the Bill of Rights.=A0(The=A0First Amendment) =A0It states: =A0 Article the third [Amendment I]=20 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or proh= ibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or o= f the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petit= ion the Government for a redress of grievances. =A0 If you need further reference to the constitution this is a good reference: =A0 http://www.constitution.org/indexco_.htm =A0 The Fairness Doctrine bust?=A0 It was in effect for 38 years (1949-1987), t= hats a pretty good record.=A0 The Reagan Administration is the one that spe= arheaded the campaign to have it did away with and did so in 1987.=A0 Now w= hat it stated was: =A0 The Fairness Doctrine had two basic elements: It required broadcasters to d= evote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public i= nterest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters. Stations wer= e given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views: It could be d= one through news segments, public affairs shows or editorials.=20 =A0 How...when given latitude as to how to present the contrasting views, is it= unfair or wrong? Just consider what=A0representative Johnson from Texas said many years ago: =A0 American thought and American politics will be largely at the mercy of thos= e who operate these stations, for publicity is the most powerful weapon tha= t can be wielded in a republic. And when such a weapon is placed in the han= ds of one person, or a single selfish group is permitted to either tacitly = or otherwise acquire ownership or dominate these broadcasting stations thro= ughout the country, then woe be to those who dare to differ with them. It w= ill be impossible to compete with them in reaching the ears of the American= people. =97 Rep. Luther Johnson (D.-Texas), in the debate that preceded the Radio A= ct of 1927 (KPFA, 1/16/03)=A0 =A0 With=A0that in mind what's happened since the doctrine was repealed?=A0 Wel= l local radio has all but went away.=A0 Radio is controlled by large conglo= merates who are at their own mercy to control our airwaves.=A0 The Airwaves= belong to the people and therefore the people have the right to hear both = sides of a controversial situation, story, or politics.=A0 What do we have = now?=A0=A0The talk radio is controlled solely by Republican crony types.=A0= There is no fairness in any of that.=A0 Wake up here.=A0 If you don't thin= k that radio is being controlled by a small group of people instead of the = public then sir you are simply asleep at the wheel.=A0 Either that or you d= on't comprehend what's become of radio today.=A0 Going back to the 1st=A0Am= endment consider this: =A0 It is the purpose of the First Amendment to preserve an uninhibited marketp= lace of ideas in which truth will ultimately prevail, rather than to counte= nance monopolization of that market, whether it be by the government itself= or a private licensee. It is the right of the public to receive suitable a= ccess to social, political, esthetic, moral and other ideas and experiences= which is crucial here. That right may not constitutionally be abridged eit= her by Congress or by the FCC. =97 U.S. Supreme Court, Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. FCC, 1969.=A0=A0=20 =A0 At any rate the fairness doctrine didn't necessarily maintain that stations= had to be completely 50/50 but they could not be one sided 24/7 with one s= ided views.=A0 You might want to read this if theres questions about what i= t is about, hope this helps. =A0 http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0212-03.htm =A0 It may not be the best thing in the world but it's also not the worst when = you look at whats become of radio since its demise.=A0 I liked hearing both= sides on issues.=A0 It kept people more honest in my opinion.=A0 I wish we= were back in the day when there was local radio, the fairness doctrine was= in place, and radio wasn't controlled by large conglomerates to push what = they want us to hear.=A0 Radio is nowhere near as entertaining as it was be= fore the doctrine was repealed.=A0 Since things have changed in radio drast= ically and I know firsthand they've changed.=A0 I've listened to radio all = my life religiously.=A0 Radio isn't what it once was.=A0 There are very few= stations left that do things the old way such as WNMB, WKDK, and perhaps a= few more that I know of.=A0 Those stations are more entertaining.=A0 Let m= e say though that=A0I don't want to make it seem that you aren't entitled t= o your opinion, you are.=A0 Thats the cool thing about this country=A0we ca= n agree to disagree. =A0 -Kevin =A0 =A0 =A0 --- On Mon, 8/4/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:29 PM We have, in fact, too much freedom of the press in this country. The public= figure doctrine needs to be revised, the Fairness Doctrine needs to be rev= ived, there must be brakes and restraints on unpopular speech and deception= , otherwise they will propagate like bacteria through a population. It is absolutely necessary to muzzle every elected and appointed member of = our government. How do we treat news outlets that mistakenly report an item= or regurgitate governmental press releases that are false or wrong? What s= hould we do with those who are deemed to be dangerous demagogues? Silence t= hem? Ban them from any government licensed broadcasting station or public f= orum? Arrest them? Where do you draw the line when the line keeps moving? S= hould Al Franken, Jon Stewart or Randi Rhodes have greater rights to expres= s their opinions and philosophies than a Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity? I d= oubt even the ACLU would condone that. However, he implied assumption in so= me of these comments would say, yes. "Correct speech ONLY will be tolerated= !" I trust you all found your Kool-Aid to be delicious. It has obviously been = effective. I don't recall very much in the Constitution about "Qualified" freedom of s= peech. To my thinking, that sort of reasoning would call into question our = other freedoms such as life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The Fairness Doctrine was a bust from the beginning. It was just another in= trusion into our society by a bunch of power hungry politicians determined = to silence those with whom they hated or feared. There was nothing fair abo= ut the Fairness Doctrine. The FD did nothing more than create yet another l= ayer of government regulations upon radio and TV stations requiring them to= hunt down or put on every single point of view on virtually any semi-polit= ical or controversial issue that was expressed on the station. Anyone who l= ived through the FD times can tell you that every nut ball and his brother = were constantly banging on the station's door, demanding free time and thre= atening to report you to the FCC if you ignored them. What a country! Exemp= t from all of this were the print media. How was that fair? The Internet wa= s not even a thought in those days. Now that we are in the digital age, why shouldn't Congress renew and extend= the FD to include print media and everything on the Internet? Are we all, = not guaranteed equal protection under the constitution? Why stop with broad= cast stations? Let's go find those bastards and shut them up! Let's go set = up committees as to what is acceptable speech! Political correctness could = soar to new heights. Where should it stop? How far should it go? Just who is going to be selecte= d and charged with the responsibility of 1) identifying the demagogic offen= ders, 2) determine what constitutes bacterial demagogic speech and 3) how t= o rectify those demagogues? Who decides what, according to Mr. Todd is dece= ptive, or a falsehood? The politically appointed FCC? A partisan Congress? = A "citizens committee" made up of political appointees? Are we to turn over the determination of what constitutes media free speech= to the same people who gave us the IRS? Those same elected officials who c= ontinually refuse to simplify the tax codes and legislate heavy fines and p= enalties and even imprison any who violates those laws? Your personal priva= cy? What government agency knows more about every individual in this countr= y than the IRS? What about the great job Congress has done with Social Security? A system t= hat started as a sham because the government figured that given the average= longevity of the time, that the majority of contributors would never live = long enough to collect for more than a short period of time. Universal Heal= th Care? What should we call it when our right to choose our health care is= taken away from us, in favor of a government run system? Limbaugh and all the others, no matter what their political agenda is, and,= I know this will stick in the throats of many, should be completely free t= o spew whatever they want. Otherwise, we put ourselves on the same road as = the HUAC of the 1950's and the Chinese Red Guards of the 1960's. Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: I just graduated my degree in broadcasting and we studied this. Many people= get the Fairness Doctrine wrongly. It was basically designed to insure tha= t both sides of a story were presented such as democrats and republicans wo= uld get equal time to present their ideas. Very unlike what we have today w= here everything is dominated by republican cronies of the bush administrati= on. I truly believe that any news or radio organization for that matter is = only worth its salt if it provides both sides equally. I don't believe all = the hot air these republicans spew but I DO want to hear them and what they= have to say. I would be against an all democrat run operation too. I want = both sides. I am educated enough to make up my own mind. I don't need that = one lop sided crap that we have today on republican crony radio. Fox news f= air and balanced, yeah right! They are fair and balanced conservative and r= epublican, thats the two sides you get from those people. Anyone republican or democrat who wants to hear things one si= ded are just not well informed, educated, or open minded for that matter. I= believe our whole system is based on checks and balances and I believe the= fairness doctrine as I studied it in college provided that checks and bala= nces system. I think we need more of that. From what I can tell its only re= publican folks who dominate talk radio that do not want the fairness doctri= ne reinstated. Wonder why? Does it ever make you think? We've talked about = local small town radio. Well there was tons more of that in the days of the= fairness doctrine than there are now. You ever wonder why? Do you not thin= k rich corporate america wants to control the airwaves? You see they are be= ing controlled now by one side. Rich corporate republican types who do not = care for the working man. Sure they wanted the fairness doctrine taken away= , that way they could spew their one sided views on everything. They could buy up all the stations and the hell = with any other views, they didn't have to present them once the fairness do= ctrine was taken away. Too many people don't understand this. It's simple. = It was placed so that both sides could be heard equally. I remember growing= up when it was in place. I used to like hearing both sides. To me its sad = that we don't get both sides now. Think folks! -Kevin --- On Sun, 8/3/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 5:03 PM Regulating speech in order to alter its content is exactly the sort of medd= ling that the First Amendment is meant to prohibit. Should the fairness doctrine be reinstated, the possibility of a challenge = even if the challenge ultimately failed, the cost of defending against it c= ould be substantial to the extent that I would cancel all talk programming = from my stations. I don't know what available programming would attract the= demographic audience that my customers demand. It just may mean that my in= vestment value could be radically diminished and a distressed property sale= may be the result. Fortunately I purchased these sticks as "distressed pro= perty" in the mid 80's so I may not suffer much of a loss. It's time for me= to retire anyway.=20 Policy discussion on the airwaves for decades was, for the most part, as bl= and as cottage cheese. In practice, the so-called fairness doctrine was dee= ply unfair. Restricting free speech and government controls on media content is anathem= a to our constitutional guarantees of free speech. Stalinists, of course, d= o not agree. History always proves them wrong: "Our massive strategy was to use the Fairness Doctrine to challenge and har= ass right-wing broadcasters and hope the challenges would be so costly to t= hem that they would be inhibited and decide it was too expensive to continu= e." --Bill Ruder, Democratic campaign consultant and Assistant Secretary of Com= merce, Kennedy Administration[ 1] "The main thing is the Post is going to have damnable, damnable problems ou= t of [its Watergate coverage]. They have a television station...and they ar= e going to have to get it renewed." --President Richard Nixon[2] Should the federal government mandate "fairness" in broadcasting? "Yes," sa= y some Members of Congress, including Speaker of the House Nancy Pols, who = reportedly said this week that House leaders would "aggressively pursue" le= gislation to reinstate the "Fairness Doctrine."[3] Until it was abolished i= n 1987, this Federal Communications Commission rule required broadcasters t= o air all sides of controversial issues. At first glance, the rule may sound innocuous. Fairness is, after all, a ba= sic American value. But as a matter of principle, any such government contr= ols on media content is anathema to constitutional guarantees of free speec= h. And in practice, the so-called fairness doctrine was deeply unfair. Dulling Down Broadcasting Rather than foster full and fair discussion of public issues, the real effe= ct of the Fairness Doctrine was to discourage discussion of controversial i= ssues of any kind. It's no coincidence that such media as talk radio--virtu= ally non-existent while the rule was in place--flowered after its repeal. R= ather than the vast wasteland of bland muzak-like discussion it was before,= broadcasting- - especially radio--has become a platform for vibrant and co= ntroversial debate on countless issues. The Fairness Doctrine was developed by the FCC over a long period, based on= its broad authority under the Communications Act to regulate the airwaves.= The rule was first articulated in 1949, when television was in its infancy= and radio meant a handful of AM stations in each market. In its final form= , the rule required broadcasters to "afford reasonable opportunity for disc= ussion of contrasting points of view on controversial matters of public imp= ortance." [4] The vagueness of the standard left quite a bit of uncertainty. What is a "r= easonable" opportunity? How many "contrasting" views? Station managers whos= e programming ventured too far into controversial subjects could quite easi= ly find themselves subject to a fairness doctrine challenge. And even if th= e challenge ultimately failed, the cost of defending against it could be su= bstantial. So the safe route for most was to stay far away from controversy= . As a result, policy discussion on the airwaves for decades was, for the m= ost part, as bland as cottage cheese. Political Abuse This "chilling" effect was exacerbated by political abuse of the system. Po= liticians of both parties used the doctrine to further their political ends= . Political strategists for Kennedy and Johnson, for example, consciously u= sed the Fairness Doctrine to cow political opponents. According to statemen= ts from party activists, there was an explicit strategy to raise the cost o= f critical programming, and thus get it dropped entirely. "Perhaps...our ta= ctics were too aggressive," one party operative is quoted as saying, "but w= e were up against ultra-right preachers who were saying vicious things abou= t Kennedy and Johnson."[5] The political use of the Fairness Doctrine was brought to new heights by Pr= esident Richard Nixon. According to Jesse Walker of Reason magazine, "priva= te activists directed by the Republican National Committee regularly filed = Fairness Doctrine challenges against stations whose reporting angered the W= hite House."[6] Demise of the Fairness Doctrine The constitutionality of the Fairness Doctrine was challenged in the 1969 c= ase Red Lion v. FCC[7], involving a religious broadcaster who was fined by = the FCC for not providing a person criticized on the air an opportunity to = reply. The Supreme Court upheld the rule, reasoning that because broadcast = frequencies were scarce, the government may intervene in broadcast media in= ways that would not be allowed toward traditional media, such as newspaper= s. The decision in Red Lion, however, has been subject to intense criticism.[8= ] And in 1987, the FCC rescinded the Fairness Doctrine, finding it to be co= ntrary to the Constitution as well as bad policy.[9] In its landmark decisi= on, the Commission wrote: We believe that the role of the electronic press in our society is the same= as that of the printed press. Both are sources of information and viewpoin= t. Accordingly, the reasons for proscribing government intrusion into the e= ditorial discretion of print journalists provide the same basis for proscri= bing such interference into the editorial discretion of broadcast journalis= ts. [10] The FCC's decision to rescind the doctrine was later upheld by a federal ap= peals court. In so doing, however, the court did not pass judgment on the c= onstitutionality of the rule and instead relied on the FCC's policy finding= s that it did not serve the public interest.[11] Red Lion is still formally in place. But in years since, the basic "spectru= m scarcity" rationale of Red Lion (and thus the constitutionality of fairne= ss rules) has become ever weaker. Not only have new broadcast frequencies- = -such as the UHF television and FM radio bands--been put into use, but enti= rely new systems such as cable TV and satellite radio have been created, of= fering consumers hundreds of channels when before they only had a handful.[= 12] And the Internet has made notions of scarcity almost meaningless. [13] At the same time, broadcasters- -especially radio broadcasters- -became muc= h more willing to air controversial points of view, in large part because o= f the repeal of the FCC's fairness rule. Most notably, talk radio, which ha= d been a relatively rare format, exploded in scope and popularity. In 1990,= there were some 400 stations with a talk show format nationwide. By 2006, = there were more than 1,400 stations devoted entirely to talk formats.[14] P= rogramming shed its cottage cheese-like character, as controversial new hos= ts, such as Rush Limbaugh, gained airtime and the freedom to express strong= opinions and views without fear of regulatory reprisal. According to the P= roject for Excellence in Journalism: With the [Fairness] Doctrine's repeal, radio shows could become more one-si= ded, more free-wheeling, ideological and political. And it didn't take long= . One of the first to gain popularity under the new rules was a new voice o= ut of California named Rush Limbaugh. Within a year or two of the new rules= , Limbaugh's provocative denunciations of Democrats became a phenomenon. St= ations quickly began to pick up his syndicated show, and other conservative= names followed his lead. Being controversial seemed a plus.[15] Not all the changes, of course, were due to the Fairness Doctrine repeal. O= ther factors, such as the rise of FM radio, were at work. But, as documente= d by economists Thomas Hazlett and David W. Sosa, the regulatory change had= a substantial causal effect.[16] Government-Enforced "Balance" Many supporters of the Fairness Doctrine are concerned about this explosion= of information because they see it as the wrong kind of information. Many = are frankly concerned about the amount of "conservative" programming, espec= ially in talk radio, and would like to see a different balance. Certainly, conservative- oriented talk radio has been more successful than = left-leaning radio programming. But broadcasting is only one small part of = today's media universe, which includes not just radio and television broadc= asting but print, cable, and Internet sources. Conservatives have had no lo= ck on opportunities, even in radio. Programming with a liberal bent, from M= ario Cuomo's show to Air America, has been given opportunities and will get= more. Moreover, arguments that the Fairness Doctrine is needed because certain ty= pes of media are too conservative, too negative, too partisan, or too anyth= ing actually strengthen the case against the regulation. Any law that is ta= rgeted at media based on the content of what is being said raises greater c= onstitutional concerns and is much less likely to pass constitutional muste= r--and for good reason. Regulating speech in order to alter its content is = exactly the sort of meddling that the First Amendment is meant to prohibit.= It is simply not the job of politicians to "correct" the mix of opinions b= eing expressed in the marketplace of ideas, even if--and especially if--the= y disagree with those opinions. Conclusion The Federal Communications Commission did the right thing 20 years ago in t= hrowing this unnecessary, counter-productive, and unwise restriction on spe= ech into the regulatory dustbin. It should be left there. To do otherwise w= ould be dangerous and obviously unconstitutional. [1]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free Speech," The American Conservat= ive, April 23, 2007, at http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ article3= . html. [2]Quoted in Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, "Chilling the Internet? L= essons from FCC Regulation of Radio Broadcasting, " Cato Institute Policy A= nalysis No. 270, March 19, 1997. [3]See "Her Royal Fairness, The American Spectator, May 14, 2007, at http:/= /www.spectato r.org/dsp_ article.asp? art_id=3D11427. [4]For general background on the development of the rule, see Museum of Bro= adcast Communications, "Fairness Doctrine" at http://www.museum. tv/archive= s/ etv/F/htmlF/ fairnessdoct/ fairnessdoct. htm. [5]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free Speech," The American Conservat= ive, April 23, 2007, at http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ article3= . html. [6]Ibid. [7]Red Lion v. FCC, 395 U.S. 367 (1969). [8]See, e.g.., William Van Alstyne, The Mobius Strip of the First Amendment= : Perspectives on Red Lion, 29 S. Carolina. L. Rev. 539, 547-48 (1978) (lis= ting many of the leading articles in the first decade after the decision) a= t http://eprints. law.duke. edu/archive/ 00000564/ 01/29_S._ C._L._Rev. _53= 9_(1978-1979) . pdf. [9]The agency had originally declined to consider the question of whether t= he rule was constitutional. In early 1987, however, a federal court held th= at the FCC could not enforce the doctrine unless it considered the constitu= tional objections. Meredith v. FCC, 809 F. 2d 863 (1987). [10]Syracuse Peace Council, 2 FCC Reports 5043 (1987). [11]Syracuse Peace Council, 867 F. 2d 654 (D.C. Cir. (1989)). [12]Many believe that due to these developments, combined with the longstan= ding legal criticism of the Red Lion case, were it to be reconsidered today= , it would be decided differently. A study published two years ago by the F= CC itself makes this case convincingly. See, John W. Berresford, "The Scarc= ity Rationale for Regulating Traditional Broadcasting: An Idea Whose Time H= as Passed," FCC Media Bureau Staff Research Paper, March 2005, at http://hr= aunfoss. fcc.gov/edocs_ public/attachmat ch/DOC-257534A1. pdf. [13]See Adam D. Thierer, "The Media Cornucopia," City Journal, Spring 2007,= at http://www.city- journal.org/ html/17_2_ media.html. [14]Project on Excellence in Journalism, "The State of the News Media 2007:= An Annual Report on American Journalism, Talk Radio page, at http://www.st= ateoft henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ radio_talk_ radio.asp? cat=3D8&med= ia=3D 9. [15]Project on Excellence in Journalism, "The State of the News Media 2007:= An Annual Report on American Journalism, Talk Radio page, at http://www.st= ateoft henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ radio_talk_ radio.asp? cat=3D8&med= ia=3D 9. [16]Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, "Was the Fairness Doctrine a "Chil= ling Effect? Evidence from the Post-deregulation Radio Market," 26 Journal = of Legal Studies 279 (1997). Don -- "Amy Mousie" wrote: This is proof positive that the abolition of the Fairness Doctrine was a Bad Idea-- I can prove there are actually FEWER talk radio stations today, without the Fairness Doctrine than there were with: Just eliminate all the bird-fed takers ands see how many are left. Chances are, MUCH fewer than when the Fairness Doctrine was abolished. Now, tell me- Was that a good thing? Did it REALLY improve diversity of voices and ownership to abolish the Fairness Doctrine? I don't think it was, just as much as letting the RIAA have free reign over royalty fees that have driven many statiuons from broadcasting anything beyond bird-fed programming. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, george russell wrote= : > > Yup, the "cookie-cutter" programs. One night I sat in Durand, MI, scanned > the dial, and found 11 stations carrying C2C, and over a dozen carrying ESPN...with a lousy car radio! My stomach nearly empties, too! G=20 >=20 /info/terms/ =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 00:40:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40756 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 07:40:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 07:40:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.59) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 07:40:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80366 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 07:40:04 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:40:03 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:40:03 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <262087.9399.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <43963.79504.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=GHtRMuzODRV4mhTSScfEfgIav1Fg3r7VmvilYL2e4DCNTea3KmJ9 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable George, =A0 My father is a minister!=A0 Ha!=A0 A minister i'm not but I do believe in t= he things this country was founded on, not the modern version of this revis= ionist history.=A0 I champion the working man.=A0 It's scary when a few bil= lionaires run things!=A0 This is what i've been "preaching" for a long time= to close friends.=A0 We are losing our country to this sick malaise we are= currently under.=A0 As I said I lean more democrat but that doesn't mean i= 'm a total lock stock and barrel democrat.=A0 I'm more a person who listens= to both sides then makes up his mind.=A0 I don't agree with everything the= democrats do.=A0 For one they need to support offshore drilling for the sh= ort term but I still believe long term we need to look at alternate fuels.= =A0 In college it was explained and taught to us that the US has enough oil= that we could survive for perhaps 200 years without any help from outside = oil sources.=A0 That is WAY more than enough time to have researchers figur= ing out a new alternate source of energy.=A0 They should approach it as we did= the space program in the 1960's.=A0 A large effort of the best scientists = and researchers and put the money towards it.=A0 Thats our best hope energy= wise.=A0 People in the US are starving and we run off and feed the rest of= the world.=A0 While I support helping lesser nations I still think we shou= ld take care of our own.=A0 There is absolutely NO reason anyone in this co= untry should go without food or shelter.=A0 Those who think so have more mo= ney than sense.=A0 Lets not stray too far from topic though.=A0 I just want= ed to show i'm not a total dem lock stock and barrel.=A0 If I were I wouldn= t support offshore drilling because I would think that somehow that was goi= ng to hurt the earth so much!=A0 Gee!=A0 Those people are nuts that think l= ike that!=A0 Back to fairness doctrine and lord i'm rehashing so I wont say= much but I think we do need to get back to it.=A0 As I stated earlier just= look how things are so much more controlled now.=A0=20 =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Mon, 8/4/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:54 PM Kevin, if you ever become a preacher, I'll stuff the offering plate! That pretty well sums up what I and a LOT of folks I know believe. BTW, it's not the Fox NEWS channel...it' s the Fox NOISE channel! I too like to hear both sides, and make up my own mind. Today, that is=20 dangerous... if there is one thing the government fears worse than an alien= invasion, it's us thinking for ourselves! Ever notice all the people who defend the current quagmire have all their b= ills paid, a roof over their head, and gas in their car? Yeah, they may be = in debt, but at least they are pretty sure where their next meal is coming = from. I used to have a ministry with the homeless folk in Mt. Clemens, MI. where = I and a couple friends would buy a few pizzas and go down to the riverbank = and share them, and just sit and talk with these people. Common image of these folks is only PARTLY right...yes, some are drug users= , or too lazy to work, but we also met very intellegent people who had lost it all, and only wanted a chance to do an honest day's work an= d earn their keep. But who is going to hire them? Who is going to let them = use their shower to get presentable for a job interview? WHEN is a talk sho= w host with a roving microphone going to get THESE PEOPLE'S take on the cur= rent affairs? My guess is never!!! Why do I give a damn? 2 reasons: (1) it = is hard not to have compassion once you get to know some of these folks, an= d (2) THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD GO I!!!] If things don't turn around and pretty damn fast, a lot of people who are c= onvinced that the system is fine are in for a very painful discovery. When it is THEIR turn out in the cold, and nobody will hire them, I bet the= y will be singing a whole new tune! George --- On Mon, 8/4/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:50 AM > I just graduated my degree in broadcasting and we studied > this.=A0 Many people get the Fairness Doctrine wrongly.=A0 It > was basically designed to insure that both sides of a story > were presented such as democrats and republicans would get > equal time to present their ideas.=A0 Very unlike what we > have today where everything is dominated by republican > cronies of the bush administration.=A0 I truly believe that > any news or radio organization for that matter is only worth > its salt if it provides both sides equally.=A0 I don't > believe all the hot air these republicans spew but I DO want > to hear them and what they have to say.=A0 I would be against > an all democrat run operation too.=A0 I want both sides.=A0 I > am educated enough to make up my own mind.=A0 I don't > need that one lop sided crap that we have today on > republican crony radio.=A0 Fox news fair and balanced, yeah > right!=A0 They are fair and balanced=A0 conservative and > republican, thats the two sides you get from > those people.=A0 Anyone republican or democrat who wants to > hear things one sided are just not well informed, educated, > or open minded=A0for that matter.=A0 I believe our whole > system is based on checks and balances and I believe the > fairness doctrine as I studied it in college provided that > checks and balances system.=A0 I think we need more of > that.=A0 From what I can tell its only republican folks who > dominate talk radio that do not want the fairness doctrine > reinstated.=A0 Wonder why?=A0 Does it ever make you think?=A0 > We've talked about local small town radio.=A0 Well there > was tons more of that in the days of the fairness doctrine > than there are now.=A0 You ever wonder why?=A0 Do you not > think rich corporate america wants to control the > airwaves?=A0 You see they are being controlled now by one > side.=A0 Rich corporate republican types who do not care for > the working man.=A0 Sure they wanted the fairness doctrine > taken away, that way they could spew their one > sided views on everything.=A0 They could buy up all the > stations and the hell with any other views, they didn't > have to present them once the fairness doctrine was taken > away.=A0 Too many people don't understand this.=A0 > It's simple.=A0 It was placed so that both sides could be > heard equally.=A0 I remember growing up when it was in > place.=A0 I used to like hearing both sides.=A0 To me its sad > that we don't get both sides now.=A0 Think folks! > =A0 > -Kevin >=20 >=20 > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: >=20 > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 5:03 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Regulating speech in order to alter its content is exactly > the sort of meddling that the First Amendment is meant to > prohibit. >=20 > Should the fairness doctrine be reinstated, the possibility > of a challenge even if the challenge ultimately failed, the > cost of defending against it could be substantial to the > extent that I would cancel all talk programming from my > stations. I don't know what available programming would > attract the demographic audience that my customers demand. > It just may mean that my investment value could be radically > diminished and a distressed property sale may be the result. > Fortunately I purchased these sticks as "distressed > property" in the mid 80's so I may not suffer much > of a loss. It's time for me to retire anyway.=20 >=20 > Policy discussion on the airwaves for decades was, for the > most part, as bland as cottage cheese. In practice, the > so-called fairness doctrine was deeply unfair. >=20 > Restricting free speech and government controls on media > content is anathema to our constitutional guarantees of free > speech. Stalinists, of course, do not agree. >=20 > History always proves them wrong: >=20 > "Our massive strategy was to use the Fairness Doctrine > to challenge and harass right-wing broadcasters and hope the > challenges would be so costly to them that they would be > inhibited and decide it was too expensive to continue." >=20 > --Bill Ruder, Democratic campaign consultant and Assistant > Secretary of Commerce, Kennedy Administration[ 1] >=20 > "The main thing is the Post is going to have damnable, > damnable problems out of [its Watergate coverage]. They have > a television station...and they are going to have to get it > renewed." >=20 > --President Richard Nixon[2] >=20 > Should the federal government mandate "fairness" > in broadcasting? "Yes," say some Members of > Congress, including Speaker of the House Nancy Pols, who > reportedly said this week that House leaders would > "aggressively pursue" legislation to reinstate the > "Fairness Doctrine."[3] Until it was abolished in > 1987, this Federal Communications Commission rule required > broadcasters to air all sides of controversial issues. >=20 > At first glance, the rule may sound innocuous. Fairness is, > after all, a basic American value. But as a matter of > principle, any such government controls on media content is > anathema to constitutional guarantees of free speech. And in > practice, the so-called fairness doctrine was deeply unfair. >=20 > Dulling Down Broadcasting >=20 > Rather than foster full and fair discussion of public > issues, the real effect of the Fairness Doctrine was to > discourage discussion of controversial issues of any kind. > It's no coincidence that such media as talk > radio--virtually non-existent while the rule was in > place--flowered after its repeal. Rather than the vast > wasteland of bland muzak-like discussion it was before, > broadcasting- - especially radio--has become a platform for > vibrant and controversial debate on countless issues. >=20 > The Fairness Doctrine was developed by the FCC over a long > period, based on its broad authority under the > Communications Act to regulate the airwaves. The rule was > first articulated in 1949, when television was in its > infancy and radio meant a handful of AM stations in each > market. In its final form, the rule required broadcasters to > "afford reasonable opportunity for discussion of > contrasting points of view on controversial matters of > public importance." [4] >=20 > The vagueness of the standard left quite a bit of > uncertainty. What is a "reasonable" opportunity? > How many "contrasting" views? Station managers > whose programming ventured too far into controversial > subjects could quite easily find themselves subject to a > fairness doctrine challenge. And even if the challenge > ultimately failed, the cost of defending against it could be > substantial. So the safe route for most was to stay far away > from controversy. As a result, policy discussion on the > airwaves for decades was, for the most part, as bland as > cottage cheese. >=20 > Political Abuse >=20 > This "chilling" effect was exacerbated by > political abuse of the system. Politicians of both parties > used the doctrine to further their political ends. Political > strategists for Kennedy and Johnson, for example, > consciously used the Fairness Doctrine to cow political > opponents. According to statements from party activists, > there was an explicit strategy to raise the cost of critical > programming, and thus get it dropped entirely. > "Perhaps...our tactics were too aggressive," one > party operative is quoted as saying, "but we were up > against ultra-right preachers who were saying vicious things > about Kennedy and Johnson."[5] >=20 > The political use of the Fairness Doctrine was brought to > new heights by President Richard Nixon. According to Jesse > Walker of Reason magazine, "private activists directed > by the Republican National Committee regularly filed > Fairness Doctrine challenges against stations whose > reporting angered the White House."[6] >=20 > Demise of the Fairness Doctrine >=20 > The constitutionality of the Fairness Doctrine was > challenged in the 1969 case Red Lion v. FCC[7], involving a > religious broadcaster who was fined by the FCC for not > providing a person criticized on the air an opportunity to > reply. The Supreme Court upheld the rule, reasoning that > because broadcast frequencies were scarce, the government > may intervene in broadcast media in ways that would not be > allowed toward traditional media, such as newspapers. >=20 > The decision in Red Lion, however, has been subject to > intense criticism.[8] And in 1987, the FCC rescinded the > Fairness Doctrine, finding it to be contrary to the > Constitution as well as bad policy.[9] In its landmark > decision, the Commission wrote: >=20 > We believe that the role of the electronic press in our > society is the same as that of the printed press. Both are > sources of information and viewpoint. Accordingly, the > reasons for proscribing government intrusion into the > editorial discretion of print journalists provide the same > basis for proscribing such interference into the editorial > discretion of broadcast journalists. [10] >=20 > The FCC's decision to rescind the doctrine was later > upheld by a federal appeals court. In so doing, however, the > court did not pass judgment on the constitutionality of the > rule and instead relied on the FCC's policy findings > that it did not serve the public interest.[11] >=20 > Red Lion is still formally in place. But in years since, > the basic "spectrum scarcity" rationale of Red > Lion (and thus the constitutionality of fairness rules) has > become ever weaker. Not only have new broadcast frequencies- > -such as the UHF television and FM radio bands--been put > into use, but entirely new systems such as cable TV and > satellite radio have been created, offering consumers > hundreds of channels when before they only had a > handful.[12] And the Internet has made notions of scarcity > almost meaningless. [13] >=20 > At the same time, broadcasters- -especially radio > broadcasters- -became much more willing to air controversial > points of view, in large part because of the repeal of the > FCC's fairness rule. Most notably, talk radio, which had > been a relatively rare format, exploded in scope and > popularity. In 1990, there were some 400 stations with a > talk show format nationwide. By 2006, there were more than > 1,400 stations devoted entirely to talk formats.[14] > Programming shed its cottage cheese-like character, as > controversial new hosts, such as Rush Limbaugh, gained > airtime and the freedom to express strong opinions and views > without fear of regulatory reprisal. According to the > Project for Excellence in Journalism: >=20 > With the [Fairness] Doctrine's repeal, radio shows > could become more one-sided, more free-wheeling, ideological > and political. And it didn't take long. One of the first > to gain popularity under the new rules was a new voice out > of California named Rush Limbaugh. Within a year or two of > the new rules, Limbaugh's provocative denunciations of > Democrats became a phenomenon. Stations quickly began to > pick up his syndicated show, and other conservative names > followed his lead. Being controversial seemed a plus.[15] >=20 > Not all the changes, of course, were due to the Fairness > Doctrine repeal. Other factors, such as the rise of FM > radio, were at work. But, as documented by economists Thomas > Hazlett and David W. Sosa, the regulatory change had a > substantial causal effect.[16] >=20 > Government-Enforced "Balance" >=20 > Many supporters of the Fairness Doctrine are concerned > about this explosion of information because they see it as > the wrong kind of information. Many are frankly concerned > about the amount of "conservative" programming, > especially in talk radio, and would like to see a different > balance. >=20 > Certainly, conservative- oriented talk radio has been more > successful than left-leaning radio programming. But > broadcasting is only one small part of today's media > universe, which includes not just radio and television > broadcasting but print, cable, and Internet sources. > Conservatives have had no lock on opportunities, even in > radio. Programming with a liberal bent, from Mario > Cuomo's show to Air America, has been given > opportunities and will get more. >=20 > Moreover, arguments that the Fairness Doctrine is needed > because certain types of media are too conservative, too > negative, too partisan, or too anything actually strengthen > the case against the regulation. Any law that is targeted at > media based on the content of what is being said raises > greater constitutional concerns and is much less likely to > pass constitutional muster--and for good reason. Regulating > speech in order to alter its content is exactly the sort of > meddling that the First Amendment is meant to prohibit. It > is simply not the job of politicians to "correct" > the mix of opinions being expressed in the marketplace of > ideas, even if--and especially if--they disagree with those > opinions. >=20 > Conclusion >=20 > The Federal Communications Commission did the right thing > 20 years ago in throwing this unnecessary, > counter-productive, and unwise restriction on speech into > the regulatory dustbin. It should be left there. To do > otherwise would be dangerous and obviously unconstitutional. >=20 > [1]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free > Speech," The American Conservative, April 23, 2007, at > http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ article3. html. >=20 > [2]Quoted in Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, > "Chilling the Internet? Lessons from FCC Regulation of > Radio Broadcasting, " Cato Institute Policy Analysis > No. 270, March 19, 1997. >=20 > [3]See "Her Royal Fairness, The American Spectator, > May 14, 2007, at http://www.spectato r.org/dsp_ article.asp? > art_id=3D11427. >=20 > [4]For general background on the development of the rule, > see Museum of Broadcast Communications, "Fairness > Doctrine" at http://www.museum. tv/archives/ > etv/F/htmlF/ fairnessdoct/ fairnessdoct. htm. >=20 > [5]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free > Speech," The American Conservative, April 23, 2007, at > http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ article3. html. >=20 > [6]Ibid. >=20 > [7]Red Lion v. FCC, 395 U.S. 367 (1969). >=20 > [8]See, e.g.., William Van Alstyne, The Mobius Strip of the > First Amendment: Perspectives on Red Lion, 29 S. Carolina. > L. Rev. 539, 547-48 (1978) (listing many of the leading > articles in the first decade after the decision) at > http://eprints. law.duke. edu/archive/ 00000564/ 01/29_S._ > C._L._Rev. _539_(1978-1979) . pdf. >=20 > [9]The agency had originally declined to consider the > question of whether the rule was constitutional. In early > 1987, however, a federal court held that the FCC could not > enforce the doctrine unless it considered the constitutional > objections. Meredith v. FCC, 809 F. 2d 863 (1987). >=20 > [10]Syracuse Peace Council, 2 FCC Reports 5043 (1987). >=20 > [11]Syracuse Peace Council, 867 F. 2d 654 (D.C. Cir. > (1989)). >=20 > [12]Many believe that due to these developments, combined > with the longstanding legal criticism of the Red Lion case, > were it to be reconsidered today, it would be decided > differently. A study published two years ago by the FCC > itself makes this case convincingly. See, John W. > Berresford, "The Scarcity Rationale for Regulating > Traditional Broadcasting: An Idea Whose Time Has > Passed," FCC Media Bureau Staff Research Paper, March > 2005, at http://hraunfoss. fcc.gov/edocs_ public/attachmat > ch/DOC-257534A1. pdf. >=20 > [13]See Adam D. Thierer, "The Media Cornucopia," > City Journal, Spring 2007, at http://www.city- journal.org/ > html/17_2_ media.html. >=20 > [14]Project on Excellence in Journalism, "The State of > the News Media 2007: An Annual Report on American > Journalism, Talk Radio page, at http://www.stateoft > henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ radio_talk_ radio.asp? > cat=3D8&media=3D 9. >=20 > [15]Project on Excellence in Journalism, "The State of > the News Media 2007: An Annual Report on American > Journalism, Talk Radio page, at http://www.stateoft > henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ radio_talk_ radio.asp? > cat=3D8&media=3D 9. >=20 > [16]Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, "Was the > Fairness Doctrine a "Chilling Effect? Evidence from the > Post-deregulation Radio Market," 26 Journal of Legal > Studies 279 (1997). >=20 > Don >=20 > -- "Amy Mousie" > wrote: >=20 > This is proof positive that the abolition of the Fairness > Doctrine was > a Bad Idea-- >=20 > I can prove there are actually FEWER talk radio stations > today, > without the Fairness Doctrine than there were with: Just > eliminate all > the bird-fed takers ands see how many are left. Chances > are, MUCH > fewer than when the Fairness Doctrine was abolished. >=20 > Now, tell me- Was that a good thing? Did it REALLY improve > diversity > of voices and ownership to abolish the Fairness Doctrine? I > don't > think it was, just as much as letting the RIAA have free > reign over > royalty fees that have driven many statiuons from > broadcasting > anything beyond bird-fed programming. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, george russell > wrote: > > > > Yup, the "cookie-cutter" programs. One night > I sat in Durand, MI, > scanned > > the dial, and found 11 stations carrying C2C, and over > a dozen > carrying ESPN...with a lousy car radio! My stomach nearly > empties, > too! G=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 00:40:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1460 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 07:40:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 07:40:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 07:40:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 77067 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 07:40:46 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:40:46 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:40:46 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <855842.66125.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <713360.76736.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=-UgvxRmOCktogou_NqSOiRaVCFVQ5vgD7RYthEjLaTpU_-9p4cV7 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ha! =A0 --- On Mon, 8/4/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 6:03 PM Kevin, are you refering to the Log Cabin Republicans? Hah-hah LOL! Talk about a group of persecuted folks supporting their persecutors! I had a friend that was big on that...until I explained to him that HIS rig= hts were being forestalled by the very people HE supported. Until I set him straight...uh, maybe that's not the best choice of words in= this case...until I got him to see the light, he didn't have a clue! It's kinda like a slave in love with the cruel master because he doesn't ev= en know he is cruel...go figure! G --- On Mon, 8/4/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 8:31 AM > Amy, > =A0 > Thanks.=A0 Well it is true that many people wrongly > interpret what the fairness doctrine is about.=A0 It is > usually because they do not read what it was actually about > and draw premature conclusions.=A0 I think that whether you > are a democrat or republican that you must support both > sides of an issue being presented.=A0 As I said the fairness > doctrine supports a sort of "checks and balances" > system.=A0 It insures that both sides of a story are > presented with equal time on the air.=A0 Why anyone would not > want things presented fairly from both sides is beyond me.=A0 > I myself do tend to lean democrat in thought but I don't > claim allegiance to any party because I have seen good and > bad in both.=A0 In recent years what we've seen is a new > more radical form of both democrat and republicans.=A0 > It's not your grandfathers brand of politicians!=A0 One > thing I see these days are gross misunderstandings of > voters.=A0 Believe it or not i've known folks that > support a party > that doesn't even support their own beliefs or > lifestyle.=A0 For instance, gay republicans. ..how in the > world do you get that??!=A0 Uhh aren't republicans > against gay rights and marriage?=A0 Geez already!=A0 I have > though seen people like that support republicans.=A0 That is > just one example.=A0 There are other examples from many > different types of people but my point here is people do not > even know what they believe let alone know what a > party's philosophy is about.=A0 This is precisely why the > Fairness Doctrine needs to be re-introduced.=A0 Both sides > need to be shown so that people can learn where they stand > on issues and with whom.=A0 The problem with many things > today is education.=A0 Only about 25% of americans hold a > Bachelors degree and with advanced degrees it's an even > lower percentage.=A0 This is a high school educated nation > but we are in the 21st century and that just simply > isn't enough these days.=A0 I think though that in the > past a high school > education was better than it is now.=A0 I see too many kids > these days that can't point Vietnam or the UK out on a > map.=A0 They have no sense of geography.=A0 Whats more is > there is very little interest in history and you ask a kid > today when the vietnam war was and what it was fought for > and they cannot tell you.=A0 That is still considered recent > history.=A0 It certainly isn't ancient history.=A0 The > fairness doctrine can at least educate people on both sides > of an issue.=A0 I just think its a step in the right > direction.=A0 The sad thing though, and I believe someone > mentioned this, but todays kids don't really listen to > the radio therefore what do we make of this and the fairness > doctrine?=A0 From my research though i've found that kids > do listen to the radio but its mostly lower income kids who > cannot afford an MP3 player let alone a computer to download > and purchase the files with.=A0 Now those kids do listen to > the radio because it is a cheaper form of > entertainment and is readily available.=A0 Perhaps those > lower income kids then may be more educated on at least > their politics shoudl the fairness doctrine be > re-introduced! > =A0 > -Kevin (ClemsonBloke) >=20 > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Amy Mousie > wrote: >=20 > From: Amy Mousie > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:21 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Thank you, clemsonbloke! (There are WAY TOO MANY Kevins to > keep track > of around here!) This is precisely why I've always been > a supporter of > the Fairness Doctrine- It actually ensures DIVERSITY of > thoughts and > opinions in the open market known as DEMOCRACY. I, too, > don't want > lopsided rhetoric from EITHER the Left or Right. >=20 > One big-market station I do know that has continued to > operate as if > the Fairness Doctrine had still been in place is KGO-AM 810 > of San > Francisco, who have a very diverse stable of talkshow hosts > (ALL > local!), and have now enjoyed 30 YEARS as the #1 radio > station in the > San Francisco Bay Area, and its General Manager, Michael > "Mickey" > Luckoff, has been inducted into the National Radio Hall of > Fame for > his 40+ years at the helm of KGO, and doing what radio > SHOULD be > doing, talk or otherwise: SERVING THE COMMUNITY! >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, clemsonbloke > > wrote: > > > > I just graduated my degree in broadcasting and we > studied this.=A0 > Many people get the Fairness Doctrine wrongly.=A0 It was > basically > designed to insure that both sides of a story were > presented such as > democrats and republicans would get equal time to present > their > ideas.=A0 Very unlike what we have today where everything is > dominated > by republican cronies of the bush administration.=A0 I truly > believe > that any news or radio organization for that matter is only > worth its > salt if it provides both sides equally.=A0 I don't > believe all the hot > air these republicans spew but I DO want to hear them and > what they > have to say.=A0 I would be against an all democrat run > operation too.=A0 I > want both sides.=A0 I am educated enough to make up my own > mind.=A0 I > don't need that one lop sided crap that we have today > on republican > crony radio.=A0 Fox news fair and balanced, yeah right!=A0 > They are fair > and balanced=A0 conservative and republican, thats the two > sides you get > from > > those people.=A0 Anyone republican or democrat who > wants to hear > things one sided are just not well informed, educated, or > open > minded=A0for that matter.=A0 I believe our whole system is > based on checks > and balances and I believe the fairness doctrine as I > studied it in > college provided that checks and balances system.=A0 I think > we need > more of that.=A0 From what I can tell its only republican > folks who > dominate talk radio that do not want the fairness doctrine > reinstated.=A0 Wonder why?=A0 Does it ever make you think?=A0 > We've talked > about local small town radio.=A0 Well there was tons more of > that in the > days of the fairness doctrine than there are now.=A0 You > ever wonder > why?=A0 Do you not think rich corporate america wants to > control the > airwaves?=A0 You see they are being controlled now by one > side.=A0 Rich > corporate republican types who do not care for the working > man.=A0 Sure > they wanted the fairness doctrine taken away, that way they > could spew > their one > > sided views on everything.=A0 They could buy up all the > stations and > the hell with any other views, they didn't have to > present them once > the fairness doctrine was taken away.=A0 Too many people > don't > understand this.=A0 It's simple.=A0 It was placed so that > both sides could > be heard equally.=A0 I remember growing up when it was in > place.=A0 I used > to like hearing both sides.=A0 To me its sad that we > don't get both > sides now.=A0 Think folks! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Tue Aug 05 00:42:25 2008 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=28368;u=;t=1217922364;m=42225317;s=2335038927; From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 00:45:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78513 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 07:45:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 07:45:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 07:45:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 07:45:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 07:45:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:45:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.13.247 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=eQMSNbYo7hOAFI3xW2x6srODBE3CK7BvcvfHybxdAauqrZJZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding wrote: > >=20 > > Unfortunately, I am on an Apple, and it is not mine, and sometimes=20=20 > > it goes through a routine that a Windows guy like me can't get=20=20 > > past. I >=20 > They were sent on a Mac. This mouse is also on a Mac, and I haven't had this problem. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 01:01:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86951 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 08:01:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 08:01:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 08:01:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4422 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 08:01:23 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:01:23 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:01:23 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <147969.39868.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <336539.36731.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=qrXk86ZdVQziXOeibCtkY10Uj7-KC0i64rtqZsJ18PZahq6Z4Sin X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah I think that was Air Americas problem was they came out swinging too h= ard too fast.=A0 I mean I can understand though because that view had so lo= ng been supressed on radio.=A0 I think though they could have done democrat= s more justice by being educated, well read, and speaking with authority bu= t not disrespect.=A0 I have to say though, that guy on Air America from Atl= anta, heck I can't remember his name but he was hilarious when he was rippi= n bush a new asshole one night.=A0 I never laughed so hard in my life.=A0 T= hat was good radio! =A0 -Kevin --- On Mon, 8/4/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 6:14 PM It is in Detroit, too, Kevin. Our only station that isn't pegged to the rig= ht end of the spectrum has Air America...but come on, how effective is THAT= ? Fire the talkers who are too busy joking to get down to serious matters, = and put somebody articulate like you or I behind the mike! There are no sacred cows in my view, the truth isn't always pleasant, but i= t should always be told, and proof given. (OK, Thom Hartmann is a good star= t, I guess) G --- On Mon, 8/4/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:54 AM > On Aug 4, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Richard Wagoner wrote: >=20 > > And very unlike television, newspapers, public radio > and cable news > > which are dominated by democrat cronies. >=20 > It depends on where you live. It might be that way in > California but=20 > in Arizona and Tennessee its way dominated by GOP robots on > the air. >=20 > Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 01:02:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40106 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 08:02:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 08:02:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 08:02:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81060 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 08:02:13 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:02:12 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:02:12 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <304949.51065.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <124091.80780.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=9LYpfiugcvsAGMRehTUiPAl0mRHKy2U38HhkTn4n5kKmKmc67_gm X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kudos to that!=A0 So true! =A0 --- On Mon, 8/4/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 6:40 PM This will stick in even MORE throats, but it needs to be said... Instead of universal health care, how about (a) price controls on a very gr= eedy genre of business, health care, and (b) a minimum wage high enough to = AFFORD a doctor? When a hospital can charge you $25 for a couple aspirin ta= blets because they serve them in a paper cup at your bedside (I've SEEN this on an itemized bill!), how in the hell is anybody working f= or slave wages supposed to get cared for? Seems to me this is all a very co= nvenient way to thin the herd of anybody that hasn't "succeeded", i.e. drives an expensive car, wears a $500 watch, or lives on the "right" side o= f the tracks. I WORK for a living (if you could even call it a living), and God help me i= f I even need a tooth pulled! George --- On Mon, 8/4/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:29 PM > We have, in fact, too much freedom of the press in this > country. The public figure doctrine needs to be revised, the > Fairness Doctrine needs to be revived, there must be brakes > and restraints on unpopular speech and deception, otherwise > they will propagate like bacteria through a population. >=20 > It is absolutely necessary to muzzle every elected and > appointed member of our government. How do we treat news > outlets that mistakenly report an item or regurgitate > governmental press releases that are false or wrong? What > should we do with those who are deemed to be dangerous > demagogues? Silence them? Ban them from any government > licensed broadcasting station or public forum? Arrest them? > Where do you draw the line when the line keeps moving? > Should Al Franken, Jon Stewart or Randi Rhodes have greater > rights to express their opinions and philosophies than a > Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity? I doubt even the ACLU would > condone that. However, he implied assumption in some of > these comments would say, yes. "Correct speech ONLY > will be tolerated!" >=20 > I trust you all found your Kool-Aid to be delicious. It has > obviously been effective. >=20 > I don't recall very much in the Constitution about > "Qualified" freedom of speech. To my thinking, > that sort of reasoning would call into question our other > freedoms such as life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. >=20 > The Fairness Doctrine was a bust from the beginning. It was > just another intrusion into our society by a bunch of power > hungry politicians determined to silence those with whom > they hated or feared. There was nothing fair about the > Fairness Doctrine. The FD did nothing more than create yet > another layer of government regulations upon radio and TV > stations requiring them to hunt down or put on every single > point of view on virtually any semi-political or > controversial issue that was expressed on the station. > Anyone who lived through the FD times can tell you that > every nut ball and his brother were constantly banging on > the station's door, demanding free time and threatening > to report you to the FCC if you ignored them. What a > country! Exempt from all of this were the print media. How > was that fair? The Internet was not even a thought in those > days. >=20 > Now that we are in the digital age, why shouldn't > Congress renew and extend the FD to include print media and > everything on the Internet? Are we all, not guaranteed equal > protection under the constitution? Why stop with broadcast > stations? Let's go find those bastards and shut them up! > Let's go set up committees as to what is acceptable > speech! Political correctness could soar to new heights. >=20 > Where should it stop? How far should it go? Just who is > going to be selected and charged with the responsibility of > 1) identifying the demagogic offenders, 2) determine what > constitutes bacterial demagogic speech and 3) how to rectify > those demagogues? Who decides what, according to Mr. Todd is > deceptive, or a falsehood? The politically appointed FCC? A > partisan Congress? A "citizens committee" made up > of political appointees? >=20 > Are we to turn over the determination of what constitutes > media free speech to the same people who gave us the IRS? > Those same elected officials who continually refuse to > simplify the tax codes and legislate heavy fines and > penalties and even imprison any who violates those laws? > Your personal privacy? What government agency knows more > about every individual in this country than the IRS? >=20 > What about the great job Congress has done with Social > Security? A system that started as a sham because the > government figured that given the average longevity of the > time, that the majority of contributors would never live > long enough to collect for more than a short period of time. > Universal Health Care? What should we call it when our right > to choose our health care is taken away from us, in favor of > a government run system? >=20 > Limbaugh and all the others, no matter what their political > agenda is, and, I know this will stick in the throats of > many, should be completely free to spew whatever they want. > Otherwise, we put ourselves on the same road as the HUAC of > the 1950's and the Chinese Red Guards of the 1960's. >=20 > Don >=20 > -- clemsonbloke wrote: > I just graduated my degree in broadcasting and we studied > this. Many people get the Fairness Doctrine wrongly. It > was basically designed to insure that both sides of a story > were presented such as democrats and republicans would get > equal time to present their ideas. Very unlike what we have > today where everything is dominated by republican cronies of > the bush administration. I truly believe that any news or > radio organization for that matter is only worth its salt if > it provides both sides equally. I don't believe all the > hot air these republicans spew but I DO want to hear them > and what they have to say. I would be against an all > democrat run operation too. I want both sides. I am > educated enough to make up my own mind. I don't need > that one lop sided crap that we have today on republican > crony radio. Fox news fair and balanced, yeah right! They > are fair and balanced conservative and republican, thats > the two sides you get from > those people. Anyone republican or democrat who wants to > hear things one sided are just not well informed, educated, > or open minded for that matter. I believe our whole system > is based on checks and balances and I believe the fairness > doctrine as I studied it in college provided that checks and > balances system. I think we need more of that. From what I > can tell its only republican folks who dominate talk radio > that do not want the fairness doctrine reinstated. Wonder > why? Does it ever make you think? We've talked about > local small town radio. Well there was tons more of that in > the days of the fairness doctrine than there are now. You > ever wonder why? Do you not think rich corporate america > wants to control the airwaves? You see they are being > controlled now by one side. Rich corporate republican types > who do not care for the working man. Sure they wanted the > fairness doctrine taken away, that way they could spew their > one > sided views on everything. They could buy up all the > stations and the hell with any other views, they didn't > have to present them once the fairness doctrine was taken > away. Too many people don't understand this. It's > simple. It was placed so that both sides could be heard > equally. I remember growing up when it was in place. I > used to like hearing both sides. To me its sad that we > don't get both sides now. Think folks! >=20 > -Kevin >=20 >=20 > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: >=20 > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 5:03 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Regulating speech in order to alter its content is exactly > the sort of meddling that the First Amendment is meant to > prohibit. >=20 > Should the fairness doctrine be reinstated, the possibility > of a challenge even if the challenge ultimately failed, the > cost of defending against it could be substantial to the > extent that I would cancel all talk programming from my > stations. I don't know what available programming would > attract the demographic audience that my customers demand. > It just may mean that my investment value could be radically > diminished and a distressed property sale may be the result. > Fortunately I purchased these sticks as "distressed > property" in the mid 80's so I may not suffer much > of a loss. It's time for me to retire anyway.=20 >=20 > Policy discussion on the airwaves for decades was, for the > most part, as bland as cottage cheese. In practice, the > so-called fairness doctrine was deeply unfair. >=20 > Restricting free speech and government controls on media > content is anathema to our constitutional guarantees of free > speech. Stalinists, of course, do not agree. >=20 > History always proves them wrong: >=20 > "Our massive strategy was to use the Fairness Doctrine > to challenge and harass right-wing broadcasters and hope the > challenges would be so costly to them that they would be > inhibited and decide it was too expensive to continue." >=20 > --Bill Ruder, Democratic campaign consultant and Assistant > Secretary of Commerce, Kennedy Administration[ 1] >=20 > "The main thing is the Post is going to have damnable, > damnable problems out of [its Watergate coverage]. They have > a television station...and they are going to have to get it > renewed." >=20 > --President Richard Nixon[2] >=20 > Should the federal government mandate "fairness" > in broadcasting? "Yes," say some Members of > Congress, including Speaker of the House Nancy Pols, who > reportedly said this week that House leaders would > "aggressively pursue" legislation to reinstate the > "Fairness Doctrine."[3] Until it was abolished in > 1987, this Federal Communications Commission rule required > broadcasters to air all sides of controversial issues. >=20 > At first glance, the rule may sound innocuous. Fairness is, > after all, a basic American value. But as a matter of > principle, any such government controls on media content is > anathema to constitutional guarantees of free speech. And in > practice, the so-called fairness doctrine was deeply unfair. >=20 > Dulling Down Broadcasting >=20 > Rather than foster full and fair discussion of public > issues, the real effect of the Fairness Doctrine was to > discourage discussion of controversial issues of any kind. > It's no coincidence that such media as talk > radio--virtually non-existent while the rule was in > place--flowered after its repeal. Rather than the vast > wasteland of bland muzak-like discussion it was before, > broadcasting- - especially radio--has become a platform for > vibrant and controversial debate on countless issues. >=20 > The Fairness Doctrine was developed by the FCC over a long > period, based on its broad authority under the > Communications Act to regulate the airwaves. The rule was > first articulated in 1949, when television was in its > infancy and radio meant a handful of AM stations in each > market. In its final form, the rule required broadcasters to > "afford reasonable opportunity for discussion of > contrasting points of view on controversial matters of > public importance." [4] >=20 > The vagueness of the standard left quite a bit of > uncertainty. What is a "reasonable" opportunity? > How many "contrasting" views? Station managers > whose programming ventured too far into controversial > subjects could quite easily find themselves subject to a > fairness doctrine challenge. And even if the challenge > ultimately failed, the cost of defending against it could be > substantial. So the safe route for most was to stay far away > from controversy. As a result, policy discussion on the > airwaves for decades was, for the most part, as bland as > cottage cheese. >=20 > Political Abuse >=20 > This "chilling" effect was exacerbated by > political abuse of the system. Politicians of both parties > used the doctrine to further their political ends. Political > strategists for Kennedy and Johnson, for example, > consciously used the Fairness Doctrine to cow political > opponents. According to statements from party activists, > there was an explicit strategy to raise the cost of critical > programming, and thus get it dropped entirely. > "Perhaps...our tactics were too aggressive," one > party operative is quoted as saying, "but we were up > against ultra-right preachers who were saying vicious things > about Kennedy and Johnson."[5] >=20 > The political use of the Fairness Doctrine was brought to > new heights by President Richard Nixon. According to Jesse > Walker of Reason magazine, "private activists directed > by the Republican National Committee regularly filed > Fairness Doctrine challenges against stations whose > reporting angered the White House."[6] >=20 > Demise of the Fairness Doctrine >=20 > The constitutionality of the Fairness Doctrine was > challenged in the 1969 case Red Lion v. FCC[7], involving a > religious broadcaster who was fined by the FCC for not > providing a person criticized on the air an opportunity to > reply. The Supreme Court upheld the rule, reasoning that > because broadcast frequencies were scarce, the government > may intervene in broadcast media in ways that would not be > allowed toward traditional media, such as newspapers. >=20 > The decision in Red Lion, however, has been subject to > intense criticism.[8] And in 1987, the FCC rescinded the > Fairness Doctrine, finding it to be contrary to the > Constitution as well as bad policy.[9] In its landmark > decision, the Commission wrote: >=20 > We believe that the role of the electronic press in our > society is the same as that of the printed press. Both are > sources of information and viewpoint. Accordingly, the > reasons for proscribing government intrusion into the > editorial discretion of print journalists provide the same > basis for proscribing such interference into the editorial > discretion of broadcast journalists. [10] >=20 > The FCC's decision to rescind the doctrine was later > upheld by a federal appeals court. In so doing, however, the > court did not pass judgment on the constitutionality of the > rule and instead relied on the FCC's policy findings > that it did not serve the public interest.[11] >=20 > Red Lion is still formally in place. But in years since, > the basic "spectrum scarcity" rationale of Red > Lion (and thus the constitutionality of fairness rules) has > become ever weaker. Not only have new broadcast frequencies- > -such as the UHF television and FM radio bands--been put > into use, but entirely new systems such as cable TV and > satellite radio have been created, offering consumers > hundreds of channels when before they only had a > handful.[12] And the Internet has made notions of scarcity > almost meaningless. [13] >=20 > At the same time, broadcasters- -especially radio > broadcasters- -became much more willing to air controversial > points of view, in large part because of the repeal of the > FCC's fairness rule. Most notably, talk radio, which had > been a relatively rare format, exploded in scope and > popularity. In 1990, there were some 400 stations with a > talk show format nationwide. By 2006, there were more than > 1,400 stations devoted entirely to talk formats.[14] > Programming shed its cottage cheese-like character, as > controversial new hosts, such as Rush Limbaugh, gained > airtime and the freedom to express strong opinions and views > without fear of regulatory reprisal. According to the > Project for Excellence in Journalism: >=20 > With the [Fairness] Doctrine's repeal, radio shows > could become more one-sided, more free-wheeling, ideological > and political. And it didn't take long. One of the first > to gain popularity under the new rules was a new voice out > of California named Rush Limbaugh. Within a year or two of > the new rules, Limbaugh's provocative denunciations of > Democrats became a phenomenon. Stations quickly began to > pick up his syndicated show, and other conservative names > followed his lead. Being controversial seemed a plus.[15] >=20 > Not all the changes, of course, were due to the Fairness > Doctrine repeal. Other factors, such as the rise of FM > radio, were at work. But, as documented by economists Thomas > Hazlett and David W. Sosa, the regulatory change had a > substantial causal effect.[16] >=20 > Government-Enforced "Balance" >=20 > Many supporters of the Fairness Doctrine are concerned > about this explosion of information because they see it as > the wrong kind of information. Many are frankly concerned > about the amount of "conservative" programming, > especially in talk radio, and would like to see a different > balance. >=20 > Certainly, conservative- oriented talk radio has been more > successful than left-leaning radio programming. But > broadcasting is only one small part of today's media > universe, which includes not just radio and television > broadcasting but print, cable, and Internet sources. > Conservatives have had no lock on opportunities, even in > radio. Programming with a liberal bent, from Mario > Cuomo's show to Air America, has been given > opportunities and will get more. >=20 > Moreover, arguments that the Fairness Doctrine is needed > because certain types of media are too conservative, too > negative, too partisan, or too anything actually strengthen > the case against the regulation. Any law that is targeted at > media based on the content of what is being said raises > greater constitutional concerns and is much less likely to > pass constitutional muster--and for good reason. Regulating > speech in order to alter its content is exactly the sort of > meddling that the First Amendment is meant to prohibit. It > is simply not the job of politicians to "correct" > the mix of opinions being expressed in the marketplace of > ideas, even if--and especially if--they disagree with those > opinions. >=20 > Conclusion >=20 > The Federal Communications Commission did the right thing > 20 years ago in throwing this unnecessary, > counter-productive, and unwise restriction on speech into > the regulatory dustbin. It should be left there. To do > otherwise would be dangerous and obviously unconstitutional. >=20 > [1]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free > Speech," The American Conservative, April 23, 2007, at > http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ article3. html. >=20 > [2]Quoted in Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, > "Chilling the Internet? Lessons from FCC Regulation of > Radio Broadcasting, " Cato Institute Policy Analysis > No. 270, March 19, 1997. >=20 > [3]See "Her Royal Fairness, The American Spectator, > May 14, 2007, at http://www.spectato r.org/dsp_ article.asp? > art_id=3D11427. >=20 > [4]For general background on the development of the rule, > see Museum of Broadcast Communications, "Fairness > Doctrine" at http://www.museum. tv/archives/ > etv/F/htmlF/ fairnessdoct/ fairnessdoct. htm. >=20 > [5]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free > Speech," The American Conservative, April 23, 2007, at > http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ article3. html. >=20 > [6]Ibid. >=20 > [7]Red Lion v. FCC, 395 U.S. 367 (1969). >=20 > [8]See, e.g.., William Van Alstyne, The Mobius Strip of the > First Amendment: Perspectives on Red Lion, 29 S. Carolina. > L. Rev. 539, 547-48 (1978) (listing many of the leading > articles in the first decade after the decision) at > http://eprints. law.duke. edu/archive/ 00000564/ 01/29_S._ > C._L._Rev. _539_(1978-1979) . pdf. >=20 > [9]The agency had originally declined to consider the > question of whether the rule was constitutional. In early > 1987, however, a federal court held that the FCC could not > enforce the doctrine unless it considered the constitutional > objections. Meredith v. FCC, 809 F. 2d 863 (1987). >=20 > [10]Syracuse Peace Council, 2 FCC Reports 5043 (1987). >=20 > [11]Syracuse Peace Council, 867 F. 2d 654 (D.C. Cir. > (1989)). >=20 > [12]Many believe that due to these developments, combined > with the longstanding legal criticism of the Red Lion case, > were it to be reconsidered today, it would be decided > differently. A study published two years ago by the FCC > itself makes this case convincingly. See, John W. > Berresford, "The Scarcity Rationale for Regulating > Traditional Broadcasting: An Idea Whose Time Has > Passed," FCC Media Bureau Staff Research Paper, March > 2005, at http://hraunfoss. fcc.gov/edocs_ public/attachmat > ch/DOC-257534A1. pdf. >=20 > [13]See Adam D. Thierer, "The Media Cornucopia," > City Journal, Spring 2007, at http://www.city- journal.org/ > html/17_2_ media.html. >=20 > [14]Project on Excellence in Journalism, "The State of > the News Media 2007: An Annual Report on American > Journalism, Talk Radio page, at http://www.stateoft > henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ radio_talk_ radio.asp? > cat=3D8&media=3D 9. >=20 > [15]Project on Excellence in Journalism, "The State of > the News Media 2007: An Annual Report on American > Journalism, Talk Radio page, at http://www.stateoft > henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ radio_talk_ radio.asp? > cat=3D8&media=3D 9. >=20 > [16]Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, "Was the > Fairness Doctrine a "Chilling Effect? Evidence from the > Post-deregulation Radio Market," 26 Journal of Legal > Studies 279 (1997). >=20 > Don >=20 > -- "Amy Mousie" > wrote: >=20 > This is proof positive that the abolition of the Fairness > Doctrine was > a Bad Idea-- >=20 > I can prove there are actually FEWER talk radio stations > today, > without the Fairness Doctrine than there were with: Just > eliminate all > the bird-fed takers ands see how many are left. Chances > are, MUCH > fewer than when the Fairness Doctrine was abolished. >=20 > Now, tell me- Was that a good thing? Did it REALLY improve > diversity > of voices and ownership to abolish the Fairness Doctrine? I > don't > think it was, just as much as letting the RIAA have free > reign over > royalty fees that have driven many statiuons from > broadcasting > anything beyond bird-fed programming. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, george russell > wrote: > > > > Yup, the "cookie-cutter" programs. One night > I sat in Durand, MI, > scanned > > the dial, and found 11 stations carrying C2C, and over > a dozen > carrying ESPN...with a lousy car radio! My stomach nearly > empties, > too! G=20 > >=20 > /info/terms/ =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 01:03:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3074 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 08:03:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 08:03:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.59) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 08:03:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96756 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 08:03:07 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:03:07 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:03:07 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <009001c8f698$c954d120$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <540807.96591.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=8lEihB3iMTAtot6BSFA2VtQkDKpZUWHQ3etzIJbfxRTKofvAhj6J X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do not pretend that you know me.=A0 I'm no kid.=A0 I'm a grown ass man at 3= 5 thank you! =A0 --- On Mon, 8/4/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote= : From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 9:11 PM Kid, you're way to young to be telling me what it was like under the fairne= ss doctrine. You're in love with an idea but you never lived through it's n= egative consequences. As Don said, it sounds innocuous and fairness is a ba= sic American virtue, but indeed it was used as a hammer by politicians of b= oth parties to silence the opposition. And his bland as cottage cheese desc= ription was pretty accurate.=20 As for your assertion that small town radio died because of its repeal, sor= ry again, but there are plenty of other factors at work that have diminishe= d its effectiveness. A good example is the Minnesota iron range northwest o= f Duluth. The old school stations are either gone or on the bird as there a= re far more stations up there than there ever used to be. Gone are the days= when one or two stations served a small town. One other point, and you can look up the government statistics if you don't= believe me, but the ultra rich vote Democrat 2:1 over Republican. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 01:06:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19890 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 08:06:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 08:06:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 08:06:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44079 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 08:06:24 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:06:24 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:06:24 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <964781.41342.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <691348.40635.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=1KNvEHt7U3AqADgXyYvoffYuIALttNLIimTef8JKiwUMIZPL3lwy X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You will find that very few people can think for themselves these days.=A0 = Those people are followers.=A0 Leaders are those who think for themselves.= =A0 I didn't go get educated to follow the masses.=A0 I can think for mysel= f.=A0 Most politicians are full of shit.=A0 There are a few that are ok.=A0= One thing I do know is that republicans do not care for the working man.= =A0 You'll never convince me any different.=A0 As I said I think and know f= or myself. =A0 --- On Mon, 8/4/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 10:49 PM Thanks, Kevin! You're half right anyway...I have a HUGE compassionate heart= (that sometimes gets me into trouble!), but smart? Well, maybe not by toda= y's standards, but I DO think for myself, and some people hate that, becaus= e I'm not easily snowed by the status quo. It is all about compassion, isn't it? Too many people are so stuck on "me, = me, ME!" that they don't remember that they are NOT the only people on the = planet. I long ago adopted a "live and let live" philosophy, and think that one man= 's rights extend all the way to...another man's rights! Flush..uh, that's Rush has a right to spew his twisted and outright false s= tatistics all he pleases...and I have the right to change the station! (Thank God for variable capacitors, hah-hah!) George --- On Mon, 8/4/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 9:41 PM > If Ultra rich people vote 2:1 for Democrats they must be > smart. >=20 > If George Russell votes for Democrats he is smart and has a >=20 > compassionate heart. At least thats what I get out of what > he says on=20 > this list. You don't have to be ultra rich to be smart > and vote for=20 > Democrats. >=20 > I believe that most people who are Republican are out for > themselves=20 > and not as smart as Democrats. If Republicans were like > Eisenhower, I=20 > would like them a lot more. >=20 > Kevin >=20 > On Aug 5, 2008, at 1:34 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: >=20 > > Are you insinuating that george russell > is stupid? > > > > -- kevin redding wrote: > > > > Its because they are smart. =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 01:14:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37104 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 08:14:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 08:14:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.250) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 08:14:18 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 08:14:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 08:14:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 08:14:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:14:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.13.247 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=OGMl9EFx6HK_bf_eKCUwG8MxR_DSwye0jXs1yXbyCIdit1iY X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 > wrote: > >=20 > > > At last, a technical question: Does somebody know if someone=20 > tested=20 > > > the possibility to transmit C-QUAM and ISB at the same time,=20 > with=20 > > > only one TX? > >=20 > > Can't be done simultaneously- The L-R in the quadrature of one is=20 > the > > reverse audio polarity of that of the other. You can alternate=20 > between > > the two with the same TX, even the same board, with a minimal extra > > circuitry. > >=20 > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > >=20 > Hi Amy!!! >=20 > You're right if you use the original Kahn and C-QUAM systems. >=20 > But if you use the same RF carrier and split it into two separate=20 > ways: one to get ISB (without the carrier, only the sidebands) and=20 > the other to get C-QUAM (without the final envelope modulator, just=20 > the QUAM signal) and then you join the two ways into only one=20 > signal... I think it must to work. >=20 > Nobody tested it? Oh, it's been done- There HAVE been discrete 4-channel AM tests, but they aren't practical- For some reason the diode-split independent sidebands would wreak havoc on envelope detectors, thus making it useless in C-QUAM decoding. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From dav259@optusnet.com.au Tue Aug 05 02:46:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79520 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 09:46:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 09:46:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.186) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 09:46:48 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d122-104-70-209.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [122.104.70.209]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m759kixB028374; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:46:45 +1000 To: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:46:44 +1000 Message-ID: <00a801c8f6e0$2c117d30$0301010a@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 thread-index: Acj2lmA5u6nxLDJCQoazjVR/FlKeRAARJfyg In-Reply-To: <005f01c8f696$db727da0$d503fea9@stodd> X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=TvIQ6PwuYVg1FSYxVvE91ENIC9O79CAsj0FoB53RLuSm X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 From: Scott Todd > I don't think the average folk hate us, by and large, but the > government leaders in much of the world do. For God's sake Scott, get out of bed and stop listening to Salem Radio when you are away from the station. So ... it's not the majority of people in Europe, Africa, Asia, South America, and the Antipodes who hate you; it's just their leaders. And I suppose they're all so undemocratic as well. After all, some are socialist. Does that make them undemocratic? Explain exactly why you said "I don't care if the world hates us". Don't you care about anyone else but Americans, and if so, why? Why not? > In Europe they've been so dependent upon our military I believe > they truly don't know how dangerous a world we really live in. Scott - you really have no idea what you are talking about. The peoples of Europe have been gutted twice in two world wars. That's why they understand danger much more than Americans (particularly you). Most of your fears are imagined. You can't succeed in fighting imaginary wars like Iraq. Tell me, what did Iraq actually do to cause people like you to invade it? > Those are the two prime sources of my cynicism towards the Useless > Nations, not a contempt for the average Omar, Svetlana or Julio. Your sarcastic reference to decent Arab etc names gets you nowhere. The UN is not perfect by a long shot. But it's the best we have at the moment. It would be good for the world if America embraced it ... rather than lie to it. Ian Melbourne From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 06:12:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39248 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 13:12:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 13:12:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 13:12:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13334 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 13:12:42 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.73] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 06:12:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 06:12:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <143315.13279.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=r30faccaPPezQ3x5zeRMuqjLXtdiRKxr7MJ9ga3WHKE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 8/4/08, kevin redding wrote: > > > One other point, and you can look up the government > statistics if > > you don't believe me, but the ultra rich vote > Democrat 2:1 over > > Republican. > > Its because they are smart. It's because they think they are smart, and are so rich they don't know what the reality of the REAL world is actually like. And they think they know more than anyone else and look very snootitly down on " the masses"... Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 06:25:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74662 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 13:25:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 13:25:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 13:25:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21800 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 13:25:24 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.73] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 06:25:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 06:25:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <64456.31516.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <866873.17849.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=SJFrOMIpqDCt6PDK1EjIeXPYYI60NdhG7Egu8mJJ9Mc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Sorry, both wrong in the fact that the profs and the books just show the theory of what it should do. Don is 100% correct, as it was implemented by politicians of both sides and crackpot individuals and caused nothing but trouble and grief. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what > I said it was about unless you are saying that my professors > are wrong and that the textbooks are wrong! From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 06:28:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34593 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 13:28:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 13:28:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 13:28:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32833 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 13:28:43 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.73] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 06:28:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 06:28:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <838506.30369.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <418615.32767.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ArCSgk844QZ4Y3nHUpJfHWmF1W2mGbIOThhrBopV-EQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > Television dominated by Democrats? Where? What about Fox > News? Fair and Balanced? > What about all the Christian networks? Minor networks of just religious stuff. Not doing news in every market as the NBC, CBS, and ABC is . And CNN on cable. You are grasping for straws and yours just broke. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 06:40:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26952 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 13:40:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 13:40:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 13:40:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 88443 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 13:40:16 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.73] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 06:40:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 06:40:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <336539.36731.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <823016.88401.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=E3Xe-VDwuk1xoMwMEjQ-0JZaFqxXgFI-YOclbHVQ0wM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 4:01 AM > Yeah I think that was Air Americas problem was they came out > swinging too hard too fast. They didn't have enough professionals. And they sounded that way and overly mean. I mean I can understand though > because that view had so long been supressed on radio. I > think though they could have done democrats more justice by > being educated, well read, and speaking with authority but > not disrespect. Al Franken didn't translate to radio as he wasn't a radio person. He is being VERY quiet about it in his run for the Senate in his state. He was funny on TV, but on radio he didn't have a clue how to make the transition. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 06:51:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9733 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 13:51:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 13:51:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 13:51:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 40338 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 13:51:09 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.73] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 06:51:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 06:51:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <124091.80780.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <624688.40195.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=9gUAWp2xwZFidIeZPwPxTBy7BgCsbmshj-e4vPhYpJI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW inline comments NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > Kudos to that! So true! Want the rest of the story? > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, george russell > > > > > > > This will stick in even MORE throats, but it needs to be > said... > Instead of universal health care, how about (a) price > controls on a very greedy genre of business, health care, > and (b) a minimum wage high enough to AFFORD a doctor? When > a hospital can charge you $25 for a couple aspirin tablets > because they serve them in a paper cup at your bedside > (I've SEEN this on an itemized bill!), how in the hell > is anybody working for slave wages supposed to get cared > for? What about the thousands of people that stick the hospital with the bills. The hopital can't refuse to treat. Many hospitals have had to close their emergency rooms except for the government one. I guess all the others should close then ? Under your plan it would. Most large hospitals aren't making money. In border states there are so many illegals that most hospitals have closed emergency rooms, and some hospitals went bust and most are on life support. And it won't get better. Seems to me this is all a very convenient way to thin > the herd of anybody that hasn't "succeeded", > i.e. > drives an expensive car, wears a $500 watch, or lives on > the "right" side of the tracks. > I WORK for a living (if you could even call it a living), > and God help me if I even need a tooth pulled! And how would you like to pay hundreds of thousands a year for your malpractice .... that's IF you can get it. There are some classes of doctors baby doctors.....that are just giving up. And paying for med school and living in poverty until they get that paid off ? So you think a doctor that went to school for 8 years should make the same money as some unskilled person ? How Marxist. Powell From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 06:57:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31097 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 13:57:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 13:57:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 13:57:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82741 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 13:57:56 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:57:56 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:57:56 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <866873.17849.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <592842.80394.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=aJDIBlcsLM5W4KiMyJi_J9qCc6q3bVRBs2jRpWxn3s7NpHboqn1m X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You should come to class and teach then.=A0 Wonder how that would go? =A0 =A0 --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 9:25 AM Sorry, both wrong in the fact that the profs and the books just show the th= eory of what it should do. Don is 100% correct, as it was implemented by po= liticians of both sides and crackpot individuals and caused nothing but tro= uble and grief.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what > I said it was about unless you are saying that my professors > are wrong and that the textbooks are wrong! =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 06:59:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36030 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 13:59:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 13:59:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 13:59:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66108 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 13:59:12 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:59:12 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:59:12 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <418615.32767.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <320851.64523.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=xPgcNW4YvhEgHMddYEvodCmMgZrKhFSHFP-p5D1q74MKWiJg28KD X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not hardly, the storm is gathering and people are waking up to the way thin= gs have been done and are stepping up to the plate.=A0 I think we'll see ch= ange this election, at least I hope. =A0 --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 9:28 AM NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > Television dominated by Democrats? Where? What about Fox > News? Fair and Balanced?=20 > What about all the Christian networks? Minor networks of just religious stuff. Not doing news in every market as t= he NBC, CBS, and ABC is . And CNN on cable. You are grasping for straws and= yours just broke. Powell =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 07:06:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69667 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 14:06:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 14:06:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:06:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 51497 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 14:06:00 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.73] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:06:00 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:06:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <592842.80394.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <382000.51404.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=VgOGPLEWJvm9D0C0ZymcxNMk4SNf96S3QtuE7stXzaA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > You should come to class and teach then. Wonder how that > would go? I don't have teaching credentials. But with my gift of gab, heh heh....run faaaaaast !! I know that some broadcast professionals have done that part time. Or, they took these students into the station to teach them the reality of what radio is. I hate to tell you this, but most radio stations will look at your piece of paper in disdain. The first thing they will ask you is what experience have you had in a REAL radio station! Powell From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 07:06:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64110 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 14:06:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 14:06:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:06:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 89635 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 14:06:33 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:06:33 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:06:33 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <823016.88401.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <878907.89522.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ieo1O_qIRPrdGnr5uIu0Nepj7I9G1tly1jpGjRIi1Rn49Ma8C8f- X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike Malloy on XM now that guy can rip a new asshole like no one else.=A0 H= e was the one that ripped bush a new one.=A0 I nearly fell off my chair.=A0= We need more people like that!=A0 People who tell it like it is to this BS= the republicans blow.=A0 Oh dems blow some too but damn ive never seen BS = like the current bush cronies.=A0 This is the worst president we ever had.= =A0 Mccain is more of the same.=A0 I vote Mike Malloy! =A0 --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 9:40 AM NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 4:01 AM > Yeah I think that was Air Americas problem was they came out > swinging too hard too fast.=20 They didn't have enough professionals. And they sounded that way and overly= mean.=20 I mean I can understand though > because that view had so long been supressed on radio. I > think though they could have done democrats more justice by > being educated, well read, and speaking with authority but > not disrespect.=20 Al Franken didn't translate to radio as he wasn't a radio person. He is bei= ng VERY quiet about it in his run for the Senate in his state. He was funny= on TV, but on radio he didn't have a clue how to make the transition.=20 Powell =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 07:09:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25484 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 14:09:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 14:09:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:09:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73707 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 14:09:18 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:09:18 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:09:18 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <624688.40195.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <763994.73342.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ECKthgqvRn7l9BKPhceCby5lagyonAHtzxWgGc-glOHKR9S8zvWL X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No but they are overpaid and i'm sorry if you can't see that.=A0 Folks why = is it that some poor people will take up for doctors and other rich people = who make way too much money?=A0 I guess they want to continue living in pov= erty and just have no health care at all.=A0 They'd rather argue quality an= d other BS than have any health care at all when the truth is they themselv= es most likely have no healthcare.=A0 As Susan Powter said "Stop the Insani= ty" already! =A0 --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 9:51 AM inline comments NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > Kudos to that! So true! Want the rest of the story?=20 > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, george russell >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > This will stick in even MORE throats, but it needs to be > said... > Instead of universal health care, how about (a) price > controls on a very greedy genre of business, health care, > and (b) a minimum wage high enough to AFFORD a doctor? When > a hospital can charge you $25 for a couple aspirin tablets > because they serve them in a paper cup at your bedside > (I've SEEN this on an itemized bill!), how in the hell > is anybody working for slave wages supposed to get cared > for? What about the thousands of people that stick the hospital with the bills. = The hopital can't refuse to treat. Many hospitals have had to close their e= mergency rooms except for the government one.=20 I guess all the others should close then ? Under your plan it would. Most l= arge hospitals aren't making money. In border states there are so many ille= gals that most hospitals have closed emergency rooms, and some hospitals we= nt bust and most are on life support. And it won't get better.=20 Seems to me this is all a very convenient way to thin > the herd of anybody that hasn't "succeeded", > i.e. > drives an expensive car, wears a $500 watch, or lives on > the "right" side of the tracks. > I WORK for a living (if you could even call it a living), > and God help me if I even need a tooth pulled! And how would you like to pay hundreds of thousands a year for your malprac= tice .... that's IF you can get it. There are some classes of doctors baby = doctors..... that are just giving up. And paying for med school and living = in poverty until they get that paid off ?=20 So you think a doctor that went to school for 8 years should make the same = money as some unskilled person ? How Marxist.=20 Powell =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 07:19:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64154 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 14:19:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 14:19:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:19:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16591 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 14:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.73] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:19:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:19:34 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <878907.89522.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <836045.16469.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=EeXwU0J6RgIFVemFJdzbi0nU_HQUyGW7an1UhBWUVYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 10:06 AM > Mike Malloy on XM now that guy can rip a new asshole like no > one else. When Mike Malloy was on WSB he was so much fun. Now he sounds like an escaped mental patient off his medication. When I listened to him on WSB on Fridays he had a Dateless and Desperate and it was a hoot. I would love for someone to call in and request it. Powell From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 07:22:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59421 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 14:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 14:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:22:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1816 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 14:22:11 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:22:11 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:22:11 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <382000.51404.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <525628.1217.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=6zU6C8oFrKSOPQIKyG9YnxYcNd1NaktRXl5Tdc0Os1DutI-zYBF- X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Then Sir you explain to me...oh and the rest of us why there are those cred= entials then?=A0 Can you just enlighten us and tell us about it?=A0 You are= stuck in the dark ages.=A0 Degrees do matter sir and that is why you are n= ow asked to earn one.=A0 We don't live in the industrial age no longer.=A0 = We are not even in the post industrial age.=A0 We are in the information ag= e.=A0 Education will increasingly come to matter as time progresses.=A0 Thi= s is how an information society advances.=A0 Yes experience matters but it'= s not everything.=A0 Besides how do you get experience today?=A0 Well you i= ntern which is bullshit because it's a way companies get free help.=A0 It h= elps their costs.=A0 They figured a way to screw young people who worked ha= rd to earn a degree, not to mention paid lots of money for that investment.= =A0 If you think that you can get in the door of a major station in the gre= enville market without a college degree you're dreaming.=A0 Even worse in C= harlotte or Atlanta.=A0 They do require it and it was an Associates for a while and= now increasingly its a Bachelors.=A0 I know quite a few people in the Ente= rcom group and Entercom requires degrees.=A0 You might say well what about = mom and pop operations but you tell me.....where are they in this market?= =A0 They are next to nihl unless you're mexican!=A0 LOL!=A0 No sir radio is= quite a professional operation nowadays and if you want to play with the b= ig boys you have to have that degree.=A0 They don't look at it in disdain.= =A0 Perhaps that might happen at some mom and pop where the person who owns= the station has been in radio all their life and has no degree and then it= 's only because they are jealous.=A0 Why theres this disrespect for people = with degrees by some people I'll never understand.=A0 College degrees are n= ot given out.=A0 They are earned and after a lot of blood, sweat, and tears= .=A0 Believe me I graduated from a nationally ranked university and know.= =A0 I worked my ass off for my education so why do you disrespect me for having = a degree?=A0 You could do the same yourself sir.=A0 No it's not easy, in fa= ct it's harder than just getting your foot in the door and working.=A0 Manu= al labor just requires you to be a hard worker and that I am.=A0 Trust me y= ou can earn degrees the same way I did but it requires time, money, lots of= effort, and critical thinking, reading, and studying.=A0 I believe anyone= =A0 who really wants to can do it.=A0 Please don't begrudge me for choosing= to be educated because I earned my degrees through hard work and lots of p= ersonal sacrifice..=A0 I haven't begrudged you for being a hard worker.=A0= =20 =A0 =A0 --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 10:06 AM --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > You should come to class and teach then. Wonder how that > would go? I don't have teaching credentials. But with my gift of gab, heh heh....run = faaaaaast !! I know that some broadcast professionals have done that part t= ime. Or, they took these students into the station to teach them the realit= y of what radio is.=20 I hate to tell you this, but most radio stations will look at your piece of= paper in disdain. The first thing they will ask you is what experience hav= e you had in a REAL radio station! Powell =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 07:23:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93292 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 14:23:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 14:23:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:23:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87221 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 14:23:23 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.73] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:23:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:23:22 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <763994.73342.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <141968.87109.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=bNG0e1D3IRBpP4imOWCzwtdw3yt-768icW4akd2PxiU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > No but they are overpaid and i'm sorry if you can't > see that. I guess you would rather there be no doctors, or a very few underqualified ones. Most are not overpaid. Get rid of these expensive medicines. Go back to 1940 levels of medicines. We don't need this expensive stuff anyway. It would solve our overpopulation problem. Powell From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 07:24:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57855 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 14:24:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 14:24:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.125.176) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:24:30 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n11.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 14:24:30 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.71] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 14:24:30 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 14:24:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 327664.73240.bm@omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 36159 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 14:24:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.120.197.103 with plain) by smtp119.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:24:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _KOmcOAVM1l3NToUSc.ypEgGg7XCcJyFLzDzb3kmCUta98CrQA1_uQ5co.yc9bKXuAX008zcSaTN6EQpVUjV1FARRXSqBDMjXe0uvxpsSpi84ouMwS2cEjawulJK_aijSinFZ2nvFEAK1cVBpRwtBUo- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <336539.36731.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <336539.36731.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0C797247-4E1E-4717-B2BA-EAD0A1DE4F42@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:24:28 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.125.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=rWzuNj1_QMbiTyINJjDjwwNHpYC9OPxJ8WoYJ2a7BZF7Mj1_6g X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 5, 2008, at 3:01 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Yeah I think that was Air Americas problem was they came out > swinging too hard too fast. No, their problem was two fold. 1. They told stations they had to drop everything and pick up a complete 24/7 package and nothing else. In the beginning you couldn't pick up one or two shows. Stations have contracts and can't just drop everything to pick up 24 hours of broadcasting. 2. Early on they had all comedians for talk show hosts. No one was on who had a serious background. That killed them. Nova M Radio seems to be doing it differently. They let stations pick and choose what they want. They are growing and big out west. You can listen to some excellent progressive radio at www.novamradio.com/live Kevin From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 07:24:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58571 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 14:24:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 14:24:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:24:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24052 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 14:24:38 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:24:38 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:24:38 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <836045.16469.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <662657.24011.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=goZCDSmpXK6SO-GqYpdeZ6yqV8-R_5KLmGt9iuZXiwKHQ7aTWr7D X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I like Mike.=A0 A lot of what he does is playing and comedy when he juices = it up but he makes people think.=A0 Now the other Mike, Mike Gallagher.=A0 = I have no clue how that no talent ass clown ever got on radio.=A0 He has no= class.=A0 He even made fun of Robert Kennedy Jr's disability.=A0 I heard h= im.=A0 That is just below the belt.=A0 Behaviour like that is always eviden= t of people who have no talent. =A0 --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 10:19 AM --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 10:06 AM > Mike Malloy on XM now that guy can rip a new asshole like no > one else.=20 When Mike Malloy was on WSB he was so much fun. Now he sounds like an escap= ed mental patient off his medication.=20 When I listened to him on WSB on Fridays he had a Dateless and Desperate an= d it was a hoot. I would love for someone to call in and request it.=20 Powell =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 07:29:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16849 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 14:29:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 14:29:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.222) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:29:05 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 14:29:05 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.64] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 14:29:05 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp416.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 14:29:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 157581.78436.bm@omp416.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 82577 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 14:29:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.120.197.103 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:29:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jY98qrUVM1kdK6FnSi9qh_5mPxVkEhcerwrp1543w0lCfrEHuk30qUmK3aekzBtlEJq_t3Lm2DwIoCLmXk3HNM5MDa2JR2KIM8jtkF4bEGQAXBUzduZQYeS.m5IkeVkBVQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <662657.24011.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <662657.24011.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:29:03 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=w_Npr_VBoSYIxQWTVM7xVRGqLE4Ls-JFHouvc8_OYYPbdGE-pg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 5, 2008, at 9:24 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > When Mike Malloy was on WSB he was so much fun. Now he sounds like > an escaped mental patient off his medication. Mike Malloy is awesome and quite coherent. He just takes ZERO crap from Republicans. I love his show. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 07:29:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19859 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 14:29:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 14:29:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:29:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 91554 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 14:29:47 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.73] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:29:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:29:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0C797247-4E1E-4717-B2BA-EAD0A1DE4F42@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <452410.91216.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=7HQO3-9zHfPFxZ_BiL15Mjb_ml8qATMPLCS5RG-BvuU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I checked every station in the west and SW and all those carrying those were close to the very bottom of the rankings, and not growing. The Asheville, NC station does the best, but it's not where I would advertise. Asheville, NC is more liberal than San Francisco in many ways..... Powell From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 07:32:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12602 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 14:32:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 14:32:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:32:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29955 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 14:32:21 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:32:21 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:32:21 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <141968.87109.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <251063.26940.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=pUW3O85wl2H3SECzPx5KnwuObmL_Bcyj9Mr84bXN9eNBsn08XJ5V X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No sir that wouldnt happen.=A0 To be a doctor in the first place requires a= certain level or education and standard.=A0 I don't think there would be p= eople who were not qualified.=A0 Those people don't get into medical school= .=A0=A0 Only the qualified ones make it.=A0 Even after you make it into med= ical school theres a weeding out process.=A0 This usually happens in the fi= rst coursework you would take.=A0 In fact theres a weeding out process in c= ollege period at all levels be it med school, undergrad, or graduate school= .=A0 Yes some can't make the cut.=A0 It's hard to make it.=A0 Thats why onl= y around 25% of the american population hold a Bachelors degree.=A0 Most of= it though is due to people who don't want it bad enough.=A0 I've always be= lieved that anyone who really wants it can earn it.=A0 As I said earlier, i= ts not easy.=A0 There are people in college though of all ages.=A0 I had a = retired dentist in a class recently.=A0 He came back to college because he = wanted to start his second career at 74 years old as he said.=A0 He wanted to do cri= minal justice.=A0 He graduated with me.=A0 Wonderful guy.=A0 Now I have no = plans for a doctorate but so far i've earned an Associates, Bachelors, two = college certificates in two different fields,=A0 and was in the national ho= nors society in college and am currently working towards my Masters.=A0 Tha= ts not too shabby!=A0 If I can do it I think anyone on this list can.=A0 Go= for it! =A0 --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 10:23 AM NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > No but they are overpaid and i'm sorry if you can't > see that. I guess you would rather there be no doctors, or a very few underqualified = ones. Most are not overpaid.=20 Get rid of these expensive medicines. Go back to 1940 levels of medicines. = We don't need this expensive stuff anyway. It would solve our overpopulatio= n problem.=20 Powell =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 07:33:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 843 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 14:33:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 14:33:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.222) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:33:42 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 14:33:42 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.254] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 14:33:42 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 14:33:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 648895.72139.bm@omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 85035 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 14:33:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.120.197.103 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:33:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YRo0kf0VM1ndWw0R7pZxCm9deg6zN.pifzgjzrUipRMZ5ju1diJfz9KRGY4JO1wej5yRuZzHLCYteEZcFRZIlyx0roIP7RJUm5YUHKaCcJVw8qLb3uTGaDC2Jljgt_4W_g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <525628.1217.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <525628.1217.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5DAF58E9-FE87-4C52-972F-F06415A3381C@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:33:41 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=tEe_5ZYxeY9SINRnJBtGrc0QUyJ_r1AF45mncv8JHGWtyCwxdg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Degrees do matter sir and that is why you are now asked to earn one. I am a degreed engineer. Yes they are important but they are not as big a deal as you make out. I have met many a dumb ass with a degree. Kevin From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 07:33:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59265 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 14:33:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 14:33:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:33:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 91884 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 14:33:51 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:33:51 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:33:51 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0C797247-4E1E-4717-B2BA-EAD0A1DE4F42@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <686674.91683.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Yy7teeJv2otQb1BReRadsnqxKDRptsAxwhu-rcQOX1ESNFpvqAaB X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agreed as well.=A0 That was a problem and someone else mentioned that about= Al Franken.=A0 They did need more educated folks and less of the bullshitt= ers, LOL! =A0 --- On Tue, 8/5/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 10:24 AM On Aug 5, 2008, at 3:01 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Yeah I think that was Air Americas problem was they came out=20 > swinging too hard too fast. No, their problem was two fold. 1. They told stations they had to drop everything and pick up a=20 complete 24/7 package and nothing else. In the beginning you couldn't=20 pick up one or two shows. Stations have contracts and can't just drop=20 everything to pick up 24 hours of broadcasting. 2. Early on they had all comedians for talk show hosts. No one was on=20 who had a serious background. That killed them. Nova M Radio seems to be doing it differently. They let stations pick=20 and choose what they want. They are growing and big out west. You can=20 listen to some excellent progressive radio at www.novamradio. com/live Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 07:35:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15525 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 14:35:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 14:35:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:35:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 74492 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 14:35:19 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:35:19 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:35:19 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <452410.91216.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <319223.74320.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=b31vPIfg3Hr8AAffdohznlQkFLE42oPdr-6yX_k_HwKIFn-AsuO5 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very true.=A0 Asheville is very liberal.=A0 Very much so in the 90s.=A0 I d= on't know how things are now as I haven't really spent time in asheville si= nce 1998-1999 more than just a ride through. =A0 --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 10:29 AM I checked every station in the west and SW and all those carrying those wer= e close to the very bottom of the rankings, and not growing.=20 The Asheville, NC station does the best, but it's not where I would adverti= se. Asheville, NC is more liberal than San Francisco in many ways.....=20 Powell=20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 07:36:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52488 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 14:36:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 14:36:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:36:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12483 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 14:36:20 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:36:20 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:36:20 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <452410.91216.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <422302.11743.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Z2XiWiekWWwH37YGdNTiUIR0z5_OBr54IoFP1R_b8set0uAKQXOs X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Powell on that liberal note.....In the 90s I used to see young gay men walk= down the street in downtown Asheville holding hands.=A0 Thats pretty liber= al!=A0 And they all think California is the only liberal place! =A0 --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 10:29 AM I checked every station in the west and SW and all those carrying those wer= e close to the very bottom of the rankings, and not growing.=20 The Asheville, NC station does the best, but it's not where I would adverti= se. Asheville, NC is more liberal than San Francisco in many ways.....=20 Powell=20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 07:38:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27927 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 14:38:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 14:38:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:38:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 76449 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 14:38:12 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:38:12 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:38:12 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5DAF58E9-FE87-4C52-972F-F06415A3381C@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <372899.76235.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=FzWH4qGuOu7PFzmCaU4YXXGAbPJD7DgT4h273sWwXpyCaY-MaRF5 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As have I.=A0 I am making the point though that the are very important now = in the information age and you'd be hard pressed as time continues to move = forward to get a job without one.=A0=20 Now if you are working now and are say 55+ and have been in the field 30+ y= ears then no I suppose you don't need one because when those folks were hir= ed it wasn't required.=A0=20 =A0 =A0 --- On Tue, 8/5/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 10:33 AM > Degrees do matter sir and that is why you are now asked to earn one. I am a degreed engineer. Yes they are important but they are not as=20 big a deal as you make out. I have met many a dumb ass with a degree. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 07:39:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18535 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 14:39:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 14:39:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 14:39:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 76961 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 14:39:10 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:39:10 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:39:10 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <794590.69796.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=yWkzZOWUbWssT4cQsih8s1mvxZlgPXIQNC9NMd38YjQWSadJUUpT X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes he does!=A0 I like his zero tolerance policy!=A0 He tells them like it = is! =A0 =A0 =A0 --- On Tue, 8/5/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 10:29 AM On Aug 5, 2008, at 9:24 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > When Mike Malloy was on WSB he was so much fun. Now he sounds like=20 > an escaped mental patient off his medication. Mike Malloy is awesome and quite coherent. He just takes ZERO crap=20 from Republicans. I love his show. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 08:03:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76799 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 15:03:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 15:03:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 15:03:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 93108 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 15:03:00 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.91] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:03:00 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:03:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <662657.24011.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <314419.93052.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=gVtcYYz9ARu67T2xvOvERLckpLj0W9M05LYsbUXF7gk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 10:24 AM > I like Mike. I used to. Not anymore. I get blinding headaches. Gallllllaggggher...... no never mind. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 08:06:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56285 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 15:06:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 15:06:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 15:06:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 83886 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 15:06:19 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.91] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:06:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:06:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <251063.26940.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <112764.83439.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=9sa8DjWmZ8w8PLp7pw1ikh3XaV5qKQNO7aKP-pl2HzE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > No sir that wouldnt happen. Oh yeah? > To be a doctor in the first > place requires a certain level or education and standard. > I don't think there would be people who were not > qualified. Those people don't get into medical > school. Only the qualified ones make it. Even after > you make it into medical school theres a weeding out > process. This usually happens in the first coursework you > would take. In fact theres a weeding out process in > college period at all levels be it med school, undergrad, or > graduate school. Yes some can't make the cut. > It's hard to make it. There ere those who can do the schoolwork but be a klutz in the real world. And you want to deny them the right to make money. You need to go into politics.... you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth here. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 08:08:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11476 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 15:08:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 15:08:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 15:08:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96984 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 15:08:36 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.91] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:08:36 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:08:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <422302.11743.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <189533.96135.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=SheEW9kiJPgeWiaSWGT7N0ANhaGRF-hhNGlzHcBir24 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > Powell on that liberal note.....In the 90s I used to see > young gay men walk down the street in downtown Asheville > holding hands. Thats pretty liberal! And they all think > California is the only liberal place! And they probably are still doing so. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 08:12:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66909 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 15:12:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 15:12:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 15:12:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23316 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 15:12:42 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.91] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:12:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:12:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0C797247-4E1E-4717-B2BA-EAD0A1DE4F42@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <749439.22690.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: XEROK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=dWoWcuDlohzxqxLeEVfbYKk3ktwhIu0xTwS0r4355Eg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Power level used is 20 KW day and 50KW nights as per Barry Mishkind of the [BC] list and Paul Gregg. They recently visited there. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 08:26:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93428 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 15:26:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 15:26:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 15:26:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 69570 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 15:26:11 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:26:11 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:26:11 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <112764.83439.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <940793.69188.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=V3-ny-CZkIvLjsZV-bnxihvSiOy90Og7quOkGcS_DgCZ-BLZOtiY X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Naw not at all, just stating facts.=A0 The fact that you have a good educat= ion doesn't give you the right to be overpaid.=A0 I never said that.=A0 If = you think doctors are going in the poor house you need to do some more rese= arch.=A0 Far from it.=A0 As far as politics.....I was student body presiden= t of my college does that count?=A0 ;o) =A0 =A0 --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 11:06 AM NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > No sir that wouldnt happen.=20 Oh yeah?=20 > To be a doctor in the first > place requires a certain level or education and standard.=20 > I don't think there would be people who were not > qualified. Those people don't get into medical > school. Only the qualified ones make it. Even after > you make it into medical school theres a weeding out > process. This usually happens in the first coursework you > would take. In fact theres a weeding out process in > college period at all levels be it med school, undergrad, or > graduate school. Yes some can't make the cut.=20 > It's hard to make it.=20 There ere those who can do the schoolwork but be a klutz in the real world.= And you want to deny them the right to make money. You need to go into pol= itics.... you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth here.=20 Powell =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 10:11:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92214 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 17:11:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 17:11:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 17:11:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17650 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 17:11:05 -0000 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:11:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:11:05 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <752732.3018.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=yNQjwc1r_Jr7wshIKTx3Xs-z-51am7lT7luSKBFPGqDnQ6sWD3Y-r1o X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio As an independant, I could support Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee for this reason alone - a decent plan to end the illegal take-over of our country by illegal aliens; our forefathers came here legally, applied for citizenship, took English classes, got jobs, flew the American flag every day and didn't force their language, flag or old country loyalty on us. "... In border states there are so many illegals that most hospitals have closed emergency rooms..." From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 10:22:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58737 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 17:22:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 17:22:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 17:22:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 33910 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 17:22:56 -0000 X-Received: from [75.45.200.59] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:22:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:22:56 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <749439.22690.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <516610.33856.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} XEROK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=F-cqBhLCXKeq4N9E-nVn1yPmiEDtPa5g3Jt54FrKNVFs8w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Really?=A0 So why in the world did they buy THREE DX-50s?=A0 This is most s= trange...=A0=A0=20 Any body that hable Espanol out there feel like calling them on the phone a= nd talking to the engineer?=A0 That would be the best source, don't you thi= nk?=A0=A0 G --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: {AMSF} XEROK To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 11:12 AM Power level used is 20 KW day and 50KW nights as per Barry Mishkind of the = [BC] list and Paul Gregg. They recently visited there.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Aug 05 10:45:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86927 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 17:45:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 17:45:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.152) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 17:45:32 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.23]) by bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:45:32 -0700 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:45:31 -0700 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.112 by BLU108-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:45:24 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:45:24 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2008 17:45:31.0807 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E6E12F0:01C8F723] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=cnD_1FRxq5yiKOFsDN8HE-V3Lx_ONRktpCmbdjuodNFOTUr4B3rZamxR2d4 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not to change the thread too much, but.............. this weekend I was listening to WVLG, 640 out of the Villages (despite the fact they are slightly under 1000 watts and have the 650 out of Cuba interference; they have a good signal considering, must have good grounding)' anyway I noticed around 2am Monday morning that they might even be live at the time; instead of the usual overnight automated jingles and music, they had an announcer, now whether she was live or on Memorex, I don't know, since I fell back asleep before Ii could see if there were any current time checks or temperatures. During the week from 1130 through 1pm; the have "Focus on the Villages, which contains local news, Paul Harvey (substitute Ron Chapman yesterday- Monday) and then a call in show mixed with the local news and calendar. Just a few miles down the road, WLBE- 790-Leesburg,Fl is also live and local and over the weekend, they had more music than talk when I listened one and off for several hours on Saturday and Sunday. I heard more live and local in this small town market this weekend, than I can hear in a whole week in the St. Petersburg/Tampa market on the AM band. The strongest signal from where I was is 540 WFLF (id's as WFLA) and I noticed 5 minutes of dead air Saturday afternoon around 3:30 during one of the "best of" (sic) programs; I finally changed the dial to 640. Now back................... to the political Food Fight......already in progress!! :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 11:52:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10766 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 18:52:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 18:52:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 18:52:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80907 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 18:52:39 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:52:39 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:52:39 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <752732.3018.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <637566.80603.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=fgt5bJl9o_SEiKWAT60aHziLFAnNOhPJICjahJVeSTozxOqsXch0 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Couldn't agree more!=A0 I'm with you on runnin these wetbacks out! =A0 --- On Tue, 8/5/08, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Re: small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:11 PM As an independant, I could support Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee for this reaso= n alone - a decent plan to end the illegal take-over of our country by ille= gal aliens; our forefathers came here legally, applied for citizenship, too= k English classes, got jobs, flew the American flag every day and didn't fo= rce their language, flag or old country loyalty on us. "... In border states there are so many illegals that most hospitals have c= losed emergency rooms..." =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 11:54:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16645 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 18:54:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 18:54:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 18:54:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 76808 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 18:54:18 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:54:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:54:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <516610.33856.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <738121.76239.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} XEROK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=OEEpwzK8GPa83lXVdEFJmUFgJXmOFgxqGeyrs98a5QM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/5/08, george russell wrote: > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} XEROK > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:22 PM > Really?=A0 So why in the world did they buy THREE DX-50s?=A0 > This is most strange...=A0=A0=20 > Any body that hable Espanol out there feel like calling > them on the phone and talking to the engineer?=A0 That would > be the best source, don't you think?=A0=A0 G That's who they saw.=20 Powell From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 12:28:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92899 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 19:28:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 19:28:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 19:28:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 56858 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 19:28:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:28:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:28:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <738121.76239.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <359968.56672.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} XEROK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=dfYX-NTY_4K-9Wfnn2WoGaTk5P25t_Z8jwlii1NBjeF4wg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 That's weird. They WERE running high power, I could hear them up here in C= KLW country on many nights, often overshadowing CK. Is this drop in power a=A0recent thing? I last heard X-Rok last fall. G --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} XEROK > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 2:54 PM > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, george russell > wrote: >=20 > > From: george russell > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} XEROK > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:22 PM > > Really?=A0 So why in the world did they buy THREE > DX-50s?=A0 > > This is most strange...=A0=A0=20 > > Any body that hable Espanol out there feel like > calling > > them on the phone and talking to the engineer?=A0 That > would > > be the best source, don't you think?=A0=A0 G >=20 > That's who they saw.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell =20=20=20=20=20=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 12:37:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15354 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 19:37:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 19:37:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 19:37:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14053 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 19:37:35 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:37:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:37:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <359968.56672.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <749676.14038.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} XEROK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Z7dTGxlknMEZd54VBP3ZdWv9qhfcMuzn-a_6A0qFRo4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/5/08, george russell wrote: > That's weird. They WERE running high power, I could > hear them up here in CKLW country on many nights, often > overshadowing CK. > Is this drop in power a=A0recent thing? I last heard X-Rok > last fall. > G Honestly, the difference between 50 and 100 and even 150 KW isn't that much= . It looks like it is. Just going from 250 to 1000 watts barely moves the = S meter at all. 10 time the power to do anything. Powell From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 12:43:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28042 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 19:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 19:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 19:43:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13480 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 19:43:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:43:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:43:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <43963.79504.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <783413.12530.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=1POd2uZMtBpTp5Qx16cOJcom_bDHR6Kapi4lr24ovmAtgw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Bullseye! And as far as the working man goes, what will happen when we hav= e ALL been replaced? Will the "chosen few", out of the kindness of their h= earts, provide for us like a bunch of pets? Not likely! That is when you will see serious efforts at "population engineering" start to take place. It's already been discussed in high places.=20 It may not happen in my lifetime, but it breaks my heart thinking about wha= t our kids are going to have to deal with...God help them! Keep on thinking for yourself, Kevin! Some will not like it, but it is the= last thing the powerful haven't figured out a way to steal from you! George --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:40 AM > George, > =A0 > My father is a minister!=A0 Ha!=A0 A minister i'm not but > I do believe in the things this country was founded on, not > the modern version of this revisionist history.=A0 I champion > the working man.=A0 It's scary when a few billionaires > run things!=A0 This is what i've been > "preaching" for a long time to close friends.=A0 We > are losing our country to this sick malaise we are currently > under.=A0 As I said I lean more democrat but that doesn't > mean i'm a total lock stock and barrel democrat.=A0 > I'm more a person who listens to both sides then makes > up his mind.=A0 I don't agree with everything the > democrats do.=A0 For one they need to support offshore > drilling for the short term but I still believe long term we > need to look at alternate fuels.=A0 In college it was > explained and taught to us that the US has enough oil that > we could survive for perhaps 200 years without any help from > outside oil sources.=A0 That is WAY more than enough time to > have researchers figuring > out a new alternate source of energy.=A0 They should > approach it as we did the space program in the 1960's.=A0 > A large effort of the best scientists and researchers and > put the money towards it.=A0 Thats our best hope energy > wise.=A0 People in the US are starving and we run off and > feed the rest of the world.=A0 While I support helping lesser > nations I still think we should take care of our own.=A0 > There is absolutely NO reason anyone in this country should > go without food or shelter.=A0 Those who think so have more > money than sense.=A0 Lets not stray too far from topic > though.=A0 I just wanted to show i'm not a total dem lock > stock and barrel.=A0 If I were I wouldnt support offshore > drilling because I would think that somehow that was going > to hurt the earth so much!=A0 Gee!=A0 Those people are nuts > that think like that!=A0 Back to fairness doctrine and lord > i'm rehashing so I wont say much but I think we do need > to get back to it.=A0 As I stated earlier just look > how things are so much more controlled now.=A0=20 > =A0 > -Kevin > =A0 >=20 > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, george russell > wrote: >=20 > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:54 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Kevin, if you ever become a preacher, I'll stuff the > offering plate! > That pretty well sums up what I and a LOT of folks I know > believe. > BTW, it's not the Fox NEWS channel...it' s the Fox > NOISE channel! > I too like to hear both sides, and make up my own mind. > Today, that is=20 > dangerous... if there is one thing the government fears > worse than an alien invasion, it's us thinking for > ourselves! > Ever notice all the people who defend the current quagmire > have all their bills paid, a roof over their head, and gas > in their car? Yeah, they may be in debt, but at least they > are pretty sure where their next meal is coming from. > I used to have a ministry with the homeless folk in Mt. > Clemens, MI. where I and a couple friends would buy a few > pizzas and go down to the riverbank and share them, and just > sit and talk with these people. > Common image of these folks is only PARTLY right...yes, > some are drug users, or too lazy to work, but we also met > very intellegent people > who had lost it all, and only wanted a chance to do an > honest day's work and earn their keep. But who is going > to hire them? Who is going to let them use their shower to > get presentable for a job interview? WHEN is a talk show > host with a roving microphone going to get THESE > PEOPLE'S take on the current affairs? My guess is > never!!! Why do I give a damn? 2 reasons: (1) it is hard not > to have compassion once you get to know some of these folks, > and (2) > THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD GO I!!!] > If things don't turn around and pretty damn fast, a lot > of people who are convinced that the system is fine are in > for a very painful discovery. > When it is THEIR turn out in the cold, and nobody will hire > them, I bet they will be singing a whole new tune! > George >=20 >=20 > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, clemsonbloke yahoo.co. uk> wrote: >=20 > > From: clemsonbloke > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:50 AM > > I just graduated my degree in broadcasting and we > studied > > this.=A0 Many people get the Fairness Doctrine > wrongly.=A0 It > > was basically designed to insure that both sides of a > story > > were presented such as democrats and republicans would > get > > equal time to present their ideas.=A0 Very unlike what > we > > have today where everything is dominated by republican > > cronies of the bush administration.=A0 I truly believe > that > > any news or radio organization for that matter is only > worth > > its salt if it provides both sides equally.=A0 I > don't > > believe all the hot air these republicans spew but I > DO want > > to hear them and what they have to say.=A0 I would be > against > > an all democrat run operation too.=A0 I want both > sides.=A0 I > > am educated enough to make up my own mind.=A0 I > don't > > need that one lop sided crap that we have today on > > republican crony radio.=A0 Fox news fair and balanced, > yeah > > right!=A0 They are fair and balanced=A0 conservative and > > republican, thats the two sides you get from > > those people.=A0 Anyone republican or democrat who > wants to > > hear things one sided are just not well informed, > educated, > > or open minded=A0for that matter.=A0 I believe our whole > > system is based on checks and balances and I believe > the > > fairness doctrine as I studied it in college provided > that > > checks and balances system.=A0 I think we need more of > > that.=A0 From what I can tell its only republican folks > who > > dominate talk radio that do not want the fairness > doctrine > > reinstated.=A0 Wonder why?=A0 Does it ever make you > think?=A0 > > We've talked about local small town radio.=A0 Well > there > > was tons more of that in the days of the fairness > doctrine > > than there are now.=A0 You ever wonder why?=A0 Do you > not > > think rich corporate america wants to control the > > airwaves?=A0 You see they are being controlled now by > one > > side.=A0 Rich corporate republican types who do not > care for > > the working man.=A0 Sure they wanted the fairness > doctrine > > taken away, that way they could spew their one > > sided views on everything.=A0 They could buy up all the > > stations and the hell with any other views, they > didn't > > have to present them once the fairness doctrine was > taken > > away.=A0 Too many people don't understand this.=A0 > > It's simple.=A0 It was placed so that both sides > could be > > heard equally.=A0 I remember growing up when it was in > > place.=A0 I used to like hearing both sides.=A0 To me > its sad > > that we don't get both sides now.=A0 Think folks! > > =A0 > > -Kevin > >=20 > >=20 > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, W6YN Don Milbury > > > wrote: > >=20 > > From: W6YN Don Milbury > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 5:03 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Regulating speech in order to alter its content is > exactly > > the sort of meddling that the First Amendment is meant > to > > prohibit. > >=20 > > Should the fairness doctrine be reinstated, the > possibility > > of a challenge even if the challenge ultimately > failed, the > > cost of defending against it could be substantial to > the > > extent that I would cancel all talk programming from > my > > stations. I don't know what available programming > would > > attract the demographic audience that my customers > demand. > > It just may mean that my investment value could be > radically > > diminished and a distressed property sale may be the > result. > > Fortunately I purchased these sticks as > "distressed > > property" in the mid 80's so I may not suffer > much > > of a loss. It's time for me to retire anyway.=20 > >=20 > > Policy discussion on the airwaves for decades was, for > the > > most part, as bland as cottage cheese. In practice, > the > > so-called fairness doctrine was deeply unfair. > >=20 > > Restricting free speech and government controls on > media > > content is anathema to our constitutional guarantees > of free > > speech. Stalinists, of course, do not agree. > >=20 > > History always proves them wrong: > >=20 > > "Our massive strategy was to use the Fairness > Doctrine > > to challenge and harass right-wing broadcasters and > hope the > > challenges would be so costly to them that they would > be > > inhibited and decide it was too expensive to > continue." > >=20 > > --Bill Ruder, Democratic campaign consultant and > Assistant > > Secretary of Commerce, Kennedy Administration[ 1] > >=20 > > "The main thing is the Post is going to have > damnable, > > damnable problems out of [its Watergate coverage]. > They have > > a television station...and they are going to have to > get it > > renewed." > >=20 > > --President Richard Nixon[2] > >=20 > > Should the federal government mandate > "fairness" > > in broadcasting? "Yes," say some Members of > > Congress, including Speaker of the House Nancy Pols, > who > > reportedly said this week that House leaders would > > "aggressively pursue" legislation to > reinstate the > > "Fairness Doctrine."[3] Until it was > abolished in > > 1987, this Federal Communications Commission rule > required > > broadcasters to air all sides of controversial issues. > >=20 > > At first glance, the rule may sound innocuous. > Fairness is, > > after all, a basic American value. But as a matter of > > principle, any such government controls on media > content is > > anathema to constitutional guarantees of free speech. > And in > > practice, the so-called fairness doctrine was deeply > unfair. > >=20 > > Dulling Down Broadcasting > >=20 > > Rather than foster full and fair discussion of public > > issues, the real effect of the Fairness Doctrine was > to > > discourage discussion of controversial issues of any > kind. > > It's no coincidence that such media as talk > > radio--virtually non-existent while the rule was in > > place--flowered after its repeal. Rather than the vast > > wasteland of bland muzak-like discussion it was > before, > > broadcasting- - especially radio--has become a > platform for > > vibrant and controversial debate on countless issues. > >=20 > > The Fairness Doctrine was developed by the FCC over a > long > > period, based on its broad authority under the > > Communications Act to regulate the airwaves. The rule > was > > first articulated in 1949, when television was in its > > infancy and radio meant a handful of AM stations in > each > > market. In its final form, the rule required > broadcasters to > > "afford reasonable opportunity for discussion of > > contrasting points of view on controversial matters of > > public importance." [4] > >=20 > > The vagueness of the standard left quite a bit of > > uncertainty. What is a "reasonable" > opportunity? > > How many "contrasting" views? Station > managers > > whose programming ventured too far into controversial > > subjects could quite easily find themselves subject to > a > > fairness doctrine challenge. And even if the challenge > > ultimately failed, the cost of defending against it > could be > > substantial. So the safe route for most was to stay > far away > > from controversy. As a result, policy discussion on > the > > airwaves for decades was, for the most part, as bland > as > > cottage cheese. > >=20 > > Political Abuse > >=20 > > This "chilling" effect was exacerbated by > > political abuse of the system. Politicians of both > parties > > used the doctrine to further their political ends. > Political > > strategists for Kennedy and Johnson, for example, > > consciously used the Fairness Doctrine to cow > political > > opponents. According to statements from party > activists, > > there was an explicit strategy to raise the cost of > critical > > programming, and thus get it dropped entirely. > > "Perhaps...our tactics were too aggressive," > one > > party operative is quoted as saying, "but we were > up > > against ultra-right preachers who were saying vicious > things > > about Kennedy and Johnson."[5] > >=20 > > The political use of the Fairness Doctrine was brought > to > > new heights by President Richard Nixon. According to > Jesse > > Walker of Reason magazine, "private activists > directed > > by the Republican National Committee regularly filed > > Fairness Doctrine challenges against stations whose > > reporting angered the White House."[6] > >=20 > > Demise of the Fairness Doctrine > >=20 > > The constitutionality of the Fairness Doctrine was > > challenged in the 1969 case Red Lion v. FCC[7], > involving a > > religious broadcaster who was fined by the FCC for not > > providing a person criticized on the air an > opportunity to > > reply. The Supreme Court upheld the rule, reasoning > that > > because broadcast frequencies were scarce, the > government > > may intervene in broadcast media in ways that would > not be > > allowed toward traditional media, such as newspapers. > >=20 > > The decision in Red Lion, however, has been subject to > > intense criticism.[8] And in 1987, the FCC rescinded > the > > Fairness Doctrine, finding it to be contrary to the > > Constitution as well as bad policy.[9] In its landmark > > decision, the Commission wrote: > >=20 > > We believe that the role of the electronic press in > our > > society is the same as that of the printed press. Both > are > > sources of information and viewpoint. Accordingly, the > > reasons for proscribing government intrusion into the > > editorial discretion of print journalists provide the > same > > basis for proscribing such interference into the > editorial > > discretion of broadcast journalists. [10] > >=20 > > The FCC's decision to rescind the doctrine was > later > > upheld by a federal appeals court. In so doing, > however, the > > court did not pass judgment on the constitutionality > of the > > rule and instead relied on the FCC's policy > findings > > that it did not serve the public interest.[11] > >=20 > > Red Lion is still formally in place. But in years > since, > > the basic "spectrum scarcity" rationale of > Red > > Lion (and thus the constitutionality of fairness > rules) has > > become ever weaker. Not only have new broadcast > frequencies- > > -such as the UHF television and FM radio bands--been > put > > into use, but entirely new systems such as cable TV > and > > satellite radio have been created, offering consumers > > hundreds of channels when before they only had a > > handful.[12] And the Internet has made notions of > scarcity > > almost meaningless. [13] > >=20 > > At the same time, broadcasters- -especially radio > > broadcasters- -became much more willing to air > controversial > > points of view, in large part because of the repeal of > the > > FCC's fairness rule. Most notably, talk radio, > which had > > been a relatively rare format, exploded in scope and > > popularity. In 1990, there were some 400 stations with > a > > talk show format nationwide. By 2006, there were more > than > > 1,400 stations devoted entirely to talk formats.[14] > > Programming shed its cottage cheese-like character, as > > controversial new hosts, such as Rush Limbaugh, gained > > airtime and the freedom to express strong opinions and > views > > without fear of regulatory reprisal. According to the > > Project for Excellence in Journalism: > >=20 > > With the [Fairness] Doctrine's repeal, radio shows > > could become more one-sided, more free-wheeling, > ideological > > and political. And it didn't take long. One of the > first > > to gain popularity under the new rules was a new voice > out > > of California named Rush Limbaugh. Within a year or > two of > > the new rules, Limbaugh's provocative > denunciations of > > Democrats became a phenomenon. Stations quickly began > to > > pick up his syndicated show, and other conservative > names > > followed his lead. Being controversial seemed a > plus.[15] > >=20 > > Not all the changes, of course, were due to the > Fairness > > Doctrine repeal. Other factors, such as the rise of FM > > radio, were at work. But, as documented by economists > Thomas > > Hazlett and David W. Sosa, the regulatory change had a > > substantial causal effect.[16] > >=20 > > Government-Enforced "Balance" > >=20 > > Many supporters of the Fairness Doctrine are concerned > > about this explosion of information because they see > it as > > the wrong kind of information. Many are frankly > concerned > > about the amount of "conservative" > programming, > > especially in talk radio, and would like to see a > different > > balance. > >=20 > > Certainly, conservative- oriented talk radio has been > more > > successful than left-leaning radio programming. But > > broadcasting is only one small part of today's > media > > universe, which includes not just radio and television > > broadcasting but print, cable, and Internet sources. > > Conservatives have had no lock on opportunities, even > in > > radio. Programming with a liberal bent, from Mario > > Cuomo's show to Air America, has been given > > opportunities and will get more. > >=20 > > Moreover, arguments that the Fairness Doctrine is > needed > > because certain types of media are too conservative, > too > > negative, too partisan, or too anything actually > strengthen > > the case against the regulation. Any law that is > targeted at > > media based on the content of what is being said > raises > > greater constitutional concerns and is much less > likely to > > pass constitutional muster--and for good reason. > Regulating > > speech in order to alter its content is exactly the > sort of > > meddling that the First Amendment is meant to > prohibit. It > > is simply not the job of politicians to > "correct" > > the mix of opinions being expressed in the marketplace > of > > ideas, even if--and especially if--they disagree with > those > > opinions. > >=20 > > Conclusion > >=20 > > The Federal Communications Commission did the right > thing > > 20 years ago in throwing this unnecessary, > > counter-productive, and unwise restriction on speech > into > > the regulatory dustbin. It should be left there. To do > > otherwise would be dangerous and obviously > unconstitutional. > >=20 > > [1]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free > > Speech," The American Conservative, April 23, > 2007, at > > http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ article3. > html. > >=20 > > [2]Quoted in Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, > > "Chilling the Internet? Lessons from FCC > Regulation of > > Radio Broadcasting, " Cato Institute Policy > Analysis > > No. 270, March 19, 1997. > >=20 > > [3]See "Her Royal Fairness, The American > Spectator, > > May 14, 2007, at http://www.spectato r.org/dsp_ > article.asp? > > art_id=3D11427. > >=20 > > [4]For general background on the development of the > rule, > > see Museum of Broadcast Communications, "Fairness > > Doctrine" at http://www.museum. tv/archives/ > > etv/F/htmlF/ fairnessdoct/ fairnessdoct. htm. > >=20 > > [5]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free > > Speech," The American Conservative, April 23, > 2007, at > > http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ article3. > html. > >=20 > > [6]Ibid. > >=20 > > [7]Red Lion v. FCC, 395 U.S. 367 (1969). > >=20 > > [8]See, e.g.., William Van Alstyne, The Mobius Strip > of the > > First Amendment: Perspectives on Red Lion, 29 S. > Carolina. > > L. Rev. 539, 547-48 (1978) (listing many of the > leading > > articles in the first decade after the decision) at > > http://eprints. law.duke. edu/archive/ 00000564/ > 01/29_S._ > > C._L._Rev. _539_(1978-1979) . pdf. > >=20 > > [9]The agency had originally declined to consider the > > question of whether the rule was constitutional. In > early > > 1987, however, a federal court held that the FCC could > not > > enforce the doctrine unless it considered the > constitutional > > objections. Meredith v. FCC, 809 F. 2d 863 (1987). > >=20 > > [10]Syracuse Peace Council, 2 FCC Reports 5043 (1987). > >=20 > > [11]Syracuse Peace Council, 867 F. 2d 654 (D.C. Cir. > > (1989)). > >=20 > > [12]Many believe that due to these developments, > combined > > with the longstanding legal criticism of the Red Lion > case, > > were it to be reconsidered today, it would be decided > > differently. A study published two years ago by the > FCC > > itself makes this case convincingly. See, John W. > > Berresford, "The Scarcity Rationale for > Regulating > > Traditional Broadcasting: An Idea Whose Time Has > > Passed," FCC Media Bureau Staff Research Paper, > March > > 2005, at http://hraunfoss. fcc.gov/edocs_ > public/attachmat > > ch/DOC-257534A1. pdf. > >=20 > > [13]See Adam D. Thierer, "The Media > Cornucopia," > > City Journal, Spring 2007, at http://www.city- > journal.org/ > > html/17_2_ media.html. > >=20 > > [14]Project on Excellence in Journalism, "The > State of > > the News Media 2007: An Annual Report on American > > Journalism, Talk Radio page, at http://www.stateoft > > henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ radio_talk_ > radio.asp? > > cat=3D8&media=3D 9. > >=20 > > [15]Project on Excellence in Journalism, "The > State of > > the News Media 2007: An Annual Report on American > > Journalism, Talk Radio page, at http://www.stateoft > > henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ radio_talk_ > radio.asp? > > cat=3D8&media=3D 9. > >=20 > > [16]Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, "Was the > > Fairness Doctrine a "Chilling Effect? Evidence > from the > > Post-deregulation Radio Market," 26 Journal of > Legal > > Studies 279 (1997). > >=20 > > Don > >=20 > > -- "Amy Mousie" > > wrote: > >=20 > > This is proof positive that the abolition of the > Fairness > > Doctrine was > > a Bad Idea-- > >=20 > > I can prove there are actually FEWER talk radio > stations > > today, > > without the Fairness Doctrine than there were with: > Just > > eliminate all > > the bird-fed takers ands see how many are left. > Chances > > are, MUCH > > fewer than when the Fairness Doctrine was abolished. > >=20 > > Now, tell me- Was that a good thing? Did it REALLY > improve > > diversity > > of voices and ownership to abolish the Fairness > Doctrine? I > > don't > > think it was, just as much as letting the RIAA have > free > > reign over > > royalty fees that have driven many statiuons from > > broadcasting > > anything beyond bird-fed programming. > >=20 > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, george russell > > wrote: > > > > > > Yup, the "cookie-cutter" programs. One > night > > I sat in Durand, MI, > > scanned > > > the dial, and found 11 stations carrying C2C, and > over > > a dozen > > carrying ESPN...with a lousy car radio! My stomach > nearly > > empties, > > too! G=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 12:44:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64044 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 19:44:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 19:44:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 19:44:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 19:44:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 19:44:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:44:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 118.90.121.45 From: "alnairgrus" Subject: amstereoforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915; y=tsF7bQ6lNlHciZfMi83zvhcRfqGE9sO2e79RXas_CRFz1zuLwQ X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Too much OT politics.BORING! From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 12:46:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65146 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 19:46:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 19:46:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 19:46:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37856 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 19:46:06 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:46:06 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:46:06 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <783413.12530.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <248772.37641.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=-qozFrgHZIm8uNBjrkfY74y40pzTGNSo3ppJY8eguyq88HeB_Hta X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh I don't plan on letting anyone steal that from me!=A0 I really don't car= e what people think about it!=A0 Thats one thing that has never changed abo= ut me, i've always said what I thought whether someone liked it or not! =A0 -Kevin --- On Tue, 8/5/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:43 PM Bullseye! And as far as the working man goes, what will happen when we have= ALL been replaced? Will the "chosen few", out of the kindness of their hea= rts, provide for us like a bunch of pets? Not likely! That is when you will see serious efforts at "population engineering" start to take place. It's already been discussed in high places.=20 It may not happen in my lifetime, but it breaks my heart thinking about wha= t our kids are going to have to deal with...God help them! Keep on thinking for yourself, Kevin! Some will not like it, but it is the = last thing the powerful haven't figured out a way to steal from you! George --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:40 AM > George, > =A0 > My father is a minister!=A0 Ha!=A0 A minister i'm not but > I do believe in the things this country was founded on, not > the modern version of this revisionist history.=A0 I champion > the working man.=A0 It's scary when a few billionaires > run things!=A0 This is what i've been > "preaching" for a long time to close friends.=A0 We > are losing our country to this sick malaise we are currently > under.=A0 As I said I lean more democrat but that doesn't > mean i'm a total lock stock and barrel democrat.=A0 > I'm more a person who listens to both sides then makes > up his mind.=A0 I don't agree with everything the > democrats do.=A0 For one they need to support offshore > drilling for the short term but I still believe long term we > need to look at alternate fuels.=A0 In college it was > explained and taught to us that the US has enough oil that > we could survive for perhaps 200 years without any help from > outside oil sources.=A0 That is WAY more than enough time to > have researchers figuring > out a new alternate source of energy.=A0 They should > approach it as we did the space program in the 1960's.=A0 > A large effort of the best scientists and researchers and > put the money towards it.=A0 Thats our best hope energy > wise.=A0 People in the US are starving and we run off and > feed the rest of the world.=A0 While I support helping lesser > nations I still think we should take care of our own.=A0 > There is absolutely NO reason anyone in this country should > go without food or shelter.=A0 Those who think so have more > money than sense.=A0 Lets not stray too far from topic > though.=A0 I just wanted to show i'm not a total dem lock > stock and barrel.=A0 If I were I wouldnt support offshore > drilling because I would think that somehow that was going > to hurt the earth so much!=A0 Gee!=A0 Those people are nuts > that think like that!=A0 Back to fairness doctrine and lord > i'm rehashing so I wont say much but I think we do need > to get back to it.=A0 As I stated earlier just look > how things are so much more controlled now.=A0=20 > =A0 > -Kevin > =A0 >=20 > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, george russell > wrote: >=20 > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:54 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Kevin, if you ever become a preacher, I'll stuff the > offering plate! > That pretty well sums up what I and a LOT of folks I know > believe. > BTW, it's not the Fox NEWS channel...it' s the Fox > NOISE channel! > I too like to hear both sides, and make up my own mind. > Today, that is=20 > dangerous... if there is one thing the government fears > worse than an alien invasion, it's us thinking for > ourselves! > Ever notice all the people who defend the current quagmire > have all their bills paid, a roof over their head, and gas > in their car? Yeah, they may be in debt, but at least they > are pretty sure where their next meal is coming from. > I used to have a ministry with the homeless folk in Mt. > Clemens, MI. where I and a couple friends would buy a few > pizzas and go down to the riverbank and share them, and just > sit and talk with these people. > Common image of these folks is only PARTLY right...yes, > some are drug users, or too lazy to work, but we also met > very intellegent people > who had lost it all, and only wanted a chance to do an > honest day's work and earn their keep. But who is going > to hire them? Who is going to let them use their shower to > get presentable for a job interview? WHEN is a talk show > host with a roving microphone going to get THESE > PEOPLE'S take on the current affairs? My guess is > never!!! Why do I give a damn? 2 reasons: (1) it is hard not > to have compassion once you get to know some of these folks, > and (2) > THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD GO I!!!] > If things don't turn around and pretty damn fast, a lot > of people who are convinced that the system is fine are in > for a very painful discovery. > When it is THEIR turn out in the cold, and nobody will hire > them, I bet they will be singing a whole new tune! > George >=20 >=20 > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, clemsonbloke yahoo.co. uk> wrote: >=20 > > From: clemsonbloke > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:50 AM > > I just graduated my degree in broadcasting and we > studied > > this.=A0 Many people get the Fairness Doctrine > wrongly.=A0 It > > was basically designed to insure that both sides of a > story > > were presented such as democrats and republicans would > get > > equal time to present their ideas.=A0 Very unlike what > we > > have today where everything is dominated by republican > > cronies of the bush administration.=A0 I truly believe > that > > any news or radio organization for that matter is only > worth > > its salt if it provides both sides equally.=A0 I > don't > > believe all the hot air these republicans spew but I > DO want > > to hear them and what they have to say.=A0 I would be > against > > an all democrat run operation too.=A0 I want both > sides.=A0 I > > am educated enough to make up my own mind.=A0 I > don't > > need that one lop sided crap that we have today on > > republican crony radio.=A0 Fox news fair and balanced, > yeah > > right!=A0 They are fair and balanced=A0 conservative and > > republican, thats the two sides you get from > > those people.=A0 Anyone republican or democrat who > wants to > > hear things one sided are just not well informed, > educated, > > or open minded=A0for that matter.=A0 I believe our whole > > system is based on checks and balances and I believe > the > > fairness doctrine as I studied it in college provided > that > > checks and balances system.=A0 I think we need more of > > that.=A0 From what I can tell its only republican folks > who > > dominate talk radio that do not want the fairness > doctrine > > reinstated.=A0 Wonder why?=A0 Does it ever make you > think?=A0 > > We've talked about local small town radio.=A0 Well > there > > was tons more of that in the days of the fairness > doctrine > > than there are now.=A0 You ever wonder why?=A0 Do you > not > > think rich corporate america wants to control the > > airwaves?=A0 You see they are being controlled now by > one > > side.=A0 Rich corporate republican types who do not > care for > > the working man.=A0 Sure they wanted the fairness > doctrine > > taken away, that way they could spew their one > > sided views on everything.=A0 They could buy up all the > > stations and the hell with any other views, they > didn't > > have to present them once the fairness doctrine was > taken > > away.=A0 Too many people don't understand this.=A0 > > It's simple.=A0 It was placed so that both sides > could be > > heard equally.=A0 I remember growing up when it was in > > place.=A0 I used to like hearing both sides.=A0 To me > its sad > > that we don't get both sides now.=A0 Think folks! > > =A0 > > -Kevin > >=20 > >=20 > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, W6YN Don Milbury > > > wrote: > >=20 > > From: W6YN Don Milbury > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 5:03 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Regulating speech in order to alter its content is > exactly > > the sort of meddling that the First Amendment is meant > to > > prohibit. > >=20 > > Should the fairness doctrine be reinstated, the > possibility > > of a challenge even if the challenge ultimately > failed, the > > cost of defending against it could be substantial to > the > > extent that I would cancel all talk programming from > my > > stations. I don't know what available programming > would > > attract the demographic audience that my customers > demand. > > It just may mean that my investment value could be > radically > > diminished and a distressed property sale may be the > result. > > Fortunately I purchased these sticks as > "distressed > > property" in the mid 80's so I may not suffer > much > > of a loss. It's time for me to retire anyway.=20 > >=20 > > Policy discussion on the airwaves for decades was, for > the > > most part, as bland as cottage cheese. In practice, > the > > so-called fairness doctrine was deeply unfair. > >=20 > > Restricting free speech and government controls on > media > > content is anathema to our constitutional guarantees > of free > > speech. Stalinists, of course, do not agree. > >=20 > > History always proves them wrong: > >=20 > > "Our massive strategy was to use the Fairness > Doctrine > > to challenge and harass right-wing broadcasters and > hope the > > challenges would be so costly to them that they would > be > > inhibited and decide it was too expensive to > continue." > >=20 > > --Bill Ruder, Democratic campaign consultant and > Assistant > > Secretary of Commerce, Kennedy Administration[ 1] > >=20 > > "The main thing is the Post is going to have > damnable, > > damnable problems out of [its Watergate coverage]. > They have > > a television station...and they are going to have to > get it > > renewed." > >=20 > > --President Richard Nixon[2] > >=20 > > Should the federal government mandate > "fairness" > > in broadcasting? "Yes," say some Members of > > Congress, including Speaker of the House Nancy Pols, > who > > reportedly said this week that House leaders would > > "aggressively pursue" legislation to > reinstate the > > "Fairness Doctrine."[3] Until it was > abolished in > > 1987, this Federal Communications Commission rule > required > > broadcasters to air all sides of controversial issues. > >=20 > > At first glance, the rule may sound innocuous. > Fairness is, > > after all, a basic American value. But as a matter of > > principle, any such government controls on media > content is > > anathema to constitutional guarantees of free speech. > And in > > practice, the so-called fairness doctrine was deeply > unfair. > >=20 > > Dulling Down Broadcasting > >=20 > > Rather than foster full and fair discussion of public > > issues, the real effect of the Fairness Doctrine was > to > > discourage discussion of controversial issues of any > kind. > > It's no coincidence that such media as talk > > radio--virtually non-existent while the rule was in > > place--flowered after its repeal. Rather than the vast > > wasteland of bland muzak-like discussion it was > before, > > broadcasting- - especially radio--has become a > platform for > > vibrant and controversial debate on countless issues. > >=20 > > The Fairness Doctrine was developed by the FCC over a > long > > period, based on its broad authority under the > > Communications Act to regulate the airwaves. The rule > was > > first articulated in 1949, when television was in its > > infancy and radio meant a handful of AM stations in > each > > market. In its final form, the rule required > broadcasters to > > "afford reasonable opportunity for discussion of > > contrasting points of view on controversial matters of > > public importance." [4] > >=20 > > The vagueness of the standard left quite a bit of > > uncertainty. What is a "reasonable" > opportunity? > > How many "contrasting" views? Station > managers > > whose programming ventured too far into controversial > > subjects could quite easily find themselves subject to > a > > fairness doctrine challenge. And even if the challenge > > ultimately failed, the cost of defending against it > could be > > substantial. So the safe route for most was to stay > far away > > from controversy. As a result, policy discussion on > the > > airwaves for decades was, for the most part, as bland > as > > cottage cheese. > >=20 > > Political Abuse > >=20 > > This "chilling" effect was exacerbated by > > political abuse of the system. Politicians of both > parties > > used the doctrine to further their political ends. > Political > > strategists for Kennedy and Johnson, for example, > > consciously used the Fairness Doctrine to cow > political > > opponents. According to statements from party > activists, > > there was an explicit strategy to raise the cost of > critical > > programming, and thus get it dropped entirely. > > "Perhaps...our tactics were too aggressive," > one > > party operative is quoted as saying, "but we were > up > > against ultra-right preachers who were saying vicious > things > > about Kennedy and Johnson."[5] > >=20 > > The political use of the Fairness Doctrine was brought > to > > new heights by President Richard Nixon. According to > Jesse > > Walker of Reason magazine, "private activists > directed > > by the Republican National Committee regularly filed > > Fairness Doctrine challenges against stations whose > > reporting angered the White House."[6] > >=20 > > Demise of the Fairness Doctrine > >=20 > > The constitutionality of the Fairness Doctrine was > > challenged in the 1969 case Red Lion v. FCC[7], > involving a > > religious broadcaster who was fined by the FCC for not > > providing a person criticized on the air an > opportunity to > > reply. The Supreme Court upheld the rule, reasoning > that > > because broadcast frequencies were scarce, the > government > > may intervene in broadcast media in ways that would > not be > > allowed toward traditional media, such as newspapers. > >=20 > > The decision in Red Lion, however, has been subject to > > intense criticism.[8] And in 1987, the FCC rescinded > the > > Fairness Doctrine, finding it to be contrary to the > > Constitution as well as bad policy.[9] In its landmark > > decision, the Commission wrote: > >=20 > > We believe that the role of the electronic press in > our > > society is the same as that of the printed press. Both > are > > sources of information and viewpoint. Accordingly, the > > reasons for proscribing government intrusion into the > > editorial discretion of print journalists provide the > same > > basis for proscribing such interference into the > editorial > > discretion of broadcast journalists. [10] > >=20 > > The FCC's decision to rescind the doctrine was > later > > upheld by a federal appeals court. In so doing, > however, the > > court did not pass judgment on the constitutionality > of the > > rule and instead relied on the FCC's policy > findings > > that it did not serve the public interest.[11] > >=20 > > Red Lion is still formally in place. But in years > since, > > the basic "spectrum scarcity" rationale of > Red > > Lion (and thus the constitutionality of fairness > rules) has > > become ever weaker. Not only have new broadcast > frequencies- > > -such as the UHF television and FM radio bands--been > put > > into use, but entirely new systems such as cable TV > and > > satellite radio have been created, offering consumers > > hundreds of channels when before they only had a > > handful.[12] And the Internet has made notions of > scarcity > > almost meaningless. [13] > >=20 > > At the same time, broadcasters- -especially radio > > broadcasters- -became much more willing to air > controversial > > points of view, in large part because of the repeal of > the > > FCC's fairness rule. Most notably, talk radio, > which had > > been a relatively rare format, exploded in scope and > > popularity. In 1990, there were some 400 stations with > a > > talk show format nationwide. By 2006, there were more > than > > 1,400 stations devoted entirely to talk formats.[14] > > Programming shed its cottage cheese-like character, as > > controversial new hosts, such as Rush Limbaugh, gained > > airtime and the freedom to express strong opinions and > views > > without fear of regulatory reprisal. According to the > > Project for Excellence in Journalism: > >=20 > > With the [Fairness] Doctrine's repeal, radio shows > > could become more one-sided, more free-wheeling, > ideological > > and political. And it didn't take long. One of the > first > > to gain popularity under the new rules was a new voice > out > > of California named Rush Limbaugh. Within a year or > two of > > the new rules, Limbaugh's provocative > denunciations of > > Democrats became a phenomenon. Stations quickly began > to > > pick up his syndicated show, and other conservative > names > > followed his lead. Being controversial seemed a > plus.[15] > >=20 > > Not all the changes, of course, were due to the > Fairness > > Doctrine repeal. Other factors, such as the rise of FM > > radio, were at work. But, as documented by economists > Thomas > > Hazlett and David W. Sosa, the regulatory change had a > > substantial causal effect.[16] > >=20 > > Government-Enforced "Balance" > >=20 > > Many supporters of the Fairness Doctrine are concerned > > about this explosion of information because they see > it as > > the wrong kind of information. Many are frankly > concerned > > about the amount of "conservative" > programming, > > especially in talk radio, and would like to see a > different > > balance. > >=20 > > Certainly, conservative- oriented talk radio has been > more > > successful than left-leaning radio programming. But > > broadcasting is only one small part of today's > media > > universe, which includes not just radio and television > > broadcasting but print, cable, and Internet sources. > > Conservatives have had no lock on opportunities, even > in > > radio. Programming with a liberal bent, from Mario > > Cuomo's show to Air America, has been given > > opportunities and will get more. > >=20 > > Moreover, arguments that the Fairness Doctrine is > needed > > because certain types of media are too conservative, > too > > negative, too partisan, or too anything actually > strengthen > > the case against the regulation. Any law that is > targeted at > > media based on the content of what is being said > raises > > greater constitutional concerns and is much less > likely to > > pass constitutional muster--and for good reason. > Regulating > > speech in order to alter its content is exactly the > sort of > > meddling that the First Amendment is meant to > prohibit. It > > is simply not the job of politicians to > "correct" > > the mix of opinions being expressed in the marketplace > of > > ideas, even if--and especially if--they disagree with > those > > opinions. > >=20 > > Conclusion > >=20 > > The Federal Communications Commission did the right > thing > > 20 years ago in throwing this unnecessary, > > counter-productive, and unwise restriction on speech > into > > the regulatory dustbin. It should be left there. To do > > otherwise would be dangerous and obviously > unconstitutional. > >=20 > > [1]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free > > Speech," The American Conservative, April 23, > 2007, at > > http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ article3. > html. > >=20 > > [2]Quoted in Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, > > "Chilling the Internet? Lessons from FCC > Regulation of > > Radio Broadcasting, " Cato Institute Policy > Analysis > > No. 270, March 19, 1997. > >=20 > > [3]See "Her Royal Fairness, The American > Spectator, > > May 14, 2007, at http://www.spectato r.org/dsp_ > article.asp? > > art_id=3D11427. > >=20 > > [4]For general background on the development of the > rule, > > see Museum of Broadcast Communications, "Fairness > > Doctrine" at http://www.museum. tv/archives/ > > etv/F/htmlF/ fairnessdoct/ fairnessdoct. htm. > >=20 > > [5]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free > > Speech," The American Conservative, April 23, > 2007, at > > http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ article3. > html. > >=20 > > [6]Ibid. > >=20 > > [7]Red Lion v. FCC, 395 U.S. 367 (1969). > >=20 > > [8]See, e.g.., William Van Alstyne, The Mobius Strip > of the > > First Amendment: Perspectives on Red Lion, 29 S. > Carolina. > > L. Rev. 539, 547-48 (1978) (listing many of the > leading > > articles in the first decade after the decision) at > > http://eprints. law.duke. edu/archive/ 00000564/ > 01/29_S._ > > C._L._Rev. _539_(1978-1979) . pdf. > >=20 > > [9]The agency had originally declined to consider the > > question of whether the rule was constitutional. In > early > > 1987, however, a federal court held that the FCC could > not > > enforce the doctrine unless it considered the > constitutional > > objections. Meredith v. FCC, 809 F. 2d 863 (1987). > >=20 > > [10]Syracuse Peace Council, 2 FCC Reports 5043 (1987). > >=20 > > [11]Syracuse Peace Council, 867 F. 2d 654 (D.C. Cir. > > (1989)). > >=20 > > [12]Many believe that due to these developments, > combined > > with the longstanding legal criticism of the Red Lion > case, > > were it to be reconsidered today, it would be decided > > differently. A study published two years ago by the > FCC > > itself makes this case convincingly. See, John W. > > Berresford, "The Scarcity Rationale for > Regulating > > Traditional Broadcasting: An Idea Whose Time Has > > Passed," FCC Media Bureau Staff Research Paper, > March > > 2005, at http://hraunfoss. fcc.gov/edocs_ > public/attachmat > > ch/DOC-257534A1. pdf. > >=20 > > [13]See Adam D. Thierer, "The Media > Cornucopia," > > City Journal, Spring 2007, at http://www.city- > journal.org/ > > html/17_2_ media.html. > >=20 > > [14]Project on Excellence in Journalism, "The > State of > > the News Media 2007: An Annual Report on American > > Journalism, Talk Radio page, at http://www.stateoft > > henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ radio_talk_ > radio.asp? > > cat=3D8&media=3D 9. > >=20 > > [15]Project on Excellence in Journalism, "The > State of > > the News Media 2007: An Annual Report on American > > Journalism, Talk Radio page, at http://www.stateoft > > henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ radio_talk_ > radio.asp? > > cat=3D8&media=3D 9. > >=20 > > [16]Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, "Was the > > Fairness Doctrine a "Chilling Effect? Evidence > from the > > Post-deregulation Radio Market," 26 Journal of > Legal > > Studies 279 (1997). > >=20 > > Don > >=20 > > -- "Amy Mousie" > > wrote: > >=20 > > This is proof positive that the abolition of the > Fairness > > Doctrine was > > a Bad Idea-- > >=20 > > I can prove there are actually FEWER talk radio > stations > > today, > > without the Fairness Doctrine than there were with: > Just > > eliminate all > > the bird-fed takers ands see how many are left. > Chances > > are, MUCH > > fewer than when the Fairness Doctrine was abolished. > >=20 > > Now, tell me- Was that a good thing? Did it REALLY > improve > > diversity > > of voices and ownership to abolish the Fairness > Doctrine? I > > don't > > think it was, just as much as letting the RIAA have > free > > reign over > > royalty fees that have driven many statiuons from > > broadcasting > > anything beyond bird-fed programming. > >=20 > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, george russell > > wrote: > > > > > > Yup, the "cookie-cutter" programs. One > night > > I sat in Durand, MI, > > scanned > > > the dial, and found 11 stations carrying C2C, and > over > > a dozen > > carrying ESPN...with a lousy car radio! My stomach > nearly > > empties, > > too! G=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 12:47:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43632 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 19:47:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 19:47:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 19:47:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24028 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 19:47:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:47:44 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:47:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <336539.36731.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <484622.23734.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Rvr2jfUdAzCJorOQzIc8T4G3qZMbS79Jl4d65LccrHCW7w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 You maybe mean Ed Schultz? He can get really fired up sometimes, and he DO= ES make sense. G --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 4:01 AM > Yeah I think that was Air Americas problem was they came out > swinging too hard too fast.=A0 I mean I can understand though > because that view had so long been supressed on radio.=A0 I > think though they could have done democrats more justice by > being educated, well read, and speaking with authority but > not disrespect.=A0 I have to say though, that guy on Air > America from Atlanta, heck I can't remember his name but > he was hilarious when he was rippin bush a new asshole one > night.=A0 I never laughed so hard in my life.=A0 That was good > radio! > =A0 > -Kevin >=20 > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, george russell > wrote: >=20 > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 6:14 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > It is in Detroit, too, Kevin. Our only station that > isn't pegged to the right end of the spectrum has Air > America...but come on, how effective is THAT? Fire the > talkers who are too busy joking to get down to serious > matters, and put somebody articulate like you or I behind > the mike! > There are no sacred cows in my view, the truth isn't > always pleasant, but it should always be told, and proof > given. (OK, Thom Hartmann is a good start, I guess) > G >=20 > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, kevin redding com> wrote: >=20 > > From: kevin redding > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:54 AM > > On Aug 4, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Richard Wagoner wrote: > >=20 > > > And very unlike television, newspapers, public > radio > > and cable news > > > which are dominated by democrat cronies. > >=20 > > It depends on where you live. It might be that way in > > California but=20 > > in Arizona and Tennessee its way dominated by GOP > robots on > > the air. > >=20 > > Kevin >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 13:14:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48884 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 20:14:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 20:14:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 20:14:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29759 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 20:14:40 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:14:39 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:14:39 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <484622.23734.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <550.29684.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=w3BSpMvUMpN9k6yPXSr5HZdzNxKMqbuZNfXoeJiVlmcY35NKj_6Y X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No I was thinking about Mike Malloy.=A0 He REALLY gets fired up and I love = to hear him!=A0 He's on Nova M though I think.=A0 I may have said Air Ameri= ca but on XM Air America and Nova M were together on the same channel at on= e point. =A0 -Kevin --- On Tue, 8/5/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:47 PM You maybe mean Ed Schultz? He can get really fired up sometimes, and he DOE= S make sense. G --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 4:01 AM > Yeah I think that was Air Americas problem was they came out > swinging too hard too fast.=A0 I mean I can understand though > because that view had so long been supressed on radio.=A0 I > think though they could have done democrats more justice by > being educated, well read, and speaking with authority but > not disrespect.=A0 I have to say though, that guy on Air > America from Atlanta, heck I can't remember his name but > he was hilarious when he was rippin bush a new asshole one > night.=A0 I never laughed so hard in my life.=A0 That was good > radio! > =A0 > -Kevin >=20 > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, george russell > wrote: >=20 > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 6:14 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > It is in Detroit, too, Kevin. Our only station that > isn't pegged to the right end of the spectrum has Air > America...but come on, how effective is THAT? Fire the > talkers who are too busy joking to get down to serious > matters, and put somebody articulate like you or I behind > the mike! > There are no sacred cows in my view, the truth isn't > always pleasant, but it should always be told, and proof > given. (OK, Thom Hartmann is a good start, I guess) > G >=20 > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, kevin redding com> wrote: >=20 > > From: kevin redding > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:54 AM > > On Aug 4, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Richard Wagoner wrote: > >=20 > > > And very unlike television, newspapers, public > radio > > and cable news > > > which are dominated by democrat cronies. > >=20 > > It depends on where you live. It might be that way in > > California but=20 > > in Arizona and Tennessee its way dominated by GOP > robots on > > the air. > >=20 > > Kevin >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 13:34:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59216 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 20:34:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 20:34:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 20:34:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10514 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 20:34:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:34:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:34:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <624688.40195.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <825057.8889.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=S1xjo6fRC9kVwmCsH76BbW4iXy5keH2Hoc-6gkUqU_AzmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Marxist? Don't you REALLY want to say "Godless Communist"? Go ahead! I've been called far worse and laughed it off. Let me run a comparison by YOU...why should a coal miner, who risks his life in the bowels of the earth, to power that hospital, make so much less than some guy who "is so poor, paying for insurance", that he has to give up one of his BMWs, and may delay his membership at the Country Club? I have a great respect for doctors, but I don't think that title in front of their names makes them so much more important to warrant such a lop-sided pay scale. If a medico is titled as a "doctor", why isn't the CE at your local station titled "Eng. Smith" or whoever? And what about all these CEOs that wreck their company, then escape with a so-called "golden parachute", making more in a year than you or I will see in a dozen...is THAT fair, too? The few people still lucky enough to work in a job that produces goods or services in this country, are paid, on average, about 15% of what they contribute to the company, the rest goes to folks who's biggest job is to show up at a board meeting occasionally (sometimes asleep), make bad judgement calls, and of course to "stock-holders", who make money off the deal without even contributing ANY labor! Marxist? Communist? Socialist? Go ahead, I've been called all of them and worse, because I'm not afraid to step on holy toes that are long overdue to be stepped on! Those names have been used since McCarthy had his little hissie fits to scare us into towing the establishment's line. Well, it's not going to work much longer, because that paper tiger is losing it's claws and teeth quickly! Soon enough, people will figure out that FAIR and MORAL are not spelled c-o-m-m-i-e or M-a-r-x-i-s-t. And the term "Godless Communist" is wearing pretty thin, too...using religion to scare people into a rightist viewpoint will not work much longer either. Remember Charles Keating, who ranted and raved his holy war against pornography, leading everybody to believe he was a super-Christian? Well, after hundreds of elderly people lost their life's savings to his savings & loan debacle, The porn hardly seems like such a large crime! Typical righty hypocrite! So the phrase "God is a Republican" is headed for the shitcan, too. When YOU feel the pinch, YOUR views will change! People are waking up, finally, and seeing that the mess we have allowed the "guardians of prosperity" (their's, anyway) to create is NOT right, it is NOT fair, it is not MORAL, and we are damn sick of it!!! ALL people should work, and ALL should benefit from that work by being able to afford a decent life...including a doctor's services. Any belief to the contrary is just plain ELITIST! To show I still have a sense of humor through all this, I will sign off, Comrade George! --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 9:51 AM > inline comments > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke > wrote: > > > Kudos to that! So true! > > Want the rest of the story? > > > > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, george russell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will stick in even MORE throats, but it needs to > be > > said... > > Instead of universal health care, how about (a) price > > controls on a very greedy genre of business, health > care, > > and (b) a minimum wage high enough to AFFORD a doctor? > When > > a hospital can charge you $25 for a couple aspirin > tablets > > because they serve them in a paper cup at your bedside > > (I've SEEN this on an itemized bill!), how in the > hell > > is anybody working for slave wages supposed to get > cared > > for? > > > What about the thousands of people that stick the hospital > with the bills. The hopital can't refuse to treat. Many > hospitals have had to close their emergency rooms except for > the government one. > > I guess all the others should close then ? Under your plan > it would. Most large hospitals aren't making money. In > border states there are so many illegals that most hospitals > have closed emergency rooms, and some hospitals went bust > and most are on life support. And it won't get better. > > > Seems to me this is all a very convenient way to thin > > the herd of anybody that hasn't > "succeeded", > > i.e. > > drives an expensive car, wears a $500 watch, or lives > on > > the "right" side of the tracks. > > I WORK for a living (if you could even call it a > living), > > and God help me if I even need a tooth pulled! > > > And how would you like to pay hundreds of thousands a year > for your malpractice .... that's IF you can get it. > There are some classes of doctors baby doctors.....that are > just giving up. And paying for med school and living in > poverty until they get that paid off ? > > So you think a doctor that went to school for 8 years > should make the same money as some unskilled person ? How > Marxist. > > > Powell From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 13:45:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16119 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 20:45:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 20:45:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 20:45:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80443 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 20:44:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:44:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:44:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <662657.24011.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <900260.80011.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=r5-IgLO5SgG1XLSrbT9NZV_2vmNajZScn47wdJsriCju6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Your description of the talentless reminds me of that other dufus in NY tha= t think's he's all that because he has naked ladies in the studio. I liked Imus's response when he was compared to Stern... "We have nudes on our show, too...we just don't spank them!" G --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 10:24 AM > I like Mike.=A0 A lot of what he does is playing and comedy > when he juices it up but he makes people think.=A0 Now the > other Mike, Mike Gallagher.=A0 I have no clue how that no > talent ass clown ever got on radio.=A0 He has no class.=A0 He > even made fun of Robert Kennedy Jr's disability.=A0 I > heard him.=A0 That is just below the belt.=A0 Behaviour like > that is always evident of people who have no talent. > =A0 >=20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Powell E. Way III > wrote: >=20 > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 10:19 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke yahoo.co. uk> wrote: >=20 > > From: clemsonbloke > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 10:06 AM > > Mike Malloy on XM now that guy can rip a new asshole > like no > > one else.=20 >=20 > When Mike Malloy was on WSB he was so much fun. Now he > sounds like an escaped mental patient off his medication.=20 >=20 > When I listened to him on WSB on Fridays he had a Dateless > and Desperate and it was a hoot. I would love for someone to > call in and request it.=20 >=20 > Powell >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 14:05:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79988 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 21:05:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 21:05:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 21:05:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 99518 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 21:05:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:05:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:05:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <422302.11743.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <997842.99458.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=CkDmW99mZcJ22b8ddaCXswG8AG4kQYiGIDUemFfalE6dVA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Oh good LORD! I see a whole new can of worms coming on line with THAT reve= lation, LOL! Down in Censor-nati...uh, I mean Cincinnati, they gave a coup= le of guys ninety days in jail for that! Must be all those conservative programs on WLW keeping the streets of the Q= UEEN City safe from anything that might upset Mr. Falwell!=20 Let me see if I understand this...conservative=3Dstraight, liberal=3Dgay...damn, I better go find me a boyfriend!!! (just kidding, PLE= ASE don't anybody ask me out, hah-hah!) G --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 10:36 AM > Powell on that liberal note.....In the 90s I used to see > young gay men walk down the street in downtown Asheville > holding hands.=A0 Thats pretty liberal!=A0 And they all think > California is the only liberal place! > =A0 >=20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Powell E. Way III > wrote: >=20 > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 10:29 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I checked every station in the west and SW and all those > carrying those were close to the very bottom of the > rankings, and not growing.=20 >=20 > The Asheville, NC station does the best, but it's not > where I would advertise. Asheville, NC is more liberal than > San Francisco in many ways.....=20 >=20 > Powell=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 14:08:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89117 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 21:08:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 21:08:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 21:08:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34223 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 21:08:41 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:08:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:08:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <997842.99458.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <998987.33952.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=knddp-XyY2BpVD9o52WtkuQPTO67VVfkG6H2OjsY3UA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/5/08, george russell wrote: > Oh good LORD! I see a whole new can of worms coming on line > with THAT revelation, LOL! Down in Censor-nati...uh, I mean > Cincinnati, they gave a couple of guys ninety days in jail > for that! > Must be all those conservative programs on WLW keeping the > streets of the QUEEN City safe from anything that might > upset Mr. Falwell! > Let me see if I understand this...conservative=straight, > liberal=gay...damn, I better go find me a boyfriend!!! > (just kidding, PLEASE don't anybody ask me out, > hah-hah!) > G There are those on the list that MIGHT, George so BE GOOD !! Powell From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 14:14:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97628 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 21:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 21:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 21:14:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5484 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 21:14:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:14:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:14:05 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <749676.14038.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <547159.5471.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} XEROK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=QGZqLhAEl8BDa7bMfS4vphx2Lmj0oxIvyuneZhkqKNTNIQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Makes sense, plus CKLW has a bit of a null towards my favorite listening sp= ot...but I still wonder why they have 3 DX-50s...that mystery is going to h= aunt me tonight...G --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} XEROK > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:37 PM > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, george russell > wrote: >=20 > > That's weird. They WERE running high power, I > could > > hear them up here in CKLW country on many nights, > often > > overshadowing CK. > > Is this drop in power a=A0recent thing? I last heard > X-Rok > > last fall. > > G >=20 >=20 > Honestly, the difference between 50 and 100 and even 150 KW > isn't that much. It looks like it is. Just going from > 250 to 1000 watts barely moves the S meter at all. 10 time > the power to do anything. >=20 >=20 > Powell =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 14:15:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78122 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 21:15:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 21:15:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 21:15:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38115 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 21:15:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:15:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:15:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <248772.37641.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <753975.37906.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=jLUtptMlILOEMPFuQOX395dsvwNhl1Z089cWaTtcHLkwHw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 You and the other Kevin should be on Air America...I think it would work quite well! G --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:46 PM > Oh I don't plan on letting anyone steal that from me!=A0 > I really don't care what people think about it!=A0 Thats > one thing that has never changed about me, i've always > said what I thought whether someone liked it or not! > =A0 > -Kevin >=20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, george russell > wrote: >=20 > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:43 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Bullseye! And as far as the working man goes, what will > happen when we have ALL been replaced? Will the "chosen > few", out of the kindness of their hearts, provide for > us like a bunch of pets? Not likely! > That is when you will see serious efforts at > "population engineering" > start to take place. It's already been discussed in > high places.=20 > It may not happen in my lifetime, but it breaks my heart > thinking about what our kids are going to have to deal > with...God help them! > Keep on thinking for yourself, Kevin! Some will not like > it, but it is the last thing the powerful haven't > figured out a way to steal from you! > George >=20 > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke yahoo.co. uk> wrote: >=20 > > From: clemsonbloke > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:40 AM > > George, > > =A0 > > My father is a minister!=A0 Ha!=A0 A minister i'm > not but > > I do believe in the things this country was founded > on, not > > the modern version of this revisionist history.=A0 I > champion > > the working man.=A0 It's scary when a few > billionaires > > run things!=A0 This is what i've been > > "preaching" for a long time to close > friends.=A0 We > > are losing our country to this sick malaise we are > currently > > under.=A0 As I said I lean more democrat but that > doesn't > > mean i'm a total lock stock and barrel democrat.=A0 > > I'm more a person who listens to both sides then > makes > > up his mind.=A0 I don't agree with everything the > > democrats do.=A0 For one they need to support offshore > > drilling for the short term but I still believe long > term we > > need to look at alternate fuels.=A0 In college it was > > explained and taught to us that the US has enough oil > that > > we could survive for perhaps 200 years without any > help from > > outside oil sources.=A0 That is WAY more than enough > time to > > have researchers figuring > > out a new alternate source of energy.=A0 They should > > approach it as we did the space program in the > 1960's.=A0 > > A large effort of the best scientists and researchers > and > > put the money towards it.=A0 Thats our best hope energy > > wise.=A0 People in the US are starving and we run off > and > > feed the rest of the world.=A0 While I support helping > lesser > > nations I still think we should take care of our > own.=A0 > > There is absolutely NO reason anyone in this country > should > > go without food or shelter.=A0 Those who think so have > more > > money than sense.=A0 Lets not stray too far from topic > > though.=A0 I just wanted to show i'm not a total > dem lock > > stock and barrel.=A0 If I were I wouldnt support > offshore > > drilling because I would think that somehow that was > going > > to hurt the earth so much!=A0 Gee!=A0 Those people are > nuts > > that think like that!=A0 Back to fairness doctrine and > lord > > i'm rehashing so I wont say much but I think we do > need > > to get back to it.=A0 As I stated earlier just look > > how things are so much more controlled now.=A0=20 > > =A0 > > -Kevin > > =A0 > >=20 > > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, george russell > > wrote: > >=20 > > From: george russell > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:54 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Kevin, if you ever become a preacher, I'll stuff > the > > offering plate! > > That pretty well sums up what I and a LOT of folks I > know > > believe. > > BTW, it's not the Fox NEWS channel...it' s the > Fox > > NOISE channel! > > I too like to hear both sides, and make up my own > mind. > > Today, that is=20 > > dangerous... if there is one thing the government > fears > > worse than an alien invasion, it's us thinking for > > ourselves! > > Ever notice all the people who defend the current > quagmire > > have all their bills paid, a roof over their head, and > gas > > in their car? Yeah, they may be in debt, but at least > they > > are pretty sure where their next meal is coming from. > > I used to have a ministry with the homeless folk in > Mt. > > Clemens, MI. where I and a couple friends would buy a > few > > pizzas and go down to the riverbank and share them, > and just > > sit and talk with these people. > > Common image of these folks is only PARTLY > right...yes, > > some are drug users, or too lazy to work, but we also > met > > very intellegent people > > who had lost it all, and only wanted a chance to do an > > honest day's work and earn their keep. But who is > going > > to hire them? Who is going to let them use their > shower to > > get presentable for a job interview? WHEN is a talk > show > > host with a roving microphone going to get THESE > > PEOPLE'S take on the current affairs? My guess is > > never!!! Why do I give a damn? 2 reasons: (1) it is > hard not > > to have compassion once you get to know some of these > folks, > > and (2) > > THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD GO I!!!] > > If things don't turn around and pretty damn fast, > a lot > > of people who are convinced that the system is fine > are in > > for a very painful discovery. > > When it is THEIR turn out in the cold, and nobody will > hire > > them, I bet they will be singing a whole new tune! > > George > >=20 > >=20 > > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, clemsonbloke > yahoo.co. uk> wrote: > >=20 > > > From: clemsonbloke uk> > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:50 AM > > > I just graduated my degree in broadcasting and we > > studied > > > this.=A0 Many people get the Fairness Doctrine > > wrongly.=A0 It > > > was basically designed to insure that both sides > of a > > story > > > were presented such as democrats and republicans > would > > get > > > equal time to present their ideas.=A0 Very unlike > what > > we > > > have today where everything is dominated by > republican > > > cronies of the bush administration.=A0 I truly > believe > > that > > > any news or radio organization for that matter is > only > > worth > > > its salt if it provides both sides equally.=A0 I > > don't > > > believe all the hot air these republicans spew > but I > > DO want > > > to hear them and what they have to say.=A0 I would > be > > against > > > an all democrat run operation too.=A0 I want both > > sides.=A0 I > > > am educated enough to make up my own mind.=A0 I > > don't > > > need that one lop sided crap that we have today > on > > > republican crony radio.=A0 Fox news fair and > balanced, > > yeah > > > right!=A0 They are fair and balanced=A0 > conservative and > > > republican, thats the two sides you get from > > > those people.=A0 Anyone republican or democrat who > > wants to > > > hear things one sided are just not well informed, > > educated, > > > or open minded=A0for that matter.=A0 I believe our > whole > > > system is based on checks and balances and I > believe > > the > > > fairness doctrine as I studied it in college > provided > > that > > > checks and balances system.=A0 I think we need > more of > > > that.=A0 From what I can tell its only republican > folks > > who > > > dominate talk radio that do not want the fairness > > doctrine > > > reinstated.=A0 Wonder why?=A0 Does it ever make you > > think?=A0 > > > We've talked about local small town radio.=A0 > Well > > there > > > was tons more of that in the days of the fairness > > doctrine > > > than there are now.=A0 You ever wonder why?=A0 Do > you > > not > > > think rich corporate america wants to control the > > > airwaves?=A0 You see they are being controlled now > by > > one > > > side.=A0 Rich corporate republican types who do > not > > care for > > > the working man.=A0 Sure they wanted the fairness > > doctrine > > > taken away, that way they could spew their one > > > sided views on everything.=A0 They could buy up > all the > > > stations and the hell with any other views, they > > didn't > > > have to present them once the fairness doctrine > was > > taken > > > away.=A0 Too many people don't understand > this.=A0 > > > It's simple.=A0 It was placed so that both > sides > > could be > > > heard equally.=A0 I remember growing up when it > was in > > > place.=A0 I used to like hearing both sides.=A0 To > me > > its sad > > > that we don't get both sides now.=A0 Think > folks! > > > =A0 > > > -Kevin > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, W6YN Don Milbury > > > > > wrote: > > >=20 > > > From: W6YN Don Milbury > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 5:03 PM > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Regulating speech in order to alter its content > is > > exactly > > > the sort of meddling that the First Amendment is > meant > > to > > > prohibit. > > >=20 > > > Should the fairness doctrine be reinstated, the > > possibility > > > of a challenge even if the challenge ultimately > > failed, the > > > cost of defending against it could be substantial > to > > the > > > extent that I would cancel all talk programming > from > > my > > > stations. I don't know what available > programming > > would > > > attract the demographic audience that my > customers > > demand. > > > It just may mean that my investment value could > be > > radically > > > diminished and a distressed property sale may be > the > > result. > > > Fortunately I purchased these sticks as > > "distressed > > > property" in the mid 80's so I may not > suffer > > much > > > of a loss. It's time for me to retire anyway. >=20 > > >=20 > > > Policy discussion on the airwaves for decades > was, for > > the > > > most part, as bland as cottage cheese. In > practice, > > the > > > so-called fairness doctrine was deeply unfair. > > >=20 > > > Restricting free speech and government controls > on > > media > > > content is anathema to our constitutional > guarantees > > of free > > > speech. Stalinists, of course, do not agree. > > >=20 > > > History always proves them wrong: > > >=20 > > > "Our massive strategy was to use the > Fairness > > Doctrine > > > to challenge and harass right-wing broadcasters > and > > hope the > > > challenges would be so costly to them that they > would > > be > > > inhibited and decide it was too expensive to > > continue." > > >=20 > > > --Bill Ruder, Democratic campaign consultant and > > Assistant > > > Secretary of Commerce, Kennedy Administration[ 1] > > >=20 > > > "The main thing is the Post is going to have > > damnable, > > > damnable problems out of [its Watergate > coverage]. > > They have > > > a television station...and they are going to have > to > > get it > > > renewed." > > >=20 > > > --President Richard Nixon[2] > > >=20 > > > Should the federal government mandate > > "fairness" > > > in broadcasting? "Yes," say some > Members of > > > Congress, including Speaker of the House Nancy > Pols, > > who > > > reportedly said this week that House leaders > would > > > "aggressively pursue" legislation to > > reinstate the > > > "Fairness Doctrine."[3] Until it was > > abolished in > > > 1987, this Federal Communications Commission rule > > required > > > broadcasters to air all sides of controversial > issues. > > >=20 > > > At first glance, the rule may sound innocuous. > > Fairness is, > > > after all, a basic American value. But as a > matter of > > > principle, any such government controls on media > > content is > > > anathema to constitutional guarantees of free > speech. > > And in > > > practice, the so-called fairness doctrine was > deeply > > unfair. > > >=20 > > > Dulling Down Broadcasting > > >=20 > > > Rather than foster full and fair discussion of > public > > > issues, the real effect of the Fairness Doctrine > was > > to > > > discourage discussion of controversial issues of > any > > kind. > > > It's no coincidence that such media as talk > > > radio--virtually non-existent while the rule was > in > > > place--flowered after its repeal. Rather than the > vast > > > wasteland of bland muzak-like discussion it was > > before, > > > broadcasting- - especially radio--has become a > > platform for > > > vibrant and controversial debate on countless > issues. > > >=20 > > > The Fairness Doctrine was developed by the FCC > over a > > long > > > period, based on its broad authority under the > > > Communications Act to regulate the airwaves. The > rule > > was > > > first articulated in 1949, when television was in > its > > > infancy and radio meant a handful of AM stations > in > > each > > > market. In its final form, the rule required > > broadcasters to > > > "afford reasonable opportunity for > discussion of > > > contrasting points of view on controversial > matters of > > > public importance." [4] > > >=20 > > > The vagueness of the standard left quite a bit of > > > uncertainty. What is a "reasonable" > > opportunity? > > > How many "contrasting" views? Station > > managers > > > whose programming ventured too far into > controversial > > > subjects could quite easily find themselves > subject to > > a > > > fairness doctrine challenge. And even if the > challenge > > > ultimately failed, the cost of defending against > it > > could be > > > substantial. So the safe route for most was to > stay > > far away > > > from controversy. As a result, policy discussion > on > > the > > > airwaves for decades was, for the most part, as > bland > > as > > > cottage cheese. > > >=20 > > > Political Abuse > > >=20 > > > This "chilling" effect was exacerbated > by > > > political abuse of the system. Politicians of > both > > parties > > > used the doctrine to further their political > ends. > > Political > > > strategists for Kennedy and Johnson, for example, > > > consciously used the Fairness Doctrine to cow > > political > > > opponents. According to statements from party > > activists, > > > there was an explicit strategy to raise the cost > of > > critical > > > programming, and thus get it dropped entirely. > > > "Perhaps...our tactics were too > aggressive," > > one > > > party operative is quoted as saying, "but we > were > > up > > > against ultra-right preachers who were saying > vicious > > things > > > about Kennedy and Johnson."[5] > > >=20 > > > The political use of the Fairness Doctrine was > brought > > to > > > new heights by President Richard Nixon. According > to > > Jesse > > > Walker of Reason magazine, "private > activists > > directed > > > by the Republican National Committee regularly > filed > > > Fairness Doctrine challenges against stations > whose > > > reporting angered the White House."[6] > > >=20 > > > Demise of the Fairness Doctrine > > >=20 > > > The constitutionality of the Fairness Doctrine > was > > > challenged in the 1969 case Red Lion v. FCC[7], > > involving a > > > religious broadcaster who was fined by the FCC > for not > > > providing a person criticized on the air an > > opportunity to > > > reply. The Supreme Court upheld the rule, > reasoning > > that > > > because broadcast frequencies were scarce, the > > government > > > may intervene in broadcast media in ways that > would > > not be > > > allowed toward traditional media, such as > newspapers. > > >=20 > > > The decision in Red Lion, however, has been > subject to > > > intense criticism.[8] And in 1987, the FCC > rescinded > > the > > > Fairness Doctrine, finding it to be contrary to > the > > > Constitution as well as bad policy.[9] In its > landmark > > > decision, the Commission wrote: > > >=20 > > > We believe that the role of the electronic press > in > > our > > > society is the same as that of the printed press. > Both > > are > > > sources of information and viewpoint. > Accordingly, the > > > reasons for proscribing government intrusion into > the > > > editorial discretion of print journalists provide > the > > same > > > basis for proscribing such interference into the > > editorial > > > discretion of broadcast journalists. [10] > > >=20 > > > The FCC's decision to rescind the doctrine > was > > later > > > upheld by a federal appeals court. In so doing, > > however, the > > > court did not pass judgment on the > constitutionality > > of the > > > rule and instead relied on the FCC's policy > > findings > > > that it did not serve the public interest.[11] > > >=20 > > > Red Lion is still formally in place. But in years > > since, > > > the basic "spectrum scarcity" rationale > of > > Red > > > Lion (and thus the constitutionality of fairness > > rules) has > > > become ever weaker. Not only have new broadcast > > frequencies- > > > -such as the UHF television and FM radio > bands--been > > put > > > into use, but entirely new systems such as cable > TV > > and > > > satellite radio have been created, offering > consumers > > > hundreds of channels when before they only had a > > > handful.[12] And the Internet has made notions of > > scarcity > > > almost meaningless. [13] > > >=20 > > > At the same time, broadcasters- -especially radio > > > broadcasters- -became much more willing to air > > controversial > > > points of view, in large part because of the > repeal of > > the > > > FCC's fairness rule. Most notably, talk > radio, > > which had > > > been a relatively rare format, exploded in scope > and > > > popularity. In 1990, there were some 400 stations > with > > a > > > talk show format nationwide. By 2006, there were > more > > than > > > 1,400 stations devoted entirely to talk > formats.[14] > > > Programming shed its cottage cheese-like > character, as > > > controversial new hosts, such as Rush Limbaugh, > gained > > > airtime and the freedom to express strong > opinions and > > views > > > without fear of regulatory reprisal. According to > the > > > Project for Excellence in Journalism: > > >=20 > > > With the [Fairness] Doctrine's repeal, radio > shows > > > could become more one-sided, more free-wheeling, > > ideological > > > and political. And it didn't take long. One > of the > > first > > > to gain popularity under the new rules was a new > voice > > out > > > of California named Rush Limbaugh. Within a year > or > > two of > > > the new rules, Limbaugh's provocative > > denunciations of > > > Democrats became a phenomenon. Stations quickly > began > > to > > > pick up his syndicated show, and other > conservative > > names > > > followed his lead. Being controversial seemed a > > plus.[15] > > >=20 > > > Not all the changes, of course, were due to the > > Fairness > > > Doctrine repeal. Other factors, such as the rise > of FM > > > radio, were at work. But, as documented by > economists > > Thomas > > > Hazlett and David W. Sosa, the regulatory change > had a > > > substantial causal effect.[16] > > >=20 > > > Government-Enforced "Balance" > > >=20 > > > Many supporters of the Fairness Doctrine are > concerned > > > about this explosion of information because they > see > > it as > > > the wrong kind of information. Many are frankly > > concerned > > > about the amount of "conservative" > > programming, > > > especially in talk radio, and would like to see a > > different > > > balance. > > >=20 > > > Certainly, conservative- oriented talk radio has > been > > more > > > successful than left-leaning radio programming. > But > > > broadcasting is only one small part of > today's > > media > > > universe, which includes not just radio and > television > > > broadcasting but print, cable, and Internet > sources. > > > Conservatives have had no lock on opportunities, > even > > in > > > radio. Programming with a liberal bent, from > Mario > > > Cuomo's show to Air America, has been given > > > opportunities and will get more. > > >=20 > > > Moreover, arguments that the Fairness Doctrine is > > needed > > > because certain types of media are too > conservative, > > too > > > negative, too partisan, or too anything actually > > strengthen > > > the case against the regulation. Any law that is > > targeted at > > > media based on the content of what is being said > > raises > > > greater constitutional concerns and is much less > > likely to > > > pass constitutional muster--and for good reason. > > Regulating > > > speech in order to alter its content is exactly > the > > sort of > > > meddling that the First Amendment is meant to > > prohibit. It > > > is simply not the job of politicians to > > "correct" > > > the mix of opinions being expressed in the > marketplace > > of > > > ideas, even if--and especially if--they disagree > with > > those > > > opinions. > > >=20 > > > Conclusion > > >=20 > > > The Federal Communications Commission did the > right > > thing > > > 20 years ago in throwing this unnecessary, > > > counter-productive, and unwise restriction on > speech > > into > > > the regulatory dustbin. It should be left there. > To do > > > otherwise would be dangerous and obviously > > unconstitutional. > > >=20 > > > [1]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free > > > Speech," The American Conservative, April > 23, > > 2007, at > > > http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ > article3. > > html. > > >=20 > > > [2]Quoted in Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, > > > "Chilling the Internet? Lessons from FCC > > Regulation of > > > Radio Broadcasting, " Cato Institute Policy > > Analysis > > > No. 270, March 19, 1997. > > >=20 > > > [3]See "Her Royal Fairness, The American > > Spectator, > > > May 14, 2007, at http://www.spectato r.org/dsp_ > > article.asp? > > > art_id=3D11427. > > >=20 > > > [4]For general background on the development of > the > > rule, > > > see Museum of Broadcast Communications, > "Fairness > > > Doctrine" at http://www.museum. tv/archives/ > > > etv/F/htmlF/ fairnessdoct/ fairnessdoct. htm. > > >=20 > > > [5]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free > > > Speech," The American Conservative, April > 23, > > 2007, at > > > http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ > article3. > > html. > > >=20 > > > [6]Ibid. > > >=20 > > > [7]Red Lion v. FCC, 395 U.S. 367 (1969). > > >=20 > > > [8]See, e.g.., William Van Alstyne, The Mobius > Strip > > of the > > > First Amendment: Perspectives on Red Lion, 29 S. > > Carolina. > > > L. Rev. 539, 547-48 (1978) (listing many of the > > leading > > > articles in the first decade after the decision) > at > > > http://eprints. law.duke. edu/archive/ 00000564/ > > 01/29_S._ > > > C._L._Rev. _539_(1978-1979) . pdf. > > >=20 > > > [9]The agency had originally declined to consider > the > > > question of whether the rule was constitutional. > In > > early > > > 1987, however, a federal court held that the FCC > could > > not > > > enforce the doctrine unless it considered the > > constitutional > > > objections. Meredith v. FCC, 809 F. 2d 863 > (1987). > > >=20 > > > [10]Syracuse Peace Council, 2 FCC Reports 5043 > (1987). > > >=20 > > > [11]Syracuse Peace Council, 867 F. 2d 654 (D.C. > Cir. > > > (1989)). > > >=20 > > > [12]Many believe that due to these developments, > > combined > > > with the longstanding legal criticism of the Red > Lion > > case, > > > were it to be reconsidered today, it would be > decided > > > differently. A study published two years ago by > the > > FCC > > > itself makes this case convincingly. See, John W. > > > Berresford, "The Scarcity Rationale for > > Regulating > > > Traditional Broadcasting: An Idea Whose Time Has > > > Passed," FCC Media Bureau Staff Research > Paper, > > March > > > 2005, at http://hraunfoss. fcc.gov/edocs_ > > public/attachmat > > > ch/DOC-257534A1. pdf. > > >=20 > > > [13]See Adam D. Thierer, "The Media > > Cornucopia," > > > City Journal, Spring 2007, at http://www.city- > > journal.org/ > > > html/17_2_ media.html. > > >=20 > > > [14]Project on Excellence in Journalism, > "The > > State of > > > the News Media 2007: An Annual Report on American > > > Journalism, Talk Radio page, at > http://www.stateoft > > > henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ radio_talk_ > > radio.asp? > > > cat=3D8&media=3D 9. > > >=20 > > > [15]Project on Excellence in Journalism, > "The > > State of > > > the News Media 2007: An Annual Report on American > > > Journalism, Talk Radio page, at > http://www.stateoft > > > henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ radio_talk_ > > radio.asp? > > > cat=3D8&media=3D 9. > > >=20 > > > [16]Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, > "Was the > > > Fairness Doctrine a "Chilling Effect? > Evidence > > from the > > > Post-deregulation Radio Market," 26 Journal > of > > Legal > > > Studies 279 (1997). > > >=20 > > > Don > > >=20 > > > -- "Amy Mousie" com> > > > wrote: > > >=20 > > > This is proof positive that the abolition of the > > Fairness > > > Doctrine was > > > a Bad Idea-- > > >=20 > > > I can prove there are actually FEWER talk radio > > stations > > > today, > > > without the Fairness Doctrine than there were > with: > > Just > > > eliminate all > > > the bird-fed takers ands see how many are left. > > Chances > > > are, MUCH > > > fewer than when the Fairness Doctrine was > abolished. > > >=20 > > > Now, tell me- Was that a good thing? Did it > REALLY > > improve > > > diversity > > > of voices and ownership to abolish the Fairness > > Doctrine? I > > > don't > > > think it was, just as much as letting the RIAA > have > > free > > > reign over > > > royalty fees that have driven many statiuons from > > > broadcasting > > > anything beyond bird-fed programming. > > >=20 > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > >=20 > > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, george > russell > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Yup, the "cookie-cutter" programs. > One > > night > > > I sat in Durand, MI, > > > scanned > > > > the dial, and found 11 stations carrying > C2C, and > > over > > > a dozen > > > carrying ESPN...with a lousy car radio! My > stomach > > nearly > > > empties, > > > too! G=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 14:17:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13150 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 21:17:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 21:17:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 21:17:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81483 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 21:17:10 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:17:10 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:17:10 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <998987.33952.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <911355.81379.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=37d2BZHvqfmaDXi8YLlJiEbVFBaeNh29heTRp9jOaY86B39rEyvt X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hahaha......Powell are there gays in radio??=A0 LOL=A0 :o)=A0 Yeah George I= dont want em asking me out either!=A0 I'm friends with a few though, some = of my best friends actually.=A0 You're right though, some people can't hand= le them.=A0 It's just because they don't understand them plain and simple.= =A0 If they tried to get to know someone they'd find that those folks are j= ust like them.=A0 They just like something different under the covers.=A0 h= ehehhe =A0 =A0 --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:08 PM NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/5/08, george russell wrote: > Oh good LORD! I see a whole new can of worms coming on line > with THAT revelation, LOL! Down in Censor-nati. ..uh, I mean > Cincinnati, they gave a couple of guys ninety days in jail > for that! > Must be all those conservative programs on WLW keeping the > streets of the QUEEN City safe from anything that might > upset Mr. Falwell!=20 > Let me see if I understand this...conservative =3Dstraight, > liberal=3Dgay. ..damn, I better go find me a boyfriend!!! > (just kidding, PLEASE don't anybody ask me out, > hah-hah!) > G There are those on the list that MIGHT, George so BE GOOD !!=20 Powell =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 14:20:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29403 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 21:20:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 21:20:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 21:20:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 71905 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 21:20:07 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:20:06 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:20:06 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <753975.37906.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <25265.71099.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=FdYb5VSIvE1-cGcWuPn8xgYUaJkF8t0G0O12Fi4-1te2I2xiVTfB X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Perhaps!=A0 Ha!=A0 You know I had considered being a regular DJ a while sim= ply because I am in love wiht music and always have been.=A0 I figure thoug= h that I still would love a talk show since I do love people and love talki= ng and debating.=A0 It's a lot of fun.=A0 I believe in what I believe in bu= t I respect someones right to think differently.=A0 We just agree to disagr= ee.=A0 THAT is what real men do.=A0 It would be nicer if more people were t= hat way these days.=A0 Ultimately many times though people get in all out f= ights over stuff and thats not what a gentleman does.=A0 True gentlemen can= disagree yet still go out for a beer together.=A0 We need more of that in = the world! =A0 --- On Tue, 8/5/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:15 PM You and the other Kevin should be on Air America...I think it would work quite well! G --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:46 PM > Oh I don't plan on letting anyone steal that from me!=A0 > I really don't care what people think about it!=A0 Thats > one thing that has never changed about me, i've always > said what I thought whether someone liked it or not! > =A0 > -Kevin >=20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, george russell > wrote: >=20 > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:43 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Bullseye! And as far as the working man goes, what will > happen when we have ALL been replaced? Will the "chosen > few", out of the kindness of their hearts, provide for > us like a bunch of pets? Not likely! > That is when you will see serious efforts at > "population engineering" > start to take place. It's already been discussed in > high places.=20 > It may not happen in my lifetime, but it breaks my heart > thinking about what our kids are going to have to deal > with...God help them! > Keep on thinking for yourself, Kevin! Some will not like > it, but it is the last thing the powerful haven't > figured out a way to steal from you! > George >=20 > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke yahoo.co. uk> wrote: >=20 > > From: clemsonbloke > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:40 AM > > George, > > =A0 > > My father is a minister!=A0 Ha!=A0 A minister i'm > not but > > I do believe in the things this country was founded > on, not > > the modern version of this revisionist history.=A0 I > champion > > the working man.=A0 It's scary when a few > billionaires > > run things!=A0 This is what i've been > > "preaching" for a long time to close > friends.=A0 We > > are losing our country to this sick malaise we are > currently > > under.=A0 As I said I lean more democrat but that > doesn't > > mean i'm a total lock stock and barrel democrat.=A0 > > I'm more a person who listens to both sides then > makes > > up his mind.=A0 I don't agree with everything the > > democrats do.=A0 For one they need to support offshore > > drilling for the short term but I still believe long > term we > > need to look at alternate fuels.=A0 In college it was > > explained and taught to us that the US has enough oil > that > > we could survive for perhaps 200 years without any > help from > > outside oil sources.=A0 That is WAY more than enough > time to > > have researchers figuring > > out a new alternate source of energy.=A0 They should > > approach it as we did the space program in the > 1960's.=A0 > > A large effort of the best scientists and researchers > and > > put the money towards it.=A0 Thats our best hope energy > > wise.=A0 People in the US are starving and we run off > and > > feed the rest of the world.=A0 While I support helping > lesser > > nations I still think we should take care of our > own.=A0 > > There is absolutely NO reason anyone in this country > should > > go without food or shelter.=A0 Those who think so have > more > > money than sense.=A0 Lets not stray too far from topic > > though.=A0 I just wanted to show i'm not a total > dem lock > > stock and barrel.=A0 If I were I wouldnt support > offshore > > drilling because I would think that somehow that was > going > > to hurt the earth so much!=A0 Gee!=A0 Those people are > nuts > > that think like that!=A0 Back to fairness doctrine and > lord > > i'm rehashing so I wont say much but I think we do > need > > to get back to it.=A0 As I stated earlier just look > > how things are so much more controlled now.=A0=20 > > =A0 > > -Kevin > > =A0 > >=20 > > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, george russell > > wrote: > >=20 > > From: george russell > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:54 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Kevin, if you ever become a preacher, I'll stuff > the > > offering plate! > > That pretty well sums up what I and a LOT of folks I > know > > believe. > > BTW, it's not the Fox NEWS channel...it' s the > Fox > > NOISE channel! > > I too like to hear both sides, and make up my own > mind. > > Today, that is=20 > > dangerous... if there is one thing the government > fears > > worse than an alien invasion, it's us thinking for > > ourselves! > > Ever notice all the people who defend the current > quagmire > > have all their bills paid, a roof over their head, and > gas > > in their car? Yeah, they may be in debt, but at least > they > > are pretty sure where their next meal is coming from. > > I used to have a ministry with the homeless folk in > Mt. > > Clemens, MI. where I and a couple friends would buy a > few > > pizzas and go down to the riverbank and share them, > and just > > sit and talk with these people. > > Common image of these folks is only PARTLY > right...yes, > > some are drug users, or too lazy to work, but we also > met > > very intellegent people > > who had lost it all, and only wanted a chance to do an > > honest day's work and earn their keep. But who is > going > > to hire them? Who is going to let them use their > shower to > > get presentable for a job interview? WHEN is a talk > show > > host with a roving microphone going to get THESE > > PEOPLE'S take on the current affairs? My guess is > > never!!! Why do I give a damn? 2 reasons: (1) it is > hard not > > to have compassion once you get to know some of these > folks, > > and (2) > > THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD GO I!!!] > > If things don't turn around and pretty damn fast, > a lot > > of people who are convinced that the system is fine > are in > > for a very painful discovery. > > When it is THEIR turn out in the cold, and nobody will > hire > > them, I bet they will be singing a whole new tune! > > George > >=20 > >=20 > > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, clemsonbloke > yahoo.co. uk> wrote: > >=20 > > > From: clemsonbloke uk> > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:50 AM > > > I just graduated my degree in broadcasting and we > > studied > > > this.=A0 Many people get the Fairness Doctrine > > wrongly.=A0 It > > > was basically designed to insure that both sides > of a > > story > > > were presented such as democrats and republicans > would > > get > > > equal time to present their ideas.=A0 Very unlike > what > > we > > > have today where everything is dominated by > republican > > > cronies of the bush administration.=A0 I truly > believe > > that > > > any news or radio organization for that matter is > only > > worth > > > its salt if it provides both sides equally.=A0 I > > don't > > > believe all the hot air these republicans spew > but I > > DO want > > > to hear them and what they have to say.=A0 I would > be > > against > > > an all democrat run operation too.=A0 I want both > > sides.=A0 I > > > am educated enough to make up my own mind.=A0 I > > don't > > > need that one lop sided crap that we have today > on > > > republican crony radio.=A0 Fox news fair and > balanced, > > yeah > > > right!=A0 They are fair and balanced=A0 > conservative and > > > republican, thats the two sides you get from > > > those people.=A0 Anyone republican or democrat who > > wants to > > > hear things one sided are just not well informed, > > educated, > > > or open minded=A0for that matter.=A0 I believe our > whole > > > system is based on checks and balances and I > believe > > the > > > fairness doctrine as I studied it in college > provided > > that > > > checks and balances system.=A0 I think we need > more of > > > that.=A0 From what I can tell its only republican > folks > > who > > > dominate talk radio that do not want the fairness > > doctrine > > > reinstated.=A0 Wonder why?=A0 Does it ever make you > > think?=A0 > > > We've talked about local small town radio.=A0 > Well > > there > > > was tons more of that in the days of the fairness > > doctrine > > > than there are now.=A0 You ever wonder why?=A0 Do > you > > not > > > think rich corporate america wants to control the > > > airwaves?=A0 You see they are being controlled now > by > > one > > > side.=A0 Rich corporate republican types who do > not > > care for > > > the working man.=A0 Sure they wanted the fairness > > doctrine > > > taken away, that way they could spew their one > > > sided views on everything.=A0 They could buy up > all the > > > stations and the hell with any other views, they > > didn't > > > have to present them once the fairness doctrine > was > > taken > > > away.=A0 Too many people don't understand > this.=A0 > > > It's simple.=A0 It was placed so that both > sides > > could be > > > heard equally.=A0 I remember growing up when it > was in > > > place.=A0 I used to like hearing both sides.=A0 To > me > > its sad > > > that we don't get both sides now.=A0 Think > folks! > > > =A0 > > > -Kevin > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, W6YN Don Milbury > > > > > wrote: > > >=20 > > > From: W6YN Don Milbury > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 5:03 PM > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Regulating speech in order to alter its content > is > > exactly > > > the sort of meddling that the First Amendment is > meant > > to > > > prohibit. > > >=20 > > > Should the fairness doctrine be reinstated, the > > possibility > > > of a challenge even if the challenge ultimately > > failed, the > > > cost of defending against it could be substantial > to > > the > > > extent that I would cancel all talk programming > from > > my > > > stations. I don't know what available > programming > > would > > > attract the demographic audience that my > customers > > demand. > > > It just may mean that my investment value could > be > > radically > > > diminished and a distressed property sale may be > the > > result. > > > Fortunately I purchased these sticks as > > "distressed > > > property" in the mid 80's so I may not > suffer > > much > > > of a loss. It's time for me to retire anyway. >=20 > > >=20 > > > Policy discussion on the airwaves for decades > was, for > > the > > > most part, as bland as cottage cheese. In > practice, > > the > > > so-called fairness doctrine was deeply unfair. > > >=20 > > > Restricting free speech and government controls > on > > media > > > content is anathema to our constitutional > guarantees > > of free > > > speech. Stalinists, of course, do not agree. > > >=20 > > > History always proves them wrong: > > >=20 > > > "Our massive strategy was to use the > Fairness > > Doctrine > > > to challenge and harass right-wing broadcasters > and > > hope the > > > challenges would be so costly to them that they > would > > be > > > inhibited and decide it was too expensive to > > continue." > > >=20 > > > --Bill Ruder, Democratic campaign consultant and > > Assistant > > > Secretary of Commerce, Kennedy Administration[ 1] > > >=20 > > > "The main thing is the Post is going to have > > damnable, > > > damnable problems out of [its Watergate > coverage]. > > They have > > > a television station...and they are going to have > to > > get it > > > renewed." > > >=20 > > > --President Richard Nixon[2] > > >=20 > > > Should the federal government mandate > > "fairness" > > > in broadcasting? "Yes," say some > Members of > > > Congress, including Speaker of the House Nancy > Pols, > > who > > > reportedly said this week that House leaders > would > > > "aggressively pursue" legislation to > > reinstate the > > > "Fairness Doctrine."[3] Until it was > > abolished in > > > 1987, this Federal Communications Commission rule > > required > > > broadcasters to air all sides of controversial > issues. > > >=20 > > > At first glance, the rule may sound innocuous. > > Fairness is, > > > after all, a basic American value. But as a > matter of > > > principle, any such government controls on media > > content is > > > anathema to constitutional guarantees of free > speech. > > And in > > > practice, the so-called fairness doctrine was > deeply > > unfair. > > >=20 > > > Dulling Down Broadcasting > > >=20 > > > Rather than foster full and fair discussion of > public > > > issues, the real effect of the Fairness Doctrine > was > > to > > > discourage discussion of controversial issues of > any > > kind. > > > It's no coincidence that such media as talk > > > radio--virtually non-existent while the rule was > in > > > place--flowered after its repeal. Rather than the > vast > > > wasteland of bland muzak-like discussion it was > > before, > > > broadcasting- - especially radio--has become a > > platform for > > > vibrant and controversial debate on countless > issues. > > >=20 > > > The Fairness Doctrine was developed by the FCC > over a > > long > > > period, based on its broad authority under the > > > Communications Act to regulate the airwaves. The > rule > > was > > > first articulated in 1949, when television was in > its > > > infancy and radio meant a handful of AM stations > in > > each > > > market. In its final form, the rule required > > broadcasters to > > > "afford reasonable opportunity for > discussion of > > > contrasting points of view on controversial > matters of > > > public importance." [4] > > >=20 > > > The vagueness of the standard left quite a bit of > > > uncertainty. What is a "reasonable" > > opportunity? > > > How many "contrasting" views? Station > > managers > > > whose programming ventured too far into > controversial > > > subjects could quite easily find themselves > subject to > > a > > > fairness doctrine challenge. And even if the > challenge > > > ultimately failed, the cost of defending against > it > > could be > > > substantial. So the safe route for most was to > stay > > far away > > > from controversy. As a result, policy discussion > on > > the > > > airwaves for decades was, for the most part, as > bland > > as > > > cottage cheese. > > >=20 > > > Political Abuse > > >=20 > > > This "chilling" effect was exacerbated > by > > > political abuse of the system. Politicians of > both > > parties > > > used the doctrine to further their political > ends. > > Political > > > strategists for Kennedy and Johnson, for example, > > > consciously used the Fairness Doctrine to cow > > political > > > opponents. According to statements from party > > activists, > > > there was an explicit strategy to raise the cost > of > > critical > > > programming, and thus get it dropped entirely. > > > "Perhaps...our tactics were too > aggressive," > > one > > > party operative is quoted as saying, "but we > were > > up > > > against ultra-right preachers who were saying > vicious > > things > > > about Kennedy and Johnson."[5] > > >=20 > > > The political use of the Fairness Doctrine was > brought > > to > > > new heights by President Richard Nixon. According > to > > Jesse > > > Walker of Reason magazine, "private > activists > > directed > > > by the Republican National Committee regularly > filed > > > Fairness Doctrine challenges against stations > whose > > > reporting angered the White House."[6] > > >=20 > > > Demise of the Fairness Doctrine > > >=20 > > > The constitutionality of the Fairness Doctrine > was > > > challenged in the 1969 case Red Lion v. FCC[7], > > involving a > > > religious broadcaster who was fined by the FCC > for not > > > providing a person criticized on the air an > > opportunity to > > > reply. The Supreme Court upheld the rule, > reasoning > > that > > > because broadcast frequencies were scarce, the > > government > > > may intervene in broadcast media in ways that > would > > not be > > > allowed toward traditional media, such as > newspapers. > > >=20 > > > The decision in Red Lion, however, has been > subject to > > > intense criticism.[8] And in 1987, the FCC > rescinded > > the > > > Fairness Doctrine, finding it to be contrary to > the > > > Constitution as well as bad policy.[9] In its > landmark > > > decision, the Commission wrote: > > >=20 > > > We believe that the role of the electronic press > in > > our > > > society is the same as that of the printed press. > Both > > are > > > sources of information and viewpoint. > Accordingly, the > > > reasons for proscribing government intrusion into > the > > > editorial discretion of print journalists provide > the > > same > > > basis for proscribing such interference into the > > editorial > > > discretion of broadcast journalists. [10] > > >=20 > > > The FCC's decision to rescind the doctrine > was > > later > > > upheld by a federal appeals court. In so doing, > > however, the > > > court did not pass judgment on the > constitutionality > > of the > > > rule and instead relied on the FCC's policy > > findings > > > that it did not serve the public interest.[11] > > >=20 > > > Red Lion is still formally in place. But in years > > since, > > > the basic "spectrum scarcity" rationale > of > > Red > > > Lion (and thus the constitutionality of fairness > > rules) has > > > become ever weaker. Not only have new broadcast > > frequencies- > > > -such as the UHF television and FM radio > bands--been > > put > > > into use, but entirely new systems such as cable > TV > > and > > > satellite radio have been created, offering > consumers > > > hundreds of channels when before they only had a > > > handful.[12] And the Internet has made notions of > > scarcity > > > almost meaningless. [13] > > >=20 > > > At the same time, broadcasters- -especially radio > > > broadcasters- -became much more willing to air > > controversial > > > points of view, in large part because of the > repeal of > > the > > > FCC's fairness rule. Most notably, talk > radio, > > which had > > > been a relatively rare format, exploded in scope > and > > > popularity. In 1990, there were some 400 stations > with > > a > > > talk show format nationwide. By 2006, there were > more > > than > > > 1,400 stations devoted entirely to talk > formats.[14] > > > Programming shed its cottage cheese-like > character, as > > > controversial new hosts, such as Rush Limbaugh, > gained > > > airtime and the freedom to express strong > opinions and > > views > > > without fear of regulatory reprisal. According to > the > > > Project for Excellence in Journalism: > > >=20 > > > With the [Fairness] Doctrine's repeal, radio > shows > > > could become more one-sided, more free-wheeling, > > ideological > > > and political. And it didn't take long. One > of the > > first > > > to gain popularity under the new rules was a new > voice > > out > > > of California named Rush Limbaugh. Within a year > or > > two of > > > the new rules, Limbaugh's provocative > > denunciations of > > > Democrats became a phenomenon. Stations quickly > began > > to > > > pick up his syndicated show, and other > conservative > > names > > > followed his lead. Being controversial seemed a > > plus.[15] > > >=20 > > > Not all the changes, of course, were due to the > > Fairness > > > Doctrine repeal. Other factors, such as the rise > of FM > > > radio, were at work. But, as documented by > economists > > Thomas > > > Hazlett and David W. Sosa, the regulatory change > had a > > > substantial causal effect.[16] > > >=20 > > > Government-Enforced "Balance" > > >=20 > > > Many supporters of the Fairness Doctrine are > concerned > > > about this explosion of information because they > see > > it as > > > the wrong kind of information. Many are frankly > > concerned > > > about the amount of "conservative" > > programming, > > > especially in talk radio, and would like to see a > > different > > > balance. > > >=20 > > > Certainly, conservative- oriented talk radio has > been > > more > > > successful than left-leaning radio programming. > But > > > broadcasting is only one small part of > today's > > media > > > universe, which includes not just radio and > television > > > broadcasting but print, cable, and Internet > sources. > > > Conservatives have had no lock on opportunities, > even > > in > > > radio. Programming with a liberal bent, from > Mario > > > Cuomo's show to Air America, has been given > > > opportunities and will get more. > > >=20 > > > Moreover, arguments that the Fairness Doctrine is > > needed > > > because certain types of media are too > conservative, > > too > > > negative, too partisan, or too anything actually > > strengthen > > > the case against the regulation. Any law that is > > targeted at > > > media based on the content of what is being said > > raises > > > greater constitutional concerns and is much less > > likely to > > > pass constitutional muster--and for good reason. > > Regulating > > > speech in order to alter its content is exactly > the > > sort of > > > meddling that the First Amendment is meant to > > prohibit. It > > > is simply not the job of politicians to > > "correct" > > > the mix of opinions being expressed in the > marketplace > > of > > > ideas, even if--and especially if--they disagree > with > > those > > > opinions. > > >=20 > > > Conclusion > > >=20 > > > The Federal Communications Commission did the > right > > thing > > > 20 years ago in throwing this unnecessary, > > > counter-productive, and unwise restriction on > speech > > into > > > the regulatory dustbin. It should be left there. > To do > > > otherwise would be dangerous and obviously > > unconstitutional. > > >=20 > > > [1]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free > > > Speech," The American Conservative, April > 23, > > 2007, at > > > http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ > article3. > > html. > > >=20 > > > [2]Quoted in Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, > > > "Chilling the Internet? Lessons from FCC > > Regulation of > > > Radio Broadcasting, " Cato Institute Policy > > Analysis > > > No. 270, March 19, 1997. > > >=20 > > > [3]See "Her Royal Fairness, The American > > Spectator, > > > May 14, 2007, at http://www.spectato r.org/dsp_ > > article.asp? > > > art_id=3D11427. > > >=20 > > > [4]For general background on the development of > the > > rule, > > > see Museum of Broadcast Communications, > "Fairness > > > Doctrine" at http://www.museum. tv/archives/ > > > etv/F/htmlF/ fairnessdoct/ fairnessdoct. htm. > > >=20 > > > [5]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out Free > > > Speech," The American Conservative, April > 23, > > 2007, at > > > http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ > article3. > > html. > > >=20 > > > [6]Ibid. > > >=20 > > > [7]Red Lion v. FCC, 395 U.S. 367 (1969). > > >=20 > > > [8]See, e.g.., William Van Alstyne, The Mobius > Strip > > of the > > > First Amendment: Perspectives on Red Lion, 29 S. > > Carolina. > > > L. Rev. 539, 547-48 (1978) (listing many of the > > leading > > > articles in the first decade after the decision) > at > > > http://eprints. law.duke. edu/archive/ 00000564/ > > 01/29_S._ > > > C._L._Rev. _539_(1978-1979) . pdf. > > >=20 > > > [9]The agency had originally declined to consider > the > > > question of whether the rule was constitutional. > In > > early > > > 1987, however, a federal court held that the FCC > could > > not > > > enforce the doctrine unless it considered the > > constitutional > > > objections. Meredith v. FCC, 809 F. 2d 863 > (1987). > > >=20 > > > [10]Syracuse Peace Council, 2 FCC Reports 5043 > (1987). > > >=20 > > > [11]Syracuse Peace Council, 867 F. 2d 654 (D.C. > Cir. > > > (1989)). > > >=20 > > > [12]Many believe that due to these developments, > > combined > > > with the longstanding legal criticism of the Red > Lion > > case, > > > were it to be reconsidered today, it would be > decided > > > differently. A study published two years ago by > the > > FCC > > > itself makes this case convincingly. See, John W. > > > Berresford, "The Scarcity Rationale for > > Regulating > > > Traditional Broadcasting: An Idea Whose Time Has > > > Passed," FCC Media Bureau Staff Research > Paper, > > March > > > 2005, at http://hraunfoss. fcc.gov/edocs_ > > public/attachmat > > > ch/DOC-257534A1. pdf. > > >=20 > > > [13]See Adam D. Thierer, "The Media > > Cornucopia," > > > City Journal, Spring 2007, at http://www.city- > > journal.org/ > > > html/17_2_ media.html. > > >=20 > > > [14]Project on Excellence in Journalism, > "The > > State of > > > the News Media 2007: An Annual Report on American > > > Journalism, Talk Radio page, at > http://www.stateoft > > > henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ radio_talk_ > > radio.asp? > > > cat=3D8&media=3D 9. > > >=20 > > > [15]Project on Excellence in Journalism, > "The > > State of > > > the News Media 2007: An Annual Report on American > > > Journalism, Talk Radio page, at > http://www.stateoft > > > henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ radio_talk_ > > radio.asp? > > > cat=3D8&media=3D 9. > > >=20 > > > [16]Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, > "Was the > > > Fairness Doctrine a "Chilling Effect? > Evidence > > from the > > > Post-deregulation Radio Market," 26 Journal > of > > Legal > > > Studies 279 (1997). > > >=20 > > > Don > > >=20 > > > -- "Amy Mousie" com> > > > wrote: > > >=20 > > > This is proof positive that the abolition of the > > Fairness > > > Doctrine was > > > a Bad Idea-- > > >=20 > > > I can prove there are actually FEWER talk radio > > stations > > > today, > > > without the Fairness Doctrine than there were > with: > > Just > > > eliminate all > > > the bird-fed takers ands see how many are left. > > Chances > > > are, MUCH > > > fewer than when the Fairness Doctrine was > abolished. > > >=20 > > > Now, tell me- Was that a good thing? Did it > REALLY > > improve > > > diversity > > > of voices and ownership to abolish the Fairness > > Doctrine? I > > > don't > > > think it was, just as much as letting the RIAA > have > > free > > > reign over > > > royalty fees that have driven many statiuons from > > > broadcasting > > > anything beyond bird-fed programming. > > >=20 > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > >=20 > > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, george > russell > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Yup, the "cookie-cutter" programs. > One > > night > > > I sat in Durand, MI, > > > scanned > > > > the dial, and found 11 stations carrying > C2C, and > > over > > > a dozen > > > carrying ESPN...with a lousy car radio! My > stomach > > nearly > > > empties, > > > too! G=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 14:33:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44824 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 21:33:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 21:33:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 21:33:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96257 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 21:33:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:33:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:33:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <998987.33952.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <275477.96234.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=C7fD3FXL1xtpl-rllh80jHS2JoQffOhYPLLF38TEWvS3Hg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Congratulations, Powell! After all this political sparring with you (and I enjoy it), you have finally made a remark I have no idea how to respond to! Guess I BETTER be good...G --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:08 PM > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, george russell > wrote: > > > Oh good LORD! I see a whole new can of worms coming > on line > > with THAT revelation, LOL! Down in Censor-nati...uh, > I mean > > Cincinnati, they gave a couple of guys ninety days in > jail > > for that! > > Must be all those conservative programs on WLW keeping > the > > streets of the QUEEN City safe from anything that > might > > upset Mr. Falwell! > > Let me see if I understand > this...conservative=straight, > > liberal=gay...damn, I better go find me a boyfriend!!! > > (just kidding, PLEASE don't anybody ask me out, > > hah-hah!) > > G > > > There are those on the list that MIGHT, George so BE GOOD > !! > > > Powell From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 14:41:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14431 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 21:41:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 21:41:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.108) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 21:41:35 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n9.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 21:41:35 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.246] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 21:41:35 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 21:41:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 173452.2162.bm@omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 66621 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 21:41:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@72.161.198.171 with plain) by smtp127.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 21:41:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RUJ.G5kVM1nv96Awwg.IZa4Ny.vzeJT51jVKkg.R7hXNAfbIPmZ14LOtQqJC76GB_NCKo1w3kOp0onQct06Vd_J6z7wWfd7TzXDIixQzDUfx5nL4vrUm2QPGwNQ9JrheRw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <25265.71099.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <25265.71099.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <21141FB5-0E0D-4F9D-A1FE-357B4504EC20@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:41:33 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.108 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=XapiIo7PuqqtXtJ2xOsYQw8UOAa2ayfA2nkCiap_3pHNuQNH3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 5, 2008, at 4:20 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Perhaps! Ha! You know I had considered being a regular DJ a while > simply because I am in love wiht music and always have been. I > figure though that I still would love a talk show since I do love > people and love talking and debating. I am in for it as long as it pays. I am looking for a job here in the South and it ain't a thing of beauty right now. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 14:41:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66944 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 21:41:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 21:41:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 21:41:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10250 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 21:41:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:41:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:41:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <911355.81379.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <268773.10177.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=4KrkjFBdg8SUf1JBKwyoQw-ow6R9P_lSSHTy6MyKkX-O-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Uh-huh, those folks are everywhere, and I don't think the stereotype is a r= eliable indicator...or fair. Same here, quite a few friends, but most you'= d never know...unless of course they invited you home, hah-hah! I say to each their own, I'd be awful bored if the world was a bunch of coo= kie-cutter clones (You know, Like Cheap Channel stations), with everybody t= hinking, acting, and looking alike...scary thought! I know the "religious right" would love to legislate who somebody is allowe= d to love, but I doubt they will ever pull THAT off. What did Sly and the Family Stone sing..."different strokes for different f= olks"...sounds fair to me! I do see a potential for this topic going crazy...maybe a little levity is = a good thing with all the serious political stuff going on? George --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:17 PM > Hahaha......Powell are there gays in radio??=A0 LOL=A0 :o)=A0 > Yeah George I dont want em asking me out either!=A0 I'm > friends with a few though, some of my best friends > actually.=A0 You're right though, some people can't > handle them.=A0 It's just because they don't > understand them plain and simple.=A0 If they tried to get to > know someone they'd find that those folks are just like > them.=A0 They just like something different under the > covers.=A0 hehehhe > =A0 > =A0 >=20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Powell E. Way III > wrote: >=20 > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:08 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, george russell com> wrote: >=20 > > Oh good LORD! I see a whole new can of worms coming on > line > > with THAT revelation, LOL! Down in Censor-nati. ..uh, > I mean > > Cincinnati, they gave a couple of guys ninety days in > jail > > for that! > > Must be all those conservative programs on WLW keeping > the > > streets of the QUEEN City safe from anything that > might > > upset Mr. Falwell!=20 > > Let me see if I understand this...conservative > =3Dstraight, > > liberal=3Dgay. ..damn, I better go find me a > boyfriend!!! > > (just kidding, PLEASE don't anybody ask me out, > > hah-hah!) > > G >=20 > There are those on the list that MIGHT, George so BE GOOD > !!=20 >=20 > Powell >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 14:43:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55556 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 21:43:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 21:43:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 21:43:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 97425 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 21:43:27 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:43:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:43:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <547159.5471.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <822123.97023.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} XEROK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=5kbhZ6He82YshUHJrElV6n_heLRSVYnVmmL2D7kXMRY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/5/08, george russell wrote: > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} XEROK >> Makes sense, plus CKLW has a bit of a null towards my > favorite listening spot...but I still wonder why they have 3 > DX-50s...that mystery is going to haunt me tonight...G 2 to run 100KW and 1 reserve. Powell From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 14:44:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56685 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 21:44:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 21:44:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 21:44:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 71959 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 21:43:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:43:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:43:56 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <25265.71099.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <820858.71766.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=hxR-RRT3GvGj01bmiL06pLnXKVswfRh1nYOspaOH7ZpOVA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Spoken like a REAL American...God bless you! G --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:20 PM > Perhaps!=A0 Ha!=A0 You know I had considered being a regular > DJ a while simply because I am in love wiht music and always > have been.=A0 I figure though that I still would love a talk > show since I do love people and love talking and debating.=A0 > It's a lot of fun.=A0 I believe in what I believe in but > I respect someones right to think differently.=A0 We just > agree to disagree.=A0 THAT is what real men do.=A0 It would be > nicer if more people were that way these days.=A0 Ultimately > many times though people get in all out fights over stuff > and thats not what a gentleman does.=A0 True gentlemen can > disagree yet still go out for a beer together.=A0 We need > more of that in the world! > =A0 >=20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, george russell > wrote: >=20 > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:15 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > You and the other Kevin should be on Air America...I think > it would work > quite well! G >=20 > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke yahoo.co. uk> wrote: >=20 > > From: clemsonbloke > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:46 PM > > Oh I don't plan on letting anyone steal that from > me!=A0 > > I really don't care what people think about it!=A0 > Thats > > one thing that has never changed about me, i've > always > > said what I thought whether someone liked it or not! > > =A0 > > -Kevin > >=20 > >=20 > > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, george russell > > wrote: > >=20 > > From: george russell > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:43 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Bullseye! And as far as the working man goes, what > will > > happen when we have ALL been replaced? Will the > "chosen > > few", out of the kindness of their hearts, > provide for > > us like a bunch of pets? Not likely! > > That is when you will see serious efforts at > > "population engineering" > > start to take place. It's already been discussed > in > > high places.=20 > > It may not happen in my lifetime, but it breaks my > heart > > thinking about what our kids are going to have to deal > > with...God help them! > > Keep on thinking for yourself, Kevin! Some will not > like > > it, but it is the last thing the powerful haven't > > figured out a way to steal from you! > > George > >=20 > > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke > yahoo.co. uk> wrote: > >=20 > > > From: clemsonbloke uk> > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:40 AM > > > George, > > > =A0 > > > My father is a minister!=A0 Ha!=A0 A minister > i'm > > not but > > > I do believe in the things this country was > founded > > on, not > > > the modern version of this revisionist history.=A0 > I > > champion > > > the working man.=A0 It's scary when a few > > billionaires > > > run things!=A0 This is what i've been > > > "preaching" for a long time to close > > friends.=A0 We > > > are losing our country to this sick malaise we > are > > currently > > > under.=A0 As I said I lean more democrat but that > > doesn't > > > mean i'm a total lock stock and barrel > democrat.=A0 > > > I'm more a person who listens to both sides > then > > makes > > > up his mind.=A0 I don't agree with everything > the > > > democrats do.=A0 For one they need to support > offshore > > > drilling for the short term but I still believe > long > > term we > > > need to look at alternate fuels.=A0 In college it > was > > > explained and taught to us that the US has enough > oil > > that > > > we could survive for perhaps 200 years without > any > > help from > > > outside oil sources.=A0 That is WAY more than > enough > > time to > > > have researchers figuring > > > out a new alternate source of energy.=A0 They > should > > > approach it as we did the space program in the > > 1960's.=A0 > > > A large effort of the best scientists and > researchers > > and > > > put the money towards it.=A0 Thats our best hope > energy > > > wise.=A0 People in the US are starving and we run > off > > and > > > feed the rest of the world.=A0 While I support > helping > > lesser > > > nations I still think we should take care of our > > own.=A0 > > > There is absolutely NO reason anyone in this > country > > should > > > go without food or shelter.=A0 Those who think so > have > > more > > > money than sense.=A0 Lets not stray too far from > topic > > > though.=A0 I just wanted to show i'm not a > total > > dem lock > > > stock and barrel.=A0 If I were I wouldnt support > > offshore > > > drilling because I would think that somehow that > was > > going > > > to hurt the earth so much!=A0 Gee!=A0 Those people > are > > nuts > > > that think like that!=A0 Back to fairness doctrine > and > > lord > > > i'm rehashing so I wont say much but I think > we do > > need > > > to get back to it.=A0 As I stated earlier just > look > > > how things are so much more controlled now.=A0=20 > > > =A0 > > > -Kevin > > > =A0 > > >=20 > > > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, george russell > > > wrote: > > >=20 > > > From: george russell > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:54 PM > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Kevin, if you ever become a preacher, I'll > stuff > > the > > > offering plate! > > > That pretty well sums up what I and a LOT of > folks I > > know > > > believe. > > > BTW, it's not the Fox NEWS channel...it' > s the > > Fox > > > NOISE channel! > > > I too like to hear both sides, and make up my own > > mind. > > > Today, that is=20 > > > dangerous... if there is one thing the government > > fears > > > worse than an alien invasion, it's us > thinking for > > > ourselves! > > > Ever notice all the people who defend the current > > quagmire > > > have all their bills paid, a roof over their > head, and > > gas > > > in their car? Yeah, they may be in debt, but at > least > > they > > > are pretty sure where their next meal is coming > from. > > > I used to have a ministry with the homeless folk > in > > Mt. > > > Clemens, MI. where I and a couple friends would > buy a > > few > > > pizzas and go down to the riverbank and share > them, > > and just > > > sit and talk with these people. > > > Common image of these folks is only PARTLY > > right...yes, > > > some are drug users, or too lazy to work, but we > also > > met > > > very intellegent people > > > who had lost it all, and only wanted a chance to > do an > > > honest day's work and earn their keep. But > who is > > going > > > to hire them? Who is going to let them use their > > shower to > > > get presentable for a job interview? WHEN is a > talk > > show > > > host with a roving microphone going to get THESE > > > PEOPLE'S take on the current affairs? My > guess is > > > never!!! Why do I give a damn? 2 reasons: (1) it > is > > hard not > > > to have compassion once you get to know some of > these > > folks, > > > and (2) > > > THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD GO I!!!] > > > If things don't turn around and pretty damn > fast, > > a lot > > > of people who are convinced that the system is > fine > > are in > > > for a very painful discovery. > > > When it is THEIR turn out in the cold, and nobody > will > > hire > > > them, I bet they will be singing a whole new > tune! > > > George > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, clemsonbloke > > > yahoo.co. uk> wrote: > > >=20 > > > > From: clemsonbloke yahoo.co. > > uk> > > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:50 AM > > > > I just graduated my degree in broadcasting > and we > > > studied > > > > this.=A0 Many people get the Fairness > Doctrine > > > wrongly.=A0 It > > > > was basically designed to insure that both > sides > > of a > > > story > > > > were presented such as democrats and > republicans > > would > > > get > > > > equal time to present their ideas.=A0 Very > unlike > > what > > > we > > > > have today where everything is dominated by > > republican > > > > cronies of the bush administration.=A0 I > truly > > believe > > > that > > > > any news or radio organization for that > matter is > > only > > > worth > > > > its salt if it provides both sides > equally.=A0 I > > > don't > > > > believe all the hot air these republicans > spew > > but I > > > DO want > > > > to hear them and what they have to say.=A0 I > would > > be > > > against > > > > an all democrat run operation too.=A0 I want > both > > > sides.=A0 I > > > > am educated enough to make up my own mind.=A0 > I > > > don't > > > > need that one lop sided crap that we have > today > > on > > > > republican crony radio.=A0 Fox news fair and > > balanced, > > > yeah > > > > right!=A0 They are fair and balanced=A0 > > conservative and > > > > republican, thats the two sides you get from > > > > those people.=A0 Anyone republican or > democrat who > > > wants to > > > > hear things one sided are just not well > informed, > > > educated, > > > > or open minded=A0for that matter.=A0 I believe > our > > whole > > > > system is based on checks and balances and I > > believe > > > the > > > > fairness doctrine as I studied it in college > > provided > > > that > > > > checks and balances system.=A0 I think we > need > > more of > > > > that.=A0 From what I can tell its only > republican > > folks > > > who > > > > dominate talk radio that do not want the > fairness > > > doctrine > > > > reinstated.=A0 Wonder why?=A0 Does it ever > make you > > > think?=A0 > > > > We've talked about local small town > radio.=A0 > > Well > > > there > > > > was tons more of that in the days of the > fairness > > > doctrine > > > > than there are now.=A0 You ever wonder why?=A0 > Do > > you > > > not > > > > think rich corporate america wants to > control the > > > > airwaves?=A0 You see they are being > controlled now > > by > > > one > > > > side.=A0 Rich corporate republican types who > do > > not > > > care for > > > > the working man.=A0 Sure they wanted the > fairness > > > doctrine > > > > taken away, that way they could spew their > one > > > > sided views on everything.=A0 They could buy > up > > all the > > > > stations and the hell with any other views, > they > > > didn't > > > > have to present them once the fairness > doctrine > > was > > > taken > > > > away.=A0 Too many people don't understand > > this.=A0 > > > > It's simple.=A0 It was placed so that > both > > sides > > > could be > > > > heard equally.=A0 I remember growing up when > it > > was in > > > > place.=A0 I used to like hearing both > sides.=A0 To > > me > > > its sad > > > > that we don't get both sides now.=A0 > Think > > folks! > > > > =A0 > > > > -Kevin > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, W6YN Don Milbury > > > > > > > wrote: > > > >=20 > > > > From: W6YN Don Milbury > > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 5:03 PM > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > Regulating speech in order to alter its > content > > is > > > exactly > > > > the sort of meddling that the First > Amendment is > > meant > > > to > > > > prohibit. > > > >=20 > > > > Should the fairness doctrine be reinstated, > the > > > possibility > > > > of a challenge even if the challenge > ultimately > > > failed, the > > > > cost of defending against it could be > substantial > > to > > > the > > > > extent that I would cancel all talk > programming > > from > > > my > > > > stations. I don't know what available > > programming > > > would > > > > attract the demographic audience that my > > customers > > > demand. > > > > It just may mean that my investment value > could > > be > > > radically > > > > diminished and a distressed property sale > may be > > the > > > result. > > > > Fortunately I purchased these sticks as > > > "distressed > > > > property" in the mid 80's so I may > not > > suffer > > > much > > > > of a loss. It's time for me to retire > anyway. > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > Policy discussion on the airwaves for > decades > > was, for > > > the > > > > most part, as bland as cottage cheese. In > > practice, > > > the > > > > so-called fairness doctrine was deeply > unfair. > > > >=20 > > > > Restricting free speech and government > controls > > on > > > media > > > > content is anathema to our constitutional > > guarantees > > > of free > > > > speech. Stalinists, of course, do not agree. > > > >=20 > > > > History always proves them wrong: > > > >=20 > > > > "Our massive strategy was to use the > > Fairness > > > Doctrine > > > > to challenge and harass right-wing > broadcasters > > and > > > hope the > > > > challenges would be so costly to them that > they > > would > > > be > > > > inhibited and decide it was too expensive to > > > continue." > > > >=20 > > > > --Bill Ruder, Democratic campaign consultant > and > > > Assistant > > > > Secretary of Commerce, Kennedy > Administration[ 1] > > > >=20 > > > > "The main thing is the Post is going to > have > > > damnable, > > > > damnable problems out of [its Watergate > > coverage]. > > > They have > > > > a television station...and they are going to > have > > to > > > get it > > > > renewed." > > > >=20 > > > > --President Richard Nixon[2] > > > >=20 > > > > Should the federal government mandate > > > "fairness" > > > > in broadcasting? "Yes," say some > > Members of > > > > Congress, including Speaker of the House > Nancy > > Pols, > > > who > > > > reportedly said this week that House leaders > > would > > > > "aggressively pursue" legislation > to > > > reinstate the > > > > "Fairness Doctrine."[3] Until it > was > > > abolished in > > > > 1987, this Federal Communications Commission > rule > > > required > > > > broadcasters to air all sides of > controversial > > issues. > > > >=20 > > > > At first glance, the rule may sound > innocuous. > > > Fairness is, > > > > after all, a basic American value. But as a > > matter of > > > > principle, any such government controls on > media > > > content is > > > > anathema to constitutional guarantees of > free > > speech. > > > And in > > > > practice, the so-called fairness doctrine > was > > deeply > > > unfair. > > > >=20 > > > > Dulling Down Broadcasting > > > >=20 > > > > Rather than foster full and fair discussion > of > > public > > > > issues, the real effect of the Fairness > Doctrine > > was > > > to > > > > discourage discussion of controversial > issues of > > any > > > kind. > > > > It's no coincidence that such media as > talk > > > > radio--virtually non-existent while the rule > was > > in > > > > place--flowered after its repeal. Rather > than the > > vast > > > > wasteland of bland muzak-like discussion it > was > > > before, > > > > broadcasting- - especially radio--has become > a > > > platform for > > > > vibrant and controversial debate on > countless > > issues. > > > >=20 > > > > The Fairness Doctrine was developed by the > FCC > > over a > > > long > > > > period, based on its broad authority under > the > > > > Communications Act to regulate the airwaves. > The > > rule > > > was > > > > first articulated in 1949, when television > was in > > its > > > > infancy and radio meant a handful of AM > stations > > in > > > each > > > > market. In its final form, the rule required > > > broadcasters to > > > > "afford reasonable opportunity for > > discussion of > > > > contrasting points of view on controversial > > matters of > > > > public importance." [4] > > > >=20 > > > > The vagueness of the standard left quite a > bit of > > > > uncertainty. What is a > "reasonable" > > > opportunity? > > > > How many "contrasting" views? > Station > > > managers > > > > whose programming ventured too far into > > controversial > > > > subjects could quite easily find themselves > > subject to > > > a > > > > fairness doctrine challenge. And even if the > > challenge > > > > ultimately failed, the cost of defending > against > > it > > > could be > > > > substantial. So the safe route for most was > to > > stay > > > far away > > > > from controversy. As a result, policy > discussion > > on > > > the > > > > airwaves for decades was, for the most part, > as > > bland > > > as > > > > cottage cheese. > > > >=20 > > > > Political Abuse > > > >=20 > > > > This "chilling" effect was > exacerbated > > by > > > > political abuse of the system. Politicians > of > > both > > > parties > > > > used the doctrine to further their political > > ends. > > > Political > > > > strategists for Kennedy and Johnson, for > example, > > > > consciously used the Fairness Doctrine to > cow > > > political > > > > opponents. According to statements from > party > > > activists, > > > > there was an explicit strategy to raise the > cost > > of > > > critical > > > > programming, and thus get it dropped > entirely. > > > > "Perhaps...our tactics were too > > aggressive," > > > one > > > > party operative is quoted as saying, > "but we > > were > > > up > > > > against ultra-right preachers who were > saying > > vicious > > > things > > > > about Kennedy and Johnson."[5] > > > >=20 > > > > The political use of the Fairness Doctrine > was > > brought > > > to > > > > new heights by President Richard Nixon. > According > > to > > > Jesse > > > > Walker of Reason magazine, "private > > activists > > > directed > > > > by the Republican National Committee > regularly > > filed > > > > Fairness Doctrine challenges against > stations > > whose > > > > reporting angered the White House."[6] > > > >=20 > > > > Demise of the Fairness Doctrine > > > >=20 > > > > The constitutionality of the Fairness > Doctrine > > was > > > > challenged in the 1969 case Red Lion v. > FCC[7], > > > involving a > > > > religious broadcaster who was fined by the > FCC > > for not > > > > providing a person criticized on the air an > > > opportunity to > > > > reply. The Supreme Court upheld the rule, > > reasoning > > > that > > > > because broadcast frequencies were scarce, > the > > > government > > > > may intervene in broadcast media in ways > that > > would > > > not be > > > > allowed toward traditional media, such as > > newspapers. > > > >=20 > > > > The decision in Red Lion, however, has been > > subject to > > > > intense criticism.[8] And in 1987, the FCC > > rescinded > > > the > > > > Fairness Doctrine, finding it to be contrary > to > > the > > > > Constitution as well as bad policy.[9] In > its > > landmark > > > > decision, the Commission wrote: > > > >=20 > > > > We believe that the role of the electronic > press > > in > > > our > > > > society is the same as that of the printed > press. > > Both > > > are > > > > sources of information and viewpoint. > > Accordingly, the > > > > reasons for proscribing government intrusion > into > > the > > > > editorial discretion of print journalists > provide > > the > > > same > > > > basis for proscribing such interference into > the > > > editorial > > > > discretion of broadcast journalists. [10] > > > >=20 > > > > The FCC's decision to rescind the > doctrine > > was > > > later > > > > upheld by a federal appeals court. In so > doing, > > > however, the > > > > court did not pass judgment on the > > constitutionality > > > of the > > > > rule and instead relied on the FCC's > policy > > > findings > > > > that it did not serve the public > interest.[11] > > > >=20 > > > > Red Lion is still formally in place. But in > years > > > since, > > > > the basic "spectrum scarcity" > rationale > > of > > > Red > > > > Lion (and thus the constitutionality of > fairness > > > rules) has > > > > become ever weaker. Not only have new > broadcast > > > frequencies- > > > > -such as the UHF television and FM radio > > bands--been > > > put > > > > into use, but entirely new systems such as > cable > > TV > > > and > > > > satellite radio have been created, offering > > consumers > > > > hundreds of channels when before they only > had a > > > > handful.[12] And the Internet has made > notions of > > > scarcity > > > > almost meaningless. [13] > > > >=20 > > > > At the same time, broadcasters- -especially > radio > > > > broadcasters- -became much more willing to > air > > > controversial > > > > points of view, in large part because of the > > repeal of > > > the > > > > FCC's fairness rule. Most notably, talk > > radio, > > > which had > > > > been a relatively rare format, exploded in > scope > > and > > > > popularity. In 1990, there were some 400 > stations > > with > > > a > > > > talk show format nationwide. By 2006, there > were > > more > > > than > > > > 1,400 stations devoted entirely to talk > > formats.[14] > > > > Programming shed its cottage cheese-like > > character, as > > > > controversial new hosts, such as Rush > Limbaugh, > > gained > > > > airtime and the freedom to express strong > > opinions and > > > views > > > > without fear of regulatory reprisal. > According to > > the > > > > Project for Excellence in Journalism: > > > >=20 > > > > With the [Fairness] Doctrine's repeal, > radio > > shows > > > > could become more one-sided, more > free-wheeling, > > > ideological > > > > and political. And it didn't take long. > One > > of the > > > first > > > > to gain popularity under the new rules was a > new > > voice > > > out > > > > of California named Rush Limbaugh. Within a > year > > or > > > two of > > > > the new rules, Limbaugh's provocative > > > denunciations of > > > > Democrats became a phenomenon. Stations > quickly > > began > > > to > > > > pick up his syndicated show, and other > > conservative > > > names > > > > followed his lead. Being controversial > seemed a > > > plus.[15] > > > >=20 > > > > Not all the changes, of course, were due to > the > > > Fairness > > > > Doctrine repeal. Other factors, such as the > rise > > of FM > > > > radio, were at work. But, as documented by > > economists > > > Thomas > > > > Hazlett and David W. Sosa, the regulatory > change > > had a > > > > substantial causal effect.[16] > > > >=20 > > > > Government-Enforced "Balance" > > > >=20 > > > > Many supporters of the Fairness Doctrine are > > concerned > > > > about this explosion of information because > they > > see > > > it as > > > > the wrong kind of information. Many are > frankly > > > concerned > > > > about the amount of "conservative" > > > programming, > > > > especially in talk radio, and would like to > see a > > > different > > > > balance. > > > >=20 > > > > Certainly, conservative- oriented talk radio > has > > been > > > more > > > > successful than left-leaning radio > programming. > > But > > > > broadcasting is only one small part of > > today's > > > media > > > > universe, which includes not just radio and > > television > > > > broadcasting but print, cable, and Internet > > sources. > > > > Conservatives have had no lock on > opportunities, > > even > > > in > > > > radio. Programming with a liberal bent, from > > Mario > > > > Cuomo's show to Air America, has been > given > > > > opportunities and will get more. > > > >=20 > > > > Moreover, arguments that the Fairness > Doctrine is > > > needed > > > > because certain types of media are too > > conservative, > > > too > > > > negative, too partisan, or too anything > actually > > > strengthen > > > > the case against the regulation. Any law > that is > > > targeted at > > > > media based on the content of what is being > said > > > raises > > > > greater constitutional concerns and is much > less > > > likely to > > > > pass constitutional muster--and for good > reason. > > > Regulating > > > > speech in order to alter its content is > exactly > > the > > > sort of > > > > meddling that the First Amendment is meant > to > > > prohibit. It > > > > is simply not the job of politicians to > > > "correct" > > > > the mix of opinions being expressed in the > > marketplace > > > of > > > > ideas, even if--and especially if--they > disagree > > with > > > those > > > > opinions. > > > >=20 > > > > Conclusion > > > >=20 > > > > The Federal Communications Commission did > the > > right > > > thing > > > > 20 years ago in throwing this unnecessary, > > > > counter-productive, and unwise restriction > on > > speech > > > into > > > > the regulatory dustbin. It should be left > there. > > To do > > > > otherwise would be dangerous and obviously > > > unconstitutional. > > > >=20 > > > > [1]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out > Free > > > > Speech," The American Conservative, > April > > 23, > > > 2007, at > > > > http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ > > article3. > > > html. > > > >=20 > > > > [2]Quoted in Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. > Sosa, > > > > "Chilling the Internet? Lessons from > FCC > > > Regulation of > > > > Radio Broadcasting, " Cato Institute > Policy > > > Analysis > > > > No. 270, March 19, 1997. > > > >=20 > > > > [3]See "Her Royal Fairness, The > American > > > Spectator, > > > > May 14, 2007, at http://www.spectato > r.org/dsp_ > > > article.asp? > > > > art_id=3D11427. > > > >=20 > > > > [4]For general background on the development > of > > the > > > rule, > > > > see Museum of Broadcast Communications, > > "Fairness > > > > Doctrine" at http://www.museum. > tv/archives/ > > > > etv/F/htmlF/ fairnessdoct/ fairnessdoct. > htm. > > > >=20 > > > > [5]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out > Free > > > > Speech," The American Conservative, > April > > 23, > > > 2007, at > > > > http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ > > article3. > > > html. > > > >=20 > > > > [6]Ibid. > > > >=20 > > > > [7]Red Lion v. FCC, 395 U.S. 367 (1969). > > > >=20 > > > > [8]See, e.g.., William Van Alstyne, The > Mobius > > Strip > > > of the > > > > First Amendment: Perspectives on Red Lion, > 29 S. > > > Carolina. > > > > L. Rev. 539, 547-48 (1978) (listing many of > the > > > leading > > > > articles in the first decade after the > decision) > > at > > > > http://eprints. law.duke. edu/archive/ > 00000564/ > > > 01/29_S._ > > > > C._L._Rev. _539_(1978-1979) . pdf. > > > >=20 > > > > [9]The agency had originally declined to > consider > > the > > > > question of whether the rule was > constitutional. > > In > > > early > > > > 1987, however, a federal court held that the > FCC > > could > > > not > > > > enforce the doctrine unless it considered > the > > > constitutional > > > > objections. Meredith v. FCC, 809 F. 2d 863 > > (1987). > > > >=20 > > > > [10]Syracuse Peace Council, 2 FCC Reports > 5043 > > (1987). > > > >=20 > > > > [11]Syracuse Peace Council, 867 F. 2d 654 > (D.C. > > Cir. > > > > (1989)). > > > >=20 > > > > [12]Many believe that due to these > developments, > > > combined > > > > with the longstanding legal criticism of the > Red > > Lion > > > case, > > > > were it to be reconsidered today, it would > be > > decided > > > > differently. A study published two years ago > by > > the > > > FCC > > > > itself makes this case convincingly. See, > John W. > > > > Berresford, "The Scarcity Rationale for > > > Regulating > > > > Traditional Broadcasting: An Idea Whose Time > Has > > > > Passed," FCC Media Bureau Staff > Research > > Paper, > > > March > > > > 2005, at http://hraunfoss. fcc.gov/edocs_ > > > public/attachmat > > > > ch/DOC-257534A1. pdf. > > > >=20 > > > > [13]See Adam D. Thierer, "The Media > > > Cornucopia," > > > > City Journal, Spring 2007, at > http://www.city- > > > journal.org/ > > > > html/17_2_ media.html. > > > >=20 > > > > [14]Project on Excellence in Journalism, > > "The > > > State of > > > > the News Media 2007: An Annual Report on > American > > > > Journalism, Talk Radio page, at > > http://www.stateoft > > > > henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ > radio_talk_ > > > radio.asp? > > > > cat=3D8&media=3D 9. > > > >=20 > > > > [15]Project on Excellence in Journalism, > > "The > > > State of > > > > the News Media 2007: An Annual Report on > American > > > > Journalism, Talk Radio page, at > > http://www.stateoft > > > > henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ > radio_talk_ > > > radio.asp? > > > > cat=3D8&media=3D 9. > > > >=20 > > > > [16]Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, > > "Was the > > > > Fairness Doctrine a "Chilling Effect? > > Evidence > > > from the > > > > Post-deregulation Radio Market," 26 > Journal > > of > > > Legal > > > > Studies 279 (1997). > > > >=20 > > > > Don > > > >=20 > > > > -- "Amy Mousie" > > com> > > > > wrote: > > > >=20 > > > > This is proof positive that the abolition of > the > > > Fairness > > > > Doctrine was > > > > a Bad Idea-- > > > >=20 > > > > I can prove there are actually FEWER talk > radio > > > stations > > > > today, > > > > without the Fairness Doctrine than there > were > > with: > > > Just > > > > eliminate all > > > > the bird-fed takers ands see how many are > left. > > > Chances > > > > are, MUCH > > > > fewer than when the Fairness Doctrine was > > abolished. > > > >=20 > > > > Now, tell me- Was that a good thing? Did it > > REALLY > > > improve > > > > diversity > > > > of voices and ownership to abolish the > Fairness > > > Doctrine? I > > > > don't > > > > think it was, just as much as letting the > RIAA > > have > > > free > > > > reign over > > > > royalty fees that have driven many statiuons > from > > > > broadcasting > > > > anything beyond bird-fed programming. > > > >=20 > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > >=20 > > > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, > george > > russell > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yup, the "cookie-cutter" > programs. > > One > > > night > > > > I sat in Durand, MI, > > > > scanned > > > > > the dial, and found 11 stations > carrying > > C2C, and > > > over > > > > a dozen > > > > carrying ESPN...with a lousy car radio! My > > stomach > > > nearly > > > > empties, > > > > too! G=20 > > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 14:45:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91392 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 21:45:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 21:45:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 21:45:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29003 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 21:45:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:45:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:45:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <21141FB5-0E0D-4F9D-A1FE-357B4504EC20@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <362869.28006.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=vUmsMUUaTxZMqqPUIad0gMAbpp8VntN7kvCBWIcWTluGSA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Don't give up...chances are far worse up here in the cold-zone! G --- On Tue, 8/5/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:41 PM > On Aug 5, 2008, at 4:20 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > > > Perhaps! Ha! You know I had considered being a > regular DJ a while > > simply because I am in love wiht music and always have > been. I > > figure though that I still would love a talk show > since I do love > > people and love talking and debating. > > I am in for it as long as it pays. I am looking for a job > here in the > South and it ain't a thing of beauty right now. > > Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 14:47:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78761 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 21:47:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 21:47:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.86.156) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 21:47:56 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n8.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 21:47:56 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.252] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 21:47:56 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp413.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 21:47:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 124658.18902.bm@omp413.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 73714 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 21:47:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@72.161.198.171 with plain) by smtp121.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 21:47:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LGUU6wIVM1nLbXtHrVDbyhsd1yIUMCKRhyybkqro8XpopumlAPNg8BMDzX0YthHOVIJPVgRFqqGXQnH0wwS4dEgEZAdud4CcSpuByktLhFJyrN1RLQHqP2jDYNsmLNTH2g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <362869.28006.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <362869.28006.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8B510A8C-D18F-4E51-BCF8-37212539C4C3@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:47:53 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.86.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=AoHix_Ij-pxV3OhuG5KGbzQ0e-5CdPfOq2lJXZrzOLkr6Zf1BQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 5, 2008, at 4:45 PM, george russell wrote: > Don't give up...chances are far worse up here in the cold-zone! G Jobs are as scarce as AM stereo and liberal radio down here. Sometimes it makes me wonder if I ain't a gonna make it. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 14:54:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65686 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 21:54:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 21:54:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.125.210) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 21:54:08 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n11.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 21:54:08 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.70] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 21:54:08 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 21:54:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 158634.88425.bm@omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 92062 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 21:54:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@72.161.198.171 with plain) by smtp124.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 21:54:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YzJYS4EVM1ldYAwoJxobwnC8gwEYhIu3yQlrhgimEYmzDpQ6lZVUHDY1AS2Q2opJjAIkQXMas977vC_yiNJOsyvRDTqPsu_izyumu4QXP.CfjomRVe9aWW72CYaMlaetOg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <62F67EA0-FCB4-46A2-9E5A-B05846DA3D8B@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:54:06 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.125.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Powell's mail X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=-XA02QU3Xa7e4dD2iNx2tGKBShddHiCTkSOMJJfIGujvW-xA0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla For some reason I am not getting mail from Powell Way on this forum I see the replies but not the actual mail. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 14:56:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96166 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 21:56:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 21:56:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 21:56:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 76863 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 21:56:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:56:44 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:56:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8B510A8C-D18F-4E51-BCF8-37212539C4C3@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <786481.76740.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=h1sxDMx1TtrPyYM430j_B-o1JFMqfMIEU6QvH_m2lZ4LUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Show them some of the stuff you write on this forum...I'm tellin' ya, it is GOOD talk show stuff! There is a friend of mine I have been BEGGING to consider talk radio for years, he has all the vehemence of Flush, the wisdom of Yoda, and the perserverence in getting to the bottom of things of JOB! But at 77, he says it's too late...what a waste! He is VERY liberal, and he preaches to any crowd he can corner at the railway depot. We've dubbed him (deep breath here), Reverend Brother Pastor Deacon Dr. Bishop Elder Dave Hilton, Ph.D. of B.S. Every since we titled him, the crowds have grown at the Durand Union Station and Little Temple of Truth!!! Seriously, don't give up, and good luck to ya! George --- On Tue, 8/5/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:47 PM > On Aug 5, 2008, at 4:45 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Don't give up...chances are far worse up here in > the cold-zone! G > > Jobs are as scarce as AM stereo and liberal radio down > here. > > Sometimes it makes me wonder if I ain't a gonna make > it. > > Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Tue Aug 05 15:01:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21671 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 22:01:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 22:01:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 22:01:31 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail08.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.148]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEKTVPAAAG429J for (sender ); Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:01:04 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD4kZXgzbXUHOvt/47zn4tlI= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail08.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NRU48JY8; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:00:22 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.244.200] by webmail08.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:59:40 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:59:40 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080805.145940.1236.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 400:200:1524068786 X-MAIL-INFO:2c657de19518dd15cdf575a9a9a905f559f9419dc1599178c1b5d9d84dd88968ac4c2921294c412949390c3c3c2c59e5b1fc2cec19fc8c08d5bdc961a129bd8db978790ca5bcb8c569b139b8819539812d580cb84135 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.148|webmail08.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=BRYUfE7k5lQbj2IipAamTtr55Pl200xrO4hKHOeCUA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Now that it is all done. It was almost like listening to C2C. I may not always agree with all of you but I will defend your right to be i= nane and specious.=20 Don -- george russell wrote: Spoken like a REAL American...God bless you! G --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:20 PM > Perhaps! Ha! You know I had considered being a regular > DJ a while simply because I am in love wiht music and always > have been. I figure though that I still would love a talk > show since I do love people and love talking and debating.=20 > It's a lot of fun. I believe in what I believe in but > I respect someones right to think differently. We just > agree to disagree. THAT is what real men do. It would be > nicer if more people were that way these days. Ultimately > many times though people get in all out fights over stuff > and thats not what a gentleman does. True gentlemen can > disagree yet still go out for a beer together. We need > more of that in the world! >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, george russell > wrote: >=20 > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:15 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > You and the other Kevin should be on Air America...I think > it would work > quite well! G >=20 > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke yahoo.co. uk> wrote: >=20 > > From: clemsonbloke > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:46 PM > > Oh I don't plan on letting anyone steal that from > me!=20 > > I really don't care what people think about it!=20 > Thats > > one thing that has never changed about me, i've > always > > said what I thought whether someone liked it or not! > >=20=20 > > -Kevin > >=20 > >=20 > > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, george russell > > wrote: > >=20 > > From: george russell > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:43 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Bullseye! And as far as the working man goes, what > will > > happen when we have ALL been replaced? Will the > "chosen > > few", out of the kindness of their hearts, > provide for > > us like a bunch of pets? Not likely! > > That is when you will see serious efforts at > > "population engineering" > > start to take place. It's already been discussed > in > > high places.=20 > > It may not happen in my lifetime, but it breaks my > heart > > thinking about what our kids are going to have to deal > > with...God help them! > > Keep on thinking for yourself, Kevin! Some will not > like > > it, but it is the last thing the powerful haven't > > figured out a way to steal from you! > > George > >=20 > > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke > yahoo.co. uk> wrote: > >=20 > > > From: clemsonbloke uk> > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:40 AM > > > George, > > >=20=20 > > > My father is a minister! Ha! A minister > i'm > > not but > > > I do believe in the things this country was > founded > > on, not > > > the modern version of this revisionist history.=20 > I > > champion > > > the working man. It's scary when a few > > billionaires > > > run things! This is what i've been > > > "preaching" for a long time to close > > friends. We > > > are losing our country to this sick malaise we > are > > currently > > > under. As I said I lean more democrat but that > > doesn't > > > mean i'm a total lock stock and barrel > democrat.=20 > > > I'm more a person who listens to both sides > then > > makes > > > up his mind. I don't agree with everything > the > > > democrats do. For one they need to support > offshore > > > drilling for the short term but I still believe > long > > term we > > > need to look at alternate fuels. In college it > was > > > explained and taught to us that the US has enough > oil > > that > > > we could survive for perhaps 200 years without > any > > help from > > > outside oil sources. That is WAY more than > enough > > time to > > > have researchers figuring > > > out a new alternate source of energy. They > should > > > approach it as we did the space program in the > > 1960's.=20 > > > A large effort of the best scientists and > researchers > > and > > > put the money towards it. Thats our best hope > energy > > > wise. People in the US are starving and we run > off > > and > > > feed the rest of the world. While I support > helping > > lesser > > > nations I still think we should take care of our > > own.=20 > > > There is absolutely NO reason anyone in this > country > > should > > > go without food or shelter. Those who think so > have > > more > > > money than sense. Lets not stray too far from > topic > > > though. I just wanted to show i'm not a > total > > dem lock > > > stock and barrel. If I were I wouldnt support > > offshore > > > drilling because I would think that somehow that > was > > going > > > to hurt the earth so much! Gee! Those people > are > > nuts > > > that think like that! Back to fairness doctrine > and > > lord > > > i'm rehashing so I wont say much but I think > we do > > need > > > to get back to it. As I stated earlier just > look > > > how things are so much more controlled now.=20=20 > > >=20=20 > > > -Kevin > > >=20=20 > > >=20 > > > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, george russell > > > wrote: > > >=20 > > > From: george russell > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:54 PM > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Kevin, if you ever become a preacher, I'll > stuff > > the > > > offering plate! > > > That pretty well sums up what I and a LOT of > folks I > > know > > > believe. > > > BTW, it's not the Fox NEWS channel...it' > s the > > Fox > > > NOISE channel! > > > I too like to hear both sides, and make up my own > > mind. > > > Today, that is=20 > > > dangerous... if there is one thing the government > > fears > > > worse than an alien invasion, it's us > thinking for > > > ourselves! > > > Ever notice all the people who defend the current > > quagmire > > > have all their bills paid, a roof over their > head, and > > gas > > > in their car? Yeah, they may be in debt, but at > least > > they > > > are pretty sure where their next meal is coming > from. > > > I used to have a ministry with the homeless folk > in > > Mt. > > > Clemens, MI. where I and a couple friends would > buy a > > few > > > pizzas and go down to the riverbank and share > them, > > and just > > > sit and talk with these people. > > > Common image of these folks is only PARTLY > > right...yes, > > > some are drug users, or too lazy to work, but we > also > > met > > > very intellegent people > > > who had lost it all, and only wanted a chance to > do an > > > honest day's work and earn their keep. But > who is > > going > > > to hire them? Who is going to let them use their > > shower to > > > get presentable for a job interview? WHEN is a > talk > > show > > > host with a roving microphone going to get THESE > > > PEOPLE'S take on the current affairs? My > guess is > > > never!!! Why do I give a damn? 2 reasons: (1) it > is > > hard not > > > to have compassion once you get to know some of > these > > folks, > > > and (2) > > > THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD GO I!!!] > > > If things don't turn around and pretty damn > fast, > > a lot > > > of people who are convinced that the system is > fine > > are in > > > for a very painful discovery. > > > When it is THEIR turn out in the cold, and nobody > will > > hire > > > them, I bet they will be singing a whole new > tune! > > > George > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, clemsonbloke > > > yahoo.co. uk> wrote: > > >=20 > > > > From: clemsonbloke yahoo.co. > > uk> > > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:50 AM > > > > I just graduated my degree in broadcasting > and we > > > studied > > > > this. Many people get the Fairness > Doctrine > > > wrongly. It > > > > was basically designed to insure that both > sides > > of a > > > story > > > > were presented such as democrats and > republicans > > would > > > get > > > > equal time to present their ideas. Very > unlike > > what > > > we > > > > have today where everything is dominated by > > republican > > > > cronies of the bush administration. I > truly > > believe > > > that > > > > any news or radio organization for that > matter is > > only > > > worth > > > > its salt if it provides both sides > equally. I > > > don't > > > > believe all the hot air these republicans > spew > > but I > > > DO want > > > > to hear them and what they have to say. I > would > > be > > > against > > > > an all democrat run operation too. I want > both > > > sides. I > > > > am educated enough to make up my own mind.=20 > I > > > don't > > > > need that one lop sided crap that we have > today > > on > > > > republican crony radio. Fox news fair and > > balanced, > > > yeah > > > > right! They are fair and balanced=20 > > conservative and > > > > republican, thats the two sides you get from > > > > those people. Anyone republican or > democrat who > > > wants to > > > > hear things one sided are just not well > informed, > > > educated, > > > > or open minded for that matter. I believe > our > > whole > > > > system is based on checks and balances and I > > believe > > > the > > > > fairness doctrine as I studied it in college > > provided > > > that > > > > checks and balances system. I think we > need > > more of > > > > that. From what I can tell its only > republican > > folks > > > who > > > > dominate talk radio that do not want the > fairness > > > doctrine > > > > reinstated. Wonder why? Does it ever > make you > > > think?=20 > > > > We've talked about local small town > radio.=20 > > Well > > > there > > > > was tons more of that in the days of the > fairness > > > doctrine > > > > than there are now. You ever wonder why?=20 > Do > > you > > > not > > > > think rich corporate america wants to > control the > > > > airwaves? You see they are being > controlled now > > by > > > one > > > > side. Rich corporate republican types who > do > > not > > > care for > > > > the working man. Sure they wanted the > fairness > > > doctrine > > > > taken away, that way they could spew their > one > > > > sided views on everything. They could buy > up > > all the > > > > stations and the hell with any other views, > they > > > didn't > > > > have to present them once the fairness > doctrine > > was > > > taken > > > > away. Too many people don't understand > > this.=20 > > > > It's simple. It was placed so that > both > > sides > > > could be > > > > heard equally. I remember growing up when > it > > was in > > > > place. I used to like hearing both > sides. To > > me > > > its sad > > > > that we don't get both sides now.=20 > Think > > folks! > > > >=20=20 > > > > -Kevin > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, W6YN Don Milbury > > > > > > > wrote: > > > >=20 > > > > From: W6YN Don Milbury > > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 5:03 PM > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > Regulating speech in order to alter its > content > > is > > > exactly > > > > the sort of meddling that the First > Amendment is > > meant > > > to > > > > prohibit. > > > >=20 > > > > Should the fairness doctrine be reinstated, > the > > > possibility > > > > of a challenge even if the challenge > ultimately > > > failed, the > > > > cost of defending against it could be > substantial > > to > > > the > > > > extent that I would cancel all talk > programming > > from > > > my > > > > stations. I don't know what available > > programming > > > would > > > > attract the demographic audience that my > > customers > > > demand. > > > > It just may mean that my investment value > could > > be > > > radically > > > > diminished and a distressed property sale > may be > > the > > > result. > > > > Fortunately I purchased these sticks as > > > "distressed > > > > property" in the mid 80's so I may > not > > suffer > > > much > > > > of a loss. It's time for me to retire > anyway. > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > Policy discussion on the airwaves for > decades > > was, for > > > the > > > > most part, as bland as cottage cheese. In > > practice, > > > the > > > > so-called fairness doctrine was deeply > unfair. > > > >=20 > > > > Restricting free speech and government > controls > > on > > > media > > > > content is anathema to our constitutional > > guarantees > > > of free > > > > speech. Stalinists, of course, do not agree. > > > >=20 > > > > History always proves them wrong: > > > >=20 > > > > "Our massive strategy was to use the > > Fairness > > > Doctrine > > > > to challenge and harass right-wing > broadcasters > > and > > > hope the > > > > challenges would be so costly to them that > they > > would > > > be > > > > inhibited and decide it was too expensive to > > > continue." > > > >=20 > > > > --Bill Ruder, Democratic campaign consultant > and > > > Assistant > > > > Secretary of Commerce, Kennedy > Administration[ 1] > > > >=20 > > > > "The main thing is the Post is going to > have > > > damnable, > > > > damnable problems out of [its Watergate > > coverage]. > > > They have > > > > a television station...and they are going to > have > > to > > > get it > > > > renewed." > > > >=20 > > > > --President Richard Nixon[2] > > > >=20 > > > > Should the federal government mandate > > > "fairness" > > > > in broadcasting? "Yes," say some > > Members of > > > > Congress, including Speaker of the House > Nancy > > Pols, > > > who > > > > reportedly said this week that House leaders > > would > > > > "aggressively pursue" legislation > to > > > reinstate the > > > > "Fairness Doctrine."[3] Until it > was > > > abolished in > > > > 1987, this Federal Communications Commission > rule > > > required > > > > broadcasters to air all sides of > controversial > > issues. > > > >=20 > > > > At first glance, the rule may sound > innocuous. > > > Fairness is, > > > > after all, a basic American value. But as a > > matter of > > > > principle, any such government controls on > media > > > content is > > > > anathema to constitutional guarantees of > free > > speech. > > > And in > > > > practice, the so-called fairness doctrine > was > > deeply > > > unfair. > > > >=20 > > > > Dulling Down Broadcasting > > > >=20 > > > > Rather than foster full and fair discussion > of > > public > > > > issues, the real effect of the Fairness > Doctrine > > was > > > to > > > > discourage discussion of controversial > issues of > > any > > > kind. > > > > It's no coincidence that such media as > talk > > > > radio--virtually non-existent while the rule > was > > in > > > > place--flowered after its repeal. Rather > than the > > vast > > > > wasteland of bland muzak-like discussion it > was > > > before, > > > > broadcasting- - especially radio--has become > a > > > platform for > > > > vibrant and controversial debate on > countless > > issues. > > > >=20 > > > > The Fairness Doctrine was developed by the > FCC > > over a > > > long > > > > period, based on its broad authority under > the > > > > Communications Act to regulate the airwaves. > The > > rule > > > was > > > > first articulated in 1949, when television > was in > > its > > > > infancy and radio meant a handful of AM > stations > > in > > > each > > > > market. In its final form, the rule required > > > broadcasters to > > > > "afford reasonable opportunity for > > discussion of > > > > contrasting points of view on controversial > > matters of > > > > public importance." [4] > > > >=20 > > > > The vagueness of the standard left quite a > bit of > > > > uncertainty. What is a > "reasonable" > > > opportunity? > > > > How many "contrasting" views? > Station > > > managers > > > > whose programming ventured too far into > > controversial > > > > subjects could quite easily find themselves > > subject to > > > a > > > > fairness doctrine challenge. And even if the > > challenge > > > > ultimately failed, the cost of defending > against > > it > > > could be > > > > substantial. So the safe route for most was > to > > stay > > > far away > > > > from controversy. As a result, policy > discussion > > on > > > the > > > > airwaves for decades was, for the most part, > as > > bland > > > as > > > > cottage cheese. > > > >=20 > > > > Political Abuse > > > >=20 > > > > This "chilling" effect was > exacerbated > > by > > > > political abuse of the system. Politicians > of > > both > > > parties > > > > used the doctrine to further their political > > ends. > > > Political > > > > strategists for Kennedy and Johnson, for > example, > > > > consciously used the Fairness Doctrine to > cow > > > political > > > > opponents. According to statements from > party > > > activists, > > > > there was an explicit strategy to raise the > cost > > of > > > critical > > > > programming, and thus get it dropped > entirely. > > > > "Perhaps...our tactics were too > > aggressive," > > > one > > > > party operative is quoted as saying, > "but we > > were > > > up > > > > against ultra-right preachers who were > saying > > vicious > > > things > > > > about Kennedy and Johnson."[5] > > > >=20 > > > > The political use of the Fairness Doctrine > was > > brought > > > to > > > > new heights by President Richard Nixon. > According > > to > > > Jesse > > > > Walker of Reason magazine, "private > > activists > > > directed > > > > by the Republican National Committee > regularly > > filed > > > > Fairness Doctrine challenges against > stations > > whose > > > > reporting angered the White House."[6] > > > >=20 > > > > Demise of the Fairness Doctrine > > > >=20 > > > > The constitutionality of the Fairness > Doctrine > > was > > > > challenged in the 1969 case Red Lion v. > FCC[7], > > > involving a > > > > religious broadcaster who was fined by the > FCC > > for not > > > > providing a person criticized on the air an > > > opportunity to > > > > reply. The Supreme Court upheld the rule, > > reasoning > > > that > > > > because broadcast frequencies were scarce, > the > > > government > > > > may intervene in broadcast media in ways > that > > would > > > not be > > > > allowed toward traditional media, such as > > newspapers. > > > >=20 > > > > The decision in Red Lion, however, has been > > subject to > > > > intense criticism.[8] And in 1987, the FCC > > rescinded > > > the > > > > Fairness Doctrine, finding it to be contrary > to > > the > > > > Constitution as well as bad policy.[9] In > its > > landmark > > > > decision, the Commission wrote: > > > >=20 > > > > We believe that the role of the electronic > press > > in > > > our > > > > society is the same as that of the printed > press. > > Both > > > are > > > > sources of information and viewpoint. > > Accordingly, the > > > > reasons for proscribing government intrusion > into > > the > > > > editorial discretion of print journalists > provide > > the > > > same > > > > basis for proscribing such interference into > the > > > editorial > > > > discretion of broadcast journalists. [10] > > > >=20 > > > > The FCC's decision to rescind the > doctrine > > was > > > later > > > > upheld by a federal appeals court. In so > doing, > > > however, the > > > > court did not pass judgment on the > > constitutionality > > > of the > > > > rule and instead relied on the FCC's > policy > > > findings > > > > that it did not serve the public > interest.[11] > > > >=20 > > > > Red Lion is still formally in place. But in > years > > > since, > > > > the basic "spectrum scarcity" > rationale > > of > > > Red > > > > Lion (and thus the constitutionality of > fairness > > > rules) has > > > > become ever weaker. Not only have new > broadcast > > > frequencies- > > > > -such as the UHF television and FM radio > > bands--been > > > put > > > > into use, but entirely new systems such as > cable > > TV > > > and > > > > satellite radio have been created, offering > > consumers > > > > hundreds of channels when before they only > had a > > > > handful.[12] And the Internet has made > notions of > > > scarcity > > > > almost meaningless. [13] > > > >=20 > > > > At the same time, broadcasters- -especially > radio > > > > broadcasters- -became much more willing to > air > > > controversial > > > > points of view, in large part because of the > > repeal of > > > the > > > > FCC's fairness rule. Most notably, talk > > radio, > > > which had > > > > been a relatively rare format, exploded in > scope > > and > > > > popularity. In 1990, there were some 400 > stations > > with > > > a > > > > talk show format nationwide. By 2006, there > were > > more > > > than > > > > 1,400 stations devoted entirely to talk > > formats.[14] > > > > Programming shed its cottage cheese-like > > character, as > > > > controversial new hosts, such as Rush > Limbaugh, > > gained > > > > airtime and the freedom to express strong > > opinions and > > > views > > > > without fear of regulatory reprisal. > According to > > the > > > > Project for Excellence in Journalism: > > > >=20 > > > > With the [Fairness] Doctrine's repeal, > radio > > shows > > > > could become more one-sided, more > free-wheeling, > > > ideological > > > > and political. And it didn't take long. > One > > of the > > > first > > > > to gain popularity under the new rules was a > new > > voice > > > out > > > > of California named Rush Limbaugh. Within a > year > > or > > > two of > > > > the new rules, Limbaugh's provocative > > > denunciations of > > > > Democrats became a phenomenon. Stations > quickly > > began > > > to > > > > pick up his syndicated show, and other > > conservative > > > names > > > > followed his lead. Being controversial > seemed a > > > plus.[15] > > > >=20 > > > > Not all the changes, of course, were due to > the > > > Fairness > > > > Doctrine repeal. Other factors, such as the > rise > > of FM > > > > radio, were at work. But, as documented by > > economists > > > Thomas > > > > Hazlett and David W. Sosa, the regulatory > change > > had a > > > > substantial causal effect.[16] > > > >=20 > > > > Government-Enforced "Balance" > > > >=20 > > > > Many supporters of the Fairness Doctrine are > > concerned > > > > about this explosion of information because > they > > see > > > it as > > > > the wrong kind of information. Many are > frankly > > > concerned > > > > about the amount of "conservative" > > > programming, > > > > especially in talk radio, and would like to > see a > > > different > > > > balance. > > > >=20 > > > > Certainly, conservative- oriented talk radio > has > > been > > > more > > > > successful than left-leaning radio > programming. > > But > > > > broadcasting is only one small part of > > today's > > > media > > > > universe, which includes not just radio and > > television > > > > broadcasting but print, cable, and Internet > > sources. > > > > Conservatives have had no lock on > opportunities, > > even > > > in > > > > radio. Programming with a liberal bent, from > > Mario > > > > Cuomo's show to Air America, has been > given > > > > opportunities and will get more. > > > >=20 > > > > Moreover, arguments that the Fairness > Doctrine is > > > needed > > > > because certain types of media are too > > conservative, > > > too > > > > negative, too partisan, or too anything > actually > > > strengthen > > > > the case against the regulation. Any law > that is > > > targeted at > > > > media based on the content of what is being > said > > > raises > > > > greater constitutional concerns and is much > less > > > likely to > > > > pass constitutional muster--and for good > reason. > > > Regulating > > > > speech in order to alter its content is > exactly > > the > > > sort of > > > > meddling that the First Amendment is meant > to > > > prohibit. It > > > > is simply not the job of politicians to > > > "correct" > > > > the mix of opinions being expressed in the > > marketplace > > > of > > > > ideas, even if--and especially if--they > disagree > > with > > > those > > > > opinions. > > > >=20 > > > > Conclusion > > > >=20 > > > > The Federal Communications Commission did > the > > right > > > thing > > > > 20 years ago in throwing this unnecessary, > > > > counter-productive, and unwise restriction > on > > speech > > > into > > > > the regulatory dustbin. It should be left > there. > > To do > > > > otherwise would be dangerous and obviously > > > unconstitutional. > > > >=20 > > > > [1]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out > Free > > > > Speech," The American Conservative, > April > > 23, > > > 2007, at > > > > http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ > > article3. > > > html. > > > >=20 > > > > [2]Quoted in Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. > Sosa, > > > > "Chilling the Internet? Lessons from > FCC > > > Regulation of > > > > Radio Broadcasting, " Cato Institute > Policy > > > Analysis > > > > No. 270, March 19, 1997. > > > >=20 > > > > [3]See "Her Royal Fairness, The > American > > > Spectator, > > > > May 14, 2007, at http://www.spectato > r.org/dsp_ > > > article.asp? > > > > art_id=3D11427. > > > >=20 > > > > [4]For general background on the development > of > > the > > > rule, > > > > see Museum of Broadcast Communications, > > "Fairness > > > > Doctrine" at http://www.museum. > tv/archives/ > > > > etv/F/htmlF/ fairnessdoct/ fairnessdoct. > htm. > > > >=20 > > > > [5]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning Out > Free > > > > Speech," The American Conservative, > April > > 23, > > > 2007, at > > > > http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ 2007_04_23/ > > article3. > > > html. > > > >=20 > > > > [6]Ibid. > > > >=20 > > > > [7]Red Lion v. FCC, 395 U.S. 367 (1969). > > > >=20 > > > > [8]See, e.g.., William Van Alstyne, The > Mobius > > Strip > > > of the > > > > First Amendment: Perspectives on Red Lion, > 29 S. > > > Carolina. > > > > L. Rev. 539, 547-48 (1978) (listing many of > the > > > leading > > > > articles in the first decade after the > decision) > > at > > > > http://eprints. law.duke. edu/archive/ > 00000564/ > > > 01/29_S._ > > > > C._L._Rev. _539_(1978-1979) . pdf. > > > >=20 > > > > [9]The agency had originally declined to > consider > > the > > > > question of whether the rule was > constitutional. > > In > > > early > > > > 1987, however, a federal court held that the > FCC > > could > > > not > > > > enforce the doctrine unless it considered > the > > > constitutional > > > > objections. Meredith v. FCC, 809 F. 2d 863 > > (1987). > > > >=20 > > > > [10]Syracuse Peace Council, 2 FCC Reports > 5043 > > (1987). > > > >=20 > > > > [11]Syracuse Peace Council, 867 F. 2d 654 > (D.C. > > Cir. > > > > (1989)). > > > >=20 > > > > [12]Many believe that due to these > developments, > > > combined > > > > with the longstanding legal criticism of the > Red > > Lion > > > case, > > > > were it to be reconsidered today, it would > be > > decided > > > > differently. A study published two years ago > by > > the > > > FCC > > > > itself makes this case convincingly. See, > John W. > > > > Berresford, "The Scarcity Rationale for > > > Regulating > > > > Traditional Broadcasting: An Idea Whose Time > Has > > > > Passed," FCC Media Bureau Staff > Research > > Paper, > > > March > > > > 2005, at http://hraunfoss. fcc.gov/edocs_ > > > public/attachmat > > > > ch/DOC-257534A1. pdf. > > > >=20 > > > > [13]See Adam D. Thierer, "The Media > > > Cornucopia," > > > > City Journal, Spring 2007, at > http://www.city- > > > journal.org/ > > > > html/17_2_ media.html. > > > >=20 > > > > [14]Project on Excellence in Journalism, > > "The > > > State of > > > > the News Media 2007: An Annual Report on > American > > > > Journalism, Talk Radio page, at > > http://www.stateoft > > > > henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ > radio_talk_ > > > radio.asp? > > > > cat=3D8&media=3D 9. > > > >=20 > > > > [15]Project on Excellence in Journalism, > > "The > > > State of > > > > the News Media 2007: An Annual Report on > American > > > > Journalism, Talk Radio page, at > > http://www.stateoft > > > > henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ > radio_talk_ > > > radio.asp? > > > > cat=3D8&media=3D 9. > > > >=20 > > > > [16]Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. Sosa, > > "Was the > > > > Fairness Doctrine a "Chilling Effect? > > Evidence > > > from the > > > > Post-deregulation Radio Market," 26 > Journal > > of > > > Legal > > > > Studies 279 (1997). > > > >=20 > > > > Don > > > >=20 > > > > -- "Amy Mousie" > > com> > > > > wrote: > > > >=20 > > > > This is proof positive that the abolition of > the > > > Fairness > > > > Doctrine was > > > > a Bad Idea-- > > > >=20 > > > > I can prove there are actually FEWER talk > radio > > > stations > > > > today, > > > > without the Fairness Doctrine than there > were > > with: > > > Just > > > > eliminate all > > > > the bird-fed takers ands see how many are > left. > > > Chances > > > > are, MUCH > > > > fewer than when the Fairness Doctrine was > > abolished. > > > >=20 > > > > Now, tell me- Was that a good thing? Did it > > REALLY > > > improve > > > > diversity > > > > of voices and ownership to abolish the > Fairness > > > Doctrine? I > > > > don't > > > > think it was, just as much as letting the > RIAA > > have > > > free > > > > reign over > > > > royalty fees that have driven many statiuons > from > > > > broadcasting > > > > anything beyond bird-fed programming. > > > >=20 > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > >=20 > > > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, > george > > russell > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yup, the "cookie-cutter" > programs. > > One > > > night > > > > I sat in Durand, MI, > > > > scanned > > > > > the dial, and found 11 stations > carrying > > C2C, and > > > over > > > > a dozen > > > > carrying ESPN...with a lousy car radio! My > > stomach > > > nearly > > > > empties, > > > > too! G=20 > > > > >=20 > > > >=20 From amymousie@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 15:10:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74878 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 22:10:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 22:10:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.10) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 22:10:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 22:10:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2008 22:10:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:10:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <275477.96234.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.13.247 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=4wo5AeuJQtE6_D_3RsCWZ7Cp-mdl04ruk3ourZ1k8tnlXeYp X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Congratulations, Powell! After all this political sparring with you > (and I enjoy it), you have finally made a remark I have no idea how to respond to! Guess I BETTER be good...G >=20 I only know of one gay person on this forum. (Lesbian mice don't count- We're just pipsqueeks. *squeeksqueek* :) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 15:15:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83789 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 22:15:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 22:15:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 22:15:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98280 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 22:15:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:15:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:15:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080805.145940.1236.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <728248.97363.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=VBGStM-pkCyyYbL8jb4ILAgzPGbWMlaZvGX0cQqp1iN-Bg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Thanks, Don...and I will defend Your right to be insane a spacey, too! Just kidding...this forum for the last few days has been the most entertaining thing on the web! What it all has to do with AM stereo, I have no idea, but it proves we are more than just radio nuts, and I think that is a GOOD thing. Seems to be a lot of thinkers from both sides of the isle, and I hope nobody became bitter enemies over differences of opinion. As Kevin said, at the end, we can all go out for a beer! (of course y'all on the right side might prefer Perrier or a Manhattan!) Now if you'll excuse me, I have to see who is on my phone...Oh no, Powell warned me about this...Powell, did you give my phone number out? Some guy from a bar called @%$@% wants to know what I look like! LOL! George --- On Tue, 8/5/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:59 PM > Now that it is all done. It was almost like listening to > C2C. > > I may not always agree with all of you but I will defend > your right to be inane and specious. > > Don > > -- george russell wrote: > Spoken like a REAL American...God bless you! G > > > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke > wrote: > > > From: clemsonbloke > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:20 PM > > Perhaps! Ha! You know I had considered being a > regular > > DJ a while simply because I am in love wiht music and > always > > have been. I figure though that I still would love a > talk > > show since I do love people and love talking and > debating. > > It's a lot of fun. I believe in what I believe in > but > > I respect someones right to think differently. We > just > > agree to disagree. THAT is what real men do. It > would be > > nicer if more people were that way these days. > Ultimately > > many times though people get in all out fights over > stuff > > and thats not what a gentleman does. True gentlemen > can > > disagree yet still go out for a beer together. We > need > > more of that in the world! > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, george russell > > wrote: > > > > From: george russell > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:15 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You and the other Kevin should be on Air America...I > think > > it would work > > quite well! G > > > > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke > yahoo.co. uk> wrote: > > > > > From: clemsonbloke uk> > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:46 PM > > > Oh I don't plan on letting anyone steal that > from > > me! > > > I really don't care what people think about > it! > > Thats > > > one thing that has never changed about me, > i've > > always > > > said what I thought whether someone liked it or > not! > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, george russell > > > wrote: > > > > > > From: george russell > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:43 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bullseye! And as far as the working man goes, > what > > will > > > happen when we have ALL been replaced? Will the > > "chosen > > > few", out of the kindness of their hearts, > > provide for > > > us like a bunch of pets? Not likely! > > > That is when you will see serious efforts at > > > "population engineering" > > > start to take place. It's already been > discussed > > in > > > high places. > > > It may not happen in my lifetime, but it breaks > my > > heart > > > thinking about what our kids are going to have to > deal > > > with...God help them! > > > Keep on thinking for yourself, Kevin! Some will > not > > like > > > it, but it is the last thing the powerful > haven't > > > figured out a way to steal from you! > > > George > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke > > > yahoo.co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > > From: clemsonbloke yahoo.co. > > uk> > > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:40 AM > > > > George, > > > > > > > > My father is a minister! Ha! A minister > > i'm > > > not but > > > > I do believe in the things this country was > > founded > > > on, not > > > > the modern version of this revisionist > history. > > I > > > champion > > > > the working man. It's scary when a few > > > billionaires > > > > run things! This is what i've been > > > > "preaching" for a long time to > close > > > friends. We > > > > are losing our country to this sick malaise > we > > are > > > currently > > > > under. As I said I lean more democrat but > that > > > doesn't > > > > mean i'm a total lock stock and barrel > > democrat. > > > > I'm more a person who listens to both > sides > > then > > > makes > > > > up his mind. I don't agree with > everything > > the > > > > democrats do. For one they need to support > > offshore > > > > drilling for the short term but I still > believe > > long > > > term we > > > > need to look at alternate fuels. In college > it > > was > > > > explained and taught to us that the US has > enough > > oil > > > that > > > > we could survive for perhaps 200 years > without > > any > > > help from > > > > outside oil sources. That is WAY more than > > enough > > > time to > > > > have researchers figuring > > > > out a new alternate source of energy. They > > should > > > > approach it as we did the space program in > the > > > 1960's. > > > > A large effort of the best scientists and > > researchers > > > and > > > > put the money towards it. Thats our best > hope > > energy > > > > wise. People in the US are starving and we > run > > off > > > and > > > > feed the rest of the world. While I support > > helping > > > lesser > > > > nations I still think we should take care of > our > > > own. > > > > There is absolutely NO reason anyone in this > > country > > > should > > > > go without food or shelter. Those who think > so > > have > > > more > > > > money than sense. Lets not stray too far > from > > topic > > > > though. I just wanted to show i'm not a > > total > > > dem lock > > > > stock and barrel. If I were I wouldnt > support > > > offshore > > > > drilling because I would think that somehow > that > > was > > > going > > > > to hurt the earth so much! Gee! Those > people > > are > > > nuts > > > > that think like that! Back to fairness > doctrine > > and > > > lord > > > > i'm rehashing so I wont say much but I > think > > we do > > > need > > > > to get back to it. As I stated earlier just > > look > > > > how things are so much more controlled now. > > > > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, george russell > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: george russell com> > > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:54 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kevin, if you ever become a preacher, > I'll > > stuff > > > the > > > > offering plate! > > > > That pretty well sums up what I and a LOT of > > folks I > > > know > > > > believe. > > > > BTW, it's not the Fox NEWS > channel...it' > > s the > > > Fox > > > > NOISE channel! > > > > I too like to hear both sides, and make up > my own > > > mind. > > > > Today, that is > > > > dangerous... if there is one thing the > government > > > fears > > > > worse than an alien invasion, it's us > > thinking for > > > > ourselves! > > > > Ever notice all the people who defend the > current > > > quagmire > > > > have all their bills paid, a roof over their > > head, and > > > gas > > > > in their car? Yeah, they may be in debt, but > at > > least > > > they > > > > are pretty sure where their next meal is > coming > > from. > > > > I used to have a ministry with the homeless > folk > > in > > > Mt. > > > > Clemens, MI. where I and a couple friends > would > > buy a > > > few > > > > pizzas and go down to the riverbank and > share > > them, > > > and just > > > > sit and talk with these people. > > > > Common image of these folks is only PARTLY > > > right...yes, > > > > some are drug users, or too lazy to work, > but we > > also > > > met > > > > very intellegent people > > > > who had lost it all, and only wanted a > chance to > > do an > > > > honest day's work and earn their keep. > But > > who is > > > going > > > > to hire them? Who is going to let them use > their > > > shower to > > > > get presentable for a job interview? WHEN is > a > > talk > > > show > > > > host with a roving microphone going to get > THESE > > > > PEOPLE'S take on the current affairs? My > > guess is > > > > never!!! Why do I give a damn? 2 reasons: > (1) it > > is > > > hard not > > > > to have compassion once you get to know some > of > > these > > > folks, > > > > and (2) > > > > THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD GO I!!!] > > > > If things don't turn around and pretty > damn > > fast, > > > a lot > > > > of people who are convinced that the system > is > > fine > > > are in > > > > for a very painful discovery. > > > > When it is THEIR turn out in the cold, and > nobody > > will > > > hire > > > > them, I bet they will be singing a whole new > > tune! > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, clemsonbloke > > > > > yahoo.co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: clemsonbloke > yahoo.co. > > > uk> > > > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:50 AM > > > > > I just graduated my degree in > broadcasting > > and we > > > > studied > > > > > this. Many people get the Fairness > > Doctrine > > > > wrongly. It > > > > > was basically designed to insure that > both > > sides > > > of a > > > > story > > > > > were presented such as democrats and > > republicans > > > would > > > > get > > > > > equal time to present their ideas. > Very > > unlike > > > what > > > > we > > > > > have today where everything is > dominated by > > > republican > > > > > cronies of the bush administration. I > > truly > > > believe > > > > that > > > > > any news or radio organization for that > > matter is > > > only > > > > worth > > > > > its salt if it provides both sides > > equally. I > > > > don't > > > > > believe all the hot air these > republicans > > spew > > > but I > > > > DO want > > > > > to hear them and what they have to say. > I > > would > > > be > > > > against > > > > > an all democrat run operation too. I > want > > both > > > > sides. I > > > > > am educated enough to make up my own > mind. > > I > > > > don't > > > > > need that one lop sided crap that we > have > > today > > > on > > > > > republican crony radio. Fox news fair > and > > > balanced, > > > > yeah > > > > > right! They are fair and balanced > > > conservative and > > > > > republican, thats the two sides you get > from > > > > > those people. Anyone republican or > > democrat who > > > > wants to > > > > > hear things one sided are just not well > > informed, > > > > educated, > > > > > or open minded for that matter. I > believe > > our > > > whole > > > > > system is based on checks and balances > and I > > > believe > > > > the > > > > > fairness doctrine as I studied it in > college > > > provided > > > > that > > > > > checks and balances system. I think we > > need > > > more of > > > > > that. From what I can tell its only > > republican > > > folks > > > > who > > > > > dominate talk radio that do not want > the > > fairness > > > > doctrine > > > > > reinstated. Wonder why? Does it ever > > make you > > > > think? > > > > > We've talked about local small town > > radio. > > > Well > > > > there > > > > > was tons more of that in the days of > the > > fairness > > > > doctrine > > > > > than there are now. You ever wonder > why? > > Do > > > you > > > > not > > > > > think rich corporate america wants to > > control the > > > > > airwaves? You see they are being > > controlled now > > > by > > > > one > > > > > side. Rich corporate republican types > who > > do > > > not > > > > care for > > > > > the working man. Sure they wanted the > > fairness > > > > doctrine > > > > > taken away, that way they could spew > their > > one > > > > > sided views on everything. They could > buy > > up > > > all the > > > > > stations and the hell with any other > views, > > they > > > > didn't > > > > > have to present them once the fairness > > doctrine > > > was > > > > taken > > > > > away. Too many people don't > understand > > > this. > > > > > It's simple. It was placed so that > > both > > > sides > > > > could be > > > > > heard equally. I remember growing up > when > > it > > > was in > > > > > place. I used to like hearing both > > sides. To > > > me > > > > its sad > > > > > that we don't get both sides now. > > Think > > > folks! > > > > > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, W6YN Don Milbury > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From: W6YN Don Milbury > > > > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 5:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regulating speech in order to alter its > > content > > > is > > > > exactly > > > > > the sort of meddling that the First > > Amendment is > > > meant > > > > to > > > > > prohibit. > > > > > > > > > > Should the fairness doctrine be > reinstated, > > the > > > > possibility > > > > > of a challenge even if the challenge > > ultimately > > > > failed, the > > > > > cost of defending against it could be > > substantial > > > to > > > > the > > > > > extent that I would cancel all talk > > programming > > > from > > > > my > > > > > stations. I don't know what > available > > > programming > > > > would > > > > > attract the demographic audience that > my > > > customers > > > > demand. > > > > > It just may mean that my investment > value > > could > > > be > > > > radically > > > > > diminished and a distressed property > sale > > may be > > > the > > > > result. > > > > > Fortunately I purchased these sticks as > > > > "distressed > > > > > property" in the mid 80's so I > may > > not > > > suffer > > > > much > > > > > of a loss. It's time for me to > retire > > anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Policy discussion on the airwaves for > > decades > > > was, for > > > > the > > > > > most part, as bland as cottage cheese. > In > > > practice, > > > > the > > > > > so-called fairness doctrine was deeply > > unfair. > > > > > > > > > > Restricting free speech and government > > controls > > > on > > > > media > > > > > content is anathema to our > constitutional > > > guarantees > > > > of free > > > > > speech. Stalinists, of course, do not > agree. > > > > > > > > > > History always proves them wrong: > > > > > > > > > > "Our massive strategy was to use > the > > > Fairness > > > > Doctrine > > > > > to challenge and harass right-wing > > broadcasters > > > and > > > > hope the > > > > > challenges would be so costly to them > that > > they > > > would > > > > be > > > > > inhibited and decide it was too > expensive to > > > > continue." > > > > > > > > > > --Bill Ruder, Democratic campaign > consultant > > and > > > > Assistant > > > > > Secretary of Commerce, Kennedy > > Administration[ 1] > > > > > > > > > > "The main thing is the Post is > going to > > have > > > > damnable, > > > > > damnable problems out of [its Watergate > > > coverage]. > > > > They have > > > > > a television station...and they are > going to > > have > > > to > > > > get it > > > > > renewed." > > > > > > > > > > --President Richard Nixon[2] > > > > > > > > > > Should the federal government mandate > > > > "fairness" > > > > > in broadcasting? "Yes," say > some > > > Members of > > > > > Congress, including Speaker of the > House > > Nancy > > > Pols, > > > > who > > > > > reportedly said this week that House > leaders > > > would > > > > > "aggressively pursue" > legislation > > to > > > > reinstate the > > > > > "Fairness Doctrine."[3] Until > it > > was > > > > abolished in > > > > > 1987, this Federal Communications > Commission > > rule > > > > required > > > > > broadcasters to air all sides of > > controversial > > > issues. > > > > > > > > > > At first glance, the rule may sound > > innocuous. > > > > Fairness is, > > > > > after all, a basic American value. But > as a > > > matter of > > > > > principle, any such government controls > on > > media > > > > content is > > > > > anathema to constitutional guarantees > of > > free > > > speech. > > > > And in > > > > > practice, the so-called fairness > doctrine > > was > > > deeply > > > > unfair. > > > > > > > > > > Dulling Down Broadcasting > > > > > > > > > > Rather than foster full and fair > discussion > > of > > > public > > > > > issues, the real effect of the Fairness > > Doctrine > > > was > > > > to > > > > > discourage discussion of controversial > > issues of > > > any > > > > kind. > > > > > It's no coincidence that such media > as > > talk > > > > > radio--virtually non-existent while the > rule > > was > > > in > > > > > place--flowered after its repeal. > Rather > > than the > > > vast > > > > > wasteland of bland muzak-like > discussion it > > was > > > > before, > > > > > broadcasting- - especially radio--has > become > > a > > > > platform for > > > > > vibrant and controversial debate on > > countless > > > issues. > > > > > > > > > > The Fairness Doctrine was developed by > the > > FCC > > > over a > > > > long > > > > > period, based on its broad authority > under > > the > > > > > Communications Act to regulate the > airwaves. > > The > > > rule > > > > was > > > > > first articulated in 1949, when > television > > was in > > > its > > > > > infancy and radio meant a handful of AM > > stations > > > in > > > > each > > > > > market. In its final form, the rule > required > > > > broadcasters to > > > > > "afford reasonable opportunity for > > > discussion of > > > > > contrasting points of view on > controversial > > > matters of > > > > > public importance." [4] > > > > > > > > > > The vagueness of the standard left > quite a > > bit of > > > > > uncertainty. What is a > > "reasonable" > > > > opportunity? > > > > > How many "contrasting" views? > > Station > > > > managers > > > > > whose programming ventured too far into > > > controversial > > > > > subjects could quite easily find > themselves > > > subject to > > > > a > > > > > fairness doctrine challenge. And even > if the > > > challenge > > > > > ultimately failed, the cost of > defending > > against > > > it > > > > could be > > > > > substantial. So the safe route for most > was > > to > > > stay > > > > far away > > > > > from controversy. As a result, policy > > discussion > > > on > > > > the > > > > > airwaves for decades was, for the most > part, > > as > > > bland > > > > as > > > > > cottage cheese. > > > > > > > > > > Political Abuse > > > > > > > > > > This "chilling" effect was > > exacerbated > > > by > > > > > political abuse of the system. > Politicians > > of > > > both > > > > parties > > > > > used the doctrine to further their > political > > > ends. > > > > Political > > > > > strategists for Kennedy and Johnson, > for > > example, > > > > > consciously used the Fairness Doctrine > to > > cow > > > > political > > > > > opponents. According to statements from > > party > > > > activists, > > > > > there was an explicit strategy to raise > the > > cost > > > of > > > > critical > > > > > programming, and thus get it dropped > > entirely. > > > > > "Perhaps...our tactics were too > > > aggressive," > > > > one > > > > > party operative is quoted as saying, > > "but we > > > were > > > > up > > > > > against ultra-right preachers who were > > saying > > > vicious > > > > things > > > > > about Kennedy and Johnson."[5] > > > > > > > > > > The political use of the Fairness > Doctrine > > was > > > brought > > > > to > > > > > new heights by President Richard Nixon. > > According > > > to > > > > Jesse > > > > > Walker of Reason magazine, > "private > > > activists > > > > directed > > > > > by the Republican National Committee > > regularly > > > filed > > > > > Fairness Doctrine challenges against > > stations > > > whose > > > > > reporting angered the White > House."[6] > > > > > > > > > > Demise of the Fairness Doctrine > > > > > > > > > > The constitutionality of the Fairness > > Doctrine > > > was > > > > > challenged in the 1969 case Red Lion v. > > FCC[7], > > > > involving a > > > > > religious broadcaster who was fined by > the > > FCC > > > for not > > > > > providing a person criticized on the > air an > > > > opportunity to > > > > > reply. The Supreme Court upheld the > rule, > > > reasoning > > > > that > > > > > because broadcast frequencies were > scarce, > > the > > > > government > > > > > may intervene in broadcast media in > ways > > that > > > would > > > > not be > > > > > allowed toward traditional media, such > as > > > newspapers. > > > > > > > > > > The decision in Red Lion, however, has > been > > > subject to > > > > > intense criticism.[8] And in 1987, the > FCC > > > rescinded > > > > the > > > > > Fairness Doctrine, finding it to be > contrary > > to > > > the > > > > > Constitution as well as bad policy.[9] > In > > its > > > landmark > > > > > decision, the Commission wrote: > > > > > > > > > > We believe that the role of the > electronic > > press > > > in > > > > our > > > > > society is the same as that of the > printed > > press. > > > Both > > > > are > > > > > sources of information and viewpoint. > > > Accordingly, the > > > > > reasons for proscribing government > intrusion > > into > > > the > > > > > editorial discretion of print > journalists > > provide > > > the > > > > same > > > > > basis for proscribing such interference > into > > the > > > > editorial > > > > > discretion of broadcast journalists. > [10] > > > > > > > > > > The FCC's decision to rescind the > > doctrine > > > was > > > > later > > > > > upheld by a federal appeals court. In > so > > doing, > > > > however, the > > > > > court did not pass judgment on the > > > constitutionality > > > > of the > > > > > rule and instead relied on the > FCC's > > policy > > > > findings > > > > > that it did not serve the public > > interest.[11] > > > > > > > > > > Red Lion is still formally in place. > But in > > years > > > > since, > > > > > the basic "spectrum scarcity" > > rationale > > > of > > > > Red > > > > > Lion (and thus the constitutionality of > > fairness > > > > rules) has > > > > > become ever weaker. Not only have new > > broadcast > > > > frequencies- > > > > > -such as the UHF television and FM > radio > > > bands--been > > > > put > > > > > into use, but entirely new systems such > as > > cable > > > TV > > > > and > > > > > satellite radio have been created, > offering > > > consumers > > > > > hundreds of channels when before they > only > > had a > > > > > handful.[12] And the Internet has made > > notions of > > > > scarcity > > > > > almost meaningless. [13] > > > > > > > > > > At the same time, broadcasters- > -especially > > radio > > > > > broadcasters- -became much more willing > to > > air > > > > controversial > > > > > points of view, in large part because > of the > > > repeal of > > > > the > > > > > FCC's fairness rule. Most notably, > talk > > > radio, > > > > which had > > > > > been a relatively rare format, exploded > in > > scope > > > and > > > > > popularity. In 1990, there were some > 400 > > stations > > > with > > > > a > > > > > talk show format nationwide. By 2006, > there > > were > > > more > > > > than > > > > > 1,400 stations devoted entirely to talk > > > formats.[14] > > > > > Programming shed its cottage > cheese-like > > > character, as > > > > > controversial new hosts, such as Rush > > Limbaugh, > > > gained > > > > > airtime and the freedom to express > strong > > > opinions and > > > > views > > > > > without fear of regulatory reprisal. > > According to > > > the > > > > > Project for Excellence in Journalism: > > > > > > > > > > With the [Fairness] Doctrine's > repeal, > > radio > > > shows > > > > > could become more one-sided, more > > free-wheeling, > > > > ideological > > > > > and political. And it didn't take > long. > > One > > > of the > > > > first > > > > > to gain popularity under the new rules > was a > > new > > > voice > > > > out > > > > > of California named Rush Limbaugh. > Within a > > year > > > or > > > > two of > > > > > the new rules, Limbaugh's > provocative > > > > denunciations of > > > > > Democrats became a phenomenon. Stations > > quickly > > > began > > > > to > > > > > pick up his syndicated show, and other > > > conservative > > > > names > > > > > followed his lead. Being controversial > > seemed a > > > > plus.[15] > > > > > > > > > > Not all the changes, of course, were > due to > > the > > > > Fairness > > > > > Doctrine repeal. Other factors, such as > the > > rise > > > of FM > > > > > radio, were at work. But, as documented > by > > > economists > > > > Thomas > > > > > Hazlett and David W. Sosa, the > regulatory > > change > > > had a > > > > > substantial causal effect.[16] > > > > > > > > > > Government-Enforced "Balance" > > > > > > > > > > Many supporters of the Fairness > Doctrine are > > > concerned > > > > > about this explosion of information > because > > they > > > see > > > > it as > > > > > the wrong kind of information. Many are > > frankly > > > > concerned > > > > > about the amount of > "conservative" > > > > programming, > > > > > especially in talk radio, and would > like to > > see a > > > > different > > > > > balance. > > > > > > > > > > Certainly, conservative- oriented talk > radio > > has > > > been > > > > more > > > > > successful than left-leaning radio > > programming. > > > But > > > > > broadcasting is only one small part of > > > today's > > > > media > > > > > universe, which includes not just radio > and > > > television > > > > > broadcasting but print, cable, and > Internet > > > sources. > > > > > Conservatives have had no lock on > > opportunities, > > > even > > > > in > > > > > radio. Programming with a liberal bent, > from > > > Mario > > > > > Cuomo's show to Air America, has > been > > given > > > > > opportunities and will get more. > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, arguments that the Fairness > > Doctrine is > > > > needed > > > > > because certain types of media are too > > > conservative, > > > > too > > > > > negative, too partisan, or too anything > > actually > > > > strengthen > > > > > the case against the regulation. Any > law > > that is > > > > targeted at > > > > > media based on the content of what is > being > > said > > > > raises > > > > > greater constitutional concerns and is > much > > less > > > > likely to > > > > > pass constitutional muster--and for > good > > reason. > > > > Regulating > > > > > speech in order to alter its content is > > exactly > > > the > > > > sort of > > > > > meddling that the First Amendment is > meant > > to > > > > prohibit. It > > > > > is simply not the job of politicians to > > > > "correct" > > > > > the mix of opinions being expressed in > the > > > marketplace > > > > of > > > > > ideas, even if--and especially if--they > > disagree > > > with > > > > those > > > > > opinions. > > > > > > > > > > Conclusion > > > > > > > > > > The Federal Communications Commission > did > > the > > > right > > > > thing > > > > > 20 years ago in throwing this > unnecessary, > > > > > counter-productive, and unwise > restriction > > on > > > speech > > > > into > > > > > the regulatory dustbin. It should be > left > > there. > > > To do > > > > > otherwise would be dangerous and > obviously > > > > unconstitutional. > > > > > > > > > > [1]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning > Out > > Free > > > > > Speech," The American > Conservative, > > April > > > 23, > > > > 2007, at > > > > > http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ > 2007_04_23/ > > > article3. > > > > html. > > > > > > > > > > [2]Quoted in Thomas W. Hazlett and > David W. > > Sosa, > > > > > "Chilling the Internet? Lessons > from > > FCC > > > > Regulation of > > > > > Radio Broadcasting, " Cato > Institute > > Policy > > > > Analysis > > > > > No. 270, March 19, 1997. > > > > > > > > > > [3]See "Her Royal Fairness, The > > American > > > > Spectator, > > > > > May 14, 2007, at http://www.spectato > > r.org/dsp_ > > > > article.asp? > > > > > art_id=11427. > > > > > > > > > > [4]For general background on the > development > > of > > > the > > > > rule, > > > > > see Museum of Broadcast Communications, > > > "Fairness > > > > > Doctrine" at http://www.museum. > > tv/archives/ > > > > > etv/F/htmlF/ fairnessdoct/ > fairnessdoct. > > htm. > > > > > > > > > > [5]Quoted in Jesse Walker, "Tuning > Out > > Free > > > > > Speech," The American > Conservative, > > April > > > 23, > > > > 2007, at > > > > > http://www.amconmag .com/2007/ > 2007_04_23/ > > > article3. > > > > html. > > > > > > > > > > [6]Ibid. > > > > > > > > > > [7]Red Lion v. FCC, 395 U.S. 367 > (1969). > > > > > > > > > > [8]See, e.g.., William Van Alstyne, The > > Mobius > > > Strip > > > > of the > > > > > First Amendment: Perspectives on Red > Lion, > > 29 S. > > > > Carolina. > > > > > L. Rev. 539, 547-48 (1978) (listing > many of > > the > > > > leading > > > > > articles in the first decade after the > > decision) > > > at > > > > > http://eprints. law.duke. edu/archive/ > > 00000564/ > > > > 01/29_S._ > > > > > C._L._Rev. _539_(1978-1979) . pdf. > > > > > > > > > > [9]The agency had originally declined > to > > consider > > > the > > > > > question of whether the rule was > > constitutional. > > > In > > > > early > > > > > 1987, however, a federal court held > that the > > FCC > > > could > > > > not > > > > > enforce the doctrine unless it > considered > > the > > > > constitutional > > > > > objections. Meredith v. FCC, 809 F. 2d > 863 > > > (1987). > > > > > > > > > > [10]Syracuse Peace Council, 2 FCC > Reports > > 5043 > > > (1987). > > > > > > > > > > [11]Syracuse Peace Council, 867 F. 2d > 654 > > (D.C. > > > Cir. > > > > > (1989)). > > > > > > > > > > [12]Many believe that due to these > > developments, > > > > combined > > > > > with the longstanding legal criticism > of the > > Red > > > Lion > > > > case, > > > > > were it to be reconsidered today, it > would > > be > > > decided > > > > > differently. A study published two > years ago > > by > > > the > > > > FCC > > > > > itself makes this case convincingly. > See, > > John W. > > > > > Berresford, "The Scarcity > Rationale for > > > > Regulating > > > > > Traditional Broadcasting: An Idea Whose > Time > > Has > > > > > Passed," FCC Media Bureau Staff > > Research > > > Paper, > > > > March > > > > > 2005, at http://hraunfoss. > fcc.gov/edocs_ > > > > public/attachmat > > > > > ch/DOC-257534A1. pdf. > > > > > > > > > > [13]See Adam D. Thierer, "The > Media > > > > Cornucopia," > > > > > City Journal, Spring 2007, at > > http://www.city- > > > > journal.org/ > > > > > html/17_2_ media.html. > > > > > > > > > > [14]Project on Excellence in > Journalism, > > > "The > > > > State of > > > > > the News Media 2007: An Annual Report > on > > American > > > > > Journalism, Talk Radio page, at > > > http://www.stateoft > > > > > henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ > > radio_talk_ > > > > radio.asp? > > > > > cat=8&media= 9. > > > > > > > > > > [15]Project on Excellence in > Journalism, > > > "The > > > > State of > > > > > the News Media 2007: An Annual Report > on > > American > > > > > Journalism, Talk Radio page, at > > > http://www.stateoft > > > > > henewsmedia. org/2007/ narrative_ > > radio_talk_ > > > > radio.asp? > > > > > cat=8&media= 9. > > > > > > > > > > [16]Thomas W. Hazlett and David W. > Sosa, > > > "Was the > > > > > Fairness Doctrine a "Chilling > Effect? > > > Evidence > > > > from the > > > > > Post-deregulation Radio Market," > 26 > > Journal > > > of > > > > Legal > > > > > Studies 279 (1997). > > > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > > -- "Amy Mousie" > > > > com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > This is proof positive that the > abolition of > > the > > > > Fairness > > > > > Doctrine was > > > > > a Bad Idea-- > > > > > > > > > > I can prove there are actually FEWER > talk > > radio > > > > stations > > > > > today, > > > > > without the Fairness Doctrine than > there > > were > > > with: > > > > Just > > > > > eliminate all > > > > > the bird-fed takers ands see how many > are > > left. > > > > Chances > > > > > are, MUCH > > > > > fewer than when the Fairness Doctrine > was > > > abolished. > > > > > > > > > > Now, tell me- Was that a good thing? > Did it > > > REALLY > > > > improve > > > > > diversity > > > > > of voices and ownership to abolish the > > Fairness > > > > Doctrine? I > > > > > don't > > > > > think it was, just as much as letting > the > > RIAA > > > have > > > > free > > > > > reign over > > > > > royalty fees that have driven many > statiuons > > from > > > > > broadcasting > > > > > anything beyond bird-fed programming. > > > > > > > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, > > george > > > russell > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yup, the "cookie-cutter" > > programs. > > > One > > > > night > > > > > I sat in Durand, MI, > > > > > scanned > > > > > > the dial, and found 11 stations > > carrying > > > C2C, and > > > > over > > > > > a dozen > > > > > carrying ESPN...with a lousy car radio! > My > > > stomach > > > > nearly > > > > > empties, > > > > > too! G > > > > > > > > > > > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 15:17:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76173 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 22:17:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 22:17:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 22:17:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 447 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 22:17:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:17:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:17:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <320991.82984.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=_cipWi7GNikcEMC4X8pd2OxAGZ1wjYqwy6yRJoeSBfSE1w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Well, you know what they say...for every one you know of, there are ten you don't know about! I think Powell gave some of them my phone number, hah-hah! G --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Amy Mousie wrote: > From: Amy Mousie > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 6:10 PM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > wrote: > > > > Congratulations, Powell! After all this political > sparring with you > > (and I enjoy it), you have finally made a remark I > have no idea how > to respond to! Guess I BETTER be good...G > > > > I only know of one gay person on this forum. (Lesbian mice > don't > count- We're just pipsqueeks. *squeeksqueek* :) ) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 16:59:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61364 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 23:59:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2008 23:59:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2008 23:59:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81988 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2008 23:59:56 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.34] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:59:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:59:56 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080805.145940.1236.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <150436.81600.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Mk37iNF8o8AR-eDS3C_bDbE5AVB0qiI19D13YpRm9M4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Don, I can make a C2C style post...... anybody up to it?? Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/5/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Now that it is all done. It was almost like listening to > C2C. > > I may not always agree with all of you but I will defend > your right to be inane and specious. > > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 17:14:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2065 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 00:14:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2008 00:14:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 00:14:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38264 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2008 00:14:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:14:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:14:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <150436.81600.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <655731.37606.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=ReQ05-zrn7nxkPWnIfsVGS6HgjT_wRhb22aHQRJewIrpFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Please do! --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 7:59 PM > Don, > > I can make a C2C style post...... anybody up to it?? > > > Powell > > > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: > > > Now that it is all done. It was almost like listening > to > > C2C. > > > > I may not always agree with all of you but I will > defend > > your right to be inane and specious. > > > > From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 19:17:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23608 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 02:17:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2008 02:17:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.50) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 02:17:28 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n31.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 02:17:28 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.245] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 02:17:28 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 02:17:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 598820.57396.bm@omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 63890 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 02:17:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@72.161.198.171 with plain) by smtp124.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 02:17:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Ah_Xe8QVM1k9sAOZFOhiqw9dc_MqFlpbG197ucJQM8BxEU4y9LLg0S97b6Nh60gRomU0oi87uXxNZmdpHUQSIWcGd9uci1BeTlb7vYTM1jeaztDMmJJVl1BPX._1pPiaAJJuIC9FSB7tucshCzA3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <786481.76740.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <786481.76740.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <21683DDD-A8FF-42F9-937A-5C394FF22114@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:17:20 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=vu5OZeWXM0jpIw6pI-Nqik2Z4E4e5jVsgTbvp4TylPjzPk1y6w X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 5, 2008, at 4:56 PM, george russell wrote: > Show them some of the stuff you write on this forum...I'm tellin' > ya, it is GOOD talk show stuff! Well George, say a prayer that Mr. God will look down upon me and smile and help me get a very nice job. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 19:20:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15965 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 02:20:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2008 02:20:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 02:20:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87410 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2008 02:20:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:20:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:20:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <21683DDD-A8FF-42F9-937A-5C394FF22114@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <890060.86807.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=uL84d8CNB1QysxfsNp1yzBS7-ibIaF03Nowlf6x7A_V1-g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 OK, you got it brother...but in return, when you get it, I get some airchecks! Deal? G --- On Tue, 8/5/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 10:17 PM > On Aug 5, 2008, at 4:56 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Show them some of the stuff you write on this > forum...I'm tellin' > > ya, it is GOOD talk show stuff! > > Well George, say a prayer that Mr. God will look down upon > me and > smile and help me get a very nice job. > > Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 19:45:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84571 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 02:45:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2008 02:45:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 02:45:48 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.225] by n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 02:45:45 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.68] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 02:45:45 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 02:45:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 36735.93624.bm@omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 60816 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 02:45:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@72.161.198.171 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 02:45:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: B3X.csMVM1kizaXcSaaNXvG4xTcsB8TIoj4wMK8XSwnOEJALRCNCVRG_DWHdN93ctsnEkudgTeIt3W_jITAXq_YiHpnB3gk6j63_cb40rInbELTFkmoWz3CK2pJy4y3q9g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <890060.86807.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <890060.86807.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <69198AA8-FFD7-46F4-82B7-CA3B46EB6AE8@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:45:43 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=JTSM44JuuykPWho_2dneUkKwR1Qra3xxa6_YxOmde95j1Kku8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > OK, you got it brother...but in return, when you get it, I get some > airchecks! Deal? G Well, I never worked in radio but if I do, I will send you some great unscoped airchecks. Even if I don't get a job in radio I might send you some airchecks. I work as a Non-Destructive Test Engineer. We test machines with dyes, x-rays, magnetics, ultrasounds, cat scans, visual examination, leak examination, eddy currents and everything that will not break a very expensive machine. We do the diagnostics on all the jet engines and airframes the airlines use. I have been a software tester, robotic machinery tester/operator/ repairman, supervisor, nuclear reactor test and assembly, marine mechanic, ordnance mechanic/handler, rocket and missile artificer, and general monkey, jack of all trades, master of none. If there was a radio/TV job in the area where I live I would take it just because I have never done it before. Kevin Adamsville, TN From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 20:01:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41359 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 03:01:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2008 03:01:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 03:01:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27316 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2008 03:01:10 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:01:09 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 03:01:09 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <21141FB5-0E0D-4F9D-A1FE-357B4504EC20@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <144020.26448.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=JP-uo8rPlUpX2xZKLEi3at5IGtllQNtuiOEsdHzsWwSftA9SuAku X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable True very True! --- On Tue, 8/5/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 5:41 PM On Aug 5, 2008, at 4:20 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Perhaps! Ha! You know I had considered being a regular DJ a while=20 > simply because I am in love wiht music and always have been. I=20 > figure though that I still would love a talk show since I do love=20 > people and love talking and debating. I am in for it as long as it pays. I am looking for a job here in the=20 South and it ain't a thing of beauty right now. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Aug 05 20:15:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22114 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 03:15:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2008 03:15:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fmailhost04.isp.att.net) (204.127.217.104) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 03:15:50 -0000 X-Received: from owner2d075f959 (adsl-144-216-216.mia.bellsouth.net[72.144.216.216]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20080806031542H040095tple>; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 03:15:42 +0000 To: References: <890060.86807.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <69198AA8-FFD7-46F4-82B7-CA3B46EB6AE8@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <69198AA8-FFD7-46F4-82B7-CA3B46EB6AE8@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 23:15:38 -0400 Organization: Q Media Hot 100, LAZR, 1003. KOOL Message-ID: <018801c8f772$b8231b20$28695160$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Acj3bopemUQ62aHKSCac7r+9xMcFKQAA7P4Q X-Originating-IP: 204.127.217.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "J Gualda Q Media" Subject: RE: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=1BUH8k1xgZFzzqCx0muCcfeR-0iqQhbmO8FsDp-mJsjwFcQ X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, Hang in there...Just when you think it is hopeless, Opportunities will open up for you. I've been there...on more than one occasion. Juan From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kevin redding Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 10:46 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > OK, you got it brother...but in return, when you get it, I get some > airchecks! Deal? G Well, I never worked in radio but if I do, I will send you some great unscoped airchecks. Even if I don't get a job in radio I might send you some airchecks. I work as a Non-Destructive Test Engineer. We test machines with dyes, x-rays, magnetics, ultrasounds, cat scans, visual examination, leak examination, eddy currents and everything that will not break a very expensive machine. We do the diagnostics on all the jet engines and airframes the airlines use. I have been a software tester, robotic machinery tester/operator/ repairman, supervisor, nuclear reactor test and assembly, marine mechanic, ordnance mechanic/handler, rocket and missile artificer, and general monkey, jack of all trades, master of none. If there was a radio/TV job in the area where I live I would take it just because I have never done it before. Kevin Adamsville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 05 20:17:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24406 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 03:17:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2008 03:17:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 03:17:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10452 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2008 03:17:08 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:17:08 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 03:17:08 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <551660.10054.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=dzEivXkTo8jPS4n7EJOK14NLG1TaRGxbJllOFBdi0yS1pPC35Mp1 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dont think I know any of hte ones on the list.=A0 I mean I know some prol= ly are out there but I dont care cause i'd treat them the same as anyone el= se. =A0 =A0 --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Amy Mousie wrote: From: Amy Mousie Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 6:10 PM --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, george russell wrote= : > > Congratulations, Powell! After all this political sparring with you > (and I enjoy it), you have finally made a remark I have no idea how to respond to! Guess I BETTER be good...G >=20 I only know of one gay person on this forum. (Lesbian mice don't count- We're just pipsqueeks. *squeeksqueek* :) ) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 20:24:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97347 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 03:24:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2008 03:24:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.147) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 03:24:13 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.225] by n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 03:24:12 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.249] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 03:24:12 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 03:24:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 946994.79596.bm@omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 69961 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 03:24:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@72.161.198.171 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 03:24:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XylS_c8VM1n2Psjno5DwctwvOIwZUj90.u3JgnQy6DlH9O5tSQ.ZofpLXskJV8ioEJttdVUkjDUfx1CxNA94FkF9wubtjm3KygwBY.ejQuHlaIB4gZObmJ6pLVqjJm4e6g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <018801c8f772$b8231b20$28695160$@net> References: <890060.86807.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <69198AA8-FFD7-46F4-82B7-CA3B46EB6AE8@yahoo.com> <018801c8f772$b8231b20$28695160$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <663904A7-B527-4F6B-BBF0-01F4225ADE5B@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:24:10 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=_9V_9VZV8NV2_PHdcLXAEt0FRqjo1fDvZkcRCgzbtFotcwYZPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Hang in there...Just when you think it is hopeless, Opportunities > will open > up for you. Thats the way it usually works at least in my 51 years of life. Just remember me in your prayers. Never had a radio job though. You guys really change jobs a lot. Kevin From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 22:26:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52971 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 05:26:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2008 05:26:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.121) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 05:26:08 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 05:26:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 05:26:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 05:26:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 05:26:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.121 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.6 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=lhK84KEwEo4kcqtPSi_JoC4YM-l3AMqEdblk1py6FEvrs-ggUA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > Oh, it's been done- There HAVE been discrete 4-channel AM tests,=20 but > they aren't practical- For some reason the diode-split independent > sidebands would wreak havoc on envelope detectors, thus making it > useless in C-QUAM decoding. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > What? Can you tell/explain me more about it? Or, some web source=20 about it? I'm working on a project about to put 4 analog audio channels in=20 only one AM station, now. I didn't know anything about some past=20 experiment about it. Thanks a lot for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Aug 05 22:26:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99426 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 05:26:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2008 05:26:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.157) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 05:26:39 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 05:26:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 05:26:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 05:26:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 05:26:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.6 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=yflr32BuKxQ-WFrlCEDWS9cpv7NNn106rKRoAKJnJ_-hO0hAbw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > Oh, it's been done- There HAVE been discrete 4-channel AM tests,=20 but > they aren't practical- For some reason the diode-split independent > sidebands would wreak havoc on envelope detectors, thus making it > useless in C-QUAM decoding. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > What? Can you tell/explain me more about it? Or, some web source=20 about it? I'm working on a project about to put 4 analog audio channels in=20 only one AM station, now. I didn't know anything about some past=20 experiment about it. Thanks a lot for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 05:45:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56974 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 12:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2008 12:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 12:45:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29904 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2008 12:45:35 -0000 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 05:45:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 05:45:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <826729.28681.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=l-1xMS9DCcKKrAfAWOFVtCNFwZQ7-obKNYqPnG08AFTydwGr1rJEtoQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio FM stations (W4 WWWW-FM) Detroit broadcast rock in QUAD 4-channel for a little while playing the SQ or QS records they could be decoded on the tuner end? Actually, Howeird Stern was there during their rock days until they went country, and he wasn't vulgar yet, just funny. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 05:49:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18453 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 12:49:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2008 12:49:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 12:49:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 99001 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2008 12:49:28 -0000 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 05:49:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 05:49:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <242404.98827.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=X8AiOEBxxUzNAso-zNSmxeWAYecUAjoE_5aDN-s3wfSANEzL8Rgcm7U X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kevin, How about I&C at the local Nuke plant? We've got one up here in Northern Ohio for ya, and you can hear CFCO in AM stereo as they're right across Lake Erie from the plant! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 05:54:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33087 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 12:54:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2008 12:54:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 12:54:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73761 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2008 12:54:22 -0000 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 05:54:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 05:54:22 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <151502.73641.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re:Powell's mail X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=jWEzPP3GDj3f37Yzpu35ypN6f-GznkduB8ffi6fjHAVv7vHfkQiv-nk X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kevin wrote: For some reason I am not getting mail from Powell Way on this forum I see the replies but not the actual mail. PW3 - 'The Invisible Man' From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 06:27:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57755 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 13:27:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2008 13:27:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.144) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 13:27:14 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 13:27:14 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.254] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 13:27:14 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 13:27:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 999880.11432.bm@omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 25116 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 13:27:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.120.192.25 with plain) by smtp123.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 13:27:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ._BKNKEVM1kbZRTo3kdBVsHAJLkK_.zJ6yB.tNtRPtAUe7oFI41LzYgeB4spjiY4zhzNjAs.GxCVDSsDADA7FyKJoD2iWRtJqXsOAWE_ZqmGft7RgPP6nrmwAwRPEuNfATHSbJv9pbHG2HyCZBW3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <242404.98827.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <242404.98827.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <41C4B79C-54A3-41F6-8F71-C462C139B5B4@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 08:27:12 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=MGESdWARCluO8m7EyK9Fwr2SYqmlswfHbnc56XQpJrXJ4KdvxA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:49 AM, John P. wrote: > How about I&C at the local Nuke plant? > We've got one up here in Northern Ohio for ya, and you can hear > CFCO in AM stereo as they're right across Lake Erie from the plant! Don't want to leave my home. Kevin From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Aug 06 12:28:40 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16416 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 19:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2008 19:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 19:28:38 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 19:28:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 19:28:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2008 19:28:37 -0000 Date: 6 Aug 2008 19:28:35 -0000 Message-ID: <1218050915.82338.52623.w105@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /IBOCvsCQUAM_FCC1.pdf Uploaded by : pdmtr Description : IBOC impact on Analog AM FCC doc 99-325/2002 part1 You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/IBOCvsCQUAM_FCC1.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, pdmtr From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 14:01:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98151 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 21:01:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2008 21:01:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 21:01:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27545 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2008 21:01:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:01:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:01:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <69198AA8-FFD7-46F4-82B7-CA3B46EB6AE8@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <665120.25897.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=dGwzNcmndwm816pUqvDrIM8MJy_XzNyty554ztKlWGtB6g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Quite a resume, there! If radio opens up, go for it! G --- On Tue, 8/5/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 10:45 PM > > OK, you got it brother...but in return, when you get > it, I get some > > airchecks! Deal? G > > Well, I never worked in radio but if I do, I will send you > some great > unscoped airchecks. Even if I don't get a job in radio > I might send > you some airchecks. > > I work as a Non-Destructive Test Engineer. We test machines > with > dyes, x-rays, magnetics, ultrasounds, cat scans, visual > examination, > leak examination, eddy currents and everything that will > not break a > very expensive machine. We do the diagnostics on all the > jet engines > and airframes the airlines use. > > I have been a software tester, robotic machinery > tester/operator/ > repairman, supervisor, nuclear reactor test and assembly, > marine > mechanic, ordnance mechanic/handler, rocket and missile > artificer, > and general monkey, jack of all trades, master of none. > > If there was a radio/TV job in the area where I live I > would take it > just because I have never done it before. > > Kevin > Adamsville, TN From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 14:04:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32687 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 21:03:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2008 21:03:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 21:03:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46249 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2008 21:03:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:03:58 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:03:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <663904A7-B527-4F6B-BBF0-01F4225ADE5B@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <119395.45817.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=TL187GdQQNmyVkqcpYjF2Zk_WhYKGNg3YyrO8_hmM8kNUg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 "...town to town, up and down the dial..." --- On Tue, 8/5/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 11:24 PM > > Hang in there...Just when you think it is hopeless, > Opportunities > > will open > > up for you. > > Thats the way it usually works at least in my 51 years of > life. > > Just remember me in your prayers. > > Never had a radio job though. You guys really change jobs a > lot. > > Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 14:07:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84054 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 21:07:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2008 21:07:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 21:07:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58985 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2008 21:07:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:07:52 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:07:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <826729.28681.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <568561.58572.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=NhDOTcbKc3Wr0SlY5QI82W5TxI9nKqDizFgZrnWWi3a5NA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yup, SQ or QS was encoded by phase shifts between L & R, so to the stations audio chain and transmitter, it was just regular stereo. The matrix decoder in the receiver treated the same as a line in from a record or tape. I remember a few stations bragging that they had "converted to quad", when all that conversion involved was getting a quad version of the record! WWWW, W4! Remember hearing them on an old Sansui quad receiver. George --- On Wed, 8/6/08, John P. wrote: > From: John P. > Subject: {AMSF} Re: ISB and C-QUAM at the same time > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 8:45 AM > FM stations (W4 WWWW-FM) Detroit broadcast rock in QUAD > 4-channel for a little while playing the SQ or QS records > they could be decoded on the tuner end? > > Actually, Howeird Stern was there during their rock days > until they went country, and he wasn't vulgar yet, just > funny. From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 14:08:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89088 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2008 21:08:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2008 21:08:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2008 21:08:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32913 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2008 21:08:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:08:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:08:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <242404.98827.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <419516.24255.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Wd7slU6o5O7tTSxMZGYoThJ7N4n08B9-7SP_ihgjGZStUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 You talking about the Davis-Beese plant on the way to Cedar Point? --- On Wed, 8/6/08, John P. wrote: > From: John P. > Subject: {AMSF} Re: small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 8:49 AM > Kevin, > How about I&C at the local Nuke plant? > We've got one up here in Northern Ohio for ya, and you > can hear CFCO in AM stereo as they're right across Lake > Erie from the plant! From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Aug 06 18:20:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78765 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 01:20:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 01:20:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 01:20:52 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.95] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080806202033102918800010> for ; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:20:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <042f01c8f82c$5c0c0440$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <838506.30369.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:20:33 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=SuR2eAWZrJPmnzZDTJ7zQpAXoXb4BCK-PZxsUcrckMBkGPI6yCQE X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The very fact you can't come up with any other example than Fox News actually proves Richard's point! Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:53 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio Television dominated by Democrats? Where? What about Fox News? Fair and Balanced? What about all the Christian networks?> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Richard Wagoner wrote: From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:45 AM And very unlike television, newspapers, public radio and cable news which are dominated by democrat cronies. I always find it interesting that liberals are soooo concerned about conservative talk radio (which isn't truly much of a ratings success outside of a FEW shows) and think that the other media is fine as it is ... totally liberal biases and all . On Aug 4, 2008, at 1:50 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Very unlike what we have today where everything is dominated by > republican cronies of the bush administration. 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Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1590 - Release Date: 8/4/08 8:09 AM --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Aug 06 18:20:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84542 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 01:20:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 01:20:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 01:20:51 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.95] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080806202048102918800010> for ; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:20:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <043201c8f82c$65153fc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <00a801c8f6e0$2c117d30$0301010a@seagull> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:20:48 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=3f2JmXl4-xwJLBlcTMT-d0ygcey_eElaxXPoXtG1_oCwENahhpPs X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe it would be better explained the world doesn't hate us, the world's leftists hate us. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Aug 06 18:21:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86370 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 01:21:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 01:21:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 01:21:02 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.95] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080806202050102918800010> for ; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:20:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <043301c8f82c$668e2420$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <484622.23734.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:20:50 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=jeS3Lco9ZyTfXuHDoxJvvmV1fidQCgYZVI8H4aDyXqKptWZ0Dy4o X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sgt. Schultz had a debate with Michael Medved here about three months ago. Would have to say Medved won. Our station sells CDs of the debate if anyone's interested. There was supposed to be another debate between those two in Chicago, but the leftie talker there bowed out. BTW, Fast Eddie isn't Air America. He's syndicated by Jones as is Stephanie Miller. In fact, the local lefty station no longer calls itself Air America Minnesota, but the Voice of Minnesota as they carry little to no AA programming anymore. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com You maybe mean Ed Schultz? He can get really fired up sometimes, and he DOES make sense. G --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Aug 06 18:21:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10263 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 01:21:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 01:21:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 01:21:08 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.95] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080806202045102918800010> for ; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:20:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <043101c8f82c$638b9280$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <64456.31516.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:20:45 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=GktFZ1U2ICVezQopiYR_vj-J2SR46xjz6YjVBDNjIl9w0yt5jd2S X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just that. Much of what passes for higher education nowadays is balderdash, especially in the liberal arts. And I say that as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, though I had 95% of everything done by 83. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what I said it was about unless you are saying that my professors are wrong and that the textbooks are wrong! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Aug 06 18:21:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98628 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 01:21:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 01:21:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 01:21:08 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.95] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080806202039102918800010> for ; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:20:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <043001c8f82c$5fe12820$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <540807.96591.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:20:39 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=GktFZ1U2ICVezQopiYR_vj-J2SR46xjz6YjVBDNjIl9w0yt5jd2S X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 50 I've lived through a lot more, and Powell trumps us both. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:03 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio Do not pretend that you know me. I'm no kid. I'm a grown ass man at 35 thank you! --- On Mon, 8/4/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 9:11 PM Kid, you're way to young to be telling me what it was like under the fairness doctrine. You're in love with an idea but you never lived through it's negative consequences. As Don said, it sounds innocuous and fairness is a basic American virtue, but indeed it was used as a hammer by politicians of both parties to silence the opposition. And his bland as cottage cheese description was pretty accurate. As for your assertion that small town radio died because of its repeal, sorry again, but there are plenty of other factors at work that have diminished its effectiveness. A good example is the Minnesota iron range northwest of Duluth. The old school stations are either gone or on the bird as there are far more stations up there than there ever used to be. Gone are the days when one or two stations served a small town. One other point, and you can look up the government statistics if you don't believe me, but the ultra rich vote Democrat 2:1 over Republican. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. 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Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1590 - Release Date: 8/4/08 8:09 AM --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Aug 06 18:21:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52315 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 01:21:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 01:21:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 01:21:19 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.95] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080806202059102918800010> for ; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:20:59 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <043501c8f82c$6bcb6380$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <665120.25897.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:20:59 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=XUuGHMO11xeoYU4HpjQD64HJgYQ-Ja3zNF3rVP8PLiTnLRFh5MNY X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brilliant, actually. It amazes me no end he's not able to write his own check. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Quite a resume, there! If radio opens up, go for it! Recent Activity a.. 9New Files Visit Your Group Only on Yahoo! World of Star Wars Meet fans, watch videos & more. Wellness Spot on Yahoo! Groups A resource for living the Curves lifestyle. Y! Groups blog The place to go to stay informed on Groups news! . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. 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(big_h00pla@72.161.198.136 with plain) by smtp125.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 01:44:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <043201c8f82c$65153fc0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <00a801c8f6e0$2c117d30$0301010a@seagull> <043201c8f82c$65153fc0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5AB6332A-DD87-4CAC-A277-618761AA3AD2@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:44:20 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Eu8wLMdbvYpkNYLZp1F8d6FuiJEBZuig6tLpSzvyRWv15CRSEA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Maybe it would be better explained the world doesn't hate us, the > world's leftists hate us. Scott, you have said some pretty close to ignorant things but this one is probably the top. I do not know how well traveled you are. I have been all over the earth and I can say that most of the nations of the world really don't like us. Even Canada doesn't like us all that much. Kevin From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Aug 06 19:15:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82258 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 02:15:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 02:15:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao104.cox.net) (68.230.241.42) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 02:15:07 -0000 X-Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080807021506.ZHZE6526.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:15:06 -0400 X-Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id zEF61Z00B1sYu8403EF6FS; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:15:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: <5AB6332A-DD87-4CAC-A277-618761AA3AD2@yahoo.com> References: <00a801c8f6e0$2c117d30$0301010a@seagull> <043201c8f82c$65153fc0$d503fea9@stodd> <5AB6332A-DD87-4CAC-A277-618761AA3AD2@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <4772C548-D763-49E7-BFFD-368673DB90D1@cox.net> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:15:02 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=Nbic7gCXkjO3dRdhcgdgjzb_26PTmIjqhMjoWCiQl2l05V8gRerdZRGEESEZ X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit China loves us. On Aug 6, 2008, at 6:44 PM, kevin redding wrote: > > > Maybe it would be better explained the world doesn't hate us, the > > world's leftists hate us. > > Scott, you have said some pretty close to ignorant things but this > one is probably the top. > > I do not know how well traveled you are. I have been all over the > earth and I can say that most of the nations of the world really > don't like us. Even Canada doesn't like us all that much. > > Kevin > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 19:34:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82619 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 02:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 02:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.221) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 02:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2008 02:33:59 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.251] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2008 02:33:59 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2008 02:33:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 713074.41515.bm@omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 97887 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 02:33:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@72.161.198.136 with plain) by smtp116.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 02:33:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gz6aajwVM1lpDih5vjoSHH5u8okMjMiDtStU2abXpVRb87QlLo9tt_7uoZjEzhQq_eRzT82M292E9GeUnzKAv600T4TfHdTK1KydR9Zwj1eBd2c7B1nU7PwQkjjJtBJM9Et32Q60.UlP4Hqf2duaMgc- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <4772C548-D763-49E7-BFFD-368673DB90D1@cox.net> References: <00a801c8f6e0$2c117d30$0301010a@seagull> <043201c8f82c$65153fc0$d503fea9@stodd> <5AB6332A-DD87-4CAC-A277-618761AA3AD2@yahoo.com> <4772C548-D763-49E7-BFFD-368673DB90D1@cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:33:57 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=MaInroFZJ3_kUmFMvpFBBCCIGBSVWuEgKFnBYQ-ej-lZQTSX2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla And China is very leftist. Kevin On Aug 6, 2008, at 9:15 PM, Richard Wagoner wrote: > China loves us. > > On Aug 6, 2008, at 6:44 PM, kevin redding wrote: > >> >>> Maybe it would be better explained the world doesn't hate us, the >>> world's leftists hate us. >> >> Scott, you have said some pretty close to ignorant things but this >> one is probably the top. >> >> I do not know how well traveled you are. I have been all over the >> earth and I can say that most of the nations of the world really >> don't like us. Even Canada doesn't like us all that much. >> >> Kevin >> >> >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Aug 06 20:04:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94705 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 03:04:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 03:04:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 03:04:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4229 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 03:04:31 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:04:31 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 03:04:31 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <043101c8f82c$638b9280$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <795973.4031.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=poRl3CDNZ27y9V1j2WFKiNqQla2oEIuK5vKv6I-1wc_1qmAX0-TS X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Then you are wrong.=A0 If you are right then why aren't you teaching the cl= ass?=A0 As a matter of fact why aren't anyone else on here teaching it sinc= e you are right?=A0 So you are saying the professors and folks who write th= e books are complete fools?=A0 Thats a major stand to be taking.=A0 What pa= sses for education?=A0 What passes for ignorance on here amazes me. =A0 =A0 --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote= : From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just that. Much of what p= asses for higher education nowadays is balderdash, especially in the libera= l arts. And I say that as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, tho= ugh I had 95% of everything done by 83. Scott ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what I said it was a= bout unless you are saying that my professors are wrong and that the textbo= oks are wrong! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Wed Aug 06 20:19:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33933 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 03:19:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 03:19:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 03:19:54 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEKW4NZA32PKFS for (sender ); Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:18:47 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDz6bWsQDg/7cGri2+iEcJvs= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NRX9S2K6; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:18:05 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.244.200] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 03:17:46 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 03:17:46 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080806.201746.21680.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 5:2:3521048384 X-MAIL-INFO:3a454009a1d5dd94b9c4c499c47d8494a90534b9658521c5c9250119e9dda1cd598560d9e9598d511575a46949590171bd7511092df040351941e97100f5ed0ced252000355439b41091113539e18d70b5a191a14189241d X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=OGmbvSz2L4LovBn3HkcNbc_OyAgDSpMSwI6MkNl08w X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn You are amazed by ignorance? You must really like TV wrestling. Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: Then you are wrong. If you are right then why aren't you teaching the clas= s? As a matter of fact why aren't anyone else on here teaching it since yo= u are right? So you are saying the professors and folks who write the book= s are complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What passes for e= ducation? What passes for ignorance on here amazes me. =20 =20 --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote= : From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just that. Much of what p= asses for higher education nowadays is balderdash, especially in the libera= l arts. And I say that as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, tho= ugh I had 95% of everything done by 83. Scott ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what I said it was a= bout unless you are saying that my professors are wrong and that the textbo= oks are wrong! From w6yn@juno.com Wed Aug 06 20:38:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55621 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 03:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 03:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 03:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEKW5S7A48L3GS for (sender ); Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:38:05 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD9aUvm0Cy7HFyMGDprJlW0U= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NRYAWAKA; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:37:20 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.244.200] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 03:36:31 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 03:36:31 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080806.203631.21680.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 18:9:1165410463 X-MAIL-INFO: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 dedb X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=SR89G1k2O7uhTi7zdEIFJggbAEtjKDQTdivoxA3d4g X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn One doesn't have to look far to find vocal liberals in the news media. Unbi= ased media seems to be difficult to find: Let's see ... ABC's Claire Shipman says the taxpayers, not the politicians, should sacrif= ice to close the budget deficit: "If every American were to pitch in $2,000= , we could pay off this year's deficit. ... Or, if we handed over, each of = us, 500 gallons of gasoline or, in terms we could all really understand, if= every American gave up 666 lattes for a year, we could pay off this year's= deficit." Dan Rather predicts Big Oil will try to manipulate the election for John Mc= Cain: "The people who can affect the price of oil would prefer a Republican= presidential candidate. Watch the price of oil. If it goes down, which it = may very well, it could help John McCain quite a bit." The Associated Press swoons: "It's not only Obama's youth, eloquence and en= ergy that have stolen hearts across the Atlantic. Obama has raised expectat= ions of a chance for the nation to redeem itself in the role that Europe ha= s loved, respected and relied upon." CBS's Mark Phillips melts in Berlin: "The 200,000-plus crowd confirmed his = rock star status, and his more cooperative sounding rhetoric was what the c= rowd wanted to hear." Alessandra Stanley of the New York Times rejects charges of pro-Obama bias = with this doozy: "Mr. Obama's weeklong tour of war zones and foreign capita= ls is noteworthy because it is so unusual to see a presidential candidate a= ct so presidential overseas." On "Meet the Press," NBC's Tom Brokaw prods Al Gore: "How can you, given th= e passion that you feel about this issue, turn down the idea that you could= be in the administration as a vice president or as an energy czar or as bo= th?" With a straight face, retiring New York Times reporter Linda Greenhouse cla= ims, "President Clinton played to the center, not the left, in selecting Ru= th Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer." NBC labels the late Jesse Helms an "outspoken ultra-rightist," but waxed ab= out Howard Metzenbaum as a "populist" who "always fought for the little guy= ." NBC's Matt Lauer presses Barack Obama -- as not liberal enough, quoting hot= heads at the New York Times: "Sen. Obama is not just tacking gently toward = the center. He's lurching right when it suits him, he's zigging with the ki= nd of reckless abandon that's guaranteed to cause disillusion, if not whipl= ash." New polls from battleground states delight MSNBC's Chris Matthews: "I'm thr= illed with this. Obama's strength in the Northeast, the West Coast and the = Great Lakes." CBS's Katie Couric sees bias now: "However you feel about her politics, I f= eel that Sen. Clinton received some of the most unfair, hostile coverage I'= ve ever seen." And Time's former Washington Bureau Chief Margaret Carlson pens, "If there'= s anything we need to rescue us from the last eight years, it's brains, goo= d judgment and experience. Obama has the first two. Gore has all three." NBC's Lee Cowan waxes, "In victory and in defeat Michelle Obama had always = been there, dressed as brightly as her husband's smile." ... In reference t= o John McCain's wife Cindy, New York Times reporter Alessandra Stanley writ= es: "As the Equal Rights Amendment faded as a cause and conservatism made a= comeback, Republican spouses became ever more careful to stay three steps = behind their men and the times." Former ABC reporter Linda Douglass, now an Obama spokesperson, reveals the = obvious: "I have fundamental differences with John McCain on the issues and= always have. I don't have any problem criticizing John McCain." AP reporter Charles Babington cheers: "Obama is something special, a man wh= o makes difficult tasks look easy, who seems to touch millions of diverse p= eople with a message of hope that somehow doesn't sound Pollyannaish."̷= 2; Conservative columnist Bob Novak tells it like it is: "I've been coverin= g presidential campaigns since 1960. I have always said I have never seen t= he media as much entranced by a candidate than when they were in my very fi= rst campaign, in 1960, when they were for JFK. But I'm telling you right no= w, the enchantment with Obama beats the JFK syndrome." Other than these, Bob, there are no liberals in the news media - just hones= t unbiased reporting. Don --- -- clemsonbloke wrote: Then you are wrong. If you are right then why aren't you teaching the clas= s? As a matter of fact why aren't anyone else on here teaching it since yo= u are right? So you are saying the professors and folks who write the book= s are complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What passes for e= ducation? What passes for ignorance on here amazes me. =20 =20 --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote= : From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just that. Much of what p= asses for higher education nowadays is balderdash, especially in the libera= l arts. And I say that as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, tho= ugh I had 95% of everything done by 83. Scott ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what I said it was a= bout unless you are saying that my professors are wrong and that the textbo= oks are wrong! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 22:20:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 382 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 05:20:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 05:20:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.49) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 05:20:23 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2008 05:20:23 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2008 05:20:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2008 05:20:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 05:20:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <568561.58572.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.91 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=xFZV5jjmBsxzw-PpkaTT4B5D-9lgLm--AaW-t-Q8kVhbJgkNyA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > Yup, SQ or QS was encoded by phase shifts between L & R, so to the=20 stations audio chain and transmitter, it was just regular stereo. The=20 matrix decoder in the receiver treated the same as a line in from a=20 record or tape. > I remember a few stations bragging that they had "converted to=20 quad", when all that conversion involved was getting a quad version of=20 the record! > WWWW, W4! Remember hearing them on an old Sansui quad receiver. > George >=20 > I think the quadraphonic era died because there wasn't only one=20 standard: CD-4, SQ, QS, RM... too much systems at the same time!!! And=20 the people often needs only one system. Today, in the digital era, we have a "quasi standard" surround system,=20 called Dolby surround, so I think today would be more easy the=20 transition to the 4 audio channels. The problem is... How to do it in "AM". I think we could use C-QUAM and ISB at the same time to get it. But=20 I'm not sure about some technical "details" (and the Motorola and Kahn=20 granted permission to use their "jewellery", of course). If somebody knows something about it, please let me know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 22:26:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9315 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 05:26:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 05:26:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 05:26:21 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2008 05:26:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2008 05:26:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 05:26:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.91 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=MpOfpSxjKdZ0-6QETnI4A5yuK_RrRyuUlP9ijUJGAWe_k2Rxgg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > > And China is very leftist. >=20 > Kevin Nobody hates USA. The problem is how USA has acted with some countries in the past,=20 and today. There has been some kind of "forced interference"... AND=20 NOBODY WANTS TO SEE SOMETHING RARE IN HIS/HER OWN YARD. That's all folks!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Aug 06 22:33:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33806 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 05:33:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 05:33:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 05:33:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 47544 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 05:33:18 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 05:33:18 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 05:33:18 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080806.201746.21680.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <904013.46677.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=mbdcg0HoKn69HNSHeRb0OMn83JuCj89uuQ3EXYHjR7Yxo36zocqA X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No sir I dont not watch wrestling. =A0 --- On Wed, 8/6/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:17 PM You are amazed by ignorance? You must really like TV wrestling. Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: Then you are wrong. If you are right then why aren't you teaching the class= ? As a matter of fact why aren't anyone else on here teaching it since you = are right? So you are saying the professors and folks who write the books a= re complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What passes for educat= ion? What passes for ignorance on here amazes me. --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net wro= te: From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just that. Much of what p= asses for higher education nowadays is balderdash, especially in the libera= l arts. And I say that as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, tho= ugh I had 95% of everything done by 83. Scott ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what I said it was a= bout unless you are saying that my professors are wrong and that the textbo= oks are wrong! =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rwagoner@cox.net Wed Aug 06 22:33:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53673 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 05:33:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 05:33:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fed1rmmtao104.cox.net) (68.230.241.42) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 05:33:24 -0000 X-Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080807053325.GLTX6526.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 01:33:25 -0400 X-Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.225.240.86]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id zHZQ1Z0011sYu8404HZQ02; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:33:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <795973.4031.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <795973.4031.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <0A796BCA-344F-4A02-87AC-081F46C87A26@cox.net> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:33:20 -0700 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.230.241.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=ujf93bnEUvS5T5O-2-Wu0nj98Jl0lGDPg--J0qG2rbcUzIwBrVd51g1ZcooU X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You are very naive. On Aug 6, 2008, at 8:04 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Then you are wrong. If you are right then why aren't you teaching > the class? As a matter of fact why aren't anyone else on here > teaching it since you are right? So you are saying the professors > and folks who write the books are complete fools? Thats a major > stand to be taking. What passes for education? What passes for > ignorance on here amazes me. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Aug 06 22:40:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49201 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 05:40:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 05:40:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 05:40:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 253 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 05:40:47 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 05:40:46 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 05:40:46 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080806.203631.21680.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <128197.99792.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=xtzcgKkEA9KS-4adqKi5UISXBvFSB9SPqVcXavgS3rBIgWv4EoKL X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don, =A0 Thats not even practical thought.=A0 If the taxpayers (which are every sing= le american) dont pay off the debt who will?=A0 You misunderstand what this= country is about then if you think we shouldn't pay our fair share.=A0 Yes= I think taxes are high and higher than should be but its the middle class = that pays the brunt of taxes, not the rich.=A0 We all though own this count= ry and we all have to do our part.=A0 Therefore we all must pay the debt of= f and I am for paying the debt off.=A0 Why sir should we be indebted to Chi= na and keep borrowing money we don't have?=A0 As I said I dont claim one si= de.=A0 I can see BS on both sides.=A0 The debt though needs to be paid down= .=A0 We need to get away from any dependence on other countries.=A0 We also= need to bring back our own manufacturing.=A0 American Made used to be a th= ing of pride.=A0 What is made in America anymore?=A0 We don't like taxes bu= t we are all stewards of this country and we must pay our part no matter ho= w unfair it may be.=A0 It's our civic duty.=A0 It all depends on perspective= .=A0 Now income taxes are one thing and I think all that needs overhauling.= =A0 The whole tax code should be scrapped and designed as a fair system acr= oss the board.=A0 Yes that should be done.=A0 At the end of the day though = it still comes down to the fact we are all stewards of this place and we ha= ve to pay our part.=A0 Whether or not you think its wrong or right. =A0 --- On Wed, 8/6/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:36 PM One doesn't have to look far to find vocal liberals in the news media. Unbi= ased media seems to be difficult to find: Let's see ... ABC's Claire Shipman says the taxpayers, not the politicians, should sacrif= ice to close the budget deficit: "If every American were to pitch in $2,000= , we could pay off this year's deficit. ... Or, if we handed over, each of = us, 500 gallons of gasoline or, in terms we could all really understand, if= every American gave up 666 lattes for a year, we could pay off this year's= deficit." Dan Rather predicts Big Oil will try to manipulate the election for John Mc= Cain: "The people who can affect the price of oil would prefer a Republican= presidential candidate. Watch the price of oil. If it goes down, which it = may very well, it could help John McCain quite a bit." The Associated Press swoons: "It's not only Obama's youth, eloquence and en= ergy that have stolen hearts across the Atlantic. Obama has raised expectat= ions of a chance for the nation to redeem itself in the role that Europe ha= s loved, respected and relied upon." CBS's Mark Phillips melts in Berlin: "The 200,000-plus crowd confirmed his = rock star status, and his more cooperative sounding rhetoric was what the c= rowd wanted to hear." Alessandra Stanley of the New York Times rejects charges of pro-Obama bias = with this doozy: "Mr. Obama's weeklong tour of war zones and foreign capita= ls is noteworthy because it is so unusual to see a presidential candidate a= ct so presidential overseas." On "Meet the Press," NBC's Tom Brokaw prods Al Gore: "How can you, given th= e passion that you feel about this issue, turn down the idea that you could= be in the administration as a vice president or as an energy czar or as bo= th?" With a straight face, retiring New York Times reporter Linda Greenhouse cla= ims, "President Clinton played to the center, not the left, in selecting Ru= th Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer." NBC labels the late Jesse Helms an "outspoken ultra-rightist, " but waxed a= bout Howard Metzenbaum as a "populist" who "always fought for the little gu= y." NBC's Matt Lauer presses Barack Obama -- as not liberal enough, quoting hot= heads at the New York Times: "Sen. Obama is not just tacking gently toward = the center. He's lurching right when it suits him, he's zigging with the ki= nd of reckless abandon that's guaranteed to cause disillusion, if not whipl= ash." New polls from battleground states delight MSNBC's Chris Matthews: "I'm thr= illed with this. Obama's strength in the Northeast, the West Coast and the = Great Lakes." CBS's Katie Couric sees bias now: "However you feel about her politics, I f= eel that Sen. Clinton received some of the most unfair, hostile coverage I'= ve ever seen." And Time's former Washington Bureau Chief Margaret Carlson pens, "If there'= s anything we need to rescue us from the last eight years, it's brains, goo= d judgment and experience. Obama has the first two. Gore has all three." NBC's Lee Cowan waxes, "In victory and in defeat Michelle Obama had always = been there, dressed as brightly as her husband's smile." ... In reference t= o John McCain's wife Cindy, New York Times reporter Alessandra Stanley writ= es: "As the Equal Rights Amendment faded as a cause and conservatism made a= comeback, Republican spouses became ever more careful to stay three steps = behind their men and the times." Former ABC reporter Linda Douglass, now an Obama spokesperson, reveals the = obvious: "I have fundamental differences with John McCain on the issues and= always have. I don't have any problem criticizing John McCain." AP reporter Charles Babington cheers: "Obama is something special, a man wh= o makes difficult tasks look easy, who seems to touch millions of diverse p= eople with a message of hope that somehow doesn't sound Pollyannaish. "R= 32; Conservative columnist Bob Novak tells it like it is: "I've been coveri= ng presidential campaigns since 1960. I have always said I have never seen = the media as much entranced by a candidate than when they were in my very f= irst campaign, in 1960, when they were for JFK. But I'm telling you right n= ow, the enchantment with Obama beats the JFK syndrome." Other than these, Bob, there are no liberals in the news media - just hones= t unbiased reporting. Don --- -- clemsonbloke wrote: Then you are wrong. If you are right then why aren't you teaching the class= ? As a matter of fact why aren't anyone else on here teaching it since you = are right? So you are saying the professors and folks who write the books a= re complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What passes for educat= ion? What passes for ignorance on here amazes me. --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net wro= te: From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just that. Much of what p= asses for higher education nowadays is balderdash, especially in the libera= l arts. And I say that as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, tho= ugh I had 95% of everything done by 83. Scott ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what I said it was a= bout unless you are saying that my professors are wrong and that the textbo= oks are wrong! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Aug 06 22:48:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2309 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 05:48:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 05:48:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 05:48:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17025 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 05:48:20 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 05:48:20 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 05:48:20 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0A796BCA-344F-4A02-87AC-081F46C87A26@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <424120.16615.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=p5sQ-j-s_8r_IPeAWXQkpA_oU7yhtN70noVw3ZN2OQmfcOAxEAQW X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not naive, i'm making a point.=A0 Some people just do not think about t= hings.=A0 I'm playing devils advocate here.=A0 You people are dim if you ca= n't figure out things!=A0 Gee!=A0 Did you know that naive spelled backwards= spells Evian?=A0 What is Evian?=A0 It's a bottled water so what does that = say?=A0 I'll tell you what.=A0 People that buy bottled water are not well i= nformed.=A0 For one bottled water does not have to pass the same stringent = tests and filtering as tap water.=A0 Pretty neat thing to name water Evian = when you are really telling people they are naive!=A0 Speaking of wasting m= oney have you ever thought about how much you spend on a bottle of water ve= rsus the price of the same amount of water from a tap?=A0 And people bitch = about gas prices.=A0 What about milk?=A0 Milk was costing more than a gallo= n than gas. That is if you were getting Pet.=A0 I'm not saying that gas isn= 't high but you must also consider the prices going on for food.=A0 I remem= ber about 10 or 12 or so years ago you could get a whopper value meal for like $2.95= =A0 and now it's almost $6.=A0 At any rate I still know that people that bu= y bottled water are pretty naive or are the Evian?=A0 hehehehe ;o) =A0 -Kevin (Clemsonbloke) =A0 -Kevin (Clemsonbloke) since theres two kevins on here!=A0=20 --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Richard Wagoner wrote: From: Richard Wagoner Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:33 AM You are very naive. On Aug 6, 2008, at 8:04 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Then you are wrong. If you are right then why aren't you teaching=20 > the class? As a matter of fact why aren't anyone else on here=20 > teaching it since you are right? So you are saying the professors=20 > and folks who write the books are complete fools? Thats a major=20 > stand to be taking. What passes for education? What passes for=20 > ignorance on here amazes me. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Aug 06 22:55:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22350 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 05:55:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 05:55:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 05:55:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61526 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 05:55:42 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 05:55:42 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 05:55:42 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <260466.60878.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: New Small Town Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=2XMW3xyZ1Gxu7nNEz7idMZRizYGVtRviKfkJpmIn9OUqkOBk6C8I X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Alright we've hashed this crap forever and honestly i'm ready for more radio talk, this is radio isn't it? We also are straying from the topic of this forum way too much so I want to bring it back in line. I'd like someone to adress a recent product. I'd like to hear from one of our resident experts on this matter. We've all discussed the Sangean HD radio component tuner in the past and other models. We all know that the Sangean and that small radio shack radio also decode CQUAM. Sony has recently come out with a component HD radio tuner. It is the XDR-F1HD and it is an attractive and affordable component tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well? That is what i'd like to know. Here is a link to the sony page with this product: http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665401984 Does anyone have any information on this product as far as CQUAM is concerned? I know most of the HD units that do in fact decode CQUAM do not advertise that fact. Maybe Kevin would know about this? Well what do you folks think about this unit? I rather like its looks. -Kevin (ClemsonBloke) From dav259@optusnet.com.au Thu Aug 07 01:39:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39067 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 08:39:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 08:39:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.189) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 08:39:55 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d122-104-70-209.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [122.104.70.209]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m778dq69012719 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:39:53 +1000 To: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:39:51 +1000 Message-ID: <005c01c8f869$29384ff0$0301010a@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acj4K9iFYjAmPsX2QByClca3WiQzQAAO4dkg In-Reply-To: <043201c8f82c$65153fc0$d503fea9@stodd> X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=pj4KBEekM6mY2iNaR87ajtR44DcfnpB3qv_tD_KqMK5r X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 > From: Scott Todd > Maybe it would be better explained the world doesn't hate > us, the world's leftists hate us. We Aussies don't hate Americans Scott. We love you. And we're not all leftist like me. We just detest your current White House administration for all the unnecessary grief that it's caused, and we'd love to see a positive change. We don't hate China either. In one recent survey China came across as less threatening than America. And you can thank the great "new-cu-la" fountain of wisdom peace and democracy - George W Bush - for that. Ian From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 07 03:18:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74898 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 10:18:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 10:18:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 10:18:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11567 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 10:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:18:24 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:18:24 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <662969.11502.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=A9cZdT0gCH6x4yCZGGNGjXno_MWpUm_ydfh2nZljFNTY3bAAhEx- X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke No I was thinking about Mike Malloy.=A0 He REALLY gets fired up and I love = to hear him!=A0 He's on Nova M though I think.=A0 I may have said Air Ameri= ca but on XM Air America and Nova M were together on the same channel at on= e point. =A0 -Kevin --- On Tue, 8/5/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 3:47 PM You maybe mean Ed Schultz? He can get really fired up sometimes, and he DOE= S make sense. G --- On Tue, 8/5/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 4:01 AM > Yeah I think that was Air Americas problem was they came out > swinging too hard too fast.=A0 I mean I can understand though > because that view had so long been supressed on radio.=A0 I > think though they could have done democrats more justice by > being educated, well read, and speaking with authority but > not disrespect.=A0 I have to say though, that guy on Air > America from Atlanta, heck I can't remember his name but > he was hilarious when he was rippin bush a new asshole one > night.=A0 I never laughed so hard in my life.=A0 That was good > radio! > =A0 > -Kevin >=20 > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, george russell > wrote: >=20 > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 6:14 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > It is in Detroit, too, Kevin. Our only station that > isn't pegged to the right end of the spectrum has Air > America...but come on, how effective is THAT? Fire the > talkers who are too busy joking to get down to serious > matters, and put somebody articulate like you or I behind > the mike! > There are no sacred cows in my view, the truth isn't > always pleasant, but it should always be told, and proof > given. (OK, Thom Hartmann is a good start, I guess) > G >=20 > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, kevin redding com> wrote: >=20 > > From: kevin redding > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:54 AM > > On Aug 4, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Richard Wagoner wrote: > >=20 > > > And very unlike television, newspapers, public > radio > > and cable news > > > which are dominated by democrat cronies. > >=20 > > It depends on where you live. It might be that way in > > California but=20 > > in Arizona and Tennessee its way dominated by GOP > robots on > > the air. > >=20 > > Kevin >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From tubesareking@yahoo.ca Thu Aug 07 05:25:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tubesareking@yahoo.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35892 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 12:25:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 12:25:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.130) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 12:25:29 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n3.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2008 12:25:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2008 12:25:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2008 12:25:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:25:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5AB6332A-DD87-4CAC-A277-618761AA3AD2@yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 142.176.20.3 From: "Phil" Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154149610; y=vk5bletKB-cAKHCgyfdpLjENZQWpC2hzA6FKTK7po3BLlaVVEbAs X-Yahoo-Profile: tubesareking Since we are WAY off topic anyway, I might as well chime in :) Most Canadians do like most Americans. We are more comfortable and=20 assertive of our independence - less touchy, more confident than we=20 used to be. Carbonated beveridges are pop, not soda. Centre is=20 spelled centre, not center. Its Zed, not Zee. LOL. Our economy is less=20 dependent on the USA than it used to be, that helps too. The internet=20 and free trade helps too. The old image of loud mouth American=20 tourists arriving with skis on their roof racks in mid July has been=20 shattered. With my ebay buying and internet groups etc. I have been left with a=20 pretty good impression of the American people. I also, through some=20 online dealings, have an extremely positive impression of "radio=20 people" from Italy. I also have a very positive impression of Chinese and Japanese people,=20 as we have many visitors to PEI from those countries. And, quite a few=20 immigrants from China too. They come accross as very nice and very=20 enthusistic people. Every time some neat new radio loaded with=20 features and with good performance at a great price comes out of China=20 I think to myself how nice it is that manufacturers are making=20 affordable stuff for us radio nuts. As for the American government, most Canadians do not have a good=20 impression of many of the past US presidents. We did not like Nixon,=20 and our prime minister at the time, Pierre Trudeau, knew how to deal=20 with him. Carter was, and still is, well liked. We had mixed feeling=20 about Reagan - we were scared about him because we saw him as so right=20 wing, yet we found him folksy and down to earth - and our prime=20 minister at the time, Brian Mulroney [for all Mulroney's faults] seemed=20 to bring out the best in Ronald Reagan. Bill Clinton generally made a=20 good impression, and we felt that his personal weaknesses were a matter=20 relevant between him and Hillary. George Bush the first was viewed in=20 much higher regard than George W.=20=20 Our current prime minister, Stephen Harper, is kind of an interesting=20 cat. His normal inclination is pretty right wing. But, since he heads=20 a minority government, his government actually has been pretty=20 centrist. He is pro defense, and I like that - as he is putting much=20 needed funds into the military. He runs a tight ship financially, as=20 did Martin and Chretien before him, with year after year of budget=20 surpluses. He is a bit wooden, some say boring. But public office=20 seems to have guided him toward the Canadian centre. Needless to say, the upcoming US election is pretty interesting. We=20 perceive McCain as pretty moderate for a Republican, although every=20 time I hear his name I still think of frozen french fries and frozen=20 pizzas, due to the New Brunswick based frozen food Canadian multi- national corporation that happens to share his name. Obama intrigues=20 us - so different - perhaps so visionary and progressive. Plus, we may have an election this Fall if the Harper government=20 falls. Right now Harper is hoping Stephan Dion will force an=20 election. I think Harper figures that Dion's Carbon Tax idea will=20 backfire. The thought of heading into winter with an extra tax placed=20 on home heating oil may give Harper a majority. Dumb idea that some=20 aspects of his carbon tax is, there is still something likeable about=20 Dion. Sort of an egg-head academic that is folksy and likeable - like=20 the seemingly ivory tower college prof that was kind and helpful to his=20 students. As for Jack Layton - he is no Ed Broadbent. Ed was, and still is, a=20 great guy. As is Joe Clark. Elizabeth May is a great person who I admire greatly, but I don't think=20 the Green Party is going to get anywhere! Phil Rafuse Stratford PEI Canada Phil --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > >=20 > > Maybe it would be better explained the world doesn't hate us, the=20=20 > > world's leftists hate us. >=20 > Scott, you have said some pretty close to ignorant things but this=20=20 > one is probably the top. >=20 > I do not know how well traveled you are. I have been all over the=20=20 > earth and I can say that most of the nations of the world really=20=20 > don't like us. Even Canada doesn't like us all that much. >=20 > Kevin > From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 07:58:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48889 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 14:58:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 14:58:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 14:58:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27334 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 14:58:18 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.172] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:58:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 07:58:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <806776.26914.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=lSEetpO4scxz1L4x16cRL7N300xfdGHVPVqjd_q4MGI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW They love our money P NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 8/6/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 10:33 PM > And China is very leftist. From w6yn@juno.com Thu Aug 07 10:12:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56917 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 17:12:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 17:12:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 17:12:25 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEKYMGFAY8ZGN2 for (sender ); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:11:33 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD2MoqsxSebSnevJCg7GfOS8= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NRZRFNTC; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:10:45 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.244.200] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:10:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:10:13 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080807.101013.8420.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:3:175974429 X-MAIL-INFO:01333f9b37777ecf77bbbe77f7aaee433e4b2a430e0e83fbe387432bda2b3be3fa773e1f1f37ef732ae3be X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=bFfQLwRAl07pRugBDrvZ3JhJo1qpem4t3EAIoXiXZA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn What started all of the hashing was someone decided it was a good idea to r= egulate free speech. Free speech is not allowing the federal government man= age political speech on the public airwaves. Rather than having the government regulate what people can say, we should l= et the market decide what people want to hear. That=92s precisely why the F= airness Doctrine was abandoned, and that=92s why it ought not to be revived= . Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: Alright we've hashed this crap forever and honestly i'm ready for more radi= o talk, this is radio isn't it? We also are straying from the topic of thi= s forum way too much so I want to bring it back in line. I'd like someone = to adress a recent product. I'd like to hear from one of our resident expe= rts on this matter. We've all discussed the Sangean HD radio component tun= er in the past and other models. We all know that the Sangean and that sma= ll radio shack radio also decode CQUAM. Sony has recently come out with a = component HD radio tuner. It is the XDR-F1HD and it is an attractive and a= ffordable component tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as = well? That is what i'd like to know. Here is a link to the sony page with= this product: http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId= =3D10551&storeId=3D10151&langId=3D-1&productId=3D8198552921665401984 Does anyone have any information on this product as far as CQUAM is concern= ed? I know most of the HD units that do in fact decode CQUAM do not advert= ise that fact. Maybe Kevin would know about this? Well what do you folks = think about this unit? I rather like its looks. -Kevin (ClemsonBloke) From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 10:33:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29245 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 17:33:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 17:33:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 17:33:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30407 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 17:33:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:33:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:33:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <128197.99792.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <510662.30337.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=mxGC4W2WjH5FDKaZ0ks1v8zhRNYZHxXVcXDutlpT_FzXRg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I've got a good idea (which means we will probably never see it happen): Why not get rid of the income tax altogether, and tax only goods and servic= es? That way, the rich who just HAVE to have the 12 Mercedes and the gazil= lion room house WILL pay their fair share, while the poorest among us will = pay only what they can. Leave taxes off of basic needs, such as food and h= ousing. If we do it right, it WILL work! I know at least one state (can't remember which one, north-east area?) has done this with success. I'm sick to death of the excuses for the rich, "but they provide jobs!", RE= ALLY??? Where?!? in Mexico? In China? WHERE? Sure as hell not here in Michigan! = Oh, OK, maybe in the "Service Industry" (what a euphemism!) slaving over a = hot hamburger grill, or sweating their brains out in a factory, for a wage = that can barely support one person, let alone a family.=20 That is just OBSCENE! And yet the "religious right" (which is frankly neith= er!) finds it OK...so exploitation and abuse are Christian values? Not in MY Bible!=20 "But we shouldn't tax the rich to feed the poor". Let's hear BOTH sides of= the story! Who's labor, sweat, and blood did they use to GET rich? Whether by hitting it good in the market, inheriting it, or outright exploi= ting it, SOMEBODY got their hands dirty doing the grunt work, or even riski= ng their health or very life...and it damn sure wasn't the rich, as such endeavors are light-years beneath them. I repeat, when somebody well-off, smugly admiring and brown-nosing the righ= t-wing liars, cheaters, thieves loses THEIR job, or THEIR home, THEN I thin= k they will finally see what those on the left figured out a long time ago! "To take more than one needs, if it means somebody else losing out, is wron= g", to paraphrase...Carl Marx? NO! Vladimir Lenin? NO! How about St. Frances of Asisi! (so now you can call me a sissi AND a commi= e pinko!) What we need is what happened in Poland, years back...EVERY working man and= woman (and sadly, child) just NOT SHOW UP FOR WORK! When nobody gets thei= r trash hauled away, their breakfast served, or there power kept on, then maybe we will appreciate those who the damn snobs keep looking down th= eir despicable plastic noses at! Of course, in this country, Bush, Chaney and Assoc. would just call out the= military, and make us work at gunpoint. And if you think THAT can't happen= in a "free country" (free as long as you can afford it), you better look i= nto the history of coal mining! If what happened in Matawan,=20 West-thank God-Virginia doesn't break your heart, you don't HAVE ONE! Whoever said I had a compassionate heart was right..I have a HUGE PASSION a= nd UNBREAKABLE LOVE for the working American, and God help the plutocrat th= at thinks they can change THAT with ill-informed or outright dishonest right-wing rhetoric! I'm poor, but I'm NOT BLIND or STUPID! And this IS related to AM Stereo...I'll say it over a C-QUAM transmitter wi= th a 15 second delay between channels, so that in case anything is missed, = it can be heard AGAIN!=20=20 I could go on, but at a b.p. of 180/100 and rising, I better stop... I can't afford a doctor if I "blow a gasket"... G --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:40 AM > Don, > =A0 > Thats not even practical thought.=A0 If the taxpayers (which > are every single american) dont pay off the debt who will?=A0 > You misunderstand what this country is about then if you > think we shouldn't pay our fair share.=A0 Yes I think > taxes are high and higher than should be but its the middle > class that pays the brunt of taxes, not the rich.=A0 We all > though own this country and we all have to do our part.=A0 > Therefore we all must pay the debt off and I am for paying > the debt off.=A0 Why sir should we be indebted to China and > keep borrowing money we don't have?=A0 As I said I dont > claim one side.=A0 I can see BS on both sides.=A0 The debt > though needs to be paid down.=A0 We need to get away from any > dependence on other countries.=A0 We also need to bring back > our own manufacturing.=A0 American Made used to be a thing of > pride.=A0 What is made in America anymore?=A0 We don't > like taxes but we are all stewards of this country and we > must pay our part no matter how > unfair it may be.=A0 It's our civic duty.=A0 It all > depends on perspective.=A0 Now income taxes are one thing and > I think all that needs overhauling.=A0 The whole tax code > should be scrapped and designed as a fair system across the > board.=A0 Yes that should be done.=A0 At the end of the day > though it still comes down to the fact we are all stewards > of this place and we have to pay our part.=A0 Whether or not > you think its wrong or right. > =A0 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: >=20 > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:36 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > One doesn't have to look far to find vocal liberals in > the news media. Unbiased media seems to be difficult to > find: >=20 > Let's see ... >=20 > ABC's Claire Shipman says the taxpayers, not the > politicians, should sacrifice to close the budget deficit: > "If every American were to pitch in $2,000, we could > pay off this year's deficit. ... Or, if we handed over, > each of us, 500 gallons of gasoline or, in terms we could > all really understand, if every American gave up 666 lattes > for a year, we could pay off this year's deficit." >=20 > Dan Rather predicts Big Oil will try to manipulate the > election for John McCain: "The people who can affect > the price of oil would prefer a Republican presidential > candidate. Watch the price of oil. If it goes down, which it > may very well, it could help John McCain quite a bit." >=20 > The Associated Press swoons: "It's not only > Obama's youth, eloquence and energy that have stolen > hearts across the Atlantic. Obama has raised expectations of > a chance for the nation to redeem itself in the role that > Europe has loved, respected and relied upon." >=20 > CBS's Mark Phillips melts in Berlin: "The > 200,000-plus crowd confirmed his rock star status, and his > more cooperative sounding rhetoric was what the crowd wanted > to hear." >=20 > Alessandra Stanley of the New York Times rejects charges of > pro-Obama bias with this doozy: "Mr. Obama's > weeklong tour of war zones and foreign capitals is > noteworthy because it is so unusual to see a presidential > candidate act so presidential overseas." >=20 > On "Meet the Press," NBC's Tom Brokaw prods > Al Gore: "How can you, given the passion that you feel > about this issue, turn down the idea that you could be in > the administration as a vice president or as an energy czar > or as both?" >=20 > With a straight face, retiring New York Times reporter > Linda Greenhouse claims, "President Clinton played to > the center, not the left, in selecting Ruth Bader Ginsburg > and Stephen G. Breyer." >=20 > NBC labels the late Jesse Helms an "outspoken > ultra-rightist, " but waxed about Howard Metzenbaum as > a "populist" who "always fought for the > little guy." >=20 > NBC's Matt Lauer presses Barack Obama -- as not liberal > enough, quoting hotheads at the New York Times: "Sen. > Obama is not just tacking gently toward the center. He's > lurching right when it suits him, he's zigging with the > kind of reckless abandon that's guaranteed to cause > disillusion, if not whiplash." >=20 > New polls from battleground states delight MSNBC's > Chris Matthews: "I'm thrilled with this. > Obama's strength in the Northeast, the West Coast and > the Great Lakes." >=20 > CBS's Katie Couric sees bias now: "However you > feel about her politics, I feel that Sen. Clinton received > some of the most unfair, hostile coverage I've ever > seen." >=20 > And Time's former Washington Bureau Chief Margaret > Carlson pens, "If there's anything we need to > rescue us from the last eight years, it's brains, good > judgment and experience. Obama has the first two. Gore has > all three." >=20 > NBC's Lee Cowan waxes, "In victory and in defeat > Michelle Obama had always been there, dressed as brightly as > her husband's smile." ... In reference to John > McCain's wife Cindy, New York Times reporter Alessandra > Stanley writes: "As the Equal Rights Amendment faded as > a cause and conservatism made a comeback, Republican spouses > became ever more careful to stay three steps behind their > men and the times." >=20 > Former ABC reporter Linda Douglass, now an Obama > spokesperson, reveals the obvious: "I have fundamental > differences with John McCain on the issues and always have. > I don't have any problem criticizing John McCain." >=20 > AP reporter Charles Babington cheers: "Obama is > something special, a man who makes difficult tasks look > easy, who seems to touch millions of diverse people with a > message of hope that somehow doesn't sound Pollyannaish. > "
 Conservative columnist Bob Novak tells it > like it is: "I've been covering presidential > campaigns since 1960. I have always said I have never seen > the media as much entranced by a candidate than when they > were in my very first campaign, in 1960, when they were for > JFK. But I'm telling you right now, the enchantment with > Obama beats the JFK syndrome." >=20 > Other than these, Bob, there are no liberals in the news > media - just honest unbiased reporting. >=20 > Don >=20 > --- >=20 > -- clemsonbloke wrote: > Then you are wrong. If you are right then why aren't > you teaching the class? As a matter of fact why aren't > anyone else on here teaching it since you are right? So you > are saying the professors and folks who write the books are > complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What > passes for education? What passes for ignorance on here > amazes me. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net > wrote: >=20 > From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net .net> > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM >=20 > At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just > that. Much of what passes for higher education nowadays is > balderdash, especially in the liberal arts. And I say that > as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, though I > had 95% of everything done by 83. >=20 > Scott > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: clemsonbloke=20 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 >=20 > Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what > I said it was about unless you are saying that my professors > are wrong and that the textbooks are wrong! >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > http://www.usfamily .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 10:38:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87484 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 17:38:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 17:38:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 17:38:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 56094 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 17:38:07 -0000 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:38:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:38:07 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <387421.55660.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=-UvE9t113-rXmXcmPwg5iloTh7b0cbYz1WnocdCJ0Jsw_AptnIURwFw X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Somebody wrote: "...Sony...XDR-F1HD is an attractive and affordable component tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well?..." Good question; I'm selling my Visteon HD Jump radio right now as it does not decode CQuam (somebody said that their Visteon car radio did though). Despite claims that the Directed Electronics units decode CQuam - that's a happy thought, as I cannot decode CFCO in stereo, nor playing around adjusting my Aspysis CQuam transmitter, can I get AM stereo decoding. Has anybody else tried the Visteon, and can they get it to decode CQuam? The Sangean HD, revised tuner, seems to be the ticket, but it's still over $200; the Sony would be great if it could, but I'm willing to bet it has a POS AM tuner with crappy bandwidth but a smokin' hot FM tuner, like most of the HD's. I've been extremely happy with the FM tuners in the HD radios I've used. First adjacent FM channels come back to life that I haven't heard since the 70's!! and the RDS is pretty sweet. They still need a "force to analog" switch though. Could somebody start a new AM-HD-Stereo Station Listing, as it seems that there's even less HD-AM-Stereo than there are CQuam AM Stereo! From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 10:39:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10723 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 17:39:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 17:39:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 17:39:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 48452 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 17:39:53 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:39:53 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:39:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <387421.55660.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <441548.48256.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=HLXbRMlB3WuXfq8celu0G0phWb6EdJxYnq1ZEED8qWU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Don't know about the bandwidth, but it would pick up AM HD that NO OTHER unit would. The FM is above amazing I have also heard. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 10:51:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17068 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 17:51:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 17:51:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 17:51:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 95812 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 17:51:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:51:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:51:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <787345.95744.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=V2DT5Un1qBvhT5l8tcBCMXoLLlJiU3NEJ92NkOkJ8m8IIw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Phil, do you remember a song called "The Americans", spoken by the late great CKLW newscaster Byron McGregor? Sums it up nicely, I thought. We must all remember, it is a different thing to hate a country than to hate it's government! I detested Stalin, but have many beloved Russian friends. I don't care for the situation between us and Mexico, but that doesn't mean I can't still love my Mexican son more than life itself! "Love the sinner, hate the sin" as they say...G --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Phil wrote: > From: Phil > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 8:25 AM > Since we are WAY off topic anyway, I might as well chime in > :) > > Most Canadians do like most Americans. We are more > comfortable and > assertive of our independence - less touchy, more confident > than we > used to be. Carbonated beveridges are pop, not soda. > Centre is > spelled centre, not center. Its Zed, not Zee. LOL. Our > economy is less > dependent on the USA than it used to be, that helps too. > The internet > and free trade helps too. The old image of loud mouth > American > tourists arriving with skis on their roof racks in mid July > has been > shattered. > > With my ebay buying and internet groups etc. I have been > left with a > pretty good impression of the American people. I also, > through some > online dealings, have an extremely positive impression of > "radio > people" from Italy. > > I also have a very positive impression of Chinese and > Japanese people, > as we have many visitors to PEI from those countries. And, > quite a few > immigrants from China too. They come accross as very nice > and very > enthusistic people. Every time some neat new radio loaded > with > features and with good performance at a great price comes > out of China > I think to myself how nice it is that manufacturers are > making > affordable stuff for us radio nuts. > > As for the American government, most Canadians do not have > a good > impression of many of the past US presidents. We did not > like Nixon, > and our prime minister at the time, Pierre Trudeau, knew > how to deal > with him. Carter was, and still is, well liked. We had > mixed feeling > about Reagan - we were scared about him because we saw him > as so right > wing, yet we found him folksy and down to earth - and our > prime > minister at the time, Brian Mulroney [for all > Mulroney's faults] seemed > to bring out the best in Ronald Reagan. Bill Clinton > generally made a > good impression, and we felt that his personal weaknesses > were a matter > relevant between him and Hillary. George Bush the first was > viewed in > much higher regard than George W. > > Our current prime minister, Stephen Harper, is kind of an > interesting > cat. His normal inclination is pretty right wing. But, > since he heads > a minority government, his government actually has been > pretty > centrist. He is pro defense, and I like that - as he is > putting much > needed funds into the military. He runs a tight ship > financially, as > did Martin and Chretien before him, with year after year of > budget > surpluses. He is a bit wooden, some say boring. But public > office > seems to have guided him toward the Canadian centre. > > Needless to say, the upcoming US election is pretty > interesting. We > perceive McCain as pretty moderate for a Republican, > although every > time I hear his name I still think of frozen french fries > and frozen > pizzas, due to the New Brunswick based frozen food Canadian > multi- > national corporation that happens to share his name. Obama > intrigues > us - so different - perhaps so visionary and progressive. > > Plus, we may have an election this Fall if the Harper > government > falls. Right now Harper is hoping Stephan Dion will force > an > election. I think Harper figures that Dion's Carbon > Tax idea will > backfire. The thought of heading into winter with an extra > tax placed > on home heating oil may give Harper a majority. Dumb idea > that some > aspects of his carbon tax is, there is still something > likeable about > Dion. Sort of an egg-head academic that is folksy and > likeable - like > the seemingly ivory tower college prof that was kind and > helpful to his > students. > > As for Jack Layton - he is no Ed Broadbent. Ed was, and > still is, a > great guy. As is Joe Clark. > > Elizabeth May is a great person who I admire greatly, but I > don't think > the Green Party is going to get anywhere! > > Phil Rafuse > Stratford PEI Canada > > Phil > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding > > wrote: > > > > > > > Maybe it would be better explained the world > doesn't hate us, the > > > world's leftists hate us. > > > > Scott, you have said some pretty close to ignorant > things but this > > one is probably the top. > > > > I do not know how well traveled you are. I have been > all over the > > earth and I can say that most of the nations of the > world really > > don't like us. Even Canada doesn't like us all > that much. > > > > Kevin > > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 10:52:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99887 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 17:52:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 17:52:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 17:52:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96772 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 17:52:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:52:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:52:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <806776.26914.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <20288.96269.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=_y50mMCTggQf5bJp8KD_yYIW0Wxvwsr_PbrxWnzlIbQWyg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 And that is why the U.S. dollar is flying so high today? G --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:58 AM > They love our money > > P > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, kevin redding > wrote: > > > From: kevin redding > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it > won't be C-QUAM > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 10:33 PM > > And China is very leftist. From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 10:57:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65002 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 17:57:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 17:57:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 17:57:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 732 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 17:57:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:57:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:57:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080807.101013.8420.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <874028.590.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=2AMtSaRx-avGykRGXyqOozCGd4YRCVTDUl675a8WmAtY5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I kinda see your point, Don, but how much of it is really free, anyway? Last time I checked, air-time is NOT cheap! That aside, it is only natural= human nature for a station to allow more time from those they agree with. = Maybe the answer is to go back to the ownership limitations? Bye-Bye, Cheap Channel!!! (and along with it, the anti-C-QUAM and anti-hig= h-fidelity attitudes they so cherish!) George --- On Thu, 8/7/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:10 PM > What started all of the hashing was someone decided it was a > good idea to regulate free speech. Free speech is not > allowing the federal government manage political speech on > the public airwaves. > Rather than having the government regulate what people can > say, we should let the market decide what people want to > hear. That=E2=80=99s precisely why the Fairness Doctrine was > abandoned, and that=E2=80=99s why it ought not to be revived. >=20 > Don >=20 > -- clemsonbloke wrote: > Alright we've hashed this crap forever and honestly > i'm ready for more radio talk, this is radio isn't > it? We also are straying from the topic of this forum way > too much so I want to bring it back in line. I'd like > someone to adress a recent product. I'd like to hear > from one of our resident experts on this matter. We've > all discussed the Sangean HD radio component tuner in the > past and other models. We all know that the Sangean and > that small radio shack radio also decode CQUAM. Sony has > recently come out with a component HD radio tuner. It is > the XDR-F1HD and it is an attractive and affordable > component tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes > CQUAM as well? That is what i'd like to know. Here is > a link to the sony page with this product: >=20 > http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalog= Id=3D10551&storeId=3D10151&langId=3D-1&productId=3D8198552921665401984 >=20 > Does anyone have any information on this product as far as > CQUAM is concerned? I know most of the HD units that do in > fact decode CQUAM do not advertise that fact. Maybe Kevin > would know about this? Well what do you folks think about > this unit? I rather like its looks. >=20 > -Kevin (ClemsonBloke) =20=20=20=20=20=20 From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 07 12:37:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97012 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 19:37:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 19:37:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 19:37:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 57019 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 19:37:23 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:37:23 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:37:23 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080807.101013.8420.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <532204.56389.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=S1HKS6VOR405cJZGkzus5pXuAoQhpRy7p8gVdF2E0gYlztwlaUE1 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don, =A0 Thats precisely why it was written, to protect it , so that both sides coul= d be presented.=A0 We'll just have to agree to disagree here but as I state= d it is well past time to move on.=A0 I believe this has went way off topic= and we need to bring it back to AM Stereo.=A0=20 =A0 =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Thu, 8/7/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:10 PM What started all of the hashing was someone decided it was a good idea to r= egulate free speech. Free speech is not allowing the federal government man= age political speech on the public airwaves. Rather than having the government regulate what people can say, we should l= et the market decide what people want to hear. That=A2s precisely why the F= airness Doctrine was abandoned, and that=A2s why it ought not to be revived= . Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: Alright we've hashed this crap forever and honestly i'm ready for more radi= o talk, this is radio isn't it? We also are straying from the topic of this= forum way too much so I want to bring it back in line. I'd like someone to= adress a recent product. I'd like to hear from one of our resident experts= on this matter. We've all discussed the Sangean HD radio component tuner i= n the past and other models. We all know that the Sangean and that small ra= dio shack radio also decode CQUAM. Sony has recently come out with a compon= ent HD radio tuner. It is the XDR-F1HD and it is an attractive and affordab= le component tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well? Th= at is what i'd like to know. Here is a link to the sony page with this prod= uct: http://www.sonystyl e.com/webapp/ wcs/stores/ servlet/ProductD isplay?catal= ogId =3D10551&storeId=3D 10151&langId=3D -1&productId=3D 8198552921665401 9= 84 Does anyone have any information on this product as far as CQUAM is concern= ed? I know most of the HD units that do in fact decode CQUAM do not adverti= se that fact. Maybe Kevin would know about this? Well what do you folks thi= nk about this unit? I rather like its looks. -Kevin (ClemsonBloke) =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 07 12:53:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93121 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 19:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 19:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.59) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 19:53:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16275 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 19:53:33 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:53:33 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:53:33 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <510662.30337.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <828779.16251.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=beoLVO_enWMjmxVTvxQY5Rp61JMrvyi7DJj-NCCiFycNet77OgmV X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well said !=A0 I love the "ill say it over CQUAM........."=A0 ha!=A0 Agreed= but you know they all just loved this character on the stage called Bush.= =A0 Well has anyone done any ressearch?=A0 I thin not because if they did t= hey'd see he and his family are goody goody with the Saudi Royal Family.=A0= To me, in light of current affairs, this should be looked at as treason to= this country!! Yes it's these big rich folk who are planning the take over= of this country and they've hoodwinked SOME of these poor people out here = into supporting their cause by using religion and other causes.=A0 Do I bel= ieve Bush when he says he's this big christian guy?=A0 His actions are not = that representative of such if you ask me.=A0 See he sold all these idiots = a lie and they bought it.=A0 Oh the faith based this and faith based that.= =A0 Yeah right it was nothing more than a lie sold to that segment of peopl= e to get a vote.=A0 The sad thing is they never even picked up on it.=A0 I = heard so many people saying "oh bush is a good christian man"=A0 !=A0 Poppycock!=A0= If he was then why didn't he do anything to help the people of Katrina?=A0= He was caught with his pants down on that one while he stood there and stu= ddered.=A0 No none of these followers on this list will convince me otherwi= se.=A0 If they can't see the crimes committed by these people then they are= blind.=A0 Yeah and what about nation building schemes?=A0 Wait I doubt any= one understands what that even is.=A0 Well let me tell you.=A0 What they do= is go in and claim someone did this or that to us and destroy their countr= y.=A0 They then send these companies over there to rebuild what was torn up= .=A0 Thats huge business and these companies make billions.=A0 Plain and si= mple.=A0 Go in and tear someones back yard up just to make billions off reb= uilding them.=A0 Iraq had nothing to do with september 11....afghanistan wa= s where the problem was.=A0 If people don't know that then they are complet= e uninformed idiots.=A0 That was the biggest diversion in history.=A0 Crimin= als I say criminals.=A0 I love my country but not what these idiots have tu= rned it into.=A0 Hell I made Eagle Scout (only 2% of all scouts ever make t= hat!) so I think I know my country and what it should be and I love my coun= try.=A0 It's just sad to see what a few idiots have done to it and our free= doms.=A0 We used to laugh at Russia and their cameras on the streets and ho= w they watched and controlled their people.=A0 Now we are turning into the = same thing.=A0 Bottom line is people=A0need to wake up before we lose it al= l.=A0 =A0 =A0 --- On Thu, 8/7/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:33 PM I've got a good idea (which means we will probably never see it happen): Why not get rid of the income tax altogether, and tax only goods and servic= es? That way, the rich who just HAVE to have the 12 Mercedes and the gazill= ion room house WILL pay their fair share, while the poorest among us will p= ay only what they can. Leave taxes off of basic needs, such as food and hou= sing. If we do it right, it WILL work! I know at least one state (can't remember which one, north-east area?) has done this with success. I'm sick to death of the excuses for the rich, "but they provide jobs!", RE= ALLY??? Where?!? in Mexico? In China? WHERE? Sure as hell not here in Michigan! Oh,= OK, maybe in the "Service Industry" (what a euphemism!) slaving over a hot= hamburger grill, or sweating their brains out in a factory, for a wage tha= t can barely support one person, let alone a family.=20 That is just OBSCENE! And yet the "religious right" (which is frankly neith= er!) finds it OK...so exploitation and abuse are Christian values? Not in MY Bible!=20 "But we shouldn't tax the rich to feed the poor". Let's hear BOTH sides of = the story! Who's labor, sweat, and blood did they use to GET rich? Whether by hitting it good in the market, inheriting it, or outright exploi= ting it, SOMEBODY got their hands dirty doing the grunt work, or even riski= ng their health or very life...and it damn sure wasn't the rich, as such endeavors are light-years beneath them. I repeat, when somebody well-off, smugly admiring and brown-nosing the righ= t-wing liars, cheaters, thieves loses THEIR job, or THEIR home, THEN I thin= k they will finally see what those on the left figured out a long time ago! "To take more than one needs, if it means somebody else losing out, is wron= g", to paraphrase.. .Carl Marx? NO! Vladimir Lenin? NO! How about St. Frances of Asisi! (so now you can call me a sissi AND a commi= e pinko!) What we need is what happened in Poland, years back...EVERY working man and= woman (and sadly, child) just NOT SHOW UP FOR WORK! When nobody gets their= trash hauled away, their breakfast served, or there power kept on, then maybe we will appreciate those who the damn snobs keep looking down th= eir despicable plastic noses at! Of course, in this country, Bush, Chaney and Assoc. would just call out the= military, and make us work at gunpoint. And if you think THAT can't happen= in a "free country" (free as long as you can afford it), you better look i= nto the history of coal mining! If what happened in Matawan,=20 West-thank God-Virginia doesn't break your heart, you don't HAVE ONE! Whoever said I had a compassionate heart was right..I have a HUGE PASSION a= nd UNBREAKABLE LOVE for the working American, and God help the plutocrat th= at thinks they can change THAT with ill-informed or outright dishonest right-wing rhetoric! I'm poor, but I'm NOT BLIND or STUPID! And this IS related to AM Stereo...I'll say it over a C-QUAM transmitter wi= th a 15 second delay between channels, so that in case anything is missed, = it can be heard AGAIN!=20 I could go on, but at a b.p. of 180/100 and rising, I better stop... I can't afford a doctor if I "blow a gasket"... G --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:40 AM > Don, > =A0 > Thats not even practical thought.=A0 If the taxpayers (which > are every single american) dont pay off the debt who will?=A0 > You misunderstand what this country is about then if you > think we shouldn't pay our fair share.=A0 Yes I think > taxes are high and higher than should be but its the middle > class that pays the brunt of taxes, not the rich.=A0 We all > though own this country and we all have to do our part.=A0 > Therefore we all must pay the debt off and I am for paying > the debt off.=A0 Why sir should we be indebted to China and > keep borrowing money we don't have?=A0 As I said I dont > claim one side.=A0 I can see BS on both sides.=A0 The debt > though needs to be paid down.=A0 We need to get away from any > dependence on other countries.=A0 We also need to bring back > our own manufacturing.=A0 American Made used to be a thing of > pride.=A0 What is made in America anymore?=A0 We don't > like taxes but we are all stewards of this country and we > must pay our part no matter how > unfair it may be.=A0 It's our civic duty.=A0 It all > depends on perspective.=A0 Now income taxes are one thing and > I think all that needs overhauling.=A0 The whole tax code > should be scrapped and designed as a fair system across the > board.=A0 Yes that should be done.=A0 At the end of the day > though it still comes down to the fact we are all stewards > of this place and we have to pay our part.=A0 Whether or not > you think its wrong or right. > =A0 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: >=20 > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:36 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > One doesn't have to look far to find vocal liberals in > the news media. Unbiased media seems to be difficult to > find: >=20 > Let's see ... >=20 > ABC's Claire Shipman says the taxpayers, not the > politicians, should sacrifice to close the budget deficit: > "If every American were to pitch in $2,000, we could > pay off this year's deficit. ... Or, if we handed over, > each of us, 500 gallons of gasoline or, in terms we could > all really understand, if every American gave up 666 lattes > for a year, we could pay off this year's deficit." >=20 > Dan Rather predicts Big Oil will try to manipulate the > election for John McCain: "The people who can affect > the price of oil would prefer a Republican presidential > candidate. Watch the price of oil. If it goes down, which it > may very well, it could help John McCain quite a bit." >=20 > The Associated Press swoons: "It's not only > Obama's youth, eloquence and energy that have stolen > hearts across the Atlantic. Obama has raised expectations of > a chance for the nation to redeem itself in the role that > Europe has loved, respected and relied upon." >=20 > CBS's Mark Phillips melts in Berlin: "The > 200,000-plus crowd confirmed his rock star status, and his > more cooperative sounding rhetoric was what the crowd wanted > to hear." >=20 > Alessandra Stanley of the New York Times rejects charges of > pro-Obama bias with this doozy: "Mr. Obama's > weeklong tour of war zones and foreign capitals is > noteworthy because it is so unusual to see a presidential > candidate act so presidential overseas." >=20 > On "Meet the Press," NBC's Tom Brokaw prods > Al Gore: "How can you, given the passion that you feel > about this issue, turn down the idea that you could be in > the administration as a vice president or as an energy czar > or as both?" >=20 > With a straight face, retiring New York Times reporter > Linda Greenhouse claims, "President Clinton played to > the center, not the left, in selecting Ruth Bader Ginsburg > and Stephen G. Breyer." >=20 > NBC labels the late Jesse Helms an "outspoken > ultra-rightist, " but waxed about Howard Metzenbaum as > a "populist" who "always fought for the > little guy." >=20 > NBC's Matt Lauer presses Barack Obama -- as not liberal > enough, quoting hotheads at the New York Times: "Sen. > Obama is not just tacking gently toward the center. He's > lurching right when it suits him, he's zigging with the > kind of reckless abandon that's guaranteed to cause > disillusion, if not whiplash." >=20 > New polls from battleground states delight MSNBC's > Chris Matthews: "I'm thrilled with this. > Obama's strength in the Northeast, the West Coast and > the Great Lakes." >=20 > CBS's Katie Couric sees bias now: "However you > feel about her politics, I feel that Sen. Clinton received > some of the most unfair, hostile coverage I've ever > seen." >=20 > And Time's former Washington Bureau Chief Margaret > Carlson pens, "If there's anything we need to > rescue us from the last eight years, it's brains, good > judgment and experience. Obama has the first two. Gore has > all three." >=20 > NBC's Lee Cowan waxes, "In victory and in defeat > Michelle Obama had always been there, dressed as brightly as > her husband's smile." ... In reference to John > McCain's wife Cindy, New York Times reporter Alessandra > Stanley writes: "As the Equal Rights Amendment faded as > a cause and conservatism made a comeback, Republican spouses > became ever more careful to stay three steps behind their > men and the times." >=20 > Former ABC reporter Linda Douglass, now an Obama > spokesperson, reveals the obvious: "I have fundamental > differences with John McCain on the issues and always have. > I don't have any problem criticizing John McCain." >=20 > AP reporter Charles Babington cheers: "Obama is > something special, a man who makes difficult tasks look > easy, who seems to touch millions of diverse people with a > message of hope that somehow doesn't sound Pollyannaish. > "
 Conservative columnist Bob Novak tells it > like it is: "I've been covering presidential > campaigns since 1960. I have always said I have never seen > the media as much entranced by a candidate than when they > were in my very first campaign, in 1960, when they were for > JFK. But I'm telling you right now, the enchantment with > Obama beats the JFK syndrome." >=20 > Other than these, Bob, there are no liberals in the news > media - just honest unbiased reporting. >=20 > Don >=20 > --- >=20 > -- clemsonbloke wrote: > Then you are wrong. If you are right then why aren't > you teaching the class? As a matter of fact why aren't > anyone else on here teaching it since you are right? So you > are saying the professors and folks who write the books are > complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What > passes for education? What passes for ignorance on here > amazes me. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net > wrote: >=20 > From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net .net> > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM >=20 > At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just > that. Much of what passes for higher education nowadays is > balderdash, especially in the liberal arts. And I say that > as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, though I > had 95% of everything done by 83. >=20 > Scott > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: clemsonbloke=20 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 >=20 > Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what > I said it was about unless you are saying that my professors > are wrong and that the textbooks are wrong! >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > http://www.usfamily .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 07 12:57:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17250 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 19:57:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 19:57:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 19:57:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42207 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 19:57:55 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:57:55 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:57:55 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <874028.590.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <779669.42192.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=2z3fH7kroMZwKDr1RhJpke8lYoYy6BOpsugCS7nG0k_f9RlFC-Ug X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I love the "anti-fidelity"=A0 part!=A0 Very true today with this MP3 stuff = and all.=A0 It's got a lil better on that front but MP3 is still MP3.=A0 Ma= ybe we should relate it to tape speeds.=A0 3 3/4 ips. versus the fidelity o= f 7 1/2 ips.=A0 Ha!=A0 Love those reel to reels!=A0 ATR Magnetics is suppos= ed to start manufacturing 1/4" open reel tape this year where Ampex/Quanteg= y left off.=A0 Hmm what happend to WORD 1330, its off and buzzing?=A0 Gotta= go turn it off.=A0=A0 Yeah I still listen to it eventhough they are republ= ican only !=A0 Hey I need to hear what they are saying!=A0 Yall be good. =A0 --- On Thu, 8/7/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:57 PM I kinda see your point, Don, but how much of it is really free, anyway? Last time I checked, air-time is NOT cheap! That aside, it is only natural = human nature for a station to allow more time from those they agree with. M= aybe the answer is to go back to the ownership limitations? Bye-Bye, Cheap Channel!!! (and along with it, the anti-C-QUAM and anti-high= -fidelity attitudes they so cherish!) George --- On Thu, 8/7/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:10 PM > What started all of the hashing was someone decided it was a > good idea to regulate free speech. Free speech is not > allowing the federal government manage political speech on > the public airwaves. > Rather than having the government regulate what people can > say, we should let the market decide what people want to > hear. That=A2s precisely why the Fairness Doctrine was > abandoned, and that=A2s why it ought not to be revived. >=20 > Don >=20 > -- clemsonbloke wrote: > Alright we've hashed this crap forever and honestly > i'm ready for more radio talk, this is radio isn't > it? We also are straying from the topic of this forum way > too much so I want to bring it back in line. I'd like > someone to adress a recent product. I'd like to hear > from one of our resident experts on this matter. We've > all discussed the Sangean HD radio component tuner in the > past and other models. We all know that the Sangean and > that small radio shack radio also decode CQUAM. Sony has > recently come out with a component HD radio tuner. It is > the XDR-F1HD and it is an attractive and affordable > component tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes > CQUAM as well? That is what i'd like to know. Here is > a link to the sony page with this product: >=20 > http://www.sonystyl e.com/webapp/ wcs/stores/ servlet/ProductD isplay?cat= alogId =3D10551&storeId=3D 10151&langId=3D -1&productId=3D 8198552921665401= 984 >=20 > Does anyone have any information on this product as far as > CQUAM is concerned? I know most of the HD units that do in > fact decode CQUAM do not advertise that fact. Maybe Kevin > would know about this? Well what do you folks think about > this unit? I rather like its looks. >=20 > -Kevin (ClemsonBloke) =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 07 13:00:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74437 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 20:00:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 20:00:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 20:00:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19632 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 20:00:21 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:00:20 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:00:20 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <387421.55660.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <965329.19250.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=l8ENZHXSF_-l_PSV6Gz1LwpV5ydiOyagRYVuLgSWdzRXP7iQi6Bz X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know but i've read a lot of glowing reports over the Sony.=A0 I've = heard it's a better tuner than many others out there.=A0 The one thing I ca= n't seem to find out though is whether it decodes CQUAM. =A0 =A0 -Kevin --- On Thu, 8/7/08, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:38 PM Somebody wrote: "...Sony...XDR- F1HD is an attractive and affordable compon= ent tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well?..." Good question; I'm selling my Visteon HD Jump radio right now as it does no= t decode CQuam (somebody said that their Visteon car radio did though). Despite claims that the Directed Electronics units decode CQuam - that's a = happy thought, as I cannot decode CFCO in stereo, nor playing around adjust= ing my Aspysis CQuam transmitter, can I get AM stereo decoding. Has anybody else tried the Visteon, and can they get it to decode CQuam? The Sangean HD, revised tuner, seems to be the ticket, but it's still over = $200; the Sony would be great if it could, but I'm willing to bet it has a = POS AM tuner with crappy bandwidth but a smokin' hot FM tuner, like most of= the HD's.=20 I've been extremely happy with the FM tuners in the HD radios I've used. Fi= rst adjacent FM channels come back to life that I haven't heard since the 7= 0's!! and the RDS is pretty sweet. They still need a "force to analog" swit= ch though.=20 Could somebody start a new AM-HD-Stereo Station Listing, as it seems that t= here's even less HD-AM-Stereo than there are CQuam AM Stereo! =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Thu Aug 07 14:02:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59586 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 21:02:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 21:02:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s40.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.112) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 21:02:39 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.21]) by bay0-omc1-s40.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:02:36 -0700 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:02:36 -0700 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.4 by BAY131-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:02:30 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:02:30 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2008 21:02:36.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB10C550:01C8F8D0] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=KVUqc4Io0ij4-Yk5Ag4_-tG7rAMV9a5DwcsKl6v9gx48clC3No6A4RF8YQ X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 it does not decode c-quam=20 http://www.ham-radio.com/k6sti/xdr-f1hd.htm -----Original Message----- From: clemsonbloke Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 4:00 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? I don't know but i've read a lot of glowing reports over the Sony.=EF=BF=BD= I've heard it's a better tuner than many others out there.=EF=BF=BD The on= e thing I can't seem to find out though is whether it decodes CQUAM. =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD -Kevin --- On Thu, 8/7/08, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:38 PM Somebody wrote: "...Sony...XDR- F1HD is an attractive and affordable compon= ent tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well?..." Good question; I'm selling my Visteon HD Jump radio right now as it does no= t decode CQuam (somebody said that their Visteon car radio did though). Despite claims that the Directed Electronics units decode CQuam - that's a = happy thought, as I cannot decode CFCO in stereo, nor playing around adjust= ing my Aspysis CQuam transmitter, can I get AM stereo decoding. Has anybody else tried the Visteon, and can they get it to decode CQuam? The Sangean HD, revised tuner, seems to be the ticket, but it's still over = $200; the Sony would be great if it could, but I'm willing to bet it has a = POS AM tuner with crappy bandwidth but a smokin' hot FM tuner, like most of= the HD's.=20 I've been extremely happy with the FM tuners in the HD radios I've used. Fi= rst adjacent FM channels come back to life that I haven't heard since the 7= 0's!! and the RDS is pretty sweet. They still need a "force to analog" swit= ch though.=20 Could somebody start a new AM-HD-Stereo Station Listing, as it seems that t= here's even less HD-AM-Stereo than there are CQuam AM Stereo! =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 07 14:12:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98937 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 21:12:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 21:12:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 21:12:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 94278 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 21:12:42 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:12:41 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:12:41 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <222972.94135.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Vf4Zao0UwxSU3fuGYKTqax0L9d049-rfO_23uCFeiZooduYzsjvW X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well isn't that a shame for an otherwise decent tuner?=A0 While we are on t= he subject lets pose a question that I rarely ever hear answers to.=A0 Ok s= o if its inevitable, HD that is, then what about Stereo on AM HD?=A0 Now I = understand that AM Stereo on HD is possible but I've heard very little abou= t it being implemented.=A0 Do the experts on our forum think that if HD tak= es off for AM at some point.....will it be stereo?=A0 I know that AM has ha= d a good bit of trouble with HD.=A0 I'm sure as the technology progesses th= ings perhaps will be worked out but what about the stereo aspect?=A0 It's j= ust hard for me to fathom in almost 2009 that everything AM and FM isn't st= ereo. =A0 =A0 -Kevin --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Norbert 26 wrote: From: Norbert 26 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 5:02 PM it does not decode c-quam=20 http://www.ham- radio.com/ k6sti/xdr- f1hd.htm -----Original Message----- From: clemsonbloke Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 4:00 PM To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? I don't know but i've read a lot of glowing reports over the Sony.=EF=BF=BD= I've heard it's a better tuner than many others out there.=EF=BF=BD The on= e thing I can't seem to find out though is whether it decodes CQUAM. =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD -Kevin --- On Thu, 8/7/08, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:38 PM Somebody wrote: "...Sony...XDR- F1HD is an attractive and affordable compon= ent tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well?..." Good question; I'm selling my Visteon HD Jump radio right now as it does no= t decode CQuam (somebody said that their Visteon car radio did though). Despite claims that the Directed Electronics units decode CQuam - that's a = happy thought, as I cannot decode CFCO in stereo, nor playing around adjust= ing my Aspysis CQuam transmitter, can I get AM stereo decoding. Has anybody else tried the Visteon, and can they get it to decode CQuam? The Sangean HD, revised tuner, seems to be the ticket, but it's still over = $200; the Sony would be great if it could, but I'm willing to bet it has a = POS AM tuner with crappy bandwidth but a smokin' hot FM tuner, like most of= the HD's.=20 I've been extremely happy with the FM tuners in the HD radios I've used. Fi= rst adjacent FM channels come back to life that I haven't heard since the 7= 0's!! and the RDS is pretty sweet. They still need a "force to analog" swit= ch though.=20 Could somebody start a new AM-HD-Stereo Station Listing, as it seems that t= here's even less HD-AM-Stereo than there are CQuam AM Stereo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 15:02:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92850 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 22:02:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2008 22:02:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 22:02:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 48893 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2008 22:02:09 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:02:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:02:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <222972.94135.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <171728.48460.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=emSW05EAOmZQ9qKGFcHYIvxgAY65UH06o6gwnOaGXUI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > Well isn't that a shame for an otherwise decent tuner?=A0 > While we are on the subject lets pose a question that I > rarely ever hear answers to.=A0 Ok so if its inevitable, HD > that is, then what about Stereo on AM HD?=A0 Now I understand > that AM Stereo on HD is possible but I've heard very > little about it being implemented.=A0 WOR does their HD in stereo.=20 > Do the experts on our > forum think that if HD takes off for AM at some > point.....will it be stereo?=A0 I know that AM has had a good > bit of trouble with HD.=A0 I'm sure as the technology > progesses things perhaps will be worked out but what about > the stereo aspect?=A0 It's just hard for me to fathom in > almost 2009 that everything AM and FM isn't stereo. It can be but the signal has to be strong and interference free.=20=20 Stereo on FM analog can be a detriment in the mountains, or in areas of sev= ere multipath. Not a problem on VHF HD.=20 Powell From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Aug 07 17:47:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1313 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 00:47:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 00:47:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 00:47:30 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.117] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080807194712101812900010> for ; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:47:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00d601c8f8f0$df2766c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <795973.4031.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:47:12 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=YJedcVheD0FPLeihveSbm_7v3bIc68nXqxc5ATugvu42Phy4eWeY X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If teaching were my gift I'd have turned you guys around a long time ago. Textbook writers and the academics who use them have an agenda. They hate so-called "right wing hate radio" as much as you do, hence they want to silence it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio Then you are wrong. If you are right then why aren't you teaching the class? As a matter of fact why aren't anyone else on here teaching it since you are right? So you are saying the professors and folks who write the books are complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What passes for education? What passes for ignorance on here amazes me. --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just that. Much of what passes for higher education nowadays is balderdash, especially in the liberal arts. And I say that as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, though I had 95% of everything done by 83. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what I said it was about unless you are saying that my professors are wrong and that the textbooks are wrong! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1596 - Release Date: 8/6/08 4:55 PM --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Aug 07 17:51:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60840 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 00:51:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 00:51:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 00:51:12 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.117] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080807195039102216700010> for ; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:50:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00e501c8f8f1$5a9b67c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <128197.99792.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:50:39 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=5mkNw53XPhYkQEEed4Ys3A6tyau9jYXhQSMUhurNE-YhwC7vugOc X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ultimately that's true, but why is it up to us to finance ever growing government programs and so-called investments? Why can't the politicians spend less? And I mean ALL political parties when I say that. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com If the taxpayers (which are every single american) dont pay off the debt who will? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Aug 07 18:00:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26183 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 01:00:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 01:00:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 01:00:11 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.117] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080807195939103163700010> for ; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:59:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <011b01c8f8f2$9c4b1700$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <828779.16251.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:59:39 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ZpHWH5JYebdNZHcoTlDXc97RaTeZJiV7Vto4mTQvszD9ZlgWm7NC X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Iraq hasn't had much of a working infrastructure since Clinton bombed them back in the 90s. They do now under Bush. Afghanistan is starting to develop infrastructure for the first time in its history. As for your idiotic comment about Iraq not having anything to do with 9/11, the only ones who keep repeating this are the political left. I have yet to meet ANYONE who says Iraq had anything to do with it. You're incessant repeating of this bilge won't make it anymore true. Plans to go after Saddam date back to at least 1998. 9/11 was merely a catalyst that said maybe we should finally do something about him. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Yeah and what about nation building schemes? Wait I doubt anyone understands what that even is. Well let me tell you. What they do is go in and claim someone did this or that to us and destroy their country. They then send these companies over there to rebuild what was torn up. Thats huge business and these companies make billions. Plain and simple. Go in and tear someones back yard up just to make billions off rebuilding them. Iraq had nothing to do with september 11....afghanistan was where the problem was. If people don't know that then they are complete uninformed idiots. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Aug 07 18:02:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60686 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 01:02:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 01:02:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 01:02:15 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.117] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080807200154101123400014> for ; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:01:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <014501c8f8f2$ec4e7d00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <00a801c8f6e0$2c117d30$0301010a@seagull> <043201c8f82c$65153fc0$d503fea9@stodd> <5AB6332A-DD87-4CAC-A277-618761AA3AD2@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:01:54 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Mi6WGqph_gajIZYonBkNIbODSfp_iGebNFpMqvzOlDghN7XyF1jO X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I say this more as an observation rather than an insult- Maybe you're a magnet for malcontents. We've got more people applying for immigration than we can handle, not to mention all the ones who get in anyway from south of the border. We can't be THAT hated. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:44 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > Maybe it would be better explained the world doesn't hate us, the > world's leftists hate us. Scott, you have said some pretty close to ignorant things but this one is probably the top. I do not know how well traveled you are. I have been all over the earth and I can say that most of the nations of the world really don't like us. Even Canada doesn't like us all that much. Kevin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. 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Your Governess as good news for you: Governess Says Invest Michigan! will Grow State Pension Fund, Invest in Mic= higan Businesses, Create Jobs Contact: Liz Boyd 517-335-6397 Radio Address outlines plan to build Michigan's economic future =20 LANSING - In her weekly radio address, Governor Jennifer M. Granholm today = said her plan to invest $300 million in Michigan-based companies will grow = the state pension fund and create jobs. =20 "This week, we moved forward on another of our plans to grow business and c= reate jobs by announcing Invest Michigan! - a fund that will use $300 milli= on, a large amount of capital but a small portion of our state pension fund= , to invest in businesses that create the jobs we need in Michigan," Granho= lm said. =20 The 21st Century Jobs Fund and the Venture Michigan Fund are investing hund= reds of millions of dollars focused on Michigan companies at the critical e= arly-growth state. Until this point, however, there has not been enough fu= nding available for later-stage capital needs. =20 "Invest Michigan! will use state pension funds to help diversify Michigan's= economy by retaining, attracting, and building successful small and mid-si= zed businesses and creating jobs for Michigan workers," Granholm said. "Th= ese investments in Michigan-based companies, in turn, will grow our pension= funds. Invest Michigan! is a program that will put Michigan money to work= building Michigan's economic future." =20 The governor's weekly radio address is released each Friday morning and may= be heard on broadcast stations across the state. The address is available= on the governor's Web site at (www.michigan.gov/gov) for download, togethe= r with a clip of the quote above. The radio address is also available as a= podcast on the Web site, as well as on iTunes and via RSS feed for general= distribution to personal MP3 players and home computers.=20 -- george russell wrote: I've got a good idea (which means we will probably never see it happen): Why not get rid of the income tax altogether, and tax only goods and servic= es? That way, the rich who just HAVE to have the 12 Mercedes and the gazil= lion room house WILL pay their fair share, while the poorest among us will = pay only what they can. Leave taxes off of basic needs, such as food and h= ousing. If we do it right, it WILL work! I know at least one state (can't remember which one, north-east area?) has done this with success. I'm sick to death of the excuses for the rich, "but they provide jobs!", RE= ALLY??? Where?!? in Mexico? In China? WHERE? Sure as hell not here in Michigan! = Oh, OK, maybe in the "Service Industry" (what a euphemism!) slaving over a = hot hamburger grill, or sweating their brains out in a factory, for a wage = that can barely support one person, let alone a family.=20 That is just OBSCENE! And yet the "religious right" (which is frankly neith= er!) finds it OK...so exploitation and abuse are Christian values? Not in MY Bible!=20 "But we shouldn't tax the rich to feed the poor". Let's hear BOTH sides of= the story! Who's labor, sweat, and blood did they use to GET rich? Whether by hitting it good in the market, inheriting it, or outright exploi= ting it, SOMEBODY got their hands dirty doing the grunt work, or even riski= ng their health or very life...and it damn sure wasn't the rich, as such endeavors are light-years beneath them. I repeat, when somebody well-off, smugly admiring and brown-nosing the righ= t-wing liars, cheaters, thieves loses THEIR job, or THEIR home, THEN I thin= k they will finally see what those on the left figured out a long time ago! "To take more than one needs, if it means somebody else losing out, is wron= g", to paraphrase...Carl Marx? NO! Vladimir Lenin? NO! How about St. Frances of Asisi! (so now you can call me a sissi AND a commi= e pinko!) What we need is what happened in Poland, years back...EVERY working man and= woman (and sadly, child) just NOT SHOW UP FOR WORK! When nobody gets thei= r trash hauled away, their breakfast served, or there power kept on, then maybe we will appreciate those who the damn snobs keep looking down th= eir despicable plastic noses at! Of course, in this country, Bush, Chaney and Assoc. would just call out the= military, and make us work at gunpoint. And if you think THAT can't happen= in a "free country" (free as long as you can afford it), you better look i= nto the history of coal mining! If what happened in Matawan,=20 West-thank God-Virginia doesn't break your heart, you don't HAVE ONE! Whoever said I had a compassionate heart was right..I have a HUGE PASSION a= nd UNBREAKABLE LOVE for the working American, and God help the plutocrat th= at thinks they can change THAT with ill-informed or outright dishonest right-wing rhetoric! I'm poor, but I'm NOT BLIND or STUPID! And this IS related to AM Stereo...I'll say it over a C-QUAM transmitter wi= th a 15 second delay between channels, so that in case anything is missed, = it can be heard AGAIN!=20=20 I could go on, but at a b.p. of 180/100 and rising, I better stop... I can't afford a doctor if I "blow a gasket"... G --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:40 AM > Don, >=20=20 > Thats not even practical thought. If the taxpayers (which > are every single american) dont pay off the debt who will?=20 > You misunderstand what this country is about then if you > think we shouldn't pay our fair share. Yes I think > taxes are high and higher than should be but its the middle > class that pays the brunt of taxes, not the rich. We all > though own this country and we all have to do our part.=20 > Therefore we all must pay the debt off and I am for paying > the debt off. Why sir should we be indebted to China and > keep borrowing money we don't have? As I said I dont > claim one side. I can see BS on both sides. The debt > though needs to be paid down. We need to get away from any > dependence on other countries. We also need to bring back > our own manufacturing. American Made used to be a thing of > pride. What is made in America anymore? We don't > like taxes but we are all stewards of this country and we > must pay our part no matter how > unfair it may be. It's our civic duty. It all > depends on perspective. Now income taxes are one thing and > I think all that needs overhauling. The whole tax code > should be scrapped and designed as a fair system across the > board. Yes that should be done. At the end of the day > though it still comes down to the fact we are all stewards > of this place and we have to pay our part. Whether or not > you think its wrong or right. >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: >=20 > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:36 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > One doesn't have to look far to find vocal liberals in > the news media. Unbiased media seems to be difficult to > find: >=20 > Let's see ... >=20 > ABC's Claire Shipman says the taxpayers, not the > politicians, should sacrifice to close the budget deficit: > "If every American were to pitch in $2,000, we could > pay off this year's deficit. ... Or, if we handed over, > each of us, 500 gallons of gasoline or, in terms we could > all really understand, if every American gave up 666 lattes > for a year, we could pay off this year's deficit." >=20 > Dan Rather predicts Big Oil will try to manipulate the > election for John McCain: "The people who can affect > the price of oil would prefer a Republican presidential > candidate. Watch the price of oil. If it goes down, which it > may very well, it could help John McCain quite a bit." >=20 > The Associated Press swoons: "It's not only > Obama's youth, eloquence and energy that have stolen > hearts across the Atlantic. Obama has raised expectations of > a chance for the nation to redeem itself in the role that > Europe has loved, respected and relied upon." >=20 > CBS's Mark Phillips melts in Berlin: "The > 200,000-plus crowd confirmed his rock star status, and his > more cooperative sounding rhetoric was what the crowd wanted > to hear." >=20 > Alessandra Stanley of the New York Times rejects charges of > pro-Obama bias with this doozy: "Mr. Obama's > weeklong tour of war zones and foreign capitals is > noteworthy because it is so unusual to see a presidential > candidate act so presidential overseas." >=20 > On "Meet the Press," NBC's Tom Brokaw prods > Al Gore: "How can you, given the passion that you feel > about this issue, turn down the idea that you could be in > the administration as a vice president or as an energy czar > or as both?" >=20 > With a straight face, retiring New York Times reporter > Linda Greenhouse claims, "President Clinton played to > the center, not the left, in selecting Ruth Bader Ginsburg > and Stephen G. Breyer." >=20 > NBC labels the late Jesse Helms an "outspoken > ultra-rightist, " but waxed about Howard Metzenbaum as > a "populist" who "always fought for the > little guy." >=20 > NBC's Matt Lauer presses Barack Obama -- as not liberal > enough, quoting hotheads at the New York Times: "Sen. > Obama is not just tacking gently toward the center. He's > lurching right when it suits him, he's zigging with the > kind of reckless abandon that's guaranteed to cause > disillusion, if not whiplash." >=20 > New polls from battleground states delight MSNBC's > Chris Matthews: "I'm thrilled with this. > Obama's strength in the Northeast, the West Coast and > the Great Lakes." >=20 > CBS's Katie Couric sees bias now: "However you > feel about her politics, I feel that Sen. Clinton received > some of the most unfair, hostile coverage I've ever > seen." >=20 > And Time's former Washington Bureau Chief Margaret > Carlson pens, "If there's anything we need to > rescue us from the last eight years, it's brains, good > judgment and experience. Obama has the first two. Gore has > all three." >=20 > NBC's Lee Cowan waxes, "In victory and in defeat > Michelle Obama had always been there, dressed as brightly as > her husband's smile." ... In reference to John > McCain's wife Cindy, New York Times reporter Alessandra > Stanley writes: "As the Equal Rights Amendment faded as > a cause and conservatism made a comeback, Republican spouses > became ever more careful to stay three steps behind their > men and the times." >=20 > Former ABC reporter Linda Douglass, now an Obama > spokesperson, reveals the obvious: "I have fundamental > differences with John McCain on the issues and always have. > I don't have any problem criticizing John McCain." >=20 > AP reporter Charles Babington cheers: "Obama is > something special, a man who makes difficult tasks look > easy, who seems to touch millions of diverse people with a > message of hope that somehow doesn't sound Pollyannaish. > "
 Conservative columnist Bob Novak tells it > like it is: "I've been covering presidential > campaigns since 1960. I have always said I have never seen > the media as much entranced by a candidate than when they > were in my very first campaign, in 1960, when they were for > JFK. But I'm telling you right now, the enchantment with > Obama beats the JFK syndrome." >=20 > Other than these, Bob, there are no liberals in the news > media - just honest unbiased reporting. >=20 > Don >=20 > --- >=20 > -- clemsonbloke wrote: > Then you are wrong. If you are right then why aren't > you teaching the class? As a matter of fact why aren't > anyone else on here teaching it since you are right? So you > are saying the professors and folks who write the books are > complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What > passes for education? What passes for ignorance on here > amazes me. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net > wrote: >=20 > From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net .net> > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM >=20 > At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just > that. Much of what passes for higher education nowadays is > balderdash, especially in the liberal arts. And I say that > as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, though I > had 95% of everything done by 83. >=20 > Scott > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: clemsonbloke=20 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 >=20 > Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what > I said it was about unless you are saying that my professors > are wrong and that the textbooks are wrong! >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > http://www.usfamily .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Aug 07 18:35:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94209 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 01:35:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 01:35:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 01:35:36 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.117] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080807203501100983500010> for ; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:35:01 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <014901c8f8f7$8d4b6c00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <510662.30337.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:35:01 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=LkhLlN2yVjElbLAqi7lhihoL1hSn9fy1cOWiuGxU-yepVXBTuEVm X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Answers interspersed- ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I've got a good idea (which means we will probably never see it happen): Why not get rid of the income tax altogether, and tax only goods and services? That way, the rich who just HAVE to have the 12 Mercedes and the gazillion room house WILL pay their fair share, while the poorest among us will pay only what they can. Leave taxes off of basic needs, such as food and housing. If we do it right, it WILL work! --We finally agree on something! Not only will it do that, but it'll tap the wealth of the underground economy like pimps and drug pushers. I know at least one state (can't remember which one, north-east area?) has done this with success. I'm sick to death of the excuses for the rich, "but they provide jobs!", REALLY??? Where?!? in Mexico? In China? WHERE? Sure as hell not here in Michigan! Oh, OK, maybe in the "Service Industry" (what a euphemism!) slaving over a hot hamburger grill, or sweating their brains out in a factory, for a wage that can barely support one person, let alone a family. --Well, MY job for one. Ed Atsinger and Stu Epperson are absolutely brilliant business people and I don't feel the least bit exploited. Our advertisers are also American workers. If things are as bad in Michigan as you say, and I fully believe it, consider which political party has had near hegemony for the past several decades. They've priced themselves out of the market. The cost of goverment adds to the cost of goods and services. So do excessive union demands. Believe it or not I say that with a twinge of sadness because I know very well the good they did for the worker in decades gone by. But they got too big for their breeches and the less expensive imports kicked their butts. That is just OBSCENE! And yet the "religious right" (which is frankly neither!) finds it OK...so exploitation and abuse are Christian values? --What cartoon book are you reading anyway? Not in MY Bible! When the Bible was being written it wasn't uncommon for the rich not to pay their workers and the prophets rightly condemned them. Nowadays the rich get hammered for problems caused by entirely other factors, but it's just easier to blame "the rich" rather than the government. "But we shouldn't tax the rich to feed the poor". Let's hear BOTH sides of the story! Who's labor, sweat, and blood did they use to GET rich? Largely their own, if they're people like the inventor of multiband processing- Mike Dorrough. The idle rich are people like Ted Kennedy, Al Gore and John Kerry. BTW, if you want to talk about the rich oppressing the poor, take a GOOD look at George Soros! This guy has actually bankrupted smaller countries to get his wealth, and yet he's a chief financier of the leftist causes near and dear to your heart. As for America's poor, how many are actually addicted to handouts, aka welfare? A good chunk of them, I'd say. A poverty of values can cause economic poverty as surely as a stockmarket crash. Whether by hitting it good in the market, inheriting it, or outright exploiting it, SOMEBODY got their hands dirty doing the grunt work, or even risking their health or very life...and it damn sure wasn't the rich, as such endeavors are light-years beneath them. --Rubbish! Not to say it never happens, but the people who've recently become rich often built their empires with their own time and sweat. I repeat, when somebody well-off, smugly admiring and brown-nosing the right-wing liars, cheaters, thieves loses THEIR job, or THEIR home, THEN I think they will finally see what those on the left figured out a long time ago! --Those classified as "the rich" is not a static list. Many rich people have lost it all, including Henry Ford. The guy went broke five times before Ford Motors took off. "To take more than one needs, if it means somebody else losing out, is wrong", to paraphrase...Carl Marx? NO! Vladimir Lenin? NO! How about St. Frances of Asisi! (so now you can call me a sissi AND a commie pinko!) --Well then, George, you don't really need that computer you're using. You don't really need an AM stereo radio either if you want to take that argument to its logical conclusion. What we need is what happened in Poland, years back...EVERY working man and woman (and sadly, child) just NOT SHOW UP FOR WORK! When nobody gets their trash hauled away, their breakfast served, or there power kept on, then maybe we will appreciate those who the damn snobs keep looking down their despicable plastic noses at! --In Poland it was the government they were revolting against; the very same type of government Obama will give us if he's elected. Of course the oppression that drove the Poles won't be immediately apparent and it will appear to work, at least for a little while. Of course, in this country, Bush, Chaney and Assoc. would just call out the military, and make us work at gunpoint. And if you think THAT can't happen in a "free country" (free as long as you can afford it), you better look into the history of coal mining! If what happened in Matawan, West-thank God-Virginia doesn't break your heart, you don't HAVE ONE! --Well, Obama has some unpaid government work planned for kids just out of high school. Seems you and Clemsonbloke ought to be protesting that. And his civilian security corps and youth work groups- sounds suspiciously like somethings out of 1930s Italy and Germany. Whoever said I had a compassionate heart was right..I have a HUGE PASSION and UNBREAKABLE LOVE for the working American, and God help the plutocrat that thinks they can change THAT with ill-informed or outright dishonest right-wing rhetoric! I'm poor, but I'm NOT BLIND or STUPID! And this IS related to AM Stereo...I'll say it over a C-QUAM transmitter with a 15 second delay between channels, so that in case anything is missed, it can be heard AGAIN! --I've got a rant that I'll put in it's own posting about this. I could go on, but at a b.p. of 180/100 and rising, I better stop... I can't afford a doctor if I "blow a gasket"... --keep going... --Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Aug 07 19:30:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52290 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 02:30:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 02:30:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 02:30:40 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.117] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v2.2.0) with SMTP id <20080807213012100920400010> for ; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:30:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <016b01c8f8ff$4284af80$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:30:12 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=9jbJtXAT7_dzuMzlLWJlCX1Q6OZzsr2S-r19r-qblUnKxTnC_WBD X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is directed at the political lefties here. I'm ticked and I'm ready to ditch this list. I've tried to be civil but I'm at a point where I'm going to unload and I don't care who gets hurt. You finger-pointing socialists and your hatred of the rich are going to be the death of not only our economy, but the very thing we're on this list to preserve- AM stereo. Has it never occurred to any of you that we've done absolutely NOTHING of any effect to save it? The only way it'll happen is if one or more of us get rich enough to buy our own stations! But no, you clowns that insist on being good little socialists because it's "fair", not realizing many problems often are actually the cost of excess government regulation pricing goods and services out of the market rather than "oppression" by "the rich." Not that there haven't been abuses, I'll fully acknowlege that- Enron, Worldcom, etc. Bad business practices will likely be with us to the end of time but the alternative is good business practices, not socialism. I'm not sure how or even if good business practices can be legislated. Not sure who said it but there's a saying that goes roughly "If we don't let ourselves be governed by a few big rules [a reference to the ten commandments, I believe] we'll be governed by a lot of little ones." Given our myriad of liliputian laws we're well into the latter part of the spectrum. I don't like hearing of an executive getting a huge severance just before bailing out of a failing company anymore than you do. But I have read a book on the difference between effective and failing companies and it's called The Oz Principle. One thing failing companies do is the same thing I've witnessed here and that's a lot of finger pointing. God help me to get rich so I can buy some AM stations and put AM stereo on them. Get your lazy buns out of my way and let me do what needs to get done. You're complaining is counterproductive. If that offends you, tough cookies! I'll gladly be part of the hated rich, though if you insist on voting for the socialist Obama I'm sure my currently slim chances will be reduced to none. BTW, I'll do everything I can to pay my employees fairly, but given that radio is one of the most heavily regulated industries and the mulitplicity of medial alternatives that didn't exist even a decade ago it's VERY hard to make a profit. It's NOT necessarily greed that has caused radio's woes. Executives aren't all overpaid versions of Arthur Carlson. [That's a WKRP TV series reference for those too young to know.] Scott Todd I'm surprised I made it through without singling anyone out specifically. God knows I wanted to. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 20:01:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2831 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 03:01:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 03:01:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 03:01:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50855 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 03:01:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:01:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:01:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <828779.16251.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <866596.49097.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=cMyMy139KN6NT5M4eg4rqm0zeqhBhn8I0Mky3QUtadTrgg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yeah, Eagle is the top of the crop! My dad was a scoutmaster, so you can g= uess I was in it, too. Your right, we have steered a bit away from AM Stereo, but honestly, I have= thoroughly enjoyed your take on things, Kevin. Feel free to "rant" all you like directly to my email address, above. I sense a kindred spirit...a free thinker...not enough of us out there! George --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 3:53 PM > Well said !=A0 I love the "ill say it over > CQUAM........."=A0 ha!=A0 Agreed but you know they all > just loved this character on the stage called Bush.=A0 Well > has anyone done any ressearch?=A0 I thin not because if they > did they'd see he and his family are goody goody with > the Saudi Royal Family.=A0 To me, in light of current > affairs, this should be looked at as treason to this > country!! Yes it's these big rich folk who are planning > the take over of this country and they've hoodwinked > SOME of these poor people out here into supporting their > cause by using religion and other causes.=A0 Do I believe > Bush when he says he's this big christian guy?=A0 His > actions are not that representative of such if you ask me.=A0 > See he sold all these idiots a lie and they bought it.=A0 Oh > the faith based this and faith based that.=A0 Yeah right it > was nothing more than a lie sold to that segment of people > to get a vote.=A0 The sad thing is they never even picked up > on it.=A0 I heard so > many people saying "oh bush is a good christian > man"=A0 !=A0 Poppycock!=A0 If he was then why didn't > he do anything to help the people of Katrina?=A0 He was > caught with his pants down on that one while he stood there > and studdered.=A0 No none of these followers on this list > will convince me otherwise.=A0 If they can't see the > crimes committed by these people then they are blind.=A0 Yeah > and what about nation building schemes?=A0 Wait I doubt > anyone understands what that even is.=A0 Well let me tell > you.=A0 What they do is go in and claim someone did this or > that to us and destroy their country.=A0 They then send these > companies over there to rebuild what was torn up.=A0 Thats > huge business and these companies make billions.=A0 Plain and > simple.=A0 Go in and tear someones back yard up just to make > billions off rebuilding them.=A0 Iraq had nothing to do with > september 11....afghanistan was where the problem was.=A0 If > people don't know that then they are complete > uninformed idiots.=A0 That was the biggest diversion in > history.=A0 Criminals I say criminals.=A0 I love my country > but not what these idiots have turned it into.=A0 Hell I made > Eagle Scout (only 2% of all scouts ever make that!) so I > think I know my country and what it should be and I love my > country.=A0 It's just sad to see what a few idiots have > done to it and our freedoms.=A0 We used to laugh at Russia > and their cameras on the streets and how they watched and > controlled their people.=A0 Now we are turning into the same > thing.=A0 Bottom line is people=A0need to wake up before we > lose it all.=A0 > =A0 > =A0 >=20 >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, george russell > wrote: >=20 > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:33 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I've got a good idea (which means we will probably > never see it happen): > Why not get rid of the income tax altogether, and tax only > goods and services? That way, the rich who just HAVE to have > the 12 Mercedes and the gazillion room house WILL pay their > fair share, while the poorest among us will pay only what > they can. Leave taxes off of basic needs, such as food and > housing. If we do it right, it WILL work! > I know at least one state (can't remember which one, > north-east area?) > has done this with success. > I'm sick to death of the excuses for the rich, > "but they provide jobs!", REALLY??? > Where?!? in Mexico? In China? WHERE? Sure as hell not here > in Michigan! Oh, OK, maybe in the "Service > Industry" (what a euphemism!) slaving over a hot > hamburger grill, or sweating their brains out in a factory, > for a wage that can barely support one person, let alone a > family.=20 > That is just OBSCENE! And yet the "religious > right" (which is frankly neither!) finds it OK...so > exploitation and abuse are Christian values? > Not in MY Bible!=20 > "But we shouldn't tax the rich to feed the > poor". Let's hear BOTH sides of the story! > Who's labor, sweat, and blood did they use to GET rich? > Whether by hitting it good in the market, inheriting it, or > outright exploiting it, SOMEBODY got their hands dirty doing > the grunt work, or even risking their health or very > life...and it damn sure wasn't the rich, > as such endeavors are light-years beneath them. > I repeat, when somebody well-off, smugly admiring and > brown-nosing the right-wing liars, cheaters, thieves loses > THEIR job, or THEIR home, THEN I think they will finally see > what those on the left figured out a long time ago! > "To take more than one needs, if it means somebody > else losing out, is wrong", to paraphrase.. .Carl Marx? > NO! Vladimir Lenin? NO! > How about St. Frances of Asisi! (so now you can call me a > sissi AND a commie pinko!) > What we need is what happened in Poland, years back...EVERY > working man and woman (and sadly, child) just NOT SHOW UP > FOR WORK! When nobody gets their trash hauled away, their > breakfast served, or there power kept on, > then maybe we will appreciate those who the damn snobs keep > looking down their despicable plastic noses at! > Of course, in this country, Bush, Chaney and Assoc. would > just call out the military, and make us work at gunpoint. > And if you think THAT can't happen in a "free > country" (free as long as you can afford it), you > better look into the history of coal mining! If what > happened in Matawan,=20 > West-thank God-Virginia doesn't break your heart, you > don't HAVE ONE! > Whoever said I had a compassionate heart was right..I have > a HUGE PASSION and UNBREAKABLE LOVE for the working > American, and God help the plutocrat that thinks they can > change THAT with ill-informed or outright dishonest > right-wing rhetoric! I'm poor, but I'm NOT BLIND or > STUPID! > And this IS related to AM Stereo...I'll say it over a > C-QUAM transmitter with a 15 second delay between channels, > so that in case anything is missed, it can be heard AGAIN!=20 > I could go on, but at a b.p. of 180/100 and rising, I > better stop... > I can't afford a doctor if I "blow a > gasket"... > G >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke yahoo.co. uk> wrote: >=20 > > From: clemsonbloke > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:40 AM > > Don, > > =A0 > > Thats not even practical thought.=A0 If the taxpayers > (which > > are every single american) dont pay off the debt who > will?=A0 > > You misunderstand what this country is about then if > you > > think we shouldn't pay our fair share.=A0 Yes I > think > > taxes are high and higher than should be but its the > middle > > class that pays the brunt of taxes, not the rich.=A0 We > all > > though own this country and we all have to do our > part.=A0 > > Therefore we all must pay the debt off and I am for > paying > > the debt off.=A0 Why sir should we be indebted to China > and > > keep borrowing money we don't have?=A0 As I said I > dont > > claim one side.=A0 I can see BS on both sides.=A0 The > debt > > though needs to be paid down.=A0 We need to get away > from any > > dependence on other countries.=A0 We also need to bring > back > > our own manufacturing.=A0 American Made used to be a > thing of > > pride.=A0 What is made in America anymore?=A0 We > don't > > like taxes but we are all stewards of this country and > we > > must pay our part no matter how > > unfair it may be.=A0 It's our civic duty.=A0 It all > > depends on perspective.=A0 Now income taxes are one > thing and > > I think all that needs overhauling.=A0 The whole tax > code > > should be scrapped and designed as a fair system > across the > > board.=A0 Yes that should be done.=A0 At the end of the > day > > though it still comes down to the fact we are all > stewards > > of this place and we have to pay our part.=A0 Whether > or not > > you think its wrong or right. > > =A0 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, W6YN Don Milbury > > > wrote: > >=20 > > From: W6YN Don Milbury > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:36 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > One doesn't have to look far to find vocal > liberals in > > the news media. Unbiased media seems to be difficult > to > > find: > >=20 > > Let's see ... > >=20 > > ABC's Claire Shipman says the taxpayers, not the > > politicians, should sacrifice to close the budget > deficit: > > "If every American were to pitch in $2,000, we > could > > pay off this year's deficit. ... Or, if we handed > over, > > each of us, 500 gallons of gasoline or, in terms we > could > > all really understand, if every American gave up 666 > lattes > > for a year, we could pay off this year's > deficit." > >=20 > > Dan Rather predicts Big Oil will try to manipulate the > > election for John McCain: "The people who can > affect > > the price of oil would prefer a Republican > presidential > > candidate. Watch the price of oil. If it goes down, > which it > > may very well, it could help John McCain quite a > bit." > >=20 > > The Associated Press swoons: "It's not only > > Obama's youth, eloquence and energy that have > stolen > > hearts across the Atlantic. Obama has raised > expectations of > > a chance for the nation to redeem itself in the role > that > > Europe has loved, respected and relied upon." > >=20 > > CBS's Mark Phillips melts in Berlin: "The > > 200,000-plus crowd confirmed his rock star status, and > his > > more cooperative sounding rhetoric was what the crowd > wanted > > to hear." > >=20 > > Alessandra Stanley of the New York Times rejects > charges of > > pro-Obama bias with this doozy: "Mr. Obama's > > weeklong tour of war zones and foreign capitals is > > noteworthy because it is so unusual to see a > presidential > > candidate act so presidential overseas." > >=20 > > On "Meet the Press," NBC's Tom Brokaw > prods > > Al Gore: "How can you, given the passion that you > feel > > about this issue, turn down the idea that you could be > in > > the administration as a vice president or as an energy > czar > > or as both?" > >=20 > > With a straight face, retiring New York Times reporter > > Linda Greenhouse claims, "President Clinton > played to > > the center, not the left, in selecting Ruth Bader > Ginsburg > > and Stephen G. Breyer." > >=20 > > NBC labels the late Jesse Helms an "outspoken > > ultra-rightist, " but waxed about Howard > Metzenbaum as > > a "populist" who "always fought for the > > little guy." > >=20 > > NBC's Matt Lauer presses Barack Obama -- as not > liberal > > enough, quoting hotheads at the New York Times: > "Sen. > > Obama is not just tacking gently toward the center. > He's > > lurching right when it suits him, he's zigging > with the > > kind of reckless abandon that's guaranteed to > cause > > disillusion, if not whiplash." > >=20 > > New polls from battleground states delight MSNBC's > > Chris Matthews: "I'm thrilled with this. > > Obama's strength in the Northeast, the West Coast > and > > the Great Lakes." > >=20 > > CBS's Katie Couric sees bias now: "However > you > > feel about her politics, I feel that Sen. Clinton > received > > some of the most unfair, hostile coverage I've > ever > > seen." > >=20 > > And Time's former Washington Bureau Chief Margaret > > Carlson pens, "If there's anything we need to > > rescue us from the last eight years, it's brains, > good > > judgment and experience. Obama has the first two. Gore > has > > all three." > >=20 > > NBC's Lee Cowan waxes, "In victory and in > defeat > > Michelle Obama had always been there, dressed as > brightly as > > her husband's smile." ... In reference to > John > > McCain's wife Cindy, New York Times reporter > Alessandra > > Stanley writes: "As the Equal Rights Amendment > faded as > > a cause and conservatism made a comeback, Republican > spouses > > became ever more careful to stay three steps behind > their > > men and the times." > >=20 > > Former ABC reporter Linda Douglass, now an Obama > > spokesperson, reveals the obvious: "I have > fundamental > > differences with John McCain on the issues and always > have. > > I don't have any problem criticizing John > McCain." > >=20 > > AP reporter Charles Babington cheers: "Obama is > > something special, a man who makes difficult tasks > look > > easy, who seems to touch millions of diverse people > with a > > message of hope that somehow doesn't sound > Pollyannaish. > > "
 Conservative columnist Bob Novak > tells it > > like it is: "I've been covering presidential > > campaigns since 1960. I have always said I have never > seen > > the media as much entranced by a candidate than when > they > > were in my very first campaign, in 1960, when they > were for > > JFK. But I'm telling you right now, the > enchantment with > > Obama beats the JFK syndrome." > >=20 > > Other than these, Bob, there are no liberals in the > news > > media - just honest unbiased reporting. > >=20 > > Don > >=20 > > --- > >=20 > > -- clemsonbloke > wrote: > > Then you are wrong. If you are right then why > aren't > > you teaching the class? As a matter of fact why > aren't > > anyone else on here teaching it since you are right? > So you > > are saying the professors and folks who write the > books are > > complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What > > passes for education? What passes for ignorance on > here > > amazes me. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net > > wrote: > >=20 > > From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net usfamily > > .net> > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM > >=20 > > At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just > > that. Much of what passes for higher education > nowadays is > > balderdash, especially in the liberal arts. And I say > that > > as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, > though I > > had 95% of everything done by 83. > >=20 > > Scott > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: clemsonbloke=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 > >=20 > > Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about > what > > I said it was about unless you are saying that my > professors > > are wrong and that the textbooks are wrong! > >=20 > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > > http://www.usfamily .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! > Groups > > Links > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Thu Aug 07 20:02:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53814 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 03:02:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 03:02:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fmailhost05.isp.att.net) (207.115.11.55) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 03:02:00 -0000 X-Received: from owner2d075f959 (adsl-144-216-216.mia.bellsouth.net[72.144.216.216]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20080808030159H0500econve>; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 03:01:59 +0000 To: References: <828779.16251.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <011b01c8f8f2$9c4b1700$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <011b01c8f8f2$9c4b1700$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 23:01:54 -0400 Organization: Q Media Hot 100, LAZR, 1003. KOOL Message-ID: <010c01c8f903$1d97b9c0$58c72d40$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acj48hzbfrpxRJXoRGKYS1CTjLo1cwAD+qLQ Content-language: en-us X-Originating-IP: 207.115.11.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "J Gualda Q Media" Subject: RE: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=bmeF0Vfkd7BTxxRp8UckbR6lrsfVfv23EE3iRyL23VV-lr4 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:00 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio "I have yet to meet ANYONE who says Iraq had anything to do with it". Scott Todd Oh boy ! I have stayed out of this mess, until this ignorant comment about 9/11 and Iraq. Let me start with the first one that comes to mind, and until recently still repeated this retarded mantra.Our beloved Dick Cheney. I can fill this page with quotes, but anyone with Internet and a half a brain can search for themselves. I guess it's a case of repeat something enough, and they will believe it. Do you listen to any media besides Fox or the Right wing blowhards ? My God...NOW I know why the Right leaning talk shows do so well..It all makes sense now. Juan Fox....we report, YOU decide [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 20:14:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66925 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 03:14:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 03:14:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 03:14:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 70361 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 03:14:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:14:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:14:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <779669.42192.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <317193.70333.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Zq00w1JPCWrXkz0AiyWSn4bYmTQ55Sv81SqixLA2lJN_7w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Good comparison! I think of 30 i.p.s. tape as an infinitely high bit rate,= 15 as good as fast 24-bit, 7.5 about =3D to ATRAC 4.5...and most MP3 as, o= h, about 1 7/8! Yeah, MP3 CAN sound good, but not when folks get stingy wi= th the bit-rate. My friend in Flint runs all the stuff in his car stereo a= t 128 k, and the treble just plain sounds squashed and ripped. Today, memory is so cheap, you'd think people would run at, say 256 or high= er, but I guess it is considered "cool" to walk around with 10,000 songs on= an iPod. The only reason I bought a HiMD recorder was because it offers t= he option of NO compression, 16 bit@44.1 kHz PCM. Now if Sony would wake u= p and apply that cool magneto-optical technology to a bit larger disc, like= the size of a floppy maybe, and run it at 24-bit/96 kHz., I'd skip dinner = for a year to buy one, hah-hah! Until then, ye olde rusty-but-trusty Tasca= m reel>reel STAYS in the rack! George=20=20 --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 3:57 PM > I love the "anti-fidelity"=A0 part!=A0 Very true > today with this MP3 stuff and all.=A0 It's got a lil > better on that front but MP3 is still MP3.=A0 Maybe we should > relate it to tape speeds.=A0 3 3/4 ips. versus the fidelity > of 7 1/2 ips.=A0 Ha!=A0 Love those reel to reels!=A0 ATR > Magnetics is supposed to start manufacturing 1/4" open > reel tape this year where Ampex/Quantegy left off.=A0 Hmm > what happend to WORD 1330, its off and buzzing?=A0 Gotta go > turn it off.=A0=A0 Yeah I still listen to it eventhough they > are republican only !=A0 Hey I need to hear what they are > saying!=A0 Yall be good. > =A0 >=20 >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, george russell > wrote: >=20 > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:57 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I kinda see your point, Don, but how much of it is really > free, anyway? > Last time I checked, air-time is NOT cheap! That aside, it > is only natural human nature for a station to allow more > time from those they agree with. Maybe the answer is to go > back to the ownership limitations? > Bye-Bye, Cheap Channel!!! (and along with it, the > anti-C-QUAM and anti-high-fidelity attitudes they so > cherish!) > George >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: >=20 > > From: W6YN Don Milbury > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:10 PM > > What started all of the hashing was someone decided it > was a > > good idea to regulate free speech. Free speech is not > > allowing the federal government manage political > speech on > > the public airwaves. > > Rather than having the government regulate what people > can > > say, we should let the market decide what people want > to > > hear. That=A2s precisely why the Fairness Doctrine was > > abandoned, and that=A2s why it ought not to be revived. > >=20 > > Don > >=20 > > -- clemsonbloke > wrote: > > Alright we've hashed this crap forever and > honestly > > i'm ready for more radio talk, this is radio > isn't > > it? We also are straying from the topic of this forum > way > > too much so I want to bring it back in line. I'd > like > > someone to adress a recent product. I'd like to > hear > > from one of our resident experts on this matter. > We've > > all discussed the Sangean HD radio component tuner in > the > > past and other models. We all know that the Sangean > and > > that small radio shack radio also decode CQUAM. Sony > has > > recently come out with a component HD radio tuner. It > is > > the XDR-F1HD and it is an attractive and affordable > > component tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes > > CQUAM as well? That is what i'd like to know. Here > is > > a link to the sony page with this product: > >=20 > > http://www.sonystyl e.com/webapp/ wcs/stores/ > servlet/ProductD isplay?catalogId =3D10551&storeId=3D > 10151&langId=3D -1&productId=3D 8198552921665401 984 > >=20 > > Does anyone have any information on this product as > far as > > CQUAM is concerned? I know most of the HD units that > do in > > fact decode CQUAM do not advertise that fact. Maybe > Kevin > > would know about this? Well what do you folks think > about > > this unit? I rather like its looks. > >=20 > > -Kevin (ClemsonBloke) >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 07 20:51:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71704 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 03:51:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 03:51:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 03:51:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27122 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 03:51:25 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:51:24 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 03:51:24 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00d601c8f8f0$df2766c0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <126705.26432.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=TBo7nkl1yFyo_WVuTG9-wQEiJ5SgFc7yv-pPCD3Ba7SEts3cSUru X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It this is true think abotu Engineers.=A0 Boy we are in a sad shape if that= were true.=A0 NOT! =A0 =A0 --- On Thu, 8/7/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote= : From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 8:47 PM If teaching were my gift I'd have turned you guys around a long time ago. T= extbook writers and the academics who use them have an agenda. They hate so= -called "right wing hate radio" as much as you do, hence they want to silen= ce it.=20 Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio Then you are wrong. If you are right then why aren't you teaching the class= ? As a matter of fact why aren't anyone else on here teaching it since you = are right? So you are saying the professors and folks who write the books a= re complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What passes for educat= ion? What passes for ignorance on here amazes me. --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net wro= te: From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just that. Much of what p= asses for higher education nowadays is balderdash, especially in the libera= l arts. And I say that as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, tho= ugh I had 95% of everything done by 83. Scott ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what I said it was a= bout unless you are saying that my professors are wrong and that the textbo= oks are wrong! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG.=20 Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1596 - Release Date: 8/6/08 4:5= 5 PM --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 07 20:52:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80436 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 03:52:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 03:52:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 03:52:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27648 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 03:52:09 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:52:08 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 03:52:08 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00e501c8f8f1$5a9b67c0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <103683.27176.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=T2i5i25Jofiakb7ve4tzEQOJamxRJvnMQHxmKEwuz06EuoSfFLP0 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Because most americans dont have the balls to stand up to the government li= ke our forefathers did, thats why sir. =A0 =A0 =A0 --- On Thu, 8/7/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote= : From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 8:50 PM Ultimately that's true, but why is it up to us to finance ever growing gove= rnment programs and so-called investments? Why can't the politicians spend = less? And I mean ALL political parties when I say that. Scott ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 If the taxpayers (which are every single american) dont pay off the debt wh= o will?=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 07 20:53:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57616 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 03:52:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 03:52:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 03:52:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50237 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 03:52:58 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:52:58 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 03:52:58 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <011b01c8f8f2$9c4b1700$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <524124.50105.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=5c9KmudAgOq_4QU_26yApGRKo4NMfP-UVKoa7fiiPx8Dpx5tLlJW X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Saddam was terrible but he had nothing to do with 9 11.=A0 You are grossly = misinformed sir.=A0=20 =A0 =A0 =A0 --- On Thu, 8/7/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote= : From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 8:59 PM Iraq hasn't had much of a working infrastructure since Clinton bombed them = back in the 90s. They do now under Bush. Afghanistan is starting to develop= infrastructure for the first time in its history. As for your idiotic comment about Iraq not having anything to do with 9/11,= the only ones who keep repeating this are the political left. I have yet t= o meet ANYONE who says Iraq had anything to do with it. You're incessant re= peating of this bilge won't make it anymore true. Plans to go after Saddam = date back to at least 1998. 9/11 was merely a catalyst that said maybe we s= hould finally do something about him. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Yeah and what about nation building schemes? Wait I doubt anyone understand= s what that even is. Well let me tell you. What they do is go in and claim = someone did this or that to us and destroy their country. They then send th= ese companies over there to rebuild what was torn up. Thats huge business a= nd these companies make billions. Plain and simple. Go in and tear someones= back yard up just to make billions off rebuilding them. Iraq had nothing t= o do with september 11....afghanistan was where the problem was. If people = don't know that then they are complete uninformed idiots. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 07 20:55:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12510 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 03:55:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 03:55:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 03:55:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 57953 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 03:55:46 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:55:46 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 03:55:46 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <016b01c8f8ff$4284af80$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <781200.56920.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=IaF1YY7aIsNnKBV6EUFmb0kkkwc27GdspduFquRinsJG2AXiKAxm X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Up to you bud......leave if you want but don't let the door hit you on the = way out, I think you knwo the rest.=A0 Put simply no one cares if you cry h= ere.=A0 I tried to bring this back to AM stereo but you keep opening your m= outh. =A0 --- On Thu, 8/7/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote= : From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:30 PM This is directed at the political lefties here. I'm ticked and I'm ready to= ditch this list. I've tried to be civil but I'm at a point where I'm going= to unload and I don't care who gets hurt. You finger-pointing socialists a= nd your hatred of the rich are going to be the death of not only our econom= y, but the very thing we're on this list to preserve- AM stereo. Has it nev= er occurred to any of you that we've done absolutely NOTHING of any effect = to save it? The only way it'll happen is if one or more of us get rich enou= gh to buy our own stations! But no, you clowns that insist on being good little socialists because it's= "fair", not realizing many problems often are actually the cost of excess = government regulation pricing goods and services out of the market rather t= han "oppression" by "the rich." Not that there haven't been abuses, I'll fu= lly acknowlege that- Enron, Worldcom, etc. Bad business practices will like= ly be with us to the end of time but the alternative is good business pract= ices, not socialism. I'm not sure how or even if good business practices ca= n be legislated. Not sure who said it but there's a saying that goes roughl= y "If we don't let ourselves be governed by a few big rules [a reference to= the ten commandments, I believe] we'll be governed by a lot of little ones= ." Given our myriad of liliputian laws we're well into the latter part of t= he spectrum. I don't like hearing of an executive getting a huge severance just before b= ailing out of a failing company anymore than you do. But I have read a book= on the difference between effective and failing companies and it's called = The Oz Principle. One thing failing companies do is the same thing I've wit= nessed here and that's a lot of finger pointing. God help me to get rich so I can buy some AM stations and put AM stereo on = them. Get your lazy buns out of my way and let me do what needs to get done= . You're complaining is counterproductive. If that offends you, tough cooki= es! I'll gladly be part of the hated rich, though if you insist on voting f= or the socialist Obama I'm sure my currently slim chances will be reduced t= o none. BTW, I'll do everything I can to pay my employees fairly, but given= that radio is one of the most heavily regulated industries and the mulitpl= icity of medial alternatives that didn't exist even a decade ago it's VERY = hard to make a profit. It's NOT necessarily greed that has caused radio's w= oes. Executives aren't all overpaid versions of Arthur Carlson. [That's a W= KRP TV series reference for those too young to know.] Scott Todd I'm surprised I made it through without singling anyone out specifically. G= od knows I wanted to. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Thu Aug 07 21:04:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95301 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 04:04:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 04:04:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 04:04:07 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail21.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.161]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEKZTN6AW3Y7MS for (sender ); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:03:40 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDyMmKoaZn97vi3LaPSSUoA0= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail21.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NR2WSAUF; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:03:10 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.244.200] by webmail21.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 04:02:12 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 04:02:12 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080807.210212.22786.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 11:5:1489395189 X-MAIL-INFO: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 b585 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.161|webmail21.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=UhR0TPYa1vAbHxj9umOzknlxn0nI__TOHdO-Hg63CQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Good grief! Can't you read? He said: "I have yet to meet ANYONE who says Ir= aq had anything to do with it." Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: Saddam was terrible but he had nothing to do with 9 11. You are grossly mi= sinformed sir.=20=20 =20 =20 =20 --- On Thu, 8/7/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote= : From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 8:59 PM Iraq hasn't had much of a working infrastructure since Clinton bombed them = back in the 90s. They do now under Bush. Afghanistan is starting to develop= infrastructure for the first time in its history. As for your idiotic comment about Iraq not having anything to do with 9/11,= the only ones who keep repeating this are the political left. I have yet t= o meet ANYONE who says Iraq had anything to do with it. You're incessant re= peating of this bilge won't make it anymore true. Plans to go after Saddam = date back to at least 1998. 9/11 was merely a catalyst that said maybe we s= hould finally do something about him. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Yeah and what about nation building schemes? Wait I doubt anyone understand= s what that even is. Well let me tell you. What they do is go in and claim = someone did this or that to us and destroy their country. They then send th= ese companies over there to rebuild what was torn up. Thats huge business a= nd these companies make billions. Plain and simple. Go in and tear someones= back yard up just to make billions off rebuilding them. Iraq had nothing t= o do with september 11....afghanistan was where the problem was. If people = don't know that then they are complete uninformed idiots. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 21:08:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61872 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 04:08:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 04:08:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 04:08:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98325 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 04:08:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:08:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:08:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080807.183305.29182.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <490723.97746.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=mDQh1onw55OcuE3VbwlmtcI1x59kKzOKqyPL5cI1E6lH2w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Nah, not a Marxist, I DO believe some of what Marx said is true, though. Basically, I DO believe in a free market, but with safeguards against explo= itation, and other regulations to make it a free market for EVERYONE! I'm not bitter, I've just seen too many fatcats get that way by ripping off= the workers...then have the gull to look down their noses at the very peop= le they ripped off. Having been on the receiving end of that before, I hav= e a right to be a bit pissed! I am NOT lazy, I am willing to get up early = and work late, giving it 110% of all I've got, but NOT for a wage that keep= s me economically imprisoned. And PLEASE don't tell me "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em"...I have a concience, and my standards ar= e not for sale. I may be poor white trash by 5th Avenue standards (like I care!), but I am NOT a hypocrite! As for our dear beloved Governess, Jennifer Granholm, Canada's greatest gif= t to Michigan, THERE is a woman of unbelievable guts! To even run for re-e= lection surprised me, after all the blame she got for a screwed up economy = she inherited from John "screw everybody" Engler. I watched that evil SOB Engler pull so many back-door deals, take kickbacks= like it was as natural as breathing, then when caught, make no apologies! The reason Michigan highways are so bad is because a certain company I won'= t name engaged in mutual back-scratching with that crook, and made sure the= roads were never fixed quite right, resulting in a lot of repeat business.= ..and repeat kickbacks. There is only one reason I wish she HADN'T become Governess...she was an in= credibly good Attorney General, probably the best we ever had,=A0and had sh= e remained one, Engler would be in Jackson right now helping stamp out lice= nse plates and living with a girlfriend named Bubba...too good for him as = far as I'm concerned! Ms. Granholm is fighting an uphill battle against a very resistant bunch of= in-it-for-themselves idiots in Lansing, and I pray every night that God wi= ll give her strength to make it through another day.=20 It may come as a shock to you, but just before the election, there were REP= UBLICANS campaigning for her via the internet, and with billboards. Why? They knew Dick DeVos would be another term of Englerism, Even the R= epubs knew what was the best bet for the State, swallowed their pride, and = made the right choice. If she fails it won't be for lack of wisdom or effo= rt, but a lack of support from fools who can't admit she has some great ide= as. Jennifer Granholm loves Michigan, and the people of Michigan who are hip to= the REAL jive in Lansing love HER! I had the honor of meeting her, as she = road into Durand on a steam locomotive (in a white dress...gutsy lady!), an= d I can tell you there isn't an arrogant or un-genuine bone in her body. S= he has fought every year to keep Amtrak running in this state, even when th= e know-it-alls said the trains were dying, and shouldn't be supported...and= Amtrak ridership continues to skyrocket for the last five years! She AIN'= T no dummy! God bless and save our esteemed and beloved Governess! George --- On Thu, 8/7/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 9:33 PM > You seem to be a very bitter Marxist. Your Governess as good > news for you: >=20 > Governess Says Invest Michigan! will Grow State Pension > Fund, Invest in Michigan Businesses, Create Jobs >=20 > Contact: Liz Boyd 517-335-6397 >=20 > Radio Address outlines plan to build Michigan's > economic future >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > LANSING - In her weekly radio address, Governor Jennifer M. > Granholm today said her plan to invest $300 million in > Michigan-based companies will grow the state pension fund > and create jobs. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > "This week, we moved forward on another of our plans > to grow business and create jobs by announcing Invest > Michigan! - a fund that will use $300 million, a large > amount of capital but a small portion of our state pension > fund, to invest in businesses that create the jobs we need > in Michigan," Granholm said. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > The 21st Century Jobs Fund and the Venture Michigan Fund > are investing hundreds of millions of dollars focused on > Michigan companies at the critical early-growth state.=20 > Until this point, however, there has not been enough funding > available for later-stage capital needs. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > "Invest Michigan! will use state pension funds to help > diversify Michigan's economy by retaining, attracting, > and building successful small and mid-sized businesses and > creating jobs for Michigan workers," Granholm said.=20 > "These investments in Michigan-based companies, in > turn, will grow our pension funds. Invest Michigan! is a > program that will put Michigan money to work building > Michigan's economic future." >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > The governor's weekly radio address is released each > Friday morning and may be heard on broadcast stations across > the state. The address is available on the governor's > Web site at (www.michigan.gov/gov) for download, together > with a clip of the quote above. The radio address is also > available as a podcast on the Web site, as well as on iTunes > and via RSS feed for general distribution to personal MP3 > players and home computers.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- george russell wrote: > I've got a good idea (which means we will probably > never see it happen): > Why not get rid of the income tax altogether, and tax only > goods and services? That way, the rich who just HAVE to > have the 12 Mercedes and the gazillion room house WILL pay > their fair share, while the poorest among us will pay only > what they can. Leave taxes off of basic needs, such as food > and housing. If we do it right, it WILL work! > I know at least one state (can't remember which one, > north-east area?) > has done this with success. > I'm sick to death of the excuses for the rich, > "but they provide jobs!", REALLY??? > Where?!? in Mexico? In China? WHERE? Sure as hell not > here in Michigan! Oh, OK, maybe in the "Service > Industry" (what a euphemism!) slaving over a hot > hamburger grill, or sweating their brains out in a factory, > for a wage that can barely support one person, let alone a > family.=20 > That is just OBSCENE! And yet the "religious > right" (which is frankly neither!) finds it OK...so > exploitation and abuse are Christian values? > Not in MY Bible!=20 > "But we shouldn't tax the rich to feed the > poor". Let's hear BOTH sides of the story!=20 > Who's labor, sweat, and blood did they use to GET rich? > Whether by hitting it good in the market, inheriting it, or > outright exploiting it, SOMEBODY got their hands dirty doing > the grunt work, or even risking their health or very > life...and it damn sure wasn't the rich, > as such endeavors are light-years beneath them. > I repeat, when somebody well-off, smugly admiring and > brown-nosing the right-wing liars, cheaters, thieves loses > THEIR job, or THEIR home, THEN I think they will finally see > what those on the left figured out a long time ago! > "To take more than one needs, if it means somebody > else losing out, is wrong", to paraphrase...Carl Marx? > NO! Vladimir Lenin? NO! > How about St. Frances of Asisi! (so now you can call me a > sissi AND a commie pinko!) > What we need is what happened in Poland, years back...EVERY > working man and woman (and sadly, child) just NOT SHOW UP > FOR WORK! When nobody gets their trash hauled away, their > breakfast served, or there power kept on, > then maybe we will appreciate those who the damn snobs keep > looking down their despicable plastic noses at! > Of course, in this country, Bush, Chaney and Assoc. would > just call out the military, and make us work at gunpoint. > And if you think THAT can't happen in a "free > country" (free as long as you can afford it), you > better look into the history of coal mining! If what > happened in Matawan,=20 > West-thank God-Virginia doesn't break your heart, you > don't HAVE ONE! > Whoever said I had a compassionate heart was right..I have > a HUGE PASSION and UNBREAKABLE LOVE for the working > American, and God help the plutocrat that thinks they can > change THAT with ill-informed or outright dishonest > right-wing rhetoric! I'm poor, but I'm NOT BLIND > or STUPID! > And this IS related to AM Stereo...I'll say it over a > C-QUAM transmitter with a 15 second delay between channels, > so that in case anything is missed, it can be heard AGAIN!=20=20 > I could go on, but at a b.p. of 180/100 and rising, I > better stop... > I can't afford a doctor if I "blow a > gasket"... > G >=20 >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke > wrote: >=20 > > From: clemsonbloke > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:40 AM > > Don, > >=20=20 > > Thats not even practical thought. If the taxpayers > (which > > are every single american) dont pay off the debt who > will?=20 > > You misunderstand what this country is about then if > you > > think we shouldn't pay our fair share. Yes I > think > > taxes are high and higher than should be but its the > middle > > class that pays the brunt of taxes, not the rich. We > all > > though own this country and we all have to do our > part.=20 > > Therefore we all must pay the debt off and I am for > paying > > the debt off. Why sir should we be indebted to China > and > > keep borrowing money we don't have? As I said I > dont > > claim one side. I can see BS on both sides. The debt > > though needs to be paid down. We need to get away > from any > > dependence on other countries. We also need to bring > back > > our own manufacturing. American Made used to be a > thing of > > pride. What is made in America anymore? We don't > > like taxes but we are all stewards of this country and > we > > must pay our part no matter how > > unfair it may be. It's our civic duty. It all > > depends on perspective. Now income taxes are one > thing and > > I think all that needs overhauling. The whole tax > code > > should be scrapped and designed as a fair system > across the > > board. Yes that should be done. At the end of the > day > > though it still comes down to the fact we are all > stewards > > of this place and we have to pay our part. Whether or > not > > you think its wrong or right. > >=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, W6YN Don Milbury > > > wrote: > >=20 > > From: W6YN Don Milbury > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:36 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > One doesn't have to look far to find vocal > liberals in > > the news media. Unbiased media seems to be difficult > to > > find: > >=20 > > Let's see ... > >=20 > > ABC's Claire Shipman says the taxpayers, not the > > politicians, should sacrifice to close the budget > deficit: > > "If every American were to pitch in $2,000, we > could > > pay off this year's deficit. ... Or, if we handed > over, > > each of us, 500 gallons of gasoline or, in terms we > could > > all really understand, if every American gave up 666 > lattes > > for a year, we could pay off this year's > deficit." > >=20 > > Dan Rather predicts Big Oil will try to manipulate the > > election for John McCain: "The people who can > affect > > the price of oil would prefer a Republican > presidential > > candidate. Watch the price of oil. If it goes down, > which it > > may very well, it could help John McCain quite a > bit." > >=20 > > The Associated Press swoons: "It's not only > > Obama's youth, eloquence and energy that have > stolen > > hearts across the Atlantic. Obama has raised > expectations of > > a chance for the nation to redeem itself in the role > that > > Europe has loved, respected and relied upon." > >=20 > > CBS's Mark Phillips melts in Berlin: "The > > 200,000-plus crowd confirmed his rock star status, and > his > > more cooperative sounding rhetoric was what the crowd > wanted > > to hear." > >=20 > > Alessandra Stanley of the New York Times rejects > charges of > > pro-Obama bias with this doozy: "Mr. Obama's > > weeklong tour of war zones and foreign capitals is > > noteworthy because it is so unusual to see a > presidential > > candidate act so presidential overseas." > >=20 > > On "Meet the Press," NBC's Tom Brokaw > prods > > Al Gore: "How can you, given the passion that you > feel > > about this issue, turn down the idea that you could be > in > > the administration as a vice president or as an energy > czar > > or as both?" > >=20 > > With a straight face, retiring New York Times reporter > > Linda Greenhouse claims, "President Clinton > played to > > the center, not the left, in selecting Ruth Bader > Ginsburg > > and Stephen G. Breyer." > >=20 > > NBC labels the late Jesse Helms an "outspoken > > ultra-rightist, " but waxed about Howard > Metzenbaum as > > a "populist" who "always fought for the > > little guy." > >=20 > > NBC's Matt Lauer presses Barack Obama -- as not > liberal > > enough, quoting hotheads at the New York Times: > "Sen. > > Obama is not just tacking gently toward the center. > He's > > lurching right when it suits him, he's zigging > with the > > kind of reckless abandon that's guaranteed to > cause > > disillusion, if not whiplash." > >=20 > > New polls from battleground states delight MSNBC's > > Chris Matthews: "I'm thrilled with this. > > Obama's strength in the Northeast, the West Coast > and > > the Great Lakes." > >=20 > > CBS's Katie Couric sees bias now: "However > you > > feel about her politics, I feel that Sen. Clinton > received > > some of the most unfair, hostile coverage I've > ever > > seen." > >=20 > > And Time's former Washington Bureau Chief Margaret > > Carlson pens, "If there's anything we need to > > rescue us from the last eight years, it's brains, > good > > judgment and experience. Obama has the first two. Gore > has > > all three." > >=20 > > NBC's Lee Cowan waxes, "In victory and in > defeat > > Michelle Obama had always been there, dressed as > brightly as > > her husband's smile." ... In reference to > John > > McCain's wife Cindy, New York Times reporter > Alessandra > > Stanley writes: "As the Equal Rights Amendment > faded as > > a cause and conservatism made a comeback, Republican > spouses > > became ever more careful to stay three steps behind > their > > men and the times." > >=20 > > Former ABC reporter Linda Douglass, now an Obama > > spokesperson, reveals the obvious: "I have > fundamental > > differences with John McCain on the issues and always > have. > > I don't have any problem criticizing John > McCain." > >=20 > > AP reporter Charles Babington cheers: "Obama is > > something special, a man who makes difficult tasks > look > > easy, who seems to touch millions of diverse people > with a > > message of hope that somehow doesn't sound > Pollyannaish. > > "
 Conservative columnist Bob Novak > tells it > > like it is: "I've been covering presidential > > campaigns since 1960. I have always said I have never > seen > > the media as much entranced by a candidate than when > they > > were in my very first campaign, in 1960, when they > were for > > JFK. But I'm telling you right now, the > enchantment with > > Obama beats the JFK syndrome." > >=20 > > Other than these, Bob, there are no liberals in the > news > > media - just honest unbiased reporting. > >=20 > > Don > >=20 > > --- > >=20 > > -- clemsonbloke > wrote: > > Then you are wrong. If you are right then why > aren't > > you teaching the class? As a matter of fact why > aren't > > anyone else on here teaching it since you are right? > So you > > are saying the professors and folks who write the > books are > > complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What > > passes for education? What passes for ignorance on > here > > amazes me. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net > > wrote: > >=20 > > From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net > .net> > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM > >=20 > > At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just > > that. Much of what passes for higher education > nowadays is > > balderdash, especially in the liberal arts. And I say > that > > as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, > though I > > had 95% of everything done by 83. > >=20 > > Scott > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: clemsonbloke=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 > >=20 > > Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about > what > > I said it was about unless you are saying that my > professors > > are wrong and that the textbooks are wrong! > >=20 > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > > http://www.usfamily .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! > Groups > > Links > >=20 > >=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links =20=20=20=20=20=20 From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 07 21:12:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38698 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 04:12:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 04:12:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.59) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 04:12:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44452 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 04:12:18 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:12:18 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 04:12:18 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <866596.49097.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <693261.43785.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ze2-u8uk96shCTGKRRhDfxJsqJqSpTCp8n-P9qxllo-scr1bkXZ_ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep it is tops and you can't fool this Eagle.=A0 These people on here takin= g up for the current administration are the very people that need to wake u= p and smell the damn coffee cause it's burning.=A0 Some people never learn = and ultimately go down with the ship.=A0 I don't hate those people, I just = wish their eyes were opened to all the bad thats going on.=A0 I don't disli= ke anyone here that isn't agreeing with me.=A0 I just wish they could see t= hey are following something thats bad.=A0 I guess i'm a leader and always h= ave been throughout my life and I don't blindly follow anyone.=A0 As i've s= aid on many occasions there is wrong with both sides.=A0 Just wish they'd w= ake up. =A0 --- On Thu, 8/7/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:01 PM Yeah, Eagle is the top of the crop! My dad was a scoutmaster, so you can gu= ess I was in it, too. Your right, we have steered a bit away from AM Stereo, but honestly, I have= thoroughly enjoyed your take on things, Kevin. Feel free to "rant" all you like directly to my email address, above. I sense a kindred spirit...a free thinker...not enough of us out there! George --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 3:53 PM > Well said !=A0 I love the "ill say it over > CQUAM....... .."=A0 ha!=A0 Agreed but you know they all > just loved this character on the stage called Bush.=A0 Well > has anyone done any ressearch?=A0 I thin not because if they > did they'd see he and his family are goody goody with > the Saudi Royal Family.=A0 To me, in light of current > affairs, this should be looked at as treason to this > country!! Yes it's these big rich folk who are planning > the take over of this country and they've hoodwinked > SOME of these poor people out here into supporting their > cause by using religion and other causes.=A0 Do I believe > Bush when he says he's this big christian guy?=A0 His > actions are not that representative of such if you ask me.=A0 > See he sold all these idiots a lie and they bought it.=A0 Oh > the faith based this and faith based that.=A0 Yeah right it > was nothing more than a lie sold to that segment of people > to get a vote.=A0 The sad thing is they never even picked up > on it.=A0 I heard so > many people saying "oh bush is a good christian > man"=A0 !=A0 Poppycock!=A0 If he was then why didn't > he do anything to help the people of Katrina?=A0 He was > caught with his pants down on that one while he stood there > and studdered.=A0 No none of these followers on this list > will convince me otherwise.=A0 If they can't see the > crimes committed by these people then they are blind.=A0 Yeah > and what about nation building schemes?=A0 Wait I doubt > anyone understands what that even is.=A0 Well let me tell > you.=A0 What they do is go in and claim someone did this or > that to us and destroy their country.=A0 They then send these > companies over there to rebuild what was torn up.=A0 Thats > huge business and these companies make billions.=A0 Plain and > simple.=A0 Go in and tear someones back yard up just to make > billions off rebuilding them.=A0 Iraq had nothing to do with > september 11....afghanistan was where the problem was.=A0 If > people don't know that then they are complete > uninformed idiots.=A0 That was the biggest diversion in > history.=A0 Criminals I say criminals.=A0 I love my country > but not what these idiots have turned it into.=A0 Hell I made > Eagle Scout (only 2% of all scouts ever make that!) so I > think I know my country and what it should be and I love my > country.=A0 It's just sad to see what a few idiots have > done to it and our freedoms.=A0 We used to laugh at Russia > and their cameras on the streets and how they watched and > controlled their people.=A0 Now we are turning into the same > thing.=A0 Bottom line is people=A0need to wake up before we > lose it all.=A0 > =A0 > =A0 >=20 >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, george russell > wrote: >=20 > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:33 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I've got a good idea (which means we will probably > never see it happen): > Why not get rid of the income tax altogether, and tax only > goods and services? That way, the rich who just HAVE to have > the 12 Mercedes and the gazillion room house WILL pay their > fair share, while the poorest among us will pay only what > they can. Leave taxes off of basic needs, such as food and > housing. If we do it right, it WILL work! > I know at least one state (can't remember which one, > north-east area?) > has done this with success. > I'm sick to death of the excuses for the rich, > "but they provide jobs!", REALLY??? > Where?!? in Mexico? In China? WHERE? Sure as hell not here > in Michigan! Oh, OK, maybe in the "Service > Industry" (what a euphemism!) slaving over a hot > hamburger grill, or sweating their brains out in a factory, > for a wage that can barely support one person, let alone a > family.=20 > That is just OBSCENE! And yet the "religious > right" (which is frankly neither!) finds it OK...so > exploitation and abuse are Christian values? > Not in MY Bible!=20 > "But we shouldn't tax the rich to feed the > poor". Let's hear BOTH sides of the story! > Who's labor, sweat, and blood did they use to GET rich? > Whether by hitting it good in the market, inheriting it, or > outright exploiting it, SOMEBODY got their hands dirty doing > the grunt work, or even risking their health or very > life...and it damn sure wasn't the rich, > as such endeavors are light-years beneath them. > I repeat, when somebody well-off, smugly admiring and > brown-nosing the right-wing liars, cheaters, thieves loses > THEIR job, or THEIR home, THEN I think they will finally see > what those on the left figured out a long time ago! > "To take more than one needs, if it means somebody > else losing out, is wrong", to paraphrase.. .Carl Marx? > NO! Vladimir Lenin? NO! > How about St. Frances of Asisi! (so now you can call me a > sissi AND a commie pinko!) > What we need is what happened in Poland, years back...EVERY > working man and woman (and sadly, child) just NOT SHOW UP > FOR WORK! When nobody gets their trash hauled away, their > breakfast served, or there power kept on, > then maybe we will appreciate those who the damn snobs keep > looking down their despicable plastic noses at! > Of course, in this country, Bush, Chaney and Assoc. would > just call out the military, and make us work at gunpoint. > And if you think THAT can't happen in a "free > country" (free as long as you can afford it), you > better look into the history of coal mining! If what > happened in Matawan,=20 > West-thank God-Virginia doesn't break your heart, you > don't HAVE ONE! > Whoever said I had a compassionate heart was right..I have > a HUGE PASSION and UNBREAKABLE LOVE for the working > American, and God help the plutocrat that thinks they can > change THAT with ill-informed or outright dishonest > right-wing rhetoric! I'm poor, but I'm NOT BLIND or > STUPID! > And this IS related to AM Stereo...I'll say it over a > C-QUAM transmitter with a 15 second delay between channels, > so that in case anything is missed, it can be heard AGAIN!=20 > I could go on, but at a b.p. of 180/100 and rising, I > better stop... > I can't afford a doctor if I "blow a > gasket"... > G >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke yahoo.co. uk> wrote: >=20 > > From: clemsonbloke > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:40 AM > > Don, > > =A0 > > Thats not even practical thought.=A0 If the taxpayers > (which > > are every single american) dont pay off the debt who > will?=A0 > > You misunderstand what this country is about then if > you > > think we shouldn't pay our fair share.=A0 Yes I > think > > taxes are high and higher than should be but its the > middle > > class that pays the brunt of taxes, not the rich.=A0 We > all > > though own this country and we all have to do our > part.=A0 > > Therefore we all must pay the debt off and I am for > paying > > the debt off.=A0 Why sir should we be indebted to China > and > > keep borrowing money we don't have?=A0 As I said I > dont > > claim one side.=A0 I can see BS on both sides.=A0 The > debt > > though needs to be paid down.=A0 We need to get away > from any > > dependence on other countries.=A0 We also need to bring > back > > our own manufacturing.=A0 American Made used to be a > thing of > > pride.=A0 What is made in America anymore?=A0 We > don't > > like taxes but we are all stewards of this country and > we > > must pay our part no matter how > > unfair it may be.=A0 It's our civic duty.=A0 It all > > depends on perspective.=A0 Now income taxes are one > thing and > > I think all that needs overhauling.=A0 The whole tax > code > > should be scrapped and designed as a fair system > across the > > board.=A0 Yes that should be done.=A0 At the end of the > day > > though it still comes down to the fact we are all > stewards > > of this place and we have to pay our part.=A0 Whether > or not > > you think its wrong or right. > > =A0 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, W6YN Don Milbury > > > wrote: > >=20 > > From: W6YN Don Milbury > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:36 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > One doesn't have to look far to find vocal > liberals in > > the news media. Unbiased media seems to be difficult > to > > find: > >=20 > > Let's see ... > >=20 > > ABC's Claire Shipman says the taxpayers, not the > > politicians, should sacrifice to close the budget > deficit: > > "If every American were to pitch in $2,000, we > could > > pay off this year's deficit. ... Or, if we handed > over, > > each of us, 500 gallons of gasoline or, in terms we > could > > all really understand, if every American gave up 666 > lattes > > for a year, we could pay off this year's > deficit." > >=20 > > Dan Rather predicts Big Oil will try to manipulate the > > election for John McCain: "The people who can > affect > > the price of oil would prefer a Republican > presidential > > candidate. Watch the price of oil. If it goes down, > which it > > may very well, it could help John McCain quite a > bit." > >=20 > > The Associated Press swoons: "It's not only > > Obama's youth, eloquence and energy that have > stolen > > hearts across the Atlantic. Obama has raised > expectations of > > a chance for the nation to redeem itself in the role > that > > Europe has loved, respected and relied upon." > >=20 > > CBS's Mark Phillips melts in Berlin: "The > > 200,000-plus crowd confirmed his rock star status, and > his > > more cooperative sounding rhetoric was what the crowd > wanted > > to hear." > >=20 > > Alessandra Stanley of the New York Times rejects > charges of > > pro-Obama bias with this doozy: "Mr. Obama's > > weeklong tour of war zones and foreign capitals is > > noteworthy because it is so unusual to see a > presidential > > candidate act so presidential overseas." > >=20 > > On "Meet the Press," NBC's Tom Brokaw > prods > > Al Gore: "How can you, given the passion that you > feel > > about this issue, turn down the idea that you could be > in > > the administration as a vice president or as an energy > czar > > or as both?" > >=20 > > With a straight face, retiring New York Times reporter > > Linda Greenhouse claims, "President Clinton > played to > > the center, not the left, in selecting Ruth Bader > Ginsburg > > and Stephen G. Breyer." > >=20 > > NBC labels the late Jesse Helms an "outspoken > > ultra-rightist, " but waxed about Howard > Metzenbaum as > > a "populist" who "always fought for the > > little guy." > >=20 > > NBC's Matt Lauer presses Barack Obama -- as not > liberal > > enough, quoting hotheads at the New York Times: > "Sen. > > Obama is not just tacking gently toward the center. > He's > > lurching right when it suits him, he's zigging > with the > > kind of reckless abandon that's guaranteed to > cause > > disillusion, if not whiplash." > >=20 > > New polls from battleground states delight MSNBC's > > Chris Matthews: "I'm thrilled with this. > > Obama's strength in the Northeast, the West Coast > and > > the Great Lakes." > >=20 > > CBS's Katie Couric sees bias now: "However > you > > feel about her politics, I feel that Sen. Clinton > received > > some of the most unfair, hostile coverage I've > ever > > seen." > >=20 > > And Time's former Washington Bureau Chief Margaret > > Carlson pens, "If there's anything we need to > > rescue us from the last eight years, it's brains, > good > > judgment and experience. Obama has the first two. Gore > has > > all three." > >=20 > > NBC's Lee Cowan waxes, "In victory and in > defeat > > Michelle Obama had always been there, dressed as > brightly as > > her husband's smile." ... In reference to > John > > McCain's wife Cindy, New York Times reporter > Alessandra > > Stanley writes: "As the Equal Rights Amendment > faded as > > a cause and conservatism made a comeback, Republican > spouses > > became ever more careful to stay three steps behind > their > > men and the times." > >=20 > > Former ABC reporter Linda Douglass, now an Obama > > spokesperson, reveals the obvious: "I have > fundamental > > differences with John McCain on the issues and always > have. > > I don't have any problem criticizing John > McCain." > >=20 > > AP reporter Charles Babington cheers: "Obama is > > something special, a man who makes difficult tasks > look > > easy, who seems to touch millions of diverse people > with a > > message of hope that somehow doesn't sound > Pollyannaish. > > "
 Conservative columnist Bob Novak > tells it > > like it is: "I've been covering presidential > > campaigns since 1960. I have always said I have never > seen > > the media as much entranced by a candidate than when > they > > were in my very first campaign, in 1960, when they > were for > > JFK. But I'm telling you right now, the > enchantment with > > Obama beats the JFK syndrome." > >=20 > > Other than these, Bob, there are no liberals in the > news > > media - just honest unbiased reporting. > >=20 > > Don > >=20 > > --- > >=20 > > -- clemsonbloke > wrote: > > Then you are wrong. If you are right then why > aren't > > you teaching the class? As a matter of fact why > aren't > > anyone else on here teaching it since you are right? > So you > > are saying the professors and folks who write the > books are > > complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What > > passes for education? What passes for ignorance on > here > > amazes me. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net > > wrote: > >=20 > > From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net usfamily > > .net> > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM > >=20 > > At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just > > that. Much of what passes for higher education > nowadays is > > balderdash, especially in the liberal arts. And I say > that > > as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, > though I > > had 95% of everything done by 83. > >=20 > > Scott > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: clemsonbloke=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 > >=20 > > Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about > what > > I said it was about unless you are saying that my > professors > > are wrong and that the textbooks are wrong! > >=20 > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > > http://www.usfamily .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! > Groups > > Links > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 07 21:13:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55235 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 04:13:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 04:13:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 04:13:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 62776 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 04:13:06 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:13:06 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 04:13:06 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <010c01c8f903$1d97b9c0$58c72d40$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <608592.62468.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: RE: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=8rvdAzq_rDbqu8cen-1pkE8CTsyg2MEsIctm0NEpiJ7DNuP29-fL X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Juan, lol! --- On Thu, 8/7/08, J Gualda Q Media wrote: From: J Gualda Q Media Subject: RE: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:01 PM From: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. c= om] On Behalf Of scottn0bst@usfamily .net Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:00 PM To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio "I have yet to meet ANYONE who says Iraq had anything to do with it".=20 Scott Todd Oh boy ! I have stayed out of this mess, until this ignorant comment about 9/11 and Iraq. Let me start with the first one that comes to mind, and until recently stil= l repeated this retarded mantra.Our beloved Dick Cheney. I can fill this page with quotes, but anyone with Internet and a half a brain can search for themselves. I guess it's a case of repeat something enough, and they will believe it. Do you listen to any media besides Fox or the Right wing blowhards ? My God...NOW I know why the Right leaning talk shows do so well..It all makes sense now. Juan Fox....we report, YOU decide [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 21:18:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67455 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 04:18:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 04:18:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 04:18:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17126 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 04:18:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:18:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:18:22 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <608592.62468.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <52203.16365.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: RE: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=EERdUVJ_vu_nReJJ2uqqDiUFnMimg_WIv8VK0f-p8ONpag X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Oh, you must be referring to Dick Halliburton Chaney, master puppeteer pulling the strings of George Outsourcing Bush! --- On Fri, 8/8/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: RE: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 12:13 AM > Thanks Juan, lol! > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, J Gualda Q Media > wrote: > > From: J Gualda Q Media > Subject: RE: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:01 PM > > > > > > > > > From: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of scottn0bst@usfamily .net > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:00 PM > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > "I have yet to meet ANYONE who says Iraq had anything > to do with it". > > Scott Todd > > Oh boy ! > > I have stayed out of this mess, until this ignorant comment > about 9/11 and > Iraq. > > Let me start with the first one that comes to mind, and > until recently still > repeated this retarded mantra.Our beloved Dick Cheney. > > I can fill this page with quotes, but anyone with Internet > and a half a > brain can search for themselves. I guess it's a case of > repeat something > enough, and they will believe it. > > Do you listen to any media besides Fox or the Right wing > blowhards ? > > My God...NOW I know why the Right leaning talk shows do so > well..It all > makes sense now. > > Juan > > Fox....we report, YOU decide > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 07 21:18:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28290 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 04:18:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 04:18:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 04:18:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45944 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 04:18:25 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:18:25 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 04:18:25 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <317193.70333.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <699163.45873.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=EERdUVd_vu8E_LDH5ydaR-r61PI90o9RsiJmfW5ONh1fjg06ryMV X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable George, =A0 Yeah MP3 is interesting but it all depends on the coding scheme.=A0=A0=A0= =A0Believe it or not theres lots of MP3 options in Adobe=A0Audition and it = has this one coding scheme were it actually sounds pretty decent at 96kbps.= =A0 Its a different scheme under the options.=A0 For most things If I recor= d something as an MP3 I do a constant bit rate at 256kbps.=A0 Thats still n= othing compared to a CD at over 1400kbps.=A0=A0If not critical listening th= en an MP3 playlist playing with 256kbps files are decent for background mus= ic at a party or cookout.=A0 It'll do.=A0 Reel to Reel just has a differnet= sound altogether, that sweet analogue sound.=A0 To me and my ears it alway= s sounds better but then again I=A0grew up listening to it. =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Thu, 8/7/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:14 PM Good comparison! I think of 30 i.p.s. tape as an infinitely high bit rate, = 15 as good as fast 24-bit, 7.5 about =3D to ATRAC 4.5...and most MP3 as, oh= , about 1 7/8! Yeah, MP3 CAN sound good, but not when folks get stingy with= the bit-rate. My friend in Flint runs all the stuff in his car stereo at 1= 28 k, and the treble just plain sounds squashed and ripped. Today, memory is so cheap, you'd think people would run at, say 256 or high= er, but I guess it is considered "cool" to walk around with 10,000 songs on= an iPod. The only reason I bought a HiMD recorder was because it offers th= e option of NO compression, 16 bit@44.1 kHz PCM. Now if Sony would wake up = and apply that cool magneto-optical technology to a bit larger disc, like t= he size of a floppy maybe, and run it at 24-bit/96 kHz., I'd skip dinner fo= r a year to buy one, hah-hah! Until then, ye olde rusty-but-trusty Tascam r= eel>reel STAYS in the rack! George=20 --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 3:57 PM > I love the "anti-fidelity"=A0 part!=A0 Very true > today with this MP3 stuff and all.=A0 It's got a lil > better on that front but MP3 is still MP3.=A0 Maybe we should > relate it to tape speeds.=A0 3 3/4 ips. versus the fidelity > of 7 1/2 ips.=A0 Ha!=A0 Love those reel to reels!=A0 ATR > Magnetics is supposed to start manufacturing 1/4" open > reel tape this year where Ampex/Quantegy left off.=A0 Hmm > what happend to WORD 1330, its off and buzzing?=A0 Gotta go > turn it off.=A0=A0 Yeah I still listen to it eventhough they > are republican only !=A0 Hey I need to hear what they are > saying!=A0 Yall be good. > =A0 >=20 >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, george russell > wrote: >=20 > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:57 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I kinda see your point, Don, but how much of it is really > free, anyway? > Last time I checked, air-time is NOT cheap! That aside, it > is only natural human nature for a station to allow more > time from those they agree with. Maybe the answer is to go > back to the ownership limitations? > Bye-Bye, Cheap Channel!!! (and along with it, the > anti-C-QUAM and anti-high-fidelity attitudes they so > cherish!) > George >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: >=20 > > From: W6YN Don Milbury > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:10 PM > > What started all of the hashing was someone decided it > was a > > good idea to regulate free speech. Free speech is not > > allowing the federal government manage political > speech on > > the public airwaves. > > Rather than having the government regulate what people > can > > say, we should let the market decide what people want > to > > hear. That=A2s precisely why the Fairness Doctrine was > > abandoned, and that=A2s why it ought not to be revived. > >=20 > > Don > >=20 > > -- clemsonbloke > wrote: > > Alright we've hashed this crap forever and > honestly > > i'm ready for more radio talk, this is radio > isn't > > it? We also are straying from the topic of this forum > way > > too much so I want to bring it back in line. I'd > like > > someone to adress a recent product. I'd like to > hear > > from one of our resident experts on this matter. > We've > > all discussed the Sangean HD radio component tuner in > the > > past and other models. We all know that the Sangean > and > > that small radio shack radio also decode CQUAM. Sony > has > > recently come out with a component HD radio tuner. It > is > > the XDR-F1HD and it is an attractive and affordable > > component tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes > > CQUAM as well? That is what i'd like to know. Here > is > > a link to the sony page with this product: > >=20 > > http://www.sonystyl e.com/webapp/ wcs/stores/ > servlet/ProductD isplay?catalogId =3D10551&storeId=3D > 10151&langId=3D -1&productId=3D 8198552921665401 984 > >=20 > > Does anyone have any information on this product as > far as > > CQUAM is concerned? I know most of the HD units that > do in > > fact decode CQUAM do not advertise that fact. Maybe > Kevin > > would know about this? Well what do you folks think > about > > this unit? I rather like its looks. > >=20 > > -Kevin (ClemsonBloke) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 07 21:19:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30934 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 04:19:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 04:19:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 04:19:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73322 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 04:19:44 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:19:44 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 04:19:44 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080807.210212.22786.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <761162.73066.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=tF94HPA8sN3VWt-FFOqfX5lPWQqoRQMNh3ZRYd-nFeXcn3cXVQhu X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Read the whole thing, he's pretty much saying Iraq did have something to do= with 9 11.=A0 He was being sarcastic.=A0 Wear your glasses pops. =A0 --- On Fri, 8/8/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 12:02 AM Good grief! Can't you read? He said: "I have yet to meet ANYONE who says Ir= aq had anything to do with it." Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: Saddam was terrible but he had nothing to do with 9 11. You are grossly mis= informed sir.=20 --- On Thu, 8/7/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net wro= te: From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 8:59 PM Iraq hasn't had much of a working infrastructure since Clinton bombed them = back in the 90s. They do now under Bush. Afghanistan is starting to develop= infrastructure for the first time in its history. As for your idiotic comment about Iraq not having anything to do with 9/11,= the only ones who keep repeating this are the political left. I have yet t= o meet ANYONE who says Iraq had anything to do with it. You're incessant re= peating of this bilge won't make it anymore true. Plans to go after Saddam = date back to at least 1998. 9/11 was merely a catalyst that said maybe we s= hould finally do something about him. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Yeah and what about nation building schemes? Wait I doubt anyone understand= s what that even is. Well let me tell you. What they do is go in and claim = someone did this or that to us and destroy their country. They then send th= ese companies over there to rebuild what was torn up. Thats huge business a= nd these companies make billions. Plain and simple. Go in and tear someones= back yard up just to make billions off rebuilding them. Iraq had nothing t= o do with september 11....afghanistan was where the problem was. If people = don't know that then they are complete uninformed idiots. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 07 21:21:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91242 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 04:21:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 04:21:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 04:21:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 59201 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 04:21:48 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:21:48 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 04:21:48 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <52203.16365.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <738042.58891.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: RE: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=gPw3F4hCJuVbyoLDdfRiZ99FboZDLC2tUAP9PRhxBcNtbp_E8P9a X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Damn straight!=A0 Those traitors! =A0 =A0 --- On Fri, 8/8/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: RE: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 12:18 AM Oh, you must be referring to Dick Halliburton Chaney, master puppeteer pull= ing the strings of George Outsourcing Bush! --- On Fri, 8/8/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: RE: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 12:13 AM > Thanks Juan, lol! >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, J Gualda Q Media > wrote: >=20 > From: J Gualda Q Media > Subject: RE: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:01 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:amstereofor um@ yahoogroups. com] > On Behalf Of scottn0bst@usfamily .net > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:00 PM > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio >=20 > "I have yet to meet ANYONE who says Iraq had anything > to do with it".=20 >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > Oh boy ! >=20 > I have stayed out of this mess, until this ignorant comment > about 9/11 and > Iraq. >=20 > Let me start with the first one that comes to mind, and > until recently still > repeated this retarded mantra.Our beloved Dick Cheney. >=20 > I can fill this page with quotes, but anyone with Internet > and a half a > brain can search for themselves. I guess it's a case of > repeat something > enough, and they will believe it. >=20 > Do you listen to any media besides Fox or the Right wing > blowhards ? >=20 > My God...NOW I know why the Right leaning talk shows do so > well..It all > makes sense now. >=20 > Juan >=20 > Fox....we report, YOU decide >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 21:26:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45751 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 04:26:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 04:26:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web31914.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.94) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 04:26:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 77612 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 04:26:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yMeQimoVM1ksokpzy8w9PLStRN4hyBOX.WavJirZ5_wT4ckbDuVt_WIKHx.hQNl704PFApv6yXMGNdU7uhuEY0u1SD63Kjanm41xaSne7r7sx_A.TIneJAp_QohT3NbuI8GxtyBJtktLFSsPY2wB.YGTwIA6hg-- X-Received: from [118.90.121.45] by web31914.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:26:07 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:26:07 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1218164524.3660.53825.m46@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <188777.76454.qm@web31914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:5:0:0:0 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 2769 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915; y=MwPSfzftW_URofF_j137Vnmgo_v4Ttyhyh0gx5_Ty_RlyylhZg X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah we have real nasty Pollies here too like the Torys of the National Par= ty They come on our radio and want to sell everything off,Guess in America = you must have your Tory Pollys as well. =20=20=20 =20=20 amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: The AM STEREO Forum=20 Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 1.1.=20=20=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM From: Phil=20=20=20 1.2.=20=20=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM From: Powell E. Way III = =20 1.3.=20=20=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM From: george russell = =20 1.4.=20=20=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM From: george russell = =20 1.5.=20=20=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM From: scottn0bst@usfamily.= net=20=20=20=20=20 2a.=20=20=20 Re: New Small Town Radio From: W6YN Don Milbury=20=20=20 2b.=20=20=20 Re: New Small Town Radio From: george russell=20=20=20 2c.=20=20=20 Re: New Small Town Radio From: clemsonbloke=20=20=20 2d.=20=20=20 Re: New Small Town Radio From: clemsonbloke=20=20=20=20=20 3.1.=20=20=20 Re: small town radio From: george russell=20=20=20 3.2.=20=20=20 Re: small town radio From: clemsonbloke=20=20=20 3.3.=20=20=20 Re: small town radio From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net=20=20=20 3.4.=20=20=20 Re: small town radio From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net=20=20=20 3.5.=20=20=20 Re: small town radio From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net=20=20=20 3.6.=20=20=20 Re: small town radio From: W6YN Don Milbury=20=20=20 3.7.=20=20=20 Re: small town radio From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net=20=20=20 3.8.=20=20=20 Re: small town radio From: george russell=20=20=20 3.9.=20=20=20 Re: small town radio From: J Gualda Q Media=20=20=20=20=20 4a.=20=20=20 Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? From: John P.=20=20=20 4b.=20=20=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? From: Powell E. Way III= =20=20=20 4c.=20=20=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? From: clemsonbloke = =20 4d.=20=20=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? From: Norbert 26 = =20 4e.=20=20=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? From: clemsonbloke = =20 4f.=20=20=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? From: Powell E. Way III= =20=20=20=20=20 5.=20=20=20 RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo From: scottn0bs= t@usfamily.net=20 View All Topics | Create New Topic=20 Messages=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 1.1.=20=20=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM Posted by: "Phil" tube= sareking@yahoo.ca tubesareking Thu Aug 7, 2008 5:25 am (PDT) Since we= are WAY off topic anyway, I might as well chime in :) Most Canadians do like most Americans. We are more comfortable and=20 assertive of our independence - less touchy, more confident than we=20 used to be. Carbonated beveridges are pop, not soda. Centre is=20 spelled centre, not center. Its Zed, not Zee. LOL. Our economy is less=20 dependent on the USA than it used to be, that helps too. The internet=20 and free trade helps too. The old image of loud mouth American=20 tourists arriving with skis on their roof racks in mid July has been=20 shattered. With my ebay buying and internet groups etc. I have been left with a=20 pretty good impression of the American people. I also, through some=20 online dealings, have an extremely positive impression of "radio=20 people" from Italy. I also have a very positive impression of Chinese and Japanese people,=20 as we have many visitors to PEI from those countries. And, quite a few=20 immigrants from China too. They come accross as very nice and very=20 enthusistic people. Every time some neat new radio loaded with=20 features and with good performance at a great price comes out of China=20 I think to myself how nice it is that manufacturers are making=20 affordable stuff for us radio nuts. As for the American government, most Canadians do not have a good=20 impression of many of the past US presidents. We did not like Nixon,=20 and our prime minister at the time, Pierre Trudeau, knew how to deal=20 with him. Carter was, and still is, well liked. We had mixed feeling=20 about Reagan - we were scared about him because we saw him as so right=20 wing, yet we found him folksy and down to earth - and our prime=20 minister at the time, Brian Mulroney [for all Mulroney's faults] seemed=20 to bring out the best in Ronald Reagan. Bill Clinton generally made a=20 good impression, and we felt that his personal weaknesses were a matter=20 relevant between him and Hillary. George Bush the first was viewed in=20 much higher regard than George W.=20 Our current prime minister, Stephen Harper, is kind of an interesting=20 cat. His normal inclination is pretty right wing. But, since he heads=20 a minority government, his government actually has been pretty=20 centrist. He is pro defense, and I like that - as he is putting much=20 needed funds into the military. He runs a tight ship financially, as=20 did Martin and Chretien before him, with year after year of budget=20 surpluses. He is a bit wooden, some say boring. But public office=20 seems to have guided him toward the Canadian centre. Needless to say, the upcoming US election is pretty interesting. We=20 perceive McCain as pretty moderate for a Republican, although every=20 time I hear his name I still think of frozen french fries and frozen=20 pizzas, due to the New Brunswick based frozen food Canadian multi- national corporation that happens to share his name. Obama intrigues=20 us - so different - perhaps so visionary and progressive. Plus, we may have an election this Fall if the Harper government=20 falls. Right now Harper is hoping Stephan Dion will force an=20 election. I think Harper figures that Dion's Carbon Tax idea will=20 backfire. The thought of heading into winter with an extra tax placed=20 on home heating oil may give Harper a majority. Dumb idea that some=20 aspects of his carbon tax is, there is still something likeable about=20 Dion. Sort of an egg-head academic that is folksy and likeable - like=20 the seemingly ivory tower college prof that was kind and helpful to his=20 students. As for Jack Layton - he is no Ed Broadbent. Ed was, and still is, a=20 great guy. As is Joe Clark. Elizabeth May is a great person who I admire greatly, but I don't think=20 the Green Party is going to get anywhere! Phil Rafuse Stratford PEI Canada Phil --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > >=20 > > Maybe it would be better explained the world doesn't hate us, the=20 > > world's leftists hate us. >=20 > Scott, you have said some pretty close to ignorant things but this=20 > one is probably the top. >=20 > I do not know how well traveled you are. I have been all over the=20 > earth and I can say that most of the nations of the world really=20 > don't like us. Even Canada doesn't like us all that much. >=20 > Kevin > Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (169)=20 =20=20 1.2.=20=20=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM Posted by: "Powell E. = Way III" w4opw@yahoo.com W4OPW Thu Aug 7, 2008 7:58 am (PDT) They lov= e our money P NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 8/6/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 10:33 PM > And China is very leftist. Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (169)=20 =20=20 1.3.=20=20=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM Posted by: "george rus= sell" wlx1430@yahoo.com wlx1430 Thu Aug 7, 2008 10:51 am (PDT) Phil, = do you remember a song called "The Americans", spoken by the late great CKL= W newscaster Byron McGregor? Sums it up nicely, I thought. We must all remember, it is a different thing to hate a country than to hat= e it's government! I detested Stalin, but have many beloved Russian friends. I don't care for the situation between us and Mexico, but that doesn't mean= I can't still love my Mexican son more than life itself! "Love the sinner, hate the sin" as they say...G --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Phil wrote: > From: Phil > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 8:25 AM > Since we are WAY off topic anyway, I might as well chime in > :) >=20 > Most Canadians do like most Americans. We are more > comfortable and=20 > assertive of our independence - less touchy, more confident > than we=20 > used to be. Carbonated beveridges are pop, not soda.=20 > Centre is=20 > spelled centre, not center. Its Zed, not Zee. LOL. Our > economy is less=20 > dependent on the USA than it used to be, that helps too.=20 > The internet=20 > and free trade helps too. The old image of loud mouth > American=20 > tourists arriving with skis on their roof racks in mid July > has been=20 > shattered. >=20 > With my ebay buying and internet groups etc. I have been > left with a=20 > pretty good impression of the American people. I also, > through some=20 > online dealings, have an extremely positive impression of > "radio=20 > people" from Italy. >=20 > I also have a very positive impression of Chinese and > Japanese people,=20 > as we have many visitors to PEI from those countries. And, > quite a few=20 > immigrants from China too. They come accross as very nice > and very=20 > enthusistic people. Every time some neat new radio loaded > with=20 > features and with good performance at a great price comes > out of China=20 > I think to myself how nice it is that manufacturers are > making=20 > affordable stuff for us radio nuts. >=20 > As for the American government, most Canadians do not have > a good=20 > impression of many of the past US presidents. We did not > like Nixon,=20 > and our prime minister at the time, Pierre Trudeau, knew > how to deal=20 > with him. Carter was, and still is, well liked. We had > mixed feeling=20 > about Reagan - we were scared about him because we saw him > as so right=20 > wing, yet we found him folksy and down to earth - and our > prime=20 > minister at the time, Brian Mulroney [for all > Mulroney's faults] seemed=20 > to bring out the best in Ronald Reagan. Bill Clinton > generally made a=20 > good impression, and we felt that his personal weaknesses > were a matter=20 > relevant between him and Hillary. George Bush the first was > viewed in=20 > much higher regard than George W.=20 >=20 > Our current prime minister, Stephen Harper, is kind of an > interesting=20 > cat. His normal inclination is pretty right wing. But, > since he heads=20 > a minority government, his government actually has been > pretty=20 > centrist. He is pro defense, and I like that - as he is > putting much=20 > needed funds into the military. He runs a tight ship > financially, as=20 > did Martin and Chretien before him, with year after year of > budget=20 > surpluses. He is a bit wooden, some say boring. But public > office=20 > seems to have guided him toward the Canadian centre. >=20 > Needless to say, the upcoming US election is pretty > interesting. We=20 > perceive McCain as pretty moderate for a Republican, > although every=20 > time I hear his name I still think of frozen french fries > and frozen=20 > pizzas, due to the New Brunswick based frozen food Canadian > multi- > national corporation that happens to share his name. Obama > intrigues=20 > us - so different - perhaps so visionary and progressive. >=20 > Plus, we may have an election this Fall if the Harper > government=20 > falls. Right now Harper is hoping Stephan Dion will force > an=20 > election. I think Harper figures that Dion's Carbon > Tax idea will=20 > backfire. The thought of heading into winter with an extra > tax placed=20 > on home heating oil may give Harper a majority. Dumb idea > that some=20 > aspects of his carbon tax is, there is still something > likeable about=20 > Dion. Sort of an egg-head academic that is folksy and > likeable - like=20 > the seemingly ivory tower college prof that was kind and > helpful to his=20 > students. >=20 > As for Jack Layton - he is no Ed Broadbent. Ed was, and > still is, a=20 > great guy. As is Joe Clark. >=20 > Elizabeth May is a great person who I admire greatly, but I > don't think=20 > the Green Party is going to get anywhere! >=20 > Phil Rafuse > Stratford PEI Canada >=20 > Phil >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding > =20 > wrote: > > > >=20 > > > Maybe it would be better explained the world > doesn't hate us, the=20 > > > world's leftists hate us. > >=20 > > Scott, you have said some pretty close to ignorant > things but this=20 > > one is probably the top. > >=20 > > I do not know how well traveled you are. I have been > all over the=20 > > earth and I can say that most of the nations of the > world really=20 > > don't like us. Even Canada doesn't like us all > that much. > >=20 > > Kevin > > Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (169)=20 =20=20 1.4.=20=20=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM Posted by: "george rus= sell" wlx1430@yahoo.com wlx1430 Thu Aug 7, 2008 10:52 am (PDT) And th= at is why the U.S. dollar is flying so high today? G --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:58 AM > They love our money >=20 > P >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, kevin redding > wrote: >=20 > > From: kevin redding > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it > won't be C-QUAM > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 10:33 PM > > And China is very leftist. Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (169)=20 =20=20 1.5.=20=20=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM Posted by: "scottn0bst= @usfamily.net" scottn0bst@usfamily.net amstereodude Thu Aug 7, 2008 6:0= 2 pm (PDT) I say this more as an observation rather than an insult- Maybe= you're a magnet for malcontents. We've got more people applying for immigr= ation than we can handle, not to mention all the ones who get in anyway fro= m south of the border. We can't be THAT hated. Scott ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kevin redding=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:44 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > Maybe it would be better explained the world doesn't hate us, the=20 > world's leftists hate us. Scott, you have said some pretty close to ignorant things but this=20 one is probably the top. I do not know how well traveled you are. I have been all over the=20 earth and I can say that most of the nations of the world really=20 don't like us. Even Canada doesn't like us all that much. Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG.=20 Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1596 - Release Date: 8/6/08 4:5= 5 PM --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (169)=20 =20=20=20=20 2a.=20=20=20 Re: New Small Town Radio Posted by: "W6YN Don Milbury" w6yn@juno.com= w6yn Thu Aug 7, 2008 10:12 am (PDT) What started all of the hashing = was someone decided it was a good idea to regulate free speech. Free speech= is not allowing the federal government manage political speech on the publ= ic airwaves. Rather than having the government regulate what people can say, we should l= et the market decide what people want to hear. That=92s precisely why the F= airness Doctrine was abandoned, and that=92s why it ought not to be revived= . Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: Alright we've hashed this crap forever and honestly i'm ready for more radi= o talk, this is radio isn't it? We also are straying from the topic of this= forum way too much so I want to bring it back in line. I'd like someone to= adress a recent product. I'd like to hear from one of our resident experts= on this matter. We've all discussed the Sangean HD radio component tuner i= n the past and other models. We all know that the Sangean and that small ra= dio shack radio also decode CQUAM. Sony has recently come out with a compon= ent HD radio tuner. It is the XDR-F1HD and it is an attractive and affordab= le component tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well? Th= at is what i'd like to know. Here is a link to the sony page with this prod= uct: http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId= =3D10551&storeId=3D10151&langId=3D-1&productId=3D8198552921665401984 Does anyone have any information on this product as far as CQUAM is concern= ed? I know most of the HD units that do in fact decode CQUAM do not adverti= se that fact. Maybe Kevin would know about this? Well what do you folks thi= nk about this unit? I rather like its looks. -Kevin (ClemsonBloke) Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (5)=20 =20=20 2b.=20=20=20 Re: New Small Town Radio Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo.c= om wlx1430 Thu Aug 7, 2008 10:57 am (PDT) I kinda see your point, Don= , but how much of it is really free, anyway? Last time I checked, air-time is NOT cheap! That aside, it is only natural = human nature for a station to allow more time from those they agree with. M= aybe the answer is to go back to the ownership limitations? Bye-Bye, Cheap Channel!!! (and along with it, the anti-C-QUAM and anti-high= -fidelity attitudes they so cherish!) George --- On Thu, 8/7/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:10 PM > What started all of the hashing was someone decided it was a > good idea to regulate free speech. Free speech is not > allowing the federal government manage political speech on > the public airwaves. > Rather than having the government regulate what people can > say, we should let the market decide what people want to > hear. That=B4s precisely why the Fairness Doctrine was > abandoned, and that=B4s why it ought not to be revived. >=20 > Don >=20 > -- clemsonbloke wrote: > Alright we've hashed this crap forever and honestly > i'm ready for more radio talk, this is radio isn't > it? We also are straying from the topic of this forum way > too much so I want to bring it back in line. I'd like > someone to adress a recent product. I'd like to hear > from one of our resident experts on this matter. We've > all discussed the Sangean HD radio component tuner in the > past and other models. We all know that the Sangean and > that small radio shack radio also decode CQUAM. Sony has > recently come out with a component HD radio tuner. It is > the XDR-F1HD and it is an attractive and affordable > component tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes > CQUAM as well? That is what i'd like to know. Here is > a link to the sony page with this product: >=20 > http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalog= Id=3D10551&storeId=3D10151&langId=3D-1&productId=3D8198552921665401984 >=20 > Does anyone have any information on this product as far as > CQUAM is concerned? I know most of the HD units that do in > fact decode CQUAM do not advertise that fact. Maybe Kevin > would know about this? Well what do you folks think about > this unit? I rather like its looks. >=20 > -Kevin (ClemsonBloke) Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (5)=20 =20=20 2c.=20=20=20 Re: New Small Town Radio Posted by: "clemsonbloke" clemsonbloke@yaho= o.co.uk clemsonbloke Thu Aug 7, 2008 12:37 pm (PDT) Don, =20 Thats precisely why it was written, to protect it , so that both sides coul= d be presented. We'll just have to agree to disagree here but as I stated = it is well past time to move on. I believe this has went way off topic and= we need to bring it back to AM Stereo.=20=20 =20 =20 -Kevin =20 --- On Thu, 8/7/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:10 PM What started all of the hashing was someone decided it was a good idea to r= egulate free speech. Free speech is not allowing the federal government man= age political speech on the public airwaves. Rather than having the government regulate what people can say, we should l= et the market decide what people want to hear. That=A2s precisely why the F= airness Doctrine was abandoned, and that=A2s why it ought not to be revived= . Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: Alright we've hashed this crap forever and honestly i'm ready for more radi= o talk, this is radio isn't it? We also are straying from the topic of this= forum way too much so I want to bring it back in line. I'd like someone to= adress a recent product. I'd like to hear from one of our resident experts= on this matter. We've all discussed the Sangean HD radio component tuner i= n the past and other models. We all know that the Sangean and that small ra= dio shack radio also decode CQUAM. Sony has recently come out with a compon= ent HD radio tuner. It is the XDR-F1HD and it is an attractive and affordab= le component tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well? Th= at is what i'd like to know. Here is a link to the sony page with this prod= uct: http://www.sonystyl e.com/webapp/ wcs/stores/ servlet/ProductD isplay?catal= ogId =3D10551&storeId=3D 10151&langId=3D -1&productId=3D 8198552921665401 9= 84 Does anyone have any information on this product as far as CQUAM is concern= ed? I know most of the HD units that do in fact decode CQUAM do not adverti= se that fact. Maybe Kevin would know about this? Well what do you folks thi= nk about this unit? I rather like its looks. -Kevin (ClemsonBloke) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (5)=20 =20=20 2d.=20=20=20 Re: New Small Town Radio Posted by: "clemsonbloke" clemsonbloke@yaho= o.co.uk clemsonbloke Thu Aug 7, 2008 12:57 pm (PDT) I love the "anti-= fidelity" part! Very true today with this MP3 stuff and all. It's got a = lil better on that front but MP3 is still MP3. Maybe we should relate it t= o tape speeds. 3 3/4 ips. versus the fidelity of 7 1/2 ips. Ha! Love tho= se reel to reels! ATR Magnetics is supposed to start manufacturing 1/4" op= en reel tape this year where Ampex/Quantegy left off. Hmm what happend to = WORD 1330, its off and buzzing? Gotta go turn it off. Yeah I still liste= n to it eventhough they are republican only ! Hey I need to hear what they= are saying! Yall be good. =20 --- On Thu, 8/7/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:57 PM I kinda see your point, Don, but how much of it is really free, anyway? Last time I checked, air-time is NOT cheap! That aside, it is only natural = human nature for a station to allow more time from those they agree with. M= aybe the answer is to go back to the ownership limitations? Bye-Bye, Cheap Channel!!! (and along with it, the anti-C-QUAM and anti-high= -fidelity attitudes they so cherish!) George --- On Thu, 8/7/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:10 PM > What started all of the hashing was someone decided it was a > good idea to regulate free speech. Free speech is not > allowing the federal government manage political speech on > the public airwaves. > Rather than having the government regulate what people can > say, we should let the market decide what people want to > hear. That=A2s precisely why the Fairness Doctrine was > abandoned, and that=A2s why it ought not to be revived. >=20 > Don >=20 > -- clemsonbloke wrote: > Alright we've hashed this crap forever and honestly > i'm ready for more radio talk, this is radio isn't > it? We also are straying from the topic of this forum way > too much so I want to bring it back in line. I'd like > someone to adress a recent product. I'd like to hear > from one of our resident experts on this matter. We've > all discussed the Sangean HD radio component tuner in the > past and other models. We all know that the Sangean and > that small radio shack radio also decode CQUAM. Sony has > recently come out with a component HD radio tuner. It is > the XDR-F1HD and it is an attractive and affordable > component tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes > CQUAM as well? That is what i'd like to know. Here is > a link to the sony page with this product: >=20 > http://www.sonystyl e.com/webapp/ wcs/stores/ servlet/ProductD isplay?cat= alogId =3D10551&storeId=3D 10151&langId=3D -1&productId=3D 8198552921665401= 984 >=20 > Does anyone have any information on this product as far as > CQUAM is concerned? I know most of the HD units that do in > fact decode CQUAM do not advertise that fact. Maybe Kevin > would know about this? Well what do you folks think about > this unit? I rather like its looks. >=20 > -Kevin (ClemsonBloke) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (5)=20 =20=20=20=20 3.1.=20=20=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo.com = wlx1430 Thu Aug 7, 2008 10:33 am (PDT) I've got a good idea (which mea= ns we will probably never see it happen): Why not get rid of the income tax altogether, and tax only goods and servic= es? That way, the rich who just HAVE to have the 12 Mercedes and the gazill= ion room house WILL pay their fair share, while the poorest among us will p= ay only what they can. Leave taxes off of basic needs, such as food and hou= sing. If we do it right, it WILL work! I know at least one state (can't remember which one, north-east area?) has done this with success. I'm sick to death of the excuses for the rich, "but they provide jobs!", RE= ALLY??? Where?!? in Mexico? In China? WHERE? Sure as hell not here in Michigan! Oh,= OK, maybe in the "Service Industry" (what a euphemism!) slaving over a hot= hamburger grill, or sweating their brains out in a factory, for a wage tha= t can barely support one person, let alone a family.=20 That is just OBSCENE! And yet the "religious right" (which is frankly neith= er!) finds it OK...so exploitation and abuse are Christian values? Not in MY Bible!=20 "But we shouldn't tax the rich to feed the poor". Let's hear BOTH sides of = the story! Who's labor, sweat, and blood did they use to GET rich? Whether by hitting it good in the market, inheriting it, or outright exploi= ting it, SOMEBODY got their hands dirty doing the grunt work, or even riski= ng their health or very life...and it damn sure wasn't the rich, as such endeavors are light-years beneath them. I repeat, when somebody well-off, smugly admiring and brown-nosing the righ= t-wing liars, cheaters, thieves loses THEIR job, or THEIR home, THEN I thin= k they will finally see what those on the left figured out a long time ago! "To take more than one needs, if it means somebody else losing out, is wron= g", to paraphrase...Carl Marx? NO! Vladimir Lenin? NO! How about St. Frances of Asisi! (so now you can call me a sissi AND a commi= e pinko!) What we need is what happened in Poland, years back...EVERY working man and= woman (and sadly, child) just NOT SHOW UP FOR WORK! When nobody gets their= trash hauled away, their breakfast served, or there power kept on, then maybe we will appreciate those who the damn snobs keep looking down th= eir despicable plastic noses at! Of course, in this country, Bush, Chaney and Assoc. would just call out the= military, and make us work at gunpoint. And if you think THAT can't happen= in a "free country" (free as long as you can afford it), you better look i= nto the history of coal mining! If what happened in Matawan,=20 West-thank God-Virginia doesn't break your heart, you don't HAVE ONE! Whoever said I had a compassionate heart was right..I have a HUGE PASSION a= nd UNBREAKABLE LOVE for the working American, and God help the plutocrat th= at thinks they can change THAT with ill-informed or outright dishonest right-wing rhetoric! I'm poor, but I'm NOT BLIND or STUPID! And this IS related to AM Stereo...I'll say it over a C-QUAM transmitter wi= th a 15 second delay between channels, so that in case anything is missed, = it can be heard AGAIN!=20 I could go on, but at a b.p. of 180/100 and rising, I better stop... I can't afford a doctor if I "blow a gasket"... G --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:40 AM > Don, >=20=20 > Thats not even practical thought. If the taxpayers (which > are every single american) dont pay off the debt who will?=20 > You misunderstand what this country is about then if you > think we shouldn't pay our fair share. Yes I think > taxes are high and higher than should be but its the middle > class that pays the brunt of taxes, not the rich. We all > though own this country and we all have to do our part.=20 > Therefore we all must pay the debt off and I am for paying > the debt off. Why sir should we be indebted to China and > keep borrowing money we don't have? As I said I dont > claim one side. I can see BS on both sides. The debt > though needs to be paid down. We need to get away from any > dependence on other countries. We also need to bring back > our own manufacturing. American Made used to be a thing of > pride. What is made in America anymore? We don't > like taxes but we are all stewards of this country and we > must pay our part no matter how > unfair it may be. It's our civic duty. It all > depends on perspective. Now income taxes are one thing and > I think all that needs overhauling. The whole tax code > should be scrapped and designed as a fair system across the > board. Yes that should be done. At the end of the day > though it still comes down to the fact we are all stewards > of this place and we have to pay our part. Whether or not > you think its wrong or right. >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: >=20 > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:36 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > One doesn't have to look far to find vocal liberals in > the news media. Unbiased media seems to be difficult to > find: >=20 > Let's see ... >=20 > ABC's Claire Shipman says the taxpayers, not the > politicians, should sacrifice to close the budget deficit: > "If every American were to pitch in $2,000, we could > pay off this year's deficit. ... Or, if we handed over, > each of us, 500 gallons of gasoline or, in terms we could > all really understand, if every American gave up 666 lattes > for a year, we could pay off this year's deficit." >=20 > Dan Rather predicts Big Oil will try to manipulate the > election for John McCain: "The people who can affect > the price of oil would prefer a Republican presidential > candidate. Watch the price of oil. If it goes down, which it > may very well, it could help John McCain quite a bit." >=20 > The Associated Press swoons: "It's not only > Obama's youth, eloquence and energy that have stolen > hearts across the Atlantic. Obama has raised expectations of > a chance for the nation to redeem itself in the role that > Europe has loved, respected and relied upon." >=20 > CBS's Mark Phillips melts in Berlin: "The > 200,000-plus crowd confirmed his rock star status, and his > more cooperative sounding rhetoric was what the crowd wanted > to hear." >=20 > Alessandra Stanley of the New York Times rejects charges of > pro-Obama bias with this doozy: "Mr. Obama's > weeklong tour of war zones and foreign capitals is > noteworthy because it is so unusual to see a presidential > candidate act so presidential overseas." >=20 > On "Meet the Press," NBC's Tom Brokaw prods > Al Gore: "How can you, given the passion that you feel > about this issue, turn down the idea that you could be in > the administration as a vice president or as an energy czar > or as both?" >=20 > With a straight face, retiring New York Times reporter > Linda Greenhouse claims, "President Clinton played to > the center, not the left, in selecting Ruth Bader Ginsburg > and Stephen G. Breyer." >=20 > NBC labels the late Jesse Helms an "outspoken > ultra-rightist, " but waxed about Howard Metzenbaum as > a "populist" who "always fought for the > little guy." >=20 > NBC's Matt Lauer presses Barack Obama -- as not liberal > enough, quoting hotheads at the New York Times: "Sen. > Obama is not just tacking gently toward the center. He's > lurching right when it suits him, he's zigging with the > kind of reckless abandon that's guaranteed to cause > disillusion, if not whiplash." >=20 > New polls from battleground states delight MSNBC's > Chris Matthews: "I'm thrilled with this. > Obama's strength in the Northeast, the West Coast and > the Great Lakes." >=20 > CBS's Katie Couric sees bias now: "However you > feel about her politics, I feel that Sen. Clinton received > some of the most unfair, hostile coverage I've ever > seen." >=20 > And Time's former Washington Bureau Chief Margaret > Carlson pens, "If there's anything we need to > rescue us from the last eight years, it's brains, good > judgment and experience. Obama has the first two. Gore has > all three." >=20 > NBC's Lee Cowan waxes, "In victory and in defeat > Michelle Obama had always been there, dressed as brightly as > her husband's smile." ... In reference to John > McCain's wife Cindy, New York Times reporter Alessandra > Stanley writes: "As the Equal Rights Amendment faded as > a cause and conservatism made a comeback, Republican spouses > became ever more careful to stay three steps behind their > men and the times." >=20 > Former ABC reporter Linda Douglass, now an Obama > spokesperson, reveals the obvious: "I have fundamental > differences with John McCain on the issues and always have. > I don't have any problem criticizing John McCain." >=20 > AP reporter Charles Babington cheers: "Obama is > something special, a man who makes difficult tasks look > easy, who seems to touch millions of diverse people with a > message of hope that somehow doesn't sound Pollyannaish. > "
 Conservative columnist Bob Novak tells it > like it is: "I've been covering presidential > campaigns since 1960. I have always said I have never seen > the media as much entranced by a candidate than when they > were in my very first campaign, in 1960, when they were for > JFK. But I'm telling you right now, the enchantment with > Obama beats the JFK syndrome." >=20 > Other than these, Bob, there are no liberals in the news > media - just honest unbiased reporting. >=20 > Don >=20 > --- >=20 > -- clemsonbloke wrote: > Then you are wrong. If you are right then why aren't > you teaching the class? As a matter of fact why aren't > anyone else on here teaching it since you are right? So you > are saying the professors and folks who write the books are > complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What > passes for education? What passes for ignorance on here > amazes me. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net > wrote: >=20 > From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net .net> > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM >=20 > At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just > that. Much of what passes for higher education nowadays is > balderdash, especially in the liberal arts. And I say that > as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, though I > had 95% of everything done by 83. >=20 > Scott > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: clemsonbloke=20 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 >=20 > Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what > I said it was about unless you are saying that my professors > are wrong and that the textbooks are wrong! >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > http://www.usfamily .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 =20=20 3.2.=20=20=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "clemsonbloke" clemsonbloke@yahoo.co= .uk clemsonbloke Thu Aug 7, 2008 12:53 pm (PDT) Well said ! I love t= he "ill say it over CQUAM........." ha! Agreed but you know they all just= loved this character on the stage called Bush. Well has anyone done any r= essearch? I thin not because if they did they'd see he and his family are = goody goody with the Saudi Royal Family. To me, in light of current affair= s, this should be looked at as treason to this country!! Yes it's these big= rich folk who are planning the take over of this country and they've hoodw= inked SOME of these poor people out here into supporting their cause by usi= ng religion and other causes. Do I believe Bush when he says he's this big= christian guy? His actions are not that representative of such if you ask= me. See he sold all these idiots a lie and they bought it. Oh the faith = based this and faith based that. Yeah right it was nothing more than a lie= sold to that segment of people to get a vote. The sad thing is they never even picked = up on it. I heard so many people saying "oh bush is a good christian man" ! Poppycock! If he = was then why didn't he do anything to help the people of Katrina? He was c= aught with his pants down on that one while he stood there and studdered. = No none of these followers on this list will convince me otherwise. If the= y can't see the crimes committed by these people then they are blind. Yeah= and what about nation building schemes? Wait I doubt anyone understands w= hat that even is. Well let me tell you. What they do is go in and claim s= omeone did this or that to us and destroy their country. They then send th= ese companies over there to rebuild what was torn up. Thats huge business = and these companies make billions. Plain and simple. Go in and tear someo= nes back yard up just to make billions off rebuilding them. Iraq had nothi= ng to do with september 11....afghanistan was where the problem was. If pe= ople don't know that then they are complete uninformed idiots. That was the biggest diversion in history. Criminals I= say criminals. I love my country but not what these idiots have turned it= into. Hell I made Eagle Scout (only 2% of all scouts ever make that!) so = I think I know my country and what it should be and I love my country. It'= s just sad to see what a few idiots have done to it and our freedoms. We u= sed to laugh at Russia and their cameras on the streets and how they watche= d and controlled their people. Now we are turning into the same thing. Bo= ttom line is people need to wake up before we lose it all.=20 =20 =20 --- On Thu, 8/7/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:33 PM I've got a good idea (which means we will probably never see it happen): Why not get rid of the income tax altogether, and tax only goods and servic= es? That way, the rich who just HAVE to have the 12 Mercedes and the gazill= ion room house WILL pay their fair share, while the poorest among us will p= ay only what they can. Leave taxes off of basic needs, such as food and hou= sing. If we do it right, it WILL work! I know at least one state (can't remember which one, north-east area?) has done this with success. I'm sick to death of the excuses for the rich, "but they provide jobs!", RE= ALLY??? Where?!? in Mexico? In China? WHERE? Sure as hell not here in Michigan! Oh,= OK, maybe in the "Service Industry" (what a euphemism!) slaving over a hot= hamburger grill, or sweating their brains out in a factory, for a wage tha= t can barely support one person, let alone a family.=20 That is just OBSCENE! And yet the "religious right" (which is frankly neith= er!) finds it OK...so exploitation and abuse are Christian values? Not in MY Bible!=20 "But we shouldn't tax the rich to feed the poor". Let's hear BOTH sides of = the story! Who's labor, sweat, and blood did they use to GET rich? Whether by hitting it good in the market, inheriting it, or outright exploi= ting it, SOMEBODY got their hands dirty doing the grunt work, or even riski= ng their health or very life...and it damn sure wasn't the rich, as such endeavors are light-years beneath them. I repeat, when somebody well-off, smugly admiring and brown-nosing the righ= t-wing liars, cheaters, thieves loses THEIR job, or THEIR home, THEN I thin= k they will finally see what those on the left figured out a long time ago! "To take more than one needs, if it means somebody else losing out, is wron= g", to paraphrase.. .Carl Marx? NO! Vladimir Lenin? NO! How about St. Frances of Asisi! (so now you can call me a sissi AND a commi= e pinko!) What we need is what happened in Poland, years back...EVERY working man and= woman (and sadly, child) just NOT SHOW UP FOR WORK! When nobody gets their= trash hauled away, their breakfast served, or there power kept on, then maybe we will appreciate those who the damn snobs keep looking down th= eir despicable plastic noses at! Of course, in this country, Bush, Chaney and Assoc. would just call out the= military, and make us work at gunpoint. And if you think THAT can't happen= in a "free country" (free as long as you can afford it), you better look i= nto the history of coal mining! If what happened in Matawan,=20 West-thank God-Virginia doesn't break your heart, you don't HAVE ONE! Whoever said I had a compassionate heart was right..I have a HUGE PASSION a= nd UNBREAKABLE LOVE for the working American, and God help the plutocrat th= at thinks they can change THAT with ill-informed or outright dishonest right-wing rhetoric! I'm poor, but I'm NOT BLIND or STUPID! And this IS related to AM Stereo...I'll say it over a C-QUAM transmitter wi= th a 15 second delay between channels, so that in case anything is missed, = it can be heard AGAIN!=20 I could go on, but at a b.p. of 180/100 and rising, I better stop... I can't afford a doctor if I "blow a gasket"... G --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:40 AM > Don, >=20=20 > Thats not even practical thought. If the taxpayers (which > are every single american) dont pay off the debt who will?=20 > You misunderstand what this country is about then if you > think we shouldn't pay our fair share. Yes I think > taxes are high and higher than should be but its the middle > class that pays the brunt of taxes, not the rich. We all > though own this country and we all have to do our part.=20 > Therefore we all must pay the debt off and I am for paying > the debt off. Why sir should we be indebted to China and > keep borrowing money we don't have? As I said I dont > claim one side. I can see BS on both sides. The debt > though needs to be paid down. We need to get away from any > dependence on other countries. We also need to bring back > our own manufacturing. American Made used to be a thing of > pride. What is made in America anymore? We don't > like taxes but we are all stewards of this country and we > must pay our part no matter how > unfair it may be. It's our civic duty. It all > depends on perspective. Now income taxes are one thing and > I think all that needs overhauling. The whole tax code > should be scrapped and designed as a fair system across the > board. Yes that should be done. At the end of the day > though it still comes down to the fact we are all stewards > of this place and we have to pay our part. Whether or not > you think its wrong or right. >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: >=20 > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:36 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > One doesn't have to look far to find vocal liberals in > the news media. Unbiased media seems to be difficult to > find: >=20 > Let's see ... >=20 > ABC's Claire Shipman says the taxpayers, not the > politicians, should sacrifice to close the budget deficit: > "If every American were to pitch in $2,000, we could > pay off this year's deficit. ... Or, if we handed over, > each of us, 500 gallons of gasoline or, in terms we could > all really understand, if every American gave up 666 lattes > for a year, we could pay off this year's deficit." >=20 > Dan Rather predicts Big Oil will try to manipulate the > election for John McCain: "The people who can affect > the price of oil would prefer a Republican presidential > candidate. Watch the price of oil. If it goes down, which it > may very well, it could help John McCain quite a bit." >=20 > The Associated Press swoons: "It's not only > Obama's youth, eloquence and energy that have stolen > hearts across the Atlantic. Obama has raised expectations of > a chance for the nation to redeem itself in the role that > Europe has loved, respected and relied upon." >=20 > CBS's Mark Phillips melts in Berlin: "The > 200,000-plus crowd confirmed his rock star status, and his > more cooperative sounding rhetoric was what the crowd wanted > to hear." >=20 > Alessandra Stanley of the New York Times rejects charges of > pro-Obama bias with this doozy: "Mr. Obama's > weeklong tour of war zones and foreign capitals is > noteworthy because it is so unusual to see a presidential > candidate act so presidential overseas." >=20 > On "Meet the Press," NBC's Tom Brokaw prods > Al Gore: "How can you, given the passion that you feel > about this issue, turn down the idea that you could be in > the administration as a vice president or as an energy czar > or as both?" >=20 > With a straight face, retiring New York Times reporter > Linda Greenhouse claims, "President Clinton played to > the center, not the left, in selecting Ruth Bader Ginsburg > and Stephen G. Breyer." >=20 > NBC labels the late Jesse Helms an "outspoken > ultra-rightist, " but waxed about Howard Metzenbaum as > a "populist" who "always fought for the > little guy." >=20 > NBC's Matt Lauer presses Barack Obama -- as not liberal > enough, quoting hotheads at the New York Times: "Sen. > Obama is not just tacking gently toward the center. He's > lurching right when it suits him, he's zigging with the > kind of reckless abandon that's guaranteed to cause > disillusion, if not whiplash." >=20 > New polls from battleground states delight MSNBC's > Chris Matthews: "I'm thrilled with this. > Obama's strength in the Northeast, the West Coast and > the Great Lakes." >=20 > CBS's Katie Couric sees bias now: "However you > feel about her politics, I feel that Sen. Clinton received > some of the most unfair, hostile coverage I've ever > seen." >=20 > And Time's former Washington Bureau Chief Margaret > Carlson pens, "If there's anything we need to > rescue us from the last eight years, it's brains, good > judgment and experience. Obama has the first two. Gore has > all three." >=20 > NBC's Lee Cowan waxes, "In victory and in defeat > Michelle Obama had always been there, dressed as brightly as > her husband's smile." ... In reference to John > McCain's wife Cindy, New York Times reporter Alessandra > Stanley writes: "As the Equal Rights Amendment faded as > a cause and conservatism made a comeback, Republican spouses > became ever more careful to stay three steps behind their > men and the times." >=20 > Former ABC reporter Linda Douglass, now an Obama > spokesperson, reveals the obvious: "I have fundamental > differences with John McCain on the issues and always have. > I don't have any problem criticizing John McCain." >=20 > AP reporter Charles Babington cheers: "Obama is > something special, a man who makes difficult tasks look > easy, who seems to touch millions of diverse people with a > message of hope that somehow doesn't sound Pollyannaish. > "
 Conservative columnist Bob Novak tells it > like it is: "I've been covering presidential > campaigns since 1960. I have always said I have never seen > the media as much entranced by a candidate than when they > were in my very first campaign, in 1960, when they were for > JFK. But I'm telling you right now, the enchantment with > Obama beats the JFK syndrome." >=20 > Other than these, Bob, there are no liberals in the news > media - just honest unbiased reporting. >=20 > Don >=20 > --- >=20 > -- clemsonbloke wrote: > Then you are wrong. If you are right then why aren't > you teaching the class? As a matter of fact why aren't > anyone else on here teaching it since you are right? So you > are saying the professors and folks who write the books are > complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What > passes for education? What passes for ignorance on here > amazes me. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net > wrote: >=20 > From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net .net> > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM >=20 > At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just > that. Much of what passes for higher education nowadays is > balderdash, especially in the liberal arts. And I say that > as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, though I > had 95% of everything done by 83. >=20 > Scott > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: clemsonbloke=20 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 >=20 > Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what > I said it was about unless you are saying that my professors > are wrong and that the textbooks are wrong! >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > http://www.usfamily .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 =20=20 3.3.=20=20=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "scottn0bst@usfamily.net" scottn0bst= @usfamily.net amstereodude Thu Aug 7, 2008 5:47 pm (PDT) If teaching = were my gift I'd have turned you guys around a long time ago. Textbook writ= ers and the academics who use them have an agenda. They hate so-called "rig= ht wing hate radio" as much as you do, hence they want to silence it.=20 Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio Then you are wrong. If you are right then why aren't you teaching the class= ? As a matter of fact why aren't anyone else on here teaching it since you = are right? So you are saying the professors and folks who write the books a= re complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What passes for educat= ion? What passes for ignorance on here amazes me. --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote= : From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just that. Much of what p= asses for higher education nowadays is balderdash, especially in the libera= l arts. And I say that as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, tho= ugh I had 95% of everything done by 83. Scott ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what I said it was a= bout unless you are saying that my professors are wrong and that the textbo= oks are wrong! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG.=20 Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1596 - Release Date: 8/6/08 4:5= 5 PM --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 =20=20 3.4.=20=20=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "scottn0bst@usfamily.net" scottn0bst= @usfamily.net amstereodude Thu Aug 7, 2008 5:51 pm (PDT) Ultimately t= hat's true, but why is it up to us to finance ever growing government progr= ams and so-called investments? Why can't the politicians spend less? And I = mean ALL political parties when I say that. Scott ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 If the taxpayers (which are every single american) dont pay off the debt wh= o will?=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 =20=20 3.5.=20=20=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "scottn0bst@usfamily.net" scottn0bst= @usfamily.net amstereodude Thu Aug 7, 2008 6:00 pm (PDT) Iraq hasn't = had much of a working infrastructure since Clinton bombed them back in the = 90s. They do now under Bush. Afghanistan is starting to develop infrastruct= ure for the first time in its history. As for your idiotic comment about Iraq not having anything to do with 9/11,= the only ones who keep repeating this are the political left. I have yet t= o meet ANYONE who says Iraq had anything to do with it. You're incessant re= peating of this bilge won't make it anymore true. Plans to go after Saddam = date back to at least 1998. 9/11 was merely a catalyst that said maybe we s= hould finally do something about him. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Yeah and what about nation building schemes? Wait I doubt anyone understand= s what that even is. Well let me tell you. What they do is go in and claim = someone did this or that to us and destroy their country. They then send th= ese companies over there to rebuild what was torn up. Thats huge business a= nd these companies make billions. Plain and simple. Go in and tear someones= back yard up just to make billions off rebuilding them. Iraq had nothing t= o do with september 11....afghanistan was where the problem was. If people = don't know that then they are complete uninformed idiots. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 =20=20 3.6.=20=20=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "W6YN Don Milbury" w6yn@juno.com w= 6yn Thu Aug 7, 2008 6:34 pm (PDT) You seem to be a very bitter Marxist.= Your Governess as good news for you: Governess Says Invest Michigan! will Grow State Pension Fund, Invest in Mic= higan Businesses, Create Jobs Contact: Liz Boyd 517-335-6397 Radio Address outlines plan to build Michigan's economic future LANSING - In her weekly radio address, Governor Jennifer M. Granholm today = said her plan to invest $300 million in Michigan-based companies will grow = the state pension fund and create jobs. "This week, we moved forward on another of our plans to grow business and c= reate jobs by announcing Invest Michigan! - a fund that will use $300 milli= on, a large amount of capital but a small portion of our state pension fund= , to invest in businesses that create the jobs we need in Michigan," Granho= lm said. The 21st Century Jobs Fund and the Venture Michigan Fund are investing hund= reds of millions of dollars focused on Michigan companies at the critical e= arly-growth state. Until this point, however, there has not been enough fun= ding available for later-stage capital needs. "Invest Michigan! will use state pension funds to help diversify Michigan's= economy by retaining, attracting, and building successful small and mid-si= zed businesses and creating jobs for Michigan workers," Granholm said. "The= se investments in Michigan-based companies, in turn, will grow our pension = funds. Invest Michigan! is a program that will put Michigan money to work b= uilding Michigan's economic future." The governor's weekly radio address is released each Friday morning and may= be heard on broadcast stations across the state. The address is available = on the governor's Web site at (www.michigan.gov/gov) for download, together= with a clip of the quote above. The radio address is also available as a p= odcast on the Web site, as well as on iTunes and via RSS feed for general d= istribution to personal MP3 players and home computers.=20 -- george russell wrote: I've got a good idea (which means we will probably never see it happen): Why not get rid of the income tax altogether, and tax only goods and servic= es? That way, the rich who just HAVE to have the 12 Mercedes and the gazill= ion room house WILL pay their fair share, while the poorest among us will p= ay only what they can. Leave taxes off of basic needs, such as food and hou= sing. If we do it right, it WILL work! I know at least one state (can't remember which one, north-east area?) has done this with success. I'm sick to death of the excuses for the rich, "but they provide jobs!", RE= ALLY??? Where?!? in Mexico? In China? WHERE? Sure as hell not here in Michigan! Oh,= OK, maybe in the "Service Industry" (what a euphemism!) slaving over a hot= hamburger grill, or sweating their brains out in a factory, for a wage tha= t can barely support one person, let alone a family.=20 That is just OBSCENE! And yet the "religious right" (which is frankly neith= er!) finds it OK...so exploitation and abuse are Christian values? Not in MY Bible!=20 "But we shouldn't tax the rich to feed the poor". Let's hear BOTH sides of = the story! Who's labor, sweat, and blood did they use to GET rich? Whether by hitting it good in the market, inheriting it, or outright exploi= ting it, SOMEBODY got their hands dirty doing the grunt work, or even riski= ng their health or very life...and it damn sure wasn't the rich, as such endeavors are light-years beneath them. I repeat, when somebody well-off, smugly admiring and brown-nosing the righ= t-wing liars, cheaters, thieves loses THEIR job, or THEIR home, THEN I thin= k they will finally see what those on the left figured out a long time ago! "To take more than one needs, if it means somebody else losing out, is wron= g", to paraphrase...Carl Marx? NO! Vladimir Lenin? NO! How about St. Frances of Asisi! (so now you can call me a sissi AND a commi= e pinko!) What we need is what happened in Poland, years back...EVERY working man and= woman (and sadly, child) just NOT SHOW UP FOR WORK! When nobody gets their= trash hauled away, their breakfast served, or there power kept on, then maybe we will appreciate those who the damn snobs keep looking down th= eir despicable plastic noses at! Of course, in this country, Bush, Chaney and Assoc. would just call out the= military, and make us work at gunpoint. And if you think THAT can't happen= in a "free country" (free as long as you can afford it), you better look i= nto the history of coal mining! If what happened in Matawan,=20 West-thank God-Virginia doesn't break your heart, you don't HAVE ONE! Whoever said I had a compassionate heart was right..I have a HUGE PASSION a= nd UNBREAKABLE LOVE for the working American, and God help the plutocrat th= at thinks they can change THAT with ill-informed or outright dishonest right-wing rhetoric! I'm poor, but I'm NOT BLIND or STUPID! And this IS related to AM Stereo...I'll say it over a C-QUAM transmitter wi= th a 15 second delay between channels, so that in case anything is missed, = it can be heard AGAIN!=20 I could go on, but at a b.p. of 180/100 and rising, I better stop... I can't afford a doctor if I "blow a gasket"... G --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:40 AM > Don, >=20 > Thats not even practical thought. If the taxpayers (which > are every single american) dont pay off the debt who will?=20 > You misunderstand what this country is about then if you > think we shouldn't pay our fair share. Yes I think > taxes are high and higher than should be but its the middle > class that pays the brunt of taxes, not the rich. We all > though own this country and we all have to do our part.=20 > Therefore we all must pay the debt off and I am for paying > the debt off. Why sir should we be indebted to China and > keep borrowing money we don't have? As I said I dont > claim one side. I can see BS on both sides. The debt > though needs to be paid down. We need to get away from any > dependence on other countries. We also need to bring back > our own manufacturing. American Made used to be a thing of > pride. What is made in America anymore? We don't > like taxes but we are all stewards of this country and we > must pay our part no matter how > unfair it may be. It's our civic duty. It all > depends on perspective. Now income taxes are one thing and > I think all that needs overhauling. The whole tax code > should be scrapped and designed as a fair system across the > board. Yes that should be done. At the end of the day > though it still comes down to the fact we are all stewards > of this place and we have to pay our part. Whether or not > you think its wrong or right. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: >=20 > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:36 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > One doesn't have to look far to find vocal liberals in > the news media. Unbiased media seems to be difficult to > find: >=20 > Let's see ... >=20 > ABC's Claire Shipman says the taxpayers, not the > politicians, should sacrifice to close the budget deficit: > "If every American were to pitch in $2,000, we could > pay off this year's deficit. ... Or, if we handed over, > each of us, 500 gallons of gasoline or, in terms we could > all really understand, if every American gave up 666 lattes > for a year, we could pay off this year's deficit." >=20 > Dan Rather predicts Big Oil will try to manipulate the > election for John McCain: "The people who can affect > the price of oil would prefer a Republican presidential > candidate. Watch the price of oil. If it goes down, which it > may very well, it could help John McCain quite a bit." >=20 > The Associated Press swoons: "It's not only > Obama's youth, eloquence and energy that have stolen > hearts across the Atlantic. Obama has raised expectations of > a chance for the nation to redeem itself in the role that > Europe has loved, respected and relied upon." >=20 > CBS's Mark Phillips melts in Berlin: "The > 200,000-plus crowd confirmed his rock star status, and his > more cooperative sounding rhetoric was what the crowd wanted > to hear." >=20 > Alessandra Stanley of the New York Times rejects charges of > pro-Obama bias with this doozy: "Mr. Obama's > weeklong tour of war zones and foreign capitals is > noteworthy because it is so unusual to see a presidential > candidate act so presidential overseas." >=20 > On "Meet the Press," NBC's Tom Brokaw prods > Al Gore: "How can you, given the passion that you feel > about this issue, turn down the idea that you could be in > the administration as a vice president or as an energy czar > or as both?" >=20 > With a straight face, retiring New York Times reporter > Linda Greenhouse claims, "President Clinton played to > the center, not the left, in selecting Ruth Bader Ginsburg > and Stephen G. Breyer." >=20 > NBC labels the late Jesse Helms an "outspoken > ultra-rightist, " but waxed about Howard Metzenbaum as > a "populist" who "always fought for the > little guy." >=20 > NBC's Matt Lauer presses Barack Obama -- as not liberal > enough, quoting hotheads at the New York Times: "Sen. > Obama is not just tacking gently toward the center. He's > lurching right when it suits him, he's zigging with the > kind of reckless abandon that's guaranteed to cause > disillusion, if not whiplash." >=20 > New polls from battleground states delight MSNBC's > Chris Matthews: "I'm thrilled with this. > Obama's strength in the Northeast, the West Coast and > the Great Lakes." >=20 > CBS's Katie Couric sees bias now: "However you > feel about her politics, I feel that Sen. Clinton received > some of the most unfair, hostile coverage I've ever > seen." >=20 > And Time's former Washington Bureau Chief Margaret > Carlson pens, "If there's anything we need to > rescue us from the last eight years, it's brains, good > judgment and experience. Obama has the first two. Gore has > all three." >=20 > NBC's Lee Cowan waxes, "In victory and in defeat > Michelle Obama had always been there, dressed as brightly as > her husband's smile." ... In reference to John > McCain's wife Cindy, New York Times reporter Alessandra > Stanley writes: "As the Equal Rights Amendment faded as > a cause and conservatism made a comeback, Republican spouses > became ever more careful to stay three steps behind their > men and the times." >=20 > Former ABC reporter Linda Douglass, now an Obama > spokesperson, reveals the obvious: "I have fundamental > differences with John McCain on the issues and always have. > I don't have any problem criticizing John McCain." >=20 > AP reporter Charles Babington cheers: "Obama is > something special, a man who makes difficult tasks look > easy, who seems to touch millions of diverse people with a > message of hope that somehow doesn't sound Pollyannaish. > "
 Conservative columnist Bob Novak tells it > like it is: "I've been covering presidential > campaigns since 1960. I have always said I have never seen > the media as much entranced by a candidate than when they > were in my very first campaign, in 1960, when they were for > JFK. But I'm telling you right now, the enchantment with > Obama beats the JFK syndrome." >=20 > Other than these, Bob, there are no liberals in the news > media - just honest unbiased reporting. >=20 > Don >=20 > --- >=20 > -- clemsonbloke wrote: > Then you are wrong. If you are right then why aren't > you teaching the class? As a matter of fact why aren't > anyone else on here teaching it since you are right? So you > are saying the professors and folks who write the books are > complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What > passes for education? What passes for ignorance on here > amazes me. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net > wrote: >=20 > From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net .net> > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM >=20 > At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just > that. Much of what passes for higher education nowadays is > balderdash, especially in the liberal arts. And I say that > as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, though I > had 95% of everything done by 83. >=20 > Scott > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: clemsonbloke=20 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 >=20 > Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what > I said it was about unless you are saying that my professors > are wrong and that the textbooks are wrong! >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > http://www.usfamily .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 =20=20 3.7.=20=20=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "scottn0bst@usfamily.net" scottn0bst= @usfamily.net amstereodude Thu Aug 7, 2008 6:35 pm (PDT) Answers inte= rspersed- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 I've got a good idea (which means we will probably never see it happen): Why not get rid of the income tax altogether, and tax only goods and servic= es? That way, the rich who just HAVE to have the 12 Mercedes and the gazill= ion room house WILL pay their fair share, while the poorest among us will p= ay only what they can. Leave taxes off of basic needs, such as food and hou= sing. If we do it right, it WILL work! --We finally agree on something! Not only will it do that, but it'll tap th= e wealth of the underground economy like pimps and drug pushers. I know at least one state (can't remember which one, north-east area?) has done this with success. I'm sick to death of the excuses for the rich, "but they provide jobs!", RE= ALLY??? Where?!? in Mexico? In China? WHERE? Sure as hell not here in Michigan! Oh,= OK, maybe in the "Service Industry" (what a euphemism!) slaving over a hot= hamburger grill, or sweating their brains out in a factory, for a wage tha= t can barely support one person, let alone a family.=20 --Well, MY job for one. Ed Atsinger and Stu Epperson are absolutely brillia= nt business people and I don't feel the least bit exploited. Our advertiser= s are also American workers. If things are as bad in Michigan as you say, a= nd I fully believe it, consider which political party has had near hegemony= for the past several decades. They've priced themselves out of the market.= The cost of goverment adds to the cost of goods and services. So do excess= ive union demands. Believe it or not I say that with a twinge of sadness be= cause I know very well the good they did for the worker in decades gone by.= But they got too big for their breeches and the less expensive imports kic= ked their butts. That is just OBSCENE! And yet the "religious right" (which is frankly neith= er!) finds it OK...so exploitation and abuse are Christian values? --What cartoon book are you reading anyway? Not in MY Bible!=20 When the Bible was being written it wasn't uncommon for the rich not to pay= their workers and the prophets rightly condemned them. Nowadays the rich g= et hammered for problems caused by entirely other factors, but it's just ea= sier to blame "the rich" rather than the government. "But we shouldn't tax the rich to feed the poor". Let's hear BOTH sides of = the story! Who's labor, sweat, and blood did they use to GET rich? Largely their own, if they're people like the inventor of multiband process= ing- Mike Dorrough. The idle rich are people like Ted Kennedy, Al Gore and = John Kerry. BTW, if you want to talk about the rich oppressing the poor, ta= ke a GOOD look at George Soros! This guy has actually bankrupted smaller co= untries to get his wealth, and yet he's a chief financier of the leftist ca= uses near and dear to your heart. As for America's poor, how many are actua= lly addicted to handouts, aka welfare? A good chunk of them, I'd say. A pov= erty of values can cause economic poverty as surely as a stockmarket crash. Whether by hitting it good in the market, inheriting it, or outright exploi= ting it, SOMEBODY got their hands dirty doing the grunt work, or even riski= ng their health or very life...and it damn sure wasn't the rich, as such en= deavors are light-years beneath them. --Rubbish! Not to say it never happens, but the people who've recently beco= me rich often built their empires with their own time and sweat. I repeat, when somebody well-off, smugly admiring and brown-nosing the righ= t-wing liars, cheaters, thieves loses THEIR job, or THEIR home, THEN I thin= k they will finally see what those on the left figured out a long time ago! --Those classified as "the rich" is not a static list. Many rich people hav= e lost it all, including Henry Ford. The guy went broke five times before F= ord Motors took off. "To take more than one needs, if it means somebody else losing out, is wron= g", to paraphrase...Carl Marx? NO! Vladimir Lenin? NO! How about St. Frances of Asisi! (so now you can call me a sissi AND a commi= e pinko!) --Well then, George, you don't really need that computer you're using. You = don't really need an AM stereo radio either if you want to take that argume= nt to its logical conclusion. What we need is what happened in Poland, years back...EVERY working man and= woman (and sadly, child) just NOT SHOW UP FOR WORK! When nobody gets their= trash hauled away, their breakfast served, or there power kept on, then ma= ybe we will appreciate those who the damn snobs keep looking down their des= picable plastic noses at! --In Poland it was the government they were revolting against; the very sam= e type of government Obama will give us if he's elected. Of course the oppr= ession that drove the Poles won't be immediately apparent and it will appea= r to work, at least for a little while. Of course, in this country, Bush, Chaney and Assoc. would just call out the= military, and make us work at gunpoint. And if you think THAT can't happen= in a "free country" (free as long as you can afford it), you better look i= nto the history of coal mining! If what happened in Matawan,=20 West-thank God-Virginia doesn't break your heart, you don't HAVE ONE! --Well, Obama has some unpaid government work planned for kids just out of = high school. Seems you and Clemsonbloke ought to be protesting that. And hi= s civilian security corps and youth work groups- sounds suspiciously like s= omethings out of 1930s Italy and Germany. Whoever said I had a compassionate heart was right..I have a HUGE PASSION a= nd UNBREAKABLE LOVE for the working American, and God help the plutocrat th= at thinks they can change THAT with ill-informed or outright dishonest right-wing rhetoric! I'm poor, but I'm NOT BLIND or STUPID! And this IS related to AM Stereo...I'll say it over a C-QUAM transmitter wi= th a 15 second delay between channels, so that in case anything is missed, = it can be heard AGAIN!=20 --I've got a rant that I'll put in it's own posting about this. I could go on, but at a b.p. of 180/100 and rising, I better stop... I can't afford a doctor if I "blow a gasket"... --keep going... --Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 =20=20 3.8.=20=20=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo.com = wlx1430 Thu Aug 7, 2008 8:01 pm (PDT) Yeah, Eagle is the top of the cr= op! My dad was a scoutmaster, so you can guess I was in it, too. Your right, we have steered a bit away from AM Stereo, but honestly, I have= thoroughly enjoyed your take on things, Kevin. Feel free to "rant" all you like directly to my email address, above. I sense a kindred spirit...a free thinker...not enough of us out there! George --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 3:53 PM > Well said ! I love the "ill say it over > CQUAM........." ha! Agreed but you know they all > just loved this character on the stage called Bush. Well > has anyone done any ressearch? I thin not because if they > did they'd see he and his family are goody goody with > the Saudi Royal Family. To me, in light of current > affairs, this should be looked at as treason to this > country!! Yes it's these big rich folk who are planning > the take over of this country and they've hoodwinked > SOME of these poor people out here into supporting their > cause by using religion and other causes. Do I believe > Bush when he says he's this big christian guy? His > actions are not that representative of such if you ask me.=20 > See he sold all these idiots a lie and they bought it. Oh > the faith based this and faith based that. Yeah right it > was nothing more than a lie sold to that segment of people > to get a vote. The sad thing is they never even picked up > on it. I heard so > many people saying "oh bush is a good christian > man" ! Poppycock! If he was then why didn't > he do anything to help the people of Katrina? He was > caught with his pants down on that one while he stood there > and studdered. No none of these followers on this list > will convince me otherwise. If they can't see the > crimes committed by these people then they are blind. Yeah > and what about nation building schemes? Wait I doubt > anyone understands what that even is. Well let me tell > you. What they do is go in and claim someone did this or > that to us and destroy their country. They then send these > companies over there to rebuild what was torn up. Thats > huge business and these companies make billions. Plain and > simple. Go in and tear someones back yard up just to make > billions off rebuilding them. Iraq had nothing to do with > september 11....afghanistan was where the problem was. If > people don't know that then they are complete > uninformed idiots. That was the biggest diversion in > history. Criminals I say criminals. I love my country > but not what these idiots have turned it into. Hell I made > Eagle Scout (only 2% of all scouts ever make that!) so I > think I know my country and what it should be and I love my > country. It's just sad to see what a few idiots have > done to it and our freedoms. We used to laugh at Russia > and their cameras on the streets and how they watched and > controlled their people. Now we are turning into the same > thing. Bottom line is people need to wake up before we > lose it all.=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, george russell > wrote: >=20 > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:33 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I've got a good idea (which means we will probably > never see it happen): > Why not get rid of the income tax altogether, and tax only > goods and services? That way, the rich who just HAVE to have > the 12 Mercedes and the gazillion room house WILL pay their > fair share, while the poorest among us will pay only what > they can. Leave taxes off of basic needs, such as food and > housing. If we do it right, it WILL work! > I know at least one state (can't remember which one, > north-east area?) > has done this with success. > I'm sick to death of the excuses for the rich, > "but they provide jobs!", REALLY??? > Where?!? in Mexico? In China? WHERE? Sure as hell not here > in Michigan! Oh, OK, maybe in the "Service > Industry" (what a euphemism!) slaving over a hot > hamburger grill, or sweating their brains out in a factory, > for a wage that can barely support one person, let alone a > family.=20 > That is just OBSCENE! And yet the "religious > right" (which is frankly neither!) finds it OK...so > exploitation and abuse are Christian values? > Not in MY Bible!=20 > "But we shouldn't tax the rich to feed the > poor". Let's hear BOTH sides of the story! > Who's labor, sweat, and blood did they use to GET rich? > Whether by hitting it good in the market, inheriting it, or > outright exploiting it, SOMEBODY got their hands dirty doing > the grunt work, or even risking their health or very > life...and it damn sure wasn't the rich, > as such endeavors are light-years beneath them. > I repeat, when somebody well-off, smugly admiring and > brown-nosing the right-wing liars, cheaters, thieves loses > THEIR job, or THEIR home, THEN I think they will finally see > what those on the left figured out a long time ago! > "To take more than one needs, if it means somebody > else losing out, is wrong", to paraphrase.. .Carl Marx? > NO! Vladimir Lenin? NO! > How about St. Frances of Asisi! (so now you can call me a > sissi AND a commie pinko!) > What we need is what happened in Poland, years back...EVERY > working man and woman (and sadly, child) just NOT SHOW UP > FOR WORK! When nobody gets their trash hauled away, their > breakfast served, or there power kept on, > then maybe we will appreciate those who the damn snobs keep > looking down their despicable plastic noses at! > Of course, in this country, Bush, Chaney and Assoc. would > just call out the military, and make us work at gunpoint. > And if you think THAT can't happen in a "free > country" (free as long as you can afford it), you > better look into the history of coal mining! If what > happened in Matawan,=20 > West-thank God-Virginia doesn't break your heart, you > don't HAVE ONE! > Whoever said I had a compassionate heart was right..I have > a HUGE PASSION and UNBREAKABLE LOVE for the working > American, and God help the plutocrat that thinks they can > change THAT with ill-informed or outright dishonest > right-wing rhetoric! I'm poor, but I'm NOT BLIND or > STUPID! > And this IS related to AM Stereo...I'll say it over a > C-QUAM transmitter with a 15 second delay between channels, > so that in case anything is missed, it can be heard AGAIN!=20 > I could go on, but at a b.p. of 180/100 and rising, I > better stop... > I can't afford a doctor if I "blow a > gasket"... > G >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke yahoo.co. uk> wrote: >=20 > > From: clemsonbloke > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:40 AM > > Don, > >=20=20 > > Thats not even practical thought. If the taxpayers > (which > > are every single american) dont pay off the debt who > will?=20 > > You misunderstand what this country is about then if > you > > think we shouldn't pay our fair share. Yes I > think > > taxes are high and higher than should be but its the > middle > > class that pays the brunt of taxes, not the rich. We > all > > though own this country and we all have to do our > part.=20 > > Therefore we all must pay the debt off and I am for > paying > > the debt off. Why sir should we be indebted to China > and > > keep borrowing money we don't have? As I said I > dont > > claim one side. I can see BS on both sides. The > debt > > though needs to be paid down. We need to get away > from any > > dependence on other countries. We also need to bring > back > > our own manufacturing. American Made used to be a > thing of > > pride. What is made in America anymore? We > don't > > like taxes but we are all stewards of this country and > we > > must pay our part no matter how > > unfair it may be. It's our civic duty. It all > > depends on perspective. Now income taxes are one > thing and > > I think all that needs overhauling. The whole tax > code > > should be scrapped and designed as a fair system > across the > > board. Yes that should be done. At the end of the > day > > though it still comes down to the fact we are all > stewards > > of this place and we have to pay our part. Whether > or not > > you think its wrong or right. > >=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, W6YN Don Milbury > > > wrote: > >=20 > > From: W6YN Don Milbury > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:36 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > One doesn't have to look far to find vocal > liberals in > > the news media. Unbiased media seems to be difficult > to > > find: > >=20 > > Let's see ... > >=20 > > ABC's Claire Shipman says the taxpayers, not the > > politicians, should sacrifice to close the budget > deficit: > > "If every American were to pitch in $2,000, we > could > > pay off this year's deficit. ... Or, if we handed > over, > > each of us, 500 gallons of gasoline or, in terms we > could > > all really understand, if every American gave up 666 > lattes > > for a year, we could pay off this year's > deficit." > >=20 > > Dan Rather predicts Big Oil will try to manipulate the > > election for John McCain: "The people who can > affect > > the price of oil would prefer a Republican > presidential > > candidate. Watch the price of oil. If it goes down, > which it > > may very well, it could help John McCain quite a > bit." > >=20 > > The Associated Press swoons: "It's not only > > Obama's youth, eloquence and energy that have > stolen > > hearts across the Atlantic. Obama has raised > expectations of > > a chance for the nation to redeem itself in the role > that > > Europe has loved, respected and relied upon." > >=20 > > CBS's Mark Phillips melts in Berlin: "The > > 200,000-plus crowd confirmed his rock star status, and > his > > more cooperative sounding rhetoric was what the crowd > wanted > > to hear." > >=20 > > Alessandra Stanley of the New York Times rejects > charges of > > pro-Obama bias with this doozy: "Mr. Obama's > > weeklong tour of war zones and foreign capitals is > > noteworthy because it is so unusual to see a > presidential > > candidate act so presidential overseas." > >=20 > > On "Meet the Press," NBC's Tom Brokaw > prods > > Al Gore: "How can you, given the passion that you > feel > > about this issue, turn down the idea that you could be > in > > the administration as a vice president or as an energy > czar > > or as both?" > >=20 > > With a straight face, retiring New York Times reporter > > Linda Greenhouse claims, "President Clinton > played to > > the center, not the left, in selecting Ruth Bader > Ginsburg > > and Stephen G. Breyer." > >=20 > > NBC labels the late Jesse Helms an "outspoken > > ultra-rightist, " but waxed about Howard > Metzenbaum as > > a "populist" who "always fought for the > > little guy." > >=20 > > NBC's Matt Lauer presses Barack Obama -- as not > liberal > > enough, quoting hotheads at the New York Times: > "Sen. > > Obama is not just tacking gently toward the center. > He's > > lurching right when it suits him, he's zigging > with the > > kind of reckless abandon that's guaranteed to > cause > > disillusion, if not whiplash." > >=20 > > New polls from battleground states delight MSNBC's > > Chris Matthews: "I'm thrilled with this. > > Obama's strength in the Northeast, the West Coast > and > > the Great Lakes." > >=20 > > CBS's Katie Couric sees bias now: "However > you > > feel about her politics, I feel that Sen. Clinton > received > > some of the most unfair, hostile coverage I've > ever > > seen." > >=20 > > And Time's former Washington Bureau Chief Margaret > > Carlson pens, "If there's anything we need to > > rescue us from the last eight years, it's brains, > good > > judgment and experience. Obama has the first two. Gore > has > > all three." > >=20 > > NBC's Lee Cowan waxes, "In victory and in > defeat > > Michelle Obama had always been there, dressed as > brightly as > > her husband's smile." ... In reference to > John > > McCain's wife Cindy, New York Times reporter > Alessandra > > Stanley writes: "As the Equal Rights Amendment > faded as > > a cause and conservatism made a comeback, Republican > spouses > > became ever more careful to stay three steps behind > their > > men and the times." > >=20 > > Former ABC reporter Linda Douglass, now an Obama > > spokesperson, reveals the obvious: "I have > fundamental > > differences with John McCain on the issues and always > have. > > I don't have any problem criticizing John > McCain." > >=20 > > AP reporter Charles Babington cheers: "Obama is > > something special, a man who makes difficult tasks > look > > easy, who seems to touch millions of diverse people > with a > > message of hope that somehow doesn't sound > Pollyannaish. > > "
 Conservative columnist Bob Novak > tells it > > like it is: "I've been covering presidential > > campaigns since 1960. I have always said I have never > seen > > the media as much entranced by a candidate than when > they > > were in my very first campaign, in 1960, when they > were for > > JFK. But I'm telling you right now, the > enchantment with > > Obama beats the JFK syndrome." > >=20 > > Other than these, Bob, there are no liberals in the > news > > media - just honest unbiased reporting. > >=20 > > Don > >=20 > > --- > >=20 > > -- clemsonbloke > wrote: > > Then you are wrong. If you are right then why > aren't > > you teaching the class? As a matter of fact why > aren't > > anyone else on here teaching it since you are right? > So you > > are saying the professors and folks who write the > books are > > complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What > > passes for education? What passes for ignorance on > here > > amazes me. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net > > wrote: > >=20 > > From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net usfamily > > .net> > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM > >=20 > > At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just > > that. Much of what passes for higher education > nowadays is > > balderdash, especially in the liberal arts. And I say > that > > as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, > though I > > had 95% of everything done by 83. > >=20 > > Scott > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: clemsonbloke=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 > >=20 > > Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about > what > > I said it was about unless you are saying that my > professors > > are wrong and that the textbooks are wrong! > >=20 > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > > http://www.usfamily .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! > Groups > > Links > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 =20=20 3.9.=20=20=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "J Gualda Q Media" gualdaj@bellsouth= .net iowacane Thu Aug 7, 2008 8:02 pm (PDT)=20=20=20 From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:00 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio "I have yet to meet ANYONE who says Iraq had anything to do with it".=20 Scott Todd Oh boy ! I have stayed out of this mess, until this ignorant comment about 9/11 and Iraq. Let me start with the first one that comes to mind, and until recently stil= l repeated this retarded mantra.Our beloved Dick Cheney. I can fill this page with quotes, but anyone with Internet and a half a brain can search for themselves. I guess it's a case of repeat something enough, and they will believe it. Do you listen to any media besides Fox or the Right wing blowhards ? My God...NOW I know why the Right leaning talk shows do so well..It all makes sense now. Juan Fox....we report, YOU decide [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 =20=20=20=20 4a.=20=20=20 Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? Posted by: "John P." to= ledohamradio@yahoo.com toledohamradio Thu Aug 7, 2008 10:38 am (PDT) = Somebody wrote: "...Sony...XDR-F1HD is an attractive and affordable compone= nt tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well?..." Good question; I'm selling my Visteon HD Jump radio right now as it does no= t decode CQuam (somebody said that their Visteon car radio did though). Despite claims that the Directed Electronics units decode CQuam - that's a = happy thought, as I cannot decode CFCO in stereo, nor playing around adjust= ing my Aspysis CQuam transmitter, can I get AM stereo decoding. Has anybody else tried the Visteon, and can they get it to decode CQuam? The Sangean HD, revised tuner, seems to be the ticket, but it's still over = $200; the Sony would be great if it could, but I'm willing to bet it has a = POS AM tuner with crappy bandwidth but a smokin' hot FM tuner, like most of= the HD's.=20 I've been extremely happy with the FM tuners in the HD radios I've used. Fi= rst adjacent FM channels come back to life that I haven't heard since the 7= 0's!! and the RDS is pretty sweet. They still need a "force to analog" swit= ch though.=20 Could somebody start a new AM-HD-Stereo Station Listing, as it seems that t= here's even less HD-AM-Stereo than there are CQuam AM Stereo! Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (6)=20 =20=20 4b.=20=20=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? Posted by: "Powell = E. Way III" w4opw@yahoo.com W4OPW Thu Aug 7, 2008 10:39 am (PDT) = =20 Don't know about the bandwidth, but it would pick up AM HD that NO OTHER un= it would. The FM is above amazing I have also heard.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (6)=20 =20=20 4c.=20=20=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? Posted by: "clemson= bloke" clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk clemsonbloke Thu Aug 7, 2008 1:00 pm (P= DT) I don't know but i've read a lot of glowing reports over the Sony. I= 've heard it's a better tuner than many others out there. The one thing I = can't seem to find out though is whether it decodes CQUAM. =20 =20 -Kevin --- On Thu, 8/7/08, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:38 PM Somebody wrote: "...Sony...XDR- F1HD is an attractive and affordable compon= ent tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well?..." Good question; I'm selling my Visteon HD Jump radio right now as it does no= t decode CQuam (somebody said that their Visteon car radio did though). Despite claims that the Directed Electronics units decode CQuam - that's a = happy thought, as I cannot decode CFCO in stereo, nor playing around adjust= ing my Aspysis CQuam transmitter, can I get AM stereo decoding. Has anybody else tried the Visteon, and can they get it to decode CQuam? The Sangean HD, revised tuner, seems to be the ticket, but it's still over = $200; the Sony would be great if it could, but I'm willing to bet it has a = POS AM tuner with crappy bandwidth but a smokin' hot FM tuner, like most of= the HD's.=20 I've been extremely happy with the FM tuners in the HD radios I've used. Fi= rst adjacent FM channels come back to life that I haven't heard since the 7= 0's!! and the RDS is pretty sweet. They still need a "force to analog" swit= ch though.=20 Could somebody start a new AM-HD-Stereo Station Listing, as it seems that t= here's even less HD-AM-Stereo than there are CQuam AM Stereo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (6)=20 =20=20 4d.=20=20=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? Posted by: "Norbert= 26" starship_2001@msn.com starship20012001 Thu Aug 7, 2008 2:02 pm (PD= T) it does not decode c-quam=20 http://www.ham-radio.com/k6sti/xdr-f1hd.htm -----Original Message----- From: clemsonbloke Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 4:00 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? I don't know but i've read a lot of glowing reports over the Sony.=EF=BF=BD= I've heard it's a better tuner than many others out there.=EF=BF=BD The on= e thing I can't seem to find out though is whether it decodes CQUAM. =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD -Kevin --- On Thu, 8/7/08, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:38 PM Somebody wrote: "...Sony...XDR- F1HD is an attractive and affordable compon= ent tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well?..." Good question; I'm selling my Visteon HD Jump radio right now as it does no= t decode CQuam (somebody said that their Visteon car radio did though). Despite claims that the Directed Electronics units decode CQuam - that's a = happy thought, as I cannot decode CFCO in stereo, nor playing around adjust= ing my Aspysis CQuam transmitter, can I get AM stereo decoding. Has anybody else tried the Visteon, and can they get it to decode CQuam? The Sangean HD, revised tuner, seems to be the ticket, but it's still over = $200; the Sony would be great if it could, but I'm willing to bet it has a = POS AM tuner with crappy bandwidth but a smokin' hot FM tuner, like most of= the HD's.=20 I've been extremely happy with the FM tuners in the HD radios I've used. Fi= rst adjacent FM channels come back to life that I haven't heard since the 7= 0's!! and the RDS is pretty sweet. They still need a "force to analog" swit= ch though.=20 Could somebody start a new AM-HD-Stereo Station Listing, as it seems that t= here's even less HD-AM-Stereo than there are CQuam AM Stereo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (6)=20 =20=20 4e.=20=20=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? Posted by: "clemson= bloke" clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk clemsonbloke Thu Aug 7, 2008 2:12 pm (P= DT) Well isn't that a shame for an otherwise decent tuner? While we are = on the subject lets pose a question that I rarely ever hear answers to. Ok= so if its inevitable, HD that is, then what about Stereo on AM HD? Now I = understand that AM Stereo on HD is possible but I've heard very little abou= t it being implemented. Do the experts on our forum think that if HD takes= off for AM at some point.....will it be stereo? I know that AM has had a = good bit of trouble with HD. I'm sure as the technology progesses things p= erhaps will be worked out but what about the stereo aspect? It's just hard= for me to fathom in almost 2009 that everything AM and FM isn't stereo. =20 =20 -Kevin --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Norbert 26 wrote: From: Norbert 26 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 5:02 PM it does not decode c-quam=20 http://www.ham- radio.com/ k6sti/xdr- f1hd.htm -----Original Message----- From: clemsonbloke Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 4:00 PM To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? I don't know but i've read a lot of glowing reports over the Sony.=EF=BF=BD= I've heard it's a better tuner than many others out there.=EF=BF=BD The on= e thing I can't seem to find out though is whether it decodes CQUAM. =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD -Kevin --- On Thu, 8/7/08, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:38 PM Somebody wrote: "...Sony...XDR- F1HD is an attractive and affordable compon= ent tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well?..." Good question; I'm selling my Visteon HD Jump radio right now as it does no= t decode CQuam (somebody said that their Visteon car radio did though). Despite claims that the Directed Electronics units decode CQuam - that's a = happy thought, as I cannot decode CFCO in stereo, nor playing around adjust= ing my Aspysis CQuam transmitter, can I get AM stereo decoding. Has anybody else tried the Visteon, and can they get it to decode CQuam? The Sangean HD, revised tuner, seems to be the ticket, but it's still over = $200; the Sony would be great if it could, but I'm willing to bet it has a = POS AM tuner with crappy bandwidth but a smokin' hot FM tuner, like most of= the HD's.=20 I've been extremely happy with the FM tuners in the HD radios I've used. Fi= rst adjacent FM channels come back to life that I haven't heard since the 7= 0's!! and the RDS is pretty sweet. They still need a "force to analog" swit= ch though.=20 Could somebody start a new AM-HD-Stereo Station Listing, as it seems that t= here's even less HD-AM-Stereo than there are CQuam AM Stereo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (6)=20 =20=20 4f.=20=20=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? Posted by: "Powell = E. Way III" w4opw@yahoo.com W4OPW Thu Aug 7, 2008 3:02 pm (PDT)=20=20=20 NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > Well isn't that a shame for an otherwise decent tuner?=20 > While we are on the subject lets pose a question that I > rarely ever hear answers to. Ok so if its inevitable, HD > that is, then what about Stereo on AM HD? Now I understand > that AM Stereo on HD is possible but I've heard very > little about it being implemented.=20 WOR does their HD in stereo.=20 > Do the experts on our > forum think that if HD takes off for AM at some > point.....will it be stereo? I know that AM has had a good > bit of trouble with HD. I'm sure as the technology > progesses things perhaps will be worked out but what about > the stereo aspect? It's just hard for me to fathom in > almost 2009 that everything AM and FM isn't stereo. It can be but the signal has to be strong and interference free.=20 Stereo on FM analog can be a detriment in the mountains, or in areas of sev= ere multipath. Not a problem on VHF HD.=20 Powell Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (6)=20 =20=20=20=20 5.=20=20=20 RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo Posted by: = "scottn0bst@usfamily.net" scottn0bst@usfamily.net amstereodude Thu Aug = 7, 2008 7:30 pm (PDT) This is directed at the political lefties here. I'm= ticked and I'm ready to ditch this list. I've tried to be civil but I'm at= a point where I'm going to unload and I don't care who gets hurt. You fing= er-pointing socialists and your hatred of the rich are going to be the deat= h of not only our economy, but the very thing we're on this list to preserv= e- AM stereo. Has it never occurred to any of you that we've done absolutel= y NOTHING of any effect to save it? The only way it'll happen is if one or = more of us get rich enough to buy our own stations! But no, you clowns that insist on being good little socialists because it's= "fair", not realizing many problems often are actually the cost of excess = government regulation pricing goods and services out of the market rather t= han "oppression" by "the rich." Not that there haven't been abuses, I'll fu= lly acknowlege that- Enron, Worldcom, etc. Bad business practices will like= ly be with us to the end of time but the alternative is good business pract= ices, not socialism. I'm not sure how or even if good business practices ca= n be legislated. Not sure who said it but there's a saying that goes roughl= y "If we don't let ourselves be governed by a few big rules [a reference to= the ten commandments, I believe] we'll be governed by a lot of little ones= ." Given our myriad of liliputian laws we're well into the latter part of t= he spectrum. I don't like hearing of an executive getting a huge severance just before b= ailing out of a failing company anymore than you do. But I have read a book= on the difference between effective and failing companies and it's called = The Oz Principle. One thing failing companies do is the same thing I've wit= nessed here and that's a lot of finger pointing. God help me to get rich so I can buy some AM stations and put AM stereo on = them. Get your lazy buns out of my way and let me do what needs to get done= . You're complaining is counterproductive. If that offends you, tough cooki= es! I'll gladly be part of the hated rich, though if you insist on voting f= or the socialist Obama I'm sure my currently slim chances will be reduced t= o none. BTW, I'll do everything I can to pay my employees fairly, but given= that radio is one of the most heavily regulated industries and the mulitpl= icity of medial alternatives that didn't exist even a decade ago it's VERY = hard to make a profit. It's NOT necessarily greed that has caused radio's w= oes. Executives aren't all overpaid versions of Arthur Carlson. [That's a W= KRP TV series reference for those too young to know.] Scott Todd I'm surprised I made it through without singling anyone out specifically. 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Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe=20 =20 Michael&Ross =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 07 21:33:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1517 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 04:33:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 04:33:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 04:33:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 83011 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 04:33:41 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:33:41 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 04:33:41 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <188777.76454.qm@web31914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <728052.82930.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 2769 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=gajy1ya-UW9JZmLIUXwJ_ayuaJ9-e7Cb_I6D5pY7o8N79nZ3EyMH X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Funny Funny! =A0 --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Michael and Ross wrote: From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 2769 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 12:26 AM Yeah we have real nasty Pollies here too like the Torys of the National Par= ty They come on our radio and want to sell everything off,Guess in America = you must have your Tory Pollys as well. amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com wrote: The AM STEREO Forum=20 Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)=20 1.1.=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM From: Phil=20 1.2.=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM From: Powell E. Way III=20 1.3.=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM From: george russell=20 1.4.=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM From: george russell=20 1.5.=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM From: scottn0bst@usfamily .ne= t=20 2a.=20 Re: New Small Town Radio From: W6YN Don Milbury=20 2b.=20 Re: New Small Town Radio From: george russell=20 2c.=20 Re: New Small Town Radio From: clemsonbloke=20 2d.=20 Re: New Small Town Radio From: clemsonbloke=20 3.1.=20 Re: small town radio From: george russell=20 3.2.=20 Re: small town radio From: clemsonbloke=20 3.3.=20 Re: small town radio From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net=20 3.4.=20 Re: small town radio From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net=20 3.5.=20 Re: small town radio From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net=20 3.6.=20 Re: small town radio From: W6YN Don Milbury=20 3.7.=20 Re: small town radio From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net=20 3.8.=20 Re: small town radio From: george russell=20 3.9.=20 Re: small town radio From: J Gualda Q Media=20 4a.=20 Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? From: John P.=20 4b.=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? From: Powell E. Way III=20 4c.=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? From: clemsonbloke=20 4d.=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? From: Norbert 26=20 4e.=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? From: clemsonbloke=20 4f.=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? From: Powell E. Way III=20 5.=20 RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo From: scottn0bst@u= sfamily .net=20 View All Topics | Create New Topic=20 Messages=20 1.1.=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM Posted by: "Phil" tubesarekin= g@ yahoo.ca tubesareking Thu Aug 7, 2008 5:25 am (PDT) Since we are WAY off= topic anyway, I might as well chime in :) Most Canadians do like most Americans. We are more comfortable and=20 assertive of our independence - less touchy, more confident than we=20 used to be. Carbonated beveridges are pop, not soda. Centre is=20 spelled centre, not center. Its Zed, not Zee. LOL. Our economy is less=20 dependent on the USA than it used to be, that helps too. The internet=20 and free trade helps too. The old image of loud mouth American=20 tourists arriving with skis on their roof racks in mid July has been=20 shattered. With my ebay buying and internet groups etc. I have been left with a=20 pretty good impression of the American people. I also, through some=20 online dealings, have an extremely positive impression of "radio=20 people" from Italy. I also have a very positive impression of Chinese and Japanese people,=20 as we have many visitors to PEI from those countries. And, quite a few=20 immigrants from China too. They come accross as very nice and very=20 enthusistic people. Every time some neat new radio loaded with=20 features and with good performance at a great price comes out of China=20 I think to myself how nice it is that manufacturers are making=20 affordable stuff for us radio nuts. As for the American government, most Canadians do not have a good=20 impression of many of the past US presidents. We did not like Nixon,=20 and our prime minister at the time, Pierre Trudeau, knew how to deal=20 with him. Carter was, and still is, well liked. We had mixed feeling=20 about Reagan - we were scared about him because we saw him as so right=20 wing, yet we found him folksy and down to earth - and our prime=20 minister at the time, Brian Mulroney [for all Mulroney's faults] seemed=20 to bring out the best in Ronald Reagan. Bill Clinton generally made a=20 good impression, and we felt that his personal weaknesses were a matter=20 relevant between him and Hillary. George Bush the first was viewed in=20 much higher regard than George W.=20 Our current prime minister, Stephen Harper, is kind of an interesting=20 cat. His normal inclination is pretty right wing. But, since he heads=20 a minority government, his government actually has been pretty=20 centrist. He is pro defense, and I like that - as he is putting much=20 needed funds into the military. He runs a tight ship financially, as=20 did Martin and Chretien before him, with year after year of budget=20 surpluses. He is a bit wooden, some say boring. But public office=20 seems to have guided him toward the Canadian centre. Needless to say, the upcoming US election is pretty interesting. We=20 perceive McCain as pretty moderate for a Republican, although every=20 time I hear his name I still think of frozen french fries and frozen=20 pizzas, due to the New Brunswick based frozen food Canadian multi- national corporation that happens to share his name. Obama intrigues=20 us - so different - perhaps so visionary and progressive. Plus, we may have an election this Fall if the Harper government=20 falls. Right now Harper is hoping Stephan Dion will force an=20 election. I think Harper figures that Dion's Carbon Tax idea will=20 backfire. The thought of heading into winter with an extra tax placed=20 on home heating oil may give Harper a majority. Dumb idea that some=20 aspects of his carbon tax is, there is still something likeable about=20 Dion. Sort of an egg-head academic that is folksy and likeable - like=20 the seemingly ivory tower college prof that was kind and helpful to his=20 students. As for Jack Layton - he is no Ed Broadbent. Ed was, and still is, a=20 great guy. As is Joe Clark. Elizabeth May is a great person who I admire greatly, but I don't think=20 the Green Party is going to get anywhere! Phil Rafuse Stratford PEI Canada Phil --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > >=20 > > Maybe it would be better explained the world doesn't hate us, the=20 > > world's leftists hate us. >=20 > Scott, you have said some pretty close to ignorant things but this=20 > one is probably the top. >=20 > I do not know how well traveled you are. I have been all over the=20 > earth and I can say that most of the nations of the world really=20 > don't like us. Even Canada doesn't like us all that much. >=20 > Kevin > Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (169)=20 1.2.=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM Posted by: "Powell E. Way III= " w4opw@yahoo. com W4OPW Thu Aug 7, 2008 7:58 am (PDT) They love our money P NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 8/6/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 10:33 PM > And China is very leftist. Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (169)=20 1.3.=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM Posted by: "george russell" w= lx1430@yahoo. com wlx1430 Thu Aug 7, 2008 10:51 am (PDT) Phil, do you remem= ber a song called "The Americans", spoken by the late great CKLW newscaster= Byron McGregor? Sums it up nicely, I thought. We must all remember, it is a different thing to hate a country than to hat= e it's government! I detested Stalin, but have many beloved Russian friends. I don't care for the situation between us and Mexico, but that doesn't mean= I can't still love my Mexican son more than life itself! "Love the sinner, hate the sin" as they say...G --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Phil wrote: > From: Phil > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 8:25 AM > Since we are WAY off topic anyway, I might as well chime in > :) >=20 > Most Canadians do like most Americans. We are more > comfortable and=20 > assertive of our independence - less touchy, more confident > than we=20 > used to be. Carbonated beveridges are pop, not soda.=20 > Centre is=20 > spelled centre, not center. Its Zed, not Zee. LOL. Our > economy is less=20 > dependent on the USA than it used to be, that helps too.=20 > The internet=20 > and free trade helps too. The old image of loud mouth > American=20 > tourists arriving with skis on their roof racks in mid July > has been=20 > shattered. >=20 > With my ebay buying and internet groups etc. I have been > left with a=20 > pretty good impression of the American people. I also, > through some=20 > online dealings, have an extremely positive impression of > "radio=20 > people" from Italy. >=20 > I also have a very positive impression of Chinese and > Japanese people,=20 > as we have many visitors to PEI from those countries. And, > quite a few=20 > immigrants from China too. They come accross as very nice > and very=20 > enthusistic people. Every time some neat new radio loaded > with=20 > features and with good performance at a great price comes > out of China=20 > I think to myself how nice it is that manufacturers are > making=20 > affordable stuff for us radio nuts. >=20 > As for the American government, most Canadians do not have > a good=20 > impression of many of the past US presidents. We did not > like Nixon,=20 > and our prime minister at the time, Pierre Trudeau, knew > how to deal=20 > with him. Carter was, and still is, well liked. We had > mixed feeling=20 > about Reagan - we were scared about him because we saw him > as so right=20 > wing, yet we found him folksy and down to earth - and our > prime=20 > minister at the time, Brian Mulroney [for all > Mulroney's faults] seemed=20 > to bring out the best in Ronald Reagan. Bill Clinton > generally made a=20 > good impression, and we felt that his personal weaknesses > were a matter=20 > relevant between him and Hillary. George Bush the first was > viewed in=20 > much higher regard than George W.=20 >=20 > Our current prime minister, Stephen Harper, is kind of an > interesting=20 > cat. His normal inclination is pretty right wing. But, > since he heads=20 > a minority government, his government actually has been > pretty=20 > centrist. He is pro defense, and I like that - as he is > putting much=20 > needed funds into the military. He runs a tight ship > financially, as=20 > did Martin and Chretien before him, with year after year of > budget=20 > surpluses. He is a bit wooden, some say boring. But public > office=20 > seems to have guided him toward the Canadian centre. >=20 > Needless to say, the upcoming US election is pretty > interesting. We=20 > perceive McCain as pretty moderate for a Republican, > although every=20 > time I hear his name I still think of frozen french fries > and frozen=20 > pizzas, due to the New Brunswick based frozen food Canadian > multi- > national corporation that happens to share his name. Obama > intrigues=20 > us - so different - perhaps so visionary and progressive. >=20 > Plus, we may have an election this Fall if the Harper > government=20 > falls. Right now Harper is hoping Stephan Dion will force > an=20 > election. I think Harper figures that Dion's Carbon > Tax idea will=20 > backfire. The thought of heading into winter with an extra > tax placed=20 > on home heating oil may give Harper a majority. Dumb idea > that some=20 > aspects of his carbon tax is, there is still something > likeable about=20 > Dion. Sort of an egg-head academic that is folksy and > likeable - like=20 > the seemingly ivory tower college prof that was kind and > helpful to his=20 > students. >=20 > As for Jack Layton - he is no Ed Broadbent. Ed was, and > still is, a=20 > great guy. As is Joe Clark. >=20 > Elizabeth May is a great person who I admire greatly, but I > don't think=20 > the Green Party is going to get anywhere! >=20 > Phil Rafuse > Stratford PEI Canada >=20 > Phil >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, kevin redding > =20 > wrote: > > > >=20 > > > Maybe it would be better explained the world > doesn't hate us, the=20 > > > world's leftists hate us. > >=20 > > Scott, you have said some pretty close to ignorant > things but this=20 > > one is probably the top. > >=20 > > I do not know how well traveled you are. I have been > all over the=20 > > earth and I can say that most of the nations of the > world really=20 > > don't like us. Even Canada doesn't like us all > that much. > >=20 > > Kevin > > Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (169)=20 1.4.=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM Posted by: "george russell" w= lx1430@yahoo. com wlx1430 Thu Aug 7, 2008 10:52 am (PDT) And that is why th= e U.S. dollar is flying so high today? G --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:58 AM > They love our money >=20 > P >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, kevin redding > wrote: >=20 > > From: kevin redding > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it > won't be C-QUAM > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 10:33 PM > > And China is very leftist. Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (169)=20 1.5.=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM Posted by: "scottn0bst@usfami= ly .net" scottn0bst@usfamily .net amstereodude Thu Aug 7, 2008 6:02 pm (PDT= ) I say this more as an observation rather than an insult- Maybe you're a m= agnet for malcontents. We've got more people applying for immigration than = we can handle, not to mention all the ones who get in anyway from south of = the border. We can't be THAT hated. Scott ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kevin redding=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:44 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > Maybe it would be better explained the world doesn't hate us, the=20 > world's leftists hate us. Scott, you have said some pretty close to ignorant things but this=20 one is probably the top. I do not know how well traveled you are. I have been all over the=20 earth and I can say that most of the nations of the world really=20 don't like us. Even Canada doesn't like us all that much. Kevin ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG.=20 Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1596 - Release Date: 8/6/08 4:5= 5 PM --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (169)=20 2a.=20 Re: New Small Town Radio Posted by: "W6YN Don Milbury" w6yn@juno.com w6yn T= hu Aug 7, 2008 10:12 am (PDT) What started all of the hashing was someone d= ecided it was a good idea to regulate free speech. Free speech is not allow= ing the federal government manage political speech on the public airwaves. Rather than having the government regulate what people can say, we should l= et the market decide what people want to hear. That=92s precisely why the F= airness Doctrine was abandoned, and that=92s why it ought not to be revived= . Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: Alright we've hashed this crap forever and honestly i'm ready for more radi= o talk, this is radio isn't it? We also are straying from the topic of this= forum way too much so I want to bring it back in line. I'd like someone to= adress a recent product. I'd like to hear from one of our resident experts= on this matter. We've all discussed the Sangean HD radio component tuner i= n the past and other models. We all know that the Sangean and that small ra= dio shack radio also decode CQUAM. Sony has recently come out with a compon= ent HD radio tuner. It is the XDR-F1HD and it is an attractive and affordab= le component tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well? Th= at is what i'd like to know. Here is a link to the sony page with this prod= uct: http://www.sonystyl e.com/webapp/ wcs/stores/ servlet/ProductD isplay?catal= ogId =3D10551&storeId=3D 10151&langId=3D -1&productId=3D 8198552921665401 9= 84 Does anyone have any information on this product as far as CQUAM is concern= ed? I know most of the HD units that do in fact decode CQUAM do not adverti= se that fact. Maybe Kevin would know about this? Well what do you folks thi= nk about this unit? I rather like its looks. -Kevin (ClemsonBloke) Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (5)=20 2b.=20 Re: New Small Town Radio Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo. com wlx= 1430 Thu Aug 7, 2008 10:57 am (PDT) I kinda see your point, Don, but how mu= ch of it is really free, anyway? Last time I checked, air-time is NOT cheap! That aside, it is only natural = human nature for a station to allow more time from those they agree with. M= aybe the answer is to go back to the ownership limitations? Bye-Bye, Cheap Channel!!! (and along with it, the anti-C-QUAM and anti-high= -fidelity attitudes they so cherish!) George --- On Thu, 8/7/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:10 PM > What started all of the hashing was someone decided it was a > good idea to regulate free speech. Free speech is not > allowing the federal government manage political speech on > the public airwaves. > Rather than having the government regulate what people can > say, we should let the market decide what people want to > hear. That=B4s precisely why the Fairness Doctrine was > abandoned, and that=B4s why it ought not to be revived. >=20 > Don >=20 > -- clemsonbloke wrote: > Alright we've hashed this crap forever and honestly > i'm ready for more radio talk, this is radio isn't > it? We also are straying from the topic of this forum way > too much so I want to bring it back in line. I'd like > someone to adress a recent product. I'd like to hear > from one of our resident experts on this matter. We've > all discussed the Sangean HD radio component tuner in the > past and other models. We all know that the Sangean and > that small radio shack radio also decode CQUAM. Sony has > recently come out with a component HD radio tuner. It is > the XDR-F1HD and it is an attractive and affordable > component tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes > CQUAM as well? That is what i'd like to know. Here is > a link to the sony page with this product: >=20 > http://www.sonystyl e.com/webapp/ wcs/stores/ servlet/ProductD isplay?cat= alogId =3D10551&storeId=3D 10151&langId=3D -1&productId=3D 8198552921665401= 984 >=20 > Does anyone have any information on this product as far as > CQUAM is concerned? I know most of the HD units that do in > fact decode CQUAM do not advertise that fact. Maybe Kevin > would know about this? Well what do you folks think about > this unit? I rather like its looks. >=20 > -Kevin (ClemsonBloke) Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (5)=20 2c.=20 Re: New Small Town Radio Posted by: "clemsonbloke" clemsonbloke@ yahoo.co. = uk clemsonbloke Thu Aug 7, 2008 12:37 pm (PDT) Don, Thats precisely why it was written, to protect it , so that both sides coul= d be presented. We'll just have to agree to disagree here but as I stated i= t is well past time to move on. I believe this has went way off topic and w= e need to bring it back to AM Stereo.=20 -Kevin --- On Thu, 8/7/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:10 PM What started all of the hashing was someone decided it was a good idea to r= egulate free speech. Free speech is not allowing the federal government man= age political speech on the public airwaves. Rather than having the government regulate what people can say, we should l= et the market decide what people want to hear. That=A2s precisely why the F= airness Doctrine was abandoned, and that=A2s why it ought not to be revived= . Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: Alright we've hashed this crap forever and honestly i'm ready for more radi= o talk, this is radio isn't it? We also are straying from the topic of this= forum way too much so I want to bring it back in line. I'd like someone to= adress a recent product. I'd like to hear from one of our resident experts= on this matter. We've all discussed the Sangean HD radio component tuner i= n the past and other models. We all know that the Sangean and that small ra= dio shack radio also decode CQUAM. Sony has recently come out with a compon= ent HD radio tuner. It is the XDR-F1HD and it is an attractive and affordab= le component tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well? Th= at is what i'd like to know. Here is a link to the sony page with this prod= uct: http://www.sonystyl e.com/webapp/ wcs/stores/ servlet/ProductD isplay?catal= ogId =3D10551&storeId=3D 10151&langId=3D -1&productId=3D 8198552921665401 9= 84 Does anyone have any information on this product as far as CQUAM is concern= ed? I know most of the HD units that do in fact decode CQUAM do not adverti= se that fact. Maybe Kevin would know about this? Well what do you folks thi= nk about this unit? I rather like its looks. -Kevin (ClemsonBloke) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (5)=20 2d.=20 Re: New Small Town Radio Posted by: "clemsonbloke" clemsonbloke@ yahoo.co. = uk clemsonbloke Thu Aug 7, 2008 12:57 pm (PDT) I love the "anti-fidelity" p= art! Very true today with this MP3 stuff and all. It's got a lil better on = that front but MP3 is still MP3. Maybe we should relate it to tape speeds. = 3 3/4 ips. versus the fidelity of 7 1/2 ips. Ha! Love those reel to reels! = ATR Magnetics is supposed to start manufacturing 1/4" open reel tape this y= ear where Ampex/Quantegy left off. Hmm what happend to WORD 1330, its off a= nd buzzing? Gotta go turn it off. Yeah I still listen to it eventhough they= are republican only ! Hey I need to hear what they are saying! Yall be goo= d. --- On Thu, 8/7/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:57 PM I kinda see your point, Don, but how much of it is really free, anyway? Last time I checked, air-time is NOT cheap! That aside, it is only natural = human nature for a station to allow more time from those they agree with. M= aybe the answer is to go back to the ownership limitations? Bye-Bye, Cheap Channel!!! (and along with it, the anti-C-QUAM and anti-high= -fidelity attitudes they so cherish!) George --- On Thu, 8/7/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:10 PM > What started all of the hashing was someone decided it was a > good idea to regulate free speech. Free speech is not > allowing the federal government manage political speech on > the public airwaves. > Rather than having the government regulate what people can > say, we should let the market decide what people want to > hear. That=A2s precisely why the Fairness Doctrine was > abandoned, and that=A2s why it ought not to be revived. >=20 > Don >=20 > -- clemsonbloke wrote: > Alright we've hashed this crap forever and honestly > i'm ready for more radio talk, this is radio isn't > it? We also are straying from the topic of this forum way > too much so I want to bring it back in line. I'd like > someone to adress a recent product. I'd like to hear > from one of our resident experts on this matter. We've > all discussed the Sangean HD radio component tuner in the > past and other models. We all know that the Sangean and > that small radio shack radio also decode CQUAM. Sony has > recently come out with a component HD radio tuner. It is > the XDR-F1HD and it is an attractive and affordable > component tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes > CQUAM as well? That is what i'd like to know. Here is > a link to the sony page with this product: >=20 > http://www.sonystyl e.com/webapp/ wcs/stores/ servlet/ProductD isplay?cat= alogId =3D10551&storeId=3D 10151&langId=3D -1&productId=3D 8198552921665401= 984 >=20 > Does anyone have any information on this product as far as > CQUAM is concerned? I know most of the HD units that do in > fact decode CQUAM do not advertise that fact. Maybe Kevin > would know about this? Well what do you folks think about > this unit? I rather like its looks. >=20 > -Kevin (ClemsonBloke) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (5)=20 3.1.=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo. com wlx1430= Thu Aug 7, 2008 10:33 am (PDT) I've got a good idea (which means we will p= robably never see it happen): Why not get rid of the income tax altogether, and tax only goods and servic= es? That way, the rich who just HAVE to have the 12 Mercedes and the gazill= ion room house WILL pay their fair share, while the poorest among us will p= ay only what they can. Leave taxes off of basic needs, such as food and hou= sing. If we do it right, it WILL work! I know at least one state (can't remember which one, north-east area?) has done this with success. I'm sick to death of the excuses for the rich, "but they provide jobs!", RE= ALLY??? Where?!? in Mexico? In China? WHERE? Sure as hell not here in Michigan! Oh,= OK, maybe in the "Service Industry" (what a euphemism!) slaving over a hot= hamburger grill, or sweating their brains out in a factory, for a wage tha= t can barely support one person, let alone a family.=20 That is just OBSCENE! And yet the "religious right" (which is frankly neith= er!) finds it OK...so exploitation and abuse are Christian values? Not in MY Bible!=20 "But we shouldn't tax the rich to feed the poor". Let's hear BOTH sides of = the story! Who's labor, sweat, and blood did they use to GET rich? Whether by hitting it good in the market, inheriting it, or outright exploi= ting it, SOMEBODY got their hands dirty doing the grunt work, or even riski= ng their health or very life...and it damn sure wasn't the rich, as such endeavors are light-years beneath them. I repeat, when somebody well-off, smugly admiring and brown-nosing the righ= t-wing liars, cheaters, thieves loses THEIR job, or THEIR home, THEN I thin= k they will finally see what those on the left figured out a long time ago! "To take more than one needs, if it means somebody else losing out, is wron= g", to paraphrase.. .Carl Marx? NO! Vladimir Lenin? NO! How about St. Frances of Asisi! (so now you can call me a sissi AND a commi= e pinko!) What we need is what happened in Poland, years back...EVERY working man and= woman (and sadly, child) just NOT SHOW UP FOR WORK! When nobody gets their= trash hauled away, their breakfast served, or there power kept on, then maybe we will appreciate those who the damn snobs keep looking down th= eir despicable plastic noses at! Of course, in this country, Bush, Chaney and Assoc. would just call out the= military, and make us work at gunpoint. And if you think THAT can't happen= in a "free country" (free as long as you can afford it), you better look i= nto the history of coal mining! If what happened in Matawan,=20 West-thank God-Virginia doesn't break your heart, you don't HAVE ONE! Whoever said I had a compassionate heart was right..I have a HUGE PASSION a= nd UNBREAKABLE LOVE for the working American, and God help the plutocrat th= at thinks they can change THAT with ill-informed or outright dishonest right-wing rhetoric! I'm poor, but I'm NOT BLIND or STUPID! And this IS related to AM Stereo...I'll say it over a C-QUAM transmitter wi= th a 15 second delay between channels, so that in case anything is missed, = it can be heard AGAIN!=20 I could go on, but at a b.p. of 180/100 and rising, I better stop... I can't afford a doctor if I "blow a gasket"... G --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:40 AM > Don, >=20 > Thats not even practical thought. If the taxpayers (which > are every single american) dont pay off the debt who will?=20 > You misunderstand what this country is about then if you > think we shouldn't pay our fair share. Yes I think > taxes are high and higher than should be but its the middle > class that pays the brunt of taxes, not the rich. We all > though own this country and we all have to do our part.=20 > Therefore we all must pay the debt off and I am for paying > the debt off. Why sir should we be indebted to China and > keep borrowing money we don't have? As I said I dont > claim one side. I can see BS on both sides. The debt > though needs to be paid down. We need to get away from any > dependence on other countries. We also need to bring back > our own manufacturing. American Made used to be a thing of > pride. What is made in America anymore? We don't > like taxes but we are all stewards of this country and we > must pay our part no matter how > unfair it may be. It's our civic duty. It all > depends on perspective. Now income taxes are one thing and > I think all that needs overhauling. The whole tax code > should be scrapped and designed as a fair system across the > board. Yes that should be done. At the end of the day > though it still comes down to the fact we are all stewards > of this place and we have to pay our part. Whether or not > you think its wrong or right. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: >=20 > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:36 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > One doesn't have to look far to find vocal liberals in > the news media. Unbiased media seems to be difficult to > find: >=20 > Let's see ... >=20 > ABC's Claire Shipman says the taxpayers, not the > politicians, should sacrifice to close the budget deficit: > "If every American were to pitch in $2,000, we could > pay off this year's deficit. ... Or, if we handed over, > each of us, 500 gallons of gasoline or, in terms we could > all really understand, if every American gave up 666 lattes > for a year, we could pay off this year's deficit." >=20 > Dan Rather predicts Big Oil will try to manipulate the > election for John McCain: "The people who can affect > the price of oil would prefer a Republican presidential > candidate. Watch the price of oil. If it goes down, which it > may very well, it could help John McCain quite a bit." >=20 > The Associated Press swoons: "It's not only > Obama's youth, eloquence and energy that have stolen > hearts across the Atlantic. Obama has raised expectations of > a chance for the nation to redeem itself in the role that > Europe has loved, respected and relied upon." >=20 > CBS's Mark Phillips melts in Berlin: "The > 200,000-plus crowd confirmed his rock star status, and his > more cooperative sounding rhetoric was what the crowd wanted > to hear." >=20 > Alessandra Stanley of the New York Times rejects charges of > pro-Obama bias with this doozy: "Mr. Obama's > weeklong tour of war zones and foreign capitals is > noteworthy because it is so unusual to see a presidential > candidate act so presidential overseas." >=20 > On "Meet the Press," NBC's Tom Brokaw prods > Al Gore: "How can you, given the passion that you feel > about this issue, turn down the idea that you could be in > the administration as a vice president or as an energy czar > or as both?" >=20 > With a straight face, retiring New York Times reporter > Linda Greenhouse claims, "President Clinton played to > the center, not the left, in selecting Ruth Bader Ginsburg > and Stephen G. Breyer." >=20 > NBC labels the late Jesse Helms an "outspoken > ultra-rightist, " but waxed about Howard Metzenbaum as > a "populist" who "always fought for the > little guy." >=20 > NBC's Matt Lauer presses Barack Obama -- as not liberal > enough, quoting hotheads at the New York Times: "Sen. > Obama is not just tacking gently toward the center. He's > lurching right when it suits him, he's zigging with the > kind of reckless abandon that's guaranteed to cause > disillusion, if not whiplash." >=20 > New polls from battleground states delight MSNBC's > Chris Matthews: "I'm thrilled with this. > Obama's strength in the Northeast, the West Coast and > the Great Lakes." >=20 > CBS's Katie Couric sees bias now: "However you > feel about her politics, I feel that Sen. Clinton received > some of the most unfair, hostile coverage I've ever > seen." >=20 > And Time's former Washington Bureau Chief Margaret > Carlson pens, "If there's anything we need to > rescue us from the last eight years, it's brains, good > judgment and experience. Obama has the first two. Gore has > all three." >=20 > NBC's Lee Cowan waxes, "In victory and in defeat > Michelle Obama had always been there, dressed as brightly as > her husband's smile." ... In reference to John > McCain's wife Cindy, New York Times reporter Alessandra > Stanley writes: "As the Equal Rights Amendment faded as > a cause and conservatism made a comeback, Republican spouses > became ever more careful to stay three steps behind their > men and the times." >=20 > Former ABC reporter Linda Douglass, now an Obama > spokesperson, reveals the obvious: "I have fundamental > differences with John McCain on the issues and always have. > I don't have any problem criticizing John McCain." >=20 > AP reporter Charles Babington cheers: "Obama is > something special, a man who makes difficult tasks look > easy, who seems to touch millions of diverse people with a > message of hope that somehow doesn't sound Pollyannaish. > "
 Conservative columnist Bob Novak tells it > like it is: "I've been covering presidential > campaigns since 1960. I have always said I have never seen > the media as much entranced by a candidate than when they > were in my very first campaign, in 1960, when they were for > JFK. But I'm telling you right now, the enchantment with > Obama beats the JFK syndrome." >=20 > Other than these, Bob, there are no liberals in the news > media - just honest unbiased reporting. >=20 > Don >=20 > --- >=20 > -- clemsonbloke wrote: > Then you are wrong. If you are right then why aren't > you teaching the class? As a matter of fact why aren't > anyone else on here teaching it since you are right? So you > are saying the professors and folks who write the books are > complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What > passes for education? What passes for ignorance on here > amazes me. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net > wrote: >=20 > From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net .net> > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM >=20 > At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just > that. Much of what passes for higher education nowadays is > balderdash, especially in the liberal arts. And I say that > as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, though I > had 95% of everything done by 83. >=20 > Scott > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: clemsonbloke=20 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 >=20 > Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what > I said it was about unless you are saying that my professors > are wrong and that the textbooks are wrong! >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > http://www.usfamily .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 3.2.=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "clemsonbloke" clemsonbloke@ yahoo.co. uk c= lemsonbloke Thu Aug 7, 2008 12:53 pm (PDT) Well said ! I love the "ill say = it over CQUAM....... .." ha! Agreed but you know they all just loved this c= haracter on the stage called Bush. Well has anyone done any ressearch? I th= in not because if they did they'd see he and his family are goody goody wit= h the Saudi Royal Family. To me, in light of current affairs, this should b= e looked at as treason to this country!! Yes it's these big rich folk who a= re planning the take over of this country and they've hoodwinked SOME of th= ese poor people out here into supporting their cause by using religion and = other causes. Do I believe Bush when he says he's this big christian guy? H= is actions are not that representative of such if you ask me. See he sold a= ll these idiots a lie and they bought it. Oh the faith based this and faith= based that. Yeah right it was nothing more than a lie sold to that segment of people to get a vote. The sad thing is they never even picked up= on it. I heard so many people saying "oh bush is a good christian man" ! Poppycock! If he was= then why didn't he do anything to help the people of Katrina? He was caugh= t with his pants down on that one while he stood there and studdered. No no= ne of these followers on this list will convince me otherwise. If they can'= t see the crimes committed by these people then they are blind. Yeah and wh= at about nation building schemes? Wait I doubt anyone understands what that= even is. Well let me tell you. What they do is go in and claim someone did= this or that to us and destroy their country. They then send these compani= es over there to rebuild what was torn up. Thats huge business and these co= mpanies make billions. Plain and simple. Go in and tear someones back yard = up just to make billions off rebuilding them. Iraq had nothing to do with s= eptember 11....afghanistan was where the problem was. If people don't know = that then they are complete uninformed idiots. That was the biggest diversion in history. Criminals I s= ay criminals. I love my country but not what these idiots have turned it in= to. Hell I made Eagle Scout (only 2% of all scouts ever make that!) so I th= ink I know my country and what it should be and I love my country. It's jus= t sad to see what a few idiots have done to it and our freedoms. We used to= laugh at Russia and their cameras on the streets and how they watched and = controlled their people. Now we are turning into the same thing. Bottom lin= e is people need to wake up before we lose it all.=20 --- On Thu, 8/7/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:33 PM I've got a good idea (which means we will probably never see it happen): Why not get rid of the income tax altogether, and tax only goods and servic= es? That way, the rich who just HAVE to have the 12 Mercedes and the gazill= ion room house WILL pay their fair share, while the poorest among us will p= ay only what they can. Leave taxes off of basic needs, such as food and hou= sing. If we do it right, it WILL work! I know at least one state (can't remember which one, north-east area?) has done this with success. I'm sick to death of the excuses for the rich, "but they provide jobs!", RE= ALLY??? Where?!? in Mexico? In China? WHERE? Sure as hell not here in Michigan! Oh,= OK, maybe in the "Service Industry" (what a euphemism!) slaving over a hot= hamburger grill, or sweating their brains out in a factory, for a wage tha= t can barely support one person, let alone a family.=20 That is just OBSCENE! And yet the "religious right" (which is frankly neith= er!) finds it OK...so exploitation and abuse are Christian values? Not in MY Bible!=20 "But we shouldn't tax the rich to feed the poor". Let's hear BOTH sides of = the story! Who's labor, sweat, and blood did they use to GET rich? Whether by hitting it good in the market, inheriting it, or outright exploi= ting it, SOMEBODY got their hands dirty doing the grunt work, or even riski= ng their health or very life...and it damn sure wasn't the rich, as such endeavors are light-years beneath them. I repeat, when somebody well-off, smugly admiring and brown-nosing the righ= t-wing liars, cheaters, thieves loses THEIR job, or THEIR home, THEN I thin= k they will finally see what those on the left figured out a long time ago! "To take more than one needs, if it means somebody else losing out, is wron= g", to paraphrase.. .Carl Marx? NO! Vladimir Lenin? NO! How about St. Frances of Asisi! (so now you can call me a sissi AND a commi= e pinko!) What we need is what happened in Poland, years back...EVERY working man and= woman (and sadly, child) just NOT SHOW UP FOR WORK! When nobody gets their= trash hauled away, their breakfast served, or there power kept on, then maybe we will appreciate those who the damn snobs keep looking down th= eir despicable plastic noses at! Of course, in this country, Bush, Chaney and Assoc. would just call out the= military, and make us work at gunpoint. And if you think THAT can't happen= in a "free country" (free as long as you can afford it), you better look i= nto the history of coal mining! If what happened in Matawan,=20 West-thank God-Virginia doesn't break your heart, you don't HAVE ONE! Whoever said I had a compassionate heart was right..I have a HUGE PASSION a= nd UNBREAKABLE LOVE for the working American, and God help the plutocrat th= at thinks they can change THAT with ill-informed or outright dishonest right-wing rhetoric! I'm poor, but I'm NOT BLIND or STUPID! And this IS related to AM Stereo...I'll say it over a C-QUAM transmitter wi= th a 15 second delay between channels, so that in case anything is missed, = it can be heard AGAIN!=20 I could go on, but at a b.p. of 180/100 and rising, I better stop... I can't afford a doctor if I "blow a gasket"... G --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:40 AM > Don, >=20 > Thats not even practical thought. If the taxpayers (which > are every single american) dont pay off the debt who will?=20 > You misunderstand what this country is about then if you > think we shouldn't pay our fair share. Yes I think > taxes are high and higher than should be but its the middle > class that pays the brunt of taxes, not the rich. We all > though own this country and we all have to do our part.=20 > Therefore we all must pay the debt off and I am for paying > the debt off. Why sir should we be indebted to China and > keep borrowing money we don't have? As I said I dont > claim one side. I can see BS on both sides. The debt > though needs to be paid down. We need to get away from any > dependence on other countries. We also need to bring back > our own manufacturing. American Made used to be a thing of > pride. What is made in America anymore? We don't > like taxes but we are all stewards of this country and we > must pay our part no matter how > unfair it may be. It's our civic duty. It all > depends on perspective. Now income taxes are one thing and > I think all that needs overhauling. The whole tax code > should be scrapped and designed as a fair system across the > board. Yes that should be done. At the end of the day > though it still comes down to the fact we are all stewards > of this place and we have to pay our part. Whether or not > you think its wrong or right. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: >=20 > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:36 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > One doesn't have to look far to find vocal liberals in > the news media. Unbiased media seems to be difficult to > find: >=20 > Let's see ... >=20 > ABC's Claire Shipman says the taxpayers, not the > politicians, should sacrifice to close the budget deficit: > "If every American were to pitch in $2,000, we could > pay off this year's deficit. ... Or, if we handed over, > each of us, 500 gallons of gasoline or, in terms we could > all really understand, if every American gave up 666 lattes > for a year, we could pay off this year's deficit." >=20 > Dan Rather predicts Big Oil will try to manipulate the > election for John McCain: "The people who can affect > the price of oil would prefer a Republican presidential > candidate. Watch the price of oil. If it goes down, which it > may very well, it could help John McCain quite a bit." >=20 > The Associated Press swoons: "It's not only > Obama's youth, eloquence and energy that have stolen > hearts across the Atlantic. Obama has raised expectations of > a chance for the nation to redeem itself in the role that > Europe has loved, respected and relied upon." >=20 > CBS's Mark Phillips melts in Berlin: "The > 200,000-plus crowd confirmed his rock star status, and his > more cooperative sounding rhetoric was what the crowd wanted > to hear." >=20 > Alessandra Stanley of the New York Times rejects charges of > pro-Obama bias with this doozy: "Mr. Obama's > weeklong tour of war zones and foreign capitals is > noteworthy because it is so unusual to see a presidential > candidate act so presidential overseas." >=20 > On "Meet the Press," NBC's Tom Brokaw prods > Al Gore: "How can you, given the passion that you feel > about this issue, turn down the idea that you could be in > the administration as a vice president or as an energy czar > or as both?" >=20 > With a straight face, retiring New York Times reporter > Linda Greenhouse claims, "President Clinton played to > the center, not the left, in selecting Ruth Bader Ginsburg > and Stephen G. Breyer." >=20 > NBC labels the late Jesse Helms an "outspoken > ultra-rightist, " but waxed about Howard Metzenbaum as > a "populist" who "always fought for the > little guy." >=20 > NBC's Matt Lauer presses Barack Obama -- as not liberal > enough, quoting hotheads at the New York Times: "Sen. > Obama is not just tacking gently toward the center. He's > lurching right when it suits him, he's zigging with the > kind of reckless abandon that's guaranteed to cause > disillusion, if not whiplash." >=20 > New polls from battleground states delight MSNBC's > Chris Matthews: "I'm thrilled with this. > Obama's strength in the Northeast, the West Coast and > the Great Lakes." >=20 > CBS's Katie Couric sees bias now: "However you > feel about her politics, I feel that Sen. Clinton received > some of the most unfair, hostile coverage I've ever > seen." >=20 > And Time's former Washington Bureau Chief Margaret > Carlson pens, "If there's anything we need to > rescue us from the last eight years, it's brains, good > judgment and experience. Obama has the first two. Gore has > all three." >=20 > NBC's Lee Cowan waxes, "In victory and in defeat > Michelle Obama had always been there, dressed as brightly as > her husband's smile." ... In reference to John > McCain's wife Cindy, New York Times reporter Alessandra > Stanley writes: "As the Equal Rights Amendment faded as > a cause and conservatism made a comeback, Republican spouses > became ever more careful to stay three steps behind their > men and the times." >=20 > Former ABC reporter Linda Douglass, now an Obama > spokesperson, reveals the obvious: "I have fundamental > differences with John McCain on the issues and always have. > I don't have any problem criticizing John McCain." >=20 > AP reporter Charles Babington cheers: "Obama is > something special, a man who makes difficult tasks look > easy, who seems to touch millions of diverse people with a > message of hope that somehow doesn't sound Pollyannaish. > "
 Conservative columnist Bob Novak tells it > like it is: "I've been covering presidential > campaigns since 1960. I have always said I have never seen > the media as much entranced by a candidate than when they > were in my very first campaign, in 1960, when they were for > JFK. But I'm telling you right now, the enchantment with > Obama beats the JFK syndrome." >=20 > Other than these, Bob, there are no liberals in the news > media - just honest unbiased reporting. >=20 > Don >=20 > --- >=20 > -- clemsonbloke wrote: > Then you are wrong. If you are right then why aren't > you teaching the class? As a matter of fact why aren't > anyone else on here teaching it since you are right? So you > are saying the professors and folks who write the books are > complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What > passes for education? What passes for ignorance on here > amazes me. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net > wrote: >=20 > From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net .net> > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM >=20 > At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just > that. Much of what passes for higher education nowadays is > balderdash, especially in the liberal arts. And I say that > as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, though I > had 95% of everything done by 83. >=20 > Scott > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: clemsonbloke=20 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 >=20 > Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what > I said it was about unless you are saying that my professors > are wrong and that the textbooks are wrong! >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > http://www.usfamily .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 3.3.=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "scottn0bst@usfamily .net" scottn0bst@usfam= ily .net amstereodude Thu Aug 7, 2008 5:47 pm (PDT) If teaching were my gif= t I'd have turned you guys around a long time ago. Textbook writers and the= academics who use them have an agenda. They hate so-called "right wing hat= e radio" as much as you do, hence they want to silence it.=20 Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio Then you are wrong. If you are right then why aren't you teaching the class= ? As a matter of fact why aren't anyone else on here teaching it since you = are right? So you are saying the professors and folks who write the books a= re complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What passes for educat= ion? What passes for ignorance on here amazes me. --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net wro= te: From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just that. Much of what p= asses for higher education nowadays is balderdash, especially in the libera= l arts. And I say that as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, tho= ugh I had 95% of everything done by 83. Scott ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what I said it was a= bout unless you are saying that my professors are wrong and that the textbo= oks are wrong! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG.=20 Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1596 - Release Date: 8/6/08 4:5= 5 PM --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 3.4.=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "scottn0bst@usfamily .net" scottn0bst@usfam= ily .net amstereodude Thu Aug 7, 2008 5:51 pm (PDT) Ultimately that's true,= but why is it up to us to finance ever growing government programs and so-= called investments? Why can't the politicians spend less? And I mean ALL po= litical parties when I say that. Scott ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 If the taxpayers (which are every single american) dont pay off the debt wh= o will?=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 3.5.=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "scottn0bst@usfamily .net" scottn0bst@usfam= ily .net amstereodude Thu Aug 7, 2008 6:00 pm (PDT) Iraq hasn't had much of= a working infrastructure since Clinton bombed them back in the 90s. They d= o now under Bush. Afghanistan is starting to develop infrastructure for the= first time in its history. As for your idiotic comment about Iraq not having anything to do with 9/11,= the only ones who keep repeating this are the political left. I have yet t= o meet ANYONE who says Iraq had anything to do with it. You're incessant re= peating of this bilge won't make it anymore true. Plans to go after Saddam = date back to at least 1998. 9/11 was merely a catalyst that said maybe we s= hould finally do something about him. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Yeah and what about nation building schemes? Wait I doubt anyone understand= s what that even is. Well let me tell you. What they do is go in and claim = someone did this or that to us and destroy their country. They then send th= ese companies over there to rebuild what was torn up. Thats huge business a= nd these companies make billions. Plain and simple. Go in and tear someones= back yard up just to make billions off rebuilding them. Iraq had nothing t= o do with september 11....afghanistan was where the problem was. If people = don't know that then they are complete uninformed idiots. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 3.6.=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "W6YN Don Milbury" w6yn@juno.com w6yn Thu A= ug 7, 2008 6:34 pm (PDT) You seem to be a very bitter Marxist. Your Governe= ss as good news for you: Governess Says Invest Michigan! will Grow State Pension Fund, Invest in Mic= higan Businesses, Create Jobs Contact: Liz Boyd 517-335-6397 Radio Address outlines plan to build Michigan's economic future LANSING - In her weekly radio address, Governor Jennifer M. Granholm today = said her plan to invest $300 million in Michigan-based companies will grow = the state pension fund and create jobs. "This week, we moved forward on another of our plans to grow business and c= reate jobs by announcing Invest Michigan! - a fund that will use $300 milli= on, a large amount of capital but a small portion of our state pension fund= , to invest in businesses that create the jobs we need in Michigan," Granho= lm said. The 21st Century Jobs Fund and the Venture Michigan Fund are investing hund= reds of millions of dollars focused on Michigan companies at the critical e= arly-growth state. Until this point, however, there has not been enough fun= ding available for later-stage capital needs. "Invest Michigan! will use state pension funds to help diversify Michigan's= economy by retaining, attracting, and building successful small and mid-si= zed businesses and creating jobs for Michigan workers," Granholm said. "The= se investments in Michigan-based companies, in turn, will grow our pension = funds. Invest Michigan! is a program that will put Michigan money to work b= uilding Michigan's economic future." The governor's weekly radio address is released each Friday morning and may= be heard on broadcast stations across the state. The address is available = on the governor's Web site at (www.michigan. gov/gov) for download, togethe= r with a clip of the quote above. The radio address is also available as a = podcast on the Web site, as well as on iTunes and via RSS feed for general = distribution to personal MP3 players and home computers.=20 -- george russell wrote: I've got a good idea (which means we will probably never see it happen): Why not get rid of the income tax altogether, and tax only goods and servic= es? That way, the rich who just HAVE to have the 12 Mercedes and the gazill= ion room house WILL pay their fair share, while the poorest among us will p= ay only what they can. Leave taxes off of basic needs, such as food and hou= sing. If we do it right, it WILL work! I know at least one state (can't remember which one, north-east area?) has done this with success. I'm sick to death of the excuses for the rich, "but they provide jobs!", RE= ALLY??? Where?!? in Mexico? In China? WHERE? Sure as hell not here in Michigan! Oh,= OK, maybe in the "Service Industry" (what a euphemism!) slaving over a hot= hamburger grill, or sweating their brains out in a factory, for a wage tha= t can barely support one person, let alone a family.=20 That is just OBSCENE! And yet the "religious right" (which is frankly neith= er!) finds it OK...so exploitation and abuse are Christian values? Not in MY Bible!=20 "But we shouldn't tax the rich to feed the poor". Let's hear BOTH sides of = the story! Who's labor, sweat, and blood did they use to GET rich? Whether by hitting it good in the market, inheriting it, or outright exploi= ting it, SOMEBODY got their hands dirty doing the grunt work, or even riski= ng their health or very life...and it damn sure wasn't the rich, as such endeavors are light-years beneath them. I repeat, when somebody well-off, smugly admiring and brown-nosing the righ= t-wing liars, cheaters, thieves loses THEIR job, or THEIR home, THEN I thin= k they will finally see what those on the left figured out a long time ago! "To take more than one needs, if it means somebody else losing out, is wron= g", to paraphrase.. .Carl Marx? NO! Vladimir Lenin? NO! How about St. Frances of Asisi! (so now you can call me a sissi AND a commi= e pinko!) What we need is what happened in Poland, years back...EVERY working man and= woman (and sadly, child) just NOT SHOW UP FOR WORK! When nobody gets their= trash hauled away, their breakfast served, or there power kept on, then maybe we will appreciate those who the damn snobs keep looking down th= eir despicable plastic noses at! Of course, in this country, Bush, Chaney and Assoc. would just call out the= military, and make us work at gunpoint. And if you think THAT can't happen= in a "free country" (free as long as you can afford it), you better look i= nto the history of coal mining! If what happened in Matawan,=20 West-thank God-Virginia doesn't break your heart, you don't HAVE ONE! Whoever said I had a compassionate heart was right..I have a HUGE PASSION a= nd UNBREAKABLE LOVE for the working American, and God help the plutocrat th= at thinks they can change THAT with ill-informed or outright dishonest right-wing rhetoric! I'm poor, but I'm NOT BLIND or STUPID! And this IS related to AM Stereo...I'll say it over a C-QUAM transmitter wi= th a 15 second delay between channels, so that in case anything is missed, = it can be heard AGAIN!=20 I could go on, but at a b.p. of 180/100 and rising, I better stop... I can't afford a doctor if I "blow a gasket"... G --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:40 AM > Don, >=20 > Thats not even practical thought. If the taxpayers (which > are every single american) dont pay off the debt who will?=20 > You misunderstand what this country is about then if you > think we shouldn't pay our fair share. Yes I think > taxes are high and higher than should be but its the middle > class that pays the brunt of taxes, not the rich. We all > though own this country and we all have to do our part.=20 > Therefore we all must pay the debt off and I am for paying > the debt off. Why sir should we be indebted to China and > keep borrowing money we don't have? As I said I dont > claim one side. I can see BS on both sides. The debt > though needs to be paid down. We need to get away from any > dependence on other countries. We also need to bring back > our own manufacturing. American Made used to be a thing of > pride. What is made in America anymore? We don't > like taxes but we are all stewards of this country and we > must pay our part no matter how > unfair it may be. It's our civic duty. It all > depends on perspective. Now income taxes are one thing and > I think all that needs overhauling. The whole tax code > should be scrapped and designed as a fair system across the > board. Yes that should be done. At the end of the day > though it still comes down to the fact we are all stewards > of this place and we have to pay our part. Whether or not > you think its wrong or right. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: >=20 > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:36 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > One doesn't have to look far to find vocal liberals in > the news media. Unbiased media seems to be difficult to > find: >=20 > Let's see ... >=20 > ABC's Claire Shipman says the taxpayers, not the > politicians, should sacrifice to close the budget deficit: > "If every American were to pitch in $2,000, we could > pay off this year's deficit. ... Or, if we handed over, > each of us, 500 gallons of gasoline or, in terms we could > all really understand, if every American gave up 666 lattes > for a year, we could pay off this year's deficit." >=20 > Dan Rather predicts Big Oil will try to manipulate the > election for John McCain: "The people who can affect > the price of oil would prefer a Republican presidential > candidate. Watch the price of oil. If it goes down, which it > may very well, it could help John McCain quite a bit." >=20 > The Associated Press swoons: "It's not only > Obama's youth, eloquence and energy that have stolen > hearts across the Atlantic. Obama has raised expectations of > a chance for the nation to redeem itself in the role that > Europe has loved, respected and relied upon." >=20 > CBS's Mark Phillips melts in Berlin: "The > 200,000-plus crowd confirmed his rock star status, and his > more cooperative sounding rhetoric was what the crowd wanted > to hear." >=20 > Alessandra Stanley of the New York Times rejects charges of > pro-Obama bias with this doozy: "Mr. Obama's > weeklong tour of war zones and foreign capitals is > noteworthy because it is so unusual to see a presidential > candidate act so presidential overseas." >=20 > On "Meet the Press," NBC's Tom Brokaw prods > Al Gore: "How can you, given the passion that you feel > about this issue, turn down the idea that you could be in > the administration as a vice president or as an energy czar > or as both?" >=20 > With a straight face, retiring New York Times reporter > Linda Greenhouse claims, "President Clinton played to > the center, not the left, in selecting Ruth Bader Ginsburg > and Stephen G. Breyer." >=20 > NBC labels the late Jesse Helms an "outspoken > ultra-rightist, " but waxed about Howard Metzenbaum as > a "populist" who "always fought for the > little guy." >=20 > NBC's Matt Lauer presses Barack Obama -- as not liberal > enough, quoting hotheads at the New York Times: "Sen. > Obama is not just tacking gently toward the center. He's > lurching right when it suits him, he's zigging with the > kind of reckless abandon that's guaranteed to cause > disillusion, if not whiplash." >=20 > New polls from battleground states delight MSNBC's > Chris Matthews: "I'm thrilled with this. > Obama's strength in the Northeast, the West Coast and > the Great Lakes." >=20 > CBS's Katie Couric sees bias now: "However you > feel about her politics, I feel that Sen. Clinton received > some of the most unfair, hostile coverage I've ever > seen." >=20 > And Time's former Washington Bureau Chief Margaret > Carlson pens, "If there's anything we need to > rescue us from the last eight years, it's brains, good > judgment and experience. Obama has the first two. Gore has > all three." >=20 > NBC's Lee Cowan waxes, "In victory and in defeat > Michelle Obama had always been there, dressed as brightly as > her husband's smile." ... In reference to John > McCain's wife Cindy, New York Times reporter Alessandra > Stanley writes: "As the Equal Rights Amendment faded as > a cause and conservatism made a comeback, Republican spouses > became ever more careful to stay three steps behind their > men and the times." >=20 > Former ABC reporter Linda Douglass, now an Obama > spokesperson, reveals the obvious: "I have fundamental > differences with John McCain on the issues and always have. > I don't have any problem criticizing John McCain." >=20 > AP reporter Charles Babington cheers: "Obama is > something special, a man who makes difficult tasks look > easy, who seems to touch millions of diverse people with a > message of hope that somehow doesn't sound Pollyannaish. > "
 Conservative columnist Bob Novak tells it > like it is: "I've been covering presidential > campaigns since 1960. I have always said I have never seen > the media as much entranced by a candidate than when they > were in my very first campaign, in 1960, when they were for > JFK. But I'm telling you right now, the enchantment with > Obama beats the JFK syndrome." >=20 > Other than these, Bob, there are no liberals in the news > media - just honest unbiased reporting. >=20 > Don >=20 > --- >=20 > -- clemsonbloke wrote: > Then you are wrong. If you are right then why aren't > you teaching the class? As a matter of fact why aren't > anyone else on here teaching it since you are right? So you > are saying the professors and folks who write the books are > complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What > passes for education? What passes for ignorance on here > amazes me. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net > wrote: >=20 > From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net .net> > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM >=20 > At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just > that. Much of what passes for higher education nowadays is > balderdash, especially in the liberal arts. And I say that > as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, though I > had 95% of everything done by 83. >=20 > Scott > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: clemsonbloke=20 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 >=20 > Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what > I said it was about unless you are saying that my professors > are wrong and that the textbooks are wrong! >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > http://www.usfamily .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 3.7.=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "scottn0bst@usfamily .net" scottn0bst@usfam= ily .net amstereodude Thu Aug 7, 2008 6:35 pm (PDT) Answers interspersed- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 I've got a good idea (which means we will probably never see it happen): Why not get rid of the income tax altogether, and tax only goods and servic= es? That way, the rich who just HAVE to have the 12 Mercedes and the gazill= ion room house WILL pay their fair share, while the poorest among us will p= ay only what they can. Leave taxes off of basic needs, such as food and hou= sing. If we do it right, it WILL work! --We finally agree on something! Not only will it do that, but it'll tap th= e wealth of the underground economy like pimps and drug pushers. I know at least one state (can't remember which one, north-east area?) has done this with success. I'm sick to death of the excuses for the rich, "but they provide jobs!", RE= ALLY??? Where?!? in Mexico? In China? WHERE? Sure as hell not here in Michigan! Oh,= OK, maybe in the "Service Industry" (what a euphemism!) slaving over a hot= hamburger grill, or sweating their brains out in a factory, for a wage tha= t can barely support one person, let alone a family.=20 --Well, MY job for one. Ed Atsinger and Stu Epperson are absolutely brillia= nt business people and I don't feel the least bit exploited. Our advertiser= s are also American workers. If things are as bad in Michigan as you say, a= nd I fully believe it, consider which political party has had near hegemony= for the past several decades. They've priced themselves out of the market.= The cost of goverment adds to the cost of goods and services. So do excess= ive union demands. Believe it or not I say that with a twinge of sadness be= cause I know very well the good they did for the worker in decades gone by.= But they got too big for their breeches and the less expensive imports kic= ked their butts. That is just OBSCENE! And yet the "religious right" (which is frankly neith= er!) finds it OK...so exploitation and abuse are Christian values? --What cartoon book are you reading anyway? Not in MY Bible!=20 When the Bible was being written it wasn't uncommon for the rich not to pay= their workers and the prophets rightly condemned them. Nowadays the rich g= et hammered for problems caused by entirely other factors, but it's just ea= sier to blame "the rich" rather than the government. "But we shouldn't tax the rich to feed the poor". Let's hear BOTH sides of = the story! Who's labor, sweat, and blood did they use to GET rich? Largely their own, if they're people like the inventor of multiband process= ing- Mike Dorrough. The idle rich are people like Ted Kennedy, Al Gore and = John Kerry. BTW, if you want to talk about the rich oppressing the poor, ta= ke a GOOD look at George Soros! This guy has actually bankrupted smaller co= untries to get his wealth, and yet he's a chief financier of the leftist ca= uses near and dear to your heart. As for America's poor, how many are actua= lly addicted to handouts, aka welfare? A good chunk of them, I'd say. A pov= erty of values can cause economic poverty as surely as a stockmarket crash. Whether by hitting it good in the market, inheriting it, or outright exploi= ting it, SOMEBODY got their hands dirty doing the grunt work, or even riski= ng their health or very life...and it damn sure wasn't the rich, as such en= deavors are light-years beneath them. --Rubbish! Not to say it never happens, but the people who've recently beco= me rich often built their empires with their own time and sweat. I repeat, when somebody well-off, smugly admiring and brown-nosing the righ= t-wing liars, cheaters, thieves loses THEIR job, or THEIR home, THEN I thin= k they will finally see what those on the left figured out a long time ago! --Those classified as "the rich" is not a static list. Many rich people hav= e lost it all, including Henry Ford. The guy went broke five times before F= ord Motors took off. "To take more than one needs, if it means somebody else losing out, is wron= g", to paraphrase.. .Carl Marx? NO! Vladimir Lenin? NO! How about St. Frances of Asisi! (so now you can call me a sissi AND a commi= e pinko!) --Well then, George, you don't really need that computer you're using. You = don't really need an AM stereo radio either if you want to take that argume= nt to its logical conclusion. What we need is what happened in Poland, years back...EVERY working man and= woman (and sadly, child) just NOT SHOW UP FOR WORK! When nobody gets their= trash hauled away, their breakfast served, or there power kept on, then ma= ybe we will appreciate those who the damn snobs keep looking down their des= picable plastic noses at! --In Poland it was the government they were revolting against; the very sam= e type of government Obama will give us if he's elected. Of course the oppr= ession that drove the Poles won't be immediately apparent and it will appea= r to work, at least for a little while. Of course, in this country, Bush, Chaney and Assoc. would just call out the= military, and make us work at gunpoint. And if you think THAT can't happen= in a "free country" (free as long as you can afford it), you better look i= nto the history of coal mining! If what happened in Matawan,=20 West-thank God-Virginia doesn't break your heart, you don't HAVE ONE! --Well, Obama has some unpaid government work planned for kids just out of = high school. Seems you and Clemsonbloke ought to be protesting that. And hi= s civilian security corps and youth work groups- sounds suspiciously like s= omethings out of 1930s Italy and Germany. Whoever said I had a compassionate heart was right..I have a HUGE PASSION a= nd UNBREAKABLE LOVE for the working American, and God help the plutocrat th= at thinks they can change THAT with ill-informed or outright dishonest right-wing rhetoric! I'm poor, but I'm NOT BLIND or STUPID! And this IS related to AM Stereo...I'll say it over a C-QUAM transmitter wi= th a 15 second delay between channels, so that in case anything is missed, = it can be heard AGAIN!=20 --I've got a rant that I'll put in it's own posting about this. I could go on, but at a b.p. of 180/100 and rising, I better stop... I can't afford a doctor if I "blow a gasket"... --keep going... --Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 3.8.=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo. com wlx1430= Thu Aug 7, 2008 8:01 pm (PDT) Yeah, Eagle is the top of the crop! My dad w= as a scoutmaster, so you can guess I was in it, too. Your right, we have steered a bit away from AM Stereo, but honestly, I have= thoroughly enjoyed your take on things, Kevin. Feel free to "rant" all you like directly to my email address, above. I sense a kindred spirit...a free thinker...not enough of us out there! George --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 3:53 PM > Well said ! I love the "ill say it over > CQUAM....... .." ha! Agreed but you know they all > just loved this character on the stage called Bush. Well > has anyone done any ressearch? I thin not because if they > did they'd see he and his family are goody goody with > the Saudi Royal Family. To me, in light of current > affairs, this should be looked at as treason to this > country!! Yes it's these big rich folk who are planning > the take over of this country and they've hoodwinked > SOME of these poor people out here into supporting their > cause by using religion and other causes. Do I believe > Bush when he says he's this big christian guy? His > actions are not that representative of such if you ask me.=20 > See he sold all these idiots a lie and they bought it. Oh > the faith based this and faith based that. Yeah right it > was nothing more than a lie sold to that segment of people > to get a vote. The sad thing is they never even picked up > on it. I heard so > many people saying "oh bush is a good christian > man" ! Poppycock! If he was then why didn't > he do anything to help the people of Katrina? He was > caught with his pants down on that one while he stood there > and studdered. No none of these followers on this list > will convince me otherwise. If they can't see the > crimes committed by these people then they are blind. Yeah > and what about nation building schemes? Wait I doubt > anyone understands what that even is. Well let me tell > you. What they do is go in and claim someone did this or > that to us and destroy their country. They then send these > companies over there to rebuild what was torn up. Thats > huge business and these companies make billions. Plain and > simple. Go in and tear someones back yard up just to make > billions off rebuilding them. Iraq had nothing to do with > september 11....afghanistan was where the problem was. If > people don't know that then they are complete > uninformed idiots. That was the biggest diversion in > history. Criminals I say criminals. I love my country > but not what these idiots have turned it into. Hell I made > Eagle Scout (only 2% of all scouts ever make that!) so I > think I know my country and what it should be and I love my > country. It's just sad to see what a few idiots have > done to it and our freedoms. We used to laugh at Russia > and their cameras on the streets and how they watched and > controlled their people. Now we are turning into the same > thing. Bottom line is people need to wake up before we > lose it all.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, george russell > wrote: >=20 > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:33 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I've got a good idea (which means we will probably > never see it happen): > Why not get rid of the income tax altogether, and tax only > goods and services? That way, the rich who just HAVE to have > the 12 Mercedes and the gazillion room house WILL pay their > fair share, while the poorest among us will pay only what > they can. Leave taxes off of basic needs, such as food and > housing. If we do it right, it WILL work! > I know at least one state (can't remember which one, > north-east area?) > has done this with success. > I'm sick to death of the excuses for the rich, > "but they provide jobs!", REALLY??? > Where?!? in Mexico? In China? WHERE? Sure as hell not here > in Michigan! Oh, OK, maybe in the "Service > Industry" (what a euphemism!) slaving over a hot > hamburger grill, or sweating their brains out in a factory, > for a wage that can barely support one person, let alone a > family.=20 > That is just OBSCENE! And yet the "religious > right" (which is frankly neither!) finds it OK...so > exploitation and abuse are Christian values? > Not in MY Bible!=20 > "But we shouldn't tax the rich to feed the > poor". Let's hear BOTH sides of the story! > Who's labor, sweat, and blood did they use to GET rich? > Whether by hitting it good in the market, inheriting it, or > outright exploiting it, SOMEBODY got their hands dirty doing > the grunt work, or even risking their health or very > life...and it damn sure wasn't the rich, > as such endeavors are light-years beneath them. > I repeat, when somebody well-off, smugly admiring and > brown-nosing the right-wing liars, cheaters, thieves loses > THEIR job, or THEIR home, THEN I think they will finally see > what those on the left figured out a long time ago! > "To take more than one needs, if it means somebody > else losing out, is wrong", to paraphrase.. .Carl Marx? > NO! Vladimir Lenin? NO! > How about St. Frances of Asisi! (so now you can call me a > sissi AND a commie pinko!) > What we need is what happened in Poland, years back...EVERY > working man and woman (and sadly, child) just NOT SHOW UP > FOR WORK! When nobody gets their trash hauled away, their > breakfast served, or there power kept on, > then maybe we will appreciate those who the damn snobs keep > looking down their despicable plastic noses at! > Of course, in this country, Bush, Chaney and Assoc. would > just call out the military, and make us work at gunpoint. > And if you think THAT can't happen in a "free > country" (free as long as you can afford it), you > better look into the history of coal mining! If what > happened in Matawan,=20 > West-thank God-Virginia doesn't break your heart, you > don't HAVE ONE! > Whoever said I had a compassionate heart was right..I have > a HUGE PASSION and UNBREAKABLE LOVE for the working > American, and God help the plutocrat that thinks they can > change THAT with ill-informed or outright dishonest > right-wing rhetoric! I'm poor, but I'm NOT BLIND or > STUPID! > And this IS related to AM Stereo...I'll say it over a > C-QUAM transmitter with a 15 second delay between channels, > so that in case anything is missed, it can be heard AGAIN!=20 > I could go on, but at a b.p. of 180/100 and rising, I > better stop... > I can't afford a doctor if I "blow a > gasket"... > G >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke yahoo.co. uk> wrote: >=20 > > From: clemsonbloke > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:40 AM > > Don, > >=20 > > Thats not even practical thought. If the taxpayers > (which > > are every single american) dont pay off the debt who > will?=20 > > You misunderstand what this country is about then if > you > > think we shouldn't pay our fair share. Yes I > think > > taxes are high and higher than should be but its the > middle > > class that pays the brunt of taxes, not the rich. We > all > > though own this country and we all have to do our > part.=20 > > Therefore we all must pay the debt off and I am for > paying > > the debt off. Why sir should we be indebted to China > and > > keep borrowing money we don't have? As I said I > dont > > claim one side. I can see BS on both sides. The > debt > > though needs to be paid down. We need to get away > from any > > dependence on other countries. We also need to bring > back > > our own manufacturing. American Made used to be a > thing of > > pride. What is made in America anymore? We > don't > > like taxes but we are all stewards of this country and > we > > must pay our part no matter how > > unfair it may be. It's our civic duty. It all > > depends on perspective. Now income taxes are one > thing and > > I think all that needs overhauling. The whole tax > code > > should be scrapped and designed as a fair system > across the > > board. Yes that should be done. At the end of the > day > > though it still comes down to the fact we are all > stewards > > of this place and we have to pay our part. Whether > or not > > you think its wrong or right. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, W6YN Don Milbury > > > wrote: > >=20 > > From: W6YN Don Milbury > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:36 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > One doesn't have to look far to find vocal > liberals in > > the news media. Unbiased media seems to be difficult > to > > find: > >=20 > > Let's see ... > >=20 > > ABC's Claire Shipman says the taxpayers, not the > > politicians, should sacrifice to close the budget > deficit: > > "If every American were to pitch in $2,000, we > could > > pay off this year's deficit. ... Or, if we handed > over, > > each of us, 500 gallons of gasoline or, in terms we > could > > all really understand, if every American gave up 666 > lattes > > for a year, we could pay off this year's > deficit." > >=20 > > Dan Rather predicts Big Oil will try to manipulate the > > election for John McCain: "The people who can > affect > > the price of oil would prefer a Republican > presidential > > candidate. Watch the price of oil. If it goes down, > which it > > may very well, it could help John McCain quite a > bit." > >=20 > > The Associated Press swoons: "It's not only > > Obama's youth, eloquence and energy that have > stolen > > hearts across the Atlantic. Obama has raised > expectations of > > a chance for the nation to redeem itself in the role > that > > Europe has loved, respected and relied upon." > >=20 > > CBS's Mark Phillips melts in Berlin: "The > > 200,000-plus crowd confirmed his rock star status, and > his > > more cooperative sounding rhetoric was what the crowd > wanted > > to hear." > >=20 > > Alessandra Stanley of the New York Times rejects > charges of > > pro-Obama bias with this doozy: "Mr. Obama's > > weeklong tour of war zones and foreign capitals is > > noteworthy because it is so unusual to see a > presidential > > candidate act so presidential overseas." > >=20 > > On "Meet the Press," NBC's Tom Brokaw > prods > > Al Gore: "How can you, given the passion that you > feel > > about this issue, turn down the idea that you could be > in > > the administration as a vice president or as an energy > czar > > or as both?" > >=20 > > With a straight face, retiring New York Times reporter > > Linda Greenhouse claims, "President Clinton > played to > > the center, not the left, in selecting Ruth Bader > Ginsburg > > and Stephen G. Breyer." > >=20 > > NBC labels the late Jesse Helms an "outspoken > > ultra-rightist, " but waxed about Howard > Metzenbaum as > > a "populist" who "always fought for the > > little guy." > >=20 > > NBC's Matt Lauer presses Barack Obama -- as not > liberal > > enough, quoting hotheads at the New York Times: > "Sen. > > Obama is not just tacking gently toward the center. > He's > > lurching right when it suits him, he's zigging > with the > > kind of reckless abandon that's guaranteed to > cause > > disillusion, if not whiplash." > >=20 > > New polls from battleground states delight MSNBC's > > Chris Matthews: "I'm thrilled with this. > > Obama's strength in the Northeast, the West Coast > and > > the Great Lakes." > >=20 > > CBS's Katie Couric sees bias now: "However > you > > feel about her politics, I feel that Sen. Clinton > received > > some of the most unfair, hostile coverage I've > ever > > seen." > >=20 > > And Time's former Washington Bureau Chief Margaret > > Carlson pens, "If there's anything we need to > > rescue us from the last eight years, it's brains, > good > > judgment and experience. Obama has the first two. Gore > has > > all three." > >=20 > > NBC's Lee Cowan waxes, "In victory and in > defeat > > Michelle Obama had always been there, dressed as > brightly as > > her husband's smile." ... In reference to > John > > McCain's wife Cindy, New York Times reporter > Alessandra > > Stanley writes: "As the Equal Rights Amendment > faded as > > a cause and conservatism made a comeback, Republican > spouses > > became ever more careful to stay three steps behind > their > > men and the times." > >=20 > > Former ABC reporter Linda Douglass, now an Obama > > spokesperson, reveals the obvious: "I have > fundamental > > differences with John McCain on the issues and always > have. > > I don't have any problem criticizing John > McCain." > >=20 > > AP reporter Charles Babington cheers: "Obama is > > something special, a man who makes difficult tasks > look > > easy, who seems to touch millions of diverse people > with a > > message of hope that somehow doesn't sound > Pollyannaish. > > "
 Conservative columnist Bob Novak > tells it > > like it is: "I've been covering presidential > > campaigns since 1960. I have always said I have never > seen > > the media as much entranced by a candidate than when > they > > were in my very first campaign, in 1960, when they > were for > > JFK. But I'm telling you right now, the > enchantment with > > Obama beats the JFK syndrome." > >=20 > > Other than these, Bob, there are no liberals in the > news > > media - just honest unbiased reporting. > >=20 > > Don > >=20 > > --- > >=20 > > -- clemsonbloke > wrote: > > Then you are wrong. If you are right then why > aren't > > you teaching the class? As a matter of fact why > aren't > > anyone else on here teaching it since you are right? > So you > > are saying the professors and folks who write the > books are > > complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What > > passes for education? What passes for ignorance on > here > > amazes me. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net > > wrote: > >=20 > > From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net usfamily > > .net> > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM > >=20 > > At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just > > that. Much of what passes for higher education > nowadays is > > balderdash, especially in the liberal arts. And I say > that > > as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, > though I > > had 95% of everything done by 83. > >=20 > > Scott > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: clemsonbloke=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 > >=20 > > Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about > what > > I said it was about unless you are saying that my > professors > > are wrong and that the textbooks are wrong! > >=20 > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > > http://www.usfamily .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! > Groups > > Links > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 3.9.=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "J Gualda Q Media" gualdaj@bellsouth. net i= owacane Thu Aug 7, 2008 8:02 pm (PDT)=20 From: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. c= om] On Behalf Of scottn0bst@usfamily .net Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:00 PM To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio "I have yet to meet ANYONE who says Iraq had anything to do with it".=20 Scott Todd Oh boy ! I have stayed out of this mess, until this ignorant comment about 9/11 and Iraq. Let me start with the first one that comes to mind, and until recently stil= l repeated this retarded mantra.Our beloved Dick Cheney. I can fill this page with quotes, but anyone with Internet and a half a brain can search for themselves. I guess it's a case of repeat something enough, and they will believe it. Do you listen to any media besides Fox or the Right wing blowhards ? My God...NOW I know why the Right leaning talk shows do so well..It all makes sense now. Juan Fox....we report, YOU decide [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 4a.=20 Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? Posted by: "John P." toledoham= radio@ yahoo.com toledohamradio Thu Aug 7, 2008 10:38 am (PDT) Somebody wro= te: "...Sony...XDR- F1HD is an attractive and affordable component tuner. D= oes anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well?..." Good question; I'm selling my Visteon HD Jump radio right now as it does no= t decode CQuam (somebody said that their Visteon car radio did though). Despite claims that the Directed Electronics units decode CQuam - that's a = happy thought, as I cannot decode CFCO in stereo, nor playing around adjust= ing my Aspysis CQuam transmitter, can I get AM stereo decoding. Has anybody else tried the Visteon, and can they get it to decode CQuam? The Sangean HD, revised tuner, seems to be the ticket, but it's still over = $200; the Sony would be great if it could, but I'm willing to bet it has a = POS AM tuner with crappy bandwidth but a smokin' hot FM tuner, like most of= the HD's.=20 I've been extremely happy with the FM tuners in the HD radios I've used. Fi= rst adjacent FM channels come back to life that I haven't heard since the 7= 0's!! and the RDS is pretty sweet. They still need a "force to analog" swit= ch though.=20 Could somebody start a new AM-HD-Stereo Station Listing, as it seems that t= here's even less HD-AM-Stereo than there are CQuam AM Stereo! Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (6)=20 4b.=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? Posted by: "Powell E. Way = III" w4opw@yahoo. com W4OPW Thu Aug 7, 2008 10:39 am (PDT)=20 Don't know about the bandwidth, but it would pick up AM HD that NO OTHER un= it would. The FM is above amazing I have also heard.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (6)=20 4c.=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? Posted by: "clemsonbloke" = clemsonbloke@ yahoo.co. uk clemsonbloke Thu Aug 7, 2008 1:00 pm (PDT) I don= 't know but i've read a lot of glowing reports over the Sony. I've heard it= 's a better tuner than many others out there. The one thing I can't seem to= find out though is whether it decodes CQUAM. -Kevin --- On Thu, 8/7/08, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:38 PM Somebody wrote: "...Sony...XDR- F1HD is an attractive and affordable compon= ent tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well?..." Good question; I'm selling my Visteon HD Jump radio right now as it does no= t decode CQuam (somebody said that their Visteon car radio did though). Despite claims that the Directed Electronics units decode CQuam - that's a = happy thought, as I cannot decode CFCO in stereo, nor playing around adjust= ing my Aspysis CQuam transmitter, can I get AM stereo decoding. Has anybody else tried the Visteon, and can they get it to decode CQuam? The Sangean HD, revised tuner, seems to be the ticket, but it's still over = $200; the Sony would be great if it could, but I'm willing to bet it has a = POS AM tuner with crappy bandwidth but a smokin' hot FM tuner, like most of= the HD's.=20 I've been extremely happy with the FM tuners in the HD radios I've used. Fi= rst adjacent FM channels come back to life that I haven't heard since the 7= 0's!! and the RDS is pretty sweet. They still need a "force to analog" swit= ch though.=20 Could somebody start a new AM-HD-Stereo Station Listing, as it seems that t= here's even less HD-AM-Stereo than there are CQuam AM Stereo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (6)=20 4d.=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? Posted by: "Norbert 26" st= arship_2001@ msn.com starship20012001 Thu Aug 7, 2008 2:02 pm (PDT) it does= not decode c-quam=20 http://www.ham- radio.com/ k6sti/xdr- f1hd.htm -----Original Message----- From: clemsonbloke Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 4:00 PM To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? I don't know but i've read a lot of glowing reports over the Sony.=EF=BF=BD= I've heard it's a better tuner than many others out there.=EF=BF=BD The on= e thing I can't seem to find out though is whether it decodes CQUAM. =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD -Kevin --- On Thu, 8/7/08, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:38 PM Somebody wrote: "...Sony...XDR- F1HD is an attractive and affordable compon= ent tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well?..." Good question; I'm selling my Visteon HD Jump radio right now as it does no= t decode CQuam (somebody said that their Visteon car radio did though). Despite claims that the Directed Electronics units decode CQuam - that's a = happy thought, as I cannot decode CFCO in stereo, nor playing around adjust= ing my Aspysis CQuam transmitter, can I get AM stereo decoding. Has anybody else tried the Visteon, and can they get it to decode CQuam? The Sangean HD, revised tuner, seems to be the ticket, but it's still over = $200; the Sony would be great if it could, but I'm willing to bet it has a = POS AM tuner with crappy bandwidth but a smokin' hot FM tuner, like most of= the HD's.=20 I've been extremely happy with the FM tuners in the HD radios I've used. Fi= rst adjacent FM channels come back to life that I haven't heard since the 7= 0's!! and the RDS is pretty sweet. They still need a "force to analog" swit= ch though.=20 Could somebody start a new AM-HD-Stereo Station Listing, as it seems that t= here's even less HD-AM-Stereo than there are CQuam AM Stereo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (6)=20 4e.=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? Posted by: "clemsonbloke" = clemsonbloke@ yahoo.co. uk clemsonbloke Thu Aug 7, 2008 2:12 pm (PDT) Well = isn't that a shame for an otherwise decent tuner? While we are on the subje= ct lets pose a question that I rarely ever hear answers to. Ok so if its in= evitable, HD that is, then what about Stereo on AM HD? Now I understand tha= t AM Stereo on HD is possible but I've heard very little about it being imp= lemented. Do the experts on our forum think that if HD takes off for AM at = some point.....will it be stereo? I know that AM has had a good bit of trou= ble with HD. I'm sure as the technology progesses things perhaps will be wo= rked out but what about the stereo aspect? It's just hard for me to fathom = in almost 2009 that everything AM and FM isn't stereo. -Kevin --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Norbert 26 wrote: From: Norbert 26 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 5:02 PM it does not decode c-quam=20 http://www.ham- radio.com/ k6sti/xdr- f1hd.htm -----Original Message----- From: clemsonbloke Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 4:00 PM To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? I don't know but i've read a lot of glowing reports over the Sony.=EF=BF=BD= I've heard it's a better tuner than many others out there.=EF=BF=BD The on= e thing I can't seem to find out though is whether it decodes CQUAM. =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD -Kevin --- On Thu, 8/7/08, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:38 PM Somebody wrote: "...Sony...XDR- F1HD is an attractive and affordable compon= ent tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well?..." Good question; I'm selling my Visteon HD Jump radio right now as it does no= t decode CQuam (somebody said that their Visteon car radio did though). Despite claims that the Directed Electronics units decode CQuam - that's a = happy thought, as I cannot decode CFCO in stereo, nor playing around adjust= ing my Aspysis CQuam transmitter, can I get AM stereo decoding. Has anybody else tried the Visteon, and can they get it to decode CQuam? The Sangean HD, revised tuner, seems to be the ticket, but it's still over = $200; the Sony would be great if it could, but I'm willing to bet it has a = POS AM tuner with crappy bandwidth but a smokin' hot FM tuner, like most of= the HD's.=20 I've been extremely happy with the FM tuners in the HD radios I've used. Fi= rst adjacent FM channels come back to life that I haven't heard since the 7= 0's!! and the RDS is pretty sweet. They still need a "force to analog" swit= ch though.=20 Could somebody start a new AM-HD-Stereo Station Listing, as it seems that t= here's even less HD-AM-Stereo than there are CQuam AM Stereo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (6)=20 4f.=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? Posted by: "Powell E. Way = III" w4opw@yahoo. com W4OPW Thu Aug 7, 2008 3:02 pm (PDT)=20 NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > Well isn't that a shame for an otherwise decent tuner?=20 > While we are on the subject lets pose a question that I > rarely ever hear answers to. Ok so if its inevitable, HD > that is, then what about Stereo on AM HD? Now I understand > that AM Stereo on HD is possible but I've heard very > little about it being implemented.=20 WOR does their HD in stereo.=20 > Do the experts on our > forum think that if HD takes off for AM at some > point.....will it be stereo? I know that AM has had a good > bit of trouble with HD. I'm sure as the technology > progesses things perhaps will be worked out but what about > the stereo aspect? It's just hard for me to fathom in > almost 2009 that everything AM and FM isn't stereo. It can be but the signal has to be strong and interference free.=20 Stereo on FM analog can be a detriment in the mountains, or in areas of sev= ere multipath. Not a problem on VHF HD.=20 Powell Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (6)=20 5.=20 RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo Posted by: "scottn= 0bst@usfamily .net" scottn0bst@usfamily .net amstereodude Thu Aug 7, 2008 7= :30 pm (PDT) This is directed at the political lefties here. I'm ticked and= I'm ready to ditch this list. I've tried to be civil but I'm at a point wh= ere I'm going to unload and I don't care who gets hurt. You finger-pointing= socialists and your hatred of the rich are going to be the death of not on= ly our economy, but the very thing we're on this list to preserve- AM stere= o. Has it never occurred to any of you that we've done absolutely NOTHING o= f any effect to save it? The only way it'll happen is if one or more of us = get rich enough to buy our own stations! But no, you clowns that insist on being good little socialists because it's= "fair", not realizing many problems often are actually the cost of excess = government regulation pricing goods and services out of the market rather t= han "oppression" by "the rich." Not that there haven't been abuses, I'll fu= lly acknowlege that- Enron, Worldcom, etc. Bad business practices will like= ly be with us to the end of time but the alternative is good business pract= ices, not socialism. I'm not sure how or even if good business practices ca= n be legislated. Not sure who said it but there's a saying that goes roughl= y "If we don't let ourselves be governed by a few big rules [a reference to= the ten commandments, I believe] we'll be governed by a lot of little ones= ." Given our myriad of liliputian laws we're well into the latter part of t= he spectrum. I don't like hearing of an executive getting a huge severance just before b= ailing out of a failing company anymore than you do. But I have read a book= on the difference between effective and failing companies and it's called = The Oz Principle. One thing failing companies do is the same thing I've wit= nessed here and that's a lot of finger pointing. God help me to get rich so I can buy some AM stations and put AM stereo on = them. Get your lazy buns out of my way and let me do what needs to get done= . You're complaining is counterproductive. If that offends you, tough cooki= es! I'll gladly be part of the hated rich, though if you insist on voting f= or the socialist Obama I'm sure my currently slim chances will be reduced t= o none. BTW, I'll do everything I can to pay my employees fairly, but given= that radio is one of the most heavily regulated industries and the mulitpl= icity of medial alternatives that didn't exist even a decade ago it's VERY = hard to make a profit. It's NOT necessarily greed that has caused radio's w= oes. Executives aren't all overpaid versions of Arthur Carlson. [That's a W= KRP TV series reference for those too young to know.] Scott Todd I'm surprised I made it through without singling anyone out specifically. 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Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe=20 Michael&Ross [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 07 21:33:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16987 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 04:33:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 04:33:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 04:33:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 83032 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 04:33:46 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:33:46 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 04:33:46 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <188777.76454.qm@web31914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <323648.82900.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 2769 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=oyiTMjtAKP1ww8KcmbzpSPKwwhvcdSIl0SUwrfp6Nz1UraQKpUIu X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Funny Funny! =A0 --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Michael and Ross wrote: From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 2769 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 12:26 AM Yeah we have real nasty Pollies here too like the Torys of the National Par= ty They come on our radio and want to sell everything off,Guess in America = you must have your Tory Pollys as well. amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com wrote: The AM STEREO Forum=20 Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)=20 1.1.=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM From: Phil=20 1.2.=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM From: Powell E. Way III=20 1.3.=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM From: george russell=20 1.4.=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM From: george russell=20 1.5.=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM From: scottn0bst@usfamily .ne= t=20 2a.=20 Re: New Small Town Radio From: W6YN Don Milbury=20 2b.=20 Re: New Small Town Radio From: george russell=20 2c.=20 Re: New Small Town Radio From: clemsonbloke=20 2d.=20 Re: New Small Town Radio From: clemsonbloke=20 3.1.=20 Re: small town radio From: george russell=20 3.2.=20 Re: small town radio From: clemsonbloke=20 3.3.=20 Re: small town radio From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net=20 3.4.=20 Re: small town radio From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net=20 3.5.=20 Re: small town radio From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net=20 3.6.=20 Re: small town radio From: W6YN Don Milbury=20 3.7.=20 Re: small town radio From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net=20 3.8.=20 Re: small town radio From: george russell=20 3.9.=20 Re: small town radio From: J Gualda Q Media=20 4a.=20 Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? From: John P.=20 4b.=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? From: Powell E. Way III=20 4c.=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? From: clemsonbloke=20 4d.=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? From: Norbert 26=20 4e.=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? From: clemsonbloke=20 4f.=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? From: Powell E. Way III=20 5.=20 RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo From: scottn0bst@u= sfamily .net=20 View All Topics | Create New Topic=20 Messages=20 1.1.=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM Posted by: "Phil" tubesarekin= g@ yahoo.ca tubesareking Thu Aug 7, 2008 5:25 am (PDT) Since we are WAY off= topic anyway, I might as well chime in :) Most Canadians do like most Americans. We are more comfortable and=20 assertive of our independence - less touchy, more confident than we=20 used to be. Carbonated beveridges are pop, not soda. Centre is=20 spelled centre, not center. Its Zed, not Zee. LOL. Our economy is less=20 dependent on the USA than it used to be, that helps too. The internet=20 and free trade helps too. The old image of loud mouth American=20 tourists arriving with skis on their roof racks in mid July has been=20 shattered. With my ebay buying and internet groups etc. I have been left with a=20 pretty good impression of the American people. I also, through some=20 online dealings, have an extremely positive impression of "radio=20 people" from Italy. I also have a very positive impression of Chinese and Japanese people,=20 as we have many visitors to PEI from those countries. And, quite a few=20 immigrants from China too. They come accross as very nice and very=20 enthusistic people. Every time some neat new radio loaded with=20 features and with good performance at a great price comes out of China=20 I think to myself how nice it is that manufacturers are making=20 affordable stuff for us radio nuts. As for the American government, most Canadians do not have a good=20 impression of many of the past US presidents. We did not like Nixon,=20 and our prime minister at the time, Pierre Trudeau, knew how to deal=20 with him. Carter was, and still is, well liked. We had mixed feeling=20 about Reagan - we were scared about him because we saw him as so right=20 wing, yet we found him folksy and down to earth - and our prime=20 minister at the time, Brian Mulroney [for all Mulroney's faults] seemed=20 to bring out the best in Ronald Reagan. Bill Clinton generally made a=20 good impression, and we felt that his personal weaknesses were a matter=20 relevant between him and Hillary. George Bush the first was viewed in=20 much higher regard than George W.=20 Our current prime minister, Stephen Harper, is kind of an interesting=20 cat. His normal inclination is pretty right wing. But, since he heads=20 a minority government, his government actually has been pretty=20 centrist. He is pro defense, and I like that - as he is putting much=20 needed funds into the military. He runs a tight ship financially, as=20 did Martin and Chretien before him, with year after year of budget=20 surpluses. He is a bit wooden, some say boring. But public office=20 seems to have guided him toward the Canadian centre. Needless to say, the upcoming US election is pretty interesting. We=20 perceive McCain as pretty moderate for a Republican, although every=20 time I hear his name I still think of frozen french fries and frozen=20 pizzas, due to the New Brunswick based frozen food Canadian multi- national corporation that happens to share his name. Obama intrigues=20 us - so different - perhaps so visionary and progressive. Plus, we may have an election this Fall if the Harper government=20 falls. Right now Harper is hoping Stephan Dion will force an=20 election. I think Harper figures that Dion's Carbon Tax idea will=20 backfire. The thought of heading into winter with an extra tax placed=20 on home heating oil may give Harper a majority. Dumb idea that some=20 aspects of his carbon tax is, there is still something likeable about=20 Dion. Sort of an egg-head academic that is folksy and likeable - like=20 the seemingly ivory tower college prof that was kind and helpful to his=20 students. As for Jack Layton - he is no Ed Broadbent. Ed was, and still is, a=20 great guy. As is Joe Clark. Elizabeth May is a great person who I admire greatly, but I don't think=20 the Green Party is going to get anywhere! Phil Rafuse Stratford PEI Canada Phil --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > >=20 > > Maybe it would be better explained the world doesn't hate us, the=20 > > world's leftists hate us. >=20 > Scott, you have said some pretty close to ignorant things but this=20 > one is probably the top. >=20 > I do not know how well traveled you are. I have been all over the=20 > earth and I can say that most of the nations of the world really=20 > don't like us. Even Canada doesn't like us all that much. >=20 > Kevin > Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (169)=20 1.2.=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM Posted by: "Powell E. Way III= " w4opw@yahoo. com W4OPW Thu Aug 7, 2008 7:58 am (PDT) They love our money P NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 8/6/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 10:33 PM > And China is very leftist. Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (169)=20 1.3.=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM Posted by: "george russell" w= lx1430@yahoo. com wlx1430 Thu Aug 7, 2008 10:51 am (PDT) Phil, do you remem= ber a song called "The Americans", spoken by the late great CKLW newscaster= Byron McGregor? Sums it up nicely, I thought. We must all remember, it is a different thing to hate a country than to hat= e it's government! I detested Stalin, but have many beloved Russian friends. I don't care for the situation between us and Mexico, but that doesn't mean= I can't still love my Mexican son more than life itself! "Love the sinner, hate the sin" as they say...G --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Phil wrote: > From: Phil > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 8:25 AM > Since we are WAY off topic anyway, I might as well chime in > :) >=20 > Most Canadians do like most Americans. We are more > comfortable and=20 > assertive of our independence - less touchy, more confident > than we=20 > used to be. Carbonated beveridges are pop, not soda.=20 > Centre is=20 > spelled centre, not center. Its Zed, not Zee. LOL. Our > economy is less=20 > dependent on the USA than it used to be, that helps too.=20 > The internet=20 > and free trade helps too. The old image of loud mouth > American=20 > tourists arriving with skis on their roof racks in mid July > has been=20 > shattered. >=20 > With my ebay buying and internet groups etc. I have been > left with a=20 > pretty good impression of the American people. I also, > through some=20 > online dealings, have an extremely positive impression of > "radio=20 > people" from Italy. >=20 > I also have a very positive impression of Chinese and > Japanese people,=20 > as we have many visitors to PEI from those countries. And, > quite a few=20 > immigrants from China too. They come accross as very nice > and very=20 > enthusistic people. Every time some neat new radio loaded > with=20 > features and with good performance at a great price comes > out of China=20 > I think to myself how nice it is that manufacturers are > making=20 > affordable stuff for us radio nuts. >=20 > As for the American government, most Canadians do not have > a good=20 > impression of many of the past US presidents. We did not > like Nixon,=20 > and our prime minister at the time, Pierre Trudeau, knew > how to deal=20 > with him. Carter was, and still is, well liked. We had > mixed feeling=20 > about Reagan - we were scared about him because we saw him > as so right=20 > wing, yet we found him folksy and down to earth - and our > prime=20 > minister at the time, Brian Mulroney [for all > Mulroney's faults] seemed=20 > to bring out the best in Ronald Reagan. Bill Clinton > generally made a=20 > good impression, and we felt that his personal weaknesses > were a matter=20 > relevant between him and Hillary. George Bush the first was > viewed in=20 > much higher regard than George W.=20 >=20 > Our current prime minister, Stephen Harper, is kind of an > interesting=20 > cat. His normal inclination is pretty right wing. But, > since he heads=20 > a minority government, his government actually has been > pretty=20 > centrist. He is pro defense, and I like that - as he is > putting much=20 > needed funds into the military. He runs a tight ship > financially, as=20 > did Martin and Chretien before him, with year after year of > budget=20 > surpluses. He is a bit wooden, some say boring. But public > office=20 > seems to have guided him toward the Canadian centre. >=20 > Needless to say, the upcoming US election is pretty > interesting. We=20 > perceive McCain as pretty moderate for a Republican, > although every=20 > time I hear his name I still think of frozen french fries > and frozen=20 > pizzas, due to the New Brunswick based frozen food Canadian > multi- > national corporation that happens to share his name. Obama > intrigues=20 > us - so different - perhaps so visionary and progressive. >=20 > Plus, we may have an election this Fall if the Harper > government=20 > falls. Right now Harper is hoping Stephan Dion will force > an=20 > election. I think Harper figures that Dion's Carbon > Tax idea will=20 > backfire. The thought of heading into winter with an extra > tax placed=20 > on home heating oil may give Harper a majority. Dumb idea > that some=20 > aspects of his carbon tax is, there is still something > likeable about=20 > Dion. Sort of an egg-head academic that is folksy and > likeable - like=20 > the seemingly ivory tower college prof that was kind and > helpful to his=20 > students. >=20 > As for Jack Layton - he is no Ed Broadbent. Ed was, and > still is, a=20 > great guy. As is Joe Clark. >=20 > Elizabeth May is a great person who I admire greatly, but I > don't think=20 > the Green Party is going to get anywhere! >=20 > Phil Rafuse > Stratford PEI Canada >=20 > Phil >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, kevin redding > =20 > wrote: > > > >=20 > > > Maybe it would be better explained the world > doesn't hate us, the=20 > > > world's leftists hate us. > >=20 > > Scott, you have said some pretty close to ignorant > things but this=20 > > one is probably the top. > >=20 > > I do not know how well traveled you are. I have been > all over the=20 > > earth and I can say that most of the nations of the > world really=20 > > don't like us. Even Canada doesn't like us all > that much. > >=20 > > Kevin > > Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (169)=20 1.4.=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM Posted by: "george russell" w= lx1430@yahoo. com wlx1430 Thu Aug 7, 2008 10:52 am (PDT) And that is why th= e U.S. dollar is flying so high today? G --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:58 AM > They love our money >=20 > P >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, kevin redding > wrote: >=20 > > From: kevin redding > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it > won't be C-QUAM > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 10:33 PM > > And China is very leftist. Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (169)=20 1.5.=20 Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM Posted by: "scottn0bst@usfami= ly .net" scottn0bst@usfamily .net amstereodude Thu Aug 7, 2008 6:02 pm (PDT= ) I say this more as an observation rather than an insult- Maybe you're a m= agnet for malcontents. We've got more people applying for immigration than = we can handle, not to mention all the ones who get in anyway from south of = the border. We can't be THAT hated. Scott ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kevin redding=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:44 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > Maybe it would be better explained the world doesn't hate us, the=20 > world's leftists hate us. Scott, you have said some pretty close to ignorant things but this=20 one is probably the top. I do not know how well traveled you are. I have been all over the=20 earth and I can say that most of the nations of the world really=20 don't like us. Even Canada doesn't like us all that much. Kevin ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG.=20 Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1596 - Release Date: 8/6/08 4:5= 5 PM --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (169)=20 2a.=20 Re: New Small Town Radio Posted by: "W6YN Don Milbury" w6yn@juno.com w6yn T= hu Aug 7, 2008 10:12 am (PDT) What started all of the hashing was someone d= ecided it was a good idea to regulate free speech. Free speech is not allow= ing the federal government manage political speech on the public airwaves. Rather than having the government regulate what people can say, we should l= et the market decide what people want to hear. That=92s precisely why the F= airness Doctrine was abandoned, and that=92s why it ought not to be revived= . Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: Alright we've hashed this crap forever and honestly i'm ready for more radi= o talk, this is radio isn't it? We also are straying from the topic of this= forum way too much so I want to bring it back in line. I'd like someone to= adress a recent product. I'd like to hear from one of our resident experts= on this matter. We've all discussed the Sangean HD radio component tuner i= n the past and other models. We all know that the Sangean and that small ra= dio shack radio also decode CQUAM. Sony has recently come out with a compon= ent HD radio tuner. It is the XDR-F1HD and it is an attractive and affordab= le component tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well? Th= at is what i'd like to know. Here is a link to the sony page with this prod= uct: http://www.sonystyl e.com/webapp/ wcs/stores/ servlet/ProductD isplay?catal= ogId =3D10551&storeId=3D 10151&langId=3D -1&productId=3D 8198552921665401 9= 84 Does anyone have any information on this product as far as CQUAM is concern= ed? I know most of the HD units that do in fact decode CQUAM do not adverti= se that fact. Maybe Kevin would know about this? Well what do you folks thi= nk about this unit? I rather like its looks. -Kevin (ClemsonBloke) Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (5)=20 2b.=20 Re: New Small Town Radio Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo. com wlx= 1430 Thu Aug 7, 2008 10:57 am (PDT) I kinda see your point, Don, but how mu= ch of it is really free, anyway? Last time I checked, air-time is NOT cheap! That aside, it is only natural = human nature for a station to allow more time from those they agree with. M= aybe the answer is to go back to the ownership limitations? Bye-Bye, Cheap Channel!!! (and along with it, the anti-C-QUAM and anti-high= -fidelity attitudes they so cherish!) George --- On Thu, 8/7/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:10 PM > What started all of the hashing was someone decided it was a > good idea to regulate free speech. Free speech is not > allowing the federal government manage political speech on > the public airwaves. > Rather than having the government regulate what people can > say, we should let the market decide what people want to > hear. That=B4s precisely why the Fairness Doctrine was > abandoned, and that=B4s why it ought not to be revived. >=20 > Don >=20 > -- clemsonbloke wrote: > Alright we've hashed this crap forever and honestly > i'm ready for more radio talk, this is radio isn't > it? We also are straying from the topic of this forum way > too much so I want to bring it back in line. I'd like > someone to adress a recent product. I'd like to hear > from one of our resident experts on this matter. We've > all discussed the Sangean HD radio component tuner in the > past and other models. We all know that the Sangean and > that small radio shack radio also decode CQUAM. Sony has > recently come out with a component HD radio tuner. It is > the XDR-F1HD and it is an attractive and affordable > component tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes > CQUAM as well? That is what i'd like to know. Here is > a link to the sony page with this product: >=20 > http://www.sonystyl e.com/webapp/ wcs/stores/ servlet/ProductD isplay?cat= alogId =3D10551&storeId=3D 10151&langId=3D -1&productId=3D 8198552921665401= 984 >=20 > Does anyone have any information on this product as far as > CQUAM is concerned? I know most of the HD units that do in > fact decode CQUAM do not advertise that fact. Maybe Kevin > would know about this? Well what do you folks think about > this unit? I rather like its looks. >=20 > -Kevin (ClemsonBloke) Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (5)=20 2c.=20 Re: New Small Town Radio Posted by: "clemsonbloke" clemsonbloke@ yahoo.co. = uk clemsonbloke Thu Aug 7, 2008 12:37 pm (PDT) Don, Thats precisely why it was written, to protect it , so that both sides coul= d be presented. We'll just have to agree to disagree here but as I stated i= t is well past time to move on. I believe this has went way off topic and w= e need to bring it back to AM Stereo.=20 -Kevin --- On Thu, 8/7/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:10 PM What started all of the hashing was someone decided it was a good idea to r= egulate free speech. Free speech is not allowing the federal government man= age political speech on the public airwaves. Rather than having the government regulate what people can say, we should l= et the market decide what people want to hear. That=A2s precisely why the F= airness Doctrine was abandoned, and that=A2s why it ought not to be revived= . Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: Alright we've hashed this crap forever and honestly i'm ready for more radi= o talk, this is radio isn't it? We also are straying from the topic of this= forum way too much so I want to bring it back in line. I'd like someone to= adress a recent product. I'd like to hear from one of our resident experts= on this matter. We've all discussed the Sangean HD radio component tuner i= n the past and other models. We all know that the Sangean and that small ra= dio shack radio also decode CQUAM. Sony has recently come out with a compon= ent HD radio tuner. It is the XDR-F1HD and it is an attractive and affordab= le component tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well? Th= at is what i'd like to know. Here is a link to the sony page with this prod= uct: http://www.sonystyl e.com/webapp/ wcs/stores/ servlet/ProductD isplay?catal= ogId =3D10551&storeId=3D 10151&langId=3D -1&productId=3D 8198552921665401 9= 84 Does anyone have any information on this product as far as CQUAM is concern= ed? I know most of the HD units that do in fact decode CQUAM do not adverti= se that fact. Maybe Kevin would know about this? Well what do you folks thi= nk about this unit? I rather like its looks. -Kevin (ClemsonBloke) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (5)=20 2d.=20 Re: New Small Town Radio Posted by: "clemsonbloke" clemsonbloke@ yahoo.co. = uk clemsonbloke Thu Aug 7, 2008 12:57 pm (PDT) I love the "anti-fidelity" p= art! Very true today with this MP3 stuff and all. It's got a lil better on = that front but MP3 is still MP3. Maybe we should relate it to tape speeds. = 3 3/4 ips. versus the fidelity of 7 1/2 ips. Ha! Love those reel to reels! = ATR Magnetics is supposed to start manufacturing 1/4" open reel tape this y= ear where Ampex/Quantegy left off. Hmm what happend to WORD 1330, its off a= nd buzzing? Gotta go turn it off. Yeah I still listen to it eventhough they= are republican only ! Hey I need to hear what they are saying! Yall be goo= d. --- On Thu, 8/7/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:57 PM I kinda see your point, Don, but how much of it is really free, anyway? Last time I checked, air-time is NOT cheap! That aside, it is only natural = human nature for a station to allow more time from those they agree with. M= aybe the answer is to go back to the ownership limitations? Bye-Bye, Cheap Channel!!! (and along with it, the anti-C-QUAM and anti-high= -fidelity attitudes they so cherish!) George --- On Thu, 8/7/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:10 PM > What started all of the hashing was someone decided it was a > good idea to regulate free speech. Free speech is not > allowing the federal government manage political speech on > the public airwaves. > Rather than having the government regulate what people can > say, we should let the market decide what people want to > hear. That=A2s precisely why the Fairness Doctrine was > abandoned, and that=A2s why it ought not to be revived. >=20 > Don >=20 > -- clemsonbloke wrote: > Alright we've hashed this crap forever and honestly > i'm ready for more radio talk, this is radio isn't > it? We also are straying from the topic of this forum way > too much so I want to bring it back in line. I'd like > someone to adress a recent product. I'd like to hear > from one of our resident experts on this matter. We've > all discussed the Sangean HD radio component tuner in the > past and other models. We all know that the Sangean and > that small radio shack radio also decode CQUAM. Sony has > recently come out with a component HD radio tuner. It is > the XDR-F1HD and it is an attractive and affordable > component tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes > CQUAM as well? That is what i'd like to know. Here is > a link to the sony page with this product: >=20 > http://www.sonystyl e.com/webapp/ wcs/stores/ servlet/ProductD isplay?cat= alogId =3D10551&storeId=3D 10151&langId=3D -1&productId=3D 8198552921665401= 984 >=20 > Does anyone have any information on this product as far as > CQUAM is concerned? I know most of the HD units that do in > fact decode CQUAM do not advertise that fact. Maybe Kevin > would know about this? Well what do you folks think about > this unit? I rather like its looks. >=20 > -Kevin (ClemsonBloke) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (5)=20 3.1.=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo. com wlx1430= Thu Aug 7, 2008 10:33 am (PDT) I've got a good idea (which means we will p= robably never see it happen): Why not get rid of the income tax altogether, and tax only goods and servic= es? That way, the rich who just HAVE to have the 12 Mercedes and the gazill= ion room house WILL pay their fair share, while the poorest among us will p= ay only what they can. Leave taxes off of basic needs, such as food and hou= sing. If we do it right, it WILL work! I know at least one state (can't remember which one, north-east area?) has done this with success. I'm sick to death of the excuses for the rich, "but they provide jobs!", RE= ALLY??? Where?!? in Mexico? In China? WHERE? Sure as hell not here in Michigan! Oh,= OK, maybe in the "Service Industry" (what a euphemism!) slaving over a hot= hamburger grill, or sweating their brains out in a factory, for a wage tha= t can barely support one person, let alone a family.=20 That is just OBSCENE! And yet the "religious right" (which is frankly neith= er!) finds it OK...so exploitation and abuse are Christian values? Not in MY Bible!=20 "But we shouldn't tax the rich to feed the poor". Let's hear BOTH sides of = the story! Who's labor, sweat, and blood did they use to GET rich? Whether by hitting it good in the market, inheriting it, or outright exploi= ting it, SOMEBODY got their hands dirty doing the grunt work, or even riski= ng their health or very life...and it damn sure wasn't the rich, as such endeavors are light-years beneath them. I repeat, when somebody well-off, smugly admiring and brown-nosing the righ= t-wing liars, cheaters, thieves loses THEIR job, or THEIR home, THEN I thin= k they will finally see what those on the left figured out a long time ago! "To take more than one needs, if it means somebody else losing out, is wron= g", to paraphrase.. .Carl Marx? NO! Vladimir Lenin? NO! How about St. Frances of Asisi! (so now you can call me a sissi AND a commi= e pinko!) What we need is what happened in Poland, years back...EVERY working man and= woman (and sadly, child) just NOT SHOW UP FOR WORK! When nobody gets their= trash hauled away, their breakfast served, or there power kept on, then maybe we will appreciate those who the damn snobs keep looking down th= eir despicable plastic noses at! Of course, in this country, Bush, Chaney and Assoc. would just call out the= military, and make us work at gunpoint. And if you think THAT can't happen= in a "free country" (free as long as you can afford it), you better look i= nto the history of coal mining! If what happened in Matawan,=20 West-thank God-Virginia doesn't break your heart, you don't HAVE ONE! Whoever said I had a compassionate heart was right..I have a HUGE PASSION a= nd UNBREAKABLE LOVE for the working American, and God help the plutocrat th= at thinks they can change THAT with ill-informed or outright dishonest right-wing rhetoric! I'm poor, but I'm NOT BLIND or STUPID! And this IS related to AM Stereo...I'll say it over a C-QUAM transmitter wi= th a 15 second delay between channels, so that in case anything is missed, = it can be heard AGAIN!=20 I could go on, but at a b.p. of 180/100 and rising, I better stop... I can't afford a doctor if I "blow a gasket"... G --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:40 AM > Don, >=20 > Thats not even practical thought. If the taxpayers (which > are every single american) dont pay off the debt who will?=20 > You misunderstand what this country is about then if you > think we shouldn't pay our fair share. Yes I think > taxes are high and higher than should be but its the middle > class that pays the brunt of taxes, not the rich. We all > though own this country and we all have to do our part.=20 > Therefore we all must pay the debt off and I am for paying > the debt off. Why sir should we be indebted to China and > keep borrowing money we don't have? As I said I dont > claim one side. I can see BS on both sides. The debt > though needs to be paid down. We need to get away from any > dependence on other countries. We also need to bring back > our own manufacturing. American Made used to be a thing of > pride. What is made in America anymore? We don't > like taxes but we are all stewards of this country and we > must pay our part no matter how > unfair it may be. It's our civic duty. It all > depends on perspective. Now income taxes are one thing and > I think all that needs overhauling. The whole tax code > should be scrapped and designed as a fair system across the > board. Yes that should be done. At the end of the day > though it still comes down to the fact we are all stewards > of this place and we have to pay our part. Whether or not > you think its wrong or right. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: >=20 > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:36 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > One doesn't have to look far to find vocal liberals in > the news media. Unbiased media seems to be difficult to > find: >=20 > Let's see ... >=20 > ABC's Claire Shipman says the taxpayers, not the > politicians, should sacrifice to close the budget deficit: > "If every American were to pitch in $2,000, we could > pay off this year's deficit. ... Or, if we handed over, > each of us, 500 gallons of gasoline or, in terms we could > all really understand, if every American gave up 666 lattes > for a year, we could pay off this year's deficit." >=20 > Dan Rather predicts Big Oil will try to manipulate the > election for John McCain: "The people who can affect > the price of oil would prefer a Republican presidential > candidate. Watch the price of oil. If it goes down, which it > may very well, it could help John McCain quite a bit." >=20 > The Associated Press swoons: "It's not only > Obama's youth, eloquence and energy that have stolen > hearts across the Atlantic. Obama has raised expectations of > a chance for the nation to redeem itself in the role that > Europe has loved, respected and relied upon." >=20 > CBS's Mark Phillips melts in Berlin: "The > 200,000-plus crowd confirmed his rock star status, and his > more cooperative sounding rhetoric was what the crowd wanted > to hear." >=20 > Alessandra Stanley of the New York Times rejects charges of > pro-Obama bias with this doozy: "Mr. Obama's > weeklong tour of war zones and foreign capitals is > noteworthy because it is so unusual to see a presidential > candidate act so presidential overseas." >=20 > On "Meet the Press," NBC's Tom Brokaw prods > Al Gore: "How can you, given the passion that you feel > about this issue, turn down the idea that you could be in > the administration as a vice president or as an energy czar > or as both?" >=20 > With a straight face, retiring New York Times reporter > Linda Greenhouse claims, "President Clinton played to > the center, not the left, in selecting Ruth Bader Ginsburg > and Stephen G. Breyer." >=20 > NBC labels the late Jesse Helms an "outspoken > ultra-rightist, " but waxed about Howard Metzenbaum as > a "populist" who "always fought for the > little guy." >=20 > NBC's Matt Lauer presses Barack Obama -- as not liberal > enough, quoting hotheads at the New York Times: "Sen. > Obama is not just tacking gently toward the center. He's > lurching right when it suits him, he's zigging with the > kind of reckless abandon that's guaranteed to cause > disillusion, if not whiplash." >=20 > New polls from battleground states delight MSNBC's > Chris Matthews: "I'm thrilled with this. > Obama's strength in the Northeast, the West Coast and > the Great Lakes." >=20 > CBS's Katie Couric sees bias now: "However you > feel about her politics, I feel that Sen. Clinton received > some of the most unfair, hostile coverage I've ever > seen." >=20 > And Time's former Washington Bureau Chief Margaret > Carlson pens, "If there's anything we need to > rescue us from the last eight years, it's brains, good > judgment and experience. Obama has the first two. Gore has > all three." >=20 > NBC's Lee Cowan waxes, "In victory and in defeat > Michelle Obama had always been there, dressed as brightly as > her husband's smile." ... In reference to John > McCain's wife Cindy, New York Times reporter Alessandra > Stanley writes: "As the Equal Rights Amendment faded as > a cause and conservatism made a comeback, Republican spouses > became ever more careful to stay three steps behind their > men and the times." >=20 > Former ABC reporter Linda Douglass, now an Obama > spokesperson, reveals the obvious: "I have fundamental > differences with John McCain on the issues and always have. > I don't have any problem criticizing John McCain." >=20 > AP reporter Charles Babington cheers: "Obama is > something special, a man who makes difficult tasks look > easy, who seems to touch millions of diverse people with a > message of hope that somehow doesn't sound Pollyannaish. > "
 Conservative columnist Bob Novak tells it > like it is: "I've been covering presidential > campaigns since 1960. I have always said I have never seen > the media as much entranced by a candidate than when they > were in my very first campaign, in 1960, when they were for > JFK. But I'm telling you right now, the enchantment with > Obama beats the JFK syndrome." >=20 > Other than these, Bob, there are no liberals in the news > media - just honest unbiased reporting. >=20 > Don >=20 > --- >=20 > -- clemsonbloke wrote: > Then you are wrong. If you are right then why aren't > you teaching the class? As a matter of fact why aren't > anyone else on here teaching it since you are right? So you > are saying the professors and folks who write the books are > complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What > passes for education? What passes for ignorance on here > amazes me. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net > wrote: >=20 > From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net .net> > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM >=20 > At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just > that. Much of what passes for higher education nowadays is > balderdash, especially in the liberal arts. And I say that > as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, though I > had 95% of everything done by 83. >=20 > Scott > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: clemsonbloke=20 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 >=20 > Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what > I said it was about unless you are saying that my professors > are wrong and that the textbooks are wrong! >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > http://www.usfamily .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 3.2.=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "clemsonbloke" clemsonbloke@ yahoo.co. uk c= lemsonbloke Thu Aug 7, 2008 12:53 pm (PDT) Well said ! I love the "ill say = it over CQUAM....... .." ha! Agreed but you know they all just loved this c= haracter on the stage called Bush. Well has anyone done any ressearch? I th= in not because if they did they'd see he and his family are goody goody wit= h the Saudi Royal Family. To me, in light of current affairs, this should b= e looked at as treason to this country!! Yes it's these big rich folk who a= re planning the take over of this country and they've hoodwinked SOME of th= ese poor people out here into supporting their cause by using religion and = other causes. Do I believe Bush when he says he's this big christian guy? H= is actions are not that representative of such if you ask me. See he sold a= ll these idiots a lie and they bought it. Oh the faith based this and faith= based that. Yeah right it was nothing more than a lie sold to that segment of people to get a vote. The sad thing is they never even picked up= on it. I heard so many people saying "oh bush is a good christian man" ! Poppycock! If he was= then why didn't he do anything to help the people of Katrina? He was caugh= t with his pants down on that one while he stood there and studdered. No no= ne of these followers on this list will convince me otherwise. If they can'= t see the crimes committed by these people then they are blind. Yeah and wh= at about nation building schemes? Wait I doubt anyone understands what that= even is. Well let me tell you. What they do is go in and claim someone did= this or that to us and destroy their country. They then send these compani= es over there to rebuild what was torn up. Thats huge business and these co= mpanies make billions. Plain and simple. Go in and tear someones back yard = up just to make billions off rebuilding them. Iraq had nothing to do with s= eptember 11....afghanistan was where the problem was. If people don't know = that then they are complete uninformed idiots. That was the biggest diversion in history. Criminals I s= ay criminals. I love my country but not what these idiots have turned it in= to. Hell I made Eagle Scout (only 2% of all scouts ever make that!) so I th= ink I know my country and what it should be and I love my country. It's jus= t sad to see what a few idiots have done to it and our freedoms. We used to= laugh at Russia and their cameras on the streets and how they watched and = controlled their people. Now we are turning into the same thing. Bottom lin= e is people need to wake up before we lose it all.=20 --- On Thu, 8/7/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:33 PM I've got a good idea (which means we will probably never see it happen): Why not get rid of the income tax altogether, and tax only goods and servic= es? That way, the rich who just HAVE to have the 12 Mercedes and the gazill= ion room house WILL pay their fair share, while the poorest among us will p= ay only what they can. Leave taxes off of basic needs, such as food and hou= sing. If we do it right, it WILL work! I know at least one state (can't remember which one, north-east area?) has done this with success. I'm sick to death of the excuses for the rich, "but they provide jobs!", RE= ALLY??? Where?!? in Mexico? In China? WHERE? Sure as hell not here in Michigan! Oh,= OK, maybe in the "Service Industry" (what a euphemism!) slaving over a hot= hamburger grill, or sweating their brains out in a factory, for a wage tha= t can barely support one person, let alone a family.=20 That is just OBSCENE! And yet the "religious right" (which is frankly neith= er!) finds it OK...so exploitation and abuse are Christian values? Not in MY Bible!=20 "But we shouldn't tax the rich to feed the poor". Let's hear BOTH sides of = the story! Who's labor, sweat, and blood did they use to GET rich? Whether by hitting it good in the market, inheriting it, or outright exploi= ting it, SOMEBODY got their hands dirty doing the grunt work, or even riski= ng their health or very life...and it damn sure wasn't the rich, as such endeavors are light-years beneath them. I repeat, when somebody well-off, smugly admiring and brown-nosing the righ= t-wing liars, cheaters, thieves loses THEIR job, or THEIR home, THEN I thin= k they will finally see what those on the left figured out a long time ago! "To take more than one needs, if it means somebody else losing out, is wron= g", to paraphrase.. .Carl Marx? NO! Vladimir Lenin? NO! How about St. Frances of Asisi! (so now you can call me a sissi AND a commi= e pinko!) What we need is what happened in Poland, years back...EVERY working man and= woman (and sadly, child) just NOT SHOW UP FOR WORK! When nobody gets their= trash hauled away, their breakfast served, or there power kept on, then maybe we will appreciate those who the damn snobs keep looking down th= eir despicable plastic noses at! Of course, in this country, Bush, Chaney and Assoc. would just call out the= military, and make us work at gunpoint. And if you think THAT can't happen= in a "free country" (free as long as you can afford it), you better look i= nto the history of coal mining! If what happened in Matawan,=20 West-thank God-Virginia doesn't break your heart, you don't HAVE ONE! Whoever said I had a compassionate heart was right..I have a HUGE PASSION a= nd UNBREAKABLE LOVE for the working American, and God help the plutocrat th= at thinks they can change THAT with ill-informed or outright dishonest right-wing rhetoric! I'm poor, but I'm NOT BLIND or STUPID! And this IS related to AM Stereo...I'll say it over a C-QUAM transmitter wi= th a 15 second delay between channels, so that in case anything is missed, = it can be heard AGAIN!=20 I could go on, but at a b.p. of 180/100 and rising, I better stop... I can't afford a doctor if I "blow a gasket"... G --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:40 AM > Don, >=20 > Thats not even practical thought. If the taxpayers (which > are every single american) dont pay off the debt who will?=20 > You misunderstand what this country is about then if you > think we shouldn't pay our fair share. Yes I think > taxes are high and higher than should be but its the middle > class that pays the brunt of taxes, not the rich. We all > though own this country and we all have to do our part.=20 > Therefore we all must pay the debt off and I am for paying > the debt off. Why sir should we be indebted to China and > keep borrowing money we don't have? As I said I dont > claim one side. I can see BS on both sides. The debt > though needs to be paid down. We need to get away from any > dependence on other countries. We also need to bring back > our own manufacturing. American Made used to be a thing of > pride. What is made in America anymore? We don't > like taxes but we are all stewards of this country and we > must pay our part no matter how > unfair it may be. It's our civic duty. It all > depends on perspective. Now income taxes are one thing and > I think all that needs overhauling. The whole tax code > should be scrapped and designed as a fair system across the > board. Yes that should be done. At the end of the day > though it still comes down to the fact we are all stewards > of this place and we have to pay our part. Whether or not > you think its wrong or right. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: >=20 > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:36 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > One doesn't have to look far to find vocal liberals in > the news media. Unbiased media seems to be difficult to > find: >=20 > Let's see ... >=20 > ABC's Claire Shipman says the taxpayers, not the > politicians, should sacrifice to close the budget deficit: > "If every American were to pitch in $2,000, we could > pay off this year's deficit. ... Or, if we handed over, > each of us, 500 gallons of gasoline or, in terms we could > all really understand, if every American gave up 666 lattes > for a year, we could pay off this year's deficit." >=20 > Dan Rather predicts Big Oil will try to manipulate the > election for John McCain: "The people who can affect > the price of oil would prefer a Republican presidential > candidate. Watch the price of oil. If it goes down, which it > may very well, it could help John McCain quite a bit." >=20 > The Associated Press swoons: "It's not only > Obama's youth, eloquence and energy that have stolen > hearts across the Atlantic. Obama has raised expectations of > a chance for the nation to redeem itself in the role that > Europe has loved, respected and relied upon." >=20 > CBS's Mark Phillips melts in Berlin: "The > 200,000-plus crowd confirmed his rock star status, and his > more cooperative sounding rhetoric was what the crowd wanted > to hear." >=20 > Alessandra Stanley of the New York Times rejects charges of > pro-Obama bias with this doozy: "Mr. Obama's > weeklong tour of war zones and foreign capitals is > noteworthy because it is so unusual to see a presidential > candidate act so presidential overseas." >=20 > On "Meet the Press," NBC's Tom Brokaw prods > Al Gore: "How can you, given the passion that you feel > about this issue, turn down the idea that you could be in > the administration as a vice president or as an energy czar > or as both?" >=20 > With a straight face, retiring New York Times reporter > Linda Greenhouse claims, "President Clinton played to > the center, not the left, in selecting Ruth Bader Ginsburg > and Stephen G. Breyer." >=20 > NBC labels the late Jesse Helms an "outspoken > ultra-rightist, " but waxed about Howard Metzenbaum as > a "populist" who "always fought for the > little guy." >=20 > NBC's Matt Lauer presses Barack Obama -- as not liberal > enough, quoting hotheads at the New York Times: "Sen. > Obama is not just tacking gently toward the center. He's > lurching right when it suits him, he's zigging with the > kind of reckless abandon that's guaranteed to cause > disillusion, if not whiplash." >=20 > New polls from battleground states delight MSNBC's > Chris Matthews: "I'm thrilled with this. > Obama's strength in the Northeast, the West Coast and > the Great Lakes." >=20 > CBS's Katie Couric sees bias now: "However you > feel about her politics, I feel that Sen. Clinton received > some of the most unfair, hostile coverage I've ever > seen." >=20 > And Time's former Washington Bureau Chief Margaret > Carlson pens, "If there's anything we need to > rescue us from the last eight years, it's brains, good > judgment and experience. Obama has the first two. Gore has > all three." >=20 > NBC's Lee Cowan waxes, "In victory and in defeat > Michelle Obama had always been there, dressed as brightly as > her husband's smile." ... In reference to John > McCain's wife Cindy, New York Times reporter Alessandra > Stanley writes: "As the Equal Rights Amendment faded as > a cause and conservatism made a comeback, Republican spouses > became ever more careful to stay three steps behind their > men and the times." >=20 > Former ABC reporter Linda Douglass, now an Obama > spokesperson, reveals the obvious: "I have fundamental > differences with John McCain on the issues and always have. > I don't have any problem criticizing John McCain." >=20 > AP reporter Charles Babington cheers: "Obama is > something special, a man who makes difficult tasks look > easy, who seems to touch millions of diverse people with a > message of hope that somehow doesn't sound Pollyannaish. > "
 Conservative columnist Bob Novak tells it > like it is: "I've been covering presidential > campaigns since 1960. I have always said I have never seen > the media as much entranced by a candidate than when they > were in my very first campaign, in 1960, when they were for > JFK. But I'm telling you right now, the enchantment with > Obama beats the JFK syndrome." >=20 > Other than these, Bob, there are no liberals in the news > media - just honest unbiased reporting. >=20 > Don >=20 > --- >=20 > -- clemsonbloke wrote: > Then you are wrong. If you are right then why aren't > you teaching the class? As a matter of fact why aren't > anyone else on here teaching it since you are right? So you > are saying the professors and folks who write the books are > complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What > passes for education? What passes for ignorance on here > amazes me. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net > wrote: >=20 > From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net .net> > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM >=20 > At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just > that. Much of what passes for higher education nowadays is > balderdash, especially in the liberal arts. And I say that > as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, though I > had 95% of everything done by 83. >=20 > Scott > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: clemsonbloke=20 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 >=20 > Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what > I said it was about unless you are saying that my professors > are wrong and that the textbooks are wrong! >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > http://www.usfamily .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 3.3.=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "scottn0bst@usfamily .net" scottn0bst@usfam= ily .net amstereodude Thu Aug 7, 2008 5:47 pm (PDT) If teaching were my gif= t I'd have turned you guys around a long time ago. Textbook writers and the= academics who use them have an agenda. They hate so-called "right wing hat= e radio" as much as you do, hence they want to silence it.=20 Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio Then you are wrong. If you are right then why aren't you teaching the class= ? As a matter of fact why aren't anyone else on here teaching it since you = are right? So you are saying the professors and folks who write the books a= re complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What passes for educat= ion? What passes for ignorance on here amazes me. --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net wro= te: From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just that. Much of what p= asses for higher education nowadays is balderdash, especially in the libera= l arts. And I say that as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, tho= ugh I had 95% of everything done by 83. Scott ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what I said it was a= bout unless you are saying that my professors are wrong and that the textbo= oks are wrong! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG.=20 Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1596 - Release Date: 8/6/08 4:5= 5 PM --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 3.4.=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "scottn0bst@usfamily .net" scottn0bst@usfam= ily .net amstereodude Thu Aug 7, 2008 5:51 pm (PDT) Ultimately that's true,= but why is it up to us to finance ever growing government programs and so-= called investments? Why can't the politicians spend less? And I mean ALL po= litical parties when I say that. Scott ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 If the taxpayers (which are every single american) dont pay off the debt wh= o will?=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 3.5.=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "scottn0bst@usfamily .net" scottn0bst@usfam= ily .net amstereodude Thu Aug 7, 2008 6:00 pm (PDT) Iraq hasn't had much of= a working infrastructure since Clinton bombed them back in the 90s. They d= o now under Bush. Afghanistan is starting to develop infrastructure for the= first time in its history. As for your idiotic comment about Iraq not having anything to do with 9/11,= the only ones who keep repeating this are the political left. I have yet t= o meet ANYONE who says Iraq had anything to do with it. You're incessant re= peating of this bilge won't make it anymore true. Plans to go after Saddam = date back to at least 1998. 9/11 was merely a catalyst that said maybe we s= hould finally do something about him. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Yeah and what about nation building schemes? Wait I doubt anyone understand= s what that even is. Well let me tell you. What they do is go in and claim = someone did this or that to us and destroy their country. They then send th= ese companies over there to rebuild what was torn up. Thats huge business a= nd these companies make billions. Plain and simple. Go in and tear someones= back yard up just to make billions off rebuilding them. Iraq had nothing t= o do with september 11....afghanistan was where the problem was. If people = don't know that then they are complete uninformed idiots. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 3.6.=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "W6YN Don Milbury" w6yn@juno.com w6yn Thu A= ug 7, 2008 6:34 pm (PDT) You seem to be a very bitter Marxist. Your Governe= ss as good news for you: Governess Says Invest Michigan! will Grow State Pension Fund, Invest in Mic= higan Businesses, Create Jobs Contact: Liz Boyd 517-335-6397 Radio Address outlines plan to build Michigan's economic future LANSING - In her weekly radio address, Governor Jennifer M. Granholm today = said her plan to invest $300 million in Michigan-based companies will grow = the state pension fund and create jobs. "This week, we moved forward on another of our plans to grow business and c= reate jobs by announcing Invest Michigan! - a fund that will use $300 milli= on, a large amount of capital but a small portion of our state pension fund= , to invest in businesses that create the jobs we need in Michigan," Granho= lm said. The 21st Century Jobs Fund and the Venture Michigan Fund are investing hund= reds of millions of dollars focused on Michigan companies at the critical e= arly-growth state. Until this point, however, there has not been enough fun= ding available for later-stage capital needs. "Invest Michigan! will use state pension funds to help diversify Michigan's= economy by retaining, attracting, and building successful small and mid-si= zed businesses and creating jobs for Michigan workers," Granholm said. "The= se investments in Michigan-based companies, in turn, will grow our pension = funds. Invest Michigan! is a program that will put Michigan money to work b= uilding Michigan's economic future." The governor's weekly radio address is released each Friday morning and may= be heard on broadcast stations across the state. The address is available = on the governor's Web site at (www.michigan. gov/gov) for download, togethe= r with a clip of the quote above. The radio address is also available as a = podcast on the Web site, as well as on iTunes and via RSS feed for general = distribution to personal MP3 players and home computers.=20 -- george russell wrote: I've got a good idea (which means we will probably never see it happen): Why not get rid of the income tax altogether, and tax only goods and servic= es? That way, the rich who just HAVE to have the 12 Mercedes and the gazill= ion room house WILL pay their fair share, while the poorest among us will p= ay only what they can. Leave taxes off of basic needs, such as food and hou= sing. If we do it right, it WILL work! I know at least one state (can't remember which one, north-east area?) has done this with success. I'm sick to death of the excuses for the rich, "but they provide jobs!", RE= ALLY??? Where?!? in Mexico? In China? WHERE? Sure as hell not here in Michigan! Oh,= OK, maybe in the "Service Industry" (what a euphemism!) slaving over a hot= hamburger grill, or sweating their brains out in a factory, for a wage tha= t can barely support one person, let alone a family.=20 That is just OBSCENE! And yet the "religious right" (which is frankly neith= er!) finds it OK...so exploitation and abuse are Christian values? Not in MY Bible!=20 "But we shouldn't tax the rich to feed the poor". Let's hear BOTH sides of = the story! Who's labor, sweat, and blood did they use to GET rich? Whether by hitting it good in the market, inheriting it, or outright exploi= ting it, SOMEBODY got their hands dirty doing the grunt work, or even riski= ng their health or very life...and it damn sure wasn't the rich, as such endeavors are light-years beneath them. I repeat, when somebody well-off, smugly admiring and brown-nosing the righ= t-wing liars, cheaters, thieves loses THEIR job, or THEIR home, THEN I thin= k they will finally see what those on the left figured out a long time ago! "To take more than one needs, if it means somebody else losing out, is wron= g", to paraphrase.. .Carl Marx? NO! Vladimir Lenin? NO! How about St. Frances of Asisi! (so now you can call me a sissi AND a commi= e pinko!) What we need is what happened in Poland, years back...EVERY working man and= woman (and sadly, child) just NOT SHOW UP FOR WORK! When nobody gets their= trash hauled away, their breakfast served, or there power kept on, then maybe we will appreciate those who the damn snobs keep looking down th= eir despicable plastic noses at! Of course, in this country, Bush, Chaney and Assoc. would just call out the= military, and make us work at gunpoint. And if you think THAT can't happen= in a "free country" (free as long as you can afford it), you better look i= nto the history of coal mining! If what happened in Matawan,=20 West-thank God-Virginia doesn't break your heart, you don't HAVE ONE! Whoever said I had a compassionate heart was right..I have a HUGE PASSION a= nd UNBREAKABLE LOVE for the working American, and God help the plutocrat th= at thinks they can change THAT with ill-informed or outright dishonest right-wing rhetoric! I'm poor, but I'm NOT BLIND or STUPID! And this IS related to AM Stereo...I'll say it over a C-QUAM transmitter wi= th a 15 second delay between channels, so that in case anything is missed, = it can be heard AGAIN!=20 I could go on, but at a b.p. of 180/100 and rising, I better stop... I can't afford a doctor if I "blow a gasket"... G --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:40 AM > Don, >=20 > Thats not even practical thought. If the taxpayers (which > are every single american) dont pay off the debt who will?=20 > You misunderstand what this country is about then if you > think we shouldn't pay our fair share. Yes I think > taxes are high and higher than should be but its the middle > class that pays the brunt of taxes, not the rich. We all > though own this country and we all have to do our part.=20 > Therefore we all must pay the debt off and I am for paying > the debt off. Why sir should we be indebted to China and > keep borrowing money we don't have? As I said I dont > claim one side. I can see BS on both sides. The debt > though needs to be paid down. We need to get away from any > dependence on other countries. We also need to bring back > our own manufacturing. American Made used to be a thing of > pride. What is made in America anymore? We don't > like taxes but we are all stewards of this country and we > must pay our part no matter how > unfair it may be. It's our civic duty. It all > depends on perspective. Now income taxes are one thing and > I think all that needs overhauling. The whole tax code > should be scrapped and designed as a fair system across the > board. Yes that should be done. At the end of the day > though it still comes down to the fact we are all stewards > of this place and we have to pay our part. Whether or not > you think its wrong or right. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: >=20 > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:36 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > One doesn't have to look far to find vocal liberals in > the news media. Unbiased media seems to be difficult to > find: >=20 > Let's see ... >=20 > ABC's Claire Shipman says the taxpayers, not the > politicians, should sacrifice to close the budget deficit: > "If every American were to pitch in $2,000, we could > pay off this year's deficit. ... Or, if we handed over, > each of us, 500 gallons of gasoline or, in terms we could > all really understand, if every American gave up 666 lattes > for a year, we could pay off this year's deficit." >=20 > Dan Rather predicts Big Oil will try to manipulate the > election for John McCain: "The people who can affect > the price of oil would prefer a Republican presidential > candidate. Watch the price of oil. If it goes down, which it > may very well, it could help John McCain quite a bit." >=20 > The Associated Press swoons: "It's not only > Obama's youth, eloquence and energy that have stolen > hearts across the Atlantic. Obama has raised expectations of > a chance for the nation to redeem itself in the role that > Europe has loved, respected and relied upon." >=20 > CBS's Mark Phillips melts in Berlin: "The > 200,000-plus crowd confirmed his rock star status, and his > more cooperative sounding rhetoric was what the crowd wanted > to hear." >=20 > Alessandra Stanley of the New York Times rejects charges of > pro-Obama bias with this doozy: "Mr. Obama's > weeklong tour of war zones and foreign capitals is > noteworthy because it is so unusual to see a presidential > candidate act so presidential overseas." >=20 > On "Meet the Press," NBC's Tom Brokaw prods > Al Gore: "How can you, given the passion that you feel > about this issue, turn down the idea that you could be in > the administration as a vice president or as an energy czar > or as both?" >=20 > With a straight face, retiring New York Times reporter > Linda Greenhouse claims, "President Clinton played to > the center, not the left, in selecting Ruth Bader Ginsburg > and Stephen G. Breyer." >=20 > NBC labels the late Jesse Helms an "outspoken > ultra-rightist, " but waxed about Howard Metzenbaum as > a "populist" who "always fought for the > little guy." >=20 > NBC's Matt Lauer presses Barack Obama -- as not liberal > enough, quoting hotheads at the New York Times: "Sen. > Obama is not just tacking gently toward the center. He's > lurching right when it suits him, he's zigging with the > kind of reckless abandon that's guaranteed to cause > disillusion, if not whiplash." >=20 > New polls from battleground states delight MSNBC's > Chris Matthews: "I'm thrilled with this. > Obama's strength in the Northeast, the West Coast and > the Great Lakes." >=20 > CBS's Katie Couric sees bias now: "However you > feel about her politics, I feel that Sen. Clinton received > some of the most unfair, hostile coverage I've ever > seen." >=20 > And Time's former Washington Bureau Chief Margaret > Carlson pens, "If there's anything we need to > rescue us from the last eight years, it's brains, good > judgment and experience. Obama has the first two. Gore has > all three." >=20 > NBC's Lee Cowan waxes, "In victory and in defeat > Michelle Obama had always been there, dressed as brightly as > her husband's smile." ... In reference to John > McCain's wife Cindy, New York Times reporter Alessandra > Stanley writes: "As the Equal Rights Amendment faded as > a cause and conservatism made a comeback, Republican spouses > became ever more careful to stay three steps behind their > men and the times." >=20 > Former ABC reporter Linda Douglass, now an Obama > spokesperson, reveals the obvious: "I have fundamental > differences with John McCain on the issues and always have. > I don't have any problem criticizing John McCain." >=20 > AP reporter Charles Babington cheers: "Obama is > something special, a man who makes difficult tasks look > easy, who seems to touch millions of diverse people with a > message of hope that somehow doesn't sound Pollyannaish. > "
 Conservative columnist Bob Novak tells it > like it is: "I've been covering presidential > campaigns since 1960. I have always said I have never seen > the media as much entranced by a candidate than when they > were in my very first campaign, in 1960, when they were for > JFK. But I'm telling you right now, the enchantment with > Obama beats the JFK syndrome." >=20 > Other than these, Bob, there are no liberals in the news > media - just honest unbiased reporting. >=20 > Don >=20 > --- >=20 > -- clemsonbloke wrote: > Then you are wrong. If you are right then why aren't > you teaching the class? As a matter of fact why aren't > anyone else on here teaching it since you are right? So you > are saying the professors and folks who write the books are > complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What > passes for education? What passes for ignorance on here > amazes me. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net > wrote: >=20 > From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net .net> > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM >=20 > At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just > that. Much of what passes for higher education nowadays is > balderdash, especially in the liberal arts. And I say that > as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, though I > had 95% of everything done by 83. >=20 > Scott > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: clemsonbloke=20 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 >=20 > Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about what > I said it was about unless you are saying that my professors > are wrong and that the textbooks are wrong! >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > http://www.usfamily .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 3.7.=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "scottn0bst@usfamily .net" scottn0bst@usfam= ily .net amstereodude Thu Aug 7, 2008 6:35 pm (PDT) Answers interspersed- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 I've got a good idea (which means we will probably never see it happen): Why not get rid of the income tax altogether, and tax only goods and servic= es? That way, the rich who just HAVE to have the 12 Mercedes and the gazill= ion room house WILL pay their fair share, while the poorest among us will p= ay only what they can. Leave taxes off of basic needs, such as food and hou= sing. If we do it right, it WILL work! --We finally agree on something! Not only will it do that, but it'll tap th= e wealth of the underground economy like pimps and drug pushers. I know at least one state (can't remember which one, north-east area?) has done this with success. I'm sick to death of the excuses for the rich, "but they provide jobs!", RE= ALLY??? Where?!? in Mexico? In China? WHERE? Sure as hell not here in Michigan! Oh,= OK, maybe in the "Service Industry" (what a euphemism!) slaving over a hot= hamburger grill, or sweating their brains out in a factory, for a wage tha= t can barely support one person, let alone a family.=20 --Well, MY job for one. Ed Atsinger and Stu Epperson are absolutely brillia= nt business people and I don't feel the least bit exploited. Our advertiser= s are also American workers. If things are as bad in Michigan as you say, a= nd I fully believe it, consider which political party has had near hegemony= for the past several decades. They've priced themselves out of the market.= The cost of goverment adds to the cost of goods and services. So do excess= ive union demands. Believe it or not I say that with a twinge of sadness be= cause I know very well the good they did for the worker in decades gone by.= But they got too big for their breeches and the less expensive imports kic= ked their butts. That is just OBSCENE! And yet the "religious right" (which is frankly neith= er!) finds it OK...so exploitation and abuse are Christian values? --What cartoon book are you reading anyway? Not in MY Bible!=20 When the Bible was being written it wasn't uncommon for the rich not to pay= their workers and the prophets rightly condemned them. Nowadays the rich g= et hammered for problems caused by entirely other factors, but it's just ea= sier to blame "the rich" rather than the government. "But we shouldn't tax the rich to feed the poor". Let's hear BOTH sides of = the story! Who's labor, sweat, and blood did they use to GET rich? Largely their own, if they're people like the inventor of multiband process= ing- Mike Dorrough. The idle rich are people like Ted Kennedy, Al Gore and = John Kerry. BTW, if you want to talk about the rich oppressing the poor, ta= ke a GOOD look at George Soros! This guy has actually bankrupted smaller co= untries to get his wealth, and yet he's a chief financier of the leftist ca= uses near and dear to your heart. As for America's poor, how many are actua= lly addicted to handouts, aka welfare? A good chunk of them, I'd say. A pov= erty of values can cause economic poverty as surely as a stockmarket crash. Whether by hitting it good in the market, inheriting it, or outright exploi= ting it, SOMEBODY got their hands dirty doing the grunt work, or even riski= ng their health or very life...and it damn sure wasn't the rich, as such en= deavors are light-years beneath them. --Rubbish! Not to say it never happens, but the people who've recently beco= me rich often built their empires with their own time and sweat. I repeat, when somebody well-off, smugly admiring and brown-nosing the righ= t-wing liars, cheaters, thieves loses THEIR job, or THEIR home, THEN I thin= k they will finally see what those on the left figured out a long time ago! --Those classified as "the rich" is not a static list. Many rich people hav= e lost it all, including Henry Ford. The guy went broke five times before F= ord Motors took off. "To take more than one needs, if it means somebody else losing out, is wron= g", to paraphrase.. .Carl Marx? NO! Vladimir Lenin? NO! How about St. Frances of Asisi! (so now you can call me a sissi AND a commi= e pinko!) --Well then, George, you don't really need that computer you're using. You = don't really need an AM stereo radio either if you want to take that argume= nt to its logical conclusion. What we need is what happened in Poland, years back...EVERY working man and= woman (and sadly, child) just NOT SHOW UP FOR WORK! When nobody gets their= trash hauled away, their breakfast served, or there power kept on, then ma= ybe we will appreciate those who the damn snobs keep looking down their des= picable plastic noses at! --In Poland it was the government they were revolting against; the very sam= e type of government Obama will give us if he's elected. Of course the oppr= ession that drove the Poles won't be immediately apparent and it will appea= r to work, at least for a little while. Of course, in this country, Bush, Chaney and Assoc. would just call out the= military, and make us work at gunpoint. And if you think THAT can't happen= in a "free country" (free as long as you can afford it), you better look i= nto the history of coal mining! If what happened in Matawan,=20 West-thank God-Virginia doesn't break your heart, you don't HAVE ONE! --Well, Obama has some unpaid government work planned for kids just out of = high school. Seems you and Clemsonbloke ought to be protesting that. And hi= s civilian security corps and youth work groups- sounds suspiciously like s= omethings out of 1930s Italy and Germany. Whoever said I had a compassionate heart was right..I have a HUGE PASSION a= nd UNBREAKABLE LOVE for the working American, and God help the plutocrat th= at thinks they can change THAT with ill-informed or outright dishonest right-wing rhetoric! I'm poor, but I'm NOT BLIND or STUPID! And this IS related to AM Stereo...I'll say it over a C-QUAM transmitter wi= th a 15 second delay between channels, so that in case anything is missed, = it can be heard AGAIN!=20 --I've got a rant that I'll put in it's own posting about this. I could go on, but at a b.p. of 180/100 and rising, I better stop... I can't afford a doctor if I "blow a gasket"... --keep going... --Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 3.8.=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo. com wlx1430= Thu Aug 7, 2008 8:01 pm (PDT) Yeah, Eagle is the top of the crop! My dad w= as a scoutmaster, so you can guess I was in it, too. Your right, we have steered a bit away from AM Stereo, but honestly, I have= thoroughly enjoyed your take on things, Kevin. Feel free to "rant" all you like directly to my email address, above. I sense a kindred spirit...a free thinker...not enough of us out there! George --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 3:53 PM > Well said ! I love the "ill say it over > CQUAM....... .." ha! Agreed but you know they all > just loved this character on the stage called Bush. Well > has anyone done any ressearch? I thin not because if they > did they'd see he and his family are goody goody with > the Saudi Royal Family. To me, in light of current > affairs, this should be looked at as treason to this > country!! Yes it's these big rich folk who are planning > the take over of this country and they've hoodwinked > SOME of these poor people out here into supporting their > cause by using religion and other causes. Do I believe > Bush when he says he's this big christian guy? His > actions are not that representative of such if you ask me.=20 > See he sold all these idiots a lie and they bought it. Oh > the faith based this and faith based that. Yeah right it > was nothing more than a lie sold to that segment of people > to get a vote. The sad thing is they never even picked up > on it. I heard so > many people saying "oh bush is a good christian > man" ! Poppycock! If he was then why didn't > he do anything to help the people of Katrina? He was > caught with his pants down on that one while he stood there > and studdered. No none of these followers on this list > will convince me otherwise. If they can't see the > crimes committed by these people then they are blind. Yeah > and what about nation building schemes? Wait I doubt > anyone understands what that even is. Well let me tell > you. What they do is go in and claim someone did this or > that to us and destroy their country. They then send these > companies over there to rebuild what was torn up. Thats > huge business and these companies make billions. Plain and > simple. Go in and tear someones back yard up just to make > billions off rebuilding them. Iraq had nothing to do with > september 11....afghanistan was where the problem was. If > people don't know that then they are complete > uninformed idiots. That was the biggest diversion in > history. Criminals I say criminals. I love my country > but not what these idiots have turned it into. Hell I made > Eagle Scout (only 2% of all scouts ever make that!) so I > think I know my country and what it should be and I love my > country. It's just sad to see what a few idiots have > done to it and our freedoms. We used to laugh at Russia > and their cameras on the streets and how they watched and > controlled their people. Now we are turning into the same > thing. Bottom line is people need to wake up before we > lose it all.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, george russell > wrote: >=20 > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:33 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I've got a good idea (which means we will probably > never see it happen): > Why not get rid of the income tax altogether, and tax only > goods and services? That way, the rich who just HAVE to have > the 12 Mercedes and the gazillion room house WILL pay their > fair share, while the poorest among us will pay only what > they can. Leave taxes off of basic needs, such as food and > housing. If we do it right, it WILL work! > I know at least one state (can't remember which one, > north-east area?) > has done this with success. > I'm sick to death of the excuses for the rich, > "but they provide jobs!", REALLY??? > Where?!? in Mexico? In China? WHERE? Sure as hell not here > in Michigan! Oh, OK, maybe in the "Service > Industry" (what a euphemism!) slaving over a hot > hamburger grill, or sweating their brains out in a factory, > for a wage that can barely support one person, let alone a > family.=20 > That is just OBSCENE! And yet the "religious > right" (which is frankly neither!) finds it OK...so > exploitation and abuse are Christian values? > Not in MY Bible!=20 > "But we shouldn't tax the rich to feed the > poor". Let's hear BOTH sides of the story! > Who's labor, sweat, and blood did they use to GET rich? > Whether by hitting it good in the market, inheriting it, or > outright exploiting it, SOMEBODY got their hands dirty doing > the grunt work, or even risking their health or very > life...and it damn sure wasn't the rich, > as such endeavors are light-years beneath them. > I repeat, when somebody well-off, smugly admiring and > brown-nosing the right-wing liars, cheaters, thieves loses > THEIR job, or THEIR home, THEN I think they will finally see > what those on the left figured out a long time ago! > "To take more than one needs, if it means somebody > else losing out, is wrong", to paraphrase.. .Carl Marx? > NO! Vladimir Lenin? NO! > How about St. Frances of Asisi! (so now you can call me a > sissi AND a commie pinko!) > What we need is what happened in Poland, years back...EVERY > working man and woman (and sadly, child) just NOT SHOW UP > FOR WORK! When nobody gets their trash hauled away, their > breakfast served, or there power kept on, > then maybe we will appreciate those who the damn snobs keep > looking down their despicable plastic noses at! > Of course, in this country, Bush, Chaney and Assoc. would > just call out the military, and make us work at gunpoint. > And if you think THAT can't happen in a "free > country" (free as long as you can afford it), you > better look into the history of coal mining! If what > happened in Matawan,=20 > West-thank God-Virginia doesn't break your heart, you > don't HAVE ONE! > Whoever said I had a compassionate heart was right..I have > a HUGE PASSION and UNBREAKABLE LOVE for the working > American, and God help the plutocrat that thinks they can > change THAT with ill-informed or outright dishonest > right-wing rhetoric! I'm poor, but I'm NOT BLIND or > STUPID! > And this IS related to AM Stereo...I'll say it over a > C-QUAM transmitter with a 15 second delay between channels, > so that in case anything is missed, it can be heard AGAIN!=20 > I could go on, but at a b.p. of 180/100 and rising, I > better stop... > I can't afford a doctor if I "blow a > gasket"... > G >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke yahoo.co. uk> wrote: >=20 > > From: clemsonbloke > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:40 AM > > Don, > >=20 > > Thats not even practical thought. If the taxpayers > (which > > are every single american) dont pay off the debt who > will?=20 > > You misunderstand what this country is about then if > you > > think we shouldn't pay our fair share. Yes I > think > > taxes are high and higher than should be but its the > middle > > class that pays the brunt of taxes, not the rich. We > all > > though own this country and we all have to do our > part.=20 > > Therefore we all must pay the debt off and I am for > paying > > the debt off. Why sir should we be indebted to China > and > > keep borrowing money we don't have? As I said I > dont > > claim one side. I can see BS on both sides. The > debt > > though needs to be paid down. We need to get away > from any > > dependence on other countries. We also need to bring > back > > our own manufacturing. American Made used to be a > thing of > > pride. What is made in America anymore? We > don't > > like taxes but we are all stewards of this country and > we > > must pay our part no matter how > > unfair it may be. It's our civic duty. It all > > depends on perspective. Now income taxes are one > thing and > > I think all that needs overhauling. The whole tax > code > > should be scrapped and designed as a fair system > across the > > board. Yes that should be done. At the end of the > day > > though it still comes down to the fact we are all > stewards > > of this place and we have to pay our part. Whether > or not > > you think its wrong or right. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, W6YN Don Milbury > > > wrote: > >=20 > > From: W6YN Don Milbury > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:36 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > One doesn't have to look far to find vocal > liberals in > > the news media. Unbiased media seems to be difficult > to > > find: > >=20 > > Let's see ... > >=20 > > ABC's Claire Shipman says the taxpayers, not the > > politicians, should sacrifice to close the budget > deficit: > > "If every American were to pitch in $2,000, we > could > > pay off this year's deficit. ... Or, if we handed > over, > > each of us, 500 gallons of gasoline or, in terms we > could > > all really understand, if every American gave up 666 > lattes > > for a year, we could pay off this year's > deficit." > >=20 > > Dan Rather predicts Big Oil will try to manipulate the > > election for John McCain: "The people who can > affect > > the price of oil would prefer a Republican > presidential > > candidate. Watch the price of oil. If it goes down, > which it > > may very well, it could help John McCain quite a > bit." > >=20 > > The Associated Press swoons: "It's not only > > Obama's youth, eloquence and energy that have > stolen > > hearts across the Atlantic. Obama has raised > expectations of > > a chance for the nation to redeem itself in the role > that > > Europe has loved, respected and relied upon." > >=20 > > CBS's Mark Phillips melts in Berlin: "The > > 200,000-plus crowd confirmed his rock star status, and > his > > more cooperative sounding rhetoric was what the crowd > wanted > > to hear." > >=20 > > Alessandra Stanley of the New York Times rejects > charges of > > pro-Obama bias with this doozy: "Mr. Obama's > > weeklong tour of war zones and foreign capitals is > > noteworthy because it is so unusual to see a > presidential > > candidate act so presidential overseas." > >=20 > > On "Meet the Press," NBC's Tom Brokaw > prods > > Al Gore: "How can you, given the passion that you > feel > > about this issue, turn down the idea that you could be > in > > the administration as a vice president or as an energy > czar > > or as both?" > >=20 > > With a straight face, retiring New York Times reporter > > Linda Greenhouse claims, "President Clinton > played to > > the center, not the left, in selecting Ruth Bader > Ginsburg > > and Stephen G. Breyer." > >=20 > > NBC labels the late Jesse Helms an "outspoken > > ultra-rightist, " but waxed about Howard > Metzenbaum as > > a "populist" who "always fought for the > > little guy." > >=20 > > NBC's Matt Lauer presses Barack Obama -- as not > liberal > > enough, quoting hotheads at the New York Times: > "Sen. > > Obama is not just tacking gently toward the center. > He's > > lurching right when it suits him, he's zigging > with the > > kind of reckless abandon that's guaranteed to > cause > > disillusion, if not whiplash." > >=20 > > New polls from battleground states delight MSNBC's > > Chris Matthews: "I'm thrilled with this. > > Obama's strength in the Northeast, the West Coast > and > > the Great Lakes." > >=20 > > CBS's Katie Couric sees bias now: "However > you > > feel about her politics, I feel that Sen. Clinton > received > > some of the most unfair, hostile coverage I've > ever > > seen." > >=20 > > And Time's former Washington Bureau Chief Margaret > > Carlson pens, "If there's anything we need to > > rescue us from the last eight years, it's brains, > good > > judgment and experience. Obama has the first two. Gore > has > > all three." > >=20 > > NBC's Lee Cowan waxes, "In victory and in > defeat > > Michelle Obama had always been there, dressed as > brightly as > > her husband's smile." ... In reference to > John > > McCain's wife Cindy, New York Times reporter > Alessandra > > Stanley writes: "As the Equal Rights Amendment > faded as > > a cause and conservatism made a comeback, Republican > spouses > > became ever more careful to stay three steps behind > their > > men and the times." > >=20 > > Former ABC reporter Linda Douglass, now an Obama > > spokesperson, reveals the obvious: "I have > fundamental > > differences with John McCain on the issues and always > have. > > I don't have any problem criticizing John > McCain." > >=20 > > AP reporter Charles Babington cheers: "Obama is > > something special, a man who makes difficult tasks > look > > easy, who seems to touch millions of diverse people > with a > > message of hope that somehow doesn't sound > Pollyannaish. > > "
 Conservative columnist Bob Novak > tells it > > like it is: "I've been covering presidential > > campaigns since 1960. I have always said I have never > seen > > the media as much entranced by a candidate than when > they > > were in my very first campaign, in 1960, when they > were for > > JFK. But I'm telling you right now, the > enchantment with > > Obama beats the JFK syndrome." > >=20 > > Other than these, Bob, there are no liberals in the > news > > media - just honest unbiased reporting. > >=20 > > Don > >=20 > > --- > >=20 > > -- clemsonbloke > wrote: > > Then you are wrong. If you are right then why > aren't > > you teaching the class? As a matter of fact why > aren't > > anyone else on here teaching it since you are right? > So you > > are saying the professors and folks who write the > books are > > complete fools? Thats a major stand to be taking. What > > passes for education? What passes for ignorance on > here > > amazes me. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net > > wrote: > >=20 > > From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net usfamily > > .net> > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:20 PM > >=20 > > At the risk of sounding arrogant, yes I am saying just > > that. Much of what passes for higher education > nowadays is > > balderdash, especially in the liberal arts. And I say > that > > as a survivor of college myself- got a BA in 84, > though I > > had 95% of everything done by 83. > >=20 > > Scott > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: clemsonbloke=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 > >=20 > > Sorry love you all but the fairness doctrine was about > what > > I said it was about unless you are saying that my > professors > > are wrong and that the textbooks are wrong! > >=20 > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > > http://www.usfamily .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! > Groups > > Links > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 3.9.=20 Re: small town radio Posted by: "J Gualda Q Media" gualdaj@bellsouth. net i= owacane Thu Aug 7, 2008 8:02 pm (PDT)=20 From: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. c= om] On Behalf Of scottn0bst@usfamily .net Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:00 PM To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio "I have yet to meet ANYONE who says Iraq had anything to do with it".=20 Scott Todd Oh boy ! I have stayed out of this mess, until this ignorant comment about 9/11 and Iraq. Let me start with the first one that comes to mind, and until recently stil= l repeated this retarded mantra.Our beloved Dick Cheney. I can fill this page with quotes, but anyone with Internet and a half a brain can search for themselves. I guess it's a case of repeat something enough, and they will believe it. Do you listen to any media besides Fox or the Right wing blowhards ? My God...NOW I know why the Right leaning talk shows do so well..It all makes sense now. Juan Fox....we report, YOU decide [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (135)=20 4a.=20 Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? Posted by: "John P." toledoham= radio@ yahoo.com toledohamradio Thu Aug 7, 2008 10:38 am (PDT) Somebody wro= te: "...Sony...XDR- F1HD is an attractive and affordable component tuner. D= oes anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well?..." Good question; I'm selling my Visteon HD Jump radio right now as it does no= t decode CQuam (somebody said that their Visteon car radio did though). Despite claims that the Directed Electronics units decode CQuam - that's a = happy thought, as I cannot decode CFCO in stereo, nor playing around adjust= ing my Aspysis CQuam transmitter, can I get AM stereo decoding. Has anybody else tried the Visteon, and can they get it to decode CQuam? The Sangean HD, revised tuner, seems to be the ticket, but it's still over = $200; the Sony would be great if it could, but I'm willing to bet it has a = POS AM tuner with crappy bandwidth but a smokin' hot FM tuner, like most of= the HD's.=20 I've been extremely happy with the FM tuners in the HD radios I've used. Fi= rst adjacent FM channels come back to life that I haven't heard since the 7= 0's!! and the RDS is pretty sweet. They still need a "force to analog" swit= ch though.=20 Could somebody start a new AM-HD-Stereo Station Listing, as it seems that t= here's even less HD-AM-Stereo than there are CQuam AM Stereo! Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (6)=20 4b.=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? Posted by: "Powell E. Way = III" w4opw@yahoo. com W4OPW Thu Aug 7, 2008 10:39 am (PDT)=20 Don't know about the bandwidth, but it would pick up AM HD that NO OTHER un= it would. The FM is above amazing I have also heard.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (6)=20 4c.=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? Posted by: "clemsonbloke" = clemsonbloke@ yahoo.co. uk clemsonbloke Thu Aug 7, 2008 1:00 pm (PDT) I don= 't know but i've read a lot of glowing reports over the Sony. I've heard it= 's a better tuner than many others out there. The one thing I can't seem to= find out though is whether it decodes CQUAM. -Kevin --- On Thu, 8/7/08, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:38 PM Somebody wrote: "...Sony...XDR- F1HD is an attractive and affordable compon= ent tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well?..." Good question; I'm selling my Visteon HD Jump radio right now as it does no= t decode CQuam (somebody said that their Visteon car radio did though). Despite claims that the Directed Electronics units decode CQuam - that's a = happy thought, as I cannot decode CFCO in stereo, nor playing around adjust= ing my Aspysis CQuam transmitter, can I get AM stereo decoding. Has anybody else tried the Visteon, and can they get it to decode CQuam? The Sangean HD, revised tuner, seems to be the ticket, but it's still over = $200; the Sony would be great if it could, but I'm willing to bet it has a = POS AM tuner with crappy bandwidth but a smokin' hot FM tuner, like most of= the HD's.=20 I've been extremely happy with the FM tuners in the HD radios I've used. Fi= rst adjacent FM channels come back to life that I haven't heard since the 7= 0's!! and the RDS is pretty sweet. They still need a "force to analog" swit= ch though.=20 Could somebody start a new AM-HD-Stereo Station Listing, as it seems that t= here's even less HD-AM-Stereo than there are CQuam AM Stereo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (6)=20 4d.=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? Posted by: "Norbert 26" st= arship_2001@ msn.com starship20012001 Thu Aug 7, 2008 2:02 pm (PDT) it does= not decode c-quam=20 http://www.ham- radio.com/ k6sti/xdr- f1hd.htm -----Original Message----- From: clemsonbloke Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 4:00 PM To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? I don't know but i've read a lot of glowing reports over the Sony.=EF=BF=BD= I've heard it's a better tuner than many others out there.=EF=BF=BD The on= e thing I can't seem to find out though is whether it decodes CQUAM. =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD -Kevin --- On Thu, 8/7/08, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:38 PM Somebody wrote: "...Sony...XDR- F1HD is an attractive and affordable compon= ent tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well?..." Good question; I'm selling my Visteon HD Jump radio right now as it does no= t decode CQuam (somebody said that their Visteon car radio did though). Despite claims that the Directed Electronics units decode CQuam - that's a = happy thought, as I cannot decode CFCO in stereo, nor playing around adjust= ing my Aspysis CQuam transmitter, can I get AM stereo decoding. Has anybody else tried the Visteon, and can they get it to decode CQuam? The Sangean HD, revised tuner, seems to be the ticket, but it's still over = $200; the Sony would be great if it could, but I'm willing to bet it has a = POS AM tuner with crappy bandwidth but a smokin' hot FM tuner, like most of= the HD's.=20 I've been extremely happy with the FM tuners in the HD radios I've used. Fi= rst adjacent FM channels come back to life that I haven't heard since the 7= 0's!! and the RDS is pretty sweet. They still need a "force to analog" swit= ch though.=20 Could somebody start a new AM-HD-Stereo Station Listing, as it seems that t= here's even less HD-AM-Stereo than there are CQuam AM Stereo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (6)=20 4e.=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? Posted by: "clemsonbloke" = clemsonbloke@ yahoo.co. uk clemsonbloke Thu Aug 7, 2008 2:12 pm (PDT) Well = isn't that a shame for an otherwise decent tuner? While we are on the subje= ct lets pose a question that I rarely ever hear answers to. Ok so if its in= evitable, HD that is, then what about Stereo on AM HD? Now I understand tha= t AM Stereo on HD is possible but I've heard very little about it being imp= lemented. Do the experts on our forum think that if HD takes off for AM at = some point.....will it be stereo? I know that AM has had a good bit of trou= ble with HD. I'm sure as the technology progesses things perhaps will be wo= rked out but what about the stereo aspect? It's just hard for me to fathom = in almost 2009 that everything AM and FM isn't stereo. -Kevin --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Norbert 26 wrote: From: Norbert 26 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 5:02 PM it does not decode c-quam=20 http://www.ham- radio.com/ k6sti/xdr- f1hd.htm -----Original Message----- From: clemsonbloke Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 4:00 PM To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? I don't know but i've read a lot of glowing reports over the Sony.=EF=BF=BD= I've heard it's a better tuner than many others out there.=EF=BF=BD The on= e thing I can't seem to find out though is whether it decodes CQUAM. =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD -Kevin --- On Thu, 8/7/08, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:38 PM Somebody wrote: "...Sony...XDR- F1HD is an attractive and affordable compon= ent tuner. Does anyone know if this unit decodes CQUAM as well?..." Good question; I'm selling my Visteon HD Jump radio right now as it does no= t decode CQuam (somebody said that their Visteon car radio did though). Despite claims that the Directed Electronics units decode CQuam - that's a = happy thought, as I cannot decode CFCO in stereo, nor playing around adjust= ing my Aspysis CQuam transmitter, can I get AM stereo decoding. Has anybody else tried the Visteon, and can they get it to decode CQuam? The Sangean HD, revised tuner, seems to be the ticket, but it's still over = $200; the Sony would be great if it could, but I'm willing to bet it has a = POS AM tuner with crappy bandwidth but a smokin' hot FM tuner, like most of= the HD's.=20 I've been extremely happy with the FM tuners in the HD radios I've used. Fi= rst adjacent FM channels come back to life that I haven't heard since the 7= 0's!! and the RDS is pretty sweet. They still need a "force to analog" swit= ch though.=20 Could somebody start a new AM-HD-Stereo Station Listing, as it seems that t= here's even less HD-AM-Stereo than there are CQuam AM Stereo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (6)=20 4f.=20 Re: Sony CQuam - or other HDs that decode CQuam? Posted by: "Powell E. Way = III" w4opw@yahoo. com W4OPW Thu Aug 7, 2008 3:02 pm (PDT)=20 NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > Well isn't that a shame for an otherwise decent tuner?=20 > While we are on the subject lets pose a question that I > rarely ever hear answers to. Ok so if its inevitable, HD > that is, then what about Stereo on AM HD? Now I understand > that AM Stereo on HD is possible but I've heard very > little about it being implemented.=20 WOR does their HD in stereo.=20 > Do the experts on our > forum think that if HD takes off for AM at some > point.....will it be stereo? I know that AM has had a good > bit of trouble with HD. I'm sure as the technology > progesses things perhaps will be worked out but what about > the stereo aspect? It's just hard for me to fathom in > almost 2009 that everything AM and FM isn't stereo. It can be but the signal has to be strong and interference free.=20 Stereo on FM analog can be a detriment in the mountains, or in areas of sev= ere multipath. Not a problem on VHF HD.=20 Powell Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (6)=20 5.=20 RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo Posted by: "scottn= 0bst@usfamily .net" scottn0bst@usfamily .net amstereodude Thu Aug 7, 2008 7= :30 pm (PDT) This is directed at the political lefties here. I'm ticked and= I'm ready to ditch this list. I've tried to be civil but I'm at a point wh= ere I'm going to unload and I don't care who gets hurt. You finger-pointing= socialists and your hatred of the rich are going to be the death of not on= ly our economy, but the very thing we're on this list to preserve- AM stere= o. Has it never occurred to any of you that we've done absolutely NOTHING o= f any effect to save it? The only way it'll happen is if one or more of us = get rich enough to buy our own stations! But no, you clowns that insist on being good little socialists because it's= "fair", not realizing many problems often are actually the cost of excess = government regulation pricing goods and services out of the market rather t= han "oppression" by "the rich." Not that there haven't been abuses, I'll fu= lly acknowlege that- Enron, Worldcom, etc. Bad business practices will like= ly be with us to the end of time but the alternative is good business pract= ices, not socialism. I'm not sure how or even if good business practices ca= n be legislated. Not sure who said it but there's a saying that goes roughl= y "If we don't let ourselves be governed by a few big rules [a reference to= the ten commandments, I believe] we'll be governed by a lot of little ones= ." Given our myriad of liliputian laws we're well into the latter part of t= he spectrum. I don't like hearing of an executive getting a huge severance just before b= ailing out of a failing company anymore than you do. But I have read a book= on the difference between effective and failing companies and it's called = The Oz Principle. One thing failing companies do is the same thing I've wit= nessed here and that's a lot of finger pointing. God help me to get rich so I can buy some AM stations and put AM stereo on = them. Get your lazy buns out of my way and let me do what needs to get done= . You're complaining is counterproductive. If that offends you, tough cooki= es! I'll gladly be part of the hated rich, though if you insist on voting f= or the socialist Obama I'm sure my currently slim chances will be reduced t= o none. BTW, I'll do everything I can to pay my employees fairly, but given= that radio is one of the most heavily regulated industries and the mulitpl= icity of medial alternatives that didn't exist even a decade ago it's VERY = hard to make a profit. It's NOT necessarily greed that has caused radio's w= oes. Executives aren't all overpaid versions of Arthur Carlson. [That's a W= KRP TV series reference for those too young to know.] Scott Todd I'm surprised I made it through without singling anyone out specifically. G= od knows I wanted to. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (1)=20 Recent Activity 9=20 New Files Visit Your Group=20 Only on Yahoo! World of Star Wars Meet fans, watch videos & more. Best of Y! Groups Check out the best of what Yahoo! Groups has to offer. Sell Online Start selling with our award-winning e-commerce tools. Need to Reply? Click one of the "Reply" links to respond to a specific message in the Dail= y Digest. Create New Topic | Visit Your Group on the Web=20 Messages | Files | Photos | Links=20 Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rum=20 Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required)=20 Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Individual | Switch format to= Traditional=20 Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe=20 Michael&Ross [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 21:46:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25356 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 04:46:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 04:46:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 04:46:22 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 04:46:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 04:46:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 04:46:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:46:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.203.47.245 From: "ai9e_qrp" Subject: Re: November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=241001136; y=P-9k6evok5-Tm64KYbnjuWqn5eShdtEtOemL850Ec73CuEw X-Yahoo-Profile: ai9e_qrp 'Why didn't Bush help after Katrina'? Wait a doggone minute - Compare what happened in New Orleans with what happened in Cedar Rapids this summer. We had 1300 city blocks under water and NOT ONE person drowned. Iowans aren't bleating to every TV camera about Bush not helping - because WE know how to get out of the way of a flood. Iowans haven't been infantilized from sucking the teat of the welfare state, and sit around helplessly. It has NOTHING to do with race - and everything to do with seeing government as a facilitator , rather than a nanny. Cedar Rapids will have rebuilt and back to business as usual while New Orleans is still sulking about Bush and FEMA. From rwagoner@cox.net Thu Aug 07 21:56:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwagoner@cox.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63177 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 04:56:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 04:56:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.112) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 04:56:33 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 04:56:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 04:56:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 04:56:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:56:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.225.240.86 From: "Richard Wagoner" Subject: Bye X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96123889; y=ZuXO-I70wLniDoTTMbBT9vjKc66iVxfPiL4qONplwzTlKiIxRohdVj8t_Hlx X-Yahoo-Profile: richardalanwagoner I'm not really leaving the group, but I just changed the setting so that I won't get any more emails. Maybe I'll try the group again when it actually becomes something close to AM stereo again. If I wanted politics, I would have joined a political group.=20 Until next time... From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Aug 07 22:27:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44811 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 05:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 05:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 05:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c3a.3ea55de5 (14457) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 01:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 01:27:32 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A long time sport voice silenced X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=VWKDwmj32QOMJbXuZ_xq8hDxvgAwB9MyKjMVWcnuTsddCwGu8Ne-2Qr1HSn6r5ww X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Skip died before his time. His father, Harry, was a legend in St. Louis and Chicago. Harry was the announcer for St. Louis Cardinals for many years. It was rumored Harry had to move on to Chicago because of a romantic involvement with Gussie Busch's wife. Gussie owned the Cardinals as well as controlled Anheuser Busch. No Bud for Harry. Fortunately, Harry had a young protege by the name of Jack Buck who soon grew to fill his shoes with the Cards. St. Louis lost Jack a couple of years ago. Jack, like Harry and Skip was a broadcast legend. I am certain they're all sharing that great broadcast booth in the sky. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Aug 07 22:30:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81494 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 05:30:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 05:30:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 05:30:31 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.d00.39ad29ef (14457) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 01:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 01:30:25 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=JE3BqkjHUDzioxWwTkHfMqoNn8Z-5B1igu_5Uhr0vATwqYR2428mdPV4jtHhLBbR X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/4/08 8:41:09 AM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > McCain's policies are not the same as Bush. They don't like each other very > well. > Neither did Trotsky and Lenin. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Aug 07 22:36:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64761 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 05:36:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 05:36:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 05:36:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c6c.2e4c3af4 (14457) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 01:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 01:36:35 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Pb2zFuZBzVPG1FNJqATlWYSULMskvelYsZIiRECOf2RnluqtOXdnWfjAe75JOsiU X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan hits the nail on the head. The world generally loves America and things American. They're just not happy with the things our government does that doesn't live up to our own ideals. Much like liberals here. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Aug 07 22:43:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66755 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 05:43:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 05:43:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 05:43:06 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.bcd.33d823e1 (14457) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 01:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 01:43:02 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=CMdZ_nb_yodxlYnAF28zmw7mqIfcM8uFvfHfWiCxHIbVczglXSD1mBfX5KGvRAr6 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/08 9:34:15 PM Central Daylight Time, big_h00pla@yahoo.com writes: > And China is very leftist. > I hope you are being sarcastic, Kevin. China is totalitarian state. That's not my definition of being on the left. The National Socialist Party in Germany during the 1930s was anything put socialist. Neither was the Socialist Republics which made up the former USSR. Socialist countries are like The Netherlands and Sweden. Trust me, their cultures are the antithesis of Nazi Germany, the USSR, and China. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Aug 07 22:47:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27323 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 05:47:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 05:47:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 05:47:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.cad.39c4bb31 (14457) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 01:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 01:47:37 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=H07VdhCPcA2Xs7t8fC2FOFd3DyL7m-239lvDc-S2RevP5mN0wPoFfPy53f3ttlgi X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/7/08 3:40:11 AM Central Daylight Time, dav259@optusnet.com.au writes: > We Aussies don't hate Americans Scott. We love you. And we're not all > leftist like me. > > We just detest your current White House administration for all the > unnecessary grief that it's caused, and we'd love to see a positive change. > I think we need some "regime change" in Washington as well. Aussies don't hate America. They're some decent blokes. Who else could love our Ampliphase? Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 22:49:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96879 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 05:49:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 05:49:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.140) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 05:49:57 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 05:49:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 05:49:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 05:49:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:49:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <016b01c8f8ff$4284af80$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.44 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=m9HCBXHv9g2eDP4Qr-i4CxoLmu6vd4U4kdZ0mqSP44oXU4Fk_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > This is directed at the political lefties here. I'm ticked and=20 I'm ready to ditch this list. I've tried to be civil but I'm at a=20 point where I'm going to unload and I don't care who gets hurt. You=20 finger-pointing socialists and your hatred of the rich are going to=20 be the death of not only our economy, but the very thing we're on=20 this list to preserve- AM stereo. Has it never occurred to any of=20 you that we've done absolutely NOTHING of any effect to save it?=20=20 The only way it'll happen is if one or more of us get rich enough to=20 buy our own stations! >=20 > But no, you clowns that insist on being good little socialists=20 because it's "fair", not realizing many problems often are actually=20 the cost of excess government regulation pricing goods and services=20 out of the market rather than "oppression" by "the rich." Not that=20 there haven't been abuses, I'll fully acknowlege that- Enron,=20 Worldcom, etc. Bad business practices will likely be with us to the=20 end of time but the alternative is good business practices, not=20 socialism. I'm not sure how or even if good business practices can=20 be legislated. Not sure who said it but there's a saying that goes=20 roughly "If we don't let ourselves be governed by a few big rules [a=20 reference to the ten commandments, I believe] we'll be governed by a=20 lot of little ones." Given our myriad of liliputian laws we're well=20 into the latter part of the spectrum. >=20 > I don't like hearing of an executive getting a huge severance just=20 before bailing out of a failing company anymore than you do. But I=20 have read a book on the difference between effective and failing=20 companies and it's called The Oz Principle. One thing failing=20 companies do is the same thing I've witnessed here and that's a lot=20 of finger pointing. >=20 > God help me to get rich so I can buy some AM stations and put AM=20 stereo on them. Get your lazy buns out of my way and let me do what=20 needs to get done. You're complaining is counterproductive. If=20 that offends you, tough cookies! I'll gladly be part of the hated=20 rich, though if you insist on voting for the socialist Obama I'm=20 sure my currently slim chances will be reduced to none. BTW, I'll=20 do everything I can to pay my employees fairly, but given that radio=20 is one of the most heavily regulated industries and the mulitplicity=20 of medial alternatives that didn't exist even a decade ago it's VERY=20 hard to make a profit. It's NOT necessarily greed that has caused=20 radio's woes. Executives aren't all overpaid versions of Arthur=20 Carlson. [That's a WKRP TV series reference for those too young to=20 know.] >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 Take it easy, Scott!!! I'm not socialist, or comunist, or "lefties". I don't trust in the=20 political world. I want a better world, a better place for the AM=20 world, but I know it is impossible if the radio station owners don't=20 change their kind of mind. And, I don't think the fact to say it=20 means to be a socialist. I'm not a USA citizen (I live in Chile, miles away from you), so I=20 don't want to care about Obama or McCain. But, unfortunately, Chile=20 and USA are economical and political partners, so... less or more=20 your decisions influence our lives. Chile follows the stupid FCC=20 decisions, too!!! So, wanted or not, we live in a global world, a=20 global town, a global very little town. If USA sneezes, Chile has a=20 cold. I just wonder if USA has learnt from the past mistakes. Chile=20 doesn't. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Aug 07 22:50:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80834 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 05:50:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 05:50:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 05:50:33 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.bf7.3f124760 (14457) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 01:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 01:50:17 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=XB8APryyGHeK-h-9e362EMfiAytG4fzFFv1h80jcKCZ-vmorxGl9ASKeynRc3_Pk X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are there any members old enough to remember "On the Beach"? Even after what happened, the Aussie's took us in. Aussie hospitality is second to none. Ask any soldier how has chewed dirt with them. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Aug 07 22:55:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46916 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 05:55:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 05:55:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 05:55:26 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c4a.3369b5f7 (14457) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 01:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 01:55:20 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=HNojYyFEBItEUibsEIJKejPgufwJuKV4NHPVASUsFgiOv4JvcrPAdOprH3LA2FkH X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gosh, when I logged in and saw all the posts on this thread, I thought the NAB put a proposal in the FCC docket to outlaw analog AM in November. How come the controversy over tangential vs. linear phase modulation of the AMS signal never got this kind of attention? Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Aug 07 23:01:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65766 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 06:01:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 06:01:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 06:01:31 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c31.3ad431ff (14457) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 02:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 02:01:26 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=hmPoOv0oA5dQVYSqeDrmlNxcr7HZEo7ArN_aMtbbDvBJ0blozsiELi0oAzfKoNwX X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/7/08 9:58:56 AM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > They love our money > Been abroad, lately? That must be why the Bureau de Change wanted so many of my greenbacks for a few Euros. I was short on Euros, so I tipped a valet with an American five-spot and he looked at me like I spit in his hand. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 07 23:06:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18510 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 06:06:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 06:06:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 06:06:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 69954 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 06:06:40 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:06:40 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 06:06:40 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <428376.68548.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bye X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=XTih65-A9rTT4lAWxrTx17bLj78iMEpmeCDRNlvh7aufdr2y5ERp X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We still do!=A0 I think what its turned into is a bunch of people who know = each other a little better and just discuss anything on the table but trust= me our hearts are all in AM Stereo.=A0 I think what you find here are real= americans who, although may disagree on some things, still love their coun= try.=A0 Don't take things so serious!=A0 We bitch and moan at each other on= here a lot on different things but we always shake hands.=A0 Well electron= ically anyway!=A0 The thing I like about this list is that there is good de= bate on it, most times on AM Stereo or other technology, but good debate!= =A0 Theres just a lot of people on here on both sides of the fence that don= 't mind expressing their viewpoints.=A0 That's not a bad thing, that shows = you our country is working!=A0 Think I worry about this list all day or eve= n after posting? Nope.. I don't take it that serious.=A0 I may disagree to = the hilt with someone but I still like to read their ideas on things.=A0 Ri= chard don't take things so seriously! =A0 -Kevin --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Richard Wagoner wrote: From: Richard Wagoner Subject: {AMSF} Bye To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 12:56 AM I'm not really leaving the group, but I just changed the setting so that I won't get any more emails. Maybe I'll try the group again when it actually becomes something close to AM stereo again. If I wanted politics, I would have joined a political group.=20 Until next time... =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Aug 07 23:07:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9232 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 06:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 06:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 06:07:15 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.bc6.2cd58768 (14457) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 02:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 02:07:14 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=_QU-yWkDX_W4yTNFCxFok5FykODMRoGRgytIjU4VIPnwZNu-k9Mojh5mPjShRXyA X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/7/08 12:58:24 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Last time I checked, air-time is NOT cheap! Come to St. Louis. We're the Walmart of airtime. The morning and evening drive guy (same one) on one station squeegies windshields during the day when he is not selling blood at the blood bank. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Aug 07 23:10:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86956 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 06:10:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 06:10:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 06:10:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.cd7.390387f4 (14457) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 02:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 02:10:51 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=F_LAO0FLTEe3dGpvrhzyz_-5MbCizo8Z132M4dpt9TD686aqdH9MAQPPLPn1ygQ5 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/7/08 2:37:33 PM Central Daylight Time, clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk writes: > I believe this has went way off topic and we need to bring it back to AM > Stereo Yes. With AM Stereo, you could put Laura Ingram on the right channel and Randi Rhodes on the left and just use the balance control on the receiver end to dial in the fairness desired to your taste. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Aug 07 23:14:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16677 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 06:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 06:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 06:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.cb3.3accfd1a (14457) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 02:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 02:13:58 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=jxCn0IRNsioGP5xAD53JlJMeN6ZA0Ii_qZBkBRnB_n9M2GlUQR7d_usujkiEZwUn X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/7/08 2:58:18 PM Central Daylight Time, clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk writes: > Very true today with this MP3 stuff and all. It's got a lil better on that > front but MP3 is still MP3. The problem with MP3 is the more you listen to it, the more "normal" it sounds until you don't remember what real high fidelity is. Just listen to an analog CD vs. MP3 of the same recording if you need a reminder. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Aug 07 23:23:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14722 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 06:23:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 06:23:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 06:23:11 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c6e.26dc5d44 (14457) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 02:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 02:23:07 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=CoXqRWVUmgxNtFlBlUYsRAaRRXXX142JojozqtuHoP-yHmsLDnzwqlC4vNdWXkBU X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone still use carts anymore? I seem to recall they were 7.5 ips. That's all WHB used. The problem was the playlist rotation was so short, carts had to be retired frequently as the HF end would degrade. I believe the 8-track tapes were 3.75 ips. That, coupled with the narrow tracks and flimsy tape transport, made for fidelity that AM could beat. I have a KXOK aircheck which includes a spot for Lear 8-track for "only those who demanded the very best". Right..... Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 07 23:24:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11348 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 06:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 06:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 06:24:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54193 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 06:24:47 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:24:47 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 06:24:47 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <829171.54083.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=w7qanFU195ypcnp3g1lUHdekFmbLAvJr9TQUNW2lasfOL_M347lN X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You know if anything I think our rants about am stereo help.=A0 At least we= speak with a loud voice and promote what we think is a better medium for A= M radio.=A0 The one thing i'd like to see more of on AM is music.=A0 Even i= f a station were to process and broadcast in mono it can be done with reaso= nable fidelity.=A0 With the right programming, good on air personalities, a= nd local news and weather it can work.=A0 It does work, just check out WNMB= or WKDK.=A0 Both have online streams you can listen to.=A0 I'd prefer AM m= usic stations to go stereo but if mono and done right then ok.=A0 For one s= ometimes I just use a portable.=A0 I'm a radio nut and have been since I wa= s a kid lying in the bed at night tuning in distant stations on my pocket t= ransistor.=A0 I had one of those little red ones that was AM only so no FM = antenna.=A0 Everything was just concealed and nice and handy.=A0 I think I = also had a blue one once.=A0 I'd like to find me a classic one on ebay like that!=A0 At any rate what im saying is that on those you can't tell if its= stereo or mono but you can tell a few other things.=A0 You can even tell w= hen theres good processing on a small radio because things are clear and cl= ean.=A0 You can also tell good programming and talent.=A0 It comes down to = this.=A0 We all know and would admit FM Stereo kicks even AM Stereo's butt = frequency response wise but we love the medium.=A0 I'd much rather have an = AM Stereo station with good programming, processing, talent, and local news= and weather any day over the glam big FM's of today.=A0 Heck i'd take an A= M mono over the others for programming and talent.=A0 I still say that AM r= eproduces the human voice closer to the norm than FM.=A0 To me FM sounds to= o fake and crispy.=A0 I'm gonna be hoest with the list and say that I absol= utely cannot stand the talk format on FM.=A0 To my ears talk sounds best on= AM.=A0 It's smoother to me.=A0 I haven't bought into HD yet and won't for = some time.=A0 Number one i'm waiting to see what this all becomes.=A0 Number tw= o I'm waiting to see what AM does with it, if anything.=A0 Number three i'm= waiting till they perfect the receivers more with better circuitry and sof= tware.=A0 I'm not the biggest proponent of all this digital craze thats goi= ng on but I realize that it is where things are going.=A0 I think it will g= et better but I don't know what they are going to do to correct the problem= s with AM.=A0 A lot of people have been fooled by the TV digital conversion= .=A0 That only affects people on antenna.=A0 If you are on cable or satelli= te you'll still receive the NTSC signal.=A0 Now yes if you get TV through a= ntenna you'll need a new tv or one of the converter boxes.=A0 The thing tho= ugh is that almost everyone these days are on cable or satellite.=A0 At lea= st everyone I know is.=A0 TV though is a different story.=A0 I am for TV be= ing high definition and wide screen since movies are shot in widescreen.=A0= Radio is different and I don't feel that the need is that dire for it.=A0 I supp= ose the main gain by having HD radio is having more programming with those = extra sub channels.=A0 We'll just have to wait and see where all this goes! =A0 -Kevin --- On Fri, 8/8/08, jotape1960 wrote: From: jotape1960 Subject: {AMSF} Re: RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stere= o To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 1:49 AM --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, wrote: > > This is directed at the political lefties here. I'm ticked and=20 I'm ready to ditch this list. I've tried to be civil but I'm at a=20 point where I'm going to unload and I don't care who gets hurt. You=20 finger-pointing socialists and your hatred of the rich are going to=20 be the death of not only our economy, but the very thing we're on=20 this list to preserve- AM stereo. Has it never occurred to any of=20 you that we've done absolutely NOTHING of any effect to save it?=20 The only way it'll happen is if one or more of us get rich enough to=20 buy our own stations! >=20 > But no, you clowns that insist on being good little socialists=20 because it's "fair", not realizing many problems often are actually=20 the cost of excess government regulation pricing goods and services=20 out of the market rather than "oppression" by "the rich." Not that=20 there haven't been abuses, I'll fully acknowlege that- Enron,=20 Worldcom, etc. Bad business practices will likely be with us to the=20 end of time but the alternative is good business practices, not=20 socialism. I'm not sure how or even if good business practices can=20 be legislated. Not sure who said it but there's a saying that goes=20 roughly "If we don't let ourselves be governed by a few big rules [a=20 reference to the ten commandments, I believe] we'll be governed by a=20 lot of little ones." Given our myriad of liliputian laws we're well=20 into the latter part of the spectrum. >=20 > I don't like hearing of an executive getting a huge severance just=20 before bailing out of a failing company anymore than you do. But I=20 have read a book on the difference between effective and failing=20 companies and it's called The Oz Principle. One thing failing=20 companies do is the same thing I've witnessed here and that's a lot=20 of finger pointing. >=20 > God help me to get rich so I can buy some AM stations and put AM=20 stereo on them. Get your lazy buns out of my way and let me do what=20 needs to get done. You're complaining is counterproductive. If=20 that offends you, tough cookies! I'll gladly be part of the hated=20 rich, though if you insist on voting for the socialist Obama I'm=20 sure my currently slim chances will be reduced to none. BTW, I'll=20 do everything I can to pay my employees fairly, but given that radio=20 is one of the most heavily regulated industries and the mulitplicity=20 of medial alternatives that didn't exist even a decade ago it's VERY=20 hard to make a profit. It's NOT necessarily greed that has caused=20 radio's woes. Executives aren't all overpaid versions of Arthur=20 Carlson. [That's a WKRP TV series reference for those too young to=20 know.] >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 Take it easy, Scott!!! I'm not socialist, or comunist, or "lefties". I don't trust in the=20 political world. I want a better world, a better place for the AM=20 world, but I know it is impossible if the radio station owners don't=20 change their kind of mind. And, I don't think the fact to say it=20 means to be a socialist. I'm not a USA citizen (I live in Chile, miles away from you), so I=20 don't want to care about Obama or McCain. But, unfortunately, Chile=20 and USA are economical and political partners, so... less or more=20 your decisions influence our lives. Chile follows the stupid FCC=20 decisions, too!!! So, wanted or not, we live in a global world, a=20 global town, a global very little town. If USA sneezes, Chile has a=20 cold. I just wonder if USA has learnt from the past mistakes. Chile=20 doesn't. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 07 23:25:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50205 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 06:25:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 06:25:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 06:25:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54378 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 06:25:54 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:25:54 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 06:25:54 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <629391.53671.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=3iKuFdwBxHDtZpRuQAVTsKEPvD4pT3MC-pMpZKLw-Wh_WzG0eZcj X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ha!=A0 What about the platform shift?=A0 Would they each change sides for t= he others point of view? ! !=A0=A0 LO!L!!=A0 ;o) --- On Fri, 8/8/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 2:10 AM In a message dated 8/7/08 2:37:33 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 clemsonbloke@ yahoo.co. uk writes: > I believe this has went way off topic and we need to bring it back to AM= =20 > Stereo Yes. With AM Stereo, you could put Laura Ingram on the right channel and=20 Randi Rhodes on the left and just use the balance control on the receiver e= nd to=20 dial in the fairness desired to your taste. Mike ************ ** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your=20 budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos. aol.com/cars- BMW-128-2008/ expert-review? ncid=3Daolaut0005= 0 000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Aug 07 23:29:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22949 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 06:29:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 06:29:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 06:29:22 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.be2.329e4350 (14457) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 02:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 02:29:16 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=k45PeAFjuQ-n93H792VTfHN0RJvvnlnTh4TJAbp6sqCbDsQPvA-rpA2AcIBrm6y5 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am confused. The ISB signal is digital. The raw signal, no matter where it is put, would be just chirps, if they were audible at all. I believe the ISB signal is so far down, it would not effect the CQUAM signal, at least at the transmitter end, if the CQUAM system had enough bandwidth. The CQUAM exciters I am aware of have brickwall low pass filters which would not pass the ISB signal. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 07 23:29:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42336 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 06:29:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 06:29:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 06:29:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49118 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 06:29:41 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:29:41 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 06:29:41 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <482169.49103.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=hHW-wUBkG-ENXr3zhBYQ-FgyikRikHgt_Qoq0d6AH21ijZ1X3D3R X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, =A0 Oh I agree 110% with you here.=A0=A0I am a CD man myself.=A0 I also have ta= pes and records.=A0 The main brunt of my collection though is CD.=A0 I have= maybe 5,000-7,000 MP3's on the computer but those are for making mix CD's = for fun.=A0 I play around with all formats including MD, DAT, and reel to r= eel as well.=A0 I'm one of the nerds on the list that has all the formats.= =A0 I feel though that we said nerds are a good resource though!=A0 We can = review equipment or formats for others to read about on here.=A0 Believe me= a lot of us men on here, and girls too!, are just a bunch of nerds! =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Fri, 8/8/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 2:13 AM In a message dated 8/7/08 2:58:18 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 clemsonbloke@ yahoo.co. uk writes: > Very true today with this MP3 stuff and all. It's got a lil better on tha= t=20 > front but MP3 is still MP3.=20 The problem with MP3 is the more you listen to it, the more "normal" it=20 sounds until you don't remember what real high fidelity is. Just listen to = an=20 analog CD vs. MP3 of the same recording if you need a reminder. Mike ************ ** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your=20 budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos. aol.com/cars- BMW-128-2008/ expert-review? ncid=3Daolaut0005= 0 000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 07 23:42:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93391 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 06:42:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 06:42:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 06:42:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 65442 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 06:42:10 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:42:10 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 06:42:10 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <692740.65224.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ITyQeNICDKNQGQr67DCnm_o8iauruld3OF11fS48Od7Wsy4-sza9 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, Ha gotta love it!=A0 Actually those Lear models were quite good, they were = built better than the other 8 tracks.=A0 The big problem is as the format w= ent on they got cheaper and cheaper on the decks and the tapes.=A0 Many of = those old tapes had the foam pressure pads that always rotted out.=A0 The L= ear tapes and the RCA ones were the best ones made.=A0 They had the metal p= ressure plates with real cloth pads that didn't break like the others.=A0 W= hat you'll also notice is the lear stuff and the RCA tapes were made of a h= igher grade plastic with real screws versus those later plastic snap togeth= er types.=A0 They are also more square and fit the player better and didn't= bob back and forth like later tapes.=A0 8 track though wasn't the brightes= t format but it was good for its time.=A0 It was supposed to be easy and wa= s created for the automobile market.=A0 They were pretty neat for the 1960'= s.=A0 I read somewhere where Elvis Presley had a turntable in one of his cadillacs back in the day.=A0 Now could you imagine that?=A0 You'd have to= pull over to play a song as to avoid the record skipping and the tone arm = flying off the record!!=A0 That's a hoot but back then that was high cotton= .=A0 As far as carts my college still has working cart machines and carts a= lthough no one uses them.=A0 They are still in the rack though.=A0 It's fun= ny cause I went back to college for this broadcast degree.=A0 See I already= had a bachelors.=A0 Well so here I am a little older (in my 30's versus th= e kids 18-22 there)=A0 so they would ask me stuff about tape and mixing thi= ngs the old way.=A0 I had a kid ask me how the cassette deck worked.=A0 We = have one of those Tascam models with the real VU meters on it.=A0 I forget = the model number, I could look it up but anyway.=A0 So I brought in some ch= rome and metal oxide tapes one day to show him how it worked.=A0 I recorded= some things and played it back.=A0 He was amazed at how good it sounded.= =A0 He was like "thats a cassette?".=A0 He thought because it was older technology th= at it just must be sooo inferior.=A0 Ha I had a good time with the younger = crowd.=A0 One day I had to spool up the reel to reel and show it off.=A0 No= ne of those kids know how to work any of that older equipment.=A0 They star= e at it as if afraid to touch it!=A0 I always got kids asking me about this= or that.=A0 Some do want to learn and some are passionate about learning a= bout older technology.=A0 They just don't know how to work it!=A0 I was jus= t glad I could show some of them and play around with the old classic gear.= =A0 At any rate though yes some still do have carts.=A0 I think Paul down a= t WABV has some working cart machines as well.=A0 I think he even has a goo= d bit of working tapes.=A0 Ask him about it.=A0 But yeah 8 track takes the = cake for the crappy tape syndrome! =A0 -Kevin --- On Fri, 8/8/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 2:23 AM Does anyone still use carts anymore? I seem to recall they were 7.5 ips.=20 That's all WHB used. The problem was the playlist rotation was so short, ca= rts=20 had to be retired frequently as the HF end would degrade. I believe the 8-track tapes were 3.75 ips. That, coupled with the narrow=20 tracks and flimsy tape transport, made for fidelity that AM could beat. I h= ave a=20 KXOK aircheck which includes a spot for Lear 8-track for "only those who=20 demanded the very best". Right..... Mike ************ ** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your=20 budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos. aol.com/cars- BMW-128-2008/ expert-review? ncid=3Daolaut0005= 0 000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@optusnet.com.au Fri Aug 08 01:42:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53808 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 08:42:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 08:42:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.188) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 08:42:41 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d122-104-70-209.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [122.104.70.209]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m788gclV005957 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:42:40 +1000 To: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:42:37 +1000 Message-ID: <00c901c8f932$b6f09400$0301010a@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acj5Gq+Q/hwVBkKIQrGyibzHGCxSQwAFf+sQ X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=01xw4wzKY2fOpNv7cuR1xVpCDX896qjlzTAvkdi9VE5y X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 From: m j grant > Are there any members old enough to remember "On the > Beach"? Even after what happened, the Aussie's took us > in. Aussie hospitality is second to none. Ask any soldier > how has chewed dirt with them. Yo Mike! Both versions of 'On The Beach' were made in and about Melbourne. Ava Gardner (while making the late 50s version) was reported as saying what an appropriate place to make a movie about the end of the world. And things were pretty backward and dowdy way back then in the days of the "White Australia Policy" (liquor wasn't even allowed to be sold at pubs after 6:00 pm). Since then we've had migrants from everywhere - and Oz has become a cosmopolitan paradise with wonderful eateries of all sorts of cuisines. And we all get on pretty well together. Melbourne has won the honour of being the world's most liveable city several times, and is still up there with the best. It was our "socialist" Labor Party government which forged our great alliance with the US after WWII ... and it has never been stronger. You lot will always be our greatest friends ... despite whoever sits in the White House. Ian Melbourne From dav259@optusnet.com.au Fri Aug 08 02:22:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63461 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 09:22:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 09:22:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.187) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 09:22:20 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d122-104-70-209.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [122.104.70.209]) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m789MFFT012505 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 19:22:16 +1000 To: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 19:22:14 +1000 Message-ID: <00d801c8f938$3f9d3010$0301010a@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <016b01c8f8ff$4284af80$d503fea9@stodd> Thread-Index: Acj4/sH895+39dU6REuZ4lZmU2w08QANQ5SQ X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=wrPxhjo_57OQdx_bkt5ixvLOrKGfgPoYp5E9UwB6uZCm X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 From: Scott Todd > I'm surprised I made it through without singling > anyone out specifically. God knows I wanted to. God bless you Scott. And ... as Tevye said in 'Fiddler On The Roof' - let's leave it in His hands. Now Scott - Get real! Unlike you, most people on this list (or anywhere else for that matter) have no great wish to be filthy rich. They just want to be happy and healthy. They just want (what we call in Oz) "a fair go". It always amazes me when people talk about winning the lotto and what they would do with the money. It's pie in the sky, and frankly it wouldn't make the average person much happier ... though it may make misery somewhat more comfortable. Owning a radio station is totally unrealistic for most of us here on this list. There are so many contributing factors as to why AM stereo has pretty much failed in the countries that tried to embrace it. There were bad government decisions - like the FCC not mandating a best system. Also the manufacturers not being forced to supply AMS in any radio that had FMS reception. Plus the radio stations generally doing precious little to promote it. But there are people here on this list who actually have done nothing to promote it either ... other than whinge to us who are the choir already singing from the same page. How many of you have contacted radio stations praising them for wonderful AMS reception? How many of you bothered to complain to radio stations when they dropped their stereo signal? The fault is YOURS as much as anyone else's, because as I've said before, there are no votes in radio. And just between you me and the gatepost - YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE! You have helped kill AM stereo radio. And Scott ... the success or failure of AMS radio has nothing to do with whether you (or your government) is or was right or left wing. It was a world-wide stuffup. It was BLOODY WONDERFUL while it lasted. After just over 20 years of happily listening to AMS on a daily basis, I still miss it heaps! Ian Melbourne From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 04:30:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63742 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 11:30:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 11:30:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.147) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 11:30:05 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.225] by n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 11:30:05 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.242] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 11:30:05 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp403.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 11:30:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 587549.76895.bm@omp403.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 63824 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 11:30:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@72.161.197.227 with plain) by smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 11:30:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7Kp0sbAVM1m4jRHr7rfarhvgxisLRh3MoyivRCCiL.82k92YXI_uk5T5zsQVNggCH60sfCW_03JiXzO6rRF2CXDDe90w5oKg.HfFMESiwl9KTOSDgG_3cYDljNEKO1lU7A-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <781200.56920.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <781200.56920.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 06:30:03 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=YPkQOqtw614too9sXRAVIYxaW_EmUhTYZwbztXr88o9hgW5Eww X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 7, 2008, at 10:55 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > I tried to bring this back to AM stereo but you keep opening your > mouth. Amen. Kevin From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 04:52:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39917 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 11:52:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 11:52:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.234) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 11:52:55 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 11:52:55 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 11:52:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 11:52:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 11:52:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.17.239 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=RDbtWlMl-K_8ktzyGLSZVrckga6m4OzPpui5wQN4_uD-pF_t X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I am confused. The ISB signal is digital. The raw signal, no matter where=20 > it is put, would be just chirps, if they were audible at all. >=20 > I believe the ISB signal is so far down, it would not effect the CQUAM=20 > signal, at least at the transmitter end, if the CQUAM system had enough bandwidth.=20=20 > The CQUAM exciters I am aware of have brickwall low pass filters which would=20 > not pass the ISB signal. I consider this a fairly ignorant statement, so I'll try to explain. ISB=3DIndependent SideBand The Kahn/Hazeltine ISB system, and almost every other ISB technique, involves phase cancellation of the sidebands. Almost, except for one proposal from the 1930s that was patented, involving a simple diode filter that allowed independent modulation of the upper and lower sidebands directly. The problem with this system is that it isn't compatible with envelope detectors. The basic premise of phased AM originates with a patent for suppressed-carrier single-sideband (SSB) radio, which was developed during WW1 (yes, ONE, not #2), which both AT&T and Western Electric would submit, and be awarded, competing patents for both phase-cancelled ISB and QUAM, using the same techniques. (BOTH companies had a patent each for both systems- 4 core patents applied for within a single month.) The principle difference between phase-cancelled ISB and straight QUAM involved the polarity of the (L-R) input- One way got plain QUAM; the other, causing sidebands to cancel out in a way that achieved true independent-sideband stereo. Even in QUAM, there is phase cancellation, but is practically irrelevant to the receiving of the stereo audio. (Try listening to a C-QUAM station on nan SRF-A100 in ISB mode- You'll hear stereo, but it won't sound right.) Both systems are fed by (L+R)/(L-R) inputs- It's just how the (L-R) signal's phase is 180deg. out of phase of the other. Both the (L+R) and (L-R) components in an AM stereo signal have their own pairs of sidebands. Both pairs are received, and the sidebands cross each other out. C-QUAM, instead of using an I/Q synchronous detection method as is the case with pure QUAM, uses an E/Q method, which allows for compatibility with more common envelope-detector radios. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 05:01:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23801 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 12:01:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 12:01:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.134) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 12:01:02 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 12:01:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 12:01:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 12:01:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:01:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.17.239 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=n4-Xb84Gb4hKsj2HIZTrEt_x1KvgGTg9ZHBtUV9UT2zIDCnz X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding wrote: > >=20 > On Aug 7, 2008, at 10:55 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: >=20 > > I tried to bring this back to AM stereo but you keep opening your=20=20 > > mouth. >=20 > Amen. Scott had been making political pot-shots well before the current melee- It was inevitable that the melee would happen. :( Coupled with his "every engineer is wrong and I am right", I've lost alot of respect for the man. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Aug 08 05:04:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4812 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 12:04:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 12:04:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.59) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 12:04:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 72025 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 12:04:26 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:04:26 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:04:26 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <746629.71479.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Vfs40vyyCtQc_ZaAypTDJo1cgcsoWxV-nO-P_5RM28CkXn0NfY8C X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Amy, =A0 I tied to bring it back to AM Stereo :o)=A0 oh well!=A0 Tried! =A0 -Kevin --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Amy Mousie wrote: From: Amy Mousie Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stere= o To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 8:01 AM --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, kevin redding wrote: > >=20 > On Aug 7, 2008, at 10:55 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: >=20 > > I tried to bring this back to AM stereo but you keep opening your=20 > > mouth. >=20 > Amen. Scott had been making political pot-shots well before the current melee- It was inevitable that the melee would happen. :( Coupled with his "every engineer is wrong and I am right", I've lost alot of respect for the man. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 05:11:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54127 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 12:11:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 12:11:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 12:11:31 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 12:11:28 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 12:11:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 12:11:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:11:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <746629.71479.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.17.239 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=cbmpK9DkNMFYw6Vg4gdIQir23Klai6gzPGbvCemPpOB9jGKr X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke wrote: > > Amy, > =A0 > I tied to bring it back to AM Stereo :o)=A0 oh well!=A0 Tried! I know, I know-- It doesn't help that I have strong liberal views, too, so I'm just as guilty... :P Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 05:12:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18349 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 12:12:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 12:12:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.24) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 12:12:21 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n32.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 12:12:21 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.245] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 12:12:21 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 12:12:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 259068.24284.bm@omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 73394 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 12:12:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.121.109.73 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 12:12:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3pRlBeIVM1kwjaWYgb7hBOAVXgVGPZjpXzXP5DPvemnTc.xE0S2ucCUAjPyVFDCOI_VIkoUv8_5B0tTBTvo7SmbrRwe9.p_XIckF08NlmipSMTbIwSO3PPyp1T8_dcS8iQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <517096D6-F236-4560-A947-EF460AD39E13@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 07:12:19 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=J6HblAFHpf3Im5HjvPCDTpUJ-oxcM9UOnn4Wn-or4TyXcuIDqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Scott had been making political pot-shots well before the current > melee- It was inevitable that the melee would happen. :( Coupled with > his "every engineer is wrong and I am right", I've lost alot of > respect for the man. When I got the uninvited political messages off list and heard it here I couldn't take it anymore. I can't wait for November. I swear to God I hope all the righties are put in some corner to stand like the little petulant kid. They have destroyed everything they touched. Conservatives can't see that helping others and not exploiting people will help the whole world but instead they seem to have the attitude, "I got mine and you aren't getting in on even being able to work to get some for yourself too." It seems that if you begin to make enough money to have a good life they pull the rug out from under you and send your job to some third world nation. Its so bad that the nation, towns and cities don't have enough people working to support the tax base to provide basic services. Kids are not getting school books, music and art cut from the curriculum, food assistance cut, the Republicans are even cutting VA and wounded warrior care during a war because of lack of a tax base for all the jobs they sent overseas. For me, the last eight years have been like looking into the gates of hell. It wouldn't take a lot for the Republicans to push us through the portal. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 06:45:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11382 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 13:45:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 13:45:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 13:45:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 89140 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 13:45:19 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.153] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:45:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 06:45:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <524124.50105.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <70709.88270.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=vX3DCwV9BwhOzlshugwIKRc-gK62Ub2ZldUnMLz1fU4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: \ > Saddam was terrible but he had nothing to do with 9 11. > You are grossly misinformed sir. So you talked to him and he told you so? Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 06:52:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55116 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 13:52:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 13:52:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 13:52:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16824 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 13:52:26 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.153] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:52:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 06:52:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <699163.45873.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <921692.16399.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: encoding rates X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ZaLBnspKJtz80F9FrvLvl5XtCZOM9t5AnREicaJtVfU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW In this day of the capability of large drives....terrabyte drives, it's just unthinkable to use any scheme of compression. Pure uncompressed audio is THE only way to go. Even portable devices are getting where they have enormous storage capabilities. In radio, though, if anyone proposed using Mp3 for music, they need to see the door with a big footprint in their ass. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 8/8/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > > Yeah MP3 is interesting but it all depends on the coding > scheme. Believe it or not theres lots of MP3 options > in Adobe Audition and it has this one coding scheme were it > actually sounds pretty decent at 96kbps. > -Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 06:58:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62255 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 13:58:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 13:58:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 13:58:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98967 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 13:58:46 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.153] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:58:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 06:58:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <877219.98937.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Maxnhrah3cXgADfBIJVE0xO_5hRo0QCFXa2qpKO2Xe4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 8/8/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > McCain's policies are not the same as Bush. They > don't like each other very well. > Neither did Trotsky and Lenin. And Trotsky was murdered.......... by.................. Powell From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Aug 08 06:59:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55515 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 13:59:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 13:59:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 13:59:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6677 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 13:59:02 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:59:02 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:59:02 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <517096D6-F236-4560-A947-EF460AD39E13@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <305944.6195.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Scb8EQT7GLAaIw_QLP03IrdMCngtcKuA29pypLXUNtETHKnK3voU X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thats the damn truth!=A0 They call it class envy when we point out how the = monetary distribution in this country flows.=A0 Greedy bastards is what the= y are.=A0 Why some of these poor people blindly follow and take up for thes= e worthless idiots is beyond me.=A0 Course all the networks were talking ab= out voters one night.=A0 You know what they said?=A0 They said democrats te= nd to be better educated than republican voters.=A0 I guess those repubs do= n't need education because they have the trust fund and inheritance from da= ddy.=A0 One thing I've noticed with those types is they will argue things t= hat they have no clue about.=A0 It's always funny to me when uneducated peo= ple seem to think they know more than the educated ones.=A0 They try so har= d with their BS and are convinced they are right and that an educated perso= n is wrong.=A0 Oh yeah I've heard them use the "educated idiot" thing befor= e and it's hilarious.=A0 Course those types always want to talk about respe= ct too, something they do not have and know nothing about.=A0 If they did the= y wouldn't be arguing with far better educated people than themselves on su= bjects they are devoid of thought on.=A0 I usually just let them spill thei= r "know it all" attitude and let them believe they are right instead of tea= ching them where they are wrong.=A0 It doesn't pay to try to teach those ty= pes.=A0 Remember?=A0 They didn't want to attend school in the first place h= ence not going on to school.=A0 They don't want to learn anything or where = they are wrong.=A0 In their minds they are always right.=A0 It really is a = waste of yours and my time talking to people like that and trying to get th= em to see the light.=A0 They never will.=A0 They'd rather take up for these= people who have run things for the last 8 years and have no health insuran= ce at all rather than to at least have some.=A0 That always amazes me.=A0 T= hey are always like "oh but quality will suffer if we have a national healt= hcare system!".=A0 Well what they don't understand is that countries that have n= ational healthcare also have "for pay" healthcare as well.=A0 I guess the "= for pay" is for those types that can afford the outrageous prices these doc= tors and hospitals charge.=A0 Thats fine, if you don't like the national he= althcare doctors don't go to them!!=A0 Go to the "for pay" since you are so= oo poor yet you have so much money coming from somewhere?!=A0 Me......if I = were in the desititue condition that some people are in i'd rather have "so= me" healthcare than "none".=A0 Some people in this country wouldn't bitch a= bout national healthcare, they'd welcome it because they have none and can'= t afford it.=A0 The republicans though, they don't think like that.=A0 They= think healthcare is for the rich only and they'd just as soon see people d= ie if they can't afford it.=A0 How selfish!=A0 Some people are so awfully u= seless. =A0 --- On Fri, 8/8/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stere= o To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 8:12 AM > Scott had been making political pot-shots well before the current > melee- It was inevitable that the melee would happen. :( Coupled with > his "every engineer is wrong and I am right", I've lost alot of > respect for the man. When I got the uninvited political messages off list and heard it=20 here I couldn't take it anymore. I can't wait for November. I swear to God I hope all the righties are=20 put in some corner to stand like the little petulant kid. They have=20 destroyed everything they touched. Conservatives can't see that helping others and not exploiting people=20 will help the whole world but instead they seem to have the attitude,=20 "I got mine and you aren't getting in on even being able to work to=20 get some for yourself too." It seems that if you begin to make enough=20 money to have a good life they pull the rug out from under you and=20 send your job to some third world nation. Its so bad that the nation, towns and cities don't have enough people=20 working to support the tax base to provide basic services. Kids are=20 not getting school books, music and art cut from the curriculum, food=20 assistance cut, the Republicans are even cutting VA and wounded=20 warrior care during a war because of lack of a tax base for all the=20 jobs they sent overseas. For me, the last eight years have been like looking into the gates of=20 hell. It wouldn't take a lot for the Republicans to push us through=20 the portal. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 07:04:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75408 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 14:04:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 14:04:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 14:04:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1005 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 14:04:38 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.153] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:04:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 07:04:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <946356.99976.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=pZs3LaxB6X7W9yeFwP69D9AVhiyw5M4VWhm1bXkZWIk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 8/8/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > writes: > > > > They love our money > Been abroad, lately? That must be why the Bureau de Change > wanted so many of > my greenbacks for a few Euros. I was short on Euros, so I > tipped a valet > with an American five-spot and he looked at me like I spit > in his hand. As in AID. Foreign Aid. SHEEESH! Maybe we should just remove ALL of our Foreign Aid and ALL of our troops from countries, and till we do, forbid anyone in the military and families to spend money in those economies of those countries..... Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 07:08:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2742 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 14:08:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 14:08:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 14:08:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6578 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 14:08:10 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.153] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:08:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 07:08:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <696292.5677.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=VVRTqMm1hnfDEI1_5YNR7mqDZzUc_ZY5ze583kv46H8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I am afraid not. NO tape. NO cart parts. NO machine parts. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 8/8/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone still use carts anymore? I seem to recall they > were 7.5 ips. > That's all WHB used. The problem was the playlist > rotation was so short, carts > had to be retired frequently as the HF end would degrade. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Aug 08 07:13:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70204 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 14:13:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 14:13:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.59) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 14:13:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63482 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 14:13:46 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:13:46 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 14:13:46 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <70709.88270.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <655774.62044.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=rHYI3FNHtXMQR3LFcBtEz6m5LWbXbLmwZ3Wm9Zi6UAqcwEp9wFab X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It has been proven bin laden masterminded it.=A0 For one you folks don't ev= en know the difference in religious issues here.=A0 Saddam was from the ref= ormed sect of Islam, not the radical fundamentalist version that bin laden = prescribes to.=A0 They believe totally different.=A0 They wouldn't even agr= ee on religious issues.=A0 The difference is like trying to get a Baptist a= nd a Catholic to agree.=A0 This is where the administration and large numbe= rs of americans get things totally wrong.=A0 They DO NOT understand that re= ligion or its forms.=A0 I've studied it at the university.=A0 My professor,= who lived in the middle east and is of the Christian faith will tell you t= he same.=A0 He is originally from over there in the middle east.=A0 His fat= her is still of the Islam faith.=A0 In fact I just did one of my projects o= n that very religion and interviewed him for the class.=A0 The intelligence= on Iraq was made up.=A0 The There were no WMD.=A0 Thats been=A0proven for = some time now.=A0 Have you not=A0read the intelligence report though that=A0bush rec= eived right before 911?=A0 It's been in the news in the past.=A0 They knew = something was going to happen well in advance and chose to do nothing about= it.=A0 Iraq was a diversion.=A0 Afghanistan was were the whole thing came = from.=A0 The sad thing is after we leave Iraq some idiot dictator will come= in there and take back over and all of this and the over 4,000 soldiers wi= ll have died in vain.=A0 The british already tried to turn Iraq into what w= e are trying now.=A0 It didn't work in the 40's and won't now.=A0 Those peo= ple do not understand the concept of freedom nor do they really want it.=A0= If they did they'd raise up arms and fight for their freedom.=A0 Those peo= ple still can't raise up a decent army.=A0 The one thing Saddam did was kee= p the three very different=A0sects in that country together.=A0 We came in = and destablized the whole region.=A0 That is why there is chaos there now.= =A0 My best friend served 3 tours of Iraq, he'll tell you the same thing.=A0 It's a me= ss over there and few americans know the truth about what a quagmire Iraq h= as been. =A0 --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 9:45 AM NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke wrote: \ > Saddam was terrible but he had nothing to do with 9 11.=20 > You are grossly misinformed sir.=20 So you talked to him and he told you so? Powell =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Aug 08 07:14:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 812 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 14:14:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 14:14:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 14:14:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 69529 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 14:14:26 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:14:26 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 14:14:26 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <921692.16399.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <821315.68959.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} encoding rates X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=jkTmbuYqswWZP4asPuLktAlf4OGMIq3SY2XS2PrOcFEhGK0Rh2PK X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agreable there.=A0 It should be uncompressed. =A0 --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: {AMSF} encoding rates To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 9:52 AM In this day of the capability of large drives....terrabyte drives, it's jus= t unthinkable to use any scheme of compression. Pure uncompressed audio is = THE only way to go. Even portable devices are getting where they have enorm= ous storage capabilities. In radio, though, if anyone proposed using Mp3 fo= r music, they need to see the door with a big footprint in their ass.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 8/8/08, clemsonbloke wrote: >=20 > Yeah MP3 is interesting but it all depends on the coding > scheme. Believe it or not theres lots of MP3 options > in Adobe Audition and it has this one coding scheme were it > actually sounds pretty decent at 96kbps.=20 > -Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 07:15:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91192 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 14:15:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 14:15:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 14:15:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8792 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 14:15:19 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.153] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:15:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 07:15:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <829171.54083.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <396161.7734.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: radio today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=kZJkXPhppkP9xPSaYYCI0tujRFt0KNjTAjmWwvkAnrk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Cut snipped and imbedded inline. NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 8/8/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 2:24 AM > You know if anything I think our rants about am stereo > help. At least we speak with a loud voice and promote what > we think is a better medium for AM radio. The one thing > i'd like to see more of on AM is music. It's not likely unfortunately. > Even if a > station were to process and broadcast in mono it can be done > with reasonable fidelity. With the right programming, good > on air personalities, and local news and weather it can > work. It does work, just check out WNMB or WKDK. Both > have online streams you can listen to. I'd prefer AM > music stations to go stereo but if mono and done right then > ok. For one sometimes I just use a portable. We are live mornings and until 12:30. I don't have TIME to be live from 1::35PM until 6. I have other things to do. We only have ONE computer and we do EVERYthing on it. Enco is so efficient that you can do things on it, even some that you shouldn't REALLY do such as rip my CD's of weekend programs on the on air machine, a that's really processor intensive. We do modulate loudly, but don't OVER process the signal. Stereo would be an expense we can't justify. The new $7000 AC took care of that and a few other things we have to postpone for awhile such as a phone hybrid for interviews. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 07:17:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26761 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 14:17:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 14:17:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 14:17:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9978 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 14:17:20 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.153] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:17:20 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 07:17:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <629391.53671.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <418983.9374.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: my AM stereo joke repeated X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Fnxduk0JdA-toJv-y2i1NCGXO0UytyZ0S-cxlOBcfgo X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Why do politicians love AM STEREO? So they can talk out of both sides of their mouth and IF necessary use PLATFORM SHIFT to their advantage.... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 8/8/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > > Ha! What about the platform shift? Would they each > change sides for the others point of view? ! ! LO!L!! > ;o) From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 08:08:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16258 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 15:08:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 15:08:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 15:08:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66679 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 15:08:03 -0000 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 08:08:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:08:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <589372.66134.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re:RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=KmRBc_0mocoEWQQyf4Q_FJzBOYViDYPRyCc2ZO8RAPoiACJJfFgyBhA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Actually, I wish more station managers WERE like Arthur Carlson - which works well as long as Jennifer and Andy are there to make the actual decisions! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 08:12:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73660 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 15:12:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 15:12:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 15:12:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38611 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 15:12:21 -0000 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 08:12:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:12:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <253924.38177.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: How to promote AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=mLcUP1G4luP1o6EC8d8LoMQgWCXcK04Kj0EaPBgWxv2nhQzyplzowYI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Scott does have a valid point - what are we doing to promote AM stereo? I suggest that each of us write a real pen and paper letter (not email) to the HD radio manufacturers, and convince them that adding the code to their DSP chips to include C-Quam is something that they can give to their consumers at very low cost. Maybe we need to dig a layer deeper, and write to the actual chip manufacturers? If the NEW CQuam radios are out there, we might be able to get just a few of the old pilots back on. Regards, John From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 08:19:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17472 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 15:19:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 15:19:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 15:19:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1771 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 15:19:01 -0000 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 08:19:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:19:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <378790.675.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=58E8kbcVu0JpHjyAgftx9DaCPaGNIOzDNGGX5FgxWxHBKNG9-C1xys8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio iBiquity just threw in the "not at the same time" to the FCC in an effort to kill-off their only AM competition. Now does that apply to WLS who runs HD in day, and CQuam at night? From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Aug 08 08:20:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43816 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 15:20:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 15:20:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 15:20:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30007 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 15:20:48 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:20:48 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:20:48 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <418983.9374.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <65724.28591.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} my AM stereo joke repeated X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=4_ctnZFoRjpK-CvM7Uqd634tdlKLGAUeQyk6vne8GLFmf2mjnEWG X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Powell, Yeah I know thats why I used it to ask whether or not those folks w= ould change their minds and do a vice versa!=20 =A0 --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: {AMSF} my AM stereo joke repeated To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 10:17 AM Why do politicians love AM STEREO? So they can talk out of both sides of their mouth and IF necessary use PLAT= FORM SHIFT to their advantage... . Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 8/8/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > > Ha! What about the platform shift? Would they each > change sides for the others point of view? ! ! LO!L!!=20 > ;o) =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Aug 08 08:33:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77396 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 15:33:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 15:33:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s11.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.211) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 15:33:03 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W12 ([64.4.19.112]) by bay0-omc3-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:33:02 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:33:03 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2008 15:33:02.0686 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B9FB7E0:01C8F96C] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Bye X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=_L196dToJXwx8AVbwVtN9bqQWGMzJ5t0Uj5MkwjAKGPku0nfcIre X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to agree. I am very tired of this ongoing discussion with nothing, that I can see, to do with AM Stereo. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: rwagoner@cox.netDate: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 04:56:30 +0000Subject: {AMSF} Bye I'm not really leaving the group, but I just changed the setting sothat I won't get any more emails. Maybe I'll try the group again whenit actually becomes something close to AM stereo again. If I wantedpolitics, I would have joined a political group. Until next time... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 08:35:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53641 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 15:35:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 15:35:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n75.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.51) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 15:35:37 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n75.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 15:35:37 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 15:35:37 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.65] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 15:35:37 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp417.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 15:35:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 385153.23111.bm@omp417.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 77000 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 15:35:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.121.109.73 with plain) by smtp113.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 15:35:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: f9sE_7UVM1nTidoFqOpgHeaZ0lw.eM2bk8625TKCPhNAzoKTt1B0gglaHGB33bPyR4l24jEn0lWEkgQ0Weq5A69QtD.XnXwNYd.1y_KscYY50eM1XTkux1obSnH2BY75Sw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <253924.38177.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <253924.38177.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <62D35DB7-FD04-4E9E-9549-538FA75CF37E@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:35:35 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} How to promote AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=-0Ht4u8o7pFmBYWY9PCSkgt9yJOY2T12QqakRATfCA1RZoZQwA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > C-Quam is something that they can give to their consumers at very > low cost. Maybe we need to dig a layer deeper, and write to the > actual chip manufacturers? The chip manufacturers are already putting in the ability to decode C- QUAM. Motorola's Symphony DSP chip is a case in point. The problem is at the OWNERS end. They COULD buy the transmitters and add a AM Stereo card. Nautel is one that does that. I believe Harris still does it too. The OWNER is the problem if you want AM stereo. They make the decision of whether or not its worth it to send. Already if you have an Accurian HD receiver you can get AM stereo. If you have a Sangean HDR-1 you can get AM stereo, Its just not being sent to your receiver. Gents, I loved AM stereo. Many of you know I have been on the AM stereo lists from inception. AM Stereo for the most part is real dead. IF they would just lower the cost of HD radios to about $50-75 and people would listen, they would get STEREO on the MW band. I hate HD with a passion but all things said, digital stereo on AM beats the shpit out of AM mono analog. The stations just need to boost the power. I know that sucks if you have an analog radio and like to DX but thats about the way it is. I am one who believes if stations think HD is that good, cut your analog off and just run digital so you will not be wrecking adjacent channels. Go max power with the digital and you will be happy with how far the signal goes. I will say it again, I wish HD would not just go away but go to hell, but its not going to happen. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 08:48:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66424 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 15:48:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 15:48:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 15:48:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73173 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 15:48:34 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.11] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 08:48:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:48:34 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <62D35DB7-FD04-4E9E-9549-538FA75CF37E@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <258219.73137.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How to promote AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=GFa7HPh9Cjsu5o1xaCxoQnonHWMYovZBJS-NROQaYps X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Imbedded inline NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 8/8/08, kevin redding wrote: > > C-Quam is something that they can give to their > consumers at very > > low cost. Maybe we need to dig a layer deeper, and > write to the > > actual chip manufacturers? > > The chip manufacturers are already putting in the ability > to decode C- > QUAM. Motorola's Symphony DSP chip is a case in point. Motorola has gotten out of the chip business and did so some time ago. I don't know if this chipset was orphaned or not.. > The problem is > at the OWNERS end. They COULD buy the transmitters and add > a AM > Stereo card. Nautel is one that does that. > I believe Harris still does it too. I seriously doubt it. Except for BE, I think you have to go through hoops. And it's not as simple as just adding a card. Your audio processor has to be replaced. Even if you have an older Optimod 9100 series, you might have to search high and low for a card. If you don't have the transmitter at the studio, you have to have a stereo STL. All that costs multiples of thousands of dollars. > The OWNER is the problem if you want AM stereo. They make > the decision of whether or not its worth it to send. Is it worth the multiples of thousands of dollars spent for a handful of listeners. Powell From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Aug 08 09:02:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68984 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 16:02:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 16:02:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 16:02:37 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c2d.3f2636d4 (29679) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:02:35 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=v2sPlkVpTl3Z3ZkyNJKljU-jxlnCsYwM3AwEMf8de1t-CPhs08jpELjXR3P-oaaC X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/8/08 6:53:06 AM Central Daylight Time, amymousie@yahoo.com writes: > I consider this a fairly ignorant statement, so I'll try to explain. > > ISB=Independent SideBand > I thought you meant the I-something or another system used to transmit HD. You're right. An ISB system could not be transmitted simutaneously with a C-QUAM signal. The two are mathematically (and practically) incompatible. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Aug 08 09:16:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32573 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 16:16:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 16:16:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 16:16:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.cc7.3a730563 (29679) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:16:51 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=EbULvHeqMHB-OYKV9FKAMl9BIWL4tTZjR5iANpoC_Ax3UJRIwXaJTp04tGtewWHC X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I host another forum for parents of children with a particular disorder. It's been around for almost 10 years while similar forums have come and gone. It is amazing how just about anything can turn into a heated controversy. Without moderation, as in restraint on the part of the members, there is often a supernova effect. No, not a '67 Chevy II with a blown 327, but a high intensity of posts just before it goes dark forever. I hope this doesn't happen here. I love AM Stereo and this forum! For the record, I am an unbashed and unapologetic liberal. My father was staunch union man and my mother thought the FDR years was the Second Coming. My first vote was for George McGovern. For this reason, I believe in fairness, with or without the capital "F". With that said, can we talk about George's dream C-Quam tuner? Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Aug 08 09:29:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72913 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 16:29:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 16:29:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 16:29:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.cf2.3b510ad2 (29679) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:29:14 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=kq7C_0DX41St9BLkja6sPsJV2MKpmMbMKakNPCnj3PIQ36qirPowaVLsPCuj1Siq X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/8/08 8:45:42 AM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > So you talked to him and he told you so? > In addition to being able hear Don Rose in beautiful CQUAM AM Stereo on KFRC, when I run out meds near the end of the month, my psychic abilities improve considerably. When I was channelling Saddam some time ago, he did tell me he had nothing to do with 9/11, much as he might have wanted to. Seems Osama and him didn't get along. That Sunni - Shite thing. He told me in retrospect he regretted 9/11 and having host his head over it. Saddam did tell me he was on the brink of making every Iraqi AM station C-Quam when the U.S. started the war. A couple stations had attempted HD, but he had their management executed. Now that's an idea! Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Aug 08 09:30:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31076 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 16:30:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 16:30:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 16:30:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c13.3971b936 (29679) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:30:51 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} encoding rates X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=J7FMFKiJRYTpi0U_GXUD2cqvwoXHlNNAjjohD8wGksO2aDRBPyuYIwZz9293rUoa X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/8/08 8:52:41 AM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > In this day of the capability of large drives....terrabyte drives, it's > just unthinkable to use any scheme of compression. Pure uncompressed audio is > THE only way to go. Even portable devices are getting where they have enormous > storage capabilities. In radio, though, if anyone proposed using Mp3 for > music, they need to see the door with a big footprint in their ass. > > Powell > For once, we agree. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Aug 08 09:53:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 377 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 16:53:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 16:53:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 16:53:48 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c7b.3ad7954f (29679) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:53:41 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} radio today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=UqHv0V3jhDt3SXd3qTpzdbhG7wwGYN7rBICpYgpw6wEAOcWPHD8QaMseO8-Fvdsn X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/8/08 9:15:55 AM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > We are live mornings and until 12:30. I don't have TIME to be live from > 1::35PM until 6. I have other things to do. Maybe you could get Air America off the bird? Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 10:05:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79884 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 17:05:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 17:05:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 17:05:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44969 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 17:05:25 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:05:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 10:05:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <668853.44937.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} radio today X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=OYCPH2LDLiyA2vVW3r8O8qVB18Xcw3qwhQpVc8A4Zcw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 8/8/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > We are live mornings and until 12:30. I don't have > TIME to be live from > > 1::35PM until 6. I have other things to do. > > Maybe you could get Air America off the bird? Jimmy the owner wouldn't allow it. There is NO talk, and if we did we would be bankrupt in a month. Music on AM. AM = Angel Music. Powell From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 14:53:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67028 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 21:53:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 21:53:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 21:53:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30071 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 21:53:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:53:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 14:53:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <699163.45873.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <854837.29429.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=E70u0bZ3AU2N2udPUO_9zVjJEEanRPdiUARRNAX2e2TaXA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yeah, 16-bit (CD, MD, DAT) only gives something like 65,000 possible levels= , but tape, it is pretty much limited by the oxide and the head... darn near infinite, though. I heard a 30 i.p.s. master in a recording hous= e one time, it blew me away it sounded so good! Tape seems to just get more of the tiny details, the nuances, that fall bet= ween bit points on digital. 24-bit is great, but nobody seems to want to m= ake much in consumer or semi-pro for that. I know a lot of people will comment about the tape "hiss", but that can be = greatly reduced with Dolby or the like, and besides, when you listen to a l= ive band, do you do it in a totally silent room? No, people are breathing,= moving, coughing, but you hear PAST the background noise. The brain is pretty good at filtering out that which we don't wish to hear,= and at filling in missing parts...otherwise, NO compression scheme would b= e tolerable! I agree, 256 DOES sound pretty good on an MP3, and real good on ATRAC, too.= (My older MD stuff runs at 292, if you are LOOKING for flaws, they are the= re, but you have to really be picky to hear them...most folks can't tell it= from the CD it came from) George --- On Fri, 8/8/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 12:18 AM > George, > =A0 > Yeah MP3 is interesting but it all depends on the coding > scheme.=A0=A0=A0=A0Believe it or not theres lots of MP3 options > in Adobe=A0Audition and it has this one coding scheme were it > actually sounds pretty decent at 96kbps.=A0 Its a different > scheme under the options.=A0 For most things If I record > something as an MP3 I do a constant bit rate at 256kbps.=A0 > Thats still nothing compared to a CD at over 1400kbps.=A0=A0If > not critical listening then an MP3 playlist playing with > 256kbps files are decent for background music at a party or > cookout.=A0 It'll do.=A0 Reel to Reel just has a differnet > sound altogether, that sweet analogue sound.=A0 To me and my > ears it always sounds better but then again I=A0grew up > listening to it. > =A0 > -Kevin > =A0 >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, george russell > wrote: >=20 > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:14 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Good comparison! I think of 30 i.p.s. tape as an infinitely > high bit rate, 15 as good as fast 24-bit, 7.5 about =3D to > ATRAC 4.5...and most MP3 as, oh, about 1 7/8! Yeah, MP3 CAN > sound good, but not when folks get stingy with the bit-rate. > My friend in Flint runs all the stuff in his car stereo at > 128 k, and the treble just plain sounds squashed and ripped. > Today, memory is so cheap, you'd think people would run > at, say 256 or higher, but I guess it is considered > "cool" to walk around with 10,000 songs on an > iPod. The only reason I bought a HiMD recorder was because > it offers the option of NO compression, 16 bit@44.1 kHz PCM. > Now if Sony would wake up and apply that cool > magneto-optical technology to a bit larger disc, like the > size of a floppy maybe, and run it at 24-bit/96 kHz., > I'd skip dinner for a year to buy one, hah-hah! Until > then, ye olde rusty-but-trusty Tascam reel>reel STAYS in > the rack! > George=20 >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke yahoo.co. uk> wrote: >=20 > > From: clemsonbloke > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 3:57 PM > > I love the "anti-fidelity"=A0 part!=A0 Very > true > > today with this MP3 stuff and all.=A0 It's got a > lil > > better on that front but MP3 is still MP3.=A0 Maybe we > should > > relate it to tape speeds.=A0 3 3/4 ips. versus the > fidelity > > of 7 1/2 ips.=A0 Ha!=A0 Love those reel to reels!=A0 ATR > > Magnetics is supposed to start manufacturing 1/4" > open > > reel tape this year where Ampex/Quantegy left off.=A0 > Hmm > > what happend to WORD 1330, its off and buzzing?=A0 > Gotta go > > turn it off.=A0=A0 Yeah I still listen to it eventhough > they > > are republican only !=A0 Hey I need to hear what they > are > > saying!=A0 Yall be good. > > =A0 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, george russell > > wrote: > >=20 > > From: george russell > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:57 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > I kinda see your point, Don, but how much of it is > really > > free, anyway? > > Last time I checked, air-time is NOT cheap! That > aside, it > > is only natural human nature for a station to allow > more > > time from those they agree with. Maybe the answer is > to go > > back to the ownership limitations? > > Bye-Bye, Cheap Channel!!! (and along with it, the > > anti-C-QUAM and anti-high-fidelity attitudes they so > > cherish!) > > George > >=20 > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, W6YN Don Milbury > > > wrote: > >=20 > > > From: W6YN Don Milbury > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:10 PM > > > What started all of the hashing was someone > decided it > > was a > > > good idea to regulate free speech. Free speech is > not > > > allowing the federal government manage political > > speech on > > > the public airwaves. > > > Rather than having the government regulate what > people > > can > > > say, we should let the market decide what people > want > > to > > > hear. That=A2s precisely why the Fairness Doctrine > was > > > abandoned, and that=A2s why it ought not to be > revived. > > >=20 > > > Don > > >=20 > > > -- clemsonbloke uk> > > wrote: > > > Alright we've hashed this crap forever and > > honestly > > > i'm ready for more radio talk, this is radio > > isn't > > > it? We also are straying from the topic of this > forum > > way > > > too much so I want to bring it back in line. > I'd > > like > > > someone to adress a recent product. I'd like > to > > hear > > > from one of our resident experts on this matter. > > We've > > > all discussed the Sangean HD radio component > tuner in > > the > > > past and other models. We all know that the > Sangean > > and > > > that small radio shack radio also decode CQUAM. > Sony > > has > > > recently come out with a component HD radio > tuner. It > > is > > > the XDR-F1HD and it is an attractive and > affordable > > > component tuner. Does anyone know if this unit > decodes > > > CQUAM as well? That is what i'd like to know. > Here > > is > > > a link to the sony page with this product: > > >=20 > > > http://www.sonystyl e.com/webapp/ wcs/stores/ > > servlet/ProductD isplay?catalogId =3D10551&storeId=3D > > 10151&langId=3D -1&productId=3D 8198552921665401 > 984 > > >=20 > > > Does anyone have any information on this product > as > > far as > > > CQUAM is concerned? I know most of the HD units > that > > do in > > > fact decode CQUAM do not advertise that fact. > Maybe > > Kevin > > > would know about this? Well what do you folks > think > > about > > > this unit? I rather like its looks. > > >=20 > > > -Kevin (ClemsonBloke) > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > >=20 > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! > Groups > > Links > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 15:00:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93774 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 22:00:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 22:00:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 22:00:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 77138 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 22:00:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:00:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:00:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <557802.76350.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=euHrrq8yCasUyMED1VGJxFKB3XZ4FzNBn08NnCx4EU6J8g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 'Cause our wonderful FCC doesn't know the difference! If they had, we would all be building or buying little PMX transmitters, hah-hah! G --- On Fri, 8/8/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} November is coming and it won't be C-QUAM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 1:55 AM > Gosh, when I logged in and saw all the posts on this thread, > I thought the > NAB put a proposal in the FCC docket to outlaw analog AM in > November. > > How come the controversy over tangential vs. linear phase > modulation of the > AMS signal never got this kind of attention? > > Mike > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 15:05:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5821 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 22:05:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 22:05:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 22:04:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9275 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 22:04:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:04:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:04:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <313376.9015.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=gk_WcBE31xUE2DWfA_79YJ7Xu286L0u6L2HMRxbGhlsPCg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 The cart's closest kin was the Muntz 4-track, pretty much just a cart stuffed with a lot more tape. Yup, mot ran at 7.5, 8-tracks at 3.75. Oddly, cassette (except L-cassette, remember those?) runs at only 1.875, so theoretically, all other variables being equal, 8-track COULD sound better than cassette, but wasn't around long enough to enjoy the improvements and research that went into casettes...kinda like C-QUAM got all the R&R, so everybody thought PMX was no good, he-he! G --- On Fri, 8/8/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 2:23 AM > Does anyone still use carts anymore? I seem to recall they > were 7.5 ips. > That's all WHB used. The problem was the playlist > rotation was so short, carts > had to be retired frequently as the HF end would degrade. > > I believe the 8-track tapes were 3.75 ips. That, coupled > with the narrow > tracks and flimsy tape transport, made for fidelity that AM > could beat. I have a > KXOK aircheck which includes a spot for Lear 8-track for > "only those who > demanded the very best". Right..... > > Mike > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 15:46:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8316 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 22:46:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 22:46:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 22:46:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58859 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 22:46:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:46:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:46:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <829171.54083.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <631854.55341.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=w6igc8U_mzttDn7C1X_hDczhWwR-zaPE0xW1tT7rTvRWCA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 NTSC=3DNeat Technology Superior Color ATSC=3DAnother Tragic System Cluster#@$# When they wrote the ATSC color standards into stone, they had an opportunit= y to undo all the sad dumbing down that the original and near-perfect NTSC = system has gone through...but chose not to. Yeah, HD has a lot more definition, but 1954 NTSC could deliver colors that= they still haven't found a print or film process to rival today! (I won't bore those who don't think a radio should include a CRT with the d= etails...if you are interested, look up the ORIGINAL NTSC standards, or ema= il me) Sounds all too familiar, doesn't it? Magnavox had an FM system that could = deliver flat 20-20k audio with full separation, without the fringe fade-to-= mono problem, but we got stuck with the current (Zenith/GE) system because = it allows room for elevator music channels (SCA)! See what happens when politicians make choices that should be left to engin= eers? George --- On Fri, 8/8/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM= stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 2:24 AM > You know if anything I think our rants about am stereo > help.=A0 At least we speak with a loud voice and promote what > we think is a better medium for AM radio.=A0 The one thing > i'd like to see more of on AM is music.=A0 Even if a > station were to process and broadcast in mono it can be done > with reasonable fidelity.=A0 With the right programming, good > on air personalities, and local news and weather it can > work.=A0 It does work, just check out WNMB or WKDK.=A0 Both > have online streams you can listen to.=A0 I'd prefer AM > music stations to go stereo but if mono and done right then > ok.=A0 For one sometimes I just use a portable.=A0 I'm a > radio nut and have been since I was a kid lying in the bed > at night tuning in distant stations on my pocket > transistor.=A0 I had one of those little red ones that was AM > only so no FM antenna.=A0 Everything was just concealed and > nice and handy.=A0 I think I also had a blue one once.=A0 > I'd like to find me a classic one on ebay like > that!=A0 At any rate what im saying is that on those you > can't tell if its stereo or mono but you can tell a few > other things.=A0 You can even tell when theres good > processing on a small radio because things are clear and > clean.=A0 You can also tell good programming and talent.=A0 It > comes down to this.=A0 We all know and would admit FM Stereo > kicks even AM Stereo's butt frequency response wise but > we love the medium.=A0 I'd much rather have an AM Stereo > station with good programming, processing, talent, and local > news and weather any day over the glam big FM's of > today.=A0 Heck i'd take an AM mono over the others for > programming and talent.=A0 I still say that AM reproduces the > human voice closer to the norm than FM.=A0 To me FM sounds > too fake and crispy.=A0 I'm gonna be hoest with the list > and say that I absolutely cannot stand the talk format on > FM.=A0 To my ears talk sounds best on AM.=A0 It's smoother > to me.=A0 I haven't bought into HD yet and won't for > some > time.=A0 Number one i'm waiting to see what this all > becomes.=A0 Number two I'm waiting to see what AM does > with it, if anything.=A0 Number three i'm waiting till > they perfect the receivers more with better circuitry and > software.=A0 I'm not the biggest proponent of all this > digital craze thats going on but I realize that it is where > things are going.=A0 I think it will get better but I > don't know what they are going to do to correct the > problems with AM.=A0 A lot of people have been fooled by the > TV digital conversion.=A0 That only affects people on > antenna.=A0 If you are on cable or satellite you'll still > receive the NTSC signal.=A0 Now yes if you get TV through > antenna you'll need a new tv or one of the converter > boxes.=A0 The thing though is that almost everyone these days > are on cable or satellite.=A0 At least everyone I know is.=A0 > TV though is a different story.=A0 I am for TV being high > definition and wide screen since movies are shot in > widescreen.=A0 Radio > is different and I don't feel that the need is that > dire for it.=A0 I suppose the main gain by having HD radio is > having more programming with those extra sub channels.=A0 > We'll just have to wait and see where all this goes! > =A0 > -Kevin >=20 > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, jotape1960 > wrote: >=20 > From: jotape1960 > Subject: {AMSF} Re: RANT- How the attitudes on this list > will kill AM stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 1:49 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, ...> wrote: > > > > This is directed at the political lefties here. > I'm ticked and=20 > I'm ready to ditch this list. I've tried to be > civil but I'm at a=20 > point where I'm going to unload and I don't care > who gets hurt. You=20 > finger-pointing socialists and your hatred of the rich are > going to=20 > be the death of not only our economy, but the very thing > we're on=20 > this list to preserve- AM stereo. Has it never occurred to > any of=20 > you that we've done absolutely NOTHING of any effect to > save it?=20 > The only way it'll happen is if one or more of us get > rich enough to=20 > buy our own stations! > >=20 > > But no, you clowns that insist on being good little > socialists=20 > because it's "fair", not realizing many > problems often are actually=20 > the cost of excess government regulation pricing goods and > services=20 > out of the market rather than "oppression" by > "the rich." Not that=20 > there haven't been abuses, I'll fully acknowlege > that- Enron,=20 > Worldcom, etc. Bad business practices will likely be with > us to the=20 > end of time but the alternative is good business practices, > not=20 > socialism. I'm not sure how or even if good business > practices can=20 > be legislated. Not sure who said it but there's a > saying that goes=20 > roughly "If we don't let ourselves be governed by > a few big rules [a=20 > reference to the ten commandments, I believe] we'll be > governed by a=20 > lot of little ones." Given our myriad of liliputian > laws we're well=20 > into the latter part of the spectrum. > >=20 > > I don't like hearing of an executive getting a > huge severance just=20 > before bailing out of a failing company anymore than you > do. But I=20 > have read a book on the difference between effective and > failing=20 > companies and it's called The Oz Principle. One thing > failing=20 > companies do is the same thing I've witnessed here and > that's a lot=20 > of finger pointing. > >=20 > > God help me to get rich so I can buy some AM stations > and put AM=20 > stereo on them. Get your lazy buns out of my way and let me > do what=20 > needs to get done. You're complaining is > counterproductive. If=20 > that offends you, tough cookies! I'll gladly be part of > the hated=20 > rich, though if you insist on voting for the socialist > Obama I'm=20 > sure my currently slim chances will be reduced to none. > BTW, I'll=20 > do everything I can to pay my employees fairly, but given > that radio=20 > is one of the most heavily regulated industries and the > mulitplicity=20 > of medial alternatives that didn't exist even a decade > ago it's VERY=20 > hard to make a profit. It's NOT necessarily greed that > has caused=20 > radio's woes. Executives aren't all overpaid > versions of Arthur=20 > Carlson. [That's a WKRP TV series reference for those > too young to=20 > know.] > >=20 > > Scott Todd > >=20 >=20 > Take it easy, Scott!!! >=20 > I'm not socialist, or comunist, or "lefties". > I don't trust in the=20 > political world. I want a better world, a better place for > the AM=20 > world, but I know it is impossible if the radio station > owners don't=20 > change their kind of mind. And, I don't think the fact > to say it=20 > means to be a socialist. >=20 > I'm not a USA citizen (I live in Chile, miles away from > you), so I=20 > don't want to care about Obama or McCain. But, > unfortunately, Chile=20 > and USA are economical and political partners, so... less > or more=20 > your decisions influence our lives. Chile follows the > stupid FCC=20 > decisions, too!!! So, wanted or not, we live in a global > world, a=20 > global town, a global very little town. If USA sneezes, > Chile has a=20 > cold. >=20 > I just wonder if USA has learnt from the past mistakes. > Chile=20 > doesn't. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 15:49:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37257 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 22:49:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 22:49:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 22:49:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 40596 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 22:49:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:49:31 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:49:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <561764.38936.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=DC5V92vER1ILBLkbZaHWydu7Wh9s_YCePjWBHv38y6w_oQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 AHA! Thanks for the ideas, Mike! SQUEEGEE! BLOODBANK! YES, I CAN afford to fill my gas tank now! Oh wait, who's gonna buy blood tainted with moonshine? Damn! G --- On Fri, 8/8/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 2:07 AM > In a message dated 8/7/08 12:58:24 PM Central Daylight Time, > > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Last time I checked, air-time is NOT cheap! > > Come to St. Louis. We're the Walmart of airtime. The > morning and evening > drive guy (same one) on one station squeegies windshields > during the day when he > is not selling blood at the blood bank. > > Mike > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 15:51:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27229 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 22:51:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 22:51:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 22:51:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13669 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 22:51:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:51:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:51:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <641790.11625.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=reRoyC7f71OfwyJzED2mHsyE4Ye5CSILQUJXqF_GxYmcuw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 If you mean the ISB as in Kahn, it might be generated digitally, but I think it is very much analog when it leaves the finals...or did I miss something? G --- On Fri, 8/8/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB and C-QUAM at the same time > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 2:29 AM > I am confused. The ISB signal is digital. The raw signal, > no matter where > it is put, would be just chirps, if they were audible at > all. > > I believe the ISB signal is so far down, it would not > effect the CQUAM > signal, at least at the transmitter end, if the CQUAM > system had enough bandwidth. > The CQUAM exciters I am aware of have brickwall low pass > filters which would > not pass the ISB signal. > > Mike > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 15:53:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22528 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 22:53:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 22:53:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 22:53:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46799 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 22:53:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:53:00 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:53:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <482169.49103.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <517319.45324.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=MIDjOOkhpVUFLyEVFj8QULSz7QusrFzFkFTGB_v4bXFj6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Say that with PRIDE, Kevin! G --- On Fri, 8/8/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 2:29 AM > Mike, > =A0 > Oh I agree 110% with you here.=A0=A0I am a CD man myself.=A0 I > also have tapes and records.=A0 The main brunt of my > collection though is CD.=A0 I have maybe 5,000-7,000 > MP3's on the computer but those are for making mix > CD's for fun.=A0 I play around with all formats including > MD, DAT, and reel to reel as well.=A0 I'm one of the > nerds on the list that has all the formats.=A0 I feel though > that we said nerds are a good resource though!=A0 We can > review equipment or formats for others to read about on > here.=A0 Believe me a lot of us men on here, and girls too!, > are just a bunch of nerds! > =A0 > -Kevin > =A0 >=20 >=20 > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, mjgrant@aol.com > wrote: >=20 > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New Small Town Radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 2:13 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > In a message dated 8/7/08 2:58:18 PM Central Daylight Time, >=20 > clemsonbloke@ yahoo.co. uk writes: >=20 > > Very true today with this MP3 stuff and all. It's > got a lil better on that=20 > > front but MP3 is still MP3.=20 >=20 > The problem with MP3 is the more you listen to it, the more > "normal" it=20 > sounds until you don't remember what real high fidelity > is. Just listen to an=20 > analog CD vs. MP3 of the same recording if you need a > reminder. >=20 > Mike >=20 > ************ ** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your=20 > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. >=20 > (http://autos. aol.com/cars- BMW-128-2008/ expert-review? > ncid=3Daolaut00050 000000017 ) >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 16:07:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69630 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 23:07:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 23:07:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 23:07:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 86055 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 23:07:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:07:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:07:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <921692.16399.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <637301.85742.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} encoding rates X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=tLCPXaNfIAee2bqUk_yOgUFj6yHRDF4Qd4m1PtgRH69zFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Powell, NOW you and I agree on something totally! Our local FM oldies mill runs everything on 128 kB/sec MP3, and it sounds like crap! Artifacts are exaggerated horribly by the Optimod, too, but I guess the attitude is "Hey, it's only radio, who's gonna hear the difference?" I would cheerfully provide the afore-mentioned foot print to the afore-mentioned part of their anatomy! G --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: {AMSF} encoding rates > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 9:52 AM > In this day of the capability of large drives....terrabyte > drives, it's just unthinkable to use any scheme of > compression. Pure uncompressed audio is THE only way to go. > Even portable devices are getting where they have enormous > storage capabilities. In radio, though, if anyone proposed > using Mp3 for music, they need to see the door with a big > footprint in their ass. > > > Powell > > > > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, clemsonbloke > wrote: > > > > > Yeah MP3 is interesting but it all depends on the > coding > > scheme. Believe it or not theres lots of MP3 > options > > in Adobe Audition and it has this one coding scheme > were it > > actually sounds pretty decent at 96kbps. > > > -Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 16:11:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59658 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 23:11:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 23:11:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 23:11:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36331 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 23:11:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:11:53 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:11:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <305944.6195.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <818321.35811.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=mFBb1xufGiM3P_mWofZYbVnAc0N1vfhKL_9OZXqehZkgKw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 AAAAAAAAAMEN!!! --- On Fri, 8/8/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM ste= reo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 9:59 AM > Thats the damn truth!=A0 They call it class envy when we > point out how the monetary distribution in this country > flows.=A0 Greedy bastards is what they are.=A0 Why some of > these poor people blindly follow and take up for these > worthless idiots is beyond me.=A0 Course all the networks > were talking about voters one night.=A0 You know what they > said?=A0 They said democrats tend to be better educated than > republican voters.=A0 I guess those repubs don't need > education because they have the trust fund and inheritance > from daddy.=A0 One thing I've noticed with those types is > they will argue things that they have no clue about.=A0 > It's always funny to me when uneducated people seem to > think they know more than the educated ones.=A0 They try so > hard with their BS and are convinced they are right and that > an educated person is wrong.=A0 Oh yeah I've heard them > use the "educated idiot" thing before and it's > hilarious.=A0 Course those types always want to talk about > respect > too, something they do not have and know nothing about.=A0 > If they did they wouldn't be arguing with far better > educated people than themselves on subjects they are devoid > of thought on.=A0 I usually just let them spill their > "know it all" attitude and let them believe they > are right instead of teaching them where they are wrong.=A0 > It doesn't pay to try to teach those types.=A0 > Remember?=A0 They didn't want to attend school in the > first place hence not going on to school.=A0 They don't > want to learn anything or where they are wrong.=A0 In their > minds they are always right.=A0 It really is a waste of yours > and my time talking to people like that and trying to get > them to see the light.=A0 They never will.=A0 They'd > rather take up for these people who have run things for the > last 8 years and have no health insurance at all rather than > to at least have some.=A0 That always amazes me.=A0 They are > always like "oh but quality will suffer if we have a > national healthcare > system!".=A0 Well what they don't understand is > that countries that have national healthcare also have > "for pay" healthcare as well.=A0 I guess the > "for pay" is for those types that can afford the > outrageous prices these doctors and hospitals charge.=A0 > Thats fine, if you don't like the national healthcare > doctors don't go to them!!=A0 Go to the "for > pay" since you are sooo poor yet you have so much money > coming from somewhere?!=A0 Me......if I were in the desititue > condition that some people are in i'd rather have > "some" healthcare than "none".=A0 Some > people in this country wouldn't bitch about national > healthcare, they'd welcome it because they have none and > can't afford it.=A0 The republicans though, they > don't think like that.=A0 They think healthcare is for > the rich only and they'd just as soon see people die if > they can't afford it.=A0 How selfish!=A0 Some people are > so awfully useless. > =A0 >=20 >=20 > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, kevin redding > wrote: >=20 > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list > will kill AM stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 8:12 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Scott had been making political pot-shots well before > the current > > melee- It was inevitable that the melee would happen. > :( Coupled with > > his "every engineer is wrong and I am > right", I've lost alot of > > respect for the man. >=20 > When I got the uninvited political messages off list and > heard it=20 > here I couldn't take it anymore. >=20 > I can't wait for November. I swear to God I hope all > the righties are=20 > put in some corner to stand like the little petulant kid. > They have=20 > destroyed everything they touched. >=20 > Conservatives can't see that helping others and not > exploiting people=20 > will help the whole world but instead they seem to have the > attitude,=20 > "I got mine and you aren't getting in on even > being able to work to=20 > get some for yourself too." It seems that if you begin > to make enough=20 > money to have a good life they pull the rug out from under > you and=20 > send your job to some third world nation. >=20 > Its so bad that the nation, towns and cities don't have > enough people=20 > working to support the tax base to provide basic services. > Kids are=20 > not getting school books, music and art cut from the > curriculum, food=20 > assistance cut, the Republicans are even cutting VA and > wounded=20 > warrior care during a war because of lack of a tax base for > all the=20 > jobs they sent overseas. >=20 > For me, the last eight years have been like looking into > the gates of=20 > hell. It wouldn't take a lot for the Republicans to > push us through=20 > the portal. >=20 > Kevin >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 16:13:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73492 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 23:13:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 23:13:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.128) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 23:13:12 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 23:13:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 23:13:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 23:13:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 23:13:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <62D35DB7-FD04-4E9E-9549-538FA75CF37E@yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.202.96.27 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How to promote AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=YZ-c5IDQTgKPXiwt8YF6bmWIm9UnM4OStfYfSxlKgOc X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 There are several ways to let a system die. One of them is to=20 consider it dead even before the last switch of it is turned off. I=20 have seen technologies that have been considered "dead" from the very=20 first moment of the introduction of a new technology that, as always,=20 all thought it will solve all the "analog" problems or misadvantages=20 the older system had.=20 I was working for YAESU Greece almost before 2 decades. The=20 introduction of GSM cell phones thought to be (and it was)=20 the "killer" of the professional transceivers market. And that was=20 quite true for at least 6 years... Then the Athens earthquake came at=20 1999, to leave 5 million peoples and all GSM based communications=20 (that included many goverment facilities) without communications for=20 more than 3-5 hours, and those was the first aftershock critical=20 hours.=20 The older "analog" VHF/UHF systems came back to order, and while they=20 have been basically left without any serious maintanance for some=20 time, have prooved their simple efficiency once more.=20 After that, most owners of licensed VHF/UHF networks, reinstall them=20 and keep them working even today. The market of them has ALMOST=20 gained again the sales numbers that it had before the introduction of=20 GSMs. Even the newer digital trunking systems (as is the TETRA) hasn't been=20 so efficient, as are the simple analog PRS systems. The TETRA has=20 many many benefits, but at least here at Greece, is not considered to=20 be the replacement of all analog transceivers on market...=20 Now, what a station can do to promote (?) Analog CQUAM instead of=20 giving up and turn to IBOC, or whatever other digi system?=20 Well, probably the big ones will not care, and will pay the cost to=20 turn A to D.=20 The smaller ones are the pancake however. These are the ones that=20 either way will face the real problem. If they don't do anything,=20 sooner or later will be "faced" out by the uprising use of digi from=20 the big ones. If there is no reaction from the smaller ones, the digi=20 will be left alone to "concrete" the airband without any real=20 resistance (300-800 people of a "tech-nuts" forum will not be even=20 consider as a serious opposition, see about that at a pdf I have=20 upload lately, how the FCC characterized individuals that said their=20=20 arguments at the hearing for the first approvement of testing thru=20 air the IBOC at 2001). Individuals opposing thru a forum, or at a=20 hearing, going there as quantities of one, will "be considered as=20 sympathetic to their view" and that will be it. Nobody will take them=20 in account, for any serious decision.=20=20 But the smaller broadcasters have another way to go. If they have to=20 pay for buying new digi capable equipments (and then also have to pay=20 royalties for the system every year, to keep them updated and=20 running), they must do the maths from scratch. Say that to a small=20 local station the total cost to turn digi will be around 30 to 60K!=20 If I was one of them I would turn that amount to a basic (even second=20 hand) installation of AMS needed equipments for studio, transmitter=20 (say ~10 to 12K ? to do that). Then with the rest 15-18K I will=20 directly order 3 kinds of ONLY AM STEREO radios (some home radios,=20 many small pocket size, and as much I can afford at car radios with=20 also just a CD at it), to some chinese (yes chinese, as that will be=20 the only cheap way to do it) radio manufacturer... ! Giving them 15K=20 and they will include CQUAM decoding at any of their current model=20 you want! And you can also put your station frequency at the No1=20 factory preset! and even name them (or just name the model of them,=20 not the brand name of it) as your station ID is, if you ask them to=20 do it!=20 Prefer to give those radios as "station free promo gifts" everywhere=20 on your local coverage (spot should be something like "you are=20 residents of our town, and you haven't got our town station radios=20 yet? Ask for it now! It's stereo and it's free!) or even at a=20 symbolic cost that will just give you back an amount of=20 this "promotional expense"! Give them everyday without making=20 contests or other such "prized" events. Just say loud and clear to=20 everyone, something like "it's time to get your LOCAL STEREO AM=20 radios" Turn your local people to a happy listener of yours. These will cost at a total almost the same (maybe less is the true)=20 as trying to compete big guys by changing all of your equipments to=20 digi, without even knowing if your current listeners have the ability=20 to hear, or understand any change from your station, until THEY PAY=20 to get you on digi! (and even then I'm not sure they will really=20 understand why they had to pay to listen you as always).=20 If the above move is done from 50 or 100 small local stations the=20 analog AMS system will never die! But it should be done soon! Clock=20 is ticking, and every tick of it, is less life, not to the Analog AMS=20 as you say, but to the small local stations that could not follow the=20 digi conversion, even if they have the hardcash neede to just convert=20 the equipments of them... Sooner or later digi will be turned to be=20 a "pay per listen", and that's IMHO the hidden and only true reason=20 that big ones and some others, forcing it at whatever cost... Neither=20 quality issues (yeahh, that was the word used at first digi sound=20 formats, and we have MP3s now, that they have FULFILL their=20 quality?).=20 Sorry for this Iliad sized reply...=20 Just couldn't understand how anyone can say "this is dead" when there=20 is still a breath (even a weak one) coming from it...=20=20 PS: Oz has some guys that they have small stations and they try to=20 convert them at AM stereo as we talk! Doesn't matter if they are=20 small and not located at Sidney or other big cities... They are going=20 to be on air as stereo, as long as there is at least one analog AMS=20 receiver in their area... That's what I have been told in PM! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > > > C-Quam is something that they can give to their consumers at=20 very=20=20 > > low cost. Maybe we need to dig a layer deeper, and write to the=20=20 > > actual chip manufacturers? >=20 > The chip manufacturers are already putting in the ability to decode=20 C-=20 > QUAM. Motorola's Symphony DSP chip is a case in point. The problem=20 is=20=20 > at the OWNERS end. They COULD buy the transmitters and add a AM=20=20 > Stereo card. Nautel is one that does that. I believe Harris still=20=20 > does it too. >=20 > The OWNER is the problem if you want AM stereo. They make the=20=20 > decision of whether or not its worth it to send. >=20 > Already if you have an Accurian HD receiver you can get AM stereo.=20 If=20=20 > you have a Sangean HDR-1 you can get AM stereo, Its just not being=20=20 > sent to your receiver. >=20 > Gents, I loved AM stereo. Many of you know I have been on the AM=20=20 > stereo lists from inception. AM Stereo for the most part is real=20 dead. >=20 > IF they would just lower the cost of HD radios to about $50-75=20=20 and=20=20 > people would listen, they would get STEREO on the MW band. >=20 > I hate HD with a passion but all things said, digital stereo on AM=20=20 > beats the shpit out of AM mono analog. The stations just need to=20=20 > boost the power. I know that sucks if you have an analog radio and=20=20 > like to DX but thats about the way it is. >=20 > I am one who believes if stations think HD is that good, cut your=20=20 > analog off and just run digital so you will not be wrecking=20 adjacent=20=20 > channels. Go max power with the digital and you will be happy with=20=20 > how far the signal goes. >=20 > I will say it again, I wish HD would not just go away but go to=20 hell,=20=20 > but its not going to happen. >=20 > Kevin > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 16:14:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67029 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 23:14:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 23:14:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 23:14:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38203 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2008 23:14:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.14.42.67] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:14:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:14:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <655774.62044.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <941488.37580.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=tKHlQ-jMMepIPoX5va62AUneUgRtWSkoxRg8gVyk5659Hg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 One difference...a Baptist and a Catholic won't usually kill each other to = settle the argument! G --- On Fri, 8/8/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 10:13 AM > It has been proven bin laden masterminded it.=A0 For one you > folks don't even know the difference in religious issues > here.=A0 Saddam was from the reformed sect of Islam, not the > radical fundamentalist version that bin laden prescribes > to.=A0 They believe totally different.=A0 They wouldn't > even agree on religious issues.=A0 The difference is like > trying to get a Baptist and a Catholic to agree.=A0 This is > where the administration and large numbers of americans get > things totally wrong.=A0 They DO NOT understand that religion > or its forms.=A0 I've studied it at the university.=A0 My > professor, who lived in the middle east and is of the > Christian faith will tell you the same.=A0 He is originally > from over there in the middle east.=A0 His father is still of > the Islam faith.=A0 In fact I just did one of my projects on > that very religion and interviewed him for the class.=A0 The > intelligence on Iraq was made up.=A0 The There were no WMD.=A0 > Thats been=A0proven for some time > now.=A0 Have you not=A0read the intelligence report though > that=A0bush received right before 911?=A0 It's been in the > news in the past.=A0 They knew something was going to happen > well in advance and chose to do nothing about it.=A0 Iraq was > a diversion.=A0 Afghanistan was were the whole thing came > from.=A0 The sad thing is after we leave Iraq some idiot > dictator will come in there and take back over and all of > this and the over 4,000 soldiers will have died in vain.=A0 > The british already tried to turn Iraq into what we are > trying now.=A0 It didn't work in the 40's and > won't now.=A0 Those people do not understand the concept > of freedom nor do they really want it.=A0 If they did > they'd raise up arms and fight for their freedom.=A0 > Those people still can't raise up a decent army.=A0 The > one thing Saddam did was keep the three very > different=A0sects in that country together.=A0 We came in and > destablized the whole region.=A0 That is why there is chaos > there now.=A0 My best > friend served 3 tours of Iraq, he'll tell you the same > thing.=A0 It's a mess over there and few americans know > the truth about what a quagmire Iraq has been. > =A0 >=20 >=20 > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Powell E. Way III > wrote: >=20 > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} small town radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 9:45 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, clemsonbloke yahoo.co. uk> wrote: > \ > > Saddam was terrible but he had nothing to do with 9 > 11.=20 > > You are grossly misinformed sir.=20 >=20 > So you talked to him and he told you so? >=20 > Powell >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 16:29:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61240 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 23:29:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 23:29:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.122) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 23:29:31 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 23:29:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 23:29:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 23:29:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 23:29:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.122 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.17.239 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=ONKRaE0J2J1Sd1npXo80Ofd792Wct5MtQy7yQm9dRR0rHiC3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 8/8/08 6:53:06 AM Central Daylight Time,=20 > amymousie@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > I consider this a fairly ignorant statement, so I'll try to explain. > >=20 > > ISB=3DIndependent SideBand > >=20 >=20 > I thought you meant the I-something or another system used to transmit HD.=20=20 > You're right. An ISB system could not be transmitted simutaneously with a=20 > C-QUAM signal. The two are mathematically (and practically) incompatible. Yeah, "HD Radio" is IBOC, not ISB. (Even IBOC- "In-Band, On Channel"- is misleading, because the main digital carriers ar not on channel, and should be more correctly called IBAC-- Adjascent Channel".) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 16:54:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53658 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 23:54:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2008 23:54:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.140) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2008 23:54:42 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 23:54:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 23:54:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2008 23:54:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 23:54:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <631854.55341.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.17.239 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=lN_VMKF2OH2XmReCcxKtg0qUDx629VAsHQiXNUp1HsTa4qDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Sounds all too familiar, doesn't it? Magnavox had an FM system that could deliver flat 20-20k audio with full separation, without the fringe fade-to-mono problem, but we got stuck with the current (Zenith/GE) system because it allows room for elevator music channels (SCA)! Actually, it was RCA/Crosby who had the FM-FM system-- Superior, yes, but was a spectrum hog. SCA was very important at the time as an income resource, and the Crosby system just didn't support the needed bandwidth to fit in a single SCA channel. (This was before a second SCA channel was added, at 92kHz. Originally, it was 41 & 62kHz over baseband (mono) FM. The Zenith system allowed for one channel at 67kHz. And yes, that was EXACTLY why the Zenith/GE FA-AM system was chosen.) (I really wish I had more detailed info on the Crosby FM- This actually was the more popular of the various stereo FM systems tested in the 1950s.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 20:49:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49502 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2008 03:49:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2008 03:49:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.214) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 03:49:46 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2008 03:49:46 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2008 03:49:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2008 03:49:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 03:49:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.112 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=OMt52ziJW96kwYV8Y_2BEBQ7TvoOfqxbU0JthJI-O7QInvRqRw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 8/8/08 6:53:06 AM Central Daylight Time,=20 > > amymousie@ writes: > >=20 > >=20 > > > I consider this a fairly ignorant statement, so I'll try to=20 explain. > > >=20 > > > ISB=3DIndependent SideBand > > >=20 > >=20 > > I thought you meant the I-something or another system used to > transmit HD.=20=20 > > You're right. An ISB system could not be transmitted=20 simutaneously > with a=20 > > C-QUAM signal. The two are mathematically (and practically) > incompatible. >=20 > Yeah, "HD Radio" is IBOC, not ISB. >=20 > (Even IBOC- "In-Band, On Channel"- is misleading, because the main > digital carriers ar not on channel, and should be more correctly > called IBAC-- Adjascent Channel".) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Hi Gang!!! If we use the ISB (Independent SideBands) and the C-QUAM systems in=20 the original way it was "invented", yes you are absolutely right:=20 this systems are incompatible each other. But, if we use it in another way (not the original) I can't see any=20 incompatibility. I mean, to use the main RF carrier split into three separately ISB=20 generators: one for the main envelope, another to the "I" signal and=20 another to the "Q" signal. In other words: 3 double balanced=20 modulators. In the C-QUAM system, when we add the "I" and "Q" signals we just=20 get the total sum of its sidebands, but remember this sidebands are=20 AM sidebands and they are just 90=BA phase shifted (not 180=BA). The=20 audio signals aren't phase shifted each other in the C-QUAM system,=20 so there isn't some cancellation here. In the standard C-QUAM receiver, we will get the full "I" and "Q"=20 sidebands and the main envelope sidebands too, so we can use these=20 sidebands, full separately, again. So we will have 3 different SideBands in the air: 1) The main envelope LSB and USB (full mono compatible). 2) The "I" modulator LSB and USB. 3) The "Q" modulator LSB and USB. Actually, in the C-QUAM system the "I" sidebands are the same of the=20 main envelope sidebands, because both are the L+R audio signal. In the "new" case we would have: 1) LSB 1 from the main envelope and "I" modulators, 2) USB 1 from the main envelope and "I" modulators, 3) LSB 2 from the "Q" modulator, and 4) USB 2 from the "Q" modulator. Thus, we can put 4 different channels in the air, with an extra=20 special quad audio matrix to get the mono and stereo compatibility,=20 of course. The only one problem I can see is about the Kahn and Motorola=20 granted permissions to use it, because I don't think they have=20 smoked the pipe of peace. Nobody could patent, register=20 and/or "invent" something already patented, registered and invented. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 21:10:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75302 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2008 04:10:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2008 04:10:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.211) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 04:10:18 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2008 04:10:18 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2008 04:10:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2008 04:10:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 04:10:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.112 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How to promote AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=W9Gh0H1_pMTQgB7zFmPs713wFeEDpyIxCFAaIe4WGS5Lt3IJPg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > Hi=20 >=20 > There are several ways to let a system die. One of them is to=20 > consider it dead even before the last switch of it is turned off.=20 I=20 > have seen technologies that have been considered "dead" from the=20 very=20 > first moment of the introduction of a new technology that, as=20 always,=20 > all thought it will solve all the "analog" problems or=20 misadvantages=20 > the older system had.=20 >=20 > I was working for YAESU Greece almost before 2 decades. The=20 > introduction of GSM cell phones thought to be (and it was)=20 > the "killer" of the professional transceivers market. And that was=20 > quite true for at least 6 years... Then the Athens earthquake came=20 at=20 > 1999, to leave 5 million peoples and all GSM based communications=20 > (that included many goverment facilities) without communications=20 for=20 > more than 3-5 hours, and those was the first aftershock critical=20 > hours.=20 > The older "analog" VHF/UHF systems came back to order, and while=20 they=20 > have been basically left without any serious maintanance for some=20 > time, have prooved their simple efficiency once more.=20 >=20 > After that, most owners of licensed VHF/UHF networks, reinstall=20 them=20 > and keep them working even today. The market of them has ALMOST=20 > gained again the sales numbers that it had before the introduction=20 of=20 > GSMs. >=20 > Even the newer digital trunking systems (as is the TETRA) hasn't=20 been=20 > so efficient, as are the simple analog PRS systems. The TETRA has=20 > many many benefits, but at least here at Greece, is not considered=20 to=20 > be the replacement of all analog transceivers on market...=20 >=20 > Now, what a station can do to promote (?) Analog CQUAM instead of=20 > giving up and turn to IBOC, or whatever other digi system?=20 > Well, probably the big ones will not care, and will pay the cost=20 to=20 > turn A to D.=20 > The smaller ones are the pancake however. These are the ones that=20 > either way will face the real problem. If they don't do anything,=20 > sooner or later will be "faced" out by the uprising use of digi=20 from=20 > the big ones. If there is no reaction from the smaller ones, the=20 digi=20 > will be left alone to "concrete" the airband without any real=20 > resistance (300-800 people of a "tech-nuts" forum will not be even=20 > consider as a serious opposition, see about that at a pdf I have=20 > upload lately, how the FCC characterized individuals that said=20 their=20=20 > arguments at the hearing for the first approvement of testing thru=20 > air the IBOC at 2001). Individuals opposing thru a forum, or at a=20 > hearing, going there as quantities of one, will "be considered as=20 > sympathetic to their view" and that will be it. Nobody will take=20 them=20 > in account, for any serious decision.=20=20 > But the smaller broadcasters have another way to go. If they have=20 to=20 > pay for buying new digi capable equipments (and then also have to=20 pay=20 > royalties for the system every year, to keep them updated and=20 > running), they must do the maths from scratch. Say that to a small=20 > local station the total cost to turn digi will be around 30 to=20 60K!=20 > If I was one of them I would turn that amount to a basic (even=20 second=20 > hand) installation of AMS needed equipments for studio,=20 transmitter=20 > (say ~10 to 12K ? to do that). Then with the rest 15-18K I will=20 > directly order 3 kinds of ONLY AM STEREO radios (some home radios,=20 > many small pocket size, and as much I can afford at car radios=20 with=20 > also just a CD at it), to some chinese (yes chinese, as that will=20 be=20 > the only cheap way to do it) radio manufacturer... ! Giving them=20 15K=20 > and they will include CQUAM decoding at any of their current model=20 > you want! And you can also put your station frequency at the No1=20 > factory preset! and even name them (or just name the model of=20 them,=20 > not the brand name of it) as your station ID is, if you ask them=20 to=20 > do it!=20 > Prefer to give those radios as "station free promo gifts"=20 everywhere=20 > on your local coverage (spot should be something like "you are=20 > residents of our town, and you haven't got our town station radios=20 > yet? Ask for it now! It's stereo and it's free!) or even at a=20 > symbolic cost that will just give you back an amount of=20 > this "promotional expense"! Give them everyday without making=20 > contests or other such "prized" events. Just say loud and clear to=20 > everyone, something like "it's time to get your LOCAL STEREO AM=20 > radios" > Turn your local people to a happy listener of yours. > These will cost at a total almost the same (maybe less is the=20 true)=20 > as trying to compete big guys by changing all of your equipments=20 to=20 > digi, without even knowing if your current listeners have the=20 ability=20 > to hear, or understand any change from your station, until THEY=20 PAY=20 > to get you on digi! (and even then I'm not sure they will really=20 > understand why they had to pay to listen you as always).=20 >=20 > If the above move is done from 50 or 100 small local stations the=20 > analog AMS system will never die! But it should be done soon!=20 Clock=20 > is ticking, and every tick of it, is less life, not to the Analog=20 AMS=20 > as you say, but to the small local stations that could not follow=20 the=20 > digi conversion, even if they have the hardcash neede to just=20 convert=20 > the equipments of them... Sooner or later digi will be turned to=20 be=20 > a "pay per listen", and that's IMHO the hidden and only true=20 reason=20 > that big ones and some others, forcing it at whatever cost...=20 Neither=20 > quality issues (yeahh, that was the word used at first digi sound=20 > formats, and we have MP3s now, that they have FULFILL their=20 > quality?).=20 >=20 > Sorry for this Iliad sized reply...=20 > Just couldn't understand how anyone can say "this is dead" when=20 there=20 > is still a breath (even a weak one) coming from it...=20=20 >=20 >=20 > PS: Oz has some guys that they have small stations and they try to=20 > convert them at AM stereo as we talk! Doesn't matter if they are=20 > small and not located at Sidney or other big cities... They are=20 going=20 > to be on air as stereo, as long as there is at least one analog=20 AMS=20 > receiver in their area... That's what I have been told in PM! I think the analog radio (AM, FM, mono or stereo) will never die=20 because is still the best system of the communication history,=20 DESPITE THE NOISE PROBLEMS. What we get from a noisy digital channels? =3D NOTHING! The digital=20 system only works with a MINIMAL ACCEPTABLE signal. In the other=20 side, our human hearing system accepts a lof of noise and=20 interferences and it still can decode the message (very good God's=20 work). I insist the digital audio world is fantastic, INTO THE STUDIO, INTO=20 THE PC, INTO THE MP3 PLAYER, INTO AN STRONG AND VERY GOOD SHIELDED=20 AND SHORT CABLE, but not in the air where there is a lot of=20 interferences and problems out of the human control. But I'm sure we need an educational campaign to re-educate the=20 listeners and the radio station owners too: WE NEED THE BEAUTIFUL=20 MUSIC AM RADIO STATIONS COME BACK TO US, URGENT!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Aug 09 06:19:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19288 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2008 13:19:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2008 13:19:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.158) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 13:19:15 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so348531yxp.34 for ; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 06:19:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.42.10 with SMTP id u10mr8967986ybj.201.1218287955134; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 06:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.88? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 33sm838243yxr.3.2008.08.09.06.19.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 06:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <8E92261C-E3CF-43F3-A392-B8446450B215@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 14:38:17 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=vlUpTZpg0y0waHRmZ10S8n1is5WNJD_hWmGzEpbuhtr4rRNvE94bqwA5E_O30w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Will the Moderator of this group PLEASE put an end to the Political posts? Kevin in Upstate South Carolina From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 09 06:31:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58317 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2008 13:31:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2008 13:31:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 13:31:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98137 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Aug 2008 13:31:04 -0000 X-Received: from [68.248.13.27] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 06:31:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 06:31:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <159255.97793.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Uxv3LlJfrB9y1Fjyae0NSgyGIwv_HfT50SLOAJ_hw4Jeqg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Amy, check out the US patent office, I remember seeing the patent for that = system there. Lots of good AM Stereo stuff, too!=A0 Searching is a bit of a pain, but wor= th the effort. (I even found a patent for a Field Effect Transistor there...in 1926!) George --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Amy Mousie wrote: From: Amy Mousie Subject: {AMSF} Re: RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stere= o To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 7:54 PM --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, george russell wrote= : > > Sounds all too familiar, doesn't it? Magnavox had an FM system that could deliver flat 20-20k audio with full separation, without the fringe fade-to-mono problem, but we got stuck with the current (Zenith/GE) system because it allows room for elevator music channels (SCA)! Actually, it was RCA/Crosby who had the FM-FM system-- Superior, yes, but was a spectrum hog. SCA was very important at the time as an income resource, and the Crosby system just didn't support the needed bandwidth to fit in a single SCA channel. (This was before a second SCA channel was added, at 92kHz. Originally, it was 41 & 62kHz over baseband (mono) FM. The Zenith system allowed for one channel at 67kHz. And yes, that was EXACTLY why the Zenith/GE FA-AM system was chosen.) (I really wish I had more detailed info on the Crosby FM- This actually was the more popular of the various stereo FM systems tested in the 1950s.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Aug 09 07:00:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93678 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2008 14:00:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2008 14:00:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 14:00:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2008 14:00:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2008 14:00:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 14:00:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <159255.97793.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.71 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.17.239 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=xK-2b2nyII7W1KzvWAyeoE6_LrMDXnZGesBkRBiQKjkX0QoQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Amy, check out the US patent office, I remember seeing the patent for that system there. > Lots of good AM Stereo stuff, too!=A0 Searching is a bit of a pain, but worth the effort. > (I even found a patent for a Field Effect Transistor there...in 1926!) Yeah, I collected over 200 AMS-related patents via the USPTO, finding them through links from others. I'm unsure where to start regarding the Crosby system, which has often been a hindrance. :( Been a while since I ploughed through, though. I usually concantenate the TIFF scans into DjVu files when I do. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (The LAST AMS system proposed was by Sansui, patented in 1987, based on the RCA/Belar AM-FM system.) From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Aug 09 07:59:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89148 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2008 14:59:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2008 14:59:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 14:59:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66793 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Aug 2008 14:59:12 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.88] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 07:59:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 07:59:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8E92261C-E3CF-43F3-A392-B8446450B215@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <287380.66735.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Jj27gNtgQFuPuRyfIagqAgyo7kYAO8XlwqNn21hb-rg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Kevin Tekel is the list owner. He's posting over on BC but not doing anything over here it seems. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Aug 09 09:45:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89277 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2008 16:45:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2008 16:45:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.28) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 16:45:02 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 31so375809yxl.81 for ; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:45:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.156.1 with SMTP id i1mr9253160ybo.117.1218300301770; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.88? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm3089880yxk.4.2008.08.09.09.45.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <11219EBA-7663-4712-B3DB-7B6D1D2F9F36@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <641790.11625.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 11:43:32 -0400 References: <641790.11625.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=3eD2GDljtEw3vr1-Y0kNOrd1fF3bpI24gaNzrdIvqYuxeW181kkLQtoryuMzOA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 8, 2008, at 6:51 PM, george russell wrote: > If you mean the ISB as in Kahn, it might be generated digitally, but > I think it is very much analog when it leaves the finals...or did I > miss something? KAHN CAM-D puts a Digital AM Stereo signal on a ISB Power-Side signal so you get the killer sound of Digital on a CAM-D receiver while actually improving the performance of a standard Analog receiver. Ol' Lenny may be an asshole, but he is pretty damn SMART! Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 09 10:25:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64824 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2008 17:25:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2008 17:25:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 17:25:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1243 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Aug 2008 17:25:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 10:25:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 10:25:22 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <190403.94956.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=QB9pcKL22f4q6A50QuEcMAnOBZLwS-tintI0s2lcejZfEg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Thanks for that bit about Sansui...I learn something new everyday! (Sansui also had the best quad matrix system, too, QS, but Columbia and Son= y had the bucks to push that screwy helical-groove SQ system...so like AM s= tereo, too many systems, not enough interest, ouch!) G=20 --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Amy Mousie wrote: > From: Amy Mousie > Subject: {AMSF} Re: RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM ste= reo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 10:00 AM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > wrote: > > > > Amy, check out the US patent office, I remember seeing > the patent > for that system there. > > Lots of good AM Stereo stuff, too!=A0 Searching is a > bit of a pain, > but worth the effort. > > (I even found a patent for a Field Effect Transistor > there...in 1926!) >=20 > Yeah, I collected over 200 AMS-related patents via the > USPTO, finding > them through links from others. I'm unsure where to > start regarding > the Crosby system, which has often been a hindrance. :( >=20 > Been a while since I ploughed through, though. I usually > concantenate > the TIFF scans into DjVu files when I do. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (The LAST AMS system proposed was by Sansui, patented in > 1987, based > on the RCA/Belar AM-FM system.) =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 09 10:26:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27095 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2008 17:26:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2008 17:26:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 17:26:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1972 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Aug 2008 17:26:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 10:26:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 10:26:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <287380.66735.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <655732.1836.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=fAcdRHfO55ITj50Xijg5SKBLWc4bhH-LxDaGM_GTNdaxqg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Maybe, like a few of us, he was sitting back enjoying watching the war movie! :>) G --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 10:59 AM > Kevin Tekel is the list owner. He's posting over on BC > but not doing anything over here it seems. > > > Powell > > > > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 09 10:28:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8290 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2008 17:28:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2008 17:28:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 17:28:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2966 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Aug 2008 17:28:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 10:28:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 10:28:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <369601.2438.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=7okG_thQaRAKmKcuoIiLjbV2XJbVc2v6WxsucGGJxt0BvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Quick trivia bit for you Amy...the PMX monitor at WOWO was actually a Belar= AM/FM monitor converted to PMX...whatever works, eh? G --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Amy Mousie wrote: > From: Amy Mousie > Subject: {AMSF} Re: RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM ste= reo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 10:00 AM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > wrote: > > > > Amy, check out the US patent office, I remember seeing > the patent > for that system there. > > Lots of good AM Stereo stuff, too!=A0 Searching is a > bit of a pain, > but worth the effort. > > (I even found a patent for a Field Effect Transistor > there...in 1926!) >=20 > Yeah, I collected over 200 AMS-related patents via the > USPTO, finding > them through links from others. I'm unsure where to > start regarding > the Crosby system, which has often been a hindrance. :( >=20 > Been a while since I ploughed through, though. I usually > concantenate > the TIFF scans into DjVu files when I do. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (The LAST AMS system proposed was by Sansui, patented in > 1987, based > on the RCA/Belar AM-FM system.) =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 09 10:37:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36416 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2008 17:37:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2008 17:37:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 17:37:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20398 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Aug 2008 17:36:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 10:36:58 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 10:36:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <11219EBA-7663-4712-B3DB-7B6D1D2F9F36@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <149548.19073.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=4EpCIW35boyFhwodpPcFs0Grg4SVwx7ECP2Yw5fXmjrWhQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yeah, I've talked to Lenny on the phone, he is a very nice guy, and has fought tirelessly to get IBOC canned. Not just to promote CAM-D, but because he honestly cares about the future well-being of AM. I wish his system would be voted the standard...bye-bye IBOC, ain't gonna miss ya! Then I might consider buying something that is AM and digital at the same time. We have a station here in MI that is using CAM-D. I hope someday to take a ride over to their local area and hear it for myself. (can't recall the call sign...anybody heard it?) G --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB and C-QUAM at the same time > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 11:43 AM > On Aug 8, 2008, at 6:51 PM, george russell wrote: > > > If you mean the ISB as in Kahn, it might be generated > digitally, but > > I think it is very much analog when it leaves the > finals...or did I > > miss something? > > KAHN CAM-D puts a Digital AM Stereo signal on a ISB > Power-Side signal > so you get the killer sound of Digital on a CAM-D receiver > while > actually improving the performance of a standard Analog > receiver. Ol' > Lenny may be an asshole, but he is pretty damn SMART! > > Kevin From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Aug 09 15:00:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66595 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2008 22:00:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2008 22:00:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2008 22:00:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61018 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Aug 2008 22:00:16 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:00:15 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:00:15 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8E92261C-E3CF-43F3-A392-B8446450B215@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <987283.60149.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=g0i8UpklkGlYtRBwmf23jUDkos0lC2gDPQ18L5EH_y6FzHzqXmXj X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Translation:=A0 Would you please limit these peoples Free Speech? =A0 =A0 =A0 --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stere= o To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 2:38 PM Will the Moderator of this group PLEASE put an end to the Political=20 posts? Kevin in Upstate South Carolina =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Aug 09 17:55:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89684 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 00:55:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 00:55:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 00:55:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9234 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2008 00:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.157] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:55:20 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 17:55:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <987283.60149.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <635334.8947.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Wdf3GdTikrpx4C70qgNMLlUmpkO17iXntK0LaBK-s9c X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Yes Mr. KNOW-IT-ALL....... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 8/9/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > Translation: Would you please limit these peoples Free Speech? > From: Possum Hunter > > > Will the Moderator of this group PLEASE put an end to the > Political posts? From w6yn@juno.com Sat Aug 09 18:52:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10381 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 01:52:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 01:52:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 01:52:41 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail02.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.142]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEK6UP7A6BP5X2 for (sender ); Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:51:57 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD9GraP5enBYLFcsZoErG4mQ= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail02.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NR7T2QMN; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:51:33 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.244.200] by webmail02.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:50:46 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:50:46 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080809.185046.28871.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-ContentStamp: 5:2:1284383053 X-MAIL-INFO:4d7e339aae1f1e0bee377a93c70f27a71757ee23fadbc78ed76efe6f0a0a570a2347fe63fbb36f0e4eaa673e978343776e8e2fcfa73e3f3f77bb9f375a2abbaf87afeb33133f9faf5fbb97ab X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.142|webmail02.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=m0ljyvvh5-RWkM2rmiEbcxtCJozdgrqQGt21YSjv_g X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn OMG are we back on the misnamed "Fairness Doctrine?" Don -- "Powell E. Way III" wrote: Yes Mr. KNOW-IT-ALL....... Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 8/9/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > Translation: Would you please limit these peoples Free Speech? > From: Possum Hunter >=20 >=20 > Will the Moderator of this group PLEASE put an end to the > Political posts? From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Aug 09 21:46:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2336 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 04:46:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 04:46:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 04:46:05 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c3e.2d2c54cd (48600) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:46:19 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=b-8nnqqc-yOWeBki74ohe1AHYEzSmIPXc5UbbrHGGK2VOYbWbAm3g17IrMduLzQo X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have musing over the issue. Promotion of AM Stereo first requires the promotion of AM radio. I recently rented a car, actually a truck, with Sirius satellite radio. Just like cable television, 90% or more of the channels were junk. Just something to fill the bandwidth for the sake of just filling the bandwidth. It's a case of one's reach (bandwidth) exceeding one's grasp (the ability to profitably program it with quality content). The key words are quality content. This is going to ruffle some feathers, but I believe there are just too many AM stations operating too many hours. Listenership and sponsorship is simply too fragmented and diluted to promote quality programming which I believe is the key to reviving the media. Coverage and quality of signal is meaningless unless it is carrying something a sufficient number of people are willing to tune in. Audience, which translates into ad revenue, is a product of geographic coverage and market share within that area. In my opinion, station ownership started diverting too much ad revenue into profit inside of programming. Programming suffered and market share declined taking down ad revenue with it. To make up for the drop in overall ad revenue, an even higher percentage had to be diverted to sustain profits and programming suffered even more. It started a vicous cycle which accounts for much of AM radio today. For the sake of economy, more and more bandwidth is carrying the same programming. Thus, commercial AM radio has become very monolythic. To illustrate my point, add up the nightime carrier power the stations carrying Hannity or C2C and the population within their primary service areas compared to other programming. I believe when one has reached a dead end, as AM radio is bordering on, the best course is to retrace one's steps back to when things started down the wrong path. In doing so, I found profound wisdom in the original regulatory scheme envisioned for commercial AM radio. High power Primary Class IA stations to serve large portions of the country from major metropolitan areas at night. Secondary Class II stations to provide regional and local coverage beyond the reach of the dominant stations during during the day. Medium power Regional Class III stations to provide day and evening coverage to regional population centers. Finally, lower power Local Class IV stations to serve small communities. It made sense. It worked. However, serving the public took a back seat to profits in the 1980s. Deregulation was the craze that swept broadcasting as it swept the airlines, savings and loans, mortgage banking, securities, and corporate govenance. The result was short term boasts in profits at the expense of the ruination of industry. Greed, and the money that went with it, went from one industry to the next, sucking the live out of each before moving on, leaving a path of devastation in its wake. I believe we need to return to the original regulatory scheme, including bans on multiple station ownership within the same market as well as a limit on the total number of stations under common ownership. Second, I believe the number of secondary stations needs to be reduced during the evening hours to allow the dominant stations to re-assume their originally intended purpose. Lastly, in consideration of the increased electrical interference, the Rio Treaty needs to be revisted to allow superpower stations, perhaps 500kW or 1MW on the U.S. clear channels. The allocation of such stations would be based on the size of the metropolitan areas served. No entity could own more than one such station and there would be strictly enforced unique programming requirements that would have to be met. I came to like George's idea of superpower the more I thought about it. This would have to be coupled with increased frequency protection. Of course these stations would be required to be CQUAM AM Stereo. Does anyone know what the highest power CQUAM has been implemented on the air? Someone could dustoff some of the Amphiphase designs RCA did for Mexico. As the Aussie's proved, Ampliphase loves CQUAM right out of the box (or crate). As for the programming, once the potential for respectible ad revenues has been restored and demands for unique programming are imposed, quality programming will follow. If you build it, they will come. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 01:50:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11733 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 08:50:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 08:50:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 08:50:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73973 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2008 08:50:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:50:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:50:38 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <755160.72424.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=WQNYxVJt8gP7K8HDWRmDIIt--zCNh5dbpfOqeHu2UpRlyg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Thank you, Mike! I'm glad somebody else sees the sense in that...your plan would do wonders for radio, maybe even get a whole new generation to hang up the iPods and learn something! I well remember (gonna show my age here!) thinking of the radio dial as a forest, with lots of small bushes (local stations), some good-sized trees (regionals) and a few mighty Redwoods, the REAL clear channels that served entire countries, even more than one country. At one time, you could go just about anywhere on the PLANET and hear either WLW or XERA, or both. Today, the mighty trees have withered, the bushes have turned to weeds and are sky high, and there must either be some long overdue landscaping done...or a forest fire! Place your bets, ladies and gents... George n, 8/10/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: {AMSF} The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 12:46 AM > I have musing over the issue. Promotion of AM Stereo first > requires the > promotion of AM radio. > > I recently rented a car, actually a truck, with Sirius > satellite radio. Just > like cable television, 90% or more of the channels were > junk. Just something > to fill the bandwidth for the sake of just filling the > bandwidth. It's a > case of one's reach (bandwidth) exceeding one's > grasp (the ability to profitably > program it with quality content). The key words are > quality content. > > This is going to ruffle some feathers, but I believe there > are just too many > AM stations operating too many hours. Listenership and > sponsorship is simply > too fragmented and diluted to promote quality programming > which I believe is > the key to reviving the media. Coverage and quality of > signal is meaningless > unless it is carrying something a sufficient number of > people are willing to > tune in. Audience, which translates into ad revenue, is a > product of geographic > coverage and market share within that area. In my opinion, > station ownership > started diverting too much ad revenue into profit inside of > programming. > Programming suffered and market share declined taking down > ad revenue with it. > To make up for the drop in overall ad revenue, an even > higher percentage had to > be diverted to sustain profits and programming suffered > even more. It > started a vicous cycle which accounts for much of AM radio > today. For the sake of > economy, more and more bandwidth is carrying the same > programming. Thus, > commercial AM radio has become very monolythic. To > illustrate my point, add up the > nightime carrier power the stations carrying Hannity or C2C > and the > population within their primary service areas compared to > other programming. > > I believe when one has reached a dead end, as AM radio is > bordering on, the > best course is to retrace one's steps back to when > things started down the > wrong path. In doing so, I found profound wisdom in the > original regulatory > scheme envisioned for commercial AM radio. High power > Primary Class IA stations > to serve large portions of the country from major > metropolitan areas at night. > Secondary Class II stations to provide regional and local > coverage beyond > the reach of the dominant stations during during the day. > Medium power Regional > Class III stations to provide day and evening coverage to > regional population > centers. Finally, lower power Local Class IV stations to > serve small > communities. It made sense. It worked. > > However, serving the public took a back seat to profits in > the 1980s. > Deregulation was the craze that swept broadcasting as it > swept the airlines, > savings and loans, mortgage banking, securities, and > corporate govenance. The > result was short term boasts in profits at the expense of > the ruination of > industry. Greed, and the money that went with it, went > from one industry to the next, > sucking the live out of each before moving on, leaving a > path of devastation > in its wake. > > I believe we need to return to the original regulatory > scheme, including bans > on multiple station ownership within the same market as > well as a limit on > the total number of stations under common ownership. > Second, I believe the > number of secondary stations needs to be reduced during the > evening hours to allow > the dominant stations to re-assume their originally > intended purpose. > Lastly, in consideration of the increased electrical > interference, the Rio Treaty > needs to be revisted to allow superpower stations, perhaps > 500kW or 1MW on the > U.S. clear channels. The allocation of such stations would > be based on the > size of the metropolitan areas served. No entity could own > more than one such > station and there would be strictly enforced unique > programming requirements > that would have to be met. > > I came to like George's idea of superpower the more I > thought about it. This > would have to be coupled with increased frequency > protection. > > Of course these stations would be required to be CQUAM AM > Stereo. Does > anyone know what the highest power CQUAM has been > implemented on the air? > > Someone could dustoff some of the Amphiphase designs RCA > did for Mexico. As > the Aussie's proved, Ampliphase loves CQUAM right out > of the box (or crate). > > As for the programming, once the potential for respectible > ad revenues has > been restored and demands for unique programming are > imposed, quality > programming will follow. If you build it, they will come. > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 03:41:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12242 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 10:41:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 10:41:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.145) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 10:41:23 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2008 10:41:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2008 10:41:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2008 10:41:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:41:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.17.239 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=0GG3gtGwWqidLp-HXR-RoYq_dsUXJu5zmJY8vc6Iz-XnY2NX X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Of course these stations would be required to be CQUAM AM Stereo. Does=20 > anyone know what the highest power CQUAM has been implemented on the air? France Bleu, 864kHz, Paris, France -- 300kW. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 04:46:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42618 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 11:45:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 11:45:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.134) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 11:45:58 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n7.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2008 11:45:57 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2008 11:45:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2008 11:45:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:45:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.203.47.245 From: "ai9e_qrp" Subject: Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=241001136; y=t0Wb3pO-wYn4KckClyZBbtvPRuGRnveULoOBNQWaByWouLw X-Yahoo-Profile: ai9e_qrp The quickest way to revive AM radio is for the FCC to mandate a minimum percentage of programming of a local origin. If you look at the better AMs out there, they are the ones providing local high school or college sporting events, local news and politics, local traffic, or a buy-sell-trade show. This in no way would regulate political content. Even the most noxious satellite-fed station would be palatable if there were a live person at the microphone from time to time to comment on the slick streets on the way to work, or whatever. Any station who couldn't afford a live body at the mike for a couple hours a day would fold, and probably not be missed.=20 From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Aug 10 04:51:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73844 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 11:51:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 11:51:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.28) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 11:51:34 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 31so1939407yxl.51 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:51:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.114.6 with SMTP id r6mr10389916ybm.138.1218369094376; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.103? ( [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z26sm123324ele.7.2008.08.10.04.51.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <47A84385-20F8-4EBB-88DB-28CB986F2FAF@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <987283.60149.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 21:19:58 -0400 References: <987283.60149.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=NJt2VFDYrnoWe1-NUodZD4anWrcnzkczo0Gi9UoOPl1lZBh0yvsB_64SiBYaAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 9, 2008, at 6:00 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Translation: Would you please limit these peoples Free Speech? Damn Right! There is a reason Yahoo has different groups in different categories. This group by name is for those of us who want to talk about different forms of Stereophonic Broadcasting on the Medium Wave AM Broadcast Band. If you want to talk about Politics, go do it on a Political Yahoo group and save the AM Stereo Forum from having to download the political crap. I will betcha the Political group owners would BAN your ass for posting technical details of AM Stereo broadcasting on their groups. Kevin in Upstate South Carolina From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Aug 10 04:51:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74020 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 11:51:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 11:51:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.28) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 11:51:40 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so551204ywh.39 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:51:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.108.17 with SMTP id k17mr10422525ybm.51.1218369099672; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.103? ( [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z26sm123324ele.7.2008.08.10.04.51.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2B1ADE72-304D-4558-BE53-52D7F657DBE1@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <149548.19073.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:21:21 -0400 References: <149548.19073.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=VRsXr0JF21CcFjARorKrgQcXlFbhHqse6BiVtCcLqJAyRMdcMj7k8MxTFoIJrA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 9, 2008, at 1:36 PM, george russell wrote: > Yeah, I've talked to Lenny on the phone, he is a very nice guy, and > has fought tirelessly to get IBOC canned. Not just to promote CAM- > D, but because he honestly cares about the future well-being of AM. > I wish his system would be voted the standard...bye-bye IBOC, ain't > gonna miss ya! Yup, that is true, but it was his endless lawsuits that all but killed AM Stereo in the US. Lenny has also really pissed off the engineers at several major stations such as Tom at WOR. A Corporate Engineer that hates your guts ain't gonna put your box on any of his transmitters! > Then I might consider buying something that is AM and digital at the > same time. We have a station here in MI that is using CAM-D. I > hope someday to take a ride over to their local area and hear it for > myself. > (can't recall the call sign...anybody heard it?) I heard CAM-D on the air in Tampa. It works as advertised, but I don't like the way it is advertised by Kahn. He advertises it as the "Magic Cure" for worn-out transmitters, poor ground systems and Poorly maintained or poorly engineered antenna systems. Common sense tells you to put the CAM-D box into a GOOD RF Plant to see what it will REALLY do. Kevin From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Aug 10 06:15:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31283 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 13:15:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 13:15:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 13:15:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 88332 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2008 13:15:07 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:15:06 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:15:06 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <47A84385-20F8-4EBB-88DB-28CB986F2FAF@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5698.87797.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ErZfiAMwV66tB_GqOIzqeAxJMj2tMX4QjyLdVbXPuScaQNPOAs_y X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You realize you are directing this at more than myself right?=A0 Theres a l= ot of folks here in agreement with myself and others.=A0 You might be surpr= ised! ;o) =A0 --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stere= o To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 9:19 PM On Aug 9, 2008, at 6:00 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Translation: Would you please limit these peoples Free Speech? Damn Right! There is a reason Yahoo has different groups in different=20 categories. This group by name is for those of us who want to talk=20 about different forms of Stereophonic Broadcasting on the Medium Wave=20 AM Broadcast Band. If you want to talk about Politics, go do it on a=20 Political Yahoo group and save the AM Stereo Forum from having to=20 download the political crap. I will betcha the Political group owners=20 would BAN your ass for posting technical details of AM Stereo=20 broadcasting on their groups. Kevin in Upstate South Carolina =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 06:22:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43127 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 13:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 13:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.221) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 13:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2008 13:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.243] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2008 13:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp404.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2008 13:22:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 205278.43796.bm@omp404.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 10242 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 13:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@72.161.197.211 with plain) by smtp128.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 13:22:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: k3D_nnwVM1nyMiNV5pABEk01qncqicgZkOqWg4ZSUhNjkM6MDDdDDJxflSOqMn1HlSwDVrIPQ7SxzEokpr3IC7a_boL_ga75j7sv17EHydVO5O.dBTLPaW.EhFmXJRl2yw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <5698.87797.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <5698.87797.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0A94D045-B122-427C-A9A9-3FD11C223951@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:22:30 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=H1s_K_5K--38HyLrIjb5FT0L1MhhbGNkm1WGhVFZa_I3Kpn-2w X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 10, 2008, at 8:15 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > You realize you are directing this at more than myself right? > Theres a lot of folks here in agreement with myself and others. > You might be surprised! ;o) Kevin the Possum Hunter is right. This really is a list to discuss AM stereo in all forms. We have ran afar off topic by putting the whiny Republicans in their place. That said we probably should keep it to the general thrust of this mail list, AM stereo. After all that, its not my mail list and as long as the moderator lets it run then it must be ok. I know lately I have tried to keep my fingers tied in a knot over political matters and let a lot of things ride by. Kevin Adamsville, TN From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 07:12:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23291 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 14:12:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 14:12:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 14:12:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 92532 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2008 14:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.149] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:12:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:12:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5698.87797.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <869195.92218.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=gA53YrBdtidLCTJ8ctDdAmNDQG486cyKfVmN675hW8Y X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW It makes not a whit. This is an AM Stereo list. If you pulled this crap on most moderated lists you would get only one warning. Then you would be moderated or thrown off the list. It's like this. If you are on a list and it's got strict guidelines, it doesn't matter a bit what you think you have the right to do. The list is NOT a democracy. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 8/10/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > You realize you are directing this at more than myself > right? Theres a lot of folks here in agreement with myself > and others. You might be surprised! ;o) > > > > --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Possum Hunter > wrote: > > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list > will kill AM stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 9:19 PM > > > > > > > > On Aug 9, 2008, at 6:00 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > > > Translation: Would you please limit these peoples Free > Speech? > > Damn Right! There is a reason Yahoo has different groups in > different > categories. This group by name is for those of us who want > to talk > about different forms of Stereophonic Broadcasting on the > Medium Wave > AM Broadcast Band. If you want to talk about Politics, go > do it on a > Political Yahoo group and save the AM Stereo Forum from > having to > download the political crap. I will betcha the Political > group owners > would BAN your ass for posting technical details of AM > Stereo > broadcasting on their groups. > > Kevin in Upstate South Carolina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Aug 10 08:13:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30129 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 15:12:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 15:12:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 15:12:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82464 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2008 15:12:56 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:12:55 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:12:55 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <869195.92218.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <44143.82089.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=7IX2O6AsEg3FWfM37GVC6lzYvziKhJ3gslJQE9Ux4nbrDrqiJrKH X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You guys really trip me out.=A0 I don't worry about all this stuff like yal= l do.=A0 Age is showing because people are becoming grumpy old men.=A0 We a= ll have played devils advocate here so I dont think you can call the kettle= black.=A0 I think you've been in on the political discussions as well as I= recall.=A0 I rather thought the discussion was refreshing.=A0 What more is= there to be said about AM?=A0 I haven't heard anything NEW in here in fore= ver, just the same old same old.=A0 I tried to start something new concerni= ng HD and AM but no one seemed interested in that!=A0 Can't blame me, I tri= ed.=A0 I think at best what we need to be considering is HD because like it= or not it looks as though that is where things are going.=A0 So shouldn't = we start discussing stereo as it relates to AM on HD?=A0 Yes of course we a= ll love CQUAM and the various analog stereo formats but they are simply not= going to be around much longer as much as we hate to admit.=A0 This list d= eals more with the fact of STEREO than AM when you think about it or we wouldn'= t be pushing stereo on AM.=A0 Therefore it only seems befitting to be talki= ng about the possibilities of STEREO AM HD.=A0 I'm sure at some point they = will figure the inherent problems out concerning AM and HD.=A0 I think what= needs to happen in order for all that to work is that they need to rethink= AM from the ground up for digital.=A0 Now perhaps that could be worked out= someway with HD or maybe it's that another digital scheme comes along for = AM.=A0 Who knows.=A0 Theories need to be tossed around concerning this.=A0 = Theres not nearly enough talk about digital AM.=A0 It may not be HD, as I s= aid maybe it's something that hasn't yet been developed.=A0 It does seem th= ough that talk in many areas is sliding over to FM.=A0 You will see that in= crease I think as HD becomes more common on FM because of the subchannels.= =A0 Who knows...we may lose the AM band as we know it altogether.=A0 Anothe= r issue that needs to be discussed is quality programming and talent.=A0 Two= things I already brought up in former posts.=A0 As far as currently availa= ble HD receivers it seems to me that the Sangean is the best.=A0 Now there = .....theres yet another attempt at talking about stereo. =A0 -Kevin --- On Sun, 8/10/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stere= o To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 10:12 AM It makes not a whit. This is an AM Stereo list. If you pulled this crap on = most moderated lists you would get only one warning. Then you would be mode= rated or thrown off the list. It's like this. If you are on a list and it's= got strict guidelines, it doesn't matter a bit what you think you have the= right to do. The list is NOT a democracy.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 8/10/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > You realize you are directing this at more than myself > right? Theres a lot of folks here in agreement with myself > and others. You might be surprised! ;o) >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Possum Hunter > wrote: >=20 > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list > will kill AM stereo > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 9:19 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Aug 9, 2008, at 6:00 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: >=20 > > Translation: Would you please limit these peoples Free > Speech? >=20 > Damn Right! There is a reason Yahoo has different groups in > different=20 > categories. This group by name is for those of us who want > to talk=20 > about different forms of Stereophonic Broadcasting on the > Medium Wave=20 > AM Broadcast Band. If you want to talk about Politics, go > do it on a=20 > Political Yahoo group and save the AM Stereo Forum from > having to=20 > download the political crap. I will betcha the Political > group owners=20 > would BAN your ass for posting technical details of AM > Stereo=20 > broadcasting on their groups. >=20 > Kevin in Upstate South Carolina >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 08:39:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50427 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 15:39:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 15:39:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 15:39:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 52806 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2008 15:39:20 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.149] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:39:20 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:39:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <44143.82089.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <406172.50256.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=NRWiU1sMncWlGfyQOLvQ7c3PQF-G35K1od8So5PYliM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Comments inline...... NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 8/10/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > You guys really trip me out. I don't worry about all > this stuff like yall do. Age is showing because people are > becoming grumpy old men. You are making me testy. You are 35? Going into the work force for the first time. You ARE old then.... > We all have played devils > advocate here so I dont think you can call the kettle > black. Purple with green polka dots.... > I think you've been in on the political > discussions as well as I recall. I rather thought the > discussion was refreshing. I was and the entire discussion was not refreshing. > What more is there to be said > about AM? I haven't heard anything NEW in here in > forever, just the same old same old. I tried to start > something new concerning HD and AM but no one seemed > interested in that! There's nothing NEW about HD and AM. Here it is, HD radio does not work on MW, just as DRM does not work on SW. Sorry Amy Mousie, but DRM requires a strong and stable signal with absolutely no interference at all and no strong selective fades. HD will decode with skywave, but there can NOT be any interference on either sideband. And the signal needs to be smokin' strong to do so. > Can't blame me, I tried. I think > at best what we need to be considering is HD because like it > or not it looks as though that is where things are going. On AM or Medium wave it just doesn't work well. A lot of DA's can't handle it. And the range is far less than analog other than Tom Ray's magic WOR..... :) > So shouldn't we start discussing stereo as it relates to > AM on HD? Yes of course we all love CQUAM and the various > analog stereo formats but they are simply not going to be > around much longer as much as we hate to admit. This list > deals > more with the fact of STEREO than AM when you think about > it or we wouldn't be pushing stereo on AM. Therefore > it only seems befitting to be talking about the > possibilities of STEREO AM HD. That's for the list owner to decide, if he'd ever show up here. > I'm sure at some point > they will figure the inherent problems out concerning AM and > HD. I think what needs to happen in order for all that to > work is that they need to rethink AM from the ground up for > digital. Yes, it is called TURN OFF the analog. Go digital with the SAME power that the analog station had. > Now perhaps that could be worked out someway with > HD or maybe it's that another digital scheme comes along > for AM. Another scheme. We then have to start all over again. > Who knows. Theories need to be tossed around > concerning this. Theres not nearly enough talk about > digital AM. It may not be HD, as I said maybe it's > something that hasn't yet been developed. It does seem > though that talk in many areas is sliding over to FM. You > will see that increase I think as HD becomes more common on > FM because of the subchannels. No one is running secondaries here that are much different than what we have now. I can't get WMYI's HD because it is onl 192 watts. FM now has 1% of analog power. Not enough. There is thought of going to 10% but that will cause a lot of interference, and most all stations will have to replace the entire HD transmitting plant.... from transmitter to antenna. And really 10% is too low. > Who knows...we may lose the > AM band as we know it altogether. Another > issue that needs to be discussed is quality programming > and talent. Two things I already brought up in former > posts. As far as currently available HD receivers it seems > to me that the Sangean is the best. Now there .....theres > yet another attempt at talking about stereo. The Sangean has been kicked off the top of the heap by the new Sony. It's less expensive than the Sangean and is a smoking HOT on FM, and better on AM than any other receiver or tuner to date. I know of quite a few DX'ers getting them for the DX'ing capability, not the HD part. And when you cash in the rebate, it's about $40. Powell From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Aug 10 08:43:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94080 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 15:43:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 15:43:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 15:43:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 40956 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2008 15:43:11 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:43:10 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:43:10 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <406172.50256.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <63613.40546.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=tjSMvXVtRQB2MtAJGCaDeHijDMLl8j5I2M-Rj3CR5QBnH1c1pcIo X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How you figured going into the work force for the first time is beyond me, = I worked my way through college.=A0 You simply do not know me sir, Ive neve= r met you.=A0 As for the Sangean, if we are to follow our little list here = and I believe you wnated us to get back to AM Stereo then the sangean does = CQUAM, the Sony doesnt. =A0 =A0 --- On Sun, 8/10/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stere= o To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 11:39 AM Comments inline...... NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 8/10/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > You guys really trip me out. I don't worry about all > this stuff like yall do. Age is showing because people are > becoming grumpy old men. You are making me testy. You are 35? Going into the work force for the firs= t time. You ARE old then.... > We all have played devils > advocate here so I dont think you can call the kettle > black.=20 Purple with green polka dots.... > I think you've been in on the political > discussions as well as I recall. I rather thought the > discussion was refreshing. I was and the entire discussion was not refreshing.=20 > What more is there to be said > about AM? I haven't heard anything NEW in here in > forever, just the same old same old. I tried to start > something new concerning HD and AM but no one seemed > interested in that!=20 There's nothing NEW about HD and AM. Here it is, HD radio does not work on = MW, just as DRM does not work on SW. Sorry Amy Mousie, but DRM requires a s= trong and stable signal with absolutely no interference at all and no stron= g selective fades. HD will decode with skywave, but there can NOT be any in= terference on either sideband. And the signal needs to be smokin' strong to= do so.=20 > Can't blame me, I tried. I think > at best what we need to be considering is HD because like it > or not it looks as though that is where things are going.=20 On AM or Medium wave it just doesn't work well. A lot of DA's can't handle = it. And the range is far less than analog other than Tom Ray's magic WOR...= .. :) > So shouldn't we start discussing stereo as it relates to > AM on HD? Yes of course we all love CQUAM and the various > analog stereo formats but they are simply not going to be > around much longer as much as we hate to admit. This list > deals > more with the fact of STEREO than AM when you think about > it or we wouldn't be pushing stereo on AM. Therefore > it only seems befitting to be talking about the > possibilities of STEREO AM HD.=20 That's for the list owner to decide, if he'd ever show up here.=20 > I'm sure at some point > they will figure the inherent problems out concerning AM and > HD. I think what needs to happen in order for all that to > work is that they need to rethink AM from the ground up for > digital.=20 Yes, it is called TURN OFF the analog. Go digital with the SAME power that = the analog station had.=20 > Now perhaps that could be worked out someway with > HD or maybe it's that another digital scheme comes along > for AM. Another scheme. We then have to start all over again.=20 > Who knows. Theories need to be tossed around > concerning this. Theres not nearly enough talk about > digital AM. It may not be HD, as I said maybe it's > something that hasn't yet been developed. It does seem > though that talk in many areas is sliding over to FM. You > will see that increase I think as HD becomes more common on > FM because of the subchannels.=20 No one is running secondaries here that are much different than what we hav= e now. I can't get WMYI's HD because it is onl 192 watts. FM now has 1% of = analog power. Not enough. There is thought of going to 10% but that will ca= use a lot of interference, and most all stations will have to replace the e= ntire HD transmitting plant.... from transmitter to antenna. And really 10%= is too low.=20 > Who knows...we may lose the > AM band as we know it altogether. Another > issue that needs to be discussed is quality programming > and talent. Two things I already brought up in former > posts. As far as currently available HD receivers it seems > to me that the Sangean is the best. Now there .....theres > yet another attempt at talking about stereo. The Sangean has been kicked off the top of the heap by the new Sony. It's l= ess expensive than the Sangean and is a smoking HOT on FM, and better on AM= than any other receiver or tuner to date. I know of quite a few DX'ers get= ting them for the DX'ing capability, not the HD part. And when you cash in = the rebate, it's about $40.=20 Powell =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Aug 10 08:47:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99653 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 15:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 15:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s13.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 15:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W12 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s13.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:46:12 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:46:12 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2008 15:46:12.0957 (UTC) FILETIME=[377D00D0:01C8FB00] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: AM 740 CHWO becomes CFZM - AM 740 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=M6HwPw6JscWaTiS_qXFq3a-74wXYmTcaWm5zy8s9Ksb_EE-z1t259Ic0oTw X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was able to listen to AM 740 last night for the first time; as they now stream over the web; but some changes go into effect tomorrow from what I've read on some of the Toronto radio boards. They will still be music 21 hours per day, but are trying a live and local talk program from 10 am through 1 pm Monday through Friday; I hope this doesn't mean they are morphing into a talk station. They are under new ownership and the call letters changed on the 22nd of July to CFZM; in listening last night they had an interesting blend of music from the 1950's and 1960's. Donn, in one of many am stereo free zones - St. Petersburg,FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 08:54:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82480 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 15:54:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 15:54:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 15:54:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 86832 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2008 15:54:13 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.149] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:54:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:54:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <63613.40546.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <327873.86804.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Jyw7V5cJxgNg5FyyBuaQAjLIursYNyHJduBzVF-NHhY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 8/10/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > How you figured going into the work force for the first time > is beyond me, I worked my way through college. There is big ageism in hiring. There are 21 year olds getting their degree. No matter what you are at a severe disadvantage getting a job. If I had the abolutely best credentials, at almost 62 virtually NO one is going to even look at me. THAT is what I am saying. Yes, it's bad, but true. As for the Sangean, > if we are to follow our little list here and I believe you > wnated us to get back to AM Stereo then the sangean does > CQUAM, the Sony doesnt. So, just because of CQUAM you'd give up a stupendous tuner to get on that's "JUST OK" ?? And there are FAR better analog tuners you can find used that do CQUAM with better audio than the Sangean. Powell From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 12:18:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89358 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 19:18:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 19:18:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 19:18:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 35712 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2008 19:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:18:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:18:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <2B1ADE72-304D-4558-BE53-52D7F657DBE1@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <811955.35321.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=G-jlBau3r4pB5ktN1kPvNy3dnlOXbS2VzusxhCtN8R_obA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Again, I've learned soemthing...I thought Motorola was the one that cried foul when the FCC chose PMX. This forum is like a free history library! G --- On Sun, 8/10/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB and C-QUAM at the same time > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 7:21 AM > On Aug 9, 2008, at 1:36 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Yeah, I've talked to Lenny on the phone, he is a > very nice guy, and > > has fought tirelessly to get IBOC canned. Not just to > promote CAM- > > D, but because he honestly cares about the future > well-being of AM. > > I wish his system would be voted the > standard...bye-bye IBOC, ain't > > gonna miss ya! > > Yup, that is true, but it was his endless lawsuits that all > but killed > AM Stereo in the US. Lenny has also really pissed off the > engineers at > several major stations such as Tom at WOR. A Corporate > Engineer that > hates your guts ain't gonna put your box on any of his > transmitters! > > > Then I might consider buying something that is AM and > digital at the > > same time. We have a station here in MI that is > using CAM-D. I > > hope someday to take a ride over to their local area > and hear it for > > myself. > > (can't recall the call sign...anybody heard it?) > > I heard CAM-D on the air in Tampa. It works as advertised, > but I don't > like the way it is advertised by Kahn. He advertises it as > the "Magic > Cure" for worn-out transmitters, poor ground systems > and Poorly > maintained or poorly engineered antenna systems. Common > sense tells > you to put the CAM-D box into a GOOD RF Plant to see what > it will > REALLY do. > > Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 12:19:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78524 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 19:19:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 19:19:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 19:19:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 90282 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2008 19:19:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:19:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:19:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <115169.89807.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=ZOkqkPDsw-6zunYvHdWSBcKiZOjQIZbFoVtq7edusOYqlw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Amen to that! G --- On Sun, 8/10/08, ai9e_qrp wrote: > From: ai9e_qrp > Subject: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 7:45 AM > The quickest way to revive AM radio is for the FCC to > mandate a > minimum percentage of programming of a local origin. If you > look at > the better AMs out there, they are the ones providing local > high > school or college sporting events, local news and politics, > local > traffic, or a buy-sell-trade show. This in no way would > regulate > political content. Even the most noxious satellite-fed > station would > be palatable if there were a live person at the microphone > from time > to time to comment on the slick streets on the way to work, > or > whatever. Any station who couldn't afford a live body > at the mike for > a couple hours a day would fold, and probably not be > missed. From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 12:26:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87930 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 19:26:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 19:26:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 19:26:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12959 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2008 19:25:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:25:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:25:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <406172.50256.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <578900.12946.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=1nPzPNvPwyoCAYvJ9SKmDo_Sn_lHmWo5HBnO6xNXmhnqQg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Face it, an AM channel is not very big, and can only hold so much. By the time you digitize the audio, you have to compress the crap out of it to make it fit in the channel. And we all know what high compression/low bit-rate means...bad sound! G --- On Sun, 8/10/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 11:39 AM > Comments inline...... > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > --- On Sun, 8/10/08, clemsonbloke > wrote: > > > You guys really trip me out. I don't worry about > all > > this stuff like yall do. Age is showing because > people are > > becoming grumpy old men. > > You are making me testy. You are 35? Going into the work > force for the first time. You ARE old then.... > > > > We all have played devils > > advocate here so I dont think you can call the kettle > > black. > > Purple with green polka dots.... > > > > I think you've been in on the political > > discussions as well as I recall. I rather thought the > > discussion was refreshing. > > I was and the entire discussion was not refreshing. > > > What more is there to be said > > about AM? I haven't heard anything NEW in here in > > forever, just the same old same old. I tried to start > > something new concerning HD and AM but no one seemed > > interested in that! > > > There's nothing NEW about HD and AM. Here it is, HD > radio does not work on MW, just as DRM does not work on SW. > Sorry Amy Mousie, but DRM requires a strong and stable > signal with absolutely no interference at all and no strong > selective fades. HD will decode with skywave, but there can > NOT be any interference on either sideband. And the signal > needs to be smokin' strong to do so. > > > > > Can't blame me, I tried. I think > > at best what we need to be considering is HD because > like it > > or not it looks as though that is where things are > going. > > On AM or Medium wave it just doesn't work well. A lot > of DA's can't handle it. And the range is far less > than analog other than Tom Ray's magic WOR..... :) > > > > > > So shouldn't we start discussing stereo as it > relates to > > AM on HD? Yes of course we all love CQUAM and the > various > > analog stereo formats but they are simply not going to > be > > around much longer as much as we hate to admit. This > list > > deals > > more with the fact of STEREO than AM when you think > about > > it or we wouldn't be pushing stereo on AM. > Therefore > > it only seems befitting to be talking about the > > possibilities of STEREO AM HD. > > That's for the list owner to decide, if he'd ever > show up here. > > > I'm sure at some point > > they will figure the inherent problems out concerning > AM and > > HD. I think what needs to happen in order for all > that to > > work is that they need to rethink AM from the ground > up for > > digital. > > > Yes, it is called TURN OFF the analog. Go digital with the > SAME power that the analog station had. > > > > Now perhaps that could be worked out someway with > > HD or maybe it's that another digital scheme comes > along > > for AM. > > > Another scheme. We then have to start all over again. > > > Who knows. Theories need to be tossed around > > concerning this. Theres not nearly enough talk about > > digital AM. It may not be HD, as I said maybe > it's > > something that hasn't yet been developed. It does > seem > > though that talk in many areas is sliding over to FM. > You > > will see that increase I think as HD becomes more > common on > > FM because of the subchannels. > > No one is running secondaries here that are much different > than what we have now. I can't get WMYI's HD > because it is onl 192 watts. FM now has 1% of analog power. > Not enough. There is thought of going to 10% but that will > cause a lot of interference, and most all stations will have > to replace the entire HD transmitting plant.... from > transmitter to antenna. And really 10% is too low. > > > Who knows...we may lose the > > AM band as we know it altogether. Another > > issue that needs to be discussed is quality > programming > > and talent. Two things I already brought up in former > > posts. As far as currently available HD receivers it > seems > > to me that the Sangean is the best. Now there > .....theres > > yet another attempt at talking about stereo. > > The Sangean has been kicked off the top of the heap by the > new Sony. It's less expensive than the Sangean and is a > smoking HOT on FM, and better on AM than any other receiver > or tuner to date. I know of quite a few DX'ers getting > them for the DX'ing capability, not the HD part. And > when you cash in the rebate, it's about $40. > > > Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 12:39:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26616 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 19:39:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 19:39:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n33a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.214) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 19:39:26 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2008 19:39:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2008 19:39:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2008 19:39:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:39:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2B1ADE72-304D-4558-BE53-52D7F657DBE1@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.17.239 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=T1UdnynlNu7tqCwUsoSdy0B8osfEykPBisKYdK9A0fv3OEab X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter wrote: > >=20 > On Aug 9, 2008, at 1:36 PM, george russell wrote: >=20 > > Yeah, I've talked to Lenny on the phone, he is a very nice guy, and = =20 > > has fought tirelessly to get IBOC canned. Not just to promote CAM-=20 > > D, but because he honestly cares about the future well-being of AM. = =20 > > I wish his system would be voted the standard...bye-bye IBOC, ain't = =20 > > gonna miss ya! >=20 > Yup, that is true, but it was his endless lawsuits that all but killed = =20 > AM Stereo in the US. Lenny has also really pissed off the engineers at = =20 > several major stations such as Tom at WOR. A Corporate Engineer that=20=20 > hates your guts ain't gonna put your box on any of his transmitters! His asenine behaviour killed AM stereo in the original 1959-1961 testing phase. He was just as responsible for the '70s/'80s AMS situation by suing Motorola and threatening anyone else who didn't use his system. I'm sorry, but Kahn ain't no hero of AM stereo, other than the simple fact he was the FIRST to demonstrate AM stereo after Crosby demonstrated FM stereo in the early 1950s, which started the FCC's stereo broadcast investigations for stereophonic AM, FM and TV. (Only FM was ready.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ AMS historian From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 12:45:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39632 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 19:45:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 19:45:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.137) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 19:45:08 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2008 19:45:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2008 19:45:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2008 19:45:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:45:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <811955.35321.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.17.239 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=WxGGTnwOYprVyk_1qxZsI4xDIM9Ooc1rDb8KikxcNF0JH6aU X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Again, I've learned soemthing...I thought Motorola was the one that > cried foul when the FCC chose PMX. This forum is like a free history library! G=20 They and Harris did, yes- You were, and are still correct. It was AFTER that that Mr. Kahn started playing his games in that time period. (I could tell you who would've gotten the nod back in the early '60s, if it wasn't for Kahn's meddling!) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Aug 10 13:23:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91188 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 20:23:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 20:23:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 20:23:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c84.32bf2a21 (29673) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:23:35 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=LwD0eIoQTE9H2-8A7MpA6Y7pBTse-OKPN9lf_sixFo3zkD6wVbwJ2g9qpBGdfccP X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I prefer the term "unique programming" over local programming although the terms overlap about 95%. Local specifies where it is produced whereas unique requires it to be original, never broadcast before on any station, programs. For example, believe it or not, in a major market such as St. Louis in the drive times during the week, we have recycled programs. These are "Best of" local shows that never had best of's. News and current ad spots are clumsily inserted into this material. The problem with radio in general, and AM radio in particular, is similar to what happened to agriculture in the run-up to the Great Depression. The free market economics of Harding and Hoover dictated that if a farmer wanted to make more money, he needed to produce more to bring to market. So he did. As he began to overproduced, prices became to fall (for the farmer, not the consumer). To offset the drop in commody prices, he produced even more, causing prices to drop even further. The fragile grasslands of the American prairie were plowed to plant more crops and farmers depleted the furtility of their lands just keep their heads above water. In the meanwhile, the middlemen got rich. One by one, family farms went under as price they could get for their goods in the "free market" dropped below the cost of production. The banks that took over the farms didn't work them to produce anything. By the time the Great Depression hit, people were starving while farms went idle. A triumph of the so-called free market. What happened with radio was the opening of too much bandwidth. That is, too many stations with too much time to sell. Primarily, this was due FM coming of age. FM had been around since Armstrong's Yankee Network shortly after WWII, but the penetration of FM radios in cars was virtually non-existent until the mid to late 60s. Car listenship in the morning and evening drive times was the bread and butter of many stations. This impact didn't impact the larger station operations who mostly had AM and FM operations. Listener simply migrated from the AM outlet to the FM outlet and with them the ad revenue which stayed within the ownership. AM operations had provided the monies to subsidize a station's FM operation for years, so that only seemed fair. The stations that felt the pinch were the mid-size AM only independents, the WKRP kind of stations. These were full-service stations with large well-paid staffs and high costs. Like the farmers of the 20s, they just couldn't survive, and one by one they left the AM band like farmers were forced off their lands by economic forces beyond their control. Here in St. Louis, KWK 1380, a fulltime 5kW regional with a rich and once prosperous history, sat dark and dormant for well over a decade. The mid-sized stations that were once the backbone of the AM band were forced to cuts costs or be taken over by ownership that would. Cutting the sales and marketing staff was out the question as ad time became more and more difficult to sell. One couldn't ask the local utility to cut the cost of the electric power that fed the transmitter. Management certainly wouldn't cut its salaries. What was left? What was the biggest operating cost of all? Programming. News departments were cut or eliminated all together. On-air talent was reduced and "downgraded". Automation was brought in. The stations were "FM'ed" refering to the bare bones, revenue anemic, operations that once dominated the FM band before 1970. With this kind of operation came the low listenership associated with such operations as well. For example, a station could replace its morning drive team of two or three seasoned broadcast professionals with green "broadcast school" talent (if that's what you call it). Sure, the station might lose 10, 20, or even 30 percent of its audience, but the costs would be reduced by 70 or 80 percent. It's a good deal for the station. It's a bad deal for the public who must suffer with the on-air result. As this became ever more prevalent, AM lost its audience when station ownership began a race to the bottom which continues to this day excelarated by satellite fed programming. Turning this situation around would seem easier than how FDR turned around agriculture. Agriculture involved private land and individual non-regulated farming activity traditionally beyond government control. Radio is different matter. The airwave belong to the people and as such, broadcasting has been government regulated since its beginning. So unlike agriculture, the means is already there waiting to be used. The government has always set standards for broadcasting. The problem has been of late, meaning in the last 25 or so years, the regulation of the industry was effectively turned over to industry for the benefit of those who run it rather than the public they are mandated to serve. This needs to change. First, there needs to be 21st. Century technical standards for AM radio. To me, that means mandating the capabilities of current transmitters for frequency response, distortion, noise, and yes, CQUAM. Unless stations go HD only which would obsolete hundreds of millions of receivers, HD cannot deliver the coverage of conventional analog AM. But what about the mom and pops out there who cannot affort such equipment? I would say to them the same thing I would say to a nonbroadcaster who would like own a radio station but does not have the financial means to do so. That being, you don't have the means to operate a broadcast station and need to apply your talents and efforts elsewhere or contact our friend Sortiris. That would reduce the number of stations considerably in itself. Next I would consolidate coverage, not ownership, of the stations operating on clear channels. That is, instead of a dozen 1kW daytimers that only effectively cover 10% of an area of the country leaving the rest unusable, replace them with a much smaller much of 50kW Class II stations that can more effectively cover larger areas. At night, allocate 12 or so current U.S. clear channel frequencies to be served by superpower Class I stations with continental co-channel frequency protection. The idea is to raise the bar and the value of air time. If someone can't provide the quality high value programming to make these operations profitable, they're just not a player. There would still be the Class IV peanut whistles to locally serve small communities on Local allocated frequencies with limited protection and higher power Regional allocated frequencies to locally serve larger metropolitan areas. But what I say is let the big dogs run and set the pace for the others. In my youth (yes, Marconi had invented the radio by then) I had a choice living in small town. I could listen to the local station or the big clear channel stations like WLS. I could call up the local DJ who would most likely play my request or I could listen to John Landekker who was far more talented. Sometime I wanted one, sometimes the other. I had a choice. The important thing was the local DJ strived to be John Landekker. The was a standard, something to reached for. In my opinion, there is no reason to hear Sean Hannity across a dozen stations at night with nothing but clutter in between. That's a poor use of a public asset. When there are a large number of available CQUAM stations programmed with quality high value material, the manufacturers will once again make the radios, maybe even better ones. Satellite radio is in its death throes not because of the poor pentration of receivers which its ownership bemoans but because of the junk its programmed with. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Aug 10 13:26:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38791 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 20:26:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 20:26:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 20:26:06 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c16.44ef7fa3 (29673) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:25:48 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=7IMivYY1Yj4sb7h5vf5opKn2HN4eanv0wE_cLMIPs4dlpNZ1ctSdd5juxsuCIP1f X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps Lenny needs to attend "Charm School"? ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? 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(http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Aug 10 13:44:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69014 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 20:44:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 20:44:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 20:44:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 60043 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2008 20:44:52 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:44:52 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:44:52 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <327873.86804.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <540621.59873.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=yO0MIqGH4Ws7lg7std42JV5NNxj03SDMasYWswPib4_3Di3ZYTiC X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The key is in smaller market stations as to get a foot in.=A0 Theres no way= anyone can just jump into any of this entercom stuff up here in Greenville= .=A0 I already had an offer from a GM of a smaller but well rated station (= FM).=A0 The thing is I have to wait though because this person may be on th= e way out but i'm just not sure when.=A0 I know the person too but I think = he is going to move on and go for another degree.=A0 If he does than i'm pr= etty sure I have it.=A0 The thing though is that my former career was in st= udent affairs at the university level.=A0 I worked at a University in North= Carolina in student affairs.=A0 As of recent days I've considered returnin= g to my Masters work.=A0 I have 21 hours towards a masters degree and Maste= rs degrees in the field are around 30-40 credit hours.=A0 See I already hav= e=A0my Bachelors, two majors in fact, I graduated Clemson way back in 1999.= =A0 In one year (Jan 2007-May 2008) I earned another college degree (the broadcasting one), a certificate in digital production, a certificate in c= omputer technology, made the deans list, was inducted into the honors socie= ty, and served as my colleges student body president.=A0 All this in just o= ne year.=A0 That might show you the kind of drive I have to get things done= .=A0 Like I say though if the radio thing doesnt work then I can always go = back into student affairs and i'm looking at all those options on the table= .=A0 In my field the masters is the ticket to the kingdom and I already hav= e the experience to back it so i'm good with that field.=A0 Broadcasting th= ough is one of those things that I just always wanted to do.=A0 I grew up a= radio nut as a kid.=A0 I watch tv but its rare really.=A0 I am just so muc= h more a radio person that I always have one on, sometimes more than one tr= ying to catch various programs.=A0 I grew up running sound and recording as= well so I already had production skills.=A0 I understand what you are sayi= ng about ageism and I have always been against that.=A0 If I were hiring some= one for the job and there was a 21 year old and a 62 year old i'm going to = hire the one that I think can do the best job regardless of age.=A0 You kno= w I may have credentials and all but I think some people misunderstand me.= =A0 I have great respect for a good skills set.=A0 I'm the kinda person tha= t If I were in the hiring position i'd make the applicants show me what the= y can do.=A0 Have them produce something, maybe a test run to see if they'l= l make the fit.=A0 If a 62 year old man came in and knocked it out and knew= what he was doing, I'd hire him.=A0 I have no problem with that at all.=A0= If I were in that position and you were on the other end I'd hire you anyw= ay because I know you've been doing this stuff for a while and you know wha= t you're doing.=A0 Like I say, I may have credentials but I earned those th= ings because I wanted to.=A0 It was personal goals of my own.=A0 I care tho= ugh more about what someone can do.=A0 Someone else said it on here.....soemth= ing about knowing people that are degreed but don't have a clue.=A0 Sure i'= ve known several myself and theres no excuse for that.=A0 Thats their own f= ault that they are that dumb and didn't learn anything.=A0 I wouldn't hire = someone like that at all.=A0 If they walk in with some degree they better b= e able to show me something, show me what they can do!=A0 Now on to the rad= ios.....=A0=A0 The Sangean because although I play the devils advocate=A0I = still want CQUAM ability.=A0 Yes theres lots of older receivers that would = spec out better than the Sangean but the availabilty of parts or repair is = slimmer on something that old.=A0 At least with a newer one you have some r= epair options and parts available.=A0 Of course though I don't think anyone= repairs anything anymore since this is a throw away society.=A0 That just = furthers my reason to get a new one for fear of a used old one failing.=A0 = Like I say I may play advocate but I do that to get people to think.=A0 I still f= ervantly love the old CQUAM because I've heard it when it's done correctly = and it sounds quite good.=A0 The sad thing for me though is that there just= aren't any CQUAM stations around these parts.=A0 I figure though maybe it = would be interesting at night with distant stations.=A0 I've pulled in KCJJ= a few times on the town and country's radio at night which does quite well= .=A0 I was down at Myrtle here back in June and you bet I had WNMB on the w= hole time.=A0 I do everytime we go because we always stay in North Myrtle w= here my parents are members of a resort.=A0 Of course thats one thing I hav= ent though about until now.=A0 Hmmm I could use their RCI membership to pos= sibly stay in some resorts located near some of these AM Stereo stations!= =A0 Ha there just might be some stations near these resorts!=A0 Sometimes w= hen I go on vacation I'll pack a receiver and tape deck or MD deck and reco= rd off the air in other towns.=A0 Thats always fun.=A0 At any rate though I w= ould like to at some point pick up a newer tuner, one that included HD and = the CQUAM decoding.=A0 I'm just waiting though to see how this all pans out= .=A0 I usually wait a good while when new things come out before I jump on = the bandwagon with it.=A0 I feel we might see some better things come down = the line in another year or two.=A0 We'll just have to wait and see. =A0 --- On Sun, 8/10/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stere= o To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 11:54 AM NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 8/10/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > How you figured going into the work force for the first time > is beyond me, I worked my way through college.=20 There is big ageism in hiring. There are 21 year olds getting their degree.= No matter what you are at a severe disadvantage getting a job. If I had th= e abolutely best credentials, at almost 62 virtually NO one is going to eve= n look at me. THAT is what I am saying. Yes, it's bad, but true.=20 As for the Sangean, > if we are to follow our little list here and I believe you > wnated us to get back to AM Stereo then the sangean does > CQUAM, the Sony doesnt. So, just because of CQUAM you'd give up a stupendous tuner to get on that's= "JUST OK" ?? And there are FAR better analog tuners you can find used that= do CQUAM with better audio than the Sangean.=20 Powell =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Aug 10 13:46:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18292 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 20:46:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 20:46:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 20:46:05 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c05.4312c479 (29673) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:45:40 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Monster AM Loop Antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=b7yt1E4kCfOEh6ZiP1BYeDcQzJM_2lF4fygkYvp80s8oGDVoTX2FfNfrWOMiJstz X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a month or so, I will be relocating from my native St. Louis to a small town in LA (lower Arkansas). I was thinking of constructing a large AM rectangular loop antenna, perhaps 5 feet on each side, connected to an antenna rotator atop a short tower that was once used for TV yagi's. The town went cable years ago and obsoleted a ton of such assemblies which stand rusted and dormant. Anyone have any experience with these things? Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Aug 10 13:47:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42207 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 20:47:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 20:47:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 20:47:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 95088 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2008 20:47:22 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:47:21 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:47:21 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <352633.87831.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=pfHbwAoETMaQzu0pY0mDvQiq-cwZFSk9-tqWIc1GF4uvMPPi5ZsE X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now that is totally correct, if not textbook as far as all that history goe= s.=A0=20 =A0 =A0 --- On Sun, 8/10/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 4:23 PM I prefer the term "unique programming" over local programming although the= =20 terms overlap about 95%. Local specifies where it is produced whereas uniqu= e=20 requires it to be original, never broadcast before on any station, programs= . For example, believe it or not, in a major market such as St. Louis in the= =20 drive times during the week, we have recycled programs. These are "Best of"= =20 local shows that never had best of's. News and current ad spots are clumsil= y=20 inserted into this material. The problem with radio in general, and AM radio in particular, is similar t= o=20 what happened to agriculture in the run-up to the Great Depression. The fre= e=20 market economics of Harding and Hoover dictated that if a farmer wanted to= =20 make more money, he needed to produce more to bring to market. So he did. A= s he=20 began to overproduced, prices became to fall (for the farmer, not the=20 consumer). To offset the drop in commody prices, he produced even more, cau= sing=20 prices to drop even further. The fragile grasslands of the American prairie= =20 were plowed to plant more crops and farmers depleted the furtility of their= lands=20 just keep their heads above water. In the meanwhile, the middlemen got rich= .=20 One by one, family farms went under as price they could get for their goods= =20 in the "free market" dropped below the cost of production. The banks that=20 took over the farms didn't work them to produce anything. By the time the G= reat=20 Depression hit, people were starving while farms went idle. A triumph of th= e=20 so-called free market. What happened with radio was the opening of too much bandwidth. That is, to= o=20 many stations with too much time to sell. Primarily, this was due FM coming= =20 of age. FM had been around since Armstrong's Yankee Network shortly after=20 WWII, but the penetration of FM radios in cars was virtually non-existent u= ntil=20 the mid to late 60s. Car listenship in the morning and evening drive times = was=20 the bread and butter of many stations. This impact didn't impact the larger station operations who mostly had AM a= nd=20 FM operations. Listener simply migrated from the AM outlet to the FM outlet= =20 and with them the ad revenue which stayed within the ownership. AM operatio= ns=20 had provided the monies to subsidize a station's FM operation for years, so= =20 that only seemed fair. The stations that felt the pinch were the mid-size A= M=20 only independents, the WKRP kind of stations. These were full-service stati= ons=20 with large well-paid staffs and high costs. Like the farmers of the 20s,=20 they just couldn't survive, and one by one they left the AM band like farme= rs=20 were forced off their lands by economic forces beyond their control. Here i= n St.=20 Louis, KWK 1380, a fulltime 5kW regional with a rich and once prosperous=20 history, sat dark and dormant for well over a decade. The mid-sized stations that were once the backbone of the AM band were forc= ed=20 to cuts costs or be taken over by ownership that would. Cutting the sales=20 and marketing staff was out the question as ad time became more and more=20 difficult to sell. One couldn't ask the local utility to cut the cost of th= e=20 electric power that fed the transmitter. Management certainly wouldn't cut = its=20 salaries. What was left? What was the biggest operating cost of all?=20 Programming. News departments were cut or eliminated all together. On-air t= alent was=20 reduced and "downgraded" . Automation was brought in. The stations were "FM= 'ed"=20 refering to the bare bones, revenue anemic, operations that once dominated= =20 the FM band before 1970. With this kind of operation came the low listeners= hip=20 associated with such operations as well. For example, a station could replace its morning drive team of two or three= =20 seasoned broadcast professionals with green "broadcast school" talent (if=20 that's what you call it). Sure, the station might lose 10, 20, or even 30 p= ercent=20 of its audience, but the costs would be reduced by 70 or 80 percent. It's a= =20 good deal for the station. It's a bad deal for the public who must suffer w= ith=20 the on-air result. As this became ever more prevalent, AM lost its audience= =20 when station ownership began a race to the bottom which continues to this d= ay=20 excelarated by satellite fed programming. Turning this situation around would seem easier than how FDR turned around= =20 agriculture. Agriculture involved private land and individual non-regulated= =20 farming activity traditionally beyond government control. Radio is differen= t=20 matter. The airwave belong to the people and as such, broadcasting has been= =20 government regulated since its beginning. So unlike agriculture, the means = is=20 already there waiting to be used. The government has always set standards for broadcasting. The problem has=20 been of late, meaning in the last 25 or so years, the regulation of the ind= ustry=20 was effectively turned over to industry for the benefit of those who run it= =20 rather than the public they are mandated to serve. This needs to change. First, there needs to be 21st. Century technical standards for AM radio. To= =20 me, that means mandating the capabilities of current transmitters for=20 frequency response, distortion, noise, and yes, CQUAM. Unless stations go H= D only=20 which would obsolete hundreds of millions of receivers, HD cannot deliver t= he=20 coverage of conventional analog AM. But what about the mom and pops out there who cannot affort such equipment?= =20 I would say to them the same thing I would say to a nonbroadcaster who woul= d=20 like own a radio station but does not have the financial means to do so. Th= at=20 being, you don't have the means to operate a broadcast station and need to= =20 apply your talents and efforts elsewhere or contact our friend Sortiris. That would reduce the number of stations considerably in itself. Next I=20 would consolidate coverage, not ownership, of the stations operating on cle= ar=20 channels. That is, instead of a dozen 1kW daytimers that only effectively c= over=20 10% of an area of the country leaving the rest unusable, replace them with = a=20 much smaller much of 50kW Class II stations that can more effectively cover= =20 larger areas. At night, allocate 12 or so current U.S. clear channel freque= ncies=20 to be served by superpower Class I stations with continental co-channel=20 frequency protection. The idea is to raise the bar and the value of air time. If someone can't=20 provide the quality high value programming to make these operations profita= ble,=20 they're just not a player. There would still be the Class IV peanut whistle= s=20 to locally serve small communities on Local allocated frequencies with limi= ted=20 protection and higher power Regional allocated frequencies to locally serve= =20 larger metropolitan areas. But what I say is let the big dogs run and set the pace for the others. In= =20 my youth (yes, Marconi had invented the radio by then) I had a choice livin= g in=20 small town. I could listen to the local station or the big clear channel=20 stations like WLS. I could call up the local DJ who would most likely play = my=20 request or I could listen to John Landekker who was far more talented. Some= time=20 I wanted one, sometimes the other. I had a choice. The important thing was= =20 the local DJ strived to be John Landekker. The was a standard, something to= =20 reached for.=20 In my opinion, there is no reason to hear Sean Hannity across a dozen=20 stations at night with nothing but clutter in between. That's a poor use of= a public=20 asset. When there are a large number of available CQUAM stations programmed with=20 quality high value material, the manufacturers will once again make the rad= ios,=20 maybe even better ones. Satellite radio is in its death throes not because = of=20 the poor pentration of receivers which its ownership bemoans but because of= =20 the junk its programmed with. Mike ************ ** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your=20 budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos. aol.com/cars- BMW-128-2008/ expert-review? ncid=3Daolaut0005= 0 000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Aug 10 14:22:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16325 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 21:22:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 21:22:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 21:22:34 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so714901ywa.86 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:22:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.156.20 with SMTP id d20mr11053030ybe.220.1218403353876; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.109? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm2501826ywn.0.2008.08.10.14.22.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <811955.35321.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:22:22 -0400 References: <811955.35321.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=eQ5cBJzAEDXkZJfBnrDqlY551590NEkJCGZ_ELHLzffHcXlZV8Q06vUKlc4MIw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 10, 2008, at 3:18 PM, george russell wrote: > Again, I've learned soemthing...I thought Motorola was the one that > cried foul when the FCC chose PMX. Nope, Kahn sued when Motorola stole a patent of Kahn's then the FCC chose Motorola C-QUAM over Kahn ISB. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 15:13:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39340 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 22:13:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 22:13:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 22:13:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5877 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2008 22:13:41 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:13:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:13:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <491006.5746.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Monster AM Loop Antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=nl1PYYXnlcVUB0Uei-PBTqJ-L2-pFGgnpkpdEP2uyB8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 8/10/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a month or so, I will be relocating from my native St. > Louis to a small > town in LA (lower Arkansas). I was thinking of > constructing a large AM > rectangular loop antenna, perhaps 5 feet on each side, > connected to an antenna > rotator atop a short tower that was once used for TV > yagi's. The town went cable > years ago and obsoleted a ton of such assemblies which > stand rusted and dormant. > > Anyone have any experience with these things? > > Mike See Bruce Carter's LOOP ANTENNA page. He USED to be on this list. I am not sure if he's here now or not. Powell From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 16:07:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41928 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2008 23:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2008 23:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.243) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2008 23:07:15 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2008 23:07:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2008 23:07:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2008 23:07:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:07:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.17.239 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=zZa9hi4i-e66KvQ8uVLkffoTSV-rrj7PJvaatZmjWlcHKtkk X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Perhaps Lenny needs to attend "Charm School"? He's in his 80s- fat lot that'll do him now. :P He should've had that back in the '50s before provoking the ire of the SBE, NAB and FCC with his shenanigans the first time around. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 23:04:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49019 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2008 06:04:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2008 06:04:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.135) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 06:04:35 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n8.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2008 06:04:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2008 06:04:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2008 06:04:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:04:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.47 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=XRyIapC2WGoxVl3kXY3BSk_4IL8XfpJTZ5V8LGBVG82z-LOk_A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > His asenine behaviour killed AM stereo in the original 1959-1961 > testing phase. He was just as responsible for the '70s/'80s AMS > situation by suing Motorola and threatening anyone else who didn't=20 use > his system. I'm sorry, but Kahn ain't no hero of AM stereo, other=20 than > the simple fact he was the FIRST to demonstrate AM stereo after=20 Crosby > demonstrated FM stereo in the early 1950s, which started the FCC's > stereo broadcast investigations for stereophonic AM, FM and TV.=20 (Only > FM was ready.) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > AMS historian > I don't think Kahn was/is a hero but I don't agree with you about he=20 is the AM Stereo killer. Even more, I don't think AM Stereo is dead.=20 I think the radio is almost dead (not only the AM) but I think it is=20 not the Kahn's fault. If we could find some guilty about the specific AM history, I think,=20 at least, four: 1) The music royalties. I don't understand why the broadcasters=20 accepted the fact to pay to transmit music. What can a musician do=20 if his music isn't broadcasting? Radios don't have to pay. The=20 musician must to beg to be scheduled!!! Even more, Why a classical=20 music format radio must to pay for a work done by a dead man, like=20 Beethoven, Mozart, etc.? 2) The radio station owners without a good sense about the=20 programming. 3) The bad quality of the AM receivers and the extremely=20 passiveness, again, of the radio station owners (I never knew about=20 an structured global campaign to get a better quality, or some=20 public educational campaign to get the listeners bought only the=20 best pieces). 4) Some cryptic "vested interests" to privilege the FM against the=20 AM. This was from some AM radio station owners, too (at least in my=20 country). So, I think we cannot to blame Mr. Kahn, only. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 23:09:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75810 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2008 06:09:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2008 06:09:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.30) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 06:09:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2008 06:09:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2008 06:09:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:09:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <578900.12946.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.47 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Hterj2HaQunmfI8hJ2xxVTe_JakWpZSf-npX4Dbdek-C8D4fQw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > Face it, an AM channel is not very big, and can only hold so much.=20=20 By the time you digitize the audio, you have to compress the crap out=20 of it to make it fit in the channel. And we all know what high=20 compression/low bit-rate means...bad sound! G >=20 >=20 Amen!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 23:22:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76261 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2008 06:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2008 06:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 06:22:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26304 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2008 06:22:31 -0000 X-Received: from [72.241.177.103] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:22:31 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:22:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <844654.25521.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Early FM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=gZ5AZuqLmc6PeIcykmUpH8lDP4DUgNE7jmgBZcXN9TPjETlf63gFCyI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Amy Mousie: Was it Crosly-FM Stereo (like WLW's original owner) or Crosby-FM Stereo (like Bing), or somebody else? From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 02:29:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13630 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2008 09:29:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2008 09:29:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.115) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 09:29:44 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2008 09:29:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2008 09:29:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2008 09:29:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:29:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.17.239 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=4ow-QBH5EjBcSXyGCRnSMhnZ1W1Od7romRvVrgWGBzyiPe06 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 > wrote: > > > > His asenine behaviour killed AM stereo in the original 1959-1961 > > testing phase. He was just as responsible for the '70s/'80s AMS > > situation by suing Motorola and threatening anyone else who didn't=20 > use > > his system. I'm sorry, but Kahn ain't no hero of AM stereo, other=20 > than > > the simple fact he was the FIRST to demonstrate AM stereo after=20 > Crosby > > demonstrated FM stereo in the early 1950s, which started the FCC's > > stereo broadcast investigations for stereophonic AM, FM and TV.=20 > (Only > > FM was ready.) > >=20 > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > AMS historian > > >=20 > I don't think Kahn was/is a hero but I don't agree with you about he=20 > is the AM Stereo killer. Even more, I don't think AM Stereo is dead.=20 > I think the radio is almost dead (not only the AM) but I think it is=20 > not the Kahn's fault. I've actually read the reports from the time period. There was quite a bit of anger towards Kahn from the very people who were expected to report their findings on the AM stereo tests conducted at that time (1958-1961). It actually caused the competition between RCA, CBS, Westinghouse and several others, including Kahn, to be terminated and deemed not ready. (The stereo TV standards being proposed at the time actually WEREN'T ready, and concluded as such- Only FM stereo was ready.) We would've gotten the RCA AM-FM system, anyway, but because of Kahn's inability to be forthright about his system, the very broadcast engineers who were to make their recommendation scuttled the whole thing. I've read the report- I'll have to find it and post it. I also have CBS's technical paper on AMS, but it's far drier than the RCA report, which is currently in the Files section. Yes, it was really that bad. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 02:31:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20114 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2008 09:31:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2008 09:31:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.183) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 09:31:49 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2008 09:31:49 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2008 09:31:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2008 09:31:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:31:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <844654.25521.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.17.239 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Early FM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=GxDrGcmn1W2TLzwixvCDU_UpiU8Zu6XEMfKAURq64ltwZg4Y X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > Amy Mousie: > Was it Crosly-FM Stereo (like WLW's original owner) or Crosby-FM Stereo (like Bing), or somebody else? > Murray G. Crosby. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 14:37:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85347 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2008 21:37:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2008 21:37:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2008 21:37:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82902 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2008 21:37:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:37:02 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:37:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <217762.81941.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=jQtiMbTwtxp7pIUQAhLrOWTkVZf-B4qJ7DiuTq8N6pssDg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Mike, you hit a whole BOX of nails squarely on the head...AMEN! G --- On Sun, 8/10/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 4:23 PM > I prefer the term "unique programming" over local > programming although the > terms overlap about 95%. Local specifies where it is > produced whereas unique > requires it to be original, never broadcast before on any > station, programs. > > For example, believe it or not, in a major market such as > St. Louis in the > drive times during the week, we have recycled programs. > These are "Best of" > local shows that never had best of's. News and current > ad spots are clumsily > inserted into this material. > > The problem with radio in general, and AM radio in > particular, is similar to > what happened to agriculture in the run-up to the Great > Depression. The free > market economics of Harding and Hoover dictated that if a > farmer wanted to > make more money, he needed to produce more to bring to > market. So he did. As he > began to overproduced, prices became to fall (for the > farmer, not the > consumer). To offset the drop in commody prices, he > produced even more, causing > prices to drop even further. The fragile grasslands of > the American prairie > were plowed to plant more crops and farmers depleted the > furtility of their lands > just keep their heads above water. In the meanwhile, the > middlemen got rich. > One by one, family farms went under as price they could > get for their goods > in the "free market" dropped below the cost of > production. The banks that > took over the farms didn't work them to produce > anything. By the time the Great > Depression hit, people were starving while farms went idle. > A triumph of the > so-called free market. > > What happened with radio was the opening of too much > bandwidth. That is, too > many stations with too much time to sell. Primarily, this > was due FM coming > of age. FM had been around since Armstrong's Yankee > Network shortly after > WWII, but the penetration of FM radios in cars was > virtually non-existent until > the mid to late 60s. Car listenship in the morning and > evening drive times was > the bread and butter of many stations. > > This impact didn't impact the larger station operations > who mostly had AM and > FM operations. Listener simply migrated from the AM outlet > to the FM outlet > and with them the ad revenue which stayed within the > ownership. AM operations > had provided the monies to subsidize a station's FM > operation for years, so > that only seemed fair. The stations that felt the pinch > were the mid-size AM > only independents, the WKRP kind of stations. These were > full-service stations > with large well-paid staffs and high costs. Like the > farmers of the 20s, > they just couldn't survive, and one by one they left > the AM band like farmers > were forced off their lands by economic forces beyond their > control. Here in St. > Louis, KWK 1380, a fulltime 5kW regional with a rich and > once prosperous > history, sat dark and dormant for well over a decade. > > The mid-sized stations that were once the backbone of the > AM band were forced > to cuts costs or be taken over by ownership that would. > Cutting the sales > and marketing staff was out the question as ad time became > more and more > difficult to sell. One couldn't ask the local utility > to cut the cost of the > electric power that fed the transmitter. Management > certainly wouldn't cut its > salaries. What was left? What was the biggest operating > cost of all? > Programming. News departments were cut or eliminated all > together. On-air talent was > reduced and "downgraded". Automation was brought > in. The stations were "FM'ed" > refering to the bare bones, revenue anemic, operations that > once dominated > the FM band before 1970. With this kind of operation came > the low listenership > associated with such operations as well. > > For example, a station could replace its morning drive team > of two or three > seasoned broadcast professionals with green "broadcast > school" talent (if > that's what you call it). Sure, the station might lose > 10, 20, or even 30 percent > of its audience, but the costs would be reduced by 70 or 80 > percent. It's a > good deal for the station. It's a bad deal for the > public who must suffer with > the on-air result. As this became ever more prevalent, AM > lost its audience > when station ownership began a race to the bottom which > continues to this day > excelarated by satellite fed programming. > > Turning this situation around would seem easier than how > FDR turned around > agriculture. Agriculture involved private land and > individual non-regulated > farming activity traditionally beyond government control. > Radio is different > matter. The airwave belong to the people and as such, > broadcasting has been > government regulated since its beginning. So unlike > agriculture, the means is > already there waiting to be used. > > The government has always set standards for broadcasting. > The problem has > been of late, meaning in the last 25 or so years, the > regulation of the industry > was effectively turned over to industry for the benefit of > those who run it > rather than the public they are mandated to serve. This > needs to change. > > First, there needs to be 21st. Century technical standards > for AM radio. To > me, that means mandating the capabilities of current > transmitters for > frequency response, distortion, noise, and yes, CQUAM. > Unless stations go HD only > which would obsolete hundreds of millions of receivers, HD > cannot deliver the > coverage of conventional analog AM. > > But what about the mom and pops out there who cannot affort > such equipment? > I would say to them the same thing I would say to a > nonbroadcaster who would > like own a radio station but does not have the financial > means to do so. That > being, you don't have the means to operate a broadcast > station and need to > apply your talents and efforts elsewhere or contact our > friend Sortiris. > > That would reduce the number of stations considerably in > itself. Next I > would consolidate coverage, not ownership, of the stations > operating on clear > channels. That is, instead of a dozen 1kW daytimers that > only effectively cover > 10% of an area of the country leaving the rest unusable, > replace them with a > much smaller much of 50kW Class II stations that can more > effectively cover > larger areas. At night, allocate 12 or so current U.S. > clear channel frequencies > to be served by superpower Class I stations with > continental co-channel > frequency protection. > > The idea is to raise the bar and the value of air time. If > someone can't > provide the quality high value programming to make these > operations profitable, > they're just not a player. There would still be the > Class IV peanut whistles > to locally serve small communities on Local allocated > frequencies with limited > protection and higher power Regional allocated frequencies > to locally serve > larger metropolitan areas. > > But what I say is let the big dogs run and set the pace for > the others. In > my youth (yes, Marconi had invented the radio by then) I > had a choice living in > small town. I could listen to the local station or the big > clear channel > stations like WLS. I could call up the local DJ who would > most likely play my > request or I could listen to John Landekker who was far > more talented. Sometime > I wanted one, sometimes the other. I had a choice. The > important thing was > the local DJ strived to be John Landekker. The was a > standard, something to > reached for. > > In my opinion, there is no reason to hear Sean Hannity > across a dozen > stations at night with nothing but clutter in between. > That's a poor use of a public > asset. > > When there are a large number of available CQUAM stations > programmed with > quality high value material, the manufacturers will once > again make the radios, > maybe even better ones. Satellite radio is in its death > throes not because of > the poor pentration of receivers which its ownership > bemoans but because of > the junk its programmed with. > > Mike > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Aug 11 19:00:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42213 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 02:00:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 02:00:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 02:00:17 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.d21.358c401f (42807) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:00:11 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=wyLvgwStjDlL4rsHbtccKqPpoHQgMQKuh0mR-x-xBfWVTaKs7CQE2YGMu3fJqSGB X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/11/08 4:37:17 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Mike, you hit a whole BOX of nails squarely on the head...AMEN! G > Maybe Barack will appointment me chair of the FCC. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Aug 11 19:52:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69386 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 02:52:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 02:52:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 02:52:54 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.cb3.3b4436c0 (14501) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:52:41 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Where do stations get the music they play? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=h9p3xI3TUCoegrJ9nmLHNjmAkcpCKZU9pO7PPc6zlOUcbjG6_Wj8h1KG7seoysQJ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not having been in broadcasting since Nixon was in the White House, can anyone tell me how broadcast stations get the music they play? I mean the media and in what form. In the old days, 45s and LPs came in the mail from the record companies at the college station. In real radio, they were hand delivered by a guy who looked like he cornered the market on Brylcream and combed his hair with a butterknife. Just wondering. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 22:20:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36314 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 05:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 05:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.133) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 05:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n6.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 05:20:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 05:20:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 05:20:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:20:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.108 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Where do stations get the music they play? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=rAuods3BRVnrz6qLK1w_67WmMym2sv8nBQE2OwIrk9YYXmcVUA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Not having been in broadcasting since Nixon was in the White=20 House, can=20 > anyone tell me how broadcast stations get the music they play? I=20 mean the media=20 > and in what form. >=20 > In the old days, 45s and LPs came in the mail from the record=20 companies at=20 > the college station. In real radio, they were hand delivered by a=20 guy who=20 > looked like he cornered the market on Brylcream and combed his=20 hair with a=20 > butterknife. >=20 > Just wondering. >=20 > Mike >=20 In Chile (South America) is still the old days way (the record=20 companies send some material to the legal radio stations). But there=20 is a lot of pirate music in the air, too. This is because most of=20 material, which listeners want to hear, isn't promoted by the record=20 companies (the management people is often a very good troop of...=20 stupids, you know). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 22:25:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10505 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 05:25:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 05:25:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.216) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 05:25:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 05:25:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 05:25:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:25:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.108 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ISB and C-QUAM at the same time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=JhMF__iublP6k8v101Sl5fZaaxzqtJUNH_oN8wjcUYU-UtxPqw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > I've actually read the reports from the time period. There was=20 quite a > bit of anger towards Kahn from the very people who were expected to > report their findings on the AM stereo tests conducted at that time > (1958-1961). It actually caused the competition between RCA, CBS, > Westinghouse and several others, including Kahn, to be terminated=20 and > deemed not ready. (The stereo TV standards being proposed at the=20 time > actually WEREN'T ready, and concluded as such- Only FM stereo was=20 ready.) >=20 > We would've gotten the RCA AM-FM system, anyway, but because of=20 Kahn's > inability to be forthright about his system, the very broadcast > engineers who were to make their recommendation scuttled the whole > thing. I've read the report- I'll have to find it and post it. I=20 also > have CBS's technical paper on AMS, but it's far drier than the RCA > report, which is currently in the Files section. >=20 > Yes, it was really that bad. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Well, I don't want to discuss with you about it because I don't=20 think any discussion about the past can solve the today AM problems. I just want to insist in the beautiful music programming as the best=20 solution. Stereo music with 10 kHz audio bandwidth receivers, of=20 course. What about the 4 channel idea? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 12 04:31:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86299 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 11:31:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 11:31:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 11:31:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 52060 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2008 11:31:10 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:31:10 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:31:10 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <669310.51676.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=eS9H-vU-4M2zdUKI5B_GZ8Wa-tkcW3lcNTR5JU_W__Ltw3hvzWZT X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well up through 90s they came in on CDs.=A0 Nowadays increasingly things ar= e done over the internet since most businesses now have blazing fast intern= et.=A0 Business internet speed is different from home cable.=A0 Cable may b= e fast but the up and down speed is different.=A0 In businesses theres spee= d that is equal up and down meaning if say the speed was 10 megabytes per s= econd download its that same speed upload.=A0 At home with cable its differ= ent.=A0 You buy say 5 meg download per second but your upload speed is only= around 256 kilobyte.=A0 The business and corporate internet is quite fast,= most likely much faster in most than my example.=A0 These days all music i= s posted on a hard drive so it makes sense to send them internet.=A0 It's a= lso quick to get a brand new song out nationally, it's almost instant.=A0 T= he last time I checked most stations I knew of were using 320 kbps MP2 file= s.=A0 Yeah I said MP2.=A0 MP3 is more popular with the kids and all but the= MP2 standard is still a more broadcast standard.=A0 Heres a basic wikipedia ex= planation of MP2: =A0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-1_Audio_Layer_II =A0 Hope that helps.=A0 Things do change fast in the industry, sometimes almost= overnight.=A0 Newer coding methods are being investigated and rolled out a= ll the time.=A0 Of course anyone could theoretically use any format they wa= nted.=A0 These days if you hear a record playing on the radio, even with th= e crackles and pops, it still may be a computer file.=A0 Someone may have j= ust direct transferred it without that crackle and pop cleanup that some pr= ograms will do.=A0 The problem with some of those programs is that sometime= s they mute out some of the music if the crackle and pop is too bad on a re= cord.=A0 I heard Bill playing a song the other week on WNMB and it had some= crackles and pops and I couldn't help but wonder if it was a real turntabl= e playing or if he had put it into the system as an MP2 or something.=A0 I = think he has a turntable though in the studio.=A0 At any rate radio is stil= l fun, just different technology.=A0 Many of us miss the old records or CD'= s being played but when it gets down to it its the music.=A0 You have to adm= it theres some good rock and roll music thats been put out since the 1950's= !=A0 The fun is all in the music! =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Mon, 8/11/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 10:52 PM Not having been in broadcasting since Nixon was in the White House, can=20 anyone tell me how broadcast stations get the music they play? I mean the m= edia=20 and in what form. In the old days, 45s and LPs came in the mail from the record companies at= =20 the college station. In real radio, they were hand delivered by a guy who=20 looked like he cornered the market on Brylcream and combed his hair with a= =20 butterknife. Just wondering. Mike ************ ** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your=20 budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos. aol.com/cars- BMW-128-2008/ expert-review? ncid=3Daolaut0005= 0 000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 12 04:37:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1063 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 11:37:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 11:37:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 11:37:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 79947 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2008 11:37:37 -0000 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:37:37 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:37:37 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <669310.51676.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <325153.79854.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=QIZn-hWgq1kFB0c-67iSXW1XMLnG0YK0VLEm6t1X3QVrTISkkV08 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another note on that.=A0 I can't remember which companies the stations buy = the music through for download but theyre are different companies than the = ones consumers use.=A0=20 =A0 =A0 --- On Tue, 8/12/08, clemsonbloke wrote: From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 7:31 AM Well up through 90s they came in on CDs.=A0 Nowadays increasingly things ar= e done over the internet since most businesses now have blazing fast intern= et.=A0 Business internet speed is different from home cable.=A0 Cable may b= e fast but the up and down speed is different.=A0 In businesses theres spee= d that is equal up and down meaning if say the speed was 10 megabytes per s= econd download its that same speed upload.=A0 At home with cable its differ= ent.=A0 You buy say 5 meg download per second but your upload speed is only= around 256 kilobyte.=A0 The business and corporate internet is quite fast,= most likely much faster in most than my example.=A0 These days all music i= s posted on a hard drive so it makes sense to send them internet.=A0 It's a= lso quick to get a brand new song out nationally, it's almost instant.=A0 T= he last time I checked most stations I knew of were using 320 kbps MP2 file= s.=A0 Yeah I said MP2.=A0 MP3 is more popular with the kids and all but the= MP2 standard is still a more broadcast standard.=A0 Heres a basic wikipedia exp= lanation of MP2: =A0 http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ MPEG-1_Audio_ Layer_II =A0 Hope that helps.=A0 Things do change fast in the industry, sometimes almost= overnight.=A0 Newer coding methods are being investigated and rolled out a= ll the time.=A0 Of course anyone could theoretically use any format they wa= nted.=A0 These days if you hear a record playing on the radio, even with th= e crackles and pops, it still may be a computer file.=A0 Someone may have j= ust direct transferred it without that crackle and pop cleanup that some pr= ograms will do.=A0 The problem with some of those programs is that sometime= s they mute out some of the music if the crackle and pop is too bad on a re= cord.=A0 I heard Bill playing a song the other week on WNMB and it had some= crackles and pops and I couldn't help but wonder if it was a real turntabl= e playing or if he had put it into the system as an MP2 or something.=A0 I = think he has a turntable though in the studio.=A0 At any rate radio is stil= l fun, just different technology.=A0 Many of us miss the old records or CD'= s being played but when it gets down to it its the music.=A0 You have to admi= t theres some good rock and roll music thats been put out since the 1950's!= =A0 The fun is all in the music! =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Mon, 8/11/08, mjgrant@aol. com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol. com Subject: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 10:52 PM Not having been in broadcasting since Nixon was in the White House, can=20 anyone tell me how broadcast stations get the music they play? I mean the m= edia=20 and in what form. In the old days, 45s and LPs came in the mail from the record companies at= =20 the college station. In real radio, they were hand delivered by a guy who=20 looked like he cornered the market on Brylcream and combed his hair with a= =20 butterknife. Just wondering. Mike ************ ** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your=20 budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos. aol.com/cars- BMW-128-2008/ expert-review? ncid=3Daolaut0005= 0 000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 07:05:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33522 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 14:05:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 14:05:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 14:05:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22760 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2008 14:05:07 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.141] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:05:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:05:07 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <325153.79854.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <512856.22286.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=_YMwtXTio6lrnrtezYGF3n2k_fPsLgJ1T9W3LIIW2pM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW We get a weekly CD from our music service. It covers all formats, so maybe one to 3 cuts are ok. Let's say this. Any modern FM station that uses MP2 format is asking for trouble. There is simply NO need and NO excuse for doing so. It will cause problems as analog STL's are going away or have already done so. You want everything to be linear audio, and that's the way it needs to be delivered. Multiple digital encoding and decoding streams in your broadcast plant is a recipe for disaster. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Aug 12 09:51:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1782 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 16:51:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 16:51:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 16:51:24 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c7a.3d9f2286 (48552) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:51:18 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=AtLQs11X3bU7z4XRvgqqIPOzbwujs4Tx19zCDdDDIM0cvCiuiJ5GuGRW7qBC8tCF X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Powell, Are the CD's from your music service regular analog or digital files in some kind of format? Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 10:08:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39523 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 17:08:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 17:08:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 17:08:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73694 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2008 17:08:08 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:08:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:08:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <462725.72877.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=62vV23diGTbfJZPDhb3cvk_KualVdJbTV9tQ67vQUxs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW comments below quoted --- On Tue, 8/12/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: , August 12, 2008, 12:51 PM > Powell, > > Are the CD's from your music service regular analog or > digital files in some kind of format? > Regular CD's. Will play in CD player. Everything on a CD is digital.... you mean compressed.... well not compressed. Powell From w6yn@juno.com Tue Aug 12 10:51:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67494 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 17:51:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 17:51:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 17:51:14 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail07.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.147]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABELDVM8AVL5EGJ for (sender ); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:50:54 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD5vSDm9stFsOyJI591Z5GsA= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail07.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NSEPPB89; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:50:06 PDT X-Received: from [99.132.113.29] by webmail07.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:48:56 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:48:56 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080812.104856.18951.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 11:5:2321156165 X-MAIL-INFO:2d6f7b3b5ad30777971a637b9f13dfcaf763fafacb737a97cb8a X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.147|webmail07.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=kC744eKAq-GW27SVcKL66JAViwBMAvDWR5sWH-e-Pg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Democratic Party Tells Hillary Delegates: SHUT UP OR ELSE Clinton supporters being subjected to a form of "Fairness Doctrine." E-mail challenges Clinton backer; she wonders where free speech went By Allison Sherry The Denver Post Article Last Updated: 08/12/2008 06:14:09 AM MDT Sacha Millstone of Boulder has hired a lawyer after a Democratic Party e-ma= il ordered her to come to headquarters and explain disparaging remarks she = made about Barack Obama. A Clinton supporter, she hired an attorney who wro= te the party asking for the rules that allow the party to threaten a person= 's removal from the state delegation. Party officials say the issue has bee= n dropped. (RJ Sangosti, file photo ) The Colorado Democratic Party would like Boulder delegate Sacha Millstone, = who is devoted to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, to give up her spot as a del= egate to the Democratic National Convention. Party officials said Monday that they won't insist Millstone resign. But in= an e-mail last week, Billy Compton, state political director of the Colora= do Democratic Party, ordered Millstone into his office to explain disparagi= ng comments she made about Barack Obama. Compton said the party had received a complaint about Millstone from anothe= r delegate. "You are hereby directed to come in to the party Headquarters and explain y= our comments and why you should remain a national delegate to the 2008 Demo= cratic National Convention in light of these comments," the letter said. Millstone, who has hired a lawyer, was infuriated. "Isn't there a right to free speech? Isn't this right in line with our time= -honored tradition with the Dems?" she said. "These intimidation tactics ha= ve a chilling effect on people feeling comfortable speaking up." Millstone's lawyer wrote Compton asking for the rules that allow the party = to threaten removal from the state delegation. State party officials said Monday that the issue has been dropped. "We wanted to explore with Ms. Millstone the possibility of her voluntarily= resigning her position," Compton said. "I simply wanted to discuss the mat= ter with her." This week's back and forth underscores the escalating tension across the co= untry among Clinton delegates. Most loyal to Clinton say they simply want their vote for her to count at t= he convention, and then they'll get behind Obama before his acceptance spee= ch at Invesco Field on Aug. 28. "It's inevitable within a party of this size that there will be different v= iews about the merits of the candidates that the parties put forward," said= Daniel Kagan, a delegate representing Denver. Kagan, who is circulating a petition among delegates nationally to get Clin= ton's name on the convention ballot, said it's "autocratic" of the party to= force support of one candidate. "It's ludicrously overambitious and an unattractive goal," he said. Though Clinton could agree for her name to appear on the ballot, party insi= ders say that is unlikely. A delegate from Wisconsin, Debra Bartoshevich, was kicked off her state's d= elegation after she vowed to support Republican presidential front runner S= en. John McCain when Clinton suspended her campaign. Natalie Wyeth, a spokeswoman for the Democratic National Convention Committ= ee, said she was unaware of any other such cases. Obama campaign spokeswoman Shannon Gilson issued a statement Monday saying = it was the campaign's "priority to ensure Ms. Millstone's delegate status w= as not in jeopardy." State Democratic Party chair Pat Waak, who said it would be nice to have a = united delegation when 50,000 conventioneers arrive in Colorado, called the= Millstone matter "moot." "We're getting too near the convention, and she's refused to come in," Waak= said. Any effort to intimidate Clinton supporters won't work, at least not on at-= large Clinton delegate Sonya Jaquez Lewis, who lives in unincorporated Boul= der County. "It makes me angry," Jaquez Lewis said. "It makes me want to now really be = even louder about issues and concerns that before I was willing to look the= other way." Allison Sherry: 303-954-1377 or asherry@denverpost.com From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Aug 12 10:59:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22250 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 17:59:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 17:59:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s15.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.215) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 17:59:28 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W11 ([64.4.19.111]) by bay0-omc3-s15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:58:35 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:58:34 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20080812.104856.18951.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> References: <20080812.104856.18951.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2008 17:58:35.0044 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A2ACE40:01C8FCA5] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=59QcD5rrHnwL6kUktpB6U8OZOJSZwSlDAljLCmMdpiihwp4LiiD- X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to ask...What the H**L does this have to do with AM Stereo in any way, shape, form or fashion? MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: w6yn@juno.comDate: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:48:56 +0000Subject: {AMSF} Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE Democratic Party Tells Hillary Delegates: SHUT UP OR ELSEClinton supporters being subjected to a form of "Fairness Doctrine."E-mail challenges Clinton backer; she wonders where free speech wentBy Allison SherryThe Denver PostArticle Last Updated: 08/12/2008 06:14:09 AM MDTSacha Millstone of Boulder has hired a lawyer after a Democratic Party e-mail ordered her to come to headquarters and explain disparaging remarks she made about Barack Obama. A Clinton supporter, she hired an attorney who wrote the party asking for the rules that allow the party to threaten a person's removal from the state delegation. Party officials say the issue has been dropped. (RJ Sangosti, file photo )The Colorado Democratic Party would like Boulder delegate Sacha Millstone, who is devoted to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, to give up her spot as a delegate to the Democratic National Convention.Party officials said Monday that they won't insist Millstone resign. But in an e-mail last week, Billy Compton, state political director of the Colorado Democratic Party, ordered Millstone into his office to explain disparaging comments she made about Barack Obama.Compton said the party had received a complaint about Millstone from another delegate."You are hereby directed to come in to the party Headquarters and explain your comments and why you should remain a national delegate to the 2008 Democratic National Convention in light of these comments," the letter said.Millstone, who has hired a lawyer, was infuriated."Isn't there a right to free speech? Isn't this right in line with our time-honored tradition with the Dems?" she said. "These intimidation tactics have a chilling effect on people feeling comfortable speaking up."Millstone's lawyer wrote Compton asking for the rules that allow the party to threaten removal from the state delegation.State party officials said Monday that the issue has been dropped."We wanted to explore with Ms. Millstone the possibility of her voluntarily resigning her position," Compton said. "I simply wanted to discuss the matter with her."This week's back and forth underscores the escalating tension across the country among Clinton delegates.Most loyal to Clinton say they simply want their vote for her to count at the convention, and then they'll get behind Obama before his acceptance speech at Invesco Field on Aug. 28."It's inevitable within a party of this size that there will be different views about the merits of the candidates that the parties put forward," said Daniel Kagan, a delegate representing Denver.Kagan, who is circulating a petition among delegates nationally to get Clinton's name on the convention ballot, said it's "autocratic" of the party to force support of one candidate."It's ludicrously overambitious and an unattractive goal," he said.Though Clinton could agree for her name to appear on the ballot, party insiders say that is unlikely.A delegate from Wisconsin, Debra Bartoshevich, was kicked off her state's delegation after she vowed to support Republican presidential front runner Sen. John McCain when Clinton suspended her campaign.Natalie Wyeth, a spokeswoman for the Democratic National Convention Committee, said she was unaware of any other such cases.Obama campaign spokeswoman Shannon Gilson issued a statement Monday saying it was the campaign's "priority to ensure Ms. Millstone's delegate status was not in jeopardy."State Democratic Party chair Pat Waak, who said it would be nice to have a united delegation when 50,000 conventioneers arrive in Colorado, called the Millstone matter "moot.""We're getting too near the convention, and she's refused to come in," Waak said.Any effort to intimidate Clinton supporters won't work, at least not on at-large Clinton delegate Sonya Jaquez Lewis, who lives in unincorporated Boulder County."It makes me angry," Jaquez Lewis said. "It makes me want to now really be even louder about issues and concerns that before I was willing to look the other way."Allison Sherry: 303-954-1377 or asherry@denverpost.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 11:07:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48202 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 18:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 18:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n59.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.43) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 18:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n59.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 18:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 18:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.251] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 18:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 18:07:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 495983.15748.bm@omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 52388 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 18:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@72.161.197.211 with plain) by smtp126.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 18:07:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: I.RpGVUVM1lvmQyC.TZiMcvBgY2pL_Hw0iDAajz8SjQieCFU00morgfWeiYYRK877ZrTezo9p9ZD7HJoADDl3jL8oGh9RqQhwgQYQ4thbuieln2_MAoK0jrrAgO426DqMw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20080812.104856.18951.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> References: <20080812.104856.18951.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <69A3A766-06EB-4BE5-B9AB-373EFF98FCF4@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:07:30 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=-noAhzlobxuKfftmHituCR1NIilY1_vaUB5i4o7MKW9Vn8ELJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 12, 2008, at 5:48 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Kagan, who is circulating a petition among delegates nationally to > get Clinton's name on the convention ballot, said it's "autocratic" > of the party to force support of one candidate. Generally the GOP and the Dems both do this. They look for unanimity. There is no surprise here. Kevin Adamsville, TN From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 11:21:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96164 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 18:21:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 18:21:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 18:21:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42914 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2008 18:21:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:21:52 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:21:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <342705.42523.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=JpHWakmgn2fAwR57vFLYrLg3aVEoQY9XZWoopMITXWs86Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Well, you would a be big improvement over the one we have now, and a HELL of an improvement over the one before that! Michael Powell was so in the pockets of big radio, it was sickening. He once said "The purpose of the FCC is to protect the interests of the broadcasters"...WHAT?!? G --- On Mon, 8/11/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 10:00 PM > In a message dated 8/11/08 4:37:17 PM Central Daylight Time, > > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Mike, you hit a whole BOX of nails squarely on the > head...AMEN! G > > > Maybe Barack will appointment me chair of the FCC. > > Mike > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 11:24:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78564 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 18:24:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 18:24:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 18:24:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96285 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2008 18:24:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:24:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:24:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <576957.95990.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=veHebIbdfbj_kIYDEgRGiVxfRBW7QUU4DOaafJbwqZrMhg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I remember the Brylcream guy...he's the same one that delivered certain presidential portraits and powdered substances to the PDs and DJs, and I believe a refrigerator you mentioned before. :>) G --- On Mon, 8/11/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 10:52 PM > Not having been in broadcasting since Nixon was in the White > House, can > anyone tell me how broadcast stations get the music they > play? I mean the media > and in what form. > > In the old days, 45s and LPs came in the mail from the > record companies at > the college station. In real radio, they were hand > delivered by a guy who > looked like he cornered the market on Brylcream and combed > his hair with a > butterknife. > > Just wondering. > > Mike > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 11:27:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89320 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 18:27:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 18:27:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 18:27:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2174 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2008 18:27:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:27:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:27:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <669310.51676.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <863896.1957.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=FYAkpza8M2lS8qnJD4lE4-qYP21NooSvuf_epN_STUBg7A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yeah, but I still miss backing up the old QRKs...and seeing how long I coul= d do it before the cue burns got out of hand! :>) G --- On Tue, 8/12/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 7:31 AM > Well up through 90s they came in on CDs.=A0 Nowadays > increasingly things are done over the internet since most > businesses now have blazing fast internet.=A0 Business > internet speed is different from home cable.=A0 Cable may be > fast but the up and down speed is different.=A0 In businesses > theres speed that is equal up and down meaning if say the > speed was 10 megabytes per second download its that same > speed upload.=A0 At home with cable its different.=A0 You buy > say 5 meg download per second but your upload speed is only > around 256 kilobyte.=A0 The business and corporate internet > is quite fast, most likely much faster in most than my > example.=A0 These days all music is posted on a hard drive so > it makes sense to send them internet.=A0 It's also quick > to get a brand new song out nationally, it's almost > instant.=A0 The last time I checked most stations I knew of > were using 320 kbps MP2 files.=A0 Yeah I said MP2.=A0 MP3 is > more popular with the kids and all but the MP2 > standard is still a more broadcast standard.=A0 Heres a > basic wikipedia explanation of MP2: > =A0 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-1_Audio_Layer_II > =A0 > Hope that helps.=A0 Things do change fast in the industry, > sometimes almost overnight.=A0 Newer coding methods are being > investigated and rolled out all the time.=A0 Of course anyone > could theoretically use any format they wanted.=A0 These days > if you hear a record playing on the radio, even with the > crackles and pops, it still may be a computer file.=A0 > Someone may have just direct transferred it without that > crackle and pop cleanup that some programs will do.=A0 The > problem with some of those programs is that sometimes they > mute out some of the music if the crackle and pop is too bad > on a record.=A0 I heard Bill playing a song the other week on > WNMB and it had some crackles and pops and I couldn't > help but wonder if it was a real turntable playing or if he > had put it into the system as an MP2 or something.=A0 I think > he has a turntable though in the studio.=A0 At any rate radio > is still fun, just different technology.=A0 Many of us miss > the old records or CD's > being played but when it gets down to it its the music.=A0 > You have to admit theres some good rock and roll music thats > been put out since the 1950's!=A0 The fun is all in the > music! > =A0 > -Kevin > =A0 >=20 >=20 > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, mjgrant@aol.com > wrote: >=20 > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 10:52 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Not having been in broadcasting since Nixon was in the > White House, can=20 > anyone tell me how broadcast stations get the music they > play? I mean the media=20 > and in what form. >=20 > In the old days, 45s and LPs came in the mail from the > record companies at=20 > the college station. In real radio, they were hand > delivered by a guy who=20 > looked like he cornered the market on Brylcream and combed > his hair with a=20 > butterknife. >=20 > Just wondering. >=20 > Mike >=20 > ************ ** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your=20 > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. >=20 > (http://autos. aol.com/cars- BMW-128-2008/ expert-review? > ncid=3Daolaut00050 000000017 ) >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 11:28:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15644 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 18:28:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 18:28:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.220) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 18:28:08 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 18:28:03 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.69] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 18:28:08 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 18:28:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 544070.45909.bm@omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 36276 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 18:28:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@72.161.197.211 with plain) by smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 18:28:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bPntyysVM1kxM0mdogwhq5DKtWNoaIvcEo0yap_bym_3DMeCJqqAdlH7_PjjyUQkSVLbVgJP9GyDdVDMzKad592sReLI1qtfayKek6Wi.TxZC4yoP0qGS7c35eUVEbNW6g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <342705.42523.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <342705.42523.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:28:06 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=PgHJ1jW5X6kOg4cazlpdebEt_-yiUUCX5gL75uXEfhmsMdzIDA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 12, 2008, at 1:21 PM, george russell wrote: > He once said "The purpose of the FCC is to protect the interests of > the broadcasters"...WHAT?!? The Public Airwaves.... what were WE thinking? Kevin Adamsville, TN From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 11:34:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88115 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 18:34:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 18:34:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 18:34:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4365 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2008 18:34:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:34:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:34:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <927086.4186.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=J9iJMZPaKnX_VpQVW5zcqphVojwctapwgznY0OHNJIEGqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes, I'm sure there's no truth to the rumor that when Michael passes away, he want's his ashes distributed through the air ducts at Clear Channel! G --- On Tue, 8/12/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 2:28 PM > On Aug 12, 2008, at 1:21 PM, george russell wrote: > > > He once said "The purpose of the FCC is to > protect the interests of > > the broadcasters"...WHAT?!? > > The Public Airwaves.... what were WE thinking? > > Kevin > Adamsville, TN From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 11:45:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79697 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 18:44:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 18:44:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 18:44:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42325 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2008 18:44:57 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:44:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:44:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <342705.42523.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <915282.41954.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=SBtuWT5qHRPcoL2evZDhy4fw_4djkAHFr0pRJ-5dBvw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Michael Powell was appointed to the FCC by Bill Clinton! Powell.... the REAL one! NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/12/08, george russell wrote: >> Well, you would a be big improvement over the one we have > now, > and a HELL of an improvement over the one before that! > Michael Powell was so in the pockets of big radio, it was > sickening. > He once said "The purpose of the FCC is to protect the > interests of the broadcasters"...WHAT?!? G From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Aug 12 12:06:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41450 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 19:06:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 19:06:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 19:06:51 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.d0f.353a4a77 (30738) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:06:37 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=VfB3trUvVSRS2dk2Eo2FSrPqcmY3P8HteOQHE5mY5AIuSK4pZvZhlyPwgciaLCVd X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/12/08 12:59:49 PM Central Daylight Time, mtgc@hotmail.com writes: > I have to ask...What the H**L does this have to do with AM Stereo in any > way, shape, form or fashion? It's a Republican scam by, ironically, Clinton haters who have preached for years that Hillary is either the Anti-Christ or the Whore of Babylon. How it relates to AM Stereo is that it is intended to put the Republicans back in power so they can sell the rights to the U.S. airwaves to China. We all know how "quality conscious" China is and their rigorous standards. By 2010, AM broadcasting would make an Edison wax cylinder sound like Dolby Surround 5.1. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Aug 12 12:12:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47328 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 19:12:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 19:12:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 19:12:35 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.bd1.389e1d8b (30738) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:12:26 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=YKzgZQW11-IStr6V2o2h4ZRsBvV9avXfn70gtWuoWupjj1u0WDZyaBsuxlbX-b7S X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/12/08 1:07:59 PM Central Daylight Time, big_h00pla@yahoo.com writes: > Generally the GOP and the Dems both do this. They look for unanimity. > > There is no surprise here. > > Kevin > Adamsville, TN > Keven, Are you and brother Al the only rational folks left in the Volunteer State? Can we get back to figuring out how to make WSM and WLAC go AM Stereo? Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Aug 12 12:20:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40649 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 19:20:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 19:20:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 19:20:39 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c7d.312d10c3 (30738) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:20:26 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=4TixvFN0H-nqUjJKhpcGbNO_SpnMTzzTtiqU_csz0GmjBRT__-P_QBiAblFU_mzc X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Say what you want about Michael Powell, but at least he is guy who didn't rely on his father to get him a job. He also did one heck of a job fact-checking his father's presentation on Iraq to the United Nations. Way to go, Mikey! Who decided to forego the AMS requirement for Extended Band AM stations? Couldn't the owners afford it? Maybe the owners couldn't afford the electric bill for all those 10,000 watts, either. The FCC should help them out there as well and reduce their power to something they could better afford, like 100mW. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Aug 12 12:25:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55502 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 19:25:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 19:25:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 19:25:52 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.bf1.35321e59 (30738) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:25:40 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=J_RWTGS3i0zCD-8C9sWwP_mEjEWHrm0QNZ8bO38n4aHKcof-sKihcOq_brSOl43z X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/12/08 1:28:09 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Yeah, but I still miss backing up the old QRKs...and seeing how long I > could do it before the cue burns got out of hand! :>) G > I suppose you could slip cue a CD. I've seen new jukeboxes that have a modified 45 rpm mechanisms and a laser pickup in what looks like a jukebox phono arm. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 12:31:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68302 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 19:31:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 19:31:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n23b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.142) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 19:31:41 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n23.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 19:31:38 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.250] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 19:31:38 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2008 19:31:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 563634.70995.bm@omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 64722 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 19:31:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@72.161.197.211 with plain) by smtp121.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 19:31:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oCDbm0MVM1kMnPDGl23yKU1gUFxpWb5PUkctVLiyFOaomB4WVBmGWVFRmvJxWCGkfy..KUD9R16ylWXj_d8xDMMJSPMEB9wBihZkGngAoW05bQW73Zu285_7XF2UeHXsUw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:31:34 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=wBZNNQQbvhoaMOb_VZF1JB9BWarOdY6oJ3pSdwaSki39KkxrQw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Are you and brother Al the only rational folks left in the > Volunteer State? Well, I work as an Election Officer. Thats as high as it gets for people who do work full time for the county election office. There really are Democrats in Tennessee. My neighbor just rain unsuccessfully for State Rep for District 71 as a Democrat. > Can we get back to figuring out how to make WSM and WLAC go AM Stereo? I talked to Watt Hairston the CE at WSM a while back. He said that there was not going to be any HD radio at WSM. Thats the good news. He also said there was not enough AM stereo radios to make it worth their while to put AM stereo on when they changed to the latest transmitter a few years back. WLAC is already on the dark side. They are in HD. Once in every 63 billion I can get them to decode for a few moments. I live about 125 miles away from Nashville. Kevin Adamsville, TN Pray for me to recieve a good paying job From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Aug 12 12:32:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72948 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 19:32:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 19:32:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 19:32:32 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c39.3b148d59 (30738) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:32:20 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=CRiSv13ogXt5M1uWhgCGfAraIAWH_MXuxwWcszLOfCorGNwfEDtQUbIFyPQ4wMqT X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/12/08 1:45:45 PM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > Michael Powell was appointed to the FCC by Bill Clinton! Need I say more? Now if you were to say Al Gore, that would upset me. Mike The Number 1 Fan of the Man from Tennessee ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 12:38:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73866 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 19:38:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 19:38:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 19:38:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1494 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2008 19:38:07 -0000 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:38:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:38:07 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <884515.784.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=YDpH834GDEYYwlv552LDOjLA9rcWi84L0ajDyp5iNdc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW It was NEVER a requirement, but a plus to get the station. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/12/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > Who decided to forego the AMS requirement for Extended Band > AM stations? From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Aug 12 16:05:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44313 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 23:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 23:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.146) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 23:05:29 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so343940qwk.54 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:05:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.215.15.18 with SMTP id s18mr7299320qai.87.1218582328877; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.103? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 33sm3064192yxr.3.2008.08.12.16.05.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9DBA01B2-2906-48A2-AF82-604FBE53AD49@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:56:33 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=q5Q33FAnb6q0_CvfOn1Ls3s9U5jZWbxZzxiU5PUsiJDdwGHBv838lsLAADQpKA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 11, 2008, at 10:52 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > can anyone tell me how broadcast stations get the music they play? They get it from Music Service companies. Jones supplies most stations the music. They can deliver over on Audio CD, .Wav files on CD, mp2 files on CD, or via satellite. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 16:13:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77662 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 23:13:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 23:13:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 23:13:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34060 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2008 23:13:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:13:45 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:13:45 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <915282.41954.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <39190.33993.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=SO4ipt8XGhYcEHs9JHpRx_xO2WA6S_Z0MLyK4Ju_3HLcHg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I wondered how long before you pointed that out...my stopwatch didn't run down yet, hah-hah! Just proves even great presidents aren't perfect...G --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 2:44 PM > Michael Powell was appointed to the FCC by Bill Clinton! > > > Powell.... the REAL one! > > > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, george russell > wrote: > > >> Well, you would a be big improvement over the one > we have > > now, > > and a HELL of an improvement over the one before that! > > Michael Powell was so in the pockets of big radio, it > was > > sickening. > > He once said "The purpose of the FCC is to > protect the > > interests of the broadcasters"...WHAT?!? G From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 16:15:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71269 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 23:15:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 23:15:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 23:15:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 90683 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2008 23:15:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:15:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:15:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <76079.90087.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=6wk-cWgrWibrV05y9zclPVw1etDCD36S_5bjNAYH1UehOA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 We have FMs around here that sound like that...G --- On Tue, 8/12/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 3:06 PM > In a message dated 8/12/08 12:59:49 PM Central Daylight > Time, > mtgc@hotmail.com writes: > > > > I have to ask...What the H**L does this have to do > with AM Stereo in any > > way, shape, form or fashion? > > It's a Republican scam by, ironically, Clinton haters > who have preached for > years that Hillary is either the Anti-Christ or the Whore > of Babylon. How it > relates to AM Stereo is that it is intended to put the > Republicans back in > power so they can sell the rights to the U.S. airwaves to > China. We all know how > "quality conscious" China is and their rigorous > standards. By 2010, AM > broadcasting would make an Edison wax cylinder sound like > Dolby Surround 5.1. > > Mike > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 16:16:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19669 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 23:16:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 23:16:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 23:16:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34028 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2008 23:16:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:16:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:16:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <572409.33355.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=PQyH0KzIdsv5AAk_9JiqA8EPMn0gx7ohfxKOR9hnADe0eQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 That's simple...feed the left to WSM and the right to WLAC! OK, I'll go back in my cage now...G --- On Tue, 8/12/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 3:12 PM > In a message dated 8/12/08 1:07:59 PM Central Daylight Time, > > big_h00pla@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Generally the GOP and the Dems both do this. They look > for unanimity. > > > > There is no surprise here. > > > > Kevin > > Adamsville, TN > > > > Keven, > > Are you and brother Al the only rational folks left in the > Volunteer State? > > Can we get back to figuring out how to make WSM and WLAC go > AM Stereo? > > Mike > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 16:18:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69747 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 23:18:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 23:18:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 23:18:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 79969 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2008 23:18:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:18:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:18:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <533789.79555.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=sI5wiqbRmj_sdSb3xhFC5f29ThkXzEGxFbsYWxhLhF75vA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Agreed, he did do some good things, I just wish he hadn't been in the FCC. G --- On Tue, 8/12/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 3:20 PM > Say what you want about Michael Powell, but at least he is > guy who didn't > rely on his father to get him a job. He also did one heck > of a job fact-checking > his father's presentation on Iraq to the United > Nations. Way to go, Mikey! > > Who decided to forego the AMS requirement for Extended Band > AM stations? > Couldn't the owners afford it? Maybe the owners > couldn't afford the electric > bill for all those 10,000 watts, either. The FCC should > help them out there as > well and reduce their power to something they could better > afford, like 100mW. > > Mike > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 16:21:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67540 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 23:21:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 23:21:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 23:21:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26962 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2008 23:21:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:21:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:21:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <462092.26364.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=txPkWP-rUnD9SbAhADRO6QNGcsPyQgQaxjRXf3Z1Of2adQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I wondered about that...then realized that the bit stream from the optical block has to come out at a tightly controlled frequency, or all you get is silence. (Yeah, certain players have a pitch control, but it slows or speeds the clock in the player, and the disc motor follows in step...I think!) G --- On Tue, 8/12/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 3:25 PM > In a message dated 8/12/08 1:28:09 PM Central Daylight Time, > > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Yeah, but I still miss backing up the old QRKs...and > seeing how long I > > could do it before the cue burns got out of hand! > :>) G > > > > I suppose you could slip cue a CD. I've seen new > jukeboxes that have a > modified 45 rpm mechanisms and a laser pickup in what looks > like a jukebox phono > arm. > > Mike > > > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Tue Aug 12 16:59:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75322 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2008 23:59:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2008 23:59:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2008 23:59:22 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail09.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.149]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABELEJ8GALEH7KS for (sender ); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:59:02 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD5yl/21U6j4buPPqGNEsJfo= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail09.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NSFCRTNW; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:58:28 PDT X-Received: from [99.132.113.29] by webmail09.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:57:52 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:57:52 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080812.165752.29219.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:2:3352188074 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.149|webmail09.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: FCC and bandwidth hogs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=OZsBKoF8O1GvP4lFmhG-Mg5m9oUi79AGVpxQbK-h0A X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn On Aug. 1, the Federal Communications Commission gave Comcast 30 days to di= sclose its discriminatory Internet management practices that interfered wit= h customers=92 use of peer-to-peer applications, such as BitTorrent, that c= ould be used to share high-quality video, audio and other data files. The commission imposed the deadline for disclosure and ordered the company = to submit a plan by the end of the year telling how it would cease these pr= actices and disclose its replacement practices after finding that Comcast u= nduly interfered with Internet users=92 right to access lawful Internet con= tent and to use the applications of their choice. After conducting an investigation, the commission determined Comcast had de= ployed equipment across its network to monitor the content of customer=92s = Internet connections and selectively block peer-to-peer connections. The Commission concluded the company=92s network management practices discr= iminate among applications rather than treating all equally and are inconsi= stent with the concept of an open and accessible Internet. It found Comcast= uses a technique know as deep packet inspection to monitor customer connec= tions and then determines how to route some connections based not on their = destinations but on their contents. While the company contended the practices were warranted to combat network = congestion, the commission found otherwise. In fact, the FCC noted Comcast = has a motive to interfere with such peer-to-peer applications to impede cus= tomers from watching high-quality video distributed via peer-to-peer applic= ations that might otherwise compete with the company=92s own video-on-deman= d service. Following the decision, National Cable & Telecommunications Association pre= sident and CEO Kyle McSlarrow issued a statement saying the FCC =93has inex= plicably elevated the interests of a few bandwidth hogs over everyone else.= " From w6yn@juno.com Tue Aug 12 17:19:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86968 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 00:19:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 00:19:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 00:19:52 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail09.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.149]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABELELEKAMS2TGA for (sender ); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:19:21 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD4PIECDfy2H1BnE9n0CbEfw= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail09.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NSFDXGLH; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:19:02 PDT X-Received: from [99.132.113.29] by webmail09.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:18:21 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:18:21 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080812.171821.29219.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:3:2467012653 X-MAIL-INFO:5e34d1e4e57560a0a5e5752175e0154970e90d0cb4c965bd75f5250ced3539658140b43d3039c1c1b5707dedb579 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.149|webmail09.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=77o8QMI3E5hxcYQJXVnds6KOjUo_vKgku3BGQx2R3g X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn I wasn't the person that mentioned the "Fairness Doctrine" but it sure stim= ulated comments on this list. It may continue to do so. Don -- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: I have to ask...What the H**L does this have to do with AM Stereo in any wa= y, shape, form or fashion? =20 MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: w6yn@juno.comDate: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 = 17:48:56 +0000Subject: {AMSF} Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE Democratic Party Tells Hillary Delegates: SHUT UP OR ELSEClinton supporters= being subjected to a form of "Fairness Doctrine."E-mail challenges Clinton= backer; she wonders where free speech wentBy Allison SherryThe Denver Post= Article Last Updated: 08/12/2008 06:14:09 AM MDTSacha Millstone of Boulder = has hired a lawyer after a Democratic Party e-mail ordered her to come to h= eadquarters and explain disparaging remarks she made about Barack Obama. A = Clinton supporter, she hired an attorney who wrote the party asking for the= rules that allow the party to threaten a person's removal from the state d= elegation. Party officials say the issue has been dropped. (RJ Sangosti, fi= le photo )The Colorado Democratic Party would like Boulder delegate Sacha M= illstone, who is devoted to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, to give up her spo= t as a delegate to the Democratic National Convention.Party officials said = Monday that they won't insist Millstone resign. But in an e-mail last week,= Billy Compton, state political director of the Colorado Democratic Party, = ordered Millstone into his office to explain disparaging comments she made = about Barack Obama.Compton said the party had received a complaint about Mi= llstone from another delegate."You are hereby directed to come in to the pa= rty Headquarters and explain your comments and why you should remain a nati= onal delegate to the 2008 Democratic National Convention in light of these = comments," the letter said.Millstone, who has hired a lawyer, was infuriate= d."Isn't there a right to free speech? Isn't this right in line with our ti= me-honored tradition with the Dems?" she said. "These intimidation tactics = have a chilling effect on people feeling comfortable speaking up."Millstone= 's lawyer wrote Compton asking for the rules that allow the party to threat= en removal from the state delegation.State party officials said Monday that= the issue has been dropped."We wanted to explore with Ms. Millstone the po= ssibility of her voluntarily resigning her position," Compton said. "I simp= ly wanted to discuss the matter with her."This week's back and forth unders= cores the escalating tension across the country among Clinton delegates.Mos= t loyal to Clinton say they simply want their vote for her to count at the = convention, and then they'll get behind Obama before his acceptance speech = at Invesco Field on Aug. 28."It's inevitable within a party of this size th= at there will be different views about the merits of the candidates that th= e parties put forward," said Daniel Kagan, a delegate representing Denver.K= agan, who is circulating a petition among delegates nationally to get Clint= on's name on the convention ballot, said it's "autocratic" of the party to = force support of one candidate."It's ludicrously overambitious and an unatt= ractive goal," he said.Though Clinton could agree for her name to appear on= the ballot, party insiders say that is unlikely.A delegate from Wisconsin,= Debra Bartoshevich, was kicked off her state's delegation after she vowed = to support Republican presidential front runner Sen. John McCain when Clint= on suspended her campaign.Natalie Wyeth, a spokeswoman for the Democratic N= ational Convention Committee, said she was unaware of any other such cases.= Obama campaign spokeswoman Shannon Gilson issued a statement Monday saying = it was the campaign's "priority to ensure Ms. Millstone's delegate status w= as not in jeopardy."State Democratic Party chair Pat Waak, who said it woul= d be nice to have a united delegation when 50,000 conventioneers arrive in = Colorado, called the Millstone matter "moot.""We're getting too near the co= nvention, and she's refused to come in," Waak said.Any effort to intimidate= Clinton supporters won't work, at least not on at-large Clinton delegate S= onya Jaquez Lewis, who lives in unincorporated Boulder County."It makes me = angry," Jaquez Lewis said. "It makes me want to now really be even louder a= bout issues and concerns that before I was willing to look the other way."A= llison Sherry: 303-954-1377 or asherry@denverpost.com=20 From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 17:32:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45598 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 00:32:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 00:32:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web31914.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.94) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 00:32:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14861 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2008 00:32:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CELfon4VM1llUAOi6lJJ6.cfIePk31KzcuFSTFivwYDuatN1P8Xs2W9W X-Received: from [118.90.67.238] by web31914.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:32:10 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:32:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1218582997.1588.19674.m49@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <616520.12510.qm@web31914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 2778 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915; y=lecZxpOaOUIpg6UXiTJ1AyViPCTtTt9bXc32LhihttkcoRKOAA X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No wonder AM stereo is a failure.If 1/2 the idiots on this list keep raving on about politics,then it will be a turn off.Please keep it about radio as I am tired of 4 digests a day of Crap.Thankyou. Michael amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: The AM STEREO Forum Messages In This Digest (25 Messages) 1a. Re: Where do stations get the music they play? From: clemsonbloke 1b. Re: Where do stations get the music they play? From: clemsonbloke 1c. Re: Where do stations get the music they play? From: Powell E. Way III 1d. Re: Where do stations get the music they play? From: mjgrant@aol.com 1e. Re: Where do stations get the music they play? From: Powell E. Way III 1f. Re: Where do stations get the music they play? From: george russell 1g. Re: Where do stations get the music they play? From: george russell 1h. Re: Where do stations get the music they play? From: mjgrant@aol.com 1i. Re: Where do stations get the music they play? From: Possum Hunter 2a. Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE From: W6YN Don Milbury 2b. Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO 2c. Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE From: kevin redding 2d. Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE From: mjgrant@aol.com 2e. Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE From: mjgrant@aol.com 2f. Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE From: kevin redding 2g. Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE From: george russell 2h. Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE From: george russell 3a. Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo From: george russell 3b. Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo From: kevin redding 3c. Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo From: george russell 3d. Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo From: Powell E. Way III 3e. Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo From: mjgrant@aol.com 3f. Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo From: mjgrant@aol.com 3g. Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo From: Powell E. Way III 3h. Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo From: george russell View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: Where do stations get the music they play? Posted by: "clemsonbloke" clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk clemsonbloke Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:31 am (PDT) Well up through 90s they came in on CDs. Nowadays increasingly things are done over the internet since most businesses now have blazing fast internet. Business internet speed is different from home cable. Cable may be fast but the up and down speed is different. In businesses theres speed that is equal up and down meaning if say the speed was 10 megabytes per second download its that same speed upload. At home with cable its different. You buy say 5 meg download per second but your upload speed is only around 256 kilobyte. The business and corporate internet is quite fast, most likely much faster in most than my example. These days all music is posted on a hard drive so it makes sense to send them internet. It's also quick to get a brand new song out nationally, it's almost instant. The last time I checked most stations I knew of were using 320 kbps MP2 files. Yeah I said MP2. MP3 is more popular with the kids and all but the MP2 standard is still a more broadcast standard. Heres a basic wikipedia explanation of MP2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-1_Audio_Layer_II Hope that helps. Things do change fast in the industry, sometimes almost overnight. Newer coding methods are being investigated and rolled out all the time. Of course anyone could theoretically use any format they wanted. These days if you hear a record playing on the radio, even with the crackles and pops, it still may be a computer file. Someone may have just direct transferred it without that crackle and pop cleanup that some programs will do. The problem with some of those programs is that sometimes they mute out some of the music if the crackle and pop is too bad on a record. I heard Bill playing a song the other week on WNMB and it had some crackles and pops and I couldn't help but wonder if it was a real turntable playing or if he had put it into the system as an MP2 or something. I think he has a turntable though in the studio. At any rate radio is still fun, just different technology. Many of us miss the old records or CD's being played but when it gets down to it its the music. You have to admit theres some good rock and roll music thats been put out since the 1950's! The fun is all in the music! -Kevin --- On Mon, 8/11/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 10:52 PM Not having been in broadcasting since Nixon was in the White House, can anyone tell me how broadcast stations get the music they play? I mean the media and in what form. In the old days, 45s and LPs came in the mail from the record companies at the college station. In real radio, they were hand delivered by a guy who looked like he cornered the market on Brylcream and combed his hair with a butterknife. Just wondering. Mike ************ ** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos. aol.com/cars- BMW-128-2008/ expert-review? ncid=aolaut00050 000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) 1b. Re: Where do stations get the music they play? Posted by: "clemsonbloke" clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk clemsonbloke Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:37 am (PDT) Another note on that. I can't remember which companies the stations buy the music through for download but theyre are different companies than the ones consumers use. --- On Tue, 8/12/08, clemsonbloke wrote: From: clemsonbloke Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 7:31 AM Well up through 90s they came in on CDs. Nowadays increasingly things are done over the internet since most businesses now have blazing fast internet. Business internet speed is different from home cable. Cable may be fast but the up and down speed is different. In businesses theres speed that is equal up and down meaning if say the speed was 10 megabytes per second download its that same speed upload. At home with cable its different. You buy say 5 meg download per second but your upload speed is only around 256 kilobyte. The business and corporate internet is quite fast, most likely much faster in most than my example. These days all music is posted on a hard drive so it makes sense to send them internet. It's also quick to get a brand new song out nationally, it's almost instant. The last time I checked most stations I knew of were using 320 kbps MP2 files. Yeah I said MP2. MP3 is more popular with the kids and all but the MP2 standard is still a more broadcast standard. Heres a basic wikipedia explanation of MP2: http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ MPEG-1_Audio_ Layer_II Hope that helps. Things do change fast in the industry, sometimes almost overnight. Newer coding methods are being investigated and rolled out all the time. Of course anyone could theoretically use any format they wanted. These days if you hear a record playing on the radio, even with the crackles and pops, it still may be a computer file. Someone may have just direct transferred it without that crackle and pop cleanup that some programs will do. The problem with some of those programs is that sometimes they mute out some of the music if the crackle and pop is too bad on a record. I heard Bill playing a song the other week on WNMB and it had some crackles and pops and I couldn't help but wonder if it was a real turntable playing or if he had put it into the system as an MP2 or something. I think he has a turntable though in the studio. At any rate radio is still fun, just different technology. Many of us miss the old records or CD's being played but when it gets down to it its the music. You have to admit theres some good rock and roll music thats been put out since the 1950's! The fun is all in the music! -Kevin --- On Mon, 8/11/08, mjgrant@aol. com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol. com Subject: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 10:52 PM Not having been in broadcasting since Nixon was in the White House, can anyone tell me how broadcast stations get the music they play? I mean the media and in what form. In the old days, 45s and LPs came in the mail from the record companies at the college station. In real radio, they were hand delivered by a guy who looked like he cornered the market on Brylcream and combed his hair with a butterknife. Just wondering. Mike ************ ** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos. aol.com/cars- BMW-128-2008/ expert-review? ncid=aolaut00050 000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) 1c. Re: Where do stations get the music they play? Posted by: "Powell E. Way III" w4opw@yahoo.com W4OPW Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:05 am (PDT) We get a weekly CD from our music service. It covers all formats, so maybe one to 3 cuts are ok. Let's say this. Any modern FM station that uses MP2 format is asking for trouble. There is simply NO need and NO excuse for doing so. It will cause problems as analog STL's are going away or have already done so. You want everything to be linear audio, and that's the way it needs to be delivered. Multiple digital encoding and decoding streams in your broadcast plant is a recipe for disaster. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) 1d. Re: Where do stations get the music they play? Posted by: "mjgrant@aol.com" mjgrant@aol.com grant_at_hardscrapple Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:51 am (PDT) Powell, Are the CD's from your music service regular analog or digital files in some kind of format? Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) 1e. Re: Where do stations get the music they play? Posted by: "Powell E. Way III" w4opw@yahoo.com W4OPW Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:08 am (PDT) comments below quoted --- On Tue, 8/12/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: , August 12, 2008, 12:51 PM > Powell, > > Are the CD's from your music service regular analog or > digital files in some kind of format? > Regular CD's. Will play in CD player. Everything on a CD is digital.... you mean compressed.... well not compressed. Powell Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) 1f. Re: Where do stations get the music they play? Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo.com wlx1430 Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:24 am (PDT) I remember the Brylcream guy...he's the same one that delivered certain presidential portraits and powdered substances to the PDs and DJs, and I believe a refrigerator you mentioned before. :>) G --- On Mon, 8/11/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 10:52 PM > Not having been in broadcasting since Nixon was in the White > House, can > anyone tell me how broadcast stations get the music they > play? I mean the media > and in what form. > > In the old days, 45s and LPs came in the mail from the > record companies at > the college station. In real radio, they were hand > delivered by a guy who > looked like he cornered the market on Brylcream and combed > his hair with a > butterknife. > > Just wondering. > > Mike > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) 1g. Re: Where do stations get the music they play? Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo.com wlx1430 Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:27 am (PDT) Yeah, but I still miss backing up the old QRKs...and seeing how long I could do it before the cue burns got out of hand! :>) G --- On Tue, 8/12/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 7:31 AM > Well up through 90s they came in on CDs. Nowadays > increasingly things are done over the internet since most > businesses now have blazing fast internet. Business > internet speed is different from home cable. Cable may be > fast but the up and down speed is different. In businesses > theres speed that is equal up and down meaning if say the > speed was 10 megabytes per second download its that same > speed upload. At home with cable its different. You buy > say 5 meg download per second but your upload speed is only > around 256 kilobyte. The business and corporate internet > is quite fast, most likely much faster in most than my > example. These days all music is posted on a hard drive so > it makes sense to send them internet. It's also quick > to get a brand new song out nationally, it's almost > instant. The last time I checked most stations I knew of > were using 320 kbps MP2 files. Yeah I said MP2. MP3 is > more popular with the kids and all but the MP2 > standard is still a more broadcast standard. Heres a > basic wikipedia explanation of MP2: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-1_Audio_Layer_II > > Hope that helps. Things do change fast in the industry, > sometimes almost overnight. Newer coding methods are being > investigated and rolled out all the time. Of course anyone > could theoretically use any format they wanted. These days > if you hear a record playing on the radio, even with the > crackles and pops, it still may be a computer file. > Someone may have just direct transferred it without that > crackle and pop cleanup that some programs will do. The > problem with some of those programs is that sometimes they > mute out some of the music if the crackle and pop is too bad > on a record. I heard Bill playing a song the other week on > WNMB and it had some crackles and pops and I couldn't > help but wonder if it was a real turntable playing or if he > had put it into the system as an MP2 or something. I think > he has a turntable though in the studio. At any rate radio > is still fun, just different technology. Many of us miss > the old records or CD's > being played but when it gets down to it its the music. > You have to admit theres some good rock and roll music thats > been put out since the 1950's! The fun is all in the > music! > > -Kevin > > > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, mjgrant@aol.com > wrote: > > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 10:52 PM > > > > > > > Not having been in broadcasting since Nixon was in the > White House, can > anyone tell me how broadcast stations get the music they > play? I mean the media > and in what form. > > In the old days, 45s and LPs came in the mail from the > record companies at > the college station. In real radio, they were hand > delivered by a guy who > looked like he cornered the market on Brylcream and combed > his hair with a > butterknife. > > Just wondering. > > Mike > > ************ ** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos. aol.com/cars- BMW-128-2008/ expert-review? > ncid=aolaut00050 000000017 ) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) 1h. Re: Where do stations get the music they play? Posted by: "mjgrant@aol.com" mjgrant@aol.com grant_at_hardscrapple Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:25 pm (PDT) In a message dated 8/12/08 1:28:09 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Yeah, but I still miss backing up the old QRKs...and seeing how long I > could do it before the cue burns got out of hand! :>) G > I suppose you could slip cue a CD. I've seen new jukeboxes that have a modified 45 rpm mechanisms and a laser pickup in what looks like a jukebox phono arm. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) 1i. Re: Where do stations get the music they play? Posted by: "Possum Hunter" thepossumhunter@gmail.com ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:05 pm (PDT) On Aug 11, 2008, at 10:52 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > can anyone tell me how broadcast stations get the music they play? They get it from Music Service companies. Jones supplies most stations the music. They can deliver over on Audio CD, .Wav files on CD, mp2 files on CD, or via satellite. Kevin Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) 2a. Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE Posted by: "W6YN Don Milbury" w6yn@juno.com w6yn Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:51 am (PDT) Democratic Party Tells Hillary Delegates: SHUT UP OR ELSE Clinton supporters being subjected to a form of "Fairness Doctrine." E-mail challenges Clinton backer; she wonders where free speech went By Allison Sherry The Denver Post Article Last Updated: 08/12/2008 06:14:09 AM MDT Sacha Millstone of Boulder has hired a lawyer after a Democratic Party e-mail ordered her to come to headquarters and explain disparaging remarks she made about Barack Obama. A Clinton supporter, she hired an attorney who wrote the party asking for the rules that allow the party to threaten a person's removal from the state delegation. Party officials say the issue has been dropped. (RJ Sangosti, file photo ) The Colorado Democratic Party would like Boulder delegate Sacha Millstone, who is devoted to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, to give up her spot as a delegate to the Democratic National Convention. Party officials said Monday that they won't insist Millstone resign. But in an e-mail last week, Billy Compton, state political director of the Colorado Democratic Party, ordered Millstone into his office to explain disparaging comments she made about Barack Obama. Compton said the party had received a complaint about Millstone from another delegate. "You are hereby directed to come in to the party Headquarters and explain your comments and why you should remain a national delegate to the 2008 Democratic National Convention in light of these comments," the letter said. Millstone, who has hired a lawyer, was infuriated. "Isn't there a right to free speech? Isn't this right in line with our time-honored tradition with the Dems?" she said. "These intimidation tactics have a chilling effect on people feeling comfortable speaking up." Millstone's lawyer wrote Compton asking for the rules that allow the party to threaten removal from the state delegation. State party officials said Monday that the issue has been dropped. "We wanted to explore with Ms. Millstone the possibility of her voluntarily resigning her position," Compton said. "I simply wanted to discuss the matter with her." This week's back and forth underscores the escalating tension across the country among Clinton delegates. Most loyal to Clinton say they simply want their vote for her to count at the convention, and then they'll get behind Obama before his acceptance speech at Invesco Field on Aug. 28. "It's inevitable within a party of this size that there will be different views about the merits of the candidates that the parties put forward," said Daniel Kagan, a delegate representing Denver. Kagan, who is circulating a petition among delegates nationally to get Clinton's name on the convention ballot, said it's "autocratic" of the party to force support of one candidate. "It's ludicrously overambitious and an unattractive goal," he said. Though Clinton could agree for her name to appear on the ballot, party insiders say that is unlikely. A delegate from Wisconsin, Debra Bartoshevich, was kicked off her state's delegation after she vowed to support Republican presidential front runner Sen. John McCain when Clinton suspended her campaign. Natalie Wyeth, a spokeswoman for the Democratic National Convention Committee, said she was unaware of any other such cases. Obama campaign spokeswoman Shannon Gilson issued a statement Monday saying it was the campaign's "priority to ensure Ms. Millstone's delegate status was not in jeopardy." State Democratic Party chair Pat Waak, who said it would be nice to have a united delegation when 50,000 conventioneers arrive in Colorado, called the Millstone matter "moot." "We're getting too near the convention, and she's refused to come in," Waak said. Any effort to intimidate Clinton supporters won't work, at least not on at-large Clinton delegate Sonya Jaquez Lewis, who lives in unincorporated Boulder County. "It makes me angry," Jaquez Lewis said. "It makes me want to now really be even louder about issues and concerns that before I was willing to look the other way." Allison Sherry: 303-954-1377 or asherry@denverpost.com Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 2b. Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE Posted by: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" mtgc@hotmail.com mtgc09161948 Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:59 am (PDT) I have to ask...What the H**L does this have to do with AM Stereo in any way, shape, form or fashion? MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: w6yn@juno.comDate: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:48:56 +0000Subject: {AMSF} Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE Democratic Party Tells Hillary Delegates: SHUT UP OR ELSEClinton supporters being subjected to a form of "Fairness Doctrine."E-mail challenges Clinton backer; she wonders where free speech wentBy Allison SherryThe Denver PostArticle Last Updated: 08/12/2008 06:14:09 AM MDTSacha Millstone of Boulder has hired a lawyer after a Democratic Party e-mail ordered her to come to headquarters and explain disparaging remarks she made about Barack Obama. A Clinton supporter, she hired an attorney who wrote the party asking for the rules that allow the party to threaten a person's removal from the state delegation. Party officials say the issue has been dropped. (RJ Sangosti, file photo )The Colorado Democratic Party would like Boulder delegate Sacha Millstone, who is devoted to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, to give up her spot as a delegate to the Democratic National Convention.Party officials said Monday that they won't insist Millstone resign. But in an e-mail last week, Billy Compton, state political director of the Colorado Democratic Party, ordered Millstone into his office to explain disparaging comments she made about Barack Obama.Compton said the party had received a complaint about Millstone from another delegate."You are hereby directed to come in to the party Headquarters and explain your comments and why you should remain a national delegate to the 2008 Democratic National Convention in light of these comments," the letter said.Millstone, who has hired a lawyer, was infuriated."Isn't there a right to free speech? Isn't this right in line with our time-honored tradition with the Dems?" she said. "These intimidation tactics have a chilling effect on people feeling comfortable speaking up."Millstone's lawyer wrote Compton asking for the rules that allow the party to threaten removal from the state delegation.State party officials said Monday that the issue has been dropped."We wanted to explore with Ms. Millstone the possibility of her voluntarily resigning her position," Compton said. "I simply wanted to discuss the matter with her."This week's back and forth underscores the escalating tension across the country among Clinton delegates.Most loyal to Clinton say they simply want their vote for her to count at the convention, and then they'll get behind Obama before his acceptance speech at Invesco Field on Aug. 28."It's inevitable within a party of this size that there will be different views about the merits of the candidates that the parties put forward," said Daniel Kagan, a delegate representing Denver.Kagan, who is circulating a petition among delegates nationally to get Clinton's name on the convention ballot, said it's "autocratic" of the party to force support of one candidate."It's ludicrously overambitious and an unattractive goal," he said.Though Clinton could agree for her name to appear on the ballot, party insiders say that is unlikely.A delegate from Wisconsin, Debra Bartoshevich, was kicked off her state's delegation after she vowed to support Republican presidential front runner Sen. John McCain when Clinton suspended her campaign.Natalie Wyeth, a spokeswoman for the Democratic National Convention Committee, said she was unaware of any other such cases.Obama campaign spokeswoman Shannon Gilson issued a statement Monday saying it was the campaign's "priority to ensure Ms. Millstone's delegate status was not in jeopardy."State Democratic Party chair Pat Waak, who said it would be nice to have a united delegation when 50,000 conventioneers arrive in Colorado, called the Millstone matter "moot.""We're getting too near the convention, and she's refused to come in," Waak said.Any effort to intimidate Clinton supporters won't work, at least not on at-large Clinton delegate Sonya Jaquez Lewis, who lives in unincorporated Boulder County."It makes me angry," Jaquez Lewis said. "It makes me want to now really be even louder about issues and concerns that before I was willing to look the other way."Allison Sherry: 303-954-1377 or asherry@denverpost.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 2c. Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE Posted by: "kevin redding" big_h00pla@yahoo.com big_h00pla Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:07 am (PDT) On Aug 12, 2008, at 5:48 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Kagan, who is circulating a petition among delegates nationally to > get Clinton's name on the convention ballot, said it's "autocratic" > of the party to force support of one candidate. Generally the GOP and the Dems both do this. They look for unanimity. There is no surprise here. Kevin Adamsville, TN Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 2d. Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE Posted by: "mjgrant@aol.com" mjgrant@aol.com grant_at_hardscrapple Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:06 pm (PDT) In a message dated 8/12/08 12:59:49 PM Central Daylight Time, mtgc@hotmail.com writes: > I have to ask...What the H**L does this have to do with AM Stereo in any > way, shape, form or fashion? It's a Republican scam by, ironically, Clinton haters who have preached for years that Hillary is either the Anti-Christ or the Whore of Babylon. How it relates to AM Stereo is that it is intended to put the Republicans back in power so they can sell the rights to the U.S. airwaves to China. We all know how "quality conscious" China is and their rigorous standards. By 2010, AM broadcasting would make an Edison wax cylinder sound like Dolby Surround 5.1. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 2e. Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE Posted by: "mjgrant@aol.com" mjgrant@aol.com grant_at_hardscrapple Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:12 pm (PDT) In a message dated 8/12/08 1:07:59 PM Central Daylight Time, big_h00pla@yahoo.com writes: > Generally the GOP and the Dems both do this. They look for unanimity. > > There is no surprise here. > > Kevin > Adamsville, TN > Keven, Are you and brother Al the only rational folks left in the Volunteer State? Can we get back to figuring out how to make WSM and WLAC go AM Stereo? Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 2f. Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE Posted by: "kevin redding" big_h00pla@yahoo.com big_h00pla Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:31 pm (PDT) > Are you and brother Al the only rational folks left in the > Volunteer State? Well, I work as an Election Officer. Thats as high as it gets for people who do work full time for the county election office. There really are Democrats in Tennessee. My neighbor just rain unsuccessfully for State Rep for District 71 as a Democrat. > Can we get back to figuring out how to make WSM and WLAC go AM Stereo? I talked to Watt Hairston the CE at WSM a while back. He said that there was not going to be any HD radio at WSM. Thats the good news. He also said there was not enough AM stereo radios to make it worth their while to put AM stereo on when they changed to the latest transmitter a few years back. WLAC is already on the dark side. They are in HD. Once in every 63 billion I can get them to decode for a few moments. I live about 125 miles away from Nashville. Kevin Adamsville, TN Pray for me to recieve a good paying job Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 2g. Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo.com wlx1430 Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:15 pm (PDT) We have FMs around here that sound like that...G --- On Tue, 8/12/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 3:06 PM > In a message dated 8/12/08 12:59:49 PM Central Daylight > Time, > mtgc@hotmail.com writes: > > > > I have to ask...What the H**L does this have to do > with AM Stereo in any > > way, shape, form or fashion? > > It's a Republican scam by, ironically, Clinton haters > who have preached for > years that Hillary is either the Anti-Christ or the Whore > of Babylon. How it > relates to AM Stereo is that it is intended to put the > Republicans back in > power so they can sell the rights to the U.S. airwaves to > China. We all know how > "quality conscious" China is and their rigorous > standards. By 2010, AM > broadcasting would make an Edison wax cylinder sound like > Dolby Surround 5.1. > > Mike > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 2h. Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo.com wlx1430 Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:16 pm (PDT) That's simple...feed the left to WSM and the right to WLAC! OK, I'll go back in my cage now...G --- On Tue, 8/12/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 3:12 PM > In a message dated 8/12/08 1:07:59 PM Central Daylight Time, > > big_h00pla@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Generally the GOP and the Dems both do this. They look > for unanimity. > > > > There is no surprise here. > > > > Kevin > > Adamsville, TN > > > > Keven, > > Are you and brother Al the only rational folks left in the > Volunteer State? > > Can we get back to figuring out how to make WSM and WLAC go > AM Stereo? > > Mike > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (8) 3a. Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo.com wlx1430 Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:21 am (PDT) Well, you would a be big improvement over the one we have now, and a HELL of an improvement over the one before that! Michael Powell was so in the pockets of big radio, it was sickening. He once said "The purpose of the FCC is to protect the interests of the broadcasters"...WHAT?!? G --- On Mon, 8/11/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 10:00 PM > In a message dated 8/11/08 4:37:17 PM Central Daylight Time, > > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Mike, you hit a whole BOX of nails squarely on the > head...AMEN! G > > > Maybe Barack will appointment me chair of the FCC. > > Mike > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (17) 3b. Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo Posted by: "kevin redding" big_h00pla@yahoo.com big_h00pla Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:28 am (PDT) On Aug 12, 2008, at 1:21 PM, george russell wrote: > He once said "The purpose of the FCC is to protect the interests of > the broadcasters"...WHAT?!? The Public Airwaves.... what were WE thinking? Kevin Adamsville, TN Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (17) 3c. Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo.com wlx1430 Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:34 am (PDT) Yes, I'm sure there's no truth to the rumor that when Michael passes away, he want's his ashes distributed through the air ducts at Clear Channel! G --- On Tue, 8/12/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 2:28 PM > On Aug 12, 2008, at 1:21 PM, george russell wrote: > > > He once said "The purpose of the FCC is to > protect the interests of > > the broadcasters"...WHAT?!? > > The Public Airwaves.... what were WE thinking? > > Kevin > Adamsville, TN Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (17) 3d. Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo Posted by: "Powell E. Way III" w4opw@yahoo.com W4OPW Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:45 am (PDT) Michael Powell was appointed to the FCC by Bill Clinton! Powell.... the REAL one! NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/12/08, george russell wrote: >> Well, you would a be big improvement over the one we have > now, > and a HELL of an improvement over the one before that! > Michael Powell was so in the pockets of big radio, it was > sickening. > He once said "The purpose of the FCC is to protect the > interests of the broadcasters"...WHAT?!? G Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (17) 3e. Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo Posted by: "mjgrant@aol.com" mjgrant@aol.com grant_at_hardscrapple Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:20 pm (PDT) Say what you want about Michael Powell, but at least he is guy who didn't rely on his father to get him a job. He also did one heck of a job fact-checking his father's presentation on Iraq to the United Nations. Way to go, Mikey! Who decided to forego the AMS requirement for Extended Band AM stations? Couldn't the owners afford it? Maybe the owners couldn't afford the electric bill for all those 10,000 watts, either. The FCC should help them out there as well and reduce their power to something they could better afford, like 100mW. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (17) 3f. Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo Posted by: "mjgrant@aol.com" mjgrant@aol.com grant_at_hardscrapple Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:32 pm (PDT) In a message dated 8/12/08 1:45:45 PM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > Michael Powell was appointed to the FCC by Bill Clinton! Need I say more? Now if you were to say Al Gore, that would upset me. Mike The Number 1 Fan of the Man from Tennessee ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (17) 3g. Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo Posted by: "Powell E. Way III" w4opw@yahoo.com W4OPW Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:38 pm (PDT) It was NEVER a requirement, but a plus to get the station. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/12/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > Who decided to forego the AMS requirement for Extended Band > AM stations? Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (17) 3h. Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo.com wlx1430 Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:13 pm (PDT) I wondered how long before you pointed that out...my stopwatch didn't run down yet, hah-hah! Just proves even great presidents aren't perfect...G --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 2:44 PM > Michael Powell was appointed to the FCC by Bill Clinton! > > > Powell.... the REAL one! > > > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, george russell > wrote: > > >> Well, you would a be big improvement over the one > we have > > now, > > and a HELL of an improvement over the one before that! > > Michael Powell was so in the pockets of big radio, it > was > > sickening. > > He once said "The purpose of the FCC is to > protect the > > interests of the broadcasters"...WHAT?!? G Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (17) Recent Activity 2 New Files Visit Your Group Star Wars on Y! Discover new content Connect with other fans & upload video. Yahoo! Groups Women of Curves Discuss food, fitness and weight loss. Yahoo! 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Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Michael&Ross [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 18:26:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 781 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 01:26:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 01:26:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 01:26:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17994 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2008 01:26:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:26:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:26:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080812.165752.29219.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <733107.16924.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC and bandwidth hogs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=5DshTK-DR-5eg8k8RxXuTGdwjS14sa6fPAlcMmbHe3GZIA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Maybe it's time the internet became a public utility, like gas and electric= ity! G --- On Tue, 8/12/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: {AMSF} FCC and bandwidth hogs > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 7:57 PM > On Aug. 1, the Federal Communications Commission gave > Comcast 30 days to disclose its discriminatory Internet > management practices that interfered with customers=E2=80=99 use > of peer-to-peer applications, such as BitTorrent, that could > be used to share high-quality video, audio and other data > files. >=20 > The commission imposed the deadline for disclosure and > ordered the company to submit a plan by the end of the year > telling how it would cease these practices and disclose its > replacement practices after finding that Comcast unduly > interfered with Internet users=E2=80=99 right to access lawful > Internet content and to use the applications of their > choice. >=20 > After conducting an investigation, the commission > determined Comcast had deployed equipment across its network > to monitor the content of customer=E2=80=99s Internet connections > and selectively block peer-to-peer connections. >=20 > The Commission concluded the company=E2=80=99s network management > practices discriminate among applications rather than > treating all equally and are inconsistent with the concept > of an open and accessible Internet. It found Comcast uses a > technique know as deep packet inspection to monitor customer > connections and then determines how to route some > connections based not on their destinations but on their > contents. >=20 > While the company contended the practices were warranted to > combat network congestion, the commission found otherwise. > In fact, the FCC noted Comcast has a motive to interfere > with such peer-to-peer applications to impede customers from > watching high-quality video distributed via peer-to-peer > applications that might otherwise compete with the > company=E2=80=99s own video-on-demand service. >=20 > Following the decision, National Cable & > Telecommunications Association president and CEO Kyle > McSlarrow issued a statement saying the FCC =E2=80=9Chas > inexplicably elevated the interests of a few bandwidth hogs > over everyone else." =20=20=20=20=20=20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Aug 12 18:40:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40490 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 01:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 01:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 01:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.239] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080812204030101014200010.0) with SMTP id <20080812204030101014200010> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:40:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <026e01c8fce6$2e666800$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <828779.16251.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <011b01c8f8f2$9c4b1700$d503fea9@stodd> <010c01c8f903$1d97b9c0$58c72d40$@net> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:40:30 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- political; was- small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=YGvJmyJUTDsNbC_TBYz6l-pEiWtxst34vgu815ACGgjjtaeYnx1q X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And do you read anything besides the Huffington Post? Took your advice and did a search and found these: WASHINGTON -- President Bush, having repeatedly linked Saddam Hussein to the terrorist organization behind the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, said yesterday there is no evidence that the deposed Iraqi leader had a hand in those attacks, in contrast to the belief of most Americans. source: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/140133_bushiraq18.html and this from CNN: Bush, who has said himself that there is no evidence Iraq was involved in 9/11, sought to explain the distinction Thursday, saying that while the administration never "said that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated" with Iraqi help, "we did say there were numerous contacts between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda." "The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda [is] because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda," the president said. source: http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/18/cheney.iraq.al.qaeda/ Big difference in saying there may have been an alliance, however shallow, between Saddam and Al Qaida and saying Saddam helped plan the attacks, which is what the left has been alleging the VP said. And yes, I'm quite aware of the differences in Sunni and Shiite, but even they will sometimes cooperate to battle what they see as a greater evil, namely us and Israel. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: J Gualda Q Media To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Let me start with the first one that comes to mind, and until recently still repeated this retarded mantra.Our beloved Dick Cheney. I can fill this page with quotes, but anyone with Internet and a half a brain can search for themselves. I guess it's a case of repeat something enough, and they will believe it. Do you listen to any media besides Fox or the Right wing blowhards ? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 18:40:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49558 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 01:40:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 01:40:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 01:40:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1978 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2008 01:40:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:40:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:40:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <616520.12510.qm@web31914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <921831.1852.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 2778 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=getp9mZRdZxGG_eij9FmnT9BNUnajsKo_TM2qbTkEemQ7g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Well, if ALL we talked about was AM Stereo, how many C-QUAM exciters do you honestly think will be switched back on because of it? Face it, we are a group of people with a common interest, and so far it hasn't had one iota of impact on the stations' decisions to abandon stereo. I also belong to a group of nuts who gather at a railroad depot to watch trains, discuss trains, and get their lungs full of locomotive exhaust. BUT, we also discuss politics, especially at this point in time when there is so much going on in our world of a political nature. We also play chess, chase DX stations half the night, and swap wild stories! If there is ANYBODY out there who thinks of nothing but AM Stereo all day long, and talks of nothing else, they are monomaniacal, and really need the services of a good head shrinker. Perhaps they suffer from split personality, with each half 90 degrees out of phase from the other! (Yeah, I suffer from PMX, my phase wobbles all over the place :>) ) ON THE OTHER HAND, I do understand that this group was founded on the common ground of AM Stereo, and that the lack of discussion of same could be a burr under the saddle of some... How's that for a diplomatic dance? George --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Michael and Ross wrote: > From: Michael and Ross > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 2778 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 8:32 PM > No wonder AM stereo is a failure.If 1/2 the idiots on this > list keep raving on about politics,then it will be a turn > off.Please keep it about radio as I am tired of 4 digests a > day of Crap.Thankyou. > > Michael > > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > The AM STEREO Forum > Messages In This Digest (25 Messages) > 1a. > Re: Where do stations get the music they play? From: > clemsonbloke > 1b. > Re: Where do stations get the music they play? From: > clemsonbloke > 1c. > Re: Where do stations get the music they play? From: > Powell E. Way III > 1d. > Re: Where do stations get the music they play? From: > mjgrant@aol.com > 1e. > Re: Where do stations get the music they play? From: > Powell E. Way III > 1f. > Re: Where do stations get the music they play? From: > george russell > 1g. > Re: Where do stations get the music they play? From: > george russell > 1h. > Re: Where do stations get the music they play? From: > mjgrant@aol.com > 1i. > Re: Where do stations get the music they play? From: > Possum Hunter > 2a. > Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE From: W6YN Don > Milbury > 2b. > Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE From: MTGC > CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO > 2c. > Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE From: kevin > redding > 2d. > Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE From: > mjgrant@aol.com > 2e. > Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE From: > mjgrant@aol.com > 2f. > Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE From: kevin > redding > 2g. > Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE From: george > russell > 2h. > Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE From: george > russell > 3a. > Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo From: > george russell > 3b. > Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo From: > kevin redding > 3c. > Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo From: > george russell > 3d. > Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo From: > Powell E. Way III > 3e. > Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo From: > mjgrant@aol.com > 3f. > Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo From: > mjgrant@aol.com > 3g. > Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo From: > Powell E. Way III > 3h. > Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo From: > george russell > View All Topics | Create New Topic > Messages > 1a. > Re: Where do stations get the music they play? > Posted by: "clemsonbloke" clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk > clemsonbloke Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:31 am (PDT) Well up > through 90s they came in on CDs. Nowadays increasingly > things are done over the internet since most businesses now > have blazing fast internet. Business internet speed is > different from home cable. Cable may be fast but the up and > down speed is different. In businesses theres speed that is > equal up and down meaning if say the speed was 10 megabytes > per second download its that same speed upload. At home > with cable its different. You buy say 5 meg download per > second but your upload speed is only around 256 kilobyte. > The business and corporate internet is quite fast, most > likely much faster in most than my example. These days all > music is posted on a hard drive so it makes sense to send > them internet. It's also quick to get a brand new song > out nationally, it's almost instant. The last time I > checked most > stations I knew of were using 320 kbps MP2 files. Yeah I > said MP2. MP3 is more popular with the kids and all but the > MP2 > standard is still a more broadcast standard. Heres a basic > wikipedia explanation of MP2: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-1_Audio_Layer_II > > Hope that helps. Things do change fast in the industry, > sometimes almost overnight. Newer coding methods are being > investigated and rolled out all the time. Of course anyone > could theoretically use any format they wanted. These days > if you hear a record playing on the radio, even with the > crackles and pops, it still may be a computer file. Someone > may have just direct transferred it without that crackle and > pop cleanup that some programs will do. The problem with > some of those programs is that sometimes they mute out some > of the music if the crackle and pop is too bad on a record. > I heard Bill playing a song the other week on WNMB and it > had some crackles and pops and I couldn't help but > wonder if it was a real turntable playing or if he had put > it into the system as an MP2 or something. I think he has a > turntable though in the studio. At any rate radio is still > fun, just different technology. Many of us miss the old > records or CD's > being played but when it gets down to it its the music. > You have to admit theres some good rock and roll music thats > been put out since the 1950's! The fun is all in the > music! > > -Kevin > > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, mjgrant@aol.com > wrote: > > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 10:52 PM > > Not having been in broadcasting since Nixon was in the > White House, can > anyone tell me how broadcast stations get the music they > play? I mean the media > and in what form. > > In the old days, 45s and LPs came in the mail from the > record companies at > the college station. In real radio, they were hand > delivered by a guy who > looked like he cornered the market on Brylcream and combed > his hair with a > butterknife. > > Just wondering. > > Mike > > ************ ** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos. aol.com/cars- BMW-128-2008/ expert-review? > ncid=aolaut00050 000000017 ) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (11) > > 1b. > Re: Where do stations get the music they play? > Posted by: "clemsonbloke" clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk > clemsonbloke Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:37 am (PDT) Another > note on that. I can't remember which companies the > stations buy the music through for download but theyre are > different companies than the ones consumers use. > > > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, clemsonbloke > wrote: > > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they > play? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 7:31 AM > > Well up through 90s they came in on CDs. Nowadays > increasingly things are done over the internet since most > businesses now have blazing fast internet. Business > internet speed is different from home cable. Cable may be > fast but the up and down speed is different. In businesses > theres speed that is equal up and down meaning if say the > speed was 10 megabytes per second download its that same > speed upload. At home with cable its different. You buy > say 5 meg download per second but your upload speed is only > around 256 kilobyte. The business and corporate internet is > quite fast, most likely much faster in most than my example. > These days all music is posted on a hard drive so it makes > sense to send them internet. It's also quick to get a > brand new song out nationally, it's almost instant. The > last time I checked most stations I knew of were using 320 > kbps MP2 files. Yeah I said MP2. MP3 is more popular with > the kids and all but the MP2 > standard is still a more broadcast standard. Heres a basic > wikipedia explanation of MP2: > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ MPEG-1_Audio_ Layer_II > > Hope that helps. Things do change fast in the industry, > sometimes almost overnight. Newer coding methods are being > investigated and rolled out all the time. Of course anyone > could theoretically use any format they wanted. These days > if you hear a record playing on the radio, even with the > crackles and pops, it still may be a computer file. Someone > may have just direct transferred it without that crackle and > pop cleanup that some programs will do. The problem with > some of those programs is that sometimes they mute out some > of the music if the crackle and pop is too bad on a record. > I heard Bill playing a song the other week on WNMB and it > had some crackles and pops and I couldn't help but > wonder if it was a real turntable playing or if he had put > it into the system as an MP2 or something. I think he has a > turntable though in the studio. At any rate radio is still > fun, just different technology. Many of us miss the old > records or CD's > being played but when it gets down to it its the music. > You have to admit theres some good rock and roll music thats > been put out since the 1950's! The fun is all in the > music! > > -Kevin > > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, mjgrant@aol. com com> wrote: > > From: mjgrant@aol. com > Subject: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they play? > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 10:52 PM > > Not having been in broadcasting since Nixon was in the > White House, can > anyone tell me how broadcast stations get the music they > play? I mean the media > and in what form. > > In the old days, 45s and LPs came in the mail from the > record companies at > the college station. In real radio, they were hand > delivered by a guy who > looked like he cornered the market on Brylcream and combed > his hair with a > butterknife. > > Just wondering. > > Mike > > ************ ** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos. aol.com/cars- BMW-128-2008/ expert-review? > ncid=aolaut00050 000000017 ) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (11) > > 1c. > Re: Where do stations get the music they play? > Posted by: "Powell E. Way III" w4opw@yahoo.com > W4OPW Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:05 am (PDT) > We get a weekly CD from our music service. It covers all > formats, so maybe one to 3 cuts are ok. Let's say this. > Any modern FM station that uses MP2 format is asking for > trouble. There is simply NO need and NO excuse for doing so. > It will cause problems as analog STL's are going away or > have already done so. You want everything to be linear > audio, and that's the way it needs to be delivered. > Multiple digital encoding and decoding streams in your > broadcast plant is a recipe for disaster. > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (11) > > 1d. > Re: Where do stations get the music they play? > Posted by: "mjgrant@aol.com" mjgrant@aol.com > grant_at_hardscrapple Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:51 am (PDT) > Powell, > > Are the CD's from your music service regular analog or > digital files in some > kind of format? > > Mike > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (11) > > 1e. > Re: Where do stations get the music they play? > Posted by: "Powell E. Way III" w4opw@yahoo.com > W4OPW Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:08 am (PDT) comments below > quoted > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, mjgrant@aol.com > wrote: > > , August 12, 2008, 12:51 PM > > Powell, > > > > Are the CD's from your music service regular > analog or > > digital files in some kind of format? > > > > Regular CD's. Will play in CD player. Everything on a > CD is digital.... you mean compressed.... well not > compressed. > > Powell > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (11) > > 1f. > Re: Where do stations get the music they play? > Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo.com > wlx1430 Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:24 am (PDT) I remember the > Brylcream guy...he's the same one that delivered certain > presidential portraits and powdered substances to the PDs > and DJs, and I believe a refrigerator you mentioned before. > :>) G > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, mjgrant@aol.com > wrote: > > > From: mjgrant@aol.com > > Subject: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they > play? > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 10:52 PM > > Not having been in broadcasting since Nixon was in the > White > > House, can > > anyone tell me how broadcast stations get the music > they > > play? I mean the media > > and in what form. > > > > In the old days, 45s and LPs came in the mail from the > > record companies at > > the college station. In real radio, they were hand > > delivered by a guy who > > looked like he cornered the market on Brylcream and > combed > > his hair with a > > butterknife. > > > > Just wondering. > > > > Mike > > > > > > ************** > > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in > your > > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > > > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > > ) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (11) > > 1g. > Re: Where do stations get the music they play? > Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo.com > wlx1430 Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:27 am (PDT) Yeah, but I > still miss backing up the old QRKs...and seeing how long I > could do it before the cue burns got out of hand! :>) G > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, clemsonbloke > wrote: > > > From: clemsonbloke > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music > they play? > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 7:31 AM > > Well up through 90s they came in on CDs. Nowadays > > increasingly things are done over the internet since > most > > businesses now have blazing fast internet. Business > > internet speed is different from home cable. Cable > may be > > fast but the up and down speed is different. In > businesses > > theres speed that is equal up and down meaning if say > the > > speed was 10 megabytes per second download its that > same > > speed upload. At home with cable its different. You > buy > > say 5 meg download per second but your upload speed is > only > > around 256 kilobyte. The business and corporate > internet > > is quite fast, most likely much faster in most than my > > example. These days all music is posted on a hard > drive so > > it makes sense to send them internet. It's also > quick > > to get a brand new song out nationally, it's > almost > > instant. The last time I checked most stations I knew > of > > were using 320 kbps MP2 files. Yeah I said MP2. MP3 > is > > more popular with the kids and all but the MP2 > > standard is still a more broadcast standard. Heres a > > basic wikipedia explanation of MP2: > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-1_Audio_Layer_II > > > > Hope that helps. Things do change fast in the > industry, > > sometimes almost overnight. Newer coding methods are > being > > investigated and rolled out all the time. Of course > anyone > > could theoretically use any format they wanted. These > days > > if you hear a record playing on the radio, even with > the > > crackles and pops, it still may be a computer file. > > Someone may have just direct transferred it without > that > > crackle and pop cleanup that some programs will do. > The > > problem with some of those programs is that sometimes > they > > mute out some of the music if the crackle and pop is > too bad > > on a record. I heard Bill playing a song the other > week on > > WNMB and it had some crackles and pops and I > couldn't > > help but wonder if it was a real turntable playing or > if he > > had put it into the system as an MP2 or something. I > think > > he has a turntable though in the studio. At any rate > radio > > is still fun, just different technology. Many of us > miss > > the old records or CD's > > being played but when it gets down to it its the > music. > > You have to admit theres some good rock and roll music > thats > > been put out since the 1950's! The fun is all in > the > > music! > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, mjgrant@aol.com > > wrote: > > > > From: mjgrant@aol.com > > Subject: {AMSF} Where do stations get the music they > play? > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 10:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not having been in broadcasting since Nixon was in the > > White House, can > > anyone tell me how broadcast stations get the music > they > > play? I mean the media > > and in what form. > > > > In the old days, 45s and LPs came in the mail from the > > record companies at > > the college station. In real radio, they were hand > > delivered by a guy who > > looked like he cornered the market on Brylcream and > combed > > his hair with a > > butterknife. > > > > Just wondering. > > > > Mike > > > > ************ ** > > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in > your > > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > > > (http://autos. aol.com/cars- BMW-128-2008/ > expert-review? > > ncid=aolaut00050 000000017 ) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (11) > > 1h. > Re: Where do stations get the music they play? > Posted by: "mjgrant@aol.com" mjgrant@aol.com > grant_at_hardscrapple Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:25 pm (PDT) In > a message dated 8/12/08 1:28:09 PM Central Daylight Time, > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > Yeah, but I still miss backing up the old QRKs...and > seeing how long I > > could do it before the cue burns got out of hand! > :>) G > > > > I suppose you could slip cue a CD. I've seen new > jukeboxes that have a > modified 45 rpm mechanisms and a laser pickup in what looks > like a jukebox phono > arm. > > Mike > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (11) > > 1i. > Re: Where do stations get the music they play? > Posted by: "Possum Hunter" > thepossumhunter@gmail.com ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Tue Aug > 12, 2008 4:05 pm (PDT) > On Aug 11, 2008, at 10:52 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > can anyone tell me how broadcast stations get the > music they play? > > They get it from Music Service companies. Jones supplies > most stations > the music. They can deliver over on Audio CD, .Wav files on > CD, mp2 > files on CD, or via satellite. > > Kevin > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (11) > > 2a. > Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE Posted by: > "W6YN Don Milbury" w6yn@juno.com w6yn Tue Aug > 12, 2008 10:51 am (PDT) Democratic Party Tells Hillary > Delegates: SHUT UP OR ELSE > Clinton supporters being subjected to a form of > "Fairness Doctrine." > > E-mail challenges Clinton backer; she wonders where free > speech went > By Allison Sherry > The Denver Post > Article Last Updated: 08/12/2008 06:14:09 AM MDT > > Sacha Millstone of Boulder has hired a lawyer after a > Democratic Party e-mail ordered her to come to headquarters > and explain disparaging remarks she made about Barack Obama. > A Clinton supporter, she hired an attorney who wrote the > party asking for the rules that allow the party to threaten > a person's removal from the state delegation. Party > officials say the issue has been dropped. (RJ Sangosti, file > photo ) > > The Colorado Democratic Party would like Boulder delegate > Sacha Millstone, who is devoted to Sen. Hillary Rodham > Clinton, to give up her spot as a delegate to the Democratic > National Convention. > > Party officials said Monday that they won't insist > Millstone resign. But in an e-mail last week, Billy Compton, > state political director of the Colorado Democratic Party, > ordered Millstone into his office to explain disparaging > comments she made about Barack Obama. > > Compton said the party had received a complaint about > Millstone from another delegate. > > "You are hereby directed to come in to the party > Headquarters and explain your comments and why you should > remain a national delegate to the 2008 Democratic National > Convention in light of these comments," the letter > said. > > Millstone, who has hired a lawyer, was infuriated. > > "Isn't there a right to free speech? Isn't > this right in line with our time-honored tradition with the > Dems?" she said. "These intimidation tactics have > a chilling effect on people feeling comfortable speaking > up." > > Millstone's lawyer wrote Compton asking for the rules > that allow the party to threaten removal from the state > delegation. > > State party officials said Monday that the issue has been > dropped. > > "We wanted to explore with Ms. Millstone the > possibility of her voluntarily resigning her position," > Compton said. "I simply wanted to discuss the matter > with her." > > This week's back and forth underscores the escalating > tension across the country among Clinton delegates. > > Most loyal to Clinton say they simply want their vote for > her to count at the convention, and then they'll get > behind Obama before his acceptance speech at Invesco Field > on Aug. 28. > > "It's inevitable within a party of this size that > there will be different views about the merits of the > candidates that the parties put forward," said Daniel > Kagan, a delegate representing Denver. > > Kagan, who is circulating a petition among delegates > nationally to get Clinton's name on the convention > ballot, said it's "autocratic" of the party to > force support of one candidate. > > "It's ludicrously overambitious and an > unattractive goal," he said. > > Though Clinton could agree for her name to appear on the > ballot, party insiders say that is unlikely. > > A delegate from Wisconsin, Debra Bartoshevich, was kicked > off her state's delegation after she vowed to support > Republican presidential front runner Sen. John McCain when > Clinton suspended her campaign. > > Natalie Wyeth, a spokeswoman for the Democratic National > Convention Committee, said she was unaware of any other such > cases. > > Obama campaign spokeswoman Shannon Gilson issued a > statement Monday saying it was the campaign's > "priority to ensure Ms. Millstone's delegate status > was not in jeopardy." > > State Democratic Party chair Pat Waak, who said it would be > nice to have a united delegation when 50,000 conventioneers > arrive in Colorado, called the Millstone matter > "moot." > > "We're getting too near the convention, and > she's refused to come in," Waak said. > > Any effort to intimidate Clinton supporters won't work, > at least not on at-large Clinton delegate Sonya Jaquez > Lewis, who lives in unincorporated Boulder County. > > "It makes me angry," Jaquez Lewis said. "It > makes me want to now really be even louder about issues and > concerns that before I was willing to look the other > way." > > Allison Sherry: 303-954-1377 or asherry@denverpost.com > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (8) > > 2b. > Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE Posted by: > "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" > mtgc@hotmail.com mtgc09161948 Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:59 am > (PDT) > I have to ask...What the H**L does this have to do with AM > Stereo in any way, shape, form or fashion? > > MTGC (Michael) > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: w6yn@juno.comDate: > Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:48:56 +0000Subject: {AMSF} Fairness > Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE > > Democratic Party Tells Hillary Delegates: SHUT UP OR > ELSEClinton supporters being subjected to a form of > "Fairness Doctrine."E-mail challenges Clinton > backer; she wonders where free speech wentBy Allison > SherryThe Denver PostArticle Last Updated: 08/12/2008 > 06:14:09 AM MDTSacha Millstone of Boulder has hired a lawyer > after a Democratic Party e-mail ordered her to come to > headquarters and explain disparaging remarks she made about > Barack Obama. A Clinton supporter, she hired an attorney who > wrote the party asking for the rules that allow the party to > threaten a person's removal from the state delegation. > Party officials say the issue has been dropped. (RJ > Sangosti, file photo )The Colorado Democratic Party would > like Boulder delegate Sacha Millstone, who is devoted to > Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, to give up her spot as a > delegate to the Democratic National Convention.Party > officials said Monday that they won't insist Millstone > resign. But in an e-mail last week, Billy > Compton, state political director of the Colorado > Democratic Party, ordered Millstone into his office to > explain disparaging comments she made about Barack > Obama.Compton said the party had received a complaint about > Millstone from another delegate."You are hereby > directed to come in to the party Headquarters and explain > your comments and why you should remain a national delegate > to the 2008 Democratic National Convention in light of these > comments," the letter said.Millstone, who has hired a > lawyer, was infuriated."Isn't there a right to free > speech? Isn't this right in line with our time-honored > tradition with the Dems?" she said. "These > intimidation tactics have a chilling effect on people > feeling comfortable speaking up."Millstone's lawyer > wrote Compton asking for the rules that allow the party to > threaten removal from the state delegation.State party > officials said Monday that the issue has been > dropped."We wanted to explore with Ms. Millstone the > possibility of her > voluntarily resigning her position," Compton said. > "I simply wanted to discuss the matter with > her."This week's back and forth underscores the > escalating tension across the country among Clinton > delegates.Most loyal to Clinton say they simply want their > vote for her to count at the convention, and then > they'll get behind Obama before his acceptance speech at > Invesco Field on Aug. 28."It's inevitable within a > party of this size that there will be different views about > the merits of the candidates that the parties put > forward," said Daniel Kagan, a delegate representing > Denver.Kagan, who is circulating a petition among delegates > nationally to get Clinton's name on the convention > ballot, said it's "autocratic" of the party to > force support of one candidate."It's ludicrously > overambitious and an unattractive goal," he said.Though > Clinton could agree for her name to appear on the ballot, > party insiders say that is unlikely.A delegate from > Wisconsin, Debra Bartoshevich, was > kicked off her state's delegation after she vowed to > support Republican presidential front runner Sen. John > McCain when Clinton suspended her campaign.Natalie Wyeth, a > spokeswoman for the Democratic National Convention > Committee, said she was unaware of any other such > cases.Obama campaign spokeswoman Shannon Gilson issued a > statement Monday saying it was the campaign's > "priority to ensure Ms. Millstone's delegate status > was not in jeopardy."State Democratic Party chair Pat > Waak, who said it would be nice to have a united delegation > when 50,000 conventioneers arrive in Colorado, called the > Millstone matter "moot.""We're getting > too near the convention, and she's refused to come > in," Waak said.Any effort to intimidate Clinton > supporters won't work, at least not on at-large Clinton > delegate Sonya Jaquez Lewis, who lives in unincorporated > Boulder County."It makes me angry," Jaquez Lewis > said. "It makes me want to now really be even louder > about issues and concerns that before > I was willing to look the other way."Allison Sherry: > 303-954-1377 or asherry@denverpost.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (8) > > 2c. > Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE Posted by: > "kevin redding" big_h00pla@yahoo.com big_h00pla > Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:07 am (PDT) > On Aug 12, 2008, at 5:48 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > > Kagan, who is circulating a petition among delegates > nationally to > > get Clinton's name on the convention ballot, said > it's "autocratic" > > of the party to force support of one candidate. > > Generally the GOP and the Dems both do this. They look for > unanimity. > > There is no surprise here. > > Kevin > Adamsville, TN > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (8) > > 2d. > Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE Posted by: > "mjgrant@aol.com" mjgrant@aol.com > grant_at_hardscrapple Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:06 pm (PDT) In > a message dated 8/12/08 12:59:49 PM Central Daylight Time, > mtgc@hotmail.com writes: > > > I have to ask...What the H**L does this have to do > with AM Stereo in any > > way, shape, form or fashion? > > It's a Republican scam by, ironically, Clinton haters > who have preached for > years that Hillary is either the Anti-Christ or the Whore > of Babylon. How it > relates to AM Stereo is that it is intended to put the > Republicans back in > power so they can sell the rights to the U.S. airwaves to > China. We all know how > "quality conscious" China is and their rigorous > standards. By 2010, AM > broadcasting would make an Edison wax cylinder sound like > Dolby Surround 5.1. > > Mike > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (8) > > 2e. > Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE Posted by: > "mjgrant@aol.com" mjgrant@aol.com > grant_at_hardscrapple Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:12 pm (PDT) In > a message dated 8/12/08 1:07:59 PM Central Daylight Time, > big_h00pla@yahoo.com writes: > > > Generally the GOP and the Dems both do this. They look > for unanimity. > > > > There is no surprise here. > > > > Kevin > > Adamsville, TN > > > > Keven, > > Are you and brother Al the only rational folks left in the > Volunteer State? > > Can we get back to figuring out how to make WSM and WLAC go > AM Stereo? > > Mike > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (8) > > 2f. > Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE Posted by: > "kevin redding" big_h00pla@yahoo.com big_h00pla > Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:31 pm (PDT) > Are you and brother > Al the only rational folks left in the > > Volunteer State? > > Well, I work as an Election Officer. Thats as high as it > gets for > people who do work full time for the county election > office. There > really are Democrats in Tennessee. My neighbor just rain > unsuccessfully for State Rep for District 71 as a Democrat. > > > Can we get back to figuring out how to make WSM and > WLAC go AM Stereo? > > I talked to Watt Hairston the CE at WSM a while back. He > said that > there was not going to be any HD radio at WSM. Thats the > good news. > He also said there was not enough AM stereo radios to make > it worth > their while to put AM stereo on when they changed to the > latest > transmitter a few years back. > > WLAC is already on the dark side. They are in HD. Once in > every 63 > billion I can get them to decode for a few moments. I live > about 125 > miles away from Nashville. > > Kevin > Adamsville, TN > Pray for me to recieve a good paying job > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (8) > > 2g. > Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE Posted by: > "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo.com wlx1430 Tue > Aug 12, 2008 4:15 pm (PDT) We have FMs around here that > sound like that...G > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, mjgrant@aol.com > wrote: > > > From: mjgrant@aol.com > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 3:06 PM > > In a message dated 8/12/08 12:59:49 PM Central > Daylight > > Time, > > mtgc@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > > I have to ask...What the H**L does this have to > do > > with AM Stereo in any > > > way, shape, form or fashion? > > > > It's a Republican scam by, ironically, Clinton > haters > > who have preached for > > years that Hillary is either the Anti-Christ or the > Whore > > of Babylon. How it > > relates to AM Stereo is that it is intended to put the > > Republicans back in > > power so they can sell the rights to the U.S. airwaves > to > > China. We all know how > > "quality conscious" China is and their > rigorous > > standards. By 2010, AM > > broadcasting would make an Edison wax cylinder sound > like > > Dolby Surround 5.1. > > > > Mike > > > > > > ************** > > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in > your > > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > > > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > > ) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (8) > > 2h. > Re: Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE Posted by: > "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo.com wlx1430 Tue > Aug 12, 2008 4:16 pm (PDT) That's simple...feed the > left to WSM and the right to WLAC! > OK, I'll go back in my cage now...G > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, mjgrant@aol.com > wrote: > > > From: mjgrant@aol.com > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 3:12 PM > > In a message dated 8/12/08 1:07:59 PM Central Daylight > Time, > > > > big_h00pla@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > > Generally the GOP and the Dems both do this. They > look > > for unanimity. > > > > > > There is no surprise here. > > > > > > Kevin > > > Adamsville, TN > > > > > > > Keven, > > > > Are you and brother Al the only rational folks left in > the > > Volunteer State? > > > > Can we get back to figuring out how to make WSM and > WLAC go > > AM Stereo? > > > > Mike > > > > > > ************** > > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in > your > > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > > > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > > ) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (8) > > 3a. > Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo Posted > by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo.com wlx1430 > Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:21 am (PDT) Well, you would a be big > improvement over the one we have now, > and a HELL of an improvement over the one before that! > Michael Powell was so in the pockets of big radio, it was > sickening. > He once said "The purpose of the FCC is to protect the > interests of the broadcasters"...WHAT?!? G > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, mjgrant@aol.com > wrote: > > > From: mjgrant@aol.com > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion > of AM Stereo > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 10:00 PM > > In a message dated 8/11/08 4:37:17 PM Central Daylight > Time, > > > > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > > Mike, you hit a whole BOX of nails squarely on > the > > head...AMEN! G > > > > > Maybe Barack will appointment me chair of the FCC. > > > > Mike > > > > > > ************** > > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in > your > > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > > > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > > ) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (17) > > 3b. > Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo Posted > by: "kevin redding" big_h00pla@yahoo.com > big_h00pla Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:28 am (PDT) > On Aug 12, 2008, at 1:21 PM, george russell wrote: > > > He once said "The purpose of the FCC is to > protect the interests of > > the broadcasters"...WHAT?!? > > The Public Airwaves.... what were WE thinking? > > Kevin > Adamsville, TN > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (17) > > 3c. > Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo Posted > by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo.com wlx1430 > Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:34 am (PDT) Yes, I'm sure > there's no truth to the rumor that when Michael passes > away, he want's his ashes distributed through the air > ducts at Clear Channel! > G > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, kevin redding > wrote: > > > From: kevin redding > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion > of AM Stereo > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 2:28 PM > > On Aug 12, 2008, at 1:21 PM, george russell wrote: > > > > > He once said "The purpose of the FCC is to > > protect the interests of > > > the broadcasters"...WHAT?!? > > > > The Public Airwaves.... what were WE thinking? > > > > Kevin > > Adamsville, TN > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (17) > > 3d. > Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo Posted > by: "Powell E. Way III" w4opw@yahoo.com W4OPW > Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:45 am (PDT) Michael Powell was > appointed to the FCC by Bill Clinton! > > Powell.... the REAL one! > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, george russell > wrote: > > >> Well, you would a be big improvement over the one > we have > > now, > > and a HELL of an improvement over the one before that! > > Michael Powell was so in the pockets of big radio, it > was > > sickening. > > He once said "The purpose of the FCC is to > protect the > > interests of the broadcasters"...WHAT?!? G > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (17) > > 3e. > Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo Posted > by: "mjgrant@aol.com" mjgrant@aol.com > grant_at_hardscrapple Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:20 pm (PDT) > Say what you want about Michael Powell, but at least he is > guy who didn't > rely on his father to get him a job. He also did one heck > of a job fact-checking > his father's presentation on Iraq to the United > Nations. Way to go, Mikey! > > Who decided to forego the AMS requirement for Extended Band > AM stations? > Couldn't the owners afford it? Maybe the owners > couldn't afford the electric > bill for all those 10,000 watts, either. The FCC should > help them out there as > well and reduce their power to something they could better > afford, like 100mW. > > Mike > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (17) > > 3f. > Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo Posted > by: "mjgrant@aol.com" mjgrant@aol.com > grant_at_hardscrapple Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:32 pm (PDT) In > a message dated 8/12/08 1:45:45 PM Central Daylight Time, > w4opw@yahoo.com > writes: > > > Michael Powell was appointed to the FCC by Bill > Clinton! > > Need I say more? Now if you were to say Al Gore, that would > upset me. > > Mike > The Number 1 Fan of the Man from Tennessee > > ************** > Looking for a car > that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read > reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (17) > > 3g. > Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo Posted > by: "Powell E. Way III" w4opw@yahoo.com W4OPW > Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:38 pm (PDT) It was NEVER a > requirement, but a plus to get the station. > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, mjgrant@aol.com > wrote: > > > > > Who decided to forego the AMS requirement for Extended > Band > > AM stations? > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (17) > > 3h. > Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo Posted > by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo.com wlx1430 > Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:13 pm (PDT) I wondered how long before > you pointed that out...my stopwatch didn't run down yet, > hah-hah! Just proves even great presidents aren't > perfect...G > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Powell E. Way III > wrote: > > > From: Powell E. Way III > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion > of AM Stereo > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 2:44 PM > > Michael Powell was appointed to the FCC by Bill > Clinton! > > > > > > Powell.... the REAL one! > > > > > > > > NNNN > > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, george russell > > wrote: > > > > >> Well, you would a be big improvement over the > one > > we have > > > now, > > > and a HELL of an improvement over the one before > that! > > > Michael Powell was so in the pockets of big > radio, it > > was > > > sickening. > > > He once said "The purpose of the FCC is to > > protect the > > > interests of the broadcasters"...WHAT?!? G > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (17) > > > > Recent Activity > > 2 > New Files > > Visit Your Group > Star Wars on Y! > Discover new content > Connect with other > fans & upload video. > > Yahoo! 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Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > > > > > > Michael&Ross > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Aug 12 18:49:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38696 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 01:49:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 01:49:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 01:49:11 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.239] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080812204857102096900010.0) with SMTP id <20080812204857102096900010> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:48:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <028701c8fce7$5c819420$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <517096D6-F236-4560-A947-EF460AD39E13@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:48:57 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=sV5o4crrej-uiPA7h8jKh7NcJ0RtIsn6Up4k3glEo9uyJToCGCUZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can't even get that right. To update something JFK said, I have a hard time recognizing my position as stated by Kevin Redding. No, true conservatives aren't for exploiting others. We believe in compassion but it is an individual thing and we don't trust the government to do it for us. Even Thomas Jefferson said he couldn't put his finger on the part of the Constitution that would allow for the government to take from one citizen to give to another even for charitable purposes. Of course ol' TJ is only good for "separation of church and state" and little else. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 7:12 AM Conservatives can't see that helping others and not exploiting people will help the whole world but instead they seem to have the attitude, "I got mine and you aren't getting in on even being able to work to get some for yourself too." --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Aug 12 19:00:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3380 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 02:00:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 02:00:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 02:00:16 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.239] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080812205940100262200010.0) with SMTP id <20080812205940100262200010> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:59:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <02a001c8fce8$dbe6b000$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:59:40 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=1u_K9kxC7wqu5pRKBUAAJWyvPnFuyxw8e7QxNaqUX-fbTD9LR1U6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your ideas have some merit- a minor amount of re-regulation wouldn't be a bad thing. But where I'd disagree in part is killing off duopolies entirely. Before they became legal we had a few stations with halfway decent signals that were dark. Allowing duopolies brought them back to life. As far as reinstating channel classes, if we ever did go back to that they'd have to be extensively modified because so many cities had outgrown the signals that were serving them. That's why the old system was scrapped. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 11:46 PM Subject: {AMSF} The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo I have musing over the issue. Promotion of AM Stereo first requires the promotion of AM radio. I recently rented a car, actually a truck, with Sirius satellite radio. Just like cable television, 90% or more of the channels were junk. Just something to fill the bandwidth for the sake of just filling the bandwidth. It's a case of one's reach (bandwidth) exceeding one's grasp (the ability to profitably program it with quality content). The key words are quality content. This is going to ruffle some feathers, but I believe there are just too many AM stations operating too many hours. Listenership and sponsorship is simply too fragmented and diluted to promote quality programming which I believe is the key to reviving the media. Coverage and quality of signal is meaningless unless it is carrying something a sufficient number of people are willing to tune in. Audience, which translates into ad revenue, is a product of geographic coverage and market share within that area. In my opinion, station ownership started diverting too much ad revenue into profit inside of programming. Programming suffered and market share declined taking down ad revenue with it. To make up for the drop in overall ad revenue, an even higher percentage had to be diverted to sustain profits and programming suffered even more. It started a vicous cycle which accounts for much of AM radio today. For the sake of economy, more and more bandwidth is carrying the same programming. Thus, commercial AM radio has become very monolythic. To illustrate my point, add up the nightime carrier power the stations carrying Hannity or C2C and the population within their primary service areas compared to other programming. I believe when one has reached a dead end, as AM radio is bordering on, the best course is to retrace one's steps back to when things started down the wrong path. In doing so, I found profound wisdom in the original regulatory scheme envisioned for commercial AM radio. High power Primary Class IA stations to serve large portions of the country from major metropolitan areas at night. Secondary Class II stations to provide regional and local coverage beyond the reach of the dominant stations during during the day. Medium power Regional Class III stations to provide day and evening coverage to regional population centers. Finally, lower power Local Class IV stations to serve small communities. It made sense. It worked. However, serving the public took a back seat to profits in the 1980s. Deregulation was the craze that swept broadcasting as it swept the airlines, savings and loans, mortgage banking, securities, and corporate govenance. The result was short term boasts in profits at the expense of the ruination of industry. Greed, and the money that went with it, went from one industry to the next, sucking the live out of each before moving on, leaving a path of devastation in its wake. I believe we need to return to the original regulatory scheme, including bans on multiple station ownership within the same market as well as a limit on the total number of stations under common ownership. Second, I believe the number of secondary stations needs to be reduced during the evening hours to allow the dominant stations to re-assume their originally intended purpose. Lastly, in consideration of the increased electrical interference, the Rio Treaty needs to be revisted to allow superpower stations, perhaps 500kW or 1MW on the U.S. clear channels. The allocation of such stations would be based on the size of the metropolitan areas served. No entity could own more than one such station and there would be strictly enforced unique programming requirements that would have to be met. I came to like George's idea of superpower the more I thought about it. This would have to be coupled with increased frequency protection. Of course these stations would be required to be CQUAM AM Stereo. Does anyone know what the highest power CQUAM has been implemented on the air? Someone could dustoff some of the Amphiphase designs RCA did for Mexico. As the Aussie's proved, Ampliphase loves CQUAM right out of the box (or crate). As for the programming, once the potential for respectible ad revenues has been restored and demands for unique programming are imposed, quality programming will follow. If you build it, they will come. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. 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Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: On WBT this evening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=zYm_J7xd6rKYZsbbFiyGrpJ3jzm7CswjRuV-sYkmjhg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW During the John Hancock show he played a jingle: STEREO 1110 WBT........... 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(big_h00pla@75.120.200.124 with plain) by smtp126.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 02:12:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XEMnh.oVM1n3XppAwtMCVOD2Yn6Wqz97Z7Wn183H8Ucc2Obf_BSqJnU4jbv3Xr7.pwulMXHm3iFthKzGsuhRGpLavhv9rcwu62ggzVImGQGFlEqA0yAbIZONXcxQR7mOUOr6oACEAa5.1tgCA47eYNc- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <028701c8fce7$5c819420$d503fea9@stodd> References: <517096D6-F236-4560-A947-EF460AD39E13@yahoo.com> <028701c8fce7$5c819420$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:12:17 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.126.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=QM_srrPAubphHyO80yExJAHI1jDcZNtXo2iEc--IitVNpSYdWA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 12, 2008, at 8:48 PM, wrote: > Even Thomas Jefferson said he couldn't put his finger on the part > of the Constitution that would allow for the government to take > from one citizen to give to another even for charitable purposes. He sure did a good job of it by taking money not appropriated by congress to make the Louisiana Purchase. He is well known for taking money and spending what he did not have. Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Aug 12 19:14:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65596 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 02:14:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 02:14:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 02:14:50 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c5c.3116dc2f (14467) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:14:43 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fairness Doctrine: SHUT UP OR ELSE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=-Z-VC2-Erx9Uos-L2WWzNAxUdYsCjhTjJVOj8IZl6UrnJE9HnXW9tDmk17-0Z_9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don, Just walk into your local talker and mention the Fairness Doctine. See how long it takes them to call the cops. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Aug 12 19:15:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34745 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 02:15:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 02:15:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 02:15:07 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.239] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080812211444102292100010.0) with SMTP id <20080812211444102292100010> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:14:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <032201c8fcea$f6dec300$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:14:44 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Ne1Q2UsoJJc6_TmzCpu9-3F4Qd_4VpEHnXz2C2LxxwBgnAkVKrzw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ??? ST ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 7:01 AM Coupled with his "every engineer is wrong --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Aug 12 19:22:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48615 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 02:22:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 02:22:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 02:22:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.d03.3df1a1f5 (14467) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:22:37 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC and bandwidth hogs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=pBISjGcFJH12GlWl7g2M9h3OVJJWQCpomWW7iyDhl8aIavdr2YtfDUkEJW2u97nK X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It already is. The actual Internet itself, the backbone, is run by the Feds. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Aug 12 19:25:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11604 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 02:25:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 02:25:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fmailhost03.isp.att.net) (204.127.217.103) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 02:25:23 -0000 X-Received: from owner2d075f959 (adsl-10-237-103.mia.bellsouth.net[65.10.237.103]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20080813022116H03002cheoe>; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:21:16 +0000 To: References: <828779.16251.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <011b01c8f8f2$9c4b1700$d503fea9@stodd> <010c01c8f903$1d97b9c0$58c72d40$@net> <026e01c8fce6$2e666800$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <026e01c8fce6$2e666800$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:21:11 -0400 Organization: Q Media Hot 100, LAZR, 1003. KOOL Message-ID: <00d901c8fceb$41d1ed10$c575c730$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acj85Z9Hgh4AamydQQGy45CZ+CYVEwABSaxQ Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: 204.127.217.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "J Gualda Q Media" Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT- political; was- small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=EH1uZA7zd5iy7EG6RbaaPD7zEDSEuJP3WBFn7xDr5QjrDy8 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott Todd wrote: And do you read anything besides the Huffington Post? Took your advice and did a search and found these: ******Never heard of the Huffinton Post.********* You seem so familiar with it, tell us more. TRY AGAIN ! Juan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Aug 12 19:26:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53664 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 02:26:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 02:26:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 02:26:02 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c3d.3c183ffb (14467) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:25:21 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- political; was- small town radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=GX5yOZMWu6zrfd24F3ksCoRpgliO1v_Uf5esOpqk4SJrzgz-eTmCvzaQoQ90ZcFt X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/12/08 8:41:18 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > And do you read anything besides the Huffington Post? Took your advice and > did a search and found these: > Yes, I read the Daily Cos for balance. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Aug 12 19:29:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40679 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 02:29:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 02:29:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 02:29:07 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.d16.32a08185 (14467) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:28:58 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=cBy4c5n_N0KrChLZIOODuwllhj1cOgkG-RxaJnDLRSSnlPOmdbyDGspyLy6vDefp X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/12/08 8:49:21 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > Of course ol' TJ is only good for "separation of church and state" and > little else. > Thomas Jefferson was a wise man who learned from the progressive thinkers of his time. The ideas expressed in the Declaration of Independence were not original. Every good idea is worth borrowing. Perhaps we should emulate what TJ would do today and not what he did nearly 250 years ago. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 20:13:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5578 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 03:13:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 03:13:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 03:13:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3676 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2008 03:13:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:13:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:13:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <285969.2226.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=JuHiI9GuL4Z3NOE7i_YldyQvSbF7Gt8xZaVD7kvHwXo1bQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I'LL DRINK TO THAT! (Now where did I put that jug...) G --- On Tue, 8/12/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} RANT- How the attitudes on this list will kill AM stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 10:28 PM > In a message dated 8/12/08 8:49:21 PM Central Daylight Time, > > scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > > > > Of course ol' TJ is only good for "separation > of church and state" and > > little else. > > > Thomas Jefferson was a wise man who learned from the > progressive thinkers of > his time. The ideas expressed in the Declaration of > Independence were not > original. Every good idea is worth borrowing. Perhaps we > should emulate what TJ > would do today and not what he did nearly 250 years ago. > > Mike > > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 02:05:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79964 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 09:05:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 09:05:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.128) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 09:05:24 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n1.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2008 09:05:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2008 09:05:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2008 09:05:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:05:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.0.138 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: The Grant Plan for Promotion of AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Pc69hFEQEHOQyqb1PDfJNGwlBA3bKDCMq7WvjpmBWJ9pKLgB X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Who decided to forego the AMS requirement for Extended Band AM stations?=20=20 I'll repeat once again: THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN AMS REQUIREMENT FOR THE X-BAND!!! It's a PREFERENCE that would expedite consideration for an X-band license. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Aug 13 15:45:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96555 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2008 22:45:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2008 22:45:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.49) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 22:45:44 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2008 22:45:44 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2008 22:45:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2008 22:45:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:45:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.194.98.53 From: "Dave" Subject: Global Tuners - can we have c-quam ?! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=McN8aOLvp1z2ujY1ClYDlaBCPfbDVbABzN3BmDnepvW_Gh3o5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Nice to see the plethera of former dx tuners back at=20 http://www.globaltuners.com/ Would be quite 'cool' to have a c-quam decoder added to at least one of=20 the USA radios - one of Chris Cuff's kits ? Is it possible ? From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 19:25:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53554 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2008 02:25:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2008 02:25:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 02:25:17 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2008 02:25:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2008 02:25:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2008 02:25:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:25:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.13.78 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Global Tuners - can we have c-quam ?! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=3ZaDOh0jzAES6Aarw7wmeSEiRrDL9sduaaaNOr3twIhRlZq- X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > Nice to see the plethera of former dx tuners back at=20 > http://www.globaltuners.com/ >=20 > Would be quite 'cool' to have a c-quam decoder added to at least one of=20 > the USA radios - one of Chris Cuff's kits ? Is it possible ? > Seems like someone did have a Japan Radio NRC-545 hooked up online, but it wasn't a stereo feed. This was some time ago. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Who wishes someone would hack the Morphy Richards' firmware to add axtra modes, including ISB and C-QIUAM, not to mention NBFM....) From starship_2001@msn.com Thu Aug 14 03:55:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22675 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2008 10:55:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2008 10:55:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s5.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.141) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 10:55:12 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.21]) by bay0-omc2-s5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:55:11 -0700 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:55:11 -0700 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.4 by BAY131-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:55:06 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:55:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2008 10:55:11.0787 (UTC) FILETIME=[3978E7B0:01C8FDFC] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Radio Airchecks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=yV4ArxHSEz7tzgAo_Mjmalv2VygFrDfHCtc_IdAIB5P4S5CTIBG69LLMWw X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Came across this if anyone is interested in these http://community-2.webtv.net/@HH!EB!44!93438032309F/Miss_Peterpuffer/Radiospot/ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 07:38:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70727 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2008 14:38:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2008 14:38:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.226) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 14:38:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 39431 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Aug 2008 14:38:22 -0000 X-Received: from [70.109.195.49] by web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:38:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:38:22 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <288794.38313.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: 175kc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=bJ7pmIEDqg6L1l9cW9-37LiJH4jSIWYbKvB1jhRfoAzL0OXozKK_ X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are there any part 15 xmtrs. that can transmit C-QuAM on 175kc.?=A0 Here in= the U.S., we can operate with up to 1 watt input to the final amplifier st= age & into a 50ft. antenna (~15-16m) & thought it would be fun to load up m= y ham club's tower with a stereo signal on 175 L.W.!=A0 I know there's a ki= t by North Country that can transmit 100mW on 175 in mono but I thought thi= s would be more fun.=A0 Also while I'm on the subject, how about 13.56Mc.?= =A0 Any xmtrs. there? Thanx, Jay =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 22:53:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46250 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 05:53:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 05:53:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.140) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 05:53:02 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 05:53:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 05:53:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 05:53:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:53:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <288794.38313.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.9.247 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: 175kc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=TSVfOr8AH9rqP2MWooHoEz-42ZXk6BrIsGW_1uWq4C03rwaz X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Are there any part 15 xmtrs. that can transmit C-QuAM on 175kc.?=A0 Here in the U.S., we can operate with up to 1 watt input to the final amplifier stage & into a 50ft. antenna (~15-16m) & thought it would be fun to load up my ham club's tower with a stereo signal on 175 L.W.!=A0 I know there's a kit by North Country that can transmit 100mW on 175 in mono but I thought this would be more fun.=A0 Also while I'm on the subject, how about 13.56Mc.?=A0 Any xmtrs. there? >=20 I don't know of any who actually have done any form of analogue AM stereo in the 160-180kHz longwave band, and only one or two US Part-15 operators that have ever done music there at all in the last 15 years or so. There HAVE been AMS on shortwave, though- At least one broadcaster nearly 20 years ago, plus one Part-15 "pirate", and a few hams. I don't think the 13.5 MHz Part 15 window has been used, not sure. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From gowrone@gmail.com Thu Aug 14 22:59:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gowrone@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58162 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 05:59:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 05:59:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.173) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 05:59:05 -0000 X-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id e2so193555ugf.7 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:59:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.238.18 with SMTP id l18mr176479ugh.32.1218779944214; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [12.227.170.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm1121368ugf.63.2008.08.14.22.59.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:59:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:58:44 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Matthew Elliff Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 175kc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=285717100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i have a radioshack dx398 that receives lw. how can i receive it? i never hear even beakons with the telescopic whip it comes with. On Aug 15, 2008, at 12:53 AM, Amy Mousie wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > > > Are there any part 15 xmtrs. that can transmit C-QuAM on 175kc.? > Here in the U.S., we can operate with up to 1 watt input to the final > amplifier stage & into a 50ft. antenna (~15-16m) & thought it would be > fun to load up my ham club's tower with a stereo signal on 175 L.W.! > I know there's a kit by North Country that can transmit 100mW on 175 > in mono but I thought this would be more fun. Also while I'm on the > subject, how about 13.56Mc.? Any xmtrs. there? > > > > I don't know of any who actually have done any form of analogue AM > stereo in the 160-180kHz longwave band, and only one or two US Part-15 > operators that have ever done music there at all in the last 15 years > or so. > > There HAVE been AMS on shortwave, though- At least one broadcaster > nearly 20 years ago, plus one Part-15 "pirate", and a few hams. > > I don't think the 13.5 MHz Part 15 window has been used, not sure. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Thu Aug 14 23:17:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75895 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 06:17:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 06:17:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 06:17:30 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 2FDBB1800AFA for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:17:30 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.50) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 15 Aug 2008 06:17:12 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 10574164293; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:17:30 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:17:30 -0500 X-Received: from [71.185.147.64] by ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:17:30 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20080815061730.10574164293@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Airchecks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=65frsb8b2_3xUmFVkK9mwnstVZLmhtR0C_QMTz1EGVr8bW2KJzCt X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks! Got some interesting listening in there. The WABC air check gave me chills all over again. I will be sure to go there again. Have a good Friday & a great weekend.Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norbert 26" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Radio Airchecks Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:55:06 GMT Came across this if anyone is interested in these http://community-2.webtv.net/@HH!EB!44!93438032309F/Miss_Peterpuffer/Radiospot/ ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 04:10:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31174 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 11:10:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 11:10:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.233) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 11:10:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 39633 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2008 11:10:03 -0000 X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:10:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:10:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <700039.39084.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 175kc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=gtwoobdFbCsy09bj4mLqzq0YId35CJ9qaMYXzXKeLVJe9jzcOEYE X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Doesn't/didn't Kevin have a Part 15 S.W. A.M.S. station on 6.24 or somethin= g like that?=A0 Would the S.W. stereo station be "NDXE", circa 1986? =A0 It seems like a fun endeavor plus with the ham club's H.F. rig out of servi= ce right now, I wouldn't be upsetting anyone on 20m! =A0 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Amy Mousie wrote: From: Amy Mousie Subject: {AMSF} Re: 175kc. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 1:53 AM --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, JNR wrote: > > Are there any part 15 xmtrs. that can transmit C-QuAM on 175kc.?=A0 Here in the U.S., we can operate with up to 1 watt input to the final amplifier stage & into a 50ft. antenna (~15-16m) & thought it would be fun to load up my ham club's tower with a stereo signal on 175 L.W.!=A0 I know there's a kit by North Country that can transmit 100mW on 175 in mono but I thought this would be more fun.=A0 Also while I'm on the subject, how about 13.56Mc.?=A0 Any xmtrs. there? >=20 I don't know of any who actually have done any form of analogue AM stereo in the 160-180kHz longwave band, and only one or two US Part-15 operators that have ever done music there at all in the last 15 years or so. There HAVE been AMS on shortwave, though- At least one broadcaster nearly 20 years ago, plus one Part-15 "pirate", and a few hams. I don't think the 13.5 MHz Part 15 window has been used, not sure. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 05:04:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86016 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 12:04:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 12:04:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.213) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 12:04:44 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 12:04:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 12:04:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 12:04:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:04:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <700039.39084.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.9.247 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: 175kc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=pUqE_c9PpXQgxYj1FXQYgWWLl_DzZrUR9BmcO-7tTfiWyOoj X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Doesn't/didn't Kevin have a Part 15 S.W. A.M.S. station on 6.24 or something like that?=A0 Would the S.W. stereo station be "NDXE", circa 1986= ? > You're referring to Mr. Tekel- Too many Kevins in AMS!- and yes, that's the Part-15er I was referring to. As for NDXE, that never got off the ground, sadly, and was to have been by '91. The station, if I'm not mistaken, that DID broadcast in stereo was KUSW (now KTBN- stereo gear long since gone) in the Salt Lake city area. =20 Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 05:14:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45080 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 12:14:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 12:14:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.212) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 12:14:35 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 12:14:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 12:14:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2008 12:14:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:14:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.9.247 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: 175kc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=SEBsorvJR9c9TtDptACUx8cK1qf32aVQmqqRsNibDC6ZhYI_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Elliff wrote: > > i have a radioshack dx398 that receives lw. how can i receive it? i=20=20 > never hear even beakons with the telescopic whip it comes with. I've been lucky to have had greyline reception of a few LW broadcasters, as well as several beacons. I have a strong local RTTY at 292kHz. I've even heard the Omega navigation beacons around 100kHz.=20 The LW band is received via your receiver's ferrite loop antenna, unless you plug in an external antenna.=20 My radio is a Chinese-made Degen DE1103, which, despite some imaging issues, is the best darn LW/MW/SW/FM portable I've owned over the decades. I have had a DX-440 and DX-390 before this. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 05:25:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64847 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 12:25:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 12:25:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 12:25:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19012 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2008 12:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:25:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:25:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <626776.18952.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: 175kc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=LNGNArC1Zl0RzWJx1STTDYjscSYIj2lnQ1K5fgmIR4-YXZNBEWRn9r8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio You need to get a spool of 200' of magnet wire and run it outside down along the fences half way down the street to get a long enough antenna and then try it at 2am. Hopefully your local power utility isn't using BPL or even PLC (low freq radio data transmissions over their power lines). If the propagation is right, you should be able to get at least 2 or 3 beacons for sure. 73s From ke7ief@aol.com Fri Aug 15 06:58:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77036 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 13:58:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 13:58:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 13:58:51 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.bda.2e0bd93f (34979) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:58:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hanksmithpc1 (75-172-113-68.tukw.qwest.net [75.172.113.68]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA084-88a348a58b95178; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:58:46 -0400 Message-ID: <5D5D01979AFE4846B2428811F923A020@hanksmithpc1> To: References: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:58:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-AOL-IP: 75.172.113.68 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 175kc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=Zi6YPneHnu16_HTAF1ogCIwfnJ56L4ROPpC5EfKIjof8G6ceFUeB X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how far did he get out and what power? ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 5:04 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: 175kc. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Doesn't/didn't Kevin have a Part 15 S.W. A.M.S. station on 6.24 or something like that? Would the S.W. stereo station be "NDXE", circa 1986? > You're referring to Mr. Tekel- Too many Kevins in AMS!- and yes, that's the Part-15er I was referring to. As for NDXE, that never got off the ground, sadly, and was to have been by '91. The station, if I'm not mistaken, that DID broadcast in stereo was KUSW (now KTBN- stereo gear long since gone) in the Salt Lake city area. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 07:14:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42819 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 14:14:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 14:14:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 14:14:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49225 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2008 14:14:25 -0000 X-Received: from [64.223.49.22] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:14:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:14:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <861456.39708.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 175kc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=gMbVccvrbLd0zNPncczkqzz-OqQvyiCv3MKJxsYM11qHOQgjNHb8 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You noticed that too?=20 As for KUSW/KTBN, the license is still active but their frequencies were ta= ken by WRNO right? Now the biggie: from my understanding, the A.M. stereo regulations just app= ly to the standard broadcast band (or mediumwave if you prefer).=A0 So does= that mean that any system can be used on S.W. for stereo?=A0 I haven't see= n any restrictions in the 73.7XX section but have in, I think, 73.44 (which= is solely for 540-1700kc. broadcasting).=A0 Maybe TBN will accept $20 for = the KTBN S.W. license!=A0 Kick back in the stereo...O.K., now I need a cold= shower! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Amy Mousie wrote: From: Amy Mousie Subject: {AMSF} Re: 175kc. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:04 AM =20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, JNR = wrote: > > Doesn't/didn' t Kevin have a Part 15 S.W. A.M.S. station on 6.24 or something like that?=A0 Would the S.W. stereo station be "NDXE", circa 1986= ? > You're referring to Mr. Tekel- Too many Kevins in AMS!- and yes, that's the Part-15er I was referring to. As for NDXE, that never got off the ground, sadly, and was to have been by '91. The station, if I'm not mistaken, that DID broadcast in stereo was KUSW (now KTBN- stereo gear long since gone) in the Salt Lake city area. =20 Amy. <:3 )~~8~ =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Aug 15 07:57:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75050 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 14:57:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 14:57:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173001pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.1) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 14:57:19 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K5N00AGQDJ4KKA8@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:57:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:57:08 -0400 To: Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20080815061730.10574164293@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.1 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Airchecks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=dqLK445sHUwRbPnb88-nFw_usCB9GR5gJNGoRTBNbY5Mow X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, very interesting, good variety. If anyone has any interest in short aircheck clips from some Tampa and Orlando stations from the 1960s etc., these can be found at RadioYears.Com - Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Rouse To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 2:17 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Airchecks Thanks! Got some interesting listening in there. The WABC air check gave me chills all over again. I will be sure to go there again. Have a good Friday & a great weekend.Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norbert 26" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Radio Airchecks Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:55:06 GMT Came across this if anyone is interested in these http://community-2.webtv.net/@HH!EB!44!93438032309F/Miss_Peterpuffer/Radiospot/ ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Aug 15 07:59:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89366 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 14:59:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 14:59:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms042pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.42) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 14:59:57 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K5N00MOFDN6TV31@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:59:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:59:33 -0400 To: Message-id: <0A1A0686E61C47DCB72FB2D893715B37@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20080815061730.10574164293@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Airchecks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=T_MTm7nc2d2Hp2yiwECCORv9baNUuKtkOXCsuAHoC8R5EQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Correction - I should have included St. Petersburg also! Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick W To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:57 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Airchecks Thanks, very interesting, good variety. If anyone has any interest in short aircheck clips from some Tampa and Orlando stations from the 1960s etc., these can be found at RadioYears.Com - Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Rouse To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 2:17 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Airchecks Thanks! Got some interesting listening in there. The WABC air check gave me chills all over again. I will be sure to go there again. Have a good Friday & a great weekend.Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norbert 26" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Radio Airchecks Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:55:06 GMT Came across this if anyone is interested in these http://community-2.webtv.net/@HH!EB!44!93438032309F/Miss_Peterpuffer/Radiospot/ ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Aug 15 15:51:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49760 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2008 22:51:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2008 22:51:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.30) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 22:51:38 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1259539yxg.43 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:51:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.42.20 with SMTP id u20mr4727736ybj.70.1218840697469; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.94? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm990499yxd.2.2008.08.15.15.51.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <288794.38313.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:13:01 -0400 References: <288794.38313.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} 175kc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=7MykT84H0tluZBxo_D47uKONFtilQWJ11ilSxhKDWgMo3cDHkBwnaGGvQkLSnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 14, 2008, at 10:38 AM, JNR wrote: > Are there any part 15 xmtrs. that can transmit C-QuAM on 175kc.? The Alfredo Light. Kevin From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Aug 15 17:36:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30403 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 00:36:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2008 00:36:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 00:36:28 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.244] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080815193608100348100013.0) with SMTP id <20080815193608100348100013> for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:36:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00e801c8ff38$b30ec440$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <253924.38177.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:36:08 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} How to promote AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=glVHh2tl6ErdwVJYdn5JCZQTwXxOZz8L6Y47FF16pd6CXynZFviR X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have time to look up some names and addresses to make it easier? This is a super suggestion but I'm going to be tied up big time for the next few weeks. Whilst I'm here, I'd like to offer a couple of public apologies- To George, my comment in my reply at the end of your near rant wasn't made to be cute. I regret having said that and having publicly made the statement I publicly ask your forgiveness. To Kevin Redding, when I said I thought you were brilliant I was actually damning you with feined praise. Actually I do find you brilliant in many ways, having accomplished so much in much fewer years than I have. There is so much I don't fully understand about the human rubric and just because you have exhibited much talent doesn't mean you'd necessarily be able to start your own business and find your own work. I came to that conclusion when I considered myself. Even if I were to get rich by means of an online business, for example, whether I'd transition all that well from engineering to ownership/management is a huge question mark. In light of this I express my regrets and ask your forgiveness too. As for the rant itself, it didn't need to be so hostile even though I very much hold the basic premise. I'm surprised nobody brought up the point that they'd be voting for Obama because other things greater than AM stereo were at stake. Believe it or not I respect that position. Life is full of competing goods- even worker/shareholder. But since excesses are almost universally their own undoing, I happened to notice it's a buyers market in radio and was hoping to wake some folks up to that fact. I've also thought of another way to possibly get more stations to return or add stereo and it would involve less money and without full ownership or necessarily assuming management. Powell, I hope you don't mind my using you in this purely hypothetical example. Powell is getting ready to retire soon, and let's say he ends up making some big bucks working an online business. After getting his Silverstreet property fixed up the way he likes it, then sponsoring several needy children through something like Compassion International, he gets wind that his old employer needs to upgrade WKDK because the market is outgrowing the signal. Powell to the rescue. He offers the cash to make the upgrade in exchange for partial ownership. In addition he says "Oh, by the way, I'm chipping in to add AM stereo" and the light is restored to a previously dark part of the state. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Scott does have a valid point - what are we doing to promote AM stereo? I suggest that each of us write a real pen and paper letter (not email) to the HD radio manufacturers, and convince them that adding the code to their DSP chips to include C-Quam is something that they can give to their consumers at very low cost. Maybe we need to dig a layer deeper, and write to the actual chip manufacturers? If the NEW CQuam radios are out there, we might be able to get just a few of the old pilots back on. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Aug 15 17:50:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58552 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 00:50:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2008 00:50:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 00:50:26 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.244] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080815195002100777600010.0) with SMTP id <20080815195002100777600010> for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:50:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <010301c8ff3a$a3ed8ee0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <288794.38313.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:50:02 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 175kc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=UZ7BQksMK1MV9AYLMysVWgbEXQqJTQ9Si-5VN9BKvo7IgMZFH17x X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've got a friend of mine that wants to try it but it'll be a few years before he has a place with enough land to try it. No reason the Alfredo Lite couldn't be modified to work at that frequency. It would be pretty much limited to the filter chokes and caps between stages, though there is one other modification to the design I'd make. I'd eliminate the last NE602 chip and the chain of linear amplifiers that follow it. Instead I'd amplify the QUAM signal to the 1W level and class-D modulate (PDM, if you will) the final amps. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: AMSF Are there any part 15 xmtrs. that can transmit C-QuAM on 175kc.? Here in the U.S., we can operate with up to 1 watt input to the final amplifier stage & into a 50ft. antenna --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 17:56:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88883 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 00:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2008 00:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.145) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 00:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2008 00:56:41 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.71] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2008 00:56:45 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2008 00:56:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 966349.60913.bm@omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 28012 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 00:56:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.120.192.219 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 00:56:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VOw5PkIVM1l5Iik7164zIbDgkAiw3tHOIAZ8A6vFWmrBs9cT8VEa7csJdt6io3hOEjsBDkiO9Pj8VIjhxXkFgmZLF9uF6cS7OHgYSY0XK9ejnFadQIjRHxbqZv5oulWyJw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <00e801c8ff38$b30ec440$d503fea9@stodd> References: <253924.38177.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00e801c8ff38$b30ec440$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8272D811-6A7E-4AC2-89B6-E0262CA5877B@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:56:43 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.145 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} How to promote AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=0EEbpuhqnW5mRvLy3OblUFbxiJCjp9nDBZ7ww2HQJk-XjfoEvA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > To Kevin Redding, when I said I thought you were brilliant I was > actually damning you with feined praise. Actually I do find you > brilliant in many ways, having accomplished so much in much fewer > years than I have. I was just considering an online business with my neighbor. Don't know if I am going to do it with him. I could do a lot more but life gave me something that I just have to deal with. Since being married, my wife was permanently disabled. She was quite healthy when we first married but things happen. It limits my ability a lot but I made the promise that I would stand by for better or worse. It is something that can not be changed. I can not blame her nor anyone else. Life is what it is and we deal with what we get. No one ever said it would be easy. All we get out of the deal is a free trip around the sun once a year if we survive 365 days. I could have a lot more money in life were her situation not to have happened, but I don't think I could look at myself in the mirror if I did not do as I have done. There is a lot to say for having a clear conscience. > In light of this I express my regrets and ask your forgiveness too. There was never any harm taken and no need to be forgiven. No harm no foul. I know you to be a good person, we just disagree completely on politics. Its not a big deal. We do agree on getting stereo back on the MW band though. I could even live with IBOC stereo if the stations would up the power on digital and stop hybrid. I wish they would just go digital and get it over with. When I can decode an IBOC station in stereo on MW, they sound pretty good. I would be glad to see C-QUAM since its backwardsly compatible and not so destructive as IBOC hybrid. As we all know on MW we all know HD really stands for Highly Destructive Radio. That said, you and I were always ok. You are a good guy even if you are a Republican. :) Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 18:06:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42812 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 01:06:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2008 01:06:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.42) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 01:06:56 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n15.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2008 01:06:53 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.251] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2008 01:06:53 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2008 01:06:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 37148.48212.bm@omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 82485 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 01:06:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.120.192.219 with plain) by smtp118.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 01:06:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YN3U5zUVM1msavg6lRr9ChAYYeV2ZWO5J32071tipYfMUg8kFhEke0q_e3VXk8wpXibZd1HmsmERFlu20lsXFM5BzhVTqN6OE_Rv0_VSxe7zmqfakGBdXvRCWnGpK5mg.A-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <010301c8ff3a$a3ed8ee0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <288794.38313.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <010301c8ff3a$a3ed8ee0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1B74F4A4-72A7-44B0-A1E2-A429F0A9FB5C@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:06:51 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} 175kc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=1rfkWm_PHiV6d42QbcfVhsVJaJ_ieS4hYzCdN50X_ULcqUeZjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I'd eliminate the last NE602 chip and the chain of linear > amplifiers that follow it. Instead I'd amplify the QUAM signal to > the 1W level and class-D modulate (PDM, if you will) the final amps. At 1W and that freq, there is a lot of juice going through that antenna. The RF voltage down there is TREMENDOUS. You will easily be able to light a neon bulb with just 1W. Kevin From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Aug 15 18:09:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86797 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 01:09:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2008 01:09:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 01:09:43 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.244] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080815200933103129000010.0) with SMTP id <20080815200933103129000010> for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:09:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <015201c8ff3d$5de78100$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <253924.38177.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00e801c8ff38$b30ec440$d503fea9@stodd> <8272D811-6A7E-4AC2-89B6-E0262CA5877B@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:09:33 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} How to promote AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=8Qhvx9lkQTvmTkLcXEsMdJqznNpN3vB-mdlzqdi4dZFCOBEq6Iaj X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for those kind words. I figured that as long as cheap shots continue to be beneath our dignity, we can pound the table over our differences and still keep this a strong group. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com There was never any harm taken and no need to be forgiven. No harm no foul. I know you to be a good person, we just disagree completely on politics. Its not a big deal. [snip] That said, you and I were always ok. You are a good guy even if you are a Republican. :) --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 13:34:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85252 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 20:34:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2008 20:34:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 20:34:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14181 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Aug 2008 20:34:42 -0000 X-Received: from [72.241.177.103] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:34:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:34:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <335095.13906.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=598dmmiduiUASS7C9Ab5N4HVNnxt4SrAmDL0QaDg32W3rf0HtFMOmYI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Has anybody here heard STEREO-HD-AM on their HD radio? WJR has turned-off their HD all the time now, as they were the only one I've heard in stereo-HD-AM - it was OKAY at best, but not nearly as good as their CQuam once was. J From gowrone@gmail.com Sat Aug 16 13:37:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gowrone@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30136 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 20:37:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2008 20:37:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.174) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 20:37:19 -0000 X-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id e2so61881ugf.28 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:37:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.67.115.2 with SMTP id s2mr2112010ugm.49.1218919035182; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [12.227.170.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 40sm845754uge.62.2008.08.16.13.37.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <335095.13906.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:36:51 -0500 References: <335095.13906.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Matthew Elliff Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=285717100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i've heard the radio disney station in kans city. sounded pretty good when i could get it. usually the hd would go into mono. if i either held it or moved it around i could get it some. i wasn't near a window at the time so i wasn't getting good results on my hd100. On Aug 16, 2008, at 3:34 PM, John P. wrote: > Has anybody here heard STEREO-HD-AM on their HD radio? > > WJR has turned-off their HD all the time now, as they were the only > one I've heard in stereo-HD-AM - it was OKAY at best, but not nearly > as good as their CQuam once was. > > J > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 16:15:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10747 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 23:15:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2008 23:15:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n77.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.45) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 23:15:42 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n77.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2008 23:15:42 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2008 23:15:42 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.73] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2008 23:15:42 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2008 23:15:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 211199.68741.bm@omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 7031 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2008 23:15:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@72.161.197.52 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2008 23:15:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: g_Skv5IVM1kA7csEfu9OVO6fjkpke8vv_pR.ZtAkA22txLmR5eM0WgAPclF_NiPYGLHpCNQ6RydCK5IxfIC_PqGoujjCEg.GyeI__FsoEI7dKVeiCDP1vfRbiPjkPTPTsw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <335095.13906.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <69B5F1F6-D21C-4F92-8C54-E785AB67E7B0@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:15:40 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=QD-xEU-wnX-BRtBMUN41Iu5H9uAf9iNyPHwabCcDgewK6gKU8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla >> Has anybody here heard STEREO-HD-AM on their HD radio? Absolutely. I have heard KFYI, KTAR, KMVP, KSL, and KMIK all in AM HD Stereo and it sounded good on the talkers but better on KMIK with music on R. Disney. Kevin Adamsville, TN From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Aug 16 22:59:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96885 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2008 05:59:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2008 05:59:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 05:59:21 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c1a.46773fe2 (41812) for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:59:19 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 175kc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=q6-p5m6ev_mSJ3_ZpRDfMW_xSKOkkzrebLYqPnFU5P5DqJsEGEnD4tqWietnxE8e X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, my experimental transmitter would work just great at 175 kc. In fact, you could get by with just Advanced CMOS instead of ECL. A hexfet driver would probably work for the output at that frequency to deliver a full watt with about 10W of PEP capability. A watt into a 50 ft. antenna sounds like alot but in going through the numbers, I am not certain it would be as effective as 100 mW into a 10 ft. antenna at 1700 khz. At 175 khz, a 50 ft. antenna has zip for radiation resistance. Mike ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 23:10:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93486 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2008 06:10:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2008 06:10:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 06:10:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22875 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Aug 2008 06:10:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:10:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:10:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <783785.21995.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} 175kc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=R40EqmTtGdXrXj0QeTvtG16lbejZ2nZmfArRcB2jlp440A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Time to get the coil winder running! G --- On Sun, 8/17/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} 175kc. > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 1:59 AM > Actually, my experimental transmitter would work just great > at 175 kc. In > fact, you could get by with just Advanced CMOS instead of > ECL. A hexfet driver > would probably work for the output at that frequency to > deliver a full watt > with about 10W of PEP capability. > > A watt into a 50 ft. antenna sounds like alot but in going > through the > numbers, I am not certain it would be as effective as 100 > mW into a 10 ft. antenna > at 1700 khz. > > At 175 khz, a 50 ft. antenna has zip for radiation > resistance. > > Mike > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 > ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Sun Aug 17 03:22:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64215 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2008 10:22:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2008 10:22:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.167) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 10:22:13 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.15]) by bay0-omc2-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:22:10 -0700 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:22:10 -0700 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.4 by BAY131-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:22:06 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:22:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2008 10:22:10.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[1BAC1DC0:01C90053] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=GBPuMSi17dxd2bA1aekzZcmM4gO6pSQWq5K-R9NIHo-GugiS61edqEYFyw X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 i once heard a ball game on a local talker. it was OK but not as good as analog stereo. -----Original Message----- From: John P. Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:34 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? Has anybody here heard STEREO-HD-AM on their HD radio? WJR has turned-off their HD all the time now, as they were the only one I've heard in stereo-HD-AM - it was OKAY at best, but not nearly as good as their CQuam once was. J ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 10:47:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42360 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2008 17:47:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2008 17:47:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2008 17:47:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20611 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Aug 2008 17:47:16 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.34] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:47:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:47:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <335095.13906.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <496123.14930.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=u3alOmi9HX_ez2jlLPJrnPHBLUOQXl9ojNveBdIDxj0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I only get WLAC to decode occasionally. Mono and it sounds as tubby as their analog audio with wider bandwidth. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 8/16/08, John P. wrote: > WJR has turned-off their HD all the time now, as they were > the only one I've heard in stereo-HD-AM - it was OKAY at > best, but not nearly as good as their CQuam once was. From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Aug 17 19:59:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39261 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 02:59:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 02:59:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 02:59:50 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.cf3.3d0bca90 (37127) for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:59:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.141]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA021-910748a8e59a3e2; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:59:38 -0400 X-Received: from webmail-md04 (webmail-md04.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.142]) by smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA026-5c5048a8e59645; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:59:34 -0400 References: <783785.21995.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:59:34 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 4.245.17.115 In-Reply-To: <783785.21995.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38265-STANDARD X-Received: from 4.245.17.115 by webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.142) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:59:34 -0400 Message-Id: <8CACEF593DE0762-EB4-3420@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 175kc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=p4Ai8Kc-UomlTzn27BSDeckPzvaGMaA14eBLi27c30OleQ_4ifly9Xg5A1eLSPuc X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George, ? To have a loading inductor that can resonate a 50 ft. vertical radiator at 175 khz without consuming all the input power in the resistance of its windings, rather than getting the coil winder running, you most likely meant get the tubing bender bending. ? Mike -----Original Message----- From: george russell <wlx1430@yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:10 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} 175kc. Time to get the coil winder running! G --- On Sun, 8/17/08, mjgrant@aol.com <mjgrant@aol.com> wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com <mjgrant@aol.com> > Subject: Re: {AMSF} 175kc. > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 1:59 AM > Actually, my experimental transmitter would work just great > at 175 kc. In > fact, you could get by with just Advanced CMOS instead of > ECL. A hexfet driver > would probably work for the output at that frequency to > deliver a full watt > with about 10W of PEP capability. > > A watt into a 50 ft. antenna sounds like alot but in going > through the > numbers, I am not certain it would be as effective as 100 > mW into a 10 ft. antenna > at 1700 khz. > > At 175 khz, a 50 ft. antenna has zip for radiation > resistance. > > Mike > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 > ) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Aug 17 20:06:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39999 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 03:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 03:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 03:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.cce.37e91f42 (37129) for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:06:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA023-910948a8e73e322; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:06:38 -0400 X-Received: from webmail-md04 (webmail-md04.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.142]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA014-5c4648a8e73626e; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:06:30 -0400 References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:06:31 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 4.245.17.115 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38265-STANDARD X-Received: from 4.245.17.115 by webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.142) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:06:31 -0400 Message-Id: <8CACEF68C490B60-EB4-3448@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=E1hltfuZGC15zvc_W7LBGIg8fofk5ZtqnHB0kyo84rZwcmBo8aihxd7Ve42C9EZG X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew, ? How far are you from Kansas City?? I get a classical music AM Stereo station just barely here in St. Louis on 1660 at dusk before they reduced power. ? Have you been around long enough to remember when WHB was Top 40? ? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Elliff <gowrone@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 1:36 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? i've heard the radio disney station in kans city. sounded pretty good when i could get it. usually the hd would go into mono. if i either held it or moved it around i could get it some. i wasn't near a window at the time so i wasn't getting good results on my hd100. On Aug 16, 2008, at 3:34 PM, John P. wrote: > Has anybody here heard STEREO-HD-AM on their HD radio? > > WJR has turned-off their HD all the time now, as they were the only > one I've heard in stereo-HD-AM - it was OKAY at best, but not nearly > as good as their CQuam once was. > > J > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Aug 17 20:08:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38219 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 03:08:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 03:08:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 03:08:20 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.cab.32642202 (37120) for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:08:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA016-910048a8e79a391; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:08:10 -0400 X-Received: from webmail-md04 (webmail-md04.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.142]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA026-5bb748a8e793bf; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:08:03 -0400 References: <69B5F1F6-D21C-4F92-8C54-E785AB67E7B0@yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:08:03 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 4.245.17.115 In-Reply-To: <69B5F1F6-D21C-4F92-8C54-E785AB67E7B0@yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38265-STANDARD X-Received: from 4.245.17.115 by webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.142) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:08:03 -0400 Message-Id: <8CACEF6C334F2AE-EB4-3451@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=OnQC69iScz1IgyczMeRSteuPYNrUCckemRZGt1JCmZ3GxqSBUpR2sg0Ngadk69FA X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, ? You can get KSL in Tennessee?? If so, what kind of antenna are you using? ? Mike -----Original Message----- From: kevin redding <big_h00pla@yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 4:15 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? >> Has anybody here heard STEREO-HD-AM on their HD radio? Absolutely. I have heard KFYI, KTAR, KMVP, KSL, and KMIK all in AM HD Stereo and it sounded good on the talkers but better on KMIK with music on R. Disney. Kevin Adamsville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 20:10:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95051 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 03:10:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 03:10:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.220) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 03:10:34 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.225] by n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 03:10:28 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.249] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 03:10:33 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 03:10:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 971733.69951.bm@omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 47442 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 03:10:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@72.161.197.52 with plain) by smtp126.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 03:10:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZE88HX4VM1lC4Iw4zEaYn7pu1kWdZ949suQqM6lsgZAHBsmGXu9p6bkdXpEzW1paq.eCwbSZjW_R675arPfG9zh7YbnK8xwTEvdW5aJI2GOZ.BGkwnTtuFcwfYtLQ79HpbF5yGmqEyDa0DPP82JC950- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <8CACEF593DE0762-EB4-3420@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> References: <783785.21995.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CACEF593DE0762-EB4-3420@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1891F361-09B5-45A3-AC96-DA6943678290@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:10:32 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} 175kc. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=SBEDm3n-Cownhh6bnaROfX-jYa1xYobx2Kszy2QQdtInonWFQg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 17, 2008, at 9:59 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > To have a loading inductor that can resonate a 50 ft. vertical > radiator at 175 khz without consuming all the input power in the > resistance of its windings, rather than getting the coil winder > running, you most likely meant get the tubing bender bending. I gots lotta white hairs so if I forget stuff, ya just gotta chalk it up. I had a beacon on 186kc. at one time. It was HOT. Good calls for Phoenix. It only got out about 8 miles. I had about 20 turns of 1/4" copper tubing wrapped around a 5 gallon plastic bucket on top of a 6' square of copper mesh about an inch deep in the ground. In fact the antenna was that same copper tubing at the end of the coil at 10' long. I put about a 3' copper wire in 4 places at the top for a capacity top hat. I was running one watt when I had it back in the mid 90s. That one watt would easily light a neon bulb near it. At one watt and 186 kc. there is some serious voltage on that antenna. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 20:23:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52361 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 03:23:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 03:23:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.49) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 03:23:44 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n30.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 03:23:41 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.251] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 03:23:41 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 03:23:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 125080.65507.bm@omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 24573 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 03:23:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@72.161.197.52 with plain) by smtp127.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 03:23:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 08FbLkUVM1nLRRNFeam6YVHjohV1xvjFU2nZH6J_qj6SU1KoxSs2tO9fxxRiLGmIHsGOciwt6X3sYZmW1q81B9PtYxNylFtJLqjQ_l1gXHBv7HTonZtg2BL2IcbxjmxR3Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <8CACEF6C334F2AE-EB4-3451@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> References: <69B5F1F6-D21C-4F92-8C54-E785AB67E7B0@yahoo.com> <8CACEF6C334F2AE-EB4-3451@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:23:39 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=piUSitSdoZIAUb1UzPbWiO-Qgt1aRYz1moMwIz1puwe7M3tMug X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > You can get KSL in Tennessee?? If so, what kind of antenna are you > using? Yeah, but its ultra weak and hammered by some station in Chicago, I think. I usually use a Kenwood R-1000 and a 225' wire pointed to the northeast for more serious DX. I have a small amount of acreage here that helps. I could make the antenna longer but have to wait until I get another job to buy mega lengths of coax to do it. The R-1000 is a seriously old radio. I bought it back in 1978. I have radios way older, Zenith TOs and even some from the 1930s but the R-1000 was the first serious DXer I bought. I use this one outside at night on the porch because I power it with a battery and its in a steel case and is built like a tank. I have a Sony 2010 that I use with a Q-Stick Pro which is a shotgun ferrite antenna or a passive RS loop. You can still get the Q-stick for about $50 but the RS loop is history. I use that for moderately serious DX. For casual DX I use an Eton E-1XM. Its on the whip and has no ferrite so it is not directional like your car radio. I think I got KSL on that radio on my bedside. When the R-1000 dies, I suspect this will take its place when I go out on the porch to DX. I really, really, really, really, really like this radio. At first I was ambivalent towards it but the more I use it, the better it gets. It didn't want to sync up in FM stereo at first but the more I used it, the better it got and always seems to sync into stereo now. All of these radios are capable of pulling in KSL on a good night. All will pull in 850 KOA as well. I would like to hear KNX or KFI out here but not able to as of yet. Maybe in the winter. I might be able to get KSL here on an old DX-440 as well but haven't tried that one Kevin From gowrone@gmail.com Sun Aug 17 20:40:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gowrone@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21933 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 03:40:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 03:40:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.168) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 03:40:19 -0000 X-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so294730uge.17 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:40:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.67.95.4 with SMTP id x4mr3309121ugl.16.1219030818755; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [12.227.170.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g30sm5786540ugd.61.2008.08.17.20.40.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <91F10127-2BC0-43BB-99F1-B6DE709F6C2E@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CACEF68C490B60-EB4-3448@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:39:52 -0500 References: <8CACEF68C490B60-EB4-3448@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Matthew Elliff Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=285717100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i'm in springfield. i can get 1660 sort of from here but not stereo. no i wasn't but i've heard that it was and i'd like to someday hear recordings of it. i'm 26. On Aug 17, 2008, at 10:06 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Matthew, > > ? > > How far are you from Kansas City?? I get a classical music AM Stereo > station just barely here in St. Louis on 1660 at dusk before they > reduced power. > > ? > > Have you been around long enough to remember when WHB was Top 40? > > ? > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matthew Elliff <gowrone@gmail.com> > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 1:36 pm > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? > > i've heard the radio disney station in kans city. sounded pretty good > > when i could get it. usually the hd would go into mono. if i either > > held it or moved it around i could get it some. i wasn't near a window > > at the time so i wasn't getting good results on my hd100. > > On Aug 16, 2008, at 3:34 PM, John P. wrote: > > > Has anybody here heard STEREO-HD-AM on their HD radio? > > > > > > WJR has turned-off their HD all the time now, as they were the > only > > > one I've heard in stereo-HD-AM - it was OKAY at best, but not > nearly > > > as good as their CQuam once was. > > > > > > J > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Aug 18 12:49:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13428 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 19:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 19:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 19:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c3d.3cd60360 (37588) for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:49:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hanksmithpc1 (75-172-103-69.tukw.qwest.net [75.172.103.69]) by cia-mb06.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB061-92d448a9d238297; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:49:13 -0400 Message-ID: To: References: <335095.13906.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 03:16:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-AOL-IP: 75.172.103.69 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=7TPF6rorvL8L0CaH2TlZMLtBEmwrhH5wkV71dQMSYw7g2uKFyv5P X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there is suposivly some hd stereo stations in tucson az will try to sample some once I get in town. where I at in boonies stations are really hard to pull in hd wise ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Elliff To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:36 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? i've heard the radio disney station in kans city. sounded pretty good when i could get it. usually the hd would go into mono. if i either held it or moved it around i could get it some. i wasn't near a window at the time so i wasn't getting good results on my hd100. On Aug 16, 2008, at 3:34 PM, John P. wrote: > Has anybody here heard STEREO-HD-AM on their HD radio? > > WJR has turned-off their HD all the time now, as they were the only > one I've heard in stereo-HD-AM - it was OKAY at best, but not nearly > as good as their CQuam once was. > > J > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Aug 18 15:07:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54940 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 22:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 22:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 22:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.bdb.31e86dca (29679) for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:06:49 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=KLxGW_NEW9YcPaFHmZWTCejOldE8iVxygbW1A1jr0oZL9gZTYxH9yAWBhbDB4Vwm X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Kevin. I was thinking about a giant loop. In Southern Arkansas a 225 ft. longwire is more of a lightning catcher than anything else. KFI despite its power and dial advantage has site problems, particularly its ground system. KOA comes in fairly strong in St. Louis. We have a 5 kW daytimer on 850 and when it signs off, KOA is right there. Needless to say, WSM, WLAC, and WWL burn into Southern Arkansas at night. However, I was looking for some Air America outlet. Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 15:18:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51700 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 22:18:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 22:18:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.93) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 22:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.29] by n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 22:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.75.192] by t2.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 22:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp108.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 22:18:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 519361.80344.bm@omp108.mail.re1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 30424 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 22:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@72.161.197.52 with plain) by smtp106.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 22:18:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QX6t2tUVM1n9SAjTgP_KYSSLIDULLe8EiVpvRdmqOT9pKdSiD5okjrj_o_R4plW1MDxaOSlTqNcO4Pd9OenWru1HqX50z_WgijV82kwavgoSoYsU0E.ML7ayF3MusBhKkFMAv_a2lLGTo1lAP8jQoZY- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:18:39 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=E05skLkYwaADa0gjdLYGlWA_opiSnBVfGiz6RdoaL3_eed2Rsg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 18, 2008, at 5:06 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > However, I was looking for some Air America outlet. www.novamradio.com Listen all ya want. Air America streams too. You can get Nova M and Air America on XM 167. I love it. Kevin West Tennessee From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Aug 18 15:26:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63777 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 22:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 22:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 22:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.cfa.3e7e30ae (29679) for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:26:50 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=sKdXWvPe4iWkCku0RiIjng8u4YcOkK8GzG9Ax1JzydA68QwCqTlkfIK5xn4WgcAa X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe there are some WHB airchecks around. Unfortunately, their directional array nulled to the southeast towards Springfield which was somewhat in a hole in Storz's Midwest coverage. KXOK in St. Louis didn't have the reach at 5 kW even with its dial advantage at 630 khz. KOMA in Oklahoma City could be heard in Viet Nam with its 50 kW power but it was all concentrated to the West. I remember swimming at the Lockwood community pool in the early 60s and they had WHB on the PA. It had some static, but it made me think Kansas City was the Emerald City in Oz. Bigger than life. Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. 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( [12.227.170.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i39sm6679584ugd.47.2008.08.18.15.30.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:30:14 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Matthew Elliff Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=285717100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cool. my dad could pick up a station in coffeeville ks (no idea what one) wls, i believe whb, pretty certain there. think kaay too. my mom could get the ones listed not sure about coffeeville. maybe their were others that they didn't know about? also i can't find a thing about the springfield radio market history/airchecks. very annoying. On Aug 18, 2008, at 5:26 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I believe there are some WHB airchecks around. Unfortunately, their > directional array nulled to the southeast towards Springfield which > was somewhat in a > hole in Storz's Midwest coverage. KXOK in St. Louis didn't have the > reach at > 5 kW even with its dial advantage at 630 khz. KOMA in Oklahoma City > could be > heard in Viet Nam with its 50 kW power but it was all concentrated > to the > West. > > I remember swimming at the Lockwood community pool in the early 60s > and they > had WHB on the PA. It had some static, but it made me think Kansas > City was > the Emerald City in Oz. Bigger than life. > > Mike > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel deal here. > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Mon Aug 18 15:35:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95802 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 22:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 22:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 22:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail07.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.147]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABELV8H5A3RBFXA for (sender ); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:34:35 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDyZSysAKE2TrcaaY2Uvc2+k= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail07.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NSWNB26S; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:34:19 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.209.32] by webmail07.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:34:00 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:34:00 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080818.153400.6301.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 3:5:2683457623 X-MAIL-INFO:034d09bd4d3d0d8195108195846d04719d95b574d9302514553925d9e4b5b98029ed6d3471a1b971bdc975843da140e1054490e9313d20adf99d2544e4e020f190f0a92520f98d41a0c950 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.147|webmail07.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=4RpWRczBeXFD_b9WDs0q_kCMgl2btXQincWuSyW2zQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Dozens of other listeners love it also! Don -- kevin redding wrote: On Aug 18, 2008, at 5:06 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > However, I was looking for some Air America outlet. www.novamradio.com Listen all ya want. Air America streams too. You can get Nova M and Air America on XM 167. I love it. Kevin West Tennessee From w6yn@juno.com Mon Aug 18 15:49:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64223 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 22:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 22:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 22:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail07.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.147]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABELV9EQAUR8YAS for (sender ); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:49:50 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDyiEoBD+uWSKhX5SGLKXzlg= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail07.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NSWN7ENB; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:49:15 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.209.32] by webmail07.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:48:51 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:48:51 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080818.154851.6301.2@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 3:5:2947957 X-MAIL-INFO:4a79c1d5fd9dcd5184c9a0c1cdad054d652901 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.147|webmail07.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=I0vBtMhIGJJma2R366yYIVucyWbaPVRw072IJYAmqA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn For about the last 3 years KFI has been running 25kW to a standby stick. Th= e regular antenna has been reinstalled and the station should return to ful= l power operation in about a month. Don -- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: Thanks, Kevin. I was thinking about a giant loop. In Southern Arkansas a 225 ft. longwire= =20 is more of a lightning catcher than anything else. KFI despite its power and dial advantage has site problems, particularly it= s=20 ground system. KOA comes in fairly strong in St. Louis. We have a 5 kW=20 daytimer on 850 and when it signs off, KOA is right there. Needless to say, WSM, WLAC, and WWL burn into Southern Arkansas at night. = =20 However, I was looking for some Air America outlet. Mike From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Aug 18 15:59:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22099 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 22:59:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 22:59:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 22:59:51 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c78.3b26b55e (37072) for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:59:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hanksmithpc1 (75-172-103-69.tukw.qwest.net [75.172.103.69]) by cia-db05.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB056-90d048a9fedf3; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:59:44 -0400 Message-ID: <50000AF7377C4C7DAEA1BE8786EB1848@hanksmithpc1> To: References: <20080818.154851.6301.2@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 06:27:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-AOL-IP: 75.172.103.69 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=wY0jcn8559OoGWf4bofDkCfU0Rru2AK6MfumbY7KPAHIV5wxKNC1 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ooooooooo perhaps I could pick it up in az then? ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:48 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? For about the last 3 years KFI has been running 25kW to a standby stick. The regular antenna has been reinstalled and the station should return to full power operation in about a month. Don -- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: Thanks, Kevin. I was thinking about a giant loop. In Southern Arkansas a 225 ft. longwire is more of a lightning catcher than anything else. KFI despite its power and dial advantage has site problems, particularly its ground system. KOA comes in fairly strong in St. Louis. We have a 5 kW daytimer on 850 and when it signs off, KOA is right there. Needless to say, WSM, WLAC, and WWL burn into Southern Arkansas at night. However, I was looking for some Air America outlet. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gowrone@gmail.com Mon Aug 18 16:01:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gowrone@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40413 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 23:01:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 23:01:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.175) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 23:01:07 -0000 X-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so270451ugf.25 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:01:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.250.1 with SMTP id x1mr4325449ugh.83.1219100466414; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [12.227.170.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s8sm467605uge.15.2008.08.18.16.01.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2E2E5A77-C1B2-48C8-86DC-D980D35266D2@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <50000AF7377C4C7DAEA1BE8786EB1848@hanksmithpc1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:00:38 -0500 References: <20080818.154851.6301.2@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <50000AF7377C4C7DAEA1BE8786EB1848@hanksmithpc1> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Matthew Elliff Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=285717100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i've never been able to snag a thing from that part of the country here in mo. On Jan 2, 2001, at 8:27 AM, hank smith wrote: > ooooooooo > perhaps I could pick it up in az then? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: W6YN Don Milbury > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:48 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? > > For about the last 3 years KFI has been running 25kW to a standby > stick. The regular antenna has been reinstalled and the station > should return to full power operation in about a month. > > Don > > -- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Thanks, Kevin. > > I was thinking about a giant loop. In Southern Arkansas a 225 ft. > longwire > is more of a lightning catcher than anything else. > > KFI despite its power and dial advantage has site problems, > particularly its > ground system. KOA comes in fairly strong in St. Louis. We have a 5 kW > daytimer on 850 and when it signs off, KOA is right there. > > Needless to say, WSM, WLAC, and WWL burn into Southern Arkansas at > night. > However, I was looking for some Air America outlet. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 16:59:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54987 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 23:59:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2008 23:59:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 23:59:10 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 23:59:06 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.245] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 23:59:09 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2008 23:59:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 798644.90212.bm@omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 39382 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 23:59:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@72.161.197.52 with plain) by smtp119.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2008 23:59:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TZPd0gcVM1mM.4bn3s1xHhGxvKOhnnS2D_9VX96BxaLQE.h_0R6.zVqJxE_KD6Xhq3oQ8wxFnksHUKDiKuZz6i2mYhi0QvJZdui1XVVqzSPTp5NLLQa_Pio0vaX_Q_BHwA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <50000AF7377C4C7DAEA1BE8786EB1848@hanksmithpc1> References: <20080818.154851.6301.2@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <50000AF7377C4C7DAEA1BE8786EB1848@hanksmithpc1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4ABFD7E7-E46D-4D1C-B692-3610FF2122DD@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:59:07 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=rxyuwgLuEFJvU9nbZIhHiiKVxBGlP-5wC33QZLDqyKgrH56CYg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Jan 2, 2001, at 8:27 AM, hank smith wrote: > perhaps I could pick it up in az then? Yeah, I just left there and you could pick it up on your fillings. If you have a good antenna, you can hear it 24/7. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 17:00:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81318 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 00:00:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 00:00:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n73a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.45.20) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 00:00:27 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n73.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 00:00:27 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 00:00:27 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.66] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 00:00:27 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 00:00:27 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 735023.59442.bm@omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 11724 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 00:00:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@72.161.197.52 with plain) by smtp114.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 00:00:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7uoQItAVM1nF2OsdlzBcShvHwUjRk0PdiUray3.cLQEKAZrZcIbu1v31xPhkMmPaU1bQhf4W0o7f3NgldWKO26TY3GBAI0gaPjDGJJ_rvhnw89fPxKTf4VKsF.99dseoeQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3ECB24F4-5C69-4F30-AE30-26681B82F641@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:00:25 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 98.136.45.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=5VHcrlP96ZymsW0y8xsQy-sL6qRv6xayE7PFHAP1rAVRkkNyog X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla That would be KGGF. You can hear them in Phoenix and Adamsville, TN. Kevin Adamsville, TN On Aug 18, 2008, at 5:30 PM, Matthew Elliff wrote: > cool. my dad could pick up a station in coffeeville ks (no idea what > one) From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 17:02:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22324 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 00:02:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 00:02:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 00:02:17 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 00:02:16 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.254] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 00:02:16 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 00:02:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 846521.7038.bm@omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 12177 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 00:02:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@72.161.197.52 with plain) by smtp114.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 00:02:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NNnTWGgVM1naeHPLh9TVSJ4UOfgLDWATulyBeF82Za92FaaBwILI24YMM43ebwJxroSsUC3kEOkO_91_gvpFltOu1LP3rdwS.y6oT.JeKiuGpVmSzJNb_U0t9OZsPDkftA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20080818.153400.6301.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> References: <20080818.153400.6301.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:02:13 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Tm66mXipLVK4vcZu0Gj94t0ow2-z-jFmfEt4nB2iZ79uS5bqYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Dozens of other listeners love it also! Go listen to the drug addict, Rush Limbaugh or the sexual deviant predator Bill O'Reilly if you love Republicans so much. Have a blast. I can't wait until the Fairness Doctrine returns. Kevin Gobama! From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Aug 18 17:21:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43680 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 00:21:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 00:21:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 00:21:52 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.cfd.3e2354d3 (37069) for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:21:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hanksmithpc1 (75-172-103-69.tukw.qwest.net [75.172.103.69]) by cia-db05.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB053-90cd48aa120bf0; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:21:32 -0400 Message-ID: <2DADE1704FAE4E549EAC06536F067125@hanksmithpc1> To: References: <20080818.154851.6301.2@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <50000AF7377C4C7DAEA1BE8786EB1848@hanksmithpc1> <4ABFD7E7-E46D-4D1C-B692-3610FF2122DD@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:21:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-AOL-IP: 75.172.103.69 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=BvP8qeO-5XZ_qt-i5G7YF-HdEerpfYY1VJpcczBjCN-sE0FS0fq_ X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how far from tucson were you when you lived there? Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 4:59 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? On Jan 2, 2001, at 8:27 AM, hank smith wrote: > perhaps I could pick it up in az then? Yeah, I just left there and you could pick it up on your fillings. If you have a good antenna, you can hear it 24/7. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 17:31:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5374 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 00:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 00:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n75.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.51) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 00:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n75.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 00:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 00:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.252] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 00:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp413.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2008 00:31:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 501360.4902.bm@omp413.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 67130 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 00:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@72.161.197.52 with plain) by smtp124.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 00:31:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KBTnCo4VM1kDgPJLDfCsvvmG5qCwl4H0wPemRQTRMT5rvAEKh.Ouy7ueiypmQ1wFzyuAyHstrvbGw4.tZRskG5rm2N26yMlsPIvpBTPndXdfhCi.XY57.Qhlk22wloQwjQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <2DADE1704FAE4E549EAC06536F067125@hanksmithpc1> References: <20080818.154851.6301.2@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <50000AF7377C4C7DAEA1BE8786EB1848@hanksmithpc1> <4ABFD7E7-E46D-4D1C-B692-3610FF2122DD@yahoo.com> <2DADE1704FAE4E549EAC06536F067125@hanksmithpc1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:31:14 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=vbT77HPV9s8FKk-3xRMcGYj4IcwXLQqVgQyNa94AVFNCVm1cqw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 18, 2008, at 7:21 PM, hank smith wrote: > how far from tucson were you when you lived there? 130 miles. My wife's cousin teaches at Tucson HS. Kevin From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Aug 18 18:14:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14084 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 01:14:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 01:14:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 01:14:16 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.cf7.3bb9f598 (34979) for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:14:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hanksmithpc1 (75-172-103-69.tukw.qwest.net [75.172.103.69]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA084-88a348aa1e5d2d0; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:14:09 -0400 Message-ID: To: References: <20080818.154851.6301.2@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <50000AF7377C4C7DAEA1BE8786EB1848@hanksmithpc1> <4ABFD7E7-E46D-4D1C-B692-3610FF2122DD@yahoo.com> <2DADE1704FAE4E549EAC06536F067125@hanksmithpc1> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:14:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-AOL-IP: 75.172.103.69 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=rt1qd3cliHfXItqNTQno-LUjK48dzko6GTFRejhPjKbLCi8PotQF X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit will try to pick up kfi when I get back there am heading back next thursday to my parents if I can't pick it up there should be able when I get in town when I get in my own place at the end of october or september Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:31 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? On Aug 18, 2008, at 7:21 PM, hank smith wrote: > how far from tucson were you when you lived there? 130 miles. My wife's cousin teaches at Tucson HS. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 18:30:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14528 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 01:30:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 01:30:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 01:30:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22517 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Aug 2008 01:30:54 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.189] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:30:53 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:30:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <50000AF7377C4C7DAEA1BE8786EB1848@hanksmithpc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <189352.22417.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=nCr1hlLkOJQnMwsYg7hfoIEesYl7nM3Nr1AndCS7M-E X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Please fix the date on your computer. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 1/2/01, hank smith wrote: > From: hank smith > Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, January 2, 2001, 9:27 AM > ooooooooo > perhaps I could pick it up in az then? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: W6YN Don Milbury > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:48 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? > > > For about the last 3 years KFI has been running 25kW to a > standby stick. The regular antenna has been reinstalled and > the station should return to full power operation in about a > month. > > Don > > -- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Thanks, Kevin. > > I was thinking about a giant loop. In Southern Arkansas a > 225 ft. longwire > is more of a lightning catcher than anything else. > > KFI despite its power and dial advantage has site > problems, particularly its > ground system. KOA comes in fairly strong in St. Louis. > We have a 5 kW > daytimer on 850 and when it signs off, KOA is right > there. > > Needless to say, WSM, WLAC, and WWL burn into Southern > Arkansas at night. > However, I was looking for some Air America outlet. > > Mike > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Aug 18 18:33:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15625 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 01:33:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 01:33:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 01:33:27 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.cf4.3691facb (37690) for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:33:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hanksmithpc1 (75-172-103-69.tukw.qwest.net [75.172.103.69]) by cia-mb08.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB086-933a48aa22de3c7; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:33:19 -0400 Message-ID: To: References: <189352.22417.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:33:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-AOL-IP: 75.172.103.69 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=weGKwgWDxsioAoOgIVTdz0ao9q4TZ79szc4fsv3BLH3B3SIuJ8Yw X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it should be fixed the c mos battery is starting to die on my back up pc whitch I am using now did a reset and it should be working can you let me know please? Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? Please fix the date on your computer. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 1/2/01, hank smith wrote: > From: hank smith > Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, January 2, 2001, 9:27 AM > ooooooooo > perhaps I could pick it up in az then? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: W6YN Don Milbury > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:48 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? > > > For about the last 3 years KFI has been running 25kW to a > standby stick. The regular antenna has been reinstalled and > the station should return to full power operation in about a > month. > > Don > > -- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Thanks, Kevin. > > I was thinking about a giant loop. In Southern Arkansas a > 225 ft. longwire > is more of a lightning catcher than anything else. > > KFI despite its power and dial advantage has site > problems, particularly its > ground system. KOA comes in fairly strong in St. Louis. > We have a 5 kW > daytimer on 850 and when it signs off, KOA is right > there. > > Needless to say, WSM, WLAC, and WWL burn into Southern > Arkansas at night. > However, I was looking for some Air America outlet. > > Mike > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 18:38:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29067 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 01:38:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 01:38:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 01:38:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15523 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Aug 2008 01:38:54 -0000 X-Received: from [209.213.19.189] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:38:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:38:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <714516.15452.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=_DYlg7LKg08qvR4ZXBTF4G6MZWkXCebGoSQ542nx7uI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Yup. Some computers won't work right when the battery goes. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 8/18/08, hank smith wrote: > it should be fixed > the c mos battery is starting to die on my back up pc > whitch I am using now did a reset and it should be working > can you let me know please? > Hank From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Aug 18 18:53:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45158 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 01:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 01:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 01:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c32.370464f3 (34947) for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:53:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hanksmithpc1 (75-172-103-69.tukw.qwest.net [75.172.103.69]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA058-888348aa2798214; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:53:29 -0400 Message-ID: <203B978365874396AC9A9DC3F9F62050@hanksmithpc1> To: References: <714516.15452.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:53:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-AOL-IP: 75.172.103.69 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=zs0dLOVigYSmbRDJ8kRXK3LMw1k2wbqcCH7Dk2x-JAHvslvtEDT1 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this one is slowly dieing so will eventually have to replace it if this happens again let me know some times I don't even notice it I don't use this machine much Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:38 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? Yup. Some computers won't work right when the battery goes. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 8/18/08, hank smith wrote: > it should be fixed > the c mos battery is starting to die on my back up pc > whitch I am using now did a reset and it should be working > can you let me know please? > Hank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Aug 18 19:18:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75017 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 02:18:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 02:18:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 02:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.bc1.39e872a5 (41811) for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:18:09 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=F3RSUHEUiDx7J5ovmDzR40FGXXjay5nXP0wuvyhAKgpZZyjKlW7u7O9k8UEig6O8 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/18/08 8:31:14 PM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > Please fix the date on your computer. > You meant it isn't January 2, 2001? You mean these past 8 years were real? Gosh, I was hoping it was just a bad dream. Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Aug 18 19:20:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14412 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 02:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 02:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 02:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.be4.3b116970 (41811) for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:20:53 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=zkT7rGPD1T3zhCipLZu0C98kPlIfgTL4vewxZZbmawWFlskibW5XWUO0zkyUU99O X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/18/08 8:39:09 PM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > Yup. Some computers won't work right when the battery goes. > > Yes, you lose the settings in the bios and have to go through Settings on every power-up. Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Mon Aug 18 19:25:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59848 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 02:25:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2008 02:25:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 02:25:39 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.cd6.36e16e24 (34953) for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:25:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hanksmithpc1 (75-172-103-69.tukw.qwest.net [75.172.103.69]) by cia-da06.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA062-888948aa2f16364; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:25:27 -0400 Message-ID: <20398E42795E4A1E8FFDBDA037AE1121@hanksmithpc1> To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:25:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-AOL-IP: 75.172.103.69 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=Tv_dHPCYL8xi24vivNGTZHc_dIJAgVYWssGcMm7nbq6qIOzfBcvn X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it isn't that way yet but has been loosing its settings every few weeks or so there is no set time it chooses to do this does it when it feels like it. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:20 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? In a message dated 8/18/08 8:39:09 PM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > Yup. Some computers won't work right when the battery goes. > > Yes, you lose the settings in the bios and have to go through Settings on every power-up. Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Aug 20 17:07:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71356 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 00:07:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2008 00:07:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 00:07:09 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.101] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080820190702101936200010.0) with SMTP id <20080820190702101936200010> for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:07:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <015a01c90322$7cdd0240$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:07:02 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=D5BvYu9yth2rzuHX00eLfLmNWojLr6yeNUrpZJTMluf6Dlg04RP3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KSTP was regularly heard in Guadalcanal back in WW2. Their night pattern is also aimed west. WHB was the first true DX I ever got back in the mid 60s and got me interested in DXing. W...HB dial 71. :) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:26 PM KOMA in Oklahoma City could be heard in Viet Nam with its 50 kW power but it was all concentrated to the West. I remember swimming at the Lockwood community pool in the early 60s and they had WHB on the PA. It had some static, but it made me think Kansas City was the Emerald City in Oz. Bigger than life. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 05:24:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88510 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 12:24:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2008 12:24:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 12:24:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32564 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2008 12:24:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lKb5Cb0VM1l2qMH3S4HCpmozXIhlsmWAgI1_VvMDMQ1mP1YCfbeqkmkY8byMm2yiCrFrUdw5m9BsR8MT2M5hAAzM5aF8d1xrH9_48va7wV.ZUrwFolXcTBPjLxZS3Q-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 05:24:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 05:24:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <889752.32276.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=DOuojATXlQW3kc_KtiE-GjavnPvcT3jer0dEoUL506lEZQfdwpjaMi8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I always tried to figure out how KC had two stations with a "W" prefix (WHB and WDAF). AM610 had a smokin AM stereo signal - full service - country music, then they went to sports, dropped the stereo AND dropped the W for a K call back in 1999 or so :( From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 06:16:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26063 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 13:16:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2008 13:16:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.221) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 13:16:07 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2008 13:16:06 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.248] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2008 13:16:06 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2008 13:16:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 663316.98626.bm@omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 14913 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 13:16:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.97 with plain) by smtp123.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 13:16:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: h_AvlQoVM1l31GbN68mqRWD7.wSelYdVWgkBSz.nZyilMCAWTePBbOBIStKTd5A4fqXW.m119sAkOS2Vu7YHwGZG3bGSYHPbj_tIKosr6Py8lugp.vnFGyXI7BwN1u82rf1lb.88sDsk9P6JSpyeW.k- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <889752.32276.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <889752.32276.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <651D5DE3-9972-42D2-87E2-981EE25FD29C@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:16:04 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.221 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=sYeYbGEw4sls6S0kX3-ZBKdK45xjShKt7SoNhzzIXV89HzdxVw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 21, 2008, at 7:24 AM, John P. wrote: > I always tried to figure out how KC had two stations with a "W" > prefix (WHB and WDAF). AM610 had a smokin AM stereo signal - full > service - country music, then they went to sports, dropped the > stereo AND dropped the W for a K call back in 1999 or so :( Back in the day, the central US states for about 10 years could have either a W or a K. This was modified to east and west of the Mississippi. http://www.oldradio.com/archives/general/kwtrivia.htm You will find this of interest. Kevin From gowrone@gmail.com Thu Aug 21 09:18:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gowrone@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94530 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 16:18:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2008 16:18:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.173) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 16:18:19 -0000 X-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 29so34275ugo.7 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:18:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.67.40.6 with SMTP id s6mr1573744ugj.33.1219335497494; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [12.227.170.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t35sm1432309uge.28.2008.08.21.09.18.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <0E9BEE1A-C200-45C4-8E5D-340551C6575A@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <651D5DE3-9972-42D2-87E2-981EE25FD29C@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:17:43 -0500 References: <889752.32276.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <651D5DE3-9972-42D2-87E2-981EE25FD29C@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Matthew Elliff Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=285717100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey thanks! i've wondered about this for years. how k calls are where w calls are and vise versa. thanks, this really clears stuff for me. wdaf does exist still on the fm side. it's a wolf format country station. i've been through kc a lot being from springfield. On Aug 21, 2008, at 8:16 AM, kevin redding wrote: > > On Aug 21, 2008, at 7:24 AM, John P. wrote: > > > I always tried to figure out how KC had two stations with a "W" > > prefix (WHB and WDAF). AM610 had a smokin AM stereo signal - full > > service - country music, then they went to sports, dropped the > > stereo AND dropped the W for a K call back in 1999 or so :( > > Back in the day, the central US states for about 10 years could have > either a W or a K. This was modified to east and west of the > Mississippi. > > http://www.oldradio.com/archives/general/kwtrivia.htm > > You will find this of interest. > > Kevin > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 09:54:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23673 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 16:54:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2008 16:54:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 16:54:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61519 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2008 16:54:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TRMQrq0VM1kujfmIQDyVleREsazxTcnoo8TjIpbc6WGBTxh6lOFv0ypsvGpNPffpW2AjFL5cbxBVBKvzHEEmqedaaUN5X0U_ANv8S.DdPPenm7OjKhmcztcWioTUWIpXpXr2NQEZwMksNp_B5fOOZFmD X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:54:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:54:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0E9BEE1A-C200-45C4-8E5D-340551C6575A@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <435513.61118.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=dz9DvphRDAlQZ2YO3SFWbAWWPT89iE2bS0WGMGdUFyl4Fw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Didn't they relax the rules for K and W not too many years back? There are something like 13 K signs in the east now, 2 in Ohio, and at least one in MI. Maybe they should open "N" back up, just to make it interesting, and switch Mexico from "XE" back to "Y"..."Y" not? (groan!) G --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Matthew Elliff wrote: > From: Matthew Elliff > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 12:17 PM > hey thanks! i've wondered about this for years. how k > calls are where > w calls are and vise versa. thanks, this really clears > stuff for me. > wdaf does exist still on the fm side. it's a wolf > format country > station. i've been through kc a lot being from > springfield. > On Aug 21, 2008, at 8:16 AM, kevin redding wrote: > > > > > On Aug 21, 2008, at 7:24 AM, John P. wrote: > > > > > I always tried to figure out how KC had two > stations with a "W" > > > prefix (WHB and WDAF). AM610 had a smokin AM > stereo signal - full > > > service - country music, then they went to > sports, dropped the > > > stereo AND dropped the W for a K call back in > 1999 or so :( > > > > Back in the day, the central US states for about 10 > years could have > > either a W or a K. This was modified to east and west > of the > > Mississippi. > > > > http://www.oldradio.com/archives/general/kwtrivia.htm > > > > You will find this of interest. > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gowrone@gmail.com Thu Aug 21 09:57:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gowrone@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25946 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 16:57:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2008 16:57:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.169) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 16:57:15 -0000 X-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u2so38372uge.14 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:57:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.239.16 with SMTP id m16mr1619668ugh.9.1219337833406; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [12.227.170.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 31sm6265157ugg.36.2008.08.21.09.57.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1474D8E7-A076-4D4A-B3F1-527F0B9F500A@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <435513.61118.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:56:39 -0500 References: <435513.61118.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Matthew Elliff Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=285717100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit didn't know n and y were ever used. On Aug 21, 2008, at 11:54 AM, george russell wrote: > Didn't they relax the rules for K and W not too many years back? > There are something like 13 K signs in the east now, 2 in Ohio, and > at least one in MI. Maybe they should open "N" back up, just to make > it interesting, and switch Mexico from "XE" back to "Y"..."Y" not? > (groan!) > G > > --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Matthew Elliff wrote: > > > From: Matthew Elliff > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 12:17 PM > > hey thanks! i've wondered about this for years. how k > > calls are where > > w calls are and vise versa. thanks, this really clears > > stuff for me. > > wdaf does exist still on the fm side. it's a wolf > > format country > > station. i've been through kc a lot being from > > springfield. > > On Aug 21, 2008, at 8:16 AM, kevin redding wrote: > > > > > > > > On Aug 21, 2008, at 7:24 AM, John P. wrote: > > > > > > > I always tried to figure out how KC had two > > stations with a "W" > > > > prefix (WHB and WDAF). AM610 had a smokin AM > > stereo signal - full > > > > service - country music, then they went to > > sports, dropped the > > > > stereo AND dropped the W for a K call back in > > 1999 or so :( > > > > > > Back in the day, the central US states for about 10 > > years could have > > > either a W or a K. This was modified to east and west > > of the > > > Mississippi. > > > > > > http://www.oldradio.com/archives/general/kwtrivia.htm > > > > > > You will find this of interest. > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Aug 21 10:49:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67485 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 17:49:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2008 17:49:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 17:49:39 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c0a.4272129a (30739) for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:49:35 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=MRUwKa0sIL9YLscO6GKOuS6qlRBPaUapaU2Ac96HvcOlNKTN1azbg536Wk2Y1vqK X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's because the station got its call sign before the "W" and "K" convention like KDKA in Pittsburgh and WOAI in San Antonio. WDAF has dial advantage. WHB was 10,000 watts. WHB's directional array formed more or less a N-S and E-W cloverleaf. Kansas City shared something with New York City. Like the old WNBC/WABC/WCBS 660/770/880 khz, Kansas City had WDAF, WHB, KCMO at 610/710/810. Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Aug 21 10:55:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22786 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 17:55:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2008 17:55:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 17:55:09 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c39.3c4d53ea (30739) for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:54:14 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=HwR-ZUL-i1LNJdtt63ZHfIxLwg1-Aoa7HDrVRb3vlZrj7u52qc_7hO7iFZGRyAET X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did you know WHB stands for World's Happiest Broadcasters? Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 11:03:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67886 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 18:03:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2008 18:03:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.244) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 18:03:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 35942 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2008 18:03:31 -0000 X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:03:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:03:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1474D8E7-A076-4D4A-B3F1-527F0B9F500A@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <932662.35828.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=3d0JimZnrjZmxiVhkaF4Bai5W4MhMKFPdfrTMq4PZFs_tzqlHrjz X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think he was implying that N is a full U.S. prefix we don't use.=A0 What = K stations are in Ohio?=A0 KTGG, the one in Mi. is because someone @ the F.= C.C. in 1985=A0thought Mi. was the abbreviation for another state.=A0 Maybe= MIssouri or MInnesota.=A0 I had never heard of Y being Mexico but that's i= mpossible now unless they have an international Y allocation.=A0 Now, 6D-6J= is theirs.=A0 That could prove interesting! =A0 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Matthew Elliff wrote: From: Matthew Elliff Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 12:56 PM didn't know n and y were ever used. On Aug 21, 2008, at 11:54 AM, george russell wrote: > Didn't they relax the rules for K and W not too many years back? > There are something like 13 K signs in the east now, 2 in Ohio, and=20 > at least one in MI. Maybe they should open "N" back up, just to make=20 > it interesting, and switch Mexico from "XE" back to "Y"..."Y" not?=20 > (groan!) > G > > --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Matthew Elliff wrote: > > > From: Matthew Elliff > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 12:17 PM > > hey thanks! i've wondered about this for years. how k > > calls are where > > w calls are and vise versa. thanks, this really clears > > stuff for me. > > wdaf does exist still on the fm side. it's a wolf > > format country > > station. i've been through kc a lot being from > > springfield. > > On Aug 21, 2008, at 8:16 AM, kevin redding wrote: > > > > > > > > On Aug 21, 2008, at 7:24 AM, John P. wrote: > > > > > > > I always tried to figure out how KC had two > > stations with a "W" > > > > prefix (WHB and WDAF). AM610 had a smokin AM > > stereo signal - full > > > > service - country music, then they went to > > sports, dropped the > > > > stereo AND dropped the W for a K call back in > > 1999 or so :( > > > > > > Back in the day, the central US states for about 10 > > years could have > > > either a W or a K. This was modified to east and west > > of the > > > Mississippi. > > > > > > http://www.oldradio .com/archives/ general/kwtrivia .htm > > > > > > You will find this of interest. > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gowrone@gmail.com Thu Aug 21 11:03:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gowrone@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92238 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 18:03:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2008 18:03:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.170) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 18:03:44 -0000 X-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id x30so78727ugc.21 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:03:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.67.29.4 with SMTP id g4mr1678981ugj.73.1219341823496; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:03:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [12.227.170.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p39sm32818ugd.69.2008.08.21.11.03.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:03:09 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Matthew Elliff Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=285717100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yeah i heard that it did. On Aug 21, 2008, at 12:54 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Did you know WHB stands for World's Happiest Broadcasters? > > Mike > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel deal here. > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 11:11:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54325 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 18:11:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2008 18:11:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.147) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 18:11:20 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2008 18:11:20 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.253] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2008 18:11:20 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2008 18:11:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 126291.19056.bm@omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 94969 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 18:11:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.209.220 with plain) by smtp123.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 18:11:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KOq_YTsVM1mCvpLeYp8XeYZ1pwWEBiUHCqNaRyEw6ydf_QGv3WMmWb_hFRkN2pPHxADljHZ3wAEqkSm4bGxCx9uRGU1ts2Ic0EzMrZsWMDpAy810z1XVHPoRDXlPm5RoLg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <1474D8E7-A076-4D4A-B3F1-527F0B9F500A@gmail.com> References: <435513.61118.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1474D8E7-A076-4D4A-B3F1-527F0B9F500A@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8D43D1DC-D321-468D-80AB-860FC46B71B7@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:11:17 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=jgMM8u8suL8tvsu0hAjR19cNdD0J5ZpH9hlP5eGMp6oP-VFJIA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla I don't know about Y but I do know that all US Navy vessels have an N call sign that is 4 letters long. Kevin On Aug 21, 2008, at 11:56 AM, Matthew Elliff wrote: > didn't know n and y were ever used. From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 11:30:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23752 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 18:30:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2008 18:30:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 18:30:29 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n16.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2008 18:30:29 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.70] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2008 18:30:29 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2008 18:30:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 630983.96348.bm@omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 52627 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 18:30:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.209.220 with plain) by smtp113.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 18:30:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: miw9MNcVM1l3Zzi5_.m4pOzHgsElxL6hsnVXV2p2fRCoebvLDR7VvCY7cRZWtjgJtqRHdOAeYdi3unhT4mIhALOnRP3YxOvT_2QyLNFP.rwflnaIWSQX4lry_LCLls2llQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <932662.35828.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <932662.35828.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0E7BA6FD-2158-456C-B53F-B8A81278958A@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:30:27 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=xzpSf3S-JMbg61Ce6BY-305fuVBgtIpDUGXcFTm8ZOcAWubqMw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 21, 2008, at 1:03 PM, JNR wrote: > I think he was implying that N is a full U.S. prefix we don't use. N calls are used by the Navy and really, A calls are used by the Army here in the US. The N and A calls are mostly taken. There are a few N and A calls that hams use. There was a shortwave broadcaster that transmitted vaporware from Opelika, AL that asked for the calls, NDXE for "In Dixie". The station never got on the air. Kevin From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 11:45:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24321 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 18:45:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2008 18:45:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 18:45:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34064 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2008 18:45:34 -0000 X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:45:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:45:34 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0E7BA6FD-2158-456C-B53F-B8A81278958A@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <604868.30224.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=0WuADpfP5VtLPKpCL4evVJYxSnvjnrwn_mCJXw89NTGPlWhLYR8Y X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RIght, but in terms of broadcast the only N call I know that was used was N= AA-Arlington, operated by the Navy.=A0 I think somehow it is related to tod= ay's WWV although NAA used to broadcast concerts & the like too.=A0 I have = an N amateur call: N1WVQ.=A0 Also, the A series we have is AA-AL. =A0 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Thu, 8/21/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 2:30 PM On Aug 21, 2008, at 1:03 PM, JNR wrote: > I think he was implying that N is a full U.S. prefix we don't use. N calls are used by the Navy and really, A calls are used by the Army=20 here in the US. The N and A calls are mostly taken. There are a few N and A calls that hams use. There was a shortwave broadcaster that transmitted vaporware from=20 Opelika, AL that asked for the calls, NDXE for "In Dixie". The=20 station never got on the air. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Aug 21 13:13:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54412 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 20:13:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2008 20:13:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 20:13:13 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.ca4.339e3810 (37046) for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:12:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB034-90b648adcc4a139; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:12:58 -0400 X-Received: from webmail-de05 (webmail-de05.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.26]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA011-5baa48adcafcc0; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:07:28 -0400 References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:07:24 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38491-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-de05.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.26) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:07:24 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAD1E0A98194A7-1030-2379@webmail-de05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=THNuHxr_LFADLX2vFHLz7_g4DUxK3NQIYuPgFtKD9Y7AoXCNMsSaiX9ZZ3Uonx8M X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, I believe that slogan pre-dated Storz's acquistion of WHB, which?was its second after the original station in Omaha.? It was a big step up from a 500 watt daytimer in sleepy Omaha to a 10,000 watt full-time station in Kansas City.? WHB had good coverage in Omaha which may have lead to its consideration for acquisition. Incidentally, has any ever actually had a?Storz Beer?? There was a photo at WHB of Todd's brother Robert at some get together and he was drinking a Bud. Mike --Original Message----- From: Matthew Elliff To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 1:03 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB yeah i heard that it did. On Aug 21, 2008, at 12:54 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Did you know WHB stands for World's Happiest Broadcasters? > > Mike > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel deal here. > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 14:06:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7503 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 21:06:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2008 21:06:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.125.209) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 21:06:12 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n12.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2008 21:06:11 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.251] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2008 21:06:11 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2008 21:06:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 843540.92451.bm@omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 89099 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 21:06:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.209.220 with plain) by smtp126.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 21:06:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aVueaIYVM1mZRSsKiijbdmmWGB1T5Xxp1CouRu_ghZTboEbVyKkQxMdVLLOuTcq_LiBym2WRb1s0ItItv5ITrvD7XuAV1j725CQepwFvIl7b8HybQjc9YH7M0jSSqJP20g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <604868.30224.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <604868.30224.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:06:10 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.125.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: N calls X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=bfhSiL4-7YwQRvAN7MmJxrFmy266-9hl9hV2N9MLZgwekOVA4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 21, 2008, at 1:45 PM, JNR wrote: > RIght, but in terms of broadcast the only N call I know that was > used was NAA-Arlington, operated by the Navy. I think somehow it > is related to today's WWV although NAA used to broadcast concerts & > the like too. That had to be way back in the EARLY 1900s. That was not a true broadcaster but mostly used to transmit to ships at sea and submarines for orders. Most of those are closed now with satellites primarily used for ships. NAA was in Cutler, ME. I have been to that station. I have heard NPM in Lualualei, HI, NAA Cutler, ME, NSW in Australia, NRS Jim Creek, WA, NSS Annapolis, MD, NPL Point Loma, CA, NAU Aguada, PR, and one in Sigonella, Italy and another one from Okinawa. Can't tell you a damn thing thats on any of them because they are all encoded and digital. Back in the day I was on a submarine that is decommissioned that had the call sign, NGYH. Believe me, none of these stations are in stereo but NAA in Cutler, ME transmits with well over a million watts. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 14:16:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63123 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 21:16:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2008 21:16:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.147) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 21:16:13 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2008 21:16:13 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.72] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2008 21:16:13 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2008 21:16:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 604432.91458.bm@omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 55513 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 21:16:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.209.220 with plain) by smtp121.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 21:16:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JUd.tYcVM1nSdwXQACdsTMmhuTmzUXw6JhuayjBm5eJVcc4t9KvBpRHWFMmgXrJo77sNzdZ9S54vqNByQBRD971rvr6Fu11OE065Zj4teROSShgt7H52l4y_KGMRCREhgKjdIzvRu7VBbx2UzNbv3c4- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <79D7B477-0608-4B7D-8CB2-FA6FA52FDA50@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:16:11 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: What calls stand for X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=v9Rowfr6igmavCtorq2Qbw6e_2eBFzgE_gO5KPodRsQ34VpGxw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 21, 2008, at 12:54 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Did you know WHB stands for World's Happiest Broadcasters? Since we are talking about call signs and what they stand for, try this website out for size... http://nelson.oldradio.com/origins.call-list.html Enjoy, Kevin From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 14:28:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2778 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 21:28:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2008 21:28:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.233) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 21:28:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 70709 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2008 21:28:03 -0000 X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:28:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:28:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <632152.68130.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: O.T.: NAA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=es1c5UwwrF3wu5LKTF6I7E0TW_bqmoJmDeHf92fd3dxT5l174dRd X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NAA was on 690 from Arlington, Va. from 1923-1933.=A0 There's a more detail= ed history @ http://earlyradiohistory.us/hist-dc.htm.=A0 Also, the post off= ice had WWX, & the Navy had NSF/NOF (not sure if these are 2 stations or 1 = with 2 calls). =A0 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Thu, 8/21/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: {AMSF} N calls To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 5:06 PM On Aug 21, 2008, at 1:45 PM, JNR wrote: > RIght, but in terms of broadcast the only N call I know that was=20 > used was NAA-Arlington, operated by the Navy. I think somehow it=20 > is related to today's WWV although NAA used to broadcast concerts &=20 > the like too. That had to be way back in the EARLY 1900s. That was not a true=20 broadcaster but mostly used to transmit to ships at sea and=20 submarines for orders. Most of those are closed now with satellites=20 primarily used for ships. NAA was in Cutler, ME. I have been to that=20 station. I have heard NPM in Lualualei, HI, NAA Cutler, ME, NSW in Australia,=20 NRS Jim Creek, WA, NSS Annapolis, MD, NPL Point Loma, CA, NAU Aguada,=20 PR, and one in Sigonella, Italy and another one from Okinawa. Can't=20 tell you a damn thing thats on any of them because they are all=20 encoded and digital. Back in the day I was on a submarine that is decommissioned that had=20 the call sign, NGYH. Believe me, none of these stations are in stereo but NAA in Cutler,=20 ME transmits with well over a million watts. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 14:39:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21100 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 21:39:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2008 21:39:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.125.177) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 21:39:43 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n12.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2008 21:39:42 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.249] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2008 21:39:42 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2008 21:39:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 943728.3278.bm@omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 66462 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 21:39:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.209.220 with plain) by smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 21:39:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 12OHXB4VM1kk8HL64DFAI0zUBzleODDj_LyOvWgqf0zSnaYg9ryIxb_0CAwD_0Jf.GZvfzqyVzPTreFubiQNc72d3ChSCsnaK.G7KTTegX8RVEaXDos3TYJCL.Qhx_M4ARDuC3PJTUBqKk_zSkRz4HM- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <632152.68130.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <632152.68130.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4DA79598-91FC-4B49-A55C-F52718576FBB@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:39:40 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.125.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: NAA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Gfk1luL2IZhsX-_PdhGrv-w2voXiU0SSdRIBlGuALsk0XtqP2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Those early radio history sites are pretty cool. Kevin On Aug 21, 2008, at 4:28 PM, JNR wrote: > NAA was on 690 from Arlington, Va. from 1923-1933. There's a more > detailed history @ http://earlyradiohistory.us/hist-dc.htm. Also, > the post office had WWX, & the Navy had NSF/NOF (not sure if these > are 2 stations or 1 with 2 calls). From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 14:56:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35590 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 21:56:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2008 21:56:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 21:56:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 64264 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2008 21:56:51 -0000 X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:56:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:56:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4DA79598-91FC-4B49-A55C-F52718576FBB@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <190378.63408.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: NAA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=zUaDxaHiwkb-lGftEVsofKdfN-wW_Il-DR1_t_5AqZrynhQN5MgD X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That they are!=A0 My fave defunct station (besides WPEP) is WHRN/WOHN in He= rndon, Va..=A0 I never heard it but have read about it & it seems like my k= ind of station!=A0 As the article says, more of a home for the D.J.s than a= nything else.=A0 A 1kW top 40 daytimer on 1440 with no sound-proofing.=A0 I= t was so bad the D.J.s were instructed to say something about Dulles whenev= er a plane flew overhead as the sound came barreling into the studio! =A0 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Thu, 8/21/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: NAA To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 5:39 PM Those early radio history sites are pretty cool. Kevin On Aug 21, 2008, at 4:28 PM, JNR wrote: > NAA was on 690 from Arlington, Va. from 1923-1933. There's a more=20 > detailed history @ http://earlyradiohi story.us/ hist-dc.htm. Also,=20 > the post office had WWX, & the Navy had NSF/NOF (not sure if these=20 > are 2 stations or 1 with 2 calls). =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 17:32:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63782 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 00:32:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 00:32:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.234) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 00:32:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 59786 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2008 00:32:23 -0000 X-Received: from [70.20.0.242] by web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:32:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:32:22 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <12056.59774.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: WJIB in mono? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=MgRDGfXidwUDGF4r-y4lPqzIPCPwIgHo2vrYd0Ig3E3DnTan3uAX X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Radio Info a few days ago they said WJIB had been hit by a power company= power surge which fried their equipment, including the xmtr..=A0 The owner= has a backup but it apparently is mono.=A0 Supposedly they're back to full= power but I dunno if they're stereo or not.=A0 Anyone around Boston hearin= g them in stereo? Thanks, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Thu Aug 21 19:12:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85460 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 02:12:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 02:12:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 02:12:41 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id C1A921800125 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:12:41 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.62) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 22 Aug 2008 02:12:23 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5B6C311581F; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:12:41 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:12:41 -0500 X-Received: from [96.227.43.33] by ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:12:41 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20080822021241.5B6C311581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=-LgwdbRmVcwC0HbLMWEZUWGxj4BLIodoNId2XlDlnLtiKyZ47K0s X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, Does anyone have any knowledge as to how KYW 1060 AM in Philadelphia got it's "K" call sign? I believe they began in Philly in the 1950s or 60s, after the east / west W / K guidelines were already established. This station at one time had a nice sounding 50kw CQuam signal. As a news station it was not too apparent until you heard the stereo music built into the commercials. I think the production crew worked pretty hard at getting the right music into as many spots as possible because a lot of them had it. They have since gone the way of IBOC. On another note, I remember, as a kid, they began broadcasting "All news, all the time" in 1965. I thought this was a terrible idea & wrote them a letter (remember those) to tell them so. Long story short, they are still doing it, & have been consistently one of the highest rated area radio stations for at least 20 years. Our local radio columnists often refer to KYW as the "Rock of Gibralter". So much for my programming prowess. (heavy sigh) Good night & God bless.Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:49:35 EDT It's because the station got its call sign before the "W" and "K" convention like KDKA in Pittsburgh and WOAI in San Antonio. WDAF has dial advantage. WHB was 10,000 watts. WHB's directional array formed more or less a N-S and E-W cloverleaf. Kansas City shared something with New York City. Like the old WNBC/WABC/WCBS 660/770/880 khz, Kansas City had WDAF, WHB, KCMO at 610/710/810. Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 19:22:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65876 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 02:22:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 02:22:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.91) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 02:22:11 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 02:22:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.75.182] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 02:22:11 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp103.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 02:22:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 45895.30651.bm@omp103.mail.re1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 59935 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 02:22:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.9 with plain) by smtp116.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 02:22:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FrjJuIsVM1mvzB6qQevrDtJbXFzErDH7I90fKT13Y6uEe7BSeoCKAKe5UWOyeWohS6IULNGAvrpwptxUxMgAHrKO.qaso_.Rb.pdk0vNYOzNwBDxaTgzBOmTXg2crH76Hw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20080822021241.5B6C311581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080822021241.5B6C311581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <95D35030-07A4-4DBF-80D2-00672FCA4C73@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:22:08 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=PeG88dMh4onTS3tudrlcFTi3eRpZ6o8SFQcbAUNO45PoIdQyDw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Hi All, Does anyone have any knowledge as to how KYW 1060 AM in > Philadelphia got it's "K" call sign? KYW started in Chicago WAY back. The transmitter was moved to PA and kept the calls attached to the xmitter. Kevin From jmrouse@mail.com Thu Aug 21 19:36:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17513 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 02:36:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 02:36:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 02:36:20 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 015E81800303 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:35:48 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.62) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 22 Aug 2008 02:35:30 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0152D11581F; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:35:48 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:35:48 -0500 X-Received: from [96.227.43.33] by ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:35:48 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20080822023548.0152D11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=TSp4YgRaGFsw11IGCuFQ37Su8g-dJzEgLlPh9yU1GFHmSDWBcGoT X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Thanks Kevin! Man, this takes the term "portable radio" to a whole new level. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin redding"=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:22:08 -0500 > Hi All, Does anyone have any knowledge as to how KYW 1060 AM in > Philadelphia got it's "K" call sign? KYW started in Chicago WAY back. The transmitter was moved to PA and kept the calls attached to the xmitter. Kevin ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links --=20 Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 19:43:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53179 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 02:43:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 02:43:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n23b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.142) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 02:43:37 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n23.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 02:43:37 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.242] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 02:43:37 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp403.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 02:43:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 663632.18196.bm@omp403.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 28307 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 02:43:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.9 with plain) by smtp127.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 02:43:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Fe4_xioVM1l1_KBbBSygE1GAdgSR6rFKL_.iJo.uz7wjgfERYksyiEXxP1UQF6dkizEe8cFVyIq_E3RWpRx4LegvCpER8H66S3NTIoxqaAZg_un0_2rXPuzMlqilJHMtdA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20080822023548.0152D11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080822023548.0152D11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:43:35 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=y2jKy_i3p1JxrqBV_evoTPa-rcZRpKOkA3KfwQbyP_mlY9AK2A X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 21, 2008, at 9:35 PM, Joseph Rouse wrote: > Man, this takes the term "portable radio" to a whole new level. The United States had at one time a class of transmitters called portable transmitters. Most were on trucks. Some of the W calls in the west came from these portable transmitters. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 20:08:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67350 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 03:08:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 03:08:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 03:08:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50339 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2008 03:08:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eQXDqokVM1kJW26HA.qdNHr7zl7tEbjx1ECRX168lGjOthOiqLwsgGoGXQr285sZqph2WyArZ9KQGmpgFdqzk2oMRLBZtWc20ZBeKeByelgTHw8Rxcy4UzFYRVIHOd7s5bNX7EH5cul45f.NH8D59yAE X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:08:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:08:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <319023.50302.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=o3WMKQu-iH2KmOua5saxsagFK9jCDY9NQTIpa03ncGh0kw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 And if they switch to hard rock, it will be "World's HIGHEST Bcstrs"? G --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Matthew Elliff wrote: > From: Matthew Elliff > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 2:03 PM > yeah i heard that it did. > On Aug 21, 2008, at 12:54 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > Did you know WHB stands for World's Happiest > Broadcasters? > > > > Mike > > > > ************** > > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. > Find your > > travel deal here. > > > > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 20:12:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46288 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 03:12:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 03:12:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 03:12:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 53099 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2008 03:12:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5ISNoIMVM1kGjW36jzyiDJuB9c2g9i1fSveAwcywXu6NELPUdMUQYPepTGDEY1RP.rpQLF1z58D__hovSyjkqbOlafSFzLH_dHof.wCP.aTo5CBGup5X4UiVbo7Dv8hffQk3Ph57IVxk8TV0DzaQ_6EC X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:12:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:12:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <932662.35828.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <515028.52545.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=KEj8ehiHPG_JTzCVjABZ4HuvhvX2B-df87ZObTcceHeGOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Actually, two of the first licensed stations in Mexico were Y-21 and=20 Y-24...but don't ask where, I forgot! We have a station in Michigan called KAR, but I think it might be WKAR, scr= ewing around like they lost their W? In the Flint area, I believe... I'll check closer on that. G --- On Thu, 8/21/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 2:03 PM > I think he was implying that N is a full U.S. prefix we > don't use.=A0 What K stations are in Ohio?=A0 KTGG, the > one in Mi. is because someone @ the F.C.C. in 1985=A0thought > Mi. was the abbreviation for another state.=A0 Maybe MIssouri > or MInnesota.=A0 I had never heard of Y being Mexico but > that's impossible now unless they have an international > Y allocation.=A0 Now, 6D-6J is theirs.=A0 That could prove > interesting! > =A0 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Matthew Elliff > wrote: >=20 > From: Matthew Elliff > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 12:56 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > didn't know n and y were ever used. > On Aug 21, 2008, at 11:54 AM, george russell wrote: >=20 > > Didn't they relax the rules for K and W not too > many years back? > > There are something like 13 K signs in the east now, 2 > in Ohio, and=20 > > at least one in MI. Maybe they should open > "N" back up, just to make=20 > > it interesting, and switch Mexico from "XE" > back to "Y"..."Y" not?=20 > > (groan!) > > G > > > > --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Matthew Elliff com> wrote: > > > > > From: Matthew Elliff > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 12:17 PM > > > hey thanks! i've wondered about this for > years. how k > > > calls are where > > > w calls are and vise versa. thanks, this really > clears > > > stuff for me. > > > wdaf does exist still on the fm side. it's a > wolf > > > format country > > > station. i've been through kc a lot being > from > > > springfield. > > > On Aug 21, 2008, at 8:16 AM, kevin redding wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 21, 2008, at 7:24 AM, John P. wrote: > > > > > > > > > I always tried to figure out how KC had > two > > > stations with a "W" > > > > > prefix (WHB and WDAF). AM610 had a > smokin AM > > > stereo signal - full > > > > > service - country music, then they went > to > > > sports, dropped the > > > > > stereo AND dropped the W for a K call > back in > > > 1999 or so :( > > > > > > > > Back in the day, the central US states for > about 10 > > > years could have > > > > either a W or a K. This was modified to east > and west > > > of the > > > > Mississippi. > > > > > > > > http://www.oldradio .com/archives/ > general/kwtrivia .htm > > > > > > > > You will find this of interest. > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 20:25:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37971 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 03:25:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 03:25:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 03:25:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 554 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2008 03:25:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VbvraQAVM1kptz0hqOtxdPj_naiOys9pOHh1YgWt8AqxgVfOmeXjPb.a9GDsYP3xW1S0zSIzkja9Pxuu3lDfoY1b42SxU7_7cOImcapWrKqznXnetMOyB96XccLfZ5ykq2icYpZOqHetgyHpn4p6M5wJ X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:25:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:25:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080822021241.5B6C311581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <900698.504.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=URBUcQFhpfJSSH_3CfDu5mpKhaLm2cW-tSJIexsmakUjgg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yup, seems like a lot of stations went stereo...then went all news/talk. What a waste. Historically, this is nothing new, one of the first all news stations, XETRA (as in "EXTRA, extra, read all about it"...) was also the first in North America to officially go full-time AM stereo, in Kahn ISB (not counting numerous stations that experimented with stereo, but only as tests) Maybe this has always been a way to get commercials to jump out at the listener? Our local flame-thrower, WJR, used to broadcast music in stereo, then the Tigers games, man did THAT sound cool, but now it's all talk in mono... guess they figured Rush's five chins couldn't be adequately covered by just two audio channels! :>) G G --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Joseph Rouse wrote: > From: Joseph Rouse > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 10:12 PM > Hi All, Does anyone have any knowledge as to how KYW 1060 AM > in > Philadelphia got it's "K" call sign? I > believe they began in Philly in > the 1950s or 60s, after the east / west W / K guidelines > were already > established. This station at one time had a nice sounding > 50kw CQuam > signal. As a news station it was not too apparent until > you heard the > stereo music built into the commercials. I think the > production crew > worked pretty hard at getting the right music into as many > spots as > possible because a lot of them had it. They have since gone > the way of > IBOC. On another note, I remember, as a kid, they began > broadcasting > "All news, all the time" in 1965. I thought this > was a terrible idea & > wrote them a letter (remember those) to tell them so. Long > story short, > they are still doing it, & have been consistently one > of the highest > rated area radio stations for at least 20 years. Our local > radio > columnists often refer to KYW as the "Rock of > Gibralter". So much for my > programming prowess. (heavy sigh) Good night & God > bless.Joe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mjgrant@aol.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:49:35 EDT > > > It's because the station got its call sign before the > "W" and "K" > convention > like KDKA in Pittsburgh and WOAI in San Antonio. > > WDAF has dial advantage. WHB was 10,000 watts. WHB's > directional > array > formed more or less a N-S and E-W cloverleaf. > > Kansas City shared something with New York City. Like the > old > WNBC/WABC/WCBS > 660/770/880 khz, Kansas City had WDAF, WHB, KCMO at > 610/710/810. > > Mike > > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. > Find your > travel deal here. > > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > > -- > Be Yourself @ mail.com! > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 21:21:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11940 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 04:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 04:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.147) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 04:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 04:21:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 04:21:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 04:21:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:21:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <900698.504.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.9.247 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=QoB2wo1mWUYnNtpkCIHV4teJK0WObFmtZAAAxPeca_vXOkq6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Yup, seems like a lot of stations went stereo...then went all news/talk. > What a waste. Historically, this is nothing new, one of the first all news stations, XETRA (as in "EXTRA, extra, read all about it"...) was also the first in North America to officially go full-time AM stereo, in Kahn ISB (not counting numerous stations that experimented with stereo, but only as tests) > Maybe this has always been a way to get commercials to jump out at the listener? Kahn had a direct hand in it- It was, for a time, owned by Kahn Communications, inc., to which he was fed up with how the FCC and others involved in the '60s stereo fiasco, so to skirt around the FCC, he bought up XETRA and converted it to his ISB system- I believe by 1968. It would remain stereo until 1988 or '89. The Mighty 690 went sports by then. It DID have great-sounding oldies in stereo... Only one station, as far as I know, has been continuously stereo longer than XETRA, and that was- WAS, mind you- KFI, from 1979 (one of the original Harris stations) until January 2001. As for earliest station ever wired for stereo, I'm not sure- WNBC (which also held the calls WRCA at the same time), WCBS, KDKA and WTOP were all set up for stereo. (WTOP was the proverbial "guinea pig" for all the systems as demonstrated for the FCC in the DC area.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 21:27:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78552 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 04:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 04:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.138) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 04:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n11.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 04:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 04:27:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 04:27:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:27:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <95D35030-07A4-4DBF-80D2-00672FCA4C73@yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.9.247 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=wNVROMf9b5Mi3gHAWZsCAG7OIo95rS155S9DW5MkWEhsSnPO X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding wrote: > > > Hi All, Does anyone have any knowledge as to how KYW 1060 AM in > > Philadelphia got it's "K" call sign? >=20 > KYW started in Chicago WAY back. The transmitter was moved to PA and=20=20 > kept the calls attached to the xmitter. Reminds me of KCBS-AM in San Francisco and KCBS-FM & TV in Los Angeles.... Yes, same calls but two COLs hundreds of miles apart. (KCBS-AM 740 is the former KQW, the oldest radio station in America- Been continuously broadcasting regularly-scheduled broadcasts since 1909!) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jmrouse@mail.com Thu Aug 21 21:47:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21943 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 04:47:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 04:47:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 04:47:09 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id D6E7418001A5 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:47:07 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.55) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 22 Aug 2008 04:46:49 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B6AAE104F0; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:47:07 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:47:07 -0500 X-Received: from [96.227.43.33] by ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:47:07 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20080822044707.B6AAE104F0@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=sPTJLvtaWmuyub95gejdfvoGO3ucJ2QhFijQRZBIIVe8Rx-A0NlO X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Yeah I know what you mean. I sometimes hear Dr Laura here in Philly on WJR= . There was a time in this area you could listen to:=20 Top 40 MOR (A/C?) Spanish music Classical Country & Western Pop standards=20 Gospel Local sports Interesting talk (eg Jean Shepherd) Drama (Radio Mystery Theater - great shows) Rhythm & Blues / Soul=20 Big bands & swing and probably a lot more I cant remember, all without leaving the AM dial. = For the longest time, I thought the only thing I needed an FM radio for was= summer thunderstorms. Seems hard to believe now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "george russell"=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Yup, seems like a lot of stations went stereo...then went all news/talk. What a waste. Historically, this is nothing new, one of the first=20 all news stations, XETRA (as in "EXTRA, extra, read all about=20 it"...) was also the first in North America to officially go=20 full-time AM stereo, in Kahn ISB (not counting numerous stations=20 that experimented with stereo, but only as tests) Maybe this has always been a way to get commercials to jump out at=20 the listener? Our local flame-thrower, WJR, used to broadcast music in stereo,=20 then the Tigers games, man did THAT sound cool, but now it's all=20 talk in mono... guess they figured Rush's five chins couldn't be adequately covered=20 by just two audio channels! :>) G G --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Joseph Rouse wrote: > From: Joseph Rouse=20 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 10:12 PM > Hi All, Does anyone have any knowledge as to how KYW 1060 AM > in > Philadelphia got it's "K" call sign? I > believe they began in Philly in > the 1950s or 60s, after the east / west W / K guidelines > were already > established. This station at one time had a nice sounding > 50kw CQuam > signal. As a news station it was not too apparent until > you heard the > stereo music built into the commercials. I think the > production crew > worked pretty hard at getting the right music into as many > spots as > possible because a lot of them had it. They have since gone > the way of > IBOC. On another note, I remember, as a kid, they began > broadcasting > "All news, all the time" in 1965. I thought this > was a terrible idea & > wrote them a letter (remember those) to tell them so. Long > story short, > they are still doing it, & have been consistently one > of the highest > rated area radio stations for at least 20 years. Our local > radio > columnists often refer to KYW as the "Rock of > Gibralter". So much for my > programming prowess. (heavy sigh) Good night & God > bless.Joe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mjgrant@aol.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:49:35 EDT > > > It's because the station got its call sign before the > "W" and "K" > convention > like KDKA in Pittsburgh and WOAI in San Antonio. > > WDAF has dial advantage. WHB was 10,000 watts. WHB's > directional > array > formed more or less a N-S and E-W cloverleaf. > > Kansas City shared something with New York City. Like the > old > WNBC/WABC/WCBS > 660/770/880 khz, Kansas City had WDAF, WHB, KCMO at > 610/710/810. > > Mike > > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. > Find your > travel deal here. > > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=3Daoltrv00050000000047) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > > -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links --=20 Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From jmrouse@mail.com Thu Aug 21 22:28:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36210 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 05:28:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 05:28:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 05:28:14 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id B34C8180030C for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:28:09 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.70) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 22 Aug 2008 05:27:51 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A4AD232675A; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:28:09 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:28:09 -0500 X-Received: from [96.227.43.33] by ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:28:09 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20080822052809.A4AD232675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=z83z1qbctAxIXtkT4B8pmDj_kDlnvmEFLufHlQDROEJqIThVs-Xb X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Amy, You are right about 66 WNBC. They had a GREAT sounding stereo=20 signal using the Kahn Hazeltine system. I made a open reel tape of=20 the Poiner Sisters "I'm So Excited" from this station, & from the=20 local "Power 99 FM".=20 The vast majority of people who listened to this comparison,=20 preferred the recording made from WNBC.=20 One of the stereo magazines (I think it was Stereo Review) used to=20 use WNBC for their test station whenever they tested AM stereo=20 receivers. I remember them stating that the signal from classical=20 station WQXR 1560 was "too noisey and constricted" to be useful.=20 They still sounded wonderful after the conversion to CQuam, which of course= "The Fan" promptly shut down. Just for the record, the first AM stereo radio station in Philly was a Kahn= Hazeltine outlet, Famous 56, WFIL ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Amy Mousie"=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB=20 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:21:32 -0000=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote:=20 >=20 > Yup, seems like a lot of stations went stereo...then went all news/talk.= =20 > What a waste. Historically, this is nothing new, one of the first=20 all news stations, XETRA (as in "EXTRA, extra, read all about it"...)=20 was also the first in North America to officially go full-time AM=20 stereo, in Kahn ISB (not counting numerous stations that experimented=20 with stereo, but only as tests)=20 > Maybe this has always been a way to get commercials to jump out at=20 the listener?=20 Kahn had a direct hand in it- It was, for a time, owned by Kahn=20 Communications, inc., to which he was fed up with how the FCC and=20 others involved in the '60s stereo fiasco, so to skirt around the FCC,=20 he bought up XETRA and converted it to his ISB system- I believe by=20 1968. It would remain stereo until 1988 or '89. The Mighty 690 went=20 sports by then. It DID have great-sounding oldies in stereo...=20 Only one station, as far as I know, has been continuously stereo=20 longer than XETRA, and that was- WAS, mind you- KFI, from 1979 (one of=20 the original Harris stations) until January 2001.=20 As for earliest station ever wired for stereo, I'm not sure- WNBC=20 (which also held the calls WRCA at the same time), WCBS, KDKA and WTOP=20 were all set up for stereo. (WTOP was the proverbial "guinea pig" for=20 all the systems as demonstrated for the FCC in the DC area.)=20 Amy. <:3 )~~8~=20 ------------------------------------=20 Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at:=20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links=20 --=20 Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 01:33:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23555 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 08:33:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 08:33:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.136) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 08:33:41 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n9.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 08:33:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 08:33:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 08:33:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:33:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080822052809.A4AD232675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.32.7 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=eznHQVr2VvLvL0WLwf1e4weEXVgf0g_XNb-bZQCkzoUEG2t7 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Rouse" wrote: > > Amy, > You are right about 66 WNBC. They had a GREAT sounding stereo=20 > signal using the Kahn Hazeltine system. I made a open reel tape of=20 > the Poiner Sisters "I'm So Excited" from this station, & from the=20 > local "Power 99 FM".=20 >=20 > The vast majority of people who listened to this comparison,=20 > preferred the recording made from WNBC.=20 WNBC was also the test station for RCA's AM stereo tests from 1958-1961, testing out every single system RCA had patented (about 5 of them!), but most notably for their AM-FM system (later modified by Belar, then dropped altogether, during the '70s/'80s tests). (Most seem to forget that AM stereo had been around ALOT longer than simply the '70s/'80s tests and the infamous marketplace decision. There have been AM stereo systems proposed and patented every single decade between the 1920s and the 1980s.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 01:58:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87632 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 08:58:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 08:58:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.185) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 08:58:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6483 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2008 08:58:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 16bZAvUVM1mdZyMS4mcGRafAOhJbxFJmy4d2zXQroi2va4ZCiRMyCAIF7d4zy27YzYXhrO44stchuHadszGWiPpM0Ip5oDCjwnHa3W2E_053dXfGCm_qu8oQek.IKK4N67gyWibBB.si.K14pj4zHuY- X-Received: from [70.20.0.242] by web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:58:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:58:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <900698.504.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <781161.4712.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=5F-cwJ4mf1_DRAlV_tYd479cioyLf0xQmqYkNDqKDz05U28bAZv2 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What the hell does THAT have to do with A.M. stereo?!=A0 Besides, the guy l= ost a lot of weight! guess they figured Rush's five chins couldn't be adequately covered by just= two audio channels! :>) G G=20=20 --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Joseph Rouse wrote: > From: Joseph Rouse > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 10:12 PM > Hi All, Does anyone have any knowledge as to how KYW 1060 AM > in > Philadelphia got it's "K" call sign? I > believe they began in Philly in > the 1950s or 60s, after the east / west W / K guidelines > were already > established. This station at one time had a nice sounding > 50kw CQuam > signal. As a news station it was not too apparent until > you heard the > stereo music built into the commercials. I think the > production crew > worked pretty hard at getting the right music into as many > spots as > possible because a lot of them had it. They have since gone > the way of > IBOC. On another note, I remember, as a kid, they began > broadcasting > "All news, all the time" in 1965. I thought this > was a terrible idea & > wrote them a letter (remember those) to tell them so. Long > story short, > they are still doing it, & have been consistently one > of the highest > rated area radio stations for at least 20 years. Our local > radio > columnists often refer to KYW as the "Rock of > Gibralter". So much for my > programming prowess. (heavy sigh) Good night & God > bless.Joe >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mjgrant@aol. com > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:49:35 EDT >=20 >=20 > It's because the station got its call sign before the > "W" and "K" > convention > like KDKA in Pittsburgh and WOAI in San Antonio. >=20 > WDAF has dial advantage. WHB was 10,000 watts. WHB's > directional > array > formed more or less a N-S and E-W cloverleaf. >=20 > Kansas City shared something with New York City. Like the > old > WNBC/WABC/WCBS > 660/770/880 khz, Kansas City had WDAF, WHB, KCMO at > 610/710/810. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************ ** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. > Find your > travel deal here. >=20 >=20=20 > (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=3Daoltrv00050 000000047) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Be Yourself @ mail.com! > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 06:00:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47987 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 13:00:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 13:00:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 13:00:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 47492 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2008 13:00:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: n_ixhs4VM1n2.0IA.5ExPfQhWSggwTgY3u10oFlWy3FCiajesij2SZpm5tjLFwj83s_d4WcYo4uuM_ruqatJkKWQcYlyglcfCGcn3eriuHQOtROed3KiGVfzXkMs6w-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 06:00:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 06:00:25 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <365852.46320.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=G1apcs8DL75fKdNPnFtCy52K0EbVsO7PhLMI5Fj10M8nND5CdXuksW0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio This is a good way to start a friendly arguement; which of the various AM stereo systems sounded/sounds best? I vote for the original Harris system. Probably sounded better beacause of the synchronous detection it used. Even on the encoder that I built, I could get decent Harris stereo from CKLW and WHAS and I'm thinkin even WSM was Harris at first? I also believe one of the Chicago blowtorches were Harris, like WGN? Never could get WOWO to sound decent for some reason - kind of bassy. My local switched from Kahn to CQuam before I built the CQuam & Harris decoders, and before the SRF-A100 days, so I was only able to listen to them using 2 portables tuned above and below, and it wasn't a very good way to test it. Third generation CQuam chips though were quite sweet though too. Next....? John From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 06:16:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66960 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 13:16:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 13:16:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.222) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 13:16:34 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 13:16:34 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.69] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 13:16:34 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 13:16:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 996410.37624.bm@omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 83961 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 13:16:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.9 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 13:16:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: L4hgFxIVM1kIXh6Zjsq_epiK7tYB_RMkwU14zKjmMNo2x8IDxRcWizJIHyaT7FpWgP9KgXktpxjUx7OuAhrgPYD5HJbZjDCuCqlzFGOgKXLTnDaGAKIbbqqK7nBQ0lqlkg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <365852.46320.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <365852.46320.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:16:32 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.222 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Hm9KIMHC4XsLr7F6TS8TwxKIr95ZsTxEyZluaEHyaPDFQUhhog X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 22, 2008, at 8:00 AM, John P. wrote: > This is a good way to start a friendly arguement; which of the > various AM stereo systems sounded/sounds best? Well its kind of subjective.... If you can deal with the static in both ears during lightning season any analog AM stereo is good. Thats the downfall of all analog AM signals, the static. If you are close enough to the station at night, for analog, C-QUAM is awesome. If you DX, Kahn smokes the pants off all of them in analog. For the average Giuseppi Schmuckatelli, Motorola C-QUAM was the best and for analog its the best. If you think static sucks, then HD radio on MW and in stereo can be superb if you are close enough to hear it. Its great because on MW like RDS you get to see on the LCD who the station is that you are listening to. I have heard stations that sound excellent on MW in HD radio and some that sounded like crap low bandwidth internet feeds about 16k. If the stations would turn up their power on HD, I would say HD is best. If hybrid mode is turned off and pure digital is used, I would say hands down HD wins. That might not be making me a lot of friends on this mail list but its the way I see it. Motorola analog is good and can sound great if you are local, HD if you are local sounds as good if not better and is better only because of the lack of static. I just wish they would get away from hybrid and go totally digital if they are going to do this. Kevin Adamsville, TN From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 06:54:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57613 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 13:54:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 13:54:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.234) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 13:54:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23696 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2008 13:54:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _UGH6eYVM1mV07SEZYdOqzSN2RF3gI5SmGmesSiytjuNmzGcN_M_3gZ5KBpTQf7hwA-- X-Received: from [70.20.0.242] by web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 06:54:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 06:54:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <365852.46320.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <69753.23130.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=9cK_RNUN0bVyLZqdos-NcIDDKABSilvQ9cTG9rXCOBwSDQHvjFwg X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A few years ago (~2001), Kevin T. posted part-15 recordings of all systems = & I have to say Magnavox, the original F.C.C. choice, sounded best.=A0 Coup= le that with Steely Dan's Aja L.P. & you have some sonic goodness! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Fri, 8/22/08, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 9:00 AM =20=20=20=20 This is a good way to start a friendly arguement; which of the = various AM stereo systems sounded/sounds best? I vote for the original Harris system. Probably sounded better beacause of= the synchronous detection it used. Even on the encoder that I built, I co= uld get decent Harris stereo from CKLW and WHAS and I'm thinkin even WSM wa= s Harris at first? I also believe one of the Chicago blowtorches were Harr= is, like WGN? Never could get WOWO to sound decent for some reason - kind of bassy. My l= ocal switched from Kahn to CQuam before I built the CQuam & Harris decoders= , and before the SRF-A100 days, so I was only able to listen to them using = 2 portables tuned above and below, and it wasn't a very good way to test it= . Third generation CQuam chips though were quite sweet though too. Next....? John=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Aug 22 07:42:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53904 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 14:42:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 14:42:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 14:42:44 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.d34.34623e37 (42805) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:42:24 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=-w2jTbTHr4sbqGHXcljx2rQtiYiRSRTLQhUgqJ-Yl4iXVO8foxTT05JDj3yiQbay X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're right, Amy. WNBC was a beta site for the RCA Broadcast Products division. I believe WNBC had an Ampliphase in those days as most, if not all, the NBC flagship stations. Kept in proper adjustment, which was no minor task, an Amphliphase transmitter had outstanding performance for its day. Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Aug 22 07:45:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84388 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 14:45:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 14:45:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 14:45:52 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.d1e.2ff1cd1e (42805) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:45:41 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ml-vJM0mSc-KDmxCkAthcVSojG7o6DnvyLlOcWxBxZr_QbSPZ-OjaJB26uQ02D81 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/21/08 9:44:04 PM Central Daylight Time, big_h00pla@yahoo.com writes: > The United States had at one time a class of transmitters called > portable transmitters. Most were on trucks. Having worked in the defense industry, that would meet the Army's definition of "portable" so long as the truck has two handles and was painted olive drab. Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Aug 22 07:48:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46580 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 14:48:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 14:48:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 14:48:36 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.bf0.3594cb4f (42805) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:48:26 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: C-QUAM and Armed Forces Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=bf1y9M-D5sp8TSZHTEyDfyd5nDXiNYvsOyLcLQ49I6l9u2MpS0ghH4b4xYOJuHUP X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know if Armed Forces Radio ever did anything with C-QUAM? Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Aug 22 08:20:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77264 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 15:20:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 15:20:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 15:20:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.caa.3274a293 (14502) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:20:40 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=nBVheTmSY0LlciyKImsvuepXuiDqqwtR1qWrV8tI5gFfhLqm3QKCOQFRuEgphDe4 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/08 3:59:03 AM Central Daylight Time, a1asurfradio@yahoo.com writes: > What the hell does THAT have to do with A.M. stereo?! Besides, the guy > lost a lot of weight! > > guess they figured Rush's five chins couldn't be adequately covered by just > two audio channels! :>) G > > G > I can't figure out what post this is in response to on this thread. Sounds like the talk radio conversative vs. liberal thing. Personally, I can't stand Rush. However, he is the father of Talk Radio as we know it today and deserves that credit. Makes you wonder what would be on AM radio without him. I don't know about the "five chin" comment. I do know most insiders believe his failure on TV was due to the low penetration of widescreen HDTV at the time to accommodate his girth. As the poster notes, Rush does deserve credit for losing weight although I heard most of his weightloss was achieved with a simple enema. Some people say he got a gastric bypass, but I think they have that confused with the brain bypass he had a number of years ago. Getting back to WHB, way back when, Rush was doing something in KC radio, but not talk. Sports, I think. Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 10:10:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63157 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 17:10:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 17:10:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 17:10:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87846 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2008 17:10:53 -0000 X-Received: from [64.222.43.246] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:10:53 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:10:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <602951.85830.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=LPNcvMeJqwbXhrZ6mCU9--ARdDnqVwbxK2R1gJfgOlcXZoGrixE4 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It was one of the WHB threads in reference to WJR.=A0 The whole conservativ= e vs. liberal thing happened when I was on vacation in Florida (yes, in Aug= ust!- for my birthday!) so to be honest, I thought the whole thing was goin= g to drive off Scott which would mean the A.M.S. brain trust would be one l= ess which we can't afford.=A0 There have been too many that have left. As for Rush in K.C., I think it was KFIX that he was on there or KMBZ.=A0 M= aybe both & KFIX was in the '70s & KMBZ was in the '80s. What would A.M. be without him?=A0 Sadly, I think there would have been a h= igher rate of stations going off air.=A0 Supposedly the '80s' talk networks= like Superadio & Talknet weren't doing that well & were kind of fluffy in = terms of programming.=A0 Dr. Joy Browne stuff.=A0 Honestly, whenever I hear= her I know it's probably a 3rd-rate station.=A0 Same with Doug Stephan's G= ood Day.=A0 Here's a future O.T. thread: satellite shows that are the mark = of a truly bad station! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Fri, 8/22/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 11:20 AM =20=20=20=20 In a message dated 8/22/08 3:59:03 AM Central Daylight Time,=20 a1asurfradio@ yahoo.com writes: > What the hell does THAT have to do with A.M. stereo?! Besides, the guy=20 > lost a lot of weight! >=20 > guess they figured Rush's five chins couldn't be adequately covered by ju= st=20 > two audio channels! :>) G >=20 > G=20 >=20 I can't figure out what post this is in response to on this thread. Sounds= =20 like the talk radio conversative vs. liberal thing. Personally, I can't st= and=20 Rush. However, he is the father of Talk Radio as we know it today and=20 deserves that credit. Makes you wonder what would be on AM radio without h= im. I don't know about the "five chin" comment. I do know most insiders believ= e=20 his failure on TV was due to the low penetration of widescreen HDTV at the= =20 time to accommodate his girth. As the poster notes, Rush does deserve cred= it for=20 losing weight although I heard most of his weightloss was achieved with a=20 simple enema. Some people say he got a gastric bypass, but I think they ha= ve=20 that confused with the brain bypass he had a number of years ago. Getting back to WHB, way back when, Rush was doing something in KC radio, b= ut=20 not talk. Sports, I think. Mike ************ ** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your=20 travel deal here. =20=20=20=20=20=20 (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=3Daoltrv00050 000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 10:40:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55404 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 17:40:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 17:40:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.227) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 17:40:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 84046 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2008 17:40:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FR.qU4EVM1kM7feetaxkA5yrP7ygGhKl39rNe78uhpLVvxB4c1NVBqrhX0nOltwELKRLkFVRoVw4fx2ESdjdvy0Rv5Kg_o02V6tm_ttIcc.8kC1OwZw1_JPaLsi5c837MQ-- X-Received: from [64.222.43.246] by web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:40:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:40:32 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <472914.80974.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=N1S1BXrWmzm7TaSAp--oF3oUDOQJItiBbc8zKiOKtTKpD_EdOvFA X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let's have some radio-geek fun!=A0 Describe what you think is the apex of a= truly bad station.=A0 It doesn't have to be real; in fact mine will be the= oretical.=A0 What do you consider the hallmark of an awful station?=A0 Here= 's mine: 1. NO local programming (or at least none that's not brokered) 2. Shows from the WOR Radio Network or lesser networks (like Accent Radio N= etwork) 3. NO local presence (no H.S.F.B./B.B., no buzz about it, etc.) 4. A rimshotter (usually A.M.) that is trying to hit a larger market that a= flea's fart is louder in.=A0 Especially if it's a directional array that's= sort of pointing AWAY from that city. 5. The automation program is WINAMP! 6. "CBS Radio Networks Channel 43...BEEEEEEEEP...CBS radio networks Channel= 43...." 7. The owner/salesman (if there is one) that makes Herb Tarlek look suave! 8. COLON CLEANSERS ALL DAY! 9. More formats than there are months in any given time frame. 10. Horrible modulation (either 20% for peaks or 200%!) 11. Nobody staffing the station. There are more but I don't want to steal them all! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 11:34:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73509 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 18:34:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 18:34:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com) (216.252.100.58) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 18:34:53 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 18:34:53 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.69] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 18:34:53 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 18:34:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 623798.86131.bm@omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 23280 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 18:34:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.200.246 with plain) by smtp117.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 18:34:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Xp4.KroVM1mlyoMCdnwlJyp_sEGlhnfQ7Doc_FNQySKfLRvFjT4HFkJ1zcLhEdGRbVf9EU4R6V_3CYWPyh1737CC5o43zY.SefBi.nbwN_jHEL_QN690_pY_lbmqHgSmNQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <472914.80974.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <472914.80974.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:34:51 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 216.252.100.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=r45oteM1GvHdrdSGIGzKi_d6ZeFqtcmSip1CUcxjxhphMSKdbg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 22, 2008, at 12:40 PM, JNR wrote: > Describe what you think is the apex of a truly bad station. KFNX/WALE when they were with North American Broadcasting. I can't think of anything worse than that. I remember when KFNX bought out KCCF with its excellent AM stereo. I almost wanted to cry when they turned it off and put the crap on that they did. Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Aug 22 11:41:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90119 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 18:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 18:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 18:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c22.435c2d7b (42808) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:41:54 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=y0zZDsqxanwP6_zjjBC4IImH6GCqRBnHvSLg9r1FoL_uzht1zoMTMU552nGPX3RT X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/08 12:12:06 PM Central Daylight Time, a1asurfradio@yahoo.com writes: > As for Rush in K.C., I think it was KFIX that he was on there or KMBZ. > Maybe both & KFIX was in the '70s & KMBZ was in the '80s. > I know it wasn't WBZ, at least when Storz own it. Interesting enough, there was a guy who at KXOK in St. Louis back in the 60s who could have passed for the Rush of today. He tended the bungalow and grounds at Radio Park. That was Todd Storz's true gift, the ability to recognize talent and find just the right place for it at. I remember the Bruce Williams genre of talk radio. Sally Jesse Raphael and company. In fact, she had a syndicated talk show that originated here in St. Louis. I don't think the shift was so much a matter of listenership as sponsorship. Speaking of Kansas City radio, does anyone know the call of the AM Stereo classic music station on 1660 out of K.C.? By the way, I agree about Scott. We need him. We just need to have Rush share some of his meds with him. Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 11:49:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19569 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 18:49:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 18:49:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 18:49:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 89150 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2008 18:49:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xMBZkC8VM1kCrOdJZrnZ3.d78PbsaJLjp_vRAU0.bHyo0gGEN0N4KtrMv.mWMR2iFDk64Ye_4CLolGvRJ1V5F66oKyQgBrgc9I9nmZTzfJIw9xio12DBenHB_iN.MaA0BjcYNr6h_Bl6BWnYm9AvgrM- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:49:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:49:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <646396.89008.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=x9gn-wkSfmEb2r0hritXCF4MTTK4CuNox3TSYMjqKuA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Probably only if you take some of the back pain.=A0 I know someone that had= the surgery, and no pain reliver makes it tolerable. He told his doctor if= he were a dog he would have been euthanized.=20 =A0 Powell=20 NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 8/22/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: By the way, I agree about Scott. We need him. We just need to have Rush=20 share some of his meds with him. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Aug 22 11:57:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20543 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 18:57:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 18:57:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 18:57:03 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c04.440cf8a9 (42808) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:56:59 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=-bAt4Drhbcr-JwupmzGvVFR0ErDTGKAOAPg9PolGoqDnLZ5KiVZ58YqxAw1_krou X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/08 12:41:07 PM Central Daylight Time, a1asurfradio@yahoo.com writes: > 8. COLON CLEANSERS ALL DAY! > I sent away for that. The problem was after I used it, I had amnesia for a week. You forgot "Natural Male Enhancement". One of those companies gets those worked-in "I use it myself" pitches for their product on one of local evening drive shows here. Sad. Jay, I think you have real V.P. potential at Clear Channel. Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gowrone@gmail.com Fri Aug 22 11:58:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gowrone@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88480 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 18:58:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 18:58:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.173) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 18:58:08 -0000 X-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id e2so205838ugf.27 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:58:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.222.6 with SMTP id u6mr76642ugg.21.1219431485964; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [12.227.170.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q40sm59267ugc.23.2008.08.22.11.58.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <7FC57359-36F7-4310-92BA-0A51F4598BAA@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:57:41 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Matthew Elliff Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=285717100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kxtr On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:41 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/22/08 12:12:06 PM Central Daylight Time, > a1asurfradio@yahoo.com writes: > > > As for Rush in K.C., I think it was KFIX that he was on there or > KMBZ. > > Maybe both & KFIX was in the '70s & KMBZ was in the '80s. > > > > I know it wasn't WBZ, at least when Storz own it. Interesting > enough, there > was a guy who at KXOK in St. Louis back in the 60s who could have > passed for > the Rush of today. He tended the bungalow and grounds at Radio Park. > That was > Todd Storz's true gift, the ability to recognize talent and find > just the > right place for it at. > > I remember the Bruce Williams genre of talk radio. Sally Jesse > Raphael and > company. In fact, she had a syndicated talk show that originated > here in St. > Louis. > I don't think the shift was so much a matter of listenership as > sponsorship. > > Speaking of Kansas City radio, does anyone know the call of the AM > Stereo > classic music station on 1660 out of K.C.? > > By the way, I agree about Scott. We need him. We just need to have > Rush > share some of his meds with him. > > Mike > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel > deal here. > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 12:40:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27317 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 19:40:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 19:40:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 19:40:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96956 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2008 19:40:53 -0000 X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:40:53 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:40:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <546740.96272.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=NNvh9JA54rgLfvmJAXa1kASjhSPy1TYZJNNCGqWk71EQRJfvwf23 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I still would like to thank the person gave the *anonymous* tip to the F.C.= C.!=A0 Yes, WALE/KCCF were just about the worst of the worst.=A0 I may have= a tape around somewhere recorded late @ night but nothing can possibly beg= in to get the idea across of how bad they were.=A0 Neo-Nazi shows anyone? =A0 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Fri, 8/22/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 2:34 PM On Aug 22, 2008, at 12:40 PM, JNR wrote: > Describe what you think is the apex of a truly bad station. KFNX/WALE when they were with North American Broadcasting. I can't=20 think of anything worse than that. I remember when KFNX bought out KCCF with its excellent AM stereo. I=20 almost wanted to cry when they turned it off and put the crap on that=20 they did. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Aug 22 12:51:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50837 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 19:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 19:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.183) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 19:51:10 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k22so207804waf.20 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:51:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.133.1 with SMTP id g1mr1491075wad.123.1219434669775; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.108? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm1915737yxj.7.2008.08.22.12.51.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:16:54 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=D2v_f4nZz9Nlafpb1vaChjTUphwoSg7iqFWhwSwIDlw8iaHv34NYF0Ng55K8nw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 22, 2008, at 10:42 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Kept in proper adjustment, which was no minor task, an Amphliphase > transmitter had outstanding performance for its day. And the 50 KW was nowhere near the nightmare the 5 KW was in that matter. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Aug 22 12:52:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83554 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 19:52:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 19:52:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.182) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 19:52:42 -0000 X-Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f47so408143pye.6 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:52:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.255.1 with SMTP id c1mr1505129wai.87.1219434761575; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.108? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm1915737yxj.7.2008.08.22.12.52.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <365852.46320.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:50:49 -0400 References: <365852.46320.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.166.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=qCAPfDyriefrIF960SqFa3ZYjwq4LkaIf1ngskHp0bhPKLqcffj987_iPt5B8w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 22, 2008, at 9:00 AM, John P. wrote: > which of the various AM stereo systems sounded/sounds best? In less than perfect conditions, KAHN ISB wins that one hands down. it is the only one that sounds GREAT on Skywave. C-QUAM does sound better in a perfect conditions with a City Grade signal. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 12:57:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16747 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 19:57:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 19:57:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.144) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 19:57:17 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 19:57:17 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.251] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 19:57:17 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 19:57:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 531486.4141.bm@omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 87457 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 19:57:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.200.246 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 19:57:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fD0t3GcVM1l6L4CsCVi2vpxStqwzRT.fwg9K2MWXJoV2t05qCi268fshgZkuqe4eH05NSKIk.8ugL4XImvz1v4MFnX1sUs3Tcf1qjq5Ez3RMMsU.O4uVHv9sATD9SxZ5Ww-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <546740.96272.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <546740.96272.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2364D5B7-5A65-4E40-9D7E-7991A8DA4279@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:57:14 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=v6eK9Gx8paANg41ORXMfKBCURr4U3NSnBqDMsRc_CxbZXIxuJg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I still would like to thank the person gave the *anonymous* tip to > the F.C.C.! I have a REAL GOOD idea who it could have been on the Phoenix end. Couldn't say about if anyone from Providence did anything simultaneously. > Yes, WALE/KCCF were just about the worst of the worst. I have never seen another radio station like them since they got the heave ho and sold. There were shows for whores on after 10 at night. Its the first time I heard that one ever when I heard it on KFNX. Shows for porn stores and all kinds of useless patent medicine. Gold hucksters, con artists and every kind of useless crap on earth. 24/7 informercials for colon blow and you name it for a dollar a holler. > I may have a tape around somewhere recorded late @ night but > nothing can possibly begin to get the idea across of how bad they > were. Neo-Nazi shows anyone? I remember the Neo-Nazi shows on at 2 or 3 in the afternoon on Saturday. I was tuning around to hear Arizona Wildcats football and ran across it and had to stop to hear it because I couldn't believe it was on. The KKK was on there. Every sort of corruption on earth was there. They loved to go at night in Phoenix on certain shows and run the full 50 kW when they were authorized only 1 kW just because the whore [escorts] and the porn store show were paying. They would turn it up for the ska punk show too but I didn't mind because I don't hate ska punk music. I understand they NEVER paid their people or any of their bills either. Those station was a true steaming platter of hot feces. I don't miss it and hope radio in general never goes there again. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Aug 22 13:26:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76633 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 20:26:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 20:26:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.29) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 20:26:34 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so351055yxg.37 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:26:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.73.14 with SMTP id v14mr1511375waa.163.1219436793661; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.108? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm1927069yxd.2.2008.08.22.13.26.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6A86D1B0-55DB-48CD-95DC-C28EBC629C17@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <472914.80974.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:25:38 -0400 References: <472914.80974.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=2CF09MA3p2awsT2lXYThww9PwKiUWwuo03A8SdvLlfa6E1KYV5KA2nGSw4naHg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:40 PM, JNR wrote: > Let's have some radio-geek fun! Describe what you think is the apex > of a truly bad station. It doesn't have to be real; in fact mine > will be theoretical. What do you consider the hallmark of an awful > station? Here's mine: Replace WINAMP with Phantom and you have WFIS! LOL Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Aug 22 13:28:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8938 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 20:28:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 20:28:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.29) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 20:28:43 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so351482yxg.37 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:28:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.148.1 with SMTP id v1mr1504114wad.199.1219436923059; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.108? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm1927069yxd.2.2008.08.22.13.28.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4563E299-D2E6-449B-9E30-1109C89AE7A7@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:28:28 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.29 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM and Armed Forces Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=MyXBKMXayB43xeTW-RNgBbSnVkr6Qb07vPHge3OZsxJnzGBYW2PQKyLWC9x-KQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 22, 2008, at 10:48 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know if Armed Forces Radio ever did anything with C-QUAM? Armed Forces Radio is in Single Sideband Mode making C-QUAM impossible. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 13:35:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57284 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 20:35:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 20:35:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 20:35:56 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 20:35:55 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.65] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 20:35:55 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp417.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 20:35:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 857838.78597.bm@omp417.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 18881 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 20:35:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.200.246 with plain) by smtp116.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 20:35:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qwb1qv0VM1mp2zuH3Mk1N9nQrbDf29JSlzuVyAEgWJkqCvyBzhkdYIZm1nrnyn8kmkDRse8KX39XOtLN6YUWXRyzsZRoTpNKtayosH7vOPvsasqgZ_ssQIhe4yxMIKt8OA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4563E299-D2E6-449B-9E30-1109C89AE7A7@gmail.com> References: <4563E299-D2E6-449B-9E30-1109C89AE7A7@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <361F3747-A143-47FB-9893-902D58551536@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:35:54 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM and Armed Forces Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Iv2FWEBdnEmMSRon6BmA1smuYuB0ojqKgJ8xb7PfHSZXOejQrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla >> Does anyone know if Armed Forces Radio ever did anything with C-QUAM? > > Armed Forces Radio is in Single Sideband Mode making C-QUAM > impossible. Yeah, today but in the 80s and 90s they were in full AM on HF. Kevin From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Aug 22 14:08:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53829 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 21:08:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 21:08:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.232) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 21:08:03 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.18]) by bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:06:20 -0700 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:06:20 -0700 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.110 by BLU108-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:06:12 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:06:12 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2008 21:06:20.0445 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED0014D0:01C9049A] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=nXvAYYzRWaAGyowCF-eqAXpFZ1xJcaxmEmbfD8mWi78fVB79fgTJOPmxHyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, it appears that someone in ClearChannel; Tampa Bay has had you in mind with programming 2 or 4 of their a.m. stations!! One carries CBS news at the top of the hour and the other carries Fox news at the top of the hour, and they do have good signals, but other than that they meet the qualifications of truly bad radio. (infomercials, plenty of dead air during the week and even more on the weekends and on the number 1 a.m. station in the market (WFLA 970) they have live and local only from 5 - 9am, the rest is from the bird and no local news after 7pm, just taped local news Hard to believe that radio is so bad in a top 20 market, but it is. Then we have one religious daytime only (thank heavens!) station that when they can't sell religion are selling vitamins and herbs for about 1/3 of their programming day and they do have the colon cleanse infomercial on frequently. (wonder if John Wayne's family or estate cuts a commission on that?). On that station, WTIS 1110; I have never heard local weather, never heard a time check and of course have never heard any news; I'm sure on September 11th, 2001 they didn't want to interrupt their brokered programming for any news updates. Donn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 14:08:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46126 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 21:08:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 21:08:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.233) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 21:08:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 83408 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2008 21:08:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: taxqjdEVM1ldUD2YRAEF_JjG2UFsZEsSw_QMoTVyJQPuQNK8bRF3k1jWrJAt1e76nkoRxViZNox4un5edExI9HZllsdEpflCBXodyIcNFepHIUUrEQHL2KH8AMVkAFxNNL78IyAGm.9huy._36FBGVw- X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:08:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:08:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <631347.80160.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=sOLPBam4E9tt_KJTnAB-hlGrsWHvbChxBOu3gm-Z-XpmvyYbsWyv X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OH NO!=A0 WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?!=A0 Well, if anything I can try for C-= QUAM to get turned back on @ C.C..=A0 "No, no.=A0 Stereo's great for the bo= ttom line!=A0 Plus it makes you virile!" =A0 Was smiling Bob involved with that ad too?=A0 "This is Bob.=A0 He's used na= tural male enhancement.=A0 See that grin?=A0 We put Botox in his cheeks & m= ind too!" On Fri, 8/22/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 2:56 PM In a message dated 8/22/08 12:41:07 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 a1asurfradio@ yahoo.com writes: > 8. COLON CLEANSERS ALL DAY! >=20 I sent away for that. The problem was after I used it, I had amnesia for a= =20 week. You forgot "Natural Male Enhancement" . One of those companies gets those=20 worked-in "I use it myself" pitches for their product on one of local eveni= ng=20 drive shows here. Sad. Jay, I think you have real V.P. potential at Clear Channel. Mike ************ ** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your=20 travel deal here. (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=3Daoltrv00050 000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Fri Aug 22 14:57:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77602 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 21:57:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 21:57:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n33b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.215) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 21:57:14 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 21:57:14 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 21:57:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 21:57:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:57:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.58.159 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=rMenP5R-BmjiIzjNEIveSwG2bsYZBtVwCRDjnWe0AB8SSOV21hwx X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 1909... sure puts KDKA, WBZ, and CINW (ex-CIQC,CFCF,and XWA) in the dust. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding > wrote: > > > > > Hi All, Does anyone have any knowledge as to how KYW 1060 AM in > > > Philadelphia got it's "K" call sign? > >=20 > > KYW started in Chicago WAY back. The transmitter was moved to PA and = =20 > > kept the calls attached to the xmitter. >=20 > Reminds me of KCBS-AM in San Francisco and KCBS-FM & TV in Los > Angeles.... Yes, same calls but two COLs hundreds of miles apart. >=20 > (KCBS-AM 740 is the former KQW, the oldest radio station in America- > Been continuously broadcasting regularly-scheduled broadcasts since 1909!) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 15:45:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55539 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 22:45:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 22:45:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.8) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 22:45:41 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 22:45:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 22:45:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:45:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.32.7 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=al_Eq-uXAkfF_2lKuuLRQkg1xlpHZkdrJ-yeWhvhMRnGLLlk X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > You're right, Amy. WNBC was a beta site for the RCA Broadcast Products=20 > division. I believe WNBC had an Ampliphase in those days as most, if not all, the=20 > NBC flagship stations. >=20 > Kept in proper adjustment, which was no minor task, an Amphliphase=20 > transmitter had outstanding performance for its day. The info on the WNBC/WRCA tests that were conducted back then are in the DjVu file sitting in the PDF folder here. It's really worth the read. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Aug 22 15:57:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33834 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 22:57:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 22:57:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.30) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 22:57:13 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so362968yxb.67 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:57:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.95.15 with SMTP id s15mr2687365ybb.112.1219445832614; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:57:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.191.13 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80808221557p679e91c2q82391a402785db31@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:57:12 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=fCQQI5Mok0e_c34lvmHJTqM2zcpu1rW40GiCmynS-jrjvn9ZBlUeFrBk X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *Eagerly Raises Hand* God.... I could name some horrible stations, heck I've worked for 3 stations that I would consider steaming, festering, stinkin piles of cow feces. Lets see... A Daytimer that stays on past sunset, a fulltimer that doesnt completely power down.. a station thats been operating on a 250Watt CP since 1989 at 1KW! A Station that doesn't ID properly. Oh, and I PERSONALLY know and have seen a station, which plays music, that used Winamp!! I've heard some horrible pieces of trash in my travels! Hey Powell, how about the station that sounds like they play 20 year old horribly worn out cassettes on a 40 year old cassette player with bad heads submurged 20 feet deep in a murky swamp? Paul Walker www.realradiousa.com On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:45 PM, wrote: > O.T.: Truly bad radio stations > Posted > by: "JNR" a1asurfradio@yahoo.com > > a1asurfradio Fri Aug 22, 2008 > 10:40 am (PDT) Let's have some radio-geek fun! Describe what you think is > the apex of a truly bad station. It doesn't have to be real; in fact mine > will be theoretical. What do you consider the hallmark of an awful > station? Here's mine: > > 1. NO local programming (or at least none that's not brokered) > 2. Shows from the WOR Radio Network or lesser networks (like Accent Radio > Network) > 3. NO local presence (no H.S.F.B./B.B., no buzz about it, etc.) > 4. A rimshotter (usually A.M.) that is trying to hit a larger market that a > flea's fart is louder in. Especially if it's a directional array that's > sort of pointing AWAY from that city. > 5. The automation program is WINAMP! > 6. "CBS Radio Networks Channel 43...BEEEEEEEEP...CBS radio networks Channel > 43...." > 7. The owner/salesman (if there is one) that makes Herb Tarlek look suave! > 8. COLON CLEANSERS ALL DAY! > 9. More formats than there are months in any given time frame. > 10. Horrible modulation (either 20% for peaks or 200%!) > 11. Nobody staffing the station. > > There are more but I don't want to steal them all! > > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 16:01:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64964 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 23:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 23:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 23:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 23:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 23:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 23:01:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:01:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4563E299-D2E6-449B-9E30-1109C89AE7A7@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.32.7 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM and Armed Forces Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=JcWevFePb-mgS24QxZl8_LVzzbnqSRz1k1TuaSi18EL-s6gc X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter wrote: > >=20 > On Aug 22, 2008, at 10:48 AM, mjgrant@... wrote: >=20 > > Does anyone know if Armed Forces Radio ever did anything with C-QUAM? >=20 > Armed Forces Radio is in Single Sideband Mode making C-QUAM impossible. There is a suppressed-carrier DSB version of C-QUAM Motorola patented, but as far as I know, never used. Insofar as AFRTS (now AFN), you're forgetting that some stations were MW AM as well-- "The Eagle", 810 in Tokyo comes to mind. Most local AFB stations have gone to FM (except for the aforementioned one in Tokyo, which is also the highest-powered AFN station in the world, at 50kW). All of the SW transmitters are SSB (I can get Honolulu @ 10320kHz in the day- I believe it's 5675kHz at night, not sure). As far as I know, absolutely none of them have ever used any kind of AM stereo system. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 16:08:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69227 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 23:07:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 23:07:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n23d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.213) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 23:07:58 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 23:07:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 23:07:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:07:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.32.7 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=r84D78IOabxckwfp5nTKdzbTUHOqCi-gHSKZBNzZjB9nxWAd X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Welch" wrote: > > 1909... sure puts KDKA, WBZ, and CINW (ex-CIQC,CFCF,and XWA) in the dust. Very much so! The station was also the demo broadcaster for the 1915 San Francisco International Exposition (World's Fair), which would help popularise and launch what we now know as commercial broadcasting. KDKA may get the nod for FIRST COMMERCIAL BROADCAST LICENSE, but it was not at all the first broadcaster. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 16:25:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78975 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 23:25:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 23:25:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.127) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 23:25:55 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 23:25:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 23:25:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2008 23:25:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:25:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <365852.46320.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.32.7 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=QDepyVAs6vcwkRg8ZIvVV3MJ_6jvhxwvbYglba4I4NO17hkD X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > This is a good way to start a friendly arguement; which of the various AM stereo systems sounded/sounds best? On paper, the RCA AM-FM system. It had NO out-of-phase noise and was tested under DX conditions. Oh, how I would've loved to have heard a demo broadcast! :) (The RCA/Belar system would not have, given it limited (L-R) to 300Hz-6kHz, unlike the original RCA system that did go up to 10kHz.) Of the systems from the '70s/'80s tests onwards, I'd say Magnavox's PMX (AM-PM) system would've actually been the best overall, had they taken some of Motorola's cues in using limiters. (Some stations DID, but it wasn't part of the system.) Kahn's ISB was easier to DX, but it otherwise was the worst of the four systems in the '80s. I've never gotten the chance to DX a Magnavox in those days, but PLENTY of Harrises, Motorolas and Hahns to choose from. Of them, C-QUAM was actually the best- It really was the best. Harris was a close second- It was a Harris (at the time) station that got me into AMS in the first place, even sounding more lively and lifelike on mono radios at the time. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 16:33:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20931 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2008 23:33:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2008 23:33:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.230) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 23:33:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30560 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2008 23:33:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HX8bavAVM1mQELIUCfBrYInYoZCe5vneq8uGnD7VHhRfzEDkoBFmV5Shcil51c5pGWeaARVDL_Mp4rnWOEO13lpB72DNMKB1wvn_fV3FT71xKguDTzRSlycw8jgHvXUfXLStz5qGoBPSK2fyziXfVu43_vGjPuRMsQ..wfmbHpGLkuQYFNvZ2Vu89_vBRCsNxJbZ._pfmvRIcFG.s_900Rw.iu7pCG_AumGtrWrLCrt2xRnTkCplBEHHyvZQ X-Received: from [64.222.43.246] by web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:33:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:33:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80808221557p679e91c2q82391a402785db31@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <677289.25113.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=Vd2MQQZAj8i49r-HkTVTyQAWS2Y9AyvKvAUkPF6DtWKOfCQZ_VIL X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know.=A0 I was thinking of one of your stations when I put the Winamp aut= omation bit in!=A0 Sadly, I know of another one in this market using it rig= ht now. How about: 12. Not powering down to your proper power @ night then getting defensive w= hen someone points that fact out? 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wro= te: From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: Truly bad radio stations To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 6:57 PM =20=20=20=20 *Eagerly Raises Hand* God.... I could name some horrible statio= ns, heck I've worked for 3 stations that I would consider steaming, festering, stinkin piles of cow feces. Lets see... A Daytimer that stays on past sunset, a fulltimer that doesnt completely power down.. a station thats been operating on a 250Watt CP sinc= e 1989 at 1KW! A Station that doesn't ID properly. Oh, and I PERSONALLY know and have seen a station, which plays music, that used Winamp!! I've heard some horrible pieces of trash in my travels! Hey Powell, how about the station that sounds like they play 20 year old horribly worn out cassettes on a 40 year old cassette player with bad heads submurged 20 feet deep in a murky swamp? Paul Walker www.realradiousa. com On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:45 PM, wrote: > O.T.: Truly bad radio stations > P= osted > by: "JNR" a1asurfradio@ yahoo.com > > a1asurfradio Fri Aug 22, 2008 > 10:40 am (PDT) Let's have some radio-geek fun! Describe what you think i= s > the apex of a truly bad station. It doesn't have to be real; in fact min= e > will be theoretical. What do you consider the hallmark of an awful > station? Here's mine: > > 1. NO local programming (or at least none that's not brokered) > 2. Shows from the WOR Radio Network or lesser networks (like Accent Radio > Network) > 3. NO local presence (no H.S.F.B./B.B. , no buzz about it, etc.) > 4. A rimshotter (usually A.M.) that is trying to hit a larger market that= a > flea's fart is louder in. Especially if it's a directional array that's > sort of pointing AWAY from that city. > 5. The automation program is WINAMP! > 6. "CBS Radio Networks Channel 43...BEEEEEEEEP. ..CBS radio networks Chan= nel > 43...." > 7. The owner/salesman (if there is one) that makes Herb Tarlek look suave= ! > 8. COLON CLEANSERS ALL DAY! > 9. More formats than there are months in any given time frame. > 10. Horrible modulation (either 20% for peaks or 200%!) > 11. Nobody staffing the station. > > There are more but I don't want to steal them all! > > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 18:14:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21340 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 01:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 01:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 01:14:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37523 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2008 01:14:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zbC2QyYVM1krR4CtVX_uOoNOw9c7YOT_YrX39cjw1OtzrbvdlwQUzPAy6ChnAqNt3yObXXYmiNsPufYpd.RwUxf.GU_PqQ0xNs4sb7eLidskEA55lyAl8EIIqRDIWcVLfMeicXp4nYV9_t6P12Xj1KAY X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:14:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:14:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <343459.35223.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=batMCY7K4mf4JDvoKaM1LRYQwas7hRaSuFBC9GR3tN_JFg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 All sounds good to me...but are you SURE Kahn actually bought XETRA? At that time, it was hard enough to get around the Brinkley law, (Form 235a sound familiar?) and outright ownership had to be by a Mexican citizen or company. Even X-ROK 80 was only LEASED to the US company operating it, the actual ownership was Mexican. As far as I know, Kahn was in as tight as he could be with the owners, but the owners were Mexican...correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a while! G --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Amy Mousie wrote: > From: Amy Mousie > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 12:21 AM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > wrote: > > > > Yup, seems like a lot of stations went stereo...then > went all news/talk. > > What a waste. Historically, this is nothing new, one > of the first > all news stations, XETRA (as in "EXTRA, extra, read > all about it"...) > was also the first in North America to officially go > full-time AM > stereo, in Kahn ISB (not counting numerous stations that > experimented > with stereo, but only as tests) > > Maybe this has always been a way to get commercials to > jump out at > the listener? > > Kahn had a direct hand in it- It was, for a time, owned by > Kahn > Communications, inc., to which he was fed up with how the > FCC and > others involved in the '60s stereo fiasco, so to skirt > around the FCC, > he bought up XETRA and converted it to his ISB system- I > believe by > 1968. It would remain stereo until 1988 or '89. The > Mighty 690 went > sports by then. It DID have great-sounding oldies in > stereo... > > Only one station, as far as I know, has been continuously > stereo > longer than XETRA, and that was- WAS, mind you- KFI, from > 1979 (one of > the original Harris stations) until January 2001. > > As for earliest station ever wired for stereo, I'm not > sure- WNBC > (which also held the calls WRCA at the same time), WCBS, > KDKA and WTOP > were all set up for stereo. (WTOP was the proverbial > "guinea pig" for > all the systems as demonstrated for the FCC in the DC > area.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 18:27:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49166 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 01:27:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 01:27:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 01:27:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31394 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2008 01:27:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xcOyzF0VM1nNFAeMyhHCIYkDJ7EWQhwVHF2tBVCt4Sfdb9a5iCM0lNhDNHEdL6ljhhmX.X6.YrVdmnZmIv1eA2N1cdst_3GuZtvRExM0W8uhTLu8k0OgqBaXwVmJv71OohqeHI2sZXQyFhMPdqPQeuzh X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:27:58 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:27:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <365852.46320.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <521391.25874.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=rI05i6z4TNNN1PH0RcdONknGxvczS97qPlGYqmr7KuAGIw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I'll surely be verbally assaulted for this, but the best sounding was Magnavox PMX! It sounded good even through a C-QUAM radio, and absolutely awesome through the SRF-A100 (basically a PMX decoder). A gazillion people thought WOWO was C-QUAM, and never knew they were listening to PMX on their radio! 25 Hz. tone from a cart recorder's cue generator phase-split and fed into the audio did the trick. (They continued to also transmit the 5 Hz.Magnavox pilot as well, FM, +/- 20 Hz., with RDS capabilites...no other system had that! As of last fall, the exciter is still there...) Check out the WOWO posting to Youtube, it was recorded from a C-QUAM radio. "smart. VERY smart!" G --- On Fri, 8/22/08, John P. wrote: > From: John P. > Subject: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? > To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 9:00 AM > This is a good way to start a friendly arguement; which of > the various AM stereo systems sounded/sounds best? > > I vote for the original Harris system. Probably sounded > better beacause of the synchronous detection it used. Even > on the encoder that I built, I could get decent Harris > stereo from CKLW and WHAS and I'm thinkin even WSM was > Harris at first? I also believe one of the Chicago > blowtorches were Harris, like WGN? > > Never could get WOWO to sound decent for some reason - kind > of bassy. My local switched from Kahn to CQuam before I > built the CQuam & Harris decoders, and before the > SRF-A100 days, so I was only able to listen to them using 2 > portables tuned above and below, and it wasn't a very > good way to test it. > > Third generation CQuam chips though were quite sweet though > too. > > Next....? > > John From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 18:36:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5715 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 01:36:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 01:36:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 01:36:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 53701 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2008 01:36:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: x8j05bgVM1mVTj_zwf33RbWf7dYdOmTZ3Ovg6wwMkJ.LtZHpruT3H9CfbY3FcBSPOE_GuJJeozHV44A1262CkA8NSoANfxFW6N2Ez9Dg5j_o0527NCOv5QZGhXYA6kqewIiMNBiQTRmBE7OMlNmqFAHz X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:36:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:36:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <472914.80974.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <642495.53669.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=P4EZhnXyHKuI9PXRZbwqqnx-hOnJPlJsE-EapzLBBKA9UQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 No turntables, No Ampex 350s! G --- On Fri, 8/22/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations > To: "AMSF" > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 1:40 PM > Let's have some radio-geek fun!=A0 Describe what you > think is the apex of a truly bad station.=A0 It doesn't > have to be real; in fact mine will be theoretical.=A0 What do > you consider the hallmark of an awful station?=A0 Here's > mine: >=20 > 1. NO local programming (or at least none that's not > brokered) > 2. Shows from the WOR Radio Network or lesser networks > (like Accent Radio Network) > 3. NO local presence (no H.S.F.B./B.B., no buzz about it, > etc.) > 4. A rimshotter (usually A.M.) that is trying to hit a > larger market that a flea's fart is louder in.=A0 > Especially if it's a directional array that's sort > of pointing AWAY from that city. > 5. The automation program is WINAMP! > 6. "CBS Radio Networks Channel 43...BEEEEEEEEP...CBS > radio networks Channel 43...." > 7. The owner/salesman (if there is one) that makes Herb > Tarlek look suave! > 8. COLON CLEANSERS ALL DAY! > 9. More formats than there are months in any given time > frame. > 10. Horrible modulation (either 20% for peaks or 200%!) > 11. Nobody staffing the station. >=20 > There are more but I don't want to steal them all! >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 18:42:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95456 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 01:42:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 01:42:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 01:42:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45192 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2008 01:42:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .Zosvu0VM1kKrHD9gb_cmTafp1wqLuNSM2s3q48y21oDBvypgJARzxMvON78ALPjorNEsBUiuhtCGCU6dYmpncPQcNGbDwgV8ZZ9KATGxYzoHL8F.84kgkDmzm5a3RxdKcbU7rgfPD94MBxs1_QAOtvC X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:42:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:42:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <781161.4712.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <238587.18903.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=uCNvFL9FIpyaVCvxX0dCB-MqY1LFltEfJLS85sjRiu5VOA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 (A) TWO audio channels, and (B) that chin was a definite 5.1 surrounder! Lost a lot of weight? Yeah, gray matter does have SOME mass, I guess! Don't get bent outta shape, I say similar things about Al "I'm so funny" Fr= anken, too! G --- On Fri, 8/22/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 4:58 AM > What the hell does THAT have to do with A.M. stereo?!=A0 > Besides, the guy lost a lot of weight! >=20 >=20 >=20 > guess they figured Rush's five chins couldn't be > adequately covered by just two audio channels! :>) G >=20 > G=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Joseph Rouse > wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > From: Joseph Rouse >=20 > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 10:12 PM >=20 > > Hi All, Does anyone have any knowledge as to how KYW > 1060 AM >=20 > > in >=20 > > Philadelphia got it's "K" call sign? I >=20 > > believe they began in Philly in >=20 > > the 1950s or 60s, after the east / west W / K > guidelines >=20 > > were already >=20 > > established. This station at one time had a nice > sounding >=20 > > 50kw CQuam >=20 > > signal. As a news station it was not too apparent > until >=20 > > you heard the >=20 > > stereo music built into the commercials. I think the >=20 > > production crew >=20 > > worked pretty hard at getting the right music into as > many >=20 > > spots as >=20 > > possible because a lot of them had it. They have since > gone >=20 > > the way of >=20 > > IBOC. On another note, I remember, as a kid, they > began >=20 > > broadcasting >=20 > > "All news, all the time" in 1965. I thought > this >=20 > > was a terrible idea & >=20 > > wrote them a letter (remember those) to tell them so. > Long >=20 > > story short, >=20 > > they are still doing it, & have been consistently > one >=20 > > of the highest >=20 > > rated area radio stations for at least 20 years. Our > local >=20 > > radio >=20 > > columnists often refer to KYW as the "Rock of >=20 > > Gibralter". So much for my >=20 > > programming prowess. (heavy sigh) Good night & God >=20 > > bless.Joe >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > ----- Original Message ----- >=20 > > From: mjgrant@aol. com >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB >=20 > > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:49:35 EDT >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > It's because the station got its call sign > before the >=20 > > "W" and "K" >=20 > > convention >=20 > > like KDKA in Pittsburgh and WOAI in San Antonio. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > WDAF has dial advantage. WHB was 10,000 watts. > WHB's >=20 > > directional >=20 > > array >=20 > > formed more or less a N-S and E-W cloverleaf. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Kansas City shared something with New York City. > Like the >=20 > > old >=20 > > WNBC/WABC/WCBS >=20 > > 660/770/880 khz, Kansas City had WDAF, WHB, KCMO at >=20 > > 610/710/810. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Mike >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > ************ ** >=20 > > It's only a deal if it's where you want to > go. >=20 > > Find your >=20 > > travel deal here. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20 >=20 > > (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? > ncid=3Daoltrv00050 000000047) >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >=20 > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! > Groups >=20 > > Links >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > --=20 >=20 > > Be Yourself @ mail.com! >=20 > > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses >=20 > > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 18:46:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1142 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 01:46:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 01:46:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n50d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.48) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 01:46:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.145] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 01:46:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t8.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 01:46:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 01:46:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 01:46:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <343459.35223.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.32.7 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=ExAzPAMUWeNtFzzKTYRc10jboDf9UxlE40J0U0qNnXDlZ5uu X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > All sounds good to me...but are you SURE Kahn actually bought XETRA? > At that time, it was hard enough to get around the Brinkley law, (Form 235a sound familiar?) and outright ownership had to be by a Mexican citizen or company. Even X-ROK 80 was only LEASED to the US company operating it, the actual ownership was Mexican. > As far as I know, Kahn was in as tight as he could be with the owners, but the owners were Mexican...correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a while! G Well, I've seen it listed as being Kahn's, and was, until it became a sports station. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 18:46:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16374 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 01:46:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 01:46:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 01:46:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 60931 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2008 01:46:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JOeH5UAVM1kAUIf396p3WciMUM5qmRX0ooSejxRXjWLrCJTY3UU0cZDfaC7GCFiFxF0vgwkX2_C2QiXH8Bb3IPFPm78TePyWQNBn8VNv61L4.gHsh2gAkpQmWjhIDGwqpuXwAnSJAaAKSYMZ962c.M9u X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:46:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:46:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <270853.60798.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=A_ehhRf73B3o9vx0grZf5Jd1aHOwCfo2JqCBRfO8bVcF-g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Actually, he was once a DJ! "With half my vinyl tied behind the board, just to make it fair!" I am NOT sorry I've never heard THAT aircheck! Yeah, he couldn't get into movies for the same reason...Cinerama is a very expensive process! --- On Fri, 8/22/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 11:20 AM > In a message dated 8/22/08 3:59:03 AM Central Daylight Time, > > a1asurfradio@yahoo.com writes: > > > > What the hell does THAT have to do with A.M. stereo?! > Besides, the guy > > lost a lot of weight! > > > > guess they figured Rush's five chins couldn't > be adequately covered by just > > two audio channels! :>) G > > > > G > > > > I can't figure out what post this is in response to on > this thread. Sounds > like the talk radio conversative vs. liberal thing. > Personally, I can't stand > Rush. However, he is the father of Talk Radio as we know > it today and > deserves that credit. Makes you wonder what would be on AM > radio without him. > > I don't know about the "five chin" comment. > I do know most insiders believe > his failure on TV was due to the low penetration of > widescreen HDTV at the > time to accommodate his girth. As the poster notes, Rush > does deserve credit for > losing weight although I heard most of his weightloss was > achieved with a > simple enema. Some people say he got a gastric bypass, but > I think they have > that confused with the brain bypass he had a number of > years ago. > > Getting back to WHB, way back when, Rush was doing > something in KC radio, but > not talk. Sports, I think. > > Mike > > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find > your > travel deal here. > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 18:57:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64422 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 01:57:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 01:57:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 01:57:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 69406 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2008 01:57:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7UVzccMVM1nXUSaiOMa9mioLsYc84kSV_n9OaP6MIlGlS6Xn4eWNC_w4TbKYDqXSBpjoYyBcRj9mcDc12q_iVSQIabtuG33aWYJ45LMyBvnta1uwoVcVqaRQDLLzlmE5_Bmfz9aAmTEZQ24f2NABwDOM X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:57:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:57:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <631347.80160.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <11655.69318.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=4dQ9_jz_D4aT9n0F6xmxp4YwnEr-1qfID9lzuTXVnoUVBg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Remember the original comm with Smiling Bob? what were the hands pointing = at? (would be a legal 4-letter call) --- On Fri, 8/22/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 5:08 PM > OH NO!=A0 WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?!=A0 Well, if anything I > can try for C-QUAM to get turned back on @ C.C..=A0 "No, > no.=A0 Stereo's great for the bottom line!=A0 Plus it > makes you virile!" > =A0 > Was smiling Bob involved with that ad too?=A0 "This is > Bob.=A0 He's used natural male enhancement.=A0 See that > grin?=A0 We put Botox in his cheeks & mind too!" >=20 > On Fri, 8/22/08, mjgrant@aol.com > wrote: >=20 > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 2:56 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > In a message dated 8/22/08 12:41:07 PM Central Daylight > Time,=20 > a1asurfradio@ yahoo.com writes: >=20 > > 8. COLON CLEANSERS ALL DAY! > >=20 > I sent away for that. The problem was after I used it, I > had amnesia for a=20 > week. >=20 > You forgot "Natural Male Enhancement" . One of > those companies gets those=20 > worked-in "I use it myself" pitches for their > product on one of local evening=20 > drive shows here. Sad. >=20 > Jay, I think you have real V.P. potential at Clear Channel. >=20 > Mike >=20 > ************ ** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find > your=20 > travel deal here. >=20 > (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? > ncid=3Daoltrv00050 000000047) >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 18:59:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68486 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 01:59:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 01:59:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.125.178) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 01:59:12 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n11.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 01:59:11 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.252] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 01:59:11 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp413.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 01:59:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 760168.29953.bm@omp413.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 69499 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 01:59:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.200.246 with plain) by smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 01:59:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: toB7ZroVM1lJzDpk84ooLZHMSYBLqJKP4rAtLBzkuoXIIAd35UDvHqyJSBDpPrAU.150H4hPkWKrFkYcaYSpzGDtRWrLAlx9YymnLxHb34Q3lrcHWBKFw6XzYJGmelajPg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <11655.69318.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <11655.69318.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <41A1DA40-B586-4878-8248-0F9C2747D056@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:59:10 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.125.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=KXF7jhqo-DW22OUkI3vQ9ps8NPN0kiBgvwdPZZhx8fE-i3U7vg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 22, 2008, at 8:57 PM, george russell wrote: > Remember the original comm with Smiling Bob? what were the hands > pointing at? (would be a legal 4-letter call) One of the best calls is kind of backwards.... Its KCUF in Minturn, Colorado. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 19:06:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5837 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 02:06:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 02:06:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 02:06:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 60776 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2008 02:06:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: abrzHhsVM1k27WUIi6eOAvHs6cavocQr3EyUqVbLH4Ih5bUZc_ru3w2mvEYrtw4IPmMXpmhLgXp6jXs2OSLSl.ki3ozjmfFfaLUjeXykRr1ihBV8LkVgyOsqV72suThz3H6PQOTLFkHTRZoffKi08n8c X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:06:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:06:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <376808.60523.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=cBWYEe5DVEPoo7IawXIlOCyYoyukC71Bp7prepQkp9RVyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 OK, I think that list was of stations Kahn could claim were using ISB? Not sure, but I think even today TOTAL ownership of an XE or XH by other than Mexicans is a no-no. Of course, there are always ways around this, Just get a Mexican citizen to sign on the license, and make sure he is paid well for the job! For years XERF was "owned" by the lady that owned a popular restaurant in Cd. Acuna...but of course all the money coming and going went thru Del Rio. Money talks, XXXXXXXX walks? You bet! --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Amy Mousie wrote: > From: Amy Mousie > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 9:46 PM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > wrote: > > > > All sounds good to me...but are you SURE Kahn actually > bought XETRA? > > At that time, it was hard enough to get around the > Brinkley law, > (Form 235a sound familiar?) and outright ownership had to > be by a > Mexican citizen or company. Even X-ROK 80 was only LEASED > to the US > company operating it, the actual ownership was Mexican. > > As far as I know, Kahn was in as tight as he could be > with the > owners, but the owners were Mexican...correct me if I'm > wrong, it's > been a while! G > > Well, I've seen it listed as being Kahn's, and was, > until it became a > sports station. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 19:07:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36972 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 02:07:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 02:07:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 02:07:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 64096 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2008 02:07:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SpsFofYVM1n72fdne6le_wFIYqSXZZi0k9xcm03uZtkFSqsUwJa2528gVNEw4b8Jer4SsZMnbOlcHAOm91_xOUoi9s9lvizr8PbWLbC7K6KWsFV.JzMWtQ8._NppInQttlAQqbN3x3zm_bvNWX8xP7ej X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:07:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:07:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <41A1DA40-B586-4878-8248-0F9C2747D056@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <168818.63523.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=T35uqgJiMHW8zjB7W4QBNazg_fSu9ClRt0fwFx1WTf7h5g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Oh, you're nasty LOL! I was thinking of the raw material carpenters work with, but didn't want to offend the ladies out there. G --- On Fri, 8/22/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 9:59 PM > On Aug 22, 2008, at 8:57 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Remember the original comm with Smiling Bob? what > were the hands > > pointing at? (would be a legal 4-letter call) > > One of the best calls is kind of backwards.... > > Its KCUF in Minturn, Colorado. > > Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 19:19:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37081 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 02:19:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 02:19:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com) (216.252.100.58) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 02:19:50 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 02:19:50 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.247] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 02:19:50 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 02:19:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 219071.45170.bm@omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 7130 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 02:19:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.200.246 with plain) by smtp124.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 02:19:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 98PJXG0VM1lVbYAPP9tg8cJ_Q3.2fWSsphTuE39VKsACSTpR9BQnr8IAnFUw09jLUDbEuR5htXUYproAB4BAjOote74Huh.jZWqZXGKVhj8nGojnJMaj6bkmVoHPqg8hbFRmJ5SCcFvMivCDhYU9vQE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <168818.63523.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <168818.63523.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <98C57FF9-0C24-4A64-980C-474B4A69799B@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:19:48 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 216.252.100.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=tKoKexrFvE-aNjpZpYHZz3_5AwLTctNOkv9JLnMvHrxXjkj_Qw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 22, 2008, at 9:07 PM, george russell wrote: > Oh, you're nasty LOL! I was thinking of the raw material > carpenters work with, but didn't want to offend the ladies out > there. G You never heard of KCUF? I can tell you one thing about WOOD. They are allowed 265,000 W of power because they were allocated that much before 1962. There are a number of superpower FM stations that had more than 100 kW prior to 1962, http://www.w9wi.com/articles/grand_fm.htm Check it out. Cool stuff. WBCT in Grand Rapids, MI had 320,000 watts... WMC FM 99.7 here in Tennessee has 290,000 watts, Big juice. Kevin From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 20:04:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29685 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 03:04:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 03:04:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.185) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 03:04:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 97989 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2008 03:04:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8c4IRwgVM1lDXWpLxnMi6stoUC1VAC9b6RIiE.wiBP20675diY21SYtRcfP_.E6udQ-- X-Received: from [64.222.43.246] by web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:04:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:04:18 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <540324.91551.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.185 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Wikipedia help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=HQnppoCHYD1k8w3Qh5YmsbC_hPuQuaUeMCP8qUfK8GELai0PNyBB X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I want to have a little tag for stations like the HD radio folks do.=A0 Say= , for example, you look up WPRO-FM.=A0 It says it's also in HD radio in par= entheses.=A0 Now, I want to do the same for A.M. stereo but would like to u= se the rainbow A.M. stereo logo.=A0 Does anyone remember who made that & if= it's in the public domain or "copyleft"?=A0 I remember the talk about it &= it has to be between 1998 (when I joined my 1st A.M. stereo e-mail list) &= 2000 (when I bought my Alfredo Lite Chris Cuff xmtr.). It's this logo: http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/amscampaign2000.jpg Sorry if I'm incoherent but it's late & I'm tired.=A0 I think I'll also mak= e up a template of stations broadcasting in C-QuAM.=A0 Not right now though= .=A0 I'm too sleepy. 73 & stuff, Jay =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 00:33:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7133 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 07:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 07:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 07:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 07:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 07:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 07:33:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 07:33:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6A86D1B0-55DB-48CD-95DC-C28EBC629C17@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.72 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=xw9GoDImxMhxMi9lhUIUstXr9f8GUinN_jEHeO7lNyvdo_YFAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > >=20 > On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:40 PM, JNR wrote: >=20 > > Let's have some radio-geek fun! Describe what you think is the=20 apex=20=20 > > of a truly bad station. It doesn't have to be real; in fact mine=20=20 > > will be theoretical. What do you consider the hallmark of an=20 awful=20=20 > > station? Here's mine: >=20 > Replace WINAMP with Phantom and you have WFIS! LOL >=20 > Kevin > What do you have against WinAmp or any other audio software? Even the worst Windows Media Player can be used as a cheap automatic=20 machine. The problem isn't the software you use, the problem is HOW you use the=20 software!!! Please, DON'T USE MP3 or any other data compression system!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 00:42:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27946 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 07:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 07:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.146) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 07:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 07:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 07:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 07:42:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 07:42:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.72 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=5gSs2tOsCvkxvbjbjUKtCmC945ismJWdltBX0bmU54fMXDHfOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > wrote: > > > > This is a good way to start a friendly arguement; which of the > various AM stereo systems sounded/sounds best? >=20 > On paper, the RCA AM-FM system. It had NO out-of-phase noise and=20 was > tested under DX conditions. Oh, how I would've loved to have heard=20 a > demo broadcast! :) (The RCA/Belar system would not have, given it > limited (L-R) to 300Hz-6kHz, unlike the original RCA system that=20 did > go up to 10kHz.) >=20 > Of the systems from the '70s/'80s tests onwards, I'd say Magnavox's > PMX (AM-PM) system would've actually been the best overall, had=20 they > taken some of Motorola's cues in using limiters. (Some stations=20 DID, > but it wasn't part of the system.) >=20 > Kahn's ISB was easier to DX, but it otherwise was the worst of the > four systems in the '80s. I've never gotten the chance to DX a > Magnavox in those days, but PLENTY of Harrises, Motorolas and=20 Hahns to > choose from. Of them, C-QUAM was actually the best- It really was=20 the > best. Harris was a close second- It was a Harris (at the time)=20 station > that got me into AMS in the first place, even sounding more lively=20 and > lifelike on mono radios at the time. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > I don't agree with you about the ISB was/is the worst system. I=20 agree about the original Kahn way is... "less than perfect". Today,=20 with all the digital tricks we known, we could get a very best,=20 clean, strong and reliable AMS signal with ISB and I bet it would be=20 better than C-QUAM. Unfortunately, nobody would be interesting to listen AMS today with=20 a very "rich" conversation about the whales rights. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From r_lebreton36@hotmail.com Sat Aug 23 08:50:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: r_lebreton36@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16577 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 15:50:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 15:50:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.109) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 15:50:26 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 15:50:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 15:50:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 15:50:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:50:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.228.47.185 From: "r_lebreton36" Subject: Re: AM Stereo decoder board... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243931885; y=APdb0puYYvOmCMhwR3X_6vja6gS0f1jnONmeJcDGlLwPjDsG9yx7 X-Yahoo-Profile: r_lebreton36 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "r_lebreton36" > wrote: > > > > Hello, Folks! > >=20 > > I was wondering if anyone knows where to get an AMS board for a=20 > > portable receiver. I spoke with Chris Cuff and he informed me he's=20 > > out of the biz. I looked at the option of getting the Sony SRF-AX15=20 > > but that is meant for the Japanese market. > >=20 > > Any ideas? >=20 > Go for the 'AX15. It's an analogue-tuned AMS receiver. Out of the box, > it might tune up to 1630-1650kHz or so, but with some advice from > someone who knows how to tweak the 'AX15's board, you might be able to > have the tuning tweaked up to cover the entire AM broadcast band. (I > did that to my 'A100.) Yes, Japan uses 9kHz channel steps, but for an > analogue tuner, that doesn't really matter. It's the *FM* band on the > 'AX15 that's only really usable in Japan, being it's 76-92MHz, > so....it's really good for AMS only. >=20 > Anyone else? >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Anyone here know how to modify the AX15 for the North American market? I really would like to get the AM and FM bands shifted. TIA... From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Aug 23 10:58:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64476 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 17:58:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 17:58:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 17:58:42 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.be5.3b165426 (14457) for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:58:34 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Yz0-pZUtZuQhzgpbmXs72Dw5oV4JWapur3sywdkbgh7sdF8R85qL15bdihBIndkF X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The best illustration of just how low radio can go, is the "ad lib" natural male enhancement spots a local drive time guy does. It think the FDA or Missouri Attorney General shut down the eat-anything-you-want fatburner pills he previously pitched. The natural male enhancement ones are really sad. The morning guy on another station "outed" his wife who is a high school teacher. It is pretty much common knowledge anyway, but there may have been a few subhuman underground dwellers living in the caves beneath the city where FM doesn't reach who didn't know. Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Aug 23 11:02:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54064 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 18:02:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 18:02:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 18:02:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.ca1.3ca38c1b (14457) for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:02:38 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=tMP2_T2dyP-PNq0zcY-ZRmo0QCS4DOD9HA_XckdKjNyzmuAwC_GdGhnk-zBPVEMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/08 5:57:47 PM Central Daylight Time, walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com writes: > Lets see... A Daytimer that stays on past sunset, a fulltimer that doesnt > completely power down.. a station thats been operating on a 250Watt CP since > 1989 at 1KW! > > A Station that doesn't ID properly. > And the FCC is prosecuting 100mW stations for have too long ground leads.... Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Aug 23 11:11:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89561 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 18:11:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 18:11:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 18:11:52 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.bc5.2fd89402 (14457) for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:11:47 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Ljg6c15fRuImTf7E7idqzygwxoKvdOtT7iGx_JaAnTAPzh1iGgciQEW7Gg5JAO3c X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/08 9:07:55 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > I was thinking of the raw material carpenters work with, but didn't want to > offend the ladies out there. What's offensive about drywall? However, there is a sleazy looking guy in raincoat who hangs out in the Building Materials department at the local Home Despot. Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Aug 23 11:21:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22370 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 18:21:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 18:21:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 18:21:17 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c26.40e8b56d (14457) for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:21:10 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=v8YSdKhxvt7ErzIlkjCadeKT9BGyn8hDOj-nlqpiMl_Gt1K0wZr3RAjGpqTdMKSw X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One thing to keep in mind is the theoretical capability of any system versus its practical implementation. Some ideas just came before the technology was available to adequately implement them. The RCA Ampliphase, which came out of idea patented in the 1930s, was a good example. With modern DSP, the technological limitations that plagued many of these systems are a thing of the past. The Rube Goldberg techniques for generating C-Quam are no longer needed. I think what made C-Quam a success was that it could be adequately implemented with the technology available in its time. Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Sat Aug 23 12:51:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67404 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 19:51:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 19:51:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 19:51:55 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 12046180013C for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:51:55 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.55) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 23 Aug 2008 19:51:36 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 01EE8104F0; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:51:54 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:51:54 -0500 X-Received: from [71.185.149.189] by ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:51:54 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20080823195154.01EE8104F0@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=uZ9sASBKXLDJ73MaV3HiOk5rMlUGuVCWJVK0afyHitUWscA9hep9 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Ain't that the truth! ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: Truly bad radio stations Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:02:38 EDT In a message dated 8/22/08 5:57:47 PM Central Daylight Time, walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com writes: > Lets see... A Daytimer that stays on past sunset, a fulltimer that doesnt > completely power down.. a station thats been operating on a 250Watt CP si= nce > 1989 at 1KW! > > A Station that doesn't ID properly. > And the FCC is prosecuting 100mW stations for have too long ground leads...= . Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=3Daoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links --=20 Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From jmrouse@mail.com Sat Aug 23 13:21:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14851 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 20:21:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 20:21:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 20:21:45 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 55D701800129 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:21:45 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.62) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 23 Aug 2008 20:21:27 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 37C2211581F; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:21:45 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:21:45 -0500 X-Received: from [71.185.149.189] by ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:21:45 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20080823202145.37C2211581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=S7TMnIPoHky7ZlgytQRKYOLkA913ImvePYOM2mxMo1mmXqUuLO-p X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Man, that station takes the cake for badness! Call letters should be KRAP. I thought local WYSP 94.1 was bad with their call-in show where you get sex= ual advice from different prostitutes,(sponsored by a local porn shop). It= was bad, but you have me beat. WYSP has since changed to a rock music format (where they get squashed by c= ompeting WMMR 93.3, every time). The HD channel runs KYW's all news, all t= he time. Just goes to show you that CBS has no clue what to do with this station. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin redding"=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:57:14 -0500 > I still would like to thank the person gave the *anonymous* tip=20 > to the F.C.C.! I have a REAL GOOD idea who it could have been on the Phoenix end. Couldn't say about if anyone from Providence did anything simultaneously. > Yes, WALE/KCCF were just about the worst of the worst. I have never seen another radio station like them since they got the heave ho and sold. There were shows for whores on after 10 at night. Its the first time I heard that one ever when I heard it on KFNX. Shows for porn stores and all kinds of useless patent medicine. Gold hucksters, con artists and every kind of useless crap on earth. 24/7 informercials for colon blow and you name it for a dollar a holler. > I may have a tape around somewhere recorded late @ night but=20 > nothing can possibly begin to get the idea across of how bad they=20 > were. Neo-Nazi shows anyone? I remember the Neo-Nazi shows on at 2 or 3 in the afternoon on Saturday. I was tuning around to hear Arizona Wildcats football and ran across it and had to stop to hear it because I couldn't believe it was on. The KKK was on there. Every sort of corruption on earth was there. They loved to go at night in Phoenix on certain shows and run the full 50 kW when they were authorized only 1 kW just because the whore [escorts] and the porn store show were paying. They would turn it up for the ska punk show too but I didn't mind because I don't hate ska punk music. I understand they NEVER paid their people or any of their bills either. Those station was a true steaming platter of hot feces. I don't miss it and hope radio in general never goes there again. Kevin ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links --=20 Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From jmrouse@mail.com Sat Aug 23 13:36:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50922 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 20:36:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 20:36:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 20:36:19 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 28B671800132 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:36:19 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.62) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 23 Aug 2008 20:36:00 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 92B4011581F; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:36:18 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:36:18 -0500 X-Received: from [71.185.149.189] by ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:36:18 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20080823203618.92B4011581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: HD subchannels X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=AH6q0gkGuitBtSDvvHIAV79uZxa41tWZtMX8IHt0yqaFMyGRqiO0 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Hi All, Just a quick question. What I would like to know is this. Why are the sub= channels on HD radio considered such earth shaking news? Weren't they doing the same thing in analogue with SCA adaptors? Please cl= arify. Thank you. Have a great day. Joe --=20 Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From jmrouse@mail.com Sat Aug 23 13:40:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58465 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 20:40:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 20:40:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 20:40:39 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id C04051800125 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:40:39 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.62) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 23 Aug 2008 20:40:21 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A810011581F; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:40:39 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:40:39 -0500 X-Received: from [71.185.149.189] by ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:40:39 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20080823204039.A810011581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=ImsxGt613KyDFZJKx3gATEnke3TTmdUtjBs8VJQaQ7bK_M2_gl54 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Not to mention that IBOCs are creating more interference that Part 15s ever= have. ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: Truly bad radio stations Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:02:38 EDT In a message dated 8/22/08 5:57:47 PM Central Daylight Time, walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com writes: > Lets see... A Daytimer that stays on past sunset, a fulltimer that doesnt > completely power down.. a station thats been operating on a 250Watt CP si= nce > 1989 at 1KW! > > A Station that doesn't ID properly. > And the FCC is prosecuting 100mW stations for have too long ground leads...= . Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=3Daoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links --=20 Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 13:41:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10087 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 20:41:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 20:41:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.48) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 20:41:25 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 20:41:20 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.72] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 20:41:20 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 20:41:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 380421.81287.bm@omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 21806 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 20:41:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.6 with plain) by smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 20:41:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JnyVqasVM1nPFe1Cf1PeU4AI222skJKURb5gcO2BAjRLkxIb5MGFY57fku6r_43_2GnS4PFzmwmfIgwuAJqOvdZ1TgyYhnmJWpu6boz1Ov1bOOsvbSCKdP4aq4ZKCamoFQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20080823203618.92B4011581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080823203618.92B4011581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0BF88A60-7399-405B-83EF-7F73E14ED7B6@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:41:18 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=uNLCKImHEwtnV9WK-mencMugNvPyaketX1PFj-5Geaw6p806zg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 23, 2008, at 3:36 PM, Joseph Rouse wrote: > Weren't they doing the same thing in analogue with SCA adaptors? > Please clarify. Thank you. Yes. Muzak used this system for a very long time. Kevin From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 16:25:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70470 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 23:25:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 23:25:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.128) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 23:25:22 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n1.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 23:25:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 23:25:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2008 23:25:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 23:25:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <376808.60523.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.6.134 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WHB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=IR3VPdDMKSOKOxdA1N_aO-2fzbNvS6xwx3IaWYd3qeFrnJO8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > OK, I think that list was of stations Kahn could claim were using ISB? Something more mundane, I think- A list of southern California broadcasters and/or the WRTH circa late '80s. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 16:31:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16737 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 23:31:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 23:31:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 23:31:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 52442 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2008 23:31:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zHiugc8VM1kcii4_0oZ2VURsviQG5SM6zTejOw.k0Dx2u8Re9nNjRoSZ2LfmBEehJMiJ03hGYvi07kncO_OfZgqdgZPH20ndH7G63PfH.9Js2OSeAOsRsv..4zCLCBRUaa.7bXbSM3rUfxhBjK_nKYi5 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:31:02 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:31:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <98C57FF9-0C24-4A64-980C-474B4A69799B@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <237691.52014.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=K9k97W55JH62nyWiJj_nmoRmtUSiPeLnNsFQ7f2wByh3ng X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Ah, such power levels would be so nice on certain AM stations! (Ehkees-Eh something or other, hah-hah!) G --- On Fri, 8/22/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 10:19 PM > On Aug 22, 2008, at 9:07 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Oh, you're nasty LOL! I was thinking of the raw > material > > carpenters work with, but didn't want to offend > the ladies out > > there. G > > You never heard of KCUF? > > I can tell you one thing about WOOD. They are allowed > 265,000 W of > power because they were allocated that much before 1962. > There are a > number of superpower FM stations that had more than 100 kW > prior to > 1962, > > http://www.w9wi.com/articles/grand_fm.htm > > Check it out. Cool stuff. > > WBCT in Grand Rapids, MI had 320,000 watts... > > WMC FM 99.7 here in Tennessee has 290,000 watts, > > Big juice. > > Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 16:33:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96638 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 23:33:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 23:33:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 23:33:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82946 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2008 23:33:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HAqi6KcVM1ltgPX7066k0X.bgJCDarJeupZm559ST7klIzR4b2Nu0_oaqFywuLvcrWw.wmZhDk1_mIqELxOYAgeHN5a3lViwCZbD3y0UGsjcfwjdyQi9OvL2K0RQXXlC.m1IaX3uPkkHJUjkwxZpvMu1 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:33:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:33:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <540324.91551.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <465979.82486.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wikipedia help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=HqkjKuqfKmMSAS6f64BmWH-WxVxyjHVmf8gV1y7-NDljBg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Be nice also to see a few of them display the AMAX tag, too. G --- On Fri, 8/22/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: {AMSF} Wikipedia help > To: "AMSF" > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 11:04 PM > I want to have a little tag for stations like the HD radio > folks do.=A0 Say, for example, you look up WPRO-FM.=A0 It says > it's also in HD radio in parentheses.=A0 Now, I want to > do the same for A.M. stereo but would like to use the > rainbow A.M. stereo logo.=A0 Does anyone remember who made > that & if it's in the public domain or > "copyleft"?=A0 I remember the talk about it & > it has to be between 1998 (when I joined my 1st A.M. stereo > e-mail list) & 2000 (when I bought my Alfredo Lite Chris > Cuff xmtr.). > It's this logo: > http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~amstereo/amscampaign2000.jpg >=20 > Sorry if I'm incoherent but it's late & I'm > tired.=A0 I think I'll also make up a template of > stations broadcasting in C-QuAM.=A0 Not right now though.=A0 > I'm too sleepy. >=20 > 73 & stuff, > Jay >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 16:44:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31303 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 23:44:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 23:44:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 23:44:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37825 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2008 23:44:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: z3rPobAVM1mjqldJs__hNZXr.hmaHAsa3Z1EZI2oDNhWxxsQhU7OyaQ9T2ImRzpKxVN43KXJOqDlk2swQ5NwLN7lhP0hqj41odLlEaurR07M76E6biP9v8.MSKwKRL0m8af_YMltEQZxlpFynw4eMuks X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:44:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:44:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <44548.37620.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=JAhk0o1CohhSkuwinVtZ9fq2FEky3dFA2S-itK42-ljzNw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 He "outed" his WIFE? I'm confused (nothing new!), if she was his wife, but she had that trait for which she could be "outed", and he knew about it, what kind of arrangement is that? Marriage of convenience, or did she run the train on BOTH tracks, so to speak? Wow, and I thought I was open-minded, hah-hah! G --- On Sat, 8/23/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 1:58 PM > The best illustration of just how low radio can go, is the > "ad lib" natural > male enhancement spots a local drive time guy does. It > think the FDA or > Missouri Attorney General shut down the > eat-anything-you-want fatburner pills he > previously pitched. The natural male enhancement ones are > really sad. > > The morning guy on another station "outed" his > wife who is a high school > teacher. It is pretty much common knowledge anyway, but > there may have been a few > subhuman underground dwellers living in the caves beneath > the city where FM > doesn't reach who didn't know. > > Mike > > > > > > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find > your travel > deal here. > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 16:47:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68004 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 23:47:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 23:47:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 23:47:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10603 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2008 23:47:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Wif0fx4VM1lNi1DmLQwEXE5B6ehdDcs_zf4a5dbx96TX.VHzkfrEzoy3qKlVOiNFX2NnxgBX3imiJFTxpmFkUp_JF_RUf2XflXsSasnI4Y16rEMtkL8m33JtF_Z9Mn0fxWd6xrrczYOGM7xNeg.dYKtM X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:47:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:47:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <137384.10141.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=fwuxBprliD8S_2wHpQYNafGYOCUo-6gU1Cl8kfFql-bYSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Oh really? I heard Detroit was missing a flasher, now I know where he went! G --- On Sat, 8/23/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 2:11 PM > In a message dated 8/22/08 9:07:55 PM Central Daylight Time, > > wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > > > > I was thinking of the raw material carpenters work > with, but didn't want to > > offend the ladies out there. > > What's offensive about drywall? However, there is a > sleazy looking guy in > raincoat who hangs out in the Building Materials department > at the local Home > Despot. > > Mike > > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find > your > travel deal here. > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 16:52:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85223 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2008 23:52:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2008 23:52:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2008 23:52:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14720 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2008 23:52:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NpWzI3AVM1m38WH.pIdy774BX37Bb3A.mAzzNP_lr17_D_X181sCRDx9.K4tZWjdmlEWBiMaddKhPFRt9sKd1lfPxY4lHj2inGI3KY5MOQVghRMbbiQd6Oq11jGEPjlrZfOwHGHBN_4e0YOr3QzgQ4TQ X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:52:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:52:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0BF88A60-7399-405B-83EF-7F73E14ED7B6@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <141162.14250.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=MK1DdR_BQHk_lxK3vUNmgM8sw1RvlpFm3tjOXPpTN4uPTw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 When my cousin was a PD at WPFB in Middletown, OH, they were using the SCA to feed the Kroger stores all over southern OH. Still remember him recording the carts which were played back automatically: "Kroger shoppers, check out this week's special in the meat department... this week's special is...meat!" G --- On Sat, 8/23/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 4:41 PM > On Aug 23, 2008, at 3:36 PM, Joseph Rouse wrote: > > > Weren't they doing the same thing in analogue with > SCA adaptors? > > Please clarify. Thank you. > > Yes. Muzak used this system for a very long time. > > Kevin From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 17:05:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22351 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 00:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 00:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.132) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 00:05:28 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n5.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 00:05:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 00:05:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 00:05:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:05:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.6.134 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=jsFSZGLVHXuS1AGFIWRDWadbjX6fGs0vy_FGaxEuDUiktqD8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > I don't agree with you about the ISB was/is the worst system. I=20 > agree about the original Kahn way is... "less than perfect". Today,=20 > with all the digital tricks we known, we could get a very best,=20 > clean, strong and reliable AMS signal with ISB and I bet it would be=20 > better than C-QUAM. This is based on personal experience, mind you- ISB mode on the Sony SRF-A100 had less treble than in any of the matrix modes. While ISB itself is good, the only plus it really had was that it could be tuned with two mono radios on either side of the carrier. Kahn's system lacked most of the advantages that C-QUAM had, which led to things like spurious harmonics. On tests that were conducted prior to and during the '80s marketplace decision (according to the Stan Prentiss book "AM Stereo & TV Stereo"), Kahn's system had the worst performance, followed by Harris- And Harris was forced to convert its stations to C-QUAM (most did, some refused to- I have a recording of Seattle's KOMO 1000 that was still using the Harris system...in 1991, well after the FCC mandated all Harris stations be so converted over), due to "sweetening" the figures, which did upset the FCC. A key problem with ISB is that even on a single radio capable of ISB, you'd have to be tuned in EXACTLY to the carrier frequency to get the right balance, and the situation can be worse in the dial radio technique. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 17:12:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91921 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 00:12:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 00:12:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.110) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 00:12:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.145] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 00:12:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t8.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 00:12:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 00:12:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:12:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080823203618.92B4011581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.6.134 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: HD subchannels X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=638Ec0jTM8TNMyx1EPQE6zx7hpJgJJCSamn-5fhMnfAvTbrn X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Rouse" wrote: > > Hi All, >=20 > Just a quick question. What I would like to know is this. Why are the sub channels on HD radio considered such earth shaking news? >=20 > Weren't they doing the same thing in analogue with SCA adaptors?=20 Please clarify. Thank you. The allocated FM channels were adequate for SCA subcarriers- They didn't go out of their way to interfere with an adjacent channel the way "HD Radio" does, moreso on AM than FM. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 17:15:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17802 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 00:15:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 00:15:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.215) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 00:15:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.145] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 00:15:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t8.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 00:15:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 00:15:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:15:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <465979.82486.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.6.134 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wikipedia help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=NmrA8Hfyj7Y7Nv0aWuyYm3ZHgvpSpsRm-I590S7klLx8kEh2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Be nice also to see a few of them display the AMAX tag, too. G AMAX really only applied to receiver standards, rather than broadcast standards. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jmrouse@mail.com Sat Aug 23 17:20:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66736 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 00:20:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 00:20:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 00:20:03 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 618A618001A2 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:20:03 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.62) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 24 Aug 2008 00:19:45 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 526D011581F; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:20:03 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:20:03 -0500 X-Received: from [71.185.149.189] by ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:20:03 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20080824002003.526D011581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=sHEdeXKkX0ttzCIaAp1uR0SNZa_dAl6z4F9aIwjSnIXYqxh_sdt1 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 MEAT?? Really? Man, the things I've missed! (lol) Thanks for sharing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "george russell"=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:52:15 -0700 (PDT) When my cousin was a PD at WPFB in Middletown, OH, they were using=20 the SCA to feed the Kroger stores all over southern OH. Still=20 remember him recording the carts which were played back=20 automatically: "Kroger shoppers, check out this week's special in the meat department... this week's special is...meat!" G --- On Sat, 8/23/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding=20 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 4:41 PM > On Aug 23, 2008, at 3:36 PM, Joseph Rouse wrote: > > > Weren't they doing the same thing in analogue with > SCA adaptors? > Please clarify. Thank you. > > Yes. Muzak used this system for a very long time. > > Kevin ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links --=20 Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From jmrouse@mail.com Sat Aug 23 17:33:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58918 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 00:33:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 00:33:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 00:33:12 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 30043180012E for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:33:12 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.62) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 24 Aug 2008 00:32:54 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 259B511581F; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:33:12 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:33:12 -0500 X-Received: from [71.185.149.189] by ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:33:12 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20080824003312.259B511581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=oZ8_iXLeWy-MFaR21ReWAUxGDGcaOr-ZOVqozRxcR8xcX10yI4hy X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 This is true. I remember this when WFIL was using this with there golden o= ldies format.=20=20 If you were not centered on frequency when they played a Beach Boys record,= like "Don't Worry Baby" (had a lot of separation) you ended up with too mu= ch lead vocal & too little back up harmonies. (or vice versa) With that song you could actually eliminate one or the other by rocking the= dial to & fro. It was kind of fun though, getting stereo music from a Majestic Zephyr & a = GE Musaphonic. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Mousie"=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:05:26 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > I don't agree with you about the ISB was/is the worst system. I=20 > agree about the original Kahn way is... "less than perfect".=20 > Today, with all the digital tricks we known, we could get a very=20 > best, clean, strong and reliable AMS signal with ISB and I bet it=20 > would be better than C-QUAM. This is based on personal experience, mind you- ISB mode on the Sony SRF-A100 had less treble than in any of the matrix modes. While ISB itself is good, the only plus it really had was that it could be tuned with two mono radios on either side of the carrier. Kahn's system lacked most of the advantages that C-QUAM had, which led to things like spurious harmonics. On tests that were conducted prior to and during the '80s marketplace decision (according to the Stan Prentiss book "AM Stereo & TV Stereo"), Kahn's system had the worst performance, followed by Harris- And Harris was forced to convert its stations to C-QUAM (most did, some refused to- I have a recording of Seattle's KOMO 1000 that was still using the Harris system...in 1991, well after the FCC mandated all Harris stations be so converted over), due to "sweetening" the figures, which did upset the FCC. A key problem with ISB is that even on a single radio capable of ISB, you'd have to be tuned in EXACTLY to the carrier frequency to get the right balance, and the situation can be worse in the dial radio technique. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links --=20 Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 17:47:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65175 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 00:47:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 00:47:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 00:47:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 72169 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2008 00:47:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NOTGbaYVM1mK3esODeDvZQhqVVZ37T1B4C614AfKPQwGwZ5iS.rd1_jXnhAMf6h63I1ywRBWlGa9OumDPFj_1VeMOa1Hcobtn.DJuAhQpPCtzVIIvx9MR8zcibhmcuyzSp132o6UB7xhSmgfAGHr6r8- X-Received: from [209.213.19.38] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:47:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:47:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080823203618.92B4011581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <750503.71594.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=eOm9GQ4XN2BRjb-6xVULBt8RWgcCZulQofa3V6LabI0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW All HD radios do are or are supposed to get the secondaries. SCA was not intended for the general public per se. You eventually will be able to have commercials on the secondaries but are supposed to give Ibiquity a cut. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 8/23/08, Joseph Rouse wrote: > Hi All, > > Just a quick question. What I would like to know is this. > Why are the sub channels on HD radio considered such earth > shaking news? > > Weren't they doing the same thing in analogue with SCA > adaptors? Please clarify. Thank you. From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Aug 23 18:30:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3652 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 01:30:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 01:30:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 01:30:52 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.c24.436af218 (42809) for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:30:42 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Qt8GYpg5QIWOqus8SyDSiIcoLpQjhjMFI0JlEY35I73v_MEfK2s_QTsnQdN1umJk X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was very well known at the high school she teaches at that her husband was the afternoon host at the particular station in question. He MC'ed events at the school and made no secret about who his wife was at the school. So no one was telling tales out of school, so to speak. First, let me say the "ad lib" personal endorsement spots had to have been conceived by a total moron, pervert, or both. If WLS offerred me the evening drive with Randi Rhodes on one knee and Rachel Maddow on the other, Al Gore and Al Franken as my sidekicks, a new Porsche, and a $1 million salary I would rather slam my unenhanced male parts in a car door than do that spot. There is an intown rivalry. When he did the personal story work-in, the guys at the other station was all over it like white on rice. Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 19:43:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85097 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 02:43:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 02:43:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n33a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.214) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 02:43:31 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 02:43:31 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 02:43:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 02:43:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:43:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <750503.71594.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.6.134 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=PmnONTesZ_NfTA7muQOWFxQJ-glmZlMyOltdM5LhK1d3JRS- X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > > All HD radios do are or are supposed to get the secondaries. SCA was not intended for the general public per se. You eventually will be able to have commercials on the secondaries but are supposed to give Ibiquity a cut.=20 >=20 The secondaries may have stereo, too- But the dsecondaries are only on FM-HD, not AM-HD. SCA reception was opened up to the general public in the early-mid '80s (or about the time Muzak already had decided to pull out of SCA-delivered storecasts and go entirely to satellite). As an avid SCA listener, there's still quite a bit offered on the 67 and 92kHz subcarriers, but it depends on where you live. There're about 4 SCA stations in the S.F. Bay Area, but at least 16 each in the L.A. and Orlando areas. Here in Humboldt Bay, there is exactly one, but it's only on for 90 minutes on weekday mornings, which happens to be the local radio reading service. I've asked about adding OTR to fill up the rest of the broadcast day, instead of static, but no bites, even offering to supply my own library. Most of SCA programming are ethnic, religious, STL simulcasts, SCA relays of AM (and FM) stations, even muzak (with a small "m"). Some are subscription-based, requiring a descrambler (cheesy frequency-inversion, ala SSB "rubber ducks"), but most are out in the open. There are even data services- mostly pager types. I know of at least one community whose main community radio station is an SCA'cast piggybacking on a Spanish-language station...because they couldn't get another frequency in the area to actually serve their community! - http://www.htradio.net/ There are several makers of SCA radios that sell to the public, but you're not likely to find any at Best Buy or RadioShack. The authorisation needed to broadcast SCA has long since been dropped, and there are no other royalties/fees just for using SCA (other than the usual). I enjoy listening to SCA when I travel, even if the programming is not in a language I know. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 19:53:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5654 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 02:53:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 02:53:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 02:53:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 57928 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2008 02:53:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HsSPqbcVM1n33ODg19v.g0DK8O20hsGfrM2_qxwUJgq.qKPiTbiiXXbCXGuAEc9UMSOPxANXfBLVeU2jdGqGnUbtNuGpIsIfZ2RHcdEB8aN2_lQyTzextrXxD1fSqqd.gHq757e_vViCN75PCHIAaGA- X-Received: from [209.213.19.38] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:53:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:53:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <413421.56797.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=6sTBqXAMSmNjWtU7kmU7Bwuc334wVgcP-it_DkxXppg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW All though it isn't real easy to in an purchase a radio with HD it ; of SCA you had to go have a DECENT radio modified for SCA or get one from a very specialized place. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From amymousie@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 20:56:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42678 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 03:56:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 03:56:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.215) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 03:56:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.144] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 03:56:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t6.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 03:56:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 03:56:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 03:56:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <413421.56797.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.6.134 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=f6ZcptQ7gT2M5awRPQfzOW45zvkEbaw40cgXPeHaNNhXEurc X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > >=20 > All though it isn't real easy to in an purchase a radio with HD it ; of SCA you had to go have a DECENT radio modified for SCA or get one from a very specialized place.=20=20 >=20 I use one from http://www.radiosca.com/ , which has travelled with me for 3 years, now. Or just search on eBay for "sca fm", and you'll find some. :) Any radio will do, as long as it's sensitive enough, with acess to the unfiltered baseband FA (before the subcarriers are filtered out or demodulated, or both). Sensitivity is VERY important, since SCA carriers are ~10% of the total modulation per channel. (No, SCA isn't stereo-- That's an advantage of HD2 services. And SCA doesn't stand for "SubCarrier Audio", but it might as well be, since Subsidiary Communications Authorization is no longer required to run SCA services.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 22:24:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33291 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 05:24:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 05:24:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 05:24:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98265 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2008 05:24:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: L1cn6UYVM1nkfgd2dU88.fi9nDW3Bc47s0crtwBNSVdxQTm4ggQPFki3hcfQ3Dafg82ZTqP6Qu75MlhXZzyAq.phIiwh5Z7TtpWMqWcE5Kpy1cNAKPH5sMwEomH5BbuSpMue5vql3rFxisT6HkRMZZPQ X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:24:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:24:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <62046.97913.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wikipedia help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=7JS5AJlFwfNvxRYO4B467J4xRv1hR29enqojzyV1ZmvPag X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I thought part of the whole AMAX thing was the NRSC curve, that rose to +9 db @ 10 kHz., in addition to minimum receiver requirements? Somewhere around here I have an AMAX receiver, SRF-42 I think, you can well imagine what it sounds like tuned to an IBOC station...YECH! Hisses like a leaky air hose, LOL! G --- On Sat, 8/23/08, Amy Mousie wrote: > From: Amy Mousie > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wikipedia help > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 8:15 PM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > wrote: > > > > Be nice also to see a few of them display the AMAX > tag, too. G > > AMAX really only applied to receiver standards, rather than > broadcast > standards. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 22:25:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24108 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 05:25:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 05:25:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 05:25:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 77363 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2008 05:25:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vD.uD_gVM1liRoMUPlY7SB7ORofTRiidOWVBmvIA5OSUF2cu3xJTyPFzBG1YcRyU_AI_qCJT.JQ4DWLpeYYTuHl1WvUT9uUFxMpcGHo96W8ZbdknOLmG62oH8J_F2fEearFL7GzQKwdYS_1TY5CXwPjA X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:25:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:25:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080824002003.526D011581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <973983.74901.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=jrDUy859-JdS_3ShR_npFRICeh_lZs0JE3HOMPqXPlwwVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Uh, my pleasure...I think? G --- On Sat, 8/23/08, Joseph Rouse wrote: > From: Joseph Rouse > Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 8:20 PM > MEAT?? Really? Man, the things I've missed! (lol) > Thanks for sharing. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "george russell" > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels > Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:52:15 -0700 (PDT) > > > When my cousin was a PD at WPFB in Middletown, OH, they > were using > the SCA to feed the Kroger stores all over southern OH. > Still > remember him recording the carts which were played back > automatically: > "Kroger shoppers, check out this week's special in > the meat department... > this week's special is...meat!" G > > > --- On Sat, 8/23/08, kevin redding wrote: > > > From: kevin redding > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 4:41 PM > > On Aug 23, 2008, at 3:36 PM, Joseph Rouse wrote: > > > > > Weren't they doing the same thing in analogue > with > > SCA adaptors? > Please clarify. Thank you. > > > > Yes. Muzak used this system for a very long time. > > > > Kevin > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > > > -- > Be Yourself @ mail.com! > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From robert.w.welch@att.net Sat Aug 23 22:25:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1400 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 05:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 05:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.157) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 05:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 05:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 05:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 05:25:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 05:25:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80808221557p679e91c2q82391a402785db31@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.58.159 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=OOR8eGDsQtqmOHkLZQ7hB8ypgPtckUpqzYUAcqXil7iiPq-sAPdb X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 I know a station which hasn't had it's EAS in working order since last summer and only got it shipped off for repairs in April... and it's still not been repaired yet... It's needing a 49 cent resistor for it's voltage regulator. Bob I get calls on a monthly basis about it from another station 20 miles down... and I'm thinking about packin'... as I'm sick of those conversations. From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 22:30:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51741 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 05:30:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 05:30:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 05:30:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80910 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2008 05:30:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SgNhs8EVM1nvcPq8siJDCdcUnqyskrdMju93Sazmu7LuZ02CppCiy1QmmJCd0vO9_umU1uhzqLlCpEKIP2GM28lodpbKwLykHGlGmSn49fwnnsqYvJ0dgNBJPFon5oVjnsxCeDPLilg22nrkTtYg3OfT X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:30:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:30:05 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <49808.79726.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=gAQqAvcRPKnPvDUiTTC5PzYFwmSPeSEEvBNeWAEm9j3nJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 AMy, how is the sound quality on SCA? I seem to recall it was limited to 5 kHz., back when I knew anything about it. Also, didn't they use some kind of PWM system? G --- On Sat, 8/23/08, Amy Mousie wrote: > From: Amy Mousie > Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 10:43 PM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way > III" > wrote: > > > > All HD radios do are or are supposed to get the > secondaries. SCA was > not intended for the general public per se. You eventually > will be > able to have commercials on the secondaries but are > supposed to give > Ibiquity a cut. > > > > The secondaries may have stereo, too- But the dsecondaries > are only on > FM-HD, not AM-HD. > > SCA reception was opened up to the general public in the > early-mid > '80s (or about the time Muzak already had decided to > pull out of > SCA-delivered storecasts and go entirely to satellite). As > an avid SCA > listener, there's still quite a bit offered on the 67 > and 92kHz > subcarriers, but it depends on where you live. There're > about 4 SCA > stations in the S.F. Bay Area, but at least 16 each in the > L.A. and > Orlando areas. Here in Humboldt Bay, there is exactly one, > but it's > only on for 90 minutes on weekday mornings, which happens > to be the > local radio reading service. I've asked about adding > OTR to fill up > the rest of the broadcast day, instead of static, but no > bites, even > offering to supply my own library. > > Most of SCA programming are ethnic, religious, STL > simulcasts, SCA > relays of AM (and FM) stations, even muzak (with a small > "m"). Some > are subscription-based, requiring a descrambler (cheesy > frequency-inversion, ala SSB "rubber ducks"), but > most are out in the > open. > > There are even data services- mostly pager types. > > I know of at least one community whose main community radio > station is > an SCA'cast piggybacking on a Spanish-language > station...because they > couldn't get another frequency in the area to actually > serve their > community! - http://www.htradio.net/ > > There are several makers of SCA radios that sell to the > public, but > you're not likely to find any at Best Buy or > RadioShack. > > The authorisation needed to broadcast SCA has long since > been dropped, > and there are no other royalties/fees just for using SCA > (other than > the usual). > > I enjoy listening to SCA when I travel, even if the > programming is not > in a language I know. :) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 22:43:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36995 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 05:43:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 05:43:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 05:43:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 41259 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2008 05:43:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MvgKBKQVM1n46iiFPGsk9dJzrHEfvDhsi2.aq5ZglxpT4TvIjn81D.SZYbYYh_7ZPrI9_sN.Dm8hTYIuX7VM39y6oXmWPdCr5JvKRtnxUXMo473SRc8YwNaXL2f3hlo8_T3qlv4OjNisMyxxsKFPCSjw X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:43:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:43:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <62046.97913.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <578864.40272.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: XEG in stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Cf_kGkAwUddMv840-Eyby6szk0Q2pK3PyJnaPJPmi7w-Dw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Was just listening on-line to XEG, Moterrey NL, a former border-blaster, and the logo on their website still says AM Stereo 1050. The audio on my computer was definitely stereo, but does anybody know if the actual station still is? The top ten list on the left has a song that was a big hit...about two or three years ago, though, maybe the page is old? Sounded like they were running the Mexican version of Coast to Coast AM! Theme from X-Files playing in the background, phone call about something to do with the stars... check it out at: www.nucleoradio.com/ranchera/, click on "escuchanos" on left. Anybody near there with an AMS radio? George From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Aug 23 22:51:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53114 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 05:51:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 05:51:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.56) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 05:51:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 51084 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2008 05:50:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .d5tB5MVM1nj42jRowvv7K3lGtBPZP8MIUT016.F8czAZFp0ux827DJch_ZrF.LCoIkIHKyCfukf43APzEkr1drmOWQRDuTM4f6ShWBjHMG8jDHv453WPE1QJ54s.rsKLW3RConuManhfDgjpJ63 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 05:50:55 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 05:50:55 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <18442.48013.qm@web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM and Armed Forces Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=2qSH3ezFY9rFUODtKFIMK0MEQIXFpUwd8ouFI5j7d7VmUO3draMi X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah many of the ones in Vietnam were on MW (AM) too.=A0 You can get the ol= d airchecks from many of them on the net.=A0 Some were even FM. =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Amy Mousie wrote: From: Amy Mousie Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM and Armed Forces Radio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 7:01 PM --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, Possum Hunter wrote: > >=20 > On Aug 22, 2008, at 10:48 AM, mjgrant@... wrote: >=20 > > Does anyone know if Armed Forces Radio ever did anything with C-QUAM? >=20 > Armed Forces Radio is in Single Sideband Mode making C-QUAM impossible. There is a suppressed-carrier DSB version of C-QUAM Motorola patented, but as far as I know, never used. Insofar as AFRTS (now AFN), you're forgetting that some stations were MW AM as well-- "The Eagle", 810 in Tokyo comes to mind. Most local AFB stations have gone to FM (except for the aforementioned one in Tokyo, which is also the highest-powered AFN station in the world, at 50kW). All of the SW transmitters are SSB (I can get Honolulu @ 10320kHz in the day- I believe it's 5675kHz at night, not sure). As far as I know, absolutely none of them have ever used any kind of AM stereo system. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 22:54:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78328 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 05:54:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 05:54:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 05:54:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32884 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2008 05:54:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8cTG5EkVM1nryGgL.YeXx_4sUAxENdoJGCWyZ0qd_9zf8dCy1S7RTIEpQ4NunkQouJeE69mqANGle.cyaKznz_EDUje5y5ooGn2RpucPG5qDGmm4lNwRAb24IGGEFI.CAGcrEr7AmhUjPz4GJdT3pmmU X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:54:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:54:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <578864.40272.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <671240.32658.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} XEG in stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=U8NtcsKpTcNEBefL-fd9XEdQGXe0m_c5fgo58CjEKqOtvg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Also just noticed near the bottom of the page...100,000 watts! G --- On Sun, 8/24/08, george russell wrote: > From: george russell > Subject: {AMSF} XEG in stereo? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 1:43 AM > Was just listening on-line to XEG, Moterrey NL, a former > border-blaster, and the logo on their website still says AM > Stereo 1050. > The audio on my computer was definitely stereo, but does > anybody know if the actual station still is? The top ten > list on the left has a song that was a big hit...about two > or three years ago, though, maybe the page is old? > Sounded like they were running the Mexican version of Coast > to Coast AM! > Theme from X-Files playing in the background, phone call > about something to do with the stars... > check it out at: > > www.nucleoradio.com/ranchera/, click on > "escuchanos" on left. > > Anybody near there with an AMS radio? > George From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Aug 24 06:45:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91025 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 13:45:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 13:45:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.156) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 13:45:11 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so605774yxh.16 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 06:45:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.12.3 with SMTP id 3mr5287664ybl.14.1219585510843; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 06:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.116? ( [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m73sm13466212rnd.0.2008.08.24.06.45.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 24 Aug 2008 06:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:10:37 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.156 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=Lk_B7uAMREjxKK_XU2ViXESo1fdlcozZX5tcuSWt-a_msvxYbDPZARzF8LzV6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 23, 2008, at 2:02 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > And the FCC is prosecuting 100mW stations for have too long ground > leads.... They need to make ME a FCC agent. I will make the FCC my Yearly Salary back every Week or I will walk... It will be in my Contract. I will make my money ONLY from rules violators that cause QRM such as Power and directional cheaters, overmodulators, Daytime Cheaters, EAS Violators, and remote violators. I will not piss off normal law abiding citizens playing with part 15s with an inch too long ground. Possum From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 09:57:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13790 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 16:57:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 16:57:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.217) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 16:57:42 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 16:57:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 16:57:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 16:57:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:57:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <18442.48013.qm@web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.217 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.202.180.147 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM and Armed Forces Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=YV_ykY49AzcNYZFZKXWK3HRpsuGRRm3vJIIqx8MTcUk X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 Regarding the AFRS based at Greece until mid 90's, I do know that the=20 one based at Athens Ellinikon airport wasn't for sure an AMS=20 installation. have seen the transmitter used at it (I was thinking=20 to buy it as a collectors item) and that was an old continental all=20 tubes transmitter with an output of about 1KW. There was also some=20 other similar installations at Greece at the time, best known of them=20 was the VOA 500KW MW installation at Avdira Kavala (N. Greece) aiming=20 to N/N.E. as that these times required... ;)=20 The same installation was working also at SW band with 3 or 5 100KW=20 Harris transmitters that I had also the pleasure to visit once, back=20 at late 80's.=20 None of these (MW) were ever CQUAM. There is however a quite strange=20 thing, that I still haven't found the time to clarify.=20 At late 90's (or 2000) during the shut down phase of the VOA's=20 network based at the Greek island of Rhodes, located at S.E. Aegean=20 sea, some MW Harris transmitters were donated from VOA (or AFRS?) to=20 the Greek National Radio & Television network.=20 Thsoe have been installed at peripheral MW Greek radio stations,=20 replacing some of the oldest AM transmitters (most of them builded at=20 50's, and some were even handmade by some Greek engineers).=20 A friend has send me one installation of those Harris units, and it=20 seems to me that the model is an complete AMS 100KW unit. It does=20 have even an Orban 9100A with the AMS cards on it!=20 If I 'll get some time to visit the site I will found out if these=20 were AMS units... And there are 12 of them at Greece, working right=20 now!=20 =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke =20 wrote: > > Yeah many of the ones in Vietnam were on MW (AM) too.=A0 You can get=20 the old airchecks from many of them on the net.=A0 Some were even FM. > =A0 > -Kevin > =A0 >=20 >=20 > --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Amy Mousie wrote: >=20 > From: Amy Mousie > Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM and Armed Forces Radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 7:01 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, Possum Hunter > wrote: > > > >=20 > > On Aug 22, 2008, at 10:48 AM, mjgrant@ wrote: > >=20 > > > Does anyone know if Armed Forces Radio ever did anything with C- QUAM? > >=20 > > Armed Forces Radio is in Single Sideband Mode making C-QUAM=20 impossible. >=20 > There is a suppressed-carrier DSB version of C-QUAM Motorola=20 patented, > but as far as I know, never used. >=20 > Insofar as AFRTS (now AFN), you're forgetting that some stations=20 were > MW AM as well-- "The Eagle", 810 in Tokyo comes to mind. Most local > AFB stations have gone to FM (except for the aforementioned one in > Tokyo, which is also the highest-powered AFN station in the world,=20 at > 50kW). All of the SW transmitters are SSB (I can get Honolulu @ > 10320kHz in the day- I believe it's 5675kHz at night, not sure). As > far as I know, absolutely none of them have ever used any kind of AM > stereo system. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Aug 24 12:49:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41318 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 19:49:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 19:49:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s23.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.162) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 19:49:05 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W11 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s23.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:49:04 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:49:05 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: References: <18442.48013.qm@web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2008 19:49:04.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[76B507C0:01C90622] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} C-QUAM and Armed Forces Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=RDXRKBUJ3Vm7Tjrmj-UfHDFHJtFXkWKNGbPrqaNPS-xT5Uav8Tm-lxv478g X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Sotitis; The AFRS station you referred to in Athens, was that the medium wave station at or around 1600 kilocycles? I listened to them on both visits to Athens. For me, (and, of course for the people stationed in Athens), it was a nice to feel a touch of home so far away; about the only time I had to listen to radio in Athens was right around sunset to an hour or two past sunset and I recall hearing all the "jammers" from Eastern Europe; I had figured that the Soviet Bloc would have the short wave band pretty well jammed, but hadn't given much thought to them jamming the medium wave band. If I recall, I could even hear the jamming noise in the background of the AFRS station in Athens. Donn To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: pdmtr@yahoo.comDate: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:57:37 +0000Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM and Armed Forces Radio Hi Regarding the AFRS based at Greece until mid 90's, I do know that the one based at Athens Ellinikon airport wasn't for sure an AMS installation. have seen the transmitter used at it (I was thinking to buy it as a collectors item) and that was an old continental all tubes transmitter with an output of about 1KW. There was also some other similar installations at Greece at the time, best known of them was the VOA 500KW MW installation at Avdira Kavala (N. Greece) aiming to N/N.E. as that these times required... ;) The same installation was working also at SW band with 3 or 5 100KW Harris transmitters that I had also the pleasure to visit once, back at late 80's. None of these (MW) were ever CQUAM. There is however a quite strange thing, that I still haven't found the time to clarify. At late 90's (or 2000) during the shut down phase of the VOA's network based at the Greek island of Rhodes, located at S.E. Aegean sea, some MW Harris transmitters were donated from VOA (or AFRS?) to the Greek National Radio & Television network. Thsoe have been installed at peripheral MW Greek radio stations, replacing some of the oldest AM transmitters (most of them builded at 50's, and some were even handmade by some Greek engineers). A friend has send me one installation of those Harris units, and it seems to me that the model is an complete AMS 100KW unit. It does have even an Orban 9100A with the AMS cards on it! If I 'll get some time to visit the site I will found out if these were AMS units... And there are 12 of them at Greece, working right now! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke wrote:>> Yeah many of the ones in Vietnam were on MW (AM) too. You can get the old airchecks from many of them on the net. Some were even FM.> > -Kevin> > > > --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Amy Mousie wrote:> > From: Amy Mousie > Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM and Armed Forces Radio> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 7:01 PM> > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, Possum Hunter> wrote:> >> > > > On Aug 22, 2008, at 10:48 AM, mjgrant@ wrote:> > > > > Does anyone know if Armed Forces Radio ever did anything with C-QUAM?> > > > Armed Forces Radio is in Single Sideband Mode making C-QUAM impossible.> > There is a suppressed-carrier DSB version of C-QUAM Motorola patented,> but as far as I know, never used.> > Insofar as AFRTS (now AFN), you're forgetting that some stations were> MW AM as well-- "The Eagle", 810 in Tokyo comes to mind. Most local> AFB stations have gone to FM (except for the aforementioned one in> Tokyo, which is also the highest-powered AFN station in the world, at> 50kW). All of the SW transmitters are SSB (I can get Honolulu @> 10320kHz in the day- I believe it's 5675kHz at night, not sure). As> far as I know, absolutely none of them have ever used any kind of AM> stereo system.> > Amy. <:3 )~~8~> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 14:13:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65752 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 21:13:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 21:13:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.253) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 21:13:29 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 21:13:29 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 21:13:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 21:13:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:13:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <62046.97913.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.253 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.34.101 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wikipedia help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=a1H_5gbkEoLKGlX656yEb-xcyC6kIbRAwTZZSIkWFW-THEA9 X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > I thought part of the whole AMAX thing was the NRSC curve, that rose=20 > to +9 db @ 10 kHz., in addition to minimum receiver requirements? The NRSC curve was a separate thing, and considered a standard by the FCC to minimise interference. > Somewhere around here I have an AMAX receiver, SRF-42 I think, you can well imagine what it sounds like tuned to an IBOC station...YECH! > Hisses like a leaky air hose, LOL! The Sony SRF-42 was one of the few AMAX Stereo (TM) compliant radios ever marketed. (The organisation that oversaw AMAX has been disbanded for years.) Only two receivers today are AMAX Stereo (TM) compliant- the Fanfare FT-100 and the Meduci tuners. The '42, being in forced-stereo mode, can hear the slow-data digital carrier in quadrature with the main AM sugnal. Of course it's noisy! :P (Just FYI, one of the differences between DRM and IBOC in full digital mode is that IBOC still requires a full carrier, whereas DRM doesn't._ Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 14:17:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84762 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 21:17:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 21:17:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 21:17:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 21:17:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 21:17:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:17:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49808.79726.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.34.101 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=y_BI9kU1-BjsoKj3IN2uAxPSSbrvIs0Z6dbeHXBGPr0eB8Ud X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > AMy, how is the sound quality on SCA? I seem to recall it was limited to=20 > 5 kHz., back when I knew anything about it. Also, didn't they use some kind of PWM system? Abouts 5-7kHz, yes- It's NBFM. Data services might use some pulse-width modulation, but I haven't heard one of these- It's all been audio-modulated FSK. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 14:19:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10103 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 21:19:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 21:19:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.213) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 21:19:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.145] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 21:19:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t8.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 21:19:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2008 21:19:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:19:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <18442.48013.qm@web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.34.101 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM and Armed Forces Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=3kDPjX-F7BHiliH4Mo1Eo8YIlo_-w67ogOSHKGHVmZBI4fGJ X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke wrote: > > Yeah many of the ones in Vietnam were on MW (AM) too.=A0 You can get the old airchecks from many of them on the net.=A0 Some were even FM. > =A0 "GOOD MORNING, VIETNAM", anybody? ;) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Aug 24 15:59:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41347 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 22:59:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 22:59:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 22:59:28 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so610457yxi.56 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:59:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.137.8 with SMTP id k8mr5997744ybd.79.1219618768025; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:59:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.191.13 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80808241559p2f569fc6odf506e75290aabb7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:59:27 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: AM Stereo in Nebraska X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=iSiidvo31UygOZ-DwUreT8n1y8NORaOcq-tZ-dSQsabnj2Cyk26AJXo8 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, we have an AM Stereo station in Nebraska! It's not listed on the Kevtronics compuserve or Meduci site which shows AM Stereo Stations KCSR-AM 610 Chardon, Nebraska with 1KW Day, 118 Watts Night non directional. It's ful lservice, heavy on news/weather/farm/ag/sports info in AM drive with Classic Country music. They are in the Norhwest part of the station, about 3 1/2 hours by air from me. KCSR actually puts a somewhat listenable signal into Rapid City, South Dakota about 100 miles to the North! Their website is www.chadrad.com "Stereo AM 610 KCSR" By the way, it's not pronounced Chad-RON( as in the guys name) it's Shad-run. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 16:48:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12400 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 23:48:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2008 23:48:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.185) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 23:48:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 72060 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2008 23:48:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8bSigzwVM1lXJNS4GxiOsUthuWZRAftAu4W9zO1rwHV5MPfrfwcr6SWHioXvWjzFzRfDpZKx1wZnoTSXQ38.xvWI82vRqAI3JSx.RTmz4Y244GzXaf8g_U1RXK7S8gCUpqvGeRWKG7TjtaadwAjq3TA- X-Received: from [70.20.14.132] by web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:48:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:48:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080823202145.37C2211581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <894044.71680.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations: A WALE of a tale! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=QqgxATQAhMPPGePzPnYmwl1ZnccOR_gMAk72B7vS9ZmYeUJxViSY X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WALE was notorious in Northeast U.S. radio.=A0 It was a very guilty pleasur= e to tune in & hear what horrible program was on: worse than the last for s= ure!=A0 Yes, WALE also ran the neo-nazi hour.=A0 I think it was called "Ame= rican Dissident Voices."=A0 I remember flinging a cassette of it across the= room once as there were a whole big box, about the size of a 19" T.V. woul= d fit into, just full of them!...er, I mean, I heard it from someone who us= ed to work there...yes, that's it!=A0 ALRIGHT, I admit it: I used to work t= here @ WALE!=A0 Look, I had no $ & had just come back from Florida.=A0 The = shows I had to babysit were horrendus.=A0 The worst 5 months of my radio ca= reer which I'll never get back.=A0 There, I said it.=A0 I used to work @ th= e worst radio station on Earth!=A0 More than once did the checks bounce!=A0= Games of pickup basketball using the checks: you'd better believe it! The XMTR. was so bad that in the summertime we had to run it @ low power as= there was no A.C.!=A0 That's how the RCA Ampliphase met its demise in 1985= : the cooling fan died.=A0 Anyway, apparently the land is also contaminated= with P.C.B.s & the R.I. Dept. of Environmental Management told the owners = in 1991 to clean it up.=A0 Additionally, after we had "fixed" the xmtr., I = ran an unannounced DX test between Midnight-1:00 E.D.T. on the morning of 6= /24/2002.=A0 No one called.=A0 I still have a C.D. of it around here.=A0 An= yway, the thing apparently still can't run more than 25kW (it never ran its= licensed 50kW back in '02). The audio passed no more than 3-4kHz (it DID sound like a bad phone line).= =A0 The remote control would fail constantly.=A0 That summer, the A.C. in t= he bldg. died & so one of the talk show hosts donated an air conditioner (a= window one) which was stuck inside the room.=A0 It was propped up on a buc= ket & the butt end of the air cond. was in the hallway where it was 100 deg= rees Fahrenheit or more. When I would walk in on Saturday morning, the station would smell of garlic= & onion coming from the "Asian massage parlor" (there were rumors about th= at place & as an aside, prostitution is quasi-legal in R.I., so long as it'= s solicited indoors) on the bottom/1st floor (we were on the 2nd). As for drinking/smoking/eating in the studio: what of it?=A0 Heineken bottl= es were all over the place, the sales manager who also hosted the punk show= (he's now on Genesis Communications as "Jack Blood") once had me go buy a = bottle of Jack D. just before airtime for him.=A0 It was a radio Animal Hou= se.=A0 We were almost all males in our 20s except for one talk show host (t= he same who brought in the air conditioner) who was notorious for gay-bashi= ng on-air but then off-mic would lust after any male board-op near by.=A0 H= e also didn't shower. When I was hired for my lengthy 5-month stay, I was told that if the F.C.C.= ever showed up when I was board-oping to tell them I'm going to get a mana= ger & then walk out of the station.=A0 Good thing we don't need a 3rd class= license now or that would've gotten yanked.=A0 But, I wouldn't have given = up the opportunity to let the F.C.C. look @ things.=A0 Not in the least.=A0= What's the worst that could happen to me?=A0 I would be fired?!=A0 It happ= ened anyway as the 3RD G.M. in 5 months had a personality conflict with me = (see, when I 1st started there, I worked Sunday night & since he had the 1s= t shift on Monday I pulled his 1st hour to which he reacted to by scrawling= on the employee phone list that I was going to catch a beating-see what an= a-hole I am?!) I've heard horror stories from other people who have had the misfortune of = making WALE their home for a time.=A0 Some I will not repeat here for good = taste will not allow it. Oddly enough, in WALE's files, I found a copy of some A.M. stereo material = which I gave to someone to scan for me which I haven't seen since 2002.=A0 = It was for Kahn.=A0 As far as I know, WALE, nor its predecessors WEAN or WL= KW broadcast in stereo.=A0 It's been a flawed facitlity since day 1: April = 12th 1961 when the owners wanted a "letterhead 50": a 50kW facility that ha= d a nightmare array-6 towers.=A0 It was a station that people will still to= this day joke that "only fish listen to."=A0 Supposedly one of the towers = is now falling apart.=A0 So when people tell me how much greater a 50kW sta= tion is vs. a 250watt daytimer on 1600, I have to laugh.=A0 Bigger is not a= lways better & can be quite a burden.=A0 The electric bill alone was a fort= une & WALE wasn't @ full tilt either. WALE went up in front of a bankruptcy court in 2003 & sold to Cumbre Commun= ications.=A0 Supposedly someone defaulted on a loan, it was off for almost = a year from Dec. 2006-Dec. 2007, & the sound is a little better.=A0 To borr= ow part of a phrase from a 500kc. op. when he heard an S.O.S.: in my nightm= ares, I still hear: "(jet sfx then cheesy authoratative '80s music) This is your 50,000-watt ta= lk station, serving all of Southern New England & Beyond.=A0 990 WALE: Gree= nville/Providence.=A0 Renaissance Radio.=A0 A Division of North American Br= oadcasting." I still say 990kHz is a cursed frequency.=A0 You can't convince me otherwis= e. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Sat, 8/23/08, Joseph Rouse wrote: From: Joseph Rouse Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 4:21 PM =20=20=20=20 Man, that station takes the cake for badness! Call letters sho= uld be KRAP. I thought local WYSP 94.1 was bad with their call-in show where you get sex= ual advice from different prostitutes, (sponsored by a local porn shop). I= t was bad, but you have me beat. WYSP has since changed to a rock music format (where they get squashed by c= ompeting WMMR 93.3, every time). The HD channel runs KYW's all news, all t= he time. Just goes to show you that CBS has no clue what to do with this station. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin redding"=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:57:14 -0500 > I still would like to thank the person gave the *anonymous* tip=20 > to the F.C.C.! I have a REAL GOOD idea who it could have been on the Phoenix end. Couldn't say about if anyone from Providence did anything simultaneously. > Yes, WALE/KCCF were just about the worst of the worst. I have never seen another radio station like them since they got the heave ho and sold. There were shows for whores on after 10 at night. Its the first time I heard that one ever when I heard it on KFNX. Shows for porn stores and all kinds of useless patent medicine. Gold hucksters, con artists and every kind of useless crap on earth. 24/7 informercials for colon blow and you name it for a dollar a holler. > I may have a tape around somewhere recorded late @ night but=20 > nothing can possibly begin to get the idea across of how bad they=20 > were. Neo-Nazi shows anyone? I remember the Neo-Nazi shows on at 2 or 3 in the afternoon on Saturday. I was tuning around to hear Arizona Wildcats football and ran across it and had to stop to hear it because I couldn't believe it was on. The KKK was on there. Every sort of corruption on earth was there. They loved to go at night in Phoenix on certain shows and run the full 50 kW when they were authorized only 1 kW just because the whore [escorts] and the porn store show were paying. They would turn it up for the ska punk show too but I didn't mind because I don't hate ska punk music. I understand they NEVER paid their people or any of their bills either. Those station was a true steaming platter of hot feces. I don't miss it and hope radio in general never goes there again. Kevin ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links --=20 Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 19:40:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87135 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2008 02:39:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2008 02:39:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.223) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2008 02:39:57 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.225] by n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2008 02:39:56 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.66] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2008 02:39:56 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2008 02:39:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 912470.80484.bm@omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 30539 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2008 02:39:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.6 with plain) by smtp125.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2008 02:39:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MATB3mUVM1nfsr85DexxRp1WdORSJioDxVUDJpm4.oa78AlFeuaviclWhr2GDgKXXdC1JpXwio6u3pY55_i8UFJ9mirbkgc3jxMNdy4vLVRZCjDH4N7SffgqeEYUDV8KgA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <894044.71680.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <894044.71680.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0981AFE5-C45F-48F6-8D99-D9A441BBBED2@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:39:54 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations: A WALE of a tale! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=oH2OLQK2EKS_GEyeCTd-TDxGUBhEzoEOSzW-Gasw-sGGjDvyWw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 24, 2008, at 6:48 PM, JNR wrote: > 990 WALE: Greenville/Providence. Renaissance Radio. A Division of > North American Broadcasting." > 1100 KFNX: Cave Creek/Phoenix. Renaissance Radio. A Division of > North American Broadcasting." I forgot about the cheezy jet SFX. I didn't forget about Kevin Strom and the National Alliance. It took me a while to think of the name of that Neo Nazi stuff. Now if anything on earth was pornography and filth that show was. It wasn't about sex, it was just racist scum bloviating. God that station sucked. I was thinking you could "Stab it with your steely knife and still not kill the beast..." NABC was the worst in the history of radio on earth. What a flaming POS. Thank God I got to see them go down in flames. They took one of the greatest AM stereo signals on earth and just shut it down to put on shit. I can back you up on how jacked up they were. I think that KFNX and WALE were tied because we got a lot of the crappy programs from Providence here and the people in Phoenix were thinking, what does this have to do with us here? Kevin From jmrouse@mail.com Sun Aug 24 20:06:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91876 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2008 03:05:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2008 03:05:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2008 03:05:59 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 5ABAA18001A5 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:05:59 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.51) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 25 Aug 2008 03:05:41 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 437B447808F; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:05:59 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:05:59 -0500 X-Received: from [71.185.149.189] by ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:05:59 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20080825030559.437B447808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations: A WALE of a tale! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=RIwXgL3HXlT0eQ6WdgkX4_idLDJhDlivmWCS78_9lbCo8N2-RS3E X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Incredible story! Now I understand why so many have stated that it might b= e just as well to let some stations go dark. Another station on the frequ= ency may squeak out a few more blocks down the road with the reduced conges= tion as well. There is some thing else about this station you may want to check out. If = you go to Radio-Locator.com you will see, even the daytime coverage map loo= ks obscene!! Thanks for sharing. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations: A WALE of a tale! Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:48:54 -0700 (PDT) WALE was notorious in Northeast U.S. radio.=A0 It was a very guilty=20 pleasure to tune in & hear what horrible program was on: worse than=20 the last for sure!=A0 Yes, WALE also ran the neo-nazi hour.=A0 I think=20 it was called "American Dissident Voices."=A0 I remember flinging a=20 cassette of it across the room once as there were a whole big box,=20 about the size of a 19" T.V. would fit into, just full of=20 them!...er, I mean, I heard it from someone who used to work=20 there...yes, that's it!=A0 ALRIGHT, I admit it: I used to work there=20 @ WALE!=A0 Look, I had no $ & had just come back from Florida.=A0 The=20 shows I had to babysit were horrendus.=A0 The worst 5 months of my=20 radio career which I'll never get back.=A0 There, I said it.=A0 I used=20 to work @ the worst radio station on Earth!=A0 More than once did the=20 checks bounce!=A0 Games of pickup basketball using the checks: you'd=20 better believe it! The XMTR. was so bad that in the summertime we had to run it @ low=20 power as there was no A.C.!=A0 That's how the RCA Ampliphase met its=20 demise in 1985: the cooling fan died.=A0 Anyway, apparently the land=20 is also contaminated with P.C.B.s & the R.I. Dept. of Environmental=20 Management told the owners in 1991 to clean it up.=A0 Additionally,=20 after we had "fixed" the xmtr., I ran an unannounced DX test=20 between Midnight-1:00 E.D.T. on the morning of 6/24/2002.=A0 No one=20 called.=A0 I still have a C.D. of it around here.=A0 Anyway, the thing=20 apparently still can't run more than 25kW (it never ran its=20 licensed 50kW back in '02). The audio passed no more than 3-4kHz (it DID sound like a bad phone=20 line).=A0 The remote control would fail constantly.=A0 That summer, the=20 A.C. in the bldg. died & so one of the talk show hosts donated an=20 air conditioner (a window one) which was stuck inside the room.=A0 It=20 was propped up on a bucket & the butt end of the air cond. was in=20 the hallway where it was 100 degrees Fahrenheit or more. When I would walk in on Saturday morning, the station would smell=20 of garlic & onion coming from the "Asian massage parlor" (there=20 were rumors about that place & as an aside, prostitution is=20 quasi-legal in R.I., so long as it's solicited indoors) on the=20 bottom/1st floor (we were on the 2nd). As for drinking/smoking/eating in the studio: what of it?=A0 Heineken=20 bottles were all over the place, the sales manager who also hosted=20 the punk show (he's now on Genesis Communications as "Jack Blood")=20 once had me go buy a bottle of Jack D. just before airtime for=20 him.=A0 It was a radio Animal House.=A0 We were almost all males in our=20 20s except for one talk show host (the same who brought in the air=20 conditioner) who was notorious for gay-bashing on-air but then=20 off-mic would lust after any male board-op near by.=A0 He also didn't=20 shower. When I was hired for my lengthy 5-month stay, I was told that if=20 the F.C.C. ever showed up when I was board-oping to tell them I'm=20 going to get a manager & then walk out of the station.=A0 Good thing=20 we don't need a 3rd class license now or that would've gotten=20 yanked.=A0 But, I wouldn't have given up the opportunity to let the=20 F.C.C. look @ things.=A0 Not in the least.=A0 What's the worst that=20 could happen to me?=A0 I would be fired?!=A0 It happened anyway as the=20 3RD G.M. in 5 months had a personality conflict with me (see, when=20 I 1st started there, I worked Sunday night & since he had the 1st=20 shift on Monday I pulled his 1st hour to which he reacted to by=20 scrawling on the employee phone list that I was going to catch a=20 beating-see what an a-hole I am?!) I've heard horror stories from other people who have had the=20 misfortune of making WALE their home for a time.=A0 Some I will not=20 repeat here for good taste will not allow it. Oddly enough, in WALE's files, I found a copy of some A.M. stereo=20 material which I gave to someone to scan for me which I haven't=20 seen since 2002.=A0 It was for Kahn.=A0 As far as I know, WALE, nor its=20 predecessors WEAN or WLKW broadcast in stereo.=A0 It's been a flawed=20 facitlity since day 1: April 12th 1961 when the owners wanted a=20 "letterhead 50": a 50kW facility that had a nightmare array-6=20 towers.=A0 It was a station that people will still to this day joke=20 that "only fish listen to."=A0 Supposedly one of the towers is now=20 falling apart.=A0 So when people tell me how much greater a 50kW=20 station is vs. a 250watt daytimer on 1600, I have to laugh.=A0 Bigger=20 is not always better & can be quite a burden.=A0 The electric bill=20 alone was a fortune & WALE wasn't @ full tilt either. WALE went up in front of a bankruptcy court in 2003 & sold to=20 Cumbre Communications.=A0 Supposedly someone defaulted on a loan, it=20 was off for almost a year from Dec. 2006-Dec. 2007, & the sound is=20 a little better.=A0 To borrow part of a phrase from a 500kc. op. when=20 he heard an S.O.S.: in my nightmares, I still hear: "(jet sfx then cheesy authoratative '80s music) This is your=20 50,000-watt talk station, serving all of Southern New England &=20 Beyond.=A0 990 WALE: Greenville/Providence.=A0 Renaissance Radio.=A0 A=20 Division of North American Broadcasting." I still say 990kHz is a cursed frequency.=A0 You can't convince me otherwis= e. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Sat, 8/23/08, Joseph Rouse wrote: From: Joseph Rouse=20 Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 4:21 PM Man, that station takes the cake for badness! Call=20 letters should be KRAP. I thought local WYSP 94.1 was bad with their call-in show where you=20 get sexual advice from different prostitutes, (sponsored by a local=20 porn shop). It was bad, but you have me beat. WYSP has since changed to a rock music format (where they get=20 squashed by competing WMMR 93.3, every time). The HD channel runs=20 KYW's all news, all the time. Just goes to show you that CBS has no clue what to do with this station. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin redding" To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:57:14 -0500 > I still would like to thank the person gave the *anonymous* tip > to the F.C.C.! I have a REAL GOOD idea who it could have been on the Phoenix end. Couldn't say about if anyone from Providence did anything simultaneously. > Yes, WALE/KCCF were just about the worst of the worst. I have never seen another radio station like them since they got the heave ho and sold. There were shows for whores on after 10 at night. Its the first time I heard that one ever when I heard it on KFNX. Shows for porn stores and all kinds of useless patent medicine. Gold hucksters, con artists and every kind of useless crap on earth. 24/7 informercials for colon blow and you name it for a dollar a holler. > I may have a tape around somewhere recorded late @ night but > nothing can possibly begin to get the idea across of how bad they > were. Neo-Nazi shows anyone? I remember the Neo-Nazi shows on at 2 or 3 in the afternoon on Saturday. I was tuning around to hear Arizona Wildcats football and ran across it and had to stop to hear it because I couldn't believe it was on. The KKK was on there. Every sort of corruption on earth was there. They loved to go at night in Phoenix on certain shows and run the full 50 kW when they were authorized only 1 kW just because the whore [escorts] and the porn store show were paying. They would turn it up for the ska punk show too but I didn't mind because I don't hate ska punk music. I understand they NEVER paid their people or any of their bills either. Those station was a true steaming platter of hot feces. I don't miss it and hope radio in general never goes there again. Kevin ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links --=20 Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 21:10:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34715 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2008 04:10:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2008 04:10:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2008 04:10:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1774 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Aug 2008 04:10:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EtUL9JQVM1nqa6azAmopI8lA63zAEgTRtQXEC7mOZkwzCLA2skqVDvfpt_4MxlxxoLlY8Iv_zK9J59evGnyFAoFY4TCiwavVo.VsIjnt40sOeSw_iR8xp6A7g_wOyF61SJSdz6GZPoe4X3Bisc9CcFYM X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:10:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:10:05 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <256382.872.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=rCL_WL5-hfxVs6Qms4HdnybtDQSfc2bm58tE4GLOgIuoVA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 You got MY vote, amigo! G --- On Sat, 8/23/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: Truly bad radio stations > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 4:10 PM > On Aug 23, 2008, at 2:02 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > And the FCC is prosecuting 100mW stations for have too > long ground > > leads.... > > They need to make ME a FCC agent. I will make the FCC my > Yearly Salary > back every Week or I will walk... It will be in my > Contract. I will > make my money ONLY from rules violators that cause QRM such > as Power > and directional cheaters, overmodulators, Daytime Cheaters, > EAS > Violators, and remote violators. > > I will not piss off normal law abiding citizens playing > with part 15s > with an inch too long ground. > > Possum From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Aug 25 06:43:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4668 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2008 13:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2008 13:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.247) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2008 13:43:33 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d33so226196and.24 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:43:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.14.17 with SMTP id 17mr3830480ann.47.1219671813265; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.83? ( [64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm7549664wrl.8.2008.08.25.06.43.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <89358175-C5F8-4599-824A-F9FD81E9CF9C@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:33:22 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=9MzZ6a3a1f19kBP7kHTsdZv040idVxyucH9UPEzJ0rQSzfwxTMrYPw97F3yHbQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 23, 2008, at 8:05 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: > While ISB itself is good, the only plus it really had was that it > could be tuned with two mono radios on either side of the carrier. Kahn ISB has the advantage during Selective Fading. There is no platform motion and a lot less "Ducking". If the FCC would allow, a lot of PowerSide stations could be back in glorious Am Stereo with the flip of a switch. You could not get better sounding AM Stereo than Kahn ISB with Kahn Good-N-Loud processing. Kevin From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 25 07:24:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61114 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2008 14:24:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2008 14:24:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.227) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2008 14:24:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49009 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Aug 2008 14:24:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KKgnaJAVM1kGab69VljdhU4OxSi7ySS6SNu8k4yCHBLeNl1KBAd8Iec_DSz5f.lYVX_Sjf5uBijWJpDtxqG_IA8n9cU_WPNU2lu_d9WtYXCJpw2LRT8.Vv9SG_dY_COE.BijWUGRBDNpaUtGZB.mrJ0- X-Received: from [70.109.204.176] by web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:24:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:24:34 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0981AFE5-C45F-48F6-8D99-D9A441BBBED2@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <242183.48340.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations: A WALE of a tale! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=YQxQFq0sUX0BC0y2sHJ7RRBhjkRx5-bxuoC4f1HwbtQy6f5-PtqU X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I like that word: bloviating!=A0 Oh, Phoenix wasn't the only place wonderin= g what any programming had to do with them.=A0 In Providence heads were scr= atched anywhere that bloated wreck could be (incredulously) heard. --- On Sun, 8/24/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations: A WALE of a tale! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 10:39 PM =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 On Aug 24, 2008, at 6:48 PM, JNR wrote: > 990 WALE: Greenville/Providen ce. Renaissance Radio. A Division of=20=20 > North American Broadcasting. " > 1100 KFNX: Cave Creek/Phoenix. Renaissance Radio. A Division of=20=20 > North American Broadcasting. " I forgot about the cheezy jet SFX. I didn't forget about Kevin Strom=20=20 and the National Alliance. It took me a while to think of the name of=20=20 that Neo Nazi stuff. Now if anything on earth was pornography and=20=20 filth that show was. It wasn't about sex, it was just racist scum=20=20 bloviating. God that station sucked. I was thinking you could "Stab it with your=20=20 steely knife and still not kill the beast..." NABC was the worst in the history of radio on earth. What a flaming=20=20 POS. Thank God I got to see them go down in flames. They took one of=20=20 the greatest AM stereo signals on earth and just shut it down to put=20=20 on shit. I can back you up on how jacked up they were. I think that KFNX and=20=20 WALE were tied because we got a lot of the crappy programs from=20=20 Providence here and the people in Phoenix were thinking, what does=20=20 this have to do with us here? Kevin =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 25 07:30:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84111 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2008 14:30:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2008 14:30:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2008 14:30:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 97427 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Aug 2008 14:30:48 -0000 X-Received: from [70.109.204.176] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:30:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:30:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080825030559.437B447808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <201550.97108.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations: A WALE of a tale! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=5WIvYVXYXPsjQlWSHaPlkB2lDeC_1yG1JV-X1JEGytSonfN8RYre X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On the serious side: WALE could reduce its power to 10kW with 3 towers an e= ngineer once told me.=A0 If it moved to North Providence, R.I. & diplexed o= ff of the 1290 stick it could be huge.=A0 If it went away, 980 in Groton, C= t. as well as, I guess, WCAP in Lowell, Ma. could ease their patterns & the= same for 970/WESO-Southbridge, Ma. & 1000/WCMX-Leominster, Ma..=A0 Also, i= n the winter, when WALE is off during the daytime, you can hear the 990 fro= m Montreal.=A0 I think it's CKGM.=A0 Now for the pattern: you're right- it = does look obscene! 990 in N.E. was WBZ until N.A.R.B.A. & later used for WBET-Brockton, Ma..= =A0 That license has since been turned in.=A0 The current WXBR, descendant = from WBET, is descended from a license originally on 1450.=A0=A0 Compounded= with the fact that 990/WXCT-Southington, Ct. is a wreck too, 990 is one pl= ace to avoid. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Sun, 8/24/08, Joseph Rouse wrote: From: Joseph Rouse Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations: A WALE of a tale! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 11:05 PM =20=20=20=20 Incredible story! Now I understand why so many have stated tha= t it might be just as well to let some stations go dark. Another station = on the frequency may squeak out a few more blocks down the road with the re= duced congestion as well. There is some thing else about this station you may want to check out. If = you go to Radio-Locator. com you will see, even the daytime coverage map lo= oks obscene!! Thanks for sharing. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations: A WALE of a tale! Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:48:54 -0700 (PDT) WALE was notorious in Northeast U.S. radio.=A0 It was a very guilty=20 pleasure to tune in & hear what horrible program was on: worse than=20 the last for sure!=A0 Yes, WALE also ran the neo-nazi hour.=A0 I think=20 it was called "American Dissident Voices."=A0 I remember flinging a=20 cassette of it across the room once as there were a whole big box,=20 about the size of a 19" T.V. would fit into, just full of=20 them!...er, I mean, I heard it from someone who used to work=20 there...yes, that's it!=A0 ALRIGHT, I admit it: I used to work there=20 @ WALE!=A0 Look, I had no $ & had just come back from Florida.=A0 The=20 shows I had to babysit were horrendus.=A0 The worst 5 months of my=20 radio career which I'll never get back.=A0 There, I said it.=A0 I used=20 to work @ the worst radio station on Earth!=A0 More than once did the=20 checks bounce!=A0 Games of pickup basketball using the checks: you'd=20 better believe it! The XMTR. was so bad that in the summertime we had to run it @ low=20 power as there was no A.C.!=A0 That's how the RCA Ampliphase met its=20 demise in 1985: the cooling fan died.=A0 Anyway, apparently the land=20 is also contaminated with P.C.B.s & the R.I. Dept. of Environmental=20 Management told the owners in 1991 to clean it up.=A0 Additionally,=20 after we had "fixed" the xmtr., I ran an unannounced DX test=20 between Midnight-1:00 E.D.T. on the morning of 6/24/2002.=A0 No one=20 called.=A0 I still have a C.D. of it around here.=A0 Anyway, the thing=20 apparently still can't run more than 25kW (it never ran its=20 licensed 50kW back in '02). The audio passed no more than 3-4kHz (it DID sound like a bad phone=20 line).=A0 The remote control would fail constantly.=A0 That summer, the=20 A.C. in the bldg. died & so one of the talk show hosts donated an=20 air conditioner (a window one) which was stuck inside the room.=A0 It=20 was propped up on a bucket & the butt end of the air cond. was in=20 the hallway where it was 100 degrees Fahrenheit or more. When I would walk in on Saturday morning, the station would smell=20 of garlic & onion coming from the "Asian massage parlor" (there=20 were rumors about that place & as an aside, prostitution is=20 quasi-legal in R.I., so long as it's solicited indoors) on the=20 bottom/1st floor (we were on the 2nd). As for drinking/smoking/ eating in the studio: what of it?=A0 Heineken=20 bottles were all over the place, the sales manager who also hosted=20 the punk show (he's now on Genesis Communications as "Jack Blood")=20 once had me go buy a bottle of Jack D. just before airtime for=20 him.=A0 It was a radio Animal House.=A0 We were almost all males in our=20 20s except for one talk show host (the same who brought in the air=20 conditioner) who was notorious for gay-bashing on-air but then=20 off-mic would lust after any male board-op near by.=A0 He also didn't=20 shower. When I was hired for my lengthy 5-month stay, I was told that if=20 the F.C.C. ever showed up when I was board-oping to tell them I'm=20 going to get a manager & then walk out of the station.=A0 Good thing=20 we don't need a 3rd class license now or that would've gotten=20 yanked.=A0 But, I wouldn't have given up the opportunity to let the=20 F.C.C. look @ things.=A0 Not in the least.=A0 What's the worst that=20 could happen to me?=A0 I would be fired?!=A0 It happened anyway as the=20 3RD G.M. in 5 months had a personality conflict with me (see, when=20 I 1st started there, I worked Sunday night & since he had the 1st=20 shift on Monday I pulled his 1st hour to which he reacted to by=20 scrawling on the employee phone list that I was going to catch a=20 beating-see what an a-hole I am?!) I've heard horror stories from other people who have had the=20 misfortune of making WALE their home for a time.=A0 Some I will not=20 repeat here for good taste will not allow it. Oddly enough, in WALE's files, I found a copy of some A.M. stereo=20 material which I gave to someone to scan for me which I haven't=20 seen since 2002.=A0 It was for Kahn.=A0 As far as I know, WALE, nor its=20 predecessors WEAN or WLKW broadcast in stereo.=A0 It's been a flawed=20 facitlity since day 1: April 12th 1961 when the owners wanted a=20 "letterhead 50": a 50kW facility that had a nightmare array-6=20 towers.=A0 It was a station that people will still to this day joke=20 that "only fish listen to."=A0 Supposedly one of the towers is now=20 falling apart.=A0 So when people tell me how much greater a 50kW=20 station is vs. a 250watt daytimer on 1600, I have to laugh.=A0 Bigger=20 is not always better & can be quite a burden.=A0 The electric bill=20 alone was a fortune & WALE wasn't @ full tilt either. WALE went up in front of a bankruptcy court in 2003 & sold to=20 Cumbre Communications.=A0 Supposedly someone defaulted on a loan, it=20 was off for almost a year from Dec. 2006-Dec. 2007, & the sound is=20 a little better.=A0 To borrow part of a phrase from a 500kc. op. when=20 he heard an S.O.S.: in my nightmares, I still hear: "(jet sfx then cheesy authoratative '80s music) This is your=20 50,000-watt talk station, serving all of Southern New England &=20 Beyond.=A0 990 WALE: Greenville/Providen ce.=A0 Renaissance Radio.=A0 A=20 Division of North American Broadcasting. " I still say 990kHz is a cursed frequency.=A0 You can't convince me otherwis= e. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 --- On Sat, 8/23/08, Joseph Rouse wrote: From: Joseph Rouse=20 Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 4:21 PM Man, that station takes the cake for badness! Call=20 letters should be KRAP. I thought local WYSP 94.1 was bad with their call-in show where you=20 get sexual advice from different prostitutes, (sponsored by a local=20 porn shop). It was bad, but you have me beat. WYSP has since changed to a rock music format (where they get=20 squashed by competing WMMR 93.3, every time). The HD channel runs=20 KYW's all news, all the time. Just goes to show you that CBS has no clue what to do with this station. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin redding" To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:57:14 -0500 > I still would like to thank the person gave the *anonymous* tip > to the F.C.C.! I have a REAL GOOD idea who it could have been on the Phoenix end. Couldn't say about if anyone from Providence did anything simultaneously. > Yes, WALE/KCCF were just about the worst of the worst. I have never seen another radio station like them since they got the heave ho and sold. There were shows for whores on after 10 at night. Its the first time I heard that one ever when I heard it on KFNX. Shows for porn stores and all kinds of useless patent medicine. Gold hucksters, con artists and every kind of useless crap on earth. 24/7 informercials for colon blow and you name it for a dollar a holler. > I may have a tape around somewhere recorded late @ night but > nothing can possibly begin to get the idea across of how bad they > were. Neo-Nazi shows anyone? I remember the Neo-Nazi shows on at 2 or 3 in the afternoon on Saturday. I was tuning around to hear Arizona Wildcats football and ran across it and had to stop to hear it because I couldn't believe it was on. The KKK was on there. Every sort of corruption on earth was there. They loved to go at night in Phoenix on certain shows and run the full 50 kW when they were authorized only 1 kW just because the whore [escorts] and the porn store show were paying. They would turn it up for the ska punk show too but I didn't mind because I don't hate ska punk music. I understand they NEVER paid their people or any of their bills either. Those station was a true steaming platter of hot feces. I don't miss it and hope radio in general never goes there again. Kevin ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links --=20 Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 25 08:08:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60577 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2008 15:08:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2008 15:08:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2008 15:08:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 39025 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Aug 2008 15:08:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eLqbif4VM1mo_yQiz.eQMlIobm8IE08zgDbXaMhLF4wa.sWbpPx5uvc2VLctTgsdtyMLkxDqBnRn1TTMMikd8J_1h6V5xBlO3uCUr.9jxiWJ2tH5oDSJh.6Gf5Uwhw-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:08:53 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:08:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <401294.37841.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=h2rtjNUW21xoYiAX5SymHQ2st1dfiRIsA2vW8BYATl0sbe1-oayi4Gw X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I'm trying to remember the charts in Popular Electronics back in '78, but it I remember correctly, CQuam and Harris had the best frequency response (7500Hz - 10KHz), and Kahn and Magnavox were limited to only 5KHz? Anybody have those bar graphs available? I do remember the sweet Magnavox AM Stereo tuner on the front page with an nicely illluminated dial, a bright 'stereo' beacon and a sweet adjustable monster ferrite bar antenna popped-up on the back of the unit! Love to own that tuner! From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Aug 25 15:13:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92546 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2008 22:13:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2008 22:13:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2008 22:13:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1954 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Aug 2008 22:13:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9bjYrKYVM1kLw8ntsSid675kcaioj92I0pKCidATAbQStKBmrPxuiQgAjRRXtfsSlN7_5cK.TKQ3TZnlBkYHhIVrQQzCmy43UYL289oFXITVMxHTRgSzpjAQu_x22XhBRcUPdkCfdOdeZkx0ez8kd8UN X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:13:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:13:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <401294.37841.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <852945.1374.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=wRS2A9D4NfeHWXySgL-2sUPGNOZ8Bm9uMfHol5hDSJfYkg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Unfortunately, none of that tuner were ever made past the prototype. Only Magnavox-ONLY receiver still in existance, as far as I know, is the one-of-a-kind book-shelf boom-box that was used to demo WOWO on, still lurking around WOWO or nearby. If anybody knows of any others, PLEASE let me know! PMX stuff is damned rare, and I am very much interested in finding anything to do with it. BTW, WOWO had response well beyond 7.5 kHz back in the day, but that was probably before the current bandwidth laws. George --- On Mon, 8/25/08, John P. wrote: > From: John P. > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 11:08 AM > I'm trying to remember the charts in Popular Electronics > back in '78, but it I remember correctly, CQuam and > Harris had the best frequency response (7500Hz - 10KHz), and > Kahn and Magnavox were limited to only 5KHz? Anybody have > those bar graphs available? > > I do remember the sweet Magnavox AM Stereo tuner on the > front page with an nicely illluminated dial, a bright > 'stereo' beacon and a sweet adjustable monster > ferrite bar antenna popped-up on the back of the unit! Love > to own that tuner! From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Aug 25 16:20:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81822 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2008 23:20:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2008 23:20:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.238) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2008 23:20:04 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c55so2801729wra.0 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:20:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.71.16 with SMTP id t16mr6095816aga.47.1219706404278; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.107? ( [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 38sm5475256aga.4.2008.08.25.16.20.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <401294.37841.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:45:46 -0400 References: <401294.37841.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=ukgg9xCR_rbkTXT01GitYmpdBiFUrQJ24mb6PwbO4ocE91zwXf9Akm3j7urV9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 25, 2008, at 11:08 AM, John P. wrote: > it I remember correctly, CQuam and Harris had the best frequency > response (7500Hz - 10KHz), and Kahn and Magnavox were limited to > only 5KHz? Anybody have those bar graphs available? That is NOT correct. WQXR sure sounded SWEET in Kahn ISB and only switched to C-QUAM when forced to by the FCC. WOWO used to broadcast in full fidelity with Magnavox AM Stereo. Possum From robert.w.welch@att.net Mon Aug 25 16:35:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18732 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2008 23:35:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2008 23:35:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.31) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2008 23:35:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2008 23:35:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2008 23:35:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:35:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <201550.97108.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.58.159 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: O.T.: Truly bad radio stations: A WALE of a tale! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=fMaH6SRVObWgFnsHJW0aqMU6vgQULmwMDB93WDmtOoB0noEChzCD X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 From my northern Vermont vantage point I would agree that 990 is not a good number to have. In Montreal, CKGM is indeed the call sign for 990. Right now the format is Sportsradio after being Oldies990 for about enough time to sneeze between 1998 and 2001... "only trouble is... gee whis" The Canadiens Hockey is on CJAD 800 and will likely stay there "until the 12th of never." I believe the station currently known as The Team 990 has the rights to broadcast the Montreal Impact soccer... which I guess is good for them. The Team 990 was unveiled as being the radio home for The Montreal Expos... I still wear my Expos cap and fleeze pull-over proudly as the management ran them into the ground. CJAD 800 also has the Montreal Allouette's CFL rights. Other programming... CJAD might as well have a right to print money.=20 Their morning show is a 20 share of the audience and undisputed #1 overall.. BBM Ratings. Their sound is solid and local.. and even lights up the stereo... on a modified Realistic TM-152 once owned by the CJAD engineer who built the transmit plant for the AM Stereo transmitter back when. A la prochaine... Till next time... Bob From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Aug 26 05:09:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33387 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2008 12:09:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2008 12:09:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f14.google.com) (209.85.217.14) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2008 12:09:49 -0000 X-Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so2996734gxk.23 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:09:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.153.14 with SMTP id f14mr9129882ybo.76.1219752589505; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:09:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.112? ( [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k41sm22792773rnd.6.2008.08.26.05.09.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <8C27F9A7-4083-4ABD-9BDF-32B1046A2215@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <852945.1374.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:30:23 -0400 References: <852945.1374.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=b29P-NjaA8-kTp85PMqUjm6pZIGmelhn66uCG5VKjQaGxQ4aLu-Z7Pcw_MNS-A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 25, 2008, at 6:13 PM, george russell wrote: > PMX stuff is damned rare, and I am very much interested in finding > anything to do with it. The Kenwood KRC-959 car radio would get all 4 systems and switch by listening to the Pilot Tones. After the ISB stations had to flip to PowerSide, it would still sense the Pilot tones and you would get all of the audio in one channel. Possum From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 15:18:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17378 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2008 22:18:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2008 22:18:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2008 22:18:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 481 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 2008 22:18:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3B5PQO0VM1kD3hRHfJJxfCilsrUtPz8XezQJgdVnV2YEcLyzdmXt_N7q6lG8pmmMxdQZ_ADpaXsRds5yWyH39i.1O6dc.SxtyFPuCyAzU7LaVfhW16z.9q_6G5lgyP38gZh_b6RyPXXgQ1UhpWaM0DA8 X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:18:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:18:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8C27F9A7-4083-4ABD-9BDF-32B1046A2215@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <977726.97439.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=us_b3ZdmzqF_A8Grdjqyn-4sTnzHtl83y4yiuMh58Y2WzA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I'll bet that is a rare item these days, eh? Somebody out there has a Continental Electronics 302-A PMX exciter, it went on Ebay several years back...I hope I am alive and flush if they decide to sell it, hah-hah! I want to build a smaller version of that, but don't know enough about varactors to make the variable delay line they used to shift the phase. All I remember is they used three varactors, so that each one didn't have to do a lot of shifting, thus keeping the PM nice and linear. I figure on using the matrix stuff and pilot 25 Hz. generator (gotta fool the majority of radios like WOWO did!) in my Alfredo Lite to come up with a nice little set-up. SOMEBODY'S gotta keep Maggie alive, LOL! George --- On Mon, 8/25/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 8:30 PM > On Aug 25, 2008, at 6:13 PM, george russell wrote: > > > PMX stuff is damned rare, and I am very much > interested in finding > > anything to do with it. > > The Kenwood KRC-959 car radio would get all 4 systems and > switch by > listening to the Pilot Tones. After the ISB stations had to > flip to > PowerSide, it would still sense the Pilot tones and you > would get all > of the audio in one channel. > > Possum From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Aug 26 17:43:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16526 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 00:43:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 00:43:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 00:43:38 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.34] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080826194331101991100010.0) with SMTP id <20080826194331101991100010> for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:43:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <025b01c907de$9e76f4e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:43:31 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=qzDlndAlwFQmgX3iK1ah2IAZgB1Lis3H3bFlun6qanS_LMcgDyEx X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Put in your resume. How could they turn down an offer like that? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com They need to make ME a FCC agent. I will make the FCC my Yearly Salary back every Week or I will walk... It will be in my Contract. I will make my money ONLY from rules violators that cause QRM such as Power and directional cheaters, overmodulators, Daytime Cheaters, EAS Violators, and remote violators. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Aug 26 17:57:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8828 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 00:57:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 00:57:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 00:57:03 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.34] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080826195654100386300010.0) with SMTP id <20080826195654100386300010> for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:56:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <028d01c907e0$7cde9340$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <894044.71680.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:56:54 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations: A WALE of a tale! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=2avCe-e8xHra9I__2C9sabyda5X3qugitTOtQrSdxflIyEcnIQ7D X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've actually heard that guy. Got a pirate FM over in North Branch about a half hour east of me that runs all sorts of Genesis hysteria. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com As for drinking/smoking/eating in the studio: what of it? Heineken bottles were all over the place, the sales manager who also hosted the punk show (he's now on Genesis Communications as "Jack Blood") once had me go buy a bottle of Jack D. just before airtime for him. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 18:00:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44878 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 01:00:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 01:00:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.48) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 01:00:52 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 01:00:49 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.66] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 01:00:49 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 01:00:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 411073.53352.bm@omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 74706 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 01:00:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.6 with plain) by smtp128.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 01:00:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3qMdAzQVM1lZJ..RtO8.x7.9Ag91i6AdPYJhJAV5cOuTzCjVI435UOC5k4bliDsxziW7e3xCAEyG05WYUcja3Optb71PsrbUtahwcXT9Bj1bV63mParI..jCfEQcowu6nbF6V5WpmA.2nzbthXdgBIA- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <028d01c907e0$7cde9340$d503fea9@stodd> References: <894044.71680.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <028d01c907e0$7cde9340$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:00:47 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations: A WALE of a tale! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Wsus5U7eeq9Vux-bf0pNb1GWnQhkx6X2VQAY2gHF2SN2OITcDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla I remember hearing him on WARA in Attleboro. Kevin On Aug 26, 2008, at 7:56 PM, wrote: > I've actually heard that guy. Got a pirate FM over in North Branch > about a half hour east of me that runs all sorts of Genesis hysteria. > > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JNR > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > As for drinking/smoking/eating in the studio: what of it? > Heineken bottles were all over the place, the sales manager who > also hosted the punk show (he's now on Genesis Communications as > "Jack Blood") once had me go buy a bottle of Jack D. just before > airtime for him. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 19:27:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29892 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 02:27:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 02:27:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.234) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 02:27:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34662 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2008 02:27:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Nn2TkkEVM1mUNrXLiUuERir6R1UU7GYxde4rBa9vL7C294pejwXwx3dJGYivCviQOG4WVITKvnC9.7DPZtenW4w1nd.NLzKLCCi_ISyJwg1OnXm2yWHyEPAYD4.4fjNKLyJ.oyrWdXYQM6qBvT7iRLM- X-Received: from [64.222.40.250] by web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:27:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:27:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <403395.34197.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: Truly bad radio stations: A WALE of a tale! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=ToSanskJS2_Rt9gRFOKRp_onfxKPGeyM8EgSZ2mtT0W8mvsEdiii X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I remember hearing CJAD from Burlington in stereo in 2004.=A0 Pretty good s= ound.=A0 Same for WIRY.=A0 But yes, avoid the "almost perfect" .99 & go els= ewhere!=A0 Maybe CKGM should've stayed on 980!=A0 As for the sports teams, = it seems funny that a city of Montreal's size wouldn't have more teams but = hey...they have...soccer.=A0 When do you take those breaks?=A0 It's not lik= e they stop play every 15 mins. for commercial timeouts or anything! In St. Aug., Fl. I picked up 2 Expos static cling stickers that they were s= elling for $4.95 earlier this month.=A0 There's 1 set left from them if you= want!=A0 My friend Shawn who's a DXer was an Expos/is a Nationals fan who = promptly put the stickers on his car once he got them. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Mon, 8/25/08, Bob Welch wrote: From: Bob Welch Subject: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: Truly bad radio stations: A WALE of a tale! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 7:35 PM =20=20=20=20 From my northern Vermont vantage point I would agree that 990 i= s not a good number to have. In Montreal, CKGM is indeed the call sign for 990. Right now the format is Sportsradio after being Oldies990 for about enough time to sneeze between 1998 and 2001... "only trouble is... gee whis" The Canadiens Hockey is on CJAD 800 and will likely stay there "until the 12th of never." I believe the station currently known as The Team 990 has the rights to broadcast the Montreal Impact soccer... which I guess is good for them. The Team 990 was unveiled as being the radio home for The Montreal Expos... I still wear my Expos cap and fleeze pull-over proudly as the management ran them into the ground. CJAD 800 also has the Montreal Allouette's CFL rights. Other programming. .. CJAD might as well have a right to print money.=20 Their morning show is a 20 share of the audience and undisputed #1 overall.. BBM Ratings. Their sound is solid and local.. and even lights up the stereo... on a modified Realistic TM-152 once owned by the CJAD engineer who built the transmit plant for the AM Stereo transmitter back when. A la prochaine... Till next time... Bob =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 19:28:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17617 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 02:28:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 02:28:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.233) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 02:28:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7539 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2008 02:28:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7RWAB20VM1n_R3F6qJ0vnthrMq5qaejnwfqqpsWx4.vOzYziDdkaPwUmayBfZU1iQF6QMm1uzHjLTmqYbcTOzE4xw2Kf27cyKk1qaJmBHaJwSgFmT3e5x9Wk42kkJjHlKJPn_uOh1zR_C7x69P2RLT8- X-Received: from [64.222.40.250] by web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:28:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:28:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <028d01c907e0$7cde9340$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <218664.6630.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations: A WALE of a tale! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=1dKa9lUnxSb36RvDiMxxleBerTPDDWcrHE8ylGuNyekSdfZfSxMx X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If there was ever a time for an F.C.C. raid!=A0 Hey, if they could nail Bea= t Radio 97.7 back in the '90s, why not this now?! --- On Tue, 8/26/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrot= e: From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations: A WALE of a tale! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 8:56 PM =20=20=20=20 I've actually heard that guy. Got a pirate FM over in North Br= anch about a half hour east of me that runs all sorts of Genesis hysteria. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JNR=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 As for drinking/smoking/ eating in the studio: what of it? Heineken bottl= es were all over the place, the sales manager who also hosted the punk show= (he's now on Genesis Communications as "Jack Blood") once had me go buy a = bottle of Jack D. just before airtime for him. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 19:29:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66473 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 02:29:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 02:29:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.230) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 02:29:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 97310 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2008 02:29:25 -0000 X-Received: from [64.222.40.250] by web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:29:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:29:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <574259.96824.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations: A WALE of a tale! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=O6H68_54j3Lt3wBJ8A8hc04vBiXVYZBsvRNg4uDxuFnB9373Mbr- X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, they hated him @ WARL.=A0 Some of the other tenants were telling me a= bout things going missing, etc..=A0 Sounded par for the course to me! --- On Tue, 8/26/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations: A WALE of a tale! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 9:00 PM =20=20=20=20 I remember hearing him on WARA in Attleboro. Kevin On Aug 26, 2008, at 7:56 PM, wrote: > I've actually heard that guy. Got a pirate FM over in North Branch=20=20 > about a half hour east of me that runs all sorts of Genesis hysteria. > > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JNR > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > As for drinking/smoking/ eating in the studio: what of it?=20=20 > Heineken bottles were all over the place, the sales manager who=20=20 > also hosted the punk show (he's now on Genesis Communications as=20=20 > "Jack Blood") once had me go buy a bottle of Jack D. just before=20=20 > airtime for him. =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Aug 26 20:00:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64968 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 03:00:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 03:00:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 03:00:44 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.ca4.345d0d88 (42807) for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:00:32 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: O.T.: Truly bad radio stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=klEWtUVmKdR70aTs0aqpRekQUIOD8uuz_rbClOTZRF61-fWHalyGvqHuCxnGC7UD X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/08 7:44:02 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > Put in your resume. How could they turn down an offer like that? > If FCC is run like the Justice Department, he probably has a liberal in his background someplace or didn't do well enough on the "Why I Wish to Serve George W. Bush" essay. Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rjskadl@yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 21:42:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48677 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 04:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 04:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.147) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 04:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 04:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 04:42:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 04:42:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:42:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.195.112.206 From: "RJSKADL" Subject: 1350 WINY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919; y=_CEf3KAoOW44gKaLAXfC4ZzNFnTgRfEm65NaG--eUWMlKA X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl AM Stereo is alive and well in the northeast corner of Connecticut.=20=20 I had the pleasant experience of camping out in Mashamoquet Brook=20 State Park this past weekend. The park is quite nice. The picnic=20 area we used was right alongside the brook. One of the best things=20 about the park is that 1350 WINY has a good strong signal. WINY 1350 is a great example of a smaller market radio station=20 focusing on the local community. Best of all they also kep the=20 legacy of AM stereo alive. I found this station two years ago.=20=20 Last year I was plesantly suprised to see the AM stereo indicater=20 light up on my radio. Of course that meant that I would certainly=20 bring my flash recorder to plug into the radio to record this nifty=20 radio station. I uploaded some files to the file section. I'll upload more as soon=20 as Yahoo lets me. It was being a flpr***tt. The radio was a=20 Sharper Image radio modified by Chriss Cuff to receive AM stereo. I=20 think the end result was pretty good. If you are in Northeastern Connecticut, or southern central=20 Massachussets, check out AM 1350 WINY. Or check them out on the=20 interweb at WINYRadio.com From jaysmilkstein@yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 22:01:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jaysmilkstein@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10227 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 05:01:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 05:01:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.211) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 05:01:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.144] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 05:01:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t6.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 05:01:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 05:01:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:01:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.80.199.188 From: "jaysmilkstein" Subject: Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=239228231; y=iyW9vP4Slc3tQkMU2Bt2PFsNZLcc7K5rzkMZbKCHztKvGjEuhPWkAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jaysmilkstein --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > >=20 > On Aug 25, 2008, at 11:08 AM, John P. wrote: >=20 > > it I remember correctly, CQuam and Harris had the best frequency=20=20 > > response (7500Hz - 10KHz), and Kahn and Magnavox were limited to=20=20 > > only 5KHz? Anybody have those bar graphs available? >=20 > That is NOT correct. WQXR sure sounded SWEET in Kahn ISB and only=20=20 > switched to C-QUAM when forced to by the FCC. >=20 > WOWO used to broadcast in full fidelity with Magnavox AM Stereo. >=20 > Possum > It was only after Radio Disney took over that it switched to C-Quam, I=20 think there was 1 Kahn station in Hartford until it went Iboc this=20 spring 2008. From jaysmilkstein@yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 22:04:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jaysmilkstein@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89530 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 05:04:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 05:04:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.102) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 05:04:29 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n19.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 05:04:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 05:04:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 05:04:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:04:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.80.199.188 From: "jaysmilkstein" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=239228231; y=kqowixOIwIwo8KyDlvj7Z7B6OE8YLgtecAPNGF8SOJSigP8VIzoN-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jaysmilkstein --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > >=20 > On Aug 25, 2008, at 11:08 AM, John P. wrote: >=20 > > it I remember correctly, CQuam and Harris had the best frequency=20=20 > > response (7500Hz - 10KHz), and Kahn and Magnavox were limited to=20=20 > > only 5KHz? Anybody have those bar graphs available? >=20 > That is NOT correct. WQXR sure sounded SWEET in Kahn ISB and only=20=20 > switched to C-QUAM when forced to by the FCC. >=20 > WOWO used to broadcast in full fidelity with Magnavox AM Stereo. >=20 > Possum >Leonard Kahn told me the Kahn system went from 30 to 15000 cycles From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 00:08:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30997 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 07:08:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 07:08:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 07:08:14 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 07:08:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 07:08:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 07:08:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:08:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.123 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=bdAkH1Tr9wC6Vti9AVQ1IuCXYYeTt1JpIK-0I6QPH0XgYBqeIg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > >=20 > > I don't agree with you about the ISB was/is the worst system. I=20 > > agree about the original Kahn way is... "less than perfect".=20 Today,=20 > > with all the digital tricks we known, we could get a very best,=20 > > clean, strong and reliable AMS signal with ISB and I bet it=20 would be=20 > > better than C-QUAM. >=20 > This is based on personal experience, mind you- ISB mode on the=20 Sony > SRF-A100 had less treble than in any of the matrix modes. While ISB > itself is good, the only plus it really had was that it could be=20 tuned > with two mono radios on either side of the carrier. Kahn's system > lacked most of the advantages that C-QUAM had, which led to things > like spurious harmonics. On tests that were conducted prior to and > during the '80s marketplace decision (according to the Stan=20 Prentiss > book "AM Stereo & TV Stereo"), Kahn's system had the worst > performance, followed by Harris- And Harris was forced to convert=20 its > stations to C-QUAM (most did, some refused to- I have a recording=20 of > Seattle's KOMO 1000 that was still using the Harris system...in=20 1991, > well after the FCC mandated all Harris stations be so converted=20 over), > due to "sweetening" the figures, which did upset the FCC. >=20 > A key problem with ISB is that even on a single radio capable of=20 ISB, > you'd have to be tuned in EXACTLY to the carrier frequency to get=20 the > right balance, and the situation can be worse in the dial radio=20 technique. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > You're so right Amy. In that time, with the original Kahn system and=20 the limited tuner technics, yes ISB couldn't be the better. But now, with a lot of new tricks (digital modulation, digital=20 carrier synthesis, digital audio filters, etc) I bet it would be=20 great. I'm not despising C-QUAM or other system. I just want to say that:=20 today, ISB, C-QUAM, or others, would be so great; today, with all=20 the new digital tricks we have now. And, please, you told me something about a 4 discrete audio channels=20 in AM, but you didn't write more details. Can you update me, please? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 00:08:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90903 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 07:08:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 07:08:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.101) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 07:08:34 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 07:08:33 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 07:08:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 07:08:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:08:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.123 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=g-q5qnv1XT0xEsmPt8mcEnOKQgb6kRQpi0b52quVO7nWzl5qwQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > >=20 > > I don't agree with you about the ISB was/is the worst system. I=20 > > agree about the original Kahn way is... "less than perfect".=20 Today,=20 > > with all the digital tricks we known, we could get a very best,=20 > > clean, strong and reliable AMS signal with ISB and I bet it=20 would be=20 > > better than C-QUAM. >=20 > This is based on personal experience, mind you- ISB mode on the=20 Sony > SRF-A100 had less treble than in any of the matrix modes. While ISB > itself is good, the only plus it really had was that it could be=20 tuned > with two mono radios on either side of the carrier. Kahn's system > lacked most of the advantages that C-QUAM had, which led to things > like spurious harmonics. On tests that were conducted prior to and > during the '80s marketplace decision (according to the Stan=20 Prentiss > book "AM Stereo & TV Stereo"), Kahn's system had the worst > performance, followed by Harris- And Harris was forced to convert=20 its > stations to C-QUAM (most did, some refused to- I have a recording=20 of > Seattle's KOMO 1000 that was still using the Harris system...in=20 1991, > well after the FCC mandated all Harris stations be so converted=20 over), > due to "sweetening" the figures, which did upset the FCC. >=20 > A key problem with ISB is that even on a single radio capable of=20 ISB, > you'd have to be tuned in EXACTLY to the carrier frequency to get=20 the > right balance, and the situation can be worse in the dial radio=20 technique. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > You're so right Amy. In that time, with the original Kahn system and=20 the limited tuner technics, yes ISB couldn't be the better. But now, with a lot of new tricks (digital modulation, digital=20 carrier synthesis, digital audio filters, etc) I bet it would be=20 great. I'm not despising C-QUAM or other system. I just want to say that:=20 today, ISB, C-QUAM, or others, would be so great; today, with all=20 the new digital tricks we have now. And, please, you told me something about a 4 discrete audio channels=20 in AM, but you didn't write more details. Can you update me, please? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 00:24:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68405 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 07:24:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 07:24:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.103) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 07:24:23 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n20.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 07:24:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 07:24:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 07:24:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:24:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <89358175-C5F8-4599-824A-F9FD81E9CF9C@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.123 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=lRzsDhIGNAK_rQCanNVgHMMMl8mW8GVUIBrrGm_XnWZPXa8FbA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > >=20 > On Aug 23, 2008, at 8:05 PM, Amy Mousie wrote: >=20 > > While ISB itself is good, the only plus it really had was that it=20=20 > > could be tuned with two mono radios on either side of the carrier. >=20 > Kahn ISB has the advantage during Selective Fading. There is no=20=20 > platform motion and a lot less "Ducking". If the FCC would allow, a=20=20 > lot of PowerSide stations could be back in glorious Am Stereo with=20 the=20=20 > flip of a switch. You could not get better sounding AM Stereo than=20=20 > Kahn ISB with Kahn Good-N-Loud processing. >=20 > Kevin > I insist: with the today digital tricks we have now, ISB would be the=20 best analog AM Stereo system. Although C-QUAM, with today digital=20 tricks, would be so great, too. The only one doubt I have is... Why the FCC just let C-QUAM? There is=20 a lot of C-QUAM tuners, but there isn't enough ISB tuners. So, if=20 somebody want to broadcast with ISB, maybe nobody could decode him!!!=20 The only one loss will be to that guy, not to the rest of the world. I see it as if you transmit in mono or stereo in AM and/or FM. There=20 is no problem!!! If you transmit in mono, you lose, nobody but you. An ISB transmission doesn't make/do/build any problem in a mono tuner=20 and/or a C-QUAM tuner, so... it is absolutely inoffensive. So... Why=20 to fordid it? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 01:06:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95477 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 08:06:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 08:06:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.33) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 08:06:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 08:06:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 08:06:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:06:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.21.45 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=-UPVWX5JS4mdN6fmz4EId2CocWIinDOUoT9qqDwKZHVJC9JE X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jaysmilkstein" wrote: > >Leonard Kahn told me the Kahn system went from 30 to 15000 cycles > Since the pilot signal was 15Hz, I can see it getting that low. However, of the 4 main systems in the '80s, there was no reason not to expect AMS to have full stereo separation out to 20kHz...or higher. This ruled RCA/Belar out, since it limited separation from about 300Hz-6kHz. (The original RCA system could do 50Hz-10kHz.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 01:23:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88232 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 08:23:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 08:23:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.101) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 08:23:07 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 08:23:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 08:23:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 08:23:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:23:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.21.45 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=dffsooA_nibsbp-98yZZgLgRZcmvRWf8DGoDRQcUvS5vNt7B X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > > right balance, and the situation can be worse in the dial radio=20 > technique. (Should read "dual", there.) > You're so right Amy. In that time, with the original Kahn system and=20 > the limited tuner technics, yes ISB couldn't be the better. >=20 > But now, with a lot of new tricks (digital modulation, digital=20 > carrier synthesis, digital audio filters, etc) I bet it would be=20 > great. >=20 > I'm not despising C-QUAM or other system. I just want to say that:=20 > today, ISB, C-QUAM, or others, would be so great; today, with all=20 > the new digital tricks we have now. While there is DSP, there are analogue techniques- Not to mention VAST improvement in analogue chip technology over the last 15 years alone- that make AM stereo live up to its promise of superior sound quality even under DX conditions. > And, please, you told me something about a 4 discrete audio channels=20 > in AM, but you didn't write more details. Can you update me, please? In a typical QAM signal (like C-QUAM or ISB), you don't have just 2 sidebands- You have 4! It's trickier to modulate each of the 4 sidebands, but it can be done. The resulting signal is incompatible to ordinary QAM or ISB reception, and wreaks havoc on ordinary mono radios. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 01:42:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95025 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 08:42:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 08:42:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.134) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 08:42:21 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 08:42:21 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 08:42:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 08:42:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:42:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.21.45 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Ysjmq3hCRcYtOlt3bVLgZkW1GiaExykwSmSm0WTfP7LA6rks X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > I insist: with the today digital tricks we have now, ISB would be the=20 > best analog AM Stereo system. Although C-QUAM, with today digital=20 > tricks, would be so great, too. As stated, ISB, considering today's technology, has no advantage OTHER THAN that you can use dual mono AM radios. > The only one doubt I have is... Why the FCC just let C-QUAM? There is=20 > a lot of C-QUAM tuners, but there isn't enough ISB tuners. So, if=20 > somebody want to broadcast with ISB, maybe nobody could decode him!!!=20 > The only one loss will be to that guy, not to the rest of the world. Prior to the most successful AM stereo radio- the Sony SRF-42- the most successful AM stereo radio was a multimode radio- the Sony SRF-A100. The thing is, Motorola had chips available, whereas the others were simply not set up to support their systems on the receiver end. This is surprising to say, since Magnavox, a Philips brand, could've taken opportunity to put out chips from their own chip plants, but did not. I only know of two chips designed around the Magnavox system- a National Semiconductor chip (first AMS chip ever made- introduced in 1981) and the Sony AMS chip used in the 'A100 and 'A1. =20 > I see it as if you transmit in mono or stereo in AM and/or FM. There=20 > is no problem!!! If you transmit in mono, you lose, nobody but you. >=20 > An ISB transmission doesn't make/do/build any problem in a mono tuner=20 > and/or a C-QUAM tuner, so... it is absolutely inoffensive. So... Why=20 > to fordid it? Stereo on AM doesn't retard reception like it does for FM- It actually improves it, due to greater phase control. The only reason the FCC actually forbade ISB was because of Kahn himself, rather than the system- They only begrudgingly allowed PowerSide, but they were otherwise fed up with Kahn. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From starship_2001@msn.com Wed Aug 27 01:49:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13375 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 08:49:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 08:49:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s41.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.113) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 08:49:46 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.136.11]) by bay0-omc1-s41.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:49:45 -0700 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:49:45 -0700 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.3 by BAY131-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:49:39 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [starship_2001@msn.com] X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:49:40 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2008 08:49:45.0414 (UTC) FILETIME=[DAC64660:01C90821] Return-Path: starship_2001@msn.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Norbert 26" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1350 WINY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=3FOzLQ6UmfF1DduIM-wcknCReJ0fyYxkKHrGpN8D_EnfU_bcusftNcIO3g X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i can get that down in the park a few miles from here fair signal on a few portables however i had NO idea the were stereo. the only radios i have that can hear it are mono. another AM stereo station just out of range (i can't quite catch it in mono either) is WJIB 740 . -----Original Message----- From: RJSKADL Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:42 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} 1350 WINY AM Stereo is alive and well in the northeast corner of Connecticut. I had the pleasant experience of camping out in Mashamoquet Brook State Park this past weekend. The park is quite nice. The picnic area we used was right alongside the brook. One of the best things about the park is that 1350 WINY has a good strong signal. WINY 1350 is a great example of a smaller market radio station focusing on the local community. Best of all they also kep the legacy of AM stereo alive. I found this station two years ago. Last year I was plesantly suprised to see the AM stereo indicater light up on my radio. Of course that meant that I would certainly bring my flash recorder to plug into the radio to record this nifty radio station. I uploaded some files to the file section. I'll upload more as soon as Yahoo lets me. It was being a flpr***tt. The radio was a Sharper Image radio modified by Chriss Cuff to receive AM stereo. I think the end result was pretty good. If you are in Northeastern Connecticut, or southern central Massachussets, check out AM 1350 WINY. Or check them out on the interweb at WINYRadio.com ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 05:33:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82448 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 12:33:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 12:33:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.188) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 12:33:36 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n22.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 12:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.70] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 12:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 12:33:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 767939.74739.bm@omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 19640 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 12:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.196.13 with plain) by smtp114.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 12:33:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: R9SseOoVM1k2OW159gcHqA6Y_t1H5bK3skP0.vduN1hNqixxTb812Nmk01tVXCLv3RlsLGrH5Eqaao.MUV9sm52s3fC20OYC6F4OSlLCzotf.IeZ3so7NFV_K0TpCep_8Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:33:30 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1350 WINY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Gq6zDUEf0nwWtI-ZrK6n0uUsVW5Y3gIsGVEC-wL6jP3oSQdgOA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > One of the best things > about the park is that 1350 WINY has a good strong signal. WINY in Putnam, CT. I used to listen to them when I lived in Rhode Island. Kevin From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 06:23:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57290 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 13:23:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 13:23:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 13:23:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82549 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2008 13:23:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ctVQonIVM1kTk1Vkh.Xefz.C8gzLBkJN0ezQqju3usGGQm3NUgnu9mGZYrprhQNSeDwvW.Dp3b7MhjIb9ZIBiEs9.hpRaY_19m.BBtnbK8vo3Vq5X0eINdeqwx8Xpg-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:23:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:23:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <904305.81979.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re:1350 WINY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=GeEJNaR_jwP-ofZAgVeF3vlhw1hdxw87rsfpFv23fBk9x0wCz-dKEtY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Their neighbor on the radio dial, appropriately, is WIRY in Plattsburgh, NY, and they are a great example of what radio was and is supposed to be - live, local, real people, and of course, AM STEREO. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 06:25:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95246 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 13:25:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 13:25:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 13:25:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 74694 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2008 13:25:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: l_7eKn0VM1mUWpT1_UL9bGBk0zVPnc2TuZTLIB9z1nKgPbbZ5XWsva6N.duiBuspcBDoiNyD2hs6eYXKqi147G9_hvFd8P8Cpju.IZxVoSVFt.kqPj6iTpNS_dWrMA-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:25:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:25:38 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <769137.73923.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=0LGykUG5KDjWOFBAtEkPGTGSnNVA2t_c8s13GjZ6aDt0A7H16tS8GcM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I'm having more AMS flashbacks; IIRC, the original Harris mixed the stereo audio at 200Hz and below because "you don't need stereo steering for bass notes (ie: subwoofers)" and apparently they needed that low end for compatibility with their moving target pilot tone vectors. Wow, a multi-mode AM stereo radio would be no problem today - too bad our current technology wasn't available in the 70's; imagine AM on a nearly level playing field with FM! From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 08:27:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87322 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 15:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 15:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 15:27:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27369 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2008 15:27:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .0Xf6VMVM1lJUrABJ0vBTVXaJdnItfmqAwoUjJWVGiLrz.8jFtqjro.N0ajMi9izRcuK4hb7XhTIyi0h2tdimIqBMPncAPtPQmYUtJ396aQAvhfs.v2..5SOll4suk9Ey7N_knv_._6Wvn0BggZtUZpu X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:27:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:27:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <409348.27055.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=zyFWdHORAXiwMQbRahEsjSuyK_hjC959wVqKQmNBegvwzA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Amy, wasn't that N.S. Magnavox chip an LM-1981? I seem to recall the number being the same as the year it came out. N.S. made a lot of cool chips back then, including a decoder for all the matrix quad systems, and a gain-steering chip to improve separation. George --- On Wed, 8/27/08, Amy Mousie wrote: > From: Amy Mousie > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 4:42 AM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" > wrote: > > > I insist: with the today digital tricks we have now, > ISB would be the > > best analog AM Stereo system. Although C-QUAM, with > today digital > > tricks, would be so great, too. > > As stated, ISB, considering today's technology, has no > advantage OTHER > THAN that you can use dual mono AM radios. > > > The only one doubt I have is... Why the FCC just let > C-QUAM? There is > > a lot of C-QUAM tuners, but there isn't enough ISB > tuners. So, if > > somebody want to broadcast with ISB, maybe nobody > could decode him!!! > > The only one loss will be to that guy, not to the rest > of the world. > > Prior to the most successful AM stereo radio- the Sony > SRF-42- the > most successful AM stereo radio was a multimode radio- the > Sony SRF-A100. > > The thing is, Motorola had chips available, whereas the > others were > simply not set up to support their systems on the receiver > end. This > is surprising to say, since Magnavox, a Philips brand, > could've taken > opportunity to put out chips from their own chip plants, > but did not. > I only know of two chips designed around the Magnavox > system- a > National Semiconductor chip (first AMS chip ever made- > introduced in > 1981) and the Sony AMS chip used in the 'A100 and > 'A1. > > > I see it as if you transmit in mono or stereo in AM > and/or FM. There > > is no problem!!! If you transmit in mono, you lose, > nobody but you. > > > > An ISB transmission doesn't make/do/build any > problem in a mono tuner > > and/or a C-QUAM tuner, so... it is absolutely > inoffensive. So... Why > > to fordid it? > > Stereo on AM doesn't retard reception like it does for > FM- It actually > improves it, due to greater phase control. > > The only reason the FCC actually forbade ISB was because of > Kahn > himself, rather than the system- They only begrudgingly > allowed > PowerSide, but they were otherwise fed up with Kahn. > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Aug 27 12:30:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69313 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 19:30:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 19:30:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.178) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 19:30:25 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m16so8770waf.6 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:30:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.125.2 with SMTP id x2mr546423wac.59.1219865425468; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.120? ( [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm36270ywo.7.2008.08.27.12.30.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <8DEE68AE-73A4-45E3-89DC-5ACB965E6EBC@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:30:41 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=4zK70dOrGU719V24MN5TlGrI1A_XvWXpz_407sXxmDH2uruJPlj571AuoXmLOw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Aug 27, 2008, at 1:01 AM, jaysmilkstein wrote: > It was only after Radio Disney took over that it switched to C-Quam, No, WQXR switched from Kahn ISB to C-QUAM the they were forced to by the FCC. They were C-QUAM the whole time they ran the Nostalgia format as WQEW, the Disney dropped the Stereo soon after the format change to Children's Programming. That made NO sense as Radio Disney is distributed in Stereo and remains in Stereo in several markets. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 13:03:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78530 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 20:03:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 20:03:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.41) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 20:03:05 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n14.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 20:03:05 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.245] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 20:03:05 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 20:03:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 334725.67888.bm@omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 18880 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 20:03:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.196.13 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 20:03:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hpw9HDwVM1lb90OCN7csiz_..VwYky.FDuW1h7py0BMfe5I6FhO6znafCNbnq3Lh8LsDlYW49_ywGsPoVJ_sAyTZdCDA8TQ9_INork44qYdK2AuzJG5IV7s6qoqYNHEdSg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <8DEE68AE-73A4-45E3-89DC-5ACB965E6EBC@gmail.com> References: <8DEE68AE-73A4-45E3-89DC-5ACB965E6EBC@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <38C7392F-A527-4A15-B67E-579C1C0C8834@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:03:03 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=a2V_lwcHKBmehMq7dekJVBaiq8gG59S7xmxSciSFEIg1vOYQhg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > WQXR switched from Kahn ISB to C-QUAM the they were forced to by > the FCC. They were C-QUAM the whole time they ran the Nostalgia format > as WQEW, Man did they ever sound good in my 1989 Dodge Dynasty. AM stereo with some of the best music ever made. Can't beat that. Kevin From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Aug 27 17:16:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77713 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2008 00:16:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2008 00:16:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2008 00:16:19 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.126] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080827191551101199300010.0) with SMTP id <20080827191551101199300010> for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:15:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <007901c908a3$ec837760$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <218664.6630.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:15:51 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations: A WALE of a tale! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=vYbjj23-G73rEkHo_CRldz3LvBhPV49wkC_fiHfjyjrxM5vUqnZf X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm thinking he may have gotten busted at least once before. This station was off the air for several months. Don't think he's running quite as much power now, though. Could hear it on a good car radio just to the east side of Cambridge before, but now it hardly makes it 1/3 of the way. It also helps that he's an hour north of the metro area whereas Beat Radio was receivable at the FCC monitoring station just north of downtown St. Paul. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 9:28 PM If there was ever a time for an F.C.C. raid! Hey, if they could nail Beat Radio 97.7 back in the '90s, why not this now?! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 17:37:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35135 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2008 00:37:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2008 00:37:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.107) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2008 00:37:50 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 00:37:50 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 00:37:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 00:37:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:37:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <769137.73923.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.21.45 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=_6ek5Vj7vhOOsBoxDaRaptstJxfR3e-1Eww4jMZyYwwaFd0x X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > I'm having more AMS flashbacks; IIRC, the original Harris mixed the stereo audio at 200Hz and below because "you don't need stereo steering for bass notes (ie: subwoofers)" and apparently they needed that low end for compatibility with their moving target pilot tone vectors. Yeah, something like that. :) =20 > Wow, a multi-mode AM stereo radio would be no problem today - too bad our current technology wasn't available in the 70's; imagine AM on a nearly level playing field with FM! It sorta makes the whole issue of which is better rather irrelevant in some ways, but there are still the diehard ISBers and such... Oh, well... I would've loved to have heard the original RCA AM-FM system in operation, but alas, I was born much too late! :( Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 17:39:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10129 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2008 00:39:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2008 00:39:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.165) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2008 00:39:38 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 00:39:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 00:39:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 00:39:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:39:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <409348.27055.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.165 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.21.45 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=-92V8fcOZ-6a4wYUSIVfREgb2deqWHWXZhRpK1VIeW9v0Q4H X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Amy, wasn't that N.S. Magnavox chip an LM-1981? I seem to recall the number being the same as the year it came out. Something like that. Some warehouses still have 'em- I'd almost kill for one or two... :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From rjskadl@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 21:24:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57524 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2008 04:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2008 04:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n23d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.213) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2008 04:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 04:24:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 04:24:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:24:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.195.112.206 From: "RJSKADL" Subject: Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919; y=JAd4ORlqAK_urcHx29aon2yXgI6iX9H_RFsSHe6twMeZoA X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jaysmilkstein"=20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 > wrote: > > > >=20 > > On Aug 25, 2008, at 11:08 AM, John P. wrote: > >=20 > > > ...WQXR sure sounded SWEET in Kahn ISB and only=20=20 > > switched to C-QUAM when forced to by the FCC. > > WOWO used to broadcast in full fidelity with Magnavox AM Stereo. > > Possum > > > It was only after Radio Disney took over that it switched to C- Quam, I=20 > think there was 1 Kahn station in Hartford until it went Iboc this=20 > spring 2008. > WQEW absolutely did broadcast in C-Quam long before Radio Disney.=20=20 In fact the day that Disney showed up on 1560 was the day the pilot=20 light went out. The Disney people apparently said "Kids don't care=20 about stereo." Before C-quam became the official system they did=20 use Kahn. A friend of mine recently toured the TX site before=20 Disney took full ownership and there was still some of the Kahn=20 stuff in there including a Good-N-Loud unit. The big 66 WNBC also started out with the Kahn system. Of course,=20 NBC sold off its radio division and WNBC became WFAN. Interesting=20 to note, WFAN (Then owned by Emmis) was the station that took out=20 the Kanh stuff and installed the C-Quam exciters. This is=20 interesting because they were, and still are a sports talk station.=20=20 Aparrently they were going to get stereo crowd and sound effects=20 from games, but apparently this never panned out. Several years ago=20 there was a failure in the exciter and so it was removed=20 permanently. Now WFAN operates the HD system. Of course we all=20 know what HD stands for... From rjskadl@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 22:01:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96615 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2008 05:01:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2008 05:01:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.101) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2008 05:01:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.144] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 05:01:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t6.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 05:01:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 05:01:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:01:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.195.112.206 From: "RJSKADL" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919; y=pKUeF6ES-L0SCYcWaKZtKm9LvtcOnRZvv19Nb42mqvS8Lg X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" > wrote: > > > >=20 > > All though it isn't real easy to in an purchase a radio with HD=20 it ; > of SCA you had to go have a DECENT radio modified for SCA or get=20 one > from a very specialized place.=20=20 > >=20 >=20 > I use one from http://www.radiosca.com/ , which has travelled with=20 me > for 3 years, now. Or just search on eBay for "sca fm", and you'll=20 find > some. :) >=20 > (No, SCA isn't stereo-- That's an advantage of HD2 services. And=20 SCA > doesn't stand for "SubCarrier Audio", but it might as well be,=20 since > Subsidiary Communications Authorization is no longer required to=20 run > SCA services.) >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ The SCA Radios are very affordable and work quite well. I too got=20 the radio from Radiosca.com and I am very pleased with it. The=20 RadioSCA unit is only $29 and there is another unit on eBay that=20 sells for $35.=20=20 The biggest market around here for SCA was in New York City. There=20 are a lot of ethnic offerings on SCA channels. While receivers had=20 not been readily available to the general public, there were often a=20 lot of sidewalk vendors in the neighborhoods that these SCA stations=20 targeted that would sell the special receivers. They would also=20 sell them in shops in the target neighborhoods, and also avertise=20 them in print publications for the target community. Now with=20 RadioSCA.com and eBay it is much easier to find and buy an SCA=20 capable radio. There are no real SCA offerings here on Long Island but there are a=20 lot coming out of New York City. Most are all foreign language.=20=20 One of our local Long Island AM stations broadcasts the Chineese=20 Radio Network from 6am to 6pm. They get their feed from I believe=20 the 67kHz subcarrier of the ever popular 101.1 CBS-FM. SCA is=20 compatible with HD.=20=20 Some stations also use SCA for telemetry. One of our big stations=20 uses subcarriers to control and monitor the transmitter. They use=20 one above 100kHz on the STL to send data to the transmitter and get=20 data back from the transmitter on 92kHz. You can hear the digital=20 data return signal on the SCA radio. Another station I used to work for used the SCA equipment for remote=20 broadcasts. They fed the SCA generator with audio from the cue=20 channel on the studio console so that the studio operator could=20 communicate with the talent at the remote site. This was just=20 before the days when everyone had a cell phone. The technique=20 worked quite well. I never understood why SCA didn't catch on and I think its=20 interesting that broadcasters seem eager to jump on the HD2=20 bandwagon while they could have been doing the same thing all along=20 with SCA.=20=20 As for HD2 having the advantage of being stereo, yes it does, but at=20 a cost. I will say that I think HD FM sounds pretty good. However,=20 most stations run an HD2 channel which translates into lower=20 bitrates as some of that valuable bandwidth has to go toward the=20 additional audio stream. The result is degraded audio on the main=20 HD channel and even worse degredation on the HD2. Some stations run=20 the exact same program on the HD2 as they do on the HD main=20 channel. I say, if you don't have anything to put on your HD2, or=20 if its just a part time program stream, then shut it off when its=20 not being used. It will make the HD main sound much better. The HD=20 stations that dont run HD2s sound much better than the ones that do. HD3. There was a station in Indianapolis that ran an HD3. They=20 gave up about a year ago. They moved their classic hits format from=20 the main channel to the HD2, and moved the oldies format from the=20 HD2 to the main analog and HD channel. They did away with the HD3. WNYC does HD3 as well. I'm not sure why. They run WNYC FM on the=20 HD main and the HD2. The HD3 runs the simulcast of WNYC AM. The=20 other HD station that has an HD3 is WPLJ. The difference is I=20 believe both the HD2 and HD3 are mono. That means there should be=20 about enough bandwidth for the Main HD as if they were running one=20 stereo HD2. Closing thought...Oddly enough, I think that due to lousy market=20 saturation and lack of consumer interest, there are probably more=20 people listening to the niche ethnic broadcasts on the SCA channels=20 than there are people listening to the HD2 channels.=20=20 Now for some real fun dialogue... How about AM RDS? I understand from some old FCC document I subled=20 across way back when that RDS was supposed to have been designed for=20 AM but a system was never developed and thus only the FM system was=20 approved. What could be done to make an RDS system for AM that=20 would still be compatible with cQuam and therefore could be employed=20 worldwide??? From jmrouse@mail.com Wed Aug 27 22:35:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17147 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2008 05:35:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2008 05:35:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2008 05:35:34 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 55E8F1800212 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:35:34 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.51) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Aug 2008 05:35:16 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4AFCB47808F; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:35:34 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:35:34 -0500 X-Received: from [71.185.16.22] by ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:35:34 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20080828053534.4AFCB47808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=lPTAx8a_gBF8sHoFjmk7IL61uy0_cigAGyqW-8ZQ9C_YBSoA-3g4 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Of course we all know what HD stands for... I'm not sure. Is it Hash Distribution or Hardly Discernible? ----- Original Message ----- From: RJSKADL=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:24:45 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jaysmilkstein" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter wrote: > > > > > On Aug 25, 2008, at 11:08 AM, John P. wrote: > > > > ...WQXR sure sounded SWEET in Kahn ISB and only > switched=20 > to C-QUAM when forced to by the FCC. > > WOWO used to broadcast in full fidelity with Magnavox AM Stereo. > > Possum > > > It was only after Radio Disney took over that it switched to C- Quam, I > think there was 1 Kahn station in Hartford until it went Iboc=20 > this spring 2008. > WQEW absolutely did broadcast in C-Quam long before Radio Disney. In fact the day that Disney showed up on 1560 was the day the pilot light went out. The Disney people apparently said "Kids don't care about stereo." Before C-quam became the official system they did use Kahn. A friend of mine recently toured the TX site before Disney took full ownership and there was still some of the Kahn stuff in there including a Good-N-Loud unit. The big 66 WNBC also started out with the Kahn system. Of course, NBC sold off its radio division and WNBC became WFAN. Interesting to note, WFAN (Then owned by Emmis) was the station that took out the Kanh stuff and installed the C-Quam exciters. This is interesting because they were, and still are a sports talk station. Aparrently they were going to get stereo crowd and sound effects from games, but apparently this never panned out. Several years ago there was a failure in the exciter and so it was removed permanently. Now WFAN operates the HD system. Of course we all know what HD stands for... ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links --=20 Nothing says Labor Day like 500hp of American muscle Visit OnCars.com today. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 00:28:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8484 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2008 07:28:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2008 07:28:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2008 07:28:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.145] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 07:28:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t8.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 07:28:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 07:28:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:28:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.21.45 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=b7x4iELDeVOA0kPzgLigH7i5L7RBz8fImLecaAMK3yWDs0YL X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "RJSKADL" wrote: > Now for some real fun dialogue... >=20 > How about AM RDS? I understand from some old FCC document I subled=20 > across way back when that RDS was supposed to have been designed for=20 > AM but a system was never developed and thus only the FM system was=20 > approved. What could be done to make an RDS system for AM that=20 > would still be compatible with cQuam and therefore could be employed=20 > worldwide??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation_signalling_system Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 05:33:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96525 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2008 12:33:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2008 12:33:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n75.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.51) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2008 12:33:41 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n75.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 12:33:40 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 12:33:40 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.250] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 12:33:40 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 12:33:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 860913.56867.bm@omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 42609 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2008 12:33:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.196.13 with plain) by smtp121.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2008 12:33:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: W7Bw0cUVM1kGAYfhSBehLLNkD03YzrNcDfnUCbIWmZavt4bmS1fzHvvW.6d6ieihy8IIee1NIV73VjSkgsBY3rTnl94AD5XkD3_n5tRM6PfQtzj69AqHY9bQfQrAbf3W1g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20080828053534.4AFCB47808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080828053534.4AFCB47808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:33:39 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=uuEcutT6FS6mkoBcI5RkBZKWUlksLo4tR5Ybs4OI1tKZUfOo6g X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Highly Destructive. On Aug 28, 2008, at 12:35 AM, Joseph Rouse wrote: > Of course we all know what HD stands for... > > I'm not sure. Is it Hash Distribution or Hardly Discernible? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 06:50:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 356 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2008 13:50:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2008 13:50:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2008 13:50:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 40996 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Aug 2008 13:50:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 84_bo4wVM1k0ddtaUfR66cXrS4f.0QKs4X2lrr5ZpCL.3jar9wbt2pLYxnBS_GsR_COMLq.kguFAPmmcpVeQDtOR.6Hqu1i0nXkr4TpiVD9neAEGk6xbP8gxjrB9WA-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:50:00 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:50:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <434066.38006.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Magnavox AM Stereo Memories X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=FQsunQAb9MMqO-6tS0dbE01OpTSDTvueyzHohZdsslJ-DO2nmUir75I X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio AM RDS - I believe that the Magnavox system had a way to send some slow speed data by modulating a 5Hz tone?? Speaking of the LM1981 - I was the proud owner of one chip - had it in a "protoboard" and made a Magnavox decoder for WOWO (before the Sony SRF-A100 and -A1 were available) - but I remember it had some low bass burps in it and a big inductor I had to keep messing with. Didn't work that well. I also built on a protoboard a decent Harris decoder with the MC13020P chip and 2 other chips to listen to CKLW. Also, "Dick Smith Electronics" from Australia offered an AM STEREO Adapter KIT ! Did anybody else build one of these? I did - decoded BOTH Harris AND C-Quam! I think I sent it off to Chris Cuff along with my LM1981 chip back when he was in the decoder business to see what he could cook-up. Ahhh, those fun days of being single and working on circuit boards / protoboards all weekend until something worked right. John From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 08:46:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42458 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2008 15:46:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2008 15:46:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2008 15:46:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.145] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 15:46:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t8.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 15:46:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 15:46:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:46:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.21.45 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=qYwFrnGiI8QzxA9BFXTiMHcHkVJQx3mWEAqEZ2EbDkV2RK8i X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding wrote: > > Highly Destructive. I would say that- Even though I now have an HD radio (it was cheap at $99 and I get a $50 rebate), I'd still say that. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (New owner of a Radiosophy HD100.1...) From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 12:39:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68279 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2008 19:39:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2008 19:39:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2008 19:39:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42980 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Aug 2008 19:39:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dTVQ8GcVM1mG8DEg.ydHRiIJFIBJCKkQlJTGvQvFJQRBJOwbqjPw7AYLwpzbJPDCFJ4M3n4MLWf9NB0EQQzbPMsyqDwtdfN5lDx5jn9UzcuBQSZPnbUUWMtHByW0BtOMwFQBGz4.f7g1zJ0rUyvFWq6M X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:39:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:39:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <45414.42682.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=KsETHeieLO2EYG68cCLdiKiH9uKeGd3XzuWpElkeuWEX_g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 RDS was included in the Magnavox PMX system. The 5 Hz. FM pilot tone could be moved around slightly to carry slow data. As far as I know, neither WOWO or any of the other PMX stations ever used it, though, as no commercial receiver had the RDS built in at the time. G --- On Thu, 8/28/08, RJSKADL wrote: > From: RJSKADL > Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 1:01 AM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" > > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. > Way III" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > All though it isn't real easy to in an > purchase a radio with HD > it ; > > of SCA you had to go have a DECENT radio modified for > SCA or get > one > > from a very specialized place. > > > > > > > I use one from http://www.radiosca.com/ , which has > travelled with > me > > for 3 years, now. Or just search on eBay for "sca > fm", and you'll > find > > some. :) > > > > (No, SCA isn't stereo-- That's an advantage of > HD2 services. And > SCA > > doesn't stand for "SubCarrier Audio", > but it might as well be, > since > > Subsidiary Communications Authorization is no longer > required to > run > > SCA services.) > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > The SCA Radios are very affordable and work quite well. I > too got > the radio from Radiosca.com and I am very pleased with it. > The > RadioSCA unit is only $29 and there is another unit on eBay > that > sells for $35. > > The biggest market around here for SCA was in New York > City. There > are a lot of ethnic offerings on SCA channels. While > receivers had > not been readily available to the general public, there > were often a > lot of sidewalk vendors in the neighborhoods that these SCA > stations > targeted that would sell the special receivers. They would > also > sell them in shops in the target neighborhoods, and also > avertise > them in print publications for the target community. Now > with > RadioSCA.com and eBay it is much easier to find and buy an > SCA > capable radio. > > There are no real SCA offerings here on Long Island but > there are a > lot coming out of New York City. Most are all foreign > language. > One of our local Long Island AM stations broadcasts the > Chineese > Radio Network from 6am to 6pm. They get their feed from I > believe > the 67kHz subcarrier of the ever popular 101.1 CBS-FM. SCA > is > compatible with HD. > > Some stations also use SCA for telemetry. One of our big > stations > uses subcarriers to control and monitor the transmitter. > They use > one above 100kHz on the STL to send data to the transmitter > and get > data back from the transmitter on 92kHz. You can hear the > digital > data return signal on the SCA radio. > > Another station I used to work for used the SCA equipment > for remote > broadcasts. They fed the SCA generator with audio from the > cue > channel on the studio console so that the studio operator > could > communicate with the talent at the remote site. This was > just > before the days when everyone had a cell phone. The > technique > worked quite well. > > I never understood why SCA didn't catch on and I think > its > interesting that broadcasters seem eager to jump on the HD2 > > bandwagon while they could have been doing the same thing > all along > with SCA. > > As for HD2 having the advantage of being stereo, yes it > does, but at > a cost. I will say that I think HD FM sounds pretty good. > However, > most stations run an HD2 channel which translates into > lower > bitrates as some of that valuable bandwidth has to go > toward the > additional audio stream. The result is degraded audio on > the main > HD channel and even worse degredation on the HD2. Some > stations run > the exact same program on the HD2 as they do on the HD main > > channel. I say, if you don't have anything to put on > your HD2, or > if its just a part time program stream, then shut it off > when its > not being used. It will make the HD main sound much > better. The HD > stations that dont run HD2s sound much better than the ones > that do. > > HD3. There was a station in Indianapolis that ran an HD3. > They > gave up about a year ago. They moved their classic hits > format from > the main channel to the HD2, and moved the oldies format > from the > HD2 to the main analog and HD channel. They did away with > the HD3. > > WNYC does HD3 as well. I'm not sure why. They run > WNYC FM on the > HD main and the HD2. The HD3 runs the simulcast of WNYC > AM. The > other HD station that has an HD3 is WPLJ. The difference > is I > believe both the HD2 and HD3 are mono. That means there > should be > about enough bandwidth for the Main HD as if they were > running one > stereo HD2. > > Closing thought...Oddly enough, I think that due to lousy > market > saturation and lack of consumer interest, there are > probably more > people listening to the niche ethnic broadcasts on the SCA > channels > than there are people listening to the HD2 channels. > > Now for some real fun dialogue... > > How about AM RDS? I understand from some old FCC document > I subled > across way back when that RDS was supposed to have been > designed for > AM but a system was never developed and thus only the FM > system was > approved. What could be done to make an RDS system for AM > that > would still be compatible with cQuam and therefore could be > employed > worldwide??? From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 15:18:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60456 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2008 22:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2008 22:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.134) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2008 22:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.144] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 22:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t6.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 22:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2008 22:18:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:18:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <45414.42682.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.21.45 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=pmpW4zTSGABprJ-RCD05i54DM9ODPRNKpl3VvozHVS8W0pUE X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > RDS was included in the Magnavox PMX system. The 5 Hz. FM pilot tone could be moved around slightly to carry slow data. As far as I know, neither WOWO or any of the other PMX stations ever used it, though, as no commercial receiver had the RDS built in at the time.=20=20=20 Considering RDS itself wasn't even introduced until the late '80s after decades of promising such service... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Aug 28 17:12:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6400 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 00:12:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 00:12:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 00:12:20 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.120] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080828191147102279000010.0) with SMTP id <20080828191147102279000010> for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:11:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008a01c9096c$8589fa60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20080828053534.4AFCB47808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:11:47 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=5wBuoaiQanoNzG9wLerigBwWpASOT02zDdLxYgtPS-xlg6Z0zq84 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was gonna say hell and damnation, especially on AM. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Highly Destructive. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 17:26:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82663 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 00:26:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 00:26:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.128) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 00:26:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 00:26:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 00:26:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 00:26:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:26:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <434066.38006.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.128 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.146.114.251 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: Magnavox AM Stereo Memories X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=lclHAi2qe0kwk6snydQif9YqRNFptrkyUR79yoFJDtF0tZOxuKPl X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Good evening Johnny Electron, You write: >AM RDS - I believe that the Magnavox system had a way to send=20 >some slow speed data by modulating a 5Hz tone?? >=20 >Speaking of the LM1981 - I was the proud owner of one chip - had=20 >it in a "protoboard" and made a Magnavox decoder for WOWO=20 >(before the Sony SRF-A100 and -A1 were available) - but I=20 >remember it had some low bass burps in it and a big inductor I=20 >had to keep messing with. Didn't work that well. >=20 >I also built on a protoboard a decent Harris decoder with the >MC13020P chip and 2 other chips to listen to CKLW.=20=20 >=20 >Also, "Dick Smith Electronics" from Australia offered an AM STEREO >Adapter KIT ! Did anybody else build one of these? I did -=20 >decoded BOTH Harris AND C-Quam! I think I sent it off to Chris=20 >Cuff along with my LM1981 chip back when he was in the decoder=20 >business to see what he could cook-up. >=20 >Ahhh, those fun days of being single and working on circuit=20 >boards / protoboards all weekend until something worked right. Speaking of Magnavox, how would you like to read the Popular Electronics article from August 1980?=20 "AM Stereo Wins FCC Approval."=20 http://meduci.com/AM_Stereo_Wins_Approval.pdf=20 Sincerely, meduci, LLC http://meduci.com From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 17:58:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57622 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 00:58:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 00:58:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 00:58:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1951 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2008 00:58:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BzlfCpIVM1mVhlCVFqz9ZKoylSHx.x4eZl_VVyAyNfdR53YkqwNrVow7jMyDo_aSPmz7dm5EMR48OJV.T6DRoo_LG2kIcHCCBi1mIX7bbxgMsYvpG.88r4dM.gibyQmpC5jggyTYtcZJ90OqSKptGAjT X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:58:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:58:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <869829.1077.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Magnavox AM Stereo Memories X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=w-E1h2hkK2aZ0_Aa8htFt-r3LqehVLrtJkoleAZdVoldAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 THANK YOU!!! What a blast from the past, I remember reading that when it came out. (Yeah, I'm old!) I'd give my remaining teeth to get my hands on that prototype receiver in the picture! George --- On Thu, 8/28/08, jeffdeck2001 wrote: > From: jeffdeck2001 > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Magnavox AM Stereo Memories > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 8:26 PM > Good evening Johnny Electron, > > You write: > >AM RDS - I believe that the Magnavox system had a way > to send > >some slow speed data by modulating a 5Hz tone?? > > > >Speaking of the LM1981 - I was the proud owner of one > chip - had > >it in a "protoboard" and made a Magnavox > decoder for WOWO > >(before the Sony SRF-A100 and -A1 were available) - but > I > >remember it had some low bass burps in it and a big > inductor I > >had to keep messing with. Didn't work that well. > > > >I also built on a protoboard a decent Harris decoder > with the > >MC13020P chip and 2 other chips to listen to CKLW. > > > >Also, "Dick Smith Electronics" from Australia > offered an AM STEREO > >Adapter KIT ! Did anybody else build one of these? I > did - > >decoded BOTH Harris AND C-Quam! I think I sent it off > to Chris > >Cuff along with my LM1981 chip back when he was in the > decoder > >business to see what he could cook-up. > > > >Ahhh, those fun days of being single and working on > circuit > >boards / protoboards all weekend until something worked > right. > > Speaking of Magnavox, how would you like to read the > Popular Electronics article from August 1980? > "AM Stereo Wins FCC Approval." > > http://meduci.com/AM_Stereo_Wins_Approval.pdf > > Sincerely, > meduci, LLC > > http://meduci.com From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 17:59:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6710 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 00:59:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 00:59:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 00:59:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 85417 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2008 00:59:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: btpNaYYVM1ldxV61QHpcah5WndGVoFxIE2faJ71THAwXUxT3oCXhFMiT33XLcbZSoTRsHRkXTqW8fXYhvjmqzKzbyl033YznJR.9gTXnU56SVpmk_GkcpjnDnFXzxXtkdrJfKDCFWq5627DHexIiBWyP X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:59:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:59:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <39605.85348.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=ofyNMmvkEiAB7caRRWjLhJQE0IjjEe1fdBklGRl8KPA24g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yeah, what took so long? G --- On Thu, 8/28/08, Amy Mousie wrote: > From: Amy Mousie > Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 6:18 PM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > wrote: > > > > RDS was included in the Magnavox PMX system. The 5 > Hz. FM pilot > tone could be moved around slightly to carry slow data. As > far as I > know, neither WOWO or any of the other PMX stations ever > used it, > though, as no commercial receiver had the RDS built in at > the time. > > Considering RDS itself wasn't even introduced until the > late '80s > after decades of promising such service... > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 18:36:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2643 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 01:36:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 01:36:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 01:36:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30125 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2008 01:36:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MmBeWwEVM1mNyRWn3E8PkCY9E8EXnj5DFktwSJZy5m.B84V7V1eNmpiqWPlUPXEQMBmnJLRBNcLuQosUJxxjDQQuT9.ai64VjV75ZP1bb3Hf0KaVc_85pJkuKweE9l6j_ZuAN9gmjaq723uFnXA_cWA- X-Received: from [64.222.40.250] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:36:00 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:36:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <007901c908a3$ec837760$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <779499.29476.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations: A WALE of a tale! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=VILkDkACNnOZ4Fijn1ZXcyj7ng941NdJUKiHKQKHg-dMvOz9ei1G X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I used to be gung-ho for pirate stations.=A0 Now I find them to be pests.= =A0 Plus knowing this guy is relaying G.C.N. makes me like him even less.= =A0 I hated dealing with G.C.N. when I was a P.D.!=A0 We carried no shows o= f theirs nor would we.=A0 We kept on telling them that another station, WAR= L, was too close to us & market exclusivity & all that.=A0 Yes, we the radi= o station were telling the network that we couldn't take a show due to anot= her station's market exclusivity!=A0 Then, I wanted them to send us a Clear= Channel receiver to which they replied "don't you have an A.B.C.?"=A0 I re= plied that we do but that was the deal: no C.C. Starguide, no G.C.N..=A0 It= was a bluff anyway!=A0 We never did get that Starguide. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Wed, 8/27/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrot= e: From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: Truly bad radio stations: A WALE of a tale! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 8:15 PM =20=20=20=20 I'm thinking he may have gotten busted at least once before. T= his station was off the air for several months. Don't think he's running q= uite as much power now, though. Could hear it on a good car radio just to = the east side of Cambridge before, but now it hardly makes it 1/3 of the wa= y. It also helps that he's an hour north of the metro area whereas Beat Ra= dio was receivable at the FCC monitoring station just north of downtown St.= Paul. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JNR=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 9:28 PM If there was ever a time for an F.C.C. raid! Hey, if they could nail Beat= Radio 97.7 back in the '90s, why not this now?! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rjskadl@yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 19:02:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42955 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 02:02:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 02:02:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 02:02:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 02:02:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 02:02:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 02:02:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:02:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <434066.38006.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.195.112.206 From: "RJSKADL" Subject: Re: Magnavox AM Stereo trick C-Quam radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919; y=K3gdYDWn6S-dscY5MlIKHSdq_TM9E-r5KN5JfYWX4XLWnA X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl Someone posted a few days ago that WOWO apparently used to run the=20 Magnavox system with a 25 Hz pilot tone injected which would trick C- Quam receivers into kicking in. This does work in practice. Jerry=20 WA2FNQ employs this method on his part 15 AM station. He uses a tone=20 generator for the 25 Hz pilot and uses phase modulation for the L-R=20 which more resembles the Magnavox System than the C-Quam system. He=20 explained it to me once how it worked. He said basically that C-Quam=20 is a lot like the Magnavox system, but the phase modulated signal is=20 locked at quadrature, that plus a few other tricks to help clean=20 things up a bit. But from my understanding the Magnavox, C-Quam,=20 Harris and Belar systems were all pretty much fundamentally similar=20 with some variations. The only system to take an entirely different=20 approach was our good ol' buddy Lenny Kahn. From rjskadl@yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 19:05:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjskadl@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2642 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 02:05:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 02:05:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.121) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 02:05:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 02:05:36 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 02:05:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 02:05:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:05:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.121 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.195.112.206 From: "RJSKADL" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels (AM RDS) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=29619919; y=FjB2u1aM5CPVO7BjAS7Q_j5KQ-VmyDvwuD_mWfk-JCqnNg X-Yahoo-Profile: rjskadl --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "RJSKADL" wrote: > > What could be done to make an RDS system for AM that=20 > > would still be compatible with cQuam and therefore could be=20 employed=20 > > worldwide??? >=20 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation_signalling_system >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ Interesting. Anyone know how it works? I'd assume if it works with=20 DRM it would also be compatible with C-Quam and Ibiquity's HD system. From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 20:48:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3998 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 03:48:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 03:48:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 03:48:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 03:48:52 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 03:48:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 03:48:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:48:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39605.85348.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.21.45 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=OzYvOSTUUM8lrH_ACUWFz_4Tw7xMg2d_Y52EpFgzYzTB-4im X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Yeah, what took so long? G Dunno- I have a book from the _1950s_ that mentions data (and subscription!) services on FM.... And yet, today, there are very few non-auto tuners that have RDS- Some high-end ones, and of course, IBOC receivers... And even then, there are fewer car radios with RDS than there are with AMS. (I own two RDS-capable receivers...) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 21:11:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1563 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 04:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 04:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.178) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 04:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 04:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 04:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 04:11:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:11:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.21.45 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Magnavox AM Stereo trick C-Quam radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=RaYxnE32jzhUQebjzKXQsTym6fv-_C9e9rygceFpTWyqCJtq X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "RJSKADL" wrote: > >=20 > Someone posted a few days ago that WOWO apparently used to run the=20 > Magnavox system with a 25 Hz pilot tone injected which would trick C- > Quam receivers into kicking in. This does work in practice. Jerry=20 > WA2FNQ employs this method on his part 15 AM station. He uses a tone=20 > generator for the 25 Hz pilot and uses phase modulation for the L-R=20 > which more resembles the Magnavox System than the C-Quam system. He=20 > explained it to me once how it worked. He said basically that C-Quam=20 > is a lot like the Magnavox system, but the phase modulated signal is=20 > locked at quadrature, that plus a few other tricks to help clean=20 > things up a bit. But from my understanding the Magnavox, C-Quam,=20 > Harris and Belar systems were all pretty much fundamentally similar=20 > with some variations. The only system to take an entirely different=20 > approach was our good ol' buddy Lenny Kahn. > *snerk* Right.... Well, let's see... Let's start with Kahn's ISB, shall we? The (L-R) is phase-modulated with inverse-polarity audio, in quadrature to the (L+R) AM. Inverting the audio allows the PM sidebands to cancel out the AM sidebands in such a way as to have true ISB stereo (LSB=3DLeft, USB=3DRight). RCA/Belar's system used FM (not PM) for the (L-R), at a 320Hz nominal deviation with audio out to 6kHz. Harris' VCPM was closer to C-QUAM- both are QAM systems- except the actual phase in its original configuration was variable, rather than a fixed quadrature, and was steered by a variable pilot tone from, if I recall, 10Hz-50Hz. It was eventually fixed to the C-QUAM standard (fixed quadrature AM, pilot @ 25Hz) with relatively little modification. Magnavox's PMX system used phase modulation, rather than amplitude modylation, which gives somewhat different sidebands, and thus some distortion, than what true QAM can do. However, all AM sidebands also produce PM, but the phase is different from AM than it is for PM. There IS some measure of mutual intelligibility between all the systems, to various degrees of compatibility, which is why the "Swiss Army knife" approach that the Sony SRF-A100 and 'A1 was able to handle them all, requiring only a switch and extra circuit to switch over to ISB. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 21:17:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38199 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 04:17:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 04:17:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.167) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 04:17:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 04:17:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 04:17:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 04:17:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:17:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.167 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.21.45 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels (AM RDS) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=uZUBQ0YbFmsbErbahn-H4DELGlyW5VKv3hTACls3VyprZRrm X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "RJSKADL" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "RJSKADL" wrote: > > > What could be done to make an RDS system for AM that=20 > > > would still be compatible with cQuam and therefore could be=20 > employed=20 > > > worldwide??? > >=20 > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation_signalling_system > >=20 > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ >=20 > Interesting. Anyone know how it works? I'd assume if it works with=20 > DRM it would also be compatible with C-Quam and Ibiquity's HD system. By design, it can work with C-QUAM (it doesn't interfere with either the pilot tome or Q signal), but would probably not work with IBOC, which has its own. As far as I know, only the BBC and a couple other European broadcasters have used AMSS- Supposedly, Radio Australia has used it, too. I've never seen it in operation, though. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Who has a DRM receiver with AMSS capability...) From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 00:54:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44321 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 07:54:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 07:54:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.247) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 07:54:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 07:54:16 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 07:54:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 07:54:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:54:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.90 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=AmW3CzcuQ1lSM_yeYPEKGM6nuR-bgXe3MqI36c4mLkMlGeetLA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > In a typical QAM signal (like C-QUAM or ISB), you don't have just 2 > sidebands- You have 4! It's trickier to modulate each of the 4 > sidebands, but it can be done. The resulting signal is=20 incompatible to > ordinary QAM or ISB reception, and wreaks havoc on ordinary mono=20 radios. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > Yes, we have 4 sidebands. But I don't think about to use it=20 directly. Do you know if somebody tested it inside the C-QUAM=20 encoder? I mean: one ISB mod to the "I" mod and another to the "Q"=20 mod. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 01:03:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8311 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 08:03:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 08:03:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.124) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 08:03:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 08:03:11 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 08:03:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 08:03:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:03:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.90 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=E6aTibD_t7DdaWoa464ZQYmGiBRzRgSFiGxCnZH3_OxO6unOSw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > > Highly Destructive. >=20 >=20 > On Aug 28, 2008, at 12:35 AM, Joseph Rouse wrote: >=20 > > Of course we all know what HD stands for... > > > > I'm not sure. Is it Hash Distribution or Hardly Discernible? > AMEN!!! A little question: WHY FCC NEVER LET MORE THAN 10 KHZ ANALOG AUDIO BANDWIDTH,=20 YESTERDAY, AND NOW THEY LET 15 KHZ OF DIGITAL... SH... Oops, sorry,=20 I wanted to say "NOISE"? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 01:16:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36510 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 08:16:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 08:16:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.244) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 08:16:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n27.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 08:16:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 08:16:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 08:16:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:16:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.90 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} HD subchannels (AM RDS) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=R9T2TrE4bCg38MPJ0lu69YO99leVNz8k4MgZt3FK7dnJvakxAg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "RJSKADL" wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "RJSKADL" =20 wrote: > > > > What could be done to make an RDS system for AM that=20 > > > > would still be compatible with cQuam and therefore could be=20 > > employed=20 > > > > worldwide??? > > >=20 > > >=20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation_signalling_system > > >=20 > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > >=20 > > Interesting. Anyone know how it works? I'd assume if it works=20 with=20 > > DRM it would also be compatible with C-Quam and Ibiquity's HD=20 system. >=20 > By design, it can work with C-QUAM (it doesn't interfere with=20 either > the pilot tome or Q signal), but would probably not work with IBOC, > which has its own. >=20 > As far as I know, only the BBC and a couple other European > broadcasters have used AMSS- Supposedly, Radio Australia has used=20 it, > too. I've never seen it in operation, though. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (Who has a DRM receiver with AMSS capability...) > Which RDS carrier frecuency is using to the AM RDS? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 06:49:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92564 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 13:49:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 13:49:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 13:49:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 75618 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2008 13:49:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SlZ_ua4VM1mOui8wEXMNf2_ByJcnXxWHcfwXKJqEbMNx3VEUw.ZAdBgJOgrD1OynvI0m72KChKgOok8ZD5dpOOKbp4eaPHjjHqenE2_pLVKVTy8bVMqbQgunaSFgGw-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:49:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:49:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <298795.75156.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=S72xZB8ZOFdi4hzMSd7VCnvgLKo8R_AgNbYhTbIYYszNBbj-86oqmq4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio HD = Huge Disappointment From wa2fnq@optonline.net Fri Aug 29 09:56:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29914 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 16:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 16:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.131) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 16:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 16:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 16:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 16:55:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:55:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Magnavox AM Stereo trick C-Quam radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=v3fG3Fv5TQE9yijofxwP_Npbn6AnIAnbFJoomwkler5j X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq I do this on 75 meters too. Audio samples are on my web site at: http://www.wa2fnq.com Jerry WA2FNQ=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "RJSKADL" wrote: Jerry=20 > > WA2FNQ employs this method on his part 15 AM station. He uses a=20 tone=20 > > generator for the 25 Hz pilot and uses phase modulation for the L- R=20 > > which more resembles the Magnavox System than the C-Quam system.=20 From wa2fnq@optonline.net Fri Aug 29 10:04:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93171 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 17:04:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 17:04:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.142) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 17:04:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 17:04:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 17:04:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 17:04:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:04:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <434066.38006.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Magnavox AM Stereo Memories X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=pIR4Q8xkMPLR1VF6sI1rzOb9BEFMnVx1cwQ1NU7wU-Wz X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq HA!! So did I. I put the LM1981 detector at the end of the I.F. of an=20 old tube tuner. It actually worked well. WNBC AM was running Kahn at=20 the time and as you would expect didn't decode right. I was listening=20 to it one day when a friend walked in. The effect was enough to fool=20 him at first. Then I pointed out there was no descrete left or right. I still have the thing but something died in the tuner. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." >=20 > Speaking of the LM1981 - I was the proud owner of one chip - had it=20 in a "protoboard" and made a Magnavox decoder for WOWO (before the=20 Sony SRF-A100 and -A1 were available) - but I remember it had some low=20 bass burps in it and a big inductor I had to keep messing with.=20=20 Didn't work that well. >=20 From jmrouse@mail.com Fri Aug 29 12:35:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29128 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 19:35:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 19:35:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 19:35:39 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id DEC88180013B for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:35:39 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.70) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Aug 2008 19:35:21 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D860532675A; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:35:39 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:35:39 -0500 X-Received: from [71.185.16.22] by ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:35:39 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20080829193539.D860532675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Magnavox AM Stereo trick C-Quam radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=lTvf43aAxgNX45AoL4kcRwAriHYMto_v10b3F4GLY5rBVVg0hwxC X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 I do this on 75 meters too. Audio samples are on my web site at: http://www.wa2fnq.com Jerry WA2FNQ Jerry, Thanks for the invite! Cool website. I did check it out & the separation was quite good. I especially liked the= "reverbed" station ID. Your transmitter sounds AMazing! I listened to the sample 3 or 4 times. (= Of course my unrequited yet undying love for Lesley Gore might have had som= ething to do with that.) I checked out the receptor IBOC FM samples as well. Reminded me of the old= days of trying to listen to streaming audio over dial-up. ----- Original Message ----- From: wa2fnq=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Magnavox AM Stereo trick C-Quam radio Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:55:57 -0000 I do this on 75 meters too. Audio samples are on my web site at: http://www.wa2fnq.com Jerry WA2FNQ > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "RJSKADL" wrote: Jerry > > WA2FNQ employs this method on his part 15 AM station. He uses a tone > > generator for the 25 Hz pilot and uses phase modulation for the L- R > > which more resembles the Magnavox System than the C-Quam system. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links --=20 Nothing says Labor Day like 500hp of American muscle Visit OnCars.com today. From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 16:34:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95961 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2008 23:34:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2008 23:34:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.183) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 23:34:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 23:34:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 23:34:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2008 23:34:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:34:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.21.45 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Magnavox AM Stereo trick C-Quam radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Rfp0Sk1yEqwaKAV-_O1KQI6ejsUSPenKpxBPdDIFylcnFPUO X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > I do this on 75 meters too. Audio samples are on my web site at: >=20 > http://www.wa2fnq.com >=20 > Jerry WA2FNQ=20 This is why I'd like to see a two-band AMS radio- The second band being the 80/75m shortwave, especially from 3500-5000 (or 2500-4000), to include at least one of the time stations. Why? Well, there are several hams with AMS, mostly on the US Northeast. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From wa2fnq@optonline.net Fri Aug 29 20:34:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69296 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2008 03:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2008 03:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.186) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2008 03:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2008 03:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2008 03:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2008 03:34:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 03:34:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Magnavox AM Stereo trick C-Quam radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=7gWFySqfAnbVbeYo3MDdMOiy0uxpxvRU8QDL7jNahRkF X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Me too. And while we're at it there wouldn't be much of a problem to=20 extend the AM broadcast band a bit more to cover 160 meters. It's going to be interesting to see what comes of software defined=20 radios. One of the local Hams has one and it actually sounds decent on=20 SSB. Getting it to do what you want to do is a software re-write... if=20 you know how ro do it. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "wa2fnq" wrote: > > > > I do this on 75 meters too. Audio samples are on my web site at: > >=20 > > http://www.wa2fnq.com > >=20 > > Jerry WA2FNQ=20 >=20 > This is why I'd like to see a two-band AMS radio- The second band > being the 80/75m shortwave, especially from 3500-5000 (or 2500-4000), > to include at least one of the time stations. Why? Well, there are > several hams with AMS, mostly on the US Northeast. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From wa2fnq@optonline.net Fri Aug 29 21:40:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62216 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2008 04:40:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2008 04:40:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.166) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2008 04:40:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2008 04:40:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2008 04:40:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2008 04:40:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:40:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080829193539.D860532675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Magnavox AM Stereo trick C-Quam radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=wgbJeiMVgDaJXs3u8qbynStAIePmZx_G8a_YL-urWW-X X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Thanks for the compliments on the audio. These recordings were=20 actually made before I re balanced my modulator tubes. That got the=20 distortion down a bit more. The AM stereo was an add on. It took a bit of fiddling around to get=20 it where it is but it does work. It also works equally as well=20 through my homebrew 4-400 transmitter... which I'll get back on the=20 air someday. I like the Lesley Gore recording too. The IBOC samples speak for themselves. The real problem (at least around here on FM) is everyone is in love=20 with what they can do with their digital audio processors. It seems=20 it's more important to be louder than the next guy than to be clean. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Rouse" =20 wrote: > > I do this on 75 meters too. Audio samples are on my web site at: >=20 > http://www.wa2fnq.com >=20 > Jerry WA2FNQ >=20 > Jerry, > Thanks for the invite! Cool website. >=20 > I did check it out & the separation was quite good. I especially=20 liked the "reverbed" station ID. >=20 > Your transmitter sounds AMazing! I listened to the sample 3 or 4=20 times. (Of course my unrequited yet undying love for Lesley Gore=20 might have had something to do with that.) >=20 > I checked out the receptor IBOC FM samples as well. Reminded me=20 of the old days of trying to listen to streaming audio over dial-up. >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: wa2fnq=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Magnavox AM Stereo trick C-Quam radio > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:55:57 -0000 >=20 >=20 > I do this on 75 meters too. Audio samples are on my web site at: >=20 > http://www.wa2fnq.com >=20 > Jerry WA2FNQ >=20 > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "RJSKADL" wrote: > Jerry > > > WA2FNQ employs this method on his part 15 AM station. He uses a > tone > > > generator for the 25 Hz pilot and uses phase modulation for=20 the L- > R > > > which more resembles the Magnavox System than the C-Quam=20 system. >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Nothing says Labor Day like 500hp of American muscle > Visit OnCars.com today. > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 00:04:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29283 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2008 07:04:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2008 07:04:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.115) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2008 07:04:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2008 07:04:50 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2008 07:04:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2008 07:04:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:04:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.67 From: "jotape1960" Subject: C-QUAM Decoder Chip Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=o2XKkFH68Kz1jJxIcU-cXYCWosb9720z5X8DQcbRUHKi7y_EJw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wanna know if somebody can "illuminate" me about the performance=20 of the current C-QUAM decoder chips. All the models I've found in the web have a "less than perfect"=20 stereo separation below the 200 Hz. Is it a chip poor design=20 problem? or Is it a C-QUAM inherent problem? Also, the distortion parameter is very high in the low frecuencies.=20 The same question: Is it a chip design issue? or Is it inherent to=20 the C-QUAM system? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From ex-engineer@hotmail.com Sat Aug 30 00:12:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ex-engineer@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88332 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2008 07:12:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2008 07:12:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.215) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2008 07:12:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2008 07:12:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2008 07:12:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2008 07:12:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:12:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <298795.75156.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 218.214.129.136 From: "quadcom38" Subject: Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=340039075; y=mz6TlYHHcb_OPKiYBn4E4FSB8Fj68rK7mOBAth8GdYEbxEpp X-Yahoo-Profile: quadcom38 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > HD =3D Huge Disappointment > I've been following this thread with great interest. Here Downunder, with the introduction of AM Stereo in the mid 80's, we had the best of all worlds - a government mandated frequency allocation of MW assignments to prevent daytime co & adj channel interference, AM stations that could broadcast >10KHz audio bandwidth, and the remnants of a once-proud local manufacturing industry which made damn good AM radios, especially car radios. We also had a thriving do-it-yourself market which was supported by three locally produced magazines (Electronics Australia, Silicon Chip, and Australian Electronics Monthly) - all of these mags published roll-your-own AM stereo decoders; I think it was AEM which published a switchable Kahn/CQuam/Hazeltine unit. At that time I was briefly associated with 3MP on 1380KHz. This station's baseband exceeded 20KHz and not surprisingly, given the above, it received complaints from stations on 1350 KHz (3GL Geelong) 1420KHz (3XY Melbourne) that their sidebands were interfering with some listener's reception! Gee, better make sure we increase receiver selectivity... at the expense of fidelity. I guess what I'm saying is that when CQUAM came, then with a "decent" receiver (by decent I mean a receiver with adjustable bandpass IF tuning and a tuned RF stage) AM radio could - and damn well did! - sound terrific. Sure, storms caused a bit of static (as did the Melbourne trams, which still do...) but it was about then that the Government told AM stations to go to 9KHz spacing. I can't be sure but it was about the same time that limits were imposed on the audio baseband; 7KHz became the upper limit. So 3MP became "Bay City Radio - Stereo 1377". I'll never forget that first time I heard the stereo; it was subjectively as good as FM sound. But - somehow it never caught on. People didn't seem to care about AM stereo, the stations themselves didn't push it, and imported receivers were scarce and expensive, so it just died. One by one the AM stations turned off their CQUAM broadcasts, which of course disadvantaged those who had made an investment in AMS by purchasing a receiver. As of today Aug 30 2008, there are probably only 3 stations still broadcasting in CQUAM - probably. I say probably because it's still daylight and I can't confirm this: 2CA 1053 Canberra, 2CC 1210 Canberra, and 4GR 864 Toowoomba. What hurts is this - I've watched the demise of local initiative and manufacturing resulting in pathetically poor quality imported AM radios; I've watched the concentration of media ownership resulting in too much automation and relaying, and I've seen and heard the abysmal transmitted sound quality of some of these networked stations. And I've seen the demise of AMS. So Sad. (Another great 60's song by the Everley Brothers you only hear nowadays on AM!) But hey - we're getting digital radio next year, yes, it's official. But from my experience with AMS, I'm not sure it's going to be an immediate runaway success, especially as the Government has not set any dates for existing AM/FM services to cease. We live in interesting times... Regards Ex-Engineer From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Aug 30 09:03:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30767 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2008 16:03:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2008 16:03:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2008 16:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.bcb.34478b5a (29673) for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:03:34 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM Decoder Chip Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=JaeumulhMB2jt7mQNFagZTimeiICGaa5LUAjcMpnPW4jUkx6oyYvvKG1aJP5d77J X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, To be honest, I am not certain how commericial AMS chips work. On the transmitter end, my design can do steady state on the low end. In the modulation domain, that's DC. Distortion should be about the same throughout the spectrum although I have not been able to measure it as it is below the system noise caused by quantitization error. So the limited low frequency performance is not inherent in creation of the C-Quam signal. On the receiving end, there is a consideration when it comes to low frequencies. The phase lock loop which detects the carrier phase. So it has to be fast enough to track shifts in the carrier phase due to propagation, while at the same time slow enough not to be effected by the normal audio phase modulation. That limits how low the audio frequencies can be. I have Denon 680 NAB. It's low frequency response fall like a rock below 50 hertz. Although I have no doubt it was deliberately designed that way, I am not sure of the reason. Perhaps the 25 hertz pilot frequency? Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 18:04:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37669 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2008 01:04:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2008 01:04:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.125) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2008 01:04:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 01:04:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 01:04:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 01:04:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 01:04:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.125 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.79 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM Decoder Chip Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=9TdWHPfGtfbtEQjCVGhoCLUH5MkBnEezMEN1xuouKSivBEJ1yg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > To be honest, I am not certain how commericial AMS chips work. On=20 the=20 > transmitter end, my design can do steady state on the low end. In=20 the modulation=20 > domain, that's DC. Distortion should be about the same throughout=20 the spectrum=20 > although I have not been able to measure it as it is below the=20 system noise=20 > caused by quantitization error. So the limited low frequency=20 performance is not=20 > inherent in creation of the C-Quam signal. >=20 > On the receiving end, there is a consideration when it comes to=20 low=20 > frequencies. The phase lock loop which detects the carrier=20 phase. So it has to be=20 > fast enough to track shifts in the carrier phase due to=20 propagation, while at the=20 > same time slow enough not to be effected by the normal audio phase=20 > modulation. That limits how low the audio frequencies can be.=20=20=20 >=20 > I have Denon 680 NAB. It's low frequency response fall like a=20 rock below 50=20 > hertz. Although I have no doubt it was deliberately designed that=20 way, I am=20 > not sure of the reason. Perhaps the 25 hertz pilot frequency? >=20 > Mike >=20 My Philips DC888 AM Stereo car tuner, sounds so great at low end,=20 and at high end too!!! Unfortunately, I don't have AM Stereo=20 stations near me. But it's so rare to me why the stereo separation must be bad in the=20 low end. I don't see a C-QUAM technical reason (except by the=20 platform motion). I want to know if ISB has the same problem. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 23:03:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66474 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2008 06:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2008 06:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.147) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2008 06:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 06:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 06:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 06:03:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:03:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.113 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=TiAuJD7IiSVdcXwwaihGfh5xOpFWkRLhwk9bbsPI-2PJiYVUKw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "quadcom38" =20 wrote: > >=20 > So Sad. (Another great 60's song by the Everley Brothers you only=20 hear > nowadays on AM!) But hey - we're getting digital radio next year,=20 yes, > it's official. But from my experience with AMS, I'm not sure it's=20 going > to be an immediate runaway success, especially as the Government=20 has not > set any dates for existing AM/FM services to cease. We live in > interesting times... >=20 > Regards >=20 > Ex-Engineer > Hi!!! Did you mean the Australian government is thinking to have ONLY=20 digital audio, soon? It is the first time I heard something like this. I hope it isn't=20 the "standard" orientation in other parts of the world. It seems=20 like a radio tiranny to me. Too much money from Ibiquity, maybe? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From ke7ief@aol.com Sat Aug 30 23:20:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72787 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2008 06:20:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2008 06:20:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2008 06:20:44 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.cbd.2e285a99 (34956) for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:20:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hanksmithPC (s10.trico.az.wi-power.com [198.36.144.10]) by cia-da06.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA065-888c48ba382f280; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:20:32 -0400 Message-ID: <168BEE6F3E5147C696CE02EB41A71E14@hanksmithPC> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:20:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-AOL-IP: 198.36.144.10 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=8lTqnDznLNRZAkXrzJi1ow-vByC0eGwfYIOh3vM8gbAg_NU5qEyR X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable are you getting drm or iboc? heard drm is better Hank ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:03 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "quadcom38" =20 wrote: > >=20 > So Sad. (Another great 60's song by the Everley Brothers you only=20 hear > nowadays on AM!) But hey - we're getting digital radio next year,=20 yes, > it's official. But from my experience with AMS, I'm not sure it's=20 going > to be an immediate runaway success, especially as the Government=20 has not > set any dates for existing AM/FM services to cease. We live in > interesting times... >=20 > Regards >=20 > Ex-Engineer > Hi!!! Did you mean the Australian government is thinking to have ONLY=20 digital audio, soon? It is the first time I heard something like this. I hope it isn't=20 the "standard" orientation in other parts of the world. It seems=20 like a radio tiranny to me. Too much money from Ibiquity, maybe? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 23:38:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6891 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2008 06:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2008 06:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.127) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2008 06:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 06:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 06:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 06:38:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:38:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <168BEE6F3E5147C696CE02EB41A71E14@hanksmithPC> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.113 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=SyNakVJjbxLiW7aCuAxW7KhlbmiEzsOCR7uW2ho4DFNIZnSc2w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" =20 wrote: > > are you getting drm or iboc? > heard drm is better > Hank > ----- Original Message -----=20 I have to recognize I don't know nothing about DRM (or maybe I=20 should write: "I know nothing about DRM" ??? I have this language=20 doubt). But I guess it has to use some kind of data compression because it=20 is absolutely impossible to put 44100 samples per second, 16 bits=20 per sample, two channels, in other words 192 kbps, in the 10 kHz AM=20 audio bandwidth directly. So... everybody knows the data compression=20 isn't a real "High Fidelity" audio. The samples I've heard from the web are... a poor class audio. But=20 I'm not sure if it is because the source is bad or the sound files=20 are bad (too much MP3 compression, maybe?). However, the only one time I could hear a direct IBOC test it seemed=20 to me like the typical RealAudio web quality. Nothing "outstanding"=20 or near FM quality. Believe it or not, with my super car AM tuner Philips DC888, I get=20 almost the same quality than any FM station. And it is a pure analog=20 device (it plays old analog cassettes, with Dolby, hehehehe). Well, just my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From ex-engineer@hotmail.com Sun Aug 31 01:51:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ex-engineer@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16717 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2008 08:51:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2008 08:51:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.175) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2008 08:51:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 08:51:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 08:51:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 08:51:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 08:51:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 218.214.129.136 From: "quadcom38" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=340039075; y=WArL_ZtvnjGaUiFAKqwQEB9FaPSHrdxyZu1r6Wwmem5D6By9 X-Yahoo-Profile: quadcom38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the feedback. Amazingly (and probably thankfully) the Australian Government has decided NOT to follow the US's IBOC system for Digital Broadcasting downunder. Instead, they are going with the European DAB+ System. For AM, I would have preferred DRM - but then while I have post-grad degrees,I have no money - which means no influence... familiar story of course. And (sorry, I should have made it more clear in my original post) existing analogue AM/FM services will continue, at this stage indefinitely... though I imagine this "non-decision" will be subject to change, as anyone who is familar with politics will attest. For more info about Aussie digital radio , Keen readers can check out these sites: http://www.digitalradioaustralia.com.au/index.cfm?page_id=3D1001 and http://www.abc.net.au/radio/digital/ I heard DAB (not DAB+) in the UK earlier this year. My verdict: I got better sound quality from my existing analog Sony AM Stereo tuner than that which I heard in London. Sure, it was noise-free, but the sound had a compressed quality and was definitely lacking in audio bandwidth - not a patch on analogue AMS in its all-too-brief heyday. For us the critical issue will be, do the nameless unwashed give a damn anyway? Will they pay bigger bucks for a receiver which offers noise-free reception and a little screen with a digital readout telling them the latest goss about so-and-so? And as for Stereo - what's that??=20 Oldies like me might take a chance (it's still doubtful however as I've been burnt with AMS) but the young kids with their MP3 players wouldn't recognise good quality audio if it hit them right between the ears. I've spent a long time in the "old world" in AM broadcasting. I hate to see station standards eroded, broadcast quality ignored, and Greed ruin what was a great industry here downunder. All in the name of free enterprise, so it's claimed. Trouble is, government seems to make decisions favouring Big Money. Only last year the then government made it easier for Big Players to own both newspapers and multiple radio stations in the same market - this is supposed to be competitive!! Anyway, I'll step down from my soapbox and pass the baton. It's time for an aspirin and an early night. Regards Ex-Engineer --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" ke7ief@ > wrote: > > > > are you getting drm or iboc? > > heard drm is better > > Hank > > ----- Original Message ----- > > I have to recognize I don't know nothing about DRM (or maybe I > should write: "I know nothing about DRM" ??? I have this language > doubt). > > But I guess it has to use some kind of data compression because it > is absolutely impossible to put 44100 samples per second, 16 bits > per sample, two channels, in other words 192 kbps, in the 10 kHz AM > audio bandwidth directly. So... everybody knows the data compression > isn't a real "High Fidelity" audio. > > The samples I've heard from the web are... a poor class audio. But > I'm not sure if it is because the source is bad or the sound files > are bad (too much MP3 compression, maybe?). > > However, the only one time I could hear a direct IBOC test it seemed > to me like the typical RealAudio web quality. Nothing "outstanding" > or near FM quality. > > Believe it or not, with my super car AM tuner Philips DC888, I get > almost the same quality than any FM station. And it is a pure analog > device (it plays old analog cassettes, with Dolby, hehehehe). > > Well, just my humble opinion. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Aug 31 11:48:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93396 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2008 18:48:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2008 18:48:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2008 18:48:53 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.d4f.3733bca0 (41812) for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:48:49 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM Decoder Chip Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=2PPKDr8NrnNBrcunxzTk6Y7U0tqFbj7HckqAddecLaNUUz0rujXCmKEVT7ZPNRxb X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is just speculation, but seperation is highly dependent upon the phase accuracy of the quiescent carrier at the receiver. At lower audio frequencies, the loop wants to "track" the variations which means there is loop error and loop error translates into phase error. Phase error translates in seperation loss. Platform shift occurs when the loop is too slow to track the true shift in quiescent phase due to propagation, mainly skywave. Mike ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 11:57:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96810 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2008 18:57:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2008 18:57:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2008 18:57:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66300 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2008 18:57:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RCp.urgVM1lw9BhSiF7n7.llcopBmqFECZ9h4OGKGBVPYau1zr0MV3c2YHoO3yUFuhdaAKbPA5g2YxR3nWuHZFFgWN0USJTy.tWaQWh4gwkKgEp2cnAMA1XRcnxTTiaqgg-- X-Received: from [64.222.40.250] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:57:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:57:54 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <928060.65927.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Again, WJIB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=MehtKdzyn0f40F8fLTTh39yYmecMuS4IoyAl4pE4zxySSdl3VRn6 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Again, can anyone confirm if WJIB is back broadcasting in stereo or not? Thanks, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Sun Aug 31 13:54:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19402 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2008 20:54:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2008 20:54:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2008 20:54:00 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 689F5180040B for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:54:00 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.62) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 31 Aug 2008 20:53:42 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4D08211581F; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:54:00 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:54:00 -0500 X-Received: from [96.227.115.164] by ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:54:00 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20080831205400.4D08211581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=LwK0K2t5KKhiHemzJvH6OpGlj99eNj99mYtQoq56Fxhx2sB0g8ut X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Too much money from Ibiquity, maybe? I'm glad you brought that up. This is one of the things that really irks m= e about HD radio. Ibiquity's greed. From what I have heard, Ibiquity has got their hand in everyone's pot. 1)There is a $25,000 fee that a manufacturer must pay to Ibiquity before th= ey can begin making HD radios. 2)Of course the stations using HD technology must pay a steady stream of us= er fees. 3)When the FM subchannels start running ads, Ibiquity will get a cut. 4)I read in a blog somewhere that Ibiquity is working with a software compa= ny that specializes in encryption. Rumor has it that they want to make the= "channels between the channels" encrypted, so they will no longer be free.= They will become "pay for" channels. This will also obsolete all existin= g HD receivers. 5)I heard some where they even get a cut on the chipsets used to build HD r= adios. It is bad enough, that all of the classic receivers that have somehow survi= ved all these years, I have taken the time & expense of cosmetically & elec= tronically restoring may become nothing more than "lightning detectors". B= ut they are shaking everyone down to do it. I don't want to wish ill on anyone. That is not how I was raised. But sti= ll, there is a difference between making a living & extortion. I am annoyed. P.S. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong on any of the above poin= ts. Thank you. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960"=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:03:14 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "quadcom38"=20 wrote: > > > So Sad. (Another great 60's song by the Everley Brothers you only hear > nowadays on AM!) But hey - we're getting digital radio next year, yes, > it's official. But from my experience with AMS, I'm not sure it's going > to be an immediate runaway success, especially as the Government has not > set any dates for existing AM/FM services to cease. We live in > interesting times... > > Regards > > Ex-Engineer > Hi!!! Did you mean the Australian government is thinking to have ONLY digital audio, soon? It is the first time I heard something like this. I hope it isn't the "standard" orientation in other parts of the world. It seems like a radio tiranny to me. Too much money from Ibiquity, maybe? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 14:01:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77327 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2008 21:01:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2008 21:01:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.221) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2008 21:01:09 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 21:01:09 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.65] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 21:01:09 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp417.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2008 21:01:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 493097.1919.bm@omp417.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 10348 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2008 21:01:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.196.13 with plain) by smtp121.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2008 21:01:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: a7ZhDSwVM1kB4HLwBesHMsw4xdHxaTH9e_jyG_8qA7rqAWOzPSmqcdb4eBl87Djm8qWbMkbC9o13jFPJ2gd1FA.v7djZ19pufqSedIwN9wP2JjhnG1BQhJ5455Wz9JdnMg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20080831205400.4D08211581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080831205400.4D08211581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:01:07 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=1yayvvhfnWDnfWic5rFHAlWlM1iCZANDYxCzETzsDuFKBeSAjw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Aug 31, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Joseph Rouse wrote: > read in a blog somewhere that Ibiquity is working with a software > company that specializes in encryption. Rumor has it that they > want to make the "channels between the channels" encrypted, so they > will no longer be free. They will become "pay for" channels. This > will also obsolete all existing HD receivers. hahahahahaha! you finally figured it out. There is a program in the chip called Conditional Access. The station can turn your radio on or off. You will have to pay to hear programming when they implement it. Sucks. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 17:40:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87158 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2008 00:40:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2008 00:40:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 00:40:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12007 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Sep 2008 00:40:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZY6vo.wVM1k28uM8pOe6BbCVzgcuX71JqAwuE81SZ.NzRuZJskRNwVHjqhqU_LEnJF6_urb4dXt0TsMcVDhXyss1uOkzdPv0SQAdwfhNEorRRDWgG0_ZOz59dwtcPBYkc7cAkUJQO4cEYekQmpWHPxdW X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:40:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:40:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <251656.1621.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=FRTMsXU_YQSR86jdSi90e4Tsh4f9_GO2KDXVEJZagH-QKw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Glad you guys brought up this aspect of IBOC! We tend to look at the technical downsides of it, such as excessive bandwidth use, poor performance, and such things. But right you are, Ibiquity is a poster child for corporate abuse. But then, isn't greed the problem that lies behind so many other of radio's ills today? Making a living should NEVER be at the expense of somebody else's ability to do so, or to the detriment of other's rights. As far as I know, no other system for AM, not C-QUAM, PMX, ISB, or ANY of them involved anything beyond the one-time expense of audio chain upgrade, and buying and installing the exciter, and the occasional maintenance of it. Amazing that stations which claim they are operating on such a narrow profit margin that they cannot afford talent or decent programing, suddenly find the BIG money to pay and KEEP paying for the hiss-maker! For what the average station pays for IBOC, I would gladly work full time behind a pair of turntables! I'm no Wolfman, but I bet people would rather hear me than the dribble they get from CrapChannel sometimes! I repeat, give the medium-wave band to US...WE know how to use it to the advantage of the listeners who OWN the airwaves! Maybe we should just take it without the FCC's blessings, as happened in The Netherlands. I remember Radio Netherlands often referring to themselves as "The best LEGAL station"! The market for part-15-and-then-some gear should be pretty good if this keeps up! George --- On Sun, 8/31/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 5:01 PM > On Aug 31, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Joseph Rouse wrote: > > > read in a blog somewhere that Ibiquity is working > with a software > > company that specializes in encryption. Rumor has it > that they > > want to make the "channels between the > channels" encrypted, so they > > will no longer be free. They will become "pay > for" channels. This > > will also obsolete all existing HD receivers. > > > hahahahahaha! you finally figured it out. > > There is a program in the chip called Conditional Access. > The station > can turn your radio on or off. You will have to pay to hear > > programming when they implement it. Sucks. > > Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 17:41:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97829 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2008 00:41:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2008 00:41:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 00:41:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12306 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Sep 2008 00:41:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OB0CkTkVM1nlYszzmi7pG4NwYahQTLNPma47bu2StGtTiPXBnppx7R_B29KZfaN0Aw4ToOm35mN_4iJqk8Fe5KItazEqigG8YJ.QCBzCpDs1FLqdr5mwblN7WElhR9SIOBueHY5KYPf60rNBKekqoggJ X-Received: from [69.47.225.112] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:41:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:41:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <928060.65927.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <48637.12080.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Again, WJIB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=YBURPDus6G03d_5_O58051BPK6OZzyyYyG2wNSNUToDlzw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Ditto for XEG? G --- On Sun, 8/31/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: {AMSF} Again, WJIB > To: "AMSF" > Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 2:57 PM > Again, can anyone confirm if WJIB is back broadcasting in > stereo or not? > > Thanks, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 18:39:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47323 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2008 01:39:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2008 01:39:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.228) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 01:39:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 83390 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Sep 2008 01:39:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XTpx4cEVM1lDdk7Pjk2gCWmTfUv_0b9fhcLRQ0lhF8gCb5RFr6zK2_WdR_XL8V0iLO1MRqJqZ9tgQNKVc9URrasVB8Ui4YPhRLYW5uk10cE5Z6uswvm_aogfSoyX.xqyXJ8KLQ3asyImAYTl9UHCQQ4- X-Received: from [64.222.40.250] by web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:39:44 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:39:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <48637.12080.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <21836.83152.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Again, WJIB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=NDyIE7f8mtrw5TaiI44-B4GuM0tfiYng95hNnIZz-Z0_FZ0ETHNC X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wish I knew about XEG!=A0 I think XEQOO/1050 was back around 2001-2002 as= I used to listen to their Saturday night program "Disco Nights" from Flori= da. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Sun, 8/31/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Again, WJIB To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 8:41 PM =20=20=20=20 Ditto for XEG? G --- On Sun, 8/31/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: {AMSF} Again, WJIB > To: "AMSF" > Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 2:57 PM > Again, can anyone confirm if WJIB is back broadcasting in > stereo or not? >=20 > Thanks, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 21:19:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6929 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2008 04:19:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2008 04:19:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 04:19:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66183 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Sep 2008 04:19:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZlUUc0sVM1lcNI6cOtzrXPvWwXxZqhZtmlmQU3_VgZOwpsRtqo8Yp_xRyrF08EEdHW_NZC_9bKZMLzt5S4BXhaKJW5dtj1kAu4opTKokIbw_2AaqWLclX6wQtjRSgQ-- X-Received: from [72.241.177.103] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:19:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:19:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <807916.65678.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re:C-QUAM Decoder Chip Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=D7MmAthOSRZ4PoO3KO04KvqwrG10qwJbb_SYl08VT23UUPBVhew8Xfw X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Juan, I believe that there was originally a reason to lower the bass frequency stereo separation; Harris in particular has no separation below 200Hz, but I don't think the other systems were limited; in fact, Magnavox went really low with their 5Hz pilot tone, they could go down to 20Hz if they wanted to. From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 23:20:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19994 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2008 06:20:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2008 06:20:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.179) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 06:20:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2008 06:20:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2008 06:20:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2008 06:20:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 06:20:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <807916.65678.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.9.183 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re:C-QUAM Decoder Chip Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=O259CK9f1GH7Q3LajQlVDTDo_SakkkNdNS19auVRwFYLH8QM X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > Juan, I believe that there was originally a reason to lower the bass frequency stereo separation; Harris in particular has no separation below 200Hz, but I don't think the other systems were limited; in fact, Magnavox went really low with their 5Hz pilot tone, they could go down to 20Hz if they wanted to. > The RCA/Belar system also limited bass separation, but for no apparent technical reason. (It was not part of the original RCA system it's based on.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jmrouse@mail.com Mon Sep 01 00:00:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11698 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2008 07:00:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2008 07:00:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 07:00:30 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id C531118007D2 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 07:00:30 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.70) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 1 Sep 2008 07:00:12 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C243A32675A; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 07:00:30 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 02:00:30 -0500 X-Received: from [96.227.115.164] by ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 02:00:30 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20080901070030.C243A32675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=XKyuqrOditHSiSPTwKmyF3jvJXCXOAZd_vozKRMY32xcEST82AXq X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Glad you guys brought up this aspect of IBOC! We tend to look at=20 the technical downsides of it, such as excessive bandwidth use,=20 poor performance, and such things. But right you are, Ibiquity is=20 a poster child for corporate abuse. But then, isn't greed the problem that lies behind so many other of=20 radio's ills today? Making a living should NEVER be at the expense of somebody else's=20 ability to do so, or to the detriment of other's rights. As far as I know, no other system for AM, not C-QUAM, PMX, ISB, or=20 ANY of them involved anything beyond the one-time expense of audio=20 chain upgrade, and buying and installing the exciter, and the=20 occasional maintenance of it. Couldn't have said it better myself, George. Amazing that stations which claim they are operating on such a=20 narrow profit margin that they cannot afford talent or decent=20 programing, suddenly find the BIG money to pay and KEEP paying for=20 the hiss-maker! For what the average station pays for IBOC, I would gladly work=20 full time behind a pair of turntables! I'm no Wolfman, but I bet=20 people would rather hear me than the dribble they get from=20 CrapChannel sometimes! I'll buy AND install the turntables if you work in my listening area. Yo= ur choice of cartridges too!=20=20 I repeat, give the medium-wave band to US...WE know how to use it=20 to the advantage of the listeners who OWN the airwaves! Maybe we=20 should just take it without the FCC's blessings The market for part-15-and-then-some gear=20 should be pretty good if this keeps up! You are so right. Check out the stations list on the Hamilton Rangemaste= r AM1000 website. Some are quite impressive for "small time" radio station= s =20=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "george russell"=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Glad you guys brought up this aspect of IBOC! We tend to look at=20 the technical downsides of it, such as excessive bandwidth use,=20 poor performance, and such things. But right you are, Ibiquity is=20 a poster child for corporate abuse. But then, isn't greed the problem that lies behind so many other of=20 radio's ills today? Making a living should NEVER be at the expense of somebody else's=20 ability to do so, or to the detriment of other's rights. As far as I know, no other system for AM, not C-QUAM, PMX, ISB, or=20 ANY of them involved anything beyond the one-time expense of audio=20 chain upgrade, and buying and installing the exciter, and the=20 occasional maintenance of it. Amazing that stations which claim they are operating on such a=20 narrow profit margin that they cannot afford talent or decent=20 programing, suddenly find the BIG money to pay and KEEP paying for=20 the hiss-maker! For what the average station pays for IBOC, I would gladly work=20 full time behind a pair of turntables! I'm no Wolfman, but I bet=20 people would rather hear me than the dribble they get from=20 CrapChannel sometimes! I repeat, give the medium-wave band to US...WE know how to use it=20 to the advantage of the listeners who OWN the airwaves! Maybe we=20 should just take it without the FCC's blessings, as happened in The=20 Netherlands. I remember Radio Netherlands often referring to themselves as "The=20 best LEGAL station"! The market for part-15-and-then-some gear=20 should be pretty good if this keeps up! George --- On Sun, 8/31/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding=20 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 5:01 PM > On Aug 31, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Joseph Rouse wrote: > > > read in a blog somewhere that Ibiquity is working > with a software > company that specializes in encryption. Rumor has it > that they > want to make the "channels between the > channels" encrypted, so they > will no longer be free. They=20 > will become "pay > for" channels. This > will also obsolete all existing HD receivers. > > > hahahahahaha! you finally figured it out. > > There is a program in the chip called Conditional Access. > The station can turn your radio on or off. You will have to pay to hear > > programming when they implement it. Sucks. > > Kevin ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links --=20 Nothing says Labor Day like 500hp of American muscle Visit OnCars.com today. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Sep 01 00:48:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85413 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2008 07:48:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2008 07:48:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.23) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 07:48:17 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2008 07:48:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2008 07:48:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 07:48:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080901070030.C243A32675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.112 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=plzaYlTsoBVRJbroC-H2BZx4qQtPPfN-Fx6bVGpoNrPseVTnNg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Rouse" =20 wrote: > > Glad you guys brought up this aspect of IBOC!=20 Hey man!!! Wake up!!! It is a very serious issue!!! If nobody does nothing about it, SOON... How much money you have thought to pay to the Ibiquity new tiranic=20 goverments to get the "rights" to hear their "new" piece of sh...,=20 sorry, HD AM? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Sep 01 13:22:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98498 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2008 20:22:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2008 20:22:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 20:22:42 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.208] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080901152211102176900010.0) with SMTP id <20080901152211102176900010> for ; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:22:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <012101c90c71$226bd5e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <807916.65678.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:22:11 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:C-QUAM Decoder Chip Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=EVKaH4NxWfH8w4vZHzHc1gz4cja1WN815BuA2RXR6rI2ygXjXdDb X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Separation much below that is rather moot anyway, as your ears can't distinguish it. There's also the other benefit of having both speakers pushing on the bass notes since the ear isn't as sensitive there. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Juan, I believe that there was originally a reason to lower the bass frequency stereo separation; Harris in particular has no separation below 200Hz, but I don't think the other systems were limited; in fact, Magnavox went really low with their 5Hz pilot tone, they could go down to 20Hz if they wanted to. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Sep 01 13:32:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32493 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2008 20:32:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2008 20:32:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2008 20:32:27 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.208] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080901153157100077900010.0) with SMTP id <20080901153157100077900010> for ; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:31:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <014101c90c72$80084340$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20080831205400.4D08211581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:31:57 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=uPoHrKiITOdD3qdzDlXkwAWHL7z-hAme7sqj3yLMwN9D1Y7P45g7 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're wrong on point #2- the only continuing fee is on HD subchannels once they start airing ads. Their fees, while they could be chalked up to greed, are in fact just their way of recouping R&D costs. Any continuing profits aren't that much different from royalties your favorite music group gets (or should get) for producing their stuff. If you invented something, wouldn't you want some royalties for at least a few years? This is nothing new. #4 is partly wrong- there is conditional access in the works, but the FCC is demanding the primary signal be in the clear. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Rouse To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:54 PM I'm glad you brought that up. This is one of the things that really irks me about HD radio. Ibiquity's greed. From what I have heard, Ibiquity has got their hand in everyone's pot. 1)There is a $25,000 fee that a manufacturer must pay to Ibiquity before they can begin making HD radios. 2)Of course the stations using HD technology must pay a steady stream of user fees. 3)When the FM subchannels start running ads, Ibiquity will get a cut. 4)I read in a blog somewhere that Ibiquity is working with a software company that specializes in encryption. Rumor has it that they want to make the "channels between the channels" encrypted, so they will no longer be free. They will become "pay for" channels. This will also obsolete all existing HD receivers. 5)I heard some where they even get a cut on the chipsets used to build HD radios. It is bad enough, that all of the classic receivers that have somehow survived all these years, I have taken the time & expense of cosmetically & electronically restoring may become nothing more than "lightning detectors". But they are shaking everyone down to do it. I don't want to wish ill on anyone. That is not how I was raised. But still, there is a difference between making a living & extortion. I am annoyed. P.S. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong on any of the above points. Thank you. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Mon Sep 01 19:34:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9529 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2008 02:34:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2008 02:34:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2008 02:34:02 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id CCB70180072C for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 02:34:02 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.70) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 2 Sep 2008 02:33:44 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BE69432675A; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 02:34:02 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:34:02 -0500 X-Received: from [96.227.115.164] by ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:34:02 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20080902023402.BE69432675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=eJBQmQH-hvNCzMPoEJPyeAgfP3XyryuQpdQcvQS5gIDRz86sfE2u X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Hi Scott, Thank you for your reply. You're wrong on point #2- the only continuing fee is on HD=20 subchannels once they start airing ads.=20 Thank you, I stand corrected. If you invented something,=20 wouldn't you want some royalties for at least a few years?=20 I will go along with that, only if, like a patent, it is for a limited am= ount of time. #4 is partly wrong- there is conditional access in=20 the works, but the FCC is demanding the primary signal be in the=20 clear. It is the FM subchannels that I was referring to. I appologize if I was = not clear on that. I still have a problem with the conditional access howe= ver. The reason? If indeed these added channels do become subsciption only= channels, then the ads that are currently being run are deceptive. They l= ead us to believe that the additional programming provided by HD broadcaste= rs is a free "perk". This is the point that the ads promote more than any = other. If they really want to sell these things then perhaps they should be honest= & put the cards on the table. They could tell Mr. & Ms. public that this = may come to pass. Then they could tell them that if you buy a HD receiver = NOW, you could register it with them and have free access to the subchannel= s as long as you own it. I welcome your thoughts. Thank you. Have a good evening. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:31:57 -0500 (CDT) You're wrong on point #2- the only continuing fee is on HD=20 subchannels once they start airing ads. Their fees, while they=20 could be chalked up to greed, are in fact just their way of=20 recouping R&D costs. Any continuing profits aren't that much=20 different from royalties your favorite music group gets (or should=20 get) for producing their stuff. If you invented something,=20 wouldn't you want some royalties for at least a few years? This is=20 nothing new. #4 is partly wrong- there is conditional access in=20 the works, but the FCC is demanding the primary signal be in the=20 clear. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Rouse To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:54 PM I'm glad you brought that up. This is one of the things that=20 really irks me about HD radio. Ibiquity's greed. From what I have heard, Ibiquity has got their hand in everyone's pot. 1)There is a $25,000 fee that a manufacturer must pay to=20 Ibiquity before they can begin making HD radios. 2)Of course the stations using HD technology must pay a steady=20 stream of user fees. 3)When the FM subchannels start running ads, Ibiquity will get a cut. 4)I read in a blog somewhere that Ibiquity is working with a=20 software company that specializes in encryption. Rumor has it that=20 they want to make the "channels between the channels" encrypted, so=20 they will no longer be free. They will become "pay for" channels.=20 This will also obsolete all existing HD receivers. 5)I heard some where they even get a cut on the chipsets used to=20 build HD radios. It is bad enough, that all of the classic receivers that have=20 somehow survived all these years, I have taken the time & expense=20 of cosmetically & electronically restoring may become nothing more=20 than "lightning detectors". But they are shaking everyone down to=20 do it. I don't want to wish ill on anyone. That is not how I was=20 raised. But still, there is a difference between making a living &=20 extortion. I am annoyed. P.S. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong on any of the=20 above points. Thank you. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links --=20 Nothing says Labor Day like 500hp of American muscle Visit OnCars.com today. From jmrouse@mail.com Mon Sep 01 20:20:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38600 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2008 03:20:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2008 03:20:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2008 03:20:32 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 8A7A21800929 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 03:20:32 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.62) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 2 Sep 2008 03:20:14 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 785F411581F; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 03:20:32 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:20:32 -0500 X-Received: from [96.227.115.164] by ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:20:32 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20080902032032.785F411581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=Z9gnIyXyxJS1bx5zF5fSkwyEkOEPKuslFnG5tBNhjJZ5k3F26fQ9 X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Hi Scott, Thank you for your reply. You're wrong on point #2- the only continuing fee is on HD=20 subchannels once they start airing ads.=20 I stand corrected. Thank you. If you invented something,=20 wouldn't you want some royalties for at least a few years?=20 =20 I could go along with you on this point if, like a patent, it is good on= ly for a limited amount of time. #4 is partly wrong- there is conditional access in=20 the works, but the FCC is demanding the primary signal be in the=20 clear. =20 It is the FM subchannels that I was referring to. I am sorry if I was n= ot clear on this. Still, I have a problem with this conditional access. T= he reason? The current promotional ads being run are deceptive. They lead= the consumer to believe that the extra programming these radios receive is= a free "perk". They focus on this point quite a bit. Perhaps, if they really want to sell these things, they ought to be honest = & inform the consumer that the extra channels may not be free in the future= . Then they could arrange it so that anyone purchasing a HD radio before a= given date, could register it with them & enjoy free subchannels for the l= ife of the receiver.=20=20 I welcome any thoughts on this. Thank you. Have a good evening. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:31:57 -0500 (CDT) You're wrong on point #2- the only continuing fee is on HD=20 subchannels once they start airing ads. Their fees, while they=20 could be chalked up to greed, are in fact just their way of=20 recouping R&D costs. Any continuing profits aren't that much=20 different from royalties your favorite music group gets (or should=20 get) for producing their stuff. If you invented something,=20 wouldn't you want some royalties for at least a few years? This is=20 nothing new. #4 is partly wrong- there is conditional access in=20 the works, but the FCC is demanding the primary signal be in the=20 clear. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Rouse To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:54 PM I'm glad you brought that up. This is one of the things that=20 really irks me about HD radio. Ibiquity's greed. From what I have heard, Ibiquity has got their hand in everyone's pot. 1)There is a $25,000 fee that a manufacturer must pay to=20 Ibiquity before they can begin making HD radios. 2)Of course the stations using HD technology must pay a steady=20 stream of user fees. 3)When the FM subchannels start running ads, Ibiquity will get a cut. 4)I read in a blog somewhere that Ibiquity is working with a=20 software company that specializes in encryption. Rumor has it that=20 they want to make the "channels between the channels" encrypted, so=20 they will no longer be free. They will become "pay for" channels.=20 This will also obsolete all existing HD receivers. 5)I heard some where they even get a cut on the chipsets used to=20 build HD radios. It is bad enough, that all of the classic receivers that have=20 somehow survived all these years, I have taken the time & expense=20 of cosmetically & electronically restoring may become nothing more=20 than "lightning detectors". But they are shaking everyone down to=20 do it. I don't want to wish ill on anyone. That is not how I was=20 raised. But still, there is a difference between making a living &=20 extortion. I am annoyed. P.S. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong on any of the=20 above points. Thank you. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links --=20 Nothing says Labor Day like 500hp of American muscle Visit OnCars.com today. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Sep 04 22:56:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84786 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 05:56:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 05:56:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.252) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 05:56:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 05:56:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 05:56:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 05:51:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:51:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080902032032.785F411581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.252 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.117 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=kmMICdZ8o46LF1-pyj9_RcSEY7CKbmUV9JtSnNbplTEAONgVAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Rouse" =20 wrote: > > Hi Scott, >=20 > Thank you for your reply. >=20 > You're wrong on point #2- the only continuing fee is on HD=20 > subchannels once they start airing ads.=20 >=20 Don't you think the "normal" citizen has enough taxes and fees to=20 add another one? Does somebody really believe a young human being, with the "normal"=20 habit to listen music FREE and PIRATED in his MP3 player, will want=20 to use a paying system? ??? LONG LIFE TO THE FREE AIR WAVES!!! LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Sep 04 23:00:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82606 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 06:00:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 06:00:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.131) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 06:00:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 06:00:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 06:00:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 06:00:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:00:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <012101c90c71$226bd5e0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.117 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re:C-QUAM Decoder Chip Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=yWok3LK6QMsgt87HfJoD1noz9ypDPRuMOuTzSdlPEgoQ7k73CA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Separation much below that is rather moot anyway, as your ears=20 can't distinguish it. There's also the other benefit of having both=20 speakers pushing on the bass notes since the ear isn't as sensitive=20 there. >=20 > Scott Todd Yes, you're right: the human hearing system isn't enough good with=20 the spatial orientation of the bass frecuencies. But I don't think=20 it was a good excuse to offer a bad product. From the beginning of=20 the stereo systems age all the scientists knew about this, but all=20 the systems have given a very "decent" bass separation, at least=20 more than the skinny few 5 or 10 dBs the C-QUAM IC gives. Even the=20 old stereo vinyl LPs had more! If we based the audio systems performance in our hearing systems,=20 only... GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 05:40:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23190 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 12:40:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 12:40:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 12:40:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9668 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Sep 2008 12:39:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FVFM1GkVM1lvG2Wiind2joErgv0dDQq.P0XC1ZCGHhiL0grpSlRlO4xcNlkf12umnG9yzbbPr3oiNe.m9.j5N1c3r95TH6TGQj2T3ypdjswxIRnOUazZEm9Soi2IXA-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:39:58 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 05:39:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <262435.9339.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: C-QUAM Decoder Chip Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=9G31DsNqZS_KMcIVgNxEQDSfFsRty-Jq1UowVzNqhN8ZFzat09NU66c X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Didn't CQuam have 30dB sterero separation (at 1KHz)? From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Sep 05 16:12:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 461 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 23:12:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 23:12:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 23:12:43 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.29] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080905181227102344500010.0) with SMTP id <20080905181227102344500010> for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:12:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009901c90fad$9b758960$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:12:27 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: looks like we may be gaining another one! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=dQ2ndAMgwLhYnsibBXqX4ibT84kAjc_mluhmQ2NMXMf7KvuXOugf X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Found this recent post on the Broadcast message board: Richard, >/From what I hear, the 20V3 is now long gone from 1230 Westerly, which is /a fulltime Class C(ex-Class IV)with 1 kW day and night. I was chief there in 1977, when night power still dropped to 250 watts. A friend who's helping the new owner, is installing Motorola C-QUAM AM stereo. Rigs there now are a Gates 1 as the main, and an SX-1 for backup.Station will be going back to being community radio for the area with the call WBLQ. Dave Gardiner --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Sep 05 16:15:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20725 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 23:15:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 23:15:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 23:15:43 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.29] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080905181513102649700010.0) with SMTP id <20080905181513102649700010> for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:15:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009f01c90fad$fe194e80$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:15:13 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: one of the AM stereo good guys is gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=GhI5Mx4liPnPWO3GD6eYGUmdDyIKYGN6_bsP3A2zOpLcsu2XgBpL X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also found this sad post on that same Broadcast forum: I have not seen any other post abut this, but the broadcast community lost another great one. Ed Buterbaugh, exceptionally brilliant engineer for CKLW and WJR, died recently.<< Ed was the one behind the exceptional stereo sound on WJR for sure; don't know if he was at CKLW for their stereo days or not. Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Sep 05 16:28:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80153 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 23:28:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 23:28:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 23:28:34 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.29] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080905182820101747100010.0) with SMTP id <20080905182820101747100010> for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:28:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00b301c90faf$d3117580$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:28:20 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=YAyzlleohfTvA9L9FrGQAeIbWaJfHkCCdATusvQbrulQLlF6YClg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree about taxes and fees, but the flaw in your argument is it isn't the normal citizen who will be paying the ongoing fees. And like satellite radio one can subscribe or not depending upon how badly they want the service. It's entirely voluntary at both ends. A station that never uses a secondary channel won't make any other payments to Ibiquity. I seriously doubt pay services will do all that will on HD. Satellite has a few hundred channels for $15 or so a month. What are just one or two channels worth? My guess is not much. More likely services that were once on analog SCAs such as Physicians Radio Network might end up on paid channels but very little for the general public. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Don't you think the "normal" citizen has enough taxes and fees to add another one? Does somebody really believe a young human being, with the "normal" habit to listen music FREE and PIRATED in his MP3 player, will want to use a paying system? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 16:48:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47174 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2008 23:48:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2008 23:48:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.134) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2008 23:48:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 23:48:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 23:48:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2008 23:48:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:48:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <262435.9339.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.1.154 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: C-QUAM Decoder Chip Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=8l3PZBu2BrhrFoYoE19D-hLt2CH9GzCen6m7xsyxFSne1Qez X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > Didn't CQuam have 30dB sterero separation (at 1KHz)? I thought I've seen better than 40dB before, not sure... Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 22:31:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75511 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2008 05:31:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2008 05:31:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.190) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 05:31:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2008 05:31:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2008 05:31:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2008 05:31:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 05:30:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00b301c90faf$d3117580$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.59 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=a6NADt_IYoV219m8hkYTXzCp2fcPn4sP81EGWA5vbtAhYBJcig X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > I agree about taxes and fees, but the flaw in your argument is it=20 isn't the normal citizen who will be paying the ongoing fees. And=20 like satellite radio one can subscribe or not depending upon how=20 badly they want the service. It's entirely voluntary at both ends.=20=20 A station that never uses a secondary channel won't make any other=20 payments to Ibiquity. I seriously doubt pay services will do all=20 that will on HD. Satellite has a few hundred channels for $15 or so=20 a month. What are just one or two channels worth? My guess is not=20 much. More likely services that were once on analog SCAs such as=20 Physicians Radio Network might end up on paid channels but very=20 little for the general public.=20=20 >=20 > Scott Todd Scott, we live in a world where some things are created as a very=20 good things but another one turn it on very bad things. With the "virtual" capability to block the digital reception, Do you=20 really think nobody will think about to "take advantage" of the=20 situation? I really want to believe in your good words, but Ibiquity is a=20 commercial enterprise. Can we trust in their commercial interestings? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 22:38:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32586 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2008 05:38:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2008 05:38:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n33a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.214) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2008 05:38:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2008 05:38:30 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2008 05:38:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2008 05:38:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 05:38:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.59 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: C-QUAM Decoder Chip Issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=mMjAC0jbxTRYp1LITKLh47_nV2Fb4_0H_ua8tnfMQZRfPVna5A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." > wrote: > > > > Didn't CQuam have 30dB sterero separation (at 1KHz)? >=20 > I thought I've seen better than 40dB before, not sure... >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > I think C-QUAM has more than 45 dBs of total separation IN THE=20 TRANSMITTER SECTION!!! Another thing is in the tuner section. Please, take a look at the Motorola MC13028A C-Quam Decoder IC data=20 sheet (is a PDF file at the File menu at the left of the forum) and=20 see the page 10. There is a graph about the separation and you will=20 see the "bad" bass separation, from my point of view, without a=20 reasonable explanation. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Sep 07 13:05:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55861 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2008 20:05:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2008 20:05:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 20:05:45 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.149] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080907150535101093800010.0) with SMTP id <20080907150535101093800010> for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:05:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002901c91125$d80777c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:05:35 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=CyAvb2gRkoVWGetxAGGYogF10mydNThJADDisyWCT_xhLeagikFd X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Believe it or not, public radio stations will be the ones to use it the most for things such as radio reading services for the blind. Users won't be charged anything extra but the service will be limited to those with special radios. On the commercial side, any paid services will be what I previously mentioned, plus I predict it will be mostly limited to pay per listen of big events such as concerts with the rest of the time being free programming. We used to have some TV stations which had scrambled signals which would broadcast movies and only subscribers could decode them. Once cable TV was widely available, those stations dropped the scrambled movies and went to free, independent programming. What with satellite radio and its many channels available for a fee now, the chances of terrestrial radio succeeding with paid services are very small. If you can find the book Basic Economics, subtitled A Citizen's Guide to the Economy, by Thomas Sowell, I highly recommend it. I believe it's been translated into Spanish. You may find you have more to fear from the government than private industry, (not that they've been without fault.) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I really want to believe in your good words, but Ibiquity is a commercial enterprise. Can we trust in their commercial interestings? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Sep 07 14:03:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32622 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2008 21:03:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2008 21:03:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s2.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.202) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 21:03:42 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W35 ([64.4.19.135]) by bay0-omc3-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 7 Sep 2008 14:03:04 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:03:04 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002901c91125$d80777c0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <002901c91125$d80777c0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2008 21:03:04.0892 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F0D0FC0:01C9112D] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: Information Request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=D-DXV7xWrceiXDchUou2HO8lSFbnv5FkAvpPOXmUMUZHECd6OYjB X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to ask this forum a question. I need an AM Stereo tuner for my home system. Can you recommend such a unit and where I might find one? All responses will be greatly appreciated. MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 16:38:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4127 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2008 23:38:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2008 23:38:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 23:38:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32828 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2008 23:38:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: I.b95LwVM1nz3fdhPxmDRY1kQosBmSvDODsePF_eQPPNtNYwTnwH46yrTDzN0iunVRy..Je9RlCIF6PKS47N_KGMojpreHGYWkrj_vzBpDLnAB3fkJLS.M6gnEaD0DsGjsQwCLpyFXNbsfV51nA1KHdK X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:38:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:38:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <985665.31548.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Information Request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=vbVlQo5-CWHH-F7n7sMMHO7WJo3JHGAO8gSvePsrZVObyg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 meduci.com! G --- On Sun, 9/7/08, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO > Subject: {AMSF} Information Request > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 5:03 PM > I would like to ask this forum a question. I need an AM > Stereo tuner for my home system. Can you recommend such a > unit and where I might find one? > > All responses will be greatly appreciated. > > > MTGC (Michael) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 19:48:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42194 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2008 02:48:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2008 02:48:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.185) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 02:48:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 68265 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Sep 2008 02:48:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DLiLmIoVM1lnjP17_rrP.LOPgnM286oeJfcWCNNU4CwOrtxqSw4.Z_UdZF0fVMTVLJboD9myl2dyBEuuAf0YvFBbTYLJFBxpAUTlHH8j7MQINrXdJoqgUqLVmW6nkCyW4Q-- X-Received: from [70.109.197.94] by web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:48:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:48:54 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <804386.67330.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Audio archive X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=Ral3RZQrfQEXuLtwr45mlZ3HbmoOyAyZIvdkYKuoPzXlBM_iEI73 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anybody know where the audio archive is?=A0 Not on this site but the o= ne that had it by geographic location. Thanks, Jay =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sub83@shortwavelog.com Sun Sep 07 20:05:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: sub83@shortwavelog.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29814 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2008 03:05:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2008 03:05:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.216) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 03:05:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 03:05:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 03:05:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 03:05:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:05:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.91.73.70 From: "Robert Sillett" Subject: Re: Information Request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=346563316; y=gw_UwB8mDSZwRInAvu_2AsubcKDum5d6lKyfPlHOZ_Ri8w X-Yahoo-Profile: sillett As the previous poster mentioned, http://www.meduci.com produces high-quality, AMAX-caliber AM Stereo C-QUAM receivers. I own an AMX-2000 tuner and can attest to is good sound. The AMX-2000 tuner is analog; if you desire a digital receiver, I understand that the Sangean HD Radio receivers can also decode C-QUAM. However, I have only read reports about these receivers being able to decode C-QUAM. I'm not sure as to the audio quality. http://www.amazon.com/Sangean-Component-Radio-Tuner-HDT%252d1X/dp/B000R8KVJ= 0 The reason that I hedge on the Sangean HD Radio tuner is that I have an Accurian (Radio Shack) HD receiver that picks up and decodes C-QUAM. But the analog AM section of that radio is pretty poor.=20 While it does decode C-QUAM, the audio is quite muffled. I've seen this radio on close-out at my local Radio Shack for as low as $60.=20 http://www.radioshack.com/sm-buy-the-accurian-tabletop-hd-radio-on-http-www= radioshackcom--pi-2460834.html Those are the current, new radios that can receive C-QUAM. If you are looking for more options, then eBay can be a good source. I have purchased several C-QUAM (and even multi-mode) receivers from eBay over the years. Note that the old 1980s Sony multi-mode AM Stereo receivers are rare and quite sought after; thus they tend to fetch a pretty price. Often the classic AM Stereo receivers on eBay fetch more than $200, which is more than a new Meduci, Sangean, or Accurian/Radio Shack costs. AM Stereo receivers are out there. It just takes a bit of looking. Bob --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > >=20 > I would like to ask this forum a question. I need an AM Stereo tuner for my home system. Can you recommend such a unit and where I might find one? >=20=20 > All responses will be greatly appreciated. >=20=20 >=20=20 > MTGC (Michael) >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Sep 07 20:07:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19679 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2008 03:07:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2008 03:07:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 03:07:45 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.ca1.3e85ea21 (37082) for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:07:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hanksmithPC (s10.trico.az.wi-power.com [198.36.144.10]) by cia-db06.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB064-90da48c496f7209; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:07:36 -0400 Message-ID: <137205C51A2D4CDAAF62551041ADF6E4@hanksmithPC> To: References: <985665.31548.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <985665.31548.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:07:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-AOL-IP: 198.36.144.10 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Information Request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=QZMCBUi4vrJKr-gDC_ofRwS3QYugP5NOotNL8Q2qCFjdchNKLqoy X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this company kicks ass purchased a tuner from them and love it I highly highly highly highly recommend this company. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 4:38 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Information Request meduci.com! G --- On Sun, 9/7/08, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO > Subject: {AMSF} Information Request > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 5:03 PM > I would like to ask this forum a question. I need an AM > Stereo tuner for my home system. Can you recommend such a > unit and where I might find one? > > All responses will be greatly appreciated. > > > MTGC (Michael) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Sep 07 20:13:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33411 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2008 03:13:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2008 03:13:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 03:13:14 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.ca8.32771cad (37109) for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:13:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hanksmithPC (s10.trico.az.wi-power.com [198.36.144.10]) by cia-db08.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB087-90f548c4984218c; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:13:07 -0400 Message-ID: <5D3218A5EDAF4A348D80D187C5E225E0@hanksmithPC> To: References: <002901c91125$d80777c0$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <002901c91125$d80777c0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:12:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-AOL-IP: 198.36.144.10 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=6M6JpI76PDrkptFIYeYQKHV9OhTBfnnNtJ7erAXeOa6Nyow3tifP X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the radio reading services from what I have heard you give the library your radio's serial number this would be your states talking book and braille library and they input the serial number and your radio is unlocked for radio reading services. this is what in theary is supposed to happen have never heard if this is how it will turn out though Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 1:05 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? Believe it or not, public radio stations will be the ones to use it the most for things such as radio reading services for the blind. Users won't be charged anything extra but the service will be limited to those with special radios. On the commercial side, any paid services will be what I previously mentioned, plus I predict it will be mostly limited to pay per listen of big events such as concerts with the rest of the time being free programming. We used to have some TV stations which had scrambled signals which would broadcast movies and only subscribers could decode them. Once cable TV was widely available, those stations dropped the scrambled movies and went to free, independent programming. What with satellite radio and its many channels available for a fee now, the chances of terrestrial radio succeeding with paid services are very small. If you can find the book Basic Economics, subtitled A Citizen's Guide to the Economy, by Thomas Sowell, I highly recommend it. I believe it's been translated into Spanish. You may find you have more to fear from the government than private industry, (not that they've been without fault.) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I really want to believe in your good words, but Ibiquity is a commercial enterprise. Can we trust in their commercial interestings? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 20:20:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49980 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2008 03:20:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2008 03:20:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.56) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 03:20:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 03:20:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 03:20:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:20:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <804386.67330.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.8.164 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Audio archive X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=etnyq-2__3inImw1o0Cp56qr_aVIgHSgL1fz70Jo2ZXEql5X X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Does anybody know where the audio archive is?=A0 Not on this site but the one that had it by geographic location. It's normally at this address: http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/andromeda.php However, it's currently offline- I'm not sure whether it's down to the site maintainer's recent firing, and needing to cut expenses. I'll check and see. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 20:33:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11452 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2008 03:33:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2008 03:33:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 03:33:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 03:33:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 03:33:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 03:33:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:33:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5D3218A5EDAF4A348D80D187C5E225E0@hanksmithPC> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.8.164 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=QCFpksnPkg8xplwYKeHlBoUsWsm4F7ky7Ee0Y-RTlKD4ArGH X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > the radio reading services > from what I have heard you give the library your radio's serial number this would be your states talking book and braille library and they input the serial number and your radio is unlocked for radio reading services. > this is what in theary is supposed to happen have never heard if this is how it will turn out though > Hank The local Radio reading Service broadcasts openly and unscrambled on both SCA (over the local university station, KHSU 90.5 +67kHz) and on SAP via the local PBS station (KEET-TV & HD 13). I've known of other RRSes in many areas that openly encourage reception on SCA tuners (the Kansas and Nebraska statewide services, for example). There are still others that use audio-inversion scrambling, thus relying on special subscription receivers to get them. It'll probably operate similarly over subscription-mode HD2 & 3 channels, if the scheme is ever implemented. (The certainty of which, isn't, given that HD Radio isn't taking off as the makers of same had hoped.) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (Owner of a Radiosophy HD100.1, the revised HD100, which DOES NOT decode C-QUAM, unlike, apparently, the original version.) From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 20:53:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5441 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2008 03:53:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2008 03:53:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 03:53:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87827 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Sep 2008 03:53:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3LsH38MVM1nbMl2.wh8cVMuVipSRAAbcx7SN4wRoiac0KDKcREWqycaAsPwP2rbMVTfHnXXIlsGjMfRiHHawINwVLph1E8gahQdk3QviMyYpB2eHlHa9OIQQRIoxno4M0JWcK8xiK5CrmUli4BXpZf3b X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:53:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:53:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <778720.87051.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=rT9fHj0BVYFDIAwa20HxlHiOwKcJ_L3jkzcrO9HrpGPX1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Amy, that last part just cheers me up no end..."HD isn't taking off.." When will Ibiquity get the message? G --- On Sun, 9/7/08, Amy Mousie wrote: > From: Amy Mousie > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 11:33 PM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" > wrote: > > > > the radio reading services > > from what I have heard you give the library your > radio's serial > number this would be your states talking book and braille > library and > they input the serial number and your radio is unlocked for > radio > reading services. > > this is what in theary is supposed to happen have > never heard if > this is how it will turn out though > > Hank > > The local Radio reading Service broadcasts openly and > unscrambled on > both SCA (over the local university station, KHSU 90.5 > +67kHz) and on > SAP via the local PBS station (KEET-TV & HD 13). > I've known of other > RRSes in many areas that openly encourage reception on SCA > tuners (the > Kansas and Nebraska statewide services, for example). There > are still > others that use audio-inversion scrambling, thus relying on > special > subscription receivers to get them. > > It'll probably operate similarly over subscription-mode > HD2 & 3 > channels, if the scheme is ever implemented. (The certainty > of which, > isn't, given that HD Radio isn't taking off as the > makers of same had > hoped.) > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > (Owner of a Radiosophy HD100.1, the revised HD100, which > DOES NOT > decode C-QUAM, unlike, apparently, the original version.) From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Sep 07 21:33:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90811 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2008 04:33:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2008 04:33:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 04:33:48 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.bb9.2fd799ae (37084) for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 00:33:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hanksmithPC (s10.trico.az.wi-power.com [198.36.144.10]) by cia-db06.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB066-90dc48c4ab21374; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 00:33:38 -0400 Message-ID: <76FCA747AD754010B8480F21F3D77744@hanksmithPC> To: Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 21:33:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-AOL-IP: 198.36.144.10 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: update to my last email on radio reading services X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=I-XgGdYs5tU9KhDS0Vg901mQaQCUuRoCBScwb8qUMKNc9ECJsafH X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 hello forgot to mention I did get hooked up with the sun sound radio reading service for the blind in tucson az am supposed to be getting my reciever in a few days am unsure if it is at 67 mhz or not but it is on sca from what I under stand I will be getting these tuneable rigs so may find other stuff on the sca band. is there other stuff up there besides rrs? thanks Hank From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 21:36:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31136 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2008 04:36:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2008 04:36:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 04:36:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 95940 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Sep 2008 04:36:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: E.FaMZUVM1lqCQVyEwf28gdFfC8_ME8lnjGwMrggKXcEmcK9rZ0IHczlRlmmf7QOkv4Ac2ps_PCb_2vqsApWZZdcL8kG83f6fcULUC67z2sfiB3jgRxOdXIjUgnASA-- X-Received: from [72.241.177.103] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:36:31 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 21:36:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <259945.95929.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re:one of the AM stereo good guys is gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ipy3CtIwMUuB1VnIUccMgtFur0WvuyipqhX6CX0eJ0oxATe6JpGZwG4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Yes, Ed was THE genious of AM STEREO in Michigan and SW Ontario's 50KW stereo AM blowtorches. He was at CKLW for their initial Harris Stereo AM stereo and had the FIRST STEREO AM Sporting Event in NORTH AMERICA - a Detroit Pistons basketball game! Plus stereo music. Then at WJR he had the Detroit Tigers home games in stereo AM, as well the the Thanksgiving Day parade (live) and the Sunday music programs. A great guy, and we miss him here in the Great Lakes! From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 21:46:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57381 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2008 04:46:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2008 04:46:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.136) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 04:46:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 04:46:25 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 04:46:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 04:46:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:46:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <778720.87051.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.8.164 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo system sounded/sounds best? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=Bl95bbezG2uTsEF03ZPZqGQT1G8ye2WUedHht1iasW4DY2LD X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Amy, that last part just cheers me up no end..."HD isn't taking off.." > When will Ibiquity get the message? G Dunno- Their latest scheme is a $50 rebate on new HD-capable radios-- I need to send in mine, so I could make my $99 purchase down to $49... http://www.hdradio.com/rebate/rebate.php Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (No local HD stations, and have gotten decodes from 4 out of 8-9 DX signals...) From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 22:05:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76241 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2008 05:05:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2008 05:05:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.183) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 05:05:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 05:05:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 05:05:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 05:05:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:05:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <76FCA747AD754010B8480F21F3D77744@hanksmithPC> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.8.164 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: update to my last email on radio reading services X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=mxWdNauBLrFGP7Uj_Q6KWrE6BxdMTg__WZ5GgYjuIHGyV04G X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > hello forgot to mention I did get hooked up with the sun sound radio reading=20 > service for the blind in tucson az > am supposed to be getting my reciever in a few days > am unsure if it is at 67 mhz or not but it is on sca > from what I under stand I will be getting these tuneable rigs so may find=20 > other stuff on the sca band. > is there other stuff up there besides rrs? > thanks My copy of the FM Atlas is out of date ('03), but the short answer is very much YES. According to the book, the RRS is on 90.5 KUAT-FM +92kHz SCA. It lists others as being data services, but as I've noticed on my occasional trips elsewhere, the scene can change year to year, so you may have more or even less. If I'm not mistaken, Sun Sound is a statewide RRS, which only makes sense to offer tunable SCA receivers, for those who may movew from community to community throughout Arizona. Good luck, and let me know what you find. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (SCA fan, even if it isn't stereo ;) ) From amymousie@yahoo.com Sun Sep 07 22:09:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28237 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2008 05:09:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2008 05:09:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.247) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 05:09:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 05:09:41 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 05:09:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 05:09:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:09:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.8.164 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: Audio archive X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=a-lREZbtlgAyeZlwpvyAEA1AkfHLCBvX6hVg5gLLI5v8m3Fb X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie The archive is back up- The maintainer was disconnecting his phone service and trying to keep his DSL, but a snafu cut everything... He got DSL back up. Enjoy! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Mousie" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > > > Does anybody know where the audio archive is?=A0 Not on this site but > the one that had it by geographic location. >=20 > It's normally at this address: > http://www.amstereo.audio-stream.net/amstereo/andromeda.php >=20 > However, it's currently offline- I'm not sure whether it's down to the > site maintainer's recent firing, and needing to cut expenses. I'll > check and see. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > From ke7ief@aol.com Sun Sep 07 22:16:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ke7ief@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10679 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2008 05:16:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2008 05:16:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 05:16:04 -0000 X-Received: from ke7ief@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.d16.354f3d69 (37108) for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 01:15:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from hanksmithPC (s10.trico.az.wi-power.com [198.36.144.10]) by cia-db08.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB086-90f448c4b506ec; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 01:15:51 -0400 Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:15:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-AOL-IP: 198.36.144.10 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: update to my last email on radio reading services X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=307913173; y=6oyrdBBHiGHZBwMlIpO-xRHZLAeYsm0SCVYw3iMIzxrsLl-uy8Fc X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit will do what are the data services used for on sca, and also how can I tune the other part the 67 mhz sprectrum? thanks Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: update to my last email on radio reading services --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > hello forgot to mention I did get hooked up with the sun sound radio reading > service for the blind in tucson az > am supposed to be getting my reciever in a few days > am unsure if it is at 67 mhz or not but it is on sca > from what I under stand I will be getting these tuneable rigs so may find > other stuff on the sca band. > is there other stuff up there besides rrs? > thanks My copy of the FM Atlas is out of date ('03), but the short answer is very much YES. According to the book, the RRS is on 90.5 KUAT-FM +92kHz SCA. It lists others as being data services, but as I've noticed on my occasional trips elsewhere, the scene can change year to year, so you may have more or even less. If I'm not mistaken, Sun Sound is a statewide RRS, which only makes sense to offer tunable SCA receivers, for those who may movew from community to community throughout Arizona. Good luck, and let me know what you find. :) Amy. <:3 )~~8~ (SCA fan, even if it isn't stereo ;) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amymousie@yahoo.com Mon Sep 08 01:38:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84287 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2008 08:38:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2008 08:38:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 08:38:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 08:38:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2008 08:38:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:38:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.8.164 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re: update to my last email on radio reading services X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=lawYk8_mNQv0MD7zE5DBQBOJDIRko9pOSMmZoF0MU6IpCEQw X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > will do > what are the data services used for on sca, and also how can I tune the other part the 67 mhz sprectrum? > thanks The data usually is one-way data (like pagers) that needs broadcasting over a large area. The radio should have a switch that selects between FM, SCA 67kHz and SCA 92kHz. It's rare that any SCA service would not be on those two frequencies (except for RDS, which is always on 47kHz, so it never interferes with either the L-R audio or the 67 & 92kHz SCA services. IBOC is above even that, which allows SCA to coexist with IBOC), that a simple switch is all that's needed. You tune to FM station "A", then switch over to either SCA channel. On a radio like mine from RadioSCA.com, you CAN tune around the band while in SCA mode (either channel), but the static inbetween channels is MUCH louder than the static between channels in regular FM mode. Data services will sound alot like modem noise with occasional tones. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 08 10:49:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80801 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2008 17:49:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2008 17:49:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.228) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 17:49:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 35690 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Sep 2008 17:49:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: n_nH71YVM1mybbTyv0opVGD55oooRxTfurXic6gFGAc909tRBorzWGp_hwNKqWqF3Y8xdOWq20xustp7LOzLIqcVjo0mYf817zC4iKkNM49I3P6CNyfRyPldWTou7Zg1.mnFdFf7nXABBnJELu9blb0- X-Received: from [64.223.51.34] by web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:49:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:49:07 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <350456.34691.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Audio archive X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=_cyc6oKincgqRa4LhXcoee_f7g2HgcHHbD87vLcsMsFnwu8K_hNi X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you!=A0 I am enjoying it, especially the WLS 1980 jingle package. Oh, as an aside, Wikipedia has Australian station 3GG on 531 as A.M. stereo= .=A0 Can anyone Down Under confirm this? A 3rd thing: I have made the A.M.S. template (there are actually 2 by mista= ke).=A0 The Australians I have with the full call listed (eg.: VL3GG) so th= ey could go further up the list. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Amy Mousie wrote: From: Amy Mousie Subject: {AMSF} Re: Audio archive To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 1:09 AM =20=20=20=20 The archive is back up- The maintainer was disconnecting his ph= one service and trying to keep his DSL, but a snafu cut everything.. . He got DSL back up. Enjoy! Amy. <:3 )~~8~ --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "Amy Mousie" wrote= : > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, JNR wrote: > > > > Does anybody know where the audio archive is?=A0 Not on this site but > the one that had it by geographic location. >=20 > It's normally at this address: > http://www.amstereo .audio-stream. net/amstereo/ andromeda. php >=20 > However, it's currently offline- I'm not sure whether it's down to the > site maintainer's recent firing, and needing to cut expenses. I'll > check and see. >=20 > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 08 14:11:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31141 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2008 21:11:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2008 21:11:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 21:11:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1221 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Sep 2008 21:11:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JYzKG_wVM1lUGIFXwtznrlkftf.ItWpZiRoXPGKCmKxwMpuyOtskGPDyf4VlEtC23RrrCwaAJ.D2yVjLl2aTb8N96BTWvCQ8WfEVRs7rVELAvGvopmPpvxrUA7hYV06uN664CPdWPO052mUB6Xc- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:11:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:11:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <677100.1175.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re:Information Request - FANFARE Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=2YU7GrD7gXB5jayBLTDLXPr9S9EBE1bkH13Jp754IDM6A2ypitYSnDs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Michael, If you want digital tuner, what you need is a FANFARE FTA-100P AM Stereo / FM Stereo broadcast quality tuner. That is what these airchecks are from: http://www.fanfarefm.com/soundbites.html From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Sep 08 17:27:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67395 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2008 00:27:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2008 00:27:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 00:27:02 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.82] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080908192654100604900010.0) with SMTP id <20080908192654100604900010> for ; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:26:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006d01c91213$845dfb00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <002901c91125$d80777c0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:26:54 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Information Request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=hLRSUnIBz5KwgC_xXuS7WccOODOybydMYYnV8fTRpqfkSsiCaPoh X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe Meduci also produces a stereo decoder board so you could add it to an existing tuner, assuming you were electronically inclined. It's fairly easy to add it to any of the classic tuners of the 70s and 80s. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 4:03 PM Subject: {AMSF} Information Request --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Sep 08 17:29:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84995 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2008 00:29:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2008 00:29:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 00:29:41 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.82] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080908192915100877000010.0) with SMTP id <20080908192915100877000010> for ; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:29:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008501c91213$d8136c80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:29:15 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: update to my last email on radio reading services X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=N9J1x95SxWo2GtrCcrZlvhe_Hrr8yCLGN1HTKAMXZqHHuCEKRMay X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Data carriers tend to be 76kHz; RDS is 57 (3x19) not 47. Stations transmitting in mono can have yet another frequency- usually 41kHz. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Mousie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 3:41 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: update to my last email on radio reading services --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > will do > what are the data services used for on sca, and also how can I tune the other part the 67 mhz sprectrum? > thanks The data usually is one-way data (like pagers) that needs broadcasting over a large area. The radio should have a switch that selects between FM, SCA 67kHz and SCA 92kHz. It's rare that any SCA service would not be on those two frequencies (except for RDS, which is always on 47kHz, so it never interferes with either the L-R audio or the 67 & 92kHz SCA services. IBOC is above even that, which allows SCA to coexist with IBOC), that a simple switch is all that's needed. You tune to FM station "A", then switch over to either SCA channel. On a radio like mine from RadioSCA.com, you CAN tune around the band while in SCA mode (either channel), but the static inbetween channels is MUCH louder than the static between channels in regular FM mode. Data services will sound alot like modem noise with occasional tones. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 08 19:19:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4871 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2008 02:19:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2008 02:19:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.230) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 02:19:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 52859 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Sep 2008 02:19:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ANuxAJ0VM1n1dEXpdEcn_Ex_ogHdS3xo9XqE7n5bmjq5SNi_nTBu1Kj9nrMb0B6T8qSfs6XyLKRfO9LmYDaRD7E27wWFvFbWNFzmGZejjordFDKNhzh.4gONP5j_KsoW4g-- X-Received: from [64.223.51.34] by web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:19:00 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:19:00 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <276353.51777.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Is KCJJ an Offender Of The Faith? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=MUjg--ao0zhSR7VrjGQGURS6KJk7Uqrqp8cGdD9tuOY0Uww_voHy X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have the A.M. stereo Wikipedia template & as I looked through it, I reali= zed I did not see KCJJ.=A0 Are they mono now? Thanx, Jay =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gowrone@gmail.com Mon Sep 08 19:28:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gowrone@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23829 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2008 02:28:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2008 02:28:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ey-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.78.27) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 02:28:07 -0000 X-Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so857793eyi.53 for ; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:28:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.210.92.8 with SMTP id p8mr3680605ebb.118.1220927286670; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [12.210.55.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm5853191eyg.0.2008.09.08.19.27.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:28:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2FEDD2E0-E3D9-45BB-8355-EFDACA62A9BA@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <276353.51777.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 21:27:16 -0500 References: <276353.51777.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.78.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Matthew Elliff Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is KCJJ an Offender Of The Faith? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=285717100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit goes to check. it's hard to tell on my radio, but sounds like stereo to me. i've also got some lighting noise, but it's coming in pretty well considering. not a lot of fading right now which is pretty comon for them where i live anyway. On Sep 8, 2008, at 9:19 PM, JNR wrote: > I have the A.M. stereo Wikipedia template & as I looked through it, > I realized I did not see KCJJ. Are they mono now? > > Thanx, > Jay > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 08 19:31:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35180 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2008 02:31:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2008 02:31:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.244) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 02:31:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61131 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Sep 2008 02:31:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: I9jC3RsVM1npfuAGbvFE7nIJOLhYHgbCY3vZTWsRq6y2I9KfXrCPAW4ivn0E3hAlTfHT2BE0VbY2VhCyihn59rU3lzlv17LYu2JdhZWInfspO0HXEXKdhFWT0JnzgmKPf3EXg6zQljQqMfamw.YhWAI- X-Received: from [64.223.51.34] by web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:31:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:31:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <2FEDD2E0-E3D9-45BB-8355-EFDACA62A9BA@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <329656.60787.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is KCJJ an Offender Of The Faith? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=A1tpq3uUvgNHbIPYpOjPe-g0syzvzCs_Pds2vGeQOZeRTAVnLGAJ X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great, if it's confirmed, I'm gonna add it to the Wikipedia template. Thanx again, Jay --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Matthew Elliff wrote: From: Matthew Elliff Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is KCJJ an Offender Of The Faith? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 10:27 PM goes to check. it's hard to tell on my radio, but sounds like stereo to me. i've also got some lighting noise, but it's coming in pretty well considering. not a lot of fading right now which is pretty comon for them where i live anyway. On Sep 8, 2008, at 9:19 PM, JNR wrote: > I have the A.M. stereo Wikipedia template & as I looked through it, > I realized I did not see KCJJ. Are they mono now? > > Thanx, > Jay > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gowrone@gmail.com Mon Sep 08 19:46:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gowrone@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89815 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2008 02:46:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2008 02:46:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.189) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 02:46:01 -0000 X-Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so583970nfi.19 for ; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:46:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.210.71.12 with SMTP id t12mr19827511eba.36.1220928360543; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [12.210.55.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm5891023eyi.5.2008.09.08.19.45.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <329656.60787.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 21:45:23 -0500 References: <329656.60787.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.189 From: Matthew Elliff Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is KCJJ an Offender Of The Faith? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=285717100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i checked again and it deffinatly sounds like it to me. playing some 80s tunes and some newer ones just now. On Sep 8, 2008, at 9:31 PM, JNR wrote: > Great, if it's confirmed, I'm gonna add it to the Wikipedia template. > > Thanx again, > Jay > > --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Matthew Elliff wrote: > From: Matthew Elliff > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is KCJJ an Offender Of The Faith? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 10:27 PM > > goes to check. it's hard to tell on my radio, but sounds like stereo > > to me. i've also got some lighting noise, but it's coming in pretty > > well considering. not a lot of fading right now which is pretty comon > > for them where i live anyway. > > On Sep 8, 2008, at 9:19 PM, JNR wrote: > > > I have the A.M. stereo Wikipedia template & as I looked through it, > > > I realized I did not see KCJJ. Are they mono now? > > > > > > Thanx, > > > Jay > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ex-engineer@hotmail.com Mon Sep 08 21:53:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ex-engineer@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43364 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2008 04:52:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2008 04:52:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 04:52:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2008 04:52:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2008 04:52:58 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2008 04:52:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 04:52:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <350456.34691.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 218.214.129.136 From: "quadcom38" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Audio archive X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=340039075; y=SLbc17p-ia_I50zUpbwdM2QXg_SkCyj0NIKwMxcNFyyD6-bj X-Yahoo-Profile: quadcom38 Hi Jay I can confirm that 3GG (Greater Gippsland, based in Warrugul) does indeed have an active C-QUAM transmitter. Problem is, they don't have a stereo feed! They have been broadcasting in mono now for many years.=20 They would be one of the last Aussie AM stations to actually keep their C-QUAM transmitter active. The only other C-QUAM stations remaining in Australia are 2CA Canberra, 2CC Canberra, and possibly 4GR Toowoomba.=20 As for the rest, they all just faded away... no explanations, no "sorry you bought an AMS receiver but we're bored now" - no justifications for turning off the AMS, nothing. Great PR I don't think! All those AMS stations which turned off their CQUAM transmissions just showed contempt for those listeners who back in the 80's, did take the AM stations at their word and invest in (what were then quite expensive) receivers. I can see it all happening again with Digital Radio next year.... Yours, Ex-Engineer For the last few years so we can --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Thank you! I am enjoying it, especially the WLS 1980 jingle package. > > Oh, as an aside, Wikipedia has Australian station 3GG on 531 as A.M. stereo. Can anyone Down Under confirm this? > > A 3rd thing: I have made the A.M.S. template (there are actually 2 by mistake). The Australians I have with the full call listed (eg.: VL3GG) so they could go further up the list. > > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 > > --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Amy Mousie amymousie@... wrote: > From: Amy Mousie amymousie@... > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Audio archive > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 1:09 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > The archive is back up- The maintainer was disconnecting his phone > > service and trying to keep his DSL, but a snafu cut everything.. . He > > got DSL back up. > > > > Enjoy! > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "Amy Mousie" amymousie@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, JNR wrote: > > > > > > > > Does anybody know where the audio archive is? Not on this site but > > > the one that had it by geographic location. > > > > > > It's normally at this address: > > > http://www.amstereo .audio-stream. net/amstereo/ andromeda. php > > > > > > However, it's currently offline- I'm not sure whether it's down to the > > > site maintainer's recent firing, and needing to cut expenses. I'll > > > check and see. > > > > > > Amy. <:3 )~~8~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon Sep 08 22:55:49 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 37673 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2008 05:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2008 05:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.250) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 05:55:47 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2008 05:55:47 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2008 05:55:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2008 05:55:47 -0000 Date: 9 Sep 2008 05:55:46 -0000 Message-ID: <1220939746.149591.45900.w105@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Harris 1997 Catalogue.jpg Uploaded by : jotape1960 Description : 3d Harris Logo Image from their 1997 Catalogue You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Harris%201997%20Catalogue.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, jotape1960 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Sep 08 22:59:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69703 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2008 05:59:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2008 05:59:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 05:59:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2008 05:59:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2008 05:59:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 05:59:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.15 From: "jotape1960" Subject: 3D Harris Logo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=FwSboSKULz3L_JJ11hOFvg__2theeavVrIeqtFM_F6PLNMQ59w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi gang!!! To all those old times lovers, you can see now the cover of the 1997=20 Harris Catalogue (from the times they print it on physical paper),=20 prior to the Internet age, of course, in the Files menu at the left of=20 the forum. I wonder if there is a web page with more 3D images relative to the=20 radio world. Some idea ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Sep 09 05:37:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84212 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2008 12:37:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2008 12:37:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f11.google.com) (209.85.217.11) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 12:37:34 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f11.google.com with SMTP id 4so10064579gxk.11 for ; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 05:37:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.108.10 with SMTP id k10mr7256113ybm.233.1220963853921; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 05:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.109? ( [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm7163173ywl.4.2008.09.09.05.37.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 05:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4C8979AB-BA03-4141-9244-DBFD6CB7823E@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:59:15 -0400 References: <002901c91125$d80777c0$d503fea9@stodd> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Information Request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=XOsPVKJPEbW4uP_o5W2G0rPPAY2qiRLkdBQ4srRoheoPIz850MvyAyatjczyeg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Sep 7, 2008, at 5:03 PM, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > > I would like to ask this forum a question. I need an AM Stereo > tuner for my home system. Can you recommend such a unit and where I > might find one? The ONLY two on the market in the US are the Fanfare if you have a lot of money, and the Meduci if you don't. Possum From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 09 19:22:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58094 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2008 02:22:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2008 02:22:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.230) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 02:22:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10872 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2008 02:22:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kY0G2HkVM1mPOL2JruBK_XVOyRdIG2z7xs_20EwwErt1NxbpkY3zIBwTePC2dU2GvGMRd.jQgBd6R.1wA8SDQZcrlapw7upgOySg3Mn9pOqSW0wjuPs2OzyJTEqbgfULhYIYabQ1cyhr10IgkmaZpS8- X-Received: from [64.223.52.169] by web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:22:48 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:22:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <221323.10082.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is KCJJ an Offender Of The Faith? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=f4HfO61W0WVSxqHKftGln8m7UrI4GpXO6SRPoEsp4VsRS8AMsWs4 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great news!=A0 I've added them to the Wikipedia template page but now the f= requencies don't show!=A0 Weird! --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Matthew Elliff wrote: From: Matthew Elliff Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is KCJJ an Offender Of The Faith? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 10:45 PM =20=20=20=20 i checked again and it deffinatly sounds like it to me. playing= some=20=20 80s tunes and some newer ones just now. On Sep 8, 2008, at 9:31 PM, JNR wrote: > Great, if it's confirmed, I'm gonna add it to the Wikipedia template. > > Thanx again, > Jay > > --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Matthew Elliff wrote: > From: Matthew Elliff > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is KCJJ an Offender Of The Faith? > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 10:27 PM > > goes to check. it's hard to tell on my radio, but sounds like stereo > > to me. i've also got some lighting noise, but it's coming in pretty > > well considering. not a lot of fading right now which is pretty comon > > for them where i live anyway. > > On Sep 8, 2008, at 9:19 PM, JNR wrote: > > > I have the A.M. stereo Wikipedia template & as I looked through it, > > > I realized I did not see KCJJ. Are they mono now? > > > > > > Thanx, > > > Jay > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Sep 10 09:28:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81220 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2008 16:28:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2008 16:28:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.177) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 16:28:50 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id n30so620437elf.16 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:28:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.235.8 with SMTP id i8mr854802wah.194.1221063638180; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.109? ( [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm9942706yws.5.2008.09.10.09.20.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5EE6BA3E-9E26-418C-93FF-425EF9E6C14A@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <677100.1175.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:28:04 -0400 References: <677100.1175.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:Information Request - FANFARE Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=AGuS5o9rDUdZhqLBvAq-U4pyt4BclUUm17-IVsjQqdvKwmsJpmIXPVtw3z7dEw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Sep 8, 2008, at 5:11 PM, John P. wrote: > Michael, If you want digital tuner, what you need is a FANFARE > FTA-100P AM Stereo / FM Stereo broadcast quality tuner. While this is indeed one of the BEST home tuners ever made, it is an Analog tuner. It will NOT decode Digital Broadcasts. Kevin From amymousie@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 17:26:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48697 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2008 00:26:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2008 00:26:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.249) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 00:26:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2008 00:26:01 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2008 00:26:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2008 00:26:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:26:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5EE6BA3E-9E26-418C-93FF-425EF9E6C14A@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.8.164 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: {AMSF} Re:Information Request - FANFARE Tuner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=izNx1y8uc-xcXfaY_rndfBcYT_LhWxXEGG_cEBSn_9LKhAlx X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter wrote: > >=20 > On Sep 8, 2008, at 5:11 PM, John P. wrote: >=20 > > Michael, If you want digital tuner, what you need is a FANFARE=20=20 > > FTA-100P AM Stereo / FM Stereo broadcast quality tuner. >=20 > While this is indeed one of the BEST home tuners ever made, it is an=20=20 > Analog tuner. It will NOT decode Digital Broadcasts. I believe John was referring to digital tuning. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 22:37:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39510 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2008 05:37:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2008 05:37:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.49) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 05:37:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2008 05:37:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2008 05:37:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2008 05:37:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:37:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4C8979AB-BA03-4141-9244-DBFD6CB7823E@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.118 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Information Request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=B0ik-s5_viyWjp3XkvA5pAL3m-GxvkHkvdndX_4ZFbkLkz41ew X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > >=20 > On Sep 7, 2008, at 5:03 PM, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO=20 wrote: >=20 > > > > I would like to ask this forum a question. I need an AM Stereo=20=20 > > tuner for my home system. Can you recommend such a unit and=20 where I=20=20 > > might find one? >=20 > The ONLY two on the market in the US are the Fanfare if you have a=20 lot=20=20 > of money, and the Meduci if you don't. >=20 > Possum > This two models are the only one AM Stereo tuners available today? Isn't there some car radio? Where is the AM Stereo power? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amymousie@yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 00:02:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: amymousie@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68256 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2008 07:02:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2008 07:02:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.161) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2008 07:02:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2008 07:02:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2008 07:02:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2008 07:02:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:02:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.131.8.164 From: "Amy Mousie" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Information Request X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=135026306; y=N2XWjXmBOqOoNXpPzwg34mT_mo5Cvb_VJ0mAy3xewk9BVvHI X-Yahoo-Profile: amymousie --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > This two models are the only one AM Stereo tuners available today? Along with the Japan Radio NRC-545, yes-- IN THE UNITED STATES. > Isn't there some car radio? >=20 > Where is the AM Stereo power? In Japan. And Japanese AMS gear haven't been in the US since Sony stopped selling AMS radios (the SRF-42A was the last one in the US), except for the aforementioned Japan Radio communications receiver. Japan, however, still has a few home tuners, portables, car radios and pocket radios from two or three manufacturers on stereo store shelves. Amy. <:3 )~~8~ From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Sep 14 15:06:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67110 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2008 22:06:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2008 22:06:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f11.google.com) (209.85.217.11) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2008 22:06:40 -0000 X-Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so22326530gxk.22 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:06:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.219.18 with SMTP id r18mr2226170ybg.206.1221430000147; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:06:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.97.12 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:06:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80809141506ja4eec5dgb2fb077dbb7147c8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:06:40 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Comments from the owner of an AM Stereo station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=lkNiV2k1Zprc-foiAm6NxXv3t8498f7t4OhcH_3NH2JSskE7sD0uMLkv X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I sent an email to Dennis Brown, the owner of ChadRad Communications, Inc which is the owner of KCSR-AM 610 Chadron, Nebraska (which is in the NW corner of the state). I asked him a couple questions about the station and got this email from him: *"We use a Nautel transmitter purchased in 1998. We love it and love the stereo sound, that I believe to be better than fm in that you get better separation and I think a cleaner sound..* *We were listed on the AM Stereo website once upon a time, I'm not even sure that page is around anymore. I've always believed the problem with AM Stereo was the FCC's failure to set a standard and then broadcasters failure to find one on its own, also the industries unwillingness to compete with FM for the type of programming that would make people want to listen to it. Those of us who still have am stereo radios still enjoy it though."* ** *He also told me later on that they use CRL processing equipment*. I just thought y'all would like to see his comments to me. Regards, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.realradiousa.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Sep 16 12:18:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67882 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2008 19:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2008 19:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 19:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id r.d4c.2ebd92de (37060) for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:18:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB046-90c448d00678ae; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:18:16 -0400 X-Received: from FWM-M25 (fwm-m25.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.227]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA031-5c5348d00674344; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:18:12 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:18:12 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <221323.10082.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38575-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by FWM-M25.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.227) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:18:12 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAE648184F8BD7-1298-1FCA@FWM-M25.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is KCJJ an Offender Of The Faith? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=n4xtv_6QEHDaInYIGVMBa-a59LhdMAxL0alc0RmcCviPwVQZGoMS5YqXVioQAsik X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was just listening to KCJJ last night on the Roadmaster's radio.? It's still stereo.? Mike -----Original Message----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 9:22 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is KCJJ an Offender Of The Faith? Great news!? I've added them to the Wikipedia template page but now the frequencies don't show!? Weird! --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Matthew Elliff wrote: From: Matthew Elliff Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is KCJJ an Offender Of The Faith? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 10:45 PM i checked again and it deffinatly sounds like it to me. playing some 80s tunes and some newer ones just now. On Sep 8, 2008, at 9:31 PM, JNR wrote: > Great, if it's confirmed, I'm gonna add it to the Wikipedia template. > > Thanx again, > Jay > > --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Matthew Elliff wrote: > From: Matthew Elliff > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is KCJJ an Offender Of The Faith? > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 10:27 PM > > goes to check. it's hard to tell on my radio, but sounds like stereo > > to me. i've also got some lighting noise, but it's coming in pretty > > well considering. not a lot of fading right now which is pretty comon > > for them where i live anyway. > > On Sep 8, 2008, at 9:19 PM, JNR wrote: > > > I have the A.M. stereo Wikipedia template & as I looked through it, > > > I realized I did not see KCJJ. Are they mono now? > > > > > > Thanx, > > > Jay > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Sep 16 15:13:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30207 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2008 22:13:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2008 22:13:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s3.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.203) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 22:13:00 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W34 ([64.4.19.134]) by bay0-omc3-s3.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:12:55 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:12:55 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8CAE648184F8BD7-1298-1FCA@FWM-M25.sysops.aol.com> References: <221323.10082.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8CAE648184F8BD7-1298-1FCA@FWM-M25.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2008 22:12:55.0036 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E4A0BC0:01C91849] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: Opinion Needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=9s2sA29OHGMNVVsTmYyiXMiEaDQzbnLmox00Y54oe7WOqRkcCaUw X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have purchased a MCS 3050 AM Stereo tuner from the Bay. Can anyone of you give me an opinion on the performance of this unit? All feedback will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 18:58:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42560 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 01:58:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2008 01:58:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 01:58:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 97833 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Sep 2008 01:58:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: sUJ.RGgVM1lY0aUdFSDE3FoT8PtMbCySJsf_T_1si2ABsr5gFN7nbYrXP75Rgps13Q-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.159] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:58:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:58:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <809107.97030.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Opinion Needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=kt5__5J7UYc50ZfwW43R1TYMjSdYgQ1iI_H0_fXLjXY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I have one and I was impressed with both AM and FM. No stereo stations where I am though. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 9/16/08, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > I have purchased a MCS 3050 AM Stereo tuner from the Bay. > Can anyone of you give me an opinion on the performance of > this unit? > > All feedback will be greatly appreciated. From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 04:23:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4658 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 11:23:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2008 11:23:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.139) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 11:23:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 11:23:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 11:23:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:23:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.139 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.250.206 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: Opinion Needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=R5V6lTpNcO1YsUKFjucs0TRXbGezzWAjmZm0ksWg40g X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr I had 3 of them here...=20 Poor, bery poor... indeed compared with most if not almost all other=20 tuners I have here (and I have many others to compare it)! Acceptable=20 sensitivity for AM (not the best), good selectivity, disappointing AM=20 Stereo audio performance with highs not reaching even the 6KHz!!! I=20 think they have used a quite narrow IF filter at them...=20 Tested at bench, the average perfomance IMHO is too poor.=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON -=20 CEO wrote: > >=20 >=20 >=20 > I have purchased a MCS 3050 AM Stereo tuner from the Bay. Can=20 anyone of you give me an opinion on the performance of this unit?=20=20 >=20=20 > All feedback will be greatly appreciated. >=20=20 > Thanks, >=20=20 > MTGC (Michael) >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 06:58:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8982 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 13:58:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2008 13:58:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 13:58:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 72431 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Sep 2008 13:58:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TOQyBRIVM1nWVWvUUhuMp6jYpSXqqmUOdcQmwkH9Cnxlw79f7URqf..s4f4iuKuRc06G7qAC0_tbu9ShHw04zHDxFQLRL40VzzMn7nPhygkZoNzR0qs36UQ4iqmv9R.oF1RQQgKL3sTVqiHg9l8tE3c5QA-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:58:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:58:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <969571.71116.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Opinion Needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=eGuK6hN5TxTiLt02Lt_Yxkkw5Q-xfftfnABz5cthEPLa59uvr7xyZYM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I am going to replace the I.F. filter on my MCS tuner with a wider one. Cosmetically, I would have liked a more obvious stereo AM indicator in the display, but sensitivity is decent and it's a better tuner than most anything you buy nowadays other than the high-end goods. John From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 11:33:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80377 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 18:32:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2008 18:32:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.216) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 18:32:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 18:32:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 18:32:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:32:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <969571.71116.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 118.90.61.222 From: "alnairgrus" Subject: Re: Opinion Needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915; y=TGByAHp6aBQ-aKe03IK_l3gX-YMHzUFxguEBqaUviW_nyTNyZg X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus The problem with them is they only get odd nos on FM unless it can be=20 changed. Michael--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P."=20 wrote: > > I am going to replace the I.F. filter on my MCS tuner with a wider=20 one. Cosmetically, I would have liked a more obvious stereo AM=20 indicator in the display, but sensitivity is decent and it's a better=20 tuner than most anything you buy nowadays other than the high-end=20 goods. >=20 > John > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 11:39:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89517 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 18:39:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2008 18:39:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.137) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 18:39:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 18:39:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 18:39:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:39:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.250.206 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: Opinion Needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=eur597zNTh1yPFuYqM02MtEiMoEnvTGSt_mw5usHI7s X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Yes it can be changed to have both 9KHz AM step & 50KHz FM step!=20 I've been there & done that ;)=20 =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "alnairgrus" =20 wrote: > > The problem with them is they only get odd nos on FM unless it can be=20 > changed. > Michael--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P."=20 > wrote: > > > > I am going to replace the I.F. filter on my MCS tuner with a wider=20 > one. Cosmetically, I would have liked a more obvious stereo AM=20 > indicator in the display, but sensitivity is decent and it's a better=20 > tuner than most anything you buy nowadays other than the high-end=20 > goods. > >=20 > > John > > > From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 11:59:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36714 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 18:59:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2008 18:59:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 18:59:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 18:59:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 18:59:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:59:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 118.90.61.222 From: "alnairgrus" Subject: Re: Opinion Needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915; y=htaMYc2fHtjF-Q76GIYqM4EWnUxItM1xGRa7ZmKecWKuL9zpvg X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus TYhats good,How,I know the jx220a can be changed but not the=20 mcs3050.--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" =20 wrote: > > Yes it can be changed to have both 9KHz AM step & 50KHz FM step!=20 > I've been there & done that ;)=20 >=20 >=20=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "alnairgrus" =20 > wrote: > > > > The problem with them is they only get odd nos on FM unless it=20 can be=20 > > changed. > > Michael--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P."=20 > > wrote: > > > > > > I am going to replace the I.F. filter on my MCS tuner with a=20 wider=20 > > one. Cosmetically, I would have liked a more obvious stereo AM=20 > > indicator in the display, but sensitivity is decent and it's a=20 better=20 > > tuner than most anything you buy nowadays other than the high- end=20 > > goods. > > >=20 > > > John > > > > > > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 13:12:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38960 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 20:12:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2008 20:12:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.209) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 20:12:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 20:12:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 20:12:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:12:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.209 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.250.206 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: Opinion Needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=P2ATgNq8J_nPrFDLROYTE4a2L3N1ZoD4zVaq4qGKMKI X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Yes, although isn't so easy as it is at JX220A. For the MCS you will=20 need to do some hardware modifications at the controller board behind=20 the display.=20 I have taken some photos doing that... I 'll put them here the next=20 days...=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "alnairgrus" =20 wrote: > > TYhats good,How,I know the jx220a can be changed but not the=20 > mcs3050.--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" =20 > wrote: > > > > Yes it can be changed to have both 9KHz AM step & 50KHz FM step!=20 > > I've been there & done that ;)=20 > >=20 > >=20=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "alnairgrus" =20 > > wrote: > > > > > > The problem with them is they only get odd nos on FM unless it=20 > can be=20 > > > changed. > > > Michael--- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P."=20 > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am going to replace the I.F. filter on my MCS tuner with a=20 > wider=20 > > > one. Cosmetically, I would have liked a more obvious stereo AM=20 > > > indicator in the display, but sensitivity is decent and it's a=20 > better=20 > > > tuner than most anything you buy nowadays other than the high- > end=20 > > > goods. > > > >=20 > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > From ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 09:17:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4960 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2008 16:17:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2008 16:17:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.52) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 16:17:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2008 16:17:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2008 16:17:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:17:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.175.225.22 From: "ai9e_qrp" Subject: BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=241001136; y=5amjderluClcu14t2bLkeW7OcKgp_Bvohket7o2PG7PBLoc X-Yahoo-Profile: ai9e_qrp What a crock. http://www.radioworld.com/pages/s.0100/t.14795.html Kill off terrestrial TV with HDTV, then kill off AM with IBOC, then=20 move the wounded survivors to the old TV frequencies. From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 13:50:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7737 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2008 20:50:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2008 20:50:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.43) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 20:50:02 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n16.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2008 20:50:02 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.67] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2008 20:50:02 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp419.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2008 20:50:02 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 303958.31993.bm@omp419.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 79982 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2008 20:50:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.199.246 with plain) by smtp119.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 20:50:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DDam3LcVM1lTapM0XZNUJlHduh2OJA62JAojyYBjJcO9fdW1Wz_p2AvcNYXfa4VtfQyXy.fabVu0d4c9QEkA8eg3ETBgsdzy0wDPD2PzSGY5bCq5QN__uaTESIvyRRs7927up9NSOWUIZEIeMg91fZ5tlMQioN6s31ZNUvQW36nAgukbtzqH6Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:49:59 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=2DW18keu_1wpqyCxbPhpcki9Pns_Ek8e27n4HO8FzX59bSohcQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla I think its a capital idea. No problem with it at all. All the stations that want digital can go down there as the story says, Its a great place for it. "The next 100 channels (77.0 to 86.9 MHz) would be used to migrate AM stations to the proposed FM new EXB band channels, where they would operate in digital mode." Kevin On Sep 22, 2008, at 11:17 AM, ai9e_qrp wrote: > What a crock. > > http://www.radioworld.com/pages/s.0100/t.14795.html > > Kill off terrestrial TV with HDTV, then kill off AM with IBOC, then > move the wounded survivors to the old TV frequencies. From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 15:07:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67098 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2008 22:07:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2008 22:07:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 22:07:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 78994 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Sep 2008 22:07:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QQV4wWsVM1mRFLiTugYkVJKcu7CE4sVeBRvIxymLw88Oa2b.Q8JlYXnDCMNPSzDGq9WKvy2lQRbDp4QAEAf_90hhfXTxnfyG0cOReuqR_4tJ6G9cLFkwbDb26zPWSdv_8It3PIJD7Ov_pjh5BXBv51V8Z_f3oFIAJBciYhCrey5DL4qNgjqv X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:07:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:07:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <840177.78131.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=I-EtJW7Sghv4Kfg5X17F9jwRFrcO5y7nt-qx13ZsSgdAPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Notice they said the old AM band could be used for IMPROVED AM service? NOW YA COOKIN'!!! Go back to the good old days when "clear channel" was not a dirty name but a good idea, get all the coffeepots off of the old NARBA clears at night, let the clears have enough power to cover the continent, let WLW go back to 500 big ones, have the STC require all border-blasting XEs to use the wattage they are licensed for, then put LIVE and INTERESTING programming on ALL the big rigs...Oh yeah, I can just see the kids shutting off the iPod at sundown and listening to REAL radio! With the herd at night thinned out, high-fidelity AM, using the latest transmitters and vastly improved receivers could become a reality, flat out to 20 kHz., and in awesome stereo! Yeah, I know...I need a stronger cup of coffee before I write...no law against wishin', though. George --- On Mon, 9/22/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 4:49 PM > I think its a capital idea. No problem with it at all. All > the > stations that want digital can go down there as the story > says, Its a > great place for it. > > "The next 100 channels (77.0 to 86.9 MHz) would be > used to migrate AM > stations to the proposed FM new EXB band channels, where > they would > operate in digital mode." > > Kevin > > On Sep 22, 2008, at 11:17 AM, ai9e_qrp wrote: > > > What a crock. > > > > http://www.radioworld.com/pages/s.0100/t.14795.html > > > > Kill off terrestrial TV with HDTV, then kill off AM > with IBOC, then > > move the wounded survivors to the old TV frequencies. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 05:58:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65182 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2008 12:58:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2008 12:58:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2008 12:58:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58619 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Sep 2008 12:58:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7VjlKSYVM1k0sVLBmRYELkO4a8RGo8fp2IFu2T4GSVTe37.0Ez5Eu_tJgDBNqvuxQDCvMcda2v7G2J7A695tHW8wuqW513MjhkCNb25rix_dkqWWIAPHT0_VJzsvc9NtbFXU0c37Y78DTKQYEK1DEIzY X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 05:58:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 05:58:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <534383.58437.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=5_WYubvvwe7fO1FqY-Bn1xi8QDoKKcfEjS0h3zPMknPcr9FPqbiLmok X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Yep, move the sub 50KW AM channels to the new digital band on FM, re-alin the AM clear channels on 40KHz spacing with half a million watts each and require stereo, and then I'm sold on the plan. From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 07:30:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19834 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2008 14:29:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2008 14:29:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.24) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2008 14:29:57 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n32.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2008 14:29:57 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.250] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2008 14:29:57 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2008 14:29:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 284177.35365.bm@omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 51467 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2008 14:29:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.199.246 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2008 14:29:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EnBPg.wVM1m5pqC62Nw_7D5WFnhgvL5YRdg0lffCG5NXoTp294VDj2ZZV_DxclCmZ43Fvf6m1jBKDeWc164fBc8gz_G6Ps5fHAFpDrlHSbeVw47tL9KtT8oej_2PsKGLsQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <534383.58437.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <534383.58437.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:29:54 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Zx3znunSaUDUg63iss1dIKCzRQOVmgFFMJqd2IO6O8g2qqC6rQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Yep, move the sub 50KW AM channels to the new digital band on FM, > re-alin the AM clear channels on 40KHz spacing with half a million > watts each and require stereo, and then I'm sold on the plan. In this day of shortage of energy and fuel, I am not in favor of increasing power at all. The same thing is done with satellites today and a lot less energy consumption. In this world, there is no longer a need to use massive wasteful power to get your message out. If you want to do good for DXers, make it mandatory that if any stations wants to transmit IBOC on MW, they WILL move to the expanded FM band. There will be no IBOC on MW. After they all say that they will not be using IBOC any longer, spread the clears evenly across the nation. Then make it mandatory that all stations on the clear channel who are not 50kw nonDA must go to the expanded FM band or forfeit their license. Now your clears are open. Tell all stations that run less than 100W at night that its mandatory they go to the expanded FM band if they continue to broadcast at night. Some will go, some will cease transmitting at night some will go dark. This will clear out a lot more frequencies on the AM band at night. Make some of the expanded FM band stations with higher power. Now, tell all the graveyarders that if they want to go to the new band that they have first pick of frequencies. This will clear out some of the graveyarders. In fact tell the rest who aren't graveyarders that if they choose to move within a certain short time frame, they also get to pick the frequencies. It will clear out some stations. Some frequencies will be fairly emptied compared to now. If you can give those stations a power increase do it so it will lock out the ability for more stations to be put on MW to replace those moved. And if you want, mandate AM stereo. Its ok with me. This will not happen because the businesses that run radio could not afford it. If you want to know the truth, eventually we will get any station you want via the internet while in the car. I believe its 802.11n that will send a signal 30 miles. The signal will be sent to your car via cell towers and you can hear any station on earth perfectly and in stereo using less power. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 14:44:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45552 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2008 21:44:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2008 21:44:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2008 21:44:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98368 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Sep 2008 21:44:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: r_IJK4AVM1lCftyoWD6GH3vvOB4OUf6Cc3TwaB2IClRylm4aVb9a1SqQMPNe770zXULV7qB1NzjGpwe3W2TQMFC3Jy1id7OUxwZbeVhrl6TRWEc0IU0uyREMy0fsTVHuex0g21BpLP9rUJI_f.eyiV9B6J7LZPt1umWFhvXV8dPsaZdc9DA- X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:44:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:44:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <534383.58437.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <704127.98325.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=tVYWgSbkbRTQFbvCN8fltXqno-KuZaBgiKG7W46r-zJUEA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Oh yeah! That "sounds" even better! G --- On Tue, 9/23/08, John P. wrote: > From: John P. > Subject: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 8:58 AM > Yep, move the sub 50KW AM channels to the new digital band > on FM, re-alin the AM clear channels on 40KHz spacing with > half a million watts each and require stereo, and then > I'm sold on the plan. From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 15:22:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2775 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2008 22:22:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2008 22:22:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2008 22:22:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 57244 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Sep 2008 22:22:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rSp3aaIVM1ljg41tg86p8Jj__D9MG76uhZp5oXtI04_odb_tur2_YrOlpgK.lSp3rQ.aDAXSzHado62uYH_Z1raiRxf5CAptemN3Zm34vTy4HVjJf4X8fu.WOgTf7X46RE7xERAae69IYqkZb2VayT5mP3YGc.jl4dwYJX3J9siApxjLkms- X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:22:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:22:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <484763.56280.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=9ytxilfC_v7Uw1DgbS3RA-0j_QpGb5RkclDnvpcaYIjwJA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I too am big on saving energy, Kevin, to the point of sometimes shutting off my car's engine at a long red light or train, BUT when you crunch the numbers, isn't one big half-megawatt station reaching tens of millions listeners pretty efficient, on a milliwatt-per-listener basis? Just for an example, let's say C2C wasn't carried on so many stations that must total several megawatts, but instead put on ONE big flamethrower like the old WLW or XERA...you've just cut the total power required to clearly reach the entire continent to a tiny fraction of what it was. The trick of course is demanding that the LISTENERS determine the programming! If the programs were as appealing today as they were when those giants were on the air, the cost of such power would be easily justified. Cel relay idea sounds good, but what is the audio quality like at that bit-rate? (Not a rhetorical question...I am truly curious) Also, on the RECEIVING end, especially with high power on the air, a radio to get regular AM can be built and run so cheaply it is hardly worth considering anymore. A typical 60's six-transistor rig uses about 10 mA. at moderate volume, and today's chip-based "walkman"s can go for a long time on a couple of penlight cells. The receiver MUST be figured into the equation. When, in the 70's, Japan had all the TV stations signing off earlier to save energy, it wasn't the transmitters that saved the biggest share...it was all the TV sets that no longer had a reason to be on! Also, if we start getting the AM stuff by Sat or Cel, isn't Ma Bell going to make us pay for it? Just wondering... George --- On Tue, 9/23/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 10:29 AM > > Yep, move the sub 50KW AM channels to the new digital > band on FM, > > re-alin the AM clear channels on 40KHz spacing with > half a million > > watts each and require stereo, and then I'm sold > on the plan. > > In this day of shortage of energy and fuel, I am not in > favor of > increasing power at all. The same thing is done with > satellites today > and a lot less energy consumption. In this world, there is > no longer > a need to use massive wasteful power to get your message > out. > > If you want to do good for DXers, make it mandatory that if > any > stations wants to transmit IBOC on MW, they WILL move to > the expanded > FM band. There will be no IBOC on MW. After they all say > that they > will not be using IBOC any longer, spread the clears evenly > across > the nation. Then make it mandatory that all stations on the > clear > channel who are not 50kw nonDA must go to the expanded FM > band or > forfeit their license. Now your clears are open. > > Tell all stations that run less than 100W at night that its > mandatory > they go to the expanded FM band if they continue to > broadcast at > night. Some will go, some will cease transmitting at night > some will > go dark. This will clear out a lot more frequencies on the > AM band at > night. > > Make some of the expanded FM band stations with higher > power. Now, > tell all the graveyarders that if they want to go to the > new band > that they have first pick of frequencies. This will clear > out some of > the graveyarders. In fact tell the rest who aren't > graveyarders that > if they choose to move within a certain short time frame, > they also > get to pick the frequencies. It will clear out some > stations. > > Some frequencies will be fairly emptied compared to now. If > you can > give those stations a power increase do it so it will lock > out the > ability for more stations to be put on MW to replace those > moved. And > if you want, mandate AM stereo. Its ok with me. > > This will not happen because the businesses that run radio > could not > afford it. > > If you want to know the truth, eventually we will get any > station you > want via the internet while in the car. I believe its > 802.11n that > will send a signal 30 miles. The signal will be sent to > your car via > cell towers and you can hear any station on earth perfectly > and in > stereo using less power. > > Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 15:33:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33401 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2008 22:33:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2008 22:33:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.188) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2008 22:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n22.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2008 22:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.73] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2008 22:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2008 22:33:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 693468.3458.bm@omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 20533 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2008 22:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.199.246 with plain) by smtp124.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2008 22:33:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MRs2O58VM1mwP9XhBtouWLV6gzUpQKdomQGKvgMiRCe11NovtCVKpH7A1znUfdNmRlmHkJOZxqq_JemwIav7iz.4molqY5ccIgoFH2EwLj81a0vfKIyPdEuf3vqNraQJnKdKUazUWRhTTv4BeEPugXj7Sc4- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <484763.56280.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <484763.56280.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:33:30 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=cokr88aUhbZPXbuZKyhnXVYOrIVSVGzrCyhTT61Npx4j9Hc3eQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I too am big on saving energy, Kevin, to the point of sometimes > shutting off my car's engine at a long red light or train, BUT when > you crunch the numbers, isn't one big half-megawatt station > reaching tens of millions listeners pretty efficient, on a > milliwatt-per-listener basis? If you have 20 10 kW stations you can cover the same area for 200 kW. The sound is not as crappy as DX from 500 miles away. People won't listen to crap sounding stations. Why do you think everyone listens to FM? Its not because AM has noise from everything in it and people like it. You and I like AM and we like AM stereo but that is not going to feed the bulldog. Business wants money. Has to have it. Thats why they put the money in FM. Soon FM will be history and everyone will get stuff off their cell phones or in car wifi. Its coming. > The trick of course is demanding that the LISTENERS determine the > programming! If the programs were as appealing today as they were > when those giants were on the air, the cost of such power would be > easily justified. Thats a nice idea but when you have to compete with iPods and MP3 players where everyone gets exactly what they want, its hard to beat. > Cel relay idea sounds good, but what is the audio quality like at > that bit-rate? Depends on how much bandwidth you get to use. > Also, on the RECEIVING end, especially with high power on the air, > a radio to get regular AM can be built and run so cheaply it is > hardly worth considering anymore. But a transmitter at that power almost needs its own nuclear powerplant to provide the juice. The electricity for that would be prohibitive. > The receiver MUST be figured into the equation. When, in the 70's, > Japan had all the TV stations signing off earlier to save energy, > it wasn't the transmitters that saved the biggest share...it was > all the TV sets that no longer had a reason to be on! As must the transmitter. I like the idea of superpower. Its cool, its muscular brute strength but its too expensive. XM and Sirius cover the whole nation with 4 watts of power. 10 watts of cell phone power will get you out a long way. You can cover a lot of ground and for less cost for power that way. Kevin From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Sep 23 16:22:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78117 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2008 23:22:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2008 23:22:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2008 23:22:35 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.76] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080923182216102003400010.0) with SMTP id <20080923182216102003400010> for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:22:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005701c91dd4$0ea90540$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <484763.56280.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:22:16 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=hYiYuFP3TqfgQ0DcSXdRdEiIi9jYbHSuMLKbHfKp5057kdj6-rcT X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm betting they will. Likely all this hoopla about radio via cell will be similar to the satellite phenomenon- there'll be a slice of the public that will pay for it but the majority won't. It may be time to thin the herd but free OTA terrestrial radio isn't going anywhere. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell Also, if we start getting the AM stuff by Sat or Cel, isn't Ma Bell going to make us pay for it? Just wondering... --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Sep 23 16:26:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26571 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2008 23:26:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2008 23:26:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2008 23:26:23 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.76] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080923182616102522100010.0) with SMTP id <20080923182616102522100010> for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:26:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006b01c91dd4$9db18960$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <534383.58437.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:26:16 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=LNuoZFZCjBssSZJC-x7Ibrn-GYgmeFlpJdF3U6YhO2wZeL9ihM-O X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One other thing- it'd be great if Canada wouldn't keep a lock on their vacated AM frequencies. What exactly is the point? Just think of how many US stations could expand if that went away. Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Wed Sep 24 12:24:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71838 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2008 19:24:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2008 19:24:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2008 19:24:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2008 19:24:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2008 19:24:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:24:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005701c91dd4$0ea90540$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=dphkBAqID_Tauv7_UZs9OrhfdkYQ6brzIpaxRZyu95Wx X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Cell phone is one thing, WiFi is another. In addition to many small=20 wireless hot spots that already exsist Nassau/Suffolk counties are=20 planning their own WiFi network to cover Long Island. My ISP has=20 started their own network. I've already been able to listen to my=20 Internet station while waiting for my car at the local dealership.=20 Extra cost to me? $0. At home I have several Internet radios both wired and wireless. One=20 is hooked to the stereo in the living room. There are those stations=20 who care about their audio quality and stream at high bit rates. Internet radio may not replace terrestrial radio but it's something=20 that shouldn't be ignored.=20 That said, there's still nothing like standing in front of a 50 KW=20 AM transmitter and watching it do it's thing. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > I'm betting they will. Likely all this hoopla about radio via=20 cell will be similar to the satellite phenomenon- there'll be a=20 slice of the public that will pay for it but the majority won't. It=20 may be time to thin the herd but free OTA terrestrial radio isn't=20 going anywhere. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: george russell=20 > Also, if we start getting the AM stuff by Sat or Cel, isn't Ma=20 Bell going to make us pay for it? Just wondering... >=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Sep 24 12:34:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83379 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2008 19:34:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2008 19:34:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.181) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2008 19:34:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2008 19:34:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2008 19:34:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:34:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.149.16.45 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=JULWZfjtzaSEEBFynhcjZIBrnuP2QuNKblEnj3s5kQvZmjk X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane "It may be time to thin the herd but free OTA terrestrial radio isn't=20 going anywhere". =20 Scott Todd Except down the toilet, IF you go by stock prices...then again, our=20 entire economy is going down the toilet, unless your head is stuck in=20 the sand like Phil Gramm or the others who obviously don't have a clue. "If I had seven houses, I'd think the economy is sound too" =20 Unknown Juan Gualda Fort Pierce, FL From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 15:19:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53104 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2008 22:19:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2008 22:19:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2008 22:19:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 97875 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Sep 2008 22:19:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 25mVpsAVM1l2aLwCaFLbS_4tL_F4UwvT7gYS1r8BVe9RcAPFyajhCpWfl1USnMtsMe0La3hgcEhB77HMTj05x56hJBpp40aGssI9J.Snxr6p3IrWr2zLOAlH_w7dz543biI_sdrxj1TMBu8A9gyDF8YTC_cxL18eqHR4dtYt0kaKFYjuMPo- X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:19:33 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:19:33 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <417830.97746.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=tw2NqhAE5cZkVjIZcfVGVmLlm2KhSPtulGhNp-Inhhjhsw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 If I had one house, I'd think the economy had improved drastically! G --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Juan Gualda wrote: > From: Juan Gualda > Subject: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 3:34 PM > "It may be time to thin the herd but free OTA > terrestrial radio isn't > going anywhere". > > Scott Todd > > > Except down the toilet, IF you go by stock prices...then > again, our > entire economy is going down the toilet, unless your head > is stuck in > the sand like Phil Gramm or the others who obviously > don't have a clue. > > > "If I had seven houses, I'd think the economy is > sound too" > > Unknown > > > Juan Gualda > Fort Pierce, FL From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Sep 24 15:27:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55633 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2008 22:27:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2008 22:27:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2008 22:27:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2008 22:27:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2008 22:27:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:27:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <417830.97746.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.8.245.188 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=7DMRfcJSRhDlHHiQulMsI8Vjp_sWT4rT85tGk0DPiH8CnuU X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > If I had one house, I'd think the economy had improved drastically! G >=20 George.... Trust me, sometimes I wish I DIDN'T have one.......This one is=20 reminding me of the movie "The Money Pit". I guess I shouldn't complain....but I will anyway :-) Juan From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 17:35:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89324 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2008 00:35:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2008 00:35:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2008 00:35:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 133 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Sep 2008 00:35:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ehoMG_kVM1nngum51nQk.dyRQ93xdUULQjoZZxS7Pusqpqp8XR37aHqHWVonmTZuTPY8_5HVzVnpbYVC4imtcvZM1G3EUOVta4al19KOl7St1rhkkpUJg9MsbSNAYJgZ6XWSlw2k1skMd62kMM_vbIzS6_Oh18veFQtFvYZl12X6ZYNht4M- X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:35:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:35:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <864413.99694.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=IkbJONrO4IXTmcG_KsQ_tSN9VNfc0MWBiOtJxz5UxEDT1g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Ah yes, the money pit...I used to call my old Fiero that..."a hole in the driveway that you can throw entire paychecks into!" :>) G --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Juan Gualda wrote: > From: Juan Gualda > Subject: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 6:27 PM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > > wrote: > > > > If I had one house, I'd think the economy had > improved drastically! G > > > > > > George.... > > Trust me, sometimes I wish I DIDN'T have one.......This > one is > reminding me of the movie "The Money Pit". > > I guess I shouldn't complain....but I will anyway :-) > > > Juan From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 17:36:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31804 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2008 00:36:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2008 00:36:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.223) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2008 00:36:22 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2008 00:36:22 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.245] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2008 00:36:22 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2008 00:36:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 601613.57222.bm@omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 45108 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2008 00:36:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.199.246 with plain) by smtp113.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2008 00:36:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dieZCnkVM1lOqzj8CFjGa7B7Tpy8opzQnsFAnVjxw3n9JuKPgEWbbxddIYvF_ZOVL3tsimBmV14e_3RXqZO_TVjbE8YHEU5JoYptzcJdHbijALGZNWmWEXpeYoKRAP3o8NocIt5xRpPLDzSIpQlbHGYG6K0- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <417830.97746.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <417830.97746.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <216533A0-431F-425F-AF2B-E2FD38C25214@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:36:20 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=9foVFSxZbou6I3FkSGe1oy-xIpVudyxDVTdB4qjH5C6eyvTrwg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla If I could get a job so I could hang on to my house I would thank God constantly and think the economy was great. I can't wait until WPE [worst president ever] is out of office so maybe things can start to improve. Kevin On Sep 24, 2008, at 5:19 PM, george russell wrote: > If I had one house, I'd think the economy had improved drastically! G From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 17:38:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70160 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2008 00:38:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2008 00:38:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2008 00:38:19 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2008 00:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.73] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2008 00:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2008 00:38:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 874278.94831.bm@omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 96381 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2008 00:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.199.246 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2008 00:38:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AhblMmkVM1lw5XYWXCfaZodmzFuvfv11PG7z5W.IcD2.5Rp0p6ha1bNND1JC_7tn2PN7XEbsbM94GLJA7Ct7Qbes0pdvF_0m5DtCzj6Fo11nC5iU2ODkGnRlmhvRPH_HPI6sW4CzhWZICxyLzjtrfgiC0tM- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:38:17 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=xUpb94reyJv6AGMqkb_TVuTzP3GKHJuejKnZ3bRYmU9GeRVuGw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Juan, I put 20,000 into this place and there is still a ton of stuff to get done. Its incredible. My house is 76 years old and there is ALWAYS something. I can honestly say that its a lot better than the day I moved in. I am going to make a hole in a wall tomorrow to pass an antenna out of the house and that will make me happy. Kevin On Sep 24, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Juan Gualda wrote: > Trust me, sometimes I wish I DIDN'T have one.......This one is > reminding me of the movie "The Money Pit". From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Sep 24 18:18:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19520 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2008 01:18:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2008 01:18:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fmailhost05.isp.att.net) (207.115.11.55) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2008 01:18:48 -0000 X-Received: from owner2d075f959 (adsl-8-245-188.mia.bellsouth.net[65.8.245.188]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20080925011845H0500ec7kte>; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:18:46 +0000 To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:18:47 -0400 Organization: Q Media Hot 100, LAZR, 1003. KOOL Message-ID: <006a01c91eac$aa48b670$feda2350$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AckepwITNwzX1NAsSjGB7+dzFw87ygABT0NQ Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: 207.115.11.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "J Gualda Q Media" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=_6IhJV6JCzOEuwefopph_Yq4a9160csABP4g1IyHTyf-dMg X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, Best of luck in that job search.. Times are scary, and I mean I have not really been afraid until now with all these major failures.things WILL improve, they always do. Something will happen as far as the job search. I don't know If I told the story, but I sold Cars for almost a year. Not what I wanted to do, but it payed the bills. From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kevin redding Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:38 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan Juan, I put 20,000 into this place and there is still a ton of stuff to get done. Its incredible. My house is 76 years old and there is ALWAYS something. I can honestly say that its a lot better than the day I moved in. I am going to make a hole in a wall tomorrow to pass an antenna out of the house and that will make me happy. Kevin On Sep 24, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Juan Gualda wrote: > Trust me, sometimes I wish I DIDN'T have one.......This one is > reminding me of the movie "The Money Pit". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 19:47:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28189 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2008 02:47:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2008 02:47:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.137) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2008 02:47:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2008 02:47:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2008 02:47:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:47:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006a01c91eac$aa48b670$feda2350$@net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.29.56.120 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=iawX4KJycHc6TioxlcAmKfpichkLbLXoHje6UCqe8_TEuIJT_w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi gang!!! Interesting issue that plan. What about the ecology? What about the planet care? What is the relation between the ecology/planet care and the radio? THIS IS THE QUESTION!!! Is there some serious research about it? If our God gave us a protective layer (the atmosphere), and this=20 layer just let to pass only some frecuencies (below 300 MHZ and the=20 visible light range), I think there must be a reason (I don't think=20 God creates something without a reason, Do you?), and I guess that=20 reason is... OUR HEALTH!!! If we use frecuencies above 300 MHZ, knowing the risks, and we=20 saturate all this dangerous frecuencies with more and more and more=20 signals... What must we expect? Sometimes the mankind uses to create things only because it can be=20 created, BUT NOBODY THINKS ABOUT IF IT IS CONVENIENT. The LW, MW and SW frecuencies are in the "allowed" atmospheric=20 range, so we can use it almost without risks. And the today AM band=20 is on the MW range. So... Just my humble opinion. LONG LIFE TO THE FREE OLD ANALOG AM RADIO!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 03:09:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35281 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2008 10:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2008 10:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.125.208) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2008 10:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n10.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2008 10:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.71] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2008 10:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2008 10:09:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 316771.46719.bm@omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 32277 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2008 10:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.199.246 with plain) by smtp117.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2008 10:09:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HSwDd78VM1k.3PPSgQwKumHQBhksUIZ9NtoMSEA6K1Ddpz9h3euD6RCKisVjeMRCbDwQ8_iDd29cbwmDdxoi9f9OyR35bIa.C4l9guTOSG_6ynt7eKj3P4YPleDGk8dJjEi1QxsMc4mh2WxpHRH.WpKdK3k- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <006a01c91eac$aa48b670$feda2350$@net> References: <006a01c91eac$aa48b670$feda2350$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:09:32 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.125.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=bD4it_J8hrfrYUMM0fL_haPFWnC7tve1JVdlbCojRjEuVg993A X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Times are scary, and I mean I have not really been afraid until now > with all > these major failures.things WILL improve, they always do. What amazes me is that people will vote for the party that hosed this up for the last 8 years. > Something will happen as far as the job search. I don't know If I > told the > story, but I sold Cars for almost a year. Not what I wanted to do, > but it > payed the bills. I have a job as soon as I can pass the state tax preparers test and all I have to do is survive until I get my course done in late November and start work in December. Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Thu Sep 25 09:07:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63844 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2008 16:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2008 16:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2008 16:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail11.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.151]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEPZP3JAZJAJJJ for (sender ); Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:07:04 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD6aKQi5ONfMg49+G3ILMg+M= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail11.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NVXS8GUK; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:06:05 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.242.187] by webmail11.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:05:36 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:05:36 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080925.090536.16699.1@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 3:5:1414822019 X-MAIL-INFO:4f848159f199b4247499b1f4 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.151|webmail11.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: KFI - IBOC returns to the air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=ZAG6naxSjFBJP5jOGjMChUSFM76lzRORgcnX7WYhNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn FIELD STRENGTH MEASUREMENTS INVITED FOR THE KFI SWITCH Following is an open letter from Marvin Collins, former Chief Engineer of KFI, 640 kHz, Los Angeles: The activation of KFI's reconstructed tower "is due to take place at 5:15 PM on Thursday September 25. It will be part of the John and Ken show which airs from 3 PM to 7 PM. I believe there will be a remote broadcast from the tower site. "It would be interesting to have readers look for a change in signal strength. Send the results of your data to Marvin Collins, and be sure to include the location where you made your measurements." From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 12:23:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28993 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2008 19:23:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2008 19:23:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.92) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2008 19:23:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20641 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Sep 2008 19:23:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: z98UApkVM1nOG9q6dNlGe_mvgmplspwxiZ7rdk2xPt8g5NYKvd_E8Wkf9g9XYVzmYvQn50xDQ3qXLwZfYH19jgWvNurplA8P6YWmnhzCAULiQE2AF5ZuTXo8H3m2hYWmhU5wiVDeDRgZwITv8ydtecCDMjMIdMIqUPpHRSoJfTtulQ-- X-Received: from [118.90.57.166] by web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:23:00 PDT Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:23:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1222347550.2947.27851.m43@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <292611.19689.qm@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Michael and Ross Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 2813 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915; y=V-OXciVSNfNIqNgbmenyat8L5xgqWn_h0ipTfFgzBiRTvJJwEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CAN WE BLOODY WELL GET BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE.THANKYOU amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: The AM ST= EREO Forum=20 Messages In This Digest (10 Messages)=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 1a.=20=20=20 Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan From: wa2fnq=20=20=20 1b.=20=20=20 BMC's AM Migration Plan From: Juan Gualda=20=20=20 1c.=20=20=20 Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan From: george russell=20=20=20 1d.=20=20=20 Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan From: Juan Gualda=20=20=20 1e.=20=20=20 Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan From: george russell=20=20=20 1f.=20=20=20 Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan From: kevin redding=20=20=20 1g.=20=20=20 Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan From: kevin redding=20=20=20 1h.=20=20=20 Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan From: J Gualda Q Media=20=20=20 1i.=20=20=20 Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan From: jotape1960=20=20=20 1j.=20=20=20 Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan From: kevin redding=20 View All Topics | Create New Topic=20 Messages=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 1a.=20=20=20 Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan Posted by: "wa2fnq" wa2fnq@optonline.net= wa2fnq Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:24 pm (PDT) Cell phone is one thing, WiFi= is another. In addition to many small=20 wireless hot spots that already exsist Nassau/Suffolk counties are=20 planning their own WiFi network to cover Long Island. My ISP has=20 started their own network. I've already been able to listen to my=20 Internet station while waiting for my car at the local dealership.=20 Extra cost to me? $0. At home I have several Internet radios both wired and wireless. One=20 is hooked to the stereo in the living room. There are those stations=20 who care about their audio quality and stream at high bit rates. Internet radio may not replace terrestrial radio but it's something=20 that shouldn't be ignored.=20 That said, there's still nothing like standing in front of a 50 KW=20 AM transmitter and watching it do it's thing. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > I'm betting they will. Likely all this hoopla about radio via=20 cell will be similar to the satellite phenomenon- there'll be a=20 slice of the public that will pay for it but the majority won't. It=20 may be time to thin the herd but free OTA terrestrial radio isn't=20 going anywhere. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: george russell=20 > Also, if we start getting the AM stuff by Sat or Cel, isn't Ma=20 Bell going to make us pay for it? Just wondering... >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (20)=20 =20=20 1b.=20=20=20 BMC's AM Migration Plan Posted by: "Juan Gualda" gualdaj@bellsouth.n= et iowacane Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:34 pm (PDT) "It may be time to thin t= he herd but free OTA terrestrial radio isn't=20 going anywhere". Scott Todd Except down the toilet, IF you go by stock prices...then again, our=20 entire economy is going down the toilet, unless your head is stuck in=20 the sand like Phil Gramm or the others who obviously don't have a clue. "If I had seven houses, I'd think the economy is sound too" Unknown Juan Gualda Fort Pierce, FL Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (20)=20 =20=20 1c.=20=20=20 Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yaho= o.com wlx1430 Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:19 pm (PDT) If I had one house, I'd = think the economy had improved drastically! G --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Juan Gualda wrote: > From: Juan Gualda > Subject: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 3:34 PM > "It may be time to thin the herd but free OTA > terrestrial radio isn't=20 > going anywhere". >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 >=20 > Except down the toilet, IF you go by stock prices...then > again, our=20 > entire economy is going down the toilet, unless your head > is stuck in=20 > the sand like Phil Gramm or the others who obviously > don't have a clue. >=20 >=20 > "If I had seven houses, I'd think the economy is > sound too" >=20 > Unknown >=20 >=20 > Juan Gualda > Fort Pierce, FL Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (20)=20 =20=20 1d.=20=20=20 Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan Posted by: "Juan Gualda" gualdaj@bellsou= th.net iowacane Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:27 pm (PDT) --- In amstereoforum@y= ahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > If I had one house, I'd think the economy had improved drastically! G >=20 George.... Trust me, sometimes I wish I DIDN'T have one.......This one is=20 reminding me of the movie "The Money Pit". I guess I shouldn't complain....but I will anyway :-) Juan Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (20)=20 =20=20 1e.=20=20=20 Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yaho= o.com wlx1430 Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:35 pm (PDT) Ah yes, the money pit...= I used to call my old Fiero that..."a hole in the driveway that you can thr= ow entire paychecks into!" :>) G --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Juan Gualda wrote: > From: Juan Gualda > Subject: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 6:27 PM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > =20 > wrote: > > > > If I had one house, I'd think the economy had > improved drastically! G > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > George.... >=20 > Trust me, sometimes I wish I DIDN'T have one.......This > one is=20 > reminding me of the movie "The Money Pit". >=20 > I guess I shouldn't complain....but I will anyway :-) >=20 >=20 > Juan Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (20)=20 =20=20 1f.=20=20=20 Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan Posted by: "kevin redding" big_h00pla@ya= hoo.com big_h00pla Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:36 pm (PDT) If I could get a jo= b so I could hang on to my house I would thank God=20 constantly and think the economy was great. I can't wait until WPE [worst president ever] is out of office so=20 maybe things can start to improve. Kevin On Sep 24, 2008, at 5:19 PM, george russell wrote: > If I had one house, I'd think the economy had improved drastically! G Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (20)=20 =20=20 1g.=20=20=20 Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan Posted by: "kevin redding" big_h00pla@ya= hoo.com big_h00pla Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:38 pm (PDT) Juan, I put 20,000 into this place and there is still a ton of stuff to get=20 done. Its incredible. My house is 76 years old and there is ALWAYS=20 something. I can honestly say that its a lot better than the day I=20 moved in. I am going to make a hole in a wall tomorrow to pass an antenna out=20 of the house and that will make me happy. Kevin On Sep 24, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Juan Gualda wrote: > Trust me, sometimes I wish I DIDN'T have one.......This one is > reminding me of the movie "The Money Pit". Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (20)=20 =20=20 1h.=20=20=20 Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan Posted by: "J Gualda Q Media" gualdaj@be= llsouth.net iowacane Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:18 pm (PDT) Kevin, Best of luck in that job search.. Times are scary, and I mean I have not really been afraid until now with al= l these major failures.things WILL improve, they always do. Something will happen as far as the job search. I don't know If I told the story, but I sold Cars for almost a year. Not what I wanted to do, but it payed the bills. From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kevin redding Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:38 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan Juan, I put 20,000 into this place and there is still a ton of stuff to get=20 done. Its incredible. My house is 76 years old and there is ALWAYS=20 something. I can honestly say that its a lot better than the day I=20 moved in. I am going to make a hole in a wall tomorrow to pass an antenna out=20 of the house and that will make me happy. Kevin On Sep 24, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Juan Gualda wrote: > Trust me, sometimes I wish I DIDN'T have one.......This one is > reminding me of the movie "The Money Pit". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (20)=20 =20=20 1i.=20=20=20 Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan Posted by: "jotape1960" jotape1960@yahoo= .com jotape1960 Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:47 pm (PDT) Hi gang!!! Interesting issue that plan. What about the ecology? What about the planet care? What is the relation between the ecology/planet care and the radio? THIS IS THE QUESTION!!! Is there some serious research about it? If our God gave us a protective layer (the atmosphere), and this=20 layer just let to pass only some frecuencies (below 300 MHZ and the=20 visible light range), I think there must be a reason (I don't think=20 God creates something without a reason, Do you?), and I guess that=20 reason is... OUR HEALTH!!! If we use frecuencies above 300 MHZ, knowing the risks, and we=20 saturate all this dangerous frecuencies with more and more and more=20 signals... What must we expect? Sometimes the mankind uses to create things only because it can be=20 created, BUT NOBODY THINKS ABOUT IF IT IS CONVENIENT. The LW, MW and SW frecuencies are in the "allowed" atmospheric=20 range, so we can use it almost without risks. And the today AM band=20 is on the MW range. So... Just my humble opinion. LONG LIFE TO THE FREE OLD ANALOG AM RADIO!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. 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Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe=20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 14:09:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44936 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2008 21:09:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2008 21:09:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.225) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2008 21:09:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58900 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Sep 2008 21:09:31 -0000 X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:09:31 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:09:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <875108.57010.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=gm7EvnsX1z4hAcd_mmMzUq_WQyED4RbyWAofyCW4RWWjd4yDhxUC X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What does this have to do with A.M. stereo?=A0 Since we're waaaay off topic= ,=A0I'll probably vote G.O.P. again this year after seeing how badly run Rh= ode Island is under the Democrat Party.=A0 The state's motto should be "The= best government money can buy?" --- On Thu, 9/25/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 6:09 AM > Times are scary, and I mean I have not really been afraid until now=20 > with all > these major failures.things WILL improve, they always do. What amazes me is that people will vote for the party that hosed this=20 up for the last 8 years. > Something will happen as far as the job search. I don't know If I=20 > told the > story, but I sold Cars for almost a year. Not what I wanted to do,=20 > but it > payed the bills. I have a job as soon as I can pass the state tax preparers test and=20 all I have to do is survive until I get my course done in late=20 November and start work in December. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Thu Sep 25 15:17:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36082 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2008 22:17:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2008 22:17:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fmailhost01.isp.att.net) (207.115.11.51) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2008 22:17:17 -0000 X-Received: from owner2d075f959 (adsl-8-245-188.mia.bellsouth.net[65.8.245.188]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20080925221716H01000acqbe>; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:17:16 +0000 To: References: <875108.57010.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <875108.57010.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:17:18 -0400 Organization: Q Media Hot 100, LAZR, 1003. KOOL Message-ID: <005401c91f5c$7990b9f0$6cb22dd0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AckfUwQz0thYPH8DQG20+dlheI0D1gACVPtA X-Originating-IP: 207.115.11.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "J Gualda Q Media" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=T1d7jhjoj4iUA5YA4KSAlk7d09Ois67lj-HyJkELg8TWl2w X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What does this have to do with A.M. stereo? Since we're waaaay off topic, I'll probably vote G.O.P. again this year after seeing how badly run Rhode Island is under the Democrat Party. The state's motto should be "The best government money can buy?" Yep, you should vote for the GOP then... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 15:24:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47107 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2008 22:24:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2008 22:24:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.41) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2008 22:24:40 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n14.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2008 22:24:40 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.243] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2008 22:24:40 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp404.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2008 22:24:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 439050.37826.bm@omp404.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 10553 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2008 22:24:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.199.246 with plain) by smtp124.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2008 22:24:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: O31JnhMVM1ky9cp6V1BUXdOGnC1LqgtEbW6XvhBAZukayz_XcP8uXHe_tikMRWPJioghoncQLOWK_aI7oFFQMzMaaqRb_F1Hd5SnxpiK144uk6SxhKvMv3d9AdKtlk8YxA6aIUXB6Z14sIg7JgK3kN6vdkU- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <005401c91f5c$7990b9f0$6cb22dd0$@net> References: <875108.57010.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <005401c91f5c$7990b9f0$6cb22dd0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:24:38 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=7hVuUhordIgRKxN-yHmnKdNT44peC2cyewbi0i-3okPJiUP6CA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > What does this have to do with A.M. stereo? Nothing. There is almost no C-QUAM anywhere on earth. There probably less than 25 stations on the earth today. The only stereo more or less on MW is IBOC. That sucks but its the truth. I will be glad when the stations who do IBOC drop the hybrid so they can leave the adjacent channels alone. > Since we're waaaay off topic, > I'll probably vote G.O.P. again this year after seeing how badly > run Rhode > Island is under the Democrat Party. Please vote for Mr. McCain if you think he is best. Kevin From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 17:42:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49995 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2008 00:42:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2008 00:42:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2008 00:42:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4662 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Sep 2008 00:42:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1DZbC8oVM1k6m5CSRC2SPCKNZAljPmZenzK9e0ALAoUj7vfosa0VGdxJGtCbb82deg-- X-Received: from [64.223.58.95] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:42:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:42:07 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <54775.4651.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan (half off-topic & half on-topic) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=xh0OszyzS0iWsF7rbT4zdLe29eqNt2XcandZdeQpQMlYK-6ZceYn X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable O.T. part: so far the only person running that I've really liked was when I= went to my 1st Jimmy Buffett concert earlier this month (thanks, Hun!) & t= hey had Buffett for President stickers!=A0 Really, I haven't found any pres= idential candidate this year that I like. Now on topic.=A0 Sad to say, yes, there is little C-QuAM still hitting the = airwaves anymore.=A0 I've counted around 170 stations on the www.amstereora= dio.com/Meduci page list of stations.=A0 It frustrates me to no end that I = can't easily get a stereo radio & then if I do get one, most likely there a= ren't any stations!=A0 It's a chicken & egg scenario.=A0 I live about 30 mi= les from Putnam, Ct. yet cannot hear 5kW WINY well because of the rocky soi= l up that way.=A0 I can barely make out any intelligence on 740/WJIB.=A0 I = don't even know if they're stereo anymore.=A0 They were hit by lightning a = month or 2 ago & running on a mono backup.=A0 I don't know if Bob Bittner w= ent back to stereo.=A0 If he's still mono then that myth about coverage are= a has been debunked because I tried to pick WJIB up several months ago on m= y Sony AX-51V to no avail. This leads me into my next post.=A0 Please give me a little bit of time to = write it. 73, Jay --- On Thu, 9/25/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 6:24 PM =20=20=20=20 > What does this have to do with A.M. stereo? Nothing. There is almost no C-QUAM anywhere on earth. There probably=20=20 less than 25 stations on the earth today. The only stereo more or=20=20 less on MW is IBOC. That sucks but its the truth. I will be glad when=20=20 the stations who do IBOC drop the hybrid so they can leave the=20=20 adjacent channels alone. > Since we're waaaay off topic, > I'll probably vote G.O.P. again this year after seeing how badly=20=20 > run Rhode > Island is under the Democrat Party. Please vote for Mr. McCain if you think he is best. Kevin =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 18:09:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39924 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2008 01:08:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2008 01:08:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.228) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2008 01:08:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46343 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Sep 2008 01:08:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vNHfukcVM1n43wex_Hbn8B9a9AfaZpxqEsGXW39EfHDvdie7uHAjdQRxoyd1NdVeQtDFpHksGXD_mENmM5jLzYQqtI3CFSo_6gk7FxB4ZSPb5Cf43D3wcqyXF2lzfdTYk.Psa6TMpZPAopYAu6Xf0_Kpyvrq X-Received: from [64.223.58.95] by web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:08:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:08:55 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <598216.45868.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: My promised post as referenced in the earlier post X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=SEfvsP6LJrq909v_4X46-X0pmhr63DGF9Gjk1scXzKFb9nMverJs X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know not everybody here is a broadcaster.=A0 Some of you are listeners & = there's nothing wrong with that.=A0 In fact here's something not often hear= d from my industry to you anymore: THANK YOU!=A0 We appreciate your listene= rship, believe it or not!=A0 However there are some broadcasters (including= engineers & other behind-the-scene staff) on here as well.=A0 Some of us h= ave expressed an interest in owning stations of our own one day. I've been on these lists since I was a freshman in college.=A0 I've seen pe= ople come & go.=A0 I've made friends off of these lists.=A0 One common thre= ad is a love of broadcasting & sadly we've had people leave when their favo= rite station(s) stopped broadcasting or transmitting in stereo or flipped f= ormats.=A0 I miss them & wish they were still around (they're not dead mind= you).=A0 It's been my dream for a long time to run & own my own radio stat= ion.=A0 I know Scott, N0BST (please forgive me if the call is wrong), has e= xpressed the same interest in the past.=A0 Unfortunately we are in differen= t geographic locations but that is not a bad thing, which I will try to rem= ember later. I used to work @ a station which I tried to get to be stereo (or as much as= I could).=A0 I spend 2 weekends with friends rewiring the board after MacG= yvering enough audio cable to run a 2nd channel.=A0 It was labor intensive = but well worth it.=A0 In fact, I still have the RCA cables which combined s= tereo to mono (make sure my good work wasn't undone!) for our production bo= ard.=A0 Anyway, that station is no longer around.=A0 BUT, I may have found = a new frequency which may work better than the old one.=A0 I found what I t= hink could be used as a tower site & best of all, I've accumulated equipmen= t (or crap as some would say) for the past several years.=A0 To better unde= rstand what I'm going after: this city of 60,000 is so much a bubble that t= hey actually WATCH the public access T.V. channels because the shows pertai= n to their town.=A0 I have NEVER come across another city that does this!= =A0 So a radio station is a natural.=A0 But, what kind of radio station?=A0= Glad you asked. A.M. & of course, in stereo.=A0 For me to offer any different would be, to = me, letting down the city.=A0 I believe that in offering the best that I ca= n, people will support the station & get behind the station.=A0 That this s= tation will be a living, breathing entity in the community.=A0 There's cert= ainly enough business to go around. We'd have to give away some stereo radios (what would be nice would be a pr= e-tuned model) because some people don't have the radios, of course.=A0 The= format would nominally be "full service" but it wouldn't have much in the = way of national blabbering.=A0 We tried that on the old station.=A0 It does= n't work.=A0 We were up to 41 hours of local programming when I left but it= wasn't enough.=A0 Not for us & not for the city.=A0 We both wanted more! Radio has lost its roots in that it doesn't have to bring the world into a = small enclave.=A0 In fact in can bring that small enclave out to the world!= =A0 Why not?!=A0 A radio station is more than just an invisible wave that g= ets pulled in by a small box.=A0 It has to be more because it's truly magic= al!=A0 That's what a lot of owners today just don't get.=A0 So, I choose to= one day be one of those owners.=A0 Again, I know Scott has said he'd like = to own a station one day.=A0 That would be good because then there would be= 2 owners with a common goal in different parts of the country, hemisphere,= world, whatever.=A0 2 more that say "wait, there's a better way & we're go= ing to give it to you!"=A0 But, I'm greedy.=A0 I'd love to see more of you = be able to do the same.=A0 I know some can't or have a lot of other things = on your plates.=A0 That's understandable & fine.=A0 Nothing wrong with that= .=A0 Again, we need listeners as much as listeners need something to listen= to.=A0 But I dream about hearing that P.E.I. got an A.M. back & in stereo, or Mel= bourne has one again.=A0 Even near Tampa or out west. So before I've gone on too long, thank you for remaining part of the brothe= rhood & keeping the faith.=A0 These are dark times for A.M. stereo, but the= y could be worse & they could be better.=A0 So long as they could be better= then there's something worth fighting for. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 19:28:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37561 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2008 02:28:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2008 02:28:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2008 02:28:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 57438 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Sep 2008 02:28:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZpLbhucVM1m9IqM9Sv5Pm20Gapv10LNt1EZY2bLduhap_JpAkgJvcUo0gfHI2QpB_A-- X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:28:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:28:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <216533A0-431F-425F-AF2B-E2FD38C25214@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <991838.56649.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=jihZ74eA8RLrDckztWruZ3QEi3aYJ_y0Jk8Jo-o0V5MHHw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Oh yeah, I just saw a commercial for a movie coming out soon, called "W"! And the funniest part to me, after all the crap in the middle, was the caption "based on a true story"! Man, that sounds like a horror flick to me, and I don't think I'd let a little kid watch it...but I can't wait to see it myself. Maybe this "bailout" (read "handout to Wall St.") will fix things? I dont' think I'll hold my breath, I hate being blue! Oops, off topic again...I'll correct that by reporting on it over a C-QUAM station, hah-hah! G --- On Wed, 9/24/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 8:36 PM > If I could get a job so I could hang on to my house I would > thank God > constantly and think the economy was great. > > I can't wait until WPE [worst president ever] is out of > office so > maybe things can start to improve. > > Kevin > > On Sep 24, 2008, at 5:19 PM, george russell wrote: > > > If I had one house, I'd think the economy had > improved drastically! G From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 19:37:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37250 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2008 02:37:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2008 02:37:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2008 02:37:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 52258 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Sep 2008 02:37:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0abMEcIVM1lrwVvlQ7.KIw0txxlzKAKjb3c1EXuA6hbG8amLbEAsqCYZr3pTKMk7f2TfiYttZi_x55uIIwuNIFHTjAp8C9mMuldfxcyFnhOBoziAFquTuxDl_Vdia1LZPWQvoOd84os0cEr.v4aNSagxSWTsmAYDvyQ9yZMBpUjUKMkB16k- X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:37:31 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:37:31 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <598216.45868.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <870334.52207.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} My promised post as referenced in the earlier post X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=42l2Iqe1Xp2D7WH1WHQuub8zFshYNprzqS-OsxVFHChPxg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 You said it...MAGIC! And magic is a timeless concept, so it would work jus= t as well today as it did in years past. Good luck on owning a station, at= least YOU "get it"! G --- On Thu, 9/25/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: {AMSF} My promised post as referenced in the earlier post > To: "AMSF" > Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 9:08 PM > I know not everybody here is a broadcaster.=A0 Some of you > are listeners & there's nothing wrong with that.=A0 > In fact here's something not often heard from my > industry to you anymore: THANK YOU!=A0 We appreciate your > listenership, believe it or not!=A0 However there are some > broadcasters (including engineers & other > behind-the-scene staff) on here as well.=A0 Some of us have > expressed an interest in owning stations of our own one day. >=20 > I've been on these lists since I was a freshman in > college.=A0 I've seen people come & go.=A0 I've > made friends off of these lists.=A0 One common thread is a > love of broadcasting & sadly we've had people leave > when their favorite station(s) stopped broadcasting or > transmitting in stereo or flipped formats.=A0 I miss them > & wish they were still around (they're not dead mind > you).=A0 It's been my dream for a long time to run & > own my own radio station.=A0 I know Scott, N0BST (please > forgive me if the call is wrong), has expressed the same > interest in the past.=A0 Unfortunately we are in different > geographic locations but that is not a bad thing, which I > will try to remember later. >=20 > I used to work @ a station which I tried to get to be > stereo (or as much as I could).=A0 I spend 2 weekends with > friends rewiring the board after MacGyvering enough audio > cable to run a 2nd channel.=A0 It was labor intensive but > well worth it.=A0 In fact, I still have the RCA cables which > combined stereo to mono (make sure my good work wasn't > undone!) for our production board.=A0 Anyway, that station is > no longer around.=A0 BUT, I may have found a new frequency > which may work better than the old one.=A0 I found what I > think could be used as a tower site & best of all, > I've accumulated equipment (or crap as some would say) > for the past several years.=A0 To better understand what > I'm going after: this city of 60,000 is so much a bubble > that they actually WATCH the public access T.V. channels > because the shows pertain to their town.=A0 I have NEVER come > across another city that does this!=A0 So a radio station is > a natural.=A0 But, what kind of radio station?=A0 Glad > you asked. >=20 > A.M. & of course, in stereo.=A0 For me to offer any > different would be, to me, letting down the city.=A0 I > believe that in offering the best that I can, people will > support the station & get behind the station.=A0 That > this station will be a living, breathing entity in the > community.=A0 There's certainly enough business to go > around. >=20 > We'd have to give away some stereo radios (what would > be nice would be a pre-tuned model) because some people > don't have the radios, of course.=A0 The format would > nominally be "full service" but it wouldn't > have much in the way of national blabbering.=A0 We tried that > on the old station.=A0 It doesn't work.=A0 We were up to > 41 hours of local programming when I left but it wasn't > enough.=A0 Not for us & not for the city.=A0 We both > wanted more! >=20 > Radio has lost its roots in that it doesn't have to > bring the world into a small enclave.=A0 In fact in can bring > that small enclave out to the world!=A0 Why not?!=A0 A radio > station is more than just an invisible wave that gets pulled > in by a small box.=A0 It has to be more because it's > truly magical!=A0 That's what a lot of owners today just > don't get.=A0 So, I choose to one day be one of those > owners.=A0 Again, I know Scott has said he'd like to own > a station one day.=A0 That would be good because then there > would be 2 owners with a common goal in different parts of > the country, hemisphere, world, whatever.=A0 2 more that say > "wait, there's a better way & we're going > to give it to you!"=A0 But, I'm greedy.=A0 I'd > love to see more of you be able to do the same.=A0 I know > some can't or have a lot of other things on your > plates.=A0 That's understandable & fine.=A0 Nothing > wrong with that.=A0 Again, we need listeners as much as > listeners need something to listen to.=A0 > But I dream about hearing that P.E.I. got an A.M. back > & in stereo, or Melbourne has one again.=A0 Even near > Tampa or out west. >=20 > So before I've gone on too long, thank you for > remaining part of the brotherhood & keeping the faith.=A0 > These are dark times for A.M. stereo, but they could be > worse & they could be better.=A0 So long as they could be > better then there's something worth fighting for. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From robert.w.welch@att.net Thu Sep 25 20:43:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62721 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2008 03:43:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2008 03:43:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2008 03:43:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2008 03:43:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2008 03:43:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:43:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <598216.45868.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.58.159 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: My promised post as referenced in the earlier post X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=bWl1SWesawZX3-pNumhXODMwr-AJtzWwY_ZhnzkneFMGO_nk33qw X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 If any station should be used as a model for a radio station... it's likely the one that over the years has been called "too old fashioned" for the contemporary listener... however... it ironically is the ratings giant in it's region of central Vermont for the fact that it has never changed. http://www.wdevradio.com I used to work there and now work someplace else only for the essential reason of the checkbook. I only had weekend work there. Bob at WSTJ. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > I know not everybody here is a broadcaster.=A0 Some of you are listeners & there's nothing wrong with that.=A0 In fact here's something not often heard from my industry to you anymore: THANK YOU!=A0 We appreciate your listenership, believe it or not!=A0 However there are some broadcasters (including engineers & other behind-the-scene staff) on here as well.=A0 Some of us have expressed an interest in owning stations of our own one day. >=20 > I've been on these lists since I was a freshman in college.=A0 I've seen people come & go.=A0 I've made friends off of these lists.=A0 One common thread is a love of broadcasting & sadly we've had people leave when their favorite station(s) stopped broadcasting or transmitting in stereo or flipped formats.=A0 I miss them & wish they were still around (they're not dead mind you).=A0 It's been my dream for a long time to run & own my own radio station.=A0 I know Scott, N0BST (please forgive me if the call is wrong), has expressed the same interest in the past.=A0 Unfortunately we are in different geographic locations but that is not a bad thing, which I will try to remember later. >=20 > I used to work @ a station which I tried to get to be stereo (or as much as I could).=A0 I spend 2 weekends with friends rewiring the board after MacGyvering enough audio cable to run a 2nd channel.=A0 It was labor intensive but well worth it.=A0 In fact, I still have the RCA cables which combined stereo to mono (make sure my good work wasn't undone!) for our production board.=A0 Anyway, that station is no longer around.=A0 BUT, I may have found a new frequency which may work better than the old one.=A0 I found what I think could be used as a tower site & best of all, I've accumulated equipment (or crap as some would say) for the past several years.=A0 To better understand what I'm going after: this city of 60,000 is so much a bubble that they actually WATCH the public access T.V. channels because the shows pertain to their town.=A0 I have NEVER come across another city that does this!=A0 So a radio station is a natural.=A0 But, what kind of radio station?=A0 Glad > you asked. >=20 > A.M. & of course, in stereo.=A0 For me to offer any different would be, to me, letting down the city.=A0 I believe that in offering the best that I can, people will support the station & get behind the station.=A0 That this station will be a living, breathing entity in the community.=A0 There's certainly enough business to go around. >=20 > We'd have to give away some stereo radios (what would be nice would be a pre-tuned model) because some people don't have the radios, of course.=A0 The format would nominally be "full service" but it wouldn't have much in the way of national blabbering.=A0 We tried that on the old station.=A0 It doesn't work.=A0 We were up to 41 hours of local programming when I left but it wasn't enough.=A0 Not for us & not for the city.=A0 We both wanted more! >=20 > Radio has lost its roots in that it doesn't have to bring the world into a small enclave.=A0 In fact in can bring that small enclave out to the world!=A0 Why not?!=A0 A radio station is more than just an invisible wave that gets pulled in by a small box.=A0 It has to be more because it's truly magical!=A0 That's what a lot of owners today just don't get.=A0 So, I choose to one day be one of those owners.=A0 Again, I know Scott has said he'd like to own a station one day.=A0 That would be good because then there would be 2 owners with a common goal in different parts of the country, hemisphere, world, whatever.=A0 2 more that say "wait, there's a better way & we're going to give it to you!"=A0 But, I'm greedy.=A0 I'd love to see more of you be able to do the same.=A0 I know some can't or have a lot of other things on your plates.=A0 That's understandable & fine.=A0 Nothing wrong with that.=A0 Again, we need listeners as much as listeners need something to listen to.=A0 > But I dream about hearing that P.E.I. got an A.M. back & in stereo, or Melbourne has one again.=A0 Even near Tampa or out west. >=20 > So before I've gone on too long, thank you for remaining part of the brotherhood & keeping the faith.=A0 These are dark times for A.M. stereo, but they could be worse & they could be better.=A0 So long as they could be better then there's something worth fighting for. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 03:29:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12773 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2008 10:29:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2008 10:29:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2008 10:29:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22699 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Sep 2008 10:29:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vCbUG.4VM1n799_5Ojml4Gb8p4YhEkZLdRhtH2x2Kbo5m3hhuSTlpnD4d93XCgD3zVA7mRqc8OJSRwqcStW.Qgw8BUIrmofw9phMb_jQKbIJAvZjUirR9ssYkxCklngDZcZA5vyiQuXUOsTgIRpTILdGmKjfq.gf_RvWWuWcCrcGXQX6Rw-- X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:29:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:29:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <521590.20736.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: My promised post as referenced in the earlier post X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=xfbNc73IJI1d2bNlMDRO7AwLjT3rrx0lxOCwoR1Od6kjmEVjQ2a4 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmm, the old-fashioned station is #1?!=A0 WHAT A CONCEPT!=A0 Maybe people l= ike the tried-and-true after all!=A0 I figure I've got to have as much of t= he station I want to own ready to go as possible.=A0 Can't really experimen= t once it goes on air. =A0 By the way, my model for a station is the former A.M. stereo WOON.=A0 Their= site is www.on1240.com.=A0 Probably over 90% of the programming is local.= =A0 Their all-news ON2 & all-sports ON3 as well as ONTV streams can be foun= d on www.onworldwide.com.=A0 Another local broadcaster making good. =A0 By the way, I have a fridge magnet for WSTJ! =A0 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Bob Welch wrote: From: Bob Welch Subject: {AMSF} Re: My promised post as referenced in the earlier post To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 11:43 PM If any station should be used as a model for a radio station... it's likely the one that over the years has been called "too old fashioned" for the contemporary listener... however... it ironically is the ratings giant in it's region of central Vermont for the fact that it has never changed. http://www.wdevradi o.com I used to work there and now work someplace else only for the essential reason of the checkbook. I only had weekend work there. Bob at WSTJ. --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, JNR wrote: > > I know not everybody here is a broadcaster.=A0 Some of you are listeners & there's nothing wrong with that.=A0 In fact here's something not often heard from my industry to you anymore: THANK YOU!=A0 We appreciate your listenership, believe it or not!=A0 However there are some broadcasters (including engineers & other behind-the-scene staff) on here as well.=A0 Some of us have expressed an interest in owning stations of our own one day. >=20 > I've been on these lists since I was a freshman in college.=A0 I've seen people come & go.=A0 I've made friends off of these lists.=A0 One common thread is a love of broadcasting & sadly we've had people leave when their favorite station(s) stopped broadcasting or transmitting in stereo or flipped formats.=A0 I miss them & wish they were still around (they're not dead mind you).=A0 It's been my dream for a long time to run & own my own radio station.=A0 I know Scott, N0BST (please forgive me if the call is wrong), has expressed the same interest in the past.=A0 Unfortunately we are in different geographic locations but that is not a bad thing, which I will try to remember later. >=20 > I used to work @ a station which I tried to get to be stereo (or as much as I could).=A0 I spend 2 weekends with friends rewiring the board after MacGyvering enough audio cable to run a 2nd channel.=A0 It was labor intensive but well worth it.=A0 In fact, I still have the RCA cables which combined stereo to mono (make sure my good work wasn't undone!) for our production board.=A0 Anyway, that station is no longer around.=A0 BUT, I may have found a new frequency which may work better than the old one.=A0 I found what I think could be used as a tower site & best of all, I've accumulated equipment (or crap as some would say) for the past several years.=A0 To better understand what I'm going after: this city of 60,000 is so much a bubble that they actually WATCH the public access T.V. channels because the shows pertain to their town.=A0 I have NEVER come across another city that does this!=A0 So a radio station is a natural.=A0 But, what kind of radio station?=A0 Glad > you asked. >=20 > A.M. & of course, in stereo.=A0 For me to offer any different would be, to me, letting down the city.=A0 I believe that in offering the best that I can, people will support the station & get behind the station.=A0 That this station will be a living, breathing entity in the community.=A0 There's certainly enough business to go around. >=20 > We'd have to give away some stereo radios (what would be nice would be a pre-tuned model) because some people don't have the radios, of course.=A0 The format would nominally be "full service" but it wouldn't have much in the way of national blabbering.=A0 We tried that on the old station.=A0 It doesn't work.=A0 We were up to 41 hours of local programming when I left but it wasn't enough.=A0 Not for us & not for the city.=A0 We both wanted more! >=20 > Radio has lost its roots in that it doesn't have to bring the world into a small enclave.=A0 In fact in can bring that small enclave out to the world!=A0 Why not?!=A0 A radio station is more than just an invisible wave that gets pulled in by a small box.=A0 It has to be more because it's truly magical!=A0 That's what a lot of owners today just don't get.=A0 So, I choose to one day be one of those owners.=A0 Again, I know Scott has said he'd like to own a station one day.=A0 That would be good because then there would be 2 owners with a common goal in different parts of the country, hemisphere, world, whatever.=A0 2 more that say "wait, there's a better way & we're going to give it to you!"=A0 But, I'm greedy.=A0 I'd love to see more of you be able to do the same.=A0 I know some can't or have a lot of other things on your plates.=A0 That's understandable & fine.=A0 Nothing wrong with that.=A0 Again, we need listeners as much as listeners need something to listen to.=A0 > But I dream about hearing that P.E.I. got an A.M. back & in stereo, or Melbourne has one again.=A0 Even near Tampa or out west. >=20 > So before I've gone on too long, thank you for remaining part of the brotherhood & keeping the faith.=A0 These are dark times for A.M. stereo, but they could be worse & they could be better.=A0 So long as they could be better then there's something worth fighting for. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 05:25:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95884 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2008 12:25:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2008 12:25:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2008 12:25:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24279 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Sep 2008 12:25:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0DmrPqQVM1nBqv7w_xWL594sN8KPGa6f6m_LtteAMByNz2nhrDziSUPKUjzr0jziaGVjEq5P4Z7TgGXCR7Lqs1Y_jSxK1Mg.P80ykMtJBKByDP.D3xkWqJJxm6jP.0c94CxtFpU4hQCmrrS46.eWwasj X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 05:25:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 05:25:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <708367.23881.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re:My promised post as referenced in the earlier post X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=D3dg-m95VuywHuggKtIO88A9lIZodXQzAgkoM4sRwoqQHTVt3v2Sscs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I believe you're right about having a full-service AM that's live and local and stereo. CFCO in Chatham, Ontario fit that mold for a long time; their audio is in stereo on the cable TV 'bulletin board' channel, and CQuam over the air. Local remotes, local sports updates, local news at the top of every hour, 'tradio' ebay on the air, farm reports, weather 4x an hour, and they can even tell you what time it is, as they are live. In a smaller city, I think that this can still work. Good luck with the project! From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 14:18:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20062 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2008 21:18:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2008 21:18:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2008 21:18:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17515 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Sep 2008 21:18:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: sw1itdAVM1mNb9zCjACaATTD69IFXQwZu.NWa6Ww3gfR1BBt11M_5kUtkfu0oNMVxoiT1V0B8RCtMq_YyjatgfvcyLbikz18qi_ShY8_O0GArWErLrIxQNNxZ43il04D_dgEAi135PnhvXM5TNswo8EOPG2d2LGwAnzNTC_DtzjV2nzmxg-- X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:18:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:18:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <708367.23881.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <439572.16791.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:My promised post as referenced in the earlier post X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=JHz6RKNwIqx1u0zxf9bbCIaTDXfRf9a3PApWH9ln8Ypcm2OnabXd X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not so sure it can't work in a larger city.=A0 It's just they don't wan= t to try!=A0 They're too hip for that sort of thang, y'understand?=A0 I mea= n c'mon: N.Y.C. is basically a collection of smaller, distinct neighborhood= s! =A0 Yes, my station will have that & more. =A0 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Fri, 9/26/08, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Re:My promised post as referenced in the earlier post To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 8:25 AM I believe you're right about having a full-service AM that's live and local= and stereo. CFCO in Chatham, Ontario fit that mold for a long time; their = audio is in stereo on the cable TV 'bulletin board' channel, and CQuam over= the air. Local remotes, local sports updates, local news at the top of eve= ry hour, 'tradio' ebay on the air, farm reports, weather 4x an hour, and th= ey can even tell you what time it is, as they are live. In a smaller city, I think that this can still work. Good luck with the pro= ject! =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 14:39:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33024 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2008 21:39:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2008 21:39:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2008 21:39:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 85721 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Sep 2008 21:39:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kgxyBogVM1lwd_obFyk5Lskh.CA61DbxgRcKaQilaaSCEbRtqgv5YZVdK8lBhEe3csa_BGpTtpsKFDCPlojTFONJODl3P1o62GDbqR9I2lr_j7s_Km9X.BK2waine.G0rNphYNFJ7DUi6Z1ROuWK8ugZ18gjShA_6jsmiFed3mrWnb_gpmo- X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:39:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:39:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <439572.16791.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <350141.85633.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:My promised post as referenced in the earlier post X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=YOo1s4qx2_HaIC1QrXJqU30q8KOTP5DEGTv0YEH3ifkjNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 "too hip for that sort of thang, y'understand?"...hmm, now where have I hea= rd such talk before? You sound like you are ready to play stax o' wax to e= dify my eardrums, hits so wild I gotta change my clothes every time I hear'= em! Now all ya need is a poster of yourself that glows in the dark, HAVE MERCY! LOL :>) Seriously, I think if you DO do this, a few big stations are going to scrat= ch their corporate heads and say "Why didn't WE think of this?" Good luck! G --- On Fri, 9/26/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:My promised post as referenced in the earlier post > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 5:18 PM > I'm not so sure it can't work in a larger city.=A0 > It's just they don't want to try!=A0 They're too > hip for that sort of thang, y'understand?=A0 I mean > c'mon: N.Y.C. is basically a collection of smaller, > distinct neighborhoods! > =A0 > Yes, my station will have that & more. > =A0 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > --- On Fri, 9/26/08, John P. > wrote: >=20 > From: John P. > Subject: {AMSF} Re:My promised post as referenced in the > earlier post > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 8:25 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I believe you're right about having a full-service AM > that's live and local and stereo. CFCO in Chatham, > Ontario fit that mold for a long time; their audio is in > stereo on the cable TV 'bulletin board' channel, and > CQuam over the air. Local remotes, local sports updates, > local news at the top of every hour, 'tradio' ebay > on the air, farm reports, weather 4x an hour, and they can > even tell you what time it is, as they are live. > In a smaller city, I think that this can still work. Good > luck with the project! >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Sep 26 18:33:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93689 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2008 01:33:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2008 01:33:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2008 01:33:03 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.131] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080926203257100891500010.0) with SMTP id <20080926203257100891500010> for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:32:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00b101c92041$d376a160$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <991838.56649.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:32:57 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=CaDoUXsUvrqXfuCT6O5HD97D_oo98GB_r19K6QIEeuhgq0GglYpH X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is off topic, this is political, though I'm not interested in starting another prolonged flame war, just in getting an honest answer primarily from Democrats to my question: Does it bother you that such a high percentage of those being bailed out, be it Wall Street types or the folks running Fannie Mae, are sending freight cars full of cash to Obama? Of course you want your guy to have the cash to win the election, but doesn't it bother you when it comes from those whom you are most critical? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Maybe this "bailout" (read "handout to Wall St.") will fix things? I dont' think I'll hold my breath, I hate being blue! Oops, off topic again...I'll correct that by reporting on it over a C-QUAM station, hah-hah! G --- On Wed, 9/24/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 8:36 PM > If I could get a job so I could hang on to my house I would > thank God > constantly and think the economy was great. > > I can't wait until WPE [worst president ever] is out of > office so > maybe things can start to improve. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Sep 26 19:19:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95089 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2008 02:19:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2008 02:19:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s10.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.149) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2008 02:19:13 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W50 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s10.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:19:13 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:19:12 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: <00b101c92041$d376a160$d503fea9@stodd> References: <991838.56649.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00b101c92041$d376a160$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2008 02:19:13.0248 (UTC) FILETIME=[6EEBBE00:01C92047] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=BgFRklDyZPoy3-fKt2S510-bSmVKWQHGepaWuWfSSx4_Kc5y_rI184IdM1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It bothers me, although I'm not a registered Democrat, that most, if not all of these financial firms are shipping loads of money to both candidates. (to hedge their bets since one of these two men are going to inherit this big mess -- among others in January 2009) If I'm not mistaken, many of John McCain's top aides have been affiliated and taken money from some of these firms that are now asking for government handouts. In 2000, as a fellow veteran, I supported John McCain in the Republican primaries and I had someone on this list that lived in Arizona at the time tell me, that he wouldn't vote for McCain as a dogcatcher. Of course the John McCain in 2000 was a very different person than he is now and he seems to be doing a few flip flops lately (i.e. changing his views on torture, opposing restoration of the G.I. bill and of course keeping everyone in suspense as to whether he was going to participate in the first presidential debate or not._ It also bothers me that Henry/Hank Paulson until his appointment by the current administration was CEO of JP Morgan and was paid $40 million dollars for his last 18 months there and will most likely return to JP Morgan after January of 2009 and reap many more rewards; it almost seems like a conflict of interest to have Paulson to want to single handedly control this bailout. (or some call it corporate welfare). I'm sure I wouldn't agree with Senator Richard Shelby, Republican of Alabama, on all issues, but I sure do agree with him on this bailout/corporate welfare issue. Senator Shelby is one feisty guy and a true maverick! (as opposed to a former maverik) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: scottn0bst@usfamily.netDate: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:32:57 -0500Subject: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan This is off topic, this is political, though I'm not interested in starting another prolonged flame war, just in getting an honest answer primarily from Democrats to my question: Does it bother you that such a high percentage of those being bailed out, be it Wall Street types or the folks running Fannie Mae, are sending freight cars full of cash to Obama? Of course you want your guy to have the cash to win the election, but doesn't it bother you when it comes from those whom you are most critical?Scott Todd----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Maybe this "bailout" (read "handout to Wall St.") will fix things? I dont' think I'll hold my breath, I hate being blue!Oops, off topic again...I'll correct that by reporting on it over a C-QUAM station, hah-hah!G--- On Wed, 9/24/08, kevin redding wrote:> From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 8:36 PM> If I could get a job so I could hang on to my house I would> thank God > constantly and think the economy was great.> > I can't wait until WPE [worst president ever] is out of> office so > maybe things can start to improve. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From keith1226@yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 21:08:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60211 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2008 04:08:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2008 04:08:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.125) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2008 04:08:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2008 04:08:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2008 04:08:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:08:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.197.193.155 From: "Keith" Subject: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=Ct3GlSs_ht6Tci4G8JqW1a4xIhJ3JeADN6nIur-py8gZSNJc X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 It bothers me, if it's true, but not enough to make me want to vote for=20 George Bush III (aka McCain). If Wall Streeters are backing Obama, it's=20 because they see him as the likely winner, not because they necessarily=20 agree with his views, as Donn pointed out.=20 To be honest, I'm pretty disgusted with both political parties right=20 now: Bush, McCain, et al for lying to us for the past eight years about=20 9/11, the need for war in Iraq (look at all those WMDs we found!), the=20 economy, ad infinitum; and the Democrats for not putting up more of a=20 fight.=20 Obama has the confidence and energy to get us back on the right road=20 (and I hear he has a plan to revive AM stereo ;-). Keith B.=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Donn Tillman=20 wrote: > > It bothers me, although I'm not a registered Democrat, that most, if=20 not all of these financial firms are shipping loads of money to both=20 candidates. (to hedge their bets since one of these two men are going=20 to inherit this big mess -- among others in January 2009) >=20=20 > If I'm not mistaken, many of John McCain's top aides have been=20 affiliated and taken money from some of these firms that are now asking=20 for government handouts. >=20=20 From dav259@optusnet.com.au Fri Sep 26 23:18:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51738 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2008 06:18:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2008 06:18:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.190) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2008 06:18:01 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d122-104-65-57.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [122.104.65.57]) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m8R6HxhN003136 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:17:59 +1000 To: References: <991838.56649.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00b101c92041$d376a160$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:17:57 +1000 Message-ID: <068F042D2C204CA69B89003A47643531@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AckgR3JZrR5GEOCYS0ywTEk4MeO2UgAHxmzw X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=DIw-TDhyoOGkIVpJSFRAZK2KOtCe1EYVtg3TH4OpyMaK X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey - here's a different view from Downunder. Your political system suffers because the way it works it's simply a two party "first past the post" race. It doesn't work in any way like your forefathers planned it to. If you lot are seriously concerned about democracy it needs to be changed. All too often the huge corporations contribute heaps of "donations" to both parties, so whichever party wins will be beholden to them if they want a continuous flow of money. In a way it's one huge long massive advertising campaign. If only you had preferential voting (like we Aussies do). That would mean a vote for Ralph Nader, or any independent, wouldn't end up a wasted vote. If your first preference doesn't win 50% of the primary vote, your preference then is allocated to who you voted for as your second choice. etc. Arguably you get the least worst government, rather than one which may have only received 34% of the vote. Your trouble will be to get both of your big parties to agree with it. Not bloody likely I expect. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Sep 27 05:24:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38578 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2008 12:23:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2008 12:23:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms044pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.44) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2008 12:23:56 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K7U00CHDT3UT43A@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:23:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:23:56 -0400 To: Message-id: <3D75F5875CB741CA9D314B9CEF6573CE@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <991838.56649.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00b101c92041$d376a160$d503fea9@stodd> <068F042D2C204CA69B89003A47643531@seagull> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.44 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=fyghorys1RTMLbc3UHmbTkFNqnfnCSG8dUAPYkOyjKNVFg X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In my opinion, the main problem with the American system is that both parties have been taken over by the extremists. There is nowhere for moderates to go, and they're forced to vote for an extreme right or extreme left agenda. And the results are in the headlines every day. It's a sorry state of affairs. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:17 AM Subject: RE: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan Hey - here's a different view from Downunder. Your political system suffers because the way it works it's simply a two party "first past the post" race. It doesn't work in any way like your forefathers planned it to. If you lot are seriously concerned about democracy it needs to be changed. All too often the huge corporations contribute heaps of "donations" to both parties, so whichever party wins will be beholden to them if they want a continuous flow of money. In a way it's one huge long massive advertising campaign. If only you had preferential voting (like we Aussies do). That would mean a vote for Ralph Nader, or any independent, wouldn't end up a wasted vote. If your first preference doesn't win 50% of the primary vote, your preference then is allocated to who you voted for as your second choice. etc. Arguably you get the least worst government, rather than one which may have only received 34% of the vote. Your trouble will be to get both of your big parties to agree with it. Not bloody likely I expect. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 12:17:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66410 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2008 19:17:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2008 19:17:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.161) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2008 19:17:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2008 19:17:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2008 19:17:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:17:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 118.90.106.30 From: "alnairgrus" Subject: Election X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77954915; y=HPWOVVEjB5kCW16EST1pQhHEk_P3-9WjLjfl0GVJP9L9PCf42Q X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Dont care if they vote a monkey or a mouse if theyre so stupid,just=20 get the election over with and get back onto radio. From w6yn@juno.com Sat Sep 27 15:23:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72185 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2008 22:23:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2008 22:23:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2008 22:23:12 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail17.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.157]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEP7NS6A6MXCNJ for (sender ); Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:22:20 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDx3Nxe+wO0d9tZImjNa/9yA= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail17.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NV5MG4KE; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:21:22 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.242.187] by webmail17.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:21:05 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:21:05 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080927.152105.14016.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 17:8:1551453706 X-MAIL-INFO: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 8ce80d55d525f99c1955cc0d0da1652165ccccd91dcc7d0001084c8da51da5d16d493c X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.157|webmail17.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=5C19M5ROBeMF6GUMWJayqGattqLu8aXnlw7TKESKmg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Frankly, I'm disappointed and disgusted... as I watch them attempt to stron= g-arm a bailout of some of America's biggest corporations by asking the tax= payers to suck up the staggering results of the hubris, greed, and arroganc= e of those who sought to make a quick buck by throwing the dice. Let's get one thing straight. We can assign a lot of blame for this crisis= ... there is certainly a lot to go around. Hubris and greed on Wall Street = played a significant part... But let's not get so distracted that we forget the real irony here... namel= y that those who are now pretending to come to the rescue with solutions li= ke knights on white horses -- I'm talking about the men and women we elect = to Congress -- bear a LARGE share of the blame! They all lived off big campaign contributions and the swill of the lobbyist= s who strong armed them into permission to steal. The people who are going to steer this plan through Congress are the very c= haracters who brought us this crisis. And they are already looking for poli= tical and financial goodies they can hang on to the plan." It's sickening! And, who is one of the main culprits? None other than Senator Barack Obama! But there is another cause of this crisis that we cannot ignore: the near-i= ncestuous relationship between politicians and big-time government-supporte= d financial institutions. Fannie and Freddie spent more than $200 million lobbying Congress over the = past decade. Among politicians, Barack Obama ranked number three in terms o= f campaign contributions received from the two agencies=97more than $100,00= 0. His chief adviser in the vice-presidential vetting process is a former C= EO of Fannie Mae. As our political leaders wrangle and haggle and jockey to score political p= oints, it would be nice to let them know that we are not fooled are some of= us fully aware of the roll they played in this mess.=20 Don -- wrote: This is off topic, this is political, though I'm not interested in starting= another prolonged flame war, just in getting an honest answer primarily fr= om Democrats to my question: Does it bother you that such a high percentag= e of those being bailed out, be it Wall Street types or the folks running F= annie Mae, are sending freight cars full of cash to Obama? Of course you w= ant your guy to have the cash to win the election, but doesn't it bother yo= u when it comes from those whom you are most critical? Scott Todd =20=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Maybe this "bailout" (read "handout to Wall St.") will fix things? I don= t' think I'll hold my breath, I hate being blue! Oops, off topic again...I'll correct that by reporting on it over a C-QUA= M station, hah-hah! G --- On Wed, 9/24/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 8:36 PM > If I could get a job so I could hang on to my house I would > thank God=20=20 > constantly and think the economy was great. >=20 > I can't wait until WPE [worst president ever] is out of > office so=20=20 > maybe things can start to improve.=20 =20=20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 15:36:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94807 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2008 22:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2008 22:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.223) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2008 22:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2008 22:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.240] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2008 22:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp401.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2008 22:36:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 542629.83552.bm@omp401.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 81333 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2008 22:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.149 with plain) by smtp125.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2008 22:36:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EaLIMNoVM1mtIZNqfmjlZI.kn3VkVQshkGL4pK3lcRelciVAh.Qm_EY_eJRb4evP1viELHC_b4holk7TNbDesgyAiA5KigiqYDMABVU5FAYx3AIhCgktq5f0NY5ZbLWfwReIKkvnQHLmrmJhlaW3eeo6yH0- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20080927.152105.14016.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> References: <20080927.152105.14016.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:36:05 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=ctu9M6H6Rn25M-WHXOAcsDHugLO1FJ4pd68Vqc2PJLuqvGiRSA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:21 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > None other than Senator Barack Obama! None other than the lying thiefs of the Republican party and the worthless illuminati suckers in the freakin Bush Crime Family. I love to see you Don and Scott Todd take up for worthless scum bags like McThuselah McBush McSame McCain and the slimy Republicans thieves. I can't wait until they are destroyed in this election. Your party's crappy candidate was there for 26 years and did nothing. Nothing, Zero, Nada, Nil, Zip./And his female moron from Alaska, I am sure you are going to tell me she is ready to lead the nation. What did McDramaqueen do to stop any of this for the 26 years he was in office. NOTHING other than get involved in the Keating Five Scandal, another banking crisis. Vote for him. You like it, so vote for it. Don, you gotta be kidding all of us. You gotta be deluded or another rich joker with your hand out for more corporate welfare and rich guy tax cuts. Vote for your Republikan criminals so you can get more of this awful government we have endured for 8 years. You deserve them. Good luck with that, guy. Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Sat Sep 27 16:00:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27202 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2008 23:00:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2008 23:00:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2008 23:00:17 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail17.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.157]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEP7QZPALL5BFA for (sender ); Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:59:57 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD3ndPOWsYvwvkobTm3MCT3I= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail17.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NV5PM7YX; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:59:07 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.242.187] by webmail17.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:58:58 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:58:58 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080927.155858.14016.2@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 10:5:2587746654 X-MAIL-INFO:21eb6ebf43ba3b439b936a7e77bacedf5abbf75e1e77abd3 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.157|webmail17.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=Zhqi_gL3opHd0rg1bfZ3w4LmyUk52ocFa8HV07G0Xg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Keven, I am sorry you are still having cognitive deficiencies. Be sure to tell your doctor about your problem. I'm sure he can offer assis= tance in some form. You seem to be very bitter for some reason. Casting aspersions and invective name calling do not support your position = or help others to give your opinions any credence. Let me know if I may help you overcome your malady. Don -- kevin redding wrote: None other than the lying thiefs of the Republican party and the=20=20 worthless illuminati suckers in the freakin Bush Crime Family. I love to see you Don and Scott Todd take up for worthless scum bags=20=20 like McThuselah McBush McSame McCain and the slimy Republicans thieves. I can't wait until they are destroyed in this election. Your party's crappy candidate was there for 26 years and did nothing.=20=20 Nothing, Zero, Nada, Nil, Zip./And his female moron from Alaska, I=20=20 am sure you are going to tell me she is ready to lead the nation. What did McDramaqueen do to stop any of this for the 26 years he was=20=20 in office. NOTHING other than get involved in the Keating Five=20=20 Scandal, another banking crisis. Vote for him. You like it, so vote=20=20 for it. Don, you gotta be kidding all of us. You gotta be deluded or another=20=20 rich joker with your hand out for more corporate welfare and rich guy=20=20 tax cuts. Vote for your Republikan criminals so you can get more of this awful=20=20 government we have endured for 8 years. You deserve them. Good luck with that, guy. Kevin On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:21 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: (EDITED) > None other than Senator Barack Obama! =20 From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Sep 27 16:48:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34770 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2008 23:48:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2008 23:48:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.49) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2008 23:48:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2008 23:48:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2008 23:48:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:48:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.8.245.188 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=QX_Z3doDcp60oEB2Mw8E5SAG5vxlI81_0etcgbQ2c-jWiyc X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > >=20 > On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:21 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: >=20 > > None other than Senator Barack Obama! >=20 It's Obama's fault ? you have GOT to be kidding , right ? Mmmmmm, maybe Rush or Hannity said so (gee what a surprise) ..but I=20 think there is plenty of blame to go around. Everyone seems so bitter, and rightfuly so.....but let's look at the=20 bright side of things...The Vice Presidential debates are coming up=20 on Thursday.=20 As the conservative columnist Kathleen Parker has said,=20 "If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself". She has also suggested that Palin should drop out.....Never !...Stay=20 the course Sarah....remeber, you can see Russia from your house. Looking forward to the show..... Tell a friend, and bring some popcorn. Juan From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 17:01:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45878 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 00:01:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 00:01:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.24) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 00:01:24 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n32.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 00:01:24 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.240] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 00:01:24 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp401.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 00:01:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 665599.24122.bm@omp401.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 65729 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 00:01:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.149 with plain) by smtp126.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 00:01:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: L154H_oVM1k.zTUMqguW3D30xB61zib__N7BdrAqlck74YC4y5qrNIkHYjPjdwujfQqEO8zcENZZ1xr0imSFaPoWpXiYE9_R8GuABLzCmd94sRo0h9IjQdgpxNkXCmNL8WGvOYiWpE2PRm2H4G642_1fQoQ- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20080927.155858.14016.2@webmail17.dca.untd.com> References: <20080927.155858.14016.2@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:01:22 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=K6z3GBe5es2S1z7WYjZOBzxK_ZSsXSgtykT--zExc6DkFxHeqA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:58 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Let me know if I may help you overcome your malady. No, you're a Republikan and a McBush guy. No help for you. Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Sat Sep 27 17:15:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2569 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 00:15:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 00:15:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 00:15:57 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail06.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.146]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEP7VFYAW6BDNJ for (sender ); Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:15:50 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD2jxc2iwehykPoz0ym3ttWs= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail06.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NV5TZ7Y5; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:15:34 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.242.187] by webmail06.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:15:03 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:15:03 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080927.171503.23601.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 23:11:2575246206 X-MAIL-INFO:53cd84f1b16d5099d051b484fda46df445895d5dd10d41d13971c9f96ded3825047d0455793871d9a19d51091171a160c1d5f5440944f9013d81 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.146|webmail06.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=4HXVTqLnAr8HHHg12c9imU6cUaHkXCKZECursFdIXg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn -- "Juan Gualda" wrote: It's Obama's fault ? you have GOT to be kidding , right ? --------------------------- Juan, No! I did not write "It's Obama's fault."=20 This is what I wrote: "Frankly, I'm disappointed and disgusted... as I watch them attempt to stro= ng-arm a=20 bailout of some of America's biggest corporations by asking the taxpayers t= o suck up the=20 staggering results of the hubris, greed, and arrogance of those who sought = to make a=20 quick buck by throwing the dice. Let's get one thing straight. We can assign a lot of blame for this crisis= ... there is=20 certainly a lot to go around. Hubris and greed on Wall Street played a sign= ificant=20 part... But let's not get so distracted that we forget the real irony here... namel= y that those=20 who are now pretending to come to the rescue with solutions like knights on= white horses=20 -- I'm talking about the men and women we elect to Congress -- bear a LARGE= share of the=20 blame! They all lived off big campaign contributions and the swill of the lobbyist= s who strong=20 armed them into permission to steal. The people who are going to steer this plan through Congress are the very c= haracters who=20 brought us this crisis. And they are already looking for political and fina= ncial goodies=20 they can hang on to the plan." It's sickening! And, who is one of the main culprits? None other than Senator Barack Obama! But there is another cause of this crisis that we cannot ignore: the near-i= ncestuous=20 relationship between politicians and big-time government-supported financia= l=20 institutions. Fannie and Freddie spent more than $200 million lobbying Congress over the = past decade.=20 Among politicians, Barack Obama ranked number three in terms of campaign co= ntributions=20 received from the two agencies=97more than $100,000. His chief adviser in t= he=20 vice-presidential vetting process is a former CEO of Fannie Mae. As our political leaders wrangle and haggle and jockey to score political p= oints, it=20 would be nice to let them know that we are not fooled are some of us fully = aware of the=20 roll they played in this mess.=20 Don -- "Juan Gualda" wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > >=20 > On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:21 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: >=20 > > None other than Senator Barack Obama! >=20 It's Obama's fault ? you have GOT to be kidding , right ? Mmmmmm, maybe Rush or Hannity said so (gee what a surprise) ..but I=20 think there is plenty of blame to go around. Everyone seems so bitter, and rightfuly so.....but let's look at the=20 bright side of things...The Vice Presidential debates are coming up=20 on Thursday.=20 As the conservative columnist Kathleen Parker has said,=20 "If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself". She has also suggested that Palin should drop out.....Never !...Stay=20 the course Sarah....remeber, you can see Russia from your house. Looking forward to the show..... Tell a friend, and bring some popcorn. Juan From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Sep 27 17:49:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79187 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 00:48:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 00:48:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.208) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 00:48:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 00:48:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 00:48:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:48:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080927.171503.23601.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.8.245.188 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=xnX1PNryWKMab0jOb3euNcnUR1YaiZ3_xGMytZwvPZCaav8 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Don, It's Agreed that our political "representatives" no longer represent=20 the people, but have become pigs at the money trough..... No matter who you or I vote for, the sad thing is almost half of the=20 eligible people who are registered to vote will not.....No matter how=20 bad things get. So sad. PS.... Alabama is putting a whooping on the Dawgs......OUCH ! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" =20 wrote: > > -- "Juan Gualda" wrote: > It's Obama's fault ? >=20 > you have GOT to be kidding , right ? >=20 > --------------------------- > Juan, >=20 > No! I did not write "It's Obama's fault."=20 >=20 > This is what I wrote: >=20 >=20 > "Frankly, I'm disappointed and disgusted... as I watch them attempt=20 to strong-arm a=20 > bailout of some of America's biggest corporations by asking the=20 taxpayers to suck up the=20 > staggering results of the hubris, greed, and arrogance of those who=20 sought to make a=20 > quick buck by throwing the dice. >=20 > Let's get one thing straight. We can assign a lot of blame for=20 this crisis... there is=20 > certainly a lot to go around. Hubris and greed on Wall Street=20 played a significant=20 > part... >=20 > But let's not get so distracted that we forget the real irony=20 here... namely that those=20 > who are now pretending to come to the rescue with solutions like=20 knights on white horses=20 > -- I'm talking about the men and women we elect to Congress -- bear=20 a LARGE share of the=20 > blame! >=20 > They all lived off big campaign contributions and the swill of the=20 lobbyists who strong=20 > armed them into permission to steal. >=20 > The people who are going to steer this plan through Congress are=20 the very characters who=20 > brought us this crisis. And they are already looking for political=20 and financial goodies=20 > they can hang on to the plan." >=20 > It's sickening! >=20 > And, who is one of the main culprits? >=20 > None other than Senator Barack Obama! >=20 >=20 > But there is another cause of this crisis that we cannot ignore:=20 the near-incestuous=20 > relationship between politicians and big-time government-supported=20 financial=20 > institutions. >=20 > Fannie and Freddie spent more than $200 million lobbying Congress=20 over the past decade.=20 > Among politicians, Barack Obama ranked number three in terms of=20 campaign contributions=20 > received from the two agencies=97more than $100,000. His chief=20 adviser in the=20 > vice-presidential vetting process is a former CEO of Fannie Mae. >=20 > As our political leaders wrangle and haggle and jockey to score=20 political points, it=20 > would be nice to let them know that we are not fooled are some of=20 us fully aware of the=20 > roll they played in this mess.=20 >=20 > Don >=20 >=20 > -- "Juan Gualda" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 > wrote: > > > >=20 > > On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:21 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > >=20 > > > None other than Senator Barack Obama! > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > It's Obama's fault ? >=20 > you have GOT to be kidding , right ? >=20 >=20 > Mmmmmm, maybe Rush or Hannity said so (gee what a surprise) ..but I=20 > think there is plenty of blame to go around. >=20 > Everyone seems so bitter, and rightfuly so.....but let's look at=20 the=20 > bright side of things...The Vice Presidential debates are coming up=20 > on Thursday.=20 > As the conservative columnist Kathleen Parker has said,=20 > "If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself". >=20 > She has also suggested that Palin should drop=20 out.....Never !...Stay=20 > the course Sarah....remeber, you can see Russia from your house. >=20 >=20 > Looking forward to the show..... >=20 > Tell a friend, and bring some popcorn. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Juan > From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 18:00:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43398 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 01:00:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 01:00:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.41) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 01:00:47 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n14.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 01:00:43 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.246] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 01:00:43 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 01:00:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 676551.94312.bm@omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 58107 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 01:00:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.149 with plain) by smtp114.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 01:00:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 37JPeA0VM1nvBFFYA8rnnbDcdGvzMZML116JQFITxXRyBRZLaVxf4PeQAG16b_2SfvCVmEMkjZlGNr850rMaXKY_PUHgrgGf.ciFVG7t7.7FV5bjytPQriZpkKOWDNQvn6U7XWPCaHnF4c6f7984aT_L.TU- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:00:41 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=zNQ15S86Zf_lOVqeYWpQLHXvMPbGCOG7lp_1a_pnNeH6k0feNw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Alabama is putting a whooping on the Dawgs......OUCH ! 31-0 I am sure Ira New is about to rip out all his red hair! Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 19:48:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20396 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 02:48:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 02:48:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 02:48:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21898 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2008 02:48:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IjRpLvQVM1m8SH_KffhmaVxsFqXVSGbj.D_r7M5n1LK2RwMmVDVq_YxuhCmTpGqEE4vPGewad_RQhnWCVMFaO_T8Z3kJ.CAdd_vWN.eEGLmz9sm.OfBUoPehoQboxDWVI0BKS.1HyXRh_2xG1UOsMyJoeA_wQKumOQr_GYPiL7lw3TWxUNM- X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:48:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:48:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <068F042D2C204CA69B89003A47643531@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <316680.19965.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 From: george russell Subject: RE: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Ech1qnzJxn0tu7ykLvQJw0R-nF-DqkPKxx5nwP11yXwjWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Hello, Ian! Years ago, when I lived there, Cincinnati, Ohio used just such an election process as you outline, for electing city council members and the mayor. I thought it was a great idea, and to tell you the truth, I don't know the REAL reason they stopped doing it. (I was told that it was "too complicated"...for who?) But you are absolutely right, donations make the wheel of corruption go 'round, and until somebody with (a) the power to change it, and (b) the moral character to do so comes along, I am afraid we are stuck with the current mess. BTW, is Dick Patterson still at Radio Australia? He actually took a phone request from me years ago, and played it! Kinda cool being told "hello" over the air from 12,000+ miles away! Regards from the land where the toilets swirl the other direction (ha-ha) George --- On Sat, 9/27/08, Ian Davidson wrote: > From: Ian Davidson > Subject: RE: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 2:17 AM > Hey - here's a different view from Downunder. > > Your political system suffers because the way it works > it's simply a two > party "first past the post" race. It doesn't > work in any way like your > forefathers planned it to. If you lot are seriously > concerned about > democracy it needs to be changed. > > All too often the huge corporations contribute heaps of > "donations" to both > parties, so whichever party wins will be beholden to them > if they want a > continuous flow of money. In a way it's one huge long > massive advertising > campaign. > > If only you had preferential voting (like we Aussies do). > That would mean a > vote for Ralph Nader, or any independent, wouldn't end > up a wasted vote. If > your first preference doesn't win 50% of the primary > vote, your preference > then is allocated to who you voted for as your second > choice. etc. > Arguably you get the least worst government, rather than > one which may have > only received 34% of the vote. > > Your trouble will be to get both of your big parties to > agree with it. Not > bloody likely I expect. > > > Ian > Melbourne > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 20:00:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46382 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 03:00:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 03:00:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 03:00:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 95470 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2008 03:00:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FbccXgMVM1nOA4oxQWX7mpJcqDkhFzIKK0fzafbxQw5FD1ykFgTo3mDdp6E3KbZ7dnTzAmOjWyYKzpdRjEAKEUIJ2mZ134lQNx4VmvV18Lf3vBGURclxaqlQnPryj96q0t_rIKyC7VhHkPfvRO7KvVQ8 X-Received: from [72.241.176.83] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:00:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:00:28 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <128535.95252.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re:OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=L0FL3n3DaDZkVCFqfHiVl7noeb_XNe-Qdk8RmWg5XJ_oeMxO6pQZGro X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio It bothers me that the drunken sailers on Wall Street made boatloads of money, and now we have to pay for it in the form of taxes for years to come. $700 billion would have bought health insurance for every child in our country. Could have bought HDTV's for every home in America - the whole TV, not just a $40 box, and AM Stereo radios! Doesn't matter which party, this mess should have never gotten to this point. The fact that G.W. Bush is pushing so hard for it makes me like it even less, as I don't trust a word he says anymore since he's lied to the American public so much over the years on important issues. From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 20:11:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99711 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 03:11:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 03:11:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.50) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 03:11:53 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n31.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 03:11:53 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.245] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 03:11:53 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 03:11:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 657021.98506.bm@omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 42076 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 03:11:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.149 with plain) by smtp118.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 03:11:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RXKqaTMVM1l9jq5MtFXvOXc5vIMBQeysLK.TcPkckhzq29pXeR9lSUbEmOyd2FCcjmqvMjRIvXoeNBfIISq6ydVhGEFVEZ9U0e2D8iDNdkN4aCniUdZOXfwW6yJXr8Q51m28RWZ_rgmZQG5d_AnoTfYmK10- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <128535.95252.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <128535.95252.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4633608F-C16D-469C-83A4-75F4FF0AC430@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:11:51 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=a-xCfznT-pgzVdhW9N8vqt1g5sKjJdIavJ4RHf-Verk0ni_z8g X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > It bothers me that the drunken sailers on Wall Street made > boatloads of money, and now we have to pay for it in the form of > taxes for years to come. $700 billion would have bought health > insurance for every child in our country. Johnny Electron, The CEO of WaMu has been in charge for three weeks. WaMu crashed. In the CEOs contract it stipulates that if the company goes down which it did, or if he gets fired or released he gets 18 million dollars. Not too bad for three weeks work, don't you think? Meanwhile, we get hosed into paying it. Bush wants the bailout bad. Makes me think about how he pushed the unnecessary Iraq war and the Patriot Act. When I think about that, it makes me feel the Republikans are up to something that is going to hurt the working guy again. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 20:13:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11503 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 03:13:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 03:13:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 03:13:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98424 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2008 03:13:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KW9an80VM1kgS8.267f2VfPtz4lLT_TgoslzVzC9BtJLUM8xit9yFCPhyZMlnZAXfiYweq_1epJ7YUP4yOi.BKdPSpbHmAeCfr11ZU44H6a12_gsLAMAiYY7_XtI7EbA3s1FfbJddbhA6LGs19oLMVqbSmYoF9aVciVl3KDlVWiYR3yPabY- X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:13:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:13:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <316001.98048.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=nG7rgxZm4mwo_nW4k0TItndbNg5R6WqMsUXSR7WSfsNCRA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Kevin, glad you mentioned Keating! That scumbag (I'm being nice) ranted and raved about morality, decrying the mass distribution of pornography, proclaiming long and loud that we must get back to Christian values in this country. Sound familiar? Yeah, it's a common mantra of the right... "God is a Republican". And just what was Mr. Keating ALSO doing while he was riding high in his pulpit? You got it! Screwed countless old people out of their life savings! Now there is some REAL Christian values for you! I guess these holier-than-though Bible-thumping sanctimonious weasels somehow missed that one commandment in their own book... "Though shall not STEAL"! (Think maybe they also missed "Thou shall not lie", and maybe even one or two more...) I can only hope eventually, before it is too late (if it isn't already), people will wake up, turn off the ball game, put down the beer, and use that gray stuff between their ears for what God intended it...THINK! Am I saying the left is lilly-white? Of course not, we all know about Slick Willy, Monica, and the DNA-doused blue dress, BUT, at least he wasn't pretending to be some super saint, hiding behind the likes of Jerry Falwell! Sorry, but to me anybody that can spew pseudo-religious babbling while at the same time they screw hard-working Americans to support their elitist evil selves is just a plain old HYPOCRITE!!! I'm no religious scholar, just a common born-again hillbilly, but I am pretty sure of one thing...Jesus probably wouldn't vote for some of these phony Pharesees that claim to do everything in his name! Obama maybe isn't the best the DNC could come up with, but four more years of trickle down economics (the rich make the billions, then let just enough trickle down to keep the rest of us indebted to them) and supply-side economics (the very thing that caused the housing price drop in the first place...too much supply for the current demand) scares me worse than a night sleeping in a back alley in Detroit...un-armed! Why be afraid of Obama? what is he going to do, start a war? HELLO! "W" beat him to it! G --- On Sat, 9/27/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 6:36 PM > On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:21 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > > None other than Senator Barack Obama! > > > None other than the lying thiefs of the Republican party > and the > worthless illuminati suckers in the freakin Bush Crime > Family. > > I love to see you Don and Scott Todd take up for worthless > scum bags > like McThuselah McBush McSame McCain and the slimy > Republicans thieves. > > I can't wait until they are destroyed in this election. > > Your party's crappy candidate was there for 26 years > and did nothing. > Nothing, Zero, Nada, Nil, Zip./And his female moron from > Alaska, I > am sure you are going to tell me she is ready to lead the > nation. > > What did McDramaqueen do to stop any of this for the 26 > years he was > in office. NOTHING other than get involved in the Keating > Five > Scandal, another banking crisis. Vote for him. You like it, > so vote > for it. > > Don, you gotta be kidding all of us. You gotta be deluded > or another > rich joker with your hand out for more corporate welfare > and rich guy > tax cuts. > > Vote for your Republikan criminals so you can get more of > this awful > government we have endured for 8 years. You deserve them. > > Good luck with that, guy. > > Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 20:15:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83287 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 03:15:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 03:15:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 03:15:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 41188 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2008 03:15:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qjANsdQVM1ktMFTnKJP6b0PFDkG0XEGCD8jmw5QGmfR4uoTGULCcDRcg_ez5qCHBl320Nu0vEI3yoLrX9l51Wmv6dHF6bml8qI.s5etRyeRE5Zc6im5Rty291Ht2SiMYKIjWQCfuQZ7uk3kPfEEwapuGwLcIhp9tS373V9TJCB3v3jvgUS0- X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:15:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:15:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <133758.40667.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=SIsKJClnUZE3fJPQdSJfhQxzj8Y_cVg7l5c_dRFgXIc2xw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Popcorn? Nah, for something like this, I think Pepto Bismol might be better! G --- On Sat, 9/27/08, Juan Gualda wrote: > From: Juan Gualda > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 7:48 PM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding > > wrote: > > > > > > On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:21 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > > > > None other than Senator Barack Obama! > > > > > > It's Obama's fault ? > > you have GOT to be kidding , right ? > > > Mmmmmm, maybe Rush or Hannity said so (gee what a surprise) > ..but I > think there is plenty of blame to go around. > > Everyone seems so bitter, and rightfuly so.....but > let's look at the > bright side of things...The Vice Presidential debates are > coming up > on Thursday. > As the conservative columnist Kathleen Parker has said, > "If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street > herself". > > She has also suggested that Palin should drop out.....Never > !...Stay > the course Sarah....remeber, you can see Russia from your > house. > > > Looking forward to the show..... > > Tell a friend, and bring some popcorn. > > > > Juan From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 20:21:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10788 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 03:21:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 03:21:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 03:21:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7162 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2008 03:21:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ggrSZVgVM1mcOcQNTCgCguteXVZmXw.eaiRH97N0knNShvSxiavD1pIqGlp7WUd2l7bfagcuNmD31PEm6lOinIUyoajQmti3_C2VLkIJIzSxs.6kLBLJ4PJ6R2JpF5aG4sm5LCwKgr2OGsDZHDqbj_ctXW06l0Jm_DKWRXdsdRZhQd9hgTs- X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:21:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:21:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <512166.5016.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=vy1gsspbyPyMy-IAGzEdBofdHvVl_t1V0ScA2n5YjKPO-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 So she can see Russia from her house (what incredible eyesight!), so what? I often see Canada from where I go hiking, so maybe I am now an expert on diplomacy between the U.S. and Canada? Gee, and I listen to Tejano music, so maybe I could be the ambassador to both Canada and Mexico at the same time...WOW! A DOUBLE paycheck! This just keeps getting more like an "Twilight Xone" marathon every day. This debate ought to be better than a three ring circus, I hope my sides don't hurt so much from laughing that I miss work the next day. :>) G --- On Sat, 9/27/08, Juan Gualda wrote: > From: Juan Gualda > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 7:48 PM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding > > wrote: > > > > > > On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:21 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > > > > None other than Senator Barack Obama! > > > > > > It's Obama's fault ? > > you have GOT to be kidding , right ? > > > Mmmmmm, maybe Rush or Hannity said so (gee what a surprise) > ..but I > think there is plenty of blame to go around. > > Everyone seems so bitter, and rightfuly so.....but > let's look at the > bright side of things...The Vice Presidential debates are > coming up > on Thursday. > As the conservative columnist Kathleen Parker has said, > "If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street > herself". > > She has also suggested that Palin should drop out.....Never > !...Stay > the course Sarah....remeber, you can see Russia from your > house. > > > Looking forward to the show..... > > Tell a friend, and bring some popcorn. > > > > Juan From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 20:23:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81695 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 03:23:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 03:23:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 03:23:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19140 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2008 03:23:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VoMdIaoVM1l5wSfMa_vxrEScvRExklPJoU6PZsNsU.u6FS0JmK4DvKksX8S.McDFc2vsbOod3XgZVhVE1nGwfE2TEy3dDJWDVBGS0n5MghzsG9a_Uk3wEj.cFK.soHm5K77BYvuQMNzOfyx3vT4F9seqeS3TAX.RK1Yod0OzMwJcp2TOj0Q- X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:23:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:23:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <128535.95252.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <906980.18980.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re:OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=1stkN-b417yCpD5Z2hmtwk0mnY5iecc7m2Juxno1n49rWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 WHAT? BUSH LIED? Oh, your right...his lips DID move! :>) --- On Sat, 9/27/08, John P. wrote: > From: John P. > Subject: Re:OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migr > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 11:00 PM > It bothers me that the drunken sailers on Wall Street made > boatloads of money, and now we have to pay for it in the > form of taxes for years to come. $700 billion would have > bought health insurance for every child in our country. > Could have bought HDTV's for every home in America - the > whole TV, not just a $40 box, and AM Stereo radios! > > Doesn't matter which party, this mess should have never > gotten to this point. > The fact that G.W. Bush is pushing so hard for it makes me > like it even less, as I don't trust a word he says > anymore since he's lied to the American public so much > over the years on important issues. From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 20:25:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41729 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 03:25:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 03:25:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 03:25:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6261 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2008 03:25:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iODuNNUVM1nOlJZw3cHy_P6JBGyO8fMXXiHGe91GxGFdB4b4o6H7IqPhPfEfnHcWF9Q5xzeaeTOjnB2p8n8AeTkIlFIM8Gt5Xm6WknFGBgrOUdKjFdYKc8v2GEwoHtzaHj1KnccPjhxZZtFteadoqP5FoKJL_KD3CA2Toseb7LNRzgnO1PU- X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:25:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:25:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4633608F-C16D-469C-83A4-75F4FF0AC430@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <459260.5567.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=SE5O8Vs7A1zVWiRFaAeWo390Sm8N6vlHFqIXkxCFa6oeAA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 At least YOU are thinking for yourself, Kevin...watch out, that scares the powers-that-be worse than an alien invasion! G --- On Sat, 9/27/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migr > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 11:11 PM > > It bothers me that the drunken sailers on Wall Street > made > > boatloads of money, and now we have to pay for it in > the form of > > taxes for years to come. $700 billion would have > bought health > > insurance for every child in our country. > > Johnny Electron, > > The CEO of WaMu has been in charge for three weeks. WaMu > crashed. In > the CEOs contract it stipulates that if the company goes > down which > it did, or if he gets fired or released he gets 18 million > dollars. > Not too bad for three weeks work, don't you think? > > Meanwhile, we get hosed into paying it. > > Bush wants the bailout bad. Makes me think about how he > pushed the > unnecessary Iraq war and the Patriot Act. When I think > about that, it > makes me feel the Republikans are up to something that is > going to > hurt the working guy again. > > Kevin From dav259@optusnet.com.au Sat Sep 27 20:43:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73023 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 03:43:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 03:43:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.189) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 03:43:24 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d122-104-65-57.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [122.104.65.57]) by mail08.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m8S3hEO1020699 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:43:15 +1000 To: References: <068F042D2C204CA69B89003A47643531@seagull> <316680.19965.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:43:11 +1000 Message-ID: <91445E71A6B1478EB471F5646188CBE5@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <316680.19965.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> thread-index: AckhFLn5OfcdfizkRe6fQCm8WDdIfgAAm1QQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.189 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=bNAG7Q2TwrCO0MsoilpmmQhMgRRoaX8LnfI8phRghaox X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit G'day George Radio Australia broadcasts from the ABC's Southbank complex about 5k (3 miles) from here. Unfortunately it's not on the AM band where most Aussies could hear it. But our (publicly funded) ABC does provide five separate radio networks available to 95% of the population. A great service ... ad free! Any prospective government which tried to knobble our ABC would simply never get elected. It would seem that Dick Patterson (like Elvis) has left the building. Our electoral system is not that complicated. They start by sorting ballot papers (entered in lead pencil) by first preferences. If someone has 50% + 1 they are elected. If not, they go to the lowest pile, and top up all the other piles with the second preferences from that pile. etc. etc. As soon as one pile has 50% + 1 that person is elected. We have a very good independent government funded Australian Electoral Commision. It runs pretty much all elections - federal, state, and local with no controversy and a minimum of fuss. It also is available to run (at a price) other important elections like union ballots, company boards of directors, etc. Voting here ends at 6:00 pm, and usually the result is known by 10:00 pm. Much earlier if it's a landslide, much later otherwise, but generally we go to bed knowing who the elected government is. Our Senate much like (and designed on) yours is the States' house voted in by proportional representation. In a close election the result may take a few days. New Zealand has gone on to a much more complex but even better and fairer system than ours. They have multi-candidate electorates. So that pretty much anyone can confidently vote that their preferred candidate will end up in the parliament even if that party doesn't actually win the election. Tasmania has a similar system here with its State elections. Hey - I'm surprised that a Yank would mention the "T" word. I've always thought that in Oz we have toilets ... in America you have bathrooms. :) Cheers from Downunder! Ian Melbourne From: george russell Hello, Ian! Years ago, when I lived there, Cincinnati, Ohio used just such an election process as you outline, for electing city council members and the mayor. I thought it was a great idea, and to tell you the truth, I don't know the REAL reason they stopped doing it. (I was told that it was "too complicated"...for who?) But you are absolutely right, donations make the wheel of corruption go 'round, and until somebody with (a) the power to change it, and (b) the moral character to do so comes along, I am afraid we are stuck with the current mess. BTW, is Dick Patterson still at Radio Australia? He actually took a phone request from me years ago, and played it! Kinda cool being told "hello" over the air from 12,000+ miles away! Regards from the land where the toilets swirl the other direction (ha-ha) George [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 20:52:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1666 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 03:52:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 03:52:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n22.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.161) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 03:52:41 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.225] by n22.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 03:52:41 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.250] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 03:52:41 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 03:52:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 357455.9037.bm@omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 86320 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 03:52:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.149 with plain) by smtp124.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 03:52:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .cA39PMVM1kM_ZJtIbiVcTjACIISIQTAjh8IGA6BExHe5kZKK.InDXNd_Uw4QolrFA9nAAUlKIK9rfDjFCXRZR.t.hc9sLkP_azxnKvPD2qfdFDye7.jRHFQAirnD9vPJmwxd2Y0ugKZcCsCEwGdtg1.PSA- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <316001.98048.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <316001.98048.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6EDBA792-8936-41CF-A41A-51C98E8AD00F@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:52:36 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=vF6eOLtObrZLzD0T5Jte-RZBBQs4-mOWDIwNl5szzpiqjEL7MA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Kevin, glad you mentioned Keating! That scumbag (I'm being nice) > ranted and raved about morality, decrying the mass distribution of > pornography, proclaiming long and loud that we must get back to > Christian values in this country. Sound familiar? Yeah, it's a > common mantra of the right... George, I got a long memory. I remember seeing that criminal McBush trying to squirm out of his part in the Keating Five. > "God is a Republican" I don't think God would be like Jack Abramoff, David Safavian, Tom Foley trying to get a little from the teenaged male pages in congress or in a Minneapolis mens room trying to get gay sex. But it sure is fun watching the Republikans trying to defend this stuff. I like it when they vote for those guys like Ted Stevens and Duke Cunningham. > . And just what was Mr. Keating ALSO doing while he was riding > high in his pulpit? You got it! Screwed countless old people out > of their life savings! Now there is some REAL Christian values for > you! And in true Republikan fashion. They always seem to do something like that. The good Republikans at Wall Street and the korpseorate CEOs sure raped the nation for every dime they can get and now they are at the trough with their hands out for some good korpseorate welfare and CEO benefit off the taxpayers backs. W sure wants this badly and I hope that congress has the stones to give him the middle finger and the fat cats get to stew in what they have done. > Though shall not STEAL"! (Think maybe they also missed "Thou shall > not lie", and maybe even one or two more...) > I can only hope eventually, before it is too late (if it isn't > already), Stop talking about good Bush Crime Family values. What do you expect from the Bush family who bankrolled Hitler? Yeah, if the Republikans don't believe it, they can look it up. > Sorry, but to me anybody that can spew pseudo-religious babbling > while at the same time they screw hard-working Americans to support > their elitist evil selves is just a plain old HYPOCRITE!!! And JOHN MC CAIN wrote letters and worked real hard to get Keating off. McCain, involved in another banking scandal that raped people of every last dime they had. He had to run to Washington to get this stupid 700 billion bailout for the elite bankers and Wall Street tycoons at the detriment of working guys like you and me. > Jesus probably wouldn't vote for some of these > phony Pharesees that claim to do everything in his name! I ain't Jesus but I know I am not going to vote for them. > Obama maybe isn't the best the DNC could come up with, but four > more years of trickle down economics I believe you meant to say "trickle on" economics. The rich trickle on the workers as usual. > Why be afraid of Obama? what is he going to do, start a war? HELLO! > "W" beat him to it! BINGO, that's what I'm talkin' about! Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 20:53:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81371 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 03:53:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 03:53:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com) (216.252.100.58) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 03:53:54 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.225] by n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 03:53:53 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.245] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 03:53:53 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 03:53:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 731371.8059.bm@omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 48326 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 03:53:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.149 with plain) by smtp125.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 03:53:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: v_SgE7MVM1n90n6NAovMRaF7berICKw9T2n1tAt743CRAznivwsjDQ_88yZ1bL1C8VMDfXYufey77_j7r8eZZOe8y07sMhq_54d_oo3NTHUe8qNQptMFXrYAlLkNFTnnad3qVUMNIDcYvo7kuag1AskCGT0- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <512166.5016.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <512166.5016.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:53:51 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 216.252.100.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=0BMsypglBHo-h5OiSvdEOWb3cxbi7OcCCBeA2cWWoIiZs8sx9A X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > So she can see Russia from her house (what incredible eyesight!), > so what? When I lived in Arizona, I could see Mexico, does that make me a foreign policy expert? I doubt it. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 20:55:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73745 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 03:55:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 03:55:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.49) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 03:55:17 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n30.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 03:55:14 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.251] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 03:55:14 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 03:55:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 97820.24760.bm@omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 86840 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 03:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.149 with plain) by smtp124.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 03:55:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8m4kafAVM1kR_3QmxwNGv7AiqVqghZVvsid71JPVkLLXUbBruBJn5GIkTKjOSjFlfmcIHrzinHgl_1Os9U2eB.Fu_KZFxLe4ktEq918wq0oJjHcpP1W37anHXpXXQfQWEDO0RnIMXFPBj2rz4l9Wxy_a6zk- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <459260.5567.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <459260.5567.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7670E5BA-922D-441F-8FF9-93EEE6F8CDF7@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:55:11 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=u-INMjPPCFXXFnaT_pm84MspfJ0LrL0YWI_ys1-FOKDr7S1fTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Don't worry the GOP will make it illegal to think soon. Kevin On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:25 PM, george russell wrote: > At least YOU are thinking for yourself, Kevin...watch out, that > scares the powers-that-be From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 21:16:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55683 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 04:16:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 04:16:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 04:16:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36674 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2008 04:16:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7K28VUsVM1k7co9uzKBDw_n14w5WPtLYP4tR8Lf4W_9C8nGM022OqKtUNNFWlgo6P0_F_HIE0LLpYH.u4Om0umHou6CrzhhAuljULG.dFOxS0skQyP48FXSOBpiMD5Fk987zELl5vZQVeR9kUNRe6es_5DweCo1ziAggkyWjpVBCTsPRL3s- X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:16:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:16:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <91445E71A6B1478EB471F5646188CBE5@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <928378.34707.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: RE: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=sZ2CA2MWMLNe_z0Np5semJaEnyg1ZWD1NN-HxONEWiHP5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Ian, somebody told me once that voting in Australia is manditory, with a fine or jail for non-voters...is that true? I kinda like that idea! George --- On Sat, 9/27/08, Ian Davidson wrote: > From: Ian Davidson > Subject: RE: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 11:43 PM > G'day George > > Radio Australia broadcasts from the ABC's Southbank > complex about 5k (3 > miles) from here. Unfortunately it's not on the AM > band where most Aussies > could hear it. But our (publicly funded) ABC does provide > five separate > radio networks available to 95% of the population. A great > service ... ad > free! Any prospective government which tried to knobble > our ABC would > simply never get elected. It would seem that Dick > Patterson (like Elvis) > has left the building. > > Our electoral system is not that complicated. They start > by sorting ballot > papers (entered in lead pencil) by first preferences. If > someone has 50% + > 1 they are elected. If not, they go to the lowest pile, > and top up all the > other piles with the second preferences from that pile. > etc. etc. As soon > as one pile has 50% + 1 that person is elected. > > We have a very good independent government funded > Australian Electoral > Commision. It runs pretty much all elections - federal, > state, and local > with no controversy and a minimum of fuss. It also is > available to run (at > a price) other important elections like union ballots, > company boards of > directors, etc. > > Voting here ends at 6:00 pm, and usually the result is > known by 10:00 pm. > Much earlier if it's a landslide, much later otherwise, > but generally we go > to bed knowing who the elected government is. > > Our Senate much like (and designed on) yours is the > States' house voted in > by proportional representation. In a close election the > result may take a > few days. > > New Zealand has gone on to a much more complex but even > better and fairer > system than ours. They have multi-candidate electorates. > So that pretty > much anyone can confidently vote that their preferred > candidate will end up > in the parliament even if that party doesn't actually > win the election. > Tasmania has a similar system here with its State > elections. > > Hey - I'm surprised that a Yank would mention the > "T" word. I've always > thought that in Oz we have toilets ... in America you have > bathrooms. :) > > Cheers from Downunder! > > Ian > Melbourne > > > From: george russell > > Hello, Ian! > > Years ago, when I lived there, Cincinnati, Ohio used just > such an election > process as you outline, for electing city council members > and the mayor. > I thought it was a great idea, and to tell you the truth, I > don't know the > REAL reason they stopped doing it. (I was told that it was > "too > complicated"...for who?) > But you are absolutely right, donations make the wheel of > corruption go > 'round, and until somebody with (a) the power to change > it, and (b) the > moral character to do so comes along, I am afraid we are > stuck with the > current mess. > BTW, is Dick Patterson still at Radio Australia? He > actually took a phone > request from me years ago, and played it! Kinda cool being > told "hello" over > the air from 12,000+ miles away! > Regards from the land where the toilets swirl the other > direction (ha-ha) > George > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@optusnet.com.au Sat Sep 27 21:18:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14530 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 04:18:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 04:18:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.185) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 04:18:31 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d122-104-65-57.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [122.104.65.57]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m8S4IUDA005419 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:18:30 +1000 To: References: <128535.95252.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:18:27 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <128535.95252.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> thread-index: AckhFmHDruI8Qo/qQNmkf8oDa+eQWQABvoOg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: Re:OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=Hm3m1RA2BrxUBNuSUnrmufM_oxrEmPUqSM9Vso9b4vGD X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Right on Johnny E! In Oz, both the ABC and (Murdoch's Pay-TV) Sky News televised the great debate live at 11:00 am EST yesterday. I watched it when I got home later, and couldn't help pulling up the recording when McBush said ... "I want every family to have a $5000 refundable tax credit so that they can go out and purchase their own health care." I couldn't believe it in this day and age. What are governments there for? They are expected to fund important infrastructure like roads, dams, etc, plus police and basic education. Why in the 21st century wouldn't a government provide basic health? Why does the US government insist in topping up the greedy profits of those making heaps of money out of people's health? It's disgusting! In Oz, every taxpayer pays a levy for Medicare according to their means. This guarantees free basic hospital and medical treatment for all. Socialism gone mad??? No! A system that works ... supported by 85% of the people ... and one that not even the conservative Liberal Party is game to try and dismantle again. And the result? Much lower health costs to the nation (cutting out the middle men profiteers) much lower costs for pharmaceutical prescriptions, and everyone having a right to free (or close to free) basic health care. As far as I'm concerned the two most important things in life are health and happiness. Even I don't think that the government should get into the latter, but certainly a good government should at the least provide fund and regulate a decent health system for all. Ian Melbourne From: Johnny Electron It bothers me that the drunken sailers on Wall Street made boatloads of money, and now we have to pay for it in the form of taxes for years to come. $700 billion would have bought health insurance for every child in our country. Could have bought HDTV's for every home in America - the whole TV, not just a $40 box, and AM Stereo radios! Doesn't matter which party, this mess should have never gotten to this point. The fact that G.W. Bush is pushing so hard for it makes me like it even less, as I don't trust a word he says anymore since he's lied to the American public so much over the years on important issues. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 21:19:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17236 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 04:19:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 04:19:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 04:19:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 56222 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2008 04:19:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mlxd3nEVM1l.2aF5dtEp2TelwFfwmNEyZ4.koHFNG_nH6FAQiJmiHEFNByaciIg9gQ-- X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:19:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:19:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6EDBA792-8936-41CF-A41A-51C98E8AD00F@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <656270.55893.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=9tS4meCjkwGQrqjWYzFDfTWvph07ZutNyUhBlz9ZfIaKpw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I probably already said this...but YOU should be on Air America! Well put as usual, Kevin! G --- On Sat, 9/27/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 11:52 PM > > Kevin, glad you mentioned Keating! That scumbag > (I'm being nice) > > ranted and raved about morality, decrying the mass > distribution of > > pornography, proclaiming long and loud that we must > get back to > > Christian values in this country. Sound familiar? > Yeah, it's a > > common mantra of the right... > > George, > > I got a long memory. I remember seeing that criminal McBush > trying to > squirm out of his part in the Keating Five. > > > "God is a Republican" > > I don't think God would be like Jack Abramoff, David > Safavian, Tom > Foley trying to get a little from the teenaged male pages > in congress > or in a Minneapolis mens room trying to get gay sex. But it > sure is > fun watching the Republikans trying to defend this stuff. I > like it > when they vote for those guys like Ted Stevens and Duke > Cunningham. > > > . And just what was Mr. Keating ALSO doing while he > was riding > > high in his pulpit? You got it! Screwed countless > old people out > > of their life savings! Now there is some REAL > Christian values for > > you! > > And in true Republikan fashion. They always seem to do > something like > that. The good Republikans at Wall Street and the > korpseorate CEOs > sure raped the nation for every dime they can get and now > they are at > the trough with their hands out for some good korpseorate > welfare and > CEO benefit off the taxpayers backs. W sure wants this > badly and I > hope that congress has the stones to give him the middle > finger and > the fat cats get to stew in what they have done. > > > Though shall not STEAL"! (Think maybe they also > missed "Thou shall > > not lie", and maybe even one or two more...) > > I can only hope eventually, before it is too late (if > it isn't > > already), > > Stop talking about good Bush Crime Family values. What do > you expect > from the Bush family who bankrolled Hitler? Yeah, if the > Republikans > don't believe it, they can look it up. > > > Sorry, but to me anybody that can spew > pseudo-religious babbling > > while at the same time they screw hard-working > Americans to support > > their elitist evil selves is just a plain old > HYPOCRITE!!! > > And JOHN MC CAIN wrote letters and worked real hard to get > Keating > off. McCain, involved in another banking scandal that raped > people of > every last dime they had. He had to run to Washington to > get this > stupid 700 billion bailout for the elite bankers and Wall > Street > tycoons at the detriment of working guys like you and me. > > > Jesus probably wouldn't vote for some of these > > phony Pharesees that claim to do everything in his > name! > > I ain't Jesus but I know I am not going to vote for > them. > > > > > Obama maybe isn't the best the DNC could come up > with, but four > > more years of trickle down economics > > I believe you meant to say "trickle on" > economics. The rich trickle > on the workers as usual. > > > Why be afraid of Obama? what is he going to do, start > a war? HELLO! > > "W" beat him to it! > > BINGO, that's what I'm talkin' about! > > Kevin From jmrouse@mail.com Sat Sep 27 21:26:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83740 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 04:26:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 04:26:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 04:26:33 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 37C31180012E for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 04:26:33 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.182) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Sep 2008 04:26:14 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0FC381CE8FB; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 04:26:33 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:26:33 -0500 X-Received: from [96.227.124.244] by ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:26:33 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20080928042633.0FC381CE8FB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan (WJIB 740 listening report) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=618DsYGciSPgZ2Csp9Tbyn4hBinEL2J6RyE9jwfSnDoCv-4ZuIPX X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Hi Gang, I have just returned home from a working trip to Everett Massachusetts. Wh= ile there I discovered & enjoyed listening to WJIB, 740 AM. I don't know if they are broadcasting in C-Quam, as I did not have a stereo= receiver, but the station IDs say it is an AM stereo station. The audio w= as quite good though.=20=20 The programming was very good too. The music was soft & easy ( this is the= format )but I really enjoyed listening. He has music on this station that= I will NEVER hear coming from a Philly / Trenton / New York,or any other l= istening range transmitter. It was the only radio station that was differe= nt enough to capture my interest the entire time I was up there. The most impressive thing about this station, to me, was it's range. Radio= Locator states this station runs a daytime power of 250 watts. Yet it cov= ers the area extremely well. Better than my 1000w local. Even at night it= sounded very good. I did not get any interference from CFZM - AM 740 (the= old CHWO) as I thought I would. Leaving town well after sunset, I was abl= e to receive the station clearly all the way out to Framingham MA. This i= s about 20 miles, as the crow flies. After that, it was listenable for abo= ut another 8 or 9 miles, where it surrendered to the Canadian flamethrower.= This may not sound too impressive, but Radio Locator lists the station at= only 5 watts of nighttime power.=20 The station may not be for everyone, but is an excellent example of how goo= d a non - conglomerate owned, operated & programmed radio station can be. If any of you would like to contact Bob, his e-mail address is bobthemusicm= an7@aol.com Peace, out. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JNR=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan (half off-topic &=20 half on-topic)=20 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:42:07 -0700 (PDT)=20 O.T. part: so far the only person running that I've really liked=20 was when I went to my 1st Jimmy Buffett concert earlier this month=20 (thanks, Hun!) & they had Buffett for President stickers!=A0 Really,=20 I haven't found any presidential candidate this year that I like.=20 Now on topic.=A0 Sad to say, yes, there is little C-QuAM still=20 hitting the airwaves anymore.=A0 I've counted around 170 stations on=20 the www.amstereoradio.com/Meduci page list of stations.=A0 It=20 frustrates me to no end that I can't easily get a stereo radio &=20 then if I do get one, most likely there aren't any stations!=A0 It's=20 a chicken & egg scenario.=A0 I live about 30 miles from Putnam, Ct.=20 yet cannot hear 5kW WINY well because of the rocky soil up that=20 way.=A0 I can barely make out any intelligence on 740/WJIB.=A0 I don't=20 even know if they're stereo anymore.=A0 They were hit by lightning a=20 month or 2 ago & running on a mono backup.=A0 I don't know if Bob=20 Bittner went back to stereo.=A0 If he's still mono then that myth=20 about coverage area has been debunked because I tried to pick WJIB=20 up several months ago on my Sony AX-51V to no avail.=20 This leads me into my next post.=A0 Please give me a little bit of=20 time to write it.=20 73,=20 Jay=20 --- On Thu, 9/25/08, kevin redding wrote:=20 From: kevin redding=20 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 6:24 PM=20 > What does this have to do with A.M. stereo?=20 Nothing. There is almost no C-QUAM anywhere on earth. There probably=20 less than 25 stations on the earth today. The only stereo more or=20 less on MW is IBOC. That sucks but its the truth. I will be glad when=20 the stations who do IBOC drop the hybrid so they can leave the=20 adjacent channels alone.=20 > Since we're waaaay off topic,=20 > I'll probably vote G.O.P. again this year after seeing how badly=20 > run Rhode=20 > Island is under the Democrat Party.=20 Please vote for Mr. McCain if you think he is best.=20 Kevin=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]=20 ------------------------------------=20 Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at:=20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links=20 --=20 Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 21:30:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92297 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 04:30:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 04:30:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 04:30:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42594 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2008 04:30:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YZZZ3EQVM1mvxhGDrxhY9Wj7XasTKfp0ynEPFhLpxmTIRW6mszRCR4bpmfPw4AZthgf.T.4EQU3QRDKr0_8Bqk20HmvgiyS2NMflcJctRpIfD_SYlFAy054KlsO_k9y9dLCJvSxbzBBLMziLigKmpO8EE_0w84lkymg_e_0NRTGYCHNkwDg- X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:30:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:30:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <570154.41894.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 From: george russell Subject: Re:OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=BUyGIznxbrR2S7muUrnXZRDegDIRAEYjKOeAq3aCLHCbPw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes, and that $5000 tax credit will go where? Right into the greedy health care system that would get it from us anyway! McBush is doing what I have come to expect from his kind, making it sound like he is helping us when the ulterior motive is always the same...keep the big bucks going into the fat cat's bankrolls. A big trend up here is to commercialize...uh, I mean privatize what should be public institutions. Locally, we have kids bussed to school by a garbage truck company! And this is saving the taxpayers money? I doubt it. Worst case yet is the talk of "corporate sponsorship" of public schools...you can get a high school diploma with a Coca-Cola logo on it! Sorry, I DON'T want corporate America filling my kid's head with their greedy hypocritical crap! True, public schools have plenty of problems, but this can only make things worse... G Greed and Arrogance, gonna get us every time! G --- On Sun, 9/28/08, Ian Davidson wrote: > From: Ian Davidson > Subject: Re:OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migr > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 12:18 AM > Right on Johnny E! > > In Oz, both the ABC and (Murdoch's Pay-TV) Sky News > televised the great > debate live at 11:00 am EST yesterday. > > I watched it when I got home later, and couldn't help > pulling up the > recording when McBush said ... "I want every family to > have a $5000 > refundable tax credit so that they can go out and purchase > their own health > care." > > I couldn't believe it in this day and age. What are > governments there for? > They are expected to fund important infrastructure like > roads, dams, etc, > plus police and basic education. Why in the 21st century > wouldn't a > government provide basic health? > > Why does the US government insist in topping up the greedy > profits of those > making heaps of money out of people's health? It's > disgusting! > > In Oz, every taxpayer pays a levy for Medicare according to > their means. > This guarantees free basic hospital and medical treatment > for all. > > Socialism gone mad??? > > No! A system that works ... supported by 85% of the people > ... and one that > not even the conservative Liberal Party is game to try and > dismantle again. > > And the result? Much lower health costs to the nation > (cutting out the > middle men profiteers) much lower costs for pharmaceutical > prescriptions, > and everyone having a right to free (or close to free) > basic health care. > > As far as I'm concerned the two most important things > in life are health and > happiness. Even I don't think that the government > should get into the > latter, but certainly a good government should at the least > provide fund and > regulate a decent health system for all. > > Ian > Melbourne > > > From: Johnny Electron > > > It bothers me that the drunken sailers on Wall Street made > boatloads of > money, and now we have to pay for it in the form of taxes > for years to come. > $700 billion would have bought health insurance for every > child in our > country. Could have bought HDTV's for every home in > America - the whole TV, > not just a $40 box, and AM Stereo radios! > > Doesn't matter which party, this mess should have never > gotten to this > point. > The fact that G.W. Bush is pushing so hard for it makes me > like it even > less, as I don't trust a word he says anymore since > he's lied to the > American public so much over the years on important issues. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 21:33:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68332 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 04:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 04:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 04:33:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50737 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2008 04:33:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1Kw38W0VM1m3n4D4EGG_wdu9Xhvk7OLA6FfXPXqf0ftzluSOGGZaCFIUvKFQ44BqzTsrVlv6gZVdqmecMZ1dcqy5c.m3C3TUCUZQeWAT0M1N.YmrHDq5c4NlTED9fTX2aPseEsiLScYhrqi8mpiVY4uESK34OXdsQemGmK7puyvgTqNVc8I- X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:33:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:33:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080928042633.0FC381CE8FB@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <595755.49996.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan (WJIB 740 listening report) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=qFAY4v44XozhG0V2LHzhGlywJsJFOjHxkSHWSn7jjTJewg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 One more example of why RE-regulation should replace DE-regulation! Back w= hen nobody was allowed to own half the stations in the land, things were a = lot more interesting, good programming, good talent, and a finger on the pu= lse of the station's own market. G=20 --- On Sun, 9/28/08, Joseph Rouse wrote: > From: Joseph Rouse > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan (WJIB 740 listening repor= t) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 12:26 AM > Hi Gang, >=20 > I have just returned home from a working trip to Everett > Massachusetts. While there I discovered & enjoyed > listening to WJIB, 740 AM. > I don't know if they are broadcasting in C-Quam, as I > did not have a stereo receiver, but the station IDs say it > is an AM stereo station. The audio was quite good though.=20=20 >=20 > The programming was very good too. The music was soft > & easy ( this is the format )but I really enjoyed > listening. He has music on this station that I will NEVER > hear coming from a Philly / Trenton / New York,or any other > listening range transmitter. It was the only radio station > that was different enough to capture my interest the entire > time I was up there. >=20 > The most impressive thing about this station, to me, was > it's range. Radio Locator states this station runs a > daytime power of 250 watts. Yet it covers the area > extremely well. Better than my 1000w local. Even at night > it sounded very good. I did not get any interference from > CFZM - AM 740 (the old CHWO) as I thought I would. Leaving > town well after sunset, I was able to receive the station > clearly all the way out to Framingham MA. This is about 20 > miles, as the crow flies. After that, it was listenable for > about another 8 or 9 miles, where it surrendered to the > Canadian flamethrower. This may not sound too impressive, > but Radio Locator lists the station at only 5 watts of > nighttime power.=20 >=20 > The station may not be for everyone, but is an excellent > example of how good a non - conglomerate owned, operated > & programmed radio station can be. >=20 > If any of you would like to contact Bob, his e-mail address > is bobthemusicman7@aol.com >=20 >=20 > Peace, out. >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: JNR=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan (half > off-topic &=20 > half on-topic)=20 > Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:42:07 -0700 (PDT)=20 >=20 >=20 > O.T. part: so far the only person running that I've > really liked=20 > was when I went to my 1st Jimmy Buffett concert earlier > this month=20 > (thanks, Hun!) & they had Buffett for President > stickers!=A0 Really,=20 > I haven't found any presidential candidate this year > that I like.=20 >=20 > Now on topic.=A0 Sad to say, yes, there is little C-QuAM > still=20 > hitting the airwaves anymore.=A0 I've counted around 170 > stations on=20 > the www.amstereoradio.com/Meduci page list of stations.=A0 > It=20 > frustrates me to no end that I can't easily get a > stereo radio &=20 > then if I do get one, most likely there aren't any > stations!=A0 It's=20 > a chicken & egg scenario.=A0 I live about 30 miles from > Putnam, Ct.=20 > yet cannot hear 5kW WINY well because of the rocky soil up > that=20 > way.=A0 I can barely make out any intelligence on > 740/WJIB.=A0 I don't=20 > even know if they're stereo anymore.=A0 They were hit by > lightning a=20 > month or 2 ago & running on a mono backup.=A0 I > don't know if Bob=20 > Bittner went back to stereo.=A0 If he's still mono then > that myth=20 > about coverage area has been debunked because I tried to > pick WJIB=20 > up several months ago on my Sony AX-51V to no avail.=20 >=20 > This leads me into my next post.=A0 Please give me a little > bit of=20 > time to write it.=20 >=20 > 73,=20 > Jay=20 >=20 > --- On Thu, 9/25/08, kevin redding wrote:=20 > From: kevin redding=20 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BMC's AM Migration Plan=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 6:24 PM=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > What does this have to do with A.M. stereo?=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Nothing. There is almost no C-QUAM anywhere on earth. There > probably=20 >=20 > less than 25 stations on the earth today. The only stereo > more or=20 >=20 > less on MW is IBOC. That sucks but its the truth. I will be > glad when=20 >=20 > the stations who do IBOC drop the hybrid so they can leave > the=20 >=20 > adjacent channels alone.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Since we're waaaay off topic,=20 >=20 > > I'll probably vote G.O.P. again this year after > seeing how badly=20 >=20 > > run Rhode=20 >=20 > > Island is under the Democrat Party.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please vote for Mr. McCain if you think he is best.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Kevin=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at:=20 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Be Yourself @ mail.com! > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com =20=20=20=20=20=20 From dav259@optusnet.com.au Sat Sep 27 22:04:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52910 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 05:04:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 05:04:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.191) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 05:04:36 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d122-104-65-57.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [122.104.65.57]) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m8S54Yox001628 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:04:35 +1000 To: References: <91445E71A6B1478EB471F5646188CBE5@seagull> <928378.34707.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:04:32 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <928378.34707.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> thread-index: AckhIQneDZIoMrePSxWx7DE4ldixvAAAGF0A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=ZzSbmnk4cqFDH3JjBA-eNxOXc9-yc85Jj8U6y45Y-dy4 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: george russell > Ian, somebody told me once that voting in Australia is manditory, > with a fine or jail for non-voters...is that true? I kinda like that idea! Hmmmm ... Yes, that's officially true. Though, as a socialist democrat (or democratic socialist ... take your pick but I quite like the "S" word) I sort of like your idea of voluntary voting. Sometimes I think people just go into our voting box simply because they have to. And realistically there is no official option of not voting eventually (after preferences) for either a Labor or Liberal candidate. I believe it's your right NOT to have to vote for either one or the other. Also realistically there's no reason why you simply can't write "get fucked!" on the ballot paper and nobody will ever know who did it. But that doesn't achieve much. I don't think anyone has actually been jailed for not voting. But several people (without even a flimsy excuse) have been fined. I suppose that's not such a bad thing, because really all they were fined for was not showing up. But! Several years ago a radical guy was jailed because he started promoting an "optional preference" vote. I like our preference system of voting, but it still annoys me that my vote usually must end up with either a Labor or Liberal candidate. All this guy did was educate to the masses how our system works. Instead of voting (say) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 as required under the Act (four and five being the Liberal and Labor candidates) this guy suggested voting (say) 1, 2, 3, 4, 4. Which meant that your preference would be distributed and valid until the point that you had to vote either Labor or Liberal and those at the Electoral Office couldn't allocate your vote any further. To me, this is Democracy gone right! The two big parties subsequentially made it a jailable offence to discuss this issue on talkback radio. They even (together!) outlawed that this kind of voting was rendered invalid, where it wasn't before we all knew about it. This is partially what is wrong with our system. What is a true democracy where you're not allowed to publicly talk about it? And that's what happens in our greedy Western democracies. You have two entrenched parties who only agree on two things ...pay rises for parliamentarians, and maintaining the system that gives them a 50/50 chance of being elected. It shouldn't be too surprising that the Middle Eastern countries likely to actually embrace democracy wouldn't try and come up with a better system. Why can't the Bush's of this world realise this? And frankly, rather than invade them, why not fix things in your own backyard so that others may actually choose to freely emulate you? Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Sat Sep 27 22:38:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3495 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 05:38:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 05:38:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 05:38:55 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id CCCA31800124 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 05:38:55 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.73) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Sep 2008 05:38:36 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B36EABE4078; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 05:38:55 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:38:55 -0500 X-Received: from [96.227.124.244] by ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:38:55 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20080928053855.B36EABE4078@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:My promised post as referenced in the earlier post X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=qZwPt1mq3VtDjEfdWYK66swYK4--KpGUiTix9Mrdq_nb4u8Xgory X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Seriously, I think if you DO do this, a few big stations are going=20 to scratch their corporate heads and say "Why didn't WE think of=20 this?" Good luck! G This is SOOO true! Here is a true case in point. Over a year ago, there w= as a 1000 watt radio station in Philly @ 1340kc, call letters WHAT. It had= a "Black talk & information" format. The station was sold to Marconi broa= dcasting. They changed the format to something they called "Skin Radio" T= hey played modern alternative music, music the big stations did not have th= e guts to take a chance on like The Plain White Tees, Cold War Kids etc. They also mixed in= local unsigned artists, comedy tracks, poetry readings and scene selection= s. Scene selections were memorable dialog tracks from the movies. It was a real oasis in the Philadelphia radio desert. A little before WHAT was sold, a high power FM radio station, WSNI 104.5 wa= s aquired by Clear Channel. They did not want to keep the Soft Rock format= , so they changed it to a Spanish music outlet. As the popularity of WHAT grew, some Clear Channel programming geniuses fig= ured it was better than what they were doing. The calls were changed to WR= FF & the music to alternative. (They don't program nearly as well as WHAT = did. I think it was because WHAT welcomed listener input) Sadly, the little 1000 watt transmitter could not compete with the 11,500 w= att E.R.P. of WRFF, and Skin Radio left the air. WHAT has adopted a "Marti= ni Lounge" music format. It is now about as exciting as listening to 60 cy= cle hum. The point of this whole blurb is that if it were not for the people at this= little noise channel station, Clear Channel would probably still be broadc= asting Spanish music on 104.5 ----- Original Message ----- From: "george russell"=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:My promised post as referenced in the earlier post Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:39:46 -0700 (PDT) "too hip for that sort of thang, y'understand?"...hmm, now where=20 have I heard such talk before? You sound like you are ready to=20 play stax o' wax to edify my eardrums, hits so wild I gotta change=20 my clothes every time I hear' em! Now all ya need is a poster of=20 yourself that glows in the dark, HAVE MERCY! LOL :>) Seriously, I think if you DO do this, a few big stations are going=20 to scratch their corporate heads and say "Why didn't WE think of=20 this?" Good luck! G --- On Fri, 9/26/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR=20 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:My promised post as referenced in the earlier post > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 5:18 PM > I'm not so sure it can't work in a larger city.=A0 > It's just they don't want to try!=A0 They're too > hip for that sort of thang, y'understand?=A0 I mean > c'mon: N.Y.C. is basically a collection of smaller, > distinct neighborhoods! > =A0 > Yes, my station will have that & more. > =A0 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 > > --- On Fri, 9/26/08, John P. > wrote: > > From: John P.=20 > Subject: {AMSF} Re:My promised post as referenced in the > earlier post > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 8:25 AM > > > > > > > I believe you're right about having a full-service AM > that's live and local and stereo. CFCO in Chatham, > Ontario fit that mold for a long time; their audio is in > stereo on the cable TV 'bulletin board' channel, and > CQuam over the air. Local remotes, local sports updates, > local news at the top of every hour, 'tradio' ebay > on the air, farm reports, weather 4x an hour, and they can > even tell you what time it is, as they are live. > In a smaller city, I think that this can still work. Good > luck with the project! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links --=20 Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From robert.w.welch@att.net Sat Sep 27 22:59:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59999 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 05:59:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 05:59:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.134) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 05:59:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 05:59:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 05:59:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 05:58:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <512166.5016.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.58.159 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=JyIV59-eOji1yY5yvfNQRRsPA5p3kMrnwWdFv61vVb4Pgr8XMCZ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 I drink Tim Hortons... a Canadian coffee institution... fill'er up at Irving (although not so much these days for obvious reasons).. Irving Oil headquartered in Saint John, New Brunswick... both of those two facts mean nothing to my qualification for the job of Ambassador to Canada. Perhaps listening to CBC Radio One (91.7 Sherbrooke, Quebec) and watching The National (via CBMT over the air on channel 6 from Montreal) might. I've been tuning in since I was a child and now I'm 30. That's gotta be worth something. At least if Gov. Palin said she's been watching the Canadian news for decades... that would've counted for at least something concrete. But, even that should be worth a debate... Bob at WSTJ.. St Johnsbury, VT --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > So she can see Russia from her house (what incredible eyesight!), so what? > I often see Canada from where I go hiking, so maybe I am now an expert on diplomacy between the U.S. and Canada? Gee, and I listen to Tejano music, so maybe I could be the ambassador to both Canada and Mexico at the same time...WOW! A DOUBLE paycheck! This just keeps getting more like an > "Twilight Xone" marathon every day. > This debate ought to be better than a three ring circus, I hope my sides don't hurt so much from laughing that I miss work the next day. :>) G=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Sat, 9/27/08, Juan Gualda wrote: >=20 > > From: Juan Gualda > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 7:48 PM > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding > > =20 > > wrote: > > > > > >=20 > > > On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:21 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > >=20 > > > > None other than Senator Barack Obama! > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > It's Obama's fault ? > >=20 > > you have GOT to be kidding , right ? > >=20 > >=20 > > Mmmmmm, maybe Rush or Hannity said so (gee what a surprise) > > ..but I=20 > > think there is plenty of blame to go around. > >=20 > > Everyone seems so bitter, and rightfuly so.....but > > let's look at the=20 > > bright side of things...The Vice Presidential debates are > > coming up=20 > > on Thursday.=20 > > As the conservative columnist Kathleen Parker has said,=20 > > "If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street > > herself". > >=20 > > She has also suggested that Palin should drop out.....Never > > !...Stay=20 > > the course Sarah....remeber, you can see Russia from your > > house. > >=20 > >=20 > > Looking forward to the show..... > >=20 > > Tell a friend, and bring some popcorn. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Juan > From alnairgrus@yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 23:43:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: alnairgrus@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76348 invoked from network); 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u=77954915; y=5kxLZiaaI7YOtZMrImY7fmfmK17Lub9hPmb96YgP5jWadNuQVg X-Yahoo-Profile: alnairgrus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable for fucks sakes unsubscribe me if you cant talk radio. amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: The AM ST= EREO Forum=20 Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 1a.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM From= : Dick W=20=20=20 1b.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM From= : george russell=20=20=20 1c.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM From= : Ian Davidson=20=20=20 1d.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM From= : george russell=20=20=20=20=20 2.=20=20=20 Election From: alnairgrus=20=20=20=20=20 3a.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting From: W6YN Don Milbury=20=20=20 3b.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting From: kevin redding=20=20=20 3c.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting From: W6YN Don Milbury=20=20=20 3d.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting From: Juan Gualda=20=20=20 3e.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting From: kevin redding=20=20=20 3f.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting From: W6YN Don Milbury=20=20=20 3g.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting From: Juan Gualda=20=20=20 3h.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting From: kevin redding=20=20=20 3i.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting From: george russell=20=20=20 3j.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting From: george russell=20=20=20 3k.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting From: george russell=20=20=20 3l.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting From: kevin redding=20=20=20 3m.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting From: kevin redding=20=20=20 3n.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting From: george russell = =20 4a.=20=20=20 OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migr Fro= m: John P.=20=20=20 4b.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM From= : kevin redding=20=20=20 4c.=20=20=20 OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migr Fro= m: george russell=20=20=20 4d.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM From= : george russell=20=20=20 4e.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM From= : kevin redding=20=20=20 4f.=20=20=20 OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migr Fro= m: Ian Davidson=20 View All Topics | Create New Topic=20 Messages=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 1a.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM = Posted by: "Dick W" dwtpa97@verizon.net dwtpa97 Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:24 a= m (PDT) In my opinion, the main problem with the American system is that = both parties have been taken over by the extremists. There is nowhere for m= oderates to go, and they're forced to vote for an extreme right or extreme = left agenda. And the results are in the headlines every day. It's a sorry s= tate of affairs. Dick W. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ian Davidson=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:17 AM Subject: RE: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's A= M Migration Plan Hey - here's a different view from Downunder. Your political system suffers because the way it works it's simply a two party "first past the post" race. It doesn't work in any way like your forefathers planned it to. If you lot are seriously concerned about democracy it needs to be changed.=20 All too often the huge corporations contribute heaps of "donations" to both parties, so whichever party wins will be beholden to them if they want a continuous flow of money. In a way it's one huge long massive advertising campaign. If only you had preferential voting (like we Aussies do). That would mean a vote for Ralph Nader, or any independent, wouldn't end up a wasted vote. If your first preference doesn't win 50% of the primary vote, your preference then is allocated to who you voted for as your second choice. etc. Arguably you get the least worst government, rather than one which may have only received 34% of the vote. Your trouble will be to get both of your big parties to agree with it. Not bloody likely I expect. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (8)=20 =20=20 1b.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM = Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo.com wlx1430 Sat Sep 27, 2008 = 7:48 pm (PDT) Hello, Ian! Years ago, when I lived there, Cincinnati, Ohio used just such an election = process as you outline, for electing city council members and the mayor. I thought it was a great idea, and to tell you the truth, I don't know the = REAL reason they stopped doing it. (I was told that it was "too complicated= "...for who?) But you are absolutely right, donations make the wheel of corruption go 'ro= und, and until somebody with (a) the power to change it, and (b) the moral = character to do so comes along, I am afraid we are stuck with the current m= ess. BTW, is Dick Patterson still at Radio Australia? He actually took a phone r= equest from me years ago, and played it! Kinda cool being told "hello" over= the air from 12,000+ miles away! Regards from the land where the toilets swirl the other direction (ha-ha) George --- On Sat, 9/27/08, Ian Davidson wrote: > From: Ian Davidson > Subject: RE: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's= AM Migration Plan > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 2:17 AM > Hey - here's a different view from Downunder. >=20 > Your political system suffers because the way it works > it's simply a two > party "first past the post" race. It doesn't > work in any way like your > forefathers planned it to. If you lot are seriously > concerned about > democracy it needs to be changed.=20 >=20 > All too often the huge corporations contribute heaps of > "donations" to both > parties, so whichever party wins will be beholden to them > if they want a > continuous flow of money. In a way it's one huge long > massive advertising > campaign. >=20 > If only you had preferential voting (like we Aussies do).=20 > That would mean a > vote for Ralph Nader, or any independent, wouldn't end > up a wasted vote. If > your first preference doesn't win 50% of the primary > vote, your preference > then is allocated to who you voted for as your second > choice. etc. > Arguably you get the least worst government, rather than > one which may have > only received 34% of the vote. >=20 > Your trouble will be to get both of your big parties to > agree with it. Not > bloody likely I expect. >=20 >=20 > Ian > Melbourne >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (8)=20 =20=20 1c.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM = Posted by: "Ian Davidson" dav259@optusnet.com.au dav259 Sat Sep 27, 200= 8 8:43 pm (PDT)=20=20=20 G'day George Radio Australia broadcasts from the ABC's Southbank complex about 5k (3 miles) from here. Unfortunately it's not on the AM band where most Aussies could hear it. But our (publicly funded) ABC does provide five separate radio networks available to 95% of the population. A great service ... ad free! Any prospective government which tried to knobble our ABC would simply never get elected. It would seem that Dick Patterson (like Elvis) has left the building. Our electoral system is not that complicated. They start by sorting ballot papers (entered in lead pencil) by first preferences. If someone has 50% + 1 they are elected. If not, they go to the lowest pile, and top up all the other piles with the second preferences from that pile. etc. etc. As soon as one pile has 50% + 1 that person is elected. We have a very good independent government funded Australian Electoral Commision. It runs pretty much all elections - federal, state, and local with no controversy and a minimum of fuss. It also is available to run (at a price) other important elections like union ballots, company boards of directors, etc. Voting here ends at 6:00 pm, and usually the result is known by 10:00 pm. Much earlier if it's a landslide, much later otherwise, but generally we go to bed knowing who the elected government is. Our Senate much like (and designed on) yours is the States' house voted in by proportional representation. In a close election the result may take a few days. New Zealand has gone on to a much more complex but even better and fairer system than ours. They have multi-candidate electorates. So that pretty much anyone can confidently vote that their preferred candidate will end up in the parliament even if that party doesn't actually win the election. Tasmania has a similar system here with its State elections. Hey - I'm surprised that a Yank would mention the "T" word. I've always thought that in Oz we have toilets ... in America you have bathrooms. :) Cheers from Downunder! Ian Melbourne From: george russell Hello, Ian! Years ago, when I lived there, Cincinnati, Ohio used just such an election process as you outline, for electing city council members and the mayor. I thought it was a great idea, and to tell you the truth, I don't know the REAL reason they stopped doing it. (I was told that it was "too complicated"...for who?) But you are absolutely right, donations make the wheel of corruption go 'round, and until somebody with (a) the power to change it, and (b) the moral character to do so comes along, I am afraid we are stuck with the current mess. BTW, is Dick Patterson still at Radio Australia? He actually took a phone request from me years ago, and played it! Kinda cool being told "hello" ove= r the air from 12,000+ miles away! Regards from the land where the toilets swirl the other direction (ha-ha) George [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (8)=20 =20=20 1d.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM = Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo.com wlx1430 Sat Sep 27, 2008 = 9:16 pm (PDT) Ian, somebody told me once that voting in Australia is mand= itory, with a fine or jail for non-voters...is that true? I kinda like that= idea! George --- On Sat, 9/27/08, Ian Davidson wrote: > From: Ian Davidson > Subject: RE: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's= AM Migration Plan > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 11:43 PM > G'day George >=20 > Radio Australia broadcasts from the ABC's Southbank > complex about 5k (3 > miles) from here. Unfortunately it's not on the AM > band where most Aussies > could hear it. But our (publicly funded) ABC does provide > five separate > radio networks available to 95% of the population. A great > service ... ad > free! Any prospective government which tried to knobble > our ABC would > simply never get elected. It would seem that Dick > Patterson (like Elvis) > has left the building. >=20 > Our electoral system is not that complicated. They start > by sorting ballot > papers (entered in lead pencil) by first preferences. If > someone has 50% + > 1 they are elected. If not, they go to the lowest pile, > and top up all the > other piles with the second preferences from that pile. > etc. etc. As soon > as one pile has 50% + 1 that person is elected. >=20 > We have a very good independent government funded > Australian Electoral > Commision. It runs pretty much all elections - federal, > state, and local > with no controversy and a minimum of fuss. It also is > available to run (at > a price) other important elections like union ballots, > company boards of > directors, etc. >=20 > Voting here ends at 6:00 pm, and usually the result is > known by 10:00 pm. > Much earlier if it's a landslide, much later otherwise, > but generally we go > to bed knowing who the elected government is. >=20 > Our Senate much like (and designed on) yours is the > States' house voted in > by proportional representation. In a close election the > result may take a > few days. >=20 > New Zealand has gone on to a much more complex but even > better and fairer > system than ours. They have multi-candidate electorates.=20 > So that pretty > much anyone can confidently vote that their preferred > candidate will end up > in the parliament even if that party doesn't actually > win the election. > Tasmania has a similar system here with its State > elections. >=20 > Hey - I'm surprised that a Yank would mention the > "T" word. I've always > thought that in Oz we have toilets ... in America you have > bathrooms. :) >=20 > Cheers from Downunder! >=20 > Ian > Melbourne >=20 >=20 > From: george russell >=20 > Hello, Ian! >=20 > Years ago, when I lived there, Cincinnati, Ohio used just > such an election > process as you outline, for electing city council members > and the mayor. > I thought it was a great idea, and to tell you the truth, I > don't know the > REAL reason they stopped doing it. (I was told that it was > "too > complicated"...for who?) > But you are absolutely right, donations make the wheel of > corruption go > 'round, and until somebody with (a) the power to change > it, and (b) the > moral character to do so comes along, I am afraid we are > stuck with the > current mess. > BTW, is Dick Patterson still at Radio Australia? He > actually took a phone > request from me years ago, and played it! Kinda cool being > told "hello" over > the air from 12,000+ miles away! > Regards from the land where the toilets swirl the other > direction (ha-ha) > George >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (8)=20 =20=20=20=20 2.=20=20=20 Election Posted by: "alnairgrus" alnairgrus@yahoo.com alnairgrus = Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:17 pm (PDT) Dont care if they vote a monkey or a mou= se if theyre so stupid,just=20 get the election over with and get back onto radio. Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (1)=20 =20=20=20=20 3a.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting Posted by: "W6YN Don Milbu= ry" w6yn@juno.com w6yn Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:23 pm (PDT) Frankly, I'm di= sappointed and disgusted... as I watch them attempt to strong-arm a bailout= of some of America's biggest corporations by asking the taxpayers to suck = up the staggering results of the hubris, greed, and arrogance of those who = sought to make a quick buck by throwing the dice. Let's get one thing straight. We can assign a lot of blame for this crisis.= .. there is certainly a lot to go around. Hubris and greed on Wall Street p= layed a significant part... But let's not get so distracted that we forget the real irony here... namel= y that those who are now pretending to come to the rescue with solutions li= ke knights on white horses -- I'm talking about the men and women we elect = to Congress -- bear a LARGE share of the blame! They all lived off big campaign contributions and the swill of the lobbyist= s who strong armed them into permission to steal. The people who are going to steer this plan through Congress are the very c= haracters who brought us this crisis. And they are already looking for poli= tical and financial goodies they can hang on to the plan." It's sickening! And, who is one of the main culprits? None other than Senator Barack Obama! But there is another cause of this crisis that we cannot ignore: the near-i= ncestuous relationship between politicians and big-time government-supporte= d financial institutions. Fannie and Freddie spent more than $200 million lobbying Congress over the = past decade. Among politicians, Barack Obama ranked number three in terms o= f campaign contributions received from the two agencies=97more than $100,00= 0. His chief adviser in the vice-presidential vetting process is a former C= EO of Fannie Mae. As our political leaders wrangle and haggle and jockey to score political p= oints, it would be nice to let them know that we are not fooled are some of= us fully aware of the roll they played in this mess.=20 Don -- wrote: This is off topic, this is political, though I'm not interested in starting= another prolonged flame war, just in getting an honest answer primarily fr= om Democrats to my question: Does it bother you that such a high percentage= of those being bailed out, be it Wall Street types or the folks running Fa= nnie Mae, are sending freight cars full of cash to Obama? Of course you wan= t your guy to have the cash to win the election, but doesn't it bother you = when it comes from those whom you are most critical? Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Maybe this "bailout" (read "handout to Wall St.") will fix things? I dont' = think I'll hold my breath, I hate being blue! Oops, off topic again...I'll correct that by reporting on it over a C-QUAM = station, hah-hah! G --- On Wed, 9/24/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 8:36 PM > If I could get a job so I could hang on to my house I would > thank God=20 > constantly and think the economy was great. >=20 > I can't wait until WPE [worst president ever] is out of > office so=20 > maybe things can start to improve.=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (14)=20 =20=20 3b.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting Posted by: "kevin redding"= big_h00pla@yahoo.com big_h00pla Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:36 pm (PDT)=20=20=20 On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:21 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > None other than Senator Barack Obama! None other than the lying thiefs of the Republican party and the=20 worthless illuminati suckers in the freakin Bush Crime Family. I love to see you Don and Scott Todd take up for worthless scum bags=20 like McThuselah McBush McSame McCain and the slimy Republicans thieves. I can't wait until they are destroyed in this election. Your party's crappy candidate was there for 26 years and did nothing.=20 Nothing, Zero, Nada, Nil, Zip./And his female moron from Alaska, I=20 am sure you are going to tell me she is ready to lead the nation. What did McDramaqueen do to stop any of this for the 26 years he was=20 in office. NOTHING other than get involved in the Keating Five=20 Scandal, another banking crisis. Vote for him. You like it, so vote=20 for it. Don, you gotta be kidding all of us. You gotta be deluded or another=20 rich joker with your hand out for more corporate welfare and rich guy=20 tax cuts. Vote for your Republikan criminals so you can get more of this awful=20 government we have endured for 8 years. You deserve them. Good luck with that, guy. Kevin Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (14)=20 =20=20 3c.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting Posted by: "W6YN Don Milbu= ry" w6yn@juno.com w6yn Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:00 pm (PDT) Keven, I am sorry you are still having cognitive deficiencies. Be sure to tell your doctor about your problem. I'm sure he can offer assis= tance in some form. You seem to be very bitter for some reason. Casting aspersions and invective name calling do not support your position = or help others to give your opinions any credence. Let me know if I may help you overcome your malady. Don -- kevin redding wrote: None other than the lying thiefs of the Republican party and the=20 worthless illuminati suckers in the freakin Bush Crime Family. I love to see you Don and Scott Todd take up for worthless scum bags=20 like McThuselah McBush McSame McCain and the slimy Republicans thieves. I can't wait until they are destroyed in this election. Your party's crappy candidate was there for 26 years and did nothing.=20 Nothing, Zero, Nada, Nil, Zip./And his female moron from Alaska, I=20 am sure you are going to tell me she is ready to lead the nation. What did McDramaqueen do to stop any of this for the 26 years he was=20 in office. NOTHING other than get involved in the Keating Five=20 Scandal, another banking crisis. Vote for him. You like it, so vote=20 for it. Don, you gotta be kidding all of us. You gotta be deluded or another=20 rich joker with your hand out for more corporate welfare and rich guy=20 tax cuts. Vote for your Republikan criminals so you can get more of this awful=20 government we have endured for 8 years. You deserve them. Good luck with that, guy. Kevin On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:21 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: (EDITED) > None other than Senator Barack Obama! Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (14)=20 =20=20 3d.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting Posted by: "Juan Gualda" g= ualdaj@bellsouth.net iowacane Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:48 pm (PDT) --- In a= mstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > >=20 > On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:21 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: >=20 > > None other than Senator Barack Obama! >=20 It's Obama's fault ? you have GOT to be kidding , right ? Mmmmmm, maybe Rush or Hannity said so (gee what a surprise) ..but I=20 think there is plenty of blame to go around. Everyone seems so bitter, and rightfuly so.....but let's look at the=20 bright side of things...The Vice Presidential debates are coming up=20 on Thursday.=20 As the conservative columnist Kathleen Parker has said,=20 "If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself". She has also suggested that Palin should drop out.....Never !...Stay=20 the course Sarah....remeber, you can see Russia from your house. Looking forward to the show..... Tell a friend, and bring some popcorn. Juan Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (14)=20 =20=20 3e.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting Posted by: "kevin redding"= big_h00pla@yahoo.com big_h00pla Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:01 pm (PDT)=20=20=20 On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:58 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Let me know if I may help you overcome your malady. No, you're a Republikan and a McBush guy. No help for you. Kevin Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (14)=20 =20=20 3f.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting Posted by: "W6YN Don Milbu= ry" w6yn@juno.com w6yn Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:15 pm (PDT) -- "Juan Gualda= " wrote: It's Obama's fault ? you have GOT to be kidding , right ? --------------------------- Juan, No! I did not write "It's Obama's fault."=20 This is what I wrote: "Frankly, I'm disappointed and disgusted... as I watch them attempt to stro= ng-arm a=20 bailout of some of America's biggest corporations by asking the taxpayers t= o suck up the=20 staggering results of the hubris, greed, and arrogance of those who sought = to make a=20 quick buck by throwing the dice. Let's get one thing straight. We can assign a lot of blame for this crisis.= .. there is=20 certainly a lot to go around. Hubris and greed on Wall Street played a sign= ificant=20 part... But let's not get so distracted that we forget the real irony here... namel= y that those=20 who are now pretending to come to the rescue with solutions like knights on= white horses=20 -- I'm talking about the men and women we elect to Congress -- bear a LARGE= share of the=20 blame! They all lived off big campaign contributions and the swill of the lobbyist= s who strong=20 armed them into permission to steal. The people who are going to steer this plan through Congress are the very c= haracters who=20 brought us this crisis. And they are already looking for political and fina= ncial goodies=20 they can hang on to the plan." It's sickening! And, who is one of the main culprits? None other than Senator Barack Obama! But there is another cause of this crisis that we cannot ignore: the near-i= ncestuous=20 relationship between politicians and big-time government-supported financia= l=20 institutions. Fannie and Freddie spent more than $200 million lobbying Congress over the = past decade.=20 Among politicians, Barack Obama ranked number three in terms of campaign co= ntributions=20 received from the two agencies=97more than $100,000. His chief adviser in t= he=20 vice-presidential vetting process is a former CEO of Fannie Mae. As our political leaders wrangle and haggle and jockey to score political p= oints, it=20 would be nice to let them know that we are not fooled are some of us fully = aware of the=20 roll they played in this mess.=20 Don -- "Juan Gualda" wrote: --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > >=20 > On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:21 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: >=20 > > None other than Senator Barack Obama! >=20 It's Obama's fault ? you have GOT to be kidding , right ? Mmmmmm, maybe Rush or Hannity said so (gee what a surprise) ..but I=20 think there is plenty of blame to go around. Everyone seems so bitter, and rightfuly so.....but let's look at the=20 bright side of things...The Vice Presidential debates are coming up=20 on Thursday.=20 As the conservative columnist Kathleen Parker has said,=20 "If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself". She has also suggested that Palin should drop out.....Never !...Stay=20 the course Sarah....remeber, you can see Russia from your house. Looking forward to the show..... Tell a friend, and bring some popcorn. Juan Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (14)=20 =20=20 3g.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting Posted by: "Juan Gualda" g= ualdaj@bellsouth.net iowacane Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:49 pm (PDT) Don, It's Agreed that our political "representatives" no longer represent=20 the people, but have become pigs at the money trough..... No matter who you or I vote for, the sad thing is almost half of the=20 eligible people who are registered to vote will not.....No matter how=20 bad things get. So sad. PS.... Alabama is putting a whooping on the Dawgs......OUCH ! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" =20 wrote: > > -- "Juan Gualda" wrote: > It's Obama's fault ? >=20 > you have GOT to be kidding , right ? >=20 > --------------------------- > Juan, >=20 > No! I did not write "It's Obama's fault."=20 >=20 > This is what I wrote: >=20 >=20 > "Frankly, I'm disappointed and disgusted... as I watch them attempt=20 to strong-arm a=20 > bailout of some of America's biggest corporations by asking the=20 taxpayers to suck up the=20 > staggering results of the hubris, greed, and arrogance of those who=20 sought to make a=20 > quick buck by throwing the dice. >=20 > Let's get one thing straight. We can assign a lot of blame for=20 this crisis... there is=20 > certainly a lot to go around. Hubris and greed on Wall Street=20 played a significant=20 > part... >=20 > But let's not get so distracted that we forget the real irony=20 here... namely that those=20 > who are now pretending to come to the rescue with solutions like=20 knights on white horses=20 > -- I'm talking about the men and women we elect to Congress -- bear=20 a LARGE share of the=20 > blame! >=20 > They all lived off big campaign contributions and the swill of the=20 lobbyists who strong=20 > armed them into permission to steal. >=20 > The people who are going to steer this plan through Congress are=20 the very characters who=20 > brought us this crisis. And they are already looking for political=20 and financial goodies=20 > they can hang on to the plan." >=20 > It's sickening! >=20 > And, who is one of the main culprits? >=20 > None other than Senator Barack Obama! >=20 >=20 > But there is another cause of this crisis that we cannot ignore:=20 the near-incestuous=20 > relationship between politicians and big-time government-supported=20 financial=20 > institutions. >=20 > Fannie and Freddie spent more than $200 million lobbying Congress=20 over the past decade.=20 > Among politicians, Barack Obama ranked number three in terms of=20 campaign contributions=20 > received from the two agencies=97more than $100,000. His chief=20 adviser in the=20 > vice-presidential vetting process is a former CEO of Fannie Mae. >=20 > As our political leaders wrangle and haggle and jockey to score=20 political points, it=20 > would be nice to let them know that we are not fooled are some of=20 us fully aware of the=20 > roll they played in this mess.=20 >=20 > Don >=20 >=20 > -- "Juan Gualda" wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 > wrote: > > > >=20 > > On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:21 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > >=20 > > > None other than Senator Barack Obama! > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > It's Obama's fault ? >=20 > you have GOT to be kidding , right ? >=20 >=20 > Mmmmmm, maybe Rush or Hannity said so (gee what a surprise) ..but I=20 > think there is plenty of blame to go around. >=20 > Everyone seems so bitter, and rightfuly so.....but let's look at=20 the=20 > bright side of things...The Vice Presidential debates are coming up=20 > on Thursday.=20 > As the conservative columnist Kathleen Parker has said,=20 > "If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself". >=20 > She has also suggested that Palin should drop=20 out.....Never !...Stay=20 > the course Sarah....remeber, you can see Russia from your house. >=20 >=20 > Looking forward to the show..... >=20 > Tell a friend, and bring some popcorn. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Juan > Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (14)=20 =20=20 3h.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting Posted by: "kevin redding"= big_h00pla@yahoo.com big_h00pla Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:00 pm (PDT) > Ala= bama is putting a whooping on the Dawgs......OUCH ! 31-0 I am sure Ira New is about to rip out all his red hair! Kevin Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (14)=20 =20=20 3i.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting Posted by: "george russell= " wlx1430@yahoo.com wlx1430 Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:13 pm (PDT) Kevin, gla= d you mentioned Keating! That scumbag (I'm being nice) ranted and raved abo= ut morality, decrying the mass distribution of pornography, proclaiming lon= g and loud that we must get back to Christian values in this country. Sound= familiar? Yeah, it's a common mantra of the right... "God is a Republican". And just what was Mr. Keating ALSO doing while he wa= s riding high in his pulpit? You got it! Screwed countless old people out o= f their life savings! Now there is some REAL Christian values for you! I gu= ess these holier-than-though Bible-thumping sanctimonious weasels somehow m= issed that one commandment in their own book... "Though shall not STEAL"! (Think maybe they also missed "Thou shall not lie= ", and maybe even one or two more...) I can only hope eventually, before it is too late (if it isn't already), people will wake up, turn off the ball game, put down the beer, and use tha= t gray stuff between their ears for what God intended it...THINK! Am I saying the left is lilly-white? Of course not, we all know about Slick= Willy, Monica, and the DNA-doused blue dress, BUT, at least he wasn't pret= ending to be some super saint, hiding behind the likes of Jerry Falwell! Sorry, but to me anybody that can spew pseudo-religious babbling while at t= he same time they screw hard-working Americans to support their elitist evi= l selves is just a plain old HYPOCRITE!!! I'm no religious scholar, just a common born-again hillbilly, but I am pret= ty sure of one thing...Jesus probably wouldn't vote for some of these phony Pharesees that claim to do everything in his name! Obama maybe isn't the best the DNC could come up with, but four more years = of trickle down economics (the rich make the billions, then let just enough= trickle down to keep the rest of us indebted to them) and supply-side econ= omics (the very thing that caused the housing price drop in the first place= ...too much supply for the current demand) scares me worse than a night sle= eping in a back alley in Detroit...un-armed! Why be afraid of Obama? what is he going to do, start a war? HELLO! "W" beat him to it! G --- On Sat, 9/27/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 6:36 PM > On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:21 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: >=20 > > None other than Senator Barack Obama! >=20 >=20 > None other than the lying thiefs of the Republican party > and the=20 > worthless illuminati suckers in the freakin Bush Crime > Family. >=20 > I love to see you Don and Scott Todd take up for worthless > scum bags=20 > like McThuselah McBush McSame McCain and the slimy > Republicans thieves. >=20 > I can't wait until they are destroyed in this election. >=20 > Your party's crappy candidate was there for 26 years > and did nothing.=20 > Nothing, Zero, Nada, Nil, Zip./And his female moron from > Alaska, I=20 > am sure you are going to tell me she is ready to lead the > nation. >=20 > What did McDramaqueen do to stop any of this for the 26 > years he was=20 > in office. NOTHING other than get involved in the Keating > Five=20 > Scandal, another banking crisis. Vote for him. You like it, > so vote=20 > for it. >=20 > Don, you gotta be kidding all of us. You gotta be deluded > or another=20 > rich joker with your hand out for more corporate welfare > and rich guy=20 > tax cuts. >=20 > Vote for your Republikan criminals so you can get more of > this awful=20 > government we have endured for 8 years. You deserve them. >=20 > Good luck with that, guy. >=20 > Kevin Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (14)=20 =20=20 3j.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting Posted by: "george russell= " wlx1430@yahoo.com wlx1430 Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:15 pm (PDT) Popcorn? N= ah, for something like this, I think Pepto Bismol might be better! G --- On Sat, 9/27/08, Juan Gualda wrote: > From: Juan Gualda > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 7:48 PM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding > =20 > wrote: > > > >=20 > > On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:21 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > >=20 > > > None other than Senator Barack Obama! > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > It's Obama's fault ? >=20 > you have GOT to be kidding , right ? >=20 >=20 > Mmmmmm, maybe Rush or Hannity said so (gee what a surprise) > ..but I=20 > think there is plenty of blame to go around. >=20 > Everyone seems so bitter, and rightfuly so.....but > let's look at the=20 > bright side of things...The Vice Presidential debates are > coming up=20 > on Thursday.=20 > As the conservative columnist Kathleen Parker has said,=20 > "If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street > herself". >=20 > She has also suggested that Palin should drop out.....Never > !...Stay=20 > the course Sarah....remeber, you can see Russia from your > house. >=20 >=20 > Looking forward to the show..... >=20 > Tell a friend, and bring some popcorn. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Juan Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (14)=20 =20=20 3k.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting Posted by: "george russell= " wlx1430@yahoo.com wlx1430 Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:21 pm (PDT) So she can= see Russia from her house (what incredible eyesight!), so what? I often see Canada from where I go hiking, so maybe I am now an expert on d= iplomacy between the U.S. and Canada? Gee, and I listen to Tejano music, so= maybe I could be the ambassador to both Canada and Mexico at the same time= ...WOW! A DOUBLE paycheck! This just keeps getting more like an "Twilight Xone" marathon every day. This debate ought to be better than a three ring circus, I hope my sides do= n't hurt so much from laughing that I miss work the next day. :>) G=20 --- On Sat, 9/27/08, Juan Gualda wrote: > From: Juan Gualda > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 7:48 PM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding > =20 > wrote: > > > >=20 > > On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:21 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > >=20 > > > None other than Senator Barack Obama! > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > It's Obama's fault ? >=20 > you have GOT to be kidding , right ? >=20 >=20 > Mmmmmm, maybe Rush or Hannity said so (gee what a surprise) > ..but I=20 > think there is plenty of blame to go around. >=20 > Everyone seems so bitter, and rightfuly so.....but > let's look at the=20 > bright side of things...The Vice Presidential debates are > coming up=20 > on Thursday.=20 > As the conservative columnist Kathleen Parker has said,=20 > "If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street > herself". >=20 > She has also suggested that Palin should drop out.....Never > !...Stay=20 > the course Sarah....remeber, you can see Russia from your > house. >=20 >=20 > Looking forward to the show..... >=20 > Tell a friend, and bring some popcorn. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Juan Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (14)=20 =20=20 3l.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting Posted by: "kevin redding"= big_h00pla@yahoo.com big_h00pla Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:52 pm (PDT) > Kev= in, glad you mentioned Keating! That scumbag (I'm being nice)=20 > ranted and raved about morality, decrying the mass distribution of=20 > pornography, proclaiming long and loud that we must get back to=20 > Christian values in this country. Sound familiar? Yeah, it's a=20 > common mantra of the right... George, I got a long memory. I remember seeing that criminal McBush trying to=20 squirm out of his part in the Keating Five. > "God is a Republican" I don't think God would be like Jack Abramoff, David Safavian, Tom=20 Foley trying to get a little from the teenaged male pages in congress=20 or in a Minneapolis mens room trying to get gay sex. But it sure is=20 fun watching the Republikans trying to defend this stuff. I like it=20 when they vote for those guys like Ted Stevens and Duke Cunningham. > . And just what was Mr. Keating ALSO doing while he was riding=20 > high in his pulpit? You got it! Screwed countless old people out=20 > of their life savings! Now there is some REAL Christian values for=20 > you! And in true Republikan fashion. They always seem to do something like=20 that. The good Republikans at Wall Street and the korpseorate CEOs=20 sure raped the nation for every dime they can get and now they are at=20 the trough with their hands out for some good korpseorate welfare and=20 CEO benefit off the taxpayers backs. W sure wants this badly and I=20 hope that congress has the stones to give him the middle finger and=20 the fat cats get to stew in what they have done. > Though shall not STEAL"! (Think maybe they also missed "Thou shall=20 > not lie", and maybe even one or two more...) > I can only hope eventually, before it is too late (if it isn't=20 > already), Stop talking about good Bush Crime Family values. What do you expect=20 from the Bush family who bankrolled Hitler? Yeah, if the Republikans=20 don't believe it, they can look it up. > Sorry, but to me anybody that can spew pseudo-religious babbling=20 > while at the same time they screw hard-working Americans to support=20 > their elitist evil selves is just a plain old HYPOCRITE!!! And JOHN MC CAIN wrote letters and worked real hard to get Keating=20 off. McCain, involved in another banking scandal that raped people of=20 every last dime they had. He had to run to Washington to get this=20 stupid 700 billion bailout for the elite bankers and Wall Street=20 tycoons at the detriment of working guys like you and me. > Jesus probably wouldn't vote for some of these > phony Pharesees that claim to do everything in his name! I ain't Jesus but I know I am not going to vote for them. > Obama maybe isn't the best the DNC could come up with, but four=20 > more years of trickle down economics I believe you meant to say "trickle on" economics. The rich trickle=20 on the workers as usual. > Why be afraid of Obama? what is he going to do, start a war? HELLO! > "W" beat him to it! BINGO, that's what I'm talkin' about! Kevin Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (14)=20 =20=20 3m.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting Posted by: "kevin redding"= big_h00pla@yahoo.com big_h00pla Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:53 pm (PDT) > So = she can see Russia from her house (what incredible eyesight!),=20 > so what? When I lived in Arizona, I could see Mexico, does that make me a=20 foreign policy expert? I doubt it. Kevin Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (14)=20 =20=20 3n.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting Posted by: "george russell= " wlx1430@yahoo.com wlx1430 Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:19 pm (PDT) I probably= already said this...but YOU should be on Air America! Well put as usual, Kevin! G --- On Sat, 9/27/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 11:52 PM > > Kevin, glad you mentioned Keating! That scumbag > (I'm being nice)=20 > > ranted and raved about morality, decrying the mass > distribution of=20 > > pornography, proclaiming long and loud that we must > get back to=20 > > Christian values in this country. Sound familiar?=20 > Yeah, it's a=20 > > common mantra of the right... >=20 > George, >=20 > I got a long memory. I remember seeing that criminal McBush > trying to=20 > squirm out of his part in the Keating Five. >=20 > > "God is a Republican" >=20 > I don't think God would be like Jack Abramoff, David > Safavian, Tom=20 > Foley trying to get a little from the teenaged male pages > in congress=20 > or in a Minneapolis mens room trying to get gay sex. But it > sure is=20 > fun watching the Republikans trying to defend this stuff. I > like it=20 > when they vote for those guys like Ted Stevens and Duke > Cunningham. >=20 > > . And just what was Mr. Keating ALSO doing while he > was riding=20 > > high in his pulpit? You got it! Screwed countless > old people out=20 > > of their life savings! Now there is some REAL > Christian values for=20 > > you! >=20 > And in true Republikan fashion. They always seem to do > something like=20 > that. The good Republikans at Wall Street and the > korpseorate CEOs=20 > sure raped the nation for every dime they can get and now > they are at=20 > the trough with their hands out for some good korpseorate > welfare and=20 > CEO benefit off the taxpayers backs. W sure wants this > badly and I=20 > hope that congress has the stones to give him the middle > finger and=20 > the fat cats get to stew in what they have done. >=20 > > Though shall not STEAL"! (Think maybe they also > missed "Thou shall=20 > > not lie", and maybe even one or two more...) > > I can only hope eventually, before it is too late (if > it isn't=20 > > already), >=20 > Stop talking about good Bush Crime Family values. What do > you expect=20 > from the Bush family who bankrolled Hitler? Yeah, if the > Republikans=20 > don't believe it, they can look it up. >=20 > > Sorry, but to me anybody that can spew > pseudo-religious babbling=20 > > while at the same time they screw hard-working > Americans to support=20 > > their elitist evil selves is just a plain old > HYPOCRITE!!! >=20 > And JOHN MC CAIN wrote letters and worked real hard to get > Keating=20 > off. McCain, involved in another banking scandal that raped > people of=20 > every last dime they had. He had to run to Washington to > get this=20 > stupid 700 billion bailout for the elite bankers and Wall > Street=20 > tycoons at the detriment of working guys like you and me. >=20 > > Jesus probably wouldn't vote for some of these > > phony Pharesees that claim to do everything in his > name! >=20 > I ain't Jesus but I know I am not going to vote for > them. >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Obama maybe isn't the best the DNC could come up > with, but four=20 > > more years of trickle down economics >=20 > I believe you meant to say "trickle on" > economics. The rich trickle=20 > on the workers as usual. >=20 > > Why be afraid of Obama? what is he going to do, start > a war? HELLO! > > "W" beat him to it! >=20 > BINGO, that's what I'm talkin' about! >=20 > Kevin Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (14)=20 =20=20=20=20 4a.=20=20=20 OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migr = Posted by: "John P." toledohamradio@yahoo.com toledohamradio Sat Sep 2= 7, 2008 8:00 pm (PDT) It bothers me that the drunken sailers on Wall Stre= et made boatloads of money, and now we have to pay for it in the form of ta= xes for years to come. $700 billion would have bought health insurance for = every child in our country. Could have bought HDTV's for every home in Amer= ica - the whole TV, not just a $40 box, and AM Stereo radios! Doesn't matter which party, this mess should have never gotten to this poin= t.=20 The fact that G.W. Bush is pushing so hard for it makes me like it even les= s, as I don't trust a word he says anymore since he's lied to the American = public so much over the years on important issues. Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (6)=20 =20=20 4b.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM = Posted by: "kevin redding" big_h00pla@yahoo.com big_h00pla Sat Sep 27, = 2008 8:11 pm (PDT) > It bothers me that the drunken sailers on Wall Stree= t made=20 > boatloads of money, and now we have to pay for it in the form of=20 > taxes for years to come. $700 billion would have bought health=20 > insurance for every child in our country. Johnny Electron, The CEO of WaMu has been in charge for three weeks. WaMu crashed. In=20 the CEOs contract it stipulates that if the company goes down which=20 it did, or if he gets fired or released he gets 18 million dollars.=20 Not too bad for three weeks work, don't you think? Meanwhile, we get hosed into paying it. Bush wants the bailout bad. Makes me think about how he pushed the=20 unnecessary Iraq war and the Patriot Act. When I think about that, it=20 makes me feel the Republikans are up to something that is going to=20 hurt the working guy again. Kevin Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (6)=20 =20=20 4c.=20=20=20 OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migr = Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo.com wlx1430 Sat Sep 27, 2008= 8:23 pm (PDT) WHAT? BUSH LIED? Oh, your right...his lips DID move! :>) --- On Sat, 9/27/08, John P. wrote: > From: John P. > Subject: Re:OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's = AM Migr > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 11:00 PM > It bothers me that the drunken sailers on Wall Street made > boatloads of money, and now we have to pay for it in the > form of taxes for years to come. $700 billion would have > bought health insurance for every child in our country.=20 > Could have bought HDTV's for every home in America - the > whole TV, not just a $40 box, and AM Stereo radios! >=20 > Doesn't matter which party, this mess should have never > gotten to this point.=20 > The fact that G.W. Bush is pushing so hard for it makes me > like it even less, as I don't trust a word he says > anymore since he's lied to the American public so much > over the years on important issues. Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (6)=20 =20=20 4d.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM = Posted by: "george russell" wlx1430@yahoo.com wlx1430 Sat Sep 27, 2008 = 8:25 pm (PDT) At least YOU are thinking for yourself, Kevin...watch out, = that scares the powers-that-be worse than an alien invasion! G --- On Sat, 9/27/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's= AM Migr > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 11:11 PM > > It bothers me that the drunken sailers on Wall Street > made=20 > > boatloads of money, and now we have to pay for it in > the form of=20 > > taxes for years to come. $700 billion would have > bought health=20 > > insurance for every child in our country. >=20 > Johnny Electron, >=20 > The CEO of WaMu has been in charge for three weeks. WaMu > crashed. In=20 > the CEOs contract it stipulates that if the company goes > down which=20 > it did, or if he gets fired or released he gets 18 million > dollars.=20 > Not too bad for three weeks work, don't you think? >=20 > Meanwhile, we get hosed into paying it. >=20 > Bush wants the bailout bad. Makes me think about how he > pushed the=20 > unnecessary Iraq war and the Patriot Act. When I think > about that, it=20 > makes me feel the Republikans are up to something that is > going to=20 > hurt the working guy again. >=20 > Kevin Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (6)=20 =20=20 4e.=20=20=20 Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM = Posted by: "kevin redding" big_h00pla@yahoo.com big_h00pla Sat Sep 27, = 2008 8:55 pm (PDT) Don't worry the GOP will make it illegal to think soon= . Kevin On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:25 PM, george russell wrote: > At least YOU are thinking for yourself, Kevin...watch out, that=20 > scares the powers-that-be Back to top=20 Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post=20 Messages in this topic (6)=20 =20=20 4f.=20=20=20 OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migr = Posted by: "Ian Davidson" dav259@optusnet.com.au dav259 Sat Sep 27, 20= 08 9:18 pm (PDT)=20=20=20 Right on Johnny E! In Oz, both the ABC and (Murdoch's Pay-TV) Sky News televised the great debate live at 11:00 am EST yesterday. I watched it when I got home later, and couldn't help pulling up the recording when McBush said ... "I want every family to have a $5000 refundable tax credit so that they can go out and purchase their own health care." I couldn't believe it in this day and age. What are governments there for? They are expected to fund important infrastructure like roads, dams, etc, plus police and basic education. Why in the 21st century wouldn't a government provide basic health? Why does the US government insist in topping up the greedy profits of those making heaps of money out of people's health? It's disgusting! In Oz, every taxpayer pays a levy for Medicare according to their means. This guarantees free basic hospital and medical treatment for all. Socialism gone mad??? No! A system that works ... supported by 85% of the people ... and one that not even the conservative Liberal Party is game to try and dismantle again. And the result? Much lower health costs to the nation (cutting out the middle men profiteers) much lower costs for pharmaceutical prescriptions, and everyone having a right to free (or close to free) basic health care. As far as I'm concerned the two most important things in life are health an= d happiness. Even I don't think that the government should get into the latter, but certainly a good government should at the least provide fund an= d regulate a decent health system for all. Ian Melbourne=20 From: Johnny Electron=20 It bothers me that the drunken sailers on Wall Street made boatloads of money, and now we have to pay for it in the form of taxes for years to come= . $700 billion would have bought health insurance for every child in our country. Could have bought HDTV's for every home in America - the whole TV, not just a $40 box, and AM Stereo radios! Doesn't matter which party, this mess should have never gotten to this point.=20 The fact that G.W. Bush is pushing so hard for it makes me like it even less, as I don't trust a word he says anymore since he's lied to the American public so much over the years on important issues. 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Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe=20 =20 Michael&Ross =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 06:18:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80752 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 13:18:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 13:18:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.234) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 13:18:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50399 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2008 13:18:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IDk9EB0VM1m38GpfHO_T34e.tya3c9dcmdlHP8XTLw4BdF.jK5W_OnIcVS7G1LnqW_ElhtR_B.de8Fuxke08Ne4uHxqwhv0YpvpSVQRLnPqYmXHnsIbLWG2YV.Jj6KrpOkOqB6L6CZumuwLAXKVIJYvgTcyLHWLBFKeJrx0pfT0pXfL19w-- X-Received: from [70.109.220.74] by web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:18:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:18:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <350141.85633.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <940355.49929.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:My promised post as referenced in the earlier post X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=leO3Fgz6ZNITvymjyZU6do4vWPb8v_WPqeIhLVVIl1jwaKbUv-8l X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm gon' sell baby chicks by the dozen, just $4.95!=A0 AWWWWOOOOOOOOOOO!=A0= HAVE "MER-SAY!" --- On Fri, 9/26/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:My promised post as referenced in the earlier post To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 5:39 PM =20=20=20=20 "too hip for that sort of thang, y'understand? "...hmm, now whe= re have I heard such talk before? You sound like you are ready to play sta= x o' wax to edify my eardrums, hits so wild I gotta change my clothes every= time I hear' em! Now all ya need is a poster of yourself that glows in th= e dark, HAVE MERCY! LOL :>) Seriously, I think if you DO do this, a few big stations are going to scrat= ch their corporate heads and say "Why didn't WE think of this?" Good luck! G --- On Fri, 9/26/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:My promised post as referenced in the earlier post > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 5:18 PM > I'm not so sure it can't work in a larger city.=A0 > It's just they don't want to try!=A0 They're too > hip for that sort of thang, y'understand?=A0 I mean > c'mon: N.Y.C. is basically a collection of smaller, > distinct neighborhoods! > =A0 > Yes, my station will have that & more. > =A0 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 >=20 > --- On Fri, 9/26/08, John P. > wrote: >=20 > From: John P. > Subject: {AMSF} Re:My promised post as referenced in the > earlier post > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 8:25 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I believe you're right about having a full-service AM > that's live and local and stereo. CFCO in Chatham, > Ontario fit that mold for a long time; their audio is in > stereo on the cable TV 'bulletin board' channel, and > CQuam over the air. Local remotes, local sports updates, > local news at the top of every hour, 'tradio' ebay > on the air, farm reports, weather 4x an hour, and they can > even tell you what time it is, as they are live. > In a smaller city, I think that this can still work. Good > luck with the project! >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 06:39:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64378 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 13:39:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 13:39:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.227) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 13:39:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 60803 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2008 13:38:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: r4cLSWMVM1n1uqMa7DCesyA8HHk5tPByQw7A11Tf5wp.Q7p.q9RkOg9E8ikthXOm9eZkah_.62.L9vGCyFkw2udqk4oojRhBinL2ewmnPI3uBxZV0Br7hMbOvCYCtvWnTNtxzx6Ueec9HsaWrC1XDHLuWoce X-Received: from [70.109.220.74] by web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:38:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:38:57 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF , ABDX MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <902326.60607.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Semi-O.T.: Soliciting political parties for advertising (U.S.) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=uOnfC_5NZ0_3nJ6IztV4novqkJMTf1fhIbWL7JovpU3M-fxroxkN X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anybody know if it's o.k. to use e-mail to solicit political parties t= o advertise on your station?=A0 I thought they had different rules so it's = not considered spamming them. Thanks, Jay =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sun Sep 28 09:00:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74422 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 16:00:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 16:00:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 16:00:24 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail19.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.159]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEP9LR7AAJDSYA for (sender ); Sun, 28 Sep 2008 08:59:57 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD5lrtsvI6fzpIBcwV44wEhQ= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail19.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NV7HZM9E; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 08:58:59 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.242.187] by webmail19.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:58:29 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:58:29 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080928.085829.14035.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 6:3:802979545 X-MAIL-INFO:0c6871ecd54508d56da8d1410c45913d214ce139380c9981 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.159|webmail19.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Mi gr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=C17k7pCFLiaMM52b2FJdjHl2jVftub8HEUl2nu-yxg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Keven, You are still short on information and good sense. JP Morgan will pay the 18 million as part of the purchase. Get help before it is too late! Don -- kevin redding wrote: The CEO of WaMu has been in charge for three weeks. WaMu crashed. In=20=20 the CEOs contract it stipulates that if the company goes down which=20=20 it did, or if he gets fired or released he gets 18 million dollars.=20=20 Not too bad for three weeks work, don't you think? Meanwhile, we get hosed into paying it. Bush wants the bailout bad. Makes me think about how he pushed the=20=20 unnecessary Iraq war and the Patriot Act. When I think about that, it=20=20 makes me feel the Republikans are up to something that is going to=20=20 hurt the working guy again. Kevin From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Sep 28 09:23:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33330 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 16:23:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 16:23:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s41.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.241) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 16:23:40 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W36 ([64.4.19.136]) by bay0-omc3-s41.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:21:16 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:21:15 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20080928.085829.14035.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> References: <20080928.085829.14035.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2008 16:21:16.0050 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B454720:01C92186] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Mi gr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=lRvj1EGcV5FASAN0mJVtheoQfHGGxPc7ClFj73rzLf5bJNz-4vGH X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Damn!! This is supposed to be a forum on AM Stereo! Not a lot of babble about political situations and politicians. Lets get back on course here. MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From r_lebreton36@hotmail.com Sun Sep 28 11:36:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: r_lebreton36@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70709 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 18:36:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 18:36:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.158) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 18:36:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 18:36:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2008 18:36:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:36:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <708367.23881.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.228.47.46 From: "r_lebreton36" Subject: Re:My promised post as referenced in the earlier post X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=243931885; y=TDb87Z7F1qPjPrxtwpuiZdIWVUq4UptdXC1ezjTeekwk0PLHorTC X-Yahoo-Profile: r_lebreton36 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > I believe you're right about having a full-service AM that's live and local and stereo. CFCO in Chatham, Ontario fit that mold for a long time; their audio is in stereo on the cable TV 'bulletin board' channel, and CQuam over the air. Local remotes, local sports updates, local news at the top of every hour, 'tradio' ebay on the air, farm reports, weather 4x an hour, and they can even tell you what time it is, as they are live. > In a smaller city, I think that this can still work. Good luck with the project! > CHUC (1450 kHz) out in Coborg, ON was very much like that. I liked the local flavour and programming I would tune into that station from Toronto whenever I could but it wasn't in stereo. Now, they've switched to the FM band. :/ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 12:52:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16185 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 19:52:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 19:52:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.185) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 19:52:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13953 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2008 19:52:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 574eRwoVM1lIxs4Gk7M1tjMwTsX5Uw9S.3.QLnmMsJ1N2ckfHVe4RLIxcMvWJMO3ib4HT79pVHsZ2PGRj0ayu0uylx.ufjKxItkmktTELB9xFJe6o5qCfBv.kR7s2vbP.RbXiEjzStGverpmbdG_9pSAsGXxuwxl8eF5vLHWdU8Oq7dEAQ-- X-Received: from [64.223.58.95] by web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:52:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:52:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <497437.13416.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:My promised post as referenced in the earlier post X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=lvj9LKfzogTpkBErHbo1y-VpxnvmfLKWUYw5BeE6hZmvvaNpSx17 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's too bad that they weren't stereo.=A0 Too bad as well that they went = to F.M. but it seems better financially.=A0 Just out of curiosity, where ar= e you & whereabout is Coborg?=A0 I know Ontario is quite big. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Sun, 9/28/08, r_lebreton36 wrote: From: r_lebreton36 Subject: {AMSF} Re:My promised post as referenced in the earlier post To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 2:36 PM =20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "John P." wrote: > > I believe you're right about having a full-service AM that's live and local and stereo. CFCO in Chatham, Ontario fit that mold for a long time; their audio is in stereo on the cable TV 'bulletin board' channel, and CQuam over the air. Local remotes, local sports updates, local news at the top of every hour, 'tradio' ebay on the air, farm reports, weather 4x an hour, and they can even tell you what time it is, as they are live. > In a smaller city, I think that this can still work. Good luck with the project! > CHUC (1450 kHz) out in Coborg, ON was very much like that. I liked the local flavour and programming I would tune into that station from Toronto whenever I could but it wasn't in stereo. Now, they've switched to the FM band. :/ =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sun Sep 28 13:07:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42505 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 20:07:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 20:07:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 20:07:09 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail07.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.147]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEP927YAPT847A for (sender ); Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:06:14 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD9RO0+T+bRmKVqO31Kdgg5g= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail07.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NV7X53F8; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:06:04 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.242.187] by webmail07.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:05:40 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:05:40 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080928.130540.18631.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 27:13:1655982165 X-MAIL-INFO:512a7ecaee1eeb4be3e3fb7e7fea8eeb7a83a3b3e78fb74a8eeefeb3ee7f132abf02fecbba7b033e4b1a022efb07570f030e9b33bb2ebb3b779b07135e7eebda87075eaa9fdf979ada9a0f2a3ade X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.147|webmail07.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=vVtOKeiLBNYHbc3IzEG8_YVMbYtNIcS38czukPMY4g X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn It was Alan Cranston, Dennis DeConcini, and Donald Riegle, all Democrats, w= ho were the bad guys! John Glenn and John McCain were cleared! After a lengthy investigation, the Senate Ethics Committee determined in 19= 91 that Alan Cranston, Dennis DeConcini, and Donald Riegle had substantiall= y and improperly interfered with the FHLBB in its investigation of Lincoln = Savings. Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted i= mproperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment". All five of the senators involved served out their terms. Only Glenn and Mc= Cain ran for re-election, and they were both re-elected. Let's all try to get our facts straight. Don -- george russell wrote: Kevin, glad you mentioned Keating! That scumbag (I'm being nice) ranted an= d raved about morality, decrying the mass distribution of pornography, proc= laiming long and loud that we must get back to Christian values in this cou= ntry. Sound familiar? Yeah, it's a common mantra of the right... "God is a Republican". And just what was Mr. Keating ALSO doing while he w= as riding high in his pulpit? You got it! Screwed countless old people ou= t of their life savings! Now there is some REAL Christian values for you! = I guess these holier-than-though Bible-thumping sanctimonious weasels some= how missed that one commandment in their own book... "Though shall not STEAL"! (Think maybe they also missed "Thou shall not lie= ", and maybe even one or two more...) I can only hope eventually, before it is too late (if it isn't already), people will wake up, turn off the ball game, put down the beer, and use tha= t gray stuff between their ears for what God intended it...THINK! Am I saying the left is lilly-white? Of course not, we all know about Slic= k Willy, Monica, and the DNA-doused blue dress, BUT, at least he wasn't pre= tending to be some super saint, hiding behind the likes of Jerry Falwell! Sorry, but to me anybody that can spew pseudo-religious babbling while at t= he same time they screw hard-working Americans to support their elitist evi= l selves is just a plain old HYPOCRITE!!! I'm no religious scholar, just a common born-again hillbilly, but I am pret= ty sure of one thing...Jesus probably wouldn't vote for some of these phony Pharesees that claim to do everything in his name! Obama maybe isn't the best the DNC could come up with, but four more years = of trickle down economics (the rich make the billions, then let just enough= trickle down to keep the rest of us indebted to them) and supply-side econ= omics (the very thing that caused the housing price drop in the first place= ...too much supply for the current demand) scares me worse than a night sle= eping in a back alley in Detroit...un-armed! Why be afraid of Obama? what is he going to do, start a war? HELLO! "W" beat him to it! G --- On Sat, 9/27/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 6:36 PM > On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:21 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: >=20 > > None other than Senator Barack Obama! >=20 >=20 > None other than the lying thiefs of the Republican party > and the=20=20 > worthless illuminati suckers in the freakin Bush Crime > Family. >=20 > I love to see you Don and Scott Todd take up for worthless > scum bags=20=20 > like McThuselah McBush McSame McCain and the slimy > Republicans thieves. >=20 > I can't wait until they are destroyed in this election. >=20 > Your party's crappy candidate was there for 26 years > and did nothing.=20=20 > Nothing, Zero, Nada, Nil, Zip./And his female moron from > Alaska, I=20=20 > am sure you are going to tell me she is ready to lead the > nation. >=20 > What did McDramaqueen do to stop any of this for the 26 > years he was=20=20 > in office. NOTHING other than get involved in the Keating > Five=20=20 > Scandal, another banking crisis. Vote for him. You like it, > so vote=20=20 > for it. >=20 > Don, you gotta be kidding all of us. You gotta be deluded > or another=20=20 > rich joker with your hand out for more corporate welfare > and rich guy=20=20 > tax cuts. >=20 > Vote for your Republikan criminals so you can get more of > this awful=20=20 > government we have endured for 8 years. You deserve them. >=20 > Good luck with that, guy. >=20 > Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Sep 28 15:41:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82164 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2008 22:41:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2008 22:41:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f12.google.com) (209.85.217.12) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2008 22:41:06 -0000 X-Received: by gxk5 with SMTP id 5so11116052gxk.7 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:41:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.217.14 with SMTP id p14mr6636469ybg.56.1222641665941; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.111? (68-115-229-042.static.spbg.sc.charter.com [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm1342544ywf.2.2008.09.28.15.41.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080928.130540.18631.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:40:58 -0400 References: <20080928.130540.18631.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.12 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=rZYkwxXVyGYJFJtHk2iz7OZUXmMNFRJrNoMp-jhSbIGKALJO9NHB2ezsBmirmA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 What in Hell does all of this have to do with Stereophonic Broadcasting on the Medium Wave AM Broadcast Band? Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 17:50:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38109 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 00:50:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 00:50:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 00:50:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20047 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2008 00:50:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MnqFqWMVM1kPq6WXlliK1ZlpKWFRJZgHejflLSlgATEj9nzcd4N._G5VHiXoQ7zcvCmfn9eLVDw.XN6lbv7nvfkj21Fr0kJjw1IcU_3JoUk1bFIH.KayAbv3EbyWNPJqVBNXXRynVdQk2eeJdp_X1ndwUB6NOvsQ5e6l_AEFgG6HBXjzSys- X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:50:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:50:07 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <940355.49929.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <396341.9381.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:My promised post as referenced in the earlier post X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=7vdeQS7groTJYiahOVLkTFZZPyXfqXrAN_nLjnDpDzbp0A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes gracious, just send $3.95, cash check or money order,=20 to "chicks", XERF, Del Reeeeeo, Texas, and da Wolfman gonna throw in a free= pack of Florex*, gonna put some long lead in yo' pencil, baby! *60's version of Viagra, actually just sugar-coated aspirin...ah, the power= of suggestion! --- On Sun, 9/28/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:My promised post as referenced in the earlier post > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:18 AM > I'm gon' sell baby chicks by the dozen, just > $4.95!=A0 AWWWWOOOOOOOOOOO!=A0 HAVE "MER-SAY!" >=20 > --- On Fri, 9/26/08, george russell > wrote: > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:My promised post as referenced in > the earlier post > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 5:39 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > "too hip for that sort of thang, > y'understand? "...hmm, now where have I heard such > talk before? You sound like you are ready to play stax > o' wax to edify my eardrums, hits so wild I gotta change > my clothes every time I hear' em! Now all ya need is a > poster of yourself that glows in the dark, >=20 > HAVE MERCY! LOL :>) >=20 > Seriously, I think if you DO do this, a few big stations > are going to scratch their corporate heads and say "Why > didn't WE think of this?" >=20 > Good luck! G >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Fri, 9/26/08, JNR > wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > From: JNR >=20 > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:My promised post as referenced > in the earlier post >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 5:18 PM >=20 > > I'm not so sure it can't work in a larger > city.=A0 >=20 > > It's just they don't want to try!=A0 > They're too >=20 > > hip for that sort of thang, y'understand?=A0 I mean >=20 > > c'mon: N.Y.C. is basically a collection of > smaller, >=20 > > distinct neighborhoods! >=20 > > =A0 >=20 > > Yes, my station will have that & more. >=20 > > =A0 >=20 > > 73, >=20 > > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > --- On Fri, 9/26/08, John P. >=20 > > wrote: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > From: John P. >=20 > > Subject: {AMSF} Re:My promised post as referenced in > the >=20 > > earlier post >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 8:25 AM >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > I believe you're right about having a full-service > AM >=20 > > that's live and local and stereo. CFCO in Chatham, >=20 > > Ontario fit that mold for a long time; their audio is > in >=20 > > stereo on the cable TV 'bulletin board' > channel, and >=20 > > CQuam over the air. Local remotes, local sports > updates, >=20 > > local news at the top of every hour, 'tradio' > ebay >=20 > > on the air, farm reports, weather 4x an hour, and they > can >=20 > > even tell you what time it is, as they are live. >=20 > > In a smaller city, I think that this can still work. > Good >=20 > > luck with the project! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From w6yn@juno.com Sun Sep 28 17:50:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42018 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 00:50:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 00:50:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 00:50:58 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail21.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.161]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEQAKTFATW9CJ2 for (sender ); Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:49:41 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD8jeLdQOTTBD8s+ex7HgTpI= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail21.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NV8GBPAF; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:48:45 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.242.187] by webmail21.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:47:46 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:47:46 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080928.174746.16580.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:3:1485098614 X-MAIL-INFO:4f8481598d51758dd004711db451a5412d9440eda1b4c4893449f094b5302529646495f0d92115257991199d714d54b415f59d0405054d81a50d60108195bd95d1092905a5956581ad91 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.161|webmail21.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=hF_wT4UUcnr3pIrkV8VyxETAnYctr8DQni0d7Yln8A X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn You will have to ask those who bring up these contentious issues: kevin redding and george russell among others. Don -- Possum Hunter wrote: What in Hell does all of this have to do with Stereophonic=20=20 Broadcasting on the Medium Wave AM Broadcast Band? Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 17:55:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65995 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 00:55:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 00:55:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 00:55:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 92349 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2008 00:55:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QgU_tNcVM1nqjo9LvEHB6sreZNRseMe7FnZvkeCR38g6akF7CF5X1BSRp73TsEKvvw-- X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:55:36 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:55:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <645452.91574.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=AhrTvyy2oCcT4W0Xh0aOVm4zKUVczGvwQmo8qvLw-LFhdA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Simple...get the GOPs out of the way, re-regulate the ownership limits, ClearChannel goes bye-bye, and hopefully takes their IBOC, crappy analog sound, and anti-stereo rules with them! So long Plutocrats, Hello C-QUAM! --- On Sun, 9/28/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 6:40 PM > What in Hell does all of this have to do with Stereophonic > Broadcasting on the Medium Wave AM Broadcast Band? > > Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 17:56:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50876 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 00:56:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 00:56:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 00:56:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25250 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2008 00:56:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: w01vbK0VM1lsf0MvNSF9w0heitlKpRNy6CuPEhjFq.CxHjDr_7XXZe1GHgZjJmq2W3zmN..Rpj19dgXjxSfv.v_HP9BGJlJqkbSC7xjweVgGFvbYo.3R7AWJVBa2T8krxIJvqPsrDGnUOD8KBuYF0JPOgHfRwVHg3pjSNSH.oRu_RSUzAOM- X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:56:45 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:56:45 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080928.174746.16580.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <496842.25012.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=r5v5WfygLtBN__FOj7u45PqoIHHpCU1TL4XAUS7H9GQNHw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Huh? Only thing I brought up lately was some bad sliders from White Castle...urp! G --- On Sun, 9/28/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 8:47 PM > You will have to ask those who bring up these contentious > issues: > > kevin redding and > > george russell among others. > > Don > > -- Possum Hunter wrote: > > > What in Hell does all of this have to do with Stereophonic > > Broadcasting on the Medium Wave AM Broadcast Band? > > Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 18:02:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75734 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 01:02:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 01:02:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.48) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 01:02:24 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 01:02:23 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.254] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 01:02:23 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 01:02:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 909404.20759.bm@omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 52617 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 01:02:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.121.109.37 with plain) by smtp127.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 01:02:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6Wk2icwVM1ncY_pc4x3SYJMC7WMt9pBawWdAKMS7C8ec6AMDnB8wOvHajSmLWBXtrY0m0vag2hkO9RbvXt4PsHv4OUtY90BQvxgjiDmWFxfbctvFwb9ZGUtS.x.6M4PMo0vE7KSJEYPl45Hccp.Qj0oCp3Y- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20080928.174746.16580.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> References: <20080928.174746.16580.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <40546397-6A73-4D28-AFC3-16719B18C2E7@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:02:21 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=mdfBrtQhNEhQQJSAABqdhUwefTHOI2ovHezzZldvHxCeqnUt_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Don, You are funny. You start by saying Obama was the cause of the banking crisis and then you say this. Kevin On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:47 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > You will have to ask those who bring up these contentious issues: From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Sep 28 18:26:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57821 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 01:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 01:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fmailhost01.isp.att.net) (204.127.217.101) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 01:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from owner2d075f959 (adsl-8-245-188.mia.bellsouth.net[65.8.245.188]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20080929012602H01000g2she>; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:26:02 +0000 To: References: <20080928.174746.16580.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> <496842.25012.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <496842.25012.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:26:10 -0400 Organization: Q Media Hot 100, LAZR, 1003. KOOL Message-ID: <029101c921d2$5b3d69d0$11b83d70$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ackhzj+NjVKIc400T/i0X6xLF139iQAA/UqA Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: 204.127.217.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "J Gualda Q Media" Subject: Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=yBXjWcq63LMknen0I_X0v9BwGvda22nMiKPWC2Vjl7qXV7c X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Huh? Only thing I brought up lately was some bad sliders from White Castle...urp! G "Mmmmmm White castle burgers...ugghhhhhhh" "Homer Simpson" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 18:27:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99064 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 01:27:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 01:27:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.232) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 01:27:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2096 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2008 01:27:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: n_8nsmYVM1li.gM1Ek24hqaS1Dij.nrpJzLfPnTyVKbX8QWuhO49WejZPpU_QXR.cnoNoSZ1oHfPiAKcxOo0p180tr5SLoAIdYTFdSYh41nt6qpypphh_M5RvH_WG_9Bl08JTgnwwpQBWVcbqSZQykwgdQm0lzdwfJmqTeaPco89nXbvwA-- X-Received: from [64.223.58.95] by web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:27:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:27:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <029101c921d2$5b3d69d0$11b83d70$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <195338.1960.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=-ZeLXoQDIeSedJaXrSJQzZDc3yITc1Oelwpbdw4YGgd-mDUxKKzX X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not to start an OT burger war, but I prefer Krystal! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Sun, 9/28/08, J Gualda Q Media wrote: From: J Gualda Q Media Subject: {AMSF} Burgers To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:26 PM Huh? Only thing I brought up lately was some bad sliders from White Castle...urp! G "Mmmmmm White castle burgers...ugghhhhhh h" "Homer Simpson" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 18:32:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31109 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 01:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 01:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.49) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 01:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n30.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 01:32:38 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.241] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 01:32:38 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 01:32:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 922899.92421.bm@omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 2160 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 01:32:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.121.109.37 with plain) by smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 01:32:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1qc0kL8VM1kIKXoVVj8cN5j_w8hWIxh2TmMna5VOyKicpC7n78C_9bRWFTeHcMdh3w1_1bpt2ElOM50qbBHXniUa9s0OqYxEDoCDMuEa4uwhgEgBbPkli2Y7KNGiLGabKstOZA4iVP5L5ozTHzblxtt_mDI- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <195338.1960.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <195338.1960.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:32:36 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=GCALrAaCcB2tye4AN_b-PCAQVcq-tu_kANwJyqfQrE-9fTW4_A X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Sep 28, 2008, at 8:27 PM, JNR wrote: > Not to start an OT burger war, but I prefer Krystal! They don't have White Castle around here in West Tennessee. The closest thing is 30 miles away and its Krystal. There is a regional burger joint around here called Backyard Burgers and they are very good. They are across the street from Krystal in Corinth, Mississippi. Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Sun Sep 28 18:34:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32116 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 01:34:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 01:34:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 01:34:12 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail07.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.147]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEQANEJAR3C85A for (sender ); Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:34:00 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDwq0GZ1iykbdL8mMqqWNALU= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail07.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NV8JUSPX; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:33:03 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.242.187] by webmail07.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:32:58 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:32:58 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080928.183258.26871.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 15:7:3643134351 X-MAIL-INFO:350e0337de9fda634adecef7cb738f935bde1ab7ca730b47f38a5fee13074ab71e0f6e6b6eea271eee7afe57af6f0beefe1bce670a036f0307d7022f3b174fe77b03027bbfdadbe3a703eabb8ffb873f8aa7ef37 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.147|webmail07.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=ayJUC7DtVk_BV7z5-AIXSq8slyetXs-nn-PDhzCSNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Kevin, You never seem to get it right. You continue to quote me out of context and.... Here is how it all began - This time: -- wrote: This is off topic, this is political, though I'm not interested in starting= another=20 prolonged flame war, just in getting an honest answer primarily from Democr= ats to my=20 question: Does it bother you that such a high percentage of those being ba= iled out, be=20 it Wall Street types or the folks running Fannie Mae, are sending freight c= ars full of=20 cash to Obama? Of course you want your guy to have the cash to win the ele= ction, but=20 doesn't it bother you when it comes from those whom you are most critical? Scott Todd =20=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Maybe this "bailout" (read "handout to Wall St.") will fix things?=20=20 I dont' think I'll hold my breath, I hate being blue! Oops, off topic again...I'll correct that by reporting on it over a C-QUA= M station,=20 hah-hah! G --- On Wed, 9/24/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Migration Plan > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 8:36 PM > If I could get a job so I could hang on to my house I would > thank God=20=20 > constantly and think the economy was great. >=20 > I can't wait until WPE [worst president ever] is out of > office so=20=20 > maybe things can start to improve.=20 =20=20=20 -- kevin redding wrote: Don, You are funny. You start by saying Obama was the cause of the banking=20=20 crisis and then you say this. Kevin On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:47 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > You will have to ask those who bring up these contentious issues: From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Sep 28 18:49:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76572 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 01:49:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 01:49:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fmailhost01.isp.att.net) (204.127.217.101) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 01:49:09 -0000 X-Received: from owner2d075f959 (adsl-8-245-188.mia.bellsouth.net[65.8.245.188]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20080929014907H01000e3cqe>; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:49:07 +0000 To: References: <195338.1960.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:49:16 -0400 Organization: Q Media Hot 100, LAZR, 1003. KOOL Message-ID: <02a801c921d5$95361530$bfa23f90$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ackh00U5uccHko9NSz+0fMTM8B63VwAAdTUQ Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: 204.127.217.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "J Gualda Q Media" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=WIZnJyszJohK-De1tnw4jflutVjM9u8ctpuNZVcXUKXeH5E X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They don't have White Castle around here in West Tennessee. The closest thing is 30 miles away and its Krystal. There is a regional burger joint around here called Backyard Burgers and they are very good. They are across the street from Krystal in Corinth, Mississippi. Kevin The closest Krystal is about one and a half hours north of here. Honestly, I can't tell the difference, as I have always eaten them many months apart. Krystals are good comfort food. In another OT..I found a Tim Horton's in West Virginia..I didn't know they were outside of Canada. Good Coffee and great pastries & donuts.."Mmmmm Donuts" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 19:14:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51540 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 02:14:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 02:14:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 02:14:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30544 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2008 02:14:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IyW.aZcVM1ndtJkEL88ifs2xhxyRTaOsB3RW.foy2TWNlEhxkxk.NNahcMn3KCqwi3ufxuD8UPSnCtgx3xIG8.0IVyvn2A050MNiAhAVzsDYjRXlbV1QT17l7Ose2Kb8wsd1qy16h8v_jJGdinH2tSuB6FCtDh3ikfzITMRlGYcYY8c5fR4- X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:14:52 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:14:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <029101c921d2$5b3d69d0$11b83d70$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <250457.30252.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=UmFIzbyslnXQ3WPn20KGkHdQN0dtLG7s4oaJ_a8UmhV3VQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 "white Castle has the taste some people can't s--t without!" --- On Sun, 9/28/08, J Gualda Q Media wrote: > From: J Gualda Q Media > Subject: {AMSF} Burgers > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:26 PM > Huh? Only thing I brought up lately was some bad sliders > from White > Castle...urp! G > > > > > > > > > "Mmmmmm White castle burgers...ugghhhhhhh" > > > > "Homer Simpson" > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 19:19:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71091 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 02:19:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 02:19:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 02:19:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 43997 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2008 02:19:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: T10rACUVM1l0gUolA2T2pKtTV8ro_H8mPTEcCCL5bIaoQdTe8X19LWMjKsqyfKMGBS8TTjdQMDTcRis2we345egITrIGvKH.PiVT8PDWbf.Afiy1fuANryQ_ouFJPgFgbYh9EEahzCuzisluSOdjGOmBk4RbLUVFcbWt.eZ7yC.6OawNxZM- X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:19:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:19:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <02a801c921d5$95361530$bfa23f90$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <560379.43983.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 From: george russell Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=D2nmChppmkXeEt5SGGpzIAcT4Aab7Vo1dOD2k-7RVMtWaA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Oh yeah, Tim Hortons are all over, especially here in Michigan. We must have dozens just in the Metro Detroit area alone, TWO within walking distance of me. As for Burgers, best I ever had was Frisch's Big Boy in Ohio. We have Elias Bros. Big Boy in Michigan, but those dufuses put thousand island dressing on instead of tarter sauce. I have to specify a "Buckeye Big Boy", or explain the RIGHT way to make one, hah-hah! G --- On Sun, 9/28/08, J Gualda Q Media wrote: > From: J Gualda Q Media > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:49 PM > They don't have White Castle around here in West > Tennessee. The > closest thing is 30 miles away and its Krystal. There is a > regional > burger joint around here called Backyard Burgers and they > are very > good. They are across the street from Krystal in Corinth, > Mississippi. > > Kevin > > > > The closest Krystal is about one and a half hours north of > here. > > > > Honestly, I can't tell the difference, as I have always > eaten them many > months apart. Krystals are good comfort food. > > > > In another OT..I found a Tim Horton's in West > Virginia..I didn't know they > were outside of Canada. Good Coffee and great pastries > & donuts.."Mmmmm > Donuts" > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 19:26:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 694 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 02:26:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 02:26:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.234) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 02:26:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14202 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2008 02:26:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7RLyB.wVM1lJ8Pbbj4grdmeAHX90KTorI10Vb429rFD0ieeBz3Cqz1nI2vETMxUoXolTHJ86wfA5_RuuLwAlUUgqMAstgGCY8YZMDzvLp2Vq4eJMcXQymrJX0YwCLrKZh8QvqStKh9czHXdAyZAC_c3uMEO60obqq5zlUNbO51vx7u41Cg-- X-Received: from [64.223.58.95] by web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:26:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:26:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <560379.43983.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <284815.14153.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.234 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=Qqbz6WM0RtKDewUnZ72k0pHQuXzbMfc7mG4Cr1dfrfZWo1XlHMnU X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We have plenty around R.I. as they bought Bess Eaton.=A0 I prefer a local c= hain: Sip & Dip.=A0 As for the burgers, the nearest White Castle is near Ne= w York City, about 3-4 hours away. I just had a burger from Chelo's.=A0 It's another local chain that's in R.I= . & they have steak fries.=A0 Mmm, steak fries. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Sun, 9/28/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 10:19 PM =20=20=20=20 Oh yeah, Tim Hortons are all over, especially here in Michigan.= We must have dozens just in the Metro Detroit area alone, TWO within walk= ing distance of me. As for Burgers, best I ever had was Frisch's Big Boy in Ohio. We have Elia= s Bros. Big Boy in Michigan, but those dufuses put thousand island dressing= on instead of tarter sauce. I have to specify a "Buckeye Big Boy", or exp= lain the RIGHT way to make one, hah-hah! G --- On Sun, 9/28/08, J Gualda Q Media wrote: > From: J Gualda Q Media > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:49 PM > They don't have White Castle around here in West > Tennessee. The=20 > closest thing is 30 miles away and its Krystal. There is a > regional=20 > burger joint around here called Backyard Burgers and they > are very=20 > good. They are across the street from Krystal in Corinth, > Mississippi. >=20 > Kevin >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > The closest Krystal is about one and a half hours north of > here. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Honestly, I can't tell the difference, as I have always > eaten them many > months apart. Krystals are good comfort food. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > In another OT..I found a Tim Horton's in West > Virginia..I didn't know they > were outside of Canada. Good Coffee and great pastries > & donuts.."Mmmmm > Donuts" >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 19:56:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29727 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 02:56:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 02:56:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.230) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 02:56:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 47456 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2008 02:56:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iz9HB_kVM1m07RaQU74zh8YMonX9WYZv2iNfoXqwLuCIP7_WUU02.msMl7qVdmJIP68A9SQcefbgGgmi.hNcnxM4Ek6n1M0e26y6.KZITeXBoX_2rZtGWnmehXDHIX6MbHgohfFCtKf7l9pJCtABlHpn8EjN2udE7ygpKOjHQ29GwyKLYQ-- X-Received: from [64.223.58.95] by web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:56:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:56:40 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF , ABDX MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <662316.46858.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: OT: WJIB-FM recreation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=LtUpxhh7xid4wsdEO3rn1evAEexyuZietV2nNaVSZVzWYHVVDPWB X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those of you who like your music easy on Youtube there's a recreation o= f Boston E-Z listening WJIB-FM.=A0 Now enjoy Jib-FM without worrying about = seagull falling your radio! (There are seagull SFX). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoxMJ_qRm3sQ 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 20:10:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64491 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 03:10:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 03:10:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.109) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 03:10:16 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n2.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 03:10:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.75.182] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 03:10:15 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp103.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 03:10:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 945169.64489.bm@omp103.mail.re1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 54166 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 03:10:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.121.109.37 with plain) by smtp109.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 03:10:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: M8l7CwEVM1mrTl9rZ1o4f5gfYTtz6ZZMABa03_EIVy1Di2gsKslatsQDYcnA7l.QGzyZl1XT7Vq5vBpE1U3W_4xQVfZNXLWj.eAF8tX29GRRRMpGJbr9qexsrVAqlHCM1kCYn9FzTFIEhhQpT6bzMIO.q7U- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <02a801c921d5$95361530$bfa23f90$@net> References: <195338.1960.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <02a801c921d5$95361530$bfa23f90$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:10:13 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=nlBIWQuoe3RacxjhkLDR94L-_6Qr3ubiNn4odQ0NJ5qlntr-sw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla They have one off I-95 near Warwick, RI. Kevin On Sep 28, 2008, at 8:49 PM, J Gualda Q Media wrote: > In another OT..I found a Tim Horton's in West Virginia..I didn't > know they > were outside of Canada. Good Coffee and great pastries & > donuts.."Mmmmm > Donuts" From keith1226@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 22:30:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57200 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 05:30:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 05:30:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.146) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 05:30:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9245 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2008 05:30:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DGcOBjEVM1nk5k8AnLatdRmn_aMfWKDR8qnkeFBLf14Gsn5yQ4CCJgwHjVdaqAMLGLbpKRPuVcaf9Ipr5G2jNlmLDbF_RVyv3qRWwhOjq7Yo8WQRfKmTfuUl0aQ19S14E2ZfSLaWFok2Z88KnZ4K.7PAL4lXHUKadiTtoo3dJj6mqzFgiA-- X-Received: from [71.197.193.155] by web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:30:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:30:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <564801.8615.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Reply-To: keith1226@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=vY8eUMCygWE21L7FsA7UhgbnELixK-1XIUbc-QQHlN359nZ1 X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Watch it, guys, or we're going to get into a doughnut flame war: Tim Horton's vs. Dunkin' Donuts vs. Krispee Kreme (sp?). My take: No. 1: Tim's No. 2: Dunkin' No. 3: Krispee (they have decent coffee, though). 73, Keith Beesley, Seattle WA --- On Sun, 9/28/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 8:10 PM > They have one off I-95 near Warwick, RI. > > Kevin > > On Sep 28, 2008, at 8:49 PM, J Gualda Q Media wrote: > > > In another OT..I found a Tim Horton's in West > Virginia..I didn't > > know they > > were outside of Canada. Good Coffee and great pastries > & > > donuts.."Mmmmm > > Donuts" > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > From keith1226@yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 22:31:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31635 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 05:31:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 05:31:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.149) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 05:31:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49091 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2008 05:31:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: c4O9essVM1kD8WYDnwE2bvrQ2hpIdRjhkBtxabEZ0cP9skJv92XJFR43xtfAJCE2BuAXLRq9XtT.b2oQFNmRxMX4dUDxU553k24h5OAFk5ZqWid3JiJPvi255dDAq8mL9gvd1cRJfDwUV5YIGDxGjzy5FqRtp3HncAqCCPM1O9S0.Dss8g-- X-Received: from [71.197.193.155] by web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:31:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:31:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <374588.48937.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Reply-To: keith1226@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=bsTK0UchZCSswZKmGFjPT23XD6abUvhg7FwvTXCFtYmgUK03 X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Watch it, guys, or we're going to get into a doughnut flame war: Tim Horton's vs. Dunkin' Donuts vs. Krispee Kreme (sp?). My take: No. 1: Tim's No. 2: Dunkin' No. 3: Krispee (they have decent coffee, though). 73, Keith Beesley, Seattle WA --- On Sun, 9/28/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 8:10 PM > They have one off I-95 near Warwick, RI. > > Kevin > > On Sep 28, 2008, at 8:49 PM, J Gualda Q Media wrote: > > > In another OT..I found a Tim Horton's in West > Virginia..I didn't > > know they > > were outside of Canada. Good Coffee and great pastries > & > > donuts.."Mmmmm > > Donuts" > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 05:43:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95329 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 12:43:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 12:43:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 12:43:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 43697 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2008 12:43:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vA8t3UgVM1n9SGiFjgreE_UWC8NVYwM14M961619WLNfgm5PNwzq0tb3Et6r1qzT24yd8gmrc5j9nDbGMM7Ef_Ri0DPhIcYPhVXnTcRl4BRDJxnE7fnoalPf31HKf1nQdvvx0KEuyhKJRkzsDpvuUG1FgetZTsRkeNRFI5p.rVPxxJxd X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:43:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:43:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <564801.8615.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <203872.43660.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=QnoAJannk7PDuwFk-pVuN2UztXYwJQw2zBCz-DuogXU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Krispy Kreme HOT off the press. Good coffee, they sell the beans and will grind them for you right there. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 9/29/08, keith beesley wrote: From ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 06:25:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57600 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 13:25:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 13:25:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.187) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 13:25:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 13:25:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 13:25:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:25:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <02a801c921d5$95361530$bfa23f90$@net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.175.225.22 From: "ai9e_qrp" Subject: Re: Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=241001136; y=zNQPsiiFRI5BEu5uCPIcefhapPfJZibGW2z39O4cPYNsaFg X-Yahoo-Profile: ai9e_qrp --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "J Gualda Q Media"=20 wrote: >=20 > They don't have White Castle around here in West Tennessee. The=20 > closest thing is 30 miles away and its Krystal. There is a=20 regional=20 > burger joint around here called Backyard Burgers and they are very=20 > good. They are across the street from Krystal in Corinth,=20 Mississippi. All in all, if we're going to be OT, then I'd much rather talk=20 burgers than politics. Out here in Iowa, we have neither White=20 Castles nor Krystal Burgers, and decent BBQ is non-existant. What=20 we do have are 'Maid-Rite' sandwich shops. These are 'loose-meat'=20 sandwiches, of the type popularized on 'Rosanne'. (There is also a=20 competing chain called 'Crumblyburger' if I recall.) Despite the=20 fact that the shops are a franchise, there is a lot of store-to- store variation in the recipe. For that reason alone, its worth=20 stopping at EVERY ONE to sample the sandwiches. Not a dang thing to do with AM Stereo, but its making me hungry to=20 think of them. 73 - Dave=20 From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Sep 29 06:35:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50133 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 13:35:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 13:35:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.134) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 13:35:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 13:35:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 13:35:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:35:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.134 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.149.16.45 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: Burgers & Maid-Rites & AM Stereo....to keep the conversation on topic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=UZjV6Z-loGruPlseIFBeiyNetcxzdfbkqOWocf7Vsp_dphQ X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Dave, I had my first Made-Rite in Marshalltown when I lived there in 89-90. They were goooooood. I can't recall other Made-Rite places where I lived in various places=20 in Iowa, except for Muscatine...where I worked for KWPC AM-860 in=20 beautiful AM Stereo. I worked at KRIB in Mason City, and helped the engineer turn the AM=20 Stereo back on in 2005, but sadly it has been turned off as they now=20 have to have an STL and it is in mono only....:-( Juan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "ai9e_qrp" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "J Gualda Q Media"=20 > wrote: > >=20 > > They don't have White Castle around here in West Tennessee. The=20 > > closest thing is 30 miles away and its Krystal. There is a=20 > regional=20 > > burger joint around here called Backyard Burgers and they are=20 very=20 > > good. They are across the street from Krystal in Corinth,=20 > Mississippi. >=20 > All in all, if we're going to be OT, then I'd much rather talk=20 > burgers than politics. Out here in Iowa, we have neither White=20 > Castles nor Krystal Burgers, and decent BBQ is non-existant. What=20 > we do have are 'Maid-Rite' sandwich shops. These are 'loose-meat'=20 > sandwiches, of the type popularized on 'Rosanne'. (There is also a=20 > competing chain called 'Crumblyburger' if I recall.) Despite the=20 > fact that the shops are a franchise, there is a lot of store-to- > store variation in the recipe. For that reason alone, its worth=20 > stopping at EVERY ONE to sample the sandwiches. >=20 > Not a dang thing to do with AM Stereo, but its making me hungry to=20 > think of them. >=20 > 73 - Dave > From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 07:15:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13375 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 14:15:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 14:15:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 14:15:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 91860 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2008 14:15:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UQqFONQVM1n5hRjV8AZTcwU5FuNcPoZjhcWOVqTAxqzf_YJb5ySIpF1s.VMm47yS7ugR7hEU8hSlkUJs8GcQzJzu1LQ8c6kxyP0xQ7rgom5k7.ous5oKZG7BvENwDqXDDpScC.8fY8eG66nDf5XjluD4qXtZI7elllufXtjvWr196X7h X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:15:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:15:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <586647.91094.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Speaking of FFFFFFFFFFood X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=jVWjEQuKCY8v2GjGU6VK7KftkesKr5B0knzksqOBMkA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blakes LOT A BURGER in Albequerque is good. Multiple locations. Local chain= .=20 In Columbia, SC Fat Boys and local chain Rush's that does Hamburgers and fr= ied=A0 Chicken.=20 Local Zesto chain in Columbia with chicken as specialty. There's a local Ne= wberry, SC Zesto that when it opened 50++ years ago was part of a chain I g= uess but is no longer.=A0 Bill Dorrough at his little country store me make= s THE best BLT I have had and so are his hot dogs. Kevin Redding has had hi= s hot dogs I think.=20 =A0 Powell =A0 =A0 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Mon Sep 29 09:54:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83768 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 16:54:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 16:54:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 16:54:14 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id D218718001AB for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:54:13 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.51) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Sep 2008 16:53:54 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0456A478093; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:54:13 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:54:13 -0500 X-Received: from [96.227.124.244] by ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:54:13 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20080929165413.0456A478093@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: WJIB-FM recreation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=ZX7DEhW3oQN-N1duQY7rmWeRQXe3yH02NEGGiQfqJjwjebsKOmuq X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 I did not know=A0WJIB had an FM transmitter as well as the 740kc.=A0=20 Actually, I did not go looking for it either.=A0 I guess I was in too much = of a state of shock!=A0 Music??=A0 Good audio???=A0 Stereo?!!?! Not the sa= me ol' same ol' - ON AM?????!!!!!=A0 I just could not believe it. ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR=20 To: AMSF , ABDX=20 Subject: {AMSF} OT: WJIB-FM recreation Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:56:40 -0700 (PDT) For those of you who like your music easy on Youtube there's a=20 recreation of Boston E-Z listening WJIB-FM.=A0 Now enjoy Jib-FM=20 without worrying about seagull falling your radio! (There are=20 seagull SFX). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoxMJ_qRm3sQ 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links --=20 Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 10:25:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46190 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 17:25:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 17:25:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 17:25:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 72315 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2008 17:25:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6uqtleAVM1kuLFW5oDMkQSqT3ym89eobgBOAwVrxteokClY0re4.9KLoT85Ao21oJ_xMrsSjc7eyygxDog64nafBSOigEEFAFVGDDPH8IrrHmVX6gOn7XbU4xQT7EwOLWuqjmvHiS_.fPRayq_hITVIS3ElaB33ctFutnCT0VAseh4Yu X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:25:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:25:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080929165413.0456A478093@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <386540.71975.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: WJIB-FM recreation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=4mEFFvtSFHiKKD311vGVqS3ch5b8Uio_0mMuqiTadjM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW HAD is the word. The FM has been gone and owned by someone else for many ye= ars now. Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Joseph Rouse wrote: > I did not know=A0WJIB had an FM transmitter as well as the > 740kc.=A0=20 > Actually, I did not go looking for it either.=A0 I guess I > was in too much of a state of shock!=A0 Music??=A0 Good > audio???=A0 Stereo?!!?! Not the same ol' same ol' - > ON AM?????!!!!!=A0 I just could not believe it. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 12:18:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85562 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 19:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 19:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.233) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 19:18:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 56375 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2008 19:18:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MkI5rXAVM1n0AEkXUb0HynnXKAJ7YmJPq_c2nyn3cPb2Y2V28ZLjk0RW8z6JweCXX7qKbsU5RPBpttKGyhh5WIDN8UB7qtqSo_qnq5C8qY0_4fKDJ2uQl3AWdZjFfx2eZ6eK.sWMKMPn1GvMI_FQelfTbBoukJov0DLQyBLuRXebqU_RIA-- X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:18:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:18:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080929165413.0456A478093@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <51926.55793.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: WJIB-FM recreation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=-XZ4pHYLxuKmDfSK8vev9RcnWKacdSTxqRlLjbFZ0LRX63dosn3I X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Powell's right.=A0 It was on 96.9 from ~1967-1990.=A0 The A.M. was WCAS for= awhile during that time which was a folk/rock operation.=A0 96.9 is now...= talk radio. =A0 Jay --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Joseph Rouse wrote: From: Joseph Rouse Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: WJIB-FM recreation To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 12:54 PM I did not know=A0WJIB had an FM transmitter as well as the 740kc.=A0=20 Actually, I did not go looking for it either.=A0 I guess I was in too much = of a state of shock!=A0 Music??=A0 Good audio???=A0 Stereo?!!?! Not the sam= e ol' same ol' - ON AM?????!!!!!=A0 I just could not believe it. ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR=20 To: AMSF , ABDX=20 Subject: {AMSF} OT: WJIB-FM recreation Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:56:40 -0700 (PDT) For those of you who like your music easy on Youtube there's a=20 recreation of Boston E-Z listening WJIB-FM.=A0 Now enjoy Jib-FM=20 without worrying about seagull falling your radio! (There are=20 seagull SFX). http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=3DoxMJ_qRm3sQ 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links --=20 Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Sep 29 13:20:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12421 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 20:20:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 20:20:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 20:20:13 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.52] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080929152003102981600010.0) with SMTP id <20080929152003102981600010> for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:20:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00e901c92271$a0eceba0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20080928.085829.14035.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:20:03 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Mi gr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Db2YMG2Tqyc8ai8LkwfeI_DQVsAXiP8wErFNh3QB_YCjsjT-x4TN X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll gladly take the blame. I had no intentions of this turning into another flame war and just wanted a handful of opinions. I had noticed the list had been pretty quiet the few days prior and thought I'd take advantage of the lull in the action. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Damn!! This is supposed to be a forum on AM Stereo! Not a lot of babble about political situations and politicians. Lets get back on course here. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Sep 29 13:30:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88420 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 20:30:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 20:30:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 20:30:15 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.52] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080929152945101207200010.0) with SMTP id <20080929152945101207200010> for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:29:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <018101c92272$fc14af80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:29:45 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=8bLBio8ZN5oPbDAkIo0yC0Hkv09BAdAIV0BnlOhLlAbV_MIGGTa3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As goofy as he's become, Alan Keyes did come up with probably one of the best ideas I've heard- limit political contributions to come from registered voters only. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan Gualda To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com It's Agreed that our political "representatives" no longer represent the people, but have become pigs at the money trough..... --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 13:33:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8721 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 20:33:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 20:33:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.41) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 20:33:23 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n14.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 20:33:22 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.69] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 20:33:22 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 20:33:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 773447.58765.bm@omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 97550 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 20:33:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.121.109.37 with plain) by smtp117.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 20:33:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZoPrWrIVM1nY1sDjK1nZSBYFq.nqHMg6m3VsbYiwBDqEvAL4eZnyIkrgiw_C5uM5TcR2H4wpZYfDnArUP.5wZ2TWo1DvxByZoBWzWedMiQxwfMoU_UVNom4Bo5jabKoMo_3wlRb1fgRE0moRJJa84xqZsF_PLbqtbXVqGnUbg18S610A X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <00e901c92271$a0eceba0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <20080928.085829.14035.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> <00e901c92271$a0eceba0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <569E2DA9-7FE8-4BEF-A34C-481E30D3D4DA@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:33:20 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Mi gr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=_uq6QCZRLsje9hX1jgu6KphlSyMtc7jYXO6SnTRVfl2ReYg7vw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Forget AM Stereo today. The Bush Administration has caused the economy to be placed in severe peril. To make it worse, 12 Republicans refused to vote along with 60% of the Democrats to slow the economic wreckage that will follow. Many will lose their jobs from here on out. It is the Dies Irae. Kevin On Sep 29, 2008, at 3:20 PM, wrote: > I'll gladly take the blame. I had no intentions of this turning > into another flame war and just wanted a handful of opinions. I > had noticed the list had been pretty quiet the few days prior and > thought I'd take advantage of the lull in the action. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Sep 29 13:33:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14641 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 20:33:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 20:33:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 20:33:30 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.52] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080929152213100101200010.0) with SMTP id <20080929152213100101200010> for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:22:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <010101c92271$eeae02c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <645452.91574.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:22:13 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=-Dc1Weng0RZ9U7Un__UWDUQCyzbbb1rKLdWph7I3OJR8t60z44f6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe you hadn't noticed, but CC is a fraction of its former size as are most of the big broadcasting companies. Even Salem has been selling off some markets. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Simple...get the GOPs out of the way, re-regulate the ownership limits, ClearChannel goes bye-bye, and hopefully takes their IBOC, crappy analog sound, and anti-stereo rules with them! So long Plutocrats, Hello C-QUAM! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Sep 29 13:57:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51391 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 20:57:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 20:57:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.170) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 20:57:55 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so2804504wfa.0 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:57:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.226.14 with SMTP id y14mr2897157rvg.188.1222721875824; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.111? (68-115-229-042.static.spbg.sc.charter.com [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm715356ywn.0.2008.09.29.13.57.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <198A7997-9AF1-4ACB-81E0-81D3DA7F9C34@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:21:02 -0400 References: <195338.1960.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=vt3nEoB08INDam3-v7DVno5XfJFuvbreSUqfheul9tAbkijuFOq7k2kGA74zUA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Sep 28, 2008, at 9:32 PM, kevin redding wrote: > There is a regional burger joint around here called Backyard Burgers > and they are very good. Yes, there is a Backyard Burger in Greenville, SC and it ROCKS. Still, my favorite is Pete's From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 14:00:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40045 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 21:00:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 21:00:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 21:00:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 89108 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2008 21:00:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pxvaN04VM1k_29vbT6EWpx9ErsprUMZHsIr4X8V7fg12vh0JlLHMCtgzi0Z5nl7BqreaTNJzEQmYR_z6fpg5sRXXZHXYOPSM4KxFmztS106807bYHJiHdF2KwZmsge7MIsPg6V7Ln6No9TG3wMo7KAyUVFIOaE7cvr66u5foo_5QJg.5 X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:00:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:00:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <569E2DA9-7FE8-4BEF-A34C-481E30D3D4DA@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <755072.89055.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Mi gr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=da6Qb4m21Kzo0dQhqo3xUaf_xkf6hzU0XmX9Fj6BJoI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW But if those OTHER Democrats had voted for it.... the bill would have passed. So there's blame on both sides to go around. Powell --- On Mon, 9/29/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Mi gr > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 4:33 PM > Forget AM Stereo today. The Bush Administration has caused > the > economy to be placed in severe peril. To make it worse, 12 > > Republicans refused to vote along with 60% of the Democrats > to slow > the economic wreckage that will follow. Many will lose > their jobs > from here on out. > > It is the Dies Irae. > From w6yn@juno.com Mon Sep 29 14:26:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21063 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 21:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 21:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 21:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail05.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.145]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEQCUA2AW7QA6J for (sender ); Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:26:48 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD92jfAUnpPP5HywLDzg2cB4= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail05.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NWAN4YN3; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:25:54 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.26.65] by webmail05.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:25:52 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:25:52 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080929.142552.3718.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 14:7:2000248153 X-MAIL-INFO:2a41fd90fd90108510a08010ad80e5e1a134d5c494c4596450d584c5bdd4cd7d04c4854151e40cc4e4ada064a04180e40159d9297519a074d90025e13924392491799150f991a1f9d4d9613011ed45ed14c1211135b49440549584ed79e1b0b59dedb5a150c150e1f9b5a414d0ddb96029d929c075e5c075e9d9752dddd055348549adf4cde4190d7d51104019ade401a9741074e0bd216dd010adbd692dc02d7461bd21b1110c1d75212d61f5ed9d312d40ed354d89953d313d84a9e139a504f0f5b47050dde1dd79a470a5d4949980f9c4d4d5a5a550cd9dcdd5d53010d584fd41b9c9e4ad10adb1559005 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.145|webmail05.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Mi gr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=vz08hwqKaQRmaRm4yDyPo2ftwq5107MgYWkwQmuvGw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn The rules that control the economy are created by Congress NOT "The Bush Ad= ministration." We can assign a lot of blame for this crisis... there is cer= tainly a lot to go around. Hubris and greed on Wall Street played a signifi= cant part... But let's not get so distracted that we forget the real irony here... namel= y that those who are now pretending to come to the rescue with solutions li= ke knights on white horses -- I'm talking about the men and women we elect = to Congress -- bear a major share of the blame! They all lived off big campaign contributions and the swill of the lobbyist= s who strong armed them into permission to steal. The people who are trying to steer this plan through Congress are the very = characters who brought us this crisis. And they are already looking for pol= itical and financial goodies they can hang on to the plan. =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 But there is another cause of this crisis that we cannot ignore: the near-i= ncestuous relationship between politicians and big-time government-supporte= d financial institutions. Fannie and Freddie spent more than $200 million lobbying Congress over the = past decade. Among politicians, Barack Obama ranked number three in terms o= f campaign contributions received from the two agencies=97more than $100,00= 0. His chief adviser in the vice-presidential vetting process is a former C= EO of Fannie Mae. As our political leaders wrangle and haggle and jockey to score political p= oints, it would be nice to let them know that we are not fooled are some of= us fully aware of the roll they played in this mess.=20 Don -- "Powell E. Way III" wrote: But if those OTHER Democrats had voted for it.... the bill would have passe= d. So there's blame on both sides to go around.=20=20=20 Powell --- On Mon, 9/29/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's= AM Mi gr > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 4:33 PM > Forget AM Stereo today. The Bush Administration has caused > the=20=20 > economy to be placed in severe peril. To make it worse, 12=20 >=20 > Republicans refused to vote along with 60% of the Democrats > to slow=20=20 > the economic wreckage that will follow. Many will lose > their jobs=20=20 > from here on out. >=20 > It is the Dies Irae. > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 14:31:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16179 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 21:31:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 21:31:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 21:31:50 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 21:31:47 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.73] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 21:31:47 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 21:31:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 225069.91958.bm@omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 1782 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 21:31:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.121.109.37 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 21:31:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GXmPPA8VM1nd4Ct8ojGSSALUOk1vrh_rQXiFaZEazFuYS8gb2hT2v5nsu4UDzFIJd3Wg7pA0aHq4sO_RN25FUfi6MmKb4AUAuymzGzvRU2wnXUHnXcBtwnW8cZgOhHsqAPPsrmzNxOxjls.58jn.es1j8Og- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20080929.142552.3718.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com> References: <20080929.142552.3718.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2B7651A0-CB0E-46FD-8520-D9C2BC6A4993@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:31:44 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Mi gr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=NZITKM9lu3LSMCOcHP92w_ABZS4S1Ug-8mM6gAb1aMrCIfuaTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Sep 29, 2008, at 9:25 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > The rules that control the economy are created by Congress NOT "The > Bush Administration." We can assign a lot of blame for this > crisis... there is certainly a lot to go around. Hubris and greed > on Wall Street played a significant part... Yeah, it was the Republican Bush Administration who set the stage and the GOP which has run the Congress for 6 of the last 7 years. They should have done something about it when they had the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches. All they did was pass laws to make things easier for the rich. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 14:39:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52551 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 21:38:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 21:38:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 21:38:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 33744 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2008 21:38:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: E4MKI_MVM1mM7KL6rUfNrZWmLGboIhCnASjr6WU3ZqpqN6JiE3hg81ssWwmA_7y025GHW06uZ0DXJ4wsFuLCSP91ubU3wIkcYOHer9tHzYmTeixie_llXer_GznEKdNDzo9PFpmYFOL38wYYyFYY1oUcLnSELu36afsh2vx37WWfotB3GNM- X-Received: from [24.192.185.0] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:38:58 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:38:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <564801.8615.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <814294.33433.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=3bYRu5PZIy9p4zAEmKLSmiYlnuYxehkHIfrH0QoEGmadeQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Keith, I have all three close by, and agree completely with your ratings! --- On Mon, 9/29/08, keith beesley wrote: > From: keith beesley > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 1:30 AM > Watch it, guys, or we're going to get into a doughnut > flame war: Tim Horton's vs. Dunkin' Donuts vs. > Krispee Kreme (sp?). > > My take: > > No. 1: Tim's > No. 2: Dunkin' > No. 3: Krispee (they have decent coffee, though). > > 73, > Keith Beesley, Seattle WA > > > --- On Sun, 9/28/08, kevin redding > wrote: > > > From: kevin redding > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 8:10 PM > > They have one off I-95 near Warwick, RI. > > > > Kevin > > > > On Sep 28, 2008, at 8:49 PM, J Gualda Q Media wrote: > > > > > In another OT..I found a Tim Horton's in West > > Virginia..I didn't > > > know they > > > were outside of Canada. Good Coffee and great > pastries > > & > > > donuts.."Mmmmm > > > Donuts" > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups > > Links > > > > > > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 15:07:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13043 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 22:07:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 22:07:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 22:07:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 78726 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2008 22:07:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: I0nZNjoVM1mEh1ug6Tt9atfkr6WjBRpWq55qdO67iPc1vt42NjjmsGrZgsFbM.JKI8BLuKwvPAb6FiVuP2R6yrgzne1PwMqIzrrX6czXL_zWyZe3.iyqze_MrlHSgiTq7FJrr_CV1Oc6S3eTYkxGni0YlWI5Mvprckgpbm_uwkjxHUBfLw-- X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:07:36 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:07:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <814294.33433.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <742435.76538.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers, Donuts, Hotdogs, radio staple foods. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=WxbkxP5GJ_B4hqwWILmm2y8mHkT-sq5GFVFewo_TskDTMLbO7ckU X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We had all 3 but are now just down to the 1st 2.=A0 Krispy Kreme left this = area except for in the supermarkets.=A0 Even that I think it's just Shaw's. =A0 We also have Honey Dew up here which I like better that Dunkin'.=A0 Still, = Sip & Dip is pretty good too. --- On Mon, 9/29/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 5:38 PM Keith, I have all three close by, and agree completely with your ratings! --- On Mon, 9/29/08, keith beesley wrote: > From: keith beesley > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 1:30 AM > Watch it, guys, or we're going to get into a doughnut > flame war: Tim Horton's vs. Dunkin' Donuts vs. > Krispee Kreme (sp?).=20 >=20 > My take: >=20 > No. 1: Tim's > No. 2: Dunkin'=20 > No. 3: Krispee (they have decent coffee, though).=20 >=20 > 73, > Keith Beesley, Seattle WA >=20 >=20 > --- On Sun, 9/28/08, kevin redding > wrote: >=20 > > From: kevin redding > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 8:10 PM > > They have one off I-95 near Warwick, RI. > >=20 > > Kevin > >=20 > > On Sep 28, 2008, at 8:49 PM, J Gualda Q Media wrote: > >=20 > > > In another OT..I found a Tim Horton's in West > > Virginia..I didn't=20 > > > know they > > > were outside of Canada. Good Coffee and great > pastries > > &=20 > > > donuts.."Mmmmm > > > Donuts" > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! > Groups > > Links > >=20 > >=20 > > =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Sep 29 15:51:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91656 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 22:51:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 22:51:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.253) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 22:51:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 22:51:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 22:51:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:51:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.253 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.8.245.188 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: OT: BURGERS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=7QzwLLenDdxVXHKxyE-uFZB4Rh1pSOATOLCJyVYcF4P-mH8 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane How could I forget Culver's and their famous Butter Burgers. I think they are a midwest only franchise, but they are goooooood! Juan From gowrone@gmail.com Mon Sep 29 15:53:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gowrone@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29654 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 22:53:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 22:53:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ey-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.78.147) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 22:53:09 -0000 X-Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so619099eyg.60 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:53:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.210.126.18 with SMTP id y18mr6962248ebc.91.1222728788474; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.100? (12-210-55-115.client.mchsi.com [12.210.55.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm1455691eyj.3.2008.09.29.15.53.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <899B3B9B-708F-4BE6-BDE4-1C97476A1A6C@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:52:22 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.78.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Matthew Elliff Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: BURGERS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=285717100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mmmmmm yes they are! On Sep 29, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Juan Gualda wrote: > How could I forget Culver's and their famous Butter Burgers. > > I think they are a midwest only franchise, but they are goooooood! > > Juan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Mon Sep 29 16:23:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34459 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 23:23:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 23:23:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s5.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.205) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 23:23:45 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W55 ([64.4.19.155]) by bay0-omc3-s5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:23:22 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:23:21 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <899B3B9B-708F-4BE6-BDE4-1C97476A1A6C@gmail.com> References: <899B3B9B-708F-4BE6-BDE4-1C97476A1A6C@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2008 23:23:22.0419 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D604030:01C9228A] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: Culvers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=U78TmJ6CfrENIfHWb3BrY6VBuLmzKi_EojjG9_tAo-U9vSBj9DLv X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Having just left Illinois, I miss Culvers. They had good food and good prices. I particularly enjoyed their Reuben. It was great. MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Mon Sep 29 16:25:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19882 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 23:25:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 23:25:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s39.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.239) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 23:25:40 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W8 ([64.4.19.108]) by bay0-omc3-s39.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:25:41 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:25:40 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <2B7651A0-CB0E-46FD-8520-D9C2BC6A4993@yahoo.com> References: <20080929.142552.3718.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com> <2B7651A0-CB0E-46FD-8520-D9C2BC6A4993@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2008 23:25:41.0055 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0026CF0:01C9228A] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.239 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Mi gr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=SkJ_vOr4YpKWct6CfIQAaxD0-WBOmVV0HKX0dlZotfZcR1lXhOlO X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, today the Republican side of the House of Representatives saw to it that the bail-out failed. MTGC (Michadel To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: big_h00pla@yahoo.comDate: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:31:44 -0500Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Mi gr On Sep 29, 2008, at 9:25 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote:> The rules that control the economy are created by Congress NOT "The > Bush Administration." We can assign a lot of blame for this > crisis... there is certainly a lot to go around. Hubris and greed > on Wall Street played a significant part...Yeah, it was the Republican Bush Administration who set the stage and the GOP which has run the Congress for 6 of the last 7 years.They should have done something about it when they had the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches. All they did was pass laws to make things easier for the rich.Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Sep 29 16:28:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37704 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 23:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 23:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.79) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 23:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 23:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 23:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 23:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 23:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 23:28:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2008 23:28:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:28:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.8.245.188 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: Culvers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=mXq5J567i7GPK016hW_hKeAnc9k8ilOUi4E6ihAYlCUa6bU X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON -=20 CEO wrote: > >=20 > Having just left Illinois, I miss Culvers. They had good food and=20 good prices. I particularly enjoyed their Reuben. It was great. >=20=20 > MTGC (Michael) >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Culver's was great comfort fast food. I would usually top off the meal=20 with one of their custards or malts..... I could use one now. Juan From gowrone@gmail.com Mon Sep 29 16:30:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gowrone@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57515 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2008 23:30:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2008 23:30:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.187) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2008 23:30:49 -0000 X-Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d21so995708nfb.35 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:30:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.210.119.16 with SMTP id r16mr7033474ebc.24.1222731048065; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.100? (12-210-55-115.client.mchsi.com [12.210.55.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm1534519eyg.0.2008.09.29.16.30.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9CA8E8DB-20AD-4363-9942-635E0D087863@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:29:59 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Matthew Elliff Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Culvers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=285717100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit that's a really good place to eat. grin. On Sep 29, 2008, at 6:28 PM, Juan Gualda wrote: > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - > CEO wrote: > > > > > > Having just left Illinois, I miss Culvers. They had good food and > good prices. I particularly enjoyed their Reuben. It was great. > > > > MTGC (Michael) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Culver's was great comfort fast food. I would usually top off the meal > with one of their custards or malts..... > > I could use one now. > > Juan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 17:11:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67271 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 00:11:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 00:11:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 00:11:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18944 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Sep 2008 00:11:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3_lY1F4VM1khPgeawrSsThwDzkx5xrRH3Q1nRi9Tr2NQJ_zk4hOl637k5RkOrEzDLKM5hgBZmJOCswuoJWN8dhcya9oWaLwV_4z55kFInrfwRxfL8cO4xuSbwaTnVEUoHT5o3Ysi63UIYNF5RL7bH7JAVAkAjbvdfE1W8j0A6qo50TcOOqs- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:11:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:11:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <742435.76538.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <723409.17464.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers, Donuts, Hotdogs, radio staple foods. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=eDwZDorqsHKPwhfqMc1qkCylc4Pvy2UOZ-ZFM6R751BEqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Seems like some of the burger chains are very regional, indeed. On our cable TV system, there are at least a dozen drop-ins for Sonic...yet= I haven't found one in the Detroit area! Guess I better not complain, having lived in Cincy for years, I DID get to = eat the world's best chili...Skyline! :>) G --- On Mon, 9/29/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers, Donuts, Hotdogs, radio staple foods. > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 6:07 PM > We had all 3 but are now just down to the 1st 2.=A0 Krispy > Kreme left this area except for in the supermarkets.=A0 Even > that I think it's just Shaw's. > =A0 > We also have Honey Dew up here which I like better that > Dunkin'.=A0 Still, Sip & Dip is pretty good too. >=20 > --- On Mon, 9/29/08, george russell > wrote: >=20 > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 5:38 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Keith, I have all three close by, and agree completely with > your ratings! >=20 > --- On Mon, 9/29/08, keith beesley com> wrote: >=20 > > From: keith beesley > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 1:30 AM > > Watch it, guys, or we're going to get into a > doughnut > > flame war: Tim Horton's vs. Dunkin' Donuts vs. > > Krispee Kreme (sp?).=20 > >=20 > > My take: > >=20 > > No. 1: Tim's > > No. 2: Dunkin'=20 > > No. 3: Krispee (they have decent coffee, though).=20 > >=20 > > 73, > > Keith Beesley, Seattle WA > >=20 > >=20 > > --- On Sun, 9/28/08, kevin redding > > wrote: > >=20 > > > From: kevin redding > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 8:10 PM > > > They have one off I-95 near Warwick, RI. > > >=20 > > > Kevin > > >=20 > > > On Sep 28, 2008, at 8:49 PM, J Gualda Q Media > wrote: > > >=20 > > > > In another OT..I found a Tim Horton's in > West > > > Virginia..I didn't=20 > > > > know they > > > > were outside of Canada. Good Coffee and > great > > pastries > > > &=20 > > > > donuts.."Mmmmm > > > > Donuts" > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > >=20 > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo > rumYahoo! > > Groups > > > Links > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Sep 29 17:49:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37637 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 00:49:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 00:49:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.132) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 00:49:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2008 00:49:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2008 00:49:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:49:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <723409.17464.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.8.245.188 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: OT:Hot Dogs & AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=4amhU2y15ya_kEXjV8KOcSlZmpZ8CpoD5uqj8tzPfJGipn8 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane What are the names of some of the regional / International brands of=20 Hot Dogs out there ? We have none here, except Sabrett & Nathan's, and those were brought=20 down with the Yankees from New York. Anyone check to see if 1540 Bahamas is still in Stereo ?=20 MY AM Stereo radio is currently packed away...... Juan From w6yn@juno.com Mon Sep 29 17:52:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89021 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 00:52:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 00:52:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 00:52:13 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail05.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.145]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEQC799A7GYAD2 for (sender ); Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:51:11 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD/FGgTrczGD5AZYNxW50MkQ= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail05.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NWA2TQAG; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:50:34 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.26.65] by webmail05.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:49:46 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:49:46 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080929.174946.15997.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 3:4:4091735644 X-MAIL-INFO:25b3eb1f37be5abaee37beaabe877e2a1e77abd3 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.145|webmail05.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: RE: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Mi gr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=X3sN0LBA26EupTRCeKSapopRIrEX3X0ECLmGyJeSIQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn With 12 votes short, 95 Democrats vote against the issue and it's the Repub= licans fault? How can anyone argue with solid logic like that! Don -- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: Well, today the Republican side of the House of Representatives saw to it t= hat the bail-out failed. =20 MTGC (Michadel To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: big_h00pla@yahoo.comDate: Mon, 29 Se= p 2008 16:31:44 -0500Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, wa= s- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Mi gr On Sep 29, 2008, at 9:25 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote:> The rules that contro= l the economy are created by Congress NOT "The > Bush Administration." We c= an assign a lot of blame for this > crisis... there is certainly a lot to g= o around. Hubris and greed > on Wall Street played a significant part... On Sep 29, 2008, at 9:45 PM,The Wierdo wrote:>Yeah, it was the Republican B= ush Administration who set the stage and the GOP which has run the Congress= for 6 of the last 7 years.They should have done something about it when th= ey had the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches. All they did was p= ass laws to make things easier for the rich.Kevin=20 =20 From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 17:55:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28068 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 00:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 00:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n64a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.45.11) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 00:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n64.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2008 00:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2008 00:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.68] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2008 00:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2008 00:55:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 673401.97486.bm@omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 20824 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 00:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.121.109.37 with plain) by smtp114.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 00:55:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yf1xr6AVM1noFjnKxbW79hPigfWhw2e1mmX9dTpeb87OnHCGdEf57zojXYxhyE634nUrJIn2V4fQmwtaY95fUnTWvBb7QuZkmbcTHVl2Zwdof9GHSDP_TWSqjjDH6l5dSjEzfKQKt_DQVBcDuMO.QvLpt5sW2pkbzXeuB6cexIKpfJE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20080929.174946.15997.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com> References: <20080929.174946.15997.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <613E057A-869B-4ED5-9AA2-86EC79829F2C@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:55:09 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 98.136.45.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Mi gr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=A4Cfjh_AI6sW200VEEmB7zNX9bDXQqzWom2GXLwoZsfULTXmBA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla The negotiation in the House, McConnell said he had 100 GOP votes. If he had that many, the bill would have passed. If you are ignorant of this, McConnell is the head Republikan in the House. He made the deal. Looks like the Republikans didn't pull their weight AGAIN. Republikans Suck, Kevin On Sep 30, 2008, at 12:49 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > With 12 votes short, 95 Democrats vote against the issue and it's > the Republicans fault? > > How can anyone argue with solid logic like that! From w6yn@juno.com Mon Sep 29 18:11:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32398 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 01:11:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 01:11:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 01:11:36 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail05.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.145]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEQC9EHANQ8JSJ for (sender ); Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:10:31 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD4W/j4O1HIPItzvrK0WO770= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail05.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NWA3XX8L; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:10:21 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.26.65] by webmail05.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:09:25 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:09:25 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080929.180925.15997.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:1108146684 X-MAIL-INFO:01fadbc7a3ce57a37a77bb6f0ace9a4bd747bf8ff70a1f4e X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.145|webmail05.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Mi gr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=jkxIjjProW_2Bn61A_MOuBQ5O4PwH0ZuxOz4IcBctw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn On Sep 30, 2008, at 12:49 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > With 12 votes short, 95 Democrats vote against the issue and it's=20=20 > the Republicans fault? > > How can anyone argue with solid logic like that! =20 You would gain more respect if you could learn to NOT resort to name callin= g and juvenile expressions of disrespect. Mom told you to stay in school - = Now you know why. By the way: McConnell is the Senate Leader NOT the House leader.=20=20 Don -- kevin redding wrote: The negotiation in the House, McConnell said he had 100 GOP votes. If=20=20 he had that many, the bill would have passed. If you are ignorant of this, McConnell is the head Republikan in the=20=20 House. He made the deal. Looks like the Republikans didn't pull their weight AGAIN. Republikans Suck, Kevin On Sep 30, 2008, at 12:49 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > With 12 votes short, 95 Democrats vote against the issue and it's=20=20 > the Republicans fault? > > How can anyone argue with solid logic like that! From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 18:12:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26525 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 01:12:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 01:12:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.125.177) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 01:12:39 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n12.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2008 01:12:38 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.242] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2008 01:12:38 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp403.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2008 01:12:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 691264.42470.bm@omp403.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 76522 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 01:12:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.121.109.37 with plain) by smtp121.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 01:12:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mF1lZT4VM1ko.YRixdXVJf0ll1RWrlA08LsXPsLd9FpVQ_2XhfR3tWbfK5URxFJbmycvXhaffWkqd9ia.hCYX2.Dxuh902hF3.6ojiiF0YT5X10KQsufbbS90ltz6tMHaGPX0qY6jVWsPnat1n3DsbuXB1Q- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20080929.180925.15997.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> References: <20080929.180925.15997.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:12:36 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.125.177 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Mi gr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=YQGVauTzFYV98cPrk3JWs3IZ7U71FQ29MweL37VUguU_Q2DrUA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Sep 30, 2008, at 1:09 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > You would gain more respect if you could learn to NOT resort to > name calling and juvenile expressions of disrespect. Mom told you > to stay in school - Now you know why. Republikans still suck. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 18:16:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22198 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 01:16:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 01:16:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.125.177) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 01:16:50 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n12.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2008 01:16:50 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.64] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2008 01:16:50 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp416.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2008 01:16:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 294997.91090.bm@omp416.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 14547 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 01:16:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.121.109.37 with plain) by smtp119.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 01:16:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8sxk3dIVM1lsPx8ZrC8.M4QBKuzapzGSmkRCppBtc3KyJrecuOR8wu8A9SamUcxNmjmAfyAwDsgP70c0SuidjsGq.RUdt489ivFcETmosb826bRCtzsqNej8QdPvCYifWtFoZWrqM.qkbra.2Wt2p.UmYZ_DAiogCPuahL97jz2qEHjM X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:16:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.125.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Yo Don, Read This! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=QO7a_JzsvhCBVctp5vToi95OtNgAJiT7tpAL5vN0ETUjR-1ZVg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Republicans in Congress see election odds worsening Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:57pm EDT By Richard Cowan - Analysis WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republicans' hopes for only modest losses in November's congressional election appeared to be fading as fears of an economic collapse and panic on Wall Street fuel U.S. voters' wrath, political analysts and lawmakers said on Monday. The House's failure to pass a $700 billion bailout for financial institutions, at least partly because of significant Republican opposition, could contribute to the volatility of an already chaotic election season. But more time will be needed to gauge the impact. "Democrats have actually gained momentum because of the economic crisis in the past few weeks," Larry Sabato, a political science professor at the University of Virginia, told Reuters shortly before the House of Representatives vote. While the trend is not irreversible, "on the whole, a bad economy hurts the president's party and the president's party is the Republican Party," he said. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has already seen his lead in opinion polls widen over Republican rival John McCain, with the economy topping voters' worries. Sabato pointed to several congressional races where incumbent Republicans had been doing well, only to see their poll numbers drop in recent weeks as voters focused more and more on the economy. He cited a Courier-Journal Bluegrass poll in which Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell now appeared locked in a "dead tie" against a challenger seeking his Kentucky seat, after earlier showing strong poll numbers. In Oregon, centrist Republican Sen. Gordon Smith, who is trying for a third six-year term, has also fallen into a dead heat with his opponent after looking as if he was making progress. With Congress having to deal with the difficult Wall Street crisis so close to the November 4 election, Sabato likened the situation to 1980, when Democratic President Jimmy Carter's re-election was doomed by the disastrous collapse of his efforts to rescue U.S. hostages being held in Iran. "That's what comes to mind," Sabato said. The political landscape had been brightening for Republicans in mid- to late-summer, when they successfully pushed for legislation allowing more domestic offshore oil exploration in the midst of record gasoline prices. 'DRILL BABY DRILL' Republicans, and even some Democrats, saw the "drill-baby-drill" approach resonating with voters and congressional Republicans were further buoyed by McCain's surprise pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate. Now, with Palin coming under intense scrutiny and stumbling in a high profile interview with CBS News, many Republicans are starting to worry about her qualifications for the vice presidency, congressional aides said. Gasoline prices, still steep in consumers' minds, have come off their high mark. Simultaneously, more weighty worries have taken over with the rash of failures of large U.S. banks and Wall Street firms, threatening voters' life savings. "We were on our way up until Thursday night," said Rep. Tom Cole, an Oklahoma conservative who leads efforts to elect more House Republicans. Then came the "political shock." He was referring to a briefing on Thursday September 18 at the Capitol when Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke warned of dire economic consequences unless Congress approved the $700 billion bailout to shore up the financial system. Cole's counterpart, Democratic Rep. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, would not predict how many seats his party would pick up on November 4, saying only that there will be gains. "There's no doubt that you've seen a significant change. The voters are very focused on the economy," he said. With U.S. unemployment rising, home foreclosures at record levels and the budget deficit skyrocketing, Van Hollen said "voters understand and are suffering the consequences of eight years of Bush economic policies." Republican Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, may have summed it up shortly before the bailout vote failed. "The problem is we're one month away from an election," he said. "We're all worried about losing our jobs." (Editing by Chris Wilson) http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USTRE48S8YR20080929 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Mon Sep 29 18:17:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64687 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 01:17:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 01:17:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 01:17:34 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail05.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.145]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEQC9RWAXYKGGJ for (sender ); Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:16:36 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD0peahw14lyHgVLMGiLKj+s= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail05.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NWA4AR3Z; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:16:16 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.26.65] by webmail05.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:16:14 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:16:14 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080929.181614.15997.2@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 6:3:2868549200 X-MAIL-INFO:5cb839313931cd99cd05b9cd75b9f50db1012d4c294c28e1192d1d41a921a549d94c99b83558484c587505e105b8b9587c28a89dd885055ca871880dace5ace5e96ce919fce9b1fc21a8986859e8f1e8658c615915c529c1095d1de86c0d78ec2ce8ecb1198c190dfcec7d6500793cbc9da89dadd8f5add8d1a8d8f87900f90199dc75bda55885c84935cdc18575587c4d5ccd5c11a9618d00cd75a938f8adf85c98a961c95948d5d861f89869e82ca1f8c1e815919c5d25a1251d4d0dac08d99569c5cc19790d796c7dcc08212945b9fc4c212d080819a52ca52d2d68cd2d1d39b83c3d5875cd75c9f931ed X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.145|webmail05.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Mi gr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=_YiSTQdtyywF1lpv3ia4DuAUHv2O5m1Nr9zayi4gtw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn By the way - Your mom wants you to move out of her basement before Xmas! -- kevin redding wrote: On Sep 30, 2008, at 1:09 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > You would gain more respect if you could learn to NOT resort to=20=20 > name calling and juvenile expressions of disrespect. Mom told you=20=20 > to stay in school - Now you know why. Republikans still suck. Kevin ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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(big_h00pla@75.121.109.37 with plain) by smtp126.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 01:28:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ytKn8J0VM1keRnCvqYfd5Ph7PtB7i.nXCMWVv0GsbYffSsLNHG5LkhExeX6KG1f8er13Wp.CSU_6ohamBqu.Uq0E0biEna5EYrxYD86w6Pr4b7htDvmCjsx3kTEdi0KJouTlToj6biclQ.REGgcBWBMIA1o- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20080929.181614.15997.2@webmail05.dca.untd.com> References: <20080929.181614.15997.2@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:28:51 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Mi gr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=hJrWcm8Tgns0EPc_hjklj54xPzQeXFtc25Lz4AnIJ-FDU5NP1A X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Bet my house and properties are much bigger than yours. :) Sadly my mom died of cancer in 1990. I wish she were still here. Kevin On Sep 30, 2008, at 1:16 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > By the way - Your mom wants you to move out of her basement before > Xmas! From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 19:18:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8366 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 02:18:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 02:18:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.227) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 02:18:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11344 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Sep 2008 02:18:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mQIUi7wVM1mjHU2G94Gxi_dpcTrKbbvsGf2nzaGvgfGaSKItwp0oCWXCP0QudSK0LmdFMT9gW6C0QGOubJ8UlfJVoYs7rWgLT0qyf_9S.pKpDXpm9BLxaZToADh8Lz7JOs.31qchcQUzbsuHyK_woxA7XykunvoypoxhIdbtGZFRrQi9jg-- X-Received: from [64.223.58.95] by web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:18:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:18:43 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <86306.10521.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Friggin' Cool! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=m-fBJXqeea-u9UNqNKPgvTEcXwKft5rtSDM9s5PB_HBrQ1XYiufV X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was putzing around Youtube & looked up AM stereo.=A0 Through other things= , it led me to a video of a refurbished mono Optimod 9000 with a waveform m= onitor.=A0 The song playing is, appropriate for the video: "She Blinded Me = With Science."=A0 I like my music on waveform monitors & VU meters! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dhixt7mMwo_M =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 06:51:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34461 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 13:51:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 13:51:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 13:51:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36227 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Sep 2008 13:51:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LSczKhsVM1nrHQnyHe8oXJt2W7tpuluJB6QlfM3i0Iu.xjRi1lOI0CSYIoXRIKB8KbtR9lIltO7I6lJ6DooZYyg2BUKax7nuOG1c6hkVntUqZIMgKvEiMd6muQvv1gdjuxQAUSp6mTA.ubQIXb7vqW5O X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 06:51:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 06:51:34 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <732945.35485.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re:Friggin' Cool! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=wv0vRUlKXhlCcT7l3XYdHOA2fbPyX_5Qubm43m_mHbgqrKvuTpkl65E X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Very cool YouTube video of the Optimod 9000A - but I want a 9000B for C-Quam AM stereo. I did an AM stereo search, and came up with a video of Boy George at an AM Stereo station! What a weird combination. From jmrouse@mail.com Tue Sep 30 07:20:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43812 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 14:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 14:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 14:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 85D8B1800435 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:20:56 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.51) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 30 Sep 2008 14:20:36 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 99D0947808F; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:20:55 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:20:55 -0500 X-Received: from [71.185.14.37] by ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:20:55 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20080930142055.99D0947808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Mi gr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=jhHNwMkXnqTwhn8Mn-OvWQGqpelqixmy2NDTyeM_iqeJn096iT_q X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 I'm sorry to hear that, Kevin.=A0 Some hurts in this life never go away. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin redding"=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's A= M Mi gr Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:28:51 -0500 Bet my house and properties are much bigger than yours. :) Sadly my mom died of cancer in 1990. I wish she were still here. Kevin On Sep 30, 2008, at 1:16 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > By the way - Your mom wants you to move out of her basement before Xmas! ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links --=20 Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From w6yn@juno.com Tue Sep 30 09:03:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8983 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 16:03:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 16:03:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 16:03:29 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail01.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.141]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEQEVQPAWTAQHJ for (sender ); Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:03:25 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD26F8zuXC7Km3gLWl4X3XwM= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail01.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NWCN2VSP; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:03:15 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.26.65] by webmail01.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:02:31 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:02:31 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080930.090231.15009.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 11:5:2390494034 X-MAIL-INFO:06e1b53de1501db5b050a5b0d150d920ed35ddededa989b1a9f53400958d24e9c040a95495a93141651d7054d9d0c191dda59070d114 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.141|webmail01.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=Y2O7zLpaUoCGfrlcc_XLrd-BZKJOhO6e-LFmRspIgA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn My final comment on this issue: Bailout Politics By Thomas Sowell September 30, 2008 Nothing could more painfully demonstrate what is wrong with Congress than t= he current financial crisis. Among the Congressional "leaders" invited to the White House to devise a ba= ilout "solution" are the very people who have for years created the risks t= hat have now come home to roost. Five years ago, Barney Frank vouched for the "soundness" of Fannie Mae and = Freddie Mac, and said "I do not see" any "possibility of serious financial = losses to the treasury." Moreover, he said that the federal government has "probably done too little= rather than too much to push them to meet the goals of affordable housing.= " Earlier this year, Senator Christopher Dodd praised Fannie Mae and Freddie = Mac for "riding to the rescue" when other financial institutions were cutti= ng back on mortgage loans. He too said that they "need to do more" to help = subprime borrowers get better loans. In other words, Congressman Frank and Senator Dodd wanted the government to= push financial institutions to lend to people they would not lend to other= wise, because of the risk of default. The idea that politicians can assess risks better than people who have spen= t their whole careers assessing risks should have been so obviously absurd = that no one would take it seriously. But the magic words "affordable housing" and the ugly word "redlining" led = to politicians directing where loans and investments should go, with such t= hings as the Community Reinvestment Act and various other coercions and thr= eats. The roots of this problem go back many years, but since the crisis to which= all this led happened on George W. Bush's watch, that is enough for those = who think in terms of talking points, without wanting to be confused by the= facts. In reality, President Bush tried unsuccessfully, years ago, to get Congress= to create some regulatory agency to oversee Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. N. Gregory Mankiw, his Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, warned= in February 2004 that expecting a government bailout if things go wrong "c= reates an incentive for a company to take on risk and enjoy the associated = increase in return." Since risky investments usually pay more than safer investments, the incent= ive is for a government-supported enterprise to take bigger risks, since th= ey get more profit if the risks pay off and the taxpayers get stuck with th= e losses if not. The government does not guarantee Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, but the widesp= read assumption has been that the government would step in with a bailout t= o prevent chaos in financial markets. Alan Greenspan, then head of the Federal Reserve System, made the same poin= t in testifying before Congress in February 2004. He said: "The Federal Res= erve is concerned" that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were using this implicit= reliance on a government bailout in a crisis to take more risks, in order = to "multiply the profitability of subsidized debt." Chairman Greenspan added his voice to those urging Congress to create a "re= gulator with authority on a par with that of banking regulators" to reduce = the riskiness of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, a riskiness ultimately borne b= y the taxpayers. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac do not deserve to be bailed out, but neither do = workers, families and businesses deserve to be put through the economic wri= nger by a collapse of credit markets, such as occurred during the Great Dep= ression of the 1930s. Neither do the voters deserve to be deceived on the eve of an election by t= he notion that this is a failure of free markets that should be replaced by= political micro-managing. If Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were free market institutions they could not = have gotten away with their risky financial practices because no one would = have bought their securities without the implicit assumption that the polit= icians would bail them out. It would be better if no such government-supported enterprises had been cre= ated in the first place and mortgages were in fact left to the free market.= This bailout creates the expectation of future bailouts. Phasing out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac would make much more sense than lett= ing politicians play politics with them again, with the risk and expense be= ing again loaded onto the taxpayers. --- Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford Univer= sity, Stanford, CA 94305. His Web site is www.tsowell.com.=20 ------------------------------ -- kevin redding wrote: Bet my house and properties are much bigger than yours. :) Sadly my mom died of cancer in 1990. I wish she were still here. Kevin From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 10:19:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79447 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 17:19:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 17:19:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 17:19:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30409 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Sep 2008 17:19:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xbcuFMcVM1kH7ivSEbrAYDcIaNveA7IRKq.uq9TmAHT.VwXHS_iSVtiCcMPHst_3pQwF_GxG42b8TcYc2gGQqqZwNOGr9lgPB0xxVN0nxwuhmn9T_3IZvuMS1LCkH9viAWXOgP_OVoFCwAzoezNxd9OI X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:19:53 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:19:53 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <523262.28682.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: BestBuy Tuner with CQuam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=mFmmbQLXGUXJ-sN9abAcYjwCVA6pzmtwRtmEFhGgNQxfcr4S7zLW8eg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio On your next visit to BestBuy, you might see their new HD Radio Compoenet stereo Tuner Model: NS-HDTUNE. It looks a lot like the decent Sangean tuner. I could not test it in the store. If somebody else here would care to try, I would like to know if it has the advanced features, like 'lockable analog' and C-QUAM AM Stereo, or if it is a chintzy version? Check-it-out and report back here if we have another CQUAM tuner for the masses, or another store brand POS. 73s John From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 10:25:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72873 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 17:25:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 17:25:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 17:25:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 83856 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Sep 2008 17:25:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: c57Ug68VM1mew9SwTDZ1x1rIFTKnD0tBPl57yBydLPNm_3nIa790Jr1zyhTGjcWnPWBOLiX979tzzMD9CsReK2GmcuaRHyEBNvyjfPMyYDMohE7DMjObxOhnSjHYfrrwiJoMBP9HefsMVjN9QeBZApLPJ2qZJIsc7Y2udzKhaXREnymV X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:25:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:25:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <732945.35485.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <753049.82926.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=2WHGFUheELbShOe9s4ku1Uv5smk85dLXH0n4y9_TVfk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW There are chips in the 9000 that are unobtanium, and there are NO replacements that will work. IF they fail, you have a doorstop. At WKDK we have a 9100B. That's the better way to go. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 9/30/08, John P. wrote: > Very cool YouTube video of the Optimod 9000A - but I want a > 9000B for C-Quam AM stereo. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 11:01:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66345 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 18:01:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 18:01:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.185) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 18:01:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45954 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Sep 2008 18:01:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8kau.rcVM1kSLoNokGOFcslG8TAJQFKHgwthIZnJcjEhtuIoHR.VMOk0llyezPRm0A7CPccffLZOp8BJylkgEKCQau1Y7tCiTPiUN04BNGsPHlHXblYTkGgl3U3Se7YgRBVViN43p_XsQa9jc3gybDHAhGCQ X-Received: from [64.223.58.95] by web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:01:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:01:10 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <415110.45620.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Youtube stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=QebXZ5yw1J__IWDw_xN6T3fmxwQ_iO6hKxeEK36s7M5FMJivKfE9 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I found this hint on the song description of a page.=A0 If you add "&fmt=3D= 18" to the end of a Youtube file it comes out in stereo, if it was recorded= that way.=A0 I'm listening to Greg Kihn's Jeopardy in stereo right now.=A0= It also worked with the pic of the Optimod 9000! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 11:25:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69094 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 18:25:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 18:25:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 18:25:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42079 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Sep 2008 18:25:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MvbUG5oVM1kMtX8.Fou8H3yDrCNESzEqduFZ3TgqJmLQo.OI9xSyuz4K2R05m0FKfA-- X-Received: from [64.223.58.95] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:25:00 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:25:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <415110.45620.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <347569.41238.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} SCRATCH THAT-Youtube stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=jPEThv3ccsBpy1ydsiPAxmzf5AMPsAxwkr6jhjjvfSIw8TdCWcrG X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've since tried it on a couple of other tracks to no avail.=A0 Sorry for w= asting your time. Jay --- On Tue, 9/30/08, JNR wrote: From: JNR Subject: {AMSF} Youtube stereo To: "AMSF" Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 2:01 PM =20=20=20=20 I found this hint on the song description of a page.=A0 If you = add "&fmt=3D18" to the end of a Youtube file it comes out in stereo, if it = was recorded that way.=A0 I'm listening to Greg Kihn's Jeopardy in stereo r= ight now.=A0 It also worked with the pic of the Optimod 9000! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Sep 30 13:09:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53519 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 20:09:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 20:09:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 20:09:21 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so48779ywr.42 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:09:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.104.20 with SMTP id b20mr7804528agc.63.1222805361109; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.109? (66-191-213-175.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm2124940agd.37.2008.09.30.13.09.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <89FABDB3-C2C2-4EAF-A92D-A7B24631F3A3@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <753049.82926.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:09:18 -0400 References: <753049.82926.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.157 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=8JIGv4HJG_PnACDBcVaQamiApO1zV59mlIrPPe9HN0ca-KEu0BGCBCIPgDAquQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Sep 30, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > There are chips in the 9000 that are unobtanium, and there are NO > replacements that will work. IF they fail, you have a doorstop. Very true, but if you are in a "Loudness War", that Optimod 9000 is the "Nuclear Option"! Possum From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 14:45:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20192 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 21:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 21:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 21:45:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 62260 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Sep 2008 21:45:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: khSZ.kwVM1lv5bhRwgV7rgxS5.8ywtIE8VYNClCvLRJNMqyuaC465sEAoj_VNeTRIZyMdxqK1Lr0kHyKcGlSCwENpqvrfnlU8YHx.EtD7VvCVH1_KpFHxdRm65rpHbrH9SIvew36p4dTznXhH7WHY6mF6qcC._9FywB.6Rdsnwh.u8DL914- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:45:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:45:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20080929.180925.15997.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <909322.61928.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Mi gr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=ZsE7wlvnVRSSjQ5jIu2yCG7x_njED5DCAIIhZ229yFDzsQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Don't worry, Kevin, you still got MY respect...G --- On Mon, 9/29/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, was- Re: {AMSF} BMC's AM Mi gr > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 9:09 PM > On Sep 30, 2008, at 12:49 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > > With 12 votes short, 95 Democrats vote against the > issue and it's > > the Republicans fault? > > > > How can anyone argue with solid logic like that! > > You would gain more respect if you could learn to NOT > resort to name calling and juvenile expressions of > disrespect. Mom told you to stay in school - Now you know > why. > > By the way: McConnell is the Senate Leader NOT the House > leader. > > Don > > -- kevin redding wrote: > The negotiation in the House, McConnell said he had 100 GOP > votes. If > he had that many, the bill would have passed. > > If you are ignorant of this, McConnell is the head > Republikan in the > House. He made the deal. > > Looks like the Republikans didn't pull their weight > AGAIN. > > Republikans Suck, > Kevin > On Sep 30, 2008, at 12:49 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > > With 12 votes short, 95 Democrats vote against the > issue and it's > > the Republicans fault? > > > > How can anyone argue with solid logic like that! From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 14:55:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45108 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 21:55:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 21:55:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 21:55:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30182 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Sep 2008 21:55:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nFXPj3gVM1lWMchkclk1s36u6WZfDCmSPz4bXCTyfp5Zs.AF.17FlBI0AzWeCVJye8mEv.TaVMWz3ClnacWJngR.ssLPREwVNaXAwAPKX.3MDjlxB5p6GQP5qUl4.yJ6vXpBI1Esi9gz98Z0SGA06wTMNrwbNEHcg9ca.2ubqCdIZuOJy24- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:55:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:55:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <415110.45620.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <558070.30115.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Youtube stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Z4R_jzZGwTG5g9QXAxOBmdpNgwwjr0I_xI4jbZR5SdNxZw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 THANKS! I wondered if all the UT stuff was mono, although the WOWO post DI= D come out in stereo...maybe it had that magic ending on it already? Now I gotta go back to all my favorite stuff there, and see...G --- On Tue, 9/30/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: {AMSF} Youtube stereo > To: "AMSF" > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 2:01 PM > I found this hint on the song description of a page.=A0 If > you add "&fmt=3D18" to the end of a Youtube file > it comes out in stereo, if it was recorded that way.=A0 > I'm listening to Greg Kihn's Jeopardy in stereo > right now.=A0 It also worked with the pic of the Optimod > 9000! >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 14:56:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50109 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 21:56:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 21:56:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 21:56:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 39281 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Sep 2008 21:56:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8MP3zXMVM1nomdaOTVZNdQ0eQPoLCdc9p93.wXahkvgbErGXK6PwHR8aF7F.LJq4_w-- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:56:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:56:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <347569.41238.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <448582.37889.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} SCRATCH THAT-Youtube stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=OjnMa1swqUvIjK3Mth_3e7oXsMju7guqj6vaLj4jDThmnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Darn! Oh well, most of the wierd stuff I play is probably mono anyway, old TV logos, home made stuff, etc...G --- On Tue, 9/30/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} SCRATCH THAT-Youtube stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 2:25 PM > I've since tried it on a couple of other tracks to no > avail.=A0 Sorry for wasting your time. >=20 > Jay >=20 > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, JNR > wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: {AMSF} Youtube stereo > To: "AMSF" > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 2:01 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > I found this hint on the song description of a > page.=A0 If you add "&fmt=3D18" to the end of a > Youtube file it comes out in stereo, if it was recorded that > way.=A0 I'm listening to Greg Kihn's Jeopardy in > stereo right now.=A0 It also worked with the pic of the > Optimod 9000! >=20 >=20 >=20 > 73, >=20 > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 14:58:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72474 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 21:58:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 21:58:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 21:58:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 40514 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Sep 2008 21:58:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .UIV9qsVM1kUW52WGyuW0HtDQ9LhXpciYbI9FpW.P3P5_gkZ1lnjUUVQSdM6xk7fnMp6FXgUzjadUjNpKlDIfVZleiZvlLdxTp_9uR6ykQPvSpb_YYyiUTOXvzK2Rf0yJ4hAPJp7HkCXLZnwVdR2h9wl7T5BkJzFKjUoY674YQ81QrjR0lo- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:58:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:58:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <89FABDB3-C2C2-4EAF-A92D-A7B24631F3A3@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <290553.40494.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=RohOLp2yCxEAW8m000hQG3AtiqMA-RI-RON4Eyybc_6Bew X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Can't some of the chip-wise guys burn a replacement, or come up with an alternate circuit? Seems such a valuable piece of equipment would be worth the effort! G --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:09 PM > On Sep 30, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > > > There are chips in the 9000 that are unobtanium, and > there are NO > > replacements that will work. IF they fail, you have a > doorstop. > > Very true, but if you are in a "Loudness War", > that Optimod 9000 is > the "Nuclear Option"! > > Possum From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Sep 30 16:22:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72209 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 23:22:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 23:22:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 23:22:25 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d3d.2ab91ba6 (34893) for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:22:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA012-884d48e2b4a226a; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:22:11 -0400 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MC19 (webmail-mc19.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.96]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA026-5bb748e2b49b149; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:22:03 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:22:02 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 70.245.209.126 In-Reply-To: <290553.40494.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 70.245.209.126 by WEBMAIL-MC19.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.96) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:22:02 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF16A7AB774C0-9A8-26D2@WEBMAIL-MC19.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=xHDUP2CQdoDHzhxMX8wcDR0yTasuqXv2r1-kw1fLqhM4HOjcHziwkpr_Vm_NEnpT X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EPROMS can be copied.? There are arcade game guys and more legitimate value added suppliers that can do that.? However, ASICs cannot unless it was the prodigy of FPLA and the like. One of the consequences of large scale integration is the equipment is not repairable without proprietary parts.? I worked for several companies that used ASICs.? It was a common practice to have 1,000 pcs of a discontinued ASIC put away.? And these were not high value end products. For commercial products, especially high value commericial products, I imagine there are still ICs around.? As to the cost, if Orban is even willing to sell them to just anyone may be considerable. In tube days, most equipment was maintainable essentially indefinitely except for tape heads and the like. Hewlett Packard used to maintain replacement parts far beyond the minimum.? That was before the evil Queen of Darkness spun off the instrument division into Agilent.? Agilent decided to discontinue the time honored HP tradition so after. As with Agilent, Mr. Orban would like to sell you one of his new models, not keep your old one going or allow you to resurrect on from the dead. Mike P.S. -? Carly didn't believe that John McCain, while capable of being the Leader of the Free World, could run HP.? One thing is for certain, she couldn't which she proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. -----Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 4:58 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 Can't some of the chip-wise guys burn a replacement, or come up with an alternate circuit? Seems such a valuable piece of equipment would be worth the effort! G --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 Visit Your Group Give Back Yahoo! for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:09 PM > On Sep 30, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > > > There are chips in the 9000 that are unobtanium, and > there are NO > > replacements that will work. IF they fail, you have a > doorstop. > > Very true, but if you are in a "Loudness War", > that Optimod 9000 is > the "Nuclear Option"! > > Possum [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Sep 30 16:38:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73013 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 23:38:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 23:38:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 23:38:45 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.200] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080930183831102577500010.0) with SMTP id <20080930183831102577500010> for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:38:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00cf01c92356$85e35e80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <558070.30115.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:38:31 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Youtube stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=B4q2ok7QtO5s5a6F3y2AQpg1VAC1AyUk4JQIyaABR9OGqLoB77Ov X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've always found if it's stereo on You Tube it'll play out that way on my computer with no other intervention. Found that out a few years ago with the Global Warming song on the Minnesotans for Global Warming website- www.m4gw.com. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I wondered if all the UT stuff was mono, although the WOWO post DID come out in stereo --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 16:59:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60153 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2008 23:59:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2008 23:59:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2008 23:59:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27222 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Sep 2008 23:59:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2SMu1t4VM1lAj6NGKAytfJEePdlOvhQgpIKFlgbaWCFgVtHSD0mZ7HCaHtZ1So.8pgpiBx.jT_GTXDJXRTy6E4xk_YquIzPNZBAZSXNK7JDfsFwGRJ_8Rl.QdmmW2JrXPM.JuBdAq2cmiuflzTmeqZ0yhSa1o4p0N7dz4pu89nWMdCXt X-Received: from [209.213.19.69] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:59:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:59:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <89FABDB3-C2C2-4EAF-A92D-A7B24631F3A3@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <394599.25560.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=D8PDJMqfl73rxGGXqXEAQzdemstwnOSVayaZzYOtfEo X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net On AM these days there is *NO* excuse for thinking you have to be in a loudness war except to run off your listeners. Powell --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > On Sep 30, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > > > There are chips in the 9000 that are unobtanium, and > there are NO > > replacements that will work. IF they fail, you have a > doorstop. > > Very true, but if you are in a "Loudness War", > that Optimod 9000 is the "Nuclear Option"! > > Possum From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 17:01:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46658 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2008 00:01:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2008 00:01:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 00:01:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 75219 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Oct 2008 00:01:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7jGLQ40VM1ltHHkpxLmHFeb0VHf11YO38MgVT0apsz6vsgisbTKGM3fHMMDsUBQ6exp69XDHtUBAOXRpqK_J7.rg8IliCCfBULcM5J1OWH9nfA..gfKUOgRly2u9PCnrzd4iyPKDRU5LKOdwHMYPyjweR0ZwYkaJMEYgwW2Rc.TB9FAz X-Received: from [209.213.19.69] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:01:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:01:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <290553.40494.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <719734.74518.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=8XkYqwIb7-8zyQhWD1_uDK95ncpJFFzOEHp9lbi_B1g X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW The simple answer is NO. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 9/30/08, george russell wrote: > Can't some of the chip-wise guys burn a replacement, or > come up with an alternate circuit? Seems such a valuable > piece of equipment would be worth the effort! G From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 17:04:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97093 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2008 00:04:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2008 00:04:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 00:04:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 77896 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Oct 2008 00:04:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bE2r1GYVM1mm5nMtJX44paDQd_A.TQmn.1X3_L.zHPO0kN8AEbq0EGx2d_XEaOtEh7j8QhPqA3OoqQglKIjzJnand0r6v4ctdw3ZH5pMGWq9x11a9_slhMnzBnj9rjlRrreEL7vdbLreVCg_.o3X0qt0dwU.iXjgwfPfsWb3ZOdyJmAB X-Received: from [209.213.19.69] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:04:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:04:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAF16A7AB774C0-9A8-26D2@WEBMAIL-MC19.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <629661.77079.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=KJi9iqCiO5WUfdhAzQ6p5bJGNBP2cd3BOFtFlbTpxFw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW There was a supply of these chips AT ONE TIME. the 9000 series is quite old solid state wise. I will expect some chips for the 9100 to be unobtanium one day. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 9/30/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > One of the consequences of large scale integration is the > equipment is not repairable without proprietary parts.? I > worked for several companies that used ASICs.? It was a > common practice to have 1,000 pcs of a discontinued ASIC put > away.? And these were not high value end products. From jmrouse@mail.com Tue Sep 30 17:50:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72410 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2008 00:50:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2008 00:50:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 00:50:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2008 00:50:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2008 00:50:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:50:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.185.14.37 From: "radioguy50c5" Subject: Hole in the ground tower. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=qvmnNdUpZmYjw77WI77o_nmwdXJh7ji8L0NnKSH_24QdGA4xUw7L X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Hi gang, I read a small piece somewhere about a financially strapped radio=20 station who lost their lease on the tower site. They decided as an=20 experiment to put the "tower" 300+ feet into the ground, as they did=20 not have any other real estate to put one. Has anyone else heard of=20 this? If so, how is the signal propagation compared to the traditional air=20 tower? Also, what is the legality of this set-up? From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Sep 30 18:05:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72890 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2008 01:05:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2008 01:05:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 01:05:02 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.200] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20080930200432100546000010.0) with SMTP id <20080930200432100546000010> for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:04:32 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <010901c92362$8a6c72a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:04:32 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hole in the ground tower. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=TFx2xyrKC0ohFnrFMiO0erSV5o4_un8BcbgXaLtdGKTxqXjQc-UU X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds more like an urban legend to me. The ground would eat up the RF energy. I've heard of stations converting their STL towers, but not this. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: radioguy50c5 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 7:50 PM Subject: {AMSF} Hole in the ground tower. Hi gang, I read a small piece somewhere about a financially strapped radio station who lost their lease on the tower site. They decided as an experiment to put the "tower" 300+ feet into the ground, as they did not have any other real estate to put one. Has anyone else heard of this? If so, how is the signal propagation compared to the traditional air tower? Also, what is the legality of this set-up? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Tue Sep 30 18:23:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83355 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2008 01:22:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2008 01:22:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 01:22:59 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail03.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.143]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEQFWG7APJUUSJ for (sender ); Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:22:37 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD6aiBIqCSGHNosal9snZyeg= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail03.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NWDNZRNX; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:21:52 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.26.65] by webmail03.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 01:20:54 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 01:20:54 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20080930.182054.4693.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:2580962594 X-MAIL-INFO:524000ed00eded4df58db4f58d543de4496961890d7121210d59d909d90c21244d61498111ededb1f525212500 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.143|webmail03.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT- who the bailed-out are supporting, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=3cQbomwgibbef94bOjtar_qt549Of8U2pABGEn_FMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn A video too good to miss: http://www.youtube.com/TheMouthPeace From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Sep 30 18:52:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3875 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2008 01:52:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2008 01:52:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fmailhost06.isp.att.net) (207.115.11.56) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 01:52:51 -0000 X-Received: from owner2d075f959 (adsl-8-245-188.mia.bellsouth.net[65.8.245.188]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20081001015248H06009q525e>; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 01:52:49 +0000 To: Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:52:47 -0400 Organization: Q Media Hot 100, LAZR, 1003. KOOL Message-ID: <00ca01c92368$68ee7a00$3acb6e00$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: AckjaGc1NHARM60TT6GPZ9pk7t/ZBQ== Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: 207.115.11.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "J Gualda Q Media" Subject: The Bailout and What's Next .....Interesting Read X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=3r9oHCRMRfpPom3yhXh3WjvrKJ4QF9Prt8GsAXiahY1LByE X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Bailout and What's Next Dear Friend, Yesterday marked a day that will go down in history, when Congressional Democrats and Republicans alike took on full responsibility to protect the interests of taxpaying Americans, and defeated the deceptive bail out bill, defying the dictates of the Administration, the House Majority Leadership, the House Minority Leadership and the special interests on Wall Street. Obviously Congress must consider quickly another course. There are immediate issues which demand attention and responsible action by the Congress so that the taxpayers, their assets, and their futures are protected. We MUST do something to protect millions of Americans whose homes, bank deposits, investments, and pensions are at risk in a financial system that has become seriously corrupted. We are told that we must stabilize markets in order for the people to be protected. I think we need to protect peoples' homes, bank deposits, investments, and pensions, to order to stabilize the market. We cannot delay taking action. But the action must benefit all Americans, not just a privileged few. Otherwise, more plans will fail, and the financial security of everyone will be at risk. The $700 billion bailout would have added to our existing unbearable load of national debt, trade deficits, and the cost of paying for the war. It would have been a disaster for the American public and the government for decades and maybe even centuries to come. To be sure, there are many different reasons why people voted against the bailout. The legislation did not regard in any meaningful way the plight of millions of Americans who are about to lose their homes. It did nothing to strengthen existing regulatory structures or impose new ones at the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Federal Reserve in order to protect investors. There were no direct protections for bank depositors. There was nothing to stop further speculation, which is what brought us into this mess in the first place. This was a bailout for some firms (and investors) on Wall Street, with the idea that in doing so there would be certain, unspecified, general benefits to the economy. This is a perfect time to open a broader discussion about our financial system, especially our monetary system. Such a discussion is like searching for a needle in a haystack, and then, upon finding it, discussing its qualities at great length. Let me briefly describe the haystack instead. Here is a very quick explanation of the $700 billion bailout within the context of the mechanics of our monetary and banking system: The taxpayers loan money to the banks. But the taxpayers do not have the money. So we have to borrow it from the banks to give it back to the banks. But the banks do not have the money to loan to the government. So they create it into existence (through a mechanism called fractional reserve) and then loan it to us, at interest, so we can then give it back to them. Confused? This is the system. This is the standard mechanism used to expand the money supply on a daily basis not a special one designed only for the "$700 billion" transaction. People will explain this to you in many different ways, but this is what it comes down to. The banks needed Congress' approval. Of course in this topsy turvy world, it is the banks which set the terms of the money they are borrowing from the taxpayers. And what do we get for this transaction? Long term debt enslavement of our country. We get to pay back to the banks trillions of dollars ($700 billion with compounded interest) and the banks give us their bad debt which they cull from everywhere in the world. Who could turn down a deal like this? I did. The globalization of the debt puts the United States in the position that in order to repay the money that we borrow from the banks (for the banks) we could be forced to accept International Monetary Fund dictates which involve cutting health, social security benefits and all other social spending in addition to reducing wages and exploiting our natural resources. This inevitably leads to a loss of economic, social and political freedom. Under the failed $700 billion bailout plan, Wall Street's profits are Wall Street's profits and Wall Street's losses are the taxpayers' losses. Profits are capitalized. Losses are socialized. We are at a teachable moment on matters of money and finance. In the coming days and weeks, I will share with you thoughts about what can be done to take us not just in a new direction, but in a new direction which is just. Thank you, http://dialfordennis.com/images_for_emails/Dennis_full_sig.gif Dennis _____ http://dialfordennis.com/images_for_emails/spacer.gif [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 19:05:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61802 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2008 02:05:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2008 02:05:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.146) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 02:05:20 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n19.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2008 02:05:20 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.246] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2008 02:05:20 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2008 02:05:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 661735.4508.bm@omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 12987 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2008 02:05:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.121.109.37 with plain) by smtp127.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 02:05:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FcGBfcoVM1neDVqDW7F1fqAg9ktf.DslDAaz3RY6r8gNhuNZ9gc_B6rPGj7YVUk94t5oWwmoYoP9zGSwz15TI3Wvesfes0FIOdp5zzeLuRdddDGtwKgxyiFZOoOwvAf2DsINIOiqazH4QqAAGxoSYCacv8q03x7oPbPiTtLjmQ8_fQxb X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <00ca01c92368$68ee7a00$3acb6e00$@net> References: <00ca01c92368$68ee7a00$3acb6e00$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:05:18 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.146 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Bailout and What's Next .....Interesting Read X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=oblgFRv5r_Sc6NKLXZCibVgAtM6HtlcQTSso46SDrHVJYsehFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > The Bailout and What's Next Is Kucinich awesome or what? Here is something on YouTube from him and another, Nancy Kaptur who explains exactly what is going on. Kucinich: "Is this the United States Congress or the Board of Directors of Goldman Sachs?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaF_MZVWM3E Kaptur: [ I have loved her ever since 1992 when she fought NAFTA ] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S27yitK32ds Definitely worth watching. Kevin From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 01 06:11:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82784 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2008 13:11:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2008 13:11:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 13:11:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42544 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Oct 2008 13:11:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lleWRF8VM1m_3JA95RVdaterqT3VtT8x9VPPD4v302OM55UZC6QrOGrWEnemXyjytdMmwdOE0GgRecKh.p7EBshH4DgeFUNCIk_HHPuj0D5J4.3NsO2oUsXDu.lIcKDXR0f_oWZUcR7Yk86RAbyrGfFV X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:11:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:11:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <64915.42413.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Youtube stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=h6Yu7P8lJp3h6lPJkdhi8euI5AhHEzVynOhb-IObyf1cIZPXOwDQYuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Is there a way to encode in stereo on YouTube so it's available that way? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 01 06:13:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11270 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2008 13:13:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2008 13:13:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 13:13:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 41587 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Oct 2008 13:13:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WtRvtLgVM1lR6MOheKtJasaOeHdfMxgW5azThOy2ud9e4kNz34A22Pt2BwNZu41KNxyeIlfc1Wfet3Vxii5q.HKmu3qf5gY7zFbi.nbqZAHjW3VXeE5C2qGWdC8LSN_VLcQu4blNSpoCoFELGVlDXTAW X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:13:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:13:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <552281.41096.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Hole in the ground tower. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=9XWSvqEsRoY5tSnZYDtBCjKW5ExE0nDsCvK-I_L7QrH0ZyNJpWyzVYM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I fell for that story until I realized that story was in the APRIL 1st edition of the magazine! The authors names spelled backwards was something like "fooled you" and "now way it will work". From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Oct 01 11:24:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47800 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2008 18:24:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2008 18:24:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 18:24:47 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d41.2664d726 (37056) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:24:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB042-90c048e3c05b21e; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:24:27 -0400 X-Received: from MBLK-M17 (mblk-m17.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.50]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA036-5bbf48e3c05155; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:24:17 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:24:17 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 70.245.209.126 In-Reply-To: <394599.25560.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 70.245.209.126 by MBLK-M17.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.50) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:24:16 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF20A0C55FE1B-1590-417@MBLK-M17.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=qST7x7_vShQRiu2w1zsU8PA7cu45Mf6DGCPUNg-BVR3lQ4YR7Bq1kUj3GqUvKVyZ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here, here. -----Original Message----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 6:59 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net On AM these days there is *NO* excuse for thinking you have to be in a loudness war except to run off your listeners. Powell --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > On Sep 30, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > > > There are chips in the 9000 that are unobtanium, and > there are NO > > replacements that will work. IF they fail, you have a > doorstop. > > Very true, but if you are in a "Loudness War", > that Optimod 9000 is the "Nuclear Option"! > > Possum [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Oct 01 11:32:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72448 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2008 18:32:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2008 18:32:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 18:32:15 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cec.43084005 (37122) for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:31:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA018-910248e3c21b99; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:31:55 -0400 X-Received: from MBLK-M17 (mblk-m17.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.50]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA025-5bb648e3c213d1; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:31:47 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:31:47 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 70.245.209.126 In-Reply-To: <629661.77079.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 70.245.209.126 by MBLK-M17.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.50) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:31:47 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF20B17D07091-1590-49B@MBLK-M17.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=aWOO5sPzh6pxoH8fF3s20qrJSmHRxu8twSwE8x-k111LDxcOLa--2IcfBswvwNU8 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree.? Even assuming the documentation is available, the tooling cost and minimum order would be cost prohibitive even if you happened to own every 9000 still in existence. Unlike tubes, solid state devices typically don't degrade over time.? In fact, they stabilize.? Whereas re-tubing is a standard practice, I don't know re-chipping is, or even should be. Does any remember the "mystery network" in the CBS Lab units?? I always assumed it was just a collection of what is known as selected values. Incidentally, what was the Orban model number for?its Stereo AMAX processor? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 7:04 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 There was a supply of these chips AT ONE TIME. the 9000 series is quite old solid state wise. I will expect some chips for the 9100 to be unobtanium one day. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 9/30/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > One of the consequences of large scale integration is the > equipment is not repairable without proprietary parts.? I > worked for several companies that used ASICs.? It was a > common practice to have 1,000 pcs of a discontinued ASIC put > away.? And these were not high value end products. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 01 12:59:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24564 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2008 19:59:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2008 19:59:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.228) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 19:59:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 94414 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Oct 2008 19:59:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zN9OBrAVM1nzOuGvszWSOBKDL6QZFTUvHzwjAllQFHTQcT_haSE.HHahQd98FuE4yMkepTO4gssEPobteAQmB1rFl6PXrDpjN0VlAY5WwPcyIiTBI5gceAEZEcHodjHmvxgXcl5zjZAGzhidYfyxMcfDXoV4e4sNt3zLpfiwX9cCeXR6VQ-- X-Received: from [70.183.166.180] by web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:59:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:59:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAF20B17D07091-1590-49B@MBLK-M17.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <90063.94001.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.228 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=Ix0_v9_cO-qrMRPmbF_YoLaqdpqdv70YvfLewsq_IbKExRniR2mK X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wasn't it the 9100B/U10? --- On Wed, 10/1/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 2:31 PM I agree.? Even assuming the documentation is available, the tooling cost and minimum order would be cost prohibitive even if you happened to own every 9000 still in existence. Unlike tubes, solid state devices typically don't degrade over time.? In fact, they stabilize.? Whereas re-tubing is a standard practice, I don't know re-chipping is, or even should be. Does any remember the "mystery network" in the CBS Lab units?? I always assumed it was just a collection of what is known as selected values. Incidentally, what was the Orban model number for?its Stereo AMAX processor? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 7:04 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 There was a supply of these chips AT ONE TIME. the 9000 series is quite old solid state wise. I will expect some chips for the 9100 to be unobtanium one day. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 9/30/08, mjgrant@aol. com wrote: > > One of the consequences of large scale integration is the > equipment is not repairable without proprietary parts.? I > worked for several companies that used ASICs.? It was a > common practice to have 1,000 pcs of a discontinued ASIC put > away.? And these were not high value end products. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Oct 01 17:02:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49630 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 00:02:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2008 00:02:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.29) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 00:02:04 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so129856ywt.45 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:02:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.12.4 with SMTP id p4mr12977098ybi.183.1222905723573; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.111? (68-115-229-042.static.spbg.sc.charter.com [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm952555yws.5.2008.10.01.17.02.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <319D96B8-24CE-4334-B91A-3C42641A1A40@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAF20B17D07091-1590-49B@MBLK-M17.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:36:55 -0400 References: <8CAF20B17D07091-1590-49B@MBLK-M17.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=xZQxViPOnznxOIJORNjbWGHQjhh5-6rWe-Xal1GsIeN_HLHeIMhoEO6TG-L39A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 1, 2008, at 2:31 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Incidentally, what was the Orban model number for?its Stereo AMAX > processor? There are 3: 9100/A2, 9100/B2, and 9400. Note the 9100/A2 is 12KC wide and requires a filter kit to make it legal. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Oct 01 17:02:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49543 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 00:02:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2008 00:02:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.181) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 00:02:14 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b25so203629elf.26 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:02:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.134.21 with SMTP id h21mr12980915ybd.181.1222905733901; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.111? (68-115-229-042.static.spbg.sc.charter.com [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm952555yws.5.2008.10.01.17.02.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5F6A1E7B-81F7-4A43-9B3F-981821CBA96B@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <394599.25560.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 19:41:58 -0400 References: <394599.25560.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=CJVyCyE8fwiwn9sLP63zeMbxSzVtKmf1PJWZKWTkpwQ7oNboBPcjd4VM3GQvVw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Sep 30, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > On AM these days there is *NO* excuse for thinking you have to be in > a loudness war except to run off your listeners. Being LOUD is not always so bad. Say you have a Graveyard on 1450 (WCRS) being POUNDED by a 5 KW Mexican on 1440 in the next county over (WGVL) Dense, LOUD modulation will drown out the splatter and make your effective coverage area MUCH better toward the "Pest Station". Now suppose you have a Class D 1KW on 1590 (WABV) and in the next county you have a Class D CHEATER on 1600 (WFIS) and a Overmodulating Mexican 5KW on 1580 (WDAB) If you want to get your signal out of the parking lot, you had BETTER be loud. That Optimod 9000 with the "Disco Mod" looks pretty good! Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Oct 01 17:15:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81594 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 00:15:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2008 00:15:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 00:15:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 84514 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Oct 2008 00:15:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: k92Zc8YVM1nHt81j1WO9x3q2C7UsHFj1P9oJwE5A5KyMjIVJuRkHtTQVKPht8EfuO2o0K1Cnw0Wv_H00lKycGcwRF6IH0i1KMUDH8qw0iAwjDR07aDRt4cBA6yswATitmFu_FMYyeu07MiBr86yI8mvIcIN5u19.pELSn5E.A0iWPxr0IyE- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:15:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:15:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5F6A1E7B-81F7-4A43-9B3F-981821CBA96B@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <397621.84107.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=_nUaA0o4D7-aoxjVX2d5FnGSW1_P8HZPhX4Gbw6-C82VCQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Ain't it really a careful tight-rope walk between the two extremes? Personally, I like a fair amount of processing, and even run my CDs through a processor when listening at home, and when recording MDs for the car (to keep the sound above the ambient noise), BUT if you remember Radio Moscow back in the 80s/90s, THAT is overdoing it just a bit! An AM station sounds more "impressive" and "big market" if it is fairly loud, besides the technical advantages you pointed out. Of course, the ultimate would be to just clip the hell out of everything, then round it back into some semblance of sine waves with a VERY severe LP filter... Ultimate goal is to achieve a CONSTANT peak-to-average ratio that is equivalent to a pure sine wave. Probably CAN be done, but I doubt it would be very entertaining, and would surely cause listener fatigue rather quickly! As far as Orban Optimod...it RULES! Wish I could afford one... George --- On Wed, 10/1/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 7:41 PM > On Sep 30, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > > > On AM these days there is *NO* excuse for thinking you > have to be in > > a loudness war except to run off your listeners. > > Being LOUD is not always so bad. Say you have a Graveyard > on 1450 > (WCRS) being POUNDED by a 5 KW Mexican on 1440 in the next > county over > (WGVL) Dense, LOUD modulation will drown out the splatter > and make > your effective coverage area MUCH better toward the > "Pest Station". > Now suppose you have a Class D 1KW on 1590 (WABV) and in > the next > county you have a Class D CHEATER on 1600 (WFIS) and a > Overmodulating > Mexican 5KW on 1580 (WDAB) If you want to get your signal > out of the > parking lot, you had BETTER be loud. That Optimod 9000 with > the "Disco > Mod" looks pretty good! > > Kevin From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 01 20:03:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69786 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 03:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2008 03:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.232) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 03:03:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42083 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Oct 2008 03:03:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pUbIc6QVM1nwlkExTG_HdZ1UzKdLm3rMNXfKPM81GlNQJgH41fB2fhsUiEKqTQjpSccxvoETv4ZYt5CSCBLUIGg0mIXJ.fSuHlk28NTOXk5314pwxBUqyTWM6_j3.BgSqnkjso43dY4P8snqmzXL943lAS1y8iSxBNcBzWD87s_RFlZL9A-- X-Received: from [64.223.58.95] by web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:03:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:03:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <397621.84107.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <180960.41922.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=qC1UunJl3t__9vnTagCCBXcGXcu_g9Xf1oEpi2j7XWHApeW9MNT9 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is an article in the current (9/24) edition of Radio World suggesting that stations keep their modulation to between 86-90% on both peaks & to NOT go up to +125% just because it's the legal limit. --- On Wed, 10/1/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 8:15 PM Ain't it really a careful tight-rope walk between the two extremes? Personally, I like a fair amount of processing, and even run my CDs through a processor when listening at home, and when recording MDs for the car (to keep the sound above the ambient noise), BUT if you remember Radio Moscow back in the 80s/90s, THAT is overdoing it just a bit! An AM station sounds more "impressive" and "big market" if it is fairly loud, besides the technical advantages you pointed out. Of course, the ultimate would be to just clip the hell out of everything, then round it back into some semblance of sine waves with a VERY severe LP filter... Ultimate goal is to achieve a CONSTANT peak-to-average ratio that is equivalent to a pure sine wave. Probably CAN be done, but I doubt it would be very entertaining, and would surely cause listener fatigue rather quickly! As far as Orban Optimod...it RULES! Wish I could afford one... George --- On Wed, 10/1/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 7:41 PM > On Sep 30, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > > > On AM these days there is *NO* excuse for thinking you > have to be in > > a loudness war except to run off your listeners. > > Being LOUD is not always so bad. Say you have a Graveyard > on 1450 > (WCRS) being POUNDED by a 5 KW Mexican on 1440 in the next > county over > (WGVL) Dense, LOUD modulation will drown out the splatter > and make > your effective coverage area MUCH better toward the > "Pest Station". > Now suppose you have a Class D 1KW on 1590 (WABV) and in > the next > county you have a Class D CHEATER on 1600 (WFIS) and a > Overmodulating > Mexican 5KW on 1580 (WDAB) If you want to get your signal > out of the > parking lot, you had BETTER be loud. That Optimod 9000 with > the "Disco > Mod" looks pretty good! > > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Oct 02 09:06:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43735 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 16:05:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2008 16:05:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 16:05:57 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c82.2c5b728a (37043) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:05:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB031-90b348e4f1563ba; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:05:42 -0400 X-Received: from webmail-md08 (webmail-md08.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.146]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA018-5bb148e4f14a255; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:05:30 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:05:30 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 70.245.209.126 In-Reply-To: <180960.41922.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 70.245.209.126 by webmail-md08.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.146) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:05:30 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF2BFD3D0B4B3-1328-FE9@webmail-md08.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=-hpVckgr3N5D6o8g_wWPm53T7nVZQyDmG2z4aab1AJuLc0rpRJSoLItVoc8HFnQM X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't see a problem with going to +125% modulation IF the equipment is capable as most modern transmitting equipment is.? In AM, there is no magical limit at 100%.? The positive modulation limit is determined by the design rather than a physical barrier.? Actually, there is no actual negative limit either except few designs are capable of carrier reversal. On the receiving end, envelope detectors typically do not have problem with greater than 100% positive modulation.? It's the negative modulation trough that tends to cause distortion with a simple diode detector.? Product detectors and synchronous demodulators are limited only by their design. Unless one likes to listen to test oscillator sine waves, it only makes sense to take advantage of assymetrical modulation limits of AM.? Voice and music is inherently assymetrical with higher than sine crest factor.? The sideband power of an AM signal modulated to 125% peak positive modulation is considerably more than one modulated to only 100%.? The sidebands contain the intelligence, unless it is Talk Radio, in which case there is no intelligence to be found in either the carrier or sidebands. Relying on what a old hand in broadcasting once told me, a good engineer thinks in terms of "strong" rather than "loud".?? In a local market, getting the most power in the sidebands provides that strength.? The AVC or AGC in all AM radios levels the signal to detector according to carrier?power.? So?there is not much?audio difference between?a 1 kW, 5 kW, or even a 50 kW station.? What makes the difference is sideband power, more specifically, the *average* sideband power. The practice of "riding the limiter" is a poor one.? Limiters typically clip which cause distortion which gets passed along to the transmitter.? It sounds bad, not?strong.? A judicious use of?compression can provide a strong sound without causing listener fatigue.? Processors such as the Orban units use a complex scheme to obtain?high average modulation while maintaining a good quality?listenable sound. Just my thoughts. Mike?? -----Original Message----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:03 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 There is an article in the current (9/24) edition of Radio World suggesting that stations keep their modulation to between 86-90% on both peaks & to NOT go up to +125% just because it's the legal limit. --- On Wed, 10/1/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 8:15 PM Ain't it really a careful tight-rope walk between the two extremes? Personally, I like a fair amount of processing, and even run my CDs through a processor when listening at home, and when recording MDs for the car (to keep the sound above the ambient noise), BUT if you remember Radio Moscow back in the 80s/90s, THAT is overdoing it just a bit! An AM station sounds more "impressive" and "big market" if it is fairly loud, besides the technical advantages you pointed out. Of course, the ultimate would be to just clip the hell out of everything, then round it back into some semblance of sine waves with a VERY severe LP filter... Ultimate goal is to achieve a CONSTANT peak-to-average ratio that is equivalent to a pure sine wave. Probably CAN be done, but I doubt it would be very entertaining, and would surely cause listener fatigue rather quickly! As far as Orban Optimod...it RULES! Wish I could afford one... George --- On Wed, 10/1/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 7:41 PM > On Sep 30, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > > > On AM these days there is *NO* excuse for thinking you > have to be in > > a loudness war except to run off your listeners. > > Being LOUD is not always so bad. Say you have a Graveyard > on 1450 > (WCRS) being POUNDED by a 5 KW Mexican on 1440 in the next > county over > (WGVL) Dense, LOUD modulation will drown out the splatter > and make > your effective coverage area MUCH better toward the > "Pest Station". > Now suppose you have a Class D 1KW on 1590 (WABV) and in > the next > county you have a Class D CHEATER on 1600 (WFIS) and a > Overmodulating > Mexican 5KW on 1580 (WDAB) If you want to get your signal > out of the > parking lot, you had BETTER be loud. That Optimod 9000 with > the "Disco > Mod" looks pretty good! > > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Thu Oct 02 09:10:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18753 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 16:10:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2008 16:10:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 16:10:17 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail08.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.148]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEQK6U2A26CF4S for (sender ); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:10:00 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD92mYsWCrqW/a26mTqp9quM= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail08.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NWHT8N6T; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:09:59 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.26.65] by webmail08.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:09:19 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:09:19 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081002.090919.9333.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:3:1155197462 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.148|webmail08.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Mexico Allowing Many AMs to Migrate to FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=iO7ImLza4UbFIWfXWv3tmtlv05iy_8WCSs8E7OJ8kQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Mexico Allowing Many AMs to Migrate to FM =20 by Leslie Stimson The Mexican government is giving the majority of AMs the opportunity to vol= untarily migrate to the FM band, subject to the availability of frequencies= . According to the decision by the Secretar=EDa de Comunicaciones y Transpo= rtes, the agency that sets communications policy, those stations would have= one year from the time of authorization to put their FM station on the air= and another year to give up their AM frequency and turn in that license. There are 1,580 total radio stations in Mexico; 854 are AM and 726 are FM, = according to the SCT decision, recently published in the Mexican version of= the Federal Register. Perhaps 20% of AM stations may not be able to take advantage of this progra= m because of the lack of available FM channels, particularly in Mexico City= , Guadalajara, Monterrey and Tijuana. The Mexican government aims to give those AMs that move to the FM band the = equivalent power level/coverage area. Perhaps our government can take a cue from Mexico as the FCC pores over all= those proposals to re-purpose TV Channels 5 and 6 for AM and FM radio.=20 From w6yn@juno.com Thu Oct 02 09:15:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36693 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 16:15:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2008 16:15:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 16:15:52 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail08.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.148]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEQK66QACHD6EA for (sender ); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:15:10 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDzAO/kRs2jHmPWUPsxfUfm8= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail08.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NWHUG7NL; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:14:38 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.26.65] by webmail08.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:13:19 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:13:19 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081002.091319.9333.1@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:2527338678 X-MAIL-INFO:1ad0d5b9d5b9c494c455cdc47dcde44d959109f9b0f965d4890950a451b599a5a0f994d084f4c0f9f47d55d455d0cdf49d65c964806d5519c9bd744d118d118ded45ed8954ed9554b5c96075152d042d3d405915210cb0f0b125502d454d35a9d12da9958940894d54a9313d70c1ddfd64c9648580e4858010c980e0c170149194017d1d99f46de5a584c4f06d7df49d4919c4194151592470c47d5129e085e019605159d915c0b48059e060692dd100e0f02d2171812530003050494d1139a005690c2089c14dc145312039b5b0e1cd54f9b50939398999d199090975c40950d5d0dd44f47dc47dd914b9c5 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.148|webmail08.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mexico Allowing Many AMs to Migrate to FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=vpDdcePAjgSIDiJ3w-Rjby-ggHK7dJE-5D-GdBt9Jw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn AMs in that country (like the ones here) are having a tough time economical= ly, as FMs have most of the audience and ad revenue. Word is a group of sma= ller, independent broadcasters around Mexico City broke away from the large= broadcast association and pushed for this. The group was successful in get= ting the attention of the government and got the large broadcast associatio= n to go along. As this change plays out over the next three years, it will be interesting = to see the effect on U.S. border stations. In the same document, the government gave itself until Sept. 15, 2009, to c= hoose a digital radio standard for the country. Mexico last year began allowing stations within some-200 miles of the U.S. = border to use IBOC on an experimental basis. It has been that some 12 stati= ons =97 both AM and FM =97 are doing so.=20 -- "W6YN Don Milbury" wrote: Mexico Allowing Many AMs to Migrate to FM =20 by Leslie Stimson The Mexican government is giving the majority of AMs the opportunity to vol= untarily migrate to the FM band, subject to the availability of frequencies= . According to the decision by the Secretar=EDa de Comunicaciones y Transpo= rtes, the agency that sets communications policy, those stations would have= one year from the time of authorization to put their FM station on the air= and another year to give up their AM frequency and turn in that license. There are 1,580 total radio stations in Mexico; 854 are AM and 726 are FM, = according to the SCT decision, recently published in the Mexican version of= the Federal Register. Perhaps 20% of AM stations may not be able to take advantage of this progra= m because of the lack of available FM channels, particularly in Mexico City= , Guadalajara, Monterrey and Tijuana. The Mexican government aims to give those AMs that move to the FM band the = equivalent power level/coverage area. Perhaps our government can take a cue from Mexico as the FCC pores over all= those proposals to re-purpose TV Channels 5 and 6 for AM and FM radio.=20 ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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(68-115-229-042.static.spbg.sc.charter.com [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm1897074ywf.2.2008.10.02.10.50.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <180960.41922.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:44:47 -0400 References: <180960.41922.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 72.14.252.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=syOYBA-K8UG0LCQVU3wlfBgK3iU-iCJcRWu-v-5EY-4vF-qRKyQYbdkXWxIS9A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 1, 2008, at 11:03 PM, JNR wrote: > There is an article in the current (9/24) edition of Radio World > suggesting that stations keep their modulation to between 86-90% on > both peaks & to NOT go up to +125% just because it's the legal limit. I have measured 3 local stations doing a whole lot more than +125% here! Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Oct 02 10:50:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29097 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 17:50:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2008 17:50:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qb-out-0506.google.com) (72.14.204.225) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 17:50:56 -0000 X-Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c7so798259qbc.9 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:50:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.205.1 with SMTP id c1mr11177733wag.171.1222969855810; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.111? (68-115-229-042.static.spbg.sc.charter.com [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm1897074ywf.2.2008.10.02.10.50.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <50C8BF2A-D54A-4F52-AD4A-B75052943CE6@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <397621.84107.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:43:54 -0400 References: <397621.84107.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 72.14.204.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=Zr1LgATq5G_hch-CpInChC-mOWchq0t-YaTWsrIo1ouZsdD03o0XsrCsUb-Wiw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Audio Purists close your eyes for a moment, it is time to talk LOUDNESS WARS On Oct 1, 2008, at 8:15 PM, george russell wrote: > Ultimate goal is to achieve a CONSTANT peak-to-average ratio that is > equivalent to a pure sine wave. Probably CAN be done, but I doubt > it would be very entertaining, and would surely cause listener > fatigue rather quickly! If you want to really crank that Modulation Density up there and still sound good, run your audio into a CRL AGC-400 set to just ride the Gain. then into a Spring Reverb, then into an Optimod 9000 with the Disco Mod. The Reverb helps "fill in the gaps" in the audio. Just set it about 2 notches below the point it is irritating. The Mod Monitor with "Hang" on -99% / +125% and your station will "Blow a hole in the dial", yet you don't give your listeners a Nose Bleed and you won't hurt your Cume. When listeners tune in your station, they will have to turn the Volume down on their radio. Then, if they tune to another station, it will sound weak and puny, so they turn right back to yours! It will also get your marketable signal out another 20% or so over a normally processed station. Another "Dirty Trick" is to run an Optimod 9100/A but instead of running the NRSC EQ, run the old "Middle" EQ. This will make your station sound just a hair "Brighter" than the other stations, but not stand out so much you get nailed by the FCC. If you can't afford an Optimod, drive your audio out of the Reverb into a DAP-310 then a BL-40. That is the next loudest air chain. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Oct 02 13:12:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7431 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 20:12:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2008 20:12:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 20:12:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38654 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Oct 2008 20:12:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HVz.cooVM1mOaynwH_v12AFAJOmC39Zl19Pd9cbNUL1bOKfOoKzKmJLqU4yjyD5m6A-- X-Received: from [69.221.67.213] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:12:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:12:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081002.090919.9333.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <742111.37856.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mexico Allowing Many AMs to Migrate to FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=eDEPrkU-J-6pBHHHNm19WUb4Lc6G3zdeSH3SoVCM8avjKA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool!=A0 Now they should give all the vacated wattage to the remaining stat= ions! Border Blasters RULE!=A0 (Just the opinion of an XE lover!)=A0=A0 G --- On Thu, 10/2/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: {AMSF} Mexico Allowing Many AMs to Migrate to FM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 12:09 PM Mexico Allowing Many AMs to Migrate to FM by Leslie Stimson The Mexican government is giving the majority of AMs the opportunity to vol= untarily migrate to the FM band, subject to the availability of frequencies= . According to the decision by the Secretar=EDa de Comunicaciones y Transpo= rtes, the agency that sets communications policy, those stations would have= one year from the time of authorization to put their FM station on the air= and another year to give up their AM frequency and turn in that license. There are 1,580 total radio stations in Mexico; 854 are AM and 726 are FM, = according to the SCT decision, recently published in the Mexican version of= the Federal Register. Perhaps 20% of AM stations may not be able to take advantage of this progra= m because of the lack of available FM channels, particularly in Mexico City= , Guadalajara, Monterrey and Tijuana. The Mexican government aims to give those AMs that move to the FM band the = equivalent power level/coverage area. Perhaps our government can take a cue from Mexico as the FCC pores over all= those proposals to re-purpose TV Channels 5 and 6 for AM and FM radio.=20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Oct 02 15:10:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35934 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 22:10:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2008 22:10:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s37.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.176) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 22:10:09 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W50 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s37.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:09:51 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:09:50 +0000 Importance: High MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2008 22:09:51.0543 (UTC) FILETIME=[97873C70:01C924DB] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: WCBS 880-All News urging listeners to convert to HD radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=Jxv6N9KwzyaiOvrUGn9-RsXirpBoQFezfAYbDDiAZ88EQmvPdsNgUFSREjo X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess for people living with 8-12 miles of the Empire State Building where WCBS FM has their tower this will be an option, for people outside of Manhattan and Brooklyn, the HD3 is probably not a viable option. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but since (according to Radio-locator) WCBS FM has a power of 6700 watts, their HD2 and HD3 would have a power output of 67 watts?!? Donn Rays 6, Chicago White Sox 4 - Final score. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NEW YORK (WCBS-AM) -- It was just over a year ago that we celebrated the 40th anniversary of WCBS Newsradio, a big moment for sure.This morning, sometime after 3am, there was another big moment in this radio station's history. WCBS-AM began simulcasting in HD on the FM radio band. LINK: Learn More About HD RadioLINK: HD Radio Buyer's GuideYou can now hear WCBS 880 on the FM band by tuning into WCBS FM's HD 3 channel. HD technology allows FM stations to have sub channels, which means more choices. One of those new choices in New York City is WCBS 880.In addition to getting WCBS 880 on the FM band in HD, the HD technology allows for a fuller more brilliant sound. Radio the way it ought to be heard.Available where all radios are sold, HD radio delivers more choices, better sound, and now New York's best newsradio.Big, Big news for all of us here.The technological explosion has been exponential for WCBS 880, from streaming on the Internet 5 years ago, broadcasting in HD a year ago, being available on your iPhone or other PDA this past July, and now WCBS Newsradio 880 broadcasting on CBS FM's HD3 channel.We urge you to begin converting your radios to HD Radios because your choices for free radio programming will multiply exponentially over what you can receive on your traditional radio. You want choice and you want it for free! Get an HD Radio and listen to all the choices available to you. Print Page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Oct 02 15:27:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24001 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 22:27:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2008 22:27:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 22:27:44 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c4b.3b9a05d4 (37566) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:27:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB043-92be48e54adac4; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:27:38 -0400 X-Received: from webmail-me07 (webmail-me07.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.199]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA031-5bba48e54ad23b6; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:27:30 -0400 References: <397621.84107.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <50C8BF2A-D54A-4F52-AD4A-B75052943CE6@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:27:30 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 70.245.209.126 In-Reply-To: <50C8BF2A-D54A-4F52-AD4A-B75052943CE6@gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 70.245.209.126 by webmail-me07.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.199) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:27:30 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF2F5315AB2DE-608-20D9@webmail-me07.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=xpwwyUHHwujMMQDGav3pmcFUFEDMrCVtgpHizrurXU7l5dFlK97V7uZ8J4TcSoBW X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The reverb I have seen circa 1965 was plate reverb.? It was used only on certain mic channels.? It gave the on-air personality what I call the "Voice of God" effect.? Surely, there is something better than spring reverbs today.? Most studios sound pretty "dead".? OK for Talk Radio, but not for Top 40 if that format is still around.? I know a station on a budget that used a speaker and second mic in an unused ulitity room to liven up the DJ voice.? One night when a number of caller remarked on a "nautical" background sound, it was discovered the water heater tank in the room had ruptured. There are voice processors now that do unbelievable things, not just add a little reverberation. The was a whole basket of tricks.? One was tweaking the turntables a couple of percent overspeed. I have seen a properly tuned CBS Audimax / Volumax pair make the peak flasher on the mod monitor look like a pilot light without creating listener fatigue.? However, that was with a seasoned IBEW engineer on the board with near perfect segs. One idea I was thing about is pre-processing material.? That is, when one copies the material from the source media to disk, an algorithm could go through the entire file perfectly adjusting the level.? The weakest of most compressors is they cannot anticipate the program material.? With pre-processing, that's possible. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:43 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 Audio Purists close your eyes for a moment, it is time to talk LOUDNESS WARS On Oct 1, 2008, at 8:15 PM, george russell wrote: > Ultimate goal is to achieve a CONSTANT peak-to-average ratio that is > equivalent to a pure sine wave. Probably CAN be done, but I doubt > it would be very entertaining, and would surely cause listener > fatigue rather quickly! If you want to really crank that Modulation Density up there and still sound good, run your audio into a CRL AGC-400 set to just ride the Gain. then into a Spring Reverb, then into an Optimod 9000 with the Disco Mod. The Reverb helps "fill in the gaps" in the audio. Just set it about 2 notches below the point it is irritating. The Mod Monitor with "Hang" on -99% / +125% and your station will "Blow a hole in the dial", yet you don't give your listeners a Nose Bleed and you won't hurt your Cume. When listeners tune in your station, they will have to turn the Volume down on their radio. Then, if they tune to another station, it will sound weak and puny, so they turn right back to yours! It will also get your marketable signal out another 20% or so over a normally processed station. Another "Dirty Trick" is to run an Optimod 9100/A but instead of running the NRSC EQ, run the old "Middle" EQ. This will make your station sound just a hair "Brighter" than the other stations, but not stand out so much you get nailed by the FCC. If you can't afford an Optimod, drive your audio out of the Reverb into a DAP-310 then a BL-40. That is the next loudest air chain. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Oct 02 15:36:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46622 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 22:36:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2008 22:36:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 22:36:52 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d46.2fa18d52 (37534) for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:36:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB017-929e48e54ce3265; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:36:19 -0400 X-Received: from webmail-me07 (webmail-me07.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.199]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA032-5bbb48e54cdf2ae; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:36:15 -0400 References: <180960.41922.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:36:15 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 70.245.209.126 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 70.245.209.126 by webmail-me07.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.199) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:36:15 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF2F669EC680C-608-2154@webmail-me07.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Gt5N_NJoTmSk6HuBh0oDs_Bk4pGJNtHHGz1ClsDuC_BUGFQVW10rJjBFo2pt88bE X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It depends on the transmitter.? As long as the peaks are indeed peaks and not flat-topping, there should be no problem.? I was around before the +125% limit.? Why that limit was imposed was two-fold.? One was to give transmitter manufacturers a specification to work to.? The other was most station operators did not understand the principle of supermodulation and/or didn't have equipment that could do it.? However, that didn't keep them from trying. Properly done, supermodulation does not, in itself, produce distortion nor additional modulation artifacts. I know most, if not all, modern transmitters are design to provide at least 125% upward modulation.? Almost all design engineers overdesign.? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:44 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 On Oct 1, 2008, at 11:03 PM, JNR wrote: > There is an article in the current (9/24) edition of Radio World > suggesting that stations keep their modulation to between 86-90% on > both peaks & to NOT go up to +125% just because it's the legal limit. I have measured 3 local stations doing a whole lot more than +125% here! Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Oct 02 18:33:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54952 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2008 01:33:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2008 01:33:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.227) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 01:33:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18627 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2008 01:33:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8QI3zgMVM1lJjKEx801cmvM5QSu4..DbdWbZfgqWA7b_wd3oJTLHKRStuJaACqk3bcMYPSIoF6mj7cgVe1GFewZQUITBBQ8CrKs_OiL5Gy42CbuEbhpt3p0FaUB6CacQZBJszG2VackY9hyUxrmOn0E42PIg X-Received: from [70.20.4.254] by web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:33:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:33:40 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <217779.18595.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Emission designator question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=fryN8LXWfrCqrxU6FYOzGQdEL1l-F13LnGHQRWkIiC25Jid_hYEF X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is A.M. stereo classified as A8E?=A0 It seems that it should be as: A=3D Amplitude Modulation 8=3D More than 1 channel of analog information E=3D Telephony 73 & thanks, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Oct 02 22:36:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19651 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2008 05:36:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2008 05:36:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.122) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 05:36:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2008 05:36:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2008 05:36:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:36:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50C8BF2A-D54A-4F52-AD4A-B75052943CE6@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.122 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.40 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Fs50uAF2-Oi5N3pBRmgeKGhcUisuE2aSOgzrJNS0-SPF56-UaQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > > Audio Purists close your eyes for a moment, it is time to talk=20=20 > LOUDNESS WARS >=20 > On Oct 1, 2008, at 8:15 PM, george russell wrote: >=20 > > Ultimate goal is to achieve a CONSTANT peak-to-average ratio=20 that is=20=20 > > equivalent to a pure sine wave. Probably CAN be done, but I=20 doubt=20=20 > > it would be very entertaining, and would surely cause listener=20=20 > > fatigue rather quickly! >=20 > If you want to really crank that Modulation Density up there and=20 still=20=20 > sound good, run your audio into a CRL AGC-400 set to just ride=20 the=20=20 > Gain. then into a Spring Reverb, then into an Optimod 9000 with=20 the=20=20 > Disco Mod. The Reverb helps "fill in the gaps" in the audio. Just=20 set=20=20 > it about 2 notches below the point it is irritating. The Mod=20 Monitor=20=20 > with "Hang" on -99% / +125% and your station will "Blow a hole in=20 the=20=20 > dial", yet you don't give your listeners a Nose Bleed and you=20 won't=20=20 > hurt your Cume. When listeners tune in your station, they will=20 have to=20=20 > turn the Volume down on their radio. Then, if they tune to=20 another=20=20 > station, it will sound weak and puny, so they turn right back to=20=20 > yours! It will also get your marketable signal out another 20% or=20 so=20=20 > over a normally processed station. >=20 > Another "Dirty Trick" is to run an Optimod 9100/A but instead of=20=20 > running the NRSC EQ, run the old "Middle" EQ. This will make your=20=20 > station sound just a hair "Brighter" than the other stations, but=20 not=20=20 > stand out so much you get nailed by the FCC. >=20 > If you can't afford an Optimod, drive your audio out of the=20 Reverb=20=20 > into a DAP-310 then a BL-40. That is the next loudest air chain. >=20 > Kevin > Even I know it's the only way to reach up to the geo boundaries, I=20 don't like this kind of process. When we have been listening it for=20 more than 15 minutes... our ears ask for help!!! I still use a BL-40 at a very "heavy" level. I don't like the sound=20 but I can reach up to 40-50 kms (25-30 miles) "out of the board",=20 with my humble 1 KW transmitter. I have used the positive +125% - negative 100% mode but I don't have=20 feel a noticeable great difference near the TX. The difference can=20 be heard more noticeable far away of the TX site, at the expenses of=20 the electric bill, of course (my transmitter uses vacuum tubes). Does somebody know the exact coverage area of a 1 KW IBOC=20 transmitter? Without adverse effects, of course. There is some guys in the Chilean Broadcasters Association with a=20 great "appetite" in the IBOC system. However, the only one test I=20 knew here was in almost "laboratory" environment (less than 10 kms,=20 6 miles, in a fixed place, no movement parts). Unfortunately, the IBOC tentacles are reaching this part of the=20 world, too. The good news are... the chilean broadcasters don't have enough=20 money to invest on it, now. LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG RADIO!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Oct 03 05:07:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41944 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2008 12:07:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2008 12:07:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 12:07:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 39124 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2008 12:07:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5olamBgVM1m73F9yd.vUW83XFrKOha5RdTsq4HC7T.umNXFhaNhVYYUZblYslJc46998oLhzYrfcnUf0BRjbPoouMUpq_.I.b3x9UMFs_3Z4dGhlmL3wf.tfhxYmpxMo_PppZppeXsEKbiVbnXonEJxxPiR8TfXanx_D58jD0DO1oZe72mc- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:07:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 05:07:38 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAF2F5315AB2DE-608-20D9@webmail-me07.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <414782.37635.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=qSrgCMzZwFpBcE2DVUTwEp4oE3Qd_Vwkhz1SdSxb1fZESg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Mike, CKLW actually DID pre-process stuff when they were putting 45s onto carts...and yes, it was a great idea! But as for anticipating the program material, don't the new digital rigs have "look ahead" processing? My el-cheapo unit has that on the peak limiter, seems it is a small step to having several seconds to work with. As you point out, though, a good BOARD-OP is the key...and a LIVE one at that! George --- On Thu, 10/2/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 6:27 PM > The reverb I have seen circa 1965 was plate reverb.? It was > used only on certain mic channels.? It gave the on-air > personality what I call the "Voice of God" > effect.? Surely, there is something better than spring > reverbs today.? Most studios sound pretty "dead".? > OK for Talk Radio, but not for Top 40 if that format is > still around.? I know a station on a budget that used a > speaker and second mic in an unused ulitity room to liven up > the DJ voice.? One night when a number of caller remarked on > a "nautical" background sound, it was discovered > the water heater tank in the room had ruptured. > > There are voice processors now that do unbelievable things, > not just add a little reverberation. > > > > The was a whole basket of tricks.? One was tweaking the > turntables a couple of percent overspeed. > > I have seen a properly tuned CBS Audimax / Volumax pair > make the peak flasher on the mod monitor look like a pilot > light without creating listener fatigue.? However, that was > with a seasoned IBEW engineer on the board with near perfect > segs. > > One idea I was thing about is pre-processing material.? > That is, when one copies the material from the source media > to disk, an algorithm could go through the entire file > perfectly adjusting the level.? The weakest of most > compressors is they cannot anticipate the program material.? > With pre-processing, that's possible. > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Possum Hunter > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:43 pm > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 > > > > > > > > Audio Purists close your eyes for a moment, it is time to > talk > LOUDNESS WARS > > On Oct 1, 2008, at 8:15 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Ultimate goal is to achieve a CONSTANT peak-to-average > ratio that is > > equivalent to a pure sine wave. Probably CAN be done, > but I doubt > > it would be very entertaining, and would surely cause > listener > > fatigue rather quickly! > > If you want to really crank that Modulation Density up > there and still > sound good, run your audio into a CRL AGC-400 set to just > ride the > Gain. then into a Spring Reverb, then into an Optimod 9000 > with the > Disco Mod. The Reverb helps "fill in the gaps" in > the audio. Just set > it about 2 notches below the point it is irritating. The > Mod Monitor > with "Hang" on -99% / +125% and your station will > "Blow a hole in the > dial", yet you don't give your listeners a Nose > Bleed and you won't > hurt your Cume. When listeners tune in your station, they > will have to > turn the Volume down on their radio. Then, if they tune to > another > station, it will sound weak and puny, so they turn right > back to > yours! It will also get your marketable signal out another > 20% or so > over a normally processed station. > > Another "Dirty Trick" is to run an Optimod 9100/A > but instead of > running the NRSC EQ, run the old "Middle" EQ. > This will make your > station sound just a hair "Brighter" than the > other stations, but not > stand out so much you get nailed by the FCC. > > If you can't afford an Optimod, drive your audio out of > the Reverb > into a DAP-310 then a BL-40. That is the next loudest air > chain. > > Kevin > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Oct 03 10:38:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77023 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2008 17:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2008 17:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 17:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bc1.3e6d3fed (37166) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:37:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.141]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA045-912e48e6586a173; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:37:46 -0400 X-Received: from FWM-M34 (fwm-m34.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.236]) by smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA023-5c4d48e65864238; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:37:40 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:37:40 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 66.76.118.53 In-Reply-To: <414782.37635.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 66.76.118.53 by FWM-M34.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.236) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:37:40 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF395DE5C328A-14D4-B36@FWM-M34.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=69zm8vdSajmer4LsGLVjettH7ygIK6PWygfHR3i-SH4usFRGhKMXuP05D5qfBHbn X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The pre-processing idea isn't new.? At Storz, 45s were transcribed onto carts by a member of the Musician's union (no kidding!).? An Audimax was used between the console and cart machines to get a consistent recording level from cart to cart.? There was Gates Sta-Level in the rack, but only as backup.? As anyone who has used a Sta-Level or Level Devil know, these units "breathed" like my ashmatic grandmother.? The Audimax kept the lower level passages?on vinyl out?of the tape mud on recording. "Look-ahead" is indeed what I was talking about.? The old compressors could only react, for which there was a finite attach time.? I read about one station that used a 5-mile telco delay line to compensate for the response time of the compression limiter. As you point out, audio processing can't make up for sloppy board work.? At stations like CKLW, WLS, etc., the boards were run so tight they sweaked.? That takes a personality/engineer team.? Few of us can multitask to equal that combo.? Modern boards have such low noise floors and high overheads, as long as someone can keep the VU indicator off the pegs (if they have pegs anymore), a good AGC amp can generally handle the rest. I still think using dbx to "encode" the audio feed would be a good idea.? Mike -----Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 7:07 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 Mike, CKLW actually DID pre-process stuff when they were putting 45s onto carts...and yes, it was a great idea! But as for anticipating the program material, don't the new digital rigs have "look ahead" processing? My el-cheapo unit has that on the peak limiter, seems it is a small step to having several seconds to work with. As you point out, though, a good BOARD-OP is the key...and a LIVE one at that! George --- On Thu, 10/2/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 6:27 PM > The reverb I have seen circa 1965 was plate reverb.? It was > used only on certain mic channels.? It gave the on-air > personality what I call the "Voice of God" > effect.? Surely, there is something better than spring > reverbs today.? Most studios sound pretty "dead".? > OK for Talk Radio, but not for Top 40 if that format is > still around.? I know a station on a budget that used a > speaker and second mic in an unused ulitity room to liven up > the DJ voice.? One night when a number of caller remarked on > a "nautical" background sound, it was discovered > the water heater tank in the room had ruptured. > > There are voice processors now that do unbelievable things, > not just add a little reverberation. > > > > The was a whole basket of tricks.? One was tweaking the > turntables a couple of percent overspeed. > > I have seen a properly tuned CBS Audimax / Volumax pair > make the peak flasher on the mod monitor look like a pilot > light without creating listener fatigue.? However, that was > with a seasoned IBEW engineer on the board with near perfect > segs. > > One idea I was thing about is pre-processing material.? > That is, when one copies the material from the source media > to disk, an algorithm could go through the entire file > perfectly adjusting the level.? The weakest of most > compressors is they cannot anticipate the program material.? > With pre-processing, that's possible. > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Possum Hunter > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:43 pm > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 > > > > > > > > Audio Purists close your eyes for a moment, it is time to > talk > LOUDNESS WARS > > On Oct 1, 2008, at 8:15 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Ultimate goal is to achieve a CONSTANT peak-to-average > ratio that is > > equivalent to a pure sine wave. Probably CAN be done, > but I doubt > > it would be very entertaining, and would surely cause > listener > > fatigue rather quickly! > > If you want to really crank that Modulation Density up > there and still > sound good, run your audio into a CRL AGC-400 set to just > ride the > Gain. then into a Spring Reverb, then into an Optimod 9000 > with the > Disco Mod. The Reverb helps "fill in the gaps" in > the audio. Just set > it about 2 notches below the point it is irritating. The > Mod Monitor > with "Hang" on -99% / +125% and your station will > "Blow a hole in the > dial", yet you don't give your listeners a Nose > Bleed and you won't > hurt your Cume. When listeners tune in your station, they > will have to > turn the Volume down on their radio. Then, if they tune to > another > station, it will sound weak and puny, so they turn right > back to > yours! It will also get your marketable signal out another > 20% or so > over a normally processed station. > > Another "Dirty Trick" is to run an Optimod 9100/A > but instead of > running the NRSC EQ, run the old "Middle" EQ. > This will make your > station sound just a hair "Brighter" than the > other stations, but not > stand out so much you get nailed by the FCC. > > If you can't afford an Optimod, drive your audio out of > the Reverb > into a DAP-310 then a BL-40. That is the next loudest air > chain. > > Kevin > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Oct 03 10:47:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70549 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2008 17:47:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2008 17:47:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 17:47:52 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cc9.3d69ab32 (37564) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:47:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB041-92bc48e65ac0115; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:47:45 -0400 X-Received: from FWM-M34 (fwm-m34.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.236]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA017-5c4948e65aafec; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:47:27 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:47:28 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 66.76.118.53 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 66.76.118.53 by FWM-M34.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.236) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:47:28 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF3973C7113EB-14D4-BD1@FWM-M34.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=IezhuP1-St30sq6FBp7y5TiidLmtaZcfo7CYLReb7mgCFKRSZM2yZtpp1E_2Y1Zo X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With the exception of the RCA Amphiphase and a Gates unit, most tube transmitters can't do 125% positive modulation very well.? That was one of the reasons for the rulemaking which was done in the days when tubes ruled. The problem was the modulator typically didn't have the reserve necessary in a high level plate modulated transmitter.? Gates made a 5 kW model with a 10 kW modulator.? That's what KXOK in St. Louis used in the 60s.? ?In theory, the RCA Ampliphase was capable of 150% upward modulation.? That was when both signal chains came into?perfect phase.? The problem was the pre-distorter didn't have that range. It's the sideband power that gets range.? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Oct 03 11:01:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14167 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2008 18:01:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2008 18:01:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f21.google.com) (209.85.217.21) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 18:01:18 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f21.google.com with SMTP id 14so2848051gxk.21 for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:01:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.52.1 with SMTP id z1mr1604586agz.112.1223056878316; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.107? (66-191-213-175.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 38sm3643529agd.18.2008.10.03.11.01.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAF2BFD3D0B4B3-1328-FE9@webmail-md08.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:37:01 -0400 References: <8CAF2BFD3D0B4B3-1328-FE9@webmail-md08.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=vE2sdViXkZlRG1_vTqQvfK1g5vwZ4vn33J3Ryrn7u19F4epHW72pYBg5r6Q7-A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 2, 2008, at 12:05 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I don't see a problem with going to +125% modulation IF the > equipment is capable as most modern transmitting equipment is.? Yup. Now the old Plate Modulated transmitters don't like it much, but a DX-50 ROCKS! > In AM, there is no magical limit at 100%.? The positive modulation > limit is determined by the design rather than a physical barrier.? Right, it is limited mostly by how much guts the transmitter power supply has. > On the receiving end, envelope detectors typically do not have > problem with greater than 100% positive modulation.? It's the > negative modulation trough that tends to cause distortion with a > simple diode detector.? Product detectors and synchronous > demodulators are limited only by their design. No matter what detector you use, modulation past 100% Negative causes LOTS of distortion. Diode detectors can distort with modulation past 100% Positive > Unless one likes to listen to test oscillator sine waves, it only > makes sense to take advantage of assymetrical modulation limits of > AM.? Right. > The sideband power of an AM signal modulated to 125% peak positive > modulation is considerably more than one modulated to only 100%.? > The sidebands contain the intelligence, unless it is Talk Radio, in > which case there is no intelligence to be found in either the > carrier or sidebands. Correct on both points! > Relying on what a old hand in broadcasting once told me, a good > engineer thinks in terms of "strong" rather than "loud".?? In a > local market, getting the most power in the sidebands provides that > strength.? "Loud"& "Strong" are the same thing. A good engineer thinks "Modulation Density", and that is LOUD and STRONG! > The AVC or AGC in all AM radios levels the signal to detector > according to carrier?power.? So?there is not much?audio difference > between?a 1 kW, 5 kW, or even a 50 kW station.? Correct. > What makes the difference is sideband power, more specifically, the > *average* sideband power. Correct. > The practice of "riding the limiter" is a poor one.? Limiters > typically clip which cause distortion which gets passed along to the > transmitter.? It sounds bad, not?strong.? A judicious use of? > compression can provide a strong sound without causing listener > fatigue.? Processors such as the Orban units use a complex scheme to > obtain?high average modulation while maintaining a good quality? > listenable sound. Right, You just want the limiter to cut off the peaks that sneak by the Multiband Compression. You are correct on the orban and other processors. The other model Optimods can get your loudness to the "Sheeze" Level, but the long out of production Optimod 9000 can get your loudness to the "HOLY SH*T!" level. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Oct 03 11:01:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92200 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2008 18:01:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2008 18:01:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.178) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 18:01:20 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id s27so408565ele.24 for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:01:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.83.18 with SMTP id g18mr1645550agb.39.1223056879705; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.107? (66-191-213-175.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 38sm3643529agd.18.2008.10.03.11.01.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAF2F669EC680C-608-2154@webmail-me07.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:18:23 -0400 References: <180960.41922.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8CAF2F669EC680C-608-2154@webmail-me07.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=lxqGM221uPJzOProtFTrKGjcBD4Z0z9-tih_lYkDG7rJ1358J0WpqMHXJOVRBA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 2, 2008, at 6:36 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > The other was most station operators did not understand the > principle of supermodulation and/or didn't have equipment that could > do it.? However, that didn't keep them from trying. The first station to use it effectively in my market was 5KW WQOK. Their engineer, Leroy Hamilton highly modified a Gates BC-5H. The air chain was a Gates Level Devil into a Fairchild Reverb into a modified Optimod 9000. It was producing 200% Positive modulation. That station WON a Loudness war with 50,000 WHYZ that was running a Optimod 9000 into a VP-50 > Properly done, supermodulation does not, in itself, produce > distortion nor additional modulation artifacts. Right. The distortion comes from Poor audio circuits and / or a wimpy power supply in the transmitter. > I know most, if not all, modern transmitters are design to provide > at least 125% upward modulation.? True > Almost all design engineers overdesign.? I wish! Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Oct 03 11:01:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96559 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2008 18:01:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2008 18:01:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.153) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 18:01:25 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so315101ywr.0 for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:01:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.49.3 with SMTP id w3mr1649394agw.33.1223056884525; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.107? (66-191-213-175.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 38sm3643529agd.18.2008.10.03.11.01.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAF2F5315AB2DE-608-20D9@webmail-me07.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:40:59 -0400 References: <397621.84107.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <50C8BF2A-D54A-4F52-AD4A-B75052943CE6@gmail.com> <8CAF2F5315AB2DE-608-20D9@webmail-me07.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=SrQ5r-JEcEv3HOHnEEeBVsFj2nQ-9NG9KTK05_m3PUOy1tT1vCFNN41p2bS2uw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 2, 2008, at 6:27 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > The reverb I have seen circa 1965 was plate reverb.? Plate reverbs sound KEWL, but springs are better for Modulation density. > It was used only on certain mic channels.? It gave the on-air > personality what I call the "Voice of God" effect.? Top-40 stations used to have a "Super Echo" switch the DJs could kick in now and then. That was normally a Plate reverb. > There are voice processors now that do unbelievable things, not just > add a little reverberation. But again, they are for sound effect, not Modulation density. > I have seen a properly tuned CBS Audimax / Volumax pair make the > peak flasher on the mod monitor look like a pilot light without > creating listener fatigue.? That HAD to suck up the noise and Pump the bass. > One idea I was thing about is pre-processing material.? Actually that does not work well. If you play a non processed CD from the 1980s through a hot airchain, it would come out LOUDER then a modern Compressed and processed CD. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Oct 03 12:19:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99579 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2008 19:19:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2008 19:19:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f21.google.com) (209.85.217.21) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 19:19:29 -0000 X-Received: by gxk14 with SMTP id 14so3759657gxk.9 for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:19:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.106.1 with SMTP id e1mr1704414agc.100.1223061565804; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.107? (66-191-213-175.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 36sm3767907agc.9.2008.10.03.12.19.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAF3973C7113EB-14D4-BD1@FWM-M34.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:19:22 -0400 References: <8CAF3973C7113EB-14D4-BD1@FWM-M34.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=E62uZHWrcsjJJso87wt0_L4A-ZzwWvofQJzDEAM-UwjRS4JnAXj4nwMsyU-SYg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 3, 2008, at 1:47 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > With the exception of the RCA Amphiphase and a Gates unit, most tube > transmitters can't do 125% positive modulation very well.? Continental 317C will do it. > Gates made a 5 kW model with a 10 kW modulator.? The BC-5H Possum From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Oct 03 15:10:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39509 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2008 22:10:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2008 22:10:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 22:10:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 93104 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2008 22:10:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .XW.SNkVM1klkq1TGDF6AY0Z2rxMcE7eiczxWf.dK_EL53H_di5t75q4Mb9IokxHK_k2Oezdlxbe3mwpxROxg5Q3Jp5qphYWG36cr8JsUPqOj5eApwG6hcZT7vOd1Xn6E5TApamlgrQRK24JoGL8VUARN990zFmsthCf2RJopZL4a4eoeNs- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:10:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:10:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAF3973C7113EB-14D4-BD1@FWM-M34.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <569926.92954.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=PDZUmDBELcJXQhG-glhk_ts26VTbawgFrVamVx-VdvsXbw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Wouldn't super-mod be kind of a moot point today, though? Most newer perocessors include a phase rotator ("phase scrambler") to bring the audio into much closer symmetry, much as was once done with the Kahn "brick". My old Inovonics actually reversed the phase automatically to keep the big peaks on top...that must have had super-mod in mind, eh? George --- On Fri, 10/3/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 1:47 PM > With the exception of the RCA Amphiphase and a Gates unit, > most tube transmitters can't do 125% positive modulation > very well.? That was one of the reasons for the rulemaking > which was done in the days when tubes ruled. > > The problem was the modulator typically didn't have the > reserve necessary in a high level plate modulated > transmitter.? Gates made a 5 kW model with a 10 kW > modulator.? That's what KXOK in St. Louis used in the > 60s.? ?In theory, the RCA Ampliphase was capable of 150% > upward modulation.? That was when both signal chains came > into?perfect phase.? The problem was the pre-distorter > didn't have that range. > > It's the sideband power that gets range.? > > Mike > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Oct 03 15:13:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57836 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2008 22:13:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2008 22:13:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 22:13:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5144 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2008 22:13:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wAggxFIVM1msLJRZizJc2kZDOTplimy4Xk7axj66Iy75j9dnHdGOgkxyrq3N5.3DtAa0056bk1lcwz_OjOdN3s2uv2a4zf6R42Gygqu1HYkvgiPDSC1c1315owJ7l20CGerRrzq94y1Bs71Hwt.UWBv5M7wNDsCUWMaJI8hUU4ql1ach9KM- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:13:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:13:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <801678.4516.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=uLlBJ4DGFahbDoFtqd6WMopCK4iNZZOektw7T19aWZTxIA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yup, the 317c wasn't limited by iron, since it used screen-mod Doherty amps. (Still gets my vote for coolest classic transmitter, would love to build a little solid-state version for kix!) G --- On Fri, 10/3/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 3:19 PM > On Oct 3, 2008, at 1:47 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > With the exception of the RCA Amphiphase and a Gates > unit, most tube > > transmitters can't do 125% positive modulation > very well.? > > Continental 317C will do it. > > > Gates made a 5 kW model with a 10 kW modulator.? > > The BC-5H > > Possum From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Oct 03 17:22:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60939 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2008 00:22:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2008 00:22:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 00:22:47 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.29] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081003192236102436600013.0) with SMTP id <20081003192236102436600013> for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:22:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <012501c925b8$3203f4a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <742111.37856.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:22:36 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: music on XERF- was Re: {AMSF} Mexico Allowing Many AMs to Migrate to FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=BM8FYpu1PGxmpebwpb4p4tDAQ5MwRxKhHFc_5mUO69mxhkKQRzZl X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For once we agree on something. Speaking of one notable border blaster, I = was able to pick up XERF for the first time in years a few weeks ago. The = music was semi-operatic, for lack of a better description. Anyone know wha= t los Mexicanos call that kind of music? Usually I hear banda or norte=F1a= . Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Cool! Now they should give all the vacated wattage to the remaining stati= ons! Border Blasters RULE! (Just the opinion of an XE lover!)=20=20 =20=20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Oct 03 17:22:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53342 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2008 00:22:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2008 00:22:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 00:22:54 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.29] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081003192241102436600013.0) with SMTP id <20081003192241102436600013> for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:22:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <012601c925b8$34bbc1a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:22:41 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WCBS 880-All News urging listeners to convert to HD radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=bAJtWeBLsOnPEKhL0xtllLoYNMW-w0Cyb6sk6fK0SxHkvQbzVZzZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What choices with all this duplication? Of course, I can see why a lot of AMs would want to be carried on an FM's HD subchannel. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Donn Tillman You want choice and you want it for free! Get an HD Radio and listen to all the choices available to you. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Oct 04 09:08:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34988 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2008 16:08:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2008 16:08:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 16:08:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6731 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Oct 2008 16:08:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UdmWexsVM1k1rsWMxOV9v3N2Z_c6Tjy8zz.uX_EBJCcb2PQrwidHwJ3Rht9j1CykDAWpFArUOvPNyzUiDw1gLyZeFIvkbJrHRCLEM0iLA7GbYMo4qE1Uhyx4QkhUJnwAVkBqXrc0pHYWLq9NKM0x849F X-Received: from [72.241.176.83] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 09:08:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:08:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <875552.5874.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: WCBS 880-All News urging listeners to convert to HD radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=erhZjKuLTUHwL94V4FpWagOpr62Z1bHJXZFcF20Be9UWdgcOXRR8_Ck X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I'm miffed that we've got half a dozen local HD stations with NO HD2 (or HD3) signals on them, when they could easily carry their AM sister stations. That is nuts why they don't do that. What a waste - HD-FM with no HD2/HD3 and they don't bother to put the song titles on their radios, so the iTunes Tagging wouldn't work either. From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Oct 04 13:42:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97602 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2008 20:42:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2008 20:42:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f18.google.com) (209.85.217.18) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 20:42:53 -0000 X-Received: by gxk11 with SMTP id 11so3673140gxk.15 for ; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:42:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.46.3 with SMTP id y3mr4456812ybj.225.1223152972777; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.111? (68-115-229-042.static.spbg.sc.charter.com [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm4900528yws.5.2008.10.04.13.42.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <569926.92954.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 13:20:41 -0400 References: <569926.92954.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=wpQyVrfCEs9vCuOVWpaYWPl8nb-bNOYKtBlSpdhpt4xys_098oQON_N06okJiQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 3, 2008, at 6:10 PM, george russell wrote: > Wouldn't super-mod be kind of a moot point today, though? Most > newer perocessors include a phase rotator ("phase scrambler") to > bring the audio into much closer symmetry, much as was once done > with the Kahn "brick". The Positive peaks are cranked up Post-Processing to give more punch to the audio. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Oct 04 13:42:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23085 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2008 20:42:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2008 20:42:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.31) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 20:42:55 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so353848ywj.41 for ; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:42:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.85.9 with SMTP id n9mr4521581ybl.35.1223152974708; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.111? (68-115-229-042.static.spbg.sc.charter.com [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm4900528yws.5.2008.10.04.13.42.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:42:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <42A43403-7781-42AA-9E52-84B560850300@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <801678.4516.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 13:22:20 -0400 References: <801678.4516.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.31 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=di7m0b_RIMROah3j6rHU3oS2zHYy57PkNn9AcGjoKwDR_LKsXTH-DQgQqAglmw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 3, 2008, at 6:13 PM, george russell wrote: > Yup, the 317c wasn't limited by iron, since it used screen-mod > Doherty amps. (Still gets my vote for coolest classic transmitter, > would love to build a little solid-state version for kix!) I have seen plans for a Doherty modulated Ham Radio transmitter. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Oct 04 13:43:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94043 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2008 20:43:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2008 20:43:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.30) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 20:43:03 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so344603ywh.63 for ; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:43:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.140.6 with SMTP id n6mr4481132ybd.161.1223152982574; Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.111? (68-115-229-042.static.spbg.sc.charter.com [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm4900528yws.5.2008.10.04.13.43.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 13:33:00 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=BZVzC55-R7H8amVwlIVnzusLv1PfAtVgpVwPKS2jsrRffLfy7burbKCLzUrROQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 3, 2008, at 1:36 AM, jotape1960 wrote: > Does somebody know the exact coverage area of a 1 KW IBOC > transmitter? Without adverse effects, of course. WPCI 1490 drops from HD back to analog about 5 Miles from the Transmitter. Kevin From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Oct 04 20:13:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1522 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2008 03:13:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2008 03:13:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 03:13:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2008 03:13:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2008 03:13:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 03:13:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.15 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=3aSl-CceSfBJ30j8twYYNX1mBXjrLJcCZySbfwd3GdYUfYB_VA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > >=20 > WPCI 1490 drops from HD back to analog about 5 Miles from the=20=20 > Transmitter. >=20 > Kevin > Are you kidding me? Any analog 1 KW AM TX can reach twice this distance (15-20 kms / 10=20 miles) without problems, so... What are the IBOC advantages? If I had to invest in a new equipment, What will be the IBOC arguments? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From keith1226@yahoo.com Sat Oct 04 21:44:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27563 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2008 04:44:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2008 04:44:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 04:44:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2008 04:44:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2008 04:44:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 04:44:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.197.193.155 From: "Keith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=60kWJLCVWGKOnZBOFirY2cb4woiunn_OIDsKiDJ41YLJtaHo X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Juan,=20 From the mediumwave DXer's point of view, there is NO advantage to=20 IBOC; in fact it's detrimental to DX reception. It has been claimed=20 that the sideband noise from MW stations running IBOC causes=20 interference to stations transmitting thousands of miles away. But=20 the actual audio from the digital signal travels only a few miles. The FM broadcast band is an entirely different story. If you live in=20 or near a city where the FM IBOC stations run interesting programs on=20 their secondary "channels," you get more stations, free of commercial=20 advertisements (for now). But I am lucky to live on a hill about 20=20 km from the center of a large city, and within 20-25 km of the=20 transmitters, so I can hear all the local IBOC and non-IBOC channels=20 clearly from my house, without any special antennas. People who live=20 far from a city are not so lucky.=20=20 73, Keith Beesley Seattle, Washington, USA > Are you kidding me? >=20 > Any analog 1 KW AM TX can reach twice this distance (15-20 kms / 10=20 > miles) without problems, so... What are the IBOC advantages? >=20 > If I had to invest in a new equipment, What will be the IBOC=20 arguments? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Oct 05 11:03:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82650 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2008 18:03:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2008 18:03:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2008 18:03:05 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.36] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081005130207102294700010.0) with SMTP id <20081005130207102294700010> for ; Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:02:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001201c92715$628a5840$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <875552.5874.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:02:07 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WCBS 880-All News urging listeners to convert to HD radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ueouJYPrAz-kAN2Z6EzWMcOg9hxAtJlhwKYgWtSPpe6LWGvSmQYr X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If the music mafia at Sound Exchange get their way there may not even BE an iTunes soon. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: WCBS 880-All News urging listeners to convert to HD radio I'm miffed that we've got half a dozen local HD stations with NO HD2 (or HD3) signals on them, when they could easily carry their AM sister stations. That is nuts why they don't do that. What a waste - HD-FM with no HD2/HD3 and they don't bother to put the song titles on their radios, so the iTunes Tagging wouldn't work either. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Oct 06 07:01:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20478 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2008 14:01:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2008 14:01:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.172) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 14:01:15 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so3425772wfc.12 for ; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 07:01:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.193.1 with SMTP id v1mr2853290rvp.245.1223301675337; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 07:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.111? (68-115-229-042.static.spbg.sc.charter.com [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm6871558ywc.9.2008.10.06.07.01.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 07:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <0293EA03-CA86-43FC-9F08-2F8CC7FC0FF1@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 20:12:51 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.200.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=tkGeQMm-8Xj98DlgJCkeCmMSz17Dkfk5TNqxPkMC1Dftczf1AaG3EH4rId_zVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 4, 2008, at 11:13 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > Any analog 1 KW AM TX can reach twice this distance (15-20 kms / 10 > miles) without problems, so... Yup, WPCI used to keep the Stereo Light on a good 35 Miles when they were in C-QUAM. > What are the IBOC advantages? No noise when received in HD > If I had to invest in a new equipment, What will be the IBOC > arguments? HD claims to give "FM Quality" audio, but it is far worse than that. It sounds like a low bit rate Real Audio file. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Oct 06 16:57:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58007 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2008 23:57:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2008 23:57:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f10.google.com) (209.85.217.10) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 23:57:01 -0000 X-Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so6066106gxk.18 for ; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:57:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.112.4 with SMTP id p4mr6229279ybm.215.1223337420955; Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.111? (68-115-229-042.static.spbg.sc.charter.com [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm7304168ywl.4.2008.10.06.16.56.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:56:52 -0400 Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.10 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Harris AM-80 Modulation Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=r0Gl8179AkMy85U5W-WrNTNOfOOuJlXzy1ll3N_VmuuilsO4lKDjFdmgRtCc2g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone out there have a copy of the Harris AM modulation monitor available for copy or download? I have a AM-80 and it is need of repair! Thanks, Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Mon Oct 06 22:01:13 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9669 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 05:01:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2008 05:01:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.213) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 05:01:10 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2008 05:01:10 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2008 05:01:10 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.148] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2008 05:01:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2008 05:01:10 -0000 Date: 7 Oct 2008 05:01:09 -0000 Message-ID: <1223355669.72831.82142.w114@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /An Analog Hybrid Quadraphonic AM Surround System.doc Uploaded by : jotape1960 Description : A crazy proposal, from an AM fan and lover You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/An%20Analog%20Hybrid%20Quadraphonic%20AM%20Surround%20System.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, jotape1960 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Oct 06 22:08:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98675 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 05:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2008 05:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.132) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 05:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2008 05:08:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2008 05:08:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:08:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.66 From: "jotape1960" Subject: A crazy proposal, from an AM fan and lover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=yyN19AHOhPyzrCJEhBf34LYXtVzAxBJTZ6IlpD-ZokHxFLzmxg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi gang!!! If somebody want to read a really crazy proposal (from me, of=20 course), just take a look at the Files menu of the forum. I don't think this work is the first paper about it (I don't think=20 I'm the only one man in the world who thought about it), but I think=20 it should be read as a real possibility. Of course, it is just a theory. It needs to be tested "in the=20 field". But I'm not an engineer so... Any omission, error, mistake, etc. please, let me know to correct it. It is just an invitation. Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Oct 06 22:28:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23584 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 05:28:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2008 05:28:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.137) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 05:28:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2008 05:28:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2008 05:28:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:28:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.66 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Stereo separation vs Stereo image illusion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=I3ZU4k96Vkx0yvcp3Y6I64SD9rwQTra6l9hkPeivR1Aqpd9UsA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi gang!!! As a complement about a past issue of the forum, I want to add some=20 data about the stereo image. A very good stereo separation, to any kind of stereo system, can be=20 any above 30 dbs (the vinyl performance). However, we don't must to confuse about it. One thing is the technical data about the channels separation (the=20 real physical amount of difference between the audio channels). Another thing is the "mental" stereo image illusion. One thing is the physical thing, another thing is what our brain feels. We need only 3 dbs to get an spatial difference in our brain. However, we need some another things to get a good stereo spatial=20 image. A good example is: 1) Try to record some sound with a very good PC audio card and a very=20 good PC sound software (Cool Edit Pro, hehehe). 2) Put the sound into only, let's say, the right channel output. 3) Hear it. Of course, you'll hear it only in your right ear. But...=20 How much to your right side you're hearing the sound? 4) Now, use the software and make a new mix passing a 30% of negative=20 signal of the original sound to the left channel and hear it again.=20 You'll feel the sound more far to your right side? This is an old recording trick. Even more, you can put a sound at the same level into both output=20 channels, but delaying one of them a few milliseconds and you'll hear=20 a very good stereo spatial image illusion. So, one thing is the real technical stereo separation and another=20 thing is the final mental illusion. There is no reason to get a poor real stereo separation with AM=20 Stereo. Another thing is a very good mental stereo illusion.=20 Unfortunately, not all the available stereo material was made with=20 this issue "in mind". Just a humble contribution. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Tue Oct 07 01:05:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4795 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 08:05:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2008 08:05:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.107) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 08:05:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2008 08:05:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2008 08:05:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2008 08:05:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2008 08:05:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:05:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 203.161.90.201 From: "dandocker" Subject: Re: A crazy proposal, from an AM fan and lover X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=cQL2na4-tkKP5aFD3tEPaiNKEayjhmyda0TdQRzR7TH-tuEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Hi Juan, that sounds like a cool idea. I'm not a radio engineer either, but another idea could be to use Independent Sidebands to transmit the L and R channels, and the CQUAM quadrature carrier to transmit an extended audio frequency range (9kHz- 15kHz). This way we could have full frequency AM stereo using an ordinary AM channel. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Hi gang!!! >=20 > If somebody want to read a really crazy proposal (from me, of=20 > course), just take a look at the Files menu of the forum. >=20 > I don't think this work is the first paper about it (I don't think=20 > I'm the only one man in the world who thought about it), but I think=20 > it should be read as a real possibility. >=20 > Of course, it is just a theory. It needs to be tested "in the=20 > field". But I'm not an engineer so... >=20 > Any omission, error, mistake, etc. please, let me know to correct it. >=20 > It is just an invitation. >=20 > Thanks for your time!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=EF=BF=BD, Chile, South America, with love > From ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com Tue Oct 07 06:27:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88153 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 13:27:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2008 13:27:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.187) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 13:27:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2008 13:27:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2008 13:27:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:27:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1223355669.72831.82142.w114@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.175.225.22 From: "ai9e_qrp" Subject: Re: New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=241001136; y=MdqtQ4Zd3QFHoLdMMbCFiaXKoBKkxdaIseFZQs7o7IpxT14 X-Yahoo-Profile: ai9e_qrp --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 wrote: > >=20 > Hello, >=20 > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 > group. >=20 > File : /An Analog Hybrid Quadraphonic AM Surround=20 System.doc=20 > Uploaded by : jotape1960 =20 > Description : A crazy proposal, from an AM fan and lover=20 Juan, your idea is brilliant, it is also I am sorry, unworkable.=20=20 CQUAM is also an 'ISB' system. The effect of CQUAM modulation is to=20 separate L and R information onto upper and lower sidebands, even if=20 that is not explicitly its intent. Similar to Kahn ISB, you can=20 detect (distorted) L and R channel audio from CQUAM with two AM=20 receivers tuned high and low. While you can modulate 4 channels of=20 audio info onto a carrier with your scheme, you cannot sepaarate=20 then back out with a receiver. Dave From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Tue Oct 07 07:54:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: Tom_Richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44517 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 14:54:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2008 14:54:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web82405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.86.175) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 14:54:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 84373 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2008 14:54:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: w0BHzMoVM1l3tHM9jC.kFVjHdfum2GADRJhPLwLlAgVE.rkiYYeR5zt4CDfep_y5Wmq22YON7auTeCSvHwD1p2xJa9b1ZehNmJuLoGB4_z3BO._H.GYQHm_RGn5K_deEFtK.K5UiZUTPlcpNmsMVPSQ.ixDagbDrm.jf9_Vy4.v5 X-Received: from [222.88.246.210] by web82405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:54:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:54:14 -0700 (PDT) To: undisclosed recipients: ; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <865578.81023.qm@web82405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.86.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Tom Subject: hi X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=v62y8tIXPUAAhD54LRiACHlu1DVz4lmL3t4i9ADRnrZOwG6I58q5Dgkg X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello friend, how are you doing recently?i came across a online website,and had a nice talking with the sales manager,then i bought a few items from them,i feel very satisfied with their service,besides,she said when you buy from them and give my name,they will give you discount. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Oct 07 11:01:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86683 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 18:01:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2008 18:01:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 18:01:44 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d50.3564d9fb (34934) for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:01:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA047-887648eba3fb2d1; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:01:31 -0400 X-Received: from webmail-mf02 (webmail-mf02.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.215]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA011-5c4348eba3ef223; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:01:19 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:01:20 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <569926.92954.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.215) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:01:20 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF6BDD618C9D6-46C-205@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=zoLeYPIV-K1-FNHipUoxHa4G1KB-GO4ZL_tosfvwPmyyXTOecdM5DNchzr17EdDd X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's what asymmetric limiters do.? The phase the signal so the larger peaks are in the positive direction, modulation-wise.? The idea is not new.? I remember seeing a tube-based circuit in a Marcus book many years ago.? It used a mercury relay to do the phase reversal. Mike -----Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 5:10 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 Wouldn't super-mod be kind of a moot point today, though? Most newer perocessors include a phase rotator ("phase scrambler") to bring the audio into much closer symmetry, much as was once done with the Kahn "brick". My old Inovonics actually reversed the phase automatically to keep the big peaks on top...that must have had super-mod in mind, eh? George --- On Fri, 10/3/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 1:47 PM > With the exception of the RCA Amphiphase and a Gates unit, > most tube transmitters can't do 125% positive modulation > very well.? That was one of the reasons for the rulemaking > which was done in the days when tubes ruled. > > The problem was the modulator typically didn't have the > reserve necessary in a high level plate modulated > transmitter.? Gates made a 5 kW model with a 10 kW > modulator.? That's what KXOK in St. Louis used in the > 60s.? ?In theory, the RCA Ampliphase was capable of 150% > upward modulation.? That was when both signal chains came > into?perfect phase.? The problem was the pre-distorter > didn't have that range. > > It's the sideband power that gets range.? > > Mike > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Oct 07 11:03:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75939 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 18:03:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2008 18:03:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 18:03:32 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cf0.44b79107 (34933) for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:03:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA046-887548eba45a2e7; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:03:06 -0400 X-Received: from webmail-mf02 (webmail-mf02.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.215]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA034-5bbd48eba45239d; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:02:58 -0400 References: <8CAF3973C7113EB-14D4-BD1@FWM-M34.sysops.aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:02:59 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.215) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:02:59 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF6BE1111D6DE-46C-21F@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=yrjPbA-34x54pBidIKocLddptQg94wvM6AVU_O4YmsTboEI7iFBPqug3J1eWU1M0 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Right you are. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 2:19 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 On Oct 3, 2008, at 1:47 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > With the exception of the RCA Amphiphase and a Gates unit, most tube > transmitters can't do 125% positive modulation very well.? Continental 317C will do it. > Gates made a 5 kW model with a 10 kW modulator.? The BC-5H Possum [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Oct 07 11:08:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46538 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 18:08:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2008 18:08:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 18:08:15 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cbe.27547ea6 (34909) for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:07:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA026-885d48eba57e77; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:07:58 -0400 X-Received: from webmail-mf02 (webmail-mf02.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.215]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA033-5bbc48eba576c9; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:07:50 -0400 References: <180960.41922.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8CAF2F669EC680C-608-2154@webmail-me07.sysops.aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:07:50 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.215) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:07:50 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF6BEBEFAE15C-46C-26D@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=SXOy3IyT2Igaj7W7a-jkqvvX9kkBJHzpRJIK_ojCoYQ64l5E_8hoL4uXkGwFcozh X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That station WON a Loudness war with 50,000 WHYZ that was running a Optimod 9000 into a VP-50 The AVC that almost all AM radios have "levels" the carrier, so all those watts don't necessarily equal "loud".? It's how those watts are modulated, i.e. sideband power, that makes the difference. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Oct 07 11:13:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97536 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 18:13:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2008 18:13:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 18:13:11 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.be2.3a512b0b (37045) for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:13:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB033-90b548eba6b2183; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:13:06 -0400 X-Received: from webmail-mf02 (webmail-mf02.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.215]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA018-5bb148eba6ac29c; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:13:00 -0400 References: <397621.84107.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <50C8BF2A-D54A-4F52-AD4A-B75052943CE6@gmail.com> <8CAF2F5315AB2DE-608-20D9@webmail-me07.sysops.aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:13:00 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.215) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:13:00 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF6BF77A5B9F4-46C-2D5@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=UeGcnrpR0xZhsh098xgTVXCA8nJ5Z1Tam0JC9kanmnUGf2FsC1ot_RVpV-X354k_ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have seen a properly tuned CBS Audimax / Volumax pair make the > peak flasher on the mod monitor look like a pilot light without > creating listener fatigue.? That HAD to suck up the noise and Pump the bass. ?That's where the tight board came in.? I don't think the compressors ever got a chance to fully recover.? As it didn't divide up the spectrum into individual channels, yes, it pumped the bass or the bass pumped it. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Oct 07 11:13:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86859 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2008 18:13:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2008 18:13:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2008 18:13:31 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so562983yxi.64 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:13:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.117.17 with SMTP id p17mr6279297agc.29.1223403211144; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.107? (66-191-213-175.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 36sm10679509aga.10.2008.10.07.11.13.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <915DDEF0-A530-4846-99F8-89A273CC82D0@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAF6BEBEFAE15C-46C-26D@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:13:29 -0400 References: <180960.41922.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8CAF2F669EC680C-608-2154@webmail-me07.sysops.aol.com> <8CAF6BEBEFAE15C-46C-26D@webmail-mf02.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Optimod 9000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=1uEeCSzwLu_7oLtlrWtovV6xJE3iBRdTClAjBQvHJA-lvIgL56h_9KtQCCd_wQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 7, 2008, at 2:07 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > The AVC that almost all AM radios have "levels" the carrier, so all > those watts don't necessarily equal "loud".? It's how those watts > are modulated, i.e. sideband power, that makes the difference. Yup, it is all about Modulation Density. Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Oct 08 15:00:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29278 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2008 22:00:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2008 22:00:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 22:00:19 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c15.27c9601a (37571) for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:00:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.141]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB048-92c348ed2d6a61; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:00:10 -0400 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MA16 (webmail-ma16.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.80]) by smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA028-5c5248ed2d64ea; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:00:05 -0400 References: <20080928.174746.16580.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> <496842.25012.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <029101c921d2$5b3d69d0$11b83d70$@net> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:00:04 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <029101c921d2$5b3d69d0$11b83d70$@net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.80) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:00:04 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF7A85A0D7690-84-1D43@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=8ECzXNmNyYGOxocgu5Zgv8KFaPyl43eOLW7VpU7EjJvQmK6XNDnsgFgz4YuG0m6w X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Love them Belly Bombers. Now that I have move to L.A. (Lower Arkansas), I can only buy them in frozen form at the Wal Mart Supercenter. Incidentally, my next door neighbor is the morning man on the local radio station.? He is a New Orleans refuge.? Nice guy.? He tells me the station is losing money hand over fist and is the owner is threatening to go automation/satellite full time.? He told me they're down to $6 for a 30-second spot.? Unbelievable. By the way, I found out the owner just drop $30,000 for "engineering stuff" to resolve technical problems.? Mike -----Original Message----- From: J Gualda Q Media To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 8:26 pm Subject: {AMSF} Burgers Huh? Only thing I brought up lately was some bad sliders from White Castle...urp! G "Mmmmmm White castle burgers...ugghhhhhhh" "Homer Simpson" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Oct 08 15:09:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67967 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2008 22:09:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2008 22:09:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 22:09:03 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c36.3d2931bf (37043) for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:08:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB031-90b348ed2f67220; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:08:39 -0400 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MA16 (webmail-ma16.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.80]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA024-5bb548ed2f5f237; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:08:31 -0400 References: <195338.1960.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:08:30 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.80) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:08:30 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF7A9883382FC-84-1DBB@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ec6HiIaoUg1595wUuHYWlanISUbf6UUZzrDkzy72mJXjH0W9bVAUlyp112UpcUqU X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I take the interstate route from St. Louis to El Dorado, I go down I-55 through West Memphis.? Invariably, I miss the I-40 exit and end up in the Home of Delta Blues.? Indeed, there was a Backyard Burger.? Quite good.? I was alittle disappointed in the Memphis Best bbq. In El Dorado there is obscure chain called "Minuteman Burger" which is alot like Backyard Burger. Mike -----Original Message----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 8:32 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers On Sep 28, 2008, at 8:27 PM, JNR wrote: > Not to start an OT burger war, but I prefer Krystal! They don't have White Castle around here in West Tennessee. The closest thing is 30 miles away and its Krystal. There is a regional burger joint around here called Backyard Burgers and they are very good. They are across the street from Krystal in Corinth, Mississippi. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Oct 08 15:15:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72752 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2008 22:15:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2008 22:15:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 22:15:32 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bd3.30458b56 (37120) for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:15:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA016-910048ed30f9ee; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:15:21 -0400 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MA16 (webmail-ma16.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.80]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA037-5c5948ed30f615a; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:15:18 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:15:18 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <560379.43983.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.80) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:15:18 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF7AA7B4E4E54-84-1E1D@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=rQuVZxube3LYELXD8FX52OIhP8ntjAbgPTyklxGpdQUc0YkW7qRahMfM9EsrA6-j X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think Indianapolis is the home of White Castle.? In the new White Castle they built in my old neighborhood, the wall art is pictures from White Castle's past.? One is from Detroit. What is Big Boy?? I thought there was only one chain and it literally had a big boy out front.? Shoney?? Speaking of burgers, I understand the person who disclosed the "secret sauce" on Big Mac's was just Thousand Island salad dressing is down at Gitmo being waterboarded. Mike -----Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 9:19 pm Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers Oh yeah, Tim Hortons are all over, especially here in Michigan. We must have dozens just in the Metro Detroit area alone, TWO within walking distance of me. As for Burgers, best I ever had was Frisch's Big Boy in Ohio. We have Elias Bros. Big Boy in Michigan, but those dufuses put thousand island dressing on instead of tarter sauce. I have to specify a "Buckeye Big Boy", or explain the RIGHT way to make one, hah-hah! G --- On Sun, 9/28/08, J Gualda Q Media wrote: > From: J Gualda Q Media > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:49 PM > They don't have White Castle around here in West > Tennessee. The > closest thing is 30 miles away and its Krystal. There is a > regional > burger joint around here called Backyard Burgers and they > are very > good. They are across the street from Krystal in Corinth, > Mississippi. > > Kevin > > > > The closest Krystal is about one and a half hours north of > here. > > > > Honestly, I can't tell the difference, as I have always > eaten them many > months apart. Krystals are good comfort food. > > > > In another OT..I found a Tim Horton's in West > Virginia..I didn't know they > were outside of Canada. Good Coffee and great pastries > & donuts.."Mmmmm > Donuts" > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Oct 08 15:18:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45802 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2008 22:18:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2008 22:18:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 22:18:07 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cdb.40e3f660 (37062) for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:17:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.141]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB048-90c648ed3190335; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:17:53 -0400 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MA16 (webmail-ma16.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.80]) by smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA024-5c4e48ed318c19b; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:17:48 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:17:48 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <284815.14153.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.80) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:17:48 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF7AAD49DEA82-84-1E36@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=GnbxPzuTMheMXj1_dcNi1Pl7SpDX660WjzuR7BE4S-jIM7sKp0_yjgaXFHIFDcLX X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do we have any votes for Steak n Shake? My parents stock our whole kitchen with their glassware and china when I was a kid.? There steakburgers are somewhat unique.? So thin you could read a newspapers through them. Mike -----Original Message----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 9:26 pm Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers We have plenty around R.I. as they bought Bess Eaton.? I prefer a local chain: Sip & Dip.? As for the burgers, the nearest White Castle is near New York City, about 3-4 hours away. I just had a burger from Chelo's.? It's another local chain that's in R.I. & they have steak fries.? Mmm, steak fries. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Sun, 9/28/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 10:19 PM Oh yeah, Tim Hortons are all over, especially here in Michigan. We must have dozens just in the Metro Detroit area alone, TWO within walking distance of me. As for Burgers, best I ever had was Frisch's Big Boy in Ohio. We have Elias Bros. Big Boy in Michigan, but those dufuses put thousand island dressing on instead of tarter sauce. I have to specify a "Buckeye Big Boy", or explain the RIGHT way to make one, hah-hah! G --- On Sun, 9/28/08, J Gualda Q Media wrote: > From: J Gualda Q Media > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:49 PM > They don't have White Castle around here in West > Tennessee. The > closest thing is 30 miles away and its Krystal. There is a > regional > burger joint around here called Backyard Burgers and they > are very > good. They are across the street from Krystal in Corinth, > Mississippi. > > Kevin > > > > The closest Krystal is about one and a half hours north of > here. > > > > Honestly, I can't tell the difference, as I have always > eaten them many > months apart. Krystals are good comfort food. > > > > In another OT..I found a Tim Horton's in West > Virginia..I didn't know they > were outside of Canada. Good Coffee and great pastries > & donuts.."Mmmmm > Donuts" > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Oct 08 16:49:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66098 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2008 23:49:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2008 23:49:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2008 23:49:16 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.165] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081008184851102226600010.0) with SMTP id <20081008184851102226600010> for ; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:48:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00fb01c929a1$56fc0440$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:48:51 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AM-80 Modulation Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=shzoqt9m2D2hEpRVVaRW3TQa395XdqpveXQ1KkgGlaRU5NSu8TSY X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not personally, but I'll bet someone on one of the broadcast engineering boards will. I'll ask for you and see if whoever can make a scan would also provide it to a couple of web sites devoted to old broadcast gear schematics. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 6:57 PM Subject: {AMSF} Harris AM-80 Modulation Monitor Does anyone out there have a copy of the Harris AM modulation monitor available for copy or download? I have a AM-80 and it is need of repair! Thanks, Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 08 17:54:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7664 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2008 00:54:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2008 00:54:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.214) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 00:54:03 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W21 ([64.4.19.121]) by bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:53:54 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:53:54 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8CAF7AAD49DEA82-84-1E36@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> References: <284815.14153.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8CAF7AAD49DEA82-84-1E36@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2008 00:53:54.0210 (UTC) FILETIME=[80B18820:01C929A9] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=tc3meUTEG5x4X_pCJPPSBWVVgbqZVoHPrEHLrOqzhBjAtAS-mvm- X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like Steak and Shake. Their burgers and fries are good and their baked beans are very good. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: mjgrant@aol.comDate: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:17:48 -0400Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers Do we have any votes for Steak n Shake?My parents stock our whole kitchen with their glassware and china when I was a kid.? There steakburgers are somewhat unique.? So thin you could read a newspapers through them.Mike-----Original Message-----From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comSent: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 9:26 pmSubject: RE: {AMSF} BurgersWe have plenty around R.I. as they bought Bess Eaton.? I prefer a local chain: Sip & Dip.? As for the burgers, the nearest White Castle is near New York City, about 3-4 hours away.I just had a burger from Chelo's.? It's another local chain that's in R.I. & they have steak fries.? Mmm, steak fries.73,Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410--- On Sun, 9/28/08, george russell wrote:From: george russell Subject: RE: {AMSF} BurgersTo: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comDate: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 10:19 PMOh yeah, Tim Hortons are all over, especially here in Michigan. We must have dozens just in the Metro Detroit area alone, TWO within walking distance of me.As for Burgers, best I ever had was Frisch's Big Boy in Ohio. We have Elias Bros. Big Boy in Michigan, but those dufuses put thousand island dressing on instead of tarter sauce. I have to specify a "Buckeye Big Boy", or explain the RIGHT way to make one, hah-hah! G--- On Sun, 9/28/08, J Gualda Q Media wrote:> From: J Gualda Q Media > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers> To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:49 PM> They don't have White Castle around here in West> Tennessee. The > closest thing is 30 miles away and its Krystal. There is a> regional > burger joint around here called Backyard Burgers and they> are very > good. They are across the street from Krystal in Corinth,> Mississippi.> > Kevin> > > > The closest Krystal is about one and a half hours north of> here.> > > > Honestly, I can't tell the difference, as I have always> eaten them many> months apart. Krystals are good comfort food.> > > > In another OT..I found a Tim Horton's in West> Virginia..I didn't know they> were outside of Canada. Good Coffee and great pastries> & donuts.."Mmmmm> Donuts"> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 08 17:56:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46601 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2008 00:56:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2008 00:56:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.222) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 00:56:19 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W55 ([64.4.19.155]) by bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:55:12 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:55:11 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8CAF7AA7B4E4E54-84-1E1D@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> References: <560379.43983.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CAF7AA7B4E4E54-84-1E1D@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2008 00:55:12.0216 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF304D80:01C929A9] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.222 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: Shakeys Pizza X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=dwSbpdg4P8l1fcTTJeAveAntBibOJtRORSS1ClUfNAB82fAdZXUs X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone remember Shakeys Pizza? MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jon@kenneke.com Wed Oct 08 18:02:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon@kenneke.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23611 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2008 01:02:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2008 01:02:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO kenneke.com) (65.103.64.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 01:02:15 -0000 X-Received: from kenneke.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9912FZx030227 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:02:15 -0700 X-Received: from localhost (jon@localhost) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id m9912FNf030224 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:02:15 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:02:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <560379.43983.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CAF7AA7B4E4E54-84-1E1D@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.7.4 (kenneke.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:02:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: 65.103.64.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jon Subject: Re: {AMSF} Shakeys Pizza X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77819664; y=Macx6b941AQHguvArlTAUwH9bOOVtrjFsSW6ojM3AHcYb3NIVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jonkenneke Yup, we used to have one in Corvallis, OR. It still exists as a pizza parlor with a name of Izzy's. I forget the story, but I think Izzy and her husband owned the Shakey's. For some reason, they dropped the franchise, and started their own deal, calling it Izzy's. It a small chain in this area these days. Why? J On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > > Does anyone remember Shakeys Pizza? > > > MTGC (Michael) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Oct 08 18:06:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31245 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2008 01:06:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2008 01:06:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fmailhost05.isp.att.net) (207.115.11.55) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 01:06:26 -0000 X-Received: from owner2d075f959 (adsl-144-106-164.mia.bellsouth.net[72.144.106.164]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20081009010624H0500ef0pge>; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 01:06:24 +0000 To: References: <560379.43983.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CAF7AA7B4E4E54-84-1E1D@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:04:22 -0400 Organization: Q Media Hot 100, LAZR, 1003. KOOL Message-ID: <00b001c929aa$f7f816a0$e7e843e0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AckpqeQbZ9NJpS0fQAiAgUNUc8wZtQAAP0Ew Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: 207.115.11.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "J Gualda Q Media" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Shakeys Pizza X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=o62KnE4C1RK2tx_JhUN9PrqLDHiFuzpXswpWetCDPIleHMA X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh yeah...piano player, beer, and good pizza. I miss it....... Juan From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:55 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Shakeys Pizza Does anyone remember Shakeys Pizza? MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Oct 08 18:25:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91783 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2008 01:25:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2008 01:25:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.123) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 01:25:06 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2008 01:25:05 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.111.167] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2008 01:25:05 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp102.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2008 01:25:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 530261.71175.bm@omp102.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 9244 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2008 01:25:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.185 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 01:25:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WbbrJxwVM1ne4M_40.vEwspFBlFyoLfo.IC4Qak7UDSlgpF.GZH989Uwp5oBaeqHx2Gmr4us.68sOzTRArpozmGfnNPIgTWJnnGI_H7GwOnxETyY9MFrd7jowQIFSEikBlX47hRK1Mk94Hl5jHb6huYhTrloG.9PruAkWw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <560379.43983.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CAF7AA7B4E4E54-84-1E1D@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:25:02 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Shakeys Pizza X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=g8r66BjGuqNH1BRGO-vNrkKrWfyBTePWUp4xgXvT0ggEdQ7Lxg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Does anyone remember Shakeys Pizza? Yes, I had many pitchers of beer there. Kevin From dwtpa97@verizon.net Wed Oct 08 19:41:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80693 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2008 02:40:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2008 02:40:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms172069pub.verizon.net) (206.46.172.69) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 02:40:59 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms172069.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K8G00GMZA49ENA3@vms172069.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:40:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:40:58 -0400 To: Message-id: <3BE36F5D302E48008FF3D6E7F5B7CA86@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <560379.43983.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CAF7AA7B4E4E54-84-1E1D@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.172.69 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Shakeys Pizza X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=GPNIrLvBgTXK3s42CTPJOiA2GTbBaCI5oyhgG_ZGyVpQFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I still have a radio ad announcing a new Shakey's location on an old aircheck. We had at least two of them here in town. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:25 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Shakeys Pizza > Does anyone remember Shakeys Pizza? Yes, I had many pitchers of beer there. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Oct 09 04:35:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70050 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2008 11:35:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2008 11:35:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s4.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.143) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 11:35:15 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W48 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s4.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 9 Oct 2008 04:33:18 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:33:18 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: <8CAF7AA7B4E4E54-84-1E1D@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> References: <560379.43983.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CAF7AA7B4E4E54-84-1E1D@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2008 11:33:18.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3910E90:01C92A02] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=XXqL-wiQDswbrz4WNz764A-PLFfdW2wE89fEOxBWCgPfElmAl87FGnuFAaI X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've always been told by my parents and some of their neighbors from Columbus (OH) that White Castle was founded in Columbus and I know that, at least in Columbus the chain goes back to prior to WWII. Will have to google White Castle (did it, check below); I would hate to think that my parents have been misinformed all these years. Donn At one time we had Royal Castle chain here, don't think they were affiliated with White Castle, but they were very much like White Castle; Royal Castle folded in the late 1970's or early 80's. The results of my Google search: White Castle was founded in Wichita, Kansas in Sept 1921; they moved their headquarters to Columbus, Oh in 1933, so White Castle has been headquartered in Columbus for 75 years. The State of Ohio website even has a section on White Castle in it's historical archives. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: mjgrant@aol.comDate: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:15:18 -0400Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers I think Indianapolis is the home of White Castle.? In the new White Castle they built in my old neighborhood, the wall art is pictures from White Castle's past.? One is from Detroit.What is Big Boy?? I thought there was only one chain and it literally had a big boy out front.? Shoney?? Speaking of burgers, I understand the person who disclosed the "secret sauce" on Big Mac's was just Thousand Island salad dressing is down at Gitmo being waterboarded.Mike-----Original Message-----From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comSent: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 9:19 pmSubject: RE: {AMSF} BurgersOh yeah, Tim Hortons are all over, especially here in Michigan. We must have dozens just in the Metro Detroit area alone, TWO within walking distance of me.As for Burgers, best I ever had was Frisch's Big Boy in Ohio. We have Elias Bros. Big Boy in Michigan, but those dufuses put thousand island dressing on instead of tarter sauce. I have to specify a "Buckeye Big Boy", or explain the RIGHT way to make one, hah-hah! G--- On Sun, 9/28/08, J Gualda Q Media wrote:> From: J Gualda Q Media > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:49 PM> They don't have White Castle around here in West> Tennessee. The > closest thing is 30 miles away and its Krystal. There is a> regional > burger joint around here called Backyard Burgers and they> are very > good. They are across the street from Krystal in Corinth,> Mississippi.> > Kevin> > > > The closest Krystal is about one and a half hours north of> here.> > > > Honestly, I can't tell the difference, as I have always> eaten them many> months apart. Krystals are good comfort food.> > > > In another OT..I found a Tim Horton's in West> Virginia..I didn't know they> were outside of Canada. Good Coffee and great pastries> & donuts.."Mmmmm> Donuts"> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Oct 09 05:37:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73684 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2008 12:37:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2008 12:37:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 12:37:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 79954 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Oct 2008 12:36:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HNGX0d0VM1mVfZ7XFIWNq3ccI2qZ1NFCbe80..56ak66n3PxBOSNdng31t4Xj9KSFQSFHaJR_PZNaxDKgOSz0TBOEwEW9dqg_GcuI77w_AIUDyo3gzoPs.QWgWaoRGkrxzm11lWK0HstOEBP9JZwduVzqjFZDwKv0NOVWEyJMIielvC._frYuA7WKg-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 05:36:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 05:36:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <712865.78404.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Shakeys Pizza X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=KQ3l6hgS6lPpgcchCDqX7AXqCKEM2-4FtM5Jrf00cc0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I remember it, but never had any. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 10/8/08, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 8:55 PM > Does anyone remember Shakeys Pizza? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Oct 09 07:19:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24868 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2008 14:19:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2008 14:19:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 14:19:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12977 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Oct 2008 14:19:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EmHz6m0VM1nUwwjfk._YPk5U5hrn26ShlCjRaR5YuSWB1fU5MWlCHGCRG2LEoBbQLtzwQWIpX3yyy7P3sXhghkPtziISU2_13uwsWCMguXX7LMu8wRIkHAMOHb4S8g2d9Em0EKvGiq0C90Hv7t3lNDr1 X-Received: from [72.241.176.83] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:19:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:19:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <168312.12245.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: AM (stereo) In Businesses? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=x8SdEK2s4EHH9253YhuP0LQT1gRUErNyuAZBT7t10Hm7ZT8__kKKqtY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Anybody know of business that ran/runs AM (stereo) in their business? The only place I can think of is the barber shop. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Oct 09 07:32:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27802 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2008 14:32:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2008 14:32:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2008 14:32:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 72563 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Oct 2008 14:32:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dPOl5sQVM1k0JwrOl4RSJffNcFbnt_gldQm3sQDv3eXGNyIadDWtNUQq.2zkzwKS23iI5Ulnv_mQk4HZv4_yWFM2GWNlXKX0H_DrI0BYAK8azTYPVwcogQ.y_U26ug7hToNt0m_.Ed3i.teguhEZgide_m9paSh4dHWQUcXC76.FtOxvd_2KvMDBAAY- X-Received: from [64.223.40.144] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:32:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:32:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5050.72166.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=yVnPxC9AbADWM-I4vQ9QxxbWNyakJ7v6lwke1thw6oEd4tQe_MUV X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My mother came back from vacation in Florida & brought me 12 Krystal burger= s yesterday of which I've already eaten 3 or 4.=A0 I find I like their burg= ers better because they're not as salty but for fries, Krystal & W.C. are e= qually good because they're different. Now, does anybody remember Burger Chef?=A0 We had one here in town until it= became Hardee's in 1984.=A0 I was in preschool in 1983 around the corner f= rom them & used to go there all the time. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Donn Tillman wrote: From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 7:33 AM =20=20=20=20 I've always been told by my parents and some of their neighbors= from Columbus (OH) that White Castle was founded in Columbus and I know th= at, at least in Columbus the chain goes back to prior to WWII. Will have to= google White Castle (did it, check below); I would hate to think that my p= arents have been misinformed all these years. =20 Donn =20 At one time we had Royal Castle chain here, don't think they were affiliate= d with White Castle, but they were very much like White Castle; Royal Castl= e folded in the late 1970's or early 80's. =20 The results of my Google search: =20 White Castle was founded in Wichita, Kansas in Sept 1921; they moved their = headquarters to Columbus, Oh in 1933, so White Castle has been headquartere= d in Columbus for 75 years. =20 The State of Ohio website even has a section on White Castle in it's histor= ical archives. To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. comFrom: mjgrant@aol. comDate: Wed, 8 Oct 2= 008 18:15:18 -0400Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers I think Indianapolis is the home of White Castle.? In the new White Castle = they built in my old neighborhood, the wall art is pictures from White Cast= le's past.? One is from Detroit.What is Big Boy?? I thought there was only = one chain and it literally had a big boy out front.? Shoney?? Speaking of b= urgers, I understand the person who disclosed the "secret sauce" on Big Mac= 's was just Thousand Island salad dressing is down at Gitmo being waterboar= ded. Mike----- Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 9:19 pmSubject= : RE: {AMSF} BurgersOh yeah, Tim Hortons are all over, especially here in M= ichigan. We must have dozens just in the Metro Detroit area alone, TWO with= in walking distance of me.As for Burgers, best I ever had was Frisch's Big = Boy in Ohio. We have Elias Bros. Big Boy in Michigan, but those dufuses put= thousand island dressing on instead of tarter sauce. I have to specify a "Buckeye Big Boy", or explain the RIGHT way to make one, hah-hah= ! G--- On Sun, 9/28/08, J Gualda Q Media wrote:> F= rom: J Gualda Q Media > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers= > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:= 49 PM> They don't have White Castle around here in West> Tennessee. The > c= losest thing is 30 miles away and its Krystal. There is a> regional > burge= r joint around here called Backyard Burgers and they> are very > good. They= are across the street from Krystal in Corinth,> Mississippi. > > Kevin> > = > > The closest Krystal is about one and a half hours north of> here.> > > = > Honestly, I can't tell the difference, as I have always> eaten them many>= months apart. Krystals are good comfort food.> > > > In another OT..I foun= d a Tim Horton's in West> Virginia..I didn't know they> were outside of Can= ada. Good Coffee and great pastries> & donuts.."Mmmmm> Donuts"> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non- t= ext portions of this message have been removed]=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Oct 09 17:16:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67963 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 00:16:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 00:16:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 00:16:01 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.37] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081009191449101608600010.0) with SMTP id <20081009191449101608600010> for ; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:14:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008201c92a6e$2331b880$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:14:49 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AM-80 Modulation Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=k3nxn93BRPcKdpKi5wr5Z9dfyJolt3SdBYHpUKp_UbS7ddlAqo9y X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did you get anyone's help? Had someone email me a scan this afternoon but I'll have to forward it to you from work as dial-up takes too long. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 6:57 PM Subject: {AMSF} Harris AM-80 Modulation Monitor Does anyone out there have a copy of the Harris AM modulation monitor available for copy or download? I have a AM-80 and it is need of repair! Thanks, Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Oct 09 19:50:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48672 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 02:50:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 02:50:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 02:50:51 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so109868ywr.58 for ; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:50:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.149.14 with SMTP id b14mr1314575ybo.59.1223607050536; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.107? (68-115-229-042.static.spbg.sc.charter.com [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm872580yws.5.2008.10.09.19.50.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4AD4E232-FA2D-4E36-803D-180DC19F5B77@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:18:54 -0400 References: <560379.43983.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CAF7AA7B4E4E54-84-1E1D@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Shakeys Pizza X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=qILmgUaz1TtLWVl7IXZYLTXc5wh2RrIbV7IAEBWQ7A9Z33Nvrdpq11mR5R9ATA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 8, 2008, at 8:55 PM, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > Does anyone remember Shakeys Pizza? Yes, it was my FAVORITE Pizza joint. Ours closed up well over 20 years ago. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Oct 09 19:55:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53705 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 02:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 02:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.239) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 02:55:20 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t14so152896wxc.22 for ; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:55:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.40.3 with SMTP id s3mr572204ybj.107.1223607319582; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.107? (68-115-229-042.static.spbg.sc.charter.com [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm901331ywi.1.2008.10.09.19.55.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008201c92a6e$2331b880$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 22:55:13 -0400 References: <008201c92a6e$2331b880$d503fea9@stodd> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.239 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris AM-80 Modulation Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=MaPUwKYE4_6lgAkpEkNhAiosjKM-P74Myt-h2E1Yt5hdF5dwdAtxSkQCR17vMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 9, 2008, at 8:14 PM, wrote: > Did you get anyone's help? Yes, somebody sent it to me as a PDF. Thank you very much anyway. Possum From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Oct 09 20:22:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62503 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 03:22:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 03:22:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 03:22:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46190 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2008 03:22:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .iU2vWIVM1nEPlL0zQBRs3PyCw_awvQQJ_mqblhiJvkLnJpvJpTpzlVD6jVdu0JG7qe6FnBfT3L4t0SgX9w9VrWcjWZOFfLvMepMtwI9ycFQAVyDUpxzg_EUBlch1smzke6S8QXyXr59p2bnukIs1JNNw30eJ5tHSN536x8MTBg12vlLkdOOqxf1Isue X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:22:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:22:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAF7AA7B4E4E54-84-1E1D@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <28822.45775.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=KLSmctCMfIFmPgeNjM165rsrZ5HXNfdDU6cnl5beNljNkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Big Boy exists/existed in several different states under different names, as in: Michigan Elias Brothers Ohio Frisch's, Schoney's West Virginia Elby's, Schoney's Kentucky Prior's Massachusetts Frisch's Florida Frisch's Legend has it that the original Big Boy was created by John Frisch, in Cincinnati, and that to this day the original restaurant STILL has the original Big Boy prototype in an hermetically-sealed vault, but not nescesarily did it rest on Funk and Wagnall's front porch at any time... Anybody remember BBF, Burger Boy Food-o-rama, in WV? or how about Burger Chef in Ohio and elsewhere? I better get out of this topic, my salivary glands are going like a teenager's hormones right now! George --- On Wed, 10/8/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 6:15 PM > I think Indianapolis is the home of White Castle.? In the > new White Castle they built in my old neighborhood, the wall > art is pictures from White Castle's past.? One is from > Detroit. > > What is Big Boy?? I thought there was only one chain and it > literally had a big boy out front.? Shoney?? > > Speaking of burgers, I understand the person who disclosed > the "secret sauce" on Big Mac's was just > Thousand Island salad dressing is down at Gitmo being > waterboarded. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 9:19 pm > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers > > > > > > > Oh yeah, Tim Hortons are all over, especially here in > Michigan. We must have dozens just in the Metro Detroit area > alone, TWO within walking distance of me. > As for Burgers, best I ever had was Frisch's Big Boy in > Ohio. We have Elias Bros. Big Boy in Michigan, but those > dufuses put thousand island dressing on instead of tarter > sauce. I have to specify a "Buckeye Big Boy", or > explain the RIGHT way to make one, hah-hah! G > > --- On Sun, 9/28/08, J Gualda Q Media > wrote: > > > From: J Gualda Q Media > > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:49 PM > > They don't have White Castle around here in West > > Tennessee. The > > closest thing is 30 miles away and its Krystal. There > is a > > regional > > burger joint around here called Backyard Burgers and > they > > are very > > good. They are across the street from Krystal in > Corinth, > > Mississippi. > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > The closest Krystal is about one and a half hours > north of > > here. > > > > > > > > Honestly, I can't tell the difference, as I have > always > > eaten them many > > months apart. Krystals are good comfort food. > > > > > > > > In another OT..I found a Tim Horton's in West > > Virginia..I didn't know they > > were outside of Canada. Good Coffee and great pastries > > & donuts.."Mmmmm > > Donuts" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Oct 09 20:27:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32252 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 03:27:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 03:27:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 03:27:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42471 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2008 03:27:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tL7p1PMVM1k9lpD7IU4umOfhLP.2.QdZ4xVtXp6kgatmlwLDmhGrI7djTxiMX09sZ.9ofQR9fNmSs5iAHUGQLWr1jGls0ERycTrBXxAmqQf7g06Lkh1xqd82taFHb_iCESzhwBiLxRhDIfZfM6QWmGVD2QYmXvxQ2KUPvuenocxskkw7vUQ4p3HxBAHD X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:27:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:27:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <168312.12245.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <602226.42173.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM (stereo) In Businesses? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=mVX4K8fLhNvVELhdWLzHYhlgQz1mCj2uUvuUvYCa4Wy7HQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I am told that a drive-in theatre in Pontiac, Michigan, offered both AM Stereo and FM Stereo in-car sound. Never checked it out myself (I'm a little old for drive-ins), but my friend went there once, and swears the light was on, and the sound followed the picture quite well... Of course, can I really believe anybody notices the audio at a drive-in? Or have they changed since I used to go there to NOT watch the movie? George --- On Thu, 10/9/08, John P. wrote: > From: John P. > Subject: {AMSF} AM (stereo) In Businesses? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 10:19 AM > Anybody know of business that ran/runs AM (stereo) in their > business? The only place I can think of is the barber shop. From keith1226@yahoo.com Thu Oct 09 23:18:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57158 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 06:17:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 06:17:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.131) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 06:17:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44366 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2008 06:17:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bY2n0.8VM1m.A2__gfvhT9QNzxrsggjwh_qzW4EatJRXZek8QJBPsswDnNec6jq_ZfZfQlwJE2mXTIRUtY8RPLi.EjvhqzEFaNfXFFGk5ZfzHY71SVys5qjnS_H4M12sm.t8VRpHDEs3PDPDK__mQG4aIpCZsqsF8q9aqd3Q0z8rwHyugQfsitKyXQE- X-Received: from [71.197.193.155] by web51110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:17:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:17:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <28822.45775.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <759153.43828.qm@web51110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Reply-To: keith1226@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=RPao1liBhod4rcdkapuQNu-HFVvOzv8HBmahBW3ivggRDW7G X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 I've tried, and enjoyed, a number of the burger joints mentioned on my trips around the country, but being from New Jersey, I can't think of burgers without thinking of diners--especially the very old ones that look like old railroad cars or trolley cars. http://www.agilitynut.com/diners/5.html (Summit NJ is a rather upscale town; it's a bit odd that they still have an old diner there, but it's a beauty, as you can see.) Quality of the food varies, of course, but it's a nostalgia thing for me because we often ate in them on family road trips when I was a kid. Many of the Jersey ones are owned by Greek-Americans, so besides American staples like burgers, meatloaf, pot roast, et al, you can often find moussaka, spanakopita, and souvlaki. They are mainly found in the New England states, New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania, but there are a few scattered around the country. I think Archie's Diner in Sioux City, IA was originally in NJ, but was purchased and physically moved to IA. Maybe Juan Gualda or Tom Gruis has eaten there? A few have even found their way to Europe. Keith Beesley in Seattle --- On Thu, 10/9/08, george russell wrote: > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 8:22 PM > Big Boy exists/existed in several different states under > different names, as in: > > Michigan Elias Brothers > Ohio Frisch's, Schoney's > West Virginia Elby's, Schoney's > Kentucky Prior's > Massachusetts Frisch's > Florida Frisch's > > Legend has it that the original Big Boy was created by John > Frisch, in Cincinnati, and that to this day the original > restaurant STILL has the original Big Boy prototype in an > hermetically-sealed vault, but not nescesarily did it rest > on Funk and Wagnall's front porch at any time... > > Anybody remember BBF, Burger Boy Food-o-rama, in WV? or how > about > Burger Chef in Ohio and elsewhere? > > I better get out of this topic, my salivary glands are > going like a > teenager's hormones right now! > > George > > > > --- On Wed, 10/8/08, mjgrant@aol.com > wrote: > > > From: mjgrant@aol.com > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 6:15 PM > > I think Indianapolis is the home of White Castle.? In > the > > new White Castle they built in my old neighborhood, > the wall > > art is pictures from White Castle's past.? One is > from > > Detroit. > > > > What is Big Boy?? I thought there was only one chain > and it > > literally had a big boy out front.? Shoney?? > > > > Speaking of burgers, I understand the person who > disclosed > > the "secret sauce" on Big Mac's was just > > Thousand Island salad dressing is down at Gitmo being > > waterboarded. > > > > Mike > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: george russell > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 9:19 pm > > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah, Tim Hortons are all over, especially here in > > Michigan. We must have dozens just in the Metro > Detroit area > > alone, TWO within walking distance of me. > > As for Burgers, best I ever had was Frisch's Big > Boy in > > Ohio. We have Elias Bros. Big Boy in Michigan, but > those > > dufuses put thousand island dressing on instead of > tarter > > sauce. I have to specify a "Buckeye Big > Boy", or > > explain the RIGHT way to make one, hah-hah! G > > > > --- On Sun, 9/28/08, J Gualda Q Media > > wrote: > > > > > From: J Gualda Q Media > > > > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:49 PM > > > They don't have White Castle around here in > West > > > Tennessee. The > > > closest thing is 30 miles away and its Krystal. > There > > is a > > > regional > > > burger joint around here called Backyard Burgers > and > > they > > > are very > > > good. They are across the street from Krystal in > > Corinth, > > > Mississippi. > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > The closest Krystal is about one and a half hours > > north of > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Honestly, I can't tell the difference, as I > have > > always > > > eaten them many > > > months apart. Krystals are good comfort food. > > > > > > > > > > > > In another OT..I found a Tim Horton's in West > > > Virginia..I didn't know they > > > were outside of Canada. Good Coffee and great > pastries > > > & donuts.."Mmmmm > > > Donuts" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > From ex-engineer@hotmail.com Fri Oct 10 02:35:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ex-engineer@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42432 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 09:35:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 09:35:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.212) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 09:35:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2008 09:35:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2008 09:35:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:35:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 218.214.129.136 From: "quadcom38" Subject: Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=340039075; y=uA76IcomA0101nRl2KtgiJ_AkK_hOcPvJmVADrakAvBm6WaI X-Yahoo-Profile: quadcom38 Hey all It's time for a swan song. I've been a devoted fan of AM stereo for over 20 years. I joined this NG because like many other contributors, and against the odds, I wanted to keep AM Stereo alive. Somehow, being part of a greater whole, I thought there might just be still some hope... Like many members of this NG, I have several AM Stereo receivers, and those of us who are members of this NG know that AM stereo technology was/is terrific. But - (and we all know this) for a multiplicity of reasons, AMS just did not "take-off". So now, no matter which of my AMS receivers I use, the Pilot light is no longer illuminated. Sure, I can hear AM stations in wideband, and here in Australia they can broadcast past 7KHz and still sound pretty good - the fact is that over the last 10 years, one by one, those pilots have been going out. And this NG seems to have descended into a general chat group about anything but AM Stereo. Someone recently mentioned that the number of AMS stations still broadcasting globally is probably less than 25; here in Australia, from nearly ALL AM stations being in stereo 10 years ago, the last true AMS stations number just 3: 2CA 1053, 2CC 1206, 4BC 1116. So what is the future for AMS? Bleak, I'd say. And the latest posts in the NG confirm this. Sorry guys, it's been great, but it should have been better. The group has lost focus, and for me it's time to say goodbye. Bad regulatory decisions, the power of big money, and lazy government has beaten us. And I'm talking about Australia! I don't hold out much hope for DAB+ either, but then I'm getting old. Cheers, and 73's Ex-Engineer From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 05:34:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43460 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 12:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 12:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 12:34:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 48113 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2008 12:34:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dSwThL0VM1nqUxDVSqdgaiSZAMyJW7F8Scnd9JNaUJ0MX3Rmwsl2_G7NL5N5OZORSagALWMjIX8PqC53zQWImLAvNr91KJjAUKtD3W6VyElND9cksiZH..8NJSlKVRSdbPOmfOh0JzNgf0ej3b4sZR_E X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:34:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:34:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <698310.47635.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re:Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=myOtjLRigpxJNO5u0ZMTA5yskORcN7HSACOzbVIbKK0LofiX6N9h6PM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I'm afraid that popularity of the Internet came 10 years too late to enable us to be a truly unified force in the AM Stereo arena. Paging Marty McFly and Dr. Emmett Brown: If we could time-travel back to the mid-80's and force the FCC to pick one AM stereo system 10 years sooner, and traquilize the talented Leonard Kahn to put his talents to good use and develop CAM-D ahead of HD-AM, and have Sony continue AMS radio production, and have complelling programming on AM, and get the radio stations to make a sweet deal for music and performance rights, and petition the FCC to include AM stereo on all FM stereo radios... You get my drift - hindsight is 20/20. The main thing now that we can do is to get the AM stations that still have working CQuam exciters turn them on, realizing that some of the HD-AM radios can decode it, and that there is still some AMS out there in the T-Birds, Caddy's, minivans and Mustangs. Since our economy is going back to the future, 1987 style, maybe radio can too, as more of the huge radio corporates are selling their stations back to individuals again, and just maybe some of these individuals will actually have a love of radio, as do we. Our biggest best chance for CQuam use is overseas with our friends in Greece. Our group focus needs to see what we can do to help the stations that ARE transmitting CQuam to continue to do so in the way of re-capping their hardware or offering replacements if their hardware takes a lighting strike. Plus, thanks to Chris Cuff and Sotiris, many of us have our own C-Quam transmitters belting-out stereo music on the AM band. I'm not ready to throw in the towel just yet, as I'll take 25 C-Quam stations on the air over zero CQuam stations anyday. 73's to all, John From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Oct 10 08:27:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70917 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 15:26:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 15:26:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 15:26:59 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cf4.3ceb68c4 (34933) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:26:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA046-887548ef743625; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:26:46 -0400 X-Received: from FWM-M41 (fwm-m41.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.243]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA032-5c5448ef742f42; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:26:39 -0400 References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:26:40 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.243) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:26:40 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF903B9F34B0B-E10-616@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=7S3379-2Ywosv75AhZ0RaLwI9rVDjlgC_yrA1tc1VqDp44oAvPtdjAYQEPPVCZZu X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As an engineer (there is no such animal as an ex-engineer), you have a special ability and opportunity.? Lobby stations in your area.? That's what I plan to do. Light a candle rather than curse the darkness.? It's a chicken vs. egg thing.? No one is to going make AMS radios if there is no one to buy them.? No one is going to buy them if there are no stations to listen to.? In my opinion, the place to start is at the station level.? For many, it's no major investment to turn back on the stereo. The thing of it is, a good AMS station sound better even on a non-AMS radio.? I have factory AMS radio in Roadmaster and stations like KCJJ sound suberb.? However, KCJJ sounds great on my 1941 Zenith console radio as well.? As for the modulation penalty, KCJJ sounds as loud as any other station. My new next door neighbor remarked his boss, the station owner, couldn't care less about the product that goes up the tower.? He just worries about sales.? Sometimes management needs assistance in pulling heads out of their rears.? That's where some outside encouragement helps. It's not just AMS, but radio in general that seems to in decline.? AM has been pronounced dead before, right before some of its best times. I'd be glad to talk about AM Stereo as I am a technical guy.? I am working on an idea to reduce the modulation penalty. Mike -----Original Message----- From: quadcom38 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 4:35 am Subject: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? Hey all It's time for a swan song. I've been a devoted fan of AM stereo for over 20 years. I joined this NG because like many other contributors, and against the odds, I wanted to keep AM Stereo alive. Somehow, being part of a greater whole, I thought there might just be still some hope... Like many members of this NG, I have several AM Stereo receivers, and those of us who are members of this NG know that AM stereo technology was/is terrific. But - (and we all know this) for a multiplicity of reasons, AMS just did not "take-off". So now, no matter which of my AMS receivers I use, the Pilot light is no longer illuminated. Sure, I can hear AM stations in wideband, and here in Australia they can broadcast past 7KHz and still sound pretty good - the fact is that over the last 10 years, one by one, those pilots have been going out. And this NG seems to have descended into a general chat group about anything but AM Stereo. Someone recently mentioned that the number of AMS stations still broadcasting globally is probably less than 25; here in Australia, from nearly ALL AM stations being in stereo 10 years ago, the last true AMS stations number just 3: 2CA 1053, 2CC 1206, 4BC 1116. So what is the future for AMS? Bleak, I'd say. And the latest posts in the NG confirm this. Sorry guys, it's been great, but it should have been better. The group has lost focus, and for me it's time to say goodbye. Bad regulatory decisions, the power of big money, and lazy government has beaten us. And I'm talking about Australia! I don't hold out much hope for DAB+ either, but then I'm getting old. Cheers, and 73's Ex-Engineer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Oct 10 08:34:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85889 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 15:34:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 15:34:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 15:34:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c16.4cfd46f9 (37556) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:34:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB035-92b448ef760e202; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:34:38 -0400 X-Received: from FWM-M41 (fwm-m41.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.243]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA033-5bbc48ef760b280; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:34:35 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:34:35 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <759153.43828.qm@web51110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.243) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:34:35 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF904D585E94B-E10-6C3@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=xIYfmsau0GkZhczt0QzFIfTK3wTZMy-WAt1BzAgM56OVyUds5YBz2DSd0Q4PcTUV X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember the Fog City Diner in San Francisco.? It looks like a diner, but the food, and especially the prices, aren't typical diner fare.? I prefer to judge a diner by a staple of any diner's menu:? Chili. I know what you mean about Greek-Americans.? Burgers and Gyro!? Baklava.? Lots of those places in Chicago, which has at least one extended band station near the top of the dial.?? Anyone?know if it is AMS or does WLS has a monopoly? Mike -----Original Message----- From: keith beesley To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 1:17 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers I've tried, and enjoyed, a number of the burger joints mentioned on my trips around the country, but being from New Jersey, I can't think of burgers without thinking of diners--especially the very old ones that look like old railroad cars or trolley cars. http://www.agilitynut.com/diners/5.html (Summit NJ is a rather upscale town; it's a bit odd that they still have an old diner there, but it's a beauty, as you can see.) Quality of the food varies, of course, but it's a nostalgia thing for me because we often ate in them on family road trips when I was a kid. Many of the Jersey ones are owned by Greek-Americans, so besides American staples like burgers, meatloaf, pot roast, et al, you can often find moussaka, spanakopita, and souvlaki. They are mainly found in the New England states, New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania, but there are a few scattered around the country. I think Archie's Diner in Sioux City, IA was originally in NJ, but was purchased and physically moved to IA. Maybe Juan Gualda or Tom Gruis has eaten there? A few have even found their way to Europe. Keith Beesley in Seattle --- On Thu, 10/9/08, george russell wrote: > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 8:22 PM > Big Boy exists/existed in several different states under > different names, as in: > > Michigan Elias Brothers > Ohio Frisch's, Schoney's > West Virginia Elby's, Schoney's > Kentucky Prior's > Massachusetts Frisch's > Florida Frisch's > > Legend has it that the original Big Boy was created by John > Frisch, in Cincinnati, and that to this day the original > restaurant STILL has the original Big Boy prototype in an > hermetically-sealed vault, but not nescesarily did it rest > on Funk and Wagnall's front porch at any time... > > Anybody remember BBF, Burger Boy Food-o-rama, in WV? or how > about > Burger Chef in Ohio and elsewhere? > > I better get out of this topic, my salivary glands are > going like a > teenager's hormones right now! > > George > > > > --- On Wed, 10/8/08, mjgrant@aol.com > wrote: > > > From: mjgrant@aol.com > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 6:15 PM > > I think Indianapolis is the home of White Castle.? In > the > > new White Castle they built in my old neighborhood, > the wall > > art is pictures from White Castle's past.? One is > from > > Detroit. > > > > What is Big Boy?? I thought there was only one chain > and it > > literally had a big boy out front.? Shoney?? > > > > Speaking of burgers, I understand the person who > disclosed > > the "secret sauce" on Big Mac's was just > > Thousand Island salad dressing is down at Gitmo being > > waterboarded. > > > > Mike > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: george russell > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 9:19 pm > > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah, Tim Hortons are all over, especially here in > > Michigan. We must have dozens just in the Metro > Detroit area > > alone, TWO within walking distance of me. > > As for Burgers, best I ever had was Frisch's Big > Boy in > > Ohio. We have Elias Bros. Big Boy in Michigan, but > those > > dufuses put thousand island dressing on instead of > tarter > > sauce. I have to specify a "Buckeye Big > Boy", or > > explain the RIGHT way to make one, hah-hah! G > > > > --- On Sun, 9/28/08, J Gualda Q Media > > wrote: > > > > > From: J Gualda Q Media > > > > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:49 PM > > > They don't have White Castle around here in > West > > > Tennessee. The > > > closest thing is 30 miles away and its Krystal. > There > > is a > > > regional > > > burger joint around here called Backyard Burgers > and > > they > > > are very > > > good. They are across the street from Krystal in > > Corinth, > > > Mississippi. > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > The closest Krystal is about one and a half hours > > north of > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Honestly, I can't tell the difference, as I > have > > always > > > eaten them many > > > months apart. Krystals are good comfort food. > > > > > > > > > > > > In another OT..I found a Tim Horton's in West > > > Virginia..I didn't know they > > > were outside of Canada. Good Coffee and great > pastries > > > & donuts.."Mmmmm > > > Donuts" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Oct 10 08:40:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66411 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 15:40:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 15:40:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 15:40:43 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d61.366afcbc (34908) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:40:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA025-885c48ef77691f3; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:40:25 -0400 X-Received: from FWM-M41 (fwm-m41.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.243]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA038-5c5a48ef775d99; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:40:13 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:40:13 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <602226.42173.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.243) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:40:13 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF9059EEA346B-E10-742@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM (stereo) In Businesses? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=xdx8ejXTNMekg2OndGvDiqTuz1ogPpo9IiTdtMKmXouiwEZzG1YTA3vRqM7L6bLR X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm a little old for drive-ins In St. Louis, us oldsters is about the only ones who go to true 50s style (not Sonic) drive-ins.? There are alot of old car exhibits on the weekends.? Steak n Shake changes with the times.? However, Chuck-a-Burger didn't for the most part. When I was in high school, on Friday and Saturday night, KXOK would echo on the parking lots although it sometimes couldn't be heard over people coughing from the burning rubber smoke. Mike -----Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:27 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM (stereo) In Businesses? I am told that a drive-in theatre in Pontiac, Michigan, offered both AM Stereo and FM Stereo in-car sound. Never checked it out myself (I'm a little old for drive-ins), but my friend went there once, and swears the light was on, and the sound followed the picture quite well... Of course, can I really believe anybody notices the audio at a drive-in? Or have they changed since I used to go there to NOT watch the movie? George --- On Thu, 10/9/08, John P. wrote: > From: John P. > Subject: {AMSF} AM (stereo) In Businesses? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 10:19 AM > Anybody know of business that ran/runs AM (stereo) in their > business? The only place I can think of is the barber shop. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Oct 10 08:43:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66052 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 15:43:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 15:43:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 15:43:19 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d3d.2c45529a (37031) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:43:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB021-90a748ef7804329; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:43:00 -0400 X-Received: from FWM-M41 (fwm-m41.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.243]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA014-5c4648ef77f43ac; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:42:44 -0400 References: <560379.43983.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CAF7AA7B4E4E54-84-1E1D@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> <4AD4E232-FA2D-4E36-803D-180DC19F5B77@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:42:44 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <4AD4E232-FA2D-4E36-803D-180DC19F5B77@gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.243) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:42:44 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF905F8DCF743-E10-774@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Shakeys Pizza X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=MUfZUiCohk8FAl5MYo3TfjehC1IzaEMWhHdk2HH4ImsvylqFX1rzJI7Sy6Rsgdxy X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I remember Shakey's.? Very good pizza.? I think they had some kind of rule that the owner not only had to know how to make pizza, but play ragtime piano as well. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 6:18 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Shakeys Pizza On Oct 8, 2008, at 8:55 PM, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > Does anyone remember Shakeys Pizza? Yes, it was my FAVORITE Pizza joint. Ours closed up well over 20 years ago. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Oct 10 08:45:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95069 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 15:45:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 15:45:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 15:45:33 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c15.280a9705 (37166) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:45:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA045-912e48ef78952af; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:45:25 -0400 X-Received: from FWM-M41 (fwm-m41.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.243]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA031-5bba48ef78922b; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:45:22 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:45:23 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <5050.72166.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.243) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:45:23 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF906576BE9FF-E10-7A6@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=QOTZApP1vIDfJT9rE6ee4yXwJU3dMxOH7d089RqlWP3H3lacLe1GJp_F_TsvEi_J X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now, does anybody remember Burger Chef?? Yes, indeed.? And Jeff as well. Mike -----Original Message----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 9:32 am Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers My mother came back from vacation in Florida & brought me 12 Krystal burgers yesterday of which I've already eaten 3 or 4.? I find I like their burgers better because they're not as salty but for fries, Krystal & W.C. are equally good because they're different. Now, does anybody remember Burger Chef?? We had one here in town until it became Hardee's in 1984.? I was in preschool in 1983 around the corner from them & used to go there all the time. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Donn Tillman wrote: From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 7:33 AM I've always been told by my parents and some of their neighbors from Columbus (OH) that White Castle was founded in Columbus and I know that, at least in Columbus the chain goes back to prior to WWII. Will have to google White Castle (did it, check below); I would hate to think that my parents have been misinformed all these years. Donn At one time we had Royal Castle chain here, don't think they were affiliated with White Castle, but they were very much like White Castle; Royal Castle folded in the late 1970's or early 80's. The results of my Google search: White Castle was founded in Wichita, Kansas in Sept 1921; they moved their headquarters to Columbus, Oh in 1933, so White Castle has been headquartered in Columbus for 75 years. The State of Ohio website even has a section on White Castle in it's historical archives. To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. comFrom: mjgrant@aol. comDate: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:15:18 -0400Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers I think Indianapolis is the home of White Castle.? In the new White Castle they built in my old neighborhood, the wall art is pictures from White Castle's past.? One is from Detroit.What is Big Boy?? I thought there was only one chain and it literally had a big boy out front.? Shoney?? Speaking of burgers, I understand the person who disclosed the "secret sauce" on Big Mac's was just Thousand Island salad dressing is down at Gitmo being waterboarded. Mike----- Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 9:19 pmSubject: RE: {AMSF} BurgersOh yeah, Tim Hortons are all over, especially here in Michigan. We must have dozens just in the Metro Detroit area alone, TWO within walking distance of me.As for Burgers, best I ever had was Frisch's Big Boy in Ohio. We have Elias Bros. Big Boy in Michigan, but those dufuses put thousand island dressing on instead of tarter sauce. I have to specify a "Buckeye Big Boy", or explain the RIGHT way to make one, hah-hah! G--- On Sun, 9/28/08, J Gualda Q Media wrote:> From: J Gualda Q Media > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers> To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:49 PM> They don't have White Castle around here in West> Tennessee. The > closest thing is 30 miles away and its Krystal. There is a> regional > burger joint around here called Backyard Burgers and they> are very > good. They are across the street from Krystal in Corinth,> Mississippi. > > Kevin> > > > The closest Krystal is about one and a half hours north of> here.> > > > Honestly, I can't tell the difference, as I have always> eaten them many> months apart. Krystals are good comfort food.> > > > In another OT..I found a Tim Horton's in West> Virginia..I didn't know they> were outside of Canada. Good Coffee and great pastries> & donuts.."Mmmmm> Donuts"> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non- text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Oct 10 08:54:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60613 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 15:54:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 15:54:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 15:54:26 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.be2.3abd0bd0 (37571) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:54:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB048-92c348ef7aa53c2; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:54:13 -0400 X-Received: from FWM-M41 (fwm-m41.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.243]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA016-5c4848ef7a98209; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:54:00 -0400 References: <560379.43983.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com><8CAF7AA7B4E4E54-84-1E1D@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:54:01 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.243) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:54:01 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF9078C3BC227-E10-85E@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=MaUVJidCImN6cohPvBd8LR9n9XAZAKMDZ-Teedi_V20hvzIqjKAvvK097J6q5L4E X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the wall art at a new White Castle in my old neighborhood, they have three women at the counter from 1930.? My parents who lived through the Great Depression used to talk about going to White Castle in St. Louis on a cheap date with money earned by collecting milk bottles. I hope the Great Depression doesn't make a comeback because milk bottles aren't a plentiful now. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Donn Tillman To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 6:33 am Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers I've always been told by my parents and some of their neighbors from Columbus (OH) that White Castle was founded in Columbus and I know that, at least in Columbus the chain goes back to prior to WWII. Will have to google White Castle (did it, check below); I would hate to think that my parents have been misinformed all these years. Donn At one time we had Royal Castle chain here, don't think they were affiliated with White Castle, but they were very much like White Castle; Royal Castle folded in the late 1970's or early 80's. The results of my Google search: White Castle was founded in Wichita, Kansas in Sept 1921; they moved their headquarters to Columbus, Oh in 1933, so White Castle has been headquartered in Columbus for 75 years. The State of Ohio website even has a section on White Castle in it's historical archives. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: mjgrant@aol.comDate: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:15:18 -0400Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers I think Indianapolis is the home of White Castle.? In the new White Castle they built in my old neighborhood, the wall art is pictures from White Castle's past.? One is from Detroit.What is Big Boy?? I thought there was only one chain and it literally had a big boy out front.? Shoney?? Speaking of burgers, I understand the person who disclosed the "secret sauce" on Big Mac's was just Thousand Island salad dressing is down at Gitmo being waterboarded.Mike-----Original Message-----From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comSent: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 9:19 pmSubject: RE: {AMSF} BurgersOh yeah, Tim Hortons are all over, especially here in Michigan. We must have dozens just in the Metro Detroit area alone, TWO within walking distance of me.As for Burgers, best I ever had was Frisch's Big Boy in Ohio. We have Elias Bros. Big Boy in Michigan, but those dufuses put thousand island dressing on instead of tarter sauce. I have to specify a "Buckeye Big Boy", or explain the RIGHT way to make one, hah-hah! G--- On Sun, 9/28/08, J Gualda Q Media wrote:> From: J Gualda Q Media > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:49 PM> They don't have White Castle around here in West> Tennessee. The > closest thing is 30 miles away and its Krystal. There is a> regional > burger joint around here called Backyard Burgers and they> are very > good. They are across the street from Krystal in Corinth,> Mississippi.> > Kevin> > > > The closest Krystal is about one and a half hours north of> here.> > > > Honestly, I can 't tell the difference, as I have always> eaten them many> months apart. Krystals are good comfort food.> > > > In another OT..I found a Tim Horton's in West> Virginia..I didn't know they> were outside of Canada. Good Coffee and great pastries> & donuts.."Mmmmm> Donuts"> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 09:01:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73147 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 16:01:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 16:01:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.233) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 16:01:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 92047 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2008 16:01:41 -0000 X-Received: from [64.223.40.144] by web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:01:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:01:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <556583.90279.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=Qf16sB7gQWK_YWlT-JCyC1x5XrDRl_Pj6xquc8VJ_RIunCqe6ch4 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah because either there's no activity here unless it's some blather about= decoding chips or it goes into an all-out political war which has happened= twice now we go to general chat.=A0 As political as I am I've tried not to= get lured in even though there have been times I've so badly wanted to.=A0= It's all a waiting game.=A0 I personally am waiting to own a station (whic= h could still be years away).=A0 So what am I supposed to talk about?=A0 Ma= inly I've stayed in the background but have been with A.M.S. for 11 years n= ow.=A0 I've tried talking to these stations & they don't want to hear it.= =A0 These are independently-owned stations too! By the way, the actual number of worldwide A.M.S. stations are ~170.=A0 I r= emember someone @ WNRI/1380-Woonsocket, R.I. telling me with a sneer there = were only 19 stations left in stereo. Most A.M.s are now talk.=A0 In the U.S., the corporate owners of the Class = A stations have put in HD on those signals.=A0 I'm gonna say it: in the las= t 10 years, Clear Channel under Randy Michaels was the biggest thorn in our= side.=A0 He was a Kahn fan.=A0 I don't know why as I think that system sou= nded horrible from what I have heard.=A0 Its audio response was terrible!= =A0 C-QuAM sounds so much better but Magnavox's system sounds even better t= han that.=A0 If you're gonna be stereo, THAT'S what matters!=A0 Not "can I = be heard 1,000+ miles away?"=A0 The local ad base is what supports these st= ations now, not the DX advertisers because there aren't really any. So now we wait it out.=A0 With the economy weakening & with the group owner= s' & syndicators' stock values in the toilet in a lot of cases (Citadel, We= stwood One, Radio One, etc.) it's only a matter of time before the station = values get down to where a local rich person can afford it & THEN it still = goes downward.=A0 A correction of value.=A0 ESPECIALLY on A.M.!=A0 THAT'S w= hen we strike.=A0 So long as C.C., Citadel, Cox & their ilk still own these= places stereo will be an afterthought.=A0 It's still gonna be awhile befor= e the Bill Normans of the world come out in droves.=A0 Then there's still A= NOTHER problem! A.M. listenership, I think, has started declining again with the transferri= ng of talk & information to F.M. to keep THOSE stations afloat!=A0 A.M. wil= l in a few more years be listened to by less people than now.=A0 Ethnic & r= eligious programs will probably be on there for awhile but unless there's a= marked change, not much else. A.M. stations will have to move back towards the hometown station style of = broadcasting to keep an audience unless they're in major towns & even then = it's not a sure thing. If A.M.S. in the future is to take off then it's going to need A. Good qual= ity programming that people WANT to tune in to & can't get anywhere else, B= . Probably to give away & sell some of the few A.M.S. radios left (Meduci c= ould probably clean up, especially if those units were fixed-frequency!), C= . Hope that instead of a stupid "Fairness" Doctorine (which, among other th= ings, will only help keep the status quo in office by having, say the polit= icians or ideas attacked that are firmly entrenched to get MORE airtime!=A0= They are already covered in the news & the internet sure as hell doesn't h= ave a "Fairness" Doctorine), the F.C.C. realizes that Scott's 2001 proposal= to amend the All-Channels Receiver Act so that any radio capable of pickin= g up F.M. stereo ALSO has to pick up A.M. stereo should be enacted! Plus, you know what an article gaining attention on the ABDX site is?=A0 Ci= rcuit City (big box electronics retailer) going under.=A0 Not exactly tied = into DXing but it's still a hot topic!=A0 Plus, we're talking about food.= =A0 You all know that people in radio stations LOVE to eat & talk about it!= =A0 It's a hotter topic there than sex! Yes this is a dark time but aside from having a station or 2 added, this is= n't quite the time to act either.=A0 The winds may start to change. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Fri, 10/10/08, quadcom38 wrote: From: quadcom38 Subject: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 5:35 AM =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Hey all It's time for a swan song. I've been a devoted fan of AM stereo for over 20 years. I joined this NG because like many other contributors, and against the odds, I wanted to keep AM Stereo alive. Somehow, being part of a greater whole, I thought there might just be still some hope... Like many members of this NG, I have several AM Stereo receivers, and those of us who are members of this NG know that AM stereo technology was/is terrific. But - (and we all know this) for a multiplicity of reasons, AMS just did not "take-off". So now, no matter which of my AMS receivers I use, the Pilot light is no longer illuminated. Sure, I can hear AM stations in wideband, and here in Australia they can broadcast past 7KHz and still sound pretty good - the fact is that over the last 10 years, one by one, those pilots have been going out. And this NG seems to have descended into a general chat group about anything but AM Stereo. Someone recently mentioned that the number of AMS stations still broadcasting globally is probably less than 25; here in Australia, from nearly ALL AM stations being in stereo 10 years ago, the last true AMS stations number just 3: 2CA 1053, 2CC 1206, 4BC 1116. So what is the future for AMS? Bleak, I'd say. And the latest posts in the NG confirm this. Sorry guys, it's been great, but it should have been better. The group has lost focus, and for me it's time to say goodbye. Bad regulatory decisions, the power of big money, and lazy government has beaten us. And I'm talking about Australia! I don't hold out much hope for DAB+ either, but then I'm getting old. Cheers, and 73's Ex-Engineer =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Oct 10 09:05:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90627 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 16:05:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 16:05:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 16:05:54 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.be9.3cddf028 (34930) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:05:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA043-887248ef7d50294; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:05:36 -0400 X-Received: from FWM-M41 (fwm-m41.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.243]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA033-5bbc48ef7d4620f; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:05:26 -0400 References: <560379.43983.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com><8CAF7AA7B4E4E54-84-1E1D@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:05:27 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.243) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:05:27 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF90924CF53EF-E10-931@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Shakeys Pizza X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=IerAQl7mwNVBS0YN7a8rxaoqncZYlG1exqHVDBXhRS9yhK9W-DUOLPsPP4XNKlRz X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doesn't Hewlett Packard have some kind of presence in Corvallis? I remember seeing a documentary a number of years ago about a middle manager?who had been downsized in the early 80s who put his life savings into a Shakey's franchise.? It showed his struggle and that of his family who all pitched in to work the restaurant.? Sadly, in the end, he went under.? Nice guy who worked hard, his customers loved him and the pizza, but it was during the 80s recession and people didn't have money to eat out. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jon To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 8:02 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Shakeys Pizza Yup, we used to have one in Corvallis, OR. It still exists as a pizza parlor with a name of Izzy's. I forget the story, but I think Izzy and her husband owned the Shakey's. For some reason, they dropped the franchise, and started their own deal, calling it Izzy's. It a small chain in this area these days. Why? J On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > > Does anyone remember Shakeys Pizza? > > > MTGC (Michael) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Oct 10 09:08:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24990 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 16:08:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 16:08:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 16:08:26 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c5e.41ac23d9 (37034) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:08:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB024-90aa48ef7df5256; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:08:21 -0400 X-Received: from FWM-M41 (fwm-m41.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.243]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA015-5c4748ef7dea24a; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:08:10 -0400 References: <284815.14153.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com><8CAF7AAD49DEA82-84-1E36@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:08:10 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.243) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:08:10 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF909868B4B37-E10-960@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=2Lppn40wW9Yxv3PBt_RT1GaOA2vveEzPtfbEB4GExmidq_FlOhrnVxyMLEwRk63I X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like Steak and Shake. Their burgers and fries are good and their baked beans are very good. Their fries are unique.? Shoestrings.? Great while hot, not so great cold.? Baked beans, especially in the little crock when eating in are great too.? Everyone argues as to what makes their chili unique.? Someone said it was Coca Cola. Mike -----Original Message----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 7:53 pm Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers I like Steak and Shake. Their burgers and fries are good and their baked beans are very good. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: mjgrant@aol.comDate: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:17:48 -0400Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers Do we have any votes for Steak n Shake?My parents stock our whole kitchen with their glassware and china when I was a kid.? There steakburgers are somewhat unique.? So thin you could read a newspapers through them.Mike-----Original Message-----From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comSent: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 9:26 pmSubject: RE: {AMSF} BurgersWe have plenty around R.I. as they bought Bess Eaton.? I prefer a local chain: Sip & Dip.? As for the burgers, the nearest White Castle is near New York City, about 3-4 hours away.I just had a burger from Chelo's.? It's another local chain that's in R.I. & they have steak fries.? Mmm, steak fries.73,Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410--- On Sun, 9/28/08, george russell wrote:From: george russell Subject: RE: {AMSF} BurgersTo: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comDate: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 10:19 PMOh yeah, Tim Hortons are all over, especially here in Michigan. We must have dozens just in the Metro Detroit area alone, TWO within walking distance of me.As for Burgers, best I ever had was Frisch's Big Boy in Ohio. We have Elias Bros. Big Boy in Michigan, but those dufuses put thousand island dressing on instead of tarter sauce. I have to specify a "Buckeye Big Boy", or explain the RIGHT way to make one, hah-hah! G--- On Sun, 9/28/08, J Gualda Q Media wrote:> From: J Gualda Q Media > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers> To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:49 PM> They don't have White Castle around here in West> Tennessee. The > closest thing is 30 miles away and its Krystal. There is a> regi onal > burger joint around here called Backyard Burgers and they> are very > good. They are across the street from Krystal in Corinth,> Mississippi.> > Kevin> > > > The closest Krystal is about one and a half hours north of> here.> > > > Honestly, I can't tell the difference, as I have always> eaten them many> months apart. Krystals are good comfort food.> > > > In another OT..I found a Tim Horton's in West> Virginia..I didn't know they> were outside of Canada. Good Coffee and great pastries> & donuts.."Mmmmm> Donuts"> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 09:38:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72408 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 16:38:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 16:38:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.162) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 16:38:42 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n23.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2008 16:38:41 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.244] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2008 16:38:41 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp405.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2008 16:38:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 614149.36099.bm@omp405.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 31972 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 16:38:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.185 with plain) by smtp128.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 16:38:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WAJWgaYVM1kA2umuP1iTqrNTvCQMQEDf.TEIgFdOgDfmdhDobNgUvxq.qhTXv8yKwietx7bA1.5FWeW9mwiIKBco15N3IZFONP99guaPh46B4HmYlXJjTjOD.rq0c9VAQSW6HyQplyAwJ4IaI.oR7N7J_ZpqogCJlW2R0XExS36HVUGNT_mU0949qQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <556583.90279.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <556583.90279.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <422E9C21-1781-4498-BE08-B5914BC17599@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:38:39 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=pGn_IONZpwhtvlla4NtQ1NH8kFZGaCvYf1Bj6AA9o8gKU1MY_w X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Oct 10, 2008, at 11:01 AM, JNR wrote: > By the way, the actual number of worldwide A.M.S. stations are ~170. Is there a list for these stations?. .. Kevin From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 10:00:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57605 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 17:00:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 17:00:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.230) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 17:00:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14170 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2008 17:00:41 -0000 X-Received: from [64.223.40.144] by web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:00:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:00:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <422E9C21-1781-4498-BE08-B5914BC17599@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <979700.14090.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=q4uDljzmDPRfT5sKA5QJDpfbna4FHuPy2b3son-1oZ7HNC2AbGMa X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yup, I've counted them on the Meduci link.=A0 Go to www.amstereoradio.com &= look under stations.=A0 It links to Meduci.=A0 I've counted them one-by-on= e but the last time was a few weeks ago. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Fri, 10/10/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 12:38 PM =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 On Oct 10, 2008, at 11:01 AM, JNR wrote: > By the way, the actual number of worldwide A.M.S. stations are ~170. Is there a list for these stations?. .. Kevin =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 13:52:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29010 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 20:52:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 20:52:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 20:52:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 67332 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2008 20:52:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JEV4Ch4VM1lzrI6i9_KKXNnXM8hbcNI1ZW19XEZQ3ur28cFZgSIRhFpUdECZ7yJ1b7Hh1paKzyDgEKy4gpYz0WHaSqbMiLF939J0bx0B90V9eiBnhgk_KWMK4cOOtKc85RLVxA8u5Q6MlAkyBZER3lMdLCETPqMIklaewhNvlS9nytzli6DJuBP6dzE1 X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:52:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:52:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAF906576BE9FF-E10-7A6@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <713300.67282.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=vIsmOdhP0dzyBIP9hPVrV_sqL_b0Uv0hNbwRya_p7Bhdww X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Ah, Jeff! I had forgotten all about him...thanks for the memory jog! G --- On Fri, 10/10/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 11:45 AM > Now, does anybody remember Burger Chef?? > > > Yes, indeed.? And Jeff as well. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JNR > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 9:32 am > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers > > > > > > > My mother came back from vacation in Florida & brought > me 12 Krystal burgers yesterday of which I've already > eaten 3 or 4.? I find I like their burgers better because > they're not as salty but for fries, Krystal & W.C. > are equally good because they're different. > > Now, does anybody remember Burger Chef?? We had one here in > town until it became Hardee's in 1984.? I was in > preschool in 1983 around the corner from them & used to > go there all the time. > > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 > > --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Donn Tillman > wrote: > From: Donn Tillman > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 7:33 AM > > I've always been told by my parents and some of their > neighbors from Columbus (OH) that White Castle was founded > in Columbus and I know that, at least in Columbus the chain > goes back to prior to WWII. Will have to google White Castle > (did it, check below); I would hate to think that my parents > have been misinformed all these years. > > Donn > > At one time we had Royal Castle chain here, don't think > they were affiliated with White Castle, but they were very > much like White Castle; Royal Castle folded in the late > 1970's or early 80's. > > The results of my Google search: > > White Castle was founded in Wichita, Kansas in Sept 1921; > they moved their headquarters to Columbus, Oh in 1933, so > White Castle has been headquartered in Columbus for 75 > years. > > The State of Ohio website even has a section on White > Castle in it's historical archives. > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. comFrom: mjgrant@aol. > comDate: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:15:18 -0400Subject: Re: {AMSF} > Burgers > > I think Indianapolis is the home of White Castle.? In the > new White Castle they built in my old neighborhood, the wall > art is pictures from White Castle's past.? One is from > Detroit.What is Big Boy?? I thought there was only one chain > and it literally had a big boy out front.? Shoney?? Speaking > of burgers, I understand the person who disclosed the > "secret sauce" on Big Mac's was just Thousand > Island salad dressing is down at Gitmo being waterboarded. > Mike----- Original Message----- From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. > comSent: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 9:19 pmSubject: RE: {AMSF} > BurgersOh yeah, Tim Hortons are all over, especially here in > Michigan. We must have dozens just in the Metro Detroit area > alone, TWO within walking distance of me.As for Burgers, > best I ever had was Frisch's Big Boy in Ohio. We have > Elias Bros. Big Boy in Michigan, but those dufuses put > thousand island dressing on instead of tarter sauce. I have > to > specify a "Buckeye Big Boy", or explain the RIGHT > way to make one, hah-hah! G--- On Sun, 9/28/08, J Gualda Q > Media wrote:> From: J > Gualda Q Media > Subject: > RE: {AMSF} Burgers> To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. > com> Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:49 PM> They > don't have White Castle around here in West> > Tennessee. The > closest thing is 30 miles away and its > Krystal. There is a> regional > burger joint around > here called Backyard Burgers and they> are very > > good. They are across the street from Krystal in > Corinth,> Mississippi. > > Kevin> > > > > The closest Krystal is about one and a half hours north > of> here.> > > > Honestly, I can't tell > the difference, as I have always> eaten them many> > months apart. Krystals are good comfort food.> > > > > In another OT..I found a Tim Horton's in West> > Virginia..I didn't know they> were outside of Canada. > Good Coffee and great pastries> & > donuts.."Mmmmm> Donuts"> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of > this message have been removed][Non- text portions of this > message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 13:54:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67158 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 20:54:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 20:54:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 20:54:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 47115 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2008 20:54:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dl87oOMVM1mQ37JJnRb8pFLPVaUKwHkFaCFcPbgOzMh4M1Jb_vQMhD2wo8J9IkdENmcKcJ6pVbAdKakIqtU44nnKlb8KdIHWGGUhCOmtj0E_a65cXLtkZ2hf8Rz3W72z_5SiGKHyx3imXN3Ks42.Bd2nAtK9RmW21_UvZBcEDOwLuilYDuBFweI.OJBF X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:54:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:54:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAF9078C3BC227-E10-85E@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <680903.47058.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=fcLaZDhdjQvAp_73sSaJDthNFu8BFpDEkCSFDECEyI-dlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I hope so too, but it sure looks like it is coming, doesn't it? G --- On Fri, 10/10/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 11:54 AM > In the wall art at a new White Castle in my old > neighborhood, they have three women at the counter from > 1930.? My parents who lived through the Great Depression > used to talk about going to White Castle in St. Louis on a > cheap date with money earned by collecting milk bottles. > > I hope the Great Depression doesn't make a comeback > because milk bottles aren't a plentiful now. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donn Tillman > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 6:33 am > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers > > > > > > > I've always been told by my parents and some of their > neighbors from Columbus (OH) that White Castle was founded > in Columbus and I know that, at least in Columbus the chain > goes back to prior to WWII. Will have to google White Castle > (did it, check below); I would hate to think that my parents > have been misinformed all these years. > > Donn > > At one time we had Royal Castle chain here, don't think > they were affiliated with White Castle, but they were very > much like White Castle; Royal Castle folded in the late > 1970's or early 80's. > > The results of my Google search: > > White Castle was founded in Wichita, Kansas in Sept 1921; > they moved their headquarters to Columbus, Oh in 1933, so > White Castle has been headquartered in Columbus for 75 > years. > > The State of Ohio website even has a section on White > Castle in it's historical archives. > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: mjgrant@aol.comDate: > Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:15:18 -0400Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > > I think Indianapolis is the home of White Castle.? In the > new White Castle they built in my old neighborhood, the wall > art is pictures from White Castle's past.? One is from > Detroit.What is Big Boy?? I thought there was only one chain > and it literally had a big boy out front.? Shoney?? Speaking > of burgers, I understand the person who disclosed the > "secret sauce" on Big Mac's was just Thousand > Island salad dressing is down at Gitmo being > waterboarded.Mike-----Original Message-----From: george > russell To: > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comSent: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 9:19 > pmSubject: RE: {AMSF} BurgersOh yeah, Tim Hortons are all > over, especially here in Michigan. We must have dozens just > in the Metro Detroit area alone, TWO within walking distance > of me.As for Burgers, best I ever had was Frisch's Big > Boy in Ohio. We have Elias Bros. Big Boy in Michigan, but > those dufuses put thousand island dressing on instead of > tarter sauce. I have to specify a "Buckeye Big > Boy", or explain the RIGHT way to make one, hah-hah! > G--- On Sun, 9/28/08, J Gualda Q Media > wrote:> From: J Gualda Q > Media > Subject: RE: {AMSF} > Burgers> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> Date: > Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:49 PM> They don't have > White Castle around here in West> Tennessee. The > > closest thing is 30 miles away and its Krystal. There is > a> regional > burger joint around here called Backyard > Burgers and they> are very > good. They are across the > street from Krystal in Corinth,> Mississippi.> > > Kevin> > > > The closest Krystal is about one > and a half hours north of> here.> > > > > Honestly, I can 't tell the difference, as I have > always> eaten them many> months apart. Krystals are > good comfort food.> > > > In another OT..I found > a Tim Horton's in West> Virginia..I didn't know > they> were outside of Canada. Good Coffee and great > pastries> & donuts.."Mmmmm> Donuts"> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text > portions of this message have been removed][Non-text > portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Oct 10 14:58:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26725 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 21:58:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 21:58:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.28) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 21:58:37 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so259086ywe.65 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:58:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.10.7 with SMTP id n7mr2982594ybi.201.1223675917251; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.88? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm2193563ywn.0.2008.10.10.14.58.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <588697E4-825A-4C59-AA17-45761EB98706@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAF903B9F34B0B-E10-616@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:58:32 -0400 References: <8CAF903B9F34B0B-E10-616@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=g9jgLdfkevV7GBcT1fl60FrJ5sFGA7i3Cpca5hcMEGn6QKLp4z8I4VB0gbMYaQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 10, 2008, at 11:26 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I am working on an idea to reduce the modulation penalty. There is no modulation penalty with C-QUAM Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Oct 10 15:01:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76492 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 22:01:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 22:01:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.150) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 22:01:20 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so231499qwk.58 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:01:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.215.39.6 with SMTP id r6mr2828385qaj.25.1223676080133; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.88? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm2176677ywo.7.2008.10.10.15.01.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <64460A71-84AC-476F-B202-A13338775845@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAF905F8DCF743-E10-774@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:01:14 -0400 References: <560379.43983.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CAF7AA7B4E4E54-84-1E1D@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> <4AD4E232-FA2D-4E36-803D-180DC19F5B77@gmail.com> <8CAF905F8DCF743-E10-774@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Shakeys Pizza X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=Vnak_WGH6iRj9nMHEV4kLZI1VANqurazs3kg2rChSRFv6XSlNppd1gGMuWhKdg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 10, 2008, at 11:42 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Yes, I remember Shakey's.? Very good pizza.? I think they had some > kind of rule that the owner not only had to know how to make pizza, > but play ragtime piano as well. Our local Shakey's always had old Silent Movies playing. THAT was kewl. Possum From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 15:06:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67196 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 22:06:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 22:06:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.223) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 22:06:19 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2008 22:06:18 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.241] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2008 22:06:18 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2008 22:06:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 692558.66115.bm@omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 43199 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 22:06:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.185 with plain) by smtp117.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 22:06:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5UuR69sVM1lZ6rqy_av6EY.cmCpcdy88TgHZ.kmiD8aa_savbfB.9UpjIle4strCZUE.Dv0TiRPyn20wz_rU.p_Q5zOXb7rXwtIHij8bkvXGBNdHcF5FDFqAE5aYuGZY334skG7QsZINpcstb9aB16daBxDsWq1rElSyCw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <588697E4-825A-4C59-AA17-45761EB98706@gmail.com> References: <8CAF903B9F34B0B-E10-616@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> <588697E4-825A-4C59-AA17-45761EB98706@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7C930F91-12E2-4029-A553-150A757BED42@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:06:16 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.223 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=gGQvGqXRAvy3p48o3ktDzBdkGqX4nVwC9FwlhrNNDdaV7JLBCg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > There is no modulation penalty with C-QUAM Yes there is and I can prove it. Your signal does not go as far when you shut off C-QUAM. That is a etched in stone fact. Kevin From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 15:08:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3781 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 22:08:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 22:08:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.226) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 22:08:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2855 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2008 22:08:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9_kH5LgVM1mAzO0s4MaVUTcqzTOJsdLMmnCU8jGBYOL0nMJ4.FYknAIGeyRGH2GqU71C.lYm4r45NzfL5LSHB2fD5R5i6O3qAhWLggX3XzDT6_vh6E_wS82gLJH6oipb0ukbTDiX0LescqZkbrRK91DTqutZ_OWK_ewA8Fh_PoE2cRG_xZz1aLItClQ- X-Received: from [64.223.40.144] by web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:08:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:08:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7C930F91-12E2-4029-A553-150A757BED42@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <64848.1950.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=qs5KPUlwvuljXgBx67bp-rueQdvUNnNX4M9J7MkVrkK1jFuAj0qG X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wait, if you turn off C-QuAM then your signal area is reduced?=A0 Is that r= ight?=A0 Well, if that's the case, there's our reason for these stations to= resume broadcasting in C-QuAM! I hope this is true!=A0 Please, I need & want to know more!=A0 You have int= rigued me sir! 73, Jay --- On Fri, 10/10/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 6:06 PM =20=20=20=20 > There is no modulation penalty with C-QUAM Yes there is and I can prove it. Your signal does not go as far when you shut off C-QUAM. That is a etched in stone fact. Kevin =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 15:19:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60266 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 22:19:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 22:19:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.43) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 22:19:28 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n16.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2008 22:19:28 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.69] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2008 22:19:28 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2008 22:19:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 105427.99669.bm@omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 69771 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 22:19:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.185 with plain) by smtp127.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 22:19:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AxPleLoVM1kw61baxkhdoFqolaLQfKnfbbFugE_8UEEjMozViRLRpJoxzDTIirQoCOuiV0DKkEqN_WfU5TrSmCni.Q3pRXv0Kjxo8DN6CC8pHLumsySrdFAUmlKvXVmnK3i7NHh5TZ7oN1CvxhrIF9pVx0jO_vfYGqgjYw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <64848.1950.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <64848.1950.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <45919D68-6EC6-461A-93C4-06D4BDABBFC6@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:19:26 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=lsV3bOhL9fHIQrZZZ2_BtvOQReA-tifhMY0YIN1hCu-_ekgtkg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Wait, if you turn off C-QuAM then your signal area is reduced? Is > that right? Well, if that's the case, there's our reason for these > stations to resume broadcasting in C-QuAM! Ask all the 200 DXers on ABDX. They will tell you. I guarantee you that when WSM cut off C-QUAM I never heard them in Arizona again and I used to hear them about once a week until Watt Hairston cut it off. KAZM in Sedona dropped its C-QUAM and the signal dropped from S9 +20 to S9 at my home in Mesa, AZ. Even KFI and KNX dropped in Arizona when they cut off C-QUAM. I am here to tell you that when you cut off AM Stereo your signal SUCKS and doesn't go as far. If you want to f*ck up your station and cover less area, hey, cut off AM Stereo and be a dumb ass. Make your station sound worse and not cover as much area. I can't stop owners from being stupid. Even engineers that think this are stupid because the stereo thing they talk about is only on FM. FM stereo cuts signal coverage but AM stereo *INCREASES* it. That's a no $#!++er. Kevin Adamsville, TN From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Oct 10 15:51:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80829 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 22:51:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 22:51:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 22:51:57 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c57.43800c3b (37118) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:51:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA014-90fe48efdc83383; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:51:47 -0400 X-Received: from webmail-md05 (webmail-md05.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.143]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA016-5c4848efdc7a1d3; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:51:38 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:51:38 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <556583.90279.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.143) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:51:38 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF941E38B45CD-CAC-2091@webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=bxEOnv2P7_PqjDLWX93bSnd5ck3LLizPiy_hQBs3IVnSWMRXtNcGr3hidJxvM1xU X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jay, AM radio has to re-invent itself once more as it has done in the past.? There is a herd mentality coupled with short-sighted management.? Once a station in a market stubbles (and that's the word) on a format that works, there will be three or four who try to pile on it.? That's fragments the market which usually takes down the originator along with the "Me, too." stations. What is lacking in radio in general, and AM in particular, is creativity and?originality.? What is needed is someone to put entertainment back in radio.? Not an attempt to recreate a Golden Age that has come and gone, but something that is?fresh and entertaining.? I wish I was smart enough to know what that was.? It would have to be something that some one can't get on an Ipod or a dozen other sources on the dial.? Like Top 40, it may have to come from outside the broadcast industry. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. Mike -----Original Message----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:01 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? Yeah because either there's no activity here unless it's some blather about decoding chips or it goes into an all-out political war which has happened twice now we go to general chat.? As political as I am I've tried not to get lured in even though there have been times I've so badly wanted to.? It's all a waiting game.? I personally am waiting to own a station (which could still be years away).? So what am I supposed to talk about?? Mainly I've stayed in the background but have been with A.M.S. for 11 years now.? I've tried talking to these stations & they don't want to hear it.? These are independently-owned stations too! By the way, the actual number of worldwide A.M.S. stations are ~170.? I remember someone @ WNRI/1380-Woonsocket, R.I. telling me with a sneer there were only 19 stations left in stereo. Most A.M.s are now talk.? In the U.S., the corporate owners of the Class A stations have put in HD on those signals.? I'm gonna say it: in the last 10 years, Clear Channel under Randy Michaels was the biggest thorn in our side.? He was a Kahn fan.? I don't know why as I think that system sounded horrible from what I have heard.? Its audio response was terrible!? C-QuAM sounds so much better but Magnavox's system sounds even better than that.? If you're gonna be stereo, THAT'S what matters!? Not "can I be heard 1,000+ miles away?"? The local ad base is what supports these stations now, not the DX advertisers because there aren't really any. So now we wait it out.? With the economy weakening & with the group owners' & syndicators' stock values in the toilet in a lot of cases (Citadel, Westwood One, Radio One, etc.) it's only a matter of time before the station values get down to where a local rich person can afford it & THEN it still goes downward.? A correction of value.? ESPECIALLY on A.M.!? THAT'S when we strike.? So long as C.C., Citadel, Cox & their ilk still own these places stereo will be an afterthought.? It's still gonna be awhile before the Bill Normans of the world come out in droves.? Then there's still ANOTHER problem! A.M. listenership, I think, has started declining again with the transferring of talk & information to F.M. to keep THOSE stations afloat!? A.M. will in a few more years be listened to by less people than now.? Ethnic & religious programs will probably be on there for awhile but unless there's a marked change, not much else. A.M. stations will have to move back towards the hometown station style of broadcasting to keep an audience unless they're in major towns & even then it's not a sure thing. If A.M.S. in the future is to take off then it's going to need A. Good quality programming that people WANT to tune in to & can't get anywhere else, B. Probably to give away & sell some of the few A.M.S. radios left (Meduci could probably clean up, especially if those units were fixed-frequency!), C. Hope that instead of a stupid "Fairness" Doctorine (which, among other things, will only help keep the status quo in office by having, say the politicians or ideas attacked that are firmly entrenched to get MORE airtime!? They are already covered in the news & the internet sure as hell doesn't have a "Fairness" Doctorine), the F.C.C. realizes that Scott's 2001 proposal to amend the All-Channels Receiver Act so that any radio capable of picking up F.M. stereo ALSO has to pick up A.M. stereo should be enacted! Plus, you know what an article gaining attention on the ABDX site is?? Circuit City (big box electronics retailer) going under.? Not exactly tied into DXing but it's still a hot topic!? Plus, we're talking about food.? You all know that people in radio stations LOVE to eat & talk about it!? It's a hotter topic there than sex! Yes this is a dark time but aside from having a station or 2 added, this isn't quite the time to act either.? The winds may start to change. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Fri, 10/10/08, quadcom38 wrote: From: quadcom38 Subject: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 5:35 AM Hey all It's time for a swan song. I've been a devoted fan of AM stereo for over 20 years. I joined this NG because like many other contributors, and against the odds, I wanted to keep AM Stereo alive. Somehow, being part of a greater whole, I thought there might just be still some hope... Like many members of this NG, I have several AM Stereo receivers, and those of us who are members of this NG know that AM stereo technology was/is terrific. But - (and we all know this) for a multiplicity of reasons, AMS just did not "take-off". So now, no matter which of my AMS receivers I use, the Pilot light is no longer illuminated. Sure, I can hear AM stations in wideband, and here in Australia they can broadcast past 7KHz and still sound pretty good - the fact is that over the last 10 years, one by one, those pilots have been going out. And this NG seems to have descended into a general chat group about anything but AM Stereo. Someone recently mentioned that the number of AMS stations still broadcasting globally is probably less than 25; here in Australia, from nearly ALL AM stations being in stereo 10 years ago, the last true AMS stations number just 3: 2CA 1053, 2CC 1206, 4BC 1116. So what is the future for AMS? Bleak, I'd say. And the latest posts in the NG confirm this. Sorry guys, it's been great, but it should have been better. The group has lost focus, and for me it's time to say goodbye. Bad regulatory decisions, the power of big money, and lazy government has beaten us. And I'm talking about Australia! I don't hold out much hope for DAB+ either, but then I'm getting old. Cheers, and 73's Ex-Engineer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Oct 10 15:55:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50403 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 22:55:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 22:55:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 22:55:37 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cab.38c203df (37139) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:55:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.141]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA031-911348efdd4e20f; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:55:10 -0400 X-Received: from webmail-md05 (webmail-md05.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.143]) by smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA027-5c5148efdd4710a; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:55:03 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:55:03 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <680903.47058.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.143) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:55:03 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF9425DB0DEB2-CAC-20B7@webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=HBekMUZSzLdByhlX-a1Vl1Ty9NNXZ6XUqRuBRKS2Mrtdf5CK-4L2uUcpWLVN2hOE X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It sure does.?? There is an old saying to the effect that the high grass gets cut first.? Alot of the big dogs in radio are overloaded with debt.? Jay's wish to own a radio station may come sooner than he thinks. Mike I hope so too, but it sure looks like it is coming, doesn't it? G -----Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 3:54 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers I hope so too, but it sure looks like it is coming, doesn't it? G --- On Fri, 10/10/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 11:54 AM > In the wall art at a new White Castle in my old > neighborhood, they have three women at the counter from > 1930.? My parents who lived through the Great Depression > used to talk about going to White Castle in St. Louis on a > cheap date with money earned by collecting milk bottles. > > I hope the Great Depression doesn't make a comeback > because milk bottles aren't a plentiful now. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donn Tillman > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 6:33 am > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers > > > > > > > I've always been told by my parents and some of their > neighbors from Columbus (OH) that White Castle was founded > in Columbus and I know that, at least in Columbus the chain > goes back to prior to WWII. Will have to google White Castle > (did it, check below); I would hate to think that my parents > have been misinformed all these years. > > Donn > > At one time we had Royal Castle chain here, don't think > they were affiliated with White Castle, but they were very > much like White Castle; Royal Castle folded in the late > 1970's or early 80's. > > The results of my Google search: > > White Castle was founded in Wichita, Kansas in Sept 1921; > they moved their headquarters to Columbus, Oh in 1933, so > White Castle has been headquartered in Columbus for 75 > years. > > The State of Ohio website even has a section on White > Castle in it's historical archives. > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: mjgrant@aol.comDate: > Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:15:18 -0400Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > > I think Indianapolis is the home of White Castle.? In the > new White Castle they built in my old neighborhood, the wall > art is pictures from White Castle's past.? One is from > Detroit.What is Big Boy?? I thought there was only one chain > and it literally had a big boy out front.? Shoney?? Speaking > of burgers, I understand the person who disclosed the > "secret sauce" on Big Mac's was just Thousand > Island salad dressing is down at Gitmo being > waterboarded.Mike-----Original Message-----From: george > russell To: > amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comSent: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 9:19 > pmSubject: RE: {AMSF} BurgersOh yeah, Tim Hortons are all > over, especially here in Michigan. We must have dozens just > in the Metro Detroit area alone, TWO within walking distance > of me.As for Burgers, best I ever had was Frisch's Big > Boy in Ohio. We have Elias Bros. Big Boy in Michigan, but > those dufuses put thousand island dressing on instead of > tarter sauce. I have to specify a "Buckeye Big > Boy", or explain the RIGHT way to make one, hah-hah! > G--- On Sun, 9/28/08, J Gualda Q Media > wrote:> From: J Gualda Q > Media > Subject: RE: {AMSF} > Burgers> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com> Date: > Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:49 PM> They don't have > White Castle around here in West> Tennessee. The > > closest thing is 30 miles away and its Krystal. There is > a> regional > burger joint around here called Backyard > Burgers and they> are very > good. They are across the > street from Krystal in Corinth,> Mississippi.> > > Kevin> > > > The closest Krystal is about one > and a half hours north of> here.> > > > > Honestly, I can 't tell the difference, as I have > always> eaten them many> months apart. Krystals are > good comfort food.> > > > In another OT..I found > a Tim Horton's in West> Virginia..I didn't know > they> were outside of Canada. Good Coffee and great > pastries> & donuts.."Mmmmm> Donuts"> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text > portions of this message have been removed][Non-text > portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Oct 10 15:56:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20363 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 22:56:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 22:56:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 22:56:24 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c27.4a2e266a (34993) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:56:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB016-88b148efdd8f1a2; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:56:15 -0400 X-Received: from webmail-md05 (webmail-md05.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.143]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA021-5bb248efdd8c10a; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:56:12 -0400 References: <8CAF903B9F34B0B-E10-616@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> <588697E4-825A-4C59-AA17-45761EB98706@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:56:12 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <588697E4-825A-4C59-AA17-45761EB98706@gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.143) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:56:12 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF9428725386F-CAC-20C4@webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=H2UiH0bLPXvhpY7pkeO1aCasHOaUQhpJOu-ZBD6vw4IKXdD3yx1YQyhOoj0XPyUX X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is no modulation penalty with C-QUAM Actually there is.? How much can you modulate a left or right only signal? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 4:58 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? On Oct 10, 2008, at 11:26 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I am working on an idea to reduce the modulation penalty. There is no modulation penalty with C-QUAM Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Oct 10 16:07:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67917 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 23:07:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 23:07:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 23:07:08 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c76.33e0d76f (34933) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:07:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA046-887548efe018c8; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:07:04 -0400 X-Received: from webmail-md05 (webmail-md05.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.143]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA032-5bbb48efe011227; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:06:57 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:06:57 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <64848.1950.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.143) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:06:57 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF944078ADE96-CAC-2112@webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Ug8W60GAssip2fRmtIev7i-wuqRo6603GZGhCuhtOPVVzwCXKnlszUDCb4w_kOUO X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wait, if you turn off C-QuAM then your signal area is reduced?? Is that right?? Well, if that's the case, there's our reason for these stations to resume broadcasting in C-QuAM! I hope this is true!? Please, I need & want to know more!? You have intrigued me sir! I think he means in Australia.? Just like the a toilet flushes in opposite direction, C-QUAM goes further in the Land Down Under than regular AM.? I think that fact was stated in one of the Crocodile Dundee movies.? Serious, so long as there is no *stereo content*, there is no difference in the amount of carrier power or significant difference in sideband power.? The 5% phase modulation of carrier with the 25 hz pilot tone produces some low level sidebands, but these no materials rob power from the regular AM sidebands. My concept was to build a limiter that monitors phase modulation and as the phase modulation approaches 100%, incrementally decreases separation. Mike -----Original Message----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 5:08 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? Wait, if you turn off C-QuAM then your signal area is reduced?? Is that right?? Well, if that's the case, there's our reason for these stations to resume broadcasting in C-QuAM! I hope this is true!? Please, I need & want to know more!? You have intrigued me sir! 73, Jay --- On Fri, 10/10/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 6:06 PM > There is no modulation penalty with C-QUAM Yes there is and I can prove it. Your signal does not go as far when you shut off C-QUAM. That is a etched in stone fact. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 16:09:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42951 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 23:09:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 23:09:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 23:09:04 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2008 23:09:04 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.251] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2008 23:09:04 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2008 23:09:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 177374.35284.bm@omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 9258 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 23:09:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.185 with plain) by smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 23:09:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gutT_JgVM1m7fwtBV9HJZ58J0YLor40vVn1iJ4MUP0CF2_irusIE_2IudTYFrA7_8YVt5Q91MOM5ZV0XwyPyBzQ659x0Nbt_MrvhHoD1e7z7f0qzgMeIruVgUKPEJKOPCgbwqk7ldWDLDTX7AdDJuKpSXPvMZLu1VwEa0A-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <8CAF9428725386F-CAC-20C4@webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAF903B9F34B0B-E10-616@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> <588697E4-825A-4C59-AA17-45761EB98706@gmail.com> <8CAF9428725386F-CAC-20C4@webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <81A4A194-AA73-4628-8460-95D94D84BBB6@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:09:01 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=tnhu7mm9pyoR8GuVA-I0SU8Fs0hUUI1_1LGOZfKyLSD5H-CjHg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Actually there is.? How much can you modulate a left or right only > signal? Believe what you want. I have 200 people that will tell you from empirical evidence that your signal does not travel as far and sounds worse when you cut off C-QUAM. I am an engineer. A real one, not a radio station operator. My engineering license came from California and it is number 152370 and it expires 1/2013, I can tell you that you are not right. FM has that issue, C-QUAM does not. FM range drops when you have stereo. That is a stone cold fact. AM Stereo really does make you sound better and your signal goes farther. That is a stone cold fact also. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Oct 10 16:10:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74250 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 23:10:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 23:10:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.189) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 23:10:44 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k32so548842rnd.7 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:10:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.82.13 with SMTP id j13mr3095886ybl.149.1223680244210; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.88? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm2254779ywf.2.2008.10.10.16.10.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAF9428725386F-CAC-20C4@webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:10:40 -0400 References: <8CAF903B9F34B0B-E10-616@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> <588697E4-825A-4C59-AA17-45761EB98706@gmail.com> <8CAF9428725386F-CAC-20C4@webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=3pQLJFJmItvsWe3VTF9BnoZebBVqwgdurCAgCZGMuWNBx2qjyFhx1vexg9_e5A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 10, 2008, at 6:56 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Actually there is.? How much can you modulate a left or right only > signal You are limited to 99% Phase modulation, but you can still Amplitude Modulate the signal to the legal Limit (125% Positive). Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Oct 10 16:13:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13152 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 23:13:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 23:13:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.153) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 23:13:24 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so331714yxp.36 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:13:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.98.18 with SMTP id v18mr3078148ybb.232.1223680404120; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.88? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm2249288ywo.7.2008.10.10.16.13.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6E83BE0A-692D-4145-9A79-AE7D066644C1@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAF944078ADE96-CAC-2112@webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:13:20 -0400 References: <8CAF944078ADE96-CAC-2112@webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=_ZgbeIMoTfYCtPaew50rEEgprRGQOUwziVmGXHUVcgryie23lFUQsUQ5ZcnQXw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 10, 2008, at 7:06 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > My concept was to build a limiter that monitors phase modulation and > as the phase modulation approaches 100%, incrementally decreases > separation. It is called a CRL Amigo. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 16:22:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95497 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 23:22:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 23:22:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.43) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 23:22:09 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n16.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2008 23:22:09 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.253] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2008 23:22:09 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2008 23:22:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 395523.20596.bm@omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 12164 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 23:22:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.185 with plain) by smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 23:22:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: huUUdhIVM1nFNCRZT3qWDS4.d2fAPPEpy4gUC_En2PCmDP.TqEVOPH9ROXClqpGwpS_eKlF6mSbm6mxrwDHurl2F.CEhkonJ9ZCWviEvHb0Kf0GKYbOommk8g9rMR1OiEJnIuEj1S5DnoRN2d.hc1dug2NUjMrv8UPTtVg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <8CAF903B9F34B0B-E10-616@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> <588697E4-825A-4C59-AA17-45761EB98706@gmail.com> <8CAF9428725386F-CAC-20C4@webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:22:07 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=8wzdgpbNHV91C4Z8dn_p5Lzh5KG-5u_JZ77GuvYFVUjgcCPaIA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla And that is what makes the signal go farther. Kevin On Oct 10, 2008, at 6:10 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > You are limited to 99% Phase modulation, but you can still Amplitude > Modulate the signal to the legal Limit (125% Positive). From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Oct 10 16:23:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68357 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 23:23:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 23:23:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 23:23:54 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c5c.397d02f9 (37061) for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:23:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB047-90c548efe40310; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:23:47 -0400 X-Received: from webmail-md05 (webmail-md05.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.143]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA026-5bb748efe3fb17e; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:23:39 -0400 References: <8CAF944078ADE96-CAC-2112@webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com> <6E83BE0A-692D-4145-9A79-AE7D066644C1@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:23:39 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <6E83BE0A-692D-4145-9A79-AE7D066644C1@gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.143) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:23:39 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAF9465CBC237D-CAC-21C6@webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=PKkaE0LnZRHx3wEKQUMxmccvrZ2YeqpizmCZopFr2ZwbwgJW4bv0brC_j0NuID-G X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow.? They stole my idea.? I suppose it is back to finding someone interested in my intermittent windshield wiper idea. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 6:13 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? On Oct 10, 2008, at 7:06 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > My concept was to build a limiter that monitors phase modulation and > as the phase modulation approaches 100%, incrementally decreases > separation. It is called a CRL Amigo. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Oct 10 16:24:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14130 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 23:24:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 23:24:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.187) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 23:24:37 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j66so510632rne.9 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:24:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.108.15 with SMTP id k15mr3133188ybm.53.1223681076891; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.88? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm2269978ywc.9.2008.10.10.16.24.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5268FE9F-FAED-4015-B1EA-A437FE1A9997@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <81A4A194-AA73-4628-8460-95D94D84BBB6@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:24:32 -0400 References: <8CAF903B9F34B0B-E10-616@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> <588697E4-825A-4C59-AA17-45761EB98706@gmail.com> <8CAF9428725386F-CAC-20C4@webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com> <81A4A194-AA73-4628-8460-95D94D84BBB6@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=90PSY5WM7ma4kA_2ofQmNpQQD12_juRwH4mT2RCJPzkASHjcOHvAnybLjIhi8g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 10, 2008, at 7:09 PM, kevin redding wrote: > AM Stereo really does make you sound better and your signal goes > farther. That is a stone cold fact also. I too have noticed this effect. Do you think this is due to the lower IQM when using the C-QUAM generator rather than the transmitter's built in Oscillator? Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 16:25:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94237 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 23:25:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 23:25:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 23:25:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49895 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2008 23:25:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BV4KidMVM1nN4kM9prQdvGKeHAMpmrxWKZ_qIU58ARIL5b9Ywdv5XntZ.C_Eq55Sr2Kf3rLn1M5B0E4kmvhRM28n8V_VE5QVKb_FeaymAAB2AUZdt3B3WDX2mfYB1zgcelTdsKnauHAb1XOUTdGKtihiBLLp7NBBYLAzU0Fe0y5xlA8gVVO9F6_8wfdL X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:25:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:25:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAF944078ADE96-CAC-2112@webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <112815.47706.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=3sQ13gS75CO94Z6pbSkN5UrjrWiC9-fxC0WIokDKdGDUHg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Mike, I believe the Orban made for AM Stereo does just that, but I could be mistaken...I remember reading that somewhere, though. G --- On Fri, 10/10/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 7:06 PM > Wait, if you turn off C-QuAM then your signal area is > reduced?? Is that right?? Well, if that's the case, > there's our reason for these stations to resume > broadcasting in C-QuAM! > > I hope this is true!? Please, I need & want to know > more!? You have intrigued me sir! > > > I think he means in Australia.? Just like the a toilet > flushes in opposite direction, C-QUAM goes further in the > Land Down Under than regular AM.? I think that fact was > stated in one of the Crocodile Dundee movies.? > > Serious, so long as there is no *stereo content*, there is > no difference in the amount of carrier power or significant > difference in sideband power.? The 5% phase modulation of > carrier with the 25 hz pilot tone produces some low level > sidebands, but these no materials rob power from the regular > AM sidebands. > > My concept was to build a limiter that monitors phase > modulation and as the phase modulation approaches 100%, > incrementally decreases separation. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: JNR > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 5:08 pm > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? > > > > > > > Wait, if you turn off C-QuAM then your signal area is > reduced?? Is that right?? Well, if that's the case, > there's our reason for these stations to resume > broadcasting in C-QuAM! > > I hope this is true!? Please, I need & want to know > more!? You have intrigued me sir! > > 73, > Jay > > --- On Fri, 10/10/08, kevin redding > wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 6:06 PM > > > There is no modulation penalty with C-QUAM > > Yes there is and I can prove it. > > Your signal does not go as far when you shut off C-QUAM. > > That is a etched in stone fact. > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 16:54:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85520 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2008 23:54:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2008 23:54:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2008 23:54:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 70090 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2008 23:54:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wXsY_gcVM1kL.n8Mz5RkXx1SNNWsoKw3g3ChhzQFefMeIlO2DXbLE7_JP0r1xJnvYpmok50BMokmCvjhRC5fbdFUc7p6mwamDCClkzUpgyNdRsxjynikwcCMjR6xxemLrbJKYS.Kn4BnjIGY3Xqqn4.w9ue8Yap7A.WgcxCDrbLljav7o48a.CcPnmkx X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:54:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:54:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5268FE9F-FAED-4015-B1EA-A437FE1A9997@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <356344.69759.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=u_FjEDot3KOQaa_S7L9gTPyGdS862HhMNYBmPBYBevZzFg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Here's how I see it, tell me where I am wrong, please... ALL AM Stereo systems involve SOME form of phase modulation, either direct as in PMX or incidental as in C-QUAM or the others. THEORETICALLY, phase modulation can be pushed to 99% (something like 57 degrees?), BUT the problem lies in the RECEIVER, assuming the usual envelope detector is involved anywhere. Also, on negative going modulation peaks, if the carrier goes to 0 power ("pinches off"), there IS NO phase modulation at that instant, because there is NOTHING to modulate. This can result in a "clicking" sound in the L-R component, so it is best to limit the negative peaks to within a few percent of "pinch off". However, due to the fact that most receivers still insist on using envelope detectors, it is probably wise to limit the negative peaks even in mono, to make up for the unfortunate characteristics of diodes used as detectors. I recall somebody on this forum stating that some stations do indeed do this, paying a SLIGHT decibel penalty as a trade-off for better audio on most receivers. It would all be a lot easier if ALL radios used a synchronous detector! Then, the stations could generate the sidebands in a balanced modulator, and add just enough carrier to insure that the synchro can stay locked up...but I'm dreaming of course :>) As for going to 125% on upward peaks, seems to me that is not much of an issue anymore, since almost all processors now have phase-scramblers in them, which wipes out the asymmetry that made going over the top possible. Of course, you could FORCE the top peaks to 125%, by distorting the audio so that it is again asymmetrical, but how would that SOUND? I'm not an engineer (unless I hit the lotto and buy an SD-60 and a lot of track, hah-hah!) I'm just a guy who reads a LOT and likes to keep learning, so please find the holes in the above and shoot them down for me! Thanks... George --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 7:24 PM > On Oct 10, 2008, at 7:09 PM, kevin redding wrote: > > > AM Stereo really does make you sound better and your > signal goes > > farther. That is a stone cold fact also. > > I too have noticed this effect. Do you think this is due to > the lower > IQM when using the C-QUAM generator rather than the > transmitter's > built in Oscillator? > > Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Oct 10 17:03:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80486 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 00:03:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2008 00:03:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.155) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 00:03:08 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so252969ywr.62 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:03:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.150.13 with SMTP id c13mr3200689ybo.5.1223683388379; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.88? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm2302820ywl.4.2008.10.10.17.03.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <356344.69759.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:03:04 -0400 References: <356344.69759.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=8mVm0ARrOP2V0nEhn8SlVlYf8KhfAm08bgEPtgirMcvd1SQO5zBgjT_efa-OfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 10, 2008, at 7:54 PM, george russell wrote: > Of course, you could FORCE the top peaks to 125%, by distorting the > audio so that it is again asymmetrical, but how would that SOUND? That is exactly what most modern AM broadcast Audio Processors do! Possum From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Oct 10 17:37:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24377 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 00:37:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2008 00:37:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 00:37:25 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.78] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081010193712100891700010.0) with SMTP id <20081010193712100891700010> for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:37:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <012a01c92b3a$6f65a640$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <8CAF904D585E94B-E10-6C3@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:37:12 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=yOftDUn9qDSlRfua5VHTddnKzTtO8SFedYmUv0Ijysc8LquoJ_1N X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1690 was never stereo. I think WLS is about it anymore. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I know what you mean about Greek-Americans.? Burgers and Gyro!? Baklava.? Lots of those places in Chicago, which has at least one extended band station near the top of the dial.?? Anyone?know if it is AMS or does WLS has a monopoly? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 17:42:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52285 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 00:42:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2008 00:42:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.220) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 00:42:27 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2008 00:42:17 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.66] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2008 00:42:27 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2008 00:42:27 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 236738.59872.bm@omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 82271 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 00:42:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.185 with plain) by smtp121.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 00:42:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BxFpGQIVM1kAac2yDR5DH6dE2y70fsz4AqKEQwSR_vWNoL10tniDvu0I9EbTaqjGW3l8S9XtbirFzWYdFxfnq5sKByqpZ3AZvKEHWSJBab169E93zdusK8jS1FPPXa8AkcWnahcEcnCRH.1SzADe.bUODxy0AdOs_zVrqQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <5268FE9F-FAED-4015-B1EA-A437FE1A9997@gmail.com> References: <8CAF903B9F34B0B-E10-616@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> <588697E4-825A-4C59-AA17-45761EB98706@gmail.com> <8CAF9428725386F-CAC-20C4@webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com> <81A4A194-AA73-4628-8460-95D94D84BBB6@yahoo.com> <5268FE9F-FAED-4015-B1EA-A437FE1A9997@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <219B2539-A583-435D-8ABC-26759258E446@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:42:24 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=XrxlCXPWw5jThYGU0BD4dFYfhM9XSfwfH72HWQyJa_61AjjFhQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I too have noticed this effect. Do you think this is due to the lower > IQM when using the C-QUAM generator rather than the transmitter's > built in Oscillator? Dunno about IQM. Never heard of it before. I am not a radio engineer. I do know that if you shut off C-QUAM your station is not heard as far as when its straight mono. I believe that its the additional +125 modulation that makes it punch through a lot of mess. I can't answer the question about IQM, sorry. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 17:44:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23224 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 00:44:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2008 00:44:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 00:44:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9025 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Oct 2008 00:44:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Wt9JwCUVM1mOcyNLOKV8cO9TpZiuqI5b4cLuGXZttf6ylp.5jrZVRBARB5kFSPLSnQ3QJAb_TJwm8iRaclfrlLG9RA5evQb1OkEi7Z7maRvZDlSH_lAcGuPix3FXKxG3jIYwVyatuwbyrE3rv2.dgvf34P.Pug47MnlX0IsowGmeFD7FypOhkrcR9mJT X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:44:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:44:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <219B2539-A583-435D-8ABC-26759258E446@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <702522.8687.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Ayb_wdt0AB36isaPXu2c09dZ6U1j1m5UDrwyjwZPiQTzlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Isn't IQM Incidental Quadrature Modulation? G --- On Fri, 10/10/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 8:42 PM > > I too have noticed this effect. Do you think this is > due to the lower > > IQM when using the C-QUAM generator rather than the > transmitter's > > built in Oscillator? > > Dunno about IQM. Never heard of it before. > > I am not a radio engineer. > > I do know that if you shut off C-QUAM your station is not > heard as > far as when its straight mono. I believe that its the > additional +125 > modulation that makes it punch through a lot of mess. I > can't answer > the question about IQM, sorry. > > Kevin From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Oct 10 18:05:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95499 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 01:05:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2008 01:05:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 01:05:34 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.78] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081010200510100945900010.0) with SMTP id <20081010200510100945900010> for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:05:10 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <013601c92b3e$579c5640$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <556583.90279.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:05:10 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=7Czq1hoOYEQJ1yeO3vtFqm2N43tWK-5vbmT-YtozvL3E2IwtZR4v X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stocks of a lot of these radio companies are below $1 a share. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if there's a big sell off. Even before now the bigger groups have been selling stations in smaller markets, and I'm not just talking some podunk towns in the middle of Montana, but even markets with some notoriety such as Austin-Albert Lea MN, home of Hormel which makes Spam. Wish I could have bought 970 down there when it was available. They've got great coverage of most of south central and SE MN. As for talk radio, considering what's happening with the latest generation of satellite receivers, we may see stereo talk networks coming. When we got our Media Access eXchange receiver, I commented to someone at Westwood how much I liked getting away from the dual mono of the Starguides and suggested that talk networks should go stereo for their bumper music, especially since a lot of FMs were going talk, and the gal I talked to agreed it was a possibility. Of course I had an ulterior motive in that it would take away the AM excuse to go mono. BTW- I've wired my MAX and XDS receivers full stereo. If the program is mono it's merely duplicated in both channels. My biggest sticking point in getting at least ONE of my stations stereo is lack of cards 5, 9 and 10 for my 9100B. 5 is a duplicate of 4, but 9 and 10 aren't common. Would love to get a hold of a set just to take pictures and make physical measurements so I could eventually copy them. Even with 9100s all the way around I'd still need to upgrade my T-1 STL to the other transmitter site to get those two stereo. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 11:01 AM Most A.M.s are now talk. In the U.S., the corporate owners of the Class A stations have put in HD on those signals. I'm gonna say it: in the last 10 years, Clear Channel under Randy Michaels was the biggest thorn in our side. He was a Kahn fan. I don't know why as I think that system sounded horrible from what I have heard. Its audio response was terrible! C-QuAM sounds so much better but Magnavox's system sounds even better than that. If you're gonna be stereo, THAT'S what matters! Not "can I be heard 1,000+ miles away?" The local ad base is what supports these stations now, not the DX advertisers because there aren't really any. So now we wait it out. With the economy weakening & with the group owners' & syndicators' stock values in the toilet in a lot of cases (Citadel, Westwood One, Radio One, etc.) it's only a matter of time before the station values get down to where a local rich person can afford it & THEN it still goes downward. A correction of value. ESPECIALLY on A.M.! THAT'S when we strike. So long as C.C., Citadel, Cox & their ilk still own these places stereo will be an afterthought. It's still gonna be awhile before the Bill Normans of the world come out in droves. Then there's still ANOTHER problem! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 19:44:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17674 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 02:44:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2008 02:44:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n33.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.25) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 02:44:00 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n33.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2008 02:44:00 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.67] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2008 02:44:00 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp419.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2008 02:43:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 986016.83517.bm@omp419.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 98322 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 02:43:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.185 with plain) by smtp117.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 02:43:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Yz6aQDsVM1nZTvYSpyC_oBItAUnXqB8IhWNJqsDsmPpVrC.Em_w7Wx2gWEoMaM8WkSk5jtgKHm5EBj8.0Q6z9yRe0uzPUaYvL0rxO3RQTj2EhHv4uBr3zsiuVl7ng5A3N6Of49YGEPaJxQIv07SJ.OctNzLAdUDGubfFuw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <013601c92b3e$579c5640$d503fea9@stodd> References: <556583.90279.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <013601c92b3e$579c5640$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <76E01BB5-6050-4E75-88B2-9236DE98A069@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:43:57 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=litGzAbDCaD1uItvHL2quKdBSUbjbKYrcU7h-Z8JDhrWFF3kbw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > My biggest sticking point in getting at least ONE of my stations > stereo is lack of cards 5, 9 and 10 for my 9100B. + Todd, We may not agree on politics, but I have to give one thing to you, if you got a station of your own, you would have C-QUAM. Kevin From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 19:47:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91448 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 02:47:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2008 02:47:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.187) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 02:47:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2008 02:47:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2008 02:47:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:47:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <219B2539-A583-435D-8ABC-26759258E446@yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.61.234 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=w-Pf3AbwIZDuz5dpeBb0GHUb0kgmvn-CdoEa1C84n6IwA7aSww X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > > > I too have noticed this effect. Do you think this is due to the=20 lower > > IQM when using the C-QUAM generator rather than the transmitter's > > built in Oscillator? >=20 > Dunno about IQM. Never heard of it before. >=20 > I am not a radio engineer. >=20 > I do know that if you shut off C-QUAM your station is not heard=20 as=20=20 > far as when its straight mono. I believe that its the additional=20 +125=20=20 > modulation that makes it punch through a lot of mess. I can't=20 answer=20=20 > the question about IQM, sorry. >=20 > Kevin > I'm not a engineer, but I think there is another reason to=20 this "rare" behaviour: A C-QUAM AM Stereo signal is a dual signal: the standard AM=20 (envelope modulation) and the additional QUAM (quadrature=20 modulation) signal. To any envelope only detector (the standard AM mono receiver), there=20 is no any difference because it only can "see" the envelope=20 information BUT, ACTUALLY, THIS IS A VECTOR ADDITION FROM I=20 (envelope) and Q (quadrature) SIGNALS (even when the mono receiver=20 can't see the Q signal). So, there is more room, better signal to noise ratio, in the border=20 coverage area. Unfortunately, any C-QUAM receiver has a kind of "quality signal=20 test" which cut the stereo when the signal is "less than perfect".=20 So, I'm not sure if this "rare" bevahiour is really useful in all=20 cases. If we use an audio processor with the assymetry (125% positive peaks=20 and 99% negative peaks) system... Why there is no receivers with the=20 inverse effect? Answer: because the same reason the AMS is almost dead: THERE WAS/IS=20 A DARK, UNDERGROUND, MALICIOUS, EVIL, MURDEROUS CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE=20 AM SYSTEM AT ALL!!! Nobody invest in new tricks and technologies to the AM. Today you can buy a lot of electronic audio devices... WITHOUT AM!!!=20 Even more, a lot without radio at all. Most of people thinks: The AM is a living dead, a zombi. And when we=20 ask them why, they always say: "because it sounds bad, so bad". And there is a general sense that the AM system can not sound=20 better, BECAUSE THERE IS NO GOOD AM RECEIVERS. And I wonder: IS THERE SOME TECHNICAL REASON BECAUSE THE AM RADIO=20 SOUNDS BAD? And I know what will be the general answer: YES!!! But I know it=20 isn't the truth. THERE WASN'T/ISN'T/WON'T BE A TECHNICAL REASON TO THE BAD AM SOUND!!! The only one reason is: the lack of... interesting? dedication?=20 devotion? love? from the AM receiver makers (and I guess there is=20 some fault from the AM broadcasters world, too). That's all folks. However... LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 20:00:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94953 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 03:00:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2008 03:00:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.125.177) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 03:00:57 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n12.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2008 03:00:56 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.72] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2008 03:00:56 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2008 03:00:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 749746.98540.bm@omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 9693 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 03:00:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.185 with plain) by smtp116.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 03:00:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ubJXitYVM1lNzfSPQZWHVBDq43cP9yXdrB8.9B4AepA8lW53VMS29HrGQz0r9dMAX7A_0Pga9WM8Yos1wsFFU.8bQxeo0fqTofwYrMoDGYFYma.hIjaO9AfyDp_1mwKghsN1FvxUXofj0I86VaPmG0jyI2aAiKfZ31ahuA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <65E647B1-04EA-4ABF-808E-C4AA5B0C0016@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:00:54 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.125.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Lqx4iM7Apq2_dvjTREZ0Hd9PLper7jRkXAxjKQri1qlx3tbZfg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > THERE WASN'T/ISN'T/WON'T BE A TECHNICAL REASON TO THE BAD AM SOUND!!! There are two reasons AM sounds bad. 1. Transmitters send narrow 5 kHz signals and receivers are too narrow and about 5 kHz wide. That sounds like a telephone. Bad. 2. AM picks up every noise on earth and carries it along on the carrier. You can do something about #1. You can't do anything about #2. If you have an old receiver and the station is sending the full 10 kHz, you are in for a treat. There is nothing that says you couldn't send a 20 kHz wide AM signal other than the FCC laws and regs here in the USA. It would sound fantastic. It still would have problems though with electric motors, lightning, spark plugs, fluorescent lighting, etc... Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 20:05:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6921 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 03:05:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2008 03:05:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.144) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 03:05:06 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2008 03:05:05 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.253] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2008 03:05:05 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2008 03:05:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 737435.11950.bm@omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 73918 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 03:05:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.185 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 03:05:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qP6Ed0IVM1mK.dRFSlsujRFlTe0nv0YOFgf81fEXFyqONUwgK4fn4zxzokCERGh.FmbaovVZmAjShQWLf5dVCzPaSjo33LtZ_aPMFYtIdPefWsFnhfy.WZu62xcAys_zg7yxofcDWOtBKtoeSarQhezEOFfd02CFWHDf7A-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:05:03 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Perfect $tereo heard on 840 kHz tonight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=obLRO_trla3hj8sK5Tukc8jiFdZAGI_W8Di2F2VmubYROf8G2A X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Heard on a Sangean HDR-1 and RS loop: 840 WHAS Louisville, KY 1850 HD, stereo, and ad for Kroger before UL Cardinals FB game. Beautiful stereo sound, solid perfect for about 25 minutes and putting in a 33.6 dB signal. Flawless, no noise, no flutter, no fade, just like local. Kevin Adamsville, TN From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 21:22:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 670 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 04:22:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2008 04:22:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 04:22:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49792 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Oct 2008 04:22:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BDBSgjYVM1nEh.9ew3.06.3Ddj49kPlFamZGHk190h1IRMasfjPYhP_8zru8I1Ot_w-- X-Received: from [64.223.40.144] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:22:33 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:22:33 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAF9425DB0DEB2-CAC-20B7@webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <920018.49742.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=FUT2l3IBQ68HhsCqNXbJ7QQqeJCowy7GPSn2uoWWjunbziI0AFrB X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well I have come into 2 equipment racks!=A0 That's closer to the dream stil= l!=A0 Maybe a stereo 80 board too if I'm not too much of a pest! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Fri, 10/10/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 6:55 PM =20=20=20=20 It sure does.?? There is an old saying to the effect that the h= igh grass gets cut first.? Alot of the big dogs in radio are overloaded wit= h debt.? Jay's wish to own a radio station may come sooner than he thinks. Mike I hope so too, but it sure looks like it is coming, doesn't it? G -----Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 3:54 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers I hope so too, but it sure looks like it is coming, doesn't it? G --- On Fri, 10/10/08, mjgrant@aol. com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol. com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 11:54 AM > In the wall art at a new White Castle in my old > neighborhood, they have three women at the counter from > 1930.? My parents who lived through the Great Depression > used to talk about going to White Castle in St. Louis on a > cheap date with money earned by collecting milk bottles. >=20 > I hope the Great Depression doesn't make a comeback > because milk bottles aren't a plentiful now. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Donn Tillman > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 6:33 am > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I've always been told by my parents and some of their > neighbors from Columbus (OH) that White Castle was founded > in Columbus and I know that, at least in Columbus the chain > goes back to prior to WWII. Will have to google White Castle > (did it, check below); I would hate to think that my parents > have been misinformed all these years. >=20 > Donn >=20 > At one time we had Royal Castle chain here, don't think > they were affiliated with White Castle, but they were very > much like White Castle; Royal Castle folded in the late > 1970's or early 80's. >=20 > The results of my Google search: >=20 > White Castle was founded in Wichita, Kansas in Sept 1921; > they moved their headquarters to Columbus, Oh in 1933, so > White Castle has been headquartered in Columbus for 75 > years. >=20 > The State of Ohio website even has a section on White > Castle in it's historical archives. >=20 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. comFrom: mjgrant@aol. comDate: > Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:15:18 -0400Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers >=20 > I think Indianapolis is the home of White Castle.? In the > new White Castle they built in my old neighborhood, the wall > art is pictures from White Castle's past.? One is from > Detroit.What is Big Boy?? I thought there was only one chain > and it literally had a big boy out front.? Shoney?? Speaking > of burgers, I understand the person who disclosed the > "secret sauce" on Big Mac's was just Thousand > Island salad dressing is down at Gitmo being > waterboarded. Mike----- Original Message----- From: george > russell To: > amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 9:19 > pmSubject: RE: {AMSF} BurgersOh yeah, Tim Hortons are all > over, especially here in Michigan. We must have dozens just > in the Metro Detroit area alone, TWO within walking distance > of me.As for Burgers, best I ever had was Frisch's Big > Boy in Ohio. We have Elias Bros. Big Boy in Michigan, but > those dufuses put thousand island dressing on instead of > tarter sauce. I have to specify a "Buckeye Big > Boy", or explain the RIGHT way to make one, hah-hah! > G--- On Sun, 9/28/08, J Gualda Q Media > wrote:> From: J Gualda Q > Media > Subject: RE: {AMSF} > Burgers> To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com> Date: > Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:49 PM> They don't have > White Castle around here in West> Tennessee. The > > closest thing is 30 miles away and its Krystal. There is > a> regional > burger joint around here called Backyard > Burgers and they> are very > good. They are across the > street from Krystal in Corinth,> Mississippi. > > > Kevin> > > > The closest Krystal is about one > and a half hours north of> here.> > > > > Honestly, I can 't tell the difference, as I have > always> eaten them many> months apart. Krystals are > good comfort food.> > > > In another OT..I found > a Tim Horton's in West> Virginia..I didn't know > they> were outside of Canada. Good Coffee and great > pastries> & donuts.."Mmmmm> Donuts"> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text > portions of this message have been removed][Non- text > portions of this message have been removed]=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 21:47:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70737 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 04:47:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2008 04:47:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 04:47:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 67320 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Oct 2008 04:47:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: E9pW05AVM1kRfCRwt723n7Gch2adkPX.MxBE4keV4GbvOkPndssuggDkssXiDbjTg_L52vyhc6SJdGKscyFJqLV7D0mCGiXCnbarhsu34aJO1ZsZiLV6k_gwNBEuStRAjYLxrXUmSWwnjH0WzVkRlqcYRdNPj_wWFBvUfMc- X-Received: from [64.223.40.144] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:47:53 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:47:53 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <569579.66660.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Keep it up! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=RmuONpBbaAnMBr5aYmUg-O2Aczhpi60GCHo6PqlfZTD1Dzu3R3oL X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Keep up the board activity!=A0 Talk to you probably sometime Sunday! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From keith1226@yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 22:52:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14693 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 05:52:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2008 05:52:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.144) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 05:52:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82656 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Oct 2008 05:52:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LJj96LQVM1lKqWwUJL0.PH4zu6zCY8xZ5Jm3WYnEKq_6EHUcgyDETXufr37MAl_3X95zBrBqHdEamc64bXTNhuoA2nxmJiOYfJzEJ8VZW.f5sRlSlpGZVqnln1vu5kFi9T2Fd2FPPOACzSylzq17kECrm6GMyfpzL2Rky5mArZTAbezpgIOE8yGqIxg- X-Received: from [71.197.193.155] by web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:52:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:52:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <569579.66660.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <173885.82617.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Reply-To: keith1226@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Keep it up! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=xBsLmw7dYeYmoBYs_5MXXwVjOM9iOYaBha1mfrHlHU8muQyI X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 I'm not giving up on AM Stereo. I may be foolishly optimistic, but I think = there is still a (brief) window of opportunity for AMS to make a comeback. = Why?=20 North American broadcasters are pushing IBOC ("HD Radio") in a more or less= last-ditch attempt to keep the public's interest focused on terrestrial, o= ver-the-air broadcast radio in the face of all the new technologies that ar= e now challenging it (Web streaming, podcasts, satellite, etc.). But IBOC i= s a flawed system, as many have pointed out; the signal doesn't travel far = enough, it causes adjacent-channel interference, especially at night; even = when you can get it, it doesn't sound that much better than regular AM, and= on and on (the non-HD AM stations in my area actually sound better on my n= on-HD radios). FM is a different story; HD FM audio does sound better to my= ears, and the multicast channels are nice; for example I can now get BBC W= orld Service crystal-clear 24-7. You can also stream BBC online, but I thin= k they charge a fee).=20 We have hybrid cars now; what about a hybrid radio: HD on FM, AMS on AM?=20 Advantages for AM broadcasters would be: to be able to grab a larger audien= ce share by innovative programming in better audio (a variety of music, and= talk radio with different political points of view?) ; and to reach a larg= er audience via nighttime skywave that they can't reach with IBOC.=20 Somehow we have to bring the ideas and concerns of this group to a broader = audience. And we need to act soon before Wi-Fi radio in cars becomes widely= available. 73,=20 Keith B.=20 --- On Fri, 10/10/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: {AMSF} Keep it up! > To: "AMSF" > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 9:47 PM > Keep up the board activity!=A0 Talk to you probably sometime > Sunday! >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Oct 11 06:32:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79721 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 13:32:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2008 13:32:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.126.232) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 13:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2008 13:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.69] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2008 13:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2008 13:31:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 566518.44318.bm@omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 1727 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 13:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.185 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 13:31:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AhtcKswVM1lHJGTeS01B_OOl43BZN4mi3jJjzpwJsjmKnA4wjvMncvfkxbUVXYB7FfX3ZjZ54XJ8YTsaJt.0qJxpUr5lf0mXZ62dl8rUswh6V1SII2u5vhwbjaPs9DCRbZOoPqQ_7_N41irxcBEJyXJv_MnOPNMFV2ka.Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9E8E65CE-484F-4DDE-B72F-3E9E69984042@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:31:57 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.126.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Take these from the AM$ list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=iS-NuGzW33C_brRUn2F3eZUvIWNulZgk_xROgFJ-0cujZjglbQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Here's the sad list of stations no longer using AM stereo. 1340 WKOZ Kosciusko, MS - Mono 980 WYFN Nashville, TN - Mono 790 WMC Memphis, TN - Mono 1200 WAMB Nashville, TN - Mono 1320 WMSR Manchester, TN - Mono 1470 WVOL Berry Hill, TN - Mono Sorry for the bad news, Kevin Adamsville, TN From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Oct 11 07:22:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36791 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 14:22:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2008 14:22:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 14:22:21 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.40] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081011092209102926000010.0) with SMTP id <20081011092209102926000010> for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:22:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004f01c92bad$ae194cc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <173885.82617.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:22:09 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Keep it up! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=QEoVSV0lTN9mzlFCMrVkUDuYPeEqNFC5amHXt0wctbPst-HTAdO1 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone from the LA area tell me how KGIL is doing ratings-wise? They're one of the few stations I know of that alternates right and left view programs. Seems to me stations which try to mix the two never do as well as those with a consistent message, which is why I don't think the fairness doctrine will work as envisioned. Alternatively, I suppose the FCC could once again regulate content a la the Canadian CRTC and force a balance- so many stations with one point of view to match the number on the other side. I noticed Salem has launched a business radio format in Tampa, FL. Wonder if that's a plan B for their conservative talk stations should the fairness doctrine be resurrected? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: keith beesley To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com and talk radio with different political points of view?) --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Oct 11 07:30:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32021 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 14:30:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2008 14:30:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 14:30:04 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.40] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081011092940100697800010.0) with SMTP id <20081011092940100697800010> for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:29:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005301c92bae$bab68f00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <920018.49742.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:29:40 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: equipment for Jay- was, Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=z-92Vqt8w5t2uuufJV34Bn6Kw_fkl-S25Dz8bkfZ1n-v4RFtaoKR X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've got an Arrakis 2000 ST you can have for the price of shipping- board and power supply shipped separately. I've also got an eight pot stereo BE board I'll let you have too. If you absolutely have your heart set on a stereo 80 your best bet would be to sign up for some of the broadcaster message boards. Doubtless you'd be able to scare one up there. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 11:22 PM Well I have come into 2 equipment racks! That's closer to the dream still! Maybe a stereo 80 board too if I'm not too much of a pest! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Oct 11 10:06:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46688 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 17:05:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2008 17:05:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f20.google.com) (209.85.217.20) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 17:05:56 -0000 X-Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so2023726gxk.12 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:05:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.87.7 with SMTP id k7mr556384agb.20.1223744755822; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.107? (66-191-213-175.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm4011219agd.37.2008.10.11.10.05.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2F42FF4B-2C7B-4175-B049-7005CB1E2D51@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <219B2539-A583-435D-8ABC-26759258E446@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:15:18 -0400 References: <8CAF903B9F34B0B-E10-616@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> <588697E4-825A-4C59-AA17-45761EB98706@gmail.com> <8CAF9428725386F-CAC-20C4@webmail-md05.sysops.aol.com> <81A4A194-AA73-4628-8460-95D94D84BBB6@yahoo.com> <5268FE9F-FAED-4015-B1EA-A437FE1A9997@gmail.com> <219B2539-A583-435D-8ABC-26759258E446@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=S8fLNXMUh7NbLUlz_y8P85Lq_pb1q9SVU7XLZDY1SZlMVcwkCQgZpa55vy5a3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 10, 2008, at 8:42 PM, kevin redding wrote: > I believe that its the additional +125 modulation that makes it > punch through a lot of mess. Mono stations can also super modulate, so that isn't it. Possum From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Oct 11 10:06:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60418 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 17:06:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2008 17:06:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f18.google.com) (209.85.217.18) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 17:05:59 -0000 X-Received: by gxk11 with SMTP id 11so2001747gxk.4 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:05:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.90.4 with SMTP id n4mr3362973agb.30.1223744759252; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.107? (66-191-213-175.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm4011219agd.37.2008.10.11.10.05.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76E01BB5-6050-4E75-88B2-9236DE98A069@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:27:42 -0400 References: <556583.90279.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <013601c92b3e$579c5640$d503fea9@stodd> <76E01BB5-6050-4E75-88B2-9236DE98A069@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=kXqS0hixtsjkmU0XF0h4b_TQwsfisytqJNR8GDa8jvddFLRbCQ2ISIJOcAVxyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 > My biggest sticking point in getting at least ONE of my stations > stereo is lack of cards 5, 9 and 10 for my 9100B. + You should be able to get them from http://optimod.am/ Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Oct 11 10:06:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85206 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 17:05:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2008 17:05:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.190) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 17:05:57 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id v73so621842rnb.10 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:05:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.79.17 with SMTP id c17mr3372445agb.47.1223744757339; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.107? (66-191-213-175.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm4011219agd.37.2008.10.11.10.05.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <702522.8687.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:16:31 -0400 References: <702522.8687.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.190 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=kXqS0hixtsjkmU0XF0h4b_TQwsfisytqJNR8GDa8jvddFLRbCQ2ISIJOcAVxyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 10, 2008, at 8:44 PM, george russell wrote: > Isn't IQM Incidental Quadrature Modulation? Yes, it is also Incidental Phase Modulation Possum From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Oct 11 10:28:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67745 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 17:28:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2008 17:28:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.41) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 17:28:27 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n14.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2008 17:28:27 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.241] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2008 17:28:27 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2008 17:28:27 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 29154.18159.bm@omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 5586 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 17:28:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.185 with plain) by smtp123.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 17:28:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 413CMSQVM1lO8fLXgMzxnHokymdN6Lh61lrUWjCNEhC0rbinrxAgEYLQkw2uh89kHEEBxnVn1LQh9e5DvAxdByxEFQwlYbJnQdJb4jD2ePvLYNHQWfUxwtF6H2VrK_65shKKk9XL3RsKOVQfQZLsoaTrlkxDuQyaQY3FgQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <702522.8687.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <235C2507-DD07-417D-BB35-DB485599C983@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:28:24 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=GOoSy_4N_cRMsXbtS70a2AsGBUB0P9FlrXhJbW6O9ZPsqI8OkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Oct 11, 2008, at 9:16 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > Yes, it is also Incidental Phase Modulation Hey, I know this term! Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Oct 11 10:32:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86943 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2008 17:32:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2008 17:32:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f16.google.com) (209.85.217.16) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2008 17:32:46 -0000 X-Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so2064266gxk.2 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:32:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.115.17 with SMTP id n17mr3389433agc.100.1223746365774; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.107? (66-191-213-175.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 18sm4121152agb.12.2008.10.11.10.32.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <0CE0776F-E2E1-49C2-932A-0F7DD5CFC779@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <235C2507-DD07-417D-BB35-DB485599C983@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:32:42 -0400 References: <702522.8687.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <235C2507-DD07-417D-BB35-DB485599C983@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=zfCsMwy7hBmamrLk0-IWDnUQ9uocdVLX23meUx-OzsUq8XFyBrrH8XN8jhE3IA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 11, 2008, at 1:28 PM, kevin redding wrote: > Hey, I know this term! Now tell us how to get the IQM out of a Gates Vanguard 1 Transmitter and you will win the Chocolate Chip Cookie! Kevin From ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 05:04:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45531 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 12:04:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 12:04:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.174) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 12:04:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2008 12:04:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2008 12:04:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:04:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0CE0776F-E2E1-49C2-932A-0F7DD5CFC779@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 97.115.186.230 From: "ai9e_qrp" Subject: Re: Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=241001136; y=XkI26FvOqkBn-pS5B1xvYYRV1V7aZP2uR5UiK0rNc9-xbgE X-Yahoo-Profile: ai9e_qrp > Now tell us how to get the IQM out of a Gates Vanguard 1 Transmitter=20=20 > and you will win the Chocolate Chip Cookie! >=20 With a sledge hammer? From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 06:38:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13188 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 13:38:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 13:38:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 13:38:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14412 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2008 13:38:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: i5CRUQMVM1lCvt2kChRzAK_uDkhO.gMMtLgsZx.fXQGIZ2a6BHbPk27Rd7zIEsSb3qPxtb33m6jV7RbqqfgiJOQYC08N1yTmW7G979ULWbihhZ4hUJxLrg350SnuJA5yRJRhSGz5yCB3VfUStmCbazv9vEDPLkJ33kU76E2KvWch_UtDFEccOClfY.g- X-Received: from [70.109.220.74] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 06:38:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 06:38:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005301c92bae$bab68f00$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <210168.13477.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: equipment for Jay- was, Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=2p-B2WEDEHY0t6xPnEohuBaAm0LKp3QnCGTBsS2k1CIQ5rm2JqCG X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am going to do a search in Google but sadly, I am ignorant as to what an = Arrakis 2000 ST is.=A0 Like I said though, I am going to look it up on Goog= le. The Stereo 80 is just what I may be able to get for free.=A0 Then again, I = can give it to my friend Jason who also wants to start an A.M. stereo stati= on.=A0 To further clarify, I start work this week at a station I've worked = before.=A0 Metro Networks is cutting back people & leaving markets (from 60= markets to 13 hubs according to their press release).=A0 So I have moved o= n to for now hopefully, part-time work.=A0 Production, board-op work, etc..= =A0 If they like me & I prove my salt they'll put me in the running for pro= gram director.=A0 As to whether or not I'd ever be able to get this station= to go stereo is to be seen.=A0 I'll say probably not, but remain hopeful t= hat I'll be able to get it done. Just did the search & couldn't find anything.=A0 I have to beg forgiveness of my ignorance & inquire what the 2000 ST is exactly.=A0 I will say I am interested. Anyway, I think I've identified a very good frequency.=A0 The problem is it= 's adjacent to a New York City class A, which is about ~175 miles (~280km) = away.=A0 There's a water path which keeps the N.Y.C. station's signal stron= g as mine would be in S.E. Massachusetts & yesterday I heard the adjacent f= requency station pretty well along Interstate 495.=A0 HOWEVER, from the pre= liminary search that www.v-soft.com allows, under the "zip code search" fea= ture it does not show that particular station in the zip code I have entere= d. In case anyone is still interested in this, there are 2 towers near each ot= her in the city: one is ~500' (~156m) & the other one ~350' (~106m).=A0 I t= hink I need a signal that would go southeast which these could do.=A0 They'= re tall enough for a =BC-wave @ the frequency I'd want to use.=A0 They're b= eing used for 2-way so that will be a problem. Thanks for the heads-up.=A0 Again, sorry I am unfamiliar with the Arrakis 2= 000 ST.=A0 The BE board & power supply have piqued my interested too! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Sat, 10/11/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wro= te: From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: equipment for Jay- was, Re: {AMSF} Burgers To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 10:29 AM =20=20=20=20 I've got an Arrakis 2000 ST you can have for the price of shipp= ing- board and power supply shipped separately. I've also got an eight pot= stereo BE board I'll let you have too. If you absolutely have your heart = set on a stereo 80 your best bet would be to sign up for some of the broadc= aster message boards. Doubtless you'd be able to scare one up there.=20=20 Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JNR=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 11:22 PM Well I have come into 2 equipment racks! That's closer to the dream still= ! Maybe a stereo 80 board too if I'm not too much of a pest! =20=20=20 =20=20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 09:24:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83586 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 16:23:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 16:23:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 16:23:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1287 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2008 16:23:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _9qKvd8VM1mATrIJ2ytNRGoYyDXh_t6G_QX8TNcBAopfeJESWebvCER9fnpT51wOL6UCPJz3lW5LYhXnHg3HtNX0.r3SCO.wqrcSRZZAXK8tIMxYr8PpEw13tayKTe3WicvBi5gWooA5xF5De0egdZGFi_dVV9fcbKjCMTEP9E7XM1u.v.tIZI..Zg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.143] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:23:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:23:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7C930F91-12E2-4029-A553-150A757BED42@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <75487.99781.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Ge1euCoYOjRfrtZIkYzyHSVDqYzjbrEzplAgK-5oTPk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 10/10/08, kevin redding wrote: > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 6:06 PM > > There is no modulation penalty with C-QUAM > > Yes there is and I can prove it. > > Your signal does not go as far when you shut off C-QUAM. > > That is a etched in stone fact. > Kevin Prove it by actual fact and not someone saying so. FACTS.... Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 09:30:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66721 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 16:30:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 16:30:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 16:30:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31937 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2008 16:30:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HO3TewwVM1nsg6Vs7NDx3yzV9ooaA6xKPupg2PXMVIZZR6JrWWfsIVobB2Hn6jvmrRZbKHjwav4WdNXuzGA3pZw_m3vli5ngh5BD1Y7XouVEohIVDnxc1AXgikEwKOJ_AkuElpj5vS5SQGP.l6Ytr5367R60ji9AlF3AHg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.143] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:30:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:30:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <81A4A194-AA73-4628-8460-95D94D84BBB6@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <479218.31205.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=tV3Tjg3-Ik7kZbbN08gi0kfqDOA430n50Cu2purgbR4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN > > Believe what you want. I have 200 people that will tell you > from > empirical evidence that your signal does not travel as far > and sounds > worse when you cut off C-QUAM. Hearsay. > I am an engineer. A real one, not a radio station operator. > My > engineering license came from California and it is number > 152370 and > it expires 1/2013, I can tell you that you are not right. You are not a radio engineer. Your license is not accepted by the FCC because it is not a radio license. I have one of those, but the paper I think got destroyed in the fire in 2006. > FM has that > issue, C-QUAM does not. FM range drops when you have > stereo. That is > a stone cold fact. AM Stereo really does make you sound > better and > your signal goes farther. That is a stone cold fact also. No it is not. And FM mono goes farther for reasons not related to RF. FM mono does not have muliptath problems (as bad anyway) for the same reason. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 09:34:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1458 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 16:34:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 16:34:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 16:34:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34283 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2008 16:34:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ujSd6x8VM1krp2R_AMW31cRnynVgqT1j.Ywp3dBFyzDWjg_zwtSYvsWjjNgitt9RNYLLFT9nfvwWjpf12JbXb6DfR5wTv_6C8MH2I4W.ywdlCUg25rV2m97VSHJkdMK8_Y6rTPnpEE6pPgM_dM2bBdXuYlZmb_AsmPe8IfQWPSBlvkefwYhRcLgRtw-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.143] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:34:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:34:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <203787.33172.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=YmNpIuTz1F04QE0S3EneMESqILp81NG8CGbooPZDEo8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Wrong answer. You can do that anyway as those are the FCC limits. Actually you never want to try to modulate more that 99% positive as you get splatter. 125% was set as the positive limit because of the super modulation wars in decades past. A new solid state transmitter will do at least 150% positive peaks without sweating. Doing so is illegal. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 10/10/08, kevin redding wrote: > And that is what makes the signal go farther. > > Kevin > > On Oct 10, 2008, at 6:10 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > > > You are limited to 99% Phase modulation, but you can > still Amplitude > > Modulate the signal to the legal Limit (125% > Positive). From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Oct 12 09:35:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4759 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 16:34:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 16:34:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.30) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 16:34:59 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so376274yxg.43 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:34:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.155.12 with SMTP id h12mr6289341ybo.136.1223829299219; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.21.107? (68-115-229-042.static.spbg.sc.charter.com [68.115.229.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm3949114ywg.6.2008.10.12.09.34.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2A796CE7-EA8C-4482-ADEC-29A2AAB2C984@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:27:43 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=Hf4gc6r4xZCIkf2WG2gGwIJCEO1yGKDeifWwNdgrdVVoFSeo0O-HoZbIGSFs7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 12, 2008, at 8:04 AM, ai9e_qrp wrote: > With a sledge hammer? ROFL, Yes, the Vanguard 1 has to be the single WORST commercially made transmitter ever sold in the USA. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 09:39:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77700 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 16:39:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 16:39:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 16:39:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37187 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2008 16:39:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SWDOl8MVM1mGLXKymjQmHxsP5BQRGTgveqM2zYDJUfXyRkcJzkWcxPUHTzcMxT6kcA-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.143] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:39:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:39:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <219B2539-A583-435D-8ABC-26759258E446@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <418432.37131.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=boTZyxjr3hZ0G2Q9ltG3_X67frjd6kwGzSfScONScxE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 10/10/08, kevin redding wrote: > > I too have noticed this effect. Do you think this is > due to the lower > > IQM when using the C-QUAM generator rather than the > transmitter's > > built in Oscillator? > > Dunno about IQM. Never heard of it before. > > I am not a radio engineer. And it shows here. I will let you play with nuclear stuff, but you keep your hands off my transmitter.... ;) > I do know that if you shut off C-QUAM your station is not > heard as > far as when its straight mono. I believe that its the > additional +125 There is NO **ADDITIONAL** 125% modulation. That's the LIMIT the FCC set abritrarily years ago to quash the problem from modulation wars. That's also where NRSC started from. Powell > modulation that makes it punch through a lot of mess. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 09:47:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36949 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 16:47:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 16:47:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 16:47:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3635 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2008 16:47:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bcFgVfkVM1l._O.svqBKt6cl2p45GgNyITz9lNe563paZ5GLaySRb2ozuhIDRscP48tyQnGGcmGhHybCN7bdp_viDI9Npu7JSBKCIBH5OOU3kjP8R6_p.z.Kmrvfofg5ZlTnXK3rhNSJlIMfWelQGgKxGB3qDp2l17XPAh0u8M041foVBAb041bAhg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.143] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:47:44 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:47:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <65E647B1-04EA-4ABF-808E-C4AA5B0C0016@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <902362.99998.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Q3j6e6U42i0Agm4n7KlopnFzH4CEPHboFeY40S0Bej8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 10/10/08, kevin redding wrote: > > THERE WASN'T/ISN'T/WON'T BE A TECHNICAL > REASON TO THE BAD AM SOUND!!! > > There are two reasons AM sounds bad. > > 1. Transmitters send narrow 5 kHz signals and receivers are > too > narrow and about 5 kHz wide. That sounds like a telephone. > Bad. Wrong answer. Modern transmitters are flat from about 20 or 30 hertz to 20 kilohertz. It's the dumb owners running HD or thinking it's good to run a limited bandwidth. WKDK runs full NRSC and on my Zenith High Fidelity or the mid 60's Fisher console, you can't tell it's not FM > 2. AM picks up every noise on earth and carries it along on > the carrier. Not correct. Correct this way: AM has a problem with impulse noise. It s NOT "carried along on the carrier"... the impulse noise is actually broadband RF to some extent. It even messes up FM if there is a bad enough episode of it. > You can do something about #1. You can't do anything > about #2. > > If you have an old receiver and the station is sending the > full 10 > kHz, you are in for a treat. There is nothing that says you > couldn't > send a 20 kHz wide AM signal other than the FCC laws and > regs here in > the USA. It would sound fantastic. 20 kilohertz is legal. That's the 10 kilohertz audio. If you ran 20 kilohertz audio, the bandwidth is 40....20 upper and 20 lower. There's very little info in that last 5 kilohertz, and most radios even made won't even pass 15. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 09:57:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62668 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 16:57:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 16:57:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 16:57:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24095 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2008 16:57:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iN4rPUkVM1mHTd5BLjXgYN3omcdGZ8WRbKge4s.WaSERvSKjLqqiBLVJ4BaLW_S9HXiVA0BZ44Gjpsr1FXNj9GBcjaOedeCWxuEn9OnX33PrOBO_lfbo0ZMidCQIkoSZC73k1rpdNf8FbFALCzvIhTBvJiu949_lSVM3Hdvu1BKuwX2F629JCndP8g-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.143] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:57:53 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:57:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <920018.49742.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <312095.23782.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Coming into equipment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=I7ud7hDpfYAWyKF_DOLwjbR9KdbAFRCK9DVYtOVNIfk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Free is best. What is in that stuff you got?? Now, the Gates Stereo 80 had lots of problems. Unplugging modules caused (causes) the connectors and connections to become erratic. And likely it would be good to replace ALL electrolytic capacitors. Then it's an OK board of the era. If someone can give you a LPB Signature console, that is so much better. I have a 5 channel one. It's limited in inputs as compared to the 8 channel and above models. The weak thing are the switches used for turning on the microphones. It's a pain to change one out and if someone else does it it's expensive. Same for the Gates models. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 10/11/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 12:22 AM > Well I have come into 2 equipment racks! That's closer > to the dream still! Maybe a stereo 80 board too if I'm > not too much of a pest! > > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 > > --- On Fri, 10/10/08, mjgrant@aol.com > wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 6:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > It sure does.?? There is an old saying to the > effect that the high grass gets cut first.? Alot of the big > dogs in radio are overloaded with debt.? Jay's wish to > own a radio station may come sooner than he thinks. > > > > Mike > > > > I hope so too, but it sure looks like it is coming, > doesn't it? G > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: george russell > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 3:54 pm > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > > > > I hope so too, but it sure looks like it is coming, > doesn't it? G > > > > --- On Fri, 10/10/08, mjgrant@aol. com com> wrote: > > > > > From: mjgrant@aol. com > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 11:54 AM > > > In the wall art at a new White Castle in my old > > > neighborhood, they have three women at the counter > from > > > 1930.? My parents who lived through the Great > Depression > > > used to talk about going to White Castle in St. Louis > on a > > > cheap date with money earned by collecting milk > bottles. > > > > > > I hope the Great Depression doesn't make a > comeback > > > because milk bottles aren't a plentiful now. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Donn Tillman hotmail.com> > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 6:33 am > > > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've always been told by my parents and some of > their > > > neighbors from Columbus (OH) that White Castle was > founded > > > in Columbus and I know that, at least in Columbus the > chain > > > goes back to prior to WWII. Will have to google White > Castle > > > (did it, check below); I would hate to think that my > parents > > > have been misinformed all these years. > > > > > > Donn > > > > > > At one time we had Royal Castle chain here, don't > think > > > they were affiliated with White Castle, but they were > very > > > much like White Castle; Royal Castle folded in the > late > > > 1970's or early 80's. > > > > > > The results of my Google search: > > > > > > White Castle was founded in Wichita, Kansas in Sept > 1921; > > > they moved their headquarters to Columbus, Oh in 1933, > so > > > White Castle has been headquartered in Columbus for 75 > > > years. > > > > > > The State of Ohio website even has a section on White > > > Castle in it's historical archives. > > > > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. comFrom: mjgrant@aol. > comDate: > > > Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:15:18 -0400Subject: Re: {AMSF} > Burgers > > > > > > I think Indianapolis is the home of White Castle.? In > the > > > new White Castle they built in my old neighborhood, > the wall > > > art is pictures from White Castle's past.? One is > from > > > Detroit.What is Big Boy?? I thought there was only one > chain > > > and it literally had a big boy out front.? Shoney?? > Speaking > > > of burgers, I understand the person who disclosed the > > > "secret sauce" on Big Mac's was just > Thousand > > > Island salad dressing is down at Gitmo being > > > waterboarded. Mike----- Original Message----- From: > george > > > russell To: > > > amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 > 9:19 > > > pmSubject: RE: {AMSF} BurgersOh yeah, Tim Hortons are > all > > > over, especially here in Michigan. We must have dozens > just > > > in the Metro Detroit area alone, TWO within walking > distance > > > of me.As for Burgers, best I ever had was Frisch's > Big > > > Boy in Ohio. We have Elias Bros. Big Boy in Michigan, > but > > > those dufuses put thousand island dressing on instead > of > > > tarter sauce. I have to specify a "Buckeye Big > > > Boy", or explain the RIGHT way to make one, > hah-hah! > > > G--- On Sun, 9/28/08, J Gualda Q Media > > > wrote:> From: J > Gualda Q > > > Media > Subject: RE: > {AMSF} > > > Burgers> To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com> > Date: > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:49 PM> They don't > have > > > White Castle around here in West> Tennessee. The > > > > > closest thing is 30 miles away and its Krystal. There > is > > > a> regional > burger joint around here called > Backyard > > > Burgers and they> are very > good. They are > across the > > > street from Krystal in Corinth,> Mississippi. > > > > > > Kevin> > > > The closest Krystal is about > one > > > and a half hours north of> here.> > > > > > > Honestly, I can 't tell the difference, as I have > > > always> eaten them many> months apart. Krystals > are > > > good comfort food.> > > > In another OT..I > found > > > a Tim Horton's in West> Virginia..I didn't > know > > > they> were outside of Canada. Good Coffee and great > > > pastries> & donuts.."Mmmmm> > Donuts"> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text > > > portions of this message have been removed][Non- text > > > portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 10:03:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36245 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 17:03:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 17:03:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 17:03:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15855 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2008 17:03:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4jT5I9cVM1l9LGWoHqY5NQfB_O7B4h5a0inwixm8BZ8LzrokmKBc2S8ODijKFP0783RJ0odupHNej24vNCKKGjJI1udJnmI_U1bN9n60GSAcQCQrYW8MRM5xNNSC9f7aZ.fu3dIoPxjcBjHl0yUHjwYNY3tJSYlOn6y4P3jCuDsc67aZsBKUyKSGUQ-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.143] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:03:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:03:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0CE0776F-E2E1-49C2-932A-0F7DD5CFC779@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <945616.15770.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=jERixpkj_ifh-9cYNhvb1G7Y3MFEOVvF_oZCRBsjZOw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 10/11/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > On Oct 11, 2008, at 1:28 PM, kevin redding wrote: > > > Hey, I know this term! > > Now tell us how to get the IQM out of a Gates Vanguard 1 > Transmitter > and you will win the Chocolate Chip Cookie! That's real easy. Don't turn it on!!!! Powell ( ducking) From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 10:10:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16013 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 17:10:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 17:10:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.233) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 17:10:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 48964 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2008 17:10:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xcqZfX4VM1lbV0LdzFu45KHo7wZjx.JVsA_yVOVC4BeMFyrKj2WNwhXuIXsbcBEwBeEk2BG_6RiczQ2QuNf6i.TB4qFRLzrYFOnir6rcNuqRCsJEnKXpJX.qQXxww7OG9bzIeuIkVl1rGbFZ1QvEh0tTb0MyIRZTx1a2rri4TKFFDxqrVjQ60PAI7Pw- X-Received: from [64.223.40.144] by web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:10:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:10:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <312095.23782.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <240005.46616.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Coming into equipment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=GZxF5twQAz0NE_29jhx7WbQSaXqaGbvkzrHeDNTP8HLi2td1Lu6M X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The racks are empty.=A0 One is about 3 feet high & the other one about 18 i= nches.=A0 There are also 2 6ft. tall cart carousels that they want to get r= id of.=A0 I have no use for those so I'm not taking them but hope someone e= lse can.=A0 They're in Somerset, Ma. if anyone is interested in picking the= m up. I don't know what they're going to do with the boards yet but there are rea= lly 5 unused boards.=A0 4 are of the Gates/Gatesway 80 variety (only the on= e Stereo 80 however) & the last one is a mono BE 4-channel boards for remot= es.=A0 That one was taken out of the station van.=A0 Anyway, I don't know t= he fates of those boards.=A0 I have a mono 8-channel Sparta board that I th= ink works but have no documentation. If I had the money I would go with a new Audioarts board, maybe the one tha= t can be networked to other places & so it's an 8-pot board but you can add= a lot of inputs.=A0 For my idea of a full-service station, I'd need that. In any event, the other A.M. station I started working at recently has move= d an 8-channel LPB Signature II board from on-air @ their old studio to pro= duction @ their new studio. I'll see what I can get between now & when everything is ready to go!=A0 It= 'll be a patchwork for awhile! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: {AMSF} Coming into equipment To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 12:57 PM =20=20=20=20 Free is best. What is in that stuff you got?? Now, the Gates= Stereo 80 had lots of problems. Unplugging modules caused (causes) the con= nectors and connections to become erratic. And likely it would be good to r= eplace ALL electrolytic capacitors. Then it's an OK board of the era. If so= meone can give you a LPB Signature console, that is so much better. I have= a 5 channel one. It's limited in inputs as compared to the 8 channel and a= bove models. The weak thing are the switches used for turning on the microp= hones. It's a pain to change one out and if someone else does it it's expen= sive. Same for the Gates models.=20 Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 10/11/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 12:22 AM > Well I have come into 2 equipment racks! That's closer > to the dream still! Maybe a stereo 80 board too if I'm > not too much of a pest! >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 >=20 > --- On Fri, 10/10/08, mjgrant@aol. com > wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol. com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 6:55 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > It sure does.?? There is an old saying to the > effect that the high grass gets cut first.? Alot of the big > dogs in radio are overloaded with debt.? Jay's wish to > own a radio station may come sooner than he thinks. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > I hope so too, but it sure looks like it is coming, > doesn't it? G >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- >=20 > From: george russell >=20 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 3:54 pm >=20 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers >=20 >=20 >=20 > I hope so too, but it sure looks like it is coming, > doesn't it? G >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Fri, 10/10/08, mjgrant@aol. com com> wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > From: mjgrant@aol. com >=20 > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Burgers >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 11:54 AM >=20 > > In the wall art at a new White Castle in my old >=20 > > neighborhood, they have three women at the counter > from >=20 > > 1930.? My parents who lived through the Great > Depression >=20 > > used to talk about going to White Castle in St. Louis > on a >=20 > > cheap date with money earned by collecting milk > bottles. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > I hope the Great Depression doesn't make a > comeback >=20 > > because milk bottles aren't a plentiful now. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Mike >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- >=20 > > From: Donn Tillman hotmail.com> >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Sent: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 6:33 am >=20 > > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Burgers >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > I've always been told by my parents and some of > their >=20 > > neighbors from Columbus (OH) that White Castle was > founded >=20 > > in Columbus and I know that, at least in Columbus the > chain >=20 > > goes back to prior to WWII. Will have to google White > Castle >=20 > > (did it, check below); I would hate to think that my > parents >=20 > > have been misinformed all these years. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Donn >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > At one time we had Royal Castle chain here, don't > think >=20 > > they were affiliated with White Castle, but they were > very >=20 > > much like White Castle; Royal Castle folded in the > late >=20 > > 1970's or early 80's. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > The results of my Google search: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > White Castle was founded in Wichita, Kansas in Sept > 1921; >=20 > > they moved their headquarters to Columbus, Oh in 1933, > so >=20 > > White Castle has been headquartered in Columbus for 75 >=20 > > years. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > The State of Ohio website even has a section on White >=20 > > Castle in it's historical archives. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. comFrom: mjgrant@aol. > comDate: >=20 > > Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:15:18 -0400Subject: Re: {AMSF} > Burgers >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > I think Indianapolis is the home of White Castle.? In > the >=20 > > new White Castle they built in my old neighborhood, > the wall >=20 > > art is pictures from White Castle's past.? One is > from >=20 > > Detroit.What is Big Boy?? I thought there was only one > chain >=20 > > and it literally had a big boy out front.? Shoney?? > Speaking >=20 > > of burgers, I understand the person who disclosed the >=20 > > "secret sauce" on Big Mac's was just > Thousand >=20 > > Island salad dressing is down at Gitmo being >=20 > > waterboarded. Mike----- Original Message----- From: > george >=20 > > russell To: >=20 > > amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 > 9:19 >=20 > > pmSubject: RE: {AMSF} BurgersOh yeah, Tim Hortons are > all >=20 > > over, especially here in Michigan. We must have dozens > just >=20 > > in the Metro Detroit area alone, TWO within walking > distance >=20 > > of me.As for Burgers, best I ever had was Frisch's > Big >=20 > > Boy in Ohio. We have Elias Bros. Big Boy in Michigan, > but >=20 > > those dufuses put thousand island dressing on instead > of >=20 > > tarter sauce. I have to specify a "Buckeye Big >=20 > > Boy", or explain the RIGHT way to make one, > hah-hah! >=20 > > G--- On Sun, 9/28/08, J Gualda Q Media >=20 > > wrote:> From: J > Gualda Q >=20 > > Media > Subject: RE: > {AMSF} >=20 > > Burgers> To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com> > Date: >=20 > > Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:49 PM> They don't > have >=20 > > White Castle around here in West> Tennessee. The > > >=20 > > closest thing is 30 miles away and its Krystal. There > is >=20 > > a> regional > burger joint around here called > Backyard >=20 > > Burgers and they> are very > good. They are > across the >=20 > > street from Krystal in Corinth,> Mississippi. > > > >=20 > > Kevin> > > > The closest Krystal is about > one >=20 > > and a half hours north of> here.> > > > >=20 > > Honestly, I can 't tell the difference, as I have >=20 > > always> eaten them many> months apart. Krystals > are >=20 > > good comfort food.> > > > In another OT..I > found >=20 > > a Tim Horton's in West> Virginia..I didn't > know >=20 > > they> were outside of Canada. 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(big_h00pla@75.121.111.185 with plain) by smtp121.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 18:19:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FVIQcngVM1mte0fP_EEhIdrz0GdGXDH0FHGx36nwt4WHBxksQUlqMem9tks5S5jf8xrpKJfr0Qs0IZ_Vo_G.mWVIYuTadPslhXVQTcsvDba5PV.9cOIUKxH_6xey_moH_XBij3yGKXUSooO_.PIIPGR7nwpgWLzXKXQ_OQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <902362.99998.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <902362.99998.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:19:30 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 216.252.100.57 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=UQbiml17YlNc55E4AYfZzRIYSldnyQsnwA_KQv0Zok5Cyu-kbg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Oct 12, 2008, at 11:47 AM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > Wrong answer. Modern transmitters are flat from about 20 or 30 > hertz to 20 kilohertz. It's the dumb owners running HD or thinking > it's good to run a limited bandwidth. What the hell is the difference? The owner sends a narrow signal from his transmitter. The sound sucks. The modern receivers can't hear it wide anyway. The sound sucks. AM sucks because the signal sent is narrow most of the time and the receivers can't process a wide signal. The sound sucks. WKDK is a stand alone. Its unusual. The rest of the stations suck. They sound like crap. Especially the ones owned by the Mega Corp. Tell me most of the AM stations sound good. I will tell you again. The sound sucks. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 11:21:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58593 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 18:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 18:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.144) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 18:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2008 18:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.66] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2008 18:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2008 18:21:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 35289.32111.bm@omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 74635 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 18:21:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.185 with plain) by smtp123.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 18:21:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Tqxuib0VM1nhsFxvDEWE9O3f2b8sSlDV0uGBnS2tYl0PvtRTJinuVqvvHpxzsBAdTr2kjCpgkP.zzTxOzCFHQHAY.9_6COMnHKrEtRFhgAqMXpn3s3lS0kpDIhswtFBkcu08RVSb7DNO4B88IJtNX275JHM.EkcqxHreLA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <479218.31205.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <479218.31205.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:21:30 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=jzwUXKdsdLEoveV2QXA2383MM8KUGz84BnJBlnCfye0LinUIeQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > You are not a radio engineer. This should be patently obvious since I admitted it more than once and lately on this list. But just so you will be able to see it, I am not a radio engineer. And most AM stations send a 5 kHz signal and the receivers receive at 5 kHz and the sound sucks. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 11:24:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88827 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 18:24:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 18:24:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.50) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 18:24:25 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n31.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2008 18:24:25 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.248] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2008 18:24:25 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2008 18:24:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 445141.60441.bm@omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 49101 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 18:24:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.185 with plain) by smtp125.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 18:24:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FDy4EQcVM1kXgQtSD4h92MzmHmhoR0x_fZwYp7EZmwg.RAxxTT9hJlMXIbbZkRwuO7Hwp6FcQv2bYO9fDFBOz138PZkZ0CDGFZpN4.wJFtm5xi.pgrxi0z0IpiAYOtj27BMnP7tcKM6Iu2RU5a.DOAE765i9qXnWrWUQug-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <902362.99998.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <902362.99998.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5DB0BEB7-58F6-4EB3-B38C-943E7D79CD3A@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:24:23 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=zA0_I5xkVPGOq1mtLls0jPzdxML8HhlB4S0PGXv4d3jqB_Z3RQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > 20 kilohertz is legal. That's the 10 kilohertz audio. If you ran 20 > kilohertz audio, the bandwidth is 40....20 upper and 20 lower. > There's very little info in that last 5 kilohertz, and most radios > even made won't even pass 15. Great. You have to be a pedantic a-hole. Ok let me say it the way I meant it so you will be happy. When I meant 20 kHz wide I meant that instead of a station each 10 kHz a station would be every 20 kHz. Are we on the same page now? Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Oct 12 11:41:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28142 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 18:41:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 18:41:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 18:41:02 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c81.3b161195 (39330) for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:40:57 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=THTcUyo70tqZr0pPbSFH7_Xls8zlMwbVfJwmOWC1ClreyHOdWB1DeUbA8cnDNDAf X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Powell, Supermodulation does not cause splatter. A supermodulated conventional AM broadcast signal is IDENTICAL to a Double Sideband Reduced Carrier AM signal. Same bandwidth. Mike ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Oct 12 11:57:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78029 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 18:57:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 18:57:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 18:57:44 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c3e.35d82a65 (39330) for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:57:32 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=7loa3yej9Zg5ds8PRzOjSQLlDHmTZ-pX4NYkZAlRFjFbmc5tWVxdXPiV84qquV7b X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a myth about bandwidth. The FCC regulations limit the amplitude of emissions removed more than 10 kHz from the carrier. Mistakenly, alot of people assume that means the transmitter's audio response must be rolled-off at 10 kHz. Wrong! How much spectrum is effectively used has to do with the program material. I did some informal studies of typical program material: Old rock (Reflections by the Supremes *vinyl*), Modern Rock (Walking on Broken Glass by Annie Lennox), Baroque (Hornpipe from Handel's Water Music - Berlin Philharmonic), Classical (Ride of Valkaries - Wagner - Berlin Philharmonic), Modern Classical (Hoedown from Rodeo - Copland - New York Philharmonic). Conclusion was there just isn't that much program material about 10 khz. What had the most was the vinyl Supremes. After recording the 45 as an viewable and editable file, the high amplitude peaks were "pops", not true program material. Mike ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Oct 12 12:58:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22888 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 19:58:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 19:58:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f20.google.com) (209.85.217.20) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 19:58:14 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f20.google.com with SMTP id 13so2605715gxk.17 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:58:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.109.17 with SMTP id l17mr6610056ybm.20.1223841494663; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:58:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.88? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm10761944yxg.6.2008.10.12.12.58.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <312095.23782.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:58:09 -0400 References: <312095.23782.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Coming into equipment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=hLhF4lDGXdvzT4Z97vGR55-zBbflcevDY-DlXGBi-jD020OzFaOr1drKOukJZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 12, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > Now, the Gates Stereo 80 had lots of problems. It is just the Stereo version of the Gatesway 80. I had a Stereo 80 at WPJM and a Gatesway 80 at WFIS when I worked there and NEVER had an issue with either one, and both boards were BADLY abused. I also had a Mono Yard at WCKI and it was as reliable as a Rock, it only blew one tube the whole time I worked there. > Unplugging modules caused (causes) the connectors and connections to > become erratic. And likely it would be good to replace ALL > electrolytic capacitors. That is true with all electronics of that age. > If someone can give you a LPB Signature console, that is so much > better. Agreed, the Sig III is as good as a board gets. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Oct 12 13:12:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96976 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 20:12:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 20:12:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.25) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 20:12:33 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so400733qwb.7 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:12:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.214.115.9 with SMTP id n9mr3925637qac.84.1223842352811; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.88? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm5266686yxd.2.2008.10.12.13.12.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:12:26 -0400 References: <902362.99998.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=ipv1gz836c6T7rg7TsNIyVIjLcX2tchQ7L8mj9DbhPEybslLT1QwKkbRbUzkIA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 12, 2008, at 2:19 PM, kevin redding wrote: > WKDK is a stand alone. Its unusual. The rest of the stations suck. > They sound like crap. Especially the ones owned by the Mega Corp. I will have to admit Clear Channel's WGVL 1440 actually sounds decent. Somebody actually fixed WPJM while I was away in MO and IL. WDRF Sounds decent. WCKI sounds decent. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Oct 12 13:14:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89308 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 20:14:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 20:14:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f16.google.com) (209.85.217.16) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 20:14:48 -0000 X-Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so2774625gxk.2 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:14:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.42.6 with SMTP id u6mr6634904ybj.39.1223842488238; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.88? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm5293420yxd.2.2008.10.12.13.14.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4EE7E322-BE4C-41C3-AB00-389060446C01@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:14:42 -0400 References: <479218.31205.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=vmscdktb0U2HC5G7uvosX_qPsEAQ8-Bh9hPbbQb3hKrBkL_KFyfut-1sihMywA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 12, 2008, at 2:21 PM, kevin redding wrote: > And most AM stations send a 5 kHz signal and the receivers receive at > 5 kHz and the sound sucks. Only 1 station in my market has a 5kc Analog signal. WPCI is broadcasting in HD-Radio, so must limit their analog audio. It used to be the best sounding C-QUAM signal on the dial. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 13:18:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54870 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 20:17:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 20:17:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.144) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 20:17:59 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2008 20:17:59 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.254] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2008 20:17:59 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2008 20:17:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 437352.17456.bm@omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 92012 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 20:17:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.185 with plain) by smtp118.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 20:17:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YGRFCCYVM1lfbfTaMHhNg0hT7NODW5qOw9kZxgwXo1CRezN9Fq4Hhs2shfo7dkxmC8BSyhnMaI4r6olFRSfOUz1u53NdR2uiiSVbsCOf.PB6DQzJ2UIqTkRuc9az_ztztxne_9wiBbd.mhgj9r46WRTgFeKTde._ohjKvA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4EE7E322-BE4C-41C3-AB00-389060446C01@gmail.com> References: <479218.31205.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4EE7E322-BE4C-41C3-AB00-389060446C01@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:17:56 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=EVfcyLJihBvQXOF-PQZL0w1rnyBUez5OPw25SUT7-duq-hx-zg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Only 1 station in my market has a 5kc Analog signal. WPCI is > broadcasting in HD-Radio, so must limit their analog audio. It used to > be the best sounding C-QUAM signal on the dial. Go to Phoenix AZ. I promise you that if nothing changed, it sucks. Almost everything I hear in Crump is very narrow. I believe sometimes that the stations want you to move off their AM signal to their FM one. Several of the stations I hear here are simulcast from their FM. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Oct 12 13:26:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22045 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 20:26:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 20:26:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f14.google.com) (209.85.217.14) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 20:26:52 -0000 X-Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so2613477gxk.23 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:26:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.219.16 with SMTP id r16mr6642188ybg.21.1223843212108; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.88? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm4173300ywp.3.2008.10.12.13.26.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9F0F6712-01E5-4554-92C0-00A8E9125460@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:26:48 -0400 References: <479218.31205.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4EE7E322-BE4C-41C3-AB00-389060446C01@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=AhgY7AwgAwlNBeA_WtmG8k0kVA8jYii1HkkVrJEsmr0lBO9DKqMXcaYY6Uyzeg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 12, 2008, at 4:17 PM, kevin redding wrote: > Almost everything I hear in Crump is very narrow. I don't mind a station broadcasting with 5 kc if it is clean and is a talk station. My gripe is stations that keep running flat Modulator tubes so the audio is about 60% Distortion. For land's sakes BUY SOME DAMN TUBES or another transmitter! Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Oct 12 13:50:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40144 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 20:50:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 20:50:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.26) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 20:50:20 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 8so1139177qwh.63 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:50:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.214.113.15 with SMTP id l15mr3998495qac.54.1223844620303; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.88? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm4102753ywf.2.2008.10.12.13.50.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <30F1EFEF-6A9B-4D9D-879A-E3D0D1183AA2@gmail.com> To: abDX@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:50:15 -0400 Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: ARS Studio Help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=g28LA06HgTJ9hUtVYOpGJZygkWOZOQuFMHt9s6xgshbdQCuy1ec62wmvTjBNQg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 I can't get ARS Studio to open in Mac OSX 10.5.5. Anybody else having this issue? Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 14:32:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19326 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 21:32:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 21:32:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 21:32:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5960 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2008 21:32:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZQYwhMsVM1konepi1uCoWYz9.wS4DtqN8eEBcdk.tNfLFVq4aU0QFGdxqWevT1KRynHy_kWakrKhB7glajaNhf0GeIFLMElk23wsy4UfNLDLx_hLTgzz7Kd0xwTJpGZuZpzG2xaKqO3NbNNrHRRg6X4kgekfyeZ.goFP.EvIfYjdI6Ow_ZESHhZ_.Q-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.5] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:32:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:32:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <707471.5197.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=zhdYyDV8Aw-ooVPh20HzaKkU_-iviTHtY3wvFTk5pI4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 10/12/08, kevin redding wrote: > On Oct 12, 2008, at 11:47 AM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > > > Wrong answer. Modern transmitters are flat from about > 20 or 30 > > hertz to 20 kilohertz. It's the dumb owners > running HD or thinking > > it's good to run a limited bandwidth. > What the hell is the difference? The owner sends a narrow > signal from > his transmitter. The sound sucks. The modern receivers > can't hear it > wide anyway. The sound sucks. The wording, and it does make a difference. There ARE modern receivers that do decently on AM. It just isn't in GM vehicles. > AM sucks because the signal sent is narrow most of the time > and the receivers can't process a wide signal. And other than CC and another group this is not true. > The sound sucks. If you limit bandwidth it does. > WKDK is a stand alone. Its unusual. The rest of the > stations suck. > They sound like crap. Especially the ones owned by the Mega > Corp. > > Tell me most of the AM stations sound good. I will tell you > again. The sound sucks. The mega corporate IBOC shills AM does suck. And gives me a headache. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 14:34:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20604 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 21:34:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 21:34:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 21:34:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 39841 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2008 21:34:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: b_SYDJgVM1lesryANTYu3WctgqzOj.sZdam86dudBEfZlKOepfll8GBXHMFU3eeVj3Pfz4VSV6lDvT28akwNRPELXdccIjKOHbtE8PT.uszJ.iEefeO2SYh_0MNAHOAMDID0gJi_5DwrMYHOb3RIiFpECwi4O.yfjvlGxO.UIJm4dRN.eGgiQMITUQ-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.5] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:34:45 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:34:45 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <498930.39641.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=NzQ2s2g3KUaMP9TBv8gVyjXXb4svvEmTsT10qKNv1ow X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 10/12/08, kevin redding wrote: > And most AM stations send a 5 kHz signal and the receivers > receive at > 5 kHz and the sound sucks. ONLY Clear Channel and one other small IBOC lover. That is not most. It takes a NEW DSP audio processor to do this, and a lot of stations do not have this. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 14:36:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66041 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 21:36:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 21:36:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 21:36:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 40884 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2008 21:36:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eYegi1sVM1kb3bsTm75q7ASx22PZ9PsUQhRFnc4pwxYx1Zhoz5n_6ncxdbhFIJltmQVuZe5u964bBN1ljUV58OePPYqJZi2q6mySPOGE.I.8dmJAh1eiCz5xqc134.h4cfakYgt_4RUbyMQYk9rCtC92pwtkge48NjmvAKcdX8FSxc.jsIQ3YpxtAQ-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.5] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:36:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:36:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5DB0BEB7-58F6-4EB3-B38C-943E7D79CD3A@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <396575.40799.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=EuqGZJUfxCm3XrPKNALDiRBHy6WTt-fKIbGrw7ZMXUY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 10/12/08, kevin redding wrote: > > 20 kilohertz is legal. That's the 10 kilohertz > audio. If you ran 20 > > kilohertz audio, the bandwidth is 40....20 upper and > 20 lower. > > There's very little info in that last 5 kilohertz, > and most radios > > even made won't even pass 15. > > Great. You have to be a pedantic a-hole. > > Ok let me say it the way I meant it so you will be happy. > > When I meant 20 kHz wide I meant that instead of a station > each 10 > kHz a station would be every 20 kHz. > > Are we on the same page now? Yes, if you are going to be pontificating lets get it right.... Powell the Pedantic... From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 14:39:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37707 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 21:39:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 21:39:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 21:39:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10796 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2008 21:39:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MwkcbA4VM1nr1B33u1VX4cdNXCRd3brV9wAb.GUwatKbPYJ._1fLg.RgVz_va7Jj8_YuvWJSPI4ZWmce8S.lm1WvRWgCQbmEzYywxHe2LQCC1lwjH.z0WMqF7YgXW4H.aKNwxRECWTU85Ccl1GjfpSD1Txrn_Mwm3HGDDlot44fYb79KgBOhr8IsrQ-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.5] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:39:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:39:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <760699.9074.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=gqJhKh5oAvk9_zrbHSIeRlWF2B7BB827nT-WJUH6-mY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 10/12/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > Powell, > > Supermodulation does not cause splatter. A supermodulated > conventional AM > broadcast signal is IDENTICAL to a Double Sideband Reduced > Carrier AM signal. > Same bandwidth. This is true, but "back in the day" quite a few broadcasters tried to do this with transmitters that were simply incapable of doing this or didn't change tubes when they needed to. And it made the FCC very unhappy. Also diode detector radios don't handle VERY high positive peaks well. With a synchronous detector and a capable transmitter 300% positive is no problem. ALL AM receivers need to be sync detected... but NOOOOOOOOOOOOO...... Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 14:43:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8790 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 21:43:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 21:43:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 21:43:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2785 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2008 21:43:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ARef1a0VM1mLB.h5jULmTtSoilFPO17R5.bNFwEprDrIDCG322j7O5kJcGat_pCY01TIUxaXkEkvqoBBPQrvHNYcmMZXkyFr96f8E044umviHmke4HjG77mMdm5zFISc7JCOMhEGDLJE6kS9RXerqP23CBjIgwORYtDZVA-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.5] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:43:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:43:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <321695.2236.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Coming into equipment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=7Ke2CJ49M7fM5N8mAtt67Qs8rmPU0U97LFGZJlMXqvE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW ME : >> PH: > > > If someone can give you a LPB Signature console, that > >is so much better. > > Agreed, the Sig III is as good as a board gets. The only worry is that LPB is gone and if the transformer hoses you are out of luck. The pot for the headphones on the II is a weird value and very hard to find. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 14:46:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67694 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 21:46:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 21:46:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 21:46:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 47534 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2008 21:46:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FM6Iyc4VM1n1qxeqjiR9Qn51prEuNeax_pRZ_qENFaYQohjcto79Zka_z0KN1oM4jy0wyVYFlVu_EMr7T0R553l2Fr.hXzxLyOzdiPQKjpb2v3yzQCf0gNZclCadPeXWcl_3t9gwCmnvkFM558ELMw_IKG1HRYzsi7Wngo9bgW.W8UZXXAHuK3GyEA-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.5] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:46:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:46:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <30F1EFEF-6A9B-4D9D-879A-E3D0D1183AA2@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <4186.46904.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} ARS Studio Help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=WmCRzr2JbHtS5Z7NuczwcslwnyNoKOKZtyUwT0cnu7E X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW What is this? Powell stuck at 10.3.9 --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > I can't get ARS Studio to open in Mac OSX 10.5.5. > Anybody else having this issue? From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Oct 12 14:58:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6441 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 21:58:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 21:58:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.234) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 21:58:23 -0000 X-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 60so881252wri.6 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:58:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.147.16 with SMTP id z16mr6778227ybn.117.1223848703496; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.88? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm4161186ywo.7.2008.10.12.14.58.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <321695.2236.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:58:20 -0400 References: <321695.2236.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Coming into equipment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=-Ytqfxyn6q8xYJhCaEaNFmacE95vLs5olUguYJlX5RKrcd9QBpyZUPwtAHlUoA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 12, 2008, at 5:43 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > The only worry is that LPB is gone and if the transformer hoses you > are out of luck. Peter Dahl - Harbach Electronics can't wind you up another one? Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Oct 12 15:00:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29376 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 22:00:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 22:00:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.187) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 22:00:36 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id m61so756979rnd.15 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:00:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.124.2 with SMTP id w2mr6762314ybc.208.1223848835689; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.88? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm4211271ywg.6.2008.10.12.15.00.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <9B6CFE89-7C79-4F4C-B199-AF22AC1433D2@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4186.46904.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:00:30 -0400 References: <4186.46904.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} ARS Studio Help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=LVyRcaP0g3Cbe3lHeAb34QiL_rug_XUSS9yJDxBPw-pmja5eee9QjMQjSnrk7g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 12, 2008, at 5:46 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > What is this? I want to try ARS Studio for WCKI, but it comes up for a split second and crashes into a horrible death. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 15:21:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14592 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 22:21:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 22:21:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 22:21:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 75180 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2008 22:21:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 35yqdZ0VM1m13oTRRX3WpCsF99Dg1N1S8LTn6nZr4Ysjryp13XDNqTCg8oVohvL3aHvc7T_emWpSkzCCW525NPFHdYo5_hPycO0iG5L1io8FGc_xskIjGtAdd0eYVH4gXyBQ_u6RB1gAR.WFDPZgD6dugPcZM4qugUJwirOc2Yqua2urxIwCh93SCg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.5] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:21:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:21:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <645368.74893.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Coming into equipment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=JnwNPZ4ePO121nlrOmoZfPWIwCRY7T8DhIBU5OkOc5I X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > On Oct 12, 2008, at 5:43 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > > > The only worry is that LPB is gone and if the > transformer hoses you > > are out of luck. > > Peter Dahl - Harbach Electronics can't wind you up > another one? It hasn't happened but if it fails, it's likely something very catastrophic happened and it might be less expensive to replace. After Peter sold out due to illness, I don't know what turn around time is. You need it to be instantly almost, not like 6 weeks. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 15:28:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35348 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 22:28:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 22:28:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 22:28:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 48423 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2008 22:28:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Otxr5ewVM1lBhGMj6IrLRzfw2qPco1PBel4rl4ZmDCCzrJu5G58iM4Uv6FtGxXEzLcZonNQGZJnlYLgPpdJBHddYIS.CQgE9PNzqCSLrwZiTPrA4fRRo.wZFAf7mSZGxZUvpbZEN8LV8wbHeAgbbaslBywrc_z9IA1xdxmVHTXUBgHxvB4ci52dHlw-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.5] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:28:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:28:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9B6CFE89-7C79-4F4C-B199-AF22AC1433D2@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <625420.47828.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} ARS Studio Help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ngfavv38bU3nGVNK1Hlrep0BsNMnDIxcBvYv7zyckEw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > > > What is this? > > I want to try ARS Studio for WCKI, but it comes up for a > split second > and crashes into a horrible death. Still haven't told me what it is. powell From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Oct 12 15:30:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82302 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 22:30:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 22:30:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-0708.google.com) (64.233.178.247) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 22:30:03 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 55so787078hsc.14 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:30:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.65.159.9 with SMTP id l9mr9007827qbo.39.1223850602840; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.88? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s35sm8089619qbs.13.2008.10.12.15.30.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <49E2A519-84D0-4347-AF55-046E71D2432D@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <645368.74893.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:29:58 -0400 References: <645368.74893.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Coming into equipment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=9ryoBQ30ErJrKelfjK_2lYmoGOJfEln9jVmsMenBDorir_CihoqkXBkKQo9RZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 12, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > After Peter sold out due to illness, I don't know what turn around > time is. You need it to be instantly almost, not like 6 weeks. I am not sure as I have not needed a transformer since he sold. When I needed the Modulation Transformer for my BTA-1R, he had it on the shelf. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Oct 12 15:30:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52735 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 22:30:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 22:30:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hs-out-0708.google.com) (64.233.178.246) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 22:30:54 -0000 X-Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id l65so683138hsc.6 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:30:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.65.20.18 with SMTP id x18mr9023594qbi.28.1223850654028; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.88? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s35sm8089619qbs.13.2008.10.12.15.30.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <56403BDD-AA7B-41FE-A968-62D7B7EA5586@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <625420.47828.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:30:51 -0400 References: <625420.47828.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.178.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} ARS Studio Help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=P77tj5jZmvoMTNm8-cv0XqRe1xNrk6hmDa-YfWYl84Jc2JAXQw8djIfbEWqquA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 12, 2008, at 6:28 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > Still haven't told me what it is. Automation Software for Mac. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 15:37:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97573 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2008 22:37:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2008 22:37:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2008 22:37:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37983 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2008 22:37:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BHet_c0VM1nNmzMMijMM_V9AwBazLEuTdCJjZirXffMXzDDQ8K2DKA.rGmtw53N4atUh7Ly3s5gGp.2B7J2LuF_ZMVKVwbhRrEe3NFmwxkGw0iF6N9BA_8bd2FPkNAYbyC.RxV54kHFah6bsyM_AXgjC1KOXARouI2hBunlQIv4AIbDHq6Upa_jnBQ-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.5] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:37:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:37:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <56403BDD-AA7B-41FE-A968-62D7B7EA5586@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <180922.37607.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} ARS Studio Help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=v2FH89XRMmd37jNIRoOORRZw11mAd9fVRn12Emy6SgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > On Oct 12, 2008, at 6:28 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > > > Still haven't told me what it is. > > Automation Software for Mac. I didn't find anything on the web. There is a demo version of Radiologik DJ you can look at. Then there is MegaSeg. I think they are both toys, though MegaSeg is too expensive to have far too many features. RadioLogik will run but nag you every 15 minutes. MegaSeg will quit and you will have to restart. Powell From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Oct 13 09:28:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34024 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2008 16:28:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2008 16:28:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 16:28:19 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d6a.37cb502b (37038) for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:28:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB028-90ae48f3771427a; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:28:04 -0400 X-Received: from MBLK-M06 (mblk-m06.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.39]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA015-5c4748f3770d4d; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:27:57 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:27:57 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <479218.31205.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.39) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:27:57 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAFB67C8F52085-F5C-333@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=TafBcjI4pSyhsUxGuYupvuAenWiMpC6BVFscszB2h6PKyvUiYM1yB1kJSsRP9PXS X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Professional engineers are licensed by the states.? Most engineers are not registered or licensed professional engineers.? An engineering license is required when practicing engineering in a legal or regulated context such as certifying drawings or specifications, inspections, or providing expert testimony.? It is unlawful to engage in the practice of engineering with a state license. Most practicing engineers are not professional engineers, but rather are employed under what is known as the "Industry Exemption".? If they are graduates of engineering colleges, they are sometimes referred to as graduate engineers.? In times past, and to a limited extent today, not all engineers had engineering degrees. I began in radio broadcasting before I graduated from engineering school.? Although I had the title, my qualification was holding a First Class Radiotelephone license issued by the FCC.? In my experience, few "engineers" employed in radio actually had engineering degrees.? By engineer, I am referring to those who performed the technical work associated with broadcasting in terms of operating, maintaining, or installing broadcast equipment.? These individuals typically learned their trade through experience usually beginning with the military.? Almost universally, they were ham radio operators. Consultants were another matter.? They practiced radio engineering which involved the design of broadcast facilities and doing proof of performance measurements.? In my experience, these were all state licensed professional engineers in addition to holding First Class Radiotelephone licenses issued by the FCC. Although not related to radio, I did provide testimony in the form of an expert report along with a senior engineer.? In fact, he was a professor emiritus of engineering.? When doing the legal details of licenses, it was discovered that a rather unique individual by the name of Fred Leutcher did not have one.? That was the beginning of his demise. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:30 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? NNNN > > Believe what you want. I have 200 people that will tell you > from > empirical evidence that your signal does not travel as far > and sounds > worse when you cut off C-QUAM. Hearsay. > I am an engineer. A real one, not a radio station operator. > My > engineering license came from California and it is number > 152370 and > it expires 1/2013, I can tell you that you are not right. You are not a radio engineer. Your license is not accepted by the FCC because it is not a radio license. I have one of those, but the paper I think got destroyed in the fire in 2006. > FM has that > issue, C-QUAM does not. FM range drops when you have > stereo. That is > a stone cold fact. AM Stereo really does make you sound > better and > your signal goes farther. That is a stone cold fact also. No it is not. And FM mono goes farther for reasons not related to RF. FM mono does not have muliptath problems (as bad anyway) for the same reason. Powell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Oct 13 11:05:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58847 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2008 18:05:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2008 18:05:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s23.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.95) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 18:05:09 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.19]) by bay0-omc1-s23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:04:46 -0700 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:04:45 -0700 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.111 by BLU108-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:04:39 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:04:39 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2008 18:04:45.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[2CA33900:01C92D5E] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Happy Thanksgiving X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=Fz1Hz_BzQ6PON1XgtXUhMCkVp0iq1xT6ikd2zNHYX2HN5Uf3ZlWN5U1U5fo X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy Thanksgiving to all Canadian friends and posters! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Mon Oct 13 11:09:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27137 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2008 18:09:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2008 18:09:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 18:09:43 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail09.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.149]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABERHDYXAPESCZJ for (sender ); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:09:25 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD7o8UBgHGxxzM9KmU162d9s= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail09.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NXEDD48P; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:08:48 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.240.24] by webmail09.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:07:56 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:07:56 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081013.110756.19930.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:1:712309713 X-MAIL-INFO:21eb6ebffb5a37bb5a3b2efb3b07f7aa37aa335efebeabdeab07aa1a27af9a3a X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.149|webmail09.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Happy Thanksgiving X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=VPfoiVtDOhF-qbIvrO3lKN_NNJ2rTM0CTO07duyS6w X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn A donation has been made in your name to: "The Human Fund" -- "Donn Tillman" wrote: Happy Thanksgiving to all Canadian friends and posters! From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Oct 13 11:10:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44532 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2008 18:10:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2008 18:10:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 18:10:42 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c3c.4252acff (37132) for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:10:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA026-910c48f38f19f4; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:10:33 -0400 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MZ17 (webmail-mz17.sim.aol.com [64.12.81.98]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA011-5baa48f38f152af; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:10:29 -0400 References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:10:29 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39155-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MZ17.sysops.aol.com (64.12.81.98) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:10:29 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAFB761C0C0C4E-1550-15EB@WEBMAIL-MZ17.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Happy Thanksgiving X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=4PhuyaDlopa7UGEHO5N7pqkip6k_LhZcvi3jFEp1Pa0x3SrXhSBHzm0UeN-o41IG X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am dumb.? Does Canada celebrate Thanksgiving on a different date?? What's also pecular is I was in York on the 4th of July and the Brits didn't have any celebration. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Donn Tillman To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 1:04 pm Subject: {AMSF} Happy Thanksgiving Happy Thanksgiving to all Canadian friends and posters! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 11:41:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90247 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2008 18:41:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2008 18:41:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.225) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2008 18:41:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 57738 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2008 18:41:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: i7ul3XwVM1mXJU9r5zerDb1u6wx_ymMyP1qFCOzym2pX0jhNKzYDdSoYMINzcI2PmiyFGzjq0qO9lND7VTWuwEOdLsjk2n7.BtHvY_Jlfv54hHEmHbmLeM4Vbw7lziEyxbXJCmSM0KNOSKdgw38dGBrk_YbdhUCQvRmDNmA- X-Received: from [64.222.40.4] by web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:41:33 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:41:33 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2855.56857.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Good news but we have to be patient. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=R8IbQQDi_9HoHdyH99iRSaaD4ScWOLpNCXviRuAVzyxP0PpHCQLW X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I received a reply e-mail from Bob Bittner today.=A0 He does plan to resume= broadcasting in stereo but it won't be soon he said.=A0 I wish we could do= something for him as his station sounds good when I'm around Boston. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Oct 13 17:43:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48574 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2008 00:43:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2008 00:43:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 00:43:30 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.197] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081013194316103173900011.0) with SMTP id <20081013194316103173900011> for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:43:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002f01c92d96$cc917980$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <556583.90279.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <013601c92b3e$579c5640$d503fea9@stodd> <76E01BB5-6050-4E75-88B2-9236DE98A069@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:43:16 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=HXL5uUCk5vdHZmFKZo3Q1OTn7WThy7Ya8f_nBbjAx0ybBfIzQvvg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Likely they'd charge an arm and a leg too. I'm attempting to do something the company won't spring for and I don't personally have that much to spend. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:06 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it time to call it a day? > My biggest sticking point in getting at least ONE of my stations > stereo is lack of cards 5, 9 and 10 for my 9100B. + You should be able to get them from http://optimod.am/ Kevin --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Oct 13 18:00:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99824 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2008 01:00:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2008 01:00:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 01:00:09 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.197] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081013195944102251200011.0) with SMTP id <20081013195944102251200011> for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:59:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00d301c92d99$19db04c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <2855.56857.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:59:44 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Good news but we have to be patient. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=C7-DyaTmZ4FBv3w-4vLxDadSjAYKnC1Od9W0al5aKL4lOztaFndE X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did he give you any indication of what he needed? If not, any chance you could talk to him again and find out? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: AMSF Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:41 PM I received a reply e-mail from Bob Bittner today. He does plan to resume broadcasting in stereo but it won't be soon he said. I wish we could do something for him as his station sounds good when I'm around Boston. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Oct 13 18:17:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11991 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2008 01:17:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2008 01:17:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 01:16:59 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.197] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081013201645101538400011.0) with SMTP id <20081013201645101538400011> for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:16:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <010f01c92d9b$7a5bff00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <210168.13477.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:16:45 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: equipment for Jay- was, Re: {AMSF} Burgers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=g78VK7CRrfPzkqwxWlSJPzOMztJbShXl0KQ8pe0DY5ukp6At8YfR X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm going from possibly faulty memory, but IIRC it's an 8 pot stereo board. I think the carton is sealed so I haven't seen the actual board but saw some literature on it somewhere. It was replaced with a full size 12000 series when Salem bought the station about ten years ago. Given its age I wouldn't guarantee it'll work right out of the box. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:38 AM Just did the search & couldn't find anything. I have to beg forgiveness of my ignorance & inquire what the 2000 ST is exactly. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 19:53:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80119 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2008 02:53:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2008 02:53:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.228) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 02:53:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66925 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Oct 2008 02:53:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: f5FijJkVM1lHb6ayZr8nekRKrbWfO1ze_GSqZ_1ovZfgNoWvfpuPLtjRzvLZ551uuYTvJTI_aC11DxVQrhYO2CHeD4f5h_bodXvAy3j_IL5dYR_9RN.KAKVmD_usHGbxBgpcbqtncfe8SBN8M6S2iE4TkknLTEWnSHh4O1n6ymulyyops_kZcw0NX9g- X-Received: from [64.222.40.4] by web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:53:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:53:26 -0700 (PDT) To: BobTheMusicMan7@aol.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <976542.66908.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=gaFSgCqHOkVsiEnT-bHDcZCJffLLaDKuDKnzT2j2pUSiRuHIxaLU X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob, one last thing:=A0 I am in an A.M. stereo radio e-mail list.=A0 I told= them the good news & they were wondering if there's any help that you coul= d use to expedite the process.=A0 We have a few engineers on our list. Thanks again, Jay Rogers --- On Mon, 10/13/08, BobTheMusicMan7@aol.com wro= te: From: BobTheMusicMan7@aol.com Subject: Re: Stereo To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 3:56 AM In a message dated 10/2/2008 6:34:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, a1asurfradio= @yahoo.com writes: I hope WJIB will be returning to stereo in the near future if it already ha= sn't (again, I can't hear the station here even though I tried before the l= ightning strike & after).=A0 It'd be a real shame for another station to be= in dull, lifeless mono.=A0 There are still radios out there & are being us= ed! Finally, would it be possible to get a tour of the station on a Saturday or= are the offices closed? Hello Jay- Hopefully, it'll be back in stereo... but not all that soon.=A0 It wasn't l= ightning, but rather work crews from N*Star who mistakenly put 600 volts on= to our regular 117v lines, and blew up a few things, including the AM stere= o transmitting device. Station is closed on Saturday.=A0 But really not much to see anyway, just o= ne room tucked away in a large building.=A0 I pop in and out of there on so= me weekdays, and its unpredictable (even to me) when I'll be there. But dur= ing weekdays, I have a helper who takes care of things. All the best, =A0 Bob New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movi= es, Events, News & more. Try it out!=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 05:43:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87903 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2008 12:42:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2008 12:42:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 12:42:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16930 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Oct 2008 12:42:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NanDC24VM1mGPb1IDuHuPc3nkVO1uKWqbePPfCxtzY1UR3su3Z0snUH4I9lviB2X5JTQUhKKluKkPU7OGQsNZQ384FQ0hjKUj8JL1iFelWpyddUoEOfcR3DNUW40PzKJT1d9kDhieqadyAPOYfR9LuWP X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 05:42:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 05:42:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <111807.16311.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=YzFnxwhHlhseFr6VapHurZwUYwkEqavmPXsPGA5TcfDNr_MKEEeL3dw X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Yep, our AM stereo friends in Canada celebrate Thanksgiving at harvest time on Columbus Day in October, as it probably was originally observed by the Pilgrims. They also celebrate Canada Day on July 1st. And, our good friends to the North also had quite a few excellent AM stereo stations! From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Oct 14 12:45:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87411 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2008 19:45:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2008 19:45:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s38.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.177) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 19:45:25 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W38 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s38.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:44:33 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:44:32 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: <111807.16311.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <111807.16311.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2008 19:44:33.0135 (UTC) FILETIME=[47E8BFF0:01C92E35] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Happy Thanksgiving X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=qwtKAb46SDvZJRoRbBdSzUiLF9rxze0S1XOU3ljCAQf1ilqdNJ_w-e6qy8Y X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I understand that CKLW used to have big music specials and promotions the first four days of July to celebrate, Canada day on the first, as well as the 4th of July. Is that true or just another myth? Another holiday there is not really observed south of the border is Boxing Day, on the 26th of December. Some "snowbird" friends enjoy two Thanksgiving celebrations, the Canadian Thanksgiving in October and then arrive here about a week before the U.S. Thanksgiving to stay for the winter. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: toledohamradio@yahoo.comDate: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 05:42:50 -0700Subject: {AMSF} Re: Happy Thanksgiving Yep, our AM stereo friends in Canada celebrate Thanksgiving at harvest time on Columbus Day in October, as it probably was originally observed by the Pilgrims.They also celebrate Canada Day on July 1st. And, our good friends to the North also had quite a few excellent AM stereo stations! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Oct 19 14:18:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42513 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2008 21:17:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2008 21:17:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s29.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.168) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2008 21:17:56 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W37 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s29.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:17:57 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:17:56 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2008 21:17:57.0111 (UTC) FILETIME=[28346070:01C93230] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: testing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=G-n6S0NJB4mHMG4tjxjFU_oICE7t4idvoa8mjUg-uw4BIomLDaOQt88Uxsw X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a test, if this had been an actual emergency..................... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Oct 19 14:24:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 463 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2008 21:24:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2008 21:24:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.235) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2008 21:24:32 -0000 X-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h26so669121wxd.9 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:24:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.65.191.10 with SMTP id t10mr3909595qbp.17.1224451471963; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 25sm7028998qbw.1.2008.10.19.14.24.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:24:25 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} testing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=t1lvIqNfTi1v1ILxiuR8uIwljgynLp6OrMRzEZr8bEyZZ6uagZuOjIjNN93cnA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 19, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > This is a test, if this had been an actual > emergency..................... You would have heard instructions from your local Department Of Homeland defense on HOW to Duck and tuck your Head between your Legs and Kiss Your Ass Goodbye! This Station serves the Greenville South Carolina Operational Area. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 19:11:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39859 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2008 02:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2008 02:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 02:11:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6913 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Oct 2008 02:11:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JRJIk4MVM1nblUd7Gu2IkQvgcbg.Xdae33f_O3i2yHleGbUZJ70xIgdVZEW4_zW3uUZ6XX42YxUvz.bpgxmqJ7Z93CtRT6NZadBFiptqVVa4Zc2_QgR1pUMdfhTn5f90XlNJfdhg0iUcTHNnGLzmkIOdqhjRHyIL1tGVCeWeNuzgunRRj9u.1H9.BGVj X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:11:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:11:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <256371.2027.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} testing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=-y59xbTOW17CGFY9KjEF3Vm6EFfM6P5H91AwaJ2kZ3__Rw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 You guys just brought back a question that used to haunt me. Back when I was a DJ (you know, back when the rocks hadn't quite cooled yet!), we had a green cart on a shelf, behind a piece of clear tape, with a dire warning of what would happen to us if ANY DJ got caught even removing it from the shelf without "authorization" from the big cheese. I asked if anyone knew what was on that cart, and of course, nobody had ever played it, or even knew who recorded it. All anybody knew was what the boss told them, that it was only to be played in the event of a national emergency, such as war with Russia. Did any of you guys have similar carts where you worked? After all these years, I still wonder... George --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} testing > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 5:24 PM > On Oct 19, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Donn Tillman wrote: > > > This is a test, if this had been an actual > > emergency..................... > > You would have heard instructions from your local > Department Of > Homeland defense on HOW to Duck and tuck your Head between > your Legs > and Kiss Your Ass Goodbye! This Station serves the > Greenville South > Carolina Operational Area. > > Kevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Oct 19 22:47:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82013 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2008 05:47:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2008 05:47:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.59) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 05:47:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80038 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Oct 2008 05:47:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XE1ZwMEVM1kuuiofg._5NrrTNtbmpTTh2W_81njGYTRKNFznHk0KA7EOvYQTWkazWWL6TQ3hduJrD102z9dfCzjRY1ZSDQoN4412X1QABAGsVVSfvkuYg9BX3I7IX6OulgABd4p84hcBufSS_3F5_grEr6QNnBqDZBlOrjSi1zfzWFk- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:47:48 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:47:48 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <897046.79975.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.59 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=4X1RfhfmWfdxn4_vq0ORimo0m_vKkdPS2OZ0MAttULNDd4kgpJTb X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Ok guys lets start a conversation about professional headphones. I personally am an old schooler although i'm only 34. I prefer the Koss Pro4AA. What do you guys think about this model? I'm open to discussion. The one thing I've noticed with Koss is they require a good bit of juice with that high 250 ohm rating but once you give it to them they are screamers. I also like that new pair the Koss Pro4AAAT which is totally silver in color. It is a descendent of the Pro4AAA which I think has been discontinued. It was the one from the mid 70's that looked a little prettier than the Pro4AA. My reasons for liking Koss are these. For one if they break that no questions asked warranty is hard to beat. I've read and known folks who had 20 year old pairs that failed under heavy use. They mailed them in and Koss sent a new pair out. Cannot beat that with a stick. That and the other reason is well....you can't kill em! They are built well with the metal brackets. I loved Sony's in the past but I got so tired of spending good money on Sony's when their earcups fail big time. My skin is oily so it breaks down that fake leather faster than it would on others. It starts flaking off and that always drove me nuts. I think Sony needs to take a look at redooing their earcups because they are the worst I've encountered. If they'd do that their headphones wouldn't be so bad. Another failure high on sony's are the headband which is all plastic usually except some have the metal inner band. That doesnt help though when the actual piece that is on the phone itself is plastic. They simply break down. I wish they didn't because they have some good sounding headphones. My only gripe is Sony's sometime tend to be overly bassy. Koss has plenty of Bass and its true bass not that boomy junk. Now on the other hand I've listened to Senheisers and I used to use those in the church while I run sound and I have to admit they are light and comfortable but again.....plastic headbands. I also like the Grado 60's. They are pretty decent headphones. I guess I just need ones that are well constructed and hold up to frequent use. Ok so enough of my soapbox, what are you guys ideas on headphones and models? Perhaps theres a gem out there that I've never used? I'd love to know. Just trying to stimulate some good audio conversation. -Kevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 07:19:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8439 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2008 14:19:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2008 14:19:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 14:19:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49341 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Oct 2008 14:19:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8xh.b54VM1nKXZqxZIcVoN85VEQNP2kXdjJEHk3jqobMEh5GloGV7bsHnEEmLHLw2e.jGL7ZDzPQtIcv0fysKNCr2UA135X8W6HOZOMaDB62VSnYnt7SV1ei3Ig6P2yRsk5mWV5ipnwOvNYvseHJuW5xH5W3lHlKpG_1B5wELh3m37d0hs1rY41ulg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.88] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:19:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:19:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <897046.79975.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <773878.49124.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=9mFrKPaMQ1rTmwkWLpoy_ca6w1713IXmBiyF1TRaHiY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Inline comments. NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 10/20/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > Ok guys lets start a conversation about professional > headphones. I personally am an old schooler although > i'm only 34. I prefer the Koss Pro4AA. What do you > guys think about this model? EXCELLENT headphones, but heavy on your head. NOT good if you have tons of hair going over your ears. Bass response, and honest bass that will pop your ears out. I wish Sennheiser made some of their line of headphones that were modular....as in the cords, etc just plugged in. I still have my pair of HD-424's and the ear muffs just pop on and off. They are still available. The less expensive line for on air use was brought back a few years ago. We have a pair in a back room with no ear muff and messed up cord that works. I think I will call Sennheiser and get muffs and a new cord. Duh, they didn't want to use them. Jimmy GM / Owner @ WKDK ordered some Audio Technica headphones in a 3 pack. They LOOK nice, but they are horridly uncomfortable and sound equally bad. The AKG-240's have been made for years and they sound decent. I have a pair of Sony MDR-7506. AMAZINGLY good sound, but they do look a bit fragile. Sony does give you a complete schematic and how to take apart and re assemble them. They ARE very efficient. For an inxepensive cheapo the KTX-PRO by Koss can't be built, but it seems they are no longer made. I see them on eBay. Radio Shack sold them as the Pro-35. Shockingly wide response, and just amazing bass. Good for your AMS portable. > I'm open to discussion. > The one thing I've noticed with Koss is they require a > good bit of juice with that high 250 ohm rating but once you > give it to them they are screamers. I also like that new > pair the Koss Pro4AAAT which is totally silver in color. It > is a descendent of the Pro4AAA which I think has been > discontinued. It was the one from the mid 70's that > looked a little prettier than the Pro4AA. I loved the AA's. I had. I then got some AAA's back in the 70's or whenever they came out. They were as BAD as the AA's were good. The bass was "boxy" and boomy" and the highs were well not as good either. I hope they fixed that problem in the AAAT's. My reasons for > liking Koss are these. For one if they break that no > questions asked warranty is hard to beat. I've read and > known folks who had 20 year old pairs that failed under > heavy use. They mailed them in and Koss sent a new pair > out. Cannot beat that with a stick. That and the other > reason is well....you can't kill em! They are built > well with the metal brackets. That is true. And Koss sent me the foam middle piece for my AA's no question asked. I loved Sony's in the past but I got so > tired of spending good money on Sony's when their > earcups fail big time. My skin is oily so it breaks down > that fake leather faster than it would on others. It starts > flaking off and that always drove me nuts. I think Sony > needs to take a look at redooing their earcups because they > are the worst I've encountered. If they'd do that > their headphones wouldn't be so bad. Another failure > high on sony's are the headband which is all plastic > usually except some have the metal inner band. That doesnt > help though when the actual piece that is on the phone > itself is plastic. They simply break down. I wish they > didn't because they have some good sounding headphones. > My only gripe is Sony's sometime tend to be overly > bassy. You are right about the Sony's being flimsy. And the 7506 isn't overly bassy. What model do you have. Now with the the ear insulation IS oil filled...or some fluid. Koss has plenty of Bass and its true bass not that > boomy junk. Now on the other hand I've listened to > Senheisers and I used to use those in the church while I run > sound and I have to > admit they are light and comfortable but again.....plastic > headbands. I have never been able to destroy Sennheisers, but you can purchase parts on the ones I had. They ARE open air, and you MUST NEVER have the headphone volume up to high when you are on the air, or you will get ear splitting feedback. Guess how I know this... eeeeeyowwwwwwww.... I also like the Grado 60's. I have never tried the Grado headphones. Powell From wa2fnq@optonline.net Mon Oct 20 09:21:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57894 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2008 16:21:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2008 16:21:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 16:21:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2008 16:21:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2008 16:21:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:21:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <897046.79975.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=fYUWXQXd3AKcuXE571eBhR4-7zxpp6P4tBbsD7XNhXRB X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke =20 wrote: > I loved Sony's in the past but I got so tired of spending good=20 money on Sony's when their earcups fail big time. My skin is oily so=20 it breaks down that fake leather faster than it would on others. It=20 starts flaking off and that always drove me nuts. I think Sony needs=20 to take a look at redooing their earcups because they are the worst=20 I've encountered. If they'd do that their headphones wouldn't be so=20 bad. >=20 I've had the same problem with Audio Technica and others. It's VERY=20 annoying. I love it when I come upstairs from my studio and the wife=20 says "You've got headphone all over your head". Err.... Jerry From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Oct 20 09:52:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58729 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2008 16:52:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2008 16:52:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f15.google.com) (209.85.217.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 16:52:02 -0000 X-Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so4636322gxk.3 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:52:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.78.10 with SMTP id a10mr7575946agb.66.1224521521483; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.144? (66-191-213-175.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm9048849agb.38.2008.10.20.09.51.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6F3CC61C-AA30-4653-B5F0-AFC89D825FB4@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <897046.79975.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:51:56 -0400 References: <897046.79975.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=sGcT1g-e2fp0qGK3cy6Pdo1uWTxZabsL3f1qYKkbFl-ZlV-zGv96HEhQ2FlV2g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 20, 2008, at 1:47 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Ok so enough of my soapbox, what are you guys ideas on headphones > and models? I like the Koss Pro4AAA EVERYBODY used them back in the days, and there is stack of reasons why. Another set of Cans I really like are the Pioneer SE-405s. Yup, Back in the Day Pioneer actually made GOOD STUFF. The SE-405s are about 1976 Vintage and have been worn out and rebuilt many times. I love the sound of them, and they don't give you loads of feedback when you are on a live mic. Possum From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Oct 20 10:09:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91339 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2008 17:09:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2008 17:09:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f18.google.com) (209.85.217.18) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 17:09:09 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f18.google.com with SMTP id 11so3863144gxk.15 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:09:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.31.6 with SMTP id e6mr7621723age.19.1224522549484; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.144? (66-191-213-175.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 36sm9070530aga.10.2008.10.20.10.09.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:09:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6C2EB5A7-A1FC-4634-BB0C-99DFC2E61507@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <256371.2027.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:08:58 -0400 References: <256371.2027.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} testing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=-M5zJm1GV9nO-6rcc81HcsvnzcmQcMcLJ8E-Kr5FQYQd_JHLQob4ntJi5aNySQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 19, 2008, at 10:11 PM, george russell wrote: > Did any of you guys have similar carts where you worked? > After all these years, I still wonder... YUP! and I can tell you what was on it! For those REAL WTSHTF National Emergencies in the station EBS packet there was a sheet you had to read on the air, after the alert was authenticated. Many stations pre- recorded that and had it on Cart. When the wording changed, *I* had to record the new Emergency Cart. Well, put me in a Production Room at night and I am GONNA play. We had one of those Shure M-67 Mic mixers like EVERY radio had that had gone bad but the GM wouldn't let me fix it, he just got a new one. The old one had so much distortion in it, it sounded like a bunch of Bees in a Well bucket. I used the old RCA 44-BX Mic into that Shure mixer then into an EQ to record the new message. I used a Plate Reverb to put in just a touch of Pre and Post Echo, then CRUSHED the audio with a BL-40. The end result sounded like an over-modulated Ampli-fuzz transmitter in a Halloween movie! LOL Hey, National Emergencies are supposed to be scary, right? I just KNEW the GM would make me re-do it, but he never said a word. I reckon nobody ever played that Cart! Kevin From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 13:51:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71962 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2008 20:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2008 20:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.244) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 20:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2008 20:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2008 20:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2008 20:51:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:51:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6F3CC61C-AA30-4653-B5F0-AFC89D825FB4@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.41 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=YCapPGGAPgNbGPdZkIjS4ZTnHcDxIoLJ3ZKSPp3YVKDgjd0oBA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > >=20 > On Oct 20, 2008, at 1:47 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: >=20 > > Ok so enough of my soapbox, what are you guys ideas on=20 headphones=20=20 > > and models? >=20 > I like the Koss Pro4AAA EVERYBODY used them back in the days, and=20=20 > there is stack of reasons why. Another set of Cans I really like=20 are=20=20 > the Pioneer SE-405s. Yup, Back in the Day Pioneer actually made=20 GOOD=20=20 > STUFF. The SE-405s are about 1976 Vintage and have been worn out=20 and=20=20 > rebuilt many times. I love the sound of them, and they don't give=20 you=20=20 > loads of feedback when you are on a live mic. >=20 > Possum > Here, in Chile, poor side of the world, headphones aren't the main=20 issue at all, BUT I LOVE MY PIONNER SE-M250!!! Not professional, but=20 a very strong and nice sound, from the floor bass notes to the top=20 of your mind. But... I'm not sure if AM sounds good with headphones with=20 the "standard" AM receivers. ??? LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Oct 20 13:54:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98808 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2008 20:54:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2008 20:54:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f19.google.com) (209.85.217.19) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 20:54:29 -0000 X-Received: by gxk12 with SMTP id 12so4246678gxk.22 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:54:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.117.20 with SMTP id p20mr7903262agc.2.1224536068761; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.144? (66-191-213-175.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 38sm9467954aga.4.2008.10.20.13.54.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <143096DA-521E-4961-BD57-A206A6746C90@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:54:24 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.19 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=hyu9ZbdZ0apjiSaMUcd0DrML-R8uLbsdAhgOiqwxKMZN5CzThoB6WEywI-bX1g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 20, 2008, at 4:51 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > But... I'm not sure if AM sounds good with headphones with the > "standard" AM receivers. ??? Oh yes. My Kenwood R-1000 sounds SWEET in the wideband mode with good Cans. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 15:47:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2707 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2008 22:47:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2008 22:47:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2008 22:47:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 51962 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Oct 2008 22:47:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: sFiMWlEVM1midxk992ybDz678.AgfcRWHojJ2Oc57o6tCemFcK85VozK2PSmD1CBFsCZi5bH9Zjy.ZbSuRdg6GCT_LEr9bgetY5DMkIIeGQpPpCF.eTvqqNvb4kv70T72GHr6cUtRlVR1WPEIBIjiCbbukaSm6GacqaxhMWxt_o309Jl8Z.DL0rUxMMq X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:47:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:47:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6C2EB5A7-A1FC-4634-BB0C-99DFC2E61507@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <353987.49187.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} testing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=kSefPXo7fGvYXnlis1e0Cmt2dTId0MsxZUtfDK0VhAgNBA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Ah, thank you! Doesn't seem like it should be a big secret, but then our station owner WAS a bit melodramatic...he tried to run over his wife several times with his Caddy! It got so bad, the PPO on him required him to run his station from across the state line! I better stop there, I don't want anybody that remembers such an incident revealing the call sign, hah-hah! But feel free to guess...winner gets a fully-autographed picture of the Last Supper gang... George --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} testing > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 1:08 PM > On Oct 19, 2008, at 10:11 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Did any of you guys have similar carts where you > worked? > > After all these years, I still wonder... > > YUP! and I can tell you what was on it! For those REAL > WTSHTF National > Emergencies in the station EBS packet there was a sheet you > had to > read on the air, after the alert was authenticated. Many > stations pre- > recorded that and had it on Cart. When the wording changed, > *I* had to > record the new Emergency Cart. > > Well, put me in a Production Room at night and I am GONNA > play. We had > one of those Shure M-67 Mic mixers like EVERY radio had > that had gone > bad but the GM wouldn't let me fix it, he just got a > new one. The old > one had so much distortion in it, it sounded like a bunch > of Bees in a > Well bucket. I used the old RCA 44-BX Mic into that Shure > mixer then > into an EQ to record the new message. I used a Plate Reverb > to put in > just a touch of Pre and Post Echo, then CRUSHED the audio > with a > BL-40. The end result sounded like an over-modulated > Ampli-fuzz > transmitter in a Halloween movie! LOL Hey, National > Emergencies are > supposed to be scary, right? I just KNEW the GM would make > me re-do > it, but he never said a word. I reckon nobody ever played > that Cart! > > Kevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 21:55:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7782 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2008 04:55:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2008 04:55:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 04:55:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46842 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Oct 2008 04:55:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BXvDmtcVM1mfPeViwNMt3X5oc3nbSlJ4any8xVjSqn3bhUvAMbDvq4Mg0OqDCACdRQ-- X-Received: from [72.241.176.83] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:55:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:55:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <395489.46708.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: testing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=HceNEj5R8SegrZt39Akr2UHYbX29JDsMEQbbTu_CGyD0IIKsb6yY_3w X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Used to be a red EBS envelope on the wall with the password/checkword to verify the attack warnings, but don't recall a cart. Anybody want to buy an EBS dual-tone generator -ready to mount in your rack and scare your neighbors? I've got one, generator works, AM tuner works, but tone decoder doesn't appear to be decoding the pair. John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Oct 20 23:02:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47407 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2008 06:02:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2008 06:02:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 06:02:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 65188 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Oct 2008 06:02:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Dazh6vsVM1mlnHaWHxAZIykiMgR6rgMluVJnhxtzyltWftDBbuZ4ipQIZCTY9EZL6fohaz_1ndpinJV2JrDWALosGiUVaXEnAF80ieT0ZeZspj.KOsD37TZMN1EBpWu5kon_djJ58sQID1vBnvTlYwC284r3wUWClFFrIPqrmccGpsc- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:02:49 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:02:49 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <143096DA-521E-4961-BD57-A206A6746C90@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <894603.65159.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=lUj0iKJ_KeeyJWJjvHXdmltcnsA2636PKPw7A899c8gBVyp5wn7N X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with what everyone has said. The Koss's as long as you got a tight = seal with the earcups you have deep clean bass that doesnt distort.=A0 They= sound well balanced.=A0 At first it took a while to get used to the tightn= ess and weigh of them but once you do they are great.=A0 I do think the sil= ver look of those 4AAAT's look nice.=A0 Those are here: =A0 http://www.koss.com/koss/kossweb.nsf/p?openform&pc^fs^PRO4AAAT =A0 and of course the old standby: =A0 http://www.koss.com/koss/kossweb.nsf/p?openform&pc^fs^PRO4AA =A0 They both should sound about the same.=A0 The specs are almost identical wi= th the exception of 98 db SPL for the 4AAAT and 95 db SPL for the 4AA. The = newer 4AA looks like the one in the smaller pictures.=A0 They discontinued = that silver ring near the earmuff where the headband connects.=A0 It was ju= st silver paint on the plastic.=A0 I think that older silver trim looked be= tter though.=A0 The newer ones also have a rubberrized plug versus the olde= r plastic screw kind you could replace yourself.=A0 I suppose if it went ba= d you could still do that and get the plug replacement at Radio Shack but s= ince Koss replaces anything free might as well mail them in and get a new p= air.=A0 I've always heard that they never "fix" the pair you send in but ra= ther they mail you a new set right back out.=A0 I've heard this from more t= han a few people.=A0 They have the best warranty in the business and most o= f all they are American Made.=A0 We still have a few proud american made electronic items!=A0 If anyone does want to order a pair get them at www.j= r.com=A0 because they are $58.95 and shipping is included usually on that m= odel.=A0 You just cannot beat that price when you practically pay it once f= or a lifetime of headphone.=A0 It's still hard to believe their warranty is= that good but I've read and heard from way too many that they actually hon= or it.=A0 Shows some good old american pride in a product!=A0=20 =A0 -Kevin --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 4:54 PM On Oct 20, 2008, at 4:51 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > But... I'm not sure if AM sounds good with headphones with the=20 > "standard" AM receivers. ??? Oh yes. My Kenwood R-1000 sounds SWEET in the wideband mode with good=20 Cans. Kevin =20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Oct 21 14:25:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22874 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2008 21:25:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2008 21:25:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.25) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 21:25:11 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so822546qwe.41 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:25:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.214.115.9 with SMTP id n9mr13928161qac.84.1224624310919; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:25:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm4949193qwe.3.2008.10.21.14.25.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:25:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <951A4398-414F-45B0-A20A-E55AB2C6C1B1@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <894603.65159.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:25:07 -0400 References: <894603.65159.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=UdsXvKKBIIegng2gJiev3Yg-UIxPk2mYk1YQEE0y01FJmlQc7jsScE_aVYJ1RA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 21, 2008, at 2:02 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > I've always heard that they never "fix" the pair you send in but > rather they mail you a new set right back out. If it is current production, you are right. If obsolete like my Pro4AAAs they rebuild what you have. Kevin From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Oct 21 14:47:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47810 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2008 21:47:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2008 21:47:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 21:47:42 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.22] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081021164728101978200010.0) with SMTP id <20081021164728101978200010> for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:47:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001301c933c7$9bbe0580$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <894603.65159.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:47:28 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=jeRLMK4I1eHuUEi1WOnQiApfLCLe_Rqx_1AHujDQWWftTubGMyYM X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a pair of the original Pro-4A head crushers. The set my cousin Dick gave me sounded fantastic. When one of the drivers went bad I sent it in and, like you said, got a new pair. Unfortunately the bass was incredibly weak on the replacement pair so I rarely used them after that. The liquid in the ear cushions seems to have dried or leaked out since then too. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 1:02 AM since Koss replaces anything free might as well mail them in and get a new pair. I've always heard that they never "fix" the pair you send in but rather they mail you a new set right back out. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Tue Oct 21 16:03:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41369 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2008 23:03:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2008 23:03:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 23:03:56 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail07.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.147]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABER6Z7RA5MFR3A for (sender ); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:03:11 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD2DXHByy+4iLtYMRCLSKgII= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail07.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NX3HEV4H; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:03:10 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.240.24] by webmail07.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:01:52 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:01:52 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081021.160152.20279.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 3:4:2103203505 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.147|webmail07.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Election Night Radio Captioning X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=E_QIPb_XpfxW-gJ_iDLsS8FtIC23afk0pNKA89DgMA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn NPR Plans Election Night Radio Captioning =20 In what it calls a historic event, NPR plans to provide captioning data of = its election night audio coverage to benefit deaf and hard-of-hearing consu= mers. Several member stations will transmit the "captions" via HD Radio; NPR also= will feed captions to online users. NPR is calling this the "first ever li= ve captioned radio broadcast" and said that potentially millions of listene= rs could benefit, though mostly online, since the number of possible users = via radio receivers on election night will be limited to a few demo audienc= es to prove the concept. The technology uses HD Radio's data capacity to carry text data to be shown= live on a screen on future versions of HD Radio receivers. In an exclusive demo yesterday, I was able to see captioned text of CNN pro= gramming coming off a Web feed from WGBH in Boston to NPR and displayed on = an iBiquity Digital reference receiver =97 the same type of unit that publi= c radio stations in Boston, Baltimore and Denver will use in demos on elect= ion night as part of the captioned radio project. The election broadcast will be shown at private demos at NPR in Washington = and WTMD in Baltimore, WGBH in Boston and KCFR in Denver, where those stati= ons will air the data on their HD Radio signals. The demo at NPR will use W= AMU's HD Radio transmission of the captioned coverage. The broadcast also w= ill be carried online. Here's how the setup works: On election night, NPR will send WGBH an audio = feed to transcribe NPR's election coverage. WGBH will have "stenocaptioners= " listening with headphones to transcribe the feed; it will send the transc= ription back to NPR, which will then uplink the feed to participating stati= ons via the Public Radio Satellite System. The transcription also goes into= a Web server for Internet distribution. Online, listeners can answer survey questions about the display. Listeners = can also answer questions about the captioned audio display at the stations= participating in the private demos. The project is an effort involving NPR, Harris and Towson University under = the auspices of the International Center for Accessible Radio Technology, l= ocated at Towson, just outside Baltimore. NPR, Harris and Towson founded IC= ART in January. Towson houses the administrative and academic research offi= ce. NPR Labs provides tech R&D and software development, Harris supplies tr= ansmission and research support. A Harris official said HD Radio lets broad= casters provide captioned radio content: "We hope this soon will become as = commonplace as the closed-captioned content that is available to virtually = any television viewer in America." NPR's accessible radio project is backed by a grant from the National Insti= tute on Disability Rehabilitation and Research under the Department of Educ= ation.=20 From w6yn@juno.com Tue Oct 21 17:11:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79975 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 00:11:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 00:11:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 00:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail09.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.149]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABER657WA2KDJ72 for (sender ); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:11:32 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD21SP94vakzdaUVWPLMY/VE= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail09.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NX3MBV68; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:11:27 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.240.24] by webmail09.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:11:18 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:11:18 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081021.171118.23338.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:2052704310 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.149|webmail09.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: The word "fairness" is seductive X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=c_bSLUmgyikSAjbXufipvhcIfsZod6IMlUHftJNxjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn A Manifesto for Media Freedom If this issue returns I will have 12 lovely parcels of land for sale. Oh... the buyers will have to remove 12 dark am broadcast stations before t= urning the land to productive use.=20 Don't feel sorry for me. I purchased these sticks during the mid 80's for l= ess than what the land was worth at that time. This may be a good time to r= etire. Regretfully, because I will refuse to hire lawyers, several talente= d and loyal associates will have to take their 401K's and find employment e= lsewhere.=20 Don DEMS GET SET TO MUZZLE THE RIGHT By BRIAN C. ANDERSON SHOULD Barack Obama win the presidency and Democrats take full control of C= ongress, next year will see a real legislative attempt to bring back the Fa= irness Doctrine - and to diminish conservatives' influence on broadcast rad= io, the one medium they dominate. Yes, the Obama campaign said some months back that the candidate doesn't se= ek to re-impose this regulation, which, until Ronald Reagan's FCC phased it= out in the 1980s, required TV and radio broadcasters to give balanced airt= ime to opposing viewpoints or face steep fines or even loss of license. But= most Democrats - including party elders Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry and Al Go= re - strongly support the idea of mandating "fairness." Would a President Obama veto a new Fairness Doctrine if Congress enacted on= e? It's doubtful. The Fairness Doctrine was an astonishingly bad idea. It's a too-tempting po= wer for government to abuse. When the doctrine was in effect, both Democrat= ic and Republican administrations regularly used it to harass critics on ra= dio and TV. Second, a new Fairness Doctrine would drive political talk radio off the di= al. If a station ran a big-audience conservative program like, say, Laura I= ngraham's, it would also have to run a left-leaning alternative. But libera= ls don't do well on talk radio, as the failure of Air America and indeed al= l other liberal efforts in the medium to date show. Stations would likely t= rim back conservative shows so as to avoid airing unsuccessful liberal ones= . Then there's all the lawyers you'd have to hire to respond to the regulator= s measuring how much time you devoted to this topic or that. Too much risk = and hassle, many radio executives would conclude. Why not switch formats to= something less charged - like entertainment or sports coverage? For those who dismiss this threat to freedom of the airwaves as unlikely, c= onsider how the politics of "fairness" might play out with the public. A Ra= smussen poll last summer found that fully 47 percent of respondents backed = the idea of requiring radio and television stations to offer "equal amounts= of conservative and liberal political commentary," with 39 percent opposed= . Liberals, Rasmussen found, support a Fairness Doctrine by 54 percent to 26 = percent, while Republicans and unaffiliated voters were more evenly divided= . The language of "fairness" is seductive. Even with control of Washington and public support, Dems would have a big f= ight in passing a Fairness Doctrine. Rush Limbaugh & Co. wouldn't sit by id= ly and let themselves be regulated into silence, making the outcome of any = battle uncertain. But Obama and the Democrats also plan other, more subtle = regulations that would achieve much the same outcome. He and most Democrats want to expand broadcasters' public-interest duties. = One such measure would be to impose greater "local accountability" on them = - requiring stations to carry more local programming whether the public wan= ts it or not. The reform would entail setting up community boards to make t= heir demands known when station licenses come up for renewal. The measure i= s clearly aimed at national syndicators like Clear Channel that offer conse= rvative shows. It's a Fairness Doctrine by subterfuge. Obama also wants to relicense stations every two years (not eight, as is th= e case now), so these monitors would be a constant worry for stations. Fina= lly, the Democrats also want more minority-owned stations and plan to inter= vene in the radio marketplace to ensure that outcome. It's worth noting, as Jesse Walker does in the latest Reason magazine, that= Trinity Church, the controversial church Obama attended for many years, is= heavily involved in the media-reform movement, having sought to restore th= e Fairness Doctrine, prevent media consolidation and deny licenses to stati= ons that refuse to carry enough children's programming. Regrettably, media freedom hasn't been made an issue by the McCain campaign= , perhaps because the maverick senator is himself no fan of unbridled polit= ical speech, as his long support of aggressive campaign-finance regulation = underscores. But the threat to free speech is real - and profoundly disturb= ing. Brian C. Anderson is editor of City Journal and co-author, with Adam Thiere= r, of "A Manifesto for Media Freedom," just out from Encounter Books. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Oct 21 18:44:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96644 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 01:43:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 01:43:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 01:43:57 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.22] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081021204348102864300010.0) with SMTP id <20081021204348102864300010> for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:43:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <007201c933e8$9f9d86a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20081021.171118.23338.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:43:48 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} The word "fairness" is seductive X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=_9G2z4GWGatTlQzJ2IhLvff9TDFd6EtzFd_y_-KWd0cBOUEUctaO X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think we've pretty much hashed politics to death here, but it would be instructive to say be careful of what you wish for as you just might get it. The unstated implication is the law of unintended consequences will bring about something neither anticipated or wanted rather than your imagined Garden of Eden. For those who think sports talk is a waste of time, get ready for more of it if political talk goes away. Might be a few other formats such as business news, but probably not much else. Got a suggestion for you, Don- keep a few of your stations alive and LMA them to the "community boards." When they say they don't like your programming let them have a first-hand experience trying to make real radio work. If they screw everything up, and likely they will, there's really no loss. Take the stations dark later and maybe the land will increase in value even more. You could even write a book about the whole mess and it could be a best seller. Talk about win-win! Please send me a copy when it's published. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com If this issue returns I will have 12 lovely parcels of land for sale. Oh... the buyers will have to remove 12 dark am broadcast stations before turning the land to productive use. DEMS GET SET TO MUZZLE THE RIGHT --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Oct 21 18:45:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16269 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 01:45:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 01:45:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 01:45:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 67354 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2008 01:45:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: a6sltXgVM1lcopzPI3OTTnm94gDQsw8Tg7mVh2UdgfHdibP.ymfDjle4bJvmEOnVwcC5Kluf7.7L3lowL9HHdJ98biFiohCLNjBvNP0bhhkdjszPtNTHZ_P8hi9eZf1ZH6atER6hONdFa44aL6ZPyAoK2KGzUDLYbxN_uDajw.PMGbI- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:45:24 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:45:24 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001301c933c7$9bbe0580$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <606855.66216.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=dwcmcfG38g958QYoDusFn5Oc6FI_DnTBPZPbvjvOkc33rCAEZp6U X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Cushions are key to getting that deep bass and the Pro 4AA's are high o= hms at 250 ohms so u need some juice.=A0 If you have both you're good.=A0 Y= ou have to make sure you adjust the set to your ears correctly and make sur= e you have a complete seal on your ears and the bass will shine but not be = over emphasized. =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Tue, 10/21/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wro= te: From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 5:47 PM I have a pair of the original Pro-4A head crushers. The set my cousin Dick = gave me sounded fantastic. When one of the drivers went bad I sent it in an= d, like you said, got a new pair. Unfortunately the bass was incredibly wea= k on the replacement pair so I rarely used them after that. The liquid in t= he ear cushions seems to have dried or leaked out since then too. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 1:02 AM since Koss replaces anything free might as well mail them in and get a new = pair. I've always heard that they never "fix" the pair you send in but rath= er they mail you a new set right back out.=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Oct 21 18:46:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95684 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 01:46:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 01:46:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 01:46:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50962 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2008 01:46:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: exeT_bQVM1nsFu.FUl8lrIbD1Os3u.ktF5QvwiMrPf6OcADbmGhzvooG1r0mxuw8rwASycmgJyKNsjxCAP90QAqJe0fA4ZM3MNBiVgYZYLQ.bavp9WbqHd_mzXkPV227Hcw_EX7SCRFbaHamfXfxBEc0R9vd9Fx5GV1hcO6QbgiSS2A- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:46:26 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:46:26 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <951A4398-414F-45B0-A20A-E55AB2C6C1B1@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <9571.50374.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=uKJfLFKI6gQ8T-kMU0t0c1YqdT2pKvRbHlpjhHncEqCRyGTOJgmw X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah Ive always wanted a pair of Pro 4AAA's.=A0 I liked that design and loo= k. =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 5:25 PM On Oct 21, 2008, at 2:02 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > I've always heard that they never "fix" the pair you send in but=20 > rather they mail you a new set right back out. If it is current production, you are right. If obsolete like my=20 Pro4AAAs they rebuild what you have. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 18:54:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77949 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 01:54:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 01:54:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 01:54:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 60498 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2008 01:54:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WouhnNoVM1mbEJmhiLNeKW7L_nUqYyXwgbOuL0aWLiWwjQWhkYc1j5uNcOC3Fsr4u4469au6kToZXeYCZ0jptAapGiEp.thOSJnGyRUOv3YwGwxb9X_vgaFjLu02xbBtgdvMGhhIEjXw7j_YRUc6mnW_atXz1427Eu2XOQ-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.126] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:54:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:54:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <606855.66216.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <984654.60458.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=hZV8B2H9_ETo9Gae9F81V4yTcJczyRD5KZlULT_iXd4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW OK, Possum, your hearing is goofy. Koss, some years ago, came out with the AAA's and discontinued the AA's. They brought back the AA's because there were so VERY many complaints about how bad the AAA's sounded. They were simply overwhelmed. I hope the new AAA models have the serious frequency response deficiency corrected. I know this as that's what I got from Koss when I CALLED them to complain. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Oct 21 19:03:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85532 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 02:03:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 02:03:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 02:03:44 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.22] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081021210312102143500010.0) with SMTP id <20081021210312102143500010> for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:03:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008a01c933eb$55779040$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <606855.66216.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:03:12 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Zj0ndNCnI2O2mktLLDLR6TOxlFCBUqAVtHFiSTdTpfMd-mIsPEKc X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope- these were definitely deficient. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:45 PM The Cushions are key to getting that deep bass and the Pro 4AA's are high ohms at 250 ohms so u need some juice. If you have both you're good. You have to make sure you adjust the set to your ears correctly and make sure you have a complete seal on your ears and the bass will shine but not be over emphasized. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 19:04:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57399 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 02:04:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 02:04:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 02:04:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66785 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2008 02:04:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PDfF9IoVM1nNZR2UjBF8yt0NI9yJ0BFzSboXd1bN16Yyd6t67F7hK2.JtyackwbbnDUPCdQARLEcpT1nr7hfil5IFgZUheQnWq08kFlOXYVKKln9UXCCSAgHNmD.iKxoGbcrIa6VRVDWWmiyngWVVwe7FEDvXUsGnW4oQ_u_uLMeCqD79t_Zg66X0Q-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.126] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:04:33 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:04:33 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9571.50374.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <213368.66622.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=RFh_H6CWoXJf3gRMAtmv2SHD2QJkFtGSRt0Ay1DyTBw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW They do look nice, but that's it. I do not know if the new models sound decent or not. You would think they would fix the old problems and with newer drivers that could easily be done. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 10/21/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > Yeah Ive always wanted a pair of Pro 4AAA's. I liked > that design and look. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Oct 21 19:08:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2106 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 02:08:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 02:08:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 02:08:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81374 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2008 02:08:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UY7f40gVM1mSyLVXrDOLan0zzIKAcjX40WDF8qCoxrSi_qlffxbbnSa7k8fqdhnH1A-- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:08:06 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:08:06 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008a01c933eb$55779040$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <708289.80718.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=YfeHedNfpEX63o9lQvrN1tuPftFLGqkDOSrL-AV8iIq7L7Db0zKy X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you've listened to more modern headphones it may seem this way as modern= ones have overly emphasized bass.=A0 Now I like good deep bass and all but= not muddy.=A0 If you compare them with modern day headphones though they d= o seem that way.=A0 I do know this though.=A0 You can adjust the bass.=A0 I= read a tech note somewhere on the net.=A0 Take the ear cushions off, there= s screws that allow access to the cans.=A0 Once inside look at the drivers,= they screw in place.=A0 They have plastic backs but they do in fact screw = in and out.=A0 It is said you can turn those and adjust the bass response b= y doing so.=A0 You'd want to get both exactly the same.=A0 This would howev= er most likely alter the normal "koss" response.=A0 It can be done though.= =A0 I've seen a pair apart like that.=A0 Just be careful when u take the ca= ns apart not to strip the screws holes out when you replcae the screws.=A0 = Thats easy to do as well.=A0 Try that. =A0 -Kevin --- On Tue, 10/21/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wro= te: From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 10:03 PM Nope- these were definitely deficient. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:45 PM The Cushions are key to getting that deep bass and the Pro 4AA's are high o= hms at 250 ohms so u need some juice. If you have both you're good. You hav= e to make sure you adjust the set to your ears correctly and make sure you = have a complete seal on your ears and the bass will shine but not be over e= mphasized.=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Oct 21 19:09:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97099 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 02:09:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 02:09:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 02:09:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 64814 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2008 02:09:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: s9qqzFIVM1lTqodwhopKOPcjJbWKojcPLlKimJ2B0o1wZ0a4ZttMqAKNOZV6jAgGvRqWKJkJApRAOp4ThyZnW2iEoYQeTLc9lAfowkmDQvKromLl8_JBOomLjgTrmCxRTqCO7BcIe0o_g5Q8nsOnwY4Y6WKbD0lLd_q2bfa77g0OxFE- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:09:31 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:09:31 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <213368.66622.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <320415.64638.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=knkwfkdwcIpj1BiHHT3XbHdbFAISGGVIijeXlaYZQC2UmnWw3Yp3 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah I mean ive never heard a pair of the Pro4AAA's but the specs are almos= t identical.=A0 They should sound about the same although I think the AAA's= were a tad more efficient or were supposed to be.=A0 The new ones the Pro4= AAAT are pretty.=A0 They should sound nice for the price I agree! =A0 -Kevin --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 10:04 PM They do look nice, but that's it. I do not know if the new models sound dec= ent or not. You would think they would fix the old problems and with newer = drivers that could easily be done.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 10/21/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > Yeah Ive always wanted a pair of Pro 4AAA's. I liked > that design and look. =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Oct 21 19:14:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82018 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 02:14:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 02:14:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 02:14:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 55863 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2008 02:13:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5zf4DKsVM1nqtm9UGcWP85lb5GqyrEIQ1RIym2US9G8VhcSZKHAyLGoPWEOgrtlksWTq_lLxi0o04QWAZ_1ir4qa_GtNepsj.1JiAFqUbjyCjDQaHWHHnD1FwzGQYRJNU_elRKFIOB7K3d3ZlXkk66jhTw-- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:13:59 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:13:59 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <839941.55555.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: CD's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=0DPSOMHeCTlWn9RofofVUHv2KwRxHHqypxvJbZFf-ED4KHchFCv3 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Lets keep the good headphone talk going but I wanted to warn. Do not buy memorex CD's. I just burned a brand new one and it has static. It sounds like some old worn out record. I won't buy these again. That just isn't acceptable. I've bought Sony and Maxell in the past but I got these on a good deal. I won't buy them again. Just wanted to give a heads up. -Kevin PS - I mean truly horrible sound, I'm not being fecetious. It is very bad. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 20:07:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93462 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 03:07:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 03:07:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 03:07:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2008 03:07:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2008 03:07:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:07:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.63 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Politicians and AM Radio Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=cQazJHaNNoze1MB5JEA8L7lv4sgwGmK7o7DfRMHqXbbRVf6mTA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi gang!!! I live in Chile, South America, and, fortunately or unfortunately,=20 all the USA political decisions influence DIRECTLY in a lot of=20 Chilean political and commercial decisions. So, I think my questions are valid, here: According to the last surveys, it seems like Obama will win. Question 1: IS IT A GOOD NEW TO THE AM RADIO? WHY? Question 2: WOULD WE HAVE TO EXPECT SOME FCC TECHNICAL CHANGES IN=20 THE AM BAND? Question 3: DOES OBAMA HAVE SOME SPECIFIC PLAN TO THE RADIO,=20 SPECIFICALLY THE AM BAND? Question 4: COULD WE (the latin american people) EXPECT A BETTER=20 COMMERCIAL TREATMENT, SPECIFICALLY IN THE ELECTRONIC AREA, WITH=20 OBAMA? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Oct 22 05:11:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68748 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 12:11:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 12:11:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 12:11:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2008 12:11:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2008 12:11:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:11:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.144.106.164 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: Politicians and AM Radio Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=xWnK9yM-B6cXIk1B-YUbhURv4C9rW7fQRc7xaEs_Buiz87Q X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > Hi gang!!! >=20 > I live in Chile, South America, and, fortunately or unfortunately,=20 > all the USA political decisions influence DIRECTLY in a lot of=20 > Chilean political and commercial decisions. >=20 > So, I think my questions are valid, here: >=20 > According to the last surveys, it seems like Obama will win. >=20 > Question 1: IS IT A GOOD NEW TO THE AM RADIO? WHY? >=20 > Question 2: WOULD WE HAVE TO EXPECT SOME FCC TECHNICAL CHANGES IN=20 > THE AM BAND? >=20 > Question 3: DOES OBAMA HAVE SOME SPECIFIC PLAN TO THE RADIO,=20 > SPECIFICALLY THE AM BAND? >=20 > Question 4: COULD WE (the latin american people) EXPECT A BETTER=20 > COMMERCIAL TREATMENT, SPECIFICALLY IN THE ELECTRONIC AREA, WITH=20 > OBAMA? >=20 > Thanks for your time!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > Juan, With all the serious problems to fix, whoever wins will have Radio at=20 the very bottom of the list. The fairness Doctrine will NOT return, whoever wins. I have not seen any indications of Obama changing Radio, and as far=20 as McCain, he used to be friendly to diversity in Radio (LPFM) and=20 has many times pissed off the NAB, but I don't see any changes in=20 radio, whoever wins. As far as commercial treatment, who knows......but regardless,=20 changes will happen. Just my opinion. Juan Ft. Pierce, FL From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 05:35:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76447 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 12:35:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 12:35:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 12:35:12 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2008 12:35:12 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.248] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2008 12:35:12 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2008 12:35:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 636712.20210.bm@omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 16029 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 12:35:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.201.46 with plain) by smtp116.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 12:35:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _TQaDAkVM1kwrPh9H13sbQk4kJVRXRN6LsxZYLRckqiJ4jgV02.LOCS6H5ATgh4CmJKZ2SbBCwe_keysI5iErVS96WouFP0QRivcRSAMLub8X_9BO4qDTGxlgAHeIRvkYBJ0TH_A2lesErGYB2QOvqwsrkdyf3R7wtTEeQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6FA37B3E-5EC9-43EB-A680-1796B08F541E@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:35:10 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Politicians and AM Radio Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=ZkFeacWMSdNbXwan5sQXxH4D9WeJP781a472d6jk9dXHORCR0g X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > With all the serious problems to fix, whoever wins will have Radio at > the very bottom of the list. > > The fairness Doctrine will NOT return, whoever wins. Juan, Truer words were never written than these. With Bush taking taxes off the rich and corporations and giving jobs to the world at our expense, and the workers with no jobs and stagnant or lowered wages and high inflation with all of the Republican mistakes nearly driving the world into depression, no one gives a flying rat fart about the Fairness Doctrine. The Republikan party is the party of fear and they have to make their adherents afraid of one thing or another to get them to vote. If its not the Fairness Doctrine, its Al Qaeda, gay marriage, gun confiscation, Mexicans and Cubans, Chinese, communists or some other bogeyman. Without fear to drive their people to vote, Republikans have NOTHING. A great man once said "We have nothing to fear but fear itself." The Republicans say "We have nothing but fear itself." Kevin From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 05:50:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33581 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 12:50:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 12:50:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 12:50:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 86400 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2008 12:50:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oMcfIkwVM1njywyELk3d9QA8x.gMY3p2JrPoxFg8R_rKdrIS_q05FtMmMv17QZggDZbufE.GwAxVGnTR7NlakdISitEbxJzv69QMCu70QNp6W032C1DbvbhJiNFHPAj9Hxt2bMrNf4zE6BtuBpQE4c.w X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:50:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:50:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <558892.85065.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re:Election Night Radio Captioning X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=5r6EpoboRV2U8gN_uyByoOnBEuBlD08vLbbz7CuVAuE-1MJpdio_0iE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio You know, there's no reason that they can't use RDS right now to do this is there? They should be able to type in slow speed text, buffer it, and dump in onto the HD PAD info (and RBDS too). Why don't they do this - it make radio more valuable - a free text tool for the hearing impaired! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 05:56:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94745 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 12:56:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 12:56:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 12:56:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30583 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2008 12:56:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VFueLIwVM1lkSHR36KM9PrhlMh_2JaEEUtgyqoa2jRsvs5fduNxYa1wsYOfxrArL916PC2G5LY9oRD6gqUYe4ogoq29_7ZA4ApvXhBXOVa.msDmn677DFd83Oc5ZiAlYJxDpWolXZgkypn1huF635W1f X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:56:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:56:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <527626.27137.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=7xXmW8R8BKTjiFc8QnEkuAddIu3dNNajnZJk633y0CQT6G-ky9SXE1k X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Call me an idiot, but I never knew about their Koss lifetime warranty. 30 years ago, I had two sets of KOSS HV "open-aire" headphones, and I kept on using parts from the 2nd to keep the 1st one running. Smoked one driver and annually had to cut the cord shorter as it would 'open circuit' and try to resolder the connections of the 'springy' wire. I think they were HV-1's and the other actually had a denim padded headband, but was electrically the same. J From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Oct 22 06:13:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53108 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 13:13:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 13:13:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s3.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.142) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 13:13:17 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W54 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s3.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:13:17 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:13:16 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: <6FA37B3E-5EC9-43EB-A680-1796B08F541E@yahoo.com> References: <6FA37B3E-5EC9-43EB-A680-1796B08F541E@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2008 13:13:17.0755 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2CC08B0:01C93447] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Politicians and AM Radio Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=UPziMWcz-bAanQUWGpmZRIPqyjcSaunwJheYmVZLc7yYHqEGCt763yZulUE X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings and Salutations, Juan of Chile. Allow me to give you this analogy......... let's say that someone took possession of a vehicle in January 2001 and it was a 2001 model, in good shape (good engine, excellent radio, etc) and now you are about win this car in a raffle. but....... In the meantime the car has become riddled with bullet holes, nobody was concerned enough to keep the oil changed or wash or wax the car........ so now it's a rusted out car with bullet holes and you're not too sure if the engine will start and if so; will it blow a gasket. Now, other than people on this list, do you think that most people would ask....... does the radio work?!? :) [ I admit, I would probably ask about the radio also! :) ] Whoever wins this election (and it's not a sure thing that Senator Obama will win, Ronald Reagan was 8 points behind President Carter in mid October 1980; but Reagan won that election. (without any help from the Supreme Court!) Whichever candidate wins this election (hopefully we'll know within a few days and it won't drag on for a month like it did in 2000) is inheriting a train wreck or the battered bullet riddled car, in my analogy. The radio question has to be about as far down on the list of priorities as it could be. Donn To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: big_h00pla@yahoo.comDate: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:35:10 -0500Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Politicians and AM Radio Future > With all the serious problems to fix, whoever wins will have Radio at> the very bottom of the list.>> The fairness Doctrine will NOT return, whoever wins.Juan,Truer words were never written than these.With Bush taking taxes off the rich and corporations and giving jobs to the world at our expense, and the workers with no jobs and stagnant or lowered wages and high inflation with all of the Republican mistakes nearly driving the world into depression, no one gives a flying rat fart about the Fairness Doctrine.The Republikan party is the party of fear and they have to make their adherents afraid of one thing or another to get them to vote. If its not the Fairness Doctrine, its Al Qaeda, gay marriage, gun confiscation, Mexicans and Cubans, Chinese, communists or some other bogeyman.Without fear to drive their people to vote, Republikans have NOTHING.A great man once said "We have nothing to fear but fear itself." The Republicans say "We have nothing but fear itself."Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Oct 22 06:22:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43876 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 13:22:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 13:22:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s33.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.172) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 13:22:04 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W35 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s33.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:21:24 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:21:23 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: <558892.85065.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <558892.85065.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2008 13:21:24.0544 (UTC) FILETIME=[14F22400:01C93449] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re:Election Night Radio Captioning X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=s1aRGyj1_4G_sLdLTDYILAjP6SrE4RNPgMjS9-ozRWyfQmfYSIiIueP8Ozw X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Tayor's radio report today indicates that NPR will be doing this (having read out of election results); it's not clear if it will be RDS, though the report indicated special receivers are needed; it's the first I had heard of this. If you haven't already subscribed to his daily email report, you can do so at http://radio-info.com Donn To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: toledohamradio@yahoo.comDate: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:50:08 -0700Subject: {AMSF} Re:Election Night Radio Captioning You know, there's no reason that they can't use RDS right now to do this is there? They should be able to type in slow speed text, buffer it, and dump in onto the HD PAD info (and RBDS too). Why don't they do this - it make radio more valuable - a free text tool for the hearing impaired! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 07:39:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49715 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 14:39:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 14:39:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 14:39:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 94834 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2008 14:39:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Zhm9mHYVM1nffSeAOoHKdvswuwdeX__Vezgxg.Dsz2USEdF4J0LFzsxlvNHaaEgkhzuYn8pNcVoqahMR62kArn54fOzcbi_NPJMOzzwQxYuu1AgbK3d.4.6lQj79QDG8hHIfcDo2FqHlZQx6I7V.Fb0M10rOpqQhDlnWPA-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.171] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:39:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:39:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <984654.60458.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <830278.94786.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=EM4g7K7vhc_O_WyStmDVfTt0M8CRx3Fxwo0_0Gra6D0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Read what Koss has to say on their website about the AA's. It was the introduction of the AAA model that caused this clamor for the AA's to come back. also 1-800-USA-KOSS. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Oct 22 10:27:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69501 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 17:27:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 17:27:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.59) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 17:27:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 70930 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2008 17:27:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: B4KQjDQVM1kv7NqruTdpJ_3ZZlOzHVOpk31aX8hib.JDdxJapvWTdeVeIcFCbwmFzLhzIV.w_XTxHmHuTT0LXpL.xSFRAjcHUTap47G_XcRsX3Oi7OEmPzBqTGfGj0g7Snza9geSUJ9s3UWqDlyFyHeAeJqGWuZl24MhFBYvsIBcuR8- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:27:27 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:27:27 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <830278.94786.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <558471.70419.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=5msGzXZNeUrKPNI-ZrKAw90Hv-BMM95aXMmCoCXALThXeVH0hFV9 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think though they meant the Pro4AAT because it also has this distinction.= =A0 If you read it says the Pro4AA wasn't retired until the late 80's.=A0 T= he Pro4AAA came out in 1977 and went out of production in 1986 if you check= the history section under the 70's.=A0 The Pro4AAT was intended to replace= the Pro4AA.=A0 Thats why it has exactly the same frequency response and sp= ecs, just a different design.=A0 I think people hated the design of the Pro= 4AAT.=A0 The new Pro4AAAT is the newer version of the Pro4AAA.=A0 Read over= the Pro4AAT (not Pro4AAAT)=A0 and you'll see it says essentially the same = thing as the Pro4AA.=A0 This is why I think it may be the Pro4AAT that repl= aced the Pro4AA at the time and with the timeline concerned.=A0 Pro4AAA was= brought on the scene in 1977 yet the Pro4AA production wasn't ceased until= the late 80's so how was it intended to replace it?=A0 Wouldn't it have be= en back in 1977 if that were so instead of the late 80s?=A0 I could be wron= g but it makes sense to me.=A0 I think what got the Pro4AAA was that it simply d= idn't sell as well as the Pro4AA and since the Pro4AA had such a famed hist= ory with broadcasters it was that which brought it back.=A0 Again I could b= e wrong, it's a theory. =A0 -Kevin --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 10:39 AM Read what Koss has to say on their website about the AA's. It was the intro= duction of the AAA model that caused this clamor for the AA's to come back.= =20 also 1-800-USA-KOSS. Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 10:42:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39519 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 17:42:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 17:42:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 17:42:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 55315 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2008 17:42:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4qtSWGcVM1mO9hbYrU4a323nyf1e2bkXWfpwqfPGG7kQnNatjGuorwGm8SGLyaPRpTsdYrNzdLX4JGKA6RwTCx5uBgNePEvSKDB5B0.Fmq4xjCBQ7DT3A0KNvM.weMHqOyJsMQXfs7SPNBZp4QOx4hl0QjRbHhzwD4e3g1HHTC9poIptsUhC15htQQ-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:42:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:42:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <558471.70419.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <893004.55218.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=NlD7-FVlwE8ZpEX3-Y4wIfF0y61PY3AmWW3H0JP2GcA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 10/22/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > I think though they meant the Pro4AAT because it also has > this distinction.=A0 If you read it says the Pro4AA > wasn't retired until the late 80's.=A0 The Pro4AAA > came out in 1977 and went out of production in 1986 if you > check the history section under the 70's. Read the story on the AA's under the AA story itself. The AAA's came out an= d replaced (or so they thought it would) the AA's. TONS of complaints. I ha= ve yet to test the new ones. I haven't checked who is a dealer close to me = yet.=20 Powell From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Oct 22 13:34:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55073 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 20:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 20:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 20:34:49 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so1222322qwk.60 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:34:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.214.44.17 with SMTP id r17mr16539926qar.0.1224707688728; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm6154906qwk.1.2008.10.22.13.34.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <45E3370E-1BAE-4208-B2B3-F1594C28D3FE@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <984654.60458.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:34:45 -0400 References: <984654.60458.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=G3RYfVhARq6vyJDb6z03S50UaDDNT96UDEq7Rf7YAWdnEqbH1dGkteXkIzWwUA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 21, 2008, at 9:54 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > OK, Possum, your hearing is goofy. Koss, some years ago, came out > with the AAA's and discontinued the AA's. They brought back the > AA's because there were so VERY many complaints about how bad the > AAA's sounded. Nothing is wrong with my hearing. At first they did sound HORRID, but they sound SWEET after a Koss rebuild. Maybe they stuck AA drivers in my AAA cans? LOL Possum From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Oct 22 13:35:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72733 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 20:35:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 20:35:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.144) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 20:35:19 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so863010qwc.62 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:35:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.215.101.5 with SMTP id d5mr16537352qam.8.1224707719265; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm6154906qwk.1.2008.10.22.13.35.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <88205F3E-B060-4CFF-B21B-66405C91581B@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008a01c933eb$55779040$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:35:17 -0400 References: <606855.66216.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <008a01c933eb$55779040$d503fea9@stodd> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=dI4uvkss46tQ_qz2hdXAXBNQXnHewnSzN5tMKRSaTpKLV9wR05DBapkA368dDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 21, 2008, at 10:03 PM, wrote: > Nope- these were definitely deficient. I would ship em back. Possum From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Oct 22 13:45:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42523 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 20:45:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 20:45:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 20:45:16 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.64] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081022154509102392100010.0) with SMTP id <20081022154509102392100010> for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:45:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001701c93488$12285700$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <839941.55555.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:45:09 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} CD's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=EtGQe_ATwUY4Ignj8IxryAE2z8QfVz75kzVYlwEYTk-U4at9yF3O X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We had problems with our dedicated CD burners, HHB brand, IIRC, and found out you have to use low speed disks in those- not enough power in the writing laser. Brands do vary in how much power is needed to alter the dye. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:14 PM but I wanted to warn. Do not buy memorex CD's. I just burned a brand new one and it has static. It sounds like some old worn out record. I won't buy these again. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Oct 22 13:46:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53314 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 20:46:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 20:46:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.27) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 20:46:30 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so954027qwb.3 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:46:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.214.79.6 with SMTP id c6mr16528416qab.39.1224708390071; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm6185613qwk.1.2008.10.22.13.46.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4814FB6C-89A2-4B07-951D-CC85000CA2C1@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <839941.55555.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:46:26 -0400 References: <839941.55555.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.27 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} CD's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=bjnlqSdikcUaWRGiDVbG7w50-m2k6N-NN4FqSkcXcN9f-ae-eyWYRnSPH3ysfA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 21, 2008, at 10:13 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Do not buy memorex CD's. I just burned a brand new one and it has > static. I have also had "Laser Rot" issues with Memorex. Big Lots, of all places, sells Philips brand blank CDs in a 50 Pack for $10 bucks. I have had VERY good luck with them and the Philips brand Blank DVD-Rs, but then you would THINK the company that invented the CD would make a good one! LOL Possum From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Oct 22 13:54:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26340 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 20:54:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 20:54:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 20:54:09 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.64] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081022155357100403000010.0) with SMTP id <20081022155357100403000010> for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:53:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006701c93489$4cd71de0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <558892.85065.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:53:57 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:Election Night Radio Captioning X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=A5LMnnq9zTfuRXwObKGUyk7WPEZtXWhzBrE4scmUk7ugJokXXJ63 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I suppose you're right but what's the advantage when they already have closed captioning on TV? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com You know, there's no reason that they can't use RDS right now to do this is there? They should be able to type in slow speed text, buffer it, and dump in onto the HD PAD info (and RBDS too). Why don't they do this - it make radio more valuable - a free text tool for the hearing impaired! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Oct 22 13:54:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52537 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 20:54:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 20:54:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 20:54:36 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.64] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081022155149103263000010.0) with SMTP id <20081022155149103263000010> for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:51:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004701c93489$007e2240$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:51:49 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Politicians and AM Radio Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=g9_IIQJa4pxeaLMfJ-z1YBqXlB8OT6D4EPusrmPESr4WXpB9U0yw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It won't be Obama's to bring up. There are far too many in the House and Senate who are in favor of it that if they get the veto-proof majority that Kevin R. is predicting it'll be brought up and signed into law with the blessing of BHO. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan Gualda To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com The fairness Doctrine will NOT return, whoever wins. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Oct 22 14:08:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4035 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 21:08:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 21:08:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.145) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 21:08:33 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so1086592qwj.44 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:08:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.215.100.15 with SMTP id c15mr16501521qam.95.1224709712850; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:08:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm6196795qwj.6.2008.10.22.14.08.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <74F26032-BA4F-451C-AFC5-ABFAA8EC1CB4@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <527626.27137.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:08:28 -0400 References: <527626.27137.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which Headphones do AM Stereo'ers Prefer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=40FW_k--MK1FdbiOCNyZ4GQsEJ_PKEAgivJc8Kc3vA_SwuhZug3XQLnnP4uEEg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 22, 2008, at 8:56 AM, John P. wrote: > Call me an idiot, but I never knew about their Koss lifetime warranty. Don't feel too bad, Koss came out with the lifetime warranty in the Late 1980s, so 30 Year old cans wouldn't be covered. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Oct 22 15:06:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88024 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 22:06:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 22:06:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.25) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 22:06:16 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so5187qwe.35 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:06:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.214.113.15 with SMTP id l15mr16649305qac.54.1224713176278; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm6214248qwd.4.2008.10.22.15.06.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <33EE0188-DCAD-4CF7-9711-C1786AE5352D@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001701c93488$12285700$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:06:11 -0400 References: <839941.55555.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <001701c93488$12285700$d503fea9@stodd> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} CD's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=Xk73lFeZBt5jgjoMIxso50eXckoVj1vhV4jNbi70zDFBdvXswyL5NIWsHZHhHw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 22, 2008, at 4:45 PM, wrote: > We had problems with our dedicated CD burners, HHB brand, IIRC, and > found out you have to use low speed disks in those- not enough power > in the writing laser. Brands do vary in how much power is needed to > alter the dye. I have only seen this in the oldest of burners. I can't find the old low speed CDs for my 1st Generation Yamaha burner. What brand are you using and got a link to them? Possum From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 15:14:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24326 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 22:14:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 22:14:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 22:14:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1797 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2008 22:14:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: N_cETAkVM1mEDw5Om86TVEXS.JENGHjvZS1cyEd3hmA4QYiEFEojVmjMQEfB7HaVeXF5NDdJp_rzcgXxKPHanwcM9zFxnefZCo4pI6fsRkoWKeWZZhCDUEbnHkIY_LSY0txITThxguEIq8ysF_8CpIPZbbIR25CovvbHlWx5YJwa2ylHLmeCGQ0nIOc3 X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:14:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:14:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6FA37B3E-5EC9-43EB-A680-1796B08F541E@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <132997.1279.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Politicians and AM Radio Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=39rH6yWE1GYxhvPZBKYaqNToKV5nKYmnwfZlfv5HZ2Ry1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Amen, brother, AMEN! G --- On Wed, 10/22/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Politicians and AM Radio Future > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 8:35 AM > > With all the serious problems to fix, whoever wins will > have Radio at > > the very bottom of the list. > > > > The fairness Doctrine will NOT return, whoever wins. > > Juan, > > Truer words were never written than these. > > With Bush taking taxes off the rich and corporations and > giving jobs > to the world at our expense, and the workers with no jobs > and > stagnant or lowered wages and high inflation with all of > the > Republican mistakes nearly driving the world into > depression, no one > gives a flying rat fart about the Fairness Doctrine. > > The Republikan party is the party of fear and they have to > make their > adherents afraid of one thing or another to get them to > vote. If its > not the Fairness Doctrine, its Al Qaeda, gay marriage, gun > > confiscation, Mexicans and Cubans, Chinese, communists or > some other > bogeyman. > > Without fear to drive their people to vote, Republikans > have NOTHING. > > A great man once said "We have nothing to fear but > fear itself." The > Republicans say "We have nothing but fear > itself." > > Kevin From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Oct 22 16:51:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41711 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 23:51:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 23:51:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 23:51:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61590 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2008 23:50:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: a19QkLMVM1ker9VSxqdsJ.Ut9tzJs_T6r4KohUm07C3bVEhD2jlDxARy3NSA8oECdkWoZoJRIFno37dwL3Nw4ylhL0rwn3eP6qYTetz7Z_mwpuvJOjD9YDzMdG2NS1rhCUwY7k8siaCiMEP0isXdCyDW_O1QYumsbJx7HiDei1WvTZY- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:50:59 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:50:59 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4814FB6C-89A2-4B07-951D-CC85000CA2C1@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <703051.60589.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} CD's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=-okftIVtYkNAViV03T5xUEzaqGcVcldcSrbzIPFBLVDrY3wiyYsk X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Possum, =A0 I'll have to go to big lots.=A0 I didn't know those Philips were any good.= =A0 Yes I too have had horrible dye rot on some too or laser rot as they sa= y.=A0 I've had some in the past that recorded well and sounded great then a= fter 6-8 months you'd play them and they sounded just like these brand new = ones I just recorded on.=A0 No crapping you they literally sound like worn = out records.=A0 It is so amazingly close to the sound of a worn out record = it's almost funny except it aint!=A0 You can hear the music but you know ho= w a worn=A0out record sounds scratchy and the signal is low?=A0 This is how= they sound.=A0 I'll never buy Memorex again.=A0 I figured that first time = I bought them that it was just a bad batch or something.=A0 This is the las= t pack i'll ever buy from them although they wrote me back today in an emai= l after my complaint.=A0 I called them...well they wanted to receipt to whi= ch I did not have.=A0 I had bought these about two weeks ago so I didnt kno= w there was a problem.=A0 Now I've only recorded two of these CD's so far and it w= as only one defective so far but they offered to send me a free 10 pack in = the mail so I took them up on the offer.=A0 I just know I won't buy these a= gain.=A0 I usually buy Sony or Maxell.=A0 Now when I say CD I mean Audio CD= 's.=A0 I buy them cause the computer and the Sony Audio CD Recorder I have = will record on them.=A0 I know that regular computer CDR's will not work in= my Audio recorder, only the ones that say Audio.=A0 I've tried it and the = readout says "data disc" and will not write to it.=A0 It scrolls some messa= ge about how you need an audio only disc.=A0 Anyway while I'm on the subjec= t I will say this.=A0 Sony makes great CD recorders.=A0 I have never made a= "coaster" (bad CD) with that Sony.=A0 I paid around $300 new for it back i= n 2004 out at Tweeter.=A0 It has never given me any problems and discs reco= rded on it have never suffered from any problems.=A0 The only drawback is i= t writes at 4X Speed which is the fastest their audio recorders will do but = oh man does it make great CD's.=A0 So Philips CD's it is, I'll try them.=A0= Thanks for recommending them man.=A0 I'll go buy some.=A0 Yall all stay aw= ay from Memorex.=A0 Between me and Possum it seems as though they all are c= rap CDs'. =A0 -Kevin --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} CD's To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 4:46 PM On Oct 21, 2008, at 10:13 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Do not buy memorex CD's. I just burned a brand new one and it has=20 > static. I have also had "Laser Rot" issues with Memorex. Big Lots, of all places, sells Philips brand blank CDs in a 50 Pack=20 for $10 bucks. I have had VERY good luck with them and the Philips=20 brand Blank DVD-Rs, but then you would THINK the company that invented=20 the CD would make a good one! LOL Possum =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Oct 22 16:52:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36732 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2008 23:52:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2008 23:52:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2008 23:52:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32693 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2008 23:52:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xkYKQL0VM1ng73_FJrdTKCFLVszyKrGah0NMBexYQ7FwA_Wq.Onw4o8cRYc.GroW2TF_fGAw85bXyBAPX5jEl6Sy7owyDzg.hr5wPiXNCmZu9rZRpb_y0sQaCQArgd_DuFWzHTXmLN2JPuJWzqJGNqowQmPz2yUf5c2o8GDd2X.4.Oc- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:52:07 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:52:07 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <33EE0188-DCAD-4CF7-9711-C1786AE5352D@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <262089.31461.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} CD's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ED-tRVctQXQJYMrnoDLbwG31AgszR2lynmGBmim-sIGQhLlnbtJI X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think HHB still sells the slower write speed discs.=A0 At least they did = the last time I looked at their website. =A0 -Kevin --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} CD's To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 6:06 PM On Oct 22, 2008, at 4:45 PM, wrote: > We had problems with our dedicated CD burners, HHB brand, IIRC, and=20 > found out you have to use low speed disks in those- not enough power=20 > in the writing laser. Brands do vary in how much power is needed to=20 > alter the dye. I have only seen this in the oldest of burners. I can't find the old=20 low speed CDs for my 1st Generation Yamaha burner. What brand are you=20 using and got a link to them? Possum =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Oct 22 17:10:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36646 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2008 00:10:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2008 00:10:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.26) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2008 00:10:01 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so17386qwe.33 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:10:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.214.150.7 with SMTP id x7mr16895858qad.38.1224720600592; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm5926781qwi.5.2008.10.22.17.09.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <703051.60589.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:09:56 -0400 References: <703051.60589.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} CD's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=zI3-SV9e1hqVKFJSbHeK7bCr4J8DkRvPHS1PmiqxQ93kuipfp5xcvw6Xultc5A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 22, 2008, at 7:50 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Between me and Possum it seems as though they all are crap CDs'. The sad thing is the old Gold memorex were GOOD CDs, just the new ones are garbage. My Yamaha CD recorder is on of the Pre-Digital rights machines so it will record on Data CDs. The only difference is "Audio" Labeled CDs are encoded to tell the recorder the ASCAP-BMI Nazis were paid a portion of the CD price. Most of the time, I just use the CD Burner built into my MacBook, but the Yamaha will connect to my FireWire port and even record data. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Oct 22 17:29:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45266 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2008 00:29:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2008 00:29:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.146) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2008 00:29:02 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so24327qwc.30 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:29:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.214.81.3 with SMTP id e3mr16865608qab.87.1224721741629; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm6314172qwf.0.2008.10.22.17.28.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <59E73F8B-78CB-425E-BFDC-56918266019B@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <262089.31461.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:28:57 -0400 References: <262089.31461.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} CD's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=nJHd3yIHOAXAzpU8LtLEFqK0U8xbl4Ii8gsEprLYI1kYULlM1WSmkNEKogdgeg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 22, 2008, at 7:52 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > I think HHB still sells the slower write speed discs. At least they > did the last time I looked at their website. KEWL! Found them, thanks! Possum From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 18:58:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52518 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2008 01:58:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2008 01:58:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.125.179) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2008 01:58:51 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.225] by n12.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2008 01:58:51 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.67] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2008 01:58:51 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp419.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2008 01:58:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 310118.69081.bm@omp419.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 10593 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2008 01:58:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.201.46 with plain) by smtp124.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2008 01:58:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0LJhJ5YVM1kpZdM.DlUwQct0u2OSupIbGgqV6A5oTNWucP5ULLgVNoUnHCgprVrWlHbUbjEw9J8aM4Mh0OScrx7tZsV.1NhcM9Lgy9PtOppZmsYjVeN4pIJGwSe98KquI0c5t6fu4BimgOGm2LQ2JanggHRlUd_.NW7DIlwEhXrme73bdspeLCDuDQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <004701c93489$007e2240$d503fea9@stodd> References: <004701c93489$007e2240$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7332D030-7CCB-4187-9A6A-21205C9A51F1@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:58:48 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.125.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Politicians and AM Radio Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=JTbMoGIfT8DfI2r9CV0o4oaXxFI-xVfoJnQVMZidyh0YcsGHlw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Oct 22, 2008, at 3:51 PM, wrote: > Kevin R. is predicting it'll be brought up and signed into law with > the blessing of BHO. After Iraq, Afghanistan, The Greedy Bankers, Wall Street, education, infrastructure, Social Security, the employment crisis, the federal debt, the housing crisis, the baby boom bubble, the energy crisis caused by the Republikans and health insurance are taken care of. The Fairness Doctrine will come back after gun control is enacted by the next Republikan administration. Kevin From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Oct 22 20:15:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36580 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2008 03:15:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2008 03:15:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2008 03:15:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8304 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Oct 2008 03:15:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tbUDqTUVM1lAgaEALpW.Rok9InBrSzTc.c2btxy1P7vFYeN5dS6GNEd3moZ8O06N4qoRqr3SsZXJodh3c1UeZhuGAHlhth3JscKpwnJ1as.t1EVGjqI4veAiApUwxLKm5hd7fusql8i7QZ.G6V55SkNXHPsa2m.2CgpEz9IcZaupPG4- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 03:15:10 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 03:15:10 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <59E73F8B-78CB-425E-BFDC-56918266019B@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <233453.7248.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} CD's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ppIDxp-ILZsznIGBbbepcHycPTo0_273Vpas0AWJr5ludHS6bELg X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Possum =A0 Your welcome I thought they still made those.=A0 I know they still carry va= rious CD, Cassette, DAT, and Minidisc configurations.=A0 They have a wide v= ariety of media.=A0=20 =A0 -Kevin --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} CD's To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 8:28 PM On Oct 22, 2008, at 7:52 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > I think HHB still sells the slower write speed discs. At least they=20 > did the last time I looked at their website. KEWL! Found them, thanks! Possum =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 20:52:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28567 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2008 03:52:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2008 03:52:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.162) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2008 03:52:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2008 03:52:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2008 03:52:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 03:52:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.135.112.217 From: "Tom" Subject: Metrosound Converter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=T7JO0wne8GaQfLQYR8hNveGdX4EoAEsRXrgfqJbupWDmo0PVzonhFMZf X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 Hi Guys, I'm selling my Metrosound converter on eBay. I only used it once and I'm sure it still works great. It still has the home adapter and an antenna to go with it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D290269606249&ssPageNam= e=3DADME:B:EF:US:1123 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 22:12:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15406 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2008 05:12:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2008 05:12:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2008 05:12:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82971 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Oct 2008 05:12:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vpYTfqQVM1mNoe5Ik3xxvTBXjU7T0WR52ad4AK5kiUAOL9R0e402Uz2OSX7YHccyLI2x1qQTz8L4u_4He6czxOUHON86pEyU7avSL9SL1mYcRY8Jnv27ruWxge0HcBse0oQN9VNdRicv_A834fIkbm2R X-Received: from [72.241.176.83] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:12:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:12:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <186908.82275.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CD's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=XJR7MWXJV83wzIZfPqg3hgO5HJH-J1xKCrifgSeioDGIVu9mBkFIZro X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi, Where can you buy the HHB CD's from? There was no email address. Will their old 74 minute CD-R's work in the ole 1st generation Philips CD recorders? Very few of the 'newer' CD-R blanks will work. Some did, but without even changing the label, they must have updated the 'formula' so new packages don't work. Suggestions on where to purchase HHB CD-R's? John From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Oct 23 15:04:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76064 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2008 22:04:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2008 22:04:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.27) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2008 22:04:44 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so218600qwb.1 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:04:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.214.149.7 with SMTP id w7mr2164244qad.19.1224799483534; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm6930230qwh.2.2008.10.23.15.04.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <186908.82275.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:04:38 -0400 References: <186908.82275.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CD's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=RUyw6okm4778KjtRvaxEUqtZg2o7JfFi_gDnLgoaHRgI1B-azk2iG4w2_SXXlg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 23, 2008, at 1:12 AM, John P. wrote: > Where can you buy the HHB CD's from? There was no email address. http://www.hhb.co.uk/hhb/usa/index.asp Kevin From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 22:19:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45813 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2008 05:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2008 05:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.52) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2008 05:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2008 05:19:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2008 05:19:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 05:19:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.147 From: "jotape1960" Subject: BL-40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=VdMQBXKrNgEIt3HXX6kkvzyTujKel5sC50xmm7pvbb-n8R5esQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi gang!!! I know most of you knew (or know) the very good UREI BL-40 Modulimiter. Somebody talked about it time ago, so I just want to know: 1) Who is UREI now? (if somebody took the place) 2) Was there some BL-40 stereo version? 3) Is there some today analog stereo multiband audio processor near=20 the BL-40 performance? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 22:23:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10105 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2008 05:23:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2008 05:23:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.166) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2008 05:23:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2008 05:23:28 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2008 05:23:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2008 05:23:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Oct 2008 05:23:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 05:23:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7332D030-7CCB-4187-9A6A-21205C9A51F1@yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.166 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.147 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Politicians and AM Radio Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=iYyu6rGmjqEoQTLeA_KbQm-2nOAaVumTnFXCi5hJ6yFbt20Oog X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi gang!!! Summarizing all your comments... the AM future is gray, almost black. Black is just the shadow of the light, so... even with the deep black=20 future we can see now, it is just a shadow. We have to learn how to=20 pass through the other side of the shadow (where there is a great=20 amount of light). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Oct 24 10:17:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1707 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2008 17:17:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2008 17:17:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s16.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.216) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2008 17:17:23 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W30 ([64.4.19.130]) by bay0-omc3-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:17:23 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:17:23 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8CAF903B9F34B0B-E10-616@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAF903B9F34B0B-E10-616@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2008 17:17:23.0124 (UTC) FILETIME=[60F17F40:01C935FC] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=4FzOu-qgJxRSQEfHvw92UBprUxRzwWHrpEGAE4Td2cCh-4vBAP3F X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have had this unit for several years, and have forgotten what the DC input voltage is, ie, what output value Walwart should I use. Can anyone help? Thanks, MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 10:26:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26181 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2008 17:26:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2008 17:26:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2008 17:26:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14035 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Oct 2008 17:26:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _FtcKJgVM1kfRzl9h9rKKMDytXE_i.bEe14AoeUUr7g2alSmrmM4S3cBgiUAYgN086DkZfefZxukkq4TGRvFQSWrdRPC3vNKPVa9nEN81gcCMBI.OM28_gurIYkhWGiksvo_zMf7qbuNafioPZndkEC3IK3G07T7zL8v1eGyESTO4f32sWH_C7DBYQ-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:26:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:26:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <335614.13467.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=UGsGYrzqcD6Jj7yrFAC1_htldvkpHYAZD3gCF_OGY8o X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 10/24/08, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > I have had this unit for several years, and have forgotten > what the DC input voltage is, ie, what output value Walwart > should I use. > Can anyone help? 9 volts. Make sure the walwart doesn't go over that. Powell From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Oct 24 10:58:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21344 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2008 17:58:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2008 17:58:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s12.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.212) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2008 17:58:35 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W1 ([64.4.19.101]) by bay0-omc3-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:58:35 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:58:35 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8CAF903B9F34B0B-E10-616@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAF903B9F34B0B-E10-616@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2008 17:58:35.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[22AAE770:01C93602] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=1k9MOmx56dEhPUFQ3xQG16aatpmxevGA19Ef3Nxw2RzLUgZ4_608 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I own one of these units, but it has been over a year since I used it, and I have forgotten what the input voltage is. Can anyone here tell me what Walwart output voltage I must use for this unit? Thanks, MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 11:36:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5533 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2008 18:36:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2008 18:36:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2008 18:36:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 64024 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Oct 2008 18:36:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: a7i.e8kVM1m.RL9IFj9Ox0ewpHvB1RnWNXIwO89RK.WX6qYwPXJMp3vy0LRmcR7uk503Vrv_iG4ZYWV7ybQPPsF42xUDrkIr5SgBDrqPEJLYhQx36mi_CoEo7U55m577x9se8ad3RGKjybw1sqVCxwaAchRJEC7sjV3KnCpd4M.ArHDbZUwbOIfGiw-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:36:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:36:38 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <712530.64011.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=5T33RGm5rfcRyfi4rOTkcs4Ns_T7jfM2xzNgU5AXseg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NINE VOLTS MAKE SURE that it does NOT exceed NINE volts. Otherwise chips will fail. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 10/24/08, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: >> I own one of these units, but it has been over a year since > I used it, and I have forgotten what the input voltage is. > Can anyone here tell me what Walwart output voltage I must > use for this unit? > > > Thanks, > > > MTGC (Michael) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Oct 24 14:51:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63211 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2008 21:51:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2008 21:51:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f11.google.com) (209.85.217.11) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2008 21:51:37 -0000 X-Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so273405gxk.15 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:51:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.86.10 with SMTP id j10mr1549900agb.6.1224885096464; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.144? (66-191-213-175.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 18sm996768agb.12.2008.10.24.14.51.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <0B53ACDC-0634-43F1-824E-5DFF8BF0F53E@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:51:33 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} BL-40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=rp4w6jKLijWLVa3NFAPTR5jOwWmu0U4YrLuYX9OE25pBI5Clk1dmxaV9RoylDA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Oct 24, 2008, at 1:19 AM, jotape1960 wrote: > 1) Who is UREI now? (if somebody took the place) Official website > 2) Was there some BL-40 stereo version? No > 3) Is there some today analog stereo multiband audio processor near > the BL-40 performance? The BL-40 was NOT a Multiband processor, and CRL Amigo-AM Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 15:39:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7045 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2008 22:39:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2008 22:39:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2008 22:39:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 508 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Oct 2008 22:39:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3m5WXFYVM1nWUUf13rBvL5YZj3KpyBFrBl4Kq0jd4d49CXLfS.a8XQNd3RnIE9v.FbCXyqSx20r7xY1XqhVtR1aH__7nOO4cWbI9QN9iGF.IQYmfeHjqV_Jfyztt4FFUUbOrBIa9v.fhndmUTKIZO5PBO9FXyQsNWw2enXxkpSbtmj7hF6ha5qpzd0Om X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:39:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:39:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <712530.64011.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <744064.452.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=7uhQ0-9r2rnlBkc3K8ifgTQ2Wh6AmTQ2M75wzZBU2UJpsg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 IT DEPENDS! On when it was built, when I bought mine, it came with 2 4-cell battery holders, AND a 12-volt wall wart. Guess that was right for THAT one, it ran for nearly 14 hours into a, uh, not exactly legal antenna. Still works fine. BTW, that night it was running off of a freshly charged car battery, initial voltage around 13.2 v. Mine seems to have a regulator chip at the power input, perhaps the 9 volt models didn't have that? George --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter Question > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 2:36 PM > NINE VOLTS MAKE SURE that it does NOT exceed NINE volts. > Otherwise chips will fail. > > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO > wrote: > > >> I own one of these units, but it has been over a > year since > > I used it, and I have forgotten what the input voltage > is. > > Can anyone here tell me what Walwart output voltage I > must > > use for this unit? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > MTGC (Michael) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups > > Links > > > > > > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Oct 25 07:06:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53613 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2008 14:06:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2008 14:06:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2008 14:06:51 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.183] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081025090640100934200010.0) with SMTP id <20081025090640100934200010> for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:06:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001901c936ab$ebb84780$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <004701c93489$007e2240$d503fea9@stodd> <7332D030-7CCB-4187-9A6A-21205C9A51F1@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:06:40 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Politicians and AM Radio Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=RQNy6Q57-CNSp9qZr3-j-2gXe2DAmB-TrGO7qrmPV09bBH2iPPLP X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Then why do I hear so many Democrat politicians talking about it- San Fran Nan, Barbara Boxer, et al.? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com The Fairness Doctrine will come back after gun control is enacted by the next Republikan administration. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Oct 25 07:15:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62002 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2008 14:15:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2008 14:15:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2008 14:15:37 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.183] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081025091530102080000010.0) with SMTP id <20081025091530102080000010> for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:15:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003a01c936ad$27381a00$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:15:30 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: recent stereo confirmations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=O3cz9HLgnSegFeYh0zc252OIrsKwcjeiIQ4wcoUPTX9s9Ex1LnDo X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Had a chance to verify a few stations are still stereo- heard KASM, Albany MN belting out the beerhall music (polka) last week, and yesterday I was down in Waterloo and KWLO 1330 is too. Heard some great oldies I hadn't heard in years. They seemed to have fixed the problem with their stereo generator. The stereo pilot would be knocked out if there was a heavy bass note, though I did hear a tad bit of distortion. Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 07:20:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77247 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2008 14:20:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2008 14:20:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.223) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2008 14:20:05 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2008 14:20:04 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.68] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2008 14:20:04 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2008 14:20:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 895461.71302.bm@omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 11147 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2008 14:20:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.5 with plain) by smtp118.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2008 14:20:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 832Y8jgVM1l0KchyvE8rSBTNKL4QVz0uUk3CXjHI1I_hRO9c.qtIpqds7K131esJu55WdCn74JQrE6N.6VGlzLRqES6.T6CusOs9qHVUORkM_LEDJ.R_m7ZyJWwF7HZlq.4ieonzJ2urw8RFJlV0PHE6JDBY.BVvrUBj5GiNG30.Puw_aDd.jSbaAg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <001901c936ab$ebb84780$d503fea9@stodd> References: <004701c93489$007e2240$d503fea9@stodd> <7332D030-7CCB-4187-9A6A-21205C9A51F1@yahoo.com> <001901c936ab$ebb84780$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <05424C44-C974-435F-9D1D-1A281D2F27FC@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:20:02 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Politicians and AM Radio Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=V7E0VPgi0Z9GB-SSV7wBOhqMlz_D7JBE9ZlV9_qpzHAgW7q6uQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Oct 25, 2008, at 9:06 AM, wrote: > Then why do I hear so many Democrat politicians talking about it- > San Fran Nan, Barbara Boxer, et al.? Its California, land of fruits and nuts. Its not going to happen. I want it to happen but its not going to. Kevin From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 07:20:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95757 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2008 14:20:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2008 14:20:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.230) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2008 14:20:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46353 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2008 14:20:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KtR66igVM1mad9P3mT34LhOM_wom35TdMjN.fSRpbgRM_ugB1Zby0tplMtYuhkVgVtprLcvfYQx2JZlpQUV0oHRDecdL85iY71N60ZBIWLuqSQd67B.hAtz6R7em_aYIJ_A.FgNkFmpGzdwTq8cw36bmKZmcI3H4IXNCVyyn.wgMwdm8UNcSVSfU_CY- X-Received: from [70.109.208.254] by web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Oct 2008 07:20:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 07:20:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003a01c936ad$27381a00$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <678992.46185.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} recent stereo confirmations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=LcuIKtqp0u2FOkXNaZTPm_3kRvrBnmccGztniZPLftipq6A4dlre X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can also confirm 1350/WINY-Putnam, Ct. as I was out there yesterday.=A0 T= hey were playing a satellite A.C. format- "Your Variety Station."=A0 I am h= eading up towards Boston today.=A0 I doubt WJIB will be back in stereo but = they ARE planning on returning in stereo.=A0 I wish there was something we = could do.=A0 The stupid electric provider put 600V on the 120V lines, blowi= ng out the circuits in his stereo generator & processor.=A0 I think the bac= kup XMTR. isn't stereo.=A0 Does anybody have a spare generator or something= they might be able to loan him.=A0 His station's frequency is 740. Have a good weekend!=A0 I'm heading up to see my girlfriend & tomorrow she = & her friends are coming to Rhode Island so I can give them the T.A.P.S./Gh= ost Hunters tour (no I'm not in the group but did meet them ~Halloween 2003= when they were guests on WPEP). 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Sat, 10/25/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wro= te: From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: {AMSF} recent stereo confirmations To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 10:15 AM =20=20=20=20 Had a chance to verify a few stations are still stereo- heard K= ASM, Albany MN belting out the beerhall music (polka) last week, and yester= day I was down in Waterloo and KWLO 1330 is too. Heard some great oldies I= hadn't heard in years. They seemed to have fixed the problem with their s= tereo generator. The stereo pilot would be knocked out if there was a heav= y bass note, though I did hear a tad bit of distortion. Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 08:51:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97942 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2008 15:51:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2008 15:51:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2008 15:51:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 84864 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2008 15:51:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: m17m9g4VM1mVlWpzYV05P.Y0fcldNE1ry3QkE_KvvA81EyykuKojxt4AMq2hm4T3YnIypBMX42TM6_pWi8LjGvfHQMe.Gu6pJYoGTZw1rXkMaTuUY1fi23r74ulTwxgEy.TcQOl7KZHs_uPx0pmPIrW8C5SiOeRBzzeu6WqmTgNVonSQudeJMlOkOg-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:51:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:51:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <744064.452.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <421369.84400.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=3YsUIcNXM_pg0RCfX7UV3egcqUnMMCSFgCAESTd993o X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW The earlier models DO NOT have the regulator chip. That said, the regulator is to keep the voltages correct. On the ones that do not have that 9 volts MAX. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 10/24/08, george russell wrote: > IT DEPENDS! On when it was built, when I bought mine, it > came with 2 > 4-cell battery holders, AND a 12-volt wall wart. Guess that > was right for THAT one, it ran for nearly 14 hours into a, > uh, not exactly legal antenna. Still works fine. BTW, that > night it was running off of a freshly charged car battery, > initial voltage around 13.2 v. Mine seems to have a > regulator chip at the power input, perhaps the 9 volt models > didn't have that? > George From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 15:06:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40195 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2008 22:06:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2008 22:06:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2008 22:06:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 52285 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2008 22:06:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YqVGa9YVM1k2sAyC5H2wvuqAotMLLBWhtI4uGiTKrviLCpTKakCU2t2qgEjnQK8O45r7j3D_O1IbfgiRFtl1hipcu2ePp0mOSuK4dUd23Devm4Uz2DkAQ7W5dxPSI3E1kPMalXVAvXxq9BtKpmqWH9fhIkFLvhDNANQtpozKS5EB55dpLNgBLrZaDBoo X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Oct 2008 15:06:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 15:06:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <421369.84400.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <130843.52058.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=ypw67O96xG3YmhU1uNkmlRKm84DFeVU46UGLI7z862m9_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Makes sense, mine was one of the later models. It also was missing the inductors, even though they WERE on the schematic. A you might guess there are harmonics aplenty! G --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Chris Cuff AM Stereo Transmitter Question > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 11:51 AM > The earlier models DO NOT have the regulator chip. That > said, the regulator is to keep the voltages correct. On the > ones that do not have that 9 volts MAX. > > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, george russell > wrote: > > IT DEPENDS! On when it was built, when I bought mine, > it > > came with 2 > > 4-cell battery holders, AND a 12-volt wall wart. Guess > that > > was right for THAT one, it ran for nearly 14 hours > into a, > > uh, not exactly legal antenna. Still works fine. BTW, > that > > night it was running off of a freshly charged car > battery, > > initial voltage around 13.2 v. Mine seems to have a > > regulator chip at the power input, perhaps the 9 volt > models > > didn't have that? > > George From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 18:17:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98605 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2008 01:17:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2008 01:17:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.159) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2008 01:17:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2008 01:17:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2008 01:17:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:17:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.35 From: "jotape1960" Subject: The long and winding road X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=V0PS1pvoS6vQm8R1xqakGtDupW3On39JZyMAYhc6Cqz7tm9J0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I'm a Beatles' fan, but I don't wanna talk about the Fab Four. I=20 wanna talk about the AM radio. 1) What will be the AM radio future now, with the today global=20 financial crisis? 2) Will the AM broadcasters want to invest in IBOC, RDM, C-QUAM, or=20 another "new toy" with the world black financial future? 3) Will the AM broadcasters want to back to the beautiful music=20 format? 4) Does someboby have good answers? ??? Next year most of my country AM stations will renew their licenses.=20 I wonder if all of them are thinking about these questions... GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 18:38:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50458 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2008 01:38:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2008 01:38:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.237) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2008 01:38:29 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n16.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2008 01:38:29 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.240] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2008 01:38:28 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp401.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2008 01:38:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 977898.16014.bm@omp401.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 10566 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2008 01:38:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.5 with plain) by smtp117.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2008 01:38:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: O.tHnioVM1nWmONm7W.ubpyG0PVci8vhW83wlH4VqLvxWCGoOxiXBEByMmqv_bzzyM3kPilSGReCMwVAIA5uX0GKtahntb1miVd2sDpYBgzl6P3yxsMqoir8wYkV5PBB4jpuzQBwBS3I5Cq3ZlgS78MaYxWtd0S.ErTllQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1557087C-F27C-4992-B826-F2D53FDB0BC1@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:38:26 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} The long and winding road X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=V2RSdyjQ49pgyEuglaQwPjS7EoFoekxbxR3D9GZ1XrmzeJENOw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > 1) What will be the AM radio future now, with the today global > financial crisis? You will NOT see an expansion of AM stations. You will see stations moving to FM and letting AM die. > 2) Will the AM broadcasters want to invest in IBOC, RDM, C-QUAM, or > another "new toy" with the world black financial future? IBOC is dead. RDS might be used more but only because its cheap. C- QUAM unfortunately is history. I wish it were not so. > 3) Will the AM broadcasters want to back to the beautiful music > format? This one is the one I wish for the most. I would love this more than anything. I would really really love to see this happen. It will not and it pains me. I love this music. > 4) Does someboby have good answers? Sadly not the answers we would like. Kevin From bluegto@bellsouth.net Sun Oct 26 16:13:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bluegto@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77222 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2008 23:13:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2008 23:13:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2008 23:13:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2008 23:13:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2008 23:13:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2008 23:13:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.88] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2008 23:13:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:55:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.114 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.167.105.218 From: "koolstuff_69" Subject: AM Stereo equiptment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=268021812; y=areTc8FbQpgxsQjxi8CROsamf770yH_vCMaYSsbe5Ga5aDJSdG_j X-Yahoo-Profile: koolstuff_69 greetings, I'm just wondering... are they still making AM Stereo equipment anymore for AM Station upgrades.. if they are... why can't we turn this thing around... From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Oct 26 16:56:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22570 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2008 23:56:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2008 23:56:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.25) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2008 23:56:23 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so744197qwb.19 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:56:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.214.12.19 with SMTP id 19mr4044267qal.43.1225065382915; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm1875026qwb.7.2008.10.26.16.56.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6782BA4C-5007-45A5-9CCC-63110EC3A106@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:56:18 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo equiptment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=ghMpQJvx2OLgiu1p4lBlukxUOREZ-7HTj4yTSNhX19ddQsSz-QAhoOiRmf5iSw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 24, 2008, at 10:55 AM, koolstuff_69 wrote: > greetings, > I'm just wondering... are they still making AM Stereo equipment > anymore for AM Station upgrades.. Yes > if they are... why can't we turn this thing around... All it takes is LOTS of money! Kevin From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Oct 26 22:11:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95588 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2008 05:11:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2008 05:11:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.30) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2008 05:11:24 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so582632ywe.55 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:11:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.181.7 with SMTP id d7mr2223317ybf.24.1225084284229; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:11:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.97.12 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80810262211o1ecf598enffeb1f0ed8ac6093@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:11:24 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80810260352q73c5613arcffafabbcfc8167e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80810260352q73c5613arcffafabbcfc8167e@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: recent stereo confirmations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=M-H5SBT_o9GijpeksRon_fEN_SDBEhqGREOhJW4e1CHTY_ytatyrDJ4U X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WINY is running the format from Jones Radio. The WINY website is www.winyradio.com and I think they stream as well. I know over half a dozen years ago the station use to ID as "Stereo 1350 AM WINY Putnam", but were soon dropping the Stereo mention not long after my visit. Paul Walker www.onairdj.com Re: recent stereo confirmations Posted by: "JNR" a1asurfradio@yahoo.com a1asurfradio Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:20 am (PDT) I can also confirm 1350/WINY-Putnam, Ct. as I was out there yesterday. They were playing a satellite A.C. format- "Your Variety Station." I am heading up towards Boston today. I doubt WJIB will be back in stereo but they ARE planning on returning in stereo. I wish there was something we could do. The stupid electric provider put 600V on the 120V lines, blowing out the circuits in his stereo generator & processor. I think the backup XMTR. isn't stereo. Does anybody have a spare generator or something they might be able to loan him. His station's frequency is 740. Have a good weekend! I'm heading up to see my girlfriend & tomorrow she & her friends are coming to Rhode Island so I can give them the T.A.P.S./Ghost Hunters tour (no I'm not in the group but did meet them ~Halloween 2003 when they were guests on WPEP). 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bluegto@bellsouth.net Mon Oct 27 06:06:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bluegto@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52103 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2008 13:06:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2008 13:06:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.179) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2008 13:06:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2008 13:06:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2008 13:06:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2008 13:06:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2008 13:06:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:06:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6782BA4C-5007-45A5-9CCC-63110EC3A106@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.167.105.218 From: "koolstuff_69" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo equiptment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=268021812; y=lD-9Fp_aVV3_58pZCt7iCHNbMQurSpXP84NqQUEJWdwERVfrbgjp X-Yahoo-Profile: koolstuff_69 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter wrote: > >=20 > On Oct 24, 2008, at 10:55 AM, koolstuff_69 wrote: >=20 > > greetings, > > I'm just wondering... are they still making AM Stereo equipment=20=20 > > anymore for AM Station upgrades.. >=20 > Yes >=20 > > if they are... why can't we turn this thing around... >=20 > All it takes is LOTS of money! >=20 > Kevin > well.. so many stations have the equipment but turned it off because of their attitude toward the receiver issue... so now we have iboc with receivers but not very many people willing to install the iboc equipment but the receivers can pickup stereo AM granted narrow band.. if i were in a situation with an AM with the Cquam equipment i defiantly would be using and promoting... WNMB is still doing it but it seems that no body is getting it... From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 07:03:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50154 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2008 14:03:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2008 14:03:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2008 14:03:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 67158 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2008 14:03:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: crs90DsVM1nawZhx.hSDgGwI5rvaIIXN4WyXu3OPDUBGRl9iKzpbeAzoXSgtwJE1Qw-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:03:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:03:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <932577.66599.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: The long and winding road X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=835DOppTJkXEId1ZKVlfCD9yZmQ_rE7oLy3EcbAVwldv8rdoyCb8m7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio With the current economic situation, beautiful music on the air is what we need a whole lot more of to calm the masses that just took a hit on their 401k (now a 104k). Heck, I don't know why they don't put Beautiful music on underperformming AM stations, and put it in stereo too! From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 07:04:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87683 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2008 14:04:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2008 14:04:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2008 14:04:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 93641 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2008 14:04:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZzK_00gVM1km21Icw9YEuKJCwLsKnB0KUYtCFsj0EdVPt9FvW3bpsXqjW1KRIzTd5w-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:04:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:04:51 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <587565.93439.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: recent stereo confirmations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=4QCriZs4KoLpNYhWBD3f-lYXf6SmUrwz1wngBTBv8hGpn8I9C2UwL-E X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio WIRY is still running stereo, and they are a true full-service, local station with lots of music. Wish there were more just like em! From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Oct 27 12:56:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55940 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2008 19:56:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2008 19:56:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f15.google.com) (209.85.217.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2008 19:56:19 -0000 X-Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so5184507gxk.9 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:56:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.118.8 with SMTP id q8mr5058810agc.67.1225137379299; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.144? (66-191-213-175.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm577629agd.33.2008.10.27.12.56.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:56:14 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo equiptment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=DbqciESEWqiL26Yl1nEk_tga0jeK_ifDxnaGWKl2HuW633nehqeYUDv-bytKSg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 27, 2008, at 9:06 AM, koolstuff_69 wrote: > so many stations have the equipment but turned it off because of > their attitude toward the receiver issue... Many station left the Stereo on until the equipment failed, then just unplugged it and went back to Mono. Other stations relocated the Studio and were left with a Mono STL. Many stations with PowerSide could go back to stereo just by flipping a switch, but the FCC won't let them.. Some stations installed a Mono or an IBOC plant, but are still in Stereo when on the Back-up Transmitter > so now we have iboc with receivers but not very many people willing > to install the iboc equipment but the receivers can pickup stereo AM > granted narrow band.. HD-Radio is not only an expensive upgrade, it reduces the range of the station and causes lots of interference to Analog radios. Kevin From bluegto@bellsouth.net Mon Oct 27 16:35:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bluegto@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44449 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2008 23:35:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2008 23:35:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.218) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2008 23:35:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2008 23:35:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2008 23:35:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2008 23:35:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2008 23:35:28 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2008 23:35:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2008 23:35:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2008 23:35:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:35:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.167.105.218 From: "koolstuff_69" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo equiptment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=268021812; y=OUCn157J6MmBqXTcO2CPPacaizXxr6raDcS5CE43fPWVujlQd4Ja X-Yahoo-Profile: koolstuff_69 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter wrote: > >=20 > On Oct 27, 2008, at 9:06 AM, koolstuff_69 wrote: >=20 > > so many stations have the equipment but turned it off because of=20=20 > > their attitude toward the receiver issue... >=20 > Many station left the Stereo on until the equipment failed, then just = =20 > unplugged it and went back to Mono. Other stations relocated the=20=20 > Studio and were left with a Mono STL. Many stations with PowerSide=20=20 > could go back to stereo just by flipping a switch, but the FCC won't=20=20 > let them.. Some stations installed a Mono or an IBOC plant, but are=20=20 > still in Stereo when on the Back-up Transmitter >=20 > > so now we have iboc with receivers but not very many people willing = =20 > > to install the iboc equipment but the receivers can pickup stereo AM = =20 > > granted narrow band.. >=20 > HD-Radio is not only an expensive upgrade, it reduces the range of the = =20 > station and causes lots of interference to Analog radios. >=20 > Kevin > the point i'm trying to make is...is that there are AM stereo receivers out there that can receive the Cquam signal and by far i'm not promoting any iboc upgrades... lets try to make something positive out of a bad situation..... bill From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 18:44:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68387 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2008 01:44:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2008 01:44:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.176) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2008 01:44:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2008 01:44:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2008 01:44:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:44:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.33 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo equipment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=aohQn3QvahKyiDq_YYeB6beDuEgQpIA7YXuziBNNyRLv0sU5Qw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "koolstuff_69" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter > wrote: > > > >=20 > > On Oct 27, 2008, at 9:06 AM, koolstuff_69 wrote: > >=20 > > > so many stations have the equipment but turned it off because=20 of=20=20 > > > their attitude toward the receiver issue... > >=20 > > Many station left the Stereo on until the equipment failed, then=20 just=20=20 > > unplugged it and went back to Mono. Other stations relocated=20 the=20=20 > > Studio and were left with a Mono STL. Many stations with=20 PowerSide=20=20 > > could go back to stereo just by flipping a switch, but the FCC=20 won't=20=20 > > let them.. Some stations installed a Mono or an IBOC plant, but=20 are=20=20 > > still in Stereo when on the Back-up Transmitter > >=20 > > > so now we have iboc with receivers but not very many people=20 willing=20=20 > > > to install the iboc equipment but the receivers can pickup=20 stereo AM=20=20 > > > granted narrow band.. > >=20 > > HD-Radio is not only an expensive upgrade, it reduces the range=20 of the=20=20 > > station and causes lots of interference to Analog radios. > >=20 > > Kevin > > >=20 > the point i'm trying to make is...is that there are AM stereo > receivers out there that can receive the Cquam signal and by far > i'm not promoting any iboc upgrades... >=20 > lets try to make something positive out of a bad situation..... >=20 > bill > Hi gang!!! I think the problem is the "vicious circle" between the AM=20 broadcasters and listeners: Listeners don't buy AM Stereo receivers. Why? Because there aren't=20 enough AM Stereo stations on the air. AM broadcasters don't want to transmit in stereo because the=20 listeners don't buy AM stereo receivers. And so, and on, and on, and on... etc. I wonder... Who will be the one who can CUT this "viciuos circle"? By the way, Does somebody of this forum have talked directly with=20 the "American AM broadcasters" to try to convince them to back to=20 the C-QUAM and beautiful music format? How can somebody, a common=20 citizen (like me) to do it? The other side of the problem, I don't agree it costs a lot of money=20 because the 99% of the today audio devices are stereo (PCs, CDs,=20 DVDs, MP3s, mixers, processors, etc.). If the station has a mono STL, it can convert to stereo with some=20 minor changes in the audio input (TX) and output (RX) conditioning=20 filter network. Not a professional solution but... it works!!! If the station has an AM mono transmitter... This is the big=20 problem!!! But not too much expensive at all. I'm not an engineer=20 but... ASPISYS offers a low power C-QUAM AM Stereo transmitter. It=20 means it can be done "at home" (something like a low power exciter,=20 with enough power to feed the final RF amplifier). Again, not a=20 professional solution but... it works!!! In other words, I don't think it is a financial problem ONLY. I=20 think there is a lot of "goodwill" problem here: Who wants to back=20 to the stereo beautiful music format? ??? ??? ??? Is somebody=20 there? ??? ??? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 18:49:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52564 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2008 01:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2008 01:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.146) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2008 01:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2008 01:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2008 01:49:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:49:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <932577.66599.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.33 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: The long and winding road X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=JpDu3HHm6hYprUwjs1h-qdxsIuQzR3qSXZwXtySy9N58TUv0Cw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > With the current economic situation, beautiful music on the air is=20 what we need a whole lot more of to calm the masses that just took a=20 hit on their 401k (now a 104k). >=20 AMEN!!! > Heck, I don't know why they don't put Beautiful music on=20 underperformming AM stations, and put it in stereo too! > Who knows??? I've been hearing the CFCO on line signal and I wonder why they=20 transmit it, at the same time, through AM Stereo and FM Stereo. They=20 have enough power in AM. Why transmit with 250w in FM? Is it not=20 enough with the AM signal? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Oct 27 22:27:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86285 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2008 05:27:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2008 05:27:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.56) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2008 05:27:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46284 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2008 05:27:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SFBaIWQVM1nQpF3nd88yB1wQX2KGYeu7FTVc6iYKl33Frd.PSfJY5IqosTyvnAS099ArZXccdU1qap6gOo9maKgmRweYvpAyI9uyQUkgSfdMlgmQsnL2ZtINHNB0Av3kw2AHQMZwcPSvlQWI5DSNs7fD.w-- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:27:44 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:27:44 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <886121.44429.qm@web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=0Hp-u7EXpljjM3Q5ST1xRshkYoaZe_5raABy_0PuzOKe8WrLySyn X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Does anyone on the list fool around with DAT decks? I just wondered if any of you guys had DAT decks. I do , a Sony. Just wondered how many people like DAT and use it. Mine is a DRC-700. -Kevin From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 07:03:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21118 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2008 14:03:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2008 14:03:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.232) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2008 14:03:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98219 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2008 14:02:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MNcjxF4VM1m8V1XBdvKJa2YMLwu9_KvNs.tav2jwEpzhm29zFcsY_OM6PHF3lp18CqQVc74PLRdXASfpFhWflvQjdsFV7HmSgEjeLOHqex.eSx6L3oVoYOMn29pdjqQHyRFat69v_vcqck6Xfy7FJvj1S_ZMY.RM4qSrsBGE3HejI5mc2gd8vTe6BWc- X-Received: from [70.109.208.254] by web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:02:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:02:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <886121.44429.qm@web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <132756.97381.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=ZX6Cz6cCrqQYnbKD_LT21hHd2XS_HLvd-h6T7ogbe53OF2fWztrP X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Digital Audio Tape?=A0 We had that @ WALE as our primary show recorder/play= back machine.=A0 It was a P.O.S., but in all due fairness, it was probably = used & abused so much that that's why it was so bad.=A0 Not like there were= any listeners anyway! I tell you, 990kHz is a cursed frequency!!! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Tue, 10/28/08, clemsonbloke wrote: From: clemsonbloke Subject: {AMSF} DAT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 1:27 AM =20=20=20=20 Does anyone on the list fool around with DAT decks? I just won= dered if any of you guys had DAT decks. I do , a Sony. Just wondered how = many people like DAT and use it. Mine is a DRC-700. -Kevin =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 11:51:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55012 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2008 18:51:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2008 18:51:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2008 18:51:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 35176 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2008 18:46:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FV2s7NsVM1lb8POC8jSbk0A_b9FKxzmSqcxP2PO5_hFNcY66R_Z7AMIPy8qfgZGyXiy48e_qRlKsLu5vToNWRu1qfIC_t1bBy9tuPdgZtgnxzCcvOuA.0dtFVuvk8wWgN_E.frRv1jo0ySJNfuuUYX_rgERR98UGmUCu76fNYRBWslmbLx_dmjy3Qx6v X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:46:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:46:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <132756.97381.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <809779.34519.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=PlYah30kV9gKp0f64ePa7xWdS6uGMCa1sgEjkqlWZ9V1-w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yeah, back then all DJs needed was a little o' dis and a little o' DAT! (don't hit me...) G=20 --- On Tue, 10/28/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAT > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 10:02 AM > Digital Audio Tape?=A0 We had that @ WALE as our primary show > recorder/playback machine.=A0 It was a P.O.S., but in all due > fairness, it was probably used & abused so much that > that's why it was so bad.=A0 Not like there were any > listeners anyway! >=20 > I tell you, 990kHz is a cursed frequency!!! >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > --- On Tue, 10/28/08, clemsonbloke > wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: {AMSF} DAT > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 1:27 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Does anyone on the list fool around with DAT > decks? I just wondered if any of you guys had DAT decks. I > do , a Sony. Just wondered how many people like DAT and use > it. Mine is a DRC-700. >=20 >=20 >=20 > -Kevin >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 12:28:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41785 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2008 19:28:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2008 19:28:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2008 19:28:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 47155 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2008 19:28:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LynpYe4VM1kHRu9zIUB5XPfLE1BCK4YpFaji2Kar4AjiX9ZVn9MtK6OUwvQ1Y4n0tRpL1fBkGU6guiJLUjxp3sd.5ARJQOMi5RX.qgzBeiW9ivb4Nxykejy_dId8HxV9tofV3Ccm28HjlZj9cdTOjexF31sTT9j8NbCgnze5YmstDFs9J9IegdACqw-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:28:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:28:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <809779.34519.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <29785.32085.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=KnamScu215XABIJX3HBizAlagIDUr7nUnQbCNb-h99s X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Here's some whipped cream in the face.... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 10/28/08, george russell wrote: > Yeah, back then all DJs needed was a little o' dis and a > little o' DAT! > (don't hit me...) G > From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Oct 28 13:31:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69566 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2008 20:31:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2008 20:31:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.149) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2008 20:31:19 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so1343201qwj.46 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:31:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.215.14.3 with SMTP id r3mr1472563qai.348.1225225878897; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm1256503qwb.7.2008.10.28.13.31.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <43BFFF76-831C-4B85-A282-60D111563BF6@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <809779.34519.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:31:14 -0400 References: <809779.34519.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=RL3Kqr9Q9LkTdisU1uJxJiQOxT-1feNdNUdtu4un1Bd8tMblhbphsT_k16aJ6A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 28, 2008, at 2:46 PM, george russell wrote: > Yeah, back then all DJs needed was a little o' dis and a little o' > DAT! GROAN! Kevin From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 13:52:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96425 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2008 20:51:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2008 20:51:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2008 20:51:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 59364 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2008 20:51:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EeJDPmUVM1nKFSANLodIe9Q3BnPZItSGzFMJLRPRsgVEPKTEE0dOvHKdC.nlHp1kaqRxJh_nywlTsn.S76K1HBjbGjS3T6hgQmUPzJrh3.xAbRbOpTi6H725ibSaVdjb4r.L_njB9j_9Xpe41wpueODf X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:51:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:51:56 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <317998.57599.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Antenna for Alfredo Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=YhBtuGFqd65aW4KLY5Vs0s3mQ7r_WDTGEMcpozI20slj8oTQlOEH6so X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Okay gang - back to an AM stereo question - a good antenna for the low-powered Alfredo Lite transmitter or Soltiris' CQuam transmitter. These antennae will be used strictly for testing purposes of course, as the Alfredo only put out about 10mw anyhow (in it's original configuration), so it's not going to overpower FCC rules there. Chris Cuff - are you out there? I believe Chris said that he used to use a CB antenna - did you use an amateur antenna tuner with it? Anybody else - how about a 10' wire along the ceiling and then a counterpoise along the floor for use in an apartment? Suggestions I can pass along to our friends? Thanks, John From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Oct 28 20:03:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49850 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2008 03:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2008 03:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2008 03:03:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80219 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Oct 2008 03:03:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7pHugJYVM1nZ0iuvLAtJ82GHhcKCWJ9X9.0QHV9BO8dETWvdN5Z1C7vsaK8fPm1iwvihoW0GTNtlnDBMLEtLW6kgaZ0SKwvWDuHju4v2lqT6NBBKLEedZYI_1kl.bkpQFErN6yPH_4gbMhamGyMkBwd1HvWPx90VpyQmmroxF_wkp7w- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:03:33 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:03:33 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <43BFFF76-831C-4B85-A282-60D111563BF6@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <403603.80177.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=uzWSe6otoY_2FM-ATiaryB2EJ1PVra5oGCW9_IObwZ4n_uTqg_oz X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok guys sorry I brought DAT up.=A0 On to something else then. =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 4:31 PM On Oct 28, 2008, at 2:46 PM, george russell wrote: > Yeah, back then all DJs needed was a little o' dis and a little o'=20 > DAT! GROAN! Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 20:48:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81738 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2008 03:48:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2008 03:48:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2008 03:48:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8215 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Oct 2008 03:48:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HcC1OAgVM1n1tbvBUkFjGJhyNYKAigQELeNiSkNkhVQnp3d0da910bOK5kVJwn9xf2_ibguRzgMCTGZxn2f2AJT.3xAsQVWkzpFU02WQ6Qmaq55KbCSO.hDz.MpGJDgLMqQZNdRHea0pPkHv8h7FAZTyTXoDb2Kry4CJDOmfKCYZ78kcM7sUJ_xsTqnH X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:48:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:48:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <43BFFF76-831C-4B85-A282-60D111563BF6@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <40029.8174.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=yRSTbEGezzdPXX4_Oyf9sRY2o3TL7BquQ4pK9zsXbODmpw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes, you're right...maybe I should have added "nyuk-nyuk-nyuk, sointenly!" (woo woo woo woo woo...) G --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAT > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 4:31 PM > On Oct 28, 2008, at 2:46 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Yeah, back then all DJs needed was a little o' dis > and a little o' > > DAT! > > GROAN! > > Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 20:56:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36683 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2008 03:56:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2008 03:56:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2008 03:56:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 90351 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Oct 2008 03:56:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NFZI1TsVM1kI7_mRx0sNOGK6.qvrdsbq47_GlU40CRnfvuKkGHng9Q.QlsvG6xnAdbtRW18eyU9astgLW_n6bEKmQxYn.lY44VoFExSAYdGx9K7._BUzfKLMj2HhCBYtUWZfGYzdSsk37_41Wq26Lc2D00iZDWZbWjdojxJqxKOlfCFUgGbPHVW.skIM X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:56:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:56:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <403603.80177.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <239802.90251.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=jKGkePAxyk2YGNM8kE1vy63H6HCOe0r3pK9yHKeJNswUMg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Why be sorry? It's got to be of SOME interest here! For what it's worth (or isn't), I considered strongly going with DAT instead of Minidisc. Probably would have, but then HiMD came out, (no compression), and given th= e editing power, I jumped on it. I would still like to have one of those 2= 4-bit DATs though! Can't remember who made them. BTW, ever see a Sony Pressman? World's smallest DAT recorder, I believe it= used 12-bit PCM, and a tape I rather imagine is now made out of=20 unobtainium. There was one at the Dayton Hamfest, the guy wanted $400. If I'd thought about how rare it must be, I might have grabbed it... Last I heard, there was still a very good website for the DAT folks. I'll pass it along if I can find it again... George --- On Tue, 10/28/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAT > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 11:03 PM > Ok guys sorry I brought DAT up.=A0 On to something else then. > =A0 > -Kevin > =A0 >=20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Possum Hunter > wrote: >=20 > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAT > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 4:31 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Oct 28, 2008, at 2:46 PM, george russell wrote: >=20 > > Yeah, back then all DJs needed was a little o' dis > and a little o'=20 > > DAT! >=20 > GROAN! >=20 > Kevin >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 29 07:08:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63654 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2008 14:08:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2008 14:08:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2008 14:08:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2730 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Oct 2008 14:08:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: r.3J6AUVM1mxgQLqi4LWUoMXNZe.HdLsWYvpnDAGkVy9VdGy9aKFMoXRkyV87RCuVqFBLHFcDnbfgK5BQQVW0C.oAlvtgltKiMWNYWZX9MKlCa3Wx2lhWywTiybLemfRzar7cuXMg989Zmxru40q4I0W X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:08:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:08:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <651619.2350.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=UCAX88tn2aIXodigK4OeR7w5tC8RfzjEfuQQmtRqzZi9R4vNIO2aUMs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Our local PBS FM station has two in the rack in each booth, but honestly, they use the turntables more often (weekly for a local jazz show actually). J From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Oct 29 15:26:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57516 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2008 22:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2008 22:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.176) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2008 22:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2008 22:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2008 22:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2008 22:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2008 22:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2008 22:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2008 22:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2008 22:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2008 22:26:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:26:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <239802.90251.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.50 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=2wl2hM0JIixRS00Tj6CziXKIWKMZWsXEKbVDdS6SX2x47iWwzw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > Why be sorry? It's got to be of SOME interest here! For what=20 it's worth > (or isn't), I considered strongly going with DAT instead of=20 Minidisc. > Probably would have, but then HiMD came out, (no compression), and=20 given the editing power, I jumped on it. I would still like to have=20 one of those 24-bit DATs though! Can't remember who made them. > BTW, ever see a Sony Pressman? World's smallest DAT recorder, I=20 believe it used 12-bit PCM, and a tape I rather imagine is now made=20 out of=20 > unobtainium. There was one at the Dayton Hamfest, the guy wanted=20 $400. > If I'd thought about how rare it must be, I might have grabbed=20 it... > Last I heard, there was still a very good website for the DAT=20 folks. > I'll pass it along if I can find it again... > George >=20 >=20 We used DATs and MDs in the second mid of 1990's but... with the=20 very "careful" hands of our "on air technician"... today we still=20 have 2 DATs and 4 MDs... in the back garbage room!!! I'm really surprised about how our today PCs have last out more than=20 4 years, without "major" failures. Summarizing: the mechanical devices aren't good to the typical radio=20 job. By the way, Do RCA Records still exist? Where can I get an RCA CDs=20 catalogue? The same question about MCA Records. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Oct 29 15:32:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39409 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2008 22:32:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2008 22:32:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.29) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2008 22:32:56 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so101869yxb.59 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:32:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.83.2 with SMTP id g2mr7969068agb.7.1225319575630; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.1.144? (66-191-213-175.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com [66.191.213.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 38sm833169agd.18.2008.10.29.15.32.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2B1AF6E8-2752-4B3B-AAC3-8C69ABCEFFF9@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:32:52 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=snknO3DtXNsfsuL2ips11AW3r6b2oRpx-qx9H5Ia2HdAffmWwN3yRO21MCIHJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Oct 29, 2008, at 6:26 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > By the way, Do RCA Records still exist? They are now part of BMG > The same question about MCA Records. They are part of Universal Group. Kevin From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 06:09:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10456 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2008 13:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2008 13:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2008 13:09:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 783 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Oct 2008 13:09:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: St4FQ.oVM1mDsOgDhoYhjTCMhyDZ2gYOc.NK7OwPrcu.dLenAEoPMwTv8XVSVC5xhNhaMmfiksktURvJB59M.g6R5BoOgJVxtRN3yX7GKXdU1aSIM_VOuh6V0COPwmPZQt60g6JVlRa5aiuE6be9ug5O X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:09:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:09:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <149113.99314.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=_hFwZ1r2I1HN7oNQXZ1IkoFwrtC81-T8VrMIhrTp9BvWt8OSJOi5uKE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio And the monster SONY bought/merged with RCA/BMG in addition to their CBS/Sony/Columbia Records, so now that's all one big cluster. I believe they are down to only 4 groups now. Sony/Columbia/BMG-RCA Universal/UNI/MCA/Motown Warner/Elektra/Atlantic not sure if EMI/Capitol is still by itself. By the way, Do RCA Records still exist? They are now part of BMG > The same question about MCA Records. They are part of Universal Group. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Oct 30 06:49:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 630 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2008 13:49:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2008 13:49:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2008 13:49:25 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.243] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081030084914100701300011.0) with SMTP id <20081030084914100701300011> for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:49:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002901c93a96$7d2bd5e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:49:14 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo equiptment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ZwNopqAeBNGRlfjqLvBIE7zRgrY512iQEuX-2LCu1jElCUx_Emsq X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Delta Electronics still makes an AM stereo generator; possibly BE as well. If not, nothing saying one or more of us couldn't buy the designs and any surplus circuit boards to market them ourselves. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: koolstuff_69 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 5:13 PM Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo equiptment greetings, I'm just wondering... are they still making AM Stereo equipment anymore for AM Station upgrades.. if they are... why can't we turn this thing around... --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Oct 30 07:04:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82186 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2008 14:04:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2008 14:04:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2008 14:04:36 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.243] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081030090410100586100010.0) with SMTP id <20081030090410100586100010> for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:04:10 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <007501c93a98$934b5ec0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <932577.66599.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:04:10 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The long and winding road X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=SgFw8ybwDFgWZBDg345IMZ-_RT0BicLRRYYWDLhp4zSIBpTCToo3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If there were any demand for it it would be there. Even one of the satellite broadcasters has discontinued it; not sure if it even existed on the other. A big problem is actually finding the music. I don't think a lot of it was ever reissued on CD so you're left trying to find some clean vinyl copies, plus you'd need to keep it fresh with more current material. The closest you could probably come is a three way hybrid between it, soft rock and smooth jazz, and the lattermost format has been dropping like a rock lately. The original beautiful music was pretty much our parents' generation and they've all but died out without too many of us to take their places. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 8:03 AM With the current economic situation, beautiful music on the air is what we need a whole lot more of to calm the masses that just took a hit on their 401k (now a 104k). Heck, I don't know why they don't put Beautiful music on underperformming AM stations, and put it in stereo too! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Oct 30 07:14:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30321 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2008 14:14:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2008 14:14:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2008 14:14:36 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.243] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081030091421101960700010.0) with SMTP id <20081030091421101960700010> for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:14:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00c901c93a99$ffab6640$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <886121.44429.qm@web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:14:21 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=CsRyC8vbpyUl1HfjcXSutODvrH9LlwOovlLmFkdA0-yC9_TP6B7e X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got a bunch at work I'd like to get rid of. They all pretty much have the same problem in they don't eject the tape. Display has an Err-01 message. It's been nearly a year since we last used a DAT at work. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 11:27 PM Subject: {AMSF} DAT Does anyone on the list fool around with DAT decks? I just wondered if any of you guys had DAT decks. I do , a Sony. Just wondered how many people like DAT and use it. Mine is a DRC-700. -Kevin --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Oct 30 07:39:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79123 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2008 14:39:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2008 14:39:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2008 14:39:10 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.243] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081030093844102297300010.0) with SMTP id <20081030093844102297300010> for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:38:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <019b01c93a9d$679eb2e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <317998.57599.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:38:44 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Antenna for Alfredo Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=XNCy_jVL08hyk5HXn5StPVFPlqO_mEep1Qmky15_AXTY2fmYV41h X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Antenna plus counterpoise would be technically illegal, but given the low power I doubt it would create a problem. I'd have the antenna wire vertical, though. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: K.T. radio list AMS 2001 how about a 10' wire along the ceiling and then a counterpoise along the floor for use in an apartment? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 14:19:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93435 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2008 21:19:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2008 21:19:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.172) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2008 21:19:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2008 21:19:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2008 21:19:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:19:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002901c93a96$7d2bd5e0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.129 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo equiptment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=aKFhxH5jqrr2ImwJdJEeBsZX-NLFkMlArGhZ9OJOpbJP3S8n6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Delta Electronics still makes an AM stereo generator; possibly BE=20 as well. If not, nothing saying one or more of us couldn't buy the=20 designs and any surplus circuit boards to market them ourselves. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 According to their web page, BE and Harris still offer AM Stereo as=20 an option in all their AM TX series. Delta Electronics still offers its AM Stereo exciter. I don't know which solution is better: a TX with the stereo exciter=20 integrated from the factory or a TX with an external stereo=20 exciter. ??? But, I insist about to use the Aspisys AM Stereo exciter, as a cheap=20 solution to help the little budget stations. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 14:25:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87941 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2008 21:25:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2008 21:25:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.190) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2008 21:25:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2008 21:25:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.200] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2008 21:25:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:25:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <149113.99314.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.129 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: DAT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=OV6NkzXqQJYmM7FVk4qVvIDn_YWAbyC6JFANR1W-GubrTikuGg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." =20 wrote: > > And the monster SONY bought/merged with RCA/BMG in addition to=20 their CBS/Sony/Columbia Records, so now that's all one big cluster. >=20 > I believe they are down to only 4 groups now. >=20 > Sony/Columbia/BMG-RCA >=20 > Universal/UNI/MCA/Motown >=20 > Warner/Elektra/Atlantic >=20 > not sure if EMI/Capitol is still by itself. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 THANK YOU SO MUCH, GUYS!!! Now I have a clear "panorama" about it. Just a question, Is the "UNI" from the=20 group "Universal/UNI/MCA/Motown" the old United Artists Records? All these questions are about to get some old, but so good, movies=20 music that I don't have to get, in CD format, here. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From groucho@skyweb.net Fri Oct 31 08:02:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: groucho@skyweb.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7600 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2008 15:02:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2008 15:02:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO pluto.skyweb.net) (66.6.128.31) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2008 15:02:45 -0000 X-Received: from [192.168.1.47] (pool-68-239-249-152.nwrk.east.verizon.net [68.239.249.152]) by pluto.skyweb.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m9VF2idT061559 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:02:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from groucho@skyweb.net) Message-ID: <490B1E0F.1040505@skyweb.net> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:02:39 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <003a01c936ad$27381a00$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <003a01c936ad$27381a00$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 66.6.128.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neal Newman Subject: Re: {AMSF} recent stereo confirmations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88196145; y=Vyjpf9jMF9CEG_lDQNnDrMwlTIqtsNaDLSHcHaJrPcuZ3A X-Yahoo-Profile: cozy659 1350 WHWH radio T.E.D. is Running Full C-Quam am stereo Neal -CE its a BE AM6 TX scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: >Had a chance to verify a few stations are still stereo- heard KASM, Albany MN belting out the beerhall music (polka) last week, and yesterday I was down in Waterloo and KWLO 1330 is too. Heard some great oldies I hadn't heard in years. They seemed to have fixed the problem with their stereo generator. The stereo pilot would be knocked out if there was a heavy bass note, though I did hear a tad bit of distortion. > >Scott Todd > > > >--- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >------------------------------------ > >Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From bluegto@bellsouth.net Fri Oct 31 08:25:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: bluegto@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94044 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2008 15:25:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2008 15:25:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.133) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2008 15:25:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2008 15:25:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2008 15:25:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:25:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.167.105.218 From: "koolstuff_69" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo equiptment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=268021812; y=DMyTj5TGNIYl6RHejGFCJk_QcSRSQ2_DGAIAK7xjyccNZWXDog0e X-Yahoo-Profile: koolstuff_69 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > Delta Electronics still makes an AM stereo generator; possibly BE=20 > as well. If not, nothing saying one or more of us couldn't buy the=20 > designs and any surplus circuit boards to market them ourselves. > >=20 > > Scott Todd > >=20 >=20 > According to their web page, BE and Harris still offer AM Stereo as=20 > an option in all their AM TX series. >=20 > Delta Electronics still offers its AM Stereo exciter. >=20 > I don't know which solution is better: a TX with the stereo exciter=20 > integrated from the factory or a TX with an external stereo=20 > exciter. ??? >=20 > But, I insist about to use the Aspisys AM Stereo exciter, as a cheap=20 > solution to help the little budget stations. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > thanks for the research and the information that you provided concerning AM Stereo conversion equipment.... personally i would rather the separate exciter for both main and backup and of course taking into account their performance.... thank you, bill From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Nov 01 03:58:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76457 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2008 10:58:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2008 10:58:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 10:58:57 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so669992ywr.62 for ; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:58:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.151.111.1 with SMTP id o1mr22632442ybm.25.1225537137105; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:58:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.97.12 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 03:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80811010358j5cb422b6o902ad8e13a3528b0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 05:58:57 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80811010357h741c021we18fc5e473417d86@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8bce0fe80811010357h741c021we18fc5e473417d86@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: recent stereo confirmations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=gy8TuZ8ylTMqcTWH30LqnnIJnmzrpmk7sGEM6YKRGTyMqFpe3W1xeQTk X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And you'll get to hear MY voice once or twice an hour doing a Radio Ted, 1350 WHWH ID as well ;) Thanks Neal!:) Paul Walker www.onairdj.com Re: recent stereo confirmations Posted by: "Neal Newman" groucho@skyweb.net cozy659 Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:02 am (PDT) 1350 WHWH radio T.E.D. is Running Full C-Quam am stereo Neal -CE its a BE AM6 TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 01 10:33:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6205 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2008 17:33:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2008 17:33:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 17:33:08 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c78.431e0bec (37559) for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:33:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from FWM-D31 (fwm-d31.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.7]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB038-92b7490c92cf3f; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:33:03 -0400 References: <317998.57599.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:33:01 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.230 In-Reply-To: <317998.57599.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.230 by FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.7) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:33:01 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB0A5F05FAEECE-C0-786@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Antenna for Alfredo Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=q3d_EeMLKF9kZT89wH4HG_O1z8EBVUwfGW8NmxqQ33d3ojxh29XbvFOACs2esvSv X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oddly enough, I came across the two page blurb Chris sent me along with my transmitter.? He used a loading coil based on a toilet paper roll former with a 365 mmfd variable air condenser in shunt with it. Soltiris's transmitter has a 50 ohm output and thus requires a tuner to work with a?3 meter wire.? Given how many he has sold, he probably knows a good solution. The Alfredo Lite has a broadband (untuned) linear output.? The Plant Hanger and Mushroom Anchor antenna works using the center screw of an electrical outlet as the ground.? I just used a variable inductor to achieve the necessary tuning inductance.? Because of the high resistance of the ground, the "Q" was fairly small and the tuning not overly critical. I don't believe the Alfredo Lite could put 10mW into a 3 meter piece of wire. The best makeshift antenna I have found is a?drain vent pipe.? After some overly aggressive use a drain cleaning snake, I had to replace a small section of the drain in the basement.? I used one of those non-metallic repair kits which broke the galvanic connection between the lead line going to the main municipal sewer?and the house drains.? I was able to get around 6 ohms (real) using the drain side as the antenna and the sewer side as the ground at 1710 kilohertz.? With 90 mW of carrier into this load, I got around a half mile of usable signal with the Roadmaster's radio. The neat thing is, there is no visible antenna or ground, inside or out. I suppose this proves AM Stereo really is going down the drain. Mike -----Original Message----- From: John P. To: K.T. radio list AMS 2001 Sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 2:51 pm Subject: {AMSF} Antenna for Alfredo Lite Okay gang - back to an AM stereo question - a good antenna for the low-powered Alfredo Lite transmitter or Soltiris' CQuam transmitter. These antennae will be used strictly for testing purposes of course, as the Alfredo only put out about 10mw anyhow (in it's original configuration), so it's not going to overpower FCC rules there. Chris Cuff - are you out there? I believe Chris said that he used to use a CB antenna - did you use an amateur antenna tuner with it? Anybody else - how about a 10' wire along the ceiling and then a counterpoise along the floor for use in an apartment? Suggestions I can pass along to our friends? Thanks, John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 18:09:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35325 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2008 01:09:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2008 01:09:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.173) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 01:09:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2008 01:09:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2008 01:09:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:09:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <490B1E0F.1040505@skyweb.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.213 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} recent stereo confirmations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=BoasUNvbH47iIsRtDnkB8pJj1t4D4KXPkghZ43A1zuhXh9KypQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman =20 wrote: > > 1350 WHWH radio T.E.D. is Running Full C-Quam am stereo >=20 > Neal -CE its a BE AM6 TX >=20 Unfortunately, I live in Chile, South America, more than 5,000 miles=20 away from USA, so I just can hear the Internet data stream. I guess=20 (and I hope) the "on air" sound is better. By the way: Is there somebody who can explain why the Internet=20 digital data stream sounds SO BAD, even with a fast connection=20 (broad-band)? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Nov 01 20:37:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78565 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2008 03:37:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2008 03:37:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 03:37:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46495 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Nov 2008 03:37:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LH.3qq0VM1kjXEXotMRBpXTOKoxZmGMXsXD20Qx2jQFG6_F9IosPTs3mS8j8JT4YBg-- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:37:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:37:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB0A5F05FAEECE-C0-786@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <340164.46450.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Antenna for Alfredo Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=vGvoKSk7sXNLLuJ0zVYY0X3bVS3ZcNnxLyommrR5a_1rDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Oh, I see somebody else has used plumbing for antenna systems! Out of shear desperation, I once flushed a wire down my brand new Loddy Potty Turbo Turdmaster 2000 throne, (just after it's arrival from the factory in Flushing, New York), must have sent a good 100 feet of thin copper wire snaking towards the public works. While it may not have been the best ground system ever devised, it would seem the location of the wire would be quite appropriate for some of today's programming! (Flush Limbaugh, anybody?) George --- On Sat, 11/1/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Antenna for Alfredo Lite > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 1:33 PM > Oddly enough, I came across the two page blurb Chris sent me > along with my transmitter.? He used a loading coil based on > a toilet paper roll former with a 365 mmfd variable air > condenser in shunt with it. > > > > Soltiris's transmitter has a 50 ohm output and thus > requires a tuner to work with a?3 meter wire.? Given how > many he has sold, he probably knows a good solution. > > > > The Alfredo Lite has a broadband (untuned) linear output.? > > > > The Plant Hanger and Mushroom Anchor antenna works using > the center screw of an electrical outlet as the ground.? I > just used a variable inductor to achieve the necessary > tuning inductance.? Because of the high resistance of the > ground, the "Q" was fairly small and the tuning > not overly critical. > > > > I don't believe the Alfredo Lite could put 10mW into a > 3 meter piece of wire. > > The best makeshift antenna I have found is a?drain vent > pipe.? After some overly aggressive use a drain cleaning > snake, I had to replace a small section of the drain in the > basement.? I used one of those non-metallic repair kits > which broke the galvanic connection between the lead line > going to the main municipal sewer?and the house drains.? I > was able to get around 6 ohms (real) using the drain side as > the antenna and the sewer side as the ground at 1710 > kilohertz.? With 90 mW of carrier into this load, I got > around a half mile of usable signal with the > Roadmaster's radio. > > The neat thing is, there is no visible antenna or ground, > inside or out. > > I suppose this proves AM Stereo really is going down the > drain. > > > > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John P. > To: K.T. radio list AMS 2001 > > Sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 2:51 pm > Subject: {AMSF} Antenna for Alfredo Lite > > > > > > > > Okay gang - back to an AM stereo question - a good antenna > for the low-powered Alfredo Lite transmitter or > Soltiris' CQuam transmitter. These antennae will be used > strictly for testing purposes of course, as the Alfredo only > put out about 10mw anyhow (in it's original > configuration), so it's not going to overpower FCC rules > there. > > Chris Cuff - are you out there? > > I believe Chris said that he used to use a CB antenna - did > you use an amateur antenna tuner with it? > > Anybody else - how about a 10' wire along the ceiling > and then a counterpoise along the floor for use in an > apartment? > > Suggestions I can pass along to our friends? > > Thanks, > John > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sun Nov 02 11:21:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70513 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2008 19:21:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2008 19:21:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.158) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 19:21:50 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so815809ywm.52 for ; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:21:50 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.110.14 with SMTP id n14mr19182745ybm.138.1225653710099; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:21:50 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.97.12 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:21:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80811021121y57955a0fof04b58ab8d1c450f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:21:50 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: recent stereo confirmations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=HKCuwg5RWYILldjlU-XdRZlhtFss5hfdahHqizS3ViR1pBAV8W4cHSBk X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Radio Ted 1350 WHWH has a website and webstream? Paul Walker www.onairdj.com Re: recent stereo confirmations Posted by: "jotape1960" jotape1960@yahoo.com jotape1960 Sat Nov 1, 2008 6:09 pm (PDT) --- I= n amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , Neal Newma= n wrote: > > 1350 WHWH radio T.E.D. is Running Full C-Quam am stereo > > Neal -CE its a BE AM6 TX > Unfortunately, I live in Chile, South America, more than 5,000 miles away from USA, so I just can hear the Internet data stream. I guess (and I hope) the "on air" sound is better. By the way: Is there somebody who can explain why the Internet digital data stream sounds SO BAD, even with a fast connection (broad-band)? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 02 14:30:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29915 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2008 22:30:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2008 22:30:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.225) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2008 22:30:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16984 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Nov 2008 22:30:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SyYBnDAVM1lc8M05FYJTqc161IVxIwsOfk10EwkOb7uPNfp7WQ6ql00gUW6ZcrqP6u.poUMUI_YCHcf7YXm._9spfFt7wpD5QY3fTvmuwyoqMm_ofn0BG9UKLxvnq3jOuIs- X-Received: from [64.223.58.76] by web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:30:44 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:30:44 -0800 (PST) To: ABDX , AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <971285.15141.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: I'm going away for a week. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=WET9TcRekeLikNmuuw9NTSL2FB98IeMfW-coWtjtDAzTWSZJm8dI X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll be on Cape Cod.=A0 I'll be back on Sunday 11/9. 73! Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Nov 02 17:28:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26256 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2008 01:28:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2008 01:28:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.252) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 01:28:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 01:27:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 01:27:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 01:27:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.200] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 01:27:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:27:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80811021121y57955a0fof04b58ab8d1c450f@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.252 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.97 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: recent stereo confirmations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=GfCYatQzpiNwobIXEyTdDqh2wfz8IwMqmriFny08nHSfxoD58Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 wrote: > > Radio Ted 1350 WHWH has a website and webstream? >=20 > Paul Walker > www.onairdj.com >=20 Oh, Yes, Sir!!! The WHWH 1350 is on: http://www.wynoradio.com By the way, if somebody wanna know, the WIRY 1340 AM Stereo web page=20 is on: http://www.wiry.com CFCO 630 AM Stereo web page is on: http://www.country929.com Unfortunately, CFCO is no longer the best classic gold radio.=20 However, country music is so good, too. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Nov 02 17:48:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89522 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2008 01:48:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2008 01:48:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 01:48:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 01:48:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 01:48:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 01:48:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 01:48:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:48:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.97 From: "jotape1960" Subject: A crazy technical question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=UMLX_aeASKRyRgkVzmGdLsM4NuL69MNucVHv_WKu7KwCxh9siw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi gang!!! I need some help about a technical question. Everybody knows that THE main technical AM problem is the noise. Theorically, every time a negative peak reachs the 100% of=20 modulation we have 0 (zero) RF signal (no carrier and no sidebands).=20 But when we don't have audio, or 0% modulation, we have the full RF=20 carrier and the minimal amount of noise in the receiver. Right? Now, What about if we want to get the full RF carrier signal at all=20 time, to get less noise in the receiver? Theorically, we should to=20 adjust the audio level to get only 50% of modulation and we should=20 to increase the passive (no modulated) carrier to twice the normal=20 power. That's all!!! Or Am I wrong? Yes, I know: maybe I rediscovered the wheel. The question is: Does somebody have presented something like this to=20 the FCC? This means: a today 1 KW power station, should work with 2 KW power=20 but with only 50% of modulation. Yes, I know it is a very crazy idea, because all the AM broadcasters=20 are always trying to get more and more and more modulation=20 percentage on the air. But, this "rare" proposal really works, too:=20 we get less noise. Caution: we're talking about the "normal" coverage area to a given=20 power station. It isn't applicable in other circunstances. Just a crazy idea. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Nov 02 17:53:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38862 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2008 01:53:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2008 01:53:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.78) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 01:53:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 01:53:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 01:53:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:53:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <340164.46450.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.97 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Antenna for Alfredo Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=wGMpt5VjJFK1LeBxChtU5lIj-qHlA7bB6LaQUMjSeBg7lOUVfg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > Oh, I see somebody else has used plumbing for antenna systems! >=20 > Out of shear desperation, I once flushed a wire down my brand new=20 > Loddy Potty Turbo Turdmaster 2000 throne, (just after it's arrival=20 from the factory in Flushing, New York), must have sent a good 100=20 feet of thin copper wire snaking towards the public works. While it=20 may not have been the best ground system ever devised, it would seem=20 the location of the wire would be quite appropriate for some of=20 today's programming! > (Flush Limbaugh, anybody?) >=20 > George=20 >=20 I'm not an engineer but... Why not to try the typical "pig tail" antenna? The "pig tail" antenna is the standard VHF handy transceiver=20 antenna. I guess there must be some mathematical equation to get it,=20 thinking in the AM band. Just an idea. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 03 06:49:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20082 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2008 14:49:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2008 14:49:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 14:49:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c98.3b6b4109 (37121) for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:49:28 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MB05 (webmail-mb05.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.153]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA017-9101490f0f7832f; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:49:28 -0500 References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:49:29 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MB05.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.153) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:49:28 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB0BDA820EC9F0-498-1AF@WEBMAIL-MB05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A crazy technical question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=B5XBv71gsXbm-iUL4NZ5UrMIO4DRF_4GtlRknznoFYoZyiPum8HfoBongVbH9XQF X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are many types of noise.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I assume you are NOT talking abo= ut noise due to quantization error in digital AM transmitters. The objective is the achieve the greatest signal to noise ratio.=C2=A0 As t= he noise is not controllable, the only thing that can be done is INCREASE t= he signal level.=C2=A0 With AM, all of the "intelligence", that is what you= are transmitting, is in the sidebands.=C2=A0 The carrier just provides a m= eans for simple and economical detection on the receiving end with envelope= detectors.=C2=A0 Sideband power goes up on the square of modulation depth.= =C2=A0 For example, there is four times as much power in the sidebands at 1= 00% modulation as there is at 50% modulation. The idea is to maximize the sideband power because that is where the detect= ed signal lies.=C2=A0 I don't have a problem with supermodulation IF the tr= ansmitted signal is inherently assymetrical, as the human voice and music c= ontent tends to be, AND the equipment is capable of it. At 140% positive modulation, the sidebands have twice the power of a fully = modulated (100%) signal without any increase in bandwidth or distortion eve= n with an envelope detector. Because the receiver's AVC will "equalize" the carrier strength, the strong= est signal will be the one with the highest modulation. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 7:48 pm Subject: {AMSF} A crazy technical question Hi gang!!! I need some help about a technical question. Everybody knows that THE main technical AM problem is the noise. Theorically, every time a negative peak reachs the 100% of=20 modulation we have 0 (zero) RF signal (no carrier and no sidebands).=20 But when we don't have audio, or 0% modulation, we have the full RF=20 carrier and the minimal amount of noise in the receiver. Right? Now, What about if we want to get the full RF carrier signal at all=20 time, to get less noise in the receiver? Theorically, we should to=20 adjust the audio level to get only 50% of modulation and we should=20 to increase the passive (no modulated) carrier to twice the normal=20 power. That's all!!! Or Am I wrong? Yes, I know: maybe I rediscovered the wheel. The question is: Does somebody have presented something like this to=20 the FCC? This means: a today 1 KW power station, should work with 2 KW power=20 but with only 50% of modulation. Yes, I know it is a very crazy idea, because all the AM broadcasters=20 are always trying to get more and more and more modulation=20 percentage on the air. But, this "rare" proposal really works, too:=20 we get less noise. Caution: we're talking about the "normal" coverage area to a given=20 power station. It isn't applicable in other circunstances. Just a crazy idea. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com Mon Nov 03 06:56:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: ai9e_qrp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88515 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2008 14:56:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2008 14:56:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.147) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 14:56:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 14:56:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 14:56:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:56:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 205.175.225.22 From: "ai9e_qrp" Subject: Re: A crazy technical question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=241001136; y=wNJQCdSlx_A9XZoPjymGiXBto_0F8XTEEz8QnvvR2-IPHCQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ai9e_qrp --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > I need some help about a technical question. >=20 > Now, What about if we want to get the full RF carrier signal at=20 all=20 > time, to get less noise in the receiver?=20 (snip) > > Just a crazy idea. >=20 Not crazy at all. There is no reason that the carrier should remain=20 constant in an AM signal. IIR, the BBC had proposed a system like=20 yours about 20 years ago. Essentially, the carrier is dynamically=20 controlled so that every modulation peak hits the upper dynamic=20 range limit of the transmitter. The only negative is that will=20 interact with the AGC of the receiver, unless a pre-distortion is=20 encorporated into the tx exciter. I like it! 73 - Dave From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Nov 03 07:02:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30402 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2008 15:02:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2008 15:02:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.181) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 15:02:42 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j27so1134717elf.9 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:02:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.152.17 with SMTP id z17mr422703ybd.192.1225724560604; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:02:40 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.97.12 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:02:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80811030702x3284d657h162a098a178e52bd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:02:40 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: recent stereo confirmations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=kI982B0qk-bFKM4DmwRAL7VkfhXlt_SlRLPwXWv8Ztz2G8FMzsx8960m X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't see anything on wynoradio.com that would indicate there's a WHWH 1350 stream there. Paul Walker www.onairdj.com > 1b. Re: recent stereo confirmations > Posted > by: "jotape1960" jotape1960@yahoo.com > = jotape1960 > Sun Nov 2, 2008 5:28 pm (PST) --= - > In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , "Paul > B. Walker, Jr." > wrote: > > > > Radio Ted 1350 WHWH has a website and webstream? > > > > Paul Walker > > www.onairdj.com > > > > Oh, Yes, Sir!!! The WHWH 1350 is on: > > http://www.wynoradio.com > > By the way, if somebody wanna know, the WIRY 1340 AM Stereo web page > is on: > > http://www.wiry.com > > CFCO 630 AM Stereo web page is on: > > http://www.country929.com > > Unfortunately, CFCO is no longer the best classic gold radio. > However, country music is so good, too. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > Back to top <#11d6233a5840cdb3_toc> > Reply to sender > = | Reply > to group > | Reply > via web post > > Messages in this topic > = (9) > 2 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 03 07:03:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37506 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2008 15:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2008 15:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 15:03:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bbe.397f233d (37557) for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:03:10 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MB05 (webmail-mb05.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.153]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB036-92b5490f12ae2a1; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:03:10 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:03:11 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MB05.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.153) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:03:11 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB0BDC6C6FB51C-498-2A8@WEBMAIL-MB05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A crazy technical question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Cirzc24wa9vnv2ndsxoU_U3AVxKOdco6X3qarpAFpEGsFJBtgGpX6X_FKfQuoPA9 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know shortwave stations use the controlled carrier technique.? I thought it was to save utility power and improve transmitter efficiency. The first time I saw this I thought the station had an enormous amount of carrier level shift which usually occurs from excessive modulation or a transmitter maladjustment.? Then Amy set me straight. Mike -----Original Message----- From: ai9e_qrp To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 8:56 am Subject: {AMSF} Re: A crazy technical question --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > I need some help about a technical question. > > Now, What about if we want to get the full RF carrier signal at all > time, to get less noise in the receiver? (snip) > > Just a crazy idea. > Not crazy at all. There is no reason that the carrier should remain constant in an AM signal. IIR, the BBC had proposed a system like yours about 20 years ago. Essentially, the carrier is dynamically controlled so that every modulation peak hits the upper dynamic range limit of the transmitter. The only negative is that will interact with the AGC of the receiver, unless a pre-distortion is encorporated into the tx exciter. I like it! 73 - Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 03 07:13:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40268 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2008 15:12:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2008 15:12:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 15:12:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c2a.3c49e535 (37542) for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:12:46 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MB05 (webmail-mb05.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.153]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB023-92a6490f14ee3a7; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:12:46 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:12:47 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MB05.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.153) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:12:47 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB0BDDC3A5B8E4-498-358@WEBMAIL-MB05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: recent stereo confirmations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=s9JgAJETAz6hN9gLH7UZgjaozxs72e5501RAOvZbdfVEzo2sQ7ziQOhKI60rVtVd X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Like that WIRY production board.=C2=A0 Call me old fashioned, but I just li= ke those rotary pots. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 7:27 pm Subject: {AMSF} Re: recent stereo confirmations --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 wrote: > > Radio Ted 1350 WHWH has a website and webstream? >=20 > Paul Walker > www.onairdj.com >=20 Oh, Yes, Sir!!! The WHWH 1350 is on: http://www.wynoradio.com By the way, if somebody wanna know, the WIRY 1340 AM Stereo web page=20 is on: http://www.wiry.com CFCO 630 AM Stereo web page is on: http://www.country929.com Unfortunately, CFCO is no longer the best classic gold radio.=20 However, country music is so good, too. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 03 07:18:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16464 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2008 15:18:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2008 15:18:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 15:18:27 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cac.4270cdc4 (34930) for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:18:23 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MB05 (webmail-mb05.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.153]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA043-8872490f164a41; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:18:34 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:18:24 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MB05.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.153) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:18:24 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB0BDE8C6BFFE0-498-3E0@WEBMAIL-MB05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Small town radio and the economy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=7Sf7wMW5R3Bli8CtxFosVrM0gHVBeC292xZHl4y9sXf96S0FymAOPsfPxP5Y8Abo X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My next door neighbor works for a small station.? He tells me the economy is really hurting their business because advertising is the first thing businesses usually cut back on.? He fears the station will go automated anytime and he will be out of a job.? Their rates are down to $6 for a 30-second spot. There was a time that a cart-based automation system was six figures in 1970 bucks.? Now it is nothing but a PC from Walmart and some software. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Nov 03 11:18:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16487 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2008 19:18:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2008 19:18:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.112) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 19:18:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 19:18:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.95] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 19:18:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:18:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80811030702x3284d657h162a098a178e52bd@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.224 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: recent stereo confirmations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=KOgWZ3VIeOSn0bniC2ycgCWc5w5HmrtJ0ZtutaWVw4qX-lppOg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 wrote: > > I don't see anything on wynoradio.com that would indicate there's=20 a WHWH > 1350 stream there. >=20 > Paul Walker > www.onairdj.com >=20 >=20 When you enter to their page, take a look at the left botton part.=20 You'll see a dark square with the legend: "LISTEN LIVE" and "CLICK=20 HERE". That's all you need, man!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Nov 03 11:29:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12246 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2008 19:29:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2008 19:29:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.129) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 19:29:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 19:29:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 19:29:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 19:29:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 19:29:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:29:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CB0BDC6C6FB51C-498-2A8@WEBMAIL-MB05.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.224 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: A crazy technical question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=C3k4xyBoD3N8q8OLAelbF8S1AMc2v50733JpS4UtwiWOcMUDIA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I know shortwave stations use the controlled carrier technique.? I=20 thought it was to save utility power and improve transmitter=20 efficiency. >=20 > The first time I saw this I thought the station had an enormous=20 amount of carrier level shift which usually occurs from excessive=20 modulation or a transmitter maladjustment.? Then Amy set me straight. >=20 > Mike >=20 > Thank you so much for your comments (all of you)!!! Now I know I'm not so crazy I supposed I was, hahahahahaha!!!!!!! Of course, I know the best way to win the noise battle is to get the=20 best sideband power (even 140% mod or more). I wonder why the FCC insists to keep the carrier if everybody knows=20 we don't need it. Maybe it would be a very good way to decrease the global economical=20 crisis if we ask new AM receivers, now with ISB AM Stereo and=20 without the carrier. Hahahahahaha!!! Just, Another crazy idea!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Nov 03 11:37:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6475 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2008 19:37:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2008 19:37:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 19:37:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 19:37:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 19:37:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 19:37:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 19:37:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:37:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CB0BDE8C6BFFE0-498-3E0@WEBMAIL-MB05.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.224 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Small town radio and the economy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=JdKhJhmTqBgcrdrcTU-FXJnejk8jJdF_wID4nIvep0dBA5K2DQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > My next door neighbor works for a small station.? He tells me the=20 economy is really hurting their business because advertising is the=20 first thing businesses usually cut back on.? He fears the station=20 will go automated anytime and he will be out of a job.? Their rates=20 are down to $6 for a 30-second spot. >=20 > There was a time that a cart-based automation system was six=20 figures in 1970 bucks.? Now it is nothing but a PC from Walmart and=20 some software. >=20 > Mike >=20 CHile isn't far from this problem. Today, if somebody wants to "make" a new AM radio (from zero)...=20 he/she would need around US$ 25,000 ($ 15,000,000 chilean pesos), at=20 least (I'm thinking only in the electronic devices and a site to=20 place the transmitter, the antenna and the infamous radials). It isn't an easy start. I think the site to place the AM transmitter is the main problem.=20 This is because most of people here are only thinking in FM=20 installations. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 03 11:53:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64888 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2008 19:53:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2008 19:53:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 19:53:21 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cb0.30608149 (34906) for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:53:10 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-dd01 (webmail-dd01.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.1]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA023-885a490f56a5b4; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:53:09 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:53:07 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.1) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:53:07 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB0C04ED0D5C88-C8C-26D@webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Small town radio and the economy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=w2phxPH_03D4emU1cJfZm0Jso2w37s61VJk8BUtOx_AEsMMbzuBcyswo_ilsH-93 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Somewhat off topic, but a Franklin antenna doesn't need ground radials and = is somewhat more effective when the local ground conductivity is poor.=C2= =A0 It's tradeoff between the increased tower height (a full wavelength) an= d the cost of a ground system.=C2=A0 For an extended band station, with a s= horter wavelength, the cost tradeoff might be favorable. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 1:37 pm Subject: {AMSF} Re: Small town radio and the economy --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > My next door neighbor works for a small station.? He tells me the=20 economy is really hurting their business because advertising is the=20 first thing businesses usually cut back on.? He fears the station=20 will go automated anytime and he will be out of a job.? Their rates=20 are down to $6 for a 30-second spot. >=20 > There was a time that a cart-based automation system was six=20 figures in 1970 bucks.? Now it is nothing but a PC from Walmart and=20 some software. >=20 > Mike >=20 CHile isn't far from this problem. Today, if somebody wants to "make" a new AM radio (from zero)...=20 he/she would need around US$ 25,000 ($ 15,000,000 chilean pesos), at=20 least (I'm thinking only in the electronic devices and a site to=20 place the transmitter, the antenna and the infamous radials). It isn't an easy start. I think the site to place the AM transmitter is the main problem.=20 This is because most of people here are only thinking in FM=20 installations. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 03 11:55:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71179 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2008 19:55:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2008 19:55:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 19:55:34 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bdd.3f0fc6a5 (37045) for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:55:24 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-dd01 (webmail-dd01.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.1]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB033-90b5490f572b50; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:55:23 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:55:21 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.1) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:55:21 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB0C053D0D8474-C8C-2A1@webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A crazy technical question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ZCF1lUlsdDawT3brpMIrYbqBwLt8WOVsiL3z8QJ9WDEeJ0AR5xbpqTnzQ1X0q2yN X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The FCC is trying to=C2=A0maintain compatibility with all the receivers tha= t have only envelope detectors. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 1:29 pm Subject: {AMSF} Re: A crazy technical question --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I know shortwave stations use the controlled carrier technique.? I=20 thought it was to save utility power and improve transmitter=20 efficiency. >=20 > The first time I saw this I thought the station had an enormous=20 amount of carrier level shift which usually occurs from excessive=20 modulation or a transmitter maladjustment.? Then Amy set me straight. >=20 > Mike >=20 > Thank you so much for your comments (all of you)!!! Now I know I'm not so crazy I supposed I was, hahahahahaha!!!!!!! Of course, I know the best way to win the noise battle is to get the=20 best sideband power (even 140% mod or more). I wonder why the FCC insists to keep the carrier if everybody knows=20 we don't need it. Maybe it would be a very good way to decrease the global economical=20 crisis if we ask new AM receivers, now with ISB AM Stereo and=20 without the carrier. Hahahahahaha!!! Just, Another crazy idea!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, CHile, South America, with love =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Nov 03 14:41:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95550 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2008 22:41:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2008 22:41:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.213) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2008 22:41:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 22:41:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2008 22:41:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:41:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.38.146.56 From: "PW" Subject: Re: recent stereo confirmations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=_IgotUmUCOpy5ivlc2lVHG5kUZ3qpipYk3_SbYVfqk4vJ1mpTMKeOa-X X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester The streaming link you see is currently down and from what I know, is NOT for WHWH 1350.. it is for something else. The creator of WYNORADIO.COM is or was an engineer, and has pictures of WHWH.. but I think that is the only relation between WHWH and WYNORadio.Com Paul Walker www.onairdj.com --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 > When you enter to their page, take a look at the left botton part.=20 > You'll see a dark square with the legend: "LISTEN LIVE" and "CLICK=20 > HERE". That's all you need, man!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Nov 03 17:24:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36910 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2008 01:24:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2008 01:24:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 01:24:16 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.211] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081103192410001544400010.0) with SMTP id <20081103192410001544400010> for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:24:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008901c93e1c$414ad740$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <340164.46450.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:24:10 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Antenna for Alfredo Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=E9HxamQU3GcZ5MbioYddK008EY-Yp5R8BXAK7cW_6lXuxrAMJu4A X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd suggest more along the lines of Howard Stern. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com While it may not have been the best ground system ever devised, it would seem the location of the wire would be quite appropriate for some of today's programming! (Flush Limbaugh, anybody?) --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@optusnet.com.au Tue Nov 04 01:32:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30473 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2008 09:32:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2008 09:32:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.187) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 09:32:19 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d122-104-64-222.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [122.104.64.222]) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA49WDTL023323 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:32:13 +1100 To: References: <20080928.174746.16580.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:32:12 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20080928.174746.16580.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Thread-Index: AckhzXFSFLOk8HFQRqyu3st/MbTgFQcij3iQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: The US election X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=zpA-QNDYUAD3tYG8p7TS3DXE_l-WJ1jFlDrGnQ30sKuM X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmmm. Our AM stereo list has gone quiet ... again. From Oz, there is nothing much I can contribute to the AM stereo argument as it seems it's gone here forever. But what I can do for my friends in America is give a Downunder opinion in what is at stake tomorrow. This is a public response to the sort of things and challenges that our Scott Todd keeps throwing at me. Scott is a good family man. Hopefully he'll make an objective and positive decision ... as will all of you in the greatest country in the living world. The future is in your hands. Ian Davidson wrote: > What the Right should say is "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness > for all!" -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd [mailto:stodd@kkms.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:06 AM To: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: There Are Two Irreconcilable Americas Trouble is, there's no way all will achieve it. Some will fail. That's not a happy thought, but when government steps in and tries to equalize the outcomes, it degenerates into equal misery. No Scott. I don't believe so. I'm not an economics expert, but I have ideals. I think we should aim for equality, even if it's probably not acheivable. In any political system "some will fail". But we should try to minimise this. It's not a valid reason not to try. What I have at least worked out recently is that my economic thoughts really aren't too bad. Under George W Bush ... and previous Democratic and Republican governments ... the American economy has become loose wayward and greedy. Most of this has come about by people opposed to government regulation. One of these days, Scott, you will realise that although the capitalist system probably is the best generation of industry and activity, it is far from perfect. It is open to manic greed. And it needs to be regulated by an altruistic government. Our conviction should be to democratically vote in the right government to look after these things. Otherwise I'd be happier to have a socialist government that looks after all (well most) citizens better even though the gross national product might be a bit lower. To me it's a net benefit. The rich would still be ... pretty rich and comfortable. The middle class and particularly the poor would be better off. This should lower the crime rate which occurs because of a stupid guns philosophy and the plight of a desperate poor. I'm looking very forward to watching the US election coverage tomorrow live on our local free to air TV networks. Hopefully Obama will win in a landslide. Even McCain talks change ... but offers nothing. Obama offers possitivity! A total new direction. The world wants to embrace him. Hopefully no more pre-emptive wars. No more wars fought on lies and deception. No more - you're with us or agin us. As a previous Australian Labor Party leader (before he became leader) here said in parliament - George W Bush is "the most incompetent and dangerous president in living memory". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Latham He was howled down when he said it, but I believe it's true. This dreadful era of imperialism, greed, torture, special rendition, and invasion must end! It's time for the American government to STOP talking about Axies of Evil, and fear. It's time for the American government to act like a good world citizen. It's time for the American government to look after all its own citizens ... all of them ... properly! There's a much better chance that Barrack Obama will do this compared to John McCain (who seems to be an equally good man). Hopefully the majority of US citizens will realise that Bush was a disaster (in all senses of the word) and vote for Obama in a landslide. cheers Ian Melbourne, Australia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Nov 04 06:44:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22096 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2008 14:35:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2008 14:35:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.147) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2008 14:35:40 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so1818734qwc.8 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:35:39 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.25.4 with SMTP id 4mr1745549qay.145.1225809339579; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:35:39 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm4159718qwj.6.2008.11.04.06.35.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:35:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <7B764AD5-5DE8-4611-9D66-5D654920CB65@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB0BDE8C6BFFE0-498-3E0@WEBMAIL-MB05.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:42:07 -0500 References: <8CB0BDE8C6BFFE0-498-3E0@WEBMAIL-MB05.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Small town radio and the economy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=fIwhYuIejM91hZciDdQg97SIoTsAIGRu-7_tkVQOZExaPl3XvULZN5_cpjRv_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Nov 3, 2008, at 10:18 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Their rates are down to $6 for a 30-second spot. I have seen a LOT of 30 Second spots sold for $1 a Holler, not very long ago! > There was a time that a cart-based automation system was six figures > in 1970 bucks.? Now it is nothing but a PC from Walmart and some > software. There are a LOT of small stations running on nothing but a Hand-Me- Down PC with Winamp. Possum From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Nov 04 16:29:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48844 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2008 00:28:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2008 00:28:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 00:28:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 84423 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2008 00:28:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kX6F1JwVM1mkOo9adaPgfF2SZXxL3zBtDQfag8IBFmT05nq0qQeVuZtCqLHgSXilelp.Iplekw3VdRvUkSbTLSmQDDTBIAlF06mtYLU8PJaTqKre7BImzCFGkG._mcexqyjUoRUa4LPeA2YEEt0VzbE22ixQiE2RBHXhOTrEG9x9VqoJT8ZXTTUvkNio X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:28:57 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:28:57 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7B764AD5-5DE8-4611-9D66-5D654920CB65@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <59146.84248.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Small town radio and the economy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=aBVbi4a9gS4jQjv1HkvObQuafB7lUhvMrcfm9w-e7xdr_A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Can I interest you in a fine Haney Radio-Matic automation system? Just look at these mind-melting features! + state-of-the-art wire record/playback unit! + custom-designed cam/lever computator system assures tight cues! (as long as ya keep the fan belt tight) + Available with optional pre-tested Japanese tubes! + Stereo version coming out soon! (as soon as we figure out how to synch two wire recorders...oh, the phase shift!) For full details, write to: Eustice Haney Enterprises, Crabwell Corners, Iowa (suburb of Pixley) --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Small town radio and the economy > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 5:42 PM > On Nov 3, 2008, at 10:18 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > Their rates are down to $6 for a 30-second spot. > > I have seen a LOT of 30 Second spots sold for $1 a Holler, > not very > long ago! > > > There was a time that a cart-based automation system > was six figures > > in 1970 bucks.? Now it is nothing but a PC from > Walmart and some > > software. > > There are a LOT of small stations running on nothing but a > Hand-Me- > Down PC with Winamp. > > Possum From keith1226@yahoo.com Wed Nov 05 08:50:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44176 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2008 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2008 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.244) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 16:50:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:50:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.197.193.155 From: "Keith" Subject: Re: The US election X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=e2pwBgxmkJp2smz4e_McwOOnDtKMGpiSIVmi5bv24DPA25pA X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Davidson" =20 wrote: > >=20=20 >=20=20 > Hmmmm. Our AM stereo list has gone quiet ... again. From Oz,=20 there is > nothing much I can contribute to the AM stereo argument as it seems=20 it's > gone here forever. >=20=20 > But what I can do for my friends in America is give a Downunder=20 opinion in > what is at stake tomorrow. >=20=20 > This is a public response to the sort of things and challenges that=20 our > Scott Todd keeps throwing at me. Scott is a good family man.=20=20 Hopefully > he'll make an objective and positive decision ... as will all of=20 you in the > greatest country in the living world. The future is in your hands. >=20=20 >=20=20 > Ian Davidson wrote: >=20 > > What the Right should say is "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of=20 Happiness > > for all!"=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Todd [mailto:stodd@...] > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:06 AM > To: Ian Davidson > Subject: Re: There Are Two Irreconcilable Americas >=20 > Trouble is, there's no way all will achieve it. Some will fail.=20=20 That's > not a happy thought, but when government steps in and tries to=20 equalize > the outcomes, it degenerates into equal misery. >=20 >=20 > No Scott. I don't believe so. >=20 > I'm not an economics expert, but I have ideals. >=20 > I think we should aim for equality, even if it's probably not=20 acheivable. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > In any political system "some will fail". But we should try to=20 minimise > this. It's not a valid reason not to try. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > What I have at least worked out recently is that my economic=20 thoughts really > aren't too bad. >=20 > Under George W Bush ... and previous Democratic and Republican=20 governments > ... the American economy has become loose wayward and greedy. Most=20 of this > has come about by people opposed to government regulation. >=20 > One of these days, Scott, you will realise that although the=20 capitalist > system probably is the best generation of industry and activity, it=20 is far > from perfect. It is open to manic greed. And it needs to be=20 regulated by > an altruistic government. Our conviction should be to=20 democratically vote > in the right government to look after these things. >=20 > Otherwise I'd be happier to have a socialist government that looks=20 after all > (well most) citizens better even though the gross national product=20 might be > a bit lower. To me it's a net benefit. The rich would still=20 be ... pretty > rich and comfortable. The middle class and particularly the poor=20 would be > better off. This should lower the crime rate which occurs because=20 of a > stupid guns philosophy and the plight of a desperate poor. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > I'm looking very forward to watching the US election coverage=20 tomorrow live > on our local free to air TV networks. Hopefully Obama will win in a > landslide. Even McCain talks change ... but offers nothing. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Obama offers possitivity! A total new direction. The world wants=20 to > embrace him.=20=20 >=20 > Hopefully no more pre-emptive wars. No more wars fought on lies and > deception. No more - you're with us or agin us. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > As a previous Australian Labor Party leader (before he became=20 leader) here > said in parliament - George W Bush is "the most incompetent and=20 dangerous > president in living memory". >=20 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Latham >=20 > He was howled down when he said it, but I believe it's true. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > This dreadful era of imperialism, greed, torture, special=20 rendition, and > invasion must end! >=20 > It's time for the American government to STOP talking about Axies=20 of Evil, > and fear. >=20 > It's time for the American government to act like a good world=20 citizen. >=20 > It's time for the American government to look after all its own=20 citizens ... > all of them ... properly!=20 >=20 > There's a much better chance that Barrack Obama will do this=20 compared to > John McCain (who seems to be an equally good man). >=20 > Hopefully the majority of US citizens will realise that Bush was a=20 disaster > (in all senses of the word) and vote for Obama in a landslide. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > cheers >=20 > Ian >=20 > Melbourne, Australia >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From keith1226@yahoo.com Wed Nov 05 08:50:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75257 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2008 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2008 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.187) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 16:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.88] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 16:50:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:50:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.197.193.155 From: "Keith" Subject: Re: The US election X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=e2pwBgxmkJp2smz4e_McwOOnDtKMGpiSIVmi5bv24DPA25pA X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Davidson" =20 wrote: > >=20=20 >=20=20 > Hmmmm. Our AM stereo list has gone quiet ... again. From Oz,=20 there is > nothing much I can contribute to the AM stereo argument as it seems=20 it's > gone here forever. >=20=20 > But what I can do for my friends in America is give a Downunder=20 opinion in > what is at stake tomorrow. >=20=20 > This is a public response to the sort of things and challenges that=20 our > Scott Todd keeps throwing at me. Scott is a good family man.=20=20 Hopefully > he'll make an objective and positive decision ... as will all of=20 you in the > greatest country in the living world. The future is in your hands. >=20=20 >=20=20 > Ian Davidson wrote: >=20 > > What the Right should say is "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of=20 Happiness > > for all!"=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Todd [mailto:stodd@...] > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:06 AM > To: Ian Davidson > Subject: Re: There Are Two Irreconcilable Americas >=20 > Trouble is, there's no way all will achieve it. Some will fail.=20=20 That's > not a happy thought, but when government steps in and tries to=20 equalize > the outcomes, it degenerates into equal misery. >=20 >=20 > No Scott. I don't believe so. >=20 > I'm not an economics expert, but I have ideals. >=20 > I think we should aim for equality, even if it's probably not=20 acheivable. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > In any political system "some will fail". But we should try to=20 minimise > this. It's not a valid reason not to try. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > What I have at least worked out recently is that my economic=20 thoughts really > aren't too bad. >=20 > Under George W Bush ... and previous Democratic and Republican=20 governments > ... the American economy has become loose wayward and greedy. Most=20 of this > has come about by people opposed to government regulation. >=20 > One of these days, Scott, you will realise that although the=20 capitalist > system probably is the best generation of industry and activity, it=20 is far > from perfect. It is open to manic greed. And it needs to be=20 regulated by > an altruistic government. Our conviction should be to=20 democratically vote > in the right government to look after these things. >=20 > Otherwise I'd be happier to have a socialist government that looks=20 after all > (well most) citizens better even though the gross national product=20 might be > a bit lower. To me it's a net benefit. The rich would still=20 be ... pretty > rich and comfortable. The middle class and particularly the poor=20 would be > better off. This should lower the crime rate which occurs because=20 of a > stupid guns philosophy and the plight of a desperate poor. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > I'm looking very forward to watching the US election coverage=20 tomorrow live > on our local free to air TV networks. Hopefully Obama will win in a > landslide. Even McCain talks change ... but offers nothing. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Obama offers possitivity! A total new direction. The world wants=20 to > embrace him.=20=20 >=20 > Hopefully no more pre-emptive wars. No more wars fought on lies and > deception. No more - you're with us or agin us. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > As a previous Australian Labor Party leader (before he became=20 leader) here > said in parliament - George W Bush is "the most incompetent and=20 dangerous > president in living memory". >=20 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Latham >=20 > He was howled down when he said it, but I believe it's true. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > This dreadful era of imperialism, greed, torture, special=20 rendition, and > invasion must end! >=20 > It's time for the American government to STOP talking about Axies=20 of Evil, > and fear. >=20 > It's time for the American government to act like a good world=20 citizen. >=20 > It's time for the American government to look after all its own=20 citizens ... > all of them ... properly!=20 >=20 > There's a much better chance that Barrack Obama will do this=20 compared to > John McCain (who seems to be an equally good man). >=20 > Hopefully the majority of US citizens will realise that Bush was a=20 disaster > (in all senses of the word) and vote for Obama in a landslide. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > cheers >=20 > Ian >=20 > Melbourne, Australia >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From keith1226@yahoo.com Wed Nov 05 08:54:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78111 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2008 16:54:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2008 16:54:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.237) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 16:54:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 16:54:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 16:54:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:54:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.197.193.155 From: "Keith" Subject: Re: The US election X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=ryMO7F7Py-2WnVONByIyYnWKZSvX91t4x2_NR5Qr2XYoEped X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Sorry for the duplicate posts: computer hiccup ;-).=20 Well, Ian, we'll get a chance to see if you are right. I wish the best=20 of luck to President-elect Obama, and thank all who voted yesterday.=20 I hope this outcome will give all of us, here in the U.S.A. and=20 overseas, a chance to "turn the page" and make a fresh start.=20 Keith Beesley From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Nov 05 09:50:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68754 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2008 17:50:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2008 17:50:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 17:50:19 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d29.349b1e5a (37166) for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:50:13 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-da16 (webmail-da16.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.211]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA045-912e4911dcd420f; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:50:12 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:50:13 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.211) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:50:13 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB0D8616972B3D-990-E84@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The US election X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=fxOQ4iGDOUQxTUIOx7-qh8s3aW86SvXkdhvaAfzq3WzuCcagBGcTboEgxhvEVC3t X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not to dimiss the strength of the words and ideals, what is embraced in our Declaration of Independence was not quite original.? Thomas Jefferson just?immortalized it.? No nation nor people has a monopoly on freedom, truth, justice, or courage.? Austrailia is a beacon of democracy and freedom in a part of the world where these values are not common.? As anyone who has served beside the Aussies can attest, they are a tough bunch. With that said, you folks need a liberal PM.? Maybe Hillary.? She's available.? Having lived in the Natural State when it was presided over by Bill and Hill, she probably has more in common with the Land Down Under than the Empire State. I am disappointed that my man Barack did not address the AM Stereo issue last night in his victory speech. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Nov 05 09:56:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13356 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2008 17:55:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2008 17:55:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 17:55:59 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c3e.386a5301 (37530) for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:55:47 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-da16 (webmail-da16.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.211]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB013-929a4911de2323b; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:55:47 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:55:48 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <59146.84248.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.211) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:55:47 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB0D86DE187270-990-EFF@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Small town radio and the economy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ak9YN7l5oeqkCR84wbNHVIpzf8OMMLsYuZWZ4ZpetVfw9E9BcaTxT5xght4ySVWi X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Having lived here before for more than 10 years when I worked for LTV Aerospace, the local indiginous population never understood the humor of Green Acres except for how rediculous big city people are. In every community such as ours, there is a Mr. Haney. Speaking of Wal Mart automation systems, do radio stations use professional sound cards like the Lynx? Mike -----Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 6:28 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Small town radio and the economy Can I interest you in a fine Haney Radio-Matic automation system? Just look at these mind-melting features! + state-of-the-art wire record/playback unit! + custom-designed cam/lever computator system assures tight cues! (as long as ya keep the fan belt tight) + Available with optional pre-tested Japanese tubes! + Stereo version coming out soon! (as soon as we figure out how to synch two wire recorders...oh, the phase shift!) For full details, write to: Eustice Haney Enterprises, Crabwell Corners, Iowa (suburb of Pixley) --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Small town radio and the economy > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 5:42 PM > On Nov 3, 2008, at 10:18 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > Their rates are down to $6 for a 30-second spot. > > I have seen a LOT of 30 Second spots sold for $1 a Holler, > not very > long ago! > > > There was a time that a cart-based automation system > was six figures > > in 1970 bucks.? Now it is nothing but a PC from > Walmart and some > > software. > > There are a LOT of small stations running on nothing but a > Hand-Me- > Down PC with Winamp. > > Possum [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 05 10:20:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53687 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2008 18:20:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2008 18:20:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 18:20:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20026 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2008 18:20:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4tuA.Z8VM1mK2b4yRbCtEzMFZ9H3zcu_wU9GF3rSKXTBzk_GyUsdvewGuqQgVdDNHOWchNCzlFMKrpcfLp7lsZTHRBDu0zaE1EWA4PuGKydi15VYm8OgkdjIz7kj3gcKJqqTjqsvVux0b_LaOxP8Cp6T7hIofOVRFavqPOmpKPTm9X5DA3gW0aG_5w-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:20:19 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:20:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB0D86DE187270-990-EFF@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <380469.19851.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Small town radio and the economy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=VSgxM9U_j6YcGgEEChqac3jAShdIYj_0gIcC5ccZdyA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I have not seen that name. Digigram and ASI are the one of the ones that automation software has as specified. , and they generally cost more than the computer ... a lot more. They take most of the audio work off the computer overhead. In some cases if you don't use one of the specified cards, your automation system will have severe sound limitations, as in not being able to play certain types of audio files, and not being able to play more than one cut or source at a time and properly do a cross fade. And other goodies. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 11/5/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > Speaking of Wal Mart automation systems, do radio stations > use professional sound cards like the Lynx? > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Nov 05 14:02:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79067 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2008 22:02:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2008 22:02:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.165) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 22:02:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 22:02:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 22:02:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:02:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <380469.19851.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.165 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.179 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Small town radio and the economy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=en8llDEYJ2CKpHQJteT6i0UBulJub1jkUA8DkoqZ_eaCP5s7Gw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III"=20 wrote: > > I have not seen that name. Digigram and ASI are the one of the=20=20 ones that automation software has as specified. , and they generally=20 cost more than the computer ... a lot more. They take most of the=20 audio work off the computer overhead. In some cases if you don't use=20 one of the specified cards, your automation system will have severe=20 sound limitations, as in not being able to play certain types of=20 audio files, and not being able to play more than one cut or source=20 at a time and properly do a cross fade. And other goodies.=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 I don't want to be "tiresome" but I think we can use WinAmp and,=20 EVEN, the Windows Media Player as a basic automation system. ANOTHER THING IS TO RECORD AND EDIT OUR AUDIO!!! In this arena I=20 still prefer the old, but so good, Cool Edit Pro 2.0 and my Creative=20 SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 PC Sound Card!!! OK, I agree, not officially professional tools but... I bet you to=20 get the same quality, AT THIS VERY LOW PRICE, with another devices. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Nov 05 16:12:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71832 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 00:12:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2008 00:12:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.146) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 00:12:50 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n19.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2008 00:12:50 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.254] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2008 00:12:50 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2008 00:12:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 139706.2840.bm@omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 98863 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 00:12:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.15 with plain) by smtp127.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 00:12:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aWuU9_MVM1kf33ZgkfPvu3LWWiGkEsSNBF1v4sku5iBXm3ugKBOaWE0oXZZjlCKiL9zRPsaLnHsjcfYBUTBXjj_coAOp6HpdWiBMJRXyGVm9OrDsjRCY9smu6DrsY25OUuEIt6wc8tuC1Eyw42ZF.4rcupzbRu8aJm1DOQ3gc9p48olyLYBFrwRMeQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <8CB0D8616972B3D-990-E84@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB0D8616972B3D-990-E84@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2135DFD3-2D81-4BAB-9F97-A63403125891@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:12:48 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=wHxc7VQVITW0nz2M--pTuJrCAjKKnLpORt0KVxO3f6DvA9j1Tw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 5, 2008, at 11:50 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I am disappointed that my man Barack did not address the AM Stereo > issue last night in his victory speech. Me too. Where is Don Milbury? He seems quiet today. Kevin Adamsville, TN From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Nov 05 16:49:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84588 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 00:49:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2008 00:49:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 00:49:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 47706 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2008 00:49:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: F3PhAVsVM1lzYBsZFLLhvdvtfuwXVQYVtNxyNVYj6LTY1_gDS2J9Tq0vLqsQBt0WoT6WyXsbW3vp1dN0jvgAcwxeOEz5.PO0STUXEL6JQ8MD4Xyn5Xyj73bxtMcM5TvfbEvhADDEeVASSmlDyH51fNit.VOLi.K3ci_4lphhE2y9WhPOaKySQT2hT.FJ X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:49:29 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:49:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <2135DFD3-2D81-4BAB-9F97-A63403125891@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <975860.47309.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=eLU4sfzWl4FkSRFfTXPxBCtLfvNGSLclYhAQvQKFxgim6A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Uh, possibly in MOURNING? --- On Wed, 11/5/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: {AMSF} Don Milbury > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 7:12 PM > On Nov 5, 2008, at 11:50 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > I am disappointed that my man Barack did not address > the AM Stereo > > issue last night in his victory speech. > > Me too. > > Where is Don Milbury? He seems quiet today. > > Kevin > Adamsville, TN From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Nov 05 16:57:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19465 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 00:57:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2008 00:57:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 00:57:15 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.142] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081105185701002997700010.0) with SMTP id <20081105185701002997700010> for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:57:01 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00b701c93faa$cf4ba080$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <975860.47309.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:57:01 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=dUGHnV1-RcvsOI01yOC40LfgxoS8ElbVnEyll3gfKMRx7ijzSLUZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Possibly getting ready to turn in the licenses for his radio stations, sell the property while it's still valuable and won't be taxed to the point where he may as well just give it away. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:49 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don Milbury Uh, possibly in MOURNING? --- On Wed, 11/5/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: {AMSF} Don Milbury > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 7:12 PM > On Nov 5, 2008, at 11:50 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > > I am disappointed that my man Barack did not address > the AM Stereo > > issue last night in his victory speech. > > Me too. > > Where is Don Milbury? He seems quiet today. > > Kevin > Adamsville, TN --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Nov 05 17:15:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43320 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 01:15:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2008 01:15:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 01:15:24 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.142] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081105191500002169100010.0) with SMTP id <20081105191500002169100010> for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:15:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00bf01c93fad$524deae0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20080928.174746.16580.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:15:00 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} The US election X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=IndH68SGU_Y29UyJn09Ztx35ilCeVUsQlCVEVGx9yEkcHhRnvt33 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Answers within. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com This is a public response to the sort of things and challenges that our Scott Todd keeps throwing at me. Scott is a good family man. Hopefully he'll make an objective and positive decision ... as will all of you in the greatest country in the living world. The future is in your hands. Proudly voted McCain, thank you very much. Ian Davidson wrote: > What the Right should say is "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness > for all!" The "for all" is very much implied. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Todd [mailto:stodd@kkms.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:06 AM To: Ian Davidson Subject: Re: There Are Two Irreconcilable Americas Trouble is, there's no way all will achieve it. Some will fail. That's not a happy thought, but when government steps in and tries to equalize the outcomes, it degenerates into equal misery. No Scott. I don't believe so. I'm not an economics expert, but I have ideals. I think we should aim for equality, even if it's probably not acheivable. The only societies which have had more or less total equality has been the likes of the Spartans- they were sort of an ancient precursor to The Borg, except they destroyed rather than assimilated. In any political system "some will fail". But we should try to minimise this. It's not a valid reason not to try. What I have at least worked out recently is that my economic thoughts really aren't too bad. Yours is a nice sounding theory destined to be repeatedly get beaten up by gangs of cruel facts. As an acquaintance of mine often says- liberalism always creates the exact opposite of its stated intention. The only reason they don't abandon those theories is they sound so nice they couldn't possibly be wrong. Instead they only didn't get to do enough of what they wanted. Under George W Bush ... and previous Democratic and Republican governments ... the American economy has become loose wayward and greedy. Most of this has come about by people opposed to government regulation. Greed is an endemic problem no matter who is in power, no matter the economic system. We've got greedy union bosses who will be greatly enriched once the secret ballot is eliminated when deciding whether to unionize. A century ago workers could get punished by their company for organizing. Then came the secret ballot so they couldn't punish those who voted to unionize. Now Obama is going to remove that and the union thugs will be able to punish the workers who vote against it. Worse, a lot of union people, namely in the coal mining industry, have been thrown under the bus. You see, Obama wants to prevent any coal plants from being built, and likely will end up with the shut down of existing plants under the environazi global warming alarmist "cap and trade." Look for electric rates to double as well, and that's NOT including the taxes. You'll see massive unemployment in the coal producing regions, but the greedy union bosses will have unionized Wal Mart and all sorts of other smaller shops, so to hell with the coal miners. One of these days, Scott, you will realise that although the capitalist system probably is the best generation of industry and activity, it is far from perfect. It is open to manic greed. And it needs to be regulated by an altruistic government. Our conviction should be to democratically vote in the right government to look after these things. WHAT altruistic government? Name ONE! Hugo Chavez? Raul Castro? Otherwise I'd be happier to have a socialist government that looks after all (well most) citizens better even though the gross national product might be a bit lower. To me it's a net benefit. The rich would still be ... pretty rich and comfortable. The middle class and particularly the poor would be better off. This should lower the crime rate which occurs because of a stupid guns philosophy and the plight of a desperate poor. Sorry, pal, but socialism is an enabler of sloth and indolence. The very first government in America established by the Mayflower Compact was essentially socialist. It was scrapped only a few years later, and when people could keep the fruits of their labors the leaders found that surpluses abounded where there once was need. I'm looking very forward to watching the US election coverage tomorrow live on our local free to air TV networks. Hopefully Obama will win in a landslide. Even McCain talks change ... but offers nothing. Obama offers possitivity! A total new direction. The world wants to embrace him. Yeah- all the dictators and terrorists. Now France has a President that's to the right of ours. Whodathunk? I know I've said this to you privately, but not sure I've said it on this forum, but the world's leaders remind me more of the bar room scene of Star Wars than an assembly of reasonable people. Hopefully no more pre-emptive wars. No more wars fought on lies and deception. No more - you're with us or agin us. As a previous Australian Labor Party leader (before he became leader) here said in parliament - George W Bush is "the most incompetent and dangerous president in living memory". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Latham He was howled down when he said it, but I believe it's true. W will be vindicated within my lifetime. Considering you're not that much older than me, likely yours too. This dreadful era of imperialism, greed, torture, special rendition, and invasion must end! And replace it with a Civilian National Defense Corps which will look eerily like the German SA. It's time for the American government to STOP talking about Axies of Evil, and fear. It's time for the American government to act like a good world citizen. It's time for the American government to look after all its own citizens ... all of them ... properly! There's a much better chance that Barrack Obama will do this compared to John McCain (who seems to be an equally good man). Hopefully the majority of US citizens will realise that Bush was a disaster (in all senses of the word) and vote for Obama in a landslide. And the real winner is.Peggy the Moocher http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/05/and-the-real-winner-ispeggy-the-moocher/ Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Wed Nov 05 17:34:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91205 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 01:33:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2008 01:33:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 01:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail10.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.150]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABETEUKYAUQF4X2 for (sender ); Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:32:38 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDynmadH2QZ+gbFLczzt6Bgo= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail10.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NZADW3CW; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:32:29 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.20] by webmail10.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:31:52 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:31:52 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081105.173152.6996.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 4:6:2462602316 X-MAIL-INFO:348d00cdb9f5adb9a8ec55f8dcf5bd4dd138b57119dc9159ac05ed3869f1919cb55d25ed91aca149e8ec6c X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.150|webmail10.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=Ga5Mw2yBW7mW_eB4-tLfqEjK6AIiftAdhX90Wloiyg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn I don't understand. Is there supposed to be some Pavlofic response here? I'm just a guy that runs a few broadcast stations and is a registered membe= r of the "Leave Us Alone" political party. The first step in getting any government interest in am stereo will require= an interest by the public. Regretfully that interest died some time ago. D= id you miss the obituary notice?=20 Don Milbury -- kevin redding wrote: On Nov 5, 2008, at 11:50 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I am disappointed that my man Barack did not address the AM Stereo=20=20 > issue last night in his victory speech. Me too. Where is Don Milbury? He seems quiet today. Kevin Adamsville, TN From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Nov 05 17:44:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61837 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 01:43:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2008 01:43:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.188) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 01:43:56 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n22.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2008 01:43:56 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.254] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2008 01:43:56 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2008 01:43:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 530510.33426.bm@omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 19179 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 01:43:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.15 with plain) by smtp118.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 01:43:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: e75JniIVM1njkF4xSTzJRySJZ6ypdmrLJNr8cO.gQ10SfHSCjOb5pl8nWCR2M9nGw6Y6NAaUosPurNdY5VZFBC89uydzLOR6q64ZjPyDlkCeWwuqXgHfXh.RjjqdOo9D_gCuO28re5xHMLK.FIwIk.Jz1niLqiIG6Nx8ew-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081105.173152.6996.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> References: <20081105.173152.6996.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:43:53 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=a4pi_KuHCqLtNLGui74a0Fi-tMVCvjAOuITj8D3YzVBFjpftag X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > The first step in getting any government interest in am stereo will > require an interest by the public. Regretfully that interest died > some time ago. Did you miss the obituary notice? I believe AM Stereo unfortunately was still born. If I had to choose between it and IBOC, I would rather IBOC go away. Worry not, I don't think Obama will take your radio stations away. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Nov 05 18:26:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24861 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 02:26:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2008 02:26:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.222) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 02:26:34 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2008 02:26:34 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.244] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2008 02:26:34 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp405.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2008 02:26:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 624393.72365.bm@omp405.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 86244 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 02:26:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.15 with plain) by smtp124.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 02:26:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: cM2Q3msVM1mra6v20SJSAVis0ZltNq6NCb0UUPQQ8.Ehyway1tKdDjFkQ50oMA51GG4Ah3xQcZm6IDrF49kUZ.7xfFRaX1r4PdjfonjmSFbnDIZ5huMjxq4zkTPaGWfPkoF4vNH5rYkd_EfGXnX_f.xf9tPLnOEWk_aZCQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <975860.47309.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <975860.47309.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <94D651F8-CE83-4909-BE2A-65B5014C78E6@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:26:29 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=MzItV3IPaadUzTZifpkkQxTCE_pcFzFu1wGvg7z7eQOVIRnb6g X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 5, 2008, at 6:49 PM, george russell wrote: > Uh, possibly in MOURNING? I dunno but man, I have heard Republikans today say the most silly of things this day. All I have heard is wailing and gnashing of teeth as the earth is going to end now that they have been tossed out by a large electoral majority. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Nov 05 18:27:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27712 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 02:25:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2008 02:25:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.144) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 02:25:14 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2008 02:25:14 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.66] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2008 02:25:14 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2008 02:25:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 279001.99537.bm@omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 6232 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 02:25:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.15 with plain) by smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 02:25:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 02sbSsoVM1khk6IvX9O86hQAcjI2aNNC.nt40Zo0Nqqrhjozh4Iz3zhigEuqp9.PSuZBZv_WzutCWitnSZZD76TKqJA8YLzpwXGyPCvPIq98g.THG60Hbi5qAb39UYIemkN4NqE1VeIRnGFwANP0A0CYo_csAYAXLtqvp0w3m8OmZF46BqMhu1ywBw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <00b701c93faa$cf4ba080$d503fea9@stodd> References: <975860.47309.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00b701c93faa$cf4ba080$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <60FB3ED1-0623-4109-B14B-0B9D1CD46E18@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:25:05 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=VwBMn0RU9Eg6Uj99pUvlM8Kj-IphB7f_rfudo1Ow6lCqzQ-O_g X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 5, 2008, at 6:57 PM, wrote: > Possibly getting ready to turn in the licenses for his radio > stations, sell the property while it's still valuable and won't be > taxed to the point where he may as well just give it away. Scott, You are a bright fellow. Sometimes you say the most foolish of things. This statement above is foolish. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Nov 05 18:46:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95418 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 02:45:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2008 02:45:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 02:45:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 74922 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2008 02:45:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oxH4YKQVM1kMazTfRQrsIt56K5oTH9M78Qax0hWN1.rXeK2ZhQALhITqWvvl4TNz7mYkbDTVcKuON2KpRQZAZnCMUahzon2ep4xT9G0YoETI7tA6RiP8t_HVQbnBSFSkOs.D9euY4CAVpD8muPJzMBJYB_d4w2kxjAyZrZAOl3HpQqAXWIexMp5Bp54d X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:45:13 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:45:13 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <94D651F8-CE83-4909-BE2A-65B5014C78E6@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <790903.74141.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=tmq4bmIFzgn-LthNtnKBxTPvns5lVpQvpCQCEqouDPM9tg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 They should have seen the writing on the wall! the GOP (Greedy Oppressive Plutocrats) have finally got their come-uppins. Let's hope it isn't too LATE for change! I wonder if Flush, uh, that's Rush, will start that silly "America held hostage" crap again, like he did when Slick Willy was in the House? Oh well, sore losers, they had their day, they ruined it for everybody but themselves and their cronies, now maybe it is OUR turn! G --- On Wed, 11/5/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don Milbury > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 9:26 PM > On Nov 5, 2008, at 6:49 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Uh, possibly in MOURNING? > > I dunno but man, I have heard Republikans today say the > most silly of > things this day. All I have heard is wailing and gnashing > of teeth as > the earth is going to end now that they have been tossed > out by a > large electoral majority. > > Kevin From dav259@optusnet.com.au Thu Nov 06 00:50:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8802 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 08:50:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2008 08:50:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.187) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 08:50:25 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d122-104-64-222.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [122.104.64.222]) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA68oNfi019265 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:50:24 +1100 To: References: <20080928.174746.16580.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> <00bf01c93fad$524deae0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:50:21 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ack/rSdrRNu+Pej+TA+gnOcHco57IAAPS6mg In-Reply-To: <00bf01c93fad$524deae0$d503fea9@stodd> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.187 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The US election X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=Peo6b6r75BsJo0HaKEXrKK_yJX5cmK3qnhila9Bzp3PA X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Scott Todd Subject: The US election > Yeah- all the dictators and terrorists. Now France has a President that's > to the right of ours. Whodathunk? I know I've said this to you privately, > but not sure I've said it on this forum, but the world's leaders remind me > more of the bar room scene of Star Wars than an assembly of reasonable > people. THANKS! to all of you in the AMS Forum for voting in Obama in a landslide. The people of the world congratulate you. Most of us will sleep a lot better. I've been discussing politics and other things with Scott for over eight years since joining the somewhat fragile AMS lists. This is a good list that has outlasted most of the others. But even so, it looks like we're now losing the AMS fight everywhere ... even in America. It's probably best now if Scott and I take our discussions off-line again. And we'll return in four years time to discuss ... hmmmm ... let's just say ... "Lipstick on a Pig". But thanks again to you guys who finally seem to have gotten it right. I could ask ... what took you so long? But I won't. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@optusnet.com.au Thu Nov 06 02:17:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54044 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 10:17:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2008 10:17:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.184) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 10:17:12 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d122-104-64-222.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [122.104.64.222]) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA6AHAsO000820 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:17:11 +1100 To: References: <20080928.174746.16580.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> <00bf01c93fad$524deae0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:17:09 +1100 Message-ID: <1E1D42C22AF9453DB05A877F0E02932F@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ack/rSdrRNu+Pej+TA+gnOcHco57IAARVaTQ In-Reply-To: <00bf01c93fad$524deae0$d503fea9@stodd> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: The American Dream (Off-topic) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=UL7BiO9M5XuAEb6hatZIcbKWBKf7wzcsKTyCo8XfzXKE X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yo guys I seem to have gotten away with my previous political post. Maybe it's because of the remarkable feelings I have from Obama's win that I'd like to take it further. Maybe some of you would like to discuss this off-line to dav259@optusnet.com.au. I joined AMS lists (originally Brian's) in July 2000. There have been several since. It's been great getting to know some of you Yankees. I've had many good discussions with several of you. What I've realised is that most of you are no better or worse off than the people here in Oz. It also seems to me that anyone who lives in a city of over 1 million people seems to be able to have a pretty good infrastructure and reasonable services. America is blessed. It literally has everything. But ... maybe it's too big. Maybe the federal government is too powerful. Maybe it would be better if states did have a bigger say on some things. What amazes me is the media ... and that is relevant here. Why is it that huge cities like Chicago, Los Angeles, and Miami don't have their own local talk radio programs? What has gone wrong with local radio? Why aren't there more community (volunteer) stations? Why has it become almost impossible for a local music station with live 24/7 announcers to exist? Why are almost all American movies shot either in Hollywood, Canada, or (thankfully for us) Australia? You have so many great cities and locations. Why do they always have to give way to the powers that be in either NYC or LA? If I lived anywhere else in America I'd be rampant about having this situation stopped. Chicago is your third biggest city. It has certain things in common with Melbourne. If I lived in Chicago I'd be fighting for more movie, TV, and radio production. Why not? I'd be doing the same in other cities as well. On another point ... you have so relatively few news services. And they all seem to come out of New York (is CNN still in ... wherever it was? ... it now seems like New York). Is this what you want? What ever happened to local news? Or for that matter international news? Why do you let the powers that be dictate to you so much? Just something to think about. I sincerely hope that AMS survives in America, but I don't like its chances ... particularly now that all the "movers and shakers" seem to be buying cell phones that have everything - a camera, the internet, email, and FM radio ... but no AM radio. It's probably too late to stop this avalanche effectively against AM stereo radio. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Nov 06 05:38:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19406 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 13:38:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2008 13:38:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.220) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 13:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2008 13:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.252] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2008 13:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp413.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2008 13:38:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 177556.49743.bm@omp413.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 66538 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 13:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.205.7 with plain) by smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 13:38:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1EZJAggVM1kt.cs_4kvLVZiNnJ_HBcLgx9NOI2vxFLLGuWm9JcllQvRkGlNK7kKvokurfKgGW1nbU._L3WImy3YrRA9F11fOzJjqtYXorGaLKJkvJ272wyNSvtQYqSy.zdjAME50LHj6MvXosJPmEEKqxcWQH5Sr46aZeQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <20080928.174746.16580.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> <00bf01c93fad$524deae0$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 07:38:24 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} The US election X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=vaf85UjY6X0yeHA7abnCzugL4oWbwM-WHlVphYOZwNeyphY-VA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 6, 2008, at 2:50 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > THANKS! to all of you in the AMS Forum for voting in Obama in a > landslide. You're quite welcome. There are some real hateful bastards here in Tennessee. They hate blacks and they hate Democrats equally. I wore my Obama 08 shirt everywhere and got some real nasty looks. I got the evil eye like you have never seen. If looks could kill, I would have been long dead. > The people of the world congratulate you. Most of us will sleep a lot > better. I am very glad the general citizenry of the nation soundly crushed the party of George W, Bush and Dick Cheney whom Mr. Todd and Milbury supported. They are on the wrong side of history this time. I am very glad to see the REVERSE ROBIN HOOD party has been undone. I call them the reverse Robin Hood party because they long have taken from the poor and working to give to the ultra filthy rich. > But even so, it looks like we're now > losing the AMS fight everywhere ... even in America. Its done. AM$ never got a chance. > But thanks again to you guys who finally seem to have gotten it > right. I > could ask ... what took you so long? But I won't. I'm just ready for the wars to end, working people to get to keep their jobs and maybe for the rich to FINALLY pay their share. I would love to see them pay on 100% of their earnings to Social Security like those of us who make under $100k a year. That would go a LONG WAY to fixing things between the real wealthy and me. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Nov 06 06:00:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80121 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 14:00:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2008 14:00:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.147) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 14:00:03 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.225] by n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2008 14:00:03 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.242] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2008 14:00:03 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp403.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2008 14:00:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 107482.84615.bm@omp403.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 74131 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 14:00:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.205.7 with plain) by smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 14:00:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xfXB5lgVM1nu_06jeDNOW8Ia5.Djhfhy82sHXBTql88.pLGF1HSWwRxXrAP2EiHumvDR_BAnSApZxaLA_b.P6ZrIxwVZrApT90OYwtCVuU12TG0TpLNemuoQqdhijnmRul1UyAK25xa.sOAAxJPnwcydHYuB4gK.hr0z7Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <1E1D42C22AF9453DB05A877F0E02932F@seagull> References: <20080928.174746.16580.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> <00bf01c93fad$524deae0$d503fea9@stodd> <1E1D42C22AF9453DB05A877F0E02932F@seagull> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9A8B4460-894E-4AFC-8BAE-925E3B482874@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:00:01 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} The American Dream (Off-topic) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=jS9LdfBOEyqVVedxRwBD0wKku6Tudx5SxQ24Bp5t1Fef81WMyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > It also seems to me that anyone who lives in a city of over 1 > million people > seems to be able to have a pretty good infrastructure and reasonable > services. I lived in those cities and you are correct. I also now live in a town of 1,300 people. I have the same services and infrastructure in the country. > America is blessed. It literally has everything. No we don't. We do not have much compassion for those who are not exceptionally well heeled. If you work for a living you are treated like a tool. The corporate entities just do not care. We do not have health care for all citizens. We just don't care enough for children to let them all have medical care. We sure can fight to force someone to have a child but as soon as its born, we just don't care enough to care for them. > Maybe the federal government is too powerful. Maybe it would be > better if states did have a bigger say on some things. Neither the Republicans nor Democrats really want individual states to have more power. If it were so, then it would be the case. This is a situation of "by their fruits shall ye know them." I am sure the Republicans will howl about this and say its the Democrats who will not let this happen, but they had the Executive, House, Senate and Judiciary for six years and well, they did nothing to move in that direction. The fruits of their decisions, thats what you look at. The Democrats will do nothing in this direction either. > Why is it that huge cities like Chicago, Los Angeles, and Miami > don't have > their own local talk radio programs? You are confused here. They do have their own local radio talk programs. Every town and city has more than one. > What has gone wrong with local radio? Why aren't there more community > (volunteer) stations? We do have some. They are called LPFM but the National Association of Broadcasters fight all good change tooth and nail. Radio in America is a group as a whole that is unable to walk as they have shot themselves in the feet so many times. I would like to see more 100W stations out there and fewer SATELLATORS or TRANSLATORS. Satellators and translators are just plain evil crap because almost all of them belong to some religious group that does not have a church in the area. I just hate them with a passion. Its not because I am not religious because I do go to church, its because they clog up the band and make it hard for an LPFM to come on the air. > Why has it become almost impossible for a local music station with > live 24/7 > announcers to exist? Its because the Republicans deregulated as much as they could. Corporations could then fire staff and then put on McRadio off the satellite without much in the way of locally originated programming. Its all about money in the short term. > Why are almost all American movies shot either in Hollywood, > Canada, or > (thankfully for us) Australia? A lot of cowboy movies are filmed in eastern Arizona. > Chicago is your third biggest city. It has certain things in > common with > Melbourne. If I lived in Chicago I'd be fighting for more movie, > TV, and > radio production. Why not? They sure have TV and a lot of it. Oprah Winfrey has her monster TV and satellite radio empire from Chicago. > On another point ... you have so relatively few news services. And > they all > seem to come out of New York (is CNN still in ... wherever it > was? ... it > now seems like New York). CNN is in Atlanta. > Is this what you want? What ever happened to local news? We have it on TV at 6 AM, 12 noon, 6 PM or 10 or 11 PM every day. > Or for that matter international news? We don't have much of that. You have to watch CNN International or PBS to get that. You are just far away and get a skewed view of things. Its bad in ways and good in ways but we don't have everything. America is a good place, but it sure is not paradise unless you are really, really rich. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Nov 06 06:56:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24054 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 14:54:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2008 14:54:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 14:54:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45317 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2008 14:54:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ef3GnXUVM1lxz3iVsNe_.L010.oAw.PhTzHG3m8LKcBmfsOycDQjHJ68IPAON29NbadB84qGe9Auc6BBf4pGdpsBW.S2mRVSzO33t_UH0cg7fo_j.kR5iBrmRO_JWUqKYsBOCw1oD4ddEzabLIXAEB_I.19XviY29H.ick8dEuzMoqdjrIZYSU6_6A-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.59] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:54:35 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 06:54:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <833210.5613.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The US election X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=eezn3qVob2g_KYXjfZqn2TPwySVr829KdFlAYqeuhjI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you count the popular vote, it wasn't a landslide. The popular vote was quite close. It could have been that McCain who is NOT a conservative by any means could have won the popular vote and lost the electoral college vote by almost the same amount. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Ian Davidson wrote: THANKS! to all of you in the AMS Forum for voting in Obama in a landslide. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Nov 06 07:08:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91737 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 15:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2008 15:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 15:08:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7615 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2008 15:08:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kuaVEekVM1mLPHqwGZuGa0BcfE883mu2ZTN2RjoNj3UtufyW_tGCUgpToMZA1aMPwAEpP2PHfeJ9C2atqoK40OHv0qWo8cGwy0QgRFLnEvNxvcMBIRhN5Beedf8WQBtxL6JEU8OFCPRMhO0i9yslM9T60yFLq.4_nN4H1n12hoAyC_ZGVy9J45XRMw-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.59] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:08:45 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 07:08:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1E1D42C22AF9453DB05A877F0E02932F@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <525145.7437.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The American Dream (Off-topic) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=DE2uxqOaopy6rdKb8iNNxRhzbLi8cyW-2qRfTIVM53g X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Comments imbedded inline.... NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Ian Davidson wrote: > > It also seems to me that anyone who lives in a city of over > 1 million people > seems to be able to have a pretty good infrastructure and > reasonable services. And lot of small towns. I would no longer EVER consider living in a large city. I live in a county of maybe 20,000 to 30,000. Out of our registered voters we had a 81% turnout. > America is blessed. It literally has everything. But ... > maybe it's too > big. Maybe the federal government is too powerful. Maybe > it would be > better if states did have a bigger say on some things. That's what us REAL conservatives have said for many decades. > What amazes me is the media ... and that is relevant here. The media here is totally different in makeup than other countries. > Why is it that huge cities like Chicago, Los Angeles, and > Miami don't have > their own local talk radio programs? They do. > What has gone wrong with local radio? Why aren't there > more community (volunteer) stations? Because no one wants to volunteer, and do it on a continuing regular basis. > Why has it become almost impossible for a local music > station with live 24/7 announcers to exist? COST. A lot of radio stations are actually making very little money. A lot in a chain aren't making any. Otherwise they would have gone dark. > Why are almost all American movies shot either in > Hollywood, Canada, or (thankfully for us) Australia? That I don't know. > You have so many great cities and locations. Why do they > always have to > give way to the powers that be in either NYC or LA? If I > lived anywhere > else in America I'd be rampant about having this > situation stopped. And it won't ever be. > Chicago is your third biggest city. It has certain things > in common with > Melbourne. If I lived in Chicago I'd be fighting for > more movie, TV, and > radio production. Why not? Corruptness? > I'd be doing the same in other cities as well. > > On another point ... you have so relatively few news > services. And they all > seem to come out of New York (is CNN still in ... wherever > it was? ... it > now seems like New York). CNN had been based in Atlanta for a long time. > Is this what you want? What ever happened to local news? > Or for that matter international news? It's there. In a lot of cities.... "If it bleeds, it leads" is the way it is done. > Why do you let the powers that be dictate to you so much? Laziness and apathy abound. > Just something to think about. > > I sincerely hope that AMS survives in America, but I > don't like its chances > ... particularly now that all the "movers and > shakers" seem to be buying > cell phones that have everything - a camera, the internet, > email, and FM > radio ... but no AM radio. Change that to radio..... both AM and FM. So many of the big companies are "circling the drain"...... Powell From w6yn@juno.com Thu Nov 06 09:04:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8633 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 17:03:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2008 17:03:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 17:03:34 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail07.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.147]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABETGJ3YA5C6HSA for (sender ); Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:02:46 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD9Jqzn2E4gi/932SQvoCL9M= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail07.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NZB249NV; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:02:06 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.20] by webmail07.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:01:41 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:01:41 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081106.090141.12547.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 9:4:2410176906 X-MAIL-INFO:3cf9419dc13868b179791941c5d8c868f16548896955287cc8c1e889c1c5a5f9ec0de811451c25e5b1850d7d191d59c925cc6d8d4c7d4c080c6d1da5394168cd2d1d39b83c3d5875cd75c9f931ed X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.147|webmail07.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=RGYxqXdmovDbRxzjTAU66w-uoZ4mVuEUxSSfMgVF5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn For now, we have a new president-elect. In the spirit of reaching across th= e aisle, we owe it to the Democrats to show their president the exact same = kind of respect and loyalty that they have shown our current president. Don -- george russell wrote: They should have seen the writing on the wall! the GOP (Greedy Oppressive = Plutocrats) have finally got their come-uppins. Let's hope it isn't too LA= TE for change!=20=20 I wonder if Flush, uh, that's Rush, will start that silly "America held hos= tage" crap again, like he did when Slick Willy was in the House? Oh well, sore losers, they had their day, they ruined it for everybody but = themselves and their cronies, now maybe it is OUR turn! G --- On Wed, 11/5/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don Milbury > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 9:26 PM > On Nov 5, 2008, at 6:49 PM, george russell wrote: >=20 > > Uh, possibly in MOURNING? >=20 > I dunno but man, I have heard Republikans today say the > most silly of=20=20 > things this day. All I have heard is wailing and gnashing > of teeth as=20=20 > the earth is going to end now that they have been tossed > out by a=20=20 > large electoral majority. >=20 > Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Nov 06 09:31:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60571 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 17:31:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2008 17:31:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.220) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 17:31:38 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2008 17:28:41 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.250] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2008 17:28:41 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2008 17:28:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 393940.20875.bm@omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 65548 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 17:28:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.205.7 with plain) by smtp123.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 17:28:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .KZpUgUVM1mVJ_xFAhAe5tvkpx4.lNb5qqN56cd4n8DqwEYZiqZo2cVKiTN9GsCctNb94IfKdB0QqJUaeKMfxEji.nhqGvsQc61YfAsYanZpZCJhLFVflddPE4G46IsIZRYvlq87UzgAsb.BBXYdvsYKQ3FInYTGBTXZKA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081106.090141.12547.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> References: <20081106.090141.12547.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <04EDE2A7-566C-4A20-9593-AA32B92DF658@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:28:39 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=2fYhS50MlSA2MJZxnEPW6kpOaOSdLaUK21GL5IfIJyPZi-xY3w X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 6, 2008, at 5:01 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > For now, we have a new president-elect. In the spirit of reaching > across the aisle, we owe it to the Democrats to show their > president the exact same kind of respect and loyalty that they have > shown our current president. Absolutely. We didn't kill Bush or Cheney. Kevin From keith1226@yahoo.com Thu Nov 06 09:52:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88666 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 17:51:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2008 17:51:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.89) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 17:51:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54965 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2008 17:51:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dlVUpPgVM1mZHPHIEeq1yZma47p7TfO9oUZiAsnAjd.p05dv7EjrXbWZArr_nPT2mR.dRG92J_hynWGUXa7MO_7sla4x01Y7fBU.iypetiEJfM0LstdgO5JMknn4Sr6H5ACpOU2LGvMtZE0qcRwpOIFat8bjRI4FLY5vcAMXgHK5B43zEQ1VBcLIoOc- X-Received: from [71.197.193.155] by web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:51:30 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:51:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <525145.7437.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <702220.54556.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Reply-To: keith1226@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The American Dream (Off-topic) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=TBYcrGDShVtHuDd24okMDQ8-lm1Ykm_tWqTR3XK1bLvCX6xn X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 > > Why are almost all American movies shot either in > > Hollywood, Canada, or (thankfully for us) Australia? When the U.S. film industry was in its infancy, it was based in New York City. About 90 years ago, the film industry relocated to Hollywood (Los Angeles) because, at the time, most shooting was done outdoors to take advantage of natural light, and LA had more of it. The American film and TV industry has been based there ever since. When they film elsewhere, it's usually because of cost savings (favorable exchange rates, etc.). Vancouver, B.C., Canada often "stands in" for Seattle, WA because the two cities are somewhat similar in appearance, and Toronto for NYC or Chicago for the same reason. When they want to make a Toronto street scene look more like NYC, they have to add more trash and graffiti (no joke). > > Is this what you want? What ever happened to local > news? > > Or for that matter international news? > Local and national news are readily available on broadcast AM, FM and TV. If you want international news, or different perspectives on our national news, you have to turn to other sources: shortwave radio, cable tv, or the internet. Regards, Keith Beesley Seattle WA USA > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Nov 06 16:33:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41520 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2008 00:33:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2008 00:33:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.27) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 00:33:03 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 8so1204187qwh.63 for ; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:33:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.243.17 with SMTP id q17mr3199220qah.299.1226017982464; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:33:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm2725791yws.5.2008.11.06.16.33.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:33:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <840480CE-C1C2-4C20-A2B2-2FDCD448DD06@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:32:57 -0500 References: <20080928.174746.16580.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> <00bf01c93fad$524deae0$d503fea9@stodd> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} The US election X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=TBy4qHUcewIhVBQDHcM0NwrHtLio8Sl7liCmqKlG_acrXtmF1hSx7IuVdstbEg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Nov 6, 2008, at 3:50 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > THANKS! to all of you in the AMS Forum for voting in Obama in a > landslide. I punched a Straight Republican ticket. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Nov 06 16:35:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98144 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2008 00:35:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2008 00:35:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com) (216.252.100.58) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 00:35:04 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2008 00:35:03 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.68] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2008 00:35:03 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2008 00:35:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 905050.49761.bm@omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 28564 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2008 00:35:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.205.7 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 00:35:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jG5HgmsVM1mIpfzexFFZCxvo3598fNjRxDzpKU_dtLPRtc5UHlYl8YX1z8PulmsFqJVpnTPy2q6bbn0mAHzLYxhLpFiRexgabUJhrV6Fu.mZEogI5oC.a3GgENZz7sZn9.O0ZNH4Mqfjqo2miotrkpP98ZxnGnQf0TADHg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <840480CE-C1C2-4C20-A2B2-2FDCD448DD06@gmail.com> References: <20080928.174746.16580.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> <00bf01c93fad$524deae0$d503fea9@stodd> <840480CE-C1C2-4C20-A2B2-2FDCD448DD06@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <15D6BEE7-F5DA-47F9-AC98-837290E70851@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:35:01 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 216.252.100.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} The US election X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=0gWxBjeG131WUdvilE-W7yhAxS8CS9tp-7OI_OP7XSxjk56ZwA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla We forgive you. Kevin On Nov 6, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > I punched a Straight Republican ticket. From dwtpa97@verizon.net Thu Nov 06 19:34:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28214 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2008 03:34:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2008 03:34:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173003pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 03:34:10 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9Y00L5A1WXPEK0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:34:10 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:34:10 -0500 To: Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20080928.174746.16580.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> <00bf01c93fad$524deae0$d503fea9@stodd> <840480CE-C1C2-4C20-A2B2-2FDCD448DD06@gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The US election X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=sGfeiUBThwq4WTpvOYhUIhh37hUO11l2FwUVqPjJJRQ0SA X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm glad the nastiest, most vicious political campaign in American history is over. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} The US election On Nov 6, 2008, at 3:50 AM, Ian Davidson wrote: > THANKS! to all of you in the AMS Forum for voting in Obama in a > landslide. I punched a Straight Republican ticket. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Thu Nov 06 20:31:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58991 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2008 04:31:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2008 04:31:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 04:31:12 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail03.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.143]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABETHTEDANCXYAJ for (sender ); Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:30:59 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD8OnAWTyHGDnrql2ue+vAGM= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail03.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NZDAHE8H; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:30:20 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.20] by webmail03.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 04:30:09 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 04:30:09 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081106.203009.10298.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:2:3759362644 X-MAIL-INFO:364025e1b0c46d341d75712555147d94197d7d71556d19 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.143|webmail03.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The US election X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=toyObArt2dEEGEIILTVgXmImzvJraODXGHUpyvxd6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn I presume you have never studied American political history. This was one o= f the more gentile. I think the most vicious campaigns were when the KKK wa= s terrorizing Negros and Republicans in the southern states not to long ago= in the Reconstruction-era. Don Milbury -- "Dick W" wrote: I'm glad the nastiest, most vicious political campaign in American history = is over.=20=20 Dick W. =20=20 From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Nov 07 05:28:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63601 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2008 13:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2008 13:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173005pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.5) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 13:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9Y0009LTDUH1Z1@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 07:27:32 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:27:31 -0500 To: Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20081106.203009.10298.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The US election X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=euU8OJ7axDZ5mbvBZwl-S_dYreBSJPAiSixeUL9HfZZ59w X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I wasn't thinking about the reconstruction period a hundred years ago. Regardless, I wouldn't call this one of the more gentile. In my opinion, there were elements of it that were disgraceful. I'm glad it's over. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 11:30 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} The US election I presume you have never studied American political history. This was one of the more gentile. I think the most vicious campaigns were when the KKK was terrorizing Negros and Republicans in the southern states not to long ago in the Reconstruction-era. Don Milbury -- "Dick W" wrote: I'm glad the nastiest, most vicious political campaign in American history is over. Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 07 06:23:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54418 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2008 14:20:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2008 14:20:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 14:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2008 14:20:30 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.253] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2008 14:20:30 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2008 14:20:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 663547.70392.bm@omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 61921 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2008 14:20:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.197.124 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 14:20:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BIXKZWUVM1nteG9.vpxgv04Q.n5Z_pQDwaX.9_qwYMILsRU46U3bkZLpOHGHSXTld0amANWNWWJO7DU4xoljDP4AwjWcMvfzmDtDcDIFvmUGs4U94YFHT2Sl8gHql25sH_AAQBjt8Jwv6oyIU8vC7gosE2gpXjWpeuSL.w-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: References: <20081106.203009.10298.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3568954E-48E6-47F2-8B16-F26F8B9B12E2@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:20:29 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} The US election X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=TDrGKBtIL3KRmMSsJSzrRS8V_VYJ3tyQ7GIVhQXUMiYfDFaQJw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > This was one of the more gentile. Gentile - A non Jewish person Gentle - moderate in action Genteel - refined, respectable, polite. I don't think you were calling the candidates Gentiles, of course, unless either of you are Jewish, then it becomes a bit humorous and a joke. Kevin From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Nov 07 07:12:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93030 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2008 15:11:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2008 15:11:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173001pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.1) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 15:11:42 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K9Y0069IY7B9KW2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:11:36 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:11:35 -0500 To: Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20081106.203009.10298.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <3568954E-48E6-47F2-8B16-F26F8B9B12E2@yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The US election X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=Xjkz7hs56KSzPbf85jmq3Ao4x3aXOcm7NKHysKsurJ4ogQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think we both need to go back to school! Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:20 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} The US election > This was one of the more gentile. Gentile - A non Jewish person Gentle - moderate in action Genteel - refined, respectable, polite. I don't think you were calling the candidates Gentiles, of course, unless either of you are Jewish, then it becomes a bit humorous and a joke. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Fri Nov 07 07:31:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 141 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2008 15:31:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2008 15:31:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 15:31:22 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail20.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.160]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABETJZ4EATLRAM2 for (sender ); Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:31:16 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDwWmYajOAq86aZZlmq2U48M= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail20.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NZEGAXK2; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 07:30:53 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.20] by webmail20.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:30:28 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:30:28 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081107.073028.21970.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:2767872913 X-MAIL-INFO:3b6dd445d44589d1897d308941301120f0b17565d0653854f17531a474c994b49d65d16dc440b96540417d547d6d30405d38b55571ed7d85b5f56020ad70ad70a0e0a0f1b0a0f0b0c9b5d94dd5848184a99180d52910d00d64cd3184e020c0e11d84e1f0f191f120b0e18da95149991955b555397111397134b57101495135b1d1c1412d9440eda1b4c4890ded41405d3d858985157480fd518941741401390185d97480bdd5b959718001d944841de9010d84290990cde5e9e5313d20adf99d25441000f1492049e08d00f9c9d06130b065c975f9f9f1941d9475754d897531d46d99dd40418941bd354521 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.160|webmail20.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The US election X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=QqQhKC9BGaG57Xb9kSdeErO6f0Jaa5z5oreEJHE0KA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Obviously referring to an Italian philosopher. He too had orgasms over misspelled words! Don -- kevin redding wrote: > This was one of the more gentile. Gentile - A non Jewish person Gentle - moderate in action Genteel - refined, respectable, polite. I don't think you were calling the candidates Gentiles, of course,=20=20 unless either of you are Jewish, then it becomes a bit humorous and a=20=20 joke. Kevin ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Be genteel, Don. 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From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 07 09:50:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41165 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2008 17:50:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2008 17:50:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 17:50:33 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.153] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081107113043002719600010.0) with SMTP id <20081107113043002719600010> for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:30:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005301c940fe$cd38eaa0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20081106.090141.12547.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <04EDE2A7-566C-4A20-9593-AA32B92DF658@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:30:43 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=dRQWt2FHXi25tezEAHrA8ZozBz_I5hsWhNn1TdIvkW8TcyU6TXm5 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At least not physically. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 11:31 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don Milbury On Nov 6, 2008, at 5:01 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > For now, we have a new president-elect. In the spirit of reaching > across the aisle, we owe it to the Democrats to show their > president the exact same kind of respect and loyalty that they have > shown our current president. Absolutely. We didn't kill Bush or Cheney. Kevin --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 07 10:01:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23623 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2008 18:01:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2008 18:01:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 18:01:21 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.153] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081107120102001205100010.0) with SMTP id <20081107120102001205100010> for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:01:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00d201c94103$09bda2a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <975860.47309.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00b701c93faa$cf4ba080$d503fea9@stodd> <60FB3ED1-0623-4109-B14B-0B9D1CD46E18@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:01:02 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don Milbury X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=pAuEm-vDH3rEpu6SBB_pHLbxPCBnSL7fKDH2YMvSOGrjgGWX1VO4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chill, dude. I knew it was over the top when I wrote it. Just trying to tweak you. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:27 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don Milbury On Nov 5, 2008, at 6:57 PM, wrote: > Possibly getting ready to turn in the licenses for his radio > stations, sell the property while it's still valuable and won't be > taxed to the point where he may as well just give it away. Scott, You are a bright fellow. Sometimes you say the most foolish of things. This statement above is foolish. Kevin --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Nov 07 12:37:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70214 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2008 20:37:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2008 20:37:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 20:37:22 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c5c.3c8bc673 (37122) for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:37:19 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from webmail-db10 (webmail-db10.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.75]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA018-91024914a6ff152; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:37:19 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:37:19 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-db10.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.75) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:37:19 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB0F2FC3953F0E-163C-7DD@webmail-db10.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: New Administration X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=hxZAco0nYkae3TCsQsPf22khai-3VbLmizQwsNbPVPeokGQRaeYgxc4nHrZFe-iL X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I understand Brother Barack has tasked Rahm Emmanuel to give promotion of C= -Quam AM Stereo his top priority and the President Elect will be addressing= the United Nations on this issue shortly after he takes office. Al Gore has had a ultra-top secret briefing at the Argonne National Laborat= ory near Chicago on their discovery that significantly lower greenhouse gas= es have been recorded at Tinsley Park which they believe is due to WLS's 50= kW C-Quam signal during the nightime hours.=C2=A0=C2=A0Readings taken duri= ng=C2=A0the Codename=C2=A0Big=C2=A0 89 Rewind experiment=C2=A0suggest that = even further reductions could be achieved if the station returns to its pre= vious format.=C2=A0=20 To accomodate this readjustment, Talk Radio will only be allowed on Part 15= facilities with the exception of Air America which will be carried on=C2= =A0implants conversatives will have inserted in their heads at the re-educa= tion camps which will take the place of Camp X-ray at Gitmo.=C2=A0 Due to h= is extensive background in education, fellow Chicago resident=C2=A0William = Ayers, will be tapped by the new President to head up the program.=C2=A0 Lo= ng time Obama associate Tony Rezko has been chosen to head up the new Domes= tic Security Force which will provide logistical support for the re-educati= on program just as soon as he receives his pardon.=C2=A0 The program has te= natively been called "The Chicago Way" referring to a dispute resolution me= thodology developed in the Windy City during Prohibition. Gotta run.=C2=A0 I need to get my meds refilled. Mike -----Original Message----- From: PW To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 4:41 pm Subject: {AMSF} Re: recent stereo confirmations The streaming link you see is currently down and from what I know, is NOT for WHWH 1350.. it is for something else. The creator of WYNORADIO.COM is or was an engineer, and has pictures of WHWH.. but I think that is the only relation between WHWH and WYNORadio.Com Paul Walker www.onairdj.com --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 > When you enter to their page, take a look at the left botton part.=20 > You'll see a dark square with the legend: "LISTEN LIVE" and "CLICK=20 > HERE". That's all you need, man!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love > =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 07 12:43:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65024 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2008 20:42:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2008 20:42:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.145) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 20:42:58 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.225] by n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2008 20:42:48 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.252] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2008 20:42:57 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp413.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2008 20:42:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 755713.5602.bm@omp413.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 59596 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2008 20:42:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.248 with plain) by smtp113.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2008 20:42:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HgygbtIVM1mW55IoFmLBgnwCHMiEHoYMPprKvydflNmxkWJ_ygDEVa6_CnhVShyqZLB13Fm_rBPtRcvu2bpGIVL750nNkN44PQN9S7w.pG7_ytW1O2p_2geWZySxp6ky2TzFSmzAHuCnkd915boybA1P67kE1eUau9vwN1RCI5M_YKpf0_enJXmz9g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <005301c940fe$cd38eaa0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <20081106.090141.12547.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <04EDE2A7-566C-4A20-9593-AA32B92DF658@yahoo.com> <005301c940fe$cd38eaa0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <701D440F-35B6-47C3-ACBA-468BD44EBDAC@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:42:55 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.145 From: kevin redding Subject: Scott Todd and Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=vrhUS2gZwHniQIUrK02fErHOsrSVSvO4xNmc9CMv3y7iIuNPpw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla To Ian, if Scott says that I didn't rip Clinton when he was in, please remind him of how I felt about him. To Scott, On Nov 7, 2008, at 11:30 AM, wrote: > At least not physically. Without any doubt, George W. Bush was the greatest failure ever to have been elected to the office of President. He has been as terrible on the middle class, working families and the poor. He started a war that was 100% unnecessary and caused the murder of 1.25 million innocent civilians and dislocation of millions more. He mistreated the people of New Orleans and they are still in dire situations since Katrina. He has wrecked the Constitution and used it for nothing more than toilet paper. He has hired mercenaries in the form of Blackwater and not only used them in foreign nations when we have a military to do this, he used them in New Orleans to confiscate legal firearms of individuals in contravention to the 2nd Amendment. He has created a burgeoning deficit and mishandled two wars. His economic plans have wrecked the banking, stock market and housing sectors of the economy. He refused to stop illegal aliens from entering the nation. He passed the worst bankruptcy laws this nation has ever had. He even passed laws that took overtime money from working people while sending their jobs overseas. Scott, you are going to regurgitate some useless lies and crap you heard from Salem who is right wing to the max. You are going to try to blame this on someone else besides the Republicans and Bush but I am here to tell you that you and Don are WRONG if you do this. If you are the president and the party in power, then change things for the PEOPLE instead of sucking ass on the business and rich end of the economy. If Bush and the Republicans were not so small minded and hateful for those who do not have a lot of money they would not have created this mess they did. We have a stock marked that dropped from 14,140 to about 8800 today because of his LACK OF LEADERSHIP. The jobs are gone and people can't stay in their houses. No leadership from the Republicans. Your party was creamed spitless in 2006 and 2008. Most of the nation disagrees with you and Don. I would suggest to Republicans to rethink the things they have done because they have been more than decimated. The Republican party and President Bush deserve every scrap of scorn and repudiation they get and then some. Personally, I believe that Bush and Cheney belong in JAIL. If the Republicans don't wake up, in two years they will be even more ineffective and closer to extinction. Believe what you want but if the GOP does not change to reflect what the people want, then they will vanish. But back to Bush, he was the very worst president the United States ever had to date. You remember and I know Ian does too how I ripped Clinton constantly but I have to say, Bush has been the most ineffective, most selfish, most uneducated, most ignorant and worst all around politician I have ever seen in my 52 years of life. I can only thank him for one thing. It is George W. Bush and his ridiculously awful treatment of the working class and poor that caused the resurgence and prominence of the Democratic party. Without Bush and Cheney, the Republicans would still be in power. Kevin From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 07 16:07:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 509 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 00:07:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 00:07:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 00:07:33 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.125] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081107180710002493100016.0) with SMTP id <20081107180710002493100016> for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:07:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004401c94136$2ec56e60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20081106.090141.12547.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <04EDE2A7-566C-4A20-9593-AA32B92DF658@yahoo.com> <005301c940fe$cd38eaa0$d503fea9@stodd> <701D440F-35B6-47C3-ACBA-468BD44EBDAC@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:07:10 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Scott Todd and Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=x46UhVpT7IZM5L-cAm6_p_xAyNLeIXxz7EBS3RWICbqBwesa59wW X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit answers within- ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:43 PM Without any doubt, George W. Bush was the greatest failure ever to have been elected to the office of President. He has been as terrible on the middle class, working families and the poor. He started a war that was 100% unnecessary and caused the murder of 1.25 million innocent civilians and dislocation of millions more. Your stats are GROSSLY OVERINFLATED. He mistreated the people of New Orleans and they are still in dire situations since Katrina. How come the folks of neighboring Mississippi have largely rebuilt, hmmmmm??? They didn't get any more help than the folks across the state line. He has wrecked the Constitution and used it for nothing more than toilet paper. He has hired mercenaries in the form of Blackwater and not only used them in foreign nations when we have a military to do this, he used them in New Orleans to confiscate legal firearms of individuals in contravention to the 2nd Amendment. And you think I'M paranoid? Where did this Blackwater taking firearms in N.O. come from? The Daily Kos? Huffington Post or Media Matters?? That was strictly Nagin's decision. He has created a burgeoning deficit and mishandled two wars. His economic plans have wrecked the banking, stock market and housing sectors of the economy. Nope- it was Democrats who forced banks to loan to poor people with subprime loans to make things more "fair." He refused to stop illegal aliens from entering the nation. No argument there, but he wasn't alone nor was it limited to the Republicans. He passed the worst bankruptcy laws this nation has ever had. He even passed laws that took overtime money from working people while sending their jobs overseas. Did you get this from the same source as the 1.2 million civilians killed in Iraq? It's greedy government with it's high taxes and onerous regulations that PUSHES jobs overseas. They're not just sent. Scott, you are going to regurgitate some useless lies and crap you heard from Salem who is right wing to the max. You are going to try to blame this on someone else besides the Republicans and Bush but I am here to tell you that you and Don are WRONG if you do this. If you are the president and the party in power, then change things for the PEOPLE instead of sucking ass on the business and rich end of the economy. If Bush and the Republicans were not so small minded and hateful for those who do not have a lot of money they would not have created this mess they did. We have a stock marked that dropped from 14,140 to about 8800 today because of his LACK OF LEADERSHIP. The jobs are gone and people can't stay in their houses. No leadership from the Republicans. Bush's problem was that he wasn't conservative enough. There should have been NO bail-out, a position not shared by most of the Salem hosts, BTW. The drop was caused by the aforementioned subprime loans. Reform of Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae was blocked by Democrats, if you actually watched that You Tube video Don posted. Your party was creamed spitless in 2006 and 2008. Most of the nation disagrees with you and Don. I would suggest to Republicans to rethink the things they have done because they have been more than decimated. The Republican party and President Bush deserve every scrap of scorn and repudiation they get and then some. Personally, I believe that Bush and Cheney belong in JAIL. If the Republicans don't wake up, in two years they will be even more ineffective and closer to extinction. Believe what you want but if the GOP does not change to reflect what the people want, then they will vanish. But back to Bush, he was the very worst president the United States ever had to date. You remember and I know Ian does too how I ripped Clinton constantly but I have to say, Bush has been the most ineffective, most selfish, most uneducated, most ignorant and worst all around politician I have ever seen in my 52 years of life. I've said it before but I'll say it again- Bush will be vindicated in our lifetime. I can only thank him for one thing. It is George W. Bush and his ridiculously awful treatment of the working class and poor that caused the resurgence and prominence of the Democratic party. Without Bush and Cheney, the Republicans would still be in power. Believe it or not you're right, but for NONE of the reasons you specified. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Fri Nov 07 16:14:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33839 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 00:14:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 00:14:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 00:14:48 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail07.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.147]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABETKYRPA266E6J for (sender ); Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:14:37 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD4GZ7ZyGDXkbjOujcZwnIeY= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail07.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NZFD9AG7; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:14:16 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.20] by webmail07.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:13:11 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:13:11 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081107.161311.8069.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 32:16:27163362 X-MAIL-INFO:1597ab63ab633adf3a8aca3a4aca6abf2e33379f779f5bd33b37be138bcff7af5f9fdf979ada0f9fda4a8ad38a97cadacb5b4fb71edb8af34fce6ebf2bfb2bfb3e0e3e3be33e2ee3cf4fa3e77a7bb37b8703ae7a0a4777eb236fbe7b0ebf4b4eaa7b4e2e3b033bbfe34eba87ef832a73b74fb7931e6a931e6b4f1e8e83ef5e33df0b4abbf7dadb27af9a3aebdb4adacbfef33af3c38bae07ef3a4a8b9e8e938ef3a38baeee7a0fa71eae8ea31b7baa028eeb7b0ad72f6f8f028fbefebf2b9b5fea1b47433b83bf830eba439bcf775acae39fcf379b9b3bf7aaf73737e73a37beab972adeda4a3a4aee5e63fa X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.147|webmail07.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Scott Todd and Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=_hkgUlo_KdFMtwD8ZrA1beACIK6pr5XeKRzwYoPIVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn What's with Obama's choice of old-time Clinton cronies and recycled Washing= ton insiders to run the transition to his new politics of change? Can't the anti-Washington insiders President-elect find anyone who isn't a = Beltway has-been?=20 Judging by the appointments to his transition committee and leaks about pos= sible top staff and Cabinet choices, Obama appears to be practicing the pol= itics of status quo, not the politics of change.=20 Obama based his innovative campaign on an emphatic and convincing commitmen= t to change the culture of Washington and bring in new people, new ideas, a= nd new ways of doing business. But now, Obama has definitely changed his tune. As president-elect, he's br= ought back the old Washington hacks, party regulars, and Clinton sycophants= that he so frequently disparaged. Like Jimmy Carter, the last President wh= o ran as an outsider, Obama has reached out to the same old folks who domin= ate the Democratic Party and represent the status quo. His Transition Committee looks like a reunion of the Clinton Administration= . No new ideas of how to reform the system there. The Chairman, John Podest= a, was Clinton's Chief of Staff. He presided over the outrageous last minut= e pardons and his style is strictly inside-the-beltway and make-no-waves. Then there's Carol Browner, Clinton's competent former EPA Administrator wh= o became the consummate Washington insider. She's Madeline Albright's partn= er and recently married mega-lobbyist and former Congressman Tom Downey. Du= ring the uproar over Dubai taking over U.S. ports, Browner brought Downey t= o meet with Senator Chuck Schumer to plead Dubai's case. Downey was paid ha= lf a million dollars to push Dubai's position. He's also a lobbyist for Fan= nie Mae, paid half a million to try to cover their rears on the subprime mo= rtgage mess. Is his change? Federico Pena was Clinton's Secretary of Transportation and of Energy. The = President felt he was unduly soft on Air Florida after their crash and lost= confidence in him. Now he's back as a Transition Committee member. Bill Daley, Clinton's former Secretary of Commerce and the brother of the M= ayor of Chicago, is the epitome of the old Democratic establishment. Clinto= n appointed him to the Fannie Mae Board and his son worked as a lobbyist fo= r the agency. Aren't these the kind of folks that Obama ran against? Larry Summers, President of Harvard and former Clinton Secretary of the Tre= asury is not exactly an outsider either. He's also alienated more than a fe= w with his bizarre suggestion that women may be genetically inferior to men= in math and science. Susan Rice, Assistant Secretary of State under Clinton advised John Kerry a= nd Mike Dukakis. Does that tell you enough? Obama has named one of his big bundlers - Michael Froman, an executive at C= itigroup. Is this supposed to symbolize change?=20=20 =20 Obama's choice of a spokesperson for the transition is also surprising; her= s' is definitely not the face of reason and new politics. Stephanie Cutter = is the brash and combative former Clinton, Kerry, and Ted Kennedy mouthpiec= e. The liberal DailyKos.com once described Cutter as "a moron to the nth de= gree" when she tried unsuccessfully to force the New York Times' Adam Nagou= rney to treat her unsolicited email criticizing Howard Dean as "background"= without mentioning her name. Speaking of brash, Rahm Emmanuel, the new White House Chief of Staff, makes= Cutter look timid. Rahm is also a former Clinton White House staffer - and= a very obnoxious one. He spent his White House years leaking to the Washin= gton Post whenever he didn't like what the President was doing. Even Bill = Clinton stopped trusting him. Any hopes of Obama keeping his commitment to = reach across the aisle would go right out the window with Rahm's appointmen= t. Instead of extending a hand to the opposition, it would be like raising= just one finger. And Rahm's strident demeanor laced with the 'f' word in = every sentence will do little to elevate the bipartisan dialogue in Washing= ton. Christopher Edley, another member of the transition team, is Dean of the Be= rkeley Law School. He's a former member of the U.S. Civil Rights Commission= under Clinton and his wife, Maria Echaveste was Clinton's Deputy Chief of = Staff. Transition committee staffer Christine Varney was a Federal Trade Commissio= ner under Clinton and worked in the White House. Throughout the early debates, Obama criticized Hillary as part of the insid= e-the beltway establishment that needed to go. But now he's reaching out to= these exact same folks. Some change. -- kevin redding wrote: To Ian, if Scott says that I didn't rip Clinton when he was in,=20=20 please remind him of how I felt about him. To Scott, On Nov 7, 2008, at 11:30 AM, wrote: > At least not physically. Without any doubt, George W. Bush was the greatest failure ever to=20=20 have been elected to the office of President. He has been as terrible=20=20 on the middle class, working families and the poor. He started a war=20=20 that was 100% unnecessary and caused the murder of 1.25 million=20=20 innocent civilians and dislocation of millions more. He mistreated=20=20 the people of New Orleans and they are still in dire situations since=20=20 Katrina. He has wrecked the Constitution and used it for nothing more=20=20 than toilet paper. He has hired mercenaries in the form of Blackwater=20=20 and not only used them in foreign nations when we have a military to=20=20 do this, he used them in New Orleans to confiscate legal firearms of=20=20 individuals in contravention to the 2nd Amendment. He has created a=20=20 burgeoning deficit and mishandled two wars. His economic plans have=20=20 wrecked the banking, stock market and housing sectors of the economy.=20=20 He refused to stop illegal aliens from entering the nation. He passed=20=20 the worst bankruptcy laws this nation has ever had. He even passed=20=20 laws that took overtime money from working people while sending their=20=20 jobs overseas. Scott, you are going to regurgitate some useless lies and crap you=20=20 heard from Salem who is right wing to the max. You are going to try=20=20 to blame this on someone else besides the Republicans and Bush but I=20=20 am here to tell you that you and Don are WRONG if you do this. If you=20=20 are the president and the party in power, then change things for the=20=20 PEOPLE instead of sucking ass on the business and rich end of the=20=20 economy. If Bush and the Republicans were not so small minded and hateful for=20=20 those who do not have a lot of money they would not have created=20=20 this mess they did. We have a stock marked that dropped from 14,140=20=20 to about 8800 today because of his LACK OF LEADERSHIP. The jobs are=20=20 gone and people can't stay in their houses. No leadership from the=20=20 Republicans. Your party was creamed spitless in 2006 and 2008. Most of the nation=20=20 disagrees with you and Don. I would suggest to Republicans to rethink=20=20 the things they have done because they have been more than decimated.=20=20 The Republican party and President Bush deserve every scrap of scorn=20=20 and repudiation they get and then some. Personally, I believe that=20=20 Bush and Cheney belong in JAIL. If the Republicans don't wake up, in=20=20 two years they will be even more ineffective and closer to extinction. Believe what you want but if the GOP does not change to reflect what=20=20 the people want, then they will vanish. But back to Bush, he was the very worst president the United States=20=20 ever had to date. You remember and I know Ian does too how I ripped=20=20 Clinton constantly but I have to say, Bush has been the most=20=20 ineffective, most selfish, most uneducated, most ignorant and worst=20=20 all around politician I have ever seen in my 52 years of life. I can only thank him for one thing. It is George W. Bush and his=20=20 ridiculously awful treatment of the working class and poor that=20=20 caused the resurgence and prominence of the Democratic party. Without=20=20 Bush and Cheney, the Republicans would still be in power. Kevin ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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They didn't get any more help than the > folks across the state line. Because you are wrong and Haley Barbour Republican governor of MS was head of the GOP while Bush got elected and they got more money and got it faster than Louisiana. > And you think I'M paranoid? Where did this Blackwater > taking firearms in N.O. come from? You are just plain news IGNORANT. PERIOD. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncq_Nu3dRSI http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/national/nationalspecial/08cnd- storm.html http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1546304/posts http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/08/officials-made.html http://www.kathryncramer.com/kathryn_cramer/2005/09/blackwater_blac.html http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=009_1190698324 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2101996/posts Are you like Bush and don't read the papers or something. Its almost not worth my time to talk to you. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 07 17:23:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28268 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 01:23:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 01:23:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.222) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 01:23:04 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 01:23:04 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.248] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 01:23:04 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 01:23:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 648143.77382.bm@omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 19666 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 01:23:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.248 with plain) by smtp126.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 01:23:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3HuztRAVM1lEbOgLqRoqKr0Qh6OmAPiHEVLhytDZp4evJ7E7DoQ55W_ijLsM9_fQHqOx5reOYTTboVFFPZ10N.SkPACIk0ltSMEiU.Gfcx28coF2tHMWl8ab.3XyQAyFueQFyHZdrYaUYY1doxlFOzwti7ydZUjovssEuQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081107.161311.8069.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> References: <20081107.161311.8069.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5F2F79F3-CAF9-4CC4-94C9-1DA9985BE4D2@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:22:59 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Scott Todd and Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=_-mGICB44HQNQaNTAD_jzRXfNb3y9fjeR-EUQOTa_kVbpH9_9A X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 8, 2008, at 12:13 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > What's with Obama's choice of old-time Clinton cronies and recycled > Washington insiders to run the transition to his new politics of > change? Pretty simple. They wanted the best they could get. Keep whining Republicans. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 07 17:28:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34632 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 01:28:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 01:28:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n67.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.47) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 01:28:18 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n67.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 01:28:18 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 01:28:18 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.241] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 01:28:18 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 01:28:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 36298.91653.bm@omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 97003 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 01:28:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.248 with plain) by smtp127.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 01:28:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ybSDEWEVM1kO9zR8kOsPY29xuQ0FI2AMUpSicKqitfGmUdqBzDWfd8rBn0ASOuudDb8WRaopZ2Iz3wMlUfu0RGAO3npthEbuZmxpVpNa43yNtkuVVNmboq5WHGb44f0SIHWsIUHF69NBaHylyTvV7E9Zr7SeSX2NQfRA984P.ZFzEHYKegzsrYJjNg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <026AC80D-A226-49A0-9715-75859B0048C7@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:28:14 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Firearms Confiscation for Todd X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=sIsZj6TrtomKRyHhqE7YQIqcI9j2RU_t6LTzj2Mu3ED1evsYnA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit September 8, 2005 New Orleans Begins Confiscating Firearms as Water Recedes By ALEX BERENSON and TIMOTHY WILLIAMS NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 8 - Waters were receding across this flood-beaten city today as police officers began confiscating weapons, including legally registered firearms, from civilians in preparation for a mass forced evacuation of the residents still living here. No civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry pistols, shotguns or other firearms, said P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of police. "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons," he said. But that order apparently does not apply to hundreds of security guards hired by businesses and some wealthy individuals to protect property. The guards, employees of private security companies like Blackwater, openly carry M-16's and other assault rifles. Mr. Compass said that he was aware of the private guards, but that the police had no plans to make them give up their weapons. Nearly two weeks after the floods began, New Orleans has turned into an armed camp, patrolled by thousands of local, state, and federal law enforcement officers, as well as National Guard troops and active- duty soldiers. While armed looters roamed unchecked last week, the city is now calm. No arrests were made on Wednesday night or this morning, and the police received only 10 calls for service, a police spokesman said. The city's slow recovery is continuing on other fronts as well, local officials said at a news conference. Pumping stations are now operating across much of the city, and many taps and fire hydrants have water pressure. Tests have shown no evidence of cholera or other dangerous diseases in flooded areas, though health officials have said the waters contain unsafe levels of E. coli bacteria and lead. Efforts to recover corpses have also started. But there were still signs of confusion and uncertainty over government plans. FEMA's director, Michael D. Brown, had said his agency would begin issuing debit cards, worth at least $2,000 each, to allow hurricane victims to buy supplies for immediate needs. More than 319,000 people have already applied for federal disaster relief, and many evacuees began lining up at the Astrodome, in Houston, early today in hope of getting cards. "The concept is to get them some cash in hand," Mr. Brown had said, "which allows them, empowers them, to make their own decisions about what they need to have to restart their lives." But this afternoon, FEMA announced that it no longer planned to issue the cards. An agency spokesman, David G. Passey, said that he did not know why the program was scrapped but that now "we believe that our normal methods of delivery - checks and electronic funds transfer - will suffice." In Washington, the House an Senate overwhelmingly approved $51.8 billion for relief efforts, the second disbursement since the storm devastated the Gulf Coast on Aug. 29. The funds include $50 billion for FEMA, $1.4 billion for the Department of Defense and an additional $400 million for the Army Corps of Engineers. The request follows a $10.5 billion package that President Bush signed on Friday and that is intended to address the immediate needs of survivors. Hundreds of miles to the east, Ophelia, a tropical storm off the Florida coast, was upgraded to hurricane status this afternoon after its winds reached speeds of 75 miles per hour. Forecasters have predicted that Ophelia will turn east into the Atlantic Ocean during the next few days, although its path remains unclear. With pumps running and the weather here remaining hot and dry, water has receded across much of New Orleans. Formerly flooded streets are now passable, although covered with leaves, tree branches and mud. A spokesman for the Army Corps of Engineers, Dan Hitchings, said 37 of the city's 174 permanent pumps were working this afternoon, removing about 11,000 cubic feet of flood water per second. The city's 174 pumps have the capacity to remove about 81,000 cubic feet of water each second when they are all operational. While Mr. Hitchings would not try to quantify how much the water level in the city had dropped, he did say that "it's going down." The Army Corps of Engineers continues to try to plug two levee breaks, Mr. Hitchings said, on London Avenue, and at the end of the Harbor Navigation Canal. Many neighborhoods in the northern half of New Orleans remain under 10 feet of water, and Mr. Compass said today that the city's plans for a forced evacuation remained in effect because of the danger of disease and fires. Mr. Compass said he could not disclose when New Orleans residents might be forced to leave en masse, but other police officers and law enforcement officials said the city planned to start as early as tonight. The city's Police Department and federal law enforcement officers from agencies like the United States Marshals Service will lead the evacuation, Mr. Compass said. Officers will search houses in both dry and flooded neighborhoods, and no one will be allowed to stay, he said. Many of the residents still in the city said they did not understand why the city remained intent on forcing them out. "I know the risks," said Renee de Pontchieux, as she sat on a stool outside Kajun's Pub in the working-class Bywater neighborhood east of downtown. "We used to think we lived in America - now we're not so sure. Why should we allow this government to chase us out and allow people from outside to rebuild our homes? We want to rebuild our homes." But Ms. De Pontchieux said she was resigned to being evacuated if the police insisted. "It would be foolish" to fight, she said. This afternoon, President Bush announced a series of measures intended to make it easier for evacuees to receive state and federal assistance, like Medicaid and food stamps, to make the aid as "simple as possible to collect." "There will be many difficult days ahead, especially as we recover those who did not survive the storm," he said, adding that he was declaring Sept. 16, next Friday, a National Day of Prayer and Remembrance. Vice President Dick Cheney, accompanied by Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and the secretary of homeland security, Michael Chertoff, surveyed damaged neighborhoods in the Gulf Coast region today, and pledged that the federal government would help rebuild the devastated area. Mr. Cheney visited Gulfport, Miss., and New Orleans, where flood waters are growing increasingly fetid and thousands of people are still insisting on staying, despite the evacuation order. "The president asked me to come down to take a look at things, and to begin to focus on the longer term, in terms of making certain obviously that we're getting the search-and-rescue missions done and all those other immediate things," Mr. Cheney said after touring a neighborhood in Gulfport. "The progress we're making is significant." Mr. Cheney's visit follows a visit earlier this week by President Bush, his second since the storm hit, following much criticism last week that the administration and federal agencies had been slow in responding to the disaster. An estimated 5,000 to 10,000 people remain inside New Orleans more than a week after Hurricane Katrina hit, many in neighborhoods that are on high ground near the Mississippi River. But the number of dead still remained a looming and disturbing question. In the first indication of how many deaths Louisiana alone might expect, a spokesman for the State Department of Health and Hospitals, Robert Johannessen, said on Wednesday that the Federal Emergency Management Agency had ordered 25,000 body bags. The official death toll remains under 100. In Washington, House and Senate leaders announced a joint investigation into the government's response to the crisis. "Americans deserve answers," said a statement by the two top-ranking Republicans, Speaker J. Dennis Hastert and Senator Bill Frist, the majority leader. "We must do all we can to learn from this tragedy, improve the system and protect all of our citizens." Democratic leaders, however, said they would not participate, citing a preference for an independent inquiry. The government continued its efforts to help evacuees. At the Astrodome in Houston, where an estimated 15,000 New Orleans evacuees found shelter over the weekend, the number had dwindled to only about 3,000 on Wednesday as people were rapidly placed in apartments, volunteers' homes and hotels that had been promised reimbursement by FEMA. With the overall death toll highly uncertain, Mr. Brown, the FEMA director, said in Baton Rouge that the formal house-to-house search for bodies had begun at midmorning. He said the temporary mortuary set up in St. Gabriel, La., was prepared to receive 500 to 1,000 bodies a day, with refrigeration trucks on site to hold the corpses. "They will be processed as rapidly as possible," Mr. Brown said. As it worked to remove the water inundating the city, the Corps of Engineers said that one additional pumping station, No. 6, at the head of the 17th Street Canal, had started up, and that about 10 percent of the city's total pumping capacity was in operation. But the corps added that it was dealing with a new problem: how to prevent corpses from being sucked to the grates at the pump inlets. "We're expending every effort to try to ensure that we protect the integrity of remains as we get this water out of the city," said John S. Rickey, chief of public affairs for the corps. "We're taking this very personally. This is a very deep emotional aspect of our work down there." Officials emphasized that as testing of the flood waters continued, substances in addition to E. coli bacteria and lead were likely to be found at harmful levels, especially from water taken near industrial sites. "Human contact with the floodwater should be avoided as much as possible," the environmental agency's administrator, Stephen L. Johnson, said. A spokesman for the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said state and local officials had reported three deaths in Mississippi and one in Texas from exposure to Vibrio vulnificus, a choleralike bacterium found in salt water, which poses special risks for people with chronic liver problems. At a news conference this morning, officials in New Orleans cautioned people to decontaminate themselves as best as possible when entering homes after wading through the floodwater. Among the authorities, though, some confusion lingered about how a widespread evacuation by force would work, and how much support it would get at the federal and state level. Mayor C. Ray Nagin told the police and the military on Tuesday to remove all residents for their own safety, and on Wednesday, the police superintendent, Mr. Compass, said state laws give the mayor the authority to declare martial law and order the evacuations. "There's a martial law declaration in place that gives us legal authority for mandatory evacuations," Mr. Compass said. "We'll use the minimum amount of force necessary." But because the New Orleans Police Department has only about 1,000 working officers, the city is largely in the hands of National Guard troops and active-duty soldiers. State officials said Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco could tell the Guard to carry out the forced removals, but they stopped short of a commitment to do so. In Washington, Lt. Gen. Joseph R. Inge, deputy commander of the United States Northern Command, said regular troops "would not be used" in any forced evacuation. The state disaster law does not supersede either the state or federal Constitutions, said Kenneth M. Murchison, a law professor at Louisiana State University. But even so, Mr. Nagin's decision could be a smart strategy that does not violate fundamental rights, Professor Murchison said. When police officers came to Billie Moore's 3,000 square foot Victorian to warn her of the health risks of remaining in the city, she pushed her identification tag from the hospital where she works as a nurse through slats in the door. "I guess you know the health risks then," the officer said as he walked away. Ms. Moore and her husband, Richard Robinson, who do not drive and use bicycles for the 5-mile ride to their jobs at the still-functioning Ochsner Hospital in suburban Jefferson Parish, have no plans to leave. Their circa-1895 home, on the city's southwest flank, suffered virtually no damage in the hurricane or its aftermath. They have been lighting an old gas stove with a match to cook pasta and rice, dumping cans of peas on top for flavor. "We try to be normal and sit down and eat," Ms. Moore, 52, explained as she showed off the expansive, well-kept home where they have lived for 10 years. "I think that's how we'll stay healthy is if I keep the house clean." Ms. Moore said she had not worked since the hurricane because there are few babies left at the hospital, but that she remains on standby; her husband has been on duty the past five days. "I don't want to go, I don't want to lose my job," she said. "Who's going to take care of the patients if all the nurses go away?" Alex Berenson reported from New Orleans for this article, and Timothy Williams from New York. Reporting was contributed by John Broder from New Orleans, Sewell Chan from Baton Rouge, La; Christine Hauser from New York, and Matthew L. Wald from Vicksburg, Miss. 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(big_h00pla@75.120.198.248 with plain) by smtp125.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 01:30:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pbO6zfwVM1mwvmqdkp7qm92mmNiqYkjOMKE2hAXGv4wxEtxZxSRIdSX3ep.OgFWQpjBFNiqe3Xc5lh3k_oOCUAZfdU6a8Hf1KRtZ_WGN7tC5EKbrEjYdzzGDAvNMG272ntwwFCohk3WCjDXpWTSelaTqMy0U6LgG9pb4SrFCWkbV_XTvfZF4iT.pVQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <13055C18-26D1-4C4E-9404-05E62B8D1357@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:30:03 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: More Firearms Confiscation for Scott X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Gaj3eUQ49OU59SlKjxwfNq24yisTWcm_uoIB8tXFP-TxHzbMmg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Defenseless on the Bayou - New Orleans gun confiscation was foolish=20=20 and illegal. Reason ^ | December 2005 | Dave Kopel Posted on December 23, 2005 6:38:26 PM CST by neverdem Defenseless on the Bayou New Orleans gun confiscation was foolish and illegal. Dave Kopel During the weeks after Hurricane Katrina, the government of New=20=20 Orleans devolved from its traditional status as an elective=20=20 kleptocracy into something far more dangerous: an =93anarcho-tyranny=94 = =20 that refused to protect the public from criminals while preventing=20=20 people from protecting themselves. On the orders of New Orleans Mayor=20=20 Ray Nagin, the New Orleans Police Department, the National Guard, the=20=20 Oklahoma National Guard, and the U.S. Marshals Service began breaking=20=20 into homes at gunpoint, confiscating lawfully owned firearms, and=20=20 evicting the residents. =93No one is allowed to be armed,=94 said P.=20=20 Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of police. =93We=92re going to take = =20 all the guns.=94 Those thousands of New Orleanians huddled in the Superdome and the=20=20 New Orleans Convention Center got a taste of anarcho-tyranny.=20=20 Everyone entering those buildings was searched for firearms. So for a=20=20 few days, they lived in a small world without guns. As in other such=20=20 worlds, the weaker soon became the prey of the stronger. In the rest of the city, some police officers abandoned their posts,=20=20 while others joined the looting spree. For several days, the ones who=20=20 stayed on the job did not act to stop the looting that was going on=20=20 right in front of them. When homes or businesses were saved, the=20=20 saviors were the many good citizens of New Orleans who defended them=20=20 with their own firearms. These people were operating within their legal rights. The law=20=20 authorizes citizen=92s arrests for any felony, and in the 1964 case=20=20 McKellar v. Mason a Louisiana court held that shooting a property=20=20 thief in the spine was a legitimate citizen=92s arrest. The aftermath of the hurricane featured prominent stories of citizens=20=20 defending lives and property. Most of New Orleans lies on the north=20=20 side of the Mississippi River, while the neighborhood of Algiers is=20=20 on the south. The Times-Picayune detailed how dozens of neighbors in=20=20 one part of Algiers had formed a militia. After a carjacking and an=20=20 attack on a home by looters, the neighborhood recognized the need for=20=20 a common defense; residents shared firearms, took turns on patrol,=20=20 and guarded the elderly. Although the initial looting had resulted in=20=20 a gun battle, once the patrols began the militia never had to fire a=20=20 shot. Likewise, the Garden District of New Orleans, one of the city=92s = =20 top tourist attractions, was protected by armed residents. The good gun-owning citizens of New Orleans and the surrounding areas=20=20 should have been thanked for helping to save some of their city after=20=20 Mayor Nagin, incoherent and weeping, had fled. Yet instead these=20=20 citizens were victimized by a new round of home invasions and=20=20 looting, these government-organized, for the purpose of firearms=20=20 confiscation. The mayor and Gov. Kathleen Blanco do have the legal authority to=20=20 mandate evacuation, but failure to comply is a misdemeanor; so the=20=20 authority to use force to compel evacuation goes no further than the=20=20 power to effect a misdemeanor arrest. The pre-emptive confiscation of=20=20 every private firearm in the city far exceeded any reasonable attempt=20=20 to carry out misdemeanor arrests for persons who disobey orders to=20=20 leave. Louisiana statutory law does allow some restrictions on firearms=20=20 during extraordinary conditions. One statute says that after the=20=20 governor proclaims a state of emergency (as Blanco did), =93the chief=20=20 law enforcement officer of the political subdivision affected by the=20=20 proclamation may=85promulgate orders=85regulating and controlling the=20=20 possession, storage, display, sale, transport and use of firearms,=20=20 other dangerous weapons and ammunition.=94 But the statute does not,=20=20 and could not, supersede the Louisiana Constitution, which declares=20=20 that =93the right of each citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be=20=20 abridged, but this provision shall not prevent the passage of laws to=20=20 prohibit the carrying of weapons concealed on the person.=94 The power of =93regulating and controlling=94 is not the same as the=20=20 power of =93prohibiting and controlling.=94 The emergency statute=20=20 actually draws this distinction in its language, which refers to=20=20 =93prohibiting=94 price gouging, sale of alcohol, and curfew violations = =20 but only to =93regulating and controlling=94 firearms. Accordingly, the = =20 police superintendent=92s order =93prohibiting=94 firearms possession was = =20 beyond his lawful authority. It was an illegal order. A week after the confiscations began, the National Rifle Association=20=20 (NRA) and the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) filed a joint lawsuit=20=20 in federal court. The parties were represented by Stephen Halbrook,=20=20 one of the nation=92s leading Second Amendment attorneys. (Documents=20=20 from the suit can be found at stephenhalbrook.com.) Attorneys for Orleans Parish (New Orleans) and St. Tammany Parish=20=20 (which also confiscated guns) capitulated, under the judge=92s threat=20=20 that he would issue a preliminary injunction against them. The=20=20 parishes and the plaintiffs signed a consent decree in which the=20=20 parishes asserted (implausibly) that there was never an official=20=20 government policy of confiscating guns, and also admitted that they=20=20 had no authorization to confiscate guns pursuant to Louisiana=92s=20=20 emergency powers statute. The parties agreed to accept that the=20=20 court=92s injunction forbids them from confiscating guns, and orders=20=20 them to return all guns which have been confiscated. There will doubtless be many lawsuits that will seek to discover=20=20 precisely which uniformed looters were responsible for the theft of=20=20 which guns. (Like the other looters, the uniformed thieves did not=20=20 give their victims receipts. ) And all over the country next year,=20=20 there will be bills introduced in state legislatures to make sure=20=20 that emergency powers cannot be abused to confiscate guns when good=20=20 people need them most. After Katrina struck, we saw an awful truth in New Orleans: There is=20=20 no shortage of police officers and National Guardsmen who will=20=20 illegally threaten peaceful citizens at gunpoint and confiscate their=20=20 firearms. We also saw some noble truths: that citizens with firearms=20=20 will defend law and order even when the government fails. And that=20=20 our federal courts, as well as civil rights organizations such as NRA=20=20 and SAF, continue to play an important role in defending=20=20 constitutional rights against the depredations of lawless =93law=20=20 enforcement=94 officers. Dave Kopel (david@i2i.org) is research director of the Independence=20=20 Institute. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 07 17:32:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55483 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 01:32:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 01:32:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 01:32:37 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.125] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081107193219003038700010.0) with SMTP id <20081107193219003038700010> for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:32:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006501c94142$150584e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20081106.090141.12547.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <04EDE2A7-566C-4A20-9593-AA32B92DF658@yahoo.com> <005301c940fe$cd38eaa0$d503fea9@stodd> <701D440F-35B6-47C3-ACBA-468BD44EBDAC@yahoo.com> <004401c94136$2ec56e60$d503fea9@stodd> <612B47BD-61B9-48AD-B355-1BE50BA9E0FF@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:32:19 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Scott Todd and Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=-KvGGH1L6fOdVJXXFyza1_SLJGWQE9v4Lyt0rek6G0JCmk65npQm X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From the last link you cited, and it was a Freeper comment, not in the news article- Neighborhoods that hired their own private security force were left alone by the cops because the cops were totally outgunned. One neighborhood hired an Israeli security force and another hired a Blackwater security force. At the time the homeowners thought they were protecting their property from gutterpunk looters, but it turns out they also kept out the cops who were terrorizing the city and invading homes. Blackwater was PROTECTING the citizens, not confiscating their guns. You got it totally ass backwards and you call ME ignorant??? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 7:17 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Scott Todd and Ian Davidson Todd, You are among the most biased and news ignorant people I have ever run across... > How come the folks of neighboring Mississippi have > largely rebuilt, hmmmmm??? They didn't get any more help than the > folks across the state line. Because you are wrong and Haley Barbour Republican governor of MS was head of the GOP while Bush got elected and they got more money and got it faster than Louisiana. > And you think I'M paranoid? Where did this Blackwater > taking firearms in N.O. come from? You are just plain news IGNORANT. PERIOD. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncq_Nu3dRSI http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/national/nationalspecial/08cnd- storm.html http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1546304/posts http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/08/officials-made.html http://www.kathryncramer.com/kathryn_cramer/2005/09/blackwater_blac.html http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=009_1190698324 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2101996/posts Are you like Bush and don't read the papers or something. Its almost not worth my time to talk to you. Kevin --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 07 17:33:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54194 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 01:33:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 01:33:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.144) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 01:33:39 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 01:33:39 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.250] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 01:33:39 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 01:33:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 648607.2682.bm@omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 53507 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 01:33:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.248 with plain) by smtp116.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 01:33:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mP5SO2gVM1mRk3PiGjNrgKyzHmpi3j_GMW8Yf1fuk7MYr_p_eI7E66eBOYOU5yyq4z1F10npZO6SgtymXw3zzkqKAZQed_8p4BkuJ7fGPi5EtfkaRz3sKcuxMWs_yfiqgCnGUi5rLnuSfcVBpSgFtCro3GkjMC5Kd3LzAVCDp9.hwaH0us.L2N80Yg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:33:37 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: NRA: NOLA Gun Confiscation for Scott X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=XnomFpMeLQopwyUpdMZQs3Xik-N6EUAQQM0Y8WenXjoANwOUHA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NRA - The Untold Story of Gun Confiscation After Hurricane Katrina The following description provided by the NRA aswell as the video itself... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncq_Nu3dRSI The crimes committed against law-abiding gun owners are beyond comprehension. The arrogance of anti-gun politicians and government officials and their hate of freedom will churn your stomach. The law is the law, the Constitution is the Constitution. If ONE local mayor or police chief can decide what the Second Amendment means, it opens the door to tyrannywhere ANY mayor or police chief can say what the Second Amendment means. You've seen this brand of abuse of freedom in the history booksin the pages about days of gun confiscations leading to the terror of Stalin, Mao and Hitler. But you'd never in a million years think it could happen in America. Well, it can and it did. And it will happen again unless we take action today. New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, Police Superintendent P. Eddie Compass unleashed a wave of confiscations with these chilling words: "No one will be able to be armed. We will take all weapons. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns." Thousands of firearms were then confiscated from law-abiding gun owners. The police gave no paperwork or receipts for those guns. They just stormed in and seized them. With your help we're going to make the first time in New Orleans the LAST time in America. Thank you! Now, one year later, these crimes against gun owners have snowballed into a far greater threat to our freedoms. Even though NRA secured a court order demanding their immediate and unconditional return, almost every single confiscated firearm remains locked in government trailers. With the stroke of a pen, Mayor Nagin and Police Superintendent Compass are getting away with "murder"a savaging of the second, fourth and fourteenth amendments of our Constitution. And they have put America on notice that they're going to keep seizing lawfully owned guns under any pretense. New Orleans gun owners are showing up at these trailers, with serial numbers of their firearms, expecting Mayor Nagin and his band of anti- gunners to respect the Federal courts. They are met by stony-eyed bureaucrats who say serial numbers aren't enoughand that gun owners now need PROOF OF PURCHASE of these firearms. How many of those gun owners do you think had original receipts for those firearms? And even if they did, how many do you think could find those receipts in the wreckage of a hurricane? Many of these firearms were passed down from father to son, generation to generation. Some are precious heirlooms. Some are collector's pieces won in our wars. And they were all lawfully owned and they must be returned to their owners. With your help we're going to make the first time in New Orleans the LAST time in America. Thank you! 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(big_h00pla@75.120.198.248 with plain) by smtp128.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 01:35:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CnSNizAVM1myfjxb6wMF8J_NBE7MGCiRuJ.zYa4CHz0omFhuha6VmG4GKfy7SkZNtTEisvNLRAHNl4xu1dU9lMqBFZ1snIDjmoB9sN2CpxR5mVzy6.7v9FuusQAIzWdq9Nk_mvRZYm2WGVFF5DNpbly6U2_ayaXxWd7Cw0_hyUqs4XJJIbkjDv5YnQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <6BF4CBA0-0CDC-495C-9236-2E948A6BBBAB@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:34:59 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: 3 years after confiscation some get guns back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=tC_1XIiF0cClUtIJ03HawOsykSTcJpNqFJ9RnVXVUFcaKZ86tg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This happened during a wonderful Republican administration. REPUBLICANS WILL TAKE YOUR GUNS. N.O. agrees to return weapons - Confiscation after Katrina drew protest nola.com ^ | October 09, 2008 | Gwen Filosa Posted on October 9, 2008 10:25:11 PM CDT by neverdem Agreeing to settle a lawsuit filed by the National Rifle Association, the city of New Orleans promised this week to return hundreds of firearms seized by police from law-abiding citizens during the chaotic days that followed Hurricane Katrina in 2005. Gun-rights groups took the city to task after National Guard soldiers and police officers confiscated weapons without a warrant or probable cause during the storm's aftermath. U.S. District Court Judge Carl Barbier hasn't signed the agreement yet, and no monetary award is in the settlement. The city agreed to give back the guns to their rightful owners via its Web site. Within one month, the city's Web site will include a form that citizens may fill out as the first step to retrieving their weapons. Proof of ownership isn't required, but an owner must sign an affidavit claiming ownership and pass a background check. The city may dispose of guns that sit unclaimed for two years. Gun-rights advocates cheered the settlement, calling it long-overdue. "This agreement sends a message across the nation that no city can take away our Second Amendment right to protect our families," said U.S. Rep. Steve Scalise. The lawsuit, filed Sept. 22, 2005, by the NRA and the Second Amendment Foundation, accused the city of allowing officers to strip people of their weapons. The police said that cops took only stolen guns, or those found in empty homes. Police spokesman Bob Young said the department has stored 552 guns that were confiscated from Aug. 29, 2005, through Dec. 31, 2005. The gun lobbying groups said the city violated gun owners' constitutional right to bear arms and left them to fend for themselves after Katrina "at the mercy of roving gangs, home invaders, and other criminals." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 07 17:36:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94287 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 01:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 01:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.40) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 01:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n13.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 01:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.254] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 01:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 01:36:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 128496.84220.bm@omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 50284 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 01:36:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.248 with plain) by smtp128.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SNfSrncVM1lP9ehBVqzcW5tFLwdrBVi0ewZRH6MLKAc775IVzGIDdaAOm7XEdhQjh0zMXCiD3TWd025GoBrWV9c5GTvU36Pa5LbNXFdVllkt.5A7HTe3dGss10aLebk9uiStjek17cSFGo60NTgX6PpHZ4ERClDcqr5NGz7yvgvFH56.ZhM3sj0ycQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <006501c94142$150584e0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <20081106.090141.12547.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <04EDE2A7-566C-4A20-9593-AA32B92DF658@yahoo.com> <005301c940fe$cd38eaa0$d503fea9@stodd> <701D440F-35B6-47C3-ACBA-468BD44EBDAC@yahoo.com> <004401c94136$2ec56e60$d503fea9@stodd> <612B47BD-61B9-48AD-B355-1BE50BA9E0FF@yahoo.com> <006501c94142$150584e0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <97C8FFB0-995A-441F-99B8-31B46A867031@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:36:04 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Scott Todd and Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=9couGDmYAOHr63RNTQWpsdRG0vBUen2De03g0tzEDDkO0NIIvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla You're news ignorant. Kevin On Nov 7, 2008, at 7:32 PM, wrote: > Blackwater was PROTECTING the citizens, not confiscating their > guns. You got it totally ass backwards and you call ME ignorant??? From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 07 18:03:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19561 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 02:03:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 02:03:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 02:03:12 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.125] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081107200241000469000010.0) with SMTP id <20081107200241000469000010> for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:02:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008f01c94146$53032140$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <6BF4CBA0-0CDC-495C-9236-2E948A6BBBAB@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:02:41 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3 years after confiscation some get guns back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=R1veBPgJJlao8i73eBdvambxuTVTuUNuDZAy6WnFVWeGFNPpgjnh X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was THE CITY that violated citizens' gun rights. NOLA is run by Democrats, and you're telling me the REPUBLICANS used Blackwater to confiscate the guns??? In the words of the robot from Lost In Space- "That does not compute!" NONE of these articles proved the 'Pubs did it. And I'm not worth YOUR time? Perhaps I'm too expensive. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com The gun lobbying groups said the city violated gun owners' constitutional right to bear arms and left them to fend for themselves after Katrina "at the mercy of roving gangs, home invaders, and other criminals." --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 07 18:12:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59039 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 02:12:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 02:12:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.126.232) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 02:12:48 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 02:12:48 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.251] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 02:12:48 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 02:12:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 228532.82972.bm@omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 62810 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 02:12:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.248 with plain) by smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 02:12:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nlD9tx0VM1kQvhzQL_.K9LuNZ7rVia2ETAcezaNZ6Ud1rBHQbsjyDPc3odJxe4Txf4gZzWmS2FqLGDbN_mGnrK8YGyEkdFwFDCojwIRMu01ykofL8MaOUQrl0HKlPDNOfYw0Z.xx6P3B6OjejkEak_VWPGdLu4vUzHbBgg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <008f01c94146$53032140$d503fea9@stodd> References: <6BF4CBA0-0CDC-495C-9236-2E948A6BBBAB@yahoo.com> <008f01c94146$53032140$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:12:45 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.126.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3 years after confiscation some get guns back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=W-o4cIpwMeUsgBs3M_p2TJ18SRwfg3EdldUJMWPs9FTbzi8Xyw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > It was THE CITY that violated citizens' gun rights. NOLA is run by > Democrats, and you're telling me the REPUBLICANS used Blackwater to > confiscate the guns??? In the words of the robot from Lost In > Space- "That does not compute!" NONE of these articles proved the > 'Pubs did it. And I'm not worth YOUR time? Perhaps I'm too expensive If the president told the National Guard and Army, Navy and Coast Guard who were heavily involved in this that they would not confiscate guns out of peoples houses it would not happen and Nagin and Blanco and Blackwater would not have gone up against them. Never forget, Republikans suck. Kevin From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 07 18:40:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43716 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 02:40:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 02:40:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 02:40:43 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.125] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081107204018002041000010.0) with SMTP id <20081107204018002041000010> for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:40:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00e901c9414b$946b9180$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <6BF4CBA0-0CDC-495C-9236-2E948A6BBBAB@yahoo.com> <008f01c94146$53032140$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:40:18 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3 years after confiscation some get guns back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=tnvsMTfurDPfK8pXunCGvjtr2vp2eM9u6xdd9h_8rzqIvGijIdcs X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Louisiana National Guard can be sent in by the governor. You've got 100% proof that it was Bush, not Gov. Blanco, who sent them in? Your assertion that Blackwater was involved in the confiscation has already been shot full of more holes than Snoopy's doghouse in his fight with the Red Baron. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 8:13 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3 years after confiscation some get guns back > It was THE CITY that violated citizens' gun rights. NOLA is run by > Democrats, and you're telling me the REPUBLICANS used Blackwater to > confiscate the guns??? In the words of the robot from Lost In > Space- "That does not compute!" NONE of these articles proved the > 'Pubs did it. And I'm not worth YOUR time? Perhaps I'm too expensive If the president told the National Guard and Army, Navy and Coast Guard who were heavily involved in this that they would not confiscate guns out of peoples houses it would not happen and Nagin and Blanco and Blackwater would not have gone up against them. Never forget, Republikans suck. Kevin --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sat Nov 08 09:25:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82344 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 17:25:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 17:25:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 17:25:06 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail17.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.157]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABETMU5RARKQ94J for (sender ); Sat, 8 Nov 2008 09:25:03 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD4rJi5BmrXqpWMuBb0C8lrw= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail17.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NZG87G8B; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 09:24:23 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.20] by webmail17.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:23:49 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:23:49 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081108.092349.6458.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 3:4:3000732342 X-MAIL-INFO:3cf9419df5d8ddf5dcfc19c1c9d8a50938b569892dc9c515 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.157|webmail17.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Scott Todd and Ian Davidson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=8Ibyk0nDRC39nRiTwh5tbLiFpsTRAqnOoZg632-V3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Yo, where be the Brothers? -- kevin redding wrote: On Nov 8, 2008, at 12:13 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > What's with Obama's choice of old-time Clinton cronies and recycled=20=20 > Washington insiders to run the transition to his new politics of=20=20 > change? Pretty simple. They wanted the best they could get. Keep whining Republicans. Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Sat Nov 08 09:35:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2646 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 17:35:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 17:35:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 17:35:15 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail17.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.157]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABETMVQUAAVCY9A for (sender ); Sat, 8 Nov 2008 09:35:14 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD6WT3eg8Jh7+qgacn5q9Q00= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail17.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NZG9SZGE; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 09:35:02 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.20] by webmail17.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:34:51 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:34:51 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081108.093451.6458.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:3:855312848 X-MAIL-INFO:1b708de159007070b070a9b1740d090d14a9b9a544e4385da10d84a50d109435e12084156195e570f0ed208df1 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.157|webmail17.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3 years after confiscation some get guns back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=PbCC5SRmGxHNAYRntd0tyWa-7GCblVsU9kE7unkMow X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn You just aren't too bright: The New Orleans city and state administrations regarding Karina were BOTH r= un by Democrats. -- kevin redding wrote: This happened during a wonderful Republican administration.=20=20 REPUBLICANS WILL TAKE YOUR GUNS. N.O. agrees to return weapons - Confiscation after Katrina drew protest nola.com ^ | October 09, 2008 | Gwen Filosa Posted on October 9, 2008 10:25:11 PM CDT by neverdem From w6yn@juno.com Sat Nov 08 09:59:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48307 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 17:59:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 17:59:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 17:59:36 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail17.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.157]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABETMW4NA68R9MJ for (sender ); Sat, 8 Nov 2008 09:58:36 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD5Z8L5XPmBdNJZuvdbpcFRo= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail17.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NZHA45AM; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 09:58:03 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.20] by webmail17.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:57:35 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:57:35 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081108.095735.6458.2@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 23:11:3404326609 X-MAIL-INFO:460475b175b10c690c40000c81002084650180c029c0a971e480e5748dadbde9c1c069040d6109c0618140714004006111a9354d312d40ed35249184c441c4419db99de4859d6585ad353da4f9d1ddd10544b5f9d4d529a19434e5d1b984647d15d17d65e444e484857d1905a0c9d9304d354df53120f531b4353179c9a0f00169398160bd612d70e90d0ca12d816111a5ed0ced458db5e0a00c818de179f579ed3d8db5b0f909fd31b5793d99d1156d79a1d1d450f434c56dc5e5a584c410c19599d555e4c984c9b9195510ad29510085c0ad801010e4bd15bd8080a40c80e57504d92161810c81b0f0b125 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.157|webmail17.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3 years after confiscation some get guns back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=T7yBI183pRzKQdPWwlAEJP7hfxl7Xpu8UMLrUc3UZg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn A little history lesson: Giving Credit Mr. Obama's victory on November 4 has been attributed not only to his own p= ersonality and message of "change" and "hope," but also to a highly efficie= nt ground operation, an uncritical - indeed fawning - leftwing media, and t= he ability to raise a staggering $650 million (much of it from foreign sour= ces, the names of whom have still not been reported). Also unreported, but = a crucial part of his success, has been the heroic work done - historically= - by Republicans. It was a Republican, Abraham Lincoln, who sacrificed everything - including= his life - to fight a Civil War that ended slavery. As documented by Diane Alden for Newsmax.com: * During the Civil War, Republicans planned the most significant amendm= ents ever to our Constitution and enacted - despite fierce opposition from = the Democrats - the 13th Amendment to ban slavery, the 14th Amendment to pr= otect all Americans regardless of the color of their skin, and the 15th Ame= ndment to extend voting rights to African-Americans. * "Every man that wanted the privilege of whipping another man to make = him work for nothing, and pay him with lashes on his naked back, was a Demo= crat.Every man that raised bloodhounds to pursue human beings was a Democra= t.Every man that cursed Abraham Lincoln because he issued the Emancipation = Proclamation was a Democrat,"wrote Robert Ingersoll in 1876. * For its first 80 years, the Republican Party was the only one to prov= ide a home for African-Americans.Until well into the 20th century, every Af= rican-American member of Congress was a Republican. The same was true for n= early all state legislators and other elected officials. * In 1888, Republican Senator Aaron Sargent introduced the "Susan B. An= thony" Amendment to the Constitution, according women of all races the righ= t to vote.Strong Democrat opposition to what would become the 19th Amendmen= t delayed ratification until 1920. But that's ancient history, you say. Okay, how about the 20th century? * In the 26 major civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrat= s opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of their votes, while= the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of the vot= es. See here and here. * When President John F. Kennedy was a senator from Massachusetts, he c= ould have voted for the 1957 Civil Rights Act pushed by Senate Majority Lea= der Lyndon Johnson, but he didn't. This Act only passed with the help of Re= publicans. After JFK was elected president, he failed to suggest any new ci= vil rights proposals in 1961 or 1962. * In 1963, Kennedy decided to act on the 1964 Civil Rights Act, but fac= ed a filibuster by southern Democrats. Republicans favored the bill, which = would have failed without their votes. * Hubert Humphrey, a member of Congress when Democrats held both houses= of Congress, admitted that, "without the leadership and help of Republican= s," legislative efforts "would have been watered down or failed because of = obstinate Democrats - i.e., the Dixiecrats." * The fact that Democrats are quick to take credit for the Civil Rights= Act and for the civil rights movement itself is both phony and a self-abso= rbed vanity," Alden says. * The Republican Leader in the Senate, Everett Dirksen (R-IL), wrote th= e 1960 Civil Rights Act, and was the person most responsible for defeating = the Democrat filibuster against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.The 1964 Civil Ri= ghts Act passed the House of Representatives with 80% Republican support bu= t only 61% of Democrats. * In the Senate, 82% of Republicans supported the bill compared to 69% = of Democrats. * Similarly, the 1965 Voting Rights Act was supported in Congress by a = higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats.Democrats vigorously oppose= d Republican efforts to protect the civil rights of African-Americans, from= Reconstruction until well into the 20th century. In much of the country, r= acist Democrats virtually destroyed the Republican Party, which did not bec= ome a force in those areas until President Reagan's message of freedom and = equality prevailed in the 1980s.Today, the Republican Party continues its h= istorical commitment to civil rights at home and around the world. * In 2004, [America celebrated] the 150th anniversary of the GOP as wel= l as the 50th anniversaryof Brown v. Board of Education - a watershed of th= e modern-day civil rights movement.In May 1954, former Republican Governor = and GOP vice presidential candidate Earl Warren, appointed Chief Justice by= Republican President Eisenhower, wrote this landmark decision declaring th= at "separate but equal" is inherently unconstitutional.To help enforce this= principle, the Eisenhower administration drafted the 1957 Civil Rights Act= and guided it to passage over a Democrat filibuster. The Four S's In Why Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican, Frances Rice, Chairman of = the National Black Republican Association, tells us that, "in that era, alm= ost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? From its founding in 1854 as= the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed fr= eedom and civil rights for blacks. And as one pundit so succinctly stated, = the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S's: Sla= very, Secession, Segregation and now Socialism." Rice continues: * It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed = the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. * The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. * The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law= beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860's, and continuing with th= e civil rights laws of the 1950's and 1960's. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who pushed to pass the = Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools= . * Much is made of Democrat President Harry Truman's issuing an Executiv= e Order in 1948 to desegregate the military. Not mentioned is the fact that= it was President Eisenhower who actually took action to effectively end se= gregation in the military. President Kennedy was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. = King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph who was a black Republican. * President Kennedy, through his brother Attorney General Robert Kenned= y, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of bein= g a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King. * In 1968, after riots broke out in Tennessee where a teenager was kill= ed, Democrat Senator Robert Byrd, a former member of the Ku Klux Klan, call= ed Dr. King a "trouble-maker" who starts trouble, but runs like a coward af= ter trouble is ignited. A few weeks later, Dr. King returned to Memphis and= was assassinated on April 4, 1968. * Although affirmative action now has been turned by the Democrats into= an unfair quota system, affirmative action was begun by Nixon to counter t= he harm caused to blacks when Democrat President Woodrow Wilson in 1912 kic= ked all of the blacks out of federal government jobs. It was Republicans who founded the historically Black Colleges and Un= iversities. * Critics of Republican Senator Barry Goldwater who ran for president a= gainst Democrat President Lyndon Johnson in 1964, ignore the fact that Gold= water wanted to force the Democrats in the South to stop passing discrimina= tory laws and thus end the need to continuously enact federal civil rights = legislation. President Johnson, in his 4,500-word State of the Union Address deliv= ered on January 4, 1965, mentioned scores of topics for federal action, but= only thirty five words were devoted to civil rights. He did not mention on= e word about voting rights.Then in 1967, showing his anger with Dr. King's = protest against the Viet Nam War, President Johnson referred to Dr. King as= "that Nigger preacher." * Contrary to the false assertions by Democrats, the racist "Dixiecrats= " did not all migrate to the Republican Party. "Dixiecrats" declared that t= hey would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than vote for a Republican because= the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks. Today, some of tho= se "Dixiecrats" continue their political careers as Democrats, including De= mocrat Senator Robert Byrd who is well known for having been a "Kleagle" in= the Ku Klux Klan. * Republican Senator Strom Thurmond defended blacks against lynching an= d the discriminatory poll taxes imposed on blacks by Democrats. If Senator = Byrd and Senator Thurmond were alive during the Civil War, and Byrd had his= way, Thurmond would have been lynched. "Today," Rice says, "Democrats, in pursuit of their socialist agenda, are f= ighting to keep blacks poor, angry and voting for Democrats." In 2004, they= blocked passage of a bill to renew the 1996 welfare reform law that was pu= shed by Republicans and vetoed twice by President Bill Clinton before he fi= nally signed it. They are opposed to school-choice opportunity scholarships= that would help black children get out of failing schools, and they blocke= d Social Security reform, even though blacks on average lose $10,000 in the= current system because of a shorter life expectancy than whites (72.2 year= s for blacks vs. 77.5 years for whites). =20 "Democrats have been running our inner-cities for the past 30-40 years," Ri= ce adds, "and blacks are still complaining about the same problems. Over $7= trillion dollars has been spent on poverty programs...with little, if any,= impact on poverty." These are facts - you know those pesky little things that liberals abhor. B= ut in spite of the Democrats' historical racism, their abominable record in= serving the needs of the black community, and their obvious inability to h= andle our economy, there's a new Democrat in town, once again promising the= moon.=20 -- kevin redding wrote: > It was THE CITY that violated citizens' gun rights. NOLA is run by=20=20 > Democrats, and you're telling me the REPUBLICANS used Blackwater to=20=20 > confiscate the guns??? In the words of the robot from Lost In=20=20 > Space- "That does not compute!" NONE of these articles proved the=20=20 > 'Pubs did it. And I'm not worth YOUR time? Perhaps I'm too expensive If the president told the National Guard and Army, Navy and Coast=20=20 Guard who were heavily involved in this that they would not=20=20 confiscate guns out of peoples houses it would not happen and Nagin=20=20 and Blanco and Blackwater would not have gone up against them. Never forget, Republikans suck. 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Groups Links From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Nov 08 10:13:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65212 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 18:13:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 18:13:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.221) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 18:13:22 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 18:13:22 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.69] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 18:13:22 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 18:13:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 233845.36625.bm@omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 53868 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 18:13:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.248 with plain) by smtp114.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 18:13:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: b5r90VUVM1komTpOWQavBTzM7oJYZAgavWPvesEnHghic32GsB.jhDvcRznLfF83PfOLSOdX0QSRleocYfDzwWJNArmOLFo31gldITZxHOLxytEEXNgeNja2HBp9zIWJ3Q_A9A.mTAEOqQ59F1KSjd6id0fRUj7NxcddJQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081108.093451.6458.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> References: <20081108.093451.6458.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3A3D65C7-9EA1-4EBA-AE31-AA0D4A7E3DB9@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:13:20 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3 years after confiscation some get guns back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=ADjha9z6JdjINInMvE9Y4HMUgtKYtR-ogBqg1jk4x7tLf49XWA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 8, 2008, at 5:34 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > The New Orleans city and state administrations regarding Karina > were BOTH run by Democrats. What does that have to do with the Republican administration letting the US Army, US Coast Guard, LA National Guard, and Blackwater along with the NOLA police confiscate guns in NOLA? With just one word, Bush could have put a stop to it. Note he said nothing. The REPUBLICANS WILL TAKE YOUR GUNS. They have already let it happen in NOLA. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Nov 08 10:13:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32968 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 18:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 18:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.86.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 18:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.225] by n8.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 18:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.248] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 18:13:56 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 18:13:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 967591.47434.bm@omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 47958 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 18:13:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) 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(big_h00pla@75.120.198.248 with plain) by smtp117.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 18:15:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jhUpBXkVM1mwNAYf5peuL33SilViWbmn12aTtaXMneUv3llxgOOzuLJt3aqYipst1rVpLi4wJtEyGMQQx9Ao9XtBETRRve6VpIsnoFgHrH3aTZfAcj_dV514a7u1.6Pf.0xfCYPd75I3qsWQS2w_JAc_glwszZ_Na7YFDQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081108.095735.6458.2@webmail17.dca.untd.com> References: <20081108.095735.6458.2@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <08E393FD-1F4E-4E9E-B6C9-F89AB2FA0340@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:15:27 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3 years after confiscation some get guns back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=FIhnA2eMNr6mLyUSJV08w0IYu-qqo0Odgs8PbbWoSTPLVlFmtg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 8, 2008, at 5:57 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Giving Credit Got to give credit to Bush. If it were not for him, Obama would never have been elected. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Nov 08 10:22:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17971 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 18:22:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 18:22:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.24) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 18:22:17 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so971291qwb.11 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:22:16 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.243.20 with SMTP id q20mr5359010qah.361.1226168536358; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:22:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm5930758yws.5.2008.11.08.10.22.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:22:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3A3D65C7-9EA1-4EBA-AE31-AA0D4A7E3DB9@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:22:11 -0500 References: <20081108.093451.6458.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> <3A3D65C7-9EA1-4EBA-AE31-AA0D4A7E3DB9@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3 years after confiscation some get guns back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=Xt8Jbm9JnTDMiV5xomcnOzAcpYHQgQX6i2GnImdAm6E3qx0C8ENErmNfPjJouw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Nov 8, 2008, at 1:13 PM, kevin redding wrote: > What does that have to do with the Republican administration letting > the US Army, US Coast Guard, LA National Guard, and Blackwater along > with the NOLA police confiscate guns in NOLA? What does THAT have to do with the Broadcasting of Stereophonic signals on the AM Medium Wave Broadcast band? 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(big_h00pla@75.120.198.248 with plain) by smtp105.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 18:34:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WrMjboUVM1mwQAb0Jr9Z4i88Rxz5bGNpnxzUXSJkdWhBv7VU24tJsr4czC9TD0T6FUZ8rshDcZH1R9MKXRwq30ynpO06Or8Uyt_330YXoObDpu1aL5LpwbCZ5SmEL2hCUeVy62mUbojZnu6Wp6V9n2G2qmllbjnS0cJxNg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <20081108.093451.6458.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> <3A3D65C7-9EA1-4EBA-AE31-AA0D4A7E3DB9@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:34:11 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3 years after confiscation some get guns back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=FCV4qvETYeBPW0s1NKqEKIaR2eLk4fapRASah7TKFDUAobFkGw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Zero. On Nov 8, 2008, at 12:22 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > What does THAT have to do with the Broadcasting of Stereophonic > signals on the AM Medium Wave Broadcast band? From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Nov 08 10:40:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89051 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 18:40:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 18:40:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.26) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 18:40:58 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so1213690qwb.19 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:40:58 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.215.12.5 with SMTP id p5mr5373176qai.270.1226169658105; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:40:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm5767196ywl.4.2008.11.08.10.40.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:40:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <79765CE7-4880-4313-BFA1-4DEBEAF003D4@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:40:53 -0500 References: <20081108.093451.6458.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> <3A3D65C7-9EA1-4EBA-AE31-AA0D4A7E3DB9@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3 years after confiscation some get guns back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=GMlTeFHTuBj6vZWITLAUC95QcmAxJVff1oahAojS10TEVkT4_mDYi3Pzl1ZXkg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Nov 8, 2008, at 1:34 PM, kevin redding wrote: > Zero. Then WHY post it on an AM Stereo forum? Gee, after 2 YEARS of this politics crap ain't y'all had ENOUGH? Possum From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Nov 08 10:47:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79363 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 18:47:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2008 18:47:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.94) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 18:47:41 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 18:47:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.136] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 18:47:32 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp109.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2008 18:47:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 475232.88131.bm@omp109.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 87457 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2008 18:47:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.248 with plain) by smtp111.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2008 18:47:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Z94nnWAVM1kVbSp3mC_32HuQR7Bw9kXU38kVEoHC37vTR6R1Q.Lhl34q2KJkDUjqzwfzTz48Iciuu67AB967IIQVs.3VLPIsblvaupxvAmehDkSHEiHmez3Ub8OtxHO9BaRO9PO3JJh2S29_IqzbmXE6n6orRB1eKrS0aQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <79765CE7-4880-4313-BFA1-4DEBEAF003D4@gmail.com> References: <20081108.093451.6458.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> <3A3D65C7-9EA1-4EBA-AE31-AA0D4A7E3DB9@yahoo.com> <79765CE7-4880-4313-BFA1-4DEBEAF003D4@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2E0D2B07-2C79-46D0-9F19-EB9CBA14434B@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:47:30 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3 years after confiscation some get guns back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=r4ZCZz5XnA747sbU44GYnWG1xrQerHHV3J2C6jUXIgEWMHglrg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla The moderator or list owner has not stopped it as of yet. When it happens, for me, its over. On Nov 8, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > Then WHY post it on an AM Stereo forum? Gee, after 2 YEARS of this > politics crap ain't y'all had ENOUGH? From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Nov 08 19:44:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95095 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2008 03:44:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2008 03:44:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173001pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.1) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 03:44:18 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KA1009GTRPSNNU5@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:44:18 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:44:17 -0500 To: Message-id: <2E048771431D41B3AE96BDFA3B7DE8FF@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20081108.095735.6458.2@webmail17.dca.untd.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3 years after confiscation some get guns back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=kBEToOXp7A6HU3btzV07Tvbo3UtWiIoLIBGQ79gjYISOGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don's point is well-taken. The Republican Party didn't move to the far right until the neoconservatives started to take it over around the early 1980s. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} 3 years after confiscation some get guns back A little history lesson: Giving Credit Mr. Obama's victory on November 4 has been attributed not only to his own personality and message of "change" and "hope," but also to a highly efficient ground operation, an uncritical - indeed fawning - leftwing media, and the ability to raise a staggering $650 million (much of it from foreign sources, the names of whom have still not been reported). Also unreported, but a crucial part of his success, has been the heroic work done - historically - by Republicans. It was a Republican, Abraham Lincoln, who sacrificed everything - including his life - to fight a Civil War that ended slavery. As documented by Diane Alden for Newsmax.com: * During the Civil War, Republicans planned the most significant amendments ever to our Constitution and enacted - despite fierce opposition from the Democrats - the 13th Amendment to ban slavery, the 14th Amendment to protect all Americans regardless of the color of their skin, and the 15th Amendment to extend voting rights to African-Americans. * "Every man that wanted the privilege of whipping another man to make him work for nothing, and pay him with lashes on his naked back, was a Democrat.Every man that raised bloodhounds to pursue human beings was a Democrat.Every man that cursed Abraham Lincoln because he issued the Emancipation Proclamation was a Democrat,"wrote Robert Ingersoll in 1876. * For its first 80 years, the Republican Party was the only one to provide a home for African-Americans.Until well into the 20th century, every African-American member of Congress was a Republican. The same was true for nearly all state legislators and other elected officials. * In 1888, Republican Senator Aaron Sargent introduced the "Susan B. Anthony" Amendment to the Constitution, according women of all races the right to vote.Strong Democrat opposition to what would become the 19th Amendment delayed ratification until 1920. But that's ancient history, you say. Okay, how about the 20th century? * In the 26 major civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of their votes, while the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of the votes. See here and here. * When President John F. Kennedy was a senator from Massachusetts, he could have voted for the 1957 Civil Rights Act pushed by Senate Majority Leader Lyndon Johnson, but he didn't. This Act only passed with the help of Republicans. After JFK was elected president, he failed to suggest any new civil rights proposals in 1961 or 1962. * In 1963, Kennedy decided to act on the 1964 Civil Rights Act, but faced a filibuster by southern Democrats. Republicans favored the bill, which would have failed without their votes. * Hubert Humphrey, a member of Congress when Democrats held both houses of Congress, admitted that, "without the leadership and help of Republicans," legislative efforts "would have been watered down or failed because of obstinate Democrats - i.e., the Dixiecrats." * The fact that Democrats are quick to take credit for the Civil Rights Act and for the civil rights movement itself is both phony and a self-absorbed vanity," Alden says. * The Republican Leader in the Senate, Everett Dirksen (R-IL), wrote the 1960 Civil Rights Act, and was the person most responsible for defeating the Democrat filibuster against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.The 1964 Civil Rights Act passed the House of Representatives with 80% Republican support but only 61% of Democrats. * In the Senate, 82% of Republicans supported the bill compared to 69% of Democrats. * Similarly, the 1965 Voting Rights Act was supported in Congress by a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats.Democrats vigorously opposed Republican efforts to protect the civil rights of African-Americans, from Reconstruction until well into the 20th century. In much of the country, racist Democrats virtually destroyed the Republican Party, which did not become a force in those areas until President Reagan's message of freedom and equality prevailed in the 1980s.Today, the Republican Party continues its historical commitment to civil rights at home and around the world. * In 2004, [America celebrated] the 150th anniversary of the GOP as well as the 50th anniversaryof Brown v. Board of Education - a watershed of the modern-day civil rights movement.In May 1954, former Republican Governor and GOP vice presidential candidate Earl Warren, appointed Chief Justice by Republican President Eisenhower, wrote this landmark decision declaring that "separate but equal" is inherently unconstitutional.To help enforce this principle, the Eisenhower administration drafted the 1957 Civil Rights Act and guided it to passage over a Democrat filibuster. The Four S's In Why Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican, Frances Rice, Chairman of the National Black Republican Association, tells us that, "in that era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S's: Slavery, Secession, Segregation and now Socialism." Rice continues: * It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. * The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. * The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860's, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950's and 1960's. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools. * Much is made of Democrat President Harry Truman's issuing an Executive Order in 1948 to desegregate the military. Not mentioned is the fact that it was President Eisenhower who actually took action to effectively end segregation in the military. President Kennedy was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph who was a black Republican. * President Kennedy, through his brother Attorney General Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King. * In 1968, after riots broke out in Tennessee where a teenager was killed, Democrat Senator Robert Byrd, a former member of the Ku Klux Klan, called Dr. King a "trouble-maker" who starts trouble, but runs like a coward after trouble is ignited. A few weeks later, Dr. King returned to Memphis and was assassinated on April 4, 1968. * Although affirmative action now has been turned by the Democrats into an unfair quota system, affirmative action was begun by Nixon to counter the harm caused to blacks when Democrat President Woodrow Wilson in 1912 kicked all of the blacks out of federal government jobs. It was Republicans who founded the historically Black Colleges and Universities. * Critics of Republican Senator Barry Goldwater who ran for president against Democrat President Lyndon Johnson in 1964, ignore the fact that Goldwater wanted to force the Democrats in the South to stop passing discriminatory laws and thus end the need to continuously enact federal civil rights legislation. President Johnson, in his 4,500-word State of the Union Address delivered on January 4, 1965, mentioned scores of topics for federal action, but only thirty five words were devoted to civil rights. He did not mention one word about voting rights.Then in 1967, showing his anger with Dr. King's protest against the Viet Nam War, President Johnson referred to Dr. King as "that Nigger preacher." * Contrary to the false assertions by Democrats, the racist "Dixiecrats" did not all migrate to the Republican Party. "Dixiecrats" declared that they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than vote for a Republican because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks. Today, some of those "Dixiecrats" continue their political careers as Democrats, including Democrat Senator Robert Byrd who is well known for having been a "Kleagle" in the Ku Klux Klan. * Republican Senator Strom Thurmond defended blacks against lynching and the discriminatory poll taxes imposed on blacks by Democrats. If Senator Byrd and Senator Thurmond were alive during the Civil War, and Byrd had his way, Thurmond would have been lynched. "Today," Rice says, "Democrats, in pursuit of their socialist agenda, are fighting to keep blacks poor, angry and voting for Democrats." In 2004, they blocked passage of a bill to renew the 1996 welfare reform law that was pushed by Republicans and vetoed twice by President Bill Clinton before he finally signed it. They are opposed to school-choice opportunity scholarships that would help black children get out of failing schools, and they blocked Social Security reform, even though blacks on average lose $10,000 in the current system because of a shorter life expectancy than whites (72.2 years for blacks vs. 77.5 years for whites). "Democrats have been running our inner-cities for the past 30-40 years," Rice adds, "and blacks are still complaining about the same problems. Over $7 trillion dollars has been spent on poverty programs...with little, if any, impact on poverty." These are facts - you know those pesky little things that liberals abhor. But in spite of the Democrats' historical racism, their abominable record in serving the needs of the black community, and their obvious inability to handle our economy, there's a new Democrat in town, once again promising the moon. -- kevin redding wrote: > It was THE CITY that violated citizens' gun rights. NOLA is run by > Democrats, and you're telling me the REPUBLICANS used Blackwater to > confiscate the guns??? In the words of the robot from Lost In > Space- "That does not compute!" NONE of these articles proved the > 'Pubs did it. And I'm not worth YOUR time? Perhaps I'm too expensive If the president told the National Guard and Army, Navy and Coast Guard who were heavily involved in this that they would not confiscate guns out of peoples houses it would not happen and Nagin and Blanco and Blackwater would not have gone up against them. Never forget, Republikans suck. 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Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From timgibbs@powerup.com.au Sun Nov 09 05:28:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: timgibbs@powerup.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69645 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2008 13:28:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2008 13:28:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out3.iinet.net.au) (203.59.1.148) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 13:28:15 -0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkwFAAJ0Fkl8q7XP/2dsb2JhbACCTSzFf4NY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,568,1220198400"; d="scan'208,217";a="349199439" X-Received: from unknown (HELO w8000) ([124.171.181.207]) by outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out3.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 09 Nov 2008 22:28:14 +0900 To: Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 23:28:10 +1000 Message-ID: <000b01c9426f$02bb4440$0831ccc0$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclCbwI6+3+pbCcpRSOlF+YwWnGAZw== Content-Language: en-au X-Originating-IP: 203.59.1.148 From: "Timothy Gibbs" Subject: Re: 3 years after confiscation some get guns back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111456248; y=g7LZqrjxGW7CmmqWkPy-G67u_D2-C9qX4Usr0zXIgetZhgRm X-Yahoo-Profile: timjgibbs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HELLO, I live in Australia and I thought this group was about AM Stereo not about RED NECK GUN TOOTING **** **** We have gun control in Australia and our children go to school and walk home. In America your kid goes to school and comes home in a box. We had one bad experience in Australia (not in a school), so gun control was introduced. Since then there has been no more STUPID deaths. This may upset up you, but this is how your allies see you! I wonder how the other not so friendly countries see America. Does any more need to be said about gun control. MODERATOR: Can the group get back to talking about AM Stereo! Tim Gibbs Australia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Nov 09 10:05:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6671 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2008 18:05:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2008 18:05:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 18:05:15 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.242] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081109120506003195600010.0) with SMTP id <20081109120506003195600010> for ; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 12:05:06 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00c901c94295$f2bcf580$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000b01c9426f$02bb4440$0831ccc0$@com.au> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 12:05:06 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3 years after confiscation some get guns back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=JZL_qLj8J3XIxgUWoZ5qAej3z8D0RRkHSDYJ9cDSMrFty1dz4Qk2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You've only got half the story. Most of these shootings happen in big cities that HAVE gun control! You don't hear of it out in Montana or Wyoming because out there the good guys are allowed to carry guns. If someone were to attempt a drive-by shooting out there, they'd be shot dead by the good citizens. You Aussies have a crime wave from what I hear because of an unarmed citizenry. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Timothy Gibbs To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com We have gun control in Australia and our children go to school and walk home. In America your kid goes to school and comes home in a box. We had one bad experience in Australia (not in a school), so gun control was introduced. Since then there has been no more STUPID deaths. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Nov 09 10:14:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74353 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2008 18:14:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2008 18:14:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 18:14:00 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.242] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081109121332001061800010.0) with SMTP id <20081109121332001061800010> for ; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 12:13:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00d601c94297$1f46d340$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 12:13:32 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: starting to get it format-wise X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=rh_U1Aav30AwlIlfvsUVHvl6H0J_MB1PyWL_cS-t5TvAQ3NIqEEO X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, so this is about an FM station, but looks like folks are starting to realize much of what we've been saying here for years- playlists are too limited. Finally looks like one station is doing something about it. From the Upper Midwest Broadcasting Page: Journal Broadcasting's WKTI/94.5 (Milwaukee) has dropped its 32-year-old Hot Adult Contemporary format for Variety Hits as "94.5 Lake FM." The switch happened at Noon Thursday (11/7), and the station plans to change callsign to WLWK. WISN-TV, The Business Journal, and the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel report the entire WKTI airstaff is out as part of the format change, but, unlike many other Variety Hits stations, "Lake FM" plans to eventually have on-air personalities. Journal is launching the new format as three of its main competitors spin Christmas tunes. The station's website describes the new format as follows: "Instead of being limited to just a few hundred of the same tired songs, we're playing thousands of songs from the 60's to today, including Pop, Rock, Top 40 and the timeless classics." Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Nov 09 13:08:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79045 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2008 21:08:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2008 21:08:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.220) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 21:08:45 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2008 21:08:45 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.72] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2008 21:08:45 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2008 21:08:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 207164.80425.bm@omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 3139 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2008 21:08:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.248 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2008 21:08:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: C4zLQgMVM1m6d7RJDG68aCCvEFpoW5QWtstfGj6Yedj7Kss8XCLnba2gadM_VP0zv623wurhXHycuFmMoc7EfhyiNDoB0tIqmkeiInn.PocTq_1PQkGxkEHJ9UdjN0_J3TZWeqvN0z4j1Ki9u84fcuaj72P2nL444hnTK9RjKH_13mL6sIcRVXQRWw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <00c901c94295$f2bcf580$d503fea9@stodd> References: <000b01c9426f$02bb4440$0831ccc0$@com.au> <00c901c94295$f2bcf580$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0A590180-923A-482D-ADE1-5F51C2FBB69E@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:08:43 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.220 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 3 years after confiscation some get guns back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=RmFUzvypV8Rm7Em5l1XsR7N-h7LqlXAGtLe-V47h-2KtgRoibg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla This is one thing we agree on, Scott. Kevin On Nov 9, 2008, at 12:05 PM, wrote: > You've only got half the story. Most of these shootings happen in > big cities that HAVE gun control! You don't hear of it out in > Montana or Wyoming because out there the good guys are allowed to > carry guns. If someone were to attempt a drive-by shooting out > there, they'd be shot dead by the good citizens. You Aussies have > a crime wave from what I hear because of an unarmed citizenry. From pmount2@att.net Sun Nov 09 21:06:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pmount2@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1003 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2008 05:06:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2008 05:06:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.145) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 05:06:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2008 05:06:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2008 05:06:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:06:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.115.58.214 From: "paul mount" Subject: TM-152 auctions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192157907; y=Id79MBePQrvb300e7UtYFi7dMhj8pRYobvmeX7TlraV-8Xg X-Yahoo-Profile: mount142 Do TM-152's come up much on eBay? And if so what do they typically sell for? Thanks Paul From dwtpa97@verizon.net Tue Nov 11 08:32:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41710 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2008 16:32:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2008 16:32:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173001pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.1) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 16:32:01 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KA6007SCGLC5OA7@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:32:01 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:32:00 -0500 To: Message-id: <033E877B10704E7AAB572DDF8202AD39@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20081108.095735.6458.2@webmail17.dca.untd.com> <2E048771431D41B3AE96BDFA3B7DE8FF@your4dacd0ea75> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: {AMSF} Just Checking on AMSF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=VM_tB60cEqWh9VO4RioHkX4UVfhWGJ-4gA8DoZZ80QUORw X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Haven't seen any posts from anybody. Just checking to see if posts are working.. Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 08:41:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83123 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2008 16:41:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2008 16:41:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 16:41:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37918 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Nov 2008 16:41:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZUYt3EcVM1miIRyn7wWmhsRXzEcxRxwTaSJEPXuPmQSG5o2oR5c_sB.jHcYZXrYlTiXMPmZXmu8j1rvWKXchUGsY_dvn.w6cuQPJUDpmbT74ZGlhXOoBODcq_UFIlNf7FiVzBq1wIpGgMmd3Ih70zCHGCJusZdzFeCquLG97XsUuUesFP0KiWqtDQj0- X-Received: from [75.144.174.185] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:41:08 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:41:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <033E877B10704E7AAB572DDF8202AD39@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <305966.23832.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Just Checking on AMSF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=qBALOyv-6dBMtS6uWE62qXfxQZIrAtcV5AZIAYmaTo-eSA0PHaL6 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yup.=A0 Just to check: are you able to see this? --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Dick W wrote: From: Dick W Subject: {AMSF} Just Checking on AMSF To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 11:32 AM =20=20=20=20 Haven't seen any posts from anybody. Just checking to see if po= sts are working.. Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Tue Nov 11 09:01:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62433 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2008 17:01:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2008 17:01:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 17:01:14 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail10.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.150]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABETVQUPA4XWZZ2 for (sender ); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:01:01 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDwR1YIyMEW8A+onDFd1ZRBk= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail10.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NZQW2R4X; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:00:58 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.20] by webmail10.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:59:44 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:59:44 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081111.085944.4951.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:1120351047 X-MAIL-INFO:25c3731773176b936b5f1e6bc71e275a7e1aab3adf3aaeb7beab9afaced3ca4ab33a93c38b6a473a6ac75fb75fc31e6a0baeee9ee7f35f6eee026f5a9b079b07333f33be9f337e9fd3ee7f8f2b3e0e3e5e830a2b4ba7df03e32e9a3e3f5a77cfcb3ecf7ebe83be5a9fcf135e972a63a39eee9e0fe7270fe757eee77b2a978a1a93fec7daca6af3674a8b6b03f3c76a0b4e6e6b6e8ece0adb976bc7ce1b7b0f7b6e7fce0a232b47bbe70a7b7f1f3ecbba7b033e4bbf3b2e87ba879a4e5a9bafb3eb1fa7efbe2a5a2a3f13efafd3dff71e9f3ad3abafafbecacbcaabab8f6bab9a73c3634f6ac76bc7238a17ea X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.150|webmail10.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Just Checking on AMSF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=uK8jjFoDdR_SLh1twMMU48apcUX6GmR8iUok99TiNg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn These things can be quite stressful.=20 I hope you all are feeling much better now! -- JNR wrote: Yup.=A0 Just to check: are you able to see this? --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Dick W wrote: From: Dick W Subject: {AMSF} Just Checking on AMSF To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 11:32 AM =20=20=20=20 Haven't seen any posts from anybody. Just checking to see if po= sts are working.. Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 11:38:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61694 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2008 19:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2008 19:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n33a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.214) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 19:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2008 19:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2008 19:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2008 19:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.108.92] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2008 19:38:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:38:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.27 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Some words about the AM present and future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=RImAFRPJP0DOt4jQXfAd2HDjNI6DnYpJAbigAs5AFeh-giF13Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! Well, now the things are clear (Obama won) and I hope USA get in=20 into a new age of political visions. We could discuss about a lot of things about the Obama victory=20 but... at last, our problem will remain the same: WHAT ABOUT THE Amplitude Modulation PRESENT AND FUTURE!!! Regardless of the final system to use (AMS, IBOC, DRM or another=20 still unknown) the problem is how to capture the listeners and how=20 to keep them over the time. In this line, I insist about a whole change of the format. I vote=20 for the beautiful music, the golden classical music, the golden=20 1950s, 1960s and 1970s and... a little time to the news and sports. But, that's me. HOW TO CHANGE THE MIND OF THE USA BROADCASTERS? Somebody could say: But if this guy is from Chile, Why does he care=20 about the USA AM radio? Simple answer: CHILEAN PEOPLE OFTEN FOLLOWS THE USA CUSTOM, and I=20 don't know why. So... In other words, if there is some POSITIVE change in USA, then there=20 will be a change in Chile too. I hope some change. Do you? Just... crazy ideas from a crazy man. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Chile, South America, with love From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 15:14:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91234 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2008 23:14:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2008 23:14:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 23:14:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37561 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Nov 2008 23:14:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6EQ.PdsVM1n.PrxfPeiDwrB44Cc8.dTAvwIofTcQTFfIPzaVBkBMWCkOpCnr.T.cYWUDCMO08hp4Y21VEJ5UwvmRbESOSMBb.vtleqb_dGw.4wS_LPAWV29x_44_jAPsQn1fnTR1WpSAnCF0UwEoFtoRZVCRAhDy80Ysp02ThHJvMhE3nu4XxScE65s0 X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:14:30 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:14:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <033E877B10704E7AAB572DDF8202AD39@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <834839.37402.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Just Checking on AMSF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=8T0f6IPIarqk1ZotWI2cAgbJfqe-bDTAZSmEggUV4pbyQA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Just a theoretical consideration of the situation, but I would guess that the unfortunate de-proliferation of AM Stereo activity on the medium-wave band around this great continent has resulted in a proportionate dissipation in the amount of commentary applicable to the primary subject of this virtual venue. Just my semi-educated postulation, worth approximately 2 small copper discs bearing the likeness of A. Lincoln... George --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Dick W wrote: > From: Dick W > Subject: {AMSF} Just Checking on AMSF > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 11:32 AM > Haven't seen any posts from anybody. Just checking to > see if posts are working.. > Dick W. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Tue Nov 11 15:29:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31361 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2008 23:29:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2008 23:29:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2008 23:29:32 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail07.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.147]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABETWFLDATJFM7S for (sender ); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:29:07 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD5xwPDwUHI7hK6fjRrRRsio= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail07.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NZRL77YB; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:28:25 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.20] by webmail07.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:28:15 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:28:15 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081111.152815.15330.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 10:5:3573404947 X-MAIL-INFO:2c89698c698c091509250d09ac0dd5755cf838c961c9e94dd138b57119dc915965c915899cc529c9c5ac254d25890dc56ce9b1ec451c25e5b11d8d7531f531f5110511d1a8115ca8dcb12da53cb8f9b8d8ed013c819961413d85b5b80575287cf1b87c5cd1edd175a87ca9d89895c155ecb1ec7845d57845fcb14500959868f8156dac4891c51cbd599c09411cacc56c2ce509e5cc1901c89809ac1921007800e52d19010c3c29ad4501002de1b8f1350041b88149cd85b935b9b52c753118657de199bcd195759505a9bc18dc61dd0da8c9dc381818d191f1913838a50938b56989c15dc5ac09ac0c688ca1 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.147|webmail07.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Just Checking on AMSF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=kjvmf6Mp8dhwOfn2Y8AY-8ThJ-Bg6qdl1p8PnrylMg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Ummm The copper discs are not. They are zinc with copper plating. Composition: Copper-plated Zinc 97.5% ZN, 2.5% Cu When they were copper we used them to replace the contacts on transmitter p= ower transfer relays. Don -- george russell wrote: Just a theoretical consideration of the situation, but I would guess that t= he unfortunate de-proliferation of AM Stereo activity on the medium-wave ba= nd around this great continent has resulted in a proportionate dissipation = in the amount of commentary applicable to the primary subject of this virtu= al venue. Just my semi-educated postulation, worth approximately 2 small copper discs= bearing the likeness of A. Lincoln... George =20=20=20=20 --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Dick W wrote: > From: Dick W > Subject: {AMSF} Just Checking on AMSF > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 11:32 AM > Haven't seen any posts from anybody. Just checking to > see if posts are working.. > Dick W. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 16:27:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10412 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2008 00:27:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2008 00:27:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2008 00:27:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28570 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Nov 2008 00:27:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: i4VdfeAVM1l24m3.VAio3OdMhg87ggZkCxP6RL.SDiLP_TTiTbHLOSKL3BeSkRxiB2TQAl5kng.QQYBXZQ6Roi95RhCgoWoerttmqDZ_.feMNzcZE7pHmu2psgFGx9aoe7i4I.JnOmI.DM0wR5JiwHuj6nGr6eZ0ej1u3rP0_d4UVHwElu4yrhQC_O_W X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:27:48 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:27:48 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081111.152815.15330.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <314077.28546.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Just Checking on AMSF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=GvwQ00RGRuVzTSm_MSmn464pBWkPY7V4JPfe5gHVggrXWA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Well, I stand corrected on the chemical character of the ever-shrinking small units of monetary exchange. Yes, I'll bet they make splendid contacts when they are a bit more pure! G --- On Tue, 11/11/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Just Checking on AMSF > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 6:28 PM > Ummm The copper discs are not. They are zinc with copper > plating. > > Composition: Copper-plated Zinc 97.5% ZN, 2.5% Cu > > When they were copper we used them to replace the contacts > on transmitter power transfer relays. > > Don > > -- george russell wrote: > Just a theoretical consideration of the situation, but I > would guess that the unfortunate de-proliferation of AM > Stereo activity on the medium-wave band around this great > continent has resulted in a proportionate dissipation in the > amount of commentary applicable to the primary subject of > this virtual venue. > Just my semi-educated postulation, worth approximately 2 > small copper discs bearing the likeness of A. Lincoln... > George > > > > --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Dick W > wrote: > > > From: Dick W > > Subject: {AMSF} Just Checking on AMSF > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 11:32 AM > > Haven't seen any posts from anybody. Just checking > to > > see if posts are working.. > > Dick W. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 22:59:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73006 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2008 06:59:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2008 06:59:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2008 06:59:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2008 06:59:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2008 06:59:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2008 06:59:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:59:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <314077.28546.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.93 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Just Checking on AMSF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=baa5Wy_9hk3bAUuk2u5vyfRUsxf04Wti4SoSKbriBBTq9ROi2w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > Well, I stand corrected on the chemical character of the ever- shrinking small units of monetary exchange. Yes, I'll bet they make=20 splendid contacts when they are a bit more pure! > G >=20 Man!!! You just need pure Chilean copper!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From keith1226@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 00:57:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51812 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2008 08:57:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2008 08:57:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.143) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2008 08:57:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 51246 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Nov 2008 08:57:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vIPZ1jAVM1m8kxQwS2ZzEj2Rwn7nLfqZcVY6BaPDPn.XaBgjSirEGeUhZqqocmufV2Tj1OIrDEg1KFaShsfNK4WI.HtGedr5xxFVtR2FlkwxHpMQwCpodyBy99VAi5coa5X4K5J240EtOxGyDbcx247hhHPVGVkySapKwm.L_a_BQ9ro.6kTRASD4wo- X-Received: from [76.121.22.52] by web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:57:21 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:57:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <894017.50840.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Reply-To: keith1226@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=8Kn4u0cx8J-GFBLTxy5PMnulxUG9IwDELw-fIzGsj8qkEJCh X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Ok, I'll start a new discussion topic: what are everybody's favorite radios= for listening to AM/MW with good audio fidelity? I mean program listening = as opposed to DXing distant stations (although if a radio has good audio an= d is also sensitive to distant stations, so much the better 8-). Portable, = tabletop, bookshelf, or whatever.=20 My favorites:=20 portables: GE Superadios I, II, and III, an old Grundig Ocean Boy, a GE boo= mbox (AM/FM/Cassette) with digital tuning and a clock (I don't think it's t= he famous "Superadio with cassette," but another GE from the same time peri= od), and an old Sanyo boombox (AM/FM/Cassette).=20 tabletop radios: a Panasonic and a couple of older Sonys (don't know the mo= del numbers off hand, but will go look if anyone is interested). I also have a newer Magnavox/Philips compact shelf system with CD changer, = etc., but its AM performance is not very good.=20 Regards,=20 Keith Beesley in Seattle, WA USA=20=20 --- On Tue, 11/11/08, jotape1960 wrote: > From: jotape1960 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Just Checking on AMSF > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 10:59 PM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > =20 > wrote: > > > > Well, I stand corrected on the chemical character of > the ever- > shrinking small units of monetary exchange. Yes, I'll > bet they make=20 > splendid contacts when they are a bit more pure! > > G > >=20 >=20 > Man!!! You just need pure Chilean copper!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 From keith1226@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 00:58:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51241 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2008 08:58:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2008 08:58:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.143) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2008 08:58:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 51996 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Nov 2008 08:58:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8buI3Q0VM1k6NGMXmrdVnMhnn.VWVft0ZZgFZrYiahpeXBmEiyPFxswxGvYqeYH7r1swTE79aspm3ehHx30P7YDCZ5oSoCuXbyaLMfJ9_ZTgBeMDoxYy6FVzOI2ldisgFYSGG6_8IrrurS79gbda_SSD48AanEQHdzEch2X4ntosNvf2KGg08oeUJSw- X-Received: from [76.121.22.52] by web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:58:17 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:58:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <131072.50809.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Reply-To: keith1226@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=yBHLf_vXczEDKiLMkhH9iuWygfjLNyhivQyXGYLxNdWnhb_c X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Ok, I'll start a new discussion topic: what are everybody's favorite radios= for listening to AM/MW with good audio fidelity? I mean program listening = as opposed to DXing distant stations (although if a radio has good audio an= d is also sensitive to distant stations, so much the better 8-). Portable, = tabletop, bookshelf, or whatever.=20 My favorites:=20 portables: GE Superadios I, II, and III, an old Grundig Ocean Boy, a GE boo= mbox (AM/FM/Cassette) with digital tuning and a clock (I don't think it's t= he famous "Superadio with cassette," but another GE from the same time peri= od), and an old Sanyo boombox (AM/FM/Cassette).=20 tabletop radios: a Panasonic and a couple of older Sonys (don't know the mo= del numbers off hand, but will go look if anyone is interested). I also have a newer Magnavox/Philips compact shelf system with CD changer, = etc., but its AM performance is not very good.=20 Regards,=20 Keith Beesley in Seattle, WA USA=20=20 --- On Tue, 11/11/08, jotape1960 wrote: > From: jotape1960 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Just Checking on AMSF > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 10:59 PM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > =20 > wrote: > > > > Well, I stand corrected on the chemical character of > the ever- > shrinking small units of monetary exchange. Yes, I'll > bet they make=20 > splendid contacts when they are a bit more pure! > > G > >=20 >=20 > Man!!! You just need pure Chilean copper!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 05:33:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64662 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2008 13:33:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2008 13:33:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2008 13:33:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2296 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Nov 2008 13:33:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XtamoisVM1lL21l4WemC4vf9yFsgTlCWA1IPrkN7EzPyrh_QQQEGZ6Q664kOSrQRc2GIi8HBrPBHhyqbFej6sWMllMLxuz2lyBaUMDRUxRfWdFWg_KoMjzyFMObl3JKaKX3WKP.12l.Zu89V6YkpOxn1 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:33:10 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:33:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <495082.1858.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Just Checking on AMSF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=xIdXxVnaJPd7KCPfnUkI0Oe8g8-TCor3kLOEhINRxz5g0VO6V5SRUgc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Yes, ye ole Lincoln Fuse Base in the Edison Socket fuse holder. It appears the original (pre-82) pennies could take up to 15A, but most of the time the (usually deceased) person who stuck a penny in behind the fuse did it because it kept on blowing the 15A or 20A (or 30A !) Edison-based fuse! Bad news. Also know a 'tard that used his bubble gum tin wrapper to replace his blown 20A glass fuse in his 1969 car (which also caught fire). From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 05:35:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66631 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2008 13:35:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2008 13:35:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2008 13:35:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42287 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Nov 2008 13:35:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: M6FBv.UVM1me7Jj7m1KFO0y8b.U4zAiMI3nPQ.3.ogApJEK25fVnmpOOl9uB9GXaujOdg_wGMa65I0UoWP8ydYnjCvKXo6mnzTR93UGs2kfAqcJm6C2IKJPdmBR.SWquQ7yrllLHp5xaX6XMuL7gBcUD X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:35:24 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:35:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <109321.40760.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: favorite radios? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=0iRYdWBt2HrSpbZuntvfEKjVITiSOz4O_jT7GADPs_E4Hz7HGT4zQpU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The auto radios are my favs, like the 1980s-90's 5-band EQ AMS Chrysler radios, the Delco UX-1 AMS, and of course the Fanfare FTA-100 AM Stereo tuner. GE SuperRadio III is great for non-stereo listening. John From timgibbs@powerup.com.au Wed Nov 12 06:13:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: timgibbs@powerup.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56456 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2008 14:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2008 14:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out3.iinet.net.au) (203.59.1.148) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2008 14:12:54 -0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EADtzGkl8q5NO/2dsb2JhbACCSi/MLoNX X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,590,1220198400"; d="scan'208,217";a="350478386" X-Received: from unknown (HELO w8000) ([124.171.147.78]) by outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out3.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 12 Nov 2008 23:12:52 +0900 To: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:12:50 +1000 Message-ID: <000f01c944d0$bf7a4f00$3e6eed00$@com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclE0L8AtIUUP/zbSZKRkliBHqjKWg== Content-Language: en-au X-Originating-IP: 203.59.1.148 From: "Timothy Gibbs" Subject: Re: favorite radios? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111456248; y=QUVmoqV8xyXr-FkFs7sEcEMVzUWPBBiTBCHE03U0yLD2Bf3h X-Yahoo-Profile: timjgibbs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As this thread has been started I will give my views from Brisbane in Australia. My choice of music ranges from classical (No opera. My version of a high drama entertainments are Italian or Greek Weddings) blues and a mixture of 60 and 70 rock/blues with some modern music. The ABC has nice live broadcast and Brisbane is a culturally challenged city in Australia (or is it culture spelt with a 'k") compared to Sydney and Melbourne or even Adelaide. The only way to listen to concerts is with a radio. My favorite Radios for listen to AM reception.(AM stereo is not available in Brisbane Australia) are listed below. AWA AM3 made in New Zealand very old but is really good. LC tuned Ifs without notch filter. Requires a slight warm up as tuning drifts slightly I gather it needs a few capacitors replaced. Mckay Dymek AM5 Ceramic tuned IF with notch filter at 10kHtz slightly compressed dynamic range. Playmaster AM form about 1982. This was a Magazine published circuit from Electronic Australia made a from kit. LC tuned IF without a notch filter. Homodyne tuned with phase lock loop. Needs repair (Failed casting of tuning coil assemble) form a circuit from Electronic Australia but from memory is very good. With a wide dynamic range. The above require a good antenna and in my area the Mackay DA 9 is essential for a decent sound. The FM tuners also requires an outside antenna to work well. If you want to listen to decent tuner whether AM or FM or digital you will require the appropriate antenna connected to the tuner. I have had friends listening to the cricket (cricket a game with a bat and ball, like base ball that goes on for 5 days. Very good to follow especially with a radio while you do other like work). On occasion I have had some friends (with a few beers on and hot afternoon) who are not really into the music comment on how the commentators voices sound very natural (like they are in the same room) with the AM tuners. For a portable the GE Super Radio II (This has problem with drifting. Any ideas of where to start to look for the fix). All the AM tuners are analog tuned. I have been able to listen to a few repeated live broadcast from the Australian Broadcasting Commission (ABC) on both FM and AM. I recorded the broadcasts using a Sony PCM 501ES and was able to compare the broadcasts. I feel there is not much difference between the AM and FM. I could say I prefer the AM broadcasts but I feel the processing of the broadcast may be more of an influence of the sound. One of the FM Broadcast has that been processed by a modern music station the sound was terrible compared to mono AM. It was easily to see on PCM501 that the meter hardly moved on recording the FM stations. The sound was all one level) The FM tuners at the time were Revox B160 and Technics ST930 (The Technics being much better for long distance reception than the Revox and I think sounded better). My present FM tuner is Magnum Dynalab Etube.Ft-101A Interested in hearing what other people are using to listen to music and their views. Cheer Tim G [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 08:40:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44528 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2008 16:40:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2008 16:40:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2008 16:40:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17184 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Nov 2008 16:40:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Ko_M_LgVM1nFhRMhvMPzSJCJCLkM_PD4fQZiblTcyx6Ex.I8pfIjbfNyovYCf90EHU0ZIwzeXgmvUQkq.eemkIRDJ.IdZzviDyEDTDFueBTBBKwuccA7WWYZgao2C0PV.be0LjiEgiXXWH9fVbQyl6fv X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:40:06 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:40:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <153317.11377.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re:TM-152 auctions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=VA-HsOR1_7r4dsUoPoXUBwQJM1UqDCyZuyWKOz0SvtO_Ov-SlEyeRM4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I've seen the TM-152's about 4x a year for about $20 - $80 on eBay. From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Nov 12 12:55:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96627 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2008 20:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2008 20:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2008 20:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d4b.4173f43f (37553) for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:55:11 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.149]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB032-5c63491b429cb0; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:55:09 -0500 X-Received: from webmail-de06 (webmail-de06.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.27]) by smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB021-5c63491b429cb0; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:54:52 -0500 References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:54:53 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 66.76.118.53 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD X-Received: from 66.76.118.53 by webmail-de06.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.27) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:54:53 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB13200BACE5C2-D70-7E5@webmail-de06.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=vzP3JzRM2yDeKBmaoPvFHX0UyMdTHikNykM2OXHwT2p_mk-k-Gw6FHI2ebMZ6imU X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, The problem with AM is the same problem that faces all of "free" over the air broadcasting.? The oxygen, i.e. ad revenue, continues to be depleted at an ever increasing rate.? There are two principal reasons for this.? One is competion with other media such as cable, satellite, and Internet for a shrinking amount of advertising dollars.? The second is severe fragmentation of listenership. In the "old days", on could spend 10's of millions of dollars for a 50 kW clear channel station that could perhaps cover a major metroplex during the day and sizeable region at night.? In addition to the upfront cost, the operating overhead was tremendous.? Today, one can webcast to the world with minimal investment. What AM radio need is ORIGINAL PROGRAMMING that can command an audience that is not otherwise better served by some other media.? We have the technology.? The heart and soul of this medium has always been ENTERTAINMENT.? Somehow that has been lost as station owners have gone to cheaper and repetitous programming.? AM radio has had two Golden Eras.? One was pre-televison when live music, melodramas, and quiz shows rules the airwaves.? The other was Top 40 Radio.? What made Top 40 Radio?? Strong on-air personalities (read: entertainers).? Larry Lujack, Don Imus, Wolfman Jack, etc.? were the Burns and Allen, Jack Benny, and Bob Hope of their day.? Let's face it, Talk Radio wasn't and never will be radio's next Golden Era.? The roots of Talk Radio aren't in the aforementioned eras but rather in Goebels, and I don't mean Lonesome George.? Even Nazi era propaganda radio was more than the endless drone of the Third Reich talking points. The success of Talk Radio was due to it being CHEAP to produce. As I have mentioned many times, radio needs rebirth.? It can't be an attempt to resurrect some by-gone era whose time has come and gone.? Todd Storz didn't try to bring back radio dramas or quiz shows.? Neither can we bring back The Wolfman or Don Rose, although the former I wish we could.? We need something that has become ever-increasing rare and not just in radio.? A new idea. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 1:38 pm Subject: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future HI GANG!!! Well, now the things are clear (Obama won) and I hope USA get in into a new age of political visions. We could discuss about a lot of things about the Obama victory but... at last, our problem will remain the same: WHAT ABOUT THE Amplitude Modulation PRESENT AND FUTURE!!! Regardless of the final system to use (AMS, IBOC, DRM or another still unknown) the problem is how to capture the listeners and how to keep them over the time. In this line, I insist about a whole change of the format. I vote for the beautiful music, the golden classical music, the golden 1950s, 1960s and 1970s and... a little time to the news and sports. But, that's me. HOW TO CHANGE THE MIND OF THE USA BROADCASTERS? Somebody could say: But if this guy is from Chile, Why does he care about the USA AM radio? Simple answer: CHILEAN PEOPLE OFTEN FOLLOWS THE USA CUSTOM, and I don't know why. So... In other words, if there is some POSITIVE change in USA, then there will be a change in Chile too. I hope some change. Do you? Just... crazy ideas from a crazy man. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Chile, South America, with love [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Nov 12 15:03:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95426 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2008 23:03:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2008 23:03:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.174) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2008 23:03:00 -0000 X-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so1224416uge.41 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:02:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.238.16 with SMTP id l16mr3796335ugh.38.1226530979532; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:02:59 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s7sm1860350uge.17.2008.11.12.15.02.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:02:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <9B9C8C5F-5F35-460C-918C-F6167182F8F8@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <894017.50840.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:00:15 -0500 References: <894017.50840.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=Ovl1gPl_Xj2nBhgjcJuFG-6cb_7tiuAJ5Ztfq2UO81vsJVv968ASOFA4qlwFsA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Nov 12, 2008, at 3:57 AM, keith beesley wrote: > Ok, I'll start a new discussion topic: what are everybody's favorite > radios for listening to AM/MW with good audio fidelity? Kenwood Model R-1000 > I mean program listening as opposed to DXing distant stations > (although if a radio has good audio and is also sensitive to distant > stations, so much the better 8-). The R-1000 is a KILLER DXer as well as very High Fidelity when in the 12KC AM Wide mode. Mine has been modified to use the CW Filter in the AM Mode when needed. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 15:20:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82886 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2008 23:20:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2008 23:20:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2008 23:20:32 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2008 23:20:23 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.65] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2008 23:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp417.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2008 23:20:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 950326.95079.bm@omp417.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 85103 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2008 23:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.202.192 with plain) by smtp126.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2008 23:20:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: D_XRPCAVM1nm40.BQTosUzLkvkMmY1KPUwBzQn.8xHLa6aklDdpVr9dZ2YGQmvnnRrIm_bmCjjrWEtP76TLmeWCuMPNQAKihG3j8U4qBRbnFZuAz6fFvWp57IjtujRC_wLF4K1oOJ2FNpwOvO5FpnJiXKbrsLth7MlRpAQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <9B9C8C5F-5F35-460C-918C-F6167182F8F8@gmail.com> References: <894017.50840.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9B9C8C5F-5F35-460C-918C-F6167182F8F8@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:20:29 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=JuH4lWqadkb_LCwLG9jaxSfyW5BoJ3VIhxdPISjLMdgzwRqOiw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 12, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > The R-1000 is a KILLER DXer as well as very High Fidelity when in the > 12KC AM Wide mode. Mine has been modified to use the CW Filter in the > AM Mode when needed. Got one and I agree when you use a nice big speaker with it. Superadios all sound good. Sony SRF A-1 patched into a nice amp. That does AM Stereo in all flavors of analog. Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Wed Nov 12 15:50:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66084 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2008 23:50:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2008 23:50:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-jn.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.20) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2008 23:50:55 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-jn.dca.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABETY47ZABH4LLJ for (sender ); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:50:15 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD9Cusd0cMNvSXYkYqDOPYpA= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NZT8UNEL; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:50:07 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:49:46 -0800 Message-ID: <20081112.154947.2984.1.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ContentStamp: 26:13:1527000370 X-MAIL-INFO:1b70c0e1f18da049c970f9f974291095614d606009a164d5914d0d20811099e5006454e020b08dc090f09100e45045e1b175 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=WsP1DvEh3hxVABqnoY1mZJTm_-pdfzI7vNiNAbD18g X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable AM Jobs in Jeopardy: In =9287, Journalists Backed Free Speech: =93The truth is...that there is no =91fairness=92 whatever in the =91fairness=92 doctrine. On the contrary, it is a chilling federal attempt to compel some undefined =91balance=92 of what ideas radio and television news programs are to include....The =91fairness doctrine=92 undercuts free, independent, sound and responsive journalism =97 substituting governmental dictates. That is deceptive, dangerous and, in a democracy, repulsive.=94 =97 Washington Post editorial, June 24, 1987. Now: ABC, CBS and NBC Provide Zero Coverage of Effort to Control Media Content and Extinguish Talk Radio Blackout of Left=92s =93Fairness=94 Doctrine Push Barack Obama=92s transition team has tapped former FCC Commissioner Henry Rivera, a longtime proponent of the so-called =93Fairness Doctrine,=94 to head the team looking for the man or woman who will soon give Democrats a 3-to-2 advantage on the Federal Communications Commission. It=92s another troubling sign that Democrats are serious about trying to reinstate the long-defunct FCC regulation, which can more aptly be described as the =93Censorship Doctrine=94 because of its chilling effect o= n free speech. In effect from 1949 to 1987, the Fairness Doctrine was an obstacle to open discussion of public policy issues on the radio; its removal in the Reagan years spawned the robust talk radio marketplace of ideas now enjoyed by millions. While talk radio hosts often warned during the campaign that free speech could be trampled by an all-Democratic majority, the broadcast networks have failed to react to this dangerous threat to the First Amendment. A review shows the broadcast networks =97 whose affiliates could also be regulated =97 have failed to run even a single story mentioning the push for a new Fairness Doctrine. The most recent mention of the Fairness Doctrine was on May 30, 2007, when in an interview on CBS=92s The Early Show, Al Gore bizarrely called it a =93protection=94 that was removed durin= g the Reagan years.=20 But there has been news to report, as Democrats have been more than candid about their plans. On Election Day, for example, New York Senator Charles Schumer justified regulating political speech. =93The very same people who don=92t want the Fairness Doctrine want the FCC to limit pornography on the air,=94 Schumer told the Fox News Channel. =93You can=92= t say, =91government hands off in one area=92 to a commercial enterprise, but you=92re allowed to intervene in another. That=92s not consistent.=94 In late October, Democratic Senator Jeff Bingaman told a New Mexico radio station how he =93hopes=94 the Fairness Doctrine returns so radio will be more to his liking: =93For many, many years, we operated under a Fairness Doctrine in this country. I think the country was well-served. I think the public discussion was at a higher level and more intelligent in those days than it has become since.=94 Democrats have launched various attempts to control of broadcast content since the Fairness Doctrine=92s demise in 1987, but the push has become more insistent in the past couple of years. After the failure of a liberal immigration bill in 2007, Senator Dianne Feinstein told Fox News Sunday that she was =93looking at=94 a new Fairness Doctrine because =93tal= k radio tends to be one-sided....It's explosive. It pushes people to, I think, extreme views without a lot of information.=94 As with Schumer and Bingaman recently, none of the broadcast networks thought Feinstein=92s threats worth reporting. Journalists aren=92t known for turning a blind eye to free speech issues. In 2003, ABC, CBS and NBC ran 33 stories on criticism of the Dixie Chicks for speaking out against President Bush and the Iraq war. ABC=92s Jim Wooten darkly warned: =93All this has reminded some of the McCarthy Era's blacklists that barred those even accused of communist sympathies for working in films or on television.=94 When Democrats first pushed to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine in 1987-88, both the New York Times and Washington Post (see box) came down strongly on the side of free speech. Now that the Left is gearing up to suffocate talk radio, the media=92s First Amendment solidarity seems to have been eclipsed by their loyalty to the would-be censors of the Democratic Party. =97 Rich Noyes http://www.mediaresearch.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 15:56:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59834 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2008 23:56:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2008 23:56:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n22b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.159) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2008 23:56:00 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n22.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2008 23:55:56 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.248] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2008 23:55:56 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2008 23:55:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 515779.94210.bm@omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 27352 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2008 23:55:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.202.192 with plain) by smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2008 23:55:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hjOcsZIVM1kvszS3Ur7NFNxtr5oMxV.91cEezmDQL1FO_WNWz8rRCIxVfCYHWZutY02749eYUkmbEtgIqpPqANUWbySeXkze07ob.nyZvmXGnsSiI_P5GVR.PexpBQriLW00FIGMNGghsBU_8Asody7lLV0JgL8HnVcrVw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081112.154947.2984.1.w6yn@juno.com> References: <20081112.154947.2984.1.w6yn@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:55:54 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Nks0p2NZx_X9bIPDZCF_DW-HI5rDgtlFpOC9GifVWXwbageuIQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 12, 2008, at 5:49 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > AM Jobs in Jeopardy: I should have known. I thought you were going to say something about how all the media megacorps were laying off radio workers left and right like they are. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Nov 12 15:56:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60662 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2008 23:56:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2008 23:56:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.27) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2008 23:56:28 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so386211qwb.5 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:56:27 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.10.18 with SMTP id 18mr10466985qaj.2.1226534187585; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:56:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 26sm4051512qwa.8.2008.11.12.15.56.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:56:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <8FFCA46B-0C6A-4BB3-B5E2-D997F512125A@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:56:23 -0500 References: <894017.50840.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9B9C8C5F-5F35-460C-918C-F6167182F8F8@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=tpgwKnz2-AF7eQFRF1aFrQClj99peE0lSQXd56xeme2-eR1HbGQzrXOZYU208Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Nov 12, 2008, at 6:20 PM, kevin redding wrote: > Got one and I agree when you use a nice big speaker with it. I cheat. I plug in an FM Modulator to the Ext Speaker jack and listen over my big Stereo. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 17:35:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55211 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 01:34:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 01:34:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 01:34:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42964 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Nov 2008 01:34:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2SiYsKQVM1mRvezN_1KZTjtXdjsW0OSGnHY9VHpHozWTj4bI5xD9v3F6QuDaDzaWq0jb9Z1aY2tjNx2C6w3FjNOMZRrzDWccatV7y3xNzwlVdjnYw2fCAS9qBZtct5dcF4NZpYmKo7zW52qDx1GzhwEoAOC4f5EgqvJJDxQHN8oi65IhJI0xiD0BVYoH X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:34:58 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:34:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB13200BACE5C2-D70-7E5@webmail-de06.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <777057.42823.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=gBctehu3kuRYa0pUiz_ABUGb07yNKjU4SpDsPGZd_BuYNg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 What we need is the kind of stations that let people like Wolfman and "Doctor" Brinkley on the air in the first place. Back then, it was the FRC/FCC that wouldn't allow such bold inovative programming, now it's the damn bean counters with their narrow vision controlling the cookie-cutter conglomerate stations. Different offenders, same short-sightedness! What we need is for a few gutsy individuals that aren't afraid of "the book" to get together and buy a bunch of airtime on a few flame throwers. Just for illustration, the two guys that wrote the book "Border Radio" (great reading!) put on a traveling show, to packed venues, that is basically just a re-enactment of the stuff that XERA and the like had in the 30's...it STILL gets an audience today! Crazy ads, rabid preachers, music "not fit for airplay" on anything but an XE...you know the stuff! Maybe I'll live long enough to see just ONE BRAVE SOUL turn of the sat dish, open a real mike, and BE CREATIVE! Yeah, when burros fly... George --- On Wed, 11/12/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 3:54 PM > Juan, > > The problem with AM is the same problem that faces all of > "free" over the air broadcasting.? The oxygen, > i.e. ad revenue, continues to be depleted at an ever > increasing rate.? There are two principal reasons for this.? > One is competion with other media such as cable, satellite, > and Internet for a shrinking amount of advertising dollars.? > The second is severe fragmentation of listenership. > > In the "old days", on could spend 10's of > millions of dollars for a 50 kW clear channel station that > could perhaps cover a major metroplex during the day and > sizeable region at night.? In addition to the upfront cost, > the operating overhead was tremendous.? Today, one can > webcast to the world with minimal investment. > > What AM radio need is ORIGINAL PROGRAMMING that can command > an audience that is not otherwise better served by some > other media.? We have the technology.? The heart and soul of > this medium has always been ENTERTAINMENT.? Somehow that has > been lost as station owners have gone to cheaper and > repetitous programming.? AM radio has had two Golden Eras.? > One was pre-televison when live music, melodramas, and quiz > shows rules the airwaves.? The other was Top 40 Radio.? What > made Top 40 Radio?? Strong on-air personalities (read: > entertainers).? Larry Lujack, Don Imus, Wolfman Jack, etc.? > were the Burns and Allen, Jack Benny, and Bob Hope of their > day.? Let's face it, Talk Radio wasn't and never > will be radio's next Golden Era.? The roots of Talk > Radio aren't in the aforementioned eras but rather in > Goebels, and I don't mean Lonesome George.? Even Nazi > era propaganda radio was more than the endless drone of the > Third Reich talking points. > > The success of Talk Radio was due to it being CHEAP to > produce. > > As I have mentioned many times, radio needs rebirth.? It > can't be an attempt to resurrect some by-gone era whose > time has come and gone.? Todd Storz didn't try to bring > back radio dramas or quiz shows.? Neither can we bring back > The Wolfman or Don Rose, although the former I wish we > could.? We need something that has become ever-increasing > rare and not just in radio.? A new idea. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jotape1960 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 1:38 pm > Subject: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future > > > > > > > HI GANG!!! > > Well, now the things are clear (Obama won) and I hope USA > get in > into a new age of political visions. > > We could discuss about a lot of things about the Obama > victory > but... at last, our problem will remain the same: > > WHAT ABOUT THE Amplitude Modulation PRESENT AND FUTURE!!! > > Regardless of the final system to use (AMS, IBOC, DRM or > another > still unknown) the problem is how to capture the listeners > and how > to keep them over the time. > > In this line, I insist about a whole change of the format. > I vote > for the beautiful music, the golden classical music, the > golden > 1950s, 1960s and 1970s and... a little time to the news and > sports. > > But, that's me. > > HOW TO CHANGE THE MIND OF THE USA BROADCASTERS? > > Somebody could say: But if this guy is from Chile, Why does > he care > about the USA AM radio? > > Simple answer: CHILEAN PEOPLE OFTEN FOLLOWS THE USA CUSTOM, > and I > don't know why. > > So... > > In other words, if there is some POSITIVE change in USA, > then there > will be a change in Chile too. > > I hope some change. Do you? > > Just... crazy ideas from a crazy man. > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Chile, South America, with love > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 17:43:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84495 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 01:43:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 01:43:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.237) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 01:43:18 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n16.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 01:43:17 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.243] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 01:43:17 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp404.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 01:43:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 925988.36377.bm@omp404.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 701 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 01:43:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.202.192 with plain) by smtp114.plus.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 01:43:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HpOWM5UVM1m.vqFPCMJ_U6DyE1RVh7GoTCDrXAfnRH6PzxN25sZn7eVBhWCVJglA9hspQ15QfuRpwPp8BY9cO9X0mDxUCiNdpxWHi5a8RTHk4ZJA_swQ1ekcQout7NizPrgGTYvKKXyXlgttzz.ZQUKRY704Qxpq9fUQrA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <777057.42823.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <777057.42823.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:43:10 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=-D3yAfryU0RwAD9pwr4OcqVMCo_QzmNEcjXYEGaFV1PTIKOxvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 12, 2008, at 7:34 PM, george russell wrote: > Just for illustration, the two guys that wrote the book "Border Radio" This is a fantastic book and I would recommend it to all to read it. Kevin From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Nov 12 17:57:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68867 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 01:57:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 01:57:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.138) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 01:57:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 01:57:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 01:57:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:57:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20081112.154947.2984.1.w6yn@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.138 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.8.112.4 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=B4etcjcXVgTdUjTe9OV-M-8h7o6N_arNOnnYJdJJEfTOHyM X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane It will never happen.... As a 26 year Broadcaster, trust me, the Fairness Doctrine aint gonna=20 happen... Broadcasters and the NAB have pumped too many millions of dollars=20 into Republican hands to..........ummmm.....ooops. Juan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, W6YN Don Milbury =20 wrote: > > AM Jobs in Jeopardy: >=20 > In '87, Journalists Backed Free Speech: >=20 > "The truth is...that there is no `fairness' whatever > in the `fairness' doctrine. On the contrary, it is a > chilling federal attempt to compel some > undefined `balance' of what ideas radio and > television news programs are to include....The > `fairness doctrine' undercuts free, independent, > sound and responsive journalism =97 substituting > governmental dictates. That is deceptive, > dangerous and, in a democracy, repulsive." > =97 Washington Post editorial, June 24, 1987. >=20 > Now: >=20 > ABC, CBS and NBC Provide Zero Coverage of Effort to Control Media=20 Content > and Extinguish Talk Radio >=20 > Blackout of Left's "Fairness" Doctrine Push >=20 > Barack Obama's transition team has tapped former FCC Commissioner=20 Henry > Rivera, a longtime proponent of the so-called "Fairness Doctrine,"=20 to > head the team looking for the man or woman who will soon give=20 Democrats a > 3-to-2 advantage on the Federal Communications Commission. > It's another troubling sign that Democrats are serious about trying=20 to > reinstate the long-defunct FCC regulation, which can more aptly be > described as the "Censorship Doctrine" because of its chilling=20 effect on > free speech. In effect from 1949 to 1987, the Fairness Doctrine was=20 an > obstacle to open discussion of public policy issues on the radio;=20 its > removal in the Reagan years spawned the robust talk radio=20 marketplace of > ideas now enjoyed by millions. >=20 > While talk radio hosts often warned during the campaign that free=20 speech > could be trampled by an all-Democratic majority, the broadcast=20 networks > have failed to react to this dangerous threat to the First=20 Amendment. A > review shows the broadcast networks =97 whose affiliates could also be > regulated =97 have failed to run even a single story mentioning the=20 push > for a new Fairness Doctrine. The most recent mention of the Fairness > Doctrine was on May 30, 2007, when in an interview on CBS's The=20 Early > Show, Al Gore bizarrely called it a "protection" that was removed=20 during > the Reagan years.=20 >=20 > But there has been news to report, as Democrats have been more than > candid about their plans. On Election Day, for example, New York=20 Senator > Charles Schumer justified regulating political speech. "The very=20 same > people who don't want the Fairness Doctrine want the FCC to limit > pornography on the air," Schumer told the Fox News Channel. "You=20 can't > say, `government hands off in one area' to a commercial enterprise,=20 but > you're allowed to intervene in another. That's not consistent." >=20 > In late October, Democratic Senator Jeff Bingaman told a New Mexico=20 radio > station how he "hopes" the Fairness Doctrine returns so radio will=20 be > more to his liking: "For many, many years, we operated under a=20 Fairness > Doctrine in this country. I think the country was well-served. I=20 think > the public discussion was at a higher level and more intelligent in=20 those > days than it has become since." >=20 > Democrats have launched various attempts to control of broadcast=20 content > since the Fairness Doctrine's demise in 1987, but the push has=20 become > more insistent in the past couple of years. After the failure of a > liberal immigration bill in 2007, Senator Dianne Feinstein told Fox=20 News > Sunday that she was "looking at" a new Fairness Doctrine=20 because "talk > radio tends to be one-sided....It's explosive. It pushes people to,=20 I > think, extreme views without a lot of information." As with Schumer=20 and > Bingaman recently, none of the broadcast networks thought=20 Feinstein's > threats worth reporting. >=20 > Journalists aren't known for turning a blind eye to free speech=20 issues. > In 2003, ABC, CBS and NBC ran 33 stories on criticism of the Dixie=20 Chicks > for speaking out against President Bush and the Iraq war. ABC's Jim > Wooten darkly warned: "All this has reminded some of the McCarthy=20 Era's > blacklists that barred those even accused of communist sympathies=20 for > working in films or on television." >=20 > When Democrats first pushed to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine in > 1987-88, both the New York Times and Washington Post (see box) came=20 down > strongly on the side of free speech. Now that the Left is gearing=20 up to > suffocate talk radio, the media's First Amendment solidarity seems=20 to > have been eclipsed by their loyalty to the would-be censors of the > Democratic Party. =97 Rich Noyes > http://www.mediaresearch.org >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Nov 12 18:02:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32077 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 02:02:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 02:02:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.133) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 02:02:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 02:02:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 02:02:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 02:02:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.8.112.4 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=UfXY6V4g4nliVALI5kxYDk_IhDy4TrsTgWrQ2k4RlQ3HUGs X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > >=20 > On Nov 12, 2008, at 5:49 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: >=20 > > AM Jobs in Jeopardy: >=20 > I should have known. I thought you were going to say something about=20=20 > how all the media megacorps were laying off radio workers left and=20=20 > right like they are. >=20 > Kevin > Republican Right wing radio blowhards hate America..... They are already hoping the resession gets worse to make Obama look=20 bad....They hate America like the Terrorists do !!!!!!! Hannity, Limbaugh, Reagan, Savage and the rest HATE America ! Juan From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 18:08:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40227 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 02:08:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 02:08:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.221) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 02:08:11 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 02:08:11 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.71] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 02:08:11 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 02:08:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 272272.70534.bm@omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 30187 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 02:08:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.202.192 with plain) by smtp124.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 02:08:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: a_E8CsoVM1nUW_fWtnanBj3h.Ik2BKbOOHHWesrnpAamRRxU1lU6qN9AZ57ozTzWvMsB_2.xqkZ6mqEl9YAOHyueiFQoEwbNUAUVEFS1B82OJmGPLworkDtoRYlxQsmUPDNOY2TjYiowkXbSc4LwLWW1i5LaS8wSw326tg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1A589C38-0DE8-4B06-879C-A0BF179D7C00@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:08:09 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Ff56_EcgQ4HkTMVd1ApOAuauBHyMpg4oK_TfztgaKTvgX1TvHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 12, 2008, at 8:02 PM, Juan Gualda wrote: > They are already hoping the resession gets worse to make Obama look > bad....They hate America like the Terrorists do !!!!!!! What, the depression caused by the Republicans and Bush and Cheney? > Hannity, Limbaugh, Reagan, Savage and the rest HATE America ! Of this, I have no doubt. Republicans are craven cowards and are running their lives in fear. Watch them and you will see how fear controls almost everything they do. Don't take my word, just watch what they do and how they live. Kevin From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 12 19:08:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18888 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 03:08:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 03:08:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.59) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 03:08:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38755 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Nov 2008 03:08:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _JHhFZUVM1lWcdl4nQzOJNNoklpKYDPMDq3vmYVlCeja4scM.fGw.igAghblomrscVFmt9PpmA6o6kPh4mNbPqeyIPy2GQnlP.yKlyXVfZG4up0JJuX6zXCzdtWjH6YZEY3Wa3XxLmn2KPnyt5guGplvcf3CZZck2xXBmCtlI0fyZpA- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 03:08:19 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 03:08:19 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB13200BACE5C2-D70-7E5@webmail-de06.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <215330.37849.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=unQ3tsByQ2cjOg5cWjBLXtlu_9xCr_p1ZSxEDhmO01yNY7kMau7A X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've long said this but yes you are right but also AM needs to have top gra= de sound with a good audio chain and perhaps stereo to do music justice.=A0= Even with the best technology AM doesn't come close to the clarity of othe= r modern sources.=A0 Now I do take exception with satellite because if you = ask me it doesn't really sound any better than CQUAM AM stereo.=A0 The bit = rate is way too low and it has no high end.=A0 You might capture a good aud= ience 35 and up but 30 and below you just wont capture people who are used = to Stereo sound as a standard and used to clean audio with some high end.= =A0 Ipods, CDs, etc are where it's at.=A0 It's not even with FM these days.= =A0 The younger generation doesn't want to hear what someone wants to play = for them, they want to hear what they want to when they want to.=A0 It's a = totally different generation and they are used to a different way and will = not change.=A0 As much as I love AM it will increasingly be hard for it to survive because many of the talk shows have moved over to FM.=A0 Our bigge= st one here WORD has moved over to FM.=A0 They are still simulcast on 950 a= nd 1330 AM but for how long I don't know.=A0 Their coverage is great with t= he FM station or so I hear so why would they want to continue even fooling = with the AM side.=A0 The only thing that might save AM and I hate to admit = this but it might be the HD thing.=A0 If they could get it to work properly= without interference, have stereo sound, and a high bit rate the audio cou= ld be quite good with modern equipment.=A0 Yes I know that yester year equi= pment could do the same thing but AM has always has those frequency respons= e restrictions by the FCC so thats a dead horse there.=A0 Maybe it will hav= e a revival with HD but I'm wondering if radio as we know it will survive, = even FM.=A0 People are so "on the demand" now with their music and informat= ion.=A0 Who is going to wait till the news comes on when they can type in C= NN or MSNBC and find it right then?=A0 Localism is dead and has been dead for= ever on radio.=A0 They'd definitely have to revisit localism to even think = of reviviing radio as we know it.=A0 They need good programmers too, people= who know that philadelphia freedom by Elton John just DOES NOT go with Bab= y I need your lovin by the Four Tops.=A0 Nadda, nope no way!!!! It doesn't = go together and anyone with any sense knows that yet you have so called old= ies stations doing shit like that all the time.=A0 Oldies to me is what the= y call golden oldies say 1956-1973 at most.=A0 When you start getting into = the post 1973 era you start approaching that disco crap and that isnt oldie= s in my book or most peoples book who listens to these stations.=A0 The for= mula for success is this.=A0 Good Music+Good DJ Talent+Localism+Great Audio= , and a Great Programmer=3DSuccess in my book.=A0 Youd also need to throw g= ood coverage area in there.=A0 Put all those together and you have a fighti= ng chance.=A0 Thats just my opion and I don't work in radio, only have a degr= ee in broadcasting! =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Wed, 11/12/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 3:54 PM Juan, The problem with AM is the same problem that faces all of "free" over the a= ir broadcasting. ? The oxygen, i.e. ad revenue, continues to be depleted at= an ever increasing rate.? There are two principal reasons for this.? One i= s competion with other media such as cable, satellite, and Internet for a s= hrinking amount of advertising dollars.? The second is severe fragmentation= of listenership. In the "old days", on could spend 10's of millions of dollars for a 50 kW c= lear channel station that could perhaps cover a major metroplex during the = day and sizeable region at night.? In addition to the upfront cost, the ope= rating overhead was tremendous.? Today, one can webcast to the world with m= inimal investment. What AM radio need is ORIGINAL PROGRAMMING that can command an audience tha= t is not otherwise better served by some other media.? We have the technolo= gy.? The heart and soul of this medium has always been ENTERTAINMENT. ? Som= ehow that has been lost as station owners have gone to cheaper and repetito= us programming. ? AM radio has had two Golden Eras.? One was pre-televison = when live music, melodramas, and quiz shows rules the airwaves.? The other = was Top 40 Radio.? What made Top 40 Radio?? Strong on-air personalities (re= ad: entertainers) .? Larry Lujack, Don Imus, Wolfman Jack, etc.? were the B= urns and Allen, Jack Benny, and Bob Hope of their day.? Let's face it, Talk= Radio wasn't and never will be radio's next Golden Era.? The roots of Talk= Radio aren't in the aforementioned eras but rather in Goebels, and I don't= mean Lonesome George.? Even Nazi era propaganda radio was more than the en= dless drone of the Third Reich talking points. The success of Talk Radio was due to it being CHEAP to produce. As I have mentioned many times, radio needs rebirth.? It can't be an attemp= t to resurrect some by-gone era whose time has come and gone.? Todd Storz d= idn't try to bring back radio dramas or quiz shows.? Neither can we bring b= ack The Wolfman or Don Rose, although the former I wish we could.? We need = something that has become ever-increasing rare and not just in radio.? A ne= w idea. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 1:38 pm Subject: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future HI GANG!!! Well, now the things are clear (Obama won) and I hope USA get in=20 into a new age of political visions. We could discuss about a lot of things about the Obama victory=20 but... at last, our problem will remain the same: WHAT ABOUT THE Amplitude Modulation PRESENT AND FUTURE!!! Regardless of the final system to use (AMS, IBOC, DRM or another=20 still unknown) the problem is how to capture the listeners and how=20 to keep them over the time. In this line, I insist about a whole change of the format. I vote=20 for the beautiful music, the golden classical music, the golden=20 1950s, 1960s and 1970s and... a little time to the news and sports. But, that's me. HOW TO CHANGE THE MIND OF THE USA BROADCASTERS? Somebody could say: But if this guy is from Chile, Why does he care=20 about the USA AM radio? Simple answer: CHILEAN PEOPLE OFTEN FOLLOWS THE USA CUSTOM, and I=20 don't know why. So... In other words, if there is some POSITIVE change in USA, then there=20 will be a change in Chile too. I hope some change. Do you? Just... crazy ideas from a crazy man. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Chile, South America, with love [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 12 19:15:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87257 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 03:15:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 03:15:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.59) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 03:15:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42641 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Nov 2008 03:15:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6CEGyy0VM1lHXG.FcIvEl6lTPqwfPGdk068pDebhzw.1MDyDSqb3EIRhcl54z7q.V1kKpqu2d_YKPnemIAmDmmveAGq9amJFeNx8Euk2lh4rGs7Ahhk6y1AVrO0wvsEY9HjAXnAel3JagcVzqRUju.hwUZjqIVERyQ.lAYsQVB6ZOYE- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 03:15:31 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 03:15:31 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <656096.42192.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=qkz85fWDls3T5EH9BFh-s3jhC-t9fQWaMhNEkArrYaRY5ffDKp5U X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh i've never liked any of them.=A0 Of course it's entertaining to listen t= o some of the BS the spout.=A0 Savage is a hoot to listen to when he starts= getting all psycho and going off on people.=A0 I once heard him talking to= some guy on the phone and some woman in the background said something he d= idnt like and he said "you tell her I said she was a bitch"!=A0 I'll never = forget that, thats been years ago but he's been in trouble several times fo= r going off on people.=A0 Thats why he lost that gig with I believe MSNBC h= e once was going to have.=A0 Might have been FOX, I can't remember but he w= as going to have some TV gig and blew it.=A0 It is amazing the amount of fe= ar you hear in their voices these days.=A0 They've already called Obama eve= rything but the word that begins with N.=A0 You shoulda heard Mike Gallaghe= r today, he kept going on about Obama being black "yeah he's black thats wh= at it is blah blah blah"=A0 and so on.=A0 I figure its only a matter of tim= e before he slips up and actually uses the word he wants to say. =A0 -Kevin --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Juan Gualda wrote: From: Juan Gualda Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 9:02 PM --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > >=20 > On Nov 12, 2008, at 5:49 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: >=20 > > AM Jobs in Jeopardy: >=20 > I should have known. I thought you were going to say something about=20 > how all the media megacorps were laying off radio workers left and=20 > right like they are. >=20 > Kevin > Republican Right wing radio blowhards hate America..... They are already hoping the resession gets worse to make Obama look=20 bad....They hate America like the Terrorists do !!!!!!! Hannity, Limbaugh, Reagan, Savage and the rest HATE America ! Juan =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From keith1226@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 22:25:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8247 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 06:25:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 06:25:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.147) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 06:25:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14896 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Nov 2008 06:25:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Tb0FmTYVM1noSSe4sx5ME9ULf9_X_2r8ay9GwxiUMg6mrxhKNXBxjqGfHvXdPwWF5wTrLx57h6IlJyL4Pf5927_lhtqdYfcra2kkF1YQHBJ8YG_ZVU9JuHJyby2Wy9JM8dJk3FlH9OfEBAcxXjwvopk7NPhO4VyGpxtksfD.m.HYKUaYHDm.nASAev8- X-Received: from [76.121.22.52] by web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:25:12 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:25:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081112.154947.2984.1.w6yn@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <570975.13511.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Reply-To: keith1226@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=wwujHIcYn6o4u64IU8nW2MTDebnAWfTfWJl9F8nTlf91QUb- X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 The reason the networks aren't covering an Obama admin. push to reinstate t= he Fairness Doctrine is because it doesn't exist. It's a non-story.=20 Keith B.=20 --- On Wed, 11/12/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 3:49 PM > AM Jobs in Jeopardy: >=20 > In =E2=80=9987, Journalists Backed Free Speech: >=20 > =E2=80=9CThe truth is...that there is no =E2=80=98fairness=E2=80=99 whate= ver > in the =E2=80=98fairness=E2=80=99 doctrine. On the contrary, it is a > chilling federal attempt to compel some > undefined =E2=80=98balance=E2=80=99 of what ideas radio and > television news programs are to include....The > =E2=80=98fairness doctrine=E2=80=99 undercuts free, independent, > sound and responsive journalism =E2=80=94 substituting > governmental dictates. That is deceptive, > dangerous and, in a democracy, repulsive.=E2=80=9D > =E2=80=94 Washington Post editorial, June 24, 1987. >=20 > Now: >=20 > ABC, CBS and NBC Provide Zero Coverage of Effort to Control > Media Content > and Extinguish Talk Radio >=20 > Blackout of Left=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9CFairness=E2=80=9D Doctrine Push >=20 > Barack Obama=E2=80=99s transition team has tapped former FCC > Commissioner Henry > Rivera, a longtime proponent of the so-called =E2=80=9CFairness > Doctrine,=E2=80=9D to > head the team looking for the man or woman who will soon > give Democrats a > 3-to-2 advantage on the Federal Communications Commission. > It=E2=80=99s another troubling sign that Democrats are serious > about trying to > reinstate the long-defunct FCC regulation, which can more > aptly be > described as the =E2=80=9CCensorship Doctrine=E2=80=9D because of its > chilling effect on > free speech. In effect from 1949 to 1987, the Fairness > Doctrine was an > obstacle to open discussion of public policy issues on the > radio; its > removal in the Reagan years spawned the robust talk radio > marketplace of > ideas now enjoyed by millions. >=20 > While talk radio hosts often warned during the campaign > that free speech > could be trampled by an all-Democratic majority, the > broadcast networks > have failed to react to this dangerous threat to the First > Amendment. A > review shows the broadcast networks =E2=80=94 whose affiliates > could also be > regulated =E2=80=94 have failed to run even a single story > mentioning the push > for a new Fairness Doctrine. The most recent mention of the > Fairness > Doctrine was on May 30, 2007, when in an interview on > CBS=E2=80=99s The Early > Show, Al Gore bizarrely called it a =E2=80=9Cprotection=E2=80=9D that > was removed during > the Reagan years.=20 >=20 > But there has been news to report, as Democrats have been > more than > candid about their plans. On Election Day, for example, New > York Senator > Charles Schumer justified regulating political speech. > =E2=80=9CThe very same > people who don=E2=80=99t want the Fairness Doctrine want the FCC > to limit > pornography on the air,=E2=80=9D Schumer told the Fox News > Channel. =E2=80=9CYou can=E2=80=99t > say, =E2=80=98government hands off in one area=E2=80=99 to a commercial > enterprise, but > you=E2=80=99re allowed to intervene in another. That=E2=80=99s not > consistent.=E2=80=9D >=20 > In late October, Democratic Senator Jeff Bingaman told a > New Mexico radio > station how he =E2=80=9Chopes=E2=80=9D the Fairness Doctrine returns so > radio will be > more to his liking: =E2=80=9CFor many, many years, we operated > under a Fairness > Doctrine in this country. I think the country was > well-served. I think > the public discussion was at a higher level and more > intelligent in those > days than it has become since.=E2=80=9D >=20 > Democrats have launched various attempts to control of > broadcast content > since the Fairness Doctrine=E2=80=99s demise in 1987, but the > push has become > more insistent in the past couple of years. After the > failure of a > liberal immigration bill in 2007, Senator Dianne Feinstein > told Fox News > Sunday that she was =E2=80=9Clooking at=E2=80=9D a new Fairness > Doctrine because =E2=80=9Ctalk > radio tends to be one-sided....It's explosive. It > pushes people to, I > think, extreme views without a lot of information.=E2=80=9D As > with Schumer and > Bingaman recently, none of the broadcast networks thought > Feinstein=E2=80=99s > threats worth reporting. >=20 > Journalists aren=E2=80=99t known for turning a blind eye to free > speech issues. > In 2003, ABC, CBS and NBC ran 33 stories on criticism of > the Dixie Chicks > for speaking out against President Bush and the Iraq war. > ABC=E2=80=99s Jim > Wooten darkly warned: =E2=80=9CAll this has reminded some of the > McCarthy Era's > blacklists that barred those even accused of communist > sympathies for > working in films or on television.=E2=80=9D >=20 > When Democrats first pushed to reinstate the Fairness > Doctrine in > 1987-88, both the New York Times and Washington Post (see > box) came down > strongly on the side of free speech. Now that the Left is > gearing up to > suffocate talk radio, the media=E2=80=99s First Amendment > solidarity seems to > have been eclipsed by their loyalty to the would-be censors > of the > Democratic Party. =E2=80=94 Rich Noyes > http://www.mediaresearch.org >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 From keith1226@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 22:25:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72685 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 06:25:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 06:25:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.143) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 06:25:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 55363 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Nov 2008 06:25:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WQGzzNcVM1nN_vqAjUpKQKSW2IkCAR2CmoLvnYWc4Vr8NT8.YcOD.gkDWC_mxTeeN5fxRPMKlZN10EnwX92JyRnSdZM02VLFoJlxlFQ_fUtumThBXw4I2Im7oTdITnjxjqHUnU0yVwv1rOAlKGGYwpd2T30jozJ9ZAWj18zSTCCeag7JDHt1KMjLrYo- X-Received: from [76.121.22.52] by web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:25:56 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:25:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081112.154947.2984.1.w6yn@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <364586.54548.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Reply-To: keith1226@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=N_OT0C2GQqxPRQGDU3-vqmAudKhpjzmZ2sBPL6QFr-cW_m4K X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 The reason the networks aren't covering an Obama admin. push to reinstate t= he Fairness Doctrine is because it doesn't exist. It's a non-story.=20 Keith B.=20 --- On Wed, 11/12/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 3:49 PM > AM Jobs in Jeopardy: >=20 > In =E2=80=9987, Journalists Backed Free Speech: >=20 > =E2=80=9CThe truth is...that there is no =E2=80=98fairness=E2=80=99 whate= ver > in the =E2=80=98fairness=E2=80=99 doctrine. On the contrary, it is a > chilling federal attempt to compel some > undefined =E2=80=98balance=E2=80=99 of what ideas radio and > television news programs are to include....The > =E2=80=98fairness doctrine=E2=80=99 undercuts free, independent, > sound and responsive journalism =E2=80=94 substituting > governmental dictates. That is deceptive, > dangerous and, in a democracy, repulsive.=E2=80=9D > =E2=80=94 Washington Post editorial, June 24, 1987. >=20 > Now: >=20 > ABC, CBS and NBC Provide Zero Coverage of Effort to Control > Media Content > and Extinguish Talk Radio >=20 > Blackout of Left=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9CFairness=E2=80=9D Doctrine Push >=20 > Barack Obama=E2=80=99s transition team has tapped former FCC > Commissioner Henry > Rivera, a longtime proponent of the so-called =E2=80=9CFairness > Doctrine,=E2=80=9D to > head the team looking for the man or woman who will soon > give Democrats a > 3-to-2 advantage on the Federal Communications Commission. > It=E2=80=99s another troubling sign that Democrats are serious > about trying to > reinstate the long-defunct FCC regulation, which can more > aptly be > described as the =E2=80=9CCensorship Doctrine=E2=80=9D because of its > chilling effect on > free speech. In effect from 1949 to 1987, the Fairness > Doctrine was an > obstacle to open discussion of public policy issues on the > radio; its > removal in the Reagan years spawned the robust talk radio > marketplace of > ideas now enjoyed by millions. >=20 > While talk radio hosts often warned during the campaign > that free speech > could be trampled by an all-Democratic majority, the > broadcast networks > have failed to react to this dangerous threat to the First > Amendment. A > review shows the broadcast networks =E2=80=94 whose affiliates > could also be > regulated =E2=80=94 have failed to run even a single story > mentioning the push > for a new Fairness Doctrine. The most recent mention of the > Fairness > Doctrine was on May 30, 2007, when in an interview on > CBS=E2=80=99s The Early > Show, Al Gore bizarrely called it a =E2=80=9Cprotection=E2=80=9D that > was removed during > the Reagan years.=20 >=20 > But there has been news to report, as Democrats have been > more than > candid about their plans. On Election Day, for example, New > York Senator > Charles Schumer justified regulating political speech. > =E2=80=9CThe very same > people who don=E2=80=99t want the Fairness Doctrine want the FCC > to limit > pornography on the air,=E2=80=9D Schumer told the Fox News > Channel. =E2=80=9CYou can=E2=80=99t > say, =E2=80=98government hands off in one area=E2=80=99 to a commercial > enterprise, but > you=E2=80=99re allowed to intervene in another. That=E2=80=99s not > consistent.=E2=80=9D >=20 > In late October, Democratic Senator Jeff Bingaman told a > New Mexico radio > station how he =E2=80=9Chopes=E2=80=9D the Fairness Doctrine returns so > radio will be > more to his liking: =E2=80=9CFor many, many years, we operated > under a Fairness > Doctrine in this country. I think the country was > well-served. I think > the public discussion was at a higher level and more > intelligent in those > days than it has become since.=E2=80=9D >=20 > Democrats have launched various attempts to control of > broadcast content > since the Fairness Doctrine=E2=80=99s demise in 1987, but the > push has become > more insistent in the past couple of years. After the > failure of a > liberal immigration bill in 2007, Senator Dianne Feinstein > told Fox News > Sunday that she was =E2=80=9Clooking at=E2=80=9D a new Fairness > Doctrine because =E2=80=9Ctalk > radio tends to be one-sided....It's explosive. It > pushes people to, I > think, extreme views without a lot of information.=E2=80=9D As > with Schumer and > Bingaman recently, none of the broadcast networks thought > Feinstein=E2=80=99s > threats worth reporting. >=20 > Journalists aren=E2=80=99t known for turning a blind eye to free > speech issues. > In 2003, ABC, CBS and NBC ran 33 stories on criticism of > the Dixie Chicks > for speaking out against President Bush and the Iraq war. > ABC=E2=80=99s Jim > Wooten darkly warned: =E2=80=9CAll this has reminded some of the > McCarthy Era's > blacklists that barred those even accused of communist > sympathies for > working in films or on television.=E2=80=9D >=20 > When Democrats first pushed to reinstate the Fairness > Doctrine in > 1987-88, both the New York Times and Washington Post (see > box) came down > strongly on the side of free speech. Now that the Left is > gearing up to > suffocate talk radio, the media=E2=80=99s First Amendment > solidarity seems to > have been eclipsed by their loyalty to the would-be censors > of the > Democratic Party. =E2=80=94 Rich Noyes > http://www.mediaresearch.org >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 07:06:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81100 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 15:06:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 15:06:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com) (216.252.100.57) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 15:06:08 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 15:06:08 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.254] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 15:06:08 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 15:06:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 553501.63101.bm@omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 76526 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 15:06:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.202.192 with plain) by smtp113.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 15:06:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YB3eZGAVM1msGUv1utK5TC.8fcjQDbULOhFz4JRhC9r7dMPSj2yYZiikpiJSDpNUhO39kodUp8MMyobsVGTLdKSwIRJ63idFuQN8J1QU1LN9cJvwzjJ31qsxQ_Vy6_Ka5w-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <570975.13511.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <570975.13511.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8D5A06D4-72A3-4E71-A95B-F93253FC25C7@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:06:07 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 216.252.100.57 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=tOThS8qRh_ulmS4_h2B5HyagyVgoMc4_-LMkxO8mmPRYjQoL2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 13, 2008, at 12:25 AM, keith beesley wrote: > The reason the networks aren't covering an Obama admin. push to > reinstate the Fairness Doctrine is because it doesn't exist. It's a > non-story. Thank you for telling the truth about this. Its just another fear driven response to the fear mongering right wing talkers. Republicans really are fearful people and driven totally by fear. Read the stuff they send out. You will see what I mean over time. Its some kind of thing in their psychological makeup. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Nov 13 07:19:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52397 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 15:19:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 15:19:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 15:19:34 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so509514qwk.58 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:19:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.215.13.6 with SMTP id q6mr11174296qai.37.1226589574745; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:19:34 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm4240708qwk.1.2008.11.13.07.19.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:19:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <8066B00E-E1AE-4620-B302-42FAEFF0EB57@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <656096.42192.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:19:17 -0500 References: <656096.42192.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=dXnSSmVYL9U0jeRh4TgdnQA5tH7eJ9KkpTxnqiTjNYq8LhKrrUO4c56nDKZvqw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Nov 12, 2008, at 10:15 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > You shoulda heard Mike Gallagher today, Remember, Gallagher used to be a Liberal. When he first came to Greenville, he loaded up the WFBC Van with a bunch of protesters and they all went out to the Sumter National Forest and chained themselves to trees that were going to be logged. Also Rush's BOSS is Phil Donahue! Possum From w6yn@juno.com Thu Nov 13 07:24:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82891 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 15:24:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 15:24:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 15:24:38 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABET2TXWAQR7M2J for (sender ); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:24:36 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD0TzE4XGaVyckecnNmhqIEU= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NZVWAW6G; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:24:09 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.20] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:24:02 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:24:02 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081113.072402.16100.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 26:13:1528072635 X-MAIL-INFO:460475b175b10c690c40000c81002084650180c029c0a971e480e5748dadbde9c1c069040d6109c0618140714004006111a9354d312d40ed35249184c441c4419db99de4859d6585ad353da4f9d1ddd10544b5f9d4d529a19434e5d1b984647d15d17d65e444e484857d1905a0c9d9304d354df53120f531b4353179c9a0f00169398160bd612d70e90d0ca12d816111a5ed0ced458db5e0a00c818de179f579ed3d8db5b0f909fd31b5793d99d1156d79a1d1d450f434c56dc5e5a584c410c19599d555e4c984c9b9195510ad29510085c0ad801010e4bd15bd8080a40c80e57504d92161810c81b0f0b125 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=5RokBDjlprH4qfHTcLwtw2tJ5g_qUp5henNh91DsWA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn You have a firm grip on reality.=20 I can't disagree with any of your comments. Good thinking! Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: I've long said this but yes you are right but also AM needs to have top gra= de sound with a good audio chain and perhaps stereo to do music justice.=A0= Even with the best technology AM doesn't come close to the clarity of othe= r modern sources.=A0 Now I do take exception with satellite because if you = ask me it doesn't really sound any better than CQUAM AM stereo.=A0 The bit = rate is way too low and it has no high end.=A0 You might capture a good aud= ience 35 and up but 30 and below you just wont capture people who are used = to Stereo sound as a standard and used to clean audio with some high end.= =A0 Ipods, CDs, etc are where it's at.=A0 It's not even with FM these days.= =A0 The younger generation doesn't want to hear what someone wants to play = for them, they want to hear what they want to when they want to.=A0 It's a = totally different generation and they are used to a different way and will = not change.=A0 As much as I love AM it will increasingly be hard for it to survive because many of the talk shows have moved over to FM.=A0 Our bigge= st one here WORD has moved over to FM.=A0 They are still simulcast on 950 a= nd 1330 AM but for how long I don't know.=A0 Their coverage is great with t= he FM station or so I hear so why would they want to continue even fooling = with the AM side.=A0 The only thing that might save AM and I hate to admit = this but it might be the HD thing.=A0 If they could get it to work properly= without interference, have stereo sound, and a high bit rate the audio cou= ld be quite good with modern equipment.=A0 Yes I know that yester year equi= pment could do the same thing but AM has always has those frequency respons= e restrictions by the FCC so thats a dead horse there.=A0 Maybe it will hav= e a revival with HD but I'm wondering if radio as we know it will survive, = even FM.=A0 People are so "on the demand" now with their music and informat= ion.=A0 Who is going to wait till the news comes on when they can type in C= NN or MSNBC and find it right then?=A0 Localism is dead and has been dead for= ever on radio.=A0 They'd definitely have to revisit localism to even think = of reviviing radio as we know it.=A0 They need good programmers too, people= who know that philadelphia freedom by Elton John just DOES NOT go with Bab= y I need your lovin by the Four Tops.=A0 Nadda, nope no way!!!! It doesn't = go together and anyone with any sense knows that yet you have so called old= ies stations doing shit like that all the time.=A0 Oldies to me is what the= y call golden oldies say 1956-1973 at most.=A0 When you start getting into = the post 1973 era you start approaching that disco crap and that isnt oldie= s in my book or most peoples book who listens to these stations.=A0 The for= mula for success is this.=A0 Good Music+Good DJ Talent+Localism+Great Audio= , and a Great Programmer=3DSuccess in my book.=A0 Youd also need to throw g= ood coverage area in there.=A0 Put all those together and you have a fighti= ng chance.=A0 Thats just my opion and I don't work in radio, only have a degr= ee in broadcasting! =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Wed, 11/12/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 3:54 PM Juan, The problem with AM is the same problem that faces all of "free" over the a= ir broadcasting. ? The oxygen, i.e. ad revenue, continues to be depleted at= an ever increasing rate.? There are two principal reasons for this.? One i= s competion with other media such as cable, satellite, and Internet for a s= hrinking amount of advertising dollars.? The second is severe fragmentation= of listenership. In the "old days", on could spend 10's of millions of dollars for a 50 kW c= lear channel station that could perhaps cover a major metroplex during the = day and sizeable region at night.? In addition to the upfront cost, the ope= rating overhead was tremendous.? Today, one can webcast to the world with m= inimal investment. What AM radio need is ORIGINAL PROGRAMMING that can command an audience tha= t is not otherwise better served by some other media.? We have the technolo= gy.? The heart and soul of this medium has always been ENTERTAINMENT. ? Som= ehow that has been lost as station owners have gone to cheaper and repetito= us programming. ? AM radio has had two Golden Eras.? One was pre-televison = when live music, melodramas, and quiz shows rules the airwaves.? The other = was Top 40 Radio.? What made Top 40 Radio?? Strong on-air personalities (re= ad: entertainers) .? Larry Lujack, Don Imus, Wolfman Jack, etc.? were the B= urns and Allen, Jack Benny, and Bob Hope of their day.? Let's face it, Talk= Radio wasn't and never will be radio's next Golden Era.? The roots of Talk= Radio aren't in the aforementioned eras but rather in Goebels, and I don't= mean Lonesome George.? Even Nazi era propaganda radio was more than the en= dless drone of the Third Reich talking points. The success of Talk Radio was due to it being CHEAP to produce. As I have mentioned many times, radio needs rebirth.? It can't be an attemp= t to resurrect some by-gone era whose time has come and gone.? Todd Storz d= idn't try to bring back radio dramas or quiz shows.? Neither can we bring b= ack The Wolfman or Don Rose, although the former I wish we could.? We need = something that has become ever-increasing rare and not just in radio.? A ne= w idea. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 1:38 pm Subject: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future HI GANG!!! Well, now the things are clear (Obama won) and I hope USA get in=20 into a new age of political visions. We could discuss about a lot of things about the Obama victory=20 but... at last, our problem will remain the same: WHAT ABOUT THE Amplitude Modulation PRESENT AND FUTURE!!! Regardless of the final system to use (AMS, IBOC, DRM or another=20 still unknown) the problem is how to capture the listeners and how=20 to keep them over the time. In this line, I insist about a whole change of the format. I vote=20 for the beautiful music, the golden classical music, the golden=20 1950s, 1960s and 1970s and... a little time to the news and sports. But, that's me. HOW TO CHANGE THE MIND OF THE USA BROADCASTERS? Somebody could say: But if this guy is from Chile, Why does he care=20 about the USA AM radio? Simple answer: CHILEAN PEOPLE OFTEN FOLLOWS THE USA CUSTOM, and I=20 don't know why. So... In other words, if there is some POSITIVE change in USA, then there=20 will be a change in Chile too. I hope some change. Do you? Just... crazy ideas from a crazy man. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Chile, South America, with love [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From w6yn@juno.com Thu Nov 13 07:39:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26638 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 15:39:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 15:39:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 15:39:57 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABET2UUHAGY2T6A for (sender ); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:39:51 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD3XLhZwWEjmFzdV4qHCgt4s= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NZVW7FWS; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:39:44 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.20] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:39:00 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:39:00 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081113.073900.16100.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 16:8:1794508358 X-MAIL-INFO:2c89698c698c091509250d09ac0dd5755cf838c961c9e94dd138b57119dc915965c915899cc529c9c5ac254d25890dc56ce9b1ec451c25e5b11d8d7531f531f5110511d1a8115ca8dcb12da53cb8f9b8d8ed013c819961413d85b5b80575287cf1b87c5cd1edd175a87ca9d89895c155ecb1ec7845d57845fcb14500959868f8156dac4891c51cbd599c09411cacc56c2ce509e5cc1901c89809ac1921007800e52d19010c3c29ad4501002de1b8f1350041b88149cd85b935b9b52c753118657de199bcd195759505a9bc18dc61dd0da8c9dc381818d191f1913838a50938b56989c15dc5ac09ac0c688ca1 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=MEyTSBTNzPvZXSeMz4_z4RSNy-L6p20J2-YedLArYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Surprisingly, the N word is being widely used by Obama's supporters as his = positions are moving to the center of the political spectrum.=20 Savage (Michael Wiener) is hard to take. He lost his MSNBC show with an ins= ensitive remark to a homosexual caller. TV is protective of gender choices = for some reason. Don -- clemskonbloke wrote: Oh i've never liked any of them.=A0 Of course it's entertaining to listen t= o some of the BS the spout.=A0 Savage is a hoot to listen to when he starts= getting all psycho and going off on people.=A0 I once heard him talking to= some guy on the phone and some woman in the background said something he d= idnt like and he said "you tell her I said she was a bitch"!=A0 I'll never = forget that, thats been years ago but he's been in trouble several times fo= r going off on people.=A0 Thats why he lost that gig with I believe MSNBC h= e once was going to have.=A0 Might have been FOX, I can't remember but he w= as going to have some TV gig and blew it.=A0 It is amazing the amount of fe= ar you hear in their voices these days.=A0 They've already called Obama eve= rything but the word that begins with N.=A0 You shoulda heard Mike Gallaghe= r today, he kept going on about Obama being black "yeah he's black thats wh= at it is blah blah blah"=A0 and so on.=A0 I figure its only a matter of tim= e before he slips up and actually uses the word he wants to say. =A0 -Kevin --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Juan Gualda wrote: From: Juan Gualda Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 9:02 PM --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > >=20 > On Nov 12, 2008, at 5:49 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: >=20 > > AM Jobs in Jeopardy: >=20 > I should have known. I thought you were going to say something about=20 > how all the media megacorps were laying off radio workers left and=20 > right like they are. >=20 > Kevin > Republican Right wing radio blowhards hate America..... They are already hoping the resession gets worse to make Obama look=20 bad....They hate America like the Terrorists do !!!!!!! Hannity, Limbaugh, Reagan, Savage and the rest HATE America ! Juan =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 12:38:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87949 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 20:38:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 20:38:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.222) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 20:38:37 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n13.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 20:38:37 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.252] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 20:38:37 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp413.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 20:38:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 312681.55081.bm@omp413.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 67982 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 20:38:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.202.192 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 20:38:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: e7que6AVM1mg9e8WU79_gsB_0aEWPIOfQ.xZLLhcFtcItbwOsFYdUhIVTgx7ajxoeejhGaD8hyUI6en7BBxK9xiudXdVFWb2Uvhyf6k0j35_QkcEgyb8EDQveiGgxx0CyuW6CI8TT..Tu9fWFnziNBOUbzknAVowWMrLvw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081113.073900.16100.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> References: <20081113.073900.16100.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:38:36 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=MBqVD90BdYASy28dr2Lz9fPV8ToFCbcP0nAyEgbaqVjjrsAndQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Why is he called black when what he is would be called a mulatto? Kevin On Nov 13, 2008, at 3:39 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Surprisingly, the N word is being widely used by Obama's supporters > as his positions are moving to the center of the political spectrum. From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Nov 13 13:34:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1662 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 21:34:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 21:34:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 21:34:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d06.444b3367 (37568) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:34:50 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB045-5bbb491c9d7092; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:34:49 -0500 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MB17 (webmail-mb17.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.165]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA032-5bbb491c9d7092; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:34:40 -0500 References: <20081113.073900.16100.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:34:40 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 74.194.159.26 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD X-Received: from 74.194.159.26 by WEBMAIL-MB17.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.165) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:34:40 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB13EEC4D729C3-D90-B3C@WEBMAIL-MB17.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=eaSNoTEYdfTS-hCa89wTRBjDe4e-BRWncV6tPD1ai5cTlv8ADqBty0DbQunRLRb3 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not being African American myself, I am not certain of the ediquette, but I believe the term you use is considered inappropriate or offensive.? I believe the science of race is something best left to the?Nazi era.? When it came to race, they knew how to slice the salami pretty thin in terms of classifying people. To be accurate, President Elect Obama is no more black than I am white.? My Ebonite bowling black is black, which Mr. Obama clearly is not.? The sheets worn by Klansman are white, which I clearly am not. Having flown med-evac during Vietnam, I found everyone is the same color on the inside.? Trust me. Mike -----Original Message----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 2:38 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy Why is he called black when what he is would be called a mulatto? Kevin On Nov 13, 2008, at 3:39 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Surprisingly, the N word is being widely used by Obama's supporters > as his positions are moving to the center of the political spectrum. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 13:44:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83386 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 21:44:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 21:44:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.221) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 21:44:06 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 21:44:05 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.73] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 21:44:05 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 21:44:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 739974.43776.bm@omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 16138 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 21:44:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.202.192 with plain) by smtp125.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 21:44:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uoCW7BcVM1lF_JdzEdiwIDrQIfiROCEN4G4o.tF3l13x313NvTcCoJ7dayAOqyWKInNCl_mREVKBpEt33_K5NMDU.hS9nc3jHPwEFbOuWko3Eu_Y1M6uXIyeExJgxKcrI4tYjtmqx5gRxPMelzRL4wHQ8DxKlC4UVb.wSBkTMHJHiPA0KZCBT3AkGQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <8CB13EEC4D729C3-D90-B3C@WEBMAIL-MB17.sysops.aol.com> References: <20081113.073900.16100.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> <8CB13EEC4D729C3-D90-B3C@WEBMAIL-MB17.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <412A0CD4-F9E1-4B5E-AF9E-B59B84B201FB@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:44:03 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.221 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=FJlxcX8uAtESiE5W7wN2KFFD3MDq9ERJkaAiCGcK3aOyES_PVw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 13, 2008, at 3:34 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Having flown med-evac during Vietnam, I found everyone is the same > color on the inside.? Trust me. Every human's blood is red. I saw that while serving my time for 10 years. I left as an E-6. Even the guys on the other side have red blood. I am glad that Obama won. I voted for him. I am glad enough white, latino and black people voted for him to put him in office. Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Nov 13 13:56:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51081 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 21:56:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 21:56:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 21:56:07 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bf3.4574cbdb (34893) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:55:57 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA012-5c59491ca267de; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:55:57 -0500 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MB17 (webmail-mb17.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.165]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA037-5c59491ca267de; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:55:51 -0500 References: <20081113.073900.16100.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:55:50 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 74.194.159.26 In-Reply-To: <20081113.073900.16100.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD X-Received: from 74.194.159.26 by WEBMAIL-MB17.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.165) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:55:50 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB13F1BA36F737-D90-CC3@WEBMAIL-MB17.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=EpKmSr6jSOSMxkAxenGwpZz2dQXoRuy0SPPsy3qVFHNL5FZRweRTRUJhKkTT9vxk X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Surprisingly, the N word is being widely used by Obama's supporters as his positions are moving to the center of the political spectrum. Savage (Michael Wiener) is hard to take. He lost his MSNBC show with an insensitive remark to a homosexual caller. TV is protective of gender choices for some reason. Several epochs ago, when I took Oral Communications, I learned that meaning can only exist in people.? Not ink stains on paper nor in 1's and 0's.? A word can mean one thing to one person and not another. Clearly, African Americans use the "N" word to refer not just to one another, but to ANYONE.? It is often not intended as pergorative the way it is when say a White Supremacist uses it.? What I find absolutely amazing is suburban white middle class teens who adopt the ghetto culture in language, manner, and dress.? It is a rich culture for certain,?just not theirs. Michael Savage may claim liberalism is a mental disorder, but if that were so, he would be a liberal.? I hope a responsible doctor properly medicates him before he hurts someone.? As for his views on gays, I refer you to Roy Cohn who made his career (if you call it that) out of seeking out and persecuting gays.? In reality, he was a flaming homosexual. The best argument against evolution is that Bay Area radio personality Don Rose was replaced by the likes of Michael Savage. Mike Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Nov 13 14:02:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90005 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 22:02:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 22:02:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 22:02:42 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d2e.2f72e470 (34916) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:02:31 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.152]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA031-5bc7491ca3f2323; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:02:30 -0500 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MB17 (webmail-mb17.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.165]) by smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB016-5bc7491ca3f2323; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:02:26 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:02:26 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 74.194.159.26 In-Reply-To: <656096.42192.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD X-Received: from 74.194.159.26 by WEBMAIL-MB17.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.165) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:02:26 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB13F2A5C9C990-D90-D40@WEBMAIL-MB17.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=QRwuQtjwWAIdDfDj1apMUhk5fvUxOwh-5R60yg3JMgv5FnBWNIglPB3JUzw-HBIa X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You shoulda heard Mike Gallagher today, he kept going on about Obama being black "yeah he's black thats what it is blah blah blah"? and so on.? I figure its only a matter of time before he slips up and actually uses the word he wants to say. It did wonders for Michael Richard's career. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 14:10:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40184 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 22:10:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 22:10:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.223) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 22:10:12 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 22:10:12 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.249] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 22:10:12 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 22:10:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 159443.1849.bm@omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 11413 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 22:10:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.202.192 with plain) by smtp127.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 22:10:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aWzgxAkVM1nyqjNDf4vxE5y.Zb_U2fjn94azkioC7Wtj_HpLwT1B7XiQ5DqJiElfnajGY6KJtV_8JQyaVBcn.bvanjPcw4scxgPwsYE40yIuOICC7ddsDT7.U1yKTGFw125X1jk5QC1nde9FdB6fMAgVofEibvV0aRZ_zUzXtc1lFw20zKDx9N4LWg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <8CB13F2A5C9C990-D90-D40@WEBMAIL-MB17.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB13F2A5C9C990-D90-D40@WEBMAIL-MB17.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9CCCA8A1-72AD-4138-8E5F-A8889291F19F@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:10:11 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.223 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Rw6I_UUbsnwhyzK922oj2fqFVXkQA61uPK1EwifC2lMzdru8Qw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 13, 2008, at 4:02 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > It did wonders for Michael Richard's career. Michael Richards? Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 14:15:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55493 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 22:15:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 22:15:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.222) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 22:15:16 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 22:15:15 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.70] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 22:15:15 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2008 22:15:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 824172.79671.bm@omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 59005 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 22:15:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.202.192 with plain) by smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 22:15:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hpfljUoVM1lTrKQ7hw9BPARacaLvlU.u3tTuxHzvxmjRpyMipUQyYD1N.Gs7eBNf9txiWSJZIXDnva_OOyZuG10dfe32MWO.mg24LpVMy2KuNcxIgDspRcXWwa477TxclEpMydjIBed7EU07262mlo6jc07Ld4_OohqD9XoMbNeKRIWtETDtXAXYiw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <9CCCA8A1-72AD-4138-8E5F-A8889291F19F@yahoo.com> References: <8CB13F2A5C9C990-D90-D40@WEBMAIL-MB17.sysops.aol.com> <9CCCA8A1-72AD-4138-8E5F-A8889291F19F@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:15:14 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=3eL_-Ezg60pDR-77hVf6KrTsxWMpGnNlQMVjKEprJpQYO9ZaeA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Oh yeah! Kramer on Seinfeld! Kevin On Nov 13, 2008, at 4:10 PM, kevin redding wrote: > > On Nov 13, 2008, at 4:02 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > >> It did wonders for Michael Richard's career. > > Michael Richards? From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Nov 13 14:21:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79173 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 22:21:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 22:21:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 22:21:11 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d29.35704208 (37553) for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:21:00 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB032-5bb3491ca845ae; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:21:00 -0500 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MB17 (webmail-mb17.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.165]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA022-5bb3491ca845ae; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:20:53 -0500 References: <20081112.154947.2984.1.w6yn@juno.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:20:53 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 74.194.159.26 In-Reply-To: <20081112.154947.2984.1.w6yn@juno.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD X-Received: from 74.194.159.26 by WEBMAIL-MB17.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.165) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:20:53 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB13F5392BAB2E-ABC-8E@WEBMAIL-MB17.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=cVJw-jG1BL8Ki0uFL1hkf_2eifCWUpstBIwuOfxudHPh_lUr4BwM-w1LivHXSp3V X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Surely I am not the only person in this group who is old enough to have actually worked in radio when the Fairness Doctrine was around.? It was not?onerous at all. In practical terms, if someone was attacked on the air, the station had to notify the individual and provide an on-air opportunity for the individual to respond.? First, the stations I worked for didn't make a practice of attaching people to being with.? The only instance I can recall when a Fairness Doctrine issue arose was when the morning drive guy made hay at the expense of a local politician who lacked a sense of humor.? It was clearly humor with no malicious intent.? However, the station honored the Doctrine and gave the guy time to respond which made him look all the more ridiculous. As I understood the Fairness Doctrine, which was embodied in Part 73, the individual station licensee had the responsibility for compliance.?? That is, if Rush attacked Obama, Pelosi, and Reid on his syndicated show, all 1000 stations would have to individually provide each with an opportunity to respond.? For free.? The latter is what rubs broadcasters the wrong way when it comes to the Fairness Doctrine. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Thu Nov 13 14:58:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50796 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 22:58:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 22:58:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 22:58:00 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail08.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.148]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABET3NG9A5SHTLS for (sender ); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:57:35 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD4ZDEThwgFcXPotNiFa0zUQ= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail08.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NZWP8U3Y; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:57:24 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.20] by webmail08.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:56:48 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:56:48 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081113.145648.10312.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 9:4:262693328 X-MAIL-INFO:5cb839313931cd99cd05b9cd75b9f50db1012d4c294c28e1192d1d41a921a549d94c99b83558484c587505e105b8b9587c28a89dd885055ca871880dace5ace5e96ce919fce9b1fc21a8986859e8f1e8658c615915c529c1095d1de86c0d78ec2ce8ecb1198c190dfcec7d6500793cbc9da89dadd8f5add8d1a8d8f87900f90199dc75bda55885c84935cdc18575587c4d5ccd5c11a9618d00cd75a938f8adf85c98a961c95948d5d861f89869e82ca1f8c1e815919c5d25a1251d4d0dac08d99569c5cc19790d796c7dcc08212945b9fc4c212d080819a52ca52d2d68cd2d1d39b83c3d5875cd75c9f931ed X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.148|webmail08.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=_qSglHk8yJIdj3zhyVQxVUpmkaXIFYWrz2O8AkviwQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Actually Obama is Half white and only 6.25% Black. An Arab white man disguised as a Black person is our new president! Barack Obama is 6.25% black American. He only has one black great-great-gra= ndmother on his father's side while the other 7 were Arab. That makes him 50% white, 43.75% Arab, and 6.25% black.=20 Obama could qualify as the first Arab-American president rather than the fi= rst black president. Under present law anyone may decide on their ethnic li= sting and change it at whim.=20 The most interesting thing about this is Obama's ancestors were not slaves = but slave traders. We have had slave holding family members as presidents in the past, but Oba= ma will be our first slave trader family member as president. Give the guy a break! Don=20 -- kevin redding wrote: Why is he called black when what he is would be called a mulatto? Kevin On Nov 13, 2008, at 3:39 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Surprisingly, the N word is being widely used by Obama's supporters=20=20 > as his positions are moving to the center of the political spectrum. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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(big_h00pla@75.120.202.192 with plain) by smtp119.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 23:08:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tBxcLDIVM1nTjdNySFSKLFBe6WMOPKN.VidS4HG85AIAHrQo4UR8fl_uokgMljINNZ8ACYn2mqRxbLJPg_HYEdDKpiUkNW.3kkGzV.qJ5PXAA96KayshLZiUdOOKK_yf4lDZUQhm0B1TAtxaBXGOvfsFXCNtBNQdpCqucw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081113.145648.10312.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> References: <20081113.145648.10312.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <97BBE0B0-595E-435A-9067-CA86FB1B0C23@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:08:12 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=_2fkYWvjas-QnubQUplYypKsoxsjeLtldmyiJZSQ8VJwFpQ7LQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 13, 2008, at 10:56 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > An Arab white man disguised as a Black person is our new president! Republican fear is showing here. Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Thu Nov 13 15:24:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36158 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2008 23:24:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2008 23:24:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2008 23:24:08 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail08.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.148]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABET3P2UAVPAS62 for (sender ); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:24:02 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD55KSxQCEBRAiMrwkdcmvAk= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail08.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NZWRRCQU; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:23:53 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.20] by webmail08.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:23:32 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:23:32 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081113.152332.10312.2@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:2815673624 X-MAIL-INFO:4865450c450c292129411d294c1d39b5e86c0d78ec782c08c50dd5e558ac19fced782165bd2d9d782d4c410841651d2d3c2c8149350041b881f511b5c989c989f1c1f1c515f1e815ac81b9a9a8d995d9a1887ca8dc38ec5c61f8d5d9c1b54d5979d959e8c588c5b515591ca1255db1a5498149e13539e135998135055d257d6c21314c55192d00bcfcbd295c004c2d3c18b829b8f9587ccc25294c587505e105b8b9587c28a89d69357c05b9ddd979c8055cd9dcd148f871c871d518b5c909ed85dd3868c55db55dc11c6809acec9c1d1578ac0d0909c51979190d0da9290dd54565b1012d4c294c287d0c8d X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.148|webmail08.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=ngCk_-eQFYLqdzkPYQBpgbb6OoV6OpbLZUxEYIlpuw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Why are you a pain in the ass? Because you consistently pull short snippets or sentences and then comment = with remarks that may or may not apply. Your action causes these threads to go on forever. If you have something to say - Say it. In context for a change. Throwing rocks over the fence every time someone makes a comment is not pro= ductive. It also shows little respect for your fellow posters. Don -- kevin redding wrote: On Nov 13, 2008, at 10:56 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > An Arab white man disguised as a Black person is our new president! Republican fear is showing here. Kevin ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Because you are ultra conservative. > Because you consistently pull short snippets or sentences and then > comment with remarks that may or may not apply. You sent the words. Do you not agree with what you sent? Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Thu Nov 13 16:00:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9084 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 00:00:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 00:00:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 00:00:48 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail08.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.148]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABET3R7JACF8S4A for (sender ); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:00:40 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD7QNM3z5ETCmJSQg6vLQHCI= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail08.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NZWTS33L; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:59:47 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.20] by webmail08.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:59:29 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:59:29 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081113.155929.10312.3@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 10:5:2762696312 X-MAIL-INFO:2e2d04b431700931b0ad80d1a570617d1d99f46de5a584c4 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.148|webmail08.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=VjmAw8VHSk7E_mlDrpf_QPi3FRAs8dUgiao43VpvXw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn My point was "Give the guy a break!" But you couldn't read that far before = you had to throw a rock. Calling fellow posters names is also quite juvenile. Don I wrote:=20 =20=20=09 Actually Obama is Half white and only 6.25% Black. An Arab white man disguised as a Black person is our new president! Barack Obama is 6.25% black American. He only has one black great-great-gra= ndmother on=20 his father's side while the other 7 were Arab. That makes him 50% white, 43.75% Arab, and 6.25% black.=20 Obama could qualify as the first Arab-American president rather than the fi= rst black=20 president. Under present law anyone may decide on their ethnic listing and = change it at=20 whim.=20 The most interesting thing about this is Obama's ancestors were not slaves = but slave=20 traders. We have had slave holding family members as presidents in the past, but Oba= ma will be our=20 first slave trader family member as president. Give the guy a break! Don=20 -- kevin redding wrote: On Nov 13, 2008, at 11:23 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Why are you a pain in the ass? Because you are ultra conservative. > Because you consistently pull short snippets or sentences and then=20=20 > comment with remarks that may or may not apply. You sent the words. Do you not agree with what you sent? 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(big_h00pla@75.120.202.192 with plain) by smtp127.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 00:31:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 68QkQY4VM1l6n_z8LsJQWmzJxkCoyLfEyfM.o_nSHlaLx4XuZphIcuKZTLjF.zs201RDV1aYeUkJR7vNeMS9Zo7DH99VgA84xhouf5u_LoOz5OzcRz3M7CNi9E8zgE9bNesJskWwrQusoKF51rpS5TL7tt0OqUQ19vfrtQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081113.155929.10312.3@webmail08.dca.untd.com> References: <20081113.155929.10312.3@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:31:24 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=WoJLK8gEwWqQP9L-KVRjYaGCNkqubZxvUePdepPS7DSHfyGqaA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 13, 2008, at 11:59 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > My point was "Give the guy a break!" But you couldn't read that far > before you had to throw a rock. > > An Arab white man disguised as a Black person is our new president! > > We have had slave holding family members as presidents in the past, > but Obama will be our > first slave trader family member as president. With statements like this, its giving him a break? More Republican fear. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 17:09:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9027 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 01:09:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 01:09:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 01:09:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98625 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2008 01:09:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XWsUl84VM1l2NUTAZZVrQMaFOK76okAVcTMzoTCjOXoKud2BY1yR1sPc5nMk78hOGxu0OoALXJmvbaQfCvUugykn4ePDdldVRuYL4KB2hiMkM9E08jbiVa0fb2TFrVMxgm4D8M2YdF2mb2bUVjvo2oza5_IVsL6WctxZojRvyW2AUSqeuVolzMtrBQ-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.113] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:09:08 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:09:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <846334.98320.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=d4mH7EWb9jF4mSwGHOtmQwKlPvMPf-LtQ9CMGF6_NNg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Should be=A0 media jobs in Jeopardy. The Fairness Doctrine is coming back, = have no doubt. Those Democrats in the Senate and Congress promised it. Prom= ised it repeatedly and gloated about it. It will be written specifically to= silence talk radio. But it will be a double edged sword.=20 Also discussed is changing radio station renewals to 2 years instead of 7 a= nd allowing anyone to challenge and take a license.=A0=A0=20 Get over it.=20 Also Obama said this when the screeching news furor over what puppy to get = his daughter, and they were demanding this breed and others. He said "I'm a= mutt so we are getting a mutf from a shelter. GOOD FOR HIM!=A0 Jolene my d= og is a mutt and I wouldn't trade her for any radio......=A0=A0 or anything= for that matter. She's a rescue and bonded to ME.=A0 If something happened= to me I don't what would happen to her. THAT is my real worry not all of t= his polictical crap.=20 Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Thu Nov 13 18:10:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13596 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 02:10:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 02:10:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 02:10:14 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail07.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.147]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABET3ZQXATPMUKA for (sender ); Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:09:25 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDwl60h8aF8hqtjBuvr0QG7Y= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail07.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NZW28C2L; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:09:22 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.20] by webmail07.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:08:25 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:08:25 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081113.180825.29238.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 9:4:3600827317 X-MAIL-INFO:063de1a1e1a1b0b5b0a450b0f950d5e92d454d35a935d1390c4db48df4118954c535b53d1d09643509f9a439a43d5009ddd134a58470a4d034e441e9d961d96104f0040c21042d211134cd51c9a005a000749dc90129a91959e0b4a0f0e94915c1a0152d0c740ce921150d0030259599a534a5d484d5d4849434845525303145b5b9f9f5890970fd541db01970f909dd90d0b0d014f49d2030b0f9f47d55d455d0cdf49d65c96469849d55cdada0c1e55519a00110c0e0bde5bdb490e9d9b1c56dad29750c25e925f00d75b111a981502135114db1b10c89c1894d4d51b04db4e13d959109f9b0f96531a124 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.147|webmail07.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=9GcWakhvg_7SwMFuAdGYcOlAtwCXeDU9AOZBfVmltw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn You just can't help yourself. I give up. -- kevin redding wrote: On Nov 13, 2008, at 11:59 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > My point was "Give the guy a break!" But you couldn't read that far=20=20 > before you had to throw a rock. > > An Arab white man disguised as a Black person is our new president! > > We have had slave holding family members as presidents in the past,=20=20 > but Obama will be our > first slave trader family member as president. With statements like this, its giving him a break? More Republican fear. Kevin ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 20:06:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6397 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 04:06:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 04:06:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.146) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 04:06:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 04:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 04:06:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:06:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20081113.180825.29238.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.68 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=UE-4lN8AmJPCKVqWkLF-4a_sDHkphBxV9-fkwxlzrV5W2xMnHw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury"=20 wrote: > > You just can't help yourself. >=20 > I give up. >=20 > -- kevin redding wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Nov 13, 2008, at 11:59 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: >=20 > > My point was "Give the guy a break!" But you couldn't read that=20 far=20=20 > > before you had to throw a rock. > > > > An Arab white man disguised as a Black person is our new=20 president! > > > > We have had slave holding family members as presidents in the=20 past,=20=20 > > but Obama will be our > > first slave trader family member as president. >=20 > With statements like this, its giving him a break? >=20 > More Republican fear. >=20 > Kevin >=20 >=20 Sorry guys, but I think this issue is so, so, so, so far of the=20 central point of this forum topic(s). I HATE THE RACISM!!! But I respect every racist because they are=20 humans too (and all human in the planet deserves our respect). However, WHAT'S A HELL ON THIS ISSUE IS RELATED WITH THE RADIO WORLD? There still are a lot of countries in the world with ZERO (0)=20 opinion liberty in their radios, BUT IT IS RADIO AT ALL!!! So, if=20 your "infamous" Fairness Doctrine back... What? The AM main radio=20 problem will still be the same with or without the Fairness Doctrine. So... please, gentlemen, let's try to focus in the radio world, ok? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 20:43:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78605 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 04:43:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 04:43:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 04:43:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9278 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2008 04:43:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zc2B.3AVM1mPROhmgGvvLLWHZatYysA00ZID2YlqpYg3ReUz9J2TTI6G8dWPjPW3yH_oYB4KnqAB33JgtGRRdWNjB52fuSjL55r7WRFBl5ZIHPFHmAHgId6PWlMM0XR9DmpgyIw0_lXaCZuvnbiCYnEwUYefjDymrh7Lx1jsAbgP2EkL8gOYk3RkMntj X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:43:13 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:43:13 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <967597.8817.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=VO7g3ITz7ZDxzHpvWOn26D5xYk5tqwT7HHNi28qhYU94dg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Si, Senor Kevin! Viva XERF! --- On Wed, 11/12/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 8:43 PM > On Nov 12, 2008, at 7:34 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Just for illustration, the two guys that wrote the > book "Border Radio" > > This is a fantastic book and I would recommend it to all to > read it. > > Kevin From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 13 22:28:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74807 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 06:28:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 06:28:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 06:28:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 91681 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2008 06:28:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ynl6SPAVM1nQYFxYfRCzo3mFhk9IRxXv8Ua1rpkNsBw3iia9HxalM3USBTDtoDRFnHJ3v.HMvkum6hfIWGyzA292aw_4CVs0UH3eFCAnBayHQfPAgRuyVP.GJ50dHWbXfes3M4FFvPYQAgyHD8ZUqW1bvkCtpq9OGobAaUY0prP71Is- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:28:18 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:28:18 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081113.072402.16100.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <178487.90931.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ml2xqAFYvvL-OTfeYF0NQrN1Zf37TY3t71XsZaARaGXwWVDu40YJ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Don --- On Thu, 11/13/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 10:24 AM You have a firm grip on reality.=20 I can't disagree with any of your comments. Good thinking! Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: I've long said this but yes you are right but also AM needs to have top gra= de sound with a good audio chain and perhaps stereo to do music justice.=A0= Even with the best technology AM doesn't come close to the clarity of othe= r modern sources.=A0 Now I do take exception with satellite because if you = ask me it doesn't really sound any better than CQUAM AM stereo.=A0 The bit = rate is way too low and it has no high end.=A0 You might capture a good aud= ience 35 and up but 30 and below you just wont capture people who are used = to Stereo sound as a standard and used to clean audio with some high end.= =A0 Ipods, CDs, etc are where it's at.=A0 It's not even with FM these days.= =A0 The younger generation doesn't want to hear what someone wants to play = for them, they want to hear what they want to when they want to.=A0 It's a = totally different generation and they are used to a different way and will = not change.=A0 As much as I love AM it will increasingly be hard for it to survive because many of the talk shows have moved over to FM.=A0 Our bigges= t one here WORD has moved over to FM.=A0 They are still simulcast on 950 an= d 1330 AM but for how long I don't know.=A0 Their coverage is great with th= e FM station or so I hear so why would they want to continue even fooling w= ith the AM side.=A0 The only thing that might save AM and I hate to admit t= his but it might be the HD thing.=A0 If they could get it to work properly = without interference, have stereo sound, and a high bit rate the audio coul= d be quite good with modern equipment.=A0 Yes I know that yester year equip= ment could do the same thing but AM has always has those frequency response= restrictions by the FCC so thats a dead horse there.=A0 Maybe it will have= a revival with HD but I'm wondering if radio as we know it will survive, e= ven FM.=A0 People are so "on the demand" now with their music and informati= on.=A0 Who is going to wait till the news comes on when they can type in CN= N or MSNBC and find it right then?=A0 Localism is dead and has been dead fore= ver on radio.=A0 They'd definitely have to revisit localism to even think o= f reviviing radio as we know it.=A0 They need good programmers too, people = who know that philadelphia freedom by Elton John just DOES NOT go with Baby= I need your lovin by the Four Tops.=A0 Nadda, nope no way!!!! It doesn't g= o together and anyone with any sense knows that yet you have so called oldi= es stations doing shit like that all the time.=A0 Oldies to me is what they= call golden oldies say 1956-1973 at most.=A0 When you start getting into t= he post 1973 era you start approaching that disco crap and that isnt oldies= in my book or most peoples book who listens to these stations.=A0 The form= ula for success is this.=A0 Good Music+Good DJ Talent+Localism+ Great Audio= , and a Great Programmer=3DSuccess in my book.=A0 Youd also need to throw g= ood coverage area in there.=A0 Put all those together and you have a fighti= ng chance.=A0 Thats just my opion and I don't work in radio, only have a degre= e in broadcasting! =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Wed, 11/12/08, mjgrant@aol. com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 3:54 PM Juan, The problem with AM is the same problem that faces all of "free" over the a= ir broadcasting. ? The oxygen, i.e. ad revenue, continues to be depleted at= an ever increasing rate.? There are two principal reasons for this.? One i= s competion with other media such as cable, satellite, and Internet for a s= hrinking amount of advertising dollars.? The second is severe fragmentation= of listenership. In the "old days", on could spend 10's of millions of dollars for a 50 kW c= lear channel station that could perhaps cover a major metroplex during the = day and sizeable region at night.? In addition to the upfront cost, the ope= rating overhead was tremendous.? Today, one can webcast to the world with m= inimal investment. What AM radio need is ORIGINAL PROGRAMMING that can command an audience tha= t is not otherwise better served by some other media.? We have the technolo= gy.? The heart and soul of this medium has always been ENTERTAINMENT. ? Som= ehow that has been lost as station owners have gone to cheaper and repetito= us programming. ? AM radio has had two Golden Eras.? One was pre-televison = when live music, melodramas, and quiz shows rules the airwaves.? The other = was Top 40 Radio.? What made Top 40 Radio?? Strong on-air personalities (re= ad: entertainers) .? Larry Lujack, Don Imus, Wolfman Jack, etc.? were the B= urns and Allen, Jack Benny, and Bob Hope of their day.? Let's face it, Talk= Radio wasn't and never will be radio's next Golden Era.? The roots of Talk= Radio aren't in the aforementioned eras but rather in Goebels, and I don't= mean Lonesome George.? Even Nazi era propaganda radio was more than the en= dless drone of the Third Reich talking points. The success of Talk Radio was due to it being CHEAP to produce. As I have mentioned many times, radio needs rebirth.? It can't be an attemp= t to resurrect some by-gone era whose time has come and gone.? Todd Storz d= idn't try to bring back radio dramas or quiz shows.? Neither can we bring b= ack The Wolfman or Don Rose, although the former I wish we could.? We need = something that has become ever-increasing rare and not just in radio.? A ne= w idea. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 1:38 pm Subject: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future HI GANG!!! Well, now the things are clear (Obama won) and I hope USA get in=20 into a new age of political visions. We could discuss about a lot of things about the Obama victory=20 but... at last, our problem will remain the same: WHAT ABOUT THE Amplitude Modulation PRESENT AND FUTURE!!! Regardless of the final system to use (AMS, IBOC, DRM or another=20 still unknown) the problem is how to capture the listeners and how=20 to keep them over the time. In this line, I insist about a whole change of the format. I vote=20 for the beautiful music, the golden classical music, the golden=20 1950s, 1960s and 1970s and... a little time to the news and sports. But, that's me. HOW TO CHANGE THE MIND OF THE USA BROADCASTERS? Somebody could say: But if this guy is from Chile, Why does he care=20 about the USA AM radio? Simple answer: CHILEAN PEOPLE OFTEN FOLLOWS THE USA CUSTOM, and I=20 don't know why. So... In other words, if there is some POSITIVE change in USA, then there=20 will be a change in Chile too. I hope some change. Do you? Just... crazy ideas from a crazy man. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Chile, South America, with love [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 13 22:28:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6035 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 06:28:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 06:28:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.59) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 06:28:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22152 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2008 06:28:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: REfVtQYVM1lDKEqvl.Bc1AVvnk8SBxI8hEcMF7oWqpummfxK1i_dXJIDrZKr_oFCwxBUV14.VykJyZW_RIr314jg4zJ0qGufes4ERrvcmLwm2vym_nI3DWts5JUbmZnLhSmUrsKIrFAiyZ1jwjqal4zR6rcC4YEyQr_j4Imf1__tOMk- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:28:55 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:28:55 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <967597.8817.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <230628.21995.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=78QBAu0eZGxUbY-w80aGd5qHblj_ldX3FpFUHOb7RIDcmYGtiA6z X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks George. --- On Thu, 11/13/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 11:43 PM Si, Senor Kevin! Viva XERF! --- On Wed, 11/12/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 8:43 PM > On Nov 12, 2008, at 7:34 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Just for illustration, the two guys that wrote the > book "Border Radio" > > This is a fantastic book and I would recommend it to all to > read it. > > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 13 22:35:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14077 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 06:35:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 06:35:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 06:35:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31187 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2008 06:35:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3orMvc8VM1mtS0hQJH15yajaJQ2PmpnB2pz1EGrc6.QwxhyMc8kTb7b.JBZ8gof6rC9SRLY_4nRb_gT0sDzon1BLYMFeO88R1zLfKhOTtx4wGoZgc2yBwXhXeKrg.SZlekvpW7C1qnNNcCgo4oglAgdlAlSKq.9Ip3rmboPde_JEnqo- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:35:19 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:35:19 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8066B00E-E1AE-4620-B302-42FAEFF0EB57@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <252406.28040.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=3E5IRLX4qsyRdNNTmHG8A0XzQYxTNQgPtS37v9l_T1LQgH-rgdCF X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well Mike Gallaghe is just an idiot in my book.=A0 I didn't really have any= respect for him to begin with but the day he mocked Bobby Kennedy Jr for h= is speech impediment, I lost what tiny fraction of respect I had for him at= all.=A0 That man is just plain mean spirited.=A0 He keeps on and on about = how Obama is black.=A0 He keeps making "black" the issue.=A0 It's just a ma= tter of time before he slips up and says what we all know he wants to say.= =A0 Now if he does you know what will happen, its predictable.=A0 He'll com= e on and cry and moan about how he isnt a racist and blah blah blah like ev= ery other republican and cry and buy his way out of it.=A0 Oh and you know = Rush and all the other radio cronies will take up for him.=A0 "Oh he didn't= really mean it".=A0 I'm so tired of people saying things only to go back a= nd say "well I didn't really mean to say that"=A0 BS!!=A0 You meant it or y= ou wouldn't have said it!=A0 It's amazing these idiots. =A0 --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 10:19 AM On Nov 12, 2008, at 10:15 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > You shoulda heard Mike Gallagher today, Remember, Gallagher used to be a Liberal. When he first came to=20 Greenville, he loaded up the WFBC Van with a bunch of protesters and=20 they all went out to the Sumter National Forest and chained themselves=20 to trees that were going to be logged. Also Rush's BOSS is Phil Donahue! Possum =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 13 22:38:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88665 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 06:38:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 06:38:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 06:38:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 64801 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2008 06:38:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8l1oPBsVM1mQPwGyse9KNqr2DIUh0gaAtDnmbfg4Y4TaXjYdJUUZc6w.unAQ9jP6._qanI5knS.Yck0QIzz7jwYeHZMW3P1nwBjBRzXUxq9wBlw01Q50iAKrQU_C9cHjeGmFvWQ1wHZGzzy49Kz9DbKVH95maJLZdv8oHwZ4C575tkA- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:38:20 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:38:20 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081113.073900.16100.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <21700.64477.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=7DnH4aYlhi8Sa_TTfwkq0ZUr9Ss9eWn-JkgTHCObewPVY7ctgEEw X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well you know thats what all those republican guys on the radio want to say= .=A0 They are so upset that a black man is going to be in the White House t= hat I swear that is exactly what they are thinking and want to say.=A0 They= are highly predictable.=A0 Just watch watch or listen to them.=A0 Someone = said it right, they all live in fear of people who are different than their= little limited greenhouse bubble allows.=A0=20 =A0 --- On Thu, 11/13/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 10:39 AM Surprisingly, the N word is being widely used by Obama's supporters as his = positions are moving to the center of the political spectrum.=20 Savage (Michael Wiener) is hard to take. He lost his MSNBC show with an ins= ensitive remark to a homosexual caller. TV is protective of gender choices = for some reason. Don -- clemskonbloke wrote: Oh i've never liked any of them.=A0 Of course it's entertaining to listen t= o some of the BS the spout.=A0 Savage is a hoot to listen to when he starts= getting all psycho and going off on people.=A0 I once heard him talking to= some guy on the phone and some woman in the background said something he d= idnt like and he said "you tell her I said she was a bitch"!=A0 I'll never = forget that, thats been years ago but he's been in trouble several times fo= r going off on people.=A0 Thats why he lost that gig with I believe MSNBC h= e once was going to have.=A0 Might have been FOX, I can't remember but he w= as going to have some TV gig and blew it.=A0 It is amazing the amount of fe= ar you hear in their voices these days.=A0 They've already called Obama eve= rything but the word that begins with N.=A0 You shoulda heard Mike Gallaghe= r today, he kept going on about Obama being black "yeah he's black thats wh= at it is blah blah blah"=A0 and so on.=A0 I figure its only a matter of tim= e before he slips up and actually uses the word he wants to say. =A0 -Kevin --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Juan Gualda wrote: From: Juan Gualda Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 9:02 PM --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > >=20 > On Nov 12, 2008, at 5:49 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: >=20 > > AM Jobs in Jeopardy: >=20 > I should have known. I thought you were going to say something about=20 > how all the media megacorps were laying off radio workers left and=20 > right like they are. >=20 > Kevin > Republican Right wing radio blowhards hate America..... They are already hoping the resession gets worse to make Obama look=20 bad....They hate America like the Terrorists do !!!!!!! Hannity, Limbaugh, Reagan, Savage and the rest HATE America ! Juan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 13 22:40:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21847 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 06:40:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 06:40:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 06:40:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 59089 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2008 06:40:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YuLd1QkVM1mq3NKl5eXdjIU.L2n2taP65baR0SHgW9SpRRMqPmvV05FmB4Voxzx0uI1we0rrxoDAt6uwyogBxR6wNT2XoEXHrI0xui1JpagXuanWHypdEa3a94uisXZTWwwxirTgkI6X3d9BOKZjdie7Wp_MZkq8brpc.1blKwHHc_A- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:40:22 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:40:22 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <910647.58972.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=S_CZ_a_0oJQqGh1lWLA86PiKqfmoDnuCKEfj-kZZnmuZmvZej2b_ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well I think once he's not able to go as far left as he'd like to that many= of his way left supporters will lose faith in him and say he isn't black e= nough.=A0 We've heard it all before.=A0 He'll have to lean more centrist or= the republicans will come back big in two=A0years.=A0 He has to be bi part= isan.=A0 Hmmm I bet some republicans think that "bi partisan" has some sort= of sexual connotation, LOL!!!=A0=20 =A0 --- On Thu, 11/13/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 3:38 PM Why is he called black when what he is would be called a mulatto? Kevin On Nov 13, 2008, at 3:39 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Surprisingly, the N word is being widely used by Obama's supporters=20 > as his positions are moving to the center of the political spectrum. =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 13 22:45:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37056 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 06:45:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 06:45:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 06:45:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37311 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2008 06:45:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vLOytWoVM1nRlOuqmfX7J_Mlu7sdn3.Sj7jGTCa8CfJM9bDlCScYjWIReFNZJCYwiayDBTr0IvXyvWtirtgZLsluMfsETyrx7RipXQLZrBmQ8uqMfKc_jlzjNAyZaeHfEo35ann7RuDgFh0auvTjv5zBa06Uusy0E8.w19Un6z0IaIQ- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:45:12 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:45:12 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB13EEC4D729C3-D90-B3C@WEBMAIL-MB17.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <669106.36672.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=6yodyNTgi6y7z18PPNkjAyo0tBawjNi2YFculTNYOsoih3SPhGVY X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable True but there is such a thing as race and ethnicity.=A0 I'm liberal but th= is politically correct bullshit has got too far out of hand these days.=A0 = I mean no offense but black folks need to decide what they are and stick wi= th it.=A0 The last time I checked I was still called white and caucasian on= most job forms.=A0 No offense to them but that is one issue I take.=A0 I m= ean they themselves have called themselves negro, black, colored, and now t= he current "african american".=A0 What is next?=A0 Obsidian?=A0 I mean ther= e comes a point to this political correctness where its just total BS in my= book and I'm a liberal.=A0 People have lost their common sense.=A0 Wake up= American , if it's white its white, if its black its black.=A0 It is what = it is!! --- On Thu, 11/13/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 4:34 PM Not being African American myself, I am not certain of the ediquette, but I= believe the term you use is considered inappropriate or offensive.?=20 I believe the science of race is something best left to the?Nazi era.? When= it came to race, they knew how to slice the salami pretty thin in terms of= classifying people. To be accurate, President Elect Obama is no more black than I am white.? My= Ebonite bowling black is black, which Mr. Obama clearly is not.? The sheet= s worn by Klansman are white, which I clearly am not. Having flown med-evac during Vietnam, I found everyone is the same color on= the inside.? Trust me. Mike -----Original Message----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 2:38 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy Why is he called black when what he is would be called a mulatto? Kevin On Nov 13, 2008, at 3:39 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Surprisingly, the N word is being widely used by Obama's supporters=20 > as his positions are moving to the center of the political spectrum. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 13 22:49:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3179 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 06:49:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 06:49:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 06:49:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87292 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2008 06:49:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HxpH77oVM1nz19zmErzSRqEHz7rXi3ABlhh6tQQfPTF4xzdXrZEDOj..CIN2kDMN7TkKKCw7ZZU3.pQyT1fnr8XtbSIjxOnEsuuI9MBmjqoBMpX33V3K3VqhHepoocXib1QMRalHEPk_2yoJknICgqdAe6hexKvbBJ4gCjysRSxfMtc- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:49:05 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:49:05 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB13F1BA36F737-D90-CC3@WEBMAIL-MB17.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <112550.87101.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=IOS6rW_9DpElMud4Pxhkoi3NI_HeCLAwca51KGuPVqCtg17yU4an X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah and we all know that Edgar J. Hoover liked men too!=A0 Boy there was a= real masterpiece.=A0 Rush Limbaugh.....another masterpiece.=A0 Now from wh= at I understand is that he doesnt even hold a college degree.=A0 If that is= so I don't even know what he's barking about.=A0 Maybe if he had a good li= beral arts education he'd see the world through a very different lens.=A0= =A0It definitely helps you look at things differently when you have been th= rough school.=A0 Like I say though this political correctness crap has gone= on way too long and is just pure BS in my book.=A0 Like I said it is what = it is. --- On Thu, 11/13/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 4:55 PM Surprisingly, the N word is being widely used by Obama's supporters as his = positions are moving to the center of the political spectrum.=20 Savage (Michael Wiener) is hard to take. He lost his MSNBC show with an ins= ensitive remark to a homosexual caller. TV is protective of gender choices = for some reason. Several epochs ago, when I took Oral Communications, I learned that meaning= can only exist in people.? Not ink stains on paper nor in 1's and 0's.? A = word can mean one thing to one person and not another. Clearly, African Americans use the "N" word to refer not just to one anothe= r, but to ANYONE.? It is often not intended as pergorative the way it is wh= en say a White Supremacist uses it.?=20 What I find absolutely amazing is suburban white middle class teens who ado= pt the ghetto culture in language, manner, and dress.? It is a rich culture= for certain,?just not theirs. Michael Savage may claim liberalism is a mental disorder, but if that were = so, he would be a liberal.? I hope a responsible doctor properly medicates = him before he hurts someone.? As for his views on gays, I refer you to Roy = Cohn who made his career (if you call it that) out of seeking out and perse= cuting gays.? In reality, he was a flaming homosexual. The best argument against evolution is that Bay Area radio personality Don = Rose was replaced by the likes of Michael Savage. Mike Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]